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I am seeking some honest information about Avon's policy of credit vs. no-credit status. I have been given some conflicting information and I am reaching out to others who have sold Avon, sell Avon or are in leadership that can assist me at this time.
I am a very observant person and pay attention to what is going on with my business, which includes my account with Avon. I failed to notice a carbon copy paper that was sent with my orders every two weeks until one day I actually noticed. This particular piece of paper was to be used if I returned any items to Avon. I racked my brain thinking as to why these have been coming and for how long.
Apparently, my account was put on a no-credit status. Again, I didn't read every fine detail in my invoices. I learned my lesson there. I have always paid my bill and was never late on a payment. So, my account was up to date with a zero balance before the next order was to be submitted. I was baffled but knew there must be some logical reason for this and so I started to inquire.
I sent the following email to my District Manager.
SUBJECT: Credit Status Limbo-irium
Hi Name,
I have inquired with Avon with regards to my no credit status.
I was informed that Avon Inc has no hand in regulating the change in status.
They did, however, inform me that I had to talk to my DM.
So, I am here asking why did I lose my credit status with Avon?
What are the necessary steps to take in obtaining my credit status back?
For the record, I have never paid late.
My account is current with no outstanding balance nor has it ever been in the 17 months I have been an active representative.
Thank you for taking the time to look into this issue.
I look forward to hearing from you.
Thank you.
My Name
This email was sent on January 16th, 2011.
I told my enroll agent (an interesting term I found while researching issues with Avon that had a different appeal to it so I am going to use it through this particular post) about my contact via email to DM. Though I had asked about this issue before with my enroll agent, it was somehow not addressed or never shared with me. I understand how life can get busy and it was prior to the holiday's gearing up in full force. Either way, I noticed each and every campaign I was still at a no credit status. Hmm.
I actually phoned Avon to ask about how to get my credit status back. I was informed and I quote, "You need to talk to your District Manager about this because Avon has nothing to do with it." Seriously, this made no sense to me at all. Avon is big company, they are 125 years old and counting and I had a hard time digesting that a District Manager would determine a Representative's credit status.
It's time to use some common sense even though it's not too common now days.
On January 17th 2011, I email Avon directly the following:
Dear Avon Corporation,
I have been on Non credit status for well over 6 months to date. What I
am requesting at this time is a thorough explanation of how credit
status and non credit status works. What I have been told isn't
satisfying my common sense meter. If you can copy and/or forward the
policy and procedure for the above mentioned, I would greatly
apprectiate your time and effort in helping me to understand what isn't
easily understandable.
Thank you.
Ny name.
I received an email from Avon the next day. I was very impressed with their expedient response and very grateful. Here is the respone I was given.
Hello Avon Representative,
I've received your request to know the Policy and Procedure for how the
credit works. My name is Avon Customer care name., and I'm happy to assist you.
Robin, please know that Instant Credit is a privilege given to all
Representatives when they are appointed. Representatives may lose this
privilege, and be placed on ?No Instant Credit,? if their return rate
consistently exceeds the normal return rate in the District.
Representatives removed from Instant Credit will have the opportunity to
regain that privilege by consistently displaying their ability to
operate their business within the expected return levels. Once a
Representative?s account has been placed on No Instant Credit, the
account must remain NIC until the Return Rate dramatically decreases.
This process is reviewed each Campaign and ?warning letters? and
notification of removal from instant credit are sent from the Branch.
In extreme situations, Avon may decide to remove the Representative from
?active? status if their returns warrant it.
Thank you for being a valued Representative. It has been my pleasure to
help you. I look forward to assisting you in the future.
Name withheld to abide by rules.
Avon Email Customer Care
I have some questions for anyone who has a legitimate answer or experienced something simliar with results that can be backed up with consistency. The reason I asked this specifically is because I was getting different answers along the way. If this truly is policy (which I'm still trying to make a little sense with) then why are the answers different depending on whom you talk to?
On January 18th 2011 I received a call from my enroll agent to tell me that the District Manager just called her to tell her that my instant credit was reinstated. Not a bad turn around in 48 hours so I did wonder why? I was never told why just that it was reinstated. It appears as though my email will go unanswered and the District Manager is not going to deal with me directly. Is that your experience where you deal directly with your enroll agent only and not with the District Manager even though I opened the door with an email? Well, it was mine this time. It struck me odd considering I took it upon myself to email her directly and yet I get an indirect response from my enroll agent who never told me she emailed her but talked to her about it that night at the meeting. What has your experience been? I'm here to learn.
Here are my questions that I seek answers from with anyone who has the information and experience.
I need to go back and look through all my invoices to see how many times I returned product and I will do this soon. My memory is telling me 4 or less. Now bear in mind that this was within a year's time because my last return was on June 21st, 2010 for the Sharper Image MP4 player which was clearly a defective product or the one I received was defective.
Avon stated, "No Instant Credit,? if their return rate consistently exceeds the normal return rate in the District." Question: When a customer orders a product and is not satisfied with it be it too small, wrong color, etc and Avon offers a 100% money back guarantee, then why is the Representative penalize for honoring their guarantee? If a customer ordered directly from Avon and had, to be exact, 4 returns in a 12 month period, would that customer be penalized as well or is that act of kindness only offered to the Representative? I'm reaching hard to find a balance here between Representative, Customer and expressed guarantee. A Representative can't force a customer to keep a product if they don't like it, and if the Rep can't sell it, use it or don't want it, then sending it back would make sense, right? I am not one to keep a product that I can't use it so count me out as a frontloading Queen. I will not have my money tied up in inventory that sits in my house.
Avon states, "Representatives removed from Instant Credit will have the opportunity to regain that privilege by consistently displaying their ability to operate their business within the expected return levels" Again, I can't force a customer to keep a product and this is a very unfair practice that Avon is implementing and penalizing the Rep for utilizing. In their own words, "100% money back guarantee" so I wonder if that's just extended to the customer? Anyone have some facts or proof?
Avon states, "Once a Representative?s account has been placed on No Instant Credit, the
account must remain NIC until the Return Rate dramatically decreases." Can anyone answer for me then what a Representative is supposed to do with the items ordered by a customer who rightfully utilizes the 100% money back guarantee? Does anyone know why Avon asks why these products are being returned when it apparently is given no weight in the decision to enforce non credit status?
Avon states, "This process is reviewed each Campaign and ?warning letters? and notification of removal from instant credit are sent from the Branch." This is in total contradiction to what I was told. First I'm told from Avon when calling them that I need to contact my district manager (which I did) because Avon plays no role in regulating credit status. Then last night I am told from my enroll agent that the district manager told her that she has nothing to do with a reps credit status. Does anyone know the truth here?
Avon states, "In extreme situations, Avon may decide to remove the Representative from
?active? status if their returns warrant it." Independent Avon Representatives then need to be wary of consistent large orders because they might lose their business with Avon if those products aren't sold? And am I understanding that statement correctly that if there's too many returns, even though I am paying for the return postage, then my business is at risk each and every campaign pending the volume? What planet did I just land on to see any justice in this system. Does anyone have insight they can share and especially inside information plus personal experience to make sense of this?
My aim is to find the truth and to see if any of this can make sense because right now it doesn't. With all the conflicting information, it really does make a person think what is legit and what isn't. If this is indeed policy, then why, depending on whom you ask, the answer is different. Is there such a thing as obtaining in hard copy such as a Policies and Procedure manual that states the above which came directly from Avon?
I did ask if they could transfer me to the credit department and they said they have no way to transfer me. So I then ask if there is a direct line I can call to talk to the credit department directly so this issue can be resolved. There is no direct line for the representatives to contact the credit department.
The email that I received from Avon appears scripted due to the symbols put in various words. I am not sure if this is, and I'm only asking, a cut and paste response but I was highly disappointed with the lack of professionalism. Anyone have some insight?
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avonjenn on 09/21/2011:
Robin -- I am almost 6 months into Avon, and have not had credit from day 1. I assumed this was due to my signing up years ago and never selling after I got a full time job. I found out after asking that I had no credit due to my address verification issues. Once I changed my address to match what their identity database shows as current, then they emailed in response to my credit inquiry that I have no credit because of my return rate. Now I'm really confused as I have returned a total of 2 items in 6 months! One item was refused by my customer due to a clothing size issue, and the other was an Avon fulfillment screw up. I'm really scratching my head now...guess I'll try the "upline" one more time to see if they can intervene. Otherwise, so long to this headache!!!
Lisa on 03/01/2012:
I currently have issues from being reappointed from 2010. I quit 2 months into selling because my Leadership Rep. was first holding my orders based on the Districts sales goals. Then she begam accessing my account and putting items into my orders I personally did not order. One item was a bundle which would have cost me $80 if I didn't return. Then because they made me inactive immediately prior to me paying my last order I couldn't access my online account and Avon had to bill me and I paid late and had over $30 in late fees. Being reappointed I have found I also an NIC but I'm getting this straightened out. None sure which one would have put me as NIC.
I don't really think it has anything to do with the # of times u return it has to do with the $$$ amount. Either way NONE of it makes sense with 100% money back guarantee.
beckie on 10/02/2012:
No instant credit has to do with the ratio of SALES VS RETURNS............if your rate of returns (which are definitely allowed) are high, your account will be put on No instant credit which ONLY means you must return products before you get the credit for them..........a policy that MOST all other companies already have in place. If you are new or have had credit issues in the past a credit LIMIT is accessed for you and that increases as you proceed to sell. It IS a business and they do have guidelines, you have to get all the facts.
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Beware of Selling Avon Products
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LAS VEGAS, NEVADA -- I recently signed up to become an Avon representative What a mistake. The up-line (recruiter) came to my home & signed me up intentionally or unwittingly (which I doubt) omitting pertinent info which would have saved me time, money and headaches. I strongly suggest anyone contemplating becoming an Avon representative thoroughly research the company online and get all of the info you can, including complaints of current and previous reps.
From my experience and from what I have researched, the only way to achieve adequate compensation for your time and effort as a rep, is to invest money and take losses for at least a year or two. Most people who sign on as reps are trying to make extra money on the side or need supplemental income to live on. This is not the avenue to reach those goals unless you have a good amount of extra cash to work with, and even then you will probably take a loss.
One other way to make money is to be a recruiter (up-line) or a team leader, or a position above these. Of course, there may be one mandatory qualification: a lack of moral integrity. I have thoroughly researched this company and the internet for blogs and complaints. 90% of the feedback I have seen is negative regarding a position solely as a representative. There are charges for placing your orders ($5.00 for each order), and fees for brochures and bags and samples, which will most likely suck up any profit you may have coming to you. You make 40% on your first campaign (if you haven't managed to secure a good customer base by your first campaign (2 wks or less after signing on), your profits will probably be quite low and spent on fees/charges). I ended up OWING Avon after placing my first order. On my 2nd and FINAL order (fortunately, I realized soon enough that I was getting scammed), I made enough to break even. BUT, they wanted me to pay 60% of that up front before releasing my order this time.
In this common situation, unless you are able to convince your customers to pay you up front, you have to come up with the money yourself to pay for your order before they release it. If you are late paying, you are fined. I qualified for a $100 credit line upon signing, which was taken from me after my first campaign, without explanation, even though I paid my first campaign on time, placed my new order on time, and had no returns or anything like that. I called the service line to inquire about this and they said they couldn't lift the hold from their end and to call the DM. The DM's phone line was busy ALL DAY. I am not alone in my opinion that this company obviously makes it very difficult for you to succeed financially in the business as a rep, and rely on the naivety of new reps and the immorality of the recruiters to make profits for their corporation. In my research, I also noticed a lot of new reps/prior reps complaining of being scammed by "customers" (not to mention being scammed by the company as well), who sent them emails to place orders, and then paid with stolen credit cards. The reps were responsible for repaying Avon for these misfortunes, and of course the late fees, etc. I had one of these scammers try to hit me, but I outsmarted them.
Avon may even be responsible for setting these credit card scams up themselves. Who knows with this company. Their lack of moral integrity and dishonesty is appalling. Capitalism is out of control.
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azRider on 07/04/2013:
Yeah is a scam like Amway or hebalife. they are all pyramid schemes. no one makes money except the people at the top of the pyramid. everyone else pays to keep them up. stay away, want to make honest money? work at night in some store like target or walmart.
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For some reason I thought I might make a few extra bucks selling Avon, I have used Avon products in the past and thought it would be sweet to get a discount on the things I liked as well. I was supposed to get 50% commission on my first four orders, didn't happen. When I asked the lady who signed me up there was a blah! blah! blah! no real answer. Things quickly went downhill and on my last order, I received ZERO commission, I was charged FULL PRICE. Well, that was enough for me, I am too busy to mess with this for the very little or NO financial rewards. I could make more extra money selling blood! Well, I sent an email through my "website" stating that I had no desire to sell anymore. Then I started receiving statements at home saying that I owed THEM money, not much, like $23 and some change. Well, I began to actively pursue getting them to shut down my account and quit sending me bills that I did not owe. I got another bill, it was for a bigger balance due, what the heck? I tried to log-in to my account online to see what the bill was actually for, the mail I received showed o detail. I was locked out of my account because I had a balance due. I emailed customer service directly and was told I would have to send an email through my website, I emailed that I could not because I was locked out, DUH! It took me almost two months to get a "detailed" bill to show what I owed (which, by the way, my account had a ZERO balance when I paid for my last order!). There were charges on there for stuff like "monthly efee" "late charge" and other made up stuff!
Now I am getting calls from a collection agency on a $46 made up charge! I told them that I was in contact with Avon directly and then they called again anyway and when I informed THEM that my number was registered on the DO NOT CALL registry, the person kept threatening me and asking why I was "running away" from this debt. Geez! It's $46! It is the PRINCIPAL of the matter, I do NOT OWE THEM, THEY RIPPED ME OFF and now they want MORE.
I went online and paid over half of the debt just to try to make it go away, we will see if Avon will write the remaining $20 off or add more charges and hound me forever over something I do not owe. I am very close to filing a complaint with the FTC on these thieves!
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bunnyhead on 01/13/2010:
I sold Avon for quite a while (mainly to get a discount on things that I liked) and I never had any problems with my orders. I definitely made 50% commission on my 1st 4 orders and my bills were always in the box with each order. The bill is really easy to read and it shows everything that you owe.
csjung64 on 02/15/2010:
I have suffered the FALL OUT of AVON too. They have terrible customer service, my district manager is all hype and no help. I have been double billed. Have been run around in circles and ended up paying $220.00 for returned product and they kept what I paid for twice......AVON reps beware, customers......stop buying their low end products! Would you work for a COMPANY that steals from YOU? There is no money in selling AVON unless you recruit a lot of people, and sell a ton of product.
DON'TBEASUCKER!! on 06/16/2010:
I agree!! Avon, is all about hype, they will make you run around in circles.The person who signed u up and took your 10.00, to get u started will call u and check on you to see if you're doing o.k, and attend to sales meetings. But they will charge you fees and that's why I stop selling and their customer service is a BIG JOKE!!!!
EJP on 10/16/2011:
I was a very successful Avon rep getting to Honor Society (2008) and Rose Circle (2009). However, I had to return a lot of product, over a period of a few weeks, which I did, at my expense, and was never credited for it, despite phone calls, e-mails and lettters to Avon over a period of 9 months. Avon kept telling me they had not received the products back. However, I had proof from UPS, who actually tracked every package I had returned, and there it was in blasck and white, Avon had received everything I had returned. Then I had orders on hold, the DM managed to sort out that, until she got fired. After that Avon closed down my website, and then the fun started. The collection agency started to hound me, and I put it in the hands of an attorney, we have all the evidence and are now awaiting a court date. I told the collection agency to contact Avon, as why would I be hiring an attorney at considerably more cost than I am alleged to owe Avon. The letters and calls from them have stopped. My advice is do not deal with Avon, they prey on people who want to and need to make a little extra money and make them a whole lot of promises of great opportunities. The fees they charge for the e-rep website are astronomical at $7.50 per campaign. (Mary Kay charge $29.95 per year) Unless you are selling a huge amount of product you will not make any money from Avon, I did make money but in the end it is too much hassle trying to deal with their 'customer service' and trying to explain to them when errors have been made. I am awaiting the outcome of the court proceedings. All they are is an MLM, although they pretend not to be. Steer clear of Avon altogether.
msjones on 06/16/2013:
I sell Avon and I make money off it and I get discounts all u have to do is talk to a representative to return Ur order
msjones on 06/16/2013:
They no longer have that fee
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Avon- Won't cancel an order if you made a mistake, They ship it immediately.....So be careful when ordering and double check every
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OK today I decided to treat myself to some things with avon.com. Its easy to order, and I figured I deserved a treat for myself. Well, I recently moved and forgot to change the zip on my account. I remembered to put my correct address, just not the same zip code. Yes, my fault completely. But how Avon handled it, I thought was a little odd. They will not let you cancel an order if you made a mistake because immediately after they get your order, its apparently too late to do anything. They will not refund you for a good week or 2 til the item is returned to them (it must be shipped first, so do NOT order by Paypal, I made that mistake and now have to wait. If you order by credit card you can at least dispute it). Also they told me if I did dispute it with Paypal, I could NEVER order Avon again because it would be fraud. Really? If I dispute it to cancel it it would be fraud? All because of 1 mistake? To know a company would do that, for me wanting to get my money back if I didn't get the product, is a little out there. So I found the way they handle their billing is horrible. At least with Amazon, I can cancel an order if I make a mistake, because not everyone is perfect. But Avon won't even give you time to change it. Within 15 minutes they said they didn't have the order. When it was 30 minutes they said it was ready to ship. And with Paypal, they bill you instantly so, they have gotten my money. So be very careful. Because of my mistake its going to take at least another week to get to me, luckily the second representative was a little nicer to me and was willing to call me when it reships. I realize my errors but how a business handles their products is a reason why I shop. I don't think ill be ordering from Avon for a while....at least not the website.
Resolution Update 02/02/2013:
got products
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Anna Molly on 01/03/2013:
Although I haven't ordered from avon.com in a few years, I've never experienced any problems..in fact, sometimes they included extra goodies with my order. I never had to cancel, so this is interesting information.
At Your Service on 01/03/2013:
My concern would be even trying to dispute a charge when one knows the mistake was their own. Especially if there was a solution in place.
Why couldn't you have just places a duplicate order with the correct zip and allow the process to handle itself?
jktshff1 on 01/03/2013:
Good info Cwazy thanks
MRM on 01/03/2013:
That is cwazy indeed!
Cwazychicken on 01/04/2013:
Well they said if I dispute the charge, I will never be able to order again EVER as that's fraud???...And they are going to hold my 48 dollars for 2-4 weeks until they get the item back, which sucks even worse. I hate when companies do that. I know several sites that give you a good few hours to cancel and reorder if you make a mistake. I hope I get my order, but I doubt I will ever order from Avon again..they are just so picky.
Cwazychicken on 01/04/2013:
Also a duplicate order, I can not afford. I only had 48 dollars to spend on myself and well, now its going to be on hold. I guess the bright side is when I'm broke in a few weeks, ill get my money back. I will go to PayPal and dispute it and they can ban me for life. I am very unhappy and plan to warn as many people as I can about the way they do business and to be very cafeful when ordering from them. I think I will take my business to another good make up company.
Cwazychicken on 01/04/2013:
So I guess ill wait til its returned and they can reship it to the right address. Next time I will know...But its sad how fast companies ship out a product like this, without letting people change something if they must. I guess Amazon must be the only place that lets people cancel an order or change an order before it ships.
Cwazychicken on 01/19/2013:
I did end up getting the product thankfully, and all the items were intact. So luckily my 1 little mistake didn't const much but just be careful when ordering to anyone, is what I suggest.
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Selling Avon
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If only the general public knew just how much Avon Products Inc. truly cares about the Representatives and their customers, they would be amazed.
Just find another company/store who will give credit for items that they ordered in error, customer changed their mind, wrong size ordered etc...who will give INSTANT credit on the item as far back as 12 months, with no questions asked, AND then allow 3 1/2 months to allow the Representative to return the item!!
As stated in prior review by: ibunique on 9/5/2010, Avon is a business! Representatives are 'business owners'. No matter what type of business you own, it takes much dedication and hard work to be successful.
They are not employees of Avon, and the Customer Service Specialists go through intensive training for 8 weeks before being allowed to serve the Representatives.
Avon supports so many charities and public awareness groups. Several examples of these are: Breast Cancer, Domestic Violence, our proud Service Men and Women of the Armed Forces.
I find it so very sad that the critics of Avon Products, fail to recognize the hard work and dedication of Avon and their Customer Service.
The next time you try to get a refund for a purchase from any other company (such as Wal-Mart, etc.) that you purchased 9 months ago, with no receipt, just remember some of the above information.
The Customer Service specialist work sometimes 10-12 hours per day. Especially during Holiday Season. They work hard to satisfy each and every call they take.
Those people are well aware that Representatives deserve World Class Service, and do everything within their power to provide it.
Problem is, "you just can't make everyone happy all of the time". And, of course, there are just some people that no matter what you do, NOTHING would ever satisfy them anyway.
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jktshff1 on 09/18/2010:
Good review.
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AVON rips off Representatives
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I am a representative with Avon and I placed an order in campaign C-21 in 2009 and shortly after one of my customers called and asked to cancel her order. I called Avon and asked for help in doing this and the woman on the phone told me I couldn't just cancel one portion of the order but would need to cancel the entire order and then re-order the parts of the order I wanted to keep. She did this for me on the phone and then we placed the parts of the order I wanted with her assurance it was all taken care of. The following week I received 5 boxes on my door step in which not only were the items shipped that I had asked to cancel but everything I wanted to keep was double. I called Avon and explained the situation to a woman in India who told me she would take off all of the products that were shipped by mistake. So one by one we went through all of the products. I indicated to her that I didn't feel it was fair for me to pay to ship this all back since it was not my mistake, she agreed and said that if Avon wanted the products back they would contact me to let me know how to get them back to you at no charge to me. I heard nothing. The boxes sat in my house for months and I finally had enough and gave most of the products away. A few weeks ago I received a letter in the mail stating I owed Avon $240 for the products that had been sent to me by mistake. Within days of that I received a letter from a collection agency. Previous to that there was no bill, no contact at all. I called customer service and was told I had to send them back. I explained the situation and was told that I "should have" sent them back and Avon would have reimbursed me the cost of shipping. Had I have been told that in the beginning that would have been done, but I wasn't. I asked to speak to a supervisor and retold the story again and got the same answer. I then called the customer service number in NY and sat on hold for over an hour with no answer. I then sent a letter to the CEO Andrea Jung with no response. I then called her office and was treated very rudely by someone in customer service there and was told I could not speak to anyone else to try to rectify the situation. I am amazed at a company who stated they are all about helping women would treat people this way. Shame on AVON, they will not see a dime from me.
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Venice09 on 03/21/2010:
I realize this won't help you now, but you really should have contacted Avon again before getting rid of the products. I would have held on to them forever, or at least until it was resolved. You're at their mercy now.
For the record though, I've seen enough complaints from Avon reps to give me the impression that the company is not as friendly as they want you to think they are.
andbran on 03/22/2010:
I think you should have just sent the stuff back even at your expense
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Not Getting Any Contact
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PENSACOLA, FLORIDA -- I have been trying to get in contact with Sandy [snip] an Avon representative. I try to call all I get is her voice mails on her phone. I was going to place an order with her a few times. She never responded to my calls. She called one time my phone ranged only once I did not have time to respond. She left a voice mail on my phone to contact her back. When I called back I could not get no response from her. All she said was that her orders was going in that night and if I wanted to place an order to contact her. I tried but did not get no response from her. She send me emails but they are no used to me.
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Cwazychicken on 03/18/2014:
You don't always need to have a rep to order Avon. Go online to avon.com and they will find you a rep, order directly online and you will get your items from them. It takes the hassle from reps like this.
Shayen on 03/20/2014:
Yep, there are way too many Avon reps out there to chase after this one.
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It's a Business
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I understand why people may feel they are being ripped off by Avon but folks wake up. This is a business. There are expenses involved. Try having yourself as self employed in other fields and you will quickly realize that it is not easy. If you are not willing to keep your books properly and treat Avon as a biz then you will be disappointed. Don't expect to just "sell" without having costs. Way what you want to do. See if you really want to be self-employeed and if you have the motivation to deal with it. If not, don't do it. If you want to try it keep your records. That simple. Don't blame a company for your own shortcomings. Not a single biz out there is perfect. You will not be handed your income free and clear. This does involve WORK so be prepared to do that. Not only in the "Hi how are you" aspect but in the bookkeeping area as well. Good Luck
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Anonymous on 09/06/2010:
I agree. I was a MK consultant and I know that to be successful at this kind of business you have to plan your work and work your plan, a lot of people don't seem to understand that and badmouth the companies when they end up investing more into it than they get back out of it. Got to put some hustle in the bustle. 40% is the norm for profit, while putting 50% back into ordering product, and setting 10% aside to cover books, taxes, shipping and other incidentals. Doesn't take a business or accounting major to figure that out to be sure.
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Avon supposed to be a business for women right!!!!!! will to me their not, because they act like men!!!!! they have that look and negative attitude, will it is not Avon problem. My advise ladies!!! if you are thinking about becoming an Business woman, like I am, just go to college or go back to college and get your certificate or degree in Business Management. Because Avon is not the way out, they will SUCKER you to join their business, and it seems good at first, but miss a payment, and you will see the excitement!!! is just getting started. Avon will send you a friendly reminder letter that your account is past due, and they want your money, after you ran around in circles for their company, selling their products to your CUSTOMERS!!! Do not give Avon the upper hand, to close your account. They will resend you the last reminder letter along with Sunrise Credit Services, Inc. In my opinion Avon is a total SCAM!!!!! and a total WASTE OF ANYBODY TIME and SERVICES!!!!!!
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spiderman2 on 06/12/2010:
I do think most businesses want you to pay your bills. I don't think that is out of the ordinary. You sell the product and collect the money from the customer and then send it on to Avon.
Anonymous on 06/12/2010:
Avon never suckered me into doing anything. I order from them online often.
oldisgood on 06/12/2010:
sounds to me like someone is a little upset because Avon wants them to pay their bill. Yes, if you sell their product to someone they expect you to pay for it.
Starlord on 06/12/2010:
This reminds me of the tag line of the auto recovery firm on Operation Repo, "It ain't no joke if you don't pay that note." You agreed to certain financial terms in deciding to sell Avon, and they met their part of the deal. It is not unreasonable to expect you to do the same.
PepperElf on 06/12/2010:
Indeed. There is nothing "anti-female" about someone asking you to pay your bills.
You signed an agreement, it is not their fault if you find you cannot honor it.
Next time I suggest you try a company that doesn't make you buy the products in order to sell them. Party Lite for example.
However this bears repeating, nowhere does it say that "a company for women" means, "feel free to not pay your bills".
everyone else here, +++++ :-)
lilydarling on 06/12/2010:
I sold Avon for many years, and NOT ONCE did I get any kind of letter from them demanding payment BECAUSE I ALWAYS PAID MY BILL ON TIME. That's how it works in the real world.
punxnotdead80 on 06/13/2010:
Since when did it become a feminine trait to not pay bills on time?
DON'TBEASUCKER!! on 06/13/2010:
But what about if you get layoff from your job? LILYDARLING!!!!! and your customers don't have the money for the product or products, for which you order for them, then YOU as a Avon Representative are RESPONSIBLE!!!! to pay!!!!! for their items for which they ordered. Because they do give you, I'll say 7 days to pay before the next campaign and IF you don't have it nor do you have enough funds in your acct. to cover your payment, Avon is not going show you any care but, giving them money, it just like the show Operation Repo. that's if you ever watched it!!!! the more payments you miss, it can be just about anything in the world the more money you own,Especially, if you can't get no help from your family members and You supposed to be an Avon Independent Representative, and I'm a single parent paying everything by myself and including when I was a Avon Independent Representative, every time when my payment was due regardless the amount and never asked anybody not even my family member to help me pay, because I ALWAYS had it AND I had 2 checking accounts. including savings SWEETHEART!! and never been married so, if you r married u can ask your husband to pay it off for you, because HE CAN NOT say NO to you, so you're OK .since, you mentioned about that you sold for Avon for many years r you still a representative or leadership?
Sheriffs Uncle on 06/13/2010:
The way I understand it to work is this: You don't give your customers their products unless they pay you. If they don't pay you, you can return the products to Avon for credit. If you decide to give your customers merchandise without being paid, who's fault is that? Avon's?
COOKIES! on 06/13/2010:
Thanks for the review, I think I may sign up to sell Avon, it sounds like a good business opportunity. I do believe I will take payment for items before delivery though.
Sheriffs Uncle on 06/13/2010:
DON'TBEASUCKER!! on 06/13/2010:
Lily darling, I bet you, you won't take that risk to miss your Avon payment, because you already know if you don't pay for for amount of weeks. Avon will send you a letter including your name,address, phone, and district #. And if you don;t have the money or let's say your bank closed your checking account, cause you can't pay your debit card or credit card for the items, because you're in the deepest hole and trying to hold on to your life, Avon Will send you a second notice along with Sunrise Credit Services!!!! and THAT'S HOW SWEETHEART YOUR COOKIES WILL CRUMBLE!!!!
Anonymous on 06/13/2010:
Legit direct-selling/multilevel marketing organizations like Avon and Amway can be great business opportunities for people willing to run a business, not for those who just think they will suddenly acquire great wealth by signing up. Most of the complaints about these kinds of businesses are from people unwilling or unable to actually attempt to run the business. For those who really attempt to work the systems properly, they can earn as little or as much as they want - but it takes a lot of hard work and a long time to make happen, just as most any business takes. There's nothing magical about it, but, as with every other business, you've got to pay your bills. Period.
Skye on 06/13/2010:
Avon wants to be paid. Just like you want your customers to pay you, for the products they ordered. You would not like your customers to NOT pay you, therefore causing you the run around. Avon supplied you when you needed it, now they want to be paid. That seems fair.
Sheriffs Uncle on 06/13/2010:
Not disagreeing with you at all Linus, but I don't like to mention Avon in the same sentence with Amway. I consider Avon much more legit.
Skye on 06/13/2010:
OMG, Amway. My sister got involved with them, and it was a nightmare.She and her best friend were so young, and thought Amway would be a way to earn a decent living. WRONG. It still haunts her till this day, the mere mention or a commercial about Amway products. As for Avon, great products, and you can order them on line now, just as Dryad does.
PepperElf on 06/13/2010:
"But what about if you get layoff from your job?"
Oh you're right... laid off means you don't have to pay bills.
Nope. If you're laid off then you job hunt. You put in apps until you can't see straight. Even for jobs you don't really want.
that's what I did. the only job I turned down was one that turned out to be "contract" work that wanted me to buy a specific phone and didn't actually guarantee me any hours.
But never did I assume that "a company for women" means "you don't have to be responsible"
FlShopper on 06/14/2010:
I sold Avon for a long time, made a decent amount of money, always paid on time and never had a letter sent to me. As others mention, if a customer couldn't pay, then their order was returned to Avon. When I saw that my customer base was going to be decreasing significantly, I closed up shop and "retired" in good standing.
Ghost of former member on 06/22/2010:
Being asked to pay your bills is anti-female? That's a new one to me!
clutzycook on 06/22/2010:
Great comment idontthinkso! Couldn't have said it any better myself!
Iloveavon on 09/18/2010:
Oh My! How refreshing to see that there are still a few people on Planet Earth, who know the meaning of integrity. Thank you. Just a few examples of this are reflected by:
oldisgood, Starlord and other listed below.
PepperElf : Indeed. There is nothing "anti-female" about someone asking you to pay your bills.
lilydarling:NOT ONCE did I get any kind of letter from them demanding payment "BECAUSE I ALWAYS PAID MY BILL ON TIME". That's how it works in the real world.
Thank you to all of you REAL people. You have restored my faith in humanity! :)
jinia_jinia3 on 06/24/2011:
There's nothing that makes women easier to work with than men.No difference.I don't understand the sexism here.Paying bills is the grown up thing to do and it's not a gender issue.
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After seeing the commercials for Avon I decided to give it a try to earn extra money. Less than months I quit, Avon pays reps 40% of the total earning minus Avon fees. Avon charges an order processing fee, an order processing charge, and other fees that apply, not to mention sell tax. Also, we have to pay for campaign booklets, bags (if needed) and other items. I decided to leave it along when I submitted an order one week and the following week I submitted 2 more order not quit a day apart. When I receive my order and bill I was charge for a multiple order processing fee of an extra $14 plus the other fees Avon charges. Also, Avon only wanted to pay me 20% of the total earning for the order. I didn't think this was fair because Avon receive 60-80+ percent of representatives earning.
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Alain on 03/26/2010:
Looks similar to a complaint on 3/21. You quit and that's a good thing since you and Avon weren't going to get along.
DON'TBEASUCKER!! on 06/16/2010:
good for u now u see what Avon is all about!!!!
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This Proposal aims to integrate Zend Framework and Doctrine 1 via Zend Tool.
Zend Framework: Zend Tool and Doctrine 1 Integration Component Proposal
Proposed Component Name
Zend Tool and Doctrine 1 Integration
Developer Notes
http://framework.zend.com/wiki/display/ZFDEV/Zend Tool and Doctrine 1 Integration
Benjamin Eberlei
Zend Liaison
1.0 - 9th November 2009 (wiki revision: 7)
Table of Contents
1. Overview
All Doctrine 1 CLI commands will be integrated into the Zend_Tool project context
and additional context resources are provided to support Doctrine metadata,
migrations, fixture etc. Both non-modular and modular applications should
be supported for the task of generating models and tables. This proposal
sets on top of Doctrine 1 resource proposal by Matthew Lurz.
2. References
3. Component Requirements, Constraints, and Acceptance Criteria
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This Proposal aims to integrate Zend Framework and Doctrine 1 via Zend Tool.
This Proposal aims to integrate Zend Framework and Doctrine 1 via Zend Tool.
4. Dependencies on Other Framework Components
- Zend_Application
- Zend_Tool_Framework
- Zend_Tool_Project
- Zend_Form
- Zend_CodeGenerator
- Doctrine 1.2
5. Theory of Operation
The Zend Tool integration will use the configured Zend Application resource
to configure Doctrine 1 for the use with Schema Tool or other CLI tasks.
With a configured Doctrine resource you will be able to issue the following commands:
Commands will all make heavy use of --verbose and --pretend flags.
You should be able to configure via the doctrine resource if you want to use code-generation
to generate abstract classes for forms or tables of Doctrine_Record's.
Usage would look like:
Zend Tool would keep track of the Doctrine context directories and will make sure that the generation
is taking place as configured. If you want to generate different records/tables into different modules
you have to configure the modules accordingly, this will take place in a new config file being called
"doctrine-modules.ini" which has the Doctrine Model <-> ZF Module relationsships and can either be
edited by hand or be configured with the help of "zf configure doctrine.module" and "zf assign-model doctrine.module".
It will now generate the classes in ZF-Style (Supported by Resource Loader):
Or in Pear Style:
With the help of Doctrine Model and Table context files it is possible to find orphaned files at this
point and delete them.
All this is up for discussion and changes, its just an outline over what I think is possible and could be done to integrate Zend Tool and Doctrine 1. What do you think?
6. Milestones / Tasks
- Milestone 1: Community Review
- Milestone 2: Prototype
- Milestone 3: Zend Acceptance
- Milestone 4: Completion & Documentation
7. Class Index
- Zend_Doctrine_Tool_Provider_Doctrine
- Zend_Doctrine_Tool_DoctrineTasks
- Zend_Doctrine_Tool_Context_DataFixturesDirectory
- Zend_Doctrine_Tool_Context_MigrationsDirectory
- Zend_Doctrine_Tool_Context_SqlDirectory
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- Zend_Doctrine_Tool_Context_FormAbstractFile
- Zend_Doctrine_Form
- Zend_Doctrine_CodeGenerator_Form
- Zend_Doctrine_Import
- Zend_Doctrine_Import_Builder
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Nov 11, 2009

Hi. I welcome this initiative!

Why would one need a ini to map modules to models? Matthews resource plugin defines paths in its .ini for each model you wish to create. One is free to point them at a module... I feel I am missing something...

One of the problems that is consistently emerging is modular support. Could someone be a little verbose on expressing the exact problem of modular support? Also (how) does this tie in with autoloading and or PEAR style model organization (Doctrine 1.2+). Should the model class names reflect the module name? (Model_Base_Entity vs CMS_Model_Base_Entity) Ah, questions, tastes and best practices...

And some concrete feedback : Proposed is to put doctrine models in the directory 'module/models'. Personally I have other, none-doctrine, model classes at that location (so these can be used from both controllers and amf-services) and therefore place the doctrine models within a directory called doctrine.

module/models/... (custom model classes)

Nov 11, 2009

The problem is not ZF not going to find the models, the problem is that Doctrine Schema files don't support the notion of a module. That means you would want to have a means to generate the models into different modules, say you have three modules: Default, Cms and Guestbook.

Then you have different models, User, Article, Category, Comment, (Guestbook)-Entry.

You would want to have the following generation of the models:

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User => Model_User
Article => Cms_Model_Article
Category => Cms_Model_Category
Comment => Cms_Model_Comment
GuestbookEntry => Guestbook_Model_Entry

This has to be configured in an additional way for the Doctrine Import scripts (CLI ./doctrine generate-models) to build the files correctly.

For your example you could define the doctrine paths to be:

<ac:macro ac:name="code"><ac:plain-text-body><![CDATA[
Default Module => Model_Doctrine_
Cms => Cms_Model_Doctrine_
Guestbook => Guestbook_Model_Doctrine_

with the respective:

<ac:macro ac:name="code"><ac:plain-text-body><![CDATA[
User => Model_Doctrine_User
Article => Cms_Model_Doctrine_Article
Category => Cms_Model_Doctrine_Category
Comment => Cms_Model_Doctrine_Comment
GuestbookEntry => Guestbook_Model_Doctrine_Entry

This way these files for this classes won't be mixed with your other model files.

Nov 11, 2009

Wouldn't want one to be able to only run commands on a single module? I know I would

example :

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zf create doctrine <moduleName> # Generate all Database, Models, Forms for module moduleName
zf rebuild doctrine.db <moduleName> # Drop and Create database for module moduleName
zf load doctrine.data <moduleName> # Loads data from fixtures directory for module moduleName
... etc ...
Nov 11, 2009

great idea, i buy it <ac:emoticon ac:name="smile" />

Nov 11, 2009

Good catch Bas. I just wanted to point out that care would need to be taken in the case of interdependent modules due to connection binding, see http://www.doctrine-project.org/documentation/manual/1_1/en/yaml-schema-files#features-examples:connection-binding. In these cases, models for 2 or more modules could be bound to same connection.

Dec 12, 2009

I'd suggest grouping all doctrine tasks under one namespace if possible. It's good practise all along ZF.

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zf doctrine build-all
zf doctrine build-all-reload

etc. This is (at least for me) expected behaviour.

Dec 12, 2009

Zend Tool has namespaces at third position, for semantic reasons.

zf <action> <provider>.

The Provider will be Doctrine, so its all grouped in one namespace.

Dec 14, 2009

Is it possible to access the code of this proposal? It's all included in the Zym git repository, but it's not accessible at all. Could you point out where we can download the complete Doctrine namespace for Zend Tool? Copy/paste every file from the webinterface is too much work <ac:emoticon ac:name="wink" />

Dec 15, 2009

I have another comment, a bit related to the one Bas K posted at first. I think it's a good idea to have the ability configure paths relative to a module's root. In combination with the module specific commands (zf create doctrine <moduleName>) this component will be very flexible in respect of modular loading and generation of models.

I'd like to have all module specific information inside my module directory. That said, for now I have this set of configuration:

scheme file: configs/scheme.yml

fixtures: configs/data/fixtures/

sql: configs/data/sql/

migration: configs/migrations/

models: models/

This means the scheme file for e.g. a guestbook module is located at application/modules/guestbook/configs/scheme.yml

I took care of the autoloading with the modules application resource (http://juriansluiman.nl/en/blog/article/105/doctrine-modular-loading-of-models). I think the module-based configuration (for both config files and the models/forms) is a more flexible approach to keep the loved ZF modular structure including the Doctrine advantages.

My comment has several implications:

Mapping (configure doctrine.module & assign-model doctrine.module) isn't required anymore, the module controls itself

Actions with a module argument are easy and convenient to implement

Actions without a module argument loops through all modules to perform the selected action (this might be the negative side of my comment)

I think there are several options to configure Doctrine such it's intelligent with loading the models in Zend's modular structure. A lot of information is spread lately about the integration of Doctrine with ZF, but 99% forgets the modular structure because Doctrine doesn't provide such an organized structure. I hope with the integration of Doctrine 1 and Zend_Tool (this proposal) we look more at this problem and provide a better method to keep things inside the module directory (imho the preferred method).

I know my comment doens't only apply to this proposal, but is also meant for the Doctrine resource (http://framework.zend.com/wiki/display/ZFPROP/Zend_Application_Resource_Doctrine+-+Matthew+Lurz). I thought this was the best place to put my ideas down <ac:emoticon ac:name="smile" />

Mar 08, 2010

I committed the first working version of my tooling support for ZF + Doctrine prototype to my user branch:

http://framework.zend.com/svn/framework/standard/branches/user/beberlei/zfdoctrine/

Using it boils down to the following commands:

First you need to modify your .zf.ini to look for the DoctrineProvider in "library/Zend/Doctrine/Tool/DoctrineProvider.php"

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zf create project foo
cd foo
zf create-project doctrine --dsn="dsnhere" --with-resource-directories
zf create module addressbook

Now you can go to your application/config/schema directory and create a yaml schema, for example:

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tableName: users
type: string(255)
type: string(255)
type: integer
class: Addressbook_Model_Contact
local: contact_id
foreign: id
foreignAlias: User
foreignType: one
type: one
tableName: contacts
type: string(255)
type: string(255)
type: string(255)
type: string(255)
type: string(255)
class: Model_User
local: id
foreign: contact_id
foreignAlias: Contact
foreignType: one
type: one

Plus add the module resource loaders to your Bootstrap:

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public function _initResourceLoaders()Unknown macro: { $resourceLoader = new Zend_Application_Module_Autoloader(array( 'basePath' => APPLICATION_PATH . "/modules/addressbook", 'namespace' => 'Addressbook', )); $resourceLoader = new Zend_Application_Module_Autoloader(array( 'basePath' => APPLICATION_PATH . "/", 'namespace' => '', )); }

Here you can see the requirements on the model. ZF and Doctrine Integration only works if you follow it completly:

Your Models have to be called either Model_Foo or Module_Model_Foo

Now you can go generate the models from the YAML file:

<ac:macro ac:name="code"><ac:plain-text-body><![CDATA[
zf generate-models-yaml doctrine
zf build-all-reload doctrine --force

The first command generates the Model_User and Addressbook_Model_Contact aswell as their respective Base clases Model_Base_User and Adressbook_Model_Base_Contact. The second command creates the database from the schema and loads a fixture from the "application/configs/fixtures".

What is missing:

Tool support to create multiple places where a YAML schema can be generated.

Be aware:

This proposal tightly integrates ZF and Doctrine in the default project schema. Any attempt to use it in another way will fail, and you should use the components strengths separately to get where you want to.

I would appreciate feedback from anyone who wants to give it a try.

Mar 11, 2010

Hello everyone,

I can't checkout your repository :

C:\Users\MightyDucks\Desktop\zend\library\Zend\Doctrine2\Application\Resource\Entitymanager.php

In directory 'C:\Users\MightyDucks\Desktop\zend\library\Zend\Doctrine2\Application\Resource'

Can't open file

'C:\Users\MightyDucks\Desktop\zend\library\Zend\Doctrine2\Application\Resource\.svn\tmp\text-base\Entitymanager.php.svn-base':

The specified file is not found.

Can you check your repos ?

Thank you

Apr 26, 2010

Hi Julien - I had the same problem today. It is because there are two files in that dir (Entitymanager.php and EntityManager.php) which obviously resolve to the same file in windows due to its lack of case sensitivity. There is no way around this at present other than doing the check-out on a non-windows machine. I've sent Benjamin (beberlei) an email asking him to remove the extra file so check-outs work <ac:emoticon ac:name="smile" />

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American Dental Association http://www.ada.org
National Institute of Dental and Craniofacial Research http://www.nidcr.nih.gov
Canadian Dental Association http://www.cda-adc.ca
Canadian Dental Hygienists Association http://www.cdha.ca
Root canal (endodontic) treatment. American Dental Association website. Available at: http://www.ada.org/public/topics/root%5Fcanal.asp. Accessed September 16, 2009.
What is a root canal? Academy of General Dentistry website. Available at: http://www.knowyourteeth.com/. Updated February 2007. Accessed September 16, 2009.
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I live in Charlotte NC. We have a bunch of sanghas here -- some are less Buddhist and more general meditation -- but there are certainly quite a few bona-fide Buddhist sanghas in the area. But they are all one variation or another of Mahayana Buddhism and honor the Bodhissatvas. There is a soto zen group, a Lam Te Dhyana group (Thich Nhat Hanh), a Unitarian Universalist-lead Buddhist meditation sangha, a Nichiren-shu group and I think there may even be a branch of SGI here. There are several temples as well -- one Laotian, one Cambodian, one Thai (all of which I would assume are Theravada, but they don't have web sites, and when I call them, they either do not answer or else someone answers who does not speak English well and does not understand what I am saying. I would like to join a Theravada sangha, but not necessarily a temple where most of the practitioners are monks.
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Marc by Marc Jacobs, a line usually known for whimsical prints and striking outfits, played things safe with its Fall 2012 line. Dark colors, prim skirts and heavy jackets abound, giving the collection an almost somber feel. But who ever said that looking serious is a bad thing? In this case, it certainly isn't. Most of the pieces have the modest-like feel of '80s fashion, some with a bit of Edwardian flare thrown in. Check a handful of them out after the cut!
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WASHINGTON - The Hawk 'n' Dove is back, albeit in a different form.
The Capitol Hill fixture, closed since October 2011, reopens Thursday after major renovations.
The ambience and menu have changed dramatically since its last service, although some relics from its past have made the transition.
"We have the old Hawk 'n' Dove sign in back hanging over the kitchen," says Jack McAuliffe, a general manager.
"We do have a couple of signs, old decoy ducks that were all around the Hawk 'n' Dove, it was kind of a big thing," he says.
Regulars labeled the former go-to spot as a dive bar. After more than a year of renovations, this establishment, retaining the same name, hopes to carve out a different identity.
"We're a saloon with kind of an upscale tavern fare," McAuliffe says, noting the bar has 18 beers on tap.
"We also have some nice wine. The food is a little bit more upscale. It's still a bar but definitely a little more emphasis on food," he says.
The Hawk 'n' Dove at 329 Pennsylvania Ave., SE, opens at 4:30 p.m. Thursday.
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I searched out my options in stores for maternity wear, and remembered how maternity clothing can be so overpriced! I really don't want to pay $15.00+ for a shirt when I know I can make a shirt with knit bought for half that price or less.
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Quakers ready for OAC celebration
February 13, 2013
The Wilmington swim team is excited about this year's prospects at the OAC championships. (Wilmington file/Randy Sarvis)
It's time to celebrate, well sort of. The Wilmington College swim teams are competing this week in the Ohio Athletic Conference championships, starting Thursday at the University of Akron. (Championship Website)
"This is a celebration of swimming," said head coach Trip Breen. "As we get closer to the championship meet, the work is over. We are resting. We just have to be prepared to race. I think we have a lot to look forward to. Our bodies are right; our training was right, now all we have to do is get our minds right. Put all those things together and you have the pinnacle of the season. There is a true mind and body connection, and our swimmers have to take advantage of that."
The Quakers have never finished higher than fifth in the championships, and are looking to break through this season.
Wilmington have two swimmers, senior Julie Creech (Dayton, OH/Centerville) and junior Corbin Hellwarth (Celina, OH/Parkway), who earned All-OAC honors in last season's swim meet. Creech earned league honors in the 100 and 200 butterfly, while Hellwarth earned conference recognition in the 100 breaststroke.
Breen wouldn't go as far as highlighting which events he thought the Quakers would excel at, but he couldn't hide his excitement about the teams' prospects.
"All we have to go on is the psych sheet," he said. "I am excited where we are on the sheet. Most of the times came from midseason taper meets, and we didn't taper this season. So most of the times we have are when we swam tired. It's time to relax, have fun, celebrate this time of the season and see what is possible. It comes down to racing in these final three days."


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Located in the northern part of Mexico, the 'House in Chihuahua' is a white concrete and glass sloping roof building boasting rooftop views to the city. Since the dwelling is within a traditional community, regulations stated that at least 80% of the roof had to be inclined to avoid a 'modern' architectural aesthetic. Therefore Productora reinterpreted the rules, building a set of sloping roofs as one continuous surface.
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kjscarpati April 10, 2012 at 8:40 am
I pwn 10 acres in the Texas Chihuahua Desert. Can I build a house similar to this.
Green Joy December 3, 2011 at 1:37 am
Fascinating design. You'd think it would require more heating because of the large quantities of windows, but as the article said, the designer already accounted for that. Less energy consumption = less gas and coal burned. Good job!
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Jill FehrenbacherDid you know that there are wolves living near you in almost every state in the country? Sadly most of these wolves are not living in the wild, but in wolf sanctuaries, which are conservation organizations set up to protect them and help grow their populationREAD MORE >
Yuka YonedaNamba Parks was conceived when Osaka Stadium closed down, presenting a great redevelopment opportunity for a new commercial district right next to the Namba Train Station, which is just one stop away from Kansai Airport. Since it's one of the first placesREAD MORE >
Beth BuczynskiTop image: A child is put to work at a militia-run mine in Watsa. © Marcus Bleasdale/National Geographic Captured during a 2004 visit to the war-torn Democratic Republic of Congo, Bleasdale's images "tell the story of the country's mineral resourceREAD MORE >
Jill FehrenbacherYou've all heard the tired mantras about changing your lightbulbs and recycling at home in order to save the planet - are you yawning yet? Many consumers think that going green is a gesture of self-sacrifice that often comes at great expense and inconvenienceREAD MORE >
Yuka YonedaBANANAS You might have heard that bananas are favored by athletes because they contain potassium and it's that same reason that makes them great hangover cures. When you're hungover, your body has lost a lot of potassium that needs to be replenished, so eatingREAD MORE >
Yuka YonedaImages © Graham King "The shopping cart tree symbolizes both generosity and abundance, as well as acknowledging those less fortunate where their whole world may be housed in a cart. We see shopping carts every day and take them for granted. IndividuallyREAD MORE >
Jill FehrenbacherTIP 1: Wrap Your Home in Insulation - "The More, The Better!" Proper insulation is probably the most important factor you can control in creating an energy-efficient home. I always say insulation is like chocolate, the more you have, the better! On average,READ MORE >
Kestrel JenkinsWhile conjuring up comfort in the home seems like a basic principle, it's a far more complex process for architect & remodeling guru Sarah Susanka, who believes that comfort can significantly influence the sustainability of your personal abode. WithREAD MORE >
Lidija GrozdanicTwo architects, Jos Burger and Wouter Keijzer of BK. Architecten, in charge of the renovation of the old church decided to preserve the atmosphere of the existing place with a spatial intervention that preserves its historical value. The three new floors wereREAD MORE >
Morgana MatusFor centuries, the Dutch have manipulated the landscape to move water away from their dwellings. Instead of battling the elements, Netherlands-based firm Waterstudio just announced plans to construct the world's first floating apartment complex in 2014! TheREAD MORE >
Tamsin Woolley-Barker, PhD.The Biomimicry Manual: What can We Learn About Resilience, Weight Loss, and Kidney Disease from the Grizzly Bear?I'm off to the wilds of Montana this week, doing some in-person, up-close biomimicry research, and I've got my fingers crossed I'll see a grizzly bear. But you know, over there, not over here. With five inch long claws, massive muscular shoulders and forearms,READ MORE >
Bridgette MeinholdINHABITAT: How does the term Colorfast describe your latest show? R Nelson Parrish: The term Colorfast originally is a textile industry term derived at the beginning of the last century. It defines how a color cannot fade, wash out, or be diluted over time,READ MORE >