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Antique Oriental Rugs Center
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Green Valley Carpet Inc
(725) 222-4333
1331 S Boulder Hwy, Henderson, NV| Map
Where Quality Is Affordable. - Green Valley Carpet Inc has been your all-in-one carpet store for since 1988. We serve the Hende... More>
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Empire Today Carpets & Flooring
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Antique Oriental Rugs Center
(702) 251-5500
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(888) 579-5721
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North American Mat Company
(507) 889-2088
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IQI Carpet Cleaning & Maintenance
(702) 539-3817
With over 11 years of experience, IQI Carpet Cleaning and Maintenance, prides itself on providing... More>
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(702) 380-4246
For many years, Monty's upholstery, furniture refinishing and repairing has served the Las Vegas... More>
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(702) 307-9000
APGC has long been know as Nevada's Premier Environmental & Restoration Firm. We offer a wide va... More>
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Carpet Sharks
(702) 616-9347
Carpet Sharks is proud to have served the Henderson, Nevada, area for many years and we welcome t... More>
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Universal Carpet Care
(702) 220-9003
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Honest John's Carpet Cleaning
(800) 355-6982
In an industry were there are many companies looking to make a quick dollar, it is no wonder that... More>
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A thru Z Carpet Cleaning
(702) 233-9977
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All in One Services
(702) 656-1333
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A-1 Carpet Masters
(702) 259-6500
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(702) 489-8000
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Steamy Steemer
(702) 409-8637
Steamy Steemer serves the entire Las Vegas Valley and cleans Carpet and Upholstery for both Resid... More>
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Classic Floorcovering
(702) 353-5374
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1800 Get A Rug
(201) 933-4300
1800 Get A Rug is one of the pioneer importers and wholesalers of fine hand knotted oriental rugs... More>
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Guaranteed Affordable Carpet Cleaning
(702) 450-5050
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(206) 781-1400
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Clark County Carpet Cleaning
(702) 270-6767
315 E Paradise Hills Dr, Henderson, NV| Map
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Sears Home Services
(888) 891-0053
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Floor Source Pro
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(206) 781-1400
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Easy homemade pizza?
Sometimes when I come home after a really busy day, I crave a decent pizza. I generally have most of the ingredients in the pantry, except for the crust. Without going through the trouble of making pizza dough from scratch, is there a reasonable store bought alternative? I have seen Bobili crusts in the market, but have never tried one, and I think I have seen premade pizza dough in either (or perhaps both) the refrigerated or freezer sections of some supermarkets. Are any of these althernatives decent, or should I just phone for delivery pizza which I my area is not great?
>>in either (or perhaps both) the refrigerated or freezer sections of some supermarkets.
I've gotten both, and they were fine. An Italian deli had the dough frozen and a supermarket had them refrigerated. Posters have said that pizza places will sell their dough, although I've been too chicken to try.
I get two for a large cookie sheet sized Sicilian or my large round pizza pan. You don't want to be in a position where you have to stretch to fit. Oh, and don't forget the olive oil.
re: dolores
Years ago, someone told me about the neighborhood pizza joint selling dough, and now it's my standby for whenever I'm too busy to make my own. I've lived in 6 different cities and small towns since then, and I've only come across 2 places that wouldn't sell their dough, but not a single spot advertised that they did, so you definitely need to ask. My favorite place, in Carrboro, NC, not only sold their dough, but stretched it and put it on a disposable "pizza stone" for you, which worked surprisingly well in my own very hot oven. You can't beat that for $3!
I haven't done it but have been told Bertucci's will sell their dough. And, as dolores said, some local places do it, too, just ask. You can buy dough from Trader Joe's, white, whole wheat, basil something. I have done it in a long time but it was just okay. I'd pass on the Boboli if you're looking for pizza.
I don't know where you live, but Publix supermarkets sell pizza dough in their bakery department...fresh & refrigerated, not frozen. ALSO, there are some pizzerias that will sell you their fresh pizza dough..you just need to call them and ask if they sell fresh pizza dough to the public.
Personally, I think Bobili is disgusting and if you're going to try something like Pilsbury Pizza dough.... don't! I would suggest finding an Italian Deli/Grocery that sells their dough. Don't know where you live, but you can also by the premade dough at Trader Joes or Fresh and Easy.
i live in australia and we have some delicious wholemeal pita breads that are delicious topped with a bit of tomato paste cheese and vegetables in the oven but have you thought about nann bread topped with tomato cheese etc it is a delicious alternitive but not really authentic but delicious nonetheless.
re: umbushi plum
I know you say you don't want to make crust, but you might possibly reconsider if you had a super easy & quick recipe....just in case:
This recipe is from Vogue magazine, of all place (Feb 2005 issue.) It is super fast. Start it the moment you walk in the door, then while it's rising for 45 min you can do other things. Once it goes in the oven it's done in 10 minutes.
I could even eat this crust as flatbread, it's so delicious. I don't always make this with bufala mozzarella. I'll sometimes grate regular mozzarella (low-moisture part skim - the kind sold by Precious or Frigo in a ball) instead. You can experiment with sauceless (just cheese) or cheeseless - just sauce & toppings. No homemade pizza will turn out well unless you use a pizza stone. Also this recipe calls for 450 deg but I set my gas oven to 500 (as high as it'll go) and set the pizza stone on the floor of it.
1/4 c white wine
3/4 c warm water
1 pkt active dry yeast
1 T honey
1 tsp kosher salt
1 T extra-virgin olive oil
3 c all purpose flour
1 1/2 c tomato sauce
10 oz bufala mozzarella
To taste: sea salt, extra-virgin olive oil, fresh basil leaves
Serves 4.
1. Combine wine, water, and yeast in large bowl. Stir until dissolved. Add honey, salt, and olive oil. Mix thoroughly. Add 1 c flour and make a wet paste. Add remaining flour.
2. Knead dough on a lightly floured board for 2-3 mins.
3. Place dough in lightly oiled bowl and cover with towel. Let rise 45 min.
4. Form dough into 4 1/4" thick discs, 11" in diameter. Layer tomato sauce and mozzarella.
5. Bake at 450 on a pizza stone for 10-15 min, until dough is lightly browned.
6. Sprinkle with sea salt, olive oil, and basil to taste.
I see that the other chows disagree, but I LIKE Boboli thin crust for a quick meal. Can't get them where I am now, but would if available. If the delivered pizza in your area "is not great" then the dough they sell you (if they would do so) may not be great either. When in California, I used to make a quick pizza sauce with canned tomatoes in sauce, garlic, oregano, etc and top with whatever I had that appealed to me. Often this included grilled eggplant (done the day before when I was grilling something else), Italian sausage and mushrooms. I guess I am not a real Chowhound! ( Sobbing quietly, as I write.) Dee
If by extreme coincidence you live in the Boston area, Iggy's Breads makes an excellent very thin crust oblong pizza shell sold in Whole Foods. If you're not in the Boston area you can call them and they claim you can order over the phone at 617-491-7600
i just used one tonight for the first time for a puttanesca pizza I made and it was excellent. They also have a web site but it doesn't show this pizza shell yet... see: http://www.iggysbread.com/main.html
I like the refrigerated dough from Trader Joe's or Stop and Shop. The one from Stop and Shop comes frozen, but the store near me puts a few balls of it in the fridge section (where the cakes are) so they are pretty much risen by the time I get home. ($1 for TJ's and $2 for S&S)
I've also asked my favorite pizza place to sell me dough, and they gladly agreed. They charged more- about $3 a ball. When I bought the dough, they also offered their sauce and grated cheese.
Also, sometimes I get cheap and on a Sunday I make a few recipes of dough and freeze the balls in Ziplock bags. It's even cheaper than $1 from TJ's.
If you think in advance like I do, take out a ball of frozen dough in the morning and leave it in an oiled bowl covered with a towel. Sometimes I know I want pizza before I leave to work, but I'm not sure what I want on top. Thinking about the rising dough all day gives me a reason to come up with new toppings...
re: kpaumer
Bingo!! This makes the best!
re: kpaumer
Not pizza, but a pizza fix idea - English Muffin pizzas. We used to have them as a kid. My mother used to broil an entire box, forked apart of course. Then proceed as with pizza, a drizzle of olive oil, tomato sauce, mozzarella, and back in the broiler for a quick browning.
re: dolores
I love these! Recently bought a package of english muffins after not having them for awhile, and ate these all week! I even add sliced veggies to mine. I find putting the muffin halves in a toaster first works better for me.


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Grass-fed prime rib in Raleigh or nearby?
Last year Trader Joe's actually had a frozen grass-fed 3 or 4 rib roast in the freezer section. I would be surprised if they didn't carry it again this year but you should probably call them to find out if this fits your needs.
Nov 21, 2014Erika RollerGirl in Southeast
Captain J's Restaurant in Raleigh
Has anyone been recently? I read a post on Yelp which indicated that the chef left. Is there any truth to this and if so, does anyone know how the quality is lately?
We decided that we would head over there for Thanksgiving this year rather than do a traditional turkey type of meal and I just want to be sure we're making the right decision as we've always loved Captain J's in the past.
Nov 18, 2014Erika RollerGirl in Southeast
Trader Joe's YAY/MEH/NAY - November 2014 (Part II)
You're apparently my chocolate tasting twin. I agree with your post 100% on all fronts!
Nov 17, 2014Erika RollerGirl in Chains
Thanksgiving recommendations in the Raleigh area?
I'm not sure if anyone realizes or cares that this post was initially made in 2013 (it's helpful to others regardless of the date I imagine).
This year we're going much more casual by heading to Dean's Seafood in Cary for their Thanksgiving buffet. It looks to be a good time and we have been impressed with their Sunday brunch offerings so we decided to try out their Thanksgiving.
I do like the idea of One Restaurant in Chapel Hill for the future and will definitely keep that in mind for next year.
The Washington Duke Inn experience last year was good but the upper hand by far goes to Herons for their Thanksgiving buffet.
I will also agree with the poster who said that feeding children junk food is abominable and at $25/child I would insist my hypothetical child would eat from the main buffet personally. The thought that children aren't interested or able to eat normal adult food is a topic for another thread however I find it insulting for restaurants to dumb things down for kids.
Nov 06, 2014Erika RollerGirl in Southeast
Trader Joe's YAY/MEH/NAY - October 2014 [old]
Sorry to be the lone voice of dissent here but I tried the Turkey Cranberry Apple Sausages after reading this thread and was miserably disappointed. HUGE NAY for me as they tasted like week old hotdogs that had sat around while someone cooked Thanksgiving dinner near them. Way too much sage (and I love sage) not enough apple or cranberry and the texture was just like hotdogs. Blech. Not at all what I was expecting. You win some you lose some.
Oct 15, 2014Erika RollerGirl in Chains
Please tell me that's not a typo and that's the name of the actual restaurant! I'm at work so I can't dare to Google it for fear of getting fired, lol. If that's legit, that's the best restaurant name I've heard. I hope it's good otherwise it's a waste of a great name on a lousy place. :)
Oct 15, 2014Erika RollerGirl in Southeast
Trader Joe's YAY/MEH/NAY - October 2014 [old]
Nay - (new to me) Butternut Squash Risotto - mushy and a lousy excuse for risotto. I will not be buying this again.
Yay - Chimichurri Rice with Vegetable - (this is also new to me) and I think it's pretty decent. I'd probably buy this again in a pinch.
Oct 05, 2014Erika RollerGirl in Chains
Looking for Massaman Curry Paste (specifics) in RDU area
The oil is GMO soybean oil which is completely not acceptable on a true paleo diet. Google how soybean oil is made and you'll understand why it's about as far from natural and healthy as possible.
I second the making the paste yourself if you're concerned about ingredients or consider it part of the 80/20 or 90/10 rule and just suck it up considering there's not that much of it in there.
Sep 05, 2014Erika RollerGirl in Southeast
We went to The Pit last year for DTR RW and couldn't believe the deal we got - HUGE portions of regular menu items. It was a steal and it was fantastic. They must have realized that they were giving away the house because this year's menu is so bizarre it left us shaking our heads in disbelief, much like what I imagine the OP felt when they decided to post this thread. Why would a restaurant utilize this event for items that they would never ever have on their regular menu? It seems like this should be an teaser introduction to a place to make you want to go back for the full experience, not to try out a totally new concept.
That being said, we carefully scrutinized all of the menus on the site being offered this go 'round and decided that we would be better off going elsewhere and/or hitting up those spots when it wasn't the prix fixe option. Last year was fun - we went to Oro, Bolt, and The Pit that week and while we've gone back to The Pit since, the others didn't make enough of an impression to warrant return visits. They should want to wow you during this time so you make a point to return when it's not such a great deal, at least that's what I would want if I was running a restaurant.
Aug 15, 2014Erika RollerGirl in Southeast
I think it's unfortunate that those who had good recent experiences didn't feel like it was worth it to comment initially for whatever reason. One-sided threads are not useful or beneficial for any of us who depend on these boards to determine where our food dollars should be spent. No one should feel that their opinion is not worthy.
I'm glad the OP (and now others) had good meals there. I would certainly be more apt to try Irregardless again after hearing positive (recent!) reviews.
Aug 14, 2014Erika RollerGirl in Southeast
General Recommendations in Wake Forest, NC
Tropical Pickin Chicken is hit or miss so I'm hesitant to heartily recommend them anymore but I still think they're worth a try. I'll still go there I'm in the mood for Puerto Rican/Cuban food but be advised that it may not be everything you've ever dreamed of.
I'm also lukewarm on Main Street Grille's new Italian/Pizzeria that's on 98 heading toward Wakefield. I would tell you to try it but not to get your hopes up too high. I think the best part about Main Street Grille (the original one on Main St) are the pastries. The sandwiches are pretty good but the service is super slow and they've messed up my (simple) orders a few times.
I've never been to Over The Falls Deli before so I can't tell you anything about them.
For strip mall Chinese, Panda Garden next to Harris Teeter is actually very good and fast.
You might want to check out the barbecue place called Fire Pit Barbecue near the Lowes on Gateway Commons which I recall being pretty good (not just NC style bbq) but slightly pricey. There used to be a restaurant owned by George Bakatsias called Girasole next to them which I believe is being transitioned into a new concept (same ownership) called Farm Table which should be worth trying. I'm not sure on the time frame on that change as I just read about it recently. Girasole was solid but not mindblowing American sit-down cuisine.
Please report back on whereever you do end up. There are not nearly enough WF posts on this board!
Aug 08, 2014Erika RollerGirl in Southeast
I haven't been yet (there are too many places to try and not enough time or waistline room!) but I've heard that Fiction Kitchen is a wonderful option for vegetarians and non-vegetarians alike. Definitely something to consider.
I haven't been in a few years but have wanted to go again since they seem to have had a resurgence with a new chef in recent times. The prices now are extremely prohibitive to make it anything other than a special occasion outing for us however ($120+ prix fixe if I recall correctly?). The photos of the food they post on social media sites make it look incredible so I am very curious as to recent reviews. If you go, please post your thoughts!
+1 (Although we haven't been there in years, it was always merely passable and that was back in the days when Raleigh had no non-chain options, nowadays I can't see any reason to go there with so many excellent places to choose from.)
I've seen them at the Wake Forest Farmer's Market for something like $8/lb. and I've also seen them (not that recently however but then again I don't really hang around the cheese section much) at Trader Joe's. Both worth a try.
Jul 25, 2014Erika RollerGirl in Southeast
Thanks for taking one for the team and trying it out! I think we may wait a little while for the buzz to die down before we go out to Durham to try it based on your review.
You are correct btw that grass-fed steak cooks quicker - this is due to the lower fat nature of the meat. I prefer my steak rare and would have been miserable if I received a medium well steak (medium rare is okay though). It sounds like they may need a little while to work the kinks out (and for the children situation to mellow, if that's even possible.)
Jul 14, 2014Erika RollerGirl in Southeast
Angus Barn in Raleigh What to have and what to avoid
I haven't been there for many many moons (I was taken there for high school prom...as a vegetarian no less (!), so my opinion on their food cannot be stated) however I do know that one of my favorite pastured meat producers (Ray Family Farms out of Bunn, NC) recently started supplying pork to the Angus Barn. Even though they're a primary beef restaurant, I might consider ordering pork because of this if I went.
Jun 18, 2014Erika RollerGirl in Southeast
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I can't remember who served us last time however I want to say it was a woman so I'm not sure that your theory holds a lot of water. We've eaten there 3 or 4 times in the past 5 years and in the earlier days of our visits the food was out of this world however in the past year the food was mediocre to good, just not outstanding. The last time we were there it was about as good as any other Chinese restaurant around, which is to say, decent but not memorable. We have knocked it off our list to return to because with other better options around, why go for average?
Jun 01, 2014Erika RollerGirl in Southeast
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Good list however I would recommend Captain J's (weird name but fabulous authentic Chinese) over Super Wok after our last experience at Super Wok which was extremely underwhelming. Banana Leaf in Cary is also a solid Chinese choice to consider however.
May 31, 2014Erika RollerGirl in Southeast
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You're correct about Rise being hit or miss from our one experience there. We shared a few donuts and some were not so memorable (blueberry wonut in particular) but others went above and beyond (the banana pudding donut was incredible). I have not yet tried Monuts as I don't get out to Durham that often from Raleigh but I'd certainly be interested in a comparison!
May 30, 2014Erika RollerGirl in Southeast
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I hate to be the lone voice of dissent in here but I have to throw out there that we went and had a very underwhelming brunch at Harvest 18 two weeks ago. Not to say that it was bad but it was nothing special to go out of your way for. What was special however were the donuts we shared after from Rise (in the same shopping center). I can't stop thinking about those delightful pastries!
May 30, 2014Erika RollerGirl in Southeast
Raleigh: Anyone been to chicken and waffles off 440, Mr Wonderful's
The Yelp reviews are pretty darn frightening for this place. I know that people have varying opinions on Yelp but the fact of the matter is that you don't get mostly horrifying reviews when you're doing things right.
I hope for their sake that they read them and try to fix their service and other issues. I won't be spending my hard earned money there until I notice a turn around in the reviews, on any site.
May 01, 2014Erika RollerGirl in Southeast
New to Raleigh & Need Food Options
It most certainly still exists! http://midtownfarmers.com/
Apr 29, 2014Erika RollerGirl in Southeast
New to Raleigh & Need Food Options
My post is probably going to be mostly a reiteration from other's suggestions -
-La Farm Bakery in Cary has great bread but is a serious drive. I would certainly try Yellow Dog Bakery before driving all the way to Cary or Durham for good bread.
-I tend to order my grassfed beef online however I can recommend Ray Family Farms in Bunn (about 20-25 minute drive from Wake Forest) for excellent pastured pork and grassfed/finished beef. They're also incredibly lovely people who deserve to be supported. That said, their prices are a bit high for my budget. You can check them out online at rayfamilyfarms.com
- I happen to like the Wake Forest Farmer's Market. It may not be the largest but there's more pastured meats there than at some larger markets. I think it just depends on your preferences honestly. For pastured meats and poultry (non-beef) I prefer Walk Ahead Farms.
Carrboro is a hike, I've been to their market before and enjoyed it but didn't feel that it was so much more incredible than what I could find closer. I would certainly check it out if I were you just for fun but I wouldn't rule out some of the other nearby markets like North Hills, North Raleigh, and Wake Forest.
Oh and Roses Meats and Sweets is wonderful, I also recommend them. They're not that far from North Raleigh even though you need to take a trip around 540. Definitely worth checking out.
Apr 28, 2014Erika RollerGirl in Southeast
Where to Buy Turkish Ingredients in CH/Durham?
Harissa comes in a plethora of different consistencies and tastes. You can buy the tube of paste that is very spicy and similar in consistency to tomato paste from Cost Plus World Market. It comes in a yellow box with red writing I believe.
The jarred sauce is more like a condiment while this is definitely an ingredient to be used within recipes.
Apr 10, 2014Erika RollerGirl in Southeast
Captain J's International Buffet in Raleigh, NC
That sounds slightly worrisome. I'm a big believer in "stick with what you know/do best". Their menu is already huge, no need to try to do Southern as well as the rest imho.
Mar 12, 2014Erika RollerGirl in Southeast
Raleigh - Former Owners of Fortune Palace Open New Place!
This is great news! Thank you!! I've been sad about the loss of Fortune Palace for sure.
Mar 08, 2014Erika RollerGirl in Southeast
They usually have a small sign/poster near the register which says the charity they're pushing for each month. Sometimes the cashier will ask and include the name of the charity at that time. It doesn't really bother me to be honest, I just say "no thanks" and move on.
Feb 22, 2014Erika RollerGirl in Chains
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Feb 21, 2014Erika RollerGirl in Southeast
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I've never seen nutritional yeast at any TJ's on either coast. Whole Foods definitely has it in the bulk food section though.
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Posts by Mad Mike
1092 posts • joined 30 May 2007
Ubuntu's shiny 10th birthday Unicorn: An upgrade fantasy
Re: Meh!
"Where is all that money going to come from? Linux users are notorious freetards and don't even want to pay for their morning Coffee's."
Mmmmm. Nothing like insulting a load of people. Maybe Linux users simply like freedom and quality rather than being hemmed in my Windows? Maybe they like an OS that runs and runs well on older/slower hardware? I think jumping from free OS to free everything is rather a leap without additional evidence.
Ellison: Sparc M7 is Oracle's most important silicon EVER
Re: Boastful bravado
This is interesting as the chip seems much more like a Sparc T than a Sparc M. Guess they're either getting confused or mashing the lines together. Either way, they realised a while ago that 64MB of L3 for 32 cores is way too low for a big database machine and more like the ratios seen in the Sparc Ts, which then got a core drop to increase this ratio for Sparc Ms!! Having had experience of Sparc Ts running certain workloads, I can certainly say you have to be very careful with them as single thread performance really sucks. Critical thread helps, but then you loose a lot of supposed 'benefit', so go figure.
He also likes boasting about facilities that other manufacturers have had for years. As has previously been said, Power has had memory compression for years and has also had memory keying, which is similar to his memory protection. Overall seems like an awful lot of hot air and random boasting about anything and everything.
US Copyright Office rules that monkeys CAN'T claim copyright over their selfies
Re: Too Late Now
Or maybe the picture isn't of the monkey who took it. The monkey that pressed the button could always have been pointing it at another monkey..............
In which case, the monkey should own copyright as clearly it has composed the photo etc. just as much as any photographer.
Oracle reveals 32-core, 10 BEEELLION-transistor SPARC M7
Re: POWER8 disappoints
I have done comparisons between Oracle Mx and Tx chips and IBM Power x chips. I've also looked at the server design and resilience etc.etc. Been doing it for a while. Oracle chips do well in benchmarks, but it simply doesn't work through to reality, except for some limited applications. If you want to run huge instances (one of the reasons why Oracle push Solaris containers rather than LDOMs) doing a single workload (such as a huge BI machine), you might be able to make use of the performance. However, if you want to do more normal workload (such as OLTP), using a lot of partitions (or LDOMs), performance falls away rapidly. Cache size is one reason, but there are others. Using a lot of LDOMs, containers (to a lesser extent) and really working the threads up (again to a lesser extent) causes cache thrasing as the cache simply isn't big enough for the speed of the cores. Power chips have far fewer problems in this area and have much larger cache sizes which is one of the reasons.
If you want to run large numbers of partitions (or LDOMs) or generally anything that switches between threads etc. a lot, the Power chips do much better in real life. Yes, the benchmark figures are good, but don't translate into real life performance under many circumstances. We, run Power servers with VP to PP ratios of up to 10 to 1 with really good performance. Tx and Mx chips simply won't do this. It's been a well known problem since the beginning of these chip lines. The Mx chips lost cores in order to increase the cache amount for each core specifically to try and address this problem. And it worked, to a point.
The M7 chip design looks more like a T7 design, primarily due to the very large core count and low cache quantities per core. If it had been launched as a T7, I would not have been surprised at all and would have expected to see a M7 launched slightly later with fewer cores and bigger cache per core. But, that isn't what Oracle have done.
Also, have a look at the server designs and their resilience etc. You find an interesting story. I was very surprised to find out some time ago that a T3-2 server would DELIBERATELY reboot itself if a socket failed!! That's not resilience. This was to reconfigure all the I/O onto the remaining socket. However, if you design the implementation correctly, all I/O would be mirrored across the two sockets anyway, so I/O would be maintained. It actually rather seems like Oracle are putting resilience more into their software stack and not their hardware. In the event of a hardware fault, they expect to loose the hardware and simply failover to another instance through software.
The above is one solution to a problem, but it should always bee borne in mind that software is normally the least reliable part of the stack and therefore deliberately using that for resilience is arguably not the best. As a last resort, fine, but hardware surviving faults is a good starting point first.
Re: POWER8 disappoints
Interesting. Why is someone using a userid almost identical to mine and posting stuff like this? Presumably, trying to pass themselves off as me. Of course, what the post fails to identify is that benchmarks are one thing, but real life performance is another. Yes, lots of companies like to compete on benchmarks (although only recently with Sun/Oracle), but they are really artificial. It's also interesting that the poster believes making the biggest (as in processors/cores etc.) is all that matters. The vast majority of the market simply doesn't want servers of this size, so it's largely irrelevant.
Re: This explains IBM's $3 billion systems invest FUD
"Even if you ignore the L4 cache, the M7's caching scheme is in fact a step backwards for people who value single-thread performance."
Not just single-thread performance, but multi-thread as well. One of the primary uses of large caches is to avoid cache thrashing in the event of many threads (or partitions) hitting the same core over time and causing cache to be constantly refreshed from memory. The greater the multi-threading and the greater the partitioning, the more cache you need.
Re: This explains IBM's $3 billion systems invest FUD
@Captain Server Pants.
Interestingly, it's not as clear cut as you say, depending on exactly what is working and what is not on the chip. If you only have say half the cores, but all the cache is working, that will help quite a lot. If some of the cache isn't working, that's not so good!! It just depends on what has failed. Not sure why you're picking on IBM for this either as just about everybody does it. AMD, Intel etc. have done it in the past. Indeed, in earlier incarnations of the T chips, Oracle/Sun used to sell processors with less than the normal number of cores. Now, I'm not saying if they were simply deactivated, or failed, I don't know. However, it's likely at least some were failed. At this sort of density, you're always going to get some failures and selling them at the lower end is quite a reasonable way of utilising them.
As you have said, all the current IBM Power 8 servers use 2 chip modules, but they are all the lower end servers and this has been the case for years. It's only when you go up the server line that you get the full chips being used. This is for very good reason. Firstly, it uses the 'slightly' faulty chips and also allows manufacturing issues to be ironed out early. That's why they launch the low end first.
Regardless of the rights and wrongs of how it's done, the proof is in the pudding and the performance per buck. If making it a 6 + 6 gives better performance per buck, then that's just fine.
I strongly suspect that if Oracle attempt to manufacture the Sparc chip as mentioned, we'll see lower end systems with less than the full core count 'activated'. Attempting top manufacture chips at this density and core count (not to mention accelerators etc.) and some failures will occur. You either throw them away and absorb the cost, or do something else with them in the low end!!
Re: Multi-core
Very true to an extent, but there are plenty of systems which are heavily single (or low numbers of) threaded in existence today. Parallelism is coming more and more, but isn't fully there yet. Also, just because something is parallel doesn't mean it doesn't care about latency and other issues that parallelism can cause. Also, don't forget that some things are naturally parallel, such as OLTP systems. However, other workload is naturally not parallel and trying to turn it parallel causes (in some cases) a very significant overhead. It's getting better all the time, but parallelism isn't the answer to everything and causes it's own problems as well.
Re: This explains IBM's $3 billion systems invest FUD
As has always been said; it's the whole path you need to consider. Getting cores faster is no good unless you can keep the data coming in faster as well. Faster memory, faster I/O, faster interconnects etc.etc. There's plenty of innovation going on all over the place.Cache sizes are way bigger on Power chips at the moment and they've opened up with architecture as well. Inviting other companies to create accelerators and the like that sit directly on processor interconnects etc.
Oracle are heading down the 'accelerator in silicon' route much faster than others.Not that others haven't done it, but it seems to be a much higher priority drive at Oracle. You can see the attraction. Their hardware is perfectly tuned to their software and gets advantages other hardware can't give. At the same time, they refuse to code their software to use accelerators etc. present in other brands of hardware. All about locking and from Oracles perspective is a win-win. However, it is only their version of Sparc they can do it with and their Intel/AMD deployments won't enjoy the same advantages, unless they can persuade Intel/AMD to play ball with them :-)
As to Itanium.................it rather seems to have fallen off the coupon...
Re: Nice! -- NOT!
"One example is the similarity the M7 has to the Rock processor cancelled in 2009/2010. Rock was a 16 core CPU design made up of 4 clusters of 4 cores each. Very similar to the M7 which has 8 clusters of 4 cores each - coincidence? Hmmm!"
There's not necessarily any issue with using ideas from the past, brought up to speed with the latest technology. However, the design of this chip demonstrates one of the biggest problems for designers these days......interconnects. Any to any interconnects are always going to be best, but as the number of endpoints rises, become impractical. So, interconnect technology is likely to become one of the biggest drivers of processor/core speed. Used to be seen as mostly a problem in big (such as Power, Integrity etc.) servers with many processors, but as core numbers increase, is even becoming a problem between cores.
Re: Nice!
Ah, liquid cooling!! Back to the old days.........
Not sure how much liquid cooling can help though. As the die gets bigger (and even at this density, it's going to be pretty big), it becomes very difficult to get the heat from the center of the chip. I've often wondered whether they'll start producing chips that have cooling channels through them rather than just around (or on top) of them. That would help a lot, but is fraught with difficulties. Might even allow them to cool (as in chill) the chip as well, with a suitable refrigerant.
Re: Cache size
If, as said here, they're merging the T and M chips, I wonder if they'll offer sub-capacity offerings with less than 32 cores? Maybe reuse some of the chips with failed cores? Starting a server range at a single processor with 32 cores (and presumably an appropriate cost) is not really that viable and could loose a lot of good business. Unless, of course, they're only interested in people who want single boxes that size and bigger? Maybe push smaller users onto x86. One of the 'benefits' of the smaller T-series servers was that a small one could be purchased quite cheaply. I assume a single processor M7 server won't be that cheap?
Re: Nice!
"Who knows what the wafer size is, but cooling something like that is going to be a challenge. Even with die shrinks and lower voltages, it's going to consume a lot of power and all that heat has to be drawn away somewhere."
I really wonder sometimes. How does a comment about trying to cool something like this get a thumbs down? Power and cooling is one of the biggest issues processor designers have to face!!
Re: Nice!
Who knows what the wafer size is, but cooling something like that is going to be a challenge. Even with die shrinks and lower voltages, it's going to consume a lot of power and all that heat has to be drawn away somewhere.
Re: Cache size
It's an interesting move. Given the way they released T processors before and then reduced core count to produce a M processor. Are they not going to produce M and T versions of this one? If they are, the T version should have something like double the cores!!
As to the latency being hidden by threading......one of the primary purposes of the caching is to prevent cache thrashing when running lots of threads, so the threading should make it even worse!! The early T chips showed that admirably.
Cache size
Does anybody else think that 64MB of cache seems tiny for 32 cores and 8 threads a core?
London cops cuff 20-year-old man for unblocking blocked websites
Re: Bail
"You don't have to be charged to be released on bail, the poilce can suspect you, confiscate equipment and question you."
True, but they have to suspect you of some crime. So, what is the crime they suspect him of?
Re: What law has been broken.
"You can't be arrested for a non-crime, or for a civil matter unless you've broken a court order (in which case it's a contempt of court charge) .
Note that the actual charges proferred have not been stated and in all liklihood they never will be, because they woulfn't stand up in court."
I totally agree this should be the case, but as they have arrested the man in question, this would not seem to be true. After all, to arrest someone it has to be 'on suspicion of ..................'. So, what is the last bit? Otherwise, surely this is false imprisonment?
Re: What law has been broken.
"You can't - Copyright isn't a document or some other tangible object that you have lying around anywhere therefore it is impossible to steal Copyright. Copyright violation... well that's quite a different matter but doesn't make for the right sounding propaganda."
Now, I'm all for FACT being violated. If they filmed it, I would even pay to watch it rather than download a pirated version!!
Re: even if he did...
Ah, but has he tried to usurp the law in question? I think not. The law says an ISP must block these sites and they are still doing so. Therefore, no usurping of the law. The law does not say you can't see the sites, just that the ISPs must block them. So, being a non-ISP, what's he done wrong?
African samba queen: Don't cut off pirates' net connections – cut off their FINGERS
Painful music
Perhaps cutting their ears off would be a more appropriate punishment. I assume they would only be caught a couple of times to render further pirating pointless. Unless, of course, they like feeling the vibrations........
Lawyer reviewing terror laws and special powers: Definition of 'terrorism' is too broad
Re: EVER NOTICE ...
"They aren't 'terrorists' they are Freedom Fighters."
Depends which side of the fence you sit. To those in eastern Ukraine, they're freedom fighters. To those in west Ukraine, they're terrorists. To the rest of the world, it's based on whether you like Russia at the time!!
The downing of the airliner looks like a terrible mistake. They didn't intend to do it. So, is it an unfortunate mistake by 'freedom fighters', or a terrorist atrocity? Depends on your viewpoint and who you support in that conflict. It's certainly true that an elected government was overthrown. Is the fact that the population could do that evidence that it was correct and the government needed to go or not? Isn't then helped by lots of other countries getting involved and interfering.
Re: As Mad Mike says.
I think he means obvious to him. As both he and I have said.....it's a question of perspective and each individuals beliefs. I don't agree with everything he says, but that's his perspective on things. Right and wrong are not absolute. Something can be both to different people and that's part of the problem. It would be much easier if that weren't the case.
In times of yore, armies would meet on a battlefield, slug it out and a winner would (generally) emerge. Civilian casualties were light during the battle, but sometimes very bad afterwards as the winners went on the rampage, maybe as revenge. The beginning of the 20th century saw the turning point. Partly due to the weapons then becoming available and a change of belief, civilians became valid military targets. In a lot of way this makes sense. In a war, is there really a civilian? The populations of both Germany and Britain (and others) were making the weapons used by the soldiers. Doesn't that make them part of the supply chain and therefore part of the greater army. After all, if you degrade the ability of the army to get weapons, doesn't that help you? Are the farmers not providing the food for the army and 'civilians' making the weapons?
The line between civilians and military is well and truly blurred now and arguably during conflicts doesn't really exist. This was definitely so during WWII, so the mass bombing of Dresden (and other places such as Tokyo) arguably degraded their military through degrading their support structure. Does that jusitfy it? I'm not attempting to answer any of these questions, as its a very personal opinion, but it isn't anywhere near as simple a thought process as people try to make it. It's far more complicated than the straight yes/no answers the official accounts tend to give.
Re: When did Britain lose its way?
"No, no he wasn't...also you need serious help if you really think that!"
I wasn't saying I believed that. I was simply pointing out that its a matter of perspective. Hitler was ELECTED. Now, some might question whether a degree of force was involved (brownshirts etc.), but he was elected. So, a good many people must have agreed with him and supported him and its widely agreed by historians that actually a lot of Germans supported him as he gave them a way out. So, clearly a large number of people, at least initially, thought he was 'freeing' Germany.
"No it doesn't it depends on whether you support the mass genocide of an entire race of people in an attempt to get the world to dance to your drum beat."
What a crass statement. Firstly, when Hitler was elected, the genocide was really something of the future and his hatred of the Jews (and others, which you seem to have forgotton) was not as extreme or as widely known. He also used the Jews as the reason for all Germanys troubles and a lot of the population agreed. Secondly, many, many countries have either carried out or attempted to carry out genocides. Not least amongst these is the USA of their native population. In fact, I would wager that if you go back in time, most countries have carried out a genocide or two, so stop thinking Hitler was particularly unique in this. Also, the sending of the New Model Army under Oliver Cromwell to Ireland could well be classed as this as well.
You also need to understand why he killed the races and groupings he did. Did he really believe that murdering them all would suddenly make the world 'dance to his drum beat'? I think not. At least one of the reasons was to find a common enemy for Germans to unite against. Germany was ravaged by internal fighting between the wars and used the Jews as a target for all their frustrations etc. and as a means of unifying the Germans behind him. Been done many times in history. Bearing in mind he tried very hard to hide the slaughter, he wasn't really using it to try and make the world do what he said.
What I'm trying to do is get people to think rather than knee jerk. Think about it from all perspectives rather than just the official history we're given, which is selective to say the least. Germany was in all sorts of troubles after WWI and a large part of that was the reparations it was forced to pay. Was that right? Official history in the UK says yes, but the Germans certainly didn't believe that. It's also interesting that after WWII, no reparations were forced, so maybe politicians had learnt something? It's pretty much agreed that reparations was one of the major reasons for the rise of Hitler and WWII, as it gave Germany nothing to loose in having another go!!
Your viewpoint is that these things were all bad and I don't disagree, but at the time, many would disagree with you. Do bear in mind as well, that Britain (and the allies) had plenty of evidence of the holocaust for some considerable time before it was acknowledged and arguably even tried to keep it quiet.
Re: @LucreLout
@Lamont Cranston
"It'd be a terribly twee "revolutionary struggle" that never involved any "unofficial or unauthorized use of violence and intimidation"."
Sounds like LucreLouts 'freedom fighters' are actually just politicians. As they can't use violence, the politicial process is the only thing they can use!! I really don't like the idea of people like Cameron, Milliband and Clegg being thought of as freedom fighters.
Re: I have argued for many years
""Freedom fighters are simply people who commit terrorist acts, but you happen to agree with (or at least disagree with their opponents), whereas terrorists are those you don't agree with. It's about how it looks from your point of view."
If that statement isn't peak stupid, we're doomed."
By the thumbs up and down, I would say the statement is 'peak stupid'. Alternatively, the intelligent mind questions its conclusion based on the evidence before it.
" erm, no. South Africa calls Mandella a terrorist. He committed acts of terrorism. He was tried for terrorism. Convicted of terrorism. And imprisoned for terrorism. However much he may have felt his cause was just, he was still a terrorist. To his credit, he never denied being such."
Well, what a surprise. According to the 'tyranny' he was fighting, he's a terrorist. Think that actually proves my point as large areas of the world who opposed the apartheid regime called him a freedom fighter!! It's hardly surprising that the judiciary and legal system created by his opponents call him a terrorist.
Re: When did Britain lose its way?
Yes, knowing that it was Hitler dropping all those bombs must have made it so much better than a terrorist doing it!!
Anyway, wasn't Hitler just a freedom fighter, freeing Germany from the unfair terms of the reparations claimed after WWI? Just depends on your viewpoint!! In Germany at the time, they believed they had been very badly treated after WWI and were suffering horribly as a result. Rampant inflation etc.etc., people dying of starvation etc. Hitler offered a way out. So, a lot of them took it. Were the conditions imposed on Germany tyrannical? Discuss.
The allies actually learnt something from this, which is why Germany was rebuilt after WWII and did not have to pay reparations.
Re: I have argued for many years
"The majority of blockades affecting Paestinians are not Israeli, they are put in place by other arab/muslim nations because they don't want the Palestinians migrating to their nation - largely due to racism on their part."
Ah, now I happen to agree with you somewhat. Egypt has a border with Gaza (for instance) that is very heavily controlled. If the Egyptians wanted to help the poor, downtrodden and abused Palestinians, surely opening that would help? Maybe, but it could also lead to an exodus, so they keep it well controlled. Egypt has also made a peace deal with Israel and to keep Israel onside tries to keep weapons out of Gaza as they normally end up being fired at Israel, prompting a backlash.
I remember an incident in the Kuwait just after the first gulf war, where a Palestinian was stabbed by a Kuwaiti. He was arrested (he protested much), but was released next day with no charges. Why? As the arrested man said........"But, he's only a Palestinian!!" The dead persons offence? To be in front of the Kuwaiti in a queue in a bank and refusing to stand aside!!
Re: I have argued for many years
"Freedom fighters attack only military targets, terroists attack civilians. It's extremely clear cut."
Absolute rubbish. From dictionary.com
freedom fighter
a fighter for freedom, especially a person who battles against established forces of tyranny and dictatorship.
Nothing about attacking military targets here. This is simply your definition of what you would like a 'freedom fighter' to be.
You call Mandella a terrorist, but didn't he fight against tyranny against coloured people?
Freedom fighters are simply people who commit terrorist acts, but you happen to agree with (or at least disagree with their opponents), whereas terrorists are those you don't agree with. It's about how it looks from your point of view.
Re: I have argued for many years
The problem they constantly try to get around is the thorny subject of intent. Possession of material likely to help a terrorist could be absolutely anything. Anybody got any fertiliser? That's bomb making material that!! The issue they need to deal with is proving intent. The whole problem and issue is around intent. Just about everyone has material that COULD help a terrorist. The issue is whether they INTEND to.
Re: I have argued for many years
This is particularly true when you consider that one mans terrorist is another mans freedom fighter. Murder is easy to define, but terrorism is not as it depends on your viewpoint. A terrorist murder is simply a murder by someone you don't agree with!!
MPs wave through Blighty's 'EMERGENCY' surveillance laws
Re: Possibly Illegal Law
Do you really think politicians care about legal and illegal? You may have noticed a relatively recent (about 10-15 years) change towards laws which are retrospective. A lot of this was initially around financial matters, but it has expanded into other areas as well. It was always considered wrong to implement retrospective laws as the person being prosecuted couldn't possibly know it would become illegal at the time of the 'crime'. When this first such law occurred was a game changer, as it basically gave MPs the ability to make their past crimes legal and make anyone a criminal at any time for past actions.
A good example of this is the law around tax avoidance. Tax schemes that were perfectly legal (avoidance) were suddenly made illegal and the impact went back as far as HMRC wanted. So, people setup what were perfectly legal tax avoidance schemes in the past that have now been declared illegal and that illegality (and therefore punishment....fine, repay tax etc.) goes back to the start of the arrangement if desired. This is even though the law that made it illegal only came in later!!
Re: So...
Neither politicians, nor GCHQ or anyone else wants this information leaked. After all, it's why government does exactly what GCHQ, MI5 etc. tell them to do. Anyone who tries to go their own way will soon have their records released (or what is claimed to be their records), demonstrating their 'interesting' hobbies.
Re: unsurprised, but ...really?
"A nice crisp definition of "Western democracy". As long as it's called democracy, though, you do retain responsibility for it - all of it. Nice setup, eh?"
Not really. I mean you don't call those farces every 5 years a vote do you? There's a limited number of parties you can vote for that have any chance of making a difference. All these parties are pretty similar (see this law for instance) and all populated by greedy, self-serving leaders and their sycophants. So, do I really have a choice? I haven't voted in years, as it doesn't make a difference and is pointless. There's nobody who had policies I want and they don't do what they say when in power anyway. Same for all the major parties.
So, I don't really believe we live in a democracy. After all, you can call us a democracy all you like, but it doesn't make it true.
Seventh-gen SPARC silicon will accelerate Oracle databases
Re: Resiliency Model
PS @Stretch.
I do appreciate that I'm talking about the server and not the processor directly, but bear in mind the attributes of the server are often at least partially driven from the processor. So features and limitations in the CPU (SPARC) design could well be causing some of the lack of resilience I have talked about. I'm still diving into it with Oracle and don't have full details, but some of the resiliency issues I'm investigating seem to be related to the PCI bus design, which is very CPU related.
Re: Resiliency Model
@Phil O'Sophical.
I do agree to a point. Not everything requires that very high level of resilience. However, as you rightly point out, most downtime is due to human and software errors. So, for those solutions requiring high levels of resilience, the last thing you want to rely when a hardware fault occurs, is software!! You're relying on one of the lowest reliability components to provide said resilience.
Anyone who has had any experience with clustered database systems will know how often the clustering doesn't work as expected or planned.
Re: Are these the SPARC or the T processors
This is exactly surprising and has been known for some time. Essentially, the cache per core/CPU is nowhere near as big as competing processors. This leads to issues with cache flushing etc. when switching between threads and more memory access and therefore lower throughput. If you look at the Sparc M chips, they have higher cache levels at the expense of fewer cores.
Re: Resiliency Model
Care to elaborate? Why does a comment about Sparc servers have nothing to do with Sparc processors. I'm confused.
Resiliency Model
Before investing in any Sparc servers, I would suggest people look at the resiliency model and exactly what happens on certain failures. You might be surprised (just had my replies back from Oracle!!). What appears to be a resilient server looks like it relies quite heavily on the application configuration (i.e. Oracle RAC etc.) to achieve resiliency, rather than making sure the server can take failures.
I was genuinely shocked to hear what is considered acceptable for component failure according to Oracle.
UK gov rushes through emergency law on data retention
Re: Can someone explain ...
@Titus Technophobe.
"Yes and no. My original explanation was lacking. What happened was that in the 1980s and 90s the security services had the capability to look at telecommunications metadata. With the emergence of the internet that capability was lost.
Much of RIPA and PATRIOT is extending the security services original capabilities for telecommunications traffic to include internet based communications."
Not true. The security services have been intercepting both metadata and the content of telecommunications for years, well over a decade. Today, they're doing the internet pretty wholesale as well and trying to get more and more as time goes on. The difference now is that they are being open about it, rather than covert as before. This changes the evidential status.
If you think RIPA and the PATRIOT act are about telecommunications only, or even mostly, you really need to read them. They go way further than that.
Re: Can someone explain ...
@Titus Technophobe.
"The main set of information reported as missing around 911 and 7/7 by the security services was the communications traffic from the internet. Much of RIPA or indeed the PATRIOT act seems to be intelligence services increasing the capability onto the internet very much in line with other telecommunications."
Ah. This is what they said, but is now known to be disinformation. A certain man named Snowdon (amongst others) has made it clear they did have the communications traffic and in fact, the content as well as the metadata!! So, this was actually the security services using an untrue excuse for missing them and turning that into a means of openly keeping this information rather than doing it on the sly.
In essence this has been acknowledged for years in some ways. The US Navy has a submarine specifically equipped for tapping undersea fibre optic cables.....USS Jimmy Carter. There were other subs before her as well. So, we need to realise the complaints from the security services around not being able to intercept communications are simply misinformation and not true.
"I too have been in the situation in mainline London stations ... but bear in mind at the time security services were intercepting communications and so on. How many more of IRA campaigns would have succeeded if these communications were not intercepted?"
Earlier you said the security services weren't intercepting the communications!! Here you seem to be accepting that the security services have been intercepting terrorist communications.
The reality is that this will give the security services no more information than they've had for years, maybe decades. The difference now is that because it is done openly rather than clandestine, it can be admitted in courts etc.
Re: Those aren't "arms"! *These* are ARMS...
@Tom Welsh.
You could well ask the question; who is the Department of Homeland Security protecting the homeland from? Is it terrorists, invasion etc.etc., or the population of the homeland? All this worldwide panic around terrorism and pedophiles is all very handy to allow governments to restrict liberty and freedoms, but is it simply opportunism at events, or something more sinister? After all, a lot of the threats we currently face were created by the USA. The predecessors to the Taliban were effectively created by the CIA to fight the Soviet Union in Afghanistan. In fact, a huge amount of radical Islam was created by the CIA and originally directed at the Soviets. Saddam Hussein was supported and armed for many years by the USA. etc.etc.
Re: Can someone explain ...
@Titus Technophobe
"Looking at 'today' this seems a much better situation than that left by the previous government. Suggesting that we do in fact live in a democratic society and tomorrow will take care of itself, surely ?"
I can't deny that it looks better superficially. Exactly how good the oversight will be is another matter. We don't just want an oversight body, but an oversight body that does it's job well and honestly and that's pretty unlikely. Do we live in a democracy? There are only three political parties with any real chance of getting anywhere; maybe four if you include UKIP. So, whilst we might call ourselves a democracy, I don't really believe in it, as there is nobody I want to vote for and I don't have the option of 'none of the above'. The country is run by people who have been shown to be corrupt, self-serving, greedy and generally of low moral stock. So, the UK is a bit like a company. In theory the shareholders can vote down things at the AGM (and other times maybe), but in reality it never really happens. So, if you really think your vote counts, I'm afraid you're pretty delusional.
"No I don't mind them knowing that I went to see my mistress. I wouldn't have been alone in having a mistress, and they would not have had any particular reason to examine the situation any further. The records of me going to visit her would have simply aged out of the system.
The same would also apply to the details of phone calls, emails and texts I sent to my mistress. Do bear in mind that this is traffic information, and it is entirely possible that she could have just been a female friend."
You will do when someone decides to use that information against you!! Give me £10k, or we tell your wife. Do this or we tell your wife etc.etc. Look back through history and no matter what purpose information has been collected for, it has ended up being used for nefarious purposes way removed from its original intent. If it were only used for the stated intent, that might not be so bad, but we all know about scope creep, both officially and unofficially sanctioned.
"A 'dragnet' implemented on communications traffic data. Data which would only be accessed on the basis of some other suspicion for both resourcing (i.e. doing much more is costly) and legislative (to examine contents would require further authorisation) reasons. It just doesn't seem to worry me like it does you."
On the basis of some other suspicion can easily become 'just because I want to'. That's the job of the oversight and if you look back over time, you'll see just how good oversight normally is!! pretty damn bad. Look at all the quangos out there that are supposed to be exercising control and oversight over various areas and are actually doing nothing and being poodles? I assume you'll never complain about the size of your energy bill again as OFGEM (oversight and control) must be doing a splendid job!! Ditto for almost every other area.
"Indeed. Yet the mass populous complain bitterly when the police and/or security services don't have or react to this information. I'm not saying that you are in a minority of one but you do perhaps have to respect the will of the masses."
A commonly held misconception. Generally speaking, the police and security services already had the information, they simply failed to put it all together. 7/7 is a good example of this. They already had information on several of those involved, yet didn't connect the dots. This sort of monitoring wouldn't have provided any more. Personally, I accept that no matter what happens, the police and security services can't possibly stop everything. I do accept that not everyone believes that and a reasonable number think perfection is possible. Take the murder of Lee Rigby. The people involved were already known.
As a society, we have to accept that unpleasant incidents will sometimes occur and perfect security isn't possible. The police and security services can no more stop every terrorist attack than they can stop every mugging or theft etc. We simply have to accept this and have a realistic outlook on what is possible. I remember tens of thousands of people walking through mainline London stations with me whilst the IRA bombing campaigns were going on. If you happen to get hit, that's just bad luck. We can do something to try and stop it, but perfection will never be achieved.
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It is today, but tomorrow??????????????????
Also, if you drive from one place to another, do you mind them knowing you've done it, even if they don't know why? What if you were going to see your mistress? Do you mind them knowing now?
I don't think directed monitoring under suitable oversight is the argument here. It's just the total dragnet being implemented. If someone is proven or even suspected to a reasonable level of being a terrorist or whatever, fine, monitor them. But, simply doing it to the whole population...............
As to this legislation arguably being better than the previous.......I agree. It does have more oversight (assuming that works properly) etc. However, it's a bit like saying being stabbed is better than being shot. I'd rather have neither.......
Re: What The Fuck is happening in this country
Your fundamental error is to apply logic and sanity to the situation and then try to understand the governments actions.
People who go and fight in Syria may or may not become a risk when they come back to this country. All depends on individual beliefs and actions. However, the government is basically saying they are all risks and terrorists. This is nonsense. Sure, some may want to come back and bomb (or whatever) us, but just because one does, does not mean they all do.
When looking at all this, you need to look ahead a few decades and see where it is heading. Basically, the government and governing bodies of the UK are looking more and more like the Assad regime every year. Yes, big gulf at the moment, but the first steps in that direction, which are gradually being followed by more and more. After all, who would have thought a decade ago that people would be locked up indefinitely by a secret court using information not available (even after the trial) to the general public? Yet it's now happened.
This is all a slippery slope that only ends up one place. Look at all the tyrannical regimes of the past and note the gradual slide into the abyss. The continual increase in surveillance until you get something like the STASI. Locking people up for longer and longer on less and less information. Suddenly, secret courts appear etc.etc.etc.
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If the data were only used for the purposes they've stated, then people might be OK with it. However, we all know that power corrupts and absolute power corrupts absolutely. Also, scope creep is inevitable. So, if you allow them to start down this path, it is inevitable that the data will be used for far more than was ever envisioned and almost certainly for illegal purposes by politicians themselves.
After all, politicians have never broken any laws have they..........................
Expenses (where a few sacrificial lambs went before the court, but in reality, the majority of the houses of parliament should have been).
Buying peerages.
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I think people need to understand they don't mean 'dangerous individual' at all, which would mean the individual is already guilty of some dangerous activity or at least suspected of it. What they mean is 'potentially dangerous individual', which effectively means everybody.
In essence, this is simply a case of laziness. If there was a process that allowed appropriate organisations to obtain a court order requiring these companies to retain individuals information (but only that individual), then this would be fine. The organisation makes a case before a judge (or similar) who decides if they have just cause and authorises the retention of the information. However, because they are lazy, that would simply be too much like hard work. So, they want everything recorded all the time for everyone and then they can look through it to their hearts content and not bother about showing just cause etc.
Of course, the big issue with this sort of information is the ability to trawl through it. At the moment, the implication is that the companies involved would hold the data themselves. However, what would happen if they were then required to hand it over to some government department that kept it. Data mining could then be performed to obtain lists of terrorist, pedophiles or any other category you care to mention based on say the sites they've visited. Of course, going to a site doesn't necessarily prove anything, as people sometimes go for a look. For instance, not everyone who looked at the terrorist handbook was actually going to make a bomb or whatever. But that soon becomes forgotten.
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Re: They haven't got a clue
"Finding what went wrong is the part of this search that would make the biggest difference for everyone not directly linked to the flight."
Totally agree, but how can they find out what went wrong without finding the wreckage and trying to get information from there? At the moment, they have no idea what happened. Plenty of guesses and conjecture etc., but very little real facts.
I don't think the issue is areas of the planet not surveyed and constantly monitored, but the idea that a plane (wherever it may be) can suddenly pretty much disappear. A few faint radar returns is all we know about. Most people would assume civilian airliners are constantly monitored and their position is known at all times. It's this that's worrying people more than not knowing much about the seabed west of Australia.
Re: What about those black-box locator pings?
Interesting. Not sure why the original poster of this thread got 2 downvotes. Is it not reasonable to ask that question given the importance to the search. Maybe it's the slight hint at collusion etc. from the last sentence.
However, if the pings were the wrong frequency, why did the investigation continue with them for so long? Surely this would have been obvious early on and they would have been discounted and a large amount of time saved and the investigation could move onto better areas, maybe even with the batteries still running and pings still being produced?
They haven't got a clue
All the available evidence suggests they don't really have a clue.
They thought they'd got black box pings, but now seem to have discounted them. So, what were they? How could they not know they were/weren't from black boxes. Defies belief. The search area (caused by the pings) never did coincide with the expected location from the satellite information, so why did that not cause worries.
The area they're trying to search is so large, only amazing luck can possibly allow them to stumble upon the wreckage or black boxes. The batteries on the black boxes must have run out by now, so no signals can be expected from them.
Also, it all went very quiet, very quickly and the Chinese haven't been making anywhere near as much noise as one might expect. The whole of the known circumstances are weird to put it mildly. Information has been kept secret for periods of time. A good example of the US Navy searching the west coast of Malaysia when the investigation was insisting there was no reason to. Did the US Navy have information that hadn't been passed onto the investigation? Did the investigation have the information, but kept searching in the wrong place for some reason?
All through this, there's been a stench about it. The whole circumstances of the disappearance, the complete and utter incompetence of the investigation. It all really, really stinks. Air defence radars all over that area simply must have followed the aircraft. Any US Navy ships at sea nearby would have been tracking it. As the transponders were turned off, it would have assumed to be hostile by everyone.
So, do they really not have a clue, or maybe they absolutely know, but don't want to tell.
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