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Don't be led astray; this is not the Hyundai Elantra sedan you've grown to know so well. Not that we have a problem with the standard Elantra, but the Touring is a different matter altogether. This is the Touring, a hatchback styled on the classic Elantra design. While you won't get everything in the 2012 Hyundai Elantra Touring that you would get in a Hyundai Elantra sedan, you do get a pretty reliable and practical hatchback.
While there are definitely drivers who enjoy the style of a hatchback, the main reason you probably are considering a vehicle of this nature is for the trunk space, and the 2012 Hyundai Elantra Touring has an impressive amount of space, all you could probably expect and more. That doesn't come at the expense of passenger space, there's lots of that too.
While the Hyundai Elantra Touring does have a good-looking exterior, it's not exactly upscale, either in its exterior styling or interior design. If this is an issue for you, you may want to go out and find a pricier car, perhaps a luxury crossover or a German-engineered wagon. But if you're looking for a sporty hatchback that's affordable, has a fun ride, and offers plenty of needed space, the 2012 Hyundai Elantra Touring may be a very exciting option for you to consider.
The Hyundai Elantra comes in two trim levels, The GLS and the SE.
One complaint many have about the Hyundai Elantra Touring is that its styling feels a bit dated, and unfortunately, that's not going to change for 2012. Right now, there are some color additions and there's been some option package shuffling, but the 2012 Hyundai Elantra is otherwise the same as last year's model.
While no one will mistake it for a BMW or a Bentley, the exterior of the 2012 Hyundai Elantra Touring has its positives. Its shape is something akin to a compact crossover SUV, but a streamlined version with a sloping back roof and windswept headlamps. For some, however, the shape is too reminiscent of a wagon, a vehicle style that crossovers are rapidly making extinct. The GLS features 15-inch steel wheels with all-season tires and options such as a rear spoiler, wheel locks, and a rear bumper protector. With the SE, you get a power glass sun roof and roof rack, along with 17 inch alloy wheels. Exterior color options range from Polar White to Atlantic Blue to Chilipepper Red to Black Noir Pearl.
Although the interior of the Hyundai Elantra Touring may not appear as upscale as a luxury sedan, you do get full power accessories, a tilt steering wheel which comes leather wrapped in the SE, cloth upholstery, six speaker sound with CD player, satellite radio and input for iPod and USB. The option package adds a telescoping feature to the wheel as well as upgraded upholstery and a trip computer. The SE also has leather trim on the shift knob, the tilt and telescoping steering wheel with audio and cruise controls on the wheel, and multi-level heated front seats.
Naturally, space is your big concern with a hatchback, mainly cargo space but passenger space as well. You've got nothing to worry about with the 2012 Hyundai Elantra Touring in this area, as you start out with a full 24.3 cu. ft. of cargo space, and folding the rear seats allows you to expand to an expansive maximum cargo capacity of 65.3 cu. ft. There's comfortable seating for five, with a full 43.5 inches of front leg room and 36.4 inches of rear leg room.
Again, while the Elantra Touring doesn't get huge marks for styling, mostly because other cars in its class have upgraded their interiors while Hyundai has remained the same, you can certainly get comfortable inside this car, and the dashboard is simple and intuitive. There's not that much to get excited about with the Elantra Touring interior style, but not much to complain about either.
Hyundai has included plenty of features to help ensure safety while driving the 2012 Hyundai Elantra Touring. For brake safety, you'll find a four-wheel anti-lock braking system, ventilated front disc and solid rear disc brakes, electronic brake force distribution and emergency braking assist. With regard to airbags, the Elantra Touring comes complete with front and rear head airbags and dual front side-mounted airbags. For theft protection you'll find an engine immobilizer and alarm system, and for child safety, seat anchors and rear door safety locks.
Other safety precautions included in the 2012 Hyundai Elantra Touring are such features as stability control and traction control, tire pressure monitoring, front seatbelt pretensioners, whiplash protection systems for driver and passenger and a rear center three-point belt.
If you have any concerns about style, you'll probably forget all about them once you get the Hyundai Elantra Touring on the road. This roomy hatchback is surprisingly sporty and fun to drive, with a well-tuned suspension that gives you impressive handling and a relatively quiet, comfortable ride, with a choice between a five-speed manual and four-speed automatic transmission. The 2.0-liter, four-cylinder engine actually has a nice amount of pep for this vehicle, and can generate 138 horsepower and 136 lb-ft of torque. Fuel economy is fairly impressive for the 2012 Hyundai Elantra Touring as well, with gas mileage ratings of 23/30 mpg city/highway, 23/31 mpg city/highway with the manual transmission option. If you're looking for a car to load up with friends and weekend fun gear and zip along some country roads, this is a great car to do it in. Of course, you'll probably find many more practical uses for the Elantra Touring as well.
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The Aruba Mobility Access Switch family of products provides various features including voice VLAN, Link Layer Discovery Protocol – Media Endpoint Discovery (LLDP-MED), and Quality of Service (QoS) to enable successful deployment of VoIP in enterprise networks. This application note addresses traditional techniques and introduces new device-aware support to deploy VoIP phones. This document is intended for all system engineers and network administrators who are deploying a VoIP solution in an enterprise network.
This guide presents a new wireless architecture to deliver a multimedia-grade experience to students living in residence halls. We will show that large numbers of low-power microcells located directly in the student rooms is the only effective solution to fully meet user expectations. We provide simple rules to determine the density of these microcells for different types of construction. We also provide migration options to enable many institutions to deploy this architecture without pulling additional cabling.
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Virtual Intranet Access (VIA) is part of the Aruba remote access solution that includes remote access points(RAPs), Aruba Instant (IAP),and the Remote Node solution. To address the demands of the current mobile workforce, which requires corporate access from hotspots such as those in airport, hotels, and coffee shops . The Aruba VIA solution is designed to provide secure corporate access to employee laptops and smartphones. This guide will walk through planning and deployment of the VIA solution.
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Please someone give me the amount of oil that I should place into my 2004 Acura MDX with an oil filter change as well. I am batting zero on my other questions on the Nav section. I hope I get a response back on this one.
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stever Viva Las CrucesPosts: 42,394That's pretty basic info that should be in your owner's manual. Every car I've owned has had oil quantities listed in the manual with and without a filter change.
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The NAV question is harder - usually there's a separate manual for operating that, and I don't know if those manuals are online. Try the Acura MDX Navigation System Questions discussion for specific questions about your nav.
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ljp6 Posts: 5Thank you--Just the information I needed. I mentioned on my other questions that I had no manual. I am promised one but as yet have not received it--so your info was very helpful.
All the bells and whistels are new to me and I'm flying by wire to get to learn how to use all the gadgets on my 04 MDX w/ touring pkg.
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mecheng1 Posts: 161My 2001 MDX 3.5L V6 takes exactly 5.0 quarts of oil during a change with filter change.
The 2004 engine is still 3.5L but was tuned differently to increase horsepower. I don't believe the oil sump volume was changed. Anyway, looks like folks are adding 4.5 quarts during changes of the 2004 MDX oil.
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upstatedoc Posts: 710This issue has been discussed ad nauseum as well.
I, too, run synthetic in all my vehicles. Probably due to the perception that "synthetic is better" or at least that's what the Mobil 1 commercials tell us.
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stever Viva Las CrucesPosts: 42,394I'd use dead dino in it and change it at the factory recommended interval (indicator light in an Acura, right?). I'd hope that interval is pushing 10,000 miles. Only Toyota of the majors is holding at a 5,000 mile interval and they have a sludge/gel reputation to deal with. USA Today. Waste of good oil otherwise.
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upstatedoc Posts: 710My '04 MDX's manual says 7500mi with of course Honda oil.
My '07 MDX "reminds" you when its time.
I haven't even looked in the GTI's manual, it only has 1300mi on it, but actually that is another good question:
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mecheng1 Posts: 161My experience (last two vehicles over 15yrs and 225,000 mi on each) is:
If you change at OEM recommended times (7500mi./1yr on the MDX) under "normal driving conditions", I would use full synthetic because it includes certain branched carbon molecules that display better viscosity/lubrication and are not found in petroleum-based oil.
If you change at the OEM recommended times (3750mi./6 mon. on the MDX) under "hard driving conditions", I think you would be okay with a quality brand of petroleum-based oil (The API rating # is key to quality). As long as you are not towing alot or driving at over 110 degF alot or under dusty conditions alot.
The Maintenance Indicator light on my 2001 is timed to come on and stay on at 7500 mi intervals. It starts blinking at startup at about 7000mi. To reset you turn the key off, hold the Reset and Select odometer buttons in while turning the Key to III - then hold for 10 seconds.
Also change the oil filter as often as you can. Every oil change - or no less than every other change.
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I have committed (or should be committed) to make a veil for an upcoming wedding. The bride wants a cathedral length veil but with some designs near the bottom with some beads and sequence.
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- Posted by dancingirl (My Page) on Tue, Nov 20, 12 at 19:56
Annie! When they get you behind the bars, can we all come & giggle at you? teehee Well, metallic threads are troublesome to work with on machines--they don't always cooperate. You'll need a special embroidery needle for metallic thread--do you have decorative designs on your machine? A scrap of the veil material? Do some experimental testing..very simple design can be attractive if repeated several times. I'm glad it's you and not me--haha Much good luck! |
- Posted by AnnieDeighnaugh (My Page) on Wed, Nov 21, 12 at 10:38
Well I stopped at Jo anns and I picked up 2 different stabilizers, a special needle for sewing with metallic thread, a darning foot. I went to another fabric store and got a good deal on alencon lace. So I think I'm going to try to applique on the alencon lace and then hand embroider in the silver thread and sew on beads and such on top of the lace, so the lace will give me my basic design, which will be a big help. I want to add a monogram, so I guess I'll have to do that by hand as well as my machine doesn't do them....it only does wee little letters...not the big fancy stuff. Decisions, decisions. But you're right dancingirl, I'm going to have to use lots of scraps and do a lot of practicing. |
- Posted by dancingirl (My Page) on Wed, Nov 21, 12 at 18:53
I bow to your persistence. You seem very determined to have a go. I'm sure you will do a beautiful job. May I suggest a little hint for using the metallic thread in a machine or by hand..put a drop of "Sewer's Aid" on the thread spool--it should make it easier to sew with. I'll check back in a few yrs to see if you've posted a picture. Just kidding. Would love to see the finished product! |
- Posted by AnnieDeighnaugh (My Page) on Wed, Nov 21, 12 at 20:53
Thanks for the tip....I'll check it out... |
- Posted by AnnieDeighnaugh (My Page) on Fri, Nov 23, 12 at 17:47
Well, I made copies of the lace and came up with a pattern to applique to the end of the veil...showed it to the bride and she was happy. Pattern has a monogram in the middle of it, and I've got to work out the details of the monogram yet. I got me a darning foot and I got stabilizer and I got invisible thread so I was playing with it today, and I actually think it's going to work! I was practicing with some old alencon lace I had (left over from my own wedding gown) and I used the invisible thread on the top and white thread on the bottom. I used a fine zig zag, and a micro tec needle and it did a great job of holding the lace to the veil using the stabilizer on the bottom. I'm still undecided if I want to use the heat melt or the water melt stabilizer....I had an easier time washing out the water melt. I then played with hand beading the lace and I think it's going to work fine. Still not sure how the monogram is going to work...I need to practice with that yet. But I'm much more positive that I can actually make this happen. Of course it's very different working on a scrap vs. trying to sew on the end of a veil that's 108" long! |
- Posted by dancingirl (My Page) on Fri, Nov 23, 12 at 22:20
Whew!!! You are making me tired! That is quite a project you've taken on...are you getting paid for your labor? I hope so. I love the invisible thread; I use it for machine applique all the time with the applique stitch. Sounds like you are on your way, and here's hoping you do not have a single misstep. GOOD LUCK and happy sewing. |
- Posted by AnnieDeighnaugh (My Page) on Sat, Nov 24, 12 at 16:21
Thanks dancingirl....no I'm not getting paid...this is my wedding gift to the bride. Here are some pics of my plan...paper cut outs of the lace, sheet instead of veil, quick sketch of a monogram. |
- Posted by dancingirl (My Page) on Sat, Nov 24, 12 at 18:20
Well, you are just precious--that bride is truly blessed. The veil is going to be beautiful---no one will even look at the bride! That would be gorgeous on the train, as well. Loved seeing the pix. BTW, it seems we are all alone in our conversation. I've noticed that this site doesn't get visited as often as it once was. But I still ck for new postings. I got email notice of your posting, but had to log in to see what your handwork will look like. Wish you had an emb machine for the monogram! I could loan you use of one of mine, but I'm way off in TN. |
- Posted by AnnieDeighnaugh (My Page) on Sun, Nov 25, 12 at 19:26
Thanks dancingirl, I appreciate the offer. I'm very concerned about the monogram...I'm so afraid I'll get 90% of the way there and then have a serious screw up and have to start all over again...ESP since the lace I bought was a remnant and am not sure I can get more. So I think I'll do the monogram separately and then attach, even if I have to glue it.... Once I get to the hand beading, I'll relax though as that can be done slowly, one stitch at a time, and can be redone if I make a mistake... |
- Posted by dancingirl (My Page) on Mon, Nov 26, 12 at 9:11
Just remember to B..R..E..A..T..H..E..... |
- Posted by AnnieDeighnaugh (My Page) on Sat, Dec 1, 12 at 18:46
So I started practicing my free hand machine embroidery today on a J monogram that I think will look nice. I still need more practice and need to play with materials, but I think I'm going to just embroider directly onto pellon and then trim it close and glue it onto the veil...I really am not a fan of glue, but it seems to work really well, stays flexible and is going to be so much safer than trying to embroider directly onto the veiling. I'm so scared that I'll get all the machine applique done and then screw up the monogram and have to start all over. I think this approach will be much better and more likely to succeed. I also found out that it works best if I straight stitch the edge first and then do the zigzag to fill it in. I also found out I'm going to need several miles of thread to get this done, so I better go buy some bigger spools. |
- Posted by dancingirl (My Page) on Sat, Dec 1, 12 at 22:52
Oh, are you using silk, or rayon, or poly embroidery thread?? It will make the best show. I use a lot of the shiny poly and rayon in my emb mach, May I suggest you use 2 of the threads in the needle for better coverage? The emb thread is finer and there are hundreds of yds on a small spool. |
- Posted by AnnieDeighnaugh (My Page) on Sun, Dec 2, 12 at 16:26
I was just practicing with regular all purpose thread....what do you recommend for the top thread and the bobbin thread...should they be the same or different? And are you recommending running 2 threads through the needle at once? I've not ever done that before.... One web site I came across recommends using bobbin thread in the bobbin and embroidery thread in the needle...I've not ever worked with anything other than all purpose...I did start practicing with poly invisible thread though for the lace applique and that seemed to work really well...it is impossible to see. I appreciate any info you can provide, dancingirl! |
- Posted by dancingirl (My Page) on Sun, Dec 2, 12 at 18:12
There is a very fine poly thread that I use in my emb machines--I think it is 40w. (I buy the prewound bobbins, but it would be available at your store..also the rayon/poly/silk threads are much finer so the stitches can "pile up" without getting too dense and heavy. You will be using white? I'd try some white embroidery thread on top and bottom...it will be so shiny & pretty. Re 2 threads--yes, you can wind some on a spare bobbin and use it as a 2nd spool and thread 2 threads thru the needle. You should get good coverage that way. Certainly would test 1st to be sure both threads will flow thru the tensions. You can do this! The outline stitches sounds like it'll be easier to fill. |
- Posted by dancingirl (My Page) on Sun, Dec 2, 12 at 18:15
I just tho't -if you can get the thread in a silver gray (not a metallic) then it will look like liquid silver but soft. I use it a lot--I like the look. |
- Posted by AnnieDeighnaugh (My Page) on Sun, Dec 2, 12 at 20:38
Thanks so much. I'm heading to the fabric store on Tues and was planning on investigating the threads. I really appreciate the input. I also think the gal sold me the wrong needle...she sold me this microtex thing, but I think I need an embroidery needle.... |
- Posted by dancingirl (My Page) on Mon, Dec 3, 12 at 9:03
I remember trying to buy emb, needles at a machines store once, several yrs ago--the owner said, "just use a #16. I use ordinary #14 in my emb machine unless it's special thread (metallic, etc) or delicate fabric. Then always a new needle--emb. Failing the embroidery of the monogram, you can outline the letter and fill with tiny seed pearls, or such. Does that sound pretty? |
- Posted by AnnieDeighnaugh (My Page) on Tue, Dec 4, 12 at 17:49
Yikes! Filling it in with seed pearls sounds lovely but like it would take forever! I did get embroidery thread in a shiny ivory, I got bobbin thread and I got an embroidery needle. I also got some pellon to use as the stabilizer. I'll let you know how it comes out when I get done practicing with it. |
- Posted by AnnieDeighnaugh (My Page) on Thu, Dec 20, 12 at 8:52
Update....I'm doing fine with the machine applique of the lace...I think that will for work well for me. However, I'm not doing so well with the monogram. I still have a few more experiments to try, but I'm thinking I may have to try another method. I'm thinking at this point of some combo of machine embroidery over which I do a hand embroidery, or if I should try to cut the monogram out of some non-raveling satin looking material and sew or glue it to the veil.... or I was looking at some needle tucking hand sewing process that is typically used for quilting that might work... I stopped at the store where the bride is buying her gown and they said they can do monogramming there, so at least I have a fall-back position.... |
This post was edited by AnnieDeighnaugh on Thu, Dec 20, 12 at 12:43
- Posted by dancingirl (My Page) on Thu, Dec 20, 12 at 19:21
Well, you still have a bit of time to experiment, don't you? Do put a pix up when you think you have it nailed down. Now me?! I'd have abandoned the idea of personalizing it with my own handwork--and the embroidery machine would get that job. |
- Posted by AnnieDeighnaugh (My Page) on Thu, Dec 20, 12 at 20:30
OK, I feel better now...I've ordered iron on monogram letters that I think I can make work...only thing is they are white so I have to dye them (that's why I bought more than one) to make them work. But I feel so much better knowing I have something. I mean I'm sweating bullets here trying to figure out how to do this and the iron on guy is only about $2! So I need to put my effort toward where there's a real payback..... |
- Posted by AnnieDeighnaugh (My Page) on Fri, Dec 21, 12 at 8:47
I certainly was inspired last night when after project runway they had on a special about the gowns by marchesa....all of the hand beadwork and details are simply stunning! |
Here is a link that might be useful: Marchesa dresses
- Posted by AnnieDeighnaugh (My Page) on Fri, Jan 4, 13 at 8:06
With DH's help, I've cut the veil, rounded the corners, squared the edges and am now starting to applique the lace to the veil. So far I've done 3 pieces of lace and have 8 more to go... they look great, but I still have to deal with removing the stabilizer. I think I should've gotten something tear away instead of just melt away...I'm terrified to cut it too close lest I cut the veil itself. I also almost started sewing the veil into the applique as, as I was turning the hoop some it started dragging some of it in. But thankfully I caught it in time. I've also learned that I can do less turning by sewing backwards, which has been working pretty well. The hoop is such a big help at adding control and making sure I don't sew what I don't want to sew. I simply don't know how mom managed to make the wedding gowns she did...no hoop, no stabilizer, no nothing. I'm actually feeling more confident that I may actually get this done.... I've gotten a lot of beads and pearls and such to play with...once the applique is done, I'll have to start designing the beading to cover the lace....so much fun! I had my first stab at dying the monogram in tea, but it came out blotchy so then I bleached it and it came back to white, but slightly off white...almost the color I need, but still too white. So then I tried putting some water color paint on it, but it takes the sheen off the letter. Next step is purchased fabric dye and see if I can't get that to work better than the tea..... |
- Posted by dancingirl (My Page) on Sat, Jan 5, 13 at 9:26
Are you using the clear monofilament thread, or matching the lace with an embroidery thread? I do some machine applique with the clear thread and a small applique stitch on the machine, and it is almost invisible unless right in your face. About 3 small stitches at the edge and then a little zig into the app. piece. It's my quick finish. |
- Posted by AnnieDeighnaugh (My Page) on Sun, Jan 6, 13 at 10:40
Yes, dancingirl, thanks. I'm using the invisible thread, and it really is invisible....it looks great. I'm using the ivory thread in the bobbin. I've ordered more monogram letters so I can play with them for dyeing....and if worse comes to worse, I can always go back to giving machine embroidery a try in the ivory colored thread...I think I need to be more practiced and persistent with that one.... |
- Posted by dancingirl (My Page) on Sun, Jan 6, 13 at 19:17
I hope the bride knows how you are laboring over this monogram! And just think, she;ll wear it for a few minutes and change into her honeymoon outfit & leave it all tossed in a corner. LOL |
- Posted by AnnieDeighnaugh (My Page) on Sun, Jan 6, 13 at 21:10
Yeah, no different from every thanksgiving dinner....you slave and struggle all day or more to make a terrific meal, everyone eats for 10-15 min and then it's down the sewer! |
- Posted by AnnieDeighnaugh (My Page) on Mon, Jan 7, 13 at 8:09
I was also thinking of changing the color of the monogram by hand embroidery over the letter with a creamier thread so that the intermixing of the threads would yield the ivory color I need....I suppose I could try to do that on machine as well....choices, choices. GF suggested taking it to a place where they dye wedding shoes....they should know how to do ivory.... |
- Posted by laurie_2008 (My Page) on Thu, Jan 10, 13 at 23:38
I am very impressed with Annie's process and persistence as well as dancingirl's helpful advice and emcouragement. The pics of the plan on the sheet look amazing. I can't wait to see the real veil! Please continue to post pics : ) Laurie |
- Posted by AnnieDeighnaugh (My Page) on Fri, Jan 11, 13 at 8:31
Thanks for all the kind words... I'm making good progress on the applique....the 2 roses and the 2 long side pieces are yet to be attached, and of course, so is a monogram, but this is where I am so far. I've been tweaking the design as I'm attaching the lace for the final layout...poor hubby has had to "model" the veil for me so I can see how the design looks when walking and for scale. He's such a good sport! It was getting hard to really judge the design though with all the stabilizer behind the lace so yesterday was my first "dunk" into water to remove the stabilizer....so nerve wracking... but it came out just fine. I'll have to dunk again as there's still residual, but it will need to be done after I've attached the final 4 anyway. But as a first run, it went very well. I've been very lucky in that, knock wood, I haven't torn it yet and I haven't accidentally sewn the veil into the applique! I bought some fabric dye to try and dye the monogram ivory....and I have 5 monograms now in total to play with to get it right. Once the applique is done, it will be fun designing the actual beading pattern. I'm not sure I have all the right beads or can get them...I may have to order them from the internet, but I hate to do that as I'd really like to see them up close and personal first. I wish my Mom were here....I still wonder how she did all the applique on the wedding gowns she made...that was before melt away stabilizers, and disappearing ink pens and she only had an old singer machine...none of the nice features like free motion or having the needle stay in the fabric when you stop sewing and no invisible thread. The more I work on this, the more respect I gain for what she's done. |
- Posted by dancingirl (My Page) on Fri, Jan 11, 13 at 19:42
It is truly a work of art..how lucky this bride is to have a friend in you. I see you changed the 'layout' since it was mocked-up on the sheet. REALLY pretty! NO. It is BEAUTIFUL. |
- Posted by dancingirl (My Page) on Fri, Jan 11, 13 at 19:43
It is truly a work of art..how lucky this bride is to have a friend in you. I see you changed the 'layout' since it was mocked-up on the sheet. REALLY pretty! NO. It is BEAUTIFUL. |
- Posted by AnnieDeighnaugh (My Page) on Fri, Jan 11, 13 at 21:05
Ah! You noticed! Yeah I shrunk it back as I thought the monogram was too large, and as you walk, the veil wants to collapse in on itself, so I found it looked better if the design was narrower, but I think it still has enough height and scale that it will work with the dress. |
- Posted by laurie_2008 (My Page) on Sun, Jan 13, 13 at 15:45
"I wish my mom were here.... The more I work on this, the more respect I gain for what she's done". I feel the same way when working on my sewing projects. Thank you for posting the pics of your layout on the veil material. Keep up the good work and continue to post when you can. |
- Posted by AnnieDeighnaugh (My Page) on Tue, Jan 15, 13 at 8:31
Hooray! Machine applique work on the veil is officially done! No tears and no getting the veil caught in the applique! I made a few more tweaks and left out the single roses as I liked the less linear shape better. I showed pics to the bride and she approved wholeheartedly. (Thank goodness!) I told her that at this point, we can always add more, but can't take away. Now starts the fun of playing with the beading. |
- Posted by laurie_2008 (My Page) on Thu, Jan 17, 13 at 19:05
Yeah! I thought the other shape was great, but now that I see your new shape, I agree that it looks even better! Congratulations on your attention to detail and your excellent work. Continue to update us on your progress : ) |
- Posted by AnnieDeighnaugh (My Page) on Fri, Jan 18, 13 at 8:49
Will do....I so appreciate your support and encouragement! I was watching project runway all stars last night and once again Georgina Chapman had on the most stunning marchesa dress with incredible bead work. Sigh.... |
I just logged on this site for the first time in months. Your veil is a very interesting topic and project. I do have a couple of commercial embroidery machines and - after seeing your veil - will try out some of my lace designs on illusion netting just to see what I can do. Yours is wonderful. I did wonder, however, if the weight of the lace and mono had any pull effect on how the veil hangs when being worn. Thanks for posting pictures and all the back and forth of making a lovely veil. I once did a shower curtain as a gift for a friend that took hours and hours of planning, embroidering and purchased designs. My husband called it the 'million dollar shower curtain' because of all that went into making it. I think you have a 'million dollar veil'! Lynn |
- Posted by AnnieDeighnaugh (My Page) on Wed, Jan 23, 13 at 10:02
Thanks Lynn! The veil is cathedral length so will be dragging on the floor beyond her train, so it really isn't affecting how it hangs...it will just keep it on the floor. I think it will tend to pull the edges in though as she walks so I made the design a little narrower so it won't fold in on itself. I also made the veil wider than others she had tried on so if the edges fold, it will still be fairly wide. But it will also help weigh the veil down so it should stay put better than it might with no embellishment. Looking on the web, I also found a place that monograms wedding veils by putting the monogram on a separate oval netting with a border and then attaching it to the veil so it is removable. |
- Posted by AnnieDeighnaugh (My Page) on Wed, Feb 6, 13 at 10:07
I think I've come up with the design for the beading on the veil. Any and all critiques are most welcome as it's all about making the bride and her veil lovely. It's hard to see in the photos, but I think I have enough balance of materials, and my plan is, everywhere a particular flower shows up, to bead it the same. It's a combo of different size silver bugle beads, clear and silver seed beads, clear paillettes, clear and silver sequins. Plus a few other things like czech crystal for one flower center and swarovski crystal, and small rhinestones. I also did some hand embroidery in silver metallic thread around the leaves. I'm meeting with the bride tomorrow to get her comments on it. Hopefully, she'll like it! |
- Posted by dancingirl (My Page) on Thu, Feb 7, 13 at 7:23
This will truly be a work of art worthy of becoming an heirloom to be passed down for generations. You are a very special friend to have created this beautiful veil. I repeat, I hope your friend appreciates all your labor and love. It certainly requires 'love' to go to your extent. She must be as special as you are!! |
- Posted by AnnieDeighnaugh (My Page) on Thu, Feb 7, 13 at 9:02
Well today I'll be going to a bridal shop. I went there and they were kind enough to show me a dress that had beaded lace, but with a more modern interpretation, as it can go old fashioned really quickly. The gal there was most helpful and critiqued the sample I brought so it helped me see what I needed to do. So when I go back, I'll bring my samples with me and ask for more input to see what she thinks.....and the bride is coming tonight for final approval before I start the work for real. Good timing too as we'll probably be getting snowed in over the next couple of days... |
- Posted by AnnieDeighnaugh (My Page) on Fri, Feb 8, 13 at 12:13
I went to the bridal shop and she liked what I did. Bride saw my sample last night and she's delighted with it. So now I just have to get to work on the real veil. |
- Posted by laurie_2008 (My Page) on Fri, Feb 22, 13 at 17:41
It's nice to hear that everything is coming along so well! I like the pictures you posted on the black background. It helps to see all of that beautiful detail. Continue to keep us updated : ) |
- Posted by AnnieDeighnaugh (My Page) on Sat, Feb 23, 13 at 17:27
Thanks, Laurie...I will! I'm almost done with the hand embroidery of the silver metallic threads and then I'll be able to start the beading in earnest. |
- Posted by AnnieDeighnaugh (My Page) on Fri, Mar 8, 13 at 19:11
Update: I'm over halfway done with the hand beading...I can only work on it for 60-90 min per day otherwise my eyes start to bother me, but I'm making good progress and I'm really pleased with how it's coming out.... |
- Posted by AnnieDeighnaugh (My Page) on Fri, Mar 22, 13 at 7:42
Wahoo! I have all the hand beading done and I've dyed the monogram and it came out looking great, but too plain for the rest of the arrangement, so I've hand beaded a row of rocaille down the middle of the monogram and it looks just fine. Next step is to attach the monogram, and then decide if I want to sprinkle swarovski crystals around the veil or not as the bride wants....don't want it to detract from the arrangement, don't want to go too vegas, but do want to keep her happy.... |
- Posted by AnnieDeighnaugh (My Page) on Fri, May 3, 13 at 18:50
I need to take better pics...all the hand beading I did doesn't show up on these..... I'm about 1/3 of the way through sewing the crystals onto the veil. Then I just have to attach it to the comb....getting there though! |
- Posted by AnnieDeighnaugh (My Page) on Sat, May 11, 13 at 17:46
Other than shortening and attaching it to the comb, the veil is done! Huzzah!!! The beading consists of a wide variety of stuff, but I coordinated it with each flower being beaded in the same way regardless of where it occurred on the veil. I used paillets, rocailles, seed beads, bugle beads, czech crystal, swarovski crystal, individually mounted rhinestones, sequins, some jewelry baubles, a few pearls and hand embroidery in silver thread. Now I've got to start on my own dress for the wedding.... |
- Posted by AnnieDeighnaugh (My Page) on Wed, Jul 17, 13 at 19:36
It seems the veil worked....bride wore it down the aisle and now she's married! Wahoo!!! |
- Posted by dancingirl (My Page) on Sun, Jul 21, 13 at 7:34
Oh, gosh darn it! I missed the wedding! I've not been here for a while and just now catching up. What a beautiful job you have done and invested so many long, hard hours ---that's what true friendship really is all about. That bride will always remember your generosity, and surely "love" that went into that creation. Simply beautiful is not enough praise for this special veil. Annie, you done good!! |
- Posted by AnnieDeighnaugh (My Page) on Tue, Jul 23, 13 at 19:47
Thanks, dancingirl, I missed the wedding too...I was in Europe during the wedding...but I look forward to seeing more pics! |
- Posted by laurie_2008 (My Page) on Thu, Jul 25, 13 at 17:53
It turned out beautiful!! Thanks, Annie, for following up with this picture down the aisle. A special part of you WAS at the wedding : ) You did a marvelous job!! |
- Posted by AnnieDeighnaugh (My Page) on Sun, Jul 28, 13 at 21:16
Thanks, Laurie. I certainly was there in spirit. |
- Posted by AnnieDeighnaugh (My Page) on Sun, Jul 28, 13 at 21:17
Thanks, Laurie. I certainly was there in spirit. |
- Posted by AnnieDeighnaugh (My Page) on Thu, Apr 10, 14 at 11:02
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Johnson had five catches for 72 yards in the Bears' 26-24 victory Sunday. Johnson, who broke Hall of Famer Jerry Rice's single-season record for receiving yards Dec. 22 against the Atlanta Falcons, needed 108 yards to become the first player to reach 2,000 receiving yards. He finished the season with 122 catches for 1,964 yards.
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Jonathan smites the Philistines. (1-15) Their defeat. (16-23) Saul forbids the people to eat till evening. (24-35) Jonathan pointed out by lot. (36-46) Saul's family. (47-52)
Verses 1-15 Saul seems to have been quite at a loss, and unable to help himself. Those can never think themselves safe who see themselves out of God's protection. Now he sent for a priest and the ark. He hopes to make up matters with the Almighty by a partial reformation, as many do whose hearts are unhumbled and unchanged. Many love to have ministers who prophesy smooth things to them. Jonathan felt a Divine impulse and impression, putting him upon this bold adventure. God will direct the steps of those that acknowledge him in all their ways, and seek to him for direction, with full purpose of heart to follow his guidance. Sometimes we find most comfort in that which is least our own doing, and into which we have been led by the unexpected but well-observed turns of Divine providence. There was trembling in the host. It is called a trembling of God, signifying, not only a great trembling they could not resist, nor reason themselves out of, but that it came at once from the hand of God. He that made the heart, knows how to make it tremble.
Verses 16-23 The Philistines were, by the power of God, set against one another. The more evident it was that God did all, the more reason Saul had to inquire whether God would give him leave to do any thing. But he was in such haste to fight a fallen enemy, that he would not stay to end his devotions, nor hear what answer God would give him. He that believeth, will not make such haste, nor reckon any business so urgent, as not to allow time to take God with him.
Verses 24-35 Saul's severe order was very unwise; if it gained time, it lost strength for the pursuit. Such is the nature of our bodies, that daily work cannot be done without daily bread, which therefore our Father in heaven graciously gives. Saul was turning aside from God, and now he begins to build altars, being then most zealous, as many are, for the form of godliness when he was denying the power of it.
Verses 36-46 If God turns away our prayer, we have reason to suspect it is for some sin harboured in our hearts, which we should find out, that we may put it away, and put it to death. We should always first suspect and examine ourselves; but an unhumbled heart suspects every other person, and looks every where but at home for the sinful cause of calamity. Jonathan was discovered to be the offender. Those most indulgent to their own sins are most severe upon others; those who most disregard God's authority, are most impatient when their own commands are slighted. Such as cast abroad curses, endanger themselves and their families. What do we observe in the whole of Saul's behaviour on this occasion, but an impetuous, proud, malignant, impious disposition? And do we not in every instance perceive that man, left to himself, betrays the depravity of his nature, and is enslaved to the basest tempers.
Verses 47-52 Here is a general account of Saul's court and camp. He had little reason to be proud of his royal dignity, nor had any of his neighbours cause to envy him, for he had but little enjoyment after he took the kingdom. And often men's earthly glory makes a blaze just before the dark night of disgrace and woe comes on them.
1 Samuel 14:1-14 . JONATHAN MIRACULOUSLY SMITES THE PHILISTINES' GARRISON.
1. the Philistines' garrison--"the standing camp" ( 1 Samuel 13:23 , Margin) "in the passage of Michmash" ( 1 Samuel 13:16 ), now Wady Es-Suweinit. "It begins in the neighborhood of Betin (Beth-el) and El-Bireh (Beetroth), and as it breaks through the ridge below these places, its sides form precipitous walls. On the right, about a quarter of an acre below, it again breaks off, and passes between high perpendicular precipices" [ROBINSON].
2. Saul tarried in the uttermost part of Gibeah--Hebrew, "Geba"; entrenched, along with Samuel and Ahiah the high priest, on the top of one of the conical or spherical hills which abound in the Benjamite territory, and favorable for an encampment, called Migron ("a precipice").
4. between the passages--that is, the deep and great ravine of Suweinit.
Jonathan sought to go over unto the Philistines' garrison--a distance of about three miles running between two jagged points; Hebrew, "teeth of the cliff."
there was a sharp rock on the one side, and a sharp rock on the other side . . . Bozez--("shining") from the aspect of the chalky rock.
Seneh--("the thorn") probably from a solitary acacia on its top. They are the only rocks of the kind in this vicinity; and the top of the crag towards Michmash was occupied as the post of the Philistines. The two camps were in sight of each other; and it was up the steep rocky sides of this isolated eminence that Jonathan and his armorbearer ( 1 Samuel 14:6 ) made their adventurous approach. This enterprise is one of the most gallant that history or romance records. The action, viewed in itself, was rash and contrary to all established rules of military discipline, which do not permit soldiers to fight or to undertake any enterprise that may involve important consequences without the order of the generals.
6. it may be that the Lord will work for us--This expression did not imply a doubt; it signified simply that the object he aimed at was not in his own power--but it depended upon God--and that he expected success neither from his own strength nor his own merit.
9, 10. if they say, Come up unto us; then we will go up: for the Lord hath delivered them into our hand--When Jonathan appears here to prescribe a sign or token of God's will, we may infer that the same spirit which inspired this enterprise suggested the means of its execution, and put into his heart what to ask of God.
11. Behold, the Hebrews come forth out of the holes--As it could not occur to the sentries that two men had come with hostile designs, it was a natural conclusion that they were Israelite deserters. And hence no attempt was made to hinder their ascent, or stone them.
14, 15. that first slaughter, which Jonathan and his armour-bearer made, was about twenty men, within as it were an half acre of land, which a yoke of oxen might plow--This was a very ancient mode of measurement, and it still subsists in the East. The men who saw them scrambling up the rock had been surprised and killed, and the spectacle of twenty corpses would suggest to others that they were attacked by a numerous force. The success of the adventure was aided by a panic that struck the enemy, produced both by the sudden surprise and the shock of an earthquake. The feat was begun and achieved by the faith of Jonathan, and the issue was of God.
16. the watchmen of Saul . . . looked--The wild disorder in the enemies' camp was described and the noise of dismay heard on the heights of Gibeah.
17-19. Then said Saul unto the people that were with him, Number now, and see who is gone from us--The idea occurred to him that it might be some daring adventurer belonging to his own little troop, and it would be easy to discover him.
18. Saul said unto Ahiah, Bring hither the ark of God--There is no evidence that the ark had been brought from Kirjath-jearim. The Septuagint version is preferable; which, by a slight variation of the text, reads, "the ephod"; that is, the priestly cape, which the high priest put on when consulting the oracle. That this should be at hand is natural, from the presence of Ahiah himself, as well as the nearness of Nob, where the tabernacle was then situated.
19. Withdraw thine hand--The priest, invested with the ephod, prayed with raised and extended hands. Saul perceiving that the opportunity was inviting, and that God appeared to have sufficiently declared in favor of His people, requested the priest to cease, that they might immediately join in the contest. The season for consultation was past--the time for prompt action was come.
20-22. Saul and all the people--All the warriors in the garrison at Gibeah, the Israelite deserters in the camp of the Philistines, and the fugitives among the mountains of Ephraim, now all rushed to the pursuit, which was hot and sanguinary.
23. So the Lord saved Israel that day: and the battle passed over unto Beth-aven--that is, "Beth-el." It passed over the forest, now destroyed, on the central ridge of Palestine, then over to the other side from the eastern pass of Michmash ( 1 Samuel 14:31 ), to the western pass of Aijalon, through which they escaped into their own plains.
24. Saul had adjured the people--Afraid lest so precious an opportunity of effectually humbling the Philistine power might be lost, the impetuous king laid an anathema on any one who should taste food until the evening. This rash and foolish denunciation distressed the people, by preventing them taking such refreshments as they might get on the march, and materially hindered the successful attainment of his own patriotic object.
25. all they of the land came to a wood; and there was honey--The honey is described as "upon the ground," "dropping" from the trees, and in honeycombs--indicating it to be bees' honey. "Bees in the East are not, as in England, kept in hives; they are all in a wild state. The forests literally flow with honey; large combs may be seen hanging on the trees as you pass along, full of honey" [ROBERTS].
31-34. the people were very faint. And the people flew upon the spoil--at evening, when the time fixed by Saul had expired. Faint and famishing, the pursuers fell voraciously upon the cattle they had taken, and threw them on the ground to cut off their flesh and eat them raw, so that the army, by Saul's rashness, were defiled by eating blood, or living animals; probably, as the Abyssinians do, who cut a part of the animal's rump, but close the hide upon it, and nothing mortal follows from that wound. They were painfully conscientious in keeping the king's order for fear of the curse, but had no scruple in transgressing God's command. To prevent this violation of the law, Saul ordered a large stone to be rolled, and those that slaughtered the oxen to cut their throats on that stone. By laying the animal's head on the high stone, the blood oozed out on the ground, and sufficient evidence was afforded that the ox or sheep was dead before it was attempted to eat it.
45. the people rescued Jonathan, that he died not--When Saul became aware of Jonathan's transgression in regard to the honey, albeit it was done in ignorance and involved no guilt, he was, like Jephthah [ Judges 11:31 Judges 11:35 ], about to put his son to death, in conformity with his vow [ 1 Samuel 14:44 ]. But the more enlightened conscience of the army prevented the tarnishing the glory of the day by the blood of the young hero, to whose faith and valor it was chiefly due.
47, 48. So Saul . . . fought against all his enemies on every side--This signal triumph over the Philistines was followed, not only by their expulsion from the land of Israel, but by successful incursions against various hostile neighbors, whom he harassed though he did not subdue them.


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Posted: Fri Jun 26, 2009 6:48 pm
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Squee was surprised to learn about this:
Squee's a huge fan of Avatar: The Last Airbender. It's one of the best american cartoons in years. This live-action move based on it leaves me...skeptical for many reasons. Not the least of which is the director. M. Night Shyamalan? While he has made some good (and mediocre) films, his style certainly isn't what I would connect with Avatar. Especially since his more recent films have been getting increasingly worse...
And making it live-action is...meh. Wish we had a movie animation market like Japan where something like this could remain animated and still do well at box office (and not be toned down to only be watched by 4-year olds). While Avatar certainly has its childish moments (it WAS nickelodeon, after all), what made it great was its surprisingly more complex plot and characters. It's not just something for young kids like most cartoons are nowadays...and that's something I wish could hit movies and do well
Another problem is the nature of doing a movie rendition of a 4 season series. It's gonna lose a lot, since it looks to be at least a partial retelling (supposedly a planned trilogy).
Still, it's got promise in its live-action form. It will certainly help in dropping the more kiddie elements of the cartoon at least. Hopefully they'll at least keep around some of the light-heartedness though. Considering Shyamalan's history of overly-serious, suspense-through-obscurity-and-long-shots films though...I'm still worried
That said, the visuals look nice in that trailer
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Agree with you almost point for point squee. It'll be interesting to see what they do, but wish they could just make an animated movie instead. And Shyamalan, I think, is probably the wrong choice entirely.
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*cough* It's actually only a three season show. My dad and I are half way through the last one on dvd. I don't have cable unfortunately and never got to watch it "live" per se.
Also, according to wikipedia, they're going to make a trilogy out of it, so they won't have to cram three seasons into one movie, which they probably COULD do, but not well.
Anyhow! I really don't mind that they've done it live action. The fire nation warships look pretty awesome and true to the original design.
My beef with this movie is them not staying true to the multiculturalism of the of cartoon series. It's improved since they brought on Shymalan, but Aang is still played by a white guy,
Noah Ringer
, but........ in that shot, he actually looks pretty darn close to the animated version, so I won't go off about HIM.
Dev Patel (Slumdog Millionaire, awesome movie) is a recent replacement for whoever they had playing Zuko. Which, while I like Dev and he does apparently have a black belt in some martial art, I think is a rather odd choice. The fire nation is obviously supposed to be an oriental race, just like the water tribe is inuit/native american.
Why not just get
Dante Basco
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look like Katara to you? PFFFFFT. C'mon. She looks almost younger than Aang's actor. The actor for Sokka is an odd choice too - maybe get Dev to play HIM instead?
Anyhow. I'mma stop whining about it now. I hope they'll do a good job of it despite my issues with it.
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I'm horribly picky about adaptations, so I remain skeptical, and agree with you almost word for word Squee. I loved the series, but I've always been super cynical about television series being made into movies, or visa versa. From what I've seen, they just don't work out too well. I have hope, but . . . And Shyamalan? That does seem very odd. I can't say much for the actors, though I think I agree with the Lady's comments on them. The actor playing Katara doesn't look a thing like her - I wonder how they're going to pull it off? I hope for the best, prepare for the worst, and await more details.
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Auhh... the bo.... What is that kid doing? That was the best take they had? Geez....
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Out of a love of Avatar, I'm going to just hope it's really good and try to forget everyone involved in making it and every horrible apadatation movie until after I see it.
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Squee wasn't gonna point out the actors simply because that's a normal hollywood thing...Getting ethnicity right is something that only tends to happen in more serious or period movies
Squee could do quite an essay on the problems with race in hollywood but...not worth it
And yes, Squee's bad on the number of seasons...For some reason having the full set of DVDs sitting on Squee's desk didn't quite keep Squee from making that mistake.
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I agree with Rolaoi. I'm going to reserve judgment until I see it. I got chills from watching the trailer, and I LOVE the fire nation ships' design. The show was surprisingly wonderful, and I just finished watching it a few weeks ago. <3 Sokka.
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Ah, Avatar! I hope that a good chunk of the original creative staff are called in for the movie so that it can keep a good sense of continuity with the 'feeling' of the series. I'm going to give it the benefit of the doubt until I see the thing, or at least try, but Hollywood has such a penchant for ruining good things. Far over the ratio of what they take and (heaven forbid) make better! But, there's always the chance. M Night Shamalan is an odd choice though.
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Sparrow!? Ohmigosh, when did you come back? ^_____^
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Hey Tinu! My lunch breaks at work are too long :) I wandered back here to find some good, old fashioned procrastinating as I watch the clock tick down to when I have to go back to the lab.
I had another thought regarding the movie, and its live action state-of-affairs. I'm reminded of what 'they*' did with Heroes, trying to get the special effects for the powers down just so with the actors, and somehow the big battles always come off a little hookey and not believable. (More specifically Season one Peter vs Sylar final battle, for any of you Heroes fans out there.) D: Hopefully the guys working on Avatar rework the process and find a better way to integrate the special effects.
*not really sure who I mean by 'they,' more-over the 'powers that be' :)
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Probably if they try to keep it more understated, it will work out better. Although it's probably kind of hard to keep fire bending understated..
And it's so good to see you Sparrow!
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My beef with this movie is them not staying true to the multiculturalism of the of cartoon series. It's improved since they brought on Shymalan, but Aang is still played by a white guy,
Noah Ringer
, but........ in that shot, he actually looks pretty darn close to the animated version, so I won't go off about HIM.
Of the four leads, Noah Ringer being cast as Aang actually bothers me the least since Aang looks Caucasian (wide blue eyes and all). Given that Ringer also has some martial arts training, I believe he isn't a bad choice; let's just see how he pulls off Aang's goofiness AND incredible focus.
Dev Patel being cast as Zuko confuses me due to the aesthetics and behavioral code of the Fire Nation. Thankfully he is a talented actor with an impressive resume of skills to inform his role.
I'm willing to give the actors playing Katara and Sokka a chance, but with there being so many talented Aboriginal or Metis actors available (one of my classmates younger sister is a dead-ringer for Katara and has picked up some film work), I wonder what made them cast these two over other potential actors. I guess only their performances will tell.
Despite some reservations, I definitely will be heading to see this in theatre with the hopes that the awesomeness that is avatar will not be squandered for a quick buck.
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Ah yes... this was the best part of Transformers 2.
I'm dead serious.
Anywho, I'm gonna wait before I get pre-concived notions about whether or not this movie will be good. Yes, Shyamalan, is a bit of an odd choice for this movie, however, he's never really done anything like this. He's done his suspenseful thrillers and I guess, "scary movies" but never really anything up this alley. So who knows, maybe this is his true calling in life. I'm willing to give him a chance. My only problem is with Shyamalan is that he has a tendency to not use a ton of action. Mainly relies on the sounds and the imagination of the audience to make his movies work. Not that it's a bad things, I just hope, hope, HOPE, he doesn't try it here. This movie had better have enough action and since it's probably targeted at those kids who watched Avatar on Nick, he better not expect too much abstract thinking going on.
Also, I'm proud to say that Avatar was the last real bonding experience me and my roomies had. Watched it all finals week. One of the neighbor's sisters had all 3 books and brought them over. Luckily I only had 2 finals that were spaced really far apart so it didn't hurt me too bad, I don't know about everyone else though. But now I'm re-watching them online where i can find with my nieces and I already have them hooked. I'm really terribly proud of that fact.
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I just finished watching the 3 seasons of Avatar while I was in America last month. A friend there has them all. I loved it... i hope the movie is good, i'll go see it and cross my fingers...
Just like I go to see every Harry Potter movie and cross my fingers... one can live in hope eh?
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I am absolutely amazed that for one I managed to get the PS4. Unfortunately I am unable to comment on the product at present as it is a xmas gift. I have however reread about the product and it sounds amazing, my son for whom it is intended has talked about it non stop and knows how different the product is from the PS3. The IWOOT site and purchase was quick and efficient and to top it all my PS4 arrived on the exact date they told me it would. I am extremely impressed by IWOOT and have recommended you to at least 6 of my friends since I bought from you so hopefully you will find more customers accessing this excellent site and wonderful efficient service. Extremely happy and delighted. Kind regards Patti