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Arrive 10-15 minutes early to allow enough time to find parking.
There are three places to park:
- YWCA lot on the corner of Weston and Division
- Spectrum lot – the entrance is on LaGrave
- On the street – free after 5:00 pm.
Free parking for GROW classes is available in the YWCA lot, located on corner of Weston St SE and South Division. Parking is on a first-come, first-served basis. Enter the lot through the yellow gate on Weston St SE and ring the buzzer to for entry. On your way out of the building, you will need to note the parking code on the back door, which is required to exit the lot.
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Personally I'm not too proud of that Flag right now either, I'm starting to think it represents greed, arrogance and selfishness. Maybe it always has, and I finally woke up and realized it. It's pretty sad when you send troops overseas to protect corporate interest so they can keep their CEO's salary higher - Increased 9% this year... while screwing the majority of the workers under them, by doing things like pay cuts, not pay increases, stealing pensions, (moving jobs overseas to pay someone a few dollars a day). Makes one wonder every time a soldier dies, what the true sacrifice is. Seems all a lie that everyone was dumb enough to buy into
Troy Prouty*.
Life's a bitch sometimes, Mr. Coley.
Oh, it's a flag.
The Supreme Court has twice ruled that burning a flag is constitutionally protected free speech but we're going to waste precious government funds prosecuting someone because they dropped one on the ground.
I guess the state must have money to burn.
Small towns such as McMinnville feature stories like this for several reasons. First, the charge "abuse or desecration of a venerated object" is a charge rarely brought anywhere. Some people think that's interesting. Second, a teenage entrepreneur created a service to help businesses demonstrate patriotism and his property was stolen by a boob. Some folks find that interesting. Third, the sense of community that makes McMinnville a special place to live is righteously offended by such actions and it is a small newspaper's duty to report such events.
Get a life.
The flag is not a holiday decoration, but for people such as yourself, perhaps, that's all it represents, just a decoration, a fashion statement of sorts. Whereas for others it represents something more, and what its represents to others should be respected.
You're marvelous, relax....flags represent different things to different people, that's why every country on this planet has it's own. Just curious, bob, is there any flag that represents something more to you, than it might for others?
As for what the flag represents, since huge flags appeared in many cities around the start of the Iraq war, for me it has come to represent excessive nationalism. The "If you don't support the war you don't support the troops" kind of attitude so popular when we were gearing up to invade a country based on lies about weapons of mass destruction.
When we pledge allegiance to the flag and nation for which it stands, are we saying we support the actions of our country? Are we saying we support the indiscriminate slaughter of civilians by drone? The invasion of countries that were no threat to us? Torturing prisoners? The destruction of Habeas Corpus? The President's right to kill anyone, anywhere without any kind of due process? Free speech zones? What does that red, white and blue bit of cloth represent?
I know for many people the flag represents is a love of country and a sense of pride in being an American, but when that pride and love blind people to the evils being done in our name, it does us, the country, and world no good.
Trafik: You talk about the "sense of community that makes McMinnville a special place to live.." How does calling people morons fit into that sense of community?
BobZ, If you don't like it, leave it.
God bless the USA!!!!!
Come on, Man. Wake up and use some common sense.
Do you think that it could be possible that our Presidents and those they works with have knowledge about threats to our country that you aren't privy to? Do you think there just might be a chance that they and our military are working around the clock to keep you safe and sound??
Honestly, I am simply amazed at people who see the world out of your perspective. It must be an unpleasant life, feeling like your country's leaders are a bunch of ruthless killers.
Are you saying it is now my time to run for President?
Please tell us how you really feel..... don't hold back so much next time. An independant wouldn't!
I'm a little surprised by your comment to Bob. And the reason I'm surprised is the fact that Iraq for example was certainly no threat to the U.S. There was no possible way they could be from a geographic point of view. All my years in and around politics I have learned that nothing is as it seems to be.
My Uncle Fletcher Prouty was part of the great decision along with the new established CIA in the 1950's to be able to turn governments without using military to do it. Through establishing protest and rebel movements, like they did in 1954 in Guatamala and like they attempted against Chavez not that many years ago. Many of these have been for Corporate interest. In 1954 for example it was for Dole Foods.
In the last 70 years there has been 270+ conflicts of one sort or another and most involve Corporations of some sort.
If I'm President. I got there from money given to me, in which I must pay back, so later I can even get more back (after I leave) if I have proven myself to those that helped me get there.
That is reality. That is my experience with being a part of Tom Foley's career, being a part of international relations council during Reagan years and all my coverage after especially since 1999. I have seen people introduce bills only to make sure those bills fail by support from collegues in order to satisfy their district (look I introduced this). Politics is Nasty, you can stay in the denial part, or you can wake up and actually do a little research about it.
I just feel sorry for our troops that are being used and dying for some wealthy person's agenda.
Troy Prouty*
"I spent 33 years and four months in active military service and during that period I spent most of my time as a high class muscle man for Big Business, for Wall Street and the bankers. In short, I was a racketeer, a gangster for capitalism. I helped make Mexico and especially Tampico safe for American oil interests in 1914. I helped make Haiti and Cuba a decent place for the National City Bank boys to collect revenues in. I helped in the raping of half a dozen Central American republics for the benefit of Wall Street. I helped purify Nicaragua for the International Banking House of Brown Brothers in 1902-1912. I brought light to the Dominican Republic for the American sugar interests in 1916. I helped make Honduras right for the American fruit companies in 1903. In China in 1927 I helped see to it that Standard Oil went on its way unmolested. Looking back on it, I might have given Al Capone a few hints. The best he could do was to operate his racket in three districts. I operated on three continents."
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Smedley_Butler (Quote and bio)
More recently, look up information on the "Project for a New American Century" and the War on Iraq.
I am quite positive that he'd have had people climbing over one another to reach out to him...well...so much for taking the high road, eh, Bob?
The point is, he stole it, and upon seeing an officer dropped it on the ground. A double whammy I guess, but in looking in a different context, what if he just stole a TV? Saw a cop and dropped it?
McMinnville does not need transients who are stealing from little boy scouts, regardless of their reasoning. It was not his, he should have kept his hands off, period.
It's not even what we do overseas that is insulting. It's what we do here that might be the most insulting. Our laws, our seperation of class. I guess luckily, I know it won't last that at some place, there is a breaking point to Capitalism and Collapse to our system, in which we will have to start over and hopefully many people will be humbled enough this next time around, but after our justice system fails, health system, school system, economy and government all fail.
The question is will take violence to make the changes necessary (like it so often does) when governments crumble serving their people, or is there a peaceful solution for it, when it is time to do so, one can only speculate at this moment.
Troy Prouty*
Just like most of our politicians, this guy stole from a kid who was doing a good thing.
Why would anyone want to leave when there is so much to be done here?
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Re: MORE*: G3 - PAKISTAN/US - FP mag says Zardari to resign, his party denies the claim
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According to multiple contacts close to the prez, this is a BS story. He
is ill but not resigning.
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Reports on Pakistan president's health "speculative" - spokesperson
Text of report by official news agency Associated Press of Pakistan (APP)
Islamabad, 7 Dec: The President House on Wednesday [7 December] dismissed
as "speculative" and "untrue" reports about President Asif Ali Zardari's
health in media and said he was in Dubai for regular medical checks.
Spokesperson Farhatullah Babar told APP that President Zardari was is in a
Dubai hospital for medical tests and check-up as planned.
He said: "reports in some sections of the media speculating on president's
activities and engagements are speculative, imaginary and untrue."
President Zardari had gone to Dubai Tuesday evening to visit his children
and undergo some medical tests. The president was accompanied by his
physicians and a limited personal staff, a statement from President House
The statement quoted president's personal physician Col Salman as saying
that the medical tests were of routine nature and linked to a previously
diagnosed cardiovascular condition.
Source: Associated Press of Pakistan news agency, Islamabad, in English
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Please rep the red highlights [chris]
President Zardari suddenly leaves Pakistan -- is he on the way out?
Posted By Josh Rogin Tuesday, December 6, 2011 - 5:34 PM
Pakistani President Asif Ali Zardari left Pakistan suddenly on Tuesday,
complaining of heart pains, and is now in Dubai. His planned testimony
before a joint session of Pakistan's parliament on the Memogate scandal
is now postponed indefinitely.
On Dec. 4, Zardari announced that he would address Pakistan's parliament
about the Memogate issue, in which his former ambassador to Washington
Husain Haqqani stands accused of orchestrating a scheme to take power
away from Pakistan's senior military and intelligence leadership and
asking for U.S. help in preventing a military coup. Haqqani has denied
that he wrote the memo at the heart of the scheme, which also asked for
U.S. support for the Zardari government and promised to realign
Pakistani foreign policy to match U.S. interests.
The memo was passed from Pakistani-American businessman Mansoor Ijaz to
former National Security Advisor Jim Jones, to then Joint Chiefs
Chairman Adm. Mike Mullen on May 10, only nine days after U.S. forces
killed Osama bin Laden in the Pakistani military town of Abbottabad.
Ijaz has repeatedly accused Haqqani of being behind the memo, and Ijaz
claims that Haqqani was working with Zardari's implicit support.
Early on Tuesday morning, Zardari's spokesman revealed that the
president had traveled to Dubai to see his children and undergo medical
tests linked to a previously diagnosed "cardiovascular condition."
A former U.S. government official told The Cable today that when
President Barack Obama spoke with Zardari over the weekend regarding
NATO's killing of the 24 Pakistani soldiers, Zardari was "incoherent."
The Pakistani president had been feeling increased pressure over the
Memogate scandal. "The noose was getting tighter -- it was only a matter
of time," the former official said, expressing the growing expectation
inside the U.S. government that Zardari may be on the way out.
The former U.S. official said that parts of the U.S. government were
informed that Zardari had a "minor heart attack" on Monday night and
flew to Dubai via air ambulance today. He may have angioplasty on
Wednesday and may also resign on account of "ill health."
"This is the a**in-house change option' that has been talked about,"
said Shuja Nawaz, director of the South Asia Center at the Atlantic
Council, in a Tuesday interview with The Cable. Nawaz said that this
plan would see Zardari step aside and be replaced by his own party,
preserving the veneer of civilian rule but ultimately acceding to the
military's wishes to get rid of Zardari.
"Unfortunately, it means that the military may have had to use its
muscle to effect change yet again," said Nawaz. "Now if they stay at
arm's length and let the party take care of its business, then things
may improve. If not, then this is a silent coup with [Pakistani prime
minister Yousaf Raza] Gilani as the front man."
In Islamabad, some papers have reported that before Zardari left
Pakistan, the Pakistani Army insisted that Zardari be examined by their
own physicians, and that the Army doctors determined that Zardari was
fine and did not need to leave the country for medical reasons.
Zardari's spokesman has denied that he met with the Army doctors.
One Pakistani source told The Cable that Zardari was informed on Monday
that none of the opposition party members nor any of the service chiefs
would attend his remarks to the parliament as a protest against his
continued tenure. This source also said that over a dozen of Zardari's
ambassadors in foreign countries were in the process of being recalled
in what might be a precursor to Zardari stepping down as president,
taking many of his cronies with him.
Pakistan's Dawn newspaper reported that before leaving, Zardari met
separately with Gilani, Chairman of the Senate Farooq H Naik, and
Interior Minister Rehman Malik.
This past weekend, the Memogate scandal worsened for Zardari when Ijaz
alleged in a Newsweek opinion piece that Zardari and Haqqani had prior
knowledge of the U.S. raid to kill bin Laden, and may have given
permission for the United States to violate Pakistan's airspace to
conduct the raid.
On May 2, the day after bin Laden was killed, Wajid Hasan, Pakistan's
high commissioner to the United Kingdom, said in an interview with CNN
that Pakistan, "did know that this was going to happen because we have
been keeping -- we were monitoring him and America was monitoring him.
But Americans got to where he was first."
In a statement given to the Associated Press of Pakistan Monday, White
House spokesperson Caitlin Hayden said that information on the actual
operation to kill bin Laden was not given to anyone in Pakistan.
"As we've said repeatedly, given the sensitivity of the operation, to
protect our operators we did not inform the Pakistani government, or any
other government, in advance," she said.
Zardari lived in self-imposed exile in Dubai from 2004 through 2007
after being released from prison, where he had been held for eight years
on corruption charges. His three children live there, but his 23-year
son Bilawal Bhutto Zardari, the chairman of the Pakistan People's Party
(PPP), is in Pakistan now.
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Sent: Wednesday, 7 December, 2011 3:32:56 PM
Subject: G3* - PAKISTAN - Pakistan party member rejects reports of
president's resignation - website
I'm unsure what US mag they are referring to, will see if we can track
it down [chris]
Pakistan party member rejects reports of president's resignation -
Text of report by private Pakistani newspaper Dawn website on 7 December
A US magazine on Wednesday [6 December] claimed that President Asif Ali
Zardari who had gone to Dubai for medical check-up may have angioplasty
on Wednesday and he may resign from his office on account of "ill
health", DawnNews reported.
A former US government official told the cable that Washington was
informed that Zardari had a 'minor heart attack' on Monday night and he
flew to Dubai via air ambulance.
The report further claimed that Zardari was 'incoherent' during his
telephonic conversation with President Barack Obama which took place
over the weekend regarding the NATO air strikes.
"The noose was getting tighter - it was only a matter of time," the
former official said, expressing the growing expectation inside the US
government that Zardari may be on the way out.
Senior analyst Shuja Nawaz told the cable that "this is the 'in-house
change option' that has been talked about."
Meanwhile, a Pakistan People's Party (PPP) lawmaker and Sindh
Information Minister Shazia Marri rebuffed the news of resignation and
said the president had gone to Dubai for routine medical check-up.
Source: Dawn website, Karachi, in English 07 Dec 11
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ive painted up some of my dust minisand taken pictures (saved as jpegs) but cannot seem to post them to the forum. any advice?
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Posted 27 October 2010 - 09:31 AM
I suggest you get an account at photobucket or another free online service. Then upload your jpgs to that site, and then use the image code to paste that into your post. If that fails, then post the image link to your on-line gallery. How did you paint them? I'm thinking I want to do late war pea-dot cammo on the Germans, maybe some late-way US tiger-stripes on the US troops. The Mechs (dunno why they call 'em robots!) will be fun to detail.
Posted 27 October 2010 - 11:37 AM
I'll give photobucket a try.
I did the germans mostly pea dot, with a bit of Oakleaf B.
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ok photobucketed them, only four pics right now, will add more as i get them done and posted. pic quality isnt the best as all i have right now is an iphon camera...
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photobucket listed under, "theguildllc" look for the "dust tactics" album
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Posted 28 October 2010 - 07:10 AM
Very cool! Did you airbrush the 'Mechs (still can't bear to call them "Robots") or hand paint the cammo on??
Posted 28 October 2010 - 08:39 AM
If you ever visit boardgamegeek check out what I did with my Standard version of "Dust Tactics". I went with a wash and I think it turned out very well. My post is titled "How a wash won the war".
I am enjoying this game very much and look forward to the next expansions. Another thing that adds an extra touch to these figures/units is that of the decals. I was able to get them with the Standard version I purchased from a gent who went to Gen Con (so he added the decals and extra figures he picked up from that event). Are the decals a must? Not at all. They are nice and cool to have but truth be told they are not a deal breaker by any means. As a matter of fact it would be nice if they gave you instructions on what figures/units to use what decals on. I have found two pictures from the instructions to help me with what decals go where but that is it (skulls for the Laser Gernadiers and Molf for the Ludwig).
Posted 28 October 2010 - 08:50 AM
Nicily done. did you have to disassemble it completely and if you did how hard was it. Haven't picked a camo pattern for mine yet but i'm looking forward to it.
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- Imperial: 9 Tie fighters, 3 Advanced, 3 Interceoters, 2 Bombers, a Shuttle and Firspray 31
Posted 28 October 2010 - 10:19 AM
hand brushed. i have an airbrush but no compressor yet. would love to do an authentic soft edge ambush scheme...
Posted 28 October 2010 - 10:22 AM
the jagdluther was a plastic/resin model on sprues so i did subassemblies and painted as i whent. The Ludwig i just kept the arms off till finished. hope Paolo Parente puts out some more kits at www.dust-tactics.com soon.
Posted 29 October 2010 - 02:50 AM
Very nice painting! I like that you did something else than the standard grey/white that we've seen so far. I think I might do something similar when/if I finally get Dust Tactics myself.
Posted 30 October 2010 - 03:37 PM
added some Aufklarungs
Posted 31 October 2010 - 12:32 AM
Again, very nice! You should upload these to boardgamegeek.com, they need some inspiration over there. Hehe!
Posted 09 November 2010 - 09:52 AM
Check out Chris Wolfe's Allies on boardgamegeek.com. listed under dust tactics, images, creative. They're fantastic!
Posted 09 November 2010 - 01:46 PM
The Jagdluther is beautifully done. The camo and decal work is excellant. I can't wait to get one of these for my collection. I like the added touch of a Space Marine helmet and the infared light. What is that small bit of orange on the roof? Couldn't ID it
- Rebels: 5 X-wing, 3 Y-wing, 3 A-wing, 3 B-wing, 2 Hawk 290 and a YT-1300
- Imperial: 9 Tie fighters, 3 Advanced, 3 Interceoters, 2 Bombers, a Shuttle and Firspray 31
Posted 09 November 2010 - 03:18 PM
The orange is an added tarp from tamiya's 1/48 range. im useing it as an aerial recognition panel. as for the spacemarine head; "and they SHALL know fear"!
Posted 10 November 2010 - 11:31 AM
Nice to see the troops with a summer cammo pattern - ive stuck with the winter theme - will post pics soon!
Posted 18 November 2010 - 10:29 AM
Excellent work on all of these! I like your walker with Sigrid in the hatch, and the pea-dot camo you did on your soldiers is superb.
I hope my soldiers turn out half as nice as yours. My set will be here tomorrow!
Posted 20 November 2010 - 05:30 PM
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November 2009
Tree O'Clock!
With the arrival of strong winds and heavy rain over the last week or so I am preparing myself for the end of autumn and the imminent arrival of winter. It's a shame to say goodbye to the mild autumn we've been having, I'm going to miss the many warm hues on display amongst the trees of St Fagans. But farewell it must be, as the sudden blast of heavy weather has stripped the trees of their finery and left the leaves gathering in thick layers upon the ground.
Despite this brutal de-glamorisation, trees are to be the focus of my activities over the next few weeks as we celebrate National Tree Week. During the last weekend of November we will be looking at the many different types of tree at St Fagans and finding out the best way to identify them by looking at leaf, seed, bark and bud. The RSPB will also be with us, running activities that highlight the importance of trees to our native birds. Incidentally the bird cam at St Fagans is pretty busy at the moment and you can follow the action via my twitter page
And if you've ever wanted to be a world record holder why not join us on Saturday the 5th of December for Tree O'Clock? We will be attempting to set a new Guinness world record for planting the most trees in one hour in collaboration with BBC Breathing Places. And if you enjoy getting into the festive spirit why not stay on and make sustainable Christmas decorations from the Hedgerow at T? Gwyrdd?
Sustainable Christmas will also be the theme of my activities at the ever popular Christmas nights on the 9th, 10th and 11th of December. Be sure to bring a torch and warm clothes as it can get pretty cold here at night!
National Poetry Day 2009 at Big Pit
On National Poetry Day in October 2009, Big Pit's poet-in-residence Mike Jenkins encouraged visitors to contribute to a 'BIG Big Pit poem'. The theme of National Poetry Day was 'Heroes and Heroines,' and contributors wrote about the heroic people who worked in difficult conditions and jobs in coal mines.
Contributions came from 3 schools: Goetre Junior School, Merthyr, Queen Street Primary School, Abertillery and Oldbury Wells High School in Shropshire. Mike awarded a signed copy of his children's poetry book 'Poems for Underage Thinkers' to the junior classes for their inspired efforts.
Adult poets were:
Mike Tanner from Blaenavon, Justin Hamilton from Kilbirnie, Derek Edmondson from Woodford, and Mr and Mrs Gilbert from Little Witcombe, as well as Big Pit staff.
Find out more about Mike's award-winning poetry and prose by visiting his website: www.mikejenkins.net.
A communal poem created at Big Pit on National Poetry Day 2009
Underground what will we see?
Underground is dangerous
Ponies hauled dram after dram
Thrusters and hurriers pushing tram after tram
Pickers hitting as hard as they can
Children crying and crying.
The canary was a warning.
Lots of water on the ground
It was leaking into the pit
Getting deeper and deeper.
It was dark like night when the lights went out,
It was scary. Slippery like water.
The cage went fast then slow.
Down the pit there were tracks.
Struggling by the light of lamps.
The axes and sledgehammers were dirty as muddy water.
Some were very old.The men were heroes because they worked twelve hard hours.
The fireman who risked himself to save his workmate's face,
After a fall, threw himself down to protect his friend.
The horses were heroes because they saved people.
Masks protected the ponies' faces, some of the ponies died.
Seventy two worked down the mine.
Many of them became blind.
The miner had to pull the drams.
The girls were heroines because they helped.
Dad and son worked side by side
Deprived of sunlight from day to day.
Some men died.
Some men cried.
Coughing up black dust
Working like navvies from dawn till dusk.
Mothers sad when there was an explosion.
A message home when there's no hope left
Scratched into a bottle.
Day and night death always occurred.But everyone pulled together
Washing away the day's toil.
A hot bath, joke and a laugh.
To the hole in the wall, have a fag
Desperate for that first drag.Figures hunched against the driving rain
Thirsting for the hoppy nectar
To soothe away the pain.
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The Mississippi Department of Transportation's Safe Routes to School Coordinator, Cookie Leffler, recently e-mailed Bell's coordinator for the event, Leah Ferretti, to deliver news of the school's recognition.
"We are very excited about your school's outstanding efforts and participation in the event and proud of your students and their families who made first place a reality," wrote Leffler.
The winner of the Golden Sneaker represents the school with the highest student, parent and community involvement in the walk.
"I'm so blessed to have such support from the community and parents to make events like this a big success," said Ferretti, also a science lab specialist and health and wellness chairperson at Bell.
MDOT will honor the school by presenting the award on March 8 at 1 p.m.
Last year's walk, held on Oct. 5, marked the second year Bell took part in the affair.
"We had about 400 parents, students and community members safely walk to school, beginning from the Boyle Walking Trail," said Ferretti. "We also had the East Side Marching Band, the mayor of Cleveland, Delta State University athletes, mascots and a number of community members."
Local emergency response crews and the Boyle Police Department also took part by protecting the participants as they made their one-mile walk through Boyle and across U.S. Highway 61.
Ferretti, who was required to register with MDOT before the event and document participation afterwards, likened the award to another well-known Mississippi trophy.
"We are very fortunate to come out on top," said Ferretti. "It's kind of like the battle for the Golden Egg — we get to hold the title for a year and we hope to keep her next year too."
Mississippi is one of seven jurisdictions participating in the Safe Routes to School state network project funded by the Robert Wood Johnson Foundation.
The RWJF has provided a three-year renewal grant of $2,999,725 to the Safe Routes to School National Partnership, a diverse, nationwide coalition of more than 550 organizations.
The grant will support the National Partnership's efforts to advance safe, convenient and fun opportunities for U.S. children to walk and bicycle to and from school.
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An entire box of Yves Meatless Pepperoni (2.5 servings) provides only 200 calories, which is pretty great, especially since it also provides 35 grams of protein. The sodium count, however, is pretty high - a whole box would give you 40% of the daily value! Each 16-slice serving provides 80 calories, 1 gram of fat (no saturated fat), 390 mg sodium (16% of the DV), 150 mg potassium (4% of the DV), 14 grams of fiber, and some vitamins and minerals, including 20% of the RDA for each iron, thiamin, vitamin B12, and zinc.
I wanted to love Yves Meatless Pepperoni because of the savings in calories from regular pepperoni. Applegate Farms Sliced Pepperoni for example, provides 120 calories and 20% of the daily value for saturated fat. But, I'm unlikely to buy Yves again because the taste just wasn't everything I could have hoped for. Like Andrea said in her review at Off Her Cork, "while it smelled like pepperoni and was slippery like pepperoni, it did not taste nor have the texture of pepperoni."


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Voges gets it. Smart cricket.
Voges gets it. Smart cricket.
WWCC - Loyaulte Mi Lie
"People make me happy.. not places.. people"
"When a man is tired of London, he is tired of life." - Samuel Johnson
"Hope is the fuel of progress and fear is the prison in which you put yourself" - Tony Benn
#408. Sixty three not out forever.
the delight in which Moody said 'the horse has bolted' was quite something
Indians can't bowl - Where has the rumour come from as I myself and many indian friends arwe competent fast bowlers ?
With the English bid I said: Let us be brief. If you give back the Falkland Islands, which belong to us, you will get my vote. They then became sad and left
Think I mentioned a while back that Keath is trash, should've played footy.
Parmi | #1 draft pick | Jake King is **** | Big Bash League tipping champion of the universeCome and Paint Turtle
Class batsman, Marsh.
should be in test team. could form a dynamic opening combo with Tim Paine
What chance Darsh going on the Ashes tour if he has a half decent back end to the Shield season?
perth really need another Keith over.
Warne, not bowling himself in the biggest game. #manfortheoccasion
Will we see Gibbs come out to heroicaly try and save the Scorchers like his South African counterpart Smith did circa 1999 #rainbowwarriors
What are the sports bet odds here N00fers N00fan?
Warne just building the tension before the hero enters the fray
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Sourcebooks, the nation's largest woman-owned independent book publisher based in Naperville, is launching an app and an e-book series aimed at transforming the iPad's use for tweens, teens and young children.
The "Put Me In The Story" app, which launched Tuesday and was months in the making by in-house design and development teams, is the company's 11th in the iTunes app store. The app is free to download.
It is intended to change the iPad's image as a metallic and somewhat cold device to one of a bedtime-reading friend.
"Put Me in the Story" lets a parent do in real-time what some companies have long done in print: To personalize the book by inserting a child's name throughout the text, and downloading the child's photo and sizing it to fit within the book's frame.
"We're aiming to enhance the bedtime reading experience," said Dominique Raccah, Sourcebook's founder, CEO and publisher.
"The first thing the child sees is his or her name and photo on the dedication page," she said. "This creates an instant connection for the child, and gets him excited about reading."
Though equipped with sounds and the iPad's interactive tools, the app doesn't use animated features that would over-stimulate kids, since it's designed to create a special moment between parent and child, Raccah said.
The first book with the app, classic bedtime favorite "The Night Night Book" by Marianne Richmond, will be available for free download. The next books are expected to cost $4.99 each.
Two other books to be released with the app are Richmond's "If I Could Keep You Little" and the debut work of Olympic figure-skating champion Kristi Yamaguchi, "Dream Big Little Pig."
A new book will be launched each month.
The second digital product from Sourcebooks, "The Shakesperience," features enhanced ebooks of Shakespeare's plays on Apple's iBookstore.
The ebooks give teens and tweens a built-in "Cliff Notes" on steroids, with highlighted words one click away from their definitions and context; audio and video clips of famous actors playing the roles; image galleries with photos, production notes, set renderings and costume designs, and "A Voice Coach's Perspective on Speaking Shakespeare" by Andrew Wade, former voice coach to the Royal Shakespeare Company.
"In Othello, we've embedded 1,400 words or terms in blue text so when you touch the text with your fingertip, you immediately know what that word means," Raccah said of the ebooks that launched Oct. 2. "We have rethought the experience of learning to read Shakespeare all the way through. We've made it easier to experience the subject no matter what kind of learner a student is."
The glossary is contextual.
For example, the word "coin" links to an explanation of its worth at the time and its value compared with modern currency.
In demos, one student said he would go back to the play again and again because he couldn't get through all of the interactive features in one try, Raccah said.
That's a far cry from most kids' efforts to get away from the tough slog of going through a Shakespeare play purely on paper, she said.
For example, students may enlarge photos, listen to Orson Welles' readings of Shakespeare's plays, watch John Kani's starring role in a landmark 1987 South African production of Othello and get behind the scenes with rarely heard recordings of Edwin Booth and F. Scott Fitzgerald.
Each of the books in the initial rollout – Hamlet, Othello and Romeo and Juliet — costs $9.99. Sourcebooks also publishes 12 Shakespeare books that come with audio CDs but have no on-line components.
Keeping up with the latest technology is vital, especially in producing textbooks and educational books, and in connecting authors and readers in new ways, experts say.
The issues are particularly acute as the relationship between publishers and technology companies that create their own content — such as Apple and Amazon.com — remain touchy. The technology companies' model encourages retailers and independent authors to sell books at deep discounts, and lets writers easily publish their own books, said Kenneth J. Thurber, author of "Big Wave Surfing: Extreme Technology Development, Management, Marketing and Investing."
Traditional publishers are left to scramble to remain competitive and profitable, as are authors who don't move quickly to find new sales outlets, he said.
"The entire (book) distribution chain has changed substantially," Thurber said.
At the same time, book readers are increasingly turning to tablets as their medium. A Pew Internet Research poll found that the percentage of book readers who read e-books jumped to 21 percent in January from 16 percent just three months earlier, in September, 2011.


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Guitar slinger, singer-songwriter, soundtrack superstar and Grammy Award-winner Kenny Loggins is coming to Kohler on Saturday, April 21, for as the third and final show of the Kohler Foundation's 2012 Distinguished Guest Series season.
The legendary rocker will perform at the Kohler Memorial Theatre, 260 School St., Kohler, at 8 p.m.,
Loggins began his music career writing songs for the Nitty Gritty Dirt Band before teaming up with Jim Messina to form country-rock duo Loggins & Messina.
From there, Loggins expanded into solo stardom, winning a Grammy for "This is It" in 1980. As the '80s progressed, Loggins became more popular than ever with soundtrack hits like "I'm Alright" from "Caddyshack," "Danger Zone" from "Top Gun" and "Footloose" from "Footloose."
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Take flights to Nice for palm-lined seaside promenades, perfumed flower markets and masters of modern art.
Things to do
Bask in the sunshine after flights to Nice, with a saunter under the palms lining Promenade des Anglais. The boulevard curves round the Bay of Angels to the terracotta roofs, ochre walls and meandering lanes of Nice's Old Town.
Nice's picture-postcard markets on Cours Saleya bring a riot of colour to the Old Town. Browse artfully arrayed chocolates and candied fruit under jaunty striped umbrellas, while buckets of roses and lilies perfume the air at the flower market.
Order spicy seafood bouillabaisse at a bistro by Nice harbour, with views of bobbing masts while you dine. Chickpea crepes are served at outdoor cafés in the Old Town, savoured with aniseed-flavoured pastis or chilled rosé wine in the sunshine.
As the sun sets behind the palm trees, toast your city break in Nice with champagne. The rooftop bars at opulent hotels lining Promenade des Anglais take in sweeping views of the twinkling lights of Nice arcing round the bay.
When to go
KLM has frequent flights to Nice. Book airline tickets to Nice in February to watch masked revellers during Carnaval or travel to Nice in October for the Old Town festival.


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With the thoughts of many on those that live on the Gulf Coast and many political observers watching the RNC in Tampa, news specific to the world of small business has been slow the last few days. But..if you are a follower of all things politic, two new scandals have dominated the news in Albany. Senator Shirley Huntley has been charged in a sham non-profit operation and Assemblyman Vito Lopez has seen his staff slashed, chairmen position revoked and many elected officials calling for his resignation after sexual harassment claims have been made. Adding to this is the new revelation that Speaker Silver authorized a payment of $103,080 from taxpayer dollars to settle harassment claims.
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Standard & Poor's gave New York's bond rating an upgrade.
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The Queue: Locke
Welcome back to The Queue, WoW Insider's daily Q&A column where the WoW Insider team answers your questions about the World of Warcraft. Adam Holisky will be your host today.
Do you ever get the feeling that WoW is like some sort of purgatory? That you're trapped in an endless loop of hellish deviations intent on consuming the very soul from which all things good and pure spring forth from? That this game is indeed nothing but the true game which ends all games, and like Sisyphus or John Locke you'll be stuck pushing the boulder up the hill towards a higher level for the rest of your life?And with, let's throw a little social philosophy in your faces.
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"I hate people telling me how to change my spec and how to play. I'm a mage who puts out between 2-3k dps, depending on how bad my lag may be at the time. Sure, I may not have the cookie cutter spec. But it's my game, I am paying for it, and I will play how I want. Want me to change? Fine. Start paying my fee and you can tell me how to play."
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The city's extensive bus network takes commuters to outlying suburbs. Night owls can make use of 21 night buses which run between 3am and 5am.
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the1sasquach | so a lil stumped im another crappy gas mileage on my 2.4 its automatic without a/c only had it about 2 months now but averaging about 10 mpg. oil psi is runnin around 40 eng temp on the low side. what ive done new fuel filter, spark plugs high out put ignition coil, wires and cap and rotor (nothing to fancy), oil pressure sensor (was blowing oil out the wire hole) temp sensor, have checked all vacuum lines no leaks currently jeep is loaded on a trailer and were moving to another state but will be at it when we get there just looking for suggestions on what direction to go |
reondadomino |
Would clearing up a PCV valve line to the throttle body cause it to run rich? Just clean out the PCV valve line to the throttle body, it was completely gunked up with no pressure in or out, and now it's running rich. Was running "fine" before with a gunked up line but now that it's clear, it feels as if it's flooding when I come to a stop. The engine stutters and almost dies then levels out. When I shift into 1st it stumbles a bit then catches but you can smell gas as I continue driving. 88 Wrangler 4 cyl 5 spd |
MR-Fixit | another correction, the year of that jeep is wrong and it occurred to me the temp sensor didnt increase in value- someone had simply installed the wrong part and that is what caused it to run rich. |
MR-Fixit | The throttle position sensor can cause bad gas milage, rough idle & misfires, it could have a tiny wear spot from no throttle pedal position to slightly pressed. A quick test... your idle should be below 1000 rpm, say around 7-8 hundred... how easy is it to slowly increase pressing the pedal and watch the tach but stop it at exactly 1000 rpm. If it smoothly rises and you can hold it at 1000 without going over it is probably good. BUT, if you press so gently on the pedal and you still can't easily get it to slowly rise to 1000 rpm without going over try after try... then it has a worn spot. Your engine will vibrate and the reading from the TPS will too. If you have ever heard a stereo and turned up the volume control and as you did you could hear loud scratchyness until you turned it up to a certain point... that is kinda what the computer hears from that bad spot on the throttle position sensor just the same as if the volume control would (really its the same thing- just a variable resistor). But what really is going on is the wiper arm of the throttle position sensor is losing contact or not making good contact with the resistor to get a stable reading, the effect is going to maximum value or near maximum as the computer is taking a reading even if for a split second. It's like saying full throttle usually only for an instant... microseconds-nanoseconds-picoseconds--who knows but it can be just long enough for the computer to take that reading and setup the next injector cycle and adjust other engine operating parameters. Then the reading returns to normal next cycle that the computer reads the sensor, so it again setups the next injector cycle the opposite direction - idle. As long as the tps is in that spot it will act up, but during other throttle positions it performs somewhat normally- except your cruising spot... that position where the gas pedal is pressed and usually held during crusing speeds. |
MR-Fixit | The rubber hose collapsed or pinched leading to the gas tank on the fuel return line can cause very bad gas mileage, low oil pressure, overheating, loss of power going up hills, and so on. The high fuel pressure pushes fuel in through the injectors faster than the computer is planning to pump in, then it avalanches from there, timing gets adjusted, vacuum drops, overheating, misfires, rough idle, etc... |
MR-Fixit |
Coolant Temperature Sensor differences: The 800 Ohm hot resistance temperature sensor is different than the 185 Ohm hot resistance temperature sensor. The 185 Ohm is from the 87-90 models and the 800 Ohm is newer stuff... but dont quote me. Probably the PCMs were reprogrammed and the temperature sensor changed from 185 to 800 Ohm to allow additional fuel for lubrication of upper engine to reduce friction. The expression run lean and melt your pistons... those piston rings are creating a lot of friction sliding up and down the cylinder walls, with the additional fuel it lubes the cylinder walls and thus keeps the pistons and cylinder walls cool and the overall engine cooler (thicker oil and therefore higher oil pressure). The exhaust manifolds tend to change color, crack, and blister - this is due to extremely hot exhaust gases, not from running lean but from a rich fuel mixture. The cracked exhaust manifold is not the primary reason the O2 is sending the computer on a mission to dump fuel, it is a secondary problem, the primary problem is why the fuel was enriched to the point where the exhaust gases nearly melted the exhaust manifold in the first place. Run too lean - cook and damage the engine... run too rich - cook and damage your engine... |
MR-Fixit | A defective power steering pressure switch and air conditioner both can influence the computer into thinking more load is applied to the engine so dump more fuel. |
MR-Fixit | A defective brake switch can interfere with the computer knowing when the brakes are applied to adjust idle control motor. So it too can cause fuel economy problems. |
MR-Fixit | Did you know... a low battery voltage will cause the computer to think it needs to lengthen the duration the fuel injectors are triggered (dump more fuel) to adjust for the reduction in battery voltage supplied to the injectors in anticipation for a lowered fuel delivery? So, how can a low battery causes poor fuel economy. A bad alternator will do the same thing. |
MR-Fixit |
Oil pressure... if you don't burp the Jeep, it will run hot and cold... engine will be hot... very hot, but the computer will think the engine is cold and there goes your economy fuel mileage. If you let it go on long enough thinning the oil (low oil pressure symptom) it will ruin the engine. There are other reasons for low oil pressure but other than bearings being worn it is most likely from rich fuel mixture or burping. |
MR-Fixit |
Am I permitted to accept donations? Think of the savings not having to throw lots of parts at your vehicles. Rule 1: If it costs more than $50 at the parts store then it's probably not the part that is needed. Rule 2: If the parts store says it is a dealer item only or special order then it's probably not the part that is needed. Rule 3: Check the last thing that you would ever think to check before you replace the first thing. |
MR-Fixit | I should proof read what I post before posting but here is another correction to burping... drivers side rear gets jacked up to raise temperature gauge sensor's threaded hole for air to escape. The previous post said right rear which is incorrect. |
MR-Fixit |
Re: Hard Starts... Flooded? Maybe the fuel pressure is leaking through an injector or through the check valve in the fuel pump. If it is really flooding, I would think pressure leak or pressure too high, if it is because the pressure leaked out through the fuel pump it is because the pressure needs to build back up. By the time fuel pressure builds back up, the computer is dumping additional fuel into the intake to get the engine to start... as if it would do when it is cold ... and when the pressure does finally returns to normal the computer will be dumping enough fuel to flood the engine. It's like this when you start it up... computer squirts a bit of fuel in but barely a drop is dispensed because low pressure. computer sees no emissions output and so it intends to squirt out even more fuel, but fuel pressure is still climbing. computer sees little emissions output so trys to squirt a mega load to really get er goin... but fuel pressure back to normal so the mega load turns out to be a gusher and floods the engine. Solution to flooded fuel injection engine.... Push the pedal to the floor and start the engine. The computer sees a wide open throttle whenever the engine is not running as it's instruction to stop dumping fuel because the engine is flooded. You could try it if you want to... floor the gas pedal and see if it starts.... if it don't start... it wasn't flooded and it will start as soon as you release the gas pedal, but if it does start before you lift off the gas pedal then it most likely was indeed flooded. |
MR-Fixit |
Hey Rusty, You most likely had to burp your Jeep is all it needed. If coolant runs low or radiator cap sucks air - your engine block will trap air between the two temperature sensors and not allow the coolant to rise to the level of the temperature sensor in the thermostat housing. The engine sits down in the back so the temperature gauge sensor is getting a reading but the computer wont get the reading from the sensor in the thermostat housing because air tends to rise... Jack up the passenger's side front or the right rear, do the front for burping and filling through outlet hose, and do the rear for burping through temperature gauge hole. As you stop and go the coolant sloshes front and back giving wacky readings to both the computer and the temperature gauge. If coolant ever gets low... burp the thing again and again. The thermostat I prefer has a built-in jiggle valve to help burp it. |
rusty-shackleford | I, too, just had my 2.5l completly gone through: bored .30 over, new everything, etc. I think MrFixit was right on his first post w/ the thermostat. When I picked up my Jeep from the engine builder (Bunn Engines, Donaldson AR, GREAT PEOPLE!!!! & engine builders) I didn't like how HIGH the temp gauge ran on the 1st cycle of the thermostat. After about 5 miles, the temp would settle down, but that first cycle scared the sh!t out of me. I called Darren Bunn (the engine builder) and he said give it time and yes he had installed a factory recommended 195 degree thermostat. I had noticed that I was getting better mileage than before, which is ,IMO, not typical of a new(rebuilt) motor. The temp getting higher than I liked got the better of me, and I got a 180 dgree themostat and installed it. The temp reading was where I liked it, but after a couple of times to the lake, I noticed fuel mileage sucked. Then I talked to my Pop and some other folks smarter than me, I bought another 195 thermostat(new) and installed it. Guess what, mileage went back up and temp runs more like normal. Maybe I had a bad thermostat(I have come to the conclusion that it was STICKING on the first warm up cycle), but my mileage is way better with the correct thermostat. Basically that sensor that is screwed into the thermostat housing was not reading the temp correctly, due to the 180 thermostat, and was telling the computer that the engine wasn't at operating temp; thus sending more fuel all the time. Maybe your engine builder put a 180 thermostat in because that's what he had(???) For $10-$12 for a new 195 thermostat & gasket and 20 minutes to install, it's worth a try. It fixed 2 of my problems. I hope this helps and I'm sorry for the "sands through the hourglass" story. |
MR-Fixit |
Regarding using the air compressor to clear a fuel return line... Dont even try it, leave the job to a professional! There is risk of fire and injury or accident. and Don't try using the compressor anywhere around the gas lines or vapor area. I had the compressor placed about 25' away, the hose length I used was 50' long. Adjusting the pressure would place me 25 feet away from the vehicle at the air compressor. The motor makes sparks and to avoid any potential mishap-... the vehicle battery is also removed along with keys to ignition before working with the fuel lines - just in case. I just wanted to say that stuff. Don't hold me responsible if you have a catastrophy because monkey see so monkey do. |
MR-Fixit | I have also used a small adjustable air compressor to pressurize the fuel return line to the gas tank, it should have a properly working relief valve but be cautious not to over do it. I have used maximum ~ 20 psi to clear a blocked line but dont go near the operating pressure of the fuel pump! Removing the fuel fill cap to vent, bubbles may or may not be heard as air enters gas tank. Bleed excess fuel pressure before disconnecting fuel lines covering connection with a rag. The connector is usually the bottom fuel line in front of drivers door along the frame, A rubber hose over the end of the line connected to the air line, and slowly increase regulator valve for air pressure. |
MR-Fixit |
Fuel pressure test the system is it low or high? If the fuel filter is clogged causing ~ 30 LBS pressure drop and most likely the fuel return line is too clogged ~ 30 LBS. The fuel filter would lower the pressure comming in and the blocked return line will override the fuel regulator causing a buildup of pressure. You may get an near normal reading but just low 1-3 LBS. Once the filter is replaced the blockage in the return line will be obvious because the fuel pressure will be restored to ~ 50-60 LBS unregulated. To confirm blockage, a hose from the fuel rail return line to a 5 gallon gas can will bypass the blockage in the return line. Be cautious fuel is under pressure and will fill up the gas can fast in as few 2 minutes! The pressure gauge will read a regulated pressure once the excess fuel is allowed to be dumped into the 5 gallon gas can. So... no tester? You may as well start dropping the gas tank and buy a good fuel pump while your in there cleaning out the tank and changing the filters. Before installing those new parts it is the proper time to use fuel system cleaner and clean the injectors. Bet ya get better mileage from this tip! Why? Because when the injectors are under the extra pressure of fuel, once they open all the excess fuel is pumped into the intake during the time the injector is pulsed open - whatever the pulse time may be there is just much more fuel being delivered. So the O2 sensor detects it, computer adjust the pulse width and still the excess fuel is pumped into the intake. It will send the system chasing it's tail and maybe you too. |
ENIX89YJ | my jeep you have to crank it 2 to 4 times and then pump the gas to get it to start and then it seems to flood itself out when I keep the gas pedal is kept at one point... what could be the problem???? |
MR-Fixit | ... if you have read this post and your Jeep is running good again regardless if these postings helped find or resolve the trouble... each and every reader should post the solution they found here, even if someone already wrote it! |
MR-Fixit | Does the engine start with a tap of the key or does it take two or three revolutions to purge the flooded cylinders of excess fuel before it starts up? If it don't start at a tap of the key, engine was probably left in a flooded state from the last time engine was run due to the enriched fuel mixture from at least one malfunction in the system. |
MR-Fixit |
Re: MPG getting worse now... The rubber vacuum componets may be starting to deteriorate on the vacuum lines end fittings and the coolant temperature sensor is probably gradually increasing in resistance. Heat causes resistors to increase in value - resistors never decrease in value! So as the coolant temperature sensor gradually increases in value because it keeps getting hotter from the engine running hotter and hotter each time it is driven (fuel getting richer), it is reporting to the computer that the engine is getting colder and colder until the computer is dumping all the fuel it can into the system. And the hotter engine compartment leads to faster breakdown of the rubber stuff under the hood. Of course it could be other stuff causing it all but... I like my version best. Post some measurements here and let's compare results. State what you are measuring, where your test probes are connected, and the lowest reading, average reading, and highest reading. Include operating parameters such as, idle, hot or cold or warm engine, raining or dry day, and whatever other details you would think could be informative. It is much cheaper to test and measure than throw parts at the vehicle until you end up replacing everything but what needed replacing. |
ENIX89YJ | i get right at 16mpg with my 89 yj with 2.5 5spd and 31-10.50.... but for some reason i think i am getting worse now.... gas type??? |
MR-Fixit | It's as easy as that! |
MR-Fixit |
Fault Found: I stated above there was not a vacuum leak measureable with the vacuum gauge - the MAP Sensor vacuum end fitting was not cracked or dry rotten but was deformed slightly intermittently allowing unmetered air into the system. Most noticeable when the engine and transmission would twist during rev-up to take off. Regarding the computer, it was potted in a jell like substance so I did not pursue troubleshooting that further. The wiring from the MAP sensor to the computer was tested and was not the cause. The ground lug for the body did have a 1 Ohm change when loosened-cleaned-retightened but it was not significant to the solution. It was during the testing of the MAP sensor when the trouble resolved for a short period of time that lead to re-checking throughly the connections surrounding the MAP sensor. It was not posted in previous posts but the O2 sensor was also replaced along with the vacuum lines' end adapters to the valve cover, fuel rail regulator valve vacuum end and the other end of the line to the intake manifold. The slight fluctuation of < 1 in. Hg is due to the ignition system (cap and rotor fouling again but probably due to ignition advance- have not installed replacement yet but inspection reveals the trouble is most likely there). It was easier to put a timing light on the vehicle to observe fluctuation of the ignition timing from the MAP sensor vacuum leak to find the problem. Note: The vehicle would also jerk during take off unless the engine was revved which was also associated with the inttermittent vacuum leak to the MAP sensor. Conclusion: Bad Fuel Economy: *Coolant Temperature Sensor: defective causing open loop limp-home mode and poor fuel economy. Vacuum Leaks: Primarily to the MAP sensor but also the valve cover vacuum line and fuel rail regulator line causing loss of power on acceleration and poor fuel economy. Cause & Effect: The coolant temperature sensor and unmetered air leaking into the system setup the condition for high fuel consumption, loss of power, and enriching the fuel mixture leading to a "Hot" running engine- thinning the oil and and leading to premature failure of the engine. It could be argued that the engine failure was due to oil maintenance but I disagree and believe it was from running too rich and for too long - generally from lack of proper service. Test drive confirms fuel economy restored ~ 100 miles and used less than 1/4 tank of gas. ... also another correction to my previous post, the line that reads: Measured Idle Vacuum (in. Hg): 16.5 V should not have the "V" at the end because it is not a voltage but a vacuum. In short, check and replace coolant temperature sensor - be sure to get all air from the block or it will be a problem!!! Verify MAP sensor's proper operation by issolating vacuum leaks. Feedback is welcome regarding my posts. Good luck! |
MR-Fixit |
MAP Sensor Test Supply Voltage: 4.9 V Ground Pin to Body/Battery Ground Resistance: < .5 Ohm Applied Vacuum (in. Hg) / Expected Voltage Drop 3.94 / 0.4 V 7.87 / 0.6 V 11.81 / 1.2 V 15.75 / 1.6 V 19.69 / 2.0 V Measured Idle Vacuum (in. Hg): 16.5 V Measured Idle Voltage (VDC): 1.7 V Expected Voltage Drop 1.6 VDC (+/- 0.1 V) |
MR-Fixit |
Correction to above: This line is wrong: The thermostat causing open loop mode and the MAP sensor related circuitry disrupting the timing are the most likely culprits. Should read: The temperature sensor causing open loop mode and the MAP sensor related circuitry disrupting the timing are the most likely culprits. |
MR-Fixit |
Case Study: 1995 Jeep Wrangler 2.5L Problems _____ Ok, then Case Study: Overheating, Low Oil Pressure, Poor Fuel Economy, Open Loop Mode, Lacking Power, Rich Fuel Mixture, Drivability Issues, Emissions, Timing, Map Sensor Here is a 1995 Jeep Wrangler SE 2.5L engine and AX5 transmission without A/C Presenting problem: Engine seized 1st differential diagnosis: Improper oil maintenance Troubleshooting revealed: Cylinder #4 Piston shattered sending debris into intake, breaking valves off, and finally jammed the crankshaft with a large chunk of debris. Procedures: Cleaned and degreased engine compartment and removed the defective engine block. *Disassembled all accessories cleaning them thoroughly, degreasing then painting in high temperature enamel. *Assembled prepared parts on a remanufactured engine block primed and painted with high temperature engine enamel, with new ignition wires, distributor cap, rotor, spark plugs, water pump, thermostat, serpentine belt, temperature switch (broke apart easily) and installed assembly into vehicle. *Primed the oil pump *Burped the air from the engine block (filling through water pump outlet hose disconnected and raised above block and radiator level and without the temperature sensor removed as suggested because had installed a radiator flush tee in the heater hose and simply unscrewed the cap to let air escape)- note, Duralast thermostat from AutoZone with jiggle valve works better than other aftermarkets tested to relieve air bubbles inside engine block. The original thermostat had a very small v-notch on the edge of the valve lip to bleed the system). Did not use a 180 degree because it would cause an open loop mode. Did not drill hole in thermostat because it would raise the cold side of the cooling systems base temperature so when or if the thermostat did open the cooling system would not have been as cool. *Started engine briefly to verify oil pressure was sustainable- noted slight rattle at top of engine, intermittent misfire, differential diagnosis: (rocker chatter), hydraulic lifters - no rocker arm adjustments so incorrect timing and ignition. *Shut down engine after brief startup to confirm there were no oil leaks and that all was in order *Finished fastening the system into place. *Restart engine and allow to warm up to normal operating temperature and troubleshoot rattle. Trouble noted: missing not smooth idle, minor exhaust leak from muffler drain hole, backfire on revving engine out tailpipe - slight popping sound after releasing throttle on slight rev-up. Occasional stalling after revving engine slightly. Drives good but not powerful on acceleration as would expect, as if it was geared very low and seemingly the need to downshift to get up to speed. Fuel economy very poor ~ 150 per tank full. Differential diagnosis: catalytic converter, ignition and timing, vacuum leak, fuel mixture rich, muffler. The distributer timing was correct but the wires were arcing to the dip stick tube. The rotor contact tab had arc burn and inspection revealed the plastic holding the the tip was malformed allowing it to rise leading to the contact tab going off center thus creating a bad connection to arc and burn the metal tab and also the cap. Replaced with different aftermarket manufacturers - all were replaced rotor, cap, wires, and it resolved most of the missing and rough idle. Assessment: *Temperature Gauge Reading ~ 210 degree Fahrenheit, notable swing when thermostat opens and closes during idle *Oil Pressure Gauge Reading ~ 50 psi at cold idle, drops to 40 psi when warming up at idle, as low as ~ 20 psi when hot idle, differential diagnosis rich fuel mixture causing "hot" running engine - open loop limp-in mode. Troubleshooting Procedures: *Verified there was no air in cooling system by continuously squeezing and releasing the water outlet hose to jiggle thermostat valve for air release. Measured the resistance of the temperature sensor @ ~ 4.3K Ohm cold and ~ 800 Ohm hot, research reveals temperature sensor may have increased in value - expected values could range as low as ~ 100 Ohms or so. The temperature sensor was replaced as the new aftermarket measured @ ~ 3K Ohm cold. This may explain the approximately 1K Ohm variant - increase measured cold and the 800 Ohm reading when hot causing open loop mode. *Vacuum tested @ 16-17 in Hg, determined no vacuum leaks - very steady reading with only a fluctuation of ~ 1 in Hg *Revved engine @ 2000 RPM and vacuum did not drop - in fact it increased a bit, determined catalytic converter was not restricting exhaust. *Measured supply voltage to MAP sensor @ 4~ 5V, measured output from MAP sensor @ ~ 1.5V and would vary on idle change, did notice the system to enter closed loop mode at least for a short time - idle changed, rattle disappeared from valve cover area, test drive had power and appeared fixed, however after ~ 10 -15 minutes the trouble reappeared. Differential diagnosis, timing advancing/retarding relating to MAP sensor vacuum, MAP sensor, MAP Sensor wiring, or the computer. Possible to be electrical ground due to engine being painted. Research reveals common trouble with Jeep computers having problems with solder joints on the input side (ring cracks, cold solder joints, etc) Before replacing the MAP sensor or the computer, the wiring from the MAP sensor to the Computer needs verified. Groundings and signal routes need explored, only three wires for MAP sensor and two grounds (engine and body) so should be simple to troubleshoot except the computer needs disassembled for inspection and repair of solder joints if present. So what do you think happened to the original engine? At this point I believe the first engine failure was due to several problems leading the engine to run rich fuel mixture thinning the oil, deteriorating the piston wrist pin until it broke and the rest is evident. The thermostat causing open loop mode and the MAP sensor related circuitry disrupting the timing are the most likely culprits. I am certain there is someone who would have done this differently, I will post the final diagnosis soon. I hope this helps some of those gas guzzling Jeeps before they get glazed from oil and toasted. It kinda seems as though there are many Jeeps out there prematurely failing due to the computer program running them. Sure, limp home mode helps but why Jeeps do not flag a code when computer is in that mode instead of no codes and poor gas mileage is strange. Updates to follow. _____ |
ctlucas93 | As in engine overhaul everything was replaced exept for piston, rings, crank, and cam, everything else is new, waiting for te money to just have a staight pipe and muffler put on(dont have to have a CAT around here, I have no exaust leaks upstream of the CAT. The bolt that held the rocker in broke after the overhaul and I maybe drove it 5 miles because I didnt know that was the problem then it was towed when oil pressure bottomed out because of the lifter popping out and not controling oil pressure. I didn't know It took that long to clear codes from the computer on these things either, I did unhook it but it was only off maybe 5 seconds, when the lifter broke it was smoking black now it isnt burning rich but still get the codes, fuel presure regulator have anything to do with milage, because it does take you having to turn the engine over, wait and turn it over agian when its cold to crank. |
bck4more | I get 9mpg in my 87 with 33's |
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Change to B.C. liquor policy to impact all-ages events at some venues
A change to provincial liquor policies set to take effect this month will further reduce what is already a shortage of local venues for all-ages concerts, according to a Vancouver non-profit group.
The Safe Amplification Site Society is raising concerns about a Liquor Control and Licensing Branch (LCLB) policy directive set to take effect on January 15, which will see some local establishments unable to host non-licensed shows for all ages.
"The concern is that there's very few places for all-ages events as it is, and it doesn't really seem like there's any reason to take away one of the few options that do exist," Ryan McCormick, a director with the society, which is focused on establishing a permanent all-ages space for music in the city, told the Straight by phone.
Under the policy change, liquor primary licensed establishments, such as nightclubs, bars and pubs, will no longer be permitted to "de-license" to host all-ages events of the same type the venue is licensed for. That means some music venues, like the Rickshaw Theatre, will no longer be allowed to apply to lock up their bar for a night in order to host an all-ages concert.
"Police, LCLB and communities have identified public safety and enforcement problems in LP [liquor primary] establishments which have been temporarily de-licensed for alternate use where the establishment is essentially carrying on the same business as they are licensed for (e.g. operating as a nightclub) but with all-ages present," the November policy directive reads. "Minors attending these events have been found to be consuming liquor either prior to entering or outside the establishment during the course of the event".
David Duprey, the owner of the Rickshaw, called the decision "ludicrous".
"It is going to impact us financially…and it's also just…messing with the kids," he said in an interview. "Where are they going to go now? It could potentially drive a lot of these kids into underground venues where there is going to be no proper security and there are going to be no proper fire codes."
McCormick echoed Duprey's concern, calling the Rickshaw "one of very few legal, safe, all-ages venues that exists".
"For it to be taken away for no real reason seems like an awful shame," he said.
The B.C. Ministry of Energy and Mines, which oversees the LCLB, did not make anyone available for an interview with the Straight. But information provided by the ministry indicated the branch has received "numerous complaints" from parents, high schools, and from police in B.C. related to all-ages events in liquor primary establishments, and "concerns about the appropriateness of permitting minors in nightclubs and bars".
According to Duprey, the Rickshaw typically hosts about one to two all-ages shows a month. He noted the venue has yet to confirm whether it will be able to host all-ages shows during the day. The policy directive indicates that temporary de-licensing is not required for alternate use of a licensed establishment before the start of licensed hours.
Venues such as theatres, stadiums, and concert halls with liquor primary licences, including the Rio Theatre and the Vogue, will not be affected by the policy directive for all-ages events. The Commodore Ballroom, which hosts occasional all-ages events, will also not be affected as it operates on a grandfathered food-primary and liquor-primary dual licence.
Seattle has had all-ages mixed shows for years. Teens need places to go. God knows there is NOTHING in this the city for them to do..
This is either someone { Donnelly?} lobbying the city or a total idiot that thinks this is a good idea....