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President Obama criticized the increases, as did Health and Human Services Secretary Kathleen Sebelius, who called them "extraordinary."
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WellPoint had revenues of $61 billion in 2008, up slightly from 2007. Its net income for the year was $2.5 billion, down from $3.3 billion the year before.
Bailey said this week that she plans to continue her Anthem coverage. Chiappinelli said he's not sure what he'll do.
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I will not pay for that!
- janetms383 Apr 2, 2009 05:06 PM
No one can argue that Italian restaurants lead the pack for both upscale, fine, gourmet dining as well as hole-in-the-wall, family run local joints.
My circle of friends like to dine in nice restaurants, but they are not adventurous eaters. So, when it's a night out at a good restaurant, I can forget the Thai and Vietnamese, it's always steak or Italian.
Here's my beef (no pun intended) how can you justify paying between $15 and $20 for a plate of pasta!! I'm not talking exotic ingredients… Spaghetti and meatballs or sausage. What's worse, is being charged that for pasta alio oilo!! Come one…. It's a buck's worth of pasta and some olive oil and garlic. $15?!? So, if I have any input, I'll go for the nice steak dinner. At least I can understand the high cost of quality beef.
So, what do you refuse to pay for at a restaurant? Not because it's not good, and not because you can make it at home, but just because the price it too out of line for what you get??
$25.00 Hamburgers, $10.00 bottles of water, $45.00 cheese trays,$9.00 mini Bahn mi's, $12.00 frozen yogurts,$22.00 "Mixologist" Cocktails. Come on , you know who you are.......
That's nothing! Da Domenica, a small trattoria in Hong Kong charges US75 for a plate of Spaghetti ala vongole! They claim all their ingredients were air freight from Sicily! BTW, lousy service as well!
Anyways, back to your question. The answer is ' its to do with all the overhead! "
re: Charles Yu
$9 for a plate of spaghetti is covering the overhead. $15 is pretentious.
re: janetms383
It depends on whether the pasta is house made. I had some house made mushroom ravioli at a wonderful Italian spot the other night...it was out of this world!
I wouldn't pay big bucks for a plate of packaged spaghetti with red sauce on it..even if it had a couple of meatballs.
there was recently a thread about things you won't eat out, and pasta was my first thought -- and that of many others, too.
my question is, why worry about the price when no one is forcing you to *order* it? i guess enough people are willing to pay so much for pasta, but not me. i'd make an exception for some nice shrimp diablo. ;-). and you don't have to order pasta at italian restos anyway -- they usually have nice seafood dishes, in my experience. i'd just as soon have good seafood as steak, though -- any day.
to answer your specific question, i'm not gonna pay for tap water at any restaurant.
re: alkapal
I don't like to pay for Italian regardless of what I order, but sometimes I just want the spaghetti! (And I don't order it!)
Thanks for opinning
re: alkapal
I decide when I am going out with friends ... is about you and food and you and friends. I don't order water, I get a glass of wine or a beer or ice tea. I get something they are known for a simple dish. Don't get exotic, you know it won't be up to your standards anyways. Personally I find it just find, but I am not particular or "picky" when it comes to eating. I am enjoying my friends and the company and that they picked the place and they are comfortable and they are having fun. It's not about food, it's friendship. Just pick something simple and go with the flow.. Allkapal, not just for you I just replied to this. Not meant to anyone directly. It is just my thought. Order something you can eat and just grin and bear it. Me ... nothing bothers me but I prefer good not chain food, but it isn't about me is it. It is enjoying my friends. More important to me than food ever will be.
re: kchurchill5
most of my friends are in the industry. it would never occur to me to eat someplace that wasn't "up to my standards". it's obviously a sliding scale depending on the nature of the place, but if the food sucked, i'd feel like i really threw money away.
re: hotoynoodle
Well, when you deal in marketing and advertising and some business dealings. Most of who I deal with are not up to those standards and we have only 30 minutes or a few more to grab something quick and leave. So I fine restaurant is not within their budget, certainly not mine every day and not something they are used to. So to me it is just fine. They are happy and that is why is important.
In most restaurants -- lobster. There are one or two who specialize in fantastic stuffed lobster that is worth every penny, but for most , no way.
$12.00 for 3 "sliders", $5.00 for coffee or tea, $8.00 baked potatoes!!, "artisanal" cocktails for $12-14.00. Yikes!! I'm making fresh pasta tonite w/ King Arthur flour (a splurge) semolina and a little whole wheat + 3 eggs; cost- $3.00 or less. Alfredo sauce w/ cream, nutmeg and reggiano (another splurge...) Cost- $3.00 or less. Roasted asparagus as a side for $1.29 a pound on sale. Dinner for $8.00 (not including the vodka and wine, of course!!) I like to feel like I've gotten a little bang for my buck in terms of value. Sheesh, I used to co-own a restaurant; I know how much a potato costs-including the "labor " that goes into baking them, but, c'mon, $8.00 to $10.00 for a BAKED potato @ a steakhouse!! That is absurd!! (Even if it comes w/ all the trimmin's...) adam
re: adamshoe
Thanks Adam, you've made a good point and I think it's what's got my outrage. At a steakhouse, I don't mind the $34 for a dry aged bone in prime rib eye and generally can't eat a potato along with it. But, if my date wanted a potato, charge him $2.50 instead of the outrages $8!! Same with a good Italian restaurant, if my friends want to pay $30 for fuite de mare and I just want pasta with oil and garlic with a side of broccoli, why stick it to me? Is it merely to justify their "status"?
re: janetms383
when I moved to the US about 4 years ago, I noticed how expensive pasta was in restaurants here. I have seen pasta with tomato sauce and other sauces costing more than the chicken dishes. I really can't understand why. I was out last week and they wanted $17 for an eggplant parm and the chicken parm was $15.
I am from the UK and have never seen pasta dishes in the same price range or more than meat.
One of the things that bugs me is the upscale restaurants and steak houses charging $8 for sides like creamed spinach, brocolli and potato dishes. Seems crazy to me but I guess if they can get away with it....
re: janetms383
I remember reading somewhere how pastas were priced in restaurants. Usually they're considerably cheaper than the other items on the menu. Say, pasta is $12, fish is $26, and steak is $32- $40. A lot of customers scan the menu, look at the price and say 'hey $12 is a good price.. I'm going to get the pasta.' The restaurant makes a lot of $$ because the person is ordering something with a high markup. But I guess if it's an upscale place it wouldn't look "right" to have pasta or a baked potato for a few dollars when the entrees are super-expensive.
re: janetms383
the "status" comment is just confusing and you're missing the whole point of how restaurants make money.
the margin on that dry-aged rib eye is tiny, with the food cost likely approaching 40%. if all the dishes were priced that way, the place would be out of business in a month. certain items have a lower food cost, like pasta and baked potatoes, and that's where places make money and can afford to not charge even more for higher-cost items.
nobody is holding a gun to your head and forcing to order an $8 baked potato. if you don't feel something is a good value, it's your money to spend as you choose.
please stop feeling like restaurants are trying to rip you off. if that's really how you feel, stay home and cook.
I would have to say many of today's seafood restaurants are out of line with the pricing of entrees...especially when it's simply grilled like whole fish or 5-6 ounce portion fillets. When the whole fish is served family style, it's not so much of a problem....but when you go to an upscale Greek restaurant and they do not tell you the size of the fish, but that it's 24.95 per pound.......when the bill arrives you find out the fish was 2.5 pounds....well, you do the math.
Side Orders of Vegetables. I'm not paying $6.00 And Up...and UP! for Green Beans, Spinach, or Broccoli, no matter how well it would go with my meal, or how well the restaurant prepares them.
And I'm really tired of seeing zucchini + whatever as "the vegetable du jour" -- especially when it's du jour et du jour et du jour...
re: mcsheridan
If I was getting local, farm-fresh veggies that were cooked right..I'd pay $6.00 for a side!
re: mcsheridan
I don't really mind the vegetables, if they are good. I get annoyed when I go to a place that has about 8 starch sides for $6 each and as you have reported- one pathetic vegetable du jour as the ONLY veggie choice. Half the time it seems like it is like a frozen creamed spinach. Seriously?
re: Janet from Richmond
Exactly. I don't eat at any restaurant where I can't comfortably afford to order whatever I want. This makes the price irrelevant, and leaves me to just focus on what I feel like eating at the moment - sometimes it's a rack of Colorado lamb and sometimes it's pasta.
re: mrbigshotno.1
In our case, it's not about being seen (though we do run into friends often and are treated well at our regular places especially) but it's about having a wonderful evening, relaxing and enjoying life. Dining out is where we choose to spend a good portion of our disposable income.
I'm with you on the pasta. Also, here in NYC, many places charge $12 and over for guacamole. One restaurant even touted its "guacamole bar." Yes, I know it can be a terrific show with the person making it in front of you and all, but please, let's get real.
I won't order a standard (as opposed to hand-made) pasta dish in a restaurant no matter how much I might be jonseing for it for exactly the reasons mentioned. There are always varying margins on different menu items. The cheaper ingredient dishes have higher margins than the filet mignon/lobster type dishes so that overall the restaurant makes a more or less even margin. This pricing practice makes sense overall but it usually does become egregious when it comes to pasta.
I'll pay high for something I can't make myself or something that the restaurant does so much better than I can, but pasta out of a box sauced with decent oil, garlic, and good quality Parm is just a quick I'm-home-late-from-work-Dinner?-what's-that? type of dish. Not worth $15 to me. Maybe to someone else, but not me.
I will NEVER pay any amount of money for a Kobe beef hamburger. It is a waste of a fine meat not intended for grinding.
Salad, is my 'beef'! for me it is a matter of value-added. I can sort of see the sauce-making of a pasta dish. I can even defend the chopping of zucchini,seasoning and sauteeing.
But how can you justify charging $9.50 for a grab at the bag of pre-mixed salad greens (even if they are organic and local) and a squirt of dressing that took 30 seconds to 'compose' ("balsamic: meet olive oil")?
There is no prep and the cost of ingredients is under $1.00.
Fume, fume...
This past fall, we were getting lobster in NJ for $4.99 to $5.99 a pound at retail. At dinner one night, thinking there might be a bargain to be had on the "Market Price" lobsters on the menu, I, unchracteristically, asked our server, "How much would a 2 1/2 pound lobster be?"
"I'll check." she answered, and returned with a price of $75.
I ate scallops.
re: MGZ
wow I had that same experience here with Dungeness Crabs. The new fad is Vietnamese Crawfish Houses when you sit at picnic tables and get pounds and pounds of crawfish. Well I don't like crawfish and on the menu there was Dungeness - Market Price. In Little Saigon, Dungeness was going for $2.99 a pound. I did figure there'd be a mark up, but my chin nearly hit the table when they told me a whole Dungeness would be about $35!!!!!
re: MGZ
That's the exact one I was thinking about. When *I* can buy them retail for about $5-$6/lb. in the summer, you know the restaurants are getting them for less. How does a restaurant justify their prices for a boiled lobster?? I mean, geez, you dump it in a pot of boiling water - no pre-cooking prep, no post-cooking prep (unless they split it). Not exactly labor intensive. I suppose somebody must be paying it or they wouldn't do it, but I refuse.
re: Scirocco
That's the exact one I was thinking about. When *I* can buy them retail for about $5-$6/lb. in the summer, you know the restaurants are getting them for less.
Actually, wholesale prices to restaurants will rarely dip below $4.50/lb. outside of New England anytime during the year. When supermarkets have their $5.00/lb. sales, it's due to promotions and a loss leader types of sales. This past year due to market conditions.....the lobster market was very low due to the fact there was a surplus of lobsters not being sold.....thus the reason for the cheap prices at retail.
Typical mark-up for restaurants is 400% or more....sometimes it's not about costs and extensions, but the fact you are taking up space in a seat and there is a price to pay for that time in that seat.
re: fourunder
I didn't mean about outside of New England (although I should've specified). I understand that shipping can play an expensive role in any food hitting my plate. My point was that as food goes, it's not expensive in its raw form and the cooking prep is virtually nil for a boiled lobster (and I should also clarify, that I am referring only to boiled lobster, not other preparations).
I am well aware of mark-ups and I have no problem paying some $$ for a great meal. I cook a lot and can appreciate the time and effort that goes into good food presented well (and the fact that I may be occupying real estate for an hour or two). It just seems in the case of a boiled lobster, it's marked up much more than normal and IMO, they seem to prey on tourists who don't know any better. Just my two cents' and that is the one thing "I won't pay for" per this thread's title. :)
re: Scirocco
Living in Northern New Jersey, one the great deals for lobster is in the Ironbound section of Newark, which houses many Spanish and Portuguese seafood restaurants. There you can purchase jumbo lobsters for about $8-850 per pound steamed or broiled, served with a salad, rice, vegetables and fried potato slices. A large one is perfect for sharing and the relative cost is very inexpensive considering.
re: fourunder
Exactly! That's why I like to get my lobster dinners at the local lobster pounds or at home. Still a great lobster, but at a great price! :)
In my area there is a plethora of Mexican food restaurants including many inexpensive small places. However, lately there seems to be a trend to do "upscale" Tex-Mex or call it authentic and charge quite a bit more. In some cases there are dishes that i am willing to pay more for if they are good such as some Mexican seafood dishes etc. but things like enchiladas, no way. I mean come one cheese enchiladas are not an expensive dish by any means. I don't mind someone covering their costs but don't take me for a ride.
Of course jokingly I have always asked when ordering burgers why is it more if I add cheese but it is not less if I omit the onions and pickles?
re: swamp
re: burgers.....oh what timing. Just last night I met a friend for dinner and paid $11 for a turkey & baconless "club wrap" because there were no vegetarian sandwiches on the menu, and mainly because it had chipotle mayonaise, so I figured the lettuce, tomato, and cheese would at least have a little flavor. Lo and behold it shows up with no chipotle mayo, and what tasted suspiciously like coleslaw dressing or cheap-o miracle whip knock off, aka sweet. When I asked the waitress about it, she returned some time later with a small bowl of what I can only guess was the aformentioned sweet dressing with vinegary, bottled hot wing sauce mixed in. Chipotle my arse.
Needless to say, the price was still the same. Which I expected, but was more so disgruntled over the lack of both real mayo and chipotle.
re: swamp
co-sign..i feel the same way about mexica food..i dont see how it can be upscale..yes..you could use better quality meat, ingredients, etc...but in the end..after all spices are added...to me, it tastes almost exactly the same as something "regular" priced...
i also share the same opinion about chinese food...PF Changs has to be one of the biggest rip-offs in my opinion...sure they use a diff cut of meat for the dish, but once all the sauces are added (mongolian, sweet and sour, etc), it tastes almost exactly the same as a local spot in chinatown...
I don't see the problem with paying $15-20 for a plate of pasta, if the pasta, sauce and whatever else is there is high quality and tasty, but then, I don't make homemade pasta or long simmered sauce. I agree with other posters about salads, though. It's really irritating when a starter "house salad" of some bagged greens and a vinegarette is $8+. There are a few steakhouses around here (with good steaks) that include a starter salad, veg and a starch with the steak rather than charging everything ala carte. That can be a really good value over the ala carte places where you'll pay $30 for the salad and sides in addition to the cost of the steak...
Wow, pasta is really taking a beating here. Jfood actually enjoys ONLY paying the $15-20 for pasta when he just wants to enjoy his friends over a reasonable meal. The extra $10-15 for salmon or chicken is not worth the extra $10-15 since he is there to relax with friends.
Unless friends order the bottled water jfood only orders tap, since he does not drink soda or adult drinks. And he is not sure whether on this thread or another when the server called it "sink water". Jfood would excuse himself from the table and tell the MOD to change the server, totally unfunny and uncalled for.
Other items he has trouble ordering are salmon and chicken, probably guessed from above. And his peppermint tea after dinner should not exceed $4.
I agree, but everyone has different taste in food. Some people might feel that paying $ for something you can easily whip up at home is justified, and since they happen to be your friends (which means when it comes to eating out, you eat what they eat) it's kind of frustrating. Could you try coaxing them to try a new place? Unfortunately, it might just be something you're gonna have to put up with. =/
Everyone's made a good point. A lot of things are overpriced, and consumers pay for them anwyay.
I just hope that restaurant serves one hell of a pasta bowl.
re: mels88
Things are way over priced which is probably why I hate going out. I go out usually when invited by friends. Otherwise I won't go. Another thing I can't stand is food delivered. Are people nuts. Every now and then I may get chinese if desperate and running late and if I am working on something at home and honestly don't have time, but that is very rare. My neighbor gets pizza every couple of days, I can't imagine the cost. My ex and his wife eat out 4-5 times a week. I went out with them once, we celebrated my sons birthday. Just at carabbas, a few beers and 4 dinners, 1 desert and some 100 dollars later out the door ... for basically pasta. Now it was good, no complaints but I just don't understand it. Now there is a pretty descent Thai restaurant and I on an occasion will get a friend to go there and we always do take out. It is not something I make at home often so it is worth it. And sushi. I do go to my sushi place once a month and that is my treat.
re: kchurchill5
I always thought food was overpriced until I worked in a great kitchen and saw everything that went into making the food!
Pasta is one, not my favorite thing anyway, but man is it expensive. We have a few Italian restaurants here locally, the times I have eaten it, I just think its terrible.
Pizza is the other. I mean the gourmet one pan pizza that goes for about $20 plus dollars becuase its cooked in a woodburning oven. Please.
I don't eat these but, I was really surprised at how few and how tiny chicken wings are. They charge about a buck for each piece, not even the entire wing.
I didn't realize that cocktails are so expensive either, I used to order wine with dinner, and had to stop about a year ago because I kept getting really sick even with one glass.
So instead I ordered a top shelf margarita, I love a good margarita. BUT YIKES! Forget ordering those too. I bought a new bottle of Grande Marnier tonight, I'll just make my own.
I know I'm stating the obvious here, but it's all relative. I had a $1,600 dinner for two at Guy Savoy and would have gladly paid double; it was that good. I've also had a $4.00 burger and felt ripped-off. I'll go back to Guy Savoy next time I can, but I'll never go back to the burger place. It's all about quality, preparation, atmosphere and service. Get all the variables right, and it's hard to put a price on it.
And, let's face it, restaurants are in the business to make a buck. At home, you're not.
re: ejs1492
Great comment! Can't agree more...Eating out is not just the cost of the food, it is also about the ambience, the services.....besides, one does not have to go and do the shopping, prepare for the food and wash the dishes(or at least put them in the dish washer!) There are dining experiences that worth much more than the price tags....
I'm not in the restaurant trade, but common sense tells me that there must be a base cost per plate of providing premises, lighting, heating, staff etc. If that is, say, $10 then $3 worth of pasta ingredients gets a $13 price tag and a $10 steak becomes $20. Just guessing really. Others will know more I expect.
I'd be willing to bet that most people don't even think about it but one of the highest profit items at any restaurant is a fountain soda. It's generally a markup of 40 to 50 times cost.
With the advent of the Web I can now "vote with my feet" without ever stepping inside the door. Not only chains, but many local restaurants now have their menus on line and I can screen them out ahead of time. So, I don't care if Red Robin has the best burgers in the world, I'll be darned if I will ever pay $8 and up for a burger...even if fries are included. It's still only a chain burger.
IMO, many restaurant prices are over inflated. Why is coffee about $1.50 a cup at the local diner, but $4.95 at the steak house? it surely isn't 3x better, and the atmosphere isn't 3x better, either. (In fact, the 2 places mentioned use exactly the same coffee.)


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Oct 23, 2013Yes, it's an interesting game. Yes, it's a novel (pun intended) experience. However, it's simply not that good. The fact that it's been scoring so highly with critics and reviewers is not so much indicative of how good the game itself is, but of how starved the reviewers are for a new experience, and how mind-blown they are when they run into it so much so, that they forget that games are rated on other things besides novelty. Basically, 9/10 for novelty, 1/10 for re-playability, about 6 out of 10 for sound, and maybe 7 out of 10 for graphics. Gameplay itself would score no more than 5 because despite the novelty of the gameplay, it's simply annoying to have to keep swinging your device around as the game forces you to do. Again, not a bad game, especially not for 3 or 4 bucks, but hardly worth a 92% that's just crazy. This is not the second coming, it's just a nice, quirky, play-ONCE (or twice to check out the one real 'fork') game. Enjoy it, just don't expect a 9/10 experience.… Expand
Device 6 is not actually a game, is more like an interactive book experience. And it is fantastic.
Honestly, only few times I've seen something as original as this work. The story is great, really well written, the sounds and visuals are really clever and helps creating a fantastic eerie atmosphere. It's not as scary as year walk, but the atmosphere is really great.
Simogo is the best dev for iOS, and I'm really glad that there's somone trying to do things that are truly original in the plataform.
Really an amazing game, better than Year Walk, and one of the best games of 2013, considering all platforms.… Collapse
Oct 19, 2013Device 6 takes advantage of the capabilities of the iOS platform to bring this outstanding text adventure. But calling it that is too much of an understatement. The story is very intuitive and the navigation through the text only adds to it. The uneasy atmosphere had me a bit scared to carry on at some points, using an atmosphere similar to that of Year Walk.
Probably one of the best games of the year. Ignore all the bad reviews here, trust me.
P.S. That 'Anna' song is REALLY catchy.… Expand
Oct 18, 2013Outstanding usage of the platform, Device 6 blends book and game together extremely well. The puzzles are great and the story is enthralling. Overall this is one of the best games of the year on mobile or any platform.
Dec 3, 2013This was definitely an interesting experience but it's hard to call this a true game. It's more of an interactive novel and a good one at that. It's very engrossing, especially with all the various sounds and stuff that you come across in the story. But it's very hard to play sometimes. The many different twists and turns the story literally makes you take to actually read the story is a bit disorienting and confusing. Plus the game is fairly difficult. It's definitely a new experience but I'm not sure it's one that is a must-buy/play. It definitely didn't appeal to me very much but I can see why people would like it. The problem is that I don't know how many people will like this game going forward.… Expand
Oct 22, 2013Device 6 all about the puzzles. Pencil in hand, paper on table, thought-wrenching puzzles. Don't expect mindblowing graphics. Don't expect "casual," "easy," "one-more-go" gameplay. Don't expect arcade gameplay and skill-based replayability. Device 6 doesn't have any of that: it has a very clever, very simply written story, over an intricate and sublimely designed interface. Everything is effortless and smooth- except the puzzles which the game simply doesn't warn you are coming. Sometimes you might not even notice there's a puzzle. Pay attention. Read carefully. Think outside the box.… Expand
Oct 22, 2013It is mindblowing what these people have managed to achieve. The User score seems to be extremely low but that's because people were expecting the typical over the top FPS or some strategy game, but this is different.
Device 6 in an interactive book which has one of the greatest atmospheres in a mobile game (maybe after Limbo? It is something that we rarely see- Innovative, Original and artistic and device 6 is truly a work of art.… Expand
Oct 20, 2013You can call it a book, a game or even a literary adventure, but you simply cannot disregard the fact that it accomplishes these genres splendidly. The game may seem simple at first but it really arouses the intuitive and technical side of most, and may really improve that of the user. It digs into your more logical side yet demonstrates the need for ingenuity rather than straight forward thinking. The game's sleek design and collective features are synonymous with Sigomo's "legacy" and coupled with the fantastic audio the experience all round is fantastic. Besides the fantastic features the game has offered the only problem is that it may not provide a challenge for those who possess a higher level of thinking, and thus may be a game that can be completed in 2 hours of less for this category of users. All in all for the average consumer you would have many hours of perplexing challenges ahead and you may be unnerved by the consuming atmosphere that somehow keeps you hooked. Besides the "short" length of the game, the features and experience speak for themselves.… Expand
Jan 2, 2014i've applied 6 for originality and concept but no more for it's replayability and plot which is, especially, is dull and flat. Yes, it's great that modern day developers not just making action games but can deliver something very original which involves features of portable devices like ipad but come on plot is totally missed there
Dec 14, 2013This is an interactive fiction & puzzle game. To progress through each chapter, you have to solve the 2-3 puzzles in the chapter. It's short but really well designed. Some of the puzzles are easy, others are hard. Even though it's short and only part game [and part fiction], I found it to be worth every penny of the $4 or so that I spent on it. It's funny, a little spooky, a bit intellectually demanding. I hope this team of game-makers continues on.… Expand
Nov 9, 2013This is a very interesting game and is so deferent in a lot of ways. It has some great puzzles and the design is great! The story is okay, but not on the the same level as Simogos last game, Year Walk. Buy the game, you wont regret it.
Oct 24, 2013A game that takes full advantage of the format in very clever ways. I found myself getting goosebumps on more than one occasion bacause of how the game presents it´s great story.
Dec 28, 2013Incredibly absorbing. It's not a game, in a sense, but then again, it's certainly more thought provoking and interesting than the likes of "Angry Birds."
Honestly, if DEVICE 6 is getting low ratings simply because it does not accommodate to your description of a game, yet other terrible titles on the App Store like "FarmVille" better fit your definition then would kindly, f*ck off and read a book?… Expand
Aug 25, 2014The user score underates this game because like other 'art' games this is more of an interactive puzzle novel than a game.
Highly innovative, short but clever, difficult and very atmospheric/gripping. Sound and story are brilliant and are worth the price tag. Though the game is fairly short yet challenging, you can tell a huge amount of work has went into it. Epilogue was beautiful and moving, which is not something I thought was possible with iOS apps.
Buy now if you appreciate original approaches to game design/game as artform/reading literature.
Do not buy if you are looking for a casual fun game, a long or replayable game, are not inclined to 'immersive' media, do not like puzzles.… Expand
Jan 3, 2014Device 6 could be the strangest thirty minutes I've ever spent on an app. Never before has a game provided such an illogical premise with an ending that snaps every piece of the puzzle in perfect harmony. The game is unique in both presentation and control, producing a shockingly realistic atmosphere by using the narrative as your guide through the world. There are many puzzles throughout the game that require both intelligence and creativity to solve, one of which left me stumped for a good ten minutes until the answer almost slapped me in the face. While extremely short, Device 6 is one of a kind. No other game can match its mystery and innovative design, making it one of the best apps of 2013 and one of the most thought-provoking experiences you'll ever come across.
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Feb 19, 2014I recommend you play this game in a quiet, dark room with only a simple lamp, a pencil, and a stack of paper because this game will perplex and immerse you in a very interesting way. It's time for games to be smart again.
Nov 26, 2014Amazing
Interesting and interactive app. Worth the 4 dollars. Simogo has done it again with apps like Year Walk and has created one of the best apps of all time. 98/100
Device 6 is not actually a game, is more like an interactive book experience. And it is fantastic.
Honestly, only few times I've seen something as original as this work. The story is great, really well written, the sounds and visuals are really clever and helps creating a fantastic eerie atmosphere. It's not as scary as year walk, but the atmosphere is really great.
Simogo is the best dev for iOS, and I'm really glad that there's somone trying to do things that are truly original in the plataform.
Really an amazing game, better than Year Walk, and one of the best games of 2013, considering all platforms.… Collapse
Mar 11, 2014Device 6 is very interesting combination of an odd mystery novella, modernized text adventure and clever puzzles. And yes, it's a game. [Dec 2013]
Feb 10, 2014The way Simogo weaves the player and Anna into the same mystery is fascinating. It might not be for everyone, but the richly complex puzzles and intriguing neo-noir mystery are sure to make Device 6 a cult hit. [Issue 0, January 2014]
Jan 15, 2014If you're looking for some absurdly fun puzzles and a truly unique storytelling experience, you'll want to check out DEVICE 6 on iOS, but you'll wish for a gameplay integration upgrade.


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Mustn't. Use. Any. Pun. Using. The. Words. 'Wheelie', 'good' or 'time'. Phew. Now with all that bad punning in the past we can get onto telling you about Midway's Wheelman, which we got hands on with at an event in London recently. It stars Vin Diesel as Milo Burik, a driver who comes out of retirement to save a woman – these types can never just pack it up to Florida and play golf, can they?
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No, really. There are parts of Wheelman that make THQ's offensively stupid, but undeniably entertaining, open-world, transvestite-tainted adventure look tame. Sure, it lets you run around offing people while dressed like everyone's favourite swimsuit-sporting Kazakhstan resident. But does it let you leap between vehicles - SpiderMan-style - before kicking the owner out in one fluid movement? Thought not.
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Let me be clear: the BBC already makes use of Wikipedia's content and its structure (see this entry about search at the BBC) but there's a real reticence about getting stuck in and making a useful contribution to the project itself (Nick Reynolds, who knows what he's talking about, explains why here). Semantic web advocates at the BBC are busy building quite deep links into Wikipedia at the API level (see this fascinating post by Tom Scott about the way the BBC's /music pages now make use of open content from Wikipedia and MusicBrainz).
There's no shortage of collective and individual enthusiasm for Wikipedia but Wikipedia has become the backbone of the semantic web so it's time for the Corporation to directly support the project by encouraging staff to become contributors or editors, by making the case for open learning content and by using the BBC's resources and authority to improve its content. This is a direct and cost-effective way of using the licence fee to improve a vital piece of the global information infrastructure.
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I want to get some feedback from my fellow 'hounds on something. I regularly have lunch with co-workers. I really enjoy their company, and we are great about trying new places as a group, but there are a couple of them that do something that I find a little embarrassing.
At the end of the meal in sit down restaurants after we have paid the bill, they will often ask for an additional soda in a to-go cup. We are a very open with each other as a group and joke with each other all the time. I have called them out for doing this (in fact, I told the group today I was going to post here about it), but they see nothing wrong with it, reasoning that they have paid for a soda with free refills. They usually have at least one refill while we are there; sometimes they have several. In my mind, asking for a refill on the way out the door is inappropriate. Am I right to be embarrassed by this, or do I need to lighten up?
Thanks in advance for your input. We are all looking forward to seeing the responses.
re: vttp926
We don't ask (and I hardly ever accept if offered) but some places offer. My wife is a fountain soda junkie so it thrills her. I can imagine the cost is way offset by the goodwill it creates.
re: vttp926
I like it when a server offers me a to-go drink at the end of my meal, but I rarely take advantage of it. It's pretty common where I live.
Well, if I were to get all Emily-Post about it, I'd say that the free refills are intended to apply while dining. Same idea as all-you-can-eat shrimp; but no one's going to let you out the door with a to-go container of that, eh? Fountain soda is cheap enough that the place can shrug it off.
I wouldn't do it, myself. Seems chintzy.
re: DuchessNukem
Agree with DuchessNukem...and others here.
re: latindancer
That's the way I've always looked at it as well.
If the server offers it, that's a different story.
I would find something else to worry about or be embarassed about (dining partner flatulance for example)... let the restaurant tell them 'no' if they want to. I actually think it's a win-win. The person is happy feeling they got something extra and the restaurant has a likely repreat customer.
BTW... I seldom drink soda either out or at home.
My opinion is that asking for somethong so clearly inappropriate lacks class. It is inappropriate because the free refills are normally going into a reusable glass which is already dirty, so there is no extra cost there. And the service is obviously intended to ensure that a diner will have enough to drink with the meal, not to provide for a snack later. I'm surprised a restaurant would go for it. It costs them extra for the to-go cup and lid, and requires extra service. (The cost of the soda itself is a pittance.)
re: GH1618
Agree with GH1618
I thought I had seen it all (at least most) but I have never seen a customer ask for a to go drink cup for a non-alcoholic drink.
re: GH1618
I have a favorite lunch spot down the street from my workplace. From the outset when dining there, I will order my diet Pepsi in a to-go cup with lemon, just so I don't have to ask for one later and they don't need to dirty a glass cup on my behalf. They always ask if I'd like a refill before I leave, but I'd never dream of asking them for one. It would make me feel like a total cheapskate.
Once you pay the bill, you're done. You can't ask for extra free food.
A restaurant may go along with this request so they don't create unhappiness with a regular customer.
This does not mean the customer is acting appropriately.
To me it indicates a "cheapness" as well as glee of "getting one over on someone" behavior. I would not like it. If the restaurant let's it be though, I guess your best action would be to do that yourself. But do keep in mind that the displayed behavior is present in all their life decisions, so don't be surprised when one of them uses it on something that directly affects you.
re: Quine
I think this may also be a regional thing. I lived most of my life in the Northeast and in Southern Florida and would never have thought to ask for an additional Coke to go after the meal. However, for the past five years I have lived in Texas and I find that people do this regularly. The caveat is that all of the people I have been with only do this for iced tea, not actual soft drinks. I had come to the conclusion that this was a Southern thing based upon years of sweltering heat and no air conditioning and the need to keep cool. I still find it a little odd and have never done so myself.
re: ronaldpedwards
This is a regional difference. In our part of the country (NC specifically), unlimited refills on both soda and ice tea are the norm. In fact, a menu needs to call out specifically if refills are not included. In a casual restaurant it is perfectly normal to either top of your drink before you leave or, less common but still entirely acceptable, to ask for a to-go cup. Sometimes it's even offered without asking.
Now I wouldn't do this at a white tablecloth restaurant, but at a quick serve or other casual lunch place? Absolutely. Oh, and I've never seen this done anywhere in the Northeast that I've lived. It just isn't the local custom.
re: rockycat
Yes....the places I do it are common, casual lunch places. Not higher end tablecloth, fancy places.
re: Janet from Richmond
Well, I learned something new today. I spent most of my life living in the northeast and never saw this practice, the exception being at the golf course where "travellers" of beer from the bar and/or leaving the lunch table are the norm.
re: rockycat
In agreement with Rocky and Janet.
It is regional and at the discretion of the restaurant.
Imagine our shock at paying for refills of itty bitty glasses of soda in a restaurant 'up north' when the menu didn't state anything either way.
re: Janet from Richmond
I've never heard of asking for an extra beverage to go at the end of a sit-down meal, and it strikes me as tacky. Ordering your drink in a to-go cup is less gauche because it implies that you know you are not going to finish your initial serving. It's surprising that a top-off is offered, unless it's hot coffee, so as to keep it warm, though. If I order dessert when I know I only want a couple of bites, I ask that it be served in a to-go container, to save the server the bother of transferring the remainder.
re: Janet from Richmond
Janet, I think it's common in our area - I don't think twice about it.
re: jeanmarieok
At one place, El Paso on Hull Street, they even ask if you want a to-go cup when they bring the bill. That was what prompted me to ask for my drink in a to-go cup when I order it in the first place.
I get that for people who live in areas where it's not the norm, it seems odd, but here it's not abnormal at all.
re: Janet from Richmond
Yeah, I feel like I should amend my earlier response. I can understand it's normal in some places, so obviously I don't think it's inappropriate or strange in that case.
re: LeoLioness
Seems like the hotter the climate, the more likely people are to carry drinks around with them. I don't ask for an extra, but if I'm having Subway or something where they give you a to-go cup in the first place, I'll refill it before I walk out the door. I'm not a big fan of soda, so I usually only drink one glass with my meal, and take my 'free refill' with me.
Although I've already replied to this and upon further thought...
I see no difference with this than asking for a 'to go' container, after you've paid the bill and begin to leave, for more salad or soup from an all-you-can-eat restaurant.
Who would do that?
re: beevod
re: Josh
You might be surprised. Depending on where they buy it, the fountain syrup alone costs about 35 cents per 16-ounce glass in the five-gallon bags.
Add in the cost of the cup, lid and straw -- and believe it or not the water and CO2 (I just did the math using the best prices I could find) -- and it's closer to 45 cents a cup.
I've been pricing it out recently from various distributors for my new place. I always assumed it was about three cents too and was shocked.
re: Josh
The cost of a serving of fountain soda is somewhere around $0.03.
this is incorrect.....even if you priced it at an ounce of finished product....and especially if you consider refills, no ice or ice included, paper cup, spillage, staff consumption and etc., which in part, is what this query is about.
re: hawkeyeui93
I've spent a lot of time eating out in Texas and never had a waiter offer a to-go cup along with the tab. I don't do that it has happened, but common? Not in my experience.
It struck me as tacky but apparently it's pretty common after all. Here in Canada very few places even offer the whole free refill thing in the first place (except for coffee at breakfast), and I tend to even forget to ask when in the USA, so my opinion carries little weight here. And I'm not a huge soda person. I do love me some nonsweet tea and I can see the appeal of getting some to go on a hot day. But I hate the idea of extra garbage so I would hesitate to make this a habit, maybe once in a while. It's overconsumption IMHO.
Let's change the question....It's been noted and accepted that the practice and policy is acceptable in certain areas....or even certain food businesses. The new question is this:
Do you think it is acceptable or appropriate to ask for the to go refills when you are out of your area or in a business you have not been to before, have not been offered or is not stated as a matter of policy or program on the menu?
re: fourunder
I don't see anything wrong with asking for what you want. They can then handle your request as they see fit.
re: fourunder
I would have no issue with paying for it if that was the policy. For me, the choice to take a drink with me is about convenience, not about money.
re: fourunder
I've never seen it addressed on a menu.
re: fourunder
You can always ask... and they can always say 'no, sorry, we don't do that' or charge you for an extra drink.
My first reaction is that it's kind of cheap to do that, but it does depend upon how formal the restaurant is.
In general if someone where to ask and the waitress/manager is good with it, I would not give it another thought.
The more I think about it. I can see the argument that you can take your leftovers in a doggie bag. Why not take your drink too?
This can lead to the question whether topping off before you leave a fast food joint or places with customer access to a soda fountain is appropriate too. You've paid for your food. You finished eating and heading out the door, but make a quick stop at the fountain to top off your drink.
re: dave_c
That's what I liken it to....the out the door refill at a fast food place.
re: meadandale
One difference about a buffet restaurant is that you can't doggie bag your leftovers while at other restaurants you can.
I guess the more I think about this, I'm flip-flopping to suggesting the OP's "lighten up" as my answer.
re: dave_c
But restaurants that allow you to doggie bag allow you to take what you have left on your plate. The don't give you a fresh entree.
I think that the correct analogy would be getting a to go cup to take the soda you had left in your glass versus getting a freshly refilled to go cup with more soda then you had left at the table.
re: meadandale
With free-refills, you are essentially getting a fresh entree upon request, while dining.
In theory, a person can ask for a refill before the tab arrives. Now they have a freshly refilled cup to go.
I think it is very bizarre, but this new Vietnamese place has the most amazing tea, which you order by the pot. They put enough leaves in there to get 3 or even 4 pots out of it.
A friend and I each ordered our own pots of tea because we wanted different flavors our first time there. We each drank two whole pots and were near to floating after that and our pho.
The waitress however insisted upon brewing each of us a to-go cup (like a Venti size cup) with our tea leaves and fresh hot water. She then strained out the leaves, wrapped them in plastic wrap in case we wanted another after that, and gave us each the to-go cup of tea and the leaves.
It was the strangest thing, but also wonderful and generous.
We were quite flabbergasted, but pleased. We've returned dozens of times. I like to think that is more to do with the quality of the food, but I think the generosity might play a part as well.
I'm sitting at dinner right now at a DC restaurant chipping away at it while commenting.
I'll read the comments later when I go back to work, on my time though not theirs.
We do it often as we go out often. Usually we want to get going and hubby would like more coffee but is willing to leave and not have more of it if it means we get on the road again soon; so he fore fits his love of coffee for later in the day. I am same with iced tea.
So while he pays credit card bill I ask for to go cups of each which I pour rest of our beverages in, they top off.... I've never had them say no plus I always add a few bucks to the tip and hand it to the server cash. So in essence I'm paying for it anyway. Win for the server, win for the two of us.
A restaurant will give you free refills of bread, extra salad dressing on the side, as much ketchup and steak sauce as you need but it's tacky to the nth degree to take them home with you.
Anyway this obsession with constant drinking is very irritating. Really you need a 20oz takeout container of liquid AFTER you've already eaten and drunk to your fill? Look at how many people nowadays walk around with bottled water and other drinks all day long. It's totally unnecessary.
re: smartie
Depends where you live and how often it's 90 degrees+ outside. I never leave the house without a bottle of water except in the middle of Winter.
re: Kajikit
+1 from Houston, Texas!
Although we're all entitled to opinions, mine differs from the poster that mentions how irritating it is that many drink all day. To be frank I drink all day. It's neither irritating nor foolish because this poster has no idea why my intake of water or other beverages is important to me and my body.
So to each his or her own. I'll continue carrying bottles of water around in my purse because I can...
Way more interesting than whether it is "tacky" to get a to go cup, or whether it should be free or an extra charge, or even the scourge of excessive drink drinking; is how opinionated folks here are about the simple matter of getting a cold beverage to go.
Reminds me of the 10 minute argument I had years ago with a McDonald's employee when I wanted to buy a large cup of ice, hold the soda.
re: hawkeyeui93
Would have been a beautiful Monty Python skit.
1. Clearly it is tacky
2. The cheapness of the product in this case doesnt make it untacky but does explain why restos dont make a big deal out of it.
By analogy "(paper) napkins are cheap, let me take 20 to go". The resto wouldnt begrudge you 20 napkins to deal with a food spill etc. You cant say "so i'm entitled to them, why does the resto care when and how i use them."
I think a lot of restos would roll their eyes but not do/say anything w.r.t. the napkins. The tipping model complicated the incetive structure a bit with some principal/agent issues but doesnt change the tackiness factor.
I dont think this applies to say a fast food place with a self-help all you can drink soda fountain.
Also ok if offer initiated by server ... that's a customer good will business strategy, not a social contract violation.
re: Bill Hunt
You're not missing anything, and I agree totally. This happened again on Friday. To add to awkwardness, the individual that did it tipped less than the other people at the table, and this is someone that used to be a server. I tip 20% as a general rule. I know that there are many that think 15% is perfectly acceptable, and that's fine, but it seems to me that you would want to show a some appreciation for the extra effort on the part of the server.
re: OCSteve
Thank you for that clarification.
Based on the OP, plus that, I feel that someone was attempting to take advantage, but I will never know what was in their heart?
Thanks everyone for your responses. I've enjoyed reading them. I don't think this post changed anyone's mind, but I didn't expect it that it would. At the end of the day, I really do enjoy the company of everyone in our group and will continue to dine with them based on that, regardless of our differing viewpoints.
re: OCSteve
Didn't think it would since this question is a "value judgement" question.
Just curious what type of sit down restaurant is it? A linen table cloth, linen napkin joint or some place casual?
re: dave_c
More on the casual side. The two most recent examples were a sit-down pho restaurant and The Counter.
I don't think it's a big deal as long as they'd accept no for an answer. I am surprised that some posters are so offended by the question...what about asking for extra bread to take with your leftovers? I've done that and I don't feel bad about it at all. Never occured to me to ask for a drink refill to-go, but I am certainly not offended by someone asking for one as long as they do it nicely. It would have to be a pretty casual resto or one set up with to-go cups, so it's probably not a big deal to them anyway.
re: latindancer
I go to an Indian place for lunch that serves a large lunch sized entree and I always have some left for the next day...they always ask if I'd like more rice and Naan.
I say yes and add a couple of bucks to the tip as a thank you.
re: Janet from Richmond
When a restaurant "gives" me extras, I also tip well, and usually enough to cover any costs.
Still, asking for more, when I have finished the meal, is just not in my makeup. Others obviously feel differently, and to a great degree.
re: Janet from Richmond
I have to admit, even though I love great food/wine, I have rarely over my lifetime taken food home with me. I order what interests me, eat what satisfies me, and leave whatever I don't eat on the plate. If the bread looks fabulous then I'll probably eat a piece and leave the rest on the table. To ask for more bread or if they ask me if I want more I'd simply say 'no thank you'.
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I am with you, though part of that might be that we are in the air 250 days a year, so are very seldom dining at home, with the ability to reheat, and dine. We look for portions, that satisfy us, that night, and then are usually in another city, the next night.
Maybe that is why I just do not get gathering up everything possible, to take home?
re: Bill Hunt
"Maybe that is why I just do not get gathering up everything possible, to take home?"
Something tells me, Mr. Hunt, that regardless of whether or not you travel all those days of the year, you wouldn't be gathering food to take home.
re: latindancer
You are correct. Even when dining in Phoenix (not as often, as I would like), seldom does anything go home with us, except for the shortbreads from NOCA, that are handed out at the door.
re: latindancer
Different strokes. If I like what I've got and only eat half of it, I'll have the resto box up the rest and look forward to it for lunch or dinner the next day. If part of that lovely meal was bread, or naan, or tortillas or rice and I don't have enough leftover (or some on hand at home), I might ask for some more of those things so that I have it to eat with the leftovers. If the resto wants to charge me, so be it, but usually they don't.
re: akq
I am sorry, but I would group "asking for extra bread with leftovers" in the same light. Same for stealing the toilet paper from the lavatories.
What one has "leftover," should be what they take away, and not a bunch of extras.
Guess that I view things in a totally different light, but that is just me.
What about asking for two more filets, as the diner has eaten half of one, and want to feed the members of the family, left at home? How about asking for three more entrees, just so that Little Jimmy and his siblings do not go hungry? Where would that stop? Maybe if one asks nicely, the restaurant will furnish them with ten meals, just because they bothered to visit?
Sorry, but I will respectfully disagree.
re: Bill Hunt
To each his own, although I think equating a paying customer asking for bread to take home with leftovers with stealing toilet paper goes a bit too far.
For me, it's just not a big deal to ask nicely - why not tell the resto what you'd like? They can always say no or tell me that an extra order of bread is $2 or whatever they think is fair...or they can just say sure and pack me a couple of slices of bread to go with my leftovers. I guess to me it's no different than if I'd asked for more bread while eating my meal and, not having finished it, asked them to pack it up with my leftovers.
The example I had in mind was a few weeks ago I went to a favorite steak house for take-out to bring food to a dear friend who's just had a baby and was craving these nice steaks. Normally we'd eat there and I'd eat two orders of free bread (it's really tasty sourdough and I LOVE bread and butter). I asked them to put two extra orders of bread in the bag to go with our take-out ribeyes and they didn't bat an eye. It never occured to me that was rude or stealing...and I'd do it again in a heartbeat. Maybe it's different because it's take-out, but if I don't finish my steak and decide to take the leftovers home, I might just ask for some of their tasty bread to go with it.
re: akq
Asking for bread to go with a takeout order is fine, AFAIAC. It's what you would have gotten had you consumed the steak at a table in the restaurant. Most places would automatically include their standard amount of bread/rolls in a takeout order, unless you told them NOT to. This is different from consuming bread at the table there, then asking for additional bread to accompany the leftovers you take home. I'd consider that tacky.
Oh wow. I'm actually kind of shocked by this answer. I've never seen it as tacky or rude, and have known countless friends, family, acquaintances and coworkers who have done it. I've even done it every once in awhile. I'm thinking this is more of a regional thing...
We have one customer who will come in for a carry-out over her lunch period, purchase an iced-tea...and ask for "her free refill too". Yes we "cheerfully" oblige her and her family is in the Pub sometimes three times a week so we're ahead, but it does make me bite my tongue at times.
Florida Panhandle checking in. In the waiter service but very casual restaurants we're at on a semi-regular basis, they'll either offer a soda or iced tea "go cup" (We've close enough to New Orleans that term carries over.) to you when they're asking if you need anything else, or it's no big deal to ask for one at that point if server has made the offer in the past.
I definitely wouldn't ask for one at a more formal restaurant, but for where we usually end up, it's just part of the routine.