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Ofcom: Parents, here's how to keep grubby tots from buying Smurfberries
Ofcom has posted video guides to turning off in-app purchasing on all the popular mobile platforms, but ads serving premium-rate numbers continue to proliferate uncontrolled. Users, and regulators - the OFT today launched a probe into whether kids were being pressured into buying in-game goodies - are getting wise to in-app …
Symptom or disease?
Whilst the people coming up with ways to hook children into accidentally/unknowingly clicking on ads are amongst the lowest of the low, and deserve to burn in hell along with lawyers and politicians, surely of equal/greater concern is the parent who gives their latest shiny to their two year old in an attempt to "pacify" them? Not to mention that even from the perspective of a two year old the iPhone/iPad must be completely simplistic and fairly boring - no tactile buttons, no smash-proof surfaces, and once covered in slobber won't even work properly...
Re: Symptom or disease?
You are obviously not a parent. Both my son and daughter like playing the odd game, such as Fireman Sam and Angry Birds. 'Symptom or disease' is a sweeping statement, used to describe the use as a pacifier is not correct in the slightest especially when you consider the limited time they may have with the device, such as the time it takes to queue up for a coffee in a shop while they wait at the table.
I always switch to airplane mode before they get the device, yet on occasions I find that the childrens 'game' has tried to access the Internet because somewhere along the line there has been an accidental press of the button.
It is down to parental supervision, but when ad companies target young children in such a way it is wrong. They are taken out of a safe area and an attempt has been made to serve them up ads on a web page and this is embedded in childrens games.
The developers know this without a doubt and could stop it but don't .A simple solution would be to ban in app purchases and diversions to web pages etc on all games and apps targeted at children. The apps could be marked in such a way that they comply with these standards.
The firs developers that do this will make a lot of money.
Re: Symptom or disease?
Lets look forward to alot less apps out there then.
Due to the total devaluation of the software market by Apple which has been compounded by people who don't even want to pay 69p for an app, the only ways left to make back any of the money put into apps is through getting ads and in app purchases.
It may seem like these people are the scum of the earth to you, but from where i am sitting it is businesses as usual and you have no-one but yourself to blame with the current freeloading view that society has.
Re: Symptom or disease?
My sister and her husband have been downloading the free Fisher Price baby apps for her iPhone for my niece who turned one in February and she loves them and they've also helped with her development, especially her hand eye co-ordination.
Paid for apps
Well I used to be happy to pay for apps, but that has changed. When you go into a shop, you get to look at what you want to buy to know if it is any good. Not so with "apps".
I bought a Spanish-English dictionary app. It seemed OK looking at the screen shots, and there were loads of comments that it was great. Except; in Spanish, nouns have gender. The dictionary failed to show this. Also it failed miserably as a dictionary, not actually having the meanings of words, and was more akin the list of words in a spell checker.
Fool me, I then went and bought another one, and found that it had similar problems and missed quite a few common words. Could I get my money back, no! Is it possible to see before you buy? No. Where was Apple's customer service? "So you did actually buy the app?" "In that case I'm sorry, but there is nothing I can do"
Result: No more paid-for apps on the ipod.
Not just kids...
Stuff the entire KID aspect of this. When is it acceptable or desirable, from a customer perspective, for a single press on an advert to phone a premium rate number?
I can't think of one LEGITIMATE use of such a thing, it is a scam, pure and simple, aimed at those either too young to read, or too digitally encumbered to retain control of their fingers.
They should be banned outright. No problem with an advert that leads to a webpage or redirects through to the AppStore to an application, but to dial a premium number is never acceptable.
Re: Paid for apps
Some apps (on Android and when I last looked) exist in a free demonstration edition that provides a limited service. If it looks good then you buy the fully functioning product. You also may look at users' reviews.
You also may be able to return an app for a refund immediately after purchase. Again when I last looked at Android apps, I think the time allowed was FIFTEEN MINUTES, which to me seems not really enough at all. I thought Apple was more generous, but still not more than a day? Still, as I say, you can try a demo version.
Re: Paid for apps
> Could I get my money back, no!
> Where was Apple's customer service?
It's in iTunes. Go to the "purchase history" page, find the problematic puchase, and "report a problem".
My experience, as an app developer, is that users do get refunds when they ask Apple for them.
Re: Not just kids...
Never, that's when it's acceptable for a single click on an advert to call a number, which explains why a confirmation dialog pops up instead of just dialling it.
You can try it yourself, scroll to the bottom of this page on a mobe, tap the 'Advertise with us' link then tap on the phone number.
Is that child safe? Nope, is it useful for adults? Yes.
Re: Symptom or disease?
I think less apps would be great as it stands 99.9% are absolute garbage and I cannot find the rest.
The people doing this are the scum of the earth.
People making the apps worth having make money (Presuming they can be found) if this sort of junk stopped then it is likely more worthwhile apps would be better known.)
Palm OS / Symbian enabled to do everything I wanted to do and because the barrier to entry was higher there was normally one or two apps to perform a certain task which made them easier to find.
Not 2 decent ones and 1000 crappy adware ones that barely work.
To be honest nearly everything I would use would likely still be made if it was totally unfeasable for commercial developers to make apps. (Look at Linux / Meego / Webos for example).
Parasites are never wanted.
@ LarsG Re: You are obviously not a parent.
Yes, because all parents have a smartphone for their two year olds. "Those of a differing opinion must not have children" is an equally sweeping statement, that you don't see the irony is of concern.
The term pacify is entirely appropriate for the concept of giving your phone to your kid to keep them quiet and occupied. The length of time involved doesn't affect the definition of the term.
I concur with the rest of your post though - the devs must be at least partially aware of the issue, the risk of loss of advertisers is (sadly) presumably enough of a deterrent to cause them to turn a blind eye - even the need to enter a password before making a transaction (something I imagine Apple could do at an OS level) would be enough to prevent unwanted purchases...
How Did We Survive
When I was that age you were lucky if you had a phone, TV was very rare and the radio was salvation.
We survived.
We could entertain ourselves by going shopping ... with ration coupons in hand.. Yes I did from about the age of 5, down to the corner shop, with list, I could touch, Money I could touch and ration coupons, I could touch.
Sorry but why would anyone give a tiny child several hundred pounds of cost (not necessarily worth) electronics to play with?
The term 'get a life' comes to mind.
The crap and otherwise useless mobile I was sent does operate without a SIM card as a kiddie plaything if you are that desperate. The Nokia Asha 300 phone is horribly useless with a SIM card so perhaps it is a toy.
Re: How Did We Survive
Money? Ration coupons? You were lucky! My parents used to give me a club and a send me out to kill my own food wearing nothing but a bearskin.
Re: How Did We Survive
In real terms a mobile phone costs less now than a radio did in the 1940s. What a feckless bunch you were back then letting kids listen to such an expensive piece of electronics.
The world (and technology) moves on. Learn to live with that.
Re: How Did We Survive
Bearskin, thy where lucky lad, my dad made us go out and kill out own bears with our teeth... etc.
Re: How Did We Survive
Teeth? Luxury! Why my dad knocked each and every one of my teeth out when I were six and used em in a slingshot to kill a rabbit! I used to have to gum things to death. Teeth...
Re: How Did We Survive
Club, you were lucky to have a club. We had to gnaw a branch off a tree with our teeth first.
Re: How Did We Survive
Hey, just because you had an awful childhood doesn't mean kids these days have to be miserable.
Guess what, me and my kids have a lot of fun playing games and using apps together. It keeps them occupied too sometimes, just like a book or counting license plates did 40 years ago, and some of the apps and games are educational.
Guess you have to be a bitter old man to see the problem, cause I sure dont!
Re: How Did We Survive
As a parent I live in a modern age. I have a reasonable job and dont have to worry about scrounging for scrap iron to get a shilling or two for the leccy meter. we dont have to duck behind the sofa when the granada TV man comes round for the telly rent either.
I used to go out on my bike and cycle along the canal for 20miles and back. I wouldnt think twice about going on roads. My kids are not so trusted and the traffic is a fecking nightmare these days. Times change you know? I bet you didnt have to go out tilling the land for your lord either or worry about tithing your chickens for the collector.
I bought the kids a cheap chinapad for £50 on ebay, does the job and no worries about costs. Unfortunately outside of jailbreaking there isnt an apple alternative to this (even second hand alternatives are expensive).
Whilst I am out with the kids and we are waiting for something (perhaps in a long queue or waiting to pick the OH up) I pass my phone to the kids to play on. I suppose when I was a kid I was told to shut up and keep quiet and stood there being bored.
Re: How Did We Survive
Money? Shop?
My daughter has to make her own shop (selling notebooks and puppies, and make her own notebooks), and she has to make her own paper money.
I'm riled by the lack of pragmatism from parents whose nippers have been caught by the in-app purchase trap. There are a number of things a parent can do to stop this from being possible - like having a decently hard to crack app store password, changing their password every so often, checking their account balance online to make sure no unauthorised activity is going on, or just doing the totally sensible thing of removing your credit card details from a device YOUR CHILD HAS ACCESS TO. I'm all for adding better controls to more granularly restrict certain activities, but you're ultimately undertaking a massive level of risk by giving a device to your child that's linked to your bank account. Wallets are not toys, why should phones be?
"It is down to parental supervision, but when ad companies target young children in such a way it is wrong."
From an ethical perspective I'd agree, but companies have been doing this for decades and the more integrated technology becomes with our lives the more creative extracting money from children's pockets will be, and the further ahead of regulators and authorities the ad boys will be.
Ultimately the price of security is convenience, and vice versa - choose your poison.
Read the article
Unless I got it completely wrong, some games show ads which, if clicked upon, will call a phone number running at jacked-up prices. Removing your credit card details or having a password on the App Store is useless to stop this from happening.
Re: Read the article
Sticking the phone in flight mode before allowing the anklebiter to play with it will prevent this.
Re: Read the article
sure as a savvy person that is what most of us would do. Not so for my mum (who we pointed towards the apple store knowing they are simple AND easy to use but can skype and receive emails). She hasnt a clue about adverts, rogue dialers and whatnot. She shouldnt need to either.
It's a culture thing..
The expectation that everything should be free on the internet means people expect games to be free. What pays the programmers wages? It's what's led to the "freemium" model.
Re: It's a culture thing..
That and the fact that hobbyist programmers are doing the same thing to app prices as hobbyist crafters have done to hand made goods prices.
Re: It's a culture thing..
IMHO it's more of a chicken-or-egg problem. The mere existence of these scamming 'free apps' puts pressure on honest developers to give their work for free, and the only way left for them to be paid for their work is either to go rogue, or at the very least to allow in-game ads, which in turn are often rogue themselves.
I think that the problem is the system itself. Premium numbers shouldn't be accessible without a security code and a signed written contract. And allowing phones to keep your credit card data and use it automatically whenever an app asks for it, is just suicidal.
The solutions would be a mix of legal and technical ones. Several examples follow:
-ISPs and telcos shouldn't allow the user access to premium services unless they have a copy of a written contract between the user and the owner of the premium service.*(note)
- Phones shouldn't allow any transaction involving the user's credit card number nor access to a premium service without asking for a password from the user, every time the phone tries to access one of these services or send the credit card's data.
- Payment to the premium services by the telcos and ISPs should be delayed until the user receives the invoice, plus one month for complaining/contesting it/whatever.
- ... (add your own)
I don't see these solutions being put in place any time soon, thanks to the usual issues: lobbying, pressure from the telcos on the phone makers and generalized ignorance amongst the public.
* Note: Yes, that alone would mean the disappearance of premium rate services. What's there not to like? :-)
Re: It's a culture thing..
actually an app such as "permission manager" on android would cure this entirely.
Re: It's a culture thing..
"-ISPs and telcos shouldn't allow the user access to premium services unless they have a copy of a written contract between the user and the owner of the premium service."
While I totally agree with you, this will never happen: can you see telcos cutting off a source of revenue like that?
Re: It's a culture thing..
Not really what led to the freemium model is people making crap games and expecting to make money from them and greed.
People did well enough selling a good game and then if it was a hit selling an expansion or two.
Other people made shareware if they were not well known and they did alright if it was good.
Now everyone wants to be paid in advance or force ad's down peoples throats.
You have a good idea and implement it well then you make money.
Too much junk around that doesn't even deserve to be released (Without a demo).
People don't like to be deceived (Well I don't anyway but people use Facebook so maybe people are ok about it).
I would rather have the internet of old where people just did stuff because they felt like it and there was less stuff that is plain wrong. (Or a really bad idea).
"The firs developers that do this will make a lot of money".
No, they wont. The price of the apps is so low as to be appealing. Very few apps make lots of money. The ingame purchases / adverts / generate that missing revenue directly for the developers.
Rock and a hard place.
Perhaps an age verificaction system may be more appropriate...
Personally, i detest any adverts or ingame purchasing. Its a slimy bastards trick......
Re: "The firs developers that do this will make a lot of money".
The problem is people don't want adds though also won't pay much more than a pound for a app, when was the last time you downloaded a app for £2/3?
Re: "The firs developers that do this will make a lot of money".
last week the humble bundle for £2.50 :-)
Co-pilot is the most expensive app I have, followed by an ordnance survey mapping program "memory map". SPB shell was a few pounds too.
Can you no longer cap your call balance?
I ask this seriously as I guess, like many people, my phone has so many minutes of bundled time to landline and other mobile numbers that it is to all intents and purposes unlimited.
However calls abroad and to premium numbers cost a fortune, but since I never let my kids play with my idevice (but the wife occasionally does hers) it makes me wonder if operators still offer the ability to cap outgoing call costs at £xx ?
Seems to me that that would be an ideal safety measure - cap your outgoing calls and turn off in-app purchases?
Though I do like the idea of turning the device into aeroplane mode prior to handing it over anyway.
Re: Can you no longer cap your call balance?
It was very rare to do it in the first place, most of the capped lines now are for secondary "teenager" contracts tied to the parent's contract. The only safe way to cap the line is to go with a top-up PAYG so once the money's run out its run out.
Re: Can you no longer cap your call balance?
Apparently "Capping" is (somehow) not as firm as you would think.
There is (or certainly used to be) a delay of up to a couple of days before the cap kicked in if you went over it.
This is what I like to think of as the mobile phone companies profit margin.
Of course, if you are on PAYG they can instantly detect how much you have used and stop outgoing calls straight away...
Re: Can you no longer cap your call balance?
My phone contract came with a £50 cap on monthly bills, didn't ask for it, but I like it! I guess they figure with the amount of free minutes and unlimited data there is no real need for more...
I got contacted by them when I went close one month (I knew what I had spent though)
I think all phone contracts should have a monthly cap, and they should ASK you at the time of taking your contract out what you want it to be..
Re: Can you no longer cap your call balance?
3 do offer a zero cap as I found out this morning. My wife (who is not very tech savvy) has just started an Open University course and when she logged in yesterday a pop up appeared which seemed to come from the OU asking her to complete a short survey about her access to the OU web site. The small print did mention that it was nothing to do with the OU however but failed to mention that putting in your phone number in the survey would sign you up to TextPlayWin which gives you the fantastic chance to win an iPhone or iPad every week for ONLY £4.50 per week. She very quickly realised she had fcuked up and so I had to try and stop it this morning. The phone company said as we had signed up for it they could not cancel it (surely they should be able to stop things being added to your bill!) but they did offer to sign me up to their zero cap feature. You can only enable this once though as I wanted to enable it for a few weeks and then take it off just so that TextPlayWin cannot bombard me with another 10 expensive texts along with a message saying it will take a week to cancel their service (which happened to a friend of mine who got signed up to a similar scam).
Re: Can you no longer cap your call balance?
I received this "you've won an iPad competition" in-app advert over the weekend (I was playing one of the free angry birds games we've downloaded to an iPad for my 7 year old son).
The worrying thing was that it only required you to enter a mobile phone number to sign up to a expensive subscription service - the advertiser had effectively made the iOS in-app purchase bar and absence of payment card details an irrelevance, they will still get paid until such time as you are able to get the subscription cancelled. My children know our mobile phone numbers and they like to win competitions ...
If I was a) stupid enough to buy an iThing and b) stupid enough to give it to a child who accessed this dross, I'd say "Get the money from my two year old. If he doesn't pay, take him to court."
You don't have small kids do you?
My 14 month old can unlock an iOS device (as long as there's no PIN), find the folder with her apps in it and launch them. She also knows how to quit out of an app to launch a new one. Trust me, kids are fascinated with touch screen phones/tablets.
Re: You don't have small kids do you?
My 7 year old beat Minecraft and installs mods. Children are naturally clever as they are reality's QA department. And they never tire out, but their attention spans are ludicrously short unless they're doing something you want them to stop doing.
Passing your kid your phone has a tremendous amount of convenience, and they might as well learn technology as early as possible. Life as a kid isn't like it was thirty years ago. Life as a parent isn't either. Most mothers are full-time workers so either parent is usually getting home stuff done when they're not at their job. There's less errand downtime, even more things to do, more things to keep track of, and you drag your kids everywhere with you because you moved to wherever you could find a job, which means the kids' grandparents and other family can't just watch them for you. You're on the run, you're keeping track of Reality's Hyperproductive QA and Drooling Machine, you've only got so many arms, you don't want to lug ten gadgets and toys and stuffed animals with you. Let's be serious, if you don't pass the kid your phone it's because you've already gotten the tyke a tablet.
I remember when the NES was going to be what made society fall apart. We're still ticking...
Follow the money?
Whatever provider you use is quite happy to take the money off you, which seems to be the weakness of the "premium rate" system. It's not necessarily taking your card details, it may just be raiding your account or nabbing the PAYG credit. For some reason is they're quite happy to keep doing this, so they'll make you jump through hoops to try to get your money back. As used by scammers for a long time.
The solution would be an opt-in approach, but this would of course affect the revenue flow, so it 'aint going to happen in a hurry is it?
Re: The obvious solution
Was I the only person who read the articles about how the "social game networks" are actually funded by essentially con men, spammers and rip off merchants ?
This is the same ecosystem that is moving to FTP apps on your mobile phones.
Re: The obvious solution
Exactly casaloco. Its a crooked industry and I can't think of a single honest reason why OFCOM resists making premium rate calls an opt-in for all telecom services.
Re: The obvious solution
50%? More like five sigma. Finding an honest premium rate service would be like finding dark matter with a miner's lamp.
There is simply no honest use for them.
OMG really?
Maybe I should stop bitching about the Android permissions, then.
I want the ability to personally grant or revoke the requested permissions for apps (e.g. permanently revoke location for the facebook app but allow others it wants).
But at least Android _has_ those permissions and you can choose not to install when it displays what the app wants.
Amazed ios can't (won't) do that
Re: OMG really?
I'm with you on that, I want to be able to revoke permissions, or even install apps while denying certain permissions!!
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- MatthewDavid Sep 29, 2007 07:24 AM
Hiya Hounds!
I am moving to Pennsylvania in November. Any suggestions for chow along the way?
I would prefer:
--No chains (although local chains are ok).
--Food I can take in the car with me (to go).
--Places not too far off the roads I will be taking.
My Mapquest directions are below if you want to see what highways I will be taking.
--I-459 N toward ATLANTA / GADSDEN. [9.1 miles]
--I-59 N via EXIT 33B toward GADSDEN (Crossing into GEORGIA). [123.5 miles]
--I-24 E toward CHATTANOOGA (Crossing into TENNESSEE). [17.4 miles]
--I-75 N via EXIT 185B on the LEFT toward KNOXVILLE. [100.3 miles]
--I-40 E toward KNOXVILLE. [36.5 miles]
--I-81 N via EXIT 421 on the LEFT toward BRISTOL (Crossing into VIRGINIA). [391.5 miles]
--Take the VA-7 E exit- EXIT 315- toward BERRYVILLE. [0.2 miles]
--LEFT onto VA-7 E / BERRYVILLE PIKE. [8.5 miles]
--Take the US-340 S / US-340 N ramp toward CHARLES TOWN / BERRYVILLE. [0.2 miles]
--Take the US-340 ramp. [0.1 miles]
--LEFT onto US-340 N / N BUCKMARSH ST. Continue to follow US-340 N (Crossing into WEST VIRGINIA). [12.8 miles]
--US-340 N toward HARPERS FERRY (Passing through VIRGINIA- then crossing into MARYLAND). [23.6 miles]
--I-70 E via EXIT 10 toward BALTIMORE / I-270 S / WASHINGTON. [39.1 miles]
--I-695 N / BALTIMORE BELTWAY INNER LOOP via EXIT 91B toward I-95 N / NEW YORK / TOWSON. [12.1 miles]
--I-83 N via EXIT 24 toward TIMONIUM / YORK PA. [1.4 miles]
--I-83 N via the ramp on the LEFT toward YORK (Crossing into PENNSYLVANIA). [71.6 miles]
--I-81 S / US-322 W via EXIT 51A on the LEFT toward CARLISLE / LEWISTOWN. [2.4 miles]
--US-22 W / US-322 W via EXIT 67 toward LEWISTOWN. [13.2 miles]
--US-15 N toward SELINSGROVE. [68.6 miles]
they have you taking a very pretty route (81 thru 340).
i'm actually from philly but looks like you are not heading this way. but DC / bmore were my old stomping grounds...
--I-695 N / BALTIMORE BELTWAY INNER LOOP via EXIT 91B toward I-95 N / NEW YORK / TOWSON. [12.1 miles]
--I-83 N via EXIT 24 toward TIMONIUM / YORK PA. [1.4 miles]
..........a couple places around here for good crabs and seafood - i love CJs in reisterstown (not far off 695 - route 140 exit) and crackpot in the towson area (loch raven blvd exit i think?). they're both dive places where road trip clothes would suit fine.
leesburg va also has some cute options - very historic area - check to see if you are passing anywhere near there, it is worth a longer stopover. i have been too far removed from the area to comment specifically on any one place (can't remember names!) but query the DC board for leesburg to see what may come up.
sorry, those are all MD recs. i don't know central PA that well.
re: rabidog
Driving home from DC almost two years ago, my wife and I stopped at the Charred Rib in Timonium (12 Ridgely Rd.) and had very good sandwiches at lunch. Sorry, can't comment on the ribs. Just thought I would suggest an alternative to sea food in that area.
Moving to Williamsport by any chance? I am! I'm afraid it will be a culinary wasteland, though perhaps tempered by the nearness of State College. There is a brewpub called the Bullfrog that appeared decent and was packed on a Sunday afternoon (we didn't have the time to wait for a table). There is supposedly a Thai place (name escapes me) but I haven't tried it yet. There's also a Caribbean place, Island Beginnings. Avoid "The Lodge," attached to the Lycoming Econolodge. It serves mediocre pub grub at a glacial and disorganized pace. Oddly, there appears to be virtually NOWHERE to have breakfast out except Dunkin Donuts, McDonald's and Denny's. Of course that pretty much means there's nowhere to go out for brekkie, but maybe some diner owner will see this post and jump at the chance.
re: neighbor
Hey neighbor...we actually will be neighbors! I am indeed moving to Williamsport, although when my wife moves up we will probably relocate to Lock Haven since she will work in State College. I think I saw a chow post for breakfast at a place called Country Cupboard in Lewisburg? My wife loves breakfast as well, so hopefully something will open in Williamsport. I think the Peter Herdic House might do a brunch?
I'm a Williamsport native and still have family there, so I go there 6-7 times a year. I probably shouldn't even be posting here, since I'm a fairly picky eater, but I can recommend a few places either from personal experience (PE) or word-of-mouth (WOM):
It's pretty much true, as far as I know, that there aren't many places to get a decent breakfast in town. I used to have a few favorites which are now gone. My current favorite is Mom's (PE), a homey place on West Third Street, which serves wonderfully crisp baked bacon and low-priced specials. One caveat: while there is a small non-smoking section, the place can still get pretty smoky, especially if you're at/near the counter. There's also a place called Donna's (PE) (either on High St. or Park Ave.--I forget) which serves good pancakes but most people I know won't go there, because it seems unclean to them and in a bad neighborhood. If you go to Jersey Shore (between Williamsport & State College), The Crest (PE) on Allegheny St. serves a good breakfast.
Otherwise...there's Perkins and Denny's and nothing else that I know of.
My favorite restaurant in the area is The Bridge Tavern (PE), at the South Williamsport side of the Market St. bridge. The original owners are gone, but new owners/management have kept a lot of the original menu items. They have good burgers, a good chicken sandwich, decent steaks, and the best breaded mushrooms I've ever had.
If you want a cheesesteak or hoagie (usually called subs in Wmspt.), go to Joey's Place (PE/WOM) on Washington Boulevard. Their "ho-made" fries can be nice and crispy, or underdone and greasy. People also like their pizzas, especially the white pizza. There are a lot of neighborhood sub shops in the area and people have their own favorites. The stromboli at Two Boys (WOM) is a particular favorite. Alas, what many considered the best and perhaps the "original" sub shop in the area, Cellini's in Montoursville, is currently closed and may not re-open.
If you're willing to risk going into what's generally considered a "bad" neigborhood, check out The Shamrock (PE) on West Fourth St. They have excellent burgers and the best gravy fries I've ever had. I recommend eating in the big, old bar room rather than the attached sub shop, but either is fine.
The Bullfrog Brewery (PE/WOM) is well-liked--good burgers and good handcut fries, among other things. Not to mention the beer selection.
For Italian-American food, my recommendation would be The Triangle Tavern (PE) where Washington Blvd. and Third St. meet. Some people love the sauce, some don't. The homemade desserts are very good. And the Casales are great hosts. Unfortunately, the other well-liked Italian place, Tag's, closed a couple of years ago. Some people like The Villa (WOM).
For upscale dining, the best places are generally considered to be the Peter Herdic House (PE/WOM), Penn College's Le Jeune Chef (WOM), and the Old Corner downtown (WOM). The Old Corner just looks like an old neighborhood bar, but the North Carolina Shakespeare Festival voted it the best meal on their fall tour about 12 years ago. Supposedly the quality has remained high. Franco's (PE/WOM) also has its adherents and is a great (if narrow!) bar.
To me, though, the culinary highlights of Williamsport (besides subs) are to be found in an out-of-the-way place and at restricted times. I speak first of Eder's ice cream (PE), which is about, I dunno, 6 or so miles northeast of Williamsport, off Route 87. The ice cream is handmade right there and you can't go wrong with any flavor, some of which are unique. My favorites are teaberry and dark chocolate. Secondly, perhaps the best french fries I've ever had are handmade at the Newberry Lions truck, which can be found at Lycoming College football games and the annual "Homemade Days" in Brandon Park. (They also show up at other events, but those two are the regular ones I know of.)
Anyway, good luck in your move. Feel free to e-mail me at email@example.com if you have any questions about the area (not that I can answer all of them!).
P.S. I see you mentioned the Country Cupboard--I've only eaten there once, and it wasn't for breakfast, but I didn't think it was very good. There used to be a good drive-in in Lewisburg called The Fence, which specalized in a fish sandwich--dunno if it's still there. I haven't eaten in Lock Haven since I was a kid, so I don't know about anything there. Nearby Jersey Shore has The Crest, which I've mentioned, and the Gamble Farm Inn, which some people love but which I thought was so-so. I like Santino's, which has a main restaurant in Jersey Shore and a small one in South Williamsport--they serve subs on unusual, delicious flat bread and the Jersey Shore one (dunno abt. Southside) makes a mean chicken marsala. One of my best friends runs the Jersey Shore Elks, and they have a monthly all-you-can-eat Sunday breakfast which is basic but good--and cheap. Oh, and I forgot to mention Sunday brunch at the Genetti Hotel, which may have gone slightly downhill (I was there three weeks ago and there was no roast beef) but is still pretty good and a good value.
P.P.S. If you have time (or just want dessert), one place right on your route is the Red Rabbit drive-in on 22/322 just before you get onto 15 North. It's an old-school drive in where you order in your car and get your meal there. The food is nothing great--it's the experience. And they are **very** slow, unless you just want ice cream.
If you get desperate approaching Williamsport, there are lots of chains on the Selinsgrove strip.
re: brian14leonard
Next to the Red Rabbit on 22/322 is Micheal's Cafe, www.michealscafe.com. Micheal's has terrific food, which wouldn't be obvious given the location.
re: profjmm
I've never tried Micheal's, but next time I drive by and want a meal, I'll definitely stop. Thanks for the tip!
re: brian14leonard
I second Michael's. Quite good, esp given the location. have not been to dinner tho
Wmspt. is NOT a "culinary wasteland" as another poster commented. You certainly won't find foie gras or artisanal cheeses but they have some of the best italian american and PA dutch food offered in the NE. I was born and raised there but moved away to Charlotte NC 11 years ago. I miss the history, architecture and the food. Beautiful bakeries (Joanna's on Market St. & Rosencran's in Loyalsock), amazing pizza w/ that lovely NY chewy crust (Joe's or Park Pizza). Hoagies on beautiful hoagie rolls w/ homemade canned italian peppers that one can only find in Wmspt. Steer clear of The Triangle... it's dreadful Italian food (and i'm good friend of the family). Better yet is Franco's. They have great live music, good crafted beers, etc. Upscale restaurants I would suggest are Pazzo's downtown and 33 East. The owners of 33 East also own The Old Corner which is a great place to grab a bite and meet friends for drinks. The Valley Inn has the best wings you'll ever find. Get your hoagies at Ed's Market on Franklin St. or at Newberry Sub Shop on Newberry St. Sadly, a great diner breakfast is becoming harder to find there. The Busy Bee had the best breakfast in town, but it recently closed after many, many years in business. Heller's out Lycoming Creek Rd has a decent breakfast and while you're out there, check out Maseto's which has an amazing variety of sandwiches. Tony's Deli onWashington Blvd. is an old Italian deli and butcher and they have, hands down, the best prepared salads. Highly recommended are their ham spread, macaroni salad, pickled eggs, house made breakfast sausage and ham loaf. My family must bring these items down to me in NC when them come to visit!
The poster who suggested Eder's ice cream was dead on! They're chocolate chip is unlike any you've ever eaten. I don't really care for choco. chip but there's is heavenly. Rather than chips, it's finely shaved chocolate mixed into hand made vanilla. Whoa.
Okay, I just can't write anymore. I'm totally homesick now. I'll always miss the food back home. I've eaten at the finest restaurants in nyc, san francisco, etc. but the simple food you'll find in wmspt is perfection.
Best of luck to you (oh, and you're only 3 hrs from NYC, DC & Philly)!!!
re: lynnlato
You mentioned the Busy Bee. My father grew up in Williamsport (1938-) and treated me to his love of Baked Hamburgers here. I've searched high and low for a recipe for these things and as anyone who knows, one bite and you are in for 3 or more. The only clue we've gotten is that is was possibly greek in origin as the owners supposedly were greek. It was as sad day to hear they had closed....
Would anyone be able to help with an update to this thread? I am going to Muncy and there is a group of 15 of us looking to go to dinner Saturday night, May 9. DiSalvos was the first choice, but they can only accomodate 8 people, due to Lycoming's graduation.
Our group will include a 3 year old, an infant, and the rest are adults. We do not need to go to Williamsport - but don't really want to drive too far. We have ruled out Orlandos - since we have been there recently. The restaurant does not need to be Italian. Any suggestions for a good pinch hitter? Thanks in advance!
re: BSpill
Sorry I missed this, hope you found something good. I like Jasmine for Thai, Johnsons in Montoursville for general American (and a good Cheesesteak), and Long Island Pizza for pizza and cheesecake. No good chinese that I have found, Orlando's is probably the best Italian, and Mexican is only decent at Abrana Marie's and Ozzie and Mae's. I would suggest Smiley's as a great dive, but they do not seat 15.


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Education is the best antidote for violence, intolerance and inequality, President Pranab Mukherjee said here on Wednesday.
After laying foundation stone for two separate hostels of tribal students in one of the worst naxal-hit districts of Chhattisgarh, he said faith in humanity must be restored in the minds of youths so that the country can find its rightful place in the world.
"Education-embedded in values of peace, tolerance and humanity, which is at the same time relevant to society and the economy-is the best antidote for violence, intolerance and inequality.
"The time to act, my young friends, is now. Do not miss opportunities which come your way," he said in his address after visiting the Ramakrishna Ashram here.
Mr. Mukherjee urged the youths to work for development of the society.
"The country is growing. Today we don't get doctors in villages. We have hospitals and buildings there. But they do not want to go there. 70 per cent of our population lives in village. There are over six lakh villages. Unless the feeling to work for the society or the country doesn't come from within, nobody will like to go there," he said.
Mr. Mukherjee reminisced as to how he earned a post graduate degree by paying Rs 268 as total fee for a two-year course in Kolkata.
"Today people are becoming IIT engineers, IIM graduates.
They do not want to work in villages. I feel the government should collect taxes and develop more institutes like IITs and IIMs so that people can acquire required skills," he said in his address in Hindi amid clapping from the audience which comprised a number of tribals.
The president appreciated the exemplary services being rendered by the 'ashram' for the socio-economic development of the people of Abujhmarh —— home to particularly vulnerable tribal groups.
Mr. Mukherjee, who is on a two-day visit to the state, also took part in the 150th birth anniversary celebrations of Swami Vivekananda.
He said Vivekananda believed that in order to improve economic condition of marginalised people, it was necessary to teach them advanced methods of agriculture and village industries.
Mr. Mukherjee also laid the foundation stone for the ashram's industrial training institute here.
The ashram, surrounded by thick forests of Abujhmarh, focuses on empowerment of the people through residential schools. It runs hospitals, health camps, manages Anganwadi centres, and runs vocational training centres.
The president urged the youths to learn from the ideals of Swamiji and equip themselves in every possible way to contribute to the development of the country.
"It is good to be important. But, it is better to be good," he concluded and asked people to work for the society.
He interacted with young children of this tribal area and expressed happiness to know that they want to become doctors and engineers.
Heavy security arrangements were made for Mr. Mukherjee, who flown in a chopper for about an hour from state capital Raipur to visit the Naxal-hit district of Narayanpur.
Hundreds of young students were present during the function. The president was presented bouquets by young children amid chanting of religious songs.
Chief Minister Raman Singh announced creation of an annual fund of Rs 5 crore to supplement asharam's efforts for the all-round development of youths.


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Watch: Trailers for 'Black Sails' and 'Hemlock Grove,' New TV Shows from Michael Bay and Eli Roth
Back in the days directors wanted nothing to do with TV shows. Making movies was like being in the popular group when it came to film back in the day. Moving to TV shows after making movies was just disappointing Its like waking up in the morning with a big zit! Well let me tell you viewers that things aren't the same anymore. Below you will find two new trailers. They are both big upcoming television projects with some big time filmmakers involved. The first trailer is Eli Roth's supernatural series Hemlock Grove. The second trailer will be Michael Bay's Black Sail.
Eli Roth is best known for creating the term "torture porn" in his Hostel films. He is taking Brian McGreerey's novel with the same name as the series. The series will go up on Netflix on April 19th of this year. Reviews so far have been mixed but you'll get to see for yourself this Friday when it premiers on Netflix. Take a look at the trailer and let us know what you think.
If you would rather fun adventures over just a walk in the park, you might be interested in the trailer below. This trailer belongs to the series Black Sails. Michael Bay has been chosen to be the producer of this pirate drama that will be airing on Starz. This series has sex, violence, looting, gore, and all sorts of piratey doings. Sorry to tell you sailor fans that you will unfortunately have to wait until 2014 for the shows official debut. Check the trailer out and don't forget to leave some thoughts!


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my mother was a milano. she came from a big family. her parents came from italy in early 1900's. her father had bros. and sis. who also came over. they settled in ohio and pa.
james milano my grandfather came to calif. if any of this is helpful let me know.
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"The figurine depicts a lion," says Professor Nicholas Conrad from Tübingen University's Institute of Prehistory and Medieval Archaeology, and the Senckenberg Centre for Human Evolution and Palaeoenvironment Tübingen. "It is one of the most famous Ice Age works of art, and until now, we thought it was a relief, unique among these finds dating to the dawn of figurative art. The reconstructed figurine clearly is a three dimensional sculpture."
The newly discovered fragment of the figurine was unearthed when today's archaeologists revisited the work of the archaeologists back in the 1930s. "We have been carrying out renewed excavations and analysis at Vogelherd Cave for nearly ten years," says Conard. "The site has yielded a wealth of objects that illuminate the development of early symbolic artifacts dating to the period when modern humans arrived in Europe and displaced the indigenous Neanderthals." He says that the Vogelherd Cave has provided evidence of the world's earliest art and music and is vital in the effort to make the caves of Swabian Jura a UNESCO World Heritage site.
Vogelherd is one of four caves located in the region where the world's earliest figurines have been unearthed, dating back 40,000 years ago. Dozens of figurines have been discovered the Vogelherd Cave alone, and researchers are piecing together thousands of mammoth ivory fragments.
The lion figurine can be viewed at the University Museum in Hohentübingen Castle, Wed-Sun, 10am-5pm and Thursdays 10am-7pm.
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Your probably after the ADM templates which you can grab from here http://www.microsoft.com/downloads/d...DisplayLang=en once you have those installed you should be able to add them for use in each policy by right clicking on Administrative Templates in the group policy editor (not sure how under GPMC)and clicking the add/load/open link then select the IE7 adm file it should be in the default directory for ADM files which will be where the load box is pointing to to start with (the INF folder).
If this does not have the settings that you are after you could make a custom ADM template. Just unset the setting that you want then run regmon ( http://www.microsoft.com/technet/sys...on/Regmon.mspx ) (free from sysinternals/microsoft) while you tick that setting again and hit OK. That will tell you where the setting is in the registry then you can make a custom adm template like this http://www.microsoft.com/technet/pro...tgp.mspx#ESNAC


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Referring to broadinstitute.org/gatk/guide/article?id=3060, is removing duplicates necessary to be done twice, once per-lane and then per-sample?
Is it not enough to just mark the duplicates in the final BAM file with all the lanes merged, which should remove both optical and PCR duplicates (I am using Picard MarkDuplicates.jar)? So specifically, in the link above what is wrong with generating -
Then, merging them to get
and finally, include "de-dupping" only for the merged BAM file.
quality score recalibration, which is a per-lane step, will be affected by duplicates if we do not perform duplication marking during per-lane pre-processing
That's correct. You could of course skip the per-lane processing entirely and mark duplicates, realignment and recalibration all per-sample, which is possible but computationally very costly if you have several lanes per sample. That's why we recommend doing the per-lane processing for sure, then optionally doing some per-sample processing.


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We first meet up with Laura and Paul back in June at the lovely Sella Park Country House Cumbria to have a good chat through all their plans for the day. Although Paul is originally from Whitehaven and Laura is from our old neck of the woods in Kent, they now live and work out of Shanghai. We all joked on the day that we'd best be ready for any weather, even though the big day was in August, little did we know at the time how true that was!
It wasn't the worst day I have ever seen up here in August but it felt like it was October, however, Laura was completely unperturbed by the whole thing which was just amazing. It really set the tone for the whole day; relaxing, calm and above all fun. Family and friends spent days setting up the venue and the subtle mix of east meets west decorations brought Laura and Paul's style and personalities out perfectly.
The marriage service was held at Paul's local church, St Begh's Priory in Whitehaven and it was a very personal and beautiful service as Farther Matthew Carney had known the family for so long. We then jumped back on the amazing vintage bus from Cumbria Classic Coaches to start the party and as they weren't going to be put off by the weather; they even set-up the outdoor games, indoors!
It was a pleasure to capture your day.
P.S sorry for the huge amount of images I couldn't help myself!
It was a pleasure to capture your day.
P.S sorry for the huge amount of images I couldn't help myself!
We spent a lovely morning with Roma and Jim at the beautiful Rampsbeck Hotel Ullswater earlier this year. It was really special to see Roma and Jim's children play such important parts in the day; Roma's daughter being a bridesmaid and Jim's two sons sharing the very important job of presenting the rings!!
Roma and Jim are massive fans of the Lake District, visiting as often as they can. Knowing the place so well they came prepared, in June, for it to rain! and of course it did. This was never going to spoil the day, in fact it positively added to the fun, we all donned wellies and romped off through the stunning Rampsbeck gardens, down one rather precarious and slippery bank to the shores of Ullswater for a few shots before the heavens opened again.
It was a pleasure to spend time with their close family and friends and capture all the fun.
So it isn't every day that you shoot a wedding in former Yugoslavian President Tito's summer residence!
Anneli and Sam planned the most amazing day in Split, Croatia back in May. From the very first meeting we just knew it was going to be epic and they certainly didn't disappoint. The Villa Dalmacija is nestled on the cliffs just down the cost from the main town and harbour. Secluded and with it's own private beach it makes an amazing venue for a wedding.
This was such a great weekend we had to split it into 2 blogs to do it justice, part 1 is the film trailer, part 2 will be the photographs as soon as we can decide which ones to shows!
enjoy part 1, skaal,
For all you planning a wedding, or if you just love fashion! check out Anneli's fantastic blog whatibroughttoday.com. She has been blogging on all aspects of her preparations leading up to the big day, hair, make-up, her beauty regime, but the dress was a one off design by Anneli sorry. Even we now know what Jimmy Choo is all about!! A big thank you to all her followers for the kind words.
A must for anyone looking to plan a destination wedding in Croatia weddingsinsplit.com. Maja and her team were invaluable on the day, thanks so much.
We took a team out to Croatia as were filming and photographing the weekend, big thanks to Adam at lake-district-wedding-photography for seconding shooting and risking life and camera stuck out on a rock in the middle of the sea for the ceremony!
Yvonne and Anthony were married at the beautiful Heather Glen Country House in Cumbria. The Heather Glen Country House. It was a beautiful February day, and we were lucky enough to have good weather despite being early in the year (In fact I think we may have peaked too soon…the sun has now disappeared!)
As you would expect, it was an emotional day for all involved, but Yvonne was as calm and serene as we have ever seen a bride. Right from bridal preparations through to the amazing party that evening she embraced her special day and so did Anthony. The dance floor was full from the first dance until late, not surprising as it was The Band Room 101 who were performing. Despite being an unashamed Britney Spears fan, Yvonne liked our musical choices, which is good as we just couldn't bring ourselves to 'Britney' the final edit! Sorry Yvonne!
Now we all know that in the Lake District it rains, a lot, but on Sarah & John's special day at The Inn On The Lake Ullswater it really rained, and was blowing a gale the whole day. In fact it was so bad we actually had a 4 hour power cut just as the ceremony ended, tress knocked most of the power out to the Glenridding area. I have to mention the amazing lengths that the team at the Inn On The Lake went to; within minutes the place was flooded with candles and they somehow still managed to keep the whole day on time, I think some guests thought it was just part of the wedding! Such an unfortunate mishap on your special day could send even the most lighthearted bride into panic however Sarah, was as cool and calm as you could be, even losing the ribbon to her dress earlier in the day couldn't dampen her excitement. Sarah, John and their dog Porsche were brilliant throughout, even being persuaded to brave the storm in order to get at least one shot outside!!
It was a beautiful day, at a beautiful location, even if we couldn't take full advantage of the areas amazing beauty.
We were very excited to be shooting Lisa and Steve's special day at the newly refurbished The Daffodil Hotel in Grasmere, the Lake District, Cumbria. It's a stunning venue right on the lake edge. We battled the weather all day and thought we wouldn't get a chance to utilise the lovely outdoor space. As it turned out, it wasn't until we were packed up and heading home that we saw a break in the weather and couldn't let it go. We turned the car around, grabbed a camera and crashed the wedding breakfast to grab a few frames before the rain came back with a vengeance! Steve and Lisa were great, it was freezing outside but they were so kind to not only have their meal disturbed but brave the elements for us.
Their album will be ready soon so keep an eye out for the forthcoming post.
We also just want to say happy New Year to you all, we have a great set of weddings for 2014 and we are really looking forward to another amazing year.
Enjoy, Simon & Warren.
With the first sight of snow on the hills, we thought it would be the perfect time to preview an amazing wedding we filmed and photographed during the summer at South Farm.
We can often get an idea of the tone of a wedding film before the day even happens. With Joanna and Adrian, we knew the day was going to be cool and quirky, with some spectacular entertainment lined up; we knew it would also be an awesome party!
So we already had a "vibe" in mind for the film we wanted to make, the music ideas and how we wanted to shoot the day.
But then the day happened and that changed everything!
It was all we were expecting but a lot more that we weren't. The venue was spectacular, made even more so by all the personal touches, but having met Jo and Adrian we knew it would be. The wedding featured two of the best and most original musical acts we've ever seen, but from checking out their stuff online before, we guessed we'd be blown away by them . What we weren't expecting was it also being one of the most deeply personal and emotional weddings we've ever witnessed.
So the trailer below is nothing like the film we were expecting to make and driving home and knowing exactly how we wanted it to end, we think it's the first trailer we've edited completely in reverse.
This is a wedding that had everything, but most of all a couple that are perfect together.
The photos
The trailer
We first met up with Debbie and Will over at Winder Hall Country House on a sunny afternoon a few months ago. They have both worked in the beautiful Cumbrian outdoors and were really keen to show this in their wedding photography. Once we had a look around the lovely Winder Hall we took a drive down to Lanthwaite wood which leads right out onto the very top shoreline of Crummock Water; stunning in the late afternoon sun. We spent half an hour talking through all the amazing shots we could take of the mountains, the weir and woodlands…. and then, in what seemed like no time at all, the day of the wedding came!!
We all knew the night before that the next morning Cumbria was going to greet us with a grey, overcast and drizzly day. We thought our chances of getting anything now were likely gone… However, straight after the ceremony, we were lucky enough to get a burst of bright sunshine for the formal shots and so decided to jump in the 4×4 and get down to Crummock Water and see what we could do. By the time we did get there the weather had closed in again but, to Debbie and Will's credit, they soldiered on in the wind and the cold for a good 30 minutes so we could capture the scene and we are so grateful to them for it.
Having since spoken with Debbie I am also glad to hear they are back from their, rather more active than usual, honeymoon after being stranded up a mountain overnight, unprepared at 4000 meters!!!!
Carrie and Matt were married at the beautiful Roundthorn country house in Penrith, Cumbria. From our first meeting to talk about their plans we knew they were going to be an amazing couple to work with and we certainly weren't wrong.
They were so up for anything and open to all our suggestions. Carrie was cool enough to let us run around the hotel with her dress to find the best place to show it off in all its glory, Matt and his grooms-men were not on the shy side, they had their naked room, where they were getting ready. Suffice to say most of that didn't make the final edit(no offence boys!). They were even open to the idea of driving down the road from the venue to an old stone quarry forest we found the week before, which just happened to be home to about a million mosquitoes but that still didn't put them off. It was a wonderful day for an amazing couple and we were just so pleased to be able to capture it for you.
A special mention for Matt's dad who so far this year holds the title of best dancer at a wedding hands down.
I think you can clearly see from the trailer what this day really meant to them and more importantly how totally devoted to each other they truly are.
P.S Well done to Mike for winning the inaugural Matty Cannon golf day, a bandit off 18 if I ever saw one!! and Chris for never giving up, keep that wooden spoon for Matt next year.
Phil and Jen were married at Jesus Church in Troutbeck and had a stunning reception at the Merewood Hotel Winderemre. We were once again in attendance with our good friend Adam over at (lake district weddings). They are a cracking couple who were really up for making the most of the day, which we think really shows in the images we captured. They had a lovely group of friends and family, and Phil, don't forget to remind your dad that he stills owes me that ride in his Maserati, I hope he hasn't forgotten!!!
Just for a little change we decided the images really suited an all Black & White post.


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How to tell if Natural Health is right for me?
Chino Health Professionals have broad skills and are able to work with a wide range of symptoms.
Complementary and alternative health, natural health or holistic health is a non-medical path to well-being. It sees the physical, mental and spiritual aspects of life as closely interconnected and balanced. Advocates typically use a wide variety of alternative practices, the most common of which include: Acupuncture, Chiropractic, Homeopathy, Massage Therapy, Naturopathy, Nutrition, Osteopathy, and Physical Therapy.
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