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Hi All, I've been reading this site for many years but I've never posted before because up until know every question I had was asked and answered. But now I have a question that involves the layout of my house, which is unique :) We're planning a kitchen remodel and I'd greatly appreciate any advice y'all have on the layout. Attached picture is my current concept. The space includes the original kitchen plus what used to be the family room (we added a larger family room a couple years ago, so the original family room space is now part of the kitchen/nook). Some of the thinking behind my current concept: Thanks in advance for your time! -Gordon |
Here is a link that might be useful: round peninsula
Follow-Up Postings:
Welcome, Gordon. I am interested in seeing what the guru's bring, as we wait for their thoughts I'll share a couple of my own based on my own experience of having a sink in the corner like this. First, because both and clean up require a water source, you essentially only have one zone for both purposes -- not good. This sink arrangement means you can really only have one person using the water at a time, as there is nowhere for anyone to access the water besides the primary user, unless the user steps backwards -- so forget about having anyone help out in the kitchen, or even get a drink of water, wash their hands, fill the dog's water dish -- you get the point. This is less than ideal -- this kitchen cries out for a prep sink. As much as I like the looks of your rounded peninsula, I would do one of two things: 1. eliminate the peninsula altogether to make the counter run 3 1/2 feet longer which would allow a nice space for a prep sink and hence a prep zone to the left of the range. Or I would straighten out (and extend) the peninsula so that you'd have the additional area to put a prep sink on it, I don't think you have room for one as it is drawn now. |
- Posted by remodelfla (My Page) on Fri, Dec 14, 12 at 8:20
Hi Gordon, I know you stated you want the sink by the window but I can't help but feel that will narrow your prep zone down the couple of feet of space between the sink and range. Valuable counterspace on the short L would be vastly underused. I don't know how large your family is or what kind of cooks/bakers you are but think about if you really need 3 different seating area inside. If you want to keep the sink where located, I agree with eliminating the peninsula and extending the run. Then I would scoot the range down. You say you eat all your meals in the dining room. Would you want to consider opening up that wall for at least a pass through to facilitate serving and cleanup? |
- Posted by liriodendron (My Page) on Fri, Dec 14, 12 at 8:34
For a large and mostly uncomplicated kitchen, you don't have much counter space or prep room. The round table function and the round counter function ought to be combined in some way so you could "harvest" more room for working space. Right now you've got too much real estate devoted to the kitchen-eating, homework doing, hanging out category. I think a prep zone which replaces the round counter, has a prep sink and adjacent to a moved-down-away from sink range will not only make for more usefulness, but also un-crowd your sink/ clean-up area. It's a pity that the range is on the far side of the kitchen from the dining room, meaning that finished food will have to travel an extra 10 feet or so. But the desire to preserve the present kitchen window position drives that and it's not a bad reason to leave the sink where it presently is. Your long wall of storage is nice and effectively serves the entire opposite working areas. You could consider capturing additional storage/pantry on the walls around the round table. These storage areas needn't be the conventional 24" depth. You have under-utilized wall runs there. You might consider deepening the storage wall/refrigerator run by 6". Make the cabs and counter 30", not 24" deep. You have the space; you can have a "regular" (not C/D) fridge that doesn't stick out and gain valuable additional storage space. It will also functionally shorten the commute (which isn't bad now, but has some excess distance) between storage and working areas. With the corridor just behind the wall, you won't have to worry about through traffic intruding in the space. (Providing you train you family!) Lighting and decor cues can help guide trafffic where you want it. HTH L. |
- Posted by tracie.erin (My Page) on Fri, Dec 14, 12 at 10:57
No matter what you do, I would deepen the counters on at least the top wall, if not both walls. A 30" deep counter is a dream to prep on. I grew up in a house with them and have an island now, and I would say both are equally good for utility. For the top wall, you can either simply build a 2x6" frame against the wall before you put the cabinetry in and run the counter over both (less expensive), or you can order deeper base cabinetry (more expensive). If you went deeper for the bottom wall too, I'd bite the bullet and order the deeper cabinetry for those walls. Now for your layout.. I think no matter what, your DW needs to get out of the primary prep space of between the sink and range. There are of multiple ways you can accomplish that. Spoiler: 4 is my favorite. 1) Simply move the DW to the very end of the L on the right hand side, against the DR doorway. The person at the sink is somewhat trapped while the DW is open, though, and you are still left with a smaller prep space than you could otherwise have.* 2) Make the sink a corner sink (at a 45 degree angle), and the DW still goes next to the DR doorway. This gets you a bit more prep space. Your sink is still somewhat under the window and it would add a nice note of style to the kitchen - right now, that L to the right is kind of just there, and this would integrate it nicely.* 3) Do as remodelfla suggests and get rid of the peninsula in order to be able to move the range to the left and obtain more prep space. I would still move the DW to the short L.* *Both 1), 2) and 3) separate your prep/cooking and cleanup zones by moving the DW. The con is that your sink is in a corner no matter what, and thus hard to be accessed by more than one person at a time. If there will only be one person in the kitchen at a time this is not a big deal, but since you are asking about zone separation I feel as if this would be a big deal to you because the sink is needed during both prep and cleanup. 4) Put your sink where the range is with the DW to the left, and put the range on the L to the right. There are some really, really pretty pictures of sinks on walls without a window in front of them; I've linked a blog post (no affiliation) and you'll find much more on Google. With this option, you have a great wide prep zone between sink and range (with a view out the window, no less!) and a secondary prep zone on the peninsula on the other side of the sink. You have one sink that is easily accessible from both sides because it is no longer in a corner, so prep/cooking and cleanup is separated. |
Here is a link that might be useful: Kitchen sinks on walls
- Posted by GauchoGordo1993 (My Page) on Fri, Dec 14, 12 at 13:09
Thanks for the great ideas and advice guys. I'm inclined to agree with the consensus here that extending the counter towards the slider in place of the peninsula would result in a more functional work space. One concern I have with this layout, however, is that it doesn't provide a functional congregation/serving area for guests within conversation distance of the work area. That is, I've found that our dinner guests, at least initially upon arrival, typically congregate in the kitchen, so it would be nice to have a counter surface that facilitates this (within conversation distance of the work area, big enough for 4 people to stand around, place their drinks, enjoy hors d'oeuvres, ...) Of course, kitchen islands are the most common implementation of this, but I can't figure out how to fit an island within conversation distance of the work area, which is how I arrived at the rounded peninsula. It's also worth noting that dinner guests hanging out in/around the kitchen typically stand, not sit, so the seating around the peninsula is unnecessary in hindsight. Assuming that makes sense, how important do you think it is to have a logical/central congregation/serving area like this? Any ideas for other ways to satisfy this use case? Thanks again for all the help guys! |
- Posted by remodelfla (My Page) on Fri, Dec 14, 12 at 13:21
One quick idea.... can your slider be changed out to a French door? If so... extend the counter down as discussed and create a peninusula there; essentially having a U shaped kitchen. You would then need to eliminate the storage in the nook area and create a banquette. On the new L you could have stools that would scoot under the overhang on the newly created "L" for guests to perch. |
Just one more thought. If you switch the position of the micro/toaster/coffee area and the tall pantry cabinets, you could put the mirror image of the P-shaped peninsula on the lower area -- the distance of guests from the cooking/prep area is nearly identical for the lower seats, and only a couple feet for the 3rd chair. If guests would be primarily standing/leaning, it's all the same, essentially, giving you guest perch spots without compromising the function of the kitchen. |
- Posted by GauchoGordo1993 (My Page) on Sat, Dec 15, 12 at 2:26
Here's plan#2 - more counter space and a little less storage, plus an island and prep sink(s). I'm hoping that the additional counter space and prep sink will address the insufficient prep space/functionality and sink/dishwasher traffic jam that several folks mentioned. The island is a little goofy, but it's the only way I can figure to fit one in. I tried moving the dishwasher or range to the right wall, but concluded there just isn't enough room for them on that wall. And we are open to moving the sink away from the window and utilizing the window space for prep instead - thanks for the idea tracie.erin - but given that the range won't fit on the right wall, I haven't figured out out to make use of that idea. What do y'all think of this plan? This drawing has two prep sinks, but I'd only want one - which location do you think would be better? Thanks Guys! |
- Posted by debrak_2008 (My Page) on Sat, Dec 15, 12 at 6:41
In our house the coffee/toaster/mw area is a busy spot. If someone is at that area and someone else is at the sink they might be bumping. |
- Posted by herbflavor (My Page) on Sat, Dec 15, 12 at 8:53
It's about a 17 foot wall....couldn't you put the fridge down between range and patio door.clear the fridg wall and run a long 2nd counter run opposite the 17 foot wall and place stools around the curved end....still with room to walk to and fro behind this to dining room/etc.Or keep fridge on the current wall but push it down to microwave spot-leave 4 feet for mwave and such...then run island left to right but end it so you can walk by fridge and have a clear work triangle between fridge sink and range. Clearing the wall of items on the side of fridge isn't really a loss as having the island in the floorspace will also allow great base cabinet storage, and you get that social landing spot as well.....looks like it can be 30-32 in deep and still walk by and curve the end for seating if you want it. |
- Posted by GauchoGordo1993 (My Page) on Sat, Dec 15, 12 at 10:49
herbflavor, Can you clarify what you mean by "the curved end" - the curved end of what? Also, I'm assuming min 42" clearance around the island, but it sounds like you're assuming less? |
- Posted by herbflavor (My Page) on Sat, Dec 15, 12 at 12:01
the curve of an island if you choose it. The end of island at dinette table area can have some counter overhang,even expand the dimension at that end...there is no interference with anything....and stools go there. The walkway on the side that leads straight to dining room doesn't require much beyond 36-39 inches if stools are at the end.I'd start with 42 in walk distance at kitchen side.....39 inch walk at other side...leaves 33 in or so of island depth....but you potentially get that expanded curve at the left side....it looks like you could do about an 8 foot island left to right and still have work triangle unobstructed, and still have some overhang designed for seating,as mentionned on left end. Could you change opening to dining room to a lowered position and place fridge around from sink on the short counter that could grow some inches if you change this opening? |
- Posted by GreenDesigns (My Page) on Sat, Dec 15, 12 at 12:06
What I'm sensing from your comments and layouts is that you envision the kitchen as a social space, but it's not working as such because of it's position away from the family room. Therefore, I'd urge you to post the layout of the entire house so that it can be assessed as to how to place the kitchen to create that sociability that you crave without creating so many redundant and awkward spaces that all of the layouts that you have posted have created. None of them are connected enough to be a social kitchen, and none of them are at all functional from a food production standpoint. Time to think outside the box. |
- Posted by GauchoGordo1993 (My Page) on Sat, Dec 15, 12 at 16:50
Here's the whole first floor layout. Regarding optimization for hosting & socializing, proximity to the dining and living room is more important than proximity to the family room because we eat and host guests in the kitchen, dining room, living room, and back deck, but not so much in the family room. I actually like the family room being a little ways from the kitchen like it is, but of course all ideas are welcome. |
- Posted by GauchoGordo1993 (My Page) on Sun, Dec 16, 12 at 2:40
Here's something different. I removed the cabinets & counter on the bottom wall to create room for the range on the right wall. And I replaced the wall separating the kitchen and dining room with a bar height counter, which opens up the space a bit and creates a place for guests to perch. And I shortened the bottom wall to make room for a large island. I didn't remove the wall completely though because I don't think I want to see the cooktop exhaust hood from the entry - am I just being old fashioned about that? Better? Worse? Just plain weird? |
- Posted by hollysprings (My Page) on Sun, Dec 16, 12 at 9:29
The biggest problem that I see with the current layout is the fact that people want to travel through the kitchen from the living/dining area to get to the deck. Extending the deck to underneath the dining area and putting the main access doors there would alter that traffic pattern and make for a more functional entertaining space. I'd look at doing that first of all. Then, I'd look at shifting the kitchen further into the breakfast area and using the dining area as the main eating spot, rather than having 5 places that you can eat at, if you include dining on the deck as well. That fractured functionality and awkward traffic patterns is what's making you crazy here. You have too many spaces devoted to dining, and that should be the first goal of the renovation: consolodation. |
- Posted by hollysprings (My Page) on Sun, Dec 16, 12 at 9:47
More like this. This gives you a direct connection to the exterior that doesn't interfere with food prep. It consolidates the eating space into a casual bar stool area and the dining area, which are right there next to the kitchen so that visitors can be social, but stay out of your way. It moves the range down and puts windows to either sid so you don't lose the connection with the exterior. The island will be the main prepping space, and it forms a barrier between the traffic aisle and the cooking zone so that no one crosses the hot zone while food is being produced. The large walk in pantry houses all of the stuff that was formerly housed in the upper cabinets, and the kitchen as a whole is a social, light and bright space, well connected to both the entertaining zone, and the family zone. |
- Posted by herbflavor (My Page) on Sun, Dec 16, 12 at 11:12
Gordo:in your very last diagram,try taking out the small wall that you think you need for screening....square out all the corners on island with detail to the corners and edges when they template it...maybe counter supports or legs on side that would be on view from foyer and from rooms on the right. You can extend the counter to the right of the range as well and place an upper cab with glass doors with glass on the end on view also. Holly makes good points about consolidating seating. However-your floor plan has a bit of a sprawl and I'd be inclined to leave the designated table seating-you have an exception I think. With family room a bit "out of the loop" and your focus on entertaining, the tables and chairs fit with what goes on it seems. I would not worry about the small wall removal and doing that helps with what you can do it that area-it's the center and convergence of all your spaces-you just have to be sure and have budget allocated to visuals...on the floor there you can design an inlay wood pattern-fabulous. |
- Posted by GreenDesigns (My Page) on Sun, Dec 16, 12 at 11:39
Is your entertaining more casual or formal? If formal, then I would actually want a wall between the kitchen and the dining area. If casual, then I'd want more of a connection between the kitchen and family areas. So, what about taking over the deck as the new kitchen space, and doing a new deck outside of the dining room. That would give you more of a connection to the family room for casual entertaining, and the old kitchen and dining area could be a "keeping room with dining" concept, while keeping the living room as a quiet "away" space for adults to converse. Other than that, I do see the need to consolidate and eliminate some of the eating location choices. Their redundancy isn't helping with the work flow. I'd suggest getting the current layout of your home, put it in Paint or another graphics program, and then color code the tasks that occur. Then draw their paths through the space. Make separate maps for "regular family life" vs. "entertaining". And then look and see what overlaps, and where the pinch points are. Also do a real life time study as to the number of times in the past year that you've had guests over. Many people plan their homes for the special use times, and don't give nearly as much though for everyday use. Consequently, 80% of the time, the home doesn't function well for those 20% occasions. Figure out what your ratio is, and that will help you decide what the compromises are that you can live with for the 20% times, rather than the other way around. |
- Posted by GreenDesigns (My Page) on Sun, Dec 16, 12 at 12:18
- Posted by GreenDesigns (My Page) on Sun, Dec 16, 12 at 12:38
For someone who is into formal entertaining and wants the kitchen experience to remain casual for family. |
- Posted by GauchoGordo1993 (My Page) on Sun, Dec 16, 12 at 13:57
Many thanks to everyone for continuing to help me out here! Please find my latest attempt below. The little square at the bottom of the bar is a post that will be required for structural reasons. I may need other posts as well (I'll need an engineer to take a look at it), but I'm certain a post will be required there. Hi hollysprings and GreenDesigns, Hi GreenDesigns, |
- Posted by GreenDesigns (My Page) on Sun, Dec 16, 12 at 14:26
To save even more money, AND to have a much more functional workflow, move the fridge to the end of the counter run. Move the prep sink to the island and replace it with the range. Then move the cleanup zone to the peninsula. 70% of the time in a kitchen is spent prepping. Putting the prep sink on the island makes it a social gathering spot for that 70% of the time. Only 10% of the time "cooking" is actually spent cooking. And island ventilation is a LOT more expensive and more difficult to accomplish. |
- Posted by GauchoGordo1993 (My Page) on Mon, Dec 17, 12 at 2:48
Hi GreenDesigns, I like the sink/range swap you suggest for the reasons you mention and a couple others - thanks. So here's my latest. I feel like this is about as good as it's gonna get in a lot of ways, but I'm concerned about the lack of cabinet space. Are there any rules of thumb for cabinet space requirements in a kitchen? One particular issue that I'm struggling with is storage near the dishwasher for everyday plates, bowls, glasses & cups. We use wall cabinets for that stuff now, but there aren't any wall cabinets near the dishwasher in this design. Of course we could leave the wall between the kitchen and dining room and install wall cabs on them, but I like it open. With it open like this, it looks like we'd have to keep all our everyday dishes in drawers across from the dishwasher - is that a good plan or will we regret that? |
- Posted by herbflavor (My Page) on Mon, Dec 17, 12 at 4:33
altho the island gives you the seating,the 2nd aspect of guests and entertaining is the ability of someone to setup an area for drink/snack distribution or at least direct a guest to an area and retrieve the standard things with ease,without asking directions and without blocking the main kitchen activity of the host/hostess. Perhaps the triangular pantry would be better with the L shape of the 2 walls lined with accessible counter/cabs as a secondary staging area[could you plumb in a little sink there?]. Without something like that I'd be a little nervous. |
- Posted by GauchoGordo1993 (My Page) on Wed, Dec 19, 12 at 2:28
OK, Thanks to y'all, I think we're finally converging on something that will work well for us. Some things I like about this plan include: - Really like the functionality of the top wall. I decided that 42" continuous counter between sink and cooktop was the most convenient prep arrangement for everyday cooking, so I created that between the corner sink and the cooktop, and with a view to boot! 30" counters on that wall are an added bonus. - Two separate sink basins in the corner, about 15x18 each, allow for separate prep and cleaning sinks in the most convenient orientation for their intended use. - Secondary prep space on island is spacious and functionally positioned. I expect that the counter between the sink and cooktop will get more use, but I'm confident the island will get a lot of use as well. The island prep area is also close enough to the corner sink that it can share the primary garbage/recycling between the sink and DW. - Cooktop on exterior wall makes it easy to install good venting. - Island should be great for socializing. - Walk-in pantry wall creates a nice home for our piano. - Benches for shoe on/off/stowage will be useful I think. - 4' of wall cabinets above dishwasher for glass storage. I had wanted to remove the wall between the kitchen and dining room, but I've decided I like the separation better. herbflavor, My picture suggests that the island seating will be big, but that's kind of misleading because I'm planning to get small stools that will stow under the island most of the time. So I'm thinking that most of the island will be available for drink/snack distribution like you describe (except for the side facing the cooktop). And I've drawn-up a bunch of plans with an L of cabinets in the corner, but they always look awkward to me, like I couldn't figure out what to do with that corner, which is kind of true... |
- Posted by hollysprings (My Page) on Wed, Dec 19, 12 at 7:49
Corner sinks are a a HUGE PIA. Especially in a kitchen of this size. Only one person can use them at a time. Even with a prep sink added, you've still cut down on the functionality of the kitchen rather than added to it. If you have to have that structural post, then take the cabinets all the way down to it. If you want a more direct passageway between the dining and kitchen area, then keep the cabinets along the wall going directly into the dining area and do the clean up as a separate T area perpendicular to the main cabinet run. A separate "cleanup" island if you will. Or, make that the bar area with a bar sink, and have the cleanup still along the back wall approximately where you have the first corner sink indicated. Jettison the pantry cabinet to the left of the fridge and just use a plain panel. With a large walk in pantry, it's not needed. Then you can move the range down further and have the sink in front of the window. Now you've got a nice tight prep area, a good separate cleanup zone that's convenient to the table for clearing, and a separate bar area for entertaining. And seating for all. |
- Posted by GauchoGordo1993 (My Page) on Wed, Dec 19, 12 at 11:29
Hi Hollysprings, Thanks for the advice & ideas! I tried layouts like the one you recommend but always got hung up on the cleanup area being visible while seated at the dining table, which I dislike more than corner sinks. But I had not considered a completely separate cleaning area, with a dedicated sink, and I'm intrigued by that. So let me chew on that a little... |
- Posted by live_wire_oak (My Page) on Wed, Dec 19, 12 at 11:39
I like the two corner hutches suggested above. The full height cabinets would shield somewhat the cleanup zone from the dining room. Especially if you did a large single sink to hide most of the dishes in until the cleanup person could get to them. Also consider two dishwashers, as loading prep stuff as you go by a second person is the easiest way to keep the mess to a minimum. Then all you have to deal with is the actual china/crystal. etc. from the dining. |
- Posted by GauchoGordo1993 (My Page) on Thu, Dec 20, 12 at 0:00
My original plan had one sink, and this one has 3! Sounds kinda crazy at first, especially given that they're all relatively close together, but I think all 3 really are necessary for this layout to function properly. I like that the cleaning zone mess is isolated and not visible from the dining area. And I think the cleaning station could also work as a beverage center for entertaining (maybe include a small fridge there?). The glassware storage above the DW is convenient for unloading the DW and for beverage center function. Window prep sink is off-center because I think it will be nice to prep in front of the window, and I figure this will look OK if we get a two-piece slider there, in which case the sink will be centered on the right pane. |
This layout has a lot of strengths. Having a dedicated cleanup space that's shielded from the view of those in the dining room is great. I also like that the main prep area, where you'll spend most of your kitchen time, is in front of a big window. I think you'll also like having your coffee station by a sink. A couple of suggestions -- lots of drawers in the island, they can store all of your dishes, and will make unloading the dishwasher a cinch, since you can pile things on the island and then take a couple sideways steps and put everything away. You may be tempted to drop the prep sink on the island, but I see that as being a nice space to work and interact with people seated at the island. Definitely the "most optional" of the three sinks, but one that will be nice to have, none the less. The cleanup sink needs to be a lot bigger, I'd put as large of one as will fit the space to allow for fitting your largest pans (baking sheets, roasters, etc) - nice for hiding dirty stuff as well as ease of scrubbing. I wonder if you're trying to reserve the space for a pullout trash, if that's the case I would put the pullout trash on the island, oriented to pullout toward the cleanup sink. It will be accessible to both work areas, though I'd put a second pullout trash for the prep space to the right of the range. |
- Posted by GauchoGordo1993 (My Page) on Thu, Dec 20, 12 at 11:57
Thanks for the input kris_ma. My wife didn't like the small sinks either. So here's the same basic layout with larger sinks - two full-sized sinks and one prep sink. I figure the full size sink in the window will be used for prep and cleaning, the full size sink in the cleaning area will be used only for cleaning, and the prep sink will be used primarily for prep. And I'm thinking all will be equipped with disposals. I really like this plan, but my lovely wife doesn't. She thinks 3 sinks is too much, especially with disposals on each, and she can't imagine equipping and using two sinks for cleaning. She's also concerned about the dining room pass through directing traffic through the work zone, which I appreciate, but I think it's outweighed by the convenience and utility of easy delivery of food from the cooktop and removal of dirty dishes. This is not easy folks... Thanks again to everyone for hanging with me through this journey :) |
- Posted by GauchoGordo1993 (My Page) on Tue, Jan 15, 13 at 13:25
Hi Everybody, Wanted to given y'all an update on this since you'd been so helpful. As much as I like the separate cleaning station idea, turns-out we just aren't comfortable with it because it seems like overkill given how we use the kitchen and because the cleaning area seems too small and it's just not possible bigger given the structural constraints we're dealing with. We also concluded that the straight shot to the front door/windows is too open-concept for us. So we went back to the drawing board and came up with the layout below, which of course has it's own set of pros and cons. For example, we recognize that the following potential problems with the plan below: That being said, at this point we favor this layout for the following reasons: So that's where we are. Thanks again for all your input everybody! |
I think this looks great! It has so much going for it, epecially compared to your fist plan. Definitely you have two distinct prep and clean up zones, which are at right angles to each other, which means you could potentially have two people working in those areas without being on top of each other. You'd have to step aside to share the sink, but with the 1' of space, plus a large sink (Love that!), it should work. I really like the prep sink on the island --- I think you'd get a ton of use with it being so proximal to the range easy to prep, slide and hop the stuff over to the range wall -- hope you keep the prep sink in the plan! I realize you really like the idea of hiding dirty dishes from view during dinner, but before everything is finalized, I just have to say I've seen so many people over the years regret that bar height part -- they put it in for the reason you give, but hate it because it breaks up what would be a huge span great for serving, prepping, etc. And really, the dishes can be quickly hidden in your huge sink and accomplish the same purpose, leaving the peninsula free for buffet style serving, large projects, and about a bazillion other things. I'd urge you post a new thread asking people who were deciding between two-level peninsula and one-level which way they went and if they have any regrets and get more feedback before making a final decision (if you haven't yet). Again, congrats! Really like this plan, huge improvements over every version to date, I even like it better than the 3 sink version! |
- Posted by GauchoGordo1993 (My Page) on Tue, Jan 15, 13 at 16:22
Hi Kris_ma, Thanks for the suggestion to reconsider the two level peninsula between the kitchen & DR - we'll do that. I found an old gardenweb thread on this (link below) and the consensus seems consistent with your recommendation - that one level is more useful & practical. -g |
Here is a link that might be useful: Islands...all one level or raised area for seating?
- Posted by GauchoGordo1993 (My Page) on Wed, Jan 16, 13 at 0:00
Here's a different, single level peninsula. Single level makes the surface big enough that I can round the end of the peninsula, which opens up the passthru between the kitchen and dining room and mitigates the bottleneck & workflow interference at the range. I also moved the prep sink so that it doesn't take up fridge landing zone. Seems pretty good I think. Looks like I might have to get over my issues with seeing the sink from the dining table :) |
Gordo-our current kitchen sink/dining room layout is very similar to what you have drawn and I have to say I never even think about 'seeing the sink' and don't feel for me that it's a short-coming of my space. I really don't think it's going to bother you. If you are at the table and engrossed in conversation/food with your family I doubt you will even notice it. That's just my 2 cents. After dinner is a different story though, I like to get things cleaned and tidied up quickly. I have a hard time 'leaving it until later' but I don't think it's because I can see the sink, just my personality I suppose. Good luck and enjoy your new space! |
- Posted by GauchoGordo1993 (My Page) on Wed, Jan 23, 13 at 1:06
Do y'all think it looks better with the fridge centered on the island? I sorta think so. Only problem is it increases the work triangle beyond NKBA guidelines. NKBA guideline is legs 4-9' & total less than 26'. In this config, the legs are: I'm not too concerned about exceeding the max by 4%, but the fridge-range leg exceeding the max by 22% has me wondering if I'm doing something wrong. But then, are all work triangle legs created equal? I'm thinking not. In fact I'd prioritize them like this: Or am I just rationalizing... |
- Posted by Texasgal47 (My Page) on Wed, Jan 23, 13 at 12:50
Gordon, I'm no GW layout guru, but a fridge (as centered across from the island) that far from the range would be a deal breaker for me in purchasing this home. Your preceding plan looks perfect except I would want the MW within my work triangle. Would you consider a Sharp MW drawer in the island? The tall wall cabs to the left of the fridge could be extended down to the counter, with glass doors and lighting for china, crystal, or other decorative items. This may not fit your lifestyle, but just a thought since you have the piano, counter stools & bench as a social hub in that area. |
- Posted by kaneshoney (My Page) on Wed, Jan 23, 13 at 17:36
Hi Gordon, I too, do not claim to be a kitchen guru. But, I am a stay at home mom who cooks and cleans 3+ times a day. I agree that I would also not want the fridge to be so far away from the range. This may not be helpful, after all the deliberation about the sinks, but I would not put a prep sink in the island. We have a very large island and I am still so happy that I did not put a sink in it. Our friends have an island about the same size and shape of yours. Of course, like you indicated we congregate there often. I hate looking into their sink. Plus because of the is there is not as much prep space so we are always prepping on the surrounding counters with our backs towards the other people joining us. I really liked the plan with three sinks. But I would take out the prep sink. What I was wondering is, if you did that could you put drawers for your dishes across from that space. My DW is directly across from my dish drawer and I love it. I can have it open and is simple to put everything away. If you did that plan than you could make your sink under your window a bit larger and do almost all your prep on the island. This way when company comes and everyone is visiting you can also be prepping and talking while facing them. This is our set up and it works great. I have never had a need for a sink in my island. I would also personally square out the island. You an have so much storage in there. I even have a bunch of hidden cabinets in mine. I love how much it fits. And put in as much drawers as possible. I know I am coming in a it late in the game here, but I still wanted to share my thoughts. Kitchens are the hub of the home. |
- Posted by GauchoGordo1993 (My Page) on Thu, Jan 24, 13 at 13:42
Hi Texasgal & kaneshoney, Rest assured that I appreciate your input despite your non-guru status ;) And agreed that I should try to reduce the range-fridge span. Texasgal, keneshoney, Regarding the previous layout with cleaning station, I still like that layout as well. And I agree that the prep sink on the island is not needed and wouldn't look good in that layout, so that would go. And yes, I was figuring that the dish storage would in drawers very close to the DW. Like I mentioned above though, the primary sticking point with that layout was the line of sight from the front door to the kitchen. After much discussion, we decided that this was too "open concept" for us. Full disclosure - I like it, but my lovely wife doesn't. The other problem with the cleaning station layout is that it orphans the bearing column (the bearing column isn't drawn in the cleaning station drawing because I wasn't sure it was needed at the time I did that drawing, but turns out it is necessary after all). This isn't a show stopper, but something to consider. Thanks again for your input, |
- Posted by GauchoGordo1993 (My Page) on Mon, Jan 28, 13 at 1:42
Hi All, Would it look bad if the range wasn't centered on its wall? It's centered in this version of the drawing (36" counter on each side), but from a purely functional perspective I think it would be best if the counter on the island side was smaller. I'm thinking 24" on the island side range and 36" on the dining room side would be most functional for the space. BTW, in this version the fridge-range distance is <9" and the microwave is within the triangle. So I think the only kitchen design guideline that this layout violates is traffic through the work triangle, which is a shortcoming that we think we can tolerate. Thanks! |
Hi! Complete layout-incompetent here, with qualifications only in the 84-meals-per-week category. I just want you to remember to think about fridge landing space. This latest iteration loses quite a bit of it I think. For me and the way that I happen to cook, this would be a problem. But then distance of range from fridge is less so of one for me. I find, (to my surprise), like LWO states that I actually spend only about 10% of my time in front of the stove (Seemed like more in previous, less-well-organized kitchens, with a far poorer quality stove). I spend inordinate amounts of time hauling stuff in and out of the fridge. so ample landing space for it all is very valuable to me. And I almost never move stuff from fridge to stove directly, thus that distance would seem to be less important. These things may really depend on the cook and their style though. Oddly enough, I find having water proximal to the range to be really helpful. Stuff gets dirty and needs rinsing right next to the range all the time; pasta needs draining and pans filling; hands get burned and need stuffing underneath cold water (!). Personally, I liked your penultimate sketch better for some of these reasons. Fun to watch the evolution of your kitchen! You are very patient... |
- Posted by herbflavor (My Page) on Mon, Jan 28, 13 at 8:23
swap the fridge with range. Then the fridge can be placed either in the center or the left or right of that section. If people coming from family room or deck happen to see you cooking they'll go around the island at the bottom to get something. Cooking is the last and briefest part of time spent. At the fridge you could probably put a small sink if you need it. Diners at the table and island will have that counter and access to fridge must more handily than the sink wall.I don't think you'd really like your snack station that close to the sink anyway. You could push the range 6 in closer to sink if you want and put your snack station at the fridge site anyway. This is the only way I'd proceed with this layout. |
- Posted by GauchoGordo1993 (My Page) on Mon, Jan 28, 13 at 10:18
Hi Aliris, Agreed that fridge landing space is important. I'll try to shift the island to do that (reducing the counter on the island side of the range would allow that). Regarding the prep sink, I'm sure it would be useful sometimes, but I think the island would look better without it. So still on the fence there... Hi Herbflavor, You say that you wouldn't proceed with this layout as drawn - could I trouble you to explain why? Thanks! |
- Posted by herbflavor (My Page) on Mon, Jan 28, 13 at 10:57
a lot of dishwashers are handle-less. It seems it would be fine to the left of sink. there will be stuff on island and peninsula so the peninsula location at[pivot and step] from sink seems it would be fine-even better in a way.rinsing of dishes is not de rigeur anymore.I don't know-I just get a funny feeling about the plan-switching range and fridge would help. I think it's something about the "center of gravity"-I'm not feeling it-there are several sections here but in the end, the "center" ends up the floorspace in the middle,oddly. Here's something-what if you had a long elongated U coming off the window wall---the sides would extend less than the peninsula..then do an island running left to right with stools across back. It's more straightforward and "center stage" which to me your space is asking for. I guess the island off to the left seems marginalized to me....for your lg space you get 3 seats? not good use in my opinion. You could have 10-12 feet of island running left to right, along with ends, so calculate seating potential with that. Also-at the left side of a U, coming from piano plaza, you could do the structure necessary to back up your fridge/ panel and finish off end and back so the fridge is situated on that arm of U-facing in. then place bench or deacon's bench on the back of this wall or whatever you construct. This carries theme of bench at front hall.[I like benches] This would be nice in that mini area. Maybe if you just pause,walk through and look at your existing space and ideas on paper as they have evolved and go back to your goals. You'll get something great here. |
- Posted by GauchoGordo1993 (My Page) on Mon, Jan 28, 13 at 11:58
Hi herbflavor, Thanks for the clarification. Regarding the dishwasher placement, my wife observed that the dishwasher is often open while she's prepping (for loading or unloading), so it would be inconvenient between sink & range regardless of the handle. And I agree with you that it would be ok in the peninsula (behind/at right angle to the sink), but my wife veto'd that layout for ergonomic reasons. Also agree that the island is somewhat marginalized in this layout. My previous layout, with cleaning station, was my attempt to center the island. Trouble is, while the space is fairly large overall, it's only 11' wide on the right side, which isn't enough room for wall cabinets on both sides plus an island. So the only way include a left to right island is to remove the bottom wall (as in the cleaning station layout), but that opens it up too much for my wife's taste (line of sight from the front door to kitchen not ok). So we're coming to the conclusion that we can't have it all and that we need to pick the layout with the most acceptable shortcomings. Thanks! |
- Posted by GauchoGordo1993 (My Page) on Mon, Jan 28, 13 at 11:59
duplicate post deleted. |
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- Posted by GauchoGordo1993 (My Page) on Mon, Feb 4, 13 at 1:51
Continuing to develop this plan... Some mods/additions in this version include: - Shifted island 1' right. Range-side cabs are asymmetrical now, but I've concluded it makes sense functionally and it's manageable ascetically. - Moved fridge 6" left, which made snack area (btwn fridge & DW) a little more comfortable. This improves fridge landing in two ways: island is more accessible and right-side counter is bigger. - Added living room furniture and moved piano to wall btwn living & dining rooms. - Bench and cubbies (for kid's backpacks and school stuff) where piano used to be. Hi Aliris, Hi herbflavor, Cheers! |
Hey Gaucho -- I waaaay prefer the new location of the piano in this one. Imagine, swapping an outerwear landing zone for piano! I don't know about you, but I like a little out-of-the-way-edness when I play. That's just way more conducive to concentrating or even performing, where you have it!Formerly in a passageway ... you were wise to move it. As for the rest, I have to defer to the mavens here. I always love to read their criticisms; very informative. |
- Posted by GauchoGordo1993 (My Page) on Fri, Feb 8, 13 at 11:55
Here's my first cut at lighting. The U shaped segments in the living and dining rooms are tracks for illuminating stuff on the walls, and the straight line in the foyer is a cable. The big circles in the foyer, living room table and dining table are large pendants/hanging lamps, and all the other stuff is recessed. I realize that most people prefer the look of recessed lights to tracks, but we really appreciate the flexibility that the tracks offer, especially for illuminating stuff on the walls, and we've also found that recessed lights on exterior ceilings let a lot of cold air in, regardless of how well insulated & installed, and the ceiling in the dining/living area is vaulted/exterior. Do y'all see an issues with this plan? |
- Posted by kaneshoney (My Page) on Mon, Feb 11, 13 at 17:19
I love this new plan :) Love to see the island sink gone! Lighting looks great to me! But that is usually my hubbys job.... Grear job! |
- Posted by GauchoGordo1993 (My Page) on Tue, Sep 17, 13 at 13:57
Finally pulling the trigger on this - demo starts 10/1. Final plan attached. I'm hoping that our kitchen will be functional for Thankgiving, but we'll see. We're going with Sherr's walnut slab fronts on Ikea boxes for the base cabinets and Ikea white for the wall cabs and the tall/pantry cabinet next to the fridge. Wish us luck! Not looking forward to being without a kitchen... |
Exciting. Keep us posted on your progress. Good Luck! |
- Posted by GauchoGordo1993 (My Page) on Thu, Jan 9, 14 at 12:45
Completed kitchen photos at link below |
Here is a link that might be useful: Gordo's walnut and white kitchen
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Chinggis Khan: Conquering the Army That Conquered the World (Released April 2011)
Paula L. W. Sabloff.
Human organization, Vol. 69, No. 1, Spr 2010, pp. 86-96.
Although Mongolian herders sound as if they have adopted capitalist democracy, they are really using the discourse to express their own ideology. Based on cognitive data collected in 1998 and 2003, this paper uses connectionist theory to show that Mongolian herders' political model is shaped by the nexus of three phenomena: (1) a post-socialist political economy granting herders rights and freedoms along with economic responsibility at the family/household level, (2) the pre-socialist cultural themes of appreciation for independence, perception of leaders as distant patrons, and their own isolation from governance; and (3) emotions that guide the interpretation of both, including joy at attaining rights and freedoms, hope of success and fear of failure, and indifference to governance. (PsycINFO Database Record (c) 2010 APA, all rights reserved) (journal abstract)
Michael Alvard.
Human Nature.Special Issue: Evolutionary studies of cooperation, Vol. 20, No. 4, Dec 2009, pp. 394-416.
Chagnon's analysis of a well-known axe fight in the Yanomamö village of Mishimishiböwei-teri (Chagnon and Bugos 1979) is among the earliest empirical tests of kin selection theory for explaining cooperation in humans. Kin selection theory describes how cooperation can be organized around genetic kinship and is a fundamental tool for understanding cooperation within family groups. Previous analysis on groups of cooperative Lamaleran whale hunters suggests that the role of genetic kinship as a principle for organizing cooperative human groups could be less important in certain cases than previously thought (Alvard Human Nature 14:129–163, 2003b). Evidence that supports a strong role for genetic kinship—groups are found to be more related than expected by chance —may be spurious because of the correlation between social structure and genetic kinship. Reanalysis of Chagnon's data using matrix regression techniques, however, confirms that genetic kinship was the primary organizing principle in the axe fight; affinal relations were also important, whereas lineage identity explained nothing. (PsycINFO Database Record (c) 2010 APA, all rights reserved) (journal abstract)
Peter Turchin.
Journal of global history, Vol. 4, No. 2, Jul 2009, pp. 191-218.
Between 3000 BCE and 1800 CE there were more than sixty 'mega-empires' that, at the peak, controlled an area of at least one million square kilometres. What were the forces that kept together such huge pre-industrial states? I propose a model for one route to mega-empire, motivated by imperial dynamics in eastern Asia, the world region with the highest concentration of mega-empires. This 'mirror-empires' model proposes that antagonistic interactions between nomadic pastoralists and settled agriculturalists result in an autocatalytic process, which pressures both nomadic and farming polities to scale up polity size, and thus military power. The model suggests that location near a steppe frontier should correlate with the frequency of imperiogenesis. A worldwide survey supports this prediction: over 90% of mega-empires arose within or next to the Old World's and belt, running from the Sahara desert to the Gobi desert. Specific case studies are also plausibly explained by this model. There are, however, other possible mechanisms for generating empires, of which a few are discussed at the end of the article. Reprinted by permission of Cambridge University Press. An electronic version of this article can be accessed via the internet at http://journals.cambridge.org
Michal Biran and George Lane.
Journal of the Royal Asiatic Society, Vol. 18, No. 2, Apr 2008, pp. 230-233.
The publication of a book by Michal Biran initiates a wave of anticipatory excitement resonating around the world of mediaeval Asian studies. Her papers and presentations have already built her a formidable reputation and therefore it can safely be assumed that any major piece of work which she feels is ready for general distribution is the result and fruit of considerable research and long, meticulous preparation. Her academic credentials were assured and demonstrated to be of the highest calibre with the publication in 2005 of her penetrating monograph on the Qarakhitai while her collaboration with Reuven Amitai in producing 'Mongols, Turks, and Others' established her position amongst the foremost authorities on the Mongol Empire. She represents the new generation of Mongolist scholars who have inherited and built on the hard work of such imposing academics as Boyle, Jackson, de Rachewiltz, Ratchnevsky, Allsen, Morgan et al and are now able to bask in the renaissance of Chinggisid studies.
Robert E. Bedeski.
China and Eurasia forum quarterly, Vol. 6, No. 4, Nov-Dec 2008, pp. 81-102.
By 1279, the Mongols ruled nearly a quarter of the earth's surface. To understand the origins of that remarkable empire and the political dimensions of its founder, Genghis Khan an anthropocentric methodology and theory of human security is used. The core of the theory is that man's will to survive is at the core of social and political institutions. The theory is applied to Mongol nomadic society and the career of Genghis Khan, and explains the unique characteristics of the Mongol state – an entity which was global for its time, and influenced the development of Asian states for centuries.
Robert Hogan.
Mahwah, NJ, US: Lawrence Erlbaum Associates Publishers, 2007, ix
(From the cover) Personality and performance are intricately linked, and personality has proven to have a direct influence on an individual's leadership ability and style, team performance, and overall organizational effectiveness. In Personality and the Fate of Organizations, author Robert Hogan offers a systematic account of the nature of personality, showing how to use personality to understand, evaluate, select, deselect, train, and understand organizations. This book brings insights from a leading industrial organizational psychologist who asserts that personality is real, and that it determines the careers of individuals and the fate of organizations. The author's goal is to increase the reader's ability to understand other people—how they are alike, how they are different, and why they do what they do. Armed with understanding, readers will be able to pursue their personal, social, and organizational goals more efficiently. A practical reference, this book is extremely useful for MBA students and for all those studying organizational psychology and leadership. (PsycINFO Database Record (c) 2010 APA, all rights reserved)
Lyall Armstrong.
Mamluk Studies Review, Vol. 10, No. 2, 2006, pp. 153-160.
The historian describes Genghis Khan's pursuit of God in manifestly Sufi terminology.
Denise Aigle.
Journal of the economic and social history of the Orient, Vol. 47, No. 1, 2004, pp. 31-79.
ABSTRACT IN ENGLISH: Mongol law, the jasaq, has provided the basis for a long tradition of studies which were inaugurated by Petis de la Croix in 1710. He was the first to define a list of precepts of the jasaq, but without taking into consideration either the chronology or their origins. Most subsequent scholars dealing with the question revived this same vision of the jasaq. Debate was especially focused on whether or not the Mongols possessed a written code of laws. But, until now, little discussion has taken place concerning what the jasaq represented for the Mongols themselves and how this Mongol law was perceived by Mediaeval authors who, on the whole, confused the imperial edicts (jasaq) with customs (yosun). The present article is an attempt to clarify these issues. The author examines the jasaq in its politico-cultural context and, in particular, the analysis of the precepts takes into consideration shamanism, the Mongol system of representations. Reasons for the lack of understanding by Muslims of certain customs in disharmony with Islam are thereby highlighted, reasons which led them to see, in the jasaq, an equivalent of the shari'a: a Mongol order imposed on populations which had fallen under their domination. Reprinted by permission of Brill Academic Publishers.
Urgunge Onon and A. Hürelbaatar.
Inner Asia, Vol. 4, No. 1, 2002, pp. 167-169.
Onon's translation of "The Secret History of the Mongols" is reviewed.
Elisabetta Chiodo.
Ural-Altaische Jahrbücher, Vol. 17, No. , 2001, pp. 189-233.
Folk literature and poetry about Chinggis Khan is discussed.
The Mongol Empire and its legacy
R. Irwin.
Leiden: Brill, 5-11
A chapter in a collection of essays on the Mongol Empire is presented.
QuDafeng and LiuJianyi.
Central Asiatic journal, Vol. 42, No. 2, 1998, pp. 283-290.
An article is presented that traces the history of Jochi Khan, the eldest son of Chinggis Khan during the beginning of the Mongol Empire. It attempts to study the subsequent problems that confronted Jochi Khan after the death of his father: inheritance and the transmission of power. French version: Cet article retrace l'histoire du prince Jochi Khan, fils aîné de Chinggis Khan pendant la période initiale de l'empire Mongol. Il s'agit d'étudier les problèmes auxquels fut confronté Jochi Khan à la mort de son père : héritage et transmission du pouvoir.
Urgunge Onon and Alan J. K. Sanders.
Pacific affairs, Vol. 66, No. 1, Spring 1993, pp. 108.
Onon's translation of "The History and Life of Chinggis Khan" is reviewed.
Larry W. Moses.
Folklore, Vol. 99, No. 2, 1988, pp. 170-173.
Moses's examination of "The Secret History of the Mongols" is presented.
J. A. Boyle.
Journal of the Anglo-Mongolian Society, Vol. 4, No. 1, 1978, pp. 8-13.
Genghis Khan's birth and childhood are discussed.
Walter J. Fischel.
Journal of the American Oriental Society, Vol. 76, No. 2, 1956, pp. 91-99.
15th-century Arab polymath Ibn Khaldun's history of Genghis Khan is discussed.
Leonardo Olschki.
Journal of the American Oriental Society, Vol. 67, No. 1, 1947, pp. 54-56.
An episode from "The Secret History of the Mongols" involving the abduction of Chinggis' mother, Ölün, by Yesugei is discussed.
George Vernadsky.
Harvard Journal of Asiatic Studies, Vol. 3, no. 3-4, No. , 1938, pp. 337-360.
The existing fragments of the Yasa, Chinggis Khan's code of laws and ordinances, are discussed.
By 1279, the Mongols ruled nearly a quarter of the earth's surface. To understand the origins of that remarkable empire and the political dimensions of its founder, Genghis Khan an anthropocentric methodology and theory of human security is used. The core of the theory is that man's will to survive is at the core of social and political institutions. The theory is applied to Mongol nomadic society and the career of Genghis Khan, and explains the unique characteristics of the Mongol state - an entity which was global for its time, and influenced the development of Asian states for centuries.
Linda Komaroff and George Lane.
Journal of the Royal Asiatic Society, Vol. 17, No. 4, Oct 2007, pp. 473-479.
A volume comprises papers which were originally delivered at a symposium connected with New York's Museum of Modern Art exhibition of Ilkhanid art but which have subsequently been updated and transformed into fully-fledged erudite monographs is reviewed.
M. Youn, J. C. Kim, H. K. Kim, et al.
19th International Radiocarbon Conference, Keble College, Oxford, England. 3-7 April 2006
The Tavan Tolgoi (Five Holy Hills) site, located in Ongon sum, Sukhbaatar aimag, in southeastern Mongolia, consists of about 20 burials. During the preliminary 2004 excavations conducted by the Department of Anthropology and Archaeology, National University of Mongolia, 7 graves were unearthed. In grave 1 (2004), the skeleton of a woman 40 yr old, wearing golden rings with the inscription of a Siberian falcon, was found together with other ornamental artifacts. In grave 2 (2004), a man with a gold-gilded saddle and a horse were buried. Adornments strongly indicate that these burials date to the Great Mongol Empire period and may relate to the Golden Horde lineage of Genghis Khan. Initial accelerator mass spectrometry (AMS) radiocarbon dating of wood from a coffin at burial 2004-6 (Table 1) gave an age of 860 ± 60 BP, and the age of a human bone sample from burial 2004-1 was determined as 890 ± 40 BP. Subsequent excavations yielded 13 samples for 14C dating, and 7 of them have been dated thus far. The calibrated dates were in the range of AD 1130-1250, which is in agreement with Genghis Khan's life span. Artifacts strongly suggest that these burials belong to nobility or members of the royal family. Given that such burials are hard to find, the Tavan Tolgoi site is expected to yield important archaeological and historical information. In this paper, the historical importance of the artifacts recovered is discussed in light of 14C dating and the results of additional scientific analyses.
Richard A. Gabriel and George Lane.
Journal of the Royal Asiatic Society, Vol. 17, No. 4, Oct 2007, pp. 471-473.
Gabriel's book that examines Genghis Khan's general, Subotai Noyan, is reviewed.
Jack Weatherford and Darwin H. Stapleton.
Technology and culture, Vol. 47, No. 4, Oct 2006, pp. 830-831.
Stapleton reviews "Genghis Khan and the Making of the Modern World," by Jack Weatherford.


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Bible Verses About Watchman On the Wall
Bible verses related to Watchman On the Wall from the King James Version (KJV) by Relevance
Ezekiel 3:17-19 - Son of man, I have made thee a watchman unto the house of Israel: therefore hear the word at my mouth, and give them warning from me. (Read More...)
Isaiah 62:6 - I have set watchmen upon thy walls, O Jerusalem, [which] shall never hold their peace day nor night: ye that make mention of the LORD, keep not silence,
Ezekiel 33:6 - But if the watchman see the sword come, and blow not the trumpet, and the people be not warned; if the sword come, and take [any] person from among them, he is taken away in his iniquity; but his blood will I require at the watchman's hand.
Amos 3:7 - Surely the Lord GOD will do nothing, but he revealeth his secret unto his servants the prophets.
Ezekiel 33:1-33 - Again the word of the LORD came unto me, saying, (Read More...)
Revelation 17:1-18 - And there came one of the seven angels which had the seven vials, and talked with me, saying unto me, Come hither; I will shew unto thee the judgment of the great whore that sitteth upon many waters: (Read More...)
Ephesians 5:14 - Wherefore he saith, Awake thou that sleepest, and arise from the dead, and Christ shall give thee light.
Romans 16:17 - Now I beseech you, brethren, mark them which cause divisions and offences contrary to the doctrine which ye have learned; and avoid them.
Luke 21:36 - Watch ye therefore, and pray always, that ye may be accounted worthy to escape all these things that shall come to pass, and to stand before the Son of man.
Revelation 3:8 - I know thy works: behold, I have set before thee an open door, and no man can shut it: for thou hast a little strength, and hast kept my word, and hast not denied my name.
2 Corinthians 2:11 - Lest Satan should get an advantage of us: for we are not ignorant of his devices.
1 Corinthians 12:28 - And God hath set some in the church, first apostles, secondarily prophets, thirdly teachers, after that miracles, then gifts of healings, helps, governments, diversities of tongues.
Revelation 9:1-21 - And the fifth angel sounded, and I saw a star fall from heaven unto the earth: and to him was given the key of the bottomless pit. (Read More...)
Ephesians 6:12 - For we wrestle not against flesh and blood, but against principalities, against powers, against the rulers of the darkness of this world, against spiritual wickedness in high [places].
2 Corinthians 2:17 - For we are not as many, which corrupt the word of God: but as of sincerity, but as of God, in the sight of God speak we in Christ.
Romans 10:8-13 - But what saith it? The word is nigh thee, [even] in thy mouth, and in thy heart: that is, the word of faith, which we preach; (Read More...)
John 3:16 - For God so loved the world, that he gave his only begotten Son, that whosoever believeth in him should not perish, but have everlasting life.
1 John 4:1 - Beloved, believe not every spirit, but try the spirits whether they are of God: because many false prophets are gone out into the world.
Hebrews 13:17 - Obey them that have the rule over you, and submit yourselves: for they watch for your souls, as they that must give account, that they may do it with joy, and not with grief: for that [is] unprofitable for you.
Mark 7:13 - Making the word of God of none effect through your tradition, which ye have delivered: and many such like things do ye.
Matthew 25:6 - And at midnight there was a cry made, Behold, the bridegroom cometh; go ye out to meet him.
Jeremiah 8:7-9 - Yea, the stork in the heaven knoweth her appointed times; and the turtle and the crane and the swallow observe the time of their coming; but my people know not the judgment of the LORD. (Read More...)
Isaiah 30:10 - Which say to the seers, See not; and to the prophets, Prophesy not unto us right things, speak unto us smooth things, prophesy deceits:
Psalms 19:11 - Moreover by them is thy servant warned: [and] in keeping of them [there is] great reward.
Psalms 19:9 - The fear of the LORD [is] clean, enduring for ever: the judgments of the LORD [are] true [and] righteous altogether.
Numbers 14:38 - But Joshua the son of Nun, and Caleb the son of Jephunneh, [which were] of the men that went to search the land, lived [still].
John 1:14 - And the Word was made flesh, and dwelt among us, (and we beheld his glory, the glory as of the only begotten of the Father,) full of grace and truth.
Matthew 24:21 - For then shall be great tribulation, such as was not since the beginning of the world to this time, no, nor ever shall be.
Jeremiah 27:1-22 - In the beginning of the reign of Jehoiakim the son of Josiah king of Judah came this word unto Jeremiah from the LORD, saying, (Read More...)
Psalms 2:2-3 - The kings of the earth set themselves, and the rulers take counsel together, against the LORD, and against his anointed, [saying], (Read More...)
Job 14:1 - Man [that is] born of a woman [is] of few days, and full of trouble.
Revelation 9:20 - And the rest of the men which were not killed by these plagues yet repented not of the works of their hands, that they should not worship devils, and idols of gold, and silver, and brass, and stone, and of wood: which neither can see, nor hear, nor walk:
Revelation 6:15 - And the kings of the earth, and the great men, and the rich men, and the chief captains, and the mighty men, and every bondman, and every free man, hid themselves in the dens and in the rocks of the mountains;
Titus 1:3 - But hath in due times manifested his word through preaching, which is committed unto me according to the commandment of God our Saviour;
1 Thessalonians 4:16 - For the Lord himself shall descend from heaven with a shout, with the voice of the archangel, and with the trump of God: and the dead in Christ shall rise first:
1 Corinthians 1:21 - For after that in the wisdom of God the world by wisdom knew not God, it pleased God by the foolishness of preaching to save them that believe.
John 14:2 - In my Father's house are many mansions: if [it were] not [so], I would have told you. I go to prepare a place for you.
John 6:29 - Jesus answered and said unto them, This is the work of God, that ye believe on him whom he hath sent.
Isaiah 62:7 - And give him no rest, till he establish, and till he make Jerusalem a praise in the earth.
Proverbs 30:8 - Remove far from me vanity and lies: give me neither poverty nor riches; feed me with food convenient for me:
Psalms 127:2 - [It is] vain for you to rise up early, to sit up late, to eat the bread of sorrows: [for] so he giveth his beloved sleep.
Psalms 56:10 - In God will I praise [his] word: in the LORD will I praise [his] word.
Psalms 12:6-7 - The words of the LORD [are] pure words: [as] silver tried in a furnace of earth, purified seven times. (Read More...)
Job 7:1 - [Is there] not an appointed time to man upon earth? [are not] his days also like the days of an hireling?
John 14:3 - And if I go and prepare a place for you, I will come again, and receive you unto myself; that where I am, [there] ye may be also.
Job 7:10 - He shall return no more to his house, neither shall his place know him any more.
Revelation 13:1-18 - And I stood upon the sand of the sea, and saw a beast rise up out of the sea, having seven heads and ten horns, and upon his horns ten crowns, and upon his heads the name of blasphemy. (Read More...)
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Tampa Bay starts to get a migration of Tarpon in early spring. Tarpon are one of Tampa's premier Sport Fishing charters Tampa Fl. When you hook into a Tarpon aka The Silver King on your Sport Fishing charters Tampa Fl you will know you have hooked the fish of a life time! The battle will begin,your heart will start pumping,the adrenaline will flow and the sweat will pour from your body and you battle to bring your sport fishing charters Tampa Fl trophy boat side! Every jump and drag ripping run will put you the man or women angler to the test! Are you ready for your sport fishing charters Tampa Fl adventure of a life time?
What kind of boat will be be fishing from with our Tampa Bay fishing guide?
You will be aboard a fully restored Proline,24 foot in length and built for shallow draft and also to handle the choppy open Tampa Bay fishing charters waters. You can read more about the boat by clicking on The Boat tab at the top of the page.
A little about your Tampa Bay Fishing Guide Capt. Steve Betz
Capt. Steve has lived in Tampa since 1969. He relocated to Tampa at the young age of 9 years old along with his mother,father and 5 brothers and sisters. Steve's passion for fishing started at a young age fishing the local ponds,lakes and rivers. I the early 80′s Steve was introduced to the world of Snook fishing. Snook fishing was like no other he had done and he quickly became addicted to the salt. Over the years Steve stalked the many variety's of fish expanding his knowledge of Tampa Bay. With more than 25 years of salt water fishing experience tucked into his tackle box he began his career as a full time Tampa Bay Fishing guide. Capt. Steve brings over 200 days a year of time spent on Tampa Bay to each and every one of his Tampa Bay Fishing Charters. As your fishing guide Tampa Fl Capt Steve will cater all types of fishermen,young,older,experienced and novice. Steve loves the opportunity to be able to share his knowledge and experiences as a Tampa Bay fishing guide. Capt. Steve runs a family friendly Fishing Charters Tampa Fl.