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NEW YORK -- I contracted with Home Depot At Home Services to replace the roof on my house for several reasons. First, I wanted to go with an installer who was certified by the manufacturer, thereby allowing the highest level of warranty protection. I researched the project thoroughly and worked closely with the Home Depot salesman, [snip], for several months before signing the contracts. Mr. [snip] assured me that the work would be performed by a Home Depot crew, and not a subcontractor.
Imagine my horror when I arrived home unannounced one morning to find a crew of illegal alien, day laborers installing my roof. They were under the direction of an American foreman, and took great pleasure in urinating in my bushes. The extent of this problem came to light some months later when a neighbor's child described to her parents, in detail, the characteristics of an uncircumcised penis. Several shrubs were damaged along with this poor child's innocence.
The installation was completed the next day. The end product looked exactly as one might expect, given the qualifications of the "installers." GAF Camelot shingles (their most premium product)were jammed and buckled against the dormers. At least two bundles of a different color shingle - the GAF representative was later able to name the errant color from fifty yards - were used in the roof. Nonlinear shingle courses gave the illusion of a deep valley in the center of one roof. When shingle courses ended in wildly variable lengths, the excess was simply hacked off. It looks more like the excess material was bent back and forth until broke off, leaving a jagged edge.
Needless to say, I was very dissatisfied with the finished product. I was able to arrange a site visit with the regional GAF representative, a Home Depot representative, and the subcontractor. Yes, a subcontractor, after I had been assured that the work would be performed by Home Depot employees. The subcontractor drove up in a brand new Mercedes Benz and claimed that his "partner" had supervised the entire project. I had never seen this person before, and he had certainly never been on my property. He described a crew that was about two generations removed from the illegals who installed my roof. Luckily, I have a pretty sophisticated video security system and was able to capture some resolute portraits.
The GAF representative was mostly unwilling to acknowledge the roofing errors, preferring to inquire as to whether the month-old roof was leaking. If it wasn't leaking, he said, the matter was one of esthetics, a subject in which he was completely uninterested. I reminded him that the old roof (30 years old to be exact) wasn't leaking either, but I sure wouldn't pay $25,000 for it.
Home Depot is not sure who installed my roof, but they admit that there are serious problems. They have offered to have the subcontractor of record correct the errors. I have informed Home Depot that I prefer to avoid the robberies, home invasions, sex crimes, and homicides associated with the undocumented-alien workforce.
Had I wanted to expose my family to these perils, I would have a chosen a roofing company from the yellow pages, and taken my chances. Instead, I selected the most recognized name in home improvement. They sold the job to a subcontractor, who in turn sold it to a sub-subcontractor.
I would like to thank those of you who have contacted me with information. You will be happy to know that local media have expressed an interest in the case. One investigative reporter has offered to bring in experts to oversee the removal of the Home Depot roof. The entire process will be documented on tape for later broadcast. Footage from my security system will supplement the professional footage. Images of the roofing crew will be sent to law enforcement for comparison to known fugitives.
Please learn from my experience and avoid Home Depot At Home Services. They are prostituting their name and reputation at the expense of the consumer.
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tpebop on 08/01/2005:
I am not sure what a figative is but I would have called INS as soon as I saw those unducumented workers
KenPC on 08/01/2005:
INS doesn't care about illegals...and will not respond if you complain. Not really their fault, they have never been staffed to do so, and instructed not to detain anyone.
But... the trick to resolving this is to directly to Home Depot corporate. A Home Depot Manager's yearly bonus is largely based on how many customer complaints do not reach corporate level. Once they know that you are going over their head, they will scramble to make you happy. DOnt back down, and don't give up... you'll get a whole new installation out of this.
socal1 on 08/07/2005:
How do you know they were illegal? Did you demand to inspect their DL's or Green Cards?
To claim that they are illegal without any stated proof significantly belittles your valid complaints about the quality of work you received. These claims cast serious doubt about the validity of your complaint.
Anonymous on 08/07/2005:
CGB on 09/14/2005:
I have had a similar experience with defective GAF shingles (Grand Sequoia). Even though we had an agreement with the GAF reps, orally and in writing to get new comforming shingles and GAF would pay all damages the representatives later tried to cover-up that there was a defect. The legal department at GAF also has perpetuated this scam. We also have video survellence and caught the GAF reps in lie when they said they evaluated the shingles and opened 8-10 packs. The surveillence video contadicts that statement. Can you refer me to the investigtion person that is interested in your case? My e-mail is: email@example.com
Truth Prevails on 06/27/2006:
Having recently quit Home Depot At-Home Services as a Sales (roofing) Consultant, I cannot begin to tell you how unethical this company really is.
First of all, HD is in most cases 100-150% higher in cost than the highest estimates consumers would show me for similar work and materials. This constitutes PRICE GOUGING of the highest kind, and in its purest form.
Home Depot install services also requires AS A CONDITION OF EMPLOYMENT, that the new hire SIGN a waiver form, allowing the company to rob their salepeople of their HARD earned commissions that are owed to them, when they quit HD. This is the salespersons punishment for daring to quit the ALMIGHTY HOME DEPOT! Home Depot owes me over $1,300.00 dollars.
When I was interviewed for the sales consultant position, I asked the sales manager, "What happens to the money if in estimating a roof I am over in price?" He told me that when the PROJECT MANAGER conducts a "PII" Pre-installation inspection, if the PM finds a overage in cost estimate, the customer would receive a credit on their final payment, and if the amount is minimal, the customer would be issued a HD Gift Card. Well to the day I quit HD, none of my customers who trusted me with their orders ever received a refund. I have proof of this! I made the Human Resource dept. privy to all my complaints. No Replies yet.
In closing, I could not any longer work for this company. My conscience was terribly troubled. One last note. Please do not have HD come to your home for a roofing, window, or siding estimate. Don't say I did not warn you. You are inviting trouble!
Larry The Roofer on 01/16/2009:
Just for yor information. Home Depot doesn't install anything. The people you deal with are independent contractors using Home depot's Name and pay them a royalty.
The sales force are commissioned salesmen and the workers are independent subcontractors. As far as your roof problems, it sounds like you only had minor problems. I've been in the roofing business for over 40 years and YOU ARE ONE OF THOSE NUT CASES WE ALL EXPERIENCE ABOUT I IN 1000 CUSTOMERS. By the way these contractors don't even use HOME DEPOT Materials, they order from the local roof suppliers.
smkur50 on 09/15/2009:
You obviously don't know how construction works. You really think HD has any construction crews? It is almost always subcontracted. You act like you did all this homework for a perfect experience and roof..but failed in many aspects.
Your claims of illegals takes away from validity to your claims. I don't think even bothered to check any green cards/ID's before making these claims. They have to urinate somewhere, why didn't you offer your bathroom or request a port-a-potty? They can't hold it all day you know?
Why would GAF care or cover ANYTHING? Their shingles were not defective, they didn't install them.
Your complaint is with the subcontractor and they should be insured.
I agree with a few folks here. You may have had a valid complaint in the appearance of your roof but decided to exaggerate your whining to get attention and stereotype a very hard working group of people. Check your facts before crying. You are on of the 1 in 1000 people that we run across also!
PepperElf on 09/15/2009:
Though to be honest.... how can you tell if the crew is really full of "illegals"?
Many legal citizens also use their own languages when talking to each other.
Hell in the Navy, I got used to hearing Tagalog a lot, because many of the Filepeno sailors would use it to talk to each other.
Anonymous on 09/15/2009:
Smkur, you are aware that this complaint was made in 2005. I highly doubt the OP is going to come back to this site and see your response. But, stranger things have happened.
Cat312 on 12/15/2010:
I had my roof installed by Home Depot in 2007. The sales person at Home Depot offered me several packages to choose from and I selected the higher priced package because it came with a 'Lifetime Peace of Mind' guarantee. The sales Rep also guaranteed if there were any damages inside my home due to any leaks from their roof, that they were fully insured and would be responsible. The roof began leaking in 2008, again Sept 2009. They came to 'fix' these leaks. In April 2010 the leaks worsened causing a great deal of damage to my home. Home Depot sent their 'field team' to investigate the issue, and this is when they discovered the installation was done incorrectly. Their installers used aluminum and copper around the skylights causing a chemical reaction, deteriorating the frames of the skylights, causing $86,000 of damages. It has been 3 months of dealing with Home Depots insurance company, Sedgwick, of which Mr. Dwayne Smith has avoided my calls, and my attorney's calls. When finally getting Mr.Smith on the phone, he claims he lost the estimate provided by both a private adjuster, and my General Contractor. Meanwhile, Mr. Smith never provided his adjusters estimate. A total run around and stall tactic.
Now Mr. Smith Claims the issue is being investigated, this was the last we heard from him and that was November 18th. No Investigator has contacted us and it has been 4 weeks.
Though Home Depot admitted their error caused these damages, their insurance company refuses to be cooperative, and clearly dragging out my claim, making a bad situation severe. Home Depots 'lifetime Peace of Mind guarantee" is an absolute joke. After three years they are ignoring my phone calls. I am left with a 27,000 roof that leaks, and a house that is inhabitable. It has been a homeowners NIGHTMARE.
Cat312 on 12/15/2010:
Would love to know what media took interest. I have the same problem, however with 86,000 of damages from their installation! Any advise would help greatly, they are stalling my claim for over 3 months!!
Bel on 02/12/2013:
I wish I have seen this page prior opting for GAF with All pro siding and windows as the installer.I have seen problems with the workmanship and neither the contractor nor GAF want to take responsibility. It's about about 50 shingles to be re-worked, how about if there was leaks?
I'll hire a new company and use their report to sue both GAF and all pro.is this the right thing to do?
Thank you
Anthony on 05/29/2013:
Why in gods name would you of hired Home Depot in the first place . You should have done some research and picked a smaller company with the owner on the jobsite . GAF is the best shingle on the market , plus you over paid for your roof with Home Depot , by at least 3 to 5 thousand . Maybe next time you will do your homework
Lance on 06/01/2013:
Sometimes it seems like a competitor of Home Depot makes up a story and that sure is a doozy.
As far as the price being higher, it may very well be in some case but not 100% higher as someone claimed.
If you look at warranties on gaf website you could be getting the ten year prorated shingle by an independent contractor that is giving you a five year craftsmanship warranty if he is even still in business in five years. Just because two guys use the same shingle does not mean your getting the same warranty or quality done for that matter.
And to the ex sales person if you only were owed 1300 when you left, you are disgruntled because you couldn't make a living and didn't understand the products.
ROOFSYSTEMS on 07/24/2013:
Denise on 09/01/2013:
I had the same experience in 2007. We built a new home and hired Home Depot for carpet installation. The day of install, a beat up truck pulled up loaded with Spanish speaking installers. Not one spoke English. They had zero ID that they were " employed" by Home Depot. But, they had our carpet. They were quick with the job, however left holes in our Sheetrock , dings in the baseboard . The carpets have since separated at the seams . We have had nothing installed by them since. I told the supervisor at the Depot of our dissatisfaction , they were unconcerned. Never again.
General Contractor on 10/14/2013:
"I have informed Home Depot that I prefer to avoid the robberies, home invasions, sex crimes, and homicides associated with the undocumented-alien workforce."
Most crimes in this country are committed by American Citizens, both in the aggregate and in relative percentages. I am curious what nationality your ancestors are... Unless you are pure blood native American, you have no right to generalize illegal aliens.
You chose Home Depot because they offered the cheapest rates. If you had contacted a legitimate contractor their rates would have been much higher. You get what you pay for.
Hopefully you learned your lesson..
PS They peed outside because you didn't let them into your home to use the bathroom or pay to have a portable toilet on site. Try working an 8-12 hour shift without access to a bathroom.
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Unethical Business Practices - Do Not Buy A Roof From Home Depot
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SEATTLE, WASHINGTON -- On March 16, 2009 we had purchased jobs for roofing and insulation for our home at the address above by R (cannot use his real name on this website), a Sales Consultant at the THD At-Home Services from Bittlerlake/Seattle address, among other Home Depots around town. He's described as a weird old man with a mustache from the 1900s that curled up at the ends who proclaims he worked with the government in the past and that he was a former home inspector. He said he spoke several languages, but his Cantonese was pretty awful.
Because of Home Depots reputation for good service at their stores, we decided to trust him and hire Home Depot for our home improvement project. They presented themselves above all roofing companies, promising a lot for a fair price. However, our decision directed us toward the wrong path. Unethical practices from the sales department and billing/accounting by Home Depot revealed the truth.
My brother and I spoke to sales consultant during the estimation on March 16th about the work that we are hiring the Home Depot to do. We stated that we were concerned about our roof, which is 20 years old. Recently a leaking from the flashing near the range hood area in the kitchen has occurred, creating a water stain on the wall. There was also a mold problem in the attic space, but after inspection during the estimation, R concluded it was mildew.
During the estimation/consultation, the sales consultant had promised things that were basically lies. For one, R said that the Home Depots hiring process goes through a rigorous process, background check and drug test. This made me believe that the roof workers were employees of Home Depot. This is further from the truth; the company hired an outside source, Golden Seal Roofing, probably the highest bidder for this project. This wasn't revealed until the roofing company came knocking on my door to start reroofing.
The sales consultant lead us to believe there was a law made in 2006 which is illegal for King County homeowners to place new roofing material on top of old material. He also persuaded me to tell my father, who doesn't understand English very well, that it was completely illegal. After things started to unravel, I further researched this so called fact; I discovered there is no such law that states this. The King County law says that if it is over three layers, it's restricted; however layering new shingles on top of old is fine as long as it abides to this rule. ALWAYS DOUBLE CHECK THE INFORMATION ANY SALES PERSON TELLS YOU BEFORE SIGNING A CHECK, EVEN IF THEY ARE FROM A COMPANY YOU THINK IS RELIABLE.
The sales consultant then continued to talk about ventilation during the consultation. My brother and I were concerned about proper ventilation, especially since there is a mildew problem in the attic. Also, we explained that our ventilation holes on the front and back of the house were blocked with wood because of the birds around our neighborhood nesting inside. He said that those would be taken out for better ventilation and small screen netting would be needed to keep the birds out. None of this was done. I have yet to get a response from the sales consultant regarding this issue after emailing him.
We asked if the wood under the shingles would be replaced due to the dampness and mildew from the Northwest weather and also deterioration because of the age. Among the many lies during our consultation, he said they would replace the OSB with plywood. This was not done either.
After the roof was installed, during our own inspection, to our shock, many of the promises made were not completed. When I spoke to him over the phone on March 23, 3009 in the evening (the same day the roof was installed), he said that replacing the OSB with plywood was what we agreed on. I assumed this would be corrected immediately.
The next day on March 24, 2009, he came by the house two hours late and started retracting what was said. He basically backtracked what we agreed upon during our initial consultation and finally gave me the warranty information. The warranty on the paper says the first 12 years are non-prorated, but he tells me this is actually 20 years. After reading many complaints against Home Depot roofing, I'm beginning to believe how Home Depot does not honor this contract.
During our conversation, the sales consultant said he spoke with the project manager the night I called. The project manager said that only the area where the ventilation shaft for the kitchen's stove top hood needed the plywood. The sales consultant started to say that they had to keep the cost down by not replacing the old OSB for plywood. Again, this is all new information after the fact the roof was done.
The sales consultant finally showed me our itemization – approx $ 6,500.00 which was bundled into Timberline roofing material and cost of labor, this never included the cost of plywood. He further continued to say that the OSB wood we have on the roof did not have a problem and it was strong enough to hold in the nails. None of this was revealed during the consultation.
He then proceeded to rant on how mold and mildew will fall off the OSB board in the attic once there is proper ventilation. Again this was new information never presented prior to me signing a check. He also backtracked and said that if the roof did need new plywood, he would have come out and checked out the roof himself and would have given me a higher estimate. This guy was unbelievably deceitful.
I naively assumed this was all included in the materials and labor cost, since the total cost was so high. When he finally showed me his paperwork, the material and labor costs was bundled up together under the category Timberline. They still have yet to give me a proper itemization with the breakdown in actual cost, including materials, labor, material removal, and many other fees.
The sales consultant also recounted that the itemization could have been made if the customer asked. The lame itemization that bundled everything together under the name Timberline would not have given me what I wanted. When I asked by email for the itemization on March 18, 2009, he called me at home, asked me why I was even asking and told me he couldn't give me one and said that the estimate is 60% for materials and 40% in labor.
If you broke it down, it cost approx. $3900.00 for the Timberline roofing materials and $2,600.00 for labor cost. Additionally, he charged $1,100.00 for exhaust ridge vent and flashings for chimney and drip edge. Truthfully, Home Depot had charged me over 100%+ the amount it would have cost me to have the roof professionally done.
Home Depot has continues to give me wrong information and is completely unprofessional during the roofing process. On March 18, 2009, Wednesday, Home Depot Services called and spoke to my brother. The person said that the project manager will meet with me in the next morning to re-measure and they will start Monday to reroof.
When the project manager came the next day to re-measure, he said that the roofing company will call to schedule when a good time to reroof would be when I tried to confirm if it was Monday. He didn't know when they would come. No one called to confirm.
Monday morning comes along and I hear a knock at 9 am and roofing company showed up. I spoke to the owner of Golden Seal Roofing asked why they didn't call to confirm. His answer was "Why?" They started at 9 am and finally ended work at 2 pm, which totaled 5 hours of work for $2,600.00 for labor cost.
Lies after lies, the sale consultant's presentation included how Home Depot purchases large amounts to keep the cost low for consumers, but in all honesty they over price everything and outsource the work. We have decided to cancel the insulation job, calling the THD At-Home Services in Renton to do this. They charged us a 25% cancellation fee because they have already purchased the insulation material. The cancellation fee totaled approximately $400.00, outrageous! After realizing how deceitful and money hungry Home Depot is, they have lost our family as long time customers.
Had we known how unethical Home Depot is with their business practices, we would have never contracted Home Depot for any of the services. Always cross check information and never ever buy a roof from Home Depot or any other services they provide.
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Home Depot scammed me
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ATLANTA, GEORGIA -- I purchased a roof for my home from Home Depot in April 2011 and have been fighting since to have it properly installed. I paid with my Home Depot credit card. During one of my many calls to the customer service department, I was asked if I wanted to dispute the charge. I agreed it was worth disputing and that my roof (still to this day) is not satisfactorily installed. The dispute was opened on May 9th, 2012.
The dispute was finalized in my favor and $12,110.00 was provisionally credited to my account on September 9th, 2012 with a note that if further âsignificant evidenceâ was found that the amount would be reapplied to my account. I called the customer service and asked what âsignificant evidenceâ would entail and how much more investigation would there be. I asked these questions as $12,110.00 is a lot of money and with the initial letter opening the dispute claimed that the initial investigation could take up to 60 days, and by the time I received the letter stating that the charge had been reversed was 128 days, double what was quoted.
I was told that it was closed and no further investigation would be completed. However, around October 1st, 2012 I received a phone call from the Phoenix office asking if someone could come down and inspect the roof and make sure that everything was taken care of. On October 6th, 2012 a gentleman came down to my house and instead of getting out a ladder to get on the roof, he pulled out some paperwork. He explained that this form was a copy of a previous form that I had signed and that the person who had the form in Atlanta âhad diedâ and because they âhad died, no one can find the paperwork that was originally signedâ.
Reviewing the paperwork, I noted that the form was a Customer Service Order form and stated that the work to be completed was to fix some exposed nails, torn shingles, and repaint the metal trims and that those specific items were completed. It also states that the balance remaining was $0.00.
With the suspicious circumstances surrounding this, I asked the gentleman if this had anything to do with the disputed charge. I was told that it had nothing to do with the charges and that it was only replacing a lost form. I reluctantly signed the form, the gentleman never did go on top of the roof and he left. Several weeks later I received a letter dated October 18th stating that the $12,110.00 has been reapplied to my account and that âAdditional information has been received that provided significant evidence for the amount to be reapplied to your accountâ. Attached to the letter was a faxed copy of the form I signed on October 6th, 2012.
This was clearly a scam to trick me into signing a form stating that the roof had been satisfactorily completed in an attempt to defraud me of the amount that was returned to me. This is obviously a bait-and-switch, which is an illegal practice in the United States. I am writing for corrective action in returning the credit of $12,110.00 back to my account. Home Depot cheated me out of a properly installed roof, and then scammed me into paying for it after the disputed charges were dropped from my account.
Permanently re-credit the $12,110 back to my account, zeroing my balance.
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HomeDepot_Care on 10/26/2012:
Hi, jwlambcap. I am so sorry to hear there has been so many issues & delays with the install & resolution. I'd be happy to look into this for you if you'd be able to email me the full name/phone/address that was put on the roof purchase & remind me you posted on my3cents.com. Thank you very much. - Nicki (firstname.lastname@example.com)
madconsumer on 10/26/2012:
what was the issue with the roof install that was not correct? what does your copy of the contract state was going to be done?
ok4now on 10/27/2012:
"I purchased a roof for my home from Home Depot." Stop right there. They use sub-contractors and this could be hit or miss. Some are excellent, many are not. Now you're playing the blame game and hearing the stall tactics. I would not trust a box store with this expensive job. Better to use a local roofer with a proven track record that stands behind his work.
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Home Depot Roofing Alert
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A Home Depot roofing salesman came to my parent's home yesterday, 09/02/2011. I sat in the other room as the salesman spoke with my elderly parents, 92 and 85. My parents did not sign a contract with the representative after I convinced them to get other quotes.
The long and short of it is that the guy was a con-man. He spoke of peace of mind, the reputation of The Home Depot, the large number of shady, non-licensed roofing contractors in the state of RI, etc. He had a binder filled with the names of non-licensed companies in the state of Rhode Island. He also spoke of being a family man, his church and his parents.
He quoted $14,000 to re-roof my parents house. Knowing that the price should be in the $400 a square neighborhood I was shocked when I heard the $14,000 figure, getting up and going into the other room to join them. (I try and give my parents a sense of self-reliance.) The roof is 15 square, the price should have been in the $6000 range. I said nothing about the price to the salesman, just made sure they did not sign a contract.
The salesman realized he was not going to make a sale at $14,000 so he lowered the price by $800, saying that he would give them the Architectural Grade shingle for the same price as the, "entry," shingle, saving them $800. The two types of shingles are the same price, he simply raised the price on one to discount later in the pitch. Still sensing no sale, he offered a 10% senior discount and 12 months interest free, along with a great deal on the HD credit card. The sales representative would not leave the written quote unless they signed that day.
Reading other similar Home Depot roofing reviews, many as far back as 2003, it is obvious that these very shady sales practices have been going on for a very long time. It is hard to imagine that HD is not aware of what is going on, if not outright encouraging such behavior.
Stealing is bad, we all agree, but preying on the elderly doesn't get much lower.
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madconsumer on 09/03/2011:
there are many factors in roofing. such as drip edge, facia, installing roof vents, type of roof vents and so on. architectural shingles do cost more than entry grade.
what prices were the other quotes?
trmn8r on 09/03/2011:
Getting multiple estimates for a job like roofing is a great idea, unless you know a reputable contractor.
I wouldn't arrange with Home Depot to shingle a dog house. $400 per square sounds reasonable, but there are variables such as the pitch of the roof (higher labor for higher pitch), material used, location, etc. Get more estimates!
HomeDepot_Care on 09/03/2011:
Michael. I would like to look into this for you & I of course apologize for any inconvenience this has caused. Please email me your name/phone as well as the name/phone number the consultation was set for your parents (at email@example.com). - Thanks, Nicki
chemman on 09/04/2011:
I am currently trying to get a roofer to fix my leaking roof and have had about 7 no shows now. $400 a square is high for this area (I'm in the south), it runs closer to $200 here. Mine is steep and needs some vent work and trim repair, I was quoted $600 for two squares but I can't get anyone to come back and do the work. It's very frustrating
graham.janie on 09/07/2011:
Wow, that is very shady. I prefer roofing contractors that aren't so big they are scattered over the nation.
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Top $ roof -- no service
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ROYAL PALM BEACH, FLORIDA -- My name is Chris. I have been a loyal and satisfied customer for over 17 years. That is until my wife and I called At Home Services for installation of our new roof. The nightmare began when hurricane Frances hit (Sept. 3-6, 2004). We needed a new roof. Sunday's newspaper (9/12/04) advertised that Home Depot At Home Services is now doing roofs. We have had a previous good experience with At Home Services and we want to go with a big company who will do a good job on our roof. We call on 9/12/04. On 9/13/04 Chris (salesman) comes to our home, sells us a new roof. He explains that there are no payments, no interest for 6 months.
Our contract amount is $14,254.00 --- this is top dollar - we are paying for top service. I was so impressed with Chris' presentation (he was at my home for more than 2 hours) and especially the professional service that Home Depot guaranteed. Chris told me that he was part of a team. There would always be a Home Depot representative to work with us every step of the way. Making sure the job was done up to Home Depot standards. He advised that we, the buyers would be contacted by phone by a project coordinator. No project coordinator called us. Home Depot had already either dropped the ball or totally misrepresented themselves to us.
Andy arrives the following week, introduces himself as the project manager. He is to look at the roof and confirm that the measurements are correct. Great. Meanwhile, Hurricane Jeanne (Sept. 26th) hits and does even further damage to our compromised roof. My wife and I, like millions of Floridians are stressed beyond belief by the recent events. One good thing, we have already called Home Depot and are in the works to get a new roof. The second Hurricane knocked out power and phones and it is impossible to get in touch with Home Depot.
We call Chris in early Oct. and ask what is going on. We haven't been called by a project coordinator. Chris can't believe it. He provides us a phone number for the first project coordinator, Penny Napa. Penny says no problem. The job is in the works and it won't be long until we receive a call telling us the scheduling date. By mid-late October we don't hear anything. We call Home Depot and are told that Penny is no longer our project coordinator. Now we have been assigned to Courtney. We finally get in touch with Courtney, she says no problem we should be scheduled by the end of the week and she'll call us with the scheduling date. No return call.
We call Courtney repeatedly, only to reach voice mail which states "all calls will be returned within 24 hours". We leave messages ---We never receive a return call. Now why would you have to state on your voice mail message that all calls will be returned within 24 hours - are calls not being returned? At this point the communication between the customer (us) and the seller (Home Depot) starts to deteriorate and we begin to be unhappy and unsatisfied. We call At Home Services office in Delray Beach, Florida, and complain to the person who answers the phone that we can never get our project coordinator on the telephone. We express our disappointment and are assured that Courtney will call us back. Courtney has Andy (the project manager) call us. We express frustration with Andy that no progress is being made. We are passed the 4-6 week period for work to be completed.
Andy provides excuses, we have to be patient, we have to understand that no one expected two hurricanes. We say we are trying to be patient but we want Home Depot to deliver on their promises. Andy advises that there is a problem obtaining the shingles. It will be an additional 1-2 weeks. We are again assured that we will be called and things will get better. Early November - no call - we call Courtney. Again, where is the communication? What is going on? We are growing more frustrated by the way we are being treated. We are called by a roofing company - during the day while we are work and a message is left on our answer machine that we have been scheduled for January 13, 2005! We are stunned! My wife goes crazy. Calls the roofing company the following morning and states January 13th is totally unacceptable.
My wife tells receptionist at Roofing company to please call Courtney and tell her that an upset and angry customer has called and Courtney has to deal with the situation before it explodes. My wife is contacted at work by Courtney. My wife explains that we were told our roof would be done in 4-6 weeks. Now we are expected to wait into the new year!! My wife thinks there has been a major screw up and tells Courtney so. Courtney only offers excuses to my wife --- My wife doesn't want any more excuses - we want answers and action!! Courtney can't deal with my wife and puts my wife on the phone with her boss, Ben, manager of At Home Services in Delray Beach. My wife tells our story to Ben and complains that there is no communication. Ben offers more excuses. My wife begs Ben to please keep her in the loop, we can't deal with Courtney any longer. We are very unhappy customers and all we want is to be happy customers. We ask Home Depot to make it right. We ask Home Depot to deliver the services we were promised. You are a large company and if you have taken on more work than you can handle we the customer should not suffer at your expense.
Again my wife asks Ben to take advantage of the opportunity to make us happy. Ben says he will keep us "in the loop" -- now shingles are available --- but there aren't enough roofers to go around. He reminds my wife that two hurricanes have just made things difficult. My wife tells Ben she realizes this --- we survived the stress of the hurricanes and really don't need any more stress in our lives - at the hands of Home Depot.. Ben tells my wife Home Depot is working on getting more roofers and Ben says that his "team" will go back to the drawing board and see if it is possible to get our start date moved up. My wife says thank you. Apologizes again but frustration got the better of her. WE NEVER HEAR FROM OR SPEAK TO BEN AGAIN! So much for communication. Another opportunity to turn an unhappy customer into a happy one is lost by Home Depot. :-( November 23, 2004 (2 days before Thanksgiving) Home Depot truck arrives in the middle of the day while we are at work to deliver shingles. No prior phone call is made to us. We have no idea to expect them. 6 palates of shingles are left in our driveway. No one signed for the shingles. It is now Home Depot's policy to deliver materials without letting the customer know?
Again, no communication from Home Depot to us. What happened to the professional service? By the time we got home from work that night it is almost dark. We are left with no choice but to move these heavy shingles into the garage for safekeeping as people are desperate for shingles and they are being stolen from job sites. We, the customer, do not appreciate being put in the position to be forced to do difficult physical labor at our age and we were very, very upset, not only with the lack of communication but with the thought of being physically injured moving those heavy shingles. What happened to the Home Depot team? We are left to shake our heads in disbelief again. What is going on with Home Depot are they now delivering materials and expecting the customer to store them for approximately 2 months? :-(
Early December, 2004, we are called by Home Depot At Home Services who inquire if we happened to receive shingles. Uh yeah they came all right. Does this mean we might just get our new roof by the end of the year? Home Depot representative advises they will call the roofer and see. Once again, no communication between customer and Home Depot, no communication between Home Depot and roofer and no communication between roofer and customer. :-( Mid December we call roofer - have you received a call from Home Depot and are you going to start the job early? We have shingles stored in our garage. We are told January 13, 2005. We are disappointed but it is the middle of December we only have to wait one more month! :-) However, we are very inconvenienced by Home Depot as we cannot keep ours cars in the garage. More frustration. Bob (title unknown) from Home Depot calls my wife at work January 11th and says would it be okay if the roofer starts a day earlier?
My wife says great news. My wife asks Bob point blank - "the roofer isn't going to start the job and then leave us hanging for 2-3 weeks before completion are they?" Bob says "oh no --- that would be a nightmare" !! January 12, 2005, one day early job starts ----- this is 121 days after contract is signed. 6 weeks is 44 days. Only 66 days late --- The Home Depot Way! Roofer sends a "prep" crew on January 12, 2005. They don't know anything about the shingles in the garage (why not? We told them in mid December we had shingles?). They are very unhappy they are required to now haul these heavy shingles up to the roof by way of ladder. I personally helped them put the shingles on the roof. I say are you coming back tomorrow to finish the job? Crew foreman states - No. We are only the prep crew. We are finished.
Another crew will come to finish the job and lay the shingles. When will the shingles go on I ask? A couple of days --- "You'll come home one day and your roof will be done" the foreman says. Roofer leaves the paperwork for the job taped to the front screen door and we are told not to remove it or the ladder left on the side of the house. The inspector from our town will need to come. This was January 12, 2005. I call Roofer the next day, January 13th to inquire if I am scheduled for next week to finish the job. I am told that they were working on the scheduling and I'll be advised. I am happy - I ask for 1 days notice to make arrangements for my pet to be boarded elsewhere. No call the following week :-( No inspector :-( Now what is going on?? January 26, 2005, Joe (last name and title unknown) from Home Depot, calls my wife at work - wants to know if we are happy with our new roof! Ha! My wife says what new roof? Job was started but we are waiting for the roofer to come back - it is now 2 weeks after the start of the job. My wife is not happy with Joe.
Joe advises he will contact the roofer. Joe arrives at our house the very same afternoon. He tells me that the roofer advised the job was done. My wife says well look at the roof - does it look done to you? Joe explains he is the new project manager. He will call the roofer and find out what is going on. We want to know why the inspector hasn't come. My wife says maybe somebody forgot to call the inspector. Joe says well maybe the inspector is behind and lately he says, the inspectors have been coming by, taking pictures and signing off at the end. My wife expresses frustration and disappointment with the way we have been treated. Joe offers excuses but no answers!! This is a reoccurring theme. My wife tells Joe that Bob told her that the job would be started and finished and we would not be left hanging for 2-3 weeks - that would be a nightmare according to Bob. My wife tells Joe we are living the nightmare. Joe is not sympathetic with our story. Again, is it Home Depot's policy to change project managers and not make the customer aware of it. Total lack of communication on the part of Home Depot. More frustration.
I feel better at this point because Joe the project manager has arrived on the scene and is going to fix everything. Great! :-) I am waiting for a call from Joe. My wife tells me not to hold my breath. My wife says the story about the inspector taking pictures and coming back at the end of the job doesn't sound right to her. I tell my wife Joe said he would take care of it. My wife says we've heard that before. At this point I still have some faith in Home Depot. No call from Joe. No call from roofer. No inspector. What is going on!!!!!! January 29, 2005 (Saturday), Roofing crew arrives at 7:30 am - no phone call? No 24 hour notice?? Okay, what the heck, we are finally getting somewhere. This nightmare is almost over :-) Crew checks paperwork on door --- has not been signed off by inspector! Crew says they cannot finish the roof without signature from the inspector. I say no, no, Joe my project manager was here 3 days ago and he said we didn't need an inspector to sign off.
Crew foreman walks away and calls boss. Comes back and tells me sorry we have to leave. I say what! No. no. don't leave. Foreman tells me that I can call for an inspection. Well not today--- it is Saturday and every place is closed!!! Am I supposed to call for an inspection? I thought my Home Depot "team" was in charge of the job. How come no one told me on January 12th that I was supposed to call? Again, no communication and lots of frustration for us. I am kicking myself at this point for putting faith in Joe. I have no business card and no way to get in touch with him. I have Andy (the old project manager's) phone number. I call Andy. I tell him what happened today and what happened with Joe. Andy says "sounds like somebody dropped the ball!" He'll get in touch with Joe and Joe will call me. I call Roofing Company --- get answer machine and leave message.
I wait all day for a return call from Joe. No call. No one to call and say gosh we are sorry. We will make it right. No call, no inspection, no communication NOTHING :-( This ISN'T THE HOME DEPOT WAY. This is not what we were promised and what we are expected to pay for! I am left to stew all day and my frustration gets the better of me. I call and leave messages on at least 8 different voice mails. I am now at this point pleading - will someone please help me! Will someone give me answers! I finally figure out how to get the phone number for Home Depot Corporate Headquarters in Georgia. I speak with the complaint department. I will not hang until I am given a name and phone number of a vice president, a regional manager, you - Mr. Robert Nardelli, the CEO! Finally, I am given the phone number for the southeast Regional boss, Mr. Charles Williams. I call him and leave a message - again I am begging for someone to help me. No roof!
As of today, January 31st, it is two days short of 3 weeks since the prep crew arrived to start the job The nightmare continues. We gave Home Depot opportunity after opportunity to turn this situation around and make us satisfied and happy customers. When this nightmare started that is all we wanted. To be happy. Home Depot dropped the ball. We feel that we have been wronged and we want Home Depot to make it right with us. Just finishing the job is not going to be enough. We were sold a product and services on Sept. 13th. A very expensive product that came with very poor quality service (at top dollar cost). This is not the Home Depot way of doing business --- or is it? The Home Depot website makes promises that are not being kept regarding roof installation and professional services offered.
Obviously you as the President are not aware of the total lack of professionalism being offered to your south Florida customers. We can't seem to get anyone on the phone to help us. We have no alternative but to write you a letter and let you know. Well, now you know. This is a true story. This is not a joke. Will you please make things right? Please contact us.
Thank you for taking the time to read this letter.
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tander on 01/31/2005:
That's horrible customer service, and I can see where you would be extremely frustrated.
I sure will think twice before I ever use there home service, I'm a too impatient person to wait like that.
jt101 on 10/04/2005:
Hmm so after 2 hurricanes and that many calls, I think you would've called someone else. Problem starts there and I can imagine everyone running out to service you after a hurricane. Good luck
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Home Depot 'At Home Services'
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I felt compelled to chime in responding to another post I saw about Home Depot's window program. A gal had been in the store pricing windows and ultimately agreed to an appointment with a salesman in her home at the behest of the store associate. She was miffed to find that the 'Home Services' salesman had different windows to offer than the store millworks department. As a THD At Home Services, Inc. salesman, I deal with similar frustration daily. The Home Depot has two distinct programs for replacement windows. One that offers a wide array of products and prices for 'do-it-yourself' projects and another that entails a turnkey replacement of existing windows (or roofing, siding or seamless gutters). My personal preference is to have my associates in the store 'spread the word' about our installed services and to offer an in-home appointment with someone like myself - a well trained sales consultant. In the home, we offer the same basic tenets that have grown The Home Depot into the world's second largest retailer. These are Convenience, Selection, and unbeatable customer service. If, after an in-depth consultation and quote, the customer does not desire to use the 'At Home Services' program, a good sales consultant will happily refer the customer back to the store to learn about window pricing that is exclusive of installation, delivery, installation warranty, ancillary products necessary for installation, disposal, clean up, and the peace of mind that comes from using the nation's largest home improvement retailer - and the nation's largest replacement window contractor - The Home Depot.
I realize I may sound like an orange-blooded cheerleader for my employer, but as a 27 year veteran of the remodeling industry, I can say that there is very real value in using The Home Depot's installed services. Issues can and will arise in any remodeling project. I have witnessed my company 'making things right' when 'Chuck in a Truck' may not have been able to.
The Home Depot organized the 'At Home Services' division in response to customer demand about 8 years ago. Prior to that time, customers with larger projects than they cared to attempt by themselves were sold the necessary products off our shelves and referred to installation contractors who could install the store-bought products. If there was a problem with the installation, the customer had to contact the independent installer. This arrangement was flawed as The Home Depot lacked quality control on the installation side. No matter how unrelated to us, a third party installer could tarnish the impeccable reputation that The Home Depot has earned. Nowadays, a customer that contracts with The Home Depot for replacement windows enjoys the peace of mind of having every aspect of the project backed by The Home Depot.
The Home Depot's prices are generally in line with the local market. This alignment is carefully monitored by individual 'Program Merchants' that are assigned to their respective trades. One cannot easily compare windows off the shelf to windows that are installed. It would be like comparing apples to those yellowish, odd little fruit that slices up in the shape of a star. The company's challenge is to raise awareness of their 'At Home Services' division. Through the program, customers can have a huge array of products installed for them - as well as have electrical, plumbing, and HVAC services performed for them. Requests for quotes can be made online (www.homedepot.com), in the store, or by calling 1-800-HomeDepot. The 'At Home Services' division often has fantastic discount programs as well. I am currently able to offer my customers 10% off of the bottom line on premium installed roofing, siding, windows, seamless gutters, home insulation and storm protection systems. We also have roofing, windows and home insulation that qualify for the Economic Stimulus Tax Credit of up to $1500. This is a true tax credit, not a deduction from one's income - real money to offset the costs of installing energy efficient products in the home. Through our occasional credit promotions, folks using the Home Depot Credit Card can have energy efficient products installed at a 10% discount and have their tax credit money before the project is due for payment. This is possible as the company occasionally allows 12 months 'same as cash' - no payment / no interest for 12 months. The company also has other financing options that help make larger projects very affordable to folks with good credit. I hear very often after a consultation that the customer learned a great deal about the project they are considering by having me offer a consultation and quote. That's a free education folks - whether or not you buy from The Home Depot. 'Pete in a Pickup' may scribble a dollar amount on the back of his tattered business card. Your At Home Services Sales Consultant will give a thorough presentation of our wares and field all questions with superb product and industry knowledge.
The note I'll close with is this: The estimate is free - It costs one nothing but 60-90 minutes in the comfort of their own home to learn about great products, services and financing options.
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DrCop on 05/21/2010:
Too bad THD doesn't have a clue what constitutes the requirements for the Tax Credit since June 1, 2009. First off, nobody seems to be able to produce a Manufacturers Certification that is required by the IRS on the 6200 Series windows sold and installed by THD, making them legally ineligible for the Tax Credit. Simonton produces the 6200 and 6500 Series windows exclusively for THD and can't help you with anything about them. Check out THD website on the Tax Credits and page down the manufacturers and you won't find Simonton. Guess why?
Secondly, THD shows all the windows as having the Cardinal "NEAT" glass which reduces the need for exterior cleaning. Simonton, the maker of the windows, denies that glass produced by Cardinal for THD has this coating. Five of 9 windows ordered from THD and installed did not meed the .30 U factor and .30 SHGC requirements for the tax credit, although the salesman stated the windows would meet these requirements and we would be eligible for the $1500 credit. Even gave us documentation (NOT a Manufacturers Certification, so it's worthless) stating that.
Thus, people might want to realize if they do not have the Manufacturers Certification AND the NFRC labels from the windows showing the .30 U factor or less and the SHGC or .30 or less for windows, doors and or skylights thay may have purchased through THD since June 1, 2009, they are not eligible for the tax credit. And, if they are audited, they could be subject to penalties and taxes. Nice, huh?
The positive side. One of the best installs you could hope for. Oh wait, the installers are all subcontractors, so no wonder! They aren't THD employees. Silly me!
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Less the 6 months ago we hired Home Depot to install a new roof. We paid more than we would have for a local contractor, but there warranties are good and the salesmen are good.
The only problem is the salesmen don't tell the truth, and the warranty is only good if you can get in touch with someone about it. They apparently hire the lowest bidder, they leave a huge mess and now less than 6 months later our roof leaks.
The warranty covers the leaky roof, but no one will return my calls to fix it, and really should a new roof that has never even seen a winter start leaking. That speaks towards the workmanship you will get if you hire the Home Depot.
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HomeDepot_Care on 09/08/2011:
Sorry about your roof. We would be happy to help. Email your phone#/contact info to email@example.com and we can arrange to have you contacted by someone.
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Roof Ripoff
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I had my roof installed by Home Depot in 2007. The sales person at Home Depot offered me several packages to choose from and I selected the higher priced package because it came with a 'Lifetime Peace of Mind' guarantee. The sales Rep also guaranteed if there were any damages inside my home due to any leaks from their roof, that they were fully insured and would be responsible. The roof began leaking in 2008, again Sept 2009. They came to 'fix' these leaks. In April 2010 the leaks worsened causing a great deal of damage to my home. Home Depot sent their 'field team' to investigate the issue, and this is when they discovered the installation was done incorrectly. Their installers used aluminum and copper around the skylights causing a chemical reaction, deteriorating the frames of the skylights, causing $86,000 of damages. It has been 3 months of dealing with Home Depots insurance company, Sedgwick, who avoided my calls, and my attorney's calls. When finally getting them on the phone, they claimed they lost the estimate provided by both a private adjuster, and my General Contractor. Meanwhile HD adjuster never provided any estimate. A total run around and stall tactic.
Now they cliam the issue is being investigated, this was the last we heard from Sedgwick and that was November 18th. No Investigator has contacted us and it has been 4 weeks.
Though Home Depot admitted their faulty installation caused these damages, their insurance company refuses to be cooperative, and clearly dragging out my claim, making a bad situation severe. Home Depots 'lifetime Peace of Mind guarantee" is an absolute joke. After three years they are ignoring my phone calls. I am left with a 27,000 roof that leaks, and a house that is inhabitable. It has been a homeowners NIGHTMARE.
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trmn8r on 12/15/2010:
Copper + Aluminum = GALVANIC ACTION = DISASTER.
Must be an expensive home. Personally, I wouldn't use a home center to subcontract a roofing job, remodel, etc. I did for carpeting once, because we were selling the house.
I'm sorry this happened to you. It sounds like HD hired Homer Simpson to do the job. That is a REALLY IGNORANT mistake, and calls into question what they may have screwed up elsewhere. Good luck!
FlShopper on 12/15/2010:
When our roof took a beating during the hurricane season of 2004, I got several estimates for roof repair. Home Depot's estimate was more than twice what everyone else asked for. I let the HD rep give me his schpiel, escorted him to my front door, and never saw him again. I love Home Depot, but I wouldn't leave jobs like this to them. I hope that you are able to get some satisfaction out of this whole fiasco.
THD_Daniel on 12/22/2010:
Hello, I'm Steph with Home Depot Customer Care. I am very sorry to hear the problems you've had with resolving your roofing issues. Will you email your contact information? I'd like to help.
Steph (firstname.lastname@example.com)
doglovingreviewer on 01/16/2011:
Sounds like it's time to go the small claims route. If HD's insurance people won't talk to you, they don't want to help you. Take them to small claims for the cost of the roof and court fees. They need a wakeup call, so GIVE IT TO THEM! Good luck.
Obsfucation on 01/16/2011:
$84,000 is around twelve times too much of a claim for small claims court. OP needs a good lawyer.
Skye on 01/16/2011:
This is absolutely NOT a small claims case. This is beyond and way past that court.
Just as Obsfucation says, the op needs a GOOD lawyer.
trmn8r on 01/16/2011:
I'd imagine Steph at HD customer care has a firm grip on this by now. I can see all kinds of things in my head.
doglovingreviewer on 01/16/2011:
If Steph doesn't resolve this, I think OP needs to file a real lawsuit against Home Depot. Previous posters are right, $84,000 is too high for small claims, but I think OP should still seek reimbursement.
ok4now on 01/16/2011:
WOW!! Your first mistake was letting H.D. do the roofing job. You had to know that they would use sub-contractors who are not professional roofers. Sounds like H.D. is now stalling with excuses not wanting to fess up to this job gone wrong. Time for you to Lawyer-Up because they surely will fail to Pay-up.
doglovingreviewer on 01/17/2011:
If OP gets a lawyer, Home Depot should cover the cost. After all, it was their mistake that caused OP to hire a lawyer.
stuartflorida on 01/26/2011:
That's bad.
I am not really sure if the post from HD here with emails really do that much other than make it look like someone is checking into it so you don't go on and make a youtube video, and post on ripoff report, and other builder sites.
You need to go to your attorney general and file a complaint, HD has a duty to act as you have a contract with them and they are not living up to it.
I am sure you will see some movement from them if you go that route.
If you want to be noticed and your not getting a resolution, break out the guns.
Its hard times now in construction, and for homeowners as well. You would think HD would not want all the bad publicity.
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Beware of Bad Roofing
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WASHINGTON -- We recently had a new - high quality roof installed on our house. We were promised that a Project Manager would come and review the work that was being done - and then get up on our roof to inspect it to make sure it was installed correctly! That never happened!
We recently had some rain (yes - we live in WA State!). My husband found that water was running down onto our furnace coming our of a vent. I immediately called the Home Depot Store in our area to let them know our roof was leaking. They found a Installation Manager who would come out and take a look. When he arrived - he looked up from the street and told us that the flashing was too small. He then said that he would have someone come out the next day to fix it - that he was too old to get up on the roof.
Well, the next day came and went - no roofer. WE called him back and he told us that the roofer had to go to a town about 45 minutes away to pick up the parts needed to fix this. Then - it was another few days before he showed up - only to come when no one was home - no call to let us know he was coming. He left a note - that was found in our bushes stating that he was there - and that he had fixed the problem! When my husband got home that day - he immediately could tell that nothing had been done! Same flashing - same problem!
Fast forward 2 weeks later - still no repair - even though we have been called - apologized to - and yet - NOTHING has been done! Today a couple roofers came out when I was home alone - stated that we didn't need a smaller flashing - that he screwed the pipe in tight - and put some sealer on the joints! When my husband got home - he was livid!! They had put black tar all over the flashing - and told me it was fixed! What a joke!!
We called the store manager - and he wasn't in! We talked to the Asst. Manager and he told us basically he could send them an e-mail - WE could do that! He told us - he can't "make them" come out if they don't want to!
We are so upset - and have made the decision to take our business elsewhere!
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Hi this is Michael from Home Depot Customer Care. I'm so sorry about your experience with us. I would like to offer my help. Feel free to email me at firstname.lastname@example.com so I may look into this for you.
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Roofing & Gutter Installation By Home Depot Expensive And Faulty
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MEDFORD, MARYLAND -- When I realized my roof needed to be repaired, I had several estimates, including Home Depot. Home Depot was the most expensive but they were willing to start within a week and showed up on time to give the estimate. The estimate seemed comprehensive and detailed. The installers showed up on time and cleaned up the majority of the debris. They did leave some leftover wood and shingles hidden behind the garage. They replaced my wooden gutter with new aluminum. When I asked them about the new gutters being larger than the wood ones, they said there was no problem. To my dismay, they cut off all the rafter tails (an architectural element of my historic Craftsman home).
Several months later, after a big rainstorm, the roof leaked and a big hole appeared in my living room leaking water. To make a long story shorter, there have been repeated leaks in the same spot. The installer has returned for the 5th time, and "discovered" that some areas of the roof were not shingled. Additional leaks and disintegration of interior walls have occurred. I requested that the installer repair the plaster ceiling. After I requested him to re-plaster the ceiling the installer's solution was to put drywall tape & mud on the cracks and paint. Now I have a network of 6 inch seams and bumps. They did not even sand the joint compound. In the meantime, the roof was not angled properly and now drains off the end of each roof down a remaining rafter tail which is now rotted. I asked for flashing to be installed to redirect the water. After the 4th request, drip edge was inserted under the shingles, which partially fixes the problem but is unsightly.
The process of making a claim is also very convoluted - first call GAF and get a claim number, they call Home Depot and you get another claim number for the problems with installation. If there is resulting damage, you get another claim number and customer service person to remedy the damage. 2 years after installation, I now have a damaged ceiling in the living room, the bedroom, new damage in the dining room, and several rotted rafter tails. Home Depot does not feel they are liable to fix the wet wood in the attic or replace the rotted wood.
My advice is Home Depot is overpriced and their installers are not professional. During one repair session, I found the installers turning over boxes and emptying donation plastic bags to use for their trash.
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grandma005 on 08/18/2008:
You need to file a small claims against Home Depot. That will get their attention. They are not going to do anything for you.
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Mark Prior reflects 10 years after 'The Bartman Game'
BY PATRICK FINLEY Staff Reporter October 11, 2013 11:51PM
CHICAGO - OCTOBER 3: Starting pitcher Mark Prior of the Chicago Cubs celebrates the last out against the Atlanta Braves during game three of the National League Division Series October 3, 2003 at Wrigley Field in Chicago, Illinois. The Cubs defeated the Braves 3-1.(Photo by Brian Bahr/Getty Images)
Injuries derailed his career, but former Cubs right-hander Mark Prior has tried comebacks with the Padres (counterclockwise from
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He was naïve in 2003, he says now, to the complexity of Cubs history, the generations of hopes and frustrations heaped upon those who wore the same pinstriped jersey as his No. 22.
It was probably to his benefit.
After the 2003 All-Star break — the Cubs' most meaningful second half since, when, 1945? — he allowed 1.5 runs per game. Fans stopped him, knowing his previous performances like their children's birthdates.
It was so different than how he grew up, paying $6 to sit in a nearly empty, converted football stadium and watch a franchise whose top commodities were Tony Gwynn and a chicken mascot. Here, it was invigorating to capture the city's imagination. But it was impossible to take that to work with him.
It stayed that way after he packed up and went home to San Diego at the end of the 2003 season.
And it stayed with him 2,000 miles from Chicago that Halloween, when Mark Prior looked around the room and saw three men dressed up like Steve Bartman.
Won't blame Bartman
This isn't about the fan who caught the ball or, really, about the man who threw the pitch.
It's about the season, which ended 10 years ago this week, that was supposed to be the first of many playoff berths that would put the Cubs' woeful history squarely in the rear-view mirror.
''We planted a seed to where it was a cultural shift,'' Prior said from San Diego, where he lives with his wife and three children. ''Let's not just celebrate one good team and go on our way every year. We gave them a taste of what it could be like.''
The Cubs' five-game playoff-like series came early in 2003 — on Labor Day. The team hosted a four-day series against the Cardinals. At 69-66, the Cubs trailed the first-place Cardinals by 2½ games and the second-place Astros by 1½ in the National League Central.
''You go in there and you flop, you know your season's pretty well done,'' Prior said. ''It was, 'We can't beat the Cardinals, we can't beat the Cardinals,' and we were able to do it.''
Prior pitched eight scoreless innings after a 4-hour, 17-minute rain delay to win the first game. The Cubs split a doubleheader the next day, won the fourth and fifth games by one run each and ended the series a half-game behind the Astros. They took 19 of 27 games in September to win the division.
''We kept building momentum,'' Prior said. ''I didn't at the time realize what all this was meaning. My main concern was trying to get to the playoffs.''
He was dominant there, too, earning a complete-game victory against the Braves in the NL Division Series and another against the Marlins in the NL Championship Series. He allowed five runs (three earned) in Game 6 of the NLCS, all after the Bartman incident in the eighth inning.
Manager Dusty Baker has been criticized for not visiting the mound after the Bartman play to calm his usually focused pitcher, but he now says he called out to Prior after contesting the umpire's ruling of no fan interference. Prior insisted he was fine, and Baker believed him.
Pitch No. 114 was on the way — the exact number Prior had averaged during his starts that season.
Prior maintained left fielder Moises Alou would have caught the ball were it not for Bartman, but he is hesitant to cast blame on the play or the fan. Besides, Prior said, he was confident the Cubs would win Game 7 and do well in 2004 — and beyond. Most everyone connected to the Cubs — fans, players, management — held the same belief.
''Things might have turned out differently if we'd won that game and gone to the World Series, and I still thought we had a chance with [Kerry Wood] going the next night,'' Baker said. ''But who knows? Sometimes things just aren't meant to be.''
Disappointment in 2004
That's the cruel part of all of this. Despite the sour 2003 finish, even the most spooked Cubs fan had hope.
From 1969 to 2002, the Cubs finished last in their division eight times and second-to-last eight more. They had followed their three previous postseason appearances — in 1984, 1989 and 1998 — with losing seasons.
The Cubs lost 95 games in 2002. But by the end of 2003, they were armed with the 23-year-old Prior, who finished third in Cy Young voting, the 26-year-old Wood and 22-year-old Carlos Zambrano.
''In 2004, we came in and we were expected to win it all,'' Prior said. ''That's a pretty big shift in expectations and thought process. . . . I think everybody was confident that, 'If we stay healthy, we'll be good.' It doesn't cross your mind that you'll be unhealthy.''
The Cubs won 89 games — one more than they did in 2003 — but missed the postseason.
''Had we stayed healthy, things would have been different,'' said Prior, who didn't pitch until June because of an Achilles tendon injury. ''Would we have won a championship? You can't say that.''
Failed comebacks
The 2005 Cubs posted a losing record. Prior had two elbow injuries, one suffered on a comebacker off the bat of the Rockies' Brad Hawpe. Wood made three trips to the disabled list one year after missing two months with a strained triceps.
The Cubs won 66 games in 2006 but made the playoffs the next two seasons. Prior missed most of 2006 and all of 2007 with shoulder problems and has tried unsuccessful minor-league comebacks since with the Padres, Rangers, Yankees, Red Sox and, last season, Baker's Reds.
Some days, he wakes up wanting to throw his first big-league pitch since 2006. Others, he considers coaching or working on TV.
He calls himself a Cubs fan and appreciates 2003, when he and his teammates changed the city's expectations — albeit temporarily.
''Looking back with more understanding,'' he said, ''it was pretty cool.''


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On 2002-05-07 20:08, Draamal wrote:
I have to say that I love playing Champions. Making characters however is another story, same story with trying to teach new players how to play.
I have no doubt that M&M won't have either of these problems, but (it's a big one) how well is it going to match up to Champions as far as customization and balance?
On 2002-05-23 01:04, arcady wrote:
Is it going to have something like Champions' Variable Power Point Pool, BESM's Dynamic Sorcery, or Silver AGe Sentinels' Dynamic Power?
On 2002-04-18 16:26, Steve Kenson wrote:
For that matter, what sort of superhero campaign setting(s) and styles do you prefer?
On 2002-05-23 16:34, johnnype wrote:
Freedom City sounds great. What I'm looking however, is something more along the lines of The Authority and Planetary. Both of these sound like they might be a problem however given their power levels.
On 2002-05-29 15:09, quindia wrote:
So when will start to see actual "preview" material?
On 2002-05-30 17:30, Draamal wrote:
Beat me to it. I don't suppose you are still looking for playtesters, are you? I finally have a group that would like to try...
In fact, I think the largest part of the playtest might even be drawing to a close, but Steve and Chris are more in the loop on the very specific details.
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Thanks for the update, I understand that you get busy, and was really just curious how the project was coming.
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I'm glad to hear about how well M&M is shaping up, any chance there will be sneak peeks at Gen Con this year?
Kudos, and here's hoping it's everything I think it will be.
On 2002-07-03 04:31, Squirrel Nutkin wrote:
If you think it's gonna be the best superhero RPG you've ever seen, then you won't be disappointed. Heck, I playtested M&M and I still wanna play in one of the demos at Origins.
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