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trusso69 Posts: 68how did 27500 msrp become 29445 retail value?
why are they charging you tax on the entire amount instead of only the lease payment as is proper in AZ?
how much is the tint and how are you paying for it?
why is there BOTH a doc fee of 399 (BS) and a dealer fee of 199?
you MAY qualify for BOTH the conquest bonus of 1000 plus there is another 1000 of lease bonus cash; they only gave you 1500 of it
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trusso69 Posts: 68I am NOT trying to be a [non-permissible content removed]; I'd like you to get a good deal.
This guy francko said:
"Did not qualify for any of the rebates (loyalty or competitive)"
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trusso69 Posts: 68why you don't make a large down payment on ANY lease:
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trusso69 Posts: 68Here's the detail numbers I used for your review:
msrp 27500; sell 25500 (includes dealer fees)
costs added to lease: 795 (595 acq fee, 200 tint)
credits 1850 (lease bonus 1000, conquest bonus 1000; adjusted for tax)
56% residual is set by KMF (Kia Motor Finance)
money factor 0.00105 is also set by KMF
39 month term; 7% state tax rate on the lease payment only
Plugged all this into that lease calc and came up with the $293 payment
All you need to add is the Arizona DMV fees (estimated 300 in the example; are they really that high?)
take some time to digest all that...GL
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CarMan@Edmunds Posts: 38,515sven_4, Kia Financial Services' current buy rate lease money factor and residual value for a 36-month lease of a 2013 Optima SX with 12,000 miles per year are .00061 and 56% for consumers who qualify for its top credit tier.
Kia is currently providing a $1,000 cash incentive on leases of this car.
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CarMan@Edmunds Posts: 38,515Hi cali92. Kia Financial Services' March buy rate lease money factor and residual value for a 36-month lease of a 2013 Optima LX with .00074 and 58% for consumers who qualify for its top credit tier.
In most areas Kia is providing a $1,000 cash incentive on leases of this car.
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CarMan@Edmunds Posts: 38,515Yes I can drwoobin. Kia Financial Services' March buy rate lease money factor and residual value for a 36-month lease of a 2013 Optima Hybrid with 12,000 miles per year are .00079 and 55% for consumers who qualify for its top credit tier.
Kia is providing a $1,500 cash incentive on leases of this car. Make sure to take this cash into account when negotiating your vehicle's capitalized cost.
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hotboy34 Posts: 1I know some of you all are from up North and the Kia's are higher up there. Have you look at the dealer ship down south in GA, because they are cheaper down their. My wife and I brought the 2013 LX Sorento with the Convience Package and it was $25,000. The warranty is good but we got gap, and added a extended warranty because of our driving and came out with a 471.00 payment. I know the Kia in Albany, GA will have your car driven to you are ship to you ladies and gentlemen.
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jssxl13 Posts: 1Wife just leased 2013 optima SXl for 232.00 . Was this a good deal here are the numbers.
Msrp 35,645. Sale price 32,279- trade in 3,189 -rebates 3,000 -term 36 months -residual 56 percent
Money factor .00101 -Acquisition fee 595 -and registration , inspection deal fee was 277.45 . Payed taxes upfront don't know if that was a wise idea. Any thoughts on this deal.
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She said the Bolivar County Election Commission has worked diligently to ensure the voter rolls are accurate and that the county's races and candidates are properly placed on the ballot.
Kelly said, "A few words can not describe how much work goes into preparing for an election, but know that the commission has put in countless hours to make sure this election runs smoothly."
There are a few issues the Election Commission want voters to be reminded of prior to the election.
If anyone has recently registered to vote, whether with the Circuit Clerk's Office, an organization or any other agency, and has not received a Voter Registration Card, please contact Circuit Clerk's office. This card is your confirmation that you have been registered on the Bolivar County Voter Roll.
Another issue the Election Commission would like to address is Voter ID.
Mississippi has not implemented Voter ID as of yet, so residents will not be required to show identification.
Mississippi has always required first-time registrants, who did not register with the Circuit Clerk's Office, to show identification at the polls.
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Guidelines for entering the IBC2015 Innovation Awards
1 The IBC Innovation Awards celebrate the partnership between technology companies and their broadcast and media customers. Each award is presented to the end user company, but the honour is shared with their technology partners who will be invited to join them on stage in recognition of the collaboration which makes for an outstanding, innovative solution. The Awards have now developed a tremendous reputation as the most sought-after in the industry, because they reflect the challenges of the real world.
2 The IBC Innovation Awards are not product awards. Nominations for new technology or products without an end user will be rejected at the first stage. We are unique in celebrating collaboration in the IBC Innovation Awards.
3 Entries can be made either by the end user or by a technology partner (or its PR agency). Because the award goes to the end user, if you are entering on behalf of a supplier it is important that you discuss it with the end user before submitting the entry, and can ensure, if you are shortlisted, that representatives of the end user will be at the ceremony on Sunday 13 September, at 18:30 in the Auditorium at the RAI Amsterdam.
4 A winning entry will demonstrate an innovative and imaginative solution to a real technical, creative or commercial challenge. The most important factor is to demonstrate collaboration between user and technology partner or partners. A simple, low-cost system is just as likely to win as a multi-million dollar redevelopment project.
5 Projects can involve one technology partner or bring together a large number of partners. The project can be led by a supplier or by an in-house team. There is space on the entry form for you to list the technology partners.
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11 As well as the complete description we ask you for a summary of the project challenges and success, in 100 words.
12 To add to your entry you may want to supply a short video which shows the project and its effectiveness. We are happy to accept videos of up to five minutes in length, either on a DVD or as a video file. Only submit videos if they add to your explanation of the project: again, generic marketing material is not appropriate and will not help your cause. Please ensure any supporting material to your entry is sent to Carol Kerr, IBC, Third Floor, 10 Fetter Lane, London, EC4A 1BR, UK.
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Saddam's Trial: Farce or Justice?
The death sentence handed down Sunday for Saddam Hussein's role in the execution of 148 Shiite villagers in 1982 provoked strong media reaction the world over.
The strongest expressions of approval came from two groups who don't often agree: Iranian online commentators and supporters of the U.S.-led invasion in 2003 that lead to Hussein's capture. The sharpest criticism came from Arab observers who saw the trial and verdict as tailored to U.S. interests and from European pundits opposed to the death penalty under all circumstances.
Few commentators derive much comfort from the decision because of the ongoing chaos in Iraq, according to a BBC media survey. "There is widespread concern that the violence will continue, or even increase, with one Arab commentator arguing that the world is witnessing the 'crumbling of Iraq,'" said the British news site.
Was Justice Served?
Yes, says the government-dominated media in neighboring Iran which fought an eight-year war with Iraq in the 1980s.
Describing the former Iraqi president as "a criminal of monumental and historic proportions," the Iran News said, "Good riddance Saddam."
"The brave verdict that the judge issued soothed the pains and agonies of the Iranians and Iraqis and will have positive effects for these two countries," said Iran's judiciary chief Ayatollah Hashemi Shahroudi, according to the Fars New Agency.
In Saudi Arabia, the Arab News also approved, saying, "To have been sentenced to anything less severe would have been not only a travesty -- which much of the trial has been -- but also completely unjust to the thousands whose lives were either cut short or ruined because of the merciless dictator and his dictatorship."
The Gulf News in Qatar welcomed the verdict as "a strong message for other dictators in the region and around the world."
"What the world has witnessed is the end of a trial, conducted in a war zone on behalf of a struggling democracy, in which the defendant was as guilty as sin," said the Daily Telegraph in London. "The death of Saddam is not a sufficient condition for the establishment of democracy in Iraq, but it is certainly a necessary one."
The German financial daily Handelsblatt recalled that at one time Hussein's trial was expected to act "as a catharsis," according to Spiegel Online's translation. "Now, in the face of the increasing violence, the trail "has seemed an unimportant sideshow ... The original aim of self purification has been overtaken by the daily chaos."
Still, the trial was worthwhile, said the financial daily. "Saddam, who had made himself godlike with his ludicrous personality cult, was shrunk back to normal size in court."
"This alone made the trial worthwhile. The Kurds should now be given the chance to bring him to justice for crimes against them. The paper counsels that there should be 'no rush to send Saddam to his death ... if at all.'"
The conservative daily Die Welt praised Iraq for being the first Arab country to attempt to "use the law to deal with a terrible dictator and to embark on a new path towards a different future."
But for many in the Middle East and Europe, the verdict served neither justice nor the people of Iraq.
"The sentence was illegal and the court unfair. How could it be otherwise since it was created by the occupier's decision, its judges fleeing or dismissed and the lawyers attacked by the government's death squads?" asked Al Quds Al Arabi, a hardline daily that is critical of the United States and Israel.
A Court of Chaos
"The sentence was not lawful. The trial was politicized and the outcome known," Khaled Al-Habbas, a Saudi political analyst, told the Saudi Gazette.
The Khaleej Times said the decision was "victors' justice at its worst."
"Saddam is the first leader from an Arab and Middle Eastern country to be deposed and put in the dock like an ordinary criminal, " said the Persian Gulf daily. "Which is why it was absolutely critical to make the whole process of trying the former Iraqi leader and his men transparent and completely fair. Which hasn't been the case in this trial."
In Britain, The Times agreed saying the courtroom proceeding resembled "an exercise in vengeance of the Shia majority in Iraq" with the verdict amounting to "victor's justice."
The Guardian said "none of the judges and lawyers showed an understanding of international criminal law; court administration was chaotic. Reliance on anonymous witnesses undercut the defendants' right to confront witnesses and test their evidence. The murder of four defence lawyers and the removal of a judge under political pressure made the whole thing a black farce."
In France, Le Figaro (in French) said the verdict "could not be contested" but regretted that it gave "the impression of legitimizing a military intervention, undertaken under false pretenses, rather than serving as the founding act of a State of law, after 24 years of dictatorship."
The conservative daily urged the death sentence be commuted to life in prison. So did El Mundo in Spain and the Swiss government.
Blaming the United States
Many critics of the Hussein trial said executing Hussein would serve to hide his relationship to the United States in the 1980s.
Hussein's trial did not bring to light "the fact that the West, particularly the United States, bears at least some responsibility for the deaths of many of Saddam's victims," said the Daily Star in Beirut.
"The former dictator used US-supplied poison gas to commit his atrocities against the Kurds during the Iran-Iraq war, when the Reagan administration was supporting and arming the Iraqi regime. After the Iran-Iraq war ended in 1988, Saddam sent his military to crack down on a Kurdish uprising in the Anfal campaign, again with the support of the US president, who opposed congressional legislation to impose sanctions against Iraq at that time."
The Tehran Times said the U.S. seeks "to prevent the disclosure of secrets about the cooperation of the United States and some other Western countries with the Iraqi Baathist regime during the war against Iran."
"Clearly, if Saddam had revealed these secrets in court, the world would have become better acquainted with the real intentions of the United States and Europe."
Cherif Bassiouni, professor of law at DePaul University and an adviser to the Iraqi tribunal, said the U.S.-written statutes were to blame for the sometimes chaotic scenes in the courtroom.
The judges, prosecutors, and defense attorneys were not "familiar with the adversarial, accusatorial practice of the American system which has been foisted upon them by the American drafters of the statute and [other legal advisers and] have reverted to the practices they know best under the 1971 Iraqi code of criminal procedure," Bassiouni told the Financial Times (by subscription).
Iraqi newspapers refrained from commenting on the verdict Monday, but a Baghdad blogger known as Riverbend did not.
"It's not about the man- presidents come and go, governments come and go," she wrote. "It's the frustration of feeling like the whole country and every single Iraqi inside and outside of Iraq is at the mercy of American politics. It is the rage of feeling like a mere chess piece to be moved back and forth at will. It is the aggravation of having a government so blind and uncaring about their peoples needs that they don't even feel like it's necessary to go through the motions or put up an act. And it's the deaths. The thousands of dead and dying, with Bush sitting there smirking and lying about progress and winning in a country where every single Iraqi outside of the Green Zone is losing."
What Next?
"The trial - and the verdict - has reinforced the divisions in the country," said the BBC
Most expect violence to increase.
"There is no reason for celebration because the execution of Iraq preceded Saddam's death sentence," said Al Hayat (in Arabic), the secular nationalist Arab daily published in London. "We are witnessing the disintegration of a State we wish was a leader and example to follow given its natural and human resources. There is no reason for celebration because today's Iraq seems much more dangerous for itself and its neighbors than Saddam's Iraq which was hugely dangerous."
When the Gulf News asked readers yesterday if Saddam's execution would make Iraq more peaceful or more violent, 58 percent said more violent. Only 11 percent said more peaceful; 30 percent thought it would make no difference.
Tunisian journalist Hmida Ben Romdhane contributed to this post. Romdhane is the editor-in-chief of the international desk of the Tunisian daily newspaper "La Presse." He is with washingtonpost.com for several weeks as part of a two-month fellowship sponsored by the U.S. Department of State and the International Research and Exchanges Board.
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Posted by: Robert Rose | November 7, 2006 11:42 AM
No, Robert. Farces are funny.
Posted by: Alicia | November 7, 2006 12:05 PM
A Joke perpetrated by Rummy & Cheney. Rummy delivered the weapons that killed those alleged Saddam assassins. America was complicit in Saddam's rise to power, sided with Saddam in the Iran-Iraq war, etc. America should be proud: they made Saddam and they brought down Saddam. Ha ha ha
Posted by: M.Stratas | November 7, 2006 12:27 PM
148 people? Seriously?
What's next? Clinton and Reno on trial for the Branch Davidians in Waco?
Bush on trial for "ordering" the deaths of 500,000 Iraqis?
Gimme a break!
Posted by: For Crying out Loud | November 7, 2006 12:56 PM
The spectacle of a verdict just before election day, for republican advantage, renders any other question moot. (Once Saddam was caught no one thought the outcome could be otherwise. But the spectacle was putrid.
Posted by: Ruled Moot | November 7, 2006 01:05 PM
How many documented deaths has Saddam caused? Horrible. But how many deaths has G.W. Bush caused? In Iraq, and CERTAINLY Including the 1,000 he let the Jews kill in Lebanon before allowing the cease fire everyone wanted. And perhaps count the Palestinian deaths GWB's great friend Sharon caused with US administration money and arms...and...
Posted by: | November 7, 2006 01:08 PM
I don't think the sentence was a big surprise, but it will probably split Iraq. The Shia may cheer, but many Sunni will not accept the sentence. Because it occured during the American occupation, it will not be accepted by the Arab street outside of Iraq. They do not like the idea of an Arab leader being brought down by a western nations.
I think it would have been better for Iraqi unity, if the trial had been held in the international court. There would have been no death sentence, and Sadddam Hussein would not be seen as a martyr in some quarters. However, with the strong feelings on both sides of this issue in Iraq, a trial outside of Iraq would also not be accepted. This is a no win situation for everyone involved.
Posted by: P. J. Casey | November 7, 2006 01:13 PM
Caspar Weinburger (sp?) said "We're not sure it was Saddam Hussein who killed those Kurds because that's not the gas we gave him"
Should we try him too?
Or should we let the Iraqi's do it?
By the way, Iraq does not yet have codified laws, so how could they have found Saddam guilty of anything? Did they use American law? If so, it was not a legitimate trial.
Posted by: Thom | November 7, 2006 01:15 PM
I just read in the Israeli newspaper Haaretz, that some Palestinian groups are threatening to attack Americans, if Saddam Hussein is executed. Saddam is popular with the Palestinians because he gave money to the families of suicide bombers to rebuild their homes after they had been destroyed by Israel in retaliation for the attacks. More unforseen consequences.
Posted by: P. J. Casey | November 7, 2006 02:20 PM
I find it interesting that the vapid, abstract, and positive responses to this verdict were on the front page, while the criticisms, all based on legal jurisprudence and history are buried. Americans all know why the verdict is great for democracy - Bush preaches it all the time. doesn't the post have more of a responsibility to inform by using its formatting more responsibly?
Posted by: mwallin | November 7, 2006 03:51 PM
Jeff - don't forget my article which was printed by Asia Times Online, Middle East Online, Alarab, Counterpunch, Pravda, and many others. Having worked on the defense I can write with personal knowledge. By the way, the Asia Times is one of the most intellectual papers in the world, like a Harpers Magazine but with deadlines like a daily paper.
- Paul
Posted by: Paul Wolf | November 7, 2006 06:35 PM
Paul, I just read your article in Asia times and my mind has been blown away by it. Now I know that Saddam's trial is a complete farce. The real threat is G W.
Posted by: al | November 7, 2006 09:28 PM
Never mind Iraq and Sadam Hussein. Just read that Israel last night killed some 15 family members in Gaza. Only 2 things tosay about Israel, the "good" news and the "bad" news. Good news: Israel is absolutely insane and has fallen down the deep end. Bad news: It will only fall further.
Posted by: Anagadir | November 8, 2006 01:15 PM
It's a farce: a puppet regime set up by a lawless superpower that carried out an invasion that was sold to the public on the basis of lies and carried out in violation of international law now decrees that someone must die. And we are to believe that this is credible justice? Saddam Hussein did commit many crimes, and should have been judged by a competent, credible tribunal. Instead he has been judged by a kangaroo court set up by a U.S. puppet regime. And Iraqis are supposed to take this seriously? It's only an invitation for more civil war and more lawlessness. The Americans seem incapable of understanding that their adventure in Iraq lacks an essential ingredient: legitimacy. In the absence of such legitimacy (within Iraq or internationally), the situation there is only bound to get worse. We in the rest of the world must demand reparations from the U.S. so that a credible international force can have the financing it needs to go in and clean up the violent mess that America created there.
Posted by: Joao | November 8, 2006 01:32 PM
148 villagers killed by Sadam? WOW!
Under which laws prevailed?
Who would be surprised at the approval expressions of the Iranians online commentators and the U.S. led invasion in 2003?
It may soothe the pains of some Iranians and some Iraqis but it will not serve its main purpose. Why was Iraq attacked in the first place? First, to capture the strongman who builds weapons of mass destructions (as a result from 9/11. In self defense for the American people was it not right?
After a series of investigation and results from experts were presented that there was no weapon of mass destruction in Iraq, still an invasion was staged and carried on in Iraq.
After Sadam was captured and again, no weapons of mass destruction was found, now what?
He was sentenced to death for crimes in 1982 killing 148 innocent villagers?
So, finally Sadam is found guilty of tyranny and not because of building and concealing weapons of mass destruction!
It may send a strong message to dictators in other areas and regions, but around the world? Nations in the whole world is not even in comparison with Iraq even if they have tyrants!
I believe in self defense. But one cannot build by destroying what he believed was a national threat. It's not as easy as he thought it should be. We are talking about human lives here. (Not to mention the vast millions of dollars worth of money involved which could have been spent on progress and advancement instead, such as strengthening the military forces as main defense, & rebuilding what was already lost). The reality of losing more American lives by putting a death mask on the military men and the American people as a whole (who is fearing who)was more painful, and far more damaging.
Iraq became a killing field, and more innocent lives were taken on all sides.
So, who poses a threat here?
The Sadam verdict may prove justice prevailed to some; but it will not stop terrorism which should be the main pursuit.
It is a farce than justice; to camouflage the great blunder in Iraq?
Posted by: Ann | November 9, 2006 12:41 AM
The 64 dollar question: "Saddam's Trial: Farce or Justice?" Both. Obviously in that part of the world dead penalties are standard for such crimes. But also his trial and resulting dead sentence is politics - pushed by Bush. As Americans, we don't feel too bad about such a sentence - we do the same thing here (more-or-less).
Posted by: Chuck / Mississippi | November 13, 2006 10:13 AM
Invasion of a sovereign nation in the name of finding WMD and yet finding none is itself a violation of interntional law. Is Iraq a better place for its own people and the international comminity today than when it was under Saddam Hussein's rule? Honestly, the answer is no. In light of the chaos that is going in Iraq right now, how about invading North Korea which now touts its nuclear weapsons to the face of the United States? Isn't the North Korean leader guilty of worse human rights violations by starving purportedly millions of its own people to death rather than merely 148? The trial of a former head of state after an invasion and occupation of a sovereign state in violation of international law can only be a farce!
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Bible Verses About Acknowledging God
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Proverbs 3:5-6 - Trust in the LORD with all thine heart; and lean not unto thine own understanding. (Read More...)
Revelation 4:11 - Thou art worthy, O Lord, to receive glory and honour and power: for thou hast created all things, and for thy pleasure they are and were created.
Genesis 1:1-31 - In the beginning God created the heaven and the earth. (Read More...)
Romans 1:1-32 - Paul, a servant of Jesus Christ, called [to be] an apostle, separated unto the gospel of God, (Read More...)
Acts 10:1-48 - There was a certain man in Caesarea called Cornelius, a centurion of the band called the Italian [band], (Read More...)
Psalms 115:16 - The heaven, [even] the heavens, [are] the LORD'S: but the earth hath he given to the children of men.
Romans 1:28-31 - And even as they did not like to retain God in [their] knowledge, God gave them over to a reprobate mind, to do those things which are not convenient; (Read More...)
Genesis 1:3-31 - And God said, Let there be light: and there was light. (Read More...)
1 John 3:10 - In this the children of God are manifest, and the children of the devil: whosoever doeth not righteousness is not of God, neither he that loveth not his brother.
Hebrews 2:10 - For it became him, for whom [are] all things, and by whom [are] all things, in bringing many sons unto glory, to make the captain of their salvation perfect through sufferings.
Romans 1:20-22 - For the invisible things of him from the creation of the world are clearly seen, being understood by the things that are made, [even] his eternal power and Godhead; so that they are without excuse: (Read More...)
Jeremiah 23:14 - I have seen also in the prophets of Jerusalem an horrible thing: they commit adultery, and walk in lies: they strengthen also the hands of evildoers, that none doth return from his wickedness: they are all of them unto me as Sodom, and the inhabitants thereof as Gomorrah.
Isaiah 45:18 - For thus saith the LORD that created the heavens; God himself that formed the earth and made it; he hath established it, he created it not in vain, he formed it to be inhabited: I [am] the LORD; and [there is] none else.
Psalms 14:2 - The LORD looked down from heaven upon the children of men, to see if there were any that did understand, [and] seek God.
Psalms 14:1 - (To the chief Musician, [A Psalm] of David.) The fool hath said in his heart, [There is] no God. They are corrupt, they have done abominable works, [there is] none that doeth good.
Leviticus 18:22 - Thou shalt not lie with mankind, as with womankind: it [is] abomination.
Genesis 2:1-25 - Thus the heavens and the earth were finished, and all the host of them. (Read More...)
Genesis 1:26-27 - And God said, Let us make man in our image, after our likeness: and let them have dominion over the fish of the sea, and over the fowl of the air, and over the cattle, and over all the earth, and over every creeping thing that creepeth upon the earth. (Read More...)
Genesis 1:1-2 - In the beginning God created the heaven and the earth. (Read More...)
Jude 1:7 - Even as Sodom and Gomorrha, and the cities about them in like manner, giving themselves over to fornication, and going after strange flesh, are set forth for an example, suffering the vengeance of eternal fire.
2 Peter 2:4-10 - For if God spared not the angels that sinned, but cast [them] down to hell, and delivered [them] into chains of darkness, to be reserved unto judgment; (Read More...)
Titus 1:2 - In hope of eternal life, which God, that cannot lie, promised before the world began;
1 Timothy 1:8-11 - But we know that the law [is] good, if a man use it lawfully; (Read More...)
Galatians 3:28 - There is neither Jew nor Greek, there is neither bond nor free, there is neither male nor female: for ye are all one in Christ Jesus.
Galatians 2:15 - We [who are] Jews by nature, and not sinners of the Gentiles,
Galatians 2:14-20 - But when I saw that they walked not uprightly according to the truth of the gospel, I said unto Peter before [them] all, If thou, being a Jew, livest after the manner of Gentiles, and not as do the Jews, why compellest thou the Gentiles to live as do the Jews? (Read More...)
1 Corinthians 15:45 - And so it is written, The first man Adam was made a living soul; the last Adam [was made] a quickening spirit.
1 Corinthians 12:12-27 - For as the body is one, and hath many members, and all the members of that one body, being many, are one body: so also [is] Christ. (Read More...)
1 Corinthians 11:14-15 - Doth not even nature itself teach you, that, if a man have long hair, it is a shame unto him? (Read More...)
1 Corinthians 6:9-11 - Know ye not that the unrighteous shall not inherit the kingdom of God? Be not deceived: neither fornicators, nor idolaters, nor adulterers, nor effeminate, nor abusers of themselves with mankind, (Read More...)
Romans 1:26-27 - For this cause God gave them up unto vile affections: for even their women did change the natural use into that which is against nature: (Read More...)
Acts 10:47 - Can any man forbid water, that these should not be baptized, which have received the Holy Ghost as well as we?
Acts 10:45-46 - And they of the circumcision which believed were astonished, as many as came with Peter, because that on the Gentiles also was poured out the gift of the Holy Ghost. (Read More...)
Acts 10:28 - And he said unto them, Ye know how that it is an unlawful thing for a man that is a Jew to keep company, or come unto one of another nation; but God hath shewed me that I should not call any man common or unclean.
Acts 8:26-40 - And the angel of the Lord spake unto Philip, saying, Arise, and go toward the south unto the way that goeth down from Jerusalem unto Gaza, which is desert. (Read More...)
John 3:16 - For God so loved the world, that he gave his only begotten Son, that whosoever believeth in him should not perish, but have everlasting life.
John 3:15-16 - That whosoever believeth in him should not perish, but have eternal life. (Read More...)
John 3:1-36 - There was a man of the Pharisees, named Nicodemus, a ruler of the Jews: (Read More...)
John 1:12 - But as many as received him, to them gave he power to become the sons of God, [even] to them that believe on his name:
Luke 10:25-37 - And, behold, a certain lawyer stood up, and tempted him, saying, Master, what shall I do to inherit eternal life? (Read More...)
Luke 10:10-12 - But into whatsoever city ye enter, and they receive you not, go your ways out into the streets of the same, and say, (Read More...)
Luke 6:1-5 - And it came to pass on the second sabbath after the first, that he went through the corn fields; and his disciples plucked the ears of corn, and did eat, rubbing [them] in [their] hands. (Read More...)
Mark 2:27 - And he said unto them, The sabbath was made for man, and not man for the sabbath:
Mark 2:23-27 - And it came to pass, that he went through the corn fields on the sabbath day; and his disciples began, as they went, to pluck the ears of corn. (Read More...)
Matthew 12:7-8 - But if ye had known what [this] meaneth, I will have mercy, and not sacrifice, ye would not have condemned the guiltless. (Read More...)
Matthew 12:1-8 - At that time Jesus went on the sabbath day through the corn; and his disciples were an hungred, and began to pluck the ears of corn, and to eat. (Read More...)
Matthew 10:12-15 - And when ye come into an house, salute it. (Read More...)
Isaiah 14:12-15 - How art thou fallen from heaven, O Lucifer, son of the morning! [how] art thou cut down to the ground, which didst weaken the nations! (Read More...)
Isaiah 1:10-17 - Hear the word of the LORD, ye rulers of Sodom; give ear unto the law of our God, ye people of Gomorrah. (Read More...)
Psalms 104:30 - Thou sendest forth thy spirit, they are created: and thou renewest the face of the earth.
Psalms 93:1 - The LORD reigneth, he is clothed with majesty; the LORD is clothed with strength, [wherewith] he hath girded himself: the world also is stablished, that it cannot be moved.
Psalms 53:1 - (To the chief Musician upon Mahalath, Maschil, [A Psalm] of David.) The fool hath said in his heart, [There is] no God. Corrupt are they, and have done abominable iniquity: [there is] none that doeth good.
Psalms 23:1 - (A Psalm of David.) The LORD [is] my shepherd; I shall not want.
Judges 19:1-30 - And it came to pass in those days, when [there was] no king in Israel, that there was a certain Levite sojourning on the side of mount Ephraim, who took to him a concubine out of Bethlehemjudah. (Read More...)
Deuteronomy 23:17-18 - There shall be no whore of the daughters of Israel, nor a sodomite of the sons of Israel. (Read More...)
Leviticus 24:1-23 - And the LORD spake unto Moses, saying, (Read More...)
Leviticus 20:13 - If a man also lie with mankind, as he lieth with a woman, both of them have committed an abomination: they shall surely be put to death; their blood [shall be] upon them.
Exodus 20:1-26 - And God spake all these words, saying, (Read More...)
Genesis 19:1-38 - And there came two angels to Sodom at even; and Lot sat in the gate of Sodom: and Lot seeing [them] rose up to meet them; and he bowed himself with his face toward the ground; (Read More...)
Genesis 19:1-11 - And there came two angels to Sodom at even; and Lot sat in the gate of Sodom: and Lot seeing [them] rose up to meet them; and he bowed himself with his face toward the ground; (Read More...)
1 Peter 3:15 - But sanctify the Lord God in your hearts: and [be] ready always to [give] an answer to every man that asketh you a reason of the hope that is in you with meekness and fear:
Psalms 19:1 - (To the chief Musician, A Psalm of David.) The heavens declare the glory of God; and the firmament sheweth his handywork.
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Still, when emissaries from the AEC came to the elder Hayward and told him they wanted access to his land and would pay him $100 a month for the rest of his life, he initially said no. "I was afraid it would foul up the water, the one good thing we got, so I told him not to sign it," remembers Lee. "But my father was a gullible man."
Claude's grandson, Craig Hayward, was eighteen at the time. Now an accountant living in Boulder, he still has the contract his grandfather signed. People living around Rulison at the time "knew the square root of zip about radioactivity," Craig says. But "these fellas from the AEC came back around with a whiskey bottle and got him good and juiced up and said they would pay him $200 a month for the rest of his life. Well, even though my father had told him not to sign it, he did."
John Green, Kate Donithorne and Chester McQueary knew a little bit about radioactivity--enough, at least, to make them suspicious of plans to ignite a nuclear bomb in their backyard. So they became protesters, though not exactly the "long-haired hippie radicals" described at the time by the local papers.
The 32-year-old Donithorne was a conservatively coiffed mother of two small children. Green was 30, with three kids and a crewcut. Of the three, only the 35-year-old McQueary, a devoted member of the American Friends Service Committee, came close to fitting the newspapers' description.
There were few environmentalists in those days, but McQueary's interest in monitoring the government's nuclear program went back years. He had grown up in the town of Granby, and in his senior year of high school, in 1953, had taken a class trip to Nevada and Utah. One day when the class was on its way to St. George, Utah, McQueary says he witnessed a memorable incident: "These very polite men in white suits came on the bus and told us that if we wanted to drive to St. George, we could, but that we had to keep the windows up the entire time, and if we didn't want to agree to this, that we couldn't go. Then they insisted that it was perfectly safe and there was no danger to any humans."
It wasn't until years later that McQueary learned he and his classmates had stumbled across one of the most troubled nuclear experiments ever. It had the code name of "Harry" and later became known as "Dirty Harry" because of an unexpected wind shift that rained radioactive fallout on the town of St. George. So when McQueary learned of plans for another nuclear experiment sixteen years later, he and his fellow protesters decided to take action.
"Because of their 'deep concern' for human beings, they announced that they would not do any nuclear explosions if there were any people within five miles of the blast site," recalls McQueary. "We decided to hold them to their deal."
McQueary, Green, Donithorne, fellow protester Margaret Puhls and about a dozen other people figured they would sneak into the area near ground zero and set off smoke grenades so that officials would know there were people inside the five-mile buffer zone.
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I think we've almost reached a decision on a shower door company. One of the questions I have for them tomorrow is what options they have for the shower door handles. Their website lists that a 8" "C" shaped pull is standard, but it doesn't list any other options. If they don't have any other options, then I'm going to ask if I can supply the handles. I thought about changing them later, but this doesn't seem to be a standard size that I could just substitute out later. Our bath is very traditional and I would prefer something more traditional or, at the least, very simple vertical bars. I'm not finding much online and what I have found is $200+. I had no idea that shower door handles would be so expensive. Any suggestions for sources? Thanks! |
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I never liked those standard C pulls. So Ordinary. So we asked the glass company to drill a single hole instead of the usual two holes, and to keep their handle. (They didn't charge us extra since it actually cost them less.) What we did instead was to buy two fabulous cabinet pulls and a two-sided screw (headless) at the hardware store, then simply screw the handles in bast to base with a slice of wine cork in between for cushioning and to stabilize the screw. Looks SO MUCH better. (IMO) |
I'll have to try to look up the manufacturer, but the frameless door we ordered from our local glass store had the option of a range of door handles. We, too, wanted something more traditional, and found this one, which goes beautifully with the Grohe Somerset fixtures and Ginger Empire accessories in the bath. We love it -- will try to find the name, but I know that there was a board with a handle styles mounted on it that they had at the store. We just chose the one we wanted. |
sweeby - I'll discuss that with my husband. We are using glass knobs and pulls on the vanity, but I'm not sure if I would want to carry that look over to the shower door or not. I wonder though if I couldn't find a large drawer pull for much less than the shower door pulls though. ctlady - I really like your pull. This place is about $500 less than our other quotes. It seems they have a more limited selection and buy in quantity. He walked me through how we could use a standard door size to keep our costs down. I don't know why, but I just have a feeling they are going to have limited or no other options. |
- Posted by treasuretheday (My Page) on Thu, Feb 7, 13 at 22:31
Sweeby, I'd love to see a picture of what you did... it sounds cool! Hopefully KevinMP(sp?) will see this and post a picture and details of his shower door handle. He has a beautiful traditional bathroom with very handsome hardware, including a vertical shower door handle. I first saw our shower door handle at a local bath showroom and determined that it was made by U.S. Horizon/CRL. I asked my shower door fabricator to order it for me and he included it with no upcharge from their usual handle options. I love it for its sculptural shape. They like it also and ordered it in chrome for their showroom display. There's no need to settle for ordinary if that's not what you want! |
Kevin MP. I must admit, I saw your handle here first and I copied you. Lol. |
- Posted by millworkman (email@example.com) on Fri, Feb 8, 13 at 8:54
Remember , what ever you have done is permanent as Shower Doors must be tempered glass and any holes must be drilled before the glass is tempered! |
The Kohler pinstripe handle is fabulous. But, we are at the end of our reno and over budget so I don't think I could get my husband to agree to a $200 shower handle. |
- Posted by treasuretheday (My Page) on Fri, Feb 8, 13 at 11:15
I know how you feel. It's amazing how quickly it all adds up. I hope you'll post pictures of your completed bath... we love pictures! |
I was right that the options were kind of limited, but I did find one that I liked and it is more, but less than any of the ones I was looking at buying myself. I'm trying to attach a photo, but this is my first attempt so I hope it works. |
I think you ended up with a great choice! I love my shower door handle. It's definitely bigger and more substantial than a drawer pull -- and it's double sided. |
Sorry - don't have any photos. But ANY medium to large cabinet pull that is water resistant can work. I've done two so far - the first in ORB, and the second in crystal. The crystal pulls were a bit smaller and narrow at the base, so they needed back plates to look their best -- but in every case a whole heck of a lot less than $200. (Yikes!) |
- Posted by treasuretheday (My Page) on Sat, Feb 9, 13 at 22:52
TSG, I think that one looks great... very similar to the style of ShellKing's. Can't wait to see your finished pictures! |
ShellKing - Thanks for the picture. Much better seeing a real one installed. sweeby - Thanks for the information on using a cabinet pull. I'm sure I could save a little more money if we went that route, but I am going with the option they have for the sake of time. My husband did a lot of the work on this on nights and weekends and it has been dragging on since October. I really want to get back in my bedroom and bathroom as soon as possible. They came out for the measurements today and we should have it installed the middle of next week. Now I need to find a painter. We briefly discussed doing it ourselves but I loathe painting. We also want to do the adjacent master bedroom and another bedroom so we've decided to hire someone to get it all knocked out in a few days. We are in the home stretch, but I still feel like it may never end. |
- Posted by paul123-2010 (My Page) on Sun, Apr 28, 13 at 15:02
We have a few link to shower door handles of all shapes, sizes and finishes ranging from $20 to $300. |
Here is a link that might be useful: Hardware options
Here is what we selected. Contemporary square style. -Babka |
Here is a link that might be useful: 6 or 8
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Petersburg Ill Decr 8th 1865 Dear Sir Yours of the first inst is before me we are all well Except my Self my Eyes are more dim than usual & have been so for two or three weeks & besides that Some ten days ago I was attacked with the piles So that I have not ben abel to get about much though I think they are a little better (Dick Spears was married this day a week ago) I have made inquiry & find to a certenty that there never was a debating Society in New Salem during Lincoln time nor at any other time McHenry [1] & others Say it is also false as to his walking to vandalia when Elected to the legislature McHenry Sais it is also untrue as to Lincoln not attending to his law Suit that he never had but one Suit in Springfield & that was with Hiram Penny which you & Lincoln attended to & gained the case. it was in the circuit court before Judge Treat the papers in the case will Show you all about it McHenry Sais he gave you a full history of the Case [2] w you were here which is as follows Pennys wife was McHenrys oldest Sister. Penny [3] owned 242 acres of land in Sangamo Co on whiche lived had give Bob & John Erwin a deed of trust on it Penny failed to pay the deed of trust Erwin Sold the land on his deed of trust held it two or three offering Penny the chance to redeem it Penny failed to redeem & failed to pay rent as he had repetedly promised Erwin refused any longer time to Penny Penny then went to McHenry to get him to See Erwin & get further indulgence McHenry went to See Erwin & Erwin refused saying he had had more trouble with Penny than all the other Customers he had but Said he would let he McHenry have the land at cost interest & rent McHenry closed a contract for the land paying Erwin So mutch down the balance in three instalments McHenry returned told Penny what he had done & Penny was well pleased and then agreed with McHenry that if he McHenry would pay the next instalment he McHenry Should have the 160 acres & he would pay the two last instalments & McHenry Should let him have the 82 acres on which he penny lived thus it was agreed between the two McHenry had to pay all three of the instalments & then Suid for possession you & Lincoln his attorneys Stewart & Edwards attys for Penny There was a cabin on the 160 acres which McHenry mooved a family into & which Penny did not claim prior to the Suit Some time after the commencement of the Suit Lincoln got it in his head that the cabin was on the 82 acres on which Penny lived and told McHenry he must moove that family out of there McHenry said he Should not do it well Said Lincoln if you do not I Shall not attend to the Suit McHenry told him he did not care a dam whather he did or not that he Lincoln was not all the Lawyer there was in Town Lincoln Studied awhile & asked about the location of the cabin McHenry told him it was on the 160 acres to which Lincoln replied Mc you are right I will attend to the suit & did attend to it and gained it & that was all the harsh words that past & that the only Suit McHenry ever had in Springfield [4] Yours Truly Library of Congress: Herndon-Weik Collection. Manuscript Division. Library of Congress. Washington, D.C. 2396 97; Huntington Library: LN2408, 1:485 87
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Breakfast Topic: Emotes to improve cross faction communication {WoW}
Mar 3rd 2009 11:50AM Just last night, I was running through a cave in the Alterac Mountains (full of kobolds) and a gnome mage happened to be there at the same time. I'm a blood elf priest. After fighting separately for a bit, I started helping him out a little. He did the same in return. And I was grateful I did so after launching an assault on "the next mob in line for death" and then realizing he was an Elite several levels higher than me. Had that mage not been right there helping me out, I'd have gotten my head split open. As it was, we polished off the Elite in about ten seconds and completed the quest with ease. Pretty cool. I was bummed that we went our separate ways after that.
And it was cool that we showed our mutual appreciation with the occasional bow and LOL and wave. Good times.
Breakfast Topic: Why reroll? {WoW}
Mar 2nd 2009 12:39PM Heck, I'm just trying to get my first character, a Lvl37 priest, up to 80. (I just got into WoW in October.) At the rate I'm going, which has increased lately but is still slow, I figure I'll hit 80 this summer. At which time I'll roll a new DK so I can see what that's like.
It really bugs me that I don't have time to take all the races and all the way to the top. But there's just no way. I'd have to give up on real life entirely.
Breakfast Topic: The noob old days {WoW}
Mar 1st 2009 10:28AM This question assumes that we are not still n00bs. I'm almost certain that I am, and for proof of this I will admit that I only understand about 70% of this site. (For example, I don't know what "turn off ffa" means, as someone noted a few posts above mine.)
My "main" is a Lvl36 Shadow Priest. I've done zero instances and zero raids. I was surprised to discover two days ago that there are instances for chars who aren't lvl 70 or 80. Having discovered this, I still don't know where to find any of them. I know I can figure it out; just haven't done so yet.
I read lots of online resources, so I'm not completely 'tarded, but I think a fair amount of what I'm reading doesn't make sense until you actually play through the portion of the game that it references.
Me = n00b. But there's no helping it until I play more...
Guildwatch: Brother against brother {WoW}
Feb 25th 2009 12:19PM That's very encouraging. I certainly hope you're right, because raids and group play are among the things I'm most looking forward to once I'm all l33t and w00t.
By the way, if anyone needs a level 35 Shadow priest with mediocre gear and a cash flow problem, I'm your man.
Guildwatch: Brother against brother {WoW}
Feb 25th 2009 11:34AM Geez...reading all of this stuff is depressing. I'm relatively new to WOW and my first char is only Lvl35, so I have a ways to go before I'm even wanting to try raid content. But after reading all of this, it seems like I either need to have a solid guild - which probably won't work for me because I only play maybe an hour a day, if that - or I have to put up with ridiculous behavior from people who know way more about the game than I do.
I don't mind solo questing, but I've enjoyed the few times I've teamed up with other good PuG players. It's a bummer to think that my chances of taking a crack at, say, Naxx, and having fun doing it, are almost zero.
New Arena system: you suck more than you know {WoW}
Feb 4th 2009 1:46PM I haven't played Arenas yet either, but on the surface, the system seems reasonable. In other PVP games I've played, good players love nothing more than to boost their stats by playing and crushing the new guys, or the casual players. A system that rewards you fewer "points" for crushing a lousy player is fair.
The NBA analogy isn't right; I'd use more of an NCAA analogy. When Duke beats Missouri State, they don't get much of a boost in the RPI. When they beat North Carolina in Chapel Hill, now that's a boost. That system encourages the Dukes of the world to play the North Carolinas of the world.
Now, take an enormous grain of salt, because like I said, I have zero experience in Arena play. But, as a casual player, I personally am more interested in trying it if I don't get instantly crushed by hardcore players every time I give it a whirl.
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Jan 9th 2009 5:13PM Outstanding combination of James Brown and WoW. My hat, sir, is off to you.
Authentication server and official forums down [UPDATED x10] {WoW}
Jan 9th 2009 5:07PM I'm in St. Louis and I'm getting nothing. Blows.