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I am having a house built :) and they offer a 50 gallon electric. I know how to fix Gas water heaters, so that is a plus. Electric ones seem expensive/hard to fix. There are 5 of us and use a lot of hot water. We have the option to upgrade to either a 80 gallon electric for $340 or to upgrade to a 50 gallon gas for $950 I thought the price for the gas was a bit excesssive, but from what i understand gas is cheaper to run in Ohio, recovers faster, and I "think" its easier to fix(although I've never fixed an electric one so I could be wrong) What are your guys thoughts on the prices for each upgrade, and the gas vs elec, and if any of you have similar stories on large families and what size water heater. Thanks ~ |
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Gas requires a flue of some type. Gas can be used to generate electricity, so that should tell you the relative costs for most areas. Electric also tens to have slower recovery, requiring a larger tank for short time higher volume delivery. Electric water heaters are even simpler than gas ones to service. |
There are web sites that help you calculate the relative costs of owing and operating different water heaters based on current energy costs. For the future, you'll need to consult your crystal ball. Try the US DOE or Energy Star web sites. |
- Posted by weedmeister (My Page) on Wed, Jul 11, 12 at 16:14
When you say 'gas', do you mean propane or natural gas? Propane would cost as much or more than electricity. |
Good point, weed. OP, how are you heating your house? |
- Posted by bus_driver (My Page) on Wed, Jul 11, 12 at 17:03
Electric heaters difficult or expensive to repair? Not at all the case based on my experience. Gas? If the gas is propane, get the electric heater. If natural gas, get the gas heater. |
Thanks for the Replies ! When I said gas I mean NG, would the 80gallon electric keep up with a 50gallon Natural Gas. I live in ohio, it seems natural gas is cheaper than electric, but its seems expensive to have gas installed. How much do they actually save in an environment such as ohio, ballpark figures would be nice . Thanks again |
So I am getting the 80 Gallon, and if Need to later will switch. I plan to compare my bills to a neighbor who has same size house and amount of people. If you guys are interested I will keep you up to date. |
- Posted by live_wire_oak (My Page) on Sat, Jul 14, 12 at 10:48
If you are doing new construction here, there isn't anything to prevent you from choosing a gas tankless. That will be your most energy efficient choice and cheapest operating cost over the long term, and given that it's new construction it should be significantly above the "regular" gas choice. |
- Posted by live_wire_oak (My Page) on Sat, Jul 14, 12 at 10:48
If you are doing new construction here, there isn't anything to prevent you from choosing a gas tankless. That will be your most energy efficient choice and cheapest operating cost over the long term, and given that it's new construction it should be significantly above the "regular" gas choice. |
- Posted by live_wire_oak (My Page) on Sat, Jul 14, 12 at 10:49
If you are doing new construction here, there isn't anything to prevent you from choosing a gas tankless. That will be your most energy efficient choice and cheapest operating cost over the long term, and given that it's new construction it should be significantly above the "regular" gas choice. |
- Posted by live_wire_oak (My Page) on Sat, Jul 14, 12 at 10:49
If you are doing new construction here, there isn't anything to prevent you from choosing a gas tankless. That will be your most energy efficient choice and cheapest operating cost over the long term, and given that it's new construction it should be significantly above the "regular" gas choice. |
- Posted by live_wire_oak (My Page) on Sat, Jul 14, 12 at 13:25
Sorry, about the multiple posts. GW was getting hung up and it didn't seem like it was going through. I LOVE my tankless, but not enough to post the same post 4x about it! LOL! |
LoL, Well now I know you Love your Tankless, haha How about the Cost of that thing ? the ones that I have seen that would suffice for a house of 5 are quite expensive. How big is your family and how much did it cost ? Gas tankless... now does that require special venting ? My plans were to hook into the furnace later, when I cringe at the electric bill |
- Posted by GreenDesigns (My Page) on Sat, Jul 14, 12 at 22:02
In new construction, the venting cost difference between the regular vent pipe and the double wall stainless will be the material costs alone. Maybe a couple of hundred dollars depending on how far the vent pipe has to go. (If you are in a warm climate, it can even go outdoors and skip the venting.) The cost differences between tankless and a heat pump style efficient electric water heater are almost nonexistant. You'll pay more up front for either, but either will cost you much less in operating costs and will end up paying for itself plus additional cost savings over time. If you have decent water, gas tankless can last pretty much the life of the home. I have a friend with one from 1970 that still works, and I think LWO has had hers for around 20 years. Electric doesn't have nearly as long a life span. If you have bad water, nothing will have a long lifespan unless you treat the water before it's heated. Takagi and Rinnai are two respected brands that you should get quotes from plumbers for. Or you can keep buying a less efficient cheap tank water heater every 5-6 years at $700-$900 for the tank and install. If you do choose that, at least go gas as the operating costs are much cheaper and the recovery time is much much faster. The initial expense of the item isn't it's whole cost. You have to have an eye on the bigger picture. |
thanks for the quick reply green designs, Big builder has many rules that limit options Not sure if its even an option to have the double wall installed. So I'll ask this, Can I replace the single wall with the double wall ? are they close to the same size OD? ( I was planning on y-piping the furnace is why i ask. ) I have hard water around here I would go gas tankless if at all possible, NG is cheaper around here and the tankless sounds nice. Is there a big price difference from NG-Tank and NG-tankless as far as gas Usage. Have to talk to project manager and see if possible to replace with double wall Thanks |
Ok so did a little reading on the takagi usa web site, and It Can't share the piping of another appliance, which is fine with me as long as I can somehow vent it out of the basement, I'm thinking that coming out of the basement up about 3 foot (from the ground outside)then outside through a 4" hole/vent |
can I run three showers at once ? |
- Posted by live_wire_oak (My Page) on Sun, Jul 15, 12 at 14:48
Why on earth would you need to run 3 showers at once? That just inefficient family logistics regardless if you plan to do that, even if you end up with a tanked heater. What an appropriately sized tankless can do is allow you to run 2 15 minute showers simultaneously, followed by a third 15 minute shower at the same time a load of laundry is being run or the DW is being run. Or you can run a single shower plus another water use item for 30 minutes and 100 10 minute showers in succession with that same water use item. "Endless" hot water IS a reality here, as long as you treat that water before it's heated, just like you would with a tanked heater. To be able to size the correct tankless for your application you need to know what your incoming water temperature is in the winter. It's obviously different in Duluth vs. Destin. That's the basis for all calculations. Once you know that, it's simple math to figure out how many BTU's you need at a certain flow rate to achieve warm enough water with which to shower. And that's something that most people who are considering and calculating for tankless don't seem to get. You don't treat it like a standard tanked heater where you crank the temp up and then throttle the temp back with a mixer of cold water to something tolerable. All you need to do is get it to maybe 105 degrees for 2 2.5 gallon showers, not to 130. You'll need the 130 at a much lower flow rate for your DW or laundry machine, so you need to also see if you can get the water to that rate at a lower flow. It's all about the math. And it starts with your location. |
There are web sites with worksheets to help you calculate the lifetime costs of operating different types of water heaters. Unfortunately they require inputs that are sometimes difficult, like hot water usage, cost of DHW appliance and costs of energy. I'd start with the US DOE and Energy Star. |
It is all about the math - Tankless water heaters are: - more expensive to buy and as a result often don't save you enough money to provide a payback for the added costs. A tank natural gas water heater is the least expensive way to go, in most locations, (and assuming you have NG service) |
- Posted by live_wire_oak (My Page) on Tue, Jul 17, 12 at 0:09
How many times do we who own tankless have to tell you that your prejudices are showing and you are full of bunkum? If you compare the replacement costs with labor of 2-3 tanked gas heaters to the cost of a tankless install, the tankless will always come out ahead. My tankless is going on 18 years old. In that time with a conventional tank heater, I would have had to replace it at least 2, possibly 3 times. If I had chosen the higher warranty higher capacity tank, it would be in the $700-$900 range for the tank alone, plus install costs averaging $300-$400. If I had only replaced my tanked heater twice, that would have still been lower cost than a tankless unit and single install. Plus the savings from higher efficiency. If I had chosen a lower warranty and slightly smaller tank (NOT big enough for the home described above) then 3x a $500 plus 3 installs is also still cheaper than a single tankless plus original install. The only "maintenance" that I've ever needed to perform in 18 years has been twice replacing a pressure sensing diaphragm, which is about a $7 part and took about 5 minutes to do. That's it. We have very high quality pure water here direct from the Memphis Sands Aquifer, which is bottled straight up and sold elsewhere as "premium" bottled water. Even if you don't have that high quality water available to you, if you put good quality treated water into the heater (of whatever variety) you won't have to "descale" anything either. If you put bad water into anything, you increase the service it needs and shorten it's life. |
I'm glad you're happy with what you have. My comments come from what I was told by a plumbing contractor who did a big remodel job for me. He said he stopped selling tankless units because he was losing too many cutomer relationships from people being dissatisfied with them after installation. He said he liked selling and installing them because there was much more profit to him, but it wasn't worth it. On the other hand, he also said that quality control of most tank units had plummeted and prices had risen, he wasn't happy with how many units fail shortly after installation and need to be replaced. Descaling is not a theoretical possiblity, it's required in many locations. Add $150 to annual operating costs, it's something the average homeowner won't do themselves. Lastly, he also told me that people were most dissatified with the slow reaction time (waiting for hot water) and low flow rates. You have any experience with that? |
I need to run three showers at once because of teenagers and sunday morning church, plus holidays or any other day that multiple people get up at the same time. Shower in the basement(which by the way will have the best pressure) Kids bathroom shower, and Master shower. Needless to say my family is not going to be impressed by tankless if it cannot keep the water hot. Treating the water would be an added expense (purchaseprice + cost to run). My inlet temperature gets to about 40 or so in the winter. Thinking about it, maybe its worth it to get just a small tankless for the dishwasher... but that would be down the road because they are not the cheapest things in the world. I think I'll be going with a hot water heater that is roughly 50 gal or more, Natural gas, and has 2" insulation and 12yr warranty. Kinda having trouble deciding between the ones at the big box stores (hd lowes or sears(kenmore) or the bw brand that I heard is good. btw (thanks to all for the replys) any suggestions ? |
- Posted by weedmeister (My Page) on Thu, Jul 19, 12 at 15:41
If I had 3 teenagers taking showers in the morning, a cloths washer and dishwasher, I would go for the 80gl tank over the 50. If you're still in the house after the kids move out (ha!), you can downsize the tank when it needs to be replaced in 12-15 years. |
Generally Don't do clothes or dishes in the morning, but I guess I could see that being a problem after sunday dinner(ie the night before they go to school. The 50 gallon ng wh im looking at provide 80+ gallons before running out. |
Be careful, I'm not sure you understand what's called "recovery". The normal residential 50 gal heater will cite a recovery stat, which might be 40 or 50 gallons in the first hour. That means if you have a tank of cold water, a 50 gal/hour recovery will give you a tank of hot water in an hour. If you have a 50 gallon tank, and don't have flow restricted shower heads, 3 showers running at the same time will use up the hot water in less than 10 minutes, maybe closer to 5 minutes worth. Even with flow restricted heads, you'll get to about 10 minutes, not much longer. In such a short time, you'll have little recovery at all, maybe a few minutes worth more hot water at best. Certainly, nothing near 80 gallons. If you want to have more than 50 gallons available for simultaneous showers, you need a larger tank or maybe even two connected together. |
- Posted by GreenDesigns (My Page) on Fri, Jul 20, 12 at 12:51
50 gallons is too small for your described situation. But, 3 showers at once or in succession is also not really necessary if you plan your timing better. I still think a tankless would suit you better. It will certainly cost you less over time versus buying a tank heater. It's the difference in buying a pair of cheap $50 shoes to wear to work that fail you after just a couple of months and need to be replaced 3 times during the year or a pair of $150 ones that will last you a year or more. Which actually costs you more? |
It depends on the Wattage of the unit if it's the electric but for the gas is it might have some gas leak that might result to explosion. |
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Thanks Catmom! I'm going to have to push myself to stop cluttering up the table with paper now though lol. And figure out someplace else to dump the recycling overages. I have a bin for them in one of the cabinets, but we currently keep another large bin under the table out of laziness since the garage is detached, who wants to go out there all the time to discard everything? Guess we'll have to just suck it up now :P And hopefully not trip over the cats auto-feeder too! |
Love it!! |
It's beautiful! And perfect for your space (which is also very pretty). |
Thanks again! It's one of the few things I was second guessing myself about so it's good to hear other's liking the set :) |
Oh. My. Goodness. Irony of all ironies... I bought a small table/chair set from Value City Furniture in 2001. We just finished up with our kitchen reno and have a peninsula seating area now, so I am getting rid of it. I wanted to tell you that I think my set is the "grandpa" to your set, and let me tell you, it has worn SO well. I don't even want to get rid of it, but have no space. I have moved SIX times and had TWO children since I bought the table. My kids are 2 and 5 and we use the table all the time with no special covering and it still looks great. I wound up putting my set on craigslist this weekend, and it sold immediately. Seriously, funny. There's a pic in the craigslist listing so you can see that it is sorta the same kind of set. (Oh and I paid 399 for this table and chairs in 2001). I know I am going on and on, but i just LOVED the table and thought it lasted so much better than much of my other furniture. Good luck! |
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Wow that IS funny! I love that your's has no upholstery. I would have preferred that. I'm a bit worried about my cat taking a liking to them - but so far he's never sat in the chairs in the kitchen so I think I'll be lucky. On the other hand, we've never eaten a meal in the kitchen, so maybe not :P I was scouring Craig's List all this time for that matter. Just never saw a thing there either. Too bad we are in NJ. I would have scooped that up in a heartbeat! It's good to hear it's worn well also. I'll tell you too, I purchased a dining room set with a buffet from them a long time ago, while I was married. Really lovely, sort of French Provincial, but not overwrought. My ex got to keep that (darn) but even after 8 years and lots of use it also looked perfect. I don't know all the brands they stock - but it seems they do tend to carry some pretty decent ones, and they run good sales too. |
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I hope it fits. Very pretty. |
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I have had my suspitions about mom watering my TC for a while now, (tho I haven't caught her) it has not dried out at all. Not wanting to blame mom for it (everyone else knows to leave it alone) I was just assuming that it was the old soil not drying out... well, DH watched her yesterday watering it! I was wondering why there was a glass next to it, but again, that's mom's thing, putting things where they don't belong. He told me what she did, and daddy said he has seen her do it several times!! A few times a week!! UGGGGH!! I don't know where to put it so she won't water it. She sure does like it. Keeps talking about how much it has grown, (it hasn't). She thinks it is hers. Hate to tell her it isn't... I am going to repot it soon (I hope) and with much faster draing soil mix. Maybe that would help with her over watering it. I don't know what to do about it. I really don't have another place for it but where it is. I could tell her not to water it, but she forgets in 2 mins what you just told her. She doesn't mess with the others because they are all in my room, if they were where she sees them all day tho, that would be a problem. It doesn't seem any "worse for the wear" but that may explain why there is no new growth or flowers on it. Was thinking about putting up like chicken wire all around it so she can't reach it! But I don't think that would work either-- /sigh. She would find a way... plus it wouldn't look good. So this is my Challange: how do you get a mom that has alzthimers not to water your plants? Anyone up for a challange? :)
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- Posted by marguerite Ireland (My Page) on Fri, Nov 23, 12 at 15:14
My daughter says people with Alzheimers are amenable to reading signs. So how about trying with a sign: 'Please, Mam, do not water this plant' If it is just her memory that is at fault, that just might do the trick. |
Maybe you can buy her a plant of her own, possibly a plant that can take excessive watering. If she's enjoying caring for a plant I think that it's important to allow her to continue (though w/o harming your plant), especially if she's developing Alzheimers as this is something she can still control and somewhat understand. Maybe she would leave your plant alone. If not try placing something along the inside edge of the pot to deflect the water or is there any way to put it out of her reach? Good luck. |
- Posted by asleep_in_the_garden (My Page) on Fri, Nov 23, 12 at 16:54
I agree with the sign idea. Maybe it could read "I'm not thirsty yet,thank you! " and then put a great big smiley face afterward. :) |
- Posted by silentsurfer 6A OH (My Page) on Fri, Nov 23, 12 at 19:35
lol srry its kinda funny, but not sorta,,, just the way you presented it i think,, maybe a fake plant?? or some kinda fake self-watering pot, that Doesnt......work?? just collects water in the bottom till you can dump it later?? interesting dilema. |
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Thanks for the idea of the sign, it may work. Like I said, there is no other place for it right now. Oh did I mention the ducks she collects? They are around the plant. She keeps moving them so she can see them better, turns the plant around too.. I told her the ducks like to hide under it, she bought it for a while. Watched her today moving the plant again for them.. gotta love her. :) My DH is trying to find a place to put another shelf in here, easy for me to reach~~ haha. But I hate taking it away from her. Maybe a sign will be the answer.. if I put it in the plant itself. I think she would take it off the wall. purple- thanks for the hugs.. needed it today :) Marjie |
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Thanks for the blog. It's been very helpful and based on your advice we looked for a firm mattress to pair up with a latex topper. We currently have a Simmons Leyden pillowtop and as with everyone we really liked the soft feel at first but the body impressions got uncomfortably deep after a year or two. We managed to get a warranty exchange so we have to buy from the same chain store, and their selection of coil mattresses is pretty limited. Their low-end S&F are the Joy (Heidi) Luxury Plush and Adele (Josette) Ultra Firm -- they don't have the Heidi firm. I was concerned about whether the Plush would hold up so I chose the Josette Ultra Firm, but my concerns there are that it has a bit of memory foam, and it's very firm (obviously). The other main options were the Simmons Graystone Firm and S&F Kathryn Luxury Firm.
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The Adele ultra firm has only 1/2" of memory foam and it's not near the top. The problem with that model is that it's way too firm to start with.
The tough spot your in, is the size difference between you and your wife. The Adele with a 2" latex topper is still going to be too firm for her.
That store has access to anything in the S&F line. It isn't a question of can't, but that they won't. They don't have that sku in their computer. To order a Joy in luxury firm would require someone paying special attention to the process of ordering it for you...God forbid.
If you can't wrangle that out of them...something you'll need to speak to a "higher up" about....and you're going with the Adele, your topper need will be:
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Washington is a great place to celebrate Independence Day, what with the monuments, the barbecues, the millions of tourists and, of course, the fireworks. Actually, in the nation's capital we're treated to fireworks almost every day, though they're usually the rhetorical kind. To celebrate this year, we bought a bunch of new pyrotechnics that just went on the market (legal in most states). Here they are. Buyer beware.
The Barack Blast: The fancy box on this much-anticipated explosive promises all sorts of dazzle and awe. When you light it, though, it turns out it's just regular fireworks.
Boehner's Bomb: This one comes at half-price with the Barack Blast. Light them together, and watch this beauty obstruct all of the Barack Blast's efforts to bring you a light show.
The Omni-Romney: This is the premier tour de flame of the year, a contraption brimming with sparkling effects that will keep the show going for hours. Sure to be the highlight of your evening if you can afford it.
Newt's Eclipse: Aim directly at the moon.
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The Super Duper PAC: A spectacle of booms and bangs, best suited for the grand finale, but unfortunately it's not allowed to coordinate with the other fireworks, so it can't be part of the show. It's also a little bit negative.
The Bleepin' Veep: Keep the kids away from this show-stopper. It's loud and a little vulgar, but it's as quick as an Amtrak train to Wilmington.
The Cain Train: A dud. Good for practical jokes though.
The Supreme Assortment: Especially rare and secretive. No one really knows what's inside it. After you light the fuse, it keeps you waiting for months. But the result is surprising.
The Fox Box and The Situation Boom: For the first few minutes, it's a mess and a little rushed. Then it gets on track, before cutting to commercial.
Rick's Tricks: A special three-part display, exported from Texas. The first section is full of elaborate Roman candles; the second is a variety of colorful chrysanthemums; and the third …
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Beverly's Birthday Party at Pepe's Mexican Restaurant, 11 July 2011
Beverly's Birthday Party at Pepe's Mexican Restaurant in Montrose, 11 July 2011. Wonderful food, stout, honest, unwatered bar. Some of the ladies have astounding alcohol capacity. Very good times. Had to be shot digital for immediate e-mailing to Yvette and Lovely for Facebooking, forwarding, and printing. Impatient youth.
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Arbonne claims that ABC Herbal Diaper Rash Cream is gently formulated to reduce irritation and prevent diaper rashes, but unfortunately, that couldn't be further from the truth.
This product contains several potentially irritating fragrant plant extracts and oils which are the last thing you want to put on your baby's fragile skin. Although the formula does also contain skin-repairing anti-irritants, it's not enough to cancel out all the bad ingredients.
By the way, just because something is labeled "herbal" doesn't mean it's inherently safe or good for skin of any age. There are plenty of irritating natural ingredients, and on the flip side, there are thousands of wonderful and safe synthetic ingredients (and lots of good natural ingredients, too).
It's also worth noting that ABC Herbal Diaper Rash Cream won't hold up as well other diaper creams through excess moisture since the texture isn't as thick, and it doesn't contain a heavy duty skin-protectant, such as zinc oxide or Vaseline.
Arbonne also claims this product can be used on "minor burns, cuts, scrapes and sunburn", but it isn't good for any of those issues, either. In fact the arnica extract that this contains is just one example of a particularly bad ingredient for abraded skin, especially a baby's skin. Consider this NOT mother- approved!
A gentle lotion formulated for delicate skin that soothes, softens and conditions skin, while helping to reduce redness and irritation.
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Founded in 1975 with the goal of providing skin-care products with "unparalleled quality and effectiveness," Arbonne International is a direct-sales line many of my readers have an intense curiosity about. There must be lots of assertive Arbonne salespeople out there, because no other line with this type of business structure has generated the amount of email we receive, all asking if Arbonne products are worth it and whether or not many of the company's outlandish claims are true. More than many other lines, Arbonne is big on playing up the alleged evil of many benign cosmetic ingredients. Topping this list is mineral oil, which the company maintains interferes with skin functions and delivery systems. Cosmetics-grade mineral oil is not a problem for skin and is in fact one of the mildest and most effective ingredients for making dry skin look and feel better. It doesn't have the best texture or finish, but its effectiveness is indisputable (Sources: Journal of Burn Care Research, May-June 2006, pages 345–351; Contact Dermatitis, June 2003, pages 293–299; Cosmetics & Toiletries, January 2001, page 79; Cosmetic Dermatology, September 2000, pages 44–46; and Dermatitis, September 2004, pages 109–116).
We have also been asked about whether it is true that all mascaras except Arbonne's contain bat excrement. Yes, you read that correctly. It seems many Arbonne salespeople are telling potential customers that all mascaras (except for Arbonne's, of course) contain this substance. We also found that many of the Arbonne representatives we spoke to love sharing the false rumor about lipsticks containing road-kill remnants (except for Arbonne's, of course). We wouldn't mention these tall tales if these were a few isolated incidents, but dozens upon dozens of women have contacted us asking for the truth behind these ludicrous claims. Just to be clear, cosmetic chemists are not venturing into dark caves to collect bat excrement or picking up carcasses of animals on the side of the road all in an effort to save money and create harmful cosmetics. And you have to wonder: If Arbonne products are so wonderfully effective, why do they need to sell themselves using scare tactics about what every other company's products supposedly contain?
Arbonne also advertises the fact that their products don't contain chemical fragrances because of their potential for causing allergic contact dermatitis. We agree with that stance, but it would give Arbonne more credibility if they didn't replace "chemical" fragrances with a slew of irritating plant extracts and volatile oils, several of which are well-known for their potential to cause skin problems. It is their overreliance on such ingredients that makes a disproportionate number of their products impossible to recommend.
we could go on, but to sum it up, despite my reservations, Arbonne has some good products to consider. However, the rather misleading marketing language is not convincing. None of the natural-sounding ingredients in the world can keep you from reacting to an irritating preservative or fragrance, or from breaking out due to cosmetic waxes such as stearic acid or myristyl myristate.
For more information about Arbonne International, call (800) 272-6663 or visit www.arbonne.com.
Arbonne Makeup
Arbonne's makeup is known is divided into two main groups, About Face and Virtual Illusion, and in contrast to its skin-care products, the claims are somewhat tempered. The color palette presented is divided into warms, cools, and neutrals. Although we don't agree with all of Arbonne's classifications, this system can be helpful for making your selection. Regrettably, this collection has seen very little change over the years. Instead, Arbonne focuses heavily on skin care while their latest makeup fails to approach the benchmark standards being set by dozens upon dozens of other companies. The average to poor products are particularly distressing because, for the most part, Arbonne's makeup is overpriced.
Despite this, there is some good news. The makeup categories to focus are blush, eyeshadow, lipstick, gloss, and brushes. You should know that contacting an Arbonne representative to purchase makeup (you cannot purchase it via the company's Web site without having being assigned a representative) will result in more than just a monetary transaction. The Arbonne representatives we encountered were on a mission to recruit anyone who buys (or expresses interest in) their products. Dealing with this company demands patience or a strong resolve. You will need to refute not only the employees' fervent belief that Arbonne products and philosophies are superior to all others, but also the assertion that joining the company is a life-altering experience on par with the most profound spiritual journey you can imagine. Speaking as a consumer, this sort of selling is not appealing, but we are sure there are others looking for just the financial opportunity and lifestyle change Arbonne offers. Those who agree with me should know that the About Face and Virtual Illusion collections include nothing that can't be found elsewhere, from companies that make it much easier to obtain products than Arbonne does. One more point: Returning products to Arbonne is incredibly frustrating. You must contact your consultant to obtain her information, and then call the company to obtain a return merchandise authorization number. If your consultant doesn't step up, you're stuck with the products unless you want to deal with the company directly, which is about as pleasant as a root canal.
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I got this as a sample and LOVED it! It smells so delicious! I don't know how well it really works as a mask, since it didn't do much for me, but it's gentle and I would buy it just for the smell.
I bought this because I needed a new scrub, I love Benefit (not sure why though since not everything is *that* great -shrug-) and it seemed like a nice combo of ingredients. It smells amazing in the shower and has some good exfoliating power. Not too harsh on my somewhat sensitive skin though. I put I won't purchase this again though because I am one of those people who loves using stuff up for the mere purpose of trying something new. Haha. I'm also 99.9999% positive there are way less expensive face scrubs that are just as useful.
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This is the best facial scrub I have ever used and the smell is de-e-licious! Interestingly, my experience was similar to that of the reviewer before me. My once clear skin suddenly broke out in cystic acne alone my chin and jawline. I decided to start exfoliating properly and this little gem really helped to heal my skin. It's fantastic!
I have annoyingly sensitive skin so when I was given a sample of this scrub I wasn't expecting to have to rush out and buy a full size but that's exactly what I did. As other reviewers have commented the smell of this product is gorgeous - it's a very creamy marzipan scent but what seals the deal for me is how incredibly smooth and silky my face feels when I've used it. My work colleague commented that my skin looked like porcelain when I had used it last week so it really does work for my skin. I don't get any dry patches of irritated skin and it doesn't sting even though it's highly scented. The only thing negative is the price but I'm willing to fork out £18 for a product which works this well and delivers such great results.
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Last summer I started breaking out REALLY bad... like cyst-like acne all over my jaw line, from ear to ear. I used everything under the sun to try to get it to go away. Retin-A, Dr. Murads Acne Set, whatever that stuff is that Jessica Simpson promotes... Philosophys "On a Clear Day" Acne treatment kit. Basically, 100's of dollars on CRAP. I stumbled upon "Honey, Snap out of it" and within a week, I was about 75% blemish free and all the devistating damage I had done by picking and poking was healed up as well. I'm a 27 year old, with combination skin, somewhat large pores... and not normally acne prone. I use just a tiny bit every day with a drop of water and once a week, I use it as a mask sans water.
Hope this helps someone with the same dilema.
With my sensitive, acne prone skin, I need exfoliation without irritation (after all the scrubs I've tried, apparently that is a tall order), but this scrub does an excellent job. A little bit goes a long way and a gentle scrubbing is all it takes. Used every other day for the last two months I have found a marked improvement in the texture of my skin and fewer breakouts to boot!
Eh. Like a lot of BeneFit products, this one disappoints. They claim something about how it works as a vacuum to clean out pores....Yeah right. It's just a nice-smelling scrub with almond meal and oatmeal--exfoliating particles that I find too rough to benefit my skin. As others have mentioned, it also leaves a bit of a film on skin, so I always feel like I have to cleanse again or tone after using it.
I was skeptical at first but decided to buy this scrub, even though I thought it was a bit pricey. However, I'm glad I did try it. And because I used the scrub anywhere from once to three times a week (not daily), it lasted me for well over a year (maybe it was even a year and a half).
It's nice because it's very condensed, so you don't have to use much at a time, and the smell is okay, and it feels good, a little on the rough/grainy side but not too harsh.
However, I have combination skin that sometimes gets very dry (like deep in water or in too hot summer), so I did notice on those occassions when I used the scrub it was not strong enough (I still had to basically scrap dead skin cells off with my fingernails and water). That's the reason why I won't buy this again, because I need something a bit stronger for my skin (I'm buying Germaine de Capuccini Facial Exfoliator next), but I do think this is a good product.
I really really like this scrub. I used to have eczema and since then my skin has been really sensitive, and st.ives apricot scrub hurt to use. Personally i dont particularly love or hate the smell, but I just really like how it makes your skin feel afterwards. When I was at the counter, the girl used it on one of my hands, and the comparison afterwards to my other hand was very surprising. My one hand looked so much fresher and brighter. I would definitely recommend this scrub, and i wouldn't worry about the price. I've had it for 3 months and its only starting to look like it's been slightly used, and i would guess that it'll last me about a year, so 31 dollars canadian doesnt seem like that much...


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Gardening is often a mutual accommodation of the crop and the gardener. Our lavender plants, just starting to bloom now, remind me of that truth. The genus Lavandula is native from North Africa and the Mediterranean to southwest Asia and India. If we think of domesticated lavender, our strongest association might be with fields blooming under the hot, dry skies of the Provence region of France. In fact, the extensive cultivation of lavender in southern France is fairly recent—only since the 1920s. Over the preceding century, lavender perfumes had been derived from blossoms collected mostly from wild plants. These had rapidly colonized the rocky hills that were just as rapidly being abandoned by French peasants migrating to industrial jobs in the cities.
So growing lavender in cool, moist western New York, our chief concession was to plant it on our rockiest knoll with a southerly slope. Actually, our friend Hope had started the plants in the comfort of her sun room. In May 2008, we'd transplanted them to our garden, where, despite our pampering, half died over that first year. So in 2009, we transplanted the survivors to the hard rock pile. Our problem was the strips between the rows, which were too rough to be tamed by any lawnmower blade. Our solution was to cultivate with tractor and disk. But even as we picked the largest stones after each cultivation, the next pass of the disk would levitate another crop of rocks. And the taproots of dock and burdock wedged themselves among the stones, where even the disk could not dislodge them. Hoeing and hand-pulling were our unenviable options, and were effective only after the rocks had been lubricated by a good rainfall.
Our weedy, stony lavender plot is rarely
photogenic. But after our recent rains, we've cleared two thirds of the
plot of almost all of its weeds. We proudly present a carefully-cropped
view of lavender in early bloom. In the foreground is the lavandin
("French lavender") variety, Dilly-Dilly. The upper part of the row is
the hardy "English lavender" variety, Munstead. Our efforts are repaid
with a sprig of fresh lavender in our lemonade, as we rest our weary
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Fletcher Christian, (born Sept. 25, 1764, near Cockermouth, Cumbria, Eng.—died c. 1790, –93?), seaman and leading mutineer on HMS Bounty, under the command of William Bligh.
A member of a family that had moved from the Isle of Man to Cumberland, Eng., Christian had already served some years in the navy when, in 1787, he became master's mate on the Bounty, a discovery ship sailing (Dec. 23, 1787) from Spithead to the South Seas to collect breadfruit trees for the West Indies. The ship arrived in Tahiti on Oct. 26, 1788, and remained more than five months, providing apparently an idyllic life for the crew. On April 4, 1789, it set sail for the West Indies. On the morning of April 28, Christian, at the head of 25 petty officers and seamen, seized the ship, reacting to the alleged tyranny and insults of Bligh. Bligh and 18 of the crew were set adrift in a lifeboat, and the mutineers attempted to establish themselves on Tubuai in the Austral Islands. This attempt was abandoned, and 16 crewmen who requested to return to Tahiti were permitted to do so. Christian and eight others, together with some Tahitian men and women (including Mauatua, who became Christian's wife), sailed away, not to be heard of again until 1808, when a lone survivor (John Adams, who called himself Alexander Smith) and the mutineers' descendants were found on Pitcairn Island. His story was that the group landed at Pitcairn (reportedly in 1790), stripped and burned the Bounty, but later fell out among themselves and with the Tahitians, and were wiped out—Christian included.
Another story had Christian somehow escaping the island (perhaps on the ship of one Captain Folger in 1808) and secretly making his way back to England, where he allegedly visited his relatives in Cumberland in 1808–09 and was seen on the streets of Devonport (now a part of Plymouth).


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Crab Rolls with Lemon Aioli
New Orleans chefs often drown seafood in rich, spicy sauces, but here, chef Jason McCullar of Cure simply dresses sweet crabmeat (a Louisiana staple) in lemon-scented aioli. The crab salad is wonderful piled on hot dog buns like a New England lobster roll or arranged delicately on small rolls as hors d'oeuvres.
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Stewart platform
A Stewart platform is a type of parallel robot that incorporates six prismatic actuators, commonly hydraulic jacks. These actuators are mounted in pairs to the mechanism's base, crossing over to three mounting points on a top plate. Devices placed on the top plate can be moved in the six degrees of freedom in which it is possible for a freely-suspended body to move. These are the three linear movements x, y, z (lateral, longitudinal and vertical), and the three rotations pitch, roll, & yaw. The term "six-axis" platform is also used.
Name of the device[edit]
Designed by Gough and Stewart[edit]
This specialised six-jack layout was first used by V E (Eric) Gough of the UK and was operational in 1954,[1] the design later being publicised in a 1965 paper by D Stewart to the UK Institution of Mechanical Engineers.[2] Although the short title Stewart Platform is now used for this jack layout, it would be fairer to Eric Gough to call it a Gough/Stewart platform. To be more precise, the original Stewart platform had a slightly different design.[3] See the more detailed references at the end of this article.
Because the motions are produced by a combination of movements of several of the jacks, such a device is sometimes called a synergistic motion platform, due to the synergy (mutual interaction) between the way that the jacks are programmed.
Because the device has six jacks, it is often also known as a hexapod (six legs). The trademarked name "hexapod" (by Geodetic Technology)[4] was originally for Stewart platforms used in machine tools. However, the term is now used for 6-jack platforms outside of the machine tool area, since it simply means "six legs".[5]
Stewart platforms have applications in flight simulators, machine tool technology, crane technology, underwater research, air-to-sea rescue, satellite dish positioning, telescopes and orthopedic surgery.
Flight simulation[edit]
The Stewart platform design is extensively used in flight simulation, particularly in the so-called full flight simulator for which all 6 degrees of freedom are required.
In this role, the payload is a replica cockpit and a visual display system, normally of several channels, for showing the outside-world visual scene to the aircraft crew that are being trained. Payload weights in the case of a full flight simulator for a large transport aircraft can be up to about 15,000 kilogrammes.
James S. Albus of the National Institute of Standards and Technology (NIST) developed the RoboCrane, where the platform hangs from six cables instead of being supported by six jacks.
The Low impact docking system developed by NASA uses a Stewart platform to manipulate space vehicles during the docking process.
Taylor Spatial Frame[edit]
Dr. J. Charles Taylor utilized the Stewart platform to develop the Taylor Spatial Frame,[6] an external fixator used in orthopedic surgery for the correction of bone deformities and treatment of complex fractures.
Eric Gough - inventor of the 6-axis jack layout[edit]
Eric Gough was an automotive engineer and worked at Fort Dunlop, the Dunlop Tyres factory in Birmingham, England.[7] He developed his "Universal Tyre-Testing Machine" (also called the "Universal Rig") in the 1950s and his platform was operational by 1954.[1] The rig was able to mechanically test tyres under combined loads. Dr. Gough died in 1972 but his testing rig continued to be used up until the late 1980s when the factory was closed down and then demolished. His rig was saved and transported to the Science Museum (London) storage facility at Wroughton near Swindon.
See also[edit]
- ^ a b Gough, V. E. (1956–1957). "Contribution to discussion of papers on research in Automobile Stability, Control and Tyre performance". Proc. Auto Div. Inst. Mech. Eng.: 392–394.
- ^ Stewart, D. (1965–1966). "A Platform with Six Degrees of Freedom". Proc. Institution of Mechanical Engineers (UK). Vol 180 (Pt 1, No 15).
- ^ Lazard, D.; Merlet, J. -P. (1994). "The (true) Stewart platform has 12 configurations". Proceedings of the 1994 IEEE International Conference on Robotics and Automation. p. 2160. doi:10.1109/ROBOT.1994.350969. ISBN 0-8186-5330-2.
- ^ Parallel Robots - Second Edition by J.P. Merlet (pp. 48)
- ^ Fraunhofer Research: Hexapod Robot for Spine Surgery
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- Bonev, I.A., "The True Origins of Parallel Robots", ParalleMIC online review
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Jun 5th 2009 9:17AM This is not true. My cousin was hacked due to a keylogger and they would trash and milk every character he had except for one, who had mining. He would use this character to farm. If they farm the money or not, they've taken from other people. It's not like they have their own account to send the gold because they would be banned. They use hacked accounts. And they WAS a Chinese farmer because we got the account back and locked down with parental controls after the third time of being hacked and the idiot sent an email saying, "Tell me you parental control password please. I give it back in 5 hours." And there was some Chinese writing on the bottom of the email.
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I'm sorry, this is a stupid question, but I'm trying to make strawberry jam. I made a batch last night that I think is closer to syrup (but it tastes good). I want to make another and need to know if I can mix the berries & sugar together tonight and keep it until the morning (it's just too hot right now to cook), then can it. I'm using the Ball Book recipe w/o added pectin.
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It should be fine, but might gel a little naturally. If your a beginner in making jellies and have apparently had a failed batch already, it might be wiser to make the new batch with some added pectin. Pectin-less jams are not usually as easy to make for someone who is just starting out. |
Thanks for the quick reply, KSRogers. I'll try the pectin. |
- Posted by readinglady z8 OR (My Page) on Fri, Jun 6, 08 at 21:54
Strawberries are one of the more tricky fruits for no-pectin jams, but the downside of pectin is 1) it takes more sugar and 2) it still isn't totally reliable. Here's an easy oven jam good for beginners because you can cook as long as you need (in fact if you're not careful it will end up a little stiff) without worrying about overcooking or caramelization. P.S. Yes, you can definitely put the berries and sugar together overnight. This helps dissolve the sugar and speeds up the process. Add lemon juice if the recipe includes it. Elegant Oven Strawberry Jam Categories : Canning & Preserving Jams & Jellies Amount Measure Ingredient -- Preparation Method Combine berries and sugar in a large stainless or enamel pan. Let stand for 2 hours, stirring several times. Add vinegar or lemon juice and bring to a boil over high heat; reduce heat and boil gently, uncovered, for 10 minutes. Pour into two 13 x 9-inch (3.5 L) glass baking dishes and place in a convection or standard oven at 150°F (65°C). Bake until mixture is thickened and will form a gel, about 3 hours for convection and 10 hours for standard, stirring occasionally. Ladle into sterilized jars and process in a BWB 5 minutes (or hot clean jars for 10 minutes). Description: Carol |
- Posted by kathy_in_washington Zone 8 Sequim,WA (My Page) on Sat, Jun 7, 08 at 2:21
Wow, Carol ... Balsamic Vinegar in Strawberry Jam? It sounds interesting, but I've never heard of that. Have you or anyone ever tried it? Is it a helpful flavor rather than the usual lemon juice? Kathy |
- Posted by readinglady z8 OR (My Page) on Sat, Jun 7, 08 at 2:43
I think it depends totally upon the quality of the balsamic vinegar. Lemon juice is definitely the more conventional choice. Carol |
- Posted by lpinkmountain 5b/6a border PA (My Page) on Sat, Jun 7, 08 at 9:58
Carol I'd love to try this but with the temps in the 90's this weekend . . . I can't believe it! :( I'm sure this will ruin what's left of the strawberry crop. I'm off to the market to buy some today, it will probably be my last chance to get some local ones. I still have about 5 jars of strawberry preserves left from last year so I won't be making jam this year, sadly. Good luck Rebel, strawberry jam without pectin is the holy grail of preserve making! I tried four different jams last year with strawberries. The only batches that set up was the one with powdered pectin, but that one tastes like jello to me! The other batch was strawberry apple jam, in which case you add an apple for the pectin. Not a bad version, but definately not the pure strawberry taste. The old fashioned preserves and strawberry rhubarb turned out as sauce, but those were still extremely yummy! |
The Pomona pectin might also be useful. I make sugarless jams now, and use Splenda instead of sugar. None would set by themselves. Because of this, they can also spoil much quicker after opening, so I add the extra acid blend. The blend has the effect of making the fruits flavor much stronger, snd isn't disguised by a lot of sweetness. Balsamic I used in my roasted pepper spread, it has a little lower acidity and is quite strong flavored, so be sure to taste it by itself before adding to any jelly. There is also a white balsamic vinegar which is milder flavored. |
- Posted by readinglady z8 OR (My Page) on Sat, Jun 7, 08 at 13:53
Well, lpinkmountain, there's always next year. The benefit of this recipe is the strawberries stay almost entirely whole, so it has a lovely appearance and texture. The downside is the traditional gel temperature doesn't apply, so you have to use the cold plate test to determine degree of set. The original recipe was done outside, so it's basically a naturally dehydrated jam, but we don't have the sunshine here (especially this year) and with the oven you don't have to worry about insects. I think the balsamic vinegar could easily be reduced. I'd be inclined to add near the end tablespoon by tablespoon and see how I like it. You could do a balsamic-peppercorn, which makes a lovely "boutique" preserve for gifts. I'm thinking that might be the base for some wonderful glazes and for a killer strawberry-peppercorn-mustard condiment. Also, lpinkmountain, I've used this same recipe for other berries, particularly raspberries, which are so delicate they tend to lose all identity. This results in a beautiful, bright, "textured" preserve, so is perfect for raspberries. Blueberries with a cinnamon stick and maybe some whole allspice could also be made in the same way. So play with it, see what you come up with and let us know how you like the results. As far as traditional strawberry jam (the "holy grail", LOL), I've never had a set failure. However, due to the growing conditions here in the PNW, the berries have a different sugar-acid balance that makes a good set easier to achieve. Remember, too, that with traditional no-commercial-pectin jams it's a good idea to use 1/4 underripe fruit. That boosts the natural pectin level. Carol |
Thanks, everyone. Carol - I think I'll get some more strawberries and try that recipe. Sounds really good. The strawberries were pretty ripe and I ended up freezing the ones leftover (they were starting to spoil and it wasn't as many as I'd thought). lpinkmountain - you're right about the sauce, it's good w/biscuits, kinda like strawberry gravy. Thanks again, everyone. It's nice to be able to come here and get so much help. |
- Posted by lpinkmountain 5b/6a border PA (My Page) on Sat, Jun 7, 08 at 22:53
Yes, I think part of my trouble was PA strawberries. My previous strawberry jam experiences have been with MI berries, which are totally different in taste and seem less watery. I didn't like MD blueberries as well either when I went to a Upick two years ago with some friends--the blueberries were bland and watery! MI has got some darn good fruit, IMHO. That's one thing I really miss! When I used to work at the ag research station, I think I remember hearing that MI was one state that could give the PA Northwest a run for the money, agriculturally speaking, except for our darn unpredictable winters! |
- Posted by readinglady z8 OR (My Page) on Sun, Jun 8, 08 at 6:04
Michigan and Oregon are the two top contenders for cherries, especially pie cherries and maraschinos. But we seem to have divided up responsibilities, LOL, so we're not competing against each other. Michigan does the maraschinos without stems and we do the ones with stems. Right now the PNW is the one with the unpredictable weather, thanks largely to La Nina. It's 15 degrees below the average for June. June 5 was the coldest on record. That and pouring rain means that right now my "garden" is sitting in the original trays on the patio. We got the garden composted and cultivated but it's never dried out long enough to plant. For tomatoes I'm choosing varieties purely on the basis of shortest growing season, preferably hybrids developed at Oregon State's ag station. I don't have much hope of ripening before September. I figure the crop will come on just as the days start to shorten. The horseradish and rhubarb are sure happy, though. Carol |
Tomatoes in Z8 can be started outside as seeds. Here, in Z6, I start tomatoes in April. By June 1, they are over 2 foot tall plants. I am amazed at how fast these collected seeds grape tomatos grew. In about a month, I should start to see some fruits. Its in the 90's here now, and my poor peas and broccoli cant take all that heat. I jusat went out and gave everything a cool shower top cool tt all do down. Luckily, sun has passed over and its mostly in shade now. MY pooor little monmorency cherry tree was planted back in April, and has not come out of dormency very much. Leaf buds are there as are a few half opened leaves. Its as if its fighting for life. I plan to spray it with some 'Harpin' to try and get it to wake up more. |
My company has an intern from Michigan and he looked at me funny when I started talking about cherries...I guess you don't know if you don't grow or pick your own, plus he was from near Ann Arbor rather than the Upper Peninsula. My plain strawberry preserves came out like syrup with berries. Good on pancakes, which is good since I don't eat much jam anyway. My strawberry-peppercorn-mint preserves appear to have set, but there was none left over so I haven't tried them yet. And these were made on the same day, and appeared to set about the same on the plate test. Melissa |
I made a first attempt at strawberry preserves over the weekend and it came out pretty nice. After sitting in the jar, you turn over and 3-4 seconds before it started moving slowly. After it moved to the fridge you can turn over and it doesn't move without shaking/hitting the jar. First I spent quite a bit of time in the store looking for a carton that had the most green berries. There wasn't much so when I cut off the stem I made sure I left as much of the white/green under ripe strawberry as possible. The recipe I found said this was key as it contains the most natural pectin. 1 cup sugar and 1 spoon lemon juice per cup of strawberries. sit for 2 hours. After the mixture started boiling the solid berries were removed from the liquid. I continued cooking the liquid for probably 45 minutes mixing constantly. Add the solid back and cook until it starts boiling again. Then I just put it aside in a can out in the open for 24 hours before moving to the fridge (didn't can it properly to sit outside). |
- Posted by Jenny 4(firstname.lastname@example.com) onSat, Jul 9, 11 at 14:48
Wow, i've had the exact same problems with strawberry jam myself. I'm sorry you're having trouble but I at least feel better knowing it's not just me! I've been canning for many years and all my jams set just fine except the strawberry...EVERY time. I've made several batches this year and have finally given up, the best fix i've found is to call it strawberry ice cream topping. You all have such good advice, I think my problem may be that my berries are allways way too ripe, think i'll add a bit more lemon juice too! |
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Novato Unified School District is taking several approaches, while providing teachers training opportunities to adjust to the "big instructional shift with Common Core," said Julia Kempkey, Novato Unified's director of curriculum and instruction.
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Opec dislikes speculators, or that is what the cartel says.
In the words of Abdalla El-Badri, Opec's secretary general, on Friday speculators are back, not only to crude oil, but into all commodities. "We are not happy… and we do not want to see them to be a factor in prices."
But at this week's meeting in Vienna, others at Opec – and Mr El-Badri has also contributed his bit – have done everything possible to stir speculators back to buy crude oil. Ali Naimi, Saudi oil minister, has been extremely upbeat, even venturing to offer speculators a price forecast for the end of the year. "The price is good, the market is in good shape and the recovery is under way, so what else could we want?"
Mr Naimi, traditionally circumspect about prices, went onto to say ahead of the Opec's meeting that oil prices could surge to $74-$80 by the end of the year. With the most senior Opec official in a rare on the record statement pointing to a potential increase in prices of $20 from pre-Opec's meeting of $60 a barrel, is easy to understand why speculators are betting heavily into rising oil prices. On Friday, the Opec secretary general joined Mr Naimi, saying that the oil rally is likely to continue, forecasting oil prices by the end of the year at least at $70 a barrel.
Is this a real expectation, or are Opec's most senior officials just trying to attract speculators by pushing up the price?
We reported on Thursday that at least some within the cartel are welcoming speculators back to the oil market:
Opec delegates in Vienna said Saudi Arabia appeared confident that the flow of money into commodities – as investors worry about a pick-up in inflation because low interest rates or a further weakening of the US dollar – would help to support oil prices. Speculative flows, long an Opec foe, could turn into an ally, they said.
John van Schaik at Petroleum Intelligence Weekly points in the same direction, but going further adding that Opec is deliberately trying to steer market sentiment an attract speculators:
Opec ministers … now banking on oil market speculators to support prices.
Unable to cut more output to bring the market into balance in the short term, Opec, led by Saudi Arabia, is trying to steer market sentiment away from the current supply overhang and bulging stocks and toward expected higher oil demand later this year and the perceived supply crunch."
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