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Earning My Ears
Join Date: Jul 2013
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Getting nervous about flight
When I booked our flight I did it for the morning of the cruise to save on hotels and not miss work the day before. We will be flying from Columbus to Atlanta to Miami and suppose to be in Miami at 11:50 the day of the cruise. A coworker was recently flying back home from Miami and her flight from Atlanta was cancelled altogether and my mother was flying to Mexico and her flight was delayed as well. I would hate to miss the cruise because my flight did not arrive on time. It will cost me $800 to change my tickets to the day before . We have travel insurance on the flight but I do not have a good reason to cancel it altogether. We are not frequent fliers and I am wanting to know how often do flights get delayed.
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Sadly, flights get delayed all the time. You're cutting it very close, as much as I hate to say it.
You "should" be ok, since the ship doesn't leave til 5 pm. Don't dally once you get off the plane though.
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There is really no way to know that as it pertains to your particular flight. Flights get delayed for many reasons. Weather at the takeoff point. Weather at the destination. Weather at the place your plane stops before it gets to your airport. Mechanical problems with the plane. Medical emergencies. Computer glitches. Unforeseen circumstances - after the Navy Yard shooting here in DC, they shut down Reagan National airport to outgoing traffic for awhile.
You would have to experience a substantial delay to miss your cruise, but it's still a risk you take flying in same day. You were trading off that peace of mind for the savings on the hotels and work time.
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I have flown only about 6 times in my life (42 years) and every time my flight has been delayed, with the last time being 8.5 hours. Oddly enough, none have been delayed due to weather, it was "mechanical issues". This is why I now drive from NJ to Florida!
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Now flights in and out of Chicago is another issue all together.
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Also depends on what time of year you're flying.
If it's winter, you run the risk of weather near you being an issue.
If it's summer you run the risk of weather in Miami.
Also, my flight to LAX (from Orlando) was delayed once(2 hours) because there was too much weight on the plane and they had to unload some cargo. My Mom's recent flight out to San Fran was delayed 3 hours to wait for crew to arrive.
Air travel is SO unpredictable!
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Before you go, see what other flights are available to Miami at about the time you will land in Atlanta, even if they are on other airlines. Airlines will honor other tickets (not SW or ATA). If you get to Atlanta and your flight is delayed, ask for help IMMEDIATELY. Be nice, appear helpless. Someone might be able to help you.
Now if you do change to a different flight, it is likely your luggage will not make it so be prepared with a carefully packed carryon. You can always do laundry on the ship.
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As already noted in previous posts, there are a lot of reasons that flights are delayed. Last week a number of flights into and out of east coast airports were apparently delayed around 1-1/2 hours due to severe thunderstorms.
We fly 3 - 4 times a year and I'd say we seem to experience delays for some reason or another around 50% of the time. We've had flights delayed because of weather, crowded airports with no gate to pull into, which made for almost missing our connecting flight, flights held waiting for passengers coming in on late connecting flights, mechanical issues, and once we had a bomb threat onboard which caused a 4 hour delay. We always fly in for our cruise at least a day prior.
That being said, you have a good chance of nothing going wrong with your flight and all going fine. We have also had flights where we actually landed earlier than scheduled!
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We fly on an almost monthly basis to Florida to visit family while we live out of state. I rarely experience moderate or severe delays, even when connecting in ATL (least efficient airport ever!).
If you are flying Delta, you can change your tickets for $50 within 12 hrs of your original flight. So if you aren't the first flight out that morning, you could be for a reduced fee and if there is still room. If you are and there is one within 12 hrs the night before, I believe the same rule applies.
When in a situation like this, I make sure I know my options for later flights on that airline, different airlines, and different airports. Having a back up plan almost always ensures you won't have to use it. In the rare case you do, you are already setting it in action! A quick bing.com/travel search should give you that info.
Good Luck.
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There's no way to really know and hopefully you'll have no problems. I'm a worry wort so if it was me, I'd spend the extra money and fly in the day before.
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Flight delays happen often. Very often. Its not just your flight that can get delayed; many times ours are delayed it is because the plane itself was delayed somewhere else down the line. A good 80% of our delays have been less than two hours, but if you are getting in at noon, even that is uncomfortably close. There is data out there that can tell you what the % on time rating is for your flights - I would check that out first and then think long and hard about the risk.
Its like any gamble though - you SHOULD be fine, but even a 5% chance sucks if you fall into it! I have yet to try and go the day of a cruise... if I was going to, I would need as large a window as I could muster in case of delays, and would only do it from a place that had PLENTY of alternative flights that could still get me there. (and keep in mind I may still be SOL, which is why I haven't tried it yet).
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We recently had a flight from Denver to San Fran. The first plane they discovered had some sort of leak before we left Denver. They had to find a new plane (1 hour delay) once they found a new plane and got us all on it took another bit of time past the original time. In flight the plane actually got re-directed to Phoenix because some sort of light came on alerting them to some sort of problem. We then got to Phoenix, needed a new plane etc.
All said and done this was supposed to be a 2 hour non-stop flight which turned into a 7 hour delay with an additional stop, 3 air craft later.
There is no way I would chance that with a stop. Not at all.
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Personally I wouldn't even fly in the day of the cruise on a direct flight, let alone with connections. Sadly you're asking for trouble. Hopefully all goes well.
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We have cruised many, many times but for our first 2 cruises we flew down same day. Our flights were fine but our luggage never made it onto the plane. Apparently most of our flight had no luggage. They made up some story about the xray machine being down & having to hand check all luggage. (Back around 2005 when USAirways was having LOTS of labor/luggage issues.)
So we all trek to the luggage office to give descriptions. My kids were little & needed a bathroom & we ended up being last in line. It was announced that everyone should go ahead to their ship/hotel and luggage would be delivered there. Since I was last, I could hear the employees trying to figure out how to accomplish this. "Should we call in so n so? No, he already worked OT this week." etc. Clearly they had no plan. No way was I leaving that airport without my luggage. While they may be trying to manage hundreds of bags, I knew I'd be able to spot ours in no time.
So the next flight was due to arrive 2 hours later.
We hung around the airport, got some lunch and when the next flight arrived, the US Airways (& airport porters) were trying to intercept the bags with the old flight # before they could get out to the public. We stood next to them, told them we were on that previous flight, and that we'd be getting ours. They were fine with that.
In the end it was a big fat hassle.
The next time, everything worked out fine.
The third time, being a Feb cruise & worrying about possible snow, we flew down the day before. This time 2 of my parents' bags didn't arrive. We went to the hotel & they were given a contact ph # and was told their bags would be delivered. They called several times that day, the voice mailbox was always full. My mother barely slept that night. By morning they took a cab back to the airport & finally got their bags. Coincidentally, it did start snowing shortly after we left Philly at 10am & by 6pm the airport was closed.
So besides weather & mechanical issues, luggage delays are possible too. Even if you don't like to spend more on a hotel, I look at it as extra insurance. You can always Hotwire a room near the airport for less than $100. Lesson learned but hopefully not the hard way.
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People are going to post when things go bad. Not the hundreds of times that everything was just fine. I fly regularly (like once a week) and way more times then not I arrive at the exact time I am supposed to arrive. Just thought I would add to the discussion!
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|You all might think I am nuts but I would like to grow a hedge apple tree, do not know any other name for it. I picked up a hedge apple from one of my walks the other day. NOW WHAT DO I DO WITH IT?
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- Posted by Wolfe15136 z6 PA (My Page) on Thu, Oct 17, 02 at 15:15
|I'm curious about this! What is a hedge apple?
(I know what a road apple is...)
|Hedge apples are another name osage orange. I would assume you let the fruit ripen completely, then remove the seeds from the center and plant them. Osage orange is one of the densest hardwoods around, so don't plant it somewhere that you will need to cut it down in a few years! The osage oranges are also not fun to mow over. By they, they were first noted scientifically on the Lewis and Clark expedition!
- Posted by Country_Jim KY (My Page) on Fri, Oct 18, 02 at 11:43
|Osage Orange or (Hedge Apples) Grow very slow so be prepaired for a long wait before you have a tree of any size. I also think you will have better luck starting one if you hunt a young sprout around an older tree. Then you can move it to where you want it. The wood makes some of the most beautiful furnature you will ever see. It will not rot when it is dead either. Some folks use them for fence post because they will not rot. Some time the post will sprout and grow after it has been put in the ground and that is why they are found in old fence rows or as there name implies (Hedges.)
|Like Country Jim said, it makes nice furniture and is prized for both rifle stocks and bows.
|The apples can be collected to make a fence. It was used before barbed wire was invented. They were put in a container and left to rot some. Mixed with water and mashed and mixed up. A shallow trench is dug where the fence is wanted, and this mixture poured in it. Osage will sprout. Deer eat them as well as other animals. If you want them....get them now as they won't be there later. The wood, which is a beautiful yellow makes primo bows.....I have made a few. The juice is iritatiting to some people. Also, they don't keep spiders away. I tried it and had spider webs on them.
- Posted by garden_mama z5 OH (My Page) on Mon, Oct 21, 02 at 9:31
|Thanks for all the info, I just remember these on the farm as a kid and the musty smell of the 'apple' was all ways intriguing. It might be awhile but I am sure the DH will find use for the wood. Just another reason, does not have a stock of hedge apple wood, to create a new gun or bow...The 'apples' I have collected are huge, I do not remember them getting this big as a kid. I have plenty of time and space to whach them grow. If I remember correctly the tree its self is small, maybe 25 to 30 feet in height, with a very interesting bark...
- Posted by Country_Jim KY (My Page) on Tue, Oct 22, 02 at 11:35
|The tree will get bigger than 25 or 30 feet but they have to be very old to get large. I think the type of soil will have a lot to do with there size and speed of groth as well. I never did hear of the apples keeping spiders away. I have heard that they will keep chicken mites and roaches away but I knid of dought if that works either or more folks would be using them. The wood makes beautiful Grandfather clocks also.
- Posted by ohiovalleygirl z6 KY (My Page) on Fri, Oct 25, 02 at 22:17
|I have a huge osage orange in my back yard that has grown into a sort of heart shaped design, which I think is really lovely in the winter. The shade is dense, which is great on those hot summer days.
just watch out when gardening under them in the fall. Those apples will conk you on the head a good one! On the other hand, we get good at shouting "incoming!" or "timber!" whenever we hear the crashing of leaves in the hedge apple tree!
|what do they smell like..we have them all over the place here[other people's fields], but I don't remember smelling any..they are really pretty aren't they..Hettie
|I am intrigued by the qualities of osage-orange wood, my question is where or how can I get some?
- Posted by garden_mama z5 OH (My Page) on Mon, Oct 28, 02 at 11:50
|rhorx57, I will pick one up on my walk tonight, then I will get in touch with you and send it to you.
lady 6, they have a real musty / herbal scent, it does not smell like any other herb. The one I picked up is larger than a soft ball, twice as big. They are yellow / green in color and have a 'brain' pattern on the outside. We use to decorate with them in the fall and we all ways believed that if you lined the celler with them you would ward of spiders.
|thanks I may see if I can get some for decorating this fall..would love to grow some, would they cross with my other apple trees? If not may try some on the fence row..Hettie
|Garden mama; I really didn't want the hedge apple, I am only interested in the wood, I probably won't live long enough for it to develop from seed, but I thank you very much for the offer.
|lady6, They are not really 'apples'.
From a distance they just look like them.
- Posted by garden_mama z5 OH (My Page) on Tue, Oct 29, 02 at 15:47
|rhorx57, OK, I was going to pick a couple more up anyway, I just like the color they add to the pumpkin-pine cone-grape vine THING (has DH calls it) I have setting outside.....
|I have one that is getting big, probably 15 feet across. If anyone wants the wood, you are welcome to come cut it down!!! We were tired of the thorns causing flat tires on the tractor and tried to cut it down. Besides it dulling the chain saw, every time we got poked with a thorn we got huge welts. So the bush still stands we just avoid cutting anywhere near it with the tractor.
There was one that was cut down when the house was built. The trunk was at least 10" wide and laid in the bottom of a dry pond for 5 years - I say dry pond but it does fill with water every spring and stays wet for several months through the early summer. When we bought the house we cleared out the pond and that wood was still as green as the apples that it produces. I had no idea that the wood was usable, it ended up being hauled away by a friend for firewood.
|Thanks I'm late reading and responding to post..thanks I really want to try raising some..Hettie
- Posted by Kris_Stone z6a KY (My Page) on Sun, Dec 29, 02 at 21:45
|Just for everyone's info: Osage Orange is actually a member of the Mulberry family (Moraceae). Apples belong to a completely different family of plants (Rosaceae) therefore they are totally unrelated to apples.
The latin name for Osage Orange is (Maclura pomifera) verses Malus genus for Apples.
There are actually cutivars available that don't produce fruit. I've always admired the glossy foliage and the unique growing habits of this tree. I think if properly trained they can become an attractive, and highly interesting tough shade tree...though I would use a fruitless selection in a lawn.
|One thing I learned early on, when I first discovered them on a road trip to Kansas City, that one half is poison for deer, while the other half is very nutricious for them. Someone had been 'feeding' deer (illegally, I am sure) up where my husband hunts, and when he went up there today there were several hedge apples all around the area. He brought a HUGE one home to get the seeds out of, for planting.
|M.pomifera, as Kris pointed out, is a member of the Moraceae, related to mulberries and figs, and is commonly used as a rootstock for Cudrania tricuspidata, the Chinese Che fruit or 'Mandarin Melon Berry' - which looks very much like a small hedgeapple, turning orange-red when ripe, and (supposedly) having a flavor reminiscent of watermelon.
rhorx, you can purchase Osage orange staves, etc. online.
Here is a link that might be useful: OsageOrange.com
|For a bit of trivia on hedge apples, some years ago my wife and I happened onto the largest osage orange tree either in the US, or maybe even the world. There was a rather small sign at the site. It is located about 3 miles NE of Maize, Kansas just northwest of Wichita. It is located in a north-south running hedge row and measures some 30-plus feet in circumference!
- Posted by Quickstart SW Pa. (My Page) on Sun, Jan 19, 03 at 12:05
|We had 20 trees along our property line when I was a kid and we called them Monkey Balls. Given that name when they are small in forming the fruit. CAUTION burning this wood indoors !! It will crackle & pop with large dense embers.
Burns slow and hot. We had a fireplace and you needed to be very carefull when adding wood. Embers would pop and shoot well beyond other hard woods.
|A friend of mine has a few trees. I do put them in the shed, and it seems to keep the spiders away for me. I have also been told they keep the mice out. I have 3 cats so I dont know about that one. I have also sliced them with a knife and let them dry. They make the prettiest dried flower. End up on the leathery side but most interesting.
- Posted by jimmygardenseed z5 Ind (firstname.lastname@example.com) on Sat, Mar 1, 03 at 7:18
|hi your osage orange are poisonous to people. the american indians used this wood to make bows to hunt and defend themselves with....marvin
|I have also heard it called "ironwood" because the wood is so hard. Back about 1985, a rancher friend of mine had a boundary dispute with one of his neighbors and had to tear down a fence that his father had built in 1947. The corner posts were made from hedgeapple. When he dug them up, they were actually still green!! I took some of them and used them for fence posts and they are still there today!
- Posted by grandma_debbie 5 (Indiana) (My Page) on Fri, Oct 10, 03 at 22:44
|Does anyone know when they start falling off the trees? I'm in Indiana and would like to find some, anyone know where I can get some?
|I live in Chadwick, MO, out in the country. We have a hedge apple tree next to our house and every now and then they fall on our roof and it sounds like a stampede. I heard that they are good for keeping bugs away and spiders. I have to go in my basement to do laundy but can't because of the spiders being so bad, i was wondering if someone knew for sure if they help keep spiders and roaches away. Also I have cats and rabbits so I need to know if they are deadly to these animals. If you know anything please amail me, email@example.com, thankyou.
Here is a link that might be useful: Garden Web
|grandma debbie - I am about 30 minutes from Richmond, Indiana , how close are you? Mine haven't started falling yet but probably within the next couple of weeks.
Let me know if you want some, we could meet in Richmond somewhere. I would offer to mail them but they are very heavy so I would imagine shipping would be expensive!!!
|I have been told that if you cut up the Hedge apples and put the pieces all around where mice come in that they will eat them and die. I haven't tried it yet,but my friend lives in a log house way out in the country. She hasn't had rodents for 2 years because she scatter pieces of Hedge apples.
|If anyone's still interested in acquiring a tree and live in or around the Cincinnati area, here's a nursery that has small ones for sale to the public. Use to be wholesale only, but opened to the public this year
Here is a link that might be useful: Earthscape Nursery
- Posted by undercover_owl PortlandOR (My Page) on Fri, May 14, 04 at 6:44
|This spring I planted Osage Orange seeds, and they are doing very well. When you say they grow slowly, how slow is that, really? For example, how tall would I expect a 2 year old seedling to be?
|I disagree on the slow growing issue. It might take a couple of years to reach 5-6 ft but after that you can expect several feet or more growth each year.
I have a 3 year tree thats about 8 ft tall and has been cut back hard twice.
Its growing in the front garden, not allowed to kill it since my daughter planted it and is quite proud of her 'sucess'.
- Posted by spellingbee (My Page) on Sun, Jun 27, 04 at 16:04
|I have never heard of a hedge apple but want to try them for warding off spiders. I live in Canada. Are these grown all over?
|They use to be everywhere in the plains states. I think they are from the Oklahoma/Kansas/South Dakota area? Anyway, they prefer sunny spots, aren't fussy about soil, and are hardy to zone 5.
I'd forgotten about their other common name: "bodark". It's a contraction of the French "bois d'arc" because it was used to make bows.
(Did you know you can purchase the fruit online? I'd hate to think what the postage is on a couple of those babies!)
Here is a link that might be useful: More info about osage orange trees.
|I have some hedge apples in the sink wondering how to clean them. They seem a little stick. I just removed them, took a toothbrush w/dawn soap and scrubed them a bit. A white substance is leaking from some of them. Now what?
Is there anyway to preserve them to use in decorating?
|Last fall I placed a hedge apple in a 1/2 gallon milk jug that had been cut in half and had slits cut on the side.Dropped in an "apple" and put on the deck for the winter. The idea was for the apple to sit in water or snow all winter, but not be completely covered. In the spring took the very smelly mush and spread on dirt, watered and waited. In no time I had dozens of seedlings. I planted out 3 which are about 18 inched tall now.
|Lynne882, I am going to try slicing and drying them, I have heard they are very interesting. I could only find one website with any information on drying them. I'm not sure when to pick them, my bush is loaded with them this year so I may try picking some this weekend and see how it goes.
Here is a link that might be useful: drying hedge apples
|I couldn't help but post a link to one of our community artworks in Dublin, Ohio titled "Field of corn with osage orange trees". Enjoy!
Here is a link that might be useful: Field of corn with osage orange trees
- Posted by daylilyfan 5/6_OH (My Page) on Mon, Oct 11, 04 at 23:12
|I am surprised no one has mentioned this. When I was small, we gathered hedge apples, dried them slightly, then when we had campfires in the fall, we would toss the apples in. They made the fire turn all different colors.
Now, remember, I have not done this for about 40 years, so memory may have made the colors more vivid...... LOL But as a child, I remember being so amazed by this!
Also, we were warned to never bush hog around the couple trees on our property, unless we wanted a LOT more trees. The ol' feller who taught my Ex about bush hogging said if you bush hog over any branches or young trees coming up, the force of the bush hog will drive some of the cut up pieces into the ground, and they will all grow.
So, if you wanted more trees, you might just try taking some branches and sticking them in the ground with a little rooting hormone on the end, like you do for weeping willow.
- Posted by undercover_owl PortlandOR (My Page) on Tue, Nov 9, 04 at 18:20
|(Funny I didn't realize I was posting in the Ohio valley forum.. I got this thread by searching for maclura pomifera)
Now, about the growth rate: My 15 or so seedlings--which grew from seeds this spring--are huge! Some of them are already moved into 5 gallon containers! A couple of them are 2.5' tall above-soil-level! That's fairly fast growing, in my opinion. It remains to be seen whether this growth rate will continue.
- Posted by homegrown54 z6 SE Ohio (My Page) on Thu, Jan 13, 05 at 10:45
|My husband and I are traditional archers, and can concur on its use to bowyers. This tough wood is a beautiful orange color and highly prized for "bow staves." Someone told me once about putting them in the house to repel spiders, but never mentioned mice! One thing to remember is, if they are green, put some plastic or thick newsprint under then 'cause they will get moldy and a little icky. As far as what they look like, I think it's not so much like an apple, although they are round, they're more like a round "warty" gourd that folks use to grow wren houses. I'm going to try that thing with drying them and tossing them into the campfire! Sounds like fun!
|Hedge Apple trees have to be one of my least favorite trees to deal with. I have several extrememly large ones and I hate them.
For one, the *hedge apple* is a large, VERY HEAVY fruit that gets scattered everywhere. They are a pain to pickup because there's a lot of them and they are heavy. Like a child's bowling ball.
Once scattered, they rot all over the place. As far as I can tell, NOTHING eats them. They have been laying around in an opening down a path in the woods, and none have even a single bite removed.
The trees are absolutely horrible to prune. There are spines everywhere, and when then jab you, they don't just pierce the skin. Like catfish spines, they seem to emit some kind of venom.
I was pruning the largest one last weekend in spite of getting constantly jabbed and stung. That night I developed huge welts at the site of each jab -- and I do not have sensitive skin.
The wood is as hard as granite when it gets old. It's super hard to prune and to even saw with a chainsaw.
And while they don't get particularly tall, the canopy is of a very large diameter, and virtually no light penetrates.
I'm trying to clear these horrid things out so I can plant some useful fruit trees, and it's been like clearing out a hornets' nest in shorts and a tank top.
Oh, I'm equally lucky to have several huge honey locust trees in the area as well -- the kind which also have HUMONGOUS thorns.
Both of these trees (hdgapples and h.locust) look nice while you're driving along the highway in the country looking out the window, but if you ever have to actually do anything to maintain them you'll discover what a pain the backside these functionless trees are -- at least that's my take on them.
Your mileage may vary....
- john
I would NOT plant these in my yard if I were you.
|I have to restate, because reading those of you wanting to plant hedge apples is like going down to Georgia and telling people you want to pick some kudzu so you can plant a big patch of it in your yard.
The OO's aren't invasive in the way of kudzu, but they are a TERRIBLE tree to have growing ANYWHERE where you'd have to actually get within 20 feet of them.
I'd no sooner plant hedge apples in my yard then I'd plant poison ivy to grow on the side of my house.
You'll have nothing but problems with these obnoxious, spiny, trash-producing trees.
The only thing I could see useful in planting Osage Orange would be to create a barrier, because they make a h_ll of a barrier.
Trust me, I know this all too well....
|I thought all that are posting to this one might find this interesting, the link below.
Also, I'd like to mention that my parents used hedge apples for years to repel bugs!
I heard a story once too, could be true, maybe not, but there is supposed to be a green nut of some type that you can toss into still water and temporarily paralyze fish and they will float to the top and you can pick them like flowers!! Lore or Fact????
Here is a link that might be useful: Hedge Apple Survey
- Posted by philmont_709n2 z6 Ohio (My Page) on Fri, Feb 10, 06 at 20:52
|I have many osage orange/ hedge apple seeds if anyone would like to trade. they are very common trees around here.
- Posted by kansas_greta (My Page) on Sun, Jul 22, 07 at 17:10
|I see this thread hasn't been active in quite a while, but someone may find this interesting. Here in Wichita, Kansas, Osage Orange trees are all over the place, but they have the negative reputation alluded to by a couple of posters above, and I've never heard of anyone purposely planting one or even seen one available in any nursery. That said, I find them fascinating, never having seen or heard of them until I moved here from Wisconsin. The reason they're called hedge apple trees is because settlers planted them as hedgerows, for exactly their obnoxious qualities of being dense, thorny, and very hardy. They acted not only as wind barriers, but virtually as fences. In fact, it's common in the newer parts of Wichita, which were once farmland, to find three or more Osage Oranges in a row oriented exactly north-south or east-west -- then, you can be sure you've found the remnants of an old hedgerow. FYI, farms (and now, city streets) here are laid out on a one mile-by-one mile grid, because much of Kansas is just as flat as you've heard.
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- Posted by divadesigns1 (My Page) on Thu, Oct 30, 08 at 21:50
|I am looking for hedge apples in the Cincinnati area preferably Princeton school district, Fairfield area. My mom and I used to be able to find them along the side of the road but these areas have been developed into shopping centers and apartment complexes. From what I have been reading on here they must have had a time removing those trees. Anyway any info on finding them would be helpful. Would love to keep the spiders away. Thanks!
|My parents have 8 acres up near oxford which is loaded with them. Quite the chore to clean up after.
- Posted by greenwood85 (My Page) on Tue, Jan 6, 09 at 10:47
|Why would any gardener want to keep the spiders away? Spiders are great for the garden! Plus, it's questionable that planting hedge apples would actually keep any spiders away in the first place.
- Posted by Mightybean Midwest (My Page) on Mon, Nov 12, 12 at 15:27
|We have osage orange trees on our property. We make Hedge Apple Christmas Trees out of them and keep them outside.
Here is a link that might be useful: What to do with Hedge Apples
|I would like to try to build a living fence so If anyone has any Hedge apples they would like to get rid of, let me know. I would be happy to buy some from you or pay the shipping.
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I would play that even if slots are dumb
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| Molavian
I thought what they wanted in slots were nickels.
| cgraves67
I broke my hip just looking at it.
| Ebenator
Looks like fun. I'd give it a try.
| Claude Ballse
So it's a slot machine with an Arab guy trying NOT to crash into a building with his flying contraption. It's got originality, I'll give it that.
| grinding_journalist
ICDedPpl: I played that game. It's actually pretty fun.
If a marketer for this game (to casinos) saw your post, he'd include it in his literature.
Oh look, it's exactly what this product is supposed to do.
Of course seniors don't want this- young people do, because it was made to look like a videogame. So it's a small motion simulator ride with gambling thrown in. This, inherently, should be appealing to a younger set, whose money the casino owners want. They already have the old folks'.
| GoldDude
Actually, it's just shaking you to empty out your pockets even faster.
| dryknife
I've figured out slot machines:
1. Put money in machine.
2. Machine keeps your money.
| varmitydog
Which is clearly what senior citizens want in a slot machine
Which they will be playing right after chowing down at the all-you-can-eat buffet.
I can hear it now "Clean up on number 4!"........"Again?"
| crazylegsbill
Kinda like a big shiny/noisy piggy bank but you rarely can get your money out
| swahnhennessy
Goddamn, casinos are sad places.
| God-is-a-Taco
Seems excessive to me.
I thought the charm of the slots is the mindless, repetitive "play" that is comforting in its utterly predictable nature.
I can respect the desire to feast upon the remnants of the game arcade's corpse, but this seems like the wrong market. I think they'd put in more coins to make the genie go away than to challenge him.
| Amberwind
They have two of these at one of the casinos near me, but I'd been avoiding them because they looked unbearably cheesy. I may just have to take one for a spin, now.
Then again, I'm still pissed they got rid of the Star Trek machines. Playing Trouble With Tribbles slots was kinda awesome.
Randy Pausch would be amused.
| SirEattonHogg
I hate slot machines. I hate them even more that the Las Vegas casinos got rid of the coin/token machines. Atleast that was sort of fun with the sound of the coins dumping into the tray and walking around with a plastic bucket. Paper ticket comes out when you win? Sheesh. A boring way to lose money made more boring.
I can lose plenty of money on craps... and atleast that's far more fun.
| Langdon_777
Luv the advances we have had in our Stupid Tax :D
| cryinoutloud
swahnhennessy: Goddamn, casinos are sad places.
I couldn't come up with the right words. A lot of the time, they're like bars that only serve alcoholics.
| NeoBad
42,000 pennies..well that's a lot to have to carry home you know.....problem is people keep playing hoping to get another ride and give it all back....cheap hooker sounds more fun to me....
| Ex-Texan
Waiting for the "rocket sled" slot. You gotta put in more money if you want to play the bonus round. "More than a Dollar".
| Uranus Is Huge!
That's exactly what I want after pounding drinks for thirty straight hours.
| kcoombs69
One of my employees got injured by one of these chairs. When you start to play the game, it asks you if you want to use the feature or not. If not, it will lock the chair in place so it doesn't move. However, with the power to the machine off, the chair is left in the unlocked position. He was installing the door lock and dropped a piece and when he went to pick it up, his shift in weight caused the chair to tilt to the side basically throwing him out of it.
| Rapmaster2000
| lasercannon
I don't think that chair moves for fun I think it moves to wake up all the old people who have fallen asleep in front of the slot machine. The next innovation for slot machines is to include a pulse rate detector and a defibrillator that goes off automatically when your pulse drops below a certain rate.
| Langdon_777
lasercannon: I don't think that chair moves for fun I think it moves to wake up all the old people who have fallen asleep in front of the slot machine. The next innovation for slot machines is to include a pulse rate detector and a defibrillator that goes off automatically when your pulse drops below a certain rate.
And automatically presses the roll button ;)
| Perducci
Seems like a good evolution of both the slot machine and the arcade game. In fact, it even helps point out the ridiculousness of some anti-gambling people's logic: in their minds, apparently, it's perfectly acceptable to put quarters into a machine for hours on end as long as there's no chance of getting any of that money back. This type of game certainly blurs the line.
| Alunan
| Twitch Boy
WMS Gaming used to be Williams pinball. I has a sad now.
It's all fun and games until grammy has a nip-slip then vomits all over the machine.
| Somaticasual
I think they're vastly overstating the possible problem this might cause. In about 4 days, when that feature is broken and the casino slaps the old "chair doesn't work" sign over it, it will blend seamlessly with the other rows of machines designed to give the elderly about 5-10 seconds of hope per pop.
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At a spot where a medical student was killed by a car four years ago, volunteers gathered Sunday to spread a traffic-calming message.
Abigail Roth, one of the event organizers, sent in the following report:
The city's Street Smarts campaign became more visible at the busy intersections around Yale-New Haven Hospital and the Smilow Cancer Center on June 3, thanks to the work of volunteers partnering with the City of New Haven, Yale University, and Yale-New Haven Hospital.
This is the fourth year volunteers have used art to spread the message of traffic safety. When this project first took place in 2009, a large, colorful elm leaf mural was painted directly on the street at the intersection of Cedar and York Streets. The idea came from a graduate of Yale Medical School, Erica Mintzer '09. She was one of many medical students who dedicated themselves to improving traffic safety in New Haven after their fellow student, Mila Rainof MED '08, died after being hit by a car near the Medical School. The mural was intended to slow motorists down, beautify the public space, and make people feel more connected to the space. Yale-New Haven Hospital and the City of New Haven were great supporters of the project.
The elm leaf mural unfortunately lasted only for a few days because of its location on a heavily-trafficked road. Therefore in 2010, it was decided to instead paint smaller stencil designs directly on the sidewalk on York Street. This was a great success: having the City's bright Orange Street Smarts logo at curb cuts leading to intersections reminds pedestrians to use care crossing the street.
Last year the project expanded beyond York Street. Volunteers joined with students from Solar Youth to paint logos near Katherine Brennan and Clarence Rogers schools. This year the project expanded in a different direction, to celebrate the City and Yale-New Haven hospital finishing a project to upgrade 12 intersections around the Smilow Cancer Center. Along with repainting crosswalks and installing material on the curb cuts to assist people with disabilities, new traffic signals at the intersections are equipped with fully coordinated, demand-responsive controller systems, including countdown screens. To recognize this important project, and enhance its safety message, the logos were painted at several intersections with the new signals, including where South Frontage intersects with York, Park, and Howe Streets.
Besides improving traffic safety, this project importantly brings together the New Haven community. The City and YNHH provided wonderful support for the project with Jim Travers, Director, Transportation, Traffic, and Parking, volunteering his time early on a Sunday morning to paint logos and Nick Proto, Director, Protective Services and Parking at YNHH and Steve Merz, VP, Administration, YNHH providing invaluable logistical support. New Haven residents, including Esther Rose-Wilen from Wilbur Cross High School and Lindsey Ruminski of JCBA; Yale employee Kim Heard of Environmental Health and Safety; and Yale alumni-employees Abby Roth and Beth Miller, participating in a "belated" Yale Day of Service event, all joined together for this fun but important project. The participants look forward to continuing making New Haven's streets safer.
Click here for more information on the Street Smarts campaign.
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posted by: HhE on June 6, 2012 2:21pm
Maybe we need a distinct marking on the street at each location a person has been killed or maimed.
posted by: anonymous on June 6, 2012 3:04pm
That is a great idea HhE- there are many places where that tactic is used, and it can be very effective.
Thank you to the volunteers for organizing this painting event.
posted by: Claudia Herrera on June 10, 2012 8:36pm
Jim Good Job and good thinking!
The next best thing to do is keep them clean of snow in winter season. I will strongly suggest that you will do something similar "like color code" all over the city. the next project will be for the bus stop. I remember when I come tho New Haven. I did not have a car and I used public transportation for 3 years let me tell you that a mom with a 5 years old is not easy finding the next bus stop that actually you can past to catch the bus. the intention of color code is for the clean crew to pay attention to those places to CLEAN THEM NOT TO BLOCK THEM.


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SEATTLE – The public can view conceptual designs for a new State Route 520 bridge across Portage Bay – including possible cable-stay options – at an open house Saturday, May 19. The meeting is the latest opportunity for the public to give feedback as the Washington State Department of Transportation refines designs for the corridor from I-5 to the floating bridge.The open house is scheduled from 9 a.m. to noon Saturday, May 19, at Seattle Preparatory School, 2400 11th Ave. E., Seattle. Bridge architect consultant Donald MacDonald will give a short presentation at 9:15 a.m. and SR 520 staff will be available to answer questions throughout the morning. WSDOT hired MacDonald to provide architectural guidance for the new SR 520 corridor west of the floating bridge. MacDonald has designed bridges around the world during the past 30 years, including the TriMet light rail transit and pedestrian bridge now under construction in Portland and the Eastern Span of the San Francisco Oakland Bay Bridge scheduled for completion in 2014.Models and conceptual architectural sketches of the Portage Bay Bridge options under consideration will be on display at the open house. The models and sketches include bridges supported by beams, girders and cables.Public feedback on the benefits and trade-offs between the different bridge design options will help drive future design decisions. Additional open houses are planned this summer as part of WSDOT's Seattle Community Design Process. Materials from previous open houses are posted online.The meeting site is accessible to people with disabilities. Accommodations for people with disabilities can be arranged in advance by calling 206-770-3500.
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Embroidered pink blossoms inspired by the Kumaon Himalaya iris grace this luxuriously soft ivory cardigan sweater. In the northeastern Indian state of Manipur, the flower is known as kombirei, and is used in offerings during the new-year festival of Cheiraoba. 100% Cotton sweater with nylon embroidery. 3/4-length sleeves.
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By Sunflower
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About Me Classic, Comfort-oriented, Stylish
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Bought this on sale for me and was surprised - I'm 5'7 tall and a full size 16 and this cardigan fits me perfectly. Nicely done, fully lined - really beautiful for a great night out with hubby ;)
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I bought the natural coloured one.Fit is generous, sleeves are too long & need to be cuffed.Sweater is very soft & luxurious. Excellent value.Can be dressed up or down.Very pleased with this purchase as with previous purchases from NG.
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Service and delivery were most satisfactory, but the product was very disappointing. The picture of the Indian Iris Cardigan shows an elegant sweater. but the one I received was as my daughter put it, "Cheap looking." The beaded neckline looked unfinished as it was pieced together with two separate pieces down the front so it didn't have the flowing lines as pictured. Also, the cardigan was 70% bamboo/30% cotton and not the cotton/nylon blend with spandex as described. The picture does show facing at the neckline, but does not say the garment is fully lined. How can you "feel the luxuriously soft cardigan?" It cost $5.84 to return the cardigan and $13.95 postage & handling, and I have nothing except a bad experience.
Bottom Line No, I would not recommend this to a friend
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What a beautiful cardigan! It is lined and closes with hooks and eyes, so you can leave it open if you want. Such a beatiful pattern with embroidery and beads. I love it! I plan to carry it on the plane so I will give a nice presentation when I arrive for business. I purchased the beige version.
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The sleeve length is 3/4 although the description doesn't mention that and the trim is brown. I thought it was black from the photo.
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I'm curious to know since I might buy Rock Band 2,and I wonder if you can put Rock Band 2's downloadable content on a SDHC card.
I have a 4 GB SDHC card.
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Topic: Does Rock Band 2's downloadable content support SDHC Cards?
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