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By NCTM
President Linda M. GojakNCTM Summing Up, March 4, 2014
One of
the highlights of my work as president has been meeting teachers of mathematics
in kindergarten through college from all around the country. It is immediately obvious
that they care deeply about their students. It is also evident that in this era
of high-stakes tests, teachers are worried about how decisions made by elected
officials will affect their ability to do what is best for students and their
own futures. The role of classroom teachers and other educators must include
advocating to decision makers on behalf of their students, themselves, and their
advocacy is one of the Council's strategic priorities, it is sometimes
overlooked because NCTM is first and foremost an organization of teachers for teachers. But if we are to live up to our mission to be the
public voice of mathematics education, we must advocate for our members—and our
members must advocate for themselves and their students.
NCTM's members
and leaders tend to think in terms of what the Council can do for them and what
will help them in the classroom. This assistance usually takes the form of
classroom resources, such as the books and practitioner journals that NCTM
produces. However public policies have a great effect on teachers and their
classrooms. These policies are developed and enacted through a process that
NCTM influences as an organization, and that NCTM's individual members can also
into the policy arena might be uncomfortable for some of us because we think of
ourselves as professionals who have been educated and prepared to be teachers,
not advocates. Over my two years as president, I have gained a greater
appreciation for how much influence a single effective advocate can have. I now
have a much better understanding of how powerful the teacher's voice can be—not
just in Washington, but also in states, and at the local level, with school
boards, administrators, and parents. Reaching each of these groups is important
for effective advocacy.
should teachers be advocates? The growing public focus on assessment and
teacher preparation has brought more attention to teachers, and some of that
attention can feel like criticism. Unless teachers have an effective voice in
developing policies, more and more teachers will feel as though something is
being done to them rather than for them, and that it is happening without
having any say or involvement in the decisions that affect their life's work.
this may seem to be a somewhat teacher-centric view of our education world, we must
recognize that however important the effects of policies are on us as teachers,
the consequences that they have for students are even more important. Didn't we
become teachers to help students? We can advocate for ourselves as teachers,
but ultimately what we stand for and should advocate for is what is best for
the education of our students.
are many ways to advocate. You don't need to be a high-powered, highly
compensated Washington lobbyist to have an impact on policy. In fact, few
things are more powerful than a first-person success story from an individual
teacher. That is why you hear stories from teachers who testify on Capitol Hill,
and why they get the attention of elected officials and the news media.
don't have to go to Washington to be heard. You can write or call members of
Congress or your state representative. Every constituent has a voice and each
one is listened to. This is true whether you are in Washington or in your home state.
Although some issues are federal issues, many decisions that directly impact
school districts are made at the state level. To have an influence on how your
representatives vote, find out who the key players are on the issue and offer them
your own perspective as a teacher. Remember, you are an expert, and you know
best what works in the classroom. Tell them your story and the stories of your
students. Remember that there is strength in numbers. If you can persuade a
group of your peers to join you in writing and signing a letter, your voice will
be amplified. And if you have a state Affiliate that can speak as a group, your
point of view will be listened to in a different way.
Much of
NCTM's advocacy is done in Washington at the federal level by leadership and
staff of the Council. NCTM has also produced an online advocacy toolkit to help individuals have an
impact on education policy. It includes a communications guide with basic
information on how to begin communicating with policymakers and the news media,
NCTM's Legislative Platform, information on NCTM positions, and resources to help
you find and contact your members of Congress. A quick Google search should provide you with the
names of state and local officials as well as opportunities to receive e-mail
notifications of issues that are important to you.
from one of my highly respected professional peers, I will add that another way
of explaining why we should be advocates is that if we're not at the table, we
might be on the menu. The absence of the teacher's voice from policy debates, expressed
either by individuals advocating for teachers or by NCTM advocating on behalf
of all of us, leaves the door open to policies that will have adverse effects
on us as professionals, and more importantly, harmful consequences for our
speaks with the voice of its 80,000 members, and each of those members has a
voice of his or her own. I encourage you to use your voice to advocate on
behalf of education, your students, and the students of tomorrow.
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Euro takes a hit, A$ squeezed lower; Chinese data in frame
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By Chris Gore | February 8, 2013 9:24 AM EST
Euro falls as Draghi flags currency risk
As anticipated, much of the focus overnight was on the ECB policy decision, and judging by the Euro's response in the ensuing hours, it would appear President Mario Draghi has successfully navigated the Euro lower.
We noted in yesterday's report Draghi would likely 'keep mum' on his real thoughts of Euro appreciation, given the risk of being seen participating in a beggar-thy-neighbor policy approach by pursuing a weaker currency. Still, Draghi was a little more forthright then we anticipated, noting that while Euro strength is a sign of confidence, it may impact negatively on the economy. He added: "We certainly want to see whether the appreciation, if sustained, will alter our risk assessment as far as price stability is concerned."
Although his language may not have shown any real aggression, the sentiment is clear - a strong currency is not on the ECB's preferred list of outcomes. The ECB's main refinance rate was held steady at 0.75 percent.
In response we've seen the Euro slip substantially across the board; with the benchmark EUR-USD rate falling from 1.3570/80 to lows of 1.3369. Solid losses have been clocked up across the board with losses against the Yen leading the charge lower.
It is, however, abundantly clear the Euro is in need of a sustained reprieve after a period of mostly one-way activity, but value traders, short-term weakness may only strengthen the case for further upside. Markets have a tendency of pricing in extreme case scenarios, and while the same could be said for the upside, it's would appear Draghi's comments have provided an excuse to take some profits of the table. Clearly there is a risk of downside momentum gaining pace, but for now we judge the Euro's fall as a 'bit of froth off the top.'
Across the majors, the most pronounced losses overnight came from the Kiwi after a less than inspiring jobs report, while sterling bucked the trend as traders responded to parliamentary testimony from incoming Bank of England Chief Mark Carney. The Yen continued to consolidate stronger across the board and the Aussie maintained a losing trajectory.
A$ at 3 ½ month low; Chinese data eyed
The local unit remained under pressure overnight with moderately negative risk trends and residual risk currency weakness encouraging further downside. Yesterday's labour market report failed to inject any new life into the Aussie, and although the headline rate and net job's growth beat expectations, the finer points disappointed. The Australian workforce grew by 10,400 in January and the official unemployment rate held steady at 5.4 percent. Still, the data showed a loss of 9,800 full-time positions was offset by and increase of 20,200 part-time jobs. How this affects the Reserve Bank's next policy decision remains to be seen, but for now we see this as a largely neutral result rather than the moderately positive one the headline suggests.
Supportive behavior noted in the latest 24-hours around 102.95 US cents was breached in recent hours with price action forging a fresh 3 ½ month low of 102.72 US cents. Should the balance of risk remain to the side caution, previous support noted around 102.3/35 and again at 102-figure should act as barriers, albeit temporarily.
Nevertheless, the downside inflection has been set and markets will now look to key events such as the RBA Statement on Monetary Policy and data from China to confirm or counter the trend.
Today's Chinese CPI release will be closely watched in the context of stimulus, and just how much scope the government has in resuscitating deficient areas of the economy. The headline inflation rate is expected to fall to 2-percent in January, down from 2.5 percent in December. Data on whole sales prices (PPI) will accompany the release.
Also on the docket is Chinese trade data. How China interacts with the rest of the world is a particularly important barometer for markets as a gauge of both external demand and domestic consumption. China's trade surplus is expected to have narrowed to $US24.20 billion in January, down from $US31.62 billion in December.
At the time of writing the Australian dollar is buying 102.8 US cents.
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REVIEW: The Devil Rides Out (1968)
Posted on Jul 28, 2012
Title: The Devil Rides Out
Year: 1967
Director: Terence Fisher
Cast: Christopher Lee, Charles Gray, Nike Arrighi, Leon Greene.
Satanism and Devil worship has been a popular topic for horror films since the genre's first exploration of its dark ways in Benjamin Christensen's 1922 film Haxan. The genre of occult horror saw a new golden age for itself born in the late 1950s and Hammer's 1968 film The Devil Rides Out is a product of this re-emerging genre.
Based on the classic novel by Dennis Wheatley, it's a relatively simple tale of good verses evil and the protection of one's closest friends against said evil. This basic skeleton allowed Hammer to show all sorts of exciting set pieces that gives the film its popularity. We are catapulted into the world of the wealthy upper class that appear to know just about everything there is about the dark arts.
Christopher Lee plays the Duc de Richleau, a character fighting on the side of good and someone who seems just as powerful as the foe he's fighting. It is however never truly explained so it's taken as given that it's just a hobby of his. The Duc and his friend Rex van Ryn (Leon Greene) are out to save their friend Simon from the clutches of evil as he's joined a local Satanism cult run by the maliciously slimy Mocata (Charles Gray). This is a world where idle hands have indeed made work for the devil and the sense that the characters are doing this out of sheer bourgeoisie boredom is something impossible to shake off.
The story then becomes a too and fro between who has power over Simon other fellow Satanist, Tanith, who has managed to fall in love with after a couple of minutes. This is then lavishly splashed with all sorts of dark monsters from a strange, chubby demon man with perfect teeth, a giant tarantula, the Goat of Mendes (the Devil) and the Angel of Death. These do however start to lose their shock value when it becomes clear that all of these creatures can be made to go away by simply throwing something at them …
This sums up the overall feel of The Devil Rides Out perfectly. It's an extremely fun film about something very dark and it's probably not so enjoyable if approached in such a serious manner. In fact it could just be a spin off of The Good Life, looking into Margo's friends outside Richard Briars and Felicity Kendal and that's even before Paul Eddington's character has appeared.
The end of the film seems tailor built to fit with the most literal deus ex machina probably ever used with the literal help from the hand of God and a spell that solves just about every problem from the villains to the deaths of characters earlier. This leaves a rather nasty aftertaste, especially with Lee's cringe worthy final line suggesting that God "is the one we should be thanking".
An enjoyable affair but perhaps one of the very few overrated in Hammer's canon, The Devil Rides Out is a mixture of the exciting and the preachy which makes it both great and flawed.
ADAM SCOVELL is a music student specialising in film music. When not obsessively watching and writing about film, he can be found playing jazz in seedy clubs and making short films found at www.celluloidwickerman.com
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U.S. on easier side of knockout bracket
ISTANBUL, Turkey -- After all the talk about who might have needed to, wanted to, tried to or managed to tank a game to end up on the easier side of the bracket for the knockout round of the 2010 FIBA World Championship, it turned out that winning was rewarded.
And probably no team benefited more from the way things shook out upon the completion of pool play Thursday night than Team USA, which has a fairly easy road to the semifinals.
Unless you ask the Americans.
Team USA opens with a game on Monday against Angola (ESPN2, 11 a.m. ET), which has won 10 of the past 11 FIBA-Africa championships and has gone unbeaten in its past 35 games in that tournament. However, it was the worst team at the 2008 Olympics, losing all of its games and finishing last in the 12-team field -- although it took great pride in losing by only 21 points against the Redeem Team.
In this tournament, the Angolans defeated Germany by four points and Jordan by 14, but they lost to Serbia by 50 and to Australia and Argentina by 21 points apiece.
"We know a lot about Angola already. They're a real athletic team, almost as athletic as we are," said Eric Gordon, who has emerged as the Americans' most prolific 3-point shooter and is second on the team in scoring, averaging 10.1 points per game.
Coach Mike Krzyzewski acknowledged he will consider tinkering with his starting lineup and his rotations, not getting too specific other than to say he will go back to making quicker substitutions, as he did earlier in the tournament.
If the Americans defeat Angola (past U.S. teams beat the Angolans by 46 points in 2004, 33 points in 1996 and 68 points in the 1992 Olympics), they will play the winner of the Russia-New Zealand game in the quarterfinals Thursday. Their possible semifinal opponents are Lithuania, China, Brazil and Argentina.
Here is a preview of all eight games in the round of 16, which begins Saturday (all times ET).
Croatia-Serbia (Saturday, 11 a.m.)
The Serbs, whose only loss in pool play was a double-overtime defeat against since-departed Germany, captured Group A by defeating Argentina 84-82 on Thursday night despite a 32-point performance from Luis Scola, the leading scorer in the tournament. They have played especially well since getting Nenad Krstic back from a three-game suspension for his chair-throwing role in a brawl against Greece in an exhibition game. And they came back from an early 13-point deficit against Argentina, getting a clutch 3-pointer from their leading scorer, Dusko Savanovic, with 18.8 seconds left to break a 77-77 tie.
Serbia has a very young and very balanced roster -- including three 23-year-olds and three 22-year-olds -- and its floor general is point guard Milos Teodosic, who plays for Olympiacos in Greece. The Serbs are coached by Dusan Ivkovic, who led Yugoslavia to the 1990 world championship title and then took over a national team program that was in tatters in 2007. They should have little trouble with rival Croatia, which finished fourth in Group B with losses to the United States, Brazil and Slovenia.
Greece-Spain (Saturday, 2 p.m.)
Undoubtedly one of the two highlight games of the round of 16 (Brazil-Argentina is the other), featuring two teams that entered the tournament as legitimate gold-medal contenders but faltered in pool play.
Spain was upset by Lithuania and France, while Greece was defeated by Turkey and Russia to finish third in Group C. The best matchups will be at the center position, where Marc Gasol will have to deal with the girth and physicality of Sofoklis Schortsanitis, and at point guard, where Spanish sensation Ricky Rubio will be matched against the quietly efficient and crafty Dimitrios Diamantidis.
The key to this game could be Spain's ability to stop two key Greek players: shooting guard Vassilis Spanoulis, who is averaging 14 points per game and shooting 53 percent from the field; and power forward Ioannis Bouroussis, a good rebounder with a strong inside/outside game. Gasol is shooting 62 percent from the field, and Rubio is ranked third in the tournament in assists with 31, trailing only Brazil's Marcelo Huertas (33) and Argentina's Pablo Prigioni (32).
Australia-Slovenia (Sunday, 11 a.m.)
While having dinner the other night with Slovenia's Bostjan Nachbar, who I got to know well during his time with the New Jersey Nets, I asked him to pick his sleeper team to win it all, and, naturally, he picked his own team.
The Slovenians went through some internal problems earlier this summer when Beno Udrih quit the team because coach Mehmed Becirovic planned to bring him off the bench behind veteran Jaka Lakovic. But Lakovic has been a clutch shooter in this tournament and forms one of the better backcourts in the field playing alongside Goran Dragic of the Phoenix Suns.
Australia finished third in Group A but lost by only two points against Argentina. Speedster Patty Mills has been its leading scorer and alpha dog, and big man Aleks Maric (who plays for the Greek club Panathinaikos) could be the X factor if he and center David Andersen can outplay Primoz Brezec. Australia is coached by San Antonio Spurs assistant Brett Brown.
France-Turkey (Sunday, 2 p.m.)
You could build a pretty good team with the French players who are not here, including Tony Parker, Joakim Noah, Mickael Pietrus, Rodrigue Beaubois and Ronny Turiaf. But Les Bleus have been doing quite well with the team they do have, the highlight being a six-point victory over Spain on the opening night of the tournament.
Nicolas Batum and Mickael Gelabale have played well, but Boris Diaw (34 percent shooting, 2-for-14 on 3-pointers) has not. They will have their hands full with a Turkish squad that is one of only three undefeated teams, and the Olympic Dome will be filled with 15,500 Turks vocally supporting a team that handled Greece, Russia and China with relative ease, playing its lone close match against since-departed Puerto Rico.
The team has been led by Ersan Ilyasova of the Milwaukee Bucks (shooting 60 percent on 3s) and big men Semih Erden and Omer Asik, both of whom were second-round NBA draft picks in 2008. Hedo Turkoglu is only fourth on the team in scoring (9.9 ppg) and is shooting only 32 percent, but he has been a floor general from the point forward position with a team-high 20 assists.
Angola-USA (Monday, 11 a.m.)
You never know quite what you are going to see from the Americans on any given night -- other than the offensive brilliance of Kevin Durant, the NBA's leading scorer last season. They are still adjusting their rotations and roles, and one has to wonder whether coach Mike Krzyzewski is holding back Kevin Love as his secret weapon.
This is the biggest mismatch of the round of 16 (the Americans are 35.5-point favorites), and it'll only be a matter of how long the Angolans can keep things close -- although Tunisia, probably the worst team in the tournament, managed to be within four early in the third period before the Americans pulled away.
What other teams will be watching is how well the Americans shoot against the zone, because that has been the key factor in almost all of their international losses over the past eight years -- to Greece in 2006, to Puerto Rico, Lithuania and Argentina in 2004, and to Argentina, Yugoslavia and Spain in 2002.
Angola features the oldest player in the tournament, 39-year-old guard Miguel Lutonda. It advanced from Group A by defeating Jordan and Germany.
New Zealand-Russia (Monday, 2 p.m.)
When you draw up a list of all the great players who are sitting out this tournament, Russia's Andrei Kirilenko -- the MVP of the 2007 EuroBasket -- has to be included. But American/Israeli coach David Blatt's squad has fared well without him, losing only once -- to Turkey -- and defeating Greece on Thursday night to end up on the better side of the bracket.
All of Russia's games have been close, none decided by double-digit margins, and incoming New York Knicks rookie center Timofey Mozgov has shot 63 percent from the field, second best in the tournament. Russia also is getting efficient production from center Sasha Kaun (61 percent shooting, 12.6 ppg) and small forward and ex-NBAer Sergey Monya (14-for-28 on 3-pointers).
New Zealand is more of a one-man show, as guard Kirk Penney (25.4 ppg) was leading the tournament in scoring over the first several days before Argentina's Luis Scola overtook him. The Tall Blacks enter with a three-game winning streak, having defeated Lebanon, Canada and France (by 12) after losing to Lithuania and Spain. Old favorite Pero Cameron, king of Indianapolis in 2002, is still with them. But NBAer Sean Marks has retired from international competition.
China-Lithuania (Tuesday, 11 a.m.)
The bookmakers consider this one the second-biggest mismatch in the round of 16. Lithuania is listed as a 13.5-point favorite against a China team that won only once in pool play, against Ivory Coast, but advanced on a three-way tiebreaker after Puerto Rico lost its finale against Ivory Coast.
Yi Jianlian is third in the tournament in scoring (22.5 ppg), one of only four players who averaged at least 20 points in pool play (the others are Scola, Penney and Iranian center Hamed Haddadi). Lithuania, which is undefeated at 5-0 like the U.S. and Turkey, will have the support of its rabid fans and comes in with a ton of confidence after having defeated Spain and France in pool play.
Lithuania plays as a team, but its go-to guy is Linas Kleiza of the Toronto Raptors, who is averaging 17.4 points and a team-high 6.8 rebounds. Center Donatas Motiejunas (Benetton Treviso), one of the top international prospects for the 2011 draft, is not playing for Lithuania. NBA washout Martynas Andriuskevicius is its 12th man.
Brazil-Argentina (Tuesday, 2 p.m.)
This game between two bitter, longtime rivals features one of the better subplots of the tournament, with Brazil being coached by Ruben Magnano -- the architect of Argentina's gold-medal-winning team at the 2004 Olympics and the 2002 runner-up team at the world championship (when the Argentines were robbed of the gold medal by a non-call at the end of regulation against Yugoslavia).
After losing Andres Nocioni to a sprained ankle on the eve of the tournament, Argentina has been leaning heavily on the low-post skills of Scola, who Brazil will defend with Tiago Splitter and Anderson Varejao.
Brazil will try to force an up-tempo pace as it did in its two-point loss to the United States, and it could come down to who gets a better game from its backcourt -- Marcelo Huertas and Leandro Barbosa of Brazil, or Pablo Prigioni and Carlos Delfino of Argentina.
Said Magnano: "Without a doubt, it is going to be a clasico on our continent."
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We were a military family, so DH and I definitely moved more than 20 miles away from where we grew up. Early in our marriage, we always thought we would return to AZ after retirement, where I was from. Later on in his career, we thought we'd end up in the D.C. area because of the job that he did in the military (assuming he would do something similiar as a civilian). We never thought we'd land in Northern CA, despite living here at the end of his career and liking it. One day we'd still like to go to AZ, but I don't know if we could ever sell our house here. That is ok, we like it here alot. DD1 is living about 25 miles from home. When she was applying for teaching jobs last year, she looked in about a 150-200 mile radius. She knew she didn't want to live in Southern CA, but was ok with the central valley all the way up to Lake Tahoe. DD2 goes to school about 60 miles away. Who knows where she will end up. She is a home body, so if she has her way, she'll be within an easy drive of here.
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Dh was active duty military too when we married. He said the LAST place he wanted to be stationed at was Hampton Roads VA, and where did his first ship take him? LOL? And where have we lived for 20 years LOL? He got a civilian job at a shipyard when he got out- and they've been very good to him. And at this point- with YDD a sophomore in HS, we aren't going anywhere.
It kind of hurt the IL's. Neither of dh's brothers moved very far away from their parents. And all of their kids are within a few minutes drive of them, so it kind of boggled everyones mind when dd decided on the private school 3.5 hours away. It was a good fit, and she seems to be enjoying herself there.
Will she wind up staying there? I don't know. Dh said that we really can't move until the girls are situated somewhere at least semi-permanant. Thing is- all we hear from the IL"s is "when are you moving here" (my family isn't an option b/c they live in TX and there is NO WAY we're going there LOL). If something happened to either of his parents (my mom is near my sister so she's ok),, I have a feeling it would fall to us to take care of them. SImply because I have the patience to do so :) I think MIL or FIL full time would drive my SIL"s nutso .
At least now they're discussing selling their 100 acre farm in the middle of nowhere. For a while there I thought they'd NEVER leave it- and we'd wind up having to live there b/c they were in a situation where they really couldn't be left alone with neighbors that are over a mile away from them.
YDD I'm not sure about. She's kind of a homebody, but in her eyes college is a LONG way off since she's only a sophomore.
|Mon, 11-12-2012 - 9:12pm
Doesn't fit into my family history, or that of my kids either so far. I've lived more than 20 miles from my hometown since I was 21. We've lived here in San Diego for 30 yrs so this is home now. Both kids live in other areas now. Ds lives in San Francisco which is near where I grew up (and about 400 miles from me) and while he likes it there, his gf does not. I think she would like to return to SD to be near her family. They may be able to find jobs here but I don't know if they will be able to buy a home, its pretty expensive...but where they are now (SF/Bay Area) is even more expensive. So I doubt that we would move back up north for financial reasons. Maybe I should amend that to say that if both kids lived in SF and I was alone down here, I might move to SF as I do love that city. Also dh's family is about 100 miles from us here and as his parents get older we don't want to be farther from them.
Dd is almost as far from home as she can get and be on the same continent! I suspect that she will eventually move back west to either L.A. or S.F. (San Diego is too provincial for her LOL). The novelty of the NYC winters has officially worn off.
I would like to stay in this house when we retire and ideally leave it to the kids. I thought that dh shared my opinion but he recently talked about moving to another country to retire, such as Mexico or Canada. If there is a strong economic case for such a move I guess I will have to consider it...but as I get older I get less adventurous so it will be a tough sell. Travel to other countries, great, but to live? I don't know...
|Tue, 11-13-2012 - 9:59am
Cheryl, where do your in-laws live? My uncle turns 95 this month and is still living all alone in their old farmhouse in WI, although they sold most of their land about 15 yrs ago. He cared for my aunt with Alzheimer's for about 10 yrs, but after a fall he had about 4 yrs ago, she had to move to a nursing home where she still is. Their closest child lives about 30 minutes from him--not too bad.
We moved slowly: 17 yrs after college in WI (1.5 hrs from my home town); 15 yrs in MI; and we've we've been here in the DC area for 5. DS23 is still in MI, but DS29 is only 15 miles from us, in DC. My mom is still in WI, with my closest sibling in Lake Zurich, IL. Another sister lives just 30 min. west of us, and my brother moved to FL in summer. We try to alternate visiting my mom (95 yo in an A/L apt with dementia, could never convince her to move close to one of us) so that she's not too lonely, but that means that all four of us rarely get together and we miss that. Having experienced that life for the past 10 yrs, we vow that we will move close to one of our boys--probably the one who decides to have a family first--whether or not they like the idea, lol!
Until they settle down, we'll likely stay here in NoVA. We really like Milwaukee and would like to escape the hot, humid weather here, but as soon as we got temps in the 40's the past couple of weeks, we agreed there was no way we would choose a climate colder than what we've got now.
Elc, funny your DH would mention other countries. My brother has also talked about that, as he has a friend who just moved to France. If our boys decide not to have children we might consider that, but otherwise we'd want to live close to them; I can't wait to be a grandma! I think I'm gonna go gray not only cuz I'm sick of the hassle of coloring my hair, but to give them a hint that I"m grandma material and it's time they settle down!
|Tue, 11-13-2012 - 10:04am
removed cuz double-posted.....I wish we could just delete a post when that happens.
|Tue, 11-13-2012 - 3:02pm
My IL live in southern Indiana. That's where dh's brothers (one- the other one is 3 hours away) live. It's a 10 hour drive one way. And it has driven me nuts for years that nobody comes out here- everyone complains about never seeing us, and that a large majority of our "vacations" over the last 22 years has been going to the IL's.
Moving there would solve that.
But I don't know- I kind of like this area. I'm over the obnoxious humidity and heat every summer. Yes we live near the beach, but it's a 40 minute trip one way to get to the one on base. Dd's school is in Lynchburg- about 3.5 hours away. And I think she likes the fact that she's "away", but can come home once in a while quite easily too.
We can't think about anything until dd graduates high school. And like I said- dh really doesn't want to move anywhere until the girls are "settled". Not to mention he likes his job at the shipyard, and I'm very, very, very thankful that it's not going away any time soon.
|Tue, 11-13-2012 - 9:02pm
I grew up in Providence, RI, went to college & law school in Boston, got my firs job in Providence, then moved back to Boston and have lived here ever since--I guess that's more than 20 miles, which is even more unusual for people from RI who never seem to move--although I did have a few friends from high school who moved to CA. My DD lives in MD but as of now I still think she would prefer to move home in a couple of years. I don't think DS will want to move too far away--as of now he wants to go to UMass--well that's well over 20 miles from home, probably more like 120.
|Wed, 11-14-2012 - 11:04am
|Thu, 11-15-2012 - 8:35am
Being the wife of a retired Navy officer- it just boggles my mind to think these guys act like they do. Sheesh. Makes me so mad.
The Psychology major in me knows that some women just love the guys in power, and the guys in power like having the ladies fall at their feet.
I know- so off the 40% topic.


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San Diego, CA (Sports Network) - Ryan Howard hit a two-run homer in the first inning and J.A. Happ did the rest, as Philadelphia's 5-1 win capped a three- game sweep of the San Diego Padres.
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It's a mystery you CAN solve: which of your hens is laying eggs?
I have two important tasks that I need to accomplish today: I need to make some peach pies, and I need to figure out which of my old hens are going to live, and which are going to die.
I'm looking forward to the pies. Not so much to the hen-culling decision.
It's an anxious day or two that I spend every year about this time. A good share of my faithful old laying hens are going to go into the freezer, and a few will be privileged to live another year. (Sigh.)
If I had my 'druthers and if money grew on trees . . . I'd have a chicken house with much different dimensions from the one that I have: it would be vast, with a high ceiling and several rooms. Big windows would let in lots of light, and mice would not be allowed inside, under no circumstances!
In this dream chicken mansion, there would be many rooms: one room would serve as the nursery whenever there were babies or mamas with babies, and the main room would be fitted with so many nesting boxes that no hen would even consider laying eggs on the floor or under the perch. Also, there would be a room big enough for a nice supply of hay, straw, and plenty of feed.
As long as I'm dreaming . . . there'd be a hydrant inside the coop, and there'd be a big sliding barn door that would make the periodic and required cleaning out of the used bedding as effortless as it possibly can be. Every few months, a kindly farmer would drive up and give me a gift of several months' worth of feed, just because he's nice and he likes me (hey–I could make him pies–peach pies!!), and I'd keep just as many chickens as I like, regardless of whether they are producing eggs or not.
That's the dream. The reality is that we built our own little coop many years ago, when we first moved out onto our acreage, when my dreams were much, much smaller. All I hoped for at that time (having just moved to the country from town, where chickens weren't allowed at all) was a small coop big enough for a few hens.
That's it. Incidentally, that's all we could afford to build at the time, anyway, so my good husband and stalwart sons built for me a nice little concrete-floored coop with one main room, with a very small room designed to hold garden tools or whatnot, also. Good husband Bryan was careful to make sure it was sturdy, and well-insulated, with windows and a screen door. I'm thankful for it, still, though it is very small, and very difficult to clean out, due to the complicated (I won't go into it now) door situation. But anyway. Still, I'm grateful.
As it is, the "tool room" quickly became the "nursery" where I could sequester new chicks or a broody hen wanting to sit on eggs, or even an ill or injured hen, when the need arose.
(If you're planning to build a chicken coop, keep in mind that you're going to need two rooms at times. You just are.)
But since Year One, I've always had too many hens for that space. Always. I try not to read the "suggested space requirements per hen" always mentioned in chicken books, because it only serves to make me feel guilty. My poor hens, bless them, have been crowded since Day One.
I'm not going to even tell you, Gentle Reader, right now how much space I have because it's an embarrassingly small amount, but I will tell you about how many chickens I have in that small space: in the tiny nursery space, I have about 25 pullets (they only spend the nights there, it's true, at least) and one broody mama sitting on 9 eggs. In the main part of the coop, crowd several roosters (at least most of them are little bantams), two guineas, one goose, and about thirty old hens.
That's a lot of chicken (and other) flesh for such a small space. You'll just have to take my word for it. At least they spill out of there the first thing in the morning and don't go back in until the last thing in the evening, with an occasional foray inside to lay an egg, or take a nap.
That lengthy and possibly-unnecessary and probably-tedious introduction is to explain the problem of those thirty old hens. I've made a date in a couple of days to take my 15 Cornish Cross chickens (which are outside in a temporary shelter, as pictured in this post) and 20 to 25 of my old hens to the butcher. Butchering the old hens–which range in ages from one to three years old–is what causes me no little bit of anxiety and guilt each year, but it's got to be done. I'm getting 8 or 9 eggs every day from those 30 hens, which (as you might guess) is not a great ratio. It could be worse, and it would be, if I let these old hens get any older.
Once this year's pullets begin to lay eggs (in about a month) I'll get approximately 25 or more eggs a day from those 30 pullets. I like that ratio much better. A typical hen lays an egg nearly every day for the first year, and then the number of eggs she lays go markedly downward.
So the hard thing for me to figure out every year, is which old hens are still laying eggs, and which are not. Some hens naturally are not as ambitious and will stop laying early, and some will continue to be productive layers through their second or even their third year. I really hate the idea of butchering a good layer, and I also loathe the idea of not butchering a hen who has decided to give up laying for good. Feed is expensive stuff these days.
Anybody with me on this?
So I've studied up on this matter through the years, and I'm come to this conclusion: if you really want to tell if your old hen is laying or not, her bottom will tell the tale. Now the following information (not to mention the photos!) are not for the squeamish, but I'm figuring that if you've read this far that you're really interested in the subject matter, ergo, my mentioning the parts of a chicken's bottom will not shock you. Are we ready to proceed? Yes? Okay, here goes.
First, there are other things to look for when you are wanting to cull non-productive hens, and I'll list those things here, before we get to the bottom of the issue.
- Feathers. The feathers of a laying hen should be dirty, worn, and ragged looking, since those hens are concentrating their energy on producing eggs and not on preening and replacing their dirty feathers. They don't spend much time in front of the mirror, per se. Makes sense to me! (I could think of a human parallel, if I wanted to go there.)
- Combs and wattles. A non-producing hen will have a scaly, pale, and shriveled comb and wattle, while a good layer will have waxy, full, bright red ones.
- Carriage. A good layer will be alert to her surroundings and not be listless and lazy. Her eyes will be bright and she should be relatively active (such as scratching in the litter, running around with her companions, etc.).
- Skin. Depending on when you check, and what breed of chicken you are looking at, a hen's skin should be bleached, while non-layers will have dark-pigmented skin.
Those four signs are good indicators, but you'll find that each one has its exceptions and oftentimes is vague or non-conclusive. That's why I continue to insist that the bottom of the hen tells no lies.
The bottom of a hen that is in production (in other words, she's laying eggs) is so different from the bottom of a hen who has decided to retire from egg production.
I spent a cozy hour in the chicken yard with my daughter Amalia the other day, showing her how to tell which hens were laying and which were not.
The drawing of the hen at the right shows a typical productive hen: she has a good looking comb and wattle, her vent (where the egg comes out, and also her droppings) is large and moist; her abdomen is large and soft, and the pubic bones are wide apart.
Now for comparisons' sake, I started with one of my young pullets, because I knew for a fact that this young chicken hadn't laid a single egg yet.
We'll call her Pullet #1:
You can see, along with the usual rather startled and vacant expression on this pullet's face, that her beak and the skin around her eye has lots of yellow coloration. Once she begins to lay eggs, it will quickly fade to white.
Her feet are also quite glossy, thick-skinned and yellow. This yellow coloration will quickly begin to fade when she begins to lay, and then will be replaced when she stops laying. Pretty cool, eh?
I ruffle her soft bottom fluff and find the vent, with some difficulty, I might add. It is very small (about the size of a dime), hidden, tight, and dry. She has never laid an egg, it's pretty obvious.
Now I locate the pubic bones, on either side of the vent. They are so close together that I have my index finger on one pubic bone, and my third finger on the other. Bless her heart. Amalia murmurs sympathetically with the pullet, and apologizes to her that this picture will be on the World Wide Web within a few days.
We proceed to Hen #2:
You can see that the tip of her beak is faded and white. I suspect right away that she is a productive layer.
The bottom of her feet also indicate a productive hen: they are faded and a pale white.
You can't tell it very well from this photo (my sweet daughter Amalia, who took these photos is just a bit squeamish about the bottoms of chickens–we'll have to work on that) but this hen's vent was large (nearly the size of a silver dollar) and moist.
I can get three of my fingers between the pubic bones! I've found a productive laying hen! Hooray! She also has a sweet, docile nature, and I'll tag her to live another year. We bond.
To confirm my suspicions, I find that four of my fingers easily fit between the vent and the keel. She has a broad, large, soft bottom. (No human parallel here, either: is not my self-control admirable today?)
Okay, we'll go to one more hen, and I'll let you be the judge this time, Gentle Reader. She is the same breed as Hen #2, so they should be quite similar in build and coloration. This is a friendly quiz, and you'll find the answer at the bottom of this post. So this is Hen #3:
First, we'll look at the color of the feet. What do you think? Are they as bleached as the feet of the productive Hen #2? Or not? (Check the photo above.)
Here's her vent, which is smaller than a quarter, and is dry, and tight–not as tight as the pullet's, however. What do you say, Gentle Reader? Is she in production, or not?
My fingers are resting on the pubic bones. See how close together they are? I think you've probably come to the same conclusion that I have, but there's one more test:
I can fit only two fingers between the vent and the keel. What do you think?
Okay, I'll tell you. I chose this hen for comparisons' sake because I knew for a fact that she hasn't been laying all summer long. Instead, she has been broody and has been trying to sit on eggs for months. Once a hen goes broody (bless her, I know the feeling, I do) she loses interest in laying eggs and goes into a trance of sorts, sitting on anything or nothing, for weeks. So if you guessed that Hen #3 is not productive, then you're a pretty sharp cookie, Gentle Reader, and you've been paying attention, also.
Now! I've got to get busy examining all of my hens, but I'm going to wait until the sun is sinking and they are all half-asleep on their perches for that vigorous exercise. Much easier when they aren't darting away from me with shrieks of alarm. It may be a trick to get Amalia to help me again, though . . .
Of course if I make the peach pies, I'll have a bribe to offer and maybe I'll have more than one helper . . . but first . . . I think I'll go wash my hands . . .
I'm participating in The Prairie Homestead's cool Monday blog party, the Homestead Barn Hop today, so if you like to increase your knowledge of homesteading-related matters, hop right on over to that awesome website and fill your cup of knowledge!
Thanks for reading, Gentle Readers! See ya next time!
This post is now also joining in on the fun over at Frugally Sustainable's Blog Hop, Frugal Days, Sustainable Ways. Check it out, if you'd like more homesteading tips!
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59 thoughts on "It's a mystery you CAN solve: which of your hens is laying eggs?"
Susan Dusterhoft
Sounds like you're having quite the adventure. Hope you can get through your day quickly!
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Alexandria Ingham
I've never had hens or any animals really, except the odd pet. I've not even started to grow my own vegetables yet! Good luck at finding the eggs that are and aren't laying eggs.
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My mom use to do this on a yearly basis too. I hated this time of year because of the butchering. I wish I could say it was in defense of the poor dear chicken but it was because of the smell of wet feathers and picking them off the chicken. But I did enjoy the eating of them. Good luck on your culling.
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Anita-Clare Field
Goodness, I love learning new things every day, I can now pass the 'Chicken bottom quiz' with flying colours. Now, what to cook??
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Amy, You never disappoint. I have never lived on a farm or for that matter been around chickens but you bring them to life. Your knowledge & compassion for these creatures is noted. I cannot imagine what it is like for you during this time of year, but your wisdom puts food in the freezer, thus the cycle of life.
Without having to scroll up, I was able to determine (according to your information) that the last hen you showed was no longer a layer by the dry rough feet. It is sad that they recognize they are no longer laying and want to roust on other's eggs.
Thank you for this lesson. I always enjoy your contributions even if I am a suburbanite. I am hankering for a small greenhouse though.
This was a great lesson! Thanks! When hubby and I move up to our future homestead and get chickens, this knowledge will come in handy!
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Francene Stanley
What a thorough discussion on how to assess your laying hens. I always hated the part where I had to dispose of some of my clucking friends. We 'chickened out'. I took my nice hens to a local farm and brought others home from their freezer in one hit. They weren't my birds, so I felt a little bit better.
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Bee Girl
Wonderful post! Thank you so much for the information! Sharing this everywhere I can
Alana (@RamblinGarden)
Oh dear. My last chicken owning was over 25 years so I have no production hens to practice on. And I have a true confession": I didn't always get rid of my non productive hens. And another true confession – after one time, we had a local processing plant (which did chickens but not waterfowl) process the chickens. It was so much easier that way. As for the "telltale signs" I knew about the beak and the legs. I chickened out on the "bottoms up" test. Thank you; this post actually brought back a couple of memories which allowed me to fly…er, sprint to the finish line of CampNaNoWriMo this evening.
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Taylor-Made Ranch
We are brand new to raising chickens and we're not even sure which ones are roosters and which ones are hens. We have Ideal 236 and Black Minorcas. They won't be old enough to start laying for a couple more weeks so hopefully we'll be able to figure it out then. We know from the cock-a-doodle-doo that we have one rooster, but the sad croaking of one we *thought* was a hen due to the difference in tail feathers & body may indicate she's really a he as well! Time will tell. Thank you so much for sharing! (visiting from the Homestead Barn Hop)
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Suerae Stein
So, tell me, Amy, if a hen goes broody, does that mean she's depressed? Is it a kind of menopause for hens? I hope it is so I will feel better about her end of days. I am impressed with your expertise on hens. I don't think I could stomach that part of farm life, though. I would become broody myself. But I could definitely stomach those peach pies!
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Thanks for this very informative blog – I do not have chicken as of yet but am trying to learn as much as I can about them. This was wonderful and in terms that I could understand.
Cathy Owen
This was extremely informative and the pictures made it "Who is laying for dummies' – aka… me! I have leghorns as pets and don't plan to remove the non-layers – at 65, they may out live me! My grandkids and friends join in our enjoyment.
Thank you and your photographer daughter — for the excellent presentation! How about a peach pie recipe???
I'm so glad we didn't have to check the Cornish Cross. Ugh!
very useful information !!! my chicken situation sounds a lot like yours … and your dream sounds just perfect to me we are planning a bigger, nicer chicken coop for the winter and some of our hens will have to go before that too. I don't know how to make that decission yet :S
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THANK YOU for this information! I just bought some 1.5 year old hens and figured I'd keep them until the chicks grew up but I'm only getting between 1-3 eggs out of 5 birds and I'm trying to figure out who is laying. Wasn't sure how to go about it.
Awesome post!!! Thanks so much I really need to go through our flock and do this. But I do have a chicken question??? We have some Seramas separated off from the pasturing flock (my daughters show birds) that are with a Serama rooster. They began setting on 2 nests and never hatched anything so we removed the eggs. Will they start laying again?? They aren't very old I would hate to loose the possibility of not hatching anymore of their chicks.
Thanks for your time and all the great info Dayna
We are starting new again this year. I will have to start checking next year.
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Thank you for your very helpful post! I found you from the Barn Hop last month and made a mental note to revisit here when the time came. We're butchering chickens tomorrow, including 6 newly-determined non-layers.
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Peggy Morris
You took the words right out of my mouth: "I really hate the idea of butchering a good layer, and I also loathe the idea of not butchering a hen who has decided to give up laying for good. Feed is expensive stuff these days." This is exactly what we have been going through. We have been at it for three years now and still have some of our first girls! We realized our mistake too late this past year and now know we should be replacing them on a regular basis. Today we have 17 girls and got one egg….some days three or maybe four but it keeps going down. It's time! I had a million excuses….it's the changing weather, they are moulting, they don't like the chain saw running and so on. So we are going to keep the few that are still laying and butcher the rest. I was elected to do the checking! That's ok with me! Don't want the other job. Hubby and son will do that as son will be butchering his meat chickens this week (at his house) thank you! Thanks for the information….by what you taught, I think I already know what ones we will be keeping.
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I'm a little upset with you for culling your hen just because she's broody! Have you attempted to get her out of the broody trance? We have a hen that gets broody but I can get her out of it by removing her from the nest and if all else fails cooling her off in a bucket of water. Much better then culling her! Don't get me wrong I understand culling unproductive hens but not if you haven't tried to solve the broodiness.
Thank you for this informative article. I have to do this SOON but am so scared to find a bunch of eggs inside if you know what I mean! Could you come over to help? :o) Koddos to your photographer.
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What would a hen's bottom look like when she is molting? I have an older batch of hens that aren't laying at all (there is one with a nest elsewhere, however). If they are only molting but still capable of laying again after the molt, they would still exhibit the signs of a laying hen (I think). Are what you saying is that if their pubic bones are close, abdomen tight and small, etc, that you can be sure they're done laying for life vs just slowing down due to molting.? Just wanting to be sure I don't mis-diagnose and get rid of a hen that's only slowed down vs one that is totally done for good!
Thank you for your very informative post.
I was just talking with my husband about this today. I didn't know how to figure out my layers from the just eaters so I was going to borrow his game camera to see who is going in the nest and who is not. LOL Think I might try your method instead. Thanks for the info!!
I have been looking for this info for a long long time. Thanks so much for going through the trouble to write this. I have wasted so much $ on food.
got to do this right away.
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I am glad that I found this information – you are awesome – however that just means that my assumptions are correct and I have two that will end up being dinner instead of providing me breakfast. I am waiting a week and watching all of them to ensure that I am indeed correct with your information before culling. Thank you so very much. This was just the information I was looking for!
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My wife and i laughed till we cried because it was describing me. After 3 years and 40 plus chickens, my lovely and indulgent co-conspirator in life informed me that something had to go. Meaning me or some chickens. Being a big strong male, i knew i could butcher them( i had no intention of leaving). Two hours after starting she found me with one dead chicken and eyes swollen shut from crying. Thank the lord for amish neighbors. I give them one for every 5 they dress out. No one though will ever touch my bantams. Your blog is a treat.
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Dear Amy, my lovely wife and I found your blog while researching the lack of eggs from my girls. (I need to clarify something at this point. I'm a city boy, she's a country girl.) She knew what was wrong with the girls, I didn't. She makes me research this so I will know what's going on with them. That's how I found your site. I never ever respond to a blog till I found yours. She wanted me to tell you what compelled me to comment. Quite simply it was your amazing hands. My grandfather always said that eyes are the windows to the soul and hands will tell you almost everythingyou nneed to know about a person. What a blessed and lucky family you have. Yours most sincerely, Mark, from Ethridge, TN.
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I am having trouble determining…I have quite a few that will have large generally moist vents, but they will either have only 2 fingers between the pubic bones OR barely 3 between the keel and pubic. There doesn't seem to be any age connection either. Some of them are old (4-5yrs) and some are (1-3yrs). There are about 25 and I'm only getting 6-8 eggs a day. Would it make sense that many are still laying, but only 1-2 x's a week in an alternating pattern? Or the younger ones are molting? I didn't find any that had dry or small vents…ackk, what if I butcher layers or just taking a break…


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The ladder truck could be out of service for up to two weeks after it collided with a car while returning from a call about 5:40 p.m., according to District Fire Chief Al Poulin.
Police Lt. Michael Hurley said he doesn't expect police to issue any citations.
"At this point, it looks like the driver of the fire truck is going to be found at fault," Hurley said.
The fire truck had just turned left from Harrington Avenue to go north on Calef Road when the crash occurred, he said, adding there is a stop sign on Harrington Street.
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Meanwhile, a police cruiser with its emergency lights and siren activated collided with another vehicle at Beech and Bridge streets about 8:45 p.m., Hurley said.
Officer Michael Valenti was responding to an urgent call while heading south on Beech Street and collided with a 2003 Hyundai Accent driven by Joanne Lafleur, 63, of Weare, traveling west on Bridge Street. Lafleur was alone in her vehicle. Both drivers reported minor injuries. Both vehicles sustained front-end damage.
It was snowing at the time of the collision, Hurley said.
No one was taken to the hospital in either accident.
Poulin said the fire truck, which is based at the Merrimack Street headquarters, turned on to Calef Road.
A woman driving a car south on Calef Road "came up over the crest of the hill, couldn't stop and slid into the truck," Poulin said. "It was snowing pretty intensely; the ground was slick."
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The fire truck's bumper was dented on the driver side, and it might take one to two weeks to acquire and install a replacement, he said.
A ladder truck from the Mammoth Road station will replace the damaged truck. Poulin said the accident is not expected to affect response times.
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My wife and I are extremely happy EV owners. We regularly take road trips in our EVs, and we dont have range anxiety. We did when we first got the cars - at the time, we didnt know anybody else that owned one. It didnt take long for us to get over it, so we are confident that new owners will be fine with practice. But we are afraid that many potential owners are missing out on all of the advantages of driving electric because of this fear. Fortunately,
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Apr 14th, 2003, 07:51 PM
Do you think Elena Dementieva wins a tournament this year?
Apr 14th, 2003, 07:54 PM
It depends, she could easily win a tier 5 but then stepping down that low would not benefit her career, I think she has the ability to win a tier 2 or 3 definatly, but it really depends on her mental strenght. She has proved that she can beat the best when the pressure is off, but can she do it in a final.
Apr 14th, 2003, 07:55 PM
I really wish she would... so, it won't happen. Alyona will be a virgin all her tennis life. :sad:
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This year? No.
Were I her, I'd play the Tier V, play it SERIOUSLY, not like I'm a diva, win it, and get the monkey off her back. Then go win a Tier IV. Then a Tier III. Nice and orderly. There's more to winning than you know til you do it, in any sport.
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This year? No.
Were I her, I'd play the Tier V, play it SERIOUSLY, not like I'm a diva, win it, and get the monkey off her back. Then go win a Tier IV. Then a Tier III. Nice and orderly. There's more to winning than you know til you do it, in any sport.
i wouldnt got that extreme and downplay Tier V.......
unless Pattaya............
if i were her, i would be playing weak Tier I like Pan Pacific which she did,
or weak Tier II Bahai last yr where she could be seeded 3rd,
i would rather enter Tier I Tier II MD with direct entry
than to be seeded in Tier V.........
we have to remember that Dementieva's 1st big push
is to make US Open SF without being seeded,
so playing Tier II event without being seeded
is alway better than being seeded and play Tier V.
usually a Tier IV, V are scheduled beside big events,
i wouldnt do that, coz that would show my lack of confidense,
events like Sarasota is good coz that's a low tier
without being scheduled beside big events,
she is gonna win that kinda events,
but probably not anything Tier II+
Mr. Man
Apr 14th, 2003, 08:56 PM
Apr 14th, 2003, 08:58 PM
I don't think so...
Apr 14th, 2003, 11:57 PM
I bloody well hope so!!! :)
Dec 18th, 2007, 10:35 PM
Sorry, I just had to.
Dec 18th, 2007, 10:42 PM
I think she'll beat Henin and Davenport back to back in a few days but that could just be me. http://i13.tinypic.com/530bgci.jpg
Dec 18th, 2007, 10:49 PM
These were the Alyona days
Dec 18th, 2007, 11:37 PM
bless this poll...few days after this Elena won her 1st title.
Dec 18th, 2007, 11:39 PM
I am more than confident she will! Davai Lena!
Dec 18th, 2007, 11:51 PM
If she plays doubles: 90% chance
If she just plays singles, but plays some Tier III and Tier IVs: 70% chance
If she just plays singles, and her normal schedule: 50% chance
Dec 18th, 2007, 11:53 PM
Too bad ther's not an undecided option.:o
Dec 19th, 2007, 12:43 AM
:o at people not seeing the original date for this thread. She's got two titles in a season for two straight seasons, it's only logical she'll get at least one more in 2008, preferably the one in my avatar. ;)
Sammy 4 eva!!!
Dec 19th, 2007, 01:36 AM
Haha! Great Bump :worship:
Danči Dementia
Dec 19th, 2007, 01:47 AM
Hell yeah!!!!
She will win....definitely....and I really hope it will be a big one...or a medium one
Dec 19th, 2007, 09:18 AM
i think dementieva's ready for one more slam run ... i'd love to see her pop into the top 10 once again. I doubt Bartlio (sp) will defend her wimbledon final. and Dementieva has a lot of points to make up aka Miami and Indian Wells! (i think she was a semifinalist and a finalist in those events in 2006 so those are definitely big pluses! she might get a nice break)
Dec 19th, 2007, 12:47 PM
of cos she able to claim at least one title :)
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