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I just got a 1 yr old ocoblanco. I live in michigan where out winters are overcast with little to no sunlight. I know houston gave me great advice in the past, but I know texas winters are very different from MI winters. what type of grow light would I need to keep my tree green and healthy throughout winter? (keep in mind I am a grad student and don't have a ton of money, lol). my tree will be near a window as well to try to soak up as much light it can get. I'd appreciate anyone's help!
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My plants of all kinds do just fine with a regular compact florescent light put into an inexpensive clip-on type spotlight fixture. Total cost is around $6-$10 from a home improvement warehouse or mass merchandiser like Home Depot, Lowe's, Meijer, Wal-mart. |
Here is a link that might be useful: Something along these lines, most under $10
- Posted by blazeaglory 10 SZ22 OC Ca (My Page) on Fri, Aug 3, 12 at 18:41
You can find fluorescent grow lights that mimic the sun and are the equivalent of a 300w metal halide. I picked one up and it was 80 watts and put out the same amount of lumens as a 300 watt metal halide. Cant remember the brand but google florescent grow lights. |
- Posted by msugrl2010 none (My Page) on Fri, Aug 3, 12 at 19:56
Denninmi, Really? so I could get a compacy florescent light like in the link below and my plant would be ok? http://www.homedepot.com/webapp/catalog/servlet/ContentView?pn=KH_BG_EL_Choosing_CFL_Light_Bulbs Should I try to look for a specific CFL? I wasn't able to see what you posted in the link, for some reason the link took me to the google homepage XD. Blazeaglory, I googled florescent grow lights but I haven't found anything that you described, Do you have a picture of it? Thank you both! |
- Posted by msugrl2010 none (My Page) on Fri, Aug 3, 12 at 21:06
denninmi, is this the type of light you were talking about? it's a CFL. You kept your dwarf citrus tree healthy and green with one of these? |
- Posted by msugrl2010 none (My Page) on Fri, Aug 3, 12 at 21:09
- Posted by houstontexas123 z9a (My Page) on Sat, Aug 4, 12 at 0:18
those are way too small, you see on the lower left hand corner it says 13w. you need something over 40w. the giant ones are around 60-65w and are about 12 inches long and about 4inches wide, and the small one is around 45w, about 8inches long and 3inches wide. here's a few examples |
Here is a link that might be useful: 50-60watt CFL's
- Posted by meyermike_1micha 5 (firstname.lastname@example.com) on Sat, Aug 4, 12 at 9:19
Msugrl! Let me ask you a question? Please The window you are going to be putting your tree in, will it be a sunny south facing window? Mike |
- Posted by msugrl2010 none (My Page) on Sun, Aug 5, 12 at 1:10
Houston, Oh I see! will this light bulb I selected in the link below work for my oroblanco then? where can I get the metal shade to go around it? a general hardware store? I wonder if they sell any that have a clamp on the end of it. http://www.1000bulbs.com/product/2736/FC55-S50OD.html So if I got a light like this, along with placing my tree near a window this should be enough to keep him green and healthy in the winter? Thanks again for your help! |
- Posted by msugrl2010 none (My Page) on Sun, Aug 5, 12 at 1:17
Mike, the most likely window it will be near is a window facing east (where the sun rises). though remember, Michigan Winters are almost always overcast 90% of the time (not sure how your winters are, I envy you if they're sunny!). My house is kept at a temperature of around 70 degrees in the winter, so the tree will be subjected to this too. (the tree will be in my house). I'll have dry heat but I heard misting the leaves with a spray bottle helps add some humidity. I can easily get bugspray from the plant nursery in the winter (they're open year round with supplies). If I did need a bug spray, which one would you reccommend? yes I plan on continuing a monthly regiment of fertilizing. I will fertilize with romeo. Hope this gives you a better idea about my trees environment for this winter! MSUgrl |
- Posted by houstontexas123 z9a (My Page) on Sun, Aug 5, 12 at 23:20
the CFL you linked will work. you can get the clamp on lamps at any hardware store, and even at walmart. you can also get the timers at the same places. you can just "set it and forget it" lol. i set mine for around 7am till 5pm. |
- Posted by blazeaglory 10 SZ22 OC Ca (My Page) on Mon, Aug 6, 12 at 13:17
When I grow I want the best of whatever Im growing and the little "house" low watt floros just never did it for me other than for rooting clones. This is the type of light I am referring to but this one I just found with a quick google search and I linked the first one just to show you what type Im talking about. They have others that have more lumens and more light spectrum and are cheaper. If you can find a hydroponic grow store in your area they are cheaper than online but you can find some deals online as well. http://www.virtualsunhydroponics.com/Agricultural/products/790125-CF.asp?rt=2 |
Here is a link that might be useful: Good grow light
- Posted by blazeaglory 10 SZ22 OC Ca (My Page) on Mon, Aug 6, 12 at 13:24
MSgurl, the link you posted is what I was talking about and will work fine for what you need. Also, forget about watts, you want LUMENS and with the technology they have today they are making smaller wattage bulbs with higher lumens. Anything over 5000k will be fine for an indoor winter only grow but for full term vegging and fruiting you would want way more (over 100,000). But the light in you link will work fine and will be much better than a regular "soft white" house floro. You want to make sure it is FULL SPECTRUM or at the least an equivalent of an HPS with reds and oranges to simulate fall/winter and made for plants and animals to get the best results. Sometimes trying to save a couple bucks (trust me I know Im poor as $hi*) will cost you in the long run. |
- Posted by meyermike_1micha 5 (firstname.lastname@example.com) on Mon, Aug 6, 12 at 19:57
10 or more hours of light is perfect for citrus growing in 70 degree weather. With your window getting that much sunlight and the lights, you will have a happy camper. Like I cautioned, just be vigilant with reagrds to pest, and your tree should be fine. I usually find that pushing mine like that in those temps, in the winter, brings on mites. The heat created by your light source will usually add to the dry air you already have surrounding your tree whether you even though you may mist. A fan with your set up would do wonders. Mike |
- Posted by msugrl2010 none (My Page) on Mon, Aug 6, 12 at 20:54
Houston, awesome! I'm definitely going to go look for a good clamp shade once my exams are done (I'll finally be finished next week! yayy!!) blazeaglory, LOL! then you totally understand my plight, since I'm a grad student I usually don't have a lot of spare cash. I'm glad that the light I selected should work for my tree, Thanks for the link you posted up, it's good to know that light will work too. Mike, good to have your approval on my wintering plan too. I know its kinda early to think about winter, but it'll be here before we know it, can't believe it's already August! where did the summer go? but its ok, I love autumn too (I pretty much love any season besides winter, LOL). I'll definitely turn the fan on it for a few hours a day too. My friend came over yesterday to study with me and she ooed and ahhed at how pretty my tree was and wanted to know where she could get one, I may have gotten her hooked on dwarf citrus too! LOL XD Thanks again for your guys's advice! I really appreciate it!! I'll take a picture of my tree again and post it here once I have re-potted him into a good pot. He only has to sit in his small container for another week and a half, so I think it can hold on for a little bit longer (the site said a month was ok). Can't wait to get the mix and make everything come together. |
Hi all, I was researching my winter grow light plans and found MSUgrl's post. Thanks for all the links to good bulbs. I have a question for MeyerMike regarding the 70 degree temps that MSUgrl has. Is that low or high? I live in a high rise on the 15th floor so I rarely turn my heat on (never did last year) and often leave the patio door open. Heat rises and my condo is often a hot, dry, dry 75+ degrees. Is that ok? I like the fan idea and have done a humidifier in the past. My 3 citrus plants were good the last 3 years but I have two more now...so lighting will be necessary for those who can't get the prime window spot. And yes, I'm vigilant on the pest control. It IS a problem that I must stay on top of. Thanks! |
I just wanted to clear up something that might confuse some people. the K rating on a lamp is the color or spectrum not the Lumens. Higher the K the closer the lamp is to sunlight. When you go buy a fluorescent tube like a T5 or T8 it will say the color and wattage but not how many lumens it will put out because that depends on the ballast driving it. But yes the higher the lumens the better and wattage doesnt necessarily determine that. Mike |
- Posted by houstontexas123 z9a (My Page) on Sun, Aug 26, 12 at 7:22
Lizza, 70-75'F is fine for the trees in the winter time. but if you have fruit on them, like oranges it'll be too warm for them to change colors, but they will be ripe. i do think you'll need a humidifier. |
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On the second anniversary of Superstorm Sandy making landfall, we are running an extract from a new book by Adam Sobel "Storm Surge: Hurricane Sandy, Our Changing Climate, and Extreme Weather of the Past and Future". It's a great read covering the meteorology of the event, the preparation, the response and the implications for the future.
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The poor quality of the tropical cyclone (TC) data record provides severe constraints on the ability of climate scientists to: a) determine to what degree TCs have responded to shifts in climate, b) evaluate theories on how TCs will respond to climate change in the future. The root cause for the poor data is the severity of the TC conditions (e.g. high wind, rough seas) and the remoteness of these storms – the vast majority of which form and remain well away from most observing networks. Thus, most TCs are not observed directly and those that are (with buoys, aircraft reconnaissance, ships) are often not sampled sufficiently (see the IBTrACS, (Knapp et al., 2010)).
This leaves tropical cyclone forecasters, who are ultimately responsible for recording TC tracks and intensities (i.e. maximum wind speeds), with a challenging problem. Fortunately, there is a tool called the Dvorak Technique which allows forecasters to make a reasonable determination of the TC intensity by simply analyzing a single infrared or visible satellite image, which is almost always available Velden et al., 2006). The technique calls for the analyst to determine the center location of the system, the cloud pattern type, the degree of organization of the pattern, and the intensity trend. A maximum surface wind speed is determined after the application of a number of rules and constraints.
The Dvorak Technique has been used for many years at all global tropical cyclone forecast centers and has been shown in many cases to yield a good estimate of maximum TC wind speed, when applied properly (Knaff et al., 2010). However, there is a level of analyst subjectivity inherent in the procedure; the cloud patterns are not always clear, it is sometimes difficult to accurately determine the storm center and the rules and constraints have been interpreted and applied differently across agencies. This introduces heterogeneity in the global TC record since the Dvorak Technique is usually the only available tool for assessing the maximum wind speed.
There has been recent work to eliminate the human element in the Dvorak Technique by automating the procedure. The Advanced Dvorak Technique (ADT) uses objective storm center and cloud pattern schemes to remove the subjectivity (Olander and Velden, 2007). All other classification rules and constraints are then applied and combined with additional statistical information to produce automated intensity estimates. Although the ADT skill is comparable to experienced human Dvorak analysts, large errors can occur if the scene type is not identified properly.
A new crowd sourcing project, called Cyclone Center, embraces the human element by enabling the public to perform a simplified version of the Dvorak Technique to analyze historical global tropical cyclone (TC) intensities (Hennon, 2012). Cyclone Center's primary goal is to resolve discrepancies in the recent global TC record arising principally from inconsistent development of tropical cyclone intensity data. The Cyclone Center technique standardizes the classification procedure by condensing the Dvorak Technique to a few simple questions that can be answered by global, nonprofessional users.
One of the main advantages of this approach is the inclusion of thousands of users, instead of the 1-3 who would normally classify a TC image. This allows the computation of measures of uncertainty in addition to a mean intensity. Nearly 300,000 images, encompassing all global TCs that formed from 1978-2009, will be classified 30 times each – a feat that would take a dedicated team of twenty Dvorak-trained experts about 12 years to complete. Citizen scientists have already performed over 100,000 classifications since the project launch in September. Once the project is complete, a new dataset of global TC tracks and intensities will be made available to the community to contribute to our efforts to provide the best possible TC data record.
Interested readers are encouraged to learn more about and participate in the project at the cyclonecenter.org website (there are some FAQ on the project blog). The CycloneCenter project is a collaboration between the Citizen Science Alliance, NOAA National Climatic Data Center (NCDC), University of North Carolina at Asheville, and the Cooperative Institute for Climate and Satellites (CICS) – North Carolina.
- K.R. Knapp, M.C. Kruk, D.H. Levinson, H.J. Diamond, and C.J. Neumann, "The International Best Track Archive for Climate Stewardship (IBTrACS)", Bulletin of the American Meteorological Society, vol. 91, pp. 363-376, 2010. http://dx.doi.org/10.1175/2009BAMS2755.1
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The IPCC report on extreme climate and weather events
The IPCC recently released the policy-maker's summary (SREX-SPM) on extreme weather and climate events. The background for this report is a larger report that is due to be published in the near future, and one gets a taste of this in the 'wordle' figure below. By the way, the phrase 'ET' in this context does not refer 'extra-terrestrial', and 'AL' is not a person, but these refer to the way of citing many scholars: 'et al.'
Going to extremes
There are two new papers in Nature this week that go right to the heart of the conversation about extreme events and their potential relationship to climate change. This is a complex issue, and one not well-suited to soundbite quotes and headlines, and so we'll try and give a flavour of what the issues are and what new directions these new papers are pointing towards.
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Of tempests, barren ground and a thousand furlongs of sea
Guest commentary by Ron Miller, NASA GISS
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A divine visitation compels a down-and-out factory worker to rid his white trash world of human vermin.
From Hell I Came
An escaped convict teams up with a deranged mountain man to survive a backwoods manhunt.
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Micro to low budget, character-driven script showcasing strong male and female leads. FHIC is a vicious tale of justice and revenge that would do Charles Bronson proud.
The movie opens with a heart-pounding chase through the Ozark wilderness as a posse hunts pretty young fugitive Sherra James.
But theyre not alone.
The posse is savagely slaughtered by mountain man Keller McGavin, the infamous serial killer who disappeared into the backwoods decades ago.
When his wife and son were killed, McGavin went on a decade-long killing spree, and only a resemblance to McGavins dead wife saves Sherra from the same fate.
Desperate, Sherra follows the psychopath in hopes hell guide her through the backwoods to freedom.
When rookie cop Shea Knight informs Captain Joe Varnell of the missing posse, he leads his own squad into the forest, but for reasons unknown wants McGavins resurface kept secret.
McGavin knows the woods, but Sherra needs medical treatment, so they head for McGavins only friend, hermit moonshiner, Bailey.
Varnell, Knight and two colorful deputies fly into the heart of the forest, and after literally stumbling across the murdered posse, conflict erupts about how to proceed.
The fugitives reach Bailey after some close calls, and while stitching Sherra, Bailey issues a prophetic warning about getting too close to McGavin.
Bailey returns a treasured locket to McGavin, but the talisman triggers intense psychosis, and visions of his sons ghost lead McGavin to murder Bailey.
The squad raids Baileys cabin, and Sherra hides inside the walls, right under Varnells nose.
Reunited with Sherra, McGavin turns the tables on the squad. The hunters become the hunted. McGavin picks them off one by one with dramatic flair until only Varnell and Knight remain.
Outgunned, Varnell deputizes a hillbilly poacher, who manages to get the drop on McGavin and Sherra. Wrongly believing that McGavin is the fugitive, he releases Sherra, and having bonded with the madman, she does run, but reluctantly.
Sherra and Knight collide in the woods, facing off in a catfight, and Knight is killed while McGavin disembowels his captor.
McGavin confronts Varnell, and we learn that not only are the two brothers, but that Varnell covered up the murders of McGavins family after sending thugs to coerce him into selling his land to coal developers. The plan went south, Ethel and Lucas ending up dead.
In a poetic reversal, Sherra blows Varnell away, but not before McGavin is mortally wounded. Dying, McGavin wades into the river. Surrounded by police, hes reunited with his wife and son in a tranquil vision, then disappears into the water.
Sherra is taken away in cuffs, full circle, but has given McGavin his peace... his freedom.
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Reviews of From Hell I Came 32
A review of From Hell I Cameby Eddiebo2112 on 12/09/2009I wasn't given this script as an assignment, I was browsing through some of the horror screenplays and the synopsis caught my eye...I figured I'd give a review regardless. I really like how you've set this piece up. I'm an avid fan of this genre, and although its not quite "Slasher" it contains many of the elements that make a good horror/thriller. You did an excellent job... I wasn't given this script as an assignment, I was browsing through some of the horror screenplays and the synopsis caught my eye...I figured I'd give a review regardless.
I really like how you've set this piece up. I'm an avid fan of this genre, and although its not quite "Slasher" it contains many of the elements that make a good horror/thriller. You did an excellent job of setting the stage with McGavin wiping out the team of dogs. That got the ball rolling for me immediately. One staple that I feel makes these stories work is the creation of a "terrible place," A place where the characters are pinned against an evil and until that evil is destroyed they cannot leave hte terrible place. The Forest was a great setting for that, especially with a character like McGavin running around.
One thing that I was confused about is the protagonist. It seemed to jump around a bit. At first I was rooting for Knight, and that shifted to me beginning to root for Sherra, and of course McGavin. I found it hardest to root for McGavin because he was killing all these men with families, and because he killed Bailey who had done nothing but help him. But I still had a hard time rooting against him, which made his character so complex in an antihero mentality.
Knight I felt was the clear cut hero, a good cop who wants to do the right thing. I felt for her the most and was most put off when she was killed by Sherra.
Which brings me to Sherra, tough not to root for a women who escapes being held captive by a cop who is looking to rape her. I thought her character was very well developed and that she had a great dynamic with McGavin. One thing I foudn difficult to believe is that she'd try and shoot Knight. I mean if shes in there for burglary, why murder an innocent women like that? I understand her fears here but it didn't seem like a logical thing to do, especially since its inevitable she'll be caught.
Lastly I was just curious what the word "Siedow" meant. Does it have an signifigance? Other then the obvious.
Great work and keep it up read -
A review of From Hell I Cameby tank22 on 04/18/2008Let me start off, as I began to read the screenplay, I was drawn extremly quickly. I really liked, how it didn't diddle, dattle around with trying to get in the action. As so many other scripts, that i have read do. Also, i like how, you aren't to concerned with blood, and gore. For me, too many people are scared to do. Also, being familar with the Ozarks, it brought me back... Let me start off, as I began to read the screenplay, I was drawn extremly quickly. I really liked, how it didn't diddle, dattle around with trying to get in the action. As so many other scripts, that i have read do. Also, i like how, you aren't to concerned with blood, and gore. For me, too many people are scared to do. Also, being familar with the Ozarks, it brought me back towards a cabin I have been to and the running through the woods with my cousins. Also, with the dialogue, I thought that it was well written. It allowed me to engage with the characters and make them feel like I was with them. With the charcter of Kenn, i felt that he waas just a little too pumped to go find McGavin. I think if, it took him a few pages, to actually get ready, and want ot find McGavin, would have been better. Overall i thought the script was good, and a nice thriller. Good luck. read
A review of From Hell I Cameby **DELETED ACCOUNT** on 04/14/2008Let me open by saying the bloodbath genre is not my fave. Let me also say that I was utterly able to look past the gore and recognize some quality writing. Characters were all interesting, and the dialog was superb -- despite some of the cheesier macho crapola. I think what's wrong with this extremely well written piece is best summed up in this action line: "The pump of... Let me open by saying the bloodbath genre is not my fave. Let me also say that I was utterly able to look past the gore and recognize some quality writing. Characters were all interesting, and the dialog was superb -- despite some of the cheesier macho crapola.
I think what's wrong with this extremely well written piece is best summed up in this action line:
"The pump of the shotgun behind them ends the touchy-feelie moment."
On a minor note, this is telling, not showing. I wouldn't mention it, were the script not overflowing with such intrusive moments.
On a major note, if the script itself mocks its more human moments, why even include them? Why not just make it one, long, relentless murder spree/chase and call it a day? I'm serious. Why even feign a semblance of humanity in what is really just a well written snuff film?
Mind you, I had this exact same question leaving NO COUNTRY FOR OLD MEN. I don't care what anyone tells me about 'the book'. I love the Coen Brothers sometimes, but not as a religion. Their 'best picture' is nothing more than an excuse for an audience to get cheap thrills watching a scary dude kill scared shitless people. The same can be said of FROM HELL I CAME, to the letter.
Does something about this genre allow authors to skip over those touchy-feelie moments that make okay movies great? If yes, I missed the memo.
SILENCE OF THE LAMBS and ROBOCOP had violence. They were also great stories. Each with genuine human moments. I didn't roll my eyes when Starling missed her Dad. I felt terrible for Murphy, for having his life literally taken from him. Without this counterpoint, what would be gratifying drama is reduced to gratuitous action. Explicit/grainy violence doesn't equal vivid/compelling drama.
Did I really care what happened to McGavin's family? With genuine apology to the quality writing, no. There was nothing to grab onto. Blood is funny that way -- you can't pick it up the way you can pick up a living, breathing person. It slips through your fingers, and goes everywhere and nowhere.
Authors, an easy fix is to simply remove the offending line I started off with. A better fix is to set up the story properly. Find a way to make me care about McGavin by the one quarter mark (instead of 7 pages shy of the middle), and you'll give me a reason/excuse to follow the bloodbath.
If the brothers must spend so much time talking about touchy-feelie things at the story end, this discussion should have been going on the entire time.
All this said, I'd read anything else (outside of this genre) by these authors. Best of luck with the SOM.
CONCEPT: good/pass
CHARACTER: good/pass
DIALOG: excellent/pass
STORY: average/fail
STRUCTURE: below average/fail
OVERALL: good/pass
CONSIDER read -
A review of From Hell I Cameby Dannie on 04/13/2008From Hell I Came This is a well written and extremely compitent script. It sets off running from the beginning and never lets up with a chase that leaves us wondering who the good guys are. It's an interesting exercise to create a story around characters with very questionable pasts. From a technical standpoint this SP is a very easy read, nice and clean. A few errors that... From Hell I Came
This is a well written and extremely compitent script. It sets off running from the beginning and never lets up with a chase that leaves us wondering who the good guys are. It's an interesting exercise to create a story around characters with very questionable pasts.
From a technical standpoint this SP is a very easy read, nice and clean. A few errors that can be chalked up to hill billy phonetics. So it's easier to just talk about the story and characters.
I like the setting, keeps it simple and true to the story allows for a Deliverance style soundtrack. Watching Sherra from the beginning we assume that this is her story and with Siedow she has a more current history with the law than Keller does.
Where the story doesn't quite mesh is Keller's grudge with Varnell. The description of the rapists is vague enough that we really don't know the connection to Varnell other than the badge. This doesn't give the Keller revenge angle enough weight. He holds Varnell responsible and yet we're never certain of the connection. The rapists are Varnell's deputies, what happened that Keller thought he was the one to serve out justice? He "killed his boys", through 15 years he could have simply walked up to Varnell's cabin and finished it all sooner. Varnell thought Keller was dead so he didn't pursue him, but there is no real explanation for the 15 year gap. The history becomes nothing more than a device to bring us into Sherra's time and her story isn't central enough to the script to stand without Keller and Varnell's. Where did Keller go? Not even Baily knew. The story also implies that Keller's spent time in the woods killing just for the sake of killing, trying to fill his families void with more death. On the otherhand we're led to believe he might just be completely crazy, which doesn't mesh with him helping Sherra or the ending. Keller ends up being like Predator only he's from this planet.
Creed starts the McGavin story and yet completely back peddles when Varnell tells him it's true. This feels really inconsistant. Shea is another puzzle piece that doesn't quite fit. Aspiring to be more than just a dispatch person, she ends up in the deep end without her water wings. Her seperation from Varnell towards the end makes sense and we are with her when she makes the move but we lose faith in the story again when she is dispatched, more or less, by a lucky gold coin that she'll get to pay the ferry man with. Sherra's only gain through this whole story is the death of Siedow other than that she's only had time off from prison. Plus, her only reason for shooting a cop is to protect Keller without really learning too much of his backstory. She owe's him one but it's a life sentence for one of the few characters that we like.
Guess the only real complaint with this story is your audience is forced to choose between the lesser of evils if they want to cheer for a character. Keller is justified in a crazy way but seems to be killing for sport. We never know what Varnell or Siedow have to lose other than their lives, or what Knight has to gain by succeeding in catching Sherra.
There are a few questions about casting and marketing. Who is your audience? Horror fans? Then who's going to be cast to draw the teeny bopper gore fans? It doesn't quite seem to fit in that genre.
Keller is crazy, he is haunted by ghosts. That said, I guess my feeling is that this script needs to go one of two ways. Make it closer to a horror film with the supernatural side more prevailent and Keller awol from hell, or a thriller/drama where Varnell is closer to Ethel's and Lucas's death than we ever imagined and this becomes a family gone wrong revenge story. Right now it is on the fence.
I really enjoyed reading this and think it's a wonderful piece of writing and displays your talent really well. There were times that I loved the writing and thought it was close to brilliant- especially the way the story comes full circle, beginning in the river and ending in the river. I recommend this script and score it highly just because I admire the talent and had a good time reading this. Keep up the great writing! read -
A review of From Hell I Cameby Andrew Moser on 04/10/2008Well when I started reading I was immediately drawn in with the opening sequence. I enjoyed you opening up with something that was grab my attention and kept me reading. You also did very well with the dialogue. I have seen to many screenplays with just nasty dialogue however I think the dialogue in this is one of the strong points. The description in this also made me feel... Well when I started reading I was immediately drawn in with the opening sequence. I enjoyed you opening up with something that was grab my attention and kept me reading. You also did very well with the dialogue. I have seen to many screenplays with just nasty dialogue however I think the dialogue in this is one of the strong points. The description in this also made me feel right in there. I never had a hard time imagining what was going on. I liked the Character Varnell, he was developed very well.
Some things that you should take a look at-
1. It seemed that there were to many officers. I seemed to lose track of who was who. You could probably combine at least two of these characters.
2. The character Kenn seemed very fake. I mean his brother-in-law is just killed and he gets all exicted to go looking for McGavin. I would work on showing the audience that he is more distraught. It seemed like he forgot he was even out with his friend.
3. It seemed very cliche with McGavin out for revenge for the murder of his family. Also the little twist of Varnell being is brother was not very original.
4. A little techincal thing on page 81 you refer to Knight as Sherra. Also on page 83 Varnell tells Knight to get back yet on the next page he is screaming nooooo! Seemed strange.
Overall this script has potential to be a nice thriller but I would say to go through and make it more original.
Good Luck read -
A review of From Hell I Cameby dleonetti on 04/07/2008A lot of spit and polish has went into this screenplay. It has the best 10 page hook that I have read so far. Though you are working in a familar genre, the screenplay has some getty-up and go from the first blood bath in the woods, and carries us head-long into the story. It is the dialogue, a mixture of redneck and oakish brevity, that lends even more versimilitude...
A lot of spit and polish has went into this screenplay. It has the best 10 page hook that I have read so far. Though you are working in a familar genre, the screenplay has some getty-up and go from the first blood bath in the woods, and carries us head-long into the story. It is the dialogue, a mixture of redneck and oakish brevity, that lends even more versimilitude. Good job.
I see where Deliverance is one of your favorite films. You have some of that man against the wild, man against himself, man against man in this terrific little piece. I also see where you are shooting this feature, so I am only reading to see if I could suggest anything to improve the story. The Zippo lighter at the end, didn't get it?
Page 50--not that important, but soldiers were issued a ration card for booze and cigarettes, more than enough, so that most sold the whiskey and cigarettes on the black market for extra money. Never would have made moonshine. Here, you could just change moonshine to Viet whiskey, which pardon the clique, could peel paint off wood.
McGavin, a vet, I like how you gave him some PTSD issues: nightmares, rage, self isolation (along with Bailey). But there would also be fear, and so it would be nice if you could have McGavin booby trap the woods, so that (spiked pit), etc Varnell and his posse would have to dodge these additional threats in there chase? Who did this? The runaway girl couldn't have? Alas, they have more issues than they thought. . .my bad there it is on Page 67.
Orange tents, would Varnell be so naive with a devil lurking in the woods?
Clusterfuck--tells me one of you two guys is a veteran? Might have McGavin take some ears from his deadly deeds, and wearing an ear necklace? Give it a little more army touch. Page 97: McGavin could say: "Only so many bullets you can dodge, Joe. And need a lot of ears to cut, Joe. The world is deaf."
Page 76--need period after sentence: He turns to Creed
Page 79--Sherra crouches. Should be Knight.
Do you have an outlet for this? If not, I may be able to help?
dan read -
A review of From Hell I Cameby itchinbay on 04/06/2008characters: You have a nice balance of characters. Their dialogue is well done. It was well paced. structure: very good. The movie built to a climax, always moving in the right direction. I don't see many scripts that do this as well as yours. I enjoyed this script. It kept me entertained as I read. I think it's very close to being a Hollywood movie. However, at... characters: You have a nice balance of characters. Their dialogue is well done. It was well paced.
structure: very good. The movie built to a climax, always moving in the right direction. I don't see many scripts that do this as well as yours.
I enjoyed this script. It kept me entertained as I read. I think it's very close to being a Hollywood movie.
However, at the end, I had many questions.
1) the coin. What in the dialogue showed this coin to be special? At one point she flipped it, saw it was heads, and suggested that it was a bad omen. But it wasn't explained. At the end, she left the coin in Knight's mouth, like a hitman's calling card. What was that all about?
2) Why did McGavin spare Shera? The comments suggested that he had killed many people. What was special about her?
3) Now Shera is a cop killer. At the beginning, it was mentioned that she was a first time offender, but no princess. She doesn't seem to have any malice throughout the movie. The audience felt endeared to her -- this was well done, by the way -- from the beginning. I understand why she did it, but killing a cop is not going to help her any. It gave me mixed feelings. I'd prefer Varnell to die by someone else's hand, especially McGavin's, since he had a motive for revenge. Knight's death could look accidental. As an alternative, he now has a reason for suicide, since the truth of his coverup could be exposed.
4) The rapists were Varnell's deputies. Why wouldn't he arrest them? Leaving them as above the law would just make it worse for him.
5) How did he get away with the bad call on the autopsy? Aren't those reviewed? And why were they still around for Knight to find?
6) The ghosts of the victims had appeared to others, not just McGavin. I think either they should appear only to him, thus being his imagination, or they should somehow figure prominantly in the plot. At the beginning, you talk of it as a well-known myth of the area. As it is, I wondered why they were there.
7) They were brothers? This could have been worked in more, but it wasn't. It would make more sense if it had been left out. They don't even have the same name. They could easily have a common history without being brothers. Partners in crime, perhaps, or part of a threesome in Vietnam?
8) Why didn't Varnell mention that McGavin was the killer? What difference would that have made? It sounds like he makes poor judgements often.
But honestly, I think this movie could sell even without all these changes.
Running commentary:
p. 5 'Hooper lingers. Looks down at the leashes in his hands. He pitches the leashes to the ground and heads out.'
What happened? What are on the leashes? Have the dogs disappeared or are they dead?
You don't answer this for another page. Do you mean that at the time, Siedow sees it but the audience doesn't? This could be effective, but it was confusing when I read it.
p. 12 - 13 McGavin has a flashback to his wife. It might be more effective if you have the flashback after she says the full lines. They would spark his memory.
p. 24 Sherras expression says, great, a crazy vet.
I'm not sure I can imagine an expression that says this. I think many in the audience would interpret the expression differently.
Sherra's goal is to escape, but I'm not sure of anyone else's goal. Why did McGavin help her? Does she remind him of his wife? And why didn't the captain mention McGavin? Is his goal to capture Sherra only?
p. 26 The officers talking say that McGavin tortured his victims first. But that isn't what we saw.
p. 33 I like the dialogue. The morbid humor sounds like how the law enforcement guys would talk.
p. 79 I still don't understand why Varnell didn't tell the men who they were really after. Why was it necessary to hide they were going after McGavin?
p. 85 'He lifts a jar of corn whiskey and flings it to the ground
where it SMASHES to pieces.'
Breaking glass makes a characteristic sound, Isn't he close enough that they can hear?
p. 97 'She carefully presses the coin into Knights mouth,
then uses her bloody palm to close Knights lifeless eyes.'
I don't get the significance of the coin. Why would she leave evidence incriminating herself?
Good action. The ending was well done. I gave a rating of 'good' for each category below because each area was done well, but no area jumped out at me as being excellent. read -
A review of From Hell I Cameby Gammon on 04/06/2008This isnt a script that about which you say Wow, I really liked this script or people might think you were psycho. This is a good script with competent writing by and large. My feedback is random except where indicated. Impressions once I reached Fade Out, really. I took a break around page 12 after the carnage and before the Flashback. (Coffee. Sue me.) First observation... This isnt a script that about which you say Wow, I really liked this script or people might think you were psycho. This is a good script with competent writing by and large.
My feedback is random except where indicated. Impressions once I reached Fade Out, really.
I took a break around page 12 after the carnage and before the Flashback. (Coffee. Sue me.)
First observation is that the writing is very visual, but it also calls attention to itself upon occasion, as if it were trying too hard. "JUICY RIP." "draws the knife out with a SLURP."
Second, you write "Lightening fast blur and the sound of STEEL ON FLESH." Later, "Another BLUR accompanied by the same metallic SLASH." What is this metallic thing that does such damage? Who knows? It may be just my logical mind, but don't tell me something metallic and invisible comes out of nowhere with enough force to V-slash a throat or clean-slice off a wrist and never explain it. Everything else is done in such burp-vomit reality that I don't buy it. I thought I missed something and reread. I hadn't missed anything. It wasn't there.
I can't help but think there's a better placement for the flashback of McGavin's than after all the carnage. It may give pertinent back story, but it sure comes at an awkward, story-interrupting place. And after reading the dialog, if that menacing figure isn't McGavin, then he'd have no way of knowing unless he's tied up somewhere in the barn watching.
Hovering menacingly over her is a SHADOWY FIGURE. Your writing is so good that lines like this hit the page with a THUD. I call it backward writing. A menacing, SHADOWY FIGURE hovers over her. Subject-verb. Who-what. Moves the action. Pulls us along.
Just a thought, if the flashback was triggered by Sherra's "I don't want to die," then the association with Ethel's "I don't want to die" makes the memory make sense. You could go back to present, but pick up with Captain Varnell's home. Leave us dangling and wanting to know what happened next.
You forgot to ALL CAP Varnell when he's introduced.
The Sherra/Sidow Flashback - feels out of place. No reason for it anyway. That she's been in jail has been established to death. And Siedow's dead already.
P. 62 (Stopped for another coffee break for one thing) and because something made me wonder. How would Sherra have known that McGavin left his hunting knife behind? You don't indicate she's hunting for any kind of weapon, so it reads like she knows he left it behind. Wasn't she asleep when he left?
This script moves at a fairly good clip. Good forward motion with the story except for the flashbacks. They felt contrived. Often unnecessary. The flashback of Sherra and Siedow in the jail... Sherra covers that competently and succinctly in dialog.
And then again and again to the murder of McGavin's family. It feels like it's broken into so many pieces (perhaps from trying to build suspense) that it became intrusive. Not sure why having all that information in the opening of the script, and done so that we know the what and the how, but the who is the mystery that's revealed in the final scene with Varnell.
The fact that Varnell chose his "boys" over McGavin certainly put a different light on the character of Varnell. I thought he was the protagonist at first. Likeable. Good lawman. But the reveals eventually make him not much different than McGavin (just a smaller body count).
In fact, I'm not sure who the protagonist in this piece is. I toyed with the possibility that it was Knight, but she wasn't driving the story. That left McGavin. Hmmm. Not sure about that choice. Although, McGavin would be a great protagonist if we felt strongly enough for his loss of family, as well as loss of everything because of his monumental revenge for the death of his family. The scene at the end in the creek is touching, but if he were the protagonist, and we felt his pain, it could be significant and devastating. In some ways, Varnell is just as much a "villain" as McGavin because Varnell knew his adversary and what McGavin was capable of. He should have been more cognizant that these Knight, Creed and Jenkins were no match for McGavin. Varnell is determined to catch McGavin. Vaulting ambition which o'er leaps itself? Certainly didn't decrease the body count any.
I wonder about the curiosity of your female characters. Why does Sherra go into the secret room to rifle through the trunk again? Other than she needs to be hidden when Varnell et. al. gets to the cabin? Why does Knight rifle through the things in Varnell's tent? Other than we need the information she uncovers. I didn't feel like her distrust of or suspicions about Varnell had been sufficiently established to make her spy on her superior officer.
No points off (I mean, it is what it is) but I didn't see the dramatic bang for the buck of having McGavin kill Bailey. Up to that point, we haven't seen McGavin so delusional that he sees his dead son running through the woods. It would seem to me that, sparing Bailey his old friend would reveal some residual humanity in McGavin just as his helping Sherra gave him a touch of humanity.
It feels like you could lose much of the State Trooper plot thread. Establish that they've been called and have them show up at the end. They're there to prod Varnell, but he's not the protagonist. And McGavin, by virtue of what he had done over the years as well as killing the officers at the beginning of your story, is justification enough for Varnell to go on the manhunt initially.
So, I get to Fade Out. No one wins. No one learns anything. No one changes. Not even Sherra. A truly wry ending would be if Sherra were captured and all that she faced was some additional time for escaping and her only crime was still shoplifting, even though she blew Varnell away.
This is a well-told story. The writing is overall very good although it does call attention to itself from time to time when it made me feel you were describing your movie rather than making the story play on the movie in my imagination. For example: TILT DOWN To reveal theyve just walked past the dead German Shepherds, now swarmed with BUZZING FLIES.
Or since I knew it was McGavin watching, why write:
The squad is being watched.
It may sound as if I didn't enjoy this script. I did. You have interesting characters. An action charged scenario. It feels like it could be more of a heart-pounder if the action took the focus and the emotional motivation for McGavin were the undercurrent. Thanks for a good read. read -
A review of From Hell I Cameby AMDavidson on 04/03/2008"From Hell I Came" was easy to read and understand. Only one instance on page 72. INT. VARNELL'S TENT where I believe the writer actually used Sherra's name instead of Knight--it was a simple mistake, one easily fixed. Pg. 62 'its' instead of 'it's' (I do that to by accident). I do want to say that I really really liked this story until the point McGavin murdered Bailey... "From Hell I Came" was easy to read and understand. Only one instance on page 72. INT. VARNELL'S TENT where I believe the writer actually used Sherra's name instead of Knight--it was a simple mistake, one easily fixed.
Pg. 62 'its' instead of 'it's' (I do that to by accident).
I do want to say that I really really liked this story until the point McGavin murdered Bailey. I thought I was in for some kind of cool vengeful ghost story with a clever twist that never came. Not even the ending was surprise, and I had to admit that I was let down by every single characters story arc.
At first I felt for Sherra, who I had a strong empathy for in the beginning that became stronger when I realized that she was being raped by the COs at the prison. I could understand why she risked escaping and recapture. After her scene with Knight and her subsequent capture, I didn't understand her arc, was she just a beat for the main struggle between McGavin and Varnell? When McGavin found her in the log hollow there was "recognition" there. I kept waiting for something... did he simply just recognize her as a fugitive? I also didn't like that in the end she was simply recapture to face not only escape charges but murder charges. You could have Knight allow Sherra go free after Sherra tells her what happened in prison, and Knight realizes that McGavin and Varnell are the true 'monsters' in the scope of things. I believe there was no reason for Knight's death or Sherra's recapture. It might be a good thing to end Sherra's arc in this story on a more ambiguous note with her running off into the woods.
On pg 85 when Knight told Varnell:
You dont even care about Sherra
James, do you? Hell, maybe you
never did.
Do you mean "This was never about Sherra James"? Meaning the whole chase through the woods was always about Varnell amd McGavin. When you used "cared" I thought Sherra had some relationship to Varnell or McGavin.
Varnell seemed like a standup guy, wise and a person who others looked up to. I did like him at first, until more and more it seemed he had a history with McGavin. When you revealed Varnell covered up the murder of McGavin's wife and son, I was confused at first. I do not believe he would ever choose his fellow lawmen over his brother, sister-in-law and nephew. He calls the rapists 'my boys' and I wanted to believe he meant that literally so the coverup would make more sense. I could see that it would be hard to chose between his own sons and his brother. That's the only way I can make sense of why Varnell would cover up this henious crime. It would make more sense that Varnell would be so enraged that he would kill his own deputies.
McGavin, his wife raped beaten killed, his son beaten and killed he goes crazy, kills lots of people. I kept waiting for some big reveal on McGavin like he was a ghost, but he was just a pissed off crazy vet killing people, any one, who crossed his path... except Sherra. I do realize after the fact that he killed Creed and Jenkins as vengence for the two lawmen who killed his wife and son, but I didn't make the connection at first because Creed and Jenkins have no direct connection to the two faceless/nameless lawmen rapists. Maybe Creed or Jenkins has red hair or something to remind McGavin. What ever happened to the redheaded rapist?
How to improve: I feel there has to be a more compelling reason for Varnell to betray his brother over the rape and murder of Ethel and the brutal murder of Lucas. I think there should be a reason for Sherra's involvement with this... because if I were her, I would have run for the friggin' hills instead of hanging around with a loony vet killing everyone. Baily's death was pointless... at least I could semi sorta understand Creed and Jenkins, but not Bailey. And Knight, I think she needs to live and learn a lesson even if it's as simple as realizing that Sherra was nothing in the bigger picture and letting her go. Knight's death was pointless and actually pissed me off as did Sherra's rearrest.
I think this might work better as a vengeful ghost story and maybe the rapist are cousins... jealous contenders for Ethel? A coverup would make more sense then.
Good luck with the story. I hope my comments help.
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A review of From Hell I Cameby alitta on 04/03/2008You started great with a very engaging scence and you kept up the pace in a well-structured story for the whole length of the screenplay. I was a little disappointed with your choices towards the end of the film. I suppose if you had a choice you want your beginning to be the strongest part of the film even if it lags towards the end. Spoiler alert. In particular, I didn't... You started great with a very engaging scence and you kept up the pace in a well-structured story for the whole length of the screenplay. I was a little disappointed with your choices towards the end of the film. I suppose if you had a choice you want your beginning to be the strongest part of the film even if it lags towards the end.
Spoiler alert.
In particular, I didn't understand why Knight had to suffer the fate she did. In most stories a character like hers would be used to restore the status quo. Ie. have her capture and return the escaped fugitive.
A bigger problem I couldn't get past is the underlying mystery resolution, the cornerstone of your twist. If my own family was involved, I couldn't care less whether the perpetrators were wearing badges or angel wings, my loyalties would remain with my family no matter what. I think most of your audience would echo my sentiment. Make the relevant characters Vietnam buddies or something. The betrayal would be more plausible if less jarring.
I gave you *good* on your structure and I think it's as good as it possibly could be. I think the genre limits you to how much rising action you can develop. People have to die in these stories in an episodic manner and all you can do is make their demise more and more visceral. You did all that very successfully I thought.
I was really impressed by your dialogue. It was easy to distinguish between characters and they didn't all sound alike. You had more time to do this with your second batch of cops than with the first one, but I was really impressed how you managed to pull that off.
I would perhaps re-evaluate some of the language you use in your description. I realize the need to use off-color language in dialogue, especially with these characters, but I don't know if I'd use it in the description quite so much. Ie. p4. "No one says a damn thing."
Another issue that I had with was the nature of McGavin. You set him up as an almost supernatural being in the beginning. A Satanic force of nature. This is reinforced by your title as well. Yet quickly you shift gears and make him a vulnerable mortal. Later on when he deals with Kenn he becomes supernatural again but off-screen (I'd make it on-screen btw). At the end he is mortal again. Perhaps you did this on purpose in which case the fault may lie with me, but I was confused as to the actual source of his power. Is it beyond the grave or is it just Rambo-based?
I gave this a consider. If you addressed my above laid out qualms, I'd give it a recommend, but I suppose I am not your only audience.
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**DELETED ACCOUNT** on 12/30/2008
Hi Post,
thanks for the review, you identified the two areas that absolutely have driven me nuts: how to work Benny into the story by imperiling him to the nth degree; and how to bring this story to a shattering climax (no innuendo intended!).
Originally, my thought was that showing Angela's internal/soul battle with the demon would lead me to the right conclusion, but it obviously isn't enough.
I like your idea of ending the story in New York and may try and figure out a way to tie that in with an attack on Ben.
Many thanks,
John -
**DELETED ACCOUNT** on 05/08/2008
Re: FHIC
You're a solid writer, and some of your dialogue had me cracking up unexpectedly. Felt fresh...natural.
I still place my bets on the lengthy title. And with that title, I feel you have an obligation to live up to it.
Whoa...That sounded slightly immodest. Let me say, then, and I pray it's okay do do it here, since I've already carved my initials...I like the concept more than the story. "Like" is so weak, so I counter my last opinion with this one:
I love tales of revenge.
I know it's a human condition, requiring such a base level of emotions, breeding more hate and violence and sorrow and loss, but that illusion of redemption just feels so good, so right.
Please, stay with me. I believe you might garner a nugget from this mining...
All of your characters had a presence. Some I liked more than others. For instance, the two female leads just felt flat. (Forgive me, I "feel" a lot.) They were two dimensional, which is such a bullsh*t critique, because rarely are characters three dimensional on paper...It requires an actor's talent and intuition to bring out the character's essence. I digress...I just wanted more from both Knight and Sherra. And it had less to do with what you wrote and more to do with who they were, prior to this story. Granted, I realize there is a challenge, creating a new world with a dozen different individuals in only 105 formatted pages.
Still, we're all putting ourselves out there, boldly, for the purpose of progression and evolution as writers/filmmakers.
SPOILERS -- PROCEED WITH EXTREME CAUTION or not at all!
Working backwards...I like the very end. An appropriate closure for such a slaughter of lives, families torn and years lost. Though, I didn't care that Knight was dead or that Sherra was going back to the slammer. What did Knight have to risk, besides her unknown existence? What did Sherra have to learn, besides that crime doesn't pay? Were they both there solely to back up McGavin's flashbacks...
Which brings me to the flashbacks. Why? How could you have told the same story without using that disrupting tactic? What would happen if you didn't show flashbacks? Would people really be at a loss as to why McGavin flipped a switch and went on a killing spree? If you go back over your story, there are plenty of places where you reveal this truth in exposition and insert shots...
Which brings me to McGavin. Is he supernatural or just a man who has been living in the wild for over twenty years, waiting for this unique opportunity to get back with you-know-who? If so, then make him WILD. Really f*cking wild. That would give Sherra the role of Beauty to his Beast. 'Cause if my family were to have been brutally slaughtered before my eyes, and I wanted revenge, it would have happened swiftly. But if for some reason it didn't or I couldn't, and I ended up living in the woods for over two decades, then, you better believe I'd be one crazy mother-f*cker, and boy what a field day I'd have, if by chance, everyone converged in my known universe.
And if you were apprehensive with the RAMBO comparisons, I believe you wouldn't have made him a vet, in the woods with a knife and a cop as a predator who becomes the prey. But since you deliberately went that way, use it. And he better know every crook and cranny and soul out there...
Which leads me to Bailey. He felt familiar. Worn. He was the only one I cared about, when it came to dying, and I was confused as to why you offed him so easily and without due cause. Insanity? Like I said, if you're going to use a card, then use it. If McGavin's become a babbling, crazy MF, then so be it. But you established this camaraderie that felt so genuine and everlasting. Why not make him a witness to the initial crime and have him killed by the hand of Varnell, fueling the fire even more? I'm sorry, but I just didn't believe it or wanted it, and as an audience member, that is crucial.
Kenn is great. You could exploit the comedy on that one, even more. And you are funny, Doug.
Creed brought up a lot of laughs, as well. Key points, here.
Like I said, in a previous comment, this script is not HORROR. It's horrible what happens to McGavin and his family, as well as every one that got in his way, but it's not a horror film. You could make it a horror film with a few adjustments. Make McGavin more monstrous and unknown. I wasn't afraid of his personage. I felt for his family, but I didn't feel for him. My suggestion, laying deep within all my words, is:
Distant McGavin from us. Make him more animal. Give Sherra a purpose. He trusts her, for what ever reason, because she looks like his wife, doesn't matter, but he wants to protect her, from a distance, while exacting his long awaiting revenge. Twenty years plus? Unless he just literally got burped out of the kingdom of Hell, because all points were aligned for him to do so, then make it believable, or make him -- redundancy -- one crazy MF.
Make Bailey a helpless, inactive witness to the brutal crime, giving him an unease to his reconnection with McGavin, giving more credibility, if you decide to have McGavin kill him, after all.
What if Knight already knew the truth? Or what if Knight was a mother? Or what if Knight had second thoughts of arresting Sherra and then, McGavin, in his wide spread destruction, kills her, as an act of love or protection or projection for/on Sherra?
Doug, please, forgive me if I have gone to far...cross the line, it's just that you are a writer, for real, and this script has promise, and I just wanted to convey to you my insights, whether they're right or wrong, helpful or not.
Please, I am quite open. Let me know...
Karl -
**DELETED ACCOUNT** on 05/07/2008
(Possible SPOILERS ahead.)
I wanted to say, "Hi", and let you know I'm reading FHIC. Doing a bit of unassigned, extracurricular reading these days.
You (both of you?) are a talented and skilled writer. Over the years, I've noticed, it's quite a gift to be both. I wouldn't be surprised if you working as a reader or a SD in LA. (No clue where you're based.)
First off, and by no means is this my (complete) review, keep the title, especially if you plan on producing this film yourself. Otherwise, BLOOD JUSTICE will do just fine for a straight to rental.
It's refreshing to read a present day writer who isn't boxed in by current, industry standards. I'm referring to your blatant use of camera angles. Right on...I'm from that generation. I so want to use description, like, "We look across the skyline -- three Mi-28 combat helicopters cut through, heading straight towards us." Alas, I buckle in to modern day protocol.
But you're writing it as you see it. The flow shows. I'm in the action...
Which leads me to question the genre. Horror? Would you define KILL BILL or RAMBO or MAN ON FIRE as horror? I'm half-way through, so I shouldn't jump to conclusions, ha-ha, but so far, it's not horror...to me.
(The monster has been revealed, and the terror/suspense ends at page 17(so to speak ).)
One point in story structure I wanted to share, that I found jolting as a reader, is that the flashbacks in the first Act are, so far, unnecessary. It took me out of the action. I don't need reason, yet, why McGavin is doing this...Suspend my curiosity and work my imagination. And I don't need to know how mistreated Sherra was as a prisoner. I'm not going to feel for or against anyone more because of it.
I need to end this comment before I breach the "word" limit. Before it becomes a message.
Lastly, I really liked how you just named the posse in the first Act without giving description. Their dialogue and action spoke for them, alone. That's good writing!
All the best! -
**DELETED ACCOUNT** on 05/07/2008
dbenamor on 04/14/2008
I agree with David, I haven't read the script either but Blood Justice sounds like something I might see on FX at 2pm on a Saturday. From Hell I Came is a vicious title, much stronger. -
David Muhlfelder on 04/03/2008
I haven't read this script yet, but I saw in the production notes that you're thinking of changing the title. I love the current title. It's poetic and intriguing. Blood Justice sounds too generic. Just my $0.02.
David -
**DELETED ACCOUNT** on 03/17/2008
Your review tickled me. Even gave me a chuckle. One or two good ideas, though, which is rare these days. Thanks for the read and review. And, oh, yeah, P. S., a little screenwriting history . . . to many notable screenwriters 25 rewrites is just warming up. Two spring to mind -- Steve Martin on Roxanne, 28 rewrites. Marty, 22, Double Indemnity, 24, and on and on it goes. I do appreciate your humourous, good natured approach though. Enjoy the day! Tom -
bloodmeridian2004 on 03/10/2008
Kudos for the top ten! -
heat_wave187 on 03/06/2008
blue star... nice...
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Very nice. If your a fan of Elliott Smith and Baby Britain check out this cover done by Australian band Circle.
0Posted on Jan 16th, 2011 | re: The 20 Most Overlooked LPs Of 2010 (145 comments)
A very nice comprehensive list. I have been looking for some albums that I have overlooked this year and I think I may have found a few that have averted my attention. A personal favorite of mine that wasn't on your list was a band from Sydney, Circle, and their new album.


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Pony World Deluxe
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Pony World is filled with the fun and adventure of a lovely pony you choose and control yourself. You are the one who decides whether that pony leads a peaceful life with his/her family, taking care of a spouse and children, or whether he devotes his timeto working, farming or having fun. The game also gives you the chance to try many additional minigames such as the beauty contest, races or exciting memory games. Money gained by your pony will allow you to extend and decorate your farm. You can plant evergreen trees and fruit trees that will supply you with food, beautiful fountains and colorful umbrellas as well as decorative stones, flowers, bushes and plenty of different, fascinating scenery. What's more, if you have a desire for trading you can develop your farm for profitable agriculture. Or you can just enjoy your life with visits to the disco or theatre every day, launch fireworks on the farm or play football and hopscotch. The wide variety of choices and developments will give you plenty of entertainment.
And all of that only in Pony World! System Requirements: Mac OSX 10.3.9 or later. Mac PowerPC/Intel |