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The directions on the "Lemon Drop" and "Pink & Sweet" plants I'm considering buying say, "Plant in moist, well-drained soil." But since the other name for these is "Swamp Azalea", I assume that means I can plant them in an area that sometimes has water in it. I'd like to plant several of these near a small seasonal pond that often almost dries up during a hot dry summer. As the water recedes, ferns grow and cover the area where the water was. Next to this ferny area is an additional area that is wet and sort of mushy in the spring, but not visibly under water. It also will have ferns growing naturally, and is where I'd plant the viscosum azaleas. This certainly isn't well drained, but they're swamp azaleas! OK, or not??? Anyone with any experience with these? Thanks!
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Viscusum is the swamp azalea. It grows near water and will withstand seasonal flooding, but not constant water. Weston's Lemon Drop is part viscosum, but not pure R. viscosum so don't assume it will be as tolerant of moist locations as viscosum. Pink and Sweet is NOT part viscosum, but is an arborescens hybrid. R. arborescens can withstand some seasonal moisture also. I would plant both of them on a raised bed so they get good drainage, but not directly in the muck. |
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rhodyman, thank you for the info--just what I was looking for! My main local nursery has them both listed as r. viscosum, so I guess that's why I was confused with the information I'd found when I researched them. In another article (from Fine Gardening), it says these azaleas "thrive in damp soil in full sun", and then further on says, "Light--full shade only". It's difficult to know what's really correct, with so many sources out there, especially when a supposedly reliable one contradicts itself. Anne |
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Serves 4-6 as a side dish
This dish is best served at room temperature. The tumeric and cayenne give the eggplant an enjoyable kick.
1 large eggplant (about 8″ long)
1/2 can diced tomatoes
4 cloves garlic, crushed or minced
4-6 Tbs vegetable oil
1 Tbs dried cilantro (use fresh for garnish if you have it)
1 tsp turmeric
1/8 tsp (or up to 1 tsp) cayenne pepper (mild or death-by-cayenne)
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1. Slice Eggplants lengthwise 1/4 inch thick. Salt liberally on both sides and lay on a cooling rack over a cookie sheet for about an hour. The salt will draw out bitterness. Rinse the salt off of the eggplant and pat dry.
2. Saute crushed garlic in Olive Oil until fragrant in a large, heavy bottomed skillet. Set aside garlic in a small container.
3. Add Vegetable Oil to the skillet and heat on medium-high. Add eggplant and brown, cooking in batches if necessary. The eggplant should be relatively soft when done.
4. Reduce heat and add tomatoes, cilantro, garlic, cayenne, salt, and pepper.
5. Simmer until the Eggplant is very tender.
6. Serve room temperature with Seer Moss (Garlic Yogurt Sauce).
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- A part of a lottery
- Wire drawing
- Draw (terrain), terrain feature similar to a valley (but smaller) formed by two parallel ridges or spurs with low ground in between them
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- Draw (chess), one of the possible outcomes of a chess game (a tie)
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I see that many people apply the equation force equals mass times acceleration to a golf club hitting a golf ball. But isn't this related to torque since this is rotational dynamics going on here?
The follow up question to that would be if a 6'2" golfer swung at 120 mph, would his ball fly farther than a 5'6" golfer swinging at the same speed? All other things being equal, is this correct?
No, the mass and acceleration in "mass times acceleration" is the mass and acceleration of the club. All things being equal, a 120 mph club swung by anybody is a 120 mph club to the ball regardless of the person hitting it. The velocity of the ball is related to how well the momentum of the club is transferred to the ball. However, in order to accelerate the club, a 6'2" person will use less muscle to get the club up to speed compared to the 5'6" person. That is the mechanical advantage of the moment arm that you mention. Hope this helped. Thanks for using NEWTON.
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The situation actually involves both rotational and translational dynamics. Most of the rotation is in the golfer bringing the club up to speed. The "120mph" is the translational speed of the golf club's head, the end of the club.
The club is in contact with the ball for only a short time. Torque from the golfer's hands on the club, during the contact time, has essentially no effect on the ball. The club head collides with the ball. Energy is transferred from the club head to the ball. If most of the club mass were near the handle, you would have to use torque. Since almost all the mass of a driver is in the club's head, using force works just as well. If both golfers' clubs have the same head mass, then they will both send the ball to about the same distance.
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Yes, torque is involved. However, the mass of a golf club is concentrated in its head, so the approximation that linear momentum of the head governs the collision is a reasonable place to start. (If *all* the mass of the club were in the head, you could use either linear or angular momentum and get the same answer. The approximation just ignores the angular momentum and kinetic energy of the shaft.)
The 6'2" and 5'6" golfers would hit the ball the same distance if they both made the club head move at 120 mph, either in the approximation that linear momentum of the head is all you have to consider, or with all other things being equal.
However, all other things are not likely to be equal. The 5'6" golfer's shaft will likely be rotating slightly faster, and will thus have slightly more angular momentum (it depends on how much of the club speed comes from arm motion, and how much from wrist snap). The shaft with the greater angular momentum will transfer more energy and momentum to the ball, assuming the shaft is rigid and all remaining things are equal.
However, all remaining things are not equal, because the 6'2" golfer must use a longer club (or be a gorilla), which will have a greater moment of inertia. At the moment of impact, the ball will try to make the golf club rotate "backwards" about its center of mass, and the club with the larger moment of inertia will rotate less -- all other things being equal.
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Two Prince George's County Men Sentenced to Prison for a Series of Armed Robberies
Participated in Six Robberies Taking Cash and Merchandise
Greenbelt, Maryland - U.S. District Judge Alexander Williams, Jr., sentenced Carlos Rodriguez, age 21, of Hyattsville, Maryland, to 55 months in prison, followed by three years of supervised release today and on February 9, 2011, sentenced co-defendant Paul Lewis, age 30, of Landover, Maryland to 10 years in prison, followed by five years of supervised release, in connection with a series of armed robberies of businesses in Prince George's County. Rodriguez and Lewis previously pleaded guilty to conspiracy to commit armed commercial robbery and Lewis also pleaded guilty to brandishing a firearm during a crime of violence. Judge Williams also ordered Rodriguez and Lewis to pay restitution of $23,556.85 and $22,900.78, respectively.
The sentences were announced by United States Attorney for the District of Maryland Rod J. Rosenstein; Special Agent in Charge Theresa R. Stoop of the Bureau of Alcohol, Tobacco, Firearms and Explosives - Baltimore Field Division; Prince George's County State's Attorney Angela Alsobrooks; and Interim Chief Mark Magaw of the Prince George's County Police Department.
"ATF continues our efforts to put violent criminals behind bars," says ATF Special Agent in Charge Theresa Stoop, "because our goal is to ensure that our law abiding citizens feel safe where they live and work."
According to the defendants' plea agreements, from June 18 through August 3, 2009, Lewis, Rodriguez and co-defendant Kelvin Williams participated in a conspiracy to rob several businesses in the Prince George's County area. In six robberies, one of the conspirators drove to the location while the other two conspirators robbed the store, with the three conspirators splitting the proceeds. The defendants were armed during the robberies, Williams and Lewis with a black revolver and Rodriguez with a BB gun, which resembled a handgun. The defendants used the guns to threaten the store employees and other victims during the robberies.
The defendants robbed: the Ashley Stuart Clothing Store, located at 7001 Martin Luther King Highway in Seat Pleasant, on June 18, 2009, stealing $802.50; the Last Stop Clothing Store, located at 6185 Oxen Hill Road, in Forestville, on June 23, 2009, stealing $400; the Famous Pawnbrokers located at 5405 Annapolis Road, in Bladensburg, on July 2, 2009, stealing $2,460; the Game Stop located at 5706 Silver Hill Road in District Heights, on July 20, 2009, stealing $5,647.30 in business proceeds, along with two PlayStation 3 (PS3) games consoles and 36 PS3 games.
On July 27, 2009, Williams alone robbed the Game Stop in Forestville, taking $2,740.98 and four PlayStation 3 (PS3) game consoles and a PS3 game.
In addition, on August 1, 2009, the defendants robbed Penn Mar Liquors, located at 3022 Donnell Drive in Forestville, stealing $850; and on August 3, 2009, the defendants robbed the Famous Pawnbrokers located at 7511 Landover Road in Landover, stealing $10,000. A witness saw two masked men running out of the Famous Pawnbrokers and followed the vehicle while calling the police. Prince George's County Police Department followed the car to Lewis' home in the 1600 block of Roosevelt Avenue. Lewis and Rodriguez were arrested as they got out of the car, but Williams ran away.
On August 3, 2009, Williams' girlfriend contacted police and reported that her red Pontiac Sunfire, which had been used in the last robbery, had been stolen. Officers arrived at the hotel room where Williams' girlfriend had been staying and discovered, among other things, latex gloves, PS3 games, PS3 Console, PS3 accessories and men's clothes.
On August 6, 2009, police executed a search warrant at the residence of Williams' parents, in Seat Pleasant, and seized a black and white scarf (identified as worn as a mask during the July 20 and July 27 robberies described above), ammunition for a .357 Magnum and a .40 caliber Smith & Wesson, three PS3 games, and one box containing a PSP game station. A search warrant was executed the same day at a hotel where Williams was staying. Williams was arrested and law enforcement recovered: approximately $4,701, 133.6 grams of marijuana, 18.4 grams of crack cocaine and 2.4 grams of ecstasy. From Williams' backpack officers recovered a Charter Arms, Model Bull Dog, .357 Magnum caliber revolver, that matched the description of the gun used in the robberies.
Kelvin Williams, age 44 of Seat Pleasant, Maryland, pleaded guilty to conspiracy to commit armed commercial robbery and to brandishing a firearm during a crime of violence. He is scheduled to be sentenced on April 11, 2011.
United States Attorney Rod J. Rosenstein commended the ATF, Prince Georges County Police and the Prince George's County State's Attorney's Office for their work in this investigation and prosecution. Mr. Rosenstein thanked Assistant United States Attorney Stacy Dawson Belf, who prosecuted the case, and Prince George's County Assistant State's Attorney Christine Murphy, who assisted in the prosecution.


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First, let me say that I have had some really great trades on here. I've "met" some really nice people and gotten tons of seeds for my garden. I've sent out my share as well.
But what gets to me are the people who respond to your wants/haves and never follow-up. It's especially tiresome when it's a certain seed that you've been trying to get your hands on. And another thing...When you buy seeds, and they say the pack contains 50 seeds, but you know just looking at it there's no way that's 50 seeds. So you count them. 22 seeds. TWENTY-TWO seeds in a pack that was supposed to contain 50. Now why can't their quality control be better than that? There is a plus to all this though. I purchased the "Cherry Brandy" Rudbeckia from T&M this fall. The package says it contains an average of 50 seeds. I counted mine. I was curious. 141 seeds. WOOT! So why can't other places fix the problem? And why don't people respond after exclaiming that they have/want what you need/have? I know life happens, but come on. That's what grinds my gears. Thanks for letting me rant. |
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machine packing can be very inconsistent, especially if the seed is very small, very light, or oddly shaped. it is usually done by the weight of the amount of seeds per pkt. sometimes even .01 of a gram discrepancy makes a huge difference in seed count; again, especially if the seed is tiny/light. sometimes the machine doesn't seal the package properly, also, leading to seed loss. then there is human error factor! if shorted, i would complain to the company. most will gladly send out another pkt. i'm also irritated by people not following up on trades. what's up with that? if you changed your mind, just say so! |
forgot a major peeve--no dates on trade pages! AND, although i understand why people do this--seeing the word OUT next to items on 'seeds I have' lists. if you use the search member lists function like i do, it's quite annoying to have, for example, 12 members who list the item you're looking for, only to have it say OUT on half of them. (and no date on the other half!) that's like showing me brownies and not offering me any!! boo hoo. |
- Posted by token28001 zone7 NC (My Page) on Sat, Dec 20, 08 at 13:45
I agree jaynine. There are only a handful of members that have a seed I'm looking for. I don't recognize their names and some haven't updated their list in months. With trading mostly done for me, mine isn't exactly up to date either. And I do have some plants listed as Unavailable, but others are being rooted at the moment. I'll have them again in the spring. :) But with seed, yeah, it's kind of odd I think. Do people get bothered by cold calling for seed trades? I've had a couple, but it's not a problem. If I have them and they want to SASBE, I'm fine with that. |
i think every one should put on there page if the welcome cold e-mails or not. i had cold e-mails welcome on my page but i got so many e-mails just about all were asking for free seeds. it got to crazy for me. lots of them i did a serch on had no post in GW. made me wonder how many people sign up at gw just so they could e-mail for free seeds. n not care about the forum at all. i had to put cold e-mails welcome for trades. n so far so good. i dont mind giving seeds but if i had a grinds my gears its people who sign up just to e-mail members wanting a feebee. or spam lol ive had that before too. |
- Posted by poisondartfrog 7 (My Page) on Sat, Dec 20, 08 at 17:12
I dislike the "outs" on seed exchange lists-almost as much as I dislike the want lists that list seeds as received. If you are out, you don't have it so take it off there. If you wanted it and received it and don't want it any more, don't put received! Just take it off the list. Not only does that make lists darned hard to read, it plays havoc with a search. I don't mind cold emails that are offers for trades. I am less receptive to cold emails that simply request that I send them the seeds. I send out a lot of seeds to newbies but that approach dampens my enthusiasm. |
- Posted by littleonefb z5MA (My Page) on Sat, Dec 20, 08 at 17:14
My pet peeves are these. Offering SASBE and listing the info in the offer and people not doing what was simply asked. Posting on the thread even if you are going to e-mail me. Always including your GW name with the e-mail. my e-mail never shows the GW name even if it comes from GW. Second one. Offering SASBE, confirming SASBE is coming and providing all the info. Holding the seeds aside and the mailer never comes. My first offer for SASBE in Nov. ended up having me holding seeds for more than 25 people and never got the mailers. Oh, the seed count numbers that's another one. But here's an interesting fact with Burpee seeds. I've bought them in Burpee packets at Kmart. Great place to buy the seeds, they always have them for 40% off the burpee price marked on the packet. Anyways, a few years ago I was curious to see how many seeds came in the packet from the store versus buying the packets directly from Burpee catalogs on line or ordering in the mail. What a shock to find that every packet I purchased from the store had at least twice as many seeds in them, many times triple the number than the on line or paper catalog said was in the packet. Fran |
- Posted by token28001 zone7 NC (My Page) on Sat, Dec 20, 08 at 17:35
I've always gotten more seeds from Burpee than they claim, even for veggies. But I was shocked at the Rudbeckia considering it's a new plant this year. It was supposed to be 50 seeds, 141. I've already sent 25 to someone. I'm waiting on a response from someone else before sending the other 25 I'm willing to share. I really want that red bee balm and I will NOT purchase any more seed this year. No way. - only if I don't get the trade. |
Fran, Just curious--were the Kmart packets cheaper than buying directly from Burpee? |
oops, didn't read your post very attentively, did i? duh! |
I dont mind the envy's that dont get sent or emails that dont get followed up on, I just assume loss of interest. Its happened to me when I cant figure out what trade I want to do or maybe its too many different types and Im disorganized or discombobulated or something, I have let the email thing go on occassion, so I get it. I can deal with the "out's" and the "received's", no problem. Id like to see more white space on trade lists to make it easier to read. I KNOW Im not the only one in the group with bifocals. I guess the young-uns cant relate to that kind of vision situation, so it doesnt make me mad or anything, I just might not read their lists! I understand the colored backgrounds and everything, as I studied web page design and relate to the fun of making the designs. It does make it harder to read tho, so again, no gear grinding or anything, but definite list avoiding. But I REEEEEEEEEEEALLLY dont like it when I send a package and the person doesnt acknowledge receiving it. PET PEEVE there, I dont let it get bad enough for gear grinding or anything, but it does get peeps to the "consider to avoid trading with" kinda list if Im in a certain mood. |
- Posted by pufftrinket 5MI (My Page) on Sat, Dec 20, 08 at 19:16
Guilty! I am a brand new trader. I have let at least one SASBE offer lapse because I got disorganized when my computer went down. I now know this was bad. I will put the date on my trade page as soon as I can do so. I am glad to read all these comments, because it should help me be a better trader. I'm pretty excited about the possibility of this new hobby. |
- Posted by token28001 zone7 NC (My Page) on Sat, Dec 20, 08 at 20:53
Id like to see more white space on trade lists to make it easier to read. Well if you remove all your seeds and plants, there's plenty of white space. :) There's something up with GW. I want my lists double spaced, especially in the fall when I really do a lot of trading. It helps me and I don't even wear glasses, no matter what I do, GW keeps taking the spaces out. I think I need to learn more HTML. |
I want my lists double spaced... Type this between every listing: (br) and replace the () with the pointier versions over the comma and period keys. Seems like a lot of work, but if you want double spaced lines that will do it. Jeanne |
- Posted by token28001 zone7 NC (My Page) on Sun, Dec 21, 08 at 20:49
Thanks Jeanne. Agirlsgirl sent me an email this morning with that advice. I'll be sure to use it when I update my list next month after wintersowing. :) |
- Posted by littleonefb z5MA (My Page) on Mon, Dec 22, 08 at 0:45
Jaynine, Not only where the burpee packets cheaper in Kmart, but they all had more seeds in them than was listed on the burpee on line catalogue. The seed packets in Kmart are pure Burpee seed packets, unlike many of the sed packets at Walmart that say "walmart/burpee" on them. The seed packets of Burpee seeds purchased at Kmart have always been 40% off the price on the packet. Examples: Oriental vegetable snow pea called snow bird. Burpee packet from Kmart packet price $1.79 - 40% = $1.07 Seed amount 325 seeds Burpee on line price $2.95 Seed amount 225 seeds Kmart burpee seed packet price $1.70 - 40% = $1.07 Burpee on line packet price $2.95 ______________________________________________________________________ __ kmart cucumber purpee pickler $1.79 - 40% = $1.07 Burpee on line price $2.95 ______________________________________________________________________ __ kmart cucumber straight eight $1.79 - 40% = $1.07 Burpee on line price $2.95 ______________________________________________________________________ ___ kmart burpee's golden zucchini $1.70 -40% - $1..07 Burpee on line price $3.25 ______________________________________________________________________ _ Kmart nasturtium jewel mix $1.79 - 40% = $1.07 Burpee on line price $2.95 Always been the same, seed count is double triple and more than the packets on line and the price that burpee prints on the package is far less than in their catalog. Never mind the higher price on line or paper catalog, but there is also the shipping charges to pay. The only catch to buying in the store is you don't always have the full selection in the stores as in the catalog. One other thing, don't know if Kmart will continue with the 40% off all seed packets this year. With the economy the way it is, we can only wait and check. Fran |
You know what 'grinds my gears'? Too much to say right now, though those things mentioned above seldom bother me much, and also must admit that I have been guilty probably more then once of not responding to an email after posting to a thread. My excuse?...life got in the way at the time, and please don't take it personally. Chances are I have your email buried somewhere back in the back pages and still might reply or apologize sometime later yet. I am much more bothered by no email links on Member Pages, though realize that those new to the exchange quite innocently aren't aware of it. I also dislike members not having their location (state abbreviation) in the box along with their garden zone, or worse yet, no zone at all. See I am zone 5/6 S IN Just my 2 cents...........☻ Sue |
When people are offended that they have to send postage for their Newbie Seed Packs. Yes, it has happened. They want the seeds AND they want me to pay for it. |
- Posted by token28001 zone7 NC (My Page) on Mon, Dec 22, 08 at 10:45
Sue, I understand that life gets in the way. I have a lot more free time than most people here I'm sure. But it's not too hard to send an email if you contacted someone about a trade. What gets me is when someone responds, but doesn't email me directly. It's even worse when the email they have in their profile is dead or they don't allow it to show up in their profile. You play ring around the rosie for a week and then you just lose interest. Blah. |
Jeanne! Thank you for explaining that in an understandable way! I knew the answer but wasnt sure how to explain it in a way that people would understand! :)☻ |
- Posted by alwaysagarden CA 8 (My Page) on Tue, Dec 23, 08 at 1:57
What do you do when you have been playing ring around the rosie with a seed trade that you've been waiting for 7 1/2 weeks on, and the gardener is pretty popular and well liked? You keep emailing her and she finally responds with a promise to send the trade, but nothing comes! I'm 3 months on the GW and I just don't know how to deal with this person anymore. Cindy |
- Posted by rosepedal Four seasons NE WI Z (email@example.com) on Tue, Dec 23, 08 at 7:31
I have a feeling I know who you are talking about and I would suggest just move on to someone else. Sometimes that is just the best to do. Less Headaches...LOL |
Hey Cindy, have you sent your end of the trade? If not I would call the whole trade off. To me, 7 1/2 weeks is an unreasonable amount of time unless they are having problems that are keeping them from completing the trade and if that's the case they should let you know what's going on. I have had trades and SASBE offers in the past where I do not hear from someone and months later find out that they had a death in the family or have been sick in the hospital. So back to the question "What grinds my gears". 1. People who obviously do not read your requirements and just scroll to the bottom of the offer asking for seed. 2. People who respond to so many free seed offers and trades that they can't keep up with them. My advise is start out with just a few trades or offers first and after those are completed then do some more. 3. Ignorant postal workers. I didn't call them stupid, just ignorant. There is a difference. And I'm not talking about all of them, just a select few I have had encounters with. I could go on but I'm going to stop for now. jim_6b |
- Posted by rosepedal Four seasons NE WI Z (firstname.lastname@example.com) on Tue, Dec 23, 08 at 9:14
Fran I forgot to mention Thank you for your time on the research. That is valuable infromation...Barb |
- Posted by token28001 zone7 NC (My Page) on Tue, Dec 23, 08 at 10:00
Ignorant postal workers. I didn't call them stupid, just ignorant. There is a difference. And I'm not talking about all of them, just a select few I have had encounters with. I could go on but I'm going to stop for now. I had a fun encounter this week. I'm hosting a seed swap right now and the packages are starting to arrive. One package was mailed at the post office with a sticker indicating the amount paid. It was put on there by the post office where it was sent. When it arrived here, I had to pay 35 cents extra for postage. Now, can someone tell me WHY that happens? I mean really, is it too hard to have consistent rules across the board and educate your employees about what is a large envelope and what is a parcel? Come on USPS. Get with it. /gears have been ground. |
One package was mailed at the post office with a sticker indicating the amount paid. It was put on there by the post office where it was sent. When it arrived here, I had to pay 35 cents extra for postage. Now, can someone tell me WHY that happens? Because there are clearly some employees who know what they are doing and other employees that are proving that some employees don't know what they are doing. I have had the same thing happen, sorry to say, and of course disputed it rather than paying it. I won of course, since my PO folks are the bestest. They don't however question each and every additional postage due stamp other PO workers across the country place on envies. Ok, y'all got me started. I had 2 envies returned to me for an additional 16 cents postage on each of them. I mailed one day and they were back in my box the next. I'm heading to town today on other have to errands, and will be stopping by the PO with the 2 BE and have them weighed, and dealt with. Either my scale is off, or there is a scale somewhere that is off, or some employee somewhere is guesstimating the weight without using a scale. Both envies weigh .8 OZ on my scale. If indeed my postage was correct, I'm going to ask for a signed statement, saying so...just a little more ammo for the Post Master General once get a goodie package ready for him. I'll check back in here later today to let you know what they actually weighed. I suspect the problem was not at my local PO, but instead, down at Louisville. Anyway, I'll report my findings later. Sue...startin to twitch a bit again this AM |
- Posted by token28001 zone7 NC (My Page) on Tue, Dec 23, 08 at 11:48
Sue...startin to twitch a bit again this AM I almost emailed you about this one. My post office was the one that charged the extra amount. Apparently I'm now on their list. There have been several in this swap that needed more money. All told, it's been less than a dollar, but still, 4 42 cent stamps should have been enough for all of them. I weighed them and my scale matches the PO here. They're charging us for parcels, not large envelopes. |
They're charging us for parcels, not large envelopes. Are they for sure under the 3/4" requirement? Are the contents taped in place, so they don't shift and make it go over the 3/4" requirement? 4 42 cent stamps (1.88) would have covered a 7 OZ Large Envelope, or a 5 OZ Parcel. So are you saying you put 4 stamps on it, and there was postage due when it was received on the other end? Or...other members put 4 stamps on envies and 'you' had to put additional postage on it when it was received?...or other members put 4 stamps on envies and other members had postage due when they were received? Why do you think it is 'your' PO? I was thinking that you had gotten your PO on board. If you had postage due on envies coming into you, it wasn't really your Po's fault. They cannot be responsible and be expected to and recheck' what every one else has charged or stamped on BE. Postal scale-Ebay-bid is at $11.51-Free shipping with 1 hour 50 minutes left Postal scale-Ebay-bid is at $10.49-Free Shipping, with 3 hours left Postal scale-Ebay-bid is at $.06-Free Shipping with 4 hours and 20 minutes left. If anyone is interested and misses out on these, there are other great buys. Just Pounds and Ounces is the seller. Just watch what he has listed for auction...not his store listings. He also has some good prices on bubblies. One needs to price compare the 'per envelope cost' and the envy size to get the best deal. Sue....TWITCHIN BAD NOW and heading to town |
- Posted by alwaysagarden CA 8 (My Page) on Tue, Dec 23, 08 at 13:14
Hey Jim, yes I sent my trade to her over 7 weeks ago. Rosepedal, I'll email her one last time the coming weekend. If I don't hear from her and there are no seeds sent by Jan. then stick a fork in me because I'm done with her. Well I'm off to do some baking and preparing gifts. Will take me all day, but I love it! Wishing everyone a very MERRY CHRISTMAS! Cindy : ) |
If I don't hear from her and there are no seeds sent by Jan. then stick a fork in me because I'm done with her. I do hope that you will consider doing a negative, but nice, review on her stating the facts. After our discussion about 'said' member, I thought it was going to work out. I do so hope that she comes through. Even with the heavy holiday mail, you 'should' see the seeds by Jan, I would think. Sue |
- Posted by token28001 zone7 NC (My Page) on Tue, Dec 23, 08 at 13:51
Sue, I just thought it was my post office since the sending office was the one that put the original label on it. And I have had a couple with 4 stamps that required a few extra cents, but these were larger than 9x12 envelopes. From usps.com - No more than 12 inches high by 15 inches long by 3/4 inches thick is considered a large envelope. They were claiming it was 8 ounces when it was 7. |
- Posted by token28001 zone7 NC (My Page) on Tue, Dec 23, 08 at 13:55
Here's a screenshot of the rates. I intend to print it out and tape it to the envelopes I mail back for the Post Offices that seem to have problems knowing their own regulations. |
geeze seems we all seem to be having some problems, LOL mine, not so much, i want those scales!! bwaaaahhhhh!! LOL i know a really great friend who is having problems with a gw member who used to be a really good trader. now, we're just not to sure anymore. i would have to agree on what grinds my gears, 1) people who don't follow thru on trades 2) people who don't follow thru on sasbe's 3) people who on threads just have to be in there to hear themselves speak, so they talk just to be talkng and causing ruckus to be causing it. 4)right now, its tabor not finishing his school work :'( ohhh ya, wait, LOL its just people who have to always be right even when they know they are wrong, that just drives me up the wall!! ya just want to reach thru here and smack them good!! give em a good christian smack of goodness!! **big grinn** then maybe they'd be have for a bit, ya know?? yep, i'll change that on my trade page, i NEVER thought of that out, its kinda like waiting for the last piece of pizza in the morning and when you get up, the kids ate it, man!! or that awesome cheesecake that no one can make, but you have to go somewhere special to get!! LOL and they no longer make it. ***sigh*** ~Medo |
Here is a link that might be useful: Barehanded Totally Nutso Gardener!! **Big Grinn**
- Posted by token28001 zone7 NC (My Page) on Tue, Dec 23, 08 at 17:17
I'm sorry medontdo, but you're wrong. :) I may not always be right, but I'm never wrong. ;) |
I just thought it was my post office since the sending office was the one that put the original label on it. toke, I'm not positive, but I think it can get stamped by workers anywhere along the way. My substitute carrier even stamped one (one time now mind ya before it got addressed) with postage due on an envie I had put in my box to go out. He was of the thinking that all BE were parcels, and took it upon himself to stamp it instead of it going into the PO and the clerks sorting the mail and making such a determination. When I discussed it with my postmaster, he got the sub on board, and everything was cool. Ok...reporting in on what I had said above yesterday before heading to town. Sue |
People who think they know everything really bother us who actually do. Merry Christmas! Jim |
- Posted by token28001 zone7 NC (My Page) on Wed, Dec 24, 08 at 9:31
Jim, I feel the same way. It's good to be king. :) Sue, you are on top of this. From now on, I'm going to be taking mine to the PO before I open them if the weight for the postage is correct. A few cents here or there from millions of people can be a huge profit for the PO. I already pay enough in taxes. If I wanted to get ripped off mailing these things, I'd use FedEx. |
Thankfully, my carrier knows the proper postages, and all three POs here in Edmond seem to know. I've not had any problems, but if someone receives BE from me and it's marked extra postage, I'd want to know! I have a scale too, bought from Just Pounds and Sense like Sue's. Got is for a total of $18.. the scale for $.96 and the postage! Watch their auctions! And they mail out very promptly and it's very well packaged! I'm hoping I'm not behind on any trades. There's one that I know I'm behind on, but we agreed to wait til after the holidays. There's another Secret Santa one that I'm mailing out, but she also knows it's coming after the holidays since I was waiting for something in particular to come in from a seed order that I really wanted to share with her :) Between holiday work schedule and never managing to get off work on time lately... I work at Wal~Mart in the Lawn and Garden center... which right now is the "Christmas Shop" and one of the busiest departments in the store... add to that I'm a cashier and you see how late I've been getting off and how exhausted I am when I do! As far as I can remember or find in my email folders, I've only got the one trade in progress, but if anyone knows of one I'm behind on, PLEASE remind me! Between work and home and Christmas shopping and our brand new 2008 van being in the shop for the 6th time for brakes (twice now while we're waiting on arbitration on the Lemon Law claim we made) I'm somewhat braindead! Aside from those two that I need to mail out, I've confined myself for the most part to Round Robins... the one with Token I've already mailed and the "What's Left", MNF and Birthday Extravaganza are all due after the holiday once life starts getting back to normal, I think :P I do know, though, that the package can be marked postage due anywhere along the path to get from A to B. My DH is a rural carrier and it makes him angry that so many try to overcharge. You'd think that something done federally, though still a "private" business, would be able to hold standards across the board. It would really be nice if they realized that a BE that fits the requirements isn't a parcel. It's really annoying when someone has taken the time to go to the PO and get a metered postage tape put on and someone else along the way decides that the sending PO was wrong. Really speaks badly to the state of our postal service. Being on the "inside" I realize how messed up it is sometimes, but sheesh! You'd think that they could keep that a "family" secret and present a united front to the rest of the world, wouldn't you? MERRY CHRISTMAS everyone!!!!! Or Happy Holiday, whichever you choose to hold dear! :) Kathy |
Not exactly gear griding, but a little annoying. I wish that no-one would be afraid to post factual information on an R&R when a trade goes bad. It make me sad when people feel they need to make a post to ask permission to complain about somebody. It doesnt matter how "popular" somebody is, if youre getting blown off on a trde, you should feel free to post the particulars. |
- Posted by alwaysagarden CA 8 (My Page) on Wed, Dec 24, 08 at 13:20
dorisl, I agree with you 100%! Cindy |
no doubt!! even if its me!! hmmmm.....i surely hope i'm caught up! LOL i'm not always right, but i tell ya, i don't mind apologizing and i don't mind being wrong, but i do mind people who can't say the simple words " i apologize" what's so hard about that? my step father is that way, you could pull all of his toe nails and i bet he'd still never apologize for something he done wrong even if he knew he was in the wrong. just drives me nuts!! ~Medo |
Here is a link that might be useful: Barehanded Totally Nutso Gardener!! **Big Grinn**
- Posted by dirtdiggin 8b (My Page) on Sun, Dec 28, 08 at 14:46
I have to admit, I was probably one of those newbies that didn't follow through with a SASBE. After joining, I figured I didn't need the free seeds as I had been trading and received many very generous trades and figured they should be saved for those without seeds and only starting out. When I first started, I lost contact info and only documented mailing info (without user ID's or email addresses :o/) I'm not sure if I followed through with the few SASBE's that I responded to, but I know I sent several. Quite honestly, I'm not sure who I sent SASBE's to and who I didn't...or if I actually sent all two or three. When filling my trades, I wanted to make sure that I followed through with the actual trades, thinking those were more critical. I didn't realize (of course now I do) that this was a problem. I can certainly see the frustration now and I feel bad that I may have caused anyone frustration. I apologize to anyone that I let down on the SASBE...not sure if it was you Fran or who it was, but I'm very sorry. |
- Posted by heavenlyfarm 6 (My Page) on Sun, Dec 28, 08 at 18:08
It annoys me when you've settled on a trade and then they suddenly stop responding after you send their trade to them. A long time ago, I can't remember the username, when I was just starting out with seed collecting, I sent someone a trade and after about two weeks I e-mailed them asking if they recieved mine and sent theirs. I got a nice response filled with obscene comments, making sexual comments about my mother and telling me to F-off now that they got my seeds. I was stunned!! Needless to say I reported them and blocked their e-mail address. The fact that someone could be so rude shocked me. It's one thing to be a bad trader but this person was a bad person...I mean it was about seeds...thankfully I have had many nice trades with nice people and have not experienced that once more. |
Yes, heavenlyfarm, there has been a handful of real doozies join up here over the years. Thankfully they are really far and few between. btw...did you know you don't have an email link or a location listed on your member page? Sue...resident busy body |
- Posted by token28001 zone7 NC (My Page) on Sun, Dec 28, 08 at 20:05
I'm finally getting my Red been balm. I can unclench now. |
- Posted by dirtdiggin 8b (My Page) on Sun, Dec 28, 08 at 22:40
heavenlyfarm & chemocurl - Have three now that have taken many packages of seeds from me without sending. Two of them are either the same person or know each other. Way too much similar and very close in location...the second trader having a PO Box. Makes me angry that I fell for it :o/ Not sure how long I'll wait to post on the R&R forum, just in case I'm wrong but it really doesn't matter, he'll just sign up with a different nick to try to get free seeds from me again or mess someone else over. |
Not sure how long I'll wait to post on the R&R forum Suggestion...when you post, if you are starting a new review thread, include the city and state in the subject line, along with the member name. On a recent scammer, I recently even posted their 'wish' list so folks would better recognize them if/when they returned with a new name and were looking for the same things. Ya know, I'd be afraid to scam folks out of seeds, plants and postage. I'd be afraid someone would show up on my doorstep confronting me. Scammers must not be concerned about such things ever happening. Sue...rbb |
Not sure how long I'll wait to post on the R&R forum Aw for the love of compost, GET YER BUTT OVER THERE AND MAKE A POST!!!!! YES IM YELLING!!! Every one of us needs to make a new years resolution that if you want to come here and post about a trade, skip that step do not pass go do not collect $200, just go and post the particulars to the review thread. *deep breath* Maybe Emily made the coffee to strong after all this morning.... |
GET YER BUTT OVER THERE AND MAKE A POST!!!!! YES IM YELLING!!! Doris, Doris, settle down. She has already posted about 2 of them, and I guess is still giving the 3rd one a chance to come though. Maybe Emily made the coffee to strong after all this morning.... Sue...off for more coffee laced with lotsa sugar and Creamy Chocolate creamer....mmmm...like warm moist chocolate candy. |
Doris and Sue, LOL!!!! Dirtdiggin, |
- Posted by dirtdiggin 8b NW WA (My Page) on Tue, Dec 30, 08 at 0:23
Awww bless your heart Remy :) Thank you for your offer. I'm in a number of RR trades and appreciate the offer, but maybe I'll check out your trade page when all is over :) HEHE I just might email ya in a week or so :) lol. Thanks for all the help and Yes! I did post neg R&R on two of them and am awaiting the third and will post neg R&R if he doesn't follow through! I've contacted each one...multiple times. No excuse for their lack of follow through. No reason to say they didn't have any way to contact me. I'm certainly not afraid to post neg R&R...just don't want to be off base with my assumptions. |
- Posted by heavenlyfarm (My Page) on Tue, Dec 30, 08 at 8:42
chemogirl, I use to be plantsofheaven until one day it wouldn't let me log-in which i e-mailed gardenweb but never recieved a response and my e-mail was getting over a 1000 a day of spam so I started a new one. Everytime I do try to change the e-mail and location thing when I click the button to save the changes, it takes me back to the log-in page and it starts it over. I e-mailed gardenweb again and I hope to get a response back. ~mike |
- Posted by heavenlyfarm (My Page) on Tue, Dec 30, 08 at 9:08
chemocurl not chemogirl..sorry ~mike |
chemocurl not chemogirl..sorry No problem, Mike. Feel free to call me Sue when replying, which is a lot easier to type (see rant above). 9+ times out of 10, a real first name is easier to remember than a member name is when addressing someone in a thread. Sue is easier than chemocurl. Mike is easier than heavenlyfarm. It's always nice to put a gender to the member also. I almost always assume a member is a female, until I somehow find out otherwise...like in your case, Mike. Thanks for the name change explanation. If you continue to have problems updating, and don't hear back from GW, feel free to email me, and I'll see if I can work my magic. Often I think, it is just a browser problem with the member. I use Firefox, and have often been able to get folks updated when they could not get it done themselves. I'm never really sure what their problem was. Sue...who is bettin she could get you updated |
Hehe, as long as we're complaining, here are some of my complaints... - I too find it really annoying to look up someone's trade list, plow through this really long list, only to discover that 3/4 of what's on their list is OUT. Guess it's a status symbol to have a really long list, even if you don't currently have the seeds to trade. (????) - I enjoy sharing seeds and plan to do a SASBE offer again this winter. I am happy to share my time and seeds, that I have purchased, or collected and cleaned, and meticulously stored, but refuse to pay for postage or materials. (Which is only a couple of dollars, people.) - Dorisl, I haven't experienced any terrible trades or SASBEs here, but I hear ya on the negative feedback problem. Sounds like eBay! Nobody will post negative feedbacks over there for risk of retaliation and thus having negative feedback on THEIR rating. Also, if you buy some seeds, a toner cartridge, etc. it will be months or years before you know if you've gotten what you paid for. By that time, it's too late to leave negative feedback! - This is just my personal pet peeve, but being a private person, I do not use my real name on Gardenweb or other public websites. And I remember peoples' GW names only. There are too many posters here to keep track of, let alone TWO names for each. And in some cases, there is more than one 'Karen' or 'Sue' or 'Mary' or other very common name posting to the same thread. |
Dirtdiggin, No time limit, the offer is there is you want it : ) If you don't find your tomatoes,just so you know I have many and not all are listed on my page. Remy |
- Posted by dirtdiggin 8b NW WA (My Page) on Tue, Dec 30, 08 at 21:17
Thank you so much Remy :) I'll take you up on it as soon as some of these swaps are over. If you are interested in anything on my trade page, let me know and I'll set them aside for you :) You'll never guess what arrived today in the mail box?? Seems like someone didn't care for the heat. One lone pack of Maple Seeds. No note, no sorry, no KMA no nothing. Didn't even put his name on the envelope. So how would you update the R&R? |
let him ASK you to update he R&R, as far as you know, santa sent you the seeds..... |
- Posted by dirtdiggin 8b NW WA (My Page) on Wed, Dec 31, 08 at 11:04
Oh dorisl I went ahead and posted it with a little help :) Hopefully it will help him change his technique if he decides to continue trading. Just stated the facts :) |
sometimes "just the facts" are more damning than the most heated accusation... :) |
So I did a little umm research and realized that I have sent him some seeds too. Not even a thank you but due to the nature or "spirit" of the swap, I didn't even realize it. I'll know better in the next swap. |
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Great! I cooked broccoli for 3 1/2 min, then plunged it into cold water. Removed bacon fat from skillet, then deglazed with the vinegar but did not concentrate. Dressing was the vinegar from the skillet plus some mayo, some olive oil and about a tsp of sugar.
As many other cooks, I changed alot things, mostly based on the other reviews. This salad was just okay. I kept the broccoli and onions raw, used the mayo version (with honey) suggested by other reviewers, and added golden raisins, garbanzo beans, pecans and only 4 slices of bacon. My kids prefer broccoli raw, but I found that it needed to be chopped to bite size to not overwhelm. The mayo honey dressing was bland and a tad too sweet. The original recipe is a warm salad, so next time I'm looking for that, I'll try it.
Only had yellow onions, but I don't think that would make much difference. We really didn't care for the dressing.We usually love broccoli, but not this way.
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I was looking for a recipe that incorporated all of these ingredients and stumbled up on this two nights ago. I made a couple of changes - I caramelized most of the chopped onion and added that with the bacon and broccoli. I diced about 2 tbsp of the onion and added it in the dressing as per the recipe and added a shade more red wine vinegar. It was delicious! I definitely recommend this dish.


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The Queue: Explanations {WoW}
Nov 3rd 2010 12:50PM What about Cata epic gems? Will they be level-85 only as well?
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Nov 3rd 2010 12:37PM What level will we be able to spend JP on lvl85 gear? And will that vendor be in a zone accessible at level 80?
Guild size cap and the WoW Insider reader guild {WoW}
Oct 7th 2010 1:25PM The 99.9% is almost certainly wrong. There are 12 million subscribers. .1% of 12m is 12,000.
I don't know the membership counts for large guilds and the collectives of smaller ones which would have been large, but I am pretty sure when added up there are more than 12,000 subscribers being impacted by this change.
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Oct 5th 2010 4:39PM Are there any more details about how many "fragments" we might be carrying around as we level Archeology? My druid is already having a panic attack about bag space and a bank filled with soulbound tier sets.
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Couldn't agree more. I haven't heard Disc can't heal for close to a year. In fact, all I hear is "Oh, he isn't Disc? Hmmm."
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Sep 8th 2010 1:17PM My understanding is that there won't be a new neutral city in Cata, a la Shattrath or Dalaran. So where will all the lvl 85's be hanging out? I didn't play in Vanilla but heard most Horde "lived" in Undercity because of it's proximity to Scholo, Strat and to a lesser extent Blackrock. Do you think we'll all be parked in faction-specific cities or someplace new?
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Sep 8th 2010 12:18AM I am EXTREMELY concerned that Pet Rocks will be disappearing from the game when Azshara is claimed for baby goblins.
"It looks happy!"
I look sad.
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Sep 1st 2010 12:36AM I can't figure out why I'm not exalted with my faction after being exalted with all five cities. I know people with all three Loremaster, Seeker and Exalted titles who still aren't exalted with their faction. Is there actually a way to max out that faction rep bar or is it going to stay stuck mid-Revered forever?
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Aug 18th 2010 1:10PM @aramis
That's how I read his question too because that's the first thing I thought when I saw that achievement: "How can I possibly contribute to questing when I've *done* all the quests already?"
I don't know what the total Northrend quests were, but adding up the required number to get Northrend Loremaster is only 775. So if Cata adds, generously, even 1000 new quests for lvl 80-85 you'd need a 50 person guild (if everyone had knocked out all prior quests) to hit 50K quests, which does seem unfair.
However, what I remembered was that most of Azeroth is being reworked, the old Azeroth quests that counted for the current Loremaster will be gone and likely replaced with a few thousand new quests.
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Jul 28th 2010 12:03PM Any word yet on how much spellpower casters get from Intellect in Cata?
I want to stockpile heirloom enchants to sell to all the baby goblins and don't know if I should be making Enchant Weapon - Spellpower (http://www.wowhead.com/item=38877) or Enchant Weapon - Mighty Intellect (http://www.wowhead.com/spell=23804)


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What are your sources, other than trading? I've traded on GW and enjoyed it but it was time-consuming - some years I'd just like to place an order and be done with it.
Pinetree has been my go-to, but last year with seed packages running between one and two dollars, it added up. I just ordered 25 packets for $25 from Cherry Gal - 2012 seeds - haven't received them yet. She carries a lot of what Baker Creek has. There's legumes from the bulk bins - have gotten Puy Lentils and Scarlet Runner Beans - Whole Foods is expensive for food but you can get the equivalent of a seed packet for a quarter - I guess you could try grain too. Saving the seeds from farmer's market tomatoes. Seed snitching - if it's hanging over the public sidewalk; it's fair game. And ones that are maybe not fair game. My brother says the Walmart where he lives in NC has ten cent seed packets, not the Walmart here by a long shot! What are your inexpensive, cheap, stay-in-budget sources? |
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Indeed, the price of seeds has become a major issue for us gardeners. I resist spending $2.95 per pack. Here are my strategies: 1. Seed saving has become very important to me. 2. Trading (often outright gifts from generous GWers). This usually results from participation in specialized forums. 3. Sandhill Preservation has an excellent selection and reasonable prices, including reasonable shipping cost. 4. End of season seed sales at local garden centers and hardware stores. I got a lot of Burpee seeds last fall for fifteen cents a package. Jim |
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The Sample Seed Shop is inexpensive. Sandhill Preservation is is also very good as Jim said. |
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You can browse through several hundred seed suppliers from this link. I recommend Sandhill DarJones |
I have ordered from Artistic Gardens this last year. Sample seed packets were $0.40 each and had plenty of seeds in them. They are also in the link from fusion power. I currently have chard and carrots that are doing amazing from them are both are heirlooms. |
Here is a link that might be useful: Artistic Gardens
If you search the net, typing in open pollinated rather than heirloom can at times find one the same seed from a cheaper source. |
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Heirloomseeds.com doesn't seem to be to expensive.As a newbie point of view they seem to have a pretty good variety of seeds to get to. I think when I order seeds I'll do it from them. Nico |
Another endorsement for The Sample Seed Shop. Remy, who owns/runs it, is an individual, not a huge corporation. She's a GardenWeb member, too! |
Here is a link that might be useful: Sample Seed Shop on Rate & Review Vendors Forum
I bought seeds from Cherry Gal a couple years ago. I had quite a few issues with poor germination, and typically you're only getting roughly 10-20 seeds per pack. yeah, shes cheap. If you want to try a plant or two, shes a great option. If you want to grow a bunch, shes probably not a good one. |
It is hard to buy seeds from a gardener that you don't know becuase, if the plants are not isolated then there is the risk of crosing and you don't get what you though. Just saying |
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I do believe I'm feelin' stronger everyday.
-Chicago, "Feeling Stronger Everyday" from the album Chicago VI
The US Cellular Arena was jammed with over 9,000 people for a concert from one of the world's most popular bands. Chicago was performing, and the audience was alive with excitement. The iconic rock stars didn't disappoint.
You most likely didn't know about this concert. That's understandable. First, it occurred more than 10 years ago. And second, it wasn't open to the public.
It was concert put on by Northwestern Mutual for its annual agent meeting. No external promotion for this one. I was there – invited by a good friend who worked for the company, who implored me not to tell anyone. Which to say the least drove me a bit nuts. So in effect, I was there incognito.
Now that's quiet.
Fade to 2013. Northwestern Mutual unveiled plans in September for a spectacular new office tower that would grace the Downtown Milwaukee skyline. The building would replace one of their key office locations on Wisconsin Avenue overlooking the Calatrava and the lake.
Not so quiet.
And the company is now even prominent in the sports world, sponsoring a fall event on the PGA Tour with Tiger Woods outside Los Angeles called the "Northwestern Mutual World Challenge" as well as unveiling a new if less than spectacular TV commercial during the Rose Bowl on New Year's Day.
Not quiet at all.
So let's talk about the building. My first impression was, "Hey, that's really cool for Milwaukee." Something new for Downtown where its been desperately needed, as I opined (I just love that word!) in this space last February ("Illusions of Grandeur").
But I also began to wonder how all this noise out of the purported "Quiet Company" influenced the employees. Is this a good thing? Or would they prefer to say behind the scenes, under the radar?
Luckily, I have a friend who works there, so I could act like a real reporter, which I've been dying to do.
Allison Lipscomb, a Field Engagement Consultant with the company, paints a picture of a quiet superstar in the corporate world.
"I work for one of the best companies in the country. It would be great if more people knew that."
Hmm. This not being quiet might just be a good thing.
Lipscomb, who has been with the company for 13years, thinks that the company and its values should get much more notoriety. "Northwestern Mutual's buildings have been a visual reflection of our reputation. The new building is bringing the outside metaphorically in, changing the image of the company. We've been secure and very private, not conducive to letting people in, but the new building will change that."
The building, according to Mary Louise Schumacher in the Sep. 29 Milwaukee Journal Sentinel, "is the largest office tower to be built in Milwaukee in 40 years," and "is the most significant architectural event to take place in Milwaukee in a generation, excepting Santiago Calatrava's Milwaukee Art Museum." Pretty heady company for sure.
"We're not really the quiet company anymore," president, chairman and CEO John Schlifske, who is keeping his office in the old building, told employees recently. "We're still rooted in our values, but we're getting a chance to grow and evolve with these new times."
Milwaukeeans should rejoice. Although the new building won't be completed until 2017, this news is like a breath of spring. Bottom line is that Downtown really needs this.
Renderings show a gleaming, glistening skyscraper that, according to the Milwaukee Business Journal, will have quite a bit of public space, a café with outdoor dining and a water feature around the outside of the building." It looks and sounds fantastic, as does Northwestern Mutual's new attitude.
"The quiet company is speaking a bit louder these days," Schlifske says. "New products and services, advertising, the new building makes it the trifecta. This represents a significant shift in how we do business. Watch out for us. We got the goods. Now we got the building."
Maybe they'll even bring Chicago back. Now that would make me smile.


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