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We don't need the AA filter. Now, Nikon, start thinking something useful, thanks.
Sharp thinking: Nikon creates selectable strength low-pass filter
Nikon has patented a technology that can electronically adjust a camera's low-pass (AA) filter based on the situation. By using a liquid crystal panel, the AA filter can either be turned on and off, or set to 'normal' or 'high' intensity. The first design could allow for a digital SLR to have its AA filter turned off at the press of the button. The second design would have a mild anti-aliasing effect for stills, and a stronger effect to eliminate moiré in movies. The company suggests still more could be achieved by mounting two such filters back-to-back.
The patent claims the entirely electronic design means a two-mode low-pass filter can be implemented in a way that doesn't decrease the reliability or durability of the camera (rather than a mechanical system that switched different filters into place).
How it works:
The designs are essentially a development of the filters used in the D800 and D800E. The standard D800 has a low-pass filter that utilizes a property called birefringence - where a substance splits light depending on the light's polarization. The thickness of the filter defines how much the light is split, so the thickness of the filter can be tuned to match the sensor it's placed in front of (Blurring the light across the width of one pixel cuts out the high frequencies that would cause moiré).
The D800E features a second birefringent plate of the same thickness, set so that it re-combines the light split by the first plate - cancelling the effect.
|The latest design can be an extension of the system used in the D800E, but instead of having two birefringent plates that cancel each other out, there's an extra layer that can selectively combine or subtract their effects.
The Nikon patent inserts a liquid crystal layer between the two plates. A liquid crystal layer can be made to rotate the polarization of light or just let it pass straight through, depending on whether an electrical charge is applied to the layer. This ability to change the polarization of the light as it passes between two polarization-sensitive plates lets you decide whether the effects of the two plates is additive or subtractive.
In the simplest system described in the patent, the first layer separates the light before it hits the liquid crystal. With the liquid crystal turned off, the polarization of this split light is rotated through 90 degrees, causing the light to be recombined by a second birefringent plate. However, if the liquid crystal is turned on, it doesn't rotate the light, and the second filter exaggerates the splitting effect and increases the blur.
The result is a low-pass filter with two modes. In one instance you could have a filter that can either be turned on or off (offering a high-res mode if you're shooting landscapes or situations without repetitive patterns).
Design 1: AA filter on/off
Here, the liquid crystal is turned off meaning the light reaching the second plate is the opposite polarization from when it hit the first one - cancelling the two plates' effects.
This allows a single point of light to be focused on a single point on the sensor. This is the equivalent to having no low-pass filter.
[Photo credit: Japan Patent Office]
By turning on the liquid crystal, the polarization of the light is unchanged and the effect of the two plates is combined.
[Photo credit: Japan Patent Office]
Alternatively, you could design the filter with a stills mode (blurring light by the width of one pixel to avoid moire in full-res images), and a video mode that splits the light over a greater area (to prevent moiré at the much lower sampling frequencies used by video).
Design 2: AA filter normal/high
Here, the front birefringent element is thicker which, when the liquid crystal is off, has the same effect as a standard AA filter.
[Photo credit: Japan Patent Office]
With the liquid crystal on, light is split even further, providing a stronger AA effect ideal for video recording.
[Photo credit: Japan Patent Office]
Putting two such assemblies back-to-back would further expand the capabilities of such a system. These could include a camera with off, stills and video modes, or allow the horizontal and vertical filtering to be separately adjusted to take into account how the sensor is sub-sampled when shooting video.
makers should be happy to cut the cost
especially if users prefer low quality.
They should design new DSLR's that don't need a filter/cancel filter in order to work. Just get rid of the AA filter.
Moire in video can be avoided without messing with the AA filter. A software solution is better than a physical one especially when the issue is caused by crappy software implementation in the first place.
before the "software" can work, there is a physical issue that we cannot readout full resolution at 24 fps (often 10 fps something, +20% faster for lower height).
so usually we can only readout half of the rows, just above 1080 from a 10MP sensor.
both D800 and 5D3 readout video at triple speed, D800 throws away 2/3 of rows while 5D3 bins 3 pairs of rows first to have better image quality (~1.6 stops). unfortunately it doesn't have the software at this stage.
Get away from Bayer sensors and you wouldn't have to use image degrading crap like that. The Foveon sensor and any sensor that works in a similar way is the future. Bayer is old technology. It's time to move on.
First of all, vendors don't "have to use image degrading" things like OLPF as there have been cameras without them for years and even Nikon's own D800E doesn't use traditional AA-filter technology.
Secondly, something like Fujifilm's X-Trans could be a good alternative to traditional Bayer sensors but Foveon simply does not perform well enough above base ISO so it's application is fairly limited for a professional digital camera.
"First of all, vendors don't "have to use image degrading" things like OLPF..."
They don't have to but they continue to do so for the vast majority of cameras. Putting aside the blur filter you still have the fact that a Bayer sensor produces image information through interpolation. Look at the finest detail from the 800e in a non-natural setting and you clearly see the limits of Bayer sensors. It's old technology, and lousy at that.
"Fujifilm's X-Trans could be a good alternative to traditional Bayer sensors but Foveon simply does not perform well enough above base ISO...."
The Foveon does fine up to ISO 400 delivering far more detail than you can get with a Bayer sensor. That Fuji sensor while better than the typical Bayer sensor is still intepolating image information. Side by side the Foveon sensor is still delivering far more detail than the Fuji.
It needs further improvement but the future of cameras sensors should be with a Foveon or Foveon like design.
Foveon solves one problem at the cost of tons of problems.
A Bayer sensor works like our eyes. Foveon is pointless. Maybe you'd like to introduce some new problems...because Foveon brings a lot of problems. And for what? A little more sharpness? No, thanks.
> A Bayer sensor works like our eyes
pigmented layer = color filters:
that said, I'm still looking forward to seeing a "stacked sensor", universal sensel that can measure the color of each (or sampling on a portion of) incoming photons, maybe after we can have say 300M or more pixels (we are in absolute shortage of resolution now).
this is why the D400 has been delayed.
While you lot obsess about variable pixel resolution and other irrelevant gimmicks, I'm taking my D90 out for a stroll along the beach....
Perfect timing! I just bought the GH3 yesterday. Trying to find workarounds for the moire... :/
Buy a Fuji with X-Trans sensor that doesn't have Bayer array and eliminates moire.
@VisualFX. You are wrong. X-trans has also moire, BUT lesser. ONLY cameras absolutely moire free are Sigmas.
X-trans has terrible aliasing, worse than Bayer sensors. Sigma sensors are prone to very strong aliasing, too. Most people however confuse aliasing with detail.
Don't headline a patent app like it is a completed pre-production prototype. Too few of these see the light of day to be taken seriously.
Just what we need; another metric to debate.
"The VAA on the Nikon is waaaay better than Canon's" or "Unless Canon gets some newer tech on their VAA I am jumping to Sony"
"Is my VAA turned on and how do I tell?"
Probably have to a couple scene modes for the VAA as well.
Well well, back in the early 1980's when I used to work in the camera trade (Tecno cameras) Paul Bird & I discussed the possibility of camera shutters being produced from LCD panels - so they could be switched on and off REALLY quickly - well 30 years later we have a sort of shutter arrangement via LCD - of course back then AA filters, sensors and digital were totally unknown...every idea has its day......
Sinar has had something like that for awhile now for technical cameras. About a decade ago I worked with a Sinar digital back that used an LCD shutter to allow an early form of live view.
what was the fastest shutter speed?
I'm not sure this is a truly useful exercise. One of its drawback is to reduce light transmission, as any polarizing filter does.
The future is probably something like this:
- increase the pixel density above the lens resolution (a low pass filter)
- filter digitally for lower resolution.
lens resolution is the bottom line for sensor resolution. we may want way more pixels for image qualities other resolution.
I think omission of LPF is no more than cost saving from maker's point of view (lower cost at lower quality that some users prefer) so this really looks weird to me.
There's no mention of polarizing filters.
Exactly, in an LCD, the incoming light's *polarization* either gets rotated by 90 degrees passing through the sample or not at all. An LCD *in a display* has a fixed polarizer as well (the Nikon system here doesn't) so that's when you get the light blocking associated in people's minds with LCD shutter - it's the combo of a fixed polarizer and an LCD.
There is indeed no polarizing filter as the ones in an LCD display. But the polarization process involves some loss of light. I should have said "polarizer" instead of "polarizing filter".
There is no polarizer. It merely twists the polarization of the light.
Low pass filters already have two filters: the innovation seems to be allowing rotation of light in between them, to turn the low-pass fitering effect on and off, rather than having the second physically rotated relative to the first by an appropriate angle. Like what happens if you swap between a D800 and D800E: they differ by having the two filters in different relative orientation.
I think the description of D800 vs. D800E AA filters in the article isn't quite correct. Both have two layers, but the layers in the D800 are oriented at 90° so that they split light in one direction and then again in the other. (After all, if you only "blur" along one axis, you'll still get aliasing along the other.) The D800E has the layers at 180°, so they split and then recombine the image.
In the same way, the diagrams are incomplete (presumably for the sake of simplicity). They only show AA along one axis.
not needed at all.
I just need a fine tuned low pass filter to guard high frequency noise, not the fake resolution. but what I really need is more pixels say well over 100M.
a good example how stupid users can change the market though.
Fake resolution, lol!
The AA filter doesn't affect the high frequency noise (the noise won't disappear either if the subject is out of focus).
Is there some filter to reduce noise in the comments section..?
This is great.
What Nikon needs to be doing, is making a SMALLER, than D5200 sized FX body, F-mount, with the motor drive! Like Canon did the SL1(smaller); but with the D600 like FX sensor.
Not to mention, fixing aperture control in video, and ways to minimize the horrible rolling shutter. Lets help video, too. Faster focus, in live view, too.
Don't say it doesn't fit! We're not limited to 2005 parts.
This will shock the market.
However, Nikon should quickly build a mirror-less version of this camera, as well. This requires a stellar EVF, and progression in mirror-less AF-C. What's missing from Nikon's failed mirror-less ploy, is full frame, and the F-mount!
Let the consumer buy both DSLR's, and "DSLE's". Don't pit them against each other, and be known for the best, value price. This is your brand, and it starts with your (much greater number) affordable systems, and not your quickly depreciating boat anchors; no matter what else they do.
This little idea would sell a lot of modern "FX" lenses, *and* be extremely attractive for all those old full frame lenses, out there. All, with no adapter required! Now, that's a body worth more, and the best lens selection, ever.
So, if I'd have to up-size, a compact system camera (m43, E-mount), with a good EVF, external flash, and grip, then why wouldn't I just buy this Nikon idea, instead?
o Lens (all F-mount) [Stellar; for less]
o Sensor (color sensitivity [PEOPLE], more contrast, clean shadows, DR, and Bokeh.)
o Small body too! Easy to carry, all day. Built in VF (Optical, or high refresh EVF in two model selections), and with a strong (bounce-able) TTL flash.
What can't one do, with that?
Leap frog the APS-C goodness, and go "full frame" [FX], with a really small body! No FAT cams! Just big fat sensors. ;) Because size does matter.
You know, we really need to stop comparing cameras to sex, LOL. It's just that (if we must), then the cameras we have now, are like extremely obese gals, with flat chests, and frigid. These things are not to valued, buy the weight. LOL.
Form, and function. Please.
Canon, Nikon, Ricoh/Pentax(K mount), Olympus(mount?), Fuji (F-mount?), and Sony(A-mount) could do this (small body, FF, with lens selection), and they damn well better; before some other manufacturer does.
Not everybody wants a tiny camera.
Not everybody wants an obese camera.
You see, if you make smaller cameras, without the better results, and you make obese, boat anchors, with all the better stuff, then your market data will be WRONG.
It's time; to give up obese. Use FF sensors, a full line, of better value, FF lenses (like small primes), all in a very small (not tiny, or pocket yet) system.
But none would work (just more wrong market data), without value, and a total benefits balance. For instance, if the thing didn't write fast enough to get the shots, then the other goodness is useless. Just to name one thing.
It's possible you have tiny hands. I don't know. The fact is there are still thousands of professional photographers, myself included, that appreciate a camera that is large enough to hold comfortably in the hand as well as have plenty of room for dedicated buttons to access controls quickly.
The D5200 is a nice tiny little camera, but I have little interest in using something that small. It's awkward to handle and the lack of dedicated buttons make it impractical.
They could jam a medium format sensor into a pocketable camera and I STILL wouldn't buy it.
Full-frame cameras like the Sony RX1 are still point and shoot cameras. Big sensors in small cameras aren't the right tool for most professional photographers.
To those who want to get FF only. What do you do then with those that stick to APS-C, or those, like me, that use different sensor sizes for ceratain known reasons?
YOU want FF only, but, YOU are not alone, always think about that before you claim something.
I doubt somehow that they will be offering a service to put these into D800's somehow (as implied in this article), although I look forward to seeing this tech in future Nikon kit. They're for sure gonna need to have plenty of good new features to persuade me to upgrade my D800.
We didn't mean to imply this would be added to D800s. What gave you that impression?
Perhaps the way the front page blurb for the story is written:
"The first design would allow for a D800 that become a D800E at the push of a button."
It was the sentence that mapgraphs quotes above. I understand its intent is to explain the potential benefits in a way that people can understand, but it was also at the same time unintentionally misleading.
I suppose some people would figure all this could be stuffed into a camera after the fact. Send the camera in for an upgrade...
I took the sentence as a metaphor. It would have been more clear, though, as a simile.
X3 sensor is the way to go.
It could be if only it was available as on option inside a similar D800 like state-of-the-art camera body - instead of being entombed inside a primarily lens companies vague idea of one.
I hear you man. As far as rumors tell us, IIRC Sony, Panny and Canon are all working on the true 3-color sensor designs. Yet, the overall sensitivity of the all the designs is simply unsatisfactory at the moment. IOW, it makes no business sense to bring to the market another sensor with all the quirks of the Foveon, including the poor mid/high ISO performance.
the fact is no stacked senor can deliver good performance. we may find a way to make it better and we may not. the God designed our eyes with color filters.
An ideal x3-type sensor without Foveon's color/noise/red_diffusion weaknesses, perhaps, but that still needs an AA filter for those who are sensitive to aliasing. Color moire is the most obvious, blunt artifact that anyone can see as if it were shoved in their face, but the less obvious effects of aliasing are still quite obvious to others, especially people who are naturals with math and music (so-called right-hemisphere types) who can clearly see the difference between, real analog detail where an edge or dot can can appear at any position or angle with equal acutance, and false detail that snaps to a pixel grid and emphasizes the presence of the pixel structure.
"the fact is no stacked senor can deliver good performance."
Nonsense. Foveon sensors are far superior to a Bayer sensor at lower ISOs. Look at an image from any of the current Sigma cameras right now and that is shockingly obvious. Not everyone needs to be shooting at ISO 800 and above.
"the less obvious effects of aliasing are still quite obvious to others, especially people who are naturals with math and music (so-called right-hemisphere types) who can clearly see the difference between, real analog detail where an edge or dot can can appear at any position or angle with equal acutance, and false detail that snaps to a pixel grid and emphasizes the presence of the pixel structure."
That's a bunch of nonsense. We are not dealing with VGA resolution.
Wow! We still have to see how this works in real life but kudos to Nikon for being innovative.
Keeping an inferior technology like Bayer sensors going is not my idea of being "innovative."
Unfortunately LCD panel is not perfectly transparent even when "open", robbing some light.
This is not an LCD panel, just LC. The polarization filter that blocks half of the light even when an LCD is on isn't a part of this design.
Liquid crystal themselves are not perfectly transparent.
Well, then how much light do this thing rob?
We got some pretty good performance in sensors now. I might be willing to trade some light for this capability.
People were happy to lose 1/3 stop in the Sony cameras for the hybrid EVF or whatever it was called. The EVF was worth it to them. Would this thing cost even 1/3 stop?
It seems to me that variable AA can be done in software (firmware) via pre-de-Bayer color-specific Gaussian blur. Physical blurring can be very closely emulated in software. Software AA would slow down image processing and might noticeably decrease the burst rate, though turning it off would not interfere with RAW throughput.
It can't.
Well, once the moire is there, adding Gaussian blur does nothing to remove the false color. It just integrates it more smoothly into the image, which is not going to help much. An integrated moire reduction filter could be helpful, but I suspect that there is a reason why such filters tend to be implemented as "brushes" in order to allow the photographer to control quite precisely how much and exactly where to apply it ... so AA is still the way to go, for video especially ...
To clarify, once you've thrown away half or three quarters of the pixels that would make up a complete image for any given color, there is no way to restore the information. The point of an AA filter is to blur the image before it passes through the bayer filter, making each pixel work like one covering between two and four times the area (but without actually capturing two to four times the light).
"blurring the image before Bayer" does not preclude filter-specific software blurring. If the signal does not get to the pixel then whatever transform was applied (physical or algorithmic) is irrelevant.
It is interesting that the most useless and dismissive reply has been liked more than others. This forum seems to attract many shallow and useless "opinions".
P.S. Bayer blurring emulation is predicated on a minimal level of sampling (supported by most small-pix deca-mega-pix cameras). Emulation of pre-Bayer blur does become less effective with increasing undersampling.
I don't know if it's feasible but why not producing cameras without an AA filter and offer the possibilty to screw one in front of the lens when required ? At least for the pro-sumer and professional markets... A way to reduce the cost of every camera. Only users that need AA filter would buy one. Could remove the IR filter too and design screw-in AA/IR combo filters to use in lieu of the traditional UV or neutral protective filter. Which would make cameras suitable for IR photography too...
The blur filter must be very close (essentially in contact) to the sensor. Placing it in/on the lens would induce way too much blur.
AA filters would have to be graded to suit different focal lengths to account for magnification. Also, they'd cost more due to the additional area required.
Having no IR filter would produce less sharp images since IR light focuses at a different point & isn't corrected for in normal lenses to the same extent. You'd need a filter on every lens, which again, would cost more (I don't use protective filters).
Thank you for your explanations. Does anyone know if, in current sensor designs, the AA filter and the IR filter are the same piece of glass or two different parts ? I know some people remove the IR filter, then add a filter in front of the lens to cut the visible light, for shooting IR photographs. But is the AA filter removed as well when doing so ?
or make all lenses soft focus.
Karroly the only still cameras that I know of that use a removable IR filter are all the Sigma dslr models. They also don't use AA, or more appropriately, blur filters. When you remove the lens on say a Sigma SD 1 the IR filter is right there at the opening and can be easily removed for IR photography and serves an even better function by preventing dust getting to your sensor.
Basalite, when the camera has no easily removable IR filter, I know people have taken the camera apart to remove it. Myself, I know how to do it on Canon PowerShot cameras (I collect and repair cameras, both analog and digital, for years. With PowerShot cameras that accept an adapter tube, you can then add a low-pass or high-pass (in term of wave length) filter, that are commercially available, to shoot IR or visible light). But you have to replace the built-in IR filter by a multicoated piece of glass with good optical quality, same thickness, same refraction index so it has no impact on focus and IQ. But I did not try to find one... Must find someone able to design a customized one...at a big cost. I think I will try to cut a piece of glass in a multicoated neutral protective filter one day...
So now we know. DPR editors read Nikon Rumors too
Actually I found this on the Egami blog.
Sure, after you saw it in Nikon Rumors you started to do research. :)
Does it matters where an information comes from? DPR has to get them somewhere, and here it proves that our friend Butler is surfing around and fetches information, instead of playing computer games. Butler .... 10 points.
From all of reading I've done, the AA filter removal (either none at all or cancelling it out like Nikon) has turned out to be a lot of hype, at least for stills. The gains are quite minimal and only appear with the best lenses at a tiny aperture range (usually around f/5.6).
For video, it's probably more meaningful, but unless you use perfect technique (i.e. solid tripod, mirror lockup, cable release) and focus stack multiple f/5.6 exposures, I don't think you gain a whole lot.
Personally, I was hoping the hype was real, but it seems that more can be done by optimizing the AA filter (Canon 5D Mark II vs. III) than eliminating it or cancelling it out. This is an intriguing patent, however.
I feel the same way too. There are too many real world factors that are much more significant than the AA filter. The effects of AA filter is pretty much academic and marketing.
These talks on AA filter simply serve to distract people from focusing on other important but hard to quantify factors in a modern day camera, such as ergonomics and user interface.
I'm thinking that the D800 was not targeted at the fat wallet crowd, but rather at professionals who actually know how to wring every ounce of detail out of their cameras and lenses. So the fact that the D800 is good enough for most people who can actually afford it does not mitigate one iota the value of the D800E to those who could use the extra detail in their wall sized landscape prints.
Too bad for you you don't own a Nikon or a Leica or a Hasselblad or a Phase One or a Sony or A Pentax or a Fuji that can take an unblurred picture.
"Too bad for you you don't own a Nikon or a Leica or a Hasselblad or a Phase One or a Sony or A Pentax or a Fuji that can take an unblurred picture."
The best example of cameras taking "unblurred" pictures are the Sigmas. No AA filter and no interpolation of image detail.
If Nikon don't even believed what it created, why should the consumers buy the new idea?
"By using a liquid crystal panel, the AA filter can either be turned on and off, or set to 'normal' or 'high' intensity."
Can it be fully manipulated by consumers own feeling? You know, sometime some want it to be 59%, while another day same situation they want it to be 58.99% nothing less, nothing more kind of thing. Don't ask why, they just want that.
Specious argument. If they nail the three modes (off for landscapes, stills for fabric etc, video) then they have done more than enough to make hay with the feature.
For a photo-specific device, its best to just leave the AA filter out.. the only reason for this complexity is to accommodate the photo-video market, which I prefer not that they just leave out. i.e. for the D800e and upcoming 54mp D4x.. just market it as a photo taking device.
(a) Fabric and other challenges still make the D800 useful over the D800E on some shoots in the studio.
(b) Video is so prevalent that making a stills only camera is suicide.
So I think your argument falls flat in two ways.
The reason for the AA filter is to prevent/reduce aliasing, as explained by sampling theory.
A general comment: We all parse on each and every bit of news regarding which camera is "best", the weight vs. feature, will this change be useful, the new low pass, the next hi-tech change. I for one rarely print, had a darkroom back-in-the-day, photography was a full time gig, now I shoot, post, email and occasionally print. The changing, "newer-better" tech has little bearing. Am I alone in that95% of my work exist as digital? Do many of you print, frame or sell your work? Its been a strange trip from the time and patience it took to bring photos to perfection, jiggling trays to Instagram, where I can see some excellent work and post my own and get feedback in seconds. AA filters? Gold Awards? Pros and cons of RAW' It's hard to buy a truly bad camera these days, the differences are small, many lenses are made by the same manufacture, pocket size this, lens heavy that, other than full time working professionals, what does it matter to the 99% whose photos never leave the screen?
I find your comment intriguing. I just finished reading the article and my first thought was "what is left besides the photographer's eye?"
Once upon a time, when I processed Cibachromes although I preferred b/w, each print, which took hours to produce was for me a masterpiece. I worked hard at it. I manipulated colour, was precise in my camera exposure, or...played with the exposure to get the right effect.There is room for experimentation these days- but every now and then when I am asked to teach I wonder, how do you teach basics any more. Every digicam is a computer. Every computer can be improved upon. Images are better and easier than ever. I revel from time to time on how easy it is to capture a moment in time- still... the more we improve, the harder it is the claim an image as "our own" and not that of the digicam.
> the more we improve, the harder it is the claim an image as "our own" and not that of the digicam.
I think it is the opposite. These days, due to the vastly improved postprocessing tools, it is much easier to make the image into what your mind's eye saw, instead of having to accept the capture in the camera as the final product.
In the beginning there was the D800 for $3000. So Nikon stripped the AA filter and tge D800E was born. Because less is more, Nikon charges $3300 for the D800E. The next logical step would be a D800F with a configurable AA filter for $5000. E la nave va.
They didnt strip the AA filter out. Looks like you should read up on the topic before you post
Don't be too finicky!
I based myself on what Ken Rockwell said about the differences between the D800 and the D800E:
"The D800E is the same camera and has the same sensor as the D800, except that the D800E has its anti-aliasing filter removed. IR and UV rejection are the same."
The topic says that an additional birefringent plate is used to cancel the effect of the AA filter. For all effects it is like the AA filter was removed.
The addition of the plate involves additional parts and labor... so Nikon charges more. What is wrong with that?
Frank: you trust KR for technical information rather than the details provided by Nikon or at this site?! KR is simply wrong on this: surprised?
P. S. Lower volume specialty versions products can cost more due to economies of scale even when they cost no more to make.
I wouldn't reference Ken Rockwell as a source of factual information but OTOH, I doubt it costs Nikon $200 more to make a D800E.
Frank, if you are using Rockwell as a resource, you have more problems then you realize. It is not being finicky. The AA structurecould not be removed because it would effect AF performance. It is a complex process that is far more than just stripping the AA filter out. Instead of trying to justify your misinformation....it's better to just gracefully bow out.
About Ken Rockwell and Nikon
I can believe KR and Nikon but always with a grain of salt. For example, when Nikon said the 200mm f/4 macro AI-S lens is spectacular, but KR says that suffers from strong color fringing (at macro distances!), I believe KR, not Nikon.
Back to the AA filter
>The AA structure could not be removed because it would effect AF performance. It is a complex process that is far more than just stripping the AA filter out
Completely wrong. The phase detection AF operation has nothing to with the AA filter. The AF system works independently of the sensor of the AA filter. Or saying better, the only thing that matters for the AF operation is the effective position of the sensor relative to the AF cells. If the AA filter is removed, the effective position of the sensor changes, of course, but this can be easily compensated by a recalibration of the sensor position. It is very simple operation in a production line, not a "complex process" as you said.
>The addition of the plate involves additional parts and labor... so Nikon charges more. What is wrong with that?
Nothing wrong if the additional parts and labor were really necessary. To understand the absurdity of the situation, imagine a car maker that charges more for a model without air conditioning system because the car maker says "additional labor is involved in the removal of the air conditioning system from the normal model". Nikon is acting like that car maker.
Frank, you have no idea what you are talking about. According to Nikon themselves, removing the low pass filter would effect the AF and thus they needed to keep it within the optical formula. I'm certain Nikon's engineers know more about this than you . The Imaging Resource test site confirms this from Nikon as well. now please, bow out.
Definitely, you don't understand the basics of phase-detection AF system. If you had a minimum knowledge, you would know that the PDAF doesn't use the AA filter! But, attention, there is a trap here! Removing the AA filter affects the AF, but only INDIRECTLY! since the optical path to the image sensor changes (the optical path is reduced as light travel fast in the air than in the filter media). The removal of the AA filter must be compensated in some way, for example, by shifting backwards the sensor. Depending on the thickness of the AA filter, a shift of only a fraction of one mm would be enough. Another solution could be the use of a ticker IR filter. However, Nikon is a lazy company, so they preferred the more expensive solution of adding a plate over the AA filter, and charge more for the D800E. The excuse to charge more? That the D800E has more resolution, and blah, blah, blah…
Of course, you are among the people who believe in all the lies Nikon tells about the D800E.
Frank...you are wrong...plain and simple. Now you're claiming Nikon engineers are stupid and dont kbow what tbey are doing I think it's pretty obvious that it's you who is clueless and not Nikon. Hilarious watching you fall over yoursrlf to argue.
No, the engineers at Nikon are smart people, but they work for their boss, not for Nikon customers. Stupid are those that believe in all the BS the Nikon PR says.
Yay, when this technology trickles down to the dxxxx series, there will be no more complaints of soft pictures...
[[there will be no more complaints of soft pictures...]]
Thank you for that. I now have to clean coffee off my monitors. :)
Wow, this will bring Nikon to leadership position, hahaha. How about lower prices on the better stuff. At Nikon, every buton or hinge added, doubles the price.
Considering the D800 is cheaper than the 5D3....Canon must have a lot more hinges on their inferior camera.
Adding a hand carved, wooden grip will triple the price.
Canon is nothing better here, so is Sony. They save in features to sell it cheaper. No motor drive on low end nikons, no tilting lcd screen on low end Sony's, and so on. If I compare all Nikon's, from 3200 to 7100, I find the same basic camera with different fetures and bodies. The sensor and on the end, the IQ are the same, but as I said, every button, every added feature, you pay for it in massive amount of money. Check the differences of D7100 compared to D3200, and then see if it is worth what you pay for them. A more sophisticated 51 point AF, a lens drive motor, a different less evolved body, weather sealed, but for that no tilting screen. Now, is it worth to pay 1200$ for the body while 3200 body is 400$. So, with what do you want to justify the 800$ difference. Producing the chips and that few added things is for me a difference of a 100$ and here I calculate high. And here, no matter what manufacturere it is.
Sony's better than A3200 will sell at least 250$ more too.
The manufacturers follow all a protective policy on cameras, prices are kept wide spread to justify 3 or 4 models with the same sensor, thus giving a camera to every budget, what is crappy system. Better produce one with all features and sell it at honnest prices. Look how Nikon keeps mirrorless high to advantage DSLR's, look their prices on FF to protect APS-C sales, while non of those cameras cost more in production than any other one. Sony comes slowly down to better pricing, what makes it affordable, Nikon sticks to high prices and is surprised of bad sales rates, so is Canon. We are worldwide in a crisis, money gets rare and people are not willed to pay those astonishing prices anymore, and here, even those who can easely afford it, don't want to pay that. So, is it not time to put the feet back on the ground. Now, tell me what difference you find in a shot made by a D3200 and D7100? There is none, it is the same sensor. The difference is 800$, that's all, if you consider IQ
Haven't electronically-controlled ND filters been used before in compact cameras in lieu of actual aperture blades to reduce diffraction? I remember hearing this. Of course, Nikon's proposed system is much more advanced.
I was going to mention this, but you've beaten me to it :) It would be nice to have a manually adjustable electronic ND filter built into the sensor. Something with a range of 1-3 stops would be good; 1-10 would be perfect.
If an electronically controlled ND filter could be used to reduce diffraction, it's only because it would allow the use of a wider aperture on very bright days. It's not a good general solution because when there's not a surplus of light, it would force the use of either slower shutter speeds that might produce blurring or higher ISOs producing noisier photos.
It seems to me that the use of such an ND filter (or a more traditional variable ND filter) is more about convenience, so you wouldn't need to carry multiple filters when you want to slow down the shutter speed. It sounds like it would be useful to have, but there may be issues that prevent it from being widely adopted, such as cost and/or reduced image quality compared to a similar camera that doesn't have that extra piece of glass.
It's nothing to do with neutral density or diffraction, it's to do with moire!
Yup. One of the things I remember about upgrading from a Canon SD1000 to an S90 was that it had actual aperture blades and I could produce sunstars at small apertures. I was pretty happy about that.
I'd love electronically controlled ND filters for video. Extremely useful!
Couldn't they just take Panasonic's approach to video, scaling down the entire frame instead of line skipping? No moire at all on my GH2, and it's infinitely sharper and more detailed than my old D7000 and current D7100...
Good question! Scaling down the entire frame needs a much more powerful processor than line skipping. Nikon is a traditional optical company , so it doesn't have the expertise of Sony or Panasonic in electronics. As a proof of Nikon limitations, take a look at the video recording specs of Nikon cameras. Most Nikons cannot record 1080 60p, whereas almost all Sony and Panasonic can.
I hardly think the traditional optical companies, like Nikon and Olympus, make their own processors, or other electronic components. For example, Chipworks writes this about the Nikon EXPEED 3 processor in D5200:
"The big chip of note is Nikon EXPEED 3. It is a package-on-package configuration featuring Samsung K4B4G3146 4 Gb DDR3 DRAM on top. The EXPEED device is fabricated by Fujitsu and is a big piece of silicon at 8.7 mm x 9.4 mm."
It also has a microprocessor and image sensor by Toshiba, and other components by other companies.
Sony, Panasonic, Epson, Texas Instruments and others also supply components for other companies, so I hardly think the optical companies are limited with respect to the hardware available to them.
Two polarizers: how much light loss there is?
Sounds like a good idea which is really not needed. And even less in the future with ever sharper sensors.
No polarizers: one layer that rotates polarization, different from a polarizing filter that blocks light of a certain polarization.
I think AA filters don't make sense anymore. Just have small enough sensels to be past Nyquist for any lens and do analog/digital reduction in resolution. Easy. As I account for Bayer filters, a 5um sensel is at Nyquist for a lens resolving 50lppmm -- which few do corner-to-corner. 5um is just 14MP APS-C, or 36MP FF -- i.e., the D800. A little higher sensel count just makes the AA issue disappear.
The D7100 pixels are 3.9 um. That's the major reason it doesn't suffer from lack of an AA filter.
Interesting because if the pixel size on the D800 doesnt really need a AA filter allready then if the rumor about 54 meg it certainly wouldnt need ANY AA filter so why bother with a variable one at all? Unless there wont be a 54 meg camera at all but just another 36 meg one, humm?
If a sensor does video by sampling just some pixels, rather than reading all and combining, then a variable AA filter makes sense. Sony has been putting LOTS of readout channels on their sensors, but perhaps Nikon found a new sensor vendor that doesn't have sufficient bandwidth for full reads at video rates?
It seems to be nice but what about the weight would be that of the D800 or D700 .I prefer them a bit lighter as I can use more heavier sharper lenses. The lighter the better for travelling.
Do you really think you'll notice the weight of an AA filter?? It'll be less than the weight of a larger diameter lens cap!
Nigel I am not saying that the filter will effect the weight of the camera but the camera that will be introduced with this filter for eg D900 will be the same weight of th D800
Why Ivan, there is no reason to think that at all! Why not a mirrorless camera or point & shoot?
The image quality is not the same I ve got the v1 and it is not the same as the D700/800 Fx vs cx. I have back problem that's why I am very concern about the weight as the they reduced weight from D700to D800 and I wish that they either leave the same weight of the D800 or else make it lighter. Leica are far lighter. A friend of mine got it and it is clear and lighter but no af
What I was suggesting was that maybe Nikon will produce a large(er) sensor mirrorless one day in the future.
I've just switched from a Canon 6D to an EOS M for a similar reason (climbing mountains). There is a slight reduction in image size & resolution, but depth of field is better for my work. Overall, it's a better compromise for me. The lenses are the biggest difference where weight is concerned.
I wish the tech was able to actually adjust the strength of the AA filter.
Still, a very exciting development.
Unnecessary complication I guess; just one more thing that can break down and that costs extra money...right software can do same trick just fine and most people (who can afford such camera) probably already have it.
Actually, you want to quash moiré at the source ... software has no clue as to what image created the values on a given spot on the sensor. Of course, if you are diffraction limited, you no longer need an AA filter (you've effectively got one!)
Personally, I'd rather have it "in or out" selectable (flip up like the mirror?) than have several more layers in front of the sensor.
Less time editing = more time shooting.
Good idea, probably not suited to cameras used in varying temperatures, LC properties will change with temperature, causing AA control failure.
Outstanding. You'll be able to see all those oil spots on the sensor really clearly now. ;-)
It may require oil change every 25k shots ;)
Nikon, please also take away the mirror (and it's surrounding mechanism - that needs oil)... - and expensive.
Interesting to see who will be the first to present a full frame sensor mirrorless system camera (I don't count Leica, because of the prices!)
Sony is just behind the corner...
I'm not in the least sure that I understood the principle correctly, but wouldn't such a device, no matter to what specific setting it was configured in a specific moment of time, always somehow act like a polarizing filter screwed onto the lens, procducing more or less unnatural images?
It's Nikon so you have a nice green color cast anyway.
No, this is not a polarizing filter, that filters out light that is polarized in a certain direction. It just changes the polarization angle of all incoming light.
I was wondering if this was going to happen... awesome it is.
sounds need in theory, but if Nikon needs as long as a D16-85 VR f4 to take this in production, the design is absolete before we can see it working in a actual real camera.
Soon the mirrorles cameras will take over.
And this idea can't work in a mirror less camera because....?
bla bla bla
Yeah sure mirrorless cameras are going to take over just as soon as vendors figure out how to sell them in large quantities. Right now, they aren't exactly flying off the shelves.
But poor sales is only a minor sticking point for mirrorless cheerleaders.
A little more crispness in my D800 files would be a bonus but I can't help thinking that the effect of every additional translucent layer and surface placed between the subject and image is increasingly detrimental, especially to saturation and dynamic range.
Improved saturation, dynamic range and contrast have the effect of improving clarity and therefore also contribute to the impression of sharpness and resolution
James, as a recent D800 users but a long time Nikon user I've found that turning up the sharpening on my D800 to 5 results in a sharper image. However, it's a compromise, I must first process my images in either ViewNX2 or NX2 which I'm happy to do. On a personal experience level I find that shooting raw the file never appears overly sharp, just enough to make the difference.
Using Lightroom or another RAW converter I don't find the same output. With some other software applying sharpening later seems sometimes to create oddities which then require yet more time to correct.One thing I will say about D800 raw files, they're enormous. Couple that with a computer system not set up for speed added to software that's actually slow (NX2) and you're in it for the long haul! Me, I need a better speedier computer but still prefer processing my RAW files through Nikon software.
Stronger AA for reducing moiré in video???
This is as ridiculous as it gets. Take a lesson from the Panasonic GH2 and their like and do some serious binning instead of heavily subsampling the sensor. :P
Subsampling requires far more powerful hardware than currently available at, say, Nikon. For example, with the 41 Mpixel sensor of the Nokia 808, the bandwidth is some 1 Gbps.
No wonder very few cameras (GH2 to a certain degree, Nokia 808, Nokia Lumia 1020) use true subsampling when shooting video.
All in all, a configurable, video-friendly (that is, one that can be configured to be VERY strong) AA filter is definitely welcome.
If Nikon and Canon are struggling with 2k video, imagine what will happen when 4k and 8k video comes. The future belongs to the electronics companies: Sony, Panasonic and Samsung.
Subsampling doesn NOT require more powerful hardware. Subsampling is a CONSEQUENCE of less powerful hardware otherwise Nikon would be using data from the whole sensor to create video frames and not reading one line out of every N (subsampling).
What the GH2 and other Panasonics do is bin pixels together before they are read out so that the bandwidth is reduced before the readout process starts. If you bin groups of 4 pixels you'll reduce the readout bandwidth by a factor of 4. You will also get a 2EV gain in PSNR and an order of magnitude less moiré.
That is the Panasonic advantage, and that's also why the GH2 trumps the likes of EOS 5D Mk n as far as detail is concerned.
Is it useful at all? As of today, a D800E resolution is very difficult to make out unless you use very expensive lenses.
I think the weakest link in the chain is the quality of not so expensive lenses.
this tech will make sense in a 10000$ camera for professionals who do big prints.
However, for the 2000-3000$ buyer this tech will be useless as most of them will not own lenses which can take advantage of no AA filter.
Unless lens tech advances so that quality comes at an affordable price, this is not so useful.
Come to think of it, 50 year old lenses have similar quality to todays lenses optically.
You've answered your own criticism. Nikkor H series and AI lenses are available at very reasonable prices. The ones that I own (24, 28 (H), 50 and 35-70mm) out-resolve the D800 sensor. These lenses even out-resolve the Nikon 1 sensor.
Neat idea... looking forward to see how it works under real life conditions...
Just one more reason to charge more $$$, we need sensors with more DR!
Greatly needed by the 12MP FF of years ago but not so much today. What baffles me are MF cameras that didn't have such filters especially with their bigger pixels and larger lenses. Anyway, still a good patent that might be useful.
Exactly - one of my biggest gripes of the 12MP sensor in my D700 was the heavy AA filter. Many times I would have loved to been able to turn it off completely. I really think this may be more focused on video applications with high MP sensors, but we'll see.
Nikon also has a patent on using a special lens element to act as an AA filter - I wonder what will happen to that technology.
The original 5D fared the same. As full frame, it supposed to have sharper pictures. Yet, as you have said, it is not necessary all the time such as landscapes and nature photos.
Now, we can get away without it, thanks to the megapixel race and zoom lenses.
call me a pessimist but it just sounds like something else to go wrong within a camera. Don't get me wrong it is an exciting and ground breaking development. i just keep thinking of all those old cars we see with hardly any electronics and the newer modern cars that are continually developing problems in their electrics.
On the other hand if we fear failures within evolution we would still be riding horses today.
True we need to evolve, i've just learn't never to buy a product as soon as its out let others find the flaws and problems.
Or not even that... the horses can die, bite, and kick you off...
I agree entirely with this statement.
One more thing to go wrong, more complexity within the optical path to degrade image quality, one more menu setting or switch on the camera to confuse you.
In the old days, you could pick up just about any film SLR and you would automatically know how to use it, you would know exactly what every lever and knob does. Camera manufacturers should concentrate on simplifying and making the controls more intuitive rather than piling on more features and settings.
Just my opinion.
Or the alternative view...in the old days, you didn't have the choice.
You can do the same with digital once you've set it to your liking. Just because you can adjust something, doesn't mean you have to.
A small but worthwhile evolution it would be.
Though i still don't see any need, by miles, to give my D800 more resolution as it is. What a beast :)
it's not about res, but extra sharpness, no ?
"it's not about res, but extra sharpness, no ?"
And also lack of moire / aliasing in videos - something DSRL's are suffering from ATM...
A novel approach but how log will we wait for this to come out ? And will it be just another one of those patents that Nikon has but we are yet to see anything of..?
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As a veteren of dozens of STYX shows, there performance at Billy Bob's Saturday night was as good as I expected, and offered a couple of surprises. The current line up of Tommy Shaw (guitar vocals), James (JY) Young guitar vocals), Laurance Gowan (key board, vocals), Ricky Philips (bass) and Todd Sucherman (drums)seem to be a tight group of players, and seem to work well together on stage, which wasn't always the case when the band featured Dennis DeYoung on keyboards and vocals. This group is without a doubt a working band, and has started to develope a hard core fan bass that has connected with this group of guys and see them time and time again. No one in the group seated near me had seen the band less than a dozen time and one woman was watching her 87th show, while when Tommy Shaw asked the crowd how many people were seeing STYX for the first time the applause was very scattered.
With their loyal fan bass in place the band hit the stage with Blue collar Man, and preformed hit after hit with the energy of twenty years ago, and the precision the years have given them. After playing songs like Renegade night after night for thousands of shows, it is amazing how the guys keep it and all the other tunes fresh, not only last night but every night they play.
Shaw's voice is till great, and while Gowan is no DeYoung (no one is) he does an adiquate job with vocals on lady, Madame Blue, etc. JY has fun with Miss America, Snowblind, and last night did a great job singing Loelei. Ricky Philips is a good bass player who doesn't stand in the back ground and peck away on his bass. He is an active participant in the over all show and seems to be well liked by his band mates. Todd Sucherman's drumming is simply excellent. Part of the reason for the loyal following may be that these guys are all likeable and while there has to be egoes on the stage they aren't apparent.
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Cardiff City battled out a hard-fought 1-0 win over West Bromich Albion in the Barclays Premier League on Saturday.
Both sides came into the game short of form, resulting in a scrappy first half which lacked chances at the Cardiff City Stadium. The hosts seized the initiative after the break and took the lead through Peter Whittingham's header from a fine cross by Craig Noone, who was making his first Barclays Premier League start.
Cardiff made three changes from last week's defeat at Crystal Palace, including the recall of Peter Odemwingie against his former club, while West Brom reinstated Jonas Olsson and Shane Long to their side.
After Boaz Myhill tipped Whittingham's free-kick away, Gary Medel lashed an effort over the crossbar as the home side settled into the game quickly, however neither goalkeeper was fully tested. Steven Caulker slashed wide from close range after Olsson failed to deal with a corner, while the defender had to be alert to deny Gareth McAuley from Chris Brunt's swirling set-piece.
The heavens opened during half-time, making conditions tricky, but the Bluebirds began the second period strongly and Odemwingie blasted over as the West Midlands side dithered on the edge of their own box. The visitors had a superb chance to score in the 56th minute as Morgan Amalfitano squared to Claudio Yacob, whose mis-hit fell kindly for McAuley, but the Northern Ireland defender was denied on the line by a combination of Medel and goalkeeper David Marshall.
Malky Mackay's side broke the deadlock on 65 minutes, Noone swinging a great ball in from the right and Whittingham directing his header beyond Myhill.
West Brom substitutes Scott Sinclair and Saido Berahino combined well out wide with the latter's cross somehow evading his team-mates in the box. Steve Clarke's side threatened again soon after, McAuley heading across the face of goal, before Marshall rescued the result with a magnificent reaction save to keep out Long's firm header.
The win moves Malkay's side four points clear of the relegation zone, and above West Brom.
Cardiff manager Malky Mackay: "It was an important win for us against a team who are around about us in the league. A clean sheet and a real good performance. I said to the boys at half-time to just have patience and grind them down, and we deserve it on the balance of play."
West Brom head coach Steve Clarke: "It's been a frustrating couple of weeks. I don't think the performance was so bad that we deserved to lose the game but at the moment that's the run we're in. Over the course of the game we created enough chances to score. At the moment, when we defend well, like we did today, we still concede the goal which came from nowhere, really. Sometimes when you're in a bad moment these things happen. We're all hurting but the only solution is to work harder."
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Check out the brand new episode from North Kiteboarding! Can't stop the pop, won't stop the riding. For 2015 we've created a Vegas so good it's addictive. Our most influential Wakestyle Team Riders took an epic road trip down the west coast of America, starting off with a rail riding jam in Hood River, finishing off with a memorable session under the Golden Gate Bridge, San Francisco.
A view from across the pond – Colleen Carroll
Colleen Carroll is a pint sized bombshell from the US who joined North Kiteboarding last year. For those of you unfamiliar of her, don't let appearances fool you, she rides hard! Often found hanging out at cable parks around the world honing her skills on the features, she dominated at the Triple S last year and is on a mission to do the same again this year. We caught up with Colleen to find out what she's been up to and what her take on kiteboarding from 'across the pond' is.
"I've been travelling, kiting, spending lots of time at the cable park and in general loving life!
Seeing other people on the water pushing their riding really inspires me to go for harder tricks or to try out a new one. It also helps that our sport is so fun. I never have the feeling that I'm lacking motivation when I'm at a kite spot. If its windy and the water looks nice, I'm in!"
When asked how she sees the progression of the female side of the sport, she say's; "progression is kicking ass these days! In the last year I've seen and met many female riders who are really pushing their personal limits as well as those of women's kiteboarding as a whole. I'm curious as to when we'll see the first double pass landed..."
As a Team Rider it is always interesting to get an 'insiders' perspective on the North Range and more specifically for women and Colleen's style of riding: "Firstly the North Kiteboarding range is huge. There is definitely something for everybody in there whether it's sliders, freestyle, speed, hang-time, or waves. Whatever fuels your fire. More specifically, the North range offers the perfect setup for me and I think any girl can find what she needs. The performance, safety, and durability are all time on the North kites so I don't really know what more you could ask for! My perfect set up is a 9m Vegas on 22 meter lines with 136 Gambler and North Kiteboarding boots. Also need my ION sol harness and of course a lovely Sensi Graves bikini. If the wind is a smooth 20kts, the water butter flat, and there is a feature to session, I am in utter heaven!"
A well known rider on the American Kite scene she has never made it across the pond to test out some of Europe's hotspots, but she is adamant that she will be making the trip this summer. Inquisitive to find out how she felt about riding for a European brand and whether it has influenced her view on the sport, she said: " Our first kites as a family were North kites and the brand has always had such a strong presence in the Hood River/Seattle kite spots that I guess I've never really felt it was foreign. However, working more closely with a European brand, it has shown me how much bigger and more mature the industry is 'across the pond."
Looking to the future, she admits that it is best to be flexible when trying to make plans materialise, but that a trip to Europe is on the cards and that her main goal and sights are set on the Triple S Invitational, Cape Hatteras. "I was really lucky last year and came out on top. I have a feeling I'll see even more competition this year on the girls side so I'm feeling a bit of pressure to up my game." And up her game she did!
Colleen was crowned the women's Triple S Champion 2014. Never taking her eyes of the prize she dominated the field securing a 1st in Slicks and Sliders, and 3rd in the Surf putting her 1st Overall. Her performance in the Slicks was solid, with two clean runs and stomping technical moves such as Back to Wrapped. A day in the Surf saw her dialling some stylish grabs and unhooked moves off the kickers, scoring well with the judges. In the Slider discipline, she cruised through the heats with clean hits across the park. A stylish front side 180 tail press to blind across the flat bar put her in the Finals. She said;
"All of the girls were riding really solid and it was made even more intense having mixed heats and riding with the boys. I'm incredibly happy that I advanced through to the Finals with the North boys."
That's a wrap! The 2014 Venyu Triple S invitational comes to an end
An amazing week of kiteboarding has come to an end here at Real Watersports, Cape Hatteras, and as riders pack their boardbags to head to their next destination, it's safe to say that the 2014 Venyu Triple S Invitational was a huge success!
The crème de la crème of wakestyle kiteboarders gathered to take on the Surf, Slicks and Sliders and there is no doubt that the did it in style. North Kiteboarding Team Rider Colleen Carroll never took her eyes of the prize taking 1st in Slicks and Sliders, and 3rd in the Surf putting her 1st Overall. Aaron Hadlow (UK) dominated in the Slicks giving him 1st in the discipline and placing him 3rd Overall.
North Kiteboarding Rider Tom Court, (UK) a bit of a Triple S regular was there for his sixth year, put in a great performance in the Surf discipline, taking 3rd place on the podium. Sam Light (¼ of the Freeride Project) took 2nd, leaving Aaron Hadlow to 1st place. The boys were stoked to have an all UK podium, showing the Americans that they too are pushing wakestyle riding across the pond.
The closing ceremony saw $40,000 being split amongst the riders and a big party to send off the riders to their next destination...Until next year!
Men's Surf:
1st Aaron Hadlow (UK)
2nd Sam Light (UK)
3rd Tom Court (UK)
Men's Slicks:
1st Aaron Hadlow (UK)
2nd Brandon Scheid (USA)
3rd Rick Jensen (DEU)
Men's Sliders:
1st Sam Light (GBR)
2nd Brandon Scheid (USA)
3rd Chad Worrall (USA)
Men's Overall:
1st Sam Light (UK)
2nd Brandon Scheid (USA)
3rd Aaron Hadlow.(UK)
Women's Surf:
1st Victoria Soloveykina (RUS)
2nd Hope Levin
3rd Colleen Carroll (USA)
Women's Slicks:
1st Colleen Carroll (USA)
2nd Victoria Soloveykina (RUS)
3rd Hope Levin
Women's' Sliders:
1st Colleen Carrol (USA)
2nd Claire Lutz (USA)
3rd Sensi Graves (USA)
Women's' Overall:
1st Colleen Carroll (USA)
2nd Victoria Soloveykina (RUS)
3rd Hope Levin (RUS)
Best Session:
Aaron Hadlow (Slick Session)
Rookie Of The Year:
Tobias Holter (Standout in Sliders and Slicks)
Best Wipeout:
Mary Lacroix Samson (for a MASSIVE crash in the Surf, unhooking off a HUGE wave and pulling a large kite loop).
Slickstyle Attitude:
Brian Smith
Big Waves, Big Winds, sees Triple S riders go Big!
The South West winds delivered big conditions for Day 5 of the Triple S Invitational. Following the round up of the Slicks Finals held in the morning, riders, judges and spectators moved south, to Cape Hatteras.
Riders were judged on their kicker hits for the Surf discipline, and with the ocean delivering juicy ramps it was an impressive spectacle. A solid 30 knts of wind meant everyone was lit on 5m and 7m Kites and was not for the faint hearted.
As the women's heat got underway, it was clear to see which riders had more experience in such testing conditions. NKB Team Rider Colleen Carroll chose a 6m Dice, a kite with great performance in strong winds. Settling into the heat, riders searched for ramps to hit and as time passed, confidence built throughout the girls with stylish grabs and unhooked moves scoring high with the judges.
With wind and waves still building, the men hit the water. Currents ripped down the coast making it hard to stay up wind and a disaster if anyone crashed their kite. Craig Cunningham unfortunately missed out on making the finals but put in a good performance dialling in a Shifty to Wrapped and Back Mobe. Tom Court, on a 7m Vegas breezed through to the finals with a Crow Mobe, Tootsie Roll and Toe Side 5.
Speaking to Aaron Hadlow he said, "It was really challenging and hard to find the kicker you needed. The conditions were unpredictable but still fun to ride and see what was possible to achieve"
The results will be announced this evening at the closing ceremony. Be sure to check out the video from the Surf discipline here http://www.triplesinvitational.com/on-demand/2014/day-5-highlights/
North Kiteboarding Team Riders style out in the Slicks at the Triple S Invitational
The Slicks discipline makes up one third of the Triple S Invitational at REAL Watersports, Cape Hatteras. Following an outstanding day on the Sliders, riders gathered to wait for the wind which lacked some punch. Late afternoon, the light winds had built enough for the Women's heats to start and rigging 14m's, competition got underway.
The Slope Style format for the event sees riders going one at a time, giving them the chance to do their four best tricks, two regular and two goofy.
North Kiteboarding Rider Colleen Carroll (US) dominated across all disciplines last year but this year, it seemed that she was going to have tough competition from Russian rider Victoria Soloveykina who landed a big KGB. With Colleen putting in two clean runs, with technical moves such as Back to Wrapped it will be a close call for the judges who will be announcing the results tonight.
Wind built throughout the early evening allowing the mens heats to kick off. Craig put points on the sheet with a Shifty to Wrapped while Tom Court had seamless runs, landing a variety of moves such as a Slim Chance, Double S-Bend to Blind, Crow Mobe and a 315 making him a contender for the final. Unfortunately, night fell and the last two mens heats were unable to be run and were postponed until the following day.
A 9am start to finish the Slicks discipline was greeted by 30knts of wind, leaving the boys to rig 7m, and test their skills in polar opposite conditions from the day before. As the riders for the Final hit the water, Aaron Hadlow truly showed how unstoppable he is unleashing big tricks such as a Crow Mobe 5, Blind Judge 5 and Back Mobe 5.
Watch the video here http://www.triplesinvitational.com/on-demand/2014/video-day-4-slicks-highlights/ and check out the Triple S website for more info. http://www.triplesinvitational.com


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Fernando Alonso believes Mercedes will "be strong" at this weekend's Monaco GP as the layout suits their cars.
Nico Rosberg and Lewis Hamilton have secured pole position for the last three seasons but failed to turn any into a victory as their W04 struggled for race-pace on its Pirelli tyres.
This weekend's Monaco race, though, is a completely different story.
Given the nature of the track and the lack of high speeds, tyre wear is lessened which could play into the hands of the Mercedes duo.
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On Saturday 15 September, Sir Mervyn King, Governor of the Bank of England visited Soho House, once residence of the world-famous industrialist Matthew Boulton to officially mark the site's reopening following the recent refurbishment.
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