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in the row of tabs that are blue on the top, the 7th one over is a EH calculator. any one you use should be correct as its not a hard equation.
What are the formula's for calculating EH for Warriors, pallys, druids and DK??
I saw the DK one on EJ and I'm not sure if it's 100% accurate so I figured i'd ask here. I'm curious about the other 3 so I can figure up several other tanks I've worked withs values for comparision.
Thank you and sorry if my search fu sucked and those questions are already answered.
in the row of tabs that are blue on the top, the 7th one over is a EH calculator. any one you use should be correct as its not a hard equation.
That calculator doesn't include Death Knights.
The formula is rather simple:
Health / ((1-reduction from armor)(1-reduction from stance)(1-reduction from whatever))
A warrior with 100 health, 60% reduction from armor and of course Defensive Stance looks like this:
100 / ((1 - 0.6)(1 - 0.1)) = 278
So that warrior has an EH value of 278
Another example
A paladin with 100 health, 60% reduction from armor, Glyph of Divine Plea, Improved Righteous Fury, Shield of the Templar and Ardent Defender would look like this:
100 / ((1 - 0.6)(1 - 0.03)(1 - 0.06)(1 - 0.03)) = 283
Now take that and account for Ardent Defender which would give:
283 x 0.65 + 283 x 0.35 / 0.8 = 308
So that Paladin would have an EH value of 308
And the method is the same for Druids and Death Knights.
Just remember the armor percentage reduction you can see on your character screen is versus enemies the same level as you. Versus a boss that's 3 levels higher then you your armor would not reduce incoming damage quite as much. There's a forumula to calculate the exact armor contribution versus an enemy that's not your level somewhere.
Death Kight would be Frost Presence 8% (10% if specced frost) and Blade Barrier 5%. Druid would be 12%.
fyi, the theory on EH is currently being developed over at maintankadin to include magic damage.
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my issue is that the conclusion of all of that is that apart from adding in magic damage, it doesnt actually change anything.
your armor decreases in effectiveness as the amount of physical damage decreases.
no shit.
taking a relatively simple concept and adding 50 forumlae to it to come to the same conclusion is stupid.
The magic part of the equation isnt anything new either from what I can tell, didnt we already know this stuff? Is the "ooh ahh" part that someone put it into a complex formula? (an almost unusable irrelevant one at that)
You should read more into it. The purpose of the equation he is developing is to help you determine how EH stats compare to each other based upon the fight mechanic you are facing. I don't recall any EH formulas specifically set up to compare armor to resistance in a fight that is 70% physical and 30% magical.
Of course it isn't breaking new ground. It is trying to dig deeper into what we already know and put comparisons/values to the concept that haven't been posted yet in a easily found form. The best I have seen so far on the magical side, for example, is health*magic_EH_ratio. That's pretty much the gist of what you normally see. The stuff in that thread just goes into more detail. It doesn't change the concept.
First, what exactly is EH a useful metric for? It's the amount of raw physical damage that is affected by armor you can take without dying. In other words, it's only a useful number for determining how much you can survive without heals on fights where 100% of the incoming damage is physical hits affected by armor.
What boss fights does that include? Patchwerk, Maexxna and Vezax normal mode. Only three boss fights in all of WotLK. Even Gormok has a good chunk of his tank-killing damage as bleeds which -are not- affected by armor.
So, let's say you want to maximize the raw damage you can take from Gormok without dying, and you have a choice between Bulwark of the Royal Guard-232 and Crystal Plated Vanguard-245. Let's use a paladin with 50k buffed health and 30k buffed armor for a standard paladin tank just starting 25-ToC hard modes. We'll compare the EH difference between the choices with the N-EH difference between them for Gormok (based on post-mitigation damage in on our last kill WWS, 26k impale + 17k bleed + 14k melee average damage, or 40k affected by armor, 17k unaffected by armor, for a 70%:30% ratio post-mitigation. Worst-case bleed is probably higher than this, but I'll keep it at 17k to lean the numbers even more towards EH being accurate).
So, when looking at EH, you'd think the ToC-25 shield was better, but even for Gormok where only 30% of the post-mitigation damage is unaffected by armor, the ToC-10 one would allow you to survive more raw damage, and would thus be a better choice if that was what you cared about (and even if you consider the extra BV on Vanguard for the single blockable melee hit, that would just mean the Bulwark still wins, but only by 45 N-EH). In fact, the 10-man shield would be better for as little as 13% of the incoming damage being unaffected by armor.Code:Bulwark-232 Vanguard-245 Winner EH 163386 163448 Vanguard by 61 EH NEH(70/30) 131855 131774 Bulwark by 80 N-EH
In short, if you're looking at any fight except Patchwerk and Vezax-normal, EH is not an accurate metric for maximizing the raw damage you can take without dying. Want to know the best gear for Anub'arak where you've got physical damage, nature damage and froststrike (unresistable magic) damage? EH won't be even remotely accurate - you need a formula that takes into account damage from -all- types, which is what the N-EH formula is for, making it much more useful than EH which is only accurate for three boss fights in the entire expansion. The only other estimation methods we have currently involve lots of hand-waving and no exact numbers.
As for its practicality, there's already a mod for Ratingbuster that calculates the EH change between two pieces of gear and it wouldn't be difficult to make it instead calculate the N-EH difference based on either raw or post-mitigation damage percentages.
Furthermore you can use these equations to re-derive the armor-stam equivalence equation based on the actual fight instead of a theoretical 100% physical damage affected by armor fight (and create similar resist-stam and resist-armor equivalences), which Theckd has done in that thread.
Last edited by Xenix; 12-05-2009 at 11:32 AM.
Where are you getting 14k bleed damage from? According to our WoL report:
World of Logs - Real Time Raid Analysis
On heroic the average bleed tick was just under 7k. Furthermore you have to take into account what kills a tank, not just the damage breakdown. In a bust situation the bleed tick is not going to be 14k, at least not yet, The killers are going to be the impale + melee, so imo the armor shield is still better.
I do agree that it is important to take into account the magical damage, but very few tanks are going to stop stacking armor because the worms do a lot of magical damage. It's a very wishy-washy area imo. I do switch out heroic band of the traitor king and clutch of fortification if there's a magic component to a fight, but my gear changes don't get that drastic.
Even though those 3 fights are the only ones that are considered "100% physical" there are other fights where it is still smart to stack armor over stam if it gives more EHP, sometimes (like in the case of anub) even if stam gives more EHP because it also means damage dealt. Thorim and XT are 2 other very great examples I can think of right off the top of my head where there's SOME magic damage but tanks aren't gonna die to that, they're going to die to unbalacning strike. Algalon is another GREAT example. A star explosion isn't going to kill a tank, Algalon himself is more than capable of doing that, again you want armor. You could even make an argument for Jaraxxus if you kick all the fireballs, but I actually prefer my dps not so that I actually have rage.
The answer here is in the middle ground. Yes you should take into consideration fight mechanics, what % is unmitigatable, but also what effects are actually going to kill a tank. The calcs are legit, but don't boil it down to just those 3 fights because frankly if you don't that it hurts your credibility.
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Our guild 2-tanks all of heroic ToC, so the bleed stacks higher. Here is our WoL report for last time, showing an average bleed tick of 16.6k on me. What Gormok will use to kill the tank in that fight will be a Melee + 3xbleed tick + Impale at high damage buff stacks. Since the damage from all of his abilities scales equally with the grow-type buff, I used the average values to compute the percentages between them. In your case with a 3-tank rotation, the bleed is 7k average, impale is 12k and melee is 19k, which corresponds to a ratio of 18% bleed vs 82% normal physical on an average bleed+melee+impale combination. That still falls under the scenario where the extra health from the 10-man shield would provide for the ability to take more raw damage than using the 25-man one with more armor. Like I said earlier though, for a paladin with 50k health/30k armor, if the bleed is less than 13% of the damage that kills you, the armor shield is better, otherwise the health shield would be.
As for Algalon, I disagree with you completely. In that fight there are two worst-case scenarios:
First is Big Bang, which armor doesn't matter for - you need to use a c/d and have enough health with the c/d to survive it (the damage-type on big bang is the same as bleeds, physical unaffected by armor).
The other is probably going to be a quick main/offhand hit at the same time as a black hole explosion (20-22k affected by armor) followed by either a phase punch (9-10k unaffected by armor) or quantum strike (34-36k raw, probably 10-12k post-mitigation, affected by armor). Either way in this worst-case scenario, a good part of the damage coming in isn't affected by armor.
So, depending on your current stats, you -could- be better off trading some of that armor for health to increase your survivability to help against the second one and of course health is the only stat you could use to help with the first.
When you say that armor will give more effective health for Algalon, you're just assuming that - you'd have to do the calculation for your specific gear and for the hit combination that kills you to see which would give you the ability to survive more raw damage in that situation. It also depends on just how much armor you're trading for health or vice versa. Also, paladins get more health per point of stamina than warriors so armor isn't quite as good for us the same damage intake as it would be for a warrior.
Thorim hard mode is yet another example. While armor -does- help against a melee+unbalancing strike gib, it will not help as much against a melee+chain lightning+frost bolt from Sif, which is just as likely to kill you. As long as I still meet the EH requirements for a Melee+Unblanacing combo at whatever stack of increased damage we get to, I would much rather have higher health than armor in that fight as it will be more effective against the melee+chain lightning+frost bolt combo than more armor would be.
Regardless, the entire point of an EH formulation that includes all types of damage for a series of hits that could kill you is to see if you could survive that worst-case series of hits without healing. The original EH formulation does this but assumes that the entire series of hits that will kill you is melee damage only, making it inaccurate unless you're dying to only melee hits. If you assume the relative value of armor and health is always the same as when there's pure melee-hit type damage, you're going to be overvaluing it for most fights, and for some fights you will be overvaluing it enough that you could increase your survival by swapping it for health or even resistance. The N-EH formulation will tell you when that is.
Aslo, keep in mind that any EH formula will never tell you what makes you take the least average damage for any fight - you want armor/resist/avoidance for that of course. It only gives you a metric to see if you can survive a specific worst-case hit combination.
Let me re-iterate that this is nothing we didn't know in general (e.g armor is less effective when less of the boss's damage is affected by it). What -is- new is the fact that you now have an exact number you can use for comparison, which you can calculate using either raw damage or actual damage, depending on what you have.
Last edited by Xenix; 12-05-2009 at 04:06 PM.
fair enough I suppose. Though I definitely disagree with you on algalon.
Big bang is something that no amount of stamina can allow you to survive through that is currently available on gear without some kind of cooldown can save you from. I think that argument is bunk.
It would also greatly depend on your current gearing levels. While our pallidan has significantly more stam than I do, I have significantly more armor (about 2.6k more armor, he's also JC whereas I am Engineering).
Also, I've died maybe once a collapsing star + melee dmg (I don't even think the phase punch + collapsing stars really line up that well), the more frequent time a tank will die on algalon is if healers have to move from cosmic smash and have to stop healing. It is in THIS scenario that a tank is most likely to die. If healers never had to move then this fight would be a lot like brutallus. You'd want to get to about 45k min EHP (guess), then stack avoidance out the butt. The problem is that healers aren't always there to heal you and you've just got to be able to eat his melee damage for a while. It is HERE in my opinion that tanks are most likely to die and the damage is most likely to be all melee, therefore I would still prefer armor (provided it gave more EHP than Stamina) here.
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I went back and looked, because I was wondering why I've never really died to collapsing stars before.
World of Logs - Real Time Raid Analysis
They do not do nearly that much damage to tanks, 8k average hit? Hardly a threat imo. Since the average melee hit was slightly higher and far more frequent (and quantum strike was WAAAYY more damage) I'd say I'm in the right again here, at least for how my guild tanks it. Armor, if it gives more EHP, is going to be the winner here imo.
That same log also has Thorim, where I only get hit with chain lightening 3 times and frostbolt 5. I solo tanked this except for the last unbalancing strike IIRC correctly because our druid offtank was bored and felt like he needed to do SOMETHING (but I think I still had a cooldown left and could have taken the last one, I've tanked the entire thing before).
Basically this here says that melee/unbalacning is over 89.5% of my damage taken. The average hit of frostbolt and lightening charge combined is less than 20k damage, at the point in time I have enough hit points to sustain that + 1 unbalancing, it would become my contention that the most threatening abilities to kill the tank are melee + unbalancing in which case again you want the most EHP for regardless of if it is armor or stam.
I do want to make it clear, you are correct that you must take into account what can kill a tank and how much raw EHP between both damage unmittigated by armor and physical damage you take, my contention is that you over estimate the amount of magical damage tanks often take in, and that those combinations are extremely unlikely to kill a tank, whereas the raw physical damage will.
Freya3 is on there too, which you think would be one of the fights where you take the most magical damage next to mimiron, turns out again, that's not true. No ability unmittigatible by armor hit me for more than 6.2k damage, and melee+ground tremor accounts for 91.5% of my damage taken.
For Mimiron you are 100% correct, stam is going to give a very very clear edge over armor.
Edit: okay so I edited this post 8 or so times, I'm finally done now.
Edit9: found another typo, i r dum
Last edited by Aggathon; 12-05-2009 at 07:56 PM.
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I suppose I didn't consider pure melee damage as somthing that would kill the tank on Algalon because when we did 25-man we separated out all the tank healers to stand alone with no one near them so they all would never have to dodge cosmic smash at once. We never really wiped to tank deaths on that encounter, mainly to dps deaths while learning.
You are correct on that, though - if you are dying to melee damage only, then yes, stacking pure EH would be better than health alone.
The reason I mentioned Big Bang, though, that you do need enough physical non-armor EH to survive it taking cooldowns into account if you are tanking them. When we were first doing this in 10-man, I took all of them using shield wall for one and pain supression for the other, with barely enough health to survive the big bang using pain supression. (this was so our other less-geared tank could use his own c/d's while tanking). With a little less health it wouldn't have kept me up and I'd have to have used something else in addition or we'd have had to alternate Big Bangs. And, with a little more health, I wouldn't have come so close to death that a melee hit right after the big bang would kill me.
(Not that I stack health to the exclusivity of all else myself. At the moment, I've got 29.3k armor and 43.7k health unbuffed, mainly due to that gear being the only thing that has dropped for me, and liking socket bonuses.)
We eventually seperated out the healers, but I think our first couple tries were a bit uncoordinated in that regard. You can get REALLY unlucky and have cosmic smash target all 3 healers, but most frequently what would happen is like a black hole would be too close to a healer and that healer would have to move then cosmic smash was coming and another healer moved or one of the pallies would have to divine plea or refresh beacon or judgements or something at a bad time, healing would drop for just a second tank if we didn't have enough EHP or pop a cooldown we'd die at first, but both our pally MT and I were stacking EHP from the begining, so it wasn't really a huge deal, but that was the most likely scenario for a tank to die.
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And actually, from everything I've read he seemed pretty ambivalent about the whole thing. In fact, I believe he DID NOT apologize because he felt he'd done nothing wrong. He even made a comment that could be taken as gay supportive w/r/t to people calling him "gay."
It's just the sort of arrogant attitude I despise. He was very lucky to be given a second chance, and then sees it as no big deal. A typically selfish human being.
Andy, I'd live in the real world. His comments were patronising and deflected the heat off his sexuality. Many news reports said he was gay, combined that with what he did, he is obviously a repressed homosexual.
Well the jokes on him if he thinks there won't be any evidence of him jacking off again, thank god for video cappers.
Without re-reading the articles that came out after Paul was reprimanded by the University of Nebraska, what I recall is that Paul apologized for violating NCAA rules. It wasn't so much that he was sorry for jacking for cash; he was sorry he broke the rules which terminated his scholarship. Which, for the most part, was the fact that he made too much money since student-athletes have limits as to how much money they can earn. And, to a lesser degree, Paul violated a "code of conduct" clause by way of how he earned the money. But it was the MONEY, and NOT the conduct, that garnered the NCAA infraction.
Now that he has exhausted his college wrestling eligibilty, he can freely act just like any other college student. And if he wants to make a quick buck performing on cam, who are we to judge?
He is hot and I can't wait to see him again. We don't judge every other porn model's personal life, so why judge his.
The Beast wrote: It's just the sort of arrogant attitude I despise.
You despise EVERY human endeavor.
personally i find this very sad. i really thought he was going to shoot for the london 2012 games.
i hope he knows what he's doing. this guy eats, breaths, and shits wrestling. more porn work will probably kill any chance at having a career in coaching. i've seen the tape of his clinic: he's a natural.
His live show isn't until Wednesday. There is still a chance he might cancel before then. Maybe we should wait to see if he goes through with it or not. Then we can start the condemning or praising.
Yay! He is sooooooo hot!
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He might not even take his clothes off. It could just be a face to face (so to speak) with his fans about the past year.
I can't believe he's going back to Fratmen. I really think the owners of Fratmen exploited him by talking to the media.
According to his facebook, he's class of 09 so I guess he's done with school. If this is what he's choosing to do, he probably doesn't have many career choices.
Oh, I don't think he's gay or that he will do things with other guys. He lists he is in a relationship with a girl and straight.
Great that he's appearing! Reason I joined F-TV and he's one of the BEST!!
It say's Casey is next. I find it hard to believe that Paul would do a live show for Fratmentv.
How naive are you? You must believe everything you read.
NQI, if you want to paint Paul as a victim doso, but he brought all the shit upon himself. Why do so many men think with their cock? I wonder if Paul knows.
Damm would I love to chew on his hole for a few days.
Casey was on last night. Nash is on Wednesday according to the schedule.
FratmenTV is for one hour, more one on one with the members. As opposed to the pad, where members are always running into each other on cam. I'd give Nash the benefit of the doubt and not pre-judge him. It wouldn't surprise me if he discusses the subject during the chat session in the first half hour of his show. From what John has said in his Wednesday shows, he's been in contact with Nash throughout this whole ordeal. Nobody is forcing Nash to appear. Give the guy a chance. At least he's gotten his degree and the sport he's participated in doesn't go much beyond college. The Olympics are a long way off, if he even wants to participate, we don't know what's in his mind, while he can be making some money now to help with his student loans. I think Nash enjoys the rapport he's made with his fans at FratmenTV. And his TRUE fans enjoy him as well.
^ Exactly.
Paul is indeed returning as Fratmen Nash for some visits to Fratmen.TV LIVE! but we are postponing the first show one week until next Wednesday, May 20th at 7pm Pacific Time, 10pm Eastern. We jumped the gun on the equipment and location setup for his webcast and are going to need another week to get it right because it promises to be a lively show.
Join me tonight, Wednesday, May 13th at 7pm Pacific where I'm going to talk about what's in store for Fratmen.TV and Fratpad.com, answer questions and listen to what you want to see on the sites. I realize I'm not the best substitute for Fratmen Nash, but it will probably be a lively show as well.
Man, I was so siked for tonight. Somehow, I had a feeling this was coming. Anyhow, hope all works out next week.
yeah.. get the technical stuff all in order.. ..test test test. because, you want that event to go off well. if it does..hats off to fm, john, 'nash' etc. Not gonna be there tonight, but, john, any future shoots w. my favorite fm, Glenn? get him back..thx.
Will the show at least be archived? I know that the shows are usually archived, but for some reason I'm afraid that Nash and fratmen will want this to be an attendance only show.
Damn, I was looking forward to it - the reason I joined F-TV was to check out the complete "Nash" - Paul is SO F**KING HOT!!!!!!
FratmenTV's Hostmaster John spent an hour with the members last night and talked for well over a 1/2 hour answering questions about Nash. There were problems with Nash's Cam when testing it the day before. New equipment has been sent to Nash. Nash will appear next Wednesday and is anxious to talk to the members about the whole ordeal he's gone threw, and to set the record straight. John addressed many of the concerns that have been posted on this thread. Guys it will be worth the wait to see Nash in the flesh next week, and he will also give us a performance, to be sure. Also FratmenTV shows are archived, so if you can't see it next week live, you'll still be able to watch it.
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All the live shows are in the archives.
The older live shows with the smaller screen can still be downloaded, DRM free.
that drm/wide screen logic doesn't hold up. If they, infact, wanted to post the show-the technology exists to record and post those shows. its a matter of choice on their part. which is fine..
Just a few more days before we get to see the real thing live. I sure hope I haven't got my expectations so high that they will never be met.
Yeah, what's the deal? Are members going to be disappointed two weeks in a row?
Ughhh. Is this a trick to make people join? That's going to be like half a month's worth of membership wasted.


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Surprisingly disappointing encounter for a tank. The biggest challenge Ragnaros provides on top of tanking 1 add and controlling 1-2 other ones is ... resisting sleep. Seriously. 1 minute of actually doing something is not enough for a ~10 minutes long fight. GG Blizz.
When you are courting a nice girl an hour seems like a second. When you sit on a red-hot cinder a second seems like an hour. That's relativity. - Albert Einstein
The Molten Seed (I assume thats what you mean when you're saying "egg") does seem to have a travel time to it. I've noticed that it picks the spot you were standing in when it was "cast" from the lava to your current spot. Kinda disconcerting when you're trying to get away from the healer that suddenly moved forward at the last second for some odd reason..
Baleroc? Not moving at all, hitting your TB trinket once in a while and hoping for some dodges on the Decimating Blade is not really more fun for me. I could play Alysrazor with a G15 macro from start to finish without the firestorm/meteor intermezzo every other minute.. I've a lot of fun on Shannox while kiting Riplimp but that's it for this tier.
Ragnaros has some tankswaps every 20ish seconds and thanks to vengeance and lucky hits/crits i'll have to watch Omen (at least if you care for damage done). On heroic you can dance the Heigan Dance while not dying to his hammer and optimise your offensive and defensive cooldowns for the 3-4 seed phases. Actually it's one of the fights where i've to watch out for the most things at any time. It's a quite demanding fight with not a lot of margin for errors (from anyone), 15 minutes+ of full concentration and awareness .. we're at a few hundred tries on heroic it's still entertaining
edit: Seeds hit your intitial position about 1.5-2 seconds after their spawn, thus it's a common tactic to clump up on heroic and move as one. On normalmode i'd advise trying this: stay spread out and soak the damage from the initial hit before moving, this way you don't risk getting oneshotted from multiple seeds or running into another ones egg.
So we got to Rag a couple nights ago; our biggest problem is clearly the transition phase. Any tips for those adds on 10 man? We never even came close to getting them down in time. Maybe like got three of them down before the other five explode. Maybe. Eight adds for five dps is fucking brutal. I have absolutely no idea how you do this without knockbacks; we don't have any. Ideas?Edit : our dps is around 21k avg, all five of us. Just keep farming th first six til we get up to 30k? Edit : die in fire blizz. 15 attempts later, got four adds down. Impossible.
We have our tanks split up and get the last one on each side. We have a hunter put up a trap. We also have our heals stick close to the hammer and use any stuns (i.e switching to bear form, hammer, etc) if needed. The closest add on each side is handled by a warrior who can stun to help out.
Tanks on the ones furthest (obviously on the "tank side"). Closest ones the melee get, but in general each person just takes one and downs it. There is no excuse for healers to not be helping, same with tanks. It is pretty darn obvious, but the key to the phase is front-loading damage. No one should ever open up with anything but an instant. While nuking is key, also remember to get early damage on all of them. Even if your healers only give 2 or 3 global cooldowns (which they should easily be able to spare) thats a big difference. The goal is to apply damage to each son as FAST as possible - keep that in sight. Also, remember that their speed gets cut a lot for each 8250 damage done, thus why you are trying to spread damage early.
If that isn't working, try bringing more melee to your raids? I don't know the rogue/warrior classes that well, but DKs, enh Shamans and feral druids have it easy on this fight.
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We have just recently gotten to Rag putting in about 6 hours on him over two nights and we wasted prolly two hours of that on that add phase until we discovered that if you take the time to set up everyone with a certain add, you will find that it isnt bad at all. We defined the add phase as a 4-4, 2,6, 6-2 split numbered the add spawn points as 1 thru 8 and assigned everyone to thier own add. Our raid make-up consists of me a prot warrior, prot paladin, enh shaman, Dk, ret pally, mage, hunter. holy pally, rest sham, resto druid. We use our three melee closest to the hammer with me being in the fourth closest spot, after that if your healers can do any damage at all really they will slow thier add and the melee will destroy it as it gets to them. We havent downed him yet but we are at the last phase hopefully this week we will. I think the biggest hump in this fight is not tunneling and missing something and everyone getting used to the pattern with which everything happens.
So assigning spots worked out really well thanks. The adds went down with no problem once we did that, though our holy priest now hates me for making her smite. She went disc off spec for that fight so it doesn't suck as much for her. The 2nd phase we are working on now seems like LK p2 with stack and spread and conflicting requirements so that it's just a nightmare for the RL. Just wanted to say thanks for the tips.
How are people handling the living meteors in 10 man? we're lusting, nuking the scions and then kiting them, we get rag down to 24% by the time we get our 4th meteor and then slowely wipe.
Kill 6-7 sons and the other 1-2 low, kill at least one scion without lust before the last phase even begun. Kill the last son(s) before here emerges and then then LUST!, clump together next to him and pop your potions. He'll hammer once (can't hit any of you if positioned properly) and only 30s later he'll set the world in flames. With the second hammer he'll spawn a meteor, now you should take your positions for the rest of the fight on both ends of the plateau.
Assuming you three heal it when you're talking about 4 meteors? Split into two groups: both tanks, a ranged and two healers on one side while melees, the remaining healer and the rest of your dps on the other (= no parry for your melees).
Assign ONE player per side who's responsible for kicking the meteors, this job can be done by healers especially that on on the side with no tanks (other then that he should deal pseudo dps to the boss, only incoming damage is from world in flames or failures like Lava wave). You can only kick the meteors when they glow (~ 5-6 seconds after the last kick), they also get a buff called "Combustion" you can track. Only one player per side is important so the rest of your raid can work even harder on the boss, with everyone wasting globals on the (inactive) meteors you're going to lose a ton of dps.
It's important to split up both groups evenly so it's more likely that the meteor change the side after a knockback. If you get unlucky and the meteor is heading 3-4 times to the same direction the fixated player (every bossmod should warn you about that) will have to kite the meteor away from the camp so you don't get overwhelmed.
With lust worn off and your two groups settled the last scion should be dead from multidotting/cleaving and Ragnaros about 30ish percent when the first meteor spawns. Don't panic, watch your timers for world in flames and hammers and get in proper positions to avoid both. Some boss-percent later the second meteor will spawn. Check timer and your feet for the glowing circle before the impact. Your kicker will have to work harder now, if things gets messy he should call out for an assigned backup and Ragnaros should be somewhere around 20ish percent by then. Handling the meteors while avoiding WiF and Lavawaves is now most important, when the third meteor spawn get ready to kite them while the other 7 players slowly wrestle the Firelord down.
Thank you.
I haven't seen this addressed, but would it be possible or even worth it for a pally to use their bubble and explode a meteor to get it out of the way?
they don't go away after they explode... they just kill everyone in 8 yards then pick a new target.
Ah, ok.. thanks
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