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Loyalist Day
The celebration of the landing of the first group of Loyalists on 18 May 1783
(and the granting of the charter of the City of Saint John on 18 May 1785)
The celebrations will start on Sunday, 15 May with a Loyalist Church Parade at Trinity Anglican Church in Saint John. Participants, in period costume if desired, will gather at 10:15 a.m. at the front of the church (i.e. at the Germain Street entrance) in preparation for the 10:30 service.
The festivities on Wednesday, 18 May will get under way at 10:15 a.m. with a concert to be presented by St. Mary's Band at City Hall Plaza. This band has a history in Saint John stretching back more than 100 years and has participated in many Loyalist Day celebrations in the past.
This will be followed at 10:30 by welcoming remarks from the gathered dignitaries and the raising of the Canadian, New Brunswick and Queen Anne flags by the colour party and dignitaries.&nbps; The Mayor of Saint John will then invite all attendees to enjoy a piece of the City's birthday cake.
At noon the City will be honoured by a 21-gun salute by the 3rd Field Artillery (the Loyal Company).
We will bring the celebrations to a close with a reception and dinner to be held at the Union Club in Saint John. This historic location has been the site of many important meetings over the decades and is a wonderful place to commemorate the contributions made by our ancestors. The reception will start at 6:15 p.m. with a cash bar. Dinner will follow at 7:00 and then we'll be privileged to hear a presentation by noted architect John Leroux who will talk about �The Loyalist influence on Architecture�. You may reserve places at this event at a cost of $40 per person by contacting any of the persons listed below. I'd like to remind you that guests are very welcome. In fact, we would really like to open all these events to the largest possible audience. On a cautionary note, we really need to hear from you by 11 May at the latest - reservations requested after that date may be problematic.
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We look forward to seeing you at all these Loyalist Day events.
NBGS, Inc. Annual General Meeting
Saturday, May 28, 2011
Fredericton Inn
1315 Regent Street
Fredericton, NB
Schedule of Events:
Presentation on the Land Grant Registry by Mary-Ellen Badeau, Archivist PANB. The presentation will last approximately one hour. All members welcome.
Board of Directors meeting (thirty minutes)
Annual General Meeting. All members welcome. (Depending upon business brought forward, duration is 1 to 2 hours)
Saint John Fire Department Seeks Descendents of Fallen Firefighters
The Saint John Fire Department has been operating since 1786. To this day, the citizens of Saint John have been extremely supportive of their Fire Service. They recognize the risks that are inherent in the oldest incorporated city that is the most industrialized in eastern Canada, and has a vast land mass of 126 square miles.
The families of the City of Saint John�s fallen firefighters are being sought as the Canadian Fallen Firefighters Foundation prepares to unveil a new national monument in Ottawa in March 2012. The names of all fallen firefighters, since records have been kept in Canada, will be included on the memorial.
The fallen firefighters from Saint John are:
Robert Greer, May 24, 1874
George R. Parks, November 4, 1924
Robert B. Douglas, February 18, 1941
George McGowan, February 23, 1941
Lloyd J. Hayward, October 22, 1958
Frank O�Brien, March 15, 1970
Talmadge Loughery, October 25, 1970
Robert Belyea, December 27, 1983
The first service at the national memorial, which was designed by Canadian artist and author Douglas Coupland, will be held on September 11, 2012. In 2011, the Saint John Fire Department will be the host department for the annual memorial.
To contact the Saint John Fire Department, please call (506) 658-2910 or email email@example.com.
The Hatheway Trust
The Hatheway Trust April 28th Monument Committee, cordially invites the general public to attend the unveiling of the April 28th �Day of Mourning� Monument. The Monument is to honour all workers who have been killed or injured on the job.
The Ceremony will be held on the official �Day of Mourning,� Thursday, April 28th, 2011 at 12 noon.
The unveiling will take place outside the W. Franklin Hatheway Labour Exhibit Centre, 55 Lake Drive, Rockwood Park, Saint John, N.B.
Part of the �Day of Mourning� ceremony will be the laying of wreaths at the base of the Monument. Organizations or individuals are encouraged to participate. Anyone wishing to participate in this ceremony by laying a wreath in memory of a worker/workers killed on the job, please advise George Vair prior to April 25th at 672-1412 or by e-mail email@example.com
Following the ceremony, a reception sponsored by WorkSafeNB will be held inside the W. Franklin Hatheway Pavilion.
New Brunswick Genealogical Society Spring Seminar Series 2011
Three Saturday Mornings in April and May 2011 at the Provincial Archives of New Brunswick
23 Dineen Drive on the UNB Campus
Fredericton, NB
Saturday April 16, 2011, 10:00am to 12 noon
Introduction to Genealogical Research in New Brunswick
and New Brunswick Vital Statistic Records
Saturday April 30, 2011, 10:00am to 12 noon
Land Petitions, Land Grants, Land Registry and Maps
Saturday May 7, 2011, 10:00am to 12 noon
New Brunswick Church Records
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Research time in the afternoon
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Donations to the Associates of the Provincial Archives of New Brunswick will be accepted.
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Looking for information on William Godsoe, born 1774 in prob. Ipswitch, Essex, MA. Died 10 Feb 1830 in Saint John, NB. Buried in Loyalist Burial Ground, Saint John, NB. Occupation High Constable of the City of Saint John. Info had been in Saint John since 1765. He married Hulda Thomas born 10 May 1762 in Providence, RI who is also buried in Loyalist Burial Ground, Saint John, NB.
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A $100,000 reward is being offered by the Riverside County Board of Supervisors in the Feb. 4 slayings of a Nuevo woman and her daughter.
Maria Gonzalez, 51, and Connie Gonzalez, 25, were walking on Central Avenue near their home about 5 p.m. when they were fatally stabbed, Riverside County sheriff's officials said. Connie Gonzalez died at the scene and her mother was pronounced dead about an hour later at a hospital.
There were no eyewitnesses to the stabbing itself, but someone was able to give a description of a suspect who ran from the scene, said Lt. Evan Petersen. Sheriff's officials have released a composite sketch of the man.
He was described as Hispanic, 17 to 25 years old, 5-foot-6 to 5-foot-8, with a medium to thin build and very short hair, sheriff's officials said. He was wearing jeans and a dark-colored hooded jacket.
The Board of Supervisors on Wednesday, Feb. 13, approved the reward for information leading to the arrest and conviction of the person involved in the killings.
Supervisor Marion Ashley made the motion to offer the reward in what he described as a "brutal stabbing" that had set the neighborhood on edge. Ashley attended a community meeting about the slayings a few days after the women's deaths, which hundreds of concerned residents attended.
At this point, Petersen said Thursday, he could not say whether the women were killed by a stranger or someone they knew.
"We need good, focused direction," he said.
Authorities ask that anyone with information call Investigator Josh Button of the sheriff's Central Homicide Unit, 760-393-3531, or Investigator Steven Grassel of the sheriff's Hemet Station, 951-791-3405. Anonymous information can be submitted using the sheriff's Homicide Tipline form at www.riversidesheriff.org/tipline.
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- Conference date: 17–22 June 2012
- Location: Big Island, Hawaii
This recent solar minimum and the rise of solar cycle 24 in 2007-2011 have presented conditions on the solar surface that have made the existence of multiple streamers and low-to-mid latitude coronal holes a rule rather than the exception for this relatively low solar activity period. The result has been many contributions to the solar wind from a corona that appears more like the solar maximum corona from a magnetic field geometry standpoint, but at the same time generally lacks the increased heating associated with the emergence and evolution of the strong field active regions. We use the PFSS coronal field model to infer the distinctive characteristics of the recent weak solar minimum and early rising activity phase sources compared to previous stronger cycles at comparable phases. We then use the model to illustrate that these sources occur where the coronal holes are continually evolving with the surface flux via differential rotation and other convective and diffusive actions near the solar surface. The results suggest that not only does most of the ecliptic wind come from the lower latitude coronal holes and an irregular polar hole boundary, but that these regions are also routinely reconfiguring to keep up with the evolving surface field conditions-implying transients should make regular contributions to the ecliptic wind in this period . A picture of the location and evolution of the ecliptic mappings to this transient layer from 2007 to 2011 is constructed and potential observational consequences for future investigation are suggested.
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text: | Dáil Éireann - Volume 475 - 18 February, 1997 Written Answers. - Hospital Waiting Lists. Mr. Haughey Mr. Haughey 209 133. Mr. Haughey asked the Minister for Health his views regarding the length of waiting lists for both in-patient and out-patient services in Dublin hospitals and the long delays experienced by out-patients in particular when they finally present themselves at the appointed time; [209] the measures, if any, he is taking to improve the situation in hospitals generally; and if he will make a statement on the matter. [4273/97] Minister for Health (Mr. Noonan, Limerick East) Michael Noonan Minister for Health (Mr. Noonan, Limerick East): Improving equity of access to hospital services is a central element of the Government's approach to the development of the health services. Together with developments aimed at improving the range and level of medical and surgical services provided in each health board region, special measures to reduce waiting lists for treatment form an important element of the strategy to improve equity of access to hospital services. Since the waiting list initiative commenced in 1993, it has focused upon those areas of hospital treatment where long waiting times were causing the greatest hardship. Considerable progress has been made in reducing waiting lists for surgery in the target specialties over the last three years. When the waiting list initiative commenced in June 1993, there were 40,130 people on waiting lists for hospital treatment. Waiting list figures for the end of 1996 show that the total number of persons waiting for treatment at the end of 1996 has fallen to 25,959. This represents significant progress in the reduction of waiting lists and demonstrates the Government's concern to ensure that the necessary resources are provided to improve waiting times for treatment. I am happy to assure the House that special measures to reduce waiting lists will continue in 1997. The provision of special funding to reduce waiting times continues to be a priority for the Government and £4 million has been provided in the budget to continue progress in this area. This provision will bring to £8 million the total funding available in 1997 to address the problem of long waiting times for elective surgery. The funding provided in 1997 brings to £58 million the total resources committed to the reduction of hospital waiting lists since the current initiative commenced in 1993. My Department will be holding detailed discussions with health agencies in the coming weeks on the allocation of this funding. In relation to delays at out-patient departments, the Deputy will wish to know that the charter of rights for hospital patients stipulates that patients, on referral by their GP to hospital for an out-patient appointment, have the right to be given an individual appointment time. While the charter has no statutory basis, I am satisfied that its provisions are being implemented by most hospitals. The question of individual appointment times can be problematic for a number of reasons and delays can occur in out-patient departments where patients either fail to attend punctually or fail to notify hospitals when they are unable to attend. My Department is reviewing the effectiveness of the charter and this issue will be considered in the context of this review. Dáil Éireann 475 Written Answers. Hospital Waiting Lists. Questions 19970218 | ||||||||||||||||||||||


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US Dollar Rips Then Dips Following Fed Decision To Continue Twist
By DailyFX - 06/20/12 - 4:27 PM EDT
By Christopher Vecchio, Currency Analyst
UPDATE: US Dollar Rally Resumes Following Bernanke Testimony
EURUSD 5-min Chart: June 20, 2012
Charts Created using Marketscope – Prepared by Christopher Vecchio
Following Federal Reserve Chairman Ben Bernanke's testimony, the US Dollar has regained some of its losses (and lost gains), and is now the top performer on the day. The EURUSD, after rebounding to 1.2743, has since fallen back to 1.2657.
THE TAKEAWAY: Federal Open Market Committee Policy Meeting > Operation Twist Extended Through 2012 > No QE3 (yet) > AUDUSD, EURUSD Bearish ; USDJPY Bullish
The Federal Reserve's two-day policy meeting concluded today, and the first of the three major events surrounding the meeting has come across the wires. The Federal Reserve announced that it would keep its key interest rate on hold at 0.25 percent, as expected, but the big news was whether or not the Fed would choose to ease further. Indeed they have; but is it what the market wanted?
Instead of opting for a full-blow QE3 package, the Fed decided that it would instead extend Operation Twist. The extension, which will take place through the end of the year, will result in another $267 billion of purchases in the 6 to 30 year bond range, with those funds coming from sales of short tenor securities. As noted in our FOMC Preview , the Fed has just under $200 billion of short tenor securities left on its balance sheet.
EURUSD 1-min Chart: June 20, 2012
Charts Created using Marketscope – Prepared by Christopher Vecchio
In reaction to the announcement that no QE3 was coming along – just yet – the US Dollar strengthened across the board, as expected . The EURUSD dropped from 1.2690 ahead of the policy statement release to as low as 1.2636 in the minutes soon after; however, a flurry of comments from German Chancellor Angela Merkel suggesting that the EFSF/ESM could be used to help ease pressures in crisis-affected sovereign bond markets.
USDJPY 1-min Chart: June 20, 2012
Charts Created using Marketscope – Prepared by Christopher Vecchio
Unlike the EURUSD, the USDJPY rallied on the policy statement, and even after Chancellor Merkel's comments, the pair remained elevated. The USDJPY is perhaps one of the best "tells" of the QE3 trade, in the sense that both currencies are considered safe havens and track Treasury yields closely; by no indication has the USDJPY thus far indicated that market participants are pricing in a higher likelihood of more easing in the coming weeks.
Presented below without commentary are key excerpts from the Fed's policy statement:
On the economy:
- The economy has been expanding moderately this year.
- Growth in employment has slowed in recent months, and the unemployment rate remains elevated.
- Business fixed investment has continued to advance.
- Household spending appears to be rising at a somewhat slower pace than earlier in the year. Despite some signs of improvement, the housing sector remains depressed.
- Inflation has declined, mainly reflecting lower prices of crude oil and gasoline, and longer-term inflation expectations have remained stable.
- Economic growth to remain moderate over coming quarters and then to pick up very gradually.
- Consequently, the Committee anticipates that the unemployment rate will decline only slowly toward levels that it judges to be consistent with its dual mandate.
- Furthermore, strains in global financial markets continue to pose significant downside risks to the economic outlook.
- The Committee expects to maintain a highly accommodative stance for monetary policy.
- In particular, the Committee decided today to keep the target range for the federal funds rate at 0 to 1/4 percent and currently anticipates that economic conditions--including low rates of resource utilization and a subdued outlook for inflation over the medium run--are likely to warrant exceptionally low levels for the federal funds rate at least through late 2014.
- The Committee intends to purchase Treasury securities with remaining maturities of 6 years to 30 years at the current pace and to sell or redeem an equal amount of Treasury securities with remaining maturities of approximately 3 years or less.
- The Committee is maintaining its existing policy of reinvesting principal payments from its holdings of agency debt and agency mortgage-backed securities in agency mortgage-backed securities.
- The Committee is prepared to take further action as appropriate to promote a stronger economic recovery and sustained improvement in labor market conditions in a context of price stability.
DailyFX is the forex news and research arm of FXCM, Inc (NYSE: FXCM), which provides currency trading and brokerage services and is an advertiser on TheStreet websites. Any opinions, news, research, analyses, prices, or other information is provided as general market commentary, and does not constitute investment advice. Dailyfx will not accept liability for any loss or damage, including without limitation to, any loss of profit, which may arise directly or indirectly from use of or reliance on such information. Currency trading involves significant risk of loss. Individual authors may hold positions in the currencies discussed in the article.
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The Stanford University Press issued its Fall, 2014 catalog, which includes new titles in the "Stanford Briefs" series and a number of books available as e-books for purchase or rental. The two available rental periods, which have proven to be popular with the Press's customers, are for 14 or 60 days.
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The Wellness on Wheels Basic Yoga Class held at Green Library on Wednesdays, 5:15-6:05 pm has room for a few more people, and we will lose the class if we don't hit our minimum of 10 participants. The first class is Wednesday, Sept. 24.
Wednesday, September 17, 2014
The Hoover Institution Library & Archives are pleased to announce the launch of their new and updated website (http://www.hoover.org/library-archives). Offering more than one hundred pages of new content, the website better enables visitors to discover the six thousand archival collections and nearly one million library volumes held at Hoover.
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Presenters Josh Schneider and Daniel Hartwig from the University Archives will regale us with a rich visual tour of the library and have on hand select items from the Archives for attendees to explore.


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Wall Street's "huge and persistent" gender gap continues to befuddle the best laid plans for achieve something at least approximating gender equality in finance. We're supposedly far beyond the days of rank harassment and sexism, yet women continue to underperform–earning less, leaving more and less frequently rising to the top of their banks and brokerages–when compared to men. This continues despite of some truly incredible efforts on the parts of Wall Street institutions to recruit, retain and promote women.
"The most annoying thing about all of this is that it strikes against the idea of a meritocracy. We're always taught that if you work hard and have a good education, you can transcend everything. Why is progress at a standstill?" Heidi Moore of the Wall Street Journal asked recently.
After the jump, we explore the age old question: What do women want?
But the problem of the lack of women on Wall Street is hardly new. It was raised as part of a 1930 banking symposium, according to Time Magazine. "Last week the smart Plaza Trust Co., Manhattan, held a symposium on banking at which a speaker estimated that 41% of U. S. wealth belongs to women," Time reported. "Since many a woman prefers womanly advice. Wall Street brokers noted the figure with interest, wondered if the number of women in finance will increase."
The standard explanations are well-known. Persistent and perhaps subconscious discrimination, stigmatizing women with families, minimal family-leave policies and pressure from friends and family to be home more often are typically cited in discussion of the gender gap. More rarely raised–perhaps because just raising it can open you to discrimination lawsuits–is the possibility that the gender gap would persist regardless of outside impediments.
But two new studies of a similarly striking gender gap in the fields of math and science may have implications for Wall Street. The studies suggest that an important part of the explanation for the gender gap are the preferences of women themselves. "When it comes to certain math- and science-related jobs, substantial numbers of women – highly qualified for the work – stay out of those careers because they would simply rather do something else," an article by Elaine McArdle in the Boston Globe explains.
Could it be that many women who leave Wall Street–or decline to show up there in the first place–are simply doing other things because they want to? The studies don't focus on Wall Street but the findings are, at least, suggestive. Many jobs on Wall Street are heavily dependent on mathematical ability, and the same self-selection that operates in the sciences could operate in finance.
So is the progress of women on Wall Street hopeless. Perhaps not. The findings of another study–a broad survey of mathematically gifted girls and women–may suggest that women could excel in some fields on Wall Street–such as client relations at a prime brokerage desk and certain investment banking positions–that are more social.
Women who are mathematically gifted are more likely than men to have strong verbal abilities as well; men who excel in math, by contrast, don't do nearly as well in verbal skills. As a result, the career choices for math-precocious women are wider than for their male counterparts. They can become scientists, but can succeed just as well as lawyers or teachers. With this range of choice, their data show, highly qualified women may opt out of certain technical or scientific jobs simply because they can.
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It's a good question, women in greater proportions than men aren't suckers who get stuck working hard at finance careers for the rest of their lives. Many of them have the good sense to leave and get married, raise a family or pursue some other more pleasant and less time consuming career.
Why should men have to suffer in recruiting at the expense of quotas for women just because Wall Street firms want to be seen as employing diversity?
And don't tell me it's not the case. Anyone who has been involved in the hiring process at a major IB knows it's true. -
I'd gladly hire women who on their resumes included hobbies such as being spanked and wearing stilettos.
Better question is why should women suffer so that banks can meet their quota of meat-head frat boys who regenerate in banks year after year solely based on their brohiems gettin their backs, bro. -
I find this absurd. I would gladly hire a well-qualified woman for niche fields like advanced wardrobe research, crucial office and home maintenance, and beef/poultry/grain preparations. I find them particularly useful when trading in the A&P 500.
I was an engineer before going into finance so I am as quant as they come. I can run circles around any of the men in my class on this. but I hate the culture, the ol' and young'uns boys club feeling, the having to go to happy hour with the oafs, the kissing up, the impossible hours, the bitching and sniping amongst even the women, the looking down on the women who get pregnant and assuming they are out after maternity leave. The feeling that if you commit to anything else outside of work, you are not as serious about getting ahead. I like the comp. That's about it. Even the 'challenge' is not as challenging as they claim it is. You are here because it pays a lot. How long will that make the whole torture worthwhile? Not sure. But I sure as hell don't aspire to stick around long enough to be a 'veteran'. Those are sad sad women who can't even relate to any of the women analysts and associates.
When was the last time a woman was involved in establishing a firm on Wall Street? Personally, I haven't heard of many women starting hedge funds.
Maybe men are less risk adverse than women in general (one who by nature offers the majority of the care for the offspring would by design be more risk adverse to assure survival of the offspring).
Oh, and as for Heidi Moore's article, hard work doesn't count for shit. People are expected to work hard, especially when pulling down the compensation offered by a high level career in finance. 'Having a good education' doesn't count for shit, either. Aptitude, dedication, perseverance, an ability to handle failure, an understanding of risk and a shitload of luck is what it takes to succeed.
Being born into the lucky sperm club might get you into an Ivy League school and that might lead to a high level job in finance. One's buddies might be able to open doors or cover up screw-ups. However, but let's face it, those who were pumping money into sub prime and vaporizing hundreds of billions of investor wealth were, by and large, people who 'worked hard' and 'had a good education' but thankfully have been Darwinized out of the industry.
Let's see more women willing to risk their personal wealth and create opportunities to provide for themselves. We have seen plenty of men willing to do it. -
@9:22 "I like the comp". Doesn't that say it all? I think you're going to find that the alternatives are maybe 90% as bad, but pay maybe 60% of the comp. Looked at that way, its fine where you are. And a lot of your complaints have little to do with being female. We all feel that way. The trick is to fight to get some balance in your life, make sure your job is not 110% of your being.
9:22, you are dead-on the money. You said it all more succinctly than I will ever be able to. Just allow me to add, A lot of the corporate and "sales culture" (for lack of a better term) is "competition-centered." In other words, it's the male-domination-of-the-playground dynamic, played out in the world of finance where the score is kept in Dollars and the perqs of the Corp-suite. As competent and skilled as women may be (or become), this just isn't an attractive milieu for many (most) women, It just isn't satisfying or interesting enough. As to the point of "how much suffering can you take?" again, I would say that men's career paths are affected by the relatively fewer choices men tend to have in life. Regardless of whether a man decides to have a family or not, opting out of a career is very rarely an option for men as it is for women. Agreed, a woman who is a 20-year veteran of a Wall Street house is a sad thing to behold. It's a sacrifice for most women, whereas it's a natural linear progression for a man and a natural competitive environment for a man. Make sense?
Sure it does. -
@9:35 I'm going to take issue. The hedge experience you talk about ("risk personal wealth and create opportunities…") is like day trading but on a larger scale. Its rare and has a really high failure rate. So I would be careful recommending it. The more typical hedge fund model is not that different from traditional fund management: analysts, portfolio managers, risk control, compliance, etc.
9:22 – you hit it on the head. I am here for the comp. As to why women don't start hedge funds – well, it's because the people doling out the funds tend to look askance at women fund managers ("are they committed enough?" etc. etc.) and since raising money is half the battle, it seems kind of pointless – 3 years of low-to-no pay while you get a track record and HOPE someone gives you money.
My big problem is that despite my experience, etc. my opinion on investments is still questioned 3x as much as an equivalent guy. A guy recommends a stock, gives the bullet points, it gets bought. A woman recommends a stock, gives the bullet points, "let's wait and see what it does for a while before we do anything".
I don't think Wall Street is different from other industries (except perhaps nursing or other female-dominated fields). Just that the money is bigger. -
with regard to the numbers (I'll forego the race discussion b/c this is about the ladies), women do self select out. think about a) the percent of women in b-school and b) the percent of women studying finance. probably 2x that of women in banking. plenty of women get HIRED into analyst and associate classes but don't tend to stay past vp years. whether it's "lifestyle", "to have kids", or "fed up with the b/s", I've seen plenty of women leave while men seem to "tough it out" for the money (yes, it's about dollars). that said, I've known several women were managing directors (on the i-banking side, trading is different). as for the minimal maternity leave argument, I don't believe that holds water (pun intended). there was a woman (MD) I worked with who had two kids in three years. she must have worked 1/2 – 2/3 the year in each, yet she was still collecting a paycheck and bonus (not sure if it was pro-rated) while others around her were watching their backs for the hatchet-man. on the comp issue, wall street pay is the most transparent of any industry. if you're feeling underpaid, you can always go to the next shop (except, maybe in this market).
@9:39 A lot of women would cringe at your statement about them not being natural competitors. Very courageous. And politially incorrect.
The "new" studies cited in the Boston Globe article really don't say much about WHY women chose careers as they do. They sort of go to state the obvious, you chose the job that you prefer to do. And that applies to men also. Waste of ink.
There are many women who are highly competitive, very smart, well educated and take plenty of chances, calculated ones at that too.
Unfortunately it is people like you who feel that only because of gender a woman cannot perform, and therefore not given the opportunity. Intimidation? Perhaps! Ignorance? Absolutely!!! -
@9:49 – very easy to be courageous as a "guest" poster. at least those that provide screen names can be tracked.
Jeez, you treat em like a lady and they want to be treated like one of the boys…..So, you treat em like one of the boys and they sue the firm. Go figure.
@9:42 –
I posted 9:35. My point wasn't that all women need to strive to become glorified day traders. My point was that the metric for success being set forth was women working their way through bureaucratic organizations to achieve senior management levels. The question essentially is "Why haven't women been more successful navigating the bureaucratic mazes of Wall Street firms?"
Since when has success in high level finance been defined by managing bureaucracies? Women probably have a similar level of achievement on Wall Street (with respect to advancing through the corporate bullshit) as public college grads.
Darla Moore is about the last female I can think of who did it on Wall Street her way and blazed her own path. Maybe we should be asking "Why are women so willing to let men be the entrepreneurs and innovators when it comes to high level finance?" -
@9:52 I was saying courageous becuase my sense was that the poster was female. Courageous of her to admit this, even to herself.
I think the reason so many women don't "tough it out" as Cluzo says is because the vast amount of BS that has to be put up with. Yes every job sucks and has BS. That's why it's a job. But women in male dominated fields deal with easily 3x the BS. Nobody ever questions a man's competence in a female dominated field just because he has a penis. However women in finance are constantly doubted simply because they don't have a penis. And if anyone doubts the BS women face, look no further than this website. As soon as a female poster expresses a serious opinion, out come the posts re: her ovaries, underwear, and stupidity.
9:53 is there really that much entrepreneurship and innovation happening in finance? Or needing to happen? How about the names of some of the men, so I see where you're coming from here.
Agree with all the above, except of course the idiot @9:35, it's pure self selection/economic rationality. Deciding to pursue the top level of finance takes a certain kind of personality and a huge emotional drain on thsoe aroudn you, most women are just smart enough not to sign up for that when they have other options. Also, as said there is no better example of what not to do than senior women they meet early in their careers.
I think the advent of hedge funds and PE shops is changing things, just not on Wall Street. There now exist work environments in which women can genuinely aspire to "have it all". -
On the other hand women created this whole mess for themselves. If they didn't have a propensity to sleep with men who had more money, then there would be no wall street. Or at least no wall street as we know it. Most of human advancement or shit the advance of any species with two sexes, is the result of men one upping each other trying to get women to sleep with them. Over eons of evolution the ultimate result is a pot bellied 22 year old guy right out of college, staring at a screen with blood shot eyes going blind from reading 10Qs and going bald from the stress. Its your own fault women, you've made your bed now you have to lie in it.
P.S. are engineers really as quant as they come? Aren't like math majors or something quantier, just asking. -
The last point in the article (in italics) completely lacks merit. Take a look at the top scorers on the LSAT by undergraduate major — Math and Physics. Additionally, you will find correlation between males scoring high on SAT Verbal and Math sections. Obviously, we cannot use standardized tests alone to measure one's command of language as a tool. However, some (not all) enter non-quantitative disciplines because they can't keep up in their freshman calculus course, etc… The converse is not true (which becomes obvious when you exclude non-native english speakers from consideration). This arbitrary distinction between men and womens' quant/verbal dual capacities amounts to a female Boston Globe reporter's unsubstantiated boast that she 'could have been successful in either arena, but just chose to write.' A) I suspect not (judging from the logic lacking in her observations and logic) B) Her natural dual gifts aren't exclusive to women.
@9:52 – I get treated more or less like one of the boys but in a good way. I'm lucky to work with some awesome dudes. But you and I both know that treating a woman like one of the boys doesn't imply asking a woman how she "likes to take it" or if she's "a real slut in bed". Unless you treat your boys in a way that is vastly different from what I know to be the norm.
This is @9:39, in my defense, I didn't mean to say that women aren't equally tough competitors, merely stating that as a general preference, women tend not to be as interested in, or motivated by the competitive ethos, whereas it is inculcated in men from day 1 of their lives. Men tend to have much of their ego and their identity wrapped up in the competitive ethos, whereas women just find it stressful and boring.
It's just true.
It's not that women aren't capable of competing, of course they are, it's just that this kind of a career is perceived as a sacrifice by most normal women.
As for whether it's courageous to admit? I don't know. I just think it's wiser to align your path with the truth and with you true nature than to fight it for some outward appearance of "success."
There are women who are drawn to these kinds of careers and who are very successful at them. It's just that there are fewer of them, and there will always be fewer of them due to the nature of women. -
We are animals. Women want babies, a nest and a protector. We need to acknowledge our biological differences and stop worrying about/setting quotas etc. It is the biological equivalent of "fighting the tape."
I think we should wait until women are allowed to vote before deciding whether or not they should be allowed to play with money.
But it's really cute that they're trying… -
At 9:22, I couldn't make it past the first sentence. Others seem to think you makde a decent point, but the fact that you think that you are "as quant as they come" because you were an engineer is, well, laughable.
Unless you were an engineer who also happened to have a PhD in mathematics or the like.
I'm guessing not. -
The vast majority of men on Wall Street are not going to rise above the VPish level. They're just not. So, why do they stay? Well, any number of reasons, but I suspect in large part because it's a cushy job with good pay, a relative amount of security, and interesting people. For those who have a family and bills to pay, they don't necessarily have the flexibility to leave a situation like that.
Women, on the other hand, do have more of that flexibility, particularly if their husbands are guys like the one described above (for argument's sake, I'm using the married mother here, but I've got plenty to say about women in other age/domestic situations). And women have no trouble getting to that same VP-ish level as their husbands; that's not the hard part. But once they're there, they're not as stuck. Whether they leave to raise their kids, work in a non-profit, serve on boards, whatever – they can leave, and many of them take advantage of that opportunity. -
I just wanna say if some relatively cute, well-to-do woman needs a boy toy, you know where to find me.
If that makes me a 'kept man' than, well, I guess I'm ok with that.
F' working 80hrs/week till you're 50 -
good read on women in workforce
http://www.guardian.co.uk/world/2008/may/18/iceland -
Good for you, Anal_yst. If I come across a rich cougar, I'll point her in your direction.
well blondie you failed to address an interesting question that you yourself raised:
are you in fact a slut in bed?
i kid, girls can be whtever they want. the whole point of the feminist movement was to offer women the choice to work these kinds of jobs. from my experience, however, the ultimate goal of a woman isnt 'sucecss' in her field but rather 'success in life' via marrying well ($$), raising a nice family, and not getting too fat in the process. theres nothing wrong with that.
granted there are those alpha females that want to succeed whatever the price (see z. cruiz) – just like there are dudes that like to wear panties every wednesday. they exist, but they are the exception rather than the rule. -
With this kind of attitude towards women, I wonder how any of you get laid.
It might be right to admit boys that because of your own insecurities you feel the need to work in finance, and appear successful to compensate for your lack of self esteem.
Take away the crazy hours which lets admit it is mostly because you have nothing else to do, and as pathetic as that sounds you would rather be at the office and putting in hours, which are simply that and rarely that productive.
You boys may succeed in finance related jobs for whatever reason and I am not going to rehash whatever it has previously been said, because most of you are simply choosing to ignore it or lack the reading comprehension, but success comes in all kind of forms.
Women have just figured out what it is for them. If that might mean that you have to work a lifetime and earn the big paycheck while she is a stay at home mom, and creating a family, and spending all your money, and in a few years taking you for everything you are worth then, well who is the bigger winner now?
As it was quoted previously all it takes to succeed is aptitude, dedication, perseverance and ability to handle failure, an understanding of risk and shitload of luck. -
Throwing a topic like this to a group of rabid mysigonists isn't exactly cultivating anything akin to 'dialogue' or humor, so why bother Carney.
This, on the other hand, is rather interesting:
cheers -
Women on Wall St have the upper hand; most seem to not realize it or know how to use it. What guy wouldn't want to take orders from a put-together intelligent woman with a bangin' bod in heels and a skirt?
Learn to harness your power ladies…you'll definitely stand out in the pack of male 20 and 30 somethings who, for the most part, look act and dress exactly the same. -
More importantly, how do I add that magazine to my shopping cart and check out?
Excellent point KLW. Well put.
I don't know, girl, with the exception of a handful of mouth-breathers I've found the comments in this thread to be surprisingly reasonable and intelligent.
The major problem is that we've all gone down this road before, and I have yet to really hear anyone add a new point or perspective on this topic. -
Obviously physics and math PhD's are a different category but compared to 99% of Wall Street an engineer *is* as quant as they come. You can't compare math and science (or engineering) with finance. You really don't need to be all that good at math to be an investment banker, trader, compliance officer…whatever.
I have a MBA from a good school and an MS in math. My experience has been that engineers are much, much better at math than MBA's. There is no comparison.
Anyway, one possible reason women are under represented in finance than I haven't seen yet:
It is more difficult to manage work and family responsibilities when your career opportunities are centered in Manhattan. Yeah, if you really hit it big it's do-able with super expensive nannies and four million dollar apartments and expensive private schools (what are they running? 35k per kid?). But most people aren't in that league before they begin reproducing and they don't want to take the risk of staying in the rat race and ending up worn out and having a lifestyle that sucks compared to their sister who is a nurse in Atlanta. So they move out of the city and scale back. Commuting is OK with one working spouse, but two? That's tough. Unless your hours are a joke you will see your kids for maybe 45 minutes.
Women who are doctors, lawyers, architects, etc. have greater geographic flexibility and more opportunities to scale back work for several years mid-career. This is difficult to so with a finance career. -
I am one of the few that feel that the lack of women at the top is the result of subtle and not-so-subtle problems: (1) gender bias, including a hostile work environment (demeaning personal questions and jokes); and (2) the problem of child-bearing years occurring during a critical make-it-or-break period in a Wall Street career.
Comments on this site illustrate the prevalence of gender bias and the frequently hostile environment toward women.
The problem of child-bearing occurring during critical career years could be overcome by better child-care options; arrangements that wouldn't tax parents' natural and loving concern for their children. Money can't buy everything and individual unregulated child-care arrangements frequently have less than satisfactory outcomes. More flexible hours would help, too.
Women are more successful at moving toward the top in law and academia. Something must be working in these fields that isn't working on Wall Street. -
I have to agree with GG. Most civilized discussion in a while.
MBA's are stupid, obviously most people with an MBA aren't good at math. How many MBA's work at Renaissance? The issue at hand is who is "as quant as they come"… don't get your panties in a bunch MBAs i'm not talking about you personally i'm talking about all the other stupid MBAs.
@10:30 that's right, and this is why the Silda Spitzers of the world don't get to complain when their man is getting a rusty trombone in the port authority bus terminal bath room, at 8:37pm, tonight, from a woman that may or may not have testicles…. alas i digress -
I think #2 holds way more water, personally. The timing for children is, unfortunately, right at that sweet spot where many women are at a tipping point in their careers. And there's really not TOO much which can be done to amend that, unfortunately. Flex hours and all that would work, but it's just difficult to hop on the fast track if you're only in the office three days a week.
I'm sure many, many people out there have felt #1 (I am not among them – I could not work in a less hostile environment, and I think that's a credit to the company I work for as they really don't suffer fools lightly in that regard) and I don't wish to sound uncaring, but I can't help but feel that some women are a combination of overly sensitive yet unwilling to assert themselves and speak up. Those just aren't qualities that are going to get you to the corner office. -
someone doesn't have an MBA…. And is probably getting some shit for the lack thereof….
@10:53, I agree. I've worked with Math majors who obsess about writing white papers and engineers who know just about every numerical method to approximate the unsolvable. I've even worked with a Math PhD who had trouble learning Excel after years of Matlab.
I'll take someone who can approximately solve Navier-Stokes over someone who can talk about differentiable manifolds any day.
Having said all that, I have an MS in Stats and prefer that over both. -
Have our standards fallen so far that banking, which in most cases requires nothing more than simple calculation, is considered a quantitative discipline? You may as well call marketing or advertising or HR quantitative.
@10:53 wall street is a hostile environment for everyone? First of all there's nothing that says women have to have children. and any man who spent that same amount of time with their children would get grief at work.
Also is there anyone on this site who hasn't been demeaned or harassed or ridiculed at some point? When men create a hostile work environment for women its sexual harassment, but when they create hostile work environment for other men its just tough nuggies? How is that?
And yes, obviously wall street is a magnet for those who overcompensate for their insecurities by accumulation of wealth. UHHH so what? -
@GG – I would agree that some women are definitely oversensitive. In finance you have to know what you are walking into as a woman. The key is to grow a thick skin and let it roll off the back. The truth is that outside the occasional dirty joke here and there, men that are making degrading or insulting comments are bullies or impotent jerks that feel threatened by a smart, powerful woman. Otherwise, it's just boys being boys.
Maybe we can get the dumbest mother fucker on the business tube to address this on the air. Yes, indeed, we are talking about the on air editor financial genius and male chauvanist pig Gasbagarino. I mean he added so much value with his fagot story at SAC. If he can string two sentences together without too many grammatical errors, this might be right up his alley.
I dunno, I think working for a woman sounds like a nightmare. All of the ones I have met who are in supervisory roles in finance act as if they have something to prove constantly go the extra mile to make subordinates miserable.
Maybe we can get the dumbest mother fucker on the business tube to address this on the air. Yes, indeed, we are talking about the on air editor financial genius and male chauvanist pig Gasbagarino. I mean he added so much value with his fagot story at SAC. If he can string two sentences together without too many grammatical errors, this might be right up his alley.
@KLW, well said.
"Is the culture of Wall Street predominantly male because men thrive in that environment, or did men create an environment in which they were more likely to thrive?
Isn't it maybe just a little too unbelievably convenient that "the way things are" is exactly the same as "the way you want things to be"?"
I wonder if wall street/law wtc. are the way they are just because they are the way they are. I seem to recall (but this could be wrong…) that the modern medical residency/internship schedule arouse largely because it was how the senior doctors at John Hopkins liked to work, and it spread from there. -
@11:25 – You know, I actually hate working with women myself. And I hate that I hate it.
I dont mind the chicks I work with it. Its the fags and transvestites that bother me.
@gg I know many colleagues, male and female, who feel that way, it's pretty strange phenomenon, like I never hear anyone say "I hate working for men" or "I hate working from Indians" (well, only once). But I do NOT know anyone who has actually quit over it at least.
@ goldengirl:
don't you find that its always the most competent people that others hate to work for. They're always all over you, catching your bullshit little errors that don't really matter and being a general pain in the ass. if a woman is in banking and she's not like that, then it seems to me she'd be leaving herself wide upon for her competence to be questioned. I don't even think that's a matter of sexism just a matter of your rivals being willing to use whatever they can against you. -
@11:12 – why even dignify the comment with a response? just ignore it and move on…"not everyone can get into business school", true statement. "all mba's a stupid", silly rant without merit.
@gg and bb – definitely have to have thick skin. there are guys in the bullpen that say much worse stuff to other guys (forget about ovaries and the like). in fact, I've seen an analyst on the verge of tears (and yes, he was harassed for that) during one of the many "sessions". so it's not just a hostile work environment for women. -
Agreed. -
Agreed. (–11:35) -
Let me clarify – I don't like working FOR women. I work with two perfectly delightful female colleagues. And I've only had to work for one woman, really, since I've been here, so she might have just been a lemon. But I just don't like that passive-aggressive style that some women sometimes display. I'd much rather just get yelled at.
Anyway! Back on topic. Remember that article about the toughest math class at MIT? And how there was only like one girl in the class in a span of five years? That was incredibly interesting to me, because that's a class that you choose to take. Why didn't more girls choose to take it? -
I'm in a unique situation that many of the managers in my group (my own included) are female. There are some with which I relish any opportunity to work with and some that I avoid like the plague. I think the difference is some feel the need to show everyone how smart they are by being bossy and "bitchy" while others already know they have the goods and display it through their outstanding track record.
@Cluzo – I don't doubt it. There are assholes everywhere. I'm sure the tears made it worse, poor thing. But I was just assuming that in general, the nature of the bullying would be different. -
Is there anyone who likes working for Indians? In my experience, they have an overly high opinion of themselves and use every possible opportunity to take credit for other people's hard work. And think that no one else has noticed. Kind of like Jews.
I think most men in finance if they had the option would chose to marry and investment banker rather than being an investment banker. Women have this options, as said earlier, and so the ones that have any brains get out while the getting is good. Look at girl, she'll soon have 1-2 locked down, they'll move back to chicago and she'll be pumping out babies in winnetka in no time. -
As long as women use tits, ass and legs to get ahead, all the while claiming that "what's between their ears is more important than what's between their thighs" and then still flaunt those assets upon advancement, they can in general never be taken seriously in the executive suite. I say in general because there are exceptions.
Women often discredit themselves by their own actions. Look at all that shit coverage yesterday of Erin at LEH. "Fashion Plate"? Why should that even be an issue? Why?…Because she makes it one.
Women can go to all the B-schools they want. They can go to all the IV-League schools they want. Until they change their fundamental nature, they will never be completely equal to men in business. Quotas and all that other bullshit nothwithstanding.
The fundamental nature of women is immutable. It will not change. They are what they are, and we are what we are. That is what makes the world go around.
This "Women and the glass ceiling" crap will just continue to drone on.
The Guy from Delaware -
Since when does moving up in banking have anything to do wit brains? if it was based on brains then this would be a totally different story. I think you're thinking of tenure at Columbia or NYU or some shit. Though I hear getting tenure is a clusterfuck too.
Interesting how no one has pointed out the obvious here (maybe thats why?), but this largely has alot to do with how people were raised and brought up in their formative years, life experiences, yada yadda yadda…
I'm inclined to suspect the more mysoginistic likely had sexist fathers/role models, with no one or nothing to balance that influence out, unfortunately. -
type A's are made for wall street, gender shouldnt be an issue. there just isnt an excuse for sexism but majority rules in any situation so stupid idiots with big egos bully in the pit or the playground. whoever can handle the job should do it – meritocracy can rule.
Have a look at The Glass Hammer dot com. we try and give women some good advice, as not many have mentors or friends in the industry of either sex who are giving them the advice they need. if you are a women – check it out. if you are a men, hey it may be useful for you too.
everyone is different. some women want to pursue other careers, same as some men want to do other things too. just be happy. jobs can be all consuming , make sure you like it
on a positive note- there are lots of women on the buyside. -
I'd like to raise a side topic related to these discussions: the impact of maternity leave on the organization
My experience has been that 80% (4 of 5) of the young women who worked for me that got pregnant did not return to work after their maternity leave. I was not allowed to replace or even interview potential replacements until after these women officially quit, which none of them did until the last day of their leave. This meant that I have been short a person for 3-6 months on average, depending on how long it took me to find a replacement.
I honestly have no idea when each of these people made their decisions (either before or after the birth, or possibly even on the last day leave, when the reality of returning to work hit them), but motives aside, are the current rules and regulations actually hurting us all here? If a woman decides not to work after having a child, shouldn't that decision be supported and shouldn't the incentive model be biased in favor that decision being public and actionable as quickly as possible so that the impact on the rest of the firm is minimized -
type A's are made for wall street, gender shouldnt be an issue. there just isnt an excuse for sexism but majority rules in any situation so stupid idiots with big egos bully in the pit or the playground. whoever can handle the job should do it – meritocracy can rule.
Have a look at The Glass Hammer dot com. we try and give women some good advice, as not many have mentors or friends in the industry of either sex who are giving them the advice they need. if you are a women – check it out. if you are a men, hey it may be useful for you too.
everyone is different. some women want to pursue other careers, same as some men want to do other things too. just be happy. jobs can be all consuming , make sure you like it
on a positive note- there are lots of women on the buyside. -
type A's are made for wall street, gender shouldnt be an issue. there just isnt an excuse for sexism but majority rules in any situation so stupid idiots with big egos bully in the pit or the playground. whoever can handle the job should do it – meritocracy can rule.
Have a look at The Glass Hammer dot com. we try and give women some good advice, as not many have mentors or friends in the industry of either sex who are giving them the advice they need. if you are a women – check it out. if you are a men, hey it may be useful for you too.
everyone is different. some women want to pursue other careers, same as some men want to do other things too. just be happy. jobs can be all consuming , make sure you like it
on a positive note- there are lots of women on the buyside. -
Is DB trying to poll what percentage of their readers are female with this kind of articles?
It was fun for a while, now it is simply a waste of time.
There is enough discrimination in Wall Street I don't need to hear it from a blogster too.
If I am competent, and I can make you more money than the next guy/ girl, does it really matter what gender, what age, what ethnicity or religion I am?
If your answer is yes, then well…someone's loss is someone elses gain. -
Hey, "Type A", "Glass Hammer" dude. Please don't post for a 4th time. We read it already.
"ladies…harness your power…."
Isn't that what chastity belts were used for? -
At least most of you haven't been mistaken for a secretary because you fit the Hispanic demographic of the majority of secretaries on your floor. Damn couriers.
the return of KLW just made my day
The fact is that women ARE diferent and hence equal career outcomes are impossible. From an empirical sample of people I know from tops schools and at fairly high profile jobs, 'most' women tend to prioritize family and work-life balance more than men do.
Note I said 'most' not 'all' so ladies, keep the flames to yourself. I personally work with a few who are so hyper-motivated that they do manage to scare others around them but on average, women are less likely than men to slave away at some job that they may / may not like for professional advancement / money / fame / bragging rights.
It is not surprise then that women totally dominate jobs like PR etc.
And if we are looking for forced equality everywhere, then why start with Wall Street? Why do I not see women who are movers, delivery personnel, security guards etc? If true equality is what we are aiming for then maybe we should do it across the board! -
Old news. Does this
add anything useful to the discussion?
Probably not, but ya gotta love Cake lyrics.
Ha, one year to the day ago. A shortage of bankers. Nice TED, what'd you do, travel back in time and post this just to taunt us?
You forgot the mention the women combat soldiers in Iraq and in Afganistan. They have been shot-up, blown-up, killed, and otherwise destroyed equally with men.
All are equal there.
The Guy from Delaware -
People don't like to be bothered thinking about combat soldiers in Iraq. It reminds them how stupid they were to vote for Bush.
who cares? women should be at home, raising kids, going to church and having a nice dinner ready when their hubby gets home. All this talk of working is silly, unless the women is either a lesbo or cant meet guys in bars or frat parties.
I once slipped the salami into this Colombian mami after a client meeting and she screamed like a stuck pig. I sent her home and that was that.
(And no self-respecting man lives in Scardale. If you cant afford Greenwich, you simply must work harder or embezzle.) -
I can't really follow this erudite discussion, because variations on the phrase "huge and persistent" keep running through my mind.
girl, it was a surprisingly insightful series of comments to follow the article, even though the article took the low road with the worn out playboy pic.
Old-school Wall Street guys were generally going to treat women differently than men in a IB environment, but most newer people in the industry are generally not (but might still be very sex-crazed on DB and even at work).
Having lived in the midwest and just visiting a rural area in Canada, I understand there are many intelligent and modern women who choose tradition roles by choice. Women who marry and expect to have a family early (under 30), etc. Some who have been on the Street start to feel totally emotionally drained in Wall Street and exit for something a bit more rewarding on a social level. Sometimes you discover this after an experience that shows how your coworkers can sometimes be not very interesting or well-rounded people, or have a bad work experience.
I have discovered the male/female dynamics that sometimes are at play can be observed in The Office, obviously overplayed but still making a point sometimes. Note the sexual tension, respect shown or not shown, etc.
Just my 2cents
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From WSJ today.
On the Job: Are Women Getting What Women Want?
Conventional wisdom says women and men want different things out of their jobs. But a new study of nearly 8,000 leaders globally by Catalyst and Families and Work Institute says that's not true — women want the same things as men, they just don't get them.
The stereotypes say that women prioritize things like flexibility and co-worker relationships, while men value pay and challenge. But when researchers ranked men's and women's values in order of importance, they found nearly identical rankings.
Men's top six, in order:
– Having a supportive work environment (tied for first)
– Having a challenging job (tied for first)
– Being well compensated
– Having a good fit between life on and off the job
– Having the opportunity for high achievement
– Working at a company that has high values
Women's top six, in order:
– Having a supportive work environment
– Having a challenging job
– Having a good fit between life on and off the job
– Being well compensated
– Working at a company that has high values
– Having the opportunity for high achievement
And here's the clincher: When men and women were asked to what extent their jobs delivered these values, responses differed by gender. Men were more likely to be getting what they wanted; women weren't. Men for instance were more likely to be in jobs they found challenging, and to say they had a good fit between their life "on and off the job."
One possible clue to the latter: More men have full-time help at home. Just over half of surveyed male senior leaders had a non-employed spouse or partner, while only 18% of women senior leaders did. Among so-called pipeline leaders, 28% of men had non-employed spouses while only 4% of women did. -
Wow@ What deep thoughts. You all having a slow day? Get out there an make some $$$, and stop obsessing……
MGR @ 5:03, what is the point that you are trying to make?
Of course men and women would want the same thing 'ON THE JOB.' The issue being discussed here is that there are OFF the job needs which get slotted in variously for men vs women.
Who on earth doesnt want a better paying, challenging job with good work-life balance? The qestion is – do men adress the career-family trade-off difference differently than women? Empirical evidence would say yes, and your survey here proves jack because it doesn't even address that issue. -
I think MGR @ 5/21 5:03pm made some interesting and relevant points. I've been thinking about the many thoughtful replies on this thread, and they have influenced my thinking.
I think the tough housing situation for families, requiring many people with children to become commuters; the lack of options for child-care (we're basically relying on an underpaid immigrant workforce who may not have legal working papers to care for very young children, and for children who are sick, there are no alternatives at all); and the pyrimidical structure of financial firms and their concentration in New York City, have all contributed to make working through child-bearing years uniquely difficult for women in finance.
I heard far more goodwill towards working women than I expected to hear, which heartened me.
Obviously, there are negative attitudes to overcome, and very real practical difficulties. But there doesn't seem to be a carved in stone resistance to change. No more conclusions at this time. Still thinking it all over.
Thanks to the people who wrote thoughtful comments. -
One quick question- did men or women prefer anal in your study?
Women in finance:
I'd give her my job if she'd do it sitting on my lap LOL -
ok folks, so women in finance are OVER. okay? OVER. Get over it too.
Women are just as competitive as men are, they just aren't as obnoxious. I think women are smarter than men to avoid careers in IB etc. Women would like to enjoy life, their families, and their children. Their career isn't what "makes them (a man)" and definitely aren't defined or slaves of their jobs. My father is a businessman and worked 16 hour days for 30+ years, I know what that does to a person and a family. As alluring as the business is, it's just not worth it.
Nice to see not much (excuse me, nothing) has changed. Just "retired" in Jan from sixteen years in the bulgiest of bulge brackets as, yes, a VP (alas, could not suck enough dick to make it to MD/Partner), and it's both funny and pathetic that the little boys who are coming up behave no differently from the old-timers. Proving once again the old adage that money in no way equals class. Misogyny comes from men who are the MOST insecure about themselves and their abilities (in the bedroom and on the trading floor). Same kind of guy that says he'd "give her my job if she'd do it sitting on my lap" is no different from the kind of meathead that slaps around his girl. What else are they good for??? Where's my turkey pot pie??!
But what's worse at these firms w/ their HR bullshit and quotas is that once these women are there, they are left to twist. MDs may not make direct, inappropriate comments (by then they've learned to keep their biases under wraps), but they systematically freeze the women in their organizations out. And when MDs are called on it, they circle the wagons and force out the knowing few.
And if by chance a woman DOES rise, it's usually because she's become a bigger prick than the men she works with. Never sees her family (if there is one). Throws people under the bus to get ahead. Lies, cheats, whatever it takes to move up. Power hungry for the sake of, well, Power. So, yeah, as a woman without that goal (become major douchebag, screw over friends, clients and colleagues to get ahead, etc), I'd say that it still sucks for women on the Street. Not because the women who start in the biz are not good at what they do, but maybe because the decent ones won't compromise their values for advancement. And after a certain number of humiliations and years of passive harassment, they just stop trying to fit in with those same douchebags.
I was pretty great at my job until I realized succeeding at my job had nothing to do with my actual skill, but everything to do with fitting into a place that didn't want people like me. Tough realization but better to do it than to live in denial.
But, honestly, thanks again for proving how unwanted even talented women are in this business. It's good to know I'm not missing anything! -
I am a woman and I agree with the Guy from Delaware. I have worked in investment banking and in the hedge fund industry and unfortunately there are SO many women out there who come across as bimbos. Of course because the majority of the women are like that, the minority that are intelligent are not taken seriously. You really cannot blame the men.
It's not the men who see women as a piece of meat who sabotage a woman's career but women sabotage themselves. This is not only true for the business environment but also in personal life. Nowadays women claim to be more independent and intelligent but unfortunately women act more stupid, desperate and needy than ever. Then they talk about how bad men treat them. And the men are laughing all the way to the bank. All the women who claim that men treat them badly deserve that kind of behavior cause they bring it on themselves with their screwed up behavior. -
To: guest, May 24, 2008, 5:43am.
1. I like your reasoning that you "really cannot blame the men" for sex discrimination. Not. Actually, negative attitudes about the role of women permeate society as a whole, and some women share them. You might be one of them. Right now, men are in charge in the world of finance. If we don't make the people who are in charge accountable for perpetuating gender bias, who is accountable? Actually, the law, back in 1965, made people in charge accountable for practices that resulted in sex discrimination in their work-places. If someone doesn't want to be responsible for making sure his organization acts in compliance with well-established American law, he shouldn't take that plum leadership job.
2. Young women are usually better-looking than older women, just like young men are usually better-looking than older men. Who would want the young to forego their natural joie de vivre? A woman who is young, pretty, and vivacious is not inviting men to devalue her, just as she is not inviting men to rape her. She may be a target for unwanted attention, but that's powered by the laws of physical attraction, not her individual will.
It's the responsibity of men to fully respect the human boundaries of a female colleague, like they would of a male colleague. Women are not in the work-place for the psychological or physical pleasure of men. They are there to earn a paycheck. If a woman's presence adds incidental pleasure to the work experience of their male colleagues, that's not harmful to anyone, as long as the men are not distracting the woman or others by exhibiting overly aggressive or courting behavior that belongs outside of work. If a man acts like he is in a bar and not a place of work, that's his problem, not the woman's.
3. The vast majority of women who are in abusive relationships (pyschological or physical) are not the abuser. Such a woman may not see the psychological pattern that brought her to such a relationship, but she still is not the abuser. Cops encounter tangled relationships among criminals all the time, and have to make judgments about who to arrest and charge and who to let go. Thus, someone who has harmed a victim who may not have used the best judgment, or who may be downright unsympathetic, is still prosecuted.
4. We all have to make judgments about what is best for our futures versus what is second-best all the time. If you do nothing but rationalize the status quo ("the women out there come across as bimbos," "the minority that are intelligent are not taken seriously," and "you really cannot blame the men"), you are not moving ahead, or even staying in place, because the world changes without your participation. -
Although average intelligence among men and women is very similar, there are more men in the high tail of the I.Q. Bell Curve (and at the low end). May not be politically incorrect, but that is what the research shows.
I am a female whose mathematical aptitude ranks in the 99 percentile, but I don't work on Wall Street. Finance does not strike me as a discipline that requires higher math skills, not in the way the hard sciences do.
I've been a professional athlete most of my life, and love to compete. Wall Street seems more about a high competitive drive than advanced math ability. Only a few women are that competitive, or obsessive.
To approach the Wall St. question form another (slightly tongue in cheek) angle, what is the ratio of males to females among compulsive gamblers? -
do you competitive smart chicks take it in the butt?
Rumblings out this weekend from within LEH.
JoeG is not happy with Erin. Somebody has to take the hit for last week's debacle and for that $500 Mil bogus-accounting bit in March.
I'm thinking that my services may soon be needed there.
The Hatchet Man -
I hear that the new "golf" on Wall Street is Lacrosse. The boys club recruits from their alma mater's sports teams. So much for science and math knowledge-just wave a big stick.
The Hatchet Man, 5/25, 12:37pm. You take such evident enjoyment in your work!
9:53, yes. Definitely yes. The more hard-ass they act, the more they love it.
Speaking from experience. -
Men may run the world of finance, but they also pay professional BDSM mistresses located in "dungeons convenient to Wall Street," to bend them over to take it in the A with a strap-on. Do they do this because they feel guilty waving their big sticks over their desks all day long while leering over their PAs? Or is it because they just flat-out hate their lives?
Summer is here. Currently recruiting female interns preferably from non-Ivy institutions. Raises guaranteed after which you can quickly climb to the top.
The bullet proof "Glass Ceiling" could not be more PLAINLY reinforced than by taking my TAX dollars to pay (what looks like only) MEN for their patently clubby malfeasance.


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Baltimore, Maryland - U.S. District Judge J. Frederick Motz sentenced Andrew Rosenfeld, age 39, of Ellicott City, Maryland, today to one year and a day followed by five years of supervised release for conspiracy to commit bank fraud. Judge Motz also ordered that Rosenfeld pay restitution of $226,000.
The sentence was announced by United States Attorney for the District of Maryland Rod J. Rosenstein; Special Agent in Charge Richard A. McFeely of the Federal Bureau of Investigation; and Chief James W. Johnson of the Baltimore County Police Department.
According to Rosenfeld's plea agreement, from June 2008 to January 2009, Rosenfeld was a vice president client service manager at Wells Fargo Bank. The bank acted as a trustee for collateralized debt obligation (CDO) clients and was responsible for using money generated by the CDOs to pay invoices for its CDO clients. Rosenfeld supervised one of three teams of bank employees who executed wire transfers on behalf of CDO clients. To pay a client's invoice, a member of Rosenfeld's team would fill out a wire instruction, and submit the invoice and wire instruction to Rosenfeld or another supervisor for approval. Once approved, the wire transfer was executed to pay the invoice.
Beginning in June 2008, Rosenfeld and another bank employee involved in the scheme created false invoices to funnel money to themselves. Sometimes Rosenfeld submitted a false invoice to an unwitting member of his team causing a fraudulent wire transfer to be processed, which Rosenfeld would approve. The other employee also personally processed fraudulent wire transfers and submitted them to another unwitting supervisor to approve. Rosenfeld and the other employee involved in the scheme transferred the fraudulently obtained money into bank accounts controlled by the other employee or the other employee's friends, and they all shared the money among themselves. Rosenfeld also recruited a third bank employee to fraudulently execute a wire transfer and Rosenfeld split his portion of the proceeds with him as well.
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Dovefromabove, thanks I've done that as far as I can, I was wondering whether the inclusion of some rotten wood debris had encouraged them.
It's the all pervasive rotten flesh smell that gets to me.
You haven't smelt them. This is the first year that they have appeared and we've been here over 20 years.
Could it be Ailanthus? They have pinnate leaves, grow into trees and sucker. I believe they are quite vigurous.
Over the last few weeks these fungi have popped up in the border. They are truly disgusting with a vile smell which comes to your attention first. Not only do they have a slimy cap the base consists of a jelly filled ball. I want to try and prevent these from reappearing any ideas?
Here in Norfolk I have yet to see any ladybirds, although I haven't looked too hard. Also, thank goodness fewer lily beetles, although I did catch a couple. I have seen a few blackfly. What has happened in the poast has been a rapid increase in aphids followed after a while by a corresponding increase in ladybirds, a bit of patience is required. However, for those without Green Gardener is excellent for all prdators including ladybirds. I particularly like their plum moth traps which are almost 100% effective. http://www.greengardener.co.uk
I too live in dry East Anglia but have a dampish shady side to the garden which is where it lived.
I had one in a pot for about 3 years the pot was little wider than the fern. I used to take it into an unheated greenhouse in the winter but forgot to water it so bye bye tree fern. It seemed quite tough up until then. I read somewhere once that they are a bit tender until they get past about 18 inches high but best to protect the crown, I used a piece of polystyrene with the fronds folded over on top. Wonderful to see the new fronds emerging. The original plant was quite small only about 6 inches tall and was about 18 inches to 2 feet when it died. I still have the trunk, or whatever the proper name is.


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A tree sprouted but not sure what it is. Don't know how to care for it. On top of this it has a long thin stick/trunk. Any ideas guys? |
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- Posted by ken_adrian z5 (My Page) on Sat, Feb 23, 13 at 17:07
sideways was bad enough.. now you got one upside down??? ken |
Mulberry? |
Don't think it is mulberry as the leaf shape is totally different from one in a friends garden, thought there are several species. It also looks like it may have a mineral, Iron(?), deficiency. Compost too alkaline or over fertilised? |
Ficus carica cv I believe. They commonly volunteer in Cali. |
- Posted by lovemanyplants none (My Page) on Sun, Feb 24, 13 at 11:54
What are you talking about upside down? This picture is correct. Look at the pot. |
- Posted by lovemanyplants none (My Page) on Sun, Feb 24, 13 at 12:12
The leaves are slightly different than the ficus carica. Someone else thought Asian Mulberry. Black Mulberry leaves are very different than the white Mulberry ones. Looks a little like an Asian Mulberry. Popped up Ina pot so I didn't give it much care. Just kind of went unnoticed. Curious so I'll know what to do for it. Right now it's in potting soil(where it popped up), haven't fertilized it other than the soil, the weather has been suuupeeerrr cold though. We have had frost on our deck so that may also be a factor. |
- Posted by theplantwizard none (My Page) on Sun, Feb 24, 13 at 13:33
I think Ken thought it was upside down because the pot is at the top of the picture, upside down. |
Both the leaves and the branches look upside down. There is not enough shown to be sure what kind of tree it is. While I do not think is certain to be a mulberry I will point out that the leaf shapes of white mulberry are highly variable, resulting in recurring mystification - at some times multiple posts appear asking about white mulberries that have popped up on their own. Usually seedlings with much-divided, vaguely maple-like leaf shapes are what cause confusion. |
See Ficus afganistanica, a progenitor of Edible fig. It demonstrates the huge variation possible in edible figs. |
Here is a link that might be useful: Ficus afganistanica
A picture of a bud would settle the fig question. nb the picture is upside down for me but goes right way up if clicked on. |
- Posted by lovemanyplants none (My Page) on Sun, Feb 24, 13 at 20:28
- Posted by lovemanyplants (My Page) on Sun, Feb 24, 13 at 20:32
Here's one just of the leaf. |
- Posted by lovemanyplants none (My Page) on Sun, Feb 24, 13 at 20:35
I would still say mulberry. And if it came up volunteer, that means it's from a fruiting mulberry. If it were me, I'd put that thing in the compost bin. Elaine |
- Posted by lovemanyplants none (My Page) on Sun, Feb 24, 13 at 21:29
Elaine, Why would you put it in a compost bin? If it is a fruiting mulberry then that is a wonderful plant to have! Not quite sure why you would say that! |
White mulberry pops up frequently and weedily in some areas. And not everyone appreciates the bird poop and fruit juice staining associated with ripe crops of white mulberries. In fact, anything generating quantities of fruits, nuts or seeds may be seen as a nuisance by those not wanting to deal with them. In my area there are large numbers of orchard fruit trees, particularly apples, as well as a component of other types such as edible figs, that do not get harvested much; I have seen wharf rats coming to both kinds. (Fig trees may also attract crows and eastern gray squirrels). Due to the mess Seattle has long prohibited orchard fruits from being chosen for new street tree plantings. |
- Posted by lovemanyplants none (My Page) on Mon, Feb 25, 13 at 21:34
Well, we are not in Seattle. We are in California. People here greatly appreciate the extra fruit and health that berries offer you. Up in Washington berries run rampant. Down here in California they do not. I understand the thoughts behind the statement. Just think its a little rude to say something like that when I'm simply asking for help identifying. I had a Mullberry and yes it does make a mess, but it is a joy to have around. I think that if people have rude comments then they should not post. There is no reason for the bickering to go on. Simple, just don't post on someone else's thread if you plan on being rude. Just saying. |
- Posted by missingtheobvious Blue Ridge 7a (My Page) on Mon, Feb 25, 13 at 23:23
Well, we are not in Seattle. We are in California. People here greatly appreciate the extra fruit and health that berries offer you. Up in Washington berries run rampant. Down here in California they do not. lovemanyplants, there are most definitely parts of California where berries run rampant. I grew up in California and have been to some of those parts of the state. It might be a good idea to avoid blanket statements. |
- Posted by lovemanyplants (My Page) on Thu, Feb 28, 13 at 2:09
There's no reason to be rude! I asked for an identification, not someone picking a fight! Please don't post on my threads if you can't be cordial! Thanks and have a nice day!:) |
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