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Updated for 3.3 (formatting update: Table of Contents now contains links to the appropriate sections)
For the article version of this write-up click here.
Table of Contents:
I. Introduction and Videos
II. Feral Talents
III. Resto Talents
IV. Balance Talents
V. 1-70 Changes
VI. Talent Builds
VII. Glyphs1. MinorVIII. Threat
2. Major
3. Recommendations
IX. Gear1. Stat PriorityI. Introduction and Videos
2. Gems
3. Enchants
The Purpose of this guide is to provide an in depth analysis of the different talents and builds of Bear tanks. Recently I have become a full time bear and have hardly dpsed at all since ToC was released, as such check out Geros's WOLTK Cat DPS guide in the DPS forum for much more up-to-date DPS info. I will try to keep the bear info as up-to-date as possible but things change as patches are released. However, if you see any errors I may have made please point them out. If you feel I have omitted anything of importance, bring it up in the thread for discussion.
Also, the patch to wrath guide is still around. Check it out if you are are still in the process of leveling as it provides some useful insight for those going from 70-80.
Welcome to parts 1 and 2 of the Feral Druid Video Guides, which will deal with bear tanking.
Donors looking to download this can find it under Druid Reference: Bear Rotation Guide.
II. Feral Talents
Tier 1
Ferocity: Reduces the cost of your Maul, Swipe, Claw, Rake and Mangle abilities by 1/2/3/4/5 Rage or Energy.
Feral Aggression: Increases the attack power reduction of your Demoralizing Roar by 8/16/24/32/40% and the damage caused by your Ferocious Bite by 3/6/9/12/15%.
Comment: For hard mode and heroic mode raiding it is required that bosses have an improved attack power reduction on them at all times. If your raid does not have a warrior with improved demo shout, you need to max this talent as you will be in charge of this debuff. If you only plan on doing normal mode raids and 5 man heroics, normal demo roar (or even no demo roar at all in the case of 5 mans) is acceptable.
Tier 2
Feral Instinct: Increases the damage done by your Swipe ability by 10/20/30% and reduces the chance enemies have to detect you while Prowling.
Bear form now has the same threat modifier as Defensive stance (207.35), includes feral instinct's old threat base now.
Now affects Swipe (Cat).
Savage Fury: Increases the damage caused by your Claw, Rake, Mangle (Cat), Mangle (Bear), and Maul abilities by 10/20%.
Once again affects bear abilities, tier 2 moved from tier 5.
Thick Hide: Increases your Armor contribution from cloth and leather items by 4/7/10%.
No longer affects rings, trinkets, neck, or weapons. Also no longer affects bonus armor on capes, for example the base armor for every ilvl 213 cape is 154, shadowed sun has 490, that 154 receives the 10% while the extra 336 does not.
Tier 3
Feral Swiftness: Increases your movement speed by 15/30% in Cat Form and increases your chance to dodge while in Cat Form, Bear Form and Dire Bear Form by 2/4%.
Active everywhere not just outdoors.
Survival Instincts: When activated, this ability temporarily grants you 30% of your maximum health for 20 sec while in Bear Form, Cat Form, or Dire Bear Form. After the effect expires, the health is lost. 3 minute cooldown.
3.0.8 patch notes: Survival Instincts: The extra health from this ability now persists in all forms, but the ability can only be activated in Cat Form, Bear Form, or Dire Bear Form. This prevents the health gain from occurring multiple times if constantly shapeshifting.
This also fixes the problem i mentioned earlier of dieing instantly upon shifting out of form because you would be taken to 1hp if you were below the amount of health received from the buff.
Updated for 3.1, the cooldown reduced to 3 minutes to bring it in line with the change to Last Stand.
Sharpened Claws: Increases your critical strike chance while in Bear, Dire Bear or Cat Form by 2/4/6%.
Tier 4
Shredding Attacks: Reduces the energy cost of your Shred ability by 9 /18 and the rage cost of your Lacerate ability by 1/2.
More testing needs to be done on lacerate vs swipe single target AP->threat Scaling. In BC swipe quickly outpaced lacerate even on single targets making this talent lackluster for bear. Also, lacerate rank 3 was buffed quite a bit, but it remains to be seen how much threat is from the bleed and how much is on the initial application. It may well be that we just keep a 5 stack and swipe/mangle.
Predatory Strikes :Increases your melee attack power in Cat, Bear, and Dire Bear Forms by 50/100/150% of your level and 7/14/20% of any attack power on your equipped weapon. In addition, your finishing moves have a 7/13/20% chance per combo point to make your next nature spell with a base casting time less than 10 sec. become an instant cast spell.
Update for 3.1 to reflect the removal of Moonkin form.
Update for 3.2.2 to include instant cast nature spells.
Primal Fury (Requires 3 points in Sharpened Claws): Gives you a 50/100% chance to gain an additional 5 Rage anytime you get a critical strike while in Bear and Dire Bear Form and your critical strikes from Cat Form abilities that add combo points have a 50/100% chance to add an additional combo point.
Primal Precision (Requires 3 points in Sharpened Claws): Increases your expertise by 5/10, and you are refunded 40/80% of the energy cost of a finishing move if it fails to land.
This grants 10 expertise not expertise rating.
Tier 5
Brutal Impact: Increases the stun duration of your Bash and Pounce abilities by .5/1 sec and decreases the cooldown of Bash by 15/30 sec.
Bash now interrupts casting on stun immune mobs (ie bosses).
Feral Charge: Teaches Feral Charge (Bear) and Feral Charge (Cat).
Feral Charge (Bear) - Causes you to charge an enemy, immobilizing and interrupting any spell being cast for 4 sec. This ability can be used in Bear Form and Dire Bear Form. 15 second cooldown.
Feral Charge (Cat) - Causes you to leap behind an enemy, dazing them for 3 sec. 30 second cooldown.
Feral charge (cat) activates a 15 second cooldown on feral charger (bear).
Nurturing Instinct: Increases your healing spells by up to 35/70% of your Agility, and increases healing done to you by 10/20% while in Cat form.
Tier 6
Natural Reaction: Increases your dodge while in Bear Form or Dire Bear Form by 2/4/6%, and you regenerate 1/2/3 rage every time you dodge while in Bear Form or Dire Bear Form.
Heart of the Wild (Requires 3 points in Predatory Strikes): Increases your Intellect by 4/8/12/16/20%. In addition, while in Bear or Dire Bear Form your Stamina is increased by 2/4/6/8/10% and while in Cat Form your attack power is increased by 2/4/6/8/10%.
Updated for 3.1 to reflect the lowered stam multiplier.
Survival of the Fittest: Increases all attributes by 2/4/6%, reduces the chance you'll be critically hit by melee attacks by 2/4/6%, and increases your armor contribution from cloth and leather items in bear form and dire bear form by 11/22/33%.
Correct, you do not need defense to be immune to crit from bosses with this talent maxed. Updated for 3.1 to reflect the armor reduction.
Tier 7
Leader of the Pack: While in Cat, Bear or Dire Bear Form, the Leader of the Pack increases ranged and melee critical chance of all party members within 45 yards by 5%.
Improved Leader of the Pack (Requires 1 point in Leader of the Pack): Your Leader of the Pack ability also causes affected targets to heal themselves for 2/4% of their total health when they critically hit with a melee or ranged attack. The healing effect cannot occur more than once every 6 sec. In addition, you gain 4/8% of your maximum mana when you benefit from this heal.
Primal Tenacity: Reduces the duration of Fear effects by 10/20/30%, reduces all damage taken while Stunned in cat form by 10/20/30%.
Update for 3.1 to reflect the damage reduction while stunned only applies in cat form.
Update for 3.2 to reflect the shift of mana reduction to King of the Jungle.
Tier 8
Protector of the Pack (Requires 1 point in Leader of the Pack): Increases your attack power by 2/4/6%, and reduces the damage you take while in Bear or Dire Bear Form by 4/8/12%.
The tooltip is confusing, but the ap only effect bear form.
Group requirement removed.
Predatory Instincts: While in Cat Form, increases your damage from melee critical strikes by 3/7/10% and reduces the damage taken from area of effect attacks by 10/20/30%.
No portion of this talent affects bear form in any way anymore, this talent is 100% cat.
Infected Wounds: Your Shred, Maul, and Mangle attacks cause an Infected Wound in the target. The Infected Wound reduces the movement speed of the target by 16/34/50% and the attack speed by 6/14/20%. Lasts 12 sec.
Druid thunderclap.
Updated for 3.2.2, the debuff no longer needs to stack and instantly has full effect.
Tier 9
King of the Jungle: While using your Enrage ability in Bear Form or Dire Bear Form, your damage is increased by 5/10/15%, and your Tiger's Fury ability also instantly restores 20/40/60 energy. In addition the mana cost of bear form, cat form, and dire bear form is reduced by 20/40/60%.
Per point damage (for bear) increase using enrage:
Every 60 seconds .833%
every 61 seconds .819%
every 62 seconds .806%
every 63 seconds .793%
Updated for 3.2 to reflect the mana reduction to shifting.
Mangle (Requires 1 point in Leader of the Pack): Mangle the target, inflicting damage and causing the target to take additional damage from bleed effects for 12 sec. This ability can be used in Cat Form or Dire Bear Form.
Improved Mangle (Requires 1 point in Mangle): Reduces the cooldown of your Mangle (Bear) ability by .5/1/1.5 sec., and reduces the energy cost of your Mangle (Cat) ability by 2/4/6.
Because of the restriction of GCD, getting 1 or 2 points in this talent means you either need to not use any abilities for .5/1 second while off global, or when you get to mangle it will be off cooldown and you still still be on global. For tanking, its all 3 or none. For cat, if you plan on raiding seriously in 25 mans guilds will most likely have a trauma warrior and you will never need to mangle. For sustained dps, you mangle once every rotation so even without a trauma warrior it is lackluster for cat.
Tier 10:
Rend and Tear: Increases damage done by your Maul and Shred attacks on bleeding targets by 4/8/12/16/20%, and increases the critical strike chance of your Ferocious Bite ability on bleeding targets by 5/10/15/20/25%.
It does not have to be pounce, lacerate, rip, or rake, any bleed will proc this talent, from any class. Updated for 3.1 to reflect the crit reduction on Ferocious Bite.
Primal Gore (Requires 5 points in Rend and Tear): Grants the periodic damage from your Lacerate and Rip abilities the chance to critically hit.
While tanking this greatly increases the value of a 5 stack of lacerate as the crits proc SD.
Tier 11:
Berserk: When activated, this ability causes your Mangle (Bear) ability to hit up to 3 targets and have no cooldown, and reduces the energy cost of all your Cat Form abilities by 50%. Lasts 15 sec. You cannot use Tiger's Fury while Berserk is active. Clears the effect of Fear and makes you immune to Fear for the duration. 3 minute cooldown.
III. Resto Talents
Tier 1
Furor: Gives you 20/40/60/80/100% chance to gain 10 Rage when you shapeshift into Bear and Dire Bear Form, and you keep up to 20/40/60/80/100 of your Energy when you shapeshift into Cat Form, and increases your total Intellect while in Moonkin form by 2/4/6/8/10%.
Improved Mark of the Wild: Increases the effects of your Mark of the Wild and Gift of the Wild spells by 20/40%, and increases all of your total attributes by 1/2%.
Updated for 3.1 to reflect the addition of increased stats. Now a mandatory talent.
Tier 2
Naturalist: Reduces the cast time of your Healing Touch spell by 0.1/0.2/0.3/0.4/0.5 sec and increases the damage you deal with physical attacks in all forms by 2/4/6/8/10%.
On your character screen, for melee damage when you mouse over your damage range you will see x102/x104/x106/x108/x110.
Natural Shapeshifter: Reduces the mana cost of all shapeshifting by 10/20/30%.
Tier 3
Intensity: Allows 17/33/50% of your Mana regeneration to continue while casting and causes your Enrage ability to instantly generate 4/7/10 rage.
Omen of Clarity: Each of the Druid's damage, healing spells and auto attacks has a chance of causing the caster to enter a Clearcasting state. The Clearcasting state reduces the Mana, Rage or Energy cost of your next damage, healing spell or offensive ability by 100%.
No longer procs off specials (maul being on neck swing still procs it).
Master Shapeshifter (Requires 3 points in Natural Shapeshifter): Grants an effect which lasts while the druid is in the respective shapeshifting form:
Bear: Increases Physical Damage by 2/4%.
Cat: Increases Critical Strike Chance by 2/4%.
If taken out of 5 points, as NSS is more or less useless in pve, it balances out to .8% damage increase per point.
IV. Balance Talents
None, they changed the wording of genesis a while back and since that patch IT DOES NOT AFFECT pounce/rip/rake/lacerate.
The following 2 sections will cover changes to all 3 specs as some changes will overlap into feral. For now they are in no coherent order but I will edit them once things settle down.
V. 1-70 Changes
VI. Talent Builds
- Swipe (updated for 3.1)- The Bear Form and Dire Bear Form version of this ability no longer has a targeting requirement and hits targets behind the druid and to the sides.
- Faerie Fire (Feral) (updated for 3.1)- is now a trained base ability (level 18 same as normal faerie fire). When used in bear, it will both do damage and generate extra threat. In bear form it will now do damage equal to 15% of your AP up for 5%. Now lasts 5 minutes in pve up from 40 (still has a pvp duration of 40) - this change also applies to normal Faerie Fire. To keep it in line with the other changes to ArP mechanics it now reduces armor by 5% instead of a flat amount.
- Barkskin - now usable in forms.
- Revive - Druids new out of combat rez.
- Growl - 30 yards to match the warrior and death knight equivalents.
- Challenging roar - down to 3 minutes.
- Maim (updated for 3.1)- This ability is now considered a stun, and shares a diminish category with all other stuns. It no longer has a chance to break from the target taking damage. Duration lowered to 1 second per combo point.
- Frenzied regen - will now heal for 30% of your hp if all 100 rage is consumed.
- Maul - now affected by mangle/trauma.
- Weapon procs (such as mongoose) will now proc in forms.
- Healthstones, Potions, and the like can now be used in forms. You can also mine, herb, and use quest items in form as well.
- Abolish Poison (updated for 3.1): Now ticks every 3 seconds, up from every 2. Now lasts 12 seconds, up from 8.
- Innervate (updated for 3.2): This spell no longer costs mana. This ability has been redesigned to grant 225% of the casting Druid's base mana pool to the target over 10 seconds. Cooldown reduced to 3 minutes.
- Lifebloom (updated for 3.1): Mana cost of all ranks doubled. When Lifebloom blooms or is dispelled, it now refunds half the base mana cost of the spell per application of Lifebloom, and the heal effect is multiplied by the number of applications.
- Pounce (updated for 3.1): No longer affected by diminishing returns with other stuns, however, it now shares a diminishing return with Cheap Shot (Rogue).
- New ability: Savage Defense (added in 3.1): Trainable at level 40 with Dire Bear Form as a prerequisite.
When the druid deals a melee critical strike, it gains a physical damage shield equal to 25% of its attack power. The next hit completely consumes the shield, regardless of how much damage was done. Only active in Bear Form.
- Enrage (updated for 3.2): Now generates 20 initial rage and 10 rage over 10 seconds, for 30 rage. Armor penalty unchanged.
- Rebirth (updated for 3.3): Cooldown reduced from 20 minutes to 10 minutes, still not usable in arena.
Threat Spec: Use if you do not need to apply improved demo roar or infected wounds.
Improved Demo spec: Changes ferocity for Feral Aggression if your raid does not have a warrior with improved demo shout of a paladin with vindication.
Infected Wounds spec: Changes Improved Mangle for Infected wounds if your raid needs you to apply the attack speed debuff.
Infected Wounds and Improved Demo spec: This spec changes ferocity for Feral Aggression and Improved mangle for Infected wounds. This is the spec you will probably be if you exclusively run 10 mans. In 25 mans it depends on what class your offtank is but this will rarely be useful except on single tank fights.
Infected Wounds, Improved Demo, and Improved Mangle: You trade Omen of Clarity and 2 points in Feral Instinct to pick up improved mangle along with the above spec.
Hybrid spec: There are 3 unspent points to place where you feel best, this is the spec you want to use if you tank/cat main spec and have a healing offspec (as opposed to a full cat or moonkin offspec).
Building up a spec from scratch: Start off with 10 in resto and then start working up the feral tree. The first tier depends on your raids needs but most likely a fury warrior will have improved demo shout in their spec allowing you to get ferocity.
Building up a spec part two: Putting the filler point in feral instinct brings you to the choices between infected wounds and improved mangle, again depending on what your raid needs.
Building up a spec conclusion: Once you decide between improved mangle and infected wounds you will need 1 filler point, I placed it in imp leader of the pack. Getting the 7 points in the last two tiers leaves you 9 points to do with as you please and 2 filler points to move around as you please at the two stop points above.
VII. Glyphs
1. Minor
Glyph of Aquatic Form - Item - World of Warcraft -> could be useful for leveling not so much at 80
Glyph of Challenging Roar - Item - World of Warcraft -> must have
Glyph of Dash - Item - World of Warcraft
Glyph of Thorns - Item - World of Warcraft -> You should have a tree or boomkin buffing you with thorns before pulls negating this
Glyph of Unburdened Rebirth - Item - World of Warcraft
2. Major
Glyph of Frenzied Regeneration - Item - World of Warcraft -> must have. with the buffs to frenzied regen and this glyph it will finally become something useful again
Glyph of Maul - Item - World of Warcraft (updated for 3.1) -> at 1st I hated this glyph, now I am in love with it. Unfortunately there are a lot of taunt sensitive encounters in ulduar. One niche this may have is on heroic twins if your raid is hitting the enrage timer and are using a strat in which you tank them on top of each other, this will add significant dps.
Glyph of Growl - Item - World of Warcraft (updated for 3.1) -> As mentioned above, this is pretty much a must now for ulduar. In trial you so not want taunts resisting on Gormok.
Glyph of Mangle - Item - World of Warcraft -> really more for cat DPS than tanking, you would need 3-4 misses in a row depending on if you speced into improved mangle before the debuff fell anyway.
Glyph of Barkskin - Item - World of Warcraft (new in 3.1)-> PvP glyph since you are already immune to crits against bosses. I used this for hard mode thorim while undergeared though.
Glyph of Berserk - Item - World of Warcraft (new in 3.1) -> PvP glyph, not as effective as shred, rip and SR for cat pve. Possible burst threat potential for bear but there are actually good bear glyphs now.
Glyph of Survival Instincts - Item - World of Warcraft (new in 3.1) -> My new favorite bear glyph. This + 4pc t8 gives you 28 seconds of 45% increased health.
3. Recommendations:Major:
Growl, SI, Frenzied Regen.
Challenging roar, Unburdened Rebirth, Dash
VIII. Threat
For those interested, a write-up of all the threat modifiers can be found here. It is updated as of the 3.3 PTR.
There are two different rotations a bear might use. The first you use if you are not speced into improved mangle and is 4 globals long, this is because mangle and FF will both have a 6 second cooldown and thus never overlap. If you are speced into improved mangle then mangle and FF will both come off cooldown at the same time. Additionally every rotation is only 3 globals instead of 4.
Regardless, you want to keep maul queued as much as possible depending on how much rage you have, as it usually makes up between 50 and 70% of a bear's threat.
The Improved Mangle rotation is always Mangle, 2, 3. Where 2 and 3 can be either a demo roar, faerie fire, swipe, or lacerate. Always use mangle every time it comes up, unless demo roar has fallen off. The rules for deciding which ability to use on steps 2 and 3 are as follows:
first > if demo roar or an equivalent is not active on the boss, apply the debuff.
second > if demo roar is on the boss and FF is off cooldown, use it.
third > if demo is up and FF is on cooldown, swipe.
Your first 3 rotations should always be mangle, FF, lacerate, mangle lacerate, lacerate, mangle lacerate lacerate followed by a mangle then a berserk. While berserk make sure to replace 1 mangle with a lacerate to keep your 5stack going.
After that any time you are on step 2 and lacerate has less than 3 seconds, or on step 3 and lacerate has less than 5 seconds remaining on the debuff, refreshing your 5stack has priority over swipe and FF.
The normal rotation simply adds FF into the normal mix and becomes mangle, FF, 3, 4. Where 3 and 4 can now only be demo roar, swipe, or lacerate. Again always mangle and FF when the come up unless demo has fallen and the rules for steps 3 and 4 now become:
first > if demo roar has fallen, apply the debuff.
second > if demo roar is on the target, swipe.
Your first 2 rotations are mangle FF lacerate lacerate, mangle lacerate lacerate lacerate, mangle berserk. Again towards the end of berserk you will need to turn 1 mangle into a lacerate to keep the stack rolling.
After that, the duration remaining on your five stack in order to determine if lacerate will replace a swipe is less than 3 seconds at step 3 and less than 5 seconds at step 4.
IX. Gear
1. Stat Priority: What are you looking for in your gear?
Stamina is your primary stat. For every 1 point of stamina you actually gain 1.63 stam with kings in bear.
- Stamina
- Agility
- Armor for capes and jewelery
- Dodge rating
- Defense rating
- Expertise and hit until cap
- Haste
- Crit
- Armor pen
Agility will be your primary source of avoidance. Because we tank in rogue gear we will naturally have enough avoidance without really gemming for it. It also gives a small amount of extra armor as well as crit.
Look for extra armor on necks, capes, and rings. The extra armor has to come from some where as far as item budget, most of the time it comes at the expense of parry rating which we cannot use anyway or threat stats such as hit and expertise. This makes them perfect for druids and soaking massive amounts of physical damage.
Defense and dodge will only appear on necks, capes, rings, and trinkets. For comparison, 5 dodge rating is .13% while 5 defense rating is only .04% dodge and .04% chance to be missed.
Expertise up till 56 skill is your best threat stat, followed by hit till 8%.
After that, because maul makes up so much of our threat, haste becomes the next best stat.
Crit affects lacerate and FF as well as procing savage defense putting it slightly ahead of armor pen.
For Trinkets, they are the most versatile gear slot you have. This more than anything else should be changed based on the encounter. Need more avoidance, use greatness deck, need more threat, use an expertise trinket or grim toll, fighting heroic anub, use the glyph.
2. Gems
For your meta, you want the Austere Earthsiege Diamond. It takes 2 blue and a red to activate.
Never get any socket bonus that requires a yellow gem.
If an item has a single red socket and an agi or stam bonus I will usually fill it with a Shifting Dreadstone.
Likewise if an item has a blue socket and a red socket and an agi or stam socket bonus, I will also fill the red with a Shifting Dreadstone while using a Solid Majestic Zircon in the blue to pick that bonus up as well.
Other than that you want a Solid Majestic Zircon in every slot, with 3 51 stam gems if you are a JCer.
3. Enchants
Helm: Arcanum of the Stalwart Protector from revered argent crusade (the stamina-shadow resist helm enchant is from the same vendor make sure to get the right one). Helms are a great place to enchant for resists when fights require, such as heroic Anub, Item Enhancements (Permanent) - Items - World of Warcraft.
Shoulder: Greater Inscription of the Gladiator from honor is recommended but you can also get Greater Inscription of the Pinnacle from exalted Sons of Hodir. If you do not have the honor, an easy way to get it is to win a single Wintergrasp with all the weekly's, but you could also get a Heavy Borean Armor Kit as a placeholder.
Cape: 22 agi or 225 armor. This is another great place to get resists for fights like heroic Anub, Enchanting - Recipes - World of Warcraft.
Chest: 10 to all stats or a Heavy Borean Armor Kit, this provides more hp than 275 hp while in bear form if you have kings.
Bracers: 102 stam for a leatherworker or 40 stam if you are not
Weapon: Mongoose
Rings: if you are an enchanter you can put stamina on them.
Boots: 22 stam or Tuskarr's if you feel you need the run speed. You can also opt for 16 agi.
Legs: Frosthide leg armor, if you are a leatherworker you can go this instead for less mats.
Gloves: You have a lot of options here. Personally I recommend a Heavy Borean Armor Kit but you could go with 20 agi. If you felt you really needed it you can enchant 20 hit rating or 15 expertise rating.
Last edited by Darksend; 07-04-2010 at 12:04 AM.
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Moved to the public forum!
Nice work ty
After reading your post I feel that you make many good points. I have learned a couple things that I did not know before, even though I had thought that I knew it all
However, I would like to know why you are so avid on picking up PP, as the only benefit it has for tanking is a mere 10 expertise. With the buff of SoTF, it is easier to obtain hit/expertise from gear than before when def/resil was a problem to become defense capped. I personally feel that the two points spent in PP and the one point spent in brutal impact would be better served in IW. This is due to the fact that bash is now far more inferior than before. Reasons being: 1) The glyph that reduces your AOE taunt 2) The range buff on growl 3) The 8 second CD of growl 4) Maul hitting an additional target from glyph.
I am honestly just looking for feedback/critisicm of this build: Talent Calculator - World of Warcraft
Let me know what you think, any input & suggestions would be greatly appreciated.
Well at the risk of discrediting myself, i totally ignored my own advice. Here is the spec i went with ATM. The reason for this is because dual specs are NYI so it is a 25 man build that will excel in heroics and competitive cat.
WorldofWarcraft.com -> Info -> Classes -> Druid -> Talent Calculator
with the current state of the game, in heroics mangle is more or less taken off my bar. Even on trash in 25 mans i am tanking 3-4 things at a time while the warrior tanks the main kill target then taunts off me.
imp LOTP is a must, again ignoring my previous advice. It has not only saved my life so many times, but even in heroics i can agro 2 packs get a shield and a renew, and my priest can go run away and mine that vein back down the hall for 10 or so seconds while i hit barkskin.
The cap is 57 expertise, the talent reduces it to 47. You should not be gemming for those, threat is a non issue atm, you need to survive. Sharing rogue gear agi is amazing so usually gem shiftings or just straight solids, delicates in your DPS gear. Expertise before the softcap is rated 2:1 over hit rating, and 1:1 after that. It is one of the best stats in entire game.
that is a really solid build, but as you said, i push expertise, i always have, and i always will. drop 2 points out of feral instinct and get PP.
i have a lot of expertise gear just lieing around unusable because they are on capes rings and trinkets that will not be good until after blizzard makes the armor change. After that, i might reevalute and drop the talent but probably not.
edit: forgot to note, it is expertise, not expertise rating. I have 15 expertise on my gear which is 128 rating, that makes each point in this talent equal to 42.6666666 rating. using green gems that takes 7 gem slots or 126 stam. 126 stam for 2 talent points is pretty nice (for reference the 5 in HOTW give me 275 with my current gear level). Again with blue/epic gems this will change as well but for now it is really nice.
Last edited by Darksend; 11-18-2008 at 10:02 AM.
On another note, have you had any adequate time to test lacerate vs. swipe with the lacerate rank buff?
swipe is just to powerful in the game right now because of the state of AOE tanking that i forget i have laccerate. I think it will always be worth it to start a fight with a 5 stack between mangle cooldowns and just refresh it every other rotation but i have no math to support that.
I appreciate all your time invested in putting this together, I have learned a lot. Thanks further for taking time to answer my questions personally.
Talent Calculator - World of Warcraft
I Did this for some guildies, so its formatted for our website, not for these forums, so its a little ugly.
Argent Crusade
Cloak of Holy extrmination Cloak of Holy Extermination - Item - World of Warcraft
Boots of the neverending path Boots of the Neverending Path - Item - World of Warcraft
Frenzyheart tribe
Azure Strappy Pants Azure Strappy Pants - Item - World of Warcraft
(Eh, so so, good +hit though )
Kirin Tor
Mind-Expanding Leggings Mind-Expanding Leggings - Item - World of Warcraft
Staff of Shrouded Mysteries Stave of Shrouded Mysteries - Item - World of Warcraft
Knights of the Ebon Blade
DarkHEart Chestguard Darkheart Chestguard - Item - World of Warcraft
Mastercraft Kalu'ak Fishing pole Mastercraft Kalu'ak Fishing Pole - Item - World of Warcraft
(Cause everyone wants one!!)
Whale Skin BReastplate Whale-Skin Breastplate - Item - World of Warcraft
The Oracles
Glitterscale Wrap Glitterscale Wrap - Item - World of Warcraft
The Sons of Hodir
Spaulders of Frozen KNives Spaulders of Frozen Knives - Item - World of Warcraft
Shoulder inscriptions
The Wyrmrest Accourd
Cloak of peaceful resolutions Cloak of Peaceful Resolutions - Item - World of Warcraft
Dragonfriend Bracers Dragonfriend Bracers - Item - World of Warcraft
Exotic Leather Tunic Exotic Leather Tunic - Item - World of Warcraft
Handwraps of Preserved History Handwraps of Preserved History - Item - World of Warcraft
HeadGuard of retaliation Headguard of Retaliation - Item - World of Warcraft
Charred LEather Shoulderguards Charred Leather Shoulderguards - Item - World of Warcraft
Shoulderpads Of Fleshworks Shoulderpads of Fleshwerks - Item - World of Warcraft
Njorndar Furywraps Njorndar Furywraps - Item - World of Warcraft
Belt of Njorndar Belt of Njorndar - Item - World of Warcraft
Hardened Whipping Belt Hardened Whipping Belt - Item - World of Warcraft
Refurbished Demolisher Gear belt Refurbished Demolisher Gear Belt - Item - World of Warcraft
Grotesque Butchers PAnts Grotesque Butcher's Pants - Item - World of Warcraft
Glacier WAlkers Mukluks Glacier-walker's Mukluks - Item - World of Warcraft
Gryphon Hide Moccasins Gryphon Hide Moccasins - Item - World of Warcraft
Illskar's Greatcloak Illskar's Greatcloak - Item - World of Warcraft
Hulking Abomination hide Cloak Hulking Abomination Hide Cloak - Item - World of Warcraft
Staff of the sorrowful Chieftain Staff of the Sorrowful Chieftain - Item - World of Warcraft
Growlers Intimidation Growler's Intimidation - Item - World of Warcraft
Iceforged Battle Ring Iceforged Battle Ring - Item - World of Warcraft
Ring Of Ancestral Protectors Ring of Ancestral Protectors - Item - World of Warcraft
Ring of Earthen Might Ring of Earthen Might - Item - World of Warcraft
Betrayers Choker Betrayer's Choker - Item - World of Warcraft
Enraged Feral Staff Enraged Feral Staff - Item - World of Warcraft
Ingvar the Plunderer Utgarde Keep (Heroic)
Defenders Code Defender's Code - Item - World of Warcraft
Drops in heroic NAxxramas, all bosses
Offering of sacrifice Offering of Sacrifice - Item - World of Warcraft
Gundrak (Heroic)
INdestructablke Alchemists stone Indestructible Alchemist's Stone - Item - World of Warcraft
Keystone great ring Keystone Great-Ring - Item - World of Warcraft
The Prophet Tharon'ja
Drak'Tharon Keep (Heroic)
Titanium Earthguard Ring Titanium Earthguard Ring - Item - World of Warcraft
Nerubian Shield Ring Nerubian Shield Ring - Item - World of Warcraft
Elder Nadox
Ahn'kahet (Heroic)
Ring of Earthen MIght Ring of Earthen Might - Item - World of Warcraft
Band Of torture Band of Torture - Item - World of Warcraft
Drakos the Interrogator
The Oculus (Heroic)
Boots belt and Wrists the PvP set is best in class, start grinding
Polar Boots Polar Boots - Item - World of Warcraft
Boots of Whirling Mist Boots of the Whirling Mist - Item - World of Warcraft
Sjonnir The Ironshaper
Halls of Stone (Heroic)
Boots of Captain Ellis Boots of Captain Ellis - Item - World of Warcraft
Badge gear vendor, dalaran
Gored Hide Legguards Gored Hide Legguards - Item - World of Warcraft
Gundrak (Heroic)
Mind Expanding Leggings Mind-Expanding Leggings - Item - World of Warcraft
Kirin tor Quartermaster ( rep vendor )
Ravenous Leggings of the Furbolg Ravenous Leggings of the Furbolg - Item - World of Warcraft
Gortok Palehoof
Utgarde Pinnacle (Heroic)
Leggings of the honored Leggings of the Honored - Item - World of Warcraft
The Obsidian Sanctum (Heroic)
Deadly Gladiators Belt of triumph Deadly Gladiator's Belt of Triumph - Item - World of Warcraft
Hateful Gladiators Belt of triumph Hateful Gladiator's Belt of Triumph - Item - World of Warcraft
Arena Vendors
Polar Cord Polar Cord - Item - World of Warcraft
Trollwover Girdle Trollwoven Girdle - Item - World of Warcraft
Jorach's Crocolisk skin Belt Jorach's Crocolisk Skin Belt - Item - World of Warcraft
Badge vendor, Dalaran
Sharp Barbed Leather Belt Sharp-Barbed Leather Belt - Item - World of Warcraft
Ingvar the Plunderer
Utgarde Keep (Heroic)
Handwraps of PReserved History Handwraps of Preserved History - Item - World of Warcraft
Valorous Dreamwalker Handgrips Valorous Dreamwalker Handgrips - Item - World of Warcraft
T7 Sartharion
The Obsidian Sanctum (Heroic) ( I didnt think these dropped outside of Naxx )
Charged-Bolt Grips Charged-Bolt Grips - Item - World of Warcraft
Halls of Lightning (Heroic)
Frosted Adroit Handguards Frosted Adroit Handguards - Item - World of Warcraft
The Eye of Eternity (Heroic)
Wristwraps of the Cutthroat Wristwraps of the Cutthroat - Item - World of Warcraft
Badge vendor Dalaran (Valor)
Dragon Friend Braceres Dragonfriend Bracers - Item - World of Warcraft
REp Vendor THe Wyrmrest Accord ( exhaulted )
POlar Vest Polar Vest - Item - World of Warcraft
Gale Proof Cloak Gale-Proof Cloak - Item - World of Warcraft
The Obsidian Sanctum
Platinum Mesh Cloak Platinum Mesh Cloak - Item - World of Warcraft
Badge gear, dalaran (Valor)
Cloak of gushing wound Cloak of the Gushing Wound - Item - World of Warcraft
The Violet Hold (Heroic)
Cloak of Holy Extermination Cloak of Holy Extermination - Item - World of Warcraft
Argent Crusade Rep Vendor
Trollwoven Spaulders Trollwoven Spaulders - Item - World of Warcraft
Concealment Shoulderpads Concealment Shoulderpads - Item - World of Warcraft
The Obsidian Sanctum (Heroic)
Spaulders of the careless thief Spaulders of the Careless Thief - Item - World of Warcraft
Grand Magus Telestra
The Nexus (Heroic)
Sprinting Shoulderpads Sprinting Shoulderpads - Item - World of Warcraft
Elder Nadox
Ahn'kahet (Heroic)
Favor of the dragon Queen Favor of the Dragon Queen - Item - World of Warcraft
NExus war champion Beads Nexus War Champion Beads - Item - World of Warcraft
Titanium Impact choker Titanium Impact Choker - Item - World of Warcraft
Amulet of wills Amulet of Wills - Item - World of Warcraft
Sjonnir The Ironshaper
Halls of Stone
(Has 336 armor!)
Mask of the watcher Mask of the Watcher - Item - World of Warcraft
Cache of Eregos
The Oculus (Heroic)
That delicious 850 armor trinket doesnt actually drop until inside naxx, but I put it up there anyways even though this is a pre naxx style list.
There is very little crafted leather gear for bears at this time, the polar Frost resistance set ( boots, belt and gloves ) has high stamina, just put all agility gems in them. And the trollwoven set ( shoulders, belt ) also have good tank stats.
part of my problem is coming from full sunwell gear the set bonuses were way to good to break so most of the stuff leveling up i did not even look at, and sadly i already have full t7 so i did not look at any of the heroic loot either. going to edit the list a bit though thanks for the preliminary help.
removed some of the things that are not really that good due to lack of stat balance (0 stam and only AP and agi or lots of stam but no agi and lost of ArP)
going to edit this in to the main post come tuesday when i have more time and credit you in the main post along with some items you missed such as the 111 stam trinket from azjol heroic.
I'm noticing a lot of tanks that are carrying over from SWP are still using the Shliks cloak and im wondering does the 120 armor (give or take) really out way the 30-50 stam and other stats on similar cloaks?
Ok, now that we have every piece of leather gear you could possibly get in WotLK linked, would it be possible to sort it out by spec? Don't get me wrong, it's a great list, but it would be that much better if dps and tanking were seperate.
theres is also a druid staff that drops in H violet hold , Staff of trickery not sure if I linked it right The World of Warcraft Armory
I've noticed that even in your tanking build you took Rend and Tear, despite noting that Lacerate may not be worthwhile.
For myself, I rarely use Maul, other than as a rage dump, or when I need a little extra threat. While I accept that Rend and Tear is a solid talent for Kitty DPS, especially after the recent changes to Rake, I really don't feel it adds enough to a bear tank build to justify taking it.
Do you feel the bonus damage to Maul is really worth spending 5 talent points? Or do you take R&T just for the cat DPS bonus?
With the zomg aoe zergfest that is WoTLK dungeon content, glyphed maul w/ Rend and Tear is awsome. When tanking just about any content I can spam swipe and queue Maul with little to no times where I don't have enough rage. Maul is a huge source of threat for me when tanking along with a major amount of damage.
Seeing as how all the dungeons are zergfests, the groups expectations are for you to AoE tank everything (at least thats how it is on my server). You have to spam swipe every GCD and that doesn't leave much time for Mangle on your main target leaving Maul the choice for the big chunks of threat to the main target (and secondary since your gimping yourself if you don't have it glyphed) that might be getting single targeted. After a good amount of swipes, and a few tab lacerates, your mauls will be doing tons of threat and damage.
Last edited by Abranor; 12-12-2008 at 02:01 PM. Reason: Changed my comment about glyphed maul.
my spec is exclusivly for 25 man content, and lacerate is accually much much more threat than before, in short the threat modifier is 207.35, swipes threat is damage done x 207.35 = threat done.
lacerates threat is initial damage done x 103.67 + bleed damage done x 103.67 (which in the end works out to be damage done x 103.67). and its late so i cant find my notes but there is an innate threat value also
edit found it: lacerates initial application has 515 innate threat
Last edited by Darksend; 12-14-2008 at 01:39 AM.


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President's Notebook
My View from South Hill
Monday, December 10, 2012
Our focus at Ithaca College is on increasing our VALUE to students. Given IC's standing as one of the best student-centered learning environments in the country but also as a relatively expensive higher education option, it is my opinion that we must be focused on both parts of the value equation at this time: increasing quality while also controlling cost.
Having discussed last week what constitutes quality and how we are seeking to go from good to great in quality at IC, I would like this week to focus on the matter of cost.
As Professor Elia Kacapyr pointed out in a comment posted on my blog two weeks ago, the cost of attendance at Ithaca College has increased at 3.58 times the rate of inflation since 1983. His calculation does not take into account financial aid that is provided through the college; when you consider such aid our final cost to students has risen at "only" a bit more than twice the rate of inflation. Cumulated over decades, though, that is still a big disparity! Even more relevant is the comparison of the net cost of attending Ithaca College to growth in family incomes. The net cost of IC after financial aid has grown at twice the pace of growth in the median family income over the last decades, a trend that is causing stress among prospective students and their families. Obviously, this trend is not sustainable from the perspective of affordability.
In order to reverse the cost spiral – which is general in higher education and not unique to IC – we must reduce our expenses in order to allocate funds to quality improvement. We must also reduce the current reliance on annual cost increases that are approximately twice the rate of inflation. It is this latter task, of reducing the annual increase in student cost, that has commanded the most attention in society. President Obama, for example, has stated the goal that colleges must cut their rate of cost increase in half (to approximately the rate of inflation), and pledged in his campaign that he would seek to withhold federal financial aid dollars from colleges that do not do so. If we are to move in the direction of meeting this challenge, we will need to find on-going operating efficiencies. If you think of our costs over time as a line with an upward slope, cutting expenditures shifts the line down while finding operating efficiencies lowers the slope of the line in the future.
In the 46 years from 1962 to 2008, annual gross tuition cost increases at Ithaca College averaged 7.3% per year, including a 6.9% per year average from 2000-2008. Some of those years were high inflation years and there was also a significant increase in financial aid during that period of time. Even so, the numbers bear out the fact that IC fully participated in the general trend of an unsustainable cost spiral. From 2008 to the present – since the global economic crisis – gross tuition at IC cost has gone up by 4.9% per year. This is significantly less than our long term rate of cost increase. But if we were to meet President Obama's goal (to name just one possible objective), the rate of increase would need to come down still further to about 3.5% per year. How can such efficiencies be achieved?
Broadly speaking, there are two strategies for cost control. One is an across-the-board belt tightening. We could freeze salaries or keep salary increases minimal. We could keep all controllable budgets flat, recognizing that some of our expenses – such as for energy and for employee health care benefits – are likely to grow by much more than 3.5% from one year to the next.
The other strategy is targeted, based on a careful review of all expenditures with the aim of reducing or eliminating expenses that are not closely aligned with the quality of our core educational mission. Under a targeted approach, we would reduce expenditures in some areas in order to have the funds to maintain quality in others and even to increase our commitments in areas that significantly advance our educational quality and our vision for the future.
There is no one right answer for all situations when it comes to the choice between across-the-board and targeted cost reduction strategies. Which strategy is best at a given time depends on context and on what one is trying to achieve. In the global economic recession of 2008-2010, for example, IC adopted a one year salary freeze and every division took proportionate cuts to their operating funds. Those are classic across-the-board strategies, appropriate to a situation where the goal is to work through a temporary financial gap.
In our current situation, we are not seeking to weather a temporary economic crisis but instead to end a cost spiral that has gone on for decades. We are challenged not just to reduce our rate of tuition increase for one year, but on an ongoing basis. To adopt across-the-board strategies under these circumstances would be to paralyze the college with no financial capacity to adopt new ideas. Over time, this strategy would surely condemn IC to a slow decline. We would be able to afford only minimal salary increases year after year, leading to a loss of morale and an increase in attrition. It would not be possible to invest in further advancing quality, opening us up to the possibility of a long term erosion in both quality and reputation. In short, across-the-board strategies are not a good response when the goal is long term change.
Unlike 2008-2010, IC is now embarked on a strategic and targeted cost reduction strategy. With the help of Huron Education Consulting, we are now reviewing every aspect of our administrative organization and processes. The IC campus will review Huron recommendations early in the spring semester and offer input into the development of a plan that in future years will produce savings and generate new revenue. With the participation of the faculty, and recognizing their primacy as the experts in academic instruction, we will take parallel steps in considering how to reduce the future rate of annual growth in the cost of our academic programs.
The commitment to cost control at Ithaca College is not primarily directed at weathering a temporary budget gap or getting us through to the next period of expansive economic growth. We are seeking to find a permanent footing that will enable us to offer a world class education at a price that keeps Ithaca College accessible to students of talent from the widest possible range of economic circumstances.
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Your points here make a lot of sense, and no doubt it's a conversation many campuses are similarly having. One thing I noticed was absent from your post was any mention the college's endowment. I remember when IC's first Capital Campaign went public in 2006, we had a lot of conversations on campus about how dependent the annual budget was on tuition and the importance of creating a better foundation in the endowment.
I expect, of course, that IC's endowment was hurt by the recession, and much of the campaign was to support the new buildings on campus, including the A&E center. Could you speak a little more about the health of the college's endowment, the prospect of becoming less dependent on year-to-year tuition payments, and plans for future campaigns? Thanks!
Many faculty may be reading the blog (everyone one with one exception that I asked are!) and I just noticed another blog that the dean of the communication school created and is now displayed in
These blogs are useful and allow us as a community to exchange ideas communication and information also also and this is why I decided to write this: INSPIRATION.
Maybe some faculty will also consider writing their own blogs and share them and so we will increase the communicating between us that is so much needed.
Meeting elder residents in Oak Hill Manor once a week gave me another perspective to appreciate life and what me personally and we as a community do have. If we focus on that rather than on our problem we can have a better chance to weather the storm. So I thought to write a list of things to be grateful about (not personally but as a member of Ithaca College Community).
On the surface it looks like writing this is kind of disconnected from the grim and dark situation that Tom is painting. I am am not denying that we are facing and going to face even more difficult challenges (it reminds me of the ad hoc course we volunteer faculty ran a few weeks after the september 11 attack where hundreds of students signed up because they wanted to know WHY did it happened and were looking for some kind of guidance. I personally do feel that our whole country and it will not exclude IC is going to face hardships soon. But just because of this it is important to focus on our strengths and I believe that both Tom and Diane or trying to lead us to face them.)
So here is my list:
We have an amazing place. Ithaca, the finger lakes, gorges, trees, Cornell University nearby....
We have jobs! We have wonderful jobs. Not just faculty but I want to focus on that. We have a chance t interact with young people, many of us have the security of tenure. Some of us may want to decrease our contact hours but many of us are very happy with the current situation. I am thinking of many teachers (music school for example) who teach many hours a week and find it so rewarding because they see the impact that they have on their students.
There are other aspect for faculty to be so grateful about and this is the fact that we help young people realize their dreams and this is also what helps us remember our dreams and keep young in our hearts. One of the residents of Oak Hill, Florence is 97 years old but people keep visiting her from the community because they find her company so refreshing. What a wonderful opportunity and privilege we have to interact with young people, teach them but also learn from them because if we set the ego aside we know that age and degrees are not a real measure of maturity and every semester we meet students are are actually our teachers even though we may now always know it. I have a student this semester and some of you may actually know him. His name is Jonathan Cummings who is a Sophmore and an RA and makes a huge difference in the lives of other students. Even though he is taking the lowest level math class (Math Fundamentals) his talent for Math is amazing. He understands concepts intuitively. Jonathan does not have time to come to every class and at first I felt a little upset but after learning more about what he is doing, how much work he has to do, what an impact he has an RA and in other way on other students I realized that judging him was a mistake. He recently wrote a paper where he described his life philosophy and how his parents and other circumstances helped him acquire these precious human values that are more precious than salaries, contact hours or even Gold :). I hope to share this paper with you. Think how the world changes through leaders. Mother Teresa, Wendy Kopp http://www.teachforamerica.org/our-organization/our-history
and million other dreamers who continue to transform the works.
There so many other aspects to be grateful about: We have an amazingly beautiful campus with a chapel and a pond by it that is serene. The grounds folks plant flowers and every spring they greet us. The stuff of Ithaca College are dedicated and work many hours and they have a chance to take classes for free. Working in a college environment is usually much less stressful than a regular job.
Many faculty may not agree with me but I think that we do have an amazing president. We may not agree with the president on everything but we need to be careful because the human tendency is to project outside what we do not want to see within ourselves. I think that Tom sincerely cares for IC even though he may not see clearly the problems but no one ever does. This is an opportunity for growth and learning. Tom is facing a very very difficult situation because he sees the mounting difficulties coming both from outside and inside and has much more information than we do and yet is not able to connect with faculty. When Peggy came to campus after JJ there were difficult meeting with faculty because JJ rule was perceived as controlling and authoritarian while in Truth Peggy was very open and willing to make changes. Finally she said one day to the faculty: Be careful. If you keep defining me that way I may eventually become that. The dream of 20/20 came about because Tom felt intuitively that the clouds will eventually come and wanted IC to be prepared but the faculty in general was not supportive. The bottom line is that we need to keep an open mind and see that Tom has unique gifts that can help us all as a community. Even the fact that he is writing this weekly blog is a gift for us.
We should not forget the group of people who support the college selflessly and this is the board of trustees. The name trustees says it all. They Love IC and serve it for many years. They do not have an investment in it like we do (salaries etc.) but serve because they care. I am sure that at least some of them are reading and very much aware about what is going on and are trying to find ways to help us become stronger. Maybe it is time to break walls and have also open communication with and by the board?
Another thing that comes to mind is the fact that we have young faculty who care and a lot of renewal will happen at IC as the older folks like me come closer to say goodbye. These amazing young faculty will give IC the energy and vision to survive and amazing newness will eventually emerge here on South Hill.
There is so much more to be grateful about.
I am pleased to see the IC leadership team tackling this issue. I believe the US higher education "industry" is in a similar place as the US airline industry was in 1980. The industry was both labor and capital intensive. Costs were high, competition existed but everyone knew how to play the game. In 1981 Peoples Express was launched and that was a transformative event which changed the industry forever. One only has to look at the carnage wrought in the airline industry over the last 30 years to understand what could happen to higher education in the future. I believe getting IC's cost increases below the rate of inflation is the only way to ensure a bright future.
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The Venezuelan has had three mixed seasons with Williams as he picked up only one point in his debut campaign in 2011, but he bounced back last year with a maiden race win in Spain and 45 points for the season. This year has also been difficult as his P10 in Hungary is the team's only point to date.
The Grove squad are yet to confirm their line-up for 2014 and Maldonado, who has been backed by state oil company PDVSA since his debut, concedes his future is uncertain.
"I hope I will be on the grid, but you never know," he told Autosport.
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Angkor, Cambodia
The site lies a 20-minute tuk-tuk ride from the city of Siem Reap, with the bulk of visitors traveling between November and February, when the weather is dry and temperatures are coolest (25-30 C). You can explore Cambodia on a Geckos Adventures tour.
Acropolis, Greece
It's possible to take a tour to the site, or simply wander there from Athens on foot. The route along Adrianou Street to the back entrance of the site is a gentler climb than the Dionysus Theatre entrance. For more information, visit the Greece tourism website.
Bagan, Myanmar
Located in Myanmar's central west, Bagan is serviced by flights, buses and trains from Yangon. Accommodation is centered in the surrounding villages of New Bagan and Nyaung Oo. Tours available with Intrepid.
Galápagos Islands, Ecuador
Located nearly 1,000 kilometers from mainland Ecuador, the islands are serviced by flights from Quito and Guayaquil. Multi-day boat cruises are generally the best way to explore the islands. Celebrity Cruises will get you around the Galápagos in style.
Göreme National Park and the Rock Sites of Cappadocia, Turkey
Due to the remote nature of the site in central Anatolia, most visitors opt to fly in from Istanbul to visit the area on a tour, or drive. Hotels cut out of the rock provide accommodation. For more information, visit the Turkey tourism website.
Great Barrier Reef, Australia
Larger islands are well-serviced by flights from mainland Australia. It's also possible to visit the reef via day trips from northern Queensland ports including Cairns and Port Douglas. For more information, visit the Tropical North Queensland Tourism website.
Hampi, India
Hampi is serviced by overnight bus from Goa. Trains run to nearby Hospet from Chennai, Mumbai, Bangalore, Delhi and Calcutta, and visitors will find a good range of low- to mid-range lodgings around Hampi village. Tours available through On The Go Tours.
Iguazu National Park, Brazil and Argentina
The less-developed but refreshingly uncrowded Brazilian side of the falls is a half-hour bus ride from the city of Foz do Iguaçu. It's the same distance to the falls from Puerto Iguazu on the Argentine side. The two countries are connected via a bridge downriver of the falls. For more information, visit the Argentina tourism website.
Los Glaciares National Park, Argentina
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Machu Picchu, Peru
Several multi-day treks terminate at Machu Picchu, but it's also possible to take a train from Cusco to Aguas Calientes, and climb a steep flight of stairs or bus up to the site. Only the first 400 daily visitors are granted entry to Wayna Picchu, a separate set of ruins overlooking the main complex. Tucan Travel offers a range of tour options.
Mont-Saint-Michel, France
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Petra, Jordan
Buses and day/overnight tours run from Jordan's capital Amman and the port city of Aqaba. It's also possible to organize tours from Egypt, and the Israeli resort town of Eilat. For longer stays, bunk down in Wadi Musa, Petra's neighboring town. For more information, visit the Jordan tourism website.
Pyramids of Giza, Egypt
Just 25 kilometers southwest of Cairo along the Nile River, the complex is most easily visited on a day trip from Egypt's capital. For more information, visit the Egypt tourism website.
Rapa Nui, Chile
While it's possible to access Easter Island by air from Tahiti, most visitors opt for the five-and-a-half hour flight from Santiago, Chile. For more information, visit the Chile tourism website.
Serengeti National Park, Tanzania
The short October/November and March/April rainy seasons notwithstanding, the Serengeti, usually accessed via Kilimanjaro or Nairobi airports, offers great game viewing year-round. For tours, visit the Audley Travel website.
Sigiriya, Sri Lanka
The central Sri Lankan site is located two to three hours by local bus from the city of Kandy (via Dambulla, home to a massive cave temple complex). It's also possible to organize a tour or personal driver from Kandy. For more information, visit the Sri Lanka tourism website.
Tulum, Mexico
Located a few minutes drive from the small Yucatan Peninsula township of Tulum, the easily accessible ruins lie about 60 kilometers south of the larger township of Playa del Carmen, and a further 60 kilometers from Cancun. For more information, visit the Mexico tourism website.
Valletta, Malta
Just south of Sicily, Malta is connected by flights from across Europe. It's possible to lodge in Valletta, but the bulk of visitors make for the tiny nation's beach resorts. For more information, visit the Malta tourism website.
Venice and its lagoon, Italy
Venice is served by nearby Marco Polo and Treviso airports, while trains arrive at the Venezia Santa Lucia train station in the western part of the city. For more information, visit the Italy tourism website.
Yellowstone National Park, United States
Located around 100 kilometers from Jackson Hole, Wyoming, the closest major airport hub, the park has five main access points. Most visitors choose to drive throughout the park, camping en route. For more information, visit the Wyoming tourism website.
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The Pacific coast representative of the yellow-bellied sapsucker complex, the red-breasted sapsucker differs from other sapsuckers in its almost entirely red head and breast. Identification is complicated by frequent hybridization with the red-naped from British Columbia south to eastern California, as well as by more limited hybridization with the yellow-bellied in British Columbia. Polytypic. Length 8" (22 cm).
Identification The head and breast are almost entirely red, and the black breast patch is lacking. The back shows 2 rows of whitish or yellow-buff spots or bars, but this patterning is very limited in northern birds. Adult: red head and breast, pale yellow belly, back black with geographically variable yellow-buff to white barring on the sides of the back and lower back; white rump and white patch on wing coverts resemble other sapsuckers. The sexes are similar, but females (at least in southern populations) tend to show more pale markings on the rectrices. Many birds, especially when worn, show a ghost of underlying black in the auriculars and chest and black-and-white patterning in the malar region; the red of worn birds may appear paler and more orange-red. Juvenile: brown head and extensive brown mottling below; darker than both the juvenile red-naped and yellow-bellied, with less facial patterning. Adultlike plumage attained by September, though underparts are duller and mottled with brown.
Geographic Variation Two subspecies. Nominate ruber breeds from southern Oregon northward; daggetti occupies the remainder of the range. Nominate birds show deeper and more extensive red on the breast, which is more sharply delineated from the pale belly; more limited white spotting on the flight feathers; a deeper yellow wash on the belly; and a more extensively black back with limited yellowish buff cross bars.
Similar Species Compare with the red-naped sapsucker; extensive hybridization renders many individuals with intermediate head patterns unidentifiable.
Status and Distribution Common. Breeding: moist coniferous forests, mixed oak-conifer riparian woodlands in coastal mountain ranges, usually in lower and wetter habitats than Williamson's. Subspecies daggetti is largely limited to montane habitats from about 4,000 to 8,000 feet. The red-breasted woodpecker hybridizes frequently with the red-naped in the Cascades and eastern Sierra Nevada. Winter: northernmost populations (e.g., in southeastern Alaska, British Columbia) withdraw southward (though resident on Queen Charlotte Island), and higher-elevation breeders generally withdraw to lower elevations. Winters widely around deciduous trees, orchards, and parks in lowlands adjacent to breeding range from southwestern British Columbia to southern California, and south to northwestern Baja California. Northern nominate birds have been found as far south as San Diego, California, and southern Arizona. Vagrant: casual east to Arizona, New Mexico, central Texas, Sonora, and northwest to Kodiak Island, Alaska.
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MADISONVILLE, Ky. (11/14/13) - The Madisonville Police Department released the following arrest reports on Thursday, Nov. 14.
Sharod Valentine, 49, of Fullerton Calif., was served an arrest warrant on Nov. 13. The arresting officer was Kyle Pharris.
Miranda Dukes, 22, of Earlington was served an arrest warrant on Nov 13 for another police agency (McLean County). The arresting officer was Jared Ward.
James Meyers, 51, of Madisonville was arrested on Nov. 13 for disorderly conduct and terroristic threatening. The arresting officer was Sean McCance.
Timothy Cox, 49, of Owensboro was arrested on Nov. 13 for theft by unlawful taking – shoplifting. The arresting officer was Sean McCance.
Joshua Eigelbach, 28, of Louisville was served an arrest warrant on Nov. 13 for fugitive from another state. The arresting officer was Corey Miller.
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Despite only losing out to Kimi Raikkonen in Friday's second practice, Mark Webber concedes he won't be starting the Bahrain GP from pole as he faces a three-place penalty.
Putting the medium tyres on his RB9 after the first 30 minutes of second practice, Webber shot to the front of the timesheets with a 1:34.184. That time proved to be unbeatable as first Sebastian Vetetl and then Fernando Alonso tried.
However, minutes later it was Raikkonen's turn on the medium tyres and he did succeed where the others had failed, going 0.030s quicker than Webber's best.
But despite finishing up second, the Aussie, who covered just 26 laps on Friday afternoon, saying he's "pretty happy" with his Red Bull racer.
"We didn't get to do enough laps unfortunately in P2," Webber said. "I will have to rely on Sebastian's data, and see how it went for him.
"Overall when I was on track I was not too bad at all, I'm pretty happy with the car.
"But never, ever rest on our laurels, there's still areas to improve, and we need to say how we're progressing on both cars as well in terms of developments, and pick out what we need for tomorrow.
"I think the car looks really competitive, but again we see Kimi arrive for one lap every now and again and he's still very, very fast.
"Kimi is strong, Ferrari are strong, Mercedes is still there as well. It's very, very tight, the first three or four rows are very, very tight on time, and the Force Indias are in there as well."
The one thing the 36-year-old is sure of ahead of Saturday's qualifying is that no matter how well he does, he won't be starting the grand prix from pole position after being slapped with a three-place penalty for hitting Jean-Eric Vergne in China.
"Let's see how qualifying goes, and then after that obviously the race is more important. Especially for me with the penalty, for sure I won't be starting on pole! But I need to clear people in the race somehow."
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