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2001 VW Golf GTI MK4 – Buyer's Guide – 153
Past indiscretions aside, the Germans aren't a bad bunch. Their fashion sense and propensity to form hardcore satanic metal bands sometimes leaves a little to be desired, as does the typical German middle-aged woman's choice of hair dye, but overall they're all right. We're not interested in old ladies with red hair though, we're interested in cars and it just so happens the Germans know how to make a good one. Obviously the names Porsche, BMW, Audi and Mercedes-Benz come to mind, but Volkswagen is another that sits right up at the top of the list, and the Golf GTI is what we're going to take a look at this month.
It's often been said that the Mk2 Golf GTI set the benchmark for hot hatch performance. It was small, light and powered by a 1.8-litre four-cylinder, which in later versions pumped out 137hp. Even by today's standards, achieving that level of power from a normally aspirated 1.8-litre engine is nothing to be sneezed at, let alone 20 years ago.
The difference between that car and the latest hot hatches is, of course, the curb weight. The Mk2 Golf GTI weighed a little over 1000kg. Compared with the majority of today's three-door hatchbacks, the Golf was a featherweight, and for that reason it set the standard for performance.
So VW has the history and the know-how to make a decent hot hatch, but how does the 2001 Mk4 version stack up?
The Mk4 GTI was fitted with the well-regarded 1.8-litre DOHC 20-valve turbo inline four, an engine shared with Audi, which used it in the company's A3 turbo models. From an exterior perspective it's a great-looking donk, which is something that can't really be said for a lot of Japanese engines of the time. It's a solid unit of cast iron block and aluminium head construction, and it was also one of the first engines to benefit from having the exhaust manifold at the back of the engine bay and the inlet at the front.
At 9.5:1, it has an unusually high compression ratio for a turbocharged engine. Of course, the latest turbo engines are reaching that level of compression ratio now, but for the time, this was higher than the majority of other turbo mills.
It produces a respectable if not remarkable 110kW at 5700rpm and 210Nm at just 1750rpm. Those of you with a keen eye will have spotted that the power figures are a little on the low side compared with many Japanese turbo engines of the same era, and that the rpm levels at which they are reached are also lower particularly the torque figure. This means that the Golf is not as demanding a drive as, say, a Mitsubishi Lancer GSR.
While the 1.8-litre GSR has higher specific kilowatt and Newton metre outputs, both are also reached at much higher rpm. The Golf, on the other hand, generates the majority of its torque at less than 2000rpm. The Germans are also notoriously conservative when quoting power figures, so it wouldn't be at all surprising to learn that the true numbers were a little higher than what was revealed.
Either way, it is a robust and reliable engine that doesn't have the same highly strung nature as many Japanese units. It's also smooth and not so prone to vibration and harshness under load. It still delivers the goods, just in a more refined and subtle way.
The standard transmission found in the Mk4 GTI was a slick 5-speed manual driving the front wheels. There was a limited slip differential option, which is a nice addition, but some higher mileage gearboxes can experience problems with worn bearings. Overall, however, it's a sturdy transmission that is more than up to the task of handling a little more power than Volkswagen blessed the GTI with from the factory.
The Mk4 GTI is equipped with a fairly standard suspension setup consisting of Macpherson struts and coil springs up front, with a stabiliser bar to prevent body roll. At the rear of the car you will find an independent torsion beam arrangement with struts and coil springs. It's not a complex suspension design, but it provides decent handling from standard and a good, comfortable ride.
It's also ripe for modification, which is what we're mostly interested in.
One downside of the GTI is its bland exterior. While it does look like it's been hewn from a solid block of steel, it's not going to win any awards for outstanding design flair or set the heart racing with its curves, vents or aggressive bulges. Then again, neither can the competition. Unless you're comparing the GTI with an Evo or WRX of the same era, which wouldn't really be fair, there isn't a lot on the street in this price range with this many features and as much driveability as the GTI that will cause you to drool, so don't focus too much on it's understated style. That's what owning a Euro is about anyway. People don't buy them to stand out from the crowd; people buy them because they're well made and great to drive.
On the upside, and like all VW hatches, it looks robust and well built, and that's exactly what it is. You should never need to worry about rust or loose trim, and if you experience either of those then chances are the car has been in an accident and suffered a bad repair job, so steer clear.
This is really where you reap the benefits of opting for a Euro over a Japanese car. The interior of the GTI, while not exactly super-modern by today's standards, is a great place to be. It doesn't suffer from that cheap, plastic feel that so many Japanese cars do, especially from the '90s and early 2000s. Just about every creature comfort will greet you inside the GTI, and the front and rear Recaro seats won't disappoint, either. It's a genuinely comfortable place to sit and enjoy the ride, and the factory audio system is top notch, even if it does feature a MiniDisc player.
While the GTI may be European and therefore have a different approach to style, it responds to modification in the same way any Japanese turbo four-cylinder will. The usual recipe of a quality mandrel-bent exhaust coupled with a professionally designed intake system complete with a decent filter will do wonders for performance. Be careful with the exhaust though you don't want to ruin the car's smooth feel by installing a system that's too noisy or suffers from too much vibration. It's a quality car and was designed for high-speed, quiet cruising in comfort, not thrashing around forest roads like a WRX.
Since the GTI has a pretty sophisticated five-valve-per-cylinder head design, it would probably pay not to carry out work on the cylinder head. It breathes well enough as it is. Instead consider the turbo, intercooler and injectors. Like many stock systems, these are all on the small side and are designed for driveability and responsiveness, rather than outright power. But if power is what you're looking for, these are the areas you'll need to look at. As ever, you will need to have the engine thoroughly checked over and tested to ensure that any money you spend on modifications is not lost on a worn engine with no compression.
If you are upgrading the turbo, don't go for the biggest one you can find that will fit. Choose a unit that will work well with the 20-valve head and the characteristics of the engine. Remember, it's not as much of a high-revving beast as many Japanese engines, so there is no point bolting a massive turbo to a manifold that doesn't generate any boost until 5000rpm. If that were the case you would only have 1500rpm remaining before the engine was operating outside its design parameters.
Intercooler-wise, the same applies. You simply need to match the intercooler to the engine and turbo combination. You do not need the largest one you can find that will fit. Anything will be an improvement over the stock 'cooler.
Volkswagen Golf MK4 – Factory Specifications
Engine: VW/Audi 1.8-litre DOHC 20-valve inline-4, cast iron block, aluminium cylinder head, intercooled turbo, multi-point fuel injection
Driveline: 5-speed manual gearbox, front-wheel-drive, LSD option
Suspension/Brakes: Front — Macpherson struts, coil springs, stabiliser bar. Rear — Torsion beam, struts, coil springs, front ventilated discs, rear solid discs
Wheels/Tyres: 16-inch VW alloys, 205/55R16 tyres
Exterior: GTI bodywork
Interior: Recaro seats, leather-bound steering wheel & gear knob, air conditioning, power windows/mirrors
Performance: 110kW @ 5700rpm, 210Nm @ 1750rpm
Words: Rob Dawson Photos: Brad Lord
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MezRHD - You have everything you need to make your decision. It's pretty simple from this end of the computer. You've been told that with NO doubt your coin is fake. NO grading service will put it in a holder, so don't bother wasting your time or money. Find a nice holder to put it in, print a copy of this thread for your records, and forget about it. That way whomever ends up with it next will already have their research done for them.
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Now THAT one is scary.
I feel like hiding under my bed after seeing that.
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That last picture is a counterfeit? I am FAR from an expert but I would have been dancing around like I had won the lottery if I found that in my pocket change!
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Posted 03/01/2012 06:49 am
Mez...I know it's going to irk or haunt you until you're satisfied either way.
I think it's time for you to defer to some expert more knowledgeable than yourself for your own peace of mind about the coin.
Your choices, as I see them:
1. defer to the experts here (one of which posted pictures of a fabulously counterfeited 43)
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3. store the coin and promise yourself you'll not think about it for a year.
Commit and surrender to one of those choices.
I feel you, man. I own two counterfeits I wish werent counterfeits every time I think about them or see them in my collection...and I've been thinking about them and seeing them for decades.
Theyre not slabbed.
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Posted 03/01/2012 11:56 am
well I never had it checked but im pretty sure its fake
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Magnet test would probably be what you need on your coin 909records?
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Posted 03/01/2012 12:14 pm
Based on the odds alone, 909records's coin is probably a fake, but it sure looks better than any of the plated ones I've seen. The plated ones never quite seem to look the right color/texture for a 60 year old
Wheat cent
. And it looks better than the other struck counterfeits I've seen, like the original one from this post, or cast counterfeits I've seen. It also looks better than ones I've seen with modified dates.
If I had one that looked like that, I don't know how I could let it sit without checking it out. Please at least do a magnet test!
I remember seeing my first in-hand fake Morgan at a local coin dealer. I forget the date on the coin, but it was a completely common one, and it was in circulated condition. It didn't look "right", but I couldn't put my finger on what was wrong with it. It didn't feel like a real coin in hand (wrong weight and texture, it had the slippery feel of cast metal). Probably it would be obviously cast under any kind of magnification. It was pretty scary though because I know it would easily fool somebody who didn't know coins, and I knew there were really sophisticated counterfeits out there that I wouldn't be able to detect.
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Posted 03/08/2012 1:42 pm
As a teaching example and nothing much more.
I'll bid 30 dollars on a fake 1943 copper!
We have them in stock, how many you want?
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Wow, that was a great read! Hopefully the OP will do the right thing and keep it. 909, I usually have a very keen nose to sniff out a counterfeit, but that copper 43 of yours would practically stop my heart if I found it searching a bag of wheats. To me, THAT one is worth checking out, not necessarily sending it off to a
to have the possibility of the government ending up with it, but taking it to a nearby large show and having some experts look at it in hand. A few dozen of these exist; to me the existence of another would not be an impossibility.
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Didn't the SS confiscate the
'S black cabinet and return it to them back in the 70s?
As others point out, the SS
confiscate fakes and altered coins, but I doubt that obvious copies of 43 cents are high on their list. After all, they don't bother confiscating 1804 dollars or 1913
V nickels
, both of which are as unauthorized as 1933 $20 gold pieces.
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I wonder if SGS would certify it as genuine, there is the potential for some serious fraud to occur with the third tier TGP's (which is why I would never bid on such a thing in a third tier slab).
Oldest Found-------
Cent: 1842 (from machine) ---- Three Cent: 1866 [Nickel] (from machine)
Nickel: 1883 (from roll) ---- Dime: 1911 (from roll)
Quarter: 1932 (from machine) ---- Half: 1917 (from roll)
Dollar: 1880 (from machine) ---- Foriegn: 1863 (from machine)
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I am still sitting on my 43. My husband wants me to send it in. I am just enjoying the "what if" and the thrill of the hunt. I know why my Dad was so into his coins. Thanks for all the posts everyone. I will let y'all know what I deceide to do.
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sorry Mez, but I can't share your excitement of "what if". Right now it's just fantasy.
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Papers published in refereed academic journals
1. "The Spatial Development of India," Journal of Regional Science, forthcoming (with Ejaz Ghani, Steve O'Connell and Esteban Rossi-Hansberg). Related Vox column (reproduced in Ideas for India). Economic Premise note. Coverage in Financial Express.
2. "Resistance to Technology Adoption: The Rise and Decline of Guilds," Review of Economic Dynamics, 2014, 17, 437-458 (with Stephen Parente). Related Vox column.
3. "Spatial Development," American Economic Review, 2014, 104, 1211-43 (with Esteban Rossi-Hansberg). Replication Files.
4. "Urban Accounting and Welfare," American Economic Review, 2013, 103, 2296-2327 (with Esteban Rossi-Hansberg). Related Vox column (in Japanese). Replication Files.
5. "The Evolution of Markets and the Revolution of Industry: A Unified Theory of Growth," Journal of Economic Growth, 2012, 17, 205-234 (with Stephen Parente).
6. "Hub-and-Spoke Free Trade Areas," Canadian Journal of Economics, 2012, 45, 942-977 (with Giovanni Facchini and George Deltas).
7. "Innovation in Space," American Economic Review P&P, 2012, 102, 447-52 (with Esteban Rossi-Hansberg).
8. "The Political Economy of Linguistic Cleavages," Journal of Development Economics, 2012, 97, 322-338 (with Ignacio Ortuño and Romain Wacziarg). ELF and Polarization Data (different levels of aggregation).
9. "The Stability and Breakup of Nations: A Quantitative Analysis," Journal of Economic Growth, 2011, 16, 183-213 (with Michel Le Breton, Ignacio Ortuño and Shlomo Weber). Coverage in BBC, Radio Nacional de España, El Mundo.
10. "Bigger is Better: Market Size, Demand Elasticity and Innovation," International Economic Review, 2010, 51, 319-333 (with Stephen Parente).
11. "On Spatial Dynamics," Journal of Regional Science, 2010, 50, 43-63 (with Esteban Rossi-Hansberg).
12. "Spatial Growth and Industry Age," Journal of Economic Theory, 2009, 144, 2477-2502 (with Esteban Rossi-Hansberg). Related Vox column.
13. "Linguistic Diversity and Redistribution," Journal of the European Economic Association, 2009, 7, 1291-1318 (with Ignacio Ortuño and Shlomo Weber). Linguistic heterogeneity data (accounting for distances)
14. "Foreign Direct Investment and Spillovers: Gradualism May Be Better," Canadian Journal of Economics, 2008, 41, 926-953 (with Felipe Meza and Juan Rojas).
15. "Rational Underdevelopment," Scandinavian Journal of Economics, 2007, 109, 1-24 (with Ignacio Ortuño).
16. "Inflation in Open Economies with Complete Markets," Economic Theory, 2007, 31, 271-291 (with Marco Celentani and J. Ignacio Conde).
17. "Employment Concentration across U.S. Counties," Regional Science and Urban Economics, 2006, 36, 482-509 (with Marcel Fafchamps).
18. "Changes in the Spatial Concentration of Employment across U.S. Counties: A Sectoral Analysis 1972-2000?," Journal of Economic Geography, 2005, 5(3), 261-284 (with Marcel Fafchamps).
19. "Implementing R&D Policies: An Analysis of Spain's Pharmaceutical Research Program," Research Policy, 2004, 33, 1493-1507 (with Praveen Kujal and Félix Lobo).
20. "Endogenous Policy Leads to Incomplete Risk Sharing," Review of Economic Dynamics, 7, 2004, 758-787 (with Marco Celentani and J. Ignacio Conde).
21. "A Simple Model of Uneven Development and Overtaking," Economic Journal, 2002, 112, 894-918.
22. "Accounting for the Mexican Banking Crisis," Emerging Markets Review, 2000, 1, 165-181.
23. "A Perfect Foresight Model of Regional Development and Skill Specialization," Regional Science and Urban Economics, 2000, 30, 221-242.
Completed working papers
24. "On the Spatial Economic Impact of Global Warming," NBER Working Paper #18546, November 2012 (with Esteban Rossi-Hansberg). Coverage in The Economist. Related Vox column.
25. "The Settlement of the United States, 1800-2000: The Long Transition to Gibrat's Law," CEPR Discussion Paper #9353, February 2013 (with Jordan Rappaport). Online Appendix.
26. "Culture, Ethnicity and Diversity," April 2014 (with Ignacio Ortuño and Romain Wacziarg).
27. "The Geography of Development within Countries," prepared for Handbook of Regional and Urban Economics (with Vernon Henderson).
28. "The Geography of Development: Evaluating Migration Restrictions and Coastal Flooding," September 2014 (with Dávid Krisztián Nagy and Esteban Rossi-Hansberg). Online Appendix with Video Simulations.
Other published work
29. Discussion of "The Bank Lending Channel: Evidence from Emerging Economies," Moneda y Crédito, 2003, 216, 201-203.
30. "Breaking Down the Barriers to Firm Growth in Europe," Bruegel Blueprint 18, 2012 (with Loris Rubini, Facundo Piguillem and Aránzazu Crespo).


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This novel is an absolutely pristine example of everything I love about Urban Fantasy. Character development, rebellion against patriarchal institutions, herosim (from the heroine, of course), love, family, the balance of nurture and career in the heroine, agency, teamwork, and the heroine overcoming all odds to face down her fears and save herself (penetrative death act!!)
Interestingly, this novel deals with the theme of growing up, maturing, accepting responsibility, and learning to live in one's own skin with the adult choices one is forced by circumstance to make.
Beautiful. THIS is what urban fantasy is about. Since I'm clear to write my thesis on the stuff, this series just worked its way to the top few that I would like to include.
Very definitely the book where this series became worth reading to me. I might even suggest that people new to the series skip straight to it.
Toby is a somewhat shopworn changeling knight, stubbornly making a living as a private PI for the faerie and human worlds alike. But when one of her oldest friends' children is kidnapped by one of Faerie's oldest - and most powerful - bogeymen, she has to find new depths to herself to defeat him.
And the new depths is really one of the two things that made this book so utterly awesome to me. I had honestly started to dislike Toby from the first two books for being too stupid to live and having the self-preservation instincts of your average goth lemming writing bad poetry about the loveliness of cliffs. In this book, Toby still makes that goth lemming look like a sparkling princess of well-adjustedness, but at least it's acknowledged, addressed, and shown to exasperate the people around her as much as it does me. I will deal with a hell of a lot of stupidity when it's acknowledged as such in universe, and I have some hopes of the character growing a little past it.
The other thing that made it awesome? I just really like stories about stories.
The Hunt is riding again. His hunt rides forth every 100 years and before it does it gathers new riders and steeds into the fold. But the source for these new recruits are children – fae children to ride, mortal children for horses and the nights before Samhain Michael recruits new steeds and riders from their homes.
And in comes October Daye. Her best friends have lost their children, the Court of Cats have lost children and her friend Quentin has lost his girlfriend to the Hunt and October, as a hero, isn't going to let that happen. Even if her Fetch has arrived, predicting her imminent demise.
With the help of Luna, the Duchess of the Shadowed Halls and the ancient fae, the Luidaeg, she has to enter the lands of the hunt and retrieve the children. But she is entering a new world with this quest, playing by the rules of children's games and songs, fighting with rhymes and half remembered rules of fairness in a world that isn't bound to reality.
And, of course, even if you manage to save people from the Huntsman, how do you stop him turning his eyes upon you?
I think in this book we had the most powerful feeling of what it means to be fae –not just in the series but perhaps in Urban Fantasy in general. The surreal, malleable world, the shifting reality and the low grade3, unnerving terror was powerful. But more so was the simple use of children's stories, of fairness and of arcane rules to the games. It added to the surreality and the alienness of the world, even told through the familiarity of children's rhymes. In a way it adds to the terror of it – because these aren't creatures that follow the rules and mores of adult society – not even of adult thinking – they are literally creatures of nightmares and as alien and incomprehensible as those nightmares.
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Brilliant new author, keeps getting better. I'm eagerly awaiting the next book. A well done take on Faerie, with enough of the weird in the best way.
Exceedingly better than the previous one, like bitter and sweet. Toby is actually a real hero in this one. At the end of the last book, Sykvester wasn't happy and Toby had really let him down but there's no mention of that here. I wish that the author had carried that over to this book so Toby could redeem herself but it all worked out. I was worried that all the action would take place in the fae lands which isn't as interesting to me (it's almost cheating when you don't have to worry about the laws of physics) but there was plenty of modern world as well.
Small things:
~ her obsession with house cats is getting annoying but at least now there're are some dog like monsters that may make cameos. I like the rose goblin but he is really too cutesy for being features in the whole story.
~ her track record hasnt been so great recently so why does everyone trust her so easily?
~ what the hell is going in with Tybalt? Is he bipolar or something? He's been so unexplainably hot and cold the last few books. Oh, and yes, I know that unexplainably isn't really a word but the author used it on page 14 so I figure I can use it in a review.
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October "Toby" Daye tries to rescue the mortal and fae children who have been kidnapped by Blind Michael, lord of the Wild Hunt, forcing her to make a choice that could save them all or cause her to fall prey to the Wild Hunt.
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Want a beautiful color with buttery softy consistency and excellent payoff look no further than Toasted. It's a beautiful warm but light meaning can be used with cool skin tones as well color. It has a bronze undertone with this lovely toasted neutral brown really amazing color and hard to describe fully.
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I applied through a staffing agency. The process took 7+ months – interviewed at Network Rail in January 2013.Interview Details
In my view interviews are according to set procedure but the selection is based on non standard basis, which hiring manager can play with. Because if anybody asks feedback, always funny reply will come always.Interview Questions
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I applied online. The process took 3+ months – interviewed at Network Rail.Interview Details
I applied for a role in May 2014, and my application was acknowledged very quickly which I found impressive. I had a telephone interview within a week, and a face to face interview was set up promptly for 3 weeks later. All going well. I attended my interview and was advised that at the end of the interview that the panel wanted to 'move quickly' and would come back to me soon. Excellent :)
However, it went downhill from there.
4 weeks after my interview I had heard nothing and despite several chasers, silence remained. Its now over three months since the interview and I have since heard through the grapevine the position has been filled. It would have been nice to have either been notified myself that I had been unsuccessful, or received feedback at the very least! My online application still shows 'interview arranged', it hasnt been moved forwards and closed off.
Poor, really poor and I would avoid applying there again and would advocate not applying to friends and colleagues.Interview Questions
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First stage, Online application- simple application but take your time and make sure all your answers are relevant and within the work count.
Second stage, Online competency Question, I process took around 20/25 minutes, each section having a strict time limit. Questions are based on numeracy, Reading and understanding and Analytical. Would be advised to get some practice of online competency before attempting the actual exam.
Final stage- Group/Face to Face interview. Mine was based in Manchester square one with 7 other potential applicants. The day is sub divided into;
Presentation, 20/25 minutes about the company and the scheme.
Administration, All your paper work and colour test.
Group activity, it will be timed, Mine was in a group of five and to plan and built a bridge that could hold a paper train on for 30 seconds. Make sure you listen to every ones ideas and keep a track on the time, Show your leadership skills without drowning anyone else.
Face to face interview with 2 senior Signalling engineers, about 4/5 competency questions and getting to know you questions. important to practice these before hand and be prepared to ask questions in the end.Interview Questions
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- Online competency questions and how fast the time runs out. Practice! Answer Question
Not enough pay and better opportunity popped up somewhere else.Declined Offer
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2) Clear examples of how you have demonstrated some of the company leadership capabilities (normally 6). These are the standard corporate style capabilities... e..g. communicating; influencing; innovating; delivering; building teams; analysing; information searching
3) A small number of technical questions relating to the specific roleInterview Questions
Negotiation DetailsInternal candidate so very little opportunity to negotiateAccepted OfferPositive ExperienceAverage Interview
- The technical questions obviously can be least expected but not if thought through carefully in advance - look at the role description
Competency questions now are from a pick list so each competency will have a few possible questions that address certain aspects of that competency. Come prepared with examples of how you meet the overall competency and then be prepared to adapt them at interview
Points are generally scored for using different and recent examples Answer Question
- The technical questions obviously can be least expected but not if thought through carefully in advance - look at the role description
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I applied online – interviewed at Network Rail in February 2013.Interview Details
I submitted my online application in December 2012, which was followed by online situational judgement test and then numerical and verbal reasoning tests. Following this, I was invited to the Graduate Assessment Centre as Westwood training Centre. This was an overnight stay, on the first night there was dinner anda preseentation. The second day consisted of a business case, 2:1 interview and group exercise. It was actually a really pleasant stay and I was made to feel very comfortable.Interview Questions
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Initially applied in December, the application form was pretty bog standard
In January I undertook a work preferences test, was tasked with picking one statement out of four that described me the best. This test was very different to most of the SHL tests I have done before, it was pretty easy but there weren't any obvious answers.
didn't hear anything until march when I was invited to an assessment centre with two days notice.Interview Questions
No Offer
- Come up with a solution to a problem network rail faces, how viable is it? Answer Question
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I applied online. The process took 2+ months – interviewed at Network Rail in February 2014.Interview Details
during the assessment day there was a challenge given to us, in which we had to come up with inventive ways of dealing with a certain problem, i.e. fly tipping on the tracks, we then had to make our best ideas into a presentation, which lasted for 5 mins. there was also a group exercise to do with how to allocate money appropriately.Interview Questions
No OfferPositive ExperienceAverage Interview
- why are you the best person for the job? Answer Question
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I applied online – interviewed at Network Rail.Interview Details
Online application followed by an online skills test which tested for verbal reasoning and maths skills. After this came a 1:1 interview.Interview Questions
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- I was mostly asked questions about what I knew about the company. There seemed to be limited focus on me and my past experience. Answer Question
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I applied online. The process took 2+ months – interviewed at Network Rail in October 2012.Interview Details
Applied online. Then there were a series of online tests. After completing them I went for an assessment centre.
The assessment centre had a technical interview, a personal interview, a writing exercise and a group exercise. It took about 6 hours all in.
They didn't offer to pay expenses for the interview which I thought was cheap. Some people came a long way and must have spent £100s to get there.Interview Questions
Negotiation DetailsCrap, they wouldn't budge on salary.Accepted OfferPositive ExperienceEasy Interview
- Nothing difficult really. The group exercise was challenging because some of the people seemed unlikely to get the job and weren't the easiest to work with. Answer Question
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I applied online. The process took 4+ months – interviewed at Network Rail in April 2013.Interview Details
the first process is the online application form. there is a facebook site that gives very good hints and tips, use them. i answered the 3 questions online and 2 weeks later i was asked to complete a situational Judgement test. the test are pretty easy once you practice.
after that stage i was asked to complete a basic numerical test, then a mechanical comprehension (just a test on mechanical principles based on pictures and diagrams). after this stage i went through to the diagrammatic online test (which was the hardest art of the stage in my opinion)
i was then invited to attend the assessment center. a very relaxed environment. i had to produce my exam certificates and ID. then i went on to do a one to one interview, where they asked me to give examples of different situations and show how competent i would be for my role. then a group exercise. there was 3 other people in my group, all applying for different roles in different areas. then i completed a paper test, they called it a technical understanding test. it was more of a verbal reasoning test. you are given a chapter to read and you answer the questions relating to the chapter. very easy
two weeks later i had a phone call saying i was accepted.Interview Questions
Negotiation Detailsa phone call telling me they would like to accept me on to their scheme. it was a conditional off, so as long as i meet the medical requirements.Accepted OfferPositive ExperienceEasy Interview
- most difficult part was the online assessment period. i had to wait a week to see if i had made it through to the next stage. and the test were unexpectedly easy. i did not finish some and did not answer all of them correctly, but i still made it through. the last online test which is the diagrammatic test, was difficult to me as the shapes confused me somewhat, but i still managed to pass surprisingly. Answer Question
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|Overview - Acts 21
|Paul calls at the house of Philip, whose daughters prophesy.
|Agabus, foretelling what should befall him at Jerusalem, he will not be dissuaded from going thither.
|He comes to Jerusalem;
|where he is apprehended, and in great danger, but by the chief captain is rescued;
|and requests, and is permitted to speak to the people.
Acts 21:20 (King James Version)
And when they heard it, they glorified the Lord, and said unto him, Thou seest, brother, how many thousands of Jews there are which believe; and they are all zealous of the law:


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Jesus Christ plainly said He would be entombed for three days and three nights. Can this be reconciled with a "Good Friday" crucifixion and burial and an "Easter Sunday" resurrection, which allows for barely a day and a half in the tomb? Or do the Gospels spell out a solution that fits perfectly with what Jesus foretold?
In Matthew:12:38, some of the scribes and Pharisees asked Jesus for a sign to prove He was the Messiah. "Teacher, we want to see a miraculous sign from you," they told Him (New International Version).
Jesus responded that the only sign He would give was that of the prophet Jonah: "For as Jonah was three days and three nights in the belly of a huge fish, so the Son of Man will be three days and three nights in the heart of the earth" (Matthew:12:40, NIV).
But how can we fit "three days and three nights" between a Friday afternoon crucifixion and entombment just before sundown and a Sunday morning resurrection at sunrise? This traditional view allows for Jesus to have been in the tomb for only a day and a half—or half the time Jesus foretold!
Some believe that Christ's statement that He would be "three days and three nights in the heart of the earth" does not require a literal span of 72 hours. They reason that any part of a day can be reckoned as a whole day.
Thus, since Jesus died in the afternoon and was entombed just before sunset, they think the closing few minutes of that Friday constituted the first day, Friday night was the first night, Saturday was the second day, Saturday night was the second night, and a few minutes at dawn on Sunday morning made up the third day.
But where, then, is the third night? Even if a few minutes of daylight late on Friday and another few on Sunday morning constitute "days," this interpretation fails to explain how only two nights—Friday night and Saturday night—can somehow be the three nights of which Jesus spoke.
In fact, Scripture is plain that Jesus had already risen before Mary Magdalene came to the tomb early Sunday morning, arriving "while it was still dark" (John:20:1-2). So in reality, no parts of Sunday could be counted as a day, as Jesus was already resurrected well before the break of dawn.
Jonah:1:17, to which Jesus referred, states specifically that "Jonah was in the belly of the fish three days and three nights." We have no biblical basis for thinking that Jesus meant only two nights and one day, plus part of another day.
If Jesus were in the tomb only from late Friday afternoon to early Sunday morning, then the sign He gave that He was the prophesied Messiah was not fulfilled.
So which is it? Is something wrong with Christ's words, or is something wrong with the traditional view of when and how long He was in the tomb?
Let's carefully examine the details from the Gospels. When we do, we uncover the real story of how Jesus' words were fulfilled precisely.
Notice the sequence of events outlined in Luke 23. Jesus' moment of death, as well as His hasty burial because of the oncoming Sabbath that began at sundown, is narrated in Luke:23:46-53. Luke:23:54 then states, "That day was the Preparation, and the Sabbath drew near."
In Jewish society of that time, heavy cooking and housecleaning were done on the day before a Sabbath in preparation for it. Thus the day before the Sabbath came to be called "the preparation day" or simply "the preparation." The biblical Sabbath falls on Saturday, the seventh day of the week. According to Bible reckoning, days begin at sunset (Leviticus:23:32; compare Genesis:1:5, Genesis:1:8, Genesis:1:13), so all weekly Sabbaths start Friday evening at sundown.
Based on these facts, many people have assumed that it is the weekly Sabbath mentioned here, and that Jesus was therefore crucified on a Friday. But two types of "Sabbaths" are mentioned in the Scriptures—the regular weekly Sabbath day, which fell on the seventh day of the week, and seven annual Holy Days (listed in Leviticus 23), Sabbaths that could—and usually did—fall on days of the week other than the regular weekly Sabbath day.
Was the day after Jesus was crucified a weekly Sabbath, or one of these annual Holy Days?
John:19:31 clearly states that this approaching Sabbath "was a high day." This term does not refer to the weekly Sabbath (Friday sunset to Saturday sunset), but in this context to the first day of Unleavened Bread, one of God's annual Holy Days (Exodus:12:16-17; Leviticus:23:6-7). A number of Bible commentaries, encyclopedias and dictionaries will confirm that John is not referring to the weekly Sabbath here, but rather to one of the annual Sabbaths.
According to the biblical evidence, in that year this high-day Sabbath fell on a Thursday (meaning it began on Wednesday night at sunset). This becomes especially clear from details in the Gospel accounts showing us that two separate Sabbath days are mentioned.
Luke:23:55-56 tells us that the women, after seeing Christ's body being laid in the tomb just before sundown, "returned and prepared spices and fragrant oils" for the final preparation of the body.
They would not have done such work on a Sabbath day, weekly or annual, since it would have been considered a Sabbath violation. This is verified by Mark's account, which states, "Now when the Sabbath was past, Mary Magdalene, Mary the mother of James, and Salome bought spices [which they could not have purchased on a Sabbath day], that they might come and anoint Him" (Mark:16:1).
The women had to wait until this Sabbath was over before they could buy and prepare the spices to be used for anointing Jesus' body. Then, Luke:23:56 tells us that, after purchasing and preparing the spices and oils on Friday, "they rested on the Sabbath according to the commandment"—which means they had to have acquired the spices before that Sabbath on which they rested. This second Sabbath mentioned in the Gospel accounts is the regular weekly Sabbath, observed from Friday sunset to Saturday sunset.
By comparing details in both Gospels— where Mark tells us the women bought spices after the Sabbath and Luke relates that they prepared the spices before resting on the Sabbath—we can clearly see that two different Sabbaths are being discussed here.
The original Greek of Matthew:28:1 even tells us the women went to the tomb "after the Sabbaths" (plural), as some Bible translations show.
The first, as John:19:31 tells us, was a "high day"—the first day of the Feast of Unleavened Bread—which in this year fell on a Thursday. The second was the weekly seventh-day Sabbath. (To see these events spelled out day by day, see "The Chronology of Jesus Christ's Crucifixion and Resurrection ".)
After the women rested on the regular weekly Sabbath, they went to Jesus' tomb early on the first day of the week (Sunday), "while it was still dark" (John:20:1), and found that He had already been resurrected (Matthew:28:1-6; Mark:16:2-6; Luke:24:1-3). Jesus was not resurrected at sunrise on Sunday morning. When Mary Magdalene arrived "while it was still dark," she found the stone rolled away and the tomb already empty!
When we consider the details in all four Gospel accounts, the picture is clear. Jesus was crucified and entombed late on Wednesday afternoon, just before a Sabbath began at sunset. However, that was a high-day Sabbath, lasting from Wednesday sunset to Thursday sunset that week, rather than the regular weekly Sabbath that lasted from Friday sunset to Saturday sunset.
Since Jesus was entombed in the late afternoon just before sundown, according to His own words He would have been resurrected at around the same time three days and nights later. He remained in the tomb from Wednesday at sunset until Saturday at sunset, when He rose from the dead. While no one witnessed His resurrection (which took place inside a sealed tomb), to fit His words and the biblical evidence it had to have happened three days and three nights later, near sunset on Saturday.
This time line perfectly accommodates three full nights (Wednesday night, Thursday night and Friday night) and three full daylight periods (Thursday, Friday and Saturday). This is the only time that fits Jesus' own prophecy of how long He would be in the tomb. And, as we have seen, it fits perfectly with all the details recorded in the Gospels.
We can be assured that the entombment period Jesus gave as proof He was the Messiah was exactly the duration He foretold. Because most people do not understand the biblical Holy Days Jesus Christ and His followers kept, they fail to understand the chronological details so accurately preserved for us in the Gospels.
If we didn't teach errors, many people might believe and come into the truth. We have long taught some things that are not truly scriptural. We have been deceived, not having fully proven those things. We have ignored some scriptures carelessly, or kept our own tradition {the teachings of one man}.
For example, the bible clearly says in Luke:24:1 and 21 that the FIRST day of the week... was the THIRD day... since the death and burial of Jesus Christ! Jesus did not refute that statement!
This scripture is continually ignored however, possibly because we want to give extra credence to the Sabbath, as if it needs that. Our reason for worshipping on the Sabbath has nothing to do with what day Jesus rose from the dead! We keep the Sabbath because it is a commandment from God that is still binding.
Concerning Easter, there is no commandment to honor Jesus' resurrection. Rather, we are told by Jesus Himself to remember his sacrifice and death for our sins every Passover till He comes. So the point is Easter is pagan, false worship, as is Christmas, and has nothing to do with Jesus. If Easter was changed to Saturday it would still be WRONG!!!
The fact that no one witnessed the resurrection of Jesus because it took place inside a sealed tomb is not relevant. All that is relevant and required is that witnesses saw Jesus alive on the THIRD day, as He said. He never said anyone would see Him rise up. The scriptures prove this, and also prove that it did not have to be an exact period of 72 hrs. If it were exactly a period of 72 hrs then Jesus would have risen on the 4th day!
Mark:10:34, Acts:10:40, Luke:24:46, 1 Cor:15:4, Matt:16:21, Matt:17:23, Matt:20:19, Mark:9:31, Mark:10:34, Luke:9:22, Luke:13:32, Luke:18:33, Luke:24:7, Luke:24:21
To clarify and explain my previous comment...
The concept of a full 3 days and a full 3 nights is not logical. A period of 72 hrs equals a full 3 days, but if Jesus rose AFTER 72 hrs, AFTER a full 3 days, then He would have risen at the start of the 4th day. You see, logically it would no longer be the third day if a full 72 hrs had passed.
He had to rise on or during the third day as He said, before the completion of 72 hours. The many scriptures I listed suggest He did indeed rise on the THIRD day, and He was indeed seen on the THIRD day as stated in Luke:24:21, proving He was the Messiah and fulfilling His prophecy concerning Himself.
That day was SUNDAY as Luke:24:1 and 21 tells us, as well as Mark:16:9 which states "Now when He rose EARLY ON THE FIRST DAY OF THE WEEK, He appeared first to Mary Magdalene..."
Hello Lily,
In regards to Luke:24:1: "When] the women then went to Jesus' tomb early on the first day of the week (Sunday), while it was still dark (John:20:1), [they] found that He had already been resurrected (Matthew:28:1-6; Mark:16:2-6; Luke:24:1-3; John:20:1)…
'[In regards to] Mark:16:9… there is no punctuation indicated in the original Greek. Therefore, to be in harmony with the material presented in the other Gospels, a better translation would be: 'Now having risen, early the first day of the week He appeared first to Mary Magdalene….' These verses are not saying that Jesus rose early on Sunday morning, but that He appeared on Sunday morning to Mary Magdalene, having risen some time earlier" (Berg 2003, "Does Easter Really Commemorate Jesus Christ's Resurrection?"): http://www.ucg.org/holidays-and-holy-days/does-easter-really-commemorate...
I agree with Ivan on this.
There is one thing that Lily mentions that is rather interesting.
"This scripture is continually ignored however, possibly because we want to give extra credence to the Sabbath, as if it needs that. Our reason for worshipping on the Sabbath has nothing to do with what day Jesus rose from the dead!"
It maybe only be interesting to me but:
The reason why numerous people from mainstream Christianity oppose a wed-sat timing is because it removes their reason and justification for celebrating not only Easter Sunday. But also a fri-sun timeline on the other hand gives them extra credence and a reason for worshipping on every Sunday because Jesus rose from the dead. They state so themselves.
Frankly I've never heard about the possibility that the resurrection adds extra credence to the weekly Sabbath until it's mentioned here in the comments. In my view to use that association is nothing more than pulling rabbits out of a hat.
Greetings Lily,
"the bible clearly says in Luke:24:1 and 21 that the FIRST day of the week... was the THIRD day... since the death and burial of Jesus Christ!"
Is it a certainty, does it "clearly" say, that these things are only referring to "since the death and burial"? Is there a false assumption being added to this verse?
"The fact that no one witnessed the resurrection of Jesus..."
Does prefacing this statement with the word "fact" make it the truth? Does that mean that the ones who said to the women at the sepulchre "He is not here, but is risen" could not have been witnesses?
"The concept of a full 3 days and a full 3 nights is not logical."
Isn't the only way this "concept" would be "not logical" is if the quoted comments are accepted as facts? Didn't He say three days and three nights is the only sign?
"He had to rise on or during the third day as He said, before the completion of 72 hours." Where is it shown that "during" or "before the completion" is "as He said"? again, didn't He say three days and three nights is the only sign?
"...which states "Now when He rose"...", is that how this verse reads? Do other valid translations show the error here?
In answer to your first question, YES. It does clearly say this. It is important to read the whole chapter in CONTEXT. Taking parts of God's word out of context is detrimental to true understanding.
As to your second question, of course, God the Father and the angels witnessed the resurrection of Jesus. I was obviously referring to HUMANS, to whom Jesus gave the sign.
Pertaining to your third and fourth questions... Jesus said He would rise "the third day". If a full 72 hrs passes that is obviously the end of 3 days and 3 nights and the beginning of a 4th. He had to have risen between the time frame He gave. He rose on the third day as He said, which does not in any way change the fact that he was in the grave 3 days and 3 nights. Humans have added the concept of "FULL" days and nights.
As per your last question, here are some examples of other translations of Mark:16:9....
KJ- "Now when Jesus was risen early the first day of the week..."
NKJ- "Now when He rose early on the first day of the week..."
NLT- "After Jesus rose from the dead early on Sunday morning..."
LB- "It was early on Sunday morning when Jesus came back to life..."
Bible translations of Mark:16:9 continued...
PME- "When Jesus rose early on that first day of the week..."
RSV- "Now when He rose early on the first day of the week..."
NIV- "When Jesus rose early on the first day of the week..."
JB- "Having risen in the morning on the first day of the week..."
NEB- "When He had risen from the dead early on Sunday morning..."
Greetings Lily,
Yes, it is important to read any of the scriptures in context, isn't it? Also, isn't it important to make sure in our studies that we allow scripture to agree with, to interpret, other scripture?
Following your instructions, we (re)read Luke 24 in its entirety and could not find any place that "clearly states" "...since the death and burial of Jesus Christ!" Would you please let us know where in this chapter you're referring when you say this? Could there be more information in several places in the "whole chapter" that, when matched up with other scripture, gives a clear understanding about what these men are really talking about when they say "...today is the third day since these things were done."
"The fact that no one witnessed the resurrection of Jesus..."
According to instructions given through scripture, what is required before a witness can be accepted as truth? In Luke 24, couldn't the words of the two men "He is not here, but has risen. Remember how He spoke to you... The Son of Man must be delivered into the hands of sinful men and be crucified, and the third day rise again?", qualify as a witness? If not, then why are there two?
Greetings Lily,
Could "If we count 72 hrs this is a whole 3 days and 3 nights, in which case Jesus rising at the END of that time frame would be the start of a 4th day.", be very close to what did happen? In the very chapter where you have picked two verses to support the understanding that the 1st day of the week was the 3rd day in the grave, is there another verse that "clearly" states another understanding? What day was He crucified, killed and put in the grave? Did Jesus define exactly how much time is in a day and, by extension, a night? If so, then would He consider His statement of three days and three nights to be a "time frame", or would His sign be fulfilled in the way He defined a day and, by extension, a night? Does He always do precisely as He says He will do? Could it be that the time of day they put Him in the grave be the exact time He rose from the grave?
About Mark:16:9, may we discuss this more later?
Hi Norbert,
Re: "the possibility that the resurrection adds extra credence to the weekly Sabbath"
"[T]he reaping of the [wave] sheaf" (on Saturday at dusk) "symbolizes Israel giving the firstfruits, the very best of their produce, to God, and this is exactly the symbolism that Jesus fulfilled [1 Cor:15:20-23]. Christians are also called the firstfruits of God.
'So as the weekly Sabbath was ending...God resurrected His Son...reap[ing] the best and the first of His spiritual harvest.
'One might wonder why this happened on the Sabbath. What is the significance of this being done on the Sabbath? It is the Sabbath that commemorates God as Creator" (Rightenbaugh, "Wave Sheaf," Forerunner Commentary).
"Christ's apostles and their converts...[observed the Sabbath] with a renewed emphasis on the 'new' person God is in the process of creating": http://www.ucg.org/booklet/ten-commandments/fourth-commandment-key-relat...
In the Millennial Sabbath rest "[following] Christ's return, He will bring the creation in its entirety into harmony with God": http://www.ucg.org/booklet/gods-holy-day-plan-promise-hope-all-mankind/f...
Luke:24:13-14 (NLT)— "That same day [SUNDAY] two of Jesus' followers were walking to the village of Emmaus, seven miles from Jerusalem. As they walked along they were talking…"
Luke:24:20-21 (NLT)— "…But our leading priests and other religious leaders handed Him over to be CONDEMNED TO DEATH, AND THEY CRUCIFIED HIM…. THIS [THE CONDEMNING AND CRUCIFYING OF JESUS] ALL HAPPENED THREE DAYS AGO [THURSDAY!!!]."
But how do other translations render Luke:24:20-21? Do they also clearly state that Jesus was crucified on a THURSDAY?
KJ — "...CONDEMNED to death... CRUCIFIED him... today is the THIRD day since THESE things were done."
PME — "...HANDED HIM OVER FOR EXECUTION, and had him CRUCIFIED... it's THREE days since all THIS happened..."
RSV — "...CONDEMNED to death, and CRUCIFIED him... it is now the THIRD day since THIS happened."
NIV — "...handed him over to be SENTENCED to death, and they CRUCIFIED him... it is the THIRD day since all THIS took place."
So, as you can plainly see, other translations give the same meaning as the NLT. They ALL show beyond any doubt whatsoever that Jesus was crucified three days prior to Sunday—THURSDAY! And resurrected on Sunday (Mark:16:9).
Mark:16:9 emphatically states that Jesus Christ was resurrected on a Sunday:
KJ- "Now when Jesus was risen early the first day of the week..."
NKJ- "Now when He rose early on the first day of the week..."
NLT- "After Jesus rose from the dead early on Sunday morning..."
LB- "It was early on Sunday morning when Jesus came back to life..."
PME- "When Jesus rose early on that first day of the week..."
RSV- "Now when He rose early on the first day of the week..."
NIV- "When Jesus rose early on the first day of the week..."
JB- "Having risen in the morning on the first day of the week..."
NEB- "When He had risen from the dead early on Sunday morning..."
So as you can plainly see, Jesus was resurrected on a SUNDAY. Please do not reject this simple truth. Remember what God tells us in Hosea:4:6—"...Because you have rejected knowledge, I also will reject you..."
And don't forget, as Luke:24:20-21 clearly points out, Christ was crucified on a THURSDAY.
@ Mike Exton, What Luke:24:20 clearly points out is a good example of translator bias going on with the original manuscripts. It occurs with other verses as well.
The New Berkeley Version in Modern English-- Gerrit Verkugl
"Moreover, three days have already passed, since all these events occurred."
The Syriac New Testament Translated Into English From The Peshitto Version -- James Murdock
"...and lo, three days have passed since all these things have occurred."
When a person understands that during Christ's time, the Bible supports the knowledge that those people talked of days inclusively rather than exclusively as we do now. Seems to me, there are two basic views of Luke:24:20 and one of them is translator bias.
The argument for a Wed crucifixion is solid and people will make conclusions according to their own bias too.
@ Ivan, Imo a person would have to do too many mental cartwheels to land at the conclusion that somehow the resurrection of Jesus adds credence to the weekly Sabbath. I believe that follows a similar kind of reasoning that somehow Sunday is now the authoritative day of worship for Christians. Nether of them have much to stand on in my view.
To Norbert Z,
So you're saying that the translators of the KJV, NKJV, RSV, NIV, PME, NLT, GNT, ASV, CEB, CJB, RHE, GW, HNV, CSB, LEB, NAS, NCV, NIRV, NRS, DBY, MSG, WBT, TMB, TNIV, WNT, WEB, WYC, YLT, and just about every other translator in the entire world translated Luke:24:20-21 the way they did because they were biased towards a THURSDAY crucifixion???!!!
As I stated in an earlier comment, please do not forget what God tells in Hosea:4:6 (NKJV): "…Because you have rejected knowledge, I also will reject you…" Rejecting what God clearly says in His Word is not something that should be taken lightly.
Mike Exton, I stated that translator bias exists and provided evidence as proof; that people read different things into other peoples words. Similar to suggesting my comment could imply that the translators were specifically biased towards a Thursday crucifixion.
I assume you understand the difference between inclusive and exclusive passage of days. And what that does with a verse like Luke:24:21.
Besides if the precedent of having a majority view is always the correct and valid one, then the verses quoting Jesus' statement about the sign of Jonah should be blotted out from the Bible. Seeing most people believe Easter provides a valid timeline.
People trying figure out where to stand on the question of "How Long He Would Be Entombed?", need to examine all arguments made for those events. Not only here on the UCG website, but investigate plenty of others with an opposing argument. Then come to their own conclusion.
The way I see it, Hosea:4:6 is NOT relevant to this discussion, there's plenty of knowledge freely available online. However 1 Tim:1:7 is appropriate, "desiring to be teachers of the law, understanding neither what they say nor the things which they affirm"
@ Mike Exton,
"'[He was] condemned to death and crucified'" (Luke:24:21b NKJV). "'But [1] we were hoping [2] that he was [3] the one who was going [4] to redeem Israel. But in addition [5] to all these things, this is the third day [since] these things took place'" (Luke:24:19-21 LEB 2010).
[1] "moreover" (Biblos Interlinear: Westcott-Hort 1881); "yet" (Scripture4All Interlinear: Scrivener Textus Receptus 1894)
[2] "were hoping"—imperfect indicative active tense (WH); "expected" (TR)]
[3] "is"—present indicative (WH); "is" (TR) [the Messiah]
[4] "is about"—present participle active (WH); "one being about" (TR)
[5] Translating the word 'alla' (S235) can be "difficult, Luke:24:21…'but then there is this,' 'in spite of all this,' 'too,' 'into the bargain,' 'this, at any rate, has taken place'" (Darby, "Greek Participles and Prepositions"); "Indeed" (NKJV), "And" (ERV 2008), "Besides" (HCSB 2009), "But" (LEB 2010), "Yes" (ESV 2011), "Anyway" (Voice 2012); "otherwise, on the other hand, but" (Luke:24:21, Biblos Bible Lexicon). A positive rendering breathlessly anticipates the possibility of present fulfillment. A negative one highlights hopes dashed because the days have passed.
Thank you Ivan Veller. That puts it in summary as best as one can put it. People can get so hung up on one view that "scotoma" takes place and prevents the mind from seeing what is before one's eyes. Those disciples were indeed sad and forlorn for an excellent reason. I think only one as loving as our Master/kinsman Redeemer/King would take the time to address those two and their very broken hearts in order to mend them. People today can't quite understand the depth of their anguish and loss as they contemplated the past years following this young Jewish Rabbi only to see it all end so "tragically" and now, three full days having passed, totally in their eyes...
@Mike Exton,
Re: "just about every other translator in the entire world"
• "'three days (have passed) since all these things were done'" (Etheridge 1849, Aramaic [Eastern] Peshitta NT).
• "'three days have passed since all these things have occurred'" (Murdock 1852, Syriac [Western] Peshitto NT)
• "'việc xảy ra đã được ba ngày rồi'" (Vietnamese Bible 1934).
• "'Moreover, three days have already passed, since all these events occurred'" (Verkugl 1959, New Berkeley Version in Modern English)
• "'con tutto ciò son passati tre giorni da quando queste cose sono accadute'" (Conferenza Episcopale Italiana 1971).
• "'Pero ya hace tres días que pasó todo eso'" (Dios Habla Hoy 1996, Sociedades Bíblicas Unidas).
• "'Till allt detta kommer att han redan har låtit den tredje dagen gå, sedan detta skedde'" (Svenska Folkbibeln 1998, Stiftelsen Svenska Folkbibeln).
• "'Voilà déjà trois jours que tout cela est arrivé'" (La Bible du Semeur 1999, Biblica).
• "'já faz três dias que essas coisas aconteceram'" (Portuguese ERV 1999, World Bible Translation Center).
• "'ya hace tres días que sucedió todo esto'" (Nueva Versión Internacional 1999, Biblica).
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• "'Pero ya hace tres días'" (Traducción en Lenguaje Actual 2000, Sociedades Bíblicas Unidas).
• "'all these things since days (have passed) three'" (Younan 2001, "Peshitta Aramaic/English Interlinear NT").
• "'с тех пор прошло три дня'" (Russian ERV 2007, World Bible Translation Center).
• "'Nosotros teníamos la esperanza de que él iba a ser el libertador de Israel, pero ya han pasado tres días desde que sucedió todo esto'" (La Palabra 2010 [versiónes española y hispanoamericana], Sociedad Bíblica de España).
• "'不但如此,而且這事成就,現在已經三天了'" (Chinese Union Version M.P. 2011 [simplified and traditional versions], Asia Bible Society)
• "'những việc ấy đã xảy ra ba ngày rồi'" (Bản Dịch 2011, Bau Dang)
• [Footnote: "Codex does not have 'today'"] "a.路加福音 24:21 有古抄本没有"今天" (Chinese Standard Bible 2011 [simplified and traditional versions], Asia Bible Society)
• "'Nosotros teníamos la esperanza de que él habría de redimir a Israel. Sin embargo, ya van tres días de que todo esto pasó'" [Updated from: "'hoy es ya el tercer día'" (Reina-Valera 1995)] (Reina Valera Contemporánea 2011, Sociedades Bíblicas Unidas).
Here's our recent Beyond Today broadcast on the topic: http://www.ucg.org/beyond-today-program/doctrinal-beliefs/three-days-and...
Intriguing conversation! I see great points in everyone's arguments. On the surface there appears a contradiction in the scriptures:
1) A full 3 nights and 3 days from Wednesday would have Jesus rising at about sunset on Saturday
2) Cleopas and the other disciple, as they talk to Jesus on their way to Emmaus on a Sunday, seem to say in Luke:24:21 that it was 3 days ago (Thursday) that Jesus was crucified.
Either way, I don't see how anyone can get a Friday crucifixion out of this, so I won't even go there.
This isn't a firm assertion, but I wonder if the intended recipient(s) of the main scripture in question (both in Luke 24 and Mark 16) has something to do with this?
The scriptures give details of the last week of Jesus's life in Jewish terms, giving information about the Passover, Feast of UB, Preparation Day, and Sabbath(s). Yet, the audience of both Mark and Luke is primarily Roman and Gentile.
Is it possible that we're all correct here? That Jesus actually rose at sunset on Saturday (the last moment of the Sabbath), but that the writers explained the timing in terms with which the Roman/Gentile audience would have been more familiar?