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The angel of the Lord rebukes the people. (1-5) The wickedness of the new generation after Joshua. (6-23)
Verses 1-5 It was the great Angel of the covenant, the Word, the Son of God, who spake with Divine authority as Jehovah, and now called them to account for their disobedience. God sets forth what he had done for Israel, and what he had promised. Those who throw off communion with God, and have fellowship with the unfruitful works of darkness, know not what they do now, and will have nothing to say for themselves in the day of account shortly. They must expect to suffer for this their folly. Those deceive themselves who expect advantages from friendship with God's enemies. God often makes men's sin their punishment; and thorns and snares are in the way of the froward, who will walk contrary to God. The people wept, crying out against their own folly and ingratitude. They trembled at the word, and not without cause. It is a wonder sinners can ever read the Bible with dry eyes. Had they kept close to God and their duty, no voice but that of singing had been heard in their congregation; but by their sin and folly they made other work for themselves, and nothing is to be heard but the voice of weeping. The worship of God, in its own nature, is joy, praise, and thanksgiving; our sins alone render weeping needful. It is pleasing to see men weep for their sins; but our tears, prayers, and even amendment, cannot atone for sin.
Verses 6-23 We have a general idea of the course of things in Israel, during the time of the Judges. The nation made themselves as mean and miserable by forsaking God, as they would have been great and happy if they had continued faithful to him. Their punishment answered to the evil they had done. They served the gods of the nations round about them, even the meanest, and God made them serve the princes of the nations round about them, even the meanest. Those who have found God true to his promises, may be sure that he will be as true to his threatenings. He might in justice have abandoned them, but he could not for pity do it. The Lord was with the judges when he raised them up, and so they became saviours. In the days of the greatest distress of the church, there shall be some whom God will find or make fit to help it. The Israelites were not thoroughly reformed; so mad were they upon their idols, and so obstinately bent to backslide. Thus those who have forsaken the good ways of God, which they have once known and professed, commonly grow most daring and desperate in sin, and have their hearts hardened. Their punishment was, that the Canaanites were spared, and so they were beaten with their own rod. Men cherish and indulge their corrupt appetites and passions; therefore God justly leaves them to themselves, under the power of their sins, which will be their ruin. God has told us how deceitful and desperately wicked our hearts are, but we are not willing to believe it, until by making bold with temptation we find it true by sad experience. We need to examine how matters stand with ourselves, and to pray without ceasing, that we may be rooted and grounded in love, and that Christ may dwell in our hearts by faith. Let us declare war against every sin, and follow after holiness all our days.
Judges 2:1-10 . AN ANGEL SENT TO REBUKE THE PEOPLE AT BOCHIM.
1-3. an angel . . . came from Gilgal to Bochim--We are inclined to think, from the authoritative tone of his language, that he was the Angel of the Covenant ( Exodus 23:20 , Joshua 5:14 ); the same who appeared in human form and announced himself captain of the Lord's host. His coming from Gilgal had a peculiar significance, for there the Israelites made a solemn dedication of themselves to God on their entrance into the promised land [ Joshua 4:1-9 ]; and the memory of that religious engagement, which the angel's arrival from Gilgal awakened, gave emphatic force to his rebuke of their apostasy.
Bochim--"the weepers," was a name bestowed evidently in allusion to this incident or the place, which was at or near Shiloh.
I said, I will never break my covenant with you . . . but ye have not obeyed my voice--The burden of the angel's remonstrance was that God would inviolably keep His promise; but they, by their flagrant and repeated breaches of their covenant with Him, had forfeited all claim to the stipulated benefits. Having disobeyed the will of God by voluntarily courting the society of idolaters and placing themselves in the way of temptation, He left them to suffer the punishment of their misdeeds.
4, 5. when the angel of the Lord spake these words . . . the people lifted up their voice, and wept--The angel's expostulation made a deep and painful impression. But the reformation was but temporary, and the gratifying promise of a revival which this scene of emotion held out, was, ere long, blasted by speedy and deeper relapses into the guilt of defection and idolatry.
6-10. And when Joshua had let the people go--This passage is a repetition of Joshua 24:29-31 . It was inserted here to give the reader the reasons which called forth so strong and severe a rebuke from the angel of the Lord. During the lifetime of the first occupiers, who retained a vivid recollection of all the miracles and judgments which they had witnessed in Egypt and the desert, the national character stood high for faith and piety. But, in course of time, a new race arose who were strangers to all the hallowed and solemnizing experience of their fathers, and too readily yielded to the corrupting influences of the idolatry that surrounded them.
Judges 2:11-19 . WICKEDNESS OF THE NEW GENERATION AFTER JOSHUA.
11-19. the children of Israel did evil in the sight of the Lord--This chapter, together with the first eight verses of the next [Judges 2:11-3:8'], contains a brief but comprehensive summary of the principles developed in the following history. An attentive consideration of them, therefore, is of the greatest importance to a right understanding of the strange and varying phases of Israelitish history, from the death of Joshua till the establishment of the monarchy.
served Baalim--The plural is used to include all the gods of the country.
13. Ashtaroth--Also a plural word, denoting all the female divinities, whose rites were celebrated by the most gross and revolting impurities.
14. the anger of the Lord was hot against Israel, and he delivered them into the hands of spoilers that spoiled them--Adversities in close and rapid succession befell them. But all these calamities were designed only as chastisements--a course of correctional discipline by which God brought His people to see and repent of their errors; for as they returned to faith and allegiance. He "raised up judges" ( Judges 2:16 ).
16. which delivered them out of the hand of those that spoiled them--The judges who governed Israel were strictly God's vicegerents in the government of the people, He being the supreme ruler. Those who were thus elevated retained the dignity as long as they lived; but there was no regular, unbroken succession of judges. Individuals, prompted by the inward, irresistible impulse of God's Spirit when they witnessed the depressed state of their country, were roused to achieve its deliverance. It was usually accompanied by a special call, and the people seeing them endowed with extraordinary courage or strength, accepted them as delegates of Heaven, and submitted to their sway. Frequently they were appointed only for a particular district, and their authority extended no farther than over the people whose interests they were commissioned to protect. They were without pomp, equipage, or emoluments attached to the office. They had no power to make laws; for these were given by God; nor to explain them, for that was the province of the priests--but they were officially upholders of the law, defenders of religion, avengers of all crimes, particularly of idolatry and its attendant vices.


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- 5 large eggs
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- 1/4 teaspoon salt
- 2 tablespoons vanilla extract
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- 1/4 cup whole milk
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- 1/8 teaspoon salt
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- Calories731
- Carbohydrates72 g (24%)
- Fat47 g (72%)
- Protein10 g (20%)
- Saturated Fat21 g (107%)
- Sodium488 mg (20%)
- Polyunsaturated Fat4 g
- Fiber3 g (11%)
- Monounsaturated Fat13 g
- Cholesterol181 mg (60%)
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By the Associated Press and N-R staff
UPDATEd, Saturday, Feb. 23:
Friday afternoon, Scott William Cox was released to the Yamhill County Jail; Saturday morning he woke up as a free man for the first time in 20 years. Since he has no home, no job and no family in the area, he remains at the county jail from 8 p.m. to 8 a.m. each night. During the day he is free, but monitored.
Cox wears a GPS device allowing law enforcement to monitor his whereabouts. Saturday, he walked throughout downtown McMinnville and north along Baker Street, twice walking along the edges of areas he cannot enter such as City Park.
Cox was released to Yamhill County because he lived in Newberg when convicted. He is out of prison five years early, must remain on probation for life, and still is considered dangerous by some law enforcement officials.
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PORTLAND — An Oregon man who was convicted of two murders in the 1990s and is a person of interest in other killings is set to be released from prison in two weeks.
Scott William Cox, 49, will return to Yamhill County for post-prison supervision after his Feb. 22 release, the Department of Corrections said Thursday afternoon.
The long-haul truck driver pleaded no contest in 1993 to two counts of murder. He was sentenced to 25 years in prison but is leaving early because of good behavior and credit for time served in a county jail before his conviction, agency spokeswoman Liz Craig said.
Cox was convicted before the state passed tougher sentencing laws.
He was charged with fatally stabbing 34-year-old Reena Ann Brunson outside a northeast Portland grocery store in November 1990 and strangling 32-year-old Victoria Rhone at a Portland rail yard in February 1991. Both women were prostitutes.
Reena Brunson's mother told KPTV she he had not been told of Cox's impending release and declined further comment. There was no answer at her phone number Thursday afternoon.
At the time of his arrest, police agencies in cities along his routes examined the unsolved deaths of young women who frequented truck stops. The trucker had been in cities where 20 similar crimes occurred.
"There's a lot more than just that 20, but those look like the ones that we can do something with," Newberg, Ore., police Detective Ken Summers told The Associated Press in 1992.
Police in Mountlake Terrace, Wash., told the Seattle Post-Intelligencer in 2003 that they considered Cox the only suspect in the 1990 slaying of a young woman.
Cox was never charged with any additional crimes.
Yamhill County sheriff's Capt. Tim Svenson said advances in DNA testing might help investigators connect Cox to unsolved cold cases. He said local detectives have already been in contact with law enforcement agencies in California, alerting them that Cox is getting out.
Before his arrest, Cox was living in a Newberg motel when not on the road. He will be returned to that county for his post-prison supervision.
Because Cox has no job or place to go, he will initially be housed in a barracks-type setting at the jail. Cox will be able to leave in the morning but must return at a certain time each night, and he's forbidden from crossing the county line.
"He will be a free man," Svenson said. "But not as free as a regular citizen."
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Does he know how to type?
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What does worry me is the fact they think he did more, if he did, there is a problem, because he obviously kept it quiet for 20 years, and I doubt he workerd on "himself" why there, making him still a danger. I think if I was DOC I would attempt to keep him busy all day and have someone watch closely at night.
I'm just afraid this won't be the last we hear from this guy.
Long-haul trucker, Newberg, Oregon
Crimes in Washington:
Stabbed one prostitute and strangled another in Portland. Suspected in more than 20 others murders, including the 1988 homicide of Snohomish County transient Hazel Gelnett and the 1990 murder of Tia Hicks, a Seattle woman whose body was found in Montlake Terrace. Also suspected of raping and trying to kill a Seattle prostitute in May 1991."
Why do you think that is? And at who's feet would you lay the blame for that, Lulu?
Liberal/Progressive leaning Judges, perhaps?
Should that person at some later point in time be found or discovered to actually have been innocent, then in my opinion there should be some automatic pre-determined recompense forthcoming to that persons family and/or heirs.
40 nontaxable acres forever & a mule, would make for a good start. Any thoughts?
Justice is a concept translated by humans who are flawed by definition. While justice is depicted as blind, I suspect on occasion the mask slips and she notices the denomination of the currency changing hands. And I believe Troy's point is valid; investigations are not uniformly robust when victims are considered throwaway people by society.
After all it might be fate that we arrive in the same county at the same time. wink..
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Simon Cowell is the new Winston Churchill -- last night he took his current girlfriend AND his ex-fiancee out to dinner ... at the same time ... and somehow, it didn't end in World War 3.
Simon treated baby mama-GF Lauren Silverman and ex-fiancee Mezhgan Hussainy to a fancy dinner at Miami's Prime Fish, where they ate outside and basked in Florida's stifling humidity.
The three later emerged from the restaurant without a single scratch.
Guess Mezhgan wasn't lying when she said she was happy for Simon and his new girl -- the $8 million mansion Simon gave her probably didn't hurt either.
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I AM a Good Dad!!
Even Doctors Agree
Simon Cowell knows more about caring for infants than you think, and says ... medically, there's NO issue with his little beach vaca with his baby.
Simon and Lauren Silverman were out for dinner last night in Miami -- sans baby Eric -- when he fired back at critics (like us) who said it probably wasn't a great idea to take their 10-day-old baby out for a day on the beach.
Simon says Eric is "very healthy" ... and added the whole trip was doc approved.
Probably can't say the same for his extremely exposed chest.
Simon Cowell
Warned By Cops
Get Your Bitches Off Our Beaches
Simon Cowell's two dogs are puppies non grata on the beach in Miami -- the TV mogul was just warned by cops to get them off the sand ... or else.
Simon's been chilling in the sun all day with GF Lauren Silverman and their newborn son Eric -- but despite the beach's explicit NO DOGS ALLOWED rule, he brought along his two Yorkshire Terriers Squiddly and Diddly.
We're told a police officer gave Simon an official warning ... and Simon and Lauren took off soon after.
We almost felt bad for the dogs ... almost.
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Life Is Complicated with Baby
Simon Cowell was sent packing Friday ... just days after his baby was born, but not because Lauren Silverman threw him out -- because a judge laid down the law in her complicated custody case.
As we previously reported ... Lauren's nasty divorce from Andrew Silverman ended with a custody arrangement for their 7-year-old son Adam, which required Lauren to keep Simon away from the kid for a year. Adam stayed with Lauren over the last few days, which meant Simon needed to skedaddle.
Simon moved into the swanky St. Regis Hotel in NYC ... but we're told he moved back with Lauren when Adam left.
As for the immediate future ... we're told Simon will stay in NYC for 4 to 5 weeks, until their baby is allowed to fly. The new family will then go to London for "X Factor" auditions. They'll be in the UK for around 3 weeks and then return to NYC.
Our Simon sources say he and Lauren will split their time between NYC and London, and since he has a plane it's no big deal.
It comes as a sacrifice. Simon won't be spending much time in Bev Hills ... which he loves. Instead he'll be in NYC a lot -- a place he doesn't love.
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I've Got This Baby Thing All Backward
Simon Cowell flashed his new daddy skills -- in front of all the paparazzi -- and FAILED MISERABLY at the dreaded car seat test.
Simon and Lauren Silverman took their newborn Eric to the doctor Friday for a checkup. Lauren said the baby's doing great -- and then it was Simon's time to shine ... or not.
Watch what happens when he attempts to load the kid into the car. If we're being honest ... Papa Cowell made a big no-no.
Good thing his driver has baby seat experience.
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Simon Cowell's new son has been cleared for takeoff -- TMZ has learned, the 5-day-old child just got his very first passport ... to become one of the most well-traveled jetsetting babies in the world.
Simon and Lauren just left an NYC courthouse, where they filed papers to get their son Eric his passport.
We're told BOTH parents had to be present in order to get the official government paperwork -- and since Simon's only in town for a few days, the couple decided to check this off their to-do list right away.
Makes sense -- Simon spends tons of time in the UK ... so baby Eric will obviously be making plenty of trips across the pond.
That said ... experts recommend waiting until a newborn is 4-6 weeks old before taking it on an airplane ... so Eric's probably not flying anywhere any time soon.
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Simon Cowell has a male in his life that is actually showing more chest than him -- and his name is Eric.
It's a pretty shocking sight for a man who by all accounts has avoided parenthood for 54 years.
Simon boasted how handsome his son is, adding, "I never knew how much love and pride I would feel."
Simon, Lauren Silverman and 2-day-old Eric posed for the pic in the NYC hospital where the kid was born.
So how do you feel today ... looking at a 2-day-old kid who will never have to work a day in his life?
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4:25 PM PT -- the baby's name is ERIC ... after Simon's father.
Simon Cowell is officially a father ... his pregnant GF Lauren Silverman has finally popped in NYC.
36-year-old Silverman just gave birth to a healthy baby boy at Lenox Hill Hospital -- after Simon flew across the ocean from London to be by her side for the delivery. As we reported, Lauren went into labor early this morning and Simon hopped on a plane as soon as he heard.
We're told the baby was born at 5:45 PM EST at 6 pounds, 7 ounces.
The boy is 54-year-old Simon's first child and Lauren's second -- she also has an 8-year-old son with her ex Andrew Silverman.
So far, no word on the baby's name.
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Simon Cowell's baby mama better tighten up her lady parts ... 'cause the "X-Factor" judge just landed in New York -- and he's making a beeline for the hospital.
We broke the story ... Lauren Silverman went into labor early Friday morning -- and Simon rushed home from London to be there -- but based on his look in the pic ... the soon to be dad doesn't look too worried about missing things.
Something tells us he won't be filming the gruesome process.
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7:25 AM PT -- Daddy's gonna make it ... our maternity sources tell us Simon is zipping across the pond right now, and Lauren is early enough in labor that docs will delay the birth until he arrives.
Simon Cowell's first baby is on the way -- his girlfriend Lauren Silverman is in labor, and has checked into a New York City hospital ... and Simon is racing to get there before the kid arrives.
Sources close to Lauren tell TMZ she went to Lenox Hill hospital in Manhattan (Upper East Side, of course) within the last few hours -- and immediately sent up the baby signal ... alerting Simon to get on a private jet bound for NYC.
He's been in London shooting one of his competition TV shows.
If Lauren has the baby today -- they're expecting a boy -- we're told she'd be about a week and a half early, but it's nothing to worry about.
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TMZ is privy to the unbelievable settlement agreement, which also provides that if Lauren violates the Simon stay-away clause 3 times, she loses all contact with her son, Adam, until a court deals with the violations.
The Simon stay-away clause only lasts until January, 2015. So presumably the kid can be around Simon in a year ... if he's still part of Lauren's life.
But the plot thickens. The settlement agreement also provides Andrew Silverman, Lauren's ex, cannot trash Simon to Adam and has a legal obligation to make sure no one else around him talks smack.
And there's a clause in the settlement that provides Lauren and Andrew both agree to prevent Adam from calling anyone other than them "mother" or "father." Translation: Simon is not your daddy.
Andrew agrees to pay Lauren $3k a month in child support ... a modest amount and it goes to what TMZ has been reporting ... that Simon will become the cash cow.
Finally, Lauren and Andrew agreed to change the cause of divorce from adultery to "broken down irretrievably."
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Simon Cowell's baby mama Lauren Silverman and her ex won't be settling any future disputes through overpaid lawyers -- they've enlisted a trusted mutual friend to hash out their differences ... a man who also happens to be a famous BILLIONAIRE.
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Under the settlement, Green will be one of two mediators (the other being attorney Martin Edelman) for the next 5 years.
We're told the reason Green was named a mediator is because Lauren, Andrew, and Simon each consider him to be a close friend -- and feel comfortable using Green as a neutral go-between.
How do they all know each other? We're told Green introduced Simon to Andrew and Lauren years ago (while Andrew and Lauren were still together) and all four of them hit it off.
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Two interesting things about this video with Simon Cowell and the woman carrying his fetus, Lauren Silverman. And it's all about who is responsible for what in their relationship.
Lauren's responsibilities -- according to the couple, Lauren is tasked with making the decision about filming the birth of their child.
*Note -- Our camera guy has volunteered for the job ... and Lauren didn't exactly turn him down.
Simon's responsibilities -- Lauren says the decision to get married is entirely up to him.
Check out the clip ... it's pretty fun video.


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The Jews in Egypt persist in idolatry. (1-14) They refuse to reform. (15-19) Jeremiah then denounces destruction upon them. (20-30)
Verses 1-14 God reminds the Jews of the sins that brought desolations upon Judah. It becomes us to warn men of the danger of sin with all seriousness: Oh, do not do it! If you love God, do not, for it is provoking to him; if you love your own souls, do not, for it is destructive to them. Let conscience do this for us in the hour of temptation. The Jews whom God sent into the land of the Chaldeans, were there, by the power of God's grace, weaned from idolatry; but those who went by their own perverse will into the land of the Egyptians, were there more attached than ever to their idolatries. When we thrust ourselves without cause or call into places of temptation, it is just with God to leave us to ourselves. If we walk contrary to God, he will walk contrary to us. The most awful miseries to which men are exposed, are occasioned by the neglect of offered salvation.
Verses 15-19 These daring sinners do not attempt excuses, but declare they will do that which is forbidden. Those who disobey God, commonly grow worse and worse, and the heart is more hardened by the deceitfulness of sin. Here is the real language of the rebellious heart. Even the afflictions which should have parted them from their sins, were taken so as to confirm them in their sins. It is sad when those who should quicken each other to what is good, and so help one another to heaven, harden each other in sin, and so ripen one another for hell. To mingle idolatry with Divine worship, and to reject the mediation of Christ, are provoking to God, and ruinous to men. All who worship images, or honour saints, and angels, and the queen of heaven, should recollect what came from the idolatrous practices of the Jews.
Verses 20-30 Whatever evil comes upon us, it is because we have sinned against the Lord; we should therefore stand in awe, and sin not. Since they were determined to persist in their idolatry, God would go on to punish them. What little remains of religion were among them, would be lost. The creature-comforts and confidences from which we promise ourselves most, may fail as soon as those from which we promise ourselves least; and all are what God makes them, not what we fancy them to be. Well-grounded hopes of our having a part in the Divine mercy, are always united with repentance and obedience.
Jeremiah 44:1-30 . JEREMIAH REPROVES THE JEWS FOR THEIR IDOLATRY IN EGYPT, AND DENOUNCES GOD'S JUDGMENTS ON THEM AND EGYPT ALIKE.
1. Migdol--meaning a "tower." A city east of Egypt, towards the Red Sea ( Exodus 14:2 , Numbers 33:7 ).
Noph--Memphis, now Cairo ( Jeremiah 2:16 ).
Pathros--Upper Egypt ( Isaiah 11:11 ).
2. evil . . . upon Jerusalem--If I spared not My own sacred city, much less shall ye be safe in Egypt, which I loathe.
3. they went--implying perverse assiduity: they went out of their way to burn incense (one species of idolatry put for all kinds), &c.
4. ( 2 Chronicles 36:15 ).
7. now--after so many warnings.
commit . . . this . . . evil against your souls--( Jeremiah 7:19 , Numbers 16:38 , Proverbs 8:36 ). It is not God whom you injure, but yourselves.
8. in . . . Egypt--where they polluted themselves to ingratiate themselves with the Egyptians.
ye be gone--not compelled by fear, but of your own accord, when I forbade you, and when it was free to you to stay in Judea.
that ye might cut yourselves off--They, as it were, purposely courted their own ruin.
9. Have you forgotten how the wickednesses of your fathers were the source of the greatest calamities to you?
their wives--The Jews' worldly queens were great promoters of idolatry ( 1 Kings 11:1-8 , 15:13 , 16:31 ).
the land of Judah--They defiled the land which was holy unto God.
10. They . . . you--The third person puts them to a distance from God on account of their alienating themselves from Him. The second person implies that God formerly had directly addressed them.
humbled--literally, "contrite" ( Psalms 51:17 ).
neither . . . feared--( Proverbs 28:14 ).
14. none . . . shall escape . . . that they should return, &c.--The Jews had gone to Egypt with the idea that a return to Judea, which they thought hopeless to their brethren in Babylon, would be an easy matter to themselves in Egypt: the exact reverse should happen in the case of each respectively. The Jews whom God sent to Babylon were there weaned from idolatry, and were restored; those who went to Egypt by their perverse will were hardened in idolatry, and perished there.
have a desire--literally, "lift up (their) soul," that is, their hopes (compare Jeremiah 22:27 , Margin; Deuteronomy 24:15 , Margin).
none shall return but such as shall escape--namely, the "small number" ( Jeremiah 44:28 ) who were brought by force into Egypt, as Jeremiah and Baruch, and those who, in accordance with Jeremiah's advice, should flee from Egypt before the arrival of the Chaldeans CALVIN less probably refers the words to the return of the exiles in Babylon, which the Jews in Egypt regarded as hopeless.
15. their wives--The idolatry began with them ( 1 Kings 11:4 , 1 Timothy 2:14 ). Their husbands' connivance implicated them in the guilt.
16. we will not--( Jeremiah 6:16 ).
17. whatsoever . . . goeth . . . out of our . . . mouth--whatever vow we have uttered to our gods ( Jeremiah 44:25 , Deuteronomy 23:23 , Judges 11:36 ). The source of all superstitions is that men oppose their own will and fancies to God's commands.
we . . . fathers . . . king, &c.--The evil was restricted to no one class: all from the highest to the lowest shared the guilt.
then had we plenty--Fools attribute their seeming prosperity to God's connivance at their sin: but see Proverbs 1:32 , Ecclesiastes 8:11-13 . In fact, God had often chastised them for their idolatry (see Judges 2:14 ); but it is the curse of impiety not to perceive the hand of God in calamities.
victuals--Men cast away the bread of the soul for the bread that perisheth ( Deuteronomy 8:3 , John 6:27 ). So Esau ( Hebrews 12:16 ).
18. They impute their calamities to their service of God, but these are often marks of His favor, not of wrath, to do His people good at their latter end ( Deuteronomy 8:16 ).
19. make . . . cakes to worship her--MAURER translates, "to form her image." Crescent-shaped cakes were offered to the moon. Vulgate supports English Version.
without our men--The women mentioned ( Jeremiah 44:15 ); "a great multitude" here speak: we have not engaged in secret night orgies which might justly be regarded unfavorably by our husbands: our sacred rites have been open, and with their privity. They wish to show how unreasonable it is that Jeremiah should oppose himself alone to the act of all, not merely women, but men also. The guilty, like these women, desire to shield themselves under the complicity of others. Instead of helping one another towards heaven, husband and wife often ripen one another for hell.
21. The incense . . . did not the Lord remember--Jeremiah owns that they did as they said, but in retort asks, did not God repay their own evil-doing? Their very land in its present desolation attests this ( Jeremiah 44:22 ), as was foretold ( Jeremiah 25:11 Jeremiah 25:18 Jeremiah 25:38 ).
23. law--the moral precepts.
statutes--the ceremonial.
testimonies--the judicial ( Daniel 9:11 Daniel 9:12 ).
25. Ye . . . have both spoken with . . . mouths, and fulfilled with . . . hand--ironical praise. They had pleaded their obligation to fulfil their vows, in excuse for their idolatry. He answers, no one can accuse you of unsteadiness as to your idolatrous vows; but steadfastness towards God ought to have prevented you from making, or, when made, from keeping such vows.
ye will surely accomplish . . . vows--Jeremiah hereby gives them up to their own fatal obstinacy.
26. I have sworn--I, too have made a vow which I will fulfil. Since ye will not hear Me speaking and warning, hear Me swearing.
by my great name--that is, by Myself ( Genesis 22:16 ), the greatest by whom God can swear ( Hebrews 6:13 Hebrews 6:14 ).
my name shall no more be named--The Jews, heretofore, amidst all their idolatry, had retained the form of appeal to the name of God and the law, the distinctive glory of their nation; God will allow this no more ( Ezekiel 20:39 ): there shall be none left there to profane His name thus any more.
27. watch over . . . for evil--( Jeremiah 1:10 , Ezekiel 7:6 ). The God, whose providence is ever solicitously watching over His people for good, shall solicitously, as it were, watch for their hurt. Contrast Jeremiah 31:28 , 32:41 .
Jeremiah 42:17 , Isaiah 27:13 ); compare "all-consumed" ( Jeremiah 44:27 ). A band easily counted, whereas they were expecting to return triumphantly in large numbers.29. this . . . sign unto you--The calamity of Pharaoh-hophra fall before his enemy, so you shall subsequently fall before Nebuchadnezzar ( Matthew 24:8 ) [GROTIUS]. CALVIN makes the "sign" to be simultaneous with the event signified, not antecedent to it, as in Exodus 3:12 . The Jews believed Egypt impregnable, so shut in was it by natural barriers. The Jews being "punished in this place" will be a sign that their view is false, and God's threat true. He calls it "a sign unto you," because God's prediction is equivalent to the event, so that they may even now take it as a sign. When fulfilled it would cease to be a sign to them: for they would be dead.
30. Hophra--in HERODOTUS called Apries. He succeeded Psammis, the successor of Pharaoh-necho, who was beaten by Nebuchadnezzar at Carchemish, on the Euphrates. Amasis rebelled against, and overcame him, in the city Sais.
them that seek his life--HERODOTUS, in curious accordance with this, records that Amasis, after treating Hophra well at first, was instigated, by persons who thought they could not be safe unless he were put to death, to strangle him. "His enemies" refer to Amasis, &c.; the words are accurately chosen, so as not to refer to Nebuchadnezzar, who is not mentioned till the end of the verse, and in connection with Zedekiah ( Ezekiel 20:3 , 30:21 ). Amasis' civil war with Hophra pioneered the way for Nebuchadnezzar's invasion in the twenty-third year of his reign [JOSEPHUS, Antiquities, 10.11].


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Make way for the Prince
by Vince Morales on May 28th, 2009We now take a break from gloating about SINGLE HANDEDLY changing Todd Coffey's entrance music to talk about Prince Fielder.
Prince Fielder is either the best or the second best player on the Brewers. Period.
No matter how you measure it he is more valuable than anyone on the team not named Ryan Braun. Yet, I think of all the Brewers he gets the least amount of respect and it doesn't make a lick of sense to me. Consider this: if Prince Fielder hits 20 more home runs this year and then 30 home runs next year (which is a HUGELY conservative estimate) he would be #6 on the Brewers all time list. Two more and he's tied for fifth, he even has an outside chance of tying Cecil Cooper for 4th (he'd have to average 43.5). He is basically GUARANTEEED to have the sixth most home runs in Brewers history. That's crazy. He's currently second to Ryan Braun (who else?) for 2nd best OPS in team history and he's right there with Sexson and Braun in At bats per home run. He's hit more home runs in a season than any Brewer ever has. Basically, Prince Fielder is one of the greatest power hitters Brewers fans have ever seen. So where's the love?
Now, I'm not saying that he's not liked. He is liked, I just think that his contributions aren't as appreciated as they should be. He's always expected to do more, play better defense, hit more home runs, everything. Whenever people talk about trading someone to improve the pitching (which is so horrible that it ranks 6th in the National League) Prince is the first person brought up (in the interest of fairness, these people are idiots). I'm here to tell you that getting rid of Prince Fielder is the equivalent of throwing in the towel. This team does not make the playoffs without him. The team is lucky to finish .500 without him. Furthermore as fans of the team, we should want to hang onto Prince for as long as possible. We are witnessing a GREAT power hitter that most teams aren't as lucky to see come through their system. I just don't get it. Why doesn't Prince get the adulation he deserves?
Possible reasons:
- Crappy at-bat music (see above)
- Despite terrible at-bat music, it's still better than fan favorite Corey Hart's
- Decided to become a vegetarian after reading a book called Skinny Bitch
- Weight issues remind fans too much of their own
- Manny Parra fans still upset Prince nearly killed him
- #28 reminds fans of the film 28 Days Later bringing up unresolved zombie issues
- Not Ryan Braun
If Prince was on a lot of other teams he would undoubtedly be that team's best player, but since the Brewers have Ryan Braun he's the second banana. It's not fair, it's just the way it is. Prince is still amongst the top 30-40 players in Major League Baseball, unfortunately for him his teammate is in the top 10-15.


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Posted 21 May 2010 - 05:43 AM
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Posted 21 May 2010 - 05:44 AM
This morning MRV is enabled again and the charge does show on my account
Received an email at 6:18A this morning:
Thank you for writing. I understand you would like to add the Whole-Home DVR Service. To enjoy the very best experience with our Whole-Home DVR Service, customers must make use of our SWiM network. Our proven technology creates a connection (network) with coaxial cables and eliminates issues that exist with an Ethernet connection (network) such as Freeze Frame and Pixelation. Testing has shown that DIRECTV may not be able to completely eliminate some of these issues within an Ethernet network where Whole-Home DVR Service is being used.
However, per your request I've added Whole-Home DVR Service at its normal price of $3 per month. Please note that we will be unable to provide additional support (troubleshooting) specific to the Whole-Home DVR Service. Furthermore, this offer doesn't include DECAs and Band-Stop Filters nor receiver swaps.
I appreciate you giving us the opportunity to assist you with your concerns. We do appreciate having you as a customer and we look forward to serving you for many more years to come.
Thanks again for writing.
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DIRECTV Resolution Specialist
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Posted 21 May 2010 - 06:08 AM
I was going to go the email route described in the first post of this thread to give DIRECTV the courtesy of not tying up their CSR system, but then I started thinking about how poorly DIRECTV has executed this changeover to pay-for-MRV where they essentially screw over their loyal beta testers by turning off their MRV without being properly prepared to let them easily and seamlessly continue MRV service if they were willing to pay for it. That kind of poor treatment of their beta testers doesn't really deserve any courtesy in return... plus I wanted MRV back immediately, not when they got around to acting on some email request, so I decided to call them up instead. After two CSRs who weren't able to help me (not their fault, it evidently wasn't something that they could do with the options available at their station), my call was escalated to someone who was able to authorize me with the caveat that my non-DECA network wouldn't be officially supported.
There are many different ways that DIRECTV could have handled the ending of the beta test program.... most or all of them better than what they did do.
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Posted 21 May 2010 - 06:23 AM
I sent the email last night at 8:30 and have yet to receive a reply. I guess they have been swamped. Anyway, will the reply indicate if i have to change package from CHOICE XTRA + HDDVR in order to activate MRV? I'd really like to avoid having to call.I have the premier package and lifetime dvr service (from the tivo days). I've been using MRV on my home network for many months. I sent the e-mail in about five hours ago and just got the reply that they activated MRV. I checked my DVRs and it is working.
It seems they are as clueless about answering their email as if I had called.
There's no indication on DirecTV for my account nor do the DVRs indicate that MRV is authorized.
Posted 21 May 2010 - 06:28 AM
About an hour later it still hadn't shown up, so I called Tech Support again. This time the agent did some research and said it couldn't be added unless I switch to the SWiM dish for a $99 charge. I told her it was working fine with my old dish in the beta program, but she wouldn't budge. I wasn't willing to shell out $99 to get a new dish for a network feature that doesn't have anything to do with the dish, so I ended the call so I could try again with a different agent.
The third call went about as well as the first (although she did mention that I didn't have the SWiM dish). This time I tested before ending the call, and it was working.
For those interested, I have a legacy Total Choice+ plan and an older AT-9 dish.
Receiver 2: HR20-700 to Vizio VX37L: HDMI, OTA, wired network, DOD, Seagate 750GB eSATA
Dish: AT-9
Network: Linksys router, 1.5M DSL
Posted 21 May 2010 - 06:36 AM
I'm happy now that I got it working, but I totally agree that the transfer from beta could have been handled much better.
Posted 21 May 2010 - 06:45 AM
Thank you for writing. We will be happy to assist you with adding the Whole-Home DVR service to your account. Please know that to enjoy the very best of our Whole-Home DVR service, we request that customer's upgrade to our SWiM Network for optimal usage of the Whole-Home DVR service.
While we understand that you have made a substantial investment in a non-SWiM home network, we can activate the Whole-Home DVR service at its normal price at $3.00 per residence. However, we will be unable to provide additional support (troubleshooting) specific to the Whole-Home DVR Service. In addition, by adding the service without upgrading doesn't include DECAs and Band-Stop Filters nor receiver swaps.
We believe that the upgrade is a substantial value and provides the very best, fully supported, Whole-Home DVR Service experience. We strongly encourage you to take this upgrade offer so that you can receive optimal usage of the Whole-Home DVR service.
In order to activate services for Whole-Home DVR, you will need to upgrade your package to a current package of CHOICE or above as your current package is no longer available. Package availability can be viewed at directv.com/packages or you may call us at 1-800-531-5000 to upgrade your packaging at any time.
If you choose not to upgrade your equipment and still want us to add the service on, please write back and let us know.
Thank you again for writing.
I do not think I should have to change my package to turn this on
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Posted 21 May 2010 - 06:46 AM
Posted 21 May 2010 - 06:53 AM
it is just completely and utterly ridiculous that you can't just activate this online like nearly everything else directv offers.
You are activating MRV in an unsupported mode. They are not going to let you order something like that on-line.
What had me really agitated was the 2nd CSR and the Supervisor said they did not have MRV beta in my area when I told them I had it working for months... What, now I'm lying?? I had it from the first day it was available.
I'm happy now that I got it working, but I totally agree that the transfer from beta could have been handled much better.
I assume they probably thought you were referring to the MRV/DECA beta test, which was only available in 4 markets, none of which was yours.
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Posted 21 May 2010 - 06:59 AM
Anyone get the legacy premier w/ FREE DVR working yet with MRV? I refuse to pay $7. I could switch to UVerse for $20 less a month and have FREE MRV. I'm OK paying $3/mo for MRV, but I'm not paying $10 total because DTV has either A) moronic programmers that can't figure out to program for different scenarios or money hungry management that wants to nickle and dime their customers.
If anyone from DTV is reading this you have two weeks to figure this out or I'm done with you and I'll take my $170/month elsewhere.
I activated it and they said nothing about removing the grandfathered Premier with free DVR service.
Posted 21 May 2010 - 07:07 AM
Posted 21 May 2010 - 07:18 AM
I activated via phone on Wednesday using the instructions provided in the previous thread, and all was working well after that. However, last night the service switched to "Not Authorized" with no warning messages or anything. My bill shows the service was credited back to my account minus the .10 for the one day it was active. I modified the message in the first post to better suit my needs and hopefully they can get this resolved.
This is becoming even more FUBARed than it already was, and who would have thought that was possible?
There's so many talented, rational people from D* here... obviously none of them are in charge.
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Posted 21 May 2010 - 07:19 AM
I sure hope so .. This is what I've been told is the case.
Just got the response back this morning.
This really is extremely frustrating!Thank you for writing and having been a loyal DIRECTV customer since 2000. We appreciate your continued support.
Please be advised in order for us to be able to add unsupported Whole Home DVR Service to your account, you will first need to upgrade to a current base package. A list of current packages is available at directv.com/packages.
As a friendly reminder, to enjoy the very best experience with our Whole-Home DVR Service, customers must make use of our SWiM network. Our proven technology creates a connection with coaxial cables and eliminates issues that exist with an Ethernet connection such as freeze framing.
Testing has shown that DIRECTV may not be able to completely eliminate some of these issues within an Ethernet network where Whole-Home DVR Service is being used, which is why we recommend the Whole Home DVR upgrade. If you do want to proceed with an order, please feel free to call us at 800-531-5000 to do so.
If you don't wish to upgrade, we'd still be happy to add unsupported Whole Home DVR Service to your account once your account has a current base package active. Please contact us back at that time to add Whole Home DVR Service.
I apologize for any frustration this may cause and appreciate your understanding. Thanks again for writing and continually choosing DIRECTV.
Yvonne S ID 400467
DIRECTV Resolution Specialist
Posted 21 May 2010 - 07:26 AM
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Posted 21 May 2010 - 07:28 AM
Posted 21 May 2010 - 07:38 AM
Seems the "preferred" email route doesn't work as well as expected. Could someone please tell me how to go the Twitter route? It seems reports are that works the best.
I've been told that the Twitter folks will be directing you to the E-mail route ..
DIRECTV employee since August 2011.
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Posted 21 May 2010 - 07:42 AM
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Posted 21 May 2010 - 07:46 AM
I received the same email. They want me to "upgrade" to a current package. <sigh>
-- Lee
I wonder if they hardened their position or changed the rules in the middle of the day yesterday, or perhaps after 2 p.m. or so, when they cut the BETA off?
I ask this because I have TC+ (not HD-DVR) and I called at 9:30 a.m. Central, and after an extended call, where my package was not even raised as an issue, I got authorized just fine. The problem was the CSR while very cooperative, had the wrong info. When he went to DORIS (their policy manual), he said there had been some new pages added that he had not seen, and it addressed what I wanted him to do. he then did it, and all was well.
He actually read from the script in DORIS which told me I was unsupported, and what that meant. The earlier script in DORIS said I had to upgrade my equipment, with no mention of package.
These poor CSRs have been thrown under the bus in this transition, most specifically with respect to anyone who wants to run unsupported.
There still exists the possibility that D* actually changed the policy mid-day yesterday, and will no longer permit the unsupported option without upgrading the package (giving them a way to get out of legacy packages) and/or going DECA.
From everything I've read so far (and still needing some input on a mixed/hybrid network for my 2 dish system), I think my unsupported home network will be replaced by an SWM/DECA system in the near future, but having WHDS (MRV) in the mean time is a big plus as I assume I'll be waiting in line a few weeks to get the SWM/DECA install done.
Good luck, and I hope we hear from some people from last night or this morning who were able to get MRV authorized, which would mean the policy hasn't changed.
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Put your best face forward, according to that old beauty adage. How do time-challenged women manage to do just that? TCW asked four women on the go to share their beauty regimens.
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"My favorite beauty tools are an eyelash curler, Lancôme mascara and false eyelashes for going out. I love Neutrogena makeup remover, Neutrogena One Step Gentle Cleanser and La Mer skin cream. Being a new mom, I have very little time these days for spas. One thing I won't give up are my weekly massages by Sallie Mowles at Urban Oasis. It's therapy and relaxation combined into one!"
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Spiritual Guidance: Shadowfiends retire, more priest talent news from Mists beta
Do you want to know the greatest and most amazing new thing priests are getting in Mists of Pandaria? It's a squid. Well, it could be an octopus, but I think it's a squid. It's called a Mindbender, and it's our new level 45 talent. The Mindbender is a flying, shadowy squid that serves as an improved version of (read: replacement for) our old pal, Shadowfiend. Our new squid friend does double the damage of Shadowfiend and thus returns twice as much mana. I can only assume the reason he can do this is because he latches onto the heads of our enemies and sucks out their brains, sort of like a Mind Flayer, the squid-faced monsters from Dungeons and Dragons with telekinetic powers. Mindbender, Mind Flayer ... That's right, Blizzard, I'm on to you.
Anyway, I imagine Squiddy will become the prime choice for healing priests in MoP because 1.) mana is mana, and 2.) the other level 45 talents are a bit lackluster. That will unfortunately mean leaving Shadowfiend at home, which is awfully sad, but I've painted up a scenario in my head where Shadowfiend tells me, "Look, Dawn, we've been raiding together for a few years now, and it's about time that I caught up on all the prime time television I've missed. There's Mad Men, Breaking Bad, and I've still only seen one episode of Game of Thrones. I need a break."
"OK, Shadowfiend," I say to it, "you can stay home this expansion."
"Thanks, dollface," it responds with Don Draper-esque charm and winks an eye at me I never knew it had.
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lllinois State Museum Lockport Gallery is getting a new director. John Lustig, a native of the south suburbs, will take over. Lustig replaces Jim Zimmer, left, who is now serving the Illinois State Museum as director for art and history in Springfield.
Updated: January 10, 2013 6:33AM
John Lustig has taken over as the new director at the Illinois State Museum Lockport Gallery.
Lustig is a native of the south suburbs and has a master of fine arts degree in painting from Southern Illinois University at Carbondale. His bachelor of arts degree is from Columbia College in Chicago.
He comes to Lockport after serving as the public art manager for Lancaster, Penn., since 2011. Before that, he held a dual position at Indiana State University as the director of the permanent art collection and the curator of the university visual collections.
He was a founding member of the Chicago Southland Arts Incubator in Chicago Heights in 1995, a non-profit co-op launched with a $500,000 Build Illinois grant that provided funding for artists in residence.
Lustig replaces Jim Zimmer, who is now serving the Illinois State Museum as director for art and history in Springfield.
He comes on board at the gallery in the midst of the museum's 25th anniversary year and is dedicated to building upon the successes of the museum's exhibitions and programs. The current exhibition is "Figurism: Narrative and Fantastic Figurative Art" from the Illinois State Museum Collection.
The gallery is on the first floor of the historic Norton Building, 201 W. 10th St., Lockport. For informstion call (815) 838-7400 or visit www.museum.state.il.us/ismsites/lockport.


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I have posted to the Pools and Spas forum regarding this question and, understandably I suppose, have not received any response. I thought maybe someone here might be able to help me.
We have an inground pool in our backyard that we are frankly sick of dealing with. We'd like to get rid of it. My question to anyone who might have an answer is: How do we begin to get rid of it? Who would we call? I've done searches on the web and found companies in New York, New Jersey, and Canada, but nothing near me (in Fredericksburg, Virginia). Does anybody have a clue how I could start? ANY help or suggestions would be appreciated. FYI, the pool was there when we moved in. We did not have it built. |
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I had the pleasure of getting rid of one of these a few years back. It was about 30 years old and the sides were starting to cave, and we didn't want to spend the money to have it rebuilt. The kids loved it, as did every one of their cousins and friends, every day, all summer. Me, I got to clean it. :o) Anyway, we called an excavator. He came in with his big machines, pulled out the fence, knocked the paving into the hole, and brought about 40 yards, if I recall, of fill dirt and about 8 inches of topsoil. Oh, yeah, and a bill for $4k. |
Yes, call an excavation company. Is it Concrete or a liner type pool? |
- Posted by CynthiaCVA 7/VA (My Page) on Tue, May 31, 05 at 13:54
Thanks to both of you for your replies. laag, the pool has a vinyl liner. |
- Posted by plantfiend z7 VanBC (My Page) on Tue, May 31, 05 at 14:40
Maybe different areas have different regulations, but my neighbour got hers filled in for free by advertising "Free fill wanted". Lots of building sites are looking for a place to dump rocks and gravel when they excavate. Then she just brought in topsoil to cover. |
- Posted by Rachel_Lexington 7b SC (My Page) on Thu, Jun 2, 05 at 16:42
I have a faint memory of a Southern Living article from several years ago that showcased the before/after of pool removal/rehab. As I recall, they kept the concrete deck as a patio area, had holes poked in the liner for drainage, filled it with whatever and put in topsoil and sod for a pretty little lawn. The entire yard was mostly shrubs and flower beds, so this grass was a focal point. I don't know how far back the Southern Living archives go, but you might check them out. Rachel |
- Posted by Bamateacha z8 (My Page) on Sat, Jun 4, 05 at 20:36
Or...something like the link below shows. My BIL just had his pool turned into the most beautiful pond you have ever seen complete with waterfall and bridge crossing over. Absolutely gorgeous. I don't have pictures of his, but this might give you an idea. |
Here is a link that might be useful: pool to pond
- Posted by lazygardens Sunset Zone 13 (My Page) on Sun, Jun 12, 05 at 13:49
The usual method here, for the reinforced concrete inground pools, is to punch some big holes in the bottom, then slice the sides down a couple of feet anf fill it with gravel and topsoil. The chunks of side are dumped into the bottom. Another technique is to leave the pool, drained and clean, and build a deck over it. You have to make sure it's covered to prevent rainwater accumulating. |
- Posted by CynthiaCVA 7/VA (My Page) on Thu, Jun 16, 05 at 12:12
Thanks to everybody for their help. Phil, I ran into your site, quite by accident. What a Godsend! It's so great to see that it really can happen. We're getting excavators to come out and give us estimates over the next couple weeks. We are SO READY to do this. Thank you so much for your obviously hard work on your site. It really is fantastic. |
I just inquired on the cost of filling in our 18'x36' IG pool. The contractor told me the concrete around the entire pool (4' wide sidewalk) could not be dumped into the empty pool by code. The price to fill our 33k gallon pool, anywhere from $3k-$4k. A new liner would be $2k, while still having the frustration of maintaining the pool. That pool to pond conversion is great, and has really gotten the wheels in my head turning (may not be a good thing) :) |
- Posted by flowers2007 Flowers2007 (My Page) on Sun, Mar 4, 07 at 8:16
I ran across this website looking for swimmimg pool removal. Everyone's insight has been great! My husband and I recently purchased this home in Upper Marlboro, MD and this eyesore of a swimming pool came with it. Seems as though the previous owners totally neglected this pool and now we would like to have it filled in. Cynthia - by any chance if you find a company please let me know b/c Fredericksburg, Virginia is not that far from us. Thanks and I will keep you all posted once we find a company to do the job. The hunt is on!!!! |
First thing check with our building codes as to their requirements. Hate to have you fill it in and then dig it out to meet code. In Farmington MI, DH help his mom organize it--had 1) redwood fence removal 2) concrete deck removal 3) side broken to, I think 4', and then ALL of that concrete/gunite removed to the dump 4) holes in the bottom of the pool 5) added soil and compacted each level to avoid sinkage later 6) top soil and grasses seeded later 7) removal of inside tanks (?) and pumping equipment. I think they just called a few home contractors, who had heavy equipment--demolition is so much easier than building. How about calling a pool building company-they may do it or have leads for you. If you want to convert it to a pond, also check you codes, read about someone doing that, and later the city told them it was not allowed. |
- Posted by faithnkids (My Page) on Sat, Mar 17, 07 at 8:55
All these comments are great. I have a question - What do people do to remove the pump/filter equipment? I have a filter system that's only a few years old. One person said they sold theirs on ebay - but how on earth does that work, does the person buying it come pick it up? Have people been able to sell this kind of thing through their local pool supply companies? |
Pool-removal must be a trend. My next-door neighbors did it a couple of years ago, as have several other friends/neighbors. My neighbors had a vinyl-liner type pool and had an ordinary contractor remove everything. I think if you leave a big hole in the ground, even "filled" with concrete and rocks, you are looking at a lot of problems down the road, including subsidence. Pools and their maintenance are a real headache; worth it, I assume, in warm climates but a pain in many parts of the country. It can be hard to sell a house with a pool here. |
as far as ebay selling big things. My son just bought 2 big computer things--so instead of the $75 shipping fee, he paid the guy a $10 service fee, and they met at the local McDonalds--that way no one knew where the other lived. Son paid cash and they were all set. We sold a 6' long metal snow blade for a tractor and a 1/4 yard steel back bucket--they were local pick up only at our home-two adult were home. We needed to use the engine hoist to lift these things into the back of the buyers truck-they paid cash. A friend bought a car off ebay-also local-he went to see the truck at the seller home, before he bid on it. |
- Posted by jazzygardener z4 MN (My Page) on Tue, Mar 20, 07 at 13:29
We're in the process of removing an inground pool ourselves. We took box cutters to cut out the vinyl liner,then used a cutting torch to get rid of the metal liner and finally a jack hammer to get rid of the cement. We had quite a pile of debris in our yard. However, I've gotten free dirt from pool companies to fill in the pool and have reused the broken concrete in my gardens as raised beds. I gave away the filter, heater and pool accesories on recycling website in our area.So nothing has gone to waste. It's a lot of work but will be worth it when it's done. |
- Posted by lindasewandsew 9 So Calif (firstname.lastname@example.com) on Tue, Mar 27, 07 at 4:01
Glad to find this posting. I posted on the pool side and got some useful info, but a lot of "How could you do that?!!". There are lots of old, no longer used pools around and I'm surprised that more companies don't do pool demo. My sister searched the state contractor's license board website and found some in the area. I've gotten one bid so far and a few more to call. It's expensive, but will save lots of money and time in the future. Linda |
- Posted by jerseygirl66 (My Page) on Fri, Mar 30, 07 at 16:34
Larger landscapers will do it as well. Call around and ask. |
- Posted by faithnkids (My Page) on Thu, Apr 12, 07 at 17:19
LOVE THIS SITE. I'm about to remove mine, and am curious if someone has run into this scenario - house was built in around 1970, pool was put in some unknown time since then (Google Earth satellite photo does not show pool), but excavator gave 4K estimate for removal based on assumption pool walls have a lot of rebar to suport the concrete. He wants to do the job based on a flat rate, and since neither of us knows for sure if there's rebar till the destruction begins, I'm not sure what to do. I'd hate to pay the extra if the job turns out to be easier. This is in central NC, and I'm paying for what everybody else has described - punch some holes in the bottom, knock down the sides, get some fill (which this price quote includes paying for). My quedstions - when was rebar used, and is there a way to tell? How common is it to do the job by a fixed quote like this? How have others dealt with this kind of unknown? Any other ideas? Thanks - |
- Posted by lindasewandsew 9 So Calif (firstname.lastname@example.com) on Thu, Jun 14, 07 at 1:59
Hi, Below is another post from someone who removed a pool. Put 'pool removal' or 'remove pool', etc. in the search box and you may find more. It seems like a lot of pools are way past their prime. Ours will be removed later this year. Good riddance!! I found people on the state contractor's website. There should be one in your state. It will have lots of info and questions to ask the contractor, etc. In So Calif, the properties are much smaller than most of what I see on this website. We have to get a permit. They break big holes in the bottom and destroy the top 2 feet. They throw the broken cement into the deep end, fill it with dirt and topsoil, then compact the soil properly. The price will be over $8k, but in your area the going rate may be much less. The job will take 4 days. Even though it costs a lot, no more money will have to be spent in the future. I requested that Garden Web start a 'Pool Removal' forum, but they haven't. Maybe some more requests would get one going. Hope this helps, Linda |
Here is a link that might be useful: Another pool removal post
I am glad to find this site, because I am in urgent need of advice on the very subject. We bought this house with a huge pool(20x40 - 4' on one end 12' the other). Once the winter was over, we came to find out the pool is unusable, since the wooden walls are rotting and collapsing. I guess we're lucky that the pool is simply wooden walled and there's a vinyl liner that's already showing the sandy dirt under it. Around the pool, we have concrete patio, which we intend to partially remove. And the pool area will be a nice garden we hope:) We have excessive amount of leaves in the yard right now. We are thinking about dropping them into pool, possibly above the concrete pieces that will come out of the concrete patio, and below the fill. Is that a bad idea, since the leaves will rot in time? We're concerned that the garden we'll have on top may collapse and we may have holes on it, as the leaves settle. Thanks for all your answers in advance, |
What about removing fiberglass pools? Ours is 35x16. Would this shell have to be removed before filling in, or could it be demolished and on site and used to fill the hole? Our side yards are very tight and there is not room for any large trucks or equipment. Any help or advice would be greatly appreciated! wynnie99 |
Wynnie99, Cities usually require you to remove the shell before filling it in. Contact a pool removal contractor and ask them if you need to remove the shell. A google search for 'pool removal contractor' should list a bunch of contractors. When your side yard is very tight for access, contractors work around it by not bringing in heavy machinery. It'll all be manual work with tools like jackhammer and wheel barrow. |
Here is a link that might be useful: google results for pool removal contractor
Hi everyone, I live in Northern Virginia. Has anyone found a good, reliable contractor to remove their pool? I have been looking for 3 years now. Any help would be greatly appreciated. I noticed two people on here are from Va. and Md. If you had success please, please email me. |
- Posted by jazzygardener z4 MN (My Page) on Thu, Sep 4, 08 at 14:14
We removed a 16 x 32 ft inground swimming pool ourselves. It took us 2 summers but, was worth the time & work. Our pool was over 40 years old an needed a complete makeover. So rather than spend the money on that we choose to remove it. We saved a lot of money by doing it ourselves. We even used the broken concrete from around the pool to make raised garden beds.Here's a few pictures. Please email me if you have any questions. |
- Posted by hosenemesis SoCal Sunset 19 USDA (My Page) on Sat, Sep 6, 08 at 0:05
Beautiful yard, jazzygardener. I love your concrete walls! And you did it all in two summers. Renee |
- Posted by kitchenkelly Zone 4 MN (My Page) on Sat, Sep 6, 08 at 9:30
That is a great transformation. I have never understood pools in MN. The amount of upkeep for such a short season doesn't work for me. I am sure you enjoy your lovely setting much more than a pool. |
- Posted by organic_florence (My Page) on Sun, Jan 4, 09 at 17:59
Hi Everyone! Your comments have been great. My husband and I are also looking to fill our 25k gallon pool and transform it into a grassy area for my toddler. We also live in Upper Marlboro, so can the other Upper Marlboro member tell us who they used to fill their pool. I would GREATLY appreciate it. The excavator is also a good idea. |
- Posted by luckystone13 Northeast (My Page) on Sat, May 2, 09 at 20:20
Has any one seen or heard of way to temporarily cover a pool (2-3 years) with a hardwood deck? We have 3 children under the age of 5 and are buying a house whose pool takes up most of the yard. We know the kids will love the pool in a few years, but for now it is too treacherous for us. We don't want to fill in the pool, but we want to be able to use the space for play. Are we dreaming? |
- Posted by frankie_in_zone_7 (My Page) on Wed, May 13, 09 at 11:07
luckystone, you may want to start a new thread. Does your pool have a drain or will it collect water? I am assuming you meant you wanted a usable surface OVER the pool, and not just a plastic cover, so I would think building a deck to completely cover that size pool would be pretty pricey. |
I am a project manager for a general contractor. You have two options: 1. Remove the entire pool and piping then fill in the hole. 2. Remove the top 2' feet of the pool deck and pool edge, then fill in the hole with dirt/fill. Option 2 will be much cheaper, because either way you have a large hole to fill in, option 2 just saves you the cost of removing the material and disposing. Drive around and find a new construction. They typically have excess fill they need to find a home for. Ask the site manager or call the contracting company, the number should be on a sign in the front. Tell them you need X amount of yards of fill, you can calculate the volume of your pool. They will want to charge you for it. Tell them no, you will take it off their hands for free. Remember, its the trucking that cost, not the actual dirt so find somewhere near your house. Hire an Earthwork or Landscape Contractor to compact the fill in minimum 12" lifts, preferrably 6", but that will cost you more. I would hire a landscaper, that way they can sod and landscape your area at the same time. The landscaper can probably remove the pool deck and edging for you as well. Call around and ask. |
Great thread and information. My dilemma: I have a wooden deck that not only surrounds the inground pool that I want to fill in, but is incorporated with another raised deck and terraced wooden steps. Has anyone left a wood surround and if so did it work? No I do not want to keep the pool as the kids say "I'm over it".Any help appreciated |
- Posted by newhome2009 (My Page) on Thu, Jul 23, 09 at 22:02
soooooooooooooooooooooooooooo can i just please fill the darn thing and just leave the concrete around??????? i can put potted plants on that area. is it possible????? that part i never got!!! thanks |
We bought the house during the major boom time and settled for a pool, but I didn't feel comfortable with it since we had a small child. I did a lot of research and talked to a couple of people who had it done (referred by others). I called a few people and chose a company that seemed the most "together" and professional (and more expensive!). We did get lower quotes, but I didn't get a good vibe from those folks. My personal feeling on this is I'd rather do it right than have regrets down the road, especially for something so major. We also have drainage problems so I wanted to be extra cautious. Also get the necessary permits. When it's time to sell the house, it will help to have all your ducks in a row. Our cost for getting rid of the pool eight years ago in the Bay Area was (total) $12,000. They needed access to the back (BOBCAT machine), which meant knocking down a fence and The cost for grass and sprinklers (with our gardener) was over $8000, but that included our front grass, so maybe around $4500 for the back? So I'd say around $16500 to get rid of the pool and plant grass - our lot is 7000 sq. ft. TOTAL and we have a fairly large house on it, so you can get an idea of the size of our yard (not that big). You might want to do a concrete deck or other form of landscaping to replace it. We couldn't save the concrete deck around it as they broke up the top six (?) feet. They drained it, broke up the sides a few feet down, drilled holes into the bottom (critical!), then compacted soil into the hole. We let the soil settle for around eight months before planting grass, through the rainy season, as we didn't want any uneven settlement issues down the road. It was a beautiful pool, too, but I used to have nightmares about our daughter falling in! Consequently, we never used the backyard, either. Now that we have grass (though I'm looking into adding a concrete patio) the kids play outside a lot. I wish we hadn't bought a house with a pool (!) but at the time there was such low inventory (five houses that fit our criteria) that we jumped on this one, just in time for our daughter's birth! |
- Posted by Shelley(email@example.com) onFri, Apr 2, 10 at 7:30
We have a commercially licensed 18'x36' inground pool (vinyl liner) here at our B&B. Due to the VGBA (Virginia Graeme Baker Act) we have decided to fill in the swimming pool. The pool is surrounded by a lovely brick deck - as wide as twelve feet on some sides. My question - has anyone ever left the surrounding decking in place when they filled in their pool? We are envisioning filling in the pool area, placing a large fountain in the center of it, with a matching brick walkway to the fountain, and then sodding the rest. Does any one envision any problems we might encounter? Or have suggestions for how to do this? |
- Posted by nomorepool-lady (My Page) on Wed, May 26, 10 at 9:55
I am just in the planning stages of filling in my pool after 31 years of taking care of it!! Your design plan sounds great....... Do you have pictures of how your renovation looks?? |
- Posted by kittycat4102 (My Page) on Mon, Jul 12, 10 at 9:13
Hi, ok lots of great info here but this is my deal. 16x32 in ground fiberglass tight yard tons of trees little access. If we take the time a year or so to do this our self and we do make lots of holes in the bottom or even take out the bottom will the water stand? Will we have frogs and mosquitoes I don't have the 3 to 4 k to pay someone to do the work and have yet to find free dirt so it might take a long time to get this huge hole filled in so I am worried about the water standing issue. Thanks for taking the time in reading this and your help Jeanne |
- Posted by wellspring (My Page) on Mon, Jul 12, 10 at 12:43
Kittycat- I don't know the answer to your question. Regular posters do seem to check in to see what's up here, so you may receive responses by piggybacking on this old thread. But...if you don't get any takers, it might be worthwhile to start a new thread. |
I experimented and wound up with something strange. I decided to leave the walls and surrounding patio intact when I filled in my pool. (I suppose I had visions of a humongous koi pond.) I had electricians and plumbers disconnect the electricity and plumbing, I drained the pool, then jackhammered holes in the bottom for drainage, then dumped 7 or 8 big truckloads of fill dirt into the pool, and finally dragged the old pool equipment to the curb. It cost only several thousand dollars, preserved the surrounding patio, and gave me soil deep enough for large trees to grow in it. But that huge underground concrete bowl tends to drain water very slowly. After really a heavy rainfall, the ground is covered with standing water for at least a couple days. Smaller puddles of water can sometimes remain for weeks. The soil can stay soggy sometimes for months. So what I effectively wound up with is what is called a "bog garden" or "rain garden". Only swamp-tolerant trees and plants will grow in it. It never needs watering, which is a positive. But it often looks like a swamp, which is not a common or even attractive appearance to many people. It is definitely providing a landscaping challenge! |
This post was edited by s8us89ds on Sat, Feb 16, 13 at 4:03
Generally a permit is required and testing the soil before anything is done. Many people demand a dirt professional in order to strategy this demolition. Many call for that most this materials become delivered off of and some allow for this remnants to be smothered. Best should be to check with a nearby developing office to view what's required. We've heard that prices begin about $10k based on needs, size and other issues. Then this filling up from the pool spot together with dirt will demand compaction which in turn calls for special apparatus. |
I'm hoping someone here can help...after hours and hours of Google searches I still haven't come up with an answer but I have stumbled across this thread that seams to have lots of information. I have a vinyl lined swimming pool that I want to get rid of, a neighbour is actually keen to relocate it and move to a farm (in Western Australia). Does anyone know if the vinyl liners can be removed safely for relocation? If you do any advice on what to do would be greatly appreciated. Thanks in advance |
fgrieves - there is a pool forum on gardenweb you might want to go there and post a new post. |
Here is a link that might be useful: Pool forum
We had a vinyl lined pool, above ground, that we removed. It is best to start with new vinyl after moving a pool. It will have stretched and discolored into the shape of the pool and more than likely will tear getting it out of the old location. |
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