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sdradioguy Posts: 101Today, I got an internet quote for a TSX, 6sp, non-NAV. It was for full list price PLUS $395.00 for what the salesperson called the Acura Protection Package -- the wheel locks, trunk tray, and mud flaps you described. So, apparently, the three things are sold together often enough that they have a pkg. name.
Another dealer gave me an internet quote with the flaps, locks, and tray for about $200 below list. Not great, but much better than full list plus $400.
Thanks for the hondacuraworld.com reference. I'll check it out.
xplorx -- have you had any luck getting an insurance quote yet? I take it you're near the Bay Area. What's the range to insure TSX up there? -
uncledavid Posts: 548I have the TSX and the fogs. I got the dealer to install them as part of the purchase price and it wound up being a good deal.
Anyway, I live in Los Angeles and we don't have all that much fog. But, in ordinary conditions, I notice absolutely no benifit from the fogs, other then looking nice. The Xenons are much, much brighter.
A lot of TSX drivers complain that the dealer installed fogs look cheap. However, I really like them.
BTW, the rubber mat for the trunk is a really nice accessory to have. Try to get the dealer to throw that in as well. -
sdradioguy Posts: 101I figured the xenons by themselves would probably be just as good, if not better, than the fog lights. Besides, if I've made it this long with conventional lights, xenons are going to feel like getting a new pair of glasses (at least, from all the hype I've read).
Just about every dealer who has quoted me a price so far has included mud flaps, wheel locks, and the trunk tray -- the nice, rubber trunk tray. Why more cars don't come with those, I don't know. But anyway, it seems most dealers sell those three things together as an "Acura Protection Package". I feel better protected already. -
xplorx4 Posts: 621Fog lights: on the TSX, fog lights are probably more for looks than anything else. The Xenons are incredibly bright all the way up to their very sharply defined horizontal cut-off, which often is just below the side-view mirror height of most cars. (I sometimes wonder if the guy in front of me thinks I'm flashing my brights at him when I hit a bump!)
With that being said, I think I still want the fog lights, but I don't really think getting them thrown into a purchase deal is going to gain you a lot. If you want to spend a few hundred more later, have them installed post-purchase after you've had a chance to evaluate driving with the Xenons.
I concur about the trunk tray. It's pretty nice. You can work the dealer to have that added for minimal or no added charge. The cargo net is also something you might work into the deal, since it requires minimal installation.
This page features installation guides (in PDF format) for many TSX accessories, including fog lights and the cargo tray. Read the guides to see if you think the procedure warrants "professional" installation or not. -
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kivig Posts: 3I think the TSX is a fantastic car except for a problem that may cause me not to get it. It's only 4.7 inches off the ground!! If i need to get out in 5 inches of snow i wouldn't be able to. My current car is 6.5 inches offf, and has awd. This has none of that. Is there anyone who has owned a tSX over a winter that can comment or explain this?
tsxcellent Posts: 1I would love to get the TSX all weather mats, but can't bring myself, in principle, to spend $100 on four square feet of rubber. I've checked out some generic mats, but can't find any that fit right.
Does anyone know of any non-Acura brand that fits well (especially the driver's seat)? Some are trimmable, but the fit is still not good. Better yet - has anyone found prices lower than $90 plus shipping on the Acura product? -
tommyijr Posts: 56I have the Milano Red w/ Parchment interior so getting the mats was a must, like you the price from Acura was a bit out of line ($120.00). I found them on Ebay for $80.00. Funny thing was they came to me from an Acura dealership in CA, I live in Virginia. They are so worth the money, and I like the way they look with the parchment carpeting. Good Luck.
xplorx4 Posts: 621What do you mean by "cheap"? I have a pair of fog lights installed on my TSX, and they don't look cheap. They don't look as blue and bright as the HIDs, but I like the fogs lights better than the plain plastic covers.The bulbs can always be replaced to improve the light color temperature, too.
aardvark Posts: 3Looking to get a TSX with the protection package of the trunk tray, flaps, etc. That sounds fine.
The fog lights sound like they're almost unnecessary given these types of headlights. I'd get them only if it's a good deal.
But how about the moonroof visor? Salesman says it is critical for cutting down on noise. True?
I'm not real keen on their looks so will bypass if it really doesn't do the job.
Does it do the job, and is it worth getting? -
william Posts: 5my tsx
ive added a injen cold air intake, i love it makes car sound agressive yet calm
ive also added green neon underglow to it and i am waiting for dc to come out with catback exhaust system.
the garage door thing is a pain... ive had my tsx for about 5 months and havent been able to get it to work yet
try autozone or preformance store they would mostlikely have what your looking for -
members78 Posts: 130are there any laws about neon lights underneath the car, and is it a state thing, or what? also, how much does it cost to install neon lights?
i live in northern va, and yes there are lots of gray and silver tsxs. i bought a blue one a couple days ago, and so far i love the color. i was afraid i would wake up the next day and hate it! carbon gray is very flattering for this car, no doubt about it, but i wanted to stand out a bit and be different. plus the blue reminds me of a racing color, not unlike the m3 blue... though i wont pretend that it's in the same league as the bimmer. -
c_hunter Posts: 4,487If I were you, I would try the car without the moonroof deflector first and see what you think -- noise is a subjective thing. Our TSX seems pretty quiet without the deflector, and personally, I don't like the way they look.
We did have a deflector on our previous car -- a Subaru Forester -- and it really made the car quieter with the roof open. Note that the Forester has a huge moonroof, however, about 3 times larger than the small one on the TSX.
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bluetsx Posts: 1I have been through my first winter with my tsx and it was great. The VSA worked great and was very usefull as road condition changed. I didn't really experience any problem with snow height. I also know someone who has the tsx lowered with body kit, and he had no prolem either. I think the weight of the car has a lot to do with the handling also. I thnk you will be fine.
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A substitute provided
In Genesis, God asks Abraham to sacrifice his son, Isaac—to bind him to the altar and to spill his blood, before lighting the fire beneath him.
Abraham's willingness represents the highest expression of his faith. The authors of the New Testament recognized this event as a preeminent example of faithful response to God. The author of Hebrews emphasizes Abraham as an example for believers, writing, "Abraham, who had received God's promises, was ready to offer his only son" (Heb. 11:17 NLT). Despite the apparent contradiction between God's promises to Abraham and his command to sacrifice Isaac, Abraham "was ready." His example encourages us to "run with endurance the race that is set before us" (Heb. 12:1).
Salvation by works?
While the author of Hebrews uses the story to point to Abraham's faith, James refers to this event with a slightly different focus. In writing "Was not Abraham our father justified by works when he offered up his son Isaac on the altar?" (James 2:21), we are led to ask whether James is promoting a salvation by works. At first glance, it may appear so. However, James is actually arguing that true faith makes itself evident through works. He continues by explaining how Abraham's faith was completed or perfected by his willingness to sacrifice Isaac (James 2:22). Abraham's actions served as the evidence, not the means, of his salvation.
God didn't ask Abraham for anything he wasn't willing to do himself.
Isaac and Jesus
The authors of the New Testament also believed that Abraham's willingness to sacrifice Isaac foreshadowed the sacrifice of Jesus on the cross. Hebrews describes Isaac as Abraham's "only son" (Heb. 11:17; the NIV uses the phrase "one and only"). The Greek term here, monogenēs, is used most often in the New Testament to describe Jesus, God's only begotten Son (see John 1:14; 3:16). Paul also describes God's sending of Christ to redeem humanity with "He did not spare his own Son" (Rom. 8:32), phrasing that echoes God's words to Abraham in Genesis 22:16.
Although the sacrifice of Isaac came to be understood as foreshadowing Christ's sacrifice, there was one major difference: Isaac was spared, while Christ was not. Abraham was willing to sacrifice his only son, but God intervened and provided a substitute for Isaac in the form of the ram (Gen. 22:13). God loves us enough that he did not spare his only Son; instead, Christ endured the cross as our substitute.
Blood and death
We tend to throw around the word "sacrifice" quite casually, describing it as essential to the Christian life, essential to marriage, essential to parenting. We distance "sacrifice" from its Old Testament origins, when the word typically signified a ritual of blood and death. It's easier to read stories like Abraham's and Jesus' when we forget about the gore. But God didn't ask Abraham for anything he wasn't willing to do himself. And it's in this context that our salvation lies.
This adapted excerpt, provided here courtesy of Logos Bible Software, is from Abraham: Following God's Promise. An eight-week self-study program on the life of the first patriarch, Abraham, comes with graphics, reflection questions and "fill in the blank" boxes where users can record and save their answers. The Abraham study can also be purchased as a complete church curriculum, which adapts the study material for small group study and preaching. Purchase the book or the curriculum today.


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State of the NCO Corps June 2014
Greetings Marines!
We're running late this month, but let's mosey on over to the booth in the back in the corner in the dark of my local NCO club, where the current pollen count is high enough that it's being tracked by a Fleet astronomer instead of one of the local Meteorology guys, and that "Get Well Soon" card for the Dant that got etched into the armor of a tank with hand phasers was very good marksmanship, but was probably not the best idea some folks ever came up with at closing time.
Let's lead off with a subject near and dear to my alleged heart, which would be the STARFLEET Marine Corps Marine Force Manual (MFM). Nobody expects you to have it memorized, but you should be familiar enough with it that you can very quickly know which section to look in to see if your question is already in The Book. If you're not sure, you can do keyword searches in the PDF format very easily.
Other information you should attempt to become familiar with is the STARFLEET Membership Handbook. Again, just get a general idea of where things are, and be prepared to possibly do a keyword search if necessary. Since every member of the SFMC is also a member of STARFLEET, we're subject to those rules as well.
One thing that's very important to remember about any manual, whether SFMC or SFI is to be absolutely sure you're looking at the latest edition. Things can and do change, and what you may remember from a few years back may no longer be entirely true. Before answering a question I'm fairly sure is in The Book, in one form or another, I always go back and check the latest edition just to be sure. And, I'll usually either copy and paste the relevant passage, or at the very least refer to it by page or section number to allow someone to look it up themselves.
After all, this may just be a game, but games have rules, and we have a responsibility to do our best to play by the rules. Keeping everyone on the same page reduces frustration, and that keeps the game fun for all of us. And, having fun is a vital part of keeping our members.
Turning to community service, we're beginning to get into the hottest part of the year for those of us in the Northern Hemisphere. Perhaps one of the simplest acts of service we can do at this time of year is to take care of our neighbors and ourselves when the temperatures become extreme. That includes things like helping someone get to a cooler building for a while, or simply making sure they're properly hydrated. (And that goes for me and thee personally - those black uniforms we wear can be a problem when it gets hot. I personally added a canteen to my Class C load out this month, and when my detachment and I get together outside, there's usually a fair amount of water hauled along.)
Another major consideration that crops up this time of year is summer related disaster relief. We're firmly into wildfire and tornado season in many places, for example. As a reminder, the organizations dealing with the aftermath of these events usually prefer that you just send them money for needed supplies. They have the connections to obtain those supplies, they just need help paying for them. Now, I realize that simply making a financial donation doesn't qualify for any SFMC awards, but, as a reminder, putting in the time to raise funds in some way certainly does. Get creative, and find ways to help.
As usual, I simply can't stress enough is that "community service" need not be part of some organized charity or done on behalf of some national or international organization. Any effort made to help others that simply involves you giving up your own free time and energy to make a difference probably counts. And, please, make sure your unit OIC is aware of your efforts and includes the information in the bi-monthly report that goes up the SFMC Chain of Command. As the Dant continues to remind us: "If you don't report it, we can't reward it."
As always, the SFMC General Staff needs your input and ideas in order to properly do our jobs. Don't hesitate to contact the appropriate GS member with your questions, comments and ideas. You can find all the email addresses at the SFMC website, and, of course, we monitor the Corps-l list, and the SFMC Facebook group.
Now it's time for Top's History Lesson. During the American Civil War, not everyone involved in the fighting was born in this country, Such was the case for a 25 year old Canadian seaman who enlisted with the US Navy in 1863. History is silent on his reasons for stepping into the recruiting office in Detroit, Michigan that September day, and, to be honest, other than his being born in what is now Ontario in 1838, not much at all is known about his past, or his US Navy career.
One thing that IS known is the fact that he was serving as a common seaman aboard the stern wheeler USS Marmora in March of 1864 on the Mississippi River. The Marmora had been working at the mouth of the Yazoo River providing assistance to the Army and preventing the enemy from blockading the river. One of her primary jobs during the war was finding and removing mines (then called "torpedoes") from the river. But, on March 5, 1864, the fighting around Yazoo City had gotten hot, and a detachment of sailors from the Marmora went ashore with a field gun to assist in the defense. Included in this detachment was that Canadian seaman - James Stoddard.
Stoddard and the other members of that gun crew were in the thick of the fighting, keeping their gun in action despite sometimes being involved in hand to hand combat against superior numbers. Stoddard himself was wounded in the neck, but fought on. He and two other seamen from the Marmora were credited with having "contributed to the turning back of the enemy during the fierce engagement," and all three were awarded the Medal of Honor for bravely standing by their gun "despite enemy rifle fire which cut the gun carriage and rammer". Stoddard was promoted to acting master's mate a month later, and served with the Navy until he resigned in May of 1865.
And, there the story seems to end. There's no trace of him in history after that. Perhaps he went back to Canada, or perhaps he stayed in the United States, possibly settling down in Michigan. In that case, it's possible he may even be a direct ancestor of mine, but there's no way of telling for sure. What is known is that in 1944, the Fletcher class destroyer USS Stoddard (DD 566), named in his honor, entered the service of the US Navy, and added another couple paragraphs to the history of the name.
The USS Stoddard earned battle honors in both World War II and later off the coast of Vietnam. She rescued downed pilots, provided gunfire support to ground forces, and, off Vietnam, even dueled with enemy shore batteries. She was decommissioned in 1969, and finally removed from the Naval Vessel Register in June of 1975 - the last Fletcher class destroyer on the rolls of the US Navy. But, she continued to serve her country despite being an old hulk not good for much of anything anymore. Until 1992, she was used as a test platform on the Pacific Missile Range, but in 1997, she was finally sunk … by US Navy SEALS somewhere northwest of Hawaii.
In 1864, a Stoddard emerged from obscurity to become a hero, and then vanished back into the mists of history. But, history didn't forget his devotion to duty and his personal courage, and his namesake continued that legacy of service for decades in the 20th century. I'm not sure he was a relative, but, since stumbling on this story, I'd like to think the example of the two "Stoddards" in US Navy history will help me do my own job better in the SFMC.
In service and in friendship,
MGSGT Jerome A. " Gunny Hawk" Stoddard
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We have vinyl 12x12 tiles in our laundry room. They were glued down by the previous homeowner and none of them are coming up at the corners or seams. It is relatively smooth and even. We're planning on installing new vinyl tiles over this. We were told to rough up the old tile by sanding it with 100 grit sandpaper, so that the adhesive will stick better.
Is there anything else we need to do before laying down the new tile? Can we lay the tiles down in the exact same pattern as the current floor or would it be better to stagger them so that the old seams and new seams won't be exactly on top of each other? Thanks in advance. |
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Stagger them and find out when the previous owner bought the tiles. You want to be sure that you won't be sanding an ACM (asbestos containing material). |
Id you are going over top of them....and the ones that are down now are maintenance free, the existing tiles should be skim coated with a Portland patch and installed over top! |
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You new installation will only ever be as good as what is there now. If you are willing to take that chance, then following the above advice should be sufficient. Additionally, if you do not have an voids to fill, instead of patching you can use a liquid primer to facillitate a good bond if the existing tile is asbestos. It its not asbestos, you want to scarify (rough up) the surface with a heavy grit sandpaper to facillitate bond. If there is any wax coating on the existing tile, that wax should be stripped before scarification, patching, priming, or installing new tile. |
Thanks for the advice. Helpful to know. |
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Daybreak: Israel Delays Outpost Removal
Plus Egyptian Islamists flailing, and more in the news
• The Israeli government has asked the High Court to postpone a deadline to evacuate a neighborhood in a West Bank outpost, to come up with an alternative that still wouldn't be in line with the court's decision. "According to legal experts, the government's request represents a problematic move—breaking the accepted rules for the relationship between the executive and judicial branches," reports Ari Shavit. [Haaretz]
• After three months with some power, Islamists in Egypt—the Muslim Brotherhood and the Salafists—are losing popularity, largely because they haven't been able to do much. [WSJ]
• Excellent, wide-ranging interview with President Peres. Says war is less likely than it was before: "People realize that nothing good can come of it." [Haaretz]
• India has deported an Iranian man who was purportedly spying on Israeli and Jewish targets, including a Chabad house, in New Delhi. [The Pune Mirror/Vos Iz Neias?]
• "No president since Harry Truman"—who recognized the state of Israel—"has done more for Israel's security than Barack Obama," argued Vice President Biden, hitting the campaign trail to attack putative Republican nominee Mitt Romney. [JTA]
• Hyman "Big Hy" Strachman is a 92-year-old Jewish man on Long Island who fought in World War II and now sends bootlegged copies of movies to U.S. soldiers serving abroad. He is a hero, and you should read his story. [NYT]


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Most cyclists, it seems, know more about traffic laws, and about their right to the road, than does the motoring public. And sometimes cyclists are better informed on the law, and their rights, than the officers who enforce the law. Developing some expertise about one's responsibilities and rights comes with the territory—especially when it's common for others to misrepresent the former and deny the existence of the latter.
But what happens when a local law is passed that seemingly conflicts with what we know to be our rights under state law? Is the local law valid? Recently, Seattle-area cyclists were confronted with this issue when the City of Mercer Island, Washington proposed an ordinance which would have required cyclists to ride single file despite a state law that allows cyclists to ride two abreast. The proposed ordinance would also have required cyclists riding in groups of four or more to pull off the road to allow a motor vehicle to pass, "where passing is unsafe."
As might be expected, cyclists are not only aware of their rights, they are prepared and determined to defend them. Seattle-area cyclists are no exception—they began by writing to the city council to express their opposition to the proposed ordinance. In fact, of 121 emails received by Councilmember Bruce Bassett, only one was in favor of the ordinance; the other 120 emails were opposed. When the City Council held its hearing on the proposed ordinance, cyclists showed up in force to voice their concerns.
And the Mercer Island City Council listened; instead of approving the ordinance, the council members approved a motion directing city staff to "draft a bicycle safety ordinance based on input provided by the council tonight." The input from the city council identified three criteria that the new ordinance must meet:
It must not be redundant or restate state law
It must require cyclists to ride singe file when a vehicle or bicycle wants to pass
Its language should not resemble the language requiring cyclists in groups of four or more to pull off the road when a driver wants to pass
Although Seattle-area cyclists will likely be riding under a more bicycle-friendly ordinance on Mercer Island in the near future, the larger issue still remains—what happens when a local law seemingly conflicts with state law? This is not just an issue limited to Mercer Island. Cyclists who ride in Jupiter Island, Florida dodged a similar bullet last September, when the city council backed off a proposed ordinance after local cyclists reached an agreement with Jupiter Island Police Chief that voluntarily restricts the size of group rides.
Under the ordinance the Jupiter Island City Council was considering, cyclists would have been required to:
Obtain a parade permit for all group rides with more than 15 cyclists
Equip their bicycles with a bell or horn, a four-foot-tall flag, and reflectors
Restrict their riding to certain hours
Keep a specific, to-be-determined distance between groups of bicycles
However, in Barrington Hills, Illinois, an ordinance was passed that requires cyclists to ride single file, and prohibits them from riding in a negligent manner.
The thread that runs through each of these ordinances is that they often seem to conflict with state law—and under state traffic laws, when authority to enact local traffic ordinances is granted by the state to local government, it is with the caveat that the local laws must be consistent with state law. But if that is the case, how can a local government pass a traffic law that conflicts with state law?
The short answer is they can't. Or more accurately, if a local government passes a traffic law that conflicts with state law, that law has no effect. It can't be enforced, and you can't be found guilty of violating it.
In Jupiter Island, the city council did not pass its ordinance, but most likely would have, had cyclists not voluntarily restricted their riding in Jupiter Island. In my opinion, parts of this ordinance were clearly in conflict with state law, and would have had no effect had it been passed. In particular, the city proposed certain equipment requirements for bicycles operated within the jurisdiction of Jupiter Island. I believe that this part of the ordinance is clearly in conflict with state law. The state (and federal) governments, and not municipalities, determine vehicle equipment standards, and those standards apply uniformly throughout the state. Municipalities simply have no authority to set different vehicle equipment standards.
One of the things that I find most interesting about the Jupiter Island ordinance is the town's prior history of passing laws that it has no authority to enact or enforce. Prior to its threats to pass an ordinance restricting cyclists, Jupiter Island passed an ordinance regulating use of the beach, despite the fact that the county, and not the town, has the authority to regulate beach use. After Surfrider threatened to sue, Jupiter Island quietly backed down, rescinding its ordinance. I believe that had Jupiter Island passed its cycling ordinance, any lawsuit challenging it would have resulted in a finding that it was in conflict with state law, in part, or in whole. Given their actions when challenged by Surfrider, it is likely that Jupiter Island would have backed down on at least the clearly unenforceable aspects of the cycling ordinance as well.
But sometimes the legality of the ordinance in question is unclear—does the local ordinance really conflict with state law, or does it just seem at first glance to be in conflict? In Barrington Hills, cyclists are prohibited from riding two abreast, even though the Illinois vehicle code states that "persons riding bicycles or motorized pedal cycles upon a roadway shall not ride more than two abreast…." So is the Barrington Hills ordinance consistent with state law, or in contradiction of state law? There are arguments for and against, but to my knowledge, it hasn't been challenged in court, so for now, the question remains unsettled.
In Mercer Island, the requirement to ride single file is similar to the Barrington Hills ordinance. Under Washington law, "persons riding bicycles upon a roadway shall not ride more than two abreast…." This language is virtually identical to the language of Illinois' statute. However, unlike Barrington Hills, Mercer Island no longer proposes to require single file riding at all times. Instead, if the ordinance is passed, cyclists will be required to ride single file when another vehicle operator wants to pass. As with the Barrington Hills ordinance, there are arguments for and against the proposition that this ordinance is consistent with state law. The requirement to pull off the road appears to have been scrapped altogether.
In Jupiter Island, there is only one aspect of the proposed ordinance that at first glance seems to have been potentially consistent with state law: The City proposed to require cyclists obtain a parade permit for group rides with more than 15 cyclists. Florida law allows municipalities to regulate "processions or assemblages"; if the ordinance had been challenged in court, this portion of the ordinance may have been found to be consistent with state law, depending upon whether a judge would agree that a group ride is included under what the Florida Legislature meant by a "procession or assemblage." Although it is not binding in Florida, a similar rule in New York City was recently upheld by a judge after it was challenged by the Five Boroughs Bicycle Club.
However, the city also proposed to restrict cyclists to riding within certain specified hours. It is unclear whether this part of the ordinance was consistent with state law. If the ordinance proposed to limit "parades" to certain hours, that may have been consistent with state law. However, if the ordinance applied to all cyclists, in my view that would have been inconsistent with state law, under which cyclists have all of the rights and duties applicable to drivers of any other vehicle.
Finally, the city proposed to require group rides to keep an unspecified distance between separate groups of cyclists. If this part of the ordinance was addressing group rides classified by the ordinance as "parades," it may not have been in conflict with state law. However, if it applied to all cyclists across the board, I believe it would have been as unenforceable as a law requiring all "groups" of motorists to keep a specified distance from all other "groups" of motorists.
To my knowledge, these issues of law raised by the proposed Jupiter Island ordinance have not yet been tested in court, and thus, for now they remain an unsettled area of the law.
These are just three examples of local laws regulating bicycles that seemingly conflict with state law; there may be others out there (and if you know of any, please let me know about them). This is an issue that will continue to confront cyclists in locales across the country, as municipalities attempt to resolve conflicts between cyclists and motorists—and depending on the municipality, those conflicts may be unfairly resolved with one-sided restrictions on cyclists that are inconsistent with state law. As Seattle-area cyclists have shown, it is incumbent upon us to organize in opposition to unfair laws. And when municipalities pass laws that are clearly in conflict with state (or federal) law, it is incumbent upon us to challenge those laws, as New York City cyclists have shown. Although the judge hearing their case ruled against them, the ruling has no precedent-setting effect, and thus, the loss was not worse than the rule they were challenging.
We should also keep in mind that these more restrictive local ordinances are typically enacted in response to cyclist behavior—specifically, group rides with cyclists riding more than two abreast—that other road users take umbrage with. By riding within the law, and extending basic courtesies to others on the road, we can prevent the problems that lead to calls for local government to enact local ordinances restricting our right to the road.
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Bob Mionske is a nationally known cycling lawyer with a practice exclusively focused on representing cyclists. An advocate for the rights of cyclists, Bob is the author of Bicycling & the Law , the first book written for cyclists on their legal rights and responsibilities since 1895. Bob is also a former U.S. Olympic and pro cyclist; Bob represented the United States in the 1988 and 1992 Olympic games, and was the National Road Race Champion in 1990, amassing a record of over 100 wins during his racing career.
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The modern dance troupe Momentum Dance Company is presenting "Rumplestiltskin" as part of its free children's performance series in Coral Gables and in Miami Beach on Saturday, May 24. Performances will be:
- 11 a.m. Saturday: Coral Gables Public Library, 3225 Segovia Avenue, Coral Gables. 33134. Phone: 305-442-8706.
- 2 p.m. Saturday: Miami Beach Regional Library, 221 – 22nd Street, Miami Beach. Call 305-858-7002 for info.
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ZooMontana's Board of Directors agreed Thursday to work with Montana State University Billings business students on a strategic plan for the financially troubled zoo this summer.
On Friday, Daniel Lundquist, zoo marketing director, sent a press release to Billings media Friday criticizing the board's actions.
"After attending another board of directors meeting at the zoo and still not hearing a viable short- and long-term plan for maintaining and improving the conditions of the animals, keeping staff and my family, I am making plans to leave the zoo. As stated months ago, I issued a conditional letter of resignation based on the short- and long-term plans and support of the board. Like the past 15 years of the zoo's history, no substantial action has taken place in 2011 addressing this matter."'
Board President Ian McDonald responded by saying changes will take time.
"It is not going to turn around on a dime," McDonald said. "It's a long, difficult problem to figure out. It's going to take a long time to fix this and turn it around. Patience is running thin with time, but it's the way it has to be."
Lundquist is one of several zoo staffers who turned in resignation letters shortly before the zoo's financial problems became public.
Included in those resignations were two educators and Director Jackie Worstell.
Lundquist said he plans to leave by early June.
The zoo board is awaiting word from the MSUB College of Business to finalize details on formulating a business strategy.
At Thursday's meeting they voted to ask MSUB to:
— Detail the steps the board would pursue with an investor who is interested in building a theater complex similar to an IMAX theater at the zoo.
— Detail a plan for the zoo to fully fund a project to create extra revenue on its own.
— Look into the option of public finding.
— Look at what the best possible outcome is for the zoo if it continues day-to-day operations.
McDonald said he would also ask the students to come up with an exit strategy for the zoo, should it ever have to shut down.
The MSUB business plan would cost the zoo $250 to cover the costs of materials.
He said other companies have enlisted MSUB's help with success, including Stillwater Mining Co.
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Nightlife in Chicago
River North rocks with Sound-Bar and Excalibur while many stylish saloons like The Signature Lounge are located Near North and Downtown. Blues and jazz haunts are scattered throughout the city as are sports bars and funky establishments like The California Clipper. Find a bit of everything in Lincoln Park - B.L.U.E.S., Goose Island Brewery and Webster's Wine Bar. Opening hours vary. Some bars open as early as 10am while dance clubs close as late as 4am.
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1. Webster's Wine Bar - Bars
Show moreUnpretentious and intimate, the atmosphere at Lincoln Park's Webster's Wine Bar lends itself to romance. It boasts more than 500 wines from around the world, more than 35 varieties available by the glass. A specific region is featured each month.Show this on mapE-mail this item
1480, West Webster Street, Lincoln Park, Chicago 60614
+1 773 868 0608
2. Goose Island Brewery - Bars
Show moreLate afternoon, this Lincoln Park pub is jammed with sports fans sipping the local brew. There are over 10 beers on tap, Honker's Ale one of the most popular. Goose Island Brewery offers tours at 3pm on Sundays.Show this on mapE-mail this item
1800, North Clybourn Road, Lincoln Park, Chicago 60614
+1 312 915 0071
3. The Signature Lounge - Bars
Show moreSip a martini at The Signature Lounge on John Hancock Center's 96th floor. Enjoy the stunning panorama of the Lake Michigan shoreline and the city's dazzling architecture from the ceiling-to-floor windows. In the evening, the lights of the city twinkle.Show this on mapE-mail this item
875, North Michigan Avenue, Near North, Chicago 60611
+1 312 787 9596
4. Cubby Bear Lounge - Bars
Show moreDuring the baseball season Cubby Bear Lounge, located across the street from Wrigley Field, is always mobbed. Rowdy Chicago Cub fans flock here to mourn or celebrate after a game. At other times, the North Side bar is still crowded.Show this on mapE-mail this item
1059, West Addison Street, Wrigleyville, Chicago 60613
+1 773 327 1662
Subway/Elevated Railway: Red Line to Addison; bus 22 to Clark, 152 to Addison
5. The California Clipper - Bars
Show moreThis funky 1940s-themed bar in Humboldt Park serves classic cocktails at its 18.3 metre long bar and in small, padded booths. On weekends, live bands play anything from country, soul and gospel to jazz and blues. Monday is bingo night.Show this on mapE-mail this item
1002, North California Avenue, Humboldt Park, Chicago 60622
+1 773 384 2547
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6. Excalibur - Clubs
Show moreThis Romanesque structure in River North, once the Chicago History Museum, is one of the city's largest nightclubs, with a den-type bar, dance cabaret and lower level games room. Dancing at Excalibur varies from salsa to alternative.Show this on mapE-mail this item
632, North Dearborn Street, River North, Chicago 60610
+1 312 266 1944
7. Berlin Nightclub - Clubs
Show moreHeterosexuals, transsexuals and homosexuals gravitate to this Lakeview multicultural club, where DJs play progressive dance music. Fun Berlin Nightclub theme nights include Cheap Ass Tuesdays (US$1 drinks), Madonna every first Sunday of the month and once a month disco Wednesdays.Show this on mapE-mail this item
945, West Belmont Avenue, Lakeview, Chicago 60657
+1 773 348 4975
8. Sound-Bar - Clubs
Show moreRiver North's Sound-Bar is a classy, trendy dance club with nine bars including an upscale wine bar and beer saloon. DJs spin a variety of pulsating music. The two dance floors have video monitors, laser lights and projected holographic images.Show this on mapE-mail this item
226, West Ontario Street, River North, Chicago 60654
+1 312 787 4480
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9. B.L.U.E.S. - Entertainment
Show moreSince 1979, Blues lovers have clamoured to hear the wailing of local artists at this Lincoln Park club. The setting at B.L.U.E.S. is intimate with a long, narrow bar and small tables. CDs can be purchased on site.Show this on mapE-mail this item
2519 , North Halsted, Lincoln Park, Chicago 60657
+1 773 528 1012
10. The Second City - Entertainment
Show morePeople like Alan Alda, John Belushi, Bill Murray and John Candy got their start at Old Town's The Second City, Chicago's famous comedy club. In 50 years, it has lost none of its charm. Each performance is original and funny.Show this on mapE-mail this item
1616, North Wells Street, Chicago 60614
+1 312 337 3992
11. Andy's Jazz Club - Entertainment
Show moreThis cosy club in River North, with its 'wall of fame' and horseshoe bar, features mainstream, bebop and swing-jazz combos. Live jazz sessions take place daily, including lunchtime when you can munch on pizza or prime rib to the rhythms.Show this on mapE-mail this item
11, East Hubbard Street, River North, Chicago 60611
+1 312 642 6805
12. The Baton Show Lounge - Entertainment
Show moreOnce a gay club, River North's The Baton Show Lounge has become a fun venue for mixed crowds, especially tourists and bachelorette parties. Female impersonators dance and lip sync. The more tips the performers get, the better the show.Show this on mapE-mail this item
436, North Clark Street, River North, Chicago 60654
+1 312 644 5269
13. Chicago Symphony Center (Orchestra Hall) - Entertainment
Show moreThe downtown Chicago Symphony Center hosts 150 world-class classical, children's and chamber concerts yearly. It is possible to sit on stage behind the orchestra. Tickets are scarce but the box office has same day, discounted tickets for students and seniors.Show this on mapE-mail this item
220, South Michigan Avenue, Downtown, Chicago 60604
+1 312 294 3000
Subway/El to Adams/Wabash, State, Dearborn
14. Green Mill - Entertainment
Show moreThe Uptown neighbourhood is not great but the music at Green Mill is. Once owned by mobster Al Capone, jazz aficionados and hipsters come to hear Dixieland, traditional, bebop, contemporary and progressive jazz. Every Sunday is Uptown Poetry Slam night.Show this on mapE-mail this item
4802, North Broadway, Uptown, Chicago 60640
+1 773 878 5552
15. Buddy Guy's Legends - Entertainment
Show moreMemorabilia adorns the walls of Buddy Guy's Legends, a downtown blues mecca. Listen to music while devouring Louisiana barbeque or jambalaya. Buddy Guy, along with such notables as Bo Didley, Mick Jagger and Eric Clapton have appeared on stage here.Show this on mapE-mail this item
754, South Wabash Avenue, South Loop Downtown, Chicago 60605
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If hedge funds end up taking foreclosures off banks' hands, how & when (timing wise) will that inventory find its way back on the market?
Foreclosure Delays Cast Shadow on Real Estate Market
Seattle Bubble describes the unusual foreclosure picture best: "Foreclosures Establishing an Elevated Flatline."
Despite a national trend of foreclosure footdragging, RealtyTrac puts Washington State at 15th highest for foreclosure in the U.S., looking at filings for the first two quarters of 2011. Overall, RealtyTrac claims that 1 in every 632 Washington housing units received a foreclosure filing in June 2011.
Seattlepi.com quotes the RealtyTrac CEO saying: ""We estimate that as many as one million foreclosure actions that should have taken place in 2011 will now happen in 2012, or perhaps even later."
Seattle Bubble marks that trend with a post titled "The Shadow Inventory Next Door," while over at Redfin, Glenn Kelman explains why firesale foreclosures are more likely to be purchased by hedge funds than middle class bargain-hunters:
The problem is that the programs designed to ease credit for the middle class, Federal Housing Administration (FHA) and Veterans' Administration (VA) loans, impose rules that have completely diverged from the new realities of a distressed market. Banks liquidating as-is properties at fire-sale prices will almost never agree to the repairs needed to make a home move-in ready, as required by FHA and VA loans. And banks aren't waiting for additional inspections, appraisals or paperwork required by FHA and VA loans.
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Unfortunately they won't. Servicers/trustees like Deutsche Bank are selling them to hedge-funds and they don't have the required paperwork to do so. If these places are than sold on the market and the real owners come calling , your left on the streets with no recourse.Your home is gone, and so is your money. This is in its beginning stages but quickly coming to light. If the SEC doesn't step in to stop this soon, we will see a bigger mess than what we have now.


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Feb 25th 2008 7:17PM Well my fiancee hates the game, but I'm 24 and working on a Master's degree and (somehow) still have time to play WoW, plan my upcoming wedding, and keep up with real life in general, while casually raiding and working on my main 70 prot war, and my 2 favorite alts, 41 mage and 25 priest.
I'm sure there's many more that share my story... in fact I'm sure the majority have no problems balancing real world with that world we all love.
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Erie Canal
The Erie Canal offers a great number of activities. You can enjoy a tour of the canal which leaves from directly across the street from us. You may also enjoy a dinner cruise on the canal. Ther are hiking and bicycle trails as well.
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let's say based on features, performance and durability... what SINGLE year is the best year and why?
let's say based on features, performance and durability... what SINGLE year is the best year and why?
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The latest model simply because I want cool features and don't want a dated box that will have people assuming I work at Burger King.
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1992-1994, they are the same. The 1992-1996 (3rd gen) you will hear are the best from anyone that has owned multiple generations of camrys. The 95-96 is called the gen 3.5 and it received a minor facelift, but at the same time the interior was cheapened slighly, and it had no more features than the year before.
The 1994 got the all aluminum 3.0 V6 too. It was one of the most quiet, refined and smooth engines out at the time, also one of the most reliable. The 4 cylinder is just as reliable but not as smooth and refined, but it is easier to work on.
The Gen 2's are probably just as good as the gen 3's as far as build quality and reliablity. But are almost all rust buckets though and the gen 3 is much more modern and comfortable. The v6 was not as good either.
Gen 4 camrys had the sludge problem, not a problem at all actually if the oil has been changed, but on a 10 plus year old car you cant be sure. They really have just been downhill from there as far as quality until the most recent generation.
Last edited by 1995Camry; 07-01-2012 at 10:55 PM.
The 1992 was the first year for the model generation. Hmm. But the 1994 model got a passenger side airbag and a more potent V6.
Many think that generation of Camry was the last Camry made to be the best it could be without cost cutting (old Toyota durability with modern design). In 5 speed V6 SE form it was actually a driver's car.
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Actually some useful info in this thread...I was expecting this to turn into a "what type of hemorrhagic fever do you want?" thread. I too have heard then gen 3 4cyl are the most bombproof.
Didn't the V6 engines have a tendency to blow headgaskets?
Despite the supposed cost-cutting, I would take a brand new Camry Hybrid over all the others.
If you live in an area that doesn't use road salt, a solid argument could be made for the original '83 Camry, of which there are plenty still rolling around.
Sold: 86 240 DL 4MT+OD, 00 Protege ES, 87 325e, 93 S-10, 91 CRX Si, 99 Neon ACR, 90 Accord Coupe.
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And I believe that.
The 2nd gen Camry was a success and Toyota's reliable image was solid by the late 80s.
But they needed to compete with the big dogs (us domestic sedans- namely the extremely popular, good looking and driving Taurus), and in order to do that they really needed a sedan that competed at the midsize sedan level without compromise (power, room, ride, features, looks, refinement).
And it is good to know for 94 the V6 head gasket issue was addressed.
(you guys act like replacing a head gasket is some impossible repair)
I keep an eye out for 5 speed manual V6 camries of this gen.
Fuel economy is so-so, but for beater money you can have a really good car.
The 5 speed V6 626 was more enthusiast tuned... but I bet the Camry will hold up much better.
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The 98 I had was pretty bullet proof...I am also extremely impressed with its rust resistance. As a Canadian car, with basically 0 care from me(I took over from my parents from 2005 on, sold last year to a coworker who still drives it), with lots of scrapes and scratches that exposed metal. The rusts were just confined to those area with damage....The car was basically just a put gas in it and go, and change oil every 10k km. Brakes were serviced at some point, some control-arm bushing were replaced....and the car gets 30MPG no matter how fast (or slow) you drive...
The one that kept all it's letters on.
Originally Posted by Ducky TSX
Well, my wife is a big time Camry fan. She bought a '91 Camry right out of college, then I bought her a '96 Avalon and I replaced that with a '99 Camry and then I replaced that Camry with an '08 Accord.
I put A LOT of seat time in these cars. For durability, I would say the '99 was the most durable followed closely by the '96 Avalon (which I believe was just a stretched '92-96 Camry.) Neither one of those cars ever had anything break, ever, over several years and miles of ownership. In fact, I don't think I ever changed so much as a light bulb in ether of those cars. Not a belt, not a battery, nothing. We put 100k on the '96 Avalon and just over 100k on the '99 Camry.
However, having said all that, I think by a long shot my favorite of them all was the '91 Camry she had. She put 100k miles on it and was ready to get rid of it. I loved that car so much that I traded in my beloved (but terribly unreliable) '93 Ford Probe GT (stick) for her automatic, 4 cylinder, stripped down, base model Camry. . . not an LE, not a DX, a base model - cloth interior, roll up windows, no cruise control, nada. It did have AC, rear window defroster and an oem cassette deck. I held on to it and drove it for years and put an additional 125k miles on it. When I donated it to charity it had 225k miles, a lot of rust but it still ran like it did new.
It was just such a nicely balanced car though. I loved the shape, the size, pretty much everything. I put in batteries, did brakes every 80 or 90k miles. A set of tires would last two terms of a president, cheap, cheap, cheap to own and operate. Oh and speaking of tires, plain old all season tires would get you through the worst Indiana snowstorms. Outstanding snow car.
Super easy to work on. One time the starter went out. I walked into Autozone, bought a replacement, asked the guy behind the counter if he knew where it was. He had no clue. So I asked "can you at least tell me is it on top of the motor or under it somewhere?" He said "oh it says here it's on top." So I held up the starter up and just looked around the engine bay for something that looked like it - found it - replaced it maybe 20 minutes.
I loved the cloth interior too in that car. It was like a really rugged tweed fabric. It cleaned up easily and wore really well. Overall, I think the best Camry ever or at least my favorite Toyota of the bunch we've owned. . . and I say that because they stopped being fun after that one.
Kind of looked like this one - notice it didn't have hub cabs even! :
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I would say my Camry is OK at best... And that's only because it still runs. Outside of that it's crap. Everything is falling apart.
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This one of course (3rd gen), IIRC it had triple door seals.
There was big hub-bub when the 4th gen was introduced and it only had double door seals.
In 1992, the Camry was praise for. . .wait for it. . .handling.
Seriously, it is hard to understate what a big deal this car was in 1992. It made the competition look like pieces of crap.
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Originally Posted by .skully.
the 1992-1996 generation (3rd gen) is the best Camry period.
which year exactly?
1993. It would have the 1st year bugs out. And the V6 5-speed manual combo, even though it's the 188hp 3VZ-FE engine. The 1MZ, iirc, which came in 1994, was automatic only, until the the dramatic cost cutting 4th generation.
2008 Passat wagon, 2.0T 6MT with mods
Other Rides:
- 2013 Cannondale CAADX-6
- 2010 Specialized Secteur Elite
- 2009 Specialized Rockhopper Comp 29-er
2008 Passat wagon, 2.0T 6MT with mods
Other Rides:
- 2013 Cannondale CAADX-6
- 2010 Specialized Secteur Elite
- 2009 Specialized Rockhopper Comp 29-er
In terms of quality and how it drives? 3rd gen, by far. It's still a refrigerator, but it's like the commercial-grade Sub Zero model. It's the Baby Lexus.
The 2nd gen had more interesting models and features. There was an All-trac AWD version, the first V6, almost Honda-like super low beltline/high roof styling.
Protip: sometimes the 2nd gen Lexus ES which was entirely based on the 3rd gen Camry can be a better used-market deal. Everyone who wants a cheap old durable car wants a Camry/Corolla/Accord/Civic but people often overlook the luxury variants. Some of them are ghetto baller status, but a lot of them are still gently-driven old lady cars.
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Once upon a time, a girl named Olivia decided to study for two majors. She left her family's hut on the edge of the woods and ventured deep into the forest. When the weather changed and it was time for most young lads and lasses to return to their families' dwellings (they take advantage of the summer light to chop wood for their families' winter stock of fuel), Olivia found a group of youths who decided to stay in the woods. This was called BSI.
Then once that bunch of young people trickled back toward the perimeter of leaf cover, Olivia wandered through the forest alone once more, part of the diffuse group comprised of those doing independent studies. While sustaining membership in this rather scattered crowd, she passed several hours in the company of an assembly of yet more lads and lasses. This was known as the GRE, the Graduate Requisite Exam.
This assembly, however, stuck out in a bold new direction. No longer did they circle the campfire in search of antonyms; no longer did the ceremony adapt question by question. Instead, they worked on a full body of arcane trivia before the spirit of the proceedings determined in what vein the questioning should advance. This was known as a computer adapted test which adjusted difficulty section by section rather than question by question.
In sort, Olivia survived the long ritual but remains at large in the forest, still weaving daisy chains (i.e. English papers) for her independent study, slowly going loopy, while the majority of Butler lasses and lads prepare to return to the forest of academia.


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Northern Louisiana Wildlife Refuge To Gain 3,900 Acres
December 21, 2010
Upper Ouachita NWR. Photo by finchlake/Flickr
The Conservation Fund protects vital migratory lands in Upper Ouachita National Wildlife Refuge and begins effort to restore historic bottomland habitat
Morehouse Parish, La. — The Conservation Fund announced today the purchase of 2,340 acres of mixed farmland and timberland in Morehouse Parish. This acquisition completes an effort initiated by the U.S. Fish and Wildlife Service to add a total of 3,905 acres to Upper Ouachita National Wildlife Refuge (NWR) in northeastern Louisiana.
Located along the Ouachita River at the Louisiana-Arkansas border, the Upper Ouachita NWR provides a seasonal haven for tens of thousands of migratory ducks and geese, including mallards, pintails, wood ducks and snow geese, which visit the refuge every year for resting, foraging and breeding. The acquisition comprises the largest remaining inholding to the Refuge, and its ultimate inclusion as part of the NWR will enable more effective management of the area for wildlife habitat and public recreation.
"This property lies adjacent to 13,000 acres of refuge lands, and its preservation not only protects habitat for wildlife, it also provides additional areas for hunting and bird-watching, enhances air and water quality and reduces flooding and erosion," said Ray Herndon, Louisiana state director for The Conservation Fund. "Protecting this property has been a priority for the Refuge for many years, and we are proud to help the Upper Ouachita NWR finally make it a reality."
Through donations from its voluntary carbon offset program, Go Zero®, The Conservation Fund and its partners plan to restore approximately 2,600 acres here with more than 785,000 native oak, pecan and hickory trees. As the forest matures, it will trap carbon dioxide and restore key habitat for the American bald eagle and the federally threatened Louisiana black bear. Tree plantings will begin as early as January 2011.
"There's no place like Northern Louisiana, and we're thrilled to protect and restore this refuge for everyone to enjoy," said George Chandler, project leader for the U.S. Fish and Wildlife Service's North Louisiana Refuges Complex. "Across our efforts, The Conservation Fund has been a key partner in making this happen. Even as we celebrate today's success, we're rolling up our sleeves to do more together, for all of us and for generations to come."
W. Elton Kennedy, seller of the property said: "I've known and worked with this farm for a large portion of my life. It holds a special place in my heart and I am grateful to all who have helped to make this outcome a reality. This transfer will ensure the permanent protection of this land, to provide continued habitat for ducks, and allow the Refuge to manage its lands more effectively. As I have invested quite a bit of time on this land, the sale to The Conservation Fund gives me great peace of mind."
The U.S. Fish and Wildlife Service will acquire the land from The Conservation Fund as it receives funding for inclusion of the Mollicy Unit of the Refuge. Senator Mary Landrieu and Representative Rodney Alexander have championed this project in Congress by seeking federal funding through the Land and Water Conservation Fund (LWCF), including $500,000 in the Fiscal Year 2010 Interior, Environment, and Related Agencies Appropriations Act. In addition, the NWR received an allocation from the Migratory Bird Conservation Fund of $1,280,000 for Fiscal Year 2010.
"It has been a priority to expand the Upper Ouachita National Wildlife Refuge and these additional acres will play an essential role in the refuge's prosperity," said Sen. Landrieu. "Protecting these lands will enhance the overall quality of our local environment, act as a home to the thousands of migratory birds, and allow for added space for the outdoor recreation and sport that Louisianans love, such as hunting, hiking and bird watching."
The Conservation Fund's Go Zero program works with companies and individuals to help reduce and then offset the carbon footprint of everyday activities, such as the CO2 emissions resulting from an in-town or cross-country move with U-Haul, a flight purchased from Travelocity, a package shipped from Gaiam or the electricity it takes to power a Dell notebook for three years. Customer donations help plant native trees in protected parks and wildlife refuges, like Upper Ouachita NWR, which will capture and store carbon over time, while also creating forest habitats that are critical to birds, fish, bears and other wildlife.
About The Conservation Fund
At The Conservation Fund, we combine a passion for conservation with an entrepreneurial spirit to protect your favorite places before they become just a memory. A hallmark of our work is our deep, unwavering understanding that for conservation solutions to last, they need to make economic sense. Top-ranked, we have protected more than 7 million acres across America.