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The federal health insurance marketplace Hoosiers are using lists a range of plans as well as sample rates based on several types of consumers: a single person age 27; a single person age 50; a couple at age 30 with two children; a single parent age 30 with two children; a couple age 40 with no children; and a child at any age.
Anthem Blue Cross Blue Shield provides the largest range, with fifteen options.
Seven Bronze plans monthly premiums range from $202.46 to $240.12 for the 27-year-old; $683.90 to $811.08 for the young couple with children; $464.63 to $551.03 for the single parent; and $123.65 to $145.49 for a child.
Five Silver plans range from $252.63 to $274.18 for the 27-year-old; $853.34 to $926.14 the young couple with children; $579.74 to $629.20 for the single parent, and $153.07 to $166.13 for a child.
There are three Gold plans, with two carrying the same price tags. A multi-state plan and a plan that includes child dental care cost the same: $357.94 for the 27-year old; $1209.08 for the young couple with children, $821.42 for the single parent, and $216.88 for the child. The lower-cost Gold plan premiums costs $341.22 (27-year-old), $1152.58 (couple with children), $783.04 (single parent), and $206.75 (child).
Anthem provides a catastrophic plan at $172.76 per month.
MDwise offers one plan in each level. Bronze plans are listed at $232.55 for a 27-year-old, $785.52 for a family, $533.66 for a single parent, and $140.90 for a child.
The Silver option offered by MDwise are listed at $265.71 (27-year-old), $897.50 (couple with children), $609.74 (single parent), and $160.99 (child).
MDwise Gold plans cost $317.81 for the young single, $1073.50 for the family, $729.31 for a single parent, and $192.56 for the child.
Those living in LaPorte County can expect MDwise prices to be around five percent higher than in Lake and Porter counties.
LaPorte County residents also have the option to sign up with Physicans Health Plan.
That plan offers four Bronze options, ranging from $220.62 to $227.87 for the young single, $745.26 to $769.76 for the family, $506.30 to $522.95 for the single parent, and $133.67 to $138.07 for a child.
PHP has two Silver plans, at $278.19 or $281.70 for the 27-year-old, $939.74 or $951.58 for the family, 638.43 or $646.47 for the single parent, and $168.56 or $170.68 for a child.
And it offers one Gold plan, with premiums at $375.03 (27-year-old), $1266.84 (couple with children), $860.65 (single parent), and $227.23 (child).
A catastrophic plan is listed at $187.57.
Brunnemer said PHP is not licensed to sell insurance in Lake and Porter counties.
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Today, Tom Doak's Pacific Dunes ranks alongside Coore and Crenshaw's Sand Hills as two of the finest modern courses in the world. Where Bandon Trails fits into the equation hardly matters, but I wanted to touch base with Doak, who knows the area as well as anyone, to hear his thoughts on how the Trails might distinguish itself.
"I walked some of the new course with Bill and Ben in late October," he responded by e-mail. "And I was impressed with what they had done with their site. The main thing I saw at Bandon Trails is that in trying to keep the native areas in view, Bill and Ben have made many of their fairways relatively narrow, even though the clearings are wide. Pacific Dunes has a lot of short grass around the greens so you can putt the ball from thirty feet off; Bandon Trails is hemmed in more tightly. I'm curious to see whether that makes it more difficult for the average golfer, or whether the native grasses can be maintained to keep the course playable—if anyone can do it, [superintendent] Ken Nice can."
Doak's right—the Trails is narrower, but for those who haven't made the pilgrimage to Bandon, he's also speaking in relative terms. Both Bandon Dunes and Pacific Dunes have plenty of fairways on which you could comfortably land the Goodyear blimp, much less a ProV1. I should immediately add that this hardly makes either course any less challenging—and Bandon Trails still offers much more room to play than many courses. Par at the Trails, as at its illustrious neighbors, is defended on and around the greens rather than by penal hazards in the fairways.
For all of this talk about difference, though, the most important aspects of Bandon Trails are the things that link the course to its neighbors and to the resort as a whole. From a playing standpoint, the Trails will feature the same sandy soil and firm and fast conditions that make Bandon and Pacific such shot-making pleasures. It will be a fair test for all levels of golfers—the quintessential cliché of golf PR, but there isn't a truer place to apply it than the Bandon Dunes resort. Like its sister courses, the Trails has a modest clubhouse of its own, staffed by people who don't need a sign on the wall reminding them to smile. It will take part in the same caddie program that should be the blueprint for American resort golf. And if you're without your regular foursome, you will likely be paired with some of the most passionate golfers anywhere.
It takes some dedication to make the journey to Bandon, but those who do are richly rewarded. And regardless of whether you make eagle or snowman on the fourteenth, after your round you'll still have the chance to repair to the Lodge and enjoy a glass of Oregon pinot noir while the sun sets on the links. It's often said that half the visitors here prefer Bandon Dunes, the other half Pacific, but by midsummer a third faction will likely have emerged, taking its place at the bar to defend the spirit and strategy of its new favorite course.
It keeps getting better and better
57744 Round Lake Drive
Bandon, Oregon 97411
Since opening in 1999, Bandon Dunes Golf Resort has made a meteoric rise to the forefront of American golf. Owner Mike Keiser selected Scottish designer David McLay Kidd for the resort's first course, Bandon Dunes, then turned to Tom Doak for the second, Pacific Dunes (2001). Both are authentic links in the mode of Great Britain and Ireland—walking-only paradises replete with crisp turf, shaggy bunkers, tricky greens and all the wind you can handle. Bandon Trails, designed by Bill Coore and Ben Crenshaw, is set to open in June.
Bandon Dunes is famously remote, but the golf is worth the long trip, and then some. (Unless you have a private jet at your disposal, in which case you can fly into North Bend, a small airport served primarily by propeller craft from Horizon and Alaska Airways.) The best way to get to the resort is to fly through Portland, Oregon, then connect on one of four daily flights to North Bend. From there, Bandon is a half-hour drive down the Pacific Coast Highway (Route 101). If it's a road trip you're after, Bandon is four and a half hours from Portland and nine from San Francisco.
Lodging at Bandon Dunes has a functional, modern charm. While accommodations aren't as luxurious as one might find elsewhere, it's comfortable and very much in keeping with the rugged surroundings. The stylishly rustic Lodge is being expanded for the 2005 season and features nineteen single rooms and two four-bedroom suites, ranging from $180 to $1,200. This is the hub of activity at Bandon and as a result should be booked well in advance. For more secluded digs, the Chrome Lake rooms and suites ($300$425) are well-appointed forest cabins, while the Lily Pond rooms ($260) represent the best value at the resort. The Grove cottages ($1,200), which open in June, are spacious, deluxe accommodations specially designed for foursomes.

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Origin Stories Winners Posted in Origin Stories | TU Chapters, Iroquois - 002, Madison-Gallatin - 024, Cape Cod - 460, Fred S. Burroughs North Jersey - 059, Doc Fritchey - 108, East Jersey - 091, Forbes Trail - 206, El Dorado - 927, Cherokee - 577, Sal Font -191
The votes are in and we are pleased to announce the winners of the 2014 Origin Stories contest. We have really enjoyed this journey through the history of these fine TU chapters. If you haven't had a chance to see the stories, please visit the Origin Stories group page.
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When Europeans arrived in Pennsylvania, "Penn's Woods," trees covered 90% of the land and brook trout thrived in its streams. The Allegheny Mountains were America's western frontier in colonial times. In 1758, from a fort built at the mountain village of Ligonier, now home to Trout Unlimited's... [ READ MORE... ]
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I put this together today just kind of making it up as I went along and came out with what I think is kind of like a hybrid Hare's Ear/ Copper John. I'd appreciate any feedback or opinions on how to make it better. I tied a few in tan and dark hare's ear as well. Here's the recipe:
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Don't worry. Danny is free on permanent blues bail. Just referencing the great Don Wilcock article title that is in Blues Wax describing Danny's recent show at Marble Valley Regional Correctional Facility in Rutland, Vermont on Friday, April 1, 2011. Don writes it so well, no point saying anymore, except that Danny used the same instincts that forms his music – to engage the men who came to hear him play. Talk about a potentially tough crowd. No small feat. You can read Don Wilcock's article here.
Neshama performing and speaking at the 2010 IdeaCity conference in Toronto last June. See here.
CRASH&BURN signed a deal with Sojourn Records and started recording their first release due out in late 2009/early 2010. A duo that sounds like so much more, CRASH&BURN describes themselves as this:
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Cave Drawings helped bring about the creation of Sojourn Records by bringing Laverack and Ambrosino together as they worked on the project. In the end, the decision to start the label postponed the release of the record but is a move Laverack does not regret. "I feel fortunate to have this record coming out at a time when we have several releases becoming available." Laverack states. " In many ways it allows me to see this record in perspective. The one thing I'm sure of is that it deserves to be heard. And it's a record we can be proud to release".
Sojourn Records released Danny Kalb's "I'm Gonna Live The Life I Sing About" in January 2009 and is releasing New York subway musician, Theo Eastwind's new release "King of the Underground" in July.
Ladies and Gentleman, the N train will be making all local stops... and Theo Eastwind's new album, King of the Underground is finally here. Theo, who worked with Mark Ambrosino at Sojourn Records (who recorded and produced this album), is releasing a full length acoustic and vocals-only album recorded live on the platform of the NYC subway over a few months in 2007. Though the actual location of the platform is a well-guarded trade secret, it is clearly under the streets of NYC and demonstrates Theo's amazing talent along with his dogged determination to highlight the subway musicians' world. What is apparent when listening is that the talent Theo has for songwriting and for pulling the listener in, exists despite any handicap that the location or fidelity might offer. Theo may be challenging himself while highlighting a location where he has spent many years making his living and growing an enormous fan base - and also selling 20,000+ CDs. This record has the flavor of a documentary without the images since there are many stories, both real and imagined within his life and music that provides a rich context to Theo's haunting vocals and open-tuned acoustic. Theo has been near the edges of "discovery" in his public domain, from encouraging words from Johnny Cash to arguing for 1st Amendment rights for street musicians on Fox 5 News, to playing one of the new songs from the Oasis release as part of the band's promotion in NYC. But he returns to the subway platform where he has grown comfortable and continues to be highly capable of earning a decent living while trying out new material. Glamorous, perhaps not, but riding freight trains in the early to mid 20th century wasn't for everyone either, and yet it is a rich part of American culture. Sojourn will get Theo back in the studio someday soon, but wanted to help him celebrate his art in an environment that he has grown to appreciate, and is at times an integral part of the arrangement.
Sojourn is promoting a new hybrid model for a music "label" by combining the promotion of great artists with great sounding recordings (i.e. Motown) with the power of the Web 2.0 movement which looks to a community of artists and avid participants for its creative, innovative and promotional power. Check out the About Sojourn page to read more about the Sojourn model and artists who are lining up to get involved.


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East Longmeadow Board of Selectmen hires new town accountantAug. 20, 2014 |
Chris Goudreau Angela Thorpe, chair of the board, and Selectman Paul Federici voted in favor of hiring Menard, while Selectman William Gorman opposed it. Caliento said before the announcement that he approved of the Board of Selectmen's decision to hold interviews for the town accountant position. "You want to walk away maintaining the operation because … it can fall apart very quickly," he said. "I want to make sure that doesn't happen if I am not your candidate." Thorpe said that one aspect which stood out for Menard was her certification as a public accountant and her desire to be certified in the municipal context. "I hate this process the way it is and you end up feeling, especially in this situation, like a Benedict Arnold … especially when I've worked with someone from day one," Federici said. Originally one of the qualifications for the position was a certification as a municipal accountant, he noted. "We originally had seven candidates apply, only one of them had that designation and that person withdrew their application before we got to the questions last Thursday [Aug. 14 during an executive session] for the interviews," Federici added. Gorman stated that one of the probable causes of the one candidate with the municipal accountant certification withdrawing from the running for the position was the salary. Thorpe and Federici both agreed with Gorman's assertion. "I think that the accountant should be paid one of the higher positions in East Longmeadow because that's the heart of East Longmeadow but that isn't the situation here right now," Gorman said. During her interview, Menard said her current position is as an accounting manager for an unspecified hospital group. When she began working as accounting manager, a large portion of the senior executives such as the chief financial officer (CFO) and the interim CFO left the organization unexpectedly, she said. Small financial entities within the organization were left to Menard to oversee without any knowledge about their operations such as whether they were profitable, she added. "And so I had to do all of that from scratch without having outside help and knowledge and I was able to do that," Menard said. "So I feel that those are skill sets that you have to learn by doing, that you can't necessarily be taught." In other business, the Board of Selectman held interviews for a part-time health agent position, which is 15 hours a week and pays $22 an hour, on Aug. 14. There are two candidates for the position and the announcement will likely take place at a Board of Selectmen meeting in early September, Thorpe said. Andrew DaCruz, a candidate for the position, said that he has worked as a public health inspector for the city of Ludlow for six years and currently works from 6:30 a.m. until 4 p.m. at that position. "First and foremost, I'm not there to turn a blind eye because if I do than that's on me," he said. "If somebody gets sick, if something happens, if somebody gets hurt, that's on me and that's on the town." Dawn Toon, the other candidate for the position, currently works for the town of Sturbridge as a public health inspector and has been in that position since June 2014. Toon said she also has nearly 20 years experience as a personal protective equipment technical support specialist, which includes work with safety goggles and eyewear. "We're really here to protect people, we don't want anybody to get sick," she added. |


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hello gardenwebbers: I have a somewhat unusual problem I'd like your ideas on. I recently broke my left ankle and left arm and returned home after almost two months in a rehab facility. I'm anxious to get my two dogs home with me again but am trying to figure out a safe way to let them outside since I'm not really able to handle hooking them up to leashes right now. I live in a condo complex which doesn't allow permanent structures (fences) to be installed. I'm looking for a simple temporary fencing solution that is somewhat attractive or at least not offensive to my neighbors. I'm thinking something that just spans across my front sidewalk from garage wall on the right to neighbor's wall on the left. I'm attaching a picture to help illustrate. My brother thinks it's about a 15 foot span. My dogs are small and old so it doesn't need to be super sturdy. One dog is a pug and the other is a little eight-pound dachshund. Any ideas are truly appreciated. I miss my little sweeties! |
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We have a kids configurable playard that we use for the dogs. Ours is in the house and I configure it for however I want to block them from certain rooms. I have seen people use them at campgrounds outside their RVs for their traveling pets. You can buy extensions for it to make it bigger if needed. Ours works well and even though we have big dogs, they never tried to jump it or knock it over. |
Here is a link that might be useful: Superyard
- Posted by technicolor (My Page) on Fri, Oct 11, 13 at 10:28
There are some inexpensive vinyl garbage surrounds (sounds awful, but they are very decorative). They could be attached with small hinges to span the area, then removed easily later. Many designs. Even a wood 3' fence panel is easy on the pocket book, different syles. Am assuming your little dogs wouldn't jump this. Go to the HD or Lowes site and look at all available. Bought a wood arbor for $40 in craftsman style which I rehabbed as a gate for the front fence. Two would make the width you need and are 3'1/2 high laid on their side. |
Lowes and HD sell these metal gates and fence panels that are very easy to install. They slip over a stake that can easily be put in the grass. I used the gates as a way to keep my dogs out of the living room. I only used 2 gate panels, but you can get any type of configuration you want. I think each panel is less than 3 feet long. (these were hung a little cattywompus, after some adjusting they now like up perfectly) |
Yep this Lowes NO DIG fencing system seems the perfect solution for your pooches. I've listed the parts you'll need. Maybe you don't even need the gate, just the fence panels & connecting poles. It won't break the bank. and then you can pull them up after you're healed and walking again. Since they're black, they won't draw too much attention in the community from your neighbors. |
Pugga, your story almost brought tears to my eye's. Bless your heart! Any of the above fences would be perfect. Not expensive at all and you can arrange them any way you see fit. But first you need to contact the manager and both of your neighbors and let them know the situation. Surely they have a heart and won't mind. Please take it easy and here's hoping your babies come home soon! |
Oh, thank you all so much for the suggestions. I am hoping my brother can take me to Home Depot tomorrow to pick up the materials. Beverly, I really appreciate your effort in figuring out what I would need and the cost! A gate would be ideal but I didn't think such a thing existed for temporary fencing. My neighbors are all aware of my accident and they all have dogs themselves so I don't anticipate any problem with them turning me in to the landscape board! |
Pugga, Maybe they have the fence at Home Depot too, but this system I posted is from LOWES. |
- Posted by pricklypearcactus (My Page) on Fri, Oct 11, 13 at 17:20
I bought some low (maybe 2' tall) wire fence, probably from HD years ago. They were panels that hooked together and you can just push them into the ground. They won't stop a German Shepherd from eating your tomatoes (learned the hard way), but they'd probably stop a small elderly dog from getting out of the yard. They were really easy to set up and take down. |
We don't have a Lowe's here in Madison. I'm hoping I'll find something close to that at HD tomorrow. I'm too anxious to have my dogs home with me to wait for an online order! |
I created a temporary fence out of white plastic lattice panels. I think they were 8 feet long by two feet tall. I drilled each end into wood stakes. My miniature schnauzers never tried to jump over. My temporary fence lasted 5 years until a bigger dog joined the family and I had to put up a real fence. |
pugga, my former neighbor was repairing his lawn during the last year - from two pugs and a dingo/shepherd mix. A section at a time, but he did like to let the dogs out for free play time and not just on leashes. He bought the above black temp fencing at Home Depot and it worked out beautifully. He does have a gate. Reconfigures the whole thing every few weeks to replant and strengthen different areas of grass. |
- Posted by technicolor (My Page) on Sat, Oct 12, 13 at 8:34
HD doesn't have the metal fencing instock like Lowes. Since your Lowes is so far away, for the price, it may be worth having it shipped overnight for you. Usually standard shipping is only 3 days. I know the love of animals and hope you get them with you soon. They will be a large part of your healing. |
FYI, I saw that exact fencing at Home Depot when I was there this week. Looks like the ideal solution and so easy to install.Now my old dog would have leaped over it with ease, but it sounds like yours would not. My old dog even ran through screen doors. He was determined! |
Thanks to everyone! We went to HD this morning and didn't find the black fencing, which would have been ideal. Instead, I got a couple of six-foot white lattice rectangular trellises that we laid on their side and tied together. Not as pretty as the black fencing but will serve its purpose. And, best of all, my doggies are home with me and currently snoring at my feet. |
Now that's a happy ending! I love the image and glad everyone is home and cozy. |
Awww, bet they are happy to have you there as you are to have them! |
- Posted by newbuyer2007 (My Page) on Sat, Oct 12, 13 at 23:56
I'm so glad to hear that you have your dogs home again! It must be such a relief and I'm sure they are so glad to see you. Good luck with healing. |
- Posted by technicolor (My Page) on Sun, Oct 13, 13 at 18:26
Happy life together. And glad the trellis idea worked. Get well soon. |
Pugga, I'm glad you are home with your little friends. I'm sure you will heal all the faster now. Beth P. |
I truly appreciate all the good wishes. Gardenwebbers are such a supportive group. |
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The Real Problem Transcends Policy
By Kenneth R. Weinstein
The Hudson Institute
The unspeakable tragedy at Virginia Tech is not a public policy problem but something that greatly transcends it. Monday's carnage might possibly have been limited through a number of policy options: greater controls on the sale of semi-automatic weapons; better mental health laws that can help force obviously ill adults like the murderer -- whose own writings foreshadowed the attacks -- into counseling and therapy, even against their will; and improved methods of instantaneous emergency communication that in Blacksburg, as on 9/11, could well have saved many.
The real problem is deeper. We live in a vibrant civil society, in which individuals take their responsibilities to each other seriously. We also live in a schizophrenic age: a church-going era, but one of electronic fantasy, of individualized entertainment that encourages atomization from our immediate social environment.
When, at times, our culture glorifies gratuitous and consequence-free violence through horror movies, Internet sites, and video and computer games, the impact on marginal personalities, like the murderer, can be deadly. That the mix of fantasy, narcissism, social frustration, mental illness and access to semi-automatic weapons does not lead to even more frequent acts of horrific violence is itself astonishing.
In short, the problem goes well beyond Washington -- to New York and Hollywood, but also to every home in America. Parents have a responsibility to be watchful of their own children, to be honest about their children's pastimes and their mental states.
Kenneth R. Weinstein is CEO of the Hudson Institute
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Why should anyone bother to read or even consider anything you say when you are so 100% completely off base with this - purely inflammatory and utterly irrelevant - statement
"greater controls on the sale of automatic weapons, which are almost impossible for victims to defend against and have no justifiable use for hunting"
Greater controls on automatic weapons?
What's your point other than to deliberatly misinform people. With this statement, you have thrown any shred of credibiltiy for you or your organization out the window. Ken, the only reaction one could have is your an untrustworthy, attention seeking liar.
First, he didn't use an autormatic weapon (and the assualt weapon ban your probably shilling for doesn't address them).
Second, the manufacture and sale to civilians of NEW automatic weapons has been completely banned since 1986. Those weapons that were manufactured prior to that cost in the 10s of thousands of dollars, require significant local police and federal approval and carry with them onerous registration and secure storage requirements.
"almost impossible for victims to defend against"
Automatic weapons are no more difficult or easy to defend against than any other gun. Heck, they may actually be easier to because, as our military has seen, when fired they are notoriously inaccurate (muzzles tend to shoot straight up). Its why the military uses guns that shoot in 3 shot bursts - cause they don't want to waste ammo.
"have no justifiable use for hunting"
Well, yeah. But so what. 2nd amendment has nothing to do with hunting.
Posted by: Countertop | April 18, 2007 06:27 PM
apparently this meant to be sarcastic. If so, then ... well . . . good point! I take back what I said about you guys.
Posted by: countertop | April 18, 2007 07:52 PM
You say "better mental health laws that can help force ill adults ...into counseling and therapy, even against their will..."
Uh huh and what happens when you wnat to die peacefully not hooked up to machines and the doctors insist on it against your will? If you get your way, you lose and the doctors win.
It is EXACTLY the same legal principle. Individuals have the rght to refuse medical care.
The only time the state steps in and forces care is when there is an "imminent" danger to the person themself or to others (or if they are so mentally ill that they can not care for themselves with food, bathing etc.) Once the person is stabilized so they are no longer an immediate danger to themself or others, they are released - and have every right to drop out of counseling or stop their meds (just as you can refuse a medical test or treatment if you think will exceed your insurance coverage.)
The writings were bizarre but they were not a threat. If you lock people up for writing bizzare and twisted things, then you start with Stephen King, Maven of the horror flicks and move on to a LOT more. One standard has to apply for everyone. And no one knew 40 years ago whether King was just weird or what so he should have been committed and forced into treatment if you base it on fictional writing that is bizzare without threats being made.
"FORCED" counseling?? Oh there is a bright idea. It is like an alcholic, if the person doesn't want help, it won't happen.
Muddled thinking about how a change will effect other legal rights is not useful. Go get a law degree - I did.
Posted by: AnnS | April 18, 2007 11:37 PM
Just two quick corrections and a comment. First, the killers weapons were semi-automatics. Second, the clips used in the weapons would have been illegal under the assualt weapons ban that was allowed to expire in 2004. If the shooter had standard clips he would have had to reload much more frequently, thereby theoretically giving the students and teachers more time to react or possibly subdue the assailant.
Posted by: Bill H | April 19, 2007 01:04 AM
"Well, yeah. But so what. 2nd amendment has nothing to do with hunting."
And the 2nd amendment does not give anyone the right to own semi-automatic guns or handguns. It gave early americans the right to have weapons when convening a militia. There are few if any militias left in this country so this is an obselete need. And when the 2nd amendment was enacted, muskets were the only guns people had so how about we allow muskets and ban everything else?
The fact is handguns are meant to kill people. There is no reason for anyone but police officers and the military to own them. They do not protect homeowners and their families as they are far more likely to be used in suicides, gun accidents, one family member killing another, etc.
We need courageous leaders to stop this maddness and BAN all handguns and semi-automatic weapons. If you need a gun for hunting, use a rifle. Or even better. A musket.
Posted by: | April 19, 2007 06:05 AM
Unknown . . . a few thoughts
"few if any militias left in this country"
Not true. The modern day militia, per congress, still consists of all able bodied males 17-49. Id suspect it probably includes females too. And what has transpired, with a nation of concealed carry holders amounts to the same thing.
"when the 2nd amendment was enacted, muskets were the only guns people had so how about we allow muskets and ban everything else"
Love to see this in the Post. When the first amendment was enacted, soapboxes and hand distributed leaflets were the only outlets for media. How bout we ban tv, radio, internet, and modern pritning presses (nothing more than word hoses, in my mind) and everything else but the town square soapbox
"The fact is handguns are meant to kill people"
Is it? He used a Walther P22. Thats actually a target pistol meant to assault sheets of paper. My Ruger Blackhawk in .45 Colt is designed to shoot deer. In fact, something must be seriously wrong since I have about a dozen and not one has ever killed anyone.
Posted by: countertop | April 19, 2007 07:00 AM
"better mental health laws that can help force obviously ill adults like the murderer -- whose own writings foreshadowed the attacks -- into counseling and therapy, even against their will"
While better access to mental health care would be benefitial to a number of people, the usefulness of counseling and therapy depends upon the willingness of the client to make use of it.
Posted by: JL | April 19, 2007 09:00 AM
The purpose of the Second Amendment is to make the Federal government wary of an armed populace that could form militias at any time and overthrow it, if necessary. If you're going to insist on emphasizing the well-regulated militia aspect, you're going to have to advocate automatic weaponry for all able bodied men, since a militia with muskets meant to respond to the U.S. Armed Forces would not be considered well-regulated.
Posted by: Lefty | April 19, 2007 09:05 AM
To countertop:
You are a moron. We have an professional military. We don't have a need for citizens to keep firearms in case the british come to attack us. That is why the 2nd amendment was enacted--not to give ordinary people the right to keep guns in their homes once a formal military was created.
And handguns, semi automatics and automatic weapons were not created for hunting. That's what rifles are for. You can use whatever gun you like to shoot deer, but it doesn't mean that gun was invented for hunting. So completely unnecessary. There is plenty of evidence that guns in people's homes are most often used against other family members or in suicides. You're a fool to think you or any other gun owner is safe just because it hasn't happened to you.
The rest of us have a right to be safe and as long as guns are so easy to get, I feel unsafe. We need much stronger gun laws and when that happens our murder rates will approach the rates seen in other countries with more sane laws.
Posted by: | April 19, 2007 09:46 AM
This boy apparently was receiving some kind of treatment as they found antidepressants on him or in his room. Often SSRIs have been found to trigger violent episodes in young people. It is obvious he has been crying for help for years. My question is what was the quality of the help given? The cost of intensive individual and group psychotherapy is beyond the ability of most people to pay. Insurances rarely pay for more than 12 to 20 sessions per year. I doubt that even if he wanted it, that affordable, effective treatment would be available. Even if he had been hospitalized for a much longer period, I doubt that he would have been given the one on one treatment necessary to effect change in his personality. You can drug someone up but the drugs don't solve the problem. As soon as the person is released they often stop the drugs. This boy obviously missed out on the socialization process somewhere. He was probably teased for being different as a child so I'll bet you he even showed signs of this disorder in elementary or high school. But in retrospect, one can't place blame on any one factor. There are a host of factors in play and all of them came together in one tragic event. But then look at the young boys blowing themselves up daily and taking hundreds with them for some kind of glory in Iraq.
Posted by: PR | April 19, 2007 09:57 AM
To [anonymous]: Why did you post on a topic I had already refuted 41 minutes earlier? The Second Amendment protects us from OUR government going bad. I'm surprised people can call him King George and other things, and not see the wisdom in allow us the means to resist tyranny.
Posted by: Lefty | April 19, 2007 10:13 AM
This all boils down to logic versus emotion. Logic dictates that sane people should be able to protect themselves from insane, crazy or criminal people at all times. This protection today would take the shape of a handgun since that is the easiest defensive weapon that can be used by many. Trying to outlaw every possible weapon that could be used to attack others would be impossible to say the least. Besides the fact that there have been mass murders with knives and swords and even poison, just saying guns are the problem is ignorant. Without a person behind it, a gun is an inanimate object. With a person behind the wheel, a car is far more dangerous. Just look at the death rate of automobile accidents compared with gun related deaths, 50,000 to 30,000. Which is more deadly in that equation? Automobiles. How many people are screaming for restricting cars to 65mph top speeds?
THINK before you speak or write. If you really think, you will realize that freedom is not free but, it is worth it. You will also realize that freedom gives everyone the right to self defense, without government controls.
The Bill of Rights means exactly what it says. Let's start enforcing it again. This Cho person would have easily been stopped if just ONE Professor in the building had been able to shoot back.
Posted by: Richard | April 19, 2007 10:26 AM
I concur with your comments about the responsibility of the parents.
Public policy was adhered to by the players. Cho had gone through the proper means and procedures for gun purchase in Virginia. Health and privacy policies effectively tied the hands of the university officials, police, teachers, counselors. Yet Cho's parents are barely mentioned in any media reporting.
If I am correct, the parents agreed to have Cho involuntarily admitted for mental health treatment. This indicates that the parents were aware of Cho's mental condition.
One would think that the parents and sister would notice Cho's degrading mental condition. From a cultural perspective, and speaking from experience as an Asian American (Filipino-American), I would assume that the parents chose to ignore the problem and let others handle it (conflict avoidance is a classic characteristic among Asian families), or that the situation would work itself out. Indeed, the situation has worked itself out with dire consequences.
I highly recommend that you read Crazy by Peter Earley. He is a Washington Post reporter who wrote about his own experiences as a parent with a mentally ill adult child. He also explores the deplorable conditions of the mental health system.
This isn't about gun control. Its about living in a society dominated by fear. I think its fine to have it for sport (hunting, shooting, etc.) I do not think that having-it-for-protection is a good enough reason to own a gun. We live in a society of fear and paranoia. Guns drive that fear and paranoia; it sets off a domino effect where individuals have to protect themselves with guns from people who have guns. No one should have to live in fear.
Posted by: Ed C | April 19, 2007 11:02 AM
I agree with Ed when it comes to the gun culture driving fear and paranoia. I disagree that "this isn't about gun control". If that is so, then the Virginia Tech mass murder is not about insanity either. Then we can agree that it's pretty much about nothing at all.
Let's get serious. Pro-gun advocates set an impossibly high standard of efficacy for gun control laws. But one can always point to situations where a given law would not work. The key point is that these killing tools (because that's what they are) are freely available. Let's change that.
Posted by: Larry | April 19, 2007 11:22 AM
Guns have been freely available for centuries in this country! This type of murder is relatively new, so you can't tie the two together. The problem is that people are not acting responsibly with weapons in general these days. Why do you think knife crime is such a big deal in London now? (Because they banned guns.) Nobody _needs_ to shoot their food in the age of 99-cent cheeseburgers; however, it takes over ten minutes for the cops to show up when you're face to face with a murderer! (Call them, they'll tell you what their response time is.)How can you think you're safe without your own firearm when an army of cops on a gun-free campus can't stop 30 people from being killed by one guy with a pistol? Only those staring down his barrel knew where he was, and they could do nothing.
Posted by: Lefty | April 19, 2007 11:37 AM
Thanks for you thoughtful comments. It seems to me that the self defense argument for guns is largely a fantasy, sorry to say. Life is not like the movies or "24". Even armed, we are paralyzed by fear when faced with violence. News stories with guns are about murder; there are very very few self defense stories.
And the reason knife murders make headlines in London is that murder is so rare... because there are virtually no guns!
Posted by: Lefty | April 19, 2007 11:43 AM
sorry the last post by "Lefty" was really by me. apologies.
Posted by: Larry | April 19, 2007 11:48 AM
Your right. Let's get rid of the guns. Then lets get rid of the bows and arrows - those are killing tools as well. After that we need to curtail all knives and axes since thier primary job is to cut things, the things being cut could be someone's throat. After we're done with that let's ban vehicles as well. While not dangerous by itself, it becomes so when a human operates it with bad or no judgement at all.
A gun is a tool like a knife or an axe or an automobile, built for a purpose, to project a tiny amount of metal at other objects at an increadible amount of speed. It is entirely up to the person using that tool where to direct that tiny amount of metal.
I wouldn't say they are freely available. I wouldn't know who to ask to get one illeagally but I'm pretty sure it's done quite often. One only needs to look to D.C. with the gun ban and how great that's worked for 30+ years to know that extreme regulation isn't a solution. Go ask Australia how it's worked for them.
The problem is many fold, and it isn't the gun laws on the books that failed. That process worked as it was supposed to.
Posted by: Chris | April 19, 2007 11:50 AM
I agree with your statement "News stories with guns are about murder; there are very very few self defense stories". Why do you think that is? Perhaps because mainstream media is less intent on telling those stories than selling the horror. I would cordially invite you to a plethera of stories - current ones at that, which support the over 2.5 million defensive uses of armed citizens each year in Virginia at this website:
Ignorance is more dangerous than anything else.
Posted by: Chris | April 19, 2007 11:55 AM
Larry, I'm sorry to say you're just ignorant. Who's going to print the thousands of stories that say "Man threatened, pulls gun. Felon leaves?" If murder was so rare in the UK, why would gun or knife crime be a national issue? They just traded one weapon for another. I ask you, would you put a "gun free home" sign on your front lawn? No, you wouldn't because the uncertainty keeps you safe from most people who want your stuff or even your life.
Posted by: Lefty | April 19, 2007 12:03 PM
I digress Larry, it's 2.5 Million defensive uses a year nation wide, not Virginia alone. I was incorrect.
Posted by: Chris | April 19, 2007 12:12 PM
Here is a use within the last 7 years in VA:
January 2000--Peter Odighizuwa went on a shooting rampage at Appalachian Law School in Virginia. When it began, students fled in all directions, but two, Mikael Gross, 34, and Tracy Bridges, 25, ran to their cars, retrieved their guns, and confronted the shooter, who promptly dropped his weapon, and he was knocked to the ground and held for police (Computerized Nexis-Lexis search revealed 280 media stories. Only four (4) mentioned that students with guns stopped the shooter; only two that they pointed their guns at him.)
You should know by now not to trust everything the media tells you, just like you should closely question any poll you see because statistics can be easily skewed to serve the presenters point.
Posted by: Chris | April 19, 2007 12:30 PM
Apologies for being skeptical but http://opencarry.mywowbb.com/forum60/ is an openly pro-gun web site. What dispassionate, objective peer-reviewed study substantiates these claims?
And Lefty, murder is "so rare" in the UK that knife crimes make the news. Our murder rate is a multiple of what it is in the rest of the civilized world. And if it is not guns that cause this, then it must mean that we are uniquely murderous and depraved. I choose to believe it is the guns that are to blame, not our moral character.
Posted by: Larry | April 19, 2007 12:52 PM
Well, there's nothing I can do about your personal choices on what to believe. People in the United States have less regard for the lives of others today than they did in the past. However, I can tell you that you're wrong about the rate, the UK and Australia are worse than the U.S. per capita. You're in the wrong forum if you think we won't call you on stats you made up on the fly. When the UK bans knives, they'll use some other improvised weapon, I'd imagine. After all, crude weapons are seized from inmates every day.
Posted by: Lefty | April 19, 2007 01:15 PM
I think we got to the bottom of your motivation, Larry. You believe that people are inherently good, despite millenia of proof otherwise. Our moral character is in tatters, from the mainstreaming of pornography and gambling to the rise of slasher films. Kids are told to judge right and wrong for themselves on how something makes them feel, which removes any sort of collective framework for morality like you mention.
Posted by: Lefty | April 19, 2007 01:34 PM
True, the website I provided is a pro-gun site. Provide me with a dispassionate, objective peer review, and I'll be more than willing to look at it, as I am sure the majority of the people who are on that site will be. Most citizens who choose to carry are more likely to obey the full letter of the law, because they know it and they know the consequences of stepping out of line. There are always going to be people willing to break the law though, and it's extremely difficult to stop a highly motivated and dedicated person on a mission.
Murder isn't as rare as you think though, here I hope is some proof from a dispassionate, objective peer-reviewed study.
Crime statistics - Murders with firearms by country
#5 Mexico 3,589
#7 Germany 384
#12 Canada 165
#20 United Kingdom 62
#21 Australia 59
#23 Switzerland 40
#29 Denmark 14
SOURCE: Seventh United Nations Survey of Crime Trends and Operations of Criminal Justice Systems, covering the period 1998 - 2000 (United Nations Office on Drugs and Crime, Centre for International Crime Prevention)
Posted by: Chris | April 19, 2007 02:01 PM
In 2003 there were 341 homicides in Australia.
There are a variety of means by which homicide is committed. In 2003-04 knives were more likely to be used than any other weapon (33%).
A further 22% of homicides were committed using physical force (hands/feet), 17% with firearms, and 12% with blunt instruments.
Source - figure 10
As a comparison, in 2004 in Virginia, 391 homicides were committed, 69.4% with a gun (doesn't specify type -hand, rifle, semi, or automatic), knife at 11.3%, and other at 19.3%
Source here
Those are objective peer reviewed dispassionate sites. The one I listed exists because it's not popular for the main stream media to report on the cases where legally carrying and trained citizens use these tools to defend themselves. I live close to Sully Station PD, but I don't know that if they'd be able to respond in time to save my life, much less catch a potential perpetrator, and I'd rather not take that chance.
Posted by: Chris | April 19, 2007 02:27 PM
Chris, the data you provide (thanks btw!) seems to show that the US has far more firearms murders than other countries, proportionally. So, either Americans are more murderous than others, or guns are to blame. I choose to believe that guns are to blame.
On the "inherently good" point, I take no stand. I just notice that the murder rate has been falling consistently throughout history. I saw a study (though I cannot recall its reference off the cuff) that shows that humans murder each other at increasingly lower rates since the Middle Ages. The trend is actually quite amazing; we have been consistently safer as the centuries have passed. BTW, by our standards, the society/culture of our Founding Fathers was quite ghastly. So I guess I believe in humans' ability to improve themselves and reach ever higher moral ground, with occasional steps backwards. Wide gun ownership is one such step the wrong way.
Posted by: Larry | April 19, 2007 05:32 PM
Unfortunately this tragedy shows the huge gulf between Western Europe and the US when it comes to how murder is treated.
The EU states have an outright ban on state executions while the US permits the death penalty.
In a country where the state itself sees capital punishment as a credible judicial remedy it is not difficult for citizens to expound such ludicrous theories that this massacre would have been minimised if guns were allowed to all students on campus.
By this logic anywhere that there are masses of people - the elementary school, the library, the cinema, the bowling alley, the preschool - people should have the right to carry loaded lethal weapons. Too many people have been brought up on a diet of Ramboesque action movies and John Wayne posturing yet it is surprising that they aren't a little bit embarrassed about broadcasting such juvenile views.
I'm always struck on entering or leaving the US through Canada that the Customs officers on the US side are armed while their colleagues on the Canadian side are not. What do the officials on either side of the border suspect happens when individuals cross that line or does it simply reflect national views on law enforcement?
Do US citizens really feel under so much threat from without when the stats show that the 200m private firearms within are the greatest threat to civil society. One in four US citizens has at least one gun. But the bright hope for the future is that 75% of US citizens do not. 75% of citizens are rational people who see beyond the hysteria, hype and marketing of the gun lobby.
Some respondents have talked about the second amendment as though it was some unchangeable natural law ethic. It is an amendment and as such can be 'amended' if the will of the vast majority of US citizens were listened to.
It is sad that the self-interest of the armed minority are the most vocal lobby and at such times, when deeper reflection is required, they rush to defend the indefensible.
Posted by: Matt | April 20, 2007 04:58 AM
I would be inclined to say Americans are more murderous, but that isn't exactly true either. Look at what's going on over seas in some of the third world countries. The statistic aren't telling the whole story, just that Americans are using handguns because they are available - legally or not - which isn't pointed out in the stats.
I think that you'd find that an additional comparision needs to be done, with homicides by legally obtained and carrying and trained citizens verses illegally obtained and untrained thugs.
Stats can be a problem, as I pointed out earlier, because they may not tell the whole story.
Posted by: Chris | April 20, 2007 11:25 AM
I say ban all guns and give everybody a NUKE! Now that will REALLY give you a power rush.
Posted by: Bill MacLeod | April 22, 2007 06:00 AM
Think Tank Town The Real Problem Trancends Policy Kenneth R. Weinstein, CEO of the The Hudson Institute --- There are two paragraphs in the article which in my opinion contain much of the solution namely ---When, at times, our culture glorifies gratuitous and consequence-free violence through horror movies, Internet sites, and video and computer games, the impact on marginal personalities, like the murderer, can be deadly. That the mix of fantasy, narcissism, social frustration, mental illness and access to semi-automatic weapons does not lead to even more frequent acts of horrific violence is itself astonishing.
In short, the problem goes well beyond Washington -- to New York and Hollywood, but also to every home in America. Parents have a responsibility to be watchful of their own children, to be honest about their children's pastimes and their mental states.-----
Let me explain from my experience. I was brought up in the 1930's in the tail end of the Victorian Era and in the Great Depression. Two great values strongly enforced by society, not the law, were ignore completely sex and personal violence.Even teen-age boys were not allowed to fight and never, never, hit a woman. I played hockey in winter and football in summer nearly every day after school and on weekends we played teams from other neighborhoods. All of this was organized by ourselves - no parents involved. There never was any fighting. If you did any fighting you and your team were instantly disqualified and no one would play with you again. If you did not keep the sex code and no public show of emotion - no one would associate with you. Naturally there were people who did not believe in the sex and emotion code and they were looked upon as second-class citizens. ----- Discipline and responsibility were important also. For example newspaper boxes on the street were open - just sheltered from the rain. Even though money was scarce and sometimes food there was little if any breakdown of law and order. ----- Now I had a brother who was quite intelligent and lead the class at school who in his 20's became eventually very anti-social, would not see a doctor or psychologist and in the end left home and lived on the street, got sick and died. There never was any violence against other people which I put down partly to the inbred values, mental habits, and because of the attitudes of society any small indication of violence etc. would be immediately noticed by everyone.---- We pay a big price in society today because of our great lack of responsibility, discipline, and lack of good values, ideals and attitudes.
Posted by: Peter Jackson | April 28, 2007 08:45 PM
Protection against mass gun violence need not depend on "better mental health laws that can help force obviously ill adults like the murderer -- whose own writings foreshadowed the attacks -- into counseling and therapy, even against their will." The legal standard to force someone into some form of confinement, whether jail or a mental institution, against their will, should be similar to that of a criminal conviction, i.e., beyond a reasonable doubt. That is too high a hurdle for just taking away the right to purchase a rapid firing semiautomatic weapon with a large ammo magazine or rapid reload capability. Also, what standard of certainty would be used to release the person from treatment?
In other democracies that share US sensibilities for civil liberties, the right to own a weapon does not usually exist, and those societies do not appear to suffer from that lack (much less crime than in the US). While that experience does not necessarily justify a blanket exclusion of civilian gun ownership, it does suggest that removing that right from an individual just suspected of POSSIBLY being aggressively antisocial or prone to violence need not cause serious harm to people wrongfully prohibited from owning such weapons.
However a limited weapons restrictions database might be used improperly for other purposes, or cause innocent people to suffer ostracism, even if the legal standard of certainty is low. A way of perhaps accomplishing the same objective would be to require purchasers to provide valid affidavits from people who affirm they know the individual and have no reason to suspect he or she should not own such weapons.
Posted by: BTMPost | April 29, 2007 01:13 PM
In considering the desireability of keeping the right to bear arms guaranteed by our Constitution, you should not limit your thinking to criminals. Statistics show that, by a large margin, most gun related deaths and injuries are to family members from rage and accidents. Again, that may not be more important than the deterence that gun ownership has to burglars, but it should be kept in mind.
Also, it is a fallacy to consider modern guns in the same category as bows and arrows and knives. That comparison may have been reasonable in the days of the flintlock, but it became void with the introduction of the Colt Peacemaker. As tragically demonstrated more than just at Virginia State, a single person with a modern semiautomatic can rapidly kill and injure a large number of people.
Posted by: BTMPost | April 29, 2007 01:38 PM
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1 On that night hath the sleep of the king fled away, and he saith to bring in the book of memorials of the Chronicles, and they are read before the king, | 1 That night the king could not sleep; so he ordered the book of the chronicles, the record of his reign, to be brought in and read to him. |
2 and it is found written that Mordecai had declared concerning Bigthana and Teresh, two of the eunuchs of the king, of the keepers of the threshold, who sought to put forth a hand on king Ahasuerus. | 2 It was found recorded there that Mordecai had exposed Bigthana and Teresh, two of the king's officers who guarded the doorway, who had conspired to assassinate King Xerxes. |
3 And the king saith, `What honour and greatness hath been done to Mordecai for this?' And the servants of the king, his ministers, say, `Nothing hath been done with him.' | 3 "What honor and recognition has Mordecai received for this?" the king asked. "Nothing has been done for him," his attendants answered. |
4 And the king saith, `Who [is] in the court?' -- and Haman hath come in to the outer court of the house of the king, to say to the king to hang Mordecai on the tree that he had prepared for him -- | 4 The king said, "Who is in the court?" Now Haman had just entered the outer court of the palace to speak to the king about hanging Mordecai on the gallows he had erected for him. |
5 and the servants of the king say unto him, `Lo, Haman is standing in the court;' and the king saith, `Let him come in.' | 5 His attendants answered, "Haman is standing in the court." "Bring him in," the king ordered. |
6 And Haman cometh in, and the king saith to him, `What -- to do with the man in whose honour the king hath delighted?' And Haman saith in his heart, `To whom doth the king delight to do honour more than myself?' | 6 When Haman entered, the king asked him, "What should be done for the man the king delights to honor?" Now Haman thought to himself, "Who is there that the king would rather honor than me?" |
7 And Haman saith unto the king, `The man in whose honour the king hath delighted, | 7 So he answered the king, "For the man the king delights to honor, |
8 let them bring in royal clothing that the king hath put on himself, and a horse on which the king hath ridden, and that the royal crown be put on his head, | 8 have them bring a royal robe the king has worn and a horse the king has ridden, one with a royal crest placed on its head. |
9 and to give the clothing and the horse into the hand of a man of the heads of the king, the chiefs, and they have clothed the man in whose honour the king hath delighted, and caused him to ride on the horse in a broad place of the city, and called before him: Thus it is done to the man in whose honour the king hath delighted.' | 9 Then let the robe and horse be entrusted to one of the king's most noble princes. Let them robe the man the king delights to honor, and lead him on the horse through the city streets, proclaiming before him, 'This is what is done for the man the king delights to honor!' " |
10 And the king saith to Haman, `Haste, take the clothing and the horse, as thou hast spoken, and do so to Mordecai the Jew, who is sitting in the gate of the king; there doth not fall a thing of all that thou hast spoken.' | 10 "Go at once," the king commanded Haman. "Get the robe and the horse and do just as you have suggested for Mordecai the Jew, who sits at the king's gate. Do not neglect anything you have recommended." |
11 And Haman taketh the clothing, and the horse, and clothed Mordecai, and causeth him to ride in a broad place of the city, and calleth before him, `Thus it is done to the man in whose honour the king hath delighted.' | 11 So Haman got the robe and the horse. He robed Mordecai, and led him on horseback through the city streets, proclaiming before him, "This is what is done for the man the king delights to honor!" |
12 And Mordecai turneth back unto the gate of the king, and Haman hath been hastened unto his house mourning, and with covered head, | 12 Afterward Mordecai returned to the king's gate. But Haman rushed home, with his head covered in grief, |
13 and Haman recounteth to Zeresh his wife, and to all his friends, all that hath met him, and his wise men say to him, and Zeresh his wife, `If Mordecai [is] of the seed of the Jews, before whom thou hast begun to fall, thou art not able for him, but dost certainly fall before him.' | 13 and told Zeresh his wife and all his friends everything that had happened to him. His advisers and his wife Zeresh said to him, "Since Mordecai, before whom your downfall has started, is of Jewish origin, you cannot stand against him--you will surely come to ruin!" |
14 They are yet speaking with him, and eunuchs of the king have come, and haste to bring in Haman unto the banquet that Esther hath made. | 14 While they were still talking with him, the king's eunuchs arrived and hurried Haman away to the banquet Esther had prepared. |
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Part 9
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GODDESS WORSHIP (part 8)
Spider Woman
is the goddess of creation to Native Americans and the Cherokee worship the Corn Mother, Selu, and the Corn Sisters, squash and beans. Many tribes all over the world had Corn Mothers. Toothed Vagina was another goddess!
(healers) were common. Sistutl is the Canadian double headed serpent of the sea totem.
In West Africa Sande and Yassi societies of Shamanesses are the only ones with tribal masks and take turns with the men in tribal affairs. In Nigeria Oya is the Mother Goddess, Ala, the corn goddess and Oshun, the healing river.The Ashanti believe that divinities reside in objects like stones and images called fetishes. Many religions have names for the gods residing in specific trees and plants.
In Norse/Scandinavian mythology the Norn were the three goddesses of fate - Urd, past; Verdandi, present and Skuld, future. Hela/Hel was death and Freya/Vanadis/Frigga/Freija/Var and her daughter Hnossa, represented married love and the hearth, nature and the passage of the dead. Volva were serpent sibyls or oracles, and the Valkyries, including Svava, led by Brunhild, conducted warriors to Valhalla.
Hariela was German goddess of war and Hulda German goddess of marriage,and Sroya was Slavic goddess of war.
Celtic goddesses were
(Bright One) of craft, poetry, fertility, healing, divination (Vesta), sometimes a triple goddess (poetry/healing/smithcraft);
of horses and stables, associated with the white horses carved in chalk hills, and with Welsh moon goddess
, wife of the King of Dyfed who rode a white horse, and later became the Arthurian Nimue/Vivian, Lady of the Lake;
of fertility, with a caduceus;
of war/death. associated with Morgan le Fay, the Morrigan were one or three goddesses, virgin/mother/crone, Tres Matres, Fates, 3 seasons, new/full/waning moon, creator/protector/destroyer, earth/sky/underworld.
was goddess of the earth and nature but so was
symbolised by the fir tree,and
was goddess of wisdom. Welsh
(White Breasted One - her totem animal the white crow) was goddess of love,
was goddess of the sun and day, and the goddess of war was
was goddess of spring, hence Easter eggs. SUL was British goddess of wisdom. (
was Queen of the Iceni, leading tough, blue eyed women into battle, who terrified Roman soldiers. Women in Ancient Britain often fought beside the men.) In Ireland
(Maeve/Mab), the Intoxicator was a goddess and Queen of Connaught.
was goddess of war and
of the hazel.
found near Qumran (like the Dead Sea scrolls), ancient centre of the Essenes, thought to have been written by Valentinus from Christian and Coptic texts, were a reflection of Platonism and Eastern dualism religion, Zoroastrianism. They have brought additional Gospels to the fore including that of Mary Magdalen - her true importance is said to have been excluded from the Bible by Peter (and the Roman Catholic Church) who denied Christ and detested women, especially educated ones, seeing them as the gateway to the Devil, even denying they had souls.
According to
Mary Magdalen
was associated with wisdom (
) represented by the sun, moon and halo of stars, becoming Athena to the Greeks. The female gnosis of Sophia (mother of Zoe (Life, thought to be
and Pandora), one of the
, gnostic creators of all things, daughters of Barbello) was deemed to be the Holy Spirit, represented on Earth by Mary Magdalen.
(knowledge opposite of agnostic) was the esoteric cult of divine knowledge, a synthesis of Christianity, Greek philosophy, Hinduism, Buddhism and Mystery cults of the Mediterranean - elements found in philosophies from early asceticism to modern existentialism. The essence was that the inner spirit of humanity must be liberated from a world that is basically deceptive, oppressive and evil. The red cloaked priestesses such as Mary Magdalen, of early Judaeo-Christianity, the
, became defamed as harlots, whores or scarlet women, by end of the 6th century. She is often portrayed in a red cloak over a green dress of fertility. Jesus called her Apostle of the Apostles. As a head sister Mary was entitled to wear black, like the priests of Isis, and there are many statues of
with black hands and faces in France, in churches on pagan sites dedicated to Isis and Athena, and some cults are also associated with
. Wisdom (Sophia) is black having existed in the darkness of Chaos before creation.
or Earth Goddess, Erzulie (her avatar a water snake) is worshipped in Voodoo, a mixture of Roman Catholicism and West African tribal religions (their priestesses are called Mambo/Manbo. Ogu, a warrior, is St James the Great.) Black Virgins are found on every continent including the Indian
, the Indian goddess worshipped by gypsies in France as the Black Virgin Mary. Mary the mother of Jesus, the token woman in the Roman and Orthodox church, was therefore only permitted to be portrayed wearing blue (heaven) and white (purity)! Earlier she wore a red dress - her mother St Anne wore a red dress (love) and green cloak (rebirth). Protestant religions ignored her completely.
Many of the learned women who led the groups that were formally described as heretical, promoted teaching based on the instruction from the ancient Judaeo-Christian Therapeutate (hence
) at Qumran, to which Jesus belonged. The Therapeutate formed the early basis for the Knights Templar, Hospitalers, St John, Rosicrutians, Red Cross… and were persecuted (with wise women, Jews, Cabalists (and Sufis), dualist Cathars persecuted in the Albigensian Crusades, hermetics (from Hermes Trismegistus), Masons who originally included women, Rosicrutions and alchemists who practiced sacred sex similar to Tantrism) as witches by the Catholic Inquisition and Puritan
, oddly united. Women known to take part in a religious service were denounced as whores and sorceresses by both extremes.
The Marys (with her brother and sister Lazarus and Martha), fled into exile in France, after they had supported Jesus during the crucifixion and resurrection (the men were not present), arriving at Les Saintes Maries de la Mer, (Three Marys of the sea, Tres Matres) Mary Magdalen bearing the child of Jesus, his daughter Tamar. Said to have been the Gnostic wife of Jesus she later bore him a son, Jesus. To early Jews celibacy was an anathema and Magdalen is the only woman not descibed as 'mother of', or 'wife of', indicating a woman of substance, and entitled to annoint with precious oils.
They were accompanied by their servant Sarah the Egyptian, the black goddess of gypsies. An association between Mary and the sea grew up, as well as with the
which they brought with them - the chalice (and horseshoes) also represented to the cultists the uterus, the wine the menstrual Star Fire/Gold of the Gods/Vehicle of Light of alchemy and Kundalini (hence vampirism), and
inheritance. Both the Jews and the Catholics considered women a threat to patrilineal inheritance, however, many churches dedicated to 'Notre Dame' were built in France in the Middle Ages (often on sites dedicated to pagan goddesses like Isis, Diana and Athena like St Sulpice in Paris). The Gothic arches with rose window at the apex depicted the much feared female sexuality. Matriarchs have always been influential in Jewish and Catholic families. (Matrilineal societies have existed in Assam, parts of Africa (a continent where female circumcision is practiced), North America, the South Pacific and Australia.)
Some of the most distinguished Christian Mystics have been women, such as St Hildegard, St Catherine of Siena (patron saint of young girls) and St Theresa of Avila.
In addition to the connection to the sea there was a connection to water - la Dompna del Aquae, Mistress of the Waters. To the Gnostics and Celts, venerated females were associated with lakes, wells, fountains and springs. Mary Magdalen was buried at Aix (Acqs - water) en Provence, and royal descendants in Grail lore became known as Fisher Kings, the Merovingians. In Arthurian legend the Lady of the Lake is translated into Britain and the gallant knights of the Age of Chivalry idealised women with courtly love and troubadors. (The Lady of the Lake, Vivian/Nimue was originally the Welsh goddess Rhiannon/Rigantona.) The masculine symbol of a unicorn submitting to a maiden featured in paintings, and more recently similar themes of romantic legend have been sensually painted by the
Tarot cards also held significant emblems.(*Pope Joan featured on Tarot cards, was an Englishwoman who ruled as Pope John VIII in the 6th c, and was unmasked when she gave birth.)
Joseph of Arimathea, the founder of Christianity in Britain at Glastonbury, was said to be St James the Just, brother of Jesus, and in Arthurian legend brought the Holy Grail to Britain.
The term Merrie England is presumed to come from 'Mary' (as with the Merry Men of Robin Hood, who like Robin Goodfellow, John Barleycorn, Johnny Appleseed, Sir Gawain's Green Knight are manifestations of the Green Man) and Maid Marion herself is said to be a representation, as is the mermaid (she's sometimes shown with a fish tail as Marina - see Siren), plus the word marry! Maudlin from Magdalene, has become a term for miserable from her tears beneath the cross.
Along with the cult of the Magdalen (Hebrew Magdala/migdal - tower) is the cult of Mary the Gypsy, sacred harlot and love cultess, identified with Aphrodite, born from the foam, her emblem the aphrodisiac scallop shell as depicted in Botticelli's Birth of Venus. She was portrayed by Anglo-Saxons as the May Queen (with the Maypole fertility symbol) and her dancers as Morris Men (Moorish Men often with blackened faces) and the Hobby Horse, celebrations having pagan associations (Maia), as Christmas with the winter solstice # (e.g. Druids, from the Greek for oak, held mistletoe and oak sacred; Yule logs and decorating trees with offerings). The patron saint of hairdressers, perfumers, gardeners and prostitutes, Mary is often shown with a jar of ointment (spikenard was usually used for anointing), long, loose hair, a crown of thorns and a mirror.
is thus, an emblem of sexual ambiguity. Traditionally, women were regarded as lesser versions of men, with abbreviated sex organs, but the mermaid preceded even that image, being a female whose development was arrested at an early stage of evolution. She is erotic but passionless, a culturally charged gender model whose seductive capacity is valued over her reproductive capacity. In her double-tailed version she may call to mind the old Celtic sheila-na-gig, or the Indian Kali, aggressively squatting and displaying her yoni. In her far more familiar single-tailed version, though, she is closer to an Eve figure overlaid with the cult of the Virgin, a sealed vessel enclosing either sexual temptation or sexual virtue, or some paradoxical and potent mixture of the two."
(The Republic of Love).
In recent years considerable attention has been paid to earlier forms of goddess worship. Some scholars claim that prior to the rise of the main faiths, all worship was of the goddess; others say that both the male and female were venerated equally. These scholars argue that the rise of patriarchy in religion has made the worship of the goddess either frightening to the men in control or has led to a debased form of goddess worship, as in the Cult of the Virgin Mary. 'Virgin' is translated from the Semitic word 'almah' =
(without sexual connotation).
*Joan was one of a parade of women - saints, abbesses, cross-dressers, intellectuals - Abbess Tetta of Wimborne, Saint Cuthberga, her sister Cwenburga, Saint Uncumber (the bearded patron saint in England of women who want to get rid of their husbands - unencumber). Hatshepsut ruled as a female Pharoah. The cross-dressers include 17th c women going off to war adorned with silver dildos and the Portuguese Saint Wilgefortis who sprouted a moustache in order not to sleep with her husband. The later rules and regulations of the Roman Catholic Church produced its near-Islamic attitude to women, whilst it tolerated with ease the 10th c House of Theophylact, whose papal impregnations, murders, fornications and general skulduggery reduced the Papacy to a cross between a brothel and a charnel house.
Polly Toynbee
: Saturnalia in Rome was celebrated from December 17-24, covering the solstice. December 25 was Natalis Solis Invicti, the Birth of the Unconquered Sun. Since no one knew anything about Christ's birth, it wasn't celebrated in the early church. Superimposing Christmas on existing festivals on December 25 only became official in the fourth century.
But it was not just the date they stole, it was the whole Christmas story which had been around for centuries in earlier religions. Mithras, the Persian sun god worshipped in the late empire, came from heaven and was born as a man to redeem humanity from its sins. He was also born of a virgin on December 25 and it was shepherds who first learnt of his birth. (He too had a last supper with his disciples and ascended into heaven.)
The Egyptian god Horus, whose worshippers filled Rome at the same time, was another saviour of mankind, born to a virgin. Temples were filled with cribs with the infant Horus watched over by his virgin mother Isis; 1,700 years before Christ, Isis had an annunciation when a spirit descended and she conceived when an "ankh" - symbol of life - was put to her lips. Isis was worshipped with familiar names: Queen of Heaven, Star of the Sea, Our Lady and Immaculate Virgin. What's more Isis and Horus had a flight into lower Egypt from a persecutor called Herrut soon after birth, also protected by a kindly stepfather. Virgin mothers of gods are found in China and Mexico, among Etruscans and Scandinavians. In Greece, January 6 (later taken as Epiphany by the Christians) was the date the virgin goddess Kore gave birth to Dionysus, whose name was sometimes Ies and sometimes Jesus. Krishna was born of a virgin.
Even the birth of Caesar Augustus was described by sycophants of his day (writing at the time of Christ's birth) in words almost identical to that used in the bible: "saviour of the whole human race", destined to bring "peace on earth", his arrival bringing "glad tidings to the world". As for the star, the birth of Buddha was heralded by one, and wise men were told of his coming. The massacre of innocents, trying to find the newborn child dangerous to a leader, crops up in many religions. Thus endeth the lesson of the secularists.
The universality of the myth makes sense. Rebirth in the dead of winter is a universal (northern hemisphere) cause to celebrate. Whatever stories and romances are woven around mythical infants, the wonder of human birth remains a humanist sentiment. If, in the great religious melting pot of Rome, the Christian story eventually won out over the rest, it was St Paul's marketing skill in adding sophisticated populist elements: the child is poor, rich and poor alike bow down to it, worldly wealth not his domain, unlike the royal virgin births of earlier religions. Christianity was nothing if not opportunist.
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Stephen Ryu, M.D, is a graduate of Stanford University (B.S. and M.S. in Electrical Engineering) and received his M.D. degree from the University of California at San Diego. He completed his internship and neurosurgical residency at Stanford University School of Medicine. Dr. Ryu then completed a fellowship in spine surgery at Stanford University Medical Center focusing on minimally invasive spinal techniques.
Prior to medical school, Dr. Ryu had worked as a VLSI microprocessor designer. During residency, he also completed a post-doctoral fellowship in Electrical Engineering and Neurosciences at Stanford University developing brain-controlled neural prosthetic systems. He is still active in this research at Stanford.
Dr. Ryu joined PAMF in 2009, after being an Assistant Professor in the Department of Neurosurgery at Stanford University, acting as one of the experts treating spine disorders from skull to sacrum. His professional interests (listed below) include minimally invasive brain and spine surgery, in which he is actively involved teaching surgeons, nationally and internationally. He is also interested in stereotactic radiosurgery and, in 2001, published the first paper on robotic spinal stereotactic radiosurgery. Dr. Ryu also has a special interest in cervical spine disease and new technology applications for neurosurgery.
Dr. Ryu is married with two children. He enjoys reading, food and wine, and anything related to computing.
Professional Interests
Brain Surgery:
- Brain tumor (primary, metastatic)
- Neuro-oncology
- Brain vascular malformations
- Pituitary lesions
- Microvascular decompression for trigeminal neuralgia
- Trauma
- Minimally invasive (MIS) discectomy and decompression: cervical, thoracic, and lumbar
- Cervical artificial disc
- Cervical fusion: ACDF, posterior
- Thoracic fusion: anterior, lateral, posterior
- Lumbar fusion: ALIF, MIS-TLIF, lateral (XLIF/DLIF), posterior MIS
- Craniocervical decompression and fusion
- Cervical, thoracic, and lumbar corpectomy for tumor and trauma
- Lumbar degenerative deformity surgery
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- Tumors of the spine (primary, metastatic)
Peripheral nerve tumors/lesions
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Running in BelgiumAnn
Needs more cowbell!
• 6 duathlons (1 Olympic distance)
• 130#s (and stay there, gotdammit!)
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Roads were made for journeys...
You'll ruin your knees!
""...the truth that someday, you will go for your last run. But not today—today you got to run." - Matt Crownover (after Western States)
Well, heck, I think that deserves a WOOT! Lynn B
Congrats on the milestone (so to speak)!
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