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Based on 'Steel Pier,' the new musical by John Kander and Fred Ebb, you might imagine that marathon dancing was just another branch of show business during the Depression, like talkies or vaudeville.
People entered these grueling competitions because they would be fed as long as they endured and they might make a little money if they won. Nobody did it, as you might imagine from David Thompson's book for the musical, to advance a showbiz career.
Thompson's first act shows us Rita Racine (Karen Ziemba), a marathon champion who thinks the current one is her last. On the beach in Atlantic City, she meets Bill (Daniel McDonald), a handsome pilot who has decided to spend his leave at the marathon.
He has a crush on Rita, who is secretly married to Nick (Gregory Harrison), the sleazy guy who runs the marathon. But Nick has no intention of allowing his golden goose to retire.
The first act seems like a series of novelty numbers, as we get to know the competitors and their show business ambitions. The second suddenly turns serious. If the first act had put marathon dancing in an honest context, the complications of the second would not seem so artificial.
Without a solid structure, everything seems hollow. There are some beautiful songs, particularly "Songbird," a poignant evocation of '30s pop music, and "Leave the World Behind," another potent bit of nostalgia.
What is supposed to be the dramatic high point, however, a song for Rita called "Running in Place," is less an expression of Rita's desperation than that of the creators. Despite all of Ziemba's ferocious energy and talent, the song has no emotional impact because it is not built on anything.
The music is skillfully interwoven with the plot during the dance sequences, but it is at its most effective when it's pure show business, not when it attempts to give the plot some emotional substance.
The show's greatest asset is its hardworking cast. As Rita, Ziemba sings evocatively and makes the frenzied dancing touching rather than unnerving, which it could easily be.
Harrison (TV's Trapper John) is properly alienating as her scheming hubby, but it's a one-note role. As the flyboy, McDonald radiates enormous charm. So does Debra Monk, who has a showstopping number, "Everybody's Girl," full of burlesque gags, which she delivers juicily.
Susan Stroman's choreography has verve and style. The dancers execute her often intricate steps with enormous flair. Even when they're dragging each other around the floor in advanced states of exhaustion, they have a graceful, langoro us line.
Tony Walton's sets have a gauzy, dreamlike quality, which is more appropriate than we first realize. His subtle palette, greatly enhanced by Peter Kaczorowski's lighting, creates a forlorn carnival mood that captures the spirit of the period better than the material. William Ivey Long's costumes are extraordinarily inventive.
The subject of marathon dancing might have fueled a powerful musical; here, alas, the tireless cast too often seems to be dancing on empty.
Sally Bowles, it seems, was wrong. Life is not ''only a cabaret, old chum,'' as that feckless, fame-hungry chanteuse in Weimar once sang.
John Kander and Fred Ebb, the authors of the immortal title number of ''Cabaret,'' have now proposed an alternative view of existence in their dishearteningly fizz-free new show, ''Steel Pier,'' which opened last night at the Richard Rodgers Theater. It is apparently time to leave the party, the razzle-dazzle, the driving grind of show business, and go home to consider gentler, more spiritual matters.
''Steel Pier,'' which is set in the desperate honky-tonk world of marathon dancing in Atlantic City in 1933, is in a sense the anti-''Cabaret,'' or the anti-''Chicago,'' the 1975 Kander-Ebb hit now playing to packed houses in a revival just two blocks away. Both earlier works are pumped with the ambition-fed energy of performers who want to be top fish in a tank of piranhas, no matter what the cost.
Sally Bowles would have happily slept with Hitler if it could have won her a part in the movies; in ''Chicago,'' Roxie Hart quite literally murders her way to vaudeville stardom. Now meet Rita Racine, the more passive, ingenuous cousin of these ravenous song-and-dance gals, who is the heroine of ''Steel Pier.'' Sally and Roxie may want nothing so much as to see their names in lights, but Rita, a weary marathon dancer played by Karen Ziemba, just wants to settle down in a little cottage by the sea.
The difference between the winsome Rita and her more callous predecessors says everything about the informing sentiment of ''Steel Pier,'' which has a book by David Thompson and is directed by Scott Ellis. Despite its presentation of an assortment of starved, Depression-era souls eager to dance their way into public recognition (in the tradition of Sydney Pollack's film ''They Shoot Horses, Don't They?''), what sets the tone of the show is not the urge to make it but the urge to escape.
Accordingly, ''Steel Pier'' (the name refers to the seaside attraction where the marathon takes place) is steeped in wistfulness rather than showoff pushiness. Mr. Kander's able score, of course, has room for the gritty, locomotive thrust of the more spirited songs of the period. But the show's heart lies in the contrasting, ethereal sounds of chimes and rue-tinged ballads in which Mr. Ebb's lyrics spell out wan hopes for romance and domesticity. And when the work's title song, a pallid echo of ''Cabaret,'' promises, ''Life's a party: why don't you come to the Steel Pier?,'' it's not so much an invitation as a warning.
What energy this point of view generates is, unfortunately, largely negative. Mr. Kander and Mr. Ebb are simply more engaging when they're in a more cynical mood. The choreographer Susan Stroman, who conceived the story for the show with Mr. Ellis and Mr. Thompson, has provided some lovely dance numbers that find the kinetic poetry in physical exhaustion. And Ms. Ziemba, whose quality of middle-American normalcy is offset by her finely honed, sophisticated skills as a performer, is perfectly cast.
Yet the entire effort feels soft at the edges, and it never really finds its motor. It has an appealing supporting ensemble of actors (most notably Joel Blum and Valerie Wright playing a feisty brother-and-sister team) as the down-and-out contestants of the marathon.
But because they are such blatantly cautionary figures, they are ultimately a bunch of sad sacks. And the work seldom lets them cut loose into the fierce, attention-grabbing showmanship you long for. (When Debra Monk, as a lusty, hard-bitten marathon pro, sings ''Everybody's Girl,'' a solo laden with double-entendres, the audience goes wild; she overplays it, for sure, but at least she's vital.) Indeed, the production seems intent on muffling its own climaxes, ending each number in the equivalent of a sigh instead of a shout. Even its flashiest routine, a fantasy sequence that has a bevy of chorines in bathing suits dancing on the wings of an airplane (in a nod to ''Flying Down to Rio,'' the first of the Astaire-Rogers movies), trails off in a way that precludes hearty applause.
The overall dreamlike effect is hypnotic in the wrong ways; there's no center of energy to grab onto. The look of the show, which has sets by Tony Walton, costumes by William Ivey Long and lighting by Peter Kaczorowski, has an appropriately tawdry elegance, but it all seems about to evaporate any second, like Mr. Kander's tuneful but wispy melodies. The first act, correspondingly, passes by in a pleasant, polished blur; the second decomposes like a piece of wet tissue paper.
Disadvantageous comparisions to ''Chicago'' and, especially, ''Cabaret'' are inevitable. Like the 1966 stage production of the latter, ''Steel Pier'' has a mirrored central set, here representing the dance floor. And this microcosmic world is clearly meant to be a metaphor for a sick society.
Moreover, the competition is presided over by a slick-haired, oily-tongued master of ceremonies, here named Mick Hamilton and played by Gregory Harrison. The role seems intended to be central to the show in the way Joel Grey's M.C. was in ''Cabaret'' or Gig Young's in ''They Shoot Horses, Don't They?'' Mick is the evil genius of the evening, the false promise of the American dream incarnate, urging the contestants to dance into nervous collapse for a glimmer of glory.
Yet this M.C. (who is, by the way, married to Rita, whom he exploits with empty hopes of finally retiring from the marathon circuit) is also revealed to be a small-time bully. Snap your fingers at him, and he backs down. Mr. Harrison gives a smooth performance, but he lacks the compelling, darkly erotic aura the character requires.
Mick is set up in tidy opposition to the show's other male lead, Bill Kelly (Daniel McDonald), a handsome, enigmatic exhibition pilot who falls hard for Rita, his partner in the marathon. You're right in thinking there's something otherworldly about this fellow, whose presence tends to set off angel chimes and campy, harmonic celestial voices. Borrowed from vintage movie fantasies like ''Stairway to Heaven,'' he represents, as one of the show's songs baldly puts it, Rita's ''second chance'' at the life she wants.
This gossamer romance is the silver-lined counterpoint to the darkness of the dance contest, and it's obviously meant to allievate the standard-issue cynicism of yet another show about a marathon. Mr. McDonald radiates affability, and that's about all he can do in a role that is nothing more than a helpful plot device.
And while the show skirts the more blatant cliches of its dance-till-they-drop genre in its first half, it piles them on in the second, right up to a public nervous breakdown and the revelation that Ms. Monk's brassy character has a heart of gold.
One wants to fall in love with ''Steel Pier'' for so many reasons. It is, after all, one of the few book musicals in a season of pop operas, and its kind, open heart is a welcome relief from the push-button irony of most current shows.
Yet despite the flashes of grace and inventiveness in Ms. Stroman's choreography and the modest melodic appeal of the work's songs, ''Steel Pier'' is insulated by a fuzzy cover of blandness. For Mr. Kander and Mr. Ebb, devils obviously make better company than angels.
"Life's a party," the ensemble sings. "Why don't you come to the Steel Pier?" Audiences are almost dared not to add a silent "ol' chum" to the tail of that lyric, since the song, like so much else in "Steel Pier," unabashedly recalls an earlier moment in musical-theater history. The new tuner, with its score by John Kander and Fred Ebb --- who three decades ago entreated audiences to "come to the cabaret" --- may be a pastiche, but it's a skillful one that need offer no apologies for cribbing from the best.
Even with a first act that occasionally drags, the marathon-dancing "Steel Pier," directed by Scott Ellis, with book by David Thompson, might be the musical to beat in what's shaping up to be an artistically lackluster spring. Charming performances, choreography by Susan Stroman that cannily blends period steps with her trademark innovations, and some of Kander and Ebb's strongest writing in years overshadow whatever missteps this musical makes.
By turns dark and cheerfully old-fashioned, "Steel Pier" is set in an Atlantic City ballroom of 1933. The Depression-era craze of marathon dancing is in full swing, and an assortment of hopefuls have come together at the Steel Pier dance hall to compete for a $2,000 prize and a shot at showbiz fame. Although the squalid, desperate reality of these competitions isn't ignored, neither does it become the musical's focus as it did in the definitive marathon movie, "They Shoot Horses, Don't They?"
Instead, "Steel Pier" borrows a conceit from "Carousel" and countless romantic fantasies by having its hero return from the dead to woo his beloved. The sound of an airplane in distress opens the musical, and the first image is of the prone stunt pilot Bill Kelly (Daniel McDonald) rising to his feet, surrounded by an ensemble of white-clad ghostly dancers. "I've got three weeks," he says. "Just three weeks." (Early preview audiences apparently didn't catch on that the pilot was dead, and so the device has become a bit more clarified; still, the premise remains somewhat ambiguous until act two.)
As the action shifts to the dance hall, the pilot maneuvers to partner with Rita Racine (Karen Ziemba), a B-level vaudeville singer whose claim to fame is having kissed Lindbergh upon his landing. Bill, it seems, had won a contest for a date with Rita just before he crashed his plane, and has been given a three-week reprieve from death to collect his prize.
What neither Bill nor the other marathon dancers know is that Rita is secretly married to Mick Hamilton (Gregory Harrison), the sleazy marathon emcee who pulls strings to ensure Rita is the marathon winner.
The first act of the musical charts the pilot's dance-floor courtship of Rita, and introduces other marathon contestants: Shelby (Debra Monk), a bawdy, no-nonsense burlesque singer; Buddy and Bette Becker (Joel Blum and Valerie Wright), a brother-and-sister hoofer team; Johnny Adel (Timothy Warmen), a handsome former Olympic athlete, and his partner, the snobby Dora (Alison Bevan); and Happy and Precious McGuire (Jim Newman and Kristin Chenoweth), the requisite hicks.
Dancing on Tony Walton's eye-popping set --- a large rotunda lined with hundreds of light bulbs --- the couples enact their various dramas while showcasing Stroman's vibrant choreography. The dances range from the fox trot and tap to the Lindy Hop, and even within the constraints of the historical dance styles, Stroman works in her idiosyncratic touches: Listen to how the shuffling of the ghostly dancers in the first scene mimics the sound of ocean waves.
Still, the overlong first act does include a shade too much marathon dancing, slowing the progression of the plot. The musical doesn't fully come to life until Monk's knockout performance of "Everybody's Girl" late in act one. A bump-and-grind tribute to promiscuity, "Everybody's Girl" is the type of comic, show-stopping, character-defining number at which Kander and Ebb excel --- think "When You're Good to Mama" from "Chicago" --- and Monk plays it for all it's worth.
Another first-act song also recalls a "Chicago" number, but with lesser results: "A Powerful Thing," in which the emcee sings the praises of manipulation, lacks the punch of "Chicago's" "Razzle Dazzle."
The second act opens big and continues at a quicker, more satisfying pace. A dream sequence, "Leave the World Behind," in which a bevy of chorus girls tap-dance on the wings of a biplane (a la 1933's "Flying Down to Rio" pic) is a charmer, while Monk gets yet another chance in the spotlight with the wistful ballad "Somebody Older."
Monk's crowd-pleasing turn takes nothing away from the winning performances by the leads, McDonald and Ziemba. McDonald does the near-impossible by giving texture to a romantic male hero role that might otherwise have been the typical musical-theater bore. Ziemba accomplishes something just as noteworthy: Her character, although not above participating in a subterfuge for money, has the audience in her palm from the moment she walks onstage. Ziemba's big solo number in act two, a sort of jazz ballet called "Running in Place," is a so-so song that she raises to a higher level.
Harrison will surprise his TV fans with his fine singing voice, and he does well going against type --- at 46 he still has matinee-idol looks --- by playing the villain. Still, his performance (and the production) would be better served by an edgier, more menacing quality early on: Both his character and "Steel Pier" only gradually move beyond stretches of blandness. Ellis, whose best work arguably was the frothy revival of "She Loves Me," is particularly good at this musical's romantic elements, but seems less comfortable with the darker strains of Thompson's book.
The rest of the cast is fine, particularly Newman and Chenoweth as the yokels who wise up fast. All benefit from William Ivey Long's attractive costumes (the women don cellophane gowns for a publicity-stunt wedding), and Peter Kaczorowski's lighting design glides the action and mood from carnival atmosphere to otherworldly ambience. "Steel Pier" itself doesn't always glide so smoothly, but it has the stamina and heart to win any marathon.


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Noodlecake Posts Update About Development For Super Stickman Golf 2
When we last heard about Super Stickman Golf 2 back in October, we couldn't wait to download the sequel to this super fun physics/golfing game hybrid. But it's been awhile since then and there hasn't been much word since. Until now!
Fortunately, developer Noodlecake just recently posted a new blog entry that has a new target of sometime in the first quarter of 2013. Well, it's not a firm date … but at least it's something!
While Noodlecake still doesn't have a specific release date, you still have plenty of time to pick up the original Super Stickman Golf. Seriously, it's super fun. Especially if you have people to play it with! So check it out for your iPhone & iPad!

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I will be putting some rooms in my unfinnished basement and was thinking of getting an Air Compressor to do the framing of the walls. But I'm confused on the size of Air Compressor I need. Let's say the most I would use it for would be to drive nails in 2x4's. I can't think of anything more powerful than that. So how many CFM's do I need? |
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It's mostly a matter of how fast you want to nail. I have used many sizes on my nailer, from .5HP/pancake to 30 gall/5HP. Pancake able to fire 3-4 nails with a minute or less inbetween. I do find my 2HP/5gal to work best, portable and able to keep up to my nailer set at 90psi with 2-1/2" clipped nails. |
- Posted by sierraeast (My Page) on Wed, Dec 31, 08 at 14:43
Consider future use rather than just the room framing project. Most pancakes or portables will handle any nailer. You might want to get a larger cfm'd unit in order to run future tools such as grinders, impact wrenches, cup sprayers, etc., that require higher cfm's. If not, a pancake or portable will handle nailers as well as filling auto tires. If you are out to purchase a nailer as well, it will state the required cfm's. Here's a few from amazon. Most have free shipping. |
Here is a link that might be useful: air compressor
You need a 5 or 6 gallon portable compressor---several companies make them---Campbell Hausfield, Stanley Bostich, DeWalt, or my favorite, Porter Cable. With all the above brands, you can buy the kit---nailer/compressor/hose/fittings. |
Agree with Sierraeast and Handymac -- nailers don't consume much air, so almost any compressor is likely to work for your purposes. A friend has put on several entire roofs with a tiny one-gallon, 1.5HP compressor that cost than $100, and he's very fast with his coil nailer. Spray painting, pneumatic sanders and grinders, impact wrenches and the like are the sorts of tools that make CFMs a significant concern. For wall framing, you have little to worry about. |
- Posted by thefuzzbucket (My Page) on Thu, Jan 1, 09 at 11:39
Great info guys. What do you think about the one in the link? Also, are all accesories for all brands normally compatible with each other? As in can I use a Husky Blow Gun with a Porter-Cable hose? |
Here is a link that might be useful: Porter-Cable 3 Nailer Compressor
That compressor should be fine, but note that none of the three nailers in that package is a framer; they all shoot small fasteners for trim and other light-duty work. Most air tools and hoses use compatible fittings. There are exceptions, but you're unlikely to run into them. Fittings are widely available, and the male connector on most tools can be easily changed to match your hose(s). |
The one listed below is a pretty good deal. |
Here is a link that might be useful: PC framer/compressor combo
I forgot to say the clipped head nailer is usually building code compatable for non load bearing interior wall construction. Clipped head nails are not code compatable for most exterior roof and load bearing wall construction. Clipped head nailers/nails are less expensive than full head models. |
I used this buying guide to help me decide which I needed, maybe it will help you. Let me know if it does, thanks. -Jonathan |
Here is a link that might be useful: Air Compressor Buyers Guide
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Urges prosecution for "illegal" signs during last election
Loveland, Ohio - At the last council meeting on December 11, former Councilman, Todd Osborn urged that the tax increase that was defeated in November be put back on the ballot.
Osborne mentions he would like the prosecution of persons responsible for "illegal" signs during the election, however goes into little detail.
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Average Rating. | 4.3 |
Would buy this product again. | 85% |
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ROFLsmacker on 9/19/2013 6:56:00 PM more reviews by ROFLsmacker
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I like this moisturizer. It hydrates pretty well, sinks in easily and has a very pleasant scent.
The consistency of this is a morph between a gel and a cream. I definately like creams better, but this actually falls in my taste.
This moisturizer makes my acne disappear, that is a huge plus for me.
I would like it in a tube, though. The jar feels so lightweight and cheap, and it's annoying now that I am reaching the bottom.
The Price for this in Denmark is usually 10 US$, but I got it on sale for 6 US$, so it's very worth the Price.
I've had it for about a year now.
I would not buy Again as I want something more luxurious.
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kreider89 on 8/19/2013 12:28:00 PM more reviews by kreider89
Age: 19-24 Skin: Normal, Fair-Medium Hair: Blond Eyes: Other
This moisturizer got such great reviews and I'll never understand why..? I used it for about 3 months, which was a waste. I used it that long cus I was just waited for my skin to get used to it, hoping it would eventually moisturize my face. It seems okay when I first put it on in the morning but as the day went on it felt and looked extremely oily on my skin but my skin still felt like it wasn't moisturized at all. I will not buy this anymore.. very unhappy.
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mibrola on 8/12/2013 12:46:00 AM more reviews by mibrola
Age: 25-29 Skin: Combination, Fair Hair: Brunette, Wavy, Medium Eyes: Hazel
The best and on lil moisturizer I use now. I never thought of myself as oily as sometimes I have breakouts and oil spots but also flakey skin, literally flaking off my nose or between my brows. But apparently I am - this gel moisturizer has cured my skin. When I put some on and it soaks in income back in 4 minutes and slather another layer and I'm good to go! The smell and texture is great and it's so affordable and available being Garnier brand it's at Walmart Ulta and Target! If you've been havin skin issues maybe you are more oily than you thought switch to a gel - this one is so cheap at $7/$8 - try it! *i am using in conjunction with the Garnier exfoliating gel with excellent results!
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I love this stuff. I have extremely oily skin and with this it doesn't add to my oil and make it worse. My skin feels hydrated and soft, but not weighed down in moisture which is super nice. I recommend it to anyone who is willing to try and in search of a new product.
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Very good moisturizer, however, not hydrating enough for me. It's GREAT to use if you want to quickly moisturize your face before putting on makeup because it sets sooooo quickly and the skin feels refreshed and soft.
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*TOP REVIEWER* blacklondon on 11/12/2012 2:35:00 AM more reviews by blacklondon
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I love this product. I have normal to dry skin, with the drier patches on my forehead, nose and cheeks. This cream is light but super moisturizing and soaks into my skin quickly. It has a faint pleasant scent .
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*TOP REVIEWER* albs on 2/26/2012 12:04:00 PM more reviews by albs
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This fall/winter I developed a dry, flakey patch of skin above the left half of my upper lip. I've never had this problem and as much as I moisturized it did not go away. In fact, it spread to the skin all around my lips. It was so frustrating, especially since covering it with makeup made it look much worse. I tried the Clinique Moisture Surge gel but that didn't even help. I went to Wal Mart and picked this up in desperation. Within a few days all of the flakiness was gone. It's a little heavily scented but it absorbs quickly and works well for day under makeup, or night. So glad I found it!
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The packaging (paper box) saids for dry skin, but the plastic jar labled for essentials day, it did not say anything about for dry skin, very confusing!!!! Anyway, the cream is very good, feels rich and not too greasy, it is a lot better than Moisture Rescue, Moisture Rescue line drys my nose area and it makes my nose peels and the same as the cleanser from the same line! i am happy about this cream, fall and winter is approaching soon i bet this cream can protect my face better than Moisture Rescue.
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HappyTheFace23 on 8/12/2011 10:27:00 PM more reviews by HappyTheFace23
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I love this moisturizer for the winter months when my skin tends to get drier from walking in the wind. It's a bit too much for the summer but it is light and fresh and hydrating and perfect for your skin. I recommend this to people who want to hydrate their skin. =D
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very impressed with this moisturiser, I have oily/combo skin and this is just enough moisture, superlight no breakouts does what it says on the packet - hydrates.
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Sun, Jan 8, 12 at 21:42
I'm looking to build a cabana in the spring for our pool. Size will be roughly 9ft x 10ft and will include a bathroom along the back and bar area along the front. Any pictures/ideas would be appreciated. |
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That's is a very nicely done cabana. |
Thanks. Anybody else have other pictures of cabana bar? |
- Posted by huskyridor (My Page) on Sun, Mar 4, 12 at 12:24
Here's a link to a thread I had running a few years ago for another member looking for ideas on outdoor shade structures. http://ths.gardenweb.com/forums/load/pools/msg0902101919994.html Well I can't tell if this made a direct link or not. Let me see if I can pull it back up on the board. Look for a thread titled "My day and pic's for txprin" See ya, |
- Posted by huskyridor (My Page) on Sun, Mar 4, 12 at 13:04
I doesn't llok like that worked either. Let me try again. See ya, |
Here is a link that might be useful: shade structure pic's
- Posted by gammiesquiltes (My Page) on Sat, Jul 20, 13 at 1:53
This is a like to detail info for the pool house/cabana we built this summer: http://ths.gardenweb.com/forums/load/pools/msg0617555520345.html?27767 |
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Aug 18th 2008 9:44AM personally, I don't wear any, as all tabards look pants on head retarded with a robe IMO, and spellfire is virtually my religion as a fire Mage.
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Aug 5th 2008 6:23PM It's the touch's stand, no more than a piece of plastic.
Although I did wonder why the cable fit perfectly into it, its no dock.
Daily Mail claims iPhone nano ready for Christmas, the rest of us laugh {TUAW.com}
Aug 5th 2008 3:33AM The Daily Mail is the "Soccer Mom" newspaper over here, and one of the most rumour- and scandal-ridden. I seem to recall they were one of the big perpertrators of the "AMG GTA4 KILLS PEOPLE" story.
How would you change Apple's iPhone 3G? {Engadget}
Aug 2nd 2008 5:20AM Video, faster shutter, localized apps in the app store, more reliable/accurate GPS and playlists as alarms. MMS, flash support, and generally more stable firmware would be nice too.


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Kano put on a big launch party for his new album 140 Grime street at Indigo in the 02 dome earlier this week. The good folk at Way More Fresher have done a full run down of how it went down.
Here's Kano, Skepta, Jme, Tinchy Stryder, Ghetto all on stage together….


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DAVID WEINBERGER | MONDAY, OCTOBER 13, 2014'A new report on Ithaka S+R 's annual survey of libraries suggests that library directors are committed to libraries being the starting place for their users' research, but that the users are not in agreement. This then calls into question the expenditures libraries make to achieve that goal. The questioning is good. am not sold on it. MORE >>
Adaptive Path: Where We're Going Next
'The truth is, nobody knew if this was going to work. It was, after all, a terrible idea. The idea was this: Sell a service that nobody's ever heard of. Something that, even when you explain it, comes across as vague and abstract, and of questionable value. Tough sell. Our terrible idea worked. None of that ever sat well with us. MORE >> -
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If you want to learn what's going on in learning and development worldwide, join me in Berlin this December for Online Educa.
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This is the 20th anniversary of this forum of thought leaders in business, education, and government.
Is it worth it? I certainly think so. This will be my tenth Educa.
Tyramine Diet
Ah, the joys of modern medicine.
I've begun taking a drug that requires me to restrict my diet severely. I'm not allowed to eat aged cheese, sausage, draft beer, sourdough bread, or anything else that contains significant amounts of tyramine, an amino acid that helps regulate blood pressure.
Eating the forbidden fruit can cause severe headache, nausea, stiff neck, vomiting, a fast or slow heartbeat, tight chest pain, a lot of sweating, confusion, dilated pupils, and sensitivity to light. People have died after bingeing on cheese.
So many foods are restricted (sauerkraut, bacon, caviar, peanuts, vermouth!) that I need a way to remind myself of what to avoid. I hope visualization can prop up my memory.
If pictures aren't your thing, here's a good list from the National Headache Foundation. (Tyramine can cause migraine headaches in people who are sensitive to it.)
Foods to Avoid on a Tyramine-Restricted Diet
The following foods have limited amounts of tyramine. It's okay to consume up to 1/2 a cup daily.
I assembled the list from Wikipedia and a dozen medical sites. None of the sites list all of these items. The list on the Mayo Clinic site is typical:
"Tyramine is naturally found in small amounts in protein-containing foods. As these foods age, the tyramine level increases. Some foods high in tyramine include:
- Aged cheeses, such as aged cheddar and Swiss; blue cheeses such as Stilton and Gorgonzola; and Camembert. Cheeses made from pasteurized milk are less likely to contain high levels of tyramine, including American cheese, cottage cheese, ricotta, farm cheese and cream cheese.
- Cured meats, which are meats treated with salt and nitrate or nitrite, such as dry-type summer sausages, pepperoni and salami.
- Fermented cabbage, such as sauerkraut and kimchee.
- Soy sauce, fish sauce and shrimp sauce.
- Yeast-extract spreads, such as Marmite.
- Improperly stored foods or spoiled foods.
- Broad bean pods, such as fava beans."
The amount of tyramine depends on how the food was processed and how old it is. Tyramine increases as a food ages. Pickled, smoked, fermented, or marinated meats are generally high in tyramine. Fresh produce is okay if you eat it within 48 hours of purchase. Nuts are never okay. A draft beer contains 25 times as much tyramine as a can of beer.
See the follow-up, The MAOI Patch and the Tyramine Diet.
Science of Happiness MOOC
Along with 100,000 other people, I've enrolled in a free MOOC on The Science of Happiness.
UC Berkeley's Greater Good Science Center, is producing the course. It's being administered on the EdX platform.
Week 1: Introduction to the Science of Happiness
Will be available starting on September 9
Week 2: Happiness & Human Connection
Will be available starting on September 16
Week 3: Kindness & Compassion
Will be available starting on September 23
Week 4: Cooperation & Forgiveness
Will be available starting on September 30
Week 5: Midterm Exam (and time to catch up on course material)
Will be available starting on October 7. Must be completed by November 18.
Week 6: Mindfulness, Attention, and Focus
Will be available starting on October 14
Week 7: Mental Habits of Happiness: Self-Compassion, Flow, and Optimism
Will be available starting on October 21
Week 8: Gratitude
Will be available starting on October 28
Week 9: Finding Your Happiness Fit and the New Frontiers
Will be available starting on November 4
Final Exam
Will be available starting on November 4. Must be completed by November 18.
I'll post about my experiences as we march through the material.
"The Science of Happiness" is being produced by the Greater Good Science Center (GGSC) at the University of California, Berkeley; course co-instructors Dacher Keltner and Emiliana Simon-Thomas are the GGSC's founding director and science director, respectively. The GGSC is unique in its commitment to both science and practice: Not only does it sponsor groundbreaking scientific research into social and emotional well-being, it also helps people apply this research to their personal and professional lives. "The Science of Happiness" is a prime example of the GGSC's work.
"It was the happiest day of my life!"
So said John G. Sperling of the day his brutish father died.
Until age 15, John was dirt poor, sickly, severely dyslexic, and frequently beaten. He rose to become the most successful education entrepreneur in history. I worked for John in the mid-seventies, before the meteoric rise of the University of Phoenix. He was an amazing man.
John died last week at the age of 93. The New York Times has a thoughtful obituary.
This was a man who was obsessed with doing whatever he thought was right, regardless of prevailing opinion. Overcompensating for his miserable beginnings, John became an audacious visionary with the wherewithal to take action.
A good place to find out more about John is his autobiography, Rebel With A Cause:
I did not become an entrepreneur until the age of 52. I created my first company with no thought for building a business, per se, but merely as a way to preserve an educational innovation from being destroyed by a small-minded bureaucracy. I had designed a program specifically for working adults that would allow them to earn a degree in the same amount of time it took full-time students on campus. Because this challenged many of the sacred tenets of academe, it was met with hostility bordering on rage.
My involvement was to develop John's first business degree program during those indeed hostile times.
John told me he wanted our graduates to be able to talk like business people. It was a Turing test — Can you tell the accomplished business person from the recent winner of an accelerated degree? Our performance objectives were rather thin. The subject matter bore a suspicious resemblance to my first year courses at Harvard Business School.
While still in the midst of development, I hired and managed the sales force to sell it. Commission only. John was adamant that we were a profit-making business venture and needed to pay our bills as they came due.
More of the story from The Arizona Republic. My lunch with John about ten years back.
The Missyplicity Project was a project devoted to cloning Joan Hawthorne and John Sperling's dog, a border collie and husky mix. More on Missyplicity.
Future of Talent Weekend — Join me?
Gather talent executives from two dozen Fortune 500's for a long weekend of conversations about what matters most. Meet in an inspirational spot on the Northern California coast.
What do people talk about? The future, mainly. We talk through the trends that are likely to persist. Kevin Wheeler's annual forecast lights the fire. Back and forth discussion draws everyone in.
Kevin started Future of Talent ten years ago, and I've attended every one! This one weekend per year has profoundly shaped how I think about learning, talent, and the future of HR.
Late September's session has a few more openings.
Call me if you'd like to know more. Disclaimer: Kevin is a personal friend, but I'm not on commission. I promote this event because I'm a true believer.
Three days a year helps keep sharp people sharp. Not a bad deal.
Big Data at Google
To see Big Data at work, look to Google, where number-crunching on a massive scale has changed hiring and management practices. Measurements and analytics rule at Google. "All people decisions at Google are based on data and analytics," according to Kathryn Dekas, a manager in Google's "people analytics" team. Google's conclusions have a bearing on where CLOs should be focusing their efforts.
If you interviewed for a job at Google several years ago, you might have been asked to answer questions like these:
- You are shrunk to the height of a nickel and thrown into a blender. Your mass is reduced so that your density is the same as usual. The blades start moving in 60 seconds. What do you do?
- What's the next number in this sequence: 10, 9, 60, 90, 70, 66 … ?
- Using only a four-minute hourglass and a seven-minute hourglass, measure exactly nine minutes—without the process taking longer than nine minutes.
- A book has N pages, numbered the usual way, from 1 to N. The total number of digits in the page numbers is 1,095. How many pages does the book have?
- A man pushed his car to a hotel and lost his fortune. What happened?
Your odds of getting an interview greatly improved if you had a high GPA, astronomical SATs, and graduated from an Ivy League college because the founders believed these things were important.
No longer. Brainteaser questions have been banned, Google recruiters no longer ask about grades, and you don't have to have a college degree to land a job.
In an interview published in The New York Times last June, Lazslo Bock, Google's SVP of People Operations said, "On the hiring side, we found that brainteasers are a complete waste of time. They don't predict anything. They serve primarily to make the interviewer feel smart."
College didn't matter either. Statistics found that GPAs and SAT did not correlate to success on the job, so Google stopped using them. Even earning a college degree rarely seemed to make a difference in job performance, so Google no longer requires a degree to get hired.
Students in school learn to give specific answers. They memorize and parrot back explicit information. In the workaday world, often there is no pat answer. The challenge is to formulate the questions as well as the answers. Google is seeking people who can solve problems that don't have a clear answer.
The numbers told Google that its most innovative workers "are those who have a strong sense of mission about their work and who also feel that they have much personal autonomy." Google looks to what people can become as they grow on the job, not where they come from.
Leadership. "We'll want to know how you've flexed different muscles in different situations in order to mobilize a team."
Role-Related Knowledge. "We're looking for people who have a variety of strengths and passions, not just isolated skill sets. We also want to make sure that you have the experience and the background that will set you up for success in your role." Technical hires — about half of new Googlers — must demonstrate their ability to code,
How You Think. "We're less concerned about grades and transcripts and more interested in how you think. We're likely to ask you some role-related questions that provide insight into how you solve problems."
Googleyness. "We want to get a feel for what makes you, well, you. We also want to make sure this is a place you'll thrive, so we'll be looking for signs around your comfort with ambiguity, your bias to action and your collaborative nature."
Bock says. "The No. 1 thing we look for is general cognitive ability, and it's not IQ. It's learning ability. It's the ability to process on the fly. It's the ability to pull together disparate bits of information."
Google is more interested in who people are than what they know. Experience is the teacher, not the classroom.
Your company's situation may differ. Google is exceptional, an outlier, and it draws on an extraordinary talent pool. But all-in-all, Google's findings bring into question training's usual focus on knowledge over personal growth.
How much of your organization's investment in L&D centers on developing people rather than teaching skills? At Google, self-directed continuous learning is the norm. Job rotation is fluid. There's little formal training.
If Google doesn't value college credentials, it makes one wonder about the national drive for STEM education.
I've posted answers to the brainteasers at http://internettime.com/google
This article appears in the June issue of CLO Magazine.
ASTD no more
The American Society for Training and Development has ceased to exist. Now it's the Association for Talent Development. I have mixed feelings about this.
Tony Bingham announces name change in Washington, May 6, 2014.
This is hardly the first time this professional association has taken on a new name. In 1947, it came to life as the American Society of Training Directors. That left out lower-level trainers so development replaced directors in a name change and the doors were opened to everyone in the training business.
That change was a good move. Trainers flocked to the organization. They learned stand-up skills and how to conduct a needs analysis. Vendors of packaged training courses filled ASTD's exhibit halls. Members of the Instructional Systems Association, a group of business owners, wryly called ASTD "the union."
About ten years ago, the association felt the need to switch monikers once more. Shouldn't the club be international? Was training really the primary focus? The Board enlisted the help of identity consultants and branding experts and eventually decided on a new name: ASTD. Just initials that didn't stand for anything.
Naturally, the name changed flopped. People would refer to ASTD, the American Society for Training and Development.
A couple of years ago, pressure began to build again. Every business you could name was going global. This "America" label was confining. Worse still was the word training. Say training to managers and they think school, teachers, classrooms, and courses. Professionals know that schooling is not the ideal way to help people learn. True learning is experiential, social, incremental, and engaging — the opposite of typical training. Training is generally a backwater in the HR department, and HR is hardly the brightest constellation in the corporate firmament.
Executives say people are their most important asset but pay scant attention to training because they know in their hearts that school-style training doesn't work very well and they aren't aware of the modern alternatives to help people learn. It's wise for ASTD to drop training from its name.
Which brings us to talent. Talent has been a management hot button since McKinsey first scared executives with the notion of talent shortages and the ensuing war for talent. The problem is that there's not enough to go around.
In this sense, we're talking about people, the way that the entertainment industry refers to performers as talent. When you're faced with a shortage of, say, engineers, you put recruiting into high gear. Look at the talent management function in most corporations, and you'll find lot of recruiters, some people concerned with retention, and not a whole lot of emphasis on developing the people who are on board. You won't find any trainers.
For ten years, I've been on the Faculty of the Future of Talent Institute, a colloquium of talent managers from forward-thinking corporations. I'm the token training guy. The attendees take the need for corporate learning very seriously; it's just not part of their jobs.
All of which brings me back to the Association for Talent Development. One would expect the membership to be talent developers. But are there any talent developers??? I've never seen that designation on a business card. Do trainers need to rebrand themselves?
And who's talent and who's not? Does talent encompass senior management? Or is it like show biz, where performers are talent but producers and directors, no matter how talented, are not?
The extended enterprise is the organizational form of the future. Because the highest returns come from doing what you're good at, major corporations will be shrinking to their core expertise. All other activities will be outsourced to partners, specialty firms, suppliers, contractors, and temps. Are these people talent? In an increasingly complex world, an organization would not want to deny them the opportunity to learn along with the core group.
I'll go out on a limb here. I've been in business long enough to see the demise of everything from the typewriter to the minicomputer. I suspect that talent is jargon that will go out of favor when a more apt term comes along. I give it five years.
In the meanwhile I offer best wishes to the Association for Talent Development.


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Have a full masonry fp that is used only few times per year. Decided to put VC Direct vent gas stove on hearth and vent up chimney. Installer just here and said damper throat too small to fit 7" double wall without cutting it, then can't go back to wood FP. He said the b vent would be fine and I wouldn't like the looks of the two pipe system going up chimney. Why would I want to use house air when system can be closed DV?? Isn't that alot less efficient?
INstaller also says he just runs 6" pipe up to new cap and stuffs insulation around pipe at damper? I envisioned a metal plate with a hole cut in for pipe? Should I find a new installer? Thanks for all advice, need to get this done b4 christmas or I'm in the doghouse. TKS. |
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While it won't be quite as intense as what Katniss Everdeen will endure to outlast her competitors in Hunger Games, actress Jennifer Lawrence will have to fight to make it to the final list of nominees for BAFTA's 2012 Orange Rising Star Award. (That said, awards shows would be a lot more interesting if actors and actresses had to battle, Hunger Games-style, to remain nominees, let alone winners.)
But will the odds be ever in Lawrence's favor? Granted, the 21-year-old is already an Oscar-nominee and snagged the coveted role of the aforementioned Katniss, but the long list for BAFTA's 2012 Orange Rising Star Award includes the equally impressive likes of ubiquitous Tree of Life star Jessica Chastain, Sundance darling Felicity Jones of Like Crazy, and Bridesmaids heartthrob Chris O'Dowd, who pulled off the unlikely feat of winning the girl in a movie co-starring Jon Hamm. READ FULL STORY


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PBs 5k-17:16 feb 14 10k-36:59 june 12 half-120:17 may 14 marathon 2:54:17 oct 14
My running log
My week. Had guests for a few days and it messed up my week pretty bad. 48 miles was my lowest since my marathon recovery. I tried too hard to make up for the missed days, and running 4 runs in 2 days including a tough speed workout made my knees and shins scream at me.
On the positive side, Sunday's long run felt good and Thursdays 6x800 was mostly done around 17:00 5k pace and felt good considering it was windy and I was running in 11oz trainers.
PR's: 5K - 17:16, 10K - 37:06 (HM Split), HM - 1:18:14, M - 2:55:58
2015 Goals: Sub 35 10k, Sub 2:50 marathon
RunMapleRun - 7 easy @ 7:09, 7 easy @ 7:07, 12 easy @ 6:58 or I can't decide. You're definitely the new dkggpeters.
Slammin - Awesome 10k. In the Moose Mugs forum, you promised a RR, but I never saw one. And I don't think a few hill repeats are going to take 5 minutes off my 10k time.
frank2000: '7 easy @ 7:09, 7 easy @ 7:07, 12 easy @ 6:58 or I can't decide. You're definitely the new dkggpeters.'
Neither. 7:09 = MP+41s. Hold on to your hats! I increased the number of runs a week while keeping the mileage constant. The paces went down naturally. I swear, those are easy runs.
That said, I'm still only doing one workout a week so we'll see what happens when I pick it up.
Those 800s are nice. I noticed you're lengthening 5:30/mi repeats, are you hoping to extend those all the way to 5k? 1000s next week? I'm actually going to try to do the same thing this winter but with 5:40s and 10k.
PRs 10k 35:41 HM 1:21:53 FM 2:49:36
I'm 1/4 jealous of those easy runs, 1/4 leery that you are just nuts, and 1/2 confused why anything faster than 8:00 pace is hard for me. I see people around here every day that are "around my fitness level" that don't have this problem running faster than 8:00 pace, and very few that run as slowly as me all the time. Am I doing something wrong? Would I be faster if I just ran faster on my non quality runs? (I use "around my fitness level" in quotes since you are a lot faster than me but I want to include you in my sample set)
As for my 5:30 pace repeats, this week I'll do 6x800 again but drop the rest a little bit - to 300m or a little over 90s. Next week takes it up to 5x1000 w/ 90s and the week after that is my last set and it's 5x1000 w/ 60s. That last one is 11 days before my goal race.
Thanks everyone, If you did the hill sprints and speed work you'd be running the same times too. Maybe even faster or at least very close to it.
I seem to remember that some of you guys had a long discussion on this before I started to follow this thread more actively. Do you have any idea when that was, so I can go back and have a look at what was said?
Which program do you follow? Or is it home-made? If so, what do you base your times on. The reason I ask is that
a) I'm really curious and a bit nerdy about this stuff
b) I'm planning to do the Daniels' Running formula 5-15k for a while, and I'm wondering if there are alternatives out there, and if you happen to follow one of those.
PRs: 5k - 17:45 (Helsinki 2014), 10k - 36:56 (Helsinki 2014), Half-marathon - 1:22:44 (second half of Prague Marathon 2014), Marathon - 2:50:25 (Prague 2014)
I see people around here every day that are "around my fitness level" that don't have this problem running faster than 8:00 pace, and very few that run as slowly as me all the time. Am I doing something wrong? Would I be faster if I just ran faster on my non quality runs?
Frank, I am not as experienced as anyone here, but my guess is that it would depend on the mileage that one is running. I would bet that anyone "around your fitness level" that runs over 60-70 miles per week would find it difficult to run much faster than 8:00 pace, too. But if those same people ran less than 50-60 miles/week, it wouldn't be as hard to run sub-8:00 pace for easy runs. I used to be that way, where I could run 7-7:30 pace for easy runs, but that is out of the question now, since I run a lot more mileage than I used to. I often hear of high schoolers (well, I guess not just high school, but usually they'll be more inexperienced runners who do this) who run say, 50 miles/week and can bust out 10+ milers at 6:00 pace or faster, and run the rest of their mileage runs around there too. Granted, some of them are good, but I find it hard to believe they're not hurting themselves in the long run, and that they wouldn't be better if they ran easy on easy days and hard on hard days. If I ever become a coach, I will do my best to enforce running EASY on easy days so that on quality days, they can optimize their capabilities.
So to answer your question of "would I be faster if I ran faster on my non quality runs," it is my (untested and inexperienced) opinion that no, you wouldn't, at least not while training for a marathon. I'd be curious to see if anyone disagrees with me. I suppose all runners are different, but it's my theory that this would be more or less true for just about everyone. What do you all think?
5k - 17:31 (Dec '14) 8k - 28:19 (Oct '13) HM - 1:24:20 (Jan '14) FM - 2:58:48 (Oct '14)
And I forgot to mention, as RunMaple hinted at earlier, that of course it would also depend on the amount of quality days you are planning in your week. If you're only doing one workout per week, obviously it wouldn't hurt to run a bit faster than necessary for easy runs, but if you're doing 2-3 workouts per week, your "easy" pace is quite a bit more important.
Mon – 9.1 treadmill at 6:35 pace (last 4.0 at 6:00 pace)
Tue – 15.5 at 8:01 pace
Wed – 10.0
Thu – 6.0 treadmill
Fri – 6.0 treadmill
Sat – 23.0 at 7:52 pace
Sun – 6.0
75.6 miles
Fantastic week here. The LR was up Capital Crescent Trail and down Rock Creek Park on Saturday morning in DC. Nice cool morning. (But I worked hard for that 7:52 pace. When I was at lower weekly mileage last year I could run these at 7:30 pace. No longer.)
mkerikss – Hope you've got the ITBS solved. Glad to hear you're okay in the DS Trainers. Great shoes.
Slammin – That's a stunning 10k time. 5:23 pace? Is there an RR?
HM: 1:20:57 (NYC Half 2014) M: 2:53:42 (Boston 2014) 50M: 7:53:54 (JFK 2013)
Maple, enjoyed the shout-out. I figure any week with 40 miles in it is solid - no more excuses! Time to slowly get the mileage up to what everyone else is running (well, a high of 70 in late March might not make others even blink).
I run very fast because I desperately want to stand very still.
- The Oatmeal (http://theoatmeal.com/comics/running)
Looks like some good weekly reports still coming in. Nice work! I can't even do the stairs today.
Frank: I don't know what you are talking about with your under 8:00 min pace is not easy. Especially since you are in much better shape than me. I rarely like running slower than 7:50 pace, even when I was doing 70+ mpw.
Slammin: I'm with everyone else on this. Some hill sprints and speed workouts aren't getting me within smelling distance of a 33 min 10k. That's sick. Maybe by the time I'm old (over 40).
Obsessed is just a word the lazy use to describe the dedicated
2015 Goals: FM-2:49:59, HM-PR, 10M-58:59, 10K-35:59, 5K-16:59, Miles-2900
nimmalS - your modified nickname somehow associates with an "animal" for me. But that's really how it is, you are real animal (nothing new here ) if you think about when you ran your last marathon and when you set your 10K PR. Congrats!
RunMaple - that is what happens after marathons very often - some runners just go to the next level (Super Mario anyone?). I am just curious what your next FM goal is going to be. Really nice week. And it seems so easy for you.
Richard - didn't expect that kind of week from you… Really impressed…
Angel - solid training. What is your next target race?
PiwiKiwi - looks like your recovery goes really well.
Frank - I am not sure why you are worried? It should not be easy all the time, you know . Plus, the only guy who is running faster than you right now here is RMR, all the others are pretty much in a maintenance mode. I also was thinking about your words re your "goal race". I don't know - I would become really tired just thinking about another goal race. I mean, you had a marathon, big and long training cycle - now you are adding more goal races (and with word "goal" for me comes responsibility and stress). Would not be wiser just to continue training for a marathon and make training for shorter races just a part of the preparation, without assigning "goal" word to them (and avoiding addition stress? ). I mean, taking it easier than maybe you right now. Just guessing...
mkerikss - I don't remember any long discussion about hills in this thread. People here constantly talking about hills, actually (thanks to Slammin). The agreement is that you have to do them, do at least once a week and usually - on easy days. Some people just do them a little bit different than Brad Hudson recommends in his book - either different incline, or two times a week or different number of sets - it's like running by feel, nothing is made in stone. Re different program for shorter stuff - I think, this link ( http://www.runnersworld.com/ra...k-puzzle?page=single  was recommended some time ago (Frank was saying he was going to follow it for some time).
charlaugser - I read one article related to Canova training recently. One thing I thought was unusual there - he was saying that you definitely has to have some kind of structure, but you decide on what you do every day after you ran your first two miles - if you feel good, you can do hard workout, if you (your body) is not feeling well, just go for an easier stuff. Something similar to what Brad Hudson actually says in his book, if I remember correctly. I wish I had that kind of experience to decide what to do after running first 2 miles. Also, Re faster running - that's a mute point actually, if you read Hudson or any stuff you find related to Canova - I think you have to maximize the stuff you are running at goal pace, but the hard thing to do there - you have to be smart about it and not make the injury happen, otherwise, you know - if you are injured, you fast running will not pay back...
Patrick - great week man! What is up for you in Basel (or Beantown), sub 2:50? Maybe we can run for that goal time together there?
Jacob - nice to hear you are in good mood and your training is coming nicely!
My week:
Mo - URD
Tu - 11.1 @ 7:59
We - 11.1 @ 7:55
Th - 13.5 @ 7:09 (with 8 @ 6:35)
Fr - 11.1 @ 7:47
Sa - URD
Su - URD
Total: 46.8 mi
Interesting week for me - took 3 unscheduled rest days, trying to understand why - I think because just didn't feel any drive for running on those days - made my laziness prevail. Hope it's not totally bad for my coming FM in December.
Richmond Marathon RR. My second marathon and last sub 3 miss.
My final taper week went better than expected. I felt rested and ready to go with little nervousness or pre-race sluggishness. I was running no more than 5 miles per day with 2-3 of them at MP. Friday I followed the Aussie Carb Load plan by doing a 10 min easy warm-up, 3 mins hard (5:30 pace), and a 5 min cool down followed by a day of eating carbs. Friday I worked a half day and then the entire family drove down to Richmond from DC area. We all went to the expo, out for a simple dinner with some pasta and back to the hotel for early bedtime. My kids love hotels; and race expos because they get all kinds of junk. At the expo my wife and kids made a sign for me. On the sign my wife wrote part of my favorite movie quote from The Rock: "Losers always whine about their best…"
Saturday morning I felt good. I got up before the family around 5:45am and ate some bread and jam and a banana and coffee. We drove 15 minutes downtown to the race. It was pouring rain and about 50 degrees. About the time we parked it stopped raining but started again when we got the starting line where the HM was beginning. My son loved watching thousands of HM runners blasting by us. After a pee break and a Gu at 7:45 I got to the start line…30 seconds before the gun. The race started at 7:56, 4 minutes early, which is kind of uncool IMO but I made it without running. I only say it's uncool because sometimes people are rushed due to the crowds and lines at the porta-johns like I was so starting early add unneeded drama. We were off.
Miles 1-5 were uneventful. I eased into my pace with mile 1 around 7:00 or so. I passed the large 3:05 pace group around mile 1.5. I'm not sure how I was so far behind that group that it took 1.5 miles to pass them. They started too fast. Amateurs. Ha! Slowly I worked my way down to 6:48 pace. We were running on the other side of the road next to the last wave of the half marathoners so I was just looking over watching and cheering for them as I ran. Lots of marathoners were passing me but I fought my chase reflex and stayed steady. It rained fairly hard from about mile 0.5 to mile 2 and then turned into a fine mist. It wasn't a big deal but would have been annoying if it lasted all race.
Miles 6-13 were the best miles of the race. Around Mile 6 we got a nice downhill. I noticed I had been running around the same guy and woman for a couple miles so I took the opportunity of the easier effort to chat it up about their goal time. Well that turned into a 4 mile discussion. They both shooting for around 3 hours, both had over 10 marathons under their belt including trips to Boston and we were all parents of multiple kids. I took a Gu and water around mile 6 and passed the 10k mat at about 42:30, 6:51 pace; right where I wanted to be. I had been alternating water and sport drink at each stop and continued that until around mile 18 when I started drinking some of both. We then crossed the James River which was beautifully dreary with the clouds and mist. We winded down along the river and then into some neighborhoods. I left the guy I was chatting with on a short steep hill after mile 10 but the woman kept up, using me as a pacer. That hill was the first perceivable effort of the race that was harder than easy. I had a 2nd Gu and tossed my empty water bottle that I had been sipping somewhere around 12. Mile 13 had a party group blasting some Michael Jackson Beat-it. Loved it. Passed the HM mat at about 1:29:20. Felt awesome.
Miles 14-20 I spent anticipating some pain. Maybe I should have been more positive because I felt great. I grabbed an Accel Gel at mile 14. I had never had any Accel Gel before but I figured I hold onto it in case I needed a 4th since I only planned 3 GUs. The woman I was running with found a faster pacer and over the next few miles slowly ran away. We crossed back across the James River. Some poor guy was puking on the bridge. But then he passed me a few minutes later so I guess he was good to go. I took a cup at the junk food stop but tossed it when I realized it was coke. No thanks. Got some water instead. I passed my buddy cheering after the bridge. He had driven down just to see me run. I have some good friends considering I'm a jerk. A lot of this section was slight uphill but I held onto my 6:48 avg pace. I took a third Gu at mile 18 and kept drinking water and sports drink at each water station.
Mile 20-26 started to hurt, as expected. It came on slowly and I never hit a wall but by mile 24 I was not happy. Most of the course at this point was very slightly downhill but even so around mile 22 I saw my watch said 6:50 pace and never went back to 6:48. I was a little angry that I was not feeling good anymore. I locked onto the guy who had been in front of me since 19 and just stayed with him through 23, 24, and to mile 25 when I passed him. There were a few mild up hills that hurt a lot and my watch said 6:52 pace at mile 25. I found myself running with another guy going for sub 3 and his pacer/friend who I think ran the half and then joined us around 25. The pacer was very encouraging and saw the sub 3 on my shirt and started trying to help me too. I gasped that I was at the limit. He kept shouting at me and his buddy. He was great, seriously. The duo crept ahead of me and out of sight at a quick couple of final turns. Mile 26; my watch said 6:54 pace. Damn. I'd be surprised if the other guy made sub 3 but I hope he did.
The end was epic, of course. The crowds were immense. It's a steep downhill from mile 26 to the line. Even with the downhill I could barely press harder. I knew I had lost sub 3 but I pushed like I hadn't. I was able to pass one guy and then saw one more maybe 50 yards out closing on the line. I had to beat him. The announcer shouted my name and my hometown when I crossed the pre-finish mat. I gave the rest I had and blew by that last guy 10 yards before the line at 3:01. I could barely stand. I heard my wife yell but it was blurry and I couldn't find her. I heard my buddy and found him. I was almost falling over. I expected to be very unhappy about missing 2:59 but wasn't that much. I had BQed by 9 minutes and PRed by over 20. I stumbled to collect my medal and blanket and food. It was still cloudy and cool but not cold. My son was super excited, probably because we'd be going home soon. My little girl, asleep. My legs were gone but I kept walking, drinking and forcing food. An hour later I was ready to go again. Too bad there were no more races that day. Yeah right.
I'm going to take 2-3 weeks to recovery and then start up a 12 week plan to be ready for the DC Rock and Roll Marathon in March. Goal: 2:59. Maybe I'll follow a real plan this time. Anyone have a good 12 week plan that can get me that last 1-2 minutes?
mkerikss - I'm following a Brad Hudson approach. It's not so much a plan as a progression of workouts leading up to a peak workout close to the goal race. My fast runs are getting a little slower and longer (closer to race pace\distance) and my tempo runs are getting faster and shorter (closer to race pace\distance). The tempo runs are going from HM pace to faster than 10mi pace this week. They should be at 10k pace, but I'm not quite ready for that.
charlaugser - Makes sense about the increasing miles slowing you down. I'm only doing 50 mpw these days, but I am throwing quite a bit of quality at it.
calbearsfan - I really like having a goal. In fact, one of the reasons I'm doing this fast stuff and 5k goal race is I wasn't ready to focus on Boston so soon and needed a goal. I intend to take 2 weeks off after my Dec 15th race and not put on running shoes until Jan 1st though. Haven't done that in 2 years now.
tint - I seem to have a "natural" running pace of 8:15. That hasn't ever changed. 7:30 doesn't feel especially hard, but I need to mentally work to keep my pace there. It always just slows right back down to 8:15.
patrick - Nice week. When's your next race?
Frank - nothing wrong with having a goal. I am just saying that if the goal adds some stress to your overall life, that's not a very good thing. I am not saying you have a stress , just guessing. I always have a goal too - but it may easily be unrelated to race - even like, running as much as I can to feel good about running . I think it's even more important the more years you run and train (just my another guess). In any case - you know what you are doing.
Re training paces - I like to run all my easy/recovery runs by feel and don't think much about recommended paces by different sources. And for about 2 years my "natural" pace was around 8:20-8:25. But, looks like 3 years of running with 2 years at around 3000 mi/year made my "by feel" runs pace closer to 7:45-7:55. The same effort, the same HR - just faster pace. So, for now it's my new natural pace .
Patrick - well, if your endurance is good and you pace wisely, then your predictions should be pretty accurate.
Re goal for CIM marathon - I have no idea. I actually follow my original plan of having no plan between marathons so close together - my plan was to run easy, by feel and keep more or less decent mileage. This kind of training doesn't provide any pointers to race performance but, because I have to have a goal - my goal would be a PR. So, I will probably be targeting 6:35 pace (6:38 in Chicago), means, something around 2:52:30, probably. Just a few months ago I planned going for sub 2:50, but the tough race in Chicago hinted that I should not be that greedy and any PR is pretty huge at this point.
No injury, just taking some time off from the long runs. Looks like Slammin' is having quite an influence; I see that many of us are now doing hill sprints!
Marathon PR: 2:53:59. Half Marathon: 1:21:38 10k: 36:42. 5k:17:35
calbearsfan - Right now I'm considering running a 5K in December, I've run two 5Ks this year and both had short courses, so maybe the third time will be the charm. After that I'll run a 10K race in January that I've run the last couple of years and I use it as an indicator of fitness for the start of the year. I'll probably start training for Boston at around the same time. A few people in my running group are running CIM, hopefully the weather will be better than past year.
Although I've lately had a few weeks in the 60s, my mileage is still quite paltry compared to what most people in this thread are running. My current average for the year is only 45mpw, but it's a little better than past year's 40mpw.
PRs 5K 19:34 Mar2012 – 10K 39:20 Aug2012 - HM 1:23:47 Apr2013 - FM 2:58:21 Jun2013
My easy runs have always been around 8min/miles even at peak fitness, but my tempos get longer or faster as my fitness improves during a cycle. I'm probably one of the few people that needs to wear a Garmin to speed up my runs.
PRs - 10k - 36:52 (7/11) Half - 1:21:37 (2/11) Mary - 2:51:20 (4/13)
Try great RR and thanks for sharing. "I have some good friends considering I'm a jerk. ".........hilarious!!
M: 2:58:57 (2012/11) HM: 1:26:44 (2009/10) 10k 36:43 (2013/04)
2013 Goals: sub 1:20 HM, sub 2:47 M and sub 36 10KM.
Thanks for sharing Try...awesome effort at the end.
20 miles for me total last week (16 miles on Friday and Saturday). finally getting back into the swing of things as post-marathon soreness and niggles have disappeared.
Of course I go to the gym and tweaked my back doing squats. back to rest and light running for the next four weeks. Good thing it's the offseason Just have to make sure I don't gain weight.
TinT - enjoyed reading your RR. Thanks! Your plan sounds good - I think just running for another 12 weeks will get you to your current goal. There are plenty of 12 weeks plans. I used to of them - Pfitz 12/70 and 12 last weeks of Hansons Advanced plan from Luke Humphrey book. I achieved my first sub 3 after doing that short version of Hansons.
Try -- Great race report. Congrats on the PR and BQ.
PRs: Marathon: 2:58:30 (Chicago 2013); Half-Marathon: 1:22:48 (9/13); 10K: 37:18 (5/13); 5K: 17:57 (7/13)
TinT - Great report, really enjoyed it! As has already been said, you had a really good race even without the sub-3. Good that you didn't feel to beat up about it! I used the Pfitz 12/55 in my last cycle, and I really liked it. The longer mileage variants should be good too!
Feel a little silly posting this here, but I ended up running a 3:20 this past weekend in tough conditions in San Antonio. The temperature ranged from 73 at the start to 79 at the finish with 80% humidity the whole time. I knew any time goal was out the window, so I just tried to pace myself well, and see what I could learn from the experience, as it was my first marathon. Ran the first 20 at 7:26 pace and felt decent, then started to bonk and struggled home. Probably passed 10-12 people the last 10 miles and only got passed by 2, so I felt like I was stronger at the end than a lot of the others out there. Not sure where to go from here really. Don't think I have the mental energy to give it a go again anytime soon. Probably gonna shoot for Austin in Feb 2015, and try to improve my HM PR this spring. Hopefully I'll have better luck with weather next time. This was a very humbling experience, but leaves me hungry to keep trying. I did set new PR's in 5k and 10k this training block, so it wasn't all for naught.
HM- 1:24:59, 10k- 37:55, 5k- 17:54
drew - 73-79 oF for the marathon is cruel. I don't know how I would do in those conditions too. Don't overthink it. The mental fatigue is totally understandable. Don't push it. Forget about all the training for at least two weeks. Start to run just for fun, only when you want it for next few weeks after the break. The desire and mental strength should come back if you don't push it.
I'm a little late to the 2013 thread but I didn't decide to run a road marathon this year until I got squeezed out of Boston 2014. My target race is Jacksonville 12/29. PR is currently 3:09:50 from my last road marathon, October 2012. I think 3:05 is pretty reasonable with a shot at sub-3.
Last week was a cutback on mileage but my first long run with significant MP miles:
Mon – Rest
Tue – 12.1 track wu + 4 x (2M 6:20 pace w/2min rest) + cd
Wed – 3.0 easy
Thu – 9.1 with 4 at 6:30 pace
Fri – rest
Sat – 19.0 with 15 at 6:45 pace
Sun – 3.0 easy
46.2 miles
Prior week is more indicative of what I've been doing:
Mon – 6.4 easy
Tue – 12.3 track wu + 8 x (1M w/30s rest) + cd. Repeats averaged about 6:15 pace with last one at 5:39.
Wed – 6.5 easy
Thu – 8.5 with 4M at 6:12 pace
Sat – 6.0 easy
Sun – 21.1: wu + 4M 6:29 pace + 10M easy + 5K 6:24 pace + cd
60.8 miles
1M: 5:29 (Sep10) 5K: 18:58 (Jun12) 10K: 40:12 (Jan13) HM: 1:26:36 (Oct13) FM: 3:09:50 (Oct12) 100K: 12:12:32 (Jun13) 100M: 22:18:39 (Mar12)
TiNT Great job and nice report. You know I feel your pain with my many near misses. At least you don't fall asleep or go potty like I seem to do lately.
Drew Good job regardless, keep the intensity and it could happen on the next one. Actually up the mileage, choose a cooler race and it will happen.
PR is currently 3:09:50 from my last road marathon, October 2012.
These two things tell me you should have 3:05 and maybe sub 3. Decide if you want BQ or sub 3 more and go for that.
etplante - it's never too late to join! Welcome!
Your two weeks you referred to look pretty good. Seems like a lot of fast running but not a lot of mileage. Pretty common combination lately but usually plays as 50/50 for the goal . What was your average mileage during this year, during last 5-6 months? What are your times for shorter races - HMs, 10 and 5Ks?
Thanks for the advice and welcome.
This year I spent training for Leadville Trail 100 and didn't do hardly any road racing until I found out 10 sec qualifier wouldn't get me into Boston. I ran 6 ultras and was running 300 miles per month in summer. Average so far for the entire year is 49 mpw with lots of slow trail miles.
The only distance that's recent is my 1:26 hilly HM from last month which was also partially on trails. Pretty sure I would crush my 5k and 10k as I've run faster in training than my current PRs. I'm doing an 8k next week so that should be a good indication.
I set up this training cycle as max 65mpw, 6 days; track, tempo, LR and 3 x easy. If I knew at the beginning I would tolerate the mileage as well as I have, definitely would have upped it to maybe 75mpw. Oh well, live and learn.
etplante - just saw your time for HM you ran in Oct. That puts some doubts for sub 3 goal but still works pretty good for sub 3:05. I would try to find another HM race 4-5 weeks out from the race day, do a mini taper and run it. Your long MP runs are awesome, so you still can run sub 3 (and maybe even faster than just sub 3 ) with this HM time, but that will be your call - because nobody really knows how hilly the course was, what kind of efforts you put into it, what kind of taper you had for that HM. A lot of unpredictable stuff. Even with all this I think you are definitely good to go for your goal.
What better way to recover from a BQ/PR Marathon than a 5k race 4 days later. I had signed up weeks ago for this work charity 5k today. Who the F know why. The quads and calves were still sore but what the heck, I'll just go jog it out. Uh huh. Because I am known for my restraint when it comes to races.
There were about 150 runners. The company director shouts go and we roll out. I quickly find myself in 3rd place behind these two guys and they are moving. I looked at my watch after 30 secs and it said 5:20 pace. Whoa. No, no, no. I pulled it way back and let those guys go. They passed mile 1 around 5:30 because I was a good 20 seconds behind at 5:50. Good. Third place is fine for today, no need to hurt myself. My poor legs. I was going to jog today. So I just held that pace, controlled breathing, feeling good aside from my legs.
Well after the turn around I started to gain. I didn't think much of it. Held pace at 5:55. Passed mile 2 and soon after passed the guy in 2nd place. His breathing didn't sound good. 1st place had separated by 100 yards at this point so I was thinking, cool 2nd place. Well...I kept gaining. I didn't want to red line because I felt ok and knew my legs were hating me so I just held. And then around mile 2.75 I caught and passed the guy in 1st. I accelerated some to secure my lead and then ran it in feeling in pain but not as bad as max 5k effort. And I PRed my 5k. I don't know the exact time yet but somewhere around 18:15-18:20. Haha. Great marathon recovery plan huh? I'm such an idiot! But I got to break the tape and get my picture with the company director. Boom!
Haha!! Just saw Kiwi's question. How soon after for V02 max stuff? 4 days at least.
TinT - that's pretty entertaining RR! Congrats on winning the race! Yeah, I would not do 5K less than a week after the FM, but - different strokes for different folks. Plus - as I understand, you didn't run hurting yourself, you ran with the manageable efforts level. Which makes difference I think. Pretty awesome win.
I follow this: http://www.runnersworld.com/ra...overy-part-ii?page=2 So a couple of moderate tempo runs in weeks 5 and 6.


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In May I posted about the prejudice, discrimination and stigma faced by those - mainly women - who are diagnosed or even labelled as BPD (Borderline Personality Disorder)
In June the Glasgow Herald carried a a low-key but powerful article on the prejudice experienced by sufferers of BPD - Borderline Personality Disorder. Today I carry large extracts from the Herald article with additional comments from me.
"Up to 150,000 Scots suffer from Borderline Personality Disorder (BPD), according to the SeeMe campaign. Three-quarters are women.
Yet the term is controversial - viewed by many professionals and patients as a "dead-end" diagnosis. Studies have shown that many psychiatrists and psychiatric nurses view it as untreatable.
This is critically important, as those diagnosed with BPD have a hugely increased suicide risk - 50 times greater than the general population, according to one study."
"Untreatable"; "'dead-end' diagnosis" but, as the article goes on to state, BPD is treatable There's also a very negative slant to "dead-end". No wonder there's prejudice when so-called professionals don't even know there is a treatment.
"The Mental Welfare Commission in Scotland [MWC] has launched an investigation into the recent suicide of a woman in the Highlands who was alleged to have a personality disorder. But the MWC already believes the situation must change. It carried out an investigation following another case in 2003 where a man with a personality disorder, known as Mr G, was left to languish in prison with an "untreatable" personality disorder.
Mr G was discovered to be suffering from a type of dementia, which had gone untreated. His low mood, suicidal thoughts and inappropriate behaviours were disregarded. Even the fact he was now incontinent hadn't prompted the doctors charged with his care to review their diagnosis, until the commission intervened."
Mr G was labelled, left to rot and the professionals either didn't pay enough attention to see his other symptoms or they didn't care about his diagnosis or they were so fixed on his original diagnosis as to be blind to anything else. Whatever the real reason, these people 'shouldn't be within a million miles of the title 'professional'.
Dr Donald Lyons, director of MWC Scotland, says, "The problem with the diagnosis of personality disorder is that it can be used as a way to exclude people from services. Where somebody has that diagnostic label attached to them, mental health professionals can become blinkered to other mental health problems which are going on with that individual."
It's easy to read these words quickly and not realise just how damning they are! These 'people' are getting away with behaviours the equivalent of which would be deemed unacceptable in a tradesperson.
"The trouble is that people who are perceived as behaving in difficult or troublesome ways often get this label - and it might be that they are behaving in a troublesome or difficult way because they are actually ill."
Is it really too much too ask that medics would realise this? Apparently so. Patients might be "behaving in difficult or troublesome ways" because no-one in the NHS is listening to them.
Mr G's case showed clearly that evidence of other conditions was sometimes being overlooked, Lyons says, while a BPD diagnosis also appeared to make it difficult for other agencies to get help for their clients from mental health services.
"When we went to see Mr G in prison, the prison mental health records actually contained the information that we needed to think, wait a minute this isn't right - this diagnosis can't explain everything that's happening with this person.' "In the course of examining the case we interviewed a number of health care, social care, homeless agencies and voluntary sector providers and we were often told of the difficulty they experienced in accessing a mental health service where someone was given a diagnosis of personality disorder."
A key word here is "often". This means that exclusion from services is not a rare occurrence. Anecdotally, this is a very common experience.
Now Lyons believes psychiatrists and those in related professions must change their attitude: "A lot of work has to be done to ensure mental health professionals are aware of the possibilities for treatment. You don't just say, personality disorder - as far as mental health services are concerned, case closed, there's nothing we can do'."
Again this is incredibly damning: "must change their attitude". We who have suffered or witnessed suffering have been shouting this for ages.
Last year Scotland took a lead within the UK by including BPD in a list of mental health conditions professionals are now obliged to approach in a systematic, comprehensive manner as part of NHS strategies to integrate care.
It is important to realise that treatment must be given only when there is a formal diagnosis of BPD. If a patient isn't diagnosed as BPD but has a label which professionals know is equivalent to BPD treatment can, and will, be denied.
Some psychiatrists do accept the need for a new approach.
This means that some do not. In fact, one could argue that "some" refers to a minority. If this is correct, a majority do NOT accept a new approach is needed.
"Fortunately it is now known there is hope for recovery for BPD sufferers ...... . Approximately 40% of those diagnosed no longer meet the criteria for BPD after five or six years, and recovery rates can be even higher with effective intervention,...."
So there is treatment which is effective but ......
"Despite these discoveries, many patients with BPD still feel they are dismissed as manipulative and beyond help. Challenging behaviours such as self-harming, which have been developed as coping strategies, are not always understood.
Many patients feel they have been written off by medics .......
There is no doubt that behaviours can be difficult but the NHS should be here to help those who suffer but, to its eternal shame, the NHS appears to shun the sufferers.
It will take time for old prejudices to fade and there is an ongoing issue with poor provision of psychological therapies. Legislation and research alone cannot create the culture change the mental Welfare Commission and tens of thousands of sufferers would like to see.
In its quiet way this is about the most damning part of the article.
What oath have these medical oafs taken? It seems as though it must be along the lines of, "Now that I am qualified to practice I promise to uphold the traditions of medicine and be an arrogant and ignorant sod; I will treat my patients with the disdain in which the profession has always held the general public; my actions will always be in my best interests and rarely in those of my patients; any who question my diagnoses, judgments or opinions or those of my esteemed colleagues will be shunned until the sun stops shining out of my arse."
I'm sorry about my last paragraph. I became angrier and angrier as I wrote this piece. The Herald article in its understated style is a classic hatchet job. My style - when angry - is a touch less polished.


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gailcarriger wrote on November 12th, 2012 at 12:37 pm |
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