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If only EA and Konami could get together...
posted by csdesigns (APEX, NC) Mar 17, 2008
Member since Nov 2007
2 out of 2 gamers (100%) found this review helpful
But as it is with any sports title, the graphics can stand a bit on the wayside (although begrudgingly) if the controls are intuitive and respond accordingly. Which is what this game delivers. For the other poster to complain about the controls, not to bash him too much, but I have to ask if you have ever played FIFA 08? FIFA looked really nice, but the user-controlled players were always over-animating and I never felt like I was in complete control of the characters, especially when trying to make cuts with the ball. To me, that ruined the experience in FIFA, and really, its been that way ever since the last gen for that series. PES still lacks a large number of features and depth that the EA series has had for some time now, but the gameplay and control still belong to Konami.
If you own any of the last few games in the PES (Winning 11) series on PS2, then there may not be much reason to check this game out. But then again that's what gamefly is for... checking out games before you buy them to decide if its worth your money.
posted by edlglide (ATLANTA, GA) Mar 20, 2008
Member since Feb 2008
4 out of 5 gamers (80%) found this review helpful
If your main interest is online play, then I agree. PES 2008 is a mess online; the game is essentially unplayable. FIFA 2008 is a much better choice for the gamer who plans to spend most of his time online.
However, if you enjoy playing offline against the computer or your friends, then PES 2008 should be the choice. As usual, the gameplay is stellar -- players move, dribble, pass, and shoot exactly as you'd expect them to. There are a huge number of animations; you can play for hours and still see new animations every game. Everything about the game feels like real soccer; FIFA 2008 still hasn't reached this level of realistic soccer simulation.
The graphics on PES are underwhelming. It looks more like an upgraded PS2/Xbox title than a next-gen PS3/360 game. The previously mentioned animations help make up for it, but Konami should really be able to produce a game that looks better than this, especially two years into the life of these consoles.
In the end though, gameplay is what matters the most. And the gameplay is fantastic; you won't find a better soccer game. I enjoy playing the game offline in Master League mode, and the broken online play doesn't bother me as much as it will other players. Thus I give this game a 9/10 -- the gameplay is so good that it makes up for the other shortcomings.
However, as I said earlier, if you plan to spend a lot of time playing online, you should probably go with FIFA 2008. Despite still lagging behind PES in realistic gameplay, the online works wonderfully whereas PES' does not. Hopefully Konami will release a patch to fix the broken online play, but until then PES is strictly an offline experience.
Give it a try? or Pass
posted by Otttoman (BROOKLYN, NY) Mar 17, 2008
Member since Jan 2008
4 out of 7 gamers (57%) found this review helpful
I would say graphics , story , controls . Game would be good only when theese 3 elements come togather and balance .
Dear PES 2008 i could not see any "THING" that you were using "mighty" cells of PS3, plus controls are horrible . It is not the same game anymore. It is not like it used to be .... you get togather with your friends have couple beer and play it whole night until your eyes get stuck and start seeing things double ... :)
There is no available update function , for recent squads >not even radio like FIFA series ... It feels like the game was made for PS2 and developers changed it last second.
So i think this game is not going to last long ...
If i had another chance i wouldnt waste my time renting it .FIFA 08 is a much better replacment ...
PES 2008 is more fun than Fifa 2008
posted by pollux (SOUTHLAKE, TX) Mar 22, 2008
Member since Mar 2008
2 out of 4 gamers (50%) found this review helpful
I have read mixed reviews about both games, and I found it hard to find any consensus between ratings sites. The only way for me to decide was to try them both out. Fifa has the licensed teams, which admittedly is a big plus, but you can download option files to fix the fake team names on PES. I haven't tried out online play on PES, but I have heard it's so laggy that it's unplayable, so you might want to take that into consideration. The bottom line is that PES 2008 is fun to play and Fifa 2008 isn't.
Good but not that good.
posted by CrazyPlaya (MENIFEE, CA) Mar 17, 2008
Member since Dec 2007
1 out of 2 gamers (50%) found this review helpful
Online play for rental??
posted by Bloggerme (LAKE HIAWATHA, NJ) Mar 18, 2008
Member since Jan 2008
1 out of 4 gamers (25%) found this review helpful
Above Average
Online gameplay??
posted by Parcerito (MIAMI, FL) Mar 19, 2008
Member since Dec 2006
1 out of 5 gamers (20%) found this review helpful
Very Good
still waiting !!!!
posted by Zeee13 (FAIRVIEW, OR) Nov 13, 2008
Member since Jun 2008
Controls are too difficult
posted by topace88 (WOODSIDE, NY) Aug 10, 2008
Member since Mar 2008
the worst game ever!!!
posted by kakaaa (rockville, MD) Jul 28, 2008
Member since Jun 2008
Pro Evolution Soccer
posted by nader00 (MAPLE GROVE, MN) Jul 22, 2008
Member since Jul 2008
A+++ 100 times Better than FiFa 08
posted by zamalloa (FAIRFAX, VA) Jul 18, 2008
Member since Jul 2008
Pro Evolution Soccer 2008
posted by UsmanLV (LAS VEGAS, NV) Jul 17, 2008
Member since Jul 2008
Above Average
It doesn't score
posted by WetLight (SOMERVILLE, MA) Jul 17, 2008
Member since Jul 2008
I played with a few friends but the game wasn't a lot fun. It was awkward! The graphics are not last gen capable! Give it a try, you might like it!
Not a good game
posted by azul17 (TORRANCE, CA) Jun 25, 2008
Member since Jun 2008
Better than FIFA on gameplay
posted by BadBunny (INDIANAPOLIS, IN) May 21, 2008
Member since Jan 2007
Really Bad
The most dissapointing PES
posted by proevofan (BOTHELL, WA) Apr 23, 2008
Member since Oct 2007
1. PES has been getting negative review especially for PS3. I tried it and agree with the negative review.
2. FIFA 08 has a player update/roster feature that makes me not going to switch back to PES until it fixes this issue.
3. The worst design to lock the Online play with serial so I cannot play online thru gamefly.
4. The animation of players are so robotics
5. The game is so arcadish. Players move too quick like robots
6. I tried PS2 version it is way better than the PS3. Probably because not hi-def so the poor animation is probably hidden.
So this game not worth your dollars but penny.
Above Average
PES lost the race!!
posted by MO1978 (TROY, MI) Apr 17, 2008
Member since Mar 2007
PES points:
- the best PES so far (no surprise! ) with the HD, but yet far less than fifa07.
Presentation and content:
- Better content, and much better presentation than the previous version, but again, never compared with fif07.
- this has always been the strength point of PES and the weakness point of fifa games. Now, what happened?
Fifa significantly improved the gameplay to be more realistic and more enjoyable with plenty of moves. Whereas, PES continued to maintain the same good level of gameplay but with the drop of the frame rate while intensive play going on!. Having said that, for the same price, go and get the fifa07, and the PES guys have to think of something better. otherwise, it's a dead end for them.. so sad!!
pro evolution soccer 2008
posted by realmz1503 (Aliso Viejo, CA) Apr 17, 2008
Member since Mar 2008
boring if played alone though
over all fun exiting
and original
pro evo futbol (soccer)
posted by dankman4 (SPRINGDALE, PA) Apr 8, 2008
Member since Mar 2008
Pes 2008
posted by bumsun (RIVERSIDE, CA) Mar 31, 2008
Member since Sep 2007
it is better gameplay than fifa, but the box says online play and you can't even get online if you rent it. that is straight garbage. add to that there is lag on out of bounds play and long kicks. i paid $500 for next gen games not atari. don't buy this.......
posted by batistutas (ARCADIA, CA) Mar 19, 2008
Member since Mar 2008


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Cattlemen are being urged to tighten the area of the neck, where they give injections to cattle. The new, recommended site is smaller, but yet part of the triangle area that has been recommended since the first beef quality audit was conducted by the National Cattlemen's Beef Associa-tion (NCBA).
The new injection site zone is a hand's width in front of the shoulder and several inches shorter than the previous zone (see diagram).
This is a beef quality assurance (BQA) issue, as the beef industry wants to reduce the number of greenish lesions showing up in beef cases where retailers use modified-atmosphere packaging (MAP). This is a combination of 80% oxygen and 20% carbon dioxide used to promote bloom on packages of meat.
Dee Griffin, DVM and a member of the NCBA BQA Task Force, has conducted some of the studies related to MAP and the chuck muscle.
"We're talking about one muscle, the Serratus ventralis muscle, which is about 1 to 1.5 inches deep in the neck and extends into the injection site triangle from the shoulder side of the triangle and then halfway across the triangle. We need producers to avoid giving intramuscular (IM) injections in the back half," said Griffin
He explains that the study has shown 15% to 20% incidence of greenish lesions in chuck steaks, where MAP is used. These are non-visible injection site lesions, however, once the MAP process is applied, the meat develops a greenish cast in these areas. He says the greenish lesions are likely not new, they just had not been detected before the use of MAP.
By tightening the injection site area, this muscle is avoided and the incidence of lesions can be significantly reduced.
It is important to note that this particular cut of meat has gained popularity in recent years as its use by retailers for steaks has greatly increased.
The first beef quality audit revealed to the industry that over 20% of the sirloin steaks in the beef chain had lesions. At this time NCBA immediately began an education program to move all IM injections to the neck area as this was a huge economic factor for the industry and individual cattlemen. In less than a decade this percentage was reduce to just two percent from the previous 20 percent.
Now cattlemen are asked again to change their chute side ways and refine the area injected in the neck as part of the continued process to assure consumers of beef's safety.
Dr. Ron Gill with the Texas A&M Extension Service, recently spoke at the Beef Cattle Short-course at Texas A&M University on factors concerning proper injections.
He says to always inspect syringes prior to processing and to check the barrels for chips or cracks which would lead to leakage and under dosing. Cattlemen should check calibration and dosage settings prior to and continuously through the process. Some syringes can fluctuate dosage settings very easily, leading to under or overdosing.
He strongly cautioned beef producers to administer proper dosages of each product. Many products are now administered in low dose (2cc) volume to reduce injection site reaction. Many products are still formulated to be delivered in 5cc doses, while some products may be 2cc when administered alone, but 5cc when other products are included in the dose. He says to always read label and dosing instructions prior to processing. Many products have changed their dose rate or approved route of administration recently.
Quality and accurate calibration of syringes is vital. Even slight changes in working components change dose rates. Components can break or bend without being detected. Inspect carefully. Some multi-dose syringes are not accurate enough for low dose products. Always keep spare parts readily available in case something happens to the working syringe.
Gill also addressed the injection site issue and said to use the proper injection site and route of administration. IM injections should all be given in the neck and should be injected by inserting the needle perpendicular to the neck. Subcutaneous (SubQ) injections should be given in the neck region using the tent method or behind the foreleg in the elbow pocket. If products can be given either SubQ or IM, choose the SubQ route as in addition to the lesion problem, research has shown that tenderness is affected in a 2-3 inch radius around an injection site, even when a lesion is not observed.
Gill also said to always use the smallest needle possible when vaccinating. Almost all beef cattle vaccines and antibiotics can be administered with one of two lengths ( 1 or 1/2 inch) and one of two gauges (16 or 18 gauge). The smaller gauge number, the larger the needle diameter. A 16 gauge is a larger needle than an 18 gauge.
A needle one inch in length will work for IM and SubQ injections in calves. A 1 to 1/2 inch needle should be used for IM injections in yearling and mature cattle. Either a 1 or 1/2 can be used in SubQ injections in older cattle. A 3/4 inch needle will work for SubQ injections if care is used to make sure the needle entered the skin perpendicularly.
Cattleman are urged to administer products at least three inches apart, and to administer vaccinations in both sides of the animal's neck.
These recommendations and the utilization of the new neck injection site will continue to make eating beef a positive experience for consumers.
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It's a lollipop . . . it's a hologram . . . it's both. "I was studying the combination of art and science and had this strange idea to see what would happen if I combined holography with food processing," explains MIT alumnus Eric Begleiter, 30. Joined by friends Paul Graham, 28, and Michael Wodke, 38, who'd recently left their jobs at M&M Mars, he launched LightVision Confections. The company's holographic lollipops feature a variety of laser-etched images, including a line based on the TV show "Star Trek: The Next Generation."
Thanks to trade shows, the trio has garnered the attention of distributors by marketing their confections as corporate promotions. Customized candies with corporate logos now account for about half of LightVision's sales, and are particularly popular among companies that want to flaunt their own innovative images.
The candy got a big boost when TheNew York Times ordered a slew of lollipops to promote the paper's switch to color printing. Disney Co. and Marvel Comics signed up as clients soon after.
The product's draw? "Combining the illusion and fantasy of a hologram with the fun and playfulness of a piece of candy," says Begleiter. The novelty factor caught the attention of private investors and secured financial backing from the confections-industry veterans the trio sought out as advisors.
With 1998 sales for the Cincinnati company estimated at a sweet $600,000, the partners know they're on the right track. "We've been noticing so much millennium stuff," Begleiter notes, "but our Christmas [lollipops] have a Victorian, classic feel to them." That's because the seasonal suckers have old-fashioned images etched onto them via the company's high-tech holographic process. "While everyone else is going one way, we're looking to go off in another, unique direction."
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+1+1Wow, eyeland!
You are so close as Bob Dylan has mentioned in an interview that he had written the third verse first. It got mucked up in the studio. He stated that he intended to re record the song with the verses in the correct order. As you have said, this solves the problem of who the two riders are. From that starting point the song meaning unravels fairly easily. (The joker is a Jungian archetype, even present in most of Picasso's early cubist works...just look for the harlequin costume.) I do see it as a philosophical piece. The final words now become apocopalyptic, "...the hour is getting late".
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"There must be some way out of here," said the joker to the thief,
"There's too much confusion, I can't get no relief.
Businessmen, they drink my wine, plowmen dig my earth,
None of them along the line know what any of it is worth."
"No reason to get excited," the thief, he kindly spoke,
"There are many here among us who feel that life is but a joke.
But you and I, we've been through that, and this is not our fate,
So let us not talk falsely now, the hour is getting late."
All along the watchtower, princes kept the view
While all the women came and went, barefoot servants, too.
Outside in the cold distance a wildcat did growl,
Two riders were approaching, the wind began to howl.
"There's too much confusion, I can't get no relief.
Businessmen, they drink my wine, plowmen dig my earth,
None of them along the line know what any of it is worth."
"No reason to get excited," the thief, he kindly spoke,
"There are many here among us who feel that life is but a joke.
But you and I, we've been through that, and this is not our fate,
So let us not talk falsely now, the hour is getting late."
All along the watchtower, princes kept the view
While all the women came and went, barefoot servants, too.
Outside in the cold distance a wildcat did growl,
Two riders were approaching, the wind began to howl.
Lyrics submitted by oofus, edited by CrimsnEdge
All Along the Watchtower song meanings
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+11General CommentI remember reading an article about this song when it first came out (I believe 1968) by Paul Williams in Crawdaddy magazine, which was a cheaply produced, but very serious, intellectual magazine published by Williams. The thing that stuck with me from the article was that Williams compared the structure of the song to a moebius strip (because the starting point of the lyrics is actually in the middle of the song & the song opens with the middle part of the lyrics) & felt it gave the song a claustrophobic feel (because you come into it & leave it in the middle). The starting point would be "All along the watchtower" & then after the line "Two riders were approaching, the wind began to howl", the next line would be "There must be some way out of here," said the joker to the thief", the joker & the thief being the two riders who were approaching, of course. This makes perfect sense to me & seems right. As far as the actual meaning, my own opinion is that it's a philosophical piece about how one finds meaning in a chaotic & very imperfect world. The joker sees this world & can't take it seriously because it's so false & is depressed because he can't find a way to make sense of it. The thief has come to this same realization in his past, but has found a way to move beyond it & create his own meaning. So it is, in effect, a parable about existentialism. Or maybe I'm totally wrong...
+11General CommentIt's cool that a 35 year old song can still get people to think and more, to discuss meaning. That's the power of poetry. I've been listening to this song since 1968 and have a few thoughts. Back then Dylan was not writing or talking about Jesus at all, certainly not in any way that foreshadowed his conversion experience ten years later. But he had written poetry for a long time about the meaning of life and our dilemmas as thinking beings. What is there to believe in? What has real meaning? is there anyone we can trust? What is the risk of stepping outside the norms and commonplace meanings of things and looking at ourselves directly? This song, I think, borrows a mythical style and setting to set up the problem of meaninglessness in our existence. The two personalities are both outsiders, a joker who lacks conventional dignity and a thief who lacks conventional morality. They are outside of the walls of psychological safety, where the regular social order still holds, despite the threats from wolves and howling winds. I read these as metaphors for the psychological dangers one must face when throwing off easy explanations of life's meaning. One must be very brave to be outside those walls. But there is no going back once you have cast off conventions -"You and I, we've been through that, and this is not our fate, let us not talk falsely now the hour is getting late." This is a crisis, he's saying, a crisis of existence itself.
So, it's the opposite of an endorsement of Christianity or any other religion. It's a description of the land where a seeker of truth must find his own way, whatever the dangers may be.
This song, in its three little stanzas, is wonderful writing and courageous personal philosophy. This is why Dylan was and still is considered one of our culture's great voices.
+1What an insightful comment!Flag chikenleggon November 26, 2012+1It's funny, I've been searching all over for someone who interpreted the song the way I did. Not to toot our collective horns, but I think this is right. This is an existential song. It's a song about two thinking beings confronting the existential questions of existence.
"There must be some way out of here, "there's too much confusion --The joker is having an existential crisis. He's saying "Holy shit, I'm really alive in the world, I'm a suffering human being, how do I get out of here?" There's also something suicidal about this, I think--in asking "There must be some way out".
"Businessmen they drink my wine." Then the Joker comments on the ignorance-is-bliss blindness of average people, who never ask "Why are we alive?" They drink wine and plow the earth, but they don't know what it's worth--that is, they don't ask why they're doing what they're doing.
"No reason to get excited" -- The thief, who's a bit saltier and wiser than the Joker, says "Listen, there's no reason to get excited about all this "existing" stuff. A lot of people have wondered why we exist.
"There are many here among us...life is just a joke"
Many people who ask existential questions become nihilists--they no longer think that life has any meaning.
"But you and I we've been through that"
But you and I are not going to think of life as a joke, we're going to keep searching for meaning. We're not going to commit suicide, either.
"Let us not talk falsely"
So let's not bullshit about accepting meaninglessness or commiting suicide...
"Hour is getting late"
...Because life is short and our deaths are coming, buddy.
The third stanza shows the context in which this conversation takes place. Basically, it describes the world of men.
"All along the watchtower"
Not sure what the watchtower is, sadly.
"Princes kept the view"-- In life, some men rule over other men, like kings.
"All the women came and went, barefoot servants too"-- Women and barefoot servants, just like princes, come and go--that is, they're Born, and then they Die.
"Outside in the cold distance a wildcat did growl"
Beyond the walls of man, nature is out there, wild and infinitely mysterious.
"Two riders were approaching"
Death. Death is coming for the princes, the servants, the women, the joker and the thief...and even the wildcat.
Flag TBoneWalkeron November 13, 20130It could be (but that is just a supposition) that the joker and the thief are the two people who were condemed at the same that Jesus. Being oppressed Jews from romans occupants for too long they did rebel and commited violents crimes. This ought to be then a methaphore discuusion of the 2 of them before the romans come to bring the execution up. There are other possibilities of course since the imaginary language allow the listene/reader to open his/her imagination....Perhaps we should ask Bobby himself what he meant, if he really had something precise in mind...(: )
Flag LionelSpiterion January 22, 2014
+5General CommentI've read in many places this song is about government. The Thief and Joker represent the middle and lower classes, they stand over looking the castle (the upper class). They know that the upper class takes advantage of everything and looks down upon these two men. There must be some way out of here represents the struggle that these men put forward to break the cycle at hand. It all leads up to them standing outside the castle trying to figure out how to bring them down. But their is no reason to get excited cuz we don't know what they do in the end but we know this is not their fate!
+5General CommentNot that you could in any way compare Dylan with James Joyce (who put so many allusions in Ulysses that it is truly unimaginable how much one man could be familiar with so many phrases in language, and passages in so many books).
Anyway, this is what Joyce wrote: "I've put in so many enigmas and puzzles that it will keep the professors busy for centuries arguing over what I meant, and that's the only way of insuring one's immortality."
Shakespeare's "Hamlet" opens on the tower of the watch. Joyce's Ulysses opens in a watch tower. Dylan's song, when taken in it's logical order in with the third stanza actually is the first, also opens on a watch tower (it is aslo the only song on the recording that begins with it's title). The original biblical reference was obviously known by all three, but that knowledge is probably coincidental, a mere simple twist of fate.woodshadowon December 25, 2008 Link
+5General CommentOk, we should put some things in contest. The song is written in 1967,a year before the great social uprising throughout the world. Dylan was obviously left oriented but was also raised in a religious enviorment, thus the biblical imagery.
The joker and the thief represent two sorts of social outcasts. The joker represents the class of people which denounce the system because they realise it's flaws and find it unjust. This is probably a more middleclass and intelectual stand. The thief on the other hand is also an outcast but he is not an outcast by choice. Thievery is in most cases a result of poverty. The majority of those who steal do it because they need to eat and feed their families so the thief here represents the more down-to-earth proletarian ,working class side of the social outcasts. They are obviously the two riders approaching the watchtower. It is suggested here that they are in a silent march towards something which symbolises the capitalist/social darwinist society. The princes are concerned. They observe the situation from their watchtowers, the princes being the capitalist, those who own the wine and the earth mentioned in the first verse. That is a reference to the unjustness of private property. The land and its fruits should be for everyone, including the jokers and the theives of the world. So,the princes are concerned,yet not that much,here Dylan realises that the social movements only managed so far to stir the structure, the watchtowers,but not yet to endanger it. Yet the last verse is essential. It somewhat gives a glimpse of things to come. The wildcat growl and the wing that howls give you an unsettling sentiment,it sends goosebumps up your spine. You can feel a tension. The two riders are approaching. And when they come too close to the wathctowers there will be conflict.
0Great! So, you're basically saying that this song anticipates the great social uprising of 1968... that makes sense and in this case, Dylan is much more than a genious, he is a visionary! and this song (with all its biblical references) is prophetic!
"The wind began to howl" definitely suggests that an uprising is coming!
+3General CommentIt has been said that Bob Dylan visited the Crossroads and could've potentially made a deal with the devil.
"There must be some way out of here," said the joker to the thief,
"There's too much confusion, I can't get no relief.
Businessmen, they drink my wine, plowmen dig my earth,
None of them along the line know what any of it is worth."
The first verse could be him basically regretting the deal he made him being the joker/fool the devil being the thief (of his soul) and how the people enjoy what he does but none of them understand what he is going through to give them it.
"No reason to get excited," the thief, he kindly spoke,
"There are many here among us who feel that life is but a joke.
But you and I, we've been through that, and this is not our fate,
So let us not talk falsely now, the hour is getting late."
This verse could go back to when he made the deal. The Thief/Devil tells him not to get excited about the fame he just sold his soul for. The people around him don't know how lucky they are not to be in his position. But the Devil and him know more than the others know, and a regular safe life is no longer his fate. So let's not drag on the conversation, we both know what you just did.
All along the watchtower, princes kept the view
While all the women came and went, barefoot servants, too.
Outside in the distance a wildcat did growl,
Two riders were approaching, the wind began to howl.
The final verse as expected is the end of his life, the princes are the Devils guards keeping watch because Bob doesn't want to go to hell. The second line once again refers to his euphoric lifestyle that he's locked in. The last to lines seem to allude to Robert Johnson's "There's a hell hound on my trail" only this time it's a wild cat and two riders.
Of course this is just my opinion :)brendangarofaloon January 19, 2012 Link
00Robert Johnson was the original person known for the Deal with the devil, but there have been a few people throughout musical history who have been said to have made the same deal. Bob Dylan seems to hint this in a few interviews but never states it outright.Flag brendangarofaloon July 25, 2014
+2General CommentI'd start off with the third verse which describes the situation we find us in.
The watchtower with the women and the servants is obviously a home of someone powerful and rich.
"Outside in the distance a wildcat did growl" Outside is a dangerous jungle.
The two riders are the thief and the joker.
While riding towards the tower the joker and the thief have a conversation.
The joker feels that the rich "businessmen" are stealing from him: "None of them along the line know what any of it is worth".
Ironically he's telling that to the thief whose job is to steal. The joker probably doesn't know that his friend is a thief.
"There are many here among us who feel that life is but a joke" replies the thief to the joker.
So actually they are complaining about each other and they should be mad at each other. But they have teamed up to bring down the rich and powerful guy who has it all.
Are they using him as a scapegoat for their status in the society?
If they defeat the rich guy the thief is going to steal his stuff or even take his place (watchtower). And the joker is probably there for the princess.
+1General CommentI'm not quite clear on the meaning...but I've been told the song is about Jesus. On Taroh cards, the Jesus is depicted by the Joker card. Jesus was also crussified next to two thieves---hence the line, " 'There must be some way out of here,' said the joker to the thief."
The line "Two riders were approaching, the wind began to howl." can be compared to the passage from the bible:
"I looked, and there before me was a pale horse! It's rider was named Death, and Hades was following close behind him. THey were given power over a fourth of the earth to kill by sword, famine, and plague, and by the wild beasts of the earth." -- Death and Hades being the two riders.
As far as the title is concearned, the only thing I can think of are the watchtowers of Babylon...
.....then again, I can be entirely wrong on all of this.
0I'm sorry, but this analysis is only correct in the sense that the song uses certain archetypal characters like that of Jesus.
If you'd like a more logical interpretation, I'd recommend going to this site:
reasontorock.com/tracks/…Flag saidthejokeron March 08, 20090I think any thing you can think of would be a perfect fit for this song. Whether is be gov oppression of indians and just people in general or the reference to the bible and the crucifixion of Jesus. This has to be one of my favorite songs of all time just for that reason. The meaning can be anything Bob Dylan nailed the lyrics perfectly and I think this song will for sure will live on through the ages because people will always try and figure it out and never be able to get it just right. To be honest Bob Dylan might not even know the true meaning behind it its just one of those masterpieces.+1saidthejoker you have a point but I'd found that site in searching this song and I think their interpretation is also a bit too literal, in that they assumed a guarding position of the castle.
It would be good to approach interpretation of something like this as almost like a mathematical formula, understand the terms involved (the archetypes of joker and thief) as well as the known biblical influence and go from there.
Given all these elements and the fact that the princes keeping watch is just that, to beware, (as Jimi adds in his cover, though easily missed) it is more appropriate to simply regard the two riders as a duality - whether you want to think of it as separating the wheat from the chaff or in some other basic fundamental sense I leave for you to interpret, but there again to equate them with the joker and the thief as the reasontorock site article does is too much of a leap.
As for the joker and the thief as archetypes, it is fairly self explanatory and anyone can look it up, but consider the part "businessmen they drink my wine - ploughmen dig my earth" it is reminescent of the blood and wine of the mass, and in this case the flesh and blood of the earth itself if we think of oil, and in a less literal sense wine of course intoxicates. Further "none will level on the line - nobody of it is worth" indicates a kind of deception, which of course is also in line with the Joker archetype but here he is saying he can get no relief. The Thief of course distinguishes "us" (that is, he and the Joker) from those who thinks that "life is but a joke." He notes "you and I have been through that, and this is not our fate - so let us not talk falsely now, the hour is getting late." So the play of appearances that is the function of the Joker is coming to an end, and again in a biblical context it reminds one of the day of judgement coming "as a thief in the night."Flag kramyugtahton February 22, 20100Sorry I forgot to say, the reason I think they take too much of a leap for the guarded position idea is because of Isaiah 21:5-9 which is noted on Wikipedia.Flag kramyugtahton February 22, 20100This song is all about the abolition of the slave trade back in America in 1833
with this in mind listen again and all will become clear
If you listen to the live version by Jimi Hendrix he says this before he starts the song and how the song is still appropriate today (being the early seventies)
Dylan himself says a lot of things about his songs and quite frequently changes his version of meanings to make a statement about whatever trip he's on at the time or who his audience is. The Mojave desert observation is relating to a large american camp/fort in the mojave where the slaves were secretly taken to for selling to rich farmers.
+1General CommentHarmonicas are awesome, I'm tellin ya son.
+1General CommentAs a convert from Judaism to Christianity, Dylan was probably preaching the Gospel. I believe he was making a reference to the parable in Mark's Gospel:
The Parable of the Tenants
"A man planted a vineyard. He put a wall around it, dug a pit for the winepress and built a watchtower. Then he rented the vineyard to some farmers and went away on a journey. 2At harvest time he sent a servant to the tenants to collect from them some of the fruit of the vineyard. 3But they seized him, beat him and sent him away empty-handed. 4Then he sent another servant to them; they struck this man on the head and treated him shamefully. 5He sent still another, and that one they killed. He sent many others; some of them they beat, others they killed.
6"He had one left to send, a son, whom he loved. He sent him last of all, saying, 'They will respect my son.'
7"But the tenants said to one another, 'This is the heir. Come, let's kill him, and the inheritance will be ours.' 8So they took him and killed him, and threw him out of the vineyard.
9"What then will the owner of the vineyard do? He will come and kill those tenants and give the vineyard to others.belteshazzaron October 07, 2004 Link
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American Statistics Index (ASI). 1974-current [University Library/Reference Z 7554 U5 A46]
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International Historical Statistics: The Americas 1750-2005 [University Library/Reference HA 175 M55 2007]
Statistical Abstract of the United States (SAUS) 1878-current. (see The United States section above for details)
The Business page of the University Libraries' virtual library contains links to a number of resources.
American Statistics Index (ASI) (see United States section above)
Statistical Reference Index (SRI) 1980-current [University Library/Reference HA 195 Z99 S78X]
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The Wall Street Journal Almanac 1988-current [University Library/Reference AY 67 N5 W35]
Handbook of International Economic Statistics 1992-current [University Library/GovDoc: J PREX 3.16] Also available online [http://purl.access.gpo.gov/GPO/LPS2917]. This is a product of the Central Intelligence Agency.
Index to International Statistics (IIS). 1983-current[University Library/Reference HA 154 I53x] The library owns accompanying SRI fiche as well, located in the Periodicals room of the University Library.
Illustrated Book of World Rankings. [University Library/Reference HA 155 K87 2001]
International Historical Statistics. (Individual books address a variety of World Regions) Can be found in the University Library/Reference section within the 'HA' Subject Classification.
International Marketing Data & Statistics. 1983-current [University Library/Reference HA 42 I56]
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The Canadian Almanac and Directory. 1992-current [University Library/Reference AY 414 C2] Dewey Library also maintains the latest issue in Reference.
Whitaker's (British) Almanack. 1960-current [University Library/Reference HA 754 W5] Latest issue shelved in Reference
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Survey of Current Business (SCB). [University Library/GovDoc: J 85 C 59.11:] Provided on CD-ROM.
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Uniform Crime Reports for the United States (UCR). 1945-current [University Library/GovDoc: J 85 J 1.14/7:]
Some issues missing. Also available online at [http://www.fbi.gov/ucr/ucr.htm] Published by the Federal Bureau of Investigation.
Sourcebook of Criminal Justice Statistics. [http://www.albany.edu/sourcebook/]
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The spotlight was on Man City goalkeeper Joe Hart at Wembley tonight, dropped by his club manager Manuel Pellegrini and restored to first team action by Roy Hodgson against stellar opposition.
After England's narrow defeat, Steven Gerrard told Gabriel Clarke he felt Joe Hart was England's best player.
Defender Phil Jagielka said: "I've backed Joe all the time, all the players have backed Joe all the time.
"He's been in for some criticism, some of it a little bit harsh.
"But Joe's a big boy and that's the only way he can prove his critics wrong by making some fantastic saves.
Jagielka's defensive partner Chris Smalling added: "I think he did very well tonight.
"He produced a couple of really good saves and bailed me out at one of the corners as well. I think he was terrific tonight."
Andros Townsend, who hit the post in the second half for England, added to the praise.
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He died at his home in Washington, where he lived with his wife, Connie. She and their daughter, Kimberly, were at his side, said agent Mike Eisenstadt. Johnson is also survived by a stepson, Court, and a grandson, he said.
Johnson worked up until his death, signing autographs at public appearances over the holidays, said Eisenstadt. He called his death "unexpected."
He was "just a positive and nice guy," who always treated people with respect, his agent said.
His acting career began in the early 1950s with many jobs as a character actor on television. He played Marshal Gib Scott in two seasons of "Black Saddle," a western that ran in 1959 and 1960.
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The Rev. Norman G.P. "Phil" Loveless Jr., 52, Schofield, brother of a Stevens Point man, died Wednesday, Sept. 8, 1999, at Community Health Care Wausau Hospital.
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Visitation was held at the funeral home Friday and before the services on Saturday.
The Rev. Loveless was born Dec. 6, 1946, in Tucson, Ariz., a son of Sarah (Day) Loveless, Schofield, and the late Norman Loveless Sr.
He was married to Kathleen E. Tesch on Oct. 1, 1966, in Elk City, Okla.
He was the founding pastor of Harvest Baptist Church, Schofield, where he served the past 13 years.
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Didn't know AOL owned that, also didn't know people still used it. It's pretty horrible licensing wise and I thought iTunes killed it ages ago to be honest. Last time I saw it someone was installing it onto Win98!
I guess no one uses Winamp any more with all the cloud-based alternatives available?
Source: Winamp (via Ars Technica)
Winamp, the storied MP3 player bought by AOL in June 1999 for over $80 million, is set to shut down in exactly one month. According to a post that went live Wednesday at 12:00 pm Eastern Time on the Winamp website:
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Didn't know AOL owned that, also didn't know people still used it. It's pretty horrible licensing wise and I thought iTunes killed it ages ago to be honest. Last time I saw it someone was installing it onto Win98!
AOL are the death knell of a lot of tech, itunes has beaten winamp as far as im concerned nowadays, wasnt always the case though thats for certain apple have made a lot of improvements, I only used winamp when I first started mp3ing.
I used to love Winamp. Still got a copy of version 2.8 on my home PC from 2002. Can't say I've actually launched it for the past 5 years though.
I didn't know that either.
Been a VLC user for a while but at one point was a heavy Winamp user. Shame good little package.
That sucks as I used to use winamp on the PC - as mentioned above VLC is great, lets hope AOL don't get taken over by AOL or another company and then ends VLC like winamp
End of era. So many skins and plugins. The speakers plugin were the best.
Shame. If you go back 13 years or so, Winamp was THE player to use.
TBH, I hadn't looked at it in years, but it's kind of sad to hear of its passing
Guessing the Llamas finally got their revenge...
Damn - Installed Winamp a few weeks ago on my work PC to listen to some stuff. Hate iTunes, find Media player a bit annoying (and trying to be iTunes) and winamp was the first to mind.
Spend ages as a teenager messing with skins and plugins. Didnt know AOL bought them and cant see why - there cant have been much money in it!
I used to have a legit Pro key before I lost it, yes I'm one of the few who paid for it. :P
Was a good player, the compact mode was my favourite as it fit nicely in the title bar. Shame it is going. Any other alternatives to Windows Media Player which has gone backwards?
Still use Winamp on every pc I own best player I've found!!! Remove all the rubbish with streaming stuff, and what are the options itunes or........
Still swear by Winamp, on my work and home PCs. Use it extensively for my whole music collection - the iPod plugins mean that I can totally avoid iTunes, while the huge number of customisation features are ace. Still found it has the best gapless playback (with full configuration) which is good for mix albums.
Won't make any difference to me that they're killing it, I have the installers and they'll hang around on download sites for a while yet.
Foobar2000! Infinitely customisable, it loads instantly and there are lots of good plug-ins for it. You can even make it look like iTunes if you wanted to.
These days however, I tend to listen to a lot of music in Spotify and Google Play Music All Access.
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