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...and that seems to be the rationale behind some efforts at Tropicalismo.
In David Francko's book "Palms Won't Grow Here and Other Myths", the author takes great pleasure in describing techniques for overwintering tropicals that historically have never been considered as permanent landscape subjects in non-tropical climates. Typical is his discussion of getting Chinese fan palms to survive a zone 6 winter and seeing "a few beautiful palm fronds" generated in the following season. I have to wonder about the point of some of these struggles. Is it really worth it to construct enclosures, buy and use antifungals, antidessicants and heating cables, and otherwise utilize elaborate strategies to overwinter tropicals that in the end, are pale imitations of what can be achieved in the right climate? In the case of the Chinese fan palm, I used one in a border this past year. Before frost, I dug it out and it is overwintering in a low-light location between fluorescent light stands in my basement (it did well under these conditions last winter) before being returned to the border next year. And if this doesn't work out, there are more good-sized $6 fan palms available at the local building supply store nursery department. I do overwinter bananas, crepe myrtles and Nandina here with minimal low-tech protection because they achieve substantial decorative effects in my climate (the crepes will likely never become trees, but they should flower abundantly with a shrubby habit suited to my space, and 8-10 feet of banana growth in a season is plenty enough to convince me that I have temporarily relocated to the tropics). However I can't convince myself that it's worth a major effort to raise a spindly palm or stunted live oak, merely to show that it can be done. Your thoughts? |
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Some of us have a severe addiction to CHALLENGES! LOL You are so right - why would one want to 'winter over' a tropical plant, when one could trade or send postage to another GW'er, for whom this plant flourishes in winter? Why would one wish to grow a tropical from seed, baby it, keep it over winter, when he could just order one over the internet next May? It's all about our stubborn, "I can DO THIS" attitude, the very attitude that gets ME through the nasty cold weather to our May planting season. I am an Aries, and the worst thing in the world,for me,is to be told "it can't be done". Yes, it CAN be done - maybe not with great results, but it CAN be done! Yes, my little cottage house, where I live in 500 square feet, only faintly resembles a 'home' right now - it more resembles a greenhouse, but, by golly, my precious tropicals are warm, and that's what's important to this old gal right now. I have spent the better part of today cleaning up dropped leaves, watering, and generally smelling those that are still blooming. Heck, there's nothing going on outdoors right now, at my house, but inside, I have jasmines blooming, brugmansias blooming, and other goodies - my house smells wonderful. So, from me - there you have it - I like the 'responsibility' I feel to these green children of mine! |
Eric, I would agree that such measures don't always make much sense, but as Kay says, some people just appreciate the challange of it all. Although I garden with subtropicals in a much more benign zone 10 climate, it is also a risk to grow some things well here, and I also know that so many things would actually do better if I did make an effort to protect them from too much rain and winter chill. Instead, my approach is more one of letting things fend for themselves, and trying to weed out the truly marginal plants from those that function well and over a long enough period to make them worth the effort. In my own case, I just can't see taking a whole garden inside for the winter, or digging things up each fall. I am willing to throw freeze fabric over plants or a plastic tarp over succulents if rain keeps going on and on and rot is inevitable, but this is purely an occasional rather than regular winter event. I would really do better if I moved to southern California with the garden I have, but the challenge of doing it here is part of the appeal, I must admit. It doesn't make much sense to me, either, to grow plants that are one step forward in summer and two steps back each winter, that just doesn't seem a reasonable way to garden to me, but far be it for me to say someone else shouldn't do it if they want to. I think we are a bit spoiled here in coastal California, where very few people do much more in winter than throw a tarp over the orange tree in a bad freeze, and move succulents onto a covered porch. It makes it easier to be lazy when a bad freeze is only an occasional every 10 or 20 year event. For clients, I try to make it very clear what plants may be at risk in the garden, and let them tell me how much risk versus cost to replace they are willing to take. I've also learned that winter tolerance is not the biggest setback to growing tender plants here in California. A bigger disappointment is not being able to grow those high heat plants successfully, or things that need constant high humidity and rainfall all summer. These sorts of plants I prefer to see growing in Arizona or South Florida, rather than struggle with a pathetic specimen that just isn't happy in my own mild but generally cool year round garden. Fortunately that still leaves alot of tropical habitats to choose plants from that do like it here. I find that I am most intrigued by tropical style gardens in any climate that achieve the look at the least superhuman efforts, and are therefore more sustainable in the long run. Outside zone 8 conditions, I would think that this relies more on root hardy fast growers, or temperate plants with tropical appearance. I still don't think I would be so enamored of large plants that always die back in winter, again because we are fortunate to have Brugmansias, Hedychiums, Alocasias, Bromeliads, Orchids, Palms, etc. that will stay evergreen in our region, with only the occasional freeze to whack them back. The tropical look for me in this zone is one that looks good and tropical all year round. I don't want to look out on bare spots in the garden or lots of naked sticks in winter. I wonder what the ratio is of people who are determined to grow tropicals at any cost versus the more laid back approach? I'm willing to bet that the more severe the climate, the greater the percentage of gardeners willing to make the extra effort. One just doesn't see many gardeners here in such states of true zonal denial, or at least without a greenhouse to move things inside for the winter. In my own garden, nothing gets moved for lack of space to put anything elsewhere... |
What might have gotten lost in my first post was the suggestion that zone-pushing makes the most sense when the results justify the effort. Maybe Francko didn't select optimal photos for his book, but some of the palm pix in particular are not what I would call impressive. It's interesting to know that you can grow a palm as a two-foot herbaceous perennial, but is it worth the struggle? |
Eric, along the same vein I've been growing Tetrapanax papyrifera for the last 3 years. This is technically a woody shrub but in my zone the stems are killed to the ground and it behaves more like an herbaceous perennial. Although it has proven hardy and resprouts from the roots in spring, it doesn't really amount to much until late summer. I love the foliage once it finally bulks up but I'm wondering if it's worth taking up space in my garden for the couple of months that it's effective. I'm hoping for a milder winter to see if it performs better. |
For many of us, it is the challenge and the experimentation which is the addictive part of the whole process of zonal denial. It is not necessarily the result that is the defining criterion of whether or not it is worth it. That said, I have tried a lot of tropical plants here. Some worked and some didn't, but trying was really fun! And the whole experience was sweetened when, contrary to what I was being told, some of the plants not only survived, but thrived! So now I have several bamboos, yuccas, giant hibiscus and a citrus tree, along with a hardy banana and prickly pear cactus. Palms may never work here, but the "thrill of the hunt" keeps me going. I guess that my message is that of the many types of gardeners, there are those who are more "process" oriented, and those who are more "results" oriented......so it's all in what you get out of it that give you your satisfaction and keeps you at it. |
My wife graduated from the University of Miami (Ohio) where Dr. Francko resides. We are taking a trip up to look around at the campus next month and while I'm there I will definately check out the "Miami" palms. I will try to remember to come back here with a full report. |
- Posted by jayreynolds zone 6/7 (My Page) on Tue, Nov 30, 04 at 14:18
"I don't want to look out on bare spots in the garden or lots of naked sticks in winter." Unfortunately, from zone 7 up, other than evergreens and a few exceptions, that is what we have every winter anyways. I can accept bare spots and sticks in winter, because that's the way it is in my zone. For me, I spent ~1/4 of my life in the tropics, and I like a taste once in awhile, even if it's only pretend for 4-6 months. |
I really don't see anything wrong with it at all. If someone wants to try and push the limits, albeit with rather expensive and elaborate means, I am all for it. Some people have zone denial, myself included, and that isn't a bad thing. In Cincinnati, people have been growing Needle Palms and Sabal minors for a long time. Eventually even the most hardy will die, but it was fun growing them while we could. Who knows maybe one day a super-hardy Sabal minor will be discovered or bred by one of those people trying to push the limits. |
If our predecessors didn't take the odd chance and "push the envelope" We would probably still be growing "daisies" not that there is anything wrong with them, but they are limiting. |
It's not a matter of "sticking with the tried and true" vs. "pushing the envelope". To look at the situation in reverse, I grew "hardy" salvias in southeast Texas. Some did OK, others barely survived. Some might consider it worthwhile to keep growing the less well-adapted varieties to show that it can be done. For me, though, there were too many other salvias that grew exuberantly in that climate for me to waste time on the varieties that did not. |
- Posted by greenelbows1 z9--so LA (My Page) on Sun, Dec 12, 04 at 21:12
This is a great topic and one that can be debated both ways. Here in the heat and humidity--but not enough of either in the winter to make it possible to grow a lot of tropicals without major adjustments and protections--people keep trying to grow rhododendrons and lilacs and peonies. I enjoy experimenting and 'pushing the envelope' but only so long as the plants thrive most the time. I am really not into torturing plants! Sometimes I figure if I grew it in the beautiful PNW where I grew up, I shouldn't even try it here, but that's stupid because camellias do very well both places--for example. Sometimes when I'm tired of hauling things in and trying to find places for them in my very small greenhouse and very dark house, I wonder why I don't just grow things I know will do well. But that probably won't happen 'til I'm too decrepit to do otherwise! And for you folks who cover things up and then uncover them--they make freeze-protection fabrics that are good to 24 degrees and don't have to be removed to prevent over-heating--lets the rain in and keeps the wind off and I've kept LOTS of things that shouldn't over-winter here doing just fine with them. |
- Posted by cheerpeople 5a (My Page) on Tue, Dec 14, 04 at 15:40
I'm a few miles from zone 4. I like the tropical look, especially in aug and sept when the zone hardy perennials are boring me to tears, and everyone elses pertunias are just not cutting it for me. I don't have a lot of $ or a green house to do much experimenting. But I'm always on the lookout for something to give a whirl. I love the rush of an accomplished gardener looking at a plant in my garden and asking me what it is because they have never seen anything like it before. But it's not worth it for me to have a plant barely hanging on and making the garden look so- so. It's worth the trouble of digging up and storing for winter only if it comes back with a zeal for life and flourishes- and my soul with it. Karen |
I get a bit of a chuckle about the nay sayers, how many of them are out buying raffle tickets, some hit it lucky on occasion, I buy them, and if I'm lucky, I'll probably buy land in Florida,(underwater), However, gardening of any variety is a pastime that keeps you alive and kicking, don't knock it. Casper1 age 70 and enjoying life. |
- Posted by Las_Palmas_Norte Zone8 (My Page) on Wed, Dec 22, 04 at 18:13
Karen, If you're serious about trying something "Tropical" then try, Musa basjoo (Hardy Japanese Banana). With proper mulching I'll be willing to bet you can overwinter this bold plant. Warning: passers-by may suffer from rubber-necking and may lead to neck strain. Cheers, Barrie |
- Posted by BlondBoy47 z6b/7 ON,Canada (My Page) on Sun, Dec 26, 04 at 8:46
Barrie: Again, another great photo that only makes me more envious about people living out west. But on a serious note, do you leave those plants outside during the winter there? And if so, do you protect them and by how much? Secondly, when was this photo taken? Is this a Dec/04 pix? Cheers |
- Posted by Las_Palmas_Norte Zone8 (My Page) on Sun, Dec 26, 04 at 10:42
Yes and no. Yes, these (Musa basjoo) bananas are left outside year round. They're pretty tough plants and will grow back from the roots if left unprotected. They are very fast growers if watered and fertilized well. You can set up a wire framework or cage around the stems and fill them with leaves to mulch. There's a number of stem protection methods gardeners have tried. This year with it being very mild, the bananas still stand at Xmas but look a beat up from the wind. I'm not sure exactly when the pic was taken, perhaps late summer or fall 2004. You should be able to grow these bananas in your 6b/7a area with heavy mulch. Cheers, Barrie (Vancouver Island) |
- Posted by intimidator_3 7a TN (My Page) on Mon, Jan 3, 05 at 10:40
I for one get tired of looking at the same plants growing in front of everyones houses in my area. No one ever seems to have any imagination. Part of the reason that I have become more and more interested in gardening is the challenge to do something different. One thing that I learned about "tropicals" is that many of them may not be foliage hardy, which causes many to treat them as annuals, but they are wood or root hardy. This means that many will come back on their own every year, even if not to the potential they would have in warmer climates. My goal is to grow as many tropicals as I can "in ground". If it means a little protection along the way, so be it. How many of us already dig and store different types of plants for the winter? One thing that I try not to do at all. Many of the common perennials that we grow are die- backs as well, just like many of the tropicals that we can grow Doug |
Musa Basjoos should do excellent in our area. They will grow faster than in B.C. in summer because they thrive in the long hot, humid summers. I want to get a Windmill palm. Is there anyone in zone 6 that has them growing? Cheers, Rick |
- Posted by Bougielover 6aONSW (My Page) on Thu, Jan 27, 05 at 4:03
Rickey, it's great seeing someone else in my zone. I'm new to the forum and would like to know more about growing tropicals In 6a. Have you found local sources (GTA) for the Musa or other hard to find tropicals? I am planning on trying bougies. I know that sounds crazy but I have a theory. The way I see it is, unless I try I will always wonder if... Last summer I planted the Castor Bean and it lasted through to the first really hard frost. My backyard faces S.W. Everyone wanted to know what exotic jungle plant it was... it grew over 6ft tall. That's what got me going. Any tips and suggestions much appreciated. |
Those castor beans will get MUCH taller with weekly fertilizer, such as Miracle Gro, and mix some coffee grounds in the bed where yu plant them. I have had 10 footers in my garden! |
- Posted by Bougielover 6aONSW (My Page) on Thu, Jan 27, 05 at 13:25
Wow! That must have been spectacular! Mine was planted late in the season as we had a late start here in SW. I was infested with the darn leatherjackets and rabbits looking for shelter from new construction in the area and was finishing my new bed. This season I'm planning on doing lots of containers initially in the Spring. We always seem to get very hot, weather in early Spring now and then it rains a lot in the mid summer. The Castor Bean was phenomenal and I will definitely try your suggestion. I actually didn't fertilize much as I wanted it to grow wild as they do in the tropics but I do use Miracle Gro in my garden so it must have gotten some. I notice that you are a guru on tropicals any suggetions for me since I'm a newbie to growing tropicals here. I'm willing to try just about anything outside; I just have to find them first! How fast does the Musa grow if I should plant say a 2 footer in the Spring? I'm sure I can work my soil to keep it outside in the winter. I am not an expert but it does seem that I have many microclimates in my yard. |
Hey Bougielover, are you in the GTA? I'm in Mississauga. I am rather new to this myself LOL, but I have a Musa Basjoo that I bought in October at Humber Nurseries at highway 7 and 27 area, and its in a pot right now. I hope to plant it this spring. Rick |
If you plant just about any Musa in a warm sunny area and fertilize HEAVILY (double strength Miracle Gro and a bit of epsom salts at least once a week, watered in well) that banana should grow to very large proportions indeed during the summer.....anywhere from five to 8 feet, I'd say. You should also try Canna musafolia (the banana-leafed canna) which grows to about 6 to 8 feet easily with large leaves. If you want a good perennial, go for Miscanthus sacchariflorus (aka floridus) which is also known as false sugar cane or false bamboo......this grass forms a slowly expanding clump....anywhere from 6 to 10 feet high. I mix coffee grounds in all my beds every spring. It adds lots of organic composting material to the soil, and the plants love it. Fertilize weekly with miracle gro from spring to the end of July, since the tropical plants LOVE to feed. You should also be able to get clumping bamboos, such as Fargesia which are tough perennials. I order stuff from Tropic to Tropic plants in British Columbia (www.tropic.ca). He's a nice fellow and I am satisfied with his plants and the prices. A company called "Guru Garden" in Quebec is a good source for seeds and plants as well. They have excellent service. So there you go. Most of all......approach your gardening with a sense of fun and adventure........try not to turn it into an exacting science......as many of our fellow gardeners do. You will have failures and successes, but as long as you maintain your sense of playfulness, both you and your plants will end up happy! |
- Posted by Bougielover 6aONSW (My Page) on Fri, Jan 28, 05 at 13:47
Rickey, yes, I'm in the GTA. I know Humber Nurseries - aren't they pricey? I've seen someone on here mentioning that they have seeds for Musa. Can they grow from seeds? and if they do that must be a very long process. Tell me how yours do in the Spring. I'm hoping to get one. Don, thanks for all those great tips. I have noted carefully. I knew that coffee grounds were great and used them before in my compost pile. Unfortunately when mice found the compostor last year I ditched it. Question for you or anyone who can answer please.What is the best placement for the banana? Do they need much space at the base i.e. a bed or just planted in a spot? I plan to use plants at the base if I can to complement the growth habit. I face S.W. and get a lot of sun in the back yard however the yard has a sudden slope at the end for the last 8-10 ft. I have a 4x8 raised bed for veggies on the slope. The rest of the yard has two borders on either side with a mixture of perennials and annuals in summer. Not a big yard but I would like to add my tropicals, and the jungle effect will be good for privacy in the summer. Maybe I should use my raised bed for my tropicals and plant up the base of the slope with other tropicals. Do you think that they would be affected by run off at the bottom of the slope? How can I improve that area for tropicals? It is the end of my property line backing onto the neighbour and I would like to block the view somehow. Oh, I should mention that I found a small asian fruit stand in a mall that sells a few tropicals and they actually had tamarind plants about 6" high for sale ($5.99)including other tropicals like philendron. I plan to return. They are very reasonable and I hope that they'll keep it that way. |
Tamarind seed germinates easily and you can save even more money. |
Awesome. Yes, Humber Nurseries are pricey, but I have only been there once. $108 for a Trachy is rediculous I think. I don't know if they have seeds or not. Rick |
The tropicals like a lot of water, but also well-drained soil. If there is a lot of water runoff from the slope, they will probably be OK during the summer, but anything you try to overwinter there may rot, especially the basjoo - they hate to be wet in the winter. Basjoo, like many bananas, has an amazingly small root system. You can definitely underplant with flowering plants or vines (I've used ornamental sweet potato) for a nice effect without upsetting the banana. You can also put it in a pot, but you will need to watch the watering and repot frequently as it grows. And the pot is likely to blow over if you get much wind. Miracle Grow is definitely your friend with the tropicals. Apply heavily, especially when it is hot out. Have fun!! |
Bougielover, and anyone else, there is a board for all tropicalesque, cold-hardy palm, banana and whatever else enthusiasts, have you been there? I post alot. |
Here is a link that might be useful: Hardy Palm & Subtropical Board
- Posted by Bougielover 6aONSW (My Page) on Sat, Jan 29, 05 at 14:05
Thanks everyone. This is so helpful. I'll certainly check out the site Rickey. I am so excited! This tropical fever is in my bones! I stopped at the Home Depot at 9:30 p.m. last night and lo and behold! They are just bringing in their tropicals and did I have a hard time holding back! They have quite a variety including bananas! I bought 2 and the supplier is Colasanti Farms in the Lake Erie area. Had to check their site because Home Depot unfortunately labels everything only as tropicals and not with true botanical names. Colasanti. www.colasanti.com . I found the banana on the site and they say it Musa! They are only wholesale but they have a listing of many foliage plants they carry. Can someone describe what the young Musa looks like so that I can have an idea if I really do have it. Mine is about 6" high and the leaves are a kind of spring green - not very deep green. The trunk is not red. It's funny how I grew up with bananas all around me but never bothered to find out what the botanical name was! Anyway, if you are near a Home Depot you could save yourself a lot of money as I bought 9 x 4" plants for $33. The most expensive was the Rex Hybrid Begonia at $3.49 ea. I'm ready for the challenge and I'm hoping that when my sister visits in the spring I can get her to bring cuttings of her bougies for me! |
I know! I have it too! LOL. Anyways, a young Musa Basjoo looks like this. The link is to a Musa Basjoo plant that I bought at Humber nurseries back in October I believe. I haven't planted it yet, I plan to this spring. |
Here is a link that might be useful: My Musa Basjoo
- Posted by Bougielover 6aONSW (My Page) on Sat, Jan 29, 05 at 20:44
Awesome! That's it then! I have it! lol. Wow! 2 as a matter of fact. I also bought orange jasmine (Murraya paniculata)aka mock orange; lace aralia, joseph coat and some others. Spring can't come soon enough! |
Wow! I didn't know that you could find Musa Basjoos at Home Depot! Although, many different Bananas look the same, I am no expert. Rick |
- Posted by Bougielover 6aONSW (My Page) on Sat, Jan 29, 05 at 23:30
I checked the website for their supplier - Colasanti Farms and they had one banana plant on their site and it was named as a Musa. Now whether it's a Musa Basjoo that's another thing. I'm coming to understand that there are other species of the Musa.Whatever it is I have a banana plant and I'm happy! lol. |
I see you were on Hardy Palms And More For The Northeast! Awesome! You should check out the Hardy Palm & Subtropical Board too, I made quite a few online friends there. Rick |
- Posted by Bougielover 6aONSW (My Page) on Sun, Jan 30, 05 at 11:09
Hey Rick, yes I actually do listen to advise ...lol... I was impressed with that bamboo tree posted last week by the guy from Niagara. Awesome! I am going to look for bamboos like those. I couldn't find the home page for the other one and that's how I ended up on the Northeast one. |
Oh, ok. The Hardy Palm & Subtropical Board is alot more active than Hardy palms and more for the Northeast. But, I still post there. Are you trying any palms? |
i for one like to try different things in the garden ,, I am afraid that one day i will wake up and the entire country will be planted with Bradford pears and the world will come to an end. not everyone likes roses or those same old boring perrenials ,,,, and no more of those ornamental grasses !! |
This is why! Look ~ Growing in Zone 6, N.J. I could barely contain myself, had to hold on to the tree :). The gentleman grows several Trachys (this one pictured is the small one!), a gigantic Jelly Palm, bananas, gardenias, etc. ~ all in the ground ~ whoa, what a feeling, to see this, to EXPERIENCE this.... in New Jersey! |
To repeat: "What might have gotten lost in my first post was the suggestion that zone-pushing makes the most sense when the results justify the effort." |
Great Trachy... where in New Jersey ? ,,, after all,, it IS the Garden State .... |
Michael, This gorgeous tropical paradise of a yard is in Parsippany ~ and this is the smaller of the 2 trachys. His jelly palm is AWESOME. I'm looking forward to paying him a visit but I'll TRY to hold off until May or June :) |
I live in Burlington, Ontario. My musa basjoo was fantastic this year, after spending its first winter in the ground. Last year it had a single trunk and was about 10 feet tall by September. This year there are about seven trunks and the plant is amost as tall. All I did was cover it under a large pile of leaves and a plastic tarp. It died back to the ground. I wasn't very hopeful when I saw a couple of tiny sprouts in May. But the plant really took off in the summer heat. I have it planted against a southfacing brick wall in semi-sun. Has anyone found a successful method of keeping the stems alive over the winter? The stems of my plant just turned to mush. Rick |
My garden still looks pathetic at best in winter. That doesn't stop me from TRYING to overwinter tropicals outside. I've killed a fair number in my enthusiasm. My solution is to buy them at big-box stores for very little money and consider them future compost come mid-October. I do want to re-try Musa Basjoo, though. It should have overwintered. It didn't. I think I gave it TOO much protection. I want to try a Trachycarpus as well. I'll probably pick up one on a springtime visit to the Sacramento, California area--at a big box store for not much money. |
- Posted by gurley157FS zone 7/8sc (My Page) on Sat, Oct 8, 05 at 7:16
The original post asked our thoughts about if this was a reasonable and productive effort. Some people spend their time and money hanging out at bars, others like to sit like potatoes in front of the TV. I prefer to spend my time and effort playing with dirt and growing things. Sometimes I'm successful and sometimes not. As I tell my husband about this obsession; It's not drugs, booze or other men - it's just plants. |
Ever since I was a kid I dreamed of having my own outdoor paradise. When the term "paradise"is used in reference to the outdoors, it almost always brings to mind tropical vegetation. I love gardening and plants in general, but my tropicalesque gardening is also an escape from every day life for me. Its more than just about "doing what cannot be done" its about creating an alternate reality! My garden reminds me of childhood visits to Disney, later trips to California, Mexico, Brazil, Africa, Puerto Rico, staying with friends in Florida,etc. Whenever I am out in my "jungle" my job disappears, my bills disappear, my problems disappear. Also, when Winter comes, my living room turns into a jungle too. There is nothing like citrus trees, palms, flowers,etc. to help brush away the Winter blues. |
- Posted by arctictropical Z4 (My Page) on Thu, Sep 22, 11 at 15:15
After growing outdoor palms in zone 4 for 20 years, it's definitely worth it. I now have a very slow growing 7 foot mediterannean fan palm with a large thick truck, 16 foot windmill palm that grows like a weed and looks better than most windmills that I see in desert climates, and a 6-7 foot California fan palm that's only been outside 3 years. I don't do anything to the palms but cover them with a styrofoam box with florescent light bulbs during the winter. Once the boxes go on the palms at the end of October, I forget them until spring, and they always look great when the boxes come off in April. Next year I'm planting a Mexican blue hesper palm, and a Pindo palm outside. |
And a zombie thread mysteriously revives. Heck, why not repeat myself for the fourth time: "What might have gotten lost in my first post was the suggestion that zone-pushing makes the most sense when the results justify the effort." If you can wind up a large trunked palm in a cold temperate zone, that's a great end result. If on the other hand you get a few small fronds by the end of the summer as your reward for treating a palm as a die-back perennial, then maybe not. Incidentally, the Chinese fan palm mentioned in my initial post back in 2004 has grown slowly and steadily through various cycles of planting out and returning to the basement for winter in a large tub, to the point that I'm debating whether it's worth it to lug it back inside this winter. I may yet, if there's room in my office at work. |
Ive had 2 Trachys in the ground for 7 years. One is 10 feet the other 8 feet. My Washyis about 10 feet tall and usually puts out 2 or 3 fronds during the winter. I have watched and learned from many people including arctictropicaland I think that he everyone would agree it is a labor of love... |
Here is a link that might be useful: okcpalms
"What might have gotten lost in my first post was the suggestion that zone-pushing makes the most sense when the results justify the effort." Insanity: doing the same thing over and over again and expecting different results. I don't see that this is true of zone pushers- The plants that work stay, the things you've killed a few times you give up on. |
It is the tallest green thing against the wood fence. There is a Rhodie and Sweet Woodruff blending in. |
There may be no interest, but these Live oak "late drop" have survive our 3 nights of -5F, -10F, -5F on Mon- Wed early in zone 6. I will post pics if anyone shows interest. |
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All hardy bulbs need a period of cooling at temperatures between 35ÂşF - 50ÂşF (2C - 10C) to prepare them for later leaf and flower growth. The refrigerator is an ideal place to store them. (keep them away from fruit in the crisper) You haven't said just in what locale you live so I'll assume its not in the sunny south where bulbs are often given a cooling time before sale. 14 - 15 weeks is the period of cooling. If you store them in the refrigerator for more than 3 weeks, subtract 3 weeks from the required cooling time. Many people find a root cellar (coldcellar) is fine and dandy for cooling bulbs. If not there, then a cool part of the basement should be found where they can remain undisturbed but kept moist in soil. In this inactive time they form roots and should be checked weekly. Do not in any way allow the pots to freeze. At the forcing stage, the pots are brought out of their cool environment into warmth and light. This triggers the formation of leaves and flowers. From the time they are removed from the cool they require about 3 to 4 weeks to bloom. To delay bloom, draw them back from the light and give them less water. DO NOT put them into darkness. To hasten bloom give them more light but watch giving them too much water but do keep them moist throughout the forcing period. If starting about now..late September...early October..can be brought to bloom about Christmas. If you plan on cooling a number of bulbs, you might bring only a few to the warmth and prolong the flowering period. After forcing, hardy bulbs cannot be forced again. Some bulbs (daffodils) may be planted in the spring in the garden where, over a span of 2 - 3 years, may bloom again. |
Hyacinths can certainly be planted out in the garden after forcing. They will flower again but the bloom will be airier and less dense than the first year indoors. I have many in my garden which have bloomed for years. |
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Thomas McBroom designed The Links at Crowbush Cove, which is arguably the most difficult PEI golf course. (Brandon Tucker/TravelGolf) |
CHARLOTTETOWN, Prince Edward Island, Canada -- Prince Edward Island is home to a wealth of family-friendly, easy-swinging golf courses.
But that doesn't mean you can't put your golf game to the test. For buddies looking to win some Loonies off of one another the hard way, some golf courses here offer a real test from the tips.
If your golf game is in prime time, see how it fares against Prince Edward Island's toughest golf courses for low-handicappers.
The Links at Crowbush Cove boasts the destination's most spectacular coastal setting. The slanted trees and massive dunes are not-so-subtle signs that the wind can blow strong on the north shore.
With the island's highest slope/rating at 146/74.9, John Daly, Fred Couples, Mark O'Meara, Vijay Singh and Mike Weir have all competed on this Thomas McBroom design.
Not all of the par 5s at Crowbush are easy birdie opportunities, especially the fifth and 11th holes, which measure 605 and 595 yards, respectively. Each requires a long water carry to reach the green. The fifth plays out toward the coast, while the 11th plays from the coast back inland, so one is sure to play into a stiff headwind.
Even the short holes at Crowbush have teeth. The par-3 sixth green is wedged narrowly between water and sand, while the par-3 eighth is 200 yards of carry entirely over water. The 17th, despite playing just 113 yards, is a prickly little devil. Its green is entirely hidden off the tee. And if you don't find the crowned green, you may not find your ball.
The design team of Dr. Michael Hurdzan and Dana Fry (who also designed future U.S. Open host Erin Hills) were called upon in 1999 to create Dundarave Golf Course, a challenging, modern layout to complement the classic Brudenell River Golf Course. They delivered with a layout that features holes framed on each side by forest, as well as huge, red-sand bunkers that make it a little tougher to go up-and-down.
At more than 7,200 yards with a 143/74.4 slope/rating, Dundarave's might is highlighted by what could be the toughest stretch of holes on the island -- Nos. 12-15 -- which consist of three par 4s that are more than 450 yards and a 223-yard par 3 that plays to a pretty small green.
Good putters will relish the fact that Dundarave consistently boasts the island's largest and quickest greens, promising a 10.5 Stimpmeter speed on its scorecard during peak season.
Masters of the uneven lie should press their bets on Prince Edward Island's most up-and-down golf experience, Glasgow Hills Resort & Golf Club. Set on some of the island's hilliest terrain, shots are played up, down and from side-hill lies. As the island's highest course, breezes off the coast can also be a little stronger.
Designed by prolific Canadian architect Les Furber, some holes encourage aggressive play, such the par-5 17th, which begs you to cut off the dogleg for a chance at reaching the steeply elevated green in two shots. Others, such as the par-3 13th that plays 240 yards to a green guarded in front by a stream, demand nothing less than a perfect strike.
Located within the Prince Edward Island National Park, Green Gables Golf Club offers a quiet, forested setting, but it's a real strong test between the trees. Toronto golf course designer and Golden Era legend Stanley Thompson originally designed Green Gables in 1939, and Thomas McBroom revamped the course in 2008.
Thompson's deep and artfully crafted bunkers, many of which were restored by McBroom, steal the show. In many cases, aggressive and long hitters who carry these traps off the tee will be rewarded handsomely with a short approach. The greens range both large and small, but they're always quick, and missing putts from above the hole can open the door to three-putts.
No par 3 plays shorter than 190 yards and three par 4s stretch beyond 450 yards, so there are plenty of chances to swing big. Green Gables closes with back-to-back par 5s, so you can make shots up down the stretch.
The host site of the Golf Channel's Big Break Prince Edward Island, low-handicappers will want to set up base on the island's west side for a round or two at Mill River Golf Course. The Robbie Robinson design winds tightly through mature forest and a mix of lakes and streams that defend fairways and greens. The layout, which boasts a 136/74.5 slope/rating, can stretch as long as 6,885 yards.
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Brandon Tucker is the Managing Editor for Golf Advisor. To date, his golf travels have taken him to over two dozen countries and over 500 golf courses worldwide. While he's played some of the most prestigious courses in the world, Tucker's favorite way to play the game is on a great muni in under three hours. Follow Brandon on Twitter at @BrandonTucker.
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Burrell also believes retailers will need to take charge of the process.
"Without retailer demand for flavor verification, the consumer experience is very inconsistent," he said. "Sometimes they will get great sweet onions and at other times the onions are so hot they'll blow your socks off, and the consumer cannot tell the difference by looking at the onion."
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Sweet Onion Trading Co., Melbourne, Fla., also tests all of their shipments, not just the ones from Peru.
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Newbie here. Quick question. I have about a 7 year old metal door with a Wayne Dalton opener. Metal tracks.
I kind of hear a loudy creaking sound when it gets almost open now. Nothing looks to be binding nor junked up with stuff in the tracks (never been lubricated, nor wheels or wheel axles). So, should I lubricate it all, if so, with what kind of lubricant? Thanks for any advise. |
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- Posted by don_1_2006 (My Page) on Fri, Feb 11, 11 at 11:54
The roller bearings should be lubricated with a light oil or silicone spray. The hinges on the door can also use silicone spray. Don't lubricate the tracks and don't use grease on anything other than the rail for the trolley to slide. The rollers should roll not slide. If you have a chain drive do not lubricate the chain. Doesn't need it. |
Thanks Don. Kind of what I was thinking, but I wanted to hear from someone who wasn't guessing! |
"silicone spray" is not a suitable lubricant for bearings of any type. |
- Posted by don_1_2006 (My Page) on Tue, Feb 15, 11 at 12:13
brickeye you might be interested in this. http://www.nmbtc.com/pdf/engineering/bearing_importance_of_lubrication.pdf |
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Have you ever had someone challenge you? I remember when my high school baseball coach challenged me. I was a junior, and I asked him what it would take for me to play college baseball. He told me, "Adam, you're too small to play in college." My 6'3, 165-pound self could've gone two ways. One, I could've taken it as my coach not believing in me. Two, I could've taken it as him raising the bar and challenging me to gain weight so I'd have a better chance of playing at the next level.
I chose to view it as a challenge.
In ministry, so many times adults lower the bar for students when it comes to serving. I believe that students will rise to the standard we set for them. If we don't give them something significant to do, they will never fully understand what demonstrating God's love to the world is all about. Also, if we don't believe students can put others first through serving, they never will.
At Rock Point in Chattanooga, we want every student that comes through our doors to have the opportunity to serve. We call them "Student Impact Volunteers." These students serve alongside adult volunteers in our Family Ministry environments (middle schoolers can only serve in preschool or children's environments, not middle or high school). We treat Student Impacters the same way we treat adult volunteers. They just have different responsibilities.
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Here's a story of this in action: A while back, a dad and I had a conversations about his teenage son not talking with him unless it was about video games. Last week he shared with me, "You won't believe it! Out of the blue, on the way home from church, my son shared with me something about him serving." The son told his dad about a boy named Dee who was in the classroom he served in. Dee was shy. The son said, "Dad, now I get why they need us every week in Waumba Land (our preschool environment). It's because these kids need us to be consistent. Dee's shy and doesn't talk to anyone. But today he played with me, and I made him laugh! It's because Dee sees me every week."
This is one story of many. Students feel significant when we raise the bar and give them something significant to do. Middle school students' leadership skills are raw and need to be managed. But if we take the time, invest, and empower them, the potential is not only unlimited—it's unstoppable.
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Oops....correction. Dracula's Smile....to go with Dracula's Mistress. :-) Mrs Puff will have to adopt another dragony one. Ginny |
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Ginny, I was on their site planning to place an order. I am still finding my way around it. I didn't see any of the ones you have listed. Maybe they were sold out? I also didn't realize they sold seeds. Ha! Now you're hooked! Marg |
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Thryothorus ludovicianus - the Carolina Wren - is our State Bird here in South Carolina. Its loud, clear song is sometimes written as "tea-kettle, tea-kettle, tea-kettle." The small bird with the big voice sings this three-syllable chord over and over again. They sing each set of chords in bursts of three-to-five repetitions, sometimes adding a final "tea" to close the chorus. How fitting that this "tea-kettle" bird should make its habitat in South Carolina, where Tea is the state hospitality beverage!!! (Listen to the Carolina Wren here.)
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5 comments:
- Laura said...
Quite familiar with this fellow and his kin. They visit my birdfeeder on my deck all the time. Even stay and sing a while {G}
- September 28, 2009 5:10 AM
Hi Denise,
Hope things are well with you!
Thank you for showing us this lovely songbird. I love waking up in the morning to the sound of the birds singing.
Here is a site where you can hear the songs of many birds to help identify them.
Mary Jane - September 28, 2009 1:08 PM
- Steph said...
Very cool!
- September 28, 2009 6:32 PM
- Jason Witt said...
No more unsung heroes of tea. This Carolina Wren is celebrating the superstars of the tea kettle. --Teaternity
- September 28, 2009 10:23 PM
- Southern Touch Catering said...
I do love their sound and what an interesting story
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11 And that's about it, friends. Be cheerful. Keep things in good repair. Keep your spirits up. Think in harmony. Be agreeable. Do all that, and the God of love and peace will be with you for sure. | 11 Finally, brothers, good-by. Aim for perfection, listen to my appeal, be of one mind, live in peace. And the God of love and peace will be with you. |
12 Greet one another with a holy embrace. | 12 Greet one another with a holy kiss. |
13 All the brothers and sisters here say hello. | 13 All the saints send their greetings. |
14 The amazing grace of the Master, Jesus Christ, the extravagant love of God, the intimate friendship of the Holy Spirit, be with all of you. | 14 May the grace of the Lord Jesus Christ, and the love of God, and the fellowship of the Holy Spirit be with you all. |
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Bible Verses About Dating and Relationships
Bible verses related to Dating and Relationships from the King James Version (KJV) by Relevance
2 Corinthians 6:14 - Be ye not unequally yoked together with unbelievers: for what fellowship hath righteousness with unrighteousness? and what communion hath light with darkness?
1 Corinthians 15:33 - Be not deceived: evil communications corrupt good manners.
1 Corinthians 13:4-7 - Charity suffereth long, [and] is kind; charity envieth not; charity vaunteth not itself, is not puffed up, (Read More...)
1 Corinthians 7:1-40 - Now concerning the things whereof ye wrote unto me: [It is] good for a man not to touch a woman. (Read More...)
Genesis 2:18 - And the LORD God said, [It is] not good that the man should be alone; I will make him an help meet for him.
1 Corinthians 6:18 - Flee fornication. Every sin that a man doeth is without the body; but he that committeth fornication sinneth against his own body.
Philippians 1:9-10 - And this I pray, that your love may abound yet more and more in knowledge and [in] all judgment; (Read More...)
1 Corinthians 6:13 - Meats for the belly, and the belly for meats: but God shall destroy both it and them. Now the body [is] not for fornication, but for the Lord; and the Lord for the body.
Song of Solomon 2:7 - I charge you, O ye daughters of Jerusalem, by the roes, and by the hinds of the field, that ye stir not up, nor awake [my] love, till he please.
Proverbs 15:22 - Without counsel purposes are disappointed: but in the multitude of counsellors they are established.
Ecclesiastes 4:9-12 - Two [are] better than one; because they have a good reward for their labour. (Read More...)
Proverbs 4:23 - Keep thy heart with all diligence; for out of it [are] the issues of life.
Genesis 2:24 - Therefore shall a man leave his father and his mother, and shall cleave unto his wife: and they shall be one flesh.
1 Corinthians 7:39 - The wife is bound by the law as long as her husband liveth; but if her husband be dead, she is at liberty to be married to whom she will; only in the Lord.
Ephesians 5:33 - Nevertheless let every one of you in particular so love his wife even as himself; and the wife [see] that she reverence [her] husband.
Psalms 46:5 - God [is] in the midst of her; she shall not be moved: God shall help her, [and that] right early.
Romans 12:1-2 - I beseech you therefore, brethren, by the mercies of God, that ye present your bodies a living sacrifice, holy, acceptable unto God, [which is] your reasonable service. (Read More...)
Job 31:1 - I made a covenant with mine eyes; why then should I think upon a maid?
1 Corinthians 5:9 - I wrote unto you in an epistle not to company with fornicators:
Proverbs 31:10 - Who can find a virtuous woman? for her price [is] far above rubies.
1 Peter 4:8 - And above all things have fervent charity among yourselves: for charity shall cover the multitude of sins.
Matthew 19:5 - And said, For this cause shall a man leave father and mother, and shall cleave to his wife: and they twain shall be one flesh?
Deuteronomy 7:3-4 - Neither shalt thou make marriages with them; thy daughter thou shalt not give unto his son, nor his daughter shalt thou take unto thy son. (Read More...)
1 Timothy 5:1-7 - Rebuke not an elder, but intreat [him] as a father; [and] the younger men as brethren; (Read More...)
Ruth 1:16 - And Ruth said, Intreat me not to leave thee, [or] to return from following after thee: for whither thou goest, I will go; and where thou lodgest, I will lodge: thy people [shall be] my people, and thy God my God:
2 Corinthians 6:15 - And what concord hath Christ with Belial? or what part hath he that believeth with an infidel?
Genesis 2:22 - And the rib, which the LORD God had taken from man, made he a woman, and brought her unto the man.
Romans 10:10 - For with the heart man believeth unto righteousness; and with the mouth confession is made unto salvation.
Romans 12:9-10 - [Let] love be without dissimulation. Abhor that which is evil; cleave to that which is good. (Read More...)
Romans 5:5 - And hope maketh not ashamed; because the love of God is shed abroad in our hearts by the Holy Ghost which is given unto us.
Colossians 2:21 - (Touch not; taste not; handle not;
Ephesians 5:24 - Therefore as the church is subject unto Christ, so [let] the wives [be] to their own husbands in every thing.
Romans 8:1-39 - [There is] therefore now no condemnation to them which are in Christ Jesus, who walk not after the flesh, but after the Spirit. (Read More...)
1 Thessalonians 5:20-22 - Despise not prophesyings. (Read More...)
Song of Solomon 1:1-17 - The song of songs, which [is] Solomon's. (Read More...)
Amos 3:3 - Can two walk together, except they be agreed?
Proverbs 18:24 - A man [that hath] friends must shew himself friendly: and there is a friend [that] sticketh closer than a brother.
Philippians 1:9 - And this I pray, that your love may abound yet more and more in knowledge and [in] all judgment;
1 Timothy 1:15 - This [is] a faithful saying, and worthy of all acceptation, that Christ Jesus came into the world to save sinners; of whom I am chief.
Ephesians 5:19 - Speaking to yourselves in psalms and hymns and spiritual songs, singing and making melody in your heart to the Lord;
John 3:16 - For God so loved the world, that he gave his only begotten Son, that whosoever believeth in him should not perish, but have everlasting life.
Proverbs 10:10 - He that winketh with the eye causeth sorrow: but a prating fool shall fall.
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Allergy tests
What tests should you get
What do the results mean
There are a lot of tests that you need to consider before working out what is wrong with you. The tests that I recommend are the standard medical allergy blood tests, skin tests, gut tests (especially for gluten and celiac) and food challenges.
These tests are detailed in the navigation list on the right-hand side of the screen.
The eClinic has been set up so that you can be walked through the process and you will be given a list of the recommended tests depending on your symptoms and diet.