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Can someone tell every single news channel that the black box recorders are not going to tell anyone who actually shot the plane down. All they will confirm is the time the plane was hit, it's altitude, speed, heading and any ATC instructions.
It's not as if there's going to be a voice recording of the pilots saying "that looks like a BUK missile fired by Russian separatists heading our way."
What business is it of Cameron's? We don't care what he thinks.
Labour are already trying to figure out if there is a tax angle here.
He's the babbling uber-pundit of the UK with an opinion about everything.
it's not a "crash" it's a shoot-down, war crime and mass murder. It's not a "tragedy" either. It's an atrocity.
Cameron will do something about it if he is reelected with a majority.
So what do you suggest – Ask Milliband? Fat lot go good that would be
"get to the bottom of this", is he confusing this incident with… Oh never mind!.
So an aircraft full of AIDS riddled dutchmen falls out of the sky
who cares ?
Unless they fell into my garden I dont care
Cameron was probably on first name terms with most of them
Most families loving. But have seen horrible exploitation of sick elderly by greedy relatives. Hence concern about "assisted" dying.
— Diane Abbott MP (@HackneyAbbott) July 18, 2014
I hope Elton John was aboard along with his "husband"
There you are on your death bed and Dianne riceanpea Abutt turns up to gorge on your fruit
More morphine please DR
Russia, highly likely to be responsible for MH17 crash, now owes compensation not only to the families but to the battle against HIV/AIDs.
— Ben Judah (@b_judah) July 18, 2014
I think I can see the real reason she's worried about 'assisted dying'.
He will. He will look very grave and serious, indeed.
Oh yes.
I am one of her most fiercest critics but that is now TWICE she has been in the right this week. First was the emergency state snooper's charter and now this, State legalised killing.
Lets all show our humanity by blowing up thousands of afghans and arming noble ISIS fighters in wicked Syria
How can these politcos keep a straight face?
In his fucking tiny bumsex addled brain.
Guys i have a confession i've always had a thing for Simon Cowell
"research" of the Pete Townsend variety ?
Who wants to spend their days examining excrement , and talking to queens and Africans?
The important question is, 'What would Mandiba have thought about assisted dying?'
Would he have approved of BUKs at 35,000'? I think that is a question for all of us.
You have no evidence that it was a "shoot down" and it sounds like Dave doesn't yet either.
Then if it was a shoot down. Who shot it down? And even more pertinent, why was a civilian aircraft sent through a war zone where aircraft are shot down almost every day?
Excellent 1 thats half of parliament wiped out then
I have fond memories of the days when it was impossible to watch the television without seeing a male fashion designer i n a hospital bed weighing 70llbs with his life ebbing away to show tunes
Two major stories at the moment the downed jet and Is ray el in Gaza. What do sky do when their is a choice between down town Gaza and Amsterdam. They send that air headed bimbo Burley to bloody Amsterdam
So Guido prefers a shower of adverts to be shown before the prime minister makes a statement. What's next from Guido? What a trougher.
30 second advert before making blog statements available.
Interruptions every 30 seconds for an advert .
or do as Digger does for The Times and The Sun with monthly subscriptions.
Request BBC does like.
So have I
its a nylon noose!
He only wears those stupid pants as he keeps a small boy down the back of them
Plus autonomous BUKs do not fire singly, they are set to fire in pairs, a 777 would need a pair to down it if the missiles were proximity charged (almost invariably) to shatter the planes surfaces.
I haven't heard any 'eye-witnesses' yet (if there are any) but if anyone mentions hearing two loud bangs then that is fairly conclusive of an Autonomous BUK, single explosion and it's a coordinated 4-pack BUK that then defaults to a single missile due to the enhanced accuracy.
The 777 crew and passengers will have known almost nothing about the explosion (the missile and shrapnel) is all supersonic and the decompression with oxygen loss would mean no-one would have been aware of the problem before passing out.
But in the last 6-7000ft of the fall those alive will regain some degree of conciousness and that is the real horror, this sort of disintegration will mean that probably half of them will have regained consciousness and those 30 seconds before impact will have real terror in it.
At Lockerbie two girls/women were found still in their seats, hugging each other…
A devilish act of human origin…
There are no flies on Cameron, especially when Adam Boulton's outside number 10.
It was one of Abbotts relatives who toppled over the Costa Concordia Cruise Ship when they moved to one side of the ship.
the bloke sitting on the wing riding shotgun should have told them that
More than likely that no one wanted to bring down a full civilian aircraft and it is an innocent casualty of war.
But why was it directed through that area in the first place? It should not have been put on that course.
The impacts will be recorded on the black box, until they are deleted by Moscow.
Civilian passenger aitcraft fly through warzones every day unless there is a specific NOTAM. 15 out of 16 major Asian carriers were using the same sir corridor. Saying it was specifically routed into danger is pure nonsense.
we fired rockets at the local public lav in our youth – cleared them out in no time at all – if that!
The recording of the commander who shot it down was not evidence? Nice try Ivan, but you'll have to work harder for them roubles.
I heard an interview last night with a local who said he heard a couple of bangs and then the explosion.
Also, the black box may not reveal the source of the missile, but it will record the sensors in the aircraft that would allow investigators to piece together the likely type of blast pattern – i.e. did the right side of the plane get hit by the missile bursting in the air or did the engine explode instantly upon missile contact, or was a wing hit and did the plane spiral down, etc… The cascade of of failure vs total immediate failure of everything will tell a story.
Yep. Massive explosive decompression so hopefully none of those on board would have known anything about it.
Heard the same thing about the Lockerbie bombing. I try to imagine that no one would have regained consciousness.
The use of upper atmosphere ballistics is rare in civil wars, the objective is usually fighter-bomber attack at sub 5000ft, usually 1000ft, so the arms used all work in that zone.
Anything that extends beyond the 20000ft zone has to be a serious bit of kit with huge costs and very limited application, insurgents are unlikely to spend the million of £s on just one unit.
If you nick one then none of us would be able to fire it for a few weeks, it is a brick-wall technology, you have to follow a sequence and just pressing the fire button won't let the missile go.
Each procedure has to be adhered to exactly and there are four main sequences prior to firing, stumble even slightly and the system locks you out and you begin again, but you then need a command code to do that.
This is not a "Whoops! it was an accident Gov!" matter, I could give anyone here a BUK and all would sit there will it entirely safe, for weeks probably as you tried and repeatedly failed to set one off.
In fact I doubt if you were untrained you'd ever set one off.
This was a purposeful act, no twitch on a trigger, no distracted accident.
There's going to be endless recriminations about the course of the plane, for sure. But the source of the missile, no matter what it is, is going to have profound geo-political consequences one way or the other.
15 out of 16 major Asian carriers were using the same air corridor. It's a well used flight path, there is no evidence the plane had it's flightpath altered.
There would be if he stuck his finger up his arse and held it up in the air.
Of course it's his business – when there are British nationals on board.
In years past, this sort of thing would have been casus belli. Let's hope it doesn't come to that now.
Indeed, this was a purposeful act. The important part is to determine where the missile came from. With that knowledge, one way or the other, the whole geopolitical landscape in the area will change.
It will list a series of reports on the damage to the kinematics of the wings and surfaces and that sequence of reports will say from what direction they came from and give a good trajectory read-out of the shrapnel, but nothing else.
Any drop-out (deletion) will be interesting in itself.
Better to lose the whole thing than delete or tamper with box, tampering would be self-condemning… losing it in transit is better politically.
Ukraine confirms they did not shoot down the airliner. Has stated they were out of range and all its missiles are accounted for and offers inspections if required
I haven't seen that, I sort of stopped watching after I became a bit depressed by the event itself.
I'm quite weak that way, I get knocked down a bit by such vileness.
But two bangs and an explosion is a bit of a tell-tale.
And it looks like the muppet Russian separatists (who were the most likely candidates) didn't realise that deleting a tweet doesn't destroy it!
This is more than an embarrassment for Moscow, it's a fucking disaster. I'm sure they still convinced that they can cover it up like a Cold War "incident."
I didn't see an advert. Perhaps it's cookie related – if you've not seen one lately, you've not seen your 'quota'?
Of course it was a shoot down. Dave is just being his usual mealy-mouthed, bet hedging, don't upset anyone but UKIP, wet, spoon-faced, useless self.
A proper statesman would have frozen or seized all Russian assets in the UK by now, including the homes of oligarchs in London.
Never said it wasn't his business. But he could have issued a short, dignified statement not gone on TV like a sleb, babbling uber-pundit.
Well thinking back to my college toxicology days a person as large as diane may require a double dose. Medication and the fatbots is tricky, particularly if the sunstance is fat soluble.
She is right to be worried, anaesthetics should also worry her!
He has been his usual useless self, weak-knee'd and pathetic.
People will still vote for him as his 'serious face' fools many.
Who gains by shooting down the plane?
There's no advatage for the freedom fighters, a lot of advatage for the USA/EU supported rulers in Kiev in blaming the freedom fighters and the Russians.
USA/EU ramping up the case for war against Russia and to make the Ukraine one of their fiefdoms.
Irrelevant. If there is the slightest risk and there was and it has now been proved then No civilian aircraft should have been routed through that area.
The only reason, the only logical reason must have been to save fuel costs.
They are not allowed to fly through there today and the extra costs are being met. But fuel is a lot cheaper than the lives contained in a passenger aircraft.
Whereas if they had been sent to Washington we could have been confident of finding out the truth. /sarc
Not much said about this? It has been ongoing for some time.
Air strike in Snezhnoe leaves at least 8 dead. 4 y-o boy seriously wounded, may be fatal. Eastern #Ukraine today http://t.co/HOBdIzY9Gu—
Noah Sneider (@NoahSneider) July 15, 2014
It seems to attract Labour flies when he does that:
David Cameron pledges £1.1 billion for defence to fight cyber terrorists http://t.co/Lws2EFWkHy #toryscum pic.twitter.com/zSjl3RsVwU
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Vote UKIP :-D
Not much fun to be had in Gaza,but Amsterdam is a surefire winner.
You simply couldn't do that and maintain air-corridors, we need corridors because they are much safer, Air Traffic Controllers are familiar with their zone and can run the complexity of the movement with a huge margin of safety, plus diverting from your alotted corridor requires notification and agreement for the extra burden on the one you go to.
It is quite likely that the alternative corridors had already taken a few airlines traffic and were checking their own safety margins on the load applied to their ATCs before taking more craft.
The alternative corridors will be heavily burdened right now as they try to cope with the increased flow.
It is not like driving where one can change your mind and go right instead of left at the next junction.
And you think the Oligarchs had something to do with this?
Typical default lefty, grab-whatever-you-can-that-others-own reaction.
If you're not a lefty, you sure behave like one
Apportion blame where it's due, of course, but prove it first.
Actually, there is, although it is ambiguous, like every other aspect of this tragic story. The previous 9 Malaysia flights are recorded as giving this area of Ukraine a wide berth, just this tenth one which flew almost over Donetsk, and barely over the height exclusion limit.
There are so many possible scenarios here, with varying probabilities. From a mistake by Kiev forces who had multiple BUK systems, or by the East Ukrainians, who had at least one; to false data fed deliberately to a missile crew (easily done); to fully remote flight control (which all Boeings now have). There is also a report from a locally sited (Spanish) flight controller stating categorically that the plane was being shadowed by 2 Kiev jets.
In the fog of war, it would be rash to believe the first or even the second official explanation. Cui bono is, as ever, critical, although it does not rule out simple fck-ups. But to go over old ground, the Kiev forces were/are taking a beating in the East and they are the ones who benefit from a widening of the war.
Labour made most people poor and Hungary while killing the aged and destroying the NHS. Homelessness increased dramatically under the last Labour government as did unemployment as it always does. The country was bust again as it always is when Labour leave power.
So fuck off with your stupid comments and childish pictures. And take UKIP and shove it up your stupid thick as pigs shit arse. While you are at it same for Labour
No I'm not a lefty by any means. Can't stand them. But I don't much care for Russian oligarchs inflating the housing market with dirty money or the governments that let them do it.
It's not about apportioning blame, it's about sending a message, which our useless PM is usually very keen on.
Agree completely. Therefore this is Russian kit, set off either on Putin's orders or someone in a senior position in the Russian forces, possibly embedded in UA as a proxy for their so-called "rebels".
I do not buy the "accident" argument in the slightest. This is just too deliberate to fire, as you rightly point out, for there to have been some ghastly mistake carried out in the heat of the moment. Either way, it is bad for Putin. If he did it he can never be taken seriously on the world stage again. If it was the action of a highly placed renegade, then Putin is not in control.
It is no win/no win.
Oh come off it maqboul. The whole story is unclear, and the recording you quote equally so.
The recording released by Kiev is actually made up of two distinct sections; the first is a genuine recording of 2 East Ukrainian reps. discussing a downed plane and there have been many of those in the arena; while the second, which is being pitched as the smoking gun, is two unidentified individuals talking about the Malaysian flight who could be anyone, including actors.
This is about as far from proof as it gets. And for the record, I'm no Ivan; Putin is not a good guy, although he appears to be somewhat less objectionable than the current US regime.
As a Country, as a league of nations, as a world, we are spending thousands of billions of dollars and committing countless hours of manpower into preventing "terrorists" blowing up a civilian airliner.
Did no one then stop to think that it was a bad idea to fly civilian aircraft over a war zone, where aircraft are shot down daily, in order to save a few dollars in fuel and a few minutes of time?
If Dave tried seizing the assets of Russian billionaires half of his family would be dead or missing within a week.
The EU has blood on its hands.
It should not have directed civilian aircraft over a war zone, however small it considered the risk.
A few dollars of fuel and a few minutes of extra journey time and there would have been no risk however small to even consider…Like today, after the event.
In the 70's, two Air Rhodesia Viscounr aircraft were sot down with Sam 7 missiles after taking off from Kariba.
On the second occasion the passengers who survived the crash were either murdered or raped by the terrorists who fired the missile.
Was there an outcry over these acts? No there wasn't, in fact the Dean of Salisbury cathedral the Rev. John Da Costa preached a sermon that subsequently was released as a record entitled "The Deafening Silence"
Double standards?
The incident occurred with the plane well away from the great circle route, usually flown for economy and efficiency. You might also ask yourself (tho I doubt you will) WTF was Ukr ATC, which is fully responsible for the safe passage of civilian planes within its airspace, doing routing it over a war zone? Whoever did it, Ukr ATC must bear some responsibility.
Hard to swallow but can see the need for a no-fly zone.
Ockham's Razor
Most of the Ukranian army kit is russian or ex-soviet – their Buk SAM missile systems certainly are.
Coldly, rationally, you are right. There was no reason for the East Ukrainians to do this, and the Russians would not do it either – they have been holding back since the show started. Kiev, on the other hand, has both form and motive.
Several Asian and other airlines have avoided the area for months.
Including Qantas, Korean Air, Cathay Pacific, Asiana and Taiwan's China Airlines.
Or do they not count among the major Asian airlines you mention?
Excellent Reuters piece here:
825 flights used that area since monday. No NOTAMS issued.
It's a standard air corridor.
Nice try with the Putin propaganda but it's not going to stack up this time.
Much more to this than meets the eye.
Russian military expert claims pilot radioed his concerns about the route before diverting over rebel-held territory
Russian media explores theory that Ukrainian armed forces shot down Boeing 777 after mistaking it for Putin's jet
Kremlin leader was flying back to Moscow from Brazilian World Cup at around same time passenger plane crashed
Russian aviation sources said the routes of the two planes 'crossed at the same point and on the same altitude'
Ukrainian official accuses Putin of smuggling missile launcher back into Russia to cover up Kremlin involvement
Malaysian transport minister seeks to absolve airline of blame after it was criticised for flying through a war zone
Liow Tiong Lai said MH17 was flying on internationally-approved route and pilot given no last-minute instructions
Quite right too. He's more trustworthy than the leaders of the EU or our LibLabCon.
Same story notes"
Ukrainian authorities had closed the flight path from the ground to around 32,000 feet, according to Eurocontrol, the agency responsible for coordinating European airspace. Flight MH17 was flying 1,000 feet above that.
Or maybe you have by voting uKIP you will get the direct opposite of what you want. If it wasn't so serious it would be laughable.
Noted. But Ukraine have accounted for all such weapons and are prepared to allow verification. What do you think the chances are that Russia will follow suit?
Not "Russian", Soviet. BUK went into service 1980, and would have been deployed in Ukraine. Russians would not have bothered much leaving a few behind after the end of the USSR, as they had better tech on the way. Facts compatible with a Ukr false flag.
Have to say that I am surprised that aircraft were directed over a war zone. I certainly would not have minded an extra 10 minutes on the flight to avoid it.
Are you saying GCHQ not up to the job? Is this the start of a NSA outsourcing racket?
If the grandstanding on twitter and the reported transcripts are true then it looks like this was a massive and tragic fuk up by the Russian Separatists.
I wonder if Putin will attempt a Cold War style cover up? If the Ukrainians can absolutely prove it wasn't them then I wonder if Vlad will come clean?
Those asking what the plane was doing flying there. Planes fly over areas like this the whole time. The mistake (albeit tragic) was made by some dumb twat on the ground who was probably half pissed on vodka.
All that effort avoiding the ash from the unpronounceable volcano and shutting down European airspace just in case it could be however remotely dangerous. Yet they do not avoid a war zone with SAM missiles?
No they don't.
Qantas and Air Berlin, Asiana Airlines Inc, Korean Air Lines Co Ltd, Cathay Pacific Airways Ltd and Taiwan's China Airlines decided to avoid Ukrainian airspace several months ago.
"It's blatantly obvious they shouldn't have been anywhere near it," Dell, who was working as a senior safety manager for Qantas during the first Gulf War, said of Flight MH17.
"Any sort of unrest breaks out, civil wars or such, you change your flight path so that you don't have to go anywhere near it. Of course it comes at a cost, because you have to fly further."
You utter mong. Someone made a giant boo-boo with Putin's toys. Now they're all rowing like Steve fucking Redgrave. It's not van Rompuy or the CIA.
Sorry, yes that's what I was trying (in a less knowledgeable way) to get at.
Too many trying idiotically to find any angle to pin this as a deliberate act by Russia itself.
People are implying this was not a horrific accident but neither Russia nor the 'separatists' had anything to gain by this. Especially since the kiev forces were getting pasted in the east too.
I believe I flew over Ukraine with both Etihad and Emirates ijuat n the last couple of months.
The only people who gain from this is the Ukrainians, perhaps their fighters shot it down?.
Fuck off and live in Russia then. You would soon change your tune. I don't suppose you have ever been there though have you. Just another loud mouth arm chair fucking warrior who talks bollocks
I didn't say it was the right thing to be doing. Just that hundreds had.
Bullets must be costly these days!.
'Someone made a giant boo-boo with Putin's toys.'
Since you're way ahead of any crash investigation…please enlighten us with some proof since both sides have the same 'toys'…
"Too many trying idiotically to find any angle to pin this as a deliberate act by Russia itself"
Whereas to use any angle to suggest that RF is not culpable is not idiotic, I suppose?
What school of logic did you go to?
They showed a picture of "Putin's jet" which looked very much like the 777 shot down.
Unfortunately for them he flew in a completely different aircraft, which was pictured in Brazil.
Made up distractions.
The trigger happy separatists did it with Russian toys.
No need for any conspiracies.
I'm inclined to believe it was an utterly tragic clusterfuck made by the separatists.
Given the lies and deceit peddled by both sides it's going to be nonstop claim and counter claim.
You'll also have the tinfoil hat bunch blaming M'urdoch, the CIA and the Is'rael'is.
Critical thinking yeah?
The school of logic that says before facts are known not to apportion blame.
Further, that anyone jumping to a such a strong conclusion as…
"Therefore this is Russian kit, set off either on Putin's orders or someone in a senior position in the Russian forces,"
…might have a pre-judged culprit in mind and not be objective.
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Nick Clegg No tuition fees
Ed Miliband Freeze global energy prices
Accountants have never signed off the EU's books.
One day will finally learn the meaning of the word hypocrisy. Then he will realise why everyone thinks he's a stupid twat.
All the other world leaders have gone on TV. If Cameron hadn't maybe not you but someone else would have come along and castigated him for doing that instead. Can't please everyone, for sure, but complaining about this is really pointless considering the gravity of the situation.
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You could hear the sign of relief from the London staff as far away as Southend.
Lots of 'ifs' abound.
But if there is a witness saying he heard two bangs and then the explosion, that is very strong evidence of a single BUK, now if it is a singleton then it WILL require visual sighting, this means someone looked into the sky, saw the contrail and then gave the approx bearing and then the BUKs omnifocal radar locks on to it.
Now, you can all look on Flightradar and often find a 747/777 sized plane at 30kft, it is quite distinguishable as a 'normal' plane, the contrail will show a straight course and it is absolutely certain that what you are looking at is a civilian plane, go outside and look yourselves, it is unmistakeable to the naked eye, in an optical ranger finder (to get the initial bearing) it will probably even have identifiable markings to show it's an airliner.
I'm sorry to say that this is increasingly obvious as a purposeful downing.
If it is a BUK team then it is just as inexcusable because that will have to be purposefully 'told' to ignore the plane's civilian squawk that tells all such weapons the plane is civilian.
Either way if this is a BUK single or teamed it takes human input to either sight the initial target or to over-ride the 'don't touch me, I'm a non-combatant' safety lock.
The more I consider the matter the more it strikes me that there is a singular dark heart at the centre of this, just one person made the finally fatal move.
I thought initial reports suggested bad weather had contributed to the route?
Who has most to gain is the first question one should ask.
On TV news it was suggested that Infra red cameras in space could locate and reveal the actual launch site. But this entire rebel movement depends for its arms supply upon outside sources;in this case we are told supplied by Russia. Who are we in the West to judge the arms suppliers about the havoc caused by the people they supply including the current death toll of Gazan civilians caused by Israel forces using USA supplied military arms, and Hamas rockets supplied by Arab states and God knows who else?
I know this is difficult for you so you ignored it but:
What do you think the chances are that Russia will follow suit?
What do you think the chances are that Russia will follow suit?
What do you think the chances are that Russia will follow suit?
What do you think the chances are that Russia will follow suit?
What do you think the chances are that Russia will follow suit?
There. I said it five times for you so you might just get it.
For an Idiot, you do not even seem to be Useful.
Film of a BUK-mono with two rockets missing, heading toward the Russian border…
Oh dear.
The firing sequence for a BUK-mono according to Janes is 'two inner' followed by 'two outer'.
Two inner missing in the video.
95% of the ones still flying over that part of Ukraine, not 95% of all aircraft transiting to Asia. There is a massive difference.
Several Asian and other airlines have avoided the area for months.
Including Qantas, Korean Air, Cathay Pacific, Asiana and Taiwan's China Airlines.
Or do they not count among the major Asian airlines you mention?
Excellent Reuters piece here:
The Ukrainians, backed by the CIA, are just as likely to have done it to justify the ongoing slaughter of those opposed to the bosses in Kiev.
They have the bulk of the weapons and have trained troops in the field.
You do realise that the Kiev rulers have the same weapons as the Russins, in fact they are Russian made weapons.
As for the CIA, they have openly had operatives/advisors in Kiev since the start of all this.
How many billions has the EU given to the rulers in Kiev?
Your and my tax money given to bolster an anti-Russian regime and prior to that bribes to get Ukraine to submit to the EUs commisariate and break with Russia
Dave s obviously been to his eyetie hairdresser today and asked for a serious/sad tonsure to fit the mood of the news.
Talking of uber pundits could nt Alan Hansen take over Dave s job now
he s unemployed ?
"Absolutely appaling "
"No defensive acumen whatsoever"
" Complete failure to boss the midfield early doors"
" The defence were as static as turkeys waiting for Christmas"
That should cover the soundbite spectrum
Why hasn't Cameron been on the phone to the Russian and Ukrainian Presidents ?
He says it is an "appalling, shocking, horrific incident" but then goes on to admit that we "still have to get to the bottom of this" so perhaps it would have been sensible to express condolences and leave the invective out of it.
Who knows when Barry said last night "it may have been a terrible tragedy" Cameron may still be nodding his head like a poodle in the days to come .
He is no statesman. He is using the situation to make a few juicy soundbites. His hero Blair though was a little better at it.
if the transcripts are true then this is not "a massive and tragic fuk up" as you say but a case of murder and the world will have to go into Ukraine and/or Russia and bring the people responsible to justice.
There should also be an International Inquiry held without delay to come up with clear international guidelines about flying over War Zones or areas which do not conform to the Rule of Law.
In view of this incident and what is happening in Gaza the summer recess should have been put on hold.
Nigel "I admire Putin" keeping a low profile at the moment – UKIP not keen on being reminded of their leader's allegiances.
Exactly which part of the footage of Russian separatists dancing around boasting, "Yay! We shot down a plane!" from a location verifiably deep within separatist held territory do you dispute? Not to mention a large amount of other material on social media immediately following the atrocity. Oh, of course, it's all Ukrainians in disguise, angling for world sympathy, thinking they could literally get away with murder. Donkey.
If the EU commissars had not interfered in The Ukraine in the first place none of this would have happened.
Ashdown and Barroso are the real culprits who set this chain of events in motion.
"Cameron Statement on Ukraine Plane Crash"
All that public money 'invested' in interweb snooping, and GCHQ still have no clue about what the 'terrorists' are up to. But on the upside, with a little unintentional help from Angie, they did manage to get a bet in on Germany for the World Cup win.
Hmmm, I remember in late 2003-early 2004 when flying BA regularly to Oman, the flight would routinely divert from Turkey and fly over Iran to keep out of Iraqi airspace as an air exclusion zone was in place-even though tge war was "over"
Interesting points.
They are not Heat Seeking Missles so they need to be guided.
How do you guide them in two dimensions?
You need co-ordinates ( and adjusted ones at that ) the plane is moving at 500 plus miles an hour so guessing is not an option.
Very queer as they say in upper ranks.
We are informed, via the media, that flight MH17 was blown out of the sky by a surface-to-air missile fired from a rebel-held area. This leaves me wondering what level of computer skills would be required of a missile-firing volunteer rebel to be able to program a missile to hit with pin-point accuracy such a fast moving and distant target. It seems the international confrontational blame game is once more in full swing, and whether the game is intended by the hidden un-elected elite to keep the nations of mankind in a state of obedient, nervous apprehension or not, who can say? But my sympathies go out to all affected by the tragic fate of flight MH17 and the international vague, bungling, heartless aftermath to be endured by us all.
There were likely to have been two missiles fired.
Each Missile has one half of a Duplex'd targeting system, one part on the missile and the other on the ground.
The missile doesn't have to hit, it merely has to explode in proximity to the 'plane, that is why a BUK on it's own fires two missiles, twice the chances of being close.
The warheads are effectively hundreds of near-hyper-sonic hot shards only one of which needs to breach the integrity of the plane's pressurised cabin to down it, or hit a tank or fuel line to down it, or the hydraulics or the kinematic surfaces to down it.
Zero 'computer skills' but lots of adherence to an 'Acquisition' and 'Firing' sequence, once the radar locks on with a steady signal and you've done all the sequences, the plane is toast.
Missiles like this are designed to down craft travelling at Mach 1.6 and if a 4-pack BUK is used then it can attach to that craft's tail, close into just the point of instability in the crafts wash and then explode.
Passenger airliners are huge compared to a Mach 1.6 capable fighter and travel at less than 550knots (0.75 mach) have no system to pick up the rapidly closing missiles and even if it did the missiles will run at about Mach 2 and could not possibly avoid it if it did.
The term that will have sprung to your mind would have been sitting target, in that you are 100% spot-on… sadly.
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FRESNO, Calif. — Since the inaugural show in 2011, the number of buyers and exhibitors at the Fresno Food Expo has more than doubled.
But show organizers and exhibitors said they believe that moving it next year from mid-March to July 24, which coincides with peak production of many San Joaquin Valley fresh commodities, can only enhance the event's draw.
"The July date would allow another side of the industry to participate more," said Stephen Paul, sales category manager for Porterville, Calif.-based Homegrown Organic Farms and a founding member of the expo board. "It will expand the availability of items, and I think it will play well."
Moving the date also will reduce conflicts with similar national and regional shows, he said.
The March 14 expo featured more than 100 exhibitors that showed off a blend of processed products, such as jams, cheeses and meats; minimally processed products, such as peeled baby carrots; fresh produce, such as citrus and grapes; and dried fruit and nuts.
All of the participating companies were from the eight-county San Joaquin Valley.
Vicky BoydBruce Pack (left), a buyer for Sylmar, Calif.-based Vallarta Supermarkets, talks with James Metcalf, senior marketing director for Tres Amigos De Pasa raisin snacks, Kerman, Calif., about package sizes, retail displays and pallet load sizes.The expo was open to more than 600 wholesale and retail buyers and other business representatives during five hours mid-day to allow exhibitors time to conduct business. Then the doors were opened to the public in the evening for more of a food tasting event.
Paul said he envisioned the show helping to create a regional identity tied to agriculture, much like the Napa Valley has done with wine.
"We need to put a brand on what we do here, and it's more difficult because we grow so many different things," he said.
To help support one of the expo's underlying goals — to enhance the local agricultural economy — event organizers had a one-day export seminar Jan. 15.
Representatives from China, Canada and Mexico discussed procedures for shipping produce into their countries.
Denver Schutz and Justin Nunes from Gerawan Farming Inc. attended the session, and both said they found it helpful, but for different reasons.
Schutz, technical services manager, said it was a good refresher of the export process.
Nunes, who recently joined Gerawan in sales, said the session was a great introduction.
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Ive always loved cars since i was a little boy and as soon as i got my license i was in heaven. I learned how to drive in a Chrysler Town and country mini van (haha). Eventually my parents traded in the mini van in for a 2008 Dodge Charger. That was probably my favorite vehicle ever, until they traded in a ford escort for a 2007 Dodge Charger RT this car had balls....
So far i have had 4 cars, my first car was a red Ford Ranger i had her for about a week and totaled her... My next car was a forest green crapalier, i had it for a few months and couldn't stand it any longer. My 3rd car was a Dodge stratus coupe, so far this has been my favorite vehicle. My 4th and most recent vehicle is a 1973 Plymouth Valiant all original only 50,000 miles and in great condition.
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Growing Drupal through local groups
##Acquia and growing Drupal
Part of my responsibilities at Acquia are to help grow the number of Drupal users. The Drupal community is growing quickly and the credit for that growth belongs to thousands of contributors and hundreds of Drupal evangelists. I've been personally working on growing Drupal for years, but recently I've begun working closely with my fellow Drupal association members Jacob Redding and Moshe Weitzman to explore how we can work with local groups to grow Drupal. In the rest of this blog post I cover information that I've gathered working with various members of the Drupal community and have shared with the Druapl infrastructure team, groups.drupal.org managers, and the Drupal marketing group. On Monday, June 9th, 5PM PDT Jacob and I will be hosting a web seminar to share our research and solicit feedback from local group organizers.
##Groups.drupal.org is growing
Currently, http://groups.drupal.org , GDO, acts as a rallying point for community events and helps reduce friction in Drupal event organizing. There are 8300 GDO users who are members of local groups, and events appear to be on track to grow from almost 400 in 2007 to 800 in 2008. GDO user growth is accelerating at a rate of 34 additional users per month, with almost 1,200 new users in March 2008 alone. This site now has over 1 million page views per month.
GDO has slow growth in the number of unique visitors climbing from 64,000 unique visitors to 84,000 unique visitors per month over 9 months ending March 2008. We believe that some improvements in user workflow and interaction design could dramatically increase the rate of participation on GDO.
Currently, 73% of visitors stay less than 30 seconds, with an average visit of 466 seconds. An upgrade of Drupal properties to Drupal 6 would enable the use of OpenID to further increase the total amount of users who could become members of local Drupal groups and ultimately attend local events. The authenticated user re-use rate for GDO is approximately 20% based on analysis over the last 24 months. This assures the Drupal community that GDO is a growing web property and worth putting further effort into.
##Long tail of local groups
Local groups are growing in number, now 224, with a growing number of members per group in a long tail distribution. 80% of local groups have less than 50 members. Most of Drupal's core community joined in the first few months of the creation of GDO two years ago. Current growth appears to be distributed and organic, representing a good opportunity to increase growth of new Drupal users.
Drupal is well received when the technology is presented by evangelists along with community collaboration best practices. The long tail of local group organizers provide an excellent opportunity to address new Drupal users. I have conducted interviews with Drupal association local group lead, Jacob Redding based in China. In the US I've interviewed Crystal Williams in LA, Dave Terry in Atlanta, Elvis McNeely at Purdue, Andrew Morton in Portland, Nathan Gasser in Philadelphia, and Moshe Weitzman in Boston. I also interviewed Gabor Hojsty in Hungary, and Roy Scholten in Europe. My interviews have revealed that local event organizers have consistent goals: improve organizational efficiency with social publishing, create business networks, identify services customers, work on translations, collaborate on industry solutions, and cultivate and recruit technical talent.
##Organizing toolkits and suggested event topics
My first recommendation is to edit and package existing Drupal event organizing content, combine it with videos, and redistribute to local group organizers. This can be done through the creation of a series of marketing products including: meet-up kits, Drupal camp kits, and conference exhibition booth kits. For example, the online event organizing website Meet-up has good online guides. These kits can be an excellent way to distribute marketing expertise widely in the Drupal community. We've put together an example of an event organizer kit. The distribution of professional marketing messaging, materials, and techniques such as local press releases can help improve the Drupal communities marketing capabilities.
Secondly, local event organizers are challenged by their perceived isolation and lack of resources. There is also a perception that no one will come to local meet-ups unless someone "Drupal famous" comes to the meeting. We can support local event organizers by providing tools to edit a steady stream of fresh content and refine it for local event organizers to present at local meetings. Furthermore, we can help train local organizers how to grow
their local communities by addressing adjacent communities such as PHP, MySQL, and designer communities.
##Recognize, empower, and reward organizers
Next, Drupal has a strong base of evangelists and solid organic growth. However, there is a glass ceiling within the Drupal community that we need to help local organizers break through. We can produce a local ambassadors page that promotes and recognizes local organizers. This recognition combined with increased authority and perhaps access to special content is a well known model for building loyalty and empowering organizers. In addition we could add profile fields for adjacent user groups, so we can identify members of adjacent groups and contact them directly to help make connections between communities. In order to facilitate connecting local organizers with adjacent groups we need to research and notify local organizers about adjacent groups and suggest presentation topics and cross attendance between community meetings.
If local organizers and local leaders are identified openly on http://groups.drupal.org then it will be much easier for adjacent communities, like PHP, MySQL, designer communities to invite Drupalers to present at their events. If we give organizers resources for booth kits, Drupal user groups, and Drupal camps we can facilitate the growth of Drupal through local group growth.
##Add new users to the Drupal community
A key marketing goal for the Drupal community is to add new users to Drupal. We can accomplish this goal by leveraging local groups to reach out to new users in adjacent communities. We can facilitate this local evangelism by identifying local groups, helping to schedule Drupal presentations to these adjacent communities, and participating in social publishing bake-offs with competitive social publishing platforms. On Monday, Jacob Redding and myself will be presenting these ideas to Drupal local group organizers to get their feedback. If you are interested in evangelising Drupal in your local community, please join our first web seminar in the American time zone.
This is only one way of measuring local group activity. Finnish Drupal user group is running Drupal.fi instead of GDO. We use our own site for organizing events, discussions, blogging and all other stuff that could also be done at GDO. Our own site has currently about 200 members and more and more people are showing up to our events. I suppose quite a few local groups have their own sites instead of using GDO.
Have not been around since decembers - but it's nice to see things growing.
I enjoyed the meeting Monday evening (EST that is). I got some good ideas and motivation to keep trying to grow our Florida Drupal Group.
Joe Moraca
I'm excited to jump both feet into this. I run a Visual Basic tutorial website that uses Drupal for everything. I've also used Drupal to develop a brochure type site for a customer. I would like to start a group in Bozeman MT where I'm located. What do I need to do to handle press release stuff - that seems far beyond me. I'd love to hear your thoughts through email or comment back here.
p.s. If you want to see the site I run its this Visual Basic Source site. If its not good to add sites in comments here feel free to delete this - thats why I added it on the end of my post.
I am extremely new to this whole Drupal conversation but it is really nice to see someone of your stature and organizational skills holding the reigns on such an important part of the overall growth plan for Drupal. I look forward to finding and becoming involved in the local group if I can find one where I am. This should speed my progress considerable. Thanks
I have a suggestion for this site, and if it is here I appologize in advance. I had heard some good things about Drupal but I am still a little confused as to how a new user can go about understanding it abilities. My suggestion is to do a sort of comparison table and discourse about the differences between it and other options on the market right now. Just a noobie's thought so take it for what it's worth.


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Utah's 2015 legislative session began Monday with a tribute to former House Speaker Becky Lockhart and a new proposal for the state domestic animal.
Utah Supreme Court justice calls for criminal justice reform in State of Judiciary address
Katie McKellar |
posted Jan 26th - 7:51pm
During his State of the Judiciary speech Monday, Utah Supreme Court Chief Justice Matthew Durrant requested that legislators address three distinct issues of criminal justice reform, including the recommendation of a salary increase for judges.
Notable Utah legislation to watch for in 2015
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posted Jan 26th - 7:07pm
With the New Year comes a freshly elected congress and a new legislative agenda for Utah. The following are some of the major legislative items that will be debated and voted on throughout 2015.
Gov't to overhaul Medicare payments to doctors, hospitals
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Medicare will change the way it pays hospitals and doctors to reward quality over volume, the Obama administration said Monday, in a shift that officials hope will be a catalyst for the nation's $3 trillion health care system.
Conviction upheld over contributions to Sen. Harry Reid
The Associated Press |
posted Jan 26th - 1:12pm
A federal appeals court on Monday upheld the conviction of a former Nevada lobbyist accused of making illegal campaign contributions to Sen. Harry Reid's 2010 reelection campaign.
New Jersey's Christie launches political action committee
Jill Colvin, Associated Press |
posted Jan 26th - 12:31pm
New Jersey Gov. Chris Christie has taken his firmest step yet toward running for president, launching an organization that allows him to raise money for a potential 2016 campaign.
Koch event drawing 2016 hopefuls Rubio, Paul, Cruz, Walker
Philip Elliott, Associated Press |
posted Jan 25th - 12:00pm
Florida Sen. Marco Rubio is sending clear signs about an expected run for the presidency in 2016.
Sarah Palin and Donald Trump both interested in 2016 runs
Z. Byron Wolf and Ashley Killough, CNN |
posted Jan 25th - 11:58am
With a Clinton, a Bush and a Romney all seriously teasing presidential runs, why not a Palin?
Republican White House maybes court evangelicals toward 2016
Bill Barrow, Associated Press |
posted Jan 25th - 10:12am
Jeb Bush and Mitt Romney have gotten much of the attention in these early days of the Republican race for president, but as they court the party's elite donors in private phone calls and meetings, a group of likely candidates to their right are just as eagerly chasing support among Christian evangelicals and social conservatives.
Lee: GOP needs 'principled, positive and proven' presidential candidate
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posted Jan 24th - 9:57pm
Speaking at the Iowa Freedom Summit in Des Moines Saturday afternoon, Sen. Mike Lee, R-Utah challenged attendees to help nominate a presidential candidate who is "a principled, positive and proven" conservative.
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Seriously...Perez Hilton called him gay...since when does that bitch had any credibility?
Seriously...Perez Hilton called him gay...since when does that bitch had any credibility?
i found the pics here in another thread.
i have to agree, i might not like perez so much but usually when he says someone's gay is because he/she is.
At one point Bomer's name was being thrown around a lot for the possibility of playing Superman in what eventually became Superman Returns. Around the same time, rumors of him being gay also surfaced. Suddenly all the talk about him being in Superman just disappeared.
I always wondered if he was a serious contender, and if those rumors might have cost him the job.
He's incredibly beautiful.
My gaydar is on FIRE.
I immediately pinged when I saw the ads for this show. And of course I set my DVR for it.
That's awesome. Love it. (Need to watch the episode I DVR'd, very curious to see if this show is good, the previews looked great).
Now, I know how these pictures look--and at first glance, it appears that Mr. Bomer is, in fact, a homosexual.
However, until I hear it from the horse's mouth...it's all conjecture (hot, man-on-man conjecture).
A picture may be worth a thousand words--but I just need two.
What a Hot pash!
I just watched "White Collar" and found it entertaining. I thought Bomer was great. But whether or not he's gay is still up for conjecture in my mind, despite the pics posted above. A Google search reveals no official statement from the actor, only accusations by others. So like neoachilles, I'll be waiting for those two little words- "I'm gay."
whooooooahhh I had no clue....LOVE LOVE LOVE him...he was great as Bryce Larkin on "CHUCK"...and "White Collar" had a great premiere
Time to recast.
He is so totally gorge!
There are two kinds of people in this world. My kind of people, and assholes.
I watched Tru Calling (which I loved by the way....amazing show) and was totally attracted to Matt. He is incredibly hot. If you guys want to see a really cool show you should rent Tru Calling. Just finished watching the whole first season from Netflix. The show is awesome and Matt is in a good number of the episodes......unfortunately, never shirtless. Never picked up the gay vibe from him though and was shocked to see that he is gay.
Oh wow! Makes you wonder what fun things he did behind the scenes at Guiding Light back when he was on. There were so many gay guys on the soap at the time he was on!
He looks like the love child of Sean Maher from Firefly and Henry Cavill from The Tudors. It's definitely not a bad thing.
I'm glad I decided to catch the White Collar premiere.
Whatever happened to that white dog poop from the '70s?
Really enjoyed his work on Traveller and Chuck.
Canada gets the (free) pilot at 9 pm on Bravo tonight. We will be watching.
I love this guy too! I first saw him on Chuck as Bryce Larkin and fell in love with him. He has such beautiful eyes a la Matt Dallas. I couldn't tell he was gay though in Chuck and when I watched the first episode of White Collar. It's nice to know an actor can be openly gay, if he really is, and still get a lead role in a series. I look forward to seeing him regularly in White Collar.
Does anyone else think it intersting that for an "openly gay" celebrity all we have is a photo of him kissing a guy (just like Dominic Monaghan and Elijah Wood) and the word of a gossip columnist?
Does anyone have anything more substantial like blog posts, interviews, or anything semi-credible?
^ The answer would be "NO". Some people have taken the word of the almighty Perez hilton and ran with it.
I cant stand Perez but when it comes to who is and who isnt he has had a pretty good track record.
Like many gay actors Mr. Bomer may have been out in his personal life but not in public. He wouldn't be the first person in the entertainment industry to live in the glass closet.
Well he isn't getting out of a pool, but he is in a speedo
It's Nov. 1st 10AM Central time and the USA Network is showing a rerun of "White Collar" right now.
afterelton.com reports that his publicist responded "No Comment" when asked if he was openly gay. They were seeking an interview with him for their site.
So, while there have been many rumors about him the past few years, he is not "openly" gay, as his people are not willing to discuss it.
As one site member commented--how many straight actors/celebrities respond with "no comment" to that question?
I'm sure he's holding out for a little more fam so he can sale his sotry to some gossip pag/web site.
He's super hot! Maybe hot enough I'll starting watching shows on USA.
Thanks for the briefs pics "masgrande"
^ That's sad. Perez Hilton really needs to stop with the dishonesty. Why does he out people who don't want to talk about it? Just to make them feel bad? It's none of our business anyway. Was it really so difficult to find out if he's "openly gay" or not? That's low.
Also low: I've seen many posts about this on other sites and ugh @ the comments bashing straight women for this situation because "if he came out they'd all stop lusting after him and the show would fail."
Anyway, I think those private photos of him kissing some dude are being taken down all over the place so it seems kind of weird to still see them up on JUB.
Whether he is gay or not, could I ask all Just us Boys members? Can you stop using jerk Hilton as a source for your threads? That idiot hates most of the gorgeous men we love and will do anything to destroy a male celebrity's life, he should see how pathetic he is and I am glad that someone made a thread for lovely and cute Matt, but we need to stop this whole Hilton sources for threads, please!!! Gay or not it is Matt's life and not ours, or Hilton's one.
The topic title should be changed to "Matt Bomer openly gay according to Perez Hilton"
[QUOTE=Raven03;5533859]I cant stand Perez but when it comes to who is and who isnt he has had a pretty good track record.[QUOTE]
How many of us would like to be outed to all of our friends and family by some third party person? True or not I think it's the worst thing a gay man can do to another.
So let's stop supporting Perez and maybe he'll stop.
I totally agree. I was highly pissed when they cancelled. I enjoyed that show probably as much as any show I've ever watched. Found it on Netflix this year and rewatched the whole first season. Am now watching the final 2 episodes of Season 2. Really don't understand why the show didn't perform better. I really really liked it. Recently, I had 2 friends over and they had never seen it. I showed them the first 3 episodes and they both loved it and are currently renting the discs to watch the series.
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Matt was on the cover of this book, apparently a quintessential Gay Young Adult Novel...here's the description from AfterElton's Top 50 Best Gay Books List:
10. Rainbow Boys by Alex Sanchez
Three boys, three very different ways to be a gay or bi teen. When Sanchez's gay teen novel was published in 2001, the conventional wisdom was that such a book would never sell. But once again, the conventional wisdom was completely wrong: Rainbow Boys went on to become a surprise bestseller and heralded the start of the new genre of gay teen lit, currently one of the most rich and vibrant in all of publishing. Sanchez's freshman effort led to two sequels (including Rainbow High, further down on this list) and a growing list of other well received, gay-themed teen and middle grade novels.
According to AfterElton, Matt Bomer has never openly acknowledged what his sexuality is one way or another - not in any interviews anyway. Therefore, declaring him openly gay is questionable.
He's a good actor, and I like White Collar. Good show. I couldn't care less about his sexual orientation or personal life. If he is gay, it doesn't make me feel validated or any more closer to him personally.
Its interesting that he is gay, its even more interesting that with a few extra pounds and in a speedo I would turn my nose up at him. I have to admit that when I saw him in White Collar my gaydar did not go off, perhaps because he's a horndog in the show. But in these pics of him off the show he looks totally like a queen. I'm talking fem. Nothing wrong with that; I am only saying I was fooled.
As for Perez Hilton and his outings, I am not in favor of it unless the person is out there condemning gays or gay marriage. But its also important to be consistent. You can't condemn Hilton and also push for the end of Don't Ask Don't Tell like that closeted hypocrit Anderson Cooper. DADT is ultimately about being "out" at work so its completely inconsistent to argue that soldiers should be out but newscasters and actors and whomever else should be closeted. This particular actor is not out there like Anderson Cooper using his position to push a personal agenda so he (Matt) should be free to be closeted or not as he chooses.
Would not have expected that but he is hot
Just to lighten up this thread....have you guys noticed, in the last couple of episodes, how his trousers fall on his butt... that he has one great ass? Great tailor!
He's Classic Hollywood - like the 40's guys.
not wanting to talk about it is tantamount to saying it's wrong/you are ashamed of it- kids are being beaten to death, people don't have rights to visit partners in the hospital, soldiers face a witch hunt and prosecution, but- yeah, you're right- let's not talk about it- what a pussy!
Damn, I had NO clue he was gay... Hes cute but god damn he is WAY too skinny... the FBI guy however...


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