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Hey guys. I just got off the Disney Magic on Saturday, and on Friday bought into DVC after talking to many very happy DVC members. I bought 320 points at Aulani, in Hawaii (sorry, I don't know all the resort acronyms yet :)). I paid about half down and financed the rest at 9%, thinking I'd find much cheaper financing once I got home and pay it off early with DVD.
All the math seemed to work out, and there were specials onboard ($7 pp discount + $1000 savings) which is why I bought into it there. After reading the boards here, I'm starting to think I made a mistake for the following reasons:
I think I put a little too much stock in the dozen or so DVC members I talked to on the ship, who all raved about DVC as if it was the best thing in the world. I am within my 7-day window of cancelling. Should I do it? Will I get a full refund of my deposit or am I already out some fees? Should I have even bought Aulani? Can you get a higher rental price on your points if they are direct (and unrestricted) than if they are resale? Thanks for any info you can provide. And thanks for all who have commented previously on these boards and made it the wealth of knowledge it is today! |
Unless you know you didn't make a mistake, you should rescind. You will get a full refund.
Then, take your time and do some research about what resort, contract size, and use year might best fit your needs; whether resale or direct purchase is best for you; and whether or not DVC is really what you want. Then, you'll be armed to make an informed purchase. It might be the case that the contract you have now is exactly the right one for you, in which case you can buy it---possibly for a little more money, but with the peace of mind that you KNOW it was the right purchase. More likely, you will find that a resale purchase at a WDW resort is a better fit. |
I believe you would get a full refund. If you intend to go to Aulani regularly you probably want to own there. If you want to go to WDW more often then you should have bought there. Direct vs resale points has nothing to do with rental pricing. Good luck with your decision and please come back and let us know what happens. |
But then we got home and thought about where we would USE the points. We've owned at OKW since 1993, but after moving to the West (AZ) years go, we found ourselves going to WDW less and DLR more. That convinced us. We go to DLR. So we sold the Aulani points back to Disney (long story - not within the 7 day period like yours w/b) and started looking for VGC points. Now we own there, and in a resale contract to add more there. Plus we still own OKW. So we own two places we know we will visit regularly (DLR) and every few years (WDW). Ask yourself - are you going to use the Aulani points AT Aulani all the time, or once in a while? If you answer the latter, you might want to cancel and look into a resale contract where you think you might be going more often. And, as more and more people join DVC by buying Aulani points intending to use them at WDW DVC resorts, having the 11 month booking window advantage might become even more important in the future. |
Here's one GIANT advantage you DO have... anyone wanting to go to Aulani (like us) WANT your 11 month booking window to secure what they want, when they want it. There is a place here on DIS where you can trade your highly valued (to those wanting to go to Aulani) points for some you can use at WDW or anywhere else for that matter. Keep in mind too, that you vacation on DCL and can use your direct purchase points for that too (some say not good to use for DCL, but it's a personal choice what works for some does not work for others). The discounts you received are valuable in that you have a location that SO SO many others would have to wait until the "7 month" window to book, and when east-coasters want to travel to Hawai'i, it generally takes MORE than 7 months to secure some decent airfare. If I could've afforded Aulani (especially at a discount) I would've jumped on it too! You have SO MANY points to play with.... use some yourself, trade with other owners for the resort you DO want (at that 11 month window)... there are MANY options (the least of which being your points are wanted for rentals at your home resort and you can get a better price there than likely anywhere else, just due to the cost of staying on the island in general). Don't jump ship yet... look around at options! I'll edit and give you some DIS sites that'll help:
http://www.disboards.com/forumdisplay.php?f=29 for renting/trading/selling your points.... AWESOME DIS service!!! http://www.disboards.com/showthread.php?t=1255828 rental point "primer" http://www.dvcrequest.com/?oid=29_1 "DAVE" that will rent your points to others (for a fee of points). He is approved by DIS and would LOVE your points to let Aulani renters get the trip they want. I added that last one because some people purchase more points than they need in order to defer their maintenance costs by renting out their "extra" points each year. Think of it this way, those points are always there for you if you want them (until 2062, another HUGE advantage to owning Aulani), and if not, can get you some money to bring the owning cost down each year. As you can see there is more to owning than just the initial cost up front. Think it all through then keep us updated!! |
:) DVC is an expensive timeshare. We purchased direct from Disney and have loved every second of our vacations. I would only purchase Aulani, VB or HHI if I wanted to stay at those resorts. Generally Aulani owners will be able to get in at SSR, OKW or AKV at WDW at the 7 month mark. But the experts on here say you are ONLY gauranteed booking at your home resort at 11 months. The changing at 7 months can be taken away..folks are doubtful it will happen....but we purchased at WDW to stay at WDW. That way I know my annual trip to Disney is going to happen at 11 months out...
It has been beneficial to own at AKV to secure value studios and concierge rooms. I have been able to book 2 value staudios for our last trip and the one this Nov becasue as an owner there I am getting in before others. You can purchase any resort direct from Disney. You may have to wait a while but they will eventually sell you any resort as they gather points back by default, ROFR, etc. |
We purchased on a cruise as well (AKV). Once we discovered the resale market and other options upon returning, we cancelled our purchase. We received a full refund. It sounded great to us on the cruise, but when we found out how many points it would take to use our points to book a cruise and how many more points we could buy resale, we decided to back off and research. We later purchased BLT and are now buying BWV. We will get about 1/3 more points for 15%-18% less than we were paying on the cruise (and two slightly more desirable locations for us personally).
Where do you live and where do you plan to vacation the most (or have the most restrictive times, location requests, etc)? That's where you should buy.
There are ongoing debates about using point for cruises and other options outside DVC. The points for those alternatives seem to keep going up (vs points remaining relatively stable at the DVC resorts), so you might find your self priced out of those options in 5-10 years. We cruised on points 5 yrs ago, but used bonus points we received as part of our purchase incentive. Points to cruise have significantly gone up and you don't have as much flexibility as cash (dates, incentives), so I think we'd only use them to cruise in the future if we need to use up an excess of points or to supplement a cash purchase. We live in California and own 225 pts at SSR and and 100pts at VGC (both purchased direct). We purchased the SSR contract to allow us first option to purchase VGC since it was so small. We are now happy with what we have, although I wish it was more of a 50/50 split. The VGC points are much more expensive though, so we probably would have ended up with less points overall. We now use our VGC points to stay there (they are like gold!) and our SSR points to supplement our VGC stays at 7mo and less frequent Aulani and WDW stays. My recommendation would be to start with a smaller contract, or if you do want the full 320, I'd recommend splitting your purchase into multiple smaller contracts, either at different resorts or the same one. We didn't know we could do that when we bought SSR and wish we had split that purchase like we did our VCG contracts. Smaller contracts seem to resell quicker and at a higher price and give you more flexibility if you want to downsize in the future. Best of luck with your decisions and possible future purchase! I stressed about our purchase the first year after we bought with 'what ifs', but now we couldn't be happier that we took the plunge. Every trip my husband and I marvel at how DVC has made our family vacations more frequent and more enjoyable (love the 1BR!). I wouldn't say DVC is saving us money in the long run as we are vacationing more than we ever would have with out it, but we believe family vacations are a good thing and couldn't be happier with the quality/experiences at Disney. |
Buy where you want to stay.:goodvibes |
It was hard to figure out how much DVC cost back then--I just could not find out an answer--often I break it down for those who purchase direct so they know what the cost is. I have even PM'd a couple of people who wanted more concrete info ont he monthly costs, etc. I remember the Guide being surprised I knew about the referral discount--thanks DIS. In 2013 would I purchase AKV at $140---no. |
Many DVC owners love the DVC because they have a vested interest, who wants to tell someone that the program isn't what thought but they stayed owners anyway. :goodvibes
Peel away the Disney magic and the emotion and look at a purchase as a business deal. All DVC does is offer you a discounted room and some other discounts as icing on the cake. The icing can and does change at Disney's discretion. As a sales enticement they allow you to use points at other vacation destinations other than DVC resorts. Most of these have booking restrictions or availability issues. Most require a premium use of points and a $95 fee for each booking. You can buy your contract from Disney and pay a premium price. Often they do not tell you that you can buy at any resort because they want to sell their active resorts that make them the most money. Here are my recommendations: Buy if you currently vacation at the resort that you are interested in at least every 2 years or plan to vacation there knowing that it will cost thousands of dollars each vacation. You have checked out the resorts and maybe stayed there so you know what you are buying? You can plan and book 11 months in advance to better your chances of getting the room you really want. If you book less than 11 months you may or may not be successful in getting your desired room category. You understand that the DVC resorts do not have the same cleaning and maintenance schedule as the regular resorts, some may show wear. You understand that Disney is in control, as members we really don't have any say in how our dues are spent, or what rules, policies, or discounts are put in place. If you have questions or need time to consider you decision, I would rescind the contract and learn more including the cost savings of resale. :earsboy: Bill |
Thanks so much for your thoughts guys! It really helps me in my thought process. To answer a few of your questions:
1) We would plan on visiting Aulani every 5 years or so, at most. It's very expensive for us to get to Hawaii, so it definitely wouldn't be an every year thing. When I made the decision to purchase, I was thinking that we'd stay at every DVC resort over the next 10-15 years. I chose Aulani because it has the longest life (49 years) and I assumed it would be the hardest to get in to at the 7 month mark. I was thinking that because there are 7 resorts at WDW, I could always get in at one of the resorts there. 2) We actually don't have a favorite resort, we've never stayed at a single disney resort before, and last week was our first disney cruise. We love travelling, especially cruising, and I was attracted to DVC because of the flexibility it appeared to have. After all my reading, and some more looking at the hard numbers, I do think DVC really only makes sense for staying at Disney resorts. At this point I'm leaning very strongly toward rescinding. I might look at buying resale as an alternative, but might also just look at renting points for a few stays to make sure Disney travel is really for us. We really like to get out and experience new places (hence me wanting to stay at every resort), and DVC doesn't afford the flexibility I first thought it did. Thanks again everyone, you have no idea how much I appreciate your insights! I'll make a final decision soon and report back. |
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1995 Dodge Caravan has a Radiator Draincock of some sort I have never seen before. Looks to turn 1/4 turn?? Does it pull or something? Do not want to break it
vcheng Posts: 1,284It is a stupid design. If you go over 1/4 turn, it will not pull out. If if turned correctly, the force required to pull it out may damage the draincock.
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May 8, 2014
I was tired of dragging a larger bag with me everywhere and wanted something smaller. This bag was exactly what I wanted. Not only is it the perfect size for my sketchbook and iPad Mini, but it forced me to streamline and get rid of a lot of useless detritus I was carrying in my larger bag. As an added bonus, the leather smells great!
October 2, 2014
Sophisticated, sensible, stylish!
Purchased for my husband, his official introduction to the "man handbag" after using a small over the shoulder bag in Europe. He found the bag a bit clumsy at first as the leather is so supple it sags a bit in the middle. This makes it difficult to hang without increasing the sag in the center. After he got used to the dimensions, and found that sagging is avoided if hung across multiple horizontal hooks, this is now his favourite bag. He takes it everywhere now, and loves the utilitarian benefit it offers while looking much more smart than canvas or synthetic fabric bags.
July 28, 2014
Lookin' good!
I've been looking for the right-sized messenger for a while. I still have my first pouch, the midsize, and the large (the "Levenger Bomber Jacket Backpack Brief" which is a larger version of this .. great for taking out of town but somehow larger than life). I was at a loss to fill the space. I even (if you can believe) put the very first pouch in one of the pockets to hold 'extra cards and checkbooks.' I found that 'Hoss' was great .. the backpack straps make airports and other luggage-intense venues a snap. But just too big! The geometry of this Messenger is very similar to Hoss, especially when it comes to wallet, phone, etc. - and it will hold an 8-1/2x11 binder and a tablet. It just doesn't have to gatemouth into holding a 15" laptop.
July 5, 2014
My Birthday present
What can I say my family knows me. My Mom bought this for me for my birthday, and I was excited because I had my eyes on it for a while. It's perfect for an ipad, a notebook, a couple cables and a keyboard (for the ipad if you're inclined) and my bomber jacket pen wrap. Looks stylish, comfortable to wear. My only complaint is that it doesn't have a handle, just the strap. But once you get used to it, not a big deal.
March 30, 2014
Unexpectedly roomy
Though its profile is slim, this Messenger bag holds much more than I expected: two Circa leather notebooks (one letter, one junior) plus my Macbook Pro slipped in sideways. The interior pockets are handy, and the outside zippered slot affords quick access to frequently used items. I like the sturdy construction and the plaid lining is a nice change of pace from the usual dark interior that lines most women's bags. I know this was designed with a man in mind, but it's quickly becoming my go-to bag.
March 12, 2014
One small improvement?
This was a Christmas gift from my wife. If I didn't love her so much already,this bag would have sealed the deal! As most other comments have said, it's gorgeous, great size, amazing leather, comfortable strap...and that's where I ask if anyone else has had this issue: the strap slips off of everything I've worn. Granted it is winter in Vermont but I have a variety of coats, not just parkas. Is there any kind of a leather sleeve that would slide over the strap to place at the shoulder position to hold it there better? Just wondering. I'm wearing it cross-body for now.
March 11, 2014
Great Bag
I'm a bit of a bag freak - always looking for the perfect bag. I think I may have found it. Great leather, perfect size, comfortable to carry. It holds my business papers, iPad (+ accessories) and anything else I might need daily or on a trip (headphones, magazines, snacks). Love it!
March 8, 2014
Ages Well
I've had this bag for several years now. It has aged well and been co-opted by my husband as his go to travel bag since he migrated to an iPad from a laptop. perfectly sized to hold a tablet and travel essentials. Helpful to use a small zip pouch to corral the smaller items.
February 15, 2014
Good product with problem fixed fast
I bought this bag for my husband for his birthday. It is a wonderful bag with soft leather that does not show scratches. The magnet catch is strong and closes well. We had a problem with the bag (there so something in the bag) and we requested another bag. Levenger's replaced the bag quickly and arranged for our bag to be picked up by FedEx. We were so pleased with the professional way everything was handled.
February 1, 2014
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Yes, you use plural verb forms with plural nouns.
1. There are no students in the classroom.
2. There is no student in the classroom.
If we refer to an countable noun, is it mandatory to use " There are " with a plural noun.
Yes, you use plural verb forms with plural nouns.
When we turn to abstract nouns, do we use singular verb forms with singular nouns?
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We always use singular forms with singular nouns and plural forms with plural nouns.
Well, actually...
We often SAY (not write) "There's... " for a plural. Only the contracted form, not "There is."
There's a few things we can do here.
But your original sentence will be more natual with the plural: there are no students. We rarely say "there is no [single thing]" to mean that the room is empty.
I'm not a teacher, but I write for a living. Please don't ask me about 2nd conditionals, but I'm a safe bet for what reads well in (American) English.
Remember - correct capitalisation, punctuation and spacing make posts much easier to read.
Are abstract nouns usually used with singular verb forms with no?
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coldnfrosty Posts: 25Just download it from the Ford site:
http://www.syncmyride.com/syncmedia/swparts/Gen2v351build12285updatepackageRev3.- exe
Here's a link to the TSB document with instructions:
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clwalker3 Posts: 7After I escalated it with Ford, they actually contacted my dealer and had them call me to set up an appointment to replace the software a few days later. The dealership had just gotten the flash drives with the upgrade the first of this week. So far so good, though I did have a glitch last night that made me worry if the problems were returning. Today, though, it has worked perfectly. I can live with an occasional hiccup if it is not a regular occurrance.
automelon48 Posts: 104Thanks for the info. I will likely perform this upgrade on the weekend.
My vehicle was manufactured on Oct 10, 2012. Not sure when the factory may have started installing software that is newer than 3.2.2
The MFT works pretty well. Just a few glitches. It will read my text messages to me and then if I use a voice command to "reply to message", it automatically chooses message 10 or "Yes" as my reply to a text message. If I cancel the reply, it will cancel momentarily and then try to send message 10 again. It seems to get stuck in a loop.
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stever Viva Las CrucesPosts: 42,443You can get summary TSB info at the Edmunds Car Maintenance Guide and at the NHTSA.
BBBind.com is another good source - they often have full text TSBs.Moderator
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automelon48 Posts: 104Mine arrived at the dealer exactly 7 weeks after I ordered it. Another couple of days for dealer prep. I am in Western Canada. I spent a lot of time on this forum for those 7 weeks, like I am sure you are now.
SEL 2.0 FWD, MFT, park assist, tow package etc.
Really enjoying the Escape.
I will post milage info as soon as I have some meaningful data. So far it looks like I will be right on the EPA numbers. +/- -
stever Viva Las CrucesPosts: 42,443That's probably it. Sometimes TSBs don't seem to show up anywhere but at the dealer too (and we find out about them when someone manages to scan a copy and post it on the net somewhere).
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mbb21 Posts: 7I have been looking for the ECM/OBD plug (where you connect an Auto Code Reader) and cannot find it anywhere. It usually is under the steering wheel well area above the brake pedal. At least that is where it was on my old Explorer. Anyone has any ideas where it is located on a 2013 Escape?
thelaw Posts: 2Sitting at the dealer now waiting for Sync update. Have had the car two weeks now. Came in this morning to have a roof rack installed (included in sale price). Last week had a problem with clock reset.
This morning had problem connecting cell phone to sync. Salesman knew nothing about sync update.
I found out about the update from this forum (thank you). Service knew about the update but didn't offer to install until I asked about it. They are not concerned about the clock reset right now, to them it's a nonissue. Wait is estimated at an hour for sync update, will have to come back if clock reset needs to be fixed. I guess this is the price you pay for all of this new technology. -
southtx Posts: 14I guess this is the price you pay for all of this new technology.
Well, it's certainly the price you'll pay if you just accept it for what it is... which is broken. You've already paid for the technology... and you paid a lot for it.
An earlier comment mentioned a 'cutoff date' for the updated SYNC to be installed in the new models. Well, that's a laugher. If there's an update available, Ford should have the dealer installing it in every Escape sitting out there on a lot waiting for a buyer... whether it was manufactured before a cutoff or not. Instead, they wait for Mister Customer to realize he has a problem. I simply don't understand why it's so hard for Ford management to understand... buyers are angry when they get on the Internet and see the problem they have has been around a long time. -
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clwalker3 Posts: 7Well, I'm still on the fence after the MyFord Touch update. It definitely performs way better than it did before the update. In fact, it works seamlessly for days at a time, but I have still had 3 or 4 hiccups in the last week that concern me - the same type of glitches as before, bluetooth not being located or connecting and the radio coming on instead. Then the system seems to recover and work well again for a period of time. At one point, after difficulty connecting, the title of the track was garbled and the voice control word "listening" on the entertainment tab was garbled. The garbled letters seemed to include oriental characters before it came back to English. I wonder what is up with that? The garbled title had the following format - "oriental character K ?". Anyway, before the update, the problems just got worse and worse. At the moment, it seems to be intermittent glitches and the system recovers. Better, but not a complete fix.
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coldnfrosty Posts: 25I had the cruise control set for 70 the other day on a 220 mile trip. Settled in around 22.4 mpg according to the display, which is relative since there was some city driving on the front end. What got me though was the "miles before empty" display. I pulled into the gas station when it was at 9 miles left to empty and filled 13.1 gallons. I guess in theory I should have been able to get another 40 plus miles on the gas I had since its a 15 gal tank. So 300-320 miles on a tank should be the norm in 40-deg weather.
tinycadon Posts: 287You'll never get to use the entire tank capacity, you have the real size: 15.1g and then you have the "useable" size. I was able to use 13.3g on one of my trips. Sucks because my older Escape had a 16.5 gallon tank & I was able to use 15.5-15.8 gallons, and so far my mixed driving in the new Escape is getting me only 18.9mpg's with 1.6l fwd. I did some calculations with the old Escape and through the first few thousand miles I was getting 23.5mpg in the 2.0l fwd. My driving sytle did not change and filled up at the same gas station each time (has 10% ethanol). So much for the fuel efficiency, the only place I find it's better is in straight highway mileage, 2mpg better. Highly dissapointing!
cbc410 Posts: 20I too have had horribly low mileage - 15-16 mpg city and 19.5 combined. Started complaining as soon as I got the car. Have called it to the attention of both Ford and my dealer. Neither care in the slightest. They tell me that the gas mileage will improve after the car has 2000 miles on it. Somehow I don't see how it will improve 50%, which is how much it has to increase. I am starting to think that if the mileage is significantly lower than advertised we should all join forces and push Ford to negotiate with us. Anybody game?
pzam Posts: 19Just had my AWD Titanium in for service visit #6 since picking it up in mid-August (arrrgh). Most issues are now resolved, but one remains. The navigation directions shown on the Information Display (i.e., the one above the steering wheel) do not seem to work correctly. When the navigation is set to always on (via settings/display/navigation), it only displays navigation information while route guidance is active. In other words, there is no difference between the selections for "always on" and "on guidance". And when navigation instructions do display, the directions do not update on the "intelligent 4WD" screen. It lists the next turn, but never updates the distance or turn information -- it just continues to display the initial information. The dealer just installed the 3.5.1 Sync update, but that didn't fix the problem. The dealer says they duplicated the problem on another Escape. Can anyone else confirm that this is a bug? I suspect this is a software issue that they may or may not ever get to.
pzam Posts: 19Lots of other posts on this. I can confirm that mileage improved after a couple thousand miles, but not by 50%. City driving and turbo use definitely kill the mileage. I've found the highway mileage to be close to advertised, but my city mileage is usually down around 20. I suspect that acceleration practices can make this vary a lot. YMMV.
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girlfeia7 Posts: 2I am very curious what people are getting with 1.6 escape 4x4 I read 19-20 miles per gal. I am a honda owner my self and came very close to buying the escape this summer and decided to make payments to my self till I could decide on the Escape vs the Honda crv. The escape caught my eye as I am all about tec . I have read numerous reviews on all the problems with the escape techonlogy. how the Iphone messes up the system. freezing up ect. I am feeling the same with the honda Crv as being a Boring ride . like I said will keep making payment till I can decide or they can work the bugs out or honda bulids a exciting CRV ! happy driving
brad97 Posts: 2Has anyone found the tow eye hook that is mentioned on page 191 of the Owner's Manual? It should be located in the spare wheel well along with the car jack. You will notice that the front underside of the vehicle is completely enclosed and therefore there is no place to hook a tow rope. They have provided a removable plastic cover on the front right bumper where you can screw in the tow eye that the manual says "must be in the vehicle at all times". We have been told at the dealership that it is an accessory. We have not found it listed as an accessory anywhere, and it would be like saying that the car jack is found in the trunk but you have to buy it as an accessory. If this is true, I'll forget about purchasing ANY new Ford product. I hope you are enjoying your new Ford experience more than me.
sportclimber Posts: 5I have noticed the exact same issue, takes a long time to change the info on the screen. but, have not updated my sync yet. I will bugg the dealer about it soon.
I drive in the Intel 4x4 screen all the time to see how much power is applied to the wheels and when, to see if that affects my mpg's.


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Jun 5, 2012 11:47 AM, By Jonathan Brawn CTS, ISF, ISF-C, DSCE, DSDE, DSNE
Some must-see video products at this year's show.
The two things we have come to expect from InfoComm are a trend-setting tradeshow and an excellent curriculum of continuing education courses taught by industry experts from around the world. The courses taught each year provide a foundation of understanding for the design and integration of the products we sell, install, and service. We recommend that even the veterans who attend the show have a formal plan of attack for the visit. Review all the exhibitors beforehand and make a long list and short list of exhibitors you must see and those you would like to see. You will not make it to all of them, so put together your must-see list first. Also keep in mind that some of the most interesting parts of InfoComm are the smaller vendors with 10'x10' booths that surround all the major extravaganza manufacturers like Samsung, Christie Digital, Crestron, etc. Now that you are duly warned about the scale and scope of the show, let's dive into a few of the things I know you will want to see.
Of course we always start with displays, and nothing is more in the forefront of our industry than flatpanel displays. While the honor of being the biggest still goes to Panasonic and its 152in. plasma display, the folks at Sharp are throwing down the gauntlet with its giant 90in. Aquos LCD. This new model is part of the company's commercial display lineup with 60in., 70in., 80in., and now 90in. sizes to select from. Next on our hit parade is Samsung with its new SUR40 display that is currently shipping. In short, it is a 40in. LCD designed in a table format, but it is much more than that. A collaboration and partnership between Samsung and Microsoft, the SUR40 includes a touch system with 50 points of touch simultaneously. Built into the displays are infrared layers that sense objects placed on the display surface and actually recognize them. The surface interactivity is based on Natural User Interface (NUI) instead of the traditional graphical user interface (GUI). This nearly eliminates the learning curve for using the technology. I would recommend that you not just go and see the SUR40 but you stick around the booth and play with it. It is a real table, and if you spill stuff on it, not to worry—the unit is water-resistant for 2 hours.
One of our personal pet peeves in the world of displays is the image degradation in high ambient light conditions. In the world of flatpanels, the team at DynaScan has addressed this issue in spades. Most current commercial flatpanels are rated at 450 nits to 700 nits of brightness, but in really high ambient light environments, this is not enough. A few manufacturers are introducing 1200-nit to 1500-nit units, but this still may not be enough—especially in direct sunlight such as a store window or for a display that sits below a skylight with sunlight streaming in. DynaScan solves the problem with its new LCD lineup at 1500 nits to 5000 nits! The designs are ideal as individual screens and also as videowalls since they have the newest thin-bezel designs. All of this brightness does not come at the expense of color and contrast, which are both excellent.
You must stop by the Mitsubishi booth and see its new lineup of commercial LCD displays. The company is best known for excellent projectors and home theater products, but its full lineup of commercial displays now rival the big boys. The company has chosen to be in the high-resolution flatpanel market with its new 3840x2160 product. Now, some will say this is irrelevant since we are at 1080p at the top of most applications. Just remember: We are heading for higher resolutions. We see this in the new Apple iPad Retina display and several new smartphones. We are also seeing higher resolutions in digital cinemas with 2K and most recently 4K resolutions, and at higher frame rates. The concept is to show as much content as possible and higher resolution is a means to this end. Can we all say "next generation?"
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Women's football | The hard playing surface of Palestine (w/ video)
… I am going
to the fields, so I may glean
the free grain that falls
behind, if one may
look on me kindly— …
There, in the fields, gleaning
behind the harvesters, she found herself
by accident …
—Ruth 2:2–3, trans. David Rosenberg
Bethlehem, West Bank | This picture of the biblical Ruth, the Moabite, a poor woman gleaning in Bethlehem ("house of bread") behind reapers of barley strikes a parallel with the women's football team from Palestine, taking its passion and pleasure from scraps left by a patriarchal culture and occupying authorities.
Thaljieh, Jackline Jazrawi, Mshasha and Mousa feature in Italian journalist Conti's video. "Through football we can make our minds more open," says Jazrawi, "and our society too."
Even the language of the team's organizers, quoted in the recent Guardian Unlimited report by James Montague ("The Slow March to Equality," Jan 9), evokes Judeo-Christian scripture, if for no other reason than the national team's backbone trains in Bethlehem in the occupied West Bank. The side also has outposts in Ramallah, Jericho and Gaza, although, as with the men's team from Palestine, team members are prevented from training together due to a network of security checkpoints controlling access to patchwork Palestinian land holdings.
"We started with Honey," says Samar Araj Mousa, who as athletics director at Bethlehem University initiated the women's program in 2003. Mousa refers to Honey Thaljieh, 23, striker and captain. A 2006 Bethlehem University graduate in business administration, Thaljieh in interviews over the past few years emphasizes that tight controls on space and travel paradoxically have contributed to cohesion. "We have nowhere else to go and nowhere to put our energies," she tells Al-Jazeera. "In Bethlehem we are in a prison that is only open from above."
She expands on the idea in the video (see above) produced by Bethlehem-based Alternative Information Center editor Laura Conti:
We are just playing with our souls and spiritual abilities. It's because we are strong, we are Palestinian, we face a lot of difficulties. We want to be something.
Like most of the Bethlehem-based players, Thaljieh is Christian and faces less cultural and family stress than players who are Muslim. Islamic authorities within the Palestinian territories appear to agree that football for women is not haram, or forbidden, but stricter norms govern a woman's clothing and the expectations related to marriage and family. (See 11 Mar 07 and 28 Feb 07 for more on FIFA's policy regarding religious head coverings.)
Palestine has lost two first-team players to marriage. "From a religious point of view, Muslim or Christian," coach Raed Ayyad tells Montague, "no one has said that it's forbidden for women to play soccer. Islam says that sport is good for the body and if [the players] wear long clothes then it's not forbidden." Goalkeeper Nadine Klaib, 14, says that "wearing the veil gives me power."
Since forming, the Palestinians have played a series of international competitions, including the inaugural Arab Women's Football Championship and West Asian Women's Football Championship. (The Palestinian women's team is not ranked by FIFA.) On these occasions, they finally are able to unite as a team, to learn each other's names and to play on a full-sized pitch. Since their inception, the Bethlehem contingent has practiced on a concrete handball court at the university, which perhaps has facilitated close ball control but also a rash of knee injuries.
Travel to events abroad brings its own rigors. The previous coach, Emil Hilal, left the post after Israelis detained him before an overseas trip. Mousa, the athletics director, says that such is the routine that must be accommodated within itineraries.
When we go to Jordan for tournaments, we need all the day. First we pass through Wadi Nar, from the Palestine frontier, then from the Israeli controls, where they stop us for hours, questioning the girls and the coach, and checking if anybody is involved in politics. After that we pass to the Jordan side where they question us again. This is our problem.
No one fully escapes political involvement in this context. "She has to be smart and know the politics," says Sami Mshasha, with the United Nations Relief and Works Agency in Jerusalem, of Thaljieh's unwritten duties as team captain. His daughter, Sarouna, at 12 is the side's youngest player. Implicit within the participation of these girls and women, Mshasha implies, is acting as a brake on the conservative backlash that forms a natural response to occupation. The conservative impulse took concrete form when Hamas took control of the Palestinian parliament in Jan 06 elections.
Mshasha drives through the checkpoints in a white, UN-marked car and comments on the low priority with which the Palestinian FA treats the women's game. "You can almost hear them snickering," he says.
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