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Originally Posted by Kahmal
6% avoidance for 10 seconds every 30 seconds is the same as 12% avoidance for 10 seconds every 60 (well it is over a longer boss fight when you average it out)
can't help but notice that the paladin 4set is practically identical to the T10 4set bonus (just with divine protection instead of divine plea).
The point of DP is to mitigate incoming damage, not necessarily melee damage. So parry boost is, at best, sometimes not stupid. This bonus is as useless as all the other pally bonuses I've seen. This is why I'm not upset about missing the set bonuses by wearing the T11 DPS legs.
The tank set is pretty retarded. You want to use SB to utilize mastery especially when HtL is active. But by increasing parry with SB you want to use SB to increase SB's block value which is kinda odd. You will decrease your overall parry to stay in balance with dodge which decreases value of mastery because HtL uptime over a whole SB will be way lower. ---> GG no brain Devs
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Originally Posted by Kahmal
While I think that more parry on click is nice, I'm not happy with the warrior bonus.
SB already does so much. It has a threat component, is already useful against melee dmg spikes and is our only spell dmg CD. 4.1 introduces SB to be used for magic spikes. The timing for the magic reduction is quite strict since it has a much shorter window. So if you need the magic reduction you cannot use SB to cover both a melee spike followed by a magic spike (it's possible with for example Divine Protection). It's hard to decide which is the best moment for SB already. To add another melee CD to it does not help.
Another point is that while SB is up, it's the time where we need additional parry the least. We already are unhitabel. Sure, parry is better than block when we are unhitable. But if you look closer those 6% will push us into unhitable anyway, at least if they don't change the numbers we need too much. So all the original element of SB - which is actually the higher chance to block - does not kick in. Instead we will see 6% higher chances to get a crit block when we block (which is not the same).
And even while 6% every 30s looks the same as 12% every 60s, it's not. It only would be if the incoming dmg does not change. But that's not the case. There are spikes. If you get few high spikes, the 12% every 60s is much better, because you can cover all important parts of the encounter by your increased parry chance. You can also cover those moments with the 30s CD, but only get 6% for each occurrence. Sure you can cover other parts of the encounter, too, but as long as there is no other spike to cover, it does not help you as much as if you could cover the big spike. On the other hand something that occurs every 30s in most cases is less dangerous than stuff that occurs on a 1m or higher CD. So while you can cover those encounter elements better with the shorter CD, it's less helpful, since well it's less dangerous to begin with.
I doubt that anybody would value the set bonus CDs the same as 2% higher parry all the time - which would be the same if you even it out.
@Disruptor: higher parry favors more mastery (at least until hit-cap) and higher mastery favors more parry. So it's nice that it give more parry instead of more dodge to begin with. And since the set bonus gives a fixed percentage you even don't have to think about diminishing returns.
To your last comment: Avoidance is better than mitigation when we get to the "hard caps".
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how does it sacrafice mitigation?
lets assume our average warrior joe has 15% parry, 15%dodge, 5% chance to be missed, and 50% block (and so 30% chance to critically block) on average his block will be stopping 39% of the damage
with SB active he has 15% parry, 15%dodge, 5% chance to be missed, and 75% block, and since this puts him over 100% block +avoidance the extra block is turned into crit block (so he now has a 40% chance fro his blocks to be critical), so his Block now stops 42% of the damage
with the new 4pc and shield block active he now has 27% parry, 15%dodge, 5% chance to be missed, and 75% block, and since this puts him over 100% block +avoidance the extra block is turned into crit block (so he now has a 62% chance fro his blocks to be critical), so his Block now stops 48.6% of the damage.
but becuase his Parry chance is also higher, his HtL time is also higher. Joe's 4pc tier12 nigh doubles his chance to proc it, which can only have a positive effect on its uptime.
Last edited by Tengenstein; 05-05-2011 at 04:37 AM.
The psychology behind that is not logical. SB is a CD to increase the value of mitigation. HtL utilizes that mitigation. But the 4pc wants you to use SB to make SB more worth. It will be a matter of RNG if HtL procs within SB or not. If you advance into T12 with the same relation of dodge and parry you will want to lower parry to balance DRs. This explains my statement of decreasing the value of mitigation. And those hard caps won't be easy reachable. Mastery hardcap due to gear will happen in T13-T14. I will def. skip 4PC to use better itemized slots since I am sure they screwed gear design again.
Tengenstein is right to say we got the best out of the tank bonus. But it is still hardly anything worth. HtL increases parry value by somewhere around 5-10%? and warriors do have the lowest rating of avoidance.
Last edited by Disruptor; 05-05-2011 at 04:30 AM.
Looking across the various tanking classes, I don't like any of the bonuses. Best is probably DKs DRW as there at least it's an avoidance cooldown that gets more avoidance. For warriors, 6% parry is just a single prayer to the RNG god, but it's on a kitchen sink defensive / rotational cooldown. Druids/paladins add a bit of avoidance to a flat damage reducing cooldown. Point being that those cooldowns are often timed for magic bursts, not physical damage, so layering a small avoidance on top seems nonsensical.
Leaving the theory aside, they are also pretty damned BORING for 4pc set bonuses. Probably just a cue to go offset.
Last edited by swelt; 05-05-2011 at 05:04 AM.
DR affects parry chance form ratings. Not parry chance from buffs.
you will still want probabyl 2% more parry than dodge, the 4 piece is effectively providing crit block aswell as parry, warriors have the same if not better avoidance than other classes, stop complaining.
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Its 6% parry when we least need it. If we get to unhittable next tier we'll be around 75% crit block during shieldblock not counting HtL. If it activates at the same time as shieldblock we won't get the 6% extra crit block out of it i think. Averages out a bit less then 1% damage reduction, not so exciting...
The only redeeming quality i can see is that there is a bigger chance on HtL procs that can carry over a bit after shieldblock. Now maybe if the boss gets enraged for 10 secs every 30 secs.
Kind of self defeating to use T11 gear set for a T12 bonus. But just keep in mind that shield block gets better with more gear, so these numbers will simply improve.
no Shield Block
4.4% miss
16% parry
12% dodge
56% block (41% crit block w/50% avg htl)
average damage reduction = 56.88% reduction
Shield Block is typically:
4.4% miss
16% parry
12% dodge
67.6% block (54.4% crit block w/50% avg htl) (13.4% overflow)
average damage reduction of 64.76%
4 piece Shield Block: (if you don't get the critical block)
4.4% miss
22% parry
12% dodge
61.6% block (54.4% crit block w/50% avg htl) (13.4% overflow (sort of))
average damage reduction of 67.88%
4 piece Shield Block: (if you get the critical block)
4.4% miss
22% parry
12% dodge
61.6% block (60.4% crit block w/50% avg htl) (19.4% overflow)
average damage reduction of 69.02%
Shield Block: 18.27% damage reduction
4 set Shield Block: 25.51% damage reduction (if you don't get the crit block)
4 set Shield Block: 28.15% damage reduction (if you get the crit block)
This makes shield block 40% better than it currently is (or 54% if you get the 6% critical block)
If 4 set gave:
Shield Wall now reduces 40% more damage would you be likely to complain? It seems pretty similar to 50% longer duration of the T11 set bonus.
Updated to include the values assuming you get 6% critical block, and assuming you don't.
Last edited by Booi; 05-05-2011 at 07:16 AM.
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Booi I have no idea how they will implement it but i doubt it will add 6% crit block as well. Shieldblock only checks once when its used how much crit blocks it gives, but we can hope
To clarify, shieldblock isn't dynamic as far as i know it only checks your avoidance ratings once at the start. Kinda hard to test this but the buff icon that displays the critical block increase at least doesn't update. I'm afraid that with the 4 piece it will go like use shieldblock>check avoidance ratings>add 25% block + x% crit block+6% parry.
Last edited by Bigbad; 05-05-2011 at 08:58 AM.
Edit: unless, as I think you may be saying, the parry is given after the crit block from Shield Block is calculated. Seems like that would be a really crappy way to set this up though. Don't know why the parry wouldn't be put in the calculation first.
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PEARLAND, TEXAS -- My husband and I visited this location to purchase my 13 yr old his first shotgun on a Saturday evening. We have him signed up for a gun safety camp so we were needing to purchase one within the next couple of weeks. We were asked if our current address was on our driver's license and unfortunately it was not (we had just moved 6 months ago- I know, I put it off. My bad). The salesman told us to update our address and bring the print out in as proof and we would be able to purchase the shotgun.
Today, just two days later, I went to the DMV to update my address. The nice person at the front desk told me that the wait was almost two hours but since my license wasn't expired and all I needed was to update my address, I could do that online. Awesome!! So I did just that and was on my way to Bass Pro Shops feeling quite good.
When I arrived there were two workers, three people waiting, and they were serving number 73 (I guess a few had given up). I was 79- not bad right? Wrong.
After 45 minutes of waiting at a gun counter (not easy for a woman who is four months pregnant and close to lunch time, lol) I was finally helped by an obviously exasperated employee. I explained my situation about the address, handed him the printout as well as my license and he retrieved the shotgun that was being held for me. We filled out paperwork, he would go the back for 5-10 mins, I completed an online questionnaire, he would go to the back for 5-10 minutes again, then he said he had to make a phone call and would be right back.
He returned with my license and printout, looked me square in the face and said, "I don't know how to tell you this but it's our company policy to only accept printouts from the DMV and not ones that are done online. If you would have gotten this from the DMV I could accept it". So after ONE HOUR AND FORTY FIVE MINUTES of standing around and signing paperwork stating that I was purchasing a firearm, I had to leave with nothing. I tried to complain to a manager but was left to wait at Customer Service for 15 minutes before deciding I would never set foot in a Bass Pro Shop again.
Why the anger? Surprisingly it's not because they wouldn't break company policy for me (I understand it- kind of). I'm hacked off and never going back for a couple of reasons:
1) It took 45 minutes for someone to even ask me what I needed help with. No excuse
2) The salesman had my information in his hands for one hour. ONE HOUR!! If he would have told me when I gave it to him that it had to be a copy issued from the DMV I would have been disappointed but not enraged. All the hoop jumping on my part was only rewarded with an "I don't know how to tell you this...". Poor training is an understatement.
3) When I tried to point out this ridiculous charade to the store's manager, I was just left to wait. Again. Before I left I asked the girl at the Customer Service counter if they had a business card for the corporate office she told me to call 1 800 BASS PRO. Really? Ugh.
I am partially thankful for this complete abuse of my time- I will be going to an independent gun seller that knows enough about their product and policy to not waste my time. Shame on you Bass Pro for not caring enough. You just lost a customer.
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leet60 on 12/04/2012:
I don't fault the business for this incident. ID requirements for purchasing a firearm are determined by state and federal laws. "Straw purchases" (I.e. the practice of purchasing a firearm for someone else not legally able to do so) have been very prevalent, especially in border states. The business was only working to protect itself legally in this instance.
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I have always loved my experiences at Bass Pro Shop and wished they had one close to where I live.
I enjoyed the way the review was written, however. In a very well written format explained that the frustration was not breaking policy, but that the employees involved should have know enough about the policy to have caught the issue up front.
On a side note, I support an amendment to overturn the second amendments 'Right to bear arms.' Flower Power! ;-)
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I recently received a gift card for Bass Pro Shops, which is perfect for me because I recently bought a boat and could use a lot if accessories for it. There are no Bass Pro Shops near me so I decided to use it online. Well, I also received a postcard from them for my birthday stating I will receive $20 off any order over $100 placed online or through their catalog. The card had a coupon code to redeem for the $20 off or it said to go to www.basspro.com/XXXXXX (where XXXXXX was the coupon code).
So I proceed to place quite a few things in my cart (around 25, lots of lures, fishing line, etc) and go to checkout. Well, there is not place to enter the coupon code at checkout. So I look all around, go back to my cart, and check the FAQ section-there is no mention of how to use a coupon code. At this point, I type in the web address shown with the code and it takes me to a page that says free shipping on orders over $50-so I click on it and log in and bring up my cart with the items in it. The order form does not show the $20 off nor free shipping, they are still charging me $15 for shipping.
Frustrated, I contact them via live chat and ask how I use the coupon. The CS response to me was there is no way to use the coupon online other than entering the web address and clicking on the current offer. When I told her the web address says free shipping but my card says $20 off, she stated that the website was mistaken and the offer should be $20 off and as long as I start my order on that site, the $20 will be taken off of my order. It would not be reflected in the total invoice at the end but that I should trust them to charge me the correct price when it goes to ship.
I told her this was not acceptable to me, how can they present on invoice for a total that I authorize them to charge me, only to have them charge me a different price later (even if in this case the price is less, it wasn't what I agreed to). She said my only other option rather than trust them to get it right after the fact was to call an operator and place the orer over the phone. I asked her if she could just place the order for me, with the discount applied (since she had it up in front of her) and she said no. I would need to call it in and read each item and part number to the operator, that was my only other choice. I told her no, I was going with I thought was my best choice-I would be purchasing the items elsewhere.
Why would Bass Pro Shops send me a coupon code that is not redeemable on their site? And they expect me to trust they will get the offer right after I place my order when they can't even keep their site up to date with what offers they have available? Not to mention, the rude and unhelpful tone the CS rep had with me, if they don't want my business I'm happy to take it elsewhere.
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Anonymous on 08/11/2008:
There is indeed a place to enter the code. On the left center of the PAYMENT page there is a checkbox "Redeem Bass Pro Shops® Gift Card".
chemman on 08/11/2008:
Yes, you can redeem a gift card. I have no issue redeeming the gift card. It is the coupon code that they sent me for my birthday that can't be redeemed. I even tried entering the code into the gift card section, but it said not a valid gift card. You know how most sites checkout page have a section for coupon codes/promo codes, that what I was sent-it reads something like "AA33B6" and that's it.
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Sorry I confused gift card and coupon code. I'd say it is worth the $20 to call them and read off the item numbers.
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PB-I think in most cases it would be worth my $20 to call them and place the order, but in this case I am not shopping with them based on the principle of the issue. They send out coupon codes with instructions for using them which are not correct. Then when I contact them and ask them how to use the coupon they sent me, the CS was rude to me and told me what my "only option" was in this case. And that I should "trust them" to get the pricing right after I placed my order with them. I guess I'm one of those rare consumers, I'd gladly pay $20 more to a company that is willing to provide me with helpful customer service.
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I had the same coupon and problem when checking out.
the link I was supposed to use had a "code" in it but at checkout the coupon was not subtracted.
I called and they had me put the coupon in the "special messages" comment box. basically its a scam and many people won't notice until its too late. the link or coupon should work, period. no funny stuff.
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BOSSIER CITY, LOUISIANA -- May 24, 2013, I was in the Bossier City, Louisiana Bass Pro Shop attempting to purchase some 5.56 Winchester ammo. The store only had three boxes left and they were in the glass show case next to an AR 15 rifle with an Eotech holographic sight and magnifier and a bi-pod attached to the weapon. I asked the clerk behind the counter how much it was for a box of the 5.56 ammo and he stated $12 dollars and change (don't remember the exact amount). I informed the clerk that I would like to purchase all three boxes, to which he replied, "you can't they go with the weapon".
I was confused and asked for clarity, he then stated that if I wanted the ammo I had to purchase the weapon (the price of the weapon was well over $2,000.00 dollars). He further stated that those were the last three boxes of 5.56 ammo they had so, if I wanted them I would had to purchase the weapon to get them. I then asked, "So if I purchase the weapon the rounds come with it?", to which he stated no, you still have to pay for the rounds also. I then asked "What if I purchase the weapon but don't want to purchase the ammo?", he did not have a response for that.
I then showed him a box of .45 Cal ammo I had in my shopping cart that I took off the shelf, I informed him that this was the last box of .45 Cal ammo they had left on the shelves and asked him "Are you saying that I have to purchase a .45 Cal weapon along with this ammo or you will not allow me to purchase this .45 Cal ammo?", to which he replied "No". At that point I was frustrated and did not want to escalate the situation; I could see that the clerk was enjoying the fact that he was denying me the right to purchase the ammo, so I simply departed the store.
Unless I am missing something, Bass Pro Shop is a store, they sell merchandise, this merchandise had a price tag associated with it, I or any other customer should have the right to purchase that product, this is the whole principal behind a merchandise store. If the store had a packaged deal with the ammo and the weapon together I would have been fine with that but it wasn't a packaged deal, as the ammo did not come with the weapon, you still had to purchase it separately, the package was the weapon, the sights and the bipod. Maybe the young clerk was miss informed, maybe he was holding that ammo for a friend to purchase, or maybe he just did not like me and decided that I was not going to get that ammo. I was calm and courteous throughout the attempted transaction, either way it is wrong, plain and simple.
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FoDaddy19 on 05/25/2013:
5.56 is getting hard to find these days. Sounds like Bass Pro Shops was doing a combo deal with the weapon, and the ammo was bundled with the weapon. It's their merchandise they can sell it however they want to. My local firearm retailer only allows on one box of .223 ammo per customer currently, and most of the time they are sold out anyway. 7.62mm is a little easier to come by around here.
Bill on 05/25/2013:
Since ammo is so tight now they probably thought it was a way to entice whoever wanted to buy the AR-15. Would be weird to purchase an AR-15 but not be able to find any ammo for it.
Since AR-15s are about double what they were last year they should throw the ammo in with the purchase.
If it were me selling I would of put the ammo away and offered it to whoever purchased the rifle.
This is Obama's backdoor approach to gun control. Have homeland security buy up all the available ammo.
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AUBURN HILLS, MICHIGAN -- First, I've never had good luck at any time going there. Last weekend was the 3rd strike.
The first bad time:
I am a gun collector, I collect vintage rifles and hand guns. I am not a gun nut, but a true collector. I have an old ww1 hand gun, in. 32. Its a semi-hard to find round, and lower power (but in ww1 was the standard). So, I ask the guy behind the counter, do you have. 32. He gives me this long song and dance, why I need to buy a new gun. I say, I collect guns for historical value, and I can't afford that one right now." He says, "Well then you know nothing about guns, and I can't sell you any ammo, please leave the counter." He starts to talk to the next guy. I tell him where to get off, and I am actually removed from the store, physically.
The second Bad time:
Every one gets a second chance, so I went back. To use their range. They have an indoor range. So I get my rifle checked in, the check my ammo. Then they say I can't have this because its army surplus. I say, "so?" they then say they have to keep it, per Michigan law." I said, I don't think so. I reach over the counter to get my ammo can back. And they physically push be back, and threaten to keep my rifle too.
I talk to the manager, and 2 hours later, they loose my ammo. I get "loud" and they remove me again.
Third time: last weekend.
There was an add they ad for vintage rifles. Good price too. I was willing to deal with the B. S. for the sale. So not only did they not have it. they called me stupid, for not seeing it was only at select stores. They told me, I was obviously too stupid to pay attention to detail, and would not sell it to me anyway.... and, you (me) was taking up my (his) time." I went to the manager. He said, I agree with Ross, get out of my store!" Now, that's for the Great Lakes Mall store. In Auburn Hills, Michigan. Go to Dunham's... they really are better all ways around!! Also, they have a better selection of ammo too!! I am a major fan of Dunnham's!
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jktshff1 on 02/03/2010:
I, as a responsible collector of firearms, ain't going to start on this one.
bunnyhead on 02/03/2010:
Sounds like the other side of the story is missing on this one. I can't imagine a store clerk or manager talking to a customer like that for no reason. I also cannot see why someone would have to be physically removed from a store if they were not acting badly.
There is probably a lot left out of this story. I would love to know what the OP said to the clerk and manager to get the responses that he got.
Anonymous on 02/03/2010:
agreed. As far as them trying to grab your gun, obviously you brought in an illegal weapon, as far as they were concerned. My biggest question is.....if are having this much of a problem and going through so much trouble with these people, WHY do you keep going back? If I had an altercation with an associate at a store, I would be sure to never go back to that store again.
Anonymous on 02/03/2010:
Well as to number 2, it probably is illegal for anyone to have army ammo not in military and not have the proper permission. That is why it was confiscated as per Michigan state law. Where did you get it? Here in Tn, at Ft Campbell you can not remove ammo from the base. Period.
You are lucky you are not on someone's watch list.
Ytropious on 02/03/2010:
The fact that you were removed from the store 3 times tells me you were far from a perfect angel. I would bet you anything they never used the word "stupid" to describe you.
PepperElf on 02/03/2010:
"I reach over the counter to get my ammo can back."
Rule #1 in any range... don't reach for anything they tell you not to touch.
It's a gun range, they WILL physically push you.
I would suggest reviewing local laws before proceeding.
Hell even Gunny R. Lee Ermey advocates not breaking the law when it comes to firearms. And he hates some of the laws in California (I.e. the same application before EVERY gun purchase, even if you have a giant collection already, and only one per month)... but he states to obey the laws.
jktshff1 on 02/04/2010:
Thank you all, couldn't have put it better.
PepperElf on 02/04/2010:
a marine I used to talk to told me how he was working the armory at a range when an officer tried to turn his firearm in... MUZZLE FIRST. He grabbed the man's wrist and disarmed him hard and fast - might have even broken some bones.
But hey the officer was being an idiot.
You mess around on a gun range and, well that's what happens to you. It's not the place to be throwing an ego around. The ONLY ego allowed is that of the Range Master.
PepperElf on 02/04/2010:
maybe console gaming with an FPS?
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FLORIDA -- I'll make this short. Went to Bass pro shop to buy a rifle. I asked the associate behind the counter to hand me the one I wanted to buy. I asked him could he take off the trigger guard because I wanted to see how it felt.( I had heard this particular rifle had a good trigger, wanted to find out myself) He looked at me and said no I value my life. What? I said what are you talking about? He said you could put a round in the chamber I value my life. This kind of rubbed me the wrong way, so I asked him could I speak to a manager. He rudely said I am the manager. I said can I speak to someone over you. This must have enraged him because he said, sir I am not taking that trigger guard off for you as a matter of fact give me that rifle cause you are making me feel uncomfortable. I could not believe what I was hearing and I looked at my wife in disbelief. He then turned around and told me that when he is behind that counter that he is in charge and I will listen to what he is saying! I was at a lost for words. Then as I tried to put some words together he said you need to leave the store and my wife is pulling on my arm to walk away because I think she thought I would loose my cool. But I never did. I walked down stairs and talked to the store manager. I explained to him what happened and he apologized and offered a gift card. I declined and took my number down and told me he would call me.
I never received a phone call. I have been in the military for over 12 years, been deployed all over the world in time of war and peace. Never have I been treated with so much disrespect. I must say I hope I never feel a need to go to another Bass pro shop again. Oh the manager told me that even if your buying a gun they will not take the trigger lock off. What is America coming too. thanks for listening.
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goduke on 12/17/2009:
What more did you want the store manager to do?
Anonymous on 12/17/2009:
You can't be too careful. I wouldn't have removed the trigger guard either. I value my life.
jktshff1 on 12/17/2009:
I've been handling weapons of various types since I was 7 and let's just say I'm over 60.
The guy behind the counter would not know that.
I would suggest you go to a local gun shop, they are usually better prepared to handle requests like that.
andbran on 12/17/2009:
considering how things are nowadays why were you surprised when he said no?didn't you hear about the teenage girl that shot a 9 year old for the fun of it?
goduke on 12/17/2009:
I think the OP has a very valid concern that the gun dept. guy didn't say "our policy is that we don't remove the trigger guard", but instead suggested that he thought that removing the trigger guard would be dangerous with this one customer -- suggesting the customer was shady or criminal. Very, very different conversations.
Still...it was brought up to the store manager, who apologized, offered a gift card as part of the apology, and apparently explained it was a policy not to remove the trigger guard. I don't think you can really expect more.
Anonymous on 12/17/2009:
In the state of TN all firearms must either have a trigger guard or a lock on them. The lock or guard can not be removed until the firearm has been sold and is on it's way out of the store. You are given the lock and the key with your sale.
As for your military record, how the hell does anyone know this? How do you think anyone is going to know you aren't going to shoot someone?
Even if the state does not have a l;aw requiring this safety, you should not have argued with the employee about it. I can't stand when someone does this. You are unreasonable and I would have called the police and had you arrested. The employee did the right thing if you made him uncomfortable. Sometimes this practice DOES save lives you know.
Mrs. V on 12/17/2009:
While I agree with not taking the trigger gard off, the employee was in the wrong *because* of how he said it.
You do not tell a customer, "no I value my life." That is just plain rude.
You say, "I'm very sorry, but we're not allowed to remove the trigger gards for safety reasons."
Anonymous on 12/17/2009:
LadyScot, I've researched the Tennessee statute and I can find no such law.
Mind providing a link?
Anonymous on 12/17/2009:
Stew, I can do better than that. Instead of searching for the link, I can post a picture of the sign that is posted in the local gun shop referring to the law. It is also posted in every pawn shop here who pawns and sells guns.
I can try to get one this afternoon while I am out.
Mrs. V., I used to work in a pawn shop that sold guns for 5 years. Never once did a customer ever ask me to remove a trigger guard or a pistol lock while they were looking at one. If they had, that would have put me on alert that something was not right.
I can see where this might have startled the clerk and his comment popped out.
We had a stupid idiot come into the shop with a loaded pistol once. There are signs posted everywhere to remove all ammo AND lock the trigger before entering the store. Plus, we always ASK if it has been done before we touch the weapon, THEN we check.
This moron told the girl waiting on him that he had done so, and instead of handing her the pistol, proceeds to pull back the top instead of removing the clip. The gun discharged in the store, nearly hitting another employee who was 8 months pregnant. We stood there in shock for moment just waiting for her to hit the floor.
When you sell firearms, you never take chances. Never.
memoryx57 on 12/17/2009:
Ya know, nowhere in this post did I see where the man " argued" with anybody. The poster was simply relaying what happened to him in Bass Pro. But instead of some friendly advice, we have a couple of folks on here that know nothing other that to rake the poor person over the coals..I always thought that this was supposed to be a consumer complaint site...but apparently I've been mistaken all this time. I guess it's a bash the "poster" site...at least according to a couple of folks !!
JR in Orlando on 12/17/2009:
His wife knew the op best, and "my wife is pulling on my arm to walk away because I think she thought I would loose my cool." Obviously the wife thought this because she had seen him loose his cool before. It appears even his wife thought his tone of voice, etc. was argumentative.
If all store clerks were politicians, they would say what customers wanted to hear. Could he have said it better - certainly, but the store manager tried to make that right. Why is the OP's ego so close to the surface that a little comment like this would make him feel more "disrespected" than ever before. This sounds more like an inner-city gangster or military mercenary talking then a supposedly rationale person.
jktshff1 on 12/17/2009:
Lady, sorry to disagree, but I've purchased many guns at various locations in my area (TN). The "big stores" usually follow that as policy, local owners don't. Pawn shops are a completely different story, but I can point you to several that keep the guns locked up on display, but not with the trigger lock.
Anonymous on 12/17/2009:
There was an incident a few years ago out here where a woman was at a gun store and told the employee that she wanted to "dry fire" the pistol.
He handed her the gun and she promptly put in a bullet and blew her brains out.
Need I say more?
Anonymous on 12/17/2009:
I could just as easily bludgeon a clerk to death with a baseball bat as shoot him in the head with a gun. Where do you draw the line?
I find it odd that a man so obviously afraid of guns as to become a stammering tourettes case at the mere mention of removing the trigger lock works behind the gun counter. That's just too funny.
Anonymous on 12/17/2009:
It is humorous.
Mrs. V on 12/17/2009:
Lady, I do agree that all triggers should be locked and the gun must be unloaded (I'm a hunter, been shot before (twice), so I do take gun safety very, very seriously).
But there is never any reason to be rude. The employee should not have said that (even if he was startled).
Ytropious on 12/17/2009:
Stew, yes you could bludgeon a cashier, but that takes time, someone else could come into the picture and stop it, possibly sparing the cashiers life. With a gun, one second and your dead, there is no wait time.
Anonymous on 12/17/2009:
I checked the sign at the pawn shop. I was mistaken. It says POLICY, not law. I even checked the local gun shop and it has a similar policy posted. My mistake. I honestly thought it was a law since all the places here lock the triggers.
The rest of my post stands as written though.
jktshff1 on 12/17/2009:
Don't take much time if you know what you are doing.
funman on 12/18/2009:
I don't believe you sold guns for five years and no one asked you to try out the trigger. The trigger pull is one of the most important aspects of the gun. I did end up going to a local pawn shop where I could try the trigger pull. Some of you sound like you haven't been around guns much and are uncomfortable with them. We fear what we do not know. That's OK I am not offended by any comments, we all have different views of the world.
Anonymous on 12/18/2009:
Fun, we, gun shops and pawn shops have a 3 day warranty on firearms. If the trigger is bad, it can be returned for another or a refund. The gun is never allowed to bed dry fired in the store. It has to be sold. Just as someone stated before, the reason is very simple. I do not want some crazy loon putting a round in the chamber in front of me.
I was never asked if I could remove the lock or trigger guard. I was always asked what the return policy is. Maybe country folks have more sense than others and know that dry firing is not the same as actually shooting off a round.
I have been around guns all my life. I am not afraid of them. I am not afraid of cars either but that doesn't mean I am going to drive one 100 MPH around a curve.
Anonymous on 12/18/2009:
JKT: So true. A lefty like us could land a good sucker punch to one's temple and it would be lights out!! We don't need a blunt instrument!
jktshff1 on 12/18/2009:
Yep...blind side, that or a swift ball kicker never fails.
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madconsumer on 12/18/2009:
the store clerk has a valid point. he was spot on.
Mrs. V on 12/18/2009:
Yay for south paws ^_^
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SPRINGFEILD, MISSOURI -- I bought a single item from the online store and after two days I received an email stating that my order was being cancelled because the product is no longer available for purchase.I went online to see if I could find a comparable item to purchase and was shocked to find that the item IS available but under a different SKU and at a higher price (Same product description/color and everything).
I contacted Customer Service via their online chat service and spoke to Bryan who was not at all helpful.
He offered me a 10.00 store credit.I declined the credit as I will NOT being doing business with a dishonest company!
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NASHVILLE, TENNESSEE -- I purchased a crossbow in Sept 2012 and to my error I did not receive the warranty card or owners manual.So I went back the next day to get the paperwork.I was treated like it, s just a bow, like I was a second class citizen.Well after waiting 30-40 minutes for the clerk to return from lunch he pulled out 15 owners manuals with serial numbers on them, could not find mine.I guess they don't give them out when they sell important merchandise like crossbows.And I was further told that Barnett does not deal with the public.I contacted Barnett and they sent me an owners manual and a warranty card along with the installation tools to set the bow up for the first time, next day air.And yes Barnett deals with the public, they will service all your needs.I was called by the Manager and told him what happened he said he would call me back and never returned my call and never sent me a reply.No excuses he had my phone number as well as mailing address.I have never stepped foot in that store since and never will.I spent over 1000.00 dollars in one sale and was treated like a bum off the street.Never again Bass pro I will take my business else where
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Bass Pro Shops uses Fake Sales and Predatory Store Policies to Rip You Off
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You should take your money elsewhere. They have fake sales, deceptively overcharge you, and then leave you no recourse, hiding behind predatory store policies and hidden signs. Their practices amount to scams.
I bought something there that was supposedly on sale for $17, so it was quite a surprise when I found the exact same product at another store the same day selling for $9 at regular price. I went back to bass pro shops to return the item. I was told that on this particular item, there were no returns or exchanges. The woman at the service desk told me there were signs posted in the area indicating that all sales were final. The woman was being incredibly rude, so I asked to see these signs. After searching for several minutes with the help of a stock boy, we finally found a single sign, not in the 2 main aisles where these items are stocked, but above a small display on the other side of the department. Bass Pro Shops refused to refund my money. And they refused to do a price match. The service lady was rude. The manager was better trained about smiling and saying there's nothing he can do, it's store policy, but what he was really saying was "Go f*** yourself". At this point, the money wasn't really the issue.
$17 is only a drop in the bucket compared to what I spend on fishing gear each year. Out of the several hundreds if not thousands of dollars I spend on fishing, hunting, and camping gear every year, not a single cent will be spent at this or any other Bass Pro Shop as a result of this incident.
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drugdoc121 on 09/23/2011:
Just because you can get an item cheaper, elsewhere, does not make it a fake sale. They count on the fact that people would rather impulsively buy then shop or wait for a bargain.
At Your Service on 09/23/2011:
I love Bass Pro Shops. Wish they had one in my area.
kinthenorthwest on 09/23/2011:
What is a sales price for an item is not always a sales price at another...
If its a big ticket item then you make sure you shop around. Or in some cases find a place that will give you the dfference if you find a cheaper price.
jktshff1 on 09/24/2011:
What the item was would be helpful
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Bass Pro Shop Calling From 501 Area Code
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The reason they are calling you is because you or someone you know (or may not know; maybe you have enemies?) signed you up for a trip. I actually went to the shop in Nashville in April 2009 and signed up for a drawing. Even after reading the fine print, I knew what I was getting myself into; it's a time share company; you go to a seminar or whatever and they provide you with a trip to your destination choice.
I have only received two calls (one in June 2009 and one today, August 12th, 2010).
I hope this helps.
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goduke on 08/12/2010:
Ah, the infamous trip that never seems to have any available dates. Thanks for the great info.
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HOUSTON, TEXAS -- Ever get a call from this number or one similar? On the other end is a pushy, rude, and often nasty sales person trying to convince you that you've won a vacation...and it only cost $300? I get a call about every 3 weeks from some company associated with Bass Pro, wanting to make me believe I have won a vacation....I am so tired of the rude and annoying sales tactics. I'm tired of telling them to take my number off of their list. I'm tired of all of it. But you know what I'm the most tired of? Knowing that Bass Pro couldn't care less that a customer of theirs is being harassed. Wow...really makes me want to spend my money in their store. Know what? No one from Gander Mountain calls me...guess I'll have to go there instead. Seriously though, Bass Pro, have your scum sales team stop calling me. And don't give me the crap line about them not being associated with you. You let them in your store and allowed them to set up a table to confront your customers. Bottom line, you're involved and it's your responsibility to stop it.
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Helpful on 08/09/2010:
What makes you believe it's Bass Pro Shop? I love them!!!
PepperElf on 08/09/2010:
it's probably a scam
which also means he's also probably lying through his teeth when he tells you he's associated with Bass Pro.
I'd suggest contacting the FTC
and perhaps talking to the police about being harassed via phone scams.
spiderman2 on 08/10/2010:
Did you fill out one of those win a boat entries? They had to get your from somewhere! I know if you fill those at at the mall (free windows, free bathroom makeoverm, etc.) you will get sales calls.
Maybe you can try calling BassPro directly and see if they can get it to stop.
rockfishing on 08/10/2010:
It sounds like you entered some contest. It's tough to get them to stop calling after they get your number. Get called I.D. and answer your phone in a foreign language.
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- 10:00 am - 5:00 pmHolidays Around the World"Holidays Around the World" is an annual, multi-cultural tree display that celebrates holiday traditions found throughout Louisville's diverse communities. It ranges from trees decorated as they would be in countries that observe Christmas, to cultural displays showcasing other holidays observed around the globe throughout the year. This visually-stunning and educational exhibition, featuring trees and displays, runs Thanksgiving through New Years.
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- 10:00 am - 5:00 pmTop Drawer: 150 Years of BittnersExperience the old world craftsmanship of handmade furniture through the 18th and 19th centuries. "Top Drawer" is a 4,000 sq. ft. exhibition that explores how a German immigrant's custom cabinet shop became not only a Louisville tradition, but also a nationally-renowned design firm. Exquisite American, English and Continental furniture inspired by great monarchs and makers is featured, as well as the story of how the political, cultural and social forces of these periods can inspire the aesthetic of our homes. Examine fine antiques from around the world as well as master-crafted pieces produced by the Bittners custom shop.
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- 10:00 am - 5:00 pm"Diana: A Celebration" exhibit gallery openThis 7,500 sq. ft. exhibition explores the life and humanitarian work of one of the 20th century's most remarkable women. Diana's life is explored through nine galleries containing 150 objects, ranging from her royal wedding gown and 28 designer dresses to family jewels, heirlooms, personal mementoes, paintings, rare home movies and photos. "Diana: A Celebration" comes to the Frazier directly from the Althorp Estate in England, the Spencer Family's 500-year-old ancestral home, where it is on display every summer. A portion of the proceeds generated to the Althorp Estate from the exhibition, produced by Arts & Exhibitions International, will benefit charitable causes including the Diana, Princess of Wales Memorial Fund. Click here to read more.
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Teens (Age 13-18) are invited to have fun with friends at the library. Play "E" and "T"-rated games on our PlayStation 3 (with the new Move), Nintendo Wii, and X-Box 360 (with the new Kinect) set up on three TVs for simultaneous playing. Snacks are provided. This event is generously sponsored by the Friends of the Ponte Vedra Beach Branch Library and our friends at Sony. Call 827-6950 for more details.


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He-Man and the Masters of the Universe was one of the most popular cartoons of the 80's, and with good reason. With what was probably the most successful merchandising tie-in ever, the series was watched religiously by children all over the world who could reach for their action figures as soon as the show was over.
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Many TV stations turned down the series when it came out in 1983, concerned that consumer groups would object to its commercialization of children's toys. Relaxed FCC regulations encouraged stations in many markets to purchase the series a year later.
He-Man was the alter ego of the handsome Prince Adam, ruler of the planet Eternia and overseer of Castle Greyskull, where the governing Council of Elders were housed. It was up to Prince Adam to protect the castle from danger, which usually meant threats from the evil Skeletor who thought that he should be the one to rule the planet.
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Like any good hero, He-Man had an array of friends to help him out when things got a little rough. Man-at-Arms served as his right-hand man and strategic adviser, and Teela, Man-at-Arms' warrior goddess adopted daughter, also lent an effective hand in battle. Other allies included the powerful Sorceress and Cringer, Prince Adam's cowardly tiger, who transformed into the fierce Battle Cat when his owner became He-Man. He-Man's sidekick, Orko, served a dual function, as a source for comic relief and a non-offensive outlet for the "moral of the story" messages at the end of every episode.
The series became the second highest-rated children's show of the year, while the He-Man action figure became the second best-selling toy (after Barbie) in the United States.
Eventually, Prince Adam's sister, Princess Adora, would be introduced on a TV special and spun off to her own series, She-Ra, Princess of Power.
The series' overwhelming popularity was largely due to the easing of FCC regulations on advertisements in cartoons. Mattel was therefore able to share producing credit and market toys based on the series... as long as they didn't advertise during the show itself. Eventually, even this rule would be lifted and the syndicated stations would advertise toys based on the cartoons that children had seen SAVING THE UNIVERSE only two seconds before.
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- Animated Characters: He-Man/Prince Adam, Orko, Battle Cat/Cringer, Skeletor, Sorceress, Teela, Beast Man, Evil-Lyn, Ram-Man.
- First Aired in 1983.
- Episode Number: MU 66004
- Running Time: 30 minutes.
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