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News about Productivity, including commentary and archival articles published in The New York Times.
Chronology of Coverage
Sep. 28, 2014
The Upshot; Sendhil Mullainathan Economic View column contends that policy makers often ignore personal anxieties about productivity among workers; relates study undertaken by him and his colleagues showing that many workers will voluntarily submit to stricter standards in order to improve their productivity; argues that if productivity revolution could be achieved if knowledge about worker psychology was correctly implemented. MORE
Sep. 28, 2014
Op-Ed article by writer Anna Della Subin examines why procrastination is framed as an individual, personal deficiency instead of as part of modern culture's canonization of productivity; questions why procrastination is not viewed as act of resistance against strictures of time and productivity imposed by culture at large. MORE
Aug. 9, 2014
Labor Dept says productivity increased at 2.5 percent annual rate in second quarter 2014, after contracting at revised 4.5 percent pace in first quarter. MORE
Jul. 22, 2014
The Upshot; news analysis observes that five years into economic recovery, investment by American businesses in equipment, software and facilities remains below its pre-recession levels relative to overall economy; observes that capital spending improves worker productivity, and worker productivity leads to better living standards. MORE
Jul. 13, 2014
Filipe Campante and David Yanagizawa-Drott Gray Matter column presents question of whether religion, specifically practice of religious rituals, impacts economic growth; describes study examining effect of holy month of Ramadan on economics; says study suggests that Ramadan depresses economic activity, in effect making people poorer, but that event also makes them happier. MORE
Jun. 22, 2014
Steven Rattner Op-Ed article contends that many naysayers throughout history have proclaimed that new waves of technological innovation will render workers idle; notes that technology has historically created new jobs and greater efficiency; maintains that United States should embrace new technologies, while educating and training Americans to perform skilled jobs that cannot be performed by workers in other countries. MORE
Jun. 22, 2014
Advanced technological tools like smart software and cheap sensors are making it possible to measure and monitor employees as never before, with promise of fundamentally changing how people work; prospect of fine-grained, digital monitoring of workers' behavior are also raising concerns about privacy and specter of unchecked surveillance in the workplace. MORE
Jun. 1, 2014
Op-Ed article by Tony Schwartz, chief executive of The Energy Project, and Prof Christine Porath describes their company's research to determine what influences people's engagement and productivity at work; contends that companies must put their employees first, even above customers, as they are the key to creating long-term value. MORE
May. 17, 2014
Alina Tugend Shortcuts column; experts say fears of losing jobs, or 'perceived job insecurity,' hangs over many workplaces, even as immediate impact of recession, including widespread buyouts and layoffs, may be fading; perception often leads to wide-ranging negative effects on workers and companies alike. MORE
May. 8, 2014
Labor Dept says worker productivity fell at its fastest pace in a year in the first quarter of 2014 as harsh winter weather restrained output, leading to jump in labor-related production costs; productivity declined at a 1.7 percent annual rate, biggest drop since first quarter of 2013. MORE
Mar. 20, 2014
Farhad Manjoo State Of The Art column counters common wisdom that two computer monitors allow for more productivity than a single one; relates personal experiment with reverting to a single monitor, saying it reduced distraction and allowed him to focus on the task at hand; notes his finding is backed by research on attention spans. MORE
Feb. 2, 2014
Sendhil Mullainathan Economic View column contends that Americans' lack of rest is hurting productivity and thus the wider economy; says people need to get more sleep, which will ultimately help improve the gross domestic product. MORE
Aug. 4, 2013
Adam Davidson It's the Economy column says billable hours, in which professionals charge for their services by units of time, no longer make economic sense since an hour does not accurately measure productivity; notes accountant Jason Blumer got rid of billable hours in order to focus on projects that require specialized, valuable insight. MORE
Jul. 14, 2013
Phyllis Korkki Workstation column asserts that the humble to-do list, planned and executed wisely, can be a goad to productivity; cautions not to let wishful thinking govern its length. MORE
May. 3, 2013
Commerce Department reports that the United States trade deficit narrowed to $38.83 billion in March, 11 percent drop from $43.6 billion February, as daily flow of crude oil dropped to lowest level in 17 years; Labor Department reports only marginal growth in productivity for American workers in first quarter. MORE
Apr. 21, 2013
Phyllis Korkki Workstation column discusses motivation and deadlines; suggests that if one tends to procrastinate, he or she might consider setting deadlines that have tough consequences if missed. MORE
Mar. 31, 2013
Profile of organizational psychologist and professor Adam Grant, who argues in his new book Give and Take: A Revolutionary Approach to Success that the key to hyper-efficiency is tirelessly helping others. MORE
Mar. 8, 2013
Op-Ed article by Prof Jennifer Glass contends decision by Yahoo chief executive Marisa Mayer to ban telecommuting is based on outdated idea that companies get most out of their employees by limiting their autonomy. MORE
Mar. 3, 2013
Preoccupations column features Smule Inc executive Prerna Gupta challenging traditional idea that workers are always most productive when in the office. MORE
Feb. 24, 2013
Phyllis Korkki Workstation column cites research showing that complaining by employees can be helpful, even necessary, but that it can also become toxic; holds that best workplaces are marked by openness to respectful complaint. MORE
Feb. 10, 2013
Op-Ed article by Tony Schwartz, chief executive officer of The Energy Project, highlights new and growing body of multidisciplinary research that shows that taking breaks during work day boosts productivity, job performance and health; notes that he has created business around principle of working less in order to work more efficiently. MORE
Jan. 30, 2013
Thomas L Friedman Op-Ed column expresses hope that Pres Obama will be able to devote more attention to figuring out how government can play role in helping individuals adapt to hyperconnected world, which has both increased productivity and raised considerable obstacles for full employment. MORE
Jan. 1, 2013
Some companies are adopting policies aimed at weaning employees from their smartphones and other electronic devices; move is aimed at improving productivity during work day by encouraging employees to disconnect during off hours. MORE
Dec. 28, 2012
Paul Krugman Op-Ed column asserts that long-term economic projections coming out of federal government are based on conventional wisdom that does not fully grasp the complexities of the information technology revolution, and makes fundamentally faulty assumptions about future productivity and income inequality; holds that an alternative vision for economic policy is critically needed. MORE
Dec. 16, 2012
Eilene Zimmerman Career Couch column holds that with proper organization and time management, working from home can be as productive as working at an office. MORE
Oct. 7, 2012
Professionals are often judged by their companies by the amount of time they spend at the office, but that gauge can be at odds with workplace efficiency; general ways are discussed on how professionals across all industries can improve their efficiency. MORE
Sep. 9, 2012
Phyllis Korkki Workstation column contends that many office workers, though surrounded by computer terminals, still have practical reasons for using pen and paper in their daily tasks; posits reading and writing on paper serves a function that a screen cannot replicate. MORE
Aug. 19, 2012
Op-Ed article by Jason Fried, co-founder and CEO of software company 37signals, describes how his company takes into account the seasons in designing its work schedule; contends that a dynamic work schedule increases productivity. MORE
Aug. 12, 2012
Admisha Padnani Workstation column observes that listening to music at work with headphones can often help people become more productive and creative; holds, however, that it is best to set some limits. MORE
Jul. 15, 2012
Phyllis Korkki Workstation column observes that creating the time and space for employees to take breaks as a group can improve morale and raise productivity. MORE
Jul. 14, 2012
Floyd Norris Off the Charts column notes that while unemployment is not improving, index of total working hours is on the rise, meaning those who are employed have more money to spend; holds that such spending could eventually lead to an uptick in hiring. MORE
Jul. 14, 2012
Some companies are realizing that workers who are asked to stay in constant smartphone contact become burnt out and less productive; sociologists contend that even small breaks from connectivity can significantly improve performance and job satisfaction. MORE
Jul. 1, 2012
Jenna Wortham Bits column contends the Internet offers many distractions, but sometimes losing herself in the Web can be invigorating; points out that instead of needing to turn off the noise of the Web, she often uses the distractions to calm her nerves so she can finish her work. MORE
Jun. 17, 2012
Phyllis Korkki Workstation column cites a growing body of evidence showing that taking regular breaks from mental tasks improves productivity and creativity--and that skipping breaks can lead to stress and exhaustion. MORE
May. 27, 2012
Op-Ed article by Tim Jackson, a professor of sustainable development, questions whether the pursuit of labor productivity has reached its limit; suggests that abandoning an insistence on increasing productivity would improve the quality of many people's lives, and might make more jobs available. MORE
May. 20, 2012
Complaints about noise and lack of privacy are proliferating as many businesses transition from cubicles to open-office designs; design firms are adapting to criticisms by installing white noise machines and other devices; some managers have found that the open-office format is largely distracting, and does not foster the creative collaboration it was intended to bring about. MORE
Mar. 18, 2012
Workers have a dizzying number of tools, the sheer number of which can instill a sort of paralysis and undermine the ability to get things done; a good strategy for staying focused is to create a structure to capture, clarify and organize all those forces, and to ensure time and space for thinking, reflecting and decision making. MORE
Mar. 18, 2012
Natasha Singer Slipstream column on company Minds at Work, which guides executives through structured exercises that can help them stop undermining their own goals through self-examination and behavioral change. MORE
Mar. 18, 2012
Some companies, in an effort to improve productivity, are offering concierge services as perks to their employees, who may be too busy at work for tasks like arranging for a plumber or booking a vacation. MORE
Feb. 26, 2012
Phyllis Korkki Workstation column discusses procrastination in the workplace; cites experts who say there are ways to overcome the habit, even in an age of more expectations, less time and fewer resources. MORE
Jan. 29, 2012
Phyllis Korkki Workstation column discusses loneliness in the workplace; notes researchers have found that workplace loneliness hurts both individuals and the entire operation by reducing productivity; discusses tips for helping colleagues or oneself out of loneliness. MORE
Nov. 20, 2011
Eileen Zimmerman Career Couch column discusses strategies to help maintain, or regain, concentration at work. MORE
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When Should Your Workday Start?
A new study suggests work is cutting into our sleep. So should we start coming in later?
December 22, 2014, Monday
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The Decline of Orchestras
Dan Coleman, a composer, writes that "it is a symptom of static productivity in the performing arts."
December 5, 2014, Friday
MORE ON PRODUCTIVITY AND: Classical Music , Productivity , Economic Conditions and Trends
Office Cubicles Are the Worst
Readers complain about loss of privacy and rising blood pressure.
November 27, 2014, Thursday
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In France, New Review of 35-Hour Workweek
The Socialist government is rethinking a law that was meant to create jobs but lately has been criticized for adding to the country's economic woes.
November 27, 2014, Thursday
MORE ON PRODUCTIVITY AND: France , Working Hours , Hollande, Francois , Europe , Labor and Jobs , Productivity
No More Stalling. Am I Going to Lay Off Workers or Not?
We're still losing money, but we ran the numbers on the total costs of doing a layoff — and here's what we found.
November 12, 2014, Wednesday
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The Pitfalls of Productivity
Advice for getting more done in less time has become ubiquitous, but some people are questioning its value.
October 16, 2014, Thursday
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Looking at Productivity as a State of Mind
Policy makers often fret that worker productivity isn't growing fast enough. And each of us also worries about individual productivity.
September 28, 2014, Sunday
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How to Stop Time
We will never stop dawdling. So why should we feel guilty about it?
September 28, 2014, Sunday
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America Out of Whack
Why aren't the rewards of economic growth distributed more fairly?
September 24, 2014, Wednesday
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One Big Unhappy Economy
Global growth that is "job-rich and inclusive" is possible in theory; politically, not so much.
September 20, 2014, Saturday
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You don't get it because it's fallacious. Taking less hits is taking less hits. Many talk about "avoidance tanks will have lower hp". The difference just isn't that big.
In EH versus avoidance discussions I often see the argument that avoidance gives spiky damage.
But what is spiky damage?
You could say that the damage for a tank that avoids 75% versus a tank that avoids 50% is less predictable.
On the other hand the high avoidance tank will take exponentially less "connected hits" with more avoidance so less really big damage spikes of 2-3 or 4 consecutive hits. Which you could also call spiky.
While I fully understand the other arguments for going effective health (worst case scenario, unavoidable damage), I don't really get the "spiky damage" one.
You don't get it because it's fallacious. Taking less hits is taking less hits. Many talk about "avoidance tanks will have lower hp". The difference just isn't that big.
Lets put a boss hitting 10 times 2 seconds apart for 10K as our baseline
Now lets have a 50% avoidance tank he would on average avoid 5 hits and take 5 hits .. so his damge to him is 50K and he avoided 50K of damage.
Now lets have a tank who has armour that reduces hits by 50% his armour resists 50% of each hit so drops 5K off each hit so he takes 50K damage and his armour absorbs 50K.
The two tanks are identical right??? They both require to heal 50K in 20 seconds don't they.
Imagine the avoidance tanks 5 hits all came in a row the healers actually have to heal the 50K in 10 seconds not 20 seconds .... Thus they are called spikey.
The avoidance tank is based around averages and as hit sizes became big in relation to a tanks HP its hard to not get smashed by the random number generator throwing up multiple hits in a row.
The other area they arent equal is if the tank is stunned, hit from behind etc the avoidance disappears (you avoid nothing) .. armour and HP are there all the time no matter what.
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Spiky is used in regards to healing as well. Take two tanks. Tank A has 50k HP and 55% avoidance excluding block. Tank B has 45k HP and 75% avoidance excluding block. These values are buffed and random, don't compare to an armory. Also this is hypothetically new content, a progression fight.
Tank A - Takes more damage overall but the stream of damage coming in is steady and predictable. Healers are spamming large heals in a rotation, heals are landing every 0.5 seconds or so. There is little overhealing because usually the tank has lost some HP between the cast and the landing of the heal.
Tank B - Takes slightly less damage overall but due to the randomness of avoidance and the RNG, the damage is less predictable. Healers are spamming large heals in a rotation, heals are landing every 0.5 seconds or so. There's much overhealing in this instance, and if you argue that healers should be canceling heals or healing re-actively, you must enjoy running back.
Now let's add this scenario, 2 healers get killed in a fire, 1 is healing a DPS who stood in it as well, and the tank drops low, the tank with 50k survived a 5k hit with 1k left and time to get a heal off, while the tank with 45k dropped like rock and cost you a 10 gold repair bill and 10 minutes of your life you'll never get back.
Edit: Let me add again, this is for progression fights. When you are farming an instance weekly, go ahead and take more avoidance if you want to give the healers a break. The hard part is over and your raid is used to the fight by now.
Last edited by Dreadski; 01-06-2010 at 05:55 AM. Reason: Added stuff
spikey damage is a and momentary and rapid increase in Incoming DPS.
it could come from a late or missed ability use in a CD rotation, a Boss ability, an avoidance failure, a cat landing on your keyboard or just plain getting unluckey, basically anytime your healers turn round and say "WOAH! WTF just hit you"
spikey damage is what kills tanks.
You're not choosing between avoidance and armor offering equal reductions. If you were then the classic "spiky" complaint would be appropriate as you would take larger chunks of damage less frequently.
Usually "spiky" is a short-hand for saying "unpredictable." If the tank is frequently not taking damage, then suddenly will take damage, that is a "spike" even if it is not actually beyond the usual pale of damage taken.
The EH vs Avoidance argument is really a matter of perspective to healers/tanks based on the movement of your health bar.
You don't trade armor reduction for avoidance, you trade total health. So, if you have less health and more avoidance, it simulates the "spike" damage as your health bar will move more with each hit, even though you aren't actually taking harder hits. It is the non-numerical bar shifts that people tend to respond to more than actual damage taken numbers. The tank who stacks health obscenely will squeeze more numbers into the same length of color so each hit will appear to move the bar less.
You can't fault people for responding to the psychology of it, but the aspect that gets missed in that is that people have a tendency to focus on the fact that the tank's bar moves more as their metric for "takes more damage" and they don't see the part where their heals don't cover as much of the bar when they try to pick the tank back up.
If you have two tanks, both with the same armor, but one has 50k health and 25% avoidance, while the other has 25k health and 50% avoidance (using extremes to illustrate a point):
And we'll take a mitigated hit of 15k every 2 seconds, this is what the tanks will look like to a healer:
If all you see is the color bar move, tank B is taking WAY more damage, right?
If you consider how much they'll actually take, Tank A will only avoid 25%, so from 7500 potential dps taken (15k every 2 sec) he'll take 5625 dps.
Tank B will avoid 50%, so he will actually only take 3750 dps. Distinctly less than Tank A, but every time his health moves it will jump a larger portion of his bar. Even if it is less frequent, the perceptual psychology for the healer and the tank tends to favor the less scary nature of smaller bar moves, even when they're more constant, and the tank takes more damage overall.
This is allowed, supported by the current state of affairs where in most situations healer mana is not a concern, only healing output. So, many healers can/will just sit back and blindly spam heals on you if you're the tank. Taking less damage doesn't matter when being a mana sponge is not an issue.
It has not always been the case, won't be the case for that much longer (by Blizzard's stated design hopes), but for now, there is a popular movement that it is better to be a health sponge and appear to take less damage than it is to actually take less damage, and it is not unfounded or misguided.
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Absolutely what Satorri said.
And to continue with it, a lot of times having more hit points and squeezing more numbers into your bar gives you a bigger buffer and margin of error for healers. Lets say they get stunned or silenced and you're out a healer for a moment, or your pally has to devine plea, or the healers have to move, you need to be able to give the other healers a buffer so you survive while the silenced healer catches up, and imo you can't rely on the RNG that you'll just avoid the attacks. While healers do "mindlessly" spam heals like holy light, they do have to stop for moments to keep up judgements, or sometimes use divine plea, or sacred shield, or refresh their beacons, etc.
It's not that avoidance is bad, it's that it's a trade off, like satorri said. If you had two tanks, both with the same HPs and armor but one had more avoidance, then ya, the one with more avoidance would be optimal, the problem is if you get rid of that extra stam and buffer, then you're relying on RNG to not allow you to take 2 or 3 hits in a row.
Last night our holy pally was looking over our logs. He and one of our dps were looking through it and saw that at one point I took 2 hits within 1.5 seconds for a total of 51k damage, but I have almost 56k hps raid buffed, so I was able to survive it. If I had swapped out for avoidance trinkets, that would have given me 5% more avoidance, but I also took a total of 100k damage in a 5 second span around then. switching out those avoidance tinkrets would cause me to lose about 5k health, dropping me under the burst amount, and I would have died, and only would have had a 5% chance of not dying, where as because I stacked EHP I had 100% chance of staying alive because my damage was predictable and healable.
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The other thing to consider is "how" you reach said avoidance values. The reason that I prefer stam or armor trinkets over avoidance trinkets isn't only the extra EH value, but also because you already get a large amount of avoidance on your gear, which limits the overall effectiveness of the trinket due to diminishing returns. For example, I can give up almost 2k health to equip my Purified Onyxia Blood Talisman, which gives nearly a 1% increase to each avoidance stat, but a 3% avoidance increase at the cost of 5% of my health isn't necessarily worth it, especially since it's still a random variable. Especially for warriors, where avoidance values are generally lower because of our lack of Holy Shield (or whatever the 30% block rating is called), jacking up the avoidance values is going to mean significantly reducing our health pool. Most tanks (warriors particularly again, since we don't have that handy 30% shield uptime) are still sitting at around 50-60% avoidance in EH gear, just from stat gains on the armor. There's very little way to get a something like a 25% avoidance increase at the expense of only 5k health. To reach that much disparity, especially with DR in effect, there are going to be significant regemming, regearing, etc. in play, which will reduce your health by a good deal. Just swapping trinkets will likely get you from a 60% to a 63-65% avoidance at a cost of 5k health.
Another thing to consider is that a large part of avoidance (for warriors and paladins) is Block, which doesn't keep damage from coming in, but rather reduces it by a set amount. To do simple math (which is my favorite kind):
Tank A has 50k health and 50% damage reduction. He takes a hit for 50k damage, which is then cut in half. He takes 25k damage, and loses 50% of his health.
Tank B has 30k health, and 50% damage reduction. He takes a hit for 50k damage, and blocks 5k damage. He takes 20k damage, and loses 66% of his health.
And that's ASSUMING that the damage reduction rates from armor are the same between the two, which they likely are not. That's the basic problem with stacking avoidance, in that you generally have to sacrifice health to the point where when you don't dodge or parry the attack, and even if you block it, you're taking less damage, but it's a larger % of your total health pool.
That's why it seems "spiky" as the others have said, because when you do get hit, your taking less damage, but usually it's a larger % of your health pool, since you have less health (generally).
Last edited by Eravian; 01-06-2010 at 08:15 AM.
Block is NOT avoidance. >.> Stop calling it that.
That being said, I still think that warriors at least are better served stacking stamina, since even slotting in all dodge/defense/parry gems probably wouldn't raise my avoidance enough to make up for the amount of health that was lost. Now I doubt someone would go ALL avoidance gems, but you get my point. That being said, though, avoidance isn't bad either, and although I wouldn't gem for it exclusively, matching some sockets that have worthwhile bonuses with some avoidance is still a good idea. So I wouldn't avoid avoidance ;-), but between taking the stam on my armor and stacking avoidance gems or taking the avoidance on my armor and stacking stam gems, I'd rather do the latter.
Last edited by Eravian; 01-06-2010 at 10:27 AM.
Dots, EHP is better than avoidance because of the ways bosses are designed. Almost every tank-killer boss kills the tank with in a few seconds and usually with some unavoidable damage in there, think about how all of the dangerous bosses kill tanks.
Algalon: Can Burst down the tank down so quick and the healers have to move occasionally so there is always a chance you get insta-gimped. If you stack avoidance here you rely on RNG too much so you might as well give your self a bigger buffer for those situations.
Gormok: Kills you with a melee, Impale, Bleed combo. The only avoidable part of that combo is the melee so with avoidance you are relying on a melee dodge/parry/miss. When that melee hits which will happen eventually you will get burst down.
Marrowgar: Kills the tank by getting 3 hits in a row on a tank without heals. Again stacking avoidance here relys on RNG and when that situation happens and those melee hits will hit you eventually so you might as well give yourself a bigger buffer.
Don't get me wrong though avoidance is by no means a bad thing and if it comes down to a small portion of EH against loads of avoidance by all means take the avoidance it is just that EH relatively speaking is increased in value because there aren't any tank threats that kill a tank with a perfect 15k swing with a 2.4 swing timer with no other encounter mechanics to worry about.
Last edited by krc; 01-06-2010 at 07:31 PM.
This started out as a simple question about why are avoidance tanks called spikey and I gave an unrealistic example to simplify it down. Satorri gives probably a better example and also brings in the element that an avoidance tank will use less of a healers mana but the healing cant be blindly remotely spammed like on a EH tank. The fact is an avoidance tank still has armor and an EH tank still has avoidance its the quantities of each we are talking about.
The fact is while encounters have repetitive hits that are a massive proportion of a tank HP it doesn't favour avoidance tanks. What avoidance tanks want is alot of smaller hits and thats what blizz has promised in ICC so you will probably see the re-emergence of the avoidance tank.
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My point is that beyond those, 'EHP is better than avoidance' is too much of a generalization. I am not talking about full EHP vs full avoidance gemming/trinkets either, but rather the point at which you should gem for socket bonuses (+6 stamina in some cases, but probably not right now), change certain enchants like the choices for shoulders, shield, etc. There is always a point at which you shouldn't mindlessly stack EH anymore but also look into other options. Obviously you still need a certain amount of EH at the same time.
Both Algalon and Marrowgar are actually good examples for fights like this, they do not hit all that hard but very fast. Like uglybbtoo said, the design for ICC is supposed to have a lot less pure EHP fights, and so far that is true. There are always exceptions of course, like Festergut. Remains to be seen what the last bosses will be like.
Edit: Synapse beat me to the point on algalon/marrowgar
I was easily healed through it without having to use a cooldown because I stack EHP. It went from "hope ya dodge!" to "it doesn't matter if you dodge because you can take it to the face."
You're rolling the dice 100+ times a fight, and even with high avoidance eventually the dice are going to show up as getting hit 4 or 5 times in a row, and you've gotta be able to eat that. It's my contention that because of the RNG odds stack up and eventually the damage is unavoidable, even if it's just regular melee.
I actually tried the "balanced" approach in ulduar, and fights like steelbreaker and algalon freakin' rocked my world, I even got sat on general. I completely re-geared re-gemed for max EHP and have been able to easily tank every boss since then. I'll throw on avoidance trinkets for gunship captain if we're not doing achievements, but otherwise... MEH. Stacking EHP has worked really well for our healers and my guild. Obviously anub'arak requires a different approach which is why the general montra is "gear for the fight" however most fights require EHP, plain and simple. Algalon and Marrowgar ARE examples of where EHP is good. I tanked Algalon before all the fancy 245 gear, trust me, you NEEDED to stack EHP for that, the min requirement is ridiculously high.
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Well, debating the value of EH isn't really an issue. There are.. what.. like 100 threads on that nowadays.
Realistically, the answer is no. Avoidance doesn't "cause" spike damage.
Having lower HP than you should can cause dangerously low dips in your health, but that is not caused by avoidance specifically.
All tanks have lots of avoidance. Some tanks may have more avoidance than others, but adding, say, 3-5% more avoidance isn't magically going to make you more "spikey" than the guy who has 43% avoidance already. You already "spike" in that fashion very regularly.
The least "spikey" way to reduce your damage taken or increase your EH is through Armor, rather than Avoidance or EH stacking, as that will actually lower the damage you take rather than padding or delaying it.
Either way, the "spike" argument has been inappropriately used against avoidance for years, even though it really has nothing to do with anything.
The main point being: make sure you have enough EH to survive stuff without popping down to 10 health every swing. Neither you or your healers will appreciate that and all the avoidance in the world won't save you if you don't have enough health.
As for Festergut, by looking at the logs I would wager the largest possible burst he can do on a well-geared tank is upward of 68k+ with 3 Inhales if you get two high-end melee swings (capable of being up in the 28-29k range without shields/cooldown) plus a 10k Bloat within 1 second. So, I don't think any EH is enough to assure survival during 3x Inhale without a cooldown--you're basically relying on luck anyway if you don't cooldown it, due to the high variation in his melee swing damage. (That said, I wouldn't be very comfortable doing that fight with less than 54k health or so, at the very least.)
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I think a lot of it is relative to your gear levels as well. Putting a stam gem in every socket I have except for two (one for a +12 Stam bonus, one for Meta activation), I have *just* over 40k health, and that's using two stamina trinkets. Personally, from what I've seen so far in ICC (which, due to the holidays, is unfortunately not much - just the first two bosses), warriors at least are probably going to be wanting at least 40k unbuffed health for 25-man. Now, as my stam goes up I'll be able to swap out some stam trinkets for armor (which is still EH, I know) and possibly an avoidance trinket (like Ony's, which is the best avoidance trinket I've got), but only if I can keep my health above 40k. Some fights I may have to swap the stam trinkets back out, but I think a lot depends on what your relative gear is like, and how much stam, avoidance, etc. you're getting out of it. That's why I think stacking stam in your gems can be very beneficial, or stam stacking in general, so long as you're not stupid about it.
Personally, my goal is to get 40k unbuffed health using the Glyph of Indomitability and the Ony trinket, and then swap out stam trinkets for fights that I need them. That should get me through normal 10-man ICC and much of 25-man, and as the gear comes in and that number goes up, I can be ready for Heroics (maybe... casual guild).
I do think, though, that paladins have a better case for avoidance, since they generally scale with stamina and avoidance values better than warriors do. Our MT is a paladin avoidance tank, and he does just fine (although, as I said, our guild doesn't do many Heroics, so I don't know how it would hold up in ToGC-25, for example).
Eravian, you're going to want to keep stacking EHP. The first 4 bosses hit like little kittens compared to festergut and rotface, imo. I didn't have huge problems with it since I used cooldowns wisely and have stacked tons of stam/armor and so has our pally tank, but I was getting hit for ~28k and our pally tank (who has more HPs but less armor than me) took at hit for ~35k at one point. We didn't have tank deaths, but I simply attribute that to us pre-emptively stacking EHP. If we hadn't, I think we would have had a much harder time in the instance.
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You can ignore all the straits for stone guard lfr. All 3 can be single tanked together and burned. The rest of the fights have slightly more intricacy but they don't sway far from the video versions of normals.
So I finally reached iLvl 460 for LFR Guardians of Mog'shan (Mog'shan Vaults). There are six bosses...how do I tank this for the first time? I mean, I've looked at the tankspot video for Stone Guard (http://www.tankspot.com/showthread.p...ts-Stone-Guard) - and I get it. But there's no way I'll remember another 5 bosses.
I can cope with one boss, and even then, it all makes a lot more sense once you've done it once. I don't have DPS gear, so what do I do, queue and get kicked?
I would like to add, that I want to do a good job and be attentive, hence posting here really.
Boss 1: Tank all three together, ignore normal/heroic strategies.
Boss 2: Phase 1: tank where he runs to. Phase 2: tank in middle, use shield to stop draw flame. Phase 3: tank in middle, und shield to stop damage from the casted AoE.
Boss 3: Tank away from totem. When he send you down to the spirit world, kill the large white add.
Boss 4: Tank Quiang facing the raid. put a symbol on your head and tell the raid to stack on you.
Boss 5: Tank boss in middle, he cannot move. kill adds as appropriate, only ever move away from the boss if another tank has him. Move off the platform before it despawns.
Boss 6: Tank your boss in a corner, near the stairs. The other one should be tanked opposite you, on the other side of the room. Dodge the AoE if you can, use a CD for Titan Gas.
Very, very useful and much appreciated.
Thank you.
Darksend - thanks for the heads-up. I thought something was odd when I queued in LFG for longer than 15 seconds one evening. Really, it struck me as odd. So LFR is going to be a wake-up call.
I personally make sure to gather up an OS set of gear. That way, like I did last week, I can queue as dps for the fights I haven't seen and get a feel for what's happening. Usually, once I've seen the fight as a dps, I'm cool with tanking it. My 463 tank gear got me into lfr...my 440 ret gear got me to the top of the dps meters. Sad panda (but not really a panda).
I was under the impression if you are assigned a DPS role your loot bags will only give DPS loots, and the same for tank roles and tank loots.
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For my first time into an LFR, I am there to learn, rather than loot. If I win loot for my OS, great. If it's itemized correctly (no crit) for prot, even better. More than anything, I wanted to make sure that the first time I tank is not the first time I've seen it.
I'm nervous about two specifics of tanking LFR:
(1) Running out when the platform collapses on Elegion: if normally the tank always has to be close to the boss, how do you know when to run out? (dps seem very bad at killing the adds before they hit their targets)
(2) Dodging the devastating slashes on will of the emperor: how much damage do you take each slash you fail to dodge? (I've watched videos, but it seems tricky).
It's not that dodging the slashes is tricky, it's just that there's really no room for error. You don't get a large window to think about where to move, you just have to recognize it and move. The damage from getting hit by the slash isn't that much, but it debuffs you increasing your damage taken (via armor reduction or just straight damage increase%, I forget).
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Celebrating Sug Schusterman
On May 2, one of the most loved, admired and respected ladies in Louisville passed away. Sug Schusterman, after a short illness, died at her home in St. Matthews.
Sug was born and reared in Oldham County. Her parents were the late Bill and Ella Conn. She had cousins by the dozens in Oldham and Eastern Jefferson County.
One day a long time ago, Ron McMakin, one of the cousins and a close friend of my husband and me, called and was so excited that Sug (or Lee as she was known in the business) was coming to visit him and would we come to dinner? We had heard about the glamorous, Eastern New Mexico Phi Beta Kappa graduate, brilliant, fashion model who traveled the world representing and modeling clothes for international designers, was married to a New York City attorney, loved sailing the Eastern seaboard in the summer, and always found time to ride her beloved horses.
That dinner changed our lives forever.
There was this tall, fashionable, charming, slender, beautiful ash blonde with a warm, vivacious, personality. Everyone fell in love with her the moment they met. She was recently divorced and had come "home" to nurse her wounds. She made the room light up. And she made us feel special. It is a talent few people have. We talked long into the night finding the ties that would bind us forever.
We had gone to school with her cousins Lida Lee and Mildred Kemp, and had been taught by her formidable cousin, Mr. Kemp. Her father and my grandfather had been friends. We shared a slight interest on our part and a true love on hers with horses. She had no children of her own but loved everyone else's and was fascinated when we talked about the hearing-impaired preschoolers at the Louisville Deaf Oral School.
She was tired of New York, the fashion industry, the traveling. She wanted to come home to Kentucky to stay. Until she could find a better job, she took a position at the Broadway Series that was way below her pay grade and abilities. She charmed every one in the office. Eventually, she went to the Camberly Brown Hotel to manage customer relations and, once again, was loved by all – from the busboys to senior management.
Needing an interesting place to live, she found "Twigmore," a small historic English style field stone house in a wooded glen in Pewee Valley. It was like a fairytale house. Sug always left the leaded glass casement windows open in the summer, and if she was not home you could just lean in and leave what ever you had brought her. There was a flagstone terrace in the back and a charming garden.
She was a good cook and dinner parties were always diverse and fun. She had antique family furniture, a houseful of paintings by her Wilhoyte grandmother and the most wonderful Victorian table call-bell that I lusted after. There was a spectacular early Victorian chandelier that came from the big home the family had in Lake Wales, Fla.
About the time she got settled, my friend Dan Schusterman called looking for someone to take out. I gave him Sug's number. The rest was history. They fell in love. The wedding was outdoors at Harmony Landing Country Club on the muggiest, hottest day of the year. I was a bridesmaid along with Cousin Pat Karlen and Cousin Ron. (That's right, Cousin Ron was a bridesmaid! And, no, he did not wear a dress!) New York designer and friend Bob Mackie made the bride's beautiful cream colored gown.
Charming as it was, Twigmore was too small for Dan so they moved to a lovely home in Glenview. John Korfhage put in a beautiful terraced backyard, and they entertained endlessly.
By this time, Sug was immersed in volunteering for and serving on the board of the Louisville Deaf Oral School, now known as the Heuser Hearing & Language Academy. She was co-chair of the capital campaign that raised $8 million to build the expanded Heuser Hearing Institute, served as its board chair and was active in the naming of the new school building for her close friend and school supporter, the late June Tafel.
Sug was a member of the Health Committee of the Woman's Club of Louisville and under her leadership and prodding, events, fashion shows, dinners, and auctions at the Brown Hotel with Jim Stuckert as the auctioneer, were held for several years that raised in excess of $200,000 for the school.
On campus almost every day and armed with hugs and smiles for every child, Sug tirelessly supported the efforts of Mona McCubbin, the Institute's executive director, doing whatever was necessary, even weeding the garden.
But there was always time for fun. We went to Europe a number of times, and "we girls" often flew to Houston to visit friends of Jo Ann Gammon and ride in the famed opening night of the Houston Rodeo. We met fascinating people. One cute elderly man that we sat next to at dinner told us any time we wanted the owner's box in Nashville for a pro football game to just give him a call. Later we found out we were sitting with Bud Adams, who owned the Nashville Titans. Sug enchanted them all. Dan was sweetly tolerant and indulged her in the trips with the girls.
Dan and Sug liked to travel together, too, and took trips to New York with Libby and Don Parkinson to see shows and shop. Carol and Bill Lomicka had built a second home in Arizona, and the Schustermans liked to visit them there.
Sug had a passionate interest in horses and the Kentucky Derby Museum, and never missed an opportunity to promote it, even chairing the 2005 Museum Gala that yielded record results. She subsequently served on the committee all of the following years to the present.
In 2011, The Voice-Tribune published an In Tandem feature about Sug and Dan. "You could put a shower curtain on her and she'd look good," Dan told the writer. But that's not why he pursued her years ago, Dan explained. "She's not only beautiful, she's also very smart," he said, seriously. "I'm a very lucky guy."
When asked how the two walked "in tandem" on a daily basis, "We respect and like each other," Sug replied. "It's not just love," added Dan. "We genuinely like each other. We work as a team. In our relationship, Sug is my partner."
The one thing the couple did every day without fail was "always empty the kitty litter," Sug quipped during the interview, smiling at her husband. "We also always tell each other 'I love you,' " Dan added. "Everyday. At least once," Sug affirmed.
In March 2012, Sug learned she was seriously ill.
Weakened by her illness but typically minding her manners, she dictated thank you notes to Lindy Street to mail to many from whom she had received well wishes while in the hospital. Never without opinions, when she knew time was short, with Dan, Libby and Carol, Sug planned the details of her funeral including the flowers and her desire to be buried in her wedding gown with her wedding ring on her hand and wearing a pair of socks – she was always cold. (It's OK to smile; she would have loved it.)
Sug Schusterman liked and cared for virtually everyone she ever met and everyone she met liked her. She made friends easily with people from all walks of life and our lives are richer for having known her. Sug was some lady.
Oh, by the way … Sug never liked or told people her real first name. But when asked if I could tell it in her obituary, she laughed and said, "Yes!" It is on her tombstone and it says, "Myrtis Lee." She was named for her grandmother. Myrtis is also a beautiful flower, a fitting moniker for such a beautiful person.
The funeral service was held at Calvary Episcopal Church, 821 S. Fourth St. at 10 a.m. May 9, 2012, with burial following at Duncan Memorial Cemetery at Floydsburg, Ky.
In lieu of flowers expressions of sympathy may go to Heuser Hearing & Language Academy, 111 E. Kentucky St., Louisville, KY 40203.
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Carla Sue,
This was beautifully written about a beautiful person, inside and out. Sug will be remembered fondly for her good works, her gift of caring and putting others ahead of herself, and most of all her friendship.
So eloquently written about Louisville's most elegant lady! She will be missed by all who knew her.
Nicely written. We loved Twigmore! Thank you Carla Sue for being such a great friend.
Thank you, Carla Sue. It's hard to imagine a world without Sug…peace.
An exceptional article about an exceptional and beautiful, loving lady. Sug you will be dearly missed. The Reverend said it all at the service yesterday. When we arive in heven for the last supper, we all want our place cards next to Sug!"
What a great article! Sug will be missed by many. She loved HHLA and truly made a difference. She was beautiful inside and out. I am honored she called me a friend.
Carla Sue, Nailed it!! Such a loving tribute to one of Louisville's TRUE Belles.
Thank you, Carla Sue, for such a glorious article about an extraordinary woman! I knew her for 35 years, first as "Lee" in New York City and then as "Sug" in Louisville — and watched the transformation from fashion industry insider into Louisville philanthropist — and always kind and gentle friend. She raised the bar for everyone in her always wise ways… I will miss her always as I'm sure all of Louisville will miss her. There won't be another like her anytime soon…
Sug welcomed us into her home one holiday season and I've never experienced such a Christmas wonderland…the room filled with her warm, welcoming spirit. Even with our toddler in tow yanking at ornaments, Sug just laughed with us and delighted in the joy of the season. She was a remarkable woman who made a lasting impression on our family. Thank you for capturing her beauty inside and out.
Carla Sue: Such a fittingly admiring article for such a wonderful person, Sug. Knowing Sug gave a whole new meaning to the word "friendship" and I'll always miss her too. She was always so helpful in ways that you didn't even know you needed help to start with.


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Umm I am at school and can't pull up your armory so what class are you? (Make sure you are specific in your questions)
was wondering if theres anything i can do to keep mobs on me. lately been going in pug dungeons and get alot of negative feedback and even some dropping ppl dropping out because the either die or we wipe. so heres the problem. most of the time they dont let me attack first or they grab other mobs at the same time. there are few that get away from me and attack other members of the group. i hit everything i have to get mob aggro but just doesnt seem good enough. is there anything i can do.
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Earthgoddess: 80 Resto Druid: Windrunner
When dps make pulls, I sit down and watch. Sometimes they notice, sometimes not so much.
Your gemming and spec are bad. You are well over the defense minimum, so the + defense gems are useless for you, and 40 AP gems are bad. If you want to gem for threat, focus on expertise > hit > strength.
As far as the spec goes, get the 15/3/53. Improved disarm, cruelty, focused rage are all unnecessary.
Your glyphs are fine for 5 mans.
Tank and healers set the pace. Unless they're willing to tank it, it's their own fault. Mark targets, tell them to wait a sec. If they don't, or go running off (I hate the healers that do this... go jogging off to pull the next pack - for whatever reason, healers seem to be the worst offenders, maybe because they're board) let 'em die.
One thing that might help is charge, so you have a little time (hopefully) before they go hog wild. Remember vig. But if you have 25m geared players that know what they're doing, they choose if they pull off you or not.
An introduction into WarTanking (no longer updated as I've retired from WoW - the concepts will still be mostly accurate but the numbers no longer will be.) - http://www.tankspot.com/showthread.p...101-The-Primer
k, thanks. i know my gems are off. have researched so many places that really push stam but was always taught to get exp hit and strength like you said.
i think the biggest problem that i have most is making skull and x and then grp pulling a different one off me thats not marked. seems like its always one person in the grp. just get tired of ppl dropping. but i guess if they cant hit the ones that are marked and i have a ton of aggro on and want to go renegade then ill just let them suffer the consequences. thanks all
my policy is the same as the ones above, if they pull it on purpose, i taunt it off and warn them. they pull it a 2nd time - that indicates they want to tank, so i let them and watch as healer either scrambles to save them or lets them die.
i've had plenty of runs where i've just sat down with the healer watching the dps running around like headless chickens when they realize that theres no heals on them and no safety net for them...kinda fun to watch actually....
if the healer does it....well, i'm a decently geared prot pally - i'll usually live
other than that, if you have dps that massively outgear you, they might pull off you if they're not careful with their threat....that's their problem if they want to look at recount rather than omen
that being said, i wouldnt blame everything on gear - you do have to do the research regarding your spec, rotations (if there's one and depending on the situation) as well as enchants/gems - that way you know that your doing your best to maintain the best tps you can do
I am also firmly in the you pull it you tank it camp .. I don't mind singles but when they pull mobs they generally hit only one and the others immediately zoom in on the healer and he dies which is what I object too.
Ask them not to do it and should they persist stop tanking and ask them to kick you so you don't get the dungeon desserter debuff or even teleport out and wait for them to kick you. Remember you will insta queue again anyhow they can sit around and enjoy the wait for a new tank.
You definitely need to fix up talents and remember challenging shout may save the day in the sort of situation you are describing but it does come on a 3min CD.
This problem sort of goes away as your gear improves because you are usually ready to move onto next mob long before the dps has finished with them.
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thanks again all for your help. thats why i keep looking to tankspot. you guys are great
Two instances, one a shammie healer who started pulling in H PoS because "he didn't want to be there all day". Not like we were going so slow. He was speed pulling. I said you pull it, you tank it. He made the remark "it wouldn't be the first time". We get to Ick and we wipe because moronboy himself didn't get out of poison nova. Promptly left group, I don't like to leave and make people suffer, normally, but I felt this needed to be done to put more egg on his face.
2nd was just in HToc. This is a funny, boomkin pulls third group before I am ready. I pick up one and let the other two beat up on him/her for a bit, him/her got to about 40% health, then I went over and easily ripped both off of him/her.
I'm liking this mantra more and more and these guys are going to get a stone cold awakening in cata heroics...and that's the bottom line..
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Need more rage. I can't do that yet. That spell's not ready. Not enough rage.
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I have to say I totally disagree with all of these replies. As a caveat, you need 1-2 seconds to gather up mobs before aoe gets unleashed, but baring that, I don't agree with loose mobs being anyone elses' fault but the tanks'. First, we're talking about 5 man instances, why are we marking targets in the first place? The Wrath model for 5 mans is aoe, aoe, and more aoe. There are very few fights that require focused fire. Further, this is a GREAT time to practice your aoe threat. You mentioned you have 2 targets with high threat:
"I guess if they cant hit the ones that are marked and i have a ton of aggro on and want to go renegade then ill just let them suffer the consequences."
You don't need a "ton" of aggro on anything. You need enough aggro on lots of mobs, not a ton of aggro on 1 or 2. Focus on staying ahead of aggro on all mobs, not lapping the field on one while allowing 3 or 4 to run wild.
Next, I have to say that I hate the "if dps pulls i sit down and watch...." or "I'll let them suffer the consequences" argument. All this does is punish your healer, not the dps. The healer will be able to keep the dps up, they just have to burn a bunch of mana to do it and no one learns a lesson except that they can get hit in the face and survive just fine.
Finally, I want to stress one of my original points, and that is that 5 mans are a great place to practice building threat on multiple mobs. Especially when the dps outgears you. It is challenging. It makes it fun, and it makes you a better tank.
Lots of different replies but I'll weigh in with mine.
Obviously, you shouldnt have to try to fix every crazy dps's screw up. However, most 5 mans can be categorized as this; Idle hands are the devil's workshop. Tell the healer that your gear is on the lower side but that is no reason to go slow. If you keep the pace up, you can stay "ahead" of the dps most of the time. Let the healer know you want to push pace a little bit. Dont be afraid to make mistakes. Sometimes, when you have a strong threat lead on something, check the healers mana bar. If its ok, let the dps finish off that add and go to the next pack. While they are killing the prev mob, youre building threat on a new one.
I suspect that the reason the dps is chippy is because you are going slower. If you want practice tanking more slowly, I recommend running non heroics. First your gear will be superior there and your party mates will likely be below level 80. Once you are comfortable pushing pace, take on the easier heroics. If you find a strong healer, try to talk him (or her) into staying with you for some chain 5 mans.
Most of these issues can be fulled back to expectations. If progression for you is a 5 man heroic but you are using the random que, that is a mistake. Most of the people there are farming and want a badge, some gold and to get the hell out of there. Its a pug. If its progression for you, it would be a mistake to pug it. Get yourself a team of people and go. The LFG is a great tool.... but its not designed to be a place where you actually go to get gear upgrades. And it never will be. The problem you have is expectations of the party.
Pushing the pace will make a good portion of these issues go away. You can let people die if you want, but if I had to vote to keep a tank that is marking adds in a 5 man and has 20k health or the 7k dps ele shaman that keeps dying because he is impatient, Im likely staying with the Shaman. I think there is a place for people to learn to tank..... but I personally, dont want to be taking extra time to get someone caught up on tanking 5 mans. I suspect that most of the LFG is the same.
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1-2 seconds?
thats 1.3 GCDs.
so for a warrior that a TC and Cleave
for a bear thats a swipe and a Maul(?)
for a pally thats a Hammer
fr a DK that one BB or HB or IT and maybe a rune strike.
and even less if we say have to silence a caster or two to drag them into the pack.
the "wrath model" is only that way becuase the majority rediculously out gear the instance, i remember back when wrath hit running HCs with the entire group in Blues with maybe a few crafted epics and an smattering of greens,when 22k was not a disrespectable amount of health for a tank, the model then was certainly not AoE like mad.
now Geared tanks can pull half a dungeon Naked and survive, but the thing is that kinda depends on the tank being geared, and you kinda have to run HCs to get gear. its a bit of a harsh point of view to assume an appropiately geared tank should be treated exactly the same as one in 264/277s,. hell i wouldn't expect a healer in ilvl200s to keep me alive through LK, nor would i expect DPS to be able to beat the enrage on festergut 25HC if they where on 5 man HC gear. It just doesn't make sense to expect a tank in gear a few tiers below yours to hold aggro against you when you're going balls to the wall. sure it can be done, but that requires teamwork, and that requires DPS to work with the tank, and vice versa.
Okay, the next time I sit down to watch, don't change anything. Don't say anything. Don't correct anyone, and that way, we can repeat the mistake.
Yeah dont say anything, don't correct anyone, just fix their mistake by picking up all the crap they pulled and demonstrating why you are the man and they suck.