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Here's my story from this morning:
Still aglow from Oregon's win over Washington State on Saturday night, Max Unger was prompted to look ahead a week.
"It's USC," the Ducks' senior center said. "What more do you need to say?"
Well, how about 27-21, for starters?
Southern California's unlikely upset loss at Oregon State on Thursday has the Trojans suddenly seeming vulnerable. They were knocked out of the top position in both major polls, settling into the No. 9 spot in each.
USC is a wounded animal at present. The question is whether the No. 23 Ducks can come in and finish them off, or if the Trojans will claw themselves back into the chase for the national championship.
They'll play Saturday at 5 p.m. on the grass of the Los Angeles Memorial Coliseum.
"People are so shocked when USC loses, and they should be," Unger said Monday. "They've been one of the best teams in the nation for years. They're still that same team, though. Yeah they lost one game, but that doesn't really mean a whole heck of a lot."
Not given USC's record under eighth-year coach Pete Carroll. Since a four-game losing streak in 2001, Carroll's first season, the Trojans have yet to again lose back-to-back games. After losing in Autzen Stadium 24-17 last season, USC rocked the Beavers, 24-3. Click here to continue reading.
Here's a notebook by Scott Wolf with potential lineup changes and injury updates for the Trojans.
And here are Bob Clark's weekly Pac-10 notes, leading with the Jake Locker injury situation in Washington.

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Contrary to my previous post, I've learned that Sundin won't make a decision this week, and will likely wait until after Christmas to do so.
UPDATE: Note that Christmas is celebrated on the 24th in Sweden. Sundin has arrived in Sweden to spend the holidays with his family. Bob McCown of the Fan 590 is reporting that he has chosen the New York Rangers; however, I'm still hearing that this is not the case. Sundin hasn't made a decision and likely won't this week. Stay tuned for updates.


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"Thoughts on 30 Thoughts" is a feature that looks at Elliotte Friedman's terrific weekly post "30 Thoughts." Justin Bourne selects his 10 favourite tidbits, and elaborates.
Last edition: Rich Nash's potential suitors
Friedman's column, June 21st: Time to free up NHL free agency
Let's not beat around the bush here: Elliotte Friedman including a picture with a University of Alaska Anchorage player in it was a direct nod to this column, right? I mean, that's my alma mater, and he knows I FJM (or MST3K, for you sticklers) his column every week, so….yep. I'm sticking with the theory that it was no accident. Thanks buddy!
Let's dive in.
3. Reports indicate Roberto Luongo only wants to waive his no-trade for Florida, but that's a tough one for the Panthers to pull off. You could see how they would want him, hoping to grow momentum from a Southeast Division title. Florida's goaltending wasn't great in the playoffs and he could serve as a bridge while Jacob Markstrom gets ready.
I don't really get Luongo's thinking here. Obviously priority 1A isn't winning a Cup, or he wouldn't have Florida as his main pick. But that's fine, he likes the lifestyle, etc. etc. But if his main problem in Vancouver was "young goalie with a lot of potential got good and put pressure on his starting job," is moving to a team with Jakob Markstrom as the back-up really the right choice? I'm not saying Markstrom is going to turn into a legit starter tomorrow, but it seems to me that there's a very real possibility that Luongo could be leaving his situation (assuming a deal could ever get done, which I'm skeptical of) for one that'll end up shaking out the same way. At least Florida's fans and media won't abuse him so much, I suppose.
7. Generally, offer sheet talk is a waste of time. But I'm curious to see if two other players get any action. One is is Sam Gagner. He'll be 23 in August and the fit hasn't always been good in Edmonton. You're not going to throw $5 million at him, but is he worth a first- and third-round pick? (That's between $3,364,391 and $5,046,585.) There are a lot of teams looking for centres.
I included this one just because I wanted to talk Sam Gagner, who is really quite good at hockey. There's so much young talent in Edmonton (I mean, honestly, it's insane) that this guy could get swept aside and not see the minutes he needs to reach his potential. I know the old boys club frowns on throwing out offer sheets, but in a circumstance like this, I wouldn't hesitate. The Oil are going to have to spend a lot of money when their #1 picks rookie deals expire, so I doubt they'd match.
8. The other is Shea Weber and that probably depends on where Parise and Suter end up. The Pittsburgh Penguins have the rest of the league, especially the Eastern Conference, a little spooked. If they get one or both of them, other contenders are going to be desperate to do something. Desperate enough to make all-world defender Weber an offer?
"The rest of the league, especially the Eastern Conference, a little spooked" – and so they should be. Jordan Staal is a terrific hockey player, there's no doubt about it. But Brandon Sutter isn't exactly a bum. There's undeniably a difference between the two right now, but that's reflected in the nearly $2 million per season cap hit difference, money they can put towards another big name player. If the Pens can land either Suter or Parise, they're not going to be a whole lot of fun to play.
12. Two months after their opening-round loss to Philadelphia, it's still a painful memory for Pittsburgh. But the lessons are being learned by Penguins GM Ray Shero. "The Kings won the Stanley Cup allowing 30 goals the entire playoffs," he said Monday. "We scored 30 in the first round and lost (Actually, they scored 26, but you get the idea). "We played so well when [Sidney] Crosby came back that we lost our identity a little bit … We became a more run-and-gun, off-the-rush team. Look at the penalty kill. We were first [in 2010-11] and third this year. In the playoffs, the Flyers scored at will." Pittsburgh's penalty kill was 47.8 per cent against Philadelphia, by far the worst of any playoff team.
That's an interesting observation, almost the reverse of Bill Simmons' "Ewing Theory." It makes sense though. Once Crosby comes back to your line-up, it's likely you feel less pressure, less unsure about your team's ability to score goals, so you'd play less tight. That's where the Pens had their major issue in playoffs - scoring had nothing to do with it, but letting their foot off the defensive gas with The Saviour back might have been the root of the problem.
….That, or Marc-Andre Fleury miraculously out-awfuled Ilya Bryzgalov. Or possibly a combo of both.
13. What does all of this mean? Shero is targeting players like Brandon Sutter because "he is comfortable defending anywhere on the ice. You have to be able to defend to win. And not just your defencemen, but your forwards as well." Hockey analyst Darren Pang made a great point about Sutter on Twitter. Sutter's a right-handed shot — a balance for lefty centremen Evgeni Malkin and Crosby.
I fail to see where the hand of a centerman is relevant. In case they face some tough left-handed pitching? I suppose if those guys play together (on the powerplay, maybe?) it could be relevant, but otherwise, it's just a thing, not a "thing," like it would be if he were a PP defenseman. Not many coaches are going to send out Brandon Sutter over Sidney Crosby because a draw is on the right side, and it's minutely easier to win a draw on your backhand.
15. Heard a lot of praise for Brian Dumoulin, the Boston College defenceman Pittsburgh got in the deal.
I have so much faith in Ray Shero (or Ray sHero, as someone put it on Twitter), that I'm convinced this kid is going to be an NHL stud. When you hear about the "throw-ins" in other NHL trades, you're usually discussing some future AHL/ECHLers. Something about the way the Penguins organization has worked lately makes me feel like that's not the case here. After all, BC's a great program, and Jerry York's a great coach.
16. Hurricanes GM Jim Rutherford handled this very smartly. He called Shero once after Pittsburgh was kayoed, promising not to be a bother, but admitting his interest. He called a second time six days before the draft. Then, when the Penguin GM was ready last Friday, Rutherford didn't fool around and made a serious deal. The head Hurricane had great incentive to get it done. Jordan's a terrific player. Also, why screw around, risk him getting sent elsewhere, thereby annoying your franchise player and captain?
My favourite part about that story is the "serious offer" part. Most people don't have Carolina at the top of their "favourite destinations" list, so when you have an NHL stud who wants to join your team, don't tinker around. Don't offer 11 little parts, just flat out let the team know what you're willing to part with. Carolina still needs the major building blocks to contend – now that they have another one, they can worry about fill-in parts. (Incidentally, this is why Nashville should go broke retaining their two big D-men. They've filled in their lesser parts nicely, but without those guys, you're just a team of fill-ins. And you'll lose. A lot.)
21. Another attraction to Ottawa would be that the team is on the rise. Senators GM Bryan Murray didn't want to discuss Nash, but did slightly temper things: "We've got a lot of good young players, but we have to see which ones take the next step and which ones 'flatten out.'"
My notes on this thought are written out as follows: "It is?" (In response to the first sentence.)
Karlsson is on the way up, and Turris is okay, but, in general, isn't it sort of a "meh" team with an aging Spezza, aging Gonchar, and Craig Anderson in goal? I mean, not trying to kill the Sens here (as I've often been accused of doing), but I can't imagine there's a lot of people looking at Ottawa like they're Edmonton and thinking "Just wait until Daniel Alfredsson retires in a year, then they'll really be ready!"
Serious question: do you think Ottawa makes playoffs next year?
24. The biggest test for the Flames now belongs to their player development staff. Whatever anyone thinks of 21st-overall selection Mark Jankowski no longer matters. They've made the pick and must make sure their investment is properly cultivated. You've heard all the adjectives: "raw," "project," etc. Now you've got to make sure he gets from point A to point Z. One scout compared him to Blake Wheeler, a surprise pick at fifth overall in 2004, which isn't too shabby.
Here's Daniel Wagner with "Jay Feaster thinks Mark Janikowski will be the best player to come out of the 2012 draft" on some crazy hockey website.
I'm not exactly sure how one develops a prospect, aside from giving them ice time. You basically put him on the right team (whether that be in the NHL, AHL, NCAA or CHL) and hope, don't you? Beyond that, it comes down to an individual person's physical abilities, willingness to learn, and general work ethic. You can't teach those things (though you can give them a kick in the ass) – for the most part, they're just something you're intrinsically given. So…I'd say the draft part is a pretty big moment, then you cross your fingers and help where you can. (FWIW, I think it's possible to ruin a players development with terrible coaching.)
28. Besides being traded for each other, Schenn and van Riemsdyk have something in common: both needed a change of scenery. As I've written before, many teams believe Schenn will be better off outside Toronto and now we find out if that's right. The Flyers just seemed unhappy with van Riemsdyk as he was constantly included in trade discussions. He's more than capable of being a difference-maker, but must stay healthy.
The "change of scenery" thing is a very, very real hockey issue. Sometimes, when relationships sour, there's just no way to dig yourself out of the hole. You know your coach will react to what you do (read: how you mess up) in a certain way, and if you don't care for his response, it's depressing. You know your teammates tendencies ("Oh, 2-on-1, no way I get the puck here when Smitty has it"), and you know the team has a ceiling in mind for you.
Sometimes a fresh start inspires you to push yourself to your limits so you can show your new team and coaches what you can do. Sometimes you forget just how good you are. I think both van Riemsdyk and Schenn will have career years next season.


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Peke, your island is DREAMY! Love it! |
They messed up when measuring I guess. I bet they measured the length on the front part of the count, but didn't measure the back. So the counter was not square. They should have measured both. So they had to fill it in with some epoxy and some of the dust from the cutting. It is 1/4" wide. |
I kept the brushed side up. I love the texture. I am so glad it is installed, even though I am not happy with the 1/4" gap and the seam. Now to start looking for the backsplash and paint. |
I took this picture standing on a ladder so you can see the colors better. It has a pale green tint to it, but I can't even tell you what color green it is. Peke |
- Posted by joaniepoanie (My Page) on Wed, Aug 7, 13 at 21:40
I hope others weigh in here and I'm far from a granite expert and I'm really sorry to say this...but this installation would be unacceptable to me. The seaming at the sink and that big gap at the back and side of your counter look very sloppy to me. I would talk to the owner/manager of the fabricator shop.....search the Internet for good examples of seams and the backs and sides of counters and show them the difference. |
Oh, I just want to reach out and touch it! That is a gorgeous piece of stone. |
Peke, your sea pearl is gorgeous and the brushed finish goes beautifully with your cabinets! Can't wait to see what you come up with for backsplash. |
Joanie, I know. I am not happy. I told him when he left. He said, "help me out here. Can't you put a piece of molding there? Can you bring the backsplash around the corner on the wood cabinet?" When I told him they probably measured wrong he blamed everyone else....plumber who installed the sink and cabinet maker. Plumber came this morning to put in the faucet and he saw it right off. He measured it and the cabinet was square. The fabricator just flat measured wrong when he drew it on the slab. Then the fabricator didn't check and just cut it. Fabricator was about 20. Owner did the drawing. The front of the slab is 101" and the back is 100 3/4 ". So now that I know it IS their fault, I called them today and left a message for the owner. I feel bad for him, but he charged me more for the slab in case they messed it up and charged me more for fabricating. That is why they charge more....so they can redo it if they mess up, right? You know for $6400.00 + I expect it to be done right. This was a professional company that has a business.....not just a guy out of a truck. Ok, so here is my next question. Do they have to make a seam at the sink? Why can't they just cut the hole out and leave the front strip and back strip? They didn't have to cut it at the sink. The piece was long enough. They CHOSE to cut it because they were worried about it breaking. Do I accept it as it is? Peke Gigi, and kks, I keep rubbing it like it is a magic lamp. |
- Posted by may_flowers 8 (My Page) on Thu, Aug 8, 13 at 19:36
Even if everything was measured perfectly, the cut and epoxy color could be a lot better. Did you approve that cut at the sink ahead of time? I know you spent a lot of time talking with Karin, but Oldryder as a fabricator is a great resource too. He explains sink seams in this post. |
Here is a link that might be useful: seams
This post was edited by may_flowers on Thu, Aug 8, 13 at 19:58
Peke - that sea pearl is delicious but it sure needs some help with the seams and the back. I feel so fortunate that after our humpty dumpty incident that round 2 was perfect. Hope you get some resolution to this issue. |
May, I just found that post and asked OldRyder a question. Thanks, a2, I hate to complain about the counters. I told him I didn't like it over and over. He just kept saying I would not see the seams at the sink. Peke |
Oh Peke, the Sea Pearl is glorious but the seams are, imo, bad. Honestly I think he should redo it, I have no clue how seams that wide can be fixed.My granite guys really mismatched my granite. They did it over again and now it looks great. Old Ryder will be honest with you as to if it is good or not but I think the seams look really bad and you have a lot of time and money invested in your gorgeous kitchen. I think you should call and politely tell the owner it is unacceptable. Spell out exactly what you want them to do to make it right and be firm. I hope I am not out of line criticizing their work but you and your beautiful kitchen deserve better. |
- Posted by joaniepoanie (My Page) on Thu, Aug 8, 13 at 22:24
You are paying $6400 and he has the audacity to ask you to help him out just put moulding up.....that's simply outrageous! And they charged you more in case they screw up? If they hadn't screwed up would that extra charge be credited back to you.? I really hope you get some good advice from old Ryder on how to proceed....they need to redo the counter at their expense I think. The island looks fine and I love the slabs. I'm so sorry you have this battle to deal with...good luck...let us know how it all turns out. |
- Posted by homebuyer23 (My Page) on Thu, Aug 8, 13 at 22:33
Oh my gosh, it is so gorgeous!! Your island is to die for. I am really sorry about the seams. I'll be watching this to see what you do & how & if you get it resolved. I am totally unexperienced and following along with you & reading others' posts might hopefully help me avoid a situation like this in my near future. But, no matter how prepared you are, these things can happen and I just don't really understand how you get it resolved once it does. I know how expensive Sea Pearl is(bc I am dying to get it & trying to cut costs elsewhere to fit it in) so I see 2 problems...you paid a fortune & deserve to have it right. However, what possible resolution is there other than them ripping it out, getting a new slab and re-doing it? That will cost them a fortune and I imagine they will fight tooth & nail to avoid that. I am working without a KD and barely a GC so if this happens to me I bet theres no way 'little old me' could convince them to just cut into a new slab and redo it for me. I hope you get it resolved to your liking, at least a little money back in your pocket. But try not to worry about it. The counter is beautiful and really, of course it doesn't look great blown up in a close up picture, but once your kitchens back together I really bet it won't bother you, just enjoy that gorgeous counter! |
Peke, You spent tremendous amount of time, effort and money on the counter top. Your Sea Pearl is a stunning beauty, but I cannot say the same about these seams. What does it mean "help me out here"? Ask him who would help Peke out? I would ask them to redo it, or refund labor and material so that you could re-order slab and find another fabricator. A side note, reading postings on this site, it seems having a beautifully done counter top for the first time is a rare case. Most folks here had problems with slab yards or/and fabricators. It is so unfair and so unjustifiable. We are planning for two more bathrooms and kitchen, the thought of getting these counter tops done just paralyzing me. |
That is a gorgeous stone. I love those brushed finishes. So sad about the fabrication issues. Hope you can work something out. It's so frustrating and disappointing. Amazing how often these things happen! |
- Posted by IowaCommute (My Page) on Fri, Aug 9, 13 at 7:46
Peke I love that stone. I too would stand there rubbing the beautiful texture awaiting an answer. There seems to be so many problems with stone installs I'm afraid to do one for my next home. I absolutely love yours and would be thrifty on everything else just to have your Sea Pearl, but all of these crappy fabricators and poor customer service really gets me. It would have to be pretty close to perfect for me to enjoy it. We may just pick something like soapstone we can DIY. I'm crossing my fingers you can get this resolved and your other projects are coming along. I'm really pulling for you Peke. |
Peke, how did you select your fabricator? Does your GC have a prior relationship with them? If so, the GC should take this up with the fabricator and make sure they redo the whole thing. Everything about what they did is sloppy. Our fabricator took measurements electronically, and had special software that allowed me to see all of the cuts and seams ahead of time laid out on my slabs. I went to their shop and worked on the layout with them until I had seams that I was happy with. With the software, I was able to see exactly how the seams would match up on my selected slabs, which is critical for stones that have a lot of linear movement. And if the color shifts from one part of the slab to another, that can affect the look of the seam as well. I think if possible you should find a fabricator like mine, since it allows you to have some degree of control over the end result. |
I'm going to follow this too because I feel like you should be able to demand better. I'd love to hear what you decide to do. I know it is an expensive mistake, but it is most definitely THEIR expensive mistake, so I vote that it's on them to fix it. I hope they realize that and do what is honorable. You picked a gorgeous slab. I'm sorry that the installation is making it so bittersweet. |
- Posted by lazygardens (My Page) on Fri, Aug 9, 13 at 13:39
Do they have to make a seam at the sink? Why can't they just cut the hole out and leave the front strip and back strip? Because it WILL break when they try to move it, and then you have to worry about patching it. People think of stone as "indestructible", but it's brittle and can't flex. A narrow strip like that, especially one weakened by a hole in it, is extremely vulnerable to deflection stresses. As for the seaming - it looks like they had a dull saw and it chewed its way through the slab instead of slicing. Some stone is more likely to chip at the edges than others, but that's pretty ragged. |
Peke, I would love to know more about the color of sea pearl. The green in it is what initially steered me away as I was hoping for more grey undertones to go with a grey/blue backsplash. Since you have it there in person what are your thoughts on the color, would it go with that color? I love the look of the stone in your kitchen. Sorry the installation isn't 100% what you had hoped for, I'm hoping the fabricator fixes it. |
"Because it WILL break when they try to move it ", Is it ture that "cutting seams first and then transporting" the only way to go? Could it be done differently such as making the final cuts onsite? Hope Oldryder will share his insights; as I recall, Sea Pearl is quartizite that may be more sturdy to be handled. |
This post was edited by azmom on Fri, Aug 9, 13 at 17:25
Gorgeous stone! |
Peke - Every time I have something done, it seems like I'm never completely happy and I don't consider myself a picky person. I stressed so much over how my seams would turn out, because I've seen so many people on here that are unhappy with theirs. I got lucky with mine. I would take a picture, but I honestly don't think you would be able to see it in the picture. The two pieces of granite are so close that I can't see any epoxy. I've seen a lot of seems at the sink, but I don't have them. They did put one behind my stove though, because it was such a narrow strip. I was all ready to see your potential backsplash choices, so I'm sorry you're having to deal with this first. The Sea Pearl is gorgeous. |
The Sea Pearl is absolutely delicious--- and I love, love, love the texture! Great choice on your part. What a dreamy, soothing grey/ green. I can't offer any wisdom on the seam issue... I am about 8 weeks from having my Alabama White marble slab installed and I am already biting my nails hoping it all goes smoothly. The fabricator told me they can do it with NO seams. That's how they got my business. I really hope they don't change their tune come template day. I hope your situation gets resolved. I know you are anxious to enjoy your beautiful kitchen. |
- Posted by lazygardens (My Page) on Fri, Aug 9, 13 at 20:45
azmonm Is it true that "cutting seams first and then transporting" the only way to go? Could it be done differently such as making the final cuts onsite? Nope. Have you seen the size of the saw it takes to cut granite? And seen the size of the dust control equipment and the water-cooling equipment to keep the blades from overheating and melting? The stuff is ginormous! And it requires a industrial-sized power lines to make it move. Trying to work granite with residential electric power on portable equipment would be futile. If you want genuine stone, you have to accept the limitations of working it. There are size limits on slabs and there are limits on how narrow any piece can be (varies with the kind of granite). And you have to make sure you know what the limitations are and work with the fabricator. If you can't live with a seam at the sink, get a full-depth sink. If you absolutely want a certain swirl on your island, make sure you have approval after templating and before cutting. |
Really gorgeous stone. You must be thrilled. I was unhappy with my sink seam and contacted the KD who contacted the owner of the fabrication company. In my case, the installers are different workers than the actual fabricator who cut & laminated my stone. They had the "expert fabricator" come to my home & fix my sink seam. Reading other GW seam issues and seeing them get resolved reduced my anxiety & gave me the confidence to make sure they fixed it. |
Forgot to mention that they cut the sink hole at the shop, but they cut the holes for the faucet onsite. |
Peke, your stone is really breathtaking. Wow. As a die-hard marble lover, I am being swayed by your sea pearl. I can see why you wanted it. Best of luck with the seam issue. Please let us know what happens! |
Peke - Maybe he thinks you have cataracts if he thinks you can't see it! Looking for a swift resolution to the problem for you. |
Uther, there is a granite called White Lightening at Bedrock International website. They may have spelled it wrong. lightENing doesn't look right. Anyway it looks like marble to me. White with gray veins. Maybe you can find it near you. Pacific Shores would charge $200 if I requested a slab from another location. They said the money would go toward the slab if i bought it or another slab from them. if not, i would lose the $200. Maybe other places do that. msrose, they cut my faucet holes on site too. I wonder if they could do a partial cut out....then finish it on site. romy, thanks. The fabricator is supposed to call me next week. belle, yes, i got the "sales" talk too. No seams needed...$40sf, then $45, then after they cut it, the bill said $50.00 sf. I hope your fabricator does what he tells you. I had to pay for the whole slab, then waited for him to cut it. I demanded to see the layout. He said it would hold him up and that he would have workers on the clock not working if they had to wait for my approval. I made them wait. They left my house and I went straight to lmsscs, I can't describe the green color. There is no Crayola color that matches it. LOL Some of the Sea Pearl quartzite is really light green...maybe a celadon or celery color. This slab looked blue gray while other Sea Pearl slabs look green gray. The green in mine sometimes doesn't show at all. I see mostly gray and blue gray. Mostly gray, but I am planning on using blue gray tiles.... lazygardens, it thought it was from a dull saw blade too. They said they would have it cut in one day. I asked if they had ever cut quartzite. They said no. I told them it was harder to cut than granite. They started on Friday and didn't get finished until Tuesday night. swfr, I agree. It is their mistake. Plus that is why we can't get the price of a slab from the stoneyard. The fabricator ups the price of the slab in case of mistakes. If no mistakes they keep the markup. On average they should not have many mistakes. I have no problem with any of that, but they clearly made mistakes. Now they want me to take it as is. Soibean, my fabricator was recommended by three stoneyards probably because he buys a lot of stone from them. The next choice was 2 hours away from us. No electronic drawing or measuring. It looked like he used liquid paper but it probably wasn't. It was a pen type tool. He used mineral spirits to clean it off. Snookums, I love brushed and leathered finishes too. They are pretty in a subdued sort of way. I don't think they are pretty at first glance of my kitchen, but if you look at it for a while you begin to see subtle colors and patterns. My Sea Pearl doesn't have much movement compared to other Sea Pearl slabs. Iowa,,we only had 66 square feet of fabrication. We spent way too much to have bad cuts. homebuyer, it is just us doing the remodeling. I have no idea what will happen next, but I will give it my best shot. joanie, It is the most expensive thing in my kitchen. My American Range Double Hybrid Oven didn't cost as much. Slab was $2562.53 and fabrication was $4090.00 so it was actually $6652.53 and only 66 sf total. holly, you are not out of line. I have no idea what he will say Monday, but I will do my best to convince him to redo it. I know you all wish me luck with the fabricator. I will post when it is resolved. Here is a better picture of the gap and where he wanted me to put molding. He wanted to put the molding from the upper cabinet down to the gap then back to the backsplash. Or he said to bring backsplash around to cover the oak and the gap. |
lmsscs, i googled shades of the color green. shadesofgreen.facts.co On the light green areas (which i see only in a certain light) it looks like laurel green but lighter. Beryl and tea green are too bright or dark. On the darker green (in a certain light) it looks like Mignonette or Camoflauge Green, but lighter. |
it also has cream, white, and golden brown in it. The polished side shows the green more....actually all colors are more vivid. here is a picture of my slab....one polished and one brushed. the brushed side was prettier before the fabricator touched it. it got darker as he used his tools. it was already brushed. I don't know why he did anything to it. Then it darkened when he put the sealer on it. |
Stain test from brushed side. As is from stone yard. I am guessing they brushed it but didn't put sealer on it. My slab has sealer on it, but the two stain tests don't. i put lemon juice, tobasco, mustard, red wine vinegar, and red Kool-aid on it. The mustard and tobasco did not wash off. There is a faint pink blotch where the kool-aid was. peke |
Polished side stain test. Tobasco sauce and red kool-aid were the only ones that stained. The kool aid was the worst stain with the polished and the tobasco was the worst with the brushed side. Straight from stone yard. No sealer. I am going to ask the fabricator if he can seal a small piece of scrap so i can test it. if he is still speaking to me. LOL Peke |
lazygardens, You asked "Have you seen the size of the saw it takes to cut granite?" - Certainly, I have seen stone cutting machines, work benches, equipments and set up on a few fabricating places. They are different depending on how modern the facility is. They even gave me a tour on one site. Doing final cuts or smaller cuts onside should not be anything new, it was being mentioned by our upcoming remodel projects' contractor. Also please see Msrose' posting regarding cutting holes for her faucet onsite. Peke, keep us posted, wish you a quick and satisfied resolution. |
In a previous remodel, they cut one section of the granite too short. Rather than having you put molding by the wood cabinet, or extendyour BS around the side, perhaps they could provide the typical 4" granite BS for along the wood cabinet. That is what they did for me, and it looked good, covered the goof, and was actually helpful in protecting the cabinet from splashes, etc. |
- Posted by andreak100 (My Page) on Sat, Aug 10, 13 at 19:29
Peke - this is the first that I opened this post. Such a gorgeous stone with lovely texture. And such a horrible shame that the fabricator messed it up so much. :(Fingers crossed for a good resoltuion for you. |
What a beautiful counter top! I really hope that it all works out for you. We had a crack in our granite, along with a few other mishaps. Luckily, our fabricator was willing to work with us and made it right. I hope that yours does, too. |
I wouldn't want to put anything on the cabinet because if you change things down the road, the cabinet will be damaged underneath. I know, this is forever, but you just never know. |
- Posted by Texasgal47 (My Page) on Sun, Aug 11, 13 at 11:56
Peke, I'm so sorry you're going through all of this stress on such an important (and expensive) issue. I'll be following the thread and keeping you in my thoughts for a good resolution. Just an FYI, my Orca sink required a zero radius. The installer had his best craftsman do the sink cut out on site, and the result was perfect. The counter tops are granite. |
- Posted by foodonastump (My Page) on Sun, Aug 11, 13 at 14:13
First off, gorgeous stone! For that kind of money I wouldn't put up with those seams. What's the plan for the backsplash? I'm thinking most anything would cover the gap, or could be made to. But the seams are another story. I'm new to this kitchen stuff but I don't understand the concern about installing it as one piece. My main piece of granite is 117.5" with a 58" el, all standard depth, no seams. There was no mention of this being a problem. The hardest part was finding a slab I liked long enough because I was insistent on no seam. Three guys carried it in with some sort of braces clamped to the sink area. |
I forgot to ask something. How far from the backsplash wall does the counter slab go? He left 1/4" on one side and 9/16" gap on the other side of the sink. Shouldn't it be flush against the wall? |
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- Posted by Texasgal47 (My Page) on Tue, Aug 13, 13 at 21:13
Mine was flush against all walls. |
Mine is really close to the wall, I don't think a half inch gap is acceptable but Old Ryder would know, hopefully he will see this. I was wondering how things went today with the fabricator. Did you get any answers? |
- Posted by angela12345 (My Page) on Tue, Aug 13, 13 at 22:20
Mine was as much as maybe 1/4" in some places. I wasn't too thrilled with it even being that much. |
I had no gap at all between the slab and the wall. Good thing, because I did not want backsplash tile anywhere except behind my cooktop. And you are correct the backsplash tiles do rest on the counter top. |
The fabricator hasn't called yet. I left another message today that said we needed to get this resolved before the second reserved slab is sold. peke |
Peke, Gorgeous stone. I hope your fabricator does right by you. best of luck. MJM |
"Trying to work granite with residential electric power on portable equipment would be futile." Sorry, but it can be done. Our fabricator did the cutouts for our farmhouse sink, gas cooktop and around a column inside our house, using a handheld electric grinder fitted with a diamond blade. A shop vac collected most of the dust. They then polished the edges with another handheld electric tool. While we didn't like having to clean up the remaining granite dust, I would have rather them done it this way than risking breaking the slabs in transport or install. |
Wow Peke, it sounds like he is just hoping you go away. He is being irresponsible and it could end up costing him more in the long run if he doesn't take care of your issues. We are all pulling for you! |
- Posted by jellytoast (My Page) on Wed, Aug 14, 13 at 19:17
I'm a little late to this party. Peke, so sorry you are going through this. My slabs were measured electronically and they still managed to mess up a bit on the installation and the overhang is a bit different on one side of the range than the other. With the free standing range installed, it is not noticeable, so I let it go. It bothered me for a few days when I first discovered it, but I've gotten over it. And EVERYTHING bothers me! I do not have a seam at my sink and the slab on that wall is quite long. They put some sort of reinforcement on the front and back of the sink cut out. I believe OldRyder posted about this sort of reinforcement on a previous thread. I do hope you can get this resolved to your satisfaction. |
I started another post to get OldRyder's take on the issues. We are all in agreement. It is bad. Here is what I posted about our meeting today in the post with OldRyder. ********************************************************* No, we didn't plan on putting a tile backsplash on an oak cabinet. We also didn't plan on putting tile on until maybe next year. I told the owner of the fabrication place that before he drew it out. So a 1/2" + gap is going to let water and other things spill down the gaps. I told him over and over that I did not want a seam. He wouldn't listen to me. The slab had already been paid for and delivered to him. Two weeks later when measuring it out at my house was when he started the arguing. He promised I would not see the seam. He sent the young man who does the cutting to our house today to "fix" the problems and seams. The owner should have been here. The young man was very honest with,us. He told us that the owner said to make all these excuses...that didn't happen. Just like he told us our cabinets were not square. That is why the cut was off. Not true. He lied and made everything sound like it was everyone else's fault. He told the guy to lie again today. So nothing was done today because we think the whole sink counter needs replaced. He told the young man to tell us that we could buy a second slab so he could fix it. We had reserved two stones, but told him that if we could only use one slab it would be wonderful. But we told him that if we couldn't do it with one slab he was to call us. Here is what he did. He drew the pieces on the stone and drew them wrong on purpose so he would only use one stone. He did not measure wrong. Our island is on crooked and is 95" long on one side and 94 1/2" long on the other. The overhang is 1/2" on the left and 1" on the right. And it is the reverse on the other side. So it is sideways a little. I don't mind the small amount of overhang, but it should be on straight. I am so glad you agree with me about the gaps and seams. We told the young man that the owner would have to buy the slab himself and do it correctly and without seams. We reminded him that he bumps up the price of every The ball is in the shop owner's court.....Peke |
I'm sorry. You probably need to start thinking of contingency plans: what will you do if he does not suddenly become a conscientious, honorable business owner who does the right thing? Do you have money, or other leverage via the BBB, stoneyard, social media, consumer protection/advocacy groups, etc? Can the other slab be transferred to fabricator who has experience with quartzite and a different set of ethics? |
- Posted by bookworm4321 (My Page) on Fri, Aug 16, 13 at 7:46
Pete, I am so sorry you are having this trouble. Because I've been following your tale, I gaze at the lovely sea pearl in every granite yard. I too am in love with the quartzite. One store sells and fabricates (won't deal with KDs), and gave me best price. The "but" is he has called a few times and I think that while people who have used him have been very satisfied, he would be tough to deal with if a problem ensued. So, I shelled out $1000 more to go with a place where KD deals with and his fabricator of 18 years. Only on GW, would people think I'm not crazy. (By the way, it is a different quartz, one that matches my kitchen far better.) |
Peke, I just hope this knothead makes things right. IMO, he sounds very unethical. He raised his price on you several times, he has lied to you, and has done a crappy job on a stunning slab. If you haven't paid yet I would call him and nicely but clearly state that there will be no payment until the job is done to your satisfaction. It always pays to be nice (at first) until he proves his refusal to make it right for you. Then you may have to go to the BBB and social media. Hopefully you can reason with him. A reasonable person would see that the seams are not done correctly. I feel sick to my stomach at the thought of a fabricator making such a mess out of a beautiful stone like that. Good luck Peke, I will be sending good thoughts and prayers your way for a good resolution to your situation. |
No news yet. I hope my fabricator does the right thing. He is the only one around here except for the ones who fabricate out of their trucks. I have to drive a half hour to his business. All the other shops are 1 1/2 - 2 hours away. He definitely wasn't the cheapest either. Thanks. Peke |
I finally heard from the fabricator.....an email. He states that he has the other slab on hold and will fix the counter in September. On the counter he is replacing, I have a stain already. It looks like grease spots. Any thoughts how to get the oil out? Also, when they brought the island slab in I saw this green stuff....maybe epoxy...in the top of the slab. I know it wasn't there before. Is it possible that when they worked on the brushed side they did something to make it appear? In the picture it looks more brown, but IRL it is green....an ugly green. |
Oh my, I'm so sorry, Peke! Perhaps it is best that you get an opportunity to figure this out before a fabrication re-do, I hope you get some good answers! Is the slab porous? When you wet it, does it look different (for how long)? |
- Posted by chrissyb2411 (My Page) on Tue, Aug 27, 13 at 16:27
Any chance you can take your second slab and find a different fabricator? Based on this guys behaviour so far I would hesitate to let him anywhere near another piece of expensive granite. |
- Posted by annalyn123 (My Page) on Tue, Aug 27, 13 at 16:53
This isn't a material that can suffer from "green bloom" that I once read about? I feel so badly that you are going through this with your gorgeous countertops. |
- Posted by may_flowers (My Page) on Tue, Aug 27, 13 at 17:41
I was going to guess green bloom too. Kellinoelle had it last year and was able to remove it. You might start a thread on green bloom because I can't find her post that talked about the "fix". Someone will know. |
- Posted by angela12345 (My Page) on Tue, Aug 27, 13 at 19:05
May flowers, is it one of these threads ? |
Here is a link that might be useful: http://www.google.com/search?q=green+bloom+granite+site:Gardenweb.com
- Posted by may_flowers (My Page) on Tue, Aug 27, 13 at 19:11
Yes, thank you. It's in the update thread. Oven cleaner and a blow torch!! |
- Posted by angela12345 (My Page) on Tue, Aug 27, 13 at 19:31
I was just reading those threads. I had never heard of such a thing. Also picked up a good tip on how to repair chips in your granite yourself. |
- Posted by SparklingWater (My Page) on Tue, Aug 27, 13 at 20:43
Peke, you said you live a long way from other fabricators and possibly stone yards if I recall. So i fully understand your desire to make this work. I hope you don't mind my suggesting that between the seam and cut problems and now the apparent island quartzite green bloom (which makes me wonder about your fabricators storage facility), that you consider stop working with this fabricator and write a letter asking for full refund of monies. It seems every piece of Sea Pearl brought into your house has had problems and I don't see this situation getting better. Can you really trust someone who did such a poor job with seams and side cut to do a greatly improved job the second time around? Quartzite is a tough rock and needs a very experienced fabricator as well as many saws and tools of the trade. Not the job for a novice twenty year old, instructed by the fabricator boss. It almost sounds like the boss didn't wish to attempt the job of cutting himself less he, with his license in the trade mess up, but is more than willing to accept a very hefty payment. Is this similar to a bait (accepting the rock and the job) and switch (handing off the job)? I would elicit help from your local Better Business Bureau as my first step. Designed to help in situations such as yours, combined with your receipts, written statement of events, photos etc, they might be able to bring this to a happier conclusion for you. Granted it may mean picking a different stone/rock etc and different fabricator and being patiently creative in the interim in your kitchen. Your cabinets, appliances, lighting etc shows real design beauty on your part. We all are sorry for your troubles. I wouldn't worry about your fabricator. A licensed business has insurance, bonding etc and can take a loss from time to time. This is a serious situation: there must be a better countertop solution for you. Continuing to work with your fabricator suggests a degree of sustained confidence with him when in reality, your photos and story suggests otherwise. I truly hope you don't mind my frank speaking up. I would say the same to anyone here on GW or elsewhere. I hope this may help you in some way to a resolution favoring your beautiful kitchen, your expense on countertops, your time and frustration. I know Garden Web will stand behind you with wonderfully helpful insight. -SW |
SW -no problem. That's why we all ask for opinions...to get other people's perspectives. Thank you! I found a picture of someone else's granite with green bloom. I don't think that is the issue. The ugly green seems like it is inside a crack. That is why I thought it was epoxy or something. The fabricator tried to scratch it out with a razor blade. The head fabricator is the twenty something guy. He told us the truth about everything. I feel that they deserve one chance to make it right. If it is still bad, I will ask for a refund. Here is one picture of green bloom. Peke |
SW -no problem. That's why we all ask for opinions...to get other people's perspectives. Thank you! I found a picture of someone else's granite with green bloom. I don't think that is the issue. The ugly green seems like it is inside a crack. That is why I thought it was epoxy or something. The fabricator tried to scratch it out with a razor blade. The head fabricator is the twenty something guy. He told us the truth about everything. I feel that they deserve one chance to make it right. If it is still bad, I will ask for a refund. Here is one picture of green bloom. Peke |
SW -no problem. That's why we all ask for opinions...to get other people's perspectives. Thank you! I found a picture of someone else's granite with green bloom. I don't think that is the issue. The ugly green seems like it is inside a crack. That is why I thought it was epoxy or something. The fabricator tried to scratch it out with a razor blade. The head fabricator is the twenty something guy. He told us the truth about everything. I feel that they deserve one chance to make it right. If it is still bad, I will ask for a refund. Here is one picture of green bloom. Peke |
- Posted by SparklingWater (My Page) on Fri, Aug 30, 13 at 8:22
Peke, thanks for taking my post as an attempt at a helping hand. Sounds like you have the plan. Has your fabricator told you what he thinks the green is? |
SW, no he hasn't. It is in what I think is a crack....in several places. It almost looks like the old avocado appliance color. Peke |
I received an email from the fabricator asking me to call him. The other slab was delivered to the fabricator today. So it looks like he is going to fix it. Will post when I know. Peke |
Peke's - that is great news! |
Peke, I so hope that you get this taken care of to your satisfaction. Your kitchen is so beautiful, the slab is gorgeous, and when it all comes together and is installed correctly it will be a knock out! |
Measuring for sink template this afternoon! Peke |
- Posted by firsthouse_mp (My Page) on Tue, Sep 17, 13 at 17:13
Peke: Hoping that your problems are well on the way to getting resolved. I am sure you feel like this has gone on for a long time and that you are ready to be done with all of the issues related to your kitchen reno! Wishing you luck! |
So many problems with this remodel. Countertop is no longer one of the problems. New countertop and NO seams. Peke |
- Posted by SparklingWater (My Page) on Thu, Sep 26, 13 at 13:14
Gorgeous Peke! Just what we all wanted for you. |
Oh, hooray!!!! Looks just as fabulous as it should. So glad you were able to get exactly what you deserved. |
Beautiful! I'm so glad you fought for what you deserve! Was there a conclusion about the green on the island, and I missed it? |
Hurray! Thanks for posting a happy ending! Congratulations on having the confidence and persistence to get this right. |
- Posted by localeater (My Page) on Thu, Sep 26, 13 at 20:16
Hooray. It looks lovely. I am so happy for you and so glad you let us all know how it turned out! |
Looks great! Have you picked out a backsplash? |
What a relief!!! Happy to hear your counter install has a better ending. I really does look beautiful - I love the satin finish. |
I'm so glad you got a good outcome. It looks beautiful! Congrats! |
- Posted by firsthouse_mp (My Page) on Sat, Sep 28, 13 at 0:33
It's absolutely beautiful! Congrats to you...the photo is delicious. It makes me want to rub my hands all over it, it looks so satiny. I know the remodel was a bit horrendous and gut-wrenching, but it looks beautiful. |
Peke, I am so happy for you! The counter is absolutely exquisite. I am just so happy that you persisted in your quest for a beautiful topping for your lovely cabs. You now have the perfect setting for your "precious". |
Peke, your counters are beautiful. It must be such a relief to have the damaged counters gone & beautiful counters in place. We were all pulling for you! |
It looks great! I'm so glad they came through for you end in the end! |
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I have an old door. Its a 4 panel and about 7/8 inch thick. Its about 100 years old and appears to be hand made. The tenons are held in place with wedges into the motises and the pins holding it together are tapered and non round, not dowels.
Due to broken stiles and cracked panels, I have disasembled the door by drilling out the plugs. To assemble again, I plan to drill with 3/8 drill and replace with dowels (Not store bought, I don't want to see the end grain). I bought a plug cutter. I plan to cut out the broken styles and "lay in" new wood to hold the panels in place. I plan to stain the door, not paint it. My question is, does it matter what glue I use? I was planning to use "gorilla glue", not sure the proper name of this type of glue, but I am wondering if I should use a white or carpenter glue instead. Some people seem to have strong opinions about when to use what glue. TIA |
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White glue is moisture sensitive, so don't use that if this is an exterior door. Urethane glues (Gorilla being the most widely known brand) are better at filling gaps if the fit of the parts isn't great, but creates a dark glue line. Yellow glues are excellent so long as your parts fit together well. I'm a little puzzled by your line about the dowels: "(Not store bought, I don't want to see the end grain). I bought a plug cutter." The grain of the dowel must be perpendicular to the tenon if it's to have any structural value; a dowel cut with the grain running across its short dimension instead of along its length would easily break. If you want to cover the end grain, bury the dowel 1/8" or so below the surface of the door and cover it with a shallow plug. |
- Posted by steveprofinisher (My Page) on Tue, Apr 15, 08 at 19:22
The door was probably put together without glue originally. The pinning is all that is needed. A hole is drilled through the stay then the tenon is inserted and hole is marked. After removing the tenon a hole is drilled 3/16 to 1/8 inch away from the mark. When joint is reassembled there is a tool like an that is inserted into the hole to help start the pin. Next drive the pin all the way through. The mechanical action will force the joint together and is all that is needed to hold it tight. If the joints are lose just drive out the pins and re-drill a little bit bigger and insert a larger pin. 3/8 is a little to big. |
- Posted by bobsmyuncle (My Page) on Tue, Apr 15, 08 at 19:30
Gorilla Glue is terrible at filling gaps. It was the only glue to fail on a recent magazine's glue test when the joints were not squeaky tight. Yes, it will fill the gap, but it is foam and has no structural strength. Chances are the original was done with hide glue. New hide glue will reactivate the old and make it one. Hide glue is also more creep resistant than PVA (white or yellow glues). The only disadvantage (for this application, it is an advantage for other appplications) is that is neither terribly heat nor moisture resistant, so I would not use it if it is an exterior door. If it is an exterior door, I would probably use TiteBond III or equivalent. If you decide to use Gorilla Glue anyway, please read the directions. Wet the tenons, use the glue sparingly (less than half what you think you need), and clamp while it cures. If you don't, you will have a terrible mess of foam and open joints. |
Clarification, I have no intention to glue the tenons together, just repair the cracked/broken wood. I want to put the door together as it was. After some research, I am going to fill gaps with yellow glue mixed with saw dust from the door cuts. I will probably use yellow glue here on out, I did not have any on hand, but its cheap enough. Its an interior door. No problems with moisture. The "pins" were tapered, which was intesting.Probably just wedges made by the guy who made the door. As for my statement about plugs, I just do not want "end grain" showing. |
- Posted by green-zeus (My Page) on Wed, Apr 16, 08 at 10:04
Glue mixed with sawdust is a fine idea. I've was taught this technique by my cabinet-maker father and it makes for an invisible and durable repair. |
- Posted by steveprofinisher (My Page) on Wed, Apr 16, 08 at 15:52
"The "pins" were tapered, which was interesting." On the old stuff the pin were most often hand cut and square, driven into a round hole. Reminds me of an old saying... |
Interesting, I think I might put it back together that way and drop the drill and dowel process. Just make some square tapered pegs and knock them in. |
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Document Type Master's Dissertation Author Van Zijl, Magdalena Catherina firstname.lastname@example.com URN etd-07242007-094315 Document Title In vitro effects of 2-methoxyestradiol, an endogenous estrogen, on MCF-12A and MCF-7 cell cycle progression Degree MSc (Physiology) Department Physiology Supervisor
Advisor Name Title Dr M L Lottering Committee Chair Prof A M Joubert Committee Co-Chair Keywords
- spindle assembly checkpoint
- 2-methoxyestradiol
- cell cycle regulation
- mitotic spindle
- Cdc2 kinase
Date 2006-01-21 Availability unrestricted Abstract 2-Methoxyestradiol (2ME) is an endogenous estrogen metabolite with antiproliferative and antiangiogenic properties. 2ME also plays an active role in the induction of apoptosis, especially in cancerous cells. These properties have been confirmed by various in vitro and in vivo studies and render 2ME a potential antitumor agent. The mechanism of action of 2ME, however, is not yet fully elucidated and it is believed that multiple mechanisms are involved that may be dependent on cell type.The aim of this study was to investigate the differential effects of 2ME on cell growth, morphology and spindle formation in the non-tumorigenic MCF-12A breast cell line and the tumorigenic MCF-7 breast cell line. In dose-dependent studies, cell growth was determined spectrophotometrically. Light microscopy was used to investigate the morphological changes induced by 2ME and its effect on spindle formation was investigated by means of indirect immunofluorescence. The estrogen receptor status of the MCF-12A cells was confirmed with immunocytochemistry. In order to investigate the effect of 2ME on the length of the cell cycle, cells were blocked in early S-phase with hydroxyurea, then allowed to continue through the cell cycle and mitotic indices determined at regular time intervals. Checkpoint kinase and Cdc2 kinase assays were used to determine the effect of 2ME on relevant cell cycle kinases.
Although 2ME inhibited cell growth in both cell lines, the MCF-7 cells were inhibited from much lower concentrations and growth inhibition was more pronounced than in the MCF-12A cells. Treated MCF-7 cells showed abnormal metaphase cells, membrane blebbing, apoptotic cells and disrupted spindle formation. These observations were either absent, or not as prominent in the MCF-12A cells. Therefore, differential mechanism(s) of growth inhibition are evident between the normal and tumorigenic cells. Although the two cell lines differ in their estrogen receptor status, this could not explain the differential effects, for 2ME has a very low affinity for the estrogen receptor. 2ME had no effect on the length of the cell cycle, but blocked MCF-7 cells in mitosis. There were no significant alterations in the phosphorylation status of Cdc25C after 2ME treatment. However, Cdc2 activity was increased to a greater extend in the MCF-7 cells than in the MCF-12A cells. Therefore, it is suggested that exposure to 2ME disrupts mitotic spindle formation and enhances Cdc2 kinase activity, leading to persistence of the spindle checkpoint and thus prolonged metaphase arrest, which may result in the induction of apoptosis. The tumorigenic MCF-7 cells are especially sensitive to 2ME treatment compared to the normal MCF-12A cells.
2ME shows potential for the treatment of breast cancer. Selecting the concentration of 2ME that has maximum inhibitory effect on tumorigenic, but minimal effect on normal cells is crucial in its possible application as antitumor agent. Furthermore, research concerning the differential action mechanisms of 2ME is essential to create a better understanding regarding the treatment of cancer and may possibly contribute to the development and/or improvement of novel chemotherapeutic agents.
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Juniper Group Executive Committee
The Juniper Group is governed by the Executive Committee. The Executive Committee meets regularly to establish the group goals, and plan and schedule the group activities. Their biographies are provided to understand their backgrounds and interests. Feel free to contact any of them (see the Contacts page) to pursue a common interest.
John Anderson
I am a retired Prof. of Entomology at UC Berkeley, who has lived in Bend since 1993. I have been a member of the Sierra Club since the early '90s. I previously served on the Juniper Group Executive Committee for about 15 years and for several years I was the Oregon Chapter Issue Coordinator for the Klamath Basin. As an active fly fisher I am primarily interested in environmental issues associated with rivers, streams and still waters. I regularly volunteer for Oregon Dept. of Fish & Wildlife projects, have participated in macroinvertebrate monitoring of Whychus Creek, have conducted a study of seasonal macroinvertebrate populations and fish feeding behavior in the Wild & Scenic reach of the Crooked River, and I do some volunteer teaching about macroinvertebrates at local high school and middle schools.
Deb Jackson Brewer
I have been a Sierra Club member since Earth Day in 1970. I have a BS Environmental Studies from University of California, Davis and a Master of Environmental Planning from the University of Oregon. I worked for a municipal water and electric utility in Western Oregon for 28 years in Strategic Planning, Governmental Affairs and Sustainability. It's great to be in Central Oregon exploring all those wonderful places I wanted to visit during my busy years of work and raising children.
I am happy to be part of the Juniper Group of the Sierra Club because of its common sense approach to environmental planning and protection. I am one of the Hike Leaders and look forward to working with people of all ages to create policies and approaches that result in long term, balanced solutions to the numerous environmental challenges we face in Central Oregon.
Meriel Darzen
I am thrilled to be a member of the Juniper Group Executive Committee. I've worked on environmental issues in some capacity since 2002 and it is my passion. I have experience with everything from wetland protection to sustainable building to tropical agro-forestry to endangered species. After graduating from forestry and law school at UW I worked for a land trust in South Puget Sound where I worked on conserving salmon habitat. Last summer I moved to Bend where I am now an attorney at a small firm in town. In my free time I volunteer for Legal Aid and I'm an assistant lacrosse coach for Bend United Girls Lacrosse. I'm also on the Sierra Club Eastside Forest Committee and I write comments on many of the current Forest Service projects on the Deschutes and Ochoco National Forests.
Alison Hamway
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I've lived in Bend since 1992, when I moved here for a job. I work full-time as a labor relations representative for a labor union. I have previously served as chair of the Central Oregon Labor Council, and chair of Central Oregon Jobs with Justice. I am also an active member of both the Nordic Club and ASCO (Archeological Society of Central Oregon).
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I retired to Central Oregon after a career in nuclear plant operations and maintenance in the US Navy and in commercial power plants, followed by thirteen years of environmental remediation work at the Hanford nuclear reservation in Washington State. I have always been interested in the environment and conservation, but my retirement has allowed me the time to be active with organizations promoting those goals. I am an avid hiker and a skier, which brought me to the mountains and deserts of Central Oregon. I want to see the beauty that surrounds me here preserved for both myself and future generation. My primary environmental interest is preserving the desert grasslands, forests, wildlife, and clean flowing water that surround me daily in Central Oregon.
My perception is that today's Sierra Club lost its focus on this founding grassroots identity when it adopted its broader campaigns against carbon-based energy sources and for action against world-wide climate change. We must do both. One of my primary goals is to return the Sierra Club back to its traditional John Muir roots of local campaigns and grassroots community activism.
David Stowe
I grew up in Bend spending a great deal of my first 27 years exploring the mountains, lakes, rivers, forests, and high desert of Central Oregon. I those days, solitude could be had 5 minutes from town, and the forest began where the town ended. Wildlife was more plentiful, and people were much more scarce. After returning to the area after a 30 year stint running a public relations firm in San Diego, I was shocked and saddened by the changes in the area and the degradation of the local environment. I decided to try to do something about it, and try to protect this land that had taken care of me when I was younger. I am on the Ex-Com and the East Side Forest Committee for the Juniper group with the intent to do as much as I can to protect the local environment that we all love and cherish. I am a life member of the Sierra Club, a serially addicted hiker, and a lifelong lover of nature. I was on the board of directors and the executive committee for the San Diego Tracking team using wildlife transects to protect open spaces and connecting corridors in San Diego County. I also currently chair the Renewable Energy Committee for EDCO (Economic Development for Central Oregon), which is tasked with helping the renewable energy sector grow locally. I plan on staying engaged in environmental issues and promoting renewable energy here for as long as I am breathing.
Gretchen Valido
As pressure on our Central and Eastern Oregon environment increases due to development and government policy, it's more important than ever to have a strong Sierra Club presence. As volunteers, members of the Executive Committee make decisions affecting an array of issues within the environmental realm. It's been a privilege to work with the Juniper Group's dedicated, hard-working Ex-Comm volunteers.
Since early 2002 I've served in various capacities for the Juniper Group including Membership Coordinator, Political Committee Chair, Ex-Comm Chair, and Oregon Chapter Political Committee member. Since 2006 I've served on the Oregon Chapter Ex-Comm and have served as the Chapter's Counsel of Club Leaders delegate to annual meetings since 2007.
As for my background, I grew up in a rural Chicago suburb, headed to the University of Washington after becoming enthralled with the West's mountains as a kid, lived in the Bay Area much of my adult life, and moved to Bend in 1997. Why do I volunteer for the Sierra Club? Because nature matters! My conscience tugs at me with hope, reverence and respect when I look to the forests, sky and waters.
I believe strongly in the good work the Sierra Club has accomplished here and the important role it will continue to play. As a member of the Juniper Group community of people, I value the opportunity to work with them and act on my environmental concerns and vision for the future.


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I was wondering if anyone was familiar with growing rosemary. I'm not sure what I have at this point. I grew mine from seed last Spring, planted it in the ground & let it grow. In the Winter it got snowed on & had leaves on it. This Spring, about a month ago the leaves looked pale green all over it. I figured I had "dried" rosemary & the plant was done.
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Hi lovegrnapples, I've never heard of rosemary being hardy enough to withstand a winter in my zone, much less yours. In the Winter it got snowed on & had leaves on it. Do you remember what variety it was that you planted from seed? I have a dahlia that should have never survived being left in the ground here, but the thing has returned for maybe 3 or 4 springs. It is in a bed on the south side of the house, which is brick...likely giving it a microclimate. Sue...chemocurl |
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Oh...Sue... You're going to think I'm a fool but I decided to tell the truth here. T is for Thyme!!! My mistake it's thyme not rosemary. I did a google image search trying to find the variety & realized I "mispoke". And yes the leaves are completely different. I'm not sure but maybe my brain needs some sunshine to get those cells working again! LOL I didn't want you to continue thinking I was some magical rosemary grower & you weren't! This explains all my ?'s too, since thyme will winter over. Ok, have a laugh on me! |
I'm proud of ya for coming clean and fessing up. I do think it would be interesting to grow that one rosemary that is supposed to be hardy to -5 degrees and see if it might make it in the warmest spot on the property...like where the dahlia is. I had 2 varieties of thyme in pots that overwintered, but there is a lot of dead that needs trimmed out of them. Ok...having a good laugh on you! Guess you don't use many of your home grown herbs when you cook, huh? If so, I'd think you would have known the difference. Happy Gardening to you! Sue |
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You're right I don't use thyme to cook. I only use dill & cilantro. I planted thyme because I thought "oh, nice greenery, non-toxic to the 2 & 4 year old kids, & a perennial!" And then I kind of,ahem, totally forgot about it... How do you know what to trim out of the thyme? What does "dead" thyme look like? I WS dahlia & have little, approx. 2 inch sprouts. From what you wrote, I take it dahlia needs lots of sun? Any more advice? Thanks again, |
I take it dahlia needs lots of sun? Yes, lots of sun. There is a Dahlia Forum that you might want to go check out. How do you know what to trim out of the thyme? What does "dead" thyme look like? I lost one of one the smaller ones...it was a variety with really tiny leaves. I won't be replacing that one. Sue |
I wait until late spring/early summer to trim up my thyme because I have found that those twigs that look dead will usually leaf out and I will have a lush looking plant. Both thyme and rosemary are great added to small roasted potatoes. Rosemary buns are delicious. I am learning to use herbs in cooking where I used to plant them just for their wonderful aroma. I crush a few leaves whenever I pass them by. Thyme does not overwinter inside for me but rosemary survives and grows enough to take trimmings to use in winter cooking. I dry thyme in the fall. Easy to do, cut and tie small bundles or leave loose and bag when it is dry. |
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Complete Jewish Bible (CJB) | New International Version (NIV) |
1 At last Yosef could no longer control his feelings in front of his attendants and cried, "Get everybody away from me!" So no one else was with him when Yosef revealed to his brothers who he was. | 1 Then Joseph could no longer control himself before all his attendants, and he cried out, "Have everyone leave my presence!" So there was no one with Joseph when he made himself known to his brothers. |
2 He wept aloud, and the Egyptians heard, and Pharaoh's household heard. | 2 And he wept so loudly that the Egyptians heard him, and Pharaoh's household heard about it. |
3 Yosef said to his brothers, "I am Yosef! Is it true that my father is still alive?" His brothers couldn't answer him, they were so dumbfounded at seeing him. | 3 Joseph said to his brothers, "I am Joseph! Is my father still living?" But his brothers were not able to answer him, because they were terrified at his presence. |
4 Yosef said to his brothers, "Please! Come closer." And they came closer. He said, "I am Yosef, your brother, whom you sold into Egypt. | 4 Then Joseph said to his brothers, "Come close to me." When they had done so, he said, "I am your brother Joseph, the one you sold into Egypt! |
5 But don't be sad that you sold me into slavery here or angry at yourselves, because it was God who sent me ahead of you to preserve life. | 5 And now, do not be distressed and do not be angry with yourselves for selling me here, because it was to save lives that God sent me ahead of you. |
6 The famine has been over the land for the last two years, and for yet another five years there will be neither plowing nor harvest. | 6 For two years now there has been famine in the land, and for the next five years there will not be plowing and reaping. |
7 God sent me ahead of you to ensure that you will have descendants on earth and to save your lives in a great deliverance. | 7 But God sent me ahead of you to preserve for you a remnant on earth and to save your lives by a great deliverance. |
8 So it was not you who sent me here, but God; and he has made me a father to Pharaoh, lord of all his household and ruler over the whole land of Egypt. | 8 "So then, it was not you who sent me here, but God. He made me father to Pharaoh, lord of his entire household and ruler of all Egypt. |
9 Hurry, go up to my father, and tell him, 'Here is what your son Yosef says: "God has made me lord of all Egypt! Come down to me, don't delay! | 9 Now hurry back to my father and say to him, 'This is what your son Joseph says: God has made me lord of all Egypt. Come down to me; don't delay. |
10 You will live in the land of Goshen and be near me - you, your children, your grandchildren, flocks, herds, everything you own. | 10 You shall live in the region of Goshen and be near me--you, your children and grandchildren, your flocks and herds, and all you have. |
11 I will provide for you there, so that you won't become poverty-stricken, you, your household and all that you have; because five years of famine are yet to come."' | 11 I will provide for you there, because five years of famine are still to come. Otherwise you and your household and all who belong to you will become destitute.' |
12 Here! Your own eyes see, and the eyes of my brother Binyamin, that it is my own mouth speaking to you. | 12 "You can see for yourselves, and so can my brother Benjamin, that it is really I who am speaking to you. |
13 Tell my father how honored I am in Egypt and everything you have seen, and quickly bring my father down here!" | 13 Tell my father about all the honor accorded me in Egypt and about everything you have seen. And bring my father down here quickly." |
14 Then he embraced his brother Binyamin and wept, and Binyamin wept on his neck, | 14 Then he threw his arms around his brother Benjamin and wept, and Benjamin embraced him, weeping. |
15 and he kissed all his brothers and wept on them. After that, his brothers talked with him. | 15 And he kissed all his brothers and wept over them. Afterward his brothers talked with him. |
16 The report of this reached Pharaoh's house: "Yosef's brothers have come"; and Pharaoh and his servants were pleased. | 16 When the news reached Pharaoh's palace that Joseph's brothers had come, Pharaoh and all his officials were pleased. |
17 Pharaoh said to Yosef, "Tell your brothers, 'Here is what you are to do. Load up your animals, go to the land of Kena'an, | 17 Pharaoh said to Joseph, "Tell your brothers, 'Do this: Load your animals and return to the land of Canaan, |
18 take your father and your families, and come back to me. I will give you good property in Egypt, and you will eat the fat of the land. | 18 and bring your father and your families back to me. I will give you the best of the land of Egypt and you can enjoy the fat of the land.' |
19 "'Moreover - and this is an order - do this: take wagons from the land of Egypt to carry your little ones and your wives, and bring your father, and come. | 19 "You are also directed to tell them, 'Do this: Take some carts from Egypt for your children and your wives, and get your father and come. |
20 Don't worry about your stuff, because everything good in the land of Egypt is yours.'" | 20 Never mind about your belongings, because the best of all Egypt will be yours.' " |
21 The sons of Isra'el acted accordingly; and Yosef gave them wagons, as Pharaoh had ordered, and gave them provisions for their journey. | 21 So the sons of Israel did this. Joseph gave them carts, as Pharaoh had commanded, and he also gave them provisions for their journey. |
22 To each of them he gave a set of new clothes; but to Binyamin he gave seven-and-a-half pounds of silver and five sets of new clothes. | 22 To each of them he gave new clothing, but to Benjamin he gave three hundred shekels of silver and five sets of clothes. |
23 Likewise, to his father he sent ten donkeys loaded with the finest goods Egypt produced, as well as ten female donkeys loaded with grain, bread and food for his father to eat on the return journey. | 23 And this is what he sent to his father: ten donkeys loaded with the best things of Egypt, and ten female donkeys loaded with grain and bread and other provisions for his journey. |
24 Thus he sent his brothers on their way, and they left; he said to them, "Don't quarrel among yourselves while you're traveling!" | 24 Then he sent his brothers away, and as they were leaving he said to them, "Don't quarrel on the way!" |
25 So they went up out of Egypt, entered the land of Kena'an and came to Ya'akov their father. | 25 So they went up out of Egypt and came to their father Jacob in the land of Canaan. |
26 They told him, "Yosef is still alive! He is ruler over the whole land of Egypt!" He was stunned at the news; he couldn't believe them. | 26 They told him, "Joseph is still alive! In fact, he is ruler of all Egypt." Jacob was stunned; he did not believe them. |
27 So they reported to him everything Yosef had said to them; but it was only when he saw the wagons which Yosef had sent to carry him that the spirit of Ya'akov their father began to revive. | 27 But when they told him everything Joseph had said to them, and when he saw the carts Joseph had sent to carry him back, the spirit of their father Jacob revived. |
28 Isra'el said, "Enough! My son Yosef is still alive! I must go and see him before I die." | 28 And Israel said, "I'm convinced! My son Joseph is still alive. I will go and see him before I die." |
Complete Jewish Bible Copyright 1998 by David H. Stern. Published by Jewish New Testament Publications, Inc. All rights reserved. Used by permission. (The Complete Jewish Bible Online) | Scripture quoted by permission. Quotations designated (NIV) are from THE HOLY BIBLE: NEW INTERNATIONAL VERSION®. NIV®. Copyright © 1973, 1978, 1984 by Biblica. All rights reserved worldwide. (New International Version Bible Online) |


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If you had $500K to spend on cars, which would you buy?
habitat1 Posts: 4,282Lucy Liu = Japanese
Excuse me? Lucy Liu is of Chinese descent (Born in the US). That slip up will get you a busted kneecap (from her).
But before I get implicated by anyone as being a sexist male pig for starting this, the point of my unappreciated joke is that Anna may have some of the biggest American ta-ta's around, but nothing of genuine substance that matters. Kind of like a chrome infested blinged up Cadillac Escalade. And that, is not my style. -
fjm1 Posts: 137Yeah, Lucy's got mad skillz like you see in Charlie's Angels. I need to be on the lookout for her blinged out Escalade cause she spent her $500K at Unique Autosports.
Will Castro is going to do a special on Morena Corwin's Giddyupidness, Huge Cabinocity, and Seat Flexology Kia Rondo. Maybe I'll add it (her) to my list.
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