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I agree with both sides, because though Tesla X pricing doesn't make economic sense, it's only because petroleum gas is greatly under-priced.
I know that global impact of CO2 emissions is negligible on geologic scale, however when we look to all known planets, suitable atmospheres for supporting our life forms are extremely rare. Earth itself has supported human life for a relatively short time.
Climactic scientific research has developed only several human generations.
Let's say we make a fabulous flea market find; buying a a personally useful and highly attractive yet bargain priced antique. It may be a worthless knockoff, or worth a fortune, but wouldn't you treat it with care, even before having it appraised?
Common and economic sense says don't spew poison into your breathing supply. Without studying the process by which CO2 dissipates, interacts, and is consumed, I think it unwise to assume it costs what it takes to pump petroleum out of the ground and then distribute it.
For me, it's as simple as the horrific odor of exhaust. The cost of disgust, shame and guilt at spewing that nastiness while traveling long distances with my large family, may be eliminated by driving the only vehicle that can do so emission-free. Tesla X!
your thinking isn't bad, but will improve when you distinguish "poison" from CO2. Did you know...in higher CO2 concentrations, plants' leaves need fewer stomata to take in all they need? This then means they lose and take in less water -- so not only do they become more productive (grow bigger and faster), their water use is far more efficient, and they become drought-tolerant.
Ultimately, everything you eat was built up out of CO2 and water. It's good stuff. Far, far from being a poison.
@Sam F.
No oil/filter changes, no transmission flushes, no tune-ups, no exhaust system maintenance, no radiator flushes, no gasoline.
So, add this to your mathematical calculations and factor in that we won't be killing as many people or animals to get oil and could me making the fresh air and water last a little longer.
And, you can park your Model S in your living room, just like Batman.
...could "be" making...
CleOlivia and alcassfast - You both make great points. Thanks for contributing.
I wonder if SamFisher will return to enlighten us with his brilliant math skills and comprehensive understanding of Tesla's business plan some more. Probably too busy installing an 80 mile battery and electric motor in a Chevy S10.
Brian H - I'm sure there are others. Probably quite a few that are already (or soon to be) driving their S's!
You are correct, it is always better to keep what you know works then count on a pie in the sky. Common sense makes sense.
Just watched science channel show about dinosaurs. On there they showed a test done by the japan scientists on plants in our atmosphere and plants in higher CO2 atmosphere. The plants grew bigger but were all yellow and brown, had less then half the nutrition of the plants grown in our atmosphere, there was no mention of water intake reduction. CO2 is a big blanket and will suffocate our planet.
I hear things all the time like, "I don't think we (people) make as big of a impact on earth as we think we do." What does that mean? I can't think of one thing on earth we don't impact, most of it negative.
If doing the correct is obvious, why do the opposite? Money against your grand kids life.
A couple of old sayings come to mind. Garbage in garbage out. Figures don't lie but liars figure.
As a person that bikes forth and back to work every day, I look forward to a future where the ICE cars are replaced by hybrids and EV's. The EV technology should in fact be so heavily subsidized in the years to come, that all of today's obstacles with the technology is minimized (battery weight, charging etc.), so that the price of the car is on equal terms to an ICE car.
Unfortunately, there are only a few countries in the world where a heavy subsidy is possible (Norway, Denmark).
There's no doubt about it, the Model X is a very cool car and has something for all sides, whether you are really that concerned about the CO2 or not.
Cle - I agree with the general pollution control. I don't buy that we'll have as much impact on climate as many do ... you are right about just the general avoidance of all the other smog and pollution. Definitely a worthwhile pursuit.
Speaking of pollution - what about noise pollution! One of my favorite things about the hybrid is how quiet it is in EV mode.
goneskiian - it's going to take me awhile to convince the wife too ... no deposit for me yet ... but I'll keep trying :)
I think a lot of people will buy the Tesla brand for the absolute cool factor. Have you seen the vehicle? It is awesome. The fact that it is all electric just makes it so much better.
I have absolutely no concern about the Co2 levels in the atmosphere, the oceans will take care of that...climate change has been going on for as long as the earth has existed...IMHO: puny little humans cannot effect it in any appreciable degree...
But, that being said, I love the idea of an AWD vehicle that can go over 50 miles on a charge. Where I live I MUST have AWD minimum, true 4X4 would be better. Other wise I can go nowhere in the winter. I already have a Polaris EV, and love not having to worry about gas. Just plug it back in and it is ready to go next day.
I presently have an Audi A6 Quattro, and it appears that the Tesla X will be about that size. Perfect for me. We live 20 miles from a small town, and 40 miles from a place big enough that it has a Wal-Mart or Home Depot, so 100+ mile range is imperative. We live 250 miles from our children, so that is even better. The number of miles we drive is generally limited except our weekly trips to town, and occasional trips to visit the kids and to go to church with our old congregation where the kids still live.
So, how to justify the price? you do not look at the total cost of the vehicle minus the cost of operation. You look at the investment cost of ownership, plus depreciation, plus the battery cost (I plan on this being my last car purchase...I'm retired) less the cost of the savings in gas or Diesel. (if Audi would only bring the A8 over with the 4.3L diesel... oh my)
This is assuming the fit and finish will be in the same class as the Audi A8...
All purchases are made with funds that Could be earning; or through Debt, that has a direct cost. If your investments earn you 5% on average, your $80,000(est)investment will cost you $4000 a year in earnings not received, or in something else you can no longer use those funds for. If your investments earn 10%, then that opportunity cost would be $8,000 a year. If you have to borrow the funds, the cost of the debt is the opportunity cost of the funds used to pay that debt and interest.... all, plus depreciation.
The savings will be with the difference between the cost of the batteries verse the cost of the fuel that was not consumed. It would appear, if you are a high mileage driver your savings would be much better than if you are a low mileage driver like I am these days. Back when I was driving 50k miles a year or more, the Tesla would have made me money.
Compare those numbers to the same analysis of an acceptable alternative, then you will see what the cost of the Tesla will actually be.
It's just hard to estimate the value of living guilt-free. Driving EVs you no long feel guilty about getting poor kids from the Midwest killed while trying to kill the poor bastards in the Mideast; or feel guilty about feeding the corporation beasts who are corrupting the American politics and democracy; or feel guilty about contributing to warming up an already over-heated planet, which in turn has been driving countless species to extinction, has caused ever more catastrophic natural disasters, about to release huge amount of methane from sea bed and perma frostfrost, and will raise up sea level to wipe out island nations and coastal cities.
With the current EV adoption rate, these things can't be stopped. But at least we no longer contribute to the problems. Years later, when confronted by your grandchildren or ready for the Judgment Day, at least you can say I tried and did my part.
So give me your number. How much value that could count for?
$0. They're all ideological delusions.
To Brian H:
Obviously you are one of those people who never went to school. If you ever did, you should know that when you have the word "all" in a statement, that statement is most probably wrong. This is one of the tricks to deal with multiple selection questions on tests.
I was amazed by your spelling though. Spelling check must be working well.
When you give out a short statement like that, it's lazy people's way of saying: "I don't agree with you. But I don't know why."
Trust me. He does know why. Go read the "Man made. We're screwed thread" if you want to see a full explanation.
2 threads here make no sense at all--it is very simple to me:
a. Why would someone spend so much on a Tesla X when they could buy a Dodge Journey for so much less?
Well, why do people buy ANY vehicle for more than the Journey if it has comparable size, work caoability, etc.? Not everyone buys vehicles -or anything else for that matetr- for the same reasons as you do. Is it OK for someone to have other car-buying criteria than you? Why would someone buy a house overlooking the beach when it costs so much? Why would I buy fresh salmon when there is cheaper food with good nutritional value? If someone has 100k to spend on a car, they can choose between any number of vehicles and they may choose a Tesla. Good for them, they like it better. So what? If the Tesla is not yet for you based on how you choose your vehicles, buy something else. But it is a self-centered non-sequitor to impose your car-selection criteria onto everyone else.
b. Are gas engines more harmful than the Tesla? Well, you can do all the calculations you want to about car emissions and cow farts, but there is no way you will ever, ever take into account all elements at work in maintaining the Earth's ability to sustain life as it has for our known history. We know what we know and we don't know what we don't. Ice caps are melting, all heck has broken loose in other ways, and people will not all agree on the causes. You have your science and I have mine, and they become more like defending religions than honest dialog. I am pretty sure of this: have a picnick and fire up a Journey and a Tesla so the exhaust blows toward the gathering. Then give people there the option to have one car leave and one stay. Better yet, park the Tesla or the Journey in a garage, close all the doors, turn on the car and sit there for a few hours. Then the Tesla owners and the Journey owners can meet for a beer and discuss the experience.
Well said westmich.
+1 Very well said Westmich!
Re: "puny little humans cannot effect it in any appreciable degree..."
If you don't think humans can affect the environment in any appreciable way, try looking up information on the Aral Sea.
Re: "everything you eat was built up out of CO2 and water. It's good stuff. Far, far from being a poison."
As with most things, it's only okay in moderation. If you look up information on health concerns for CO2 gas concentrations, you will find that high levels of CO2 is hazardous for humans regardless of O2 levels. Negative side effects begin around 10K ppm with death possible around 100K ppm. Of course, global warming isn't about direct health affects, but overall environmental affects. At what point does excess CO2 become detrimental. Or perhaps more poignant, at what point does the effects of excess CO2 become more problematic than the challenges of trying to control it's levels? The point being, it's not an argument about whether or not too much CO2 is bad; it's an argument about how much is too much. While 400 ppm is a long ways from 100K ppm, clearly there is a tipping point somewhere, because at 100K ppm we would all go unconcious and die.
Re: "My WAG is that about 25-30% of those buying it never contemplated buying a car in this price range before, and about half of those are squeezing their budgets hard to handle it, in ways they would never dream of doing for ICE cars."
Back closer to on topic, I believe this little nugget from Brian H is right on the money. It describes my wife and I perfectly. We have never contemplated buying a car in this price range before (it's about 2x the cost of what we have ever considered before), but we are now, and we are squeezing our budget for it.
Except the ice caps are not melting. Antarctica is icier than ever, and current northern sea ice is higher than the last 6 years. Meanwhile, spoiled brats everywhere are dissing the source of their own easy lifestyles.
Three things:
Somebody REALLY loves his Dodge Journey R/T. I wonder how that would change if the exhaust came out the center of his steering wheel.
My Model X will cost slightly more than all the cars I have ever owned COMBINED. Looking forward to it.
If gasoline was FREE, I would buy a Tesla.
Okay, Antarctica is icier than ever, but its "expansion" is not proportional to the Arctic's decrease. The fact that the Arctic is losing its ice while Antarctica is gaining ice is due to the fact that an increase in temperatures affects the northern hemisphere much more than the same increase does to the southern hemisphere as high(er) temperatures are normal down there.
Quite a few people have asked how I could spend as much on a car as my Model X will likely cost. My reply is that if I combine the cost of my current vehicle plus gas, and repairs, the cost of the Model X is not much more (Than what I have spent on my F150 FX4) Maintenance is a little more, but the I currently spend about the same per month on fuel as I would be spending on annual service.
Are you saying you spend $600/month on fuel in the F150 or $50?
Sea ice is floating, by definition, and has no effect on sea level.
Who ever mentioned sea levels?
To SamFisher (March 10, 2013)...I'm trading in my Honda Fit for a Tesla Model S. By my calculations, with very conservative estimates, the total cost of ownership for my new Model S will be less than that of the alternative of continuing to make car payments on my 2010 Fit and exchanging it for another ICE car after the cost of repairs gets too high.
Any way I slice and dice the numbers (with the exception of assuming that electricity prices will increase while the cost of gasoline at the pump will decrease over time), my soon-to-be new Model S comes out ahead, financially speaking, compared to any other reasonable alternative (including keeping my little Honda Fit).
Sounds interesting. Have you looked at and commented at teslarumors.com/teslanomics? Similar conclusions. "Can you afford NOT to buy a Tesla?"
Hey SamFisher,
Here are some thoughts. When figuring ROI on an electric vehicle it's all about the variables. The key one being how much do you drive a year. You used 12K. I personally drive 40K. Your equation doesn't work - mine does.
The days when the price of gas goes down substantially are over. Yes yes yes, new resources are being discovered but they are always more expensive to recover and with emerging countries like China, demand will outstrip any growth in supply.
I think the issue of battery replacement is silly. First of all, when you go to buy a Suburban nobody says "well ya know, in ten years you're gonna have at replace that transmission and its gonna cost ya 4-6 grand." Batteries will last that long and the only thing we know for sure is that they will cost far less to replace in ten years than they would today.
The primary keys to electric vehicles taking off are 1. Driving down the initial cost. 2. Having the refueling infrastructure in place. 3. Range 4. It needs to work in larger vehicles - SUV's.
Great strides are being made in all of these areas and big oil is and will continue to fight progress every step of the way.
BTW, it should be mentioned that Consumer Reports reviewed the S model and found it to be the best vehicle they've ever reviewed! EVER! In any category!!
I love it that you are all still responding to Mr. SamFisher. Hopefully he's still lurking.
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The short answer is yes. There is financial aid available for the summer session. The longer answer is that everyone's financial aid is different, and some types of aid may not be available over the summer, or may require that you complete additional forms. In addition, getting financial aid over the summer may result in a reduction of the amount you receive in Fall and Spring. For specific information about your financial aid options, stop by the OASIS in 217 North for a referral to a financial aid counselor. Hope that helps!
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There are only a few on here I haven't seen. The most surprising title, though, is Steve McQueen's "The Hunter," which is widely regarded as a truly awful film. The inclusion of Rod Steiger's "No Way to Treat a Lady," "Ramblin' Rose," "Runaway Train," "Scarecrow," "The Chase," "French Connection 2," "Lonelyhearts," and One-Eyed Jacks" are all unexpected but excellent choices. Those of you looking to educate yourself on the magic of motion pictures could do a lot worse (like any AFI Top 100 list) than this. --NBC REIMAGINING "PRIME SUSPECT"-- Great, just great. The original British series of television films starring the magnificent Helen Mirren are truly something special. For starters, she's absolutely superb in the lead role and the mysteries (at least in the first four films) are genuinely intriguing and intelligent. And while the stories did make an issue out of the sexism the protagonist faced, she was also a deeply flawed and deceptively ambitious character which helped to take the edge and "preach" off the crusading aspects of the story. This American reimagining is not only going to be a regular series but it looks as though "sexism" is going to remain a major theme. We live in a world where women are the stars and co-stars of a dozen or so television police procedurals. Are we really supposed to buy into the anachronism that sexism is still a major issue in the world of American law enforcement? Furthermore, the original series held on to its quality because only seven films were produced between 1991 and 2006. How are the creative demands of a 20+ episode season going to compete with that? --JEAN HARLOW GETS SOME RESPECT-- The weekend before we moved out of Los Angeles and back to America, we visited The Hollywood Museum on Hollywood and Highland in the old Max Factor building. Cannot recommend it more, and one of the highlights is a wing dedicated to Jean Harlow. Costumes, scripts, props and her famous 1932 Packard are all on display, but what's most gratifying is that the wing exists at all. Harlow was a phenomenal screen presence, every bit as charismatic as Marilyn Monroe but with sharper edges, a youthful vitality that captured an age, and a radiating intelligence. For whatever reason, Harlow doesn't get the respect her extraordinary talents deserve, but hopefully that's going to change soon. UCLA will host a retrospective of her all-too brief (she died at 26), but still impressive career. There was really no one else like her and discovering or rediscovering her work is a true cinematic pleasure. ----- ------ LAST NIGHT'S SCREENING Because I find myself endlessly fascinating, this new feature will be all about me; where I talk about whatever it is I watched the day before -- if anything. There are only two reasons why this feature may not appear from time to time. 1). A home renovation has crippled my precious TV time. 2). I watch something I'm too embarrassed to mention, like Judy Garland's "A Star is Born" for the 190th time or "Reindeer Games" -- which rules, haters. Client 9: The Rise and Fall of Eliot Spitzer (2010): Though thirty minutes too long, you can't go wrong with a story like this. Before he delighted me by embarrassing Kathleen Parker on a daily basis on the now-cancelled CNN show "Parker/Spitzer," Eliot Spitzer was on the fast-track to becoming the President of the United States. After seven years as New York's hard-charging Attorney General and a year as that state's governor, Spitzer was on top of the political world when he was forced to resign after it was discovered the married Governor had regularly (and illegally) purchased the services of high-end prostitutes. The most surprising part of the documentary is that Spitzer participates on-camera. He's the film's narrator, taking us through his days as Attorney General where he became New York's golden boy crusading against Wall Street, straight through to his infamous resignation. Obviously the story is an absorbing one. Spitzer is a fascinating character who, like many powerful and famous people, has that perfect (and sometimes fatal) mix of self awareness and self-deception. This is on glaring display even as he recalls his fall. In his eyes, he's a tragic Greek character like Icarus, as opposed to the weak, sleazy scumbag who broke the law and betrayed a loving family. The very same narcissism that got him into this mess is still at work attempting to explain it. We're all weak, we all make mistakes, but in order to avoid them in the future you have to be honest with yourself. Unfortunately, Spitzer comes off as someone who believes his greatness made his fall inevitable. To his credit, writer/director Alex Gibney (mostly) tells his story in a fairly straight-forward manner. Believe me, I'm no fan of those bailed-out losers on Wall Street, but as Spitzer became a rock 'n' roll AG he apparently overreached in his authority and those he targeted are given a chance to tell their side of the story. Gibney also tells a political story as opposed to a sex-scandal story, which makes the film better but fails the test of intellectual honesty. From Gibney's point of view, Spitzer was singled out by Republicans for partisan reasons and possibly to protect the powerful on Wall Street. Whatever the truth is, when you're the Governor of a state and participating in illegal activity, you open yourself up to blackmail. In the political world especially, sex scandals are not distractions or "just about sex." They matter. No one's saying Spitzer doesn't deserve a second chance, but he compromised his office in unimaginable ways and losing that office was a just punishment. ------- ------- LAST NIGHT'S DREAM Because I find myself endlessly fascinating, this new feature will also be all about me; where I describe whatever dream I had the night bef-- Joke! ----- ----- TODAY'S QUICK HITS TRYING TO CARE. FAILING. NOT EVEN TRYING. ANOTHER "FRIDAY NIGHT LIGHTS" FILM IN THE WORKS IS THERE REALLY A LINDA LOVELACE BIOPIC? OR IS IT THE CREATION OF PUBLICITY AGENTS LOOKING TO GET THEIR CLIENTS IN THE NEWS? FINAL "POTTER" (WE HOPE), IS THE HIGHEST GROSSING "POTTER" PACINO'S "SCARFACE" RETURNS TO THEATRES! ON A RELATED NOTE: MY BIRTHDAY IS A MERE 7 MONTHS AWAY... WHEN DID SOMEONE 'NOT' MAKING A MOVIE BECOME NEWS? ----- ----- CLASSIC PICK FOR WEDNESDAY AUGUST 3, 2011 TCM: 2:15PM EST: Juarez (1939) -- True story of Mexico's Abraham Lincoln and his fight against Napoleon's empire. Dir: William Dieterle Cast: Bette Davis, Paul Muni, Brian Aherne. BW-121 mins, TV-G, CC. In his day, The Mighty Paul Mini was king of the biopics and here's a chance to see why in this flawed but still compelling political drama complete with Bette Davis. You'll find that I never pass up an opportunity to introduce Muni to as many readers as possible. He was one of those all-too rare actors who could pull off BIG acting -- a talent that is all but extinct today. Everything this Academy Award winner did is worth watching and you'll be surprised at how many undiscovered gems you come across in the process. ----- ------ Please send tips/suggestions/requests to firstname.lastname@example.com


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I tried so many times to take an image of this indoors, but just couldn't get it right, so out into the garden we went & I stood it on the small garden wall with the lawn as a background......this is the result, of which I am quite proud.
Just look at those waving arms !!!!!
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A very classy floral image Hilary, your lawn makes the perfect background
Heehee...I LOVE the "just look at those waving arms!"...SO right
Hilary, this is one sublime capture. Especially with that natural and so smooth background.
I know what you mean about indoor struggles. Sometimes I'll bring a flower in simply because it's breezy outside and I wanna get some depth using a slowish shutter speed. But I more often than not can't get the light right.
And then it's back outside and ahhh, the natural light sorts it out so well
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During the 2002 World Cup held jointly in Japan and Korea soccer... ニュース写真 157990264National,あふれる,サッカー,ヒューマンインタレスト,ファン,ワールドカップ,日本,朝鮮半島,東京都,横長,祝いごと,通り,選手権,都市Photographer Kristen ElsbyCollection: Moment � 2002 Kristen ElsbyDuring the 2002 World Cup held jointly in Japan and Korea, soccer mania overcame Japan and transformed it into a nation of jubilant fans overflowing the streets. Roppongi was at the heart of the nightly celebrations in Tokyo. The police force were also out in record numbers to ensure that the festivities didn't get out of hand.


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Last week, Flavorwire had a good laugh at the recently uncovered notes from the producers of Blade Runner, who seemed united in their hatred for the "deadly dull" sci-fi noir that would prove one of the most influential movies of the '80s. But it's important to remember that some of those casually involved in the production actually liked it quite a bit—particularly Philip K. Dick, whose book Do Androids Dream of Electric Sheep? was the basis of Ridley Scott's film. And while there's a long (and enjoyable) history of authors loathing what Hollywood does to their books, there are a few examples of writers who are utterly delighted with their page-to-film adaptations.
Philip K. Dick, Blade Runner
In a lovely letter written to the Ladd Company shortly before he died (and before Blade Runner hit theaters), author Dick expressed his enthusiasm for what he had seen of the film, and boldly predicted its response. "The impact of BLADE RUNNER is simply going to be overwhelming, both on the public and on creative people," Dick wrote, "and, I believe, on science fiction as a field... Nothing that we have done, individually or collectively, matches BLADE RUNNER. This is not escapism; it is super realism, so gritty and detailed and authentic and goddam convincing that, well, after the segment I found my normal present-day 'reality' pallid by comparison. What I am saying is that all of you collectively may have created a unique new form of graphic, artistic expression, never before seen. And, I think, BLADE RUNNER is going to revolutionize our conceptions of what science fiction is and, more, can be." In conclusion, he tells producer Jeff Walker, "My life and creative work are justified and completed by BLADE RUNNER." Not exactly faint praise, that.
Elmore Leonard, Jackie Brown
Quentin Tarantino took a few liberties with Elmore Leonard's book Rum Punch, changing the race and last name of its leading character to accommodate Pam Grier and the title to reflect her importance. But Leonard was still thrilled with Tarantino's film, which he says is his favorite dramatization of one of his books. "I've had some good ones," he said of his film adaptations. "Get Shorty and Out of Sight, and the one Tarantino did, Jackie Brown, those are good movies. And Tarantino's especially stayed close to the book. I was surprised that he stayed closer than anyone. And there have been other adaptations that have varied widely for the worse. That's the way it is with making movies. Most of them are not that good, so you kind of expect that. Hopefully it won't happen with yours."
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Okay so I am having a hard time deciding on whether or not to get a 3DS. I recently had the chance to try one and I was pretty impressed with the 3D effect...it was quite different from what I expected.
I currently own a DSi, and it has served me well so I'm in no hurry to get rid of it, but the idea that I can do anything on the 3DS that I can on the DSi plus the newer games kinda appeals to me.
What bothers me is the high price and the reported low bettery life in comparison to older models..
Anyone else switched from an older DS? Have you regretted it?
Any chance they will release some type of improved battery anytime soon or will it remain unchanged for at least year or more? (at least in your opinion)
I know the discussion of a price drop is out there, but due to Nintendo's history, I'm going to assume there won't be one anytime soon. Thoughts on this?
For the record there are a few games that are currently out that I'm interested in so the question of available games isn't as much of an issue. This is more about the hardware itself.
Might as well get it now if you want it. Nintendo will not release a new battery, they will just make a larger revision in about 2 years which can house a larger battery, which will improve the battery life. It is not as if getting a better battery cheaply is easy. Look at the Vita, the battery life is not that bad for what you can get. Also 4-5 hours is plenty of time to play and then charge.
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mmm Now and Later's are tasty...till your teeth break.
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buy one now.. and wait 6 months... to play it later.
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I would really only get it if there was a game I wanted.
The only thing is that I had no choice to get one. My DS screen broke. after 5 years of loyalty... :_(
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Anyone else switched from an older DS? Have you regretted it?
Any chance they will release some type of improved battery anytime soon or will it remain unchanged for at least year or more? (at least in your opinion)
I know the discussion of a price drop is out there, but due to Nintendo's history, I'm going to assume there won't be one anytime soon. Thoughts on this?
1. Still have PSP and DSLite. Battery life isn't as big as a problem. I play a few hours a day and keep it on the charge cradle when not in use.
2. Personally, I don't think so. I wouldn't trust 3rd-party batteries either. Find a cheap battery powered USB charger if you really need etxra power. (I got one for about 700 yen)
3. No price drop this early after launch. I'd give it a year, two at max.
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I'd say wait a bit for the inevitable price drop that'll occur around the PSVita's launch. Plus, that'll be around the time when a lot of good titles will be out or will be coming out.
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When the Vita comes out, Nintendo drops price to make up for inferior technology, and there are more then 5 games worth playing.
That being said TC, I moved from my XL to my 3DS and while I don't regret it, I'm certainly not happy about it. At the current price point, not way is it worth 250 with the hardware it has. If you can pick one up for 175-200 on ebay/craigslist, then I say go for it, and sell the DSi for like 75-80 bucks for a grand total spending of about 125 bucks or less. But 250 + like 20 in tax, not worth it at all in my opinion.
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Answer #1bradsauto123 August 08, 2011, 15:29Rookie
punch in year and make and engine sizes into your computor and you will find it. COME ON. brad
Answer #2Cliff's Car-Tech (44 Answers) , Houston, TX - (281) 845-2492Teri Smith August 09, 2011, 08:31Technician
these are torque to yield. 40ft lbs plus 90 degrees. bigger question is WHY are you replacing rod bearings? if bad then your crank is also bad. new bearings may last no longer than 10-20 seconds, depending where you bought them may well lock engine.
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who ever wrote that statement is completely correct, why are you changing rod bearings unless you are rebuilding engine. brad
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The Vernon Gholston thread
Re: The Vernon Gholston thread
posted at 11/20/2010 1:07 PM ESTHEY! you spelled my name right this time good for you, and don't you know betting is illegal....I should rat you out like NYC punk....that's redundant isn't it.
Re: The Vernon Gholston thread
posted at 11/20/2010 1:24 PM ESTget help or get educated. I hope you can do better than you are doing here.
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posted at 11/20/2010 2:40 PM ESTIn Response to Re: The Vernon Gholston thread:Do you have anyone still on your team from the 2008 draft besides mayo? He aint all world either... Usually takes 3-4 years to evaluate a draft so I went ahead and posted your draft from 3-5 years ago. You can rate your draft master yourself. 2008 1.10 LB Jerod Mayo Tennessee from NO 2.31 DB Terrence Wheatley Colorado 3.15 LB Shawn Crable Michigan from NO 3.31 QB Kevin O'Connell San Diego State 4.30 DB Jonathan Wilhite Auburn 5.18 WR Matt Slater UCLA from TB 6.31 LB Bo Ruud Nebraska 2007 1.24 DB Brandon Meriweather Miami from SEA 4.28 DL Kareem Brown Miami 5.34 OL Clint Oldenburg Colorado State compensatory pick 6.06 LB Justin Rogers Southern Methodist from ARI 6.28 DB Mike Richardson Notre Dame 6.34 RB Justise Hairston Central Connecticut compensatory pick 6.35 OL Corey Hilliard Oklahoma State compensatory pick 7.01 LB Oscar Lua Southern California from OAK 7.37 OL Mike Elgin Iowa compensatory pick 2006 1.21 RB Laurence Maroney Minnesota 2.04 WR Chad Jackson Florida from GB; trade 2006 2.20, 3.11 3.22 TE David Thomas Texas 4.09 TE Garrett Mills Tulsa from DET 4.21 K Stephen Gostkowski Memphis 5.03 OL Ryan O'Callaghan California from OAK 6.22 DL Jeremy Mincey Florida 6.36 OL Dan Stevenson Notre Dame compensatory pick 6.37 DL Le Kevin Smith Nebraska compensatory pick 7.21 DB Willie Andrews Baylor
Posted by WeDerrWEDAT
Let's see if we can explain this so a Jets fan can understand.
2006 - Patriots have Super Bowl caliber, veteran roster with few open roster spots. Five of the top six picks are still in the league (I don't think Jackson is on a roster at this moment) as well as Smith with Maroney, Thomas, Gostkowski and O'Callaghan all contributing for the Pats at some point. Only "bust" would be Jackson. Grade - B
2007 - Again, veteran roster with few, if any, open roster spots. 1st round pick makes team and plays at a near pro-bowl level. Remainder of picks are late 4th round and later with little chance of making Super Bowl caliber roster. Oh, and we trade picks for Welker and Moss. Grade - A
2008 - Veteran, Super Bowl quality roster - 1st pick DROY, little if any room on bottom of roster for remaining picks though 4 of 6 are still in league in some fashion (I've lost track of O'Connell). Late 2nd round pick and third round picks show flashes but were slowed by injuries. The Pats could have made a better 2nd pick (can argue Wheatly was a stretch but he was probably the best CB left on the board) - Grade B
In summary, while the draft is a crap shoot, from 2006-2008, the Pats made one "bad" pick (Jackson), one questionable pick (Wheatly) and possibly a second questionable pick (O'Connell). I can't fault the lack of lower round picks making the team as the Pats were loaded during this time. I'm sure the Jets would like to have the Pats level of success.
Re: The Vernon Gholston thread
posted at 11/20/2010 2:51 PM ESTIn Response to Re: The Vernon Gholston thread:In Response to Re: The Vernon Gholston thread : Looks like you are the stupid one. I posted 3 fail drafts, not 2. What draft genius goes 3 straight fail drafts.
Posted by WeDerrWEDAT
I wouldnt call the 2007 draft a failure when you factor in Randy Moss and Wes Welker.
Re: The Vernon Gholston thread
posted at 11/20/2010 3:52 PM ESTIn Response to Re: The Vernon Gholston thread:In Response to Re: The Vernon Gholston thread : Bwa ha ha ha ha. You are such an idiot. WHy are you so concerned that the Jets traded up from #35 to #30 to draft Keller? I've explained this to you before. They didn't lose any picks to do it. It was like a free leap. Much like moving up for Sanchez when they gave up 3 role players that meant little to the Jets, but a lot to Mangini rebuilding the Browns so they could spank the patsies. Yep, more of the run game BS. You are a complete tool. 50% run, 50 % pass. Is that what is saving Sanchez? Or is it his ability to win games late? He's 7-2 in year 2 and made the AFC championship in his rookie year. That is all you need to know. QBs are judged by their W-L. You may be forgetting a few players not named Revis or Harris. You may recall that the great Oline they have has the best center in football on it and a top 3 tackle. Although you love to say Brick was only good last year because of Faneca, looks like he'll be in another probowl this year, hey where's Faneca
Posted by PhatRex
I am not concerned. I am making fun of it and YOU. You really this off upstairs, are ya?
It appears so.
They traded up 5 slots, tossed another draft pick away for a guy they could have gotten at 35.
You just can't make it up. Only the Jets would do that.
I can just see Tannenrube and Manboobs convincing themselves they had to have Keller in the draft room, each convincing each other they know what they are doing. lol
It's not like Keller is the next Gonzalez or Gates here.
This is where you start to look like an absolute idiot. I just explained what NE didwhen addressing the TE position to show the difference in logic and context.
Considering how hard it is to put together back to back seasons where you can make a legit SB run in this league, tossing picks and overpaying for free agents is not a good recipe.
Show me a team who has done what the Jets are doing where it worked.
You Jets fans are hilarious . Because Ferguson doesn't embarrass himself for once, he's going to a Pro Bowl. What does Matt Light do? Not go to a Pro Bowl?
NE's offense is ranked #1 in points scored and he protects the best QB in the business.
You think because a player has sa Jets uni on, that means they are the best.
This is what SOME NYers do and it's the most obnoxious display I have ever seen in the sports world for fans, anywhere in this country. OBNOXIOUS.
Find a hole, a boyfriend or just a Mark Sanchez doll and get it over with already.
And then seek help.
Good luck.
Pats Fans
Re: The Vernon Gholston thread
posted at 11/20/2010 4:06 PM ESTWeeWee do you remember Joe Namath? He's the drunk ...I mean face of your franchise and that's the best your pitiful team can claim PPPFTLOL.
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posted at 11/20/2010 4:37 PM ESTIn Response to Re: The Vernon Gholston thread:In Response to Re: The Vernon Gholston thread : Clearly you have a lovefest with Mayo. He's a pretty good player, not in the same class as Harris of course. If he was, the pastsies D would be better than it is. You know, somewhere along the lines of how good the Jets D is (currently number 3). He'd better be pretty good, though because that 2008 pick was followed up with Wheatley, Crable, Oconnell and Wilhite. Ouch. Serious question.. any of those guys still playing football? You love to post draft positions, Harris 47th, Mayo 10th. I guess Mayo should be a lot better than he is.
Posted by PhatRex
hey phat rex consider this david harris and bart scott combined have 110 combined tackles this year, jerod may by himself combined tackles 105. let that boggle your pee brain mind .
Re: The Vernon Gholston thread
posted at 11/20/2010 4:46 PM ESTI am sooo sorry to forget that the Sancheese was a big 2009 draft pick, the fifth overall selection. I think his offense is forgetable too.
Re: The Vernon Gholston thread
posted at 11/20/2010 5:59 PM ESTAnd the jeties have done so well they've won.....................one super bowl before you were born.Phaty repeat along with WeeWee.Wee r sofa king stew ped
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posted at 11/20/2010 10:27 PM ESTNo the Jets trade 4 players for one. Something that a guy with more Super Bowl rings than Rex Ryan or Tananbaum would never do. Having more picks increases the odds of landing a good solid starter. Without more picks we don't have Brady, Koppen or Light. You do understand that our system via the results is far better than yours ?
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New York Jets — Four is the magic number for Kyle Wilson. Four defensive stops, four quarterback pressures and four pass breakups.
The New York Jets parade of first rounders never ends.
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posted at 11/20/2010 11:35 PM ESTIn Response to The Vernon Gholston thread:I will post a weekly update on this guy. He was taken higher than Mayo in the draft. Gholston has 5 tackles total this season... 5 tackles? Mayo has 5 tackles falling down. Sooo glad this guy is a jet. Vernon Gholston | #50 | DE New York Jets | Official Team Site Height: 6-3 Weight: 260 Age: 24 Born: 6/5/1986 Detroit , MI College: Ohio State Experience: 3rd season High School: Cass Tech HS [Detroit, MI] team rosters quick stats (2010) TCKL 5 SCK 0.0 FF 0 INT --I believe the 07 Draft also brought Welker and Moss. They were not very good though!!! Dooosh
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Re: The Vernon Gholston thread
posted at 11/21/2010 4:18 AM ESTBBReigns: unemployed troll searcher. At least thats what he put on his job qualification list.
Precious, buddy. And i'm positive you can't see me. too scared.
Re: The Vernon Gholston thread
posted at 11/22/2010 11:00 AM ESTIn a fairer comparison rookie DE Brandon Deadrick has 10 tackles and 2 sacks as 7th round pick. Vernon added to his total he is now up to 6 tackles 0 sacks.
Re: The Vernon Gholston thread
posted at 11/22/2010 11:25 AM ESTAhh I'm comparing Gholston a very high first rounder to Deadrick a 7th rounder. I could care less what the 2010 draft brought your team or what Moss did for us. Gholston is a Big Big BUST! and Dreadrick is a good part of the Pats D-line rotation.Keep changing the topic WeeWee if makes you feel better....the only team the jets beat with a winning record is the Pats in week 2.
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Re: The Vernon Gholston thread
posted at 11/22/2010 1:28 PM ESTAdded Deion Branch: "I guess thanks to the Jets, they let [Woodhead] go that easy."--Postgame press conference, 11/21/10
Re: The Vernon Gholston thread
posted at 11/22/2010 1:45 PM ESTIf the Jets system works why haven't they been to the Super Bowl in aeons ?
Re: The Vernon Gholston thread
posted at 11/22/2010 1:47 PM ESTGholston is the biggest 1st rd bust of the '00s. He's only on the roster because Tannenrube is deluded and has to defend his choice.
The production they gave gotten from him for 3 years now and the millions paid out.
It's just embarrassing for them.
The irony is, NE baited the Jets into taking Gholston. lol!!
Note how Phat Rex hasn't been here in weeks due to the Jets inept play at times, and their sheer luck for a month.
This on the heels of a shutout at home to GB off a Bye.
Welcome back, Fatty!
PS Keeping Joe McKnight who is now possibly looking to replace Shrimpy Wilson (another 1st rd BUST) over Danny Woodhead is the botch job of the year for Tannenboob.
Re: The Vernon Gholston thread
posted at 11/22/2010 1:51 PM ESTIn Response to Re: The Vernon Gholston thread:In Response to Re: The Vernon Gholston thread : You really have a problem with trading DE Kenyon Coleman, QB Brett Ratliff and DB Abram Elam to move from 17th to 5? Can you say rookie QB to the AFC Championship game? Who's kidding who here? BB stockpiled picks because he needed them. That team was falling apart after the 2007 Superbowl choke. The Jets, on the other hand, needed to fill just a few holes, QB being one. They target the player they want and go after them. They have moved around for many players, Sanchez, Greene, Keller, Revis, all smart moves and well worth what they paid to do so. Just because BB needs 10 picks to get 1 starter, 3 backups 4 cuts and 2 practice squad guys, that is no reason to emulate his methods. His success is based upon signing some decent FA (along with many bad ones) and the very lucky pick of Tom Brady, not to mention the Jets knocking out Drew. Just as easily, some team could have taken Brady in the round before and then we have a repeat of BB's Cleveland days.
Posted by PhatRex
Can you say Indy and Cincy laid down to allow NY into the playoffs last year?
Like you said, who IS kidding who here?
You are the most deluded fanbase for a reason you just don't know it yet, strangely enough.
We'll be here to remind you, if you actually show up.
Re: The Vernon Gholston thread
posted at 11/22/2010 1:56 PM ESTIn Response to Re: The Vernon Gholston thread:In Response to Re: The Vernon Gholston thread : 2010 draft brought us Holmes and Edwards, DOOOOSH. Moss doesnt even play for you anymore, how many titles did he bring you?
Posted by WeDerrWEDAT
And both will be free agents after the season and will demand top dollar contracts. There's no way the Jets keep both of them and retain any depth on that team. The Pats at least had Moss for a few good years and still have Welker. How many titles have Holmes and Edwards won for the Jets? Exactly, it's 0. They might win a championship this year and they might not. It seems as if you're already crowning the Jets Superbowl champs before any team has even clinched a playoff birth.
The Jets are built for this year only and will lose a couple of their key players in the offseason. From what I have seen, they have 18 upcoming free agents and a good portion of them are starters. They already have a ton of money wrapped up in Mangold, Revis, and Sanchez. The Jets already lack depth and Vernon Gholston sucking up money and space on the roster isn't helping.
Re: The Vernon Gholston thread
posted at 11/22/2010 2:10 PM ESTThey don't get it. In their mind, they automatically think Holmes will be resigned and the Jets will match or beat any FA offer.
The 5th rd pick only pays off if:
1. NY wins the SB.
2. Holmes resigns.
Obviously, neither are gimmes.
I bet they let Edwards walk and throw the farm at Holmes, which is great for Pats fans.
I welcome teams overpaying.
Re: The Vernon Gholston thread
posted at 11/22/2010 3:30 PM ESTThe team has its core locked up? The Jets core is three players? What happens if one gets hurt? The Jets have very little depth and wouldn't be able to fill in any of those spots if one of the players were to get hurt. Most of the big name guys on the team are free agents this year, and there are also a decent amount next year (LT). You can't expect them to sign all of these guys. They already lack depth and losing a few of these big name guys is going to kill the team. Sure, they're good this year. I'll give you that, but they aren't built for a dynasty.


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