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It's a bit desperate - Money so tight needing an alternate solution for laundry detergent.
Yes - one step at a time. I've wondered if it would be smart to buy a 55 gallon drum of liquid detergent. Perhaps from a
We can all benefit here a bit. I've got some good ideas. But let's first see if the economy of
I know enough, with my background as a chemist that a detergent is a detergent. I won't go into
The dollar has dropped about 10% just this year in buying power. Sadly that's even for the junky Chinese
Do you own a car wash? What do you use for detergent? I want names and prices.
I 'll do the research for prices and FOB rates and such. IF anyone is into this I'll do some legwork. That means I'll
Most of us are on R/R tracks into our city. That means that close by a shipment of a 55 gallon drum
I can also give you some real life stories of how I've used the non-perfumed and non tinted detergents to
1. dog bath
5. motors. I did it 1x. I brushed it with stiff brush full strength and per out local law collected the waste. It really
4. This one was from a buddy. He put it in his parts washer. It ran for 1/2 hour and degreased my entire rear
3. hand washing. I like this. I use left over water or any bottles that are thick. I put a hot paper clip thrugh
2. dish washing. I soak my dishes and when it's time to actually wash them they're nearly clean. I avoid greasy foods
1. The only thing that I love about giving my dog a bath is that I figured out he loves warm baths. I first found
Help me find the price of Purex or a non-perfumed / non-colored (dyed) detergent. 55 gal should be about $80. I'm a chemist and can do comparative cleaning ability measurments to determine what's a good deal and what's just a bunch of soapy water. I'll do the work. Make it worth my effort by helping with what you can find. You work in hospitals, car washes .. even fab shops where they wash their metal parts with detergents. Gets some names and sizes and fess up to your buyer and beg for help getting their price. I''ve been there. I know how to shop. But I need some facts to work. Product names, container sizes, upc # or part numbers. Then I can really go shopping. Wouldn't it be cool to get 100 drop shipments from NYC to SF, CAlif on the Burlinton northern and we all , together save $2000 just for working this out? I'm thinking $5000. At least let's go through the motions. It's good for your brain. God Bless you.
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Good Morning Andre, Boy you have certainly given this a lot of thought...a good thing. Something I came across recently was a thread at The Kitchen Table Forum, discussing making home made laundry detergent. A member made 5 gallons at a cost of just about $1.70 Canadian prices. The link is below. I think there have also been recent discussions about using home made soap for dishes as well as other general cleaning. Maybe grainlady will weigh in here with something she makes too. IMHO she does it all, and usually knows the most economical ways to do things as well as being very kind to the environment. Good luck in your quest to get the cost per laundry load down a good bit. I'll be trying the home made liquid laundry detergent sometime soon, but still need to pick up the ingredients.... Sue...now off to clean something. |
Here is a link that might be useful: Homemade Liquid Laundry Detergent
- Posted by ilene_in_neok (My Page) on Sat, Aug 1, 09 at 11:11
I believe it was Grainlady who put me onto Charlie's Soap. They don't put any fillers in their soap so a little more than a teaspoon does a full load of wash. It's fragrance free. They've got a good deal on shipping if you buy enough. I've been using it for a couple months and while I can't tell if it gets things cleaner, it certainly gets them AS clean as my previous product (anything on sale) did. You also might try The Clean Team. It's a group of cleaners gone commercial, selling their favorite cleaning products through the web. Both places have websites. charliesoap.com *yes, just one 's') and thecleanteam.com. Good luck! |
I've done the homemade laundry mixtures, referenced by chemocurl, which certainly are inexpensive, but may not be as effective (depending on the hardness of water used and type of soiled laundry you have). I still keep the ingredients in my storage area "just in case"... The homemade laundry mixtures may not work in all washing machines either, or advised for use in all machines. It might void warranties in some new machines. The problem with figuring the cost of homemade laundry detergent is all the different add-ins people use WITH them, that also adds to the price of each load, and how many loads do they REALLY get. For really hard water you may need to use a lot more of it than those with soft water. You'll probably use more in a top-loader (which typically use more water) than those with a front-loader. Do you use fabric softener? I don't. I used 1/4 c. of vinegar in the rinse, but that adds to the price of doing laundry. As ilene in neok mentioned, I use Charlie's Soap now, and only add vinegar to the rinse of the kitchen towel load, and the bath towel load. Generally, no other add-ins. Occasionally I'll add some Cascade Dishwashing Detergent for the enzymes and phosphates on a really dirty load of laundry. The first 5-gallon bucket of Charlie's Soap (1,280 loads) I started using November 14, 2007. At the time we figured it was 9-cents per load (cost divided by 1,280 loads) and would last us 3.5 years (6-7-loads per week), but I bet it's more like 4 years worth and even less per load. When Charlie's sent out an e-mail a few months ago saying they were going to start charging for shipping, I ordered another 5-gallon bucket (free shipping). So I'm covered for laundry detergent for a l-o-n-g time now. Lots less wasted plastic over that length of time, as well. I grew up in a family where poverty would have been a step up. We washed our hair with ZEST bath bar soap and it never killed anyone. We've just gotten advertised to death that a certain product for a certain purpose.... Another soap product that has a multitude of uses (including body/hair/teeth/laundry/all-purpose...) is Dr. Bronners Pure Castile Soap - http://www.drbronner.com/faqs_main.html. I have 6 quarts of it in storage (I got rediculosly cheap on-line). Before I started using Charlie's Soap, I have used it to make a homemade laundry mixture that can also be used for an all-purpose household cleaning product. Another great buy is a bar of ZOTE - which is a Mexican laundry bar. A BIG 14.1-ounce bar costs 80-cents. I slice a bar into 1/2-3/4-inch slices and use it for showering. You can also use ZOTE in the homemade laundry soap mixtures, either the liquid version or a dry version (using the same ingredients - ZOTE, borax and washing soda). You're going to have to do the math on a 55-gallon drum of soap. My concern would be how long does it keep, and at what temperatures will it keep best? But the BIG picture... Do you save a few pennies on laundry detergent, when you could be saving DOLLARS elsewhere? Like getting rid of expensive hobbies or unhealthy habits (smoking/drinking/gambling), getting rid of Cable TV, moving into a smaller home, getting rid of a vehicle.... Or the dreaded second job for additional income. Soap is just ONE area we spend money.... -Grainlady |
I love the idea of buying a drum of laundry detergent - with 5 in the house I am constantly buying laundry soap! Just the convenience factor is great! |
- Posted by ilene_in_neok (My Page) on Thu, Aug 6, 09 at 9:40
Grainlady makes a good point in that you may get a bigger bang for your buck by looking at other areas where your savings might be more significant. For me, as well as many others who contribute faithfully to this forum, frugality is a way of life. I have certain "friends" who laugh at my efforts, and my grown children accept them as part of my personality but they seem to be grateful that it is not part of theirs, for some reason. So be it. I'm the one who has no debts, and where my kids are concerned, the one they always turn to (sometimes successfully, but most of the time not) when they have gotten themselves in a financial mess. They don't want my advice and I keep waiting for them to get a clue. So far I wait in vain, although I'm seeing a glimmer of hope in my one daughter, finally. There are so, so many ways to cut down on costs. Start by making a list of everything you spend your money on and examine each one for potential savings. Usually, when you are frugal about the things you buy and the way you live your life, you will find you are also decreasing what they are now calling "your footprint". One nice thing about DD is that she buys a lot of the same things that I do. It is not uncommon for one of us to say to the other, "I'm making out an order to _____. Anything you need?" Then we share shipping. When I first started visiting this forum, I went all the way back to the first post and read each one. It took several days, but it allowed me to get to know people and to see what they were all doing. I'd recommend that as a first step for anyone new to this forum. It is very educational. My parents started out as farmers in Kansas. Because they did not have the financial expertise to run the farm at a profit, my dad started working as a driller on an oil rig. This set the wheels in motion, as my mother could not run the farm alone and he struggled to come home from a gruelling day's work on the rig and then work on the farm. Eventually the rig owner moved his operations to Oklahoma and we followed, selling the farm, moving into a small house with a good-sized yard in a small town. We were not poor but we were not well off, either. My mother was frugal in some ways, but in other ways not. For instance, every summer she would buy printed cotton fabric that was sold 4 yards for $1. (this was between the years of 1954 and 1965) From this, all her daughters would make their school clothes, and she would make dresses for herself and shirts for Dad. When double-knit was first marketed, my mother was in hog heaven. She bought so much double-knit that she wore it until she got too old to sew. And she recycled any plastic bag, whether it was a bread wrapper or a zip-lock bag that one of her "wasteful" daughters brought something in. BUT, my mother was not frugal when it came to buying a car. Because her father had been a horse-trader and she witnessed him haggling for the best possible price, feeling embarrassed about it, she would never, and would never allow Dad to, haggle over the price of the car. Car dealers loved to see Mom and Dad walking onto their lot. They always bought brand new and paid the price on the sticker. They usually kept the car for ten years so there was some recovery in that, at least. Mom loved to play the piano, and after she tried out her sister's electric organ, she had to have one. She went to the most expensive music store, and as usual, bought without haggling. Clearly, my mother had issues with money. And it seems a lot of people do, as if their worth as a human being is measured in dollars. I have a lot more respect for someone who lives comfortably on very little than I do for someone who brings down a huge salary but lives from payday to payday. When the job is lost, who's homeless? |
- Posted by marilyn_sue (My Page) on Thu, Aug 6, 09 at 16:57
I have made two 5 gallon batches of the liquid laundry soap and I am well pleased with it. I also instead of using a fabric softener use the white vinegar which is cheaper than buying softener. I have given jugs of it to my 3 daughters and granddaughter and they all really like it too. It has a very nice clean smell to it. I used Fels Naptha laundry bar soap in mine. Very cheap to make, I am not in Canada. Sue |
- Posted by hestia_flames (My Page) on Wed, Aug 12, 09 at 12:29
We have saved a lot by purchasing a front loading washing machine when our last one died. (It was at the end of its lifespan, and would have cost $300 to fix.) They use a lot less water, a lot less detergent, less energy, fill our septic less often, clothes are more gently washed (and last longer) and payback was a lot shorter. The only negative is that the loads take longer. If anyone is needing to replace a washing machine, it is really, really worth the extra $200 - $300 dollars - I am sure that we saved that in the first year alone. We also use white vinegar in our rinse cycle. We also reuse foam pumps - we purchase Suave Apple Shampoo (really like the smell) and add about an inch to the bottom of the pumps and fill the rest with water. Makes great foam soap - just make sure to clean the pump well every so often. One bottle of Suave on sale for $1.00 lasts a long time. |
- Posted by ilene_in_neok (My Page) on Thu, Aug 13, 09 at 14:36
That's good to know about the front-loading washing machines. Long ago, there were problems with the seal and they were notorious for leaking. I guess they've probably solved that problem by now. I would think they would get clothes cleaner because there's all that "tumbling" going on as the tub rotates. I don't guess I'd be able to pump my bath water into it though. If I'm remembering correctly, when the front-loader fills, the water comes about a third of the way up the window. Is this still the case? I buy my shampoo by the gallon at a beauty supply. It costs $9 and comes in lots of "flavors". We like the honey almond. But they have green apple, strawberry, and some others. I think it's thicker than Suave. I always used to use Suave though. I preferred the baby shampoo because it made our hair so shiny and healthy looking. I like the foamers, too. My grandkids were already teenagers before they came available here, but I would think they would be great for little kids, who always squirt on 'way more than they need. I find that the foamers save a little water, because I don't need to wet my hands before I put the soap on, now. After I've rubbed the foam into my hands, then I turn on the water and rinse it off. It doesn't take so long to rinse off, either. If you're concerned about bacteria, you could buy antibacterial hand soap in the large refill size and thin it with distilled water. |
I just Googled hotel supplies and priced 5 gal of Tide for $161.00. The only thing I could find in 55 gal drums was an all purpose cleaner for $1,120.00, with an extra $13.00 for the syphion and $95.00 for the caddy. It seems the industrial sizes are larger sizes but not drums. About 10 years ago I tried the ceramic discs out for an elderly relative they were ok. I gave them back so she could use them and I don't know what happened from there. I haven't heard of them lately but would be willing to give them a go since we are on septic again. I spend very little on detergent - "All Clear" since I'm allergic and very little on pre-treat,(1 spray bottle per year, the refills cost more per oz) and generally a gal of Clorox bleach per month for laundry and bathrooms. Adding a small amount of Borax Laundry Booster helps clean dirty clothes. I presoak and every load gets an extra rinse. I average 1 1/2 box dryer sheets per year. I stick the used ones in a box and grab a handful for things where static cling is not a problem and they still give the load a nice smell. I could throw the used ones in the final rinse but I'm not around. I am not a "chemist" but I have to strongly disagree that "all detergents are the same". I found out a long time ago that cheaper detergent was mostly clogging suds and very little cleaning. I use a tiny bit of the 2x or 3x All Clear and the water has a soapy slick feel and never any suds. I guess you could actually dilute the detergent with water to get regular strength. I am convinced I spend less on more "expensive" detergents. We are 4 adults and normally don't get very dirty but I can sympathize with those with active kids or dirty jobs. I'd say changing clothes directly after work or school and trying to wear something more than once saves $ and extends the life of the clothing. My dishwasher uses just under 2 gallons water so the 1 tbs. Cascade is plenty. My favorite cycle runs only 38 min. and I generally only use the top drawer. All my appliances, cooling systems, and ceiling fans are Energy Star. My hint to save soap costs would be the Borox and to dissolve detergent in washer before adding the clothing. |
- Posted by ilene_in_neok (My Page) on Thu, Aug 20, 09 at 10:40
My dishwasher has two receptacles for soap. One's an open one and the other one has a lid that pops open during the longest wash cycle. I never put soap in the open receptacle because I think the pre-wash is too short and most of that soap basically runs down the drain. I always do a full load, and we don't rinse the dishes before we put them in the dishwasher. I do, though, run the water at the sink till it's hot right before I start the dishwasher. I think that makes more of a difference in cleaning than the pre-wash soap does. |
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THE Portland Dahlia and Rose Festival had a larger than normal crowd this year, according to Portland Dahlia Society secretary Sue McLean.
Ms McLean said the extra numbers were especially noticeable compared with last year when a sweltering week of weather kept many potential visitors away.
"We had something like 450 through on Saturday, which is pretty big," she said.
"The weather was perfect and there were plenty of people in the area for the cruise ship and markets. We had lots of day-trippers from Warrnambool and MountGambier and there were even visitors from Adelaide."
Ms McLean said some growers submit as many as 100 or 200 blooms and one of the festival's prolific regulars was unable to take part this year, leaving some sections empty.
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Van Jones speaking at Netroots Nation 10. There's a few minutes intro by Howard Dean, followed by Jones' speech. This runs about an hour, including Jones' interview with Ari Melber.
Thanks to the folks at Get Energy Smart NOW! for the video.
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By: Scarecrow Friday July 23, 2010 12:45 pm |
Van Jones speaking at Netroots Nation 10. There's a few minutes intro by Howard Dean, followed by Jones' speech. This runs about an hour, including Jones' interview with Ari Melber.
Thanks to the folks at Get Energy Smart NOW! for the video.
Which was some impressive public nerdery, I must say. We are of a generation, he and I.
"So, maybe you want to put up a little orc-proofing, get some anti-orc strategies in place – they're gonna be tough."
"Fuck off, you DFHs – we got this."
Get Energy Smart NOW! link not workie.
It looks like their whole site is down. Probably too much traffic from folks interested in Van Jones. [One of my heroes, by the way.]
Edit, later: and they are back!
Regarding NN10:
* Is Jane there?
* If so, how is she being treated by the Dkos Obamabots?
I was a fan…until today when he told liberals to STFU about Obama and the corporate owned "Democrats".
Hadn't known much about him prior to his being slagged by the Obama Administration. I don't feel so sorry for him about that anymore.
someone who would have been as intimate with Obummer as Jones was would have seen it before hand unlike the majority of dems for whom Obummer was a mystery candidate. So we shouldn't be surprised. Netroots are mostly right wing kossacks so I am sure the audience was friendly to his message.
That will teach me to watch the video before commenting…
Jones is an Obot? Who could have known? Sorry to hear this.
Has anyone seen the direction we are heading…..almost all of the people who for what ever reason are in front of the progressive banner or more visible…. are people who have deep connections to Corporations…Rachel Maddow,Olberman,Ed Shultz & Van Jones.
Kos joined forces with the Corporations(MSNBC) until they put him in his place.
Like i have said before the Corporations are driving the progressive movement…which means they control the pace of progress.Why on heck people aren't seeking real progressives heroes..well it's very disappointing.
The Corporations ….just hire someone to whom most of us can identify with give 'em a microphone & most progressives start marching to the beat of that Corpoarte hire.
Look at MSNBC… the folks who were critics of a bad administration….well they have gone silent even though many of the policies of the previously bad Administration are still in place.Some of the Corporate progressives are even trying to now sell us on how "very good" this Administration is…even though we are now a more needy & poorer people. And Corpoartions have a stronger strangle hold on our lives.
Netroots Nation: Fiddling while Rome burns, (or is sold to the highest bidder).
I don't know about you guys, but I didn't think we'd gotten to any kind of finish-line in 2008. I think what a lot of people expected was not that the Republicans would lay down, and get out of the way, but rather that the people we did elect wouldn't be working against us.
Or that they'd do exactly the opposite of what they promised…
At least you can count on the GOP to either:
- Try to fulfill their promises
- Do nothing, and try to make sure the rest of the government accomplishes the same
I prefer that. At least I know what I'm up against with them, instead of having to spend a congressional session figuring it out.
Well said.Look whom they have highlighting their convention.
Lawerence O'Donnel is there…just take a look at his Count-Down program last night.He had one of the architects of the financial reform bill(Barnet Frank)….to tell us how "very good" the bill was….note he didn't get a Wall street consumer advocate to tell his audience about the bill.He imported a corrupt politician.
Remember the selling of the Iraq war & the role the media played in influencing Americans…well the same play is being run to favor the sham of financial reform.
Who'd have though a communist would sit around all day listening to Barry Manilow and Journey. Stunning.
Very well put. I'm beyond fed up with those who accuse me of being too impatient. The problem isn't what hasn't been done, it is what they have done. And worse, there is no sign at all that Obama intends to pursue any policy that I consider worthwhile.
It's funny, progressives and our response to the dearth of accomplishments was a topic tonight on the PBS News Hour. Axelrod was asked about it, he actually used the phrase "don't let the perfect be the enemy of the good." And later David Brooks used similar language, "can't believe liberals want more." I guess they feel like they won in 2008 on pretty words but little substance, let's double down on that and hope no one notices. It is like Groucho Marx's old line "What are you going to believe, me or your lying eyes?"
IF there had been focus on a subset of tactics, AND
IF those tactics had been part of a focused strategy, AND
IF the tactics and the strategy had been expertly executed
THEN the fascists would have fought every step of the way, AND, they and their powerful allies would have kicked our asses on a lot of stuff.
The ONLY tactics and strategy that were really well executed where those tactics and strategy lining us up like f'king chumps to sell us chumps out to AHIP, Pharma, Goldman, AIG, the Military Industrial Complex.
During the Raygun-Cheney Reign of Terror, every day or week or month there would be some unbelievable outrage (ketchup for a vegetable, anyone ?), BUT, after some time to process, I'd think to myself – "They're despicable thieving scum, so … it makes sense!"
For the last year it seems like every week there is yet another piss on our heads and tell us it is raining outrage – WHEN THE FUCK DID I VOTE FOR THAT?
Here's what I've noticed about the differences between Democrats and Republicans. I know a lot of people will say there's no difference, but I'm starting to disagree.
Republicans tend to dismantle good governance by relying on the malfeasance of specific individuals to turn relatively benign policies into destructive policies. Monkeying around with the OLC, the MMS, the FDA, etc. In essence they tend to not actually push much in the way of architectural changes to the government and the way it operates by statute. In stead they just fill it with people who ignore, or subvert, the statutes. The Republicans rely on bad cogs.
Democrats tend to push destructive policies. They don't pursue with quite the same zeal the placement of specific individual malefactors in government, they take a big-picture approach. They push things like NAFTA, eviscerating Glass-Steagall, subsidizing private-only health insurance, codifying Too Big Too Fail, etc. They don't necessarily need the individual malefactors, because they rig the overall machine to malfunction.
The Republicans use shoddy parts, and the Democrats use shoddy design, and in the end the outcome is essentially the same. Except for one compounding issue.
Part of the way that Democrats push destructive policy is that they leave lots of political ambiguity in the legislation to claim that it does things that it doesn't necessarily do, because the final outcome relies on the Executive to fill decision making positions to give teeth to the law. This is most obvious most recently in HRC and FinReg. Where the head of the HHS and the head of the Fed, respectively, have entirely too much say-so over just how much protection of the public trust those laws will actually protect. This opens the door for the Republican strategy of individual malefactors to thrive like a wildfire whenever they take over the reigns of government.
This means that as our political pendulum swings from one side to the other we don't get good design with bad parts, and then bad design with good parts. We ultimately get ever worsening design with ever crappier parts, and the entirely predictable outcome is that the machinery of our government breaks down.
"Barack Obama volunteered to be the Captain of the Titanic; after it hit the iceberg." –Van Jones
(emphasis added)
That's right he did, so then why does he get to use the excuse that he can't do anything useful about it to keep it from sinking? If he didn't have any of the knowhow, any of the skills, or any of the will to actually steer that ship aground before it sank into the depths, then he shouldn't have fucking volunteered for the job, because he's in the way of letting someone be at the helm who might actually be able to do something about it.
I want to like Van Jones. I really do. But this segment is fucking insulting, and whoever the hell that moderator/interviewer is; he does a disgraceful job correcting the narrative about the anger that's out there. Nobody on the left is angry because Obama has tried and failed to solve a tough problem, they're angry because he seems to be working feverishly to make sure it gets worse. We're not upset because he's Captain, or because the ship has struck an iceberg. We're upset because we find out he's on the bridge instructing the lookout to find more icebergs to ram into, and ordering the deck crew to leave the bulkheads wide open to make sure the ship floods as quickly as possible.
Seriously, fucking insulting. I'm borderline retarded, but somehow these Democrat apparatchiks find continuously new and creative ways to insult my intelligence.
We ultimately get ever worsening design with ever crappier parts, and the entirely predictable outcome is that the machinery of our government breaks down.
Yeah well, that is why I came up with the Tea Party, to offer an alternative.
Wow, I have only watched the first 4 minutes or so of that video, prior to Van Jones coming on stage, but I am horribly disappointed. So, tell me Howard, so although we elected a President with a particular platform in mind, we aren't supposed to trust that he will be the instrument of our will? We constantly need to be second guessing him and pressuring him?
What is the point of sending a candidate to the White House or to Congress if we can not trust them to be true to their word?
You shouldn't be shocked when we lose a million and one seats this fall. They broke their word to the people they represent and have to pay the cost of that betrayal. They voted for horrible stimulus, HCR, let Bush get away with his war crimes. All those things could have been pursued, but no, we get watered down corporate approved programs.
I never watched anything from Net Nation before, but that 'Big Picture' forum was horrible and the Van Jones thing is shaping up to be really disappointing too.
Listening to Van Jones, I am perplexed how he casts all this responsibility onto bloggers, but doesn't assign responsibility to the representatives in our government who are not executing the will of their constituents.
It is his old boss that causes us to piss billions of dollars away each and every year on pointless wars. He's right, we aren't poor, but we refuse to make the "tough decisions" that would help right the ship.
Yes, we did elect Obama, but it wasn't a starting line, it was a finishing point. He delivered on nothing.
Can't wait for the Democrats to be voted out en masse. They deserve their fate. It is a shame we'll all suffer as result.
Wow, just wow. How about we want a President who isn't beholden t special interests? How about we want a President who is his own man and not just an effort to revitalize the Clinton years? How about we want a President who isn't a corporatist? How about want a President who believes in the rule of law?
"Don't let the perfect be the enemy of the good..", please. That tired old shit is all used up. The devil is in the details and everything Obama and the Democrats has touched has been done for the power that be, not for the people who elected him. You don't think all these regulatory boards aren't going to be exploited be it for HCR or Wall St.? It's all trash.
Liars and thieves, the lot of them.
Ask yourself "Who is we?" and "How many of we are there?"
We who do not live in liberal harbors like the northern coasts know that there are a lot of folks who voted for Obama with whom folks on this site would disagree. And there is the sticky matter that in a representative democracy with divided government and checks and balances, the Congress is co-equal with the President and the Supreme Court. Barack Obama does not rule by decree.
So it is up to us, bloggers if you will, to create a different politics at the local and state levels. It was a starting line but now that the hard work is beginning a bunch of folks want to argue that it was a finishing point.
Politics never ends. You have to keep the conversation going with your personal networks to get change locally and at a state level in order to change the tenor of Congress. And build the base for the next presidential election. Even if you disagree with Obama if you are not doing this, you will continue to be disappointed. For you will not have better options in 2012, 2014 and 2016 than you had in 2006.
And how long are you going to allow for Obama to deliver. He has two and a half years left to govern.
Contrary to most here, I thought that Van Jones's speech was well crafted and on target about the situation we are in.
Dean made some good points, but he needs to take the next logical step when he talks about making Obama and the Dims do the right thing. He needs to start urging people to vote third party to force Democrats to the left. Without that outside organizational influence, all the work-from-within baloney won't amount to a hill of beans no matter how many decades it takes (and we haven't got decades).
It's disappointing to hear a bunch of privileged straight men–Melber, Jones and Schulz–talk about the "sissy room" as though the problem with the Obama Administration is that they are sissies. Most sissies I know have more courage than anyone in the Obama Administration.
As tempting as it is, I think that focusing all our anger on Obama is counterproductive. Let's get over it; we thought we elected a "hopey changey" reformer, and instead we got the worst kind of corporatist shill. Okay, that sucks, but it's done and we can't undo it until 2012. Same thing with most of those "progressive" "reformers" in Congress.
So, realizing that pretty much every part of our Legislative and Executive branches of government are now simply wholly-owned subsidiaries of Goldman and Blackwater and Booz Allen, what — if anything — can we do about it?
I doubt anybody wants to be the first one on the street with pitchfork and torch, but it has to start somewhere.
[NB: this mirrors a long discussion over on GlennZilla's discussion forums about how much do we take before "enough is enough," and what form should civil disobedience/resistance take? We've all pretty much agreed that the system is irredeemable from within, so how would we go about remaking it from without?]
You Radicals are maybe 10% of the population, yet you would have Obama rule by decree only what you want. Notice I didn't call you progressives or liberals. Because you are not. You are anarchists trying to hijack liberalism and progressivism. Obama may be bad but he governs for everybody, not just you anarchists. You believe that he should do only what your anarchist 10% want. Right now the top 10% rich people run things, what difference will there be if we substitute that 10% with you guys. You guys advocate division and greed, just like them. they are greedy for money, you are greedy to get what you want. your so called quest against the status quo has turned you into the very thing you supposedly are fighting against. Left wing tea pasrty. enjoy your new status as the dividers of the republic. great job anarchists.
dearth of accomplishments? What do you mean? Our Fearless Leader has a big resume.
Oh no, the shaming tactics. Oh, the horror.
"The reasonable man adapts himself to the conditions that surround him… The unreasonable man adapts surrounding conditions to himself… All progress depends on the unreasonable man."


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It's a little limited and a little buggy, but when it comes to fast and easy typing, nothing beats swiping.
Now you can "humblebrag" for knowing that "binge-watch," "side boob," "douchebaggery," "fandom," and other well-known slang terms are officially in Oxford Dictionaries.
A woman was admitted to a psychiatric hospital after saying she believed that a famous actor was sending her coded messages via Twitter, according to a published research paper.
MediaFire raises the stakes by offering boatloads of Dropbox-style storage for cheap.
Seeing the World Cup as a chance to lower language barriers, the social site enables translation in its iPhone and iPad app, and Twitter.com timeline. It's a win for Bing.
As Twitter spreads globally, it makes sense to be able to break down language barriers. But machine translation is hard -- especially in the abbreviated lingo of a tweet.
Hanging out on Twitter can be pretty fun, but there are a lot of abbreviations to get your head around.
High Efficiency Video Coding (HEVC), also known as H.265, promises twice the compression possible with Blu-ray's best video compression methods. But how does it work, and is it enough to get us better-looking 4K content?
It happens to the best of us. We run into a string of all-caps that must mean something, but isn't explained in context. If you're lucky, a quick search can come up with possibilities, but Chrome and Firefox users have access to Abbrex, a nifty extension that provides pop-up definitions quickly and easily.


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Tue, May 4, 10 at 11:54
I have started some impatiens and the leaves appear very curled and stunted - especially on the white ones. The plants look green and strong but very curled. In researching the forum I think I'm overfertilizing because I'm using it full strength every watering. I will now stop fertilizing now - will the plants recover? how long will it take to see results?
P.S. I examined the leaves closely and do not see any sign of insects such as aphids. |
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Hello melrose How tall are your impatiens? Are they at the tiny stage? Are they a darker green than normal? What type of impatiens are they? Could you post a picture of them? Hope you can figure out the problem. |
The impatiens are white blitz and they are about 3" tall. I parts with the deformed curly small leaves probably are a little darker green. I wouldn't be able to take a picture until tomorrow night because they are in an outside greenhouse and it's dark now. |
- Posted by caitlin448 NC (My Page) on Wed, May 26, 10 at 19:41
Do you have flowers? I was over fertilizing my impatiens at first and while the leaves and stalks grew like crazy (and a little curly), the flower buds would fall off and not bloom. I rinsed them with water and saw improvement within 2 days. I think the key is rinsing away the fertilizer. |
Never use full strength fertilizer on anything every time you water. Hello! Read the directions. Impatiens don't need much fertilizer anyway. A 1/4 strength monthly is all mine get with a light foliar misting in between. |
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I had a peony bush which I had to move at short notice. It appeared to die but produced a single flower the second year. It has produced a single flower each year for the last 9 years. Is it posible to make if form a bush again? Can I grow new plants from the seeds it makes? |
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It never was a bush unless it was a tree peony. I would dig the plant up this fall,divide, and replant. It probably is planted too deep or receives lawn fertilizer. Yes you can grow plants from the seeds. check some of the recent messages for instructions. |
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