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As a child (under 21) did your parents give you wine or alcohol at home with meals?
- ipsedixit Mar 7, 2011 07:46 PM
It's legal in some states, and not in others.
But regardless of the legality of doing, did your parents ever provide you with wine during meals?
If they did, do you think it made you appreciate food and/or alcohol more as an adult?
We often hear the oft-repeated refrain that parents aren't cooking enough or making enough wholesome meals at home for their children.
I just wonder if parents were in the habit of pairing a wine with whatever they happened to be plating that night if that wouldn't make the parents think harder about what to serve -- instead of just mindlessly popping open a blue box and boiling some water ... which is not say a good Chardonnay doesn't go well with Mac 'N Cheese ...
Would drinking be a "gateway habit" to better eating?
re: wattacetti
They did not. Not because of legal concerns, but just that they were not big into wine. Spirits, yes. But not wine.
I wish they did, however.
re: ipsedixit
The only wine I remember from my early drinking days was Boones Farm Apple wine.
re: macca
Don't forget Blue Nun on that journey ... how sophisticated ... German wine.
The only thing I would make illegal ... until someone is 30 ... is the sweet soda wines like Boone's Farm, Arbor Mist etc. They aren't about taste and only getting smashed in a way that isn't offputting. A kid might not like the taste of a red wine, but these sugar wines are soda with a buzz.
Pairing Boone's Farm isn't high on most people's list to pair with food. Though someone did suggest pairing Arbor Mist strawberry white mist with strawberry cupcakes ... it "rocked' according to them.
Should you go the Abor Mist route with a child, of course you want to instruct them on how to open a bottle.
Quite frankly, anyone who needs those instructions has lost too many brain cells drinking it.
Whatever anyone is paing wines like this with, it certainly isn't a gateway to better eating.
I'm not sure how serious it is, but someone said Boone's Farm Apple pairs nicely with Velveeta.
Or the deep-fried-butter-on-a-stick and Boone's Farm duo
Then there is the pairing with pop tarts
"I believe that the Boones Farm brand was practically made for the Tart-wine pairing. Who could resist the sweet taste of Boone's farm strawberry wine together with a double strawberry Pop Tart, toasted or not, one just brings out the fruity goodness of the other. The Apple wine is a sure thing with a cinnamon or apple/cinnamon toaster confection"
re: rworange
Great post! Arbor Mist was after my time- love the pop tart and Boones Farm pairing. I will admit to drinking Boones Farm in my youth- but, to tell the truth, I have never had a pop tart!
re: ipsedixit
The only wine I remember drinking as a kid was Manischewitz, at Passover seders. The children at the seder table even had their own special "wine glasses" -- they held maybe an ounce or two -- and giving kids wine was no big deal.
Funny thing about wine, though. During that era, all we ever knew of wine was the likes of Manischewitz and Mogen David, and I'd guess that that was true not only of my household, but of most households in my Brooklyn, NY neighborhood.
It's legal in some states, and not in others.
The age in the US is 21+
Think times have changed since I was growing up in NY (drinking age was 18 then).
Didn't really drink with meals, but my parent's would rather me and my friends drink (when just under 18 (16?)) in the basement bar rather than going out and getting into a car wreck. Again, times were different, today if a parent allowed something like that they would be arrested.
re: monku
Again, times were different, today if a parent allowed something like that they would be arrested.
Not true.
41 States That Allow Underage (under 21) Alcohol Consumption
re: ipsedixit
I find it hard to believe that it's "legal" for someone to have a party at their home (California, Louisiana, Nebraska, Nevada, New Jersey, Oklahoma, Wyoming) serving minors alcohol without parental consent is legal.
re: Quine
According to the link OP provided, that's what it basically says except it doesn't use the word "party".
I've got a few more years before my daughter turns 21. She knows my wife and I don't drink because we don't enjoy it. Have offered her sips of champagne and wine, but she didn't like it. Time will tell.
re: monku
I find it hard to believe that it's "legal" for someone to have a party at their home (California, Louisiana, Nebraska, Nevada, New Jersey, Oklahoma, Wyoming) serving minors alcohol without parental consent is legal.
Read the law. That's what it says.
re: nvcook
Well, that's the key, isn't it? The presence of parents.
Relevant Nevada Rev. Stat. http://drinkingage.procon.org/sourcef...
re: monku
In California it's a misdemeanor to furnish alcoholic beverages to minors regardless of parental consent. (B&P Code 25658.) The website linked above has a very limited focus - minor-in-possession laws. Just because the kid isn't committing a crime by having a drink doesn't mean it was legal for the parent to pour it.
Of course, common sense and prosecutorial discretion will certainly limit the enforcement of that law. But if the police break down my door and haul me away from the dinner table because I've served my kids wine, I guess I'll just have to take the rap.
I do not think that offering a sip, a drink, a glass at at home dinner is illegal, but hey I am not a lawyer.
Yes my parents let me taste and try everything. Often when I did not want to try. They felt and I SO agree with, that knowing is a good thing. You can make better decisions in peer pressured situations when you have some good solid experiences what is what.
I'd rather learn in a good value/safe situation rather than a peer induced "drink ya sissy" ""drink drink drink"/
I know your question was about pairing taught early by example. But I went for an answer more primal,how can we teach our children how to imbibe sensibly?
re: Quine
But I went for an answer more primal,how can we teach our children how to imbibe sensibly?
Actually, I think was part of my question.
And I think the answer starts with drinking with their parents and observing the (hopefully) responsible fashion that adults can imbibe alcohol without making a fool of themselves. In other words, I think in a family dinner table setting children can learn that alcohol can and should be a means to better enjoyment of eating and food, and not just as a means to raise one's BAC while decreasing one's inhibitions.
Mine did not, and they have always been wine drinkers, although Dad usually has a martooni before dinner.
My Mom was really watchful that we didn't drink as kids. I remember making a grasshopper pie and her hovering over me as I measured out the required amounts of liqueur for it. Her reason for worrying is that there are alcoholics on both sides of the family and she's always been afraid we'd follow in their footsteps.
Even with all of that, my liver still decided to up and quit on me last November, so no more drinking for me *sob*.
re: tracylee
tracylee, Hugsl May all the best come to you.
re: tracylee
All the best from me as well. May the the gods of liver regeneration smile on you :)
re: alliegator
Thank you, alliegator! I'm going to see an acupuncturist tomorrow who has had success with cases like mine. Hopefully I can get an appetite back as well!
Yes, we had our tiny wine or beer glasses and could always try the wine but often didn't like it. We also made wine. My parents had a group of friends who would rent a crusher and get a truckload of grapes from the other side of the state, then there would be a couple of big plastic garbage cans full of wine fermenting in the basement until it was ready for bottling, which we all helped with. I was apparently a very young wine snob and at some point decided I liked store-bought wine better than homemade, also notorious for giving up red wine for Lent at the tender age of probably 9 or 10 (I didn't like red as much so it wasn't exactly a sacrifice). Also ALWAYS had dinner together as a family, Mom's good cooking and fresh produce from the garden (in season). For our family wine and food were very much hand-in-hand. I don't know if I learned much about pairing, or if the food would have been any less good without the wine, but I am definitely glad I grew up on real food and diverse food, whether it was carrots from the garden or things that weren't necessarily everywhere 30 years ago, like prosciutto and brie.
Sometimes. When I was young my parents always let us have a sip of what they were drinking (beer, scotch, wine, wine coolers). For years (as a child) I only liked white wine because it was sweeter than red. I always thought that red wine should be sweeter because it looked the most like grape juice. But we never had glasses of our own and my parents were never big drinkers. And we always got to drink as much champagne as we wanted on NYE (which as we got older went from a sip, then 1/2 glass, then glass). And as we got older we were allowed to drink at restaurants as long as we were of legal age for that country.
Once we went to college my BF's parents allowed us to drink w/dinner. When we went out to restaurants w/them they told us that we could could have wine or beer w/our meals if the waiter initiated the order/poured a glass, but that they wouldn't order it for us.
My parents never drank with meals. I had a sip or two of Dad's beer, but never liked it (I was 10ish).
I think the first step is to start with food, not wine (this is only if you haven't explored either subjects). Something about an inviting meal well-presented always makes me put away the water glasses.
Dad always let me have a sip of his martini, starting when I was ten. By twelve, I, not mom, mixed it and greeted him with this wondrous beverage when he got home. Made me a confirmed rummy for life.
No, because my parents weren't wine drinkers. The only "wine pairing" at my house growing up was a jug of Carlo and Rossi on the table for spaghetti and meatball night.
I was allowed to drink beer at home once I was college-aged, but this had nothing to do with food or with "teaching" me about alcohol. I just liked beer.
re: LeoLioness
When I was in grade school, my uncle gave me a taste from his jug of Carlo Rossi. I guess he knew I'd hate it. I spit it out so fast and wouldn't even take wine at Communion in church for years.
I did enjoy the teaspoon of Champagne I was allowed on New Year's though.
I am 65, just to give you an age reference. I always had the opportunity to take a sip of beer, wine or a mixed drink whikle I was growing up. I did not care for the taste, however, so it wasn't really an issue. In my late teen years, when I was in college, I did enjoy a glass of wine or beer with dinner at home, but was never allowed to drive afterwards.
My mother, who was born in 1915, always drank beer as a child. It was the drink of choice at all meals. You have to understand that TB (tuberculosis) was common at that time. My grandmother had often seen people spitting into the glass milk jugs left on porches for the milkman to pick up, so she would die rather than have her children drink milk. They drank what she considered much safer -- beer. A common remedy for teething at that time was rubbing a little sweet wine on the baby's gums. Of course a common remedy for colic was paragoric, or something called "Mother Fletcher's Soothing Syrup". Both contained tincture of opium compound. Times have changed!
re: PattiCakes
I was born in 1963, and remember my younger brothers being given paragoric for teething. I know the pharmacist got it from a locked case, but didn't know it contained opiates.
At my grandparents house, I can remember having a glass of Asti Spumante at each holiiday for as far back as I can remember - It was very special indeed!
At regular Sunday dinners, my grandpa always used to let us have red wine with sliced peaches.
The wine/drink was a very important part of the meal, and to me, it still is and always will be.
Interestingly, none of my siblings grew up with the same feeling. Not one of them enjoy wine with their meals, or wine in general. I can't understand it, because we all grew up with it being so integral to the meal.
My parents used to give us each a glass of watered down wine (white or blush) with Sunday dinners. I tasted red, but didn't begin enjoying red wine until I reached my twenties. Now it's white wine I don't like and I only drink red. They also gave us a sip of their beer on occasion, but that was more for my sister than for me. I didn't like beer then, and still can't stand it. They never let us sip a cocktail, but would occasionally let us chew on the celery stalk from a bloody mary or eat the olive from a martini.
It never seemed like that big a deal, but it did make me feel kind of privileged. I didn't stop me from acquiring the party spirit by the time I reached 16, though! My first experience of getting drunk (wasted drunk!) was with wine when I was about 15 or 16. I drank two very large glasses of a mixture of white and red wine from a couple boxes my parents had left over from a party. I mixed the red and white together thinking it would be less noticeable that some was missing. Man, was that a mistake!... But I didn't quite learn the lesson about drinking responsibly for another 10 years.
I was allowed to as an older teen. But it kind of had nothing to do with pairing wine with dinner. My parents are beer and liquor drinkers. They had a lot of parties, and after about age 16 I was allowed a beer ot two then or a cocktail on holidays.
I think it made me just very aware that you can enjoy a couple of beverages without getting plastered. I was a lot more responsible with alcohol than a lot of my friends at that age.
I did become an unabashed underage at home drinker when I became a child bride (lol) at 20. I was living out west for the first time and the microbew industry was really blowing up. I figured that if I was old enough to set up my own household, I could certainly enjoy some tasty beers! And heck, I was only 1 year away...
I was allowed to taste what my parents were drinking, although I usually didn't like it. No pairing, but the exposure I think made me more able to take alcohol without going crazy in college.
Most of my family, parents included, were strict religious conservatives, and as such didn't drink at all (or smoke, or swear, or have fun). They did let us taste the coffee! :)
However, my mom had a not so secret midlife crisis for just a few years when I was a young teen and did imbibe away from home (thus not at meals with the family). *shrug*
I never did acquire a taste for wine, which wasn't 'cool' when I was younger and trying stuff. I did sample a variety of beverage options before concluding that I was pretty much a drinker of pale american beer.
Yes, my parents served the children wine, especially on the sabbath and holidays. Also, non-sacramental wines with supper from the age of 8 on. We travelled regularly in Europe and consumption of wine at meals by children was not unusual.
I do the same with my children, we dine as a family, not just eat.
I don't recall at what age my parents started (occasionally?) offering me wine, but it was definitely some time during my college years. The only thing I liked initially was very sweet German wine; I then expanded my horizons to "better" whites and reds. Their appreciation of wine probably did contribute to my appreciation of it.
I have never liked beer, so I don't know if my parents ever offered it to me. I don't remember if they ever offered mixed drinks; I never drank those much, either. I drank in college, at parties (illegally, of course), and I doubt I kept it a secret from them. But I rarely had more than one glass of anything, and I probably told them that, too, so I guess I was a responsible drinker from the first.
My husband's parents grew up in a non-drinking culture, so wine was never served at home. Interestingly enough, though, his "godparents" were European, and always had wine with meals. When he visited, he did too. He's always equated a good meal with good wine, so that must be where it came from.
We offer our kids wine with dinner, occasionally (we have wine with dinner a couple of times a week). Our 15yo will not drink wine at all (don't you just love "holier-than-thou" teens?). Our 12yo (it's legal in our state to offer our kid a drink in our house) will usually have a few sips, especially if dinner is something like steak. So I think it is adding to her appreciation of a good meal.
I'm pretty sure it's legal in every state for a parent to serve his own child (and no one else's) alcohol. Otherwise, the state would be interfering in the practice of religion, since some religious rituals involve small amounts of wine.
But to answer your question, yes, we were served wine on holidays. I also drank the occasional glass of sherry when my mom wanted someone to share with. Whether this practice works to deter alcoholism or increase the appreciation of food and wine, I can't really say. I love good food and wine; one of my brothers drinks only beer, and rarely; the other has beer or wine in moderation, and another is an alcoholic/drug addict in recovery.
Absolutely not. They drank to excess and smoked like chimneys but God forbid we should get caught doing it, there would be hell to pay.
Later on they both looked forward to having somebody to drink with. The irony is not lost on me.
Yup, pops would occasionally hook me up with a couple of barley pops after we finished the weekend chores, or after we went hunting or fishing. My family wouldn't let any of us boys have any liquor until after we had joined the military and had successfully passed Basic/OSUT.
My very Southern grandfather said to my younger cousin (after he complained about me drinking a shot of whiskey with the adults), "When you're man enough to fight for this country, then you'll be man enough to drink with us." So my cousin joined the Marine Corps the next year.
If we didn't join the military, then we had to wait.
>>>We often hear the oft-repeated refrain that parents aren't cooking enough or making enough wholesome meals at home for their children.
>>> I just wonder if parents were in the habit of pairing a wine with whatever they happened to be plating that night if that wouldn't make the parents think harder about what to serve -- instead of just mindlessly popping open a blue box and boiling some water ... which is not say a good Chardonnay doesn't go well with Mac 'N Cheese ...
>>> Would drinking be a "gateway habit" to better eating?
Using that logic, the parents would have to have some knowledge of wine and someone who isn't making wholesome meals, certainly isn't going to be wine-savy in terms of food
I lived for a while with people who ate only processed food. When an aunt would come over and cook from scrath the teenage kids would say that she was making "wierd food". The parents let the kids drink wine with meals ... Arbor Mist. The purpose was so they'd learn how to handle alcohol at home and not get wasted with friends.. Given the parents were pot-smoking musicians, I'm not sure how that worked out.
I think though there is some merit to that. If it doesn't become a big deal, it is not the forbidden fruit. There's a picture of me at 9 months sucking on the business end of an empty Balentine Ale bottle ... I assume I got to it after it was empty.
My parents didn't drink much, but they never said I couldn't. I'd take a sip of the foam on my father's beer. At holidays, I'd have a glass of Mogen David with the meal. When an Italian neighbor would make wine, I was allowed to have some. Highballs at Christmas ... sure ... but I was more interested in the cherry in the drink.
I don't drink hard liquor or beer much and prefer wine. However, coffee was forbidden to children. As soon as I could, I became a life-long, must have my daily coffee fix addict
So I think de-mystifying something has its merits. If booze or coffee is the measure of adulthood, I think lots of kids want to have at whatever to be a grown-up.
But that isn't your question.
No. I don't think drinking would be a gateway habit to good eating.
Once I learned to appreciate wine more, it didn't change my eating habits ... I was always attracted to good food.
I have a 13 year old stepson who might have some alcohol issues. His father won't let him have a taste of the occasional beer, and it has become a big thing to him. I'm pretty sure he swiped a bottle of dad's beer once.
At Christmas he was saying over and over "Quiero vino". I thought that was weird and out of context. Could not imagine why he would say that. Then at Christmas dinner as we opened the bottle of non-alcoholic sparkling cider, that's what he was talking about.
I'm up in the air as to talking his dad into letting me teach him a little about wine and food pairings when we get back home to California. I'd like the kid to understand that alcohol isn't only about getting a buzz or a badge of being an adult.
The kid is also a really unadventurous eater. Do I think wine would wet his appetite for more interesting food. Absolutely not.
Should I do the food/wine pairing with him, would it inspire better meals. Absolutely not.
It would be a matter of matching a wine to whatever we were having for dinner anyway.
we were allowed sips of wine from about 12 or 13, and a glass if we wanted it from about 15 or 16 (it was never a "ooh, you're old enough", more just a progression) After the legal age was raised to 21, we were allowed harder liquors from about 18 on (again, it wasn't a concrete date, so I don't remember exactly).
Neither of us (nor my husband's siblings, who were far more numerous but raised with the same framework) were binge drinkers in high school or college -- yes, there were a couple of hangovers, but never the progression of foggy, painful Saturdays and Sundays spent face-down on the sofa like so many of the people we knew went through -- the ones who hadn't been allowed to drink at home.
It wasn't ever a forbidden fruit for us, so there was no sense of getting away with something -- if we wanted a drink, we just went and got one. (of COURSE there were rules, and adult supervision...but we never broke them.)
Now that I'm living in Europe and raising a family, it's really interesting to see the difference between the two cultures. Here, there is no legal drinking age if you're with your parents, although it's frowned upon in public less than 15 or so -- legal age for wine and beer is 16, with 18 for hard liquor.
It's not problem-free, but boy -- there are sure a lot fewer problems here with teenage drinking and DUI than there are in the States...but I'm not nearly enough of a social scientist to connect the dots definitively.
We were served a small, well watered glass of wine at special dinners (Christmas, Easter). My drank on occasion but didn't drink with dinner on a daily basis.
I'd say the wine had a minimal effect compared to the fact that my parents enjoyed food, were good cooks, and prepared tasty home cooked meals on a daily basis.
As an aside, we also had wine with communion from the age of about 9, but that's certainly not an incentive to enjoying alcoholic beverages.
Even though the legal drinking age is 18 in Australia, not 21, my parents did serve me the odd glass of wine with dinner as an 'underage' drinker. I believe in Australia (and I could be wrong) that the law recognises a parents discretion to offer a small glass of alcohol to children on celebratory occasions.
I wouldn't say my parents knew anything about food and wine matching, however it taught me that wine was enjoyable with a meal and that alcohol was really no big deal at all. For me I didn't actually start drinking more than the odd glass of wine with a meal until I was at least 26. I do like to cook wholesome meals for my family and when my son is old enough (many years to go yet and a call I will be making on his maturity, etc. when he is older) I would like to be able to offer him the same small glass of wine to sit down with at family meals. I believe dining together as a family is a pleasurable ritual and I hope that in the process my son will be able to further develop his love of good food. And bad food on occasion for that matter.
My parents did not make a big deal of alchol. My dad was not much of a drinker and neither was my mom, but they did not treat drinking as though it was "evil"--we are of Irish descent.
That said, the only drink I can remember having as a kid was "Cold Duck" during the holidays. I don't even know if "Cold Duck" was alcoholic or not. In addition, we would always have a sip of whatever it was they were drinking during family parties and it usually tasted disgusting.
When I was very little, I would get to suck on the ice cubes out of my grandmother's highball :) As a teen, I was infrequently allowed a wine cooler if my mom happened to be drinking one during the summer.
With my boys, I let them have a little sip if they are curious. They usually smile, giggle, and then go off and play.
My parents started drinking wine with dinner in the '70s when I was a teenager, and I was allowed to have a glass. I don't think I drank wine every night but it wasn't just a matter of holidays. I have been a moderate drinker ever since. I never went through a binge-drinking phase.
My one child is 13, and she's never had more than a sip of any alcoholic beverage. At some point over the next few years I guess I might start serving her a bit of wine. But there is so much more negative stuff out there in the culture about teen drinking, I'm not sure if I could be as comfortable with it as my parents were.
re: NYCkaren
all the more reason for you to teach her about alcohol and its presence on the table. That it's a normal thing for an adult to consume in moderation...and how to consume it in moderation.
Or you can keep her wrapped in cotton and bubblewrap until she goes away to school and decides to undertake a lifetime of alcohol education in a single weekend. As parents, we wake up screaming at night having nightmares about ANY of those scenarios.
It's not as interesting when it's not forbidden...or when you've been there and done that.
re: sunshine842
I agree with you about educating kids re: alcohol while they're still in their safe home environments, but what I think NYCkaren is talking about isn't the danger of teen drinking, it's the judgment and hypocrisy in our communities.
Last autumn, I went to a forum on teen partying, which was packed. Based on the comments, you'd have thought that every single parent there was raising their kids with the idea that no one should have a sip of alcohol until 21.
But the reality is very different. Most people I know do give their teens alcohol at home, but they'll confess it sheepishly to their friends. No one will stand up in public and say "why don't we have a comprehensive alcohol education program that really works? Or lobby to change these laws that clearly do not work?"
re: Isolda
I agree -- the laws reflect the idea that alcohol in itself is dangerous, rather than the idea that its excessive use and abuse are dangerous.
We were allowed a (small) glass of wine with Sunday and holiday dinners when I was a kid, I guess from age 12 or so. We would have a couple of sips, but what we really craved was a glass of ginger ale - soda was a much rarer treat! My mom is Italian, and her family used to make their own wine, but by the time I was a teenager I guess everyone was getting too old, and they just bought it.
I have 4 children of my own, and I've allowed them small amounts of wine with special meals from about the same age. All of my girls like wine, but my son, the eldest, can't stand it. He is now 18, and in college - I do allow him a single beer sometimes when he's home, such as when we're grilling hamburgers or steaks. I'm very clear with him that while he is allowed it at home, he's absolutely not at school. This is not because I don't think he can handle it, but because the consequenses are completely out of proportion with the offense.
re: nutmegr
<This is not because I don't think he can handle it, but because the consequences are completely out of proportion with the offense.>
That I think is one of the best message a parent can give a teenager. Not that something (drugs, sex, alcohol, etc.) is necessarily evil, but that there are consequences. And to plan their actions accordingly.
re: viperlush
I used to teach health education for college students, and that is more or less how I framed it for them as well. I couldn't tell them it was OK to drink alcohol before they turned 21 outright, so I just told them to understand the law, understand the physical and mental effects of alcohol, then make smart choices. When I was their age, making smart choices meant having a drink or two at parties in private homes, never in the dorm or at frat parties, and I absolutely never tried to buy alcohol when I was underage.
Prior to college, I was allowed to have a glass of champagne at special family events (weddings, major birthdays, New Years Eve). The first time I remember having more than a taste was at my mom and step-dad's wedding when I was 11. I was also allowed to have whatever beverages were legal for public consumption while traveling overseas (i.e. wine with dinner in Paris when I was 14). There was also one restaurant we frequented for special occasions that would discretely our half a glass for me when pouring wine for my parents. It was completely illegal, but they always offered, and I never turned it down.
This reminds me of something my grandma told me.
She was raised by her French grandfather and German grandmother, who she described as very "old world.' Her grandfather made his own wine. Her grandfather sent her to school with watered down wine to drink, in kindergarten lol. Apparently one day the teacher noticed and tried to have words with her grandfather, who of course stood his ground on the matter lol. So she continued with her watered down wine. She also told of a time she asked her grandfather why he never drank straight water, for he was always with a glass of wine. He told her "Because water will make your insides rust!"
The rule in that house and ever since in our family is you absolutely do not ever cook with a wine you would not drink. If you won't drink it, it is not fit to cook with.
As to myself, I was always welcome to a drink of mom's glass of wine, and in fact she encouraged me to try some. I never developed a taste for alcohol though. Mom used to take me wine tasting with her, and I would always eagerly sniff the glass, but each time I went to taste it I just couldn't get past the inherent alcohol flavour, at least not at that strength, though I am a huge fan of cooked dishes containing alcoholic ingredients; in fact a nice reduced white wine makes a great sauce in my opinion, and rum sauce is wonderful.
These days I can sip an occasional sweet Riesling, but I don't make a habit of it.
At least everybody can rest assured I will never be at risk of becoming an alcoholic lol
Not a drop, given that, back then, there was always plenty in the house as we owned a liquor store in Meriden CT.
Of course they did. I honestly find it a bit ridiculous that alchol is a forbidden substance until age 21 in the US. It doesn't seem to stop anyone from overindulging in it! My parents taught us about the pleasures of good wine when we were quite young. When we had guests, we'd have a taste of their wine, and a tiny glass of our own if we enjoyed it. My brother didn't, so he never even started drinking. And my father taught us the perils of overindulgence in it by (bad) example. I enjoy white wine, champagne, port and liquers, but I don't drink any more (DH is an alcoholic) and I don't really miss it. Sometimes I miss the very pleasant flavours of the aforementioned beverages, but I sure don't miss the alcohol.
In Australia, your parents were responsible for your alcohol intake as long as you were with them. I couldn't walk up to a bar and ask for a glass of wine, but if my parents ordered me one nobody would bat an eye. It's not like I was bathing in the stuff...
Certainly I drank alcohol at home with dinner on occasions as a child - from about the age of 14 or 15.
We have always offered alcohol to our nephews and nieces (from around the same age or a bit younger) on occasions when the adults are also having alcohol. It would seem odd to do otherwise.
re: Harters
Ah, but Harters, you are in the UK, are you not?
The attitude and culture regarding alcohol -is completely different to ours here in the states.
It is completely normal to offer young teens a bit of alcohol in the UK, but most Americans actually, would be horrified by it.
I remember when I first met my English hubby...\
While vacationing in Majorca, I met a very nice English woman. she was extremely well educated, and had a really impressive high powered job. We were having a good chat, when a very drunken young boy (15) came in to talk to her...she introduced me to her son.
He got another beer and carried on. She had a good chuckle about how drunk he was and continued our conversation.
I remember being absolutely appalled!
Honestly, I could not believe that this intelligent, well spoken, thoughtful woman would have such an attitude about her 15 year old son being drunk!
I remember speaking to my (future) husband about it, and he too, didn't see any big deal. I was incredulous!
It wasnt until I lived in the UK awhile that I realized that it IS no big deal to the English, it's simply a part of becoming an adult.
re: NellyNel
Yep, I'm in the UK. And I'd agree that we seem to have a generally different attitude towards alcohol here in Europe than many people in America seem to.
However, there is a world of difference between a child having a beer or two in the home, or a glass of wine or two with dinner in a restaurant and a child getting extremely drunk in public. That said, for the most part, I think most of us would regard getting drunk at a young age as something of a rite of passage. My father was only shocked at my first example of this because it took place in the pub he used to drink in - and thought I should have held my alcohol better there. He was right - we moved to different pub after that and left the old uns to their place.
Legal drinking age, for pubs and bars, in the UK is 18 (in line with our definition of adulthood), although I'd suggest that there has long been a tradition of young peopel being served in such places much younger. Certainly I had little problem being served at the age of 16 , back in the mid-1960s.
In contrast, it seemed most peculiar on our first trip to America in 1980 that one of our party, then aged 19 could get a beer with dinner.
"Under 21" only applies in the US, probably the only non-Muslim (or Hindu) country with such ridiculous drinking laws that allow young adults to enlist in the army or get married at 18, and drive much younger, but not have a drop of beer or wine. I live in Québec where the drinking age is 18 (and when I was young, it was not enforced at all). I believe that it is 19 in most of English Canada.
Yes, I was allowed to have a glass of wine with supper. We didn't really drink beer with meals, though sometimes my parents would have a glass on a hot day (I didn't like it). A small amount of good liquor at Christmastime.
What causes this bizarre attitude towards (moderate) use of beverages containing alcohol in the US? Is it the presence of religious fundamentalists? The prohibitionist undercurrent in MADD's campaigns? (I agree with MADD about strict drink-driving laws and enforcement, but there is a nasty fundie undercurrent in their literature that goes beyond that obvious safety measure).
It certainly hasn't contributed to more responsible drinking or public health.
Paraphrase of Menken's definition of a puritan: The haunting fear that somewhere, someone is enjoying themselves. Fortunately, when I was growing up, the legal drinking age in my NY State county was twelve years of age (with a learner's permit).
My folks would allow us wine on family occasions (namely Passover and NYE), but it wasn't a routine thing. However, my dad was pretty liberal about letting me have a beer with him once I was past 16, which was certainly not legal in CA., but it's not like we were in public or anything. : )


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Wednesday's news was heartbreaking for same-sex couples in Indiana and their supporters. The hundreds of marriages performed last month won't be recognized by the state, the governor has ruled.
Couples can take heart, however, in developments outside Indiana. Gov. Mike Pence might be able to delay the inevitable, but he can't stop it. In ruling after ruling, judges are recognizing the rights of gays and lesbians to marry.
Pence made no formal announcement of his decision, but a memo sent to state agency directors earlier this week directed them not to recognize the marriage licenses granted during a three-day period last month. That means that health benefits, state income tax filings and child custody rights can be denied until the issue is resolved in the courts.
The seismic shift that rattled Indiana began a year ago with the Supreme Court's ruling in United States vs. Windsor. While the ruling didn't directly address the issue of a state ban on gay marriage, the decision invalidated part of a federal law that denied benefits to same-sex couples legally married in their states and laid the groundwork for rulings across the country.
Since the Windsor decision, no state prohibition on same-sex marriage has been upheld in any court. The ruling has served as guidance that judges have interpreted as a strong argument in favor of extending the constitutional right to marry to gays and lesbians.
The pace of those rulings is astounding. Just 10 states and the District of Columbia recognized same-sex marriage a year ago. Today, it is 19 states and the District of Columbia. The Human Rights Campaign notes that almost 44 percent of the nation's population lives in states where same-sex marriage is legal.
Justice Samuel Alito weighed in on Wednesday, denying a request to halt same-sex marriage in Pennsylvania, where a federal judge had struck down the state's same-sex marriage ban in May. Unlike those in Indiana, where Attorney General Greg Zoeller and others quickly jumped to reinstitute the state's ban, Pennsylvania state officials announced almost immediately that they would not appeal the decision there.
A county clerk in Pennsylvania tried to take up defense of her state's ban, but the district court, the appeals court and, ultimately, Alito, declined to allow her to intervene. She could request a stay from another member of the Supreme Court, but legal observers say her request would likely be rejected.
Indiana is not the only state where marriage rights were extended and then taken away.
The ACLU has called the phenomenon "window period" marriages, occurring between a court order striking down a ban and the issuance of a stay.
About 1,000 marriages were performed in Utah during such a period. The state has now asked the Supreme Court to review the ban, setting the groundwork for the nation's highest court to speak directly to state bans.
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Laud the courage in Tim Tebow's stand
His role in a controversial Super Bowl ad should be praised rather than condemned
I went to church with Tim Tebow when he was a high school senior and I was a sports columnist in Orlando. I remember thinking then that once he got to the University of Florida, it was only a matter of time before he'd be studying from the Book of Happy Hour rather than the Book of Eli.
It's not that I thought Tebow wasn't being sincere when he stood before his Jacksonville church congregation and spoke passionately about what it was like to minister to orphans during his Christian missions overseas, or how he put his service to God above a high-profile football career.
I just thought: "He's young. He'll grow out of it."
Thankfully, he hasn't.
As most sports fans know, Tebow used his time at Florida not only to prove he's one of the greatest college football players ever, but also to promote his Christian values.
And as he transitions into professional football, Tebow is showing his values remain important to him, even with millions of dollars at stake now. But anytime you believe in something as strongly as Tebow does, it's bound to cause problems.
On Super Bowl Sunday, Tebow reportedly will appear in a commercial with his mother, Pam. But it won't be one of those deals where he and mom imitate the Manning brothers and challenge each other to an Oreo-licking contest.
The 30-second ad, which is being bankrolled by the conservative Christian group Focus on the Family, reportedly will feature Tim and Pam telling their story of his birth. While pregnant with Tim, her fifth child, Pam fell seriously ill during a mission in the Philippines. Her condition was so severe, doctors told Pam to have an abortion. She refused, obviously, and along came Tim, one of the most decorated players in college football history.
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The ad has created enormous controversy, to the point that one of the most popular college athletes ever all of a sudden has a brand new list of enemies that includes more than just his former SEC opponents. Special interest groups, including several noted feminists, and the media have criticized the Tebows for ruining their de facto national holiday; and CBS has been called hypocritical because, in the past, the network has declined to air such advocacy commercials during Super Bowl Sunday.
The critics say the Tebows and CBS will be airing a strong anti-abortion message that, in addition, suggests to women they won't put their lives at risk if they ignore medical professionals and follow the path that Tebow's parents took.
Feminists suggesting women can't think for themselves? Talk about irony.
It's a serious reach; but let's put our religious and political beliefs aside for a moment and put Tebow's participation in this ad in its proper context.
It's his first major national ad since leaving the Gators, and he isn't hawking Nikes, energy drinks or candy bars. Instead, he's putting himself in the middle of one of the most divisive issues in this country -- and on the biggest sporting day of the year.
Just think about that.
If you thought Tebow's jump pass, or that fire-and-brimstone speech he gave following Florida's loss to Ole Miss in 2008 was unbelievable, this should be considered downright extraordinary.
In today's sports climate, expressing an opinion often results in serious backlash. In some cases, an athlete's choosing to do what Tebow is doing might be professional suicide.
Tebow's decision to appear in this ad should be considered just as courageous as Muhammad Ali's decision to not enter the draft, or Tommie Smith's and John Carlos' black power salute at the 1968 summer Olympics.
No, I'm not kidding.
And yes, I'd say that if Tebow were appearing in an ad that advocated a pro-choice position.
Ali, Smith and Carlos championed their views at a time when not everyone supported the idea of equality, and when refusing to serve your country was considered blasphemous. Their views, to put it mildly, were thought to be inappropriate, militant and, in Ali's case, completely anti-patriotic.
And while abortion has been legal in America since 1973, it remains a toxic issue in our society. A large percentage of women will tell you they don't like anyone telling them what to do with their bodies. People have lost their lives fighting for and against abortion, and now here comes a college football player and his mother joining the emotional debate.
Obviously, the Tebows aren't likely in danger of facing the grim repercussions that Ali, Smith and Carlos suffered -- Ali risked prison, while Smith and Carlos were outcasts for decades -- but the detractors are lining up to malign the Tebows, and I'll bet some companies with endorsement opportunities will avoid him going forward.
In a letter sent to Les Moonves, head of the CBS Corporation, and then made public, Gloria Allred, the famous feminist lawyer, threatened to file a formal complaint about misleading advertising if the network does not disclose that abortions have been illegal in the Philippines since 1930. Allred's letter suggests the Tebows' account of the decision not to abort isn't the full version.
"This is not just another ad," Allred wrote. "Women's lives are at stake. No woman should have to live in a country where abortion is illegal as it once was in the U.S."
Terry O' Neill, the president of the National Organization of Women, also released a statement, saying the "goal of Focus on the Family ad is not to empower women."
The specific contents of the ad have yet to be confirmed, but in the minds of some special-interest groups and media critics, it immediately takes Tebow from college football hero to a misogynist worthy of the presidency of Spanky's He-Man Woman Haters Club in the old TV show "The Little Rascals."
We often commend athletes for taking a stand -- as long as it's a stand with which most of us agree. The minute they start pushing a social agenda that conflicts with our own, we tell them to shut up.
We acted like Tiger Woods and LeBron James were the second coming of Martin Luther King Jr. and Gandhi because Woods voiced his support for President Barack Obama and James condemned the war in Darfur. I don't mean to belittle their opinions, but supporting Obama and condemning genocide isn't exactly joining the Black Panther party.
It's far more impressive when a person in Tebow's position chooses a lonelier path. I'm not trying to turn Tebow into a martyr -- plenty have already tried that -- but I can't imagine the difficulty of putting yourself in front of millions of people and telling them something that at least half of them vehemently oppose. It seems like a certain way to be labeled as some kind of zealous, religious nut job.
But I'd rather see an athlete behave with conviction than degrade himself to make money. I'd rather hear Tebow talk about what God has done for him than read another story about an athlete who beats up his wife or girlfriend.
Tebow could use his platform strictly for financial benefit. Instead, he's chosen to use it to speak openly about his Christian beliefs -- even if it means admitting to the world that the big man on campus is a virgin, as he did at the SEC's media day last summer.
Some people prefer that their athletes just make tackles, hit home runs and drain 3-pointers, and keep quiet about what they believe is right and wrong. And while I'll concede that not every athlete is suited to push a social agenda, I'd like to think we live in a society where the right to speak your mind is still valued -- regardless of whether you throw a perfect 30-yard rope or can run the 40-yard dash in 4.5 seconds. We're not always going to agree with each other, but we shouldn't feel comfortable promoting the idea that athletes shouldn't bother us with their silly opinions.
I'm a big fan of people who live the way they talk. You may not believe Tebow will become an NFL quarterback. You may think the media fawns over him way too much. And you may think he's overrated.
But the one thing you can never say about Tim Tebow is that he's a fake.
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Brazil's antitrust authority may change merger reporting requirements for investment funds after complaints that the regulations, which took effect three months ago, are too sweeping.
"We are talking to capital-markets associations and lawyers in Brazil and abroad," said Carlos Ragazzo, general superintendent of Cade, as the authority is known. The goal is to "bring to the board the possibility of change in the regulation for funds as a way to improve the legal procedure," Ragazzo said in an interview.
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Daniel Bryant Gray was sentenced Friday in the Aug. 28 death of 3-month-old Jamison Gray.
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He had faced a possible prison sentence ranging from probation to 12 ½ years, though his plea agreement limited his sentence to no more than six years.
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The creeps and manipulators are back for another episode of '90 Day Fiance.' (What's most interesting is that though the women are who you'd think are doing the scamming, it's the men who seem to be really taking advantage of the situation.)
90 Day Fiance Recap
Alan and Kirlyam
It's time for a modeling meeting! Alan is super jealous, but Kirlyam is naive and a happy little girl to think about being a big model. A test shoot is set up, and Kirlyam is excited. But not Alan. He's worried about the "racy" photos. Alan is ready to put his foot down about what Kirlyam can and can't do…as he's Mormon. (Has Kirlyam has become a Mormon yet? Wait, no, she's already Mormon. Or, so says the internet.)
Alan's Mom asks Kirlyam about getting to see the wedding dress. But Kirlyam says "no." Mrs. Mom says she is asking because she has to make sure it is modest enough for their Mormon ways. Kirlyam says her Mom gave her the dress, so it's very special. She goes on to explain that it's a special thing between her and her Mom.
Kirlyam goes to her photo shoot. The first photo set is about soccer. (Cleavage is there.) Alan calls her, but she doesn't pick up (cause she's working.) Because he's a control sock monkey, he shows up at the shoot like an intrusive predator. Russ says that seeing men stare at his fiance is "hard to stomach." The good news for Kirlyam is that she looks gorgeous in her pictures. He tells her, "You look too pretty when you model. Too pretty. I don't like it."
The agents want to book Kirlyam for photos, and Alan is bothered. He tries to scare her that if he has to work and she has to go to a shoot, that she might not be okay. He seems to want her to stay close to him, and – he wants to control her and be his. He doesn't care about keeping her safe, he just wants to scare her into not doing anything he doesn't want her to do.
Alan decides that 90 days is too long (even though all fo the other couples keep saying that 90 days isn't enough time.) Alan doesn't like not being able to have Kirlyam in his bed at night, though. So he says they must get married faster. To keep his hands latched around her, presumably.
Russ and Paola
"I want her to feel completely at home, ASAP," shares Russ. So he wants her to like football and get into the community. But he, once again, suffers the "I have to wait forever" thing that guys hate about girls. Paola seems to think her diva attitude is cute, but Russ always seems genuinely annoyed. They finally get on the road to go to a tailgate.
Paola shares that she doesn't think she will like "the football game" and is worried she's "gonna disappoint Russ."
Most American girls who don't like sports just don't bother with it, and they don't let their man make them try. The fact that Paola is even trying is pretty nice. Russ needs to stop trying to control Paola so much. But Paola also needs to stop trying to use him like a human ATM. So, they've both got stuff to work on.
Paola had a wedding day in mind – December 7th – but it's a big game day so Russ has said no way to that.
"I don't understand why this football game is more important than my wedding." – Paola, making a fair point
Russ also tries to explain tailgating. Paola has no idea what the tents and food are for. She thinks it's a barbeque. Which she also doesn't do.
(I get the feeling that if she was in the position to complain, she'd do none of this for Russ. She's not in love with him, either. There's no chemistry. But he's a way to be in America. She wants a rich life. She doesn't yet realize exactly how "rich" Russ really is.)
Russ's work is calling him away. Suddenly, it seems clear why Paola picked Russ as her American husband. He works far away quite often. Uh-huh.
Mike and Aziza
They finally DID IT. Probably because Aziza knew she was about to lose his trust in her. Of all the couples, this is the one that screams "GREEN CARD" the most. Aziza doesn't seem into Mike at all. (AT ALL.) And Mike is such a scummy person. He even looks like a horny creep, salivating, every time he's on screen. He also has no respect for Aziza, as he explains that if his friends get him a stripper there's nothing she can do about it.
Later, Aziza goes to a salon with her future bridesmaids (two women she doesn't know.) They're Mike's sister, and someone else. (Kelli and Amy.) These two girls kind of ditch Aziza, and grill her about "getting cold feet." (Those jerks.) As Aziza sits to get her hair done, Kelli and Amy gossip about her.
The Bachelor and Bachelorette parties are in full swing. We've already seen that Mike enjoys getting Aziza jealous. He seems interested in going to a strip club now that Aziza is completely against it. Mike's friends can't believe that Aziza thinks she can tell him he can't go to one. (This just in: Mike's friends are all single losers.)
Meanwhile, Aziza is taken out to "World of Beer" to do shots she doesn't want to do. So, it's her bachelorette party but she doesn't even like beer, so of course they took her here. (Though I dislike Aziza, I felt so bad for her during this episode.) Mike's Mom (who looks very New Jersey) gets drunk (and smokes inside the restaurant, so apparently Cleveland doesn't have to abide by the Ohio smoking ban,) and starts insulting Aziza. She even says that Aziza is going to feed Mike's entire family rat poison the day after the wedding. … Wow.
Louis and Aya
As soon as she's been stateside, Aya has been unhappy with the state of things not being clean or nice enough. But Louis has two kids, so he has no excess money.
Because Aya has left her entire life behind, she says she wants her wedding to be "extra special."
They go wedding dress shopping. A snag is hit when the dress she wants is over $300… Realistically, that's a really inexpensive wedding dress! Do they even come cheaper than that? It turns out that the store (The Perfect Stitch) is willing to give her the gown for $300, the veil for $75,a nd the alterations would be $125.00. It's extremely reasonable. But Louis feels blindsided.
When he'd said the dress had to be under $300, apparently he meant the entire bridal outfit. (And they haven't even discussed shoes, yet.)
Louis explains that because he's just paid rent, he can't afford the dress. Aya is pissed. That's the dress she wants.
"Maybe we should just wait until I actually have the money in my damn hands." – Louis
90 Day Fiance – Real or Fake?
Every week we try to figure out if any of these relationships are for real. I do think that the couples are real, and they really did come over here and are all engaged. But I don't think the "love" is real.
But it starts to get complicated. Paola and Aziza both showed emotion in this episode. (Aya did too, but only over not getting the wedding dress she wants.) However, Paola and Aziza seem to only like their respective men as an extention of what the men represent (life in America, money, a better life.) So these two become linked, and the women do care about the guys, at least enough to keep up a charade. (Paola is gritting her teeth about everything. Aziza is glum…)
We have Kirlyam… she's naive and sweet and innocent. But for a girl who loves her family so much, it seems odd that she'd ever leave them. Also, she doesn't seem to like Alan at all. Even though I hate to think anything bad of her, it seems like she's actually scamming Alan after all. She's going to give herself to him as long as she can have this life in America. No matter what she has to endure. In fact, that's how all of these women are acting. They are relinquishing their opinions and voices to do whatever will make these men happy enough to marry them.
P.S. Who is Len and Alina and where are they? Are they no longer on the show because there's SCANDAL?
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I so want to watch this episode. I'm really curious about the Paola and Russ situation. Some people online have researched Paola and found that before she decided to marry Russ, she attended one of the best schools in Colombia and traveled the world as a model and shoe designer. She's actually pretty smart, well traveled and cultured. I get the feeling that if she wanted to come to America, she could get a visa just on her own talents and after traveling the world, she should be savvy enough to not be impressed by someone probably making 50-60k a year.
I think that Alan and Kirylam truly care for one another but the relationship when it was just her and him, and she was with her family, and he would visit her was this protective bubble from the world. Now that Kirylam is in LA, and Hollywood is calling, she's starting to see she could have another life and with Alan trying to hold on by smothering her, she's way more likely to leave. She seemed so hurt by his criticisms. I love when she does the jaunty signal for 'yes sir' when she's being lectured. Keep that spirit alive!!
To be fair, I don't doubt Aya was sincere when she hugged him and said I love you too. If she is faking, then she is a very good actress. Aziza, on the other hand, can't conceal the disgust on her face for her hapless loser fiance.
Paola is your typical upper middle class Colombian girl. I'm not sure why you keep thinking she is in the US for 'a better life'. She probably has a pretty damn good one in Colombia. I think she genuinely likes Russ. She has probably been to the US a boat load of times too… each time to Miami or Disney. If Russ is a petroleum engineer, he is defo making near 6 figures or more people. Not sure why he is complaining about the money.
Aziza run from the wicked Witch of the West and run from Mike who wants to do what HE wants to, with no consideration for you. Run..
6 figures or more and complaining about what 1200/month rent? makes no sense- when they were looking at the apartments I thought it was going to be around 3K the way they made it seem…I think he makes a lot less than that, based on the truck he drives and the apartment he freaked out about.
oh Jessica Rae , his mom doesn't look very Jersey-ish, think Housewives of NJ, totally gaudy style but they don't look like crackheads- I think she looks like a typical mid western spent white trash.
If Paola is an upper middle class, then whey is she trying to boss Russ around into buying her so many things he says he can't afford? Does she plan to get a job…or did she have a job back home? It seems like she wants to relax and do nothing and try to have a sugar daddy.
I'd agree with that, Cathie. Either way….gurlfriend hasn't seem to ever meet a moisturizer in her life. Her face!
I couldn't agree more. Mike doesn't care about what Aziza wants, at all. It's sad.
You couldn't have phrased this any more perfectly than you did, Heidi. Alan cares for Kirlyam, and she cares for him, but she also doesn't realize how great life can be. And Alan doesn't want her to find out.
Russ complains because he is a cheapskate. He seems like a decent guy otherwise, and definitely understands that Paola is HOT!!! Another problem for him is that she may be from Colombia, but that doesn't mean she's not sophisticated, much more than he is. I give them the best chance of the group.
The other guys are just plain slimy and/or immature jealous control freaks. Ultra-cheapo Louis… Jeez, what does he do with his money that he can't afford an extra $200 for a once in a lifetime event? MacDonald's french-fry specialist?
And Alan just pisses me off. Kirylam is stunning, but he's so insecure and the way he hides behind mom and religion…
How is it possible for Kirlyam to be working as a model? I thought a work permit for a K1 visa took a minimum of 3 months following getting married.
The mother was a drunken mess. I feel sorry for Aziza. It's to bad there is no one to run to for Aziza. Who'll be there for her? You can see this guy treating her like garbage right now. Playing head games immediately. Let her at least gain some kind of friendships so she not so controlled and isolated. He's looking for some one right the opposite of his mother. He wants all control. His mom is a mouthy low class piece of wrong. Loud and controlling. Thats a booze face if I ever saw one. I pray Aziza finds a true friend quickly, just in case!!!!
That's a VERY good point!!
Louis is such a cheapskate – I would not leave my country and family for a cheapskate!
she's so pretty..i hope she realizes her potential
Amen to that! And creepy about it, too!
Plus he was living with his parents all this time. He must have socked away a small fortune.
She would have to wait years to get here on a permanent visa. This is the quick way. She may also be hoping Hollywood will come calling once they see her on the show. I have no doubt she has ulterior motives. I wonder if she still runs her shoe business.
I just peeked on there and the picture on her page is of her and Alan looking as if they just got married…all dressed holding a certificate.
Thanks for sharing that. IMO she's cunning enough to realize if Russ divorces her after 2 years, she'll have alimony to tide her over
without working for awhile. However, it does seem odd, if true, for a model & shoe designer, she doesn't contribute money of her own to make up the difference in price for her deluxe tastes.
Kali memant if you scroll down, you'll see what appears to be Kirlyam & a man &
That other man—which can be seen by scrolling down—appears to be from a play or tv scene she was in. It looks quite theatrical. There's even ababy in a crib. Believe me, if she really DID leave a baby & husband/bf behind, it would have been discovered. SHe was in such a snit about her parents not beiong at the wedding, do you trhink she'd neglect a baby?
As an American born girl, I LOVE all the lessons these guys are learning by assuming foreign brides are better! At the very least, we expect to pay for our own wedding dress & 1/2 the rent. And if I were the groom's parents, I'd hire an investigator to research the brides background for crime & finances.
She's not stupid. I'll bet she already made plans to bring over family.
Any 1/2way decent immigration lawyer can figure out a hardship Visa for them.
I can pretty well see Aziza crying it out privately for 2 years,
then if she still wants to stay, getting pregnant to hold off returning home. She can live on the alimony & child support
& meet an ex-patriate from the U.S. the same way she met Mike.
Any woman would get nauseous looking at Mike & Louis, especially Louis's thatch on his chin which doesn't add anything. Mike looks like an overweight slob who probably smells.
That picture is NOT her it's from harry potter.@kali Good job super sluth
the picture you think is her is from Harry Potter.
I'm sorry, but it's not being in a "snit" about her parents not able to come to her wedding. My gosh, what daughter wouldn't be upset if her mom wasnt their to just help her and love her. Don't forget the brides father giving the bride away…
Ya know? I'm saying this with a kind tone:)
I really think they are in love after seeing the real photos
I also found the Facebook for the photographer that did Russ and Paola's wedding and they have posts to a blog with many more pictures! Facebook/andibravophotography
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Pronunciation: aardig
Added on: 2008-12-17 Listened: 684 timesin: adjective, bijvoeglijk naamwoord
Pronunciation in Dutch [nl]
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- Could you do it better? different accent? Pronounce aardig in Dutch
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aardig = nice
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