text: FacebookTwitterGoogle+E-mail *Umm Reem describes her attempt at exorcism and the conversations that occurred during this experience. Please note that this questions of fiqhi nature may not be addressed, as this was not intended to be a course on the methodology of exorcism. Also, as we all know, the Jinn mix a hundred lies with one truth. So, the mention of the Jinn's profession of Sikhism/Hinduism faiths could be complete lies, esp. since these faiths do not worship Satan as the Jinn professed. No offense is intended to other faiths as the story is being narrated from what was told to Umm Reem, so she she cannot control what was said or not said to her. Finally, please do not try this at home!* We read and we believe in every word of Noble Qu'ran and the ahadeeth of the Prophet . We believe, without ever doubting, in all that Qur'an and ahadeeth talks about although we may never witness it. However, sometimes by Allah's Mercy, we get to experience something further which affirms our faith and satisfies our hearts, and we thank Allah azzawjal for allowing us such an opportunity. It is for this reason that I want to share an incident, hoping that may this be a beneficial and iman-boosting read for everyone. During my visit to Pakistan last month, I had the opportunity to read over a 'possessed' girl. I will not discuss the details, but my conversation with the jinn, a creation of Allah that we have heard of but never seen, is definitely worth sharing. The conversation was a mixture of Urdu and Punjabi and I tried to be as precise as I can with the translation. This is not the complete conversation, but bits and pieces. I started of with the adhan and some recitation from Qur'an until it, or she to be precise, agreed to talk to me. She was a female Jinnee named Seeta who had possessed a Muslim girl for almost 6-7 years. It wasn't a voluntary possession rather a case of black magic. As advised, I tried to invite her to Islam first. Apparently it was the first time anyone had ever invited her to Islam so she was a little shocked: Seeta: How can I become a Muslim? Me: Why not, anyone can become a Muslim. Seeta: But I am evil and I have done many evil actions. Me: It's okay you will be forgiven if you truly repent. My Rabb is the Most forgiving! Seeta: But I've been a Hindu for centuries, I cannot change now. Me: Sure you can if you truly believe that Islam is the true religion. Why don't you go around and see. You can travel very fast. Go around and you will find Muslim Jinns of your kind. Talk to them and ask them, they will teach you about this religion. Seeta: Yes, I know. Their caravans pass by us and we make fun of them. SubhanAllah, I was truly amazed when she said this. It reminded me of the first ayah of Surah Jinn: "Say (O Muhammad): "It has been revealed to me that a group of jinns listened (to this Qur'an). They said: 'Verily! We have heard a wonderful Recital (this Qur'an)!" And I pictured a "group" of Jinn and how they still travel in caravans! Me: Haven't you seen the angels when you go up on the heavens and tried to listen to their conversations? Seeta: Yes. They throw stones at us. I've been hit by them many times. My right arm was broken because of that!! My heart skipped a beat. I couldn't help but pause and just stare at the sky for few seconds. Up above those heavens, stern guards of Allah, the angels, are protecting the skies with meteor ('stones' as Seeta said), exactly how it is described in the Qur'an: "And we have sought to reach the heaven; but found it filled with stern guards and flaming fires. And verily, we used to sit there in stations, to (steal) a hearing, but any who listens now will find a flaming fire watching him in ambush." (Jinn: 8-9) "Verily! We have adorned the near heaven with the stars (for beauty).And to guard against every rebellious devil. They cannot listen to the higher group (angels) for they are pelted from every side. Outcast, and theirs is a constant (or painful) torment. Except such as snatch away something by stealing and they are pursued by a flaming fire of piercing brightness." (Saffat: 6-10) I swear by Allah, I don't see a reason why anyone's eyes will not over flow with tears at this—tears of joy, a feeling of contentment, and a blissful satisfaction. subhanAllah, a matter of 'unseen' was being described by someone who had seen it yet not believed in it, and was describing without realizing the effects it was having on the listener, not only just me but the others around and the ones who will hear it for as long as I shall live. During our conversation, I learned that she was a Sikh but got married to a Hindu jinn (who died) and she adopted her husband's religion and she insisted that husband's religion is wife's religion (wow talk about obedience to husbands!). But, she tried to cause confusion by insisting that she was an evil dead-soul ('bad ruh' the concept of which still confuses many Pakistanis). Previously she had everyone believed that she was an evil dead-soul, but when I rebuked her a few times for lying and told her that she wasn't dead yet, then finally she confessed. In any case, she asked me to give her time to think. But when I reminded her of death and the Day of Judgment, she asked the same 'legendary' question that why will she get hurt in Hellfire when she is made of fire! At times she also said that she doesn't want to change her religion. And finally she said what manifested her 'nature' and confirmed her reality: "I know Allah is the Creator but I cannot bow down to him!" La howla wala quwatta illa billah. Same arrogance, same pride. Didn't Iblees refuse to make sajdah even though he was certain of Allah being the Creator: "…Aba wastakbarah…"[And they prostrated except Iblîs (Satan), he refused and was proud and was one of the disbelievers. 2:34] I told her that she was doing exactly what her 'master' Iblees had done, and she replied: "We are all of the same nature!" iyyadhobillah. I sat there staring at her thinking to myself that this creation is low in intellect and high in arrogance and so even after seeing the clear Miracles of Allah azzawjal refuses to believe. On the other hand, humans cannot see what these jinns can see, but are blessed with a higher intellect. And perhaps that's why humanity has more 'logical' and 'reasonable' proofs with the addition of the living miracle of Qur'an to see the truthfulness of Islam, yet if humans refuse then what good is that intellect which still leads to arrogance and ignorance! We seek Allah's refuge from the evil characteristics of arrogance, a trait of shaytaan. Of the things that she said about Ibless was that he has a throne above the water! The Messenger of Allah said: "Iblees placed his throne on water then he sends out his emissaries…" (Muslim, 5023) She also said that he has told them that he will wear a crown on the Day of Judgment. He has also promised them of unlimited 'rewards'. She said, "Your Rabb has promised you rewards and our Iblees has promised us rewards." Surely his promises are nothing but lies, as mentioned in Qur'an: "And Shaitân (Satan) will say when the matter has been decided: "Verily, Allah promised you a promise of truth. And I too promised you, but I betrayed you. I had no authority over you except that I called you, so you responded to me. So blame me not, but blame yourselves. I cannot help you, nor can you help me. I deny your former act in associating me (Satan) as a partner with Allah (by obeying me in the life of the world). Verily, there is a painful torment for the Zâlimûn (polytheists and wrong-doers, etc.)." (14:22) And surely he will turn his backs on all those who obeyed him: "Their allies deceived them) like Shaitân (Satan), when he says to man: "Disbelieve in Allah." But when (man) disbelieves in Allah, Shaitân (Satan) says: "I am free of you, I fear Allah, the Lord of the 'Alamîn (mankind, jinns and all that exists)!" (59:16) She had a particular obsession with Iblees's beauty and kept repeating how handsome he is, a'oodhobillahi minhu. She also uttered a lot of evil which can only be uttered by someone wicked, and I will not mention it here. Let me mention that the spell was cast upon the girl out of sheer jealousy and sadly by a very close relative. That day, as I read Surah Falaq upon her and got to the last verse, wAllahi I felt like I was reading it for the first time. It was as if I could 'understand' the meanings of it: "And from the evil of the envier when he envies." I was able to see what jealousy can cause; I could see the dangers of the one who becomes jealous, iyyadhobillah. That day, I truly appreciated the du'as of protecting oneself from evil eye and jealousy, and the adhkar of day and night. Let me also state a few things that I had previously learned about jinns, mainly from Bilal Philip's book and from Sh. Yasir's Aqeedah class, and were confirmed by talking to Seeta: She mentioned that if she leaves that girl, then she would want to possess someone else, I asked her the reason and she said: "Because it is fun and I enjoy bothering people!" a'oodhobiAllah! She liked attention and perhaps that's why she was so talkative. However, she was a liar who tried to cause as many confusion as she possibly could. She had a strong hold on the girl while in the bathroom. To be honest, some of the incidents were quite scary and I won't even mention them. My sincere advice is to never forget the du'a before entering the bathroom! To conclude, I have some advice for myself and for everyone else. To have a strong faith in Allah azzawjal and placing one's tawakkul in Allah alone is a strong weapon against shayateen. If I ever get the permission from this sister, I would like to write about how she was before when the Jinn possessed her and how improving her faith kept weakening the jinn in her. The beautiful adhkaar and the du'as are indeed a fortress of a believer. To be quite honest, that is the only defense we have against them but it is the fortification if we read with certainty and belief. Be punctual with the prayers and read Qur'an. Make sure you recite Qur'an, and if you cannot (for some reasonable reason) then have it recited in your house everyday. Read your du'a's before leaving and upon entering the house (so shayateen don't enter with you), before eating, before entering the bathroom and especially before falling asleep. May Allah azzawjal protect us from the fitan and sharr of all the shayateen among men and jinn, protect our spouses, children, families and all the Muslims around the world. Lastly and most importantly, may Allah azzawjal reward Sh. Yasir Qadhi for his valuable advice and for taking time out to assist me throughout the exorcism. FacebookTwitterGoogle+E-mail 363 Responses Muslim007 February 11, 2008 Duaa is truly the weapon of the believer. 6 0 Reply MD July 17, 2010 Du'a – Weapon of the Believers – Yasir Qadhi http://www.islamictube.com/watch/3f310e02425ad984b3d8/Du-a-Weapon-of-the-Believers-Yasir-Qadhi—Peace-Conference-2009 2 0 Reply Irum Sarfaraz February 11, 2008 Absolutely amazing. So she never agreed to accept Islam? Isn't there a possibility that she will try to remain 'in touch' with you in the future now that you have opened an avenue of direct conversation with her? Chilling possibility…. 8 4 Reply iMuslim February 11, 2008 Amazing, subhanallah. I had a conversation about this very subject with some non-Muslim friends recently – they also held beliefs in the "unseen", though with a different explanation to that of Qur'an & Sunnah. One thought I had was this kind of activity seems to be a lot more prevalent "back home" (i.e., Pakistan/India), than here in the UK. I'm not sure if my observation is correct though. I haven't read Bilal Phillip's book. I was wondering, does it explain the difference between the signs of true possession, and potential mental illness? I worry that many people automatically assume the involvement of curses and jinn, whereas in fact the problem may be entirely medical in nature, and thus requires the relevant treatment. Though ruqyah should help in any circumstance I suppose (is the exact intention important in the efficacy of ruqyah?). 6 0 Reply raj November 24, 2009 can jiin come with any person, and what type of it? 0 1 Reply Imam-Mustafa Ali July 16, 2014 Assalamu Waalaykum I have studied Demonology and I can tell you that the signs are very distinct and is like night and day compared to mental illsness for example one who is possessed often displays un-human strength and will have bowl movements unlike humans. In one of the most infamous possession cases a girl who I wont mention her name was possessed by 9 demons and shaytan was present during 14 days of the 28 that the exorcism took place. She did not eat hardly anything and would only sip water and milk but would pee up to 4 gallons of urine at a time and was reported that the smell was so horrific that no one who was there that day had ever smelled such smell she was under a 100 lbs in body weight but possessed strength of a body builder on steroids as she could throw people thru air like nothing. all while being awake it took 10 people to hold her down she also spoke many different languages in which she could have not known for she was only 14 years old and could recite Quran Bible Torah to perfection in the original language and would often correct those who recited the Duaa if they misprounced a word but this was the demon whos name I will not mention who did this Mentally ill can posses some of these traits but not to the magnitude that a possessed person does like strength the possessed often has knowledge of the unknown like any sin you ever committed in secret but one way to counter this is repent and confess to Allah S.W.T. as for some reason only known to Allah the demons had no knowledge of these sins that were confessed to Allah and forgiven by Allah. only of those sins in which you never confessed or repented and the demons use this knowledge to turn you away from helping the possessed by humiliating you infront of others present. there are some demons who are very strong which I wont mention so please don't ask but in this article this is a demon who is weak in evil but still not to be underestimated as it is explained in Islam that some of the jinn will be forgiven and granted Junnah but which ones we do not know Please keep in touch with this person and demon as it sounds like your guidance could save this jinn from eternal hell fire In-Shaa-Allah 3 0 Reply khan November 4, 2014 U r right in some cases the problem will be mental illness bit many many cases which people think its mental illness but it is the problem of jinn… 0 0 Reply iMuslim February 11, 2008 Another question: what "qualifications" are required for a person to attempt exorcism? I imagine a sound knowledge of Q&S, and also a firm standing in the deen? 0 2 Reply Imam-Mustafa Ali July 16, 2014 DO NOT attempt anything if your not strong in deen and you don't have perfect recital of Quran or other teachings you will get more than you bargin for way too dangerous as shaytan and his followers know the Quran better then most humans 1 0 Reply Nazihah February 11, 2008 SubhanAllah. Thanx for all the reminders. 1 1 Reply khawla February 11, 2008 Assalamu'alaikum Umm Reem Jazzakillah for sharing your experience. SubhanAllah. I remember when I was a child, something heavy would be tickling me on my feet or sat on my chest in bed. Alhamdulillah, not knowing anything about the Jinn but my mom always reminded us to recite ayatul Kursi and the three Quls before bed time, whatever the thing was, dissappeared in time. I think, your suggestion is great, it is good for mothers to teach their small children all those du'aas before eating, going to the bathroom, going in and coming out of the house, before sleeping, make Wudoo, recite Qur'an and do Witr prayer. Now days I see kids are becoming more like the Jinns themselves. 4 1 Reply Dawud Israel February 11, 2008 Tell us about the stuff you didn't want to tell us about…the scary and evil stuff… You know if you do that—than it will definitely make us remember our duaas! :D 12 4 Reply Ibrahim October 11, 2012 our fear of Allah should be enough to motivate us to pray, if we require a fear of any less magnitude to motivate us then we must definitely build on our imaan 16 0 Reply mummyjaan February 11, 2008 Assalam alaikum. iMuslim has raised an important issue. 'Back home', in India, Pakistan, and indeed in KSA where I have also lived, many people with mental illnesses are first taken to 'aamil's ("exorcists") and the awareness about mental illness is abysmally low. So how do you know if somebody is behaving oddly, that it isn't something like schizophrenia with hallucinations or some other psychosis? Do "exorcists" ever end up mistaking one for the other? — What you've written is interesting, but for some reason, I didn't come away fully convinced. Guess some of us are more skeptical than others. (Maybe it's because you only gave us some details :-)). I do keep up with the entries on your blog, which are always very good. 4 1 Reply Zeeshan August 20, 2009 But here is another thought…how do you know that the so-called mental illnesses are not actually the possession of jinn? Someone also remarked that there aren't too many such stories in places like the UK and that they only happen "back home†(Pakistan/india). The fact is, we hear about them more often from muslim countries because alhumdullilah, we know who the jinn are and can identify peoples odd or strange behavior as a possible possession. That concept does not exist in the west, where such behavior is labeled as mental illness and not someone possessed. 3 0 Reply suhaim October 22, 2009 I am sorry to say that you knowledge is not that much about what people believe in west as I myself am dutch and alhumdulilla muslim, I guess you have never seen national geography channel lately, as the paranormal researchers declared the most haunted place on earth is London. another comment is regarding kids becoming like jinns is just because parents are not that much of a good example of a good muslim them selves, remember. 0 0 Shereen June 28, 2010 I was thinking along the same line as this writer about 'Pakistan etc having more than UK.." The number of mentally sick are staggering in the west but they are taking prescriptions to keep "calm"..not cured. It is hard to get hold of the Psychiatrist Chart and many veils to investigate it. Many families have it as a genetic disease and does not want the world to know as hold key positions in UN and heads of countries. I would assume they will definitely not want the Arab world or Muslims to know of their mental problems? I once heard that a certain faith group (cannot mention d/t liability..) has so many genetic problems in the mental area that few were reverting to Islam for cure… and then cured. These are arch enemies of Islam now muslim. 0 0 javed November 12, 2014 good question.. a very valid one… surely not all cases are of jinn possession or black magic… and it is possible to differenciate one from the other… if u visit a proper alim or a priest, he will be able to tell u right away or by performing some ruqya what exactly is the case cuz jinns react to the recital of the Quran, duas and ruqya… infact many correct alims or priests will tell u inadvance that it is not necessary that it is black magic or possession.. that it could be a medical condition also… 0 0 Reply Dawud Israel February 11, 2008 "Now days I see kids are becoming more like the Jinns themselves." I was thinking the exact same thing… 1 2 Reply Umm Reem February 11, 2008 Irum: No she never converted. In fact, the last day she told me that whatever I call Hellfire is paradise for her! As for her 'keeping in touch'…hmm…i'm not sure, i might have a surprise guest one day! :) Seriously though, I just have to be more careful with the adhkar. Khawla: "Now days I see kids are becoming more like the Jinns themselves." I used to think that too until I saw the harms this evil jinn had caused on that poor girl, may Allah release her from this difficulty. Br. Dawud: Wasn't all that enough to motivate?! iMuslim: I don't know about the 'qualifications'. All I did is asked sh. yasir before i did it. But I had heard a shaikh say once that exorcism is not for everyone because the jinn can come after them. Besides, jinns try to cause confusions during the conversations, so a person must be sound and firm, wAllahu 'alam. And you are right, it seems more prevalent in Pakistan. In fact, I was thinking about writing a part 2 on my observations there. People esp. women have too much time to become jealous of others, leading themselves to go to magicians. I went to find the 'spell/voodoo' with her to different graveyards, and subhanAllah the number of voodoos that were there, it seemed half of Lahore should be under spell, iyyadhobillah!! 2 0 Reply muslim woman January 25, 2013 I am a indian muslim woman .I came to canada in 2011. since 1-2 months I am feeling something in me on my head and my back. can you help me. I live in toronto. 3 1 Reply inexplicabletimelessness February 11, 2008 SubhanAllah! This story really gives one the chills and it is hard not to have an eman boost after reading this. Jazak Allah khair for sharing this with us! 2 0 Reply Shereen June 28, 2010 Alhamdulillah yes,,an Imaan boost… How can we in the community help a family that may have an individual (adult or child) who may have these symptoms? There is an increasing amount of teenagers suffering with disobedience after the arrival of TV , western music, video games and Hollywood movies…. The Oppositional Defiance Disorder [ODD] has skyrocketed… 0 0 Reply AnonyMouse February 11, 2008 *Shudders* May Allah protect us all, ameen! My dad's had a number of experiences with jinn possession, not just from his Medinah days but even here in Canada! The last one was the scariest… a teen boy possessed by a female jinn (10 times stronger than the male!)… he'd fly into rages, attack people, had unnatural strength… his parents took him first to the more cultural desis to be read over and stuff, but they did the wrong thing – gave him amulets, which just made it worse. Finally they took him to my dad, who recited Qur'an, talked to the jinni, thumped on the chest, etc. I remember the one night my dad came home, he was soooo tired and worried about all of us and kept reminding us to say the adkhaar and recite Aayatul-Kursi and the Mu'awadhatain, because that day was apparently the day the jinn was most active and talkative (and angry!), and he was afraid that she might come after us or get other jinn she knew to harm us somehow… al-Hamdulillaah we've been safe so far! (This was a couple years ago.) Always, my dad emphasizes that you HAVE to be strong in emaan and 'aqeedah (because of the confusion they like to cause)… strenght of emaan/ taqwa is the most important, because if you're weak, then even if you're doing the right things (reciting Qur'an and so on), it may not have the desired effect on the jinn. 1 0 Reply AlHafiz September 3, 2014 Alhamdulillah its good to have faith and strong belief Dear jinns are not strong enough to resist the word of Allah and can be dealt with from thousands of miles InshahAllah 0 0 Reply AnonyMouse February 11, 2008 P.S. A story to add to the Jinn collection, perhaps? http://muslimmouse.blogspot.com/2007/10/book-project-ideas-so-that-i-dont.html 0 0 Reply mummyjaan February 11, 2008 Assalam alaikum, Umm Reem. Perhaps there is comment moderation enabled here, or perhaps my 1st comment ended up in the spam folder. iMuslim raised an important point, which would merit answering. From my own previous experience, I know that 'back home', i.e., India, Pakistan, anyone behaving oddly is taken first to 'aamils' ("exorcists") without a thought being given to the possibility of mental illness being present. How would you know the person deemed to be 'possessed' is not in fact suffering from schizophrenia with its various type of hallucinations or some other psychosis? Is there a possibility that a person with a mental illness could be mistakenly deemed "possessed"? As to the above narrative that you have described, it is fascinating, and I think we should always say our dua's, whether we have read this article or not – there is indeed great power in the verses of the Quran. However, on some level, I am not entirely convinced about this incident. I don't know why – maybe because some 'details' were missing? Or because it is still a 3rd person narrative? Just being really skeptical here, I suppose. Wallahu 'alam :). 0 0 Reply AnonyMouse February 11, 2008 Sorry mummyjaan, Akismet spam folder caught your comment! Also, it is indeed important to distinguish between mental illness and jinn possession – many times my father has had people coming to him complaining that they or a family member is being "haunted" by jinn when in fact it's a purely medical issue… I think that this is something imaams/ shuyookh need to remind people in the community of, because there's so much stigma attached to mental illness that the people would rather pretend it's a jinn's fault! 0 0 Reply Imtiaz February 11, 2008 One of the reasons given to us by Shaykh Abdul-Bary during the Purification Act as to one possibilities why Jinn were more prevalent back home is: When people die (back homes tend to be places where there were many wars) their Qareen does not necessarily die with them, and as there are many unemployed jinn, they tend to create mischief… Allahu Allam 0 0 Reply AnonyMouse February 11, 2008 Oh, and an excellent book on the subject of exhorsism: "The Exorcist Tradition in Islam" by Sheikh Bilal Philips. Covers methodology of exorcism from the sunnah, as well as discusses how it's done in other cultures and religions… big book, really heavy, but waayyyyyyy cool! 0 0 Reply Amad February 11, 2008 I should add a few background points: 1) The family is actually very educated. The kids (including the girl) were raised in Dubai and all went to some of the best schools. 2) The father is the most skeptical out of the bunch. So, he took the girl to a psychiatrist and was treated for almost 2 yrs. The meds had essentially no affect, except that she bloated as a side-effect of it. 3) The jinnie actually gave some specific information about the magician's residence, which was later confirmed. In fact, this guy is a well known black magician but people are afraid to "mess with him" for obvious reasons. I would also like to remind everyone that being a Muslim implies that we believe in the unseen world. We are the same people who believe in the miracles that the Prophet (S) performed, we believe in the miracles such as the parting the sea that Prophet Moses (AS) performed, the miracles such as the healing of Jesus (AS), and so on. And for any Christians reading this, the belief in something even more incredulous, in that God Himself was incarnated in a man on earth. Now I am not saying that you have to accept this story or any other specific story in order to affirm your belief in the hidden, but I do find it amusing when some of the "intellectuals" deny anything that is supernatural, even the miracles of the Prophet (S) -such as splitting of the moon, yet forgetting that our belief in God itself is faith in the unseen and supernatural! I also wondered why Pakistan has more than its fair share of these issues, but it only takes a visit to the graveyard and witness the spells wrapped up in pieces of clothes completely covering trees. Amazingly, many people don't realize the kufr that is involved in it. But it reminds me of the article that Sr. Irum wrote about the religion-less class of Muslims in Pakistan. In fact, I was told by a tablighee brother that many people in the villages don't even know the kalimah! So, yes, many don't realize. May Allah help us all. 0 0 Reply ibnabeeomar February 11, 2008 does anyone know where bilal philips book can be purchased? i was looking for it a while back but everyone seemed to be out of stock 0 0 Reply Muslim February 11, 2008 Not only Pakistan. Malaysia/Singapore/Indonesia has its fair share also (nowadays, to speak of such things there labels one as a "cuckoo" I'm afraid). I remember when younger living in a "village" and some possession happening to someone and I was too young "to understand it". Perhaps it might be related to the region's Hindu past before Islam. I always kid that there are no (or less incidences) in Canada because all the jinn have to wear bulky parkas because of the cold, and we can hear them coming a mile away! (and the bulky clothes limit their mobility) ;) 0 0 Reply islam blog February 11, 2008 Jazakallah for sharing this. First off, kudos to sister Umm Reem for having the courage to help another Muslim in need. Many men I know, would shudder to even try and face off with the Jinn. I've learned a bit about exorcism from my shaykh. I live in India and black magic is all over the place. There is a serious dearth of people who can treat these people using the methods prescribed in the Sunnah. My Shaykh always insists that apart from having others reciting Qur'an and adhkaar over the 'ill' person, the affected person must them self engage in regular and intense dhikr. He summarizes it in four points that can safeguard you from the Jinn. 1. Tahaarah (Purity) 2. Tilaawah (Reciting the Qur'aan) 3. Dhikr 4. Salah (which is very important) Of course someone who is regular in practicing these four can still be affected. Therefore, relying on Allah is the most important point that we must keep in mind. Jazakallah once again. 0 0 Reply Organic Muslimah February 11, 2008 I have lots of questions. Only because, as the Pakistani culture is crazy about this stuff, so is the Egyptian culture. I want to first state. I do believe in the unseen world. I do believe that there are jinn in their SEPARATE world. I do believe that magic does exist and whomever practices is it is committing kufr! Now, as for my questions: 1) Where in the life of Prophet Muhammad did he perform an exorcism? 2) Where in the traditions of Islam (Quran and Sunnah) does it say that the seen and unseen world mix? 3) How can you tell the difference between a case of mental illness and a case of the Jinns? 4) If what people claim they are doing is according to the Quran and sunnah, where do they get their healing prescription from? (There is an Arabic term for it, that I can't remember. I've read about famous Saudi shoyookh performing these steps and claiming it's sunnah). I would like the proof for it. Now, in the case there is no evidence that the Prophet ever performed exorcism, don't you think it's odd that RasulAllah wouldn't teach us something so important? Last Ramadan, a famous Arabic channel hosted a show with various scholars and mental health professionals discussing the issue. Some scholars claimed to be married to a Jinnyah and having children. The sheikhs with an opposing view determined that there is no such thing as mixing between the seen and unseen world. I would love to hear your thoughts on it. Thank you in advance. 1 0 Reply Umm Reem February 11, 2008 Mummyjaan: you are right that anyone having a bit of a different attitude is considered 'possessed' in Pakistan, and u can read about it on my blog where i talked about this problem. But this was the first case that i heard had the symptoms of the 'real' possession. I don't feel comfortable discussing her personal life, but the intimate details are not symptoms of schizophrenia or other psychosis. In addition, she was treated by psychologists for two years. Besides, for her to know all the above seems a little impossible as she was not as Islamically educated. In any case, I do appreciate your honestly about being skeptical, maybe because you don't know me and to believe some unknown person is not right! This could be a small example of accepting 'narrations' from others! I cannot tell you anything more then to ask those who know me, to be satisfied that inshaAllah I wouldn't make this up :) But if you are skeptical about the girl being possessed or her making up all that stuff, then again she wasn't islamically as educated. Moreover, she tried to describe my living room to me and she has never visited my home! 1 0 Reply AnonyMouse February 11, 2008 Sis OM: 1) There are various ahadeeth describing "ruqya" – the practice of reciting Qur'an over someone who is possessed or afflicted with the Evil Eye, and even for medical stuff like being bitten by a snake or scorpion. Sahih Bukhari, Book of Medicine, #634: Narrated Aisha: The Prophet ordered me or somebody else to do Ruqya (if there was danger) from an evil eye. Also, I can't find the hadith right now, but I recall the hadith of the Sahabi who treated the son of a tribal chief with ruqya, and when he reported it to the Prophet (sallallaahu 'alaihi wa sallam), he approved of it. As well, there was the incident when the Prophet (sallallaahu 'alaihi wa sallam) was afflicted with black magic, and the angel Jibreel came to him and informed him of it, and taught him how to deal with it. 0 0 Reply AnonyMouse February 11, 2008 Actually, the best answer to your questions is the book I reccommended above – "The Exorcist Tradition in Islam" by Bilal Philips. It covers pretty much everything! (Unfortunately, I dunno where you can purchase it… although my old Islamic centre's library has it!) 0 0 Reply Organic Muslimah February 11, 2008 Thanks Mouse! I know that there is daleel about black magic, but what about jinn possession? Black magic, hasad and Jinn possession aren't the same. 0 0 Reply AnonyMouse February 11, 2008 Ah, here we go – a brief explanation on jinn, pointing out where it says in the Qur'an and Sunnah that the world of the unseen can 'mix' with seen: (link) (BTW, there are loads of ahadeeth mentioning the Prophet and sahaaba interacting with the jinn… and remember Surah al-Jinn?) 0 0 Reply Organic Muslimah February 11, 2008 Thanks again Mousey! I know the prophet interacted with the Jinn, but were any of the Sahabah or followers of the time ever possessed with Jinn? I appreciate your efforts. This topic has been one of those topics I haven't had the time to do proper research on, so I am taking advantage of all the knowledge here :) Jazzakum Allah Khair in advance for taking the time to answer me. 0 0 Reply AnonyMouse February 11, 2008 Wa iyyaki, no problem! :) I don't know if any of the sahaaba were ever possessed, although I do know that they occasionally met/ interacted with them, as with Abu Hurayrah (ra) when he was guarding the treasury and a jinn came to him 3 nights in a row trying to decieve him, and eventually left him with the advice to recite aayatul-Kursi as protection. Also, the hadith I referred to above, with Abu Sa'eed al-Khudri, had to do with jinn possession… *Correction, the Sahabi was NOT Abu Sa'eed al-Khudri, it was Alaqah ibn Sahar at-Tamimi, and the hadith is in Sunan Abu Dawood, the Book of Medicine, #3892. 0 0 Reply SaqibSaab February 11, 2008 Very intriguing post. JazakAllah khair Umm Reem. ibnabeeomar: This was the only site I found for the book that doesn't say "out of stock." http://onlineislamicstore.com/b6370.html Doesn't look like it has much info on the book (cover illustration, pages, etc.) so maybe the store doesn't have it but just give them a call/Email and see. 0 0 Reply Peaches February 11, 2008 Anonymouse, Amad or Ruth, For some crazy reason, I forgot the subject of thr post where you all were giving me infornmation on a website where I could find out more information about the Muslim faith. I had it written down, but I misplaced it. I don't want to seem ditzy, but is of to re ask any of you guys for the web address to that site? Thanks a bunch. 0 0 Reply Amad February 11, 2008 Peaches, why don't you email us at info at muslimmatters dot org and we can give you some more quality time for your questions, etc. Would that work? 0 0 Reply Saminu August 16, 2010 I want to know about exorcism in Islam is it good or not and did there any Hadith about,pls reply me. Maassalam. 0 0 Reply Umm Reem February 11, 2008 Organic Muslimah: Prophet sallallhu alihi waslam did perform exorcism on a boy and the hadeeth is narrated in Ahmad (vol 4 pg. 170) and al-Hakim. I highly encourage you to read Bilal Philip's book 'The Exorcist Tradition in Islam'. This book has all the answers to your questions and in great detail. This book is amazing. It was originally his thesis paper for his PhD in Exorcism from Wales. He not only talks about Islamic practice but even briefly presents the Christan concept of exorcism. I really wish someone can translate the book in Urdu and distribute it in Pakistan :) 0 0 Reply Nazia February 11, 2008 Wowww. This is an AMAZING story, subhanAllah. Stories like these help re-energize our imaan in an empirical, factual, and scientific world. And the ayahs you quoted are so perfectly matched to what the jinni was saying. May Allah give us all strength of imaan and tawwakkul. Dhikr a day keeps shaytaan away. SubhanAllah. 1 0 Reply Organic Muslimah February 11, 2008 Thanks Umm Reem for the daleel. 0 0 Reply AnonyMouse February 11, 2008 Umm Reem, maybe YOU should translate it! :D 0 0 Reply Sami February 11, 2008 subhan'Allah 0 0 Reply Niqaabis February 11, 2008 May Allaah protect us from the evils of al-ghaib aameen 0 0 Reply ReemAkon February 11, 2008 UmmReem you never cease to impress me. lol. This was an amazing Yakeen booster. JazakAllahkhaira 0 0 Reply mummyjaan February 11, 2008 Umm Reem, Assalam alaikum. Thank you for your reply. When I talk of being skeptical, I don't mean I doubt your truthfulness – indeed, I read your blog, and you write wonderfully inspiring articles, so I have no reason to doubt you. There are other things in my mind…. Like the sequences and conversations you related – you stated that this 'jinnie' lied repeatedly. How is one to know it was a jinn/jinniya at all? What if you were conversing directly with the ol' Shaitan himself? Possible? Quite an interview.. Whose voice was it that conversed with you? Was it the girl herself or a different voice? The other possibility that I still entertain is some form of mental disorder because they can take various forms and some can be difficult to treat. Indeed, many patients have chronic courses, having several remissions and relapses, and need continual care from the Mental Health Services. I wonder if, with so much talk about black magic and jinns and all, if patients make up these stories and tell the exorcists what they want to hear? I'm really wondering out loud rather than disputing what you've said, Umm Reem, so I hope you're not offended. I have actually heard many, many stories of 'possessions' and 'exorcisms' in both India and Saudi Arabia, so it's not something out of the blue for me. (Including the tales of the jinn in our ancestral home who would throw out guests onto the road in the middle of the night – I never saw him – "oh but that's because you're family – he doesn't bother family".) In fact, I've even sat in a gathering with a shaikh who 'spoke' to 'possessed' women, and 'cured' them with Quranic verses and dua's. However, I've always wondered: is it indeed what I'm seeing or hearing, or is it not? It would have been really interesting to actually see you do it – I would have shaken off my skepticism for good. Then again, maybe not – I would probably have died of fright! 1 0 Reply Shirien February 11, 2008 MashaAllah, La qowwita illa billah. Very well written mashaAllah. Amazing story, and full of things to raise your iman. It truly sent chills down my body.. subhanallah when I read those verses in the Quran inshaAllah appreciate them so much more, jazaki Allahu khairun. 0 0 Reply SaqibSaab February 11, 2008 One question I have… What do we tell people who say they've seen Jinn? Many people who go through such trials or have schtizo type problems recall their encounters as, "I know that what I was seeing were the Jinn." Yet Allah (SWT) says in the Quran "Verily, he and Qabeeluhu (his soldiers from the jinn or his tribe) see you from where you cannot see them" [A'raaf 7:27] Do we believe that whatever these people saw, IF they were truly Jinn, then they were Jinn taking different forms besides their natural state (or also just their mind breaking down on them in their server psychological conditions)? I read this fatwa from IslamQA already, but my question is more for what kind of understanding should we present to our brothers and sisters who think they've actually seen Jinn in their natural form. Don't want them to believe something against an ayat in the Quran, now, do we? :) Sh. Yasir? 0 0 Reply Umm Reem February 11, 2008 Do we believe that whatever these people saw, IF they were truly Jinn, then they were Jinn taking different forms besides their natural state (or also just their mind breaking down on them in their server psychological conditions)? "The lowest catagory of jinn in terms of their power or ability is referred to in Arabic as hinn. This catagory includes the weakest of the jinn and also those who appear in the form of dogs which are completely black." [Lisaan al'Arab, vol. 13, p. 132] The jinn that suddenly appear in horrible, rapidly changing forms in the presence of humans are rferred to in Arabic as ghool (pl. gheelaan). Mention of them can be found in the hadeeths. For example, the Prophet, sallallahu alihi wasalam was quoted as saying, "If the gheelaan appear and transform themselves before you, call the athaan." [Al Musnad, vol. 3p. 305] And we know that jinns can appear in forms of other animals like snake. Or in a form of human being like what happened with Abu Hurairah (ra). Bilal Philip's does mention though of opinions in his book that Jinn cannot be seen in their 'real' form except by the Prophet. 0 0 Reply Abd- Allah January 5, 2010 Assalam Alaikum Shaykh Al-Albani graded the following hadith as being weak: "If the gheelaan appear and transform themselves before you, call the athaan.†Allah knows best 0 0 Reply saad February 11, 2008 subhanallah, that was amazing, real halal talk….. 0 0 Reply Islam Blog » A Conversation with a Jinn: The Exorcism Experience February 11, 2008 [...] A Conversation with a Jinn: The Exorcism Experience I started of with the adhaan and some recitation from Qur'an until it, or she to be precise, agreed to talk to me. She was a female Jinnee named Seeta who had possessed a Muslim girl for almost 6-7 years. It wasn't a voluntary possession rather a case of black magic. As advised, I tried to invite her to Islam first. Apparently it was the first time anyone had ever invited her to Islam so she was a little shocked: [...] 0 0 Reply Sadia Khan February 12, 2008 SubhanAllah Umm Reem, the story was gripping! It's amazing with all the black magic that goes on in Pakistan and all the people being possessed, that she hadn't been invited to Islam yet. Also the part where the Jinn stated she couldn't bow down to Allah even though she knows He is the Creator, is so revealing of the true nature of evil beings, subhanAllah. May Allah have mercy on our souls. 1 0 Reply Radiant Light February 12, 2008 That was scary. I've had few too many experiences with all this, and it still freaks me out well and true. MashaAllah that was very brave of you Umm Reem, May Allah (swt) reward you for helping the girl and may He protect you from the evil of the seen and unseen. I don't think I'll ever forget the dua for the bathroom now! 0 1 Reply Nasir Muzaffar February 12, 2008 From where can I get Bilal Philips` book 'The Exorcist Tradition in Islam' ? 0 0 Reply Osman February 12, 2008 I had always thought that it was more of an "African & Moroccan" thing. Even though there are numerous evidences of the existance of Jinns is in the Quran, alot of Muslims and of course non-Muslims, find it really hard to believe. Well, Iguess it is the case of "seeing is believing", but to reconfirm, what should be known to you all, it is very much true, therefore deny it not, for denial in some cases leads to ignorance. Over the years I have read, researched, and witnessed all types of cases related to the subject in question, and I tell you that the supernatural world is real, scary and astonishing. Would have been nice to share some cases with you, but I am afraid it is much too long and complicated to capture using these electronic alphabets, which to a cetrtain extent is still an amazing invention, but then non of us doubt this, for we have seen it work and believe in it. Maybe I should compile accounts of different events of such matters in a book for those who are interested in reading about the matter. One thing to keep in mind is that, though there are many cases of possession, only a handful are true. Of lately, some unexplainable medical cases are brushed aside with the notion of them been "Jinnic" possession or influence. You must keep in mind that, out of ten cases of possession, about 60-70% of that figure happens women, especially young un-married women. Trying not to sound vulgar, but it must be stated that women are more likely to be brushed by Jinns, due to their nature be it anatomically, physiology, physcology or social qualities. Unfortunately, these cases are on the increase globally, for hijabs are on the decrease. I do not deny the fact that efforts are been made by women to cover-up, but you will find that their hijabs have one or two faults. Faults may include excessive use of edenly perfume, leaving tips of their hair open in public and in some cases practising or even soliciting with shamens for magic potions etc. These women are very much exposed, for the tips of woman's hair is a gateway for the unknown to go through. Just as when a man smells captivating perfume scent from a woman and gets all excited and confused, the same effect can happen to a male Jinn (not that I can blame him) In a desperate need of marrying the "RIGHT" husband (right here doesnt apply to one who is righteous, religious and noble, but one who has the much needed digits stored in abundance in his bank account, with houses all over the world and very liberal) young women seek the blessings and help of the magic potion maker, to cook-up some soup of evil, for a quick fix and one way ticket to a heavenly profitable marriage!. Subhanallah- may Allah forbid and guide us from the ignorant and ignorance. Ameen. I pray that I have bored you not with this long email, but wanted to share what I know, for such general knowledge should not be forgotten. Allah be ith us all. Ameen. 0 0 Reply Naseer February 12, 2008 ibnabeeomar, You can try Halalco, (for the book on Jinn by Bilal Phillips) http://www.halalco.com/here&after.html The thing is they charge $5 flat rate shipping so you may wat to see it could be cheaper here. http://onlineislamicstore.com/b3163.html 0 0 Reply khawla February 12, 2008 Umm Reem, I found this interesting 8 pages article on-line written by: Dr. Abu Ameenah Bilal Philips, Ibn Taymeeyah's Essay on the Jinn (Demons) Based on "Eedah ad-Dalaalah fee 'Umoom ar-Risaalah", from volume 19 of "Majmoo' Al-Fataawaa" (A Collection of Religious Rulings); volume 35 of "Majmoo' Al-Fataawaa" and Ibn Taymeeyah's classic, " Al-Furqaan Bayna Awliyaa ar-Rahmaan wa Awliyaa ash-Shaytaan." http://kalamullah.com/aqeedah17.html 0 0 Reply UmA February 12, 2008 Umm Reem May Allah increase us all in faith and knowledge with yaqeen. How did you respond to the claim that if a jinn is made of fire then hellfire won't hurt them? 0 0 Reply saad February 12, 2008 uMA, humans are made from clay, if i hit you real hard with wrapped clay in the face, it will hurt also. 0 0 Reply You Don't Have to See It, to Believe It « iMuslim February 12, 2008 [...] This MuslimMatters entry describing a recent exorcism got me thinking about the stigma attached to believing in the concept of evil spirits. Myths and legends about such beings are to be found in the folklore of communities all around the world [...] 0 0 Reply Bint Bashir February 12, 2008 Subhan'Allah what a experience, Umm reem, May Allah reward you and protect you from all harm. I am sure this was as well as an iman booster a very trying experience for you. I have also been involved in something similar, Alhumdulilah the jinn did leave but i didnt have any conversations that would have really freaked me out! It really shows you the harm that humans can do to one another, to see the affects of balck magic and know that another human has infliceted this on there fellow brother or sister is very painful. From what i have seen and this experience also i would advise all to make sure they never sleep without doing their duas and bathroom duas etc…… Really it is very clear it is only Allahs protection we can rely on! May Allah cure those who are suffering and make their trials easy for them, Ameen! 0 0 Reply talib February 12, 2008 I'm just wondering..why dont the muslim jinn protect the muslim human from the evil jinn.. 0 0 Reply ibnabeeomar February 12, 2008 talib – why dont the strong muslims among mankind helped the oppressed ones? :) 4 0 Reply suhaa February 12, 2008 chills no doubt, but we have a powerful weapon and by the help of Allah we should unite in this as an ummah for the oppression happening on this little girl. maybe we should all read ayat al-kursi and make sincere duaa, Allah will relieve the jinn of this little girl for good..let's do this now inshaAllah.. yulla.. ALLAH, the One who has power over all things, please remove this evil being from this little girl allowing her to grow strong into a obediant slave to you as a Muminah. Punish this evil jinn harshly and prevent it from hurting another child again..ameen. Make this child one who rebels against the negativity of her society and implements only of what is pleasing to You..ya Allah releive her of this possession and do not allow this to happen again to her. AMEEN. We are in need of You to save this small human girl from the darkness imposed upon her. If she should grow into the age of accountability then admit her into Jannah for her patience, and give her contenment and have her be amongst the beleiving women in Jannah…and if she dies before then, then give her whatever comes easy and prevent her from any suffering..ameen. 2 0 Reply Yusuf Khan February 12, 2008 Assalamu Alaikum, This was perhaps one of the best-written and engaging articles that I have read on this blog. The author was very knowledgeable and obviously very well-informed on the subject. I also greatly appreciated the textual references from the Qur'an and Hadeeth that were peppered into the pargraphs. Great job, ma sha Allah. Yusuf 0 0 Reply abuadam February 12, 2008 salam you might find this link useful. http://www.angelfire.com/al/islamicpsychology/exorcism.html it has chapters from his 'The Exorcist Tradition in Islam'. I believe this is the book Umm Reem was referring to and not the other one given in the links by Naseer above. This is the book that was his PhD thesis and has many interviews with the raaqis. 0 0 Reply sm February 12, 2008 Great job in writing! I wish I could find out the varieties of forms in which people perform black magic! I am sure it is not always 'possession by jinns'. Anyway, the ONE and only protector and helper is ALLAH. No one can do any harm to anyone if God wants to prevent it! So it is important to ask dua all the time so He protects us from the jealous ones. It is also important to teach our children to not let jealousy grow in their hearts. 0 0 Reply Umm Reem February 13, 2008 "UmA: I told her the same famous answer, 'I am made of clay but you can kill me with a clay stone' Mummyjaan, I am not offended at all. You have every right to question and believe me if I had heard of some similar story fromPakistan I would have had my doubts as well. Having said this, readers please keep in mind that my intention to write this article was not to convince anyone about 'jinn possession' neither do I feel comfortable discussing the details of this possessed sister in an open forum. In fact, when I started exorcism I had no idea I will have such an 'inspiring' conversation with the jinn! I was convinced in my heart that I will make da'wah to jinn and BOOM she will convert and everything will be fine, little did i realize… I had no intentions of sharing my exorcism story publicly because it happens all the time, but this conversation was so consistent with the Qur'an & hadeeth that I thought of the greater benefit and how it may become a source of ' eman-rush' for everyone, bi idhnihi ta'ala! 1 0 Reply holywatersalt February 13, 2008 I had no idea Islam practiced exorcisms. 0 0 Reply Peaches February 13, 2008 Amad, No problem . Any information would be helpful. Thanks. 0 0 Reply Peaches February 13, 2008 Amad, In addition to my response, I was going to ask you one more question about Muslimmatters.org. If I submit query to Muslimmater.org is there a specific person that I suppose to submit my question or just send to the website in general? 0 0 Reply ibnabeeomar February 13, 2008 peaches – just send it to the info //at// muslimmatters.org address and it will get fwd to the appropriate person thanks! 0 0 Reply Nasir Muzaffar February 13, 2008 Bilal Philip's book 'The Exorcist Tradition in Islam' is currently out of print. Al-Hidaayah is publishing the reprint of the book and the reprint is expected to be out this summer Inshallah 0 0 Reply ibnabeeomar February 13, 2008 nasir – jazakallahu khayr! 0 0 Reply Um Yusuf as-Siddiq February 13, 2008 Subhan'Allah Umm Reem, this was truly an amazing story. Jazakee Allah Khayran for sharing this. It truly affected me in many ways. May Allah reward you and protect you; Ameen. And may Allah guide us all to the right path; Ameen. 0 0 Reply Nasir Muzaffar February 14, 2008 May Allah reward you and protect you; Ameen Umm Reem for sharing your amazing story. It's really disappointing to get to know about the level of ignorance and acts of major kufr prevailing in my country- Pakistan . I guess the situation here in Karachi might be the same or even worse as the one described by you regarding Lahore. May Allah Subhan Wa'Taalah give hidaayah to these people and grant them a firm comprehension of the concept of Tawheed and May Allah Subhan Wa'Taalah protect all of us and keep us on the Sirat-e-Mustaqeem 1 0 Reply Hifzul Rahman February 14, 2008 Dear Brothers in Islam, Assakamu Alaikum Warahmathullahi wabarakathuhu, The matters are confirmed by Quran, Sunah and ijmaa us Salaf and actual experience of Muslims. To down loads Duas for Protection of Shaythan. http://bidathexposed.webng.com/free/Duas.doc http://www.dangerofchi.org/Q&A.pdf http://www.shefaa.org/ http://www.rogyah.com/vb/index.php http://www.ruqya.net/ http://www.roqyah.com/ http://www.alroqyah.com/ http://www.islam-universe.com/Exorcism.html http://www.angelfire.com/al/islamicpsychology/exorcism/reality.html http://www.angelfire.com/al/islamicpsychology/exorcism/reasons.html http://www.angelfire.com/al/islamicpsychology/exorcism/evil_eye.html http://www.angelfire.com/al/islamicpsychology/exorcism/interviews/interview01.html http://www.angelfire.com/al/islamicpsychology/exorcism/interviews/interview02.html http://www.angelfire.com/al/islamicpsychology/exorcism/interviews/interview03.html http://www.angelfire.com/al/islamicpsychology/exorcism/interviews/interview04.html http://www.angelfire.com/al/islamicpsychology/exorcism/interviews/interview05.html http://www.angelfire.com/al/islamicpsychology/exorcism/interviews/interview06.html http://www.angelfire.com/al/islamicpsychology/exorcism/interviews/interview07.html http://www.angelfire.com/al/islamicpsychology/exorcism/magic.html http://www.angelfire.com/al/islamicpsychology/exorcism/exorcism.html http://www.angelfire.com/al/islamicpsychology/exorcism/partial_possession.html http://www.islam-universe.com/audio/rmvb/Exorcism2.rm http://www.islam-universe.com/audio/rmvb/Exorcism.rm http://bidathexposed.webng.com/free/tafsirkathir.chm Barakallahu fekum Ma'salama 0 0 Reply miami February 14, 2008 This is an eye-opener.i have somewhat different but true story to tell. It happened to a close relative of mine. her belongins (i don't say what , due to some readers recognition) were unexpectedly stolen in an asian country.my cousin was at her wits end as to suspect a thief .She couldn't think of one. They kept reciting Sura BUROOJ and one day a young man came there for some reason. coincidentally my cousin recognized that it was the man whom is known to one of her in-laws who possesses a female jinn and with her help he help find voodoos and charms magicians/spell-casters make. So my cousin told that some misfortune occured. after much pleading he agreed to see what was the problem. According to my cousin he had taken wudu and sat on a musallah and recited something. Then suddenly to my cousin he had appeared somewhat a womam. He had long eyes (contrary to his big eyes) and he was shy and laughed softly like a woman. He had detailed her about the theft, how it was done, places from which the goods were stolen(from which rooms) and the person who stole them and the name of the thief and his accumplice.. more over he had told where the goods are at that moment and the hometown and dwelling place of the thief. When the jinn pessessor came to, he had remembered nothing,my cousin had to tell him all. the jinn possessor is married and he tells that the she-jinn is married too and she wears sarees and shows him if it suits her etc…. To my cousin's surprise the thief is known to her and had come manytimes and befriended her. She's seeking the help of the police to track him down .Lets all pray that the stolen goods will be found and given to her. By the way the jinn possessor is not from her town. I have not told you all due to some reasons. But my question is ….is this possible. is this halal…and why incidence of this nature happen in asian countries and rarely in westerncountries.? 0 0 Reply Peaches February 14, 2008 Inabeeomar, Thanks for info! 0 0 Reply ...Tarannum February 14, 2008 Assalaam alaikum, Umm Reem thank you. Can you tell me what the difference btw ghost and Jinn is. I know there is nothing like the souls of the dead but please do explain. 0 0 Reply Umm Reem February 14, 2008 wa alaikum assalam, Tarannum: according to the dictionary definiton :) ghost is, 'The spirit of a dead person' And so we don't believe that the spirits of the dead person can come back to this world. Jinns are the creation of Allah, made of smokeless fire. Miami: As far as I know, a jinn never agrees to help a human unless and until that human does something for that jinn first, and usually they ask for some kind of act of shirk. The muslim jinns are not allowed to interact with human beings like this, wAllahu ta'ala 'alam. 0 0 Reply Tahsinthree February 14, 2008 Miami: "…why incidence of this nature happen in asian countries and rarely in westerncountries.?" Where do psychic and fortune tellers get their "misinformation" from? Hasbun Allahu wa ni'malwakeel 0 0 Reply Alexandra Lynch February 14, 2008 Those of us in the west who deal with spirits in the course of our callings in our faith find that they don't like the "taste" of a believer. Practice good spiritual hygiene the way you practice good physical hygiene, and you don't get sick on either level. I wish all here the best, and apologize if my thoughts are inappropriate. 0 0 Reply Amad February 14, 2008 Thanks Alexandra. That is a consistent message with Islamic teachings, the need for purification of soul. 0 0 Reply miami February 15, 2008 Umm Reem; I forgot to tell that this particular jinn is a muslim and i don't want to make my article a Stephen King fiction.Wallahi every bit I say is true. I fear Allah every minute. Do you say that this man takes my cousin for a ride?But he doesn't make profit out of this…besides some ministers and big heads keep him in touch.This man is married and wants a divorce. He has a baby girl too. I remember another incident in the same country where a kafir jinn possessed a teenage Muslim girl. Girl didn't show any kind of misbehaviour. she got married . her first baby was alive for 6 months. Next she gave to five babies and all were stil-born after a successful normal delivery. Meantime when she was directed to an exorcer (a Muslim) he had told a kafir jinn possesses her and act as her husband. Her mom-in- law affirmed that fact saying when her son goes on thablih jamah she stays with her daughter -in. sometimes the latter takes showers in the middle of the night several times, despite the cold weather. These things make me scary. In one way I'm happy to be in a western country where these kind of incidence are seldom heard. 0 0 Reply Dawud Israel February 15, 2008 Umm Reem: This discussion has been really cool…especially the posts regarding the ghool (do you think this is where the word "ghoul" comes from?) Could you maybe email me telling me the things you didn't want to mention (i.e. the bathroom etc) because I am doing some research in this area and would appreciate the info? I also had a few more (scary) questions that I might get you or the shuyookh to answer… :S 0 0 Reply ummi February 15, 2008 aslamu alakum i have talked to a jinn that is possesiong my daughter its call itself ifret , i am so worried for my daughter , this beast is distroying us Allah al must'aan. 0 0 Reply AnonyMouse February 15, 2008 Wa 'alaikumus-salaam, Sister, have you gone to see your local Imam/Shaikh about it? 0 0 Reply ummi February 16, 2008 aslamu alakum well i did get help and she has had Rukiyyah , it keeps returning she is a child and whenher emman drops as does ours her dikr ect weakens creating a hole in the shield of protection and its in. She has attacks at home and i am a single parent for the past 2.5yrs , i am a revert so my quran recitation is limmited and poor. This whole thing is distroying us, me , her . The brothers wont come to make rukiyyah if no mahram is present i have none here. i live in a forgien land i am not native to alhamduillah its muslim but still i have no family here. I feel like i am walking on egg shells , waiting for her to get mad , angery and start as that usually the onset. Why is there no counselling in place for this , my child needs counselling and support as we do , i have none , thats why i am so glad you have found this place at least i can get some support. Sometimes i just want to pack my bags and leave abadon my child , Allah forgive me but thats how i feel , the stress. I feel like this is never going to end , i know allah says He will not burden me beyond my ablity but this one is beyond me. Allah Al must'aan. I feel anger at why won't it just leave , it leaves for short pierods but returns the longest being 5months last year. when she is possed she is violent and hurts us, i have to sit on her to gain control , its hard coz i don't know what i am dealing with , i only know lil i know ifret is a high rank shatan. People tell me it can be exorcised but i feel in my heart this will stay with her its not letting go , e was told it was born with her , i was pocessing me and lived in my stomach and entered her fetous as i had taken shahdda at that time. I belive i was ppocessed as i recall memories as a child , that i didnt understand but now u have the knowledge you piece it together. Any support or advice wuld be apprechated. 0 0 Reply ummi February 16, 2008 i wrote about the incedent recently on a blog i copied it here for you to read to help understand what iam dealing with, Someone I know has some serious illness but also has the cure , to adminster the cure is the hard part. Its difficult as i dont want to go into to much detail, well i may have too. The condition is a mental illness is the best way to decribe it , most end up in Mental Asylums beacause it goes undetected, the real cause i mean , they call it skizophreniah or a mental break down , in most cases it is but in this case it jinn possesion. Well last night the person(ok lets call the person Maria ) was under the influence of the jinn, who just loves to cause fitnah. As I apporoached to difusse the situation between Maria and one of her household , the Maria began screaming , and yelling and i tried to carm them down but i could see where this was leading, sometimes Maria tries to harm herseld by pulling her own hair or strangling herself but its not really the person present, they are the victim to the jinn over taking there body and senses. as the person fell into unconcence i knew what i now had to deal with , THE JINN . Allah Al Must'aan its a very difficult situation and i knew very little about this until 2-3 yrs ago. As this person has noone else i can not abbandon them its like its my duty , maybe Allah is testing me through Maria's test , The victim is being tested big time for sure. the first thought that went trough my mind was have i got wudu and does the victim have it too? I had as i rememebered paying magrib not to long ago i was getting reaady for Isha so i had alhamduillah. I began to make the adan in the hope that the shatan would leave i must have made it 2-3 times and all was still but after a while i could tell by the un-natural movements in the person the jinn was still present. I began to recite ayat ul kursi , falak, nas again and agian every now and then asking the victim to recite with me , i kept getting a violent no head shake. After a while i could tell the jinn hold was weaking with the quran recitation as i was able to converse a few words in between with the victim and enourage recitation of dikhr. at this point i realised maybe it has left so i rush the Maria to the bathroom and watched while Maria made wudu , then i thought i would bring her back and we will pray isha together before i leave Maria alone. On our return to the room Maria began to slip into an unconcuss state again and i could see i was loosing her again as her eyes began rolling, i knew the jinn was back in , I had lost Maria again. I could tell by the movements of Maria where the jinn was located it was in the head temple area on the left side and moving to the eyes or eye i couldn't be sure , i had some olive oil with rukiyah that i had from a previous time , i thought to put some on Maria's head as she said her head was hurting , i said bismillah and put some on , she began to shake violently and scream "NO!!!! , i am burning," so i procceded to put more on the eyes. Them after a while i was reciting the Adan , i again saw un-natural and possible swelling of her left arm and stiffening (i was not sure if this was real or an illusion ), i was thinking has the jinn moved into the arm , so i applyed some olive oil there to while reciting ayat ul kursi, Maria began screaming , terrible piercing screams 'i am burning' i continued to rub the oil on Maria's stiff arm but there was no visable burning, you can see these are maters of the unseen and belive me they exsist , i didn't ask for this Allah choose me to be tested this way and Maria and the many more thousands like her. We as muslims know that these beings exsist as Allah says 'i created mankind and jinn to worship me'. I know this jinn is a kuffar as it will not recite bismillah or la illahillah as i have asked it to. Ok so back to what next? Maria lay there eyes rolling for sometime i was reciting what i knew , ayatul kursi, falak ,nas and fatiha as i don't know much quran, let alone read it. i put on a CD of surah bakrah, and began to recite with the qari as i could do that with at least the first 15 verse, this was having an effect. Then i saw Maria having a choking effect and her gripping her chest, like she couldn't breath , i knew this is a tactic the jinn plays on the reciter to make me feel sorry for Maria and stop, thinking she is dying ect its a trick you see as the jinn's hold was weakening it was scraping for ideas. I got some olive oil and put it on her chest, i could see Maria was being made to look like she was in pain, but ofcourse the real Maria is not there throughout the ordeal consciencly ofcourse. after a while of reciting and looking at Maria's limp body i was becoming stressed and i decided to ask the jinn , why it was still here and if it wanted more hurt, as i said 'inshaAllah, with the help of Allah, do you know Allah? InshaAllah you are going to leave, Allah will help me to rid you". Maria began to shake violently and cluching her chest as if in pain opened her eyes bulging pupils , i asked , 'I asked are you Maria?" she was able to answer with the positive and i could tell the jinn had left at least for this time alhamduillah , now it took well over 1hr for this whole episode. Maria was dazed and said she wanted to sleep i said , 'no!' i made her recite dikr and some smaller surahs until i was satisfied the jinn was no longer present . To be honest she looked a mess, drained and weak. I rubbed a little olive oil on the areas i had done so previously and asked her if she felt burning sensation , she said 'no!' alhamduillah , i got her to pray isha in jummah with me and watched her as she prayed witr alone , i told her to made her own rukiyyah and gave her a parcetonel and put Maria to be, i rubbed some musk on her neck and nostrils. Now in the morning i saw Maria she was pottering about and i asked her how are you she said ok but my left arm is sore i duno why? I said don't you remember anything from last night ? Maria replied, 'No!only i was going to take a bath then i fell asleep'. Ya Allah, i told Maria briefly what had happened as she knows she has this illness, she became upset and tearful, i told her she has to help herself first ! As her lack of worship and remembrance of Allah had opened a door to allow the jinn back in (as this was not the first time , maybe 4-5 i alone have witnessed), you see Maria has the cure quran and Allah but she gets lazy as we all do in our faith to keep it up! sometimes it feels like i am banging my head against a brick wall! I can only do so much she has to help herself first. I know its hard , i know its not easy but come on Allah has blessed Maria with the gift of being able to read quran in Arabic but she does not use it. I feel peep's with this condition dont get enough phycological support, the effects mentally can be distroying , the victim certainly needs support , encouragement and counselling throughout,there is alot of stigma attacted to this illness, prejudice, when peep's know someone is effected they back off, and can be discriminated against. what more can i do ? how do you feel about this after reading this account , it is a true account and what if you was in my possison? I will ask all that read this to make dua for Maria (not her real name )and all that are involved with her care please. 0 0 Reply mummyjaan February 16, 2008 Umm Reem, Assalam alaikum. Jazakallah for taking the time to answer both my comments. I understand and appreciate your good intentions and may Allah reward you for the same Ameen. :) 1 0 Reply Umm Reem February 16, 2008 Sister Ummi, may Allah have mercy on you and your daughter. I cannot imagine how you see your daughter go through all this! Be patient and have trust in Allah. And know that this can only be cured if and until Allah wills. Alhamdullilah as you are being very strong and keeping your faith in Allah, please continue to do so and make lots and lots of du'a for your du'a as a mother will be accepted, inshaAllah. If you don't mind emailing me, please email me: email@example.com If you tell me through the email where you live, we maybe able to find someone in your area to treat your daughter, inshaAllah. Until then, here is what your can do in addition to what you are already doing: 1. When you read Qur'an over her, make sure you hold her forehead. 2. Give adhaan in her ears 3. Read ayatulkursi, 4 quls, adhaan, blow it in her mouth. 4. Read Fatiha 7 times over her with your right hand on her body part that is hurting. 5. Read these du'as over her: "Allaahumma Rabb al-naas, adhhib il-ba's, washfi anta al-Shaafi laa shifaa'a illa shifaa'uka shifaa'an laa yughaadir saqaman (O Allaah, Lord of mankind, remove the harm and heal him, for You are the Healer and there is no healing except Your healing, with a healing which does not leave any disease behind)." This may be repeated three times or more. "Bismillaah arqeeka min kulli shay'in yu'dheeka, wa min sharri kulli nafsin aw 'aynin haasid Allaah yashfeek, bismillaah arqeek (In the name of Allaah I perform ruqyah for you, from every thing that is harming you, from the evil of every soul or envious eye may Allaah heal you, in the name of Allaah I perform ruqyah for you)." This is from Bilal Philips' book: "The powerful and crafty jinn (especially the evil ones among them) are called 'ifreet' "An ifreet from among the jinn said, I will bring it for you…" (27:39) The Prophet, sallallahu alihi wasalm was reported to have said, "Verily, an 'ifreet from among the jinn tried to break my prayer last night by spitting on me…" (Bukhari, vol. 1, p. 268)" I pray to Allah azzawjal to cure your daughter, strengthen her faith and keep her and your family protected from shayateen. 1 0 Reply Abd- Allah January 4, 2010 Sister Umm Reem, can you please provide proof from the Quran or Sunnah for the following acts? 1. When you read Qur'an over her, make sure you hold her forehead. 2. Give adhaan in her ears 3. Read ayatulkursi, 4 quls, adhaan, blow it in her mouth. 4. Read Fatiha 7 times over her with your right hand on her body part that is hurting. Jazaki Allah khayr. 1 0 Reply AlHafiz September 3, 2014 Contact InshaAllah every thing will be alright 0 0 Reply ummi February 16, 2008 aslamu alakum umm reem alhamduillah i found you as i can't express the burden i have been carrying for so long and to be able to speak to expierenced persons is a relief , i will be emailing you soon inshaAllah, AMEEN Ameen thuma Ameen to your duas for me and my child. 1 0 Reply AQ February 18, 2008 Asalaamu alaikum Wow….It truly amazes me how a sister with very little knowledge and experience can go and preform an exorcism. I did not know by reading a book and going to a weekend seminar with "sheikhs"makes someone qualified to deal with the things of the unseen. Yes, this is how the story came off and this is the attitude of many people who get tons of information (not knowledge) in 4 or 5 days of sitting with a "sheikh" I hope the sister realizes that this job of exorcism is not for anyone to do because they get "excited " about a conversation with a jinn. Like a sister mentioned above..the person should have strong aqueeda,taqwa and of course this included true knowledge of these issues. And I hope her husband does not respond with an emotional comeback. May Allah reward you sister for your concern and protect your family from the dangers of the unseen.ameen( for choosing to go on the path to attack the unseen) 0 0 Reply Yasir Qadhi February 18, 2008 Salaam Alaikum 'AQ' Unlike Catholics, Muslims do not need an ordained 'minister' to perform ruqya. Any Muslim who puts his/her trust in Allah and follows the Sunnah may perform it. There is no doubt that this is a dangerous field, and so only if a person really knows the Sunnah and feels confident in such matters should this be done. And there is also no doubt that in any situation, the most reliable and trustworthy person should perform ruqyas. But that does not mean that you have to be an alim to perform ruqya. Sr. Umm Reem is well-known to me as I have taught her in many classes; I trust her knowledge and insha Allah her Iman as well. In the situation she was in, she was the only person qualified to do what she did in her locality. So it was either a case of doing nothing, or benefiting her sister in Islam. And, as the beloved Rasool salla Allahu alayhi wa salam said, in a hadeeth pertaining to performing ruqyas, 'Whoever is able to help his brother, let him do so.' And Allah knows best. 2 0 Reply AQ February 18, 2008 Asalamu alaikum You may want to advise your student to keep things like this personal and not make it public because others who are not as "knowledgeable "may think this can be done after reading a book and going to a few conferences. We are not Catholics..thank you for informing about that…We are also not hasty into putting ourselves in situations that we are not qualified in dealing with it in a mature fashion. It is sad to see that there was nobody in the area in a Muslim country, known for having people of knowledge, to help the sister in this affair. Teach your students to know their place and to have some insight in looking for someone who may know how to best deal with this situation…. calling you long distance doesn't count May Allah help us all…ameen 0 0 Reply ibnabeeomar February 18, 2008 AQ jazakallahu khayr.. inshallah we'll seek your official fatwa before posting something like that again :) 0 0 Reply Abdulrahman February 18, 2008 Subhan Allah. I wonder if I'll ever reach a stage in which, instead of benefiting from such an article of someone else's amazing experience, I'll look for what is objectionable so I can point it out and dish out my "advice". 0 0 Reply chilipepper February 19, 2008 Bismillahir Rahmanir Raheem: Bro AQ….its because of this blog that sister Ummi was able to relate her experiences/concerns, and may Allah provide a local resource for her through this site that could alleviate her situation…Insha'Allah ur Rahmaan… Always look for good in everything…and don't get too harsh for your own good eh… I seek Allah's Guidance, HIS Mercy, and HIS Rada, for myself, and for everyone else in here…Ameen Assalaamu Alaikum 0 0 Reply ummi February 19, 2008 aslamu alakum i would just like to add i am not no way qualified no way expierenced, no way fully understanding this issue but when you are presented with it in your own home in your own life and in that moment what do you do ? turn and run? i have lil knowledge and expierence, have had no training or expierence, have not read any book in depth on the mater , yet what i am doing is helping my child , what i recite eventually drives the beast out , be it temporaliy but it works, this is all i have to aid me subhan Allah , the sister sharing this expierence here means alot to me as someone who is walking on egg shells day in day out , inshaAllah more sisters will train in this field so i for one can bennifit when there is no mahram around. I live in a muslim country but most people performing ruqiyah are not doing it the right way , there is a lot of shirk and biddah involved and the sunnah example are few and far between. JazakAllahu Khyrun to the spreads of the sunnah , seekers of ilm , those who help thier brothers/sisters as i said in an earlier post most people (muslims inc) run from this issue, and discrimnate againist the possed. Allah Al-must'aan. 0 0 Reply warda February 21, 2008 In the name of Allah The Merciful The compssionate How to perform an exorcism, removing the jinn from a person that becomes possessed. All praises are to Allah and may peace and blessings be upon His final messenger Muhammed ( May Allah's peace and blessings be upon him). We Ask His help, and seek His forgivess, and seek His refuge from the evil of our selves. What comes after. I pray that Allah accept this article only for His sake. The proof in the Quran that shows that people really get possessed is in the following ayat: { "… do not stand except like the one that the shaitan has touched."} Baqara: 275 And in the time of prophet Muhammed (May Allah's peace and blessings be upon him), he said to a person that was possessed, " Exit oh enemy of Allah. Exit oh enemy of Allah." In another narration, he (May Allah's peace and blessings be upon him) said, " Exit oh enemy of Allah. I am the messenger of Allah. " The following information is from shaikh Abdul Rahman Kajajj, who has been an imam for more than 20 years, and has performed more than 100 exorcisms on many people that became possessed: A person may become possessed and overpowerd by a jinn for 5 reasons: 1. The person commits many sins. 2. The person laughs too much, and heedless of the environment. 3. The person is overly scared (paranoid) and gets affected. 4. The person is overly forgetfull and gets affected. 5. Jinn falling in love with the person These jinns that possess people are of many types; they may speak a variety of languages just like people, and may be muslims or of other faiths like Jewish, Christian, Sikh just like people. They also are of different sexes. A male jinn could possesss a child, in which case the voice would become deeper. A female jinn may also possess a male, in which case the voice may become higher pitched. When the victim becomes possessed, the victim does not recall any of the events that occur while being in that state. The jinn speaks through the body of the victim. The jinn may possess the person for a long period of time, even for years. It is recommended to record the sounds coming the victim before the exorcism, as the person will not recollect any of the events that occurred while being possessed. This way the person can hear himself or herself in the previous condition. In some possessions, the jinn would easily exit the body. However in other cases, the jinn will refuse to leave. The shaikh mentions that it is like an apartment that is for rent. If the jinn likes the place (i.e. the body), it will not want to leave. The jinn would prefer to stay in a body that is used to commiting sins. In some cases, the jinn may possess part of the body and move throughout the body. On exiting the body, the jinn may leave by air, i.e. through the breath, or by the flowing of blood. One can check the color of the blood that is excreted. If it is red, it indicates the jinn is still inside the body. If the color is dark black, the jinn has exited. Here is the procedure to perform the exorcism. The exorcism should be performed by someone who is experienced, from the shuyukh, that fear Allah. 1. Make wudhu, and make sure that the house is clean, and that there are no images in the house. Remove all amulets that may be on the possessed person, so it is free from shirk. 2. Then place your hand on the forehead of the possessed person, and speak close to the ear of the possessed. 3. Start by reciting istaadha (saying i seek refuge in Allah against the cursed shaitan). All the recital should be done loudly, and slowly. 4. Then prayers for the prophet (May Allah's peace and blessings be upon him). 5. Then say several duas asking Allah's protection, like " Oh Allah protect us from this enemy.", 6. Then surah fatihah. 7. Then observe the person, you will notice some or all these symptoms: a) Yelling , shouting, screaming. b) Yawning much or much laughter. c) Staring at you. d) Staring down. 8. Then some ayaats from surah Baqarah the beginning, at least the first 10 ayats, then ayatul qursi, and the last 10 ayats of surah baqarah. If one knows the whole of surah baqarah, then recite the whole recite of baqarah. If one is knowledgable, one can say ayats from different places in the Quran, like a dars. The jinn will at this point point will try to start conversing. Try avoiding conversing, as the jinn will try to weaken your resolve, and become strong. 9. If one does talk, one should only ask a couple questions to the jinn. It is recommended not to ask too many questions to the jinn, just a couple questions. The jinn will try to weaken the persons resolve by conversing. One could ask the jinn if it is a muslim or nonmuslim, and why it possessed the person. Then immediately command the jinn to exit the body. 10. If the jinn is a muslim, you can tell the jinn that muslims are friends of each other, and it should leave the person, as he is also a mulsim. If the jinn is a nonmuslim, one can invite the jinn to Islam. If it accepts, tell him that it is prohibited to possess someone. If it rejects, then tell it it must leave. 11. The jinn will come up with excuses on why it can't leave. Most of the time these excuses are usually lies. The jinn might say something like that it doesn't have food, and it will go hungry if it leaves. For this excuse one could tell the jinn that it could eat the bones that is thrown out by the people. It might also say that it is afraid of being harmed for some reason. One could then tell the jinn that it can recite ayatul kursi or some other ayats for protection. It might say that it has no place to go. One could then tell the jinn that it could go the masjid, namely the minaret of the masjid, and be with company of the pious jinns. 12. The jinn may also threaten to kill or harm family members if it is not left alone. This is a lie, and the person performing the exorcism should tell the jinn, that if it claims that it will kill or harm someone else, why doesn't it harm or kill me who is right in front of it. 13. One should continuously recite ayats from Quran, as it works like a laser in expelling the jinn. 14. Some of the jinns are peaceful, some strong, some want to fight, some are knowledgable, some are ignorant, just like humans. 15. If the jinn does not know how to exit, tell him to listen, and command him to exit with the breath. One could also put a needle on the tip of the finger, and observe the color of the blood. 16. To check if the jinn has exited, recite ayats from the Quran. If the jinn is still present, you will notice the sysmptoms mentioned in 7. If the jinn has left, the person would awake and be conscious and talk normally. 17. In the case the jinn still has not left, one should start beating the possessed person in two places: Either the palms of the hands, or the soles of the feet. One should hit these two places with a stick or rod until the jinn leaves. The possessed person will not feel the aftereffects of the beating in these two places afterwards. 18. Keep reciting the Quran until it exits. 19. In some cases, the jinn may come back and repossess the person. In this case tell the person to make wudhu immediately, recite ayats from Quran, praying, repent to allah, and dhikr, to prevent the jinn from reposessing the person afterwards, and protecting himself. 20. In some cases the person becomes possessed bacause of sihr (a magic spell), in this case the person may show symptoms of crying, or vomiting, or stomach aches. In this case bring some water, recite some ayats and duas on the water, and tell the person to drink the water. Take some black seed oil (Alhabbatu Sauda), mix it with honey, and give it to the person to drink, two spoonfulls daily. 21. The person should be in a program to pray on regular basis, and say much dhikrs on a daily basis, and not to listen to music, avoid backbiting, avoid movies, and other things that make a person susceptible to the jinn. For more information, please see the book, "Alsarimu al Battar fi tasadi li saharahiti alashrar", by Abdul Wahid Abdul Salam Baliy. All praises and glory be to Allah, I bear witness that there is no god except Him. I seek His forgiveness and repent to Him. 0 0 Reply warda February 26, 2008 I have a couple of stories…one with this girl and a couple of male jinns and female but i wont discuss because it involves some sexual conten, and its lengthy… I will share this one Jinns are a creation of Allah, as are humans, but the jinns were created before the creation of man. One should constantly recite Ayatul Kursi, which will keep things like jinns away and thus they will not be able o harm you. There is a human female who had a male jinn posess her. They took her to a Shaykh, who made the jinn talk. The Shaykh asked the jinn why he possesed this girl and the reply was that the girl was walking out one day and went past the jinn. The jinn said that she had a beautiful perfume on, which attracted him towards her. So he began liking her. The jinn said that he is a muslim but cannot help himself and loves his girl. Well the Shaykh told him to go away and leave the girl alone. He gave the girl taweez and wazaif to read. She is alright now. These things do happen and one should not be surprised by it. One should stay in constant Wuzu and recite quran, especially Ayatul Qursi. It is strange when you first hear about it and its hard to believe when you havent personally experienced it. But it happens. Jinns are attracted to perfume.. womens hair and beauty. Just like we are. I have seen a cousin sister suffer from this and many other people too. It really is a shock to the system when you see them suffer!! Staying in wudhu, keeping hair covered, not standing under trees close to sunset and after (it is known that the jinn like to sit on trees at this time), reciting daroordshareef/ last 2surahs of the quran, aithal kursi can all help us keep ourselves safe. And one should never doubt works of Allah SWT, NOTHING is impossible for Him to make anything happen. they are all around us, we can not see them!! They can see u. they are attracted to us at various places and times, it is just like us humans can be attracted to someone in a specific place. The attraction is just how it is between us humans. Anything that makes one look attractive will attract the jinn. 0 0 Reply AnonyMouse February 26, 2008 I came across another excellent book, called "The Jinn and Human Sickness" by Dr. Abu'l-Mundhir Khaleel ibn Ibraaheem Ameen… it's published by Dar us-Salaam… should be available at most online Islamic stores. 0 0 Reply Sayem Uzair February 28, 2008 Salam Alaykum, Within this article author mentioned that Iblees has his throne above water. I'm not sure how this can be since it is mentioned in a hadith that Allah subhana wa'taala has His throne above the water. Water being an essential ingredient of life and Allah subhana wa'taala being the source of life, it makes a lot of sense. W'Allah Ilm 1 0 Reply Vip_only_me February 22, 2012 Well, he does according to multiple sources, and people believe this place to be " The Bermuda Trangle". 0 0 Reply warda February 28, 2008 I had a response to the question that says why doesnt the west have jinn? I lived all my life in America…and it does. You here stories of "paranormal" and "ghosts"…the only difference is that in Islam it is the Jinn trying to lead them to believe they are "spirits of the past" or "ghosts"…there are even shows about this….shows like Ghost hunters, Paranromal investigatosr, sightings, A haunting. The west does certainly have jinn…but since it is a non Islamic country…they dont refer to them as jin..they call them "Ghosts" and "spirits"..and we all know that the Jinn are playing with their mind and causing them to believe that they are spirits and stuff. 0 0 Reply Umm Reem February 29, 2008 Sayem: There is obviously no similarity…Allah's throne is incomparable! 0 0 Reply Muslim March 1, 2008 A friend of mine went to the Middle East to study with scholars. During class, the front seat remained empty and no one was able to occupy that seat. It was reserved for a muslim jinn. The jinn revealed that the last of the jinns who had been alive during the time of the Prophet (S) died 30-40 years ago. Umm Reem, thanks for sharing your knowledge and experience. Also, is there anything else that Seeta mentioned regarding the unseen. 0 0 Reply mcpagal March 1, 2008 This is a stupid question, but if it's possible for the worlds of jinn and humans to cross, could a human ever 'possess' a jinn? I wonder if there's Muslim jinn that sit and worry about that too… 1 0 Reply Yus from the Nati March 1, 2008 Muslim: I heard a similar story of many "ulema" around the world recieving notes in their pockets all at once indicating the last "sahabi jinn" has passed many years ago. Allah'hu'alam 0 0 Reply Sayem uzair March 2, 2008 Thank you Umm Reem. Of course Allah subhana wa ta'ala's kingdom encompasses all the heavens and the earth. His throne is unlike any other. Iblees is the cursed one and thrives by deceiving people and instigating suspicions. May Allah forgive our sins and help Muslims all over the world, whether jinn or humans. Amin. Jazak Allah Khair. 0 0 Reply Muslim March 2, 2008 To Organic Muslimah, I think here is one Dalil for possession by shaitan. 275. Those who eat Riba (usury) will not stand (on the Day of Resurrection) except like the standing of a person beaten by Shaitan (Satan) leading him to insanity… (Translation of The Meaning of the Quran, Surah Al-Baqarah 2:275) 0 0 Reply Umm Reem March 2, 2008 Mcpagal: Allah azzawjal has given Jinns some 'physical' characteristics that humans don't have, like them not being able to be seen by human eyes, whereas we cannot make ourselves disappear. They have the ability to cross 'through' things, we don't. They can see us, we cannot unless they make themselves appear in some form or the other… so, they have the ability to possess, we don't. Allah azzawjal is the best Creator and He alone knows the wisdom behind this set up. I don't think the jinns worry about getting possessed! Best of all, Allah has chosen us (i.e. humans) over them. wAllahu ta'ala 'alam. 1 0 Reply warda March 2, 2008 yes, I agree with Umm Reem Humans are the best creation 0 0 Reply muslimmatters.org » And One Year Ago, MM was Born March 13, 2008 [...] Creating MM's Achilles' heel, but having it exorcised soon after. 9. Making new friendships & upsetting a few with this, while ruining others. 8. [...] 0 0 Reply Sharif April 4, 2008 I would just like to contribute that the book, Jinn & Human Sickness by Darussalam is an astounding book full of acurate information. Furthermore, it is by far one of the best books I have ever read in regards to increasing one's iman. Here is the link: http://www.dar-us-salam.com/store/main.mvc?Screen=PROD&Store_Code=Dus&Product_Code=199&Category_Code=BT 0 0 Reply Nirgaz April 4, 2008 "One of the greatest contributions made by Arab scholars to the extension of knowledge was their development of the science of astronomy. If you look at a modern star chart, you'll find hundreds of stars whose names derive from Arabic: Altair, Aldebaran, Betelgeuse, Vega, Rigel, and Algol, to name a few. The derivation of the last of these is intriguing: It comes from the Arabic al-ghul, a word meaning "demon," from which the English word ghoul and its adjective ghoulish are also derived. Algol was named "the ghoul" by the Arabs because of its ghostly appearance, for, as an eclipsing binary star, it appears hazy and varies in brightness every two days. Beyond star names, many astronomical terms, among them zenith, nadir, and azimuth, also derive from Arabic." read the rest of this article at: http://usinfo.state.gov/journals/itsv/0807/ijse/pimm_smith.htm Some of the words in the article I knew of, but alot of them I didn't. How cool! I love linguistics and languages and how they connect and influence eachother! Umsalih 0 0 Reply UmmKarimah April 7, 2008 Asalamu alaikum wr wb May Allah make your affairs easy,Ameen!(ummi) I really feel for you.. it's like when your child cries out of him/her being sick and you really can't do anything until the medicine starts to take affect or something like that! Allah make it easy!! anyway i was just wonder you said that the brothers won't come to your house, cause there is no mahram?! Are u serious? i mean really i hope it's not one of these gulf countries(K.S.A) it would just add to the couple of checks on my "Cons of living in K.S.A!" list… really you won't help a sister in this type of serious situation cause she doesn't have a mahram? May Allah guide them!! It's really disgusting! 0 0 Reply azzawjal? April 7, 2008 azzawjal ? who or what is azzawjal ? its azza (mighty) wa (and) jall (high) 0 0 Reply A Conversation with a Jinn « Between Dusk and Dawn… April 12, 2008 [...] A Conversation with a Jinn by Umm Reem [...] 0 0 Reply A Conversation with a Jinn: The Exorcism Experience « from PAKism to ISLAM April 13, 2008 [...] the detailed article here [...] 0 0 Reply Hanuman May 31, 2008 Is Michael Jackson a jinn? 0 0 Reply mks June 11, 2008 How do you know if one has been possessed before in the past? Is it possible that I could have been? My past behaviors I cannot explain, but they were out of character as compared to who I am today. I do remember it all though. Then out of nowhere I stopped the absurd behavior immediately without any thoughts or plans or anything. Almost as if I went from one extreme (evil) to the other extreme (good). I always tell myself that it isn't important because "your last form is better that the first" and I am pleased with myself today. But it is still a curious topic. 0 0 Reply sana July 2, 2008 Assalam, I have forwarded this Link to one of my non muslim friend with whom I am having a debate regarding Jinn. May this story help him answer some of his questions ( even if he doesn't believe the story) Being a Pakistani myself all I can say is that maybe my country has more than it shares of these cases bec Pakistan is vey much divided into sects and anybody can lead them astry very easily thus with limited knowledge of quran Satan can play with their mind more easily . and as Jesus (pbuh) said truth shall let them free. and as Allah say in quran: " Deaf dumb and blind they will not come to the right path ." 0 0 Reply zulqarnain July 6, 2008 assalamualaikum ….i m razi from india ……..i have a friend named zulqarnain …….he was alhamdullilah a brilliant student of our school ……..he was so brilliant that when he he was in ninth he cracked olympiad {national level competition}…….but unfortunately he has lost his consciousnes due to demonic possession for last 6 yrs ……….he is a religious boy .and he has also acquired knowledge of quran and hadees…..he also knows that he is possessed ………..and as a friend i m depressed of his condition ……..he is totally collapsed mentally ………….he hates to go indian moulanas who used to cure with taweez ………..plz help me ……..plz suggest me about quranic verses which can help him 0 0 Reply ali July 10, 2008 brother zulqarnain my advise to u is never attempt to do anything like this urself. get a help of a professional 0 0 Reply fatima July 12, 2008 Can you use another jinn to remove another jinn with quraanic ayaats 0 0 Reply fatima July 23, 2008 Is the conversation really for real with a jinn, really? 0 0 Reply hamza August 3, 2008 amazing but too scary 0 0 Reply Muhammad Ali August 7, 2008 Dear, zulqarnain Asalam Walaykum as of all the studying I have done of jinn posessions and what not. I recommend you first seek professional help from experienced Amaals. Exorcism is nothing light, it is something sensitive and heavy from each side. You first have to be prepared in order to take up the challenge with a being (jinn), from the ghaib(unseen). You have to first aknowledge if you yourself are capabale of handling this from the birds eye point of you. (Meaning up close). You have to look at things like hows your emaan, praying on time, staying away from sins, and all those things. Conducting exorcism can be a mind game as well between you and the jinn, the jinn can also win (meaning control your mind) he will try and hit you on your weaknesses,fear, you name it and the jinn will use it to his/her advantage. So if you think you can handle it, then try it( try to have some pious people with you incase anything happens.) And always have allah in your mind and heart (Zikr) while doing it, dont be afraid and believe that Allah can only heal the sick. Allah will reward you for your efforts.(inshallah) 0 0 Reply Abd al Jabbar September 20, 2008 Asalamualeikum, Mashallah. you gave the Jinni Dawah. I dont recall that you mentioned that it left? I just wanted to say that prevention is better than cure as you have highlighted. There is actuallt a yahoo group on the web to help people in accordance to shariah. I hope you find it useful, Inshallah. http://groups.yahoo.com/group/RuqyaShariyah/messages Take care and wasalaam 0 0 Reply Aabida September 25, 2008 Assalamu-Alaikum Ummreem, I wanted to ask you a question in private – could you please drop me an email. Thank you. Aabida 0 0 Reply ummi September 26, 2008 aslamu alakum /hello all its been some time , things got worse for us and my uaghter and the attacks became more frequent. The jinn seemed to up the antiy and started to terrorise my other 2 children , getting to my possed daughter via them, at first it was me but as i increased my adkar and dikr it stopped. alhamduilah we had rukiyyah done and each time after , when the jinn returns things got worse in the sense the effect on my possed child , like she went out and was all normal and then later ran me from accross town and had no recolection of how she got there, she was in a state when she only poped out for 10mins to the local shop. Another time the jinn made me look like a devil to her eyes but it was me and she tryed to beat me, she has become more violent and aggresive. One day my 6yr old went to bed and after abit i heard her crying and i knew something was wrong so i rushed to her room as i entered i felt my hairs stand on end and felt uneasy, so i removed her fromthe room and we made some dua latter my daughter who gets possed came up and fainted at the door of this room and she was possed again. I see its a battle a war really but its hard when my young children are suffering at the hands of this 70yr old shyite jinn, I have moved to the Uk now and my husband is doing rukiyyah but it keeps returning. We used olive oil and water with verses read in it and this helps alot. My child has lost aa lot of hair on her hair line, wakes up some days covered in bruises unexplained on her breast , suffers from insomia. At irst the jinn was only coming between asr and magrib but now comes during the day time too. We gave dawah to the jinn but he won't acept muhammad (SAW) as the prohet. He said he is an Ifreat and high ranking and he can not accept our dawah as he is old now and other jinn of his kind will hurt him if he fails in his mission. We know he lies alot and aviod conversation with him. It's just i see him becoming stronger each time but knowing he is scraping the barrel with his tricks. Allah al Must'aan 0 0 Reply Bint October 3, 2008 Ummi I am glad you have a mahram now; perhaps you guys can get the help of ulemaa in this case. Why did this possession happen in the first place? I am sure you have asked the entity that? If this is a high ranking individual perhaps he also has greater intelligence for that reason, I would recommend a religious scholar to tackle this issue. Wallaahul Must'aan May Allaah help you. 0 0 Reply ummi October 5, 2008 wa alakum aslam bint jazak allahu khyrun for your duas and kind words, we did ask and have 2 different answers as they lie a lot so we don't know wheither to belive or not? Frist response was he felt hassad from her when she was reciting quran at her class when she was 5yrs old , as he said she recite better than him so he possed her, another time he said she sat on him at her quran class and there for took possion as a revenge when she was 5yrs old, he said he frequented her quran class to listen and learn quran and he said he is a shiyte so has knowledge of quran and said his fav surah is Surah /maryam. i don't know if this helps? Ummreem i sent you an email a daughtersofadam but the mail service said the account is closed. 0 0 Reply Umm Reem October 5, 2008 Ummi: my DOA account is closed, you can email me: firstname.lastname@example.com and they will pass it on to me 0 0 Reply Jannah October 20, 2008 Ummm I am a convert to Islam. I was raised christian and I was very turned off of the crazy christians who believed in possession. they would dance around the church and "speak in tongues" and really act all crazy. they were just on a spiritual high and showing off for each other, but the did believe to an extent in possession. This is ignorant.. sorry folks! How come there aren't any possessed little girls in the US – because converts don't have the lame cultural influence that "original" Muslims have. Many converts like myself are RUNNING from this type of ignorance. But Allah does not allow for any other being to take over or possess any of us! This is why we are held accountable for our actions. This possession talk is just superstition and may Allah have mercy on all those who propogate it. InchAllah we will all be guided to knowledge and to the straight path. 0 0 Reply Abd- Allah January 4, 2010 Sister Jannah, there is a big difference between this (Jin possession) and what the people in church do such as dancing around and pretend to "speak in tongues†and really act all crazy. We have something like them in Islam though, they are called "sufis" and they also dance around and yell "hu hu".. not sure what tongue that is in (not Arabic, I know)… but anyways, Jin possession is different than what these people do, or claim to be doing (even if some of them act like they are possessed by Jins themselves, hehe). But a human being possessed by a Jin is possible, even if many of the cases that people claim as such are fake. Muslims do not want to be possessed by a Jin. That is a key difference between being possessed and between what the church people do when they "speak in tonguesâ€. That is why people who are really possessed by a Jin usually try to take it out of them and they try to get rid of the jin. Allah knows best 0 0 Reply ibnabeeomar October 20, 2008 Jannah, ho do you reconcile this position with hadith indicating to us instances of possession that the Prophet (saw) himself treated? (this book has more details http://islamicbookstore.com/b7935.html) 0 0 Reply AbuAbdAllah, the Houstonian October 20, 2008 bismillah. sister Jannah, you made the right decision in accepting Islam. may Allah protect your faith, and keep you free from serious tests of it. also, i say ameen to the dua in the last sentence of your comment. a shaykh i have studied with told me that well over 95% of the cases of Muslims who claim to have had direct interaction with the Jinn or of possession by them are fakes. he is a man whose integrity is flawless, mashaAllah. who was the student of the most serious and knowledgeable scholars of Islam from Saudi Arabia. and i believe him without doubt when he tells me of the exorcisms in which he has participated. it does not bother me in the slightest, nor does it affect you as a Muslim if reading my last statement causes you to doubt me. because i am nothing more than a man. and a man you know only by way of words printed on the internet — and the internet is a place where grains of salt are just not enough when it comes to good digestion. on the other hand, as a Muslim, you should trust the literal word of Allah, and you should trust His Messenger, sull Allaho alayhi wa sallam. i have no personal knowledge of the Jinn, and i do not seek any. but the One Who Created all of the universe and every living thing in it — He Knows exactly what He Made. Allah tells us that Satan (Iblis) who refused to bow to Adam was a Jinn, who became the real and spiritual father of all the devils and devil-minded. Allah has revealed an entire Surah that we know as "al-Jinn." Finally the Messenger of Allah confirmed the existence of the Jinn in authentic hadiths transmitted by people whose veracity, memory, and reliability were tested and found to be without doubt. so, as a Muslim all you have to know about Jinn is that they do exist. everything else that people talk about the Jinn is either from the authentic sources i have listed (Qur'an, hadith, or trustworthy report), or from their own supposition. but the details do not have to be studied by a Muslim who is not interested in the Jinn. and if i have misspoken, i am certain that someone will correct me. heck, people will seek to correct me even if i have spoken correctly. but any mistake is from me, and any good of what i have written is from Allah. may He be pleased with the scholars who have shared knowledge with me, with all of the Muslims, with me, and with you. ameen. 0 0 Reply WR October 20, 2008 As salaam walaikum Umm Reem, Thank you for sharing the story with us. It is really something else when you have a misbelieving jinn tell you about things mentioned in the Quran. It makes you realise what you have and how lucky we are to be Muslims. Alhumdulillah. I did have a few questions regarding your conversation with the jinn. As you've mentioned, and so have many more people who have been involved in rukyah, that a jinn tries to lie and fool you. Do you mind sharing some of the ways the female jinn tried to fool you and how did you respond to her? Also, when conversing with the jinn, did you ever feel threatened or did the jinn try to scare you in any way and if so, how did you deal with that? Is it possible for a jinn to know what you are thinking or feeling? Personally, I do not wish to ever have an encounter with bad jinns but at the same time, I am interested in learning about jinn possession, rukyah and how to protect oneself. A friend of mine was under the influence of black magic and there was a time when we were living together with a few friends and we noticed some strange experiences. Alhumdulillah, I don't believe it affected us but I was wondering if that is possible? At the time, whenever I would feel scared I would recite ayatul kursi. I believe, the jinn(s) (if it was not my imagination since I have no logical explanation for it) were only trying to scare us. Lastly, the question is regarding Qareen. Is it necessary that our Qareens be bad and motivate us to sin or can they be good as well? May Allah reward you for your efforts in helping the sister. And May Allah make it easy for her and her family and restore her health and well being. Ameen. Sister ummi, I'm really sorry to read about what your daughter is facing. Surely no harm can come to you or your family, except by the will of Allah (swt). Alhumdulillah that you now have a husband who is helping you through this difficult time. Whatever happens, don't give up. May Allah give you and your daughter the strength to overcome and defeat this. Ameen. :) 0 0 Reply ummi October 23, 2008 jannah dear , i too am a re-vert to Islam of 16yrs and alhamduilah carry no culture with me , you need to revisit the qur'aan and hadith related to this matter and themyou will see it EXSITS! Allah guide us all ameen! 0 0 Reply Bint October 30, 2008 Ummi, I am sad to hear this about your daughter, I recently found out of a muslim that I knew went through a similar situation: i.e jinn possession and for what? some silly reason as that mentioned by the jinn. Either case, Please please take your daughter to a righteous/or righteous mashaaikh; let them take it out of her this entity. Please give us an update in shaa Allaah. I pray that Allaah rewards you for your patience and gives strength to your daughter to overcome this. I believe there was a lady at the time of Prophet SAW who use to get attacks from Jinn possession; some explainers of hadeeth say epilepsy. Either way, she was patient and Rasool SAW told her that jannah would be a reward for her. This life is temporary and it will end. What an epileptic, or mentally ill, or possessed person is not accountable for their actions; so to think that they are not accountable for their actions; i.e no sins… It made me really sad as soemthing similar to this subhanallaah happened to someone I know. I was more sad than scared and made me think how much we need to value our time and life and use it for the best way possible while we have it or are in control….it is a lesson for all of us. 0 0 Reply iqbal November 22, 2008 Jinns like the shayateen generally love what we hate and angels generally love what we love. For example Jinns love bad ordours and Angels love perfume, (The prophet (s.a.w) also loved perfume.). The angels dislike the smell of garlic in the mosque just like we dislike to stand in prayer beside one who has just eaten it and discharges bad smell from his mouth. As for women attracting the evil jinn by wearing perfume, it can only be said that they put thiemselves in such a predicament by disobeying the prophet (s.a.w). May Allah grant the women who do not walk the streets wearing perfume in obediance to the prophet(s.a.w) protection and make them free of any bad smell. 0 0 Reply iqbal November 22, 2008 "Verily, the best of perfume for men is that which is strong in smell and light in colour, and the best of perfume for women is that which is strong in colour and light in smell." [Tirmidhî, Sahîh] 0 0 Reply Fakhri November 23, 2008 Jannah, apart from the other answerers to your comment, there's a desperation in the third world that you won't find in the west. Like Sister Ummi says, the practises are so widespread it must have a lot to do with the what was around in the subcontinent prior to Islam. Alhamdulillah, you do not live in a nation of people burning with hatred and jealousy towards others, people who would spare the little they have to see that their OWN daughter or son is married off to an 'elegible spouse' at the expense of someone else's misery, and by resorting to those who earn their income through meddling with the jinn. The practise mentioned in the Quran in Surah Baqara, where the Babylonians were taught by two angels as a test, the sorcery of seperating husband and wife, must be the same thing practised in the subcontinent. A ticket out of the subcontinent if you can get your child married off to someone settled in the Europe or North America. 0 0 Reply Singh December 1, 2008 That was total discrimination against Sikhism, when the Seeta jinn whatever said promised us rewards also, then the Quran calls other religions shaitaans basically, no wonder, you guys are…..forget it bye 0 0 Reply Shibli Zaman December 18, 2008 as-salamu `alaykum, I stumbled upon this blog entry while browsing. May Allah protect you and your family, Umm Reem. Amin. While I wholeheartedly believe your account, and please forgive me for my criticism, but I don't believe blogging about this subject (in this particular manner at least) was the best idea. The details should have been spared and I'm afraid this will arouse people's curiosity in something that they are best left relatively oblivious to. Follow the Sunnah in Adhkar (i.e. recitations before entering areas of najasah, Ayat al-Kursi before bed, etc.) and this should suffice. The devil truly is in the details and those details can be very harmful. In my opinion, the perceived Jinnah was not necessarily a female Jinn. If it has been with the girl that long than it might even be a Ta'ifah from the Jinn which is often the case. Sometimes an entire lot will possess a person and they will either have a representative speak for them or even take turns making fun of the questioner. Often times Jinn mischievously giggle when speaking under exorcism and this is the reason. They are trying to make a fool of you and humiliate you. This has been their goal since Adam (`alayhis-salam). If you prove to be an actual threat to them then you become a target and you can incite an entire army of Jinn to attack you. This is serious business. You can be kidnapped for years and even killed by them (or worse) and there are reports of such things happening to some of the Sahaba and their successors. There are also controversial reports of the "Mugharibun", as the Prophet (sallallahu `alayhi wa sallam) described them to `Aisha, which open the door to even scarier subjects. Even in the Bible there are reports of Jesus casting out an entire army of Jinn inside one human that preferred to possess a herd of pigs which they charged to their deaths. This story actually conforms to what we know about the Jinn from Islamic sources. I do not think it was Sikh or a Hindu or anything like that either. It obviously worshiped Satan so it was probably just toying with you when it told you that stuff. Remember the Prophet (sallallahu `alayhi wa sallam) said for every one truth they will tell you several lies. Sikhs and Hindus do not openly adore Satan the way this Jinn described. This oversight also led to a Sikh commenter ("Singh") to be offended and I am sure that is not what was intended at all. He deserves an apology in my opinion. I'm commenting on this months after it was written and nobody will probably ever read it, but if anything, please know, Sister Umm Reem, that your worship and good deeds and refraining from even small sins must be even more vigilant than before you encountered this girl. I would say it should be so for the rest of your life. To everyone else. If you want Sci-Fi or Fantasy stick to Tolkien. Don't seek or delve into the real stuff. People's lives are destroyed from it every day. May Allah protect us from dark knowledge and craft. Amin. Allah knows best. 0 0 Reply Singh December 18, 2008 Ok, do you have msn? add me on firstname.lastname@example.com 0 0 Reply Selene December 18, 2008 Hi I wanted to know if man can summon Jinns up to do their bidding?Also I am assuming summoning Jinns is a sin and considered black Magic. But weren' t Jinns summoned up to construct a Mosque in Palestine? Anyone please help answer my question. 0 0 Reply ilmsummitee December 18, 2008 Asalamu Alaykum Selene- Black magic is not only a sin its considered Shirk or associating partners with Allah swt. Shirk is a grave and the worst sin possible to be done, so one has to stay away from it at all times. I would recommend you read more on this further, a good start is "Book of Emaan" by ibn Tayymiyah (can read the book online here: http://www.kalamullah.com/aqeedah.html) , possibly even watch this video: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4mIv5b0eqhI It is true that Prophet Sulaiman alayhi salam had the power to rule over both humans and jinn, as well as other animals and creatures. This was a miracle and gift given to him by Allah (swt) as is stated in the quran. (see below). It was a sovereignty granted to him by Allah, for Allah bestows His abundance without measure on whom He will. (38:35-45) He said, "O my Lord! Forgive me, and grant me a kingdom which, (it may be), suits not another after me: for Thou art the Grantor of Bounties (without measure). And so We made subservient to him the wind, so that it gently sped at his behest whithersoever he willed, as well as all the rebellious forces [that We made to work for him] – every kind of builder and diver – [And We told him:] "This is Our gift, for thee to bestow freely on others, or to withhold, without [having to render] account!" Prophet Sulaiman never commited any major sins, let alone shirk as he was accused of: 2:102 They followed what the evil ones gave out (falsely) against the power of Solomon: the blasphemers Were, not Solomon, but the evil ones, teaching men Magic, and such things as came down at babylon to the angels Harut and Marut. But neither of these taught anyone (Such things) without saying: "We are only for trial; so do not blaspheme." They learned from them the means to sow discord between man and wife. But they could not thus harm anyone except by Allah's permission. And they learned what harmed them, not what profited them. And they knew that the buyers of (magic) would have no share in the happiness of the Hereafter. And vile was the price for which they did sell their souls, if they but knew! I hope this helps you at least a bit. Wasalams. 0 0 Reply Umm Reem December 19, 2008 I agree with Br. Shibli that Jinns can and will lie, so it is quite possible that her assertion of being a Sikh was also a lie since only Satanists worship satan, not Sikhs or hindus. I just relayed what the "voice" said to me, wAllahu ta'ala 'alam… please know, Sister Umm Reem, that your worship and good deeds and refraining from even small sins must be even more vigilant than before you encountered this girl. I would say it should be so for the rest of your life. true…very true… If you prove to be an actual threat to them then you become a target and you can incite an entire army of Jinn to attack you. This is serious business. You can be kidnapped for years and even killed by them (or worse) JazakAllah khair for your concern br. shibli. May Allah protect me, my children, you and all the Muslims. i didn't "jump" into this just like that…I made istikharah, consulted those i trust, including a student of knowledge who is experienced in this field, and when i felt very strong that is when i decided to do this. Also, do remember the hadeeth of the Prophet sallallahu alihi wasalam, that the one capable of helping his/her suffering brother/sister in this matter should help (i am totally paraphrasing the hadeeth) If the fear of getting hurt should stop someone then, wAllahu 'alam, it seems like that that person wasn't ready to read over another Muslim to begin with. Because when someone can strongly believe that ONLY and only if Allah were to allow then those jinns/shayatten can harm him/her, and if Allah doesn't allow then even a nation of jinn cannot harm a person then really there is nothing to fear about…and only Allah knows that my intentions were pure in helping her, inshaAllah, so if any harm comes to me after that then I ask Allah azzawajal to keep me firm and patient throughout…Allahumma innee a`udhu bika mina'l fitani ma dhahara minha wa ma batan The details should have been spared and I'm afraid this will arouse people's curiosity in something that they are best left relatively oblivious to No offense taken…i believe someone else said something similar too, so i will explain once why i wrote this the way i did… first of all, and believe me, the details HAVE BEEn spared. I ONLY included the conversation I thought would be "eman boosting" for others. I didn't even include the "things" that happened, details of the girl, her condition, her current situation, the harms that have been caused by the jinni and continues to do so… All Muslims already know about jinss and exorcism and are always curious to know more about it, but instead of writing a "juicy story", and none of the "juicy" details are included in my article, i shared what i thought would be beneficial for others, help them "spiritually" and re-energize their faith…i hope and pray that Allah azzwajal keep my intentions pure and make this piece of entry a benefit for other Muslims. wasalamu alaikum wa rahmatullah Umm Reem 2 0 Reply Singh December 19, 2008 Grr… 0 0 Reply Shibli Zaman December 19, 2008 Singh, I do not believe in apologizing for every little thing, as that is a quick way to immasculate any community. Rather, I believe in fixing the problem. I hope its been made clear enough that Muslims do not believe that SIkhs and Hindus are into Satanism, nor was this false notion ever intended to be expressed by anyone. Muslims have supported Sikhs' Civil rights in America on numerous occasions: http://www.cair.com/ArticleDetails.aspx?ArticleID=23876&&name=n&&currPage=1&&Active=1 http://www.cair.com/ArticleDetails.aspx?mid1=777&&ArticleID=16852&&name=n&&currPage=1 etc. Regards –Shibli 0 0 Reply Qas December 19, 2008 Back on the topic, please. 0 0 Reply qaneatkanmalayekumane June 13, 2009 the best weapon is to bite them the Jinnis ,i can remember once there was a woman who was possessed by jinns she called ulamaa but they did little not untill she got a few bites from her baby while possesed lo! the confessed right away and they never come back or just try this bring a life hyena to the presence of the possesed ,you can also take any thing from that animal i swear to Allah they scare that animal to death .! 0 0 Reply Bint December 26, 2008 I know I could never do that or have the guts, may Allaah reward you Umm Reem and protect you. 0 0 Reply Top 10 Posts of 2008 | MuslimMatters.org January 1, 2009 [...] A Conversation with a Jinn: The Exorcism Experience – Umm [...] 0 0 Reply curious January 2, 2009 SOMEONE PLEASE TELL ME THESE THINGS! WHAT ARE JINN ATTRACTED TO? (makeup,hair,heels…what?) and Do they fall in actual love with a person? or they just like their beauty Why females get possessed more?? please answer asap!! 0 0 Reply ExEx Blogger January 3, 2009 Interesting. However according to the Ahlus-Sunnah wal Jamaa-ah, the act of extracting the jinn through Quranic recitation is an act of ibadah and does not include conversations. The Prophet pbuh did not converse with the Jinn during exorcism but only exclaimed, "Leave oh enemy of Allah" It's quite silly how we believe what the Jinn is telling us. The Shayateen are known to lie and deceive all the time. Recall the hadeeth of Abu Hurayrah in which the shaytaan was stealing? What the the Messenger pbuh say? "He has been truthful to you yet he is a compulsive liar." Accounts like this only increase people in fear without viable solutions. It opens up a door into another world which we cannot handle. We were only ordered to read the Quran and the adhkaar in fighting the Shayateen. 0 0 Reply Umm Reem January 3, 2009 there is obviously no prohibition in holding conversation with a jinn…on many occasions ulama of ahlus sunnah have held conversations with jinn in their effort to order them to leave, or to make da'wah etc. if anyone reads sh. abdul waheed bali's book, there are some incidents of conversations with jinnis…as far as i remember one named marjaana or najwa…or something like that…if they hadn't held the conversation they would not have known names… in any case, I am not going to go in the details of why I had to held this conversation with the jinni (it was obviously not something i enjoyed!) but rest assured it was with the advice of People of Knowledge who have far more experience in this field and they are FROM ahlus sunnah wal jama'ah… True shayateen are known to lie, but the conversation above is totally filtered out… Just like how in the incident of Abu Hurairah (ra) the shaytaan lied but he did tell abu hurairah something true about ayat-al-kursi…similarly a few things that seeta said above are clearly true and THAT IS WHY it was included here so that the believers can benefit from it bi idhnihi ta'ala… 0 0 Reply Ahmed November 5, 2009 Asalamu Alaykom Umm Reem, I am a little confused, what did the jinn mean when she said she had been hit by stones? The Quran says the jinn are attacked with flaming stars. How are balls of fire the same as stones? Also, would there be a way to ask you a personal question that I do not want to post on this site? Jazaki Allahu Khair Ahmed Khater 0 0 Reply Ahmed January 6, 2009 How can I get the jin out of me? how can I control them or it? 0 0 Reply Shibli Zaman January 6, 2009 as-salamu `alaykum, Sister Umm Reem, you stated: "…but rest assured it was with the advice of People of Knowledge who have far more experience in this field and they are FROM ahlus sunnah wal jama'ah." I have to be frank, and I appreciate ExExBlogger's input on this as well. Whatever People of Knowledge advised you to open yourself up to warfare with Jinn made a terrible lapse in judgment. I can not, for the life of me, think of any reason why any Person of Knowledge would advise a layperson to converse with, exorcise or have any at all to do with a Jinn. Unless you live in a place where there isn't a single `Alim then there is no reason for this. In Pakistan it is highly unlikely that there is any area where there is no resident scholar. He may not belong to the "Manhaj" one prefers, but in matters like this that is a useless criterion so long as they aren't using Sihr themselves to battle Sihr. As usual, I am earning people's ire with what I say, but lookiing at the fear that is obviously generated as evidenced in the comment above, "How can I get the jin out of me? how can I control them or it?" makes it all the more clear that this blog shouldn't have been published and the events which they document should not have ever even happened. Forgive me for any offense and Allah, indeed, knows best. was-salam 0 0 Reply Rifai January 6, 2009 With all due respect to Shibli Zaman , I think that Umm Reem has done a great service by trying to help someone in a dire problem that obviously want getting proper treatment otherwise.I believe she stated earlier as well that a qualified Aalim was not really an option in her case. As for warfare with jinn… we as Muslims have been given a great deal to use for protection against them and being worried about how they will harm us doesnt help. Indeed nothing can harm us but by the leave of Allah(SWT). This is not coming from someone who has not seen these things….When depraved ppl subject u to black magic and its like, one learns the great power of the miracles bequethed to us by the Prophet (SAW).And not everyone has a scholar to go to for treatment. Having solid Iman, and being well versed in the proper Adhkar and dua, from the Quran and sunna does not require someone to be an Alim.As for avoiding sin and being careful with cleanliness…thats something we should be doing anyways right?Though I understand the point that not everyone should attempt this, it is evident that the sister has taken the advice of the right ppl before her jumping into the situation. As well, she has made known her intentions in publishing this story , and they are above reproach.It may make for disturbing reading for some, but thats to be expected :). 0 0 Reply ExEx Blogger January 6, 2009 I understand that you are saying that their are some people that do otherwise. I really can't be bothered with other people. I am only concerned about the way how the Prophet exorcised on people and no where in the Sunnah does it say he conversed. This is not a matter of Halal or Haram but rather an issue of emulating the prophetic way in exorcism to the best of our abilities. You might be able to find "stories" of the past predecessors that might have "talked" to the jinn. My point is not to point the finger of mistake at them and I dare not but rather to exercise caution in a matter which the Prophet didn't perform. I would think it's quite unnecessary for anyone to talk to the jinn. Next time are we going to invite them out for a cup of tea or coffee. Furthermore, you have no proof as to how you will ascertain the things you mentioned about the Seeta's statements about her life and her marriage. It really is pointless for the person performing the exorcism. The exorcist should only be busy reading Quran and reading adthkaar. It's really not helpful when we read that Iblees according to Seeta is handsome when clearly the Prophet told us how ugly they are and that they have horns. Seeta is a true shaytaanah because she is possessing someone. Only evil jinn do that kind of stuff and not Muslim jinn and so I will assume she is just making some noise to prolong the agony upon her captive. I decline to get points of truth from a jinn even if they are true especially after knowing the sources of what she is saying already. I can go directly to the sources of her points. Finally, May Allah reward you for your efforts in helping that sister. However you never bothered to mention anything regarding the fate of that girl? 0 0 Reply H January 7, 2009 Brother shibli, As far as I know, Sr. Ummreem has bachelor degree in Islamic studies so she is not "layman" or laywoman in this case. Yes she is not scholar, but she is not lay either. We have to be fair between exagerate and undermine. 0 0 Reply Shibli Zaman January 7, 2009 Dear "H", as-salamu `alaykum. I am very sorry. When I said "layman", I was using the word according to its definition and not according to any misconceptions you may have about the word. This is the definition of the word: lay⋅man –noun, plural -men. 1. a person who is not a member of the clergy; one of the laity. 2. a person who is not a member of a given profession, as law or medicine. So, with the greatest admiration and respect for Sister Umm Reem's credentials and achievements (ma sha' Allah), as far as I know she is not a religious scholar specializing in exorcism. Thus, in this context she is a layman (or "layperson" to be more politically correct). While I believe that this should neither have happened, nor been blogged about, there are many who will vehemently disagree with me. I respect that and let us leave it at that, insha' Allah. I am very sorry if I offended anyone in any way. Allah knows best. 0 0 Reply UmmA January 9, 2009 I think sister Umm Reem has clearly stated her intention several time that the only reason she wrote about this is for the benefit of increasing iman… It is true that we don't need a shaytaan to confirm any knowledge for us, but from some of that shaytaan's description of ther world was true (because it is in accordance to the Quran and Sunnah) and that is what the author has chose to blog about. This is what I got from the article and I know many MANY others benefited from it… I just think some people have too much time to criticize everything….the ones criticizing are definitely are not even close to being as knowledgeable as the shayookh she consulted…as she mentioned in her article… JazakAllah khiar sister Umm Reem for posting this here…it was a very spiritual reminder and for sure reminders benefit the believers… 4 0 Reply Abu Yaseen January 26, 2009 I want to share an ongoing experience with readers in the hope that smoebody may be able to help. I have been married for 6 years now. I am from the UK and my wife is native Moroccan. On the whole our marriage has been great, but not without the odd hiccup, as is the case with all marriages. However lately we went to see an alim/hakim in Morocco with a cousin of mine who suffers from psoriasis. This elderly chap has a fantastic reputation for healing the sick with the use of the Quran and herbal cures. People come to him from all over Morocco and the world to seek cures. He does not charge a penny, only asking people for their prayers. Our aim was to find a herbal cure for my cousin who has seen this condition populate large parts of his body. However after examining my cousin, the alim said the cause of the condition was not physical, but rather down to a curse. He was careful to say that the curse might not have been deliberately applied and that my cousin could have "stumbled" upon it. He said he would try and cure it but my cousin refused his help, because he didn't want it to conflict with the treatment he was receiving in the UK. Apparently an alim in the UK has diagnosed the same cause. While we were there the alim had a chance to examine all of us, myself for a lifelong medical problem, for which I have had surgery twice, and for which I was on constant medication. The alim gave me a herbal concoction which I have been using for about 6 weeks now, and it is better than any medicine I have ever used. When he examined my wife he said there was a "presence" with her and that must be removed. He told my wife to come back to him 3 or 4 times when she was in a state of purity (ie not menstruating). However my wife has steadfastly refused to believe that she might be the victim of a possession or curse. We have managed to see the alim only once, and that was because I took her there under false pretences. Even while we were there and the alim put his hand on her forehead and recited the Quran my wife wasn't taking the matter seriously, giggling like a schoolkid. Recently we have had a marital dispute which has led to our separation. It's nothing new. My wife has the habit of leaving home even for the smallest of things, and running to her mother and sister to tell them about her problems. Throughout our marriage I have noticed that everything we do finds its way back to my mother in law, whether it's business, family life, social life. And every time we have a problem I end up negotiating a solution with her mum and sister (sometimes also brother). Of course this is not normal, but it has been par for the course in our marriage. On the few occasinos when I have got into a row with my in-laws about this my wife has doggedly refused to accept the in our family, as the husband and father, I have the final authority over affairs. My wife says that she cannot disobey her mother but that she can disobey me. More worringly my mother in law seems to be exerting a greater pull on my wife than myself. Major household decisions like moving house, hiring maids etc are made at the in-laws without my knowledge. I usually get to find out after the event. Not only that but my wife has a greater attachment to her mum than our own infant children. When we finish work the first thing she does is to go and visit her mum, not caring that her own kids have not seen her the whole day. Sometimes she will sit with her mum for hours and hours. Her mood changes when she is in the house. She is nervous and oblivious of things going on around her. She gets emotional very easily. She ignores me to the point that I have to shout to even get her attention. After the recent row my wife and I started making up and things started getting back to normal. She was coming to work (we have our own business) and we started going out normally and doing most of things spouses do. However when my mother in law discovered that we were bridging our differences she put a stop to it again by insisting that my wife doesn't see me, work with me and most of the time even take my phone calls. When my wife is alone with me she is a completely different creature that when Ishe is in her family home. I cannot see how any mature woman would listen to her mother over her own hsuband, especially when her marriage is at stake and the future of her 3 very young children. I was convinced that my wife was not in control of her own faculties and resolved to get to the bottom of the problem. After failing to get my wife to see this Moroccan alim, I was advised to consult an alim in the UK, who again has a proven record of treating those afflicted with curses. He hasn't told me that there is a spell on my wife, but has simply said that the mother in law is exerting a big influence. This tactfulness is normal. Apparently the alim never tells victims who their "attackers" are. One interpretation is that the source of the curse on my wife is her own mother. Another explanation is that it is somebody else who has exerted this malicious influence on my wife in order to damage our marriage. It might sound extraordinary that a mother may weave black magic on her own child but it it is not uncommon in Morocco where wives frequently do it to husbands. My mother in law's motives might be good, but the effect it is having on our marriage is ruinous. I ask for your sincere prayers and sincere advice. Allah knows, I am at my wit's end here. 0 0 Reply sana June 2, 2009 my sympathies r with u my brother may god help u 0 0 Reply ThisIsNotMe June 30, 2009 Assalamualaikum. Dear friends, regarding the matters of jins and exorcism, i myself am a strong believer that they do exist and living amongst ourselves. I want to validify someone's comment that black magic reigns in asian islamic countries also as i am from one of them, Malaysia. Malaysia, Singapore, Indonesia and Thailand are the places where black magic culture has become a business industry to some, i.e witchdoctors (real or not) that insists on 'favours' usually money, printing publications such magazines, radios and even tv. Even in this globalisation and technology era i still could not comprehend the fact that people in my country rather resort to black magic to get what they desire, even the MUSLIMS! In my country, it is not surprising that a modern thinking and dressing (even muslimah in miniskirts) person would engage in such sin. As u would know those muslimah are, yes, the ones who are trying catch hold of a very highly desirable married or not men. They will learn to create spells or concoctions from withdoctors so that the men will go gaga after them, ugly or not. My family ourselves have been in this jin relating mess for decades. It all brewed from hatred from my father's colleague because my father had done something righteous (which i will not discussed with the world!) regarding the zakat money . so the story went on and my family had to face the consequences of doing the right thing. the reason i replied to Abu Yaseen is because my sister also has psoriasis. many 'person' we have met told us it was because of black magic.one said it supposedly aimed to my mother, this black magic but went to my sister instead. he said that the witchdoctor used dead persons skin.so i just wanted to tell you that im glad that this forum exists to discuss something very important and that i can relate to. true or not there to some ppl but there are sooooo many other jin relating events that happened to my family, even me personally. like since 2nd grade i am constantly being to what my commnuity refer to as 'laid' upon by jin. this is true, believe it or not im a muslim and not lying to you. everytime i got 'laid' upon (not being sexually assaulted in a grave way, only groping), i couldnt breathe nor move any of my limbs except the fact that i could blink and open my eyes wide. and there is a good reason for the jin to allow me to do so, so that i can see it. but everytime i experienced it i tend to close my eyes as i dont wanna see that wretched thing's face. once i saw a very tall black figure standing at my head. i thot it was my sister but when i revived myself i could see no one. when i got back to sleep i was laid again and this time i saw the same figure standing over my head and this time i knew it was it. and each time during the experience when i try to recite quranic verses i felt inexplicable pain in my body telling me stop, which i knew is jin's doing. and to further justify my claims of being haunted by a jin, sometimes i could feel big invincible hands groping my chest. you can mock all you want and say this is a hoax but its not because every now and then i am hurting because of this incident and all you non believers can do is to laugh at me! in my country this jin incident is only minor, there are other grave incidents of possessions and making the husband and idiotic fellow that becomes literally a slave to their wife. However most jin stories spiralled from simple truths to absolute thriller for the movies. but one thing's for sure, the sensationalized jin stories all comeback to simple truths, that jins are doing human harm particularly to muslims because we are on the right path and they are trying to lead us astray and the fact that some demon-themselves people uses these creatures to harm other humans while not realising that the jin is doing its summoner no favourable treat either… salam 0 0 Reply S November 2, 2009 Salam Have you not tried to get help through sharia methods? People who tell you who it is doing "the magic" or who it wss aimed for etc…these are not reliable people and are usually charaltans who communicate with jinns to find their info (this is not allowed in islam). These people prey on the vulnerable troubled people who come to them seeking help, sometimes they just make things worse telling you who has supposedly cursed you or getting you addicted to a fake cure just to make money for themselves. You should seek help but only from a pious person who treats with ruqyah from the quran, nothing else..no amulets or water or things to burn! just the blessed holy book of cures. I feel sorry for anyone going through this, and pray you are relieved of such anguish very soon. 0 0 nk33 February 19, 2009 So how exactly does one go about conducting an exorcism? I went to a Catholic high school and often talked to many of the priests about it since it was a passing interest at the time. Their procedures seem very akin to what Umm Reem did, however they don't usually question the possessing force or attempt to convert it. The idea is to force it out as quickly as possible without harming the possessed. I have never seen any specific Islamic method, other than reciting prayers. What's the point of interrogating a Jinn about its name, age, and religion–other than utter curiousity? It seems to me that the person conducting the exorcism should kindly request the entity to vacate the possessed, and not try to learn anything that wasn't meant for a human to know. Also, what do you do if it attacks you? You can't exactly fight back because you won't be hurting the jinn, you'll be hurting the possessed person. I've often heard (from non-Islamic sources) that demonic forces possess humans out of curiosity, and the best way to exorcise them is to converse with them about some basic facts of humanity (i.e. what is love? what is life? why are we here?) and then politely ask them to leave. Any thoughts? 0 0 Reply nk33 February 19, 2009 I also saw somewhere in a post on this blog that stated Satanists worship Satan. This is a common misconception. Satanists live for the moment and follow the example set by Satan after his fall. In a sense, Satanists are hedonistic atheists, but by being a Satanist you acknowledge that God exists. Therefore many people choose to be atheistic hedonists rather than Satanists so they don't have to acknowledge the existence of God. Although there are Satanist churches, none of them ascribe any worship to any demons. A true Satanist obeys no one. Satan and other various demons are only worshiped by various assorted cults around the world, hence the term "devil worshiper". I know this information probably won't help anyone on this blog, but I think it's better to understand the differences that exist in today's religions before you start pointing fingers. God knows, Muslims, Christians, and Jews could certainly benefit from an understanding of each other's religion. 0 0 Reply JIBRAN March 2, 2009 I am sorry to say but i find your story to be non beliveable, have you got anything to back up your story like video footage or a recording, maybe you could invite me along with you next time you go to heal some one who is possed, who knows. but i really find it to be made up and yet i say this with simple honesty. 0 0 Reply Amad March 2, 2009 Jibran, does it help to know that I was there as a witness? There is really no benefit in making such stories up, esp. when an author's credibility is at stake. And the point is to take lessons from the story, may Allah protect us from the shayateen. 0 0 Reply JIBRAN March 4, 2009 Brother, look im just beinng honest. I hear these stories all the time coming out of pakistan and so on all the time, i just never find them belivable i hope you understand what i am saying, lots of people go over the top, but you yourself have driven this jinn out so maybe you must have some footage of it on camera. you have my email ad, just message me on that if you can show me, i really would like to see it. 0 0 Reply mohammed November 5, 2009 Salam akhi jibran, With all respect to you, do you need video footage of angels to believe that they exist? Are you denying that jinns exist or they dont enter people? Refer Quran…salam 0 0 Reply Shibli Zaman March 4, 2009 I can personally vouch for the credibility and truthfulness of both Brother Amad and Sister Umm Reem even though I don't agree at all with this blog entry even being online. I've already voiced my concerns about that, but I do believe that they are absolutely speaking the truth regarding how they perceived these events. Allah knows best. 0 0 Reply Amad March 4, 2009 jazakAllahkhair Shibli. 0 0 Reply Al-Madrasi March 4, 2009 A video I found on the net titled: "Jinn Reading Prayer in Mosque Masjid You Can See Him Clearly" Watch Here: http://www.metacafe.com/watch/2397709/jinn_reading_prayer_in_mosque_masjid_you_can_see_him_clearly/ Disclaimer: there might be some ads in the beginning, could be of any nature (musical or obscenity etc). 0 0 Reply Jibran March 6, 2009 brother thats a rolled up carpet thats been posted on the net for years now, i have seen a few others that are more convincing, if you want il post the links. im just asking the author to show a bit of proof. 0 0 Reply ibnabeeomar March 6, 2009 jibran – if you don't want to believe the story that's up to you. I'm not sure what you are hoping to accomplish by continually arguing and demanding proof. you're free to be skeptical (just as long as you aren't actually denying the existence of jinn as that is clearly established in the Quran), but there's really no sense in arguing about this. 0 0 Reply Amad March 6, 2009 Maybe we have internet jinn who are trying to prevent us from learning about them by causing skepticism?? :) 1 0 Reply Mohammad March 11, 2009 Did you guys know a house with adhan, can cause a jinn to come no where near your house, and the bathroom jinn is harmless unless, if u stay there to long doing bad things( not mentioned) or if u admire ur self at the bathroom mirror alot…so rember do wat u have to in the bathromm no more no less and come out..its for ur own good..nd the way ull know if jinns getting u iz ull lose faith in ur belief and ull be more addicited in going to the bathroom,dats y u have to say the abthroom dua, just a reminder to all the dua iz allah huma ine awozubika minal kubusi wal kabiash. 0 0 Reply A Conversation with a Jinn: The Exorcism Experience « pakismtoislam April 14, 2009 [...] Taken from Muslim Matters by Umm Reem [...] 0 0 Reply Anonymous April 29, 2009 Assalamu Alaikum, While I appreciate that you took the time to share your iman-boosting story, I feel like you were acting extremely irresponsibly Why you would actually have a conversation with this jinn, instead of driving the thing out? Do you have any idea how much agony you put that little girl through for the sake of an experiment that didnt work? Jinn are masters of illusion, not only visual illusion, but auditory and PHYSICAL. Yes, people actually feel physical pain and psychological terror during possession. And while I think your attempts to make dawa' are admirable, it was not the right time, nor the right place. And even if you did succeed in bringing this abomination to Islam, there would just be another jinn to take its place. Not only that, a Jinn is bound to his/her master's wishes, and must complete his/her task. These rogue Jinns are more than aware of the existence of Allah, and do everything in their power to defy him and defame him. This Jinn was lying and manipulative as are all jinns seeking to cause trouble. Wassalam 0 0 Reply Samira Khan May 7, 2009 Assalaam Aleikum Can anyone please recommend me any shaikh/alim in the UK who is experienced in extracting jinn from human bodies. My very near relative is unfortunately possessed by a jinn. It's been caused by sihr (black magic) 12 years ago. That thing has been in her since then but it exposed itself 7 months ago, when she started having attacks with no medical reasons. She lives in Holland where there is nearly no alim etc etc who can understand what's going on. 2 Imams of the local mosque were brought to our house by other relatives, and as soon as they started reciting Quran verses, and the person concerned started to have attacks, the Imams ran out of the house. So after that a few others came, did a few things, never showed up again etc. After a while my relatives decided to go to Pakistan to find someone to heal her. They finally ended up with a person who did not want to see her, but only gave a taweez(amulet) to put around her neck. She had severe attacks for 4 days, then again for about 4 more days, then all suddenly stopped. And she was told that she was fine now, and that the jinn(s) had left her body, and even that they will not return, nor will she ever be possessed again, if she had the amulet around her neck forever. Well she came back from Pakistan, was still experiencing some light shaking of some body parts, but she was told, it's just an after effect of being possessed. She believed it, and went on. 4 months after returning from Pakistan she visited me in UK, after 2 weeks, she started having attacks again. 1 heavy one, after that little ones daily. So the search starts again for someone who can really treat her and perform roqya the way it should be done. So please if anyone knows someone who knows how to handle these things please let me know, we're really desperate to get her treated, as she's got 2 kids who are being kept away from her due to her possession and attacks. She does not have a violent behaviour and she does remember everything she does while she is in attack, so that's a bit different to those who do not remember anything from that period. So brothers and sisters, please help us out, and if Allah Subhanahu wa t'ala wills, she will recover and be freed of this evil entity. But I do ask for your help to seek a professional and to do dua for her. And for those who don't believe in possessions by jinns, the day you're so close to it as I am now, you will speak in different tones. A few questions now for the experts here: 1. How long can it take to extract the jinn from the body, days, weeks, or…….performing roqya? 2. Does the jinn hurt the person it's within, so while performing roqya, does the person feels any pain? Or even before or after roqya? 3. What's the chance of the jinn coming back to the person? 4. Is it better to let the jinn get out of the body, or is it better that it gets burned, so killed by recitation. cause reciting kills them doesn't it? That's it for now, if I remember more I'll post them again. Djazak Allah 0 0 Reply Samar Khan May 17, 2009 Asalam alaikum khowahir (sister) Samira, I am deeply concerned with the situation you are facing, I hope your relative recovers with the will of Allah. Insha-Allah the best will be given to her even if there is no human being there to give it. Allah is very merciful AND giving (Ar-Rahmam & Ar-Rahim). Some things I would like to mention to you as a Muslim for the well-being and nothing BUT the well-being of this woman are listed below. – the woman should pray regularly. Even though Jinns and Churayls (female version) attempt to or are directed to attack very strong people ( believe in Islam etc.) many attack people who are confused in life or just merely depressed OR live alone – people should get together at a specific location and recite the Holy Quran with the woman's presence, all the Dua'as should focus on her. – I think the family members should go to Pakistan once again and look for Peer Saabs or any other molle saab ( quran specialist) there are MANY special molvees in Pakistan who are willing to help people like her I am saying this as one of my cousins was possessed and soon recovered as he slept in a mosque for some time ( days) and a molvee would come and pray for him. Also, my sister was 10-9-8 one of those ages when she got nazar ( black magic) on her. we got a molvee to come to our house and preform rituals to help my sister recover. there was incident where the molvee looked at our clothes and told us if something was about to happen to us in the future. Also, he gave sadqa ( to give food to the poor) so they would give prayers to my sister. These are all possibilities you should try and HOPEFULLY Insha-Allah your relative will get better. All of my family's prayers are with you and your relative. Please reply with an update :) Allah hafiz 0 0 Reply Rifai May 18, 2009 http://www.scribd.com/doc/6584595/Jinnat-and-Jadoo-Ka-Ilaaj Walaikumassalam sister, having been in a somewhat similar position for a long time I recommend the document listed above with no reservations.The only "problem" with it , as far I am concerned , is that it is only in urdu. You might need someones help in getting it translated. For people who are in the sort of position that you cite, one of the problems is to know what to recite from the Quran for which type of magic.This is where the document really shines. I know that you might feel that this is just some random piece of literature gleaned from the net, but do have someone you trust look up the references that are present. From my experience , it has been extremely helpful. And a sincere word of advice,please be very very careful in selecting someone to attempt to cure your relation. There are lots of charlatans and black magicians in pseudo Islamic garb who can try to impress you with their "skills". They are likely to waste your time and money, and attempt to make you a regular "patient" in their gatherings. To cure you truly they will likely try to make use of Un Islamic and outright haram means, though they never clearly state this.I have been through quite a bit of this so I should know. Regarding your questions, though not an expert , from my experience : 1) A targetted regiment of adhkar(recital) will produce , inshAllah , results quite rapidly. Though please expect it to be at least in weeks, inshAllah. 2) The real pain should only be being caused to the jinn , not the affected person.Though the person might not feel very well ,but thats probably the case here anyways. 3) Provided that the person also keeps up reciting the specific prayers for protection, and the charm has been destroyed, inshAllah it will not be able to come back. Shaikh Waleed Basyouni is an expert here in Houston Texas on this subject , he might be able to refer you to someone in the U.K. I dont have his contact info thats worked , but someone on this forum might. Hope this helps. 0 0 Reply suhaim November 2, 2009 Sister Samira, Trust me, You don't need any impostor molvees or pirs who want to suck off your money and leave you with no treatment. I am not saying I am very knowledgeable but I know one thing for sure and that Is I am very strong in my faith, and with that strong Faith in ALLAH ask your sister to start praying and recite the following on daily bases, Surat Ikhlaas- can be read 3 or 7 times Surat Nass- can be read 3or 7 times Surat Falak-can be read 3 or 7t imes Surak Kaa feroon-can be read 3 or 7 times Surat Fatihaa Ayet al Kursi, surat bakara; ayat 1-10 and last 2 ayats. Ask your sister to recite all these with the true believe in ALLAH that She will be cured of the possession, Inshallah. If you need any further guidance, I am always available and by the way I m from Holland my self and if the famuily need any more information they can contact me when ever they wish 0 0 Reply S November 2, 2009 salam check this place for a place in London where shariah compliant treatment is given. http://forums.almaghrib.org/showthread.php?t=32622†best wishes and duas 0 0 Reply Muhammad Adnan March 21, 2010 Asalaam O alaikum Wa rehmatullahi wa baraktuhu!! Sister Samira , check this link, I hope it will help Inshallah…….. http://www.islam-universe.com/Exorcism.html And you can also find as I have seen before, the professionals here. I believe in these JIN possessions, those who are muslims but skeptical should better increase their IMAAN first. We can say and we do say that EVERY HARM is from ALLAH Subhana WA TA AALA but if a person is capable of helping other, they should besides just making DUAs because ALLAH ALONE can do anything, but what if I am the reason by which ALLAH TALLA Uses me to help others. THATS just a wonderful feeling! Those are skeptical or doesn't even want this blog to be posted, I wanna make it CLEAR that….. When an advertisement of TEETHs is published with pictures containing faces of different smiling people, we just have to FOCUS on the TEETHs, SISTER UMM REEM Said its an IMAAN BOOSTER, I'm sure, wa ALLAH Sure, that it truly increased my IMAAN…. so there is not point of talking about why it is here or someone feels its wrong lie, made up! etccc. I am a MUSLIM, ALhamdulillah, and i'm not here to offend but anything bad is from me but GOOD from my LORD into my mind….! SO get the GOOD…. ignore the bad as we know our knowledge is limited. (SORRY for my bad english)! Wa alaikum asalaam wa rehmatullahi wa barakatuhu!!! 0 0 Reply Muhammad Adnan March 21, 2010 Yea I understood it sister, Jazaak ALLAH Khair fe Daraain I won't waste the time…. because my knowledge isn't any better than ordinary one…. and he's 80…. I feel like, because today's Christians are wrong in their belief, thats why there are more atheists there because parents cannot answer the question of their children…. so the children get the arrogant confidence there at that stage and then (WHEN a person reaches a stage where he/she thinks His knowledge is enough to prejudge everything) they try to go againts ISLAM…. welll! NO offence to anybody ( For me, its like telling a stupid that he/she is stupid and then we expecting that they understand they are stupid…. ) WE can never ever find ALLAH ( GOD ) until and unless we want PEACE in our heart…. we want to FIND HIM…. because HE (ALMIGHTY) is there…. There is a reason we MUSLIM believes are so stronger than others, because we FEEL IT every second of our life…. i'm talking about devotee muslims who want to increase their FAITH ( IMAAN ) by knowing more about ALLAH ( GOD ) and believe me they get it… There's been a personal experience of mine which is occuring with me till present and will occur in future, and is INCREASING my FAITH …. that Whenever I have a question about ISLAM, or I am confused…. I just get the answer in less than one month, sometimes the same day….. and thats just ONE way of HOW ALLAH helps, NOTHING IS HAPPENING BY CHANCE!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! NOTHING AT ALL 0 0 Reply Muhammad Adnan March 22, 2010 This is for sister SAMRA """samra March 20, 2010 • 9:20 pm Don't waste the time to reply, he's one of Daniel Pipe's minions. Whatever you say he'll bounce back with something else. he's not too far from jahannat now he's had no life anyway, hanging out on islamophobes platforms for exitement… *waves Stu goodbye*""" I know, I tried it before with many atheists, but was invain, but I got one thing for sure, WHOM ALLAH wants, and Who wants to FIND ALLAH subhana watalla, they GET…. my knowledge isn't even equal to a stone if ALLAH doesn't guide me…..or doesn't WANT to guide anybody else from me!!! Jazaak ALLAH…. ( but I have the feeling of talking with him!!!) 0 0 Burqa Barbie June 8, 2012 "Whatever you say he'll bounce back with something else. he's not too far from jahannat now he's had no life anyway" Cruel 0 0 Henna December 4, 2013 i have heard somewhere that if you recite surah e Jin on some sweet thing and secretly do it without telling the patient and the offer the patient to eat , dont over insist ,,if the patient eats he is not possessed and if he does not eats then he might be …………….i dont know its true or not i only heard and ALLAH knows best 0 0 Reply sana June 2, 2009 mashallah umm reen g i want to share that we have sme spirits in our home so wat we should do to remove and i want to say that i aam really impressed frm u n frm ur observation may allah bless u amin 0 0 Reply Simran June 21, 2009 Hello i am 12 … I need help… I'v bn seeing things nd hearin voices. i had the indian relegious chanel on yesterday and i had it on my lappy the t.v went off 2 times. i did a christian preyer it stopped the voices. i am christian but indian what else could i do to get rid of it?? please reply ASP thanks x 0 0 Reply Abdullah June 27, 2009 Assalamu Alaikum, For any brothers/sisters looking for some help in doing Ruqqya in UK, I would suggest them to contact Sheikh.Abu Haneefa, who also appears on Islam Channel's Islam Q&A programme. Masha Allah, I must underline the fact that the sheikh does the Ruqqya' according to Quran & Sunnah and there is NO non-Islamic methods are being practiced. . IF ANYONE WANTS TO CONTACT THE SHEIKH please EMAIL – firstname.lastname@example.com .. I can not guarantee that you will get a reply promptly for your email, because sheikh is a very busy man.. but keep trying. If you do not get any reply, then I would suggest you to go to Al-Ansar Masjid in East London – http://www.masjidansar.com/ and speak to the Imam there to find out how you can contact Sheikh. Abu Haneefa. I hope this will help you. Jazakallhu Kairan 0 0 Reply Azhar July 20, 2009 Assalamu Alaikum, Does anyone know of anyboy that does the zikr ya-rasheedo for removal of jinn or any of allahs names as zikr for removal of jinn. Jazakallhu Kairan 0 0 Reply Norma Loquendi July 20, 2009 A number of people in this thread have commented about their experiences with supernatural beings and some are quite frightened. I would suggest that those people read about a common disorder called sleep paralysis, which usually comes on during adolescence and which disappears (usually) after about 30 or so. I suffered from this myself in my youth so I know the fear that some of you experience when you wake up unable to move, feeling a crushing weight on your chest, and seeing shadowy people in your room and hearing voices from no apparent source. It is very frightening. However, it's a sleep disorder that is related to conditions like sleep apnea, migraine headaches and the like. It is NOT a demonic visitation. It IS fixable. Please, if you have experiences with this horrible condition please read the scientific literature about it and see if some of the common triggers (sleeping on your back, sleep deprivation, high stress levels, caffeine…) are a part of your life. You are not possessed. You are not being visited by demons. You are experiencing something that is actually a common and world-wide phenomena, and which has a completely physical cause. And a completely physical cure. Education beats religion yet again! My best wishes to all who are suffering from this crazy-making condition – especially poor Simran, who is just beginning to experience this condition and who can't be expected to understand why it's happening. Simran, don't believe the superstitious people who will tell you it's devils. It's not devils. It's just a common part of growing up, like having pains in your bones when you're having growth spurts, and you can control it! The only way to conquer the supernatural is with science and rational understanding. Please Google "sleep paralysis". You will be surprised at what you read. 0 0 Reply Riaz July 20, 2009 Asalamualeikum I am some what astounded by some of the repsonses in relation to this issue. We all know and accept that Jinns DO exist and are capable of 'possessing' individuals with the will of Allah swt. Do we require any further proof than the evidence from the Qur'an and hadith. This issue is widespread and there are, unfortunately, people who will monopolise on this situation and do things like issuing taweez, charms, talismans etc… to remove or ward of evil spirits. These things are forbidden and there are only and handful of selected brothers who conform to the correct way of performing Ruqiya. Included in this are Sheikh Abu Hanifah and also Abu Muhammad both of East London. I am well-acquainted with them as I too have suffered from this as have other members of my family. The best ruqiya is that which one performs on themselves, as recommended, the 2 verses of Surah Al-Baqarah, Surahs' Ikhlaas, Falaq, An-Nas, Fatihah, the use of honey and blackseed oil, regular prayer without fail (and on time) there is no excuse… Recitation of Surah Al-Baqrah in any house will ward of evil spirits, saying that do not negate these actions by having pictures/photographs up in your house where the angels will not enter, music, idle talk, being without wuduh… the jinn is troublesome and will look for any window of opportunity… dont give them a chance. It is in your own benefit that you do all these "EXTRA" things and inshallah you will see the benefits. Subhanallaah, the Qur'an is the most widely read book in the world today! Alas it is also the most mis-understood book in the world today. To be able to benefit from the Qur'an we need to understand it and reflect on its meaning not just parroting the phrases… "The Qur'an will not go further than their throats…" Sounds familiar. Is that what we have become? It is our own actions and weaknesses that have empowered the jinn who once feared mankind, but the haraaam and sacreligious acts for gain have strengthend them and for them it is amusement. Anything I have mentioned has been from experience, study and help I have picked up over the last 4 years. There are some books which I recommend to help gain a better understanding of how to tackle this problem and also some talks which have helped: Jinns and Magic by Samir Abu Hamza (lecture) Spirit Possession, Save Your Family from Shaitaan by Bilal Philips (lecture) The World of Jinns and Devils by Umar s- Al-Ashqar How to Protect Yourself from Jinns and Shaytaan by Waheed AbdSalaam Baly The Ruling of Sorcery, Fortune-Telling, and Related Issues (The Eminent ash-Shaykh 'Abdul 'Azeez bin 'Abdullaah bin Baaz) I pray Allah swt makes things easy for you. Wasalaam. 0 0 Reply Norma Loquendi August 6, 2009 Oh good grief. This is exactly the sort of superstitious nonsense I was talking about! Why don't you try rubbing your warts with pennies to get rid of them, or throw salt over your shoulder to ward off bad luck? First you say not to get involved with charms and talismans, then you completely contradict yourself by recommending magical potions (honey and blackseed oil to banish supernatural beings? Snort!!!) and prayers. As if you guys don't pray enough. Your opinions are from "experience"? What about mine, then. I have experienced EXACTLY what this is all about! "Demons" have sat on my bed and they've tried to crush the life out of me. They are nothing. They are a puff of smoke and an atavistic fear of the unknown, to be banished forever with with science, not magical charms and recitations from your holy books (written way, way before science cleared up the ridiculous concept that imaginary beings can actually hurt you!). You are no better than those ignorant Christians who think that carrying a copy of the Lord's Prayer around will protect them from harm. So much for Islam. What's that? ururuugugugusuusuyshhhs!! OHNO! DEMONS!! DEMONS ARE GETTING ME! AHHHHHHHH………. This whole thread would be hilarious if it weren't so damaging to those who are vulnerable to this kind of silly thought. You are child abusers to teach scared young people that they are "possessed". You should be ashamed of yourselves. 0 0 Reply Amad August 7, 2009 Norma: Muslims believe in the Jinn, as being another creation of God, and as being created from fire. We also believe that they are good Jinn and evil Jinn, among whom is the Satan. The evil among the Jinn will indeed posses individuals at times. Sometimes, there are medical or psychological explanations for "strange" happenings with individuals and sometimes there is not. Indeed believing in God Himself is believing in the supernatural. So, if you think that is okay to do, then it is no leap of faith to believe in other supernatural entities, as long as your life is not driven by those things. You have been a respectful guest at MM thus far, and I urge you to maintain that spirit and not engage in condescending and spiteful remarks. If you don't understand or believe in something, that's one thing, but in that case, you are free to keep it to yourself or ask for clarification instead of insults. 0 0 Sayf December 8, 2009 Wait, wait, if you think science will not blow your mind with insanely unbelievable experiments, you're highly mistaken. The common misconception I see among non-science students is the idea that it's very rational and down to Earth.. so wrong. I suggest "skeptics who believe in scientific rationalism" a little bit of a background in quantum physics, and some of the experimental evidence that when I asked my chemistry professor about, told me it was "freaky stuff" and topped me with another insane experiment. The way I love to see it is back in the day, people thought lightning was something supernatural, before the physics was understood about it. Similarly, I don't like the word supernatural in these cases, since it is of course, a perfectly normal part of nature. Just because we don't understand the mechanisms of it completely, doesn't make it disappear from rational reality. Just like lightning. Eureka! 0 0 Shibli Zaman August 6, 2009 I really wish the MuslimMatters admins would come to their senses and just take this blog entry down. It has caused nothing but harm and absolutely NO good has come out of it. I was trying not to be judgmental before, but after reading the past few comments I am seriously starting to wonder if there's not some nepotism involved in keeping this online. Sorry to call it out like that, but for me the proper representation of Islam takes priority over anyone's sensitivities. This is NOT an appropriate display of what Islam is about to the non-Muslim world. TAKE IT DOWN PLEASE. Thank you. 0 0 Reply Qas August 6, 2009 Show some tact and may be they will take it down. Screaming usually doesn't take you anywhere. 0 0 Reply fayaz August 16, 2009 Assalamu'alaikum Umm Reem, thanks for the great post indeed, i was feeling since few months to get knowledge about some peoples who really discovered/ meet the real jinn in his/ her life so i am lucky to read it on the internet, i have read many books regarding jinn and shay tan by some Muslim authors based on Qurran and Ahadith, no doubt Alhamdullilah i am a muslim and i do believe in all the creatures made by Almighty Allah and the possession of jinn, diseases are also exists but being a muslim i cannot deny the power of a jinn but look what we have all the prayers and by Muhammad (PBUH) in the light of those things every one save him and his family from the jinnat and evil eyes (may Allah save all of us from shay tan and his forces ) also i am trying to look for the book of Dr billal philip here in my country, i will be thankful to any brother or sister if they guide me further about the books regarding unseen creatures, because being a Muslim i am just curious to read on that topic more and more. thank you so much and in last i must say all that conversation made me trusty about Islam and the creatures created by almighty Allah. 0 0 Reply shabna September 1, 2009 Masha Allah….. and all praise be to Allah (S), until today thou i believed in jinns i was never ready to accept the fact that jinns really got into bodies…i felt it somewher e fake….but reading your experience i must thank u for correcting my faith n showing me the truth…jazaakallah Khair…..May Allah bless all of us 2 get guided in the most righteous path leading towards the doors of jannah….AAAMMEEEENNN 0 0 Reply losi khan September 19, 2009 asslamualaikum brother and sisters welll i was reading ur story on the jins aand i must say i am impressed with the information that she the jinn had given you.the weird thing is for me that i always believed that meteor rites fell from the sky for a reason not becasue earth is taking its toll on being destroyed but the fact that angels are protecting the heavon skies and gates for us muslim and non muslims to enter only those who deserve to be there obviously but the point im trying 2 make is that they all exist u are the proof to the world and i am proud to say that im a strong muslim brother who believes in his religion and culture…. All i wanted to say was that u have done a great job of finding this sort of information out that is just excelent.subhannallah!" thank u asslamalaikum 0 0 Reply Aurora October 21, 2009 Surah Mulk! "And indeed We have adorned the nearest heaven with lamps, and We have made such lamps (as) missiles to drive away the Shayatin (devils), and have prepared for them the torment of the blazing Fire." V.5 SubhanAllah. 0 0 Reply nazish November 1, 2009 i am too much deppressed now adays.pary for me too much.there r too much difficulties in my life.i am facing too much big problems in my life. i am too much deppressed. jahngula nd rakifa is my worst enemies. pary that god makeout rakifa goout from my life.she is my worst enemy.pray atht mustafa goout from my life.he si making alla the time blacka mgic on me. iam psychologiacl patient from last 20years.pray for me too much. there si avoice come in my both ears.i am too much deppressed nowa days.pray for me too much.please remeber me in your sincere prayers.please send my answer on my email address. i shall be tahnkful to u. 0 0 Reply nazish November 1, 2009 I AM TOO MUCH DEPPRESSED NOW ADAYS. REMEMBER ME IN YOUR SINCERE PRAYERS.IA M TOO MUCH DEPPRESSED NOW ADAYS.PARY FOR ME TOO MUCH.PRAY THAT SAMIULLAH AND TARIQ AND ABDULREHMAN SHOULD FAVOUR ME TOO MUCH.THEY SHOULD FAVOUR ME TOO MUCH AT EVERY MOMENT OF LIFE.PRAY THAT GOD MAKEOUT RAKIFA FROM MY LIFE SHE SI MY WORST ENEMY.PRAY FOR ME TOO MUCH . ISALLBE THANKFUL TO U.PLEASE SEND MY ANSWER ON MY EMAILA DDRESS.I SHALL BE TAHNKFUL TO U. 0 0 Reply Tinaa November 15, 2009 How did you exorcise a jinn? I need help with that, a loved one of mine is being possessed by one. Please, I neeed this ASAP. email me please. 0 0 Reply Mir Wais November 23, 2009 Umm Remm, I pray for your soul, why do you spread such lies and propaganda and what is the reason of hiding it in meaningless stories that you make up? I really feel sorry for you I cam here in search for truth and all I found was a liar, using the verses of the holly book. May allha have mercy on all of us. It can clearly be seen from your "conversation" with this being that you are lying and spreading propaganda against none muslims! What exactly do you think you will achieve by this? You think Allha almighty will love you more by you lying about none muslims? I think not… 0 0 Reply Tinaa November 23, 2009 Maybe the only reason why you think Umm Remm is a liar is because you never actually experienced it. 0 0 Reply sayNotoSins December 14, 2009 a muslim brother whom i know needs help.. his family has fallen victim to black magic and they have spent alot of money to find a cure. so far no luck.. they have tried different methods and none seem to work.. plz help out this brother.. day by day things are getting worse.. for Allah sake, if anyone knows anything about this plz reply.. jazakallah khair 0 0 Reply who December 15, 2009 if he is in the UK http://forums.almaghrib.org/showthread.php?t=32622†0 0 Reply sayNotoSins December 18, 2009 he's in canada.. a pakistani brother.. his entire family is suffering from this.. jazakallah khair 0 0 the doctor December 16, 2009 this jinn was arrogant….. i would have got a stick and beaten her senseless….they say the person possessed cannot feel anything while possessed. 0 0 Reply sayNotoSins December 18, 2009 this scared the day lights out of me.. you wont see things like this everyday.. my intention is not to scare you but to inform you not to ever do anything like this.. May Allah protect us all. ameen 0 0 Reply Qamrul A. Khanson December 19, 2009 Jinn community is a reality and I have met many of them, majority of them are devils as described about Sita. Those who are believers in Islam are really good but do not forget they have their own psychology (Fitrah). Almighty Alloh has blessed me out of which I could see them in their real shape which a normal human may not see and remain unchanged. But even in human shape they are different and a person like me could easily recognize them. I met three Ulema Jinn who are highly scholastic in Islam but do not come near you if unpurified. After thirty years of experience I have decided the following. It is better for you if you keep yourself away from the Jinn community. Always seek refuge in Almighty Alloh against Shayateen Jinns who are in majority. Jinn depends upon human scholars to learn knowledge. If you come across Muslim Jinn, always exchage Salam, the Shaytan would run away. If you come across scholastic Jinn, never seek any benefit from him but seek anything you need from Almighty Alloh. However, learning and exchaging knowledge is not forbidded provided you are in a position to differentiate truth against false. Allohumma Ihdina Fee Man Hadayt Jazak Alloh 0 0 Reply suhaim December 19, 2009 QUOTE "Almighty Alloh has blessed me out of which I could see them in their real shape which a normal human may not see and remain unchanged. But even in human shape they are different and a person like me could easily recognize them." First of all I dont know what kind of muslim you are who dont even know how to spell ALLAH second are you trying to say that you are not normal person, who are you then? because only prophets can see a jinn in its real form and shape, and this is the fact. no matter how scary they present themselves to anyone 0 0 Reply Grateful Revert December 30, 2009 Thank you very much for this. I reverted about 3 years ago, and recently have seemed to be sliding downhill. Experiencing anger, confusion, not wanting to wear hijab, or keep pure (as in cleanliness). I don't know what is up.. I just feel so discouraged. But when I read Quran and hadith (English only – since I don't know how to say/read Arabic.), it is like a battle going on inside of me. I feel fearful, because I know I'm messing up and I do fear Allah and the day of judgement. And when I think I will do better, I find myself easily going back to what is wrong. But your article has given me a little insight. And hopefully I can at least learn some duas in English, so I can enter restrooms, go to sleep, etc. But no one has taught me how to pray, let alone duas, so I'll see what I can find on the internet. (I know strange… but I reverted after buying a Quran in a bookstore, read some of it and Alhamdulillah, knew it was the absolute truth! I haven't found a place to study regularly.) Just thank you. I don't think I'm "posessed", but I can imagine jinn trying to have some sort of negative influence on me. As a Christian people used to say things like, "That ain't nothin' but the devil try to deter you…" So maybe "the devil" is trying even more now that I have found the true religion, Alhamdulillah. I just pray Allah will forgive me, and give me the strength to get back on the right path before it is too late, and may my good deeds outweigh my bad before I die. And may I be able to influence my young children to be among the best of Muslims, amin. I beg for Allah's mercy and forgiveness, as I feel nothing else will save me. I'm not strong enough on my own. Again, thanks for this. It has given me some hope and insight on what I may need to do to get out of this horrible "funk". 1 0 Reply Umar January 20, 2010 Aslam o elakum, Sister I will be more than glad to help, lahola wal quawata illa bela he il ilazele azeem email@example.com 0 0 Reply Abd- Allah January 4, 2010 Sister Umm Reem, others asked about whether the Jin converted to Islam. I say who cares if she (the jin) did accept Islam or not. My question is did the Jin end up leaving the girl or not? That is what really matters, and converting the Jin to Islam is not a requirement to rid her from the Jin. 0 0 Reply Rahimzada January 9, 2010 Once again, we see Islam vs. Hindu… Abrahamic vs. Dharmic … Monotheism vs Polytheism. After reading some of the comments, why do we always blame the Hindus of "superstitious, paganistic" beliefs. With all due respect, some of our very own Islamic practices grew out of pre-Islamic pagan Arab customs. So don't just blame a region's previous Hindu culture; rather, an individual's inability to rationally think out human mental conditions might be the culprit. 0 0 Reply Abd- Allah January 9, 2010 Rahimzada, These aren't "customs" or "practices", but they are a separate creation called Jinn, and they have existed even before Islam came, and even before human beings were created! 0 0 Reply sabirah January 9, 2010 as salam aleykum i wish this post would have been less on the creepy side. I almost thought that it is a wind up. It hasn't really boosted my iman, rather creeped me out, and i feel that we could all do with some posts about being muslim and having some mental issues such as depression/psychosis/ocd. I do not deny the existence of jinn, i think that would be equal to deny the existence of angels, but when reading this i wished for some more neutral background information on the nature of jinn/possession to keep us on the carpet (or prayer rug) wasalam 0 0 Reply Umar January 11, 2010 Asslam oelakum Although I have no personal experience with un earthly beings but I am willing to increase my knowledge and know how about them, I am a doctor by profession and lately I wasn't sue of their existence on earth in such large numbers.The post is informative. Jazak Allah Thanks for sharing . 0 0 Reply suhaim January 12, 2010 wa alaikum as salam, First of all as a Muslim you are obligated to believe in jinn's existence as Allah mentions them in various places along the humans and second this book I am going to mention is going to open your eyes and your imman will be up lifted tremendously ,the best book you could get on the topic is "The World Of Jinn And Devils, in the light of Quran and sunna" Written by "Dr Umar Sulaiman al-Ashqar" salam 0 0 Reply Umar January 12, 2010 I do belief in Jins its just that I dont have first hand experience (only rumors) thank you, I will try to get a hold of this book. 0 0 suhaim January 12, 2010 Brother Umar, dont thank as a muslim brother its our responsibility to help our brothers seeking knowledge, and you should also consider yourself blessed to not have had first hand experience with this creation of ALLAH,you can find this book online for about 6-8 dollars. salam 0 0 MD July 17, 2010 The World Of Jinn And Devils book (PDF file) http://www.missionislam.com/knowledge/books/JinnDevils.pdf 0 0 studentofknowledge January 12, 2010 Jinn and idolatry: In fact idolatry started for the first time by Iblis' cheating people. After that in all places it was initiated by Jinn and later taken up by people as they merely followed their forefathers. In some places in India, the names of those who are worshiped besides Allah are equivalents of 'little demon' etc. Devils among the Jinn take the name of the dead and 'reveal' (see Qur'an 6:121- the devils reveal to their friends) to some people, which causes them to start worshiping them and build statues and temples in their names. It is interesting to note that the demon in this narration had the name 'Sita' which is in fact the name of the wife of lord Rama of Hindus.I have read about cases in india where some muslims claim to have had 'visions' in which they saw so-and-so 'god' of hindus and started worshipping them, turning to shirk and kufr. 0 0 Reply Unkwown1337 January 12, 2010 wa alaikum as salam my aunty was possessed by 3. Spoke a bunch of lies. Talked about liking apples. lolz and said didnt wanna harm anyone as my aunty has a baby daughter. Be careful people. I hope you did help this girl and not make her condition worse as ur objective was not to find out if God's word was true or not but to drive the evil out of her. But im sure you did your part. 0 0 Reply confusedimzy January 20, 2010 Dear Brother Umreem, assalaamu alaikum, i have a question about the Jinn and their powers. i have read your articles and feel you know much about this topic. recently my grandfather discovered that some jewellry he had made as a gift to be presented to his grand daughters had gone missing. they were all locked up at his home in a safe and it seems someone had stolen them. it was not a burglary or a break – in since everyting was in order exept for the missing valuables. since they were worth a lot and were of large value he fell depressed and sick and is always talking about it. we decided to go and see a maulana who controls a jinn. my mother and her sister went and spoke to this person asking who had taken if and if they would get it back. the posessed maulana mentioned details of the people who had stolen it and gave identification marks on their bodies (gaps in their teeth, short toe etc). i am not fully convinced by this, since my readings and beliefs say that we should not be asking such things from jinns as they lie. Dear brother umm reem, is it true? can these jinns actually tell who stole it? if they can, then why is it haraam for us to ask them? isnt it better to ask them and get knowldge as to who has stolen something pressious then to wait and see what will happen while the thieves gain a lot out of something they did not earn? why cant we ask a jinn, when Allah subahanawathaala will not give us an answer either? we have got details of another person, apparently not a muslim, who is able to tell you of lost items etc. my mother wants me to take her there. should i go? if his answers are the same it might prove something. how else can we find out? we probably will never, and these thieves will gain earthly pleasures while we drown in distress. 0 1 Reply Umm Reem April 11, 2010 I am a sister! No, it is not right to contact jinns to gain such information. Also, please stay away from people who claim to "control" jinns in order to help humanity. No human can control jinns (after Sulaiman alaihisalaam), jinns only "return" favors and they favors are always in the state of shirk…plus these jinns mostly lie anyways.. in any case, don't go to such people and don't take your mother to such places either. 0 0 Reply Islamlight January 21, 2010 Anyone searching for help: http://www.islam-universe.com/audio/wmv/Exorcism2.wvx Go down the 6. remark left there, you click again this: http://www.islam-universe.com/audio/wmv/Exorcism2.wvx – so the video starts – and patient a little, it starts very calm; once the man falls down the sofa, the jinn action starts to be undoubtedly, just watch and learn a lot!!! Unforgettable video, also for christians who feel as in the presence of Jesus (a.s.) when driving out jinn in the bible, you will see!!! So you see and hear how jinn are driven effectively out, and how the "medicine of qur'an" functions; hear also this jinn speak inside of that man (the sheikh forced him to vow to ALLAH to go out and not to come back in the end, and he became all normal … ). Attention: not everybody can drive out jinn, this is very dangerous, because many jinn may come to you to inflict revenge on you if you have driven one or several out! Inform well, contact for help. Know that your future depends on your own force – you have to protect yourself with your own efforts, no other way out! So do your best to build up a strong iman, seek company of those who have strong iman, learn from and with them, then you are safe. Do only serve ALLAH, not a sheick, always confirm the sources (qur'an, sunna). Not always just beg from others, searching an easy way! Dunja (this wordly life) is the "house of work", and jenna the "house of reward"! It is an illusion that we can build us a jenna in this dunja, a satanic illusion. So learn arabic, if you already do, work with your arabic distributing truth and sound knowledge, read qur'an in arabic, learn duaa', read tafsir to understand, and biography of our noble prophet ('alaihi salatu wa salaam), read and think a lot about the other prophets and their stories in qur'an, read fataawa from islam questions and answers, …. You have to learn and pracise your 5 regular prayers the best you can, very important: the fajr (morning) prayer, as this is a protection for all day!!! Woman have to wear hijab for further protection. Because people captured by jinn usually lapse on this things – so construct your protection by a strong will and try to mention ALLAH often. Buy "hisn-al-muslim" – " fortification of the muslim through remembrance and supplication from the qur'an and the sunnah" by 'Ali ibn Wahf al-Qahtani (it is small: take it with you wherever you go till you know many Duaa' by heart; cite them whenever you have the time: when waiting your turn to see the doctor/ waiting at a zebra crossing …) "…ALLAH does not want to place you in difficulty, but HE wants to purify you and to complete HIS favour to you that you may be thankful" (Surah 5:6). 0 0 Reply ashfaq January 23, 2010 Asalam alaikum Does anyone knows any methode to speak to a muslim jin..and talk about Islam with that jin thanks 0 0 Reply person January 23, 2010 walaikum asalaam, http://www.islamqa.com/en/ref/7654/speaking%20to%20jinns 0 0 Reply MD July 17, 2010 The world of Jinn and devils (PDF) http://www.missionislam.com/knowledge/books/JinnDevils.pdf 0 0 suhaim March 19, 2010 Why in the hell would you want to learn about islam from a JINN, are you out of your mind, ALLAH swa mentions clearly that we humans and jinns are not allowed to communicate with eachother, but I am sure you are intentions are not what you state 0 0 Reply Google April 9, 2010 Can you show me where it says in the Quran that Jinn and Man are NOT allowed to communicate? Give me the reference please. 0 0 ummfatima January 27, 2010 Sellam Can i share your story on my face book.. 0 0 Reply Amad January 28, 2010 Sure, with proper credit (link to original) 0 0 Reply Beyond Exorcism: Black Magic Spells, Pieces of Sihr (Talismans/Amulets), and the Disease of Hasad (Envy) | MuslimMatters.org February 22, 2010 [...] while back, MM posted an article sharing my experiences with exorcism in Pakistan. I mentioned in the post that whenever I get a chance, insha Allah, I will write about sihr (magic) [...] 0 0 Reply farah February 22, 2010 Assalamo alaikum, I would like to know if anyone knows an Aalim who can get rid of black magic? 0 0 Reply Umm Reem April 11, 2010 in which area? 0 0 Reply Aslam Patel February 24, 2010 Salaam – Just AMAZING – DUA IS THE WEAPON OF THE BELIVERS. ADVICE: DO NOT READ BILAL PHILLIPS OR YASIR QADI WORKS THEY ARE SALAFI AND DEVATED. REGARDING QURAN AND HADITH THEN EVERYONE MUST USE THAT TO PROTECT ONESELF DOES NOT MEAN YOU HAVE TO GO THROUGH THE DEVIATED PEOPLE LIKE BILAL PHILLIPHS OR YASIR QADI, MAY ALLAH GUIDE THEM. AMEEN ASLAM 0 0 Reply Amad February 25, 2010 Thank you for a good laugh Aslam. 0 0 Reply confusedimzy March 11, 2010 why would you want to laugh? he could be right! this world is full of conspiracy….one more wouldnt kill u right? 0 0 Stuart Parsons March 17, 2010 Oh what a lot of nonsense. Please stop living in the 7th century. There are no Jinns or angels. Furthermore no one has every provided any VERIFIABLE EVIDENCE for the existence of any god. 0 0 Reply Abd- Allah March 17, 2010 Can you provide any VERIFIABLE EVIDENCE for how the first human being came to exist? 0 0 Reply Stuart Parsons March 18, 2010 I can provide no VERIFIABLE EVIDENCE as to how the first human came into existence. However, I certainly do no believe that a mythical omniscient diety moulded him from dust, breathed life into him and said "Right Adam my lad, you now exist" (Genesis 2:7). Why do I not believe the creation story ? Because there is absolutely no evidence whatsoever to support it. I favour abiogenesis followed by evolution. Why ? Because there is considerable scientific evidence to support the idea. We do not have all the details, but science is pointing us in the right direction. Religion, on the other hand, fills the mind with strange unverifiable ideas like, for example, that concerning the duties of the angels Munka and Nakir. Concerning jinn the following should bring a smile to some disbelieving faces. A Questioner on the website http://www.muftisay.com enquired if he should cover his head when using the toilet becasue he had heard that the jinns might urinate on his head. The Mufti assured him he need not cover his head, but in order to prevent the jinns seeing him in a state of partial undress he should enter the toilet with his left foot first (in the style of Muhammad) and say, "Oh Allah, I seek refuge with you from all offensive and wicked things". Sadly, it was not revealed what happens if the naughty old jinns see one with one's pants down…… can anyone enlighten me ? It was also pointed out that while in the toilet, one should not look at one's private parts or the waste matter passed from one's body. Isn't life difficult for a Muslim. I have never experienced any jinn trouble while using the toilet AND I have looked at my private parts AND the waste matter I urinated and excreated 0 0 Sayf March 17, 2010 Stuart, you realize that science is not on your side right? 0 0 Reply Stuart Parsons March 18, 2010 Hi Sayf I had not realised that science was not on my side. Please enlighten me. However, I hope you are refering to real science and not to the laughable miracles of the Qur'an type science. 0 0 Sayf March 18, 2010 "Oh what a lot of nonsense. Please stop living in the 7th century. There are no Jinns or angels." It's pretty much impossible to completely disprove or prove something using the scientific method. What you can do is use observations and testable hypotheses to provide evidence for one or the other, and unless you can provide me with scientific research into analyzing/testing exorcisms/black magic in a controlled environment, you don't even have the bare minimum to support your claim. Thus, science is not on your side. "I favour abiogenesis followed by evolution. Why ? Because there is considerable scientific evidence to support the idea. We do not have all the details, but science is pointing us in the right direction." If you mean there is considerable scientific evidence to support abiogeneis but missing some details, that's simply not true. All we really have are conjectures. As for your adventures in the bathroom, your reasoning is unscientific again. If I tell you, there is research that shows living in homes near hydro towers increase a person's risk of cancer, and you tell me you have lived near one your entire life and are completely healthy, have you really disproved me? 0 0 suhaim March 19, 2010 @ Stuart Parsons CAN you Provided any VERIFIABLE EVIDENCE for your clames that GOD does not exist. I CAN PROVIDE YOU WITH ENOUGH OF EVIDENCE THAT IT WILL TAKE YOU MONTHS TO ONLY GO THROUGH BUT HERE ARE A FEW But in the end you can believe or disbelieve, but we will find it out after we die BY the way your belive about evolution is already proved to be wrong I guess you are a little behind on the information 1. Does God exist? The complexity of our planet points to a deliberate Designer who not only created our universe, but sustains it today. Many examples showing God's design could be given, possibly with no end. But here are a few: The Earth…its size is perfect. The Earth's size and corresponding gravity holds a thin layer of mostly nitrogen and oxygen gases, only extending about 50 miles above the Earth's surface. If Earth were smaller, an atmosphere would be impossible, like the planet Mercury. If Earth were larger, its atmosphere would contain free hydrogen, like Jupiter.3 Earth is the only known planet equipped with an atmosphere of the right mixture of gases to sustain plant, animal and human life. The Earth is located the right distance from the sun. Consider the temperature swings we encounter, roughly -30 degrees to +120 degrees. If the Earth were any further away from the sun, we would all freeze. Any closer and we would burn up. Even a fractional variance in the Earth's position to the sun would make life on Earth impossible. The Earth remains this perfect distance from the sun while it rotates around the sun at a speed of nearly 67,000 mph. It is also rotating on its axis, allowing the entire surface of the Earth to be properly warmed and cooled every day. And our moon is the perfect size and distance from the Earth for its gravitational pull. The moon creates important ocean tides and movement so ocean waters do not stagnate, and yet our massive oceans are restrained from spilling over across the continents.4 Water…colorless, odorless and without taste, and yet no living thing can survive without it. Plants, animals and human beings consist mostly of water (about two-thirds of the human body is water). You'll see why the characteristics of water are uniquely suited to life: It has an unusually high boiling point and freezing point. Water allows us to live in an environment of fluctuating temperature changes, while keeping our bodies a steady 98.6 degrees. Water is a universal solvent. This property of water means that thousands of chemicals, minerals and nutrients can be carried throughout our bodies and into the smallest blood vessels.5 Water is also chemically neutral. Without affecting the makeup of the substances it carries, water enables food, medicines and minerals to be absorbed and used by the body. Water has a unique surface tension. Water in plants can therefore flow upward against gravity, bringing life-giving water and nutrients to the top of even the tallest trees. Water freezes from the top down and floats, so fish can live in the winter. Ninety-seven percent of the Earth's water is in the oceans. But on our Earth, there is a system designed which removes salt from the water and then distributes that water throughout the globe. Evaporation takes the ocean waters, leaving the salt, and forms clouds which are easily moved by the wind to disperse water over the land, for vegetation, animals and people. It is a system of purification and supply that sustains life on this planet, a system of recycled and reused water.6 The human brain…simultaneously processes an amazing amount of information. Your brain takes in all the colors and objects you see, the temperature around you, the pressure of your feet against the floor, the sounds around you, the dryness of your mouth, even the texture of your keyboard. Your brain holds and processes all your emotions, thoughts and memories. At the same time your brain keeps track of the ongoing functions of your body like your breathing pattern, eyelid movement, hunger and movement of the muscles in your hands. The human brain processes more than a million messages a second.7 Your brain weighs the importance of all this data, filtering out the relatively unimportant. This screening function is what allows you to focus and operate effectively in your world. The brain functions differently than other organs. There is an intelligence to it, the ability to reason, to produce feelings, to dream and plan, to take action, and relate to other people. The eye…can distinguish among seven million colors. It has automatic focusing and handles an astounding 1.5 million messages — simultaneously.8 Evolution focuses on mutations and changes from and within existing organisms. Yet evolution alone does not fully explain the initial source of the eye or the brain — the start of living organisms from nonliving matter. 2. Does God exist? The universe had a start – what caused it? Scientists are convinced that our universe began with one enormous explosion of energy and light, which we now call the Big Bang. This was the singular start to everything that exists: the beginning of the universe, the start of space, and even the initial start of time itself. Astrophysicist Robert Jastrow, a self-described agnostic, stated, "The seed of everything that has happened in the Universe was planted in that first instant; every star, every planet and every living creature in the Universe came into being as a result of events that were set in motion in the moment of the cosmic explosion…The Universe flashed into being, and we cannot find out what caused that to happen."9 Steven Weinberg, a Nobel laureate in Physics, said at the moment of this explosion, "the universe was about a hundred thousands million degrees Centigrade…and the universe was filled with light."10 The universe has not always existed. It had a start…what caused that? Scientists have no explanation for the sudden explosion of light and matter. 3. Does God exist? The universe operates by uniform laws of nature. Why does it? Much of life may seem uncertain, but look at what we can count on day after day: gravity remains consistent, a hot cup of coffee left on a counter will get cold, the earth rotates in the same 24 hours, and the speed of light doesn't change — on earth or in galaxies far from us.(SPEED OF LIGHT IS MENTIONED IN QURAN 1400 years ago and science has just come to know not more then 100 years ago ) How is it that we can identify laws of nature that never change? Why is the universe so orderly, so reliable? "The greatest scientists have been struck by how strange this is. There is no logical necessity for a universe that obeys rules, let alone one that abides by the rules of mathematics. This astonishment springs from the recognition that the universe doesn't have to behave this way. It is easy to imagine a universe in which conditions change unpredictably from instant to instant, or even a universe in which things pop in and out of existence."11 Richard Feynman, a Nobel Prize winner for quantum electrodynamics, said, "Why nature is mathematical is a mystery…The fact that there are rules at all is a kind of miracle."12 4. Does God exist? The DNA code informs, programs a cell's behavior. All instruction, all teaching, all training comes with intent. Someone who writes an instruction manual does so with purpose. Did you know that in every cell of our bodies there exists a very detailed instruction code, much like a miniature computer program? As you may know, a computer program is made up of ones and zeros, like this: 110010101011000. The way they are arranged tell the computer program what to do. The DNA code in each of our cells is very similar. It's made up of four chemicals that scientists abbreviate as A, T, G, and C. These are arranged in the human cell like this: CGTGTGACTCGCTCCTGAT and so on. There are three billion of these letters in every human cell!! Well, just like you can program your phone to beep for specific reasons, DNA instructs the cell. DNA is a three-billion-lettered program telling the cell to act in a certain way. It is a full instruction manual.13 Why is this so amazing? One has to ask….how did this information program wind up in each human cell? These are not just chemicals. These are chemicals that instruct, that code in a very detailed way exactly how the person's body should develop. Natural, biological causes are completely lacking as an explanation when programmed information is involved. You cannot find instruction, precise information like this, without someone intentionally constructing it.. "The greatest scientists have been struck by how strange this is. There is no logical necessity for a universe that obeys rules, let alone one that abides by the rules of mathematics. This astonishment springs from the recognition that the universe doesn't have to behave this way. It is easy to imagine a universe in which conditions change unpredictably from instant to instant, or even a universe in which things pop in and out of existence."11 Richard Feynman, a Nobel Prize winner for quantum electrodynamics, said, "Why nature is mathematical is a mystery…The fact that there are rules at all is a kind of miracle."12 0 0 Reply Stuart Parsons March 19, 2010 Hi Sayf you seem to be saying I must prove jinns do not exist rather than you prove that they do Those who claim something are expected to back their claims with evidence, not the other way round. Muslims believe in the existence of Angels. I do not because I have never seen one and have no experienece of them. Consequently, those who believe in Angels are the ones who must back their claim with prooof. In the absence of such proof, I feel free to say a belief in jinns and angels is to say the least extremely doubtful. Reference evolution, I refute your contention that all we have are conjectures. Surely it has got to be better than being created from dust, clay, nothing, water or congealed blood ( the Qur'an mentions them all) by some deity for whose existence we have no tangible evidence. Reference visiting the toilet, my remarks were meant to be amusing and not to be taken too seriously. However, I must confess, that entering with one's left foot and leaving with the right while saying appropriate duas, does, to say the least, seem to be strange. Nevertheless, I am sure that if I had been raised from birth to hold up my left hand and say "Oh Glumpy Glump protect me from all the evil I will see." every time I switched the television on………… well I expect I would be doing it. I will continue to assume that Angels and jinns, like unicorns, fairies, trolls and leprechauns are mythical creatures until I have evidence to the contrary. I must confess that I like the idea that Munka and Nakir will one day knock on my coffin and determine my eternal future by asking me The Three Questions. It would seem that I am destined to have my skin repeatedly burnt off and drink molten brass. I have opted for environmentall friendly cremation. Will that cause problems for Munka and Nakir ? 0 0 Abd- Allah March 19, 2010 I have opted for environmentall friendly cremation. Will that cause problems for Munka and Nakir ? Let me assure you that it is very easy for the One who has created you the first time to bring you back again a second time. (It is He Who begins (the process of) creation; then repeats it; and for Him it is most easy) 030.027 ( Hath not man seen that We have created him from a drop of seed? Yet lo! he is an open opponent. (77) And he hath coined for Us a similitude, and hath forgotten the fact of his creation, saying: Who will revive these bones when they have rotted away? (78) Say: He will revive them Who produced them at the first, for He is Knower of every creation, (79) Who hath appointed for you fire from the green tree, and behold! ye kindle from it. (80) Is not He Who created the heavens and the earth Able to create the like of them? Aye, that He is! for He is the All-Wise Creator, (81) But His command, when He intendeth a thing, is only that he saith unto it: Be! and it is. (82) Therefor glory be to Him in Whose hand is the dominion over all things! Unto Him ye will be brought back. (83) ) 036.077-83 ( Have they not seen that Allah, Who created the heavens and the earth and was not wearied by their creation, is Able to give life to the dead? Aye, He verily is Able to do all things. (33) And on the day when those who disbelieve are exposed to the Fire (they will be asked): Is not this real? They will say: Yea, by our Lord. He will say: Then taste the doom for that ye disbelieved. (34) ) 046.033-34 (Man says: "What! When I am dead, shall I then be raised up alive?" (66) Does not man remember that We created him before, when he was nothing? (67) ) 019.066-67 But since you don't believe in God, then let me assure you that just as abiogenesis followed by evolution is how you came to exist the first time, then why don't you think that it can happen again to your cremated remains and you would come to exist once again? For surely if it happened once it can happen again, right? 0 0 Stuart Parsons March 20, 2010 Sorry Abd-Allah When Munka and Nakir ask me the three questions, I will be unable to give the correct answers. Consequently, I will be condemned to spend eternity in Hell having my skin repeatedly burnt off and replaced while drinking molten brass. I don't think there is any chance of my returning. However, my salvation might be possible if I become a Hindu. I might then be reincarnated as an earwig or perhaps a pig. That was an interesting point about my cremated remains. Are you suggesting that I will be remoulded from my ashes and have life breathed into my nostrils as per Genesis 2:7……… The idea that that might happen leads me to speculate on the possibility that I might be reborn to Muslim parents and be brought up to believe in the one true religion, Allah and his Messenger and Prophet. Who knows I might even become a reciter of the Qur'an. Under these circumstances when Munka and Nakir visit me the second time I will have the correct answers and will eventually be granted entry to Paradise. Big Question. Will I qualify for the 72 black-eyed houris ? Or are they for martyrs only ? 0 0 Sayf March 20, 2010 You're absolutely right, the burden of proof is upon the one who makes the claim. And if you would just scroll up, you would see recorded observations to support the claim being made. As for you however, you've made a counter-claim "jinns and angels do not exist" and failed to support it with any proof to support your dispute of the observations! Now, you've backpedaled from the original claim, believe science to be neutral on the subject, and tossed the burden-of-proof hot potato back to me, which was what I was hoping because there is so much more. Before I continue however, I have to address the issue of sincerity and emotional blockade. I find your demeanor and words rather strange, because here you are very vocal against your idea of baseless beliefs, and feign an allegiance to rational proof. You have a really big problem with ideas which you believe based to be on reasonless emotion, be it fear, love, hope or what have you. Yet, here you are making your own claims based entirely on emotion, I believe your words "jinns and angels do not exist", to be a Freudian slip and an insight into your mind, and those words, along with the words of other atheists when they say "god does not exist" to be based on anger, arrogance, or some other emotional issue. You yourself say "the absence of such proof….", so how is it that you could make such an absolute claim? How is it that you can have such a condescending attitude "in the absence of such proof"? Shouldn't you be neutral and open-minded to observations, if you were truthful? Why is it that you are putting words in my mouth, and hearing only what you want to hear? Let me show you: Stuart: "I favour abiogenesis followed by evolution. Why ? Because there is considerable scientific evidence to support the idea. We do not have all the details, but science is pointing us in the right direction.†Sayf : "If you mean there is considerable scientific evidence to support abiogeneis but missing some details, that's simply not true. All we really have are conjectures." Stuart: "Reference evolution, I refute your contention that all we have are conjectures." Evolution and abiogenesis are nowhere near the same thing, natural selection isn't even the same as evolution. A person like you who has placed your entire view of life and death on it should know something like that. It's either you've placed beliefs on something you don't have knowledge, and in turn proof about (and thus are doing what you seem to hate), or you are consciously/subconsciously twisting my words because of some emotional/psychological issue. So before I get into logical, rational, and scientific proofs/signs, you have to ask yourself a question Stuart. Do I even care? 0 0 Stuart Parsons March 20, 2010 Concerning abiogenisis and evolution I think we have more than just conjectures. For me evolution contains a greater possibility of being true, than having originated from a man who was made from. dust or clay or water or nothing or a congealed clot of blood…… the Qur'an mentions all of them. Concerning Islam, Allah and Muhammad. I cannot believe Muhammad received messages from a god. The Quran does not read like the work of an omnipotent, omnipresent and omniscient deity. If a god did exist, it would be blasphemy of the highest order to suggest He was the author of this primitive piece of literature. The Qur'an does however read very much like what one would expect from a superstitious, uneducated 7th century Arab. Does anyone have a photo of a fairy, leprechaun, troll, vampire, unicorn, dragon, pixie, Bigfoot, Yeti, jinn or angel ? Must go now. I want to watch the Sun set in a black muddy pool ( 18:86) 0 0 Umm Bilqis March 21, 2010 I really feel sorry for you Stuart Parsons, what a pity that you only accept external vision / observation and even then are not overwhelmed and awed by the wonderousness of Allah's creation and the shortness of time. You are like the blind one who is shown that their is obviously a creator and yet will disprove it because you do not see. You see, and hear and yet you do not see or here therefore you chose to disbelieve and yet we have been given a mind inorder that we discern. We are given senses and feelings that guide us to the truth. Your very existence is wonderous and is subjected to the will of he whom you disprove. Bring back the food you swallowed if you can it is subjected to his Laws and you can not do so. Yet you and those who are like you walk about the earth with arrogance and much conjecture. Disbelieve if you so wish but remember this the creator did not create all this in vain. You will be questioned about your deeds, all of them what you did and said on this earth will be weighed. Allah is my lord and your lord whether you believe or choose to disbelieve and it will not take away from His kingdom one shred if you choose to disbelieve. This life is test for all and may the best of us win God willing As for those whom you express concern for in terms of trails and afflications such as diseases if they are patient and are believers this will be a source of getting rewards and getting paradise which will be for ever God willing. The life of this world is short and paradise if forever. 60-80 odd years versus infinity is nothing. The most afflicted or tortured by disbelievers or sinning believers will be placed in paradise for a second and will be asked if they ever experienced hardship and they will reply in the negative and those who live of the work and toil of others in luxury and are oppressors will be dipped into hellfire and will be asked if they ever experienced comfort and will reply in the negative. As for women you are not one but I am and will tell you that any decisions I make when I am pregnant or such may not be those that I make when I am not experiencing hormone surges. This is my truth and I accept it. 0 0 Stuart Parsons March 19, 2010 Hi Suhaim, you are doing a Sayf and replying with a double wammy. It is not for me to disprove the existence of your mythical Allah. I did not invent him. Allah or God is the invention of Jews and Muslims, with some Christian support. Those who produce a theory i.e God Exists are obligated to back it with evidence. It was for Einstein to prove E=MC2, not for others to disprove it. The duty of others was to test his theory and either confirm or refute it. The evidence you provide is eruditely impressive. I would reply, that the evidence that we see all around us indicates that either their is no God or the God who created what we see and experience is a very unpleasant individual. I find it impossible to believe an intelligent, all powerful, concerned, loving God created a world in which most species kill and eat other in order to survive. I have no love for a god who created cancer, Alzheimers, co-joined twins, malaria, yellow fever, bubonic plague, spina bifida, autism etc etc etc. I do however find it easy to conceive that these are all offspins of the evolutionary process, but not the work of a super intelligent concerned heavenly deity. Surely a super intelligent, all powerful deity could have produced better than what we see around us ? I also find it very difficult to believe a concerned god would expect a woman who had been raped to provide four witnesses. I also cannot understand, unless he is a misogynist, why he made women deficient of mind and in all likelihood destined for Hell because they are ungrateful for what their husbands do for them. Do you belive in angels and jinns Suhaim and do you believe God has an army of angels who stand and never sit and an infinite number who prostate themselves in worship and never raise their heads ? Do you believe Munka and Nakir visit the dead in their graves ? 0 0 Muhammad Adnan March 19, 2010 I would like to take part here!! Brother Stuart!!! How old are you, ( if u have already told, let me know again, because I wanna waste time searching for your age in the above comments) Because your age will decide, how should I talk with you, in what sense, how much resources I am gonna use!!! I hope to share MY things with you and many muslim brothers to strengthen their belief! ( i don't know about You whether I am the one or just the influence) let me try !!! Wish you co-operate…. 0 0 Reply Stuart Parsons March 20, 2010 Hi Muhammad Adnan I am 80 years old 0 0 Reply samra March 20, 2010 Don't waste the time to reply, he's one of Daniel Pipe's minions. Whatever you say he'll bounce back with something else. he's not too far from jahannat now he's had no life anyway, hanging out on islamophobes platforms for exitement… *waves Stu goodbye* 0 0 Reply Muhammad Adnan March 22, 2010 Asalaam O alaikum Wa rehmatullahi wa baraktuhu Sister Samira , check this link, I hope it will help Inshallah….. http://www.islam-universe.com/Exorcism.html And you can also find as I have seen before, the professionals here. I believe in these JIN possessions, those who are muslims but skeptical should better increase their IMAAN first. We can say and we do say that EVERY HARM is from ALLAH Subhana WA TA AALA but if a person is capable of helping other, they should besides just making DUAs because ALLAH ALONE can do anything, but what if I am the reason by which ALLAH TALLA Uses me to help others. THATS just a wonderful feeling! Those are skeptical or doesn't even want this blog to be posted, I wanna make it CLEAR that….. When an advertisement of TEETHs is published with pictures containing faces of different smiling people, we just have to FOCUS on the TEETHs, SISTER UMM REEM Said its an IMAAN BOOSTER, I'm sure, wa ALLAH Sure, that it truly increased my IMAAN…. so there is not point of talking about why it is here or someone feels its wrong lie, made up! etccc. I am a MUSLIM, ALhamdulillah, and i'm not here to offend but anything bad is from me but GOOD from my LORD into my mind….! SO get the GOOD…. ignore the bad as we know our knowledge is limited. (SORRY for my bad english)! Wa alaikum asalaam wa rehmatullahi wa barakatuhu!!!!! 0 0 Reply Abdul March 22, 2010 Is there any good Raqi in Pakistan or in Japan to help a possesed man? please poste his contact details here or email on: firstname.lastname@example.com thanks 0 0 Reply Stuart Parsons March 22, 2010 HI Samra I am no one's minion. Daniel Pipes least of all. However, you got the Islamaphobe right. The more I study the religion, the more false and disgusting I find it to be. But of course I would not think so if I had been raised from an early age to believe, without evidence, in the existence a supernatural deity, his angels, jinns and pathologically narcissistic Prophet. No doubt Munka and Nakir will put me right when the time comes. QUESTION Do you ever wonder why so many people are Islamophobic ? Do you think it is because we are deficient of mind ? 0 0 Reply samra March 22, 2010 "Do you think it is because we are deficient of mind ?" erm, yes, actually. I know a lot of people that converted to Islam after being islamophobes, and researching more into it, with an open mind. A phobia, is classified as a mental disorder and needs treatment. I do hope however, that you have a communism phobia, my Granddad was in a siberian concentration camp for 4 years, he experienced horrors that I cannot write abt here. And Sinophobic as well, for what China has done to Tibet (and other countries). Don't do half baked stuff then, be against everything. Have a Catholic phobia too, after what happened during the inquisition and currently with sexual abuse. Be also Italophobe, because of the Mafia (and actually honour killings are still a phenomenon in some areas of greece and northern italy). Have you ever read Aldous Huxley's Brave New World? I strongly recommend it for you and ponder. By the way, Muslims do treat their elderly with respect. What will you expect as an atheist once you stop crawling? You would be left at the mercy of someone who has some sort of believe in an afterlife and do good deeds in this life. 0 0 Reply samra March 22, 2010 from you of all people I would expect some more insight. You have seen in your life all the "foreign phobias" that have cropped up in the usa within the last 80 years. From Women, Native Americans, to Jews, Japanese, African Americans, Communists, Latin Americans. Has that not taught you anything? Have you not noticed anything? How can a society be enlightened with having abolished all those prejudices exept "that one against Muslims but that's justified anyway."? How hypocritical is that? 0 0 confusedimzy March 24, 2010 hi all, i read an interesting point in Stuarts articles which i simply do not know the answer to either. its with regards to the jinns in the toilets and getting naked in the toilet etc…. seriously, what happens if they see us taking a leak or a dump? why would they want ot watch in the first place? is it mentioned in the Quran or hadees what happens? i never understood the reason behind saying a dua so the jinns dont see us naked. please someone help explain. 0 0 Reply Abd- Allah March 24, 2010 i never understood the reason behind saying a dua so the jinns dont see us naked. confusedimzy, the reason why we say the dua is because the Prophet peace be upon him did so, and we follow him and his guidance because it is the best guidance. You see, we Muslims have something called hayaa' or modesty and strive to always be more modest and have a sense of shyness, something that Stuart wouldn't understand. So just as we wouldn't want anyone to see us naked, we also wouldn't want the jinns to see us naked either, simply out of modesty and shyness. But don't forget that some of the jinns are not good, like the shaytan and the rest of the devils, and they might have bad intentions to harm us (refer back to this article to see how a jinn can harm a person by occupying their body and entering into them), so saying the dua puts a veil or barrier between the eyes of the jinns and us, so they can't see us. 0 0 Reply rhapsody March 24, 2010 science has proven that without cause, an effect is possible. look it up. we came to be because of Him whether you believe it or not is a different matter for it has been said that the blind although they see the truth will still be blind. you are disproving the mere existence of jinns, angels, god but can you prove otherwise? you are backing your claim on evolution. what do you know about evolution? you have been brainwashed by darwin. if we were really from apes, why isnt a half man half ape skeleton existing today? and if evolution was true, why didnt man go on all fours to be faster back in the day? why did we evolve into two legged beings, isnt that much slower than say on all fours? i can give you so many examples but you will refute and refute. search for the truth instead of asking others to prove that your ideas are baseless. 0 0 Reply Stuart Parsons April 9, 2010 Reading all the comments posted here is like journeying back in time to the Dark Ages when men were trying to turn lead into gold, conjouring up spells over boiling cauldrons, using leeches to bleed patients and believed a person suffering from epilepsy was being attacked by evil spirits.. Sadly the Age of Enlightenment has not reached Islam. The Christian Church opposed Galileo and Capernicus, it believed in transubstantiation and opposed Darwin and his apes and paleontology etc etc , but most Christians gradually came to their senses and moved on with the rest of us. Sadly Islam chose not to move on. Why did Islam not invent the steam engine, internal combustion engine, the electric generator, cars, planes, radio and television. organ transplants, nuclear power, antibiotics etc etc etc ???????? It is because the misled followers of Isam have never really left the 7th century. If it is not in the Qur'an and Sunnah it is not worth considering. So Muslims feel impelled to walk in the footsteps of a Prophet who believed women were deficient of mind, a braying donkey was an indication of the presence of Satan and dogs were the residences of evil spirits. He also believed he wrestled with Satan on the floor of the Medina mosque, considered chess to be an abomination and pork unclean. I married a women who was most certainly not deficient of mind. As a child I many times rode on the back of a braying donkey and never saw the devil. I have lived with dogs all my life and greatly enjoyed their company. I play chess without coming to any harm and eat pork regularly without suffering any ill. I have survived to the age of 80 without seeing jinns or angels. These pages are not the place too attempt to bring enlightenment to islam. To have any chance of succeeding one would need to sit down and talk for many hours. Sometimes we succeed and apostates are increasing in number. Sadly if Islam does succeed in its aim of dominating the West, we are all going to return to the 7th Century. And when Munka and Nakir question me in my grave, i will not have the right answers………so I am therefore destined for an eternity in Hell having my skin repeatedly burned off and drinking molten brass. 0 0 Reply Sayf April 9, 2010 Careful Stuart, your ignorance is showing. The more you post the more you show yourself to be a rash, emotionally disturbed individual and not a person of reason or intellect. The first hospital, bar-soap, degree-granting university, flying machine and so, so much more came to be in the Islamic world. Most notably however, modern science itself was shaped by the revolutionary work of Muslims. Al-Khwarizmi's algebra is the basis of which all science is built upon. Al Bayruni used that algebra to measure the size of the earth to 99% accuracy of today's known value. If that wasn't enough, Al-Haytham invented the scientific method. Al Haytham was also actually one of the first people who seriously criticized the notion of a geocentric orbit proposed by Ptolemais. Copernicus himself wrote of how much he was indebted to the astronomical tables of Al-Battani, and if that wasn't enough, there is pretty damning evidence that Copernicus plagiarized the work of Nasir al-Din Al-Tusi with his "Tusi-couple". Some of the greatest advancements of science occurred in the Muslim world in which orthodox Islam was dominant. The decline happened because of 1) Crusades, 2)Mongolian Hordes burning everything 3) Internal fighting 4) Weakened adherence to Islam. The funny thing is, I just wrote an essay for my second-year history course in which I argued that the scientific revolution did not begin with Copernicus, but with Al-Khawarizmi in the Islamic world and continued through brilliant Muslim thinkers, and Copernicus continued the effort alongside remarkable European minds. I got 89% on that, you're welcome to read. This is the part where you backpedal from my points and continue rambling on tangents. 0 0 suhaim April 10, 2010 the reason why muslims of present time listen to all the crap coming out of the mouth of the most ignorant and brain dead people in the world like Stuart Parsons and cannot answer them is because we are not well educated about our true history, as much as yourself. but i am glad about your answer. by the way Stuart Parsons is 80 and i am sure he needs some one to pick on as he feels really lonely but too bad for him if he don't repent, he is going to be alone his torment