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It was a memo from the future, an astonishing look at the dawn of the public digital landscape, from senior newspaper management. In 1992, Robert Kaiser, the managing editor of the Washington Post, attended a meeting in Japan populated by visionary technology leaders who introduced him to the future of 'multimedia' and to the idea of personal computers and digital networks as alternate methods of delivery for media businesses.
Kaiser then wrote a 2,700-word memo for Post Co. CEO Don Graham and the newspaper's senior management that opened with the (inaccurate but evocative) metaphor of the frog in boiling water:
Alan Kay, sometimes described as the intellectual forefather of the personal computer, offered a cautionary analogy that seemed to apply to us. It involves the common frog. You can put a frog in a pot of water and slowly raise the temperature under the pot until it boils, but the frog will never jump. Its nervous system cannot detect slight changes in temperature.
The Post is not in a pot of water, and we're smarter than the average frog. But we do find ourselves swimming in an electronic sea where we could eventually be devoured–or ignored as an unnecessary anachronism. Our goal, obviously, is to avoid getting boiled as the electronic revolution continues.
Kaiser goes on to describe what he learned at that meeting, about a world where electronic distribution and consumption reshape the media landscape. Kaiser not only warns his fellow executives about the risks of being devoured or, worse, ignored, but he also goes on to propose that the Post immediately undertake two R&D projects: '1) Design the electronic classifieds now' and '2) Design the world's first electronic newspaper.'
When the full copy of Kaiser's memo circulated among the news cognoscenti in the summer of 2012, it kicked off a flurry of public discussion about how prescient Kaiser had been, and how unfortunate it was that this incredible preview of what was coming–written before the public launch of the web–didn't get acted on.
Much of that conversation about what might have been, however, missed a second, critical aspect of the memo: Even if the Post had executed swiftly on everything Kaiser had proposed, it wouldn't have worked. Despite Kaiser's brilliance in laying out the great forces then only barely visible, his memo also contains hints of the difficulties adapting to a world where the internet was normal.
Kaiser assures his fellow executives that since people will need filters for all the new information, they will therefore need professional editors:
Confronted by the information glut of the modern world, I suspect even the computer-comfortable citizens of the 21st Century will still be eager to take advantage of reporters and editors who offer to sort through the glut intelligently and seek to make sense of it for them. Interestingly, when I asked a number of people at the conference what they'd like to be able to do in the electronic future, many spoke of finding all the extant journalism on subjects of interest to them. (CompuServe now offers a rather primitive grazing tool to permit this sort of thing.)
Kaiser looked right at the 'rather primitive' capability–search–that would eventually float first Yahoo and then Google and assumed that it would remain marginal, because he assumed the business he was in–editorial judgment–couldn't be displaced. Likewise, his pair of proposed R&D efforts contained the very thinking that would sidetrack a thousand attempts at innovation; Kaiser said, of his electronic classifieds, that the Post should also
… reserve the right to postpone implementation until a moment when we're confident we'll make more money (or deter a competitor) by launching the electronic product.
Even someone who had seen far into the future still missed the crucial lesson, one that Alan Kay and his cohort had clearly tried to impart: No one could reserve the right to postpone implementation of the future. The big but hidden mistake was the assumption that the Post, or indeed any institution, could opt out of the coming changes. This mistake was made more punishing because Kaiser's assumptions didn't allow for the possibility that new distribution channels for news and advertising might generate less money per user, rather than more.
This was the real issue, impossible to recognize then, but obvious in hindsight: The problem legacy news organizations faced over the two decades since Kaiser's trip wasn't competition but revolution. They assumed that new technology would raise rather than lower ad revenue, or that it would deliver more control to the publisher rather than to the reader. This was consonant with everything that had happened up to 1992, but it wasn't what was about to happen as the internet started giving everyone a lot more freedom.
Tectonic Shifts
In the 1990s, those of us thinking about the relationship between the internet and news organizations wrongly assumed that the core problem those organizations faced was understanding the future. This turned out to be a merely ancillary problem. The core problem was adapting to that future.
The story of journalism in 2012 is still often told as the story of the breakdown of the old world, the end of the period when 'the news' was whatever an enumerable collection of institutionally stable actors chose to publish. This assumption ran so deep that even someone who had seen decades into the future could still believe that the digital turn in the newspaper business would favor traditional virtues of editorial choice over the new ones of user empowerment and that the business case for electronic media was around revenue generation rather than cost reduction.
That 'End of an Era' story, though, is itself ending. We are living in the least diverse, least inclusive media environment we will inhabit for the foreseeable future, which is to say that the ecosystem forming around us will include more actors and actions than even today's environment does.
It's easy to equate this increase in public speech with an increase in chaos, but chaos is a wasting asset–what seems hopelessly confusing today will be tomorrow's new normal. The old order won't be restored, but people will get used to the new one that's emerging.
Though we have generally concentrated on the question 'What does the production of news like today?' in this section we will ask a related question: Given the forces already at work, what will the production of news look like in 2020, seven years from now? This is as far from today as today is from 2006, when YouTube, Twitter and Facebook were all in their infancy.
As with any exercise in prediction, we will get this at least partly wrong, overestimating some changes, underestimating others, and, most significantly, failing to predict new forces that will appear in the next seven years. Our goal here is for accuracy in direction, not endpoint; we believe that many of the forces that will shape the news environment in 2020 are already visible today, in the same way that social networking and user-distributed video were visible seven years ago.
In 2020, there will be considerable surface continuity with the news environment of the 20th century. There will still be a Los Angeles Times and a CNN. Yet this continuity of institutions will be accompanied by a reconfiguration of almost every bit of the media world in which they operate. As George W.S. Trow put it in 'Within the Context of No Context,' his wonderful and strange musing on the changed social landscape in the United States:
Everyone knows, or ought to know, that there has happened under us a Tectonic Plate Shift […] the political parties still have the same names; we still have a CBS, an NBC, and a New York Times; but we are not the same nation that had those things before.
Trow was discussing the loss of any obvious core of civic culture in the aftermath of the late 1960s, but the figure of a tectonic shift can also serve as a metaphor for the media environment today. The label 'CBS News' still describes the journalistic arm of a U.S. broadcaster, but it no longer stands for 'Tiffany' standards in news, and it no longer occupies a position of unquestioned centrality in the news environment. This is partly because CBS itself approaches news differently, but mostly because the competitive and consumptive landscape of news has shifted so dramatically that even if CBS News' sole goal in the last two decades had been to preserve its former position, it would have failed.
The news ecosystem of 2020 will be a study in expansion, with heightened contrasts between extremes. More people will consume more news from more sources. More of these sources will have a clear sense of their audience, their particular beats or their core capabilities. Fewer of these sources will be 'general interest'; even when an organization aims to produce an omnibus collection of news of the day, the readers, viewers and listeners will disassemble it and distribute the parts that interest them to their various networks. An increasing amount of news will arrive via these ad hoc networks than via audiences loyal to any particular publication.
Almost every aspect of the news environment will be more variable than it is today. We're not shifting from big news organizations to small ones, or from slow reporting to fast. The dynamic range of journalism is increasing along several axes at once. The internet has unleashed demand for more narrative and more data-driven news, for a wider range of real-time sources and wider distribution of long-form pieces.
A few organizations will have larger newsrooms than today, mostly subsidized by media services sold to professionals (as with Thomson supporting Reuters, or Bloomberg's purchase of Business Week.). Most news outlets, though, will have smaller newsrooms, measured by full-time headcount. At the same time, there will be many more niche players than today, with smaller and more narrowly tailored operations (the Outer Banks Voice; Hechinger Report).
There will be more nonprofit news organizations, driven by several kinds of donation–direct cash subsidy by philanthropies and other donor organizations (Ford Foundation funding Los Angeles Times reporters; William Penn Foundation funding PennPraxis), user donations of cash (NPR; TPM), and in-kind donations of the time and talents of a particular community (as with the creation of Wikipedia disaster articles, or Twitter hashtag streams).
The obvious benefit of increased subsidy for news is its increased availability. The equally obvious downside is that it risks further blurring the boundary between public relations and journalism. The growing number of news outlets, and their varying motivations and funding sources, increases the need for self-policing, as independent news outlets learn to better identify, label and publicly rebuke 'churnalism.' (As David Weinberger has noted, transparency is the new objectivity.)
The decay of the traditional agenda-setting function of the press will continue, and with it the idea of 'the public' as a large, interconnected mass of news-consuming citizens. Choice in available media outlets will continue to expand, leading not so much to echo chambers as to a world of many overlapping publics of varying sizes. Seen in this light, the long-term collapse of trust in the press is less a function of changing attitudes toward mainstream media outlets than a side effect of the continuing fragmentation of the American media landscape. (It is probably time to retire the idea that there is something called 'the press' that enjoys a reputation among some group called 'the public.')
The shift in control of distribution will also continue. The old model, where most users visited a home page or used a mobile application tied to a single organization, will continue to lose ground to superdistribution, users forwarding relevant materials to one another. We already live in a world where the most widely circulated stories acquire audiences that dwarf the median headcount. Adapting to this increasingly unequal distribution will require that most organizations get better at working with their users to filter and pass on relevant material.
This superdistribution won't just be about the spread of new material; one of the great surprises of Twitter, a medium built around 'short' and 'now,' is how much demand it has exposed for long-form writing and video. News.me, a recent startup, filters through people's Twitter feeds and recommends the most widely viewed links from previous 24 hours; a remarkable amount of what gets surfaced is not singing cats but long, careful pieces of reporting or opinion.
Though the 'hamster wheel' (chasing transient viewers with rapid publication of sensational stories) is an obvious effect of the internet's colonization of the news landscape, the increase in the dynamic range of the news environment is taking place at both ends of the distribution; the hamster wheel has been accompanied by an increase in large-scale reporting and analysis.
More techniques will be deployed in the production of news–algorithmic data analysis, information visualization, solicitation of amateur input, feedback loops with crowd reaction, automated production of data-driven stories. More generalists will be working in niche subjects; interviewers on particular topics who create, edit and distribute photos, audio or video as a newsroom of one. Narrower and deeper specialization will occur among the newsrooms that have staffs large enough to allow collaborative units to work together: By 2020, the most expert data miner, information visualizer or interactive experience designer will have a far more refined set of tools and experience than any of those people do today.
Each newsroom will become more specialized, with less simple replaceability of employees and functions from one newsroom to the next. Each newsroom will have a better sense of who its partners are, among institutions and the general public, and will have customized its sense of how best to work with them. Many producers of the kind of material we used to regard as news won't be news organizations, in any familiar sense of the word. The police blotter will come from the police. Environmental data will be presented via interactive tools hosted by the Sierra Club. Wikipedia and Twitter will strengthen their roles as key sources of information for breaking news.
As Kaiser and the Washington Post eventually found out, there's no reserving the right to postpone implementation for the kinds of changes we are witnessing. There is only the struggle to adapt and to secure a niche in the ecosystem that allows for stable creation of long-term value.
What Should Journalists Do?
Like a Necker cube, it's possible to look at the journalism landscape and see one of two sets of relationships–the work of individual journalists supporting institutions, or the work of institutions supporting individual journalists. There is some truth to both views, of course, but we have concentrated on the latter, for several reasons.
First, the work of journalists takes both logical and temporal precedence over the work of institutions. Second, the act of witnessing, discovering or understanding what is important, and then conveying that in a way that various publics can understand, is the sacred task; concern for journalistic institutions takes on public urgency only to the degree that they help the people engaged in those tasks. And third, far too much of the conversation of the past decade has assumed that the survival of existing institutions is more important than the ability of anyone to take on that sacred task, however it's done.
Though the concept has been somewhat tainted by the cheesiness of 'Brand You!' boosterism, we live in an age where the experiments of individual journalists and small groups are ideal for identifying possible new sources of value–process is a response to group dynamics, so the smaller the group, the easier it is to balance process and innovation (though later, of course, those innovations will have to be rendered boringly repeatable).
If you were looking for an ideal mantra for a journalist, writer, analyst, media artist, data miner or any of the other roles and tasks that matter today, 'Proceed until apprehended' is a good one. As an NPR executive said to Andy Carvin during his invention of the curated Twitter news feed, 'I don't understand what you're doing, but please keep doing it.'
In this essay, we've offered a description–several, actually–of the skills and values an individual journalist can bring to bear. The range of these descriptions exists because journalism is not moving from A to B, from one stable state in postwar America to some new, alternate state today. Journalism is instead moving from one to many, from a set of roles whose description and daily patterns were coherent enough to merit one label to one where the gap between what makes Nate Silver a journalist and what makes Kevin Sites a journalist continues to widen.
With the coming increase in possible modes and tempos of journalism, our overall recommendations for journalists are these:
Know yourself. Know what you are good at and what you are not good at, and know how to explain those things to others. Know your areas of expertise, both for content (North African politics; civil engineering; historical weather patterns) and skills (are you an interviewing journalist? A researching journalist? A Final Cut journalist? An Excel journalist? A Hadoop journalist?).
Know when the tools you need are algorithms or crowds. Know when a person you need to talk to is more likely to be found via Twitter than directory assistance. Know when your network can help; know when someone in your network's network can help, and get good at asking for that help (and also get good at rewarding people who help).
Know when process is aiding your work and when it's not, and, to the degree you can, know when to break the glass in the latter case. Know when to work alone, when to call for help, when to partner outside your usual sphere.
Much of this is about specialization of one sort or another. It's possible to specialize in content: in the kind of material you cover, or the kind of background you master, or the kind of people you interview. It's also possible to specialize in technique: you can get good at mining databases, reading investment documents, traveling in distressed zones, or engaging users, and each of those skills will be transferable to many areas of inquiry. You can specialize in content and be a generalist about technique, you can specialize in technique but be a generalist in content, or you can specialize in both. (Specializing in neither used to be a fine answer; less so today.)
Journalism schools will have to adapt to these changing models as well. Already, journalism schools are more like film schools than law schools, which is to say that the relative success or failure of a J-School grad is going to be far more variable than it used to be. There are fewer entry-level jobs–the jobs that used to serve as unofficial proving grounds and apprenticeships–in metropolitan dailies and local TV than there used to be. Furthermore, the careers students head into will be more variable, and more dependent on their ability to create their own structure, as opposed to simply fitting into a position in a well-known collection of rich and stable institutions.
Schools should respond by helping students both understand what sorts of specializations they'd like to undertake, and how to go about them, a task that has much less to do with fitting them to particular institutions, as with the old (and now harmful) broadcast vs. print split, and much more to do with fitting them to particular forms of inquiry, wherever and however they practice it.
The fate of journalism in the United States is now far more squarely in the hands of individual journalists than it is of the institutions that support them. To get the kind of journalism that a complex, technocratic democracy requires, we need the individual practitioners to take on the hardest part of the task of working out what constitutes good journalism in a world with no publishing scarcity.
What Should Legacy News Organizations Do in This Environment?
Though many existing institutions still regard the principal effect of the current changes as continued loss of revenue, the restructuring of American journalism is far more influenced today by organizational models than by income (or lack thereof). With a handful of exceptions, for-profit news organizations will have to continue to reduce expenses to below still-falling revenue, but simply cutting will leave us with legacy institutions that do less with less.
Existing institutions must adapt their journalistic operations, not just their bottom line, to the internet. Doing more with less is always easier said than done, but as Homicide Watch or Narrative Science demonstrate, it is not impossible.
Though we put forward several recommendations in the body of this essay, our overall recommendations for legacy institutions are essentially these:
Decide what part of the news you want to report and how. Get out of any activity that doesn't support those goals. Look for partnerships or collaborations with other organizations that advance those goals at lower cost than you could manage in-house. Work to make the remaining activities either excellent or cheap (or, ideally, both).
Some legacy news organizations will simply shrink the cost of filling the news hole with no other reorganization, a move that will amount to getting out of the hard news business by degrees. Some of these organizations may be able to survive with their newly lowered expenses, but the reason to care about the continued health of legacy news organizations has always been about the public service they provide; organizations that shrink without trying to take on new, cheaper capabilities are abandoning at least part of that public service mission. They will also attract fewer competent journalists.
Keeping expenses below revenue remains a problem, of course. Advertising declines–six years and counting–have left the nations' newsrooms, subsidized by that money, in a parlous state. Given advertisers' continued decampment to alternate platforms and the dreadful logic of a declining print audience–income compresses faster than costs for running the presses–many legacy organizations will have to operate with an expanded sense of where revenue can come from: running events, applying for grants for specific beats, digital membership dollars from the most committed 5 percent of readers. Continued reduction of costs, however, remains the most obvious strategy.
There is no way to support the old 'one-stop shop' model for supplying all (or even most) of a user's news and information, because, without geographic barriers to entry, there is very little defensible advantage in running commodity news that's the same as in the next town or state over. Like the principle of subsidiarity for the U.S. government (that the federal government should ideally run only those services not better run by the states, states than cities, and so on), news should be produced and distributed by the people best able to cover it. This suggests a shift to dramatically increased specialization and partnership.
In practice, many legacy newspapers have followed this advice by loading their front pages with reams of AP content and the occasional 'big blowout' news story, a prime example of adapting to loss of income rather than adapting to the internet. A digitally minded news organization would dispense with running commodity content online entirely, perhaps linking to important news, or even excerpting the content of smart bloggers or other aggregators. No matter what specific decisions get made in this regard, however, news institutions that see the 'front page' as their primary organizational concern will miss many opportunities for reinvention.
The wastefulness of pack journalism and the empty calories of unimproved wire service news are both bad fits for most institutions in the current environment. The organizations that set out to provide a public with a large part of the news will more often be aggregators, in the manner of Huffington Post or BuzzFeed, than traditional news organizations, if only because the cost and quality curve favors that form of aggregation over expensive improvements of syndicated content or, further up that curve, creation of custom material that lacks either a passionate audience or a long shelf life.
Similarly, newsrooms will have to decide what parts of their operations to commodify. Much checklist reporting (e.g., brief pieces on last night's game or this quarter's sales figures that have to be present, but don't have to be long or excellent) can be replaced by aggregation, or by machine production. For most organizations, anything that is high touch but low value (and by high touch we mean anything that involves more than 10 minutes of paid human attention) should be automated, outsourced to partners or users, or removed entirely.
Newsrooms that have mixed reporting goals–breaking news and long-form analysis–will have to get better at understanding the sharpening trade-offs between speed and depth. There is no right answer here, or even right mix: Coverage of slow-moving beats with a relative handful of relevant participants–the mining industry, or automotive design–will have a different mix than fast-moving, surprise-driven ones–electoral politics, civil wars.
Similarly, newsrooms will have to understand the sharpening trade-offs between aggregation and original reporting, and optimize for each activity differently, or the trade-offs between translating first-person accounts vs. putting journalists in between those sources and the audience, to contextualize and interpret.
Existing organizations will also have to get better at managing both relationships and data as new resources. The ability of an institution to ask its own users to participate in the creation, vetting and distribution of news, or to find firsthand witnesses or knowledgeable insiders for a particular story, will become key sources of differentiation. Similarly, the ability to master certain sorts of data and to be able to reliably create value from it over time are increasingly essential skills. (The irony of U.S. News and World Report's long competition with Newsweek and Time is that the U.S. News college listings database may soon become more valuable than those other two publications combined.)
On the procedural front, organizations will have to get better at understanding when process is a help and when it is a hindrance, and they will have to get better at making their process 'hackable.' They will likewise have to decide which employees or volunteers have the ability to violate or alter the standard institutional processes, in order to pursue unforeseeable but valuable opportunities. Of all our recommendations, this one may be the most difficult for legacy institutions to follow. But in other ways, the success or failure of many of these companies will be determined by their ability to embrace flexibility.
What Should New News Organizations Do?
The range of new models and ideas being tried by journalism startups is wide, but most of the groups working on these ideas are not yet either robust or stable. This is partly because, as in any revolution, the old things break long before the new things are put in place, but it is also because the business model in the last several decades has created a news monoculture, where advertising subsidy has been the default revenue source even for those organizations that also charged fees directly to their users.
New news organizations will have to do everything legacy organizations do in terms of mastering the trade-offs between speed and depth, aggregation vs. origination, or solo creation vs. partnership. In general, however, understanding and managing these trade-offs is easier for new organizations, simply because individual employees don't have to unlearn previous assumptions in order to adapt to present realities. As always, the advantage young people and organizations have over older ones isn't that they know more things. They don't. The advantage is that they know fewer things that aren't true any longer. Without carrying the weight of accumulated but maladaptive assumptions, they have to spend less time and energy unlearning things before they can see and respond to the present world.
Our overall recommendation for new news organizations is even simpler than for journalists or for legacy organizations:
The visible crisis of news institutions is the shrinking of their traditional functions, but the second, less discussed, crisis is the need for institutional stability, predictability and slack among the nation's news startups.
Much of the question of institutionalization of startups concerns the way these organizations manage income and expenses, a conversation outside the scope of what 21st-century journalism looks like. (To reiterate our position: Most of the for-profit vs. nonprofit discussion is useless. Any way of keeping expenses below revenue is a good way.) Some of it, however, has to do with organizational assumptions and capabilities built into new organizations from the start.
New organizations should assume that cost control is the central discipline and that many sources of subsidy available to startups have a limited lifespan. They should master working with amateurs, crowds, machines or other partners to keep cost low and leverage high. To survive, new news startups will need to take on some of the routinization of work and stabilization of process of the older institutions they are challenging. They should not fear becoming a little boring.
There is a certain blitheness to the conversations around the current disruption, a kind of 'great cycle of life' belief that the old institutions will be weakened and that the new institutions will then automatically take their place.
That is one possible scenario, of course. Another is that the old institutions become weakened but that the new ones don't take their place, because they lack the institutional stability to act as a counterweight to large, bureaucratic organizations. Of all the terrible scenarios it is possible to imagine, this is the worst one–the legacy organizations continue to diminish in force and function, but the new entities arising simply can't be as effective a check on bureaucratic power.
The End of Solidarity
Perhaps the most salient change in the next seven years will be the continued weakening of the very idea of what constitutes news, and thus what constitutes a news organization. This change, long since begun by Jon Stewart and MTV election coverage, is still at work today; to the question 'Is Facebook a news organization?' neither 'yes' nor 'no' is a satisfactory answer. (A better reply is 'Mu,' programmer-speak for 'The question as asked has no sensible answer.') Facebook is critical to the news ecosystem, yet it is organized along lines that are out of synch with anything we would recognize as a journalistic organization; its presence alters the context of that question.
There will also be fading clarity as to what constitutes 'the news,' full stop. Institutions persistently mistake shallow continuity for deep structure; news isn't a coherent or ontologically robust category; it is a constantly negotiated set of public utterances by a shifting set of actors, one that happened to go through a period of relative stability in 20th-century America. We are seeing the end of that stability, the end of the curious bookkeeping that says that the St. Louis Post-Dispatch is a news organization, even though it runs Annie's Mailbox and the funny pages, while Little Green Footballs is not, even though Charles Johnson did a better job than CBS in vetting the phony National Guard memos involving George W. Bush's service.
The production of news has moved from being a set of jobs to a set of activities; there will always be a core of full-time practitioners, but there will be an increasing amount of participation by people working part time, often as volunteers, and distributed by people who will concentrate less on questions of what is news and what isn't than on questions like 'Will my friends or followers like this?' Increasing overlap and collaboration between the full- and part-time practitioners, and between the employees and the volunteers, will be a core challenge over the rest of the decade.
This will be a world where the biggest changes have come in the roles of not full-time journalists, but of the public, where atomized consumption and private discussion in small groups have given way to a riot of alternate ways of sharing, commenting on and even helping shape or produce the news.
All of us are adapting to this changed environment; the existing institutions and the new ones, the full-time shapers of the news and the part-time ones, the generalists and the specialists. And perhaps the single most important adaptive trait is to recognize that that we are in a revolution, in its sense of a change so large that the existing structure of society can't contain it without being altered by it.
In a revolution, strategies that worked for decades may simply stop working (as many already have). Strategies that seemed impossible or insane a few years ago may now be perfectly suited to the current environment. This period is not over, and the end is not even in sight; the near future will hold more such reversals, so that even up-to-the-minute strategies of a few years ago (RSS feeds and staff blogs) may fade into prosaic capabilities, while new ones (the ability to hunt for mysteries instead of secrets, the ability to bring surprising new voices to public attention) may become newly important.
More than any one strategy or capability, the core virtue in this environment is a commitment to adapting as the old certainties break and adopting the new capabilities we can still only partially understand, and to remember that the only reason any of this matters to more than the current employees of what we used to call the news industry is that journalism–real reporting, about whatever someone somewhere doesn't want published–is an essential public good.
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Andy wrote:
> Some of McDonald's 10 Best Restaurants
> Travel channel had a show on various McDonald restaurants around the world.
> The most interesting one was one with a "Diner" inside. You down in booths
> and a waiter hands you Denny's style menus with 120+ additional offerings
> aside from the typical burgers.
> When you were ready to order you picked up a "red phone" on your booth wall
> and press the big yellow button and send in your order and 5 minutes later,
> dinner was served. Real plates and silverware even!
> You could order a full turkey dinner, chicken fried steak dinner, Belgian
> waffles were some of the dishes they showed. The waiter at the table
> declared "Please, no tipping allowed."
> This was a newer model than the Diner they opened in 1990.
> I can't shake the thought of McDonalds trying to get out of the fast food
> biz! It didn't really look like a Diner of old, with the juke box selectors
> at each booth.
> The Times Square restaurant in NYC looked great. Modeled in a Broadway
> backstage motif, black walls, tables, narrow hallways, etc.
> One, somewhere near Orlando, FL, looked a lot like a Chuckie-Cheez with
> more space devoted to indoor playground, video games, etc. They even served
> pizza.
> The #1 McDonalds was in Rome, Italy. I forget the name of the sectioon of
> town but it was in the high rent/fashion district. An opulence of marble,
> archways, columns and fresco paintings. And the most expensive Big Mac in
> the world, so they said. Now I want to visit Italy more than ever.
> The McDonalds here in town looks pretty outdated by comparison. Run down is
> probably a better term for it.
> And I don't even eat McDonalds.
> Andy
The McDonalds franchisee here in our Parish has several of the stores.
He offers free wireless computer service including two laptops bolted
down to a table, free coffee to senior citizens plus a senior discount.
Every store has a ROMEO group eating there every morning except Sundays
because of his policies. He even gave all the ROMEO's their own coffee
cups with, of course, McDonalds on them. Comes by once in awhile to talk
to the folks too.
Nothing as fancy as what you mentioned but everyone appreciates being
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RE: is this fabulous volunteer Desert Marigold? (Follow-Up #2)
posted by: fabaceae_native on 07.23.2012 at 01:51 pm in Southwestern Gardening Forum
Looks a lot like brittlebush, Encelia farinosa. I don't think it's ever called desert marigold, but it sure is a fabulous volunteer at any rate. It carpets the roadsides in color after rains in the low desert, and was important as a source of incense in early Southwestern missions.
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RE: lilac bushes?? (Follow-Up #5)
posted by: Chef919 on 04.08.2005 at 10:09 am in Southwestern Gardening Forum
Persian lilac or chinese lilac will grow in Vegas and phoenix and SHOULD bloom. I'm far from an expert on the topic but I know some people who have them and I just planted one myself. I don't believe it is a true lilac although i could be wrong about that but it looks exactly like one and does much better in the desert heat. give that a shot.
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RE: New Mexico shaded veggie garden (Follow-Up #3)
posted by: rdr115 on 04.05.2012 at 08:52 pm in Southwestern Gardening Forum
I'm near Albuquerque. It isn't the summer heat so much--and it gets brutally hot here--but the intense solar radiation combined with the heat and lack of humidity. The higher you go, the more intense the solar radiation, and at our latitude New Mexico is within the area of highest solar radiation in the United states. I don't shade everything in my vegetable garden, but I do use light shade for, among other things, the greens and for the tomatoes. And they do a lot better now than when I didn't. And, by the way, a lot of ornamentals that require full sun elsewhere, do better here with dappled shade or just a half day of full sun. I've noticed shading on backyard gardens in Albuquerque's north valley, too.
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RE: Tomatoes in the Desert (Follow-Up #4)
posted by: rdr115 on 09.02.2012 at 04:13 am in Southwestern Gardening Forum
One of the best I've found for desert growing is Punta Banda, originally from Baja California. Medium size fruit, great taste. As far as I know, not commercially available as plants, but J.L. Hudson sells seed. I save my own seed and have noticed that over the years the tomatoes are getting larger and larger even though they're grown in an isolated area where hybridizing shouldn't be a problem.
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RE: Tomatoes in the Desert (Follow-Up #1)
posted by: lazygardens on 08.05.2012 at 02:01 pm in Southwestern Gardening Forum
1 - drip irrigation and heavy mulch for uniform moisture
2 - afternoon shade
3 - royal chico reportedly takes heat and matt's wild cherry is taking over my yard. Matt's is a tiny cherry tomato, grows in small clusters, sets fruit and ripens almost all year.
Most "heirlooms" are from moister, cooler climates and probably can't tolerate the heat.
If you want to experiment, find some roma tomatoes from mexico this summer and save the seeds. They aren't the true roma variety, they are a paste tomato developed to tolerate the heat of the sonoran coast.
Your other alternative is to grow the extreme short-season tomatoes developed for canada so you can get a crop in spring and fall, skipping the summer heat.
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RE: Question about growing fruit in Las Cruces (Follow-Up #6)
posted by: Vanessa 7/8 (Guest) on 08.13.2008 at 02:52 pm in Southwestern Gardening Forum
Hi All, In Las Cruces four months now. Experimented with several types of trees. Found that of the ones we tried the Apple trees, Plums, Peach, Pomegranate and fig are looking the best. Also planted some grape vines. THose are doing quite well. Although my husband wants to go back to Alaska in the spring now. Guess it's hard to stay gone from anywhere after living in a place so long. THis place will be our retirement castle. GOnna experiment in many new things in an equally difficult climate on the opposite end of the spectrum. :) Plant some tried and true varieties for Alaska and in some unknowns. GOnna buy a VERY large greenhouse and try some fruits in that. Thanks all for your advice. Maybe by retirement we will come to our "retirement castle" with these trees matured!
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RE: Question about growing fruit in Las Cruces (Follow-Up #3)
posted by: petzold6596 on 05.14.2008 at 08:31 pm in Southwestern Gardening Forum
Welcome Vanessa, the NMSU Coop. Extension Service is right here. Google - it. Tucson has a very similar climate. The web is full of info. A friend of ours in the valley has a peach and apple tree that gets watered with the grass and the trees produce like zucchinis.
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RE: Question about growing fruit in Las Cruces (Follow-Up #2)
posted by: desertlvr on 04.15.2008 at 05:36 pm in Southwestern Gardening Forum
Hello Vanessa, welcome to desert gardening. Fig and pomegranite trees are fast growing and drought tolerant. Apricots grow well here, as do almonds, pistachios, and pecans. Try "Enchanted Gardens" on Avenida de Mesilla. Jackeye, the owner and plantswoman, is a wonderful resource. There are challenges to gardening here to be sure, but a long growing season makes up for them.
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RE: Question about growing fruit in Las Cruces (Follow-Up #1)
posted by: lorna-organic on 04.14.2008 at 04:02 pm in Southwestern Gardening Forum
Hello, Vanessa, I live about twenty miles south of Albuquerque, so we aren't in the same zone. However, I've been told peaches do very well here. I have an old apricot tree on my property. It produces a lot of fruit, but the fruit usually falls to the ground a few days before it is ripe enough to eat. A farmer told me to pick the unripe fruit, put it in a bucket, and cover it with plastic. He said it will soon ripen and be just fine. I haven't yet tried it.
I put in two almond trees, when I moved here five years ago. This year they are covered with buds. I've heard there is an apple orchard in this area, but I haven't seen it.
You do have to make sure your trees get sufficient water. If your area is windy, you will need to water more frequently. Water deeply. If winters are dry, I do a good soaking once a month. During summer I give young trees a good soaking once a week. If you mulch, it will help the soil to retain moisture.
Good luck!
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RE: Vine for chain link fence (Follow-Up #2)
posted by: ExoticRGVNativesTy on 08.19.2012 at 07:59 pm in Southwestern Gardening Forum
Drummond's Clematis would work well and cover the fence with white plumes. Roving Sailor (Maurandella antirrhiniflora), which has small purple flowers, is another good option. Both are native to the Southwest.
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RE: Raspberries in Albuquerque (Follow-Up #4)
posted by: rightwingback-1 on 03.05.2013 at 03:19 am in Southwestern Gardening Forum
My take on berry bushes in Albuquerque. I know of some commercial Raspberries grown in the area, but I think these are in Zone A2-in mountain humus soils. In ABQ proper alkaline will keep you from either having fruit set, or it will stunt and die over time. Use a treated water to lower Ph to 4.0 Our H2O is even too alkaline.
Interesting that someone on the Front Range has been growing berries (Blueberries no less)in peet bales, and sinking the bales into the earth-with only puncture on top planting hole. It is how I now grow mine. Don't fail to wrap your twigs over winter with a warm cheese cloth-or suffer wind kill.
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RE: anybody growing hardy citrus in abq or nm? (Follow-Up #8)
posted by: rdr115 on 04.21.2013 at 01:14 am in Southwestern Gardening Forum
Follow-up to my message of Spring 2012 re planting two Citrumelos in Los Lunas (20 miles south of Albuquerque). The trees were six years old, each about six feet high. As of this writing, one tree is dead, but one is alive and well and leafing out (as is the Citrus trifoliata, one of the Citrumelo's parents). Actually, the dead tree dropped its leaves and the bark turned brown last November as soon as the nightime temps were pretty consistently in the 20's. The remaining tree also dropped its leaves at the same time, but the bark remained green throughout winter. FYI January this year averaged 29F, daily average high was 42F and daily average low was 15F (seven nights in single digits with lowest at 4F). Three nights ago we had a sudden freeze here down to 24F which seriously scorched the emerging Mulberry and Ailanthus tree leaves, but the new Citrumelo leaves appear unaffected. I can only speculate that cold hardiness for Citrumelos may be variable which I remember was the case in lemon and orange groves in So. California when I lived there.
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RE: anybody growing hardy citrus in abq or nm? (Follow-Up #7)
posted by: fabaceae_native on 02.17.2013 at 11:17 pm in Southwestern Gardening Forum
While Alamogordo is one of the warmer places in the state, it is still too cold for 'standard' citrus outside without protection. If I'm not mistaken they hit -18 there during our freak record freeze of 2011!
But there are (or were, I've not heard a report on how they weathered that freeze) lots of palm trees. And pomegranates, pistachios, and pecans, among other things, are grown there commercially. The 2012 Hardiness Zone Map calls it a solid 8a.
If I lived in Alamogordo I would totally experiment with hardy citrus a la Stan McKenzie. Anything hardy to around 10 degrees would be worth growing there (and protected during the rare big freezes like we saw in 2011).
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RE: anybody growing hardy citrus in abq or nm? (Follow-Up #4)
posted by: rdr115 on 02.19.2012 at 08:44 pm in Southwestern Gardening Forum
Fabaceae: I have the trifoliate-orange cultivar 'Flying Dragon'--about 4 ft high so smaller than the regular plant, columnar habit, with very contorted and twisted stems and branches. And savage thorns (citrumelo has inherited those.) The fruit is less than golf-ball size with a thick, hard rind and almost no pulp, just seeds. I'm not into sugary foods so haven't made marmelade, but have grated rinds for zest which is very bitter. Flowers typical for Citrus, highly scented. Ripe fruits are fuzzy yellow, not orange. In my book very worth growing. It flowers fairly late in spring so avoids heavy frosts (so far). For fresh eating I have two Meyer lemon trees and some kumquats. These are outdoors in summer and in the house in winter. Very reliable. I've tried many other citrus with less than satisfactory results.
The citrumelos are in very large containers and have not flowered. Hopefully they will if they can get established in the ground. It'll be a learning experience. What citrumelo might do here is one thing--after 22 years here I have learned not to rely on horticultural information from "authorities" who have never gardened in the middle Rio Grande valley. This place lends new meaning to the whole shtick.
By the way, I see that the new Flora of China has transferred the trifoliate-orange to the genus Citrus, making Poncirus trifoliata a synonym of Citrus trifoliata.
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RE: anybody growing hardy citrus in abq or nm? (Follow-Up #1)
posted by: rdr115 on 02.10.2012 at 06:01 pm in Southwestern Gardening Forum
I'm 20 or so miles south of Albuquerque in an infamous frost pocket and have had Poncirus trifoliata for ages. It weathered last February's subzero temps (lowest at -15F) with no apparent problem and as a matter of fact never flowered and fruited better than last summer. (And it's planted in adobe clay.) I have two very large 6-year old citrumelos that are going to have to be planted out this spring as they are too large to be hauled in anymore. Like the trifoliate orange they are deciduous, so I have hopes they'll last, though I won't hold my breath for any fruit.
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anybody growing hardy citrus in abq or nm?
posted by: fabaceae_native on 02.09.2012 at 01:23 pm in Southwestern Gardening Forum
As a zone pusher, especially when it comes to fruiting plants, I have been researching hardy citrus hybrids for the last few years, without actually having taken the plunge into purchasing some. I've not found any evidence of anyone experimenting with these plants in NM, even though there are plenty of folks doing it in much colder zones.
Here is what I've discovered:
All of this is without protection, so with the kind of assistance some folks in ABQ have been giving their palm trees over the years, outside citrus could be doable. Let's not forget that Zone8 El Paso does have the odd orange tree! Oh, and according to the new 2012 USDA Hardiness Map, there are a few Zone9 spots in NM that should have no trouble with certain of the conventional citrus.
I'd love to hear anyone's anecdotes...
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RE: Honey Mesquite seed and Screwbean Mesquite seed (Follow-Up #23)
posted by: wintermantel on 06.05.2012 at 04:38 pm in Southwestern Gardening Forum
Hello Everybody,
I have been seeking the seeds of Honey Mesquite. I'm from Hungary, and I would like to try this plant here for beekeeping. I tried every nurseries (not just in Hungary, but in other European countries) but couldn't find it. This tree is hardly known here.
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RE: Honey Mesquite seed and Screwbean Mesquite seed (Follow-Up #15)
posted by: mikevanecek on 05.17.2008 at 03:13 pm in Southwestern Gardening Forum
I'm also hunting for honey mesquite seeds. I'm not sure if what I have already is honey mesquite or a regular mesquite but I'd like to get a known variety growing for my honeybees. How many years does a seedling take to get to flowering maturity?
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RE: Honey Mesquite seed and Screwbean Mesquite seed (Follow-Up #10)
posted by: chris_sciarretta on 09.23.2006 at 10:56 am in Southwestern Gardening Forum
Sorry for the late response... Basically the process for making flour from the pods is the following:
A bit more info:
For all of this I loosely followed a whole bunch of sources, but the book American Indian Food and Lore by Carolyn Niethammer in particular is excellent, with detailed descriptions for processing mesquite and loads of other wild plant foods. It is beautiful as well as practical, and includes lots of recipes too. I imagine it's out of print, but is probably easy to get used online.
Hope this helps,
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RE: Honey Mesquite seed and Screwbean Mesquite seed (Follow-Up #6)
posted by: chris_sciarretta on 08.29.2006 at 04:43 pm in Southwestern Gardening Forum
I've grown all kinds of things from seed, including honey mesquite and velvet mesquite. Leguminous trees are definitely some of my favorites to grow.
As far as mesquites go, you can expect very fast growth, at least when young and with plenty of water. A year from germinating you should have a cute little plant around three feet tall, and supposedly it can start producing pods a couple years later. Germination rates are also very good (around 100%), as long as you clean the seeds well, scarify them, and let them sit overnight in water before planting in soil. Make sure to protect the young plants from herbivores, which will eat the leaves and tender shoots, setting the growth back significantly.
Also, as regards to mesquite's edibility, yes I've tried it, and it's great! A couple years ago I gathered enough pods of velvet mesquite in Southeastern AZ to grind into about ten pounds of flour (with a hand grain mill). The grinding and sifting took much more time than the harvesting, which is very quick and easy. I'm still using the last of that batch of mesquite flour to mix with regular flour for pancakes, bread, etc. It's delicious and very nutritious.
I'd love to hear more about your plant adventures. Hope this was helpful,
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RE: Honey Mesquite seed and Screwbean Mesquite seed (Follow-Up #3)
posted by: randit on 07.10.2006 at 02:19 am in Southwestern Gardening Forum
I will try to get your Mesquite seeds in the mail tomorrow...Have fun with them. I hadn't a clue, that these seeds/pods were good for anything other than growing wonderful drought-tolerant shade trees...
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acacia willow
posted by: Hummingbird48 on 05.29.2013 at 06:20 pm in Southwestern Gardening Forum
I have three acacia willows in my small backyard and they have adventitious roots that are sprouting up all over the yard. Can this be prevented or do I just keep cutting them off at ground-level?
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RE: Drought-Tolerant Privacy Hedge With Non-Invasive Roots? (Follow-Up #1)
posted by: lazygardens on 06.23.2013 at 04:19 pm in Southwestern Gardening Forum
Does Hop bush (Dodonea viscosa) grow in that area? It can be trimmed or sheared into a hedge, grows quickly and is drought tolerant when established.
Deep green color, dense growth and if you water it well it grows really fast.
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RE: Anyone growing bamboo in the SW? (Follow-Up #21)
posted by: gladtidings on 08.20.2013 at 05:00 pm in Southwestern Gardening Forum
Casa Grande AZ - I have these growing and all are doing well
Bambusa chungii Barbellata
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RE: Anyone growing bamboo in the SW? (Follow-Up #19)
posted by: fm54312 on 01.12.2011 at 05:29 pm in Southwestern Gardening Forum
Is that the bamboo that they pulled out of encanto park? If it is there is some good news for you: that is a clumping bamboo and there is no need to try to contain it. It is just going to make a giant mass like the ones that they pulled out at the park. How is it doing now?
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RE: Anyone growing bamboo in the SW? (Follow-Up #17)
posted by: chagrin on 10.25.2007 at 04:02 am in Southwestern Gardening Forum
I grabbed a couple of bamboo culms from my sister's backyard in San Diego three years ago--my brother-in-law said it was named "Celestial something or other" (that's all he could remember). He said it would never be hardy where I live in New Mexico (Los Lunas, 20 miles south of ABQ). So I put the culms in a 12-inch plastic pot in regular potting mix and set it outside next to the house. Three years later it's still in the same pot and has stalks up to 10 ft high. And we've had down to zero fahrenheit several times. It's never been fed, but in summer I water it every other day as I do the entire garden. Last week I showed it to a visitor who lives a few miles down the highway, and she wasn't surprised at all, said a lot of people around here have true hardy bamboo--not cane grasses--and there is escaped bamboo near some of the irrigation ditches.
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RE: Anyone growing bamboo in the SW? (Follow-Up #16)
posted by: kerrydee on 09.22.2007 at 12:47 pm in Southwestern Gardening Forum
I was disappointed to hear jay2's Phyllostachys aureosulcata (yellow goove)were only 12' in 9 years. I live in las cruces and was going to try that species but I thought they were to grow into a 35' screen in a few years.. thats what im looking for. any suggestions?
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RE: Anyone growing bamboo in the SW? (Follow-Up #15)
posted by: freddie100 on 12.29.2006 at 12:14 am in Southwestern Gardening Forum
Been growing various types of bamboo with no problem in the Phoenix area. I just give it a little water and fertilize once in a while. My Old Hammi(?) timber bamboo has 4" shoots.
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RE: Anyone growing bamboo in the SW? (Follow-Up #10)
posted by: dryndusty on 06.16.2006 at 01:46 am in Southwestern Gardening Forum
Several homes in Gisela, Arizona have substantial clumps of bamboo, about 15 feet tall. It all looks pretty ratty, but then, it's all exposed to full sun, full wind and zone 9 heat. When I work myself up to it, I'll ask for a start.
I visited the Black Mountain Lodge in Kingston, New Mexico, a few years back, and they have a healthy grove developing.
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RE: Anyone growing bamboo in the SW? (Follow-Up #6)
posted by: cochiseaz8 on 04.03.2004 at 12:54 am in Southwestern Gardening Forum
I have a variety of cane grass that is normaly called bamboo in this area and it is the most evasive, nasty , god rotting thing that I've put in the garden!! So far, it's respondsible for puttin out 2 walls, (1500.00 $) totally wreaking 2 vegie beds, and up-ending the hot tub (which now needs to be replaced) Bamboo is a grusome reality check, love darlene
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RE: Anyone growing bamboo in the SW? (Follow-Up #2)
posted by: Jay2 on 07.07.2003 at 10:41 pm in Southwestern Gardening Forum
There are many species of bamboo that do fine in containers. I have one bamboo plant (golden) in an old whiskey barrel that does fine and golden has always been a good container bamboo. However, the container bamboos will never get as tall or full as bamboo planted in the soil. Part of the beauty of bamboo is having a grove of it. The soil around my house is very easy to dig, so it's easy for me to dig down about a foot to create a pit into which I can put the bamboo plants and then fill in the pit with peat moss, compost and leaf litter. Every plant of every species I've planted has survived, it is just that the southwest desert is a sub-optimal environment for bamboo, so it won't grow as well as in Alabama or Oregon. Nevertheless, I like to keep trying. Each plant is my "pet" so I like pampering them. Thanks for the link to the Tucson Botanical Gardens. However, I did't see anything about bamboo on it.
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Anyone growing bamboo in the SW?
posted by: Jay2 on 07.06.2003 at 03:24 pm in Southwestern Gardening Forum
I have been growing bamboo in the middle Rio Grande Valley in New Mexico for several years. Anyone else out there in the south west trying to do the same? There are lots of challenges with the alkaline soil, little rainfall and dry air. However, I have about 100 plants of about 6 species of Phyllostachys, namely aureus (golden), aureosulcata (yellow goove), nigra (black), henon (gray), megurochiku (yellow with black stripes) and rubromarginata (red margin). The golden and yellow groove are the oldest (9 years) and are about 12 feet tall and 1 inch in diameter. All the other species were just planted this year. I dig pits about a foot or so down and then plant the bamboo in the pit and then fill in the pit with peat moss and compost. I then put leaf litter on the top. I water the pits once a week with a few inches of water per pit. Bamboo will not grow into dry ground, so the usual problems of "running" bamboo (all the Phyllotachys species) being hard to contain is not a problem in desert enviroments. For other bamboo (around 60 Ph. aureus plants) that are along a fence line, I have a soaker hose and let it run overnight once a week. I also add ironite to the soil to decrease the pH. I fertalize with lawn, slow acting fertalizer in the spring and early summer. This year I am going to try putting high phosphorus fertalizer on in the fall to stimulate root growth. The bamboo is very beautiful and gives our acre a tropical look. Of course, the bamboo stays green all year round. I buy the bamboo from the various on-line bamboo vendors. There is a bamboo forum on Gardenweb, where one can learn a lot about bamboo. I am particularly interested in people's experience with various species in the southwest and various ways of caring for bamboo in the southwest.
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RE: Fragrant Plants for the Desert (Follow-Up #9)
posted by: Yvonne Santin 9 (Guest) on 05.25.2011 at 07:22 pm in Southwestern Gardening Forum
Regarding planting lilacs here in Las Vegas It is best to plant them facing the north side of a wall with shade and also shade from the west side. If you plant them where they are exposed to the sun (which is what I did the first time) they will burn.I moved them to where they receive morning sun and have done quite well. I have 2 angel white lilac and 2 sensation lilac bushes. Good luck!
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RE: Fragrant Plants for the Desert (Follow-Up #5)
posted by: diggy800 on 12.12.2003 at 05:16 pm in Southwestern Gardening Forum
Another highly fragrant flowering plant that enjoys sun is Pink Trumpet Vine. It grows very well here in Tucson (similar to Vegas?), attracts hummingbirds, and flowers for a long time summer through late, late fall.
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RE: Fragrant Plants for the Desert (Follow-Up #3)
posted by: Rolf_Jacobs on 11.23.2003 at 01:10 am in Southwestern Gardening Forum
Just bought a cultivar of Texas Ranger from a nursery in Tucson. Silver leaves and deep purple flowers. Extremely tough plant. Flowers smell like grape soda. The nursery is called "Desert Survivors". Well known. Do not know if they ship via mail. Also suggest you try Trichostema lanatum. Stunning plant. No other way to describe it. The flowers, while fantastic to look at, do not smell. Long lasting as a cut flower. The leaves have a scent to die for. Crush a few and you will fill the room with scent. They are native to San Benito County in CA and grow in poor soil on south facing slopes. Needs full sun and perfect drainage. Water every 2 weeks at most once established. 2 blooms per year if you are lucky. I have a 1/3 kill rate and that is down from 50%. Every time I plant one of these, people actually stop their cars in the street to check it out. Another tough plant for sunny areas is Artemsia tridentata and californicus. On a hot day when the sun vaporizes the volital oils in the leaves, you can smell the scent from several feet away. Both are native to CA high deserts. Have you tried Lavenders? They are pretty tough.
Good luck.
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RE: Fragrant Plants for the Desert (Follow-Up #2)
posted by: vegasrenie on 11.15.2003 at 12:21 pm in Southwestern Gardening Forum
Hi Leslie,
Thanks so much for all the information. I really appreciate it! I'm considering planting Hall's honeysuckle along my backyard block wall. I know it's going to be a lot of work - it can grow crazy, but I do like the fragrance and the fact that it's pretty self-sufficient. I'm also considering bouganvillea, since my new neighbors seem to have it everywhere and I love the look even though there's no fragrance.
How does Mock Orange do here as a small hedge? I'm considering pulling out the one privet and replacing it with that, even though I know it has a limited blooming period.
Thanks for the tip on the moonflower. I'll look into it.
The homes in my division are placed at an angle on the lots, which means that there is shade during all hours of daylight, not only from the neighbors' trees but also from the block wall. It's an interesting configuration, but it was really a pretty clever way to make sure that the yards didn't always get beaten by the summer sun. With that in mind, the desire for evergreen tree is just due to laziness, lol, as I don't like raking in the fall/winter! My last home had a fruitless mulberry whose whole mission in life was to keep me raking throughout winter. My favorite evergreens or semi-deciduous trees are Texas Honey Mesquite (my favorite of the mesquites), Australian Willow, or African Sumac. I especially love the cinnamon-y look of the Sumac bark. I don't want any fruit trees unless I can figure out how to grow citrus trees here.
I will also look into the Alyssum. My walkway is very small and I would like to keep a constant array of nice, preferably fragrant plants there. I just removed a trailing lantana, as the foliage odor nauseates me and would fill my house with its smell. (small house).
Thanks again for all the info!
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RE: Fragrant Plants for the Desert (Follow-Up #1)
posted by: TomatoLadyInLasVegas on 11.14.2003 at 07:15 am in Southwestern Gardening Forum
Hi Irene,
Alyssum is fragrant and lines a walkway nicely. It also acts as a living mulch and looks good under roses. Mix in some Dahlias, verbena, Oriental Lily, Iris or annuals for color. They all do better in the desert when planted in alyssum because alyssum shades the soil and keeps it moist and cooler. The plants love to grow in it. Broadcast seed in March. It comes back every year from seeds from the plants. Nice plant.
Gardenias don't like our heat or soil and are a disappointment in Las Vegas. They are a nice houseplant here because they require acid soil and cooler temps.
The jasmines have a short spring bloom season and I find them rangy, ugly and woody in the fall/winter. Plant anytime.
A beautiful fall and winter blooming vine (also comes as a shrub) is Cape Honeysuckle, bright orange flower and a lovely shiny dark green leaf. It has strong shoots and does not vine like jasmines. No fragrance. Plant anytime. Or try Passion Vine, Bower Vine,,, or Lady Banks rose, strong shoots, does not vine, white is fragrant & yellow is not, spring bloomer, tons of flowers. Plant anytime. The trick in Las Vegas is to keep the sun off the soil and this is where the alyssum works well.
Simplicity Hedge Rose grows quickly and there is a picture of them in the Test Garden section of the Gallery on my website. www.sweettomatotestgarden.com. It has no thorns so the pups will not get scratched. Plant anytime.
A good summer night bloomer, a highly fragrant flowered vine, annual and super fast grower, is Moonflower. Plant from seed directly into the ground after March. It can grow more than 6 feet per day with vines over 20 feet. It fills in pretty quick and only blooms on cloudy days and during the night.
All hanging baskets need to have afternoon filtered light and drip watering from a timer. The small amount of soil in the pots dries out here every few hours during the hot days. I hang my baskets on the north side of the porch and in the trees. Dark red, dark orange, geraniums do fine in the sun. I stay away from the pale flower colors in the desert for baskets, the pale pink, yellow and lilac shades don't seem to bloom as profusely in our heat. Verbenas, lantanas, grasses, heuchara (spelling?), alyssum, osteospermum and mini roses in the dark shades grow well in baskets. Add ivy if you have shade. There are lots more.
I can't help you with the trees, unless you like fruit trees. Pines and cypress are evergreen. Usually evergreens are planted away from the house as they block the warm sun in the winter. Deciduous trees are usually planted to shade the house from the summer sun and allow the sun to warm the house in the winter. This can save a lot of heat/AC costs. If you decide to plant a large deciduous tree, a full size apricot is easy to grow and the shape is pretty in the winter even without the leaves. The Royal Rosa variety is a super fast grower. Pretty red blossoms in the spring. I planted a 3 foot bareroot whip last Feb. and it has grown 4 more feet this season. It is now about 7 feet tall.
Here is a link that might be useful: Sweet Tomato Test Garden
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Deciduous vine or evergreen? (Follow-Up #3)
posted by: Organic_Posterity on 10.09.2013 at 03:08 pm in Southwestern Gardening Forum
If the temp drops hard in the winter, then I guess deciduous like a hardy grape such as concord or another native cross. Wisteria is also a very hardy any monster grower once established. Hops is the money. Sambac Jasmine is slow growing and requires straps but smells and tastes so good(Grand Dukes especially).
If it's hot year around, passifora edulis, Honey suckles, and creeping fig is you want a battle.
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RE: vines to grow on pergola (Follow-Up #1)
posted by: bostedo on 09.22.2013 at 02:45 pm in Southwestern Gardening Forum
If you want evergreen, some of the native coral honeysuckles (lonicera sempervirens) should work in your zone. Though don't know if all improved cultivars, such as 'Major Wheeler', can thrive in 9.
For deciduous, one of the 'Madame' trumpet vine hybrids (campsis x tagliabuana) should work. The native campsis radicans would also work, but future owners may curse you.
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RE: Growing Blueberries in High Desert?? (Follow-Up #7)
posted by: fruitnut on 01.13.2011 at 12:38 am in Southwestern Gardening Forum
I've had very good luck in pots. Have had some plants in the same 15 gal pot for 6 years. They produce every year and need frequent pruning or they'd be way too big. Ave yield is about 5-8 lbs per plant.
Acid soil is the key and it's best to plant only after the pH is 5.5 or below. I use rainwater as alkaline well water will kill the plants in a year or so. For fertilizer the slow release type for acid loving plants works well. Ammonium sulfate, 21-0-0, is good in small doses.
A good starter variety in medium chill areas would be Star. It blooms late and matures early.
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RE: Growing Blueberries in High Desert?? (Follow-Up #4)
posted by: lorna-organic on 07.24.2007 at 08:16 pm in Southwestern Gardening Forum
I live on a mesa in central NM. I have a few potted blueberry bushes. I use peat and pine needles to provide the acid which all berries love. My blueberries are shaded from most of the hot afternoon sun.
I read about a person getting a government grant to try growing raspberriesin NM, a commercial venture. The person was very successful and has a working raspberry farm! I don't remember exactly where the person has their farm. I believe it is a mountain area.
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RE: Growing Blueberries in High Desert?? (Follow-Up #1)
posted by: bigbear1 on 05.19.2006 at 08:40 am in Southwestern Gardening Forum
I am in an inland valley in So. Cal. where it gets quite hot, and have had no problem with southern highbush BB's. I have mine in containers, some are planted in 100% peat moss, others in a potting mix formulated for acid loving plants, which is available anywhere. I fertilize lightly usually 3 times a year. (They are sensitive to over fertiling.)During summer a couple of hours of afternoon shade wouldn't hurt, but I would judge it based on how your plants look. Where did you purchase your plants? That sounds like a great price.
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