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Master4th |
I was a 2.5 owner for 4 years. It had its moments The 2.5's come with AX4/5 tranny, I broke 2 of these in 3 years, (switched to NV4500/Atlas 2 Tcase). I can be somewhat heavy footed and the 2.5 just never had the get up and go. With 31s on it I had a terrible time keeping it at 65 mph on the highway. (Unless I was got up behind someone to cut the wind resistance) On the plus side, that engine was a soldier. It could take the hard daily driving I put it through. It made several trips from DC to Chicago without a problem. After I finally put it out to pasture, I could come back after 6 months and start it up without adding any gas to the tank. My recomendation is get the 6 cylinder. |
Todd Penn | When did they change the 2.5 into a 2.4? My 2006 had a 2.4 and was wondering if anyone on here had one. All I'm seeing everyone talk about is the 2.5. Middle finger | |
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kj 92yj |
i bet it has a 2.5 in it! well dammit, it was supposed to copy over jkaufman_95 rocket pic.....oh well...good humor lost... |
Xpress |
My shift light doesn't even work. There's no reason for you to have to shift so early- you're basically giving yourself a 1000rpm power range with that light. Plus you shouldn't be paying attention to your dash clusters as much as you should be paying attention to just driving. Remember that Chrysler did not build the engine.. Most modern 4 cylinder engines cruise at highway RPM's between 2700 and 3000rpm. |
jr78racer |
i highly doubt that jeep wanted us to keep our motors at 2900 and above all the time as the shift light comes on at 2000 and cruising speed in 5th gear is below 2900 (at the speed limit of course hahaha). yes the shift light is set retardedly low, but i'm just saying............... |
Xpress |
Manufacturing defects do exist, however you are the first I've ever heard with a blown head gasket at such a low mileage. However, there is still the question of how the engine was maintained. |
jkaufman_95 |
Xpress |
You can't just blanket the 2.5L as a "bad engine" because you saw a picture of a rod blown out of the side of it. I could post up pics of hundreds of engines with blown out rods. Hell, I could post pictures of a 2011 Toyota 5.7L V8 engine with a totally destroyed cylinder from a valve breaking inside. Does that mean the engine is a bad motor altogether? Absolutely not, there's too many contributing factors that can cause an engine to fail: everything from not maintaining oil levels to just never maintaining it entirely. The 2.5L engine was designed to run in a particular RPM range, and that RPM range is between 2900-3500rpm. You can run it in a lower range, but it's NOT over revving an engine to run it where a manufacturer designed it to. Diesel engines run at full throttle all the time. Why? Because they were designed to. |
jr78racer |
Xpress |
2000 lbs is a stock jeeps towing capacity, either 2.5L OR 4.0. Remember what you have sitting underneath the rear of your Jeep. That being said I have seen 2.5L Jeeps towing cars before. It's not that the engine CAN'T handle it, it's that the frame, brakes, and axles weren't designed to handle it. I have NO doubts a 2.5L could tow a 5000lb load. At what speed it can do it probably wouldn't be much over 55mph on a flat road. BUT, the question is, can your frame, axle and brakes handle it? Stock brakes? No, they're sufficient for the Jeep itself, but unless you get some better brake calipers and vented disk brakes then you will probably overheat them and lose all of your stopping power. Stock Dana 35? I wouldn't, especially since 31" tires is the max that axle realistically can handle. Stock frame? Probably could handle the loads, but you're going to need some 1/4" steel placed in the right places to handle it. Vehicles made for towing stuff often have beefed up frames and axles to handle such loads. ------------------------------ REMEMBER: YOUR EXPERIENCES MAY AND ABSOLUTELY CAN VARY!!! I know people who can't even manage 65mph on the freeway on flat ground with their 2.5L, and they've got the right gears for their 33" tires too. I do it daily, and I can hold 65mph without much sweat. Drop the hammer and she gets up and scoots, with passing power too!! Just today I passed up 2 LARGE tour style buses that were doing 65mph on the highway. Decided I didn't want to get stuck behind them so I took my only opportunity and went around them. |
Nubby55 |
XXX222 I'll tow with my cummings 5.9 and I'll ride in my Jeep, unless I'm towing it with with my Dodge 5.9! |
Yjpower94 | 2.5 all the way | |
jr78racer |
A WRANGLER WAS NOT DESIGNED TO HAUL 6000lbs!!!!!!! end of story. i call b.s. on this whole story with experience to back me up. MY JEEP, MY CURRENT 2.5L 5 speed wrangler had to be enlisted to pull a 2000 dodge neon on a tow dolly from 50 miles away because my truck was down. by the way a dodge neon only weighs about 2500lbs and the dolly maybe 400lbs. thats only a combined weight of maybe 3000lbs. and the 2.5L BARELY had the nuts to pull said neon home and that was winding it up to keep it in its powerband and frequent 3rd to 4th up and downshifts to maintain 55. let alone the fact that i had to slip the hell out of the clutch just to get it to START the load moving. snide comments my ass. if you actually are pulling that kind of load behind a wrangler, regardless of the hitch set up and brakes, you should permanently have your license revoked and possibly some jail time as that is criminal endangerment to everyone on the road. but not for a minute due i actually believe even 1% of your b.s. story as i have owned several jeeps of various vintages and models. i know their capabilities and their shortcomings and your story is just that B.S. |
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ballistx |
understand I understand fully. However, the frame ratings on all are modified with the application of an equalizing hitch. Typically the equalizer hitch is bolted to the frame rails only. That adds additional cross bracing as well as vertical stabilization. The typical Class III equalizer hitches for a Wrangler only address the downward vertical pressure and their interconnection to the frame is such that it adds virtually nothing to the cross stabilization. The Coliburn is the only hitch that I found that interconnected to the frame in such a manner as to give good vertical and lateral support. However, it did not fully address the upward thrust that is applied with the equalizer bars, especially not 1,000 lb bars and 600+ lbs of tongue weight that has to be redistributed partially to the front axle. To compensate, I used a 1 1/2" x 1 1/2" x 1/4" angle iron across the bottom of their hitch and welded to their hitch across the horizontal tube. I then bolted that into the cross member of the frame. This reinforced the frame to the point where it was far in excess of what was required. The Coliburn hitch has 1/4" flat bars that are about 6" in height that extend from the ends of the hitch forward and tie into the frame about 9" ahead of the rear cross member. These are welded over the ends of the cross bar of the equalizer hitch. In fact, they are the only thing now holding the frame together on the rear passenger side as it is rusted amost totally through and is the reason for an upcoming frame off. Rest assured, that frame, and hitch assembly is much stronger than the XJ's and their ratings. And I have owned several of the XJ's and have towed quite extensively with them. Actually the tow rating of an XJ IS 5,000 lbs. So the snide comments before in this post are absolutely rediculous, and insulting! If people are going to make insulting snide comments, they at least should be sure they have reasonable facts! That Wrangler, set up the way it was, towing a 6,000 lb trailer was more stable and safer than a 1/2 ton pickup towing its rated trailer on a single ball hitch. Done both and can speak from ACTUAL experience with the rigs in question, which is FAR more than most making the snide comments can! |
DirtyRob |
According to the owners manual, the frame on Wrangler is rated at 2,200 lbs towing. Good luck. Noone is out to get you or anything, I personally just feel it is necessary to post what I have found so others don't try this and kill someone and say "I heard you could tow 6,000lbs easily." I have towed a single wide about 1mile with my old Waggoneer to get it off my property, the Jeep was way over weight, and i would never do that again. i admit i have no idea what the trailer weighed, but it took a lot to get it moving and stopped. It was an old 12x50 single wide the fire dept. said i couldn't burn it so i gave it away to someone down the road :-) |
ballistx |
issue The issue wasn't braking, frame capacity, etc. The issue was whether the 2.5 had the torque to pull the 29' trailer on the highway. The issue wasn't 9% grades either. Best to keep within the scope of what was done/said. If you had read all that I posted you would have read that I have towed for 40 years in all kinds of situations, towing just these kinds of loads with a wide variety of vehicles in all kinds of terrains and all kinds of weather. It was situations where there wasn't an easy choice to just get a bigger rig, or not go. I HAVE thrown on the trailer brakes on 9% downgrades because I HAD to due to the circumstances. I have experienced just how much braking that trailer will supply when the towing vehicle brakes have faded out. I HAVE had the towing vehicle and towed vehicle totally crossways on the interstate on solid ice covered roads and pulled it out without crashing. I HAVE slammed them into the ditch to avoid on coming vehicles in my lane and pulled them out too. I have never crashed or damaged a vehicle towing either. Well, except once when the highway blew up under the trailer and took out all the plumbing. I have pulled mountain roads with a trailer where there had to be spotters because half of the tire was off the edge of the road (vertical drop) in order to get through. As far as the frame capacity, the frame on the Wrangler is a boxed frame and is just as substantial (or MORE) as most other vehicles with 6,000 lb tow ratings. Again, not talking about 30,000 lb loads behind the Wrangler. On short/panic stopping a properly equipped trailer will/can lock all wheels with the ebrakes. If that is only 20% of the stopping I would love to see your engineering calculations supporting that. I guess you are saying that all recreational trailers only supply 20%, or less, of the braking? I would appreciate if those addressing towing a 6,000 lb trailer would keep things in perspective. It is only a 6,000 lb trailer. It isn't a 33 ton loaded semi. It isn't a go cart in front either. It is a leaf spring equipped tow vehicle that has just as strong a frame as virtually ANY vehicle out there with a FACTORY rated 6,000 lb towing capacity. The swept brake area of the braking system is also equivalent to virtually EVERY vehicle out there with a 6,000 lb tow rating. Now I suppose one of you will HAVE to compare that to a 1 ton dually with a 15,000 lb tow rating and say that has more. KEEP IT IN PERSPECTIVE! The ONLY difference between the Wrangler and the other 6,000 lb tow rated vehicles is the length of wheel base and possibly the torque of the engine! Finally, I never said anything about picking the 2.5 over the 4.0. In fact, I would prefer the 4.0 over the 2.5 in virtually all situations. However, the 2.5 is totally adequate for the vast majority of uses/users. True off roaders comprise ONLY about 5% of the Wrangler users even if they are probably 90% of those on this forum. If I had the choice between two identical YJ's, 1 with 4.0 and 1 with 2.5, I would pick the 4.0 hands down. But if the 4.0 was more expensive, it hadn't better be much because it IS only marginally better across the board and not worth much more than the 2.5 equipped vehicle. That is based on the way I would use it. Admittedly you can derive numerous situations where the 4.0 will be paramount, BUT if those are not part of the useage of the vehicle, then what is the difference? I don't care if it can't throw the mud from the cleats, I don't intend to use it that way, except MAYBE once during a hunting season and I have a winch to use instead of putting that much extra stress on the vehicle. Also, when hunting I carry a full set of 4wheel CHAINS and when it gets that bad, I chain it up rather than abuse the vehicle! My object isn't to throw mud, or to prove a point, or to test what I and the vehicle can do. Those are all ligitimate uses. However, MY objective is to get from point A to point B to do what I intend to do at point B, and I use the vehicle for that job. I try to limit the abuse because I HAVE to have it to get back out. |
jkaufman_95 |
I just read this thread and I cant believe why someone would ever take a 2.4/2.5 over a 4.0 this is why I own the 4.0 Inline Six!! 1. on the highway I like to pass people that are going to slow, I like to do 75mph up a 9% incline. 2. Reliability I worked at a dodge chrysler jeep dealership as a technician for two years. I have seen only 2 4.0 with head problems, now for the four cyilnders I have seen six total were blown up three of them threw rods. 3. Better gas mpg when modified with my 92 yj with the 4.0 I can manage 17-18 mpg at 65-70 mph on road trips with 34-12.50-16 MT's n 4:10 gears, I would like to see a four cylinder do that. 4. Offroad sometimes you need 4hi to get you through obstacles, silk glacier sand, thick mud, gravle rocky climbs well you need wheel spin to clear out your tires and keep your momentum going 4 high is your friend in many cases offroad. You cannot compare between the 4 and 6 cyl the 6 is better in every way hands down, sure the four cyl works but its not the best. O and to the guy who said he pulled a 29 foot trailer across the country with his wrangler, calling BS I dont care if it had trailer brakes you would fu##### die going down a mountian pass trailer brakes ONLY provide maybe 20 percent of the braking plus all that tongue weight would bend your frame. Trust me I have driven overloaded trucks on alaskan mountian passes and allmost got killed when a 45 foot float trailer broke the rear sub frame on my gmc 5500 going down a pass. il post some pictures up if you dont think it can happen. Sorry for the bad grammar on my phone. |
jr78racer |
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ballistx |
never had it weighed But it was the older style with the wooden frame so I would guestimate in the 6,000 lb range. That is about what it pulled like. The Jeep Grand Wagoneer with the old 6cyl was much heavier and had a 5,000 lb tow rating. You throw in the automatic and and that makes it even more anemic compared to a 5 speed. I guess I don't understand all the hupila that towing 5,000 or 6,000 lbs behind the 2.5 L is anything astronomical. If you bother to check the tow ratings of gas engines you will find that the "recommended" torque limitations limit out at about 55:1 weight:ftlb torque. That is about what the 2.5 is towing a 5,000 lb load. The I6 FI and a 5 spd should readily be able to tow into the 8,000 lb range. Two of the brothers in the stock car crew towed the paving machines, manufactured where they worked, for delivery. They took half ton 74 Ford pickups and towed them from Huron, SD to both coasts. Those rigs, on their trailers, weighed in close to 22,000 lb! Yes, they burned a set of valves about every 2 trips. but they pulled them at highway speeds. That would have been about a 75:1 ratio. |
jr78racer | kinda curious what the gross weight of that 29' trailer that a 2.5L wrangler supposedly pulled | |
ballistx |
not anymore Used to work on them. I had responsibility for the UHF/VHF radio network for the territory from West Yellowstone to Jackson Hole, WY to Wells NV to Boise ID. Included 5 mountain ranges. Had a UHF backbone with repeaters 125 miles apart and all dual frequency VHF mobiles for line crews, etc. Didn't have any help so I had all design/install/maint/repair. Haven't messed with it for over 20 years though. Also had substations, etc. talking into. Also had all SCADA, transfer trip, relaying, metering etc that Bonneville Power had in that region. Screwed up and never got my license (wasn't necessary for gvt) or ham license. Now I wish I had. Do they still need morse for ham? |
Ibuildembig | You a two way man? | |
baileybeetle | i got my straight in 99 3 years old still have it drive it ever day just got a 2006 wanger x what of course a straight 6 !!!!!! | |
baileybeetle | straight 6 all the way | |
ballistx |
setup for towing The set up is the same whether towing with the 98 Dodge 360 quad cab 8' box or the Wrangler. The hitch is the Reese equalizer with 1,000 lb bars and the dual cam action sway control. I've had the necessity, and recreational use, to tow a wide variety of equipment with a wide variety of tow vehicles. From many miles of towing experience, the Wrangler with that setup towing the 29' trailer is much more stable, laterally, than towing my 19' with the old 69 Jeep Super Wagoneer without the sway control and just the equalizer bars. And yes, I was running 70-75 all the way on the trip back from Sturgis. Admittedly there was absolutely no wind. The flags along the way were hanging straight down. I did an experiment with the Line Foreman on a trip to challenge the Nuclear Lab security at the Idaho National Engineering Lab. They were bleeding into my UHF radio network and wouldn't admit it. I needed to get up above them in the mountains and run radio tests. The only way up there was with the big snow cat (12,000 lb on a 7,000 lb trailer). We hooked it up behind the 77 Jeep Wagoneer with the 360 and T-18 four speed. The Line Foreman was driving and we went out there and part way back at 70, no issues. Part way back the Line Foreman was going on that the sway control and equalizer weren't significant as they hauled everything with the pintle hooks on their big rigs. So, I had him stop and dropped off the sway bars. We were at the bottom of a small dessert swale. He got going about 30 mph at the top and over the hump started to lose it. He played hell, even with the brake controller to get it stopped. Had to nurse it to the bottom and let it drain off on the next up take. Put the bars back on and ran 70 the rest of the way back to the shop. He had all his smaller rigs down getting "updated" the next day. You can tell how well it is working when you either pass a semi or are passed by one going the same way. If it isn't working right the end of the rig that is meeting the lateral wind shear will move first. With the sway control on, and set up right, when the semi passes the entire rig will push sideways as one unit. When a semi passed from the rear, as his cab would come even with the back of the trailer you could feel the pressure on the Wrangler being pushed sideways. Nothing any more significant than with any other tow vehicle as they will all pressure when there is that much side pressure. As far as emergency stopping, After 40 years of towin, I have been in the typical amount of panic stops and diversions and have never felt that the Wrangler was any less stable than the other moderate wheel base vehicles, such as the Wagoneers, Cherokees and Grand Cherokees that I have had. I have had over 30 jeeps in my life and have towed significant items with many of them. So, I don't come from a keyboard assessment. In one hunting trip into the Bear Mountains in Idaho we were going upgrade when the snow got deeper and deeper. When I started pushing it with the front bumper it was obvious we weren't going much higher and there was absolutely no turn around the the past 3/4 mile. That meant backing down that 3/4 mile of winding mountain trail. That was with a Jeep Wagoneer and a 19' trailer. My experience comes from being behind the wheel in snow, ice, mountains, deserts, interstates to mountain trails towing work and recreational equipment where it was absolutely imperative to go. In one trip up to my mountain top repeater site on Ryan's Ridge behind Garns Mountain we had 2 wagoneers (chained), and 1 snow cat breaking trail through 17 miles of winter mountain 1 track trail in a blizzard. We ended up stripping all of the winch line off both winches and sledding the rigs with the snow cat to get them out before we had to leave them for the winter. That was in October. Obviously, if given a choice I will use the biggest rig available to tow with. However, the Wrangler, on reasonably flat terrain, can tow significant loads when properly set up. It cannot handle the likes of Teton Pass if the intent is to not block traffic. It can get up there, but VERY slowly. And coming down would definitely take some even slower going. Otherwise the trailer brakes would definitely overhead and, being drum, would fade out. |
jkaufman_95 |
1. NO wrangler should tow a 29 foot trailer. That could whip your jeep around if you really had to set it down. 2. I've never seen a 4 cylinder do over 80 so I doubt your doing 75 with 6k of dead weight on the back 3. One word : pickup. 4. Even with electronic brakes that's not a safe system. (I'd assume and hope your at least using weight distribution bars) |
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These tires came on some HED Jet 5 wheels that I purchased and are the tires that HED did aero test s with. First thing I noticed is the significantly better grip when you run your finger across them so that is a plus. Have used them under racing conditions and am very pleased. These holding up well and will buy these as replacements when the time comes.
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I read some where in the reviews that one of the tires exploded. I had that happen to me, took to the bike shop where I purchased it. I only had 100 miles on it or so, the Tech told showed me why. These are directional tires and if you put them on rotating the wrong way, thats what happens. I have had great success with these tires, I have had 1 flat in over 3500 miles. They are ready to be changed here in the next week. I will not use any tire other than these. Great tire. I ride 150 to 250 miles a week.
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Well bought these tires after reading and a friend said she had great results,with hers,well the are fast tires for sure , but as far as puncture resisietence. not good at all. you have to check them carefully when you get a flat. to and they are snug on your innnertube I have had more than one blow when putting air in. when you are paying as much for a bike tire as you do for a car tire they should be better quality not satisfied . just be forwarned,
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The sepulchre found to be empty. (1-10) Christ appears to Mary. (11-18) He appears to the disciples. (19-25) The unbelief of Thomas. (26-29) Conclusion. (30,31)
Verses 1-10 If Christ gave his life a ransom, and had not taken it again, it would not have appeared that his giving it was accepted as satisfaction. It was a great trial to Mary, that the body was gone. Weak believers often make that the matter of complaint, which is really just ground of hope, and matter of joy. It is well when those more honoured than others with the privileges of disciples, are more active than others in the duty of disciples; more willing to take pains, and run hazards, in a good work. We must do our best, and neither envy those who can do better, nor despise those who do as well as they can, though they come behind. The disciple whom Jesus loved in a special manner, and who therefore in a special manner loved Jesus, was foremost. The love of Christ will make us to abound in every duty more than any thing else. He that was behind was Peter, who had denied Christ. A sense of guilt hinders us in the service of God. As yet the disciples knew not the Scripture; they Christ must rise again from the dead.
Verses 11-18 We are likely to seek and find, when we seek with affection, and seek in tears. But many believers complain of the clouds and darkness they are under, which are methods of grace for humbling their souls, mortifying their sins, and endearing Christ to them. A sight of angels and their smiles, will not suffice, without a sight of Jesus, and God's smiles in him. None know, but those who have tasted it, the sorrows of a deserted soul, which has had comfortable evidences of the love of God in Christ, and hopes of heaven, but has now lost them, and walks in darkness; such a wounded spirit who can bear? Christ, in manifesting himself to those that seek him, often outdoes their expectations. See how Mary's heart was in earnest to find Jesus. Christ's way of making himself known to his people is by his word; his word applied to their souls, speaking to them in particular. It might be read, Is it my Master? See with what pleasure those who love Jesus speak of his authority over them. He forbids her to expect that his bodily presence look further, than the present state of things. Observe the relation to God, from union with Christ. We, partaking of a Divine nature, Christ's Father is our Father; and he, partaking of the human nature, our God is his God. Christ's ascension into heaven, there to plead for us, is likewise an unspeakable comfort. Let them not think this earth is to be their home and rest; their eye and aim, and earnest desires, must be upon another world, and this ever upon their hearts, I ascend, therefore I must seek the things which are above. And let those who know the word of Christ, endeavour that others should get good from their knowledge.
Verses 19-25 This was the first day of the week, and this day is afterwards often mentioned by the sacred writers; for it was evidently set apart as the Christian sabbath, in remembrance of Christ's resurrection. The disciples had shut the doors for fear of the Jews; and when they had no such expectation, Jesus himself came and stood in the midst of them, having miraculously, though silently, opened the doors. It is a comfort to Christ's disciples, when their assemblies can only be held in private, that no doors can shut out Christ's presence. When He manifests his love to believers by the comforts of his Spirit, he assures them that because he lives, they shall live also. A sight of Christ will gladden the heart of a disciple at any time; and the more we see of Jesus, the more we shall rejoice. He said, Receive ye the Holy Ghost, thus showing that their spiritual life, as well as all their ability for their work, would be derived from him, and depended upon him. Every word of Christ which is received in the heart by faith, comes accompanied by this Divine breathing; and without this there is neither light nor life. Nothing is seen, known, discerned, or felt of God, but through this. After this, Christ directed the apostles to declare the only method by which sin would be forgiven. This power did not exist at all in the apostles as a power to give judgment, but only as a power to declare the character of those whom God would accept or reject in the day of judgment. They have clearly laid down the marks whereby a child of God may be discerned and be distinguished from a false professor; and according to what they have declared shall every case be decided in the day of judgment. When we assemble in Christ's name, especially on his holy day, he will meet with us, and speak peace to us. The disciples of Christ should endeavour to build up one another in their most holy faith, both by repeating what they have heard to those that were absent, and by making known what they have experienced. Thomas limited the Holy One of Israel, when he would be convinced by his own method or not at all. He might justly have been left in his unbelief, after rejecting such abundant proofs. The fears and sorrows of the disciples are often lengthened, to punish their negligence.
Verses 26-29 That one day in seven should be religiously observed, was an appointment from the beginning. And that, in the kingdom of the Messiah, the first day of the week should be that solemn day, was pointed out, in that Christ on that day once and again met his disciples in a religious assembly. The religious observance of that day has come down to us through every age of the church. There is not an unbelieving word in our tongues, nor thought in our minds, but it is known to the Lord Jesus; and he was pleased to accommodate himself even to Thomas, rather than leave him in his unbelief. We ought thus to bear with the weak, ( romans 15:1 romans 15:2 ) . This warning is given to all. If we are faithless, we are Christless and graceless, hopeless and joyless. Thomas was ashamed of his unbelief, and cried out, My Lord and my God. He spoke with affection, as one that took hold of Christ with all his might; "My Lord and my God." Sound and sincere believers, though slow and weak, shall be graciously accepted of the Lord Jesus. It is the duty of those who read and hear the gospel, to believe, to embrace the doctrine of Christ, and that ( 1 John. 5:11 )
Verses 30-31 There were other signs and proofs of our Lord's resurrection, but these were committed to writing, that all might believe that Jesus was the promised Messiah, the Saviour of sinners, and the Son of God; that, by this faith, they might obtain eternal life, by his mercy, truth, and power. May we believe that Jesus is the Christ, and believing may we have life through his name.
John 20:1-18 . MARY'S VISIT TO THE SEPULCHRE, AND RETURN TO IT WITH PETER AND JOHN--HER RISEN LORD APPEARS TO HER.
1, 2. The first day . . . cometh Mary Magdalene early, Matthew 28:1 Matthew 28:2 ).
she runneth and cometh to Simon Peter, and to the other disciple whom Jesus loved, and saith unto them, They have taken away the Lord out of the sepulchre--Dear disciple! thy dead Lord is to thee "the Lord" still.
3-10. Peter therefore went forth, and that other disciple, and came first to the sepulchre--These particulars have a singular air of artless truth about them. Mary, in her grief, runs to the two apostles who were soon to be so closely associated in proclaiming the Saviour's resurrection, and they, followed by Mary, hasten to see with their own eyes. The younger disciple outruns the older; love haply supplying swifter wings. He stoops, he gazes in, but enters not the open sepulchre, held back probably by a reverential fear. The bolder Peter, coming up, goes in at once, and is rewarded with bright evidence of what had happened.
6-7. seeth the linen clothes lie--lying.
And the napkin, that was about his head, not lying with the linen clothes--not loosely, as if hastily thrown down, and indicative of a hurried and disorderly removal.
but wrapped--folded.
together in a place by itself--showing with what grand tranquillity "the Living One" had walked forth from "the dead" ( Luke 24:5 ). "Doubtless the two attendant angels ( John 20:12 ) did this service for the Rising One, the one disposing of the linen clothes, the other of the napkin" [BENGEL].
8. Then went in . . . that other disciple which came first to the sepulchre--The repetition of this, in connection with his not having gone in till after Peter, seems to show that at the moment of penning these words the advantage which each of these loving disciples had of the other was present to his mind.
and he saw and believed--Probably he means, though he does not say, that he believed in his Lord's resurrection more immediately and certainly than Peter.
9. For as yet they knew--that is, understood.
not the scripture that he must rise again from the dead--In other words, they believed in His resurrection at first, not because they were prepared by Scripture to expect it; but facts carried resistless conviction of it in the first instance to their minds, and furnished a key to the Scripture predictions of it.
11-15. But Mary stood without at the sepulchre weeping, &c.--Brief was the stay of those two men. But Mary, arriving perhaps by another direction after they left, lingers at the spot, weeping for her missing Lord. As she gazes through her tears on the open tomb, she also ventures to stoop down and look into it, when lo! "two angels in white" (as from the world of light, and "sitting" posture, "as having finished some business, and awaiting some one to impart tidings to" [BENGEL].
12. one at the head, and the other at the feet where the body of Jesus had lain--not merely proclaiming silently the entire charge they had had of the body, of Christ [quoted in LUTHARDT], but rather, possibly, calling mute attention to the narrow space within which the Lord of glory had contracted Himself; as if they would say, Come, see within what limits, marked off by the interval here between us two, the Lord lay! But she is in tears, and these suit not the scene of so glorious an Exit. They are going to point out to her the incongruity.
13. Woman, why weepest thou?--You would think the vision too much for a lone woman. But absorbed in the one Object of her affection and pursuit, she speaks out her grief without fear.
Because, &c.--that is, Can I choose but weep, when "they have taken away," &c. repeating her very words to Peter and John. On this she turned herself and saw Jesus Himself standing beside her, but took Him for the gardener. Clad therefore in some such style He must have been. But if any ask, as too curious interpreters do, whence He got those habiliments, we answer [with OLSHAUSEN and LUTHARDT] where the two angels got theirs. Nor did the voice of His first words disclose Him to Mary--"Woman, why weepest thou? whom seekest thou?" He will try her ere he tell her. She answers not the stranger's question, but comes straight to her point with him.
15. Sir, if thou have borne him hence--borne whom? She says not. She can think only of One, and thinks others must understand her. It reminds one of the question of the Spouse, "Saw ye him whom my soul loveth?" ( Solomon 3:3 ).
tell me where thou hast laid him, and I will take him away--Wilt thou, dear fragile woman? But it is the language of sublime affection, that thinks itself fit for anything if once in possession of its Object. It is enough. Like Joseph, He can no longer restrain Himself ( Genesis 45:1 ).
16, 17. Jesus saith unto her, Mary--It is not now the distant, though respectful, "Woman." It is the oft-repeated name, uttered, no doubt, with all the wonted manner, and bringing a rush of unutterable and overpowering associations with it.
She turned herself, and saith to him, Rabboni!--But that single word of transported recognition was not enough for woman's full heart. Not knowing the change which had passed upon Him, she hastens to express by her action what words failed to clothe; but she is checked.
17. Jesus saith unto her, Touch me not, for I am not yet ascended to my Father--Old familiarities must now give place to new and more awful yet sweeter approaches; but for these the time has not come yet. This seems the spirit, at least, of these mysterious words, on which much difference of opinion has obtained, and not much that is satisfactory said.
but go to my brethren--(Compare Matthew 28:10 , Hebrews 2:11 Hebrews 2:17 ). That He had still our Humanity, and therefore "is not ashamed to call us brethren," is indeed grandly evidenced by these words. But it is worthy of most reverential notice, that we nowhere read of anyone who presumed to call Him Brother. "My brethren: Blessed Jesus, who are these? Were they not Thy followers? yea, Thy forsakers? How dost Thou raise these titles with Thyself! At first they were Thy servants; then disciples; a little before Thy death, they were Thy friends; now, after Thy resurrection, they were Thy brethren. But oh, mercy without measure! how wilt Thou, how canst Thou call them brethren whom, in Thy last parting, Thou foundest fugitives? Did they not run from Thee? Did not one of them rather leave his inmost coat behind him than not be quit of Thee? And yet Thou sayest, 'Go, tell My brethren! It is not in the power of the sins of our infirmity to unbrother us'" [BISHOP HALL].
I ascend unto my Father and your Father, and to my God and your God--words of incomparable glory! Jesus had called God habitually His Father, and on one occasion, in His darkest moment, His God. But both are here united, expressing that full-orbed relationship which embraces in its vast sweep at once Himself and His redeemed. Yet, note well, He says not, Our Father and our God. All the deepest of the Church fathers were wont to call attention to this, as expressly designed to distinguish between what God is to Him and to us--His Father essentially, ours not so: our God essentially, His not so: His God only in connection with us: our God only in connection with Him.
18. Mary Magdalene came and told the disciples that she had seen the Lord, and that he had spoken these things unto her--To a woman was this honor given to be the first that saw the risen R edeemer, and that woman was not His mother.
John 20:19-23 . JESUS APPEARS TO THE ASSEMBLED DISCIPLES.
19-23. the same day at evening, the first day of the week, the doors being shut where the disciples were assembled for fear of the Jews, came Jesus--plainly not by the ordinary way of entrance.
and saith unto them Peace be unto you--not the mere wish that even His own exalted peace might be theirs ( John 14:27 ), but conveying it into their hearts, even as He "opened their understandings to understand the scriptures" ( Luke 24:45 ).
20. And when he had so said, he showed them his hands and his side--not only as ocular and tangible evidence of the reality of His resurrection that resurrection" dispensing all His peace to men.
Then were the disciples glad when they saw the Lord.
21. Then said Jesus--prepared now to listen to Him in a new character.
Peace be unto you. As my Father hath sent me, so send I
22. he breathed on them--a symbolical conveyance to them of the Spirit.
and saith, Receive ye the Holy Ghost--an earnest and first-fruits of the more copious Pentecostal effusion.
23. Whose soever sins ye remit, they are remitted unto them, &c.--In any literal and authoritative sense this power was never exercised by one of the apostles, and plainly was never understood by themselves as possessed by them or conveyed to The power to intrude upon the relation between men and God cannot have been given by Christ to His ministers in any but a ministerial or declarative sense--as the authorized interpreters of His word, while in the actings of His ministers, the real nature of the power committed to them is seen in the exercise of church discipline.
John 20:24-29 . JESUS AGAIN APPEARS TO THE ASSEMBLED DISCIPLES.
25. We have seen the Lord--This way of speaking of Jesus (as John 20:20 and John 21:7 ), so suited to His resurrection-state, was soon to become the prevailing style.
Except I see in his hands the print of the nails, and put my linger into the print of the nails, and thrust my hand into his side, I will not believe--The very form of this speech betokens the strength of the unbelief. "It is not, If I shall see I shall believe, but, Unless I shall see I will not believe; nor does he expect to see, although the others tell him they had" [BENGEL]. How Christ Himself viewed this state of mind, we know from Mark 16:14 , "He upbraided them with their unbelief and hardness of heart because they believed not them which had seen Him after He was risen." But whence sprang this pertinacity of resistance in such minds? Not certainly from reluctance to believe, but as in Nathanael from mere dread of mistake in so vital a matter.
26-29. And after eight days--that is, on the eighth, or first day of the preceding week. They probably met every day during the preceding week, but their Lord designedly reserved His second appearance among them till the recurrence of His resurrection day, that He might thus inaugurate the delightful sanctities of THE LORD'S DAY ( Revelation 1:10 ).
disciples were within, and Thomas with them . . . Jesus . . . stood in the midst, and said, Peace be unto you.
27. Then saith he to Thomas, Reach hither . . . behold . . . put it into my side, and be not faithless, but believing--"There is something rhythmical in these words, and they are purposely couched in the words of Thomas himself, to put him to shame" [LUTHARDT]. But wish what condescension and gentleness is this done!
28. Thomas answered and said unto him, My Lord and my God--That Thomas did not do what Jesus invited him to do, and what he had made the condition of his believing, seems plain from John 20:29 ("Because thou hast seen Me, thou hast believed"). He is overpowered, and the glory of Christ now breaks upon him in a flood. His exclamation surpasses all that had been yet uttered, nor can it be surpassed by anything that ever will be uttered in earth or heaven. On the striking parallel in Nathanael, of the supreme divinity of Christ here manifestly taught--as if it were a mere call upon God in a fit of astonishment--is beneath notice, save for the profanity it charges upon this disciple, and the straits to which it shows themselves reduced.
29. because thou hast seen me, thou hast believed--words of measured commendation, but of indirect and doubtless painfully--felt rebuke: that is, 'Thou hast indeed believed; it is well: it is only on the evidence of thy senses, and after peremptorily refusing all evidence short of that.'
blessed they that have not seen, and yet have believed--"Wonderful indeed and rich in blessing for us who have not seen Him, is this closing word of the Gospel" [ALFORD].
John 20:30 John 20:31 . FIRST CLOSE OF THIS GOSPEL.
The connection of these verses with the last words of John 20:29 is beautiful: that is, And indeed, as the Lord pronounced them blessed who not having seen Him have yet believed, so for that one end have the whole contents of this Gospel been recorded, that all who read it may believe on Him, and believing, have life in that blessed name.
30. many other signs--miracles.
31. But these are written--as sufficient specimens.
the Christ, the Son of God--the one His official, the other His personal, title.
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Well...another weather alert^$*(%*...high winds, more - zero temps and that white stuff!
Laureen...sounds like you are a freezin up there too. Hope you get to feeling a bit better and stop the darn coughing.
Joanie... LOVED the pic of the two great looking tomatoes...that big red thing and that "hot tomato" holding it! Soooo, when are you gonna get some chairs for you and Roger???
Doris, you are right...my chili always grows like that too. If I think I'm goin way overboard, I freeze some of it BEFORE adding the kidney beans.
Virginia...thanks for the eagle cam links. Watching eagles is just SOOOO fascinating!
Carol...figured Ben might get infected...good he was smart enough to get it tended.
Hey...how bout Zara SELLING the baby pics? Somehow I just don't think that is right!
Well...now I have a vein problem with my left leg. Dr. says I MUST wear those darn support hose. I'm getting a bit sick of all this pain... growing old really is a Pain in the EVERYWHERE!!
Karen...Doris is right...be careful of the oxy stuff. when you get the feeling that you WANT one...just STOP...eat some chocolate...go to bed.
Well...stay warm Nat and Laureen...probably Dee will be freezing too.
(( )), Rags
Good morning..
Legs...they seem to be the current issue on here. Get well wishes to everyone's gams!!
Laureen..get well wishes to you. I went to bed at 9AM last night. I find sleep is a good medicine for all ailments.
Morning Carola....
Afternoon Sharona
I started this post in the morning but lost it twice. If I forget someone apologies.
Karen, what did the dr say?
Dee, wishing poor G better. How's your leg?
Um, can't remember. I did write to Laureen but can't remember.
Belle ran upstairs to my bedroom and ran around it then back down and then up again. I got up to see what was going on but she ran down stairs.
Rags, I'm supposed to get yellow snow tonight and/or tomorrow. Yellow snow. Who's going to pee on it before it hits the ground? Lol
Mornin.....cloudy, 8 degrees.... heard we may get aother big strorm next week.... oy veh....
Now did all you see how wonderful Virginia was to give us the url to the Eagles... not like some of us who just said, look up Dakota, or something like that. THANK YOU VIRGINIA, YOU ARE A GOOD PERSON...
ok, nuff about all those leg thingies..
Dee, were you the one on Weight watchers, I am thinking of trying again, but I really don't understand it. I should go to a meeting... gotta do something.
Hi ladies,
I went to my family doc. I fell walking to his office and took off my shoe. I didn't hurt anything since I caught myself by falling on my purse. Doc said it was foot drop. He did not get the EMG report. He upped my Gabapentin to 600 since the 300 wasn't working and Oxycodone.
I go today to Neuro doc. I hope he has the EMG report. I hope he has treatment for foot drop other than surgery.
Diva D I don't take all the Oxycodone doses that are recommended. I only take when pain happens. It says 4 times a day but I take three times a day. I also take fiber and laxative since it has a tendency to cause constipation. I hope the Neuro can fix it so that I don't have to take pills.
Diva N and Rags I wish chocolates would stop the pain. It is worse at night and sometimes the pills do not stop the pain, even hot baths. You two stay warm!
Carol I bet Belle just wanted you to get up.
Sharon thanks for the get well wish.
Laureen hope you fell better soon.
Have a good one,
Wow Karen, you are really going thru the dickens .... sending you big hugs, and hope they will find the cause for all this.....
Evening. I'm here at bocci. Going to eat some dinner and then go home. Am on the tablet so forgive misspellings. Went to the doc and he put me on a second dose of orednisone and double whst I was on before. Start it tonight. I'm sure it will work.
Karen what did the neuro say? Sorry pcp didn't get the report. Inquiring minds want to know. So do nosey minds! LOL! Drinking a frozen margarita while I type!
Nat I sent you a link too of eagles! I'm so tired of this weather. This am we had a white out practically. More snow came down was -8 this am and suppose to get to - 10 or so tonight. Not getting higher than the teens till Mon minimally. So im betting its heading your way.
Rags where the stocking! You don't need any clots! How's the ticker doing? Bet this weather is going to hit you too! Gotta see about heading south in April!
Well themind is gone. Don't remember anything elde. I'm not m
much of a drinker and its gone right to my head. So will say bye, keep warm and have a nice day tomorrow.
No snow but now they are scaring us with sleet.
Poor Karen. I hope you get a useful answer today from the Neuro man.
Laureen, you just reminded me that I have a frozen pins colada in the freezer.
Having a problem with Belle's name. Every time I say Belle I think of Campbell. I'm thinking of adding Isa before the Belle. C'mon Nat, ya following me? Not dealing with a one syllable named cat. How pathetic.
Oh, sister's birthday today, she's 58. She thinks that they will be moving back into their house in April.
ah iz following you Carola.....why don't you start calling her IsaBella? its like she is getting a "second" name, but it is first, ya following me Carola....
Laureen, thanks for the site. yep, they are saying we iz getting up to a fut of snow Sunday into Monday. it is ZERO right now...We had heavy squalls yesterday, not much accumulation. maybe an inch...
A friend of mine from our Seniors club passed away, she was shoveling snow, and died of a heart attack, never been sick, she was such a nice lady. Sad part, she was found by the UPS guy in her driveway, we all went to her wake and service at the funeral home, what a beautiful family she has. They all "sent her HOME to the Lord" beautiful
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Would you read this book?? This is the latest request for my sister's publicist company. It sounds interesting.
No water...no cleaning today.
Were you thinking Bellissima??
Doris how are you handling the hearing aids?? How did you know that you were having audio issues?? Did I miss that part?
Laureen a good cocktail might take care of a lot of issues.
Karen...good answers today.
Good morning, all.
Sharon, I don't think I would read the book but that is just my personal opinion. I have a thing about people trying to portray themselves into the heavenly experience and having direct communication like that.
When I started having trouble hearing some voices and finding myself saying "what" a bit too often is when I decided to get it checked. They really do help and I have no problem except after awhile when I'm sitting here alone my one ear starts itching where it is. Doesn't seem to bother me when I am with other people so I'm sure it will just take getting used to. They are just a little tiny thing in the ear and then a wire that goes up to over the front of the ear and the main thingy is over behind the ear flap. It is hard to explain but you really can't see that I have them on.
Karen, what did the neuro say yesterday? Surely he had the report.
That is such a shame about your friend, Nat. Don't you be out shoveling! It is supposed to be in the 40s for two days and then sleet & snow on Sunday.
One bright note, today is the last day of February!!!
Have a good day and my sympathy for not being able to clean today, Sharon. Carol, any name is fine but I like Sharon's suggestion is you can follow it.
Carol - I think that making belle into bella would add the other sylable and still be about the same. That's what I thought it was anyway. So don't confuse this ole lady by changing it more. Or you could make it Bella-bee or some such ending. Or bad days it could be Bella-bum.
I went to the neuro doc and he had the bedside manners of a bed pan. I do not like him and will not go back to him. He was very dry and condescending since I had the nerve to order the EMG test on my own. He could have gotten another office visit from me if I didn't demand it He did not phase me at all. I asked questions and he spilled out doc talk. What it all came down too was that I have foot drop which is caused by the common peroneal nerve. The EMG lady lied to me when I asked if it was the peroneal. I had diagnosed myself correctly. He told me that I might get my nerve healed in 6 months to a yr. or it could be permanent. He said that nothing could be done and he would not be seeing me any more. He was cut and dry. I would hate to be told if I had cancer by him!
I did an experiment yesterday to see if I needed the Gabapentin and Oxycodone together. When I got the foot pain I took the Gabapentin waited an hour. The foot pain did not go away. I took the Oxycodone and the foot pain did not go away. It took an hour or more for the foot pain to subside. So the next time I just took the Gabapentin when I was suppose to and the foot pain did not come back. I am now only taking the Gabapentin. I will not be using the Oxycodone. I hate taking so many pills.
I will be getting a brace to keep my left foot up so that I can keep from falling. My PT will be ordering it and fitting me. Neuro doc wanting to order it for me but I told him that the Pt ordered it. I just kept him from making more money off of me.
Diva N thanks for the hugs. I needed it. I was not surprised at the prognosis. I had found out the answers way before neuro doc gave me his dry findings. I knew that it could be temporary or permanent. I will just have to wait and see. I can live with it by using the brace. My sis was surprised that I took it so well. Knowing the facts made me aware and face up to it. So sad about your friend dying while shoveling snow. That is one job that seems to bring on the heart attacks. Stay warm.
Laureen I sure hope the meds work for you this time. It is not fun to be sick and have to go to work too! Sending (((healing vibes))). I knew when the neuro doc told me it was the peroneal nerve what my sentence was. I want to ask the EMG lady why did she lie to me. She should have just kept quiet. Drink one for me since I can't mix alcohol with my drugs. I will check if I can have a drink with Gabapentin.
Carol I got the result that I had found out on my own. I am okay with it. You could call Belle, Bella. Would that remind you of Campbell?
Sharon I felt that she was a fanatic or trying to drum up readers to buy her book. I don't think I would read it. I guess I just don't have an open mind. How did you get your font so big?
Diva D glad you got fitted with a hearing aid that you can't see. I tried to tell my dad about the ones that can't be seen but he is too vain to wear one. He would rather go through life without hearing people correctly.
Nat, I'd follow you any where. Sorry for the loss of your friend.
Sharona, I would pass on the book. Why no water? No Bellisima, too long.
Doris, I'm glad that the hearing aids are making a difference. I was thinking Pain in the a$$ Belle. I'll still call her Belle when I moan talk about her.
Sorry Karen but that neuro quack was a real douche bag. ((  )
Went out in the rain this morning. I thought I saw some sleet. Got 8 books out. Hands up who gets frustrated when reading a book on the K and you're told it has to be charged. Now I have some books to cut that 2 hour frustration.
Carol - you can read while it is charging if you have a plug near the chair.
Karen, I was afraid of that doc since you got in so quickly, I figured he didn't have much business. I'd leave a bad review of him on that doctor place on the internet. Can you drive while taking that med? I'm thinking lunch!
ANOTHER miserably cold day...more snow coming in with a BIG weekend storm....what else is new?
Laureen...Dee...Susan and Doris...is this BIG storm supposed to get to you?
Sharon.. probably would not read that book...why no water?
Carol...kinda like just Bella...course that COULD be short for Isabella. She sorta LOOKS like an Isabella. Friends have a new grandchild named Isabella Rose.
Karen...good that you do have it resolved and are dealing with it. I think the nerve cause is the most common for foot drop. A friend of ours was falling a lot and that is what he had. The good news is that after wearing a brace for about a year...the problem simply went away. He kept the brace in case it occurs again.
That doctor sounds like he couldn't care less about patients....or patience!
Stay warm ladies...(( )), Rags
Boo Hiss on that Nero guy. What a let down. I thought you would get answers and directions for a cure. I hope this foot decides to remedy itself.
I thought the same about that book. He wants my sister to represent his work. She sent me the blip and is wondering if she will take this job. He has restrictions.
The town was working on a water main this morning until 3PM. I spent the day sewing that AMG doll dress. The dress went smoothly but a simple vest had me bogged down for hours. I threw one in the trash. Not pleased with the second one...but, it is just for a damn doll!
I see fresh peas on the counter in the kitchen. I don't feel like shelling peas.
Tired and cranky.
Hey ladies!
G is finally getting better today! Thank goodness!
We are supposed to be getting this storm too. I am not sure of all the details, frankly I am so sick of the weather I try to avoid it all except for freezing rain. That stops me cold in my tracks.
Karen, sorry for the bad experience with the Nuero. Mine is not the most hospitable either. Thank goodness I don't have to see him again. My foot drop just healed itself. I was advised to keep my blood sugars even, as low as I could and I followed that advice to the T and it worked. Have you had your blood sugars checked lately? You might want to have that test done or get a Blood sugar meter and do it at home yourself. I sure hope you haven't developed diabetes but you never know and it would explain the sudden onset of the drop. It is so scary, embarrassing as everything. I wish you speedy resolution. Hugs. I never had to wear a brace, but that is where I was headed if it hadn't resolved soon. I would say I had the problem about six months in all. Mine started with the outside of my leg numb and tingling then the drop developed.
Sharon, I would pass on that book too!
Finally Friday, but us retirees - not as important, right?
I think we are north of the major storm this time. About time! All the others this winter have hit our county with more "stuff" than surrounding areas. I think Springfield is in for several inches, Doris & Karen.
I kept telling myself I should get out and about since the sun is shining - even though it is only about 10 degrees - but never got motivated enough to do it. I have a few anniversaries and birthdays in March, so I will have to get out and get some cards.
Karen, I feel your frustration with a dr with no bedside manner. It is always a bonus to find a dr who is good in their field and nice to talk to.
Carol, I like Doris suggestion - bellabee. I read once where cats and dogs respond better to a 2 syllable name rather than 1. Also, drinking water should be placed away from their food bowl. They won't drink that close to food, for fear of contamination. Once I read that and moved Bailey's bowl, the amount she drank was significantly more. I never gave that a thought before. I told my daughter and the same with her cat - Myles - now he drinks lots more and isn't always running to the faucet in their bedroom for a drink.
I will continue reading and add more comments as I have time. everyone "hi" and until next time,
Sharona, I must be related to Andy. I get so outraged with poor service and incorrect information. I think it is because it's just about all the time. I have gotten better about just smiling and walking away, but inside, I am like little Yosimite Same shooting all his guns at once.
Nat, your cat is a tart. Is her name Miley Cyrus?
Virginia! Those eagle cams are so awesome! Thanks for sharing them.
My hair is dark dark brown with deep red overtones. Except the roots. Those are grey. Since noses and earlobes grow throughout a lifetime, one day, I'll have dark reddish brown hair, lots of wrinkles, a snout that pokes out like Pinocchio's, and earlobes that drag the floor. No kidding about the earlobes ... my family has THE longest, dangliest ones in the world when we get old. It's ridiculous.
Diva D, I don't eat it jiggly! I cook it until it's just a tiny bit still soft in the middle, then let it cool. Can't stand undercooked egg-based food. Laureen, RE the water bath ... I don't know how Doris does it, but I put water in the kettle and get it hot while I make the custard. I put the custards in their individual dishes in a lasagne pan, stick that in the oven, pull the rack out just enough to "deal with it," then pour the hot water from the kettle in the lasagne pan until it's most the way up the sides of the individual custard cups.
I'm still stupid at work, but maybe not quite as much so this week as last. Ya'll need to pray a lot for me.
Evening. I'm tired so am going to bed early tonight. Hoping we get hot water back again tomorrow so I can get something done tomorrow. So sick of this cold weather and all of its inconveniences. I beleive we are suppose to get the snow too but I don't think we are getting the big storm till Tuesday night Wednesday morning. But who knows, maybe it sped up during the day when I wasn't looking. We're suppose to get a little snow tomorrow and tomorrow is our warm day for another week at a high of 22! Whoopie!
I like Bella Carol. I think if you called her Issabell (which I also like) you'd end up shortening it to Issy and I don't know if Izzy would appreciate that! LOL!
Karen, I'm not surprised at the doc. Most neurologists have horrid personalities and don't seem to give a D. My excuse for them is because of what they deal with since many also deal with brain surgeries etc that they can't afford to get close or be nice because it always ends up hurting when all you do it give bad news. Even with successful brain surgery there is usually some residual problems which is sad. Guess I'm going to have to look up this nerve thing cause it's nothing that I remember specifically.
Thanks Kim for the cooking hint. Guess I'll need to get some custard dishes next. I do have a lasagna pan!
Dee glad Gee is feeling better. I thought I was but the nose started running again today and the sneezing started. Just don't get it. But am taking the prednisone so hopefully it will get better soon. Cough isn't as full as it was so that is good.
Nat so sorry to hear of the loss of your friend. It's why I don't want DH doing anything and I limit what I do. Can't take chances like that. You better not be either! Learn from your friend!
Sharon, I might read the book, am not sure cause I will say it did sound different. I probably like this stuff because of dealing with death so much of the time when I worked the hospitals and in the field. I liked Kubler Ross books and the 5 people I meet in Heaven or something like that. Did any of the rest of you read that? Saw the movie too. Perhaps I'm looking for some reassurance that there is life after death.
Well am not typing straight so better go. Will be back tomorrow! Have a great day.
Morning peeps
Thanks Doris for the info. I do have a nearby thingy.
Susan thanks for your experience with water. I always had a water bowl about a foot away from the food. She came with a small bowl but will have to change and move it.
Never heard of the water thingy, all the animals we had, had a water bowl next to their food bowl, and they always drank the water.....strange..
Kimmie, my raven haired beauty, with grey roots, you isn't stooped....ahs loves ya..
Carola, I like plain ole Bella.....what about Bellesnick, or Bellenikoff....
Karen, sorry for the bastardo......sending a bigger hug....and no, no meeting with Doris, you are too weak from all those meds, wait a year or two before you meet up with her.
they are still saying we are going to get walloped with a big storm tomorrow night....the snow is so high on the sides now, don't know where they will put the plowed snow... when is spring coming??????? I need spring... Dee and Laureen, I think you are in line for it too...Ragsie and I are getting zapped.
take care.... have a good day everyone...
Here is the finished outfit with the recipient. I got up at 6AM to make the head scarf. Not a big thing but I was too tired last night to tackle it. So, Carnavale can begin for the AMG Doll. I got that sewing space clean..yeah!
Karen I can't stop thinking about you and that doctor. Was he mad 'cause he couldn't get another visit out of you since you already did that test?? Just not right. People are coming to him because they don't feel well. Why make it worse??
I say March should be a "snow free month"!
Oh Sharon, that is the sweetest thing I have seen. Just love, love, love it. You should go into business.
We are supposed to get ice tomorrow with this next storm - about 1/2" and then maybe 1/2" of snow. However, it will be in the 50s today.
March is sure coming in like a lion for most of you so it will improve by the end.
Karen, I went to Target yesterday and smelled the ribs as I went down that street. Sorry Nat, but the ribs are calling out to Karen and I. Think I will get a big order and bring some home with me. Sound like a winning plan, Karen?
I was already to go to Church today because yesterday seemed like Saturday all day. Getting mixed up in my old age. Surprised when the paper wasn't big this morning.
I have a stuffy nose that doesn't stop running but no other symptoms. Any ideas of what to take or do?
For my custard, I have some custard cups I got at Walmart (with lids which is great for the fridge) and fill six of them, put hot water in an oblong cake pan and put them in it. I don't use as much hot water as Kim, maybe 1/2 inch, and mine isn't as hot as hers which is why it may take longer to cook mine. By the way, Kim, it is delish when it is just out of the oven and hot. Yep, it needs nutmeg on the top of it cuz my mother did it that way. I also use a little almond flavoring along with some vanilla.
Got to thinking about the patience in shopping - - yesterday was at the hated Walmart and the shelves were empty of a common thing that I needed so when the clerk said there was none in the back I thanked him and said I didn't want my cart full of stuff since I would have to go someplace else for that. And just walked out. No need to wait in the long check-out lines and let them restock my stuff.
yeah, gin and raisins....... so proud of ;you for walking out of that store. and where the heck do you smell ribs?
Sharona most adorable thing I ever saw, both outfit, and that little one.... amazing, I agree with the old one, you should go into business...What is the name of that doll? is it Kristin?.
Love love love the doll, the outfit and the owner. She is a real cutie also! The outfit is beautiful and I've seen the outfits that cane bought! Your's is so much nicer and matches the culture! You do such wonderful work!
Doris I don't blame you. Can't say I've done it but I know DH has. Walmarts are always so busy too, that it isn't worth waiting in the line when you have to go somewhere else too. I'm glad today isn't Sunday cause I'd have to g back to work tomorrow.
Nat as of last night we are suppose to get the 2-3 inches part. We are on the north side of the storm. But they are saying if the wind changes we could get more. Haven't read the weather today yet.
Well we need to go to the grocery to get Fion some of his special dry food. Then to the Meijers to get the main stuff. They don't carry the flavor that he likes at Meijers. LOL!
Will be back later. Have a good day.
Carola, what did you call Cam? Cam or Campbell?
Sharona, love the photo.
Nat, yes.
I had to go to 3 stores to get 3 items I needed. Cat food, newspaper, and a jar of Indian sauce, Pasanda. Getting really fed up with the stores here.
Nice day out today. Don't know what to have for supper.
Sharon - love the outfit and the pretty girl holding her. What a great job you did! I have a sewing machine that I haven't used in years! If you only lived closer I would gift it to you if you wanted it. I know it has cams and it will embroider and other fancy stuff. I remember that because when the kids were little I was going to be creative and put a cute little duck on a jumper I made LIsa. My attempts on practice material were pitiful and I gave that project up! I mostly used the machine to mend K's levis and torn flannel work shirts. I did sew a few dresses for L & me, but always was happy when I was done. I will have to check e-bay and see if anyone is even interested in this type of machine. I am ready to get it out of the basement.
Doris, what does 50° feel like???? I can't remember.......
We are planning on going to a restaurant about 50 miles from here tonight. The couple we are going with live just a few doors north of us. We will see what the weather is like around 5. Supposed to get more snow tonight thru tomorrow.
Poor Mom Eagle in Decorah, IA was covered in snow last night. She just tucked her head in and kept warm. Something about those down feathers........I sure hope the eggs make it and hatch. IF she does lay #3 it should happen Sunday or Monday. Then 30-40 days until babies come. Yes, I am obsessed with this site and Mom & Dad activity.
I got a message this week from Mike of Antique Archaeology that their new building is finished and open in LeClaire IA. Looks like a road trip in our future outings, and I hope to continue north to Savanna to check out Frank's store.
until next time,
Well poop and damn. I had such higher hopes for that doggoned neuro. Karen, come down here and see Dr. Max Madary, Neurosurgeon Extraordinaire. He's an absolute princess of a diva ~ he is VERY self-secure ~ but he's also an awesome neuro. The nurses all roll their eyes because he is so picky-picky-picky, but they say that after all, he is THE MAN. His attitude reminds me of a male Russian dancer, but he can be fun and friendly, he does care, and he is super good. And I bet he could kick that other guys ^$$.
I can't find Doris thing about cats and water. I have looked and looked ... My man cat will only drink from the running faucet, but will eat anything, anywhere.
Sharona ~ I love the AG outfit! It's just like yours. Like the others, I think the real live girl is just the cutest and best - she's really pretty as a picture. About that book. I am like Doris and I don't believe I'd be interested in reading it. If I won't read it, nobody will. I'm a southern holy-roller and it's too much for even me. Then again, I have awful thoughts - expecially while I shop - and maybe I ought to read that book. It might help.
Carol, name her Bellzabub.
Cold Damp Dreary...what else is new.
Doris....hahahaha, you pulled an Andy. He did that cart thing on Monday.
That girl sure is pretty. I have never met her. Thanks for the nice comments.
You can check out that author here.. http://www.andrew-mcnabb.com/ He looks normal.
Where is Ms Marlene??
Hi Kim - that was me that made the comments about a cat and their water. My kitty drinks more water now, and isn't interested in faucet water anymore.
Holy cow. Nothing is on tv so I was flicking between channels. What am I watching?
Roma vs Inter Milan. No score yet. Lol. Not sure which team is which or who has the cutest players.
Kim, love your suggestion. She is a bit of a devil.
Hey--we are watching this game with you. Keep an eye on Palacio on Inter. He could make a goal. Totti is on the bench..Rome guy! Root for Inter.
Keetya loves to drink from the faucet, but I am discouraging her, I have keetya's food bowl and water next to each other, never had problems, will try to separate it to see what happens, both drink lots of water, so I do not have any problems there.
yeah, where is Marlene????? how ya doing Karen?
Wow...latest local news is that we are gonna have freezing rain start around midnight and then turn to snow. The snow will keep on coming through Monday. They are saying 12 to 18 inches!!!!!!
Kimmy...I just hasta borrow your wonderful phrase..."Poop and Damn"!!!
O vey, eh, Nat? Dee?
We were gone all day today. Started with haircuts...Lowe's...Aldi's for veggies...that place was a ZOO!!!... and NO cauliflower, broccoli, green beans or zucchini!!!! HOW am I to survive without this stuff???
Soooo....out to the Walmart circus. OMG, OMG..."hated" is RIGHT, Doris...ZOO!! Crossed paths with THREE of the most RUDE women...they were TRUE female dogs!!! One was actually swearing at this quite elderly lady who had mistakingly put something in this beoches cart. And she starts hammering on this lady who had to be late 80s. I just wanted to HIT her...and then DH takes my elbow and guides me away saying, "Just stay out of it"...GRRRRR!!!
Anyhow, got everything I needed PLUS an extra $100 of stuff I did NOT need. I said bad words as soon as we got in the Jeep and now DH and I are NOT speaking!
Is ASDA in England like that, Carol?
Well, I'm gonna have a HUGE dish of butter pecan ice cream and go to bed and read.
It can snow all it wants...I'm going to REFUSE to even look at it!!!
Evening. Quiet day, didn't accomplish much of anything, but there's always tomorrow. Did go out to the show and saw the Kevin Costner movie 3 days to Die. It was good. Then to Chinese for some dinner and then home to watch another movie on TV. Tomorrow is laundry and kitchen clean up.
Want to have a laugh? DH is talking about just going through "every room" and emptying it out and getting rid of what we don't "need" so if/when we want to move we'll be ready. The funny part is that he thinks we can do 1 room a weekend. He has no clue about anything. I didn't say a thing. He can't clean out his car or the garage, but he wants to do my bedrooms. LOL!
Snow started as scheduled about 4 PM, slowed down and then picked up again. Still think we are only going to get 2-3 inches at the most which isn't much in today's world. Rags and Nat, hope you don't get hit too bad.
Our water fountains are next to the eating dishes and there hasn't been a problem. But they don't drink out of the bottom of the dish where he water collects they drink from the fountain where it comes out. Fion has only had a little interest in the faucet so that's not been a problem either. For those that try it let me know your results.
Well gonna go check out my Facebook texts. I have an old manager friend who is just devastated. Her daughter tried to commit suicide about a week ago, was in ICU and is now on a psych floor and not really improving. She's not being nice to her fiancé and she signed over her daughter to the father. Sounds like a triggering factor was losing her job over excessive absenteeism. Also had problems with drugs in the past so that's a problem also. She's the one who hand got slammed in her car door and she almost lost her fingers. Such a nice girl but was always insecure etc even in high school. Then she also got thyroid cancer which was her first set back. Just a sad situation and my friend can't stop crying cause now she's lost both of them really. We have to be thankful for the problems we have because they sure could be worse.
Well I'll be back in the morning. Thanks Carol for the start up.
Hey guys! Been so very busy. Got the taxes set up and delivered to the CPA and went to doctor and dentist appointments, etc. Have also been going to the YMCA. I'm also getting the front yard landscaped and two guys have been here until about 8 or 9 p.m. every day. I'm really for them to finish and be gone. They are wearing me out having someone around so much. I'll have to cover the new plants in the flower beds tomorrow as it's suppose to get down to 30 degrees. It is a really big job since I neglected the yard so much during the past few years. I dread even starting on the back yard. I have 5 dead trees too from the drought. I had to drive across Austin and back twice today and what a nightmare with the traffic even on this Saturday. geez.
I've thought about walking out and leaving a basket at the grocery store for some reason before but then I decide to be lazy and not to have to do it again later.
Laureen- About your friend's daughter, I wonder about the thyroid cancer and probable removal of her thyroid gland as causing some of her problems. The thyroid from my research is so very interrelated to everything in one's body.
My DH went to a neuro that sounded like the one you went to Karen. He refused to go back to him. No personality and more like a robot.
I got new full spectrum lights for the parrots cages. Alvira just hung on the side of her cages which was the far from the light. I put her fav treats where she usually sits (under the light) and after a couple of days she is now occasionally getting on her perch to get the treats. They really need the "sunlight" so I hope I can get her use to the "new" thing attached to her cage. Bob took right to it and bashes in the light. I got them one like the picture on this page http://www.featherbrite.com/ The old one broke.
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Updated: April 8, 2013 6:03AM
What started as a way to kick the winter blahs has become a popular event held every March in Oak Forest.
The fourth annual Oak Forest Fleadh — which is Gaelic for "festival," and is pronounced "flah" — is set for Saturday on Cicero Avenue between 151st and 159th streets. It features customer appreciation parties, a 5K race, an open bike ride, a family parade, and a pub and restaurant open house.
"We started this as a way to bring the community together, an event to celebrate the businesses in town, to get people out on Cicero Avenue, and to celebrate the Irish," Oak Forest spokeswoman Chrissy Maher said. "People get a little stir-crazy at the end of winter and are looking forward to spring. This is our way of getting them out there."
Things start with a run at 8:30 a.m.
"It's really well-attended. Last year, we had close to 600 runners. We are hoping for more than 700 this year. It's a good race and people like the route," Maher said. "It's a fun way to kick off the spring races. Each year it gets bigger and better."
The entry fee is $30. Plaques go to the top three finishers, and medals go to the top three in each age bracket for men and women.
"Each year it gets bigger and better," Maher said.
Participants are asked to donate to the St. Damian Food Pantry by bringing a nonperishable item.
"We had 500 pounds of food last year. This time of year, pantries are really hurting," Maher said.
Runners are encouraged to dress up for the race.
"Some women showed up in sparkly tutus last year and we had some leprechauns, too," she said.
The run is followed by an open bike ride that starts at 10 a.m. Bicyclists, often joined by in-line skaters, have free rein on Cicero Avenue until the parade begins at 11 a.m.
Parade entrants gather in the Metra parking lot at the northwest corner of 159th Street and Cicero Avenue. The route heads north on Cicero to 151st Street.
"We'll have marching bands. We'll have the Oak Forest High School band, the Pipes and Drums of the Chicago Police Department, and the Stockyard Kilty pipe band. What's nice about doing this on March 9 is we are not competing with other parades for the Irish bands," Maher said.
The parade is expected to last an hour or so. The grand marshal will be Bremen Township Supervisor and former state Sen. Maggie Crotty.
Later in the day, there will be free buses taking people to seven establishments participating in an open house at which most will offer deals on meals or beverages. The open house starts at 5 p.m. and runs until 3 a.m. March 10.
Participants include Beggars Pizza, 15600 S. Cicero Ave.; Blarney Stone Pub, 15400 S. Cicero Ave.; Marcotte's Bar and Grill, 15501 S. Cicero Ave.; Gaelic Park, 6119 W. 147th St.; Oak Forest Bowl, 15240 S. Cicero Ave.; Oliver's Bar and Grill, 6150 W. 159th St., Tap's Pub, 15427 S. Cicero Ave.; and Cindy's Pub, 5230 W. 159th St.