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text: FacebookTwitterGoogle+E-mail Thoughts on the #HappyMuslims and #Mipsterz Commercials Whenever I'm at the mall, it never fails that my field of vision is forced to pinball from one area to another, bouncing around erratically, attempting to avoid either mall posters or styling and profiling female shoppers. I bear neither the businesses nor the shoppers any ill will, and it's my hope that the message of Islam will reach them, but suffice it to say, I'm responsible for my own spiritual well-being, and I take it seriously that Allah has commanded us to lower our eyes in the Qur'an, and that the Prophet has commanded us to look away after the first glance. When the #mipsterz video came out, I really wanted to understand what all the fuss was about, but couldn't because the same mall girl styling and profiling was occurring in the videos. Hijabs don't halalify second, third, and fourth glances at sisters attempting to perform some type of "cat walk strut" for all to view. Within a few seconds of turning it on, it was back off as there was no point in watching it from the edge of my peripheral vision. The #happymuslims video wasn't as bad from this perspective, but again, watching women dancing is something I wouldn't do if I encountered nonhijab wearing women in the mall, and if our sisters were to follow the agreed-upon shar'i requirements of head cover, loose-fitted clothing, and not enhanced with cosmetics, that still wouldn't give me a green light to check them out, whether they were doing something as unarousing as the robot (yeah, you know who you are), or something beyond that. I'd be lying though if I didn't mention that there was a part of me that enjoyed seeing people smiling and happy in the #happymuslims video, despite my religious reservations on music and concerns regarding hayaa'. Social media is often nothing but an onslaught of bad or worse news, and Muslim leaders on my newsfeed are more often than not sharing new problems or delivering passive-aggressive sound-byte shame grenades on everything imaginable and then wondering why no one connects with them. Discussing the Discussion As is often the case with Western Muslims, I grew up in an environment of unrestricted access to the Western experience, be it on the entertainment side of things or social relationships with women, irrespective of religion. Later in life, my understanding of religiosity changed and I became the person who, as one family member put it, you could not hold a civilized conversation with on religion. What's interesting is that one thing never changed—as an ignorant free spirit or as a rigidly conservative individual—I always considered myself to be a decent person of good intentions, someone who doesn't harm anyone, a person who properly believes in His Creator and mostly worships Him correctly. I also didn't understand where differing religious perspectives came from. Before studying our faith academically, the other guy was too restrictive. After studying and attempting to practice the faith more consciously, the people I left behind were intentionally lax and simply following their nafs. It's my personal belief that most of the discussions that have occurred on these videos have caused more harm than good. I emphasize here the discussions, and not the videos themselves because what I see from both sides are the same problems that plague our community during other controversial fiqh discussions. We continue to talk past one another as though we are enemies with the objective of being right. We continue to bash and backbite one another rather than looking for solutions that are inclusive and bring more of us together and minimize spiritual decay. We have no intent to try to understand one another authentically from that person's perspective rather than a caricature of "the other". Some of the areas of concern I see coming up repeatedly are as follows: 1. Everyone has an Amazon Intention Reader Isn't it interesting that everyone is saying, "we're not a monolith" or "we're not being understood" or "you guys are caricaturing us". Isn't that why the videos were made in the first place, to address stereotypes and bad publicity? Speaking for myself, I do follow what many would deem a stricter interpretation of faith, but I'm not sure I'd call myself angry, puritanical, or the "Haram Squad", or someone who is silent on issues like FGM or fighting against the cultural dehumanization of post-relationship Muslim women. I'd venture there are many Muslims like myself whose only concern here is that we don't displease Allah . Other than that, who doesn't like music, dancing, and otherwise having a good time? Who doesn't like to style and profile a bit, dress well, and send pics to family and friends to see us in good health and spirits. Selfies do have some value. Likewise, I don't believe that when a group of people put together a media campaign to create a more positive image of Muslims in the West among our fellow nonMuslim community members, this doesn't imply they are insecure, or that they're brown nosing, or anything else that conjures images of rear end smooching. I don't believe the men and women who put the #mipsterz video did so with an intention of exploiting the sisters they recorded, and I do believe that the people working on these projects are not only well-intended, but they do not see what they are doing as a violation of any tenets in our faith. They're looking to put their creative talents and personalities forward in the service of our faith and helping the general Muslim community, and rather than demonizing them for the manner in which the message is delivered, we ought to at least validate the effort from their perspective, not our own. This doesn't mean we can't criticize the work itself and offer naseehah (advice), but it should be done in a way that doesn't put others on the defensive. I recognize that humanizing an opponent and attempting to empathize with their intentions can be hard for both groups, so if it makes you feel better, put a #myjihad hashtag somewhere within reach and try to put your best self forward again. If you can't do that, then just walk away, knowing that the Prophet has stated Allah will create a home in Paradise for the one who leaves an argument, even when they know they are right. 2. Conflating the Trolls with the Everyone Else I really hate using a negative name like "trolls" to describe any of our siblings in faith, but there it is. There are some people who are on the extreme fringes of our community, and they are not only ignorant that there may be other ways of looking at a problem besides what they know, they are rather obnoxious about how they go about sharing their views with the rest of us. These types of people exist on both sides. Often they are laymuslims, but there are plenty of obnoxious accomplished bloggers, academics, and yes, even Muslim scholars. People who will state that differences of opinion are to be respected only to follow that up with telling you the difference you follow is wrong, backwards, antiquated, prehistoric, from the times of jahiliyyah, and decontextualized, nonwestern, and then some. I've seen it happen more than enough times that I'm jaded, but these troll-like inconsistencies are not Muslim problems so much as they are human problems. The silent majority and all sides of these discussions are not throwing flames back and forth. We want people intelligent enough to lead our community out of the darkness of disagreement and into the light of unity. Let's not make everyone who holds an opinion to simply be another manifestation of the troll who blows his or her stack around the internet. Instead, let's take the time to understand where the other person is coming from and reflect on their views, demonstrate that we understand where they're come from, and then share our views. For example, when someone doesn't understand why you believe music is prohibited, it's possible they never knew such an opinion even existed to begin with, or that they don't understand how religious law is derived. When I was told music was not allowed in my high school years, it sounded like gobbley-gook to me. I didn't have a sense of grounding in the sciences of our faith enough to understand how such could even be. I again emphasize, take the time to understand people and their level of knowledge – don't assume everyone knows what you know. 3. Not Understanding What Constitutes Good Leadership What I have to say next will hurt a lot of people, but it has to be said. The majority of academics, Muslim scholars, activists with position titles, and more are not leaders. More accurately, they aren't good leaders (since they likely have followers), let alone great leaders. Great leaders will sacrifice their personal preferences in favor of moving the ball forward. They may hold positions, even strong positions, on certain issues, but that won't stop them from turning down the volume on their own emotions about an issue and working with those they disagree with, trying to come to a proper resolution so that the rest of the community leaves aside the tabloid social media microcelebrity discussions and returns to more important priorities we all agree need work, whether it's tending to our spiritual maladies, community service, or international humanitarian crises that we can affect positively for the better. If you want to really understand who the great leaders are in our community and model them, take a look at the most successful organizations in terms of the spiritual and community benefit they bring with them. Whether you agree with everything they do or not, those are your best candidates for modeling success. Take a look at a person like imam Siraj Wahaj, no doubt a great speaker, but more importantly, look at the congregation he started with, the benefit he's brought to his neighborhood, what the Muslims and people of other faiths say about him, and his impact on the national Muslim community – that's leadership. Long story short, if all you read from someone is vilification about the "other" and they're unable to break the cycle of finger-pointing, or are unable to articulate their views without thinking about the potential negative implications and blowback stemming from how they are dialoguing, we shouldn't follow them on this issue, if not others. After the fatwas come down from on high disagreeing on what is and isn't lawful, the rest of us have to live in the real world and determine practical, workable solutions that bring us together despite our differences. As we are creating videos that humanize us to the West, we ought to consider how we can humanize ourselves to one another when we differ. Ivory tower bloggers, debaters, academics, and scholars who are unable to appreciate this point are poor leaders and should not be followed until they develop the maturity to see outside their own boxes. This again applies to all sides in many of these debates. My Personal Disagreements with the Videos A good deal of criticism has been thrown the way of the videos, but personally, I thought they beat around the bush. In summary, my own dislike of it stems from what I have been taught on the issue of music and the concept of hayaa' as it relates to our sisters and what I may view of them. On the issue of music, I follow the opinion that it is prohibited with some exceptions, and if anyone wants to understand what research I did and why I came to the conclusion I did, they can read the following book which discusses in detail the ruling of the majority, the minority opinion of past and present scholars which allowed all types of musical instruments, and discusses questions about the minority opinion for which I haven't seen answers. On the issue of hayaa', I do believe that Allah holds both men and women to a higher standard than the rest of society. While it is true that both men and women are told to lower their eyes in the Qur'an, the teachers I've learned from explained this emphasis is stronger on men more than women. With respect to dress and conduct, my understanding from the verses which speak about women's dress as well as the hadith which further explain this and the use of make up while both genders should be modest according to what is defined, the emphasis is more on our sisters with respect to dress and conduct that can draw attention. There is no implication here that either men should stay home so they see nothing nor is there an implication that sisters stay home and become invisible so as to escape the notice of any man who may find any movement desirable. The idea is that both should be doing their part to avoid finding or causing sexual attention while going about their daily lives. What each gender does is complementary to its opposite, and it is when both take responsibility in fulfilling their side of the bargain that a synergy is borne from that cooperation. That synergy is a barakah that results in a respected, honorable, upright, ethical, and dignified community of both Muslim men and women. Proposed Solution: The Coca-Cola Classic Happiness Machine The #mipsterz and #happymuslims videos reminded me of those Coca-Cola Classic commercials where a bunch of people are in the middle of some action, dancing and having a good time, every other frame jumping from one group of young people to the next enjoying their bottle of coke in hand while in the midst of an everlasting party. The sun is always setting just right, and the hope is, via classical conditioning theory, that you'll associate fun, youth, and happiness with Coca-Cola when you go grocery shopping, eliciting not just the mental image of the commercial, but the positive chemical reactions you felt will also be conditioned into you so that the next time you see that Coca-Cola classic. With our own videos, the true goal isn't to show women dancing, or to play music for the sake of it. The true intent of these videos is to humanize Muslims, to show them as contributing members of society, and to create those same positive associations (with good intention, no doubt). Can we do it without causing concern for hayaa' in a sizable portion of the conservative community (I say conservative knowing full well many of you who participated in the video consider yourself conservative, don't mind the generic terminology, you know what I mean ;) and without music? Here's another example from Coca-Cola Classic known as the Happiness Machine, which went viral in 2010: No dancing, styling, profiling, or music in this video. If the Coke Company can do it, can our brothers and sisters in faith find their way towards creating viral videos with the same parameters? Because honestly, the videos that were put out were professional quality (from my layman's perspective of videography, anyway), and I know a bunch of us would love to be able to watch it minus our conscience pricking at us, making us wonder if we're displeasing Allah in the process. On the music side of the discussion, I think it's a great stride that #happymuslims used "Happy" because the lyrics are clean. And yes, that is progress because even those who permit musical instruments do so with the caveat that the songs don't call to immorality, or are performed in a licentious way (i.e. vast majority of pop music, good-bye Wrecking Ball). But can we push the envelope a little further to voice-only acapella if we absolutely have to have something in the background? There are many examples on YouTube of artists performing covers of Top 40 songs as well as creating originals with nothing except their voices. I'd love to see more #muslimacapella artists, and their vocals providing the backdrop for a video of Muslims bringing happiness to their communities. Concluding Thoughts Disagreement is an inevitable part of the human experience. We can certainly disagree by venting and going for the jugular, or we can take strong principled positions, stay true to ourselves, AND work to bring about solutions that allow us to accomplish our goals and bring together the greatest number of people. While I don't expect that what I've proposed is the one-and-only solution, I hope we can move beyond the tabloid nature of such discussions, leaving behind caricatures and stereotypes in favor of solutions that allow for respectful dialogue, whether we end in agreement or not. What do you think the way forward is? FacebookTwitterGoogle+E-mail 44 Responses The Salafi Feminist April 23, 2014 Creativity exists in our community, we just need to ensure that it's coupled with originality (i.e. not simply joining existing trends and 'Muslimizing' them) and, of course, Islamic ethics (and rulings because *gasp*shock*horror* halaal and haraam are actually really concepts that are meant to be applied and not just theorized over!). The tangent about leadership deserves an article in and of itself… there's a huge difference between academics and leaders of organizations, and those who are leaders truly in spirit and who are spending their daily lives creating and fostering their communities. 18 0 Reply MoMo April 23, 2014 Mashallah. Very balanced and well written piece. I'd read the lyrics again though before you praise the song choice. 7 2 Reply Siraaj April 23, 2014 Which lines did you specifically find problematic? I don't recall seeing any when I read it, but maybe I read them from a different source…? Thanks for the comment otherwise =) 3 0 Reply S N Smith April 23, 2014 Hidden due to low comment rating. Click here to see.Must be awfully confining seeing the world through a tunnel. 5 26 Reply Siraaj April 23, 2014 But it's liberating to feel at peace with one's Creator =) 25 0 Reply Hestiwi B Oetomo (@hesti77) April 23, 2014 it's surprising how some creatures who live in conflict with The Creator think they know what real happiness is 6 1 Hestiwi B Oetomo (@hesti77) April 23, 2014 and how about you, how it feels seeing the world through deceitful perspective?? :) 4 2 Reply Mahmud April 23, 2014 Hidden due to low comment rating. Click here to see."I do believe that Allāh subḥānahu wa ta'āla (glorified and exalted be He) holds both men and women to a higher standard than the rest of society" Indeed……..hmmm. Isn't society made of men and women? 6 17 Reply Mahmud April 23, 2014 Lol at the negs…..it was a question, I don't know how men and women are held to a higher standard than the rest of society….unless I'm missing something, there is a mistake in this sentence. 5 4 Reply Siraaj April 23, 2014 It means the standard of hayaa' that is required by the rest of society is lower and less strict than the standard of Allah (swt) =) 14 0 M April 23, 2014 From what I understood, the author is saying that Allah SWT holds men and women to a higher standard than what society (us, basically) hold each other to. 4 0 ZAI April 23, 2014 Br. Siraaj, Good piece and agree with everything you said about tolerance for different opinions, thinking well of others intentions, not denigrating dissenters with labels, etc. Agree with everything until the end, i.e. the Coke Solution. Voices only acapella and hayaa concerns of the so-called "conservatives"? That's not a compromise…That's just giving them everything they want and given that the makers, Honesty Policy, explained pretty bluntly in their self defense, that they hold different opinions than the conservatives and feel they have every right to speak and live those differences…I don't see how so-called moderates and liberals are going to go for that. They won't view that as a compromise, but conceding defeat to conservative pressure and outcry. Some kind of accommodation and compromise will have to be reached between Muslims in the real world public space perhaps….everyone shares it. But when it comes to media such as books, internet, videos, television, movies, etc. I don't think so-called liberals or moderates are going to compromise…They'll say no one is forcing conservatives to watch, listen to or read it…so click on the 'x' button. A major part of their contention is that conservatives will not define, dictate or enforce conservative opinions on them…so why would they give in to what the so-called conservatives are demanding about music or "proper" behavior of women in the public sphere? in their minds, they give in on one thing…and next mawlid is haraam, niqab and beards can be enforced, chess is haraam, women to their houses altogether, and on and on. That's exactly what they don't want: to be pressured or forced into giving in to conservative opinions. 4 1 Reply Siraaj April 23, 2014 If we want to pigeonhole ourselves according to those labels, we might find it difficult, especially if we view the world from the lens of PR ("we're not giving in to the conservatives") rather than principle ("what can bring our community the most benefit?") I'm not saying what I've proposed is necessarily that, it could be something else. On the other hand, if we can view ourselves as people providing feedback in the way customers provide feedback about what they like / dislike, it's stops being "us vs them", but rather all of us sitting on the same side and looking at an issue and trying to understand how we can work together to provide a solution that is more inclusive. I think we can get there, but we first have to be able to put aside our cynicism and make the attempt with the best of intentions and the best of manners. 4 0 Reply ZAI April 23, 2014 Brother, What is the ultimate goal of feedback? To gauge the majority opinion? How should this be done? Should that majority opinion be enforced? What if the minority or a significant plurality does not agree with the outcome? How is there room for diversity within this paradigm? If this is about reaching consensus, then how will all sides be satisfied? I agree we shouldn't engage in a broad "us vs. them", but even as individuals on a case per case basis, we will line up on one side or another with an ISSUE. Insofar as consensus, It will almost always be that the conservative opinion is adopted as "least offensive" or "least divisive", therefore bringing the community the most "benefit" because conservatives will not compromise what they feel to be a religious mandate, whereas moderates/liberals compromising and NOT doing what they feel they can do is more of a choice of leaving something aside. In other words, NOT dancing or NOT listening to music is not haraam, so the onus will be on them as the so-called conservatives. will.not.compromise. It is possible to bridge some divides. For example, in regards to female education: Liberals can give up some symbolic pretenses and agree to segregation in class rooms to preserve the peace. What matters is the girls get educated. Khalaas. There are other issues however where there is no middle ground. You either believe musical instruments are permissible or you don't. You either don't have a problem with women doing certain things or you do. Feedback will not change this, not is there any middle ground to reach here. Working together will produce what in these unbridgeable cases? Nothing short of adopting the conservative opinion will make conservatives happy. Example: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=T0c9DWVuOHI That was the conservative "solution" to the video bro. Just negate and get rid of the women. Abra cadabra. Poof! Gone. Are non-conservative Muslim women going to be happy with this? Heck no. There are limits even to consensus brother. There are some things in which it isn't possible. Our various schools and scholars recognized this very thing and left room for diversity, did they not? If we have tolerated diversity and various opinions for so many centuries, I wonder why conformity has become so important now? We've become less tolerant is why in my opinion. Honestly, I think the solution is just that people need to be more tolerant of each other and learn to tolerate things they themselves might not agree with. I do not say that only to the conservatives..but also the others whether they call themselves moderate, liberal or whatever. For instance, I found Honesty Policy's defense of the video to be obnoxious in claiming to be the "true Islam", etc. Just as obnoxious as that claim would be from a conservative. Consensus or compromise is not possible with all issues. Chasms are too great or require one side or another to be suppressed. Tolerance. Tolerance. Tolerance. 8 0 Siraaj April 24, 2014 Salaam alaykum Zai, Great questions. My thoughts are post-video, and this is for future video-makers to consider. What I'm asking them to do is consider the various strands of the community and see how they can accommodate them for maximum benefit. They may not do it in a way that includes every single person, and I agree that there will always be people who gripe, but with tweaks you can include more. For example, with respect to music, do you believe music like Jay Z's "Somewhere in America" is appropriate? Although there is a difference of opinion on music, there is no difference of opinion on songs taking on the role iblis in proxy and calling to what is spiritually prohibited – here is an area we can agree and make some changes. What if instead of "Somewhere in America" we changed in something either with clean lyrics, or something from Muslim nasheed artists? As for what women can and can't do off-screen, I would like to sit with my brothers and sisters who put together this video and understand with whom they consulted that told them it's ok for sisters to dance publicly or on video, and understand their point of view, and I'd like to also have them talk with scholars of our faith who can explain their thoughts better on this. To my knowledge, among Muslim scholars, this isn't an issue of the difference of opinion you're talking about. In theory, among the different schools of Islamic fiqh there is a tolerance for different opinions, but those differences also need to be considered legitimate – not all differences, even from the Companions, are considered legitimate. There is a difference of public opinion though, and this is where I see the main issue. There's a gap between the the knowledge of the community on the women dancing issue and there is also a gap on the music issue, even with those who think it's halal, between what is sanctioned by scholars vs what is understood by the community. Because we're not able to dialogue properly with one another, we're not bridging those gaps and coming to understanding. In any event, I'm not the one to litigate the fiqh difference (if it exists), but I'm sharing what I know of the issue for now. I share it as a brother in faith concerned for the effect on our community because if there truly aren't scholars of the faith who allow for this, then it should be considered. I've seen nothing except unity from Muslim scholars and imams against the women dancing, and I haven't yet read any support from any who have completed traditional studies. There may be some out there, but whoever they are, their voices are not being heard (or I'm not hearing them, anyway). But wherever you fall on this issue, as I said earlier, we can't fall into thinking in dichotomies, either / or thinking. We need creative individuals to find ways to think with "and" solutions – we can do x and y. The fatwas may exist both ways, but we should also be thinking for the good of the community. I don't expect everyone will be included, but I hope that as new videos are considered, we find ways to include others, given their concerns. 3 0 Samia Ali April 23, 2014 Well written piece. I didn't understand what you mean by 'profiling sisters'? Would that include video interviews in which sisters are zoomed when they are talking? I don't quite understand. I hope you can clarify. Thanks again for the excellent article. 5 0 Reply Siraaj April 23, 2014 Salaam alaykum Samia, thanks for the feedback, following link might be helpful regarding your question: http://www.urbandictionary.com/define.php?term=Stylin%20n%27%20profilin%27 2 0 Reply Zaheer April 25, 2014 lol @ american urban slang :-) 0 0 Safa April 23, 2014 Jazakah Allahu khayran. Well-written, covered almost all the issues brought forth from the discussions buzzing around, & finally proposed solutions. May Allah unite the Muslim community on that which is right & good, reconcile the hearts,and guide us to the straight path. Ameen 13 0 Reply Siraaj April 23, 2014 ameen to your du'aas =) 3 0 Reply Bint Amjad April 23, 2014 With all the frenzy surrounding the video I think you've written a beautifully balanced article mashAllah. It states the points, honest reflections and doesn't attack anyone in the process. Jazak'Allah khayr. Perfectly sums up all the disjointed thoughts in my own head that I couldn't string together. May Allah guide us, strengthen us as an Ummah and put between us love and compassion. Ameen 11 0 Reply Siraaj April 23, 2014 ameen, it's my hope that we can strike a conciliatory tone more often than not when the next internet crisis strikes =P 2 0 Reply ibnabeeomar April 23, 2014 you win 1,000 internet points. 19 1 Reply Siraaj April 23, 2014 I need a meme with a cookie on it though ;P 5 0 Reply SabrTruth April 23, 2014 jazak Allah khayr for a well-written, thoughtful and balanced article. 6 0 Reply Siraaj April 23, 2014 wa iyyak, appreciate the feedback =) 1 0 Reply Abdelkareem April 23, 2014 Jazzak Allah khair. A great read. 4 0 Reply Siraaj April 23, 2014 wa iyyak, glad you benefited =) 0 0 Reply Fatima Asmal April 24, 2014 Siraaj; as salamu alaikum. I liked the tone of this piece. It's respectful; ma sha Allah and whilst I don't always expect us 'lay people' to be free from emotion when discussing issues we differ on; I do expect those whom we perceive to be leaders/scholars to conduct themselves with the utmost of adab in doing so. I've been disappointed with the reactions of the relatively learned amongst us. And I've found that social media platforms like Facebook and Twitter have given rise to a kind of blind following of personalities. In regard to the Coke idea; well women on screen will still pose the lowering the gaze issue. It also needs to be considered that within someone else's reality music is permissible and they too may have done their research in this regard; may be following a scholar's opinion. At the end of the day irrespective of whether ppl acknowledge it or not Muslims are diverse in their contexts; the interpretations of Islam and scholars they follow and I don't think the Happy Muslims warranted the mass negative reaction it attracted. My apologies for the disjointed comment. 3 2 Reply Siraaj April 24, 2014 Walaykum as salaam Fatima, Thanks for the feedback, I think social media is just a stage that magnifies what has historically been occurring for centuries, and I think sunshine is the best disinfectant for these issues, so to speak. As I mentioned earlier, there are the fiqh issues, and then are practical ways to consider how to do things best for the community. on the fiqh side, while there may be a difference on musical instruments, there's no difference on vulgar lyrics, so as a starting point, we should not have videos with such in the background – the #mipsterz group was nice enough to replace the original with a censored version, though the song itself, even with expletives, was unbecoming. You're right that men should always lower their eyes and look away, irrespective of circumstance. However, there are legitimate places for women to be (the masjid, the public, etc) where there is no issue for them to be out and about, and men must hold themselves to account. In the West, majority of teachers and scholars have no problem with women in pictures and videos. We have numerous videos of sisters with or without hijab in videos with music in the background (such as islamic relief videos, cair videos, and so on) without much discussion. I believe what has caught everyone's attention in the two videos in question is the nature of the way the sisters were part of the video. I think the reason it received that negative backlash is because we are not mature enough to discuss differences of opinion among scholars or differences in the gap of understanding between scholars and what society understands of right and wrong. What must happen is the problem must be recognized and acknowledged and the cycle must be broken by people who will not respond in kind to criticism, but will respond with something better as the hits keep coming in their direction. Siraaj 3 0 Reply tawfiq April 24, 2014 You lose all credibility to me when you quote george carlin to prove any point if you are using religious grounds. I love his comedy but you are throwing stones from a glass house who has the 7 dirty words you cant say on television for your argument 0 3 Reply Siraaj April 24, 2014 Salaam alaykum Tawfiq, The George Carlin quote wasn't to make any religious assertions, only to point out a foible of human nature – that no matter who we are, we always think we're the one who is "balanced" and that everyone else is not. Truth can come from any quarter, even Iblis himself, who taught one of the Companions that the way to repel him was with Ayat ul-Kursi (which the Prophet (SAW) confirmed when asked about it). Siraaj 5 0 Reply Saif April 25, 2014 Finally, some nuance and balance. Thank you so much for this! My two cents: The traditional method of dealing with 'shadh' (weird/unheard of) opinions among Muslim scholars is to always tread with caution and suspicion. The Shari'ah-trained scholars in the West who're supporting the Happy Muslims video in toto (not just the idea but everything it entails) know very well that the majority of the seniormost Fuqaha from all over the world (and from different orientations) do not view women dancing in front of men as conforming to the Islamic code of modesty. (And it is not just a cultural difference, it is a mainstream academic-Islamic position.) Therefore, the least that should be expected from such Shari'ah-trained scholars is the intellectual honesty to acknowledge their opinion as 'shadh' and not reflective of the majority of past/contemporary Muslim scholars. Having said that, I understand and appreciate the good intentions of the people who made the video (including the religious scholars), but if good intentions alone were enough to please God and lead our lives according to His wishes, we wouldn't need Fiqh at all. At the same time, it is also important for us to acknowledge movements and trends that exist within the Muslim community, and figure out a balanced way for mainstream Muslims to collaborate in the good they do while simultaneously critiquing whatever is shady and grey. IMO, since the PMUNA's version of progressive Islam was too radical and distant from mainstream Islam for most Muslims, it prompted the formulation of what is now being termed by some as the "New Amercian Islamic Renaissance." Some proponents of this discourse propagate a watered-down version of the same kind of progressive-liberal values loosely interspersed with Islam and Muslim cultural identity. Critical engagement of mainstream Muslim scholarship with this phenomenon and its cultural products is an absolute necessity in order to clarify the key differences it has with classical, orthodox Islam (in all of its different variants). Just like the young Muslim generation in the West is fed up with the cultural baggage of immigrant communities being projected on to Islam, it is equally important to consider the repercussions of replacing that cultural baggage with some of the more contentious aspects of American culture. 'Urf and culture are good, but only when they beautify the faith and don't distort it. 4 0 Reply Siraaj April 25, 2014 That tends to be the trend, that a group within it's culture sees itself as normal, balanced, and just while the rest as something else mixing a foreign culture with religion. Those of us raised in the West should continuously check ourselves against the text rather than the text according to modern-day values as there may be some intersection, but there may also be values that look good on paper, but are not really in keeping with the shari'ah. 1 0 Reply Kudos to This Guy | ANNAM&M's April 25, 2014 […] Coca-Cola Faith by Siraaj […] 0 0 Reply Ayatullah Elzhi April 25, 2014 May God bless you for telling Youths to not Drop Camera's but also providing solutions which was for me the MAJOR issue from the 'People of the RIGHT' argument. I refuse to believe a group of Youths came out to disobey God and while i found Mipsterz defying my Common sense, I had Happy Muslims give me a smile for the fact that it was JUST Pointless(yes only Tim Winter passed a Message) and it seemed like just a group of Muslims trying to be Creative Not Mipstering. I think the issue of understanding 'Modesty' may Turn into the Music issue because it simple isnt understood and is frequently used in different contexts(My the Ulamas). I would have been offended if It had a prolonged segment of JUST Muslim women Dancing but I wasnt because it just felt(to me) like it was capturing reactions from different Muslims(which some wearing realistic ofcourse because they were Just imitatiting the Pharell video as it was the Goal for some). Where I also was disappointed were the accusations that 'they were free mixing' which begged the question as Tim Winter also said that there are no chance of a Muslim man and woman being together in a viral videa and that they CANT be Mahrams to each other? AM really surprised and disappointed this article isnt viral yet and I hope it does as it separates it from everyother one i have read. I do hope there is a Happy Muslims Acapella video with a meaningful Sunnah message(like that of Tim Winter) and i believe HonestyPolicy ushered the pathway for youths to have a rethink of Moderacy. May Allah Bless your Efforts 0 0 Reply Siraaj April 27, 2014 Ha, well, there are a variety of factors that make an article viral, and some of that relates to the author himself and how known he is in the internet community. I'm relatively unknown and that's ok, I'm just happy that this post has struck a chord and brought a conciliatory perspective to a contentious issue, and I hope it remains a future reference for when the next crisis hits. Siraaj 0 0 Reply Grey Crayon April 27, 2014 Jazak Allahu Khair for this post Bro… your outlook is refreshing and expresses what i cannot :) 1 0 Reply shaker elsayed April 28, 2014 Islam must be the standard, then everything may follow. When people produce a product that scientists have serious disagreements over, the product will forever become controversial. I'd hope that creative and talented people, likewise business enterprnuers would put forth and upfront religious scholarly position they use to at least be clear for the consumers of their products, rather than creating contraversies with their products. Even though contraversies are not all bad to have, but less of them and more creativities will be much better. 1 0 Reply JessiF April 28, 2014 Very well-written. I appreciate the balanced, intelligent approach. Your detailed explanation is so much more helpful than just saying, "IstagfirAllah!! Haram!!" Also, some would simplistically suggest the solution is to just keep women out of online videos. This only marginalize women further and discounts their existence. I like how you don't suggest to remove women completely from the picture but for them to dress and act appropriately and for men to do their job as well. I, too, look forward to our talented young Muslim Americans using their skills to create content we can truly feel peace about watching. Jazak Allahu khairan. 3 0 Reply gunal April 30, 2014 I enjoyed reading this post. Expresses very valid concerns. There is so much I would like to comment on and will enjoy participating. Siraaj, you said (in your post) "We can certainly disagree by venting and going for the jugular…" After reading that I can only assume that when you called certain group of people "trolls" and some other ones "not leaders", you (yourself) were intentionally going for the jugular/ backbiting, perhaps to get a point across. I am sorry, because English is not my first language the point wasn't so clear to me. I remember a commercial a long time ago by either Pepsi or Coca Cola, during the month of Ramadan in Turkey. I was so moved by the commercial. The way it explained what Ramadan should be about -thinking of each other, caring for each other, and uniting under one glorious religion which makes this all happen. They researched well to ensure they capture every Muslim's viewpoint. Unfortunately, we can't say the same for our own people. Usually it is either my way or no way. Total arrogance. Then again, it is only fair to point out that those companies have financial gains at stake. Perhaps the real problem is, (just like the example you gave Siraaj), when we are told music is forbidden, we never truly understand why it is forbidden. And if we are seen asking questions in order to understand why it is forbidden, we may be seen as challenging the religion (trying to disrepute it). Then nobody tells us anything as if we cannot be trusted with the truth… This must have been going on for such a long time that I think there is nobody alive who knows the truth (why music is not allowed) anymore. Maybe the reason was all gobbly gook in the first place. We might never know. I had received a personal message on my facebook earlier. A good friend of mine sent me a talent show video from a Muslim country (at the time I didn't know it was from a Muslim country), with a note attached; "I thought you might like this". It was a video of very talented man and woman dancing. I replied to my friend asking why he thought I might like this? Also wrote my opinion of it; "very talented couple but too erotic for my liking!" To cut the long story short, people think my religion suppresses me, as a woman. People don't, and, I strongly feel, will never understand why us (Muslims) see certain things as threats to our end mission (which is to get rewarded in the afterlife). I am at a stage that I don't see these as threats only to myself any more. I see them as threats for my child and his generation too. To be honest I don't see this problem being the problem from the West. Recently, a cricket game played in Abu Dhabi (I think). They had cheer leaders and every few minutes they were on the screen dancing… For me these are double standards. Unacceptable. It confuses people. It makes others question our motives when we say respect our religion because we are trying very hard to get our people rewarded in the afterlife. Here in UK everyone is encouraged that each culture is respected. If someone says our culture does not permit hand shake, then people will respect that and will not get offended if handshake is not offered or refused (though for me refusal is a little hurtful). So, really, most people are capable of understanding differences when you explain them clearly. I would most probably agree with the message (that religion suppresses us women), if I were much younger and/or not have come to the "understanding of religiosity" in your terms Siraaj. Our peers and friends who seem to care about us pressure-claim that we are suppressed, not allowed to express our individuality (whatever that means (to me it means not allowed to express our sexuality to please their eyes)). I can see not being able to understand why loose clothing is essential, and why must not move about in a way some people may find erotic and cause them to have wrong thoughts and therefore sin. One of my suggestions, hopefully, without bringing about defensiveness: Let's not forget that even in a Christian society if a man has sexual thoughts about a woman (other than their own spouse), claimed to have committed adultery. This, we should be telling our younglings. So that they can overcome, which is nothing but peer pressure they are feeling. But what we must NOT do is accept what they are thinking as correct. Because their dress code is provocative to some, movements are provocative to some. Disrespecting other is wrong in any religion. And they must not, in the name of modernity, disrespect people who are trying hard to lower their gaze. InsaAllah once these younglings reach the maturity of coming to the 'understanding of religiosity', they will understand what we meant! If they were genuine in their message -that they are seriously concerned about the issue rather than it was just a way to make money by exploiting the issue, then, I have lost my argument with the artists but hopefully won a few Muslim sisters who can see my point. Zai is right in highlighting the problem with feedback –most of the time pointless. Nevertheless, if I save one life, the feeling I get is as if saved the whole world! Anyhow, there can never be total consensus. Coming to understanding of religiosity doesn't happen overnight! I find myself make a mistake that I knew of someone who made the same mistake before me, even I may have made the same mistake before, yet did not prevent me from making the same mistake (again). On numerous occasions I wondered if it is even possible to learn from our mistakes. I am still doubtful in my case for sure. What I mean here br. Siraaj, you seem to put too much trust in what others had interpreted what your religion should follow and not follow. And what is worse you continuously expect those interpreters take charge and teach what they have said your religion must follow. Their way of teaching has never been effective and never will. If you want to teach someone effectively, you have to know what will motivate your students to learn and then direct them to the various sources (not just to the ones you agree with) and let them find out and learn for themselves. Our society does not need great leaders; just effective teachers. 0 0 Reply siraaj May 1, 2014 Salaam alaykum gunal, thanks for your excellent and well thought out comment, appreciate your thoughts. In putting out the idea of trolls and poor leaders, what I wanted to point out is that there are negatives in these discussions we can do without, and all of us should recognize them. With respect to trolling, on both sides of the discussion there are people who comment or write posts expressing their views in an unbecoming matter. Sometimes these people are leaders, and they are leading towards disunity. Going for the jugular isn't about discussion differences so much as the manner we discuss them. One group is pro video, how are they talking about those against and vice versa. About learning religion, I agree with your sentiments about having a skeptics mindset, a "trust but verify" approach, and I keep this in mind for all people because we are human and make mistakes and can be affected by culture and other competing personal and social interests. At the same time, eventually I do have to make choices, and so when I shared the link on the discussion on music, it was a comprehensive discussion, and I have also researched and read from the scholars who are pro music and personally found either misrepresentation of the texts, poor research, or equivocation to make the difference look bigger than they are, and this is rather disheartening, but I can take the approach of calling out such people, but what good would it do? No one would understand, and even if I was right, few would care. There are other ways to win this battle against music, inshaAllah. 0 0 Reply Mistaken for Muslim | #Video | Pink & Green Blues May 11, 2014 […] Coca-Cola Faith: Solutions for #HappyMuslims, #Mipsterz, and Future Muslim Commercials […] 0 0 Reply karimahscuisina June 30, 2014 Shyness hyaa is one branch of the islamic character not all of the branches like some brothers and sisters would lead us to believe.In too many cases shyness is social construct not an islamic one, used to manipulate women 0 0 Reply Leave a Reply Cancel reply


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Since I've written a book on what the Bible says about Heaven (though I've never been there), I've been asked a lot of questions about the Heaven Is for Real book, and now the movie.
Since I've written a book on what the Bible says about Heaven (though I've never been there), I've been asked a lot of questions about the Heaven Is for Real book, and now the movie.
At 2:30 a.m., on November 19, 2002, I stood on our deck gazing up at the night sky. Above me was the Leonid meteor shower, the finest display of celestial fireworks until the year 2096. For someone who has enjoyed meteor showers since he was a kid, this was the celestial event of a lifetime. There was only one problem: clouds covered the Oregon sky.
Your life on earth is a dot. From that dot extends a line that goes on for all eternity. Right now you're living in the dot. But what are you living for? Are you living for the dot or for the line? Are you living for earth or for heaven?
When asked if we would recognize friends in Heaven, George MacDonald responded, "Shall we be greater fools in Paradise than we are here?" Yet many people wonder whether we'll know each other in Heaven. What lies behind that question is Christoplatonism and the false assumption that in Heaven we'll be disembodied spirits who lose our identities and memories.
I'm often asked if people, particularly children, become angels when they die. The answer is no. Death is a relocation of the same person from one place to another. The place changes, but the person remains the same.
If you had asked me my favorite Christmas song when I was a kid, it would have been "Silent Night," even though I didn't understand the meaning. Now my favorite is "Joy to the World," because as my wife Nanci pointed out to me years ago, it's the Christmas song that looks forward to Christ's return and the New Earth.
Having an eternal perspective is in so many ways the key to living out a true Christ-following life. If we take our cues from the world around us, we're not going to have that kind of perspective. Everything is viewed in light of the short term.
I've been asked several times over the years about my thoughts on burial vs. cremation. I do have an opinion, but it's not a super strong one, more a personal preference in light of certain ancient practices. (It seems important to state that my point in sharing this blog is not to put anyone in distress or have them second guess past decisions. Rather, this is only for those who are interested and are thinking about future decisions.)
Our churches and communities, our nation and our world, are filled with grieving people—numb, broken, bitter or simply exhausted. Grief is a journey, often confusing and sometimes terribly lonely. Those grieving need to hear from God. He promises His Word, not ours, will not return to Him empty, without accomplishing the purpose for which He sent it (Isaiah 55:11).
Are you desperately longing for Heaven? It's a fair question. Peter says, "we are looking forward to the new heavens and new earth" (2 Peter 3:13). But, in fact, are we? Are we actually looking forward to and longing for the world to come? This question is critical to our present lives.


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It's been a few years since Manchester Orchestra put out an album.
But whereas 2011's Simple Math—the Atlanta-based band's most acclaimed and highest charting album to date—was packed with horns, strings and a children's choir, the upcoming Cope (April 1) is as focused as a ball-peen hammer strike.
As such, Manchester Orchestra frontman Andy Hull feels like his band is filling a need in the indie rock scene.
"We wanted to make the kind of album that's missing at this time in rock: something that's just brutal and pounding you over the head every track," Hull explained. "I wanted this to be black and red the whole time."
Consider Hull's mission accomplished.
Cope packs 11 tracks of gut-punching heavy rock into its tidy 38 minutes, and rightfully so. This is undoubtedly Manchester Orchestra's loudest album to date. Massive riffs are peppered throughout, hooks soar resoundingly high and the low end chugs like a runaway locomotive from the start.
Cope opens with the single "Top Notch." Guitars strike like a lightning bolt and are layered on top of each other, building towards Hull's shrill voice blasting out the repeated refrain.
The guys continue that trend with the passionate track, "The Ocean," which finds a dirging beat giving way to piercing screeches from guitarist Robert McDowell. All of it leads to Hull's wave-riding chorus, as he closes out the song with "Iiiiiiiiii give it to the ocean, the oooocean…"
"Every Stone" is another thrilling highlight. It almost serves as a respite from the weight of the entire album. The drums are just as aggressive as with any other track, but there is something about the tempo that gives it a summery feel.
Late in the album, Manchester Orchestra seem to calm the seas with "Indentions," a tune that starts gently enough but evolves into a distortion-laden thunderclap as Hull exclaims, "I won't leave indentions of me / I won't leave intentionally."
Cope ends, perhaps fittingly, with the title track, a sonic boom of a song that features a ferocious riff with grungy feedback, pushing it into the outer reaches of metal.
Manchester Orchestra's fourth album was made during a seminal time for the band. It began during a period when Hull and his mates were between labels for the first time since the group's inception.
But between June 2012 and March 2013, Hull, McDowell, keyboardist/percussionist Chris Freeman, bassist Andy Prince and drummer Tim Very soldiered on. The guys bought an Atlanta house in which some of them had previously lived as roommates and converted it into a full recording studio.
After paring about 28 songs down to the final 11, they turned to John Agnello (Dinosaur, Jr., Kurt Vile, The Thermals, Sonic Youth) to mix Cope at Fluxivity in Brooklyn, but their initial gritty, organic approach to the process certainly shines through.
"Cope, to me, means getting by," Hull said. "It means letting go, and being OK with being OK. You can cope in a positive way when bad things happen, or a negative way, and that blend was a big lyrical theme for me on this album."
With this latest offering, Manchester Orchestra obviously had to weather a storm that befalls many bands. Those uncertain waters could easily derail a project, but Hull instead headed directly into the chop.
Fortunately, Cope is a testament to Hull's dedication, as the album just might be Manchester Orchestra at their best.
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Josh Wilson doubled to drive in the tying run just ahead of Choice, who began his career with the A's.
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Three of Milone's walks came in the first inning, when the Rangers took a 2-0 lead. Murphy singled home one run and Robinson Chirinos walked with the bases loaded.
The A's answered in their half of the first. Jed Lowrie doubled and scored when Donaldson singled. Cespedes hit a double, allowing Donaldson to score.
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The co-authors of a new study, including two Simon Fraser University research associates, cite new reasons why scientists, industry representatives and policymakers must collaborate closely on minimizing damage to the natural world from shale gas development. Viorel Popescu and Maureen Ryan, David H. Smith Conservation Research Fellows in SFU's Biological Sciences department, are among eight international co-authors of the newly published research in Frontiers in Ecology and the Environment.
Shale gas development is the extraction of natural gas from shale formations via deep injection of high-pressure aqueous chemicals to create fractures (i.e., hydraulic fracturing), which releases trapped gas. With shale gas production projected to increase exponentially internationally during the next 30 years, the scientists say their key findings are cause for significant concern and decisive mitigation measures.
"Our findings are highly relevant to British Columbians given the impetus for developing shale resources in northeastern B.C. and the massive LNG facilities and pipeline infrastructure under development throughout the province," notes Popescu. The SFU Earth2Ocean Group member is also a research associate in the Centre for Environmental Research at the University of Bucharest in Romania.
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"Think about the landscape and its habitats as a canvas," explains Popescu. "At first, the few well pads, roads and pipelines from shale development seem like tiny holes and cuts, and the canvas still holds. But if you look at a heavily developed landscape down the road, you see more holes and cuts than natural habitats. Forests or grasslands that were once continuous are now islands fragmented by a dense web of roads, pipelines and well pads. At what point does the canvas fall apart? And what are the ecological implications for wide-ranging, sensitive species such as caribou or grizzly bears?"
Shale-drilling operations for oil and natural gas have increased by more than 700 per cent in the United States since 2007 and Western Canada is undergoing a similar shale gas production boom. But the industry's effects on nature and wildlife are not well understood. Accurate data on the release of fracturing chemicals into the environment needs to be gathered before understanding can improve.
The authors reviewed chemical disclosure statements for 150 wells in three top-gas producing American states and found that, on average, two out of three wells were fractured with at least one undisclosed chemical. Some of the wells in the chemical disclosure registry were fractured with fluid containing 20 or more undisclosed chemicals.
The authors call this an arbitrary and inconsistent standard of chemical disclosure. This is particularly worrisome given the chemical makeup of fracturing fluid and wastewater, which can include carcinogens and radioactive substances, is often unknown.
"Past lessons from large scale resource extraction and energy development large dams, intensive forestry, or biofuel plantations have shown us that development that outpaces our understanding of ecological impacts can have dire unintended consequences," notes Ryan. She is a research fellow in the University of Washington's School of Environmental and Forest Sciences.
"It's our responsibility to look forward. For example, here in Canada, moving natural gas from northeastern B.C. to the 16 proposed LNG plants would require hundreds of kilometers of new pipeline and road infrastructure, and large port terminals on top of the effects of drilling. We must not just consider the impact of these projects individually, but also try to evaluate the ecological impacts holistically."
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"We could not have asked for more professional, personal, or complete care and service. A no stress wedding day which everyone raved about and enjoyed!" - January 18, 2014
"My wedding at the Inn at Leola Village was flawless and beautiful! Our wedding coordinator Stephanie from the Inn was amazing! She was always readily available and very flexible with everything we wanted. She added and removed things from their package to make it affordable and to fit what we envisioned.
The food was amazing! We had Pork and the Steak and crab cakes... to die for. The appetizers were so fancy and tasted delicious. You expect wedding food to be good, but this food was EXCEPTIONAL! ONLY compliments from our guests. The steak was perfectly cooked and you could cut through it, "like butter". Our guests could not believe the quality of the food.
The day of the wedding went off without a hitch. We dropped off all of our decor/settings and they completed ALL of the setup! They worked well with our other vendors. Not only was the staff amazing and friendly, but the venue of course is BEAUTIFUL! ALL of my friends and family said it was the most beautiful wedding they've ever been to!
The Honeymoon suites were beautiful! They have such amazing character! Because we had a winter wedding we were given two nights free with our package. We got to choose our room. We chose a Large spacious room and they had champagne waiting for us. The jacuzzis were awesome, and the fireplace was beautiful. Everything was spotless!
Best people, best food, most beautiful Venue! You will definitely not be disappointed if you choose this venue!" - December 14, 2013
"We chose The Inn at Leola Village after a long venue search... and we are thrilled that we did. Everything about the venue is perfect... it's quaint, romantic and unique, but big enough for a large wedding (we had 170 guests). Our wedding coordinator, Stephanie Lambert, is AMAZING. She is one of the sweetest people you will ever meet, not to mention professional and genuine. She's extremely helpful and very fast with getting back to emails.. and great with helping you make decisions.
As for the venue itself.. the quaint atmosphere almost made us feel like we had a destination wedding, without the travel. Our guests loved seeing all of the different rooms. The food is better than any wedding food we have ever tasted.. very delicious. Also, the Inn at Leola makes it so easy for you because so much is right there... the cake is included, there's a florist on site (the flowers were beautiful!), and there's even a beautiful salon and spa for hair/make-up. Also, there are so many cute touches throughout (Such as a wedding lounge for the bridal party upstairs with Romeo/Juliet style balcony... a much needed area for a breather! Plus very fun to be able to peek out at guests over cocktail hour!)
The Inn is very flexible with any requests you have, and all of the packages are able to be customized to your needs. The service was impeccable. We honestly don't have a negative thing to say about the Inn. So many of our guests have told us it was the best wedding they have ever been to. Book your wedding here if you want a unique, beautiful wedding!!" - November 23, 2013
"We've been getting glowing comments from all our family and friends about our wedding, and its all thanks to the staff at the Inn at Leola Village. They were phenomenal throughout our process. The wedding planners were totally on point and ready at a moment's notice to help. When the button on the groom's tux came off 30 minutes before the ceremony, they had a sewing kit ready and get it fixed. The space was perfect for our large wedding (170 guests) and the food absolutely blew everyone away. It was very convenient to have the Inn right next door for all of our out-of-town guests, and dealing with a single vendor for catering, decorations, etc was a huge time saver.
We also used the on-site florist. The arrangements were gorgeous and she was right on top of everyone that needed boutonnieres pinned at our ceremony. The girls' bouquets were perfect. Everything was very thoughtfully and carefully done. The table arrangements made the entire reception look stunning." - November 2, 2013
"Magical, a fairytale, amazing. These are some words I would use to describe the Inn at Leola Village. If you are looking for a venue that is unique, special, and one-of-a-kind you have found it here. The service is impeccable, professional, and unlike any other you will find. The wedding coordinators, no matter who you are working with, are equally professional and outstanding. There is no other place like the Inn at Leola Village anywhere else - this will truly be an experience of a lifetime. Every single person at my wedding came to me or my husband at some point in the night telling us how this was THE BEST wedding they have ever attended! And I must agree - our wedding was awesome!!!
We worked with Kaci for the majority of our time (mind you, we had been working with her for roughly two years) and she is truly a miracle worker. I wanted things that I thought could never happen, such as unique decor, a trick-or-treat bar, a sparkler exit, the list goes on! Every single thing was able to happen and everything was perfect. I have never seen a more professional staff that was consistent through our rehearsal dinner, destination's spa for our hair and makeup, our ceremony and reception. Every aspect of this venue is superior - you will NOT find better.
Take my review seriously - I am really one of the most obsessive compulsive brides out there!! I am extremely picky and would recommend The Inn at Leola Village to anyone who wants a memorable, remarkable wedding. Places like this only exist in your dreams. Make it a reality!!!" October 12, 2013
"Just had our reception at The Inn at Leola Village - October 25, 2013. Everyone at the Inn was so very accommodating, polite, and helped make our wedding fantastic. Everyone from the chefs who helped prepare our menu to Kaci and Stephanie - our wonderful wedding coordinators.
We were looking for a 'non-traditional' wedding without some of the typical wedding events (i.e. first dances, throwing of the bouquet) and the Inn was very accommodating. Instead of hiring a DJ, we hooked up an iPod up to their sound system and streamed in the Pandora Radio Wedding Channel - excellent, easy idea for those who don't want a DJ and the Inn helped us set it up.
Kaci and the entire team was very responsive in constantly responding to emails and questions. Several of our guests just echoed the fact that it was the best wedding they had ever attended.
Definitely the biggest highlight is the food - all around fantastic meal, which we wanted to be the focus of our wedding. Also, staying at the hotel itself is a real treat. Can't say enough about the fantastic job that everyone did and we are completely satisfied beyond our expectations for our dream wedding" - October 25, 2013
"We absolutely LOVED everything about our wedding experience at The Inn at Leola Village. Everything from the 9 months of planning before hand to the day of was phenomenal! Stephanie was great at answering ALL of my questions and addressing all of our concerns immediately. The accommodations were outstanding for all of our gusts, considering most of our guests were from out of town.
The food at the reception was phenomenal and was highly complimented on by all of our guests. Plus, while picking out the meals to be served at the wedding, the venue allows the couple to have an amazingly romantic date night served with all of your options to choose form, including professionally served wine and champagne. My father even had high remarks for the venue and was extremely appreciative of EVERYTHING the Inn at Leola Village did for us." - October 4, 2013
"Stephanie and the entire staff at The Inn at Leola Village did a phenomenal job! Always quick to answer phone calls/emails, make changes to the menu, and answer questions and give opinions on things that have worked for other couples (especially for the flow the day of).
The weekend of the wedding and day of went SO well thanks to everyone being on top of their game. Someone was always available to let me know where I needed to be next, help us get things setup up, really anything you could think of the entire staff was willing to help. It was also absolutely perfect that you can get everything (hair, makeup, photos, etc.) done on site - so many couples say the day of the wedding is so hectic, but it was a breeze only having to walk to the next building to get my hair done or get dressed. Our guests were all blown away by the service and how beautiful the venue was.
Overall, I am so pleased that we chose The Inn at Leola Village for our wedding. I don't think our day would have gone as smoothly as it did anywhere else! Ultimately, you get what you pay for and at The Inn you are paying for absolute perfection from start to finish. I would recommend this venue for any event and will be back in the future :) - September 29,2013
"Stephanie and the entire Inn staff made wedding planning a breeze. They were very responsive to our unique ceremony and our wedding and reception couldn't have been more amazing. The food, service and atmosphere wowed all of our guests. I would recommend the Inn to any bride who wants her wedding to be the kind of wedding people will never forget" - September 28, 2013
"The Inn at Leola Village is absolutely beautiful inside and out! It was a one-stop place for most of the big pieces required for a wedding. Our event planner, Stephanie, was sweet and gracious and covered every detail with professionalism and personal interest. I would recommend the Inn without one shred of hesitancy. Thank you for contributing to making our day perfect!" - September 28, 2013
"The Inn at Leola Village was perfect. We had a great time and everything went exactly as planned. Kaci Willwerth, our wedding coordinator from Leola Village, was exceptional and made our day extra special." - September 14, 203
"My husband and I got married on a Friday at The Inn at Leola Village and we had an exceptional time! Not only did we have our reception there, but we also had our ceremony in Casa di Fiori. From the first time we set foot on the property to the end of the wedding night, we never regretted our decision to have our wedding there. our coordinator, Kaci, was fabulous and very on top of things. We were living 4 hours away while planning the wedding and she was very accommodating to our "coming home" schedule. On the actual day of the wedding, she made sure we were on time for everything and made sure we were where we needed to be. The staff was wonderful and we felt like we had our own personal assistants the entire night! They were also checking in with us to see if we needed anything to eat or drink and made the night truly memorable. The biggest reason we chose the Inn was because pretty much everything was right on site. The bridesmaids and I got our hair done at the salon and the florist was wonderful and made my vision come to life. The open bar, food, cake, tables/chairs, and linens were all included in the price per person which made decision making extremely easy for us. If we could do this all over again we wouldn't have changed a thing!!! Thank yo u Inn at Leola Village for our dream wedding!" - September 20, 2013
"The Inn at Leola Village delivered an event that our guests will not soon forget. The entire staff at The Inn was professional & accommodating. Kaci Willworth (Director of Special Events) was so supportive from start to finish. She was organized, quick to respond to phone calls & emails, & genuinely excited for our wedding.
On the day of our wedding, she checked in on me frequently ensuring there was nothing I needed. Kaci was a true pleasure to work with! Tracy did all of the floral arrangements & centerpieces for the ceremony & reception. My bouquet was stunning & exactly what I wanted. The bridesmaid bouquets gave pop of color to their solid black dresses. The centerpieces where lanterns with candles inside and out with small vases of flowers in our accent color. Tracy created them with no guidance from me and the finished product was exact to my vision.
The timing of the ceremony was just what I had anticipated. After the bridesmaids walked down, the large barn doors closed. When they opened guests were standing, turned facing the doors, eager to see me and my dad! A guest told me that it was dramatic and breathtaking.
Because we had a fantastic tasting I knew everyone was in for a delicious evening. And luckily for us, we were too! Our sweetheart table (recommend-great view of everything) had plates of all the appetizers guests enjoyed during cocktail hour. Colin ( I cannot recall his title, but he is a Director there) made sure that we didn't go hungry! We chose the strolling buffet (recommend-guests loved it), so Colin filled plates with food from every station and delivered them to our table. Staff ensured all glasses were full, with water or wine! Many guests told me that this was the est wedding they have been to!
Overall, The Inn gave us our dream wedding. There is not one thing that I would change about that day - truly was the most perfect & greatest day of my life so far (my husband's too) & I have Kaci, Colin, Tracy & the entire staff at The Inn to thank." - August 30, 2013
"The Inn at Leola Village provided us with the PERFECT wedding experience. From the day we first walked on the property until the Sunday after the wedding, our experience was amazing. We would not change one thing about our event. Kaci and Stephanie are excellent. We did not have to worry about a thing the whole weekend of our wedding. The cake, food, flowers, service, salon, and venue were outstanding. Stephanie took care of all details so my husband, family and I could enjoy the day. I truly had no stress or worries and was able to enjoy every minute. Our wedding was perfect, thanks to the Inn at Leola Village" - July 2013
"We had an absolutely WONDERFUL wedding! The Inn at Leola Village did an amazingly professional job. I would recommend them to anyone getting married! They put all the stress out of preparing for the big day.
Many people said that they couldn't believe how relaxed I was the days coming up to the wedding. It means a lot when you have people you can trust taking care of things for you. Thank you again for a day we will never forget!" - July 13,2013
"Having my wedding at the Inn at Leola Village was a dream come true. I had Stephanie Lambert as a wedding coordinator and she was so organized and always willing to answer all my emails before the wedding. I could not have done it without her. She is so energetic, sweet, and patient that it was a joy working with her. Once the day is there, I dropped everything off and the staff at Leola did a wonderful job decorating the venue to make it look gorgeous.
The cooking staff did an excellent job with the food as well as the cake! The wait staff and bar tenders were so nice and were willing to truly serve the guests. Tracie did an excellent job on all the flowers. They were stunning All my family and friends have commented on what a beautiful and fun wedding it was. Most guests were able to stay at the inn afterwards and loved their stay as well. Charles and I were so pleased and it was truly a wonderful celebration overall." - July 6, 2013
"I am glad that we choose the Inn at Leola Village for our venue. The staff was great! Everyone was extremely helpful with the wedding and helping the guests. Stephanie and Deb were everywhere the day of the wedding so that the groom and I did not have to worry about the details." - June 30, 2013.
"My husband and I had a great time at our wedding thanks to the professionalism and expertise of the wedding coordinator and staff at the Inn at Leola. The staff works as a team to make sure everything comes together. Everything flowed without a hitch and our family and friends loved the atmosphere and the excellent food. It was very convenient to have the salon, florist and hotel rooms all on the same property; it made the wedding day a lot less hectic." - June 29, 2013.
"We had our wedding there 2 weekends ago and I cannot even put into words how amazing it was!! The treatment to not just us but our guests as well was more than we could have asked for. The staff was flawless!! They served everyone fast and everyone's meals were hot and exactly what we expected! The bartenders handled our semi rowdy group with ease and were speedy with their service, as well as precise!! We had a signature drink and they made every single one perfectly!!
The florist, Tracey, was amazing!! The flowers were everything we wanted and more!! Our center pieces were amazing and the ceremony was decorated beautifully! They followed through for EVERY detail!!! The entire night ran smoothly and was more than we could have ever imagined!!! Stephanie made sure everything ran on time and that everyone was where they needed to be, which is a huge help when there is so much going on! Needless to say the WHOLE experience was beyond perfect and exceeded our expectations!!
If you are even considering getting married The Inn at Leola Village should be your FIRST pick! The property is breathtaking and the venue is perfect and does everything for itself! The staff is on point and really makes your big day special!! I HIGHLY RECOMMEND THE INN FOR YOUR WEDDING DAY TOO!!!" - June 28, 2013
"Best day of our lives. The Inn at Leola Village exceed our expectations!" - June 21, 2013
"Very, very pleased with their service, professionalism, and flexibility. The entire staff did everything possible to make the day perfect -- and with a sincerity and a smile! I highly recommend the Inn without reservation! Best wishes to your staff and your continued success." - June 21, 2013
"Our wedding was absolutely beautiful! The atmosphere was just perfect and everyone said that their food was delicious (especially the cupcakes)! The staff were very friendly and accommodating, making sure the bride and groom had everything we needed! Kaci and Stephanie were wonderful to deal with and did everything they could to personalize our wedding and make it feel special. Traci also did an excellent job on the flower and made my complicated centerpiece perfectly!" - Jule 2, 2013
"We had an absolute fabulous wedding at The Inn at Leola Village! It fit our intimate and eclectic, yet upscale taste and vision perfectly. After Kaci gave us the tour of the grounds and rundown of all of there options, we both knew that was where we were going to get married (outside in the Wedding Gardens) and have our reception (in Casa di Fiori) before the tour had finished.
I had the opportunity to work with both Kaci and Stephanie and both were extremely professional and responsive to each and every single one of my worries, concerns, questions as well as encouraging and accommodating to our vision for our wedding. Tracie the florist helped accomplish that beautifully, and even went above and beyond all expectations in helping us accomplish our vision for our big day.
As we look back on that day, we are both sad that it went so quickly, but excited to relive our beautiful memories through photo and video. Everything was truly wonderful and we couldn't have been happier with our choice." - June 2013
"First let me say that my husband and I received numerous compliments about how BEAUTIFUL our venue was, and we AGREE!!! We decided to have both our ceremony and reception at The Inn at Leola Village. My husband and I LOVED the atmosphere, décor and professionalism at The Inn at Leola Village. We worked closely with Stephanie Lambert, who did an AMAZING job!!! Stephanie worked closely with us thru every step of the wedding planning process, ensuring we never missed a beat. She was always quick to respond to our questions and was very easy to work with!! They were incredibly flexible with some of our demands, including the creation of a custom bar stocked with various types of craft-beer to accommodate our joint love of beer.
We had tried to hold our wedding ceremony outside and about 1 hour before the start of the ceremony it started to rain with no sign of ending and in less than an hour the staff at The Inn at Leola had completely set-up the inside space and it looked so beautiful, like we had planned it that way from the beginning. They helped calm our nerves about the last minute changes and it worked out PERFECTLY!!
Everyone on the staff at The Inn at Leola was incredibly friendly, approachable and professional ensuring that my husband and I had everything we needed and more…from a full glass of beer right after the ceremony and right before we left at the end of the reception! Their attention to detail is unparalleled and helped give my husband and I the PERFECT WEDDING!!!!
We ABSOLUTELY RECOMMEND THE INN AT LEOLA VILLAGE!!!!!!" - May 18, 2013
"The Inn at Leola Village was my wedding dream come true. This venue provided me with everything I could have wanted for my day and so much more. My wedding coordinator Kaci all but planned the details of the wedding for me - from making sure my menu was perfect to double checking my flower arrangements the day of the wedding to be sure they were flawless on the tables.
As an out-of-town bride, the Inn provided a one-stop shop, making wedding planning a breeze! Everything from the cake, flowers, hair and makeup, food and beverages, even guest accommodations, was covered. I did a few DIY projects just to add a personal touch. However, the day of the wedding, the staff at the Inn not only set everything up, but they also tore everything down. The grounds are so romantic, so beautiful - I felt like I was Belle in an enchanted village, but the staff just treated you like you were Cinderella.
I have to say - I was so relaxed the day of our wedding because I knew Kaci would have everything handled that our night was the best party I have ever been to. I never felt like I was in my element as much as I did on my wedding day. The guests were completely thrilled with our menu, the service, the accommodations... every dime spent was completely worth it! When I look back on the wedding day, the first word that comes to mind is 'perfect.'" - May 11, 2013
"My husband and I had our wedding reception at the Inn at Leola Village in March 2013. We worked with Stephanie (one of the Event directors) and she was wonderful from start to finish. She took time to get to know my husband and myself and used that to create a completely personal reception. The beauty of the Inn, uniqueness of the guest rooms and the general feeling the staff gave could not have been better. Most notably, the food was outstanding. It's only been a month and we already have plans to return for dinner.
Also, Stephanie had an excellent relationship with a few of the vendors we chose (not from their recommendations either) because they work with so many different people. Don't underestimate how helpful that can be! Words can't do any justice for how well Stephanie and every member of the staff took care of us and our guests. We dropped off all of our personal supplies to them a few days prior and didn't lift one finger at the rehearsal dinner or reception (an irreplaceable feeling).
Meet with them, walk around the grounds and you will fall in love like we did. I would do the entire process over again and as anyone planning a wedding knows, that's the biggest compliment I can give!" - April 2013
"Dear Kaci,
The Inn at Leola Village is a really special place! Frank and I can't even wait to come back - it was the most perfect day that I could have ever imagined - actually even better than that!
Thank you so much for truly being the key to making our day perfect. I don't know what I would have done without your calming words, the way you made everything become perfectly synchronized, and just how professional but so sweet you are - thank you! It was definitely a wedding of my dreams!
Thank you,
Amanda " - May 11, 2013
With the help of Stephanie and the service staff our wedding was a magical night. We didn't have to fuss over a single thing and everything worked out beautifully. If i could do it all over again i wouldn't change a thing! - April 27, 2013
"Everything went very smoothly. The wedding coordinator was easy to work with and handled all of the details on the day of the wedding. The food is awesome." June 29, 2013.
"We held our Rehearsal Dinner at Leola Village. It was perfect--the venue was beautifully and elegantly appointed. The service we received from Stephanie Lambert and Jackie Rishell prior to the event was first-class.
The food was absolutely delicious and our guests are still telling us how good the food was--almost a week after the event! Our servers for the evening (Brand, Colin, and Josh) were attentive to our guests' needs and very professional. We also used Tracie's floral expertise to add that extra touch to the room.
All in all, I cannot begin to explain how totally pleased we are with this experience. We will be singing your praises for years to come. Thank you, thank you!!" - March 2013
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