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Yup unions suck, and so do their members
Flight attendants union sues Delta ahead of expected vote
* Union says Delta not honoring Northwest bargaining pact
* Delta says complaint has no merit
ATLANTA Aug 26 (Reuters) - The Association of Flight Attendants-CWA union has sued Delta Air Lines Inc (DAL.N), saying the world's biggest carrier is violating the bargaining agreement that covers more than 7,000 flight attendants who worked for Northwest Airlines.
The complaint, filed in federal court in Washington, D.C., states Delta "is unwilling to resolve disputes" with the union, and adds contract breaches involve such issues as scheduling and pay.
Carmen Parcelli, attorney for the flight attendants union, said on Thursday that the lawsuit was filed on Aug. 19. It seeks unspecified damages and an order halting contract breaches.
Wouldnt it be nice if unions and their goons actually helped a company out. A company should have to right to fire anyone that doesnt play by their employers rules. If you dont like the job get to hell out. Dont ruin it for the others that do enjoy their job. Good God it is unions that drove all the companies over seas. So much for our jobs in the good old usa. Face it unions are out dated. If you think you need a union you are a follower not a leader. Not to mention a total whimp. The schools the government all are being ruined by unions. Get my point and no I dont really care if you like it. If you support unions you are spineless and you are part of the problem.
Have a nice night,
Couldn't agree more. Unions are nothing but a bunch of thugs that coddle the incompetent and overpaid. (i.e., teachers unions)
Unions are nothing but a bunch of thugs that coddle the incompetent and overpaid.
Unions are nothing but a bunch of thugs that coddle the incompetent and overpaid.
I get the impression that you do not know many union members. Collective bargaining is a good thing. Management created the need for unions, unions did not create the need for management. Overall, I say God Bless the unionized brothers and sisters.
And the vast majority of them are a fraction as productive as those who are not part of the 'mafia mentality'.
I do agree that Collective Bargaining IS a good thing. It has been a real good thing for countries that have benefited from the jobs that have left this country as a result of being "Collectively Bargained".
Very interesting reading, what with the military being called out and the Pinkerton thugs to deal with in the early days. The union members I know are coal miners, iron workers, carpenters, teamsters. I would not call them unproductive, I call them very loyal Americans. In this current recession that we are in, many of those who have a job are being worked like rented mules, making the need for new hires less than what it normally would be. Unions can definitley be seen as an asset under these circumstances. There is the need for self-preservation on both sides of a negotiating table, and I would not look for candidates for sainthood on either side, but I sure would not put the blame for job loss on unions when it takes two to tango.
The union members I know are coal miners, iron workers, carpenters, teamsters. I would not call them unproductive, I call them very loyal Americans.
Sorry Carb. I beg to differ. I have worked in and around the petro-chemical, telecommunication, electrical, trucking, commercial & residential construction industries all my working life. I have observed and personally experienced the production rates and work ethics of both union workers and free men. There is no comparison. A non union man will out produce and union goon any day of the week and that same man is twice the benefit economically to his country and the company he works for.
In this current recession that we are in, many of those who have a job are being worked like rented mules, making the need for new hires less than what it normally would be.
Bull Hocky! That is a line that union members use when excusing their lack of production and their desire to extort more to benefit themselves while offering less from themselves. Many employees, such as my own, see what is happening in this economy and have stepped it on their end realizing this is a fight for the survival of the business that feeds their families. Heck yeah many are having to do more. And that is bad in what way? One good thing about this recession is that more people are starting to realize they owe their employer 8 hours of work for 8 hours of pay rather than seeing how little they can get away with while doing their personal finance, personal phone calls, and internet cruising on company time.
I sure would not put the blame for job loss on unions when it takes two to tango.
First of all. Jobs to produce manufactured goods in this country weren't lost. They were simply moved to another country. They were *moved* as a result of our government dumping endless and burdensome compliance and tax issues on businesses creating an an atmosphere that was unfriendly and non-conducive for businesses to operate on US soil.
Manufacturers had a choice to make. They could either continue to make a go of it here and obsolete themselves in a competitive nature and seal their doom OR they could move the jobs offshore where they could insure their survival and remain competitive while keeping the doors open. Anyone with any sort business sense combined with a productive work ethic and and an open mind can easily see and understand this.
Thankfully many industries survived as a result of not being strong armed by the unions and I know many people who work hard for these companies and make a respectable living WITHOUT having the Nanny Union Thugs rule over them and extorting monies out the employees and the business. Unions (nowadays) are no more than a dead expense on our economy. Money sucking leeches creating jobs for those who refuse to produce anything tangible but would rather live off the backs of the workers of this country. THAT is what unions are all about.
Look at the teachers unions, automotive unions, govenrment unions. Shameless is the only word deserving of use to describe them with.
Anyways.... my word, opinions and time are wasted here.
Anyways.... my word, opinions and time are wasted here.
Oh no, not so! I welcome your responses more than anyones. I like to emphasize the right of working people to organize and you like to point out the dysfunctional aspects of unions. No problem there, I have seen plenty myself, but I am still pro labor. What would the non-union worker's situation be if there were no unions to set the pay and workplace safety standards?
Oh no, not so! I welcome your responses more than anyones.
Compliment not taken lightly......
What would the non-union worker's situation be if there were no unions to set the pay and workplace safety standards?
Ummmmm...have to take issue with this comment. The market dictates pay standards these days. Where the unions do dictate pay standards it is usually at the expense of the taxpayers. For it is gumament unions that are so rapidly expanding. If the unions attempt to to dictate pay standards in manufacturing based industry sectors the results are lost jobs because the market cannot realistically support those bloated pay / benefits mandates. GM is THE prime example of a ruined company that was practically taken over by the unions.
In my not so humble opinion... (chuckle)it is not the unions that set workplace standards these days, but modernization of work practices, technology, and practical regulation that improved such. Some of which resulted from union pressures in years past. But as we speak of unions today... they are nothing more than a selfish, jobs program for Democrat minded hacks that gain power as a result of being a union thug. They hold this power via political influence by extorting cash by forcible means from the workers they are supposed to represent while lining their own pockets and influence.
I have as much use and respect for unions as I do for the mafia. They are both forms of organized crime.
Anyways... it was an beautiful day for turning perfectly good gasoline into noise. Hope to do so again tomorrow. Cheers!
is it always promotes the lowest common denominator.
You have 10 people on a line. One really a great producer One really lousy
producer. Same Union pay scale. What happens is always what happens when Unions are involved. The employer can't fire the low producer and the high producer will start to "dumb" down his production level. He/She can't get more pay, can't be promoted and can't even be acknowledged.
Results across the board are lower production, higher cost thus a De facto Union tax.
Unions were good for dock workers back in the mid 1900's, other than then they have only benefitted the leadership of the union itself.
It was easy to see that when the laws were changed such that 'no' votes had to exceed 'yes' votes rather than taking the percentage of yes votes vs. the total of those represented that the system was rigged.
Why don't we elect a president based on yes and no votes? Go figure.
I've been forced to be represented by a union, on more than one occasion, and have told the 'union rep.' that if they come near me there would bodily harm inflected upon them. Yet somehow, via a law I've never heard of, I'm required to pay 'union dues' that I never voted for and I have no desire to have.
Unions are for sissies that can't or won't stand up for themselves.
If you think your boss is being unfair, QUIT and find another job. Quit listening to people that make their living by telling you how and what to think! If you're incapable of thinking for yourself, quit working altogether and go on welfare. You'll probably make more money and get better health care.
I too was forced to work under union authority years ago when I would work in Union Carbide plant between my regular jobs. As a producer I resented the fact that I was instructed to reduce my work production by at least 75% because I was making other people look bad. I was told to keep out of site after completing the assigned task so these worthless union goons could milk their gravy train. I walked out and left higher pay rather than become one of them.
As you say, it is by force they empower themselves. They are as worthless as any of the other crooks we see in places like Citibank, our government, or the ones who are sponging off the backs of the producers via welfare.
Unions are undeniably part of our economic problem.
Comparing unions today to unions of yester-year is like comparing Democrats today to Democrats of 50 years ago. There is NO comparasion.
Thousands of airline employees lost their jobs because of those yo-yos.
I know. Granted...unions are only a piece of the puzzle that has contributed to the movement of jobs overseas and the lost manufacturing base of this country. But they are a huge piece.
We need our manufacturing back.
Do you have any ideas as to how to do that and keep the unions out?
That way we could pay factory workers minimum wages and no benefits and make widgets here again!
At that price they would sell overseas.
But the unions will want 12-25 dollars an hour for labor and some benefits.
I don't see how we can compete paying them 20-40 thousand dollars per year.
Especially when their wives can work to pay for the groceries. If rent isn't too high.
Now some unions will want up to $250,000 per year for their fliers--the older they get the better fliers they are!
What do you think?
We have a huge problem here. And tough decisions, discipline and desire by the people would have to take place to reverse the trend we are in. Unfortunately we will probably go the way the Europe...
I have to ask a question before I answer you $. What happened to the TRILLIONS of dollars the demi-god you elected and fawned over? Who benefited? Where did the money go? What tangible return on that waste did we get out this foolish act of desperation? How many Dem supporters, union hacks and miscellaneous cronies benefited while the American people lost or are in process of losing their homes, jobs and future? With that kind of money and sensible fool could have made a difference. What do we have to show for your sacred Democrat policies Bonky? You know... many of us were very disappointed in the presidency of George Bush. But my God in Heaven in above and all that is within me, I could not fathom how terrible this freaking clown we have as a leader is. So you try to put me on the spot eh? So be it.
First of all I would neuter the political and lobbying power of the unions and return ***choice*** to the American worker as to whether they choose to be forced into participating in the funding of a union in order to keep their job.
Regarding exports: I would remove the cost of government from the products we export thus reducing the cost of our products to our customer base around the world by 20% - 25%. This in turn will narrow our trade gap with immediate results and create jobs and stir tremendous business activity. I can hear you tax hungry Democrats whining about the thought of not being able to tax these business transactions. But I ask... How can you tax something that does not currently exist? At least we will be able to tax the wages of those who are now put back to work and the revenues of those that benefit from the expansionary spending of those that benefit economically as a result of export growth.
We then teach people that the road to prosperity is made via the manufacturing of goods and services and not through endless roles of desk jobs and management jobs that duplicate efforts. The days of hiring luxury workers to make one's own job easier is coming to an end. The era of mission critical staffing would be the order of the day.
We would encourage our youth to pursue careers of engineering, science (and I mean REAL science), trade skills, and business degrees that are earned and not taught by people who have never been productive in the private sector before. And we would question our youth as to what their real jobs will be when thy tell us they want to major in music, art, political science, lesbian studies, workplace psychology, lawyer degrees and other assorted educational paths that are useless due to the overabundance of such silly career choices. It reminds me of the hood....where everyone is going to become professional basketball player.
I would then cut welfare. Poor people that can't afford to feed their children and house them on their own should not be allowed to use taxpayer monies to subsidize their transportation, lottery tickets, drug habits, cell phones, cable TV, internet and etc. Our so-called poor are far from being poor. Give them a real incentive to make something out themselves or indeed be poor. It is shameless that we penalize disabled veterans and reduce their incomes when they get a little extra on the side yet we reward laziness and idleness from those that will never take the initiative to contribute to society in a productive manner. Yes...that means they have to do actual public service projects to earn parts of their subsistence.
Eliminate illegal immigration.... Period!!! Nuff said.
And we teach people that they can have successful businesses and livelihoods by getting of their pathetic azzes and by competing against the illegals and taking those jobs back. We need to honor the trades that once employed blacks and whites in this country before they got the crazy notion that everyone deserved a comfy chair behind a computer in an air conditioned environment while they spend half their day chit chatting and surfing the web while leaving the trade work to the illegals. Tell you what...show me a American black or white guy who is willing to spread pine straw for a living and I'll pay a little bit more. Show me a roofing company that employs American black and white dudes and I'll chose them over the companies that utilize illegals. Many will stand with me on this. For the rest of the employers who refuse to pay??? We have laws against employing non-American illegals. Enforce the damned things.
Combine that with a program that would have restructured loans in a manner that would have prevented most foreclosures and this pathetic and useless clown we have as a president could have made something of himself and the opportunity before him.
Anyways.... we have no leadership in this country that will champion effective turn-around solutions. And the American people do not have the will to initiate and support the changes that would benefit our children, our grandchildren, and ourselves as long as we continue getting our little subsistence manna from our political gods from above.
So Bonker$....those are just a few of the difficult decisions, mindsets and policy decisions that need to be made all or in part to really make a difference regarding the issues at hand.
But I fear we will continue with your way and the the ways of your kind. Continue raping and pillaging the producers and the successful until the only thing you guys will have left eat...is yourselves.
I read your answer to Bonker$ and then re-read his.
I can make no sense out of what you say! Sorry.
Here are the plain facts without discussing generalities of random thoughts as you did:
From about 1999 until 2008, we (those in power and us) allowed a false economy to develop by Banks, Insurance Companies, and individual spending on credit they couldn't afford on credit cards and homes; also, business men overbuilding homes and commercial structures which were unneeded, also on credit.
So much value was lost forever of our assets that it is going to take 5-10 years to rebuild it.
The current administration could have backed down on the Bush Bank bail-outs and not asked for more for the TARP which would have put us in an immediate Depression, immediately! If you will remember Mr. Paulson (Treasury for Bush) started this mess when they finally realized how badly they had screwed up.
Now you and others want to blame President Obama for all that, when actually, so far anyway, he has saved us from soup lines everywhere.
We can not trust the Wall Street crooks again, as FOX news advocates every hour of the day! All that does is produce billionaires out of a few which the rest of us pay for!
Don't advocate the same old bad ideas as Bush, help us solve very serious problems. The "pathetic useless clown," as you say, is doing the best that can be done with the horror of his inheritance.
You asked me how to restore manufacturing jobs and you blast off into TARP spending. The very same TARP spending that your Wonder Boy Demi-God screamed for Bush to implement before he even took office. Don't get me started as I oppose the Tarp waste which propped up some companies that should have went Tango Uniform while their assets were gobbled up by quality companies.
I can make no sense out of what you say! Sorry
There was never a doubt in my mind that you would not be able to make sense of my answer. That was a 'given' before the submit button was clicked.
The "pathetic useless clown," as you say, is doing the best that can be done with the horror of his inheritance.
Yes. I am in complete agreement with the first part of your statment. He has done HIS best. And it has more than worsened the situation at hand. Look... there is no use in communicating with a fool that is bent on seeing only what he wants to see. Have a good day Dollar.
The gentleman who was going to build 5000 homes and a city on the Fayette/coweta border at the end of an extended TDK was written up as to what happened to him as an example of what happened to most banks in this area.
Basically it involved a group starting a bank with many of the directors Developers.
The developers applied for millions in loans, got them, and started building like crazy, even added to the loans often.
What bank "employee" would refuse a loan to a director when the developers as a whole owned the majority of the loans made?
He lost most of his 50ish million assets since he really couldn't get out or the bank would surely fail! Some did get out earlier.
As I remember those times I had heard that not just anyone could put up a share and get involved with the original charter.
They were the lucky ones.
PTC government was blamed for not aiding in the building of the road to Coweta due to what they thought would be traffic congestion in PTC, but it turned out it would not have made it anyway due to the current recession!
I am amazed that there are still people who blame the new administration for our predicament and want more of the same elected who created our catastrophe! Some do realize it and started the TEAS, but that is useless with the characters they have running. A handful of them will win anything important.
Very simple, look at manufacturing plants in the US. Look at the ones that are profitable and the ones that are not. Just focusing on Automotive, look at the foreign companies that come here and don't have union contracts... They are making money. The ones with unions, can't do jack because they have you "give me give me give me" attitude employees pulling the system down taking your 15 minute breaks every hour. Dang it, go out and find a job where you have some personal responsibility. This isn't the 1800's and you're not in West Virginia. Union leaders and Demo-Cracks (aka democratic politicians) survive off of the poor and ignorant.
Tell that to the 2300 Chinese mine workers dead in China or even the ones in Chile. Yea, deregulation would be just paradise here in earth w/out those mean old blood suckers. Think of all the money to be made.
China has much of the same issues as America faced. However they do not have a FREE form of Government. Laborers are slave to Government. That is the normal Socialist form of Governance.
The needs of the many outweigh the needs of the few.
American Unions were vital and directing Government away from the dialectic of the many/few argument.
Now fast forward to 1960's-80's.
America is no longer the Socialist lite style of Governance. America has begun to re-focus on the laborer as an individual. Unions at this time are at their zenith. American workers are getting better pay and benefits. Unions have successfully turned a page in the chapter of the American worker.
Again fast forward to the 1990's and today.
Union leaders have slowly been replaced from the labor based activist to the Global view radical i.e. Andy Stern and his "Workers of the World unite" to Trumpka's "Global Governance" and Global workers party".
This has turned the era of unions for American laborers to now a Global view of one World Government. They are no longer relevant to the American labor pool.
In the US Unions have become bloated and over burdened by the very things they fought for. Pensions they can't pay as well as an entrenched attitude of never "going back" not even to yesterday period.
This alone has made the Unions leaders seek out an alliance with Government and forced an un-holy marriage of a Socialist styled re-emergence of the many/few argument.
Union leaders pensions are fully funded by over 110% while the laborer is not funded hardly at all. Government and Unions in bed together are using their "Power of Persuasion" and "Persuasion of Power" to forward a Social agenda and is working towards re-distribution of Wealth. No not from the Rich to the Poor in America, but from the US to Third World Countries.
Unions can be a vital means to an end in helping laborers increase their pay and benefits AS LONG AS THE EMPLOYER can afford it, however, union members MUST police their own ranks and remove their leaders that have become toadies to Government.
I heard the IAM ad today to vote for a union at Delta. It was a damn sad joke to hear that crap. Job security, keep the family together, make Delta a better company. BULL
The union will not do anything for you Delta folks except take your money. They are nothing but thugs looking for a bunch of stupid followers. Good lord stand up for yourself not a bunch of clowns in a union. You know Delta has been here for a long time without union reps. Except for Pilots and flight control of course. You at Delta do not need this. The only ones who want the union are the spinless who came with Northwest. They are so obvious on a flight, just look for the old, over weight bad attitude workers on a flight or at the gate and ticket counters and you have found the northwest employees. Just get over yourselves and make your new home better by working harder. Delta will reward you. Or just quit, they dont need you.
I am not an employee of Delta but I do only fly them.
*splutter snip*
...make your new home better by working harder. Delta will reward you. ...
Breathtakingly ignorant.
Bottom line here bacon, if you dont like your job and bosses get to hell out. You are then one of the spinless followers not a leader. Sounds like congress
For someone who claims not to be a Delta employee, you sure do have a fixation with Delta's unions, "Normal".
May 2010: Normal Whines About Delta Unions
July 2010: Normal Whines About Delta Unions
October 2010: Normal Whines About Delta Unions
Just knew you couldn't resist this topic.
I am proud of the 9544 NO UNION votes. You all that voted for the union have no spines. So now it is over, do your job, be happy and enjoy the pay raise you get next time without having to strike for it. For those of you who want your over paid thugs in the union to represent you quit. Get a job with a union company. There are tens of thousands of great people unemployed who would love to take your job. If you dont like your company do all of us customers a favor and get out. Remember you are like taking a bucket of water from the ocean, no one will miss it.
And Happy Thanksgiving to you all.
bring in AFA. Let's see how the IAM vote fairs out.
The latest vote was held according to the "new" requirements; but nooooo, that was not the desired outcome. It was reported today in the AJC that the National Mediation Board is considering nullifying the last election and force a new one. The recent election yielded a 51% vote against. So Delta could be forced to continue this exercise - which does have a cost associated with it - till the "right" outcome is achieved.
And the reason....Those that used company computers may have allowed the company to track whether employees voted, a violation of their privacy. BTW, this is the same computer system that would have captured a "yes" vote and nothing would have been said about the privacy if the union prevailed.
Oh well, and the beat goes on.
Way to go ramp. You can be proud you are leaders and not followers. You will have a better airline and job by keeping the unions out. For those of you who are crying in your beer over the vote, do your job, have fun, take care of your family. And as usual if you find you dont like your job for any reason and can do better on the street then quit. Bye
A 70% NO UNION VOTE is awsome. You can all be proud and keep up the good work. Its great to see a union in this country loose millions. Seeing as millions of jobs have left the country because of the unions. Merry Christmas to all and to all a good night.


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@The66thDopefish @SuperDuper Look at the player usage charts pictured above. That's what I was referring to. Either way, it's no big deal. Ranting about tPB is about as useful as punching myself in the dick repeatedly.
@Mrmcgibblets @SuperDuper A bit.
@jmarshhh @SuperDuper No, it doesn't. You are right, and this is certainly a great article, as it always is with you (I should have put that in the first post. You are a breath of fresh air for tPB). I just find tPB's attitude towards this whole Bortuzzo/Jagr incident to be a bit ridiculous and I was a bit taken aback to see you feed into that as well.
Can we cut this Player 41 crap already? I understand the Bortuzzo hit was borderline and I can understand arguments from both sides as to whether it was suspendible or not, but this joke is childish and getting old. I expect that kind of crap from Rich and Derek, but you're better than that Jesse. You're at your best when analyzing data and providing insight, not stooping to name-calling Jagr ball-sucking that has become a rather annoying tPB staple as of late.
@Rage @floorlizard Had to be more than that. I've been to some sold out games, and there was at least 20,000+ there. That being said, most left by the beginning of the third period...
and sleep. good night all. fuck the flyers. let's keep this up for one more game!
p @KunductionLess @pokecheck @stapler please, somebody with the skill photoshop crosby with the badass billy gun. it's only appropriate.
@SaintMarty that. i like that.
@SaintMarty word. like a young scuderi.
@Adam12 @SidVicious87 cheesy delicious god kisses.
@Jovi that's a big "if" though. sorry, don't mean to rag on the pens. i'm just looking out for my own psyche right now.
@Adam12 @shuvel55 @G-mus word. theoretically, he fits in great with the pens. for whatever reason, he just hasn't panned out yet.
@shuvel55 @G-mus i still don't think he's a great defenceman. he can be good, but definitely not great.
did anybody else not get completely frustrated with tyler kennedy tonight, either? when he decides it's better to pass, he can make one hell of a playmaker.
@5xfaster just got done saying that. they played great. i think strait's d and despres's offensive abilities will really help out in this series.
@Kilihan i really didn't think anything that he did was terribly suspendible. he was a dick, but not an overtly dirty dick. god knows how much everyone hates a dirty dick.
@Adam12 @SaintMarty yeah, for once. i noticed that they were hardly pinching that game. hope the game plan stays the same from now on.
@SaintMarty agreed. i would definitely like to see 7 d going forward. if not strait (who was a beast) then at least despres. god i love how the pens can make me feel like this.
but still, god damn that felt good.
@shooter @JonKlimasIsNOT_PLAYING_ZANGIEF 930 AM classes suck too. that's why i skipped em today.
@Midnight Rider the combination of orpik and engelland has to be the fucking scariest d pairing to play against ever. i'm totally down for that.
@PensAreYourDaddy@CFA_27 (former hurricane and blackhawk) she was probably caught in the steely gaze of free candy. its tough to get out of once your in there.
@RedArmyRenesis i bet they score 10 shorties before they give up to pp goals.
@Bubby@RedArmyRenesis unfuckingreal. i know it wont last, but having a positive PK is awesome. i look forward to other teams being on the PP now.
@CFA_27 (former hurricane and blackhawk) that being said, neal is on pace for about 11098471023948 goals. staalsy is definitely due for about a 65-70 pt season though. dude works his ass off.
@Bubby@staplerova@JenBroflovski my head just exploded all over my computer screen.
@dCbnGino@Enigmatic Flipovich i was serious. for being short and not entirely recappy, the shops totally had me laughing.
@(((((( and to clarify, i don't want to dump him either. he is just ass sucking right now, and i claim my right as a fan to mock him.
@(((((( true. that being said, some fourth line wbs center (joe vitale) is totally proving his worth far more than letestu has this year.
@JenBroflovski@pdoggy face-murder is very important these days...
@Bubby true, but its always a shame to give up something for nothing. and have to pay for half of it for the rest of the year.
@staplerova@JenBroflovski honestly, it is a toss up between whos more useless right now. i loved test tube last year, but dude needs to get his head out of his ass.
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That bee looks like it has an eye in the back of its head!
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Wishing you a very Sweet New Year Alice, don't forget the good resolutions and Shanah Tovah!
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Thank you for your wishes. Sweet would be terrific. And as far as resolutions, I keep those for the 'secular' New Year coming around in a few months.
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I have a KitchenAid refrigerator which has an automatic water and ice dispenser built into the door. Yesterday, i noticed the ice maker is no longer making ice. Since the filter was changed yesterday morning and all the ice was dumped out, i thought perhaps it was just a matter of time before it produced enough ice to fill the bucket again. But a day and a half later, there's still no indication of ice being made. Additionally, there's a red light on the inside to the right of the mechanism (where the on/off switch for ice is) that's blinking. I would swear this light stopped blinking just after the filter was changed, but it seems to be blinking again. I took the filter out and pushed it in again to see if that might help, but it's still blinking. Any thoughts on what kind of "fix" i'm looking at? Not long ago, my KitchenAid dishwasher door broke, and ended up paying over $200.00 because i felt i couldn't do it myself. I really don't want to have to make a service call if it can possibly be avoided. Thoughts? I'm cross posting this on the kitchen forum to get as many expert eyes on it as possible. Thank you all, wondering-why-appliances-aren't-built-to-last-anymore |
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Did you run the water dispenser per the filter installation instructions to clear residual air pockets? |
Wow, dadoes, thank you for such a prompt response! Yes, the air pockets were cleared, and the water's been running really well. That's part of what's puzzling me so much. I can't understand why the water dispenser would work fine, while the ice maker suddenly stopped. |
Look at the icemaker, and the fingers that knock the ice out should be looking at you. They should be actually just above the horizon. If they are not replace the motor module on the icemaker. If so look at the black tube, where the water comes into the icemaker. Squeeze it, if it is hard, it is frozen, if it is soft, then you would have to replace the emitter kit. If you need parts, or some more instruction, I can help. Tom www.applianceeducator.com |
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Was it working before you replaced the filter? Check your manual for what the blinking red light means - it could be something simple like pushing a reset button or turning something back on. On my KA, after changing the filter, you have to push a button for ten seconds to reset the red light. Yours looks something like mine - with the little swinging door and the electric eye to see if the bin is full. Make sure you're not blocking any of those - that tells the ice maker to shut off. |
Thank you so much for all your thoughtful responses! I'm pleased to say i awoke this morning to see ice had collected in the bucket. Last night, i used a hair dryer (of all things!) to melt some ice that had hardened around and within the black rubber tube that apparently feeds water into the ice tray. Although i'm not entirely certain this will represent a long-term fix, for now at least it seems i may have dodged this home-maintenance bullet. Thank you again for your thoughts everyone, and have a great New Year! |
Yup - that's a common problem - I haven't had it with my current (6 year old KA) but it happened a number of times on my previous Whirlpool fridge. I didn't think it was your problem since you were getting water ok but I guess the freezing occurred after the water split off. |
I have the same problem in my KA ref, just like yours. KA will not do anything about it. I had them out 3 times prior to the end of warranty and the problem was never fixed. It occurred again after the warranty was out. You guessed it. It's now my problem.The problem with mine, I figured out, is the pressure from the water filter is not great enough when the filter gets old. The fill tube (black tube in freezer) freezes up. I have taken the filter cartridge out and for the last year have had no problem. Our municipal water is very good where I live so I am not worried about quality issues. I would use a better inline filter on my water line if I were concerned. On my first service call, the tech did say that KA had repaired "hundreds" of these units like this. Unfortunately the "like this" that he did to my unit did not work. I am planning a buildout on my garden level that will include a snack bar which will have a ref. That unit will not be a KA. |
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Actually I'm hoping "jwj" will see this question and provide some insight. She mentioned on another thread that she makes moccasins. "jwj" or anyone else, I would love to hear some more info on this. Is it difficult to tan a hide? Any books or sources you would suggest on this subject? |
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hey there,, have a couple of minutes to post,,Moccasins themselves are pretty easy to make,,especially if your using an Na pattern versus trying to do the trapper types that lace up,,the beadwork is probably the most challenging if people want it ,, thats only because so many have never done it,,here are a few websites to show basics,,,Native web and nativetech,, has alot of info,,I gennerally make mostly mocs from the tribes here where I live,, but these have some basics,, http://www.nativetech.org/clothing/moccasin/moctext.html http://home.achilles.net/~judyk/moccasins/MakingMoccasins/MoccasinInstructions.htm hide tanning, well we usually brain tan, it is not difficult but is alot of work and a bit tough on the wrists and arms,,and well some folks think it smells ,, but the leather you get from it is softer then any thing commercially tanned,, http://members.tripod.com/~windthruherhair/braintan.html maybe this can give you some reading,, as to the books the buckskinner series has alot of information from hide tanning to making all types of clothing articles, as well |
- Posted by daughternature 7 GA (My Page) on Wed, Sep 25, 02 at 14:51
jwj - will you adobt me? ( smile ) You seem to have so much knowledge on the "old ways" of living which is very interesting to me. Thanks for sharing. |
LOL,, sure come on up we can sit around and I will teach ya how to bead ,, before I put ya to work out there working hides,,hmmm,, wink wink,,I need a daughter,, jwj |
- Posted by cricket_Mo 6 (My Page) on Thu, Sep 26, 02 at 23:54
I wanna come too ! I adore the Native arts. My poor ole moccasins are about 20 years old now. You know how hard it is to find a nice PLAIN pair of these ? Okay , I do like my lace up boots too,but they still aren't fancy. I will help you do your beadwork.PLEASE !! ?? cricket_Mo |
Well cricket, yes,, I know I get people who like limited or no beadwork all the time,, LOL,, we have lots of room,,, 20 year old mocs,,hmmm we have a couple pairs of those around,, LOL,, most have the hole where the toe has came through, or I have reoled them before the tops wore out,,LOl |
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February 25 1942 - How could she? I was not amused - 18 years old and mother pregnant, bothered me terribly.
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- Posted by anneliese_32 6 (My Page) on Sun, Feb 26, 12 at 8:31
Can't teenagers get embarrased by their parents! I remember well the dynamo flashlight, hated to use it since I was such a shrimp and had a hard time getting it to work. |
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Don, my brother passed away of a heart-attack in the eighties.We never got together after I went to the US, so last I remember him when he was 5 years old |
Lilo, thanks for sharing this story. Your memories are detailed and it's interesting to hear about a time and place of which I knew nothing, except that we were at war with Germany. (I was 9 1/2 years old in Feb. 1942.) |
I'm one who also enjoys reading your stories. |
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Quoting P Purkayastha <ppurka@...>: > On Tue, 07 Jun 2011 03:18:51 +0800, Francois Bissey > <fbissey@...> wrote: > >>> Hi, >>> >>> I installed sage and also gap via the sage-for-gentoo overlay on a >>> Gentoo linux system (64 bit installation). It turned out that gap >>> installed a plugin /usr/share/vim/vimfiles/plugin/gap_debug.vim where >>> some keybindings are defined to help debug gap programs. >>> >>> First, I think this file should go under >>> /usr/share/vim/vimfiles/ftplugin directory since it applies only to gap >>> files. Secondly, the files define some keybindings without allowing for >>> the user to override those keybindings in ~/.vimrc. >>> >>> I am attaching a patch which defines a global vim variable. If the user >>> sets that variable in ~/.vimrc, then this gap plugin will not be read. >>> This is one way I think the plugin can be made to not supersede user >>> settings. >>> >>> If there is some other way of overriding that plugin file, please let me >>> know. >>> >> Hi, >> >> thanks for the info. It looks like you have found something that is >> installed >> by "automagic". Not being a fan of vi I don't have it installed and >> that vim >> file is not installed here. We may need to put it under useflag control. >> I think we may adopt your patch until someone more knowledgeable in vim >> tell us that's the wrong way of doing things. >> >> Francois >> > > Hi Francois, > > I am not surprised that the file debug_gap.vim is not installed in your > system. The installation of this file is handled by the vim-syntax > useflag. This useflag also handles the installation of other useful vim > files. > > One option would be to introduce the debug useflag for gap and install > this debug_gap.vim file if both vim-syntax and debug flags are on. And, > during the src_prepare apply the patch to debug_gap.vim. I can provide you > an updated ebuild if you so desire. Hi, I need to take more care when I check the ebuilds before 8am. Yes of course there is a vim-syntax flag! I don't think we need to overcomplicate things with an extra debug flag. On the other hand being able to override the plugin is a very good idea. So unless something more refined can be done I think I'll just adopt your patch. Francois
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Paul Ryan, who spewed lies non-stop in his GOP convention speech last week, got caught in another falsehood over the weekend and now admits lying about his incredible claim of raining a marathon in under three hours.
In August, Ryan told radio host Hugh Hewitt he had run a marathon in "two hours and fifty-something" minutes. That would have been a pace of less than 7 minutes a mile — something recreational runners seldom accomplish.
So Runners World magazine checked the record and found that Ryan has run just one marathon in his life and finished the 26.2 mile course in just over four hours, not under three as claimed by the GOP Vice Presidential candidate.
Ryan's response? "I misspoke." What he didn't say was that he has misspoken before…many times. An Associated Press fact check of his convention speech found it riddled with lies.
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"The man is, and always has been, a serial liar," he said. "He will be Mitt Romney's Sarah Palin."
Ryan says he should have "rounded his marathon time to four hours, not three."
And this man wants to be Vice President of the United States.
Truth in politics has always been an oxymoron.
So why is this news?
Isn't a requirement of the the Republican Party that one must be a liar to apply for office?
Lies like this marathon run is inconsequential. I'm more offended at the lies both Romney and Ryan told about backing Obama's bills in an attempt at by-partisan actions.
This whopper does speak to Ryan's character and his suitability as VP – or God forbid, President. All runners know their PR (personal record) time. We train hard and every mile is well earned. A lie this big is shameful and telling.
The scary part is that even with evidence that Paul Ryan has a misrepresented the truth on many occasions, you still hear Republicans desperate for anyone but Obama saying things like "I respect Paul Ryan because he's known for telling the truth."
I thought the most horrifying, yet typical response from some of the upper honchos in the party responding to the situation. "We won't be held hostage by fact finders."
What? What? What?
Still another reason for mandatory drug testing of candidates.
Yet another try by the left to take any and all attention away from the real issues; jobs, economy, healthcare.
Jose on your 3 major categories The GOP has the biggest LIES! LOL
His angle on global warming is possibly his most dangerous lie, which applies to most of the G.O.P. The only reason I respected Romney is that he couldn't bring himself to totally neglect that issue, but bringing Ryan on board shows he's not serious about including it in their "tough choices" rhetoric.
Republicans just don't respect nature. They claim the Invisible Man above will prevent us from doing any real harm. Who needs science when you've got faith in magic?
The most appalling aspect of the numerous lies told by Ryan is the total lack of guts of the mainstream media to actually call him for what he is — a blatant lier.
Lies of all kinds ARE consequential. If he'll lie about this he will lie about ANYthing and has so over and over and over again and will in the future. I don't want this person making decisions about MY life!
Speaking of the truest thing I heard is from Clint Eastwood, POLITICIANS ARE EMPLOYEES! You're fired.
Another bad selection for VP. I think Republicans thought if they could win with Cheney they could win with anyone.


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tagman Malibu, CaliforniaPosts: 8,441So . . . are you suggesting that the different results are due to different configurations? Comparing apples to oranges somehow?
The last visit I had to the Porsche dealer a couple of months ago, I was surprised to find that there are now SO many options and variations to consider. It was insane.
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allcarsrcool Posts: 113With the success of the Chrysler Pacifica and Mercedes R-Class, would it be plausible that lexus is considering to design their own version; after all, they are missing a few names in the suv/crossover line up, or does the RX already fill that 4-door, 3-row, 6-seater spot? (yes i know the RX does not have a 3rd row or even seat 6)
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hpowders Posts: 4,269Well, let's just say MB's venture into the minivan segment has been unsuccessful.
I mean who needs a designer minivan?
This should be a utilitarian vehicle.
A lot of room and luxury, but the transmission doesn't shift smoothly, from what I read, and the mpg is dismal.
In addition the rear doors are enormous and heavy so you can imagine what kind of damage the kids in the back will do to any vehicle unfortunate enough to be parked next to one.
All of the above translates into one of the best leasing deals to be had today.
You can lease this $58k minivan (R350) for only around $500 per month for 27 months or buy it for an astonishing (or should I say, embarrassing) $7000 below invoice for around $47k. -
blkhemi Posts: 1,717So now when I pay Lexus a compliment, I'm worried. The IS has been a great success, there you have it. But to say it's going to be the car that kills the 3-Series is absolutely pathetic. Sales or no sales, the car WILL NOT outsell the 3. You can quote me on that. That sounds like Infiniti when they introduced the G35 and said that "BMW should afraid, very afraid." Well a host of quality issues and a staid interior stopped that fanfare.
Then the new TL came, and altho a great performer, the transmissions drives the wrong wheels. The Caddy CTS was and is a close match, but the car has fallen off considerably from '02. The '08 CTS should correct all of it's shortcomings....
Now we have the IS. A strikingly handsome ride with the sprint action of Jesse Owens, if not the moves of Barry Sanders. For '07, the VDIM is defeatable(altho not completely, says Lexus, it still intervenes if things get to frisky), this should make the car more tossable like the cars in it's class. The car is GOOD, but not 3-Series GREAT....... -
syswei Posts: 1,804the car WILL NOT outsell the 3
I would agree, provided that one ends "anytime soon" to the end of the sentence.
The 3 does what it does very well. Moreover, it is entrenched in its position, and in people's minds. A competitor merely matching the 3 in capabilities isn't going to outsell it.
But IF someone can produce something just a bit better, in overall handling/performance and/or reliabililty and/or styling, then over a 5-10 year timeframe, the 3 can be surpassed in unit sales, imho. -
blkhemi Posts: 1,717Very possible. However, the wigs in Bavaria will halt all new plans to drive the 3 if anything gets within it's comfort zone. Well, Lexus scratched the surface with 306hp. BMW will counterfire with 310-hp twin-turbo I6 with 325lb-ft of torque, this will definetely take the car under 5 seconds. BUT: What does that mean for the M? We know it will be V8, but what power? Over 400, but nowhere close to it's big brothers M5/6's 500hp in fear of killing those cars.
The 3 has survived all this time by delivering what it's customers want. The car was long the pinnacle of poor reliablilty, yet they bought the cars continually in droves. The car's redo in '00 erased most problems and thus have infused reassurance with it's customer base, and this is why the 3 only has a 4 day lot time..... -
drfill Posts: 2,484Hemi, when did I say the IS would "kill" the 3-series?
If you would read my last post, it clearly stated that the IS is BMW's greatest challenge yet. That's all.
I have tempered enthusiasm for the IS. I still want to see the convertible due next Summer, and the manual tranny for the 350.
The Next G35 is not to be overlooked either!
When the IS is fully realized, and the G35 reinvented, they should both be putting out 75k units, which will be similar to competing units from BMW. The other 15 variants will give the 3 higher total numbers, doh.
If you are going to TRY and quote me, at least copy and paste, to avoid such errors in the future. :sick:
Thank You.
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hpowders Posts: 4,269BMW is far from complacent. They are always improving their vehicles' driving dynamics, which is why the others won't catch them.
Most 3 Series reviewers state the current 3 Series is better than ever. The car continue to evolve.
They just have to keep Bangle away from those tail lights. -
syswei Posts: 1,804They are always improving their vehicles' driving dynamics, which is why the others won't catch them.
All auto companies are always improving their products. But the rate of improvement can vary, and there is NO assurance that BMW's rate of improvement will always equal or exceed the competition's.
Before Lexus introduced the RX, didn't it look like the ML dominated its segment?
Didn't MB probably think at one time (like 1988) that it had nothing to fear in the S segment?
Didn't Cadillac at one time dominate some of its segments?
BMW and the 3 are not invincible. Maybe the 3 will be at the top of the heap 10 years from now. Or maybe not. -
dewey Posts: 5,243Most 3 Series reviewers state the current 3 Series is better than ever. The car continue to evolve
My fellow BMW fan I respect your opinions but the real question is what will the 3 evolve into?
In order to discover where it is going you will have to look at where BMW's R & D $$$ are going. The link below is a good indicator where not only the BMW 3 series is going but where the entire BMW productline is going:
http://www.worldcarfans.com/news.cfm/newsid/2060804.010/country/gcf/bmw/bmw-late- - - - st-driver-assistance-r-d-developments
Their R & D is focused on "Driver Assistance Technologies"?
Ain't that a hoot!
The Ultimate Driving Machine is becoming the Ultimate Rider's Machine with minimal involvement from the driver.
If this is the future of the BMW 3 then I can assure you the future 3 will not be in my garage. -
dewey Posts: 5,243Personally I think Bangle looks much better in wagon form than sedan form.
Based on my unbiased opinion the 5 series Touring wagon is the best looking wagon on this planet. And ofcourse the second best looking wagon is the 3 series Touring.
Only Bangle can make a wagon look this sexy. -
tagman Malibu, CaliforniaPosts: 8,441My fellow BMW fan I respect your opinions but the real question is what will the 3 evolve into?
Excellent question, isn't it? And what will the Lexus IS evolve into? More power? Better handling?
Oh, I'm sure no one here thinks that the IS can be any threat to the mighty BMW, and so far I would agree that it isn't much of one, but my crystal ball tells me that the future will be different, and Lexus will step on BMW territory.
When the LS first came out, who would have thought that it could possibly impact the almighty S-Class the way it did and does?
I am absolutely a Eurocar fan, but I have tremendous respect for the marketing capabilities of Lexus in this country. The Lexus/Mercedes lesson is one for the history books . . . we either learn from it or we don't.
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hpowders Posts: 4,269Well, I must agree with you-if BMW corrupts its mission with more driver assist technology-(its adaptive steering has widely been proclaimed to be "a disaster")-such as MB has done with the new S Class where I hear the car can practically drive itself, I would no longer be interested.
This is fine for Lexus and MB, but would be a total shame if BMW caves. -
dhamilton Posts: 873mentioned this before on here, but I "think" the biggest competition for the 3 in the future is going to come from Audi. The next body style [09, or 2010 I think] is supposed to come with improved weight distribution and the usual Audi brilliance.
Competition is a good thing me thinks.... :P -
allcarsrcool Posts: 113Some people tend to disagree on the sucess of the R-Class, I just happen to think it depends on where one lives. But I think those people did not see that i also mentioned the Chrysler Pacifica which is more successful than the R-Class because it costs about $30-40,000 less. And though the pacifica is cheaper it still has the same basic features, heated rear seats, 3 rows, 6 seats, & a flat folding 3rd row. They both offer the same nice alternative to the minivan. So let me rephrase what i said before. Would Lexus consider venturing into that market with a new crossover, or does the RX already take that spot?
guest Posts: 774Mercedes and Chrysler are answering a question nobody is asking.
How far do you take the station wagon (Without calling it a station wagon)?
I would put more R&D into a super minivan, which Americans seem more partial to, than a super station wagon, which Americans think of a relics that are remembered for wood paneling and seats that face backwards.
The RX doesn't need to change, or adjust to any other vehicle, particularly the R-Class.
What Lexus should do is make a bigger RX, like the HPX concept. The next Infiniti FX will only get bigger, and the SRX is already that size.
Truck chassis are in decline, and Lexus has a nice bullet still in their holster! :shades:
I'd say Lexus knows what their doing with the RX. Anyone care to disagree?


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When Ecuador struck oil in the 1970s, the tiny group of wealthy families who ran the place bought themselves mansions and
private jets. They threw a few bones to the poor: subsidies for gas and food. But then the price of oil plummeted. Suddenly, they were broke.
So they borrowed more money from the United States and the International Monetary Fund. Once again, they stuffed their own pockets with cash. But this time, they gave almost nothing to the poor. The United States and the IMF wouldnt let them. The loans were conditioned on free-market reforms: reducing subsidies, selling off state-owned enterprises, and letting foreign oil companies have their way.
Understand that history, and you will understand why the poor people rose up and toppled three presidents in Ecuador. You will also understand the meteoric rise of Rafael
Correa, who has built a career on criticizing the IMF and the United States.
Correa comes from that virulent reaction of people not just sensing that they were getting screwed over, but seeing it, said J.D. Bowen, an assistant professor of political science at Saint Louis University.
Correa isnt your average politician. Hes an economist, one of the few to get a chance to put his theories into practice. In 2001, he earned his Ph.D. from the University of Illinois at Urbana-Champaign. His dissertation examined why market-oriented reforms of the 1980s failed to make Latin America better off.
He concluded that the Americans pushing those policies didnt understand the vast inequality in Latin America between the elite, who controlled everything, and the poor, who just got the scraps.
To listen to them talk about the free market where most people do not have access to good education, good health, good wages, it was crazy, Correa said in an interview during a recent visit to Boston. Its one thing to sell off state-owned enterprises in Britain, where ordinary people have money to buy stock. Its another thing to auction them in a country of peasant farmers who have no way to participate.
In Illinois, Correa learned that the United States doesnt always practice what it preaches. When it comes to protecting their own vulnerable industries, Americans push the free market aside.
Yes, I am skeptical about free trade, Correa said, flashing a movie-star grin. I learned that from Alexander Hamilton.
Ultimately, he came to view capitalism and socialism as sets of tools to fix problems. The question was: Whose problems are you fixing? The problems of the majority? Or the elite?
After he got his degree, Correa returned to Ecuador to teach economics. He wrote memos for the Ministry of Finance, and swiftly got appointed minister. But he grew impatient with the ministrys submissiveness to the IMF. He quit with a big speech that made him famous. In 2006, he ran for president against Ecuadors richest man a banana magnate and won.
Since then, he is best known in the United States for rejecting a free trade agreement, refusing to renew the lease on a U.S. military base, and offering refuge to Julian Assange. On Capitol Hill, hes been called everything from an irresponsible rogue to a tyrant who stifles the press. It is true, especially in recent years, that he has used a heavy hand against his critics in the media and in some nongovernmental groups.
But his record speaks for itself. Correa has used Ecuadors oil wealth to target inequality, investing in education and infrastructure. Poverty has dropped from 35 percent in 2007 to 27 percent in 2012, according to World Bank data. Per capita income has risen from $3,310 to $5,170. Today, Ecuador has one of the fastest-growing economies in the region.
Perhaps one of the reasons that Correa has been so successful is that he isnt really the reckless ideologue that he pretends to be.
He may have announced in fiery speeches that he refused to pay back those fraudulent international loans. But quietly, he cut a deal that bondholders were willing to accept. Unlike Venezuelas Hugo Chavez, Correa has been very pragmatic, says Hans Humes, a longtime investor in Ecuador.
So maybe, at the end of the day, Correa is not a man who rejects the power of the markets invisible hand, but rather someone who thinks the hand works best after inequality is addressed. Wealth and power are inextricable. When a tiny group of the elite control everything, it hijacks the invisible hand to serve its interests alone. Thats not just a lesson for Latin America. Its one we should learn here in the United States.
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On The Blue Alert Tour
Newly posted to YouTube (six viewings at the time of this post ), this two minute video features an interview of Leonard Cohen and Anjani Thomas by Luce Gauthier, which took place in Toronto during the promotion of the Blue Alert album (released in Canada on May 2, 2006) and appears to have originally aired on TFO, the franco-ontarian public television network.
While most fans will already be familiar with the information in the interview, this new opportunity (at least the video is new to me) to hear Leonard Cohen and Anjani Thomas articulate the strengths each brought to their collaboration in creating Blue Alert shouldn't be missed. The video also includes clips from Anjani's performances.