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OK, I've made it this far. Wanna help me figure out what to put where?
What can't move:
What I'd like to fit in here: - The island is a bear; I wasn't prepared to have one and hadn't thought about it much. I am getting an 18" round prep sink. I also want at least 1, preferably 2, places to sit. We can cheat on clearances and overhangs a little bit because these seats are not for dining. They are for me to work at on occasion, and mostly to keep people out of my hair while cooking.
The one dimension I see missing is the aisle between the island and fridge. It's 47". You know I want my fair share of gadgetry. Any ideas? |
Follow-Up Postings:
- Posted by live_wire_oak (My Page) on Fri, Sep 14, 12 at 19:24
I think I would actually put the trash on the island next to the prep sink, as prepping tends to generate the most refuse. A small secondary trash could go under the cleanup sink, but the usefulness of it will depend on where you see yourself eating primarily and how you handle waste from that. If you use a garbage disposal or compost a lot of food waste, then it's probably not needed. For larger gatherings where you eat in the DR, it's a straight shot past the island trash to scrape and then dump in the main sink until someone can put them in the DW. It's not clear how much space you have between the range and the "dead" cabinet, but two pantry pullouts on each side of the range would be a good look visually as well as house oils and spices. Or one pull out and one tray base would look visually similar. Depends on what you have more of that needs a home. If you do a lot of baking, I can see the area to the right of the range becoming a dedicated spot for that, and you could possibly even use a lower height counter to assist you with that. Again, not sure where the shallow cabinet stops, but you could do a mixer lift cabinet for one of the bases if it won't be at home on the counter. For things like a coffee maker and toaster, I'd put them on the counter to the left of the main sink, close to the nook. Possibly disguise them with a solid door appliance garage that either slides back or lifts up. It could create a hutch type look with glass above and even be disguised to look like drawers if you did a lift up door. To further keep people out of your hot zone when cooking, you could take that shallow top drawer and make it a pull out cutting board. That would block traffic from the dining room, but block your access to the baking supplies if you did the baking area. Another use for that area to the right could be for liquor storage and I don't think that the pull out cutting board would block access to the prep/bar sink if it were that round sink that you want and was directly on the corner as a diagonal. |
Awesome ideas. I think I would actually put the trash on the island next to the prep sink Could I finagle a trash pullout to open toward the main sink run? This way one trash would be usable for both prep and cleanup--just shove it down the counter. It's not clear how much space you have between the range and the "dead" cabinet, but two pantry pullouts Good thought. The amount of space isn't clear to us, either, the way the cabs are built now, so we'll need to determine it at demo. To further keep people out of your hot zone when cooking, you could take that shallow top drawer and make it a pull out cutting board. Excellent. I literally was contemplating hooks for a velvet rope. I'm not kidding. I have the rope. Sort of that, "Heh. Heh. You're so funny. Heh. Um. You're serious aren't you? I'm backing up now. I'm backing up now." The cutting board is less insane and I could still get a utensil drawer under it. That upper cab by the DR will be used for barware at least. It's visible from the front door and has to be modestly presentable as well as handy for cocktails. |
All I hear in my head when I look at other people's floorplans is that "wah-wah-wah" of Charlie Brown's teacher. I have nothing to offer other than I'm happy to see the arched dining nook area! |
Can the range scootch a bit left so it is symmetrical between those windows? I do like the layout ! What are your trash/compost/recycling requirements? I ended up putting the main trash and recycles next to the prep sink. Each sink has a compost bucket underneath. That works well for us. We only generate one bag a week of landfill trash (family of four) so I think if i had to do over and it were possible, the 50/50 split between trash and recycles would be like 25/75 or 35/65. With just a tiny landfill trash (like they put on my office waste basket to comply with SF law). |
My 2 cents Marcolo.. I love the overall balance in the kitchen.. I like the prep sink location.. You can rinse, chop, swivel and toss into the pan.. Trash in this location would be handy.. I would consider moving the pantry to the DW run in the corner near the arched opening to mud room.. Would be handy to come in and unload all the stuff.. If you do this and scootch the fride to the corner where you show the pantry, you can potentially do a counter that is open to both the dining room and kitchen.. A wide arch that spans this counter and the entry would be nicer than the door and give you a very useful landing zone near the dining table. Even if this dual sided opening is not possible, I would still ove the pantry and make this a counter to provide you a landing zone near the breakfast nook.. Would be a nice place for snac/ coffee station as well. I love your breakfast nook as it seem that people will be able to see the other person naturally across the table I think. What is the light situation here.. Perhaps the corner near the back porch could have a window? It looks like a spot you would hang out a lot. If you are use commenting on clowns on the GW kitchen forum with a cup of coffee and someone rings the doorbell, it would be convenient to check through the window.. Gadgetry what do you wish to have. It would be good to know as the layout decisions are considered. |
- Posted by shannonplus2 (My Page) on Fri, Sep 14, 12 at 20:43
Marcolo, I am terrible at layout so can't advise you. I just had to post on this thread to tell you I laughed out loud at your velvet rope comment. I soo wish! I then immediately thought of Johnliu's superb thread "The Maginot Line....". (I'm on my iphone, so can't link it) |
- Posted by herbflavor (My Page) on Fri, Sep 14, 12 at 20:53
Does a microwave have a designated cabinet or location? Not seeing one... |
The breakfast nook looks like it is in a very interior space (far from light and windows). Wouldn't you like to be looking out a window when you are at the table? Or at least be in a well-lit area? I don't like it that my kitchen table is in the darkest part of my kitchen. |
Herbflavor-- that is exactly what I remembered too:) |
Here is a link that might be useful: Johnliu's Maginot line thread.. Cooking is sometimes like war
- Posted by lavender_lass (My Page) on Fri, Sep 14, 12 at 21:20
It looks wonderful! The mudroom is a great feature and it ties in so well, with the banquette :) But, I don't think you should put seating on the baquette side of the island. Instead, I'd have glass cabinets, with dishes. That would be much nicer to look at (from the banquette) than the back of the stools. Can you make the island a bit shorter and have room for a stool at each end? It would work, if you moved the prep sink over just a bit...and made more space between the island and main sink. To keep the scale, I would have the island about the same size as the banquette...otherwise, it seems like the banquette is too small. But, maybe that's just me. Something like this?
What is a dead cab? |
- Posted by liriodendron (My Page) on Fri, Sep 14, 12 at 21:32
Marcolo wrote: "I was literally thinking of a velvet rope..." That made me laugh! There used to be (in the 70's, I think) a TV sitcom that partly took place in a hospital or clinic waiting room. And one of the characters was always ordering people to stand "back of the white line". It became a watch word in our household and my new kitchen floor plan has a white line designed into the floor treatment - two of them actually. After 32 years of marriage, my DH is well trained, but we have also schooled successive generations of pets to stay "back of the white line" to keep them clear of the working zone. (Sometimes, in some kitchens, it has just been a band of white duct tape serving the purpose.) Now we're stuck with it. L. |
Could I finagle a trash pullout to open toward the main sink run? This way one trash would be usable for both prep and cleanup--just shove it down the counter. Our island trash pulls out toward our main sink, as you're proposing in this question. It serves us well for both cooking/prep and cleanup. I thought maybe I'd need a trash under the prep sink, which is on the opposite corner (same end) of the island, but it's not necessary. I love this layout. |
- Posted by mtnrdredux (My Page) on Sat, Sep 15, 12 at 9:01
Are the grey walls structural? Not crazy about the pantry and fridge being different depths, unless you flank the fridge w 2 pantries. But weren't you going for an icebox look? I also like landing space and trash right next to my fridge. Easier to unload groceries with landing space. And, sadly, we try to eat a lot of fresh produce and that means we throw a lot out. It's handy to open the fridge door and be able to just toss stuff in the trash. Can you put interior windows on either side of the banquette, to add light? I really like the range flanked by windows and the way it lines up pretty well as a focal point when you are sitting at the banquette. The island looks too wide to me. Also, I am a bit anti-island. I am not crazy about an island in what already has some retro nods .... arch, nook. I'd rather see a table, on wheels. I am also not sure why someone would sit there, when the nook is so close. Nook seems much more pleasant for a guest to converse with you while you cook. I suppose I also hate sitting on mean little stools. |
Thoughts: I'm not sure I'd want the prep sink abutting a corner of the island. I guess this way you can get help prepping from someone out of your way, but while I've found I like to prep on the left side of the prep sink vs. the right, I also like to have some space on the right side when my left side is full. Sometimes DS sits there and we play scrabble while I prep/cook. Island venting - we put our bow vent in an (I still think this is incredibly clever but of course we haven't gone through plumbing inspection yet) adjacent cabinet :). Our island sink is in a 36" cabinet and we have 3 trash pullouts, 1 trash, 1 plastic and other recycling, and 1 paper. I love the setup. Where are your cookbooks going? How about a bookshelf and a chair at the end of the island? And where have you planned to put the parrot? |
- Posted by herbflavor (My Page) on Sat, Sep 15, 12 at 9:40
I'd probably leave traditional depth bases and counters at big sink[top] end of kitchen. That will change the scale and allow the island to remain as is,without changing its dimension.It's a large island-it is an "island"kitchen, so may as well give it it's due. Need the 4 or 6 inches given back to walking area at the top. All functions will work better[walking through/prep/cleanup/visuals] with that change I think. The other option-to scale some inches off island is a possibility,but with beautiful chunky top and the material choices you'll pick i think the island as is has it's good points.People will want to hang there more than you realize.I'd aim for overhang with even more than 2 stools of a style that can be pushed under of course. Maybe the table top in the breakfast nook could be downsized-a petite look there could be actually more interesting-doesn't have to be tiny,but scale it back and showcase the benches/cushions/walls-when you get to it-decorative and fun.The people positioned at island can glance out windows,or around range mantle,or over at delightful nook.Counterpoints. |
OK, let me catch up. Marcydc--I'm going to ask about the range being off-center. Hope it's not due to a post or something. These are the plans from the estimating set, so the next step is to address the details. We just went to single-stream recycling, so now we need a place for one larger recycling bin rather than several smaller ones. lalitha & donaleen--There will be plenty of light in the nook. The partition walls also have arched openings in them. herbflavor--I'm trying to figure out where to hide the MW. Back of the island toward the range? Seems like a lot of stuff wants to be on that corner. I've been trying to find photos that combine MWs with a pullout pantry, but no luck yet. Anybody find some, let me know! lavender, I think the bottom is the likeliest candidate for seating. Not sure I'd want someone sitting in that aisle at the top, though. linelle, long story but that cab houses the basement walkout. Just think of it as an unopenable large box sitting under the window. It leaves enough room for a top drawer, and maybe for an extremely shallow-depth cab (like to hang potholders or something), but that's all. liriodendron, maybe I should do a police line in my Marmo. rhome410, I thought you had that setup. I need to find a picture of beagle's two-way trash opening. That might be handy. ntnrdredux, the gray walls are mostly the new construction. The pantry and fridge will NOT be different depths--not sure why she drew them that way. The island is there for pure function--I need the sink. Also I was considering putting an under-counter wall oven there, because the range I'm considering has small ovens. But that may not happen now. I'm hoping to make it at least LOOK like a table. Old bat2be (great name)--what did you mean about the bow vent? I'm not sure I follow? Cookbooks are in my sunroom for now. That's OK but I would like to add a few shelves in the kitchen. |
It's fantastic, Marcolo. I'm so glad you were able to keep that wonderful nook. At least some guests will be easy to keep out of the way. Have you chosen your 1 or 2 stools yet? I'd think that would be the next step for island layout. The right size and shape to disappear tidily under your island in minimal space. The only suggestion I mined from my own simple kitchen won't work for you but I value it too much to just blow off--vertical storage at your island prep station for some great DW-safe cutting boards, wood or whatever. Fantastic for pivoting the veggies into the saute pan and then continuing briskly on to sink and DW. :) |
- Posted by circuspeanut (My Page) on Sat, Sep 15, 12 at 10:14
I'm not sure why you'd put chairs/stools at the island right in front of the seating at the nook? (As you know I abominate island seating, though, so my sciatica may be squawking here.) For guests, I just can't see people negotiating leggy stools when there are comfortable bench seats 2 feet away. Alternately, they pack up two deep on stools AND nook and increase your claustrophobic sense of being in a packed auditorium as you cook. For your own bean-shelling needs, wouldn't a stool be better positioned at the end of the island with the prep sink in front of it and pullout trash beneath/next to it? I'd want more space on the side of the prep sink, so things don't careen off the edge. In my experience with my prep sink (as a right-handed cook), I want unruly unwashed rutabegas piled on the left and washed ones neatly stacked on a cutting board to the right. As you have it now you will have to stack half the items behind the faucet wherever you are standing; not ideal. More space between prep sink and edge of island also means more space to plunk items as you pull them out of/put them in to the fridge - nearby landing space is at a premium with this fridge position. The benefit of a round prep sink is that you can put your prep sink faucet on the back inside corner for full use of the sink from both island edges. --> Will you still be doing a long shallow shelf above the counter, under the upper cabinetry, for mise storage? |
- Posted by mtnrdredux (My Page) on Sat, Sep 15, 12 at 10:18
ooh ooh ooh, a range w small ovens is probably european ... which one!? The top of your island lines up with the arch, but the bottom is a bit shorter. Maybe make it longer so that you have it as a landing are for things going into or out of the fridge? Which way does the fridge door open? |
circus, when my sister is here she likes to be right next to me when I cook "so I can talk to him." I mean, she stands right in the prep corner between sink and range! My SIL is even worse, if possible. She likes to harm--um, help--in the kitchen by actually sticking her hands onto my cutting board to push the veg around. Yes, I was tempted. So I think one seat at least could keep them perched out of my way. I think you're right about more space between sink and edge. That's just a placeholder for now, anyway. How big a landing space would be ideal? Also, what do you mean by "back inside corner?" mtnredux, I'm hesitant to lengthen the island because that's the one spacious aisle in the whole kitchen. Gives people a place to mill about, no? |
About your trash; we have 2 trash pull-outs. The one by the prep sink gets 90% of the trash. And as for microwave placement. mine is at waist level in the pantry and I love it there.... |
- Posted by williamsem (My Page) on Sat, Sep 15, 12 at 12:11
Looks like a lovely kitchen! I bet those arches will look great. I don't have much to offer, but it looks like the upper in the lower right corner could match the spacing from the window that the one on the other side of the range by adding 3 inches? |
Here is a link that might be useful: vintage porcelain enamel table on ebay
(For some reason this post has all the sentences very elongated to the sides which is a pain to read so I'm staying out) But I did see one point - I wouldn't lengthen the island as you already have quite a bit going on at the bottom end of it. You have 2 entrances into it including one from the DR which would involve people carrying things in/out. You also have people coming in/out of your nook going to the fridge, etc and if you lengthen it you could create a pinch point from there. |
- Posted by athomeinva (My Page) on Sat, Sep 15, 12 at 14:08
There has been a lot of discussion on various threads on aisle width vs. island size and I will say that my experience with 43 inches cab to cab, 41 counter to counter is it is fine for one, tight for 2, and a big pita for any more. My island cabinet is 28 inches deep with a 31 inch counter and 65/68 inches long, no prep sink but there is room if I had wanted. It is a good size space and I can get a lot done on it. You may want to think a bit more on your dimensions and how you will use the islands vs. how you will operate with the floor space. |
I had measured and tried out aisle widths but I'll do it again before I order. The nook table will, I hope, have a porcelain enamel top but it was too much of a PITA to use on the island. I'm trying to do a full-on first draft of a cab layout now. |
Here's my first attempt. I already see lots wrong. I just had to work through it to see what would fit where. Island is a big problem and so is the area right by the stove. |
- Posted by lavender_lass (My Page) on Sat, Sep 15, 12 at 19:59
It looks good, to me! I really like the shelves on the end of the island. Perfect for cookbooks or display and close to the banquette, for looking through recipes :) |
- Posted by live_wire_oak (My Page) on Sat, Sep 15, 12 at 20:36
You really need 9" for a good pantry/spice pullout. A 6" can fit spices, but not some of the larger oil containers. And as good as the LeMans corner unit is, it's still a blind corner and any L shaped corner cabinet will beat it hands down for access, even without a lazy susan. It's great for bulky items like paper towels, pet food, bulk sacks of rice or flour, etc. I'd do the L shaped corner, and then use the other 15" next to the sink for either a 4 drawer stack for towels and other linens or that could be a prime location for a trash and recycling with a foot operated pedal. It's just across from your prep zone and next to the cleanup zone. Most lines offer a 15" two container pull out that would go there. I personally prefer the ones that are top mounted. For the corner, I seem to recall that you do not like lazy susans, but one can hold all manner of small electrics and pots. Or, as mentioned, without the susan, it can hold bulkier items. Gotta have better numbers on what the exact blockage is to the right of the range to offer more useful advice other than don't get bogged down in symmetry since the island will shield the range view from the counter down. There really isn't any vantage point that you're going to be able to stand and point out that the lowers aren't matchy. As long as you get some form of pleasing symmetry for the uppers around the focal point of the range, whatever else you do will be fine as long as it works. For the island, I understand wanting a stool so you can sit to prep for some items, but I have to challenge you as to the "need" for a second stool. If there's no stool there then just maybe your sister or other visitors will sit in the nook since it's right there. And, well, since there isn't a place for her to sit at the island, let her stand and become uncomfortable enough to go sit down! :) I think you mentioned that that end of the kitchen has a bit of a view from the front door or other public space? If so, then a glass fronted bookcase/display case at the end of the island could be a good choice. If not, and you have another place for the cookbooks, I wouldn't add one. I'd want a drawer stack with inserts for all of my prep gadgets on the island. Make your own dividers for the garlic smasher, pastry scraper, pizza cutter, tongs, skim strainer, citrus zester, etc. Think of it like Julia's pegboard, but horizontal instead of vertical. Heck, instead of a wall next to the fridge there, I might think about doing a pegboard organizer as the side refrigerator panel. That could handle a lot of skillets and griddles and other flat cookware. |
- Posted by shannonplus2 (My Page) on Sun, Sep 16, 12 at 12:58
Think of it like Julia's pegboard, but horizontal instead of vertical. Heck, instead of a wall next to the fridge there, I might think about doing a pegboard organizer as the side refrigerator panel. That could handle a lot of skillets and griddles and other flat cookware. Livewire's comment make me think of one of my favorite Gardenweb kitchens, with its pegboard homage to Julia Child. Histokitch's Thread - oh that hood, those shelves, that light fixture |
- Posted by westsider40 (My Page) on Sun, Sep 16, 12 at 17:53
Next to the dw drawer, Instead of a 3 drawer stack, make it 4 drawers . two pulls. My 36 wide cab is 31 wide inside. Top drawer -2full sets of utensils, knives, gadgets. Second drawer has a n in drawer knife holder for maybe 14 knives and clips, rubber bands , scotch tapes, post its, address book, reamer, etc. Third is for foils , bags, wraps, Fourth is tupperware and mixing bowls. In this stack I have ost all the little stuff. Remember tohave the lowers made with dividers which are up and down and go sideways or front to back. That way you wont have to nest most stuff, such as bakeware, pots, pans casseroles, IMPORTANT |
Are the base cabs along the sink wall 30'' deep? And the cabs along the range wall 24''? Have you considered 15'' deep wall cabs on the sink wall? And for that matter, on down the range wall as well? |
- Posted by cluelessincolorado (My Page) on Mon, Sep 17, 12 at 0:48
What are your plans for the cabinets facing the nook? I keep coming back to them and wondering if they could shrink 3" to give you a little more room behind the range. |
Did you live with your mock up for awhile? Small kitchens don't have the luxery of wide aisles. Our range aisle is 37" counter edge to edge. I love it It's only a pivot from the island where I do all our prepping. Your measurements appear to be cabinet to cabinet. If you have the usual 1.5" overhang then your range aisle is 36" wide and even smaller with the range handles. Make sure you have enough room to open the oven doors. Is this going to be OK for you? Where does your single stream recycling go? I wouldn't like people asking me to move so they can throw away their beverage container if it's under the prep sink. I think the bookcase is a waste in a small kitchen. I would put a 12" cabinet with a door and top drawer next to the prep sink for cutting boards (I have a lot of cutting boards) and move down the 27" stack. Increase the two 24" cabs facing the nook to 30" each. OR you could add a 9" pullout for oils and such and make the 27" stack to 30". I agree with livewireoak - you don't need symmetry since the island is blocking the view. I wouldn't worry about the cabinet to the right of the range. Make it as small as possible to get as much usuable space from your kitchen. Finally, plan out where everything will live before you order your cabinets. This will determine if you need a stack of 3 or 4 drawers or a cabinet with a door. |
- Posted by circuspeanut (My Page) on Mon, Sep 17, 12 at 10:45
Remember to have the lowers made with dividers which are up and down and go sideways or front to back. That way you wont have to nest most stuff, such as bakeware, pots, pans casseroles, IMPORTANT Westsider -- I'm not sure I understand what you mean. Could you explain or do you have a photo? |
CP, I'm not Westsider but I believe what is meant are drawer dividers like this Ikea one: Westsider, please do correct me if I'm wrong! hth |
- Posted by lavender_lass (My Page) on Mon, Sep 17, 12 at 12:25
Marcolo- Do you have an elevation drawing for the banquette area? Are you planning to use arches or more of a 'window' look, for the two openings? Also, how much room do you think you'll need on the island for prep? It looks like you have about 42" by the sink. Is that enough space? I only ask, because I'm debating about a small prep sink in my island...and I'd have about that much room. |
Bellsmom--Yes, I'm doing deeper uppers. Good call. clueless--I'm going to look at the island dimensions again, and see if I can squeeze it just a little bit. Not sure which side needs room more, though. pam--yeah, I know I need to account for overhangs. Cabs are custom so can be whatever size, within reason. I'd put recycling by the main sink, not the prep area. The main reason why I thought of the bookshelves, besides useful function, is to balance out the overhang. I don't want this to say "island"--I want it to say '20s worktable. I still can't get a clear picture of the island in my head, because I hadn't planned on having one. Working on a new cab arrangement, if I ever finish it. |
lavender, elevations haven't been done yet. Weren't necessary to get bids, but we'll be getting those done as well. Those will be arched openings. One of the issues with the island is adequate prep space. If I use an 18" sink and also have a 12" overhang there, I'm not sure I've got enough prep space left. Still working on it. |
Marcolo I know you prefer attached door susans, but when you have time, take a quick look at a thread I posted on retrofitting susans into a corner cabinet in 15'' uppers. They can be adjusted up and down for maximum storage, minimum waste vertical clearance. Link is below. I do realize you probably are not planning 15'' uppers around the corner. Don't think it can be made to work if 15'' meets 12''. But maybe worth a quick look anyway. Skim through the verbiage. Pics tell the story. Sandra |
Here is a link that might be useful: Corner susans in 15'' uppers
Sandra, I'm not sure whether I'll have a setup like that, but I wanted to tell you, you should seriously look into making and selling those. |
- Posted by lavender_lass (My Page) on Mon, Sep 17, 12 at 15:21
Marcolo- That's my concern with the island prep sink, too. Not much room left for prep. Just an idea (may not work for you, at all) but have you ever considered the pantry being to the right of the range (past the dead space) and the fridge moving down, with the prep sink next to it? It would be handy to the fridge and the dining room. Something like this?
- Posted by lavender_lass (My Page) on Mon, Sep 17, 12 at 15:28
Also, I meant to ask...can you have a slightly larger window, over the main sink? It would look so much brighter, IMHO. And, if you don't have a sink on the island...you could use more of a freestanding/furniture type of piece, if you like. Maybe something a little more vintage? :) |
My island top's 59" long, 39" deep. I've never gotten around to putting in the prep sink we plumbed for on the right side of the island from where I prep, so I'm a little limited on speaking from experience; however--I never prep where the sink would go. That end is always unused--except for setting out food at parties. If I need more space than my basic 3+ feet or so, it's usually to the counter behind me next to the stove. Another project and/or cook if needed goes on the counter to the left of the stove, or even the outside of the island at holidays. But main prep never stretches to 59". FWIW. :) |
- Posted by celticmoon (My Page) on Mon, Sep 17, 12 at 17:26
Psssst, marcolo Go to photobucket and resize the pic of the layout in your first post. A little smaller please. |
Here's round 2. Still not happy but I'll keep playing. |
celtic, I've resized that photo four times. The forum doesn't want to cooperate for some reason. |
Bellsmom you never cease to amaze me. You are such a helpful contributor to this forum! Yes, I absolutely have to have that discussion with my cabinet maker and maximize that space. I still have to make a final decision about the 30" cabs--I am not sure how useful they are there. They do allow a continuous countertop line between the mudroom area, which is narrower, and the kitchen, which is wider. And I might be able to get a good shelf back there. But everything has to balance out. What's killing me now is that I just can't "get" what to do with the island. I know I want a sink, and trash has to be there somewhere, but then I'm stuck. |
Thanks for the comment. I frequently feel I am being a PIA, but I tend to just blunder on. Just thinkin' about your 30'' run. If the drain is in the rear of the sink and could be routed quickly to the back of a 30'' deep by 30'' wide cab, I bet you could have at least 2 30'' drawers of more or less conventional (24'') depth underneath the sink. Might be that the top drawer would have to be shorter and less deep than the bottom one. Worth considering maybe. Can't see why it might not work. A lot better, IMO, than the conventional tangle of storage under a sink. And you'd still have access to the pipes by just pulling out the drawers. Sandra |
- Posted by chris11895 (My Page) on Mon, Sep 17, 12 at 21:20
I'm late to the party, so I'm still reading all of the posts... In regards to the Microwave, how often do you use it? We put ours in a pantry cabinet. It had to be a smaller MW. It's fine for us because we don't seem to use it that much. It wasn't a pullout pantry, but I feel like you could finagle that, I'm just thinking about the cord... |
The drain will be on the side, rather than the rear--there are fewer options with cast iron sinks. But that should leave 1 side free. I'd rather see cab doors there because I'm doing a vintage look. Great idea, though! Maybe I could do a pullout that's as wide as the free space under the sink? chris, I use the MW fairly often to reheat and even to cook--heat up broth or melt butter I forgot to soften. I'm assuming the MW would be stationary in the pantry cab with openings above or below. |
Probably you have seen the ''White Zen Kitchen''. But take a second look at the design of her island as seen in the 5th (I think) picture. You might be able to adapt some of the ideas here. |
Here is a link that might be useful: White zen kitchen island
It's the FOURTH picture. Wish we could edit a post after it's posted!! |
- Posted by circuspeanut (My Page) on Tue, Sep 18, 12 at 15:33
Imagine the island is an open table. Now, where do you want the trash can, for instance? I'd personally put it right under the side of the small sink where you'll be prepping, for most effective sweeping of turnip tops into trash. Many is the time I wished for a second pullout trash under my prep sink in the old kitchen, and I'll be putting one in for sure in the new. |
Circus, do you mean under the sink but opening down? There will be a GD there, but I suppose a small trash pullout would fit. But I think when I sweep I do it over a counter, not the empty sink hole, no? |
- Posted by circuspeanut (My Page) on Wed, Sep 19, 12 at 11:29
M - yes, sorry, I meant a pullout trash to the side of the prep sink, so that you can pull it open and sweep right down into it from the counter that's next to the sink. I'd find that more useful than the position you've given it across from the big sink in your proposal. Was checking out David T Smith and here is an example of an island that feels more tabley than most: |
I recall seeing a table-style island in a design mag some years ago. It had a sink, and through some clever bit of carpentry they had run the plumbing inside the legs of the island (or maybe more accurately, they ran the plumbing along side the real legs, then trimmed it out to conceal the plumbing and make it look like a chunkier table leg). Something to consider? Sorry I don't have a pic. |
OK--Another attempt. Point out whatever you want, but please tell me first if the island makes a lick of sense. This setup includes one paper towel holder in the island, none on the perimeter. So you have to turn around to grab a P.T. from the cleanup sink, but just scootch down from the prep sink. That side also includes a drawer opening toward the main sink with wraps, foils, plastics etc. so I can use them while prepping (as I do) and they are also handy for cleanup. The 18" drawer width is fine for that but I don't know what to put below it. The trash also opens toward the sink. It's an 18" cab. Maybe recycling can go elsewhere or is that big enough? I've also got to revisit an 18" prep sink. I did a cutout and it looks huge. In the Boston area you aren't allowed to see any sinks in person, unless they're at HD. |
- Posted by live_wire_oak (My Page) on Wed, Sep 19, 12 at 21:58
An 18" prep sink will usually have at least an inch to an inch and a half flange around it, making the interior 15"-16" round. That's what the opening in the counter will be, so it won't take up 18" of counter space. If you do want the island to look like a table, you can use a shallow tail piece and attach the P trap immediately to it, and then run the Studor vent adjacent and the drain can run down one of the legs and be boxed in to look like a solid piece. It needs an EXPERT plumber and cabinet installer, but that leaves it looking like a console, with a thicker apron. It will give you room for more stools and take away the storage underneath unless you want to do something like a slatted wood base on which you place decorative cannisters or appliances, etc. You see that with very modern kitchens a lot more than you do with traditional ones, so you might check with any local Euro showrooms to see if they have anyone who can pull it off for you. |
lwo, you're right about the flange. I had a brain cramp when I cut out the sink shape. The interior is only 15"-ish, so undermounted, it should be fine. I love the look of the really elevated island/tables but need the storage. I may do an extra high toekick, or not. I've also seen people simply use glamor-plated drain pipes and supply lines, like with a console sink, and simply expose them as they go down. It looks good as long as the island is only a bit elevated off the floor. Is it reasonable to keep towels behind the main sink, so you have to turn around when you wash your hands? |
- Posted by melissastar (My Page) on Thu, Sep 20, 12 at 1:21
Marcolo: I don't think it's insane to have the PT holder where you've got it. But I'd put dishtowels in the 15" cab to the right of the main sink. At least for me, I'm more likely to use PT when cleaning up messes on my prep area and a cloth towel when drying dishes or my hands. Where are you planning to keep things such as oils, soy sauce, PAM, and the like? I like mine near the range, rather than in a pantry cabinet. And where will stuff like baking powder, dry yeast, extracts, etc. go? You've apparently got some empty drawer space...just wondering if you've accounted for this stuff. Also rolling pins, cookie cutters, pie weights, silicone baking mats, etc.? Maybe in the 18" island stack, under the foil, wraps, etc? |
I'd start hating having to turn around to get a paper towel, esp if my hands or something was a drippy mess. Can you mount a holder on the inside of your big sink door? You posed the question a couple times now so it seems that the placement is bugging you. IMHO. The rest of the layout is looking good! |
melissastar--yes, that cab is perfect for paper towels. I think wraps and foils, too. I'm still thinking about oils and such. I am putting food ingredients right in the glass cabs--I like to see them. I hate looking at boxes of prepared food but enjoy seeing canisters of baking powder and boxes of Kosher salt. It's not just a philosophical difference either--ever notice how differently the packages are designed for prepared foods? Big hideous photos of "serving suggestions?" I might bite the bullet and put extra pt to the right of the sink anyway. So here was my big revelation: Why can't I have trash pullout that's wider than it is deep? Works much better for my layout. Here are two new attempts. One is for two island seats, the other for just one. Which is better? Or should the single seat island be at the bottom? If I do it's only a switch of the shallow cabs on the left. I stuck a trash grommet in there. I think this can work but I need a good, tight-sealing lid that doesn't look ridiculous in a vintage kitchen. |
THANK YOU! Good thoughts--I already incorporated some. Like moving the PT. I think I'll put wraps and foils in that narrow cab next to the cleanup sink. I usually need them either when prepping or during cleanup, so they'll be convenient to that. Yes, they're far from the fridge there but I think it'll be OK. I keep going back and forth between stool at the end and stool(s) on the side. The aisle is not big enough for a full kitchen stadium-type seating setup, with stools all lined up like an audience; nor do I want that. So the bottom seems sensible for seating, including for prep, as you say. However, that really cramps my prep space on the island. I sit to prep only when I'm doing something very repetitive (huge bag of fava beans) or when I get really tired after a marathon cooking session and need to sit for a few minutes. |
- Posted by mtnrdredux (My Page) on Thu, Sep 20, 12 at 11:27
I prefer one seat, but I think it should be at the bottom, where there is more aisle space. I have to admit that I am anti-island, but particularly in a space that is otherwise so retro --- nook, arches, icebox look. So I vote for anything that make it take up less visual space, and looks less modern, eg I would expose the sink plumbing. BTW, when i designed my kitchen, i opened up every drawer and cabinet of my existing kitchen and photographed it. Then I numbered the photographs and labelled where each would go in my new space. I found that very useful in configuring the space. |
- Posted by lavender_lass (My Page) on Thu, Sep 20, 12 at 12:29
Do you have to have the sink, on the island? It seems to be taking some of the 'vintage look' away from the kitchen. A smaller prep table would probably be more appropriate, but maybe not as functional. Did you see any possibility with moving the pantry and having the prep sink by the fridge? Also, I'm still not sure why people can't lean on the table/island or sit at the banquette...isn't that where you want people to sit? |
- Posted by lavender_lass (My Page) on Thu, Sep 20, 12 at 12:44
Maybe something like this? Have a smaller work table/island, with a butcher block at one end...with room for a stool to slide under? That would break up the long island, which doesn't seem very vintage, somehow. Maybe that's just me, though.
I'm going to put in one more plug for a more vintage-y looking island, seconding Lavender Lass. Then I'll shut up. I know you said you need the storage, but in LWO's 1st pic from Wed at 21:58, it looks like there's a lot of storage in that island with the stacked drawers. Yes, not as much as with full cabinets. But you've seemed a bit ambivalent about the aesthetics of the island and I keep thinking you'd be happier with something that gave the illusion of being unfitted (although unlike Lavender, I'm not bothered by the sink as long as you have legs). Anyway, I'm suggesting you make a complete assessment of your actual storage needs before you reject the idea completely. Even without the island and taking into account the dead cabinet, your kitchen looks to have much more useful storage than mine. |
cawaps, it's not the total amount of storage, it's getting storage where I need. The problem with LWO's picture is that there's no place for a trash pullout in it. The amount of additional storage that my reno is adding is really not that vast when you focus only on the prep and cooking zones--in fact, due to various geometrical oddities, there are places where I'm losing some. I could do short legs, and I'll bring that up with the cab maker. I really don't want to be stuck with only one sink. I'm not worried that my kitchen won't be vintage enough. I'm more worried that the next buyer will think it'll be unrenovated since 1924. |
Just to demonstrate that fairly elaborate worktables aren't totally foreign to the 1920s--that was the dawn of built-in cabinetry. And no, I can't find any source for modern swing-out stools. I wouldn't trust the vintage ones, the mod ones are too mod, and it would add a fortune in extra construction for support. Of course I thought about it. |
- Posted by mtnrdredux (My Page) on Thu, Sep 20, 12 at 15:04
Wow, clearly before NKBA aisle guidelines had been widely disseminated. : ) Great picture. Does anyone make metal tops? Hmm, I wasn't thinking of resale value, but surely 90+% would love to see an island with seating and a sink in it. And, of course, form follows function. |
Was perusing the blog of David T Smith workshops and saw this island. Thought it might give you some more visual fodder. |
I'm wondering if I should model the island's look on the base of a Hoosier cabinet. Although I had been imagining something longer and taller in the leg. |
- Posted by lavender_lass (My Page) on Thu, Sep 20, 12 at 22:35
Marcolo- Nice pictures! My Paint skills are not good, but that's supposed to be a prep sink, by the fridge. If you'd prefer it on the island, I'm sure you can find a way to make it look more vintage :) |
Maybe, instead of replicating the Hoosier's lines, it would be more effective to simply echo the idea with a detail on the sort of island you've had in mind? |
O.M.G. You are awesome, Bellsmom. While it looks gorgeous as a symmetrical piece, it's very '20s to have a worktable with pretty random drawer and door sizes and placements. They were trying to be all "scientific" and efficient--think of how real Hoosiers were built. So with those legs it could still look terrific without being so mirror perfect. Maybe the front is symmetrical but the other sides are not? How would I fit seating into something like that? I know everyone wants me to put seating on the end but that really cramps my prep storage and counterspace. BTW yes, the top will be soapstone or a look-alike. The island will be painted a barn-y red. |
If you put in seating only for 1 and put it on the end, the sides of the island could look like Bellsmom's pic (the sides of the seating space would be panelled). If you put the seating on the side, then the side of the island facing the range could look like Bellsmom's pic, but the seating side would have to look more like your pic with the swing-out stool. I think you'd need an extra leg or two on that side (as with the swing out seat pic). I think it would look better with the seat in the middle than at the end, though. Drawers, seat, drawers. You could put the hoosier trim under the drawers, with legs supporting the inside corners, and the seat in-between. The seat would be directly opposite the prep space and range. |
- Posted by francoise47 (My Page) on Fri, Sep 21, 12 at 14:35
A little different look, but here is a picture of an island in my inspiration kitchen from Better Homes and Gardens, Fall 1996. I love the vintage feel. But it still has a lot of modern function: I ended up running my island cabinets all the way to the floor because I wanted more storage. But with "feet" and an open toekick area I created a bit of this feel. |
Yes, francoise, that's a lot of space to sacrifice. Do you have a pic of your own island handy? |
- Posted by live_wire_oak (My Page) on Fri, Sep 21, 12 at 14:49
I can't figure out how to link to the pic in my link below, but look at this 1950 newspaper ad and the Westinghouse Rancho range. It has what looks like a door below the cooktop but it conceals an open space for a basket or stool. If you did the same thing with a pocket door that slid back, and a pull out cutting board above where the drawer was, you'd have your seating area when you needed it, but it could be hidden behind the door and disappear into the island when it was more convenient to not have it. |
Here is a link that might be useful: Westinghouse Rancho Range
- Posted by live_wire_oak (My Page) on Fri, Sep 21, 12 at 14:53
Oh yeah, if the stool were folding, it wouldn't take up all of the space behind the door, and you'd have room for something else there as well. |
- Posted by francoise47 (My Page) on Fri, Sep 21, 12 at 15:01
- Posted by francoise47 (My Page) on Fri, Sep 21, 12 at 15:02
Thanks, francoise! Looks great. I'm seeing that two stools kittie-corner from each other are going to take up a lot of room. Unless I box in the rear corner for usable space. I do want an apron like yours--even thicker, with a narrow drawer in it. A folding stool and a breadboard is a terrific idea. I need to figure this out. |
- Posted by francoise47 (My Page) on Fri, Sep 21, 12 at 15:19
Yes, a drawer in the apron is a great idea. Our apron is just wasted space. |
- Posted by mtnrdredux (My Page) on Fri, Sep 21, 12 at 15:34
What about those little Zen stools? they take up about the least amount of space. (of course a nice old one with patina) If the seating space is not for you, Id think long and hard about exactly how often you will have a guest who will want to chat with you while you cook, and would not be happy as a clam sitting in the nook with a cup of tea while you do prep. When we bought our house it had a 19' long kitchen island. The POs had these two little stools, and there was no lip on the countertop. I was surprised that people still sat in these things and thought it was fine. And because the seat is not round, they scoot away so easily.... |
Here is a link that might be useful: let 'em sit on this
Here is a vintage swing-out stool at Urban Remains. |
Here is a link that might be useful: reclaimed swing-out stool
Those are very space-conscious but I want something that would've been in a dream 1920s kitchen. Something like this, but painted and with just a tad less turning (though not no turning): Alternative approach is something like this, in a stool, also red: |
Cute! If the island is 6' long, we'd probably have the whole middle third empty, a drawer above, and then two side cupboards also with a drawer above. I just remembered I do have a pic of an authentic '20s island. I don't think the lower height end would work for me, at least not so big. A breadboard from the end would be fine for an overhang but I have absolutely no place to store the island otherwise. |
- Posted by mtnrdredux (My Page) on Fri, Sep 21, 12 at 17:36
OMG, that island looks totally OTK. Maybe it IS timeless.... Where do you get these fab photos? And WTH is that contraption under the clock? |
When I have time, I'll post a pic of what I did for a sitting area for those marathon cutting, chopping chores (like when someone gives me a bushel of corn!). It involves a folding table made out of two exterior rail spindles and a piece of plywood that fits securely across the front of the sink and stores in the pantry when I don't need it. Works well for me. No way do I think you need 24'' out of your 72'' island for a stool niche. I'd have to mock it up, but 18'' ought to be plenty and 15'' might barely work (you just need room at the bottom for the legs, and with the open area below, you don't need the whole leg spread to fit into the open area. You just need room for the upper 2/3's or so of the stool and, when you are sitting there, your knees. You don't need the kind of space that side-by-side diners need. |
I think I do need that much, especially if I'm using the surface to work. If it were just for the stool, that'd be one thing, but that's only a 42" aisle on the side so I have to be careful about clearances. Plus, all I'm losing on the side are shallow 12" cabinet space anyway--not that important. That's my critical choice--whether the stool goes at the end (where it eats into prep space) or along the side (where it eats into the aisle). |
- Posted by williamsem (My Page) on Fri, Sep 21, 12 at 20:55
How about this: Are you planning on seated prep when lots of people are around, like a casual entertaining thing? Or more just when you are alone, or have just a person or two hanging out just chilling? With a lot of people around a stool at the end would be out of traffic as well as allow you to converse with people seated at the table. If you are mostly alone for prep, I'd go for on the side since you have more prep space and won't need to be concerned about traffic as much. Plus since you were not planning on an island at all, this is all kind of bonus prep space. So either way you are getting more prep space than you thought, so go with the placement that works best for when you are seated. That may not be a helpful train of thought, but eventually someone will say the magic thoughts that resonate with you, and you will achieve decision zen with the answer suddenly clear. It already sounds like a terrific space, and whatever you decide is very likely to make you happier than your are with what's there now. |
- Posted by farmgirlinky (My Page) on Sun, Sep 23, 12 at 15:14
Marcolo, I am late to this party, and still grateful for all the help you've offered on this site. The layout looks really good to me, and the finished kitchen is bound to be a wonderful space. If anything were to change, I would make a plea for a larger prep sink on the island, that could accommodate say, both a colander and an ice baths for shocking parboiled vegetables you've just taken off the range, etc -- maybe a sink that has a cutting board that fits over part of it would mean not having to sacrifice so much work surface, and you still would have more a more functional sink. I too vote for the trash pullout on the island, and a smaller one under the utility sink. If the utility sink drain is offset that becomes really useful space. And I'm wondering whether your cookbook collection, which in my imagination is prodigious, could migrate from the sunroom and line the breakfast nook as if it were a carrel, since that is the obvious cozy place to settle in with cookbooks and a pot of tea. Or a hip flask of something stronger. I do think people like to sit at the island, but it is good to be able to push the stools entirely underneath when you're not using them. Especially when the aisles are a little narrow, which in general I consider a good, efficient thing. Your kitchen will be unusually efficient and cozy. I find the kitchen island forces me to be more disciplined about finishing prep work before starting to cook, which makes the cooking go more smoothly -- no more scorched onions while slivering garlic, etc: the separation between hot and cold work has been helpful. Love the vintage photographs you've posted. Looking forward to more |
francoise47, where did you get those stools? |
- Posted by francoise47 (My Page) on Sun, Sep 23, 12 at 16:16
Hi Linelle, (Marcolo -- sorry to hijack -- just want to answer Linelle.) I purchased the stools (pictured above in my kitchen) on the Wayfair website. I bought them in white and painted them a color called "Brinjal" |
Here is a link that might be useful: American Heritage stool on Wayfair
Thanks, all. I'm going to meet with the architect tomorrow. I don't know if we'll get as far as island layout at this meeting but I do want to discuss the issues that everybody has raised. I prefer to do serious prep alone. In fact it's going to take some serious getting used to when I face into the room. I like to concentrate and it kinda drives me nuts when people jabber when I'm trying to chiffonade or just plain measure. However, the traffic jam comes when I'm trying to do last-minute prep for a holiday or dinner party--the things you can't do in advance. Maybe the stool on the far side would make people feel like that's their space, and leave me to mine? Of course, the architect might say, "No stools for you!" I'd love to put my cookbook collection in the nook but I don't think I'll have room. It's tight in there as it is. |
- Posted by Zippity-do-dah (My Page) on Sun, Sep 23, 12 at 21:22
Marcolo Just a suggestion to put the stool on the stove side of the island and move the prep sink closer to it. Then, YOU can sit and guests won't feel like it is THEIR space. It'll be the chef's sitting spot.....although you might feel like a teacher at a desk in front of the classroom. This has been a terrific thread - so many smart ideas for our own kitchen remodel. |
Here is a link that might be useful: Thread on folding work table
- Posted by 2LittleFishies (My Page) on Mon, Sep 24, 12 at 22:37
Marcolo how did it go with the architect? |
Good but exhausting. We went over everything. Additions make me scatterbrained. I'm halfway through discussing island layout and suddenly I remember to ask if the eave overhang violates the setback. We squeezed a couple of extra inches of room out of the nook. It really won't seat 4 adults in full comfort but for practical purposes, that's OK. There are only 2 people in the house now, and most people who buy in this 'hood are either childless couples/empty nesters or else families with really young (i.e., short) kids, and the nook will work for them. Anyway, my kitchen is going to be so insane the nook will be the least of it. She seemed to really like my ideas for the fake-old-fridge and pantry area. And I have to say, I was pretty darn pleased with myself, because it all fit together so well. I'm getting quotes from a metal shop later this week, and I'm hoping not to get what my GC calls "pain in the *(&@ pricing." In the meanwhile, I'm spending the week surrounded by other contractors repairing a disaster of a project completed a year ago. And another disaster completed two years ago. Really boosts my confidence for the kitchen reno. |
Hey, Marcolo, In case you missed my message (which fell off the top almost immediately, I have no idea how this site works), I am going with Dutch Wood cabinets and having them shipped up to the Boston area. I couldn't stomach the prices of local cabinetmakers in the end, so I'm taking the risk. Just wanted to let you know in case you haven't selected a cabinetmaker yet and want to see how my gamble works out. Sorry to hijack this thread, just wanted to make sure you got the message. |
That is so not a hijack, soibean. Thank you so much. Please do let me know how Dutch Wood works out for you. I think I've found a cabinetmaker but haven't signed on the dotted line yet. Who's responsible for measuring? |
My GC will be responsible for measuring. As it turns out, he prefers to do it that way, so it was not an issue. He spoke to Jason at Dutch Wood directly to satisfy himself on the quality of the cabinets and has given me the thumbs up on working with them. Sounds like your timeline is pretty close to ours, if you've already selected a cabinetmaker. We are breaking ground in a week, hoping the rain holds off till after the foundation is poured. If all goes well, we'll be done before year end. I will keep you posted on how it goes. |
- Posted by williamsem (My Page) on Sun, Oct 28, 12 at 11:46
It's not your swing out stool, but I thought you might like to see this! |
Here is a link that might be useful: New old looking stool
- Posted by athomeinva (My Page) on Tue, Nov 20, 12 at 7:49
Marcolo, I came across this kitchen and it made me think of you. |
Here is a link that might be useful: Ashli Mizell Ardmore kitchen
Thanks, williamsem, it's on my list now! athomeinva, very cool kitchen. I also spotted a peacock blue couch in there that looks kinda like mine! It has taken me two full weeks to mark up my notes to send to my cab guy. Hoping to send them off today. Maybe I should wait so I don't give him indigestion during Thanksgiving. |
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Myself and my partner stayed at the Charlesworth lodges - in the Amour lodge from 5th-8th December 2014. We found the surroundings to be absolutely gorgeous, just what we wanted! The lodges are set away from any main roads or built up areas giving you a feel that they really are in the middle of no where but just a short walk away is the local village which has all the amenities you might require. A really great stay!
Very peaceful location.
We had a lovely three nights in a beautiful lodge. Would definitely go again.
The location and the lodge were excellent but the access road was appalling! It was a single track road with potholes each side and a high ridge in the middle which constantly scraped the underside of our car. It was so bad that we left it at the top of the lane and had to walk 15 minutes to the lodge. Good job there were no other cars on it at any time as only wide enough for one at a time! When I mentioned this on checking in I was told "it is OK if you go slowly" - if we had gone any slower we would have stopped!!
Really good location for a quiet break away. Close enough to a small village for bits and pieces but only 2 miles away from broad bottom train station which gets you into Manchester in 25 minutes.
Beautiful lodge and surroundings! Would definitely return. Only down side is the road in (it's very bumpy) and the lodge was lacking the little touches! T
This was by far the most relaxing holiday I have ever had. The surroundings are beautiful and the lodges are very private. The location is fantastic with a number of food serving pubs just up the road. A number of customers have written concerns around the track that leads to the lodges, we managed to get down it and back with no difficulty in a bmw sports car which is very low. Staff were friendly and I will certainly be staying again!
The only items we would mention are all in the guest notes book, i.e Coffee table( this is needed in front of sofa if you have a glass or cup to put it down it would be on the floor not good enough) Washroom needs Hook on door if have dressing gown etc it has to go onto floor, not good enough) Coooker complicated not enough instruction given. Instruction for DVD not available
Lodge was very clean, warm and welcoming. Off the beat track therefore the road is not great. Lovely views and walks right on your doorstep. Enjoyed the hot tub at the end of the day.


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–Come on get happy at the Canyon Theatre Guild's 10th annual Cabaret fundraiser, this year themed, "That 70's Cabaret!" Reminisce the 70's with The Partridge Family, Saturday Night Live, Animal House, bell bottoms, mood rings, pet rocks, and much, much more! Doors open at 5:30 p.m. for a petit buffet and open bar, and the show begins at 7:00. Don't miss your opportunity to go back to "the good 'ol days" while supporting your local live theatre!
–Celebrate the days of Lent with St. Clare of Assisi Roman Catholic Church, at the "St. Clare's Lenten Fish fry!" Enjoy a full fish dinner every Friday night from March the 6th until April 3, beginning at 4:30 p.m. and lasting until 8:00 p.m. Takeout is also available, so come enjoy this St. Clare event that has been a favorite in our valley for the past 30 years!
–Get some "high culture" in your life, and attend the "L.A. Chamber Orchestra" concert at the COC Performing Arts Center, 4 p.m. Sunday afternoon. This free concert will feature virtuoso members straight from the Los Angeles Chamber orchestra performing a selection of chamber music, with a personal touch, as the musicians will introduce each piece directly from the stage.
–It's that time of the year everyone loves—once we get over that lost hour of sleep, that is! This Sunday is the beginning of Daylight Saving Time, so be sure to "spring forward," and set your clocks forward one hour Saturday night. You may lose one hour of sleep, but the days will last longer, and the promise of spring should soothe that momentary sting of sleepiness!


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Features By Rob Hunter on January 7, 2013 | Comments (4)Welcome back to This Week In Discs! As always, if you see something you like, click on the image to buy it. Brooklyn Brothers Beat the Best Alex (Ryan O'Nan) is booted from his band, dumped by his girlfriend and fired from his job singing songs dressed like a dayglo moose, and he has no idea what to do next. Luckily, a stranger named Jim (Michael Weston) does, and soon the two set out on a multi-city tour singing original songs backed by a selection of children's musical instruments/toys and learning the value of friendship and being true to yourself. O'Nan also wrote and directed this low-fi gem, and the result is a sweet and funny look at lives in flux. It also features a handful of incredibly catchy songs that may have you checking Amazon or iTunes for availability. (Yes, there is an album.) You'll find yourself smiling through most of the film, either from the simple and addictive songs or from the familiar faces sharing the screen for a few minutes here and there including Arielle Kebbel, Jason Ritter, Christopher McDonald, Andrew McCarthy and others. [Extras: Featurette, outtakes, live performance, Q&A, short films, trailer]
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Academy Awards By Christopher Campbell on October 7, 2012 | Comments (3)One of the most difficult Oscar categories for pundits (let alone regular folk) to predict is the one for feature documentary. And this year more than ever it's going to be hard to pick the five nominees, because changes to the rules of qualification and voting have given the race an extra element of complication: there is no precedent for how things turn out with this particular selection process in place. In a way, it's a wide-open field with no certainty that higher-grossing films or more issue-oriented titles or discernibly cinematic works have the greater chance at a nod. Some expected the number of contenders to be cut in half as a result of the new rules; instead it grew, much to the chagrin of branch leader Michael Moore. And until the annual shortlist narrows them down to 15, we have 130 eligible films to choose from. But most of those docs aren't plausible nominees. Many of the kind that Moore gets upset about for paying for a screen rental to qualify aren't likely to go all the way. So they qualified. Now they have to be good and popular enough for people to notice.
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Features By Christopher Campbell on September 15, 2012 | Comments (1)Because so many great films have their world premiere at the Toronto International Film Festival, it's not surprising to see a lot of documentaries celebrate anniversaries around this time. For instance, Ron Fricke's Baraka turns 20 years old today, having debuted at TIFF back on September 15, 1992, when the event was still known as the "Festival of Festivals." It's a special time to celebrate the non-narrative, non-verbal masterpiece, and not just because Fricke's follow-up (he doesn't consider it a sequel), Samsara, is currently wowing audiences around the country in a just-expanded theatrical release. Thanks to a fashionable interest in 70mm exhibition right now, Baraka (the first movie in twenty years shot in the Todd-AO 70mm format) also just finished up a week-long re-release at the Alamo Drafthouse and has screened recently in other cities in the format, as well. If you missed or are unable to see Baraka on the big screen, though, the film's Blu-ray is a more than acceptable substitute. It was on FSR's list of the 15 must-own discs of 2008, where it was called "the best Blu-ray transfer, ever." That status possibly remains unchallenged. Fricke and producer Mark Magidson are perfectionists when it comes to digitally scanning their works. They even recommend seeing Samsara projected digitally as opposed to on celluloid, despite the fact that the new film was also shot in 70mm.
The massive, imagery-and-contemplation-fueled Samsara expands into a bunch of markets this weekend, and we have an opportunity for fans to get a seat for free. We're giving away 5 pairs of tickets to see the movie (in the eligible markets below), and it couldn't be easier to win (unless you don't have internet, which means you're probably not reading this). Here's how.
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Features By Scott Beggs on August 22, 2012 | Comments (2)From the filmmakers behind Koyaanisqatsi (a movie I love but have to look up every time I need to spell it) and Baraka, the 5 year's worth of filming that is Samsara is a meditation along the same massively gorgeous lines. Huge human set pieces, pristine imagery and sweeping music to underscore the complexity of our crazy, profound little lives. The film is in limited theaters August 24th, but we've got an exclusive look at the film that includes a stunning time-lapse attack on an opera house performing "La Scala."
The Globe-Trotting 'Samsara' Trailer Presents a Stunning Visual Exploration of Our World
Movie News By Scott Beggs on April 24, 2012 | Comments (1)In 1982, Ron Fricke wrote, edited and directed photography for Koyaanisqatsi, a movie that's become a modern experimental classic that sought to create a pure sensory experience beyond what narrative storytelling could do. It's the kind of film that audiences have to yield to, letting it wash over them like color-wrapped sound waves, and it seems likely that Samsara will be artistically related to Fricke's early work. He re-teams here with Mark Magidson to create something that – if the movie delivers on its trailer – has to be seen and heard to be believed. The pair are most known for their work on the short doc Chronos and the feature Baraka, and their style is one that mashes moments together in order to find a sense of meaning. They're incredibly good at it. Plus, the imagery! It's amazing. The kind of stuff that steals your heart right out of your chest and makes you wish your whole body were made of eyeballs. See it and marvel:
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Bay Area Metal Scene » Featured, Live Music, News, Sounds of the Underground » The Tidal Wave 12 (FREE 2-day outdoor metal concert in S.F.) is BACK!! (final update 7.28.2010)
The Tidal Wave 12 (FREE 2-day outdoor metal concert in S.F.) is BACK!! (final update 7.28.2010)
YES!!!!! CONFIRMED, The Tidal Wave (a FREE 2-day outdoor metal concert in San Francisco) is coming back! This is the big news we have been waiting for. (final update 7.28.2010 – link to videos from the show at bottom of post)
The Tidal Wave 12 is Saturday & Sunday July 24 & 25, 2010 Noon-6pm @ McLaren Park Amphitheater, S.F. (a.k.a. Jerry Garcia Amphitheater).
This is a daytime event, Noon-6pm both days (Saturday & Sunday). Yes, it actually starts at Noon, due to a very tight schedule, ends by 6pm both days, usually about 7 good metal bands each day.
(7.20.2010 updated): Featuring:
SAT: Near Life, Desecrater, Abysmal Dawn, Giant Squid, Stone Vengeance, Anvil Chorus, RAVEN.
Sun: Go Like This, My Victim, Blind Illusion, Witchaven, Vastum, Elk, Amber Asylum.
Did i mention it's FREE?
Of course a few details might change between now and the show. But MARK YOUR CALENDARS for July 24 and July 25, 2010.
In the meantime, some additional links:
The Tidal Wave – official site HERE.
Of these the facebook page is generally the most recently & frequently updated (although as time goes on the official site will also be best for certain info).
More info after the jump…
Updated flier as of 7.20.2010:
In the meantime, for those that have never gone to one, The Tidal Wave 12 is back at the same Amphitheater in McLaren Park (San Francisco) that it has been for several years (a.k.a. Jerry Garcia Amphitheater).
This is clear across town from most free concerts, those usually end up in Golden Gate park. McLaren Park is in the southeast quadrant of the city. The amphitheater is built into a fairly steep hillside. The stage is located at the bottom of the hillside to the east side; the seating area is up the hill towards the west; there is even a big lawn area behind that. This means that early in the show the sun will be off to your right (when viewing the stage); later in the afternoon the sun tends to be behind you. There is a wide, but very narrow pit in front of the stage.
Bring sunblock. Bring a jacket.
Weather in San Francisco is notoriously hard to predict in July. You might need both a jacket and sunblock. You should probably bring your favorite food, although there is usually a snack truck nearby, plus water fountain and restrooms; no ATM though, so bring some cash if only for snacks and/or merch. The merch (t-shirts, etc.) is usually dirt cheap, not like at the big coliseums! Prepare for a long day. Errr, make that prepare for a long two days
No camping, you gotta go somewhere between the two days. Parking is free and usually not too hard to find… but because it is a park in San Francisco, make very sure to keep ALL 4 tires of your vehicle on pavement; if you park on one blade of grass you might just get a parking ticket. Public transit can always get you pretty close, if you prefer (hint: try the 511 Trip-Planner for routes & schedules).
This will not be a show to miss! Last time (2 years ago) they had Exodus, Hirax, Ludicra and almost a dozen other great metal bands. If you miss this year's show, then go crawl into a hole somewhere and weep for the next year or so.
Did i mention it's FREE?
UPDATES (as they trickle in):
As of 5.4.2010:
They have found someone to make their poster for this year's event.
As of 5.11.2010
"show is booked up to this point"
As of 5.21.2010:
"So…..it is now official…..Possessed is NOT playing Tidal Wave so we are still looking for a headliner for sunday…….our back up plan- PRONG…….. stay tuned
Sat/Sun schedule (replaced with more recent update below)…
And here are profiles for the bands:
The profile pages above for most of the bands have links to their playlists, a VERY GOOD resource to see what they sound like if you are not already familiar with a particular band. Check them out.
And the Amphitheater's profile page (including a blog entry with very good directions):
As of 5.24.2010:
The event is still free, although they are now saying:
"This year the first 8 Rows of the amphitheatre will be for sale [basically a "V.I.P." area] – to off-set the cost of TIDAL WAVE…..Tickets [for this V.I.P. area] will be 50 dollars a day or 80 bux for both days."
Note, This ONLY applies to the first 8 rows of the permanent seating area (the rest is still free!); …the PIT (in the front) and all of the "seats" above the 8th row on upwards, as well as the lawn area (in the back) are all still FREE. Guess the economy is still taking something of a toll, but at least the event is happening this year (unlike last).
As of 5.28.2010:
"The first "official" Tidal Wave planning meeting will be at muddy waters coffee house in the mission this Sunday (5.30.2010) at 2pm……
Please forward this to as many interested peeps as you can…
If you want input, or to volunteer, or the lowdown of the process, you'd best be there."
For those of you unfamiliar with the cafe (where the planning meeting is taking place), it is located at 521 Valencia San Francisco, CA 94110 (between 16th & 17th)… [see next update for notes from the meeting].
As of 5.30.2010:
Planning meeting was very preliminary, but a few things might be of interest. First, a slight schedule change:
SAT: Near Life, Desecrater, Abysmal Dawn, Giant Squid, Stone Vengeance, Anvil Chorus, RAVEN
Sun: Go Like This, OR3O, Witchaven, Vastum, Elk, Amber Asylum… (& if lucky, Prong)
Elk and Stone Vengeance appear to have traded days since last update. And Prong is looking more and more likely as Sunday headliner (i am so totally keeping fingers crossed for that one).
If anyone knows a good source for donating items to be raffled off, or a company that wants to help sponsor the show in return for getting a banner hung over the stage, contact Tidal Wave through their Facebook page.
More info on the show will probably be available by middle of this week. Preliminary fliers and maybe even some web updates should be on the way soon. Unofficial rumor has it that one of the main web designers for the site broke her ankle at Maryland Death Fest We wish her well!
Next planning meeting date not has not yet been set, but expect a Sunday afternoon perhaps in about 3-weeks or so… stay tuned.
As of 6.4.2010:
Added the preliminary flier, early on in post above (list bands and dates, etc.)
As of 6.7.2010:
Just a couple of minor updates, they now have a backside to the flier (shown up above). They say that they
"will have [fliers] ready by Saturday….just in time for the Haight street fair"
They also announced "JK Sound……the Official Tidal Wave Sound company"
As of 6.13.2010:
TheTidalWave.org site just went live for this year's event click on the "Enter" at bottom of page; lots of links inside up top.
Looks like a slightly newer version of the flier…
As of 6.14.2010:
Blind Illusion is replacing OR3O for Sunday; also looks like Prong is very probable now for headlining Sunday (still keeping fingers crossed on this one).
As of 7.8.2010:
Looks like Prong is no longer on the bill *sniff*. A replacement will be found to headline Sunday.
Also new flier (above); flier does not yet reflect Prong dropping off of Sunday, newer flier will be posted when available.
Also, new sponsorship information available (here) for those who wish to help defray the costs or for those who wish to hang a banner on the stage behind the bands.
As of 7.20.2010:
My Victim has been added for Sunday (playing 2nd).
Set times are as follows (with first band starting promptly at Noon each day):
1st band = 12.noon-12:30
2nd = 12:50 – 1:20
3rd = 1:35 -2:05
4th = 2:20 – 2:50
5th = 3:05 – 3:35
6th = 3:50 – 4:30
7th = 4:45 – until… (but live sound off by 6pm!)
As of 7.24.2010 (just after first day of festival):
Misc notes from first day's show (earlier today): Wow… this was a killer day. Everyone was having a good time!
Bands started *almost* on time (12:15?), show ran over a little (past 6:30?).
They only held one or two rows for V.I.P. seating, so *most* of the permanent seating was completely open, first-come first serve (they did not have to hold the full 8 rows they thought they might, so they released the rest).
Today's Weather was typical for July in S.F., foggy & breezy till well past Noon, then some sun from maybe 2pm till 4pm(?) got a little bit sunburnt, then it got foggy again by 4 or 5 (and breezy still); upper 50's when foggy, to mid-60's-ish when sunny. Sunday's weather is supposed to be similar, perhaps a couple degrees cooler, but perhaps slightly sunnier… yeah right
Bring sunblock and bring a jacket (!)
Food trucks had for sale some pulled pork sandwiches, various sausages, tacos, etc. (plus soft drinks). Raffle tickets you could buy gave you a chance for Thrasher shwag bags, Amoeba bags, they even had a nice guitar in the raffle. Tidal wave t-shits, and some other vendors with booths where you could buy stuff. Did not see any ATM's though. Even the restrooms weren't in too bad a shape for a big metal show (but bring a couple extra napkins, just in case).
Even parking wasn't too bad (though better, of course, if you got there early). Bay bridge traffic was icky, always a crapshoot.
Now if you will excuse me, it is time to set the alarm for tomorrow morning… Hope to see you there tomorrow –roseman
7.28.2010 (final update; link to videos of show):
I have now got videos of all 14 bands in above post, as of 7.31.2010
Filed under: Featured, Live Music, News, Sounds of the Underground · Tags: Abysmal Dawn, Amber Asylum, Anvil Chorus, Blind Illusion, Desecrater, Elk, FREE, Giant Squid, Go Like This, Near Life, Or3O, Prong, Raven, Stone Vengance, The Tidal Wave, Tidal Wave, Vastum, Witchaven
576 Responses to "The Tidal Wave 12 (FREE 2-day outdoor metal concert in S.F.) is BACK!! (final update 7.28.2010)"
Dis gonna be a killer weekend — just spent two hours with the links you posted and, really, both days look to be hell-bent — the $80 up-front seats to a free festival sounds like a non-starter, but whadda i know — Tidal Wave's the BEST fest of the year, any year it happens, and i hope Tonus and crew find a way to break even or close-to — speaking of which, why isn't Jagermiester footing the bill for this thing — it'd be a bare beep on their ad budget, and crusty Metalheads are their peeps! — but i digress — point is, fanx for the firsthand insight into bay area underground events and the updates on Tidal Wave — yo! –
This is gonna be a ton of fun. I'll definitely be there. I'm certainly keeping my fingers crossed for Prong…. that's one band I always loved that I've never had the opportunity to see. It'll be a great weekend regardless….
This is gonna be frickin' sweet.
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Legrand's latest in its line of high-performance wire and cable management devices, the Evolution series ceiling box, is offered in six variations. These 2'x2'x6"-deep boxes fit above a false or permanent ceiling to provide storage for electronic audio/video and IT equipment, and to support a projector, if required. These boxes are designed for conference rooms, classrooms, training facilities, or anywhere a projector and/or AV equipment is needed and where large racks or furniture storage are not practical. The six versions of the Evolution series include three units with a projector mount and several options for electrical circuitry. Receptacles within each box are uncontrolled, controlled by dry contact, or feature network (IP) or RS-232-series-port-enabled RackLink technology from Middle Atlantic Products, which monitors and controls the power to AV and IT equipment. Receptacles are rotated to accommodate large plugs. The shelves inside the ceiling box are designed to easily pivot forward and backward, providing access to both the front and back of installed devices. The shelves can even be removed (without tools) to allow for devices to load outside the box and then be reinstalled. A unique pattern of slots and holes enables installers to use a variety of techniques for securing equipment in place.
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text: On Thu, Jun 3, 2010 at 4:32 PM, aniruddh katkar <katkar.aniruddh at gmail.com> wrote: > i've got an old pinnacle pctv stereo internal tvtuner which works flawlessly > on debian 4.0,5.0 and kdetv because it uses a philips chip which is > supported on linux you can try new version of it... > Aniruddh Most of the currently available cards have Philips chipset. Somehow, the cards are not detected saying that some eprom is not there on the card and then gives a big list of chipset devices to try modprobe. Old cards were mostly having BTTV chipset (brooktree or something) Those were supported properly on linux. What is your Philips chipset no? regards, -Sudhanwa > _______________________________________ > Pune GNU/Linux Users Group Mailing List > -- ~!~!~!~!~!~!~!~!~!~!~!~!~!~!~!~!~!~!~!~!~!~! www.sudhanwa.com


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Online Property Training
This course will cover the proper steps in Abandoning and Destroying excess property by following the Federal Management Regulations. Questions and answers will be given on different scenarios presented in class regarding A&D. Property may be abandoned or destroyed when an authorized agency official has made a written determination that: 1.Property has no commercial value 2. Cost of care, handling, and sales prep would exceed expected sales proceeds. FMR 102-36.305 and 310 Registration for this training is required through www.gsa.gov/events
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