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Tithing Workaround
I love the idea of tithing. It reminds me that money is just money–and if I can't give it away then I don't own it, it owns me. It's a wonderful reminder to set aside a percentage of my income to help those around me who are in a rough patch. It makes me a better person to think outside of myself and fight any latent financial greediness that might creep up on me in the long term.
At the same time, I've had a complex relationship with tithing the past three years.
Some background: I have told my husband that the money he earns can be tithed in whatever way he feels is right, and that I would tithe my own income according to my own convictions.
Usually, during these past three years, my conviction has been that I would not give my tithing directly to the church via slip and envelope–mostly because I felt uncomfortable with the possibility that my money could be used to financially support certain things that I find spiritually wrong and in much need of change. Instead, I have been taking approximately that same 10% and donating it anonymously to a particular family who was struggling or a particular cause that I felt inspired to contribute to.
At first, I thought I would feel incredibly guilty about this, even though I knew I couldn't bring myself to use the slip-envelope route anymore. I was afraid that I would feel guilt if I did, and guilt if I didn't! Double bind!
However, to my surprise, I really haven't felt guilt or shame at all (caveat: except for if and when my mother asks me pointed and specific questions that make me feel forced to hedge). On the contrary, I've felt more in touch with the principle of tithing than I ever have in my entire life. I think part of it is the knowledge that it truly is my very own absolute and very conscious choice–devoid of feeling obligated to do it because I have to or just because it was the thing that "is done".
Also, I've really had some wonderful experiences in the process of finding worthy causes and this has made me more open, to use my native Mormon parlance, to "promptings of the holy spirit." I feel, often, that my money may actually be helping many people faster and more directly than it could have if I had given via slip-and-envelope. It has been a good, humbling, bright three years.
Another interesting outcome of this system, for me, has been the realization that I no longer expect these donations of mine to give me any sort of "security" blessings. (I'll let you judge for yourself if you think that's good or bad. I think it was good for me, personally, for the following reasons.) We often hear or read articles in the Ensign about how, if one pays tithing to the church, they will be given a (probable) guarantee that they won't starve/lose their house/be unemployed anymore. I am, in no way, trying to say that these miracles don't happen–but I do know that they aren't a guarantee either. Not by a long shot.
I think that when I used to slip-and-envelope tithe, I always had that possibility in the back of my mind: "I'm giving this, but I'm totally going to get it all back in some way–whether financially or "blessings"-y. Maybe with interest!" This, ironically, actually made me more selfish and greedy, I think, since I expected to not actually have to lose any "net" income/blessings in the long run. Sometimes, I think, I even saw it as an investment plan. This is an easy trap that I believe many can fall into with some of the rhetoric that can surround this principle.
Now, however, I find that my donations are anonymous and freely given and nothing more. I don't expect to get any tithing settlement pat on the back like I used to, for example. This has been a good paradigm shift for me. A difficult one at times, but a good one.
Again, if you feel like I'm trying to say that anyone who pays tithing the traditional way has these same faults that I did, then please know that's not what I'm saying. I'm sure that there are many people who pay tithing to the church and never get any sort of "I get a gold star" feeling when they run through their contributions with their bishop (like I did). On the contrary, it probably makes a lot of really good people kind of uncomfortable, I'd imagine. I'm just being honest about how I felt and thought and I think that perhaps I may not be completely alone.
I'm also not meaning to degrade anyone else's experience with "traditional" tithing payment. I can totally get how many people find it similarly enlightening, an incredibly good cause (perhaps even the greatest cause), and a spiritual practice that makes them stronger. If the slip-and-envelope is your cup-of-tea, then kudos to you. Really.
But, if you're someone like me who has needed, at some point or another, to find a "tithing workaround," then I'm curious about what your solutions and experiences were. I'm wondering if I'm just a really, crazy-weird character or if this "personalization" might actually be more common. So:
Have you ever "personalized" (for lack of a better word) your tithing practices? How did you structure your tithe? For what reason did you create a workaround from the official routes? What was your experience with your workaround?
- 13 February 2012
50 Responses to "Tithing Workaround"
By donating to a family in need, isn't that more in line with what a fast offering is for?
Interesting idea. How do you handle tithing settlement? And taxes?
jm: I'm treating my contribs as both fast offering and tithing–as according to how I understand tithing (money used to help good causes). interested in your experiences though!
annegb: I'm honest in tithing settlement. I claim the donations I make to organizations that are tax deductible. Pretty straight forward. Though, my tax deductions have never actually mattered since the standard deduction has always been more than my itemized deduction. (If we had a child, we would be, what is technically called, "impoverished.") So goes the life of the academic.
While I still feel happy with my tithing money going to the Church, I have become more comfortable in using my fast offerings for other causes.
We had a wonderful experience with our bishop at tithing settlement in December. For some reason, I felt the need to explain something I found weird about how we paid tithing this last year, and the bishop shushed me and said, "I have never actually looked at the amount or frequency on the tithing sheets of individual members, and I never will. All I want is for you to tell me if you believe you have given a full tithe."
Ben: I totally love that! (Your fast offering idea and your bishop's response.)
I really hope to someday go back to paying tithe direct to the church, but I think I'll think about the fast offering thing as perhaps a more flexible option too.
I don't have anything to contribute, Apame, but I really like how you've outlined the potential benefits of not tithing to the Church. (Somewhat of a tangent, but it seems like tithing is exactly the type of commandment that's most likely to get warped by the Church. The money itself is crucial to the organization, so the organization naturally focuses on it a lot, regardless of how important a commandment it might be for our own development. I like how your approach pulls the two aspects apart.)
Thanks Ziff–I think that the potential for warping is a very important topic that really needs to be talked about too. I could understand someone who chooses to not tithe to the church for that reason only. It's a very fine blade for a spiritual organization to walk.
"mostly because I felt uncomfortable with the possibility that my money could be used to financially support certain things that I find spiritually wrong and in much need of change. "
What are these things?
interesting. we have converted to online tithing payments this past year directly to headquarters, and i'm much more comfortable not having the ward clerks handle/know payment amounts. another nice thing is that through LDS philanthropies, you can designate exactly how much of your contribution goes to well-water initiatives, newborn healthcare, etc, instead of the more vague categories on the slip.
Ooh, I love this topic because I required a 'workaround' as well. During a desperate time when God seemed to disappear, I thought that if I became extremely ascetic, God would notice my devotion and break his silence. One of my methods was paying 15 % tithing, plus fast offerings. It actually made me a little crazy, and also very judgemental. When I'd hear about people who only paid tithing on net, I'd feel angry that they didn't need to sacrifice as much as I did but still had evidence of God's presence.
I do realize I didn't *have* to do this, but at the time I was very orthodox and had always gone along with the 'a followed commandment = blessing' mentality, like you describe. This caused some problems (like a faith crisis!) when, surprise surprise, my asceticism did not bring what I expected.
Now, I give money directly to charities, families in need, or even my siblings at university instead of to the church. I too love the idea of setting money aside for others as a way to open our hearts because I really think it changes how I view money. However, I do hope we shift away from the 'guaranteed blessing' mentality as a way to encourage tithe payers.
Anita, that is an excellent point.
Apame, thanks for posting this. My husband and I have been talking about tithing lately. I want to talk to him about maybe doing something similar to what you've described, but I am not sure how to find organizations to donate to where the money will do the most good (won't go towards administrative salaries, etc). How did you go about finding "causes" that won't waste your money? If you've found some organizations that are good, would you mind telling what they are?
Whitney there are web sites such as Charity Navigator that rate charities based on how open they are about their finances and how much of the money donated goes to the cause supported (and not to administrative overhead):
Do you think that paying 10% towards sometime besides the Church tithing fund still allows one to keep their TR?
I would like to echo Ben P's comments from #4. The first tithing settlement with my current bishop, he asked if I was a full tithe-payer. I answered "yes". That was it. I had not made a single contribution through the ward envelope process that year, and my summary showed that. He had not looked at my slip, or if he did, he did not remember or care what it said.
I know this because we have since discussed donating stock directly to the church (this is how I tithe) and he had no idea that it could be done like that. The bottom line: the bishop wants you to declare your tithing status. That is it. If the clerks help you reconcile your many donations at the end of the year at the same time, that is OK too.
This is sort of like when a single person stands up at the basketball game, it works great, she can see the action much better. But if everyone stands up at the basketball game, there is no advantage to standing up.
So if a handful of Saints do tithing workarounds as a matter of principle, that's fine. But if everyone does it, pretty soon there's no more money to pay the utilities of the buildings that we use, etc.
My views have undergone a bit of a change over the last few years. I generally approach it this way – at the end of each year, if I have more in my bank account than I did at the beginning, the difference is my increase, and that's what gets tithed.
In practical terms, that difference is often negative, leaving me with no increase at all, so what I do is set a monthly allowance that I donate to a charity I feel is doing important work. (Love 146 is the one I currently donate to.)
Currently, I have just stopped caring about numbers and percents, income and increase. I give what I can where I can and where it is needed. The only real regulation is that anything I spend on frivolous things shouldn't exceed what I am giving to people in real need.
I know that that might not work for everyone, but trading what (for me) was an obligation in favor of (again, for me) a truly free-will offering has worked wonders.
As far as giving it to the church, I don't. Closed book finances, 3 billion dollars spent on a mall and 130ish million spent on charitable donations, tithing being a temple recommend question – all these things lead me to wonder if the Corporation is really using sacred funds in the best way possible. I reserve the possibility that there might come a sudden need for massive wealth to effect a great good in the world, but my doubts outweigh that thought.
Great post – glad to see I am not alone in seeking a creative and well-fitted approach to giving of one's substance.
Anita, how do you pay tithing online directly to HQ?
"I have told my husband that the money he earns can be tithed in whatever way he feels is right, and that I would tithe my own income according to my own convictions."
Well, if that works for you. But I would not be comfortable married to someone who tells me something about where our money goes. We discuss it and agree to whatever. Maybe you did discuss it and agreed, but what was written for us comes across as a unilateral declaration.
Also, the notion that one person has more right to spend the money that they happen to earn can be destructive to full partnership in marriage. Earning cash is just one way to contribute to the family's net worth.
I have never done a tithing work around. Never been bothered with the idea of local members of the Church (clerks, counselors, Bishops, Stake Presidencies – if they wanted) knowing the amount of my contributions. I have no problem with people paying in ways other than cash or check (like stocks, bonds, real property, precious metals, etc.). I think it's wonderful if people want to pay Church HQ directly.
But, my reading of the scriptures leads me to believe tithing is paid to the Church; historically to Melchizedek (don't believe he needed the money) by Abraham, or to the Levites under Mosaic law, or to the "storehouse;" or "put into the hands of the bishop of my church in Zion."
I think your experiences of finding others to help are genuinely beneficial to you. More of us should do that. But, I don't think that meets the definition of tithing.
I could be wrong.
Naismith: First, your comment isn't in line with the questions the post asks. I'm interested in your personal experiences with tithing "personalization," though.
Second, though I can tell that you're taking care to offer me the benefit of the doubt (for assuming that I rule my marriage/husband with an iron first…or something?), your comment initially comes across as being unfairly judgmental about the state of my marriage. An appearance of grasping at straw-sentences in the post to find something personal about me to critique. Whether you mean this or not, it's how it reads.
However, your point about the difficulties that may come up in a single-income family (who has the "right" to decide contributions, how could it be fair to both sides, etc. is valid) Jks refers to it below as well. This is an important topic.
Please be careful about assuming the worst about relationships in my own family, though. It's hurtful, misinformed, and definitely threadjackish.
American Eagle: I'm not going to go into my personal reasons because that isn't the topic of this post. But, I'd love to hear about your thoughts and experiences with tithing.
Anita: That sounds like an interesting possibility. I'd also like to hear more about how that is done.
May: I completely agree that there is something a little circular/nonsensical about framing charitable donations as a guaranteed personal benefit. Kant wouldn't be pleased. I really thought your above-and-beyond-the-norm experiences were eye-opening too. Thank you!
Whitney: Katya's link is a great resource. As for me, most of my donations have actually been anonymous and to families I knew personally, or my own city's food bank. One month I gave my contribution to a Japanese earthquake fund. It seems to change every time.
JohnE: I believe, like others have said before, that that's a really personal thing. Also, not really on topic with the point of the post. Perhaps for another discussion on TR interviews?
El oso: I really appreciated your comment. This has been my experience as well. I feel like perhaps I should specify that by "gold star" feelings, I meant that I would give myself that gold star. I've had bishops say "thank you" for claiming full-tithing, but never anything like, "Sister, A+ for you!" I think, though, that the A+ comment could actually happen in many other wards–the cultural and doctrinal pressure and baggage are there to make it possible.
Kevin Barney: Interesting point. I don't think that every member in the world would stop paying tithing to the church proper if suddenly given the option not to. They probably would continue giving traditionally because the church is so important to them.
I also understand the idea of seeing tithing as a sort of infrastructure tax–if you use the roads then you should contribute to their upkeep. I'm still trying to parse that one out in my personal choices. I try to donate my time to cleaning our building, for example. But, I still feel uncomfortable paying via envelope for other reasons.
prometheus: Well, hey thanks. And thanks for telling me about your experiences and thoughts. I agree that making monetary donations a requirement to saving ordinances is…fraught…at the least. I think this is something that really needs to be reconsidered or reviewed or reformed or something. It is unsavory as a concept.
mondo cool: I appreciate your thoughts. I understand how you are reading the scriptural definition of tithing and I totally respect your choices. Thank you for contributing to the discussion.
So you have replaced tithing with general charity rather than the charity in addition to tithing or the tithing instead of charity that Christ condemned when he referred to the Pharisees who paid tithe of mint and other herbs but missed the weightier matters of the law.
I'm still thinking on what you've had to say.
Apame, both your comments in OP and Ben P.'s resonate with me because I have had similar thoughts/conversations.
Much like Kevin, although I too have some concerns about how the money is used I pay it to the institution primarily because (like you mention) it is important to me.
President George Albert Smith, eighth President of the Church, was talking to a longtime friend after they had both attended a Church conference. The friend explained to President Smith how he paid tithing.
"'Well,' he said, 'if I make ten thousand dollars in a year, I put a thousand dollars in the bank for tithing. I know why it's there. Then when the bishop comes and wants me to make a contribution for the chapel or give him a check for a missionary … , if I think he needs the money, I give him a check. … Little by little I exhaust the thousand dollars, and every dollar of it has gone where I know it has done good. Now, what do you think of that?'"
Had this man paid tithing? Why or why not?
President Smith answered him: "I think you are a very generous man with someone else's property. … You have not paid any tithing. You have told me what you have done with the Lord's money. … You have taken your best partner's money, and have given it away" ("The Story of a Generous Man," Improvement Era, June 1947, 357; see also Sharing the Gospel with Others, comp. Preston Nibley [1948], 44–47).
Anony Mous: Interested in hearing about your personal experiences with tithing…as I specified…in the original post…
Also, please refer to our comment policy regarding thinly veiled, patronizing critiques of others' personal righteousness. This isn't the place.
Aaron R.: Thanks for contributing! Appreciate your thoughts.
Stephen M: I don't really follow your question (sorry), but if you're asking me to line out the doctrinal reasoning behind my choice, I'm not going to because that isn't the point of my post (and I suspect others want me to so they can just have an off-topic mud-fight. Not that that's you, but I'm just avoiding it in general). I'm interested in hearing about others' experiences with tithing though, so please share. You're welcome to continue mulling with us.
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Whitney – #18: Instructions for paying tithing directly to church HQ can be found here: http://mormonlifehacker.com/pay-your-tithing-online/
I pay my tithing to Salt Lake for convenience sake. I do all of my other banking online, so it's just easier. I don't really have a problem with the bishop or clerk knowing how much I make, but it's a nice side benefit to keep that information private.
I have started a workaround with my fast offering, though. I can't fast because of a medical condition, so I never really gave a fast offering because I wasn't fasting. Then I thought about it and realized that I should give an offering anyway. Now I give a monthly donation to the food bank. I'm going to observe Lent this year as an alternative to fasting. So I'm looking for a charity to donate to at the end of Lent. (This was inspired by my Muslim friends who do something similar at the end of Ramadan.)
I think this is a great idea and more in line with what tithing was originally intended to be. Think of all the good we could do in our communities if we all helped each other out where we could. I also like the charity navigator site to find out the facts about where the money is going. I will talk to my husband about this and see what he thinks. Thanks!
Apame – In reading your post I found it slightly problematic that you tithe your income the way you want and he tithes his the way he wants. This is probably working out.
However, as a SAHM, I wonder what if my husband and I ever disagree and we split things up that way? In a way because I don't work we have to view all of his income as ours. So if we disagreed we would have to to halvies.
Many wives of husbands who don't want their spouse paying money to the church get to be full tithe payers by paying a smaller amount (or none at all if their husband's have that kind of power). Perhaps today is the same. So perhaps even two people with disparate incomes could do half and half and not stick with their actual income because the larger earner objects to something and doesn't want the money he/she earns to go there.
As for tithing. I love that I heard a talk when I was a kid about people who paid tithing instead of rent and got evicted. It gave me a testimony of doing what God wanted you to do even if you don't get paid in "blessings." So I think that helped with the guaranteed blessing payment mentality that people sometimes have.
Interesting topic, Apame! I hadn't really thought about other people doing this, too.
My relationship with tithing evolved a lot during my "leaving" period. I remember telling a friend some thoughts similar to yours in the OP, and that I was thinking of sending my "tithing" money to a charity instead of the church, but continuing to pay my fast offerings. She brought up the story in the NT about the woman that poured oil over Jesus' feet (or something) and how he rebuked his disciples when they were shocked at the waste that could've gone to helping the poor.
I'll be honest, I've never really gotten that story. (Add it to the list of bible stories that leave me troubled, right?)
We then had an interesting conversation in which (despite her best efforts) I became more and more convinced that subsidizing BYU tuition was NOT as important to me as making sure children don't go hungry.
I never felt confident enough to declare myself a full tithe payer after that (it still felt like a deception to me) and so that was the last year I had a temple recommend. And it was strange for me, because the principle of tithing (well, actually of sacrifice and the fact that none of it "belongs" to us anyway) has always been really important to me. I do think I lost a little bit with my decision. But I have to say, that I love the fact that the little hard pit in my heart that peeked out every time I wrote a tithing check is gone. Being true to yourself is liberating, even if you aren't entirely sure you're getting it right.
To each their own. I have serious issues with forking over money when I don't know where it is going. It is a widespread legit concern. I do not think that paying your tithing that way is "taking from the Lord". That sounds more like a jab at your righteousness for not giving the Church your money. It is actually very odd, because you would think that a truly charitable organization would just be glad you were giving so much to charity..nitpicking that it must go to their bank account or (dun dun dunn) you won't get to the celestial kingdom by way of the endowment/temple is just…emotional/monetary blackmail.
I'm not doing this instead of tithing, but I have started setting aside a small amount of money every month for some charity or worthy cause that comes my way, from food banks to Kickstarter campaigns. I try not to plan ahead what I'm going to do with it—thus far it's been more fun and rewarding to be a little surprised by what I come across.
One thing I do find frustrating about Mormons and tithing is that many Mormons won't make charitable contributions beyond tithing and other Church contributions. Tithing and fast offerings do support some good causes, but there are a lot of other worthy causes in the world that need support.
After the whole Prop 8 thing, I realized that I was boycotting Target, Chick-fil-A, and Salvation Army because of political reasons, and still giving to the church that was spending resources working against civil rights and other things I hold dear. Later, I realized that because the church is an all-male financial decision-making body they probably don't really want female-earned dollars anyway. I just feel I'm not called upon to contribute to that segment of the church. I do tithe in charitable contributions to the LDS humanitarian fund, Partners in Health, Rising Star Outreach, Village Health Works, Safe Homes for Children, the Liahona Foundation, Doctors Without Borders, and other worthy organizations. I tend to place feeding the hungry, clothing the naked, and healing the sick before other good causes, even those very dear to my heart like the hero-rat people who clear land mines, Shelter Box who provide tents for disaster relief. Those other causes I only give to from time to time when particularly moved. I'm very picky about effectiveness and low overhead in my charities, favoring those who cover their overhead by other means than my donations. I tend to pick charities who help those most vulnerable, in extreme poverty or hit by disaster or war. I do as much as I feel I can manage responsibly, and then a bit more, and some extra still. But it never does feel like enough when I contrast the state of global hunger with our own lifestyle. I started fasting one day a week and giving the savings to feed the hungry, too, because it feels more meaningful for me to do something constructive in addition to just sending money.
Here's the Partners in Health page for Friday Fast to Feed the Hungry: http://act.pih.org/page/outreach/view/personal/Tatiana
Here's our Facebook page: https://www.facebook.com/pages/Friday-Fast-to-Feed-the-Hungry/238040732907793
Anyone who would like to support us or join us in our fast is welcome.
Last year I got disillusioned by how little of tithing money is estimated to go to the humanitarian fund (the estimates I have heard are between 1 and 4%). With "caring for the poor and the needy" now being a mission of the church, and being so convicted that our generation has the potential to end global poverty, I wanted to see more church funds go to that life saving work. I really want to see the church live up it its potential of being "the Lord's kingdom on the earth" and don't see that being possible without more of the church's efforts going toward making sure that people are not dying the world over due to injustice, famine and disease due to lack of resources. However, I also recognize the tremendous good that the typical church programs have for helping people be sufficient and self-reliant and to get everyone involved in the work of meeting the needs of individuals, families and communities. I decided my personalized approach to tithing would be to pay half of my 10% to the general tithing fund and the other half to the church humanitarian fund. I've been using the online payment system and appreciate feeling like I'm tithing with conscience.
jks: Super good point regarding the way income should be seen in a one-income family. For the way things are with us now, this was the best solution, but in the case of a SAHF/SAHM, this could be a complicated and perhaps sometimes painful situation. When your money becomes moralized this can bring up really important questions regarding family finance and assumptions of ownership.
I already know what we would do, as a couple, because we already talked about it. And, I think that other couples would need to come to some agreement as well that honors both sides. How that would be done would be up to that couple, I think.
At any rate, I think your point about single-income "politics," to use the only word I can think of, is extremely important, complex, and can affect a vast spectrum of aspects in a marriage. I've read other posts that discuss this point in more detail, but it's good to bring it up regarding tithing as well (doing an FMH search on "finances" is a good place to start). Thank you for your comment.
Keri, Mammamia, Katya, Enna, Drft23, Descent: Thank you for sharing your thoughts and experiences!
I left the church many years ago. And I never had much of a testimony of tithing. For a long time, I was a) a poor college student, b) a poor sahm, and c) a bit selfish. It wasn't that I didn't want to donate to charities, I just…didn't. Somewhere along the way, I realized that I wasn't the person I wanted to be in that regard. So, I started making changes. Every year, I evaluate myself in terms of what I'd like to do charitably, what I can do, and what I did the past year, to see where I can improve. One year, I made it my goal to donate blood as often as possible. Most years, I don't have a set goal or plan, tho. I donate my time and resources to causes I believe in, through many different avenues. My main contributions go to my child's school, through the PTO and other fundraising. This year, I'd like to do even better, so I made the goal to donate to a "priority" cause each month. In November, it was for victims of a local disaster, which repeated in January, so my donation repeated. This month, it was to a cause near and dear to a friend that died. Next month, who knows? It will be to whatever cause pops up and makes itself known.
I do know that I have become quite disillusioned by the church's financial practices. Any so-called church or charitable organization that spends more on consumerist practices (City Creek Mall) than on truly charitable aid gets a lot of skepticism from me.
I have a background in psychology and sociology and it has been increasingly difficult to ignore the part of me that automatically notices advantages to the organizational/institutional church in various policies and mandates, especially financial ones. Wasn't tithing, as explained in the Old Testament, instituted to provide a living for the priests working full time at the temple? We have limited numbers of 'full time clergy' (ie GAs) to support and the church depends on some sneaky (to me) 'volunteerism' to cut costs (e.g. having Stake Presidents host visiting authorities in their homes to save on motel and restaurant bills, etc. etc. etc.), so why do they need a full 10%? Then there is the often huge issue of whether to tithe on gross or net, but that's another post.
Apame, your post really hit home for me because this year I have been considering donating 5% to church and 5% to well researched charities, or even donating all of my personal income's 10% to those charities. DH is the primary earner, a former bishop, and very committed to 10% tithe to the church so from my own very different perspective, the church gets plenty from us for buildings, temples, ward upkeep, and everything else. On a related topic, I frankly resent the near mandate (BOLD font on tithing slip) for fast offering since the church surely has sufficient money to help our own poor. Wouldn't it be better to have us donate fast offering funds to the nonmember poor in our own towns? The response a reader made about church investments in shopping malls and the like underscore how rich the church is [other examples and associated rant deleted]. I believe that the church should be open with members about the church's finances. The secretiveness makes me wonder why those in charge feel a need to hide the financial records.
My personal experience with tithing is that I don't. For political reasons, for selfish reasons, and frankly, if I had continued to pay tithing, I never would have paid off my student loans if I had.
jks said, "In reading your post I found it slightly problematic that you tithe your income the way you want and he tithes his the way he wants. This is probably working out. However, as a SAHM, I wonder what if my husband and I ever disagree and we split things up that way?"
My mom was a SAHM mom and my dad was utterly against paying tithing (we were very poor, and he was not LDS), so he refused to let her pay tithing. However, she found other ways to donate her 10%–in doing extra volunteer work for the church.
Erin, I was good friends with a couple in a situation similar to your parents. The wife always brought lunch to the bishopric and clerks that stayed after on Sundays to count tithing or for other meetings as her "offering". I thought that was sweet…
1) We paid "tithing" by giving it to a family member who had lost her home and job in the recession. She was denied any welfare support from the bishop. (Long story, difficult and hopefully rare situation.) We prayerfully gave what we could, which ended up being our tithing money. We lived on the brink ourselves and had nothing else to give. This was the way we paid "tithing" for a few years until they got back on their feet.
I didn't know you could e-tithe to SLC. As a result of not turning in the grey envelopes, we lost our temple recommends and the rest of our family thinks we've essentially fallen from grace.
Getting back on the saddle since this episode has been very difficult.
Q: If you e-tithe directly to SLC, do you still get a year end summary for tax purposes, or e-receipts/confirmations? How does that work?
J.A.T., someone who's actually used it would have to confirm this, but I think I've seen at least one person who's done it say that yes, they do get the usual year-end summary for tax purposes. I'm trying it out this year, so I can tell you in about ten months. But seriously, I can't imagine that they wouldn't give you the summary. They want you to be able to claim the tithing as charitable contributions; it increases how much people are willing/able to pay.
J.A.T. – At tithing settlement, the form the ward clerk printed up was blank because I gave nothing to the ward. But I declared to the bishop that I paid a full tithe, and he marked his little box indicating that. (I did tell him that I paid to Salt Lake, but that really wasn't necessary, since the only question on the subject in tithing settlement and in a temple recommend interview is "Do you pay a full tithe?") I got a year-end summary from SLC which I used to do my taxes.
I do it all online and last month they sent me an email listing all donations
Kevin has a point—one of the great things about our church is that people pay tithing—more, I believe, than in others and so our bills are paid.
I don't have an opinion on what others do, I don't think I would do that, but whatever floats your boat. I wasn't asking if you were honest about tithing settlement (I assumed you were) but I was trying to figure out how it would work is all.
We itemize our deductions, so it's a big deal.
I disagree with some people here in that I don't have much problem with how the church uses the money. In fact, I decline to donate to a lot of charities in favor of adding to my donations, making it clear where we would like it to go. I had a bad experience with the United Way years ago. I think our church does a pretty good job of helping others and cooperating with other charitable organizations. I'm pretty proud of that.
Before you rip my face off with examples of where we DON'T do such a good job, remember that we are all human. No organization, no church is perfect and the idea that our church should do it all, perfectly, is what gets people into trouble.
I do think Bill and I should be giving more, though, to places like Kiva. On the other hand, as we near retirement, we're pretty poverty stricken. We've donated cash to a few local organizations, like the homeless shelter. One thing I do, too, which is really small, but lots of people could do, is give the shampoos, etc I get at motels to the womens crisis shelter. They need stuff like that.
I was actually a little bit surprised that Mitt Romney seemed to stick with a solid 10% for tithing. I know he gave large amounts to charities otherwise, but compared to how much he made last year and how much he's worth, it seemed a bit niggling.
PS: "However, I do hope we shift away from the 'guaranteed blessing' mentality as a way to encourage tithe payers." LOVE THIS.
I think we need to shift away from reward/punishment messages altogether and focus instead on serving Christ.
"I was actually a little bit surprised that Mitt Romney seemed to stick with a solid 10% for tithing."
Unless I am misunderstanding you, it seems you are saying he should have paid more tithing than necessary. How much tithing do you think he should have paid?
My husband and I have a tithing work around plan. If the church contributes to prop 8 or it's ilk again, our 10% will go to the humanitarian fund. We feel comfortable with that. We contribute an additional 10% to non related charities. So glad to hear others are finding ways to sustain without going against their conscience!
Just a thought or two – if you donate to the person/charity of your choice instead of the 10% to the Church, specifically as "slip-and-envelope" tithing:
1. Are you really giving the funds, as tithing, to the Lord? It seems you are still maintaining control over the funds, trying to "have your say" about it. That would include donating, for whatever one's personal reasons, what would be tithing money to the funds other than tithing (fast, humanitarian, missionary), which I've always understood to be for funds above and beyond tithing.
2. Tithing is supposed to be for the building up of the Kingdom of God on the earth. How can an anonymous donation to someone, however kind and worthwhile, do this? Again, I would think that this would be something to be done above and beyond your tithing.
God bless you for your generous heart and your desire to follow the commandments.
I really like this post. Tithing has been something that has been bothering me for a little while. This post has given me a lot to think and pray about. I like how you describe this as a very personal thing, which is why I feel comfortable bringing these different options indicated in the OP and by commenter to my Higher Power and us working that out.


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Bobo's Chicken: believe the hype
by Tim | September 4, 2010 | 42 Comments
Bobo's Chicken is located in a bright red food trailer. As a result, their hours and location are subject to change. However, they are most commonly located in an empty lot on the SE corner of Northeast 23rd Street and Hood (map to approximate location). They usually open Friday and Saturday nights from about 7pm to 3am or later. Cash only.
In the four years I've been running this website about Oklahoma City restaurants, I've heard a lot about Bobo's Chicken. Mostly, when people tell me about it, it sounds like this:
"Have you heard of Bobo's? Have you been? Seriously, you haven't been? Man, it is the absolute best chicken in the world served in this little shack trailer and they're only open like midnight to 5am on the weekends and you have to try to find them somewhere over there on the northeast side. Dude, you've got to go."
(Please note: I have used the word "dude" (above) for dramatic effect. Most people don't actually call me "dude")
Usually, when I hear such things from lots of different people, I start to wonder if it's really that good or if it's all hype. My excitement starts to wane as I realize a place has become a bit of an Oklahoma City legend and that the excitement people feel likely stems from the buzz surrounding a place as much as from the food. Perhaps that explains why it's taken me so long to try Bobo's. But I did try it, and when I did, I realized that I should have believed the hype. The chicken is just that good.
First off, let's clear up a few things, especially for those who may have never heard of Bobo's.
Bobo's Chicken operates out of a bright red food trailer. There's nowhere to sit (except on the ground or in your car) so most people just get it to go. While I have heard that their location used to vary from week to week, it seems lately they have been pretty steady, setting up in an empty lot on the southeast corner of NE 23rd and Hood. They operate only on Friday and Saturday nights, but they seem to open earlier now than they used to. I found them open at 7pm. They typically stay open late into the night, until around 3am or so at least. All of this information is subject to change, but this appears to be the current scoop.
Part of the mystique of Bobo's is its reputation for being a little "scary." This stems from its location, its late-night hours, and the fact that it has seen a few violent incidents in the past. You may hear people joke about taking your life into your own hands when you visit Bobo's, but I think that's a bit unfair. Naturally, you need to be aware of your surroundings anywhere you go, but I know many people who have visited Bobo's, myself included, and have felt perfectly safe. In fact, I found the people working at Bobo's and all the people around me in line to be extremely friendly. Here at EatAroundOKC, we have always celebrated the places that take us out of our comfort zones in search of something unique. That's what our shady restaurant series is all about. Bobo's definitely deserves your attention as one of Oklahoma City's best shady dining establishments.
So, what about that chicken?
On the menu (a piece of white poster board displayed at the back of the trailer), it's called "wings and things" and you order it as a 4 piece ($5.99), 7 piece ($9.99), 12 piece ($14.99) or 20 piece ($24.99). The number of pieces means the number of chicken wings, but keep in mind you also get the "things." So, order yourself a 4 piece and for six bucks even you'll get a heap of french fries, four large chicken wings, and a few pieces of fry bread all packed into a styrofoam container and drizzled with honey (see a picture). Actually, the honey is optional (they will ask you if you want it) but highly recommended. You can get extra honey for $1 more.
The chicken isn't just fried, it's also smoked. That's right. You'll smell the smokey flavor the moment they hand you the box. And when you bite into it, you'll get a crispy, smokey, juicy combination that will win your heart. Oh, and then you'll get a surprise — a lingering bit of spiciness that stays on your lips. I really wasn't expecting the heat, but I loved it. It's not overpowering, but it's there in the chicken and on the fries.
Now, I'll be honest. I'm not a huge fan of fried chicken. Fried chicken is not often my meal of choice. But I will be going back to Bobo's. This is truly a meal that cannot be ignored.
It should be noted that Bobo's also has fried shrimp and fried catfish, but based on what I have heard from others, I decided to focus this review on the main attraction, the chicken. If you've tried their other items, let us know what you thought of them in the comments.
Alright, so I've bought into the hype. I'm a believer. To all of you who raved to me about Bobo's over the years, I humbly accept your "I told you so." And to those of you who haven't tried it yet, do yourself a favor and give it a go. A four piece is easily enough for one and likely enough for some of you to split, so it's hard to beat that value at $6 even.
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Tom says:
September 5th, 2010 at 3:05 pm
I'd like to add that the catfish is also very good!
Stacey says:
September 7th, 2010 at 2:01 pm
Yes, the hype is there for a reason! Bobo's is amazing. I heard about their chicken for years and years, but was a little intimidated by driving out to NE 23 and MLK (just east of MLK) at 2am. However, when I met my spouse, she insisted and she was right. It is fabulous. The smokey flavor. The crisp. The subtle heat. The sweet from the honey. It is fabulous. I highly recommend a grape soda (or strawberry or orange) to complete your meal. They used to sell grape soda but the last few times I have been, they didn't. We have moved to Norman, but still have stopped for some Bobo's if we happen to be in OKC on the weekends.
Grant says:
September 7th, 2010 at 5:16 pm
My only complaint is the "honey", it is good but not real honey. While I recognize the beauty in putting the sweet sauce on the amazing chicken Bobo's offers, next time I am just going to slather it my own honey.
Kacy says:
September 8th, 2010 at 7:31 am
I have always wanted to go, but the scary rumors have deterred me. Perhaps I will get over my fear now and bite the bullet.
Question: How does it compare to Eischen's?
Chris Johnson says:
September 8th, 2010 at 8:37 am
Yeah, Bobo's is a major, major win.
Andrew says:
September 8th, 2010 at 1:31 pm
Eischens is over-rated in my opinion and doesn't hold a candle to BoBo's, or Nic's fried chicken, for that matter. The thing I miss most about OKC, culinarily speaking, is BoBo's chicken, followed by Nic's.
Martha says:
September 8th, 2010 at 5:25 pm
TOO SALTY, that is all I could taste. The scary part…not so much, if you have ever been in any city at all, just go at a reasonable hour, not in the middle of the night! Once was enough for me, just a styrofoam container of salt.
AJ says:
September 8th, 2010 at 6:07 pm
BoBo's always lives up to the hype. great great late night snack. I have taken many people to bobo's and no one has ever come away disappointed.
Tulsa Food Guy says:
September 9th, 2010 at 1:56 pm
I'm going to have to check this out next time I'm in OKC! Sounds very similar in atmosphere to the Chicken Hut up in North Tulsa: http://www.tulsafoodguy.com/blog/2010/03/north-tulsa-fried-chicken-to-die-for/
Has Bobo's ever had customers step over bodies to get their fried chicken?
Dacia says:
September 9th, 2010 at 3:37 pm
has anyone inquired as to the oil they use? lard? crisco? peanut?
I'm a fried chicken freak and prefer peanut oil
Tulsa Food Guy says:
September 9th, 2010 at 3:57 pm
Tim, I honestly couldn't tell ya. I had the little one locked in the truck while I grabbed the food, so I didn't take the time to ask questions. The building it's in looks like it's been around for quite awhile, but it's hard telling if there were other businesses there before Chicken Hut.
BJ says:
September 9th, 2010 at 4:48 pm
Do not be afraid! If you are not looking for trouble, you won't find it here. The food is unique and I think everyone should try it at least once. I personally think it's great. I also appreciate the owners, now that BoBo has passed away not moving it somewhere that people not familar with the east side frequent. Way to make it a destination!!!!
Cult of Nobody says:
September 10th, 2010 at 3:06 pm
@Tim – I remember driving by their original, at least I think it was the original, location back when I mowed yards as a teenager in the 80′s. So they have been around for awhile.
I think it was an old converted McDonald's or Hardee's and I don't think that building is even still there.
@Andrew – I'm not really a fan of Nic's chicken but maybe I was mislead by Guy Fieri's take on it since he makes everything sound better than it sometimes is. It was good just not good enough to get me to choose it over one of his burgers. I am however fast becoming a fan of Mama E's chicken.
Cindy says:
September 10th, 2010 at 6:20 pm
I'm hoping to get a chance to try it tonight.
Michael says:
September 13th, 2010 at 1:42 pm
It's been ages since I've been to Bobo's, but it is definitely a winner in my book. Now I am craving a four-piece with honey! I'll have to swing by this weekend!
Jenn Marshall says:
September 16th, 2010 at 9:12 pm
Gonna have to go! Have read 2 reviews lately so it must be a sign!
Cristela says:
September 20th, 2010 at 1:52 pm
I agree with Grant about the "honey sauce" – much better with just real honey. I wasn't scared and it was a ton of food. I would do it again, but I wouldn't go out of my way to do it again.
I disagree with Andrew though about BoBos being better than Eischens. I'm generally leery of anything touted as amazing in tv shows (been burned by those recommendations), but I really like Eischens better.
Paula says:
September 25th, 2010 at 7:45 pm
Did I hear it wasn't at its usual corner this weekend? I actually had folks lined up to go with me, but bailed when I heard that. I really wanna take my boy out there, but I supposed we need a "pack" to make it a trip.
Lori says:
September 25th, 2010 at 8:52 pm
We have been driving around down there for the past hour, but no truck! Any clue where they might be tonight?
Kevin says:
October 2nd, 2010 at 8:50 am
I'm thinking that tonight, after OU wins today, a trip to BOBO's makes a great cap to a great day.
Of course, if the near unbearable should happen, a trip to BOBO's might make a whale of a consolation prize.
Hmmm, I win either way. Gotta love it.
Penn says:
October 6th, 2010 at 10:34 pm
Tried it last weekend. The uneven limited room to park is a minor inconvenience, but this food is special. The honey and smokiness are a real treat. Fry bread is like what you'll get in a Chinese restaurant. While I won't be making regular return trips — the smoky sweet taste is not something I look for in everyday fried chicken — it's damn good food.
Stephanie says:
October 23rd, 2010 at 12:08 pm
I've been eating at Bobo's for at least 8 years and I completely disagree with pouring real honey on it. The smokey chicken with cajun seasoning and imitation honey is the combination of flavors that makes Bobo's what it is. I'm a culinary school graduate who never uses imitation anything and I still wouldn't dream of using real honey on Bobo's chicken. It's just not right!
Suzy says:
November 27th, 2010 at 4:54 pm
That is some great food- maybe it was even better because I had been drinking ha ha
Mary Ann says:
January 6th, 2011 at 2:11 pm
As Grant noted, adding your own honey is also great! When my boyfriend does (as most guys will do when they want Bobo's) "Hey… Bobo's?" My first response is always… "Do we have honey?" Bobo's is one of my favorite things to tell people about Oklahoma City, it's just that great. Also, the fry bread is even better cold the morning after…
KC says:
April 23rd, 2011 at 3:10 pm
As it was explained to me, the chicken wings are smoked, dredged and fried, then drizzled with honey – genius! Hands down, the best fried-chicken I've had in Oklahoma (quite possibly the entire Midwest) and definitely worth the trip. However, fried biscuits and french fries were underwhelming, to say the least.
Ashley says:
June 21st, 2011 at 2:23 pm
Tried Bobo's for the first time a week ago. I'm not typically a lover of honey on my chicken but that was good. The problem I had was with the smoke. It overpowered the chicken. I also agree with KC that the biscuits and fries were underwhelming. Have had the catfish as well and it was excellent, but as for chicken I will still be bound for Eischen's. I'm sorry, Bobo's does NOT compare to Eishcen's.
Steven says:
August 25th, 2011 at 10:01 pm
I like Bobo's. Part of the adventure is never knowing which Bobo you are going to get. Some nights, he reminds me of a cranky counterman at a NY deli. Others, he's a polite gentleman. Either way, soup Nazi or gent, it's all good. Take correct change. Bobo does not like to give change. This is pure comfort food. They do it up pretty good here. The point of going to Bobo's is the adventure coupled with some pretty damn good chicken.
Chris says:
December 15th, 2011 at 9:37 pm
My first experience with "The Best Fried Chcken in OK" was with BoBo's. I had the chicken, fries, and biscuits all covered in honey. It was heaven in my mouth.
Not more than a few months later, I had some friends tell me to try that other chicken place (Eischen's). So we went there and I had the fried chicken with fried okra. The atmosphere and history of the place was interesting but that was about all they had. The chicken tasted bland and I spent the whole meal trying to talk my friends into visiting BoBo's so they could try some real GOOD fried chicken.
Chef Prince says:
December 23rd, 2011 at 3:08 am
Before I was a loyal and dedicated worker of Bobo's Chicken, I was a long time loyal and dedicated customer.. It was a weekend ritual for me, heck I even had Bobo's on my prom night!! Bobo's has actually been around since the 80′s, he served ribs back then.. And yes, the chicken is 1st deep fried and then smoked, with the option of getting syrup flavored honey.. I'll be the 1st to admit that since Bobo died back in 09, the chicken has not been the same.. Still good, but has dropped a few notches, he wouldn't allow to let chicken go out that wasn't top quality.. During that time, you couldn't even speak Eischen's and Bobo's in the same sentence, and thats in no way a knock on Eischen's because I LOVE Eischen's!!
The later into the night you get the chicken the better it will be because it's been marinating longer,, and if you really want a treat ask him to smoke your catfish or shrimp(they don't like to because it slows down production but you may catch them in a good mood)
Diane says:
March 3rd, 2012 at 9:03 pm
I love BOBO's! It's the best chicken I've ever had (sorry Grandma). The catfish and shrimp are delicious too. But that chicken is amazing. They start cooking around 7. My 16 y.o. son and I usually go around 9, wait in line for 20 minutes or so, inhale a couple wings in the car, then come home and finish it off.
Nannette says:
July 22nd, 2012 at 7:20 pm
I drove from Lenoir, NC just to have BOBO's Chicken, sounds abit insane I know but what the heck, right?
(it's true, I did).
I wholely suggest that you know the hours of operation before you drive over 950 miles for something! That too was rather nuts on my part but, onward to BoBo's I went! As it turns out they're not open on Thurs. So now what? I know, drive to Arizona to see my Great Uncle! And catch them on the return trip. It worked! We ( my niece and I) came back a week and a day later, they were preparing to open, glory hallelujah! So, we waited, and the cars started to come. We were first in line but, having no idea what we wanted, we let a few people go before us. We finally ordered the 20 piece chicken wings and very shortly waved bye bye to BOBO's. Now we had to find somewhere to eat. That stuff was smelling up my car and driving us both batty. Find a motel and kill two birds with one stone, eat and rest. So now all the stars are in line for me to eat my chicken wings some of which were bigger than my chihuahua Mia. And now we've come to the end of my story….Those were the best darn chicken wings I've ever had- bar none. The Best! And that honey stuff they put on them oh my gosh! Fabulous! Thanks Ron, and the other guys that were working on 7-13- 2012.(Friday the 13th) Those wings were just short of heavenly! I hope to come back one day
Mitzi says:
October 5th, 2012 at 5:51 pm
I'm not from Oklahoma but I've lived here 4 years and I had never heard of Bobo's chicken until last weekend. We were driving past, and at least 30 or more people were standing out in the rain lined up around the corner waiting for Bobo's Chicken!! So, my family and I pulled in and we are so happy that we did, this is the best food that we've had since moving to Oklahoma City and the best chicken that I've had ever! If you haven't been to Bobo's chicken you have to go tonight!
alicia says:
January 13th, 2014 at 10:30 pm
I would like to know what kind of oil is used. I am allergic to peanut oil and I would love to try but have to find out which oil is used first.
Denise Davis says:
March 27th, 2014 at 1:50 pm
Bobo's is the best chicken in OKC. That smokey fried flavor is awesome. I have never had any chicken flavor like this anywhere. It makes me want to know if they barbecue, smoke it, then fry it. Whatever they do, they know how to do it. The fried bread is so delicious. The fries are average. I have also tried their shrimp and it is better than Pearl's or Red Lobster. They give you alot of shrimp in your order and you will not be able to eat it all. If you have never tried Bobo's you are missing out on a delicious experience. My household are having it this Friday for dinner and I can smell the smokiness in my nose already.
Marla says:
September 27th, 2014 at 5:00 pm
Don't know where we've have been. But just heard about bobo's today, sounded amazing, unbelievable and going by to try it tonight!!!!
SMOKING, FRIED couldn't get any better.
BOBO'S !!!!! Hey Diners, Drive-ins and Dives listen up!!!!


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Celebrate National Freezer Food Day with Us!
Did you know that March 6th is National Freezer Food Day? Yea, neither did I. That is until one of my good friends sent me a message to ask if the queen of freezer food knew it was a national holiday. Good friend, don't you think?
So it got us thinking, what could we do to celebrate freezer food? Put out a free freezer cooking menu? No, we already do that. Tell people how to get started freezer cooking? Nope, we already do that. Give you a great recipe perfect for freezing? Nope, we already do that too. Hmm, what else could we do?
Given that Pinterest is all the rage these days we thought we might celebrate Pinterest style with a little help from you. So here is how you can play along with us:
- Go to your freezer – what recipes do you have lurking in there? If you want, share a picture and/or the written contents with us on Facebook – right here to be exact!
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My family loves these homemade pizza rolls! http://www.dashingdish.com/2011/04/pizza-rolls/
This recipe is easy, uses basic ingrediants, and freezes like a dream!
What perfect timing; I don't have my recipe books with me but I was able to google one of my old tried-and-true recipes to cook tonight; it's great to make a big batch, eat some and freeze the rest!!
(Noni's Chicken Stew, tomato-based, not chicken noodley)
http://www.vanderbiltwife.com/2009/08/family-recipe-fridays-blueberry-cream/ {Blueberry Cream Cheese Coffee Cake – freezes beautifully!}
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Quick Crustless Quiche
Homemade Pizza Dough
Cheddar Cheese Soup With Broccoli, Zucchini, and Carrots
Your Lasagna! http://www.onceamonthmom/lasagna
Chocolate Chip Cream Cheese Coffee Cake
To name a few…:D
I make lots of rice at once and freeze into bags for meal use.
My favorites to freeze are chili (http://www.givinguponperfect.com/2010/03/last-chance-for-chili/) and baked pasta (http://www.givinguponperfect.com/2010/11/monday-morning-mmmm-taking-meals-to-friends/).
I have made both of these roll recipes and they freeze great!
Pretzel Rolls
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my hubby enjoys these for lunches or dinner when I am on the go. Just pop the meatloaf patties in the freezer and warm when you need a fast meal. http://recipeswelove1.blogspot.com/2012/01/meat-loaf-stuffed-pepper-rings.html
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Unions and the Australian Human Resources Institute have backed the federal government's move to strip tax breaks from people working away from home, although a host of employers slammed the reforms.
The changes to tax concessions associated with the living-away-from-home allowance will take effect next month, with government estimating they will provide savings of $1.9 billion over the forward estimates. They will greatly reduce the number of people who can claim the allowance, partly by requiring claimants to own a home in Australia which they are not living in.
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AHRI president Peter Wilson said the changes removed "a distortion". "With the resources boom still under way, this change means the pay offered to a remote worker should reflect only its full market value, not a tax subsidy," he said.
ACTU president Ged Kearney said it was one of the most abused allowances in the tax system. "It has been used by well-paid executives from overseas to rip off Australian taxpayers." But industry groups Consult Australia and the Australian Mines and Metals Association, and recruiting giant Randstad, all said the changes were too hasty and would discourage skilled foreign workers coming to Australia, besides discouraging Australian workers moving interstate.
Randstad Australian & New Zealand chief executive Fred van der Tang said "roughly 20 per cent of the IT and engineering job candidates we work with are going to be affected by losing up to 20 per cent of their disposable income." Federal Assistant Treasurer David Bradbury stood by the changes, saying they "will address the anomalous situation where a foreign worker could pay less tax than an Australian worker".
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Teensy-weensy but comfortable...from starryskygazer
Homey and Cozyfrom lhotse
Many reviews have mentioned the location which I agree, IS a plus-- convenient to most of London's sights and shopping (Oxford Street is only about a 10min walk away)!
Overall, I highly recommend the Montague and would definitely stay here again.
Wonderful hotelfrom A TripAdvisor Member
We had booked a meal in the restaurant but were very short of time as we had to be at the theatre within the hour. The staff were wonderfully efficient and helpful and we managed a three course meal within the hour! The food was very good as well although the portions not huge.
Late night drinks in the conservatory were nice but very expensive- £6.50 for a brandy plus a 12.5% service charge (optional, but always on the bill). Next time we will take our own!
Self-service breakfast was included in the price and catered for everyone including fruit, yoghurts, cereals, pastries, ham, cheeses, toast with marmalade etc and hot English breakfast too.
The staff were all friendly and helpful, especially the reception staff. Overall I was extremely pleased with the Montague and will definitely use it again.
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Short but Sweetfrom A TripAdvisor Member
trouble. The room was excellent and although it was on the front of the hotel and at ground floor level we slept very well. The bathroom was all that one could ask for.The full English breakfast offered
a good choice but could have done with being a few degrees hotter !
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1) I booked 2 non-smoking rooms (2 adults, and a room for my two 16 year old sons). I emailed after the booking (through American Airlines vacations) and requested a "garden room" after reading a review that said they were quieter. I'm a light sleeper with health issues. When we arrived - exhausted from an overnight flight on which we didn't sleep - we were given two SMOKING ROOMS, and the room for myself and my husband was on the street, despite my request a month earlier. Not a great start. I have bad allergies (among other things), and this wasn't going to fly, so I went back to the desk. Understand that I am not a "going back to the desk type." If you bring me the wrong meal and it looks good, I generally eat it. But a basement room that reaks of smoke? Come on. After a few hours we were moved into two non-smoking rooms on the first floor, and they were fine for the 7 nights we were there. Still on the street, but fine. The kids room was actually much larger and on the garden side. Lucky them.
2) The hotel is directly across from the British museum. This is about a 20 minute walk to Trafalgar Square (if you are in good shape) and 40 minute walk to Westminster or Buckingham Palace. We walked this and more, but you should know that most folks would need to bus or tube. There is a bus stop right at the Museum, so not a problem. But we walked ... to Harrods and back!
3) Through the American Airlines vacation package we received a great discount on the 2nd room, full English breakfasts for the week for the four of us (including mass consuming teenagers), and a dinner for 4. This was a great deal.
4) The Montague is probably as quiet as you can find in London. We came to feel it was like home, despite the incongruities of any hotel (who designed the showers that leak all over the floor?) But it is quaint, and not a Thistle or a Novotel or a Ramada. It has character, and some charm, and a pretty nice staff - despite the booking disaster.
If we had initially received what we had booked (when we were tired and cranky), I probably would have given the Montague the highest review. Except for the ridiculous showers....
I would book it again - confirm the room IN WRITING, and ask for additional BATH MATS!! Otherwise, can't wait to get back. There is also a reasonably priced Thai restaurant around the corner with very good fare, as well as several Italian restaurants (Prezzo) that stretched our reduced dollars a bit further. If you want pretentious, this isn't the place. But it is very clean, with surprisingly good food and service. And the location allows you to visit a number of enchanting neighborhoods and boroughs, from Soho to Fleet Street. I've never felt more reluctant to head home....
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Look, if you spend your time looting ancient dungeons for magic items and pissing off evil wizards, chances are as an adventurer, you're going to end up with a curse bestowed upon you at some point.
As a Game Master, it can often be difficult to come up with different or original curses. James Mishler's and Adventure Games Publishing's 100 Calamitous Curses solves that problem by delivering precisely what the title suggests: 100 curses to entertain, hinder, and cause mayhem for your campaign.
The curses are ostensibly designed to be used with Castles & Crusades, but like other AGP products, they are easily usable with any number of both d20-related, older D&D versions, and retro-clone titles. Mishler's characteristic entertaining writing style (with a decided swords n' sorcery bent) shines through, and he does an excellent job of making each curse unique and engaging. Here's just one example:
64. Curse of the Life Leech: Whenever the accursed one heals damage, the nearest friend, ally, or neutral being suffers a like amount of damage. If cured by a spell, usually the friendly caster suffers the damage; if healing through bed rest, the nearest person loses a similar number of hit points regardless of distance!
Ouch! Most curses are appropriate for a general-audience sort of group, but there are a few that have to do with childbirth and sexuality that GMs who run younger folks through their games want to specifically consider before using. Still, I believe the product will be quite helpful to a wide range of gaming groups.
Coming in at 12 pages, this pdf normally retails for $2.50, but at the time I write this, It is on sale for only $2. Either way, if, like me, you have a GM's Binder or use a laptop for some of your pdfs, you'll want to make sure this great value finds its way into your collection. It's the sort of short, handy pdf I love as a GM, and so long as James Mishler keeps making 'em like this, I'll keep buying 'em.
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Review: 100 Calamitous Curses
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- sirlarkins said...
I discovered another handy use for this guy a couple weeks ago when my girlfriend was feeling pissed about a client who sent her shoddy work. I suggested she roll up a few good curses to wish upon him, and she happily obliged--and felt much better afterwards!
- April 16, 2009 at 8:28 PM
- Zachary The First said...
Hey, there you go! Good value for your money, then! :)
- April 16, 2009 at 9:52 PM
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- Brown
- Height:
- 5'9
- Hair:
- Gray Or Partially Gray
- Weight:
- 243 lbs.
- Age DOB:
- 1/6/1950
|Criminal Record of Danny Lafountaine
- Offense/Statute:
- Lewd Or Indecent Proposals/Acts To Child
- Date Convicted:
- 26 June 2001
- Offense/Statute:
- Rape
- Date Convicted:
- 26 June 2001
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