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I have seed for:
Caspian Pink Black Plum Sungold (now I see I should buy these) Brandywine Cherokee Purple Mortgage Lifter Black Krim Ananas Noir Super 100's (just bought) Other than any of the above, what is your absolute favorite for sweetness and best taste? Or if you recommned NOT growing any of the above, I would like to hear that as well. I am tired of flavorless storebought fruit from store shelves or Walmart plants.
Follow-Up Postings:
- Posted by cyrus_gardner 8 (My Page) on Wed, Mar 31, 10 at 23:17
- Posted by hoosiercherokee IN6 (My Page) on Thu, Apr 1, 10 at 0:16
I think you will find all of those to have variably sweet, tomatoey flavor with the Sun Gold and Super 100 probably the sweetest, the Cherokee Purple complex, sweet, wine-like tomato flavor, Ananas Noir on the sweet side and fruity, and Brandywine and Caspian Pink being old fashioned, rich tomato flavored. You'll have to decide for yourself which is the best tasting tomato. |
I can't wait to try sungold this year, it should be really sweet like everyone says. As for beefsteaks I prefer a less sweet, more old fashioned flavor. Caspian pink is good, I am growing it again this year, but it is on the sweet side. Still makes a good sandwich and I also pile a few into sauce. |
Best Tasting: Brandywine Sweetest: Momotaro Sweetest Cherry: SunGold |
So in otherwords, what I have chosen is the best to start experiemnting. I traded for all but the super100, So I guess I will have to find some sungold to buy. Since I read you cant save those seed. Tammy |
- Posted by hoosiercherokee IN6 (My Page) on Thu, Apr 1, 10 at 9:10
No. No one said the list you chose "is the best" for anything in particular. You just listed a few of several thousand tomato varieties that happen to have good eating qualities. "Most sweetest," aside from being a double superlative, can only be determined by testing for sugar content. And "best tasting" is subjective. What most people are saying is give those a run and find out whether you like them or not. They all are good tomatoes, and each has its own good and bad qualities. |
Oh Ok, what I was wondering if those I chose "were" among the top sweetest and best? I if there was anything else you would recommend to try as being the sweetest. Tammy |
Not everyone agrees that sweetest are best tasting. At the organic gardening talk I attended, the professional tomato grower said that if you like sweet tomatoes, plant pink. |
- Posted by spiced_ham z5 OH (My Page) on Thu, Apr 1, 10 at 10:37
You have several different flavor types there I would group-rank them this way Brandywine - complex tomatoey-sweetish Black Krim - complex- earthy, my favorite Ananas noire, sweet, fruity, very pretty when cut, or really ugly depending on how you look at things. Fun to grow. Black Plum - I was unimpressed. Seedy like large cherry, flavor was so-so. Huge plant lots of fruit, but can't cook with it because of high seed/gel to flesh ratio. I won't grow it again. All in all I think you have a pretty good selection of flavor ranges. Caspian pink and Mortgage Lifter are probably interchangable but you don't need both. I would go for something like Neves Azorean Red, Omars Lebanese, Kosovo, Anna Russian or any one of several others instead of either one. |
Thanks so much for the info. That really helps a lot spiced_ham Tammy |
Sorry Tammy but there is no answer to your question. ;) It will be totally different for all - depending on their taste buds. Even the same variety will taste very different depending on their growing conditions, the weather, what fertilizers are used, etc. So all the answers you get will just be personal opinions - and they vary a great deal. Search 'taste' here (search bar at the bottom of the page) to see what I mean if you want to read through lots of previous discussions. Best way to find out is to grow as many different ones as you have room for and see which one tastes the best to you. Dave |
Hi Tammy, Unfortunately, you will have to decide for yourself what is the sweetest tomato for you and your area. And digdirt is correct. A tomato that you are totally gaga over one year might be the biggest disappointment in the garden the next year. There are so many variables that can affect your tomatoes. In fact, you can have a great deal of variation in a single season. If you water your garden, then it rains heavily for several days, your tomatoes will likely have a watered down flavor compared to what you would get under "normal" circumstances. (Not that you can really consider anything about farming/gardening as normal.) That is one reason experienced gardeners will usually give a new variety a second try if the results weren't what they expected the first time. BT,DT. Bets |
Thanks Dave, and Bets. That explains a lot. Tammy |
The good thing is most tomatoes are productive so even if half of those work out you will have plenty. You are missing a round red. There is a thread on here round, red, and reliable if it hasn't been lost. Next year when you order pick up one of those. |
helenh, I do have some early girl I bought. I forgot about those. I have never ate anything but red's, so I dont know how these others are going to go over. Tammy |
Stick with the new ones, you'll like them. |
And I will second (third?) the "it completely depends on where you are gowing them" because I also am a "sweet tomato person", and ones I have tried that are many people's favorites are BLECH in my climate and soil (i.e. Isis Candy and Cherokee Purple, to name two) Your best bet is to do what you are doing, ask everyone, try their favorites, and see if you like how they taste in your garden. If the tomatoes everyone else loves are not sweet to you, assume it is because their soil/climate is different than yours. That being said, in hot sunny Sacramento, my favorite sweeties are Jetsetter, Moskvich, Giant Belgium, Homesweet, Miracle Sweet, Sungold, Golden Honey Bunch, Tami-G, and last but not least, the tomato that won me $2500 for being the sweetest tomato in Sacramento, Jumbo Jim Orange. Carla in Sac |
- Posted by fusion_power 7b (My Page) on Fri, Apr 2, 10 at 22:47
Arguably you have a good list of varieties to grow, but when you ask for sweetness, you are pushing the envelope pretty far. Most sweet tomatoes have relatively little tomato flavor. The current sweetest cherry on the market is Sungold, but that is about to change. There is a cherry tomato in the works from seminis that will brix 12 even under poor conditions. We may see it on the market next season. The absolute sweetest and best flavored tomato I have tasted is a segregating selection from a cross of Sungold and Little Lucky. If it can be stabilized, it will set a new standard for good tasting and sweet tomatoes. Here's hoping it makes the cut. The more varieties you have grown, the better the comparison you can make of good versus average flavor. I've grown well over 1000 varieties. DarJones |
- Posted by kottonbail 7 (My Page) on Fri, Apr 2, 10 at 23:29
According to totally tomatoes 2010 seed catalog page 19 the sweetest heirloom is the Giant belgium . "so sweet that some growers use them to make wine" |
Thanks Darjones. sounds like you have quite a bit of experience. I have only had experience with 4-5 common store bought varieties. So I really dont even know what a real sweet tomato taste like. I really doubt these common ones stand up to the others. I am going to try several new ones this yr. The only old standby I have is early girl. Tammy |
- Posted by John Ohio(firstname.lastname@example.com) onMon, Jan 10, 11 at 9:05
I agree that each person will have to check what is the "best" taste according to their own palate and preference. That being said, here are my picks. 1. Purple Russian. Plum type (shaped like roma) Low acid, aromatic, and (subjectively) sweet with great tomato flavor. Does not need salt for tasty fresh eating. Makes incredible sauces and salsas, too. Drawback - fruits crack easily if you get a rain near harvest time, I usually pick mine a bit green and let them ripen on the counter. 2. Caspian pink - different complex of flavor than purple russian, but many of the same comments could apply. Almost a beefsteak type, not at all a plum-type like purple russian. I've found they make tasty sauce, but need a lot more cooking because of more water in them. 3. Black Krim. Think a beefsteak type of Purple Russian with some earthy-ness (almost hints of a root vegetable) in the aroma. NOTE - all of the above are INDETERMINATE types, which means the vines will go crazy and spread everywhere. Unlike determinate types, these will not form a nice upright compact bush. They need staked, and the flimsy wire cages from the store will be too small and also too weak to hold them. I build a ladder-trellis from 1x2 wooden slats for mine, with 6 inch squares all along, and secured at the ends of the row with steel "T" fence posts. I've had Purple Russian vines that were 8 feet high. |
my faves are cherokee purple for eating, san marzano for sauce making and sun gold for cherry. i have grown roughly 150 types of tomato over the years. sun golds do tend to crack like crazy though... |
Everyone will say taste is subjective. This is my experience: Black Plum: small, not bad tasting, prolific but TONS of gel and seeds and volunteers everywhere if you let any fruit hit the ground... Not overly impressed. Cute little bugger tho. Sungold: Very sweet, prolific - a value add for sure. Brandywine: my experience has not been positive. VERY sparse with fruit (not complaining) but I didn't find the taste to be that great in my garden. I'm in Z5 MA and it really didn't do it for me. Ananas Noir: Not impressed. HUGE fruit, odd colored, pretty (UGLY), but not impressed with flavor. BUT lots of people love it. |
- Posted by springlift34 8.5 (My Page) on Mon, Jan 10, 11 at 22:36
What I think is the fun of thinking about the sweetest tomato you've ever had. For me, a first-time grower of tomatoes with a choice of: Red Brandywine, Pink Brandywine, Early Girl, Arkansas T, Beefsteak, German Pink, Big Boy, Mr.Stripey, Black Krim, and Cherokee Purple...... I would choose the Black Krim with the German Pink a close second. Although there was that day that all the Travveler's came in and a bunch a people were over and one thing led to another. Bacon on a platter, tomatoes on a platter, and a loaf of bread. Its all good. Also, I like to taste test my tomatoes from the lower side. Half inch or so,cut, and eat the bowl leaving the skin....at first. Anyone...?? |
- Posted by iam3killerbs 7 NC Sandhills (My Page) on Tue, Jan 11, 11 at 7:00
The tastiest tomato I ever ate was one of the big, red-yellow marbled ones, probably Pineapple (my memory is a little hazy 25 or 30 years later). It was grown by my uncle in soil he'd tended and enriched for 40 years -- which may have contributed to the perfection. IMO, tomato sweetness isn't as important to the flavor as the correct balance of sweetness and acidity. To take some extremes as examples, I find Supersweet 100 too candy-sweet and lacking in depth (I loved the old, original Sweet 100), while Rutgers, though unsurpassed as a canning tomato, is too acid and not sweet enough for optimum table use. My tastebuds find their perfect balance in the older beefsteaks, both heirloom and hybrid. If your portion of WV is climatically similar to PA north of Pittsburgh and you have heavy, yellow-clay soil you are likely to find that the Big Boys and Supersteaks that grow like weeds for my father do well for you. Your tastebuds may not agree with mine or anyone else's but experimenting with various varieties over the years is part of the fun of gardening. Enjoy the journey. |
- Posted by rod_noomio 5 (My Page) on Thu, Feb 17, 11 at 13:32
Apparently, none of you has grown and tasted Sunsugar, an orange cherry. According to the Pinetree Super Seeds catalog, the Sun Gold has a brix rating of 8, while the Sunsugar has a brix rating of 10. My previous favorite for sweetness had been Sweet Million, but Sunsugar has replaced it. |
- Posted by tn_veggie_gardner 7 (My Page) on Thu, Feb 17, 11 at 14:19
I would vote for Sungold or Sweet Million, but I have yet to grow Sunsugar, so it may very well be the sweetest. Sungold is deffinitely up there though. :) |
Sweetie cherry tomato is the sweetest tomato with Suncherry second to that. I have never found sungold to be "sweet" but it is our favorite because it has that big tomato flavor in a small package. We tried the German Stripe last year and it had no flavor. Kellogg's Breakfast was delicious! We also grew Aunt Ruby's German Green and it had the right blend of spice, tang and sweet. Taste is so subjective. ;-) |
- Posted by laspasturas 7a (My Page) on Thu, Feb 17, 11 at 14:49
I actually really like the flavor of Black Plums (used them in Annie's Salsa last year, too), but I wouldn't call them sweet at all. My Ananas Noires were mild and lightly sweet. Personally, I'm not that big on sweet tomatoes, but my grandmother loves them and her favorite last year was White Currant. |
- Posted by gardenunusual 5a (My Page) on Thu, Feb 17, 11 at 16:36
I grew sungold from a plant I bought from a nursery last year. They were sweet, and I was picking every day. |
Cherokee Purple. I have not found any other that is even close. I grow Brandywine Pink and Red, Morgage Lifters, and this year, in addition to the above, Pineapple, Golden Egg,Amish Pasta. Still looking for one better than Cherokee. |
- Posted by behlgarden 9 (My Page) on Mon, Oct 17, 11 at 19:15
I love Brandywine but equally loved chocolate strioes, itamian heirloom and 1884 tomatoes from Tomatofest. All were delicious, sweet, and had right amount of acid. |
- Posted by nordfyr315 5 (My Page) on Tue, Oct 18, 11 at 14:41
Kumato was bred for high sugar content. A very nice tomato and it grows true if you save seeds from store bought fruit. |
The sweetest beefsteak tomato that I have grown is the Mr Stripey. There is a smaller cultivar with the same name but I have yet to grow it. The large one drops blossoms and is a late producer but some get bigger than a softball and are very sweet. Two cherries that I thought were very good were Jenny Hrbrid and Orange Paruque. Both are hybrids,orange in color and very sweet. |
- Posted by dickiefickle 5B DousmanWi. (My Page) on Tue, Oct 18, 11 at 22:59
Q: " What is most sweetest, best tasting tomato?" A: One that has sugar sprinkled on it . |
- Posted by californian 10 (My Page) on Thu, Oct 20, 11 at 21:50
I will never grow Caspian Pink again, 90% of the fruit rotted or got sun scald. Black Cherry is over rated in my opinion, I don't think its very sweet at all. Brandywine makes too many mis-shapen fruit for me. Of your list the two I would plant for sure are Cherokee Purple and Sun Gold, and maybe Black Krim. |
Earl's Faux http://www.feldoncentral.com/garden/photos/v/memberphotos/earl/earlsfaux/ |
I really do prefer Ananas Noir It is simply superb with a nice blend of everything. Sweetness, flavors, sugars. Best all around. I also like Black Cherry. I was finally able to grow these this year, my third try. |
Wog1, glad to hear that. I just started a couple of them the other day primarily for the color (yellow, green, and pink in one fruit? Yes please!), and its good to hear that its worth eating as well. =) |
Your not going to get a strait asnswere here, half of these people work for seed companies. |
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- Posted by roamwhereiwant2 (My Page) on Fri, Mar 9, 12 at 16:10
"Your not going to get a strait asnswere here, half of these people work for seed companies." sic No, that's sure not true. |
- Posted by newyorkrita z6b/7a LI NY (My Page) on Sat, Jul 28, 12 at 17:21
Most of these tomatoes listed I have never even tried to grow. One mentioned I did try thyree different times was Mortage Lifter. Never did do well for me, sorry. |
- Posted by greygoat100 6b n w arkansas (My Page) on Sun, Jul 29, 12 at 11:22
tennessee britches is a excellent tomato both taste and production, will be in my garden every year. gleckler seed co. has them fred |
The sweetest for me is Ramapo it is an heirloom from a farm in NJ not a box store and the reason is its the only one I can get to grow LOL |
- Posted by harveyhorses 7 Midlothian Va (My Page) on Tue, Jul 31, 12 at 10:01
So many Tomatoes, so little time. Last year my Brandywines were so so, this year they are awesome. Maybe they like triple digits. Black Krims are pathetic this year, Cherokee Purples are doing great. I don't think there can be a straight, or right, answer. Just keep trying till you find your own true love. |
- Posted by suncitylinda 9A SoCal INland (My Page) on Tue, Jul 31, 12 at 10:11
"Your not going to get a straight answer here, half of these people work for seed companies" You are mistaken. It is fairly common and a courtesy when posters mention where they purchased the seed. Since there are thousands of different tomato varieties, locating a particular one can be time consuming. |
I agree with whomever it was that said,"The best tomato is one that has the proper balance between sweetness and acidity.", And with all the folks who said ,"It varies with the growing conditions and individual tastes." My long time standby for flavor and proplifics is Rutgers, but for flavor I prefer Earls Faux. I tried Black Krim and Cherokee Purple for the first time this year. To me the Krim was lacking in acidity. The Purple is very good. My neighbor grows Early Girl only because it's early and better than Gro store tomatos but not a lot. Lol |
Cherokee Purple Black Krim I planted early May this year and these set on before the high temps. These were large and I could not tell the taste difference between the two. Big Beef have been a fav but are very small this year. Rutgers set on heavy early but the later ones have something funky going on with the fruit. Have only had 2 Brandywine to set on and have few blooms on the new growth on any of my 16 plants right now. |
- Posted by fruitmaven.WIz5 5 (My Page) on Tue, Jul 31, 12 at 21:23
In zone 5 WI, hot/dry June and rain the past two weeks, my Sungold are consistently amazing and sweet. Huge, prolific plants as well. Cherokee Purple, Green Zebra, and Roma are disappointing so far. Perhaps it's because I'm comparing it to the Amish Paste (Roma-shaped, but juicy). Amish Paste was so sweet, complex, and lovely I almost cried. Good luck experimenting with different varieties! |
- Posted by dickiefickle 5B Dousman,Wi. (My Page) on Wed, Aug 1, 12 at 3:28
Persimmon and Ferris Wheel |
Chocolate Stripes. Delicious! Cindy |
Well what won this years Tomatopaloza was the "Mexico Midget" and one called "Shannon's". Here are the voting results. Shannon's and Mexico Midget (tied at 5 votes each) I pretty much agreed with the results although to me the best tasting was Cossack Pineapple with the Mexico Midget second. The Mexico Midget which was VERY tiny, like the size of a regular pencil eraser on the end of a #2 pencil was very good amazingly. Almost sweet with a very nice tomato flavor. |
- Posted by TomatoTerry (My Page) on Sun, Jan 27, 13 at 5:04
I live in the far south of New Zealand and am addicted to tomatoes - have them every morning on toast - yummy! My father grew them in a glasshouse as long as I can remember. He only grew one variety called potentate. It was medium sized, very sweet/sharp tomato flavour and loved by everyone in our neighbourhood. Recently I have started growing tomatoes also, and my favourites for sweetness have to be the cheery ones: sweet 100 and this year black cherry - it is simply amazing - complex flavour and quite prolific - the one plant I tried has grown to a huge size (in a glasshouse) and is currently in full production - i am picking daily (and loving it!!). Outdoors I am growing the ever reliable Russian Red - it can handle cool nights and has amazing flavour. I like to try one or two new varieties and my next one will be SunGold - I have 5 plants ready to grow in our glasshouse and hope it is as good as everyone here says. Happy Gardening..! |
The great thing is that you'll eat a lot of fresh tomatoes trying to figure it all out. I have taste tested many on your list, some of which are regulars every year for me. I really like black krim, and brandywine for eating. I grow cherokee purple every year, and for me, it's a good slicer but not the best. I grow it for production, size, beauty and to provide diversity for my sauces. My favorite fresh slicer is Julia child. I think it's fantastic because it has a complex flavor with high sugar and has a tart after finish. The sweetest tomato I have grown to date was Amana Orange, and it was tasty. Other varieties that have gotten my attention are Brandywine OTV, Bull's Heart, Italian heirloom, and most of the blacks |
Thanks for all the fantastic replies. These help to narrow down my search. Funny, i am now on my second seed order since i started this. I recently ordered Opalka, Omar's lebanese, better Boy, and considering Stupice. Not to mention the seeds i already have acquired thru GW trades etc. Tammy |
Here is a link that might be useful: My seed supply
- Posted by habitat_gardener z9 CA/Sunset15 (My Page) on Mon, Feb 4, 13 at 22:43
Opalka, Caspian Pink, and Black Plum are among my favorites. For a sweet tomato, SunSugar F1 tastes better than Sungold F1. Sungold is prone to splitting (even in dry summers) and has an aftertaste that I find unpleasant. The first one is good, but I get tired of them early in the season, whereas I like the SunSugars all season. I grew Striped German last year and it was juicy and sweet. I'm not sure I'll grow it again, because it too juicy for tomato sandwiches, but it was great on its own. Also, it was a late tomato, and I got a lot of them all at once. Pink tomatoes are among the sweetest. I've also liked Marianna's Peace, Marizol Bratka, and Pruden's Purple. |
- Posted by obionriver 6 (My Page) on Mon, Feb 25, 13 at 21:03
Tennessee Britches is sweet but complex, with hints of acidity, but balanced more to the sweet side. A very dense and juicy tomato. If raised right, it beats all others, including Cherokee Purple. |
Favorites, favorites, favorites. It really does depend on where and how you grow them. Soil conditions, temperatures, sunlight, watering, ALL of these can make a BIG difference from one garden to another, and even in the same garden from year to year. In addition, with some tomatoes it matters a LOT about when you pick them. Some tomatoes need to be picked just as they barely ripen, and taste bad if too ripe. Others don't reach full complexity until they are good and ripe. So you need to experiment with each type. Just because you don't get the same results with a tomato that someone else has reported, doesn't mean they aren't great tomatoes. It might all be due to your local conditions, your growing and your picking choices. That being said, I am a BIG fan of SWEET tomatoes. I can't even list all of my favorites, but some of them are: Sungold Green Zebra (Pick before too ripe. Over-ripe not recommended) Mr Stripey (the BICOLOR, not the smaller OTHER type) I could go on more, but try a few of these and you probably won't be disappointed. |
- Posted by suncitylinda 9A SoCal Inland (My Page) on Mon, Jun 10, 13 at 20:01
Goose Creek is a distinctly sweet tomato, to my taste buds. |
- Posted by spicymeatball none (My Page) on Mon, Jun 10, 13 at 22:41
Taste is subjective as far as best taste goes. I prefer tomatoes to be balanced with tartness and sweetness. And I don't mind if they are on the acidic side since I'm a fan of acidic tartness(I love vinegar) |
Taste is subjective, but there are tomatoes that a great majority will consider TASTY. To me, the aroma is just as important as taste. In that respect I like the ones that sometimes are called "COMPLEX". I have tried and liked : BrandyWine, Cherokee purple, Black Krim, Julia. Otherwise I like juicy and a bit acidic ones too. Not so crazy about sweet ones. |
- Posted by bobincentralMA none (My Page) on Fri, Jun 14, 13 at 22:42
Hi, Well, only second year growing but out of 15 varieties last year - Matt's Wild Cherry by far the sweetest. Since they are small, you'll be doing the two for me, one for the basket while harvesting for the solid month period. A strong second place is Mortgage Lifter and third is Cherokee Purple. Stocking half the space with these. Trying 8 additional new varieties this year due to research and hot tips by people and the desire to only grow great tomatoes. Average and OK ones are NOT ok. Trying Black Krim, Rutgers, Paul Robeson, Dester, Italian Heirloom, Speckled Roman, Lederle, and Belgian. Peace |
My nickname is The Tomatoman - for giving loads of them to neighbors. I've now grown more than 150 varieties (trying 10-12 new ones each year). To me, a perfect tomato is very sweet with just enough acidity to give character. The top 10 best ever (in no order) to my taste buds: Lemon Boy Lemon Boy has been absolutely sweet and delicious wherever I've grown it - midwest, Oregon, coastal and mountains of CA. It is also one of the most prolific and problem-free. It and the Red Pear (for snacking) are two "must-grows" each year. Tye Dye is wonderful - if you wait to pick it. It seems to color up way before being fully ripe and sweet. I found it to have a great ability to set fruit in hot weather, when other varieties took a break. This coming season I'll be trying Blush, Purple Russian, Honey Hybrid, Omar's Lebanese, Momotaro, and Red Garden Peach for the first time. From the other postings, seems like real good eating ahead. Isn't it fun to start little bitty seeds that turn into big tasty tomatoes? |
- Posted by MsMorningSong 10A (My Page) on Sat, Dec 28, 13 at 8:46
Last spring my favorites tied with Isis Candy and Pearly Pink. I didn't have time/space to grow any of the big maters out, but loved the two I'd chosen. This year be growing a lot more types, and sure my tastes will change. |
- Posted by Sm1nts2escape 6 (My Page) on Sun, Feb 16, 14 at 3:54
Last year I grew tomatoes for the first time. I did a lot of reading/research and grew two cherries. Sungold and Sweet Baby Girl. Sungold was definitely sweeter and at it's peek almost reminded me of a grape. Sweet baby girl had a very good tomato flavor almost like drinking a v8 without all the salt, it didn't crack good size and pretty sweet but the taste of the sungold won hands down for me. This year I am growing Sungold, Nectar, Sweet Chelsea, Sunchocola, Kelloggs Breakfast, Black Krim, Black from Tula and San Marzano if it makes it. One guy that does brix test and compares that against acidity says nectar is even sweeter than sungold. I have my hopes up :) I really like the flavor of the kumato I am hoping my brown tomatoes will be even better tasting being they will be home grown. I will report back with taste test once they are ready. |
This is almost 4 year old thread and the question lingers on. Actually it is TWO question in ONE: --- Sweetest ---- AND---- Best Tasting -- There seems to be little debate on sweetness because it is a QUANTITATIVE matter and can be determined by measuring sugar contents. For example, SUSUGAR has a brix of 10. Who can deny that it is not sweet. But "The Best Tasting" is a SUBJECTIVE and personal evaluation. If you like, eg, sweeter tomatoes, then your "the Best" tasting tomato should not tast tangy and acidic. Look somewhere else. I personally like variety of tastes, color and aroma. I prefer Red over PINK and ORANGE over pale YELLOW. |
- Posted by RyseRyse_2004 5 (My Page) on Sun, Feb 16, 14 at 10:57
Several years ago we did a blind taste test to find the best tasting sweet tomato. There were 12 " blind people" and Caspian Pink won hands down. Some of the ones in the running were: Brandywine, Mortgage Lifter, Amish Paste, Goliath, Better Boy and don't know what else. BTW, does anyone have Caspian Pink seeds? I can send some Pink Ping Pong and Halms Gelbe in trade. (Picked those because they are unusual and great tasting.) |
I am going to try Sunsugar and Indian Stripe this yr as I have heard they are productive and sweet.Has anyone had experiece with either.I finally found seed for Indian Stripe at Victory seeds.It appears to be hard to find. Tom |
If you wanted to add one more, my pick would be Kellogg's Breakfast or KBX for something sweet and totally different. They both are often on "favorite" lists. I have grown several on your list and Cherokee Purple, Mortgage Lifter (Estler's specifically), and Brandywine are on my must grow every year list. But that may change as I try yet more new ones. :) Sweet 100 is very good and Ananas Noir is on my list to grow this year. |
Red/Yellow bi-color tomatoes are very sweet and can weigh 2 pounds or more. I grow them every yr. |
Also in CHERRY size, Sungold and Sunsugar( brix 8 and 10) are said to be very sweet if not THE sweetest. |
Here's a few suggestions for those trying to decide on tasty tomato varieties. There are a bewildering number of types, but these have proven to be consistently my sweetest and most productive favorites as I've moved around the country. Large reds: It's hard to beat the old classic "Beefsteak" Large yellow: Lemon Boy - ignore the name. It's sweet. Large bicolor: Pineapple or Mary Robinson's Large pink: Pink Girl - super sweet and juicy Medium pink (bush type): Clear Pink Early Medium bicolor: Tie Dye - sets even in midsummer heat Red cherry: Sugar Lump - aka Gardener's Delight Yellow cherry: Sungold Small oddball: Wapsipinicon Peach - delightful sweetness I also have to add Red Pear for garden snacking - very few make it to the house. With the exception of Beefsteak, which has a full rich old-fashioned tomato flavor, all the others have the high levels of sweetness that I prefer. None are bland. Donch - In the foothills of the Sierras, Zone 8A |
Sungold,Momotaro,Jet Star |
- Posted by Sm1nts2escape (My Page) on Tue, Dec 2, 14 at 16:38
"Last year I grew tomatoes for the first time. I did a lot of reading/research and grew two cherries. Sungold and Sweet Baby Girl. Sungold was definitely sweeter and at it's peek almost reminded me of a grape. Sweet baby girl had a very good tomato flavor almost like drinking a v8 without all the salt, it didn't crack good size and pretty sweet but the taste of the sungold won hands down for me. This year I am growing Sungold, Nectar, Sweet Chelsea, Sunchocola, Kelloggs Breakfast, Black Krim, Black from Tula and San Marzano if it makes it. One guy that does brix test and compares that against acidity says nectar is even sweeter than sungold. I have my hopes up :) I really like the flavor of the kumato I am hoping my brown tomatoes will be even better tasting being they will be home grown. I will report back with taste test once they are ready." Well I grew all that I listed and Sungold still came out on top as the sweetest best tasting cherry I have had. Planted one sunsugar as well and I couldn't tell the difference in taste except maybe the skin was just a tiny tiny bit stronger. My kellogs breakfast was grown from seed from rareseeds and the KB was bland, tough and mealy. They did grow to be very large 2lb tomatoes but didnt produce much fruit. The Kumatos I grew didn't produce much they really seem to not like full sun and were just big wilty plants without much fruit. I am not fulling around with them next year. Out of all the full size brown tomatoes the Black from tula was probably my favorite (very tough decision) but no where near as sweet as a sungold. I think the sweetest fullsize tomato I have had is the regular old pink brandywine. Next year I am only growing sungolds, cherokee purple, black krim, black from tula, pink brandywines and san marzanos. I would really like to cross a brandywine with a sungold and also a sungold with a sanmarzano. |
I've gardened in several different states/climates, and have found some tomato varieties that are consistently sweet and delicious - and others that vary area to area, and others that I'll never grow again. Sungold is always a flavor favorite, but Red Pear, Momotaro, Pink Girl, Pineapple, and Lemon Boy are also very sweet and flavorful anywhere that I've grown them. The Red Pear is addictive - can't stop eating the juicy-sweet little gems. Thank goodness the vine produces dozens and dozens of them all season long. |
- Posted by publickman Zn10B CA / Sunset Zn (My Page) on Tue, Dec 2, 14 at 18:26
My favorite is (or was) the Dona, but I have not been able to find it recently, and I did not think to save seeds. It had the best flavor by far of any tomato I have had and had the perfect balance of sweetness to acidity. Everyone that I gave these tomatoes to agreed with me. I always bought the plants, but I guess I will have to settle for seeds if I want to grow them again. Lars |
- Posted by PupillaCharites 9a (My Page) on Thu, Dec 4, 14 at 11:04
Wow, what an enduring thread ... better late to respond than never! My vote: The sweetest tomato is any tomato of 1000's of tomatoes that are generally sweet, is the one you grow yourself, planning, putting care, fertilizing, cultivating, pruning and training if you so choose, and then protecting, and finally harvesting successfully against all odds, blights and critters, on a day filled with warm sunshine or seized from a premature visit of Old Man Winter ... whichever gives you your sweetest mood and if you are lucky, it gets twice as sweet if you can share it. The more you love your tomatoes, the better they seem to taste! "taste is subjective" has been posted here for the last 4 years, and this is how I think about it. Also, first impressions really count. PC |
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Hello, I am a new mommy. My daughter is now 12 days old and in wonderful health. I am so incredibly terrified of her dying that it keeps me up most nights. I get this horrible feeling toward the evening, it feels kind of like being homesick. I will just sit and stare at her, most of the time I end up bawling like a baby. I can't imagine my life without her. I know I shouldn't be so scared of SIDS but my infant brother died when he was 2 1/2 months old. I was too young to remember it but I remember the story very vividly. My mom put him on his stomach like all moms were told to and she checked on him and found him blue. I don't smoke, don't drink. I breastfeed. I can't even let her sleep in the pack n play we put in our room because I can't see her unless I get up. I am currently putting her in her Boppy pillow in the middle of the bed and then I use half of it as my pillow so that my face is right next to her. I don't really sleep at night, it's more of a light rest. I hear every noise she makes. I'm driving myself completely crazy and I can't make it go away. I am planning on getting a movement sensor when she moves to her crib (if I can ever let her) and I have found this Respisense monitor that clips on to her diaper and monitors her breathing. I have to talk to my boyfriend about it but I'm sure I'll be getting that too. The Respisense can be used wherever they sleep but I know a big part of me will be afraid it's not working. I am seriously to the point where I want to get some psychiatric help. I just want to enjoy my baby but my brain is not helping me too much. Has anyone else ever experienced fear like this? Is there any advice you could give me? Thank you so very much in advance. P.S. I know I sound a bit crazy right now, but it is night-time. During the day I'm as normal as the next person! |
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Everyone probably goes through what you're going through a little bit. I still check on my kids at night and they are 4, 6, and 8 years old. You probably need to seeing a doctor for your anxiety. Your hormones are going through major changes right now and that is probably a factor in your fear. I did a little Googling and found an email support group for siblings of SIDS babies. It might help to talk to someone else who has been what you've been through. This is a harder time in being a parent with everyone being so new. It gets a little easier. Take care. |
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I think all parents worry about this. I did in the beginning a lot too. I think my husband was more relaxed about it and eventually I relaxed more too. Just educate yourself and remind yourself of what "not" to do... that's the best you can do. You cannot watch your baby sleeping every minute. Plus, if you are are exhausted you are more likely to make a mistake of any kind. We just put our baby to sleep like they did in the hospital. Try calling a nursing info line and they can suggest specifics for you. |
First of all, I can't imagine how much more fear I'd have about SIDS if I'd had a sibling die of it and had seen the impact on my family. Try to keep things in perspective though (I know...easy for me to say!). You mentioned the most important things - you don't drink, don't smoke, and most importantly, you don't lay your baby on her tummy to sleep. The rate of SIDS has gone down tremendously since the recommendation became that we should lay our babies on their backs to sleep. They just didn't know that back when your baby brother died. Have you thought about getting a bedside sleeper (like the one made by Arm's Reach)? This type of arrangement might give you a lot of comfort without the risks associated with having the baby in the bed with you. Also, I'm glad to hear that you feel "normal" during the day, but do you think it is possible that you might have a touch of post partum depression? PPD also tends to increase anxiety. I think talking with your doctor would be a good idea. I hope that you find ways to feel more relaxed and get some sleep soon. I know that whenever I am feeling anxious about anything, it feels 10x worse if I haven't been sleeping well!!! |
When I read your post, I just had to respond. Although this has nothing to do with pregnancy, I distinctly remember that, prior to getting my period, I would often have these overwhelming feelings of imminent doom. They were horrible. Since you are at a point where your hormones are trying to get back to a normal level, this could have a great bearing. When I first brought my new baby home (many years ago) I also recall mentioning to my doctor my concern about SIDS. His response was that babies (or anyone) instinctively respond to avoid this situation. Just think about what you would do if you awoke to find yourself face down in your pillow. You'd move your head, turn over, or do whatever it takes to get out of this situation. I kept our baby in a bassinet next to my bed for the first few months. As I was always a very sound sleeper, my greatest fear was that I would not wake up. However, I soon discovered that new mothers suddenly acquire "mother's ear" and wake up instantly at the slightest stir of their little one. The fact that you acknowledge your fears is a good step toward overcoming them. However, it would still be wise to mention this to your physician, for it sounds like your hormones are wreaking havoc with you. I wish you well and hope you are feeling better soon. |
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what would the advantage between the t-8 and t-12 bulb be other then size?
i looked at the bulbs and but had the same info... so would going to the smaller bulb be better? or worse? |
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human-to-human, If you already purchased a fixture, then buy whatever type is specified on the box. A fact you may already know is that the number following the T(#) represents the tube diameter in 8ths of an inch. Originally, there were only T12's, with a few oddball T9,8,5,4,2's on the market. They all ran on heavy magnetic, or tranformer ballasts. Ballasts were designed for each different wattage range of T12's, each having no tolerance for driving anything but the tube it was designed for. All of the normal T12's (excluding HO and VHO lamps) were designed to operate at a current of 430mA, which the magnetic ballasts were designed to deliver. The first T8's that were manufactured began as 430mA designs, but T8's were eventually re-engineered and now operate universally at 265mA. This is why T8 lamps are not compatible with magnetic ballasts. Although there are a few magnetic ballasts designed for some series of T8 lamps, most of the T8 lamps are being driven from a myriad of electronic designs. Electronic ballasts, besides being more efficient, are LOT more versatile, and tolerant of different lamp lengths and wattages – the ballast's design range being the limiting factor. Some electronic T8 ballasts for 32w bulbs also claim to drive 40w lamps, along with a small range of lamps. I am currently using 40w bulbs in an electronic 32w fixture, and the light is great. Since better electronic ballasts are being made for 32w lamps, companies have also created 40w electronic ballasts which are also readily available. Overall, more recently engineered T8 lamps are probably the better, more versatile lamp to invest in. Since they already use a more efficient, electronic ballast, they are a prefered choice. But, there are also some perfectly good, recently re-engineered, T12 lamps available. The Philip's "Home Light" series sold at Home Depot are very good lamps with a fairly high output. Just make sure you using an electronic ballast. They are also quieter - operating well above human hearing Zink |
human124, You know, after reading these posts again, I realize that I went into a lot of facts about the 2 lamps, but I never really gave a definite answer. The major maufacturers of fluorescent lamps, Philips, Osram/Sylvania, GE and a few others, are using the same quality manufacturing (depending on the originating country) and phosphor mixes when making both their 32w and their 40w lamps. There is not much quality or efficiency difference between the 32 and 40, except they are designed to use a different amount of lamp current, hence they use different ballasts. Some electronic ballasts are able to drive both 32 and 40 watt lamps. Some ballasts are designed to run varying combinations and number of lamps of the same design type, up to some maximum total lamp length. So consider this: With both wattage lamps being of equal quality (from reputable companies), you will find an overall higher lumen output from the 40 watt lamps, versus the 32 watt. For instance, a 48" 40w lamp is brighter than a 48" 32wl lamp. As long as you go with an electronic ballast, you will find it pleasingly brilliant. Try to find a ballast with a BF (ballast factor) rating of 1.10 or greater, if you can. Unfortunatly, these high BF's are more to be on a 32w ballast - if you do find a high BF source. Good Luck, |
Once again... I meant to mention that Home Depot sells a series of very good 40 watt lamps called "HomeLight", made by Philips. They are fairly high-lumen 40w lamps and come in a range of color temperatures. Zink |
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I'll make it even simpler. Get a T8 :) For all the reasons Zink describes, a new T8 fitting and bulbs should be an efficient plant light. You would have to look hard for a T12 that was as good, and many still on the market are downright poor. Theoretically they could both be equally good (almost) but T12 is becoming an obsolete technology and the best fittings tend to be for T8s, or even T5s. |
lol zink... reading your post it looks more like u like t8's better... sence u dont get into t12s really at all. I like the t8's for the fact that they are smaller and the fixtures are smaller... but the t12's i can find a wider range of bulbs for. And at home depot i only can find one t8 bulb style, i think it was a 5200k (from what i know it has a little bit more blue then 4800k). But ive never ever tryed using fluorescent and this will be my first experiment this winter, but i just wanna do reserch on what to buy b4 i do buy. mostly im just sick of spending a lot from a high pressure (stupid energy bills.. its not like u dont spend enuff during the winter on heating your house!) and all garden stores u hear they say they are the only way to grow with. Im sure my tomatoes and whatnot will grow fine. |
oh also i seen a t-12 10,000k bulb... any good? it looked like it had tons of blue... but it was like 35$ a bulb |
- Posted by lightmaster z8 Salem, Ore. (My Page) on Sat, Jul 16, 05 at 0:45
oh also i seen a t-12 10,000k bulb... any good? it looked like it had tons of blue... but it was like 35$ a bulb This is what they call an "antic" bulb... No, it is not really good, I believe it is because it is beyond the spectrum that plants can use... -j- |
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Actinic bulbs are for aquariums, not for plants. Human, do I understand that you currently have HPS lamps for growing your veggies? And they cost too much? Fluorescents won't cost less to get the same amount of light, probably more. |
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I'm so disheartened. Pretty much everything in my garden is not doing well. A few things here and there but most is not.
My brugmansia had mites on them, I got lady bugs, and then the plant looked better. Then the earwigs decimated them, the sunflowers, beans, etc. I tried DM with not much help after several weeks. I gave in to Sevin for the earwigs and while it helped, I still don't think enough. The Okra I planted from seed doesn't move from frozen cotyledon stage, I think I kept the ground too wet as they were seedlings. Now they don't move. My zinnias were all eaten and the ones that are still there don't grow. The nasturtiums grow up crispy, I was overwatering them and then apparently underwatering them. The bananas I planted in March haven't budged; the mothers haven't grown. The pups have grown but very slowly. The zucchini and tomatillo from seed are growing but slowly and I am never sure if the ground is too wet or too dry. The Zantedeschia Aethiopica I bought a few weeks ago has a new leaf with several wide yellowish transparent lines through it. I've been watering it a lot. The hibiscus rosa sinensis put out new buds and then the buds just stopped growing. The new leaves have a yellowish tinge. Almost everything seems to have a yellowish tinge. I am going through a horrible time financially, living in Mexico (Tijuana) with my family and "soil tests" aren't really done here. I guess sometime I could swing for a soil test kit at Home Depot but people have said they are not accurate. I have no idea if the soil has too little nitrogen, to much? or if it is too alkaline, or maybe I'm just simply sickening every plant/seed I touch. I admire those people that can plant a seed and it grows into a beautiful flower or vegetable quickly, and often they never did soil tests or anything. It just happens for them. I almost want to assume that the soil is alkaline because I'm in the Tijuana/San Diego area, but who knows? Everything is a toss up. I'm trying to do this as a hobbie since I'm unemployed at the moment and going through a rough time. But even this passtime isn't going well. I apologize for the long post but thank you for letting me express my frustration. |
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That is frustrating. You seem to have chosen a number of plants that are not always easy to grow. I have the same problem with the brugmansias. I cut one down to the ground because of mites, and the earwigs just decimate them. I may stop growing them. It is probably the weird weather that is keeping your okra, zinnia, banana, and zukes from going. They all like nice hot weather, and it's been too cool. I usually don't even start zinnia seeds until now. It may be the water rather than the soil that is causing problems. My water is too alkaline for Japanese Maples. I can't grow hibiscus at all. Always have yellow leaves. And my calla lilies have yellow leaves this year too- I was even thinking of using a chemical fertilizer on them. But I think it's the weather. By the way, my nasturtiums are just about done for the year now. So you are not alone. It may be that you are not putting the seeds in the ground at the best time for your area. Now is the time to plant cosmos, amaranth, sunflowers, morning glories, and okra. Water every day for two weeks, and then once or twice a week depending on cloud cover and temp. Renee |
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Renee, Thank you so much for your response. You've actually made me feel so much better. I do think I started too early on a lot of seeds. I started cosmo seeds a month ago actually and they all out grew their cells and are now planted in the ground doing great, but they are easy anyway. But I agree, I'm trying to grow warm weather veggies in weather that's, well, lacking. Z |
With Renee's help I think you have it pretty well figured out, I only want to add that being out of work is kind of like being retired. I find that I look at my plants so often I am continually disappointed that they seem to doing NOTHING! I have taken to dating everything so when nothing seems to be progressing looking at the date on the tag shows its only been THREE days, and what the heck do I expect! Al |
Gardening is like any other worthwhile activity: it takes practice. Nasturtiums prefer at least part shade and will do quite well in full shade. Keep trying and just wait out the bad times: "this too shall pass". |
- Posted by dick_sonia Sunset 17 (My Page) on Tue, May 10, 11 at 14:37
In any given climate, the plants that will survive with the least amount of attention from humans are inevitably the most satisfying performers. I like to propose that gardeners conceptualize their climate-adapted plant-selection palette as a circle. At the center of that circle are the plants that grow with no attention from you at all. As you head out toward the circumference of the circle are the plants that CAN be grown in your climate -- in theory -- but will require increasing degrees of intervention from you. The exact form and intensity of site modification can involve considerable effort and expense: large volumes of irrigation water, incorporating huge amounts of organic matter into the soil, terraforming for drainage, chemical correction of soil pH, regular spraying schedules of insecticides, cleaning up your water supply with reverse osmosis...the list goes on and on. Where you live, the circle is quite large. Given the right kinds of intervention, anything from English cottage gardens to subtropical rainforest plants are possible...but not necessarily practical. Consequently, the temptation to make ill-advised plant choices looms large. At the center of your circle are firstly, southern California/Baja natives -- a plant palette so diverse and entrancing, it's all many people need. But there are many others: the wonderful succulents of the South African fynbos, plants from the Sonoran desert and the Meseta Central of Mexico, plants from the drier areas of northeastern and southern Brazil, and all the wonderful plants from both coasts of Australia. But it seems that you are drawn to the plants that are closer to the edge of your circle...herbaceous plants with large leaves that transpire a lot of water...plants that grow well in the southeastern part of the U.S. where summers are humid, and also grow fairly well, albeit with more intervention, in northern and central California gardens. I think you're trying to pound a square peg into a round hole. Yeah, I know...these plants are listed as "recommended" in the Western Garden Book for Zone 24. Don't get me wrong...it CAN be done. But do you really want to struggle this much with mitigation techniques when there are so many wonderful plants that will grow well in the conditions of soil, pH, sun exposure and climate that you have just as it is? Forget the brugmansias, nasturtiums and bananas. Get yourself some tabebuias, some agaves, some feather bushes, some guayacanes and caesalpinias (as a sample suggestion of thousands of well-adapted plants for your area). Gardening only has to be as hard as you decide to make it. |
- Posted by jardinerowa 10 (My Page) on Wed, May 11, 11 at 1:47
Thanks for the responses again. Al, I always enjoy your posts. You are very wise. dick sonia, I really appreciated your comments about the circle of gardening. I totally agree with you. And while I love the idea of gardening with native plants. It is hard to know excatly which plants are that way given that nurseries themselves have plants "out" of the circle and/or they don't know how to help. I would forget the nasturtiums, brugmansias, and bananas, except they are very common here. Actually there are spots with naturalized bananas and naturalized nasturtiums. Also, brugmansias are quite common here and do well. So I know it can be done. I just think I'm excpecting too much and I know I started some things too early, like the okra and zinnias. I will now, though, consider more native plants though to balance it out. I actually recently got a multicolor agave that I love. I definitely appreciate your insight. Z |
If it is at all possible where you live, i would advise getting a couple of bantam hens to peck around in your garden. I havn't seen an earwig on my property for years now thanks to 'my girls' -PLUS they give me delicious fresh eggs and are good company. Min |
- Posted by jardinerowa 10 (My Page) on Thu, May 12, 11 at 15:12
Min, funny you should mention hens. Actually my sister-in-law has a hen and rooster and I always run them away from the garden. I know they eat little critters, but I've also seen them pull seedlings (not weeds) and make holes in the garden bed. I don't like them LOL. If I had no seedlings, I guess they would do well in the garden, but as it is, I think they are a menace. Z |
Try adding soil amendments with organic manures such as chicken/cow/horse manure and digging it into the soil before you plant and then mulching the bare soil. Adding organic amendments will help greatly with regulating soil moisture, which is the greatest problem with starting new plants from seed. A simple trap for earwigs is to leave rolled up newspaper in the garden, and the earwigs will gravitate to hide in them, you can then toss into the trash or shake them out and stomp them. The Bananas, Brugmansia and Calla Lilies are all likely to do better in a sheltered spot with mostly shade, unless you are in an area with direct coastal fog influence, and all will want to stay moist in the warmer/drier months. Brugmansia in particular will look better if you give it some time release fertilizer such as Osmocote or feed with fish emulsion regularly. The Zantedeschia aethiopica is more of a winter grower in southern California/northern Baja California, and is inclined to go dormant once the temperatures get warmer. If it gets winter rains and is planted in a spot with shade or only morning sun, it will likely burst into full growth again next rainy season. If you want Calla Lilies, the summer blooming hybrids with yellow/orange or pink flowers are probably better for Tijuana conditions, just keep them well watered and fed. Nasturtiums are probably also going to do better for you as a fall planted seedling growing through the winter, and declining as it gets warm, unless grown with sufficient shade and water. I'd suggest sticking with flowers that really prefer heat and can take a bit of drought, and African and French Marigolds should thrive for you, as should most Verbena species and hybrids such as V. rigida, V. bonariensis, and V. hybrida. If you have room for some rampant vines, I'd bet that common Morning Glory would do well, as would Bougainvillea, Thunbergia alata or T. gregorii. Succulents such as Cotyledon orbiculata, Sedum dendroideum, Euphorbia xantii and E. tirucallii 'Sticks on Fire', Echeveria agavoides and E. imbricata, Agaves such as A. parryi, A. bracteosa, A. attenuata, Aloes, etc. Now that it has finally warmed up, it is safer to be overwatering new plants, and they won't rot/drown from too cold/wet soil conditions. It may have been mostly a problem of too cool conditions for new warm season seedlings, in combination with soil with insufficient organic content to hold onto to soil nutrients and water. Aged chicken manure or rabbit manure and/or liquid fertilizers such as fish emulsion on a periodic basis should turn your luck around immensely. Don't give up, enjoy your garden, and good luck on the employment aspect! |
Z- yes, if your sis in law has the large chickens, they can do an amazing amount of damage in a garden. i have a few of the smallest bantam hens and, while they can scratch out seeds and small seedlings, those can be covered until they grow larger and its been worth doing that to have gotten rid of EVERY SINGLE EARWIG! also, i happen to like the hens quiet companionable 'talk' as we all enjoy the garden together. min |
- Posted by kosherbaker LA CA-10 (My Page) on Mon, May 16, 11 at 0:25
I'm in Los Angeles, Santa Monica area. About three miles from the ocean. I planted 3 tomatoes in the containers and purple tiger pepper 3 months ago. They have not grown an inch. I agonized over what it might have been. Being a noob, and doing this for only a second year, I realized thanks to this forum, that I was overwatering them. Because indeed most of them were showing me the yellow leaves. Apparently the classic sign of a plant being overwatered. So dropped the watering from every other day to twice a week. A month went by and still absolutely nothing. :O Finally last week I cut it down to once a week, and like a miracle every one of them showed me a new leaf within days. All of this in very well draining 5-1-1 mix that I mixed myself (Thanks to Al) Also the banana plant I planted in my mom's garden in San Diego appears to hate to be watered more than once a week. Maybe this will change when the summer heat comes but for now this is what this noob has to report. :) :D Rudy |
Tomatoes will just sit there, apparently frozen in time, unless we get a little sunshine and heat to warm the soil. When we have sun lately we also have a cold wind out of the north which keeps the air temperature down to where the gardener needs to wear a sweatshirt. Until I can shed my sweatshirt my tomatoes are not going to do much. Al |
Soil prep is 90% of gardening. If you don't have good dirt, your plants will struggle. As others have kindly pointed out, some of what you have planted are winter plants, not summer plants. Certain plants, like white callas (Z. aethiopica) and nasturtiums are sensitive to soil temps; once it warms up they're outta here. Overwatering was the first thing I noticed about your post. Water is not a cure for non-growth. At the very least get yourself a water meter; they aren't that expensive and it sounds as if you haven't yet developed a sense for when plants need water and when they don't. Just because certain plants can grow nicely in vacant lots or in other people's gardens, unfortunately doesn't guarantee success in one's own garden. I could name you a dozen plants that are growing around my neighborhood despite neglected yards, but in mine they struggle. You've gotten some wonderful suggestions from bahia and dick_sonia. Every gardener has some plants that go gangbusters for them (I could give away extra glads, osteospermum, plectranthus, and bearded iris every year if I thought someone wanted them, LOL), and others that sulk and wilt and Just Won't Grow (doesn't matter the reason). It sounds like you're doing a scattershot approach. That can be fun, but also wastes money/time when your efforts aren't well-organized and you haven't done your research. Slow down, learn from your mistakes, and start over again, more carefully this time. |
- Posted by silversword 9A (My Page) on Mon, May 16, 11 at 11:20
Oh gosh Jkom... I want some glads and iris!!! LOL. I have the same issues. Can't get bananas to grow. Two of my citrus are stunted and haven't grown in years. The rest are doing great. Last year my tomatoes were fabulous but the year before they never got ripe. My society garlic is doing awesome on my half of the shared strip with the neighbors but 2' away theirs is barely alive. My strawberries are being eaten by pillbugs. I can't have chickens (codes in town)... any recommendations? |
You've been given some excellent advice. I just want to add "don't give up". Your frustration is very understandable, especially in light of your economic situation. |
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Speaking at the MIPJunior conference in Cannes, Snyder declined to give specific details of any games or apps that are being created, but he confirmed that "more and more things are in development for us in that direction".
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Snyder was keen to stress Cartoon Network's desire to embrace new technology and distribution platforms, rather than fight it, although he's far from the only television executive paying lip service to this message on a conference stage. The proof will come with Cartoon Network's projects.
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"YouTube having all these channels? That is just another option. I'm not sure at the end of the day that just 'more is more' is going to cause success," he said.
"At the end of the day, this is about great storytelling, great characters, and an audience finding it… Frankly in our space right now, what's happening is there's a lot more clutter. Our challenge is to be that company that continues to find things that break through."
That challenge extends to making use of every distribution channel possible for those breakthroughs. Snyder said Cartoon Network is alive to the necessity of looking beyond the television to reach its young audience.
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