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BALLWIN, MISSOURI -- I have since been in contact with Ford Corporate, including the Executive Offices, Zone Manager and District Manager. There attitude towards the customer has been deplorable. I plan on resubmitting the below letter back to the Executive Offices with an update of what has transpired. I strongly urge anyone who reads this not to buy a Ford product. It is no wonder that they are being debt has been downgraded. I actually spoke to the District Manager on a day where there was an article in the paper that sales on Ford Explorer's were down 35% within the last year. Also, that this % decline is higher than comparable SUV's of other manufacturers. I would think customer satisfaction would play a large role into that.
Just see the letter, I sent to Ford Corporate below:
I am writing you this letter in reference to the experiences that I have had with my 2002 Ford Explorer and the level of service (or lack thereof) that I have received from my local dealership (Bo Beuckman-Missouri). In June of last year my rear axle seal began to leak. I brought the car into the dealership for repair. Within a few weeks, one of my alert lights on the dashboard was activated, so I brought the car back into the service shop to have it checked out. The Dealership informed me that the rear axle had a groove in it, caused by a faulty seal, was causing the leak. The rear axle would have to be replaced. The axle took over a week to be replaced. Once I took possession of the car, it had a discernable knocking to it as I drove. I immediately turned around and gave the car back to the service department. The Service Manager claimed that one of the technicians had forgotten to reattach a brake cable that was then hitting the tire.
Two days after picking up the car once the knocking noise was repaired, I was driving my son (one year old at the time) to his grandmother's house on my way to work. I noticed that the car did not "feel" right. It almost felt that the car was out of alignment, but it was not driving terribly. After I dropped my son off and went to work, I started thinking more and more about the car and the way it drove on the way in. I called the Service Department at Beuckman and told them that I would be bringing the car back in at the end of the day. As the day went on, I had a sneaking suspicion that I should not pick up my son on the way home in that car. I really had little reason to feel that way, but the car just did not "feel" right. For me to pick up my son, I have to go 15 miles further than if I would go straight to the dealership (all highway). I called my wife at her work and asked her to go get him and take him home. This was no small task as her place of employment to pick up my son and back, in traffic, is about an hour and half.
On the highway on the way to the dealership, the car started to shimmy at 50 miles per hour. I slowed down the rest of the way, and thought it best that once I got close to the dealership (which is not far from my house) to cut through neighborhoods. After I exited the highway and had started to cut through some subdivisions, I started to hear a crunching sound from the rear of the vehicle and the car was bucking wildly at any speed over 5 miles per hour. I peered out to the left rear wheel while driving only to find that it had lodged loose and had all but fallen off. I stopped the car just three miles from the dealership. I just sat there stunned, thankful, and angry before calling the dealership. I realized that had I picked up my son, that the two of us would have been on the highway at the time. The ensuing accident would have had the potential to be very serious. We got lucky that something had told me not to go get him. The service department stated that faulty bearings caused the reason for the mishap. At the same time they informed me that every time that you recalibrate those bearings like you have to when you replace the axle, they weaken. They should have put new bearings on the car. Rather, they took the cheap way out and put my family and I in great risk.
At that time, I contacted the General Manager of Beuckman Ford, Mr. Larry Perez, to discuss what had happened. I explained the entire situation with him from the beginning. I was very courteous, patient, and polite. He even commented to me at the time how reasonable and forgiving I was being considering what could have happened to me and my family. I never asked for one thing other than Mr. Perez's word that the car would be fixed and be safe for me and my family. Mr. Perez gave his word that the car would be thoroughly tested and that if anything happened in that area of the car again, that I could contact him directly. He also offered me an Extended Service Contract for my trouble and again thanked me for being so understanding. I thanked him and told him that I hoped I would never have to discuss this matter with him again.
About one month ago, a fluid started leaking from the rear of my vehicle again. I immediately knew what the cause of it was. I made an appointment with the service department and emailed Mr. Perez and reminded him of what had happened previously. I informed him that my car would be there on the following Monday and that I would speak to him then about what to do about the situation. The service department called that afternoon to confirm my suspicions, the rear axle seal was leaking again. The same repair that escalated into an extremely dangerous situation last time. I called Mr. Perez once I knew that it indeed was the same issue that he gave me his word would not occur again. He agreed to meet with me at the dealership.
During this meeting, I discussed my frustration and anger at the situation, that there needed to be some kind of resolution to the situation. I told Mr. Perez that I no longer wanted the car. I reminded him that I could have sued or complained last time since they put me in such danger last time. I could have demanded a new car (by trying to enforce the lemon law) or some sort of compensation, but I didn't. I am not the type of person who asks to gain something for nothing. I told him that I was giving him and Ford one more chance to back your product and service. I asked him to give me some numbers to look at on trading the car back in and purchasing a new one. I reiterated to him that I was giving him one chance to make good on what happened previously. Mr. Perez called me back (after I had to call him a number of times) the next day quoting numbers, saying he was saving me a lot of money because I was such a good customer. I told him that I would look at the numbers and talk to him following day. To my surprise, I awake the next morning I see an ad in the paper, quoting the exact rebates that Mr. Perez had quoted me. When I spoke to Mr. Perez, he also said he could not do much on trade-in value other than wholesale. In essence, he would give me the exact same deal as I could get walking into another dealer that I had no history with. I felt that he was giving me a snow job, telling me that he is going to give a great deal because of what happened, and what a great customer I am.
I decided later that day to go into see Mr. Perez to discuss this further and go through the numbers. I also showed him the ad from his competitor. He gave me some excuses as to why the other dealer was offering a very similar deal that he offered me. Beuckman even has two 2004 models that they cannot get rid of, that I told him would be acceptable automobiles to talk about. The only stipulation was that I did not want my payment to greatly increase. I told him, that I really did not want to buy a new car right now as I have a two year old and a 7 ½ month pregnant wife, but they had put me in a position that I felt I had to. We went back and forth for about an hour and he would not move on the price. We were still $3500 apart on a car that they self admittedly could not unload off of their lot. Mr. Perez was saying that they were handcuffed by the corporate office on the price.
This was the first time I let my frustration be known. I requested to discuss the matter directly with Mr. Beuckman and informed him that I would be contacting Ford's corporate office if there was not some sort of resolution (He told me that traditionally corporate Ford will not do much to assist the customer). I told him that given what had happened to the car that they sold me and serviced, that I should be entitled to some greater leniency than a customer off the street. Especially since their product and service had previously endangered my family and I. I also reminded him again, that in the past I had been a stand-up, honest person in a situation that others would have taken advantage of. I felt that I was being punished now for doing what I thought was the right thing when the problems first escalated. It made me feel that the only way they would work with me was to have gotten into a bad accident. This is a horrible way to do business! They are more interested in the "short term" bottom line than self admittedly putting me and my family at risk. I am a relatively young man with a young family who will buy many cars in the years to come. This was/is an opportunity to gain a customer for life, and quite frankly I feel as if I am getting the short end of the stick here. Trading $3500 (Less actually if you count the turnaround on my trade-in) for a potential longtime customer willing to put more of his money on the table, even though he has had some serious issues in the past. Joe Beuckman, through Mr. Perez, went even so far as to say that "making me right" is not a good business decision. I work in the business world and have never seen such blatant disregard for the customer. I also have never seen such shortsightedness in terms of long term profitability and customer satisfaction.
The really aggravating part is that during this whole process, it took their service department four days to fix my car when it should have taken a maximum of two. Once I did get the vehicle back, it was leaking heavier than when I gave it to them. They had to come get the car from my place of business. Their claim is that, they did not properly clean the residual fluid once the seal was again replaced. Now that I have the vehicle back, I fully expect it to start leaking again in the near future. I will be trading in that vehicle at some point in the near future, whether it is on another Ford product is up to Ford.
Mr. Ford, I hope you can think of some resolution to this matter. I have been as fair as I can be. I was not asking for much and was willing to pay over $22,000 of my money for your product. I was basically told that my business was not wanted. You are in danger of losing a customer for life due to your dealership's lack of willingness to do the right thing. Also, something needs to be done to correct the errors that are made in this particular shop. If not for me, then please do something for the next customer. I do not know how these service shops receive and maintain their "Blue Oval" certification, but quality is not something I would associate with Beuckman's service. Most of the problems I referenced above were a direct result of not only the product, but poor service. I am afraid one of these days, they will do something to a customer similar to what they did to me, but that person will not be as fortunate as I was.
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I have purchased 3 Ford Explorers and a Mustang within the last 12 years. The latest purchase was a 2008 Explorer in which I purchased out from a lease in December of 2010. Just within the past few weeks of June 2011, I noticed the center caps were corroding with white colored bumps.
I presented this problem to my local Ford Dealer in Hackensack, NJ and the service manager advised me that it was metal corrosion. He contacted Ford Motors in Detroit, MI. They replied to him by stating that since I am at 37,000 miles, the 3 year 36,000 miles original warranty no longer apply to cover me for new rims. I also purachased the premium 3 year warranty when I purchased the lease.
The service manager had the owner of the dealership contact Ford Motors in Detroit and they would not budge, even after he explained to them that I am a loyal Ford customer. I was pretty disgusted with their reply. The Ford Motor Company showed no customer loyalty. I will not purchase another Ford product.
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madconsumer on 06/23/2011:
I don't get it, it is out of warranty.
trmn8r on 06/23/2011:
Your manufacturer's warranty has expired. There was another complaint today about a Nissan with clear coat problems, and that consumer was also past the 36,000 mile warranty.
I doubt the "Premium" warranty you speak of is the same as a the original bumper to bumper one - it most likely does not cover this.
As far as loyalty, I honestly don't believe that factors into this. If I was a first-time Ford buyer in the same position, I'd expect to be treated just the same as a "loyal" customer. Whatever warranty is in place is what creates a level playing field.
redmx3racer on 06/24/2011:
Center caps are separate pieces from the rims. If only the center caps are bad, why are you asking for new rims? Center caps these days are generally made out of plastic. They probably cost between $15-$40 each.
My advice is follow up with Ford yourself. Sometimes companies will listen and be more willing to help a consumer directly than going through a 3rd party.
ChuhBaca on 06/24/2011:
I had some center caps stolen from my vehicle. I found another set cheap on eBay. That would probably be the best place to check.
Loyalty to any company that large is loyalty wasted. They don't know your name and they have countless other "loyal" customers. Loyalty will not be returned by any of these companies. It doesn't matter if it's Ford, GM, Toyota, Target, Wal-Mart, Verizon...some may say you are rewarded as a loyal customer, but they have no true loyalty to you. Any time they use the word "loyalty" it's a marketing gimick or a "customer retention campaign" (which happens when customers start flooding elsewhere).
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WEST HAVEN, CONNECTICUT -- From the moment I drove the thing off the lot I have had nothing but problems. When making a left turn and depressing the signal indicator, it would keep popping up. That was the 1st day. Drivers side/rear seat belt would not work - 2nd week, tire pressure sensors constantly going off. That I could deal with, but the best is when the tone ring on the braking system broke. The noise was unbelievable. You would have thought I drove over a thousand soda cans. Then the sunroof begins to leak, but not where you would think, the water was pouring out of the overhead lamp switch - the reason - short tracks on the sunroof. I don't even use the stupid thing and the cover is always closed. Tire sensor broke and created a nice big bubble in my brand new tire. Oh and when they tell you they will give you new tires if all of your services are done at the dealership that is a bunch of crap. We had that agreement with our lease and of course when we went to have the tires done we got the big song and dance. The above mentioned items happened between Dec 07 & Feb 08 - all were taken care of or so we thought. July 7, 2008 the shifter breaks.
How the heck does a shifter break - today, July 24, the sunroof is leaking again. I can only imagine the mold that is growing. Lease is not until June 2009. I get the usual song and dance every time I go in to the shop. It is now 1:20pm and I have yet to hear from service. I heard from one of the owners, but was given no answer. The vehicle was taken in at 8:15 this morning with water pouring in - when I left the dealer 10 minutes after dropping the vehicle off - it was still outside and it was raining pretty hard - so I am sure that the cup holders have a nice bit of water in them and I am sure that the drivers seat is still soaked.
But I was told by one of the owners that after reviewing my problems I should consider myself lucky that nothing really bad has happened. She just jinxed me. So frustrating and even more so I can't get out of the lease. I had a 2003 and I never had any problems with it. I should have kept it.
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how many miles are on this vehicle?
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AUSTIN, TEXAS -- I'm never buying another Ford. I used to be a staunch "Buy American" consumer. As American car companies market share continued to plummet, I continued to feel that it is my patriotic duty to buy American.
Well, I finally woke up and realized that everyone else is right, and that I was naive.
Last week the O/D light came on in my Ford Explorer. I drove it right home and got the manual out to see what the problem was. "Transmission problem" was what the manual indicated, as well as several websites I reviewed.
I didn't worry at first, since I figured this would be covered under warranty. My Explorer is just under 5 years old and just under 60K miles.
Surely there would at least be a 60K power train warranty. No one would buy a vehicle if they knew the transmission would only last 59K miles.
Well, the dealer told me a new transmission was needed (5th and 2nd gears were worn down), that it would cost $3500, and that it is not covered by warranty. And to add insult to injury he charged me $90 to tell me the transmission was bad (something I obviously knew) - isn't this similar to stealing?
I then asked him what trade in value I could get (not that I really would buy another poor quality Ford, but I wanted to explore all options). $5500 is the most they could give. I laughed - since I had taken very good care of the vehicle. It told me that they didn't want the vehicle either - so much for them really standing behind their product. They know the quality is poor. Obviously I was quite irritated. I asked what caused this. None of the possibilities applied since I took good care of the vehicle and had it serviced according to the maintenance manual. In fact, the dealer (Cover Ford in Austin) did the 30K checkup. I spent $1K on that (and probably got ripped off).
I took it to a transmission specialist and had it fixed for under $2500. He informed me that he sees a lot of issus like this with Explorers - probably a poor design and poor quality. Also, judging by various websites there are indeed lots of complains like this.
I wouldn't be surprised if Ford knew of the poor design - since the warranty that came with the vehicle was only 3 yr/36K even for powertrain. If Ford had good quality, why couldn't they step up to the plate and offer 60K or even 100K power train warranty. They must have known the poor quality. In my mind, this is deceptive practice - and I kick myself for not recognizing this as a red flag.
Well, for the 2008 Explorer I see Ford is offering 60K powertrain warranty. So they must have made some improvements (which further underscores their recognition of the poor quality in earlier years). But it's still a far cry from 100K that some vehicles come with. You also have to wonder what other quality issues are lurking.
I think the choice is now clear to me. In the future I will be considering something like a Honda Pilot. Ford deserves the trend of lower market share.
Consumers are very wise, and the quality the provide is reflected in their declining sales and marketshare.
Please don't make the same mistake I made. The foreign competition provides much better quality and customer service.
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Anonymous on 12/08/2007:
The Korean cars come with the best warranty packages but that's the only incentive they have for people to drive them of the lot. If you want good vehicles I would advise looking in to the other big three Toyota Honda Nissan very good vehicles indeed. My Aunt has a 93 corolla still going strong. As for ford if most of there revenue didn't come from gas guzzling suvs they wouldn't be in so much trouble Having a Guy in charge that knows nothing about cars isn't helping them either.
Anonymous on 12/08/2007:
I with wallyworld on the Toyota's I have owned a few and I think they have one of the best cars going and it's made right here in America. Most Fords are made in Mexico.
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I agree with Lid Toyota Just opened a Huge plant in Texas for the new Tundra lots of new jobs Toyota is opening plants in the united states while the big three are closing up shop and sending manufacturing overseas.
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Ford recently closed down a plant near me in Norfolk, VA. That's a pretty big statement, to me.
On the other hand, I currently have a beef with Joe Isuzu...(AH, don't you wish you could just look up one individual, and, have them answer to you?).
MRM on 12/09/2007:
Does anybody remember the commercial where Joe Isuzu flips a Jeep Cherokee off a wooden see-saw? This commercial was shown in the late 1980's. I'm trying to find that commercial on YouTube or anywhere else to no avail.
Anonymous on 12/09/2007:
I drove a Toyota Tacoma pickup for 238,000 miles and never did anything to it except oil changes, brakes and a muffler. I wouldn't take a Ford, for free.
LisMur30 on 12/10/2007:
You were taking about Ford Stepping up the warranty for their products.... I have a 2006 Explorer Limited... I have had it 16 months and it has been in the shop a total of 71 days for the transmission. I took FORD to arbitration and won a repurchase. When I got to reading on they are charging me to have used this vehicle for the 16 months (on top of the 10,000 I have already paid). They expect me to pay an additional 4,000 dollars to them. This is BULLSH*T! I think I should get a reinbursment for the time that it was in the shop! This is BAD very BAD!!! Do these people not realize that without us consumers they wouldn't have a freaking paycheck??? Something needs to be done about this!
Aerocave on 12/12/2007:
I have written of the narrowing quality gap between domestic (GM, Ford, Chrysler) and import vehicles (Mainly Toyota, Honda and Nissan) before...and I still stick to my original point. Yes, Ford, GM, Chrysler have all had issues in the past with inferior quality...but at our dealership (We sell GM and Honda), our biggest "problem" in our service department is the continued decline in warranty work on GM vehicles...believe it or not it is 50% less than what it was 3 years ago...Yet, Honda, on the other hand, has had continual increase in warranty issues, "stop sells," recalls, transmission problems, "fit and finish" complaints, etc--yet the general public still feels that the quality is so much better--Honda does make a very good car--but the evidence that I am talking about supports the fact that so does GM (I do feel Ford is still a bit behind, but their quality continues to improve as well). And Toyota...You know they have a problem when the CEO admits the quality is not where it should be...
sf_gray on 04/10/2008:
Same experience with the Explorer. Most maintenance hard to perform, due to poor design. Don't let any lights in center of dash go out, because they don't have replacements, you can buy the entire switch for 4wd, rear wiper etc, but they don't carry bulbs. In fact, for the rear wiper bulb they charged me $24, a month later I don't have it, I call, and they say they didn't call, because it is not available anymore. Oh and if I want them to refund what I paid, I have to come in. Ford and Alexander Ford, Franklin, TN leave quite a bit to be desired. I'll stick with my domestic made foreign brands from now on, doing so puts food on the tables of American workers and they still remember what quality and service is.
bucks on 05/09/2008:
Check out my problem. My 2003 Explorer has been in the local mechanics garage for the past 6 weeks due to bad rear tie rods. There is a national back order of this part. In other words, no parts available in the country until June 10, another 4 weeks. Ford has never answered my question about why these parts aren't available. Their customer service department is great at avoiding questions. This was our only family vehicle and so we had to rent a car for two weeks. It cost us $440 but no where near your transmission. However, due to Ford not having their act together, I am paying for more than just the cost of parts and labor. My wife and figured we better put the money into a new car instead of a rental since it would be over$2400 by the time we get our car back. We went and got a Honda CR-V with only a 3 year-36000 warranty and I'm not worried one bit. I have a 1994 Accord coupe that still runs great and the only problems it has had is what I have done to it. Everyone that I have talked to can't believe my situation and asked if Ford was going to pick up my rental car fee. I only tell them one thing. Don't by a Ford. I'm through with Ford. Watch my video on Youtube in a week. Don't expect Ford to pay for the parts but could they at least have the parts available?
lexusmaven on 07/31/2008:
Th at is exactly what happened to my 2005 explorer!@53,000m they quoted me $ 3,767.00 to rebuild it. Did you know that a brand new trans. for the 05 explorer is $2479.00! Like you never again will I buy a Ford product,and no they won't stand behind their vehicles.
GT460 on 01/18/2009:
I have a 2002 explorer xlt 4 door 4x4 that I bought new in 2002. I had to replace the right rear hub bearing assy.@175,000 miles, I replaced the original automatic transmission @196,000 miles and I am getting ready to have a rear outer tierod end replaced and it now has 207,000 miles. I can not say anything bad about mine as it has 207,000 miles on it and THE only major repair was the transmission.
thamps on 09/04/2013:
its got a poor transmission that's sure to give away after 150000 km and AC system needs to be replaced in gulf at least twice.
All this cost huge money. There are other better performers
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Don't buy a Ford
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I'm never buying another Ford. I used to be a staunch "Buy American" consumer. As American car companies market share continued to plummet, I continued to feel that it is my patriotic duty to buy American.
Well, I finally woke up and realized that everyone else is right, and that I was naive.
Last week the O/D light came on in my Ford Explorer. I drove it right home and got the manual out to see what the problem was. "Transmission problem" was what the manual indicated, as well as several websites I reviewed.
I didn't worry at first, since I figured this would be covered under warranty. My Explorer is just under 5 years old and just under 60K miles. Surely there would at least be a 60K power train warranty. No one would buy a vehicle if they knew the transmission would only last 59K miles.
Well, the dealer told me a new transmission was needed (5th and 2nd gears were worn down), that it would cost $3500, and that it is not covered by warranty. And to add insult to injury he charged me $90 to tell me the transmission was bad (something I obviously knew) - isn't this similar to stealing?
I then asked him what trade in value I could get (not that I really would buy another poor quality Ford, but I wanted to explore all options). $5500 is the most they could give. I laughed - since I had taken very good care of the vehicle. It told me that they didn't want the vehicle either - so much for them really standing behind their product. They know the quality is poor.
Obviously I was quite irritated. I asked what caused this. None of the possibilities applied since I took good care of the vehicle and had it serviced according to the maintenance manual. In fact, the dealer (Cover Ford in Austin) did the 30K checkup. I spent $1K on that (and probably got ripped off).
I took it to a transmission specialist and had it fixed for under $2500. He informed me that he sees a lot of issues like this with Explorers - probably a poor design and poor quality. Also, judging by various websites there are indeed lots of complains like this.
I wouldn't be surprised if Ford knew of the poor design - since the warranty that came with the vehicle was only 3 yr/36K even for powertrain. If Ford had good quality, why couldn't they step up to the plate and offer 60K or even 100K power train warranty. They must have known the poor quality. In my mind, this is deceptive practice - and I kick myself for not recognizing this as a red flag.
Well, for the 2008 Explorer I see Ford is offering 60K powertrain warranty. So they must have made some improvements (which further underscores their recognition of the poor quality in earlier years). But it's still a far cry from 100K that some vehicles come with. You also have to wonder what other quality issues are lurking.
I think the choice is now clear to me. In the future I will be considering something like a Honda Pilot. Ford deserves the trend of lower market share. Consumers are very wise, and the quality the provide is reflected in their declining sales and market share.
Please don't make the same mistake I made. The foreign competition provides much better quality and customer service.
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Aerocave on 10/28/2007:
There are other American car companies other than Ford...GM has been producing some great cars and the quality has been good as well.
F.Y.I. I work for a GM/Honda dealership, and I have to tell you, Honda still makes a great vehicle, but our warranty work has almost doubled in the past five years--while GM's warranty work has consistently gone down every year...This is fact.
Hugh_Jorgen on 10/29/2007:
The newest Consumer reports rankings shows Ford gaining quality points and Toyota losing points - just FYI.
Anonymous on 10/29/2007:
I drive a 2000 Ford truck and love it. Never had a major problem with it. I agree Ford is making great gains in quality.
KCRovert on 10/29/2007:
I had the same problem with my 2002 Explorer. The 2002-2005 models used a "sealed" transmission that appears to have been garbage. They know it is a defect, but because it is not a "life-threatening" defect, there is nothing they (Ford) will do about it.
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Blown engine in 2003 Ford Explorer
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Dear Fellow Consumers,
Thinking of purchasing a new or used vehicle? I highly recommend staying away from Ford. I recently shipped my 2003 Ford Explorer as part of a government move (I am an active duty member of the United States military). When my Ford arrived at my destination and was started, the engine literally blew up. My Ford was towed to a nearby Ford dealer where it was determined that the issue was "mechanical failure" of the engine. Assuming something had occurred during shipping, I was surprised when the mechanic told me that sometimes the "plastic pieces inside the engine cassette come loose, causing the timing chain to slip, and the valve cover to blow off". I was also surprised to hear there is plastic in the engine… Anyway, my Ford Explorer was a total loss. Attempts to get assistance from Ford Motor Company were fruitless.
To those of you who have had good luck with Ford products, I truly hope your good luck continues. To those of you in the market for a new or used vehicle, I strongly urge you to stay away from Ford products. I purchased my Ford Explorer brand new back in 2003 and was hoping to drive it for many years to come. I will personally never purchase another Ford product.
- Your fellow consumer.
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trmn8r on 10/30/2010:
Sounds like a plastic timing chain guide failed. At least that is a common failure. Hindsight is 20-20, as reports seem to have started popping up in 2007. I'm sorry this happened to you.
MRM on 10/30/2010:
The good news is, you certainly can afford to buy another vehicle.
getoverit on 10/31/2010:
When a vehicle is getting to be seven or eight years old and something goes wrong, you have to consider what kind of mileage is on the clock and whether normal maintenance was performed, etc.
You didn't say anything about that, so I would not necessarily blame Ford. What kind of assistance were you asking them to provide?
Anonymous on 10/31/2010:
When common problems, such as this occur, it ticks me off when companies won't do anything. This was obviously a common problem in these ford engines, which would mean, no matter HOW well you took care of this engine, this problem is still there and can detonate at any time, regardless of how well the engine is maintained. Ford should most defintiely help you in this situation, but that's not going to happen.
getoverit on 10/31/2010:
I'm no expert here, Prince but I do know that timing belt replacement is a standard maintenance item on most Fords. I've also been told that not replacing it can lead to serious issues with an engine.
Theory: The timing belt was not replaced on time, whch caused the timing chain guide to fail, as trmn8br suggests.
If the vehicle has something like 60,000-70,000 miles on it, the maintenance schedule would say the timing chain should have been replaced by now.
Again, it's just a theory. But my question would be: what kind of accountability should a manufacturer have for something that was built seven or eight years ago? In a case where the owner did not follow the manufacturer's recommendations with respect to maintenance, I would say that accountability would be minimal.
Again, the OP didn't say anything about what he asked Ford to do. Normally, servicing of Ford products, whether under warranty or not, and whether it's maintenance or repair, is handled through the dealerships. Unless a dealership is not fulfilling its responsibilities, I would not expect that Ford is normally involved.
I don't think this vehicle is under warranty anymore. That doesn't mean that I think that Ford should totally turn it's back but I'm still not clear on what they should be expected to do.
Anonymous on 10/31/2010:
Timing belts can stop working without warning. Checking and changing your belt regularly prevents breakage, serious engine damage and keeps your car from breaking down. Replacing the timing belt in your Ford may not be inexpensive but it beats the alternatives.
neverbuyaford on 11/01/2010:
fellow posters,
since you were kind enough to show an interest in my problem with your post, please allow me to provide some amplifying information and hopefully answers some of the questions that have been raised here.
trmn8r - you hit the nail on the head. if you look up the 2003 explorer on www.fordproblems.com....it will really make you cringe for '03 owners.
MRM - not sure what you mean...I wish I could afford another vehicle (did I mention the insurance company walked away from me?)...otherwise I wouldn't have to drive my mom's 98 civic....nice little car though.
Prince - agreed.
getoverit/ript2010 - I admit I am no gear head, however, I followed the Ford Maintenance schedule pretty religiously, and there is no mention of the timing chain at all, or the timing chain guide in the maintenance schedule. If you care to see for yourself...follow this link. http://www.motorcraftservice.com/pubs/content/~WO3EXP/~MUS~LEN/36/03a03mg6e.pdf
my main complaint with Ford is that they sold me a vehicle that literally had plastic in the engine. The timing chain, the process that controls the firing of each cylinder....a super precise order of events, has a plastic component to guide the metal chain and ensure it stays in place. For me, just repeating that back makes me laugh. I really wonder if other car manufacturers use this technology. Furthermore, the mechanic told me (unofficially of course) that he sees this all the time, and that "it is a problem with 02-03 Explorers". Should Ford do a recall?
I don't know if checking a timing chain is a routine item at a dealership. I have never heard of it but obviously I could be wrong. Based on the photos of the damage, and based on the number of hours I have spent under my own hood, I would have to say that checking the timing chain does not look trivial to me. I won't speculate further, it just doesn't look like it would be easy.
The final coup de grace was my experience with the Ford customer service staff. I really believe that they some sort of computer program that randomly generates email responses that are meant to appear caring and compassionate but when read deeper translate into "leave us alone". I tried to send them photos and asked what could have caused this. I was told to contact a dealership. I tried to get a simple statement from Ford stating that "our engines don't just blow up" to assist my insurance claim with the government....but they couldn't help.
Anonymous on 11/02/2010:
Timing chains do not have to be replaced as much as a timing belt. This particular motor has a timing chain. I am pretty knowledgeable in automotive, and can say if you look up this particular engine, you will find TONS of complaints about this faulty compnent that detonates these engines.
GenuineNerd on 11/02/2010:
I know that GM got into trouble years ago over using plastic intake manifolds on some V-6 engines that tended to crack or leak with age. This was also around the time that GM started using the pink Dex-Cool coolant in its engines, and that some premature engine failures were blamed on the Dex-Cool. Plastic has no business being used in an engine, especially with parts subject to heat and/or stress.
BmCarson on 01/28/2011:
I'm a certified Ford Engine Master, I know these 4.0L SOHC motors have problems with the front cassette in the front or rear timing chain drive assemblies. I also know that very very rarely do these fail without warning signs. Normally you hear a loud rapping sound when you first start it. It continues to get worse until you hear it at idle. There is a TSB about this concern and I believe we covered it until 50,000mi but I'm not sure. I also know that most customers choose not to repair it because it's around 2100 to do so. A reman engine will at least cost you that much just for the engine. Also depending on your attitude when you went into the dealer and if you bought it there, We have a program for loyal ford customers called CuDL that ford may pay half of the cost of repair. I have seen Ford Motor company goto great lengths for loyal customers. Maybe you should contact the dealer you bought it at?
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2005 Explorer paint falls off
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OCEAN, NEW JERSEY -- This truck was only a 3 years old when the paint began to fall of. When I contacted FMC about the problem, they asked me to go to the dealer of my choice so they could take pictures and make a determination regarding root cause. I was told that because the car was out of warranty, they could not help me with any repair.
I own 3 Fords total. I'll never buy another. To all the people who are suffering with similar issues, make it known. Blacken Fords name. Cars from the 60's still have the paint they came with on them, and I am supposed to find this acceptable?
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My 2005 Ford Explorers' transmission just broke in two with no warning. A metal part in the trans. sheared into two pieces. Good luck trying to get Ford to reimburse you. I have tried e-mails,phone calls, even writing Ford headquarters in Michigan. They all have their pat answers (you didn't service it at Ford ) (you should have had it fixed at a dealership). They will not accept the blame or back their product for me at all.
My husband has purchased Ford vehicles for the past 5 vehicles. They do not care.
Warning: You are pretty much on your own! By the way I did have the transmission rebuilt somewhere other than Ford. $2500.00
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madconsumer on 07/31/2008:
is it out of warranty? if so, they will never pay. they can also tell if someone rode hard on it.
dan gordon on 07/31/2008:
amazes me that you expect Ford to pay for a 5 yrs old part. How long should the warranty be for? How many miles did you put on this car?
old fart on 07/31/2008:
I would imagine that Ford has the typical American manufacturers attitude of "it's sold, now the hell with them"...
I had a transmission problem with my 2001 KIA Sephia when the transmission went out at 28,000 miles and they replaced it with no questions asked!
Anything within the 10 year- 100,000 mile warranty has been covered with no argument whatever..
Your (F)ix (O)r (R)epair (D)aily American product is typical of the manufacturers and should it surprise anyone that GM, Ford and Chrysler are dying companies??
moneybags on 07/31/2008:
I tought it was Found On Road Dead
Anonymous on 07/31/2008:
*shudder* My family was pro Ford, only Ford...now, I have a Toyota, my dad has a Honda, and my sister has a Volkswagon. We got tired of paying good money for junk. My ten year old car runs like a top.
old fart on 07/31/2008:
Companies that produce Pintos and Novas should be out of business...
When GM named the nova they couldn't sell it in Mexico because in Spanish "nova" means "doesn't go"....
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National Back Order Of 2003 Explorer Tie Rods
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I could go on forever but here are the facts. My car has been on a hoist at my mechanic's garage for the past 3 weeks, since March 28. The tie rods on my 2003 Ford Explorer went bad. This week Ford called us and said the part won't be available until June.
I am renting a car at $200+ a week because our only family vehicle can't be repaired due to a big ball being dropped at Ford. My wife and I are forced to get a new car or put money into a rental. I asked Ford to pay for two weeks of my rental car but they would not.
How does a company like Ford allow something like this to happen? I had another issue with Ford and their "customer service" but that is a different story. By the way, the new car I'm getting is a Honda.
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Anonymous on 04/15/2008:
OK I am confused. That vehicle does not have a rear tie rod. Now if your searching for a front tie rod I would call Moog, they would likley have it in stock.
bucks on 04/17/2008:
That is what the mechanic said. I've given the part number to dealerships all around the country. The last two says it all. One stopped me before I said "tire rod" to tell me his are all gone and he gets 30 calls a day for parts he no longer has. The otherone said, "Sorry babe, not going to find one in this country." It's the back. Perhaps it's known as something else also. Ford knows what I'm talking about and June is the date they gave me. It's crazy! I wish it was the front tie rods but it's not.
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Ford Explorer 2000
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OHIO -- I purchased my first SUV and first Ford in 2000 in Newark OH at Matthews Fords. Paying pretty much full price which was my fault for not being a better buyer myself. Well that is when my troubles began from front brakes locking up, bearings, seat belt recall, alignment problems, transmission, motor issues, I even had a front tire shoot off like a missile which I was not sited for for it was determined my lug nuts where faulty. This could have killed someone the tire did do damage to another persons car which my insurance paid. I have actually dreamed this car has killed me. I cannot begin to tell you how much money I have sunk in repairs along with my payment. From the start of this issue I have gotton no response from Ford. The Dealership?? Well we feel bad for your lemon. Well Ford I make it a goal to tell 10 people a day that I come across as a nurse, mother, friend, neighbor, about the poor quality and how you don't back your product you build.
It is not Ford strong It is Ford wrong. I could not even sell this car to someone for I would feel guilty unless its back to you.
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MRM on 11/14/2007:
You cannot go wrong with BMW M3. But hey, different strokes for different folks.
Anonymous on 11/14/2007:
Your problem is with the dealer. Call Ford and find out where their regional office is located. Then write a letter to the regional manager. Include copies of all your repair orders.
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- This article is about the episode. For the location, see Southern Air Temple.
"This place used to be full of monks and lemurs and bison. Now there's just a bunch of weeds. I can't believe how much things have changed."
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Aang suggests a visit to the Southern Air Temple, where he tells stories of his old mentor, his friends, and the games he used to play. Upon discovering Gyatso's skeleton and that the Fire Nation eradicated his people, Aang becomes angry and enters the Avatar State, alerting the world of the Avatar's return. Aang is comforted by his friends, who tell him they are his family now. Meanwhile, Zuko and his uncle, Iroh, run into Commander Zhao, who learns that the Avatar has been found. Zuko challenges Zhao to a duel over the right to track the Avatar, which Zuko wins.
Katara and Aang are packing up their campsite with Aang excitedly talking to her about the astounding beauty of the Southern Air Temple, the only home he has known, which he is planning to visit. However, Sokka wants to sleep a bit longer. Too anxious to wait, Aang picks up a stick and slides it across Sokka's sleeping bag, telling Sokka there is a prickle snake in his sleeping bag. Terrified, Sokka leaps up screaming, and upon falling to the ground, realizes that he has been tricked. However, now that he is wide awake, the team is able to leave.
Off the coast of the southwestern Earth Kingdom, Prince Zuko docks at a Fire Nation controlled harbor, his ship needing substantial repairs from his encounter with Aang. Zuko wants the repairs done quickly so they will not lose the Avatar's trail, and warns his uncle not to mention their mission during their stay so that no other firebenders will begin looking for him. Zhao walks up to Iroh and Zuko, welcoming them to his harbor, while informing them about his promotion from a captain to a commander. Seeing how damaged their ship is, Zhao inquires what had happened, with Zuko making up a story about crashing into an Earth Kingdom ship. Curious, Zhao invites the pair of them for a drink. Zuko attempts to get out of the situation, but Iroh, scolding Zuko and telling him that he needs to show Zhao some respect, accepts the invite on behalf of his nephew.
Nearing the Patola Mountain Range, Sokka finds that all the blubbered seal jerky he had brought was used by Aang for their campfire the night before, leading him to remark that it was "no wonder the flames smelled so good." Katara is trying to keep Aang from getting too excited about their visit to the air temple, and tells him to expect the possibility that his people have been killed by the Fire Nation. Aang is convinced she is wrong on the grounds that reaching an air temple is impossible without a flying bison, and the Fire Nation could not possibly accomplish that. They reach the top of the mountain, which is above the clouds, and look down on the Southern Air Temple.
Commander Zhao is explaining the Fire Nation's planned victory to Zuko and Iroh over tea in his tent, with Zuko voicing his doubts that the plan will work. Zhao asks about Zuko's search for the Avatar, to which Zuko replies that he has been unsuccessful thus far. Zhao remarks he did not expect anything different. The Fire Nation prince subsequently gets up to leave, but the commander's guards stop him. One of Zhao's soldiers walks in and reports that he interrogated Zuko's crew and found out that the latter had the Avatar, but let him escape, giving Zuko no other choice but to tell Zhao the truth.
Sokka is still very hungry, and is berated by Katara for being one of the first outsiders to see an airbender temple and only thinking about food. Aang begins to give Katara and Sokka a tour of the temple, but becomes disheartened almost immediately. Seeing his home abandoned, he realizes how much things have changed, and in order to cheer him up, Sokka volunteers to play a game of airball with him. Aang uses airbending to propel the ball, which bounces off the totems and hits Sokka's stomach, subsequently going through the goal and knocking the latter down into a pile of snow. Lying on the ground after being creamed, Sokka spots a Fire Nation helmet and points it out to Katara, and they agree to show it to Aang. However, when Aang begins to walk over, Katara changes her mind suddenly and covers the helmet with snow. After commenting that Katara's ability to manipulate snow is impressive, Aang wants to show them the rest of the temple. Sokka discourages Katara from protecting Aang from the reality of what happened to the temple as she just did, to which Katara points out to Sokka that Aang would be devastated if he knew firebenders invaded his home. They come to a statue of an airbender monk, which Aang introduces as Monk Gyatso.
In a flashback, Gyatso is teaching Aang how to make fruit pies, but Aang is not listening, as he is thinking about how he has become burdened with the knowledge that he is the Avatar. Gyatso reassures Aang that he will be fine, saying he must focus on the present, and that once he is old enough to enter the air temple sanctuary, he will meet someone who will help him to become a better Avatar. Gyatso has Aang do some airbending target practice by blowing the freshly baked fruit pies through the air and onto the other elder monks' heads while they are meditating. They are promptly pounced on by winged lemurs, slurping the pie off the monks' heads. The master and student laugh at their little prank, and Gyatso congratulates Aang on his perfected aim.
Returning to the present, Aang makes for the air temple sanctuary, telling his friends that there is someone whom he is ready to meet. Katara is doubtful that anyone has been survived in the temple for a hundred years, but Sokka hopes that the person in there has some food, particularly cured meats. To get into the sanctuary, Aang airbends two currents into the ornate locking mechanism, causing it to open the doors. Aang begins to walk into the darkened temple with Katara and Sokka following him.
Commander Zhao is appalled that a twelve-year-old boy bested Zuko and his crew. Zuko passionately states that he wants to continue his hunt for the Avatar and shall not underestimate him again. When Zhao replies that he will be taking over the hunt for the Avatar, dismissing Zuko as a mere teenager, Zuko leaps at Zhao in rage, but is held back by the guards. Zhao orders for Zuko and Iroh to be kept in his tent and leaves. In anger, Zuko kicks a table as Iroh asks for more tea.
The air temple sanctuary is filled with hundreds of statues, and Sokka, still hungry, is thoroughly disappointed at there not being any food. Katara and Aang notice a pattern in the line of the statues, as they are arranged in the Avatar Cycle: air, water, earth, and fire. From that, Katara figures out that these are statues of previous incarnations of the Avatar, Aang's past lives. Aang singles out the last statue in the line and gazes into the statue's eyes, going into a kind of trance. A gentle shake from Katara breaks him out of the trance, at which point Aang recognizes that the statue is of Avatar Roku, the Avatar before him. Sokka recognizes Roku as a firebender by his robes and top-knot, finding the reason he did not trust Aang when they had first met. The three of them hear a humming noise from the entrance, indicating that someone else has just come in, causing the group to hide behind the statues. Preparing to fight a firebender, they reveal themselves to see it is just a lemur. Desperately hungry, Sokka wants to eat the lemur for dinner. Aang, on the other hand, wants to keep the lemur as a pet. This prompts a race to see who can catch the lemur first. Katara stays behind in the temple sanctuary while Aang and Sokka run after the lemur, each trying to trip the other up. The lemur flies out from the window, and Aang jumps off the balcony of the temple in his determination to catch the lemur.
Meanwhile, Commander Zhao and his search party are almost ready to set sail on their search for the Avatar, and plan to release Zuko when his ship is out at sea. Zuko states that he is going to capture the Avatar before Zhao, who laughs at the thought of a banished prince competing with a commander who has hundreds of warships at his disposal. Zhao demeans Zuko by telling him that his father would let him come home without the Avatar if the Fire Lord really loved him, going on to state that all Fire Lord Ozai sees in his son is failure. Zuko challenges Zhao out of pure rage and disgust to an Agni Kai at sunset, to which Zhao accepts. After Zhao leaves the tent, Iroh reminds Zuko about how his last duel with a firebending master turned out, prompting Zuko to say he will "never forget" that fight.
After landing safely, Aang follows the lemur and discovers a room where many Fire Nation soldiers' bodies lie, centered around the skeleton of Monk Gyatso. Seeing his former master and father figure's skeleton, his laughter stops, and he starts crying. Sokka finally catches up to Aang and questions whether he caught the lemur, going on to say that he did not actually intend on eating it, before noticing why Aang is upset. Sokka tries to comfort Aang, but the latter suddenly enters the Avatar State and creates an air sphere around himself, violently blowing Sokka backward.
Back in the temple, Katara observes that the eyes of all the Avatar statues begin to glow in the same brilliant white color as Aang's tattoos when he went into the Avatar State back on Zuko's ship. Realizing Aang must be the cause of this, she runs out to find the boys. At this moment, the Avatar temples in the other three nations around the world simultaneously experience a similar event, as their Avatar statues and murals start to glow as well. In the Fire Temple, the Fire Sages hasten to inform the Fire Lord that the Avatar has returned.
After finding a windswept Sokka, Katara is informed that Aang found out that firebenders killed Gyatso. Aang's anger has escalated so that he now floats within his air sphere. Katara subsequently starts to make her way toward Aang in order to calm him down.
In the meantime, Commander Zhao and Prince Zuko are ready to duel. The two combatants begin back to back. Iroh counsels Zuko to remember his basics, as they are his greatest assets, but Zuko does not appear to heed his uncle's wisdom, instead simply stating that he will not lose and assumes his stance. Zhao claims that the duel will end swiftly, and also assumes his stance. The two opponents stare deeply and fiercely into each other's eyes. The gong sounds and the match commences.
Zhao seems more than a match for Zuko, effortlessly avoiding and nullifying all of his fire blasts. As he catches his breath, Iroh continues to advise Zuko to remember his basics. Zhao proceeds to throw his own volley of fire blasts. Zuko is able to block each, but is slowly forced back with every parry. For the final blast, Zhao uses both fists, forming a blast that connects and knocks Zuko to the ground. Pressing the attack, he leaps into the air, covers the distance between him and Zuko, and prepares a finishing fire blast aimed directly for the prince's face. An instant before contact, Zuko rolls out of the way, rises with a kicking flourish, and knocks Zhao out of his stance.
With new-found vigor, Zuko releases a series of low attacks that cause Zhao to retreat, finishing him with a jet of fire from a full body kick. Zhao expects Zuko to strike him once more to mark his victory, but the latter releases a fire blast past his face instead, promising next time Zhao is in his way, he will not hold back. As he is walking away, Zhao sends a jet of fire at Zuko's back, enraged at his defeat, which Iroh swiftly stops with his bare hand. After throwing him to the ground, Iroh lectures Zhao about how dishonorably he has acted, and that his nephew is more honorable even in exile. The elder is still polite enough, though, to thank Zhao for the tea. After leaving the arena, Zuko asks Iroh if he really meant what he said back there, to which his uncle responds that "ginseng tea is [his] favorite." As the two walk back toward the ship, the faintest of smiles crosses Prince Zuko's lips.
At the air temple, Katara attempts to console Aang by imparting how she felt when she lost her mother, and even goes on to state that though his people are gone, he has a new family: her and Sokka. The words seem to reach Aang, who falls out of the Avatar State and slowly descends back to the ground. Sokka backs Katara's statement with the promise that neither will let anything happen to him. With this, Aang finally comes to the conclusion that he is indeed the last of his kind.
Just before they leave, Aang stands before Roku's statue once more, wondering how his past life can help him if he is dead. Suddenly, the lemur reappears with a variety of fruits and lays them in front of Sokka, who does not waste any time to wolf them down, as he had been hungry for an extremely long time. The lemur subsequently climbs onto Aang's shoulder, and after realizing that the lemur, Appa, and himself are the last survivors of the Southern Air Temple, the young Avatar names the lemur Momo, the newest addition to their family. Night falls as the gang flies off on Appa. Deep with thought, Aang takes one last gaze at his old home before it fades behind the clouds.
- Written by:
- Directed by:
- Starring:
- Also starring:
- Mako - Uncle
- Jason Isaacs - Commander Zhao
- Sab Shimono - Monk Gyatso
- Additional voices:
- Dee Bradley Baker
- Bruce Locke (only appearance)
Production notes
- Main article: Transcript:The Southern Air Temple
Series continuity
- Momo joins Team Avatar.
- Aang recognizes Roku's statue, but was not sure how he knew Roku's name. However, in "Winter Solstice, Part 1: The Spirit World", he mentions that Gyatso told him that Roku would help him. Aang had probably never seen Roku before, however, meaning that he knew the name matched this Avatar.
- This episode primarily takes place in the Southern Air Temple in the Patola Mountain Range, locations number 41 and 48 respectively on the map of the World of Avatar.
Character revelations
- Aang reveals that Monk Gyatso was his airbending teacher.
- It is revealed that Roku was one of Aang's past lives and the Avatar immediately before him.
- Zhao reveals that Zuko was banished.
- Iroh refers to Zhao as a firebending master.
- It is revealed that Katara and Sokka's mother was killed by the Fire Nation. Although her passing was already stated by Katara in "The Boy in the Iceberg", the cause of their mother's death was unknown.
- When Katara is about to tell Aang about the monks as they are flying to the temple, there is no arrow on Aang's right hand. This happens a second time just before Sokka's stomach growls with hunger.
- When Iroh is looking at the weapons in Zhao's tent, he knocks them over. The weapons can be seen upright again, however, a few scenes after they were knocked down.
- Right before Sokka asks where he could get something to eat, when Aang is running ahead of Katara and Sokka, Aang's mouth is moving as if he is saying something, but no words are coming out.
- In Aang's flashback with Monk Gyatso, when Gyatso is talking, one of the beads on his necklace suddenly changes from brown to red, right when he says, "... when you're old enough to enter the ..." (after "the"). At the same time, the rest of the beads move slightly. However, in the next shot, it is brown again.
- When Aang opens the door to the sanctuary, the camera flashes back to look down the corridor and both Katara and Sokka have vanished.
- In the air temple sanctuary, the Avatar statue next to Roku is a male earthbender, not Avatar Kyoshi. However, when Aang walks past the set of four Avatars that Katara used to identify the sanctuary as full of Aang's past lives, Kyoshi (identified by her fans) appears where the male earthbender was. This is also notable because it is the only time the statue of a female Avatar appears in the sanctuary at any point during the episode.
- In the Hebrew dub, when Katara notes the arrangement of the statues in the air temple sanctuary, she says "water, air, earth, and fire", while it should be "air, water, earth, and fire", since the first Avatar at whom she points is an Air Nomad and the second one is a Water Tribe native.
- When the gang sees Momo entering the temple's sanctuary, Sokka warns the others that it is a firebender and everyone hides behind the statues. However, Aang should not have believed this claim since he was convinced that no firebender could ever come to an air temple in the first place..
- When Katara is next to the statue of Roku, his headpiece is missing. In the next scene, it reappears.
- In this episode, Aang goes into the Avatar State and everyone around the world can see he has returned because various items begin glowing. However, they should have already known because he had also been in the Avatar State in "The Avatar Returns" to escape Zuko and when he first appears in "The Boy in the Iceberg".
- After Zuko knocks Zhao down, he stands beside him. However, when the angle changes, he is standing in front of him.
- When Katara calms Aang out of the Avatar State, the arrow on his head shown from the back is not glowing.
- This is the only episode in which the title screen, which denotes the chapter and book, does not have a plain white background. Instead, the episode featured an animated sunrise as the background of the title screen.
- A very old Nickelodeon website separate from the one commonly used on this wiki for referencing called this episode "Aang Goes Home".[1]
- In some early advertising of the episode, the preview shows the scene in which the group first sees the Southern Air Temple. In the preview, Aang calls it the "Jongmu Air Temple", while it is the "Southern Air Temple" in the actual episode.
- According to the Avatar Extras, the writers contemplated on an entire episode dedicated to the fact that Momo was the reincarnation of Monk Gyatso, but decided against it.
- Zhao's act of lashing out after admitting defeat in this episode is a foreshadowing of the Book One finale, in which he does the same thing – when Iroh convinces him to release the Moon Spirit, he releases it, only to kill it immediately afterward.
- After the flying lemur steals a peach from Sokka, Aang says he will name the lemur "Momo". Momo, apart from being the Japanese equivalent of "Fido" in terms of popular pet names, translates into "peach".
- This is the second time Aang is seen entering the Avatar State, and the first time he does so in anger.
- This is the first episode in which Iroh's name is explicitly stated, as in the previous two episodes, Zuko was the only person seen speaking to Iroh, and only ever referred to him as "uncle".
- During the Agni Kai between Zuko and Admiral Zhao, the music playing is in the style of Raga, a type of music that originated in India and the Arab world.
- ↑ Nick.com archives. Nickelodeon. Retrieved on January 1, 2013. Archived from the original on April 27, 2006.


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