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Formed: 1979
From: Chicago, IL, United States
Last Known Status: Active
Latest Trouble News
Below is our complete Trouble news coverage, including columns and articles pertaining to the band. Some articles listed may be indirectly related, such as side projects of the band members, etc.
Note: We began associating news directly with bands in late 2003. Therefore, earlier band news may not be listed on this page.
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Retro Grave Seek Bassist
TROUBLE drummer Jeff "Oly" Olson is seeking a bass player to record and tour with his RETRO GRAVE project. Interested parties can contact RETRO GRAVE's management at email@example.com for details of where to send the press kit.
RETRO GRAVE's full-length debut, "Again", is scheduled for release in the spring. These recordings will feature collaborations with established, high-profile musicians whose identities have not yet been revealed.
"Again" will be released in time for TROUBLE's appearance at the Roadburn Festival on April 18, 2008 at the 013 club in Tilburg, The Netherlands. Olson is currently writing an exclusive RETRO GRAVE "studio report" for the Roadburn web site, to be posted in the very near future at www.roadburn.com.
In other news, the previously announced re-arrangement of TROUBLE's "Run to the Light" album (originally issued in 1987 via Metal Blade) will now be recorded by TROUBLE rather than RETRO GRAVE. Details of this exciting project will be revealed soon.
Trouble Announce European Tour Dates
TROUBLE Schedules European Tour Dates - Nov. 7, 2007
Legendary Chicago doomsters TROUBLE will team up with DRAGONLORD and COVERED CALL for a European tour in April 2008. Confirmed dates are as follows:
Apr. 08 - ITA Bologna Estragon
Apr. 09 - I Treviso New Age
Apr. 10 - CH Zürich Rohstofflager
Apr. 11 - BE Vosselaar Biebob
Apr. 12 - DE Essen Turock
Apr. 13 - DE Hamburg Markthalle
Apr. 15 - DE Hannover Musikzentrum
Apr. 16 - DE Frankfurt Batschkapp
Apr. 17 - DE Saarbrücken Roxy
Apr. 18 - NL Tilburg 013 / Roadburn Festival *
* TROUBLE only
As previously reported, TROUBLE will begin shipping its long-awaited "Unplugged" CD on December 15. The first 100 copies to be sold will be signed by the band. Pre-orders are being accepted now via the NewTrouble.com web site.
The track listing for the "classic" portion of the "Unplugged" CD is as follows:
01. Misery Shows Act II
02. Flowers
03. Rain
04. Requiem
05. Tragedy Man
+ two new tracks
TROUBLE will release a live album of its 2005 performance in Stockholm, Sweden early next year via Escapi Music. The CD will reportedly be filled with lots of bonus material. More information will be made available soon.
Wet Animal To Begin Work On New Album
WET ANIMAL, the Illinois-based act featuring TROUBLE guitarist Rick Wartell, have issued the following update:
"Wet Animal will begin pre-production with Neil Kernon as producer starting in December, 2007.
The recording of the band's 2nd CD, Get Bit, will begin January, 2008 and will be released the spring of 2008. Tours will follow.
The new material is fucking incredible and now the production will be as well."
More Details On Retro Grave's Trouble Re-make
Jeff "Oly" Olson (TROUBLE, RETRO GRAVE) has tapped Vincent Wojno (TROUBLE, MACHINE HEAD, KREATOR, TESTAMENT) to produce and engineer the first two RETRO GRAVE albums. The debut CD, now simply titled "Run", is a re-arrangement of TROUBLE's "Run to the Light" (originally issued in 1987 via Metal Blade). Special guests on the "Run" album include former TROUBLE bassist Ron Holzner; members of RISE TO ADDICTION, TROUBLE and NOVEMBERS DOOM; Kyle Thomas (ALABAMA THUDERPUSSY, EXHORDER, FLOODGATE); Leif Edling (CANDLEMASS); Sammy Duet (GOATWHORE, ACID BATH); and up-and-coming guitarist Mike "Rebeard" Schermuly.
"Run" is currently being recorded for an early 2008 release. A record deal is being nogotiated, the details of which will be announced in the very near future.
Kyle Thomas briefly fronted TROUBLE in 1999 and is "a welcome addition to the 'Run' album," says Olson. "All of my guests are very talented musicians that I'm psyched to work with, especially my new friends from the UK, RISE TO ADDICTION [who toured with TROUBLE in Europe earlier this year]. These guys are hard-working and extremely talented group of guys, as [is] my new permanent guitarist, Mike 'Redbeard' Schermuly from Portland, Maine."
Samples from the debut RETRO GRAVE EP can be heard at retrogravemusic.com
Trouble Drummer To Remake "Run To The Light"
TROUBLE/RETRO GRAVE drummer Jeff "Oly" Olson is planning to record a remake of TROUBLE's 1987 LP "Run to the Light" (Metal Blade Records). Olson says, "It will be compilation of some of my favorite top metal recording artists, (guest stars to be announced) with a real heavy sound that I'm excited to record... 'Run to the Light' is the only TROUBLE album that I didn't play drums on and it's my favorite."
"Run to the Light" featured drummer Dennis Lesh, who replaced Olson after he left TROUBLE to pursue a Bachelor of Music degree in Film Scoring at Berklee College of Music in Boston.
In other news, Olson will take part in an online chat at his web site, www.RetroGraveMusic.com, every Tuesday evening at 10:00 p.m. EST to discuss his "weekly instructional drumming tips" and future plans for RETRO GRAVE and TROUBLE.
Trouble Guitarist Explains CD Delay
StonerRock.com recently conducted an interview with TROUBLE guitarist Bruce Franklin. An excerpt from the interview follows:
StonerRock.com: First up, why reunite and give it another go?
Bruce: "I think everyone had time to get away from TROUBLE and work on their own music — LID, SUPERSHINE, WET ANIMAL. Someone asked us to play a one-time show. We did and it felt good! So after a few years apart everyone kind of felt a passion to try and do TROUBLE again. Being a few years older and wiser didn't hurt either."
StonerRock.com: You just got done touring the U.S. and Europe. Overall, which treated you better?
Bruce: "Both were really good. It was a pleasant surprise to see so many longtime TROUBLE-heads turn out. Europe may have a slight edge, because the smallest shows were still bigger than the smallest American shows. The cool thing is that people seem to really respect the band at this point in time. Probably more because we're old than anything else."
StonerRock.com: [The new TROUBLE album] "Simple Mind Condition" has had its [North American] release date pushed back repeatedly. What's with the delays?
Bruce: "Contrary to some of the crazy rumors, it really comes down to record company red tape and financial crap. On the band's part, the record has been done for over a year."
StonerRock.com: Do you think the constant reshuffling will have a negative effect, in the sense that eventually people will ultimately just stop caring about a new TROUBLE album and just download it?
Bruce: "It seems so. As usual, TROUBLE has all the luck. Bad luck! On the positive side the new record is out in Europe and is supposed to be out in August in the States. Even better is that it's a good record. Of course every band will say their new record is good. I'm not a bullshitter though, and 'Simple Mind Condition' isn't the best record we have made, but it is a good record that should be heard by anyone that likes what TROUBLE does."
Read the entire interview at www.stonerrock.com.
Trouble Drummer To Launch Solo EP In Early June
TROUBLE drummer Jeff "Oly" Olson will launch his debut RETRO GRAVE EP, and new web site this Tuesday, June 5. The self-titled EP, "Retro Grave" is Olson's first solo project that will include five tracks with all instruments and vocals recorded by Olson. The song "Kid Ignoble", originally recorded for the "Retro Grave" EP, has been pulled so that Chuck Robinson (TROUBLE bassist) can tweak it with Olson and release it on Olson's debut full-length, titled "Again", to be released in early 2008.
Jeff "Oly" Olson is currently on tour with TROUBLE in Europe for their "2007 Simple Mind Condition Tour" which will include the closing night at the three-day Sweden Rock Festival on June 9, opening for MOTÖRHEAD and SCORPIONS.
Previews of the "Retro Grave" EP are available at www.myspace.com/retrograve. The EP will be available to purchase when the web site and EP launch on Tuesday, June 5 at RetroGraveMusic.com.
Rise To Addiction Set Release Date, Plan Tour
Fast rising UK band RISE TO ADDICTION will release their debut album 'A New Shade Of Black For The Soul' through Mausoleum Records on 14th May 2007 in the UK and 18th May in the rest of Europe.
The album was recorded at Backstage Studios and The Cell in England during 2006.The tracking was handled by Rise To Addiction while the final mix and production was completed by Andy Sneap (Machine Head, Killswitch Engage, Trivium, Megadeth).
The full track listing is:
A New Shade
Cold Season
Moth To A Flame
Falling As One
One Sweet Minute
This Ride
Everlasting Wave
I Follow
To A God Unknown
The Hive
The cover artwork and sleeve design has been completed by the bands guitarist John Slater.
Always willing to push their musical boundaries, Rise To Addiction enlisted the help of avant-garde pianist Mike Garson on one of the songs. Mike, who is known for his work with greats such as David Bowie, Smashing Pumpkins and Nine Inch Nails, wrote and recorded the piano interlude for the song 'Fessonia'.
Commenting on the recording, vocalist Leigh Oates said that "We've really pushed the envelope on this album, it's been a long time in the making and we're all beyond proud of the end result."
Speaking about Mike Garson's involvement guitarist John Slater added "I've been a massive fan of Mike's ever since I heard his work on David Bowies' Aladdin Sane and to have him play on this album is just fantastic! I can't wait for you all to hear it!"
Rise To Addiction will tour in support of the release. They have been confirmed as special guests to legendary Chicago doom metal band TROUBLE on their forthcoming European tour in May. The bands full tour schedule is as follows: More...
Rise To Addiction To Support Trouble On Tour
Up and coming UK rockers RISE TO ADDICTION have announced details of high profile European tour in May and June. The band have been confirmed as special guests for legendary Chicago doomsters TROUBLE on their forthcoming 'Simple Mind Condition European Tour.'
Dates confirmed for the band are:
May 26 - HOLLAND Den Bosch - W2 May
May 27 - HOLLAND Amsterdam -Melkweg
May 28 - UK Wolverhampton - Wulfrun
May 29 - UK Leeds - Rio's
May 30 - UK London - Scala
May 31 - FRANCE Paris - Le Nouveau Casino
June 1 - GERMANY Aschaffenburg - Colos Saal June
June 2 - GERMANY München - Backstage
June 4 - HUNGARY Budapest - A38
June 5 - GERMANY Nürnberg - Hirsch
June 6 - SWITZERLAND Pratteln - Z7
June 7 - GERMANY Essen - Zeche Carl
June 8 - GERMANY Hamburg -Markthalle
The band Leigh Oates (vocals), John Slater (guitar), Steve Wray (guitar), Joel Graham (bass guitar) and Aynsley Dickinson (drums) recently signed a worldwide deal with legendary Belgium metal label MAUSOLEUM RECORDS. The bands' debut album 'A New Shade Of Black For The Soul, was produced by Andy Sneap (MACHINE HEAD, KILLSWITCH ENGAGE, TRIVIUM, MEGADETH) and is scheduled for release in May.
RISE TO ADDICTION, whose music is described as a distinctive modern sound with melody and slab heavy riffing, released its self-titled EP in 2005 through Madman Records. Also produced by Andy Sneap, it features three tracks — "Falling As One", "Everlasting Wave", "To A God Unknown" — and also includes the promo video for the EP's opening track. You can check out some of their material on their MySpace page.
Trouble Announce More U.S. Tour Dates
Veteran Chicago doom metallers TROUBLE have added a few U.S. dates in March in support of their new CD, "Simple Mind Condition". The group's schedule is now shaping up as follows:
Mar. 15 - Chicago, IL - TBA
Mar. 16 - Chicago, IL - TBA
Mar. 17 - Milwaukee, WI @ Vriuk's Lounge
Mar. 19 - Nashville, TN @ The Muse
Mar. 20 - Huntington, WV @ Huntington Music Hall
Mar. 21 - Fayetteville, NC @ Jesters Pub
Mar. 22 - Springfield, VA @ Jaxx
Mar. 23 - Poughkeepsie, NY @ Chance Theater
Mar. 24 - Bedford, NH @ Mark's Place
Mar. 25 - New York, NY @ B.B. King
Mar. 26 - Hartford, CT @ Webster Underground
Mar. 28 - Toronto, ON @ Lee's Palace
Mar. 29 - Cleveland, OH @ Peabody's
Mar. 30 - Detroit, MI @ I Rock Nightclub
Mar. 31 - Mokena, IL @ Pearl Room
May 24 - GRE - Athens - Underworld Club
May 26 - NL - Den Bosch - W2
May 27 - NL - Amsterdam - Melkweg
May 29 - UK - Bradford - Rio
May 30 - UK - Wolverhampton - Wulfrun
May 31 - F - Paris - Le Nouveau Casino
Jun. 01 - CH - Pratteln - Z7
Jun. 02 - GER - München - Backstage
Jun. 03 - HUN - Budapest - A 38
Jun. 05 - GER - Nürnberg - Hirsch
Jun. 06 - GER - Aschaffenburg - Colos Saal
Jun. 07 - GER - Essen - Zeche Carl
Jun. 08 - GER - Hamburg - Markthalle
Jun. 09 - SWE - Sölvesborg - Sweden Rock Festival
Jul. 23 - The Loft - Poughkeepsie, NY
Trouble Release Initial Tour Dates
Chicago based doom legends TROUBLE appear to be planning a North American tour next year, with the first dates to be released being as follows:
March 25 - New York, NY @ B.B. King Blues Club
March 28 - Toronto, ON @ Lee's Palace
Trouble Rerelease Two Albums
Troublle's label, Escapi Music, will be reissuing two of their albums. "Psalm 9" from 1984 and "The Skull" from 1985, scheduled for an October 24th release, will be digitally remastered and feature a DVD which includes live perfomances and photos with linear notes.
Escapi Music are also releasing Trouple's upcoming album, "Simple Mind Condition", the band's first since 1995. "Simple Mind Condition" is due out Februrary 2007.
A Trouble DVD is also being released in early 2007. The title will be "Live in Stockholm".
Exhorder's Status Is "Permanently Disbanded"
Long-defunct New Orleans metallers EXHORDER — cited by many as the originators of the riff-heavy power-groove approach popularized by PANTERA — have issued an official statement in response to persistent rumors that the band will get back together to play select shows and/or record a new studio album. The statement reads as follows:
"In response to all the email requests and offers for EXHORDER to get back together and/or to play shows we would like to thank everyone for all the support and encouragement but EXHORDER will NOT be getting back together. Sad to say, but the official status of EXHORDER is 'permanently disbanded.'"
EXHORDER relased two albums in the early 1990s through the Roadrunner label — 1990's "Slaughter in the Vatican" and 1992's "The Law" — (later released as a 2-in-1 package from Roadrunner Records) before breaking up, with vocalist Kyle Thomas going on to form FLOODGATE (and also briefly appearing live as the vocalist for TROUBLE). Thomas is now devoting most of his time to his new band PITTS VS PREPS, which he has described as "center[ing] around the truest sound of heavy metal in the realm of old JUDAS PRIEST and IRON MAIDEN."
Complete Lineup Confirmed For NEMHF 2006
The full lineup for the 8th Annual New England Metal and Hardcore Festival, which is sponsored this year by ESP Guitars and Krank Amps, has been confirmed.
The three-day festival at The Palladium in Worcester, MA, will feature headliners Lacuna Coil, Black Dahlia Murder, and Between the Buried and Me on Friday, April 28. Arch Enemy, Chimaira, and Exodus will headline Saturday, April 29. Headliners for Sunday, April 30 are Gamma Ray and DragonForce.
UK-based DragonForce will be making its first-ever American appearance at the festival. Italy's Lacuna Coil and Sweden's Arch Enemy will be making return appearances at the New England Metal and Hardcore Festival, after stellar performances at the 2003 and 2002 editions of the festival.
"It's fantastic to be a part of what is quite possibly the best U.S. metal fest around!" said Arch Enemy guitarist Mike Amott. "This is our third time playing the New England Metal and Hardcore fest and it's always a pleasure. It's held in a great venue with great fans."
"It is an honor for us to be one of this year's headliners at the New England Metal and Hardcore festival," said vocalist Andrea Ferro. "We are more than ready for it. We can't wait."
Bands confirmed for Friday (listed alphabetically) are: A Life Once Lost, A Perfect Murder, Alarum, Arsis, Between The Buried And Me, Black Dahlia Murder, Cephalic Carnage, Dead To Fall, Demiricous, Ed Gein, From A Second Story Window, Haste The Day, If Hope Dies, Lacuna Coil, Ligeia, Necrophagist, Neuraxis, Nodes Of Ranvier, Ringworm, Scarlet, Still Remains, Suicide Silence, The Absence, Thine Eyes Bleed and Through The Eyes Of The Dead.
Saturday's bands include 100 Demons, Arch Enemy, At All Cost, Caliban, Chimaira, Colin Of Arabia, Cryptopsy, Damnation AD, Death Threat, Embrace The End, Exodus, First Blood, Full Blown Chaos, God Forbid, Hate Eternal, Immolation, Into The Moat, Ion Dissonance, Overcast, Ramallah, Remembering Never, Righteous Jams, Scars Of Tomorrow, Shoot To Kill, Since The Flood, Skinless, Spitfire, Suffocation, Sworn Enemy, Terror, The Acacia Strain, The Classic Struggle, The JonBenet, and Turmoil.
Sunday's lineup is: A Love End Suicide, Bloodlined Calligraphy, Born Victim, Bronx Casket Company, Burn In Silence, Byzantine, Cannae, Cellador, Doom Raider, DragonForce, Folly, Gamma Ray, Goat Horn, Hypersolid, Inked In Blood, Into Eternity, Light This City, Losa, Mercury Switch, On Broken Wings, Phoenix Morning, Protest The Hero, Sanctity, The Miles Between, Torn Asunder, Trouble, Twelve Tribes, Who Killed The Prom Queen, Wolf, xdeathstarx, and xlooking forwardx.
Talent is subject to change.
The 8th Annual New England Metal and Hardcore Festival is also sponsored by Prosthetic Records, 2nd Stage sponsor; Revolver Magazine, exclusive magazine partner and creator of the official event program; Facedown Records, sponsor of street marketing efforts; FUSE TV; Mazur PR; The Syndicate; and many others.
Vendors this year include Century Media/Nuclear Blast, Deepsend Records, ESP Guitars/Krank Amps, Eulogy Recordings/Hand Of Hope Records, Facedown Records, Fuse TV/Uranium, Lifeforce Records, Metal Blade Records, Oak Knoll Productions, Prosthetic Records, Red Rocket Records, Relapse Records, Revolver Magazine, Stillborn Records/Hatewear Inc., Trustkill Records, Victory Records, and others.
Friday tickets are $35.00; Saturday and Sunday individual day tickets are $40.00. Three-day passes are $109.50. Tickets are available now at all Strawberries Record Stores, online at tickets.com, or by calling tickets.com at (800) 477-6849. There is re-entry at this all-day event until 6 p.m. each day.
The Palladium is located at 261 Main Street in Worcester, Massachusetts.
Visit the festival website at metalandhardcorefestival.com or myspace.com/metalandhardcorefestival.
New England Metal & Hardcore Festival 2006 Details
MassConcerts has announced that the New England Metal & Hardcore Festival will return once again to the Palladium in Worcester, Massachusetts, on Friday April 28, Saturday April 29 and Sunday April 30. Friday tickets are $35.00; Saturday and Sunday individual day tickets are $40.00. Three-day passes are $109.50. Tickets go on sale this Friday, February 24 at 10:00am at all Strawberries Record Stores, online at tickets.com, or by calling tickets.com at (800) 477-6849.
Proclaimed in past years as one of the best American festivals focusing on heavy music, the three-day show will host numerous metal, hardcore, and metalcore bands along with a jam-packed vendor area where fans can purchase hard-to-find CDs, t-shirts, and other music merchandise. ESP Guitars will be giving away guitars and Krank Amps will be giving away amps and even a half stack. These two great companies will also be bringing you up close and personal with some of the bands they endorse - so as we get closer to fest we will have schedule of artist signings and other surprises.
The show will once again take place on two stages at The Palladium. Bands that have already been confirmed for the festival are: Lacuna Coil, Gamma Ray, DragonForce (first time EVER in America!), Arch Enemy, Chimaira, The Black Dahlia Murder, Bullet For My Valentine, Exodus, Cryptopsy, 100 Demons, A Perfect Murder, Alarum, Arsis, Bloodlined Calligraphy, Bronx Casket Company, Byzantine, Caliban, Cattle Decapitation, Colin Of Arabia, Damnation AD, Dead To Fall, Death Threat, Demiricous, Dying Eyes Bleed, Ed Gein, Embrace The End, Folly, Full Blown Chaos, Goat Horn, God Forbid, Hate Eternal, Horse The Band, Hypersolid, If Hope Dies, Immolation, Inked In Blood, Into Eternity, Ion Dissonance, Ligeia, Losa, Mercury Switch, Necrophagist, Neuraxis, Nodes Of Ranvier, On Broken Wings, Protest The Hero, Ramallah, Righteous Jams, Ringworm, Sanctity, Scars Of Tomorrow, From A Second Story Window, Shoot To Kill, Since The Flood, Skinless, Still Remains, Suffocation, Sworn Enemy, The Acacia Strain, The Absence, The Classic Struggle, The Miles Between, Torn Assunder, Trouble, Twelve Tribes, I Killed The Prom Queen, Wolf, xDEATHSTARx, and xLOOKINGFORWARDx. More bands will be announced in the coming weeks. Talent is subject to change.
"We've been extremely happy with how this festival has grown over the years," said MassConcerts Booking Agent and festival co-founder Scott Lee, "and this year the lineup is one of the most varied yet - a great mixture of different styles of bands."
The 8th Annual New England Metal and Hardcore Festival is brought to you by ESP Guitars and Krank Amps, teaming up to present the festival this year; Prosthetic Records, which is sponsoring the 2nd Stage upstairs, Revolver Magazine our exclusive magazine partner and creator of the official event program, Facedown Records which is sponsoring our street marketing efforts, FUSE TV, Mazur PR and The Syndicate. Vendors this year include Century Media, Trustkill, Eulogy/Hand of Hope, Metal Blade, Red Rocket Records, and many others.
Trouble Finish Recording 'Simple Mind Condition'
Legendary Chicago doomsters TROUBLE have posted the following message on their official web site:
"The music is finished for the new CD, 'Simple Mind Condition'. It's awesome. Eric [Wagner, vocals] will be finished by the end of November 2005 and the release date has been set for March 2006. Samples and promos will be shipped earlier.
"TROUBLE is under contract with two labels, one for USA, and one for Europe. This is the date the labels finally can agree on. On the other hand, they seem to agree to put out the 'Trouble live in Stockholm' DVD in late January 2006. Tours and festivals are already in the works for the spring and summer of 2006. Also, dates are being discussed for the re-release of the first two CDs ('Psalm', 'Skull') for sometime in 2006.
"To sum it up, there will be plenty of TROUBLE in the New Year. More than ever."
TROUBLE's new CD is being produced by Vinny Wojno (KREATOR, MACHINE HEAD) and is expected to be issued Escapi Music in Europe and Century Media in the U.S. The group's current lineup includes guitarists Rick Wartell and Bruce Franklin, drummer Jeff Olson and bassist Chuck Robinson (formerly of THIS TORTURED SOUL). 15 songs are currently being recorded for the follow-up to 1995's "Plastic Green Head", including "Mindbender", "Seven", "Beginning of Sorrows", and "After the Rain". The group's previously announced "unplugged" EP is currently "on hold" and will be completed later this year.
Jag Panzer, Painmuseum Confirmed For Louder Harder
JAG PANZER and PAINMUSEUM have been confirmed for the Louder Harder Faster festival, set to take place June 3-5 at the Crocodile Rock Cafe in Allentown, PA. This will be a unique event for PAINMUSEUM: When drummer Bobby Jarzombek (ICED EARTH, HALFORD) was unable to cancel prior engagements for this particular performance, Paul Bostaph (TESTAMENT, ex-SLAYER, SYSTEMATIC, FORBIDDEN) was called upon to fill in for this one night only. Also performing with PAINMUSEUM will be Mike LePond (SYMPHONY X).
The highlight of the festival will be an extremely rare performance by the classic TESTAMENT lineup of Chuck Billy (vocals), Eric Peterson (guitar), Alex Skolnick (guitar), Greg Christian (bass) and Louie Clemente (drums). The weekend of metal mayhem will also include performances by the full original lineup of New York thrash titans NUCLEAR ASSAULT and SPEED\KILL/HATE, featuring members of OVERKILL.
The festival billing is shaping up as follows: More...
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Former Trouble, Zoetrope Drummer Passes Away
Barry Stern, who drummed for doom-metal legends Trouble and '80s thrashers Zoetrope, died April 1 in his hometown of Chicago shortly after undergoing hip-replacement surgery. A chapel service was held Tuesday. Stern sang and played drums on Zoetrope's 1985 debut, "Amnesty," and 1987's "A Life of Crime." He left to join Trouble for that band's 1990 self-titled record and also performed on 1992's "Manic Frustration."
Debris Inc. Spring Tour Dates Announced
Candlelight Records with Rise Above Records have announced the first confirmed dates on DEBRIS INC's forthcoming tour. Beginning April 13, the month-long tour will conclude with their second appearance at the annual Emissions of the Monolith Festival in Youngstown, OH. The tour will be in support of the band's self-titled debut set to hit stores nationwide on April 5. Some venues are still confirming in their locks on the tour; with noted additions available at the band's official website, debrisinc.com
DEBRIS INC is the new band featuring St. Vitus alumni Dave Chandler with long-time Trouble bassist Ron Holzner. Outlaws who on occassion join in the drunken bedlam include Trouble's Barry Stern, Eyehategod/Superjoint Ritual/Crowbar skinsman Jimmy Bower, and Goatsnake/Obsessed-famed Greg Rogers among others.
Already extremely active, DEBRIS INC have toured the US with labelmates Orange Goblin, have made appearances at Templars of Doom, Emissions of the Monolith and Milwaukee Metal Festivals (with European sightings at the prestigious Wacken Open Air Festival). The band recently collaborated with Los Angeles-based Crisis for a reworking of X's "Nausea."
Debris Inc. Spring tour dates: More...
Ex-Saint Vitus and Trouble Form Debris Inc.
Former Saint Vitus guitarist Dave Chandler and ex-Trouble bassist Ron Holzner have teamed up in Debris Inc. Their self-titled, debut album is released by Rise Above on April 4.


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2.j.g melon (just tried for the first time yesterday!)
3.burger joint (at le meridien)
5.donovan's (Woodside Queens)
6.bobcat bite (Santa Fe New Mexico)
7.louis' lunch (New Haven CT)
9. rare (bleecker street)
10.paul's (2nd avenue)
11.p.j. clarke's.
Shake Shack and Blue 9 don't even make the cut! Comments?
re: Bronx Bill
Won't even walk into Coals anymore. The pizza is now soggy, the meat tastes old & the service was awful. When told that the soup was cold, the waitress begrudgingly took it back & then almost "dropped" on the table in a huff. Faghetaboutit!!
re: steve h.
I give the worst burger rating in Manhattan to this place. I love the old time look and feel, but man was the burger not only overcooked, but clearly, a sign of meat that is not as fresh as it should be (i.e. ground fresh that very morning, every day for service) is when you really can't get a pink center no matter how quickly it is cooked. And that was on the second round, having sent back the first effort!
re: CTownFeedR
Blair Perrone has a great burger. Little expensive, but well worth it.
re: ES
Again you are absolutely right. But when its hot and fresh off the grill it is delicious. so I order in the bar and have them make it medium rare to rare. Then I know its fresh. I had one and ordered it medium and it was a re-heat job. Lucky my friend told me to go back and get it medium rare and fresh.
re: rolypoly
tough break, has never once been my experience (and I've been a lot).
loosely packed, nicely chared, and they seem to hit desired temp with ease due to thickness of the patty.
re: rolypoly
been to mollys many times over the past dozen years...
the dry burger sounds like an aberration, always been
moist and delicious with a pint every thursday.
re: CorgiLover
Corgi, I agree - no one did it better than McHales. I used to work around the corner and would have that burger at least once a week - be still my arteries!
I may be alone on this one, but I love the Wolfgang's burger and no one ever seems to mention it on this board. Not sure if people don't like it or if they just dont know it exists (only available at the bar at lunch), but it is awesome. It is a little pricey for a burger at around $13, but it is huge, juicy, and extremely tasty. It comes with great thick steak fries that get better when the grease from the burger soaks into them. Interested in other people's thoughts.
Great list Gutter, but i'd drop Corner way down, move PJs off the list (had one the other day at the new downtown location and wasn't overly impressed). I'd put Rathbones up there and give some thought to Delmonicos.
If you're going otuside of NY I'd seriously consider Maneros (deli counter) in Greenwich Ct.
re: Wingman
the only PJ's is the one in the e50s. the rest are cheap franchises.
re: bchart
Disagree. The cheese overwhelms the other flavors.
And the fries are too thin. Taste like those potato sticks out of a can. And did I mention that it's impossible to get a table?
Four blocks away is Westville, the best 'alternative' (meaning unusual bun) burger in New York.
re: NativeNewYorker
Agree on The Pig. The Roquefort burger is sickeningly rich. The Westville burger is fantastic on that Portuguese bun. Also Blue Ribbon Bakery makes good regular and chicken burgers and the fries are regular, not like the Pig's which could be shoestring sticks from a can.
re: sing me a bar
Disagree. Even with the cheese, Spotted Pig has a juicy, well-seasoned and cooked burger. Which is my main issue with burgers - basic seasoning.
As for fries... who cares. This is a burger list and how good or bad the fries are... well, who cares?
re: cheftamara
Actually, I do! The fries are part of the experience. I would weigh both values when choosing where I go. If the fries are absolutely awful, like the Pig's hard little sticks, I'd go where the fries are complementary to the burger. I like the fries at Westville and Blue Ribbon Bakery, and I don't get "a look" while asking them at the Pig to hold the "fort!
re: NativeNewYorker
also agree. cheese is overwhelming.
If your list doesn't include Shake Shack or Spotted Pig, it is seriously lacking in my opinion....
re: e.kaye
the sirloin burger @ wollensky's is outstanding, very dif from a burger joint / melon's burger
PJ Clarke's?? Really?? What am I missing here other than an even just decent burger? I'm from out of town and took my teen son there telling him it was "old NY" where the journalists hung out, etc. from what I had read. Bun was plain white and not toasted. No condiments offered except mustard in a squirt bottle. Mean mediocre at best and just plain slopped together. Give me a plain ole Chili's Bar and Grill chain burger any day.
re: steakman55
re: steakman55
I too was served a small, dry burger patty wedged in between a sliced un-toasted bun without any condiments at Pj Clarkes.
I never went back and as I can listen to better classic rock music as loud as they play it at PJ Clarkes, and with better home made burger.
re: RCC
i got a totally different burger at pj clarks. came with a raw onion underneath and it was very good, if a little sloppy (not held together). they're fries are very good too. maybe it's the atmosphere though. you can't get it at too many more places in nyc (although you can try old towne tavern).
re: steakman55
I'm with you. love the space and understand the "no frills" aproach, just didn't translate into a great burger.
re: steakman55
I couldn't agree more steakman- I can't stand the overhype Clarke's gets. Seriously- it's the size of a freakin' hockey puck, the bun is a wonder bread bun uncooked in any way, and it's ten bucks to take a bite. Hate the hype- glad to see someone agrees. Julius' on West 10th. Trust me, it's worth a very solid try.
re: steakman55
then you are clearly not a burger guy. it's about the simplicity.
re: bobby06877
interesting to hear.......you sound like a true devotee if you're ordering burgers @ either place.
the burger at ulysses on stone street happens to be very good. i actually think pop burger makes a decent burger, but i've only ever had them at 3 am after many drinks. agree with bistro and j.g. melon's. give good burger a shot. burgers aren't mindblowing, but they're good enough.
no list is complete without adding the blazers (purdys, ny), red rooster (brewster, ny) or mr. bartley's burger cottage (cambridge, ma).
re: jon
jon, i was trying to find an old post about blazers--how do you need to order a burger? did you mention sometime that you needed to order a specific bun with their burger? (or preparation, for that matter?)
i went a year ago, and wasn't that impressed; i'd like to go back again and order correctly :)
re: Nor'easter
Neither can beat the pizza threads. And for my two cents best slice goes to Joe's. Sorry. Couldn't help it.
I think everyplace on the list is subject to potential bad days. I'm actually more of a pizza guy than hamburger. McHales I went to once right before it closed, snagged a T-shirt, but the burger was dry. Probably my loss. Prejudice as to neighborhood may also play a part-I'm near Corner Bistro. Also, I'm sure that there are many great burgers at various restaurants, e.g. Lugers, but going to Lugers and ordering a burger rather than a steak is like going to Le Bernardin and asking for chicken.
re: guttergourmet
I think you are entirely incorrect on the Lugers point. Lugers only offers the hamburger for lunch.
Most people I know, (wiht the notable exception of me) cannot handle a porterhouse for two for lunch and would opt for the burger which happens to be very reasonably priced as well, so, if you live or work around the area, it becomes an almost irresistable bargain.
The luger burger is better than Corner Bistro btw.
Personally, when I go to Lugers for lunch, I get the burger as an app, then the porterhouse :).
re: T. Pigeon
I'm pretty sure I could handle the burger AND the porterhouse for two at one seating. One night I went to Molly's for a burger and fries with a couple of pints of Guiness and then to shake Shack for a cheeseburger and chocolate concrete shake for dessert. By the way, the shack burger didn't compare to mollies but at least there were no lines at 11PM at night!
what about that new(ish) place over on 2nd ave and, i think it's 44th or maybe 45th? might be called goodburger or something like that. one local paper, maybe the times, gave it the #1 thumbs up shortly after it opened but saw no mentions on this entire thread, unless i missed (and sorry for all the vagaries but c'hounds know which place i mean..)
re: bklynbiker
I agree with Corner Bistro. I also like the burger at Knickerbocker and at Pete's Tavern.
Good meat, good size...and just plain good.
re: bklynbiker
It's called GOODBURGER. 43rd and 2nd
Not bad. Similar looking and tasting to Shake Shack. But SS is better.
re: bklynbiker
good burger is ok-it was intended as a burger joint clone but I think they left out some critical DNA
I can't believe Balthazar doesn't get a mention. Hands down the best burger in New York City, with the best fries too. Pastis is also great, mentioned above.
And, although I rarely see it mentioned here, the last time I had a burger in the Odeon, it was heaven!
Time OUt did a burger rating a couple of years ago, and PJ Clarke's came near the top, if not number one. I raced for their burger, and couldn't believe how bad it was.
- Sean
re: Sean Dell
Balthazar and the family warrant mention only cause of the height the fries bring the overall plate to. Meat is not fatty enough for me, have to order rare. Find myself getting the Lamb sandwich or Chicken Club more often at Balthazar these days.
Would encourage ALL to trek to Diner in Williamsburg for the burger and fries. Top notch meat, perfectly cooked, stellar fries, and also a great alternative if Luger's is booked up.
re: Sean Dell
Yeah Sean, the Balthazar burger rocks. It's seasoned, French-style. You can order it with a fried egg on top also.
Time Out isn't to be trusted for anything, btw, although the new food editor is a lot more critical than the old, so maybe there's hope.
i agree with your top 3, order as well. nothing can beat the price and taste of a bistro burger medium, in my opinion. but i might be biased because i lived around the corner and used to do takeout (as opposed to waiting a year for a table). blue 9 is terrible, and inedible delivered. recently tried sascha's double burger, thumbs up. i'd add that to the list. good fries too.
The best burger in NYC is at the Golf Center on Randall's Island. Weather permitting, a portly, long-haired dude kind of like from the Big Lebowski in a worn out white t-shirt wheels out a large steel outdoor grill. you pay inside the golf shop and get a receipt. you hand the receipt to the grill guy and he throws on a fat wad of balled up ground beef that hasn't been formed well enough and is probably falling apart into two pieces already. he lays it on the grill and you wait on a picnic bench outside behind the driving range stalls while it grills, maybe drinking a bottle of bud light. he serves it on a plain bun probably from costco's with some tomato and lettuce if you want it. condiments are heinz, french's mustard and bottled relish.
fantastic conversation! i'm glad to have guidance about where to go next for good burgers.
i'd say my top three favorites are blue ribbon, shake shack, and westville. i don't think westville has been mentioned, and it's consistently awesome, and the english muffin rules. too much bread totally obscures the burger for me. it's always a battle to decide between the niman dog and the burger there - they're both amazing.
i've always been curious about the foie gras burger at db bistro moderne, is it worth it? especially for someone who's issued a personal moratorium on foie gras?
re: raybird
No the DB Burger was a disappointment and I don't mean because of price (I'd pay $200 for the ultimate burger) or because of foie gras concerns (to quote Mario Batali: "at some point you've got to get comfortable with being at the top of the food chain"). The ingredients just didn't meld for me.
re: guttergourmet
I agree. This burger was really hyped up for me, and it was kind of a let down.
The Kinsale on 3rd ave at 94th is my favorite. I'm surprised I never see it on any of these lists. Nice and juciy and minimally seasoned. They also have really good fries (I like them well done) and beer battered onion rings.
My disappointment in the burger at Corner Bistro has yet to be alleviated. However, my love for Burger Joint (@ LPM) and Shake Shack remain unconditional. Walker's puts out a quality burger, possibly best in Tribeca?
i like this list and generally agree with you.
however, you have a few more spots to try. add luger's burger to your mix. one more too, an oft-forgotten bronx gem for you to consider: doyle's pub in the westchester square in the bronx.
also, if mini-burger's are in their own category i would say the PATRIOT bar on chambers at church has the best for the best value (i'm sure the beer clouds my judgement on this - heh ***).
re: kwanito
yes. a little cheaper than SASSYS and esp someplace like POP BURGER.
however, remember to factor in the beer/booze and ear crushing country music!
re: Bob Martinez
bob, i'm lucky in the sense that i travel to all the boroughs for work ;). DOYLE'S makes the mega huge style burger, cancel all appointments and make all preparations for a nap afterward.
I was surprised to find that Home has one of the most delicious hamburgers I've had. They might only have it available at lunch time, though.
I would definitely drop Corner Bistro and P.J. Clark's, way overrated, and add Diner in Williamsburg and Peter Luger's.
JG Melon has to be number one for the buns alone. a place that serves burgers on a sesame seed bun automatically ostracizes a significant segment of the population. on the other hand, no one complains about a seedless bun. i also believe the burger is much better at jg's but surely people will debate that.
re: mstatt54
I'll second the Leno's call - though most up in Westchester know it as Greasy Nick's. That said, the best buger in the county is served at The Piper's Kilt in Eastchester. There is a branch in Inwood, though I can't seem to find any mention of the place on these boards.
One need not leave Manhattan to have that incredible burger. Nobody seems to mention the burger at TJ O'Brien, on Columbus and 82nd. Toasted brioche roll, quality beef seasoned with onion and herb. Divine with swiss cheese. Even more memorable than the Shack Burger or the falling-apart juicy goat cheese burger at Viceroy. Plus they have Delirium Tremens on draught along with other great beers.
I am surprised that so many Chowhounders keep swearing by places like Corner Bistro, where the burgers are mediocre at best.
re: kf2150
I prefer to keep it simple. Your burger reads more like meatloaf and that is fine.
re: patolig76
Meatloaf it isn't... I assure you.
re: kf2150
Yeah, what are places in Santa Fe doing on the Manhattan boards. Best NY burger or just best burger?
PJ Clarkes? Ugh...I will take Shake Shack's eight million health violations before I'd go there.
re: jungirl
i've walked by that palce i don't know how many times. must go in.
re: jungirl
re: Peter Cuce
yeah and PETE'S WATERFRONT too on atlantic. heck that one often tops my fav burger list, but i have not been there in a few months (i dk anything about the manhattan outpost).
re: mrnyc
this post was on my mind so afdter a day at rockaway beeach we stopped off at PETE'S today. i got a rare burger w/swiss and an anchor liberty draft and it was mighty mighty fine. i think maybe the meat used to be better, but not sure since i had cheese on it.
i noticed they had a kobe beef burger on the specials board. i'm sure its just waygu steer meat not real imported kobe beef. it came with a miso sauce or some other weirdness so i stayed away from that.
re: krissywats
like the zeitzeff shout-out
BTW, the one time I had a burger at Fanelli's (about a year ago), the meat wasn't that great. It didn't do it for me.
JG Melon's is my wife's favorite; mine is Soup Burg's. Corner Bistro was a total letdown for me as well on my last visit. Jane's burger is wonderful; Paul's is perfectly adequate; Fanelli's didn't do anything for me.
One real question is whether and how much to take into account other factors: quality of fries, service, atmosphere, etc. For instance, some may prefer Melon's cottage fries to regular french fries, but I don't. Everything at Shake Shack is pretty great, but I don't know that I'd wait an hour for it again. P.J. Clarke's is just too expensive to justify.
re: MatthewB
Update: Just re-visited P.J. Clarke's, and that is a damn fine burger, especially with bearnaise. Not even as expensive as I remembered: The basic burger is $8.60.
I don't eat enough hamburgers to have a top 10 (or perhaps: most of the hamburgers I have eaten wouldn't make the cut) but ones I like are:
1)Pacific Dining Car--they know how to make a RARE burger;
2)Palm dt LA--ditto
3)Shake Shack--just tried the shack stack for the first time last week and I know it is considered virtually pedestrian here but I thought it was amazing if not the sort of thing I would order more than once a year as it is so over the top (at Dining Car & the Palm I generally just have the plain meat with nothing but a taste of relish at DC and a pickle at the Palm).
Imagining I might replicate my LA Palm experience I recently got a hamburger at Keen's and was disappointed. Dry and flat. I was also disappointed by the DB burger when I had it a few years ago. I don't remember in detail but it was just a burger with a bit of foie gras on it and the foie didnt make the burger any less prosaic and the burger didn't extenuate the foie. I thought Goodburger's hamburger was fine but am not likely to pursue it in future. Has any one tried Zip Burger?
I find the french fry question interesting as to me, the ideal accompaniments to a burger are creamed spinach and a properly made caesar salad (which may explain a lot of my hamburger issues).
Unfortunately, i think you are way off about a couple of things. There is no way burger joint rates better than shake shack. The rolls alone, not the mention the meat used is consistently better at the shack. I would agree regarding the corner bistro, but jg melons has been way off for a long time, and coasting on a reputation that hasn't been accurate in years.
re: simplefare
i was at JG's last wednesday (and have been there 1-2 times a quarter for the past six years) and nothing has been "off" there in those 6 years. it is, simply put, the best burger in the city bar none.
re: simplefare
You write as though matters of taste are matters of fact. There are lots of us out here who would choose burger joint over shake shack any time, and you can't convince us that our taste is wrong just by being emphatic.
re: The Engineer
Reliably delicious burger with great frites at florent.
Since others mentioned out-of-town burgers, the pan-fried-in-butter burgers at Yankee Doodle on Broadway in New Haven are fantastic. Then get a donut split and fried in butter for dessert. (Louis' Lunch burgers in New Haven, on the original poster's top 10, are too greasy, the main draw is the contraption they are cooked on and the quaintness of being forced to eat them on white bread with no choice of condiments.)
I have to cast my vote for Bosna Express, hidden away under a rusty old elevated in Ridgewood, Queens. Many will argue that this is not a traditional burger. I say, so what? For that matter, neither is Shake Shack's (how many burgers are made with brisket?), or the one at DB Bistro (foie gras). The gargantuan Pljeskevica (or "bosna burger"), though a tad dry, is loaded with flavor. To get the full effect, take one over to the tiny tree-covered town square, just a few yards away, and listen to the deafening train rumble as you chow your way to Balkan heaven. Wash it down with a reasonably priced beer at the dive next door.
Prime Burger - between Fifth and Madison across from St. Pat's.
Best burger in Manhattan - hasn't changed for decades: same seats with hinged eating trays, same better counter scene, same cash register with automatic change dispenser, same aging hipster wait staff (I mean hipster in the original, 1940s sense of the word - these guys dig jazz), burgers priced as burgers, and don't leave without a piece of pie. Who knows how long it can last?
Remember: " a burger is a burger is a burger: ours is prime"
re: hellgate
Hellgate, this sounds like my kind of place. What are the prices like?
re: Polecat
in addition to being a trip in the wayback machine, it's a mighty fine burger -- which will run you four bucks (five if you add cheese, but i like these enough to keep the toppings at bay). if you want to go all out -- and why shouldn't you -- a combo platter of two burgers with fries and "assorted relishes) is in the 8-9 dollar range. fries, on their own, are excellent and cost around two-fifty.
re: david sprague
"the wayback machine". now we're talking. cant' wait. thanks, dave.
re: hellgate
Not sure if I call Prime Burger best in the city, but it is a great lunch. I've never waited, burger is reasonable, and Wayback Machine is on full-tilt. Great diversion in the middle of the work-day.
re: tailfins
Rrrghhh!! On my burger safari, my pal and I have tried twice unsuccessfully to get in to Prime... We're giving it one more shot (maybe, if he can be convinced) and then seriously (considering) giving up.
re: hellgate
I've been going for years. Recently took my 9 year old who loved Prime Burger especially the "high chairs" and the apple crumble pie! I also wouldn't call their burgers a contender but you can't argue with :1.James Beard Award winner; 2.across the street from St. Paddie's (get it? duh-hamburger paddies;) ); 3.homemade pies. Some additional Prime burger trivia-it was originally part of the original 30s Burger Heaven chain when it declared independence in the 50s and haven't changed the decor since.
While we're re-writing history here, ha ha, I would throw in a vote for 'behind the curtain', the burger joint at the Parker Meridien on 57th St. I had two visits recently, and the burgers were just excellent, and unbelievable value. True, you don't hang around for the view, and the novelty wears off. But for a great burger in mid-town, this really is hard to beat.
- Sean
re: Sean Dell
I've taken the liberty of posting the burger joints commended here all on a map.
Now you can get your burger by proximity. Enjoy.
re: imbrettjackson
really great idea, imbrettjackson. much appreciated!!!
re: imbrettjackson
I can't help noticing that Bobcat's Bite and Louis' Lunch are not marked on the map...
(and if we're allowing Santa Fe burgers, what about Horseman's Haven?)
Awesome tool! Thank you for your humanitarian efforts, sir. The world is now a better place.
re: ratatosk
Thanks for the map! And the idea for Horseman's Haven!
As a New Mexican, I can't help but disagree with Bobcat Bite. I tried it last Thanksgiving and it just doesn't measure up to either Santiago's (Albuquerque, NM) or the original Owl Cafe (San Antonio, NM). My family has tried them all and Santiago's is our undisputed favorite. Owl Cafe comes in second ... and Bobcat Bite is not in the top 10. I'd like to see these on more top 10 lists (at the top!).
Santiago's New Mexican Grill
1911 Eubank Blvd NE, Albuquerque, NM 87112
Owl Bar & Cafe
215 San PO Box, Antonio, NM
re: MsJacksonNM
Haven't tried those but Motz and Edge mention the Owl in their burger books. I assume we're talking green chile burgers for all of them/
re: imbrettjackson
Brilliant. Best GIS work I've ever seen.
Gotta say...solid list, except for Corner B. I live near there...have always been disappointed. Best burger I've had in New York this year: Peter Luger...(at lunch, and a bargain at around $8.)
Also, I'd give a nod to burger at Westville. Not as superlative as many of these, but a big plus: if you order it rare for delivery, it arrives at your house rare. That's rare.
Union Square Cafe makes a pretty good burger. And I like Jackson hole too. My old favortie was Ottomanelli Cafe but no place I have evern eaten out beats what I (or anyone for that matter it ain't brain surgery) can make at home in about 10 minutes.
1/2 pount lean ground chuck, salt, pepper, toss from hand to hand to form a ball. flatten to 1" patty very hot grill 4-6 minutes on side depending on how you like it. dress with roll, tomato etc as you see fit.
re: jinet12
agree with majority of list. but i would include Shake Shack, of course. just got back from having a double shack burger, 1st of the season for me, excellent and no lines due to the easter sunday holiday and cold temps. i also like Pop Burger quite a bit and Le Express at park/20th makes a very good one too. Rare on lexington rates very high as well, only been to the bleecker st place once.
Havent been to Molly's yet. is that on 3rd in the low 20's? PJ Clarkes was no big deal for me and Blue Nine is too greasy.
I like Mollies burger and the onion rings, also Burger Joint and fries. PJ Clarke's has become a disappointment and Paul's I will never go back to. Paul's is just not my kind of burger - it's a very old fashioned type like they used to make at Soupburg on Madison Ave (now closed).
I agree with the poster who likes Hamburger Heaven (various locations). They are best at lunchtime on weekdays - medium rare with cheese and a slice of raw.
But I was just back in Donovan's last weekend and had a great cheeseburger - asked for raw onion and got plenty of fresh slices. As usual the fries and the onion rings are the type from the big fifty pound bag in the freezer. Nevertheless you can't beat the Guinness - they do know how to pour.
Just curious, how come nobody ever mentions the Burger Joint on 3rd Ave (not to be confused with the one in the Parker Meridien)? They're slider-style on a potato bun, very cheap. They're pretty flavorful, kinda like mini Shack burgers. Thoughts?
I liked the burger from the bar menu at Marseille. Worthy of a mention at least. Also right down the street (9th ave) is (was?) Island Burger ,which was great to eat there but not great as take out, and Rachels, which was surprisinly good.
re: guttergourmet
gutter, you ever tried the kobe beef burger at megu downtown? it's mighty good and also mighty expensive ($30 as part of a lunchtime bento, may be available on its own for cheaper, i can't recall). owing to cost + venue, it's not an everyday burger but i think it's worthy of any top 10 or top 20 list.
re: guttergourmet
just had a pj clarke's burger, not good at all, how can it be #11? your 14 through 17 are all way better than the pj clarke's one.
re: jacques gaudet
I'd probably agree with that but pj's is respectable-better than BLT and brgr
re: guttergourmet
you'd have to be insane not to. ;-)
i do like your #9 tho.
re: guttergourmet
Agreed on shake shack. It's good, I'd wait 10 minutes, but never 45. And why is there a constant need to crush Corner Bistro. If it's not your number 1 I understand, but take it off the list is ludicrous. I had a burger at esquina on a recommendation and totally doubted it would be half good. It was extremely salty but everything else about it was fantastic and I gotta try again figuring someone dropped the shaker. Meat had excellent flavor, avocado onions a really nice bun. All over an excellent burger. Not a top 10, but it's worth a trip if you're near by.
re: 2slices
"Corner Bistro.If it's not your number 1 I understand, but take it off the list is ludicrous."
if you are really into ordinary bar burgers, i am not here to change your mind. GG asked for "Comments?", and i complied...what's "ludicrous" is the "Shake Shack don't even make the cut!" statement. but again, this topic is like the difara/grimaldi/totonnos topic. there is no end in sight. ever.
re: guttergourmet
That's a bit much. And you don't have peter luger's in your ranking? I don't know about that. It is easily a top 3 and possibly deserving of a 1.
re: guttergourmet
"Comparing Shake Shack to Corner Bistro is like comparing Dominos to Difara."
i completely agree. corner bistro ='s domino's. shake shack ='s difara.
I found nothing remarkable about corner bistro's burger. Very whatev's....
Shake shacks burger.....BOOOO.
LOVE the burger at Donovans but the bun needs help, it needs the buns from Stand
Spotted Pigs burger is YUM
Someone told me the other day that Nic&Stef's has a really good burger?!?!?
The Macho Burger from Chris Madrids in San Antonio, Tx!!!!
re: meldrom
Wolfgang's serves one of the finest burgers in NYC. Ranks just after Luger's.
re: meldrom
Totally disagree. I went to Donovan's this weekend and was completely disappointed with the burger. I found there to be nothing remarkable about it at all. Standard pub burger. Shake Shack, on the other hand, I think is delicious. The winter is definitely nice for not waiting on line and getting a quick burger there. I thought Luger's was terrific too.
Sullivan Diner, which is not really a diner ,has one of the best burgers ive had. Big, juicy and with a house made pickle and fries with crispy burnt onions. Thought the service was good, and the space really nice. For $10 you get a mouthful. The only onther one that comes clos is Donavans, but thats in queens.
Hi guttergourmet, I am Skip the Burgermaven. Travel the USA for the great burger. Agree on Corner Bistro. Bistro burger at the bar so you get it hot. Medium Rare with Cheddar. Fantastic. Went to NYC last month to try two more places. Bobby Flay and Anrew Zimmern love JG Melon's. it was very very good.. bun sucked.
A better burger: ARthur Schwartz sent me: go to original BLT Steak on 57th around 2 pm when its quiet. Get the regular burger (about $12) not the foie gras one at $35. This burger is excellent. Just looking at it is special. And the fries come with Bernaise sauce and you get the best ever cheese popover to start. I could only eat half and took other half back to hotel. Put in frig and had it cold that night. Still excellent (ok I put some bearnaise sauce on it). But a cold hamburger that retains its taste has to be good.
Lastly: you cannot be a burger critic and still put the burger joint on any list. What a phony place. "what's the grind/meat in the burger? Hamburger boss!" The only thing good is the price and you can get served in less than 20 minutes. It truly sucks. Not worth any list. I told Nina and Tim already. By the way the Green Chile Cheeseburger at Bob Cat Bite is one of my top 10. Tell everyone the hours though.
will be trying the Dumont Burger this May...
chef from Sola in Chicago is cooking at James Beard house. Her burger in Chicago is one of the top in Chicago and could make a top 20 in USA..
be well and keep eating. (Oh I drive 250 miles for the best burger once a month: 125 miles there; have a burger and relax; then drive back home) (now you know I'm crazy.
re: burgermaven
If you have not tried Peter Luger's burger (lunch only) you really must...
re: burgermaven
Nice to meet you Maven. I drive hundreds of miles for everything. BBQ, pizza, hot dogs and certainly burgers. Bobcat was great. If you liked Corner you'd like The Stoned Crow too. I recently had the steak tartare at BLT Steak which was great, so I'll have to try the burger next time.
re: guttergourmet
I actually just had the PJ Clarks burger for the first time and it was amazing. Before that I agree that Stoned Crow is great but think PJ Clarke blew it out of the water.
IMHO there are two types of burgers.....grilled and charbroiled.....
a two types of places: steakhouse and not steakhouse
Blue 9 makes a great burger.....TO GO....
hard to compare it to the list above....
Cedar's had the best charbroiled burger around un
till it closed......
still love Wollenski's Grill for a steakhouse burger
any suggestions on the BEST charbroiled burger
corner bistro- hit or miss
jg melon- good but bun is soggy
burger joint is quite tasty but i think they fry them
PJ Clarke- good not great
fanelli's- hocky puck like but tasty
paul- heavy, greasy not so flavorful
re: namreb
re: chundi
Molly's burger is not good, it's big but not well seasoned, that's my main problem with most of the places mentioned here, good meat is an important part for a great burger but seasoning is also crucial for me, i like cheeseburgers but I don't think that all the burger's flavor should come form cheese &ketchup, the meat needs seasoning.
re: namreb
burger joint grills the patties
Guttergourmet, ever had a burger from Soup Burg on 77th & Lex?
The buns are so-so but the burgers (which are grilled, not charbroiled) are fantastic.
Funny that the place looks like a regular full-service diner but has amazing burgers.
re: racer x
No but hate to be the one to tell you that I'm pretty sure they're gone ;(. Cozy soup and burger isn't bad and happens to be located in my building!
re: guttergourmet
I just had a burger at Soup Burg 3 or 4 days ago. They're steps from the subway stop.
re: racer x
What's the relation to the one that was on Madison that closed awhile back?
re: racer x
Hey racer x- just lost my soup burg virginity. Very decent burger though burger to bun ratio was ridiculous. Reminded me of Nick's on the UWS which I slightly preferred though very good. Has anyone tried the Lexington Candy Shop's "Butter Burger"? That's next on my burger radar.
re: guttergourmet
I haven't been to Soup Burg in ages. Almost exclusively going to Ottomanelli's now for burgers and fries (thanks, MMRuth).
re: racer x
I went to P.J. Clarke's for lunch today for the first, and probably last, time. My husband suggested we go so that I could try the burger after the Woody Allen movie up the street. We both had burgers - his rare, my medium rare, and an order of fries. Burger itself - decent, cooked to temperature, could have used a little seasoning. Bun - disgraceful - like a supermarket one. Lettuce, slices of tomato and onion - quite good. Liked the fries, but too salty. Great Bloody Mary. Ottomanelli still wins out in my book with a hamburger and waffle fries at about $8.00, vs. $9.00 for a hamburger and about $4.00 for the fries.
re: guttergourmet
What's the butter burger? I've been having the burger at LCS recently ....
re: MMRuth
A burger with butter on top! Bob at LCS suggests their Angus burger I think...
re: guttergourmet
wow- i used to spend lots of time in your building- my ex lived there! Cozy is great for a late night bite.
re: racer x
Racer X, So glad you brought up Soup Burg- I've been raving about their burgers for over a year now. I defy anyone to try their Bacon Cheeseburger (medium rare) and not agree that it is waaaaay above the average great burger. Just bursting will crisp juicy deliciousness in every bite. Normally I do not get anything but cheese on my burgers, but Soup Burg puts two very thin, very crisp bacon strips on the burger without negatively affecting the texture in any way (like Corner Bistro where the bacon is piled so high that it alters the whole dynamic of the burger). In short, take the 6 train to 77th St, walk a few steps to Soup Burg, grab a stool at the counter, and order up a gorgeous, glistening burger. It most certainly deserves a place on the City's Top 10 Burgers.
Move Corner Bistro way down, Fanelli closer to the top.
Maybe put Shopsin's sliders on the list. (only when Zack is at the grill)
Guttergourmet, I'd like to submit the following burgers for your consideration, as I think they would be more than worthy of your list:
Daddy-O Burger at Daddy-O on Bedford St. in the W. Village
Goodburger, locations around the city
BRGR on 7th Ave. @ 26th (or 27th)
Do you think that Corner Bistro has maintained its position as #1 over the past couple of years? I was disappointed the last couple of times I went (both in '07).
I see (on a different thread) that you are now looking into Market Table- please keep us posted, as I'd like to hear about that one.
re: vvvindaloo
I have already commented on Goodburger and BRGR on this thread. Don't know Daddy-O. Just tried 5 Guys on Bleecker which is consistent with the originals I've had in DC, i.e. a good sloppy double cheese overcooked burger ideal if your're drunk. Corner Bistro still reigns supreme-never been disappointed though the Stoned Crow does a good impersonation. I just expanded my Market Table review on the other thread.
re: guttergourmet
Being that the list is a little outdated, could someone help me as I will be visting NY for the first time in July? Could you veterans throw up a few more updated top ten lists?
imho, corner bistro is the driest, mealiest, most overrated burger currently lauded by ny'ers.
i've tried 'em sober and tipsy (tipsy does improve the flavor), early and late, and they've never failed to unimpress me.
my own rankings would go something like this:
1)Shake Shack
2) Dumont Burger
3) Burger Joint
4) Lure (yes, lure)
5) Blue 9
naysayers about the supremacy of the shake shack (to my reckoning) are not fans of west coast style burgers (i.e., in and out) and equate size with quality. a shake shack burger is west coast in style, and nearly the equal of an in n' out, while a Dumont burger is more typically east coast--a massive, delicious hunk of beef. both will kill you, and both rock. i remain mystified by the fans of the CB: i'd rather eat wendy's.
re: davy
I don't think you can even compare an in n' out burger to a shake shack burger, except to say they are made in the same thin patty style, let alone say that a shake shack burger is nearly the equal of an in n' out.
I think in n out burgers are great burgers, miles ahead of their fast food competitors.
Shake Shack burgers are some of the best burgers in NYC; only their thin patty style, price (kinda), and setting make them fast-foodie in nature.
That line, however, does not make for fast food, though if their burgers were more similar in quality to those at in n out, then maybe it would be considerably shorter. I wouldn't even consider waiting more than 30 min for an in n' out burger
re: racer x
Stand's burgers cannot be beaten. Shorty's comes close but Stand rocks...
re: PAULSCOHEN
The resot burger is good, but it's not a burger. it's really a meatloaf/meatball of sorts. tasty, but not a burger
MUST include shake shack. . .whether it's woprth a 30 minute wait, that a different story. but GOOD burger.
remember schnacks? they let that place got to hell. and now it's gone.
what about the buger shoppe in wall street?
jackson hole make a mean one. a little big, but good.
oh. and no 5 guys??? c'mon awesome burger.
burgers i still need to try: stand, blue 9, brgr, 5 napkins
re: chrispypanfry
i really want to like burger shoppe, but it's just not good.
re: 180macd
Good idea to try Tavern on Jane. I love their rotisserie chicken but I should branch out and try their burger!
re: jackieparis
Walkers in Tribeca...ordered medium-rare...eaten at the bar....bloody/beefy yumminess, big on flavor that NEVER disapoints and it comes with fries or homemade mashed potatoes...leaves you speechless.
I'm in a burger conundrum. I start my new job on Monday, which means this Thursday and Friday are my last days of unemployed freedom. I'm celebrating the new gig by treating myself to a burger for lunch one of these days. My toss up is between Shake Shack, which i've been to at least half a dozen times, or testing the waters at Ruby's in SoHo.
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re: noneforyouatall
Good grief.. you guys make me feel so old. For 45 years if I've wanted a burger fix I've gone to Hamburger Heaven...bleu cheese, glass of red wine-:) Recently I've had good burgers at Cafe D'Alsace and Fiorello. (but I like them with a really rare center.) Also, the Soup Burg on 77th. Hamburger Heaven used to show a pic of Jackie Kennedy chowing down at the branch on Mad and 55th.
re: Warren14
i think dumont's burger burger is better than dumont's burger.
re: guttergourmet
just had veselka's couple nights ago; it is monster! ordered medium rare, bacon and meunster; perfectly cooked on a great sturdy bun, blood leaking all over in a good way; needed a couple shakes of salt but amazing, esp. dipped into a nice big pool of ketchup.
re: chocolatebirthdaycake
Will have to try it.
re: chocolatebirthdaycake
Yo, Chocolate.... Walkers should be right up on top. My opinion of the places on the list is that most are not even close to Walker's. Some are actually bad. Burger Joint is terrible. JG Melon and PJ Clarke for some reason have a reputation for great burgers but they are just OK. big Nick's beats those easily. Corner Bistro is good. Donovan's is barely OK as is their other food but its a good place if you want a good deal. Soupburg is better than most. Cercle Rouge has a good burger as well. The hype that goes with burger places amazes me how off they are. Same with cupcakes, probably same hypsters that like Magnolia like Burger Joint , and why does 5 guys get such good reviews? IMHO dare I say lol
Be on the lookout for a new burger place that didnt open yet called "4 Food", They will have different varieties of burgers. Beef, Lamb, Tuna, Turkey, Veggie. Each with a hole in the center that is filled with an "ingot" of things like ( not exactly these) rattatouille , salsa,balsamic sundried, wasabi oshinko ,, various more solid veggie type fillings ,then sealed with choice of cheese or daikon. then choice of condiment ,served on a sesame flat bread or brioche or bun. they have yucca fries, sweet potato fries and russet fries. All I know is it;'s coming toward the end of the year. Something different .. Good quality.
re: Mr Conlin
Burger Joint is/has been open...just a rumor
My new nyc hamburger rankings. All burgers are ordered Rare if possible and most were bacon cheeseburgers.
1) Shake Shack
2) BLT Burger
3) Peter Lugers
4) Dram Shop
5) PJ Clarkes
6) Burger Joint
7) Pauls
8) 5 Guys
9) James
10) Resto
11) Donovan's
12) Soda Bar
13) The General Greene
14) Rare
15) 5 Napkin Burger
16) Corner Bistro
I intend to try Bonnie's, JG Melon, and Minetta Tavern very soon. In fact, I'll be revising these rankings after tomorrow night when I will have had the black label burger. Lastly, Corner Bistro should just stay off the list as I prefer a million random burgers over it but due to it's notoriety I included it at the bottom.
re: demigodh
i thought that Paul's closed. is this the one on 2nd ave at about 8th street?
i also really enjoy the burger at black iron burger. i think that's the name. on 5th between A and B.
re: magfitz
I went to Pauls (2nd ave) a couple weeks ago for the first time. unless they closed very recently, they're still open
re: demigodh
While I obviously disagree with your ranking, I appreciate many of the places on your list. I just tried the Minetta Black Label and while it was very very good, I was a bit underwhelmed. http://chowhound.chow.com/topics/623550
re: guttergourmet
gutter, Count me as underwhelmed by the black label burger too. Nowhere near worth the price or the hype.
re: demigodh
I'm a bit surprised that you order your burgers rare, yes have Resto at number 10. I thought the cooked through, salty hockey puck they served was one of the more overrated burgers I've had in the past few years.
re: demigodh
Demigodh - you rank 5 guys that highly? Interesting. A thread on the tristate board provoked some spirited opinions on 5 guys. I for one have enjoyed them the 3 times I've eaten them but I would not go over-the-top about them. The one glaring omission from your list is Stand. I rate them top 5 in the city. Have you tried them?
re: Scotty100
Agreed. All cred is lost when Five Guy's well done crumbly and cold patties make a top burger list. No need to try to re-invent the wheel on GG's thread.
re: demigodh
james's burger is a disgrace for the price. entirely mediocre.
re: oystersallday
The James burger is half off during happy hour. It's a total ripoff in the evening but at $7 during happy hour, it 's one of the better burger deals in the city.
I was reading you guys' comments regarding five guys and had to re-look at my list as I never thought the world of five guys either. In fact, I ate it frequently in DC and thought it was good but never understood the rave reception it got here in NY. That said, when looking at my list, I think I would keep it exactly where it is. The ones below it are just not as enjoyable to me.
Quick Update: I had the Black Label Burger and did not enjoy it. the two friends I was with (who also ordered the BLB) thought it was the best burger of their life but I was not impressed. On my list above, it would go right above RARE and below General Greene.
I have not been to Stand yet, i'll try that as soon as possible.
re: misshamburglar
Fully agreed with Burger Joint it really isn't a good burger at all.
Finally got in to Minetta. The bone marrow app was good but I've had better value at Blue Ribbon. The Black Label burger was just shy of phenomenal although, on the whole, I've got to give it an "emperor has no clothes" type review, I'm sorry to say. The no cheese policy and mandatory onions annoyed me, the bun couldn't make up it's mind whether it was a brioche, a croissant or something else. Hard to live up to the hype. Reminded me of my slight disappointment with the $50 DB burger. Had the same meaty funk which I liked but I've enjoyed other burgers more particularly if price and wait are a factor.
re: guttergourmet
This is how I'm feeling as of late:
Shake Shack
Piper's Kilt
Black Iron Burger
JG Melons
There are others out there but I'd be lying if I put them in a top 5. I enjoyed City Burger's Black Label burger but I don't get the urge like the other places. I prefer a smaller more mobile patty, i.e. Shack Burger and Black Iron. Hate black irons sesame overload buns, but their patty is no joke.
Don't understand why Piper's Kilt is never in the conversation. If Donovan's is, PK's needs to be also.
re: HowfreshEats
We will never all agree about burgers that is for sure. However, I have noticed that no one mentioned the burger at Schnipper's in Times Square. My office is near there and I go alot. The place is packed and much to my surprise they have one of the best burgers in town. It reminds me of JG Melons a bit (one of my favs). I like it better than Shake Shack which I just find too greasy and a single shack burger leaves me hungry. The Schnipper's burger is just the right size with lots of beefy flavor and always juicy. They will cook to temp and I like mine medium rare which they usually get right. At the very least, I think these guys deserve a mention and I think everyone should try their burger. Besides JG Melon, I like Stand and I just tried Black Iron which was great. And as for Corner Bistro and 5 guys, like many others, I don't think they should be on any best list.
re: HowfreshEats
Here are my most recent rankings (in no order):
Peter Luger
La Esquina
re: guttergourmet
If I am not mistaken they recommend you don't have it with the cheese but if you want it they will oblige your preferences.
re: jive1178
My recent ranking;
Wollensky Grill
PJ Clarks
re: brians77
The Black Label burger at Minetta Tavern is for me the new standard.....really in another league.
re: drumwine
Would you mind describing the Black Label burger. There is a ton of talk about it on this board and the reviews are quite mixed. For $26, it has to be special.
re: princeofpork
I feel like Molly's has kinda come out of nowhere with huge burger buzz lately, about time i head over there... it's really that good? anything else good there?
re: princeofpork
princeofpork....it IS special.....imagine your favorite dry aged steak put through a grinder, pampered on a plancha & served on a brioche w/caramelized onions....here's a description of the process from A Hamburger Today:
re: drumwine
Just read this article and my mouth is actually watering and its 10AM. I am going here this week and will report back.
I just got back from a burger at the bar of JG Melon's an hour ago. I have been craving a burger since yesterday afternoon. I told a friend it was not going to be as good as I was hoping for - and was pleasantly surprised. I ordered a medium rare, bacon cheddar cheese burger with cottage fries. The burger came with pickles n raw purple onions and was not overcooked, but I may try it rare next time.
I made sure to have some purple onions with it. Perhaps a true test would be to have it without the onions. As i am enjoying a little alone time, I felt i would enjoy my raw onions.
It was not the greatest burger ever but it did hit the spot and satisfy a craving. I used my fries to catch the burger juice which was present but not abundant.
Fwiw, I was not tipsy (as one sometimes is when ordering/imbibing a burger) - so I think my assessment is accurate. The bun is okay, but nothing special. I can enjoy a burger on a brioche bun or muffin, but there is merit to serving it on a neutral plain roll - no distraction from the contents. I also would have preferred a bigger selection of cheese - my favorite burgers are with some sort of blue cheese or a very sharp cheddar. They offered American, Swizz, mozz and cheddar. I am sorry but "American cheese" is not my thing. While I don't expect Melon's to offer a Stiltonburger (my fave), I think they might consider some sort of accessible blue cheese and perhaps a sharper cheddar.
Open late is a plus. However, bring cash. (They don't take plastic.) Everyone was polite, professional and I felt comfortable. JG Melon's is a good local, not a 'destination' burger.
i've tried some of these burgers... burger joint is just the best.
they cook it right, the bun's good, the condiments works or just lettuce and tomato are all great.
it's well-seasoned, well-cooked, etc.
i like shake shack too but not as good as burger joint. will have to try lugers and stand for sure.
re: princeofpork
its not in anyones top five cause its pretty mediocre. That's about the best I can say about it. Every time I've been there (after the first time, not by choice), the burger has been overcooked, mealy and just not good.
re: princeofpork
I can't remember - have you tried the Ottomanelli burger?
re: MMRuth
I have not. Dont hear much talk of it on this board.
Went to JG Melon last night. Walked in at 6PM and sat down right away. Ordered the burger medium, fries and a Stella. I actually like the smaller mugs over the larger pints. The fries were good, hot and crisp.
The burger was a nice size and a good consistency. It came slightly overcooked which I was dissapointed with. No pink at all in the middle. The flavor was OK but seemed under seasoned. Based on this experience I would say this is a good burger but not one I would hop on the subway for. My new ranking is as follows. If its not on my list, I haven't tried it.
Spotted Pig
JG Melon
Waterfront Ale House
re: princeofpork
You really should try Ottamenelli, as per MMRuth's suggestion above: better, bigger, cheaper, and cooked as ordered...plus the best waffle fries -- too good!
re: City Kid
I certainly will try Otomanelli. However, bigger is not necessarily a plus for me although, better and cheaper are.
re: princeofpork
Yes - do try it. It's really my favorite burger in town, though I have by no means done the "surveys" that many others have. I do think it is far better than the JG Melon and PJ Clarke's burgers. I love Shake Shack, but think of it as a different kind of burger.
Re: your other comment about not reading much about it on the boards - it's up at 94th or so & Lexington, and I don't think that many hounds other than the few (?) who live in the area trek up this far north!
re: MMRuth
Also not a hip and happening spot by any means, just good food & nice service, which may help to account for the lack of buzz. But the meat they use if first rate and the fries are sinful.
re: princeofpork
I went to Mollys last weekend- have been a fan for a long time. My burger ( ordered rare) came out medium. My fellow burger orderer's medium rare was well done. The people at the table behind us said that what they ordered was inedible. Service was slow. Really disappointed!
I don't order bugers enough to come up with a list, but I had a pretty damn good burger at Les Halles recently. Everything about it was pretty perfect, and it came with a lovely bit of foie gras on top...yummmm
re: tursi3214
Because sadly, Florent is no more.
SLIDERS? I hope it's okay to report on the sliders I've enjoyed recently. In that handsome little bar at Plaza Athenee hotel on East 64th St just off Madison (Park) - very good sliders. Enjoyed them a lot. I think I like them better than burgers because they are easier to handle.
At a place called Wine 30 41 E 30th Street (Park) - I had some 'grass fed beef sliders' with cheese which really hit the spot. http://www.wine30nyc.com/menu.asp
I liked everything I tried at Wine 30 - I will return soon and have the sliders again.
At both, quality of the beef was good and the meat was not overcooked. Had medium rare.


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Price $60.00 per player (uniform included)
Practice on Tuesday and Thursday from 6:00pm-7:00pm
Games on Saturday at 10:00am
Practice will start on Tuesday, August 19 and first game will be after Labor Day Holiday. Last game will be November 1.
Under-8, Under-12, Under-12, Under-14
Sign-Ups end July 27, 2014
Please call one of the club officers to see if there is a spot available on one of the teams
Para informacion es espanol hablar a Hector Gonzalez at:
Hector Gonzalez: firstname.lastname@example.com(502) 384-4421
Elizabeth Cooke: firstname.lastname@example.com 502-363-2894
Kim Vickers: firstname.lastname@example.com 502-964-9976
Price $95.00 per player (includes uniform)
Practice will start end of July, early August, coach will contact you.
First game August 23.
** Birth certificates are required**
Click here for registration form
Application can be printed out and mailed to:
Kimberly Vickers
7015 Black Walnut Circle
Louisville Kentucky 40229
Checks must accompany form made out to Okolona Soccer Club.
Para informacion es espanol hablar a Hector Gonzalez at (502) 384-4421
For directions to Okolona Soccer Club click here
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Even in defeat Tuesday night, Kentucky coach John Calipari actually sounded happier about the way his young Wildcats played in a loss than he did after their season-opening win over Maryland.
Calipari scanned the box score in the 75-68 loss to Duke and was pleased with the way the shots were spread around. Among the starters, everyone had between five and 12 attempts.
"That's pretty good. They're sharing," Calipari said. "What they don't understand is how hard they have to play every possession, how a minute and a half can cost you a game. They don't know it yet. It's never been important to them. Our job is to teach them. We've got to get them in stronger shape mentally and physically."
Poythress led Kentucky with 20 points, soaring over the Blue Devils for several dunks, including a thunderous one-handed slam off a missed jumper by Mays. Nerlens Noel and Goodwin added 16 points apiece. All are freshmen, with plenty of room to grow before tournament time.
"I think we learned a lot about ourselves," Noel said. "When you go up against a team like Duke, you've got to bring it every possession. Tonight was a learning process."
Calipari wasn't happy with his team's effort against Maryland — especially on the boards. They were outrebounded 54-38 by the Terrapins, including 28 at the offensive end.
That was simply unacceptable given Kentucky's vaunted frontcourt featuring the 6-10 Noel and 7-footer Willie Cauley-Stein. Rebounding wasn't as much of an issue this time — Duke finished with a 31-30 edge — but the experienced Blue Devils showed a bit more poise down the stretch.
"Nerlens played way more aggressive than he did against Maryland," Calipari said. "When we got it to three I said, 'We're going to win this.' They just made their free throws."
Calipari hopes the loss will benefit the Wildcats down the road.
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How to Get Off Paxil
Dr. Joseph Glenmullen has a relatively new book out "The Antidepressant Solution" which details a step-by-step plan to safely get off Paxil et al.
See http://www.prozacbacklash.com/antide...tSolution.html
Here is an excerpt from the preface:
This book is intended to be helpful to doctors and patients alike. For this reason, I shift back and forth quite readily between addressing doctors and patients. In every instance, it is clear who is being addressed. Technical jargon has been minimized in order to provide a practical, straightforward approach to weaning patients off antidepressants. In some instances, I repeat important concepts and terms for readers who lack medical training. I trust readers with more medical knowledge will be understanding of my effort to make the information as accessible to as many people as possible. For those interested in more technical information, notes (which can be found at the back of the book) cite the extensive published medical reports and scientific research on antidepressant withdrawal and dependence. Tapering antidepressants by following the guidelines of the 5-Step Antidepressant Tapering Program reduces both the incidence and severity of withdrawal reactions. Research has shown that when patients stop antidepressants cold turkey they can have high rates of withdrawal reactions, which vary depending on the particular drug. In studies involving hundreds of patients, 66 percent of patients stopping Paxil, 60 percent of patients stopping Zoloft, and 78 percent of patients stopping Effexor have withdrawal reactions. Unfortunately, most doctors and patients have not been adequately informed about the problem of antidepressant withdrawal reactions. Under these circumstances, not surprisingly patients suffer high rates of withdrawal symptoms, including severe reactions. However, following the guidelines of the tapering program, in my experience most patients have no withdrawal reaction at all or mild withdrawal reactions that they tolerate comfortably. The concern with withdrawal reactions should not overshadow the beneficial effects many patients report with antidepressants. Medications are not bad because they cause withdrawal symptoms when stopped too quickly. Other important classes of medications that can cause withdrawal reactions are blood pressure medications and anticonvulsants. With these drugs, doctors are familiar with how to taper them. While the magnitude of the problem of withdrawal and dependence with todays antidepressants has caught doctors and patients largely by surprise and is one the pharmaceutical industry has sought to minimize or deny, it is a problem that has to be confronted honestly and directly. The good news is that with proper information, doctors and patients can almost always safely and effectively overcome antidepressant withdrawal and dependence. Indeed, once patients are ready to go off antidepressants, tapering them over time provides a wonderful opportunity for collaboration, joint decision making, and strengthening the doctor-patient relationship that is at the heart of good medicine.
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Re: How to Get Off Paxil
Rob - thank you for sharing.
On A/D's since 1995, switching due to side-effects on 30 different brands of TCA's, SSRI's, SNRI's, Antipsychotics, Benzo's & Imovane. 6 ECT's. Tapering from 225 mg Effexor XR May 17, 2004. (Equiv. to 60 mg Paxil) Last taper Effexor XR Jan 17, 2006 down to ZERO. Currently protracted withdrawal. Sept 2006: 25 mg Doxepin. March 13/09: 10 mg Desipramine
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Re: How to Get Off Paxil
THANK YOU SO MUCH for sharing that with us! Just reading the info on the link has calmed me (and right now is after 1:00 am and I can't sleep). Tomorrow I'm going to buy that book because that's exactly what I'm going through right now. I feel so full of hope! Now that I feel calm and reassured, I think I'll try to get some sleep. Thank you.
-12/30/05 switched from 10mg generic paxil to 10mg generic celexa
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Re: How to Get Off Paxil
Wow... every prescribing doctor should be FORCED to read that!!!!
I DID IT! Off Paxil - Symptom Free!
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Re: How to Get Off Paxil
Thanks, Rob! Wish I and my doctor had known about this 15 months ago. Too late for me now. The damage done to my body functions now seem irreversible. Just getting more and more dizzy and tired now and beginning to seriously doubt I will survive this.
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