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He is the former National Security Agency computer specialist contractor who disclosed classified documents from the agency and, working with a British journalist, released some of them to the public.
Snowden currently remains in a form of exile in Russia.
Because of his disclosures, it was revealed the NSA may have been collecting "megadata," retrieving data from communication sources without any pinpointed reason.
Some have called him a hero and some a traitor.
I'm going to answer the question without actually answering it.
There was a time when national security was respected enough even the media held onto secrets it gathered.
Because it was felt the enemies of World War II would feel empowered knowing America's commander in chief was disabled, it was agreed there would be no photographs of Franklin D. Roosevelt taken or published of him in a wheelchair.
Even the late Walter Cronkite, who after retirement from the news anchor's chair showed his comfort with more liberal views, expressed the need to hold tight to military secrets.
"They should have had censorship in Vietnam," Cronkite said in a 2003 interview. "I believe there should be censorship in wartime. I believe it firmly. I'm more comfortable when we are clear that our reporting is not putting our troops in jeopardy and making the job more difficult and prolonging the killing."
Cronkite also said that reporters should be allowed to keep a full report of all they see and hear so that, even if not immediately, it could be opened up eventually as a full account of history.
The general public probably cannot fathom what it really does take to keep our country safe. And, like the old adage about not wanting to know how hot dogs are made, it's probably better kept unsaid.
However, Mr. Snowden has taken a different and dangerous view.
He has revealed thousands of pages of classified military and diplomatic documents with details on the war on terror. He claims it is a public service and will prevent more "criminal activity."
Mr. Snowden must be blind to the heinous acts the worldwide terrorism network has done and continues to attempt. He must also not realize the serious jeopardy his actions do to quell efforts to stop those who wish harm on all free people and democracies.
The word "classified" speaks for itself.
Those who know far more than the general public felt this information should be kept under wraps.
As a reporter, I would never endorse the idea of hindering a free press. I do endorse the idea of a free and responsible press.
In 1962, a New York Times reporter stumbled upon the details of the Soviet missile buildup in Cuba while President John F. Kennedy and his staff were juggling serious options related to the handling of what could have developed into nuclear war.
The president called then-Times publisher Orvil Dryfoos and asked him to hold the story until Kennedy could address the nation.
If the Times had broken that story — and every newspaper wants to break a big story — there is no way to know what that information going public at the time would have done.
Dryfoos made the right and responsible decision and held the story.
Snowden has been charged with espionage and rightly so.
Those who do release classified materials are criminals and should be treated as such.
There is also a black mark on the British journalist who has taken such joy in helping Snowden.
My brethren in the press need to undertake a serious gut check when it comes to reporting on sensitive classified materials, and do nothing to encourage those who seem to take pleasure in doing it with reckless abandon.
Those of us who are not involved in such matters do not know exactly what the government is doing to keep us safe. All that we can know is it seems to be working.
If those efforts fail or are thwarted, the result could be no country for a free press to serve.
Even as liberal a voice as Sen. Dianne Feinstein of California, chair of the Senate Intelligence Committee, weighs in strongly.
"This program, in conjunction with other programs, keeps this country safe," she recently said. "I am not saying it's indispensable, but I am saying it is important, and it is a major tool in ferreting out a potential terrorist attack."
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It's not always easy for families to stay connected today. Parents and children get pulled in different directions—work, school, athletic and social events. As schedules become more and more crowded, finding family time gets more and more difficult. One way to help stay connected is for parents and kids to volunteer together for community projects.
During the recent economic downturn, organizations reported a greater need for volunteers. More than one-third of Americans volunteer their time to others, according to a recent Gallup poll. As parents model active involvement in their communities, children and adolescents can learn about the caring and sharing, giving and taking that lead to a sense of belonging—to their families, and also to a wider world beyond the home.
In addition to the obvious benefits that volunteering brings to the people and organizations that are helped, it also brings a number of benefits to both kids and the family as a whole:
- Children who see their parents volunteering learn the value of giving back to their community and how each of us can make the world a better place, starting with where we live.
- Kids gain a wider perspective on the diverse ways in which people live. They learn to respect people of different backgrounds, abilities, ethnicities, and income levels.
- Bonding occurs when families work together as a team and focus on a task.
- Children and adolescents gain self-esteem and develop confidence and a sense of pride as they discover that what they do can make a difference.
Children gain valuable life skills and experiences such as:
- Making and keeping a commitment, including how to be on time and complete assignments.
- Gaining exposure to a variety of settings – political and civic organizations, hospitals, clinics, schools, and volunteer groups. This can plant the seeds for a future career, or simply give insight into how these institutions work.
- Working as a team and possibly taking on leadership roles.
- Experiencing some control over what happens in their own lives and communities.
- Developing a new appreciation of what they have by being exposed to others whose circumstances may be different. For instance, a middle-school age child who is constantly agitating for the latest toy may have a different perspective after encountering homeless families while volunteering at a soup kitchen.
There are also some distinct benefits for children with certain mental health diagnoses:
- Kids who have attention deficit and/or hyperactivity disorders can put that energy to great use outside the confines of the classroom and home, where so many tasks require sitting and concentrating for extended periods of time. For older kids, a building project like those sponsored by Habitat for Humanity, or volunteering at a park or community garden, could provide a great outlet and a chance to build self-esteem. In these settings, the issues often perceived as a problem can potentially become a strength.
- Many children with mental health disorders have difficulty gaining acceptance from their peers. Volunteering to work with younger kids in a big brother or big sister program, or visiting older people in a nursing home, can be a great source of validation and self-esteem and build social confidence.
Getting started
Contact community agencies such as hospitals, clinics, religious organizations, boys and girls clubs, and charities. The Internet provides a wealth of information about volunteer opportunities, and many local communities have volunteer clearinghouses.
Think about practical matters such as your child's interests and abilities, your own interests and abilities, location, amount of time available, method of transportation, and other logistics.
Avoid making unrealistic time commitments, and take children's ages into consideration. Younger children, for example, may need shorter sessions than teenagers. Consider your child's individual temperament. A shy child may need to start slowly; an overly exuberant child may function best with structure.
Start early and keep it simple. If your child has a particular interest, you can use it as a springboard into volunteering. For example, a child who loves animals may enjoy helping out at an animal society or shelter.
Positive early experiences with other people and with their community form the basis for children's growing appreciation of the wider world. Young and early elementary school children want to please others and would benefit from short, action-oriented tasks, rather than sedentary projects.
Families and younger children can volunteer together:
- to help clean up and beautify a playground or a beach
- work at a community food bank
- take on a home baking project for a fund-raising bake sale
- collect food and clothing for emergency relief
- work at a community garden that provides fresh produce to the hungry
- make small picture or notebooks for local hospital waiting rooms for children to doodle on
- plant flowers or otherwise help maintain local parks or school grounds
- bring simple gifts or home cooked meals to sick or shut-in neighbors
- spend time at a facility for elderly people; read, play games and hear their stories, and learn to interact with people of different generations
With a few adjustments, the above activities can be appropriate for just about any age. Older kids have even more options available.
Middle school kids are enthusiastic about contributing to a cause, and although they are capable of planning, they still need some adult guidance. Children of this age can:
- tutor younger children
- sew, make, or repair items needed for local shelters
- care for animals in a shelter or volunteer to pet-sit for friends or neighbors
- join in the fund-raising efforts of a charity of their choice
- work on projects to improve their own environments, such as shoveling snow, raking leaves, or cleaning sidewalks at a local park
High school students, who are capable of relating and responding to the concerns and needs of others in a more mature way, can take a broad view. They can:
- identify community needs and create plans of action
- provide childcare
- teach children and adults how to read
- work in the offices of schools, clubs, and community organizations
- organize a car wash or another type of fund-raising event with proceeds going to benefit a nonprofit organization or a specific cause
- volunteer at a homeless shelter
- get involved in an environmental group
Children do best when they live in a home where each individual's contribution to the well-being of the family and the functioning of family life is appreciated.
Whether it's done as a family or by an individual child, volunteering translates these attitudes and qualities to the world at large. It is never too early to engage children in charitable activities, and no act is too small—teach toddlers to share toys, have your child accompany you when bringing home baked cookies to a new neighbor, or encourage your teen to volunteer in an after-school program for younger kids. These actions allow children and teens to understand their value as a person, and to value others—and helping others—as well.
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My family loves pasta. It's comfort food on cold Minnesota days and makes a great Sunday family dinner. But eating at Olive Garden can be a challenge when you're trying to watch your weight, so we make this healthy version at home instead. I love how simple it is - you don't have to cook the noodles first, just put them in dry and they cook while it's baking. Leftovers make great lunches and can even be frozen in single-serve container for future use. Submitted by DEFORREST
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GRAND JUNCTION, Colo. (KKCO)-- The Fruita Monument Wildcats and Delta Panthers put up clean sweeps on Thursday night.
FMHS (5-1) defeated Eagle Valley at Fruita Monument and Delta (2-1) knocked out Central (2-4).
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The Boston-area retail grocery and restaurant industries are thriving, wholesalers say.
Attendance at a Northeast foodservice show Henry Wainer went to in mid-March was as high as it's been in a decade.
If that's a sign of things to come, the region should be in for a good summer, as restaurants continue to bounce back from the recession, said Wainer, president of New Bedford, Mass.-based Sid Wainer & Son.
"We're cranking along very nicely and hoping for another good season," he said.
Both channels have been performing well for Coosemans Boston Inc., Chelsea, Mass., said Maurice Crafts, salesman.
"We're pleased with both foodservice and retail," Crafts said.
"More of our business is foodservice, but they're doing equally well."
Some of Coosemans' big sellers, like avocados, hydroponic lettuce, fingerling potatoes and radicchio, do well at retail and foodservice, Crafts said.
Others, such as spring mix, are a better fit for foodservice because of packaging limitations.
"We do the 3- and 4-pound packs, but not clamshells" on spring mix, Crafts said.
The Boston-area restaurant industry, after a fallow period, seems to be in good shape now, Crafts said.
"The last couple of years, it may not have been the case, but they seem to be doing fine now," he said.
"Everyone's confident that things are getting better."
More and more, Crafts sees area chefs shopping on the terminal market. And new restaurants have started opening in Boston again.
The retail and foodservice sectors have felt the effects of an economy that is still sluggish, despite recent employment and other news to the contrary, said Steven Piazza, president and treasurer of Everett, Mass.-based Community-Suffolk Inc.
Everyone's looking for value, Piazza said. If a good deal pops up, Boston-area grocery stores and restaurants are all over it, he said.
High-priced or even normally priced items are another story.
On the retail end, many area stores are running "Wacky Wednesday" promotions (or less colorfully named weekend versions of the same thing) to move big volumes of staples consumers can afford, Piazza said.
In foodservice, many area restaurants are running price-fixed menus to keep costs down, he said.
That belt-tightening trickles down to the wholesale produce level.
Constant promotions are once again a hallmark of the Boston-area retail grocery market, said Richie Travers, treasurer and secretary of Chelsea-based Travers Fruit Co.


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I saved all my copies of this wonderful magazine from around 2000-2001. Sadly today when doing a google on them I found out that they were discontinued. They are available on EBay and Amazon and other places.
I'm sure that I got the instructions from one of the magazines for the atached photo of one I did so long ago. If I ever get back into quiling I'll make another one |
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That's so pretty! It looks very intricate. I have some miniature patterns, but mostly I just make something up in EQ and scale it to the size I want, or I just make "normal" blocks in a smaller size. Donna |
Thanks I appreciate the compliment. I love to look thru these magazines. I think with your EQ you can have as many Minis as you want !! |
Just lovely! I have done three large quilts using that pattern and I loved them all. Don't know if I want to tackle a mini though. Theresa |
What a beautiful little quilt! I don't have EQ so I just kind of guess on scaling and hope for the best. Last night I was playing with a shadow pattern and really struggled with scale. It just didn't turn out like I wanted it to. |
When I get them arranged by issue then you can ask me if a certain pattern is in a particular issue and then I can direct you to it . I think there were 20 or so patterns in each one. As an off topic Crocheted Quilts this is an afghan I did and it looks like my miniquilt |
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I love minis, but tend to just re-scale a regular block and create it myself. Or just get paper piecing papers already printed. I like your quilts. I also know this pattern as "Lover's Knot". Eleanor Burns has a book with this pattern. I did placemats for a friend in it. |
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9 God, I shall sing to thee a new song; I shall say psalm to thee in psaltery of ten strings (yea, I shall sing a song to thee to the strains of a ten-stringed lute). | 9 I will sing a new song to you, O God; on the ten-stringed lyre I will make music to you, |
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I am 15 years old and I love cooking and looking at different recipes online. I do it in my free time and this year (2012) I am cooking my first Thanksgiving dinner . Wish me luck! (I know it'll be amazing, ya'll are missing out ) I would love to start my own cooking or food blog and even have my own cooking show! Dream big, right?


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11 And he answered and said unto them, He that hath two coats, let him impart to him that hath none; and he that hath food, let him do likewise. | 11 John answered, "The man with two tunics should share with him who has none, and the one who has food should do the same." |
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text: Looking for Genet brings together twenty-five of Chester's notorious essays and reviews, including pieces on Nabokov's Pale Fire ("a total wreck, and for one reason: it's not funny, and it's supposed to be"), Burroughs's Naked Lunch ("the first half is pleasantly readable without too much skipping, the second is pleasantly skippable without too much yawning"), and Updike's Pigeon Feathers ("a god who has allowed a writer to lavish such craft upon these worthless tales is capable of anything"). Here too are sketches from his penniless bohemian life in Paris, seven "Letters from Morocco" written for the New York Herald Tribune, and Chester's final piece -- the half-mad, previously unpublished "Letter from the Wandering Jew," a howl of rage and despair from his hated final home, Jerusalem. Together these pieces are testament to the life and the talent of the Sixties' most memorable literary iconoclasts.


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So, I hear you say, wouldn't it be neat if there was one place with all the world's safety wisdom gathered on it, and where sensible people like you could go and add your bit, and there was all sorts of stuff explaining operational concepts that you one day meant to go and understand properly.
Indeed it might: so welcome to Skybrary, brought to you by Eurocontrol with considerable support from Flight Safety Foundation and ICAO. ("Skybrary" – damn I wish I'd thought of that – but Dr Christine Shea did instead.)If you're a denizen of blogs then you're very likely familiar with the concept of wikis. If you're not then you probably still know about Wikipedia with all its strengths and weaknesses. That's the wiki to beat, but the underlying mechanism of the wiki can be used for any subject matter you like.
The great perceived weakness of Wikipedia is infamously that every loony, ignoramus, and downright devious schemer can go onto it and change items. And the great strength of it is that so can everyone else. Hopefully the latter category outweighs the first three.
Skybrary tries to get round the aforementioned weakness by screening contributors before they're allowed to run riot on the site. And it looks as if you really do get screened – at least lightly. You have to send them an email telling them who you are and what you do.
The inventors have high hopes for the whole thing, intending to be "the single point of reference" for safety matters within three years. Grand projet! Good luck.


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May 18, 2013 MAGIC EBTA - Who is with us?
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DH and I had our TA book this for us. She called several hours ago with our cabin #. We went for cheap:rotfl:, but not inside.
We had been waiting to book the WBTA, but no word on that as of yet. May still be in the cards for us when/if it becomes available. This will be our 1st TA. Hope you will share your wisdom with us if you have done one before. |
We have done the WBTA but not the EBTA, we too were hoping to do the WBTA, with a B2B on the med before. When they didn't post a WB and we read the ship most likely would be in dry dock before coming home, we decided to book the EBTA. We loved Gilbralter and Madeira. Hope to get to know you before this wonderful adventure. Val & Bob |
We're with you and started another thread. :headache:
At this point it will be six of us me, dh, dd (then almost 19- but she has a Navy ROTC cruise for summer training so we might have to cancel her), ds (then almost 15), dd (she turns 9 on the cruise), and ds (8). It'll be the second TA for oldest dd and I. Trying to plan what to do for a few days after, and we're open to suggestions. |
Let's get this party started!
We'll be officially joining this party tomorrow! Count us as another wanting the WBTA, but doing the EBTA instead due to some scheduling on our end. That's okay, though, I think we'll have an amazingly magical trip! Our family is: Me DH DD1 (Will be almost 4 when we sail) DD2 (Will be almost 5 when we sail) We have our eyes on either a 7A or 5C, depending on the cost. We'll see what tomorrow brings!! |
Welcome!! When I booked this morning, about 9:30 PST, the CM said there was a lot of room available but the suites were all gone. Good Luck. Looking forward to planning a great trip with everyone. Val & Bob |
I was really surprised how fast and easy it was to get through to DCL this morning. In the past, when I have called on the first day new cruises were offerred I have had to wait for hours. I had no trouble getting through to DCL this morning. Did the rest of you find there was a long wait time?
I am going to be joining you! On the cruise it will be me (Meredith) and my husband (Clark). We have been talking about doing the TA for awhile, but the timing seems to actually work for us to do it next May. I am soooooooo excited I can't even put it into words. I think we are going to stay in Europe for a couple of days after the cruise. Is anyone else? Meredith |
My dad and I are joining you all (or y'all...we are sailing from Texas, right?! haha)!! :cool1:
We scored a sideways inside room...anyone have any experience with these? |
We're booked...this will be my 4th TA on DCL. Best cruises ever!:cool1:
I've thrown a deposit down on one of the cheapest cabins (locking in that early pricing!) but no idea this far out whether I'll be able to get leave. We shall see! :cool1:
DH was in touch with our TA last night checking on ports, etc. for this cruise, and decided to not go with the booking. We will hold out for the WBTA. Fortunately, we have several other cruises coming up so I'm not totally bumbed out. Just packed the car to head to The World to celebrate DH's Birthday.
I know you'll have a wonderful time, and plan follow you here on your Magical journey.:disrocks: By the way Val, your photo looked familiar, and I thought perhaps we have cruised with you and Bob before. :confused3 Perhaps I just noticed it on another thread. |
We booked this am also! It will be myself DH and DD she'll be 10 at time of sailing. We did EBTA last year and it was the best vacation of our life. Let the countdown begin!!!!
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I need some advice on whether or not to put HardiBoard or Vinyl Siding. Does anyone have any ideas on cost difference? |
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Hardiboard is much more expensive, and in my opinion, worth every cent. Buying it prepainted from the factory automatically gives you a 15 year warranty on the paint. It doesn't ding or crack and continues to look great. If you can do it without breaking the bank, I'd say go for it. Jo |
- Posted by sprice5105 (My Page) on Wed, Mar 5, 08 at 14:30
My exact dilemma! I was determined to go with Hardi-board but when I went to the building supply they showed me a very high-end vinyl that has great colors and a foam backing that adds insulation. They actually said it was more expensive than the Hardi-board for the material but the labor would be cheaper. Oddly enough I can't seem to get anyone to give me an exact $ figure of the price difference between the two. Granted, we are that far in the build yet (foundation walls being put in as we speak) but I would like some idea of an exact price. That will help make my decision. I LOVE the Hardi-board but this vinyl looks great, not like the cheap builders grade vinyl I have seen before. I think the brand is Royal Building Products. But, I want my house to either be a dark sage green (like the mountain sage color of hardi) or dark taupe. If I use hardi, I am more likely to do the green because I can paint it someday if I get tired of it. If we do vinyl, DH will want me to do dark taupe since it is more "classic". I will be interested to see the advice on this thread. |
Our last house had vinyl and our current house is Hardiplank. I love our Hardiplank. It is fire- resistant and insect resistant. It holds paint beautifully. |
We have hardiplank. I don't have the numbers in front of me but I think it added about $7,000.00 to the price of the siding. I think it was well worth it. 50 year warranty on the product (not the paint job). I doubt you will find anyone who says they wish they had NOT used fiber cement. People love this product. My DH thinks I'm a little crazy but I fully expect that global warming will show itself in the form of wacky weather, including large hail storms. I know that Hardiplank will stand up. It looks great and has a very solid feel to it. It's labor intensive to install. Certainly, if you use hardiplank, you have to have an experienced installer. Our builder usually does vinyl siding himself but he hires a sub for the hardiplank requests. You should get a slight break on homeowners insurance also, due to the fire resistance. |
- Posted by mainecoonkitty (My Page) on Wed, Mar 5, 08 at 16:52
I wanted Hardiplan and did some research on it. The factory painted is about 3 times the cost of high end vinyl, and the primed, but not painted is about double the cost. If you go with the primed, you'll also have to factor in the cost of painting it on site. It can be repainted at any time if you want to change the color, but will have to be totally repainted about every 15 yrs. If you have a single story house, that's not a big deal, but if like me, you have a 2 story, built on a walk-out basement over a ravine, with multiple roof gables, painting becomes a headache or something that's best left to a pro. Factoring all that in, as much as I love the Hardi, it was just cost prohibitive. |
- Posted by brutuses (firstname.lastname@example.com) on Wed, Mar 5, 08 at 17:12
We have hardiplank and we opted to have someone paint it after it was installed. I believe it was already primed before installation. Just 2 coats of paint. A lot cheaper for us that way. |
- Posted by flgargoyle (My Page) on Wed, Mar 5, 08 at 17:28
I don't think there's any comparison- the Hardi is a lot better looking and more durable. I have vinyl on a shed here in FL, and the side in the sun cracked after 8 years or so. Also, with Hardi, if you decide to change the color of your house (any people do), it takes paint well. I don't know if you can paint vinyl or not. |
- Posted by brutuses (email@example.com) on Thu, Mar 6, 08 at 0:14
lsst, your home is beautiful. Do you by any chance have a straight on photo of the front that would show your stairs and railings? We need to install brick stairs in our new house and I would like a railing, but can't picture in my mind how to design it. From what I can see from yours it is very pretty and something I could maybe get some ideas. Thanks so much, I appreciate it. |
Thanks brutuses! I will look through my photos and if I do not have one I will get out the digital and take one and post it. It is a very simple design. |
I'm reading that people have "painted" the hardiplank - any thoughts on which holds up better - paint OR solid stain? Thanks. |
Our hardi was painted on site. It holds paint very well. |
Just received a comparative bid for our home, vinyl vs Hardi....Holy Cr*p!!! $3250 for the vinyl installed, vs $20,000 for the painted Hardi! We need to start cost cutting, is this a place? Seems like a candidate to me. |
- Posted by mainecoonkitty (My Page) on Tue, Apr 22, 08 at 11:35
Honestly, I love the Hardi and if cost were no object, I would have chosen it. But the cost difference is prohibitive and you also have to factor in that it will need to be repainted (depending on your location/weather conditions) in 10-15 yrs. On a two story house, built over a walk-out, which makes the top nearly 3 stories from the ground, those painting costs will be high as well, probably about $15,000 - $20,000 in 10 yrs. I couldn't justify that extra cost, so I went with a high end vinyl that I've used before on another house. It held up beautifully with no problems and still looks nearly new on that house. If you're comparing a very low end builder's grade of vinyl to Hardi, then of course you'll see more fading and wear on the vinyl than the Hardi, but there are plenty of options available in vinyl these days and it's come a long way in terms of fade-resistance and durability. I just couldn't justify triple to quadruple the cost for the pre-painted Hardi. |
We want a board and batten look for our house. We were considering Hardipanels with real wood battens, cedar or green lumber. We did not want vinyl. Our draftsman showed us a board & batten vinyl product but I didn't even look at it because we knew that we didn't want vinyl. Well, after looking at a newly built home with horizontal Hardiplank in person, it looked just like vinyl to us. . . not like wood which we thought it was supposed to look like. After considering the material cost, labor cost and more importantly the maintenance of our options (also have a 2-story plus walkout on a very narrow sloped area), and exploring vinyl more, we decided to go with CertainTeed's board & batten. IMO, if you go with vinyl, you should go with a very high grade and make sure that it is installed properly to withstand expansion and contraction. |
KandKWi - those quotes seem "off" to me. Firstly, the vinyl seems very low and the hardi seems high. We have a single story, walk out basement (about a 1700 sq.ft footprint) and our hardi bid was about $14,000, if I recall correctly. The vinyl bid was about $7,000.00. Should you cost cut here? It depends on how badly you want the hardiplank. There are a lot of very nice looking vinyl houses. Not the end of the world to skip the hardiplank. However, if you really want hardiplank, would you consider getting another bid? |
We are going with Certainteed weather boards. Our early quote was 22,000 for the painted, 18,000 for the primed. Several things that I would like to add to the discussion. It is probably cheaper to have the fiber cement product painted than to buy the pre-painted. There is a 15 year warranty on the color coated stuff, but a good quality paint manufacturer's warranty is probably just as good.( Think Sherwin Williams or Benjamin Moore) Also, you will most likely end up with a better looking house with the primed, then painted house. The Color siding has to have color matched caulk, and has to be touched up by a siding installer, not a painter. Secondly, I'm not sure comparing fiber cement products to Vinyl is really all that fair. The Fiber Cement is a far superior product, thus the difference in price. The Fiber Cement will not melt, you cannot hear the wind through it, is more resistant to denting and cracking, and is easily replacable if an area does sustain some damage, due to the fact it can be painted. Vinyl is impossible to match after a full summer in the sun. IMHO, the ability to change the color down the road is what sold me on this product. If not for that, we would be going brick all the way, as it is only about $3500 more, or I could choose a cheaper brick and be in the same price range. One more thing... kandkwi: I hope this helps!!! |
The quote was from two different suppliers of the Hardi and was only for the siding and install. Not sure of the quality of vinyl quoted was, but even it was double the amount quoted, the Hardi is still almost 3 times more. Regarding hearing the wind, well, it will be going over an ICF home, so that isn't an issue. The footprint of the house is a single story 2160 sq ft with walkout and three car garage. So not a small amount of Hardi. Thanks for the opinions. |
- Posted by cleverusername (My Page) on Tue, Apr 22, 08 at 21:11
My builder told me he gets 150 per square to install vinyl and 300 per square to install fiber cement. That does not include painting. Factor in the paint and I could see 3 times being pretty close. I chose a nice vinyl for cost reasons. I would have gone with fiber cement but wanted to spend that 10k on other things. Building has a lot of compromises, this was one for us. |
- Posted by november_2008 (My Page) on Thu, May 1, 08 at 16:49
I need to paint the outside of my house. In considering the difference between the Hardy Board and Vinyl siding here is my question. This may sound dumb but here it goes. The old wood that exists now with chipping paint, does that have to be pulled down before the hardy or vinyl siding is applied? Since a great deal of the boards need to be replaced and are probably rotting I cannot see putting the Hardy or Vinyl over but I do not know the procedure. Can someone enlighten me. |
I am in the process of finishing my house as we speak. Maybe it is the area you guys live in, but these prices seem ridiculous. I paid appox. $3,000.00 on the Hardi and $3,000.00 to install it. All it required to install it was a few diamond blades on a circular saw to cut it, a nail gun, and galvanized nails. Mine was installed with face nailing for increased strength in high winds because I live in south Louisiana. The Hardi I got was pre-primed and I painted it myself for a cost of about $900.00. My house is 2,500 sqft Living and a two-car garage plus a 10'x8' shed. |
- Posted by sierraeast (My Page) on Thu, May 1, 08 at 20:50
M, The existing should be pulled for numerous reasons. It gives you an opportunity to address any water damaged/rot areas of the framing. It also gives you an opportunity to add items such as exterior receptacles or lighting, extra hose bibs,etc. New housewrap can be applied along w/ flashings for windows,doors, other protrusions, to make a tighter house. If you have inferior insulation or none at all in the walls, cellulose can be blown in the stud cavaties from the outside. It's possible to fur out over the existing siding, but is a band aid fix over the rotting boards you mentioned, and all trims,lighting, receptacles would have to be extended as well. Doable and the furring strips could be housewrapped as well, but imo, better to strip the existing. |
- Posted by davidandkasie (My Page) on Fri, May 2, 08 at 10:30
my house is brick and has cedar planks at each gable. i am seriously considering removing the cedar and putting up hardiplank in it's place. i DON'T like vinyl. it is just too prone to damage for me. every one i know who has vinyl has a warped spot from either the sun or from the heat off their vehicle. my wife's grandfather has a huge warped spot under his carport where the radiant heat from his truck warped it the 1st summer it was up! |
- Posted by ronnatalie (My Page) on Fri, May 2, 08 at 16:58
D&K, cheap vinyl is certainly a problem. I can usually tell builder grade vinyl jobs from 200 yards. If you pay a bit extra you can get stuff that looks more like real claps (I paid for the sole reason to not have the dumbass fake woodgrain embossed in mine). Of course the more expensive vinyls are probably getting close to the cement siding. The installation for vinyl is still cheaper than hardiplanks though. We're having hardi panel put up in the top band of our house (stucco in the middle, stone below). |
- Posted by wallykasey (My Page) on Sat, May 3, 08 at 18:31
Hardi is not the ONLY cement-fibre siding that is available. There are others.....example Primaplank. It's always a good idea to shop around and look at alternatives. |
When we had builders bid on our house, I made it clear we wanted fiber cement. It was installed and painted on site. We found several builders that worked it into a quote that would have worked for us. We built a new-old home, (Southern Plantation Colonial Revival) so vinyl would not have worked. It just depends upon priorities. If fiber cement is important, then do it and cut back on other areas. If it is not that important, then use vinyl. |
Hands down, without a doubt, go with Hardi. Don't turnaround, drop the vinyl and don't think twice. Yes, the hardi is more exensive - but it will more than pay for itslef in lower utility bills and longer life - my guess is you wont have to replace or paint it in your time in the house. Vinyl will look like crap in 5 years, plus it pops, cracks and just overall looks very poor in comparison (my opinion) Sorry - but you will get what you pay for if you go vinyl - I dont even care if its insulated - its still insulated vinyl. Thats kind of like putting lipstick on a pig. Too many people buy cheap (be it appliance, furnaces, etc) when a little xta $$ up front saves money in the long run. |
FYI Over 15 years, James Hardie ColorPlus Products will save on average $5,000 in painting costs compared to site painting unfinished James Hardie Products, and $10,000 in painting costs compared to wood siding. * James Hardie Siding Products with ColorPlus Technology provide the #1 Return on Investment and superior siding value for remodeling projects according to Remodeling Magazine's annual "Cost vs. Value Report" (2007). Eliminates the need for an additional contractor (painter), which adds on average 5 days to your project. *actual costs savings may vary. Based on average repainting cost of a 3,000 sq ft home. **actual cost savings may vary. Based on average insurance costs of $1,900 a year. |
Cookpr, Can you explain how Hardiplank will "pay for itslef [sic] in lower utility bills?" I'm not aware of hardiplank providing any sort of insulation value. klabio |
I received a discount on my home insurance as Hardi-board is rated equal to a brick home. |
"I'm not aware of hardiplank providing any sort of insulation value." Everything has an insulation value. It is to late for me to go look up cement siding, but it going to be higher than 1/8 inch of vinyl. They are adding some more insulation on the vinyl to make up for the very small R value it has. |
Brickeye, I'm sure you're right, but the poster made claims that fiber cement siding would pay for itself in lower utility bills. That seems like a serious stretch and I can't imagine the payoff calculation working out. I googled "R value fiber cement" and came up with an R-Value of 0.15. There are many reasons to pick fiber cement but I can't imagine lower utility bills is one of them. |
I just had my high end vinyl replaced, 6 year old Certainteed. faded terribly bad, when they took it off alot of it broke since it had become britlle. took 8 months of battling with them to get them to replace it. soooo even high end might be junk |
Does anyone here have real-life, long-term experience with fiber cement siding? Specifically, I am wondering if the Colorplus, which is guaranteed, I think, for 15 years, will actually need repainting in 15 years? For such an extensive process compared to site painting with BM, Behr, Cali, etc., that is warranteed for 10 years, I wonder if you really get more than 15 years? We are facing the same dilemma. After 20 years of keeping paint on an antique house, DH does NOT want to ever have to paint a house again...and we should be in new house for the next 20+ plus years. If vinyl would have to be replaced in that time, anyway, then paying for another paint job would probably make sense, if it had to be done. But...will it really? |
- Posted by sierraeast (My Page) on Fri, May 9, 08 at 9:52
I think exterior materials and their longevity is dependent on geographic location despite mfgr's claims /warranties. Roofing, sidings, paints all seem to have different life spans in different parts of the country. Composition shingles dont come close to their claimed lifespan here in the mojave desert and vinyl sidings are rare because it gets brittle and cracks although there is a house w/ vinyl siding and trim here in town that has held up well and has been on there for over ten years. I personally dont care for vinyl but am surprised that particular house has held up in the dry of the desert. |
What do you mean by "composition shingles"? Do you have them and did they fail prematurely? Still interested in actual, real-life experience with the lifespan of prefinished fiber cement color, particularly in the NE or northern midwest type of climates. |
I have the same questions as hadley. Anybody? |
i am assuming SE is talking about comp shingles on a roof. Your 40 yr composition shingle roof will not last 40 yrs in the real world. |
- Posted by sierraeast (My Page) on Sat, Jun 14, 08 at 17:14
Hey Mikeyvon, Yeah I should have stated i was just using composition roofing shingles as an example to the others. Thanks! |
Anyone with paint peeling/cracking on HardiePlank Colorplus lap siding [the pre-painted stuff] please email me. Particularly interested in Canadian and the Northern States. thanx. |
Ponydoc, your new old house is beautiful. |
csimpson...I too live in Louisiana, North Louisiana, and I'm hearing from the builders that hardi-plank is not that much higher than vinyl but the labor could be higher. Not many in the area that can install this correctly. I am building a 2000-2100 sf home and I'm curious ...is the price you gave for the entire house or front only? A lot of the homes in my area use it only on the front of the house and brick on the sides and back. |
I know I'm chiming in a bit late here, but I have newly installed Hardie as well (Monterey Taupe), and we absolutely love it. As everyone else has mentioned, it was more expensive than vinyl and cost more to install, but it looks great on the house, and we anticipate it holding up well over time. There are definitely some nice vinyl products out there, Cedar Impressions for example, but in the end of the day, I agree that cement board is an all around superior product. |
- Posted by scottyryan (My Page) on Mon, Mar 9, 09 at 0:11
I have been looking at a lot of new construction and talking to a lot of builders over the past several months (St Paul, MN area). Nothing has touched the quality, look, and durability of HardiePlank siding. It is well worth the $$$, even at three times the cost of vinyl. |
Built our house just about two and half years ago and used the factory finished ColorPlus HardiPlank product. For the most part, the house looks beautiful, however, there are sections where the finish is literally peeling off to the bare bones. The company has been here to look at the problem and has promised to make due on the warranty and replace the affected boards this Spring. We did a lot of research before choosing this product, but wished I had looked on this site first, where I've learned from a lot of people who are having the very same problem. |
Comparing Hardi Board to the Vinyl Siding that is foamed backed, is like comparing apples to oranges. The foam on the back of the vinyl holds shape and does not "wave" and it does add an insulation factor.....I have seen this installed on several homes, and if you can find the color you want, it looks great. |
We are thinking of going with high end vinyl(Craneboard) or Hardi but can't seem to come to a decision. Our main concern is the siding going to last 25-30 years? We don't want to end up selling our house and having to replace the vinyl. Anyone have any insight? |
- Posted by carterinms (My Page) on Tue, May 12, 09 at 12:49
KandKwi - the hardi has to be screwed to the ICF. That adds some cost. Not sure about the vinyl - but I wouldn't think that nailing vinyl into ICF is going to be durable. I had to special order screws - the installer specified a flatter head screw than the standard. There was a specific screw on the Nudura website that cost a lot from the one quote I got - I was able to order something comparable at a local supplier for around a third less. We purchased all the materials (including the colorplus hardi) - that saved a lot. Our installer was one of the few good subs we have had - it looks great. I did not price the high-end vinyl, but have seen too many houses with vinyl damage after hurricanes to bother with the cheaper stuff. That, and the trim work always looks cheap! BTW, a couple of weeks ago, I saw a mobile home with vinyl log siding. Sweet! ;) |
I've read through this post and I'm surprised that no one has mentioned LP's composite siding as an alternative to fiber cement or vinyl siding. Play the video and watch the sledge crack the fiber cement siding (I know, sort of and extreme example unless you live in tornado or hurricane alley and then don't actually get hit directly). We have aluminum siding on the upper gable portion of the house and brick below. Thankfully, the aluminum is white and so even the chalky, fading 1982 paint still looks good. Also, aluminum dents easily and so kids playing ball and Frisbee have not dented it because it is up high. This is not the case with the neighbor's fully aluminum sided house. Here is the link, and no I don't work for LP or their distributors. I do support sustainable forestry and this product is made from a renewable resource, aspen trees, in Wisconsin: |
Here is a link that might be useful: LP Smart Siding
If your going to do vinyl, crane makes some good stuff. Up to a 7 inch reveal so it looks like hardy, foam backing that adds insulation and sound deadening, and very durable due to the foam. The vinyl is thick and would think it would take a pretty hard hit to damage it at all. Mine is the Crane double 7. For size reference, the front lower windows are 6 feet tall. |
- Posted by JWilson519(email@example.com) onSat, Jul 4, 09 at 11:56
RE: the question of HardiePlank finish durability: I live in an apartment complex, while my house project drones on forever, with 12 buildings finished from 1992-94. According to the maintenance super, who was hired at that time, the Hardie siding on each (@ 3 stories) was painted after installation at that time and has not been re-painted. This is just outside of Atlanta, GA. He says the only problems with it have come from rot where the contractor installed it, on garages, "too close" to the ground. I'm would take the Hardi Plank in a heartbeat but for the cost (anticipated; I have no bids back yet), and the chance for the premium vinyl finish to outlast (I'm using white) even the Hardie finish. Because the numbers haven't been posted yet: the premium vinyl is .55 thick (vs. .40 for the standard) from Royal. Certainteed and Fullback advertise a R-5 value, and all three offer a 3/4" profile with a finish that looks as "convincing" as the Hardieplank (though I don't personally find that very convincing ... or relevant in my case). The added thickness, depth of profile, and insulation add considerable rigidity. And the warranty, fwiw, is substantial. I'll post the result of my bids, which should be returned this week. JWilson |
You'll probably save on insurance with Hardie. |
We have hardi and our insurance company rates our home the same as a brick home. |
- Posted by jwilson519 (My Page) on Mon, Jul 6, 09 at 17:28
I visited a local lumber supply store (not a big box) to price Hardie Plank with Color Plus and Certainteed premium vinyl siding with foam backing. The "manager" who handles pricing is on vacation but the guy who waited on me called their supplier. Even so, I wonder about the numbers, because the Certainteed vinyl prices out as 1/3 more expensive! Check my numbers: A Hardie Plank w/Color Plus @ 8.25" (coverage 7") x 12' is priced for $10.53. This comes, if I do my arithmetic right, to $1.50/sf. A Certainteed vinyl with foam backing @ R-5 in a double 5" or double 4" exposure comes to $195/square ($1.95/sf). Even if my numbers are right, I'm not sure they're useful for anyone who doesn't live in my area .... I also went to a contractors web forum and found a discussion comparing costs for the product from (pre-building bust) 2006, and prices seemed to be all over the place, influenced mostly by geography. Contractors in NJ were getting very high labor/matl numbers and KY contractors were barely half of those numbers. Another influence was height: contractors were charging additional for work above 8 feet. In my own case, I'm going to check these numbers as soon as I can find another lumber store that sells both products. If it turns out remarkably different, I'll get back. JWilson |
My experience says you need an inch of foam to get R5. Does it have that? If you have 2 x 4 walls with pink fibreglass you'll have R13 and if you have an outer sheathing thay adds another 4, so thats at R17, very acceptable. As a biased Hardie user, Hardie siding stands for durable, good quality. Vinyl siding stands for cheapo. But thats just me! |
- Posted by jwilson519 (My Page) on Wed, Jul 8, 09 at 13:56
@ srercrcr -- The vinyl is hardly cheap! It looks very good to my eye. AND If you read my post above you'll see that the premium, foam back vinyl is more expensive than Hardie w/Color Plus, by nearly a third! I confirmed the prices yesterday with another lumber company. For my own project, like you I've decided to go with the Hardie and Color Plus because I'm sure of its durability. In addition, the vinyl requires 4-7 proprietary trim pieces to fit right; Hardie allows for a lot of flexibility with trim selection. The mgr of the lumber store yesterday said he supplied the vinyl for a multi-million dollar residence, so I suspect the Certainteed CedarBoard product is something different from what you've experienced. It's cool stuff, but pricey. (To answer your question: the R value is established through testing, as is the R13 of 3.5 in fiberglass. But as I'm sure you know, neither of them account for real world circumstances -- the fiberglass is corrupted by thermal breaks (studs) and gaps in the install that often lower the actual R value of a wall to something like R9 or 10. In the same way, the vinyl isn't continuous and whatever gaps or loose places between planks would seriously deteriorate the effective R value -- whatever either one do is good, of course, but in the case of the vinyl siding, the purpose of the foam is more directed to keeping it firm so it doesn't have the traditional flimsiness of vinyl.) JWilson |
If I were building a house and had a choice between Hardiplank and vinyl I would chose the Hardiplank without hesitation. If I could not afford the Hardiplank I would make the house smaller so that I could avoid using vinyl. The environmental negatives associated with vinyl are huge. I would chose almost any other siding whatsoever in place of vinyl. The only thing I can think of that would be worse is asbestos, and it is now illegal. Rosefolly |
Here is a link that might be useful: Environmental impact of vinyl
I've had Hardie for 13 years now, site painted over the pre-primed. Couldn't be more satified. The paint has not peeled, in fact it's bonded so well, it seems like all one. Someone mentioned rot if too close to the ground. Well the product is mostly cement. I put a cutoff piece of it in water for a day, the "board" had no effects from the water. I guess if I was building today I would consider a composite siding. I have a Trex deck (four years now) and love it. |
- Posted by jwilson519 (My Page) on Tue, Jul 14, 09 at 14:35
@ srercrcr Your experience is true in this area, too. FYI, Hardie's installation instructions insist on 2" between siding and ground, roof, porch, etc., as the boards will decompose. I'm looking at the nichiha as well, to add to rosefolly's post, because it uses so much flyash and their manufacturing plant is only a couple of hours from here. The reduced shipping is good for my $$ and reduces the use of petroleum. And the flyash is also a recycling byproduct. Of the several fiber cement product lines, Hardie surely makes less of their commitment to a 'green' product line. On the other hand, the Nichiha doesn't offer a version of ColorPlus on their plank (though they do on the shakes) so I'd have to pay for six-sided painting onsite. Yes, I agree that vinyl is a pollutant -- several of the premium products use a considerable voume of recycled vinyl in their manufacture which will green it up an awful lot -- Having seen both products, in many ways they are a wash in my opinion ... except for the inflated cost of the premium, insulated vinyl products. That clinches it for me, I think. JWilson |
- Posted by Lschwartz(firstname.lastname@example.com) onMon, Dec 6, 10 at 18:31
DO NOT use vetical vinyl if your house is over 1 story. I had some and the house now has horizontal plus a lot of rot repair from the verical vinyl! Vinyl siding will not keep water off of your house (must be housewrapped) and verical actually holds water in the H channel and could dump it behind as the ends are open. I think horizontal vinyl is junk and vertical vinyl is a disaster! |
- Posted by Siding installer 4 17 yrs(email@example.com) onThu, Apr 7, 11 at 22:10
After years of installing both types of siding here it is quite simple(Hardi siding has a better fire rating that could give you a deduction on insurance and that is the only real advantage. So with that deduction how long will it take to pay for itself)A good grade vinyl siding is just as durable,fade resistant,waterproof,and comes in a wider range of color and options.The installation of vinyl is far more easier then Hardi so alot of so called contractors are installing it incorrect.That gives vinyl a bad name.Hardi siding can rip or tear with settlement of homes.I have seen deteriation of sheathing in several hardi installations.It cannot be in contact with roof shingles or brick.And last but not least it does wick moisture.Vinyl siding does not wick water and can come in contact with other surfaces,vinyl also expands and contracts better with structual settlement.Dollar for dollar I say quality vinyl is superior.Its just like anything else put a big price tag on it and you think its a Rolex. |
- Posted by windowsonwashington (My Page) on Sat, Aug 17, 13 at 0:02
+1 The biggest issue with Hardie is the guys hanging it. Seeing it used on new construction is scary if we are talking track built homes. They look like warmed over...you know what, after only a few years. |
I have no personal experience with Hardie but we sided our new house with Certainteed fiber cement in 2005. Cracks were noticed within the first 20 mo which were blamed on settling. The co replaced the boards but not the labor. Since then we have had cracking, both full thickness and hairline all over the house. The entire south and west side of the house is faded. We are in limbo until we figure out what is going to happen with our siding. We have since found out that the co replaced a good part of the sand in their formula with fly ash beginning in 2002, which has been speculated by some to be the source of their problems. I wonder if Hardie has had any of these problems. Is all fiber cement crap? |
Oh and the Certainteed rep was on site teaching our builder how to install it since it was their first time installing it. But, it was done by the book and beautifully. |
- Posted by windowsonwashington (My Page) on Mon, Aug 19, 13 at 7:46
While I think the Certainteed FC is prettier than Hardie, most guys that install it prefer the Hardie. Some of the guys I know have remarked that the Certainteed is a bit brittle on the edges. The "supposed" best stuff out there is Nichiha. |
I would choose a fiber cement product such as Hardieboard over a vinyl product of any quality under any circumstances. I personally would even reduce the size of the house if that were the only way to afford it. Vinyl is an environmentally nasty substance, both in the manufacturing process and afterwards. IMO, it should only be used when it is the only material that will actually function for the particular purpose. I would not use it for window frames, either. Rosefolly |
- Posted by millworkman (firstname.lastname@example.com) on Tue, Aug 20, 13 at 15:57
Never mind.....thought better of it. |
This post was edited by millworkman on Tue, Aug 20, 13 at 15:58
- Posted by windowsonwashington (My Page) on Tue, Aug 20, 13 at 21:54
Rosefolly, Every material has its environmental drawbacks and implications...including Hardie and FC siding. Depending on the material it is being compared to, vinyl has less of an environmental impact that several of its commonly thought of "green" equivalents. I am not suggesting that you or anyone that doesn't like vinyl put it on your home, but the fact is that unless you are going to start building your homes out of mud, clay, straw bales, etc. nothing about the construction process is very when looking at large scale buildings. I would love for everyone to build a lesser impact home but the economic feasibility of that just does not exist in the real world. What we can do is build smarter and more efficient homes and lessen the long term energy consumption of one of, if not, the largest consumer of energy. Most vinyl used in building is uPVC and therefore lacking in the dioxin and phalate content that is commonly associated with health issues. |
Actually I have seriously considered building a home of light clay and may do so someday. Ideally we should not be building with materials that will not, when we are done with them, be able to return to components that existed in the environment before we intervened. Stone, wood, metal, even ceramic or concrete can eventually break down to ancestor substances. Many plastics will not. The ones I personally object to most vigorously are the vinyls and the styrofoam-related ones. On the other hand, plastics can do wonderful things that other materials simply cannot match. My personal code is that they should be used only when they are the best material, and not when they are merely the cheapest. But I do not make decisions for others, or even want to. You will note that I said what I would do, not what Larimie should do. (In fact, it is just now that I am noticing what an old thread this is. By now the decision has long since been made.) As always, each person must make his or her own decision. It is a wide world, and there is room for difference of opinion. Rosefolly |
- Posted by millworkman (email@example.com) on Wed, Aug 21, 13 at 8:19
wow, thanks for putting my exact thoughts into more appropriate terms (as I probably would not have been so politically correct). |
- Posted by windowsonwashington (My Page) on Wed, Aug 21, 13 at 20:15
Rosefolly, I don't disagree with what you said one bit. Just on the feasibility of it is all. You are quite right in terms of the end stage life cycle and lack of recycle-ability of the product in most cases. Sadly, aluminum is not a good option and wood is a maintenance loaded item that many people would fail miserably with. I agree that the decision is probably long since made but perhaps our conversation and your information will spurn some folks to make alternative considerations of their own. Take Care and keep on posting. WoW |
Thanks, WoW and Millworkman. I drop in now and then, read and learn, and post here once in a while. I am a regular on the garden side. Rosefolly |
We've been talking to a builder about a new house in East Central Florida and he says he face nails Hardie Plank siding - for the extra wind load strenth. But talking to other contractors from Orlando (at a home show) they say that face nailing is a not recommended - due to the extra water intrusion path. Looking at the Hardie Plank site it looks like face nailing is an option if wind loads dictate but blind nailing is th preferred option. Does anyone have any thoughts or experience with face nailing Hardie plank or has looked at these options? Also, how does the precolored vs primed decision relate to face nailing or does it not play into that decision? Thanks in advance for any help. Doug |
Hardi was our first choice but when it came down to it, the cost was too high. My parents vinyl is 17yrs old and still looks as great today as it did the day they put it up, with no painting or maintenance other than a cleaning on the porches occasionally. We quoted Hardi but our insurance was not different using it over vinyl. We wanted something that would have very little maintenance, Hardi - while very pretty, does have considerable maintenance and hefty price tag. Jen |
- Posted by Tommylandz (My Page) on Tue, Aug 5, 14 at 12:54
My wife and I ended up going with Hardie Board for our 1913 farm home makeover and we couldn't be happier. |
Here is a link that might be useful: You can see our makeover progress pictures here
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I found some beautiful shower fixtures from a European company and thought I'd seen a recent bathroom remodel photo here that featured the white ceramic shower rose. They don't seem to have much of a distribution network in the U.S. Anyone know how much these fixtures run? I dread the answer, but oh well! |
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- Posted by Lotteryticket (My Page) on Mon, Jul 15, 13 at 20:16
I wish I had never seen these. I am sure they are pricey but they are gorgeous. They have a list of US distributors but you will probably have to call to get a price. (link below). Please let me know if you find out anything and I'll do the same. |
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- Posted by Lotteryticket (My Page) on Tue, Jul 16, 13 at 12:06
I finally found one site that had some prices. There is only one faucet listed but they might be able to quote you on others you are interested in. It is beautiful but even at 20% off it's still $900. |
Here is a link that might be useful: Devon & Devon at Gracious Home
I said the same thing to myself when I saw these "Oh lord, I wish I had never seen these". They are to die for. They were spotted in the showroom of our towns highest priced plumbing shop. Of course. Today I put a call in to them to find out what the cost would be for a single hole faucet. If they call me back...I did tell you they were the fanciest shop...if anyone is still interested I can share that info. |
- Posted by Lotteryticket (My Page) on Thu, Aug 22, 13 at 21:44
I found some others I liked a bit, too..Kohler Pinstripe. They are nearly $900. They make the Kohler Memoirs look reasonable. None of these are in my budget but I do know now that this is the one thing in my budget that I just got wrong. Everything else has been close so far. If they do call back I would still be interested but I think we already know where this is going. LOL! |
- Posted by Lotteryticket (My Page) on Thu, Aug 22, 13 at 21:50
Wow, timing is everything. There are Water Mark faucets on sale at onekingslane right now. I have never heard of them but they have a similar look to Waterworks, Devon & Devon, etc. |
Here is a link that might be useful: Watermark faucets
Watermark are made in Brooklyn, we are getting our kitchen mixer from them. |
of course I missed that by now i'm sure on One Kings Lane. I swore I would stay off there after buying another rug (they offer small sizes so I think of them as "trial"). The high end plumbing shop did call back but said they couldn't get the one hole faucet. In my mind I was thinking it might be less pricey as there is less "faucet" involved...surely that wouldn't be the case, but it wouldn't be the first time I tricked myself! |
- Posted by Lotteryticket (My Page) on Fri, Sep 13, 13 at 10:52
Scamp, One Kings Lane has had Water Works faucets twice in the last few weeks so maybe one more time? The more I look at them the more they seem reasonably priced. It's all about adjusted expectations, I guess. Good luck in the hunt! |
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