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Smoking on the Island Princess
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Carl from Pahrump
CALIFORNIA -- Princess fails to protect non-smokers from the well-known negative health consequences of second-hand cigarette, cigar, and pipe smoke.
Princess makes no effort to enforce the minimal rules they do have. If you point out a violation of the rules to the Pursers office, they will listen to you and do nothing. Security people who are supposed to enforce the rules can see people smoking in non-smoking eating areas - and not say or do anything. I understand that Princess employees donât want to hassle customers, but letting smokers pollute the air wherever they want is grossly unfair to non-smokers.
There is so much Princess and other cruise lines could easily do to make things better - like have all smoking cabins on the Port side and all non-smoking cabins on the Starboard side; and restrict smoking in public rooms to enclosed designated areas. Celebrity and RCI have taken a step in the right direction by banning smoking in cabins and on balconies, but more is required!
P&O Cruises Australia seems to be leading the way in limiting smoking on cruise ships. Their policy is: âIn the interest of our passengers' health, safety and enjoyment during their cruising holiday, smoking is not permitted indoors, including in cabins, suites and on private balconies. This is in line with Australian standards. Outdoor smoking venues will be published in the Pacific Daily on board your cruiseâ (see www.pocruises. co. nz/AlreadyBooked/CruiseHandbook/Pages/SmokingPolicy.aspx).
The smoking policies of most cruise lines can be found at: http://www.shipdetective.com/ships/programs/smoking_policies.htm . Princess is not alone in catering to smokers and disregarding the health, safety and enjoyment of non-smokers.
Princess wants to pretend that sensitivity to tobacco smoke is just a matter of personal preference and opinion â not a real health and safety issue. You would think the Star Princess fire of March 23, 2006 would have made it abundantly clear to Princess management how dangerous smoking in cabins and on balconies is to the physical safety of passengers, crew, and the ship itself. See http://www.cruisecritic.com/news/news. cfm?ID=1576 for details of the horrific fire.
Princess once told us in a letter that cruise ships were not like airplanes, and that passengers could not be expected to wait for the next Port to smoke. I would respond that smoking is completely optional, and treatment options are available for those wishing to quit smoking. Breathing fresh air is not optional; in fact, it is an absolute necessity for people with respiratory issues like Asthma, and is generally necessary for everyoneâs good health â including smokers.
Princess says that smoking is prohibited in dinning areas and theaters. However, when smoking is allowed in cabins, the clothing of smokers is saturated with the stench of stale smoke that goes with them throughout the ship. The stench lingers for a long time after the smoker leaves the area. This definitely affected our enjoyment of public areas.
Some public areas are divided into smoking and non-smoking sides. This ridiculous approach results in the whole area being filled with cigarette smoke. The only effective way to control the spread of cigarette smoke in public areas is to eliminate it at the source. Otherwise, you should label the public areas as Smoking Only.
Non-smokers pay the same price as smokers for a cruise. But smokers have the power to prevent non-smokers from enjoying most of the shipâs features by the simple act of smoking and polluting the air in an area. If cruise lines were fair, they would charge non-smoking passengers substantially less because they cannot enjoy the ship as much as smokers.
Cruise ships seem to be the last refuge of smokers. Smokers think nothing about lighting-up in the presence of non-smokers. They often seem to enjoy exposing others to their second-hand smoke. Cruise line management is extremely reluctant to offend the sensibilities of smokers. They donât seem to realize how many non-smoking customers they are losing after each trip. According to the CDC, only 19.8 of U.S. adults smoked cigarettes in 2007. Cruise management had better start being concerned about the sensibilities of the 80% of the population that donât smoke, if they want to remain a growing industry.
Princess management doesnât want to know what their customers think about their smoking policy. They could easily find out by including smoking in the things they put in their evaluation questionnaire, like:
v Should smoking continue to be allowed in cabins?
v Should smoking continue to be allowed on balconies?
v Should smoking continue to be allowed in bars and lounges?
v Should smoking continue to be allowed on the Promenade Deck?
v How effective is enforcement of the Smoking Policy of this ship?
v Does allowing smoking on this ship negatively impact your enjoyment of the cruise?
v Does smoking on this ship negatively impact your health?
v Does allowing smoking on this ship cause you to be concerned about the safety of cruising?
v What could we do to reduce the impact of smoking on you?
v How important is it for you to be able to smoke on this ship?
v Should smoking be banned on this ship?
Princess could easily ask these questions if they were interested in what their customers thought about smoking. The fact that they donât ask any smoking questions tells me how desperate they are to allow smoking in spite of their fiduciary duty to the stockholders. They donât ask the questions because they donât want to know the results that would probably require them to take actions to limit or band smoking. By not asking any questions, management can pretend that everything is fine, and that they are not aware of any serious problem allowing smoking causes their customers. This is folly on steroids!
Princess needs to join the rest of the civilized world and highly restrict smoking on ships so that non-smokers are not continually subjected to the stench and health impacts of second hand smoke, the potential of spending many hours/days in a life boat, or worse - cancer from second smoke or death by fire.
I personally favor an absolute ban of any type of smoking on cruise ships â with violators removed from the ship at the next Port (like they do for drug possession or use). My wife and I have decided to boycott Princess until they completely ban smoking on their cruise ships. The perks of being Platinum means nothing compared to the stench of cigarette smoke.
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JR in Orlando on 12/04/2009:
Don't go on the cruise, if you don't like the smoke. The overwhelming majority of the world allows smoking, so don't think just because you're an American you have a right to be stridently opposed to it elsewhere.
Besides, in light of the climategate information coming out about false and manipulated data, who knows if the the "second hand smoke" theory is just another smokescreen for those who don't like smokers to hide behind.
JR in Orlando on 12/04/2009:
Can I assume you are from Pahrump, Nevada? That is a nice town. I just getting ready to send money out to the Pahrump Santa.
Anonymous on 12/04/2009:
No FUMAR!
Why is it smoker's think they got some sort of god given right to practice their disgusting bad habit around the rest of us. Forget all the rules and regulations it's just plain bad manners to smoke around non-smokers. Not surprising though they don't care enough about their own self to quit the slow suicide why would anybody think they'd care about anybody else. Just disgusting.
Slimjim on 12/04/2009:
I don't smoke anymore, but still am disappointed to hear private balcony smoking is being prohibited. Smokers don't have many areas on a ship to smoke and their balcony area is important to them. No way on a moving ship is smoking on one balcony going to really bother someone next door too much and if so, then go inside till the neighbor finishes.
In this case with Princess, they may need to make clearer signs in these non-smoking areas. At that point, a crew member can approach violators a bit easier.
PepperElf on 12/04/2009:
I guess they could always do what the navy ships do...
designate a specific part of the ship as being the "smoke break" area.
and smoking is prohibited in all other areas.
therefore one would have no reason to go there unless one was smoking
JR in Orlando on 12/04/2009:
Its not bad manners to smoke around non-smokers, that is just the OPINION of some people. A look at old movies show that even in America 60 years ago it was not considered bad manners. Since the majority of the world lives somewhere you can smoke without restriction, and the cruise ship is on the high seas - not in America - what non-smoker has a right to say it is bad manners, or it is not a God given right to smoke. If the person does not like the smoke go to the "non-smoking" area.
spiderman2 on 12/04/2009:
LEt me just say I am no fan of smoking...Actually Ihate it, but...this claim from the OP made me chuckle..."Non-smokers pay the same price as smokers for a cruise. But smokers have the power to prevent non-smokers from enjoying most of the shipâs features by the simple act of smoking and polluting the air in an area. If cruise lines were fair, they would charge non-smoking passengers substantially less because they cannot enjoy the ship as much as smokers." Well honey, it can be turned around on you, smokers can say you are no fun and take away from their cruise experience so they should be charged less. If smoking bothers you that much, you need to vacation somewhere besides a cruise ship.
Anonymous on 12/04/2009:
In all matters of manners it's always mere opinion. An ever evolving social compact of what's acceptable and not acceptable in civilized society. Just because smoking anywhere and everywhere was very acceptable 60 years ago has no bearing on today. Heck, 60 years ago making little kids go to separate schools due to the color of their skin and making their parents sit in the back of the bus was acceptable in its day. I don't think one could argue it should be acceptable today because it was back then.
Simple truth is there's more of us (non-smokers) than smokers. I believe if we non-smokers don't like the smoke we should make it clear to the businesses who seek our money that they won't get that money unless they ban smoking at their establishments. Let the market decide this one.
Anonymous on 12/04/2009:
Well said, Spidey
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Nightmare with princess cruises
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LA AREA, ALABAMA -- I just had a nightmare with Golden Princess. Last winter break, my mom flew all the way from China to spend the vacation with me. Then nightmare happens. I forgot one of my documentation so I didnât went on board that day. I realized that was my fault so I just requested them to return my luggage. After three hours, a woman came out and simply told me there are too many luggage and they cannot find ours. I was really pissed. Apparently, they didnât send anyone to find my luggage. They just waited till the last minute and told us they can do nothing. Later on, the captain came out and promised me that they will send out my luggage as soon as they arrived in the first port of call. I agreed and left. After a few days, I called the customer service. What I got back is the ship was not able to send out my luggage without a reason. They instructed me to get my luggage after the ship went back to LA. I was so frustrated with my luggage so I went to their cooperate headquarter to get my luggage after two weeks, the time the ship went back from Hawaii. Guess what happened? They forgot my luggage on board and the ship had left for Hawaii again!! They have already broke their promises twice. I am almost speechless. My mom would be flying back to China in three days and she could not live without her luggage. After negotiation, Princess cruises agreed to send the luggage first to Berkeley and let me take out my stuff and send it back to China. I could do nothing but to accept it. On the way of the luggage from my place to the cruiseâs office, Fedex mistakenly sent the luggage back to Hawaii instead of their office in LA. I talked to them, and Fedex agreed to refund them the money. As I contacted the lost and found department again, they use it as an excuse and stopped the process of returning my luggage. Their reason was they had spent too much time on my luggage and they didnât want to deal with it anymore! Excuse me? If you just give the luggage to me when the ship returns to LA, and all those things couldnât happen! Itâs the third time employees in this company broke their promises to their customer. Finally a nice guy helped me to ship my luggage back to China, but it was two month after I gave my luggage to Princess Cruises. And the luggage still didnât return to my momâs hand yet coz the process involving international shipping are very complicated with Chinese custom.
For the whole two month, I spent countless time talking to their customer service, customer relationship department and lost and found department. I found their customer relationship representatives are extremely hard to reach and unhelpful. No one did step out to really solve my problem but only try to persuade me to find other departments to solve the problem. I find they are very passive and they sound like they are giving me a mercy instead of compensating what they have done wrong.
My luggage contains just my old clothes and personal belongings, but I bet every traveler understands that the luggage is almost my life when I am away from home. I not only lost all my booking fees, which is about 2400 dollars but also my whole winter break was ruined that I had to spend my Christmas Eve and New Yearâs Eve in a tiny motel room without my luggage.
The lesson I got out of this terrible experience is whether the money you pay is really for the people who are passionate about creating your dream vacation or just fulfilling their duties. I admit the main reason I booked with Princess Cruises was their reasonable price. However, after my experience with their uncompassionate employees, I find whether people are helpful when problems arise is a way more important factor to consider. I can see what a mess it is for Princess as a company and how poor the communications are between departments and departments. I strongly advice you to think it over before you book any cruise line with Princess. If you don't cause any trouble, I think you will be fine but if you do cause a little bit trouble, you will need a cruise company that really care about how their passengers feel instead of a company like Princess Cruises that try to find excuses to blame all the problems on their customer side and escape from positively solve the problems.
When I deal with these things during my holiday, I did research online and found many similar cases. I believe that apparently I am not the only who suffers from the similar problems. It must be their companyâs own problem that makes so many mistakes.
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Alain on 02/21/2012:
Along with sharing your experience here, you may want to consider posting reviews on sites that specifically deal with cruises only (use the keywords cruise ship complaints).
nikalseyn on 02/21/2012:
I could say it's about time someone from one of those "foreign" countries that handle our customer service calls got the same treatment we Americans receive all the time when we call a company.
In your case, you ran into a typical scenario where nobody really cares and just does the minimum necessary. All one can do is what you will now do---never go on a cruise with that company again. And, perhaps your story will help others decide to not use Princess Cruise Lines either.
Southern Gentleman on 01/28/2014:
You say the lesson that you learned was whether or not the money that you paid was for "passionate people". I understand that this was a terrible thing to have happen but I think the lesson you should have learned is that the required documents are actually REQUIRED. The required documentation is very simple. A passport and a boarding pass. How difficult is that to remember? Do you have any idea how chaotic it is during boarding of a cruise ship? Staterooms are being cleaned, food is being prepared, luggage is being loaded and stored aboard ship. It is little wonder that they could not bring your luggage to you before sailing.
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Took $27,000 From Seniors And Gave Them Nothing
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SAN CLARITA, OHIO -- Recently, our group of 20 friends booked a cruise that was scheduled to depart on 2 March from Valparaiso, Chile, to Rio De Janiero, Brazil. After months of careful planning and work to coordinate flights, visas ($5000 in fees and postage), calendars, immunizations, and other related logistics; an unexpected event occurred at our port of departure. An earthquake hit Chile, causing significant damage to major cities and ports. Star Princess' response to this disaster was slow and calculated. They delayed making any decision to cancel the cruise, and selectively communicated to us whether they were going to leave or not.
At the 11th hour, Star Princess decided to proceed with their scheduled departure from Chile. Then they announced rescheduling the departure twice and did not depart until 9:00pm March 4th. The obvious problem was getting to the port, which was physically impossible for all of us. Princess failed to disclose the following: a. prior to March 3, closing of the airport to all but military and emergency operations; b. the implementation of Phase I (March 3-5) and Phase II (March 6) restoration of the domestic and international flight services into Santiago Chile. American Airlines informed us that they could not fly us in until 7 March. Despite warnings from the United States government to avoid traveling to Chile, Star Princess informed its clients that they needed to be present either at Valparaiso, or the cruise's first scheduled stop at Punta Arenas (which would have cost an extra $85,000 to have us all fly there). We even tried to fly in from Rio De Janiero to the next port Ushuaia, because the last minute Princess cancelled Punta Arenas, and this domestic fare would require another $21,000 and an additional 11 hours of flying. The message from Star Princess was show up and board or forfeit the payment we made to them. There would be no refunds.
Interestingly, American Airline and Delta Airline graciously refunded our money, and even the mom and pop tourist companies based in Chile, and other Latin American countries gave our money back. Star Princess took $26,000 from us. We have nothing to show for either our money spent, or the time we invested into getting together for one of our dream trips among close friends. We implore Star Princess to do the right and conscionable thing, which is to schedule our group on another cruise or refund our money. To date, we've gotten nothing except bureaucratic responses and excuses. For the time being, I ask you to not do business with Star Princess, unless you want to risk paying something for nothing.
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Anonymous on 03/09/2010:
The natural disaster wasn't caused by Princess. However they should credit you for a future cruise.
momsey on 03/09/2010:
The OP didn't imply that the natural disaster was caused by Princess. She/he simply wants Princess to do what's right, which, as you said, would be a full credit for a future cruise or a full refund.
goduke on 03/09/2010:
If Princess doesn't step up, you might want to get in touch with the attorney general's office in Ohio.
josielulu on 03/09/2010:
Just want to correct, San Clarita is in California
Anonymous on 03/09/2010:
I agree with goduke and also for 26K I'd consult with an attorney. I'm sure in the contract Princess has disclaimed themselves out of any liability but judges tend to not let silly disclaimers get in the way of justice. Talk with an attorney. You'll be glad you did.
Anonymous on 03/09/2010:
They can't just keep your money. The complaint needs to be filed in the state that Princess calls its home (headquarters).
Anonymous on 03/09/2010:
Hmm...the way I see it is this. If this particular Princess Cruise is based at the Chilean port, then it does seem reasonable for it to be the passengers responsibility to get to that port. Flight problems are not the cruise lines issue or responsibility. I also do not see where they drug their feet on making the decision. They likely had to wait for all info to come in weigh the monetary vs scheduling conflict.
Second, well, this is exactly what traveler's insurance is for. I am surprised the airlines gave the refunds, unless the trip was purchased in parts separately. Unless I am totally missing something.
Last year I had a woman's expo planned and scheduled, with all vendors and ads placed and advertising paid for. There was 6 months of work into that event. The night before, a tornado ripped through town and tore down the pavilion in the lot next door, as well as damaging the building. I had 15 hours to decide whether to cancel or not.
I had to tour the lot and building, get clearance on whether the damage was such that it would be unsafe etc. I had hundreds of hours and dollars tied into this. Luckily, the building was fine, just a lot of clean up to do. Everyone pitched in: me, the vendors and heck, some of the customers, to get the parking lot and the inside cleaned up. (The party the night before had been canceled early due to the tornado and no one had come back to clean up their mess from the event).
It worked out, but I so understand the cruise lines position. Travel insurance. ALWAYS.
josielulu on 03/09/2010:
I forgot to mention there were more than 90 aftershocks in the region. Two aftershocks that registered 5.5 and 6.1. One of them literally stopped the port at Valparaiso from embarking passengers. The risk in this situation entailed much higher risk to the passengers' safety than the tornado in your situation. Glad you were able to salvage your event.
Anonymous on 03/09/2010:
If Princess wants to be hard nosed about this that's their right to do so. But that isn't the right way to handle it. They can very easy re-book on a later cruise and keep the money you paid them. Their crusie ships seldom sail full anymore so it's no skin off their nose to to do what's right.
Anonymous on 03/09/2010:
This is exactly why (for now)I don't cruise from a port I can't drive to. Come hell or high water, my azz is going to be on that ship.
Anonymous on 03/10/2010:
Josie, I am just saying that they have to weigh the pros and cons of going on with the trip. How many passengers have already arrived for the trip, how many employees can make the ship to work, The perishable foods items that have already been stocked on board, the news reports about the aftermath, the weather etc. They have to weight everything, and it takes time for all that.
Luckily you got refunds for the airfare...but don't hold too much against them. They are a business and again, travel insurance is sold for emergencies and unavoidable situations.
josielulu on 03/10/2010:
They should have focused on getting the passengers off their boat and just meeting their Mrch 16th schedule. Passengers do understand cancellation when there is a disaster. Honestly it will be difficult to enjoy myself with all the devastation around me.
Instead, they charged the passengers who could not catch their flights out of Santiago for staying on their boat $50-$75 per night. allowed to stay just one night; those who arrived on March 2, couldn't get on and had to find lodging elsewhere and paid for it themselves. Their refund is in shipboard credit or something, no cash.
It was obvious the safety issue would be the decisive factor to not go.
To salvage the trip, cost and long hours of travel to the next port, would decide also against it.
All factors point the way of impossible. Did Princess know that? They need to be true to themselves and answer that question.
Anonymous on 03/10/2010:
josie, if those same people had to go to a hotel they wouldn't have gotten the stay free, so I don't see what that complaint is about. The ship charged the extra nights as anyone else would have.
josielulu on 03/10/2010:
People were stranded on their ship. What if they had no money to pay? Sleep on the streets. There is an issue of double dipping. 1900 failed to make it to this cruise. Their vacant rooms were sold just like if we cancelled, the cruise line would make a strong effort to resell the room. But they take the hard line not to refund your money.
Thank you Lady Scot for helping me see both sides of the coin. Perhaps my biggest omission was check into the integrity and credibility of Princess as a business. Since this incident, I have found mounting evidence to really question their honesty and integrity. It is really unfortunate.
The fortunate thing is there are individuals like yourself who strive to present both sides. You should be rewarded for this valiant effort.
Anonymous on 03/11/2010:
Thank you Josie. I am usually called an employee of whatever company a review is about when the OP doesn't like my opinion. I am also usually called a consumer hater which I am not. I just see things from a business point of view, and in this as a frequent traveler, I always buy the travel insurance.
Airlines and cruise lines etc can not be held liable for the weather or natural disasters. That is all I am saying. :) Good luck to you.
PepperElf on 03/11/2010:
lady - it's funny you mentioned perishable goods.
from the military side of things, I know what its like when your cruise lasts longer than they planned and they start running low (or out) of things.
on my last ship we had days when the only thing available to drink on the mess decks was water... maybe coffee. cos they were out of soda, out of juice, out of juice mix, and the milk was spoiled. yum yum.
josielulu on 03/11/2010:
Here is Princess' reply to our plight:
Originally Posted by oimui
From: firstname.lastname@example.com [mailto:firstname.lastname@example.com]
Sent: Wednesday, March 03, 2010 1:08 PM
To: Kris Moone
Cc: Ron Wigand
Subject: Re: The Star Princess 14 Days South America - Cape Horn Cruises (URGENT)
Importance: High
Hi Kris,
I'm truly sorry that you are having to deal with this very unfortunate situation. The ripple effect of the Chilean disaster is both sad and far reaching and will not go away for some time to come.
From a business point of view, we place Princess Vacation Protection on every booking. Ultimately it is the decision of the client as to whether or not they wish to keep the coverage enforced or drop it. You are the consummate professional Kris and you clearly understand the benefits of investing in appropriate insurance coverage. We do the same for our automobiles, homes including ourselves. Nobody expects to get ill or worse. But when they do, insurance helps to pick up the pieces so we can move on.
Operationally Star Princess will depart on her new schedule tomorrow. We delayed her departure (at no cost to the guests) which impacted the itinerary and experience for everyone in order to provide a safe home for those that were unable to disembark Star Princess due to the immediate challenges caused by the earthquake.
To your specific group challenge, I placed a call to our Vice President of Customer Relations in order to get a clearer picture of where we are at. At this point I think it would be prudent to counsel your clients to begin the process of submitting their claims with whomever they made insurance coverage with including their own personal homeowners insurance providers.
In a business that celebrates people, customs and opportunities to learn from others while exploring places that most don't even think are imaginable, the impact of this natural disaster is the reality of what can and will happen when we venture beyond our own backyard. While I know that many of your clients are disappointed and heartbroken ... they are safe and with their loved ones. I hope that once this all settles down that your clients will continue to pursue their dream to visit South America and rebook with you. As Rick Steve's says ... "keep on traveling".
I remain at your service Kris. Please do not hesitate to call upon me if I can do anything humanly possible.
Warmest Regards,
Rick Schweizer
Kris Moone
ccRon Wigand
SubjectThe Star Princess 14 Days South America - Cape Horn Cruises (URGENT)
Connoisseur on 03/13/2010:
Why should you spring for "insurance" at cost to you if everything that went wrong is not your fault? The company is run by a bunch of greedy boors. The correct thing to do is to reschedule everyone at THEIR convenience. Period. Each customer should be informed that accommodations will be made for them as soon as everything is back to normal. To expect clients to show up come hell or high water regardless of the turmoil and the dangerous situation, is the epitomy of arrogance, lack of dignity and just plain damned greed. Gee no flights in?? can't make it?? too bad we are leaving anyway. No class. Just low class. Princess just lost this pending customer.
Anonymous on 03/14/2010:
Connoisseur, if you travel at all you already know that airlines and cruise lines, hotels and rental car agencies, do not give refunds due to weather or natural disasters. Travel insurance is FOR those things. The things that are not your fault and not the fault of the agencies or companies themselves.
If you don't travel, well, the first time you miss a flight due to disaster or weather you will wish you had insurance.
Joe the guy on 03/22/2010:
Philosophical view. If interested, read on. This type of problem is the state of being a consumer and dealing with manufacturers, retailers and service providers. Their usual comments "you are responsible" "that does not happen" or "too much time has expired since you purchased it" I will give two instances among many that I had to deal with. First, an Epson printer that was purchased from Epson and arrived broken. I waited beyond the 30 day period and therefore nothing could be done. Second, I purchased a can of Hunts Tomatoes and some of the tomatoes were rotten. I called Hunts and they sent me one coupon for a replacement can. So, we have to depend on "buyer beware" but, also we have to do all the work needed to bring about a correction to the problem. Where is the sown side for the seller in all of this. You make a purchase and if there is a problem and you catch them within the allotted time, they will simply give you a replacement. So why should the businesses be concerned about quality control?
Connoisseur on 03/26/2010:
LadyScot....I hear you but the logic is wrong.
If you cannot for whatever reason "render service" and you have NOT given that service, then you should RETURN the money or make good by rendering the service another time agreed upon. It is just simple integrity of decency not to take money for services not rendered........regardless of the cause.
You seem to miss this point lady. The fact that it is done and is institutionalized is the reason people like you have to buy at cost to you insurance for THEIR lack of decency. If everybody stood up like me and demanded integrity of service and refused to allow them to get away with taking money for services NOT RENDERED........they would go out of business, as they should. LACK of Ethics by businesses has consumers like you at their mercy. And you are right....I stay off of airlines, that are now nothing more than cattle-cars with perverts gropping and now oggling you before you can board....while the persons they should be oogling and grabbing are roaming free blowing up people, duh. I stay off of cruise lines that are nothing more than a floating germ/disease spreaders. I like my SUV and the clean B/B...and the beauty and wonder of the US country and her people. To hell with expensive rip of vacation companies. I have to go to a wedding overseas and I already dread the XXXXX airlines. Can't wait till the flying personal cars hit the market.
Anonymous on 03/27/2010:
Conn, it is not my point being missed. I do not make the rules. You buy insurance for your house or your car just in case something happens. By your own logic, it should not be necessary for you to take precautions against things out of your control because you can always get your money back or another car from the dealer, right?
It has nothing to do with decency or ethics. It has to do with business, the business of them selling you something that you have the option of insuring. Acts of nature do not qualify for refunds. Insurance does.
Connoisseur on 04/12/2010:
Lady Scott...You buy insurance for your house because you have to.....as long as the bank owns your house. Same with the car. After that you can drop insurance. (Except for the bare minimum on cars..because potentially it is a dangerous object to others.)
By your logic we should pay for services "not rendered." Who cares if is an act of God or some other failure.......if it is not the clients fault that the service cannot be rendered then the vendor should reimburse it is just that simple. It is the ethical and moral thing to do. I would never charge a client for services I did not render that I promised to do and it is not the clients fault that the service was not delivered. The notion that I should insure at my own expense just to make sure that in the event of not having the service rendered I can get some of my money back is, absurd. You don't render service? Give me my money back or I am coming after you with a vengeance. I don't like being screwed. I have never been on a cruise and will never go on one if the contract signs my rights away to the service I expect to get when I BUY SOMETHING. Sorry LadyS....but, nobody is getting over on me, I work for my money. Hey, each to their own.
Classy Cruiser on 08/29/2010:
The cruise line DID perform a service. They reserved rooms and space for all of these people who failed to make it to the trip. Princess cannot recoup the loss of the room just because the passenger didn't show up to the cruise. Why should they return revenue when they did not break the contract?
Trip Insurance is to cover cancellations that are not the fault of the cruise line. If you do not want to lose the investment you've made in spending a lot of money on the trip, you should always buy insurance. If the cruiseline were to offer that type of coverage as a standard service, then the price of your fare would go up. I'd rather it be MY option on whether or not I want to spend the money or take my chances. If you don't mind spending the extra money for that extra service, why didn't you just buy insurance to begin with?
Anonymous on 08/29/2010:
You know, I think its pretty sad the way princess is handling this. I mean cmon now, people! A freakin natrual disaster occurred! These people spent a HUGe amount of money on this cruise, and princess will not be the slightest sympathetic and at least provide these people with the cruise they're rightfully entitled to? That's a pretty rotten thing to do.
Anonymous on 08/29/2010:
You can throw the terms and conditions card at me all you want. Of course every company has their "fine" print for everythingm, basically making them ALL not responsible for ANYTHING even if they ARE respnsible. Its pretty pathetic if you ask me. I hope the OP contacted a lawyer and fighting with them over this. Despicable!
josielulu on 08/30/2010:
Does anyone know a good attorney?
karsykay on 07/03/2011:
Travel insurance is always a good idea. This is a problem when people haven't been advised about such, ergo, internet vacation bookings. Until you're a seasoned traveller, a travel agent can educate and guide you through tricky bookings and what-if's.
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Crown Princess Cruise
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FORT LAUDERDALE, FLORIDA -- First I would like to state that it was difficult for me to categorize this as either a compliment or complaint, and that's why I'll call it informative. I also would like to state that I can't help but compare this to previous cruises I've been on.
My husband and I cruised (7 day eastern Caribbean) on Crown Princess, leaving Port Everglades on 04/12/09.
Embarkation was like a cattle call, crowded and disorganized, but I'm sure that had more to do with the port than the cruise line. Once we were on the ship though, things went a little more smoothly.
Our cabin (Riviera deck 14, balcony stateroom) was already ready. That was very nice. All of my previous cruises, with Carnival, I had to tote around my carryon for several hours until it was ready.
Our stateroom was smaller than we were used to, as was the bathroom. The balcony was adequate, and we loved our location. Several decks below us, the balconies 'jutted' out, leaving some of our fellow passengers with no privacy, as we could see their entire balcony from above.
The buffet food was fantastic, the dining room food was even better. There was always a huge selection. Sometimes there were specialty venues, including a sushi/Japanese buffet one day, and a pub style fish and chips in one of the lounges another.
Overall, the food was far better on Princess than any Carnival cruise I've ever been on.
We opted for Anytime Dining for dinner, instead of the traditional. The nice thing about this was, instead of having to be there at a set time, we could make reservations (which we did), or just show up at one of two anytime dining rooms.
For the formal lobster dinner, we made reservations and were informed that there were no 2 person tables left, so we elected to dine with 4 other people. Not only was our company pleasant, but the dining staff were very attentive and a joy to deal with.
Some overall observations:
Children - Few small children were there, and the ones we encountered were well behaved.
Fellow passengers - Most of the passengers were more mature, and pretty much everyone we met were friendlier than we were used to.
Crew - Although our room steward and one of the bartenders were great (they always greeted us by name and knew our preferences after the first day), the majority of the crew appeared unfriendly and unhelpful. With Carnival, I always knew I could ask any crewmember for help, but on this cruise, good luck if you can find any of them to be pleasant. Most seemed annoyed if approached.
Disembarkation - We opted to self-disembark, meaning that we meet at a preset time and take all of our own luggage off of the ship. That didn't happen. We were at our meeting place with our luggage, when we were supposed to be.
There were no crew members to direct anything, so everyone pretty much made up their own rules. We waited an hour, standing in a hallway to get off of the ship. Very disorganized, overall.
Some wonderful things - Princess Cays, Princess' private island. We brought our own snorkeling gear, picked out a couple of lounge chairs and had a blast (stay away from the ship's beach bbq, it's not worth it). Tons of fish to look at, at your own leisure. We paid for a snorkeling excursion off of Grand Turk (Gibb's Cay), and had a great time snorkeling with stingrays (some of them were 4 1/2 ft in diameter!). A couple of sharks showed up to the party, too.
In short, I'd probably cruise with Princess again, if I got a really good deal. Other than that, I'd prefer to either try a different cruise line, or wait for my favorite ship to change itineraries and book with her.
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Anonymous on 04/20/2009:
A couple of more informatives:
Our favorite pool was located on our deck, aft, and it was for adults only. That was strictly enforced.
This ship also had M.U.T.S., aka Movies Under the Stars. There was a huge screen on the deck above us, where you could watch first run movies in the evening. This included free popcorn, and blankets were provided. We liked the padded lounge chairs, and the first day we watched some of Wall-E, while splashing around in the pool :).
Anonymous on 04/20/2009:
Holy shamoly,Its been a week already? Time flies
Anonymous on 04/20/2009:
Miss M, you're leaving out important details. Were there any hot staff members or other hot male passengers on the cruise?
Anonymous on 04/20/2009:
The 2 caribbean reef sharks we snorkeled with were pretty *hot*..LOL! You wouldn't believe how many people freaked and immediately got out of the water. IMHO, they weren't even interested in us, and my husband got some underwater video of them.
Anonymous on 04/20/2009:
watching Wall-E under the stars sounds awesome...
Principissa on 04/20/2009:
That sounds like a blast! Aside from the snooty crew, I really hope you guys had a great time! And those movies under the stars, I would love that. That sounds like an awesome time! I'm glad the sharks didn't freak you out, although I can totally understand why someone would freak at the sight of a shark. :)
Anonymous on 04/20/2009:
Sorry, little, the answer is no. I did meet some very nice people, though.
BokiBean on 04/20/2009:
Actually it sounds like heaven for those of us who were still on shore! Glad you're back. Good review!
Anonymous on 04/20/2009:
MissMarple -- This was pure pleasure to read. Outstanding review!!!
Anonymous on 04/20/2009:
Princi, the last night of our cruise, there was an entire reserved area (best viewing spot, of course) for kids that were registered, to watch Madagascar 2.
I thought that was kind of cool. I'd bet they had a blast.
DebtorBasher on 04/20/2009:
Good review...now the question is...WHY DID YOU LEAVE WITHOUT JOHN AND ME???
Anonymous on 04/20/2009:
Hey, now, DB. You weren't at the meeting spot!
Principissa on 04/20/2009:
I'm sure they did. I am really happy about the adults only pool. Hubby and I want to go on a cruise, but we've always been a little put off by the fact that some cruise lines don't have adults only pools and things like that. If I'm going on vacation without my own kids, I don't want to have to deal with other people's kids. Not that it would ruin our vacation, it would just annoy us.
DebtorBasher on 04/20/2009:
Yes I was. You gave me the wrong spot on purpose!
Anonymous on 04/20/2009:
Nice review, Miss M. Glad you had a good time. The snorkling sounded like fun. Thanks for filling us in on all the details, good and not so good :)
BokiBean on 04/20/2009:
Princi, you kind of read my mind. I wonder if there are adults only cruises that don't involve ball gags and leather...
Principissa on 04/20/2009:
LOL Boki! I just think it would be nice to go on an adult's only cruise and not have to worry about screaming kids, and whining and crying.
Anonymous on 04/20/2009:
MM, we were on the Sun Princess a few years ago. Princess does a pretty good job for the prices they charge. (VH)
BokiBean on 04/20/2009:
Amen, Princi. Parents deserve a little down time! Cancel that, parents deserve a LOT of down time!
Anonymous on 04/20/2009:
Princi, a few years back, I remember hearing something about Disney offering an adults only cruise. I'm still waiting on that! Such beautiful ships..
Anonymous on 04/20/2009:
My friend went on the Disney cruise. She has no kids and she said that she barely saw the other kids. They keep the kids pretty well occupied.
Slimjim on 04/20/2009:
Thanks for the feedback. What were your impressions of the ship compared to a large Carnival?
I just remembered Princess has those bridge cams you can see online. You could have gotten online and told us where you were and we could have seen it real time on their site. Kind of like bring us along. Wouldn't that have been special.
Anonymous on 04/20/2009:
Slimjim, I watched those bridge cams for 3 weeks before sailing. Unfortunately, this is the last week Crown Princess is in the Eastern Caribbean.
Here she is right now! I was there!
Slimjim on 04/20/2009:
At the private island today I see. Just like RC's in Haiti, they have to tender you in.
Anonymous on 04/23/2009:
For anyone interested, I've posted a slideshow on my blog..
Anonymous on 04/23/2009:
Very cool slide show, were all so jealous now!
MRM on 04/23/2009:
Awesome trip you have just took, MissMarple!
ejack053824 on 04/23/2009:
How were the bathrooms?
Anonymous on 04/23/2009:
I always wondered why a ship had a poop deck. Great slideshow MM.
Anonymous on 04/23/2009:
EJ -- the bathrooms were very small..
Anonymous on 04/23/2009:
Thanks to everyone who liked the slideshow -- I still have some pics to develop.
Already planning cruise #5 (talk about an addiction..LOL).
ejack053824 on 04/23/2009:
Geez..that wouldn't work for me. All I have to do is drop one stink pickle and the entire ship would be abandoned!
Anonymous on 04/23/2009:
EJ - you could always wait until you are in port, and potty in the surf. j/k
frhrwa on 04/28/2009:
Well, let me tell you, if you cruise MSC Lirica, you'll appreciate ALL the other cruise lines.. We went twice this year on the Lirica.. Rude, the people working that ship no how to spell it perfectly fine. I have never been on such a rude ship.. Ammenities, NONE.. ice cream, you buy! If your in the line to get something to eat at 8pm, they cover it and take it away right in front of you. Drinks like coffee, tea, juice.. same thing! They will dump it while you stand there with your cup.. and don't plan on coffee before the opening time in the morning.. its NOT available.. Rooms, the smallest I've ever been in, the shower is so small, if your half big, don't try to turn around in it.. the shower curtain sticks to you and the handle on the wall will catch your elbow.. We went on this ship the first of the year, said "no way would we ever go back on it".. but, we had paid for a Panama City/canal trip for April.. and had talked friends into going also, come to find out, it was the same ship! Couldn't back out and leave our friends to suffer, hoped the comment forms filled out by ALL of the earlier cruise participants had done some good.. NOT.. Now we know.. and that's it.. Norwegian just moved way up the scale after sailing the MSC cruise line.. oh, Costa Maya is one port visited, its a hurricane beach wiped out a few years ago.. Nothing there! Costa Rica (Puerto Limon), beautiful area, would go there again, on another cruise line.. Panama City/canal, GREAT! Well worth it! But be ready for the ride of your life if you go on a bus tour. Cartagena, Columbia.. quite interesting, great tour of the city.. picture place for sure... Dominican Republic, DON'T waste your time.. absolutely worthless!
BokiBean on 04/28/2009:
Wow, frhrwa a lot of great info in your comment, very helpful!
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Princess Cruise Nightmare
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HOUSTON, TEXAS -- December 14, 2013 we were to sail on Princess out of Houston, TX. The ship was several hours late in docking and disembarking the passengers from the previous week due to fog. This is very important to note because it shows that they had prior warning to upcoming issues. After boarding several hours sate our cabins were fine. The carpet was stained and the balcony walls were broken but all in all everything was OK. I had purchased a soft drink plus package when I booked and requested robes be in our room. Neither was available upon embarkation. It was the second night before our robes showed up and the second day before my drink sticker. Paying per day meant I was cheated a day of drinks. The food was fine and very plentiful. Our room steward was the worst we have ever had but we didn't care. Our real problem was docking to disembark. As with the cruise before us it was foggy in Houston and the day before we were to dock the captain came on over the intercom and announced the Port of Houston was closed due to fog and would be closed for 24 hours and everyone was to change their plans for going home because we wouldn't be disembarking until Sunday. Everyone changes their travel arrangements that night. Next morning the Captain announces we are docking after all. Then SEVERAL hours later he announces that we will be disembarking. Until that point crew and all thought we would be staying on the ship. So now everyone has changed their travel home and now has to plan on an extra hotel night in Houston.
Disembarkation was a nightmare. As I stated earlier they had an entire week to plan how to disembark when the schedule had been changed but they had made no arrangements. The captain came on and suggested everyone who could carry their own luggage off do so and we all became walk-offs. As we docked everyone went down to disembark and stood in line for hours as they tried to call groups. The captain then comes on and tells everyone to wait in their cabins until their group is called. Only problem was no one could get back to their cabin if they had wanted to the halls were so packed. After hours of nothing working they finally decided to allow everyone off that was in line. Never again will I sail Princess
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NEW YORK, NEW YORK -- The Pinnacle of our 50th anniversary cruise/tour was supposed to be the Kantshna Experience. Here's our experience.
Customer Relations
Dear Sirs:
This complaint is in reference to a cruise/tour taken on May 31,2010 from Vancouver, B. C. (booking # 2KWP3L) on the Island Princess which included a 7-day land portion from Whittier to Copper River to Denali, Mt Mckinley and finally Anchorage. Several optional tours at different destinations were also booked in early March of this year.
One of these was Kantishna Experience at Denali for June 10th. As a photographer this was possibly an opportunity of a lifetime. Although our tour was paid and confirmed on March 12th we received a note on June 9th stating that this tour had been canceled and instead you booked us on the Tundra Wilderness tour. No valid reasons for this switch have ever been forthcoming. In all likelihood I may never travel to Alaska again and have missed my window of opportunity and severely tempered our 50th wedding anniversary celebration. In preparation for this tour I initially booked with the Park Service prior to March 12th to be sure of its availability. Subsequently I was assured by your agents that it could be included through Princess and was persuaded to cancel my Park Service reservations (4 persons). The fees to Princess were paid up front and the Kantishna Experience was supposedly guaranteed. Your $25/person apology amount (good on Princess only) was an insult.
To further exacerbate things the Tundra Wilderness tour was rushed at the request of two persons who had another tour scheduled at 1:30pm. This was grossly unfair to the other 49 passengers on this tour. There was very little stopping for photo ops as advertised. Iâm sure you must have had numerous complaints about this as well. They were all justified.
My second complaint is with your computer registration system. I spent considerable time and effort pre-registering our credit cards as suggested to speed up the embarkation process for the four persons in my party. I was very rudely informed at embarkation that this credit approval had to be done again. Apparently what gets entered in your computer stays there and not disseminated to the proper places.
At McKinley lodge we found the grille inexplicably closed until 2pm. Since our bus for Anchorage departed at 2pm that left only the main dining room to find a meal and it didnât open until noon. Fortunately they were kind enough to seat us early and we were able to eat comfortably before leaving at 2pm. There were others not quite so lucky Iâm afraid.
Traveling with Princess again is not in our plans.
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raven2010 on 07/04/2010:
Every single cruise line has disclaimers regarding excursions. They cannot 110% guarantee each excursion will take place.
There are a myriad of reasons the excursion could have been canceled. Whether or not you feel the reason is "valid" is not relevant, as you agreed to the terms when you booked/paid.
yes, it sucks, but thatis just the way cruising goes.
MaggieMcT on 07/04/2010:
I can understand you being disappointed. But to let something like this "severely temper" your 50th wedding anniversary?
a/k/a Sarah on 07/27/2013:
Hi! My husband and I just celebrated our 22nd anniversary with a cruise/tour of Alaska. Loved it! We too cruised on Princes and went to Kantishna, but did everything on land on our own: rented a car, booked our excursions,...and we are glad we did. First of all, it is hard to predict what the weather will be, and did not want to be committed to a planned excursion, when we could be flexible and change our plans if weather was better for something else. Our UNPLANNED Kantishna experience was overall fantastic, but I will share some of the downside, but we really did LOVE the whole thing the way it turned out. I too, would have been bummed if I had planned to go all the way and only got to go as far as Eielson Visitor Center. But honestly, you really didn't miss much but getting bit by a ZILLION mosquitoes at Kantishna. My husband and I paid to go to Eielson Visitor Center, and hurried inside to the dispatcher at Eielson to see if we could go to Wonder Lake. Then I thought, shoot, if we are going to Wonder Lake, we might as well go all the way. Meanwhile, my husband wanted to turn around at Eielson because he didn't really enjoy the bouncy, dusty bus ride, and we had been told that we would only see a few ducks between Eielson and Kantishna. Yes, we saw Fanny house, (you can Google pictures) http://www.google.com/imgres?imgurl=http://www.wildnatureimages.com/images%202/C6CT6643..jpg and imgrefurl=http://www.wildnatureimages.com/Alaska_Airline_Magazine.htm and h=399 and w=600 and sz=98 and tbnid=KphqX8IlJ4GkYM: and tbnh=90 and tbnw=135 and zoom=1 and usg=__3l-fDnXmVXW2KcPUsqQdu9ZDUY4= and docid=HL9bL1pJrn2ypM and sa=X and ei=uxLzUfohwpvKAYTWgcAE and ved=0CDQQ9QEwAQ and dur=237, the dispatcher said there was a bus leaving in one minute heading to Kantishna. So I booked it. We jumped on our old bus, grabbed our backpacks, and headed to the Shuttle Bus to Kantishna. Really, the only thing we saw different was 2 sets of ducks in two different small ponds. No other wildlife... unless you consider mosquitoes wildlife, then we saw the ABSOLUTE MOST MOSQUITOES EVER!!!! at Kantishna. They were everywhere, and zoomed into the bus as soon as the door opened and if anyone opened their windows even for a second to take a photo. The bus driver announced that we could fly back to the entrance of the park in 35 minutes with Kantishna Air and pointed out the gravel airstrip. My husband was not a happy camper, so I got off and asked if they were flying that day (it was overcast). The girl said yes, and asked how many. I said 2. She said they only fly with 3. So I hopped back on the bus and asked if there was anyone else who wanted to fly $225 one way. No takers. She said to check at the office and maybe they can work something out. In luck. The guy said they had room for 2, but we had to split up. They had 2 planes leaving at 3pm and landing at the entrance to the park at the same time. One on one plane, and one on the other. He also said it was not going to be a majestic scenic mountain flight because of the clouds. I asked if we could get a discount, and he agreed to a small discount which we were happy to accept. I hopped on the bus, said to my husband, "If you die honey, I'm going to miss you
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Beware of Princess "Vouchers"
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Some time back, I had called Princess for info on Alaskan Cruises. I was told that an info package and DVD would be under way soon.
About three months later, I finally received that package, along with a letter of apology from some senior official for the delay. As a way to make amends, it was stated in that letter that I would get an on board credit of 50$ on any Princess cruise upon presentation of that letter to the client services desk.
In the meantime, I had already booked a Panama Canal cruise, so I brought the letter along on that cruise. When I presented the letter to customer service, no one knew what to do with it. A supervisor told me that they would have to fax it to Head Office for approval, and they would get an answer on the next day. Well, I returned to the desk for the next 4 days without getting an answer and the first thing I knew, the cruise was almost over.
Once at home, I returned the letter (addressed to the President of Princess cruises) expressing my dissatisfaction and the frustration of having to get down on my knees so that customer service aboard a ship will honor amends offered by their own head office.
A few days later, some guy from customer relations called me and gave me a couple of stupid excuses for the incident and apologized for the inconvenience and offered me, guess what? A 50$ voucher applicable on a future cruise. Here we go again, I said. I'll fight like crazy to have it honored, etc... So I told him to keep the voucher, they seem to need it more than I do.
Now that was a little time back.
This week, I took a 3 day cruise aboard the Ruby Princess. On sailing day, I filled in a ticket for a draw. Next day, there was an envelope addressed to me and slipped under my door saying that I was one of the winners. The voucher clearly said that I had won "a 75$ massage" at the Lotus Spa. I showed up there with my voucher. The first attendant had never seen a spa voucher. Her co-worker studied it for a few seconds, and said "we do not offer 75$ massages here. This is a credit for 75$ for any massage in this list". (Prices ranged from 119$ up).
My argument was that the voucher clearly stated for a massage and that the word credit was not to be found. Her argument was that her system allowed no flexibility on rates.
I asked "did I Win a prize or did I Win the right to give you money?"
I was told Customer Service could answer that question. Ouch. Forget it.
Princess is not a bad cruise line, but sometimes they give me the impression that they are in the "bait and tackle" business.
From now on, any voucher coming from them may go straight to my shredder.
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Anonymous on 12/18/2009:
Those need to be applied at the time of booking, not after you're already confirmed. Only reservation agents know how to handle those vouchers, not the ship personnel.
Dan57 on 12/18/2009:
I had received that 50$ onboard credit long AFTER I had booked that Panama Cruise. It was written in black ink on white paper to present it to client services.
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Princess does not refund money for a VERY LONG TIME!
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On our return home from 107 day World cruise, Princess made a mistake by canceling our return flight tickets from Rome to Newark, purchased as a package deal through Princess. At the airport check-in 2 hours prior to our flight departure we were told by the airline clerk that our tickets were refunded (no idea to whom!) almost 2 months ago (while we were cruising). Yet, before leaving our ship we double checked with the front office and were assured that our transfers and flights are confirmed.
Princess representative at the airport contacted the company, admitted to us Princess' mistake and assisted in purchasing tickets on next available flight home. Luckily for us, two seats were available. We were left with no choice, but to pay close to $2,000.00 for two coach tickets with our credit card and were assured by Princess' representative that Princess will reimburse us a. s.a. p.
It has been 2 months. Without going into all the details about what we had to mail, to fax, how many times we had to call, how many times we heard "we apologize for the inconvenience", etc., we still did not get our refund.
Another issue: While on the ship, we booked tours at the very beginning of 107 days and were charged and billed right away. Later we found out that this was not the case with other passengers. They were charged for tour(s) on each cruise segment. When we were canceling most of the tours, there was no credit on our shipboard account until the very end of the cruise. It took Princess another month to credit our credit card. When we asked why the charge goes to credit card right away and credit ONLY AT THE END OF THE CRUISE, we were told that this is Princess' policy. What a policy! We canceled close to $3,000.00 worth of tours. Princess was using our money for 3 months + one month, now they are using again our money for another 2 months.
Next time we will think twice before booking a cruise with Princess.
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Soaring Consumer on 07/02/2009:
I suggest contacting their higher ups to see where that leads you:
They need to refund you. Right away.
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I recently did a cruise with Princess for 7 seven days to Mexico. Of course the Mexico part of the cruise was canceled due to the swine flu. Chaos and mass dissatisfaction ensued.300 people left the ship.
Overall a pleasant cruise, but there are major deficiencies in the way Princess carries out business and the actual cruise environment. The service by the largely Phillipino crew was
excellent. The entertainment was excellent.
1) The ship has almost nowhere for non-smokers to sit. All over the boat, the waft of foul cigarette smoke is on the air. For this reason alone, I will not cruise with them again.
2) The food, although fair, has gone down in quality since I last sailed, especially the breakfasts and the dessert menus. The desserts are bland and uninteresting, smacking of
mass-production. The coffee is horrible and cheap, especially in the Horizon.
3) The Horizon 24 hour restaurant is chaotic: it is much too small & crowded, with few sea view seats, and long lines. A definite negative.
4) There were drunks and loud people all over the place. Princess should limit the amount of drinks served per person per day. Yells and foul language was heard all over the ship.
5) The cabins are thin-walled, and you can hear your neighbor clearly. I was woken up repeatedly by noisy neighbors. The passengers across the hall from me were continually drunk, yelling & calling 911.
6) The cabins are OK, but stained carpets and duvets were seen.
I also don't like the idea of the duvet (one sheet per week - yuck!). Also two comfy chairs would be nice. The beds were uncomfortable, as were the pillows.
7) One of the worst aspects on the voyage was the constant selling of stuff by princess: art, photographs, coffee, Visa credit cards, special deals; you name it. This was most irritating.
8) I hate the new deal of charging a 15% daily service fee. I prefer to tip my stewards personally. That way I am sure they they get what they deserve. This is simply Princess's way of
increasing their profits, and their over-worked staff get nothing.
9) There was no menu change between restaurants, except Sabatinis, and you could not get in here, unless you booked the first day on board.
10) The Purser's desk was poorly run, with always a long line. Several issues came up, and I did not have the time to stay in line for half an hour. They claimed to be short-staffed. I have still not received my credit for canceled shore excursions.
11) One last thing: the excursions are too expensive. Buy them ashore, and you can pay 20% less. These excursions are never fully detailed anywhere, and taking one is a shot in the dark.
12) The luggage is handled extremely roughly. My new suitcase received substantial damage during embarkation. Insurance Claim pending.
I think I will stick to Celebrity & Crystal in future, despite the cost.
Pluses are: a very new clean ship, nice crew, reasonable prices in the bar, and the good entertainment. With some tweaking,
Princess could be king again.
Try another Cruise Line (but not Cunard or Carnival or NCL)
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FORT LAUDERDALE, FL -- Earlier this month my wife and I sailed aboard the Coral Princess on an 11 day Panama Canal cruise. This posting is not to review the cruise but to inform everyone of something that happened that all should be aware of.
Most of you probably know that all cruise ships now have a cellphone tower aboard ship and when that equipment is turned on a cellphone network is established on board the ship. If you have a cellphone and it is turned on and not in Airplane Mode, it connects to the onboard network. The network is connected to the satellite network and calls made or received are billed to you at $2.49 a minute. They are SUPPOSED to turn that equipment on only after moving a mile off shore.
We returned from the cruise on Sunday, January 19 and as we were walking off the ship I turned my cellphone on. When it booted I got the message "Connected to Coral Princess Network". WHAT? We were docked in Fort Lauderdale and the ship was still trying to collect $2.49 a minute from me? Either someone was grossly incompetent and forgot to turn the equipment off or Princess is dishonest and was trying to "extract" more money from unsuspecting guests. I will give Princess the benefit of the doubt and assume it was simply an error on the part of the staff member responsible but anyone who thought they were back home and could make phone calls will probably be surprised when they get this month's phone bill.
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Shaun on 01/30/2014:
Really good point. People need to be aware of this fact.
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I thought it would be so easy... it's not.
Can anyone help me blend a photo with a backgound paper???
I thought it would be so easy... it's not.
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Hi Mary, what program are you using? You can use the pattern stamp tool with a soft brush in Photoshop to accomplish this fairly easily. I don't know if PS elements has a pattern stamp tool, but I will help you figure it out if you let me know. :)
I use PSE 5.0 and the method is also fairly easy.
There is a great tut on here my ABitDaffy, but I can't remember where I saw it... I think it's in the Oct. QOTC threads...
A quick easy way is to select your photo (marching ants) set feathering to 200 and click inverse, then delete. Lower the opacity on your photo a bit and then use a soft eraser to get rid of any edges...
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great tips...I think this is one of the things where everyone has it own methods.
I usually play with the oppacity to get the effect I want.
Another method is to just use the overlay blending mode. Make sure your photo layer is over the background layer though. Don't know if this works with other programs, but it does with Photoshop I know.
Mary, here the tut I wrote:
It's for Paint Shop Pro, but it should translate fairly easily to Elements....it talks about 3 different ways to do it - Feathering, Blending (Opacity), and Masks (I don't know about Masks in Elements), but the first two should work almost the same way in PSE.
If you need help, let me know, I've got PSE 4.0 on my box, too (I do walk on the wild side occasionally and venture in the world of Adobe )
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this sounds like something that I might be able to handle...I will have to give it a try after the holidays
I am so sorry I forgot to mention I use PSCS2.
I tried an overlay and the picture faded too much, so I know I am doing it all wrong.
Thanks for all your help.
Daffy, I am off to check out your tuts.
Andrea, can't wait to hear from you about PS. I don't know what the pattern stamp tool is. I just found the gradient tool! lol
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You can play around with the feathering amount until you get it just the way you want. It is really very easy, once you understand what you doing.


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Wed 22 May 2013 7.30pm
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Valery Gergiev conducts Shostakovich and Berlioz in the new Mariinsky Concert Hall.
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IndyCar's 2012 Chassis: Lessons Learned from the Car of Tomorrow
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Fans of NASCAR spent years preparing for the "Car of Tomorrow." During the 2007 season, as NASCAR worked to integrate the "COT" and teams tested the new design, analysts would remind the viewers watching at home what changes were coming with the Car of Tomorrow. The supposed improvements did little to instill confidence in viewers as it was always in reference to whichever car was in last place, struggling to keep up with the field, or out of commission before the final lap.
In February 2008, the Pittsburgh Tribune recorded video of the Car of Tomorrow chassis as presented by a NASCAR tech inspector. The inspector listed the benefits of the new chassis as safety and less costly. Safety meaning that the wider, taller design was created to make it easier to pull drivers out of the car in the case of a severe accident and keeping costs down not just from less-costly frame rails, but by requiring the rails to stay within 1/4 inch of NASCAR's regulations. In other words, keeping teams on a level playing field.
NASCAR's intention was to improve performance and competition with the Car of Tomorrow, but fan reviews state otherwise. So in July, when Randy Bernard announced new engine regulations and a new chassis design, who could blame race fans for airing concern that the changes would have the opposite effect intended? Fortunately, the impact was crystal clear- that rather than move the IZOD IndyCar Series closer to a spec series, we were moving even further away. The changes emphasize the value of competition and collaboration as the direct sources of innovation. Similar to NASCAR's Car of Tomorrow, the new chassis, produced by Dallara, will reduce costs for teams. It is also designed to be lighter and safer than the current chassis.
But then came the engine manufacturers. Helping to fuel the competition and joining Honda in 2012 will be Lotus and Chevrolet. Most exciting? Each of these engine suppliers not only represent a different continent, but they also bring unique memories from racing history along with their names.
And don't forget about the aero kits. Teams will be able to personalize the product they place on the track with custom aero kits produced by Lotus, Chevrolet, and Dallara. The diversity in these kits will help avoid a situation similar to NASCAR's announcement in early 2010 that spoilers would be reintroduced to their cars to help improve races and, admittedly, return to a more-comfortable look on the cars.
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Felipe Massa believes the revised Pirelli tyres have proven to be safer than their predecessors after a three-day test at Silverstone.
Ten of the 11 Formula One teams were in action at the British track this past week where they spent three days putting the revised Pirelli tyres through their paces.
The new tyres feature this year's compounds but last year's construction with none of the drivers suffering any tyre delaminations.
And as Silverstone was the track where several suffered blow-outs during June's grand prix, including Massa, the Ferrari driver is much happier with the new tyres.
"It seems to me these tyres work better, at least compared to what we saw in the race here," he said. "Over the three days, no one had any problems and from the safety aspect, this is the most important thing."
But while the Brazilian has no concerns about the tyres delaminating, he is worried that the hard compound will only work in very hot conditions.
"The prototype Hard seemed maybe too hard to race on. I think that in the coming grands prix we could head towards a choice of the softer compounds, because they can work at lower temperatures and last longer.
"Temperature has a significant effect on our car and here for the race for example, it did not help us, but let's see what happens in Hungary, where we can expect hotter conditions. You need a lot of aerodynamic downforce there and let's hope we can find the right solutions to be competitive."
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MORRISSEY: Bears can take credit for 49ers QB Colin Kaepernick
BY RICK MORRISSEY email@example.com January 30, 2013 1:07AM
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NEW ORLEANS — We made Colin Kaepernick.
By "we,'' I'm referring to Chicago, but what I really mean is "that sad excuse for a Bears team.''
Come to think of it, let's leave us out of this.
But we can't, of course. Kaepernick made his first NFL start against the Bears in November, lit them up in a 32-7 San Francisco victory and now, nine starts later, is basking in the klieg lights of the Super Bowl.
Throw in the fact that he turned down the chance to sign with the Cubs, and you can see two things: He's clearly very smart, and we really are inextricably linked with the guy. Or, to put it another way, he's the closest we're going to get to this Super Bowl, so we'd be stupid not to adopt him.
Colin Kaepernick: Chicago's very own.
Oh, and one more connection: The lead paragraph of my column after he cut the Bears' defense to ribbons was, "The Bears got Kaepernicked.'' Last week, Kaepernick filed to trademark "Kaepernicking,'' his signature celebration of pretending to kiss his biceps after a big play. Coincidence? I don't think so. So he and I are a team: He'll make money off of it, and I'll watch him make money off of it.
But back to the Bears, who can take credit for starting him on a path that brought him to Tuesday and the annual circus known as Media Day. In that Monday night game, he completed 16 of 23 passes for 243 yards and two touchdowns. He had a season-high 133.1 passer rating.
"It's always great to get a win, especially your first start,'' he said to a mob of reporters Tuesday. "It was a big stage, and that always helps.''
Kaepernick is not the most introspective person, and that might have helped him get through being at the center of a national controversy. It erupted two weeks after the Bears game, when coach Jim Harbaugh decided to keep a second-year pro in the starting lineup even though the veteran quarterback, Alex Smith, had returned from a concussion.
The Bears game sticks out for many of the 49ers.
"He came into the huddle and said, 'We're going right now. Let's do this,' '' tackle Alex Boone said. "The first play. And I think everyone was like, 'OK, let's do it. Let's go.' No questions asked. He went out and had a phenomenal game, and he's been taking steps every week.''
The reason there wasn't more turmoil inside the 49ers' locker room had to do with eyesight. The players had seen Kaepernick practice every day. Few of them might have liked the idea of a starter losing his job because of injury, but there was no denying the kid's abilities.
"I was more excited for him to get a chance to show what he could do,'' fullback Bruce Miller said. "I know around our facility guys knew what he could do and were confident in his ability to make plays for us.''
"What he's doing now is not surprising to us,'' running back Frank Gore said.
As I said, Kaepernick doesn't appear to be someone who dwells on things, and that's good. The world is littered with athletes who dwelled too much on too many matters.
Listen to what Kaepernick said about the thought of playing in the Super Bowl with very little experience under his belt:
"Just because you're in a situation you haven't been in before doesn't mean you have to feel pressure from it."
There's something almost calming in that statement, isn't there? At a minimum, it's very wise coming from a 25-year-old.
Not so long ago, he was a fairly obscure 24-year-old. Then, one day, Harbaugh tapped him on the shoulder.
"Three months ago, I could go anywhere," he said. "Now it's a little harder.''
Blame the Bears, kid.
His favorite tattoo reads, "My gift is my curse.''
What does it mean?
"There are a lot of great things about being an NFL QB, a lot of perks,'' he said. "At the same time, there are a lot of things you can't do as an NFL QB that you could do if you were just walking around if you had a normal job. I don't get to see my family on a regular basis. I don't get to go home for Thanksgiving. You have limited time.''
Again, blame the Bears, Colin.
Me? I thank them. They gave us Colin Kaepernick. He'll be playing football in February. He's all we have.


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Lewis M. King, 82, of Bryant, died Tuesday, October 9, 2012 at Swiss Village in Berne. He was born on January 21, 1930 in Jay County to Clarence and Vada (Judy) King. He was married August 21, 1959 to Betty Weaver Bryan.
Visitation is one hour prior to the 2 p.m. funeral service Saturday, October 13 at Swiss Village with Pastor Mark Strietelmeier presiding. Burial will be in the I.O.O.F. Cemetery in Pennville.
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1. C.J. Mosley LB Alabama
2. Jordan Matthews WR Vanderbilt
3. (comp) Philip Gaines CB Rice
4. Arthur Lynch TE Georgia
5. Ross Cockrell CB Duke
5. (comp) Derrick Hopkins DT Virginia Tech
6. Josh Mauro DE Stanford
6. (comp) Shaquil Barrett OLB Colorado State
7. Quincy Enunwa WR Nebraska
Well, it's easy to determine which draft was the best, 1974 and now we know exactly which draft was the worst, 2008.
1.15) Ryan Shazier - ILB/OLB
2.46) Stephon Tuitt - DE
3.97) Dri Archer - RB
4.118 ) Martavis Bryant - WR
5.157) Shaquille Richardson - CB
6.173) Wesley Johnson - OT
6.192) Jordan Zumwalt - ILB
7.215) Daniel McCullers - DT
7.230) Rob Blanchflower - TE
"Before you can win a game, you have to not lose it." -- Chuck Noll
Just more proof that you can't really evaluate a draft until a few years later. I remember, following that 2008 draft, how many of us thought the Steelers had done a tremendous job...
They are idiots. Their defense makes plays. I'll gladly give up some yardage rankings for some turnovers. Charles Woodson was supposed to be finished when Green Bay got him. Capers and the way he used him saved his career.and look how well Capers is doing ... Packer fans want to run him out of town on a rail.


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I currently have 3 cuties, Max, Thor and Tracy.
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There are four Honda RCV1000R bikes (originally dubbed the 'Production Racer') in the field this season. Two are run by Drive M7 Aspar, with Nicky Hayden and Hiroshi Aoyama at the helm, whereas others are piloted by GO&FUN Honda Gresini's Scott Redding and Cardion AB Motoracing's Karel Abraham.Drive M7 Aspar, GO&FUN Gresini Honda, Honda, MotoGP, Nicky Hayden


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