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Camille Grammer met her still-husband's fiancee for the first time yesterday.
And the experience was so personal and so traumatic that she had to share it with the world on Bravo's Watch What Happens Live last night, following the most recent episode of The Real Housewives of Beverly Hills.
"It was interesting to say the least," Camille told Andy Cohen. "I was delivering the kids to Kelsey, and he texted me and said, 'Kayte will be there.' And my girlfriend Deidre, who's on the show with me, said we have to go down and meet her."
"She was nice, we both said hello. She has a very strong handshake... it was uncomfortable."
As it stands now, Camille won't let Kelsey go through with a hasty divorce, while Kesley wants to marry Kayte next month and... do you really care?
I hope Camille goes to Kelsey's wedding wearing her pink boa and brings Kyle as her date - http://bit.ly/eTakeA
If I was Camille I'd burn through every cent I can. Its horrid that he would expect her to give him a quickie divorce so he can marry his whore. I think he was lonely she was handy and young and would bang him. Idiots thinking with his pecker. Camille should've paid more attention to him not his career. Either way he was married and off limits. The young ladies parents must be proud that they raised such a amoral slut. Shows that neither of them have any class. KARMA its a commin!
I feel for Camille even though I don't care for her personality. Kelsey was a married man period. On the other hand he did ask her to move to New York and she didn't want to because the apartment was too small. She thinks she's cute and can bat her eyes and shrug and he'll come running. She should've been all over her husband not evryone elses. Because I would've given her a free fat lip. She acted like a slut and should've been corrected when her behavior began.
Kelsey obviously doesn't care about the emotional distress he has caused Camille. I don't congratulate or wish him well and its sick for people to coldly wish an adulterer well with his next marriage. Obviously don't have any idea what pain you cause cuz your getting your saggy ASSS waxed
I'm glad Kelsey and Kayte are happy. I know it's hard for Camille because she is still in love with Kelsey. You can get through it Camille. It's time to move on and start dating other people. Kelsey and Kayte seem so happy. I admire Kelsey for taking the steps to allow their love to flourish. Kelsey should surprise Kayte with a bracelet or a friendship ring. Walmart is having a sale on Jewelry. And we all know how much girls love gifts.
Age, smage, WTH. Follow your heart Kelsey. Look at Hugh Hefner. He's getting married to a girl that is 60 years younger than him. He's getting some TLC and he's happy. Kelsey, don't listen to these weird religious people that say you should stay married with someone just because of your age even if you are unhappy in your marriage. Age is relative. Younger people aren't the only ones that have the right to screw around.
Kelsey really that is TACKY
To leave CAMILLE for a YOUNGER BIMBO...
I am not a BIG FAN of Camille either
But that was CLASSY for her to go to
The Awards with KELSEY for Appearance
& PR Purposes...
Camille will be just fine & Kelsey
Will eventually get tired of the young
Blond and exchange her for a New Model!!
Kelsey's needed a personal assistant and nanny for his and their kids! No fool like a old fool or familiar story marry rich when the opportunity presents itself!
it is a pity for Kelsey. at 55 he is starting all over again, he is getting older and he does not even know if the new girl loves him or if she just want cash or want to be popular. in another 15 years she will be about 45 and kelsey about 70. if she lives him then just as most women does after they get money from thier rich old men, he will be an old confused man. i wish him true love and not young girls love. men needs to think more wisely and stop getting dicieved my young women
Seriously after seeing her behavior and i truly believe "out of touch she is".. i can't imagine being married that long to her.. i happen to love Kelsey and wish him the best... her ego is hurt. .and God knows if there were signs before and she's acting so shocked.. i don't trust the woman and i'm sure she's enjoying this forum to let people think less of him.. no matter what age anyone is.. if there's chemistry there's chemistry!! I mean why is Camille (on a different note :)) always kissing her friends husband on the lips.. she's very dishonoring to other woman.. the adage.. what goes around comes around...
I am not Camille's fan but Kelsey is 100% wrong to put the mother of his children and wife of 14 yrs on this situation.
The least he can do is to use some discreation


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Khan: Red Wings have touched base with Datsyuk's agent, but no other contracts are on front-burner
by George Malik on 04/19/13 at 01:04 AM ET
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We'd heard this from the CBC's Elliotte Friedman, but it's great to have a Wings beat writer confirm it: According to MLive's Ansar Khan, Red Wings GM Ken Holland has indeed "touched base" with Pavel Datsyuk's agent, Gary Greenstin, and while the Wings can't formally re-sign Datsyuk (whose situation is "complicated" given that, after the 1 year remaining on his $6.7 million contract, the Chief says he's not keen on playing in the East or playing with the personnel he's playing with, and the Chief's source is bedrock-solid; I'm going with the, "His daughter's enrolled in primary school in Yekaterinburg, which is usually a sign that a player's planning on 'going home' after his career is over, and family tends to win" angle)...
But given that the franchise's lack of meaningful off-season or in-season acquisitions has the fan base (myself included) frustrated as all *#$%@& get out, it's wonderful to hear that the one contract Ken Holland is willing to hammer out as long as the Wings are playing hockey involves fighting to keep Datsyuk in Detroit:
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Red Wings afternoon news: to make the playoffs, the Wings must win at least 3 of 5 remaining games
by George Malik on 04/18/13 at 01:31 PM ET
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I haven't slept since a pre-game nap prior to the Red Wings' rather wretched 3-2 loss to the Calgary Flames last night for reasons mostly not involving the game, but given that I came home from a 100-mile round trip of ferrying the mom to an appointment with 60+ "You've Received a Comment" notifications, I'm just going to guess that more than a few of you are still mightily pissed off about the Wings' struggles, and that you're not thrilled with my, "Last night's loss is on the players" take on the defeat.
Regardless of who is or isn't held responsible for in-game situations and who is held culpable for making or not making the personnel tweaks available and/or necessary to provide the coaching staff and players with the best possible opportunity to win, the Wings face an incredibly stiff task ahead.
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Red Wings prospect Ryan Sproul named OHL's defenseman of year; Wings nominate Eaves for Masterton
by George Malik on 04/18/13 at 12:42 PM ET
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A Red Wings prospect and a current Wings player received and were nominated for significant awards, respectively, this afternoon:
Soo Greyhounds defenseman and Red Wings prospect Ryan Sproul, who's turning pro with the Grand Rapids Griffins, was named the OHL's defenseman of the year. From the Ontario Hockey League...
The Ontario Hockey League today announced that Ryan Sproul of the Sault Ste. Marie Greyhounds is the 2012-13 recipient of the Max Kaminsky Trophy awarded annually to the OHL's Most Outstanding Defenceman of the Year.
Sproul led all OHL defencemen in scoring with 66 points in just 50 games tying teammate Colin Miller for the league-lead in goals among blueliners with 20 while adding 46 assists. He becomes just the third member of the Greyhounds to win Defenceman of the Year honours following current Los Angeles King Jake Muzzin (2009-10), and Columbus Blue Jackets Associate Coach Craig Hartsburg (1976-77).
"This is the greatest accomplishment of my life to date," Sproul said. "I am extremely honoured to be given this award and I have to thank the Greyhound organization for everything they have done for me over the last 3 years."
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Griffins selling playoff tix on Friday
by George Malik on 04/18/13 at 12:34 PM ET
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Some irony here, from the Grand Rapids Griffins' PR department:
All Home Playoff Games to Feature $2 Beers and $2 Hot Dogs
GRAND RAPIDS, Mich. – Tickets for the Grand Rapids Griffins' first home game of the 2013 Calder Cup Playoffs will go on sale to the public on Friday, April 19 at 10 a.m.
The date and opponent for "Game A" will be announced no later than this Sunday night, as the Griffins' playoff seeding will be determined by results of the final weekend of the AHL's regular season. Currently the third seed in the Western Conference, Grand Rapids is two points away from clinching the Midwest Division title and has an outside shot at the No. 2 seed with three games left on its schedule, beginning with its regular season home finale against the Peoria Rivermen on Friday at 7 p.m.
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Red Wings-Flames wrap-up and overnight report: desperate times
by George Malik on 04/18/13 at 03:32 AM ET
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The Detroit Red Wings are in trouble, and the only people that can help the Wings are the players who don red and white jerseys every night.
After dropping a 3-2 decision to the Calgary Flames--the Wings' third straight loss against Calgary--the 20-16-and-7 Wings (having played 43 games and possessing 18 Regulation-or-OT Wins) have 47 points and sit in 9th place in the Western Conference, 2 points behind the Columbus Blue Jackets (21 wins, 16 ROWs, 44 games played, and Columbus defeated Anaheim 3-2 in OT on Wednesday evening), 2 points ahead of the Dallas Stars (21 wins, 19 ROWs, 42 games played, and Dallas hosts Vancouver on Thursday) and 4 points ahead of the Phoenix Coyotes (18 wins, 15 ROWs, 42 games played, and if the Coyotes lose to the St. Louis Blues on Thursday, St. Louis would jump from 50 to 52 points, and would essentially be out of reach).
Again, long story short, especially if the Blues defeat the Coyotes this evening, there are 4 teams battling for 1 playoff spot, and the Wings do not own that playoff spot at present.
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Red Wings-Flames quick take: self-inflicted wounds decimate Wings
by George Malik on 04/17/13 at 11:16 PM ET
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The Detroit Red Wings packed their equipment bags and boarded Red Bird III to fly further West an off-day in Vancouver after dropping an 3-1 decision against the Calgary Flames on Wednesday night, and their loss, combined with Columbus defeating Anaheim 3-2 in overtime, leaves the Wings in a particularly difficult position in the Western Conference standings--in 9th place, behind the Blue Jackets (though the Wings have a game in hand and more ROWs than Columbus), and in more danger with Dallas (2 points behind Detroit) hosting the Wings' next opponent, the Vancouver Canucks, on Thursday...
But you already know that. How the Wings managed to drop three straight games to the Flames, with the latter two games involving the Wings surrendering own-goals of the heinous variety--tonight, with Jonathan Ericsson helping Steve Begin tap a puck through Howard's legs, and then Kyle Quincey peeling away from the net and Damien Brunner changing on a power play, Howard expressing his frustration and allowing Begin to score...
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Red Wings-Flames game-day updates: Quincey, Eaves in as Wings hope to spoil Kipper's 1st farewell
by George Malik on 04/17/13 at 01:01 PM ET
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Updated 15x at 4:49 PM: You can empty the cliche bag regarding the necessity of the Detroit Red Wings earning points against the Calgary Flames this evening (9:30 PM EDT, FSD Plus/TSN/97.1 FM), but nobody's been talking about the degree of difficulty that the Wings actually find themselves facing this evening.
The Wings and their workhorse goaltender have to find a way to upstage what will be the first of two Miikka Kiprusoff "farewell" events, and the fact of the matter is that the Flames' pair of 5-2 wins over the Wings in February and March did not hinge upon the play of Jarome Iginla, but instead, Curtis Glencross, as the AP's game preview noted:
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What happens when a hockey fan finds herself in Larry Murphy's office, during a coaches' spat
by George Malik on 04/17/13 at 11:26 AM ET
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The playoff-bound Grand Rapids Griffins' excellent video staff's promoting their "Between the Benches" videos, which are excellent vieiwng, ahead of Friday's home finale against the Peoria Rivermen and the conclusion of the AHL's regular season on Monday...
But Winging it in Motown's Josh Howard asked me to give his better half's photography website and blog a glance as Jennifer Leigh earned the opportunity to photograph last Saturday's Griffins-Rivermen game...
And as someone who's working his way up that, "Fan turned 'professional' following his-or-her favorite organization and its respective affiliates" ladder, I can relate to Leigh's experiences in a big way, even though she's A) a photography professional who fell in love with hockey while covering games, which is the other way around and B) one-upped everyone who doesn't work for a broadcaster by spending a fight-filled game in Van Andel Arena's version of Larry Murphy's office:
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Red Wings mid-day news: on workhorse Howard, grumpy Franzen, DeKeyser and prospects
by George Malik on 04/17/13 at 10:40 AM ET
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The Detroit Red Wings face a must-win situation when they tangle with the Calgary Flames this evening (9:30 PM EDT, FSD Plus/TSN/97.1 FM), but the Wings' "morning" skate won't take place until around 1:30 PM EDT, so here's a round-up of the stories that were posted too late (or early) to make the overnight report:
MLive's Brendan Savage duly notes that one of the main reasons the Wings were willing to sign Jimmy Howard to a 6-year, $31.8 million contract extension involves a simple truth: since the beginning of Howard's full-time tenure with the team during the 2009-2010 season, the coaches and management haven't been able to find a health or consistent goaltender to back Howard up.
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Metro Detroit's best-kept hockey secret, the Plymouth Whalers, battle the 'Yankees of Junior Hockey'
by George Malik on 04/17/13 at 03:39 AM ET
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Yahoo Sports' Neate Sager reports that Plymouth Whalers coach Mike Velucci played the underdog card in a big way ahead of Plymouth's OHL Western Conference Final match-up against the London Knights, but in doing so, Velucci did speak the truth regarding the fact that the Whalers are the best Detroit-area hockey team that you've probably rarely heard of:
"It's fun to play against [London]," Vellucci added. "They're the Yankees. They get 9,100 people. [London coach] Dale [Hunter] has coached in the NHL before [with the Washington Capitals]. They get more national TV, more media. It's great to be the spotlight. We're kind of always here in Plymouth off the radar. We have our one reporter who asks questions. For our kids it's cool to be in that atmosphere and be in that position."
It is easy to deduce from that Vellucci and the Whalers are leaning on the us-against-the-world motif, although one never claims to know where a group finds its motivation in the dressing room. Plymouth is a model franchise which has never missed the playoffs while producing a steady stream of pros. Getting the public's attention while playing in suburban Detroit in a market crowded by teams in all four major professional leagues and two huge NCAA brands in the Michigan Wolverines and the Michigan State Spartans is not easy.
Continued, and between the fact that the Whalers are nothing less than a hockey machine and the fact that very few people know that Ann Arbor's U.S. National Team Development Program squad produces oodles of high draft picks and NCAA athletes (including a certain Red Wings goalie who just signed a $32.8 million contract extension)...Sometimes we forget that Metro Detroit swims in elite hockey programs at every level of competition.
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Friday night at 1:45 a.m., at least a hundred people were on the main door line for Output, a dance club in Brooklyn that opened near the beginning of the year. They wouldn't be getting in for a while: the spot had reached capacity a half-hour before, shortly after the night's headliner, John Digweed, had begun his DJ set, and they were only letting in folks who'd bought tickets specifically for the show. "No wristbands," said the doorman. The wristbands were all-events passes for the sixth annual Brooklyn Electronic Music Festival (BEMF) — the nominal reason for Digweed's appearance.
Business as usual, then, for a weekend on Williamsburg's clubbing strip, as small bunches of young folks either walk or cab up and down Wythe Ave., hopping from one DJ to another. That's been particularly intense in recent months, since Output opened and nearby Cameo Gallery began upping its electronic-dance bookings.
A tired-looking, fortyish man left the club through the side-door entrance, where a smaller line waited to get in. A younger guy in an anxious knot of people shivering in anticipation of Digweed's big-room beats asked the newly departed partier what it was like inside. "Crazy?" he suggested eagerly. "Crazy," the older man replied, "but not that crazy." That, too, was business as usual.
The Brooklyn Electronic Music Festival is one of the electronic-dance calendar's more curious weekends. Though about one-third of the featured talent this year resides in the borough, and several regular Brooklyn parties signed on as part of its program, BEMF doesn't yet have much personality of its own. Distinct sensibilities guide the North American club-based festival scene: MUTEK in Montreal balances an overtly arty sensibility with a serious party atmosphere, booking lots of local talent; Decibel, in Seattle, is earthier, more American and a hair more populist. You might see Moby at Decibel, but not at MUTEK.
Like Seattle and Montreal, Brooklyn is a tech center with rising living costs — only more so — and a subsequent boom in electronic dance music. (Many dance producers and DJs make their real money in software.) Parts of Williamsburg and nearby Bushwick seem more and more like way stations for the young and moneyed, attracted by its DIY patina while still able to pay its not-so-DIY prices. So maybe it's fitting that BEMF's lineup was a hodgepodge — few acts you couldn't have seen any other weekend (the biggest names were Digweed, Pete Tong and Actress, none of whom have much traction for an American non-dance aficionado) and little overriding sense of event. It felt as rootless as those areas are becoming.
There's an increasingly tepid hue to underground dance music that looks like a direct reaction to — or, really, a retreat from — the EDM juggernaut. Though no one disputes the term "electronic dance music," the music its initials signify is something else altogether. EDM is the blaring obnoxious stuff for neon-clad kids on Molly that populates the mega-fests — not the refined, arty music the BEMF (like MUTEK and Decibel) dotes on. Lord knows 95 percent of EDM combines the worst parts of '80s power ballads (gushing over-sincerity, big bland-o hooks, no-personality singing) with the dumbest aspects of dance music's commercial end, a no-win situation all around.
But the dance underground's retreat into mere tastefulness has been just as dispiriting. The latter half of the 2000s were a time when everything from hard, dark techno (from Ben Klock to Peter Van Hoesen) to the giddiest of the L.A. bass experimentalists circling Flying Lotus seemed charged with new possibility. Jack Dunning, a.k.a. U.K. producer Untold, told me about playing the Bass Mutations showcase in February 2010, for an oral history of Brooklyn party The Bunker: "I was able to turn up and drop an hour of unheard tracks. It was great to get such a hyped crowd reaction — a real eagerness to dance hard to the wildest tracks."
Less than four years later, such eagerness was hard to come by at BEMF, and it wasn't only due to how crowded some of the showcases were. Festivals like MUTEK and Decibel picked up in numbers through the late 2000s, but, more decisively, so did electronic-friendly festivals like Camp Bisco in upstate New York, as well as Electric Daisy Carnival, an L.A. fixture throughout the 2000s that moved to Vegas in 2011. When "EDM" came on board as the term of choice in 2011 — see also: "acid house" in 1988, "rave" in 1992, "electronica" in 1997, "electro" in 2006 — there was another generation of kids ready for the newly pop-friendly presentation. You go to an EDM festival and hear the same dozen songs every set. If a "dance underground" exists, it consists of people who want to dance to adventurous music.
At Thursday night's opening party for BEMF, New York's Curses played twinkly tech-house and garage that was, in its way, good. But little about it was adventurous. It was tasteful but lacking anything that might jerk your attention away from your coterie or make you want to show it to people who don't already know it exists. It felt terminal; nothing Curses played could induce actual cursing, in exaltation or disgust. The same applied to Seafloor's garage-heavy set on Saturday in Cameo Gallery's basement. (Several people told me I didn't stick around long enough to hear it out fairly.) At least Teki Latex, Sunday at Output, was actively irritating. He finally got a bouncing groove happening after too many teases and non-starts; it lasted an entire track before he went back to an unyielding grind. In dance music as in life, the line between polite and tedious is perilously thin.
Much more effective long-winding build-ups came courtesy of Detroit's BMG (Friday night, 285 Kent; part of The Bunker's showcase) and Chicagoan-turned-Brooklynite Chrissy Murderbot (Saturday night, Cameo Gallery basement), who cunningly mixed classic house, acid and disco without sounding mired in nostalgia. Digweed — getting into Output at 4 a.m. was no problem — sounded crisp and techy, both big and intimate, though little of it truly grabbed. Nevertheless, the shoulder-to-shoulder crowd was a far cry from the few dozen stragglers he played for in the middle of the day at an outdoor corner stage at Ultra this March. It pointed to the differences between the EDM crowd and the one at Output, but also between those in the crowd who'd bought tickets just for Digweed and those wearing BEMF wristbands. The former features a lot more Woo Guys ("Woo! Woo! Woo! Woo!" etc.); the latter is a lot more apt to have learned to dance at Pavement shows.
BEMF had plenty of crazy-but-not-that-crazy available in other departments as well — in particular, DJs awkwardly mixing hip-hop and R&B into their sets in ways that felt both random and de rigueur. Trap has been a floor-goosing default for underground dance DJs for about three years now. It's a facet of the larger movement to acknowledge the R&B underpinnings of much of electronic dance, from Soul Clap's controversial R&B Edits EP of 2010 to the smeared Brandy and Ciara vocals behind, respectively, Blawan's "Getting Me Down" and Jacques Greene's "Another Girl" (both 2011). Trap saturated the 2011 edition of Decibel; when Baauer's "Harlem Shake" hit number-one in February, it was a full ten months after it had blown up in the dance world thanks to Scottish DJ Rustie's edition of BBC Radio 1's Essential Mix.
At BEMF, the songs heard most weren't house or techno or even "bass" (the umbrella term underground types use instead of "dubstep" now that the latter belongs to the masses), but Rihanna's "Pour It Up," French Montana's "Ain't Worried About Nothin'" and Jeremih's year-old "F—- U All the Time," crowbarred in among the DJ-centric stuff. It wasn't so different from the way EDM DJs will drop big non-dance hits for a hey-I-know-that-one! charge, but here it seemed fatigued, neither transgressive (one man's mainstream is another man's avant-garde) nor, in many hands, especially wise. (There were exceptions, such as DJ Slow's b-boy-ready set at Glasslands on Friday night.)
At Cameo Gallery Sunday night, Montreal's Blacky II's slow trap selections eventually took on the tempos and rhythms of their surroundings, but the contrasts jarred. (So does the Caucasian DJ's stage name.) Thursday at Output, English Rinse FM regular Oneman started wonderfully rambunctious and kept it up for a half-hour before the half-time rap interludes began to pall. Eventually it grew merely cutesy: Meli'sa Morgan's cover of Prince's "Do Me Baby" was particularly intrusive and ill-considered, even if it bridged into some nice acid. That kind of rug-pulling sounds better on pirate radio.
Or maybe they just sound better blended more fully, as with Nadastrom's set Saturday night at Music Hall of Williamsburg. The D.C.-bred, L.A.-based duo crafted the moombahton style, which blends just about every genre named above as well as Baltimore club and reggaeton. They're also deliberately messy, rather than just occasionally sloppy — in this company, a relief. The hook of Fugees' "Fu-Gee-La" was set to melting low end and booming four-to-the-floor, a maelstrom to lose oneself in. Another familiar vocal rose out of the mix: Alex Clare's "Too Close," a pop-dubstep track most familiar from the Internet Explorer 9 TV ad campaign, in Nadastrom's own slow-mo remix. Maybe it was just the set and setting, as is so often the case with electronic dance music, but it didn't just sound like business as usual.


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I guarantee you a lot of CMO's (and a whole lot of other people) tuned in to watch this frank round table discussion.
What industry is your website targeting? Are you a sales training company targeting sales managers? Why not get together a group of 3-4 sales managers and ask them to talk about their biggest challenges with employee training?
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These would have to be candid, honest discussions about real issues people are facing. There's no sales pitch for your company allowed in these videos. It's simply your way to facilitate an honest discussion about the issues and challenges within your industry.
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THEN you can create copy and links, so that after they watch the video, you can show how your service addresses their issues, solves their problems, and overcomes their challenges.
It's called building rapport. You're letting your prospective customers know: "We understand you. We care about the same issues you do. We're in touch with people like you, and if we're listening to their concerns, needs, and desires, we'll listen to yours, too."
It's about showing, not telling. Instead of saying, "We're an industry leader, well versed in the problems that sales managers face every day," SHOW them. It will be way more effective.
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About the Author: Holly Buchanan is co-author of The Soccer Mom Myth — Today's Female Consumer: Who She Really Is, Why She Really Buys; and co-instructor of FutureNow's Persuasive Online Copywriting seminar, June 2nd in Manhattan.
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Seagate tells flash bigots to get real
Disk drive vendor Seagate has issued a document that tells flash evangelists to get real – there is no way flash will kick disk drives out of notebook storage for many years to come. The pdf document is called "NAND Flash: Can It Meet the Growing StorageCapacity Demands of the LaptopPC Market?" and it's short enough to reproduce …
False logic
As somebody who sees a lot of laptops for repair etc, the vast majority of them only use a tiny amount of their storage. Most have 20-40gb of data and the rest is wasted space. Just that adjustment alone makes a huge difference to their maths, if only consumers didn't see capacity figures as `bigger=better`.
I'll bet if PC World sold identical laptops, one with 500gb 2.5" drive and one with a 60gb SSD, that most people would see the numbers and still go with the 500gb. In reality if they wanted a laptop for the most common uses (net, email, facebook) the flash version would be much more useful in real-world usage.
the only reason laptop disks are gettig bigger is that it is now cheaper to put a big disk in it. people see the bigger size and think "gosh this must be better because it's bigger", I for see something inbetween, where there is a SSD for the OS and programs area, and another "standard" disk for storage, that'd get my vote.
My last laptop had 80GB and I never used half. My current one has 500GB and I think I have used under 50GB so far.
The same goes for our company laptops, the have 250 - 350GB hard drives, but most use only a couple of GB for data.
With the move to the cloud and data centralised on servers, the requirements for individual user devices is going to shrink.
Most of our users have Windows Terminals on their desks, no local storage at all, just a 2GB flash drive to boot from - and most of that is empty!
I took the hard disk out of my netbook and put a SSD in. The battery lasts 50% longer, and 32GB is more than enough for email, web-browser, and the occasional presentation.
"Spending $10 billion2 to buy 4 per cent of notebook storage market share, or $2 billion in revenue, is not viable"
This statement is the one I take issue with. Why? It doesn't seem to factor in retail value. With 2.5" spindles going for $0.10/GB, and SSDs going for $1.90/GB, That's a 1900% increase! [(0.1*(1900*0.01)) if you want to do the math] Their $2bn is the capitalization of spindles by storage capacity sold. If laptops were stuffed with similarly-cheap spindle drives, then yes, $2bn would be an accurate guess. However, SSD-equiped laptops wouldn't be bottom-barrel laptops, but performance-oriented laptops (dual drive perhaps?) and netbooks with next-to-no capacity (16GB perhaps?). The performance or midrange laptops would likely be (optionally) stuffed with 64-120GB drives in lieu of 500GB counterparts. Each one of these supplantings would, at the least, cost 2x the drive they're replacing (if you do the math, that's a 64GB(ish) in place of those 500GB drives, and a 16GB in the netbook sub-200GB single-platter replacements), which would net them a minimum of $4bn by supplanting $2bn of normal platter data. If these numbers are profit margins vs cost, rather than actual sales, then the numbers swing even more favorably toward NAND. So, 2.5yrs for a $10bn fab, then ice cream and cake afterwards? Sounds like a good investment....oh wait? Isn't that why so many manufacturers are jumping the bandwagon and DOUBLING (nearly) the NAND output in 1 year? Yeah, thought so.
During the 1920s the LNER was investigating high speed trains, and the germans had a high speed diesel railcar and the swiss had some very clever electric technology.
Because the infrastructure was there and they were familiar with the manufacturing they rejected both alternatives and built the A4 streamliners. Ten years later Mallard went on to break the steam speed record, and steam traction remained king until the middle 1950s.
Now, in the 21st century, no-one would consider even diesel for high speed operations, and electric is everywhere. Steam is for hobbyists and museums. And yet, Mallard remains magnificent.
The comparison with hard disks? Well, given that the life of a railway locomotive is between 20 and 60 years, we are around 3-4 generations on from the decision not to buy the flying hamburger. What will storage look like in 3-4 generations? How long is a generation? 3 years?
Hard disks are cruising into their Mallard era, but the future won't stop there.
Predicting the future is easy. Getting it right is nearly impossible.
@R.E. Harvey
"in the 21st century, no-one would consider even diesel for high speed operations,"
Apart from the UK, which is why the lines are not all electrified
There, corrected that for ya...
Apart from the UK, which doesn't have high speed rail...
No high speed rail in UK?
What about British Rail Class 373/TGV TMST, AKA Eurostars?
What's that mean, then?
Not sure about the analysis
I can quite easily see that for large areas of the market, SSDs will displace hard drives. The statement about how much installed capacity there is on laptops rather implies that all that space is required. That might well be so for personal users who want to keep lots of bulky multi-media files(video and, to a lesser extent, photos being the obvious ones. Also, some games are incredibly bulky. However, these requirements are far from common in the business field. In general, the storage requirments for business documents, spreadsheets and the like are far lower than for what you find in domestic usage (with a few exceptions of course). In business, the important issues are often about productivity, speed to boot, battery life, robustness, reliability and weight. Time spent in booting machines, starting programs, applying updates not to mention support staff all costs money. In the case of my company, data is synchronised with central storage, and there is considerably impetus to reduce duplication with single-instancing and keep distributed data volumes to reasonable levels. The combined system and data partition on my worktop PC is just 64GB and is only half full (albeit that there is a hidden rebuild partition).
So, to equate installed capacity with market penetration is surely not the right metric here. That the majority of installed capacity will be on HDD is surely going to be true for a long time. The same might not be the case when measured by value or installed units.
From a personal perspective, I gave up using a laptop for my photos and video storage and processing long ago. I have a laptop, but it's not got much data on it. The bulk of data is serviced centrally, where I can properly protect it. The laptop is turning into not much more than an access device and 128GB is ample, and I could probably cope with 64GB compared to the 2.5TB I have on my central storage. What I need from the laptop is that it starts fast and runs on battery for a long time. I do not want it for bulk storage. In many ways domestic households will echo business practice in this respect with centralised storage and, for heavyweight work, processing.
Seagate should get real
agreed. However it does boil down to price sensitivity. Currently a cheap notebook HD is maybe £25-£35 + VAT. An SSD of reasonable capacity ie 120GB is still £100. On a £380 notebook that's about a 20% uplift in price. When it comes down to 120GB = 5% uplift, then I think HD don't stand a chance. That uplift will speed up the laptop enormously, and is worth while as a speed upgrade rather than a "capacity downgrade".
My view is that while most people can live with 60GB it is a little tight, 120GB is easy to live with and can hold as many games, photos and as much iTunes music as most people are likely to need given current compression techniques (AAC, JPG, MP3) . So when 120GB flash drives cost £50 then HDD guys should get worried. Either that or they need to that bit torrent is shut down.
The capacity demand in laptops is driven by HDD guys building denser disks, the cost of a platter remains fixed.
Here is the SSD catch
There are known issues with small files and multimedia files stored on the SSD with the sandforce controller.
For instance:
1) Performance degrades over time - some recommendations are to low level format the device and reload the O/S to get your speed back
2) To achieve 275 mb/s, the files must be uncompressed
3) Based upon #2, video, picture, zip, etc files will be read at 150 mb/s It also contributes to issue #1 with SSD performance degradation
4) Using a SWAP file with these will clearly shorten the life of any SSD
5) There are also issues with small files, etc.
Your best bet is the O/S on a small SSD and your data files, temp files, SWAP files location on a regular hard drive. This is currently the optimal solution. Would have liked to see Seagate to this type of comparison...
"Laptop users want more capacity, not less"
But at what price? They also want faster machines, so at some price point, the speed of flash will overtake the size of HD as the most important factor.
There is also the question of when the tablet/slate form factor will overtake...
Obsolescence never meant the end of anything—it's just the beginning.
@Robert Harvey
Are you saying that the HDD is becoming obsolete? Is it the king is dead long live the king?
HDD are not becoming obsolete, in fact they are becoming ever more advanced, it truly is amazing the tech involved. CPUs talk about nm, HDDs deal in Angstroms (a simplification I know but its true). Just because it is an electromechanical device, it is definitly not cruising into the Mallard era.
SSD in laptops will be niche and stay so for a very long time, (hopefully not too long for the wear levelling to cripple the available capacity:))
in denial
As cragi2 says, most people have only a few files on their laptop. 64/128GB SSD islready pretty affordable and prices of SSD are continuing to drop in line with moore's law if not faster. more sophisticated users who manage large music/photo/movie libraries are increasingly likely to move to NAS or server arrangements as they want to acces these from multiple devices nowadays
I am not by any means a compulsive gadget buyer but after finally justifying to myself the purchage of a SSD laptop, i would never go back to a hard disk one.
I reckon the cost of hard disks will make them viable for server based storage for another 10 years or so, but for laptops they are already on the way out.
....and in other rivers too.
Apart from the "do you need that much space?" thing, there's another rather more important point where SSDs have the win for mobile devices.
Regardless of the fancy G-shock detection cobblers on your rotating disk*, which one are you more likely to be able to get the data off when you drop the sodding thing on the floor?
*Fat lot of bloody good *that* did too.......
Why buy a small SSD?
..when Segate will sell you a hybrid Momentus XT for less? I have a 500GB/4GB notebook model right now and am hotly anticipating something like a 3TB/8GB desktop version in the not-too-distant. A hybrid is perfect for a single drive system.
What if...
Seagate is probably right in assuming that if current trends continue then SSD has a nearly impossible job of playing catch up with magnetic storage. And it's not as if magnetic storage is staying still, though investment in volatile magnetic storage may decrease.
However, will we continue to demand ever more storage of our portable devices? Music libraries probably max out at about 200GB but good synching means that most people are probably happy with a lot less on any single device as long as they have good access to the library. Video is, of course, what is driving demand for both capacity and mobility as the tablets become the PMPs we've always wanted and, thus, displace notebooks bought for this purpose. Even 64GB is going to look skimpy for a PMP when you take the kids on holiday. Do you hold out for more onboard storage or take 4TB disk-based library with you? Then, of course, there is network-based storage which is bound to become more popular as fast and affordable mobile networks become spread, though I suspect take up will be far from universal.
This may well mean that demand for notebooks slows or even decreases. Business users may start favouring speed over capacity (witness the popularity of the Macbook air in some circumstances). Reduced growth in demand and changing priorities will have a significant effect on the industry but the report is probably true to claim that the investment required to replace magnetic storage with SSD is too great for it to happen and additional SSD capacity will largely feed the demand for "other devices". It would take some kind of technological change which either greatly decreased the costs of SSD production (plastic chips) or another form of storage entirely comes along. In the meantime Seagate is probably right to pursue the Momentum strategy which promises the best of both worlds.
I've just replaced a nearly full 250GB, 5400 rpm drive with a 500GB, 7200rpm Momentum (4GB SSD and 32 MB cache) and performance is noticeably better even with the problems OS X 10.6 seems to have with concurrent drive access.
Fragmentation and cheap mlc v expensive slc
320GB on a laptop drive is fine and dandy but as data is spread across the drive it gets pretty clunky when you start to fill it past 250GB or so. Thus I suggest even more capacity is required, I cant wait for 500GB per platter.
On the business v home user front, I am a road warrior myself and I use loads of storage for business files as well as movies/tunes/pics for when I'm away from home. Granted, the IT dept are a stingy lot and they don't want to pay for large drives, but actual users want it. I read somewhere that it was becoming common for people to use there own tech at work (work would subsidise it) as consumer tech was becoming savvy enough for business use, and IT depts dont have to service it!)
On the SSD side, if you want all the benefits you really need SLC = expensive, and even less mfg capacty than Seagate suggested. MLC just doesnt cut the mustard and degrades in performance over time and usage.
I'm sorry,
did you just say you were a ROAD WARRIOR? :-D
How much of the HDD capacity increase is due to the fact that the *default* capacity available when you buy a new laptop keeps increasing, irrespective of whether customers actually need more space or not? What laptop comes with less than a 250GB HDD these days?
Then how much is due to the fact that very few people today have actually used a laptop with an SSD and therefore don't appreciate the difference? You only find SSD options in high-end business or premium laptops that the average consumer won't buy (or wont' even find at PCWorld & co). Once the technology starts being available in consumer laptops, customers will be able to compare the technology with the incumbent and make a choice.
When I swapped my laptop's HDD for an SSD, the increase in performance was like buying a new machine altogether. So as far as I'm concerned, my next laptop will have an SSD as I reckon the gain in performance is worth the additional expense. Of course, YMMV and if you mainly want capacity then go for an HDD option.
But I wanted a flying car!
What a load of rubbish. All this says is that because no one has a flying car, they would be more expensive than a regular car, then nobody wants them either.
If if is too expensive to create flash then why does it exist at all! It is all just smoke, shadows and disinformation.
The general public just buy what they are told to (mostly according to price) and at the moment they are told to buy hard disks because they are cheaper. Give it a couple of years and that might not be such a difference. So I hope they are planning the infrastructure to cope with that demand because whoever does will win. But then again maybe they think the cloud will be doing it all by then (not in the next 10 years unless connectivity dramatically improves overnight)
...a small SSD for the OS and apps (8gb is ample) and a small-ish HDD for swap and data (32gb is more than enough). Heck, this could probably be done in one combined unit.
Ultra-fast boot and response, room to store stuff without worrying about the NAND wearing out.
You can't run Windows in this config, but who wants that bloated turd on their netbook?
Momentus XT.
I went and did a bit of check up.
My conclusions on this is as follows:-
SSD failure rates are actually quite high, in a general sense around the middle mark for HD failure rates based on spindle drives (2.5%-7.5% return rate across a range).
SSD drives still have failure rates that happen in heavy write operations, no matter how they try to package the MTBF or the wear levelling.
One of the primary reasons I'd consider SSD is within the confines of a lower failure rate against HDs. My digging tends to indicate that failure rates on at least first and second gen drives are perhaps an achilles heel to this issue. If SSD failure rates are not better than HD, then part of the reason for their selection isn't panning out
Average user
While we all say "We don't need that much capacity" what we seam to be forgetting is we are not average users. The average users is terrible at knowing what they need in terms of computers. So, quad-core 8GB ram 500gb HDD...yeah I need that for FB and email.
I recently over heard someone talking about how their laptop had 4gb, so did their brothers but their dad only had 3gb and they where ribbing him for it....the fact that not one of them would ever get close to using that RAM with itunes and firefox doesn't matter, two of them laughed at the dad and he got annoyed.
Consumers will catch on eventually
I switched to SSD over a year ago, and I will not switch back. Flash might wear out on an extremely busy server, but on a desktop or laptop the massively improved performance does not show any signs fading. /proc/diskstats tells me I need to increase disk writes by a factor of a hundred before I should think about buying a spare SSD.
I am sure ignorance and FUD will keep magnetic disks in laptops for two or three more years. Many consumers have noticed that they do not need an 8 core 4GHz CPU to browse the web. Eventually they will spot that they are only using about 50GB of their 250GB disks, and that if they switch to SSD they get a much more responsive computer at the expense of capacity they would never use.
My magnetic discs are for a video server and for backups. If Seagate want to sell more magnetic disks, they should open an online shop so I can buy films for download.
Err didn't we go through all this with Kodak and film and digital camera's.
A digital camera will never be better than film :-)
The camera analogy is wrong. ssd will not replace hdd and isnt necessarily better tech.
Look at who wrote the report...
Most *good* SSDs are being built by established memory manufacturers/resellers. A typical SSD offering from an established disk vendor like Seagate or Western Digital is getting knocked about in performance terms by stuff from Crucial, G.Skil or OCZ. Until they dramatically shift in operational capacity, this sort of report from a long-time manufacturer of spinning disk tech sounds like it's more about calming the shareholders.
There's mileage in HDD tech yet, mind, but perhaps in devices that are not designed to be portable (desktops, servers, NAS etc) - for portable devices, there has already been a shift to solid-state of one form or another over the last decade (ask yourself how long ago did anyone fit an IBM 1" microdrive to their DSLR instead of CompactFlash - and then think how long ago CF was nudged aside in many devices for SD-RAM and then MicroSD).
If there is a choice of tech on SATA, PATA, etc, and they are all 'invisible' to the system once past the interface, then in most non-portable uses spinning-disk won't lose out until the price-per-GB differential reverses. Portable use brings it's own more pressing needs of power draw and durability - there is a definite price placed on these in most users' heads and so the point at which the cost of SSD becomes acceptable has much less to do with price-per-GB.
Self-serving denial
Lots of great comments so far so I won't repeat what's already been said.
Here's my unqualified assessment:
People's perception of reliability rather than the factual numbers will be more important. Laptop sales will probably peak in the next few years and the manufacturers are going to need a strategy to move them. It's very easy for a marketing department to make the argument that fewer moving parts = increased reliability. And the public will buy it.
As fas as manufacturing capacity, it's probably a non-issue. If there's a market for it, China will find a way to do it. Cheap.
For actual storage capacity, I concede that the trend has been more. However as others have already pointed out, this is again merely a marketing technique (moar is bettr!1!!). Most of the 'media packrats' I know personally actually prefer using external storage rather than putting everything on their laptop HD. Why? For one, there's the whole 'all your eggs in one basket' thing. Additionally it makes it a lot easier to supplement their bittorrent collection of music, movies and warez by swapping usb hard drives with friends without impacting their precious ratio on a private tracker.
China doesnt have magic production lines
"As fas as manufacturing capacity, it's probably a non-issue. If there's a market for it, China will find a way to do it. Cheap."
If you were talking about something simple to manufacture I would agree, but the fabs are prohibitively expensive, on this point I agree with Seagate.
Just booted the spinning Hard Disk out of my Netbook
60Gb is more than enough maybe even as low as 40Gb (an OS plus a good music collection on the move)
Instant response versus a slow spinning 5400rpm disk
Indestructable versus particularly fragile
Spinning thingy maybe in your main PC or that 1Tb USB Hard Drive you have for a rainy day
But I know which get's my vote for my lappy (and the C Drive in my PC)
It's no contest it has to be SSD
Erm, sorry
I already swapped out the 250gb drive in my netbook for a 120gb OCZ flash drive. Best decision ever.
Ummm I think you've all missed the point somewhat.
It doesn't matter that most of those harddrives are virtually empty, the point being made is that the manufacturing capacity of NAND is so far behind, and so expensive to build, that they will be selling big harddrives for years to come, and it doesn't matter that the harddrives are barely used (capacity wise).
Those hard drives will continue to grow as well, because in case you haven't noticed the same base drive platform is used across multiple drive interface boards. So 2.5" enterprise SAS drives are the same base drive as the SATA drive in laptops, just using a different interface card (a SAS one). So development of technology in 2.5" drive capacity will continue.
If you want to argue with them about it, you're going to have to find some pretty bloody good arguments to justify them spending vast amounts of money building the manufacturing capacity, for something that frankly doesn't provide them with any major benefit.
Those hard drives will continue to grow as well
But will they/
2TB drives have been on the market now for 18 months and bigger drives are yet to hit the market. Not even vapourware announcements are forthcoming.
I think that the reason for this is that PC's use a BIOS that uses Master Boot Record to boot disks and MBR is unable to address anything over 2TB. From what I've read this limit is a technical limitation that cannot easily be overcome. Apple uses EFI BIOS which doesn't suffer this limitation but they do not own enough of the market to justify the expense of designing, building and distributing said drives by Seagate et al.
If they did do so, they would probably also be inundated by returns and complaints from PC propeller heads who try and retrofit the 2TB drives to their uber PC's only to find that it doesn't work at all (or is limited to 2TB max)
I'm not sure where the likes of Seagate go from here. I've been watching hard drive capacities that are ever growing since I had my first 5Mb Full Height 5 1/4 Winchester on CP/M and I have never seen a pause in the release of ever bigger drives, until now.
I read on el reg a while back about this but I can't find the article now. It also mentioned that one of the manufacturers were mulling a 3GB drive that could only be used in an external USB enclosure to get around this problem.
They are in self-serving denial
Pretty simple, really. The average storage shipped with a laptop increases over time because the smallest laptop drive is always getting bigger, and the cost penalty from one platter one head to two platters four heads is pretty minimal, so its a cheap way for vendors to make the laptops seem better when naive consumers are comparing them against each other.
Most people don't come close to filling up their laptops. Corporate laptops mainly use data on corporate servers, without a need for lots of local storage. A 32GB drive is probably plenty for most of those, with hard drives offered by corporate IT on an exception basis only. 32GB is probably fine for most consumers as well....maybe a bit larger to capture 90-95% of the market. For the rest, who are mainly DV enthusiasts or download/rip lots of video, spinning media will remain the way to go.
I would anticipate in the next couple years some changes in the laptop market. SSD vendors will probably come up with a standardized small form factor SSD - probably about the size of a mini-PCI card. Then laptop vendors will ship the bulk of their models without space for an internal hard drive, only that small form factor SSD. I wouldn't be surprised to see built in CD/DVD players to be left out on more models than currently as well - USB attached ones are fine for occasional users and lead to a smaller/lighter laptop the rest of the time.
Higher end laptops would be available with a 2.5" SATA bay for old fashioned hard drives for those who need the extra storage - in addition to the SSD they'd boot from.
"The Growing StorageCapacity Demands of the LaptopPC Market"
What growing storage capacity demands of the laptopPC market?
Most laptops I come across have 80GB or more drives using less than 20GB. Sure, some folks want to use a laptop to edit home movies or whatever but this is not the majority of the market, not by a long shot.
For most people a laptop with a 40-64GB drive is more than adequate. Seagate needs to come to terms with the reality that the only thing keeping SSD's out of laptops right now is the price and that their only response to that is to keep dropping the prices of their own spinny disks down to keep ahead of the game.
They can only do that for so long of course.
And again the entire point of the Seagate statement is missed.
>>Seagate needs to come to terms with the reality that the only thing keeping SSD's out of laptops right now is the price and that their only response to that is to keep dropping the prices of their own spinny disks down to keep ahead of the game.
That and the small fact that there isn't enough NAND manufacturing capacity to meet the demand for storage.
It doesn't matter how much you'd all like there to be an unlimted supply of NAND to produce ever wonderful, if small SSDs to go into every laptop you ever come into contact with, there isn't an unlimited supply, and so you're all going to have to put up with Seagates (and other manufacturers) spinny disks for a few years to come yet.
price per gb will continue to fall on hdd
@ Goat Jam
"They can only do that for so long of course."
Actually incorrect, the price will continue to drop 'per GB' or in the future 'per TB'. The base cost will stay much the same but you will continue to get more storage for your money, and it will always be available in large qtys as the HDD mfg capability is vast.
SSD's however will suffer price hits due to market forces as supply is outstripped by demand. Everyone is saying SSDs will become cheaper, I think they will eventually hit a price barrier and probably rise!
"Many years to come" = up to, not necessarily including, next Christmas.
Personally I like to carry videos on my notebook, netbook, or tablet (and tablets are computers, so they count). But if my employer issues me a laptop, they won't take my personal use into account.
SSDs are now big enough to run PCs respectably, and that's what counts. They use less power and they aren't excessively expensive.
Much of users' data will still be stored on hard disks, but, as has been said, the hard disks will be in servers in the cloud.
As for large disks...... I recently was looking at this requirement, because my latest tablet-notebook (HP TouchSmart TM2-1010EA) has four MBR primary partitions supplied so I can't easily re-partition it. (I am planning, however, to install the HP diagnostic tools to an SD card and delete their disk partition - they're only about 10 MB and you can download 'em. Of course I will totally back up everything first.) GUID Partition Table instead of MBR allows disks larger than 2 TB, and EFI or UEFI allows booting from a GPT disk. Since the HP tool executables are EFI according to file name extension, I think everything that's needed is there, but since it involves entirely wiping the hard disk (maybe using Ubuntu or GParted Live), I am not going that way.
BIOS support WILL be replaced by UEFI, and if it isn't here in time for ridiculously large hard disks then surely they will simply make a disk that has two or more SATA ports and that untruthfully tells the computer that it is two physical hard disks instead of one big one. A "jumper" may be involved, as twentieth-century as that is.
talk is cheap, and is unused capacity
I've been known to buy a laptop with huge capacity, but not because I intended to use it. It was more a case of, "If I can step up from 320GB to 500GB for just $75 and spare myself the headache of switching drives later on, might as well; better safe than sorry."
2008 marks the year I bought my last internal hard drive. As the saying goes, once you've had flash...
so a couple of years for production to ramp up....
...providing no other disruptive technology arrives in the meantime.
Multiple read heads per platter (or platters working in sync like a raid array within one drive)... advances in materials science doubling the density, the addition of a de/compression chip... or something entirely different like switchable state ram.
Amazed that nobody has suggestion of HDs remain within more refined future hybrid drives, and no talk of context; factors such as price of bandwidth, success of the cloud; could render local portable storage solutions a moot discussion - or not, if 3d HD films (or some other format demanding loads of space) become de rigeur and laptops widely able to play them.
Had anyone got a "number of units" comparison which might provide a truer indication?
How many gigs does the average MP3 collection occupy? I've got about 48GB. I'm not going to carry all my ripped movies around on my laptop - can't see the point. Music I can see the point of though.
The biggest reason I can see for big HDDs in notebooks is that Win7+Office seems to need somewhat north of a bunch of gigs to install. But that's not much of an arg for a TB in a notebook.
I've never run out of space with a 160GB disk in my notebook, and that's a dual boot Win+Linux scheme.
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- State of the Art Fitness Center
- Free Hi-Speed Internet Access Included
- Sparkling Pool and Pet Park
- Washer and Dryer in Every Unit
- Stainless Steel Kitchen Appliances
- Online Rent Payments
- Landscaped Grounds and Plenty Parking
- Brand New Custom Kitchen Cabinets
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- Wireless Internet Access
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Apartments in Community: 80
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$300 Pet Fee. Please call for details, restrictions apply
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- Small Dogs Allowed
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- Eastside High School
- Idylwild Elementary School
- Kanapaha Middle School
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ELKHART COUNTY, Ind. An Elkhart County man and his two-year old son are safe tonight after the home they were in caught fire.
According to our reporting partners at the Elkhart Truth, the fire was contained to the garage and breezeway area of a home located in the 66000 block of SR 15 in Goshen.
Firefighters closed down a stretch of SR 15 between CR 40 and CR 42 while they fought the flames. Two family pets were also in the house at the time of the fire.
The family's dog escaped unharmed. A cat in the home was taken to the veterinarian to be treated for smoke inhalation.
The cause is under investigation.


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Archives - February 2012
Safety vests enhance safety for your employeesEmployers can make an economical safety investment by purchasing the NS® Hi-Vis Economy Safety Vest for their workers, while giving them the benefit of dependable safety supplies.
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Patch palm leather work gloves offer economical protectionProviding reliable safety products to protect employees' hands is important for companies across the country. Businesses can take advantage of the economical NS® Patch Palm Leather Work Gloves, …Read Full Article
Help reduce workplace hand injuries with premium rubber palm coated work glovesHandling rough objects without a secure grip can cause problems for workers. Ruf-flex® Premium Rubber Palm Coated Work Gloves from Northern Safety offer a solution. These rugged gloves …Read Full Article
Polyethylene shoe covers can limit wear and tear of shoes and bootsEmployees entering dirty, grimy areas often need protection for their clothing. NS® ActivGARD® Disposable Polyethylene Shoe Covers are an economical solution to protect workers' …Read Full Article
Foam ear plugs provide employees' high-quality hearing protectionHearing damage can occur when employees are subjected to loud workplace conditions. The NS® Soft Fit® Disposable Uncorded Foam Ear Plugs deliver top-of-the-line hearing protection to …Read Full Article
ISEA Executive Summit heading to TexasThe International Safety Equipment Association (ISEA) Executive Summit, regarded as the premier meeting for the safety products industry, will draw some of the top global suppliers of personal …Read Full Article
CDC warns of occupational exposure to deadly chemicalOn February 24, 2012, the Centers for Disease Control and Prevention (CDC) released a warning, stating that occupational exposure in the refinishing industry to products containing methylene chloride …Read Full Article
First shale-oil and shale-gas resource potential assessment released by USGSIn the first report of its kind, the U.S. Geological Survey has estimated the potential undiscovered, technically recoverable shale oil and gas found in the lands of Alaska's North Slope.
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NIOSH announces Safe-in-Sound Excellence winnersOn February 23, 2012, the National Institute for Occupational Safety and Health (NIOSH), working with the National Hearing Conservation Association, announced the winners of the 2012 Safe-in-Sound …Read Full Article
Keep employees hydrated throughout the workdayStaying hydrated can help keep workers in construction, manufacturing, and other industries productive. Northern Safety offers the Gatorade® 2 1/2 Gallon Instant Powder Mix Variety Pack to reduce …Read Full Article
Study shows nuclear fallout from Fukushima reached U.S.A new study, released by the U.S. Geological Survey (USGS), found that fallout from the 2011 Fukushima Dai-ichi nuclear plant in Japan resulted in trace amounts in precipitation in the U.S. in about …Read Full Article
Self-retracting lifeline offers durable, lightweight safety optionCompanies can provide a sense of freedom of movement for greater productivity while protecting employees with the 20' Contractor SRL Web Self-Retracting Lifeline from Northern Safety. …Read Full Article
DOE supports small business green projectsOn February 21, 2012, Energy Secretary Steven Chu announced that 142 small businesses from around the country have begun work on new research projects that will increase the use of green energy, such …Read Full Article
Final health assessment for tetrachloroethylene released by EPAThe Environmental Protection Agency (EPA) recently released the final health assessment for tetrachloroethylene (perc) to its Integrated Risk Information System (IRIS) database.
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Protect employees and pedestrians with plastic chainMany cities, towns, and businesses use stanchions to keep pedestrians safe as they walk near hazardous areas. Safety equipment like Plastic Chain for Crowd Control Stanchions helps to guide workers …Read Full Article
The right hard hat can reduce injuries in a variety of environmentsEmployers in construction, demolition, mining, and other industries face a challenge keeping employees safe in hazardous workplaces. Northern Safety provides the MSA V-Gard® Hard Hat with …Read Full Article
Protect workers providing CPR and biohazard cleanups with the right kitAccidents and injuries can occur at any time in a workplace, and employers can stay prepared with the First Aid Only™ Bloodborne Pathogen Personal Protection Kit with CPR Pack. This first aid …Read Full Article
High-visibility mesh safety vests keep employees safe and comfortableWorkers on busy roads and highways, construction sites, loading docks, and in any environment with moving heavy equipment or traffic need protection they can wear to stay safe and visible. The …Read Full Article
$1 million in pipeline safety grants to be awardedFrom mid-February until early March 2012, the U.S. Department of Transportation's Pipeline and Hazardous Materials Safety Administration (PHMSA) will be accepting applications for its Technical …Read Full Article
U.S.-Mexico agreement opens 1.5 million acres in Gulf for drillingA milestone agreement between the U.S. and Mexican governments will allow 1.5 million acres in the Gulf of Mexico to be opened for oil and gas extraction.
Interior Secretary Ken Salazar and …Read Full Article
Protect employees' hearing with NS® Soft Fit® Plus Disposable Uncorded Foam Ear PlugsHearing protection keeps employees safe from loud noises in the workplace or at the worksite, and superior protection comes in the form of products like the NS® Soft Fit® Plus Disposable …Read Full Article
Opened U.S. resources means oil and gas industry employment could riseDuring President Barack Obama's State of the Union address, he announced that "millions of new acres for oil and gas exploration" had been opened, and included a directive to his …Read Full Article
DOT proposes guidelines for automakers to curb driving distractionOn Thursday, February 16, 2012, U.S. Department of Transportation (DOT) Secretary Ray LaHood announced the first-ever federally proposed guidelines to urge car makers to design vehicles with the risk …Read Full Article
New budget to help EPA with environmental and human health protectionsOn February 13, 2012, the Obama Administration released a proposed budget of $8.344 billion for the U.S. Environmental Protection Agency (EPA), which will be used to continue to ensure environmental …Read Full Article
New York factories grow at swiftest pace since June 2010Manufacturers in New York expanded in February at the quickest speed since June 2010, indicating the industry is putting more Americans to work in factories, and manufacturing is continuing to lead …Read Full Article
New DOL budget includes millions of dollars devoted to worker health and safetyAlthough some items were financially cut, the budget proposal for fiscal year 2013 that was presented to Congress on February 13, 2012, includes millions of dollars to improve the health and safety …Read Full Article
Temporary enforcement measures in residential construction given extensionOn February 15, 2012, the Occupational Safety and Health Administration (OSHA) announced a six-month extension for its temporary enforcement measures in residential construction.
The measures have …Read Full Article
Avoid hydrogen sulfide exposure with an economical gas detectorTake a proactive approach to workplace safety with the fully serviceable Honeywell ToxiPro™ - H2S, a reusable gas detector that instantly alerts to the presence of hydrogen sulfide gas.
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DOT budget to be used for innovative transportation programsOn Monday, February 13, 2012, U.S. Transportation Secretary Ray LaHood announced that the U.S. Department of Transportation had been given a budget of $74 billion, which will be used to create the …Read Full Article
Chemical manufacturing companies make progress in voluntary toxic chemical reduction effortsThe U.S. Environmental Protection Agency (EPA) has released the interim results of a voluntary effort on the part of 8 chemical manufacturers to keep emissions and use of long-chain perfluorinated …Read Full Article
Northern Safety introduces optimal site search experienceNorthern Safety, a leading distributor of personal protective equipment and safety supplies, recently unveiled a new search system that will greatly enhance the way you browse, find, and select the …Read Full Article
Improve workplace hearing protectionIndustrial work environments often involve a variety of machines that create loud-volume noises throughout the day. Employers can offer safety products ideal for employees exposed to continuous or …Read Full Article
Driver's gloves offer flexibility and comfortDrivers face the challenge of staying safe as they operate trucks, tractors, and other types of heavy machinery. That's why Northern Safety offers NS® Premium Pigskin Grain Leather …Read Full Article
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Keep hands clean and safe with disposable nitrile glovesTake a proactive approach to maintaining workplace health and safety by providing FlexShield® 5 Mil Powder-Free 9.5" Disposable Nitrile Gloves that offer workers ideal hand protection in …Read Full Article
Cartridges help provide workplace safetyMany companies need respirators to ensure employee safety. The North® by Honeywell P100 particulate respirator cartridges provide excellent protection and are designed for use with …Read Full Article
New for 2012 - Bullard® Tritan™ VisorsNorthern Safety is excited to announce its 2012 line of Bullard® Tritan™ Clear Face Protection Visors to reduce face and eye-related injuries in workplaces across the country.
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Northern Safety gives you the Edge™ in 2012Northern Safety is excited to offer the durable and stylish line of Edge™ safety glasses in 2012. These comfortable, versatile eyeglasses come in two different styles, with a variety of lenses …Read Full Article
Keep employees' hands safe with brown jersey work glovesNorthern Safety offers a wide selection of safety products for a variety of industries, and NS® Premium Weight Brown Jersey Work Gloves give employers across the country a useful protective …Read Full Article
New lab safety guidelines released by CDC panelA panel of experts at the Centers for Disease Control and Prevention (CDC) has published guidelines for safe work practices in diagnostic laboratories.
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Railroad training standards rule proposed by FRAOn February 7, 2012, U.S. Transportation Secretary Ray LaHood announced a proposal to require railroads to train and qualify workers in occupations involving safety on existing federal railroad laws, …Read Full Article
U.S. Transportation Secretary promotes vision for high-speed rail in CaliforniaOn Wednesday, February 8, 2012, U.S. Transportation Secretary Ray LaHood visited Sacramento, California, to promote President Barack Obama's vision for a high-speed rail in the state.
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More construction, manufacturing job openings in DecemberOn February 7, 2012, the Bureau of Labor Statistics (BLS) announced there were 3.4 million job openings across the country in December, up from 3.1 million the previous month.
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DoD facilities recognized for using emission-reducing technologiesThe Environmental Protection Agency (EPA) has recognized two facilities of the Department of Defense (DoD) with the Energy Star Combined Heat and Power (CHP) award.
The honor was presented to the …Read Full Article
ANSI/ISEA 207-2011 safety vests meet FHWA requirements for work zonesHigh-visibility protective vests are required for right-of-way workers, flaggers, and adult crossing guards by standards in the Manual on Uniform Traffic Control Devices (MUTCD), which the Federal …Read Full Article
Breathe easy on the job with 3M 8271 disposable particulate respiratorsEnsure comfort and easier breathing with the 3M P95 disposable particulate respirator. Featuring the 3M Cool Flow™ Valve, this respiratory protection reduces heat and humidity build-up …Read Full Article
Maritime safety and health meeting held by OSHAOn February 22-23, 2012, in Washington, D.C. the Occupational Safety and Health Administration (OSHA) held a meeting of the Maritime Advisory Committee for Occupational Safety and Health …Read Full Article
Keep hands warm and comfortable with pigskin leather work glovesHand protection is important, as workers subject their hands to many types of rough conditions. That's why companies appreciate safety products like NS® Insulated Pigskin Leather Work Gloves with …Read Full Article
DHS releases Building and Infrastructure Protection SeriesThe Department of Homeland Security (DHS) has issued a series of pamphlets to aid in the design and construction of structures that can withstand unusually severe hazards.
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Football head injuries take spotlight as Super Bowl nearsAs the largest sporting event in America draws closer, it's a good time to bring the hard-hitting facts about head injuries to light - on the field and at a worksite.
Former Dallas Cowboys …Read Full Article
New videos from OSHA inform workers on proper respirator useThe Occupational Safety and Health Administration (OSHA) has posted a series of videos to help workers learn about respirators and how to properly use them.
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In many parts of Europe and Asia, mobile tickets and payments for transit are ubiquitous.
Portland startup Chirpify expanded its online commerce technology to Facebook. It offers a similar service on Twitter and Instagram.
Oregon City-based Domestic Drone Countermeasures plans to sell technology to the public that disables unmanned aircraft.
Portland startup Stublisher attempts to connect people through shared Instagram photos.
Eugene-based brain monitoring equipment maker Electrical Geodesics plans to go public on the London Stock Exchange.