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Come fall, I'd like to work on getting our lawn in better shape. It is quite thin and is being invaded more and more with crabgrass.
My plan is to overseed this fall and then apply corn gluten meal in the spring. My question is, should I apply compost before I overseed or would just putting down soybean meal work? Our current soil is low in organic matter and is very sandy, so I imagine that compost would be the best, but at 12,000 square feet, that is a lot of compost! (assuming 1 yard per 1000 square feet). Soybean meal would be easier as I could do maybe 150 pounds worth but that's obviously not that much organic matter, so would that not really help much? I'm not looking for a perfect lawn, just one that is more filled in and not thin. |
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Compost would be the best as well as Leaf mold, shredded leaves, the grass clippings, about any finely shredded organic matter you can get, preferably for free. Most all soybeans grown today are the genetically engineered ones so soybean meal may not be something you would want to consider. |
- Posted by dchall_san_antonio 8 San Antonio (My Page) on Sat, Jul 2, 11 at 22:05
My soil is not sandy but the soil I bring in is pure sand. I much prefer that to the cloddy topsoil we can get here. The best part of my back yard is 4 inches deep in pure, white sand. But when you cut into it, it looks charcoal black from years of organic care. I wanted to test it to see if the composition had changed, so I performed the soil test that kimmsr recommends. All the white sand fell straight to the bottom of the jar while the black organic material floated on the surface. There was nothing in the middle and the water was clear. Yes, my soil is sand. This is a relatively good year for soy beans. 12 yards of compost in my area, delivered, would cost about $500 or $40 per 1,000 square feet. The local price of soybean meal varies (as with compost) but in my neighborhood it is $15 for 50-pounds. At an application rate of 30 pounds per 1,000 square feet, the amount of soy would be 360 pounds costing $108 or $9 per 1,000 square feet. For roughly the same cost as the compost I could apply soy 5 times. The value of soy comes from feeding the soil microbes. The value of compost comes from providing microbes. If you provide microbes and then do not feed them, then you have done nothing much more than mulch the ground. My strong preference is to feed the microbes you have, allow them to populate the soil, and benefit from their organic presence in the soil. |
If you know little to nothing about genetic engineering and the problems that creates then you probably will not mind polluting the environment further by using products that have been genetically engineered. It may in fqct be too late to stop the pollution of this experiment because many of the source seeds are being contaminated with the genes that were never supposed to escape into the environment. The problem is we have no idea what these genes might do, or are doing since no one has really looked at the long term affects they could make. |
I don't understand how my using soybean meal pollutes the environment. I don't think these dangerous genes are somehow escaping from the ground beans. Am I supposed to boycott soybean meal simply as a form of protest? |
- Posted by kingscreek 9b (My Page) on Tue, Jul 5, 11 at 17:38
Good grief, yesterday I was reading a book Teaming with Microbes, The Organic Gardener's Guide to the Soil Food Web and I came to this group to see if anyone else had read it. I haven't done a search yet, but saw this posting. In the book, they actually recommend using soybean meal(along with other things of course)on lawns, so I assume there is a divergence of opinion on this subject. Frankly, I am totally confused. This is a very complicated subject to understand if you do not have a degree in this subject, but hopefully everyone remembers that we are all trying to accomplish the same thing and I can't believe anyone on this forum is sitting around twirling their mustache, wondering how they can next pollute the environment. |
Many people are unaware that most of the soybeans are genetically engineered or even that much of our food is genetically engineered today. Since the only way to end the growing of that kind of crop is to not buy it that is the choice you need to make. The genes introduced into those crops were not supposed to migrate to non genetically engineered crops but they did. Will spreading that material on your lawn cause further spread of those genes? No one knows because no one is looking to see if that will happen. |
If Wikipedia can be believed, 93% of soy beans, 86% of corn, and 93% of cotton produced in the US is genetically modified. Every organic gardener in the US could participate in the boycott and we wouldn't put a dent in the statistics. Perhaps genetic engineering is wrong, I don't know. For the purposes of this thread, I'm willing to assume that it's a horrible threat to our civilization. What I do know is that I'm powerless to stop it. I also know that I have no idea where to buy non genetically modified cattle feed. So, I have two options. I can use the soybean, corn, and cottonseed meal that I find at the local feed store or I can go back to my chemical program. Which is the lesser of the two evils? |
We are not powerless to stop the spread of genetically engineered organisms, unless we give up. People in other parts of the world have done so. An article in the current issue, August/September 2011, of Organic Gardening Magazine recounts just such an effort in India. "Food at the Frontline, A Conversation with Vandana Shiva, Ph.D" on page 76 may give some of us some insight. |
- Posted by dchall_san_antonio 8 San Antonio (My Page) on Sat, Jul 23, 11 at 21:32
So, I have two options. I can use the soybean, corn, and cottonseed meal that I find at the local feed store or I can go back to my chemical program. Which is the lesser of the two evils? I believe anyone who wants to can define themselves out of an organic program. If you believe that using non organic seed to grow corn is a violation of organicity (?), then don't do it. Personally I am looking more specifically for the protein and carbohydrates that come from food and CANNOT BE FOUND in a chemical program. If you want a green lawn without chemical hassles, then just use what you can find at the feed store. |
- Posted by silver8ack none (My Page) on Sat, Sep 17, 11 at 20:30
Dang kimmsr. All I ever read from your posts is some condescending remark about what someone is trying to do. You tell people that in order to have a weed free lawn, you need to have a lush, thick lawn. Duh. Now ppl are going organic and adding grain to their lawn and you want to kill them for that too? How about telling ppl what they should be doing(besides your copy/paste) soil test because that doesn't help people IMPROVE anything). Don't tell people to do a soil test and put it in a jar if you aren't willing to help them once they find the results and just choose to kill them for using organic materials. |
- Posted by silver8ack none (My Page) on Sat, Sep 17, 11 at 20:53
By the way... I sprayed round up on 6,000 sq ft this fall, dropped starter fert, and tons of Milorganite all in a matter of about 6 weeks. My new lawn is looking pretty lush. Peace. |
Silver8ack wrote: Dang kimmsr. All I ever read from your posts is some condescending remark about what someone is trying to do. You tell people that in order to have a weed free lawn, you need to have a lush, thick lawn. Duh. Now ppl are going organic and adding grain to their lawn and you want to kill them for that too? How about telling ppl what they should be doing(besides your copy/paste) soil test because that doesn't help people IMPROVE anything). Don't tell people to do a soil test and put it in a jar if you aren't willing to help them once they find the results and just choose to kill them for using organic materials. Oh, I think Kimmsr's posts are valuable and helpful. I enjoy reading them. But Silver8ack, good luck with your new lawn. It sounds like you're doing a good job making it a lush, appealing green space. I noticed you mentioned you applied a whole lot of Milorganite, which is a brandname (I think) for "biosolids," a.k.a. treated sewer sludge. I'm no expert, though--just a novice--so maybe Milorganite and biosolids are different things. Paul Tukey, author of the "Organic Lawn Care Manual," has used treated sewer sludge in the past, but nowadays he writes that he has reservations about biosolids: [Quote] "In the community of certified organic gardening, biosolids and their by-products are not allowed. Regulations adopted by the federal government in 2002 specifically eliminate biosolids along with genetic engineering and irradiation as components of any food and fertilizers labeled organic." By the way, this probably explains why David Mellor's "Lawn Bible" lists sewer sludge as "organic." His book was published in 2002 or 2003, just as the government classified sewer sludge / biosolids as Not Organic. It sounds like he wrote his copy just before the feds came down with their decision. Writing more recently in 2006, Tukey says the EPA still "steadfastly approves of biosolid fertilizers as a dramatic improvement on past practices and has lobbied to have many forms of biosolids delcared organic."[End quote] So the goverment has more than one head. Maybe the EPA had a lot of Bush appointees? Remember that TV commercial back then with the little boy talking to his mother and asking with a smile, "Can I have more arsenic in my water mommy?" Hard to forget that commercial [chuckle] Tukey writes: Ellen Z. Harrison, director of Cornell University's Waste Management Institute, says, "Many of these other materials never, ever break down. I don't feel enough testing has been done. Very little data exists about the long-term effects of biosolids and land treatment." She continues, "I have not personally tried them on lawns, but I can see where biosolid composts could make your lawn grow well," she says. "If I were near retirement age, maybe I would put it on my lawn. If I had young children crawling around on the lawn who would be far more susceptible to potential contaminants, I would have a different view." There's more about treated sewer slude in this thread: |
Interestingly, I just learned that Tukey's web site www.SafeLawns.ORG has as one of its sponsors Milorganite. The Milorganite ad banner on Tukey's SafeLawns.ORG site links to www.Milorganite.com In the interests of presenting all sides, here's what the Milorganite.com web site has to say: [Quote] ======== These EPA regulations define the use of biosolids as a fertilizer at two distinct tiers. The first tier is using biosolids as a fertilizer on non-food crops (lawns, grain fields, and the like). The second tier is the so-called Exceptional Quality or EQ definition. This allows biosolids that contain exceptionally low amounts of heavy metals and pathogens to be used on food crops such as vegetable gardens, fruit trees and similar locations." "All fertilizers, both organic and synthetic, contain some heavy metals. In fact, plants need some heavy metals, such as zinc and copper and molybdenum, for normal, healthy growth." Zinc, copper, and molybdenum aren't the only heavy metals in exsitence. Some other heavy metals are lead, mercury, and nickel. I don't know if plants need these. I wonder if all fertilizers contain some amounts of PCBs? Anyone know? Anyway, so you can make up your own mind, you can read more about what the Milorganite web site has to say about safety at: www.milorganite.com/about/safety.cfm Does anyone use Milorganite in their vegetable garden? |
Without question Milorganite is biosolids, treated sewage. Some years ago, when Milwaukee had some of its industries sending all of their waste into Milwaukees waste stream, untreated, Milorganite was found to contain high levels of many heavy metals that made it really unuseable, anywhere. That can still happen in some biosolid treatment plants although Milwaukee now requires industrial plants to pre treat the waste they send out to remove these contaminants. That the organic standards allow the use of grains contaminated by Genetic Engineering but not biosoilids free of contaminants says more about the failure of the people setting those standards then about what is allowed to be a "certified organic" grower. Silver8ack apparently does not quite get that I try to get people to think, rather then simply accept what they see written here. If what I write causes much discussion I have succeeded. |
Kimmsr, thank you for your always thought-provoking comments. Are you saying you feel comfortable enough with Milorganite today that you wouldn't hesitate to use it on your lawn? What about the higher EQ standard? Is it safe enough for vegetable gardens? Also, how about *Organic Fertilizers* like alfalfa meal pellets, soybean meal, and corn gluten meal? Wouldn't they have lower levels (or possibly near non-existent levels) of heavy metals like lead and mercury than even the EQ standard of Milorganite? |
Kimmsr, help me with this statement and connect some dots for me. "Some years ago, when Milwaukee had some of its industries sending all of their waste into Milwaukees waste stream, untreated, Milorganite was found to contain high levels of many heavy metals that made it really unuseable, anywhere." So industries sending "untreated" "waste" into Milwaukees "waste stream" somehow led to the discovery that Milorganite, treated at their biosolid treatment plant, contained many heavy metals that made Milorganite "really unuseable". Finding heavy metals in the waste stream was the impetus to check the content of Milorganite? Really? |
Some research on the web about Milorganite provided me with what I know about the stuff. What I found was that as the breweries slowed production battery manufacturers started to add their waste to the stream and that waste had heavy metals in it that caused contamination, to the point that it could be unsafe. The Milwaukee Sewerage Authority required industries to pretreat their waste, removing those heavy metals, just as many other similar operations require industries to do in other areas of the world. I have seen many people post much misinformation over the years often simply repeating information that cannot be supported such as Milorganite causes ALS, Lou Gehrigs Disease. I would encourage you to do your own research, providing you rely on good information and not other misinformation. |
Here's a link to a page from Cornell University's Waste Management Institute about Milorganite: In that link, there is this passage: [Quote] "Can it be used on food crops? "What are the chemicals of concern? Organic Chemicals: Milorganite is tested for There's more info in the Cornel U. link shown above. |
Here's an interesting article written by Don Behm of the Journal Sentinel newspaper in Milwaukee. Here's a link to the newspaper article which was just published in October of this year: http://www.jsonline.com/news/milwaukee/mmsd-may-give-away-surplus-milorganite-131179293.html I highlighted some particularly interesting points in the article below. [Quote] Sales of bagged Milorganite are not keeping pace with round-the-clock production, so the Milwaukee Metropolitan Sewerage District [MMSD] is proposing to give up to 10,000 tons of surplus fertilizer free to farmers this year, under a contract to be considered this month by the district's commission. The contract would enable the district to distribute up to 10,000 tons of bulk granular fertilizer free to farmers in each of the next two years if needed to reduce unsold stockpiles, said Jeff Spence, Milorganite sales and marketing director at the district. Spence said his goal is to sell the extra 10,000 tons and eliminate future giveaways. Veolia Water Milwaukee LLC, private operator of the district's sewage treatment plants, regional sewers, deep tunnels and Milorganite factory, would be paid up to $297,000 over the three years to manage the program, under the proposal. Though MMSD forecasts retail sales of 36,000 tons of bagged Milorganite in 2011, the district will produce around 49,000 tons of the heat-dried sludge fertilizer this year in its factory at the Jones Island sewage treatment plant, Spence said. Giving away 10,000 tons would free up storage space inside silos on Jones Island. "We can't stop producing it," Spence said. A never-ending load of sewage sludge - made up of protozoa and bacteria that digest nutrients in sewage - is removed daily from the end of the Jones Island treatment process. After water is squeezed out of the musky-smelling sludge, it is dried to make Milorganite, an 85-year-old brand. Dryer temperatures of 840 degrees to 1,200 degrees kill any pathogens in the sludge. Milorganite is sold in bags to homeowners, golf course managers and lawn care companies. The district's 2011 budget forecasts $7.7 million in revenue from sales. There has been growth in retail sales in Canada, Spence said. Even so, MMSD has not succeeded in developing wholly new markets for its organic fertilizer. One company had considered burning the dried sludge to generate electricity but that did not work out, Spence said. A request to market Milorganite as a deer repellent that could be used on flowers and shrubs died within the federal regulatory bureaucracy nearly three years ago. In recent years MMSD has been giving away bulk fertilizer to Milwaukee County parks and school districts, but they do not need enough of it to significantly dent the surplus. Until new markets come along, the district is looking for additional opportunities to give Milorganite away in bulk that would not conflict with its retail customers, Spence said. MMSD opted for agricultural use to help empty out the silos. MMSD Executive Director Kevin Shafer started the program earlier this year when he authorized spending no more than $99,056 in 2011 to distribute bulk Milorganite to farmers. Veolia Water subcontracted with Veolia Environmental Services to find farms and apply the fertilizer. The proposed contract amount of no more than $297,000 will pay for additional distribution this year and in 2012 and 2013, if necessary, Spence said. Cost to the district will not exceed $13.20 per ton. Landfill disposal would cost the district around $40 a ton, according to Spence. Farmers can take advantage of the nitrogen in Milorganite, said Earl Wilhelm, manager of the program for Veolia Environmental Services. One Ozaukee County farmer applied 1,600 tons to fields this year and is willing to spread all that is available on other fields in Ozaukee and Sheboygan counties after corn is harvested this month, Wilhelm said. The farmer would get 8,400 more tons to meet the district's 2011 goal. No other farms are needed this year." [End of Quote] Again, here's a link to the Journal Sentinel newspaper: http://www.jsonline.com/news/milwaukee/mmsd-may-give-away-surplus-milorganite-131179293.html |
Milorganite has a Facebook page at http://www.facebook.com/pages/Milorganite-Fertilizer/178282097561 Customers writing there on Facebook are very enthusiastic about the Milorganite they used on their lawns. Wow, the Milorganite bags really are attractive, too. |
Here is an old discussion about Milorganite. http://forums2.gardenweb.com/forums/load/organic/msg0212553523594.html |
Here's a link to an older thread about Milorganite on the GardenWeb.com site from 2005: http://forums2.gardenweb.com/forums/load/organic/msg0907595023380.html I found the following posting by "Username_5" in that older thread particular interesting, but I don't know if Username_5 is accurate or not about Milwaukee's rain water system and sewage system being the same system. Username_5 wrote the following about Milorganite and Milwaukee's Sewage District operations: [Quote]: Seems like a much better solution than what Milwaukee does everytime it rains which is dump the raw sewage into lake Michigan.(Milwaukee's rain water system is one and the same with their sewage system so rainwater exceeds their storage/processing capacity). Maybe by selling Milorganite they can eventually afford to seperate the two systems. |
Thanks Grassboro. That was a seriously good link. I just now saw it. |
Since those of us on the eastern shore of Lake Michigan have benfetied from Milwaukees linked storm and sewage system several times over the years and have cleaned up our beaches when deluges of rain have overwhelmed that system. It once was common for storm water systems and sewage systems to be linked, Lansing, Portage, Grand Rapids, and some other cities along the Grand River still periodically dump untreated sewage into the Grand River when torrential rains cause those systems to be overwhelmed. They are supposed to be fixing that so the storm water is kept seperate from sewage. Some people utilize really old information to support their position. |
Wow, this is a sobering article from 2008 whose link I'll paste from the other thread: http://www.physorg.com/news120927003.html Very informative article that extensively quotes Anthony G. Hay, Cornell associate professor of microbiology and director of Cornell's Institute for Comparative and Environmental Toxicology. This guy knows a whole lotta stuff about sewage sludge / biosolids used on lawns and farms. |
As critical as the above article is on biosolids being used as lawn and farn fertilizers, the following article from 2010 is devastating, I think. Of course, I'm just a novice, not an expert. Researchers at Arizona State University, including one named Halden, studied biosolids very recently. [Quote]: "As Halden explains, certain classes of chemicals possess physical characteristics that make them likelier to resist breakdown during wastewater treatment. Of particular concern are hydrophobic organic chemicals. As their name implies, such chemicals are 'afraid' of water and preferentially attach themselves to particulate matter, thereby becoming part of the primary and secondary sludge. This characteristic trait limits the availability of hydrophobic chemicals to aerobic and anaerobic microorganisms during sewage treatment and sludge digestion. Rather than being broken down, such chemicals can become enriched in municipal biosolids by several orders of magnitude. Through this process, substances in heavy usage, like HPV chemicals, can accumulate as pollutants in municipal sludge to parts per million (ppm) concentrations. "It's like vacuum cleaning your home," says Halden. "When the carpet is clean, the vacuum bag holds a concentrated burden of dirt. By anology, the generation of biosolids enriched in non-biodegradable pollutants are the price you pay when purifying domestic sewage for water reuse." Here's a link to the full article that's worth reading: http://www.physorg.com/news/2010-12-long-lasting-chemicals-threaten-environment-human.html |
I don't know if this is accurate, but here's a quote from this page at: "Milwaukee, WI. (2007). City spent over $4 ======== Here's a very easy to understand article from http://www.foodsafetynews.com/2010/10/sewage-sludge-as-fertilizer-safe/ |
Holy expletive. The Center for Media and Democracy has this to say about the U.S. Composting Council (USCC): [Here's the link]: [Quote]: [End of quote] Further down the page in the link above, the Center says this: [Quote]: "USCC Behind 'Compost Awareness Week' "In April 2010, the U.S. Composting Council sent a letter of support to the San Francisco Public Utilities Commission in favor of its sewage sludge compost giveaway program.[3] In the letter, the U.S. Composting Council says sewage sludge composts "provide many benefits while being safe for use." ======== "Seal of Testing Assurance (STA) One of USCC's main programs is its Seal of Testing Assurance (STA) for compost products.[4] The STA program, developed in 2000, requires regular testing of compost products by "certified" labs. The testing is relatively minimal and the standards are designed to allow for certification of products containing sewage sludge." [End of quote] Now the last sentence above unnerved me, because a local St. Louis company from which I intend to buy 3 cubic yards of compost later this Spring promotes on their web site that they are STA-certified. On the phone, the local St. Louis company (which I will NOT name here) says they do NOT use treated sewage sludge (aka "biosolids") in their compost. I sure hope that's true, or I'll have to find another source of compost this spring. |
The link supplied makes a reference to spreading biosolids in Orange County, North Carolina. This is where I have lived all my life, Chapel Hill/Carrboro, NC. Now for those that do not know, Chapel Hill and Carrboro NC (largest populated area of Orange county) is the mecca of tree hugging ultra-liberals in the South. For example, when George McGovern ran for president only one county in all of the states south of the Mason Dixon line voted for him. That county was Orange county. I cannot begin to tell you how well educated (UNC, Duke) and ultra-liberal in all things this area is. Now if OWASA (http://www.owasa.org/whatwedo/biosolids.aspx) is cool with spreading biosolids in this area then the debate is over and done for me. At least as it relates to this area. "OWASA recognizes that some uncertainty still exists about the effects of certain biosolids constituents. We support further study to determine these impacts. However, OWASA also firmly believes that recycling biosolids through a properly managed program in strict compliance with State and Federal permit requirements is a safe, cost effective, and environmentally responsible way of managing this inevitable by-product of the community." Key phrases for me are "properly managed program in strict compliance" and "inevitable by-product of the community". |
Well, like I said, I don't think this is a liberal or conservative issue. Last I checked both conservatives and liberals are humans :-) You mentioned the Mason Dixon Line, so let me say that it's amazing to me that one of the greatest presidents America has ever had (Bill Clinton) was followed by one of the worst: George Bush :-) Just like this isn't a liberal-conservative issue, I don't think it's a North-South issue. Clinton and Bush are both from south of the Mason Dixon Line, I think. Shucks, I really don't even know where the line is. Missouri is a melting pot of South and North :-) Lots of southerners and northerners both live in Missouri. |
I hope you don't mind me adding that my favorite candidate for 2012 is Texas Republican Ron Paul. My second favorite is Democrat Barrack Obama. If the Republicans don't nominate Ron Paul, I'll vote for Obama. Maybe sewage sludge applied to lawns and farms should became a presidential campaign issue. |
From August 2010: http://sfpublicpress.org/news/2010-08/test-results-of-city-sludge-dont-satisfy-critics "In Kern County, [California's] breadbasket, a county ban on the land application of processed sewage sludge from Los Angeles was upheld by the U.S. Ninth District Court in a precedent-setting case. (The U.S. Supreme Court refused to take Los Angeles' appeal in June.) Inadequate and outdated Meanwhile, communities like San Francisco that have permitted its use have been doing so under federal regulations. Some independent experts, however, say that the U.S. Environment Protection Agency's regulatory rule, to which San Francisco is abiding, is inadequate and outdated. Nor do the testing requirements take into account a host of emerging chemicals of concern that have been introduced into the environment in higher concentrations over time, like endocrine-disrupting flame retardants, phthalates and the antibacterial agent triclosan. McBride said part of the problem with processed sewage sludge is that you cannot separate out the bad chemicals from those that have value, like nitrogen and phosphorus." |
Grassboro wrote: > ....when George McGovern ran for president only one county in all of the states south of the Mason Dixon line voted for him. I don't think McGovern's loss in 1972 was a South-North issue. Wikipedia says McGovern won only one state in the country in 1972: Massachussetts :-) Let's try to stay on topic :-) Also from the sfPublicPress.org: In 2009, the EPA released an updated national survey of the sewage sludge emanating from 80 of the country's 3,500 public wastewater treatment plants. It found what opponents had feared: flame retardants in all but one sample, pharmaceutical residues in more than half and 27 metals in virtually all samples. Antimony, a toxic metal that affects humans in ways similar to arsenic poisoning, was found in a majority of samples. One aspect of the study that stood out to McBride was the variations in chemical concentrations and heavy metals across samples. That means an individual's exposure could be really high, he said. "An individual who picks this stuff up, they're applying this on rather small gardens at high rates of application. These are levels that amount to 50 to 300 tons per acre equivalent," McBride said. Such concentrations are far beyond what would be allowed on farmland because of restrictions governing runoff in the Clean Water Act." [End of quote] Now for some really hard-hitting points: [Quote]: A growing body of evidence is now showing that flame retardants disrupt the nervous system, especially problematic in the developing bodies of fetuses and infants. In 2005, the EPA initiated a phase-out of some types of flame retardants present in furniture, mattresses and other items in the home after a decade of data showed that the chemicals were accumulating in breast milk. Although individual sources of exposure may be small, Hale said the accumulation of chemicals like flame retardants from dust in homes, gardens spread with biosolids and food would be significant. Flame retardants take an eternity to degrade, Hale said. "You can hit substantial levels in soil when you apply it multiple times. The second time you apply you just double it," he said. "They assumed that everything but the heavy metals broke down. That's a naive viewpoint." |
ZoysiaSod, I see my attempt at trying to describe the environmental climate here in Orange county NC did not work for you. I only used the "ultra-liberal" description (with the McGovern election information as evidence) and the concentration of universities here as an attempt to convey the point that the vast majority of the population here would be all over and against the use of biosolids if there was even the smallest chance that this use was not a relatively safe and acceptable. I had no intention for someone to extrapolated my example to politics, North-South, etc. I guess one may have to live here to fully appreciate my example and point. As to staying on topic, in three of your last four post you not only mention politics but offer your opinion about it. |
- Posted by dchall_san_antonio 8 San Antonio (My Page) on Sat, Dec 31, 11 at 18:04
Poor Darknova (the OP on this topic). He set it up so he would receive emails when people reply to his question. Now he has an inbox full of off topic junk mail. I'm not a GardenWeb moderator, but I am a mod on other forums. I've seen online forums (not just gardening) come and go. One of the fastest ways to generate forum apathy and even anger is to allow topics to switch issues in mid stream. If the topic drifts to health issues, politics, or religion, it just goes downhill faster. If you want to maintain any kind of integrity in the Organic Lawn Forum, this discussion about politics needs to end. GardenWeb already has forums for topics like this. I would also suggest starting a new topic on Milorganite if you want to discuss that. Before you start a new one in this forum, note that the topic has been beaten to death in other forums. |
Umm, I checked the other threads. Lots of new information about Milorganite was presented in this thread. But I agree with you that the political talk has got to end. |
- Posted by dchall_san_antonio 8 San Antonio (My Page) on Sat, Dec 31, 11 at 19:42
Nobody will come to this thread looking for Milorganite information because Milorganite is not in the title. Someone doing a search for the word would find this thread but they might be distracted by the actual content up front. |
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Ukrainian-American Day Festival to be held Sunday
BY: Mia Summerson | August 20, 2013
CHEEKOTWAGA - The annual Ukrainian-American Day Festival, which is organized by the Buffalo chapter of the Ukrainian Congress Committee of America, will be held on Sunday.
This year however is not just a celebration of the Ukrainian culture here in Western New York, but also a commemoration of the 22nd anniversary of when the Ukraine officially gained its independence from Soviet Russia.
Thought the festival is on Aug. 25, the Ukrainian Parliament officially declared its independence on Aug. 24, 1991, according to President of the Buffalo Chapter of the Ukrainian Congress Committee, Andrew Diakun.
"There's going to be a dance group from St. Catherines, Ontario," Diakun said. "There's also going to be Ukrainian music, including an orchestra from Niagara Falls, Ontario."
Others involved with the festival say there will be oil paintings from local artists featured and several different types of typical Ukrainian foods such as varenyky which is comparable to a Polish pierogie, holuptsi, a stuffed cabbage roll and kovbasa, a Ukrainian smoked sausage and beef and pork kabobs. There will also be many Ukrainian deserts.
There is a large population of Ukrainians in the Buffalo area, especially in suburbs like Cheektowaga, West Seneca and Amherst.
There was a large migration of Ukrainians to this area following World War II seeking better lives and employment opportunities. Many of them found work at Bethlehem Steel, the Ford Plant in Hamburg or the old Chevrolet, which is now known as General Motors.
"After World War II many came to the U.S. because they didn't want to return to Soviet Russia," Diakun said.
The Ukraine originally declared independence when Soviet Russia began to crumble in late 1989, early 1990, and was finalized a year later.
The Ukrainian Congress Committee of America is both an educational and a charitable institution. It's mission is to support cultural, educational and humanitarian efforts in the States.
According to Diakun, many people attend the event each year and everyone is welcome, not just members of the Ukrainian community.
"People are getting information about a new culture," he said. "It's good food and good rimes. It's not only a celebration of culture, but also of independence."
"It's fun," said a source that involved with the festival. "I think its wonderful to celebrate other cultures and other people."
The festival will be held from 1 to 8 p.m. on Sunday at the "Dnipro" Ukrainian Cultural Center at 562 Genesee Street.
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Troy Polamalu: I've hid concussions Updated: July 18, 2012, 3:58 PM ET ESPN.com news services http://espn.go.com/los-angeles/nfl/s...ed-concussions With the NFL set to face scores of concussion-related lawsuits from thousands of former players, Pittsburgh Steelers safety Troy Polamalu admitted Wednesday that he's lied about head injuries in the past in order to remain on the field. Polamalu When you get your bell rung they consider that a concussion -- I wouldn't ... If that is considered a concussion, I'd say any football player at least records 50 to 100 concussions a year. -- Steelers safety Troy Polamalu "Yes, I have, for sure," Polamalu told the Dan Patrick Show, also noting that he has chosen to continue playing injured in games when the team's medical staff would tell him not to. Polamalu said he didn't tell any "major lies" when it comes to concussions, but explained that football players see a distinction between a hit to the head that completely removes you from play and a lighter one that doctors view as a concussion. "I've had, I believe, eight or nine recorded concussions. We'll have another conversation after I'm done playing football," Polamalu told the show. "When you get your bell rung they consider that a concussion -- I wouldn't ... If that is considered a concussion, I'd say any football player at least records 50 to 100 concussions a year." The four-time All-Pro related it to a knee injury that a player can get through. "Somebody may say, 'Is your knee messed up?' It may be kind of messed up but you just kind of push yourself to be out there with your brothers," Polamalu said. "I wouldn't say there are any major lies where I totally lied my way out of concussions. In fact, during concussions, if it's serious enough you can't even be conscious enough to lie." More than 2,400 retired NFL players are now plaintiffs against the league, claiming the NFL knew repeated concussions could lead to brain damage and yet hid the information. But Polamalu is the latest current player to admit being willing to hide a head injury. Bears Pro Bowl linebacker Brian Urlacher admitted in February he also would lie about a concussion to stay on the field. Polamalu, who started all 16 games last season, said he's willing to conceal a concussion because of the commitment players make to their teammates and the sport. "There's so much built up about team camaraderie and sacrifice, and football is such a tough man's game," Polamalu told the Dan Patrick Show. "I think that's why it's so popular, why so many blue-collar communities and people feel really attracted to it, because it's sort of a blue-collar struggle that football players go through in terms of the physicality of the game and the commitment you need. ... It's that commitment you need to play football. You feel sore, you're beat up, you're injured, you're legitimately injured, most people may take three months off to work in an office, we choose to play the next week." Information from The Associated Press contributed to this report. |
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Troy lies to team about concussions and doesn't consider getting his bell rung a concussion. There goes any argument that they players understand the risks. Troy just admitted how ignorant he is of the medicine. If he said he understood that each time was in fact a traumatic brain injury and that he is increasing the likelihood of permanent lifetime deficits when he lies to go back on the field, I would say he gets it and is hurting himself by choice, howerver stupidly. But he thinks it's no big deal and there he is simply wrong on the medical facts. The rookie symposium and all league meeting should teach the truth about brain injuries. Copied this post from the NFL concussion lawsuit thread.
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Kind of explains his reasons for his lackluster plays in some games....
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Re: Troy Polamalu: I've hid concussions
I guess there's no way of knowing, but I do wonder how often players get concussions. If Polamalu is correct and players get 50+ a season then I would think more older players would be vegetable types. I think Troy either doesn't know the difference from hitting your head and getting a concusion or he's right and most NFL players will look like Mohammad Ali by the time they are 60.
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Tue, May 8, 07 at 17:52
I've heard different things about geraniums in containers. One version is that its best to have only one geranium per container. Others say that's not the case. What are some of your favorite ways to feature geraniums in containers? Alone? or with companion plants?
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- Posted by greenhouser Middle TN Zone 6 (My Page) on Wed, May 9, 07 at 0:48
One of the prettiest containers I ever saw had several bright red geraniums planted with a small companion plant having tiny white flowers. Beautiful! I wish I knew what those tiny white flowers were. |
- Posted by ckthomas00 z7 VA (My Page) on Mon, Jun 11, 07 at 8:57
Geraniums do so well for me that I give them the entire pot with an accent... Either a spike grass coming from the middle or dark green ivy around the sides. |
I've got the basic standard geranium with some vinca vines. I wish I had considered adding in a white petunia or two for contrast. |
- Posted by hopefulauthor z5IL (My Page) on Sat, Jun 16, 07 at 13:46
I would think, if you're planning on bringing indoors in fall, they'd best be planted alone, or w/some type of house plant..maybe I'm wrong??? Toni |
to joeb1979 how many geraniums do you have in your pot? I tend to only put three to four but they dont look as full as yours. |
That looks amazing. Mine have never looked that good. Most of mine are dead/dying due to the unusual wet weather we have been having in TX. |
I have some in pots by themselves and then a couple with companion plants. One of them is in with vinca vines and then another is in with some lotus. |
I just found a neat plant today in small pots, it is euphorbia, little white blooms that bloom continuously. I am going back for more tomorrow.......they had this plant in semi shade at my church and it was very eye catching. I plan to use more of it this summer. Judith |
- Posted by prairierose_2007 3 (My Page) on Fri, May 16, 08 at 21:21
Your tiny white flowers may be alyssum. I put one Rocky Mountain Red petunia in a 12" pot and put 4 or 5 alyssum plants around the edge. They will sprawl over the edge and make a nice setting for the red flowers. And I think a couple of geraniums in the pot would have been better. May try that now. |
- Posted by greenhouser Middle TN Zone 6 (My Page) on Sat, May 17, 08 at 22:49
The small white flowers are called "snowflake" and I found them at a local nursery. I made up several hanging baskets with deep pink geraniums and a nice "snowflake" in the center.... beautiful. :) |
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July 16 was the low point. Since the early days of the Obama administration, Peter Orszag had been making a simple argument: that reforming health care would "bend the curve" on health-care expenses and end up saving the country billions and billions of dollars the beguiling argument that we could eat our cake and end up with more cake. He'd been saying it so often that the notion had become central to the president's thinking, and Obama had adopted Orszag's language as his own. As head of the president's Office of Management and Budget, the man responsible for minding the nation's accounts, Orszag had wagered a large portion of his prestige and power on that single proposition.
But on July 16, the Congressional Budget Office delivered a stinging critique of the health-care proposals. Not only did the Democrats fail to propose "the sort of fundamental changes" needed to control costs, the CBO said, they made it much more expensive.
Behind the scenes was a human drama. Orszag's last job was as head of the CBO, where the rigor and honesty of his economic reports impressed members of both parties. But the new CBO head seemed to be going out of his way to make the criticism personal. "The curve is being raised," he said.
The Washington Post called the criticism "devastating."
Orszag responded with his version of a fiery blog post: "In providing a quantitative estimate of long-term effects without any analytical basis for doing so, CBO seems to have overstepped."
The war of the government accountants was on.
Two months later, Orszag strides through the door of the Eisenhower Executive Office Building tall and straight in his blue pinstripe suit, shoulders back and posture perfect, black cowboy boots at one end and that unnaturally perfect clip-art hair at the other. A black SUV waits with its engine running. It's September, the long weird summer of tea parties and death panels finally over, and despite the tension over health-care reform and all the other tasks he's crammed into the last eight months writing the United States budget, shepherding health-care reform and much of the stimulus bill, rethinking the federal bureaucracy, staffing the Office of Management and Budget with the most glittering collection of eggheads since the Roosevelt Brain Trust he seems to be bursting with fresh energy. "It's good to be back in full tempo," he says.
Sliding into his seat, he leans toward the driver. "Hey, Rod, on the way back, I have a 12:30, so we may have to hustle."
He turns to his assistant. "Did you say you have food?"
"Yes, I do."
She hands him a snack plate, which he immediately tears open.
"We'll have a salad for you when you get back."
Orszag is forty, thin, and a runner. His metabolism is so high, he often eats two lunches chicken and salad usually at his desk.
As the SUV reaches the security gate, a Secret Service guard comes forward with his hand up. "You'll have to use the other exit. There's a suspicious car."
Rod starts backing up.
"This is the only time the Obama administration goes in reverse," Orszag deadpans.
"Do you want to go over the speech?" his assistant asks.
"I've already done that that's the good part about waking up at four o'clock."
There's been quite a buildup to this day, which is the date of President Obama's "study hard and stay in school" speech to millions of American students. While conservatives attacked the speech as socialist indoctrination, the president mobilized his senior staff members to visit schools around the country. Orszag's assignment is the Banneker Academic High School in inner-city Washington, where he turns out to be a one-man demonstration project of the administration's scholarly passion. He starts while he's still in his car, inhaling that snack plate and scanning a school fact sheet for useful data. The school has a 100 percent college-acceptance record, he notes approvingly. And the graduating class just got more than $8 million in scholarship money.
A moment later the car pulls up to the modest brick building and the principal immediately starts plugging that 100 percent college-acceptance rate. "I read that," Orszag says. "And $8 million in scholarship money."
She beams. A perfect student!
As he tours the school, Orszag puts his hands in his jacket pockets, which looks awkward and can't be good for the suit. There's a bit of fuzz on the back of his neck. And there's that voice the high, boyish nerd voice that carries into his high government office a whiff of model airplanes and merit badges.
Suddenly he stops. He's in the middle of a hall, students flowing by, the principal talking, people waiting but there's a chart on the wall and he has to have a look. Orszag likes charts.
It is the senior thesis sign-up sheet, the principal explains. On one side, there are about sixty names of famous writers like Aristotle and Shakespeare. On the other, the names of all the kids in the senior class.
Orszag leans in for a second. "So Homer was on the list and then got crossed out?"
Yes, the principal says.
His eye scans the list. "Too bad for Nicole," he says.
It's a quick, almost involuntary bit of system analysis; Nicole signed up for Homer and therefore her thesis topic was denied. Orszag allows himself a tiny smile of satisfaction and moves on to the next task, attempting to connect to a classroom of urban high school students with a personal anecdote revealing his own struggle through hard times:
"There've been times where I wondered whether it was worth continuing in my own education. For example, I was privileged to be working at the White House under the Clinton administration and had not finished my Ph.D., and I thought I was the cat's meow. I thought, Everyone knows what I can do, no worries on finishing that Ph.D... ."
It's so supremely geeky, the kids laugh and applaud.
But out in the big world, health-care reform is still falling apart. Orszag gives the kids his personal e-mail address and hurries out and moments later, Rod the driver is blasting his siren and running red lights, rushing Orszag to his next meeting.
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P.O. Box 226. Law Offices of Charles Sharp.
Telephone 511. Sharp & Hughes, Robert M. Hughes.
Take the Elevator. Columbia Building, Granby Street,
Rooms 504-6. Fifth Floor
Norfolk, Va. November 26th, 1895.
Mr. Armistead C. Gordon,
Staunton, Va.,
Dear Armistead,-
I have been intending to write to you on the subject
of the University fire for some time, but my engagements in court
lately have been very engrossing and I have not had the opportunity
until now.
The late fire at the University was the second one which has
occurred since I left there in 1877. It surprises me that they
did not have there the slightest semblance of a fire organization.
The people present at the fire told me that the greatest trouble was
the lack of a head. I understand that everybody was boss; that
what one professor ordered another countermanded; and that this
is really accountable for the failure to save the books.
I take the liberty of suggesting for the consideration of the
Board that they organize some form of fire department. You have
a superintendent there and, doubtless, at least a dozen servants,
and they should be required to have a regular fire drill and some
simple fire apparatus. If no other good were accomplished by
it, it would at least have the advantage of putting somebody in
charge at the fire and preventing interference by anybody else.
The fire at the Medical Hall several years ago, it seems to me,
ought to have taught them this, but, as apparently it has not, I
think the Board of Directors ought, as a guardian of the University,
to move in the matter. I do not know a steamboat, a hotel, a wharf
or a transfer company, or manufacturing plant around here which does
not have an organization like this, and that although we have a
splendid fire department here. Many a fire is taken in time and
extinguished before the arrival of the department, or kept under such
control that the efforts of the department are certain to be
successful. How a great institution like the University, with its
corps of permanent residents and employees, could have been all this
time without something of the sort, passes my understanding.
The superintendent during the fire, I understand, instead of taking
charge and managing things according to some system, was chiefly
engrossed in throwing dynamite at a structure that any engineer
ought to have known would not be affected by it. The lack of such
an organization among the authorities there, faculty and others,
is so surprising that it almost looks like imbecility.
I say these things with great reluctance, as you know the place
is not only full of personal friends, but relatives; but my love
for the University is greater efen [sic] that [sic] these, and I therefore write
to you making the suggestions for what they are worth. I rely on
you, however, not to use my letter in any way which would cause
me to lose any of the friends I have there.
Yours truly,
Robt. M. Hughes


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A Florida man accused of impersonating an officer chose the wrong motorist to pull over.
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Maric House is located in Podstrana (9 km from Split). The house is in the first place, ahead of her there are no other facilities. Distance from the sea is 60m, where there is a pebble beach which is suitable even for young children. Pebble Beach is located along the Podstrana.
All rooms are located on the south side, and have a wonderful sea view.
The ground floor is the living room, kitchen, bathroom, washing machine, iron clothing. From the kitchen and living room out to the large terrace (70m2). On the terrace there are 2 garden tables and chairs. In front of the terrace is a beautiful garden with a shower and grill. The kitchen is fully equipped.
Upstairs are 2 bedrooms (from which it comes to the balcony), bathroom.
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The days of mattress-run worthy hotel promotions are long gone. Not since Club Carlson's 50k summer promos has anything been worth writing about. Still, every once in a while a gem comes along, like Ritz Carlton's current promotion.
Stay twice at a participating Ritz Carlton property between July 1-October 13, 2013 and receive a free night at a Category 1-3 property. Participants must register for the promotion by September 30, 2013, and can earn up to 2 free nights.
The terms define a stay as "consecutive nights spent at the same hotel, regardless of check-in/check-out activity." So, no sweet talking the front desk into letting you check in/out without switching rooms. Not that you should try something like that at a Ritz Carlton to begin with!
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text: Ebunjang set to host debut theatre performanceFriday, April 20, 2012 After weeks of intense training in the area of performing arts, eleven Gambian youths sponsored by GAMJOBS will have the opportunity to showcase their potentials in what is widely anticipated to be a thrilling mega theatre showdown this Friday 20th and Saturday 21st commencing each day at 8pm, at the Ebunjang Theatre complexsituated at Kanifing South. This information was disclosed at a press conference held on Tuesday at the centre. The Centre is under the directive of a renowned historian cum artist, Janet Badjan Young. The forthcoming theatre comic play will witness the young actors and actresses perform plays like 'The trial of Busumbala' by Gambian play write Gabriel Roberts and the 'Trial of Brother Jero' anotherthrilling comic playby a renowned Nigerian prize winner for Literature -Wole Soyinka. Giving a synopsis of this thrilling comic plays, Aunty Janet Badjan Young explained that these plays were set in the 60's during a time of political and cultural change in Africa stressing that Gabriel Roberts's play is about an arrogant principal at the Armitage School in Georgetown. "He was educated in Britain, where he developed a passion for classical music. Back in the Gambia, he decided to impose his taste on the community through a constantly blearing radio set, tuned of course to the BBC .The community decided to take the law into their own hands and remove the offending radio to save their sanity. This play was the only Gambian play to be aired on BBC in the radios series-African Theatre in 1962', she explained; On the contrast, 'The Trial of Brother Jero' according to Aunty Badjang Young, is satiric comedy on phony religious groups that were surfacing at an alarming rate in Nigeria. She explained that, the main characterBrother Jero, is master of manipulation, who keeps his followers in a subservient position because he understand what they long for money , social status and power . This is only because of one Soyinka's best known plays. Badjang young further revealed thatapart from the training course, the trainees have been working with experience and top notch among them John Njie, Ousman Jarju of Mediamatic, Syl Johnson, Mike Dara, Abdoulie Kamara, Aurelia Prom, DanielNzima, Dr Henry Carrol, Arebeke Fansu and Milton Kamanga.. She further posited that this production will provide them with some of the initial skills needed to secure employment in the entertainment, communication, tourism and education sectors in the Gambia. Author: Sheriff Janko | Related Topics |


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Interesting thought. I cannot say for sure that it is true, but several lectins (including apple and banana I beleive) are known to bind with and either enhance or inhibit gastric H2 receptors. These receptors play a role in histamine synthesis, and in the old days histamine injections were often used to stimulate acid production.
What I do know is that lectin testing of common foods is dreadfully undereported in the literature. Most lectins identified have been with the purpose of developing their use as molecular probes. The more prosaic day to day reactions are not well studied, the last report I have seen are two articles by Nachbar in the 1970's. Many of the food lectin reactions reported in ER4YT were done by myself in the late 1980's on enzyme or albumin treated banks of reagent RBCs after purification via immunodiffusion electrophoresis.


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Not all that glitters is gold, and not all that smells good is good for you. The next time you're shopping for beauty items, check the label and be sure you don't see the term "fragrance" listed as a standalone ingredient.
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At which are you better, giving or receiving? Some people love to give, but are less comfortable receiving from others. If this is the case with you, think of a time you gave away something, although you did not possess it in abundance. How did that feel? Did you feel liberated? Did you feel generous? Did your act give you joy? Holding that feeling, imagine someone giving something to you—a resource you lack. Perhaps someone shown patience with you, when you were impatient with yourself, or shared wisdom with you exactly when you needed it. Imagine the giver being filled with that sense of liberation, that joy. Realize that by graciously receiving their generosity, you enabled these wonderful feelings.
Now think about the kind of giver you are. Is there something you have been called on to give, but of which you cannot let go? Are you debating stepping up to accept a position of leadership? Are letters from charities piling up on your desk? Imagine yourself giving this resource away. Could your giving transform someone's life? Imagine their joy. Imagine your feeling of liberation.
Imagine your soul's capacity for generosity growing, as you focus on abundance instead of scarcity. Balance the benefits with the real possible consequences. What is the worst that could happen? How would you survive it? Would the risk be worth the potential gain? Only you can decide. The trick is to make sure your choices reflect your values.
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Vick embracing role as mentor to Smith with Jets
New York Jets quarterbacks Geno Smith (7) and Michael Vick (1) walk off the field after practice during NFL football training camp Friday, July 25, 2014, in Cortland, N.Y. (AP Photo) |
CORTLAND, N.Y. — Michael Vick dropped back, peered down the field and flicked his wrist.
The football zipped through the air about 50 yards and dropped into the arms of a wide receiver running in stride. And it all looked so effortless for the New York Jets quarterback.
"Whoa!" one young fan shouted at a recent training camp practice. "Man, he's still got it!"
Vick knows it.
Everyone else is starting to see it, too.
Thing is, Vick also believes he can not only be a starter in the NFL, but a star. Right now, he's in line to back up Geno Smith this season. And, just as he did last year in Philadelphia, he's doing everything he can to help a young quarterback get better as a high-profile mentor.
"I'm cool with it," Vick said. "I understood the situation coming in and I knew it was Geno's job and my job was to push Geno. The thing I'm going to be is, I'm going to be a guy that's going to be able to help Geno.
"But if this team needs me to play, I'm going to be ready to play."
Vick is still hungry to be what he once was: one of the league's most dynamic players. And as far as he's concerned, no one can tell him any different.
"He can still throw it now, like, wow, can he throw it," Rex Ryan said. "It's amazing how God touches people differently and, certainly, he gave this young man so much ability."
Vick is 34, though, and some see him more as a big-name backup with plenty of experience rather than a potential starter.
Not Vick. Not yet.
"I still feel like I have a lot of football left to play, so I wouldn't take it that far," he said. "But, hey, if that's what it is now and the next couple of years, then, hey, we'll see."
There wasn't much buzz this past offseason when he became a free agent, and Vick chose to sign with a team trying to determine whether Smith can be a franchise quarterback. That's why, as Ryan and offensive coordinator Marty Mornhinweg said would happen, Smith is taking 75 percent of the snaps with the first-team offense.
"As the days go on," Vick said, "I continue to get more comfortable in my role."
While the Jets have said there is competition at every position this summer, Vick has called Smith "the starter" from the moment he signed.
But, as he well knows, that can change at any time. Just as it did last year, when he began the season with the Eagles as the starter, injured a hamstring and was replaced by Nick Foles — who went on to have a Pro Bowl season.
Rather than sulk, Vick reinvented himself.
He was lauded by Eagles coaches for his willingness to help Foles along, serving almost as another coach.
It's still much of the same in New York.
"I think these are opportunities you have to embrace," Vick said. "The great part about this is we get to watch a young kid mature in the offense and grow. If I can take part and take credit for some of that, then I will. I will enjoy every minute of that, as if I was out there playing."
He's quick to give Smith a pat on the helmet after he makes a good play. He's also eager to make sure Smith remains focused when things might not be going as smoothly.
"Just helping me with life lessons and learning from some of the things that he's done," Smith said. "He's been in this league 11 years. He's had his ups and downs. Everyone knows that quarterbacks, you're going to have a ton of those: ups and downs, ups and downs. You've just got to stay levelheaded. That's the main thing that he talks about."
After coming out of Virginia Tech as the No. 1 overall draft pick in 2001, Vick quickly developed into one of the league's most exciting players with the Falcons.
Then came a nearly two-year prison sentence for his role in a dogfighting ring that turned him into one of the most vilified athletes in recent memory. It changed his life, and is something he still tries to make amends for by championing animal rights.
He revived his career during his five years in Philadelphia, and greatly rehabilitated his image. But he's still a bad guy in some eyes. Vick knows that will never fully change. All he knows is that as long as he's on the football field — as player or mentor — life just seems right.
"I have had my share or jubilation in this league, and more to come," Vick said. "This is a great role I am in now, a great opportunity. I still get to come out and dress up and play a game I love. And that's what's most important."
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