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|12 Jan 2010
w7-64, w2k
Taskbar Always On Top - Disable or Enable
How to Disable or Enable Taskbar Always on Top in Windows 7
|My System Specs
|26 Aug 2011
Windows 7 Pro
Removing KB2515325 had fixed it for me but yesterday, after installing all the latest Windows Updates (except KB2515325) it is broken for me again
Anyone know what is killing it now?
|My System Specs
|08 Sep 2011
Here is an AutoHotKey script that does the job.
1 - Save the script as My_TaskBar.ahk
2 - Find and download AutoHotkey (freeware) from internet
3 - Compile the script with the AHK compiler
Generates My_TaskBar.exe or whatever you like to call it.
4 - AutoHotKey may be removed.
5 - Launch the exe
When My_TaskBar.exe is running, if an application window gets the focus, the taskbar will hide.
This tweak is very handy for people like me who prefer having the TaskBar on the left.
The TaskBar can easily be restored with several "Window-Key" combinations, Win, Win-Tab, Win-b, Win-t.
There is nothing very complicated in the code, just standard window management.
So, it doesn't depend on any Windows 7 KB.
Works on Windows 7 and 2008.
The code is just below.
Hope it will helpfull for some of you.
;################################################## ;# ;# With Windows Seven, the TaskBar is either ;# Hidden or ABOVE the other windows. ;# The XP or Vista option to desactivate ;# "Keep the BaskBar on top of other windows" ;# has been removed. ;# ;# This AHK script recreates the old behaviour. ;# The Windows key or the Win+Tab or Win+t keys ;# make the TaskBar visible. ;# Working with any other window make it disapear. ;# Moving the mouse on the sides of the screen ;# will NOT make the TaskBar pop up. ;# ;# Requires "Auto-hide taskbar" checkbox in ;# TaskBar properties. ;# ;# 2011-09-01 Creation ;# ;################################################## ; First hide the TaskBar gosub HIDE_TRAY ; Focus and scroll through items on the taskbar. #Tab:: WinSet, Region, , ahk_class Shell_TrayWnd WinSet, Region, , ahk_class DV2ControlHost WinSet, Region, , ahk_class Button WinSet, Region, , ahk_class TaskListThumbnailWnd send #t return ; Focus the System Tray icons #b:: WinSet, Region, , ahk_class Shell_TrayWnd WinSet, Region, , ahk_class DV2ControlHost WinSet, Region, , ahk_class Button WinSet, Region, , ahk_class TaskListThumbnailWnd send #b return #:: WinSet, Region, , ahk_class Shell_TrayWnd WinSet, Region, , ahk_class DV2ControlHost WinSet, Region, , ahk_class Button WinSet, Region, , ahk_class TaskListThumbnailWnd send # return SHOW_TRAY: ; Wait till TaskBar gains focus WinWaitActive, ahk_class Shell_TrayWnd ; Restore TaskBar visibility WinSet, Region, , ahk_class Shell_TrayWnd ;WinActivate, ahk_class Shell_TrayWnd ; ;############################## ;# One time (-99) new thread ;############################## SetTimer, HIDE_TRAY,-99 return HIDE_TRAY: ; Give time for things to complete sleep, 100 ; Just for debugging - May be removed while (0>1) { WinGetClass, Win_Class, A SplashTextOn, 400, 300, Clipboard, %Win_Class% sleep, 500 } ; Wait till TaskBar looses focus WinWaitNotActive, ahk_class Shell_TrayWnd WinGetClass, Win_Class, A ; Try again if the Start Menu (DV2ControlHost) poped up if Win_Class = DV2ControlHost { WinWaitNotActive, ahk_class DV2ControlHost ;MsgBox Start Menu 2 SetTimer, HIDE_TRAY,-99 return } if Win_Class = Button { WinWaitNotActive, ahk_class Button ;MsgBox Start Menu 2 SetTimer, HIDE_TRAY,-99 return } if Win_Class = TaskListThumbnailWnd { WinWaitNotActive, ahk_class TaskListThumbnailWnd ;MsgBox Start Menu 2 SetTimer, HIDE_TRAY,-99 return } ;MsgBox Hide WinSet, Region, 0-0 W0 H0, ahk_class TaskListThumbnailWnd WinSet, Region, 0-0 W0 H0, ahk_class DV2ControlHost WinSet, Region, 0-0 W0 H0, ahk_class Button WinSet, Region, 0-0 W0 H0, ahk_class Shell_TrayWnd SetTimer, SHOW_TRAY,-99 return
|My System Specs
|12 Sep 2011
Windblows 7
@seventab worked like a charm for me. Thank you for posting that.
|My System Specs
|13 Sep 2011
Hey seventab, thanks for the code. It works much better than mine at Taskbar Always On Top - Disable or Enable -- mine had strange effects on the tooltips for system tray icons... they would show up partially behind the taskbar depending on geometry.
However, there is one situation I've never figured out in my code, and your code also suffers from it. I have a workaround, but it is an annoyance when it happens.
To trigger the situation: run Firefox. Download a file. Download window pops up on top. Ignore it, click on other things in the browser. Download another file. Download window, now no longer on top, expresses its desire to want to be on top, and the task bar appears, with the download window widget highlighted... and there it sticks, task bar on top, and won't go away.
Workaround: click on the highlighted widget (or the download window if it is visible) to bring it to the top. Then click on a different window, and the taskbar will go away.
There may be other similar situations with other software, but this is one that happens to me relatively frequently, but not frequently enough that I've learned enough about Windows to try to cure it... seems like you already know way more than me about Windows, so maybe once you produce the situation it will be obvious what the problem is (or at least what an automatic cure might be).
Sad, when we have to spend time making Windows work the way it used to, which is better than how it now does...
|My System Specs
|23 Sep 2011
Well, Glenn, I couldn't reproduce your problem.
So it will be difficult to help you, sorry.
Some explanations about the AHK code:
First, it tries to detect that the TaskBar has lost focus, BUT excludes the satellite objects like the Start Orb Button, the Start menu, ASO.
But I may have missed some things or particular conditions.
Any comment appreciated.
Second, if the TaskBar does have lost focus it hides the TaskBar.
In fact it doesn't hide the TaskBar window, but reduces its visible frame (so called Region) to a zero by zero square (which is not much !).
The only way I know to make the TaskBar reapear again is the AHK code that resets the TaskBar's Region to its original value (WinSet, Region, , ahk_class Shell_TrayWnd, aso ...).
This code is only triggered by Windows-Key, Windows-Key+b or Windows-Key+Tab.
There may be conditions that make the TaskBar reapear without any help from the AHK code, but I didn't saw it up to now.
The code is not perfect...
For example, if the AHK exe is killed while the TaskBar is hidden, it will never reapear ... unless you start the exe again.
... But it is simple and quite clean in its logic.
And it doesn't rely on any Windows patch level.
Hi ...
|My System Specs
|25 Sep 2011
Well, thanks for trying. And thanks for explaining a bit of how it works. I have observed some symptoms since I last wrote, and it seems that possibly you have explained some of it, and I wonder if there is something that could be done to make it better.
First, I will mention that my computer (Windows 7 64-bit) crashes between 0 and a dozen times a day. It seems possible that the last couple rounds of updates from M$ may have improved things a bit, but I'm won't be sure for a couple more weeks. Meanwhile, one of the symptoms that I experience after a crash is that my locked taskbar sometimes vanishes completely, or moves.
The next thing about my computer is that it has two monitors. It seems that the Taskbar and Start Menu Properties dialog allows selection of Taskbar Location as Left Right Top or Bottom, but there is no provision for selection of which monitor! Dragging the Taskbar works, though, to take it to any of the 8 possible locations on the two monitors. After a crash, when it vanishes completely (something I haven't seen for a while) or moves (which has happened pretty regularly, even after a clean shutdown, now) it seems to move from the left edge of the primary monitor (position 0, 0) to the left edge of the secondary monitor (position -1600, 400).
For my next clean shutdown, I'll close your AHK program first, and see if that avoids the above problem.
You mention:
This code is only triggered by Windows-Key, Windows-Key+b or Windows-Key+Tab.
Now on a multiple monitor system, with my task bar on the left edge of the right monitor, I'm noticing a new effect, which I hadn't with my code, and now that you've explained a bit, it may be an artifact of how your code works, but I don't have sufficient Windows knowledge to really understand it... with the task bar auto-hid, your code running (with the LWin:, when I hit the Windows key, the lower 1200 pixels of my task bar suddenly appear on the right edge of the left monitor!
Finally, it seems there are times when the task bar is not at all able to be found by the mouse. It seems to me that when Windows does AutoHide, it reduces the Region to one pixel along the whole edge of the monitor, rather than your described single pixel or less in the corner. Have you tried reducing the Region in a similar manner?
I have discovered, using Google and RegEdit, that in registry key
the last 8 bytes of the Settings value are the width and height of the task bar window. I haven't been able to find anyone that has documented the whole Settings value, nor have I yet had opportunity to look at StuckRects2 when my talkbar suddenly windows up at the left of monitor 2 instead of monitor 1.
But to try out the single row of pixels idea, perhaps this Settings values could be useful, or perhaps you know other ways of determining the size. I haven't figured out how your code restores the original values, or saves them! I'm not an expert in AHK or Windows, just stumble along, with Google's help, when I need something.
|My System Specs
|27 Sep 2011
Windows 7 Starter x32
Taskbar Always on Top Fix - works - MS motive
Deleting / Hiding the KB2515325 Update and the fix application works great - thanks... I have to believe MS has a motive behind the removal of the "Always on Top" toggle option that relates to selling us something or shilling something through an always-visible Taskbar...
|My System Specs
|03 Oct 2011
Well, Glenn, IMO, having the taskbar on the left is by far the best configuration.
Having it at the bottom is not convenient because each task is just represented by a small rectangle whose surface diminishes each time a new task is started. The titles rapidly become unreadable and useless, and it is then uneasy to select the task you want to jump to.
I see no real point in having it at the top.
This leaves Left or Right. My choice goes to Left as it keeps the close button of the last active window accessible.
So I have been using a wide taskbar (one row for each task with the full titles displayed) on the Left since XP.
With XP, when the tasks where too numerous the space were divided into columns. Great.
But a wide TaskBar takes almost one half of the screen. So, it has to be hidden.
This was provided in XP by the old option to disable "keep-taskbar-above-the-other-windows".
It started to be more dificult with Vista and a disaster with Seven as Microsoft, in its great wisdom decided to remove that old option, rendering impossible to have a wide TB on Left.
I insist on the old XP option to disable keep-taskbar-above-the-other-windows: It means the taskbar COMPLETELY disapears of the screen. Not a single pixel left. No area you can move your mouse above to make it popup. Nada.
The display is fully available to the application windows.
But some keys make it reapear (Windows-Key, Windows-Tab...).
So, I have been looking for a bypass or a solution for quite a time, and I ended up developping this small tool myself as I found no really satisfactory solution otherwise.
To come back to your comments about the #xxx AHK code
#:: is triggered when pressing the Windows-Key alone.
The default Windows behaviour is to display the start menu.
The AHK code just includes to show what has been hidden and then sends the Windows-Key... alone.
#Tab:: is triggered when pressing at the same time the Windows-Key and the Tab-Key.
The default Windows XP behaviour is to scroll among all the tasks (quite similar to Alt-Tab).
The Seven equivalent is Windows-Key and t-key, but my fingers are a few cm too short to find this practical.
The AHK code just includes to show what has been hidden and then sends the Windows-Key and t-key.
#b:: same principle for the tray notification area.
See http://windows.microsoft.com/en-US/w...oard-shortcuts .
I never use it, but some may and this is free !
AFAIK there is no possible confusion between all theses parts of the code.
AHK recognises the Window-Key alone because it means the key has been pressed AND released to trigger "#::".
Idem for #Tab. It means Windows-Key pressed then Tab_key pressed-and-released.
So there is particular preseance order to write these parts of the code.
I dont have two monitors so I still cannot see what happens for you.
But once again, the code is not supposed to mess up the position of the Taskbar. It just reduces its visible space to zero or restores it to its original status.
But Windows moves in mysterious ways.
You say your Taskbar sometimes completely disapears. As explained above, this is exactly what the AHK code is supposed to do: Completely hide the taskbar if another window has got the focus.
Use Window-Key combinations above to make it reapear.
You also say you computer crashes, but give no detail.
Obviousy your computer is still working, not crashed. It just suffered some kind of problem you don't describe.
If this occurred just after you started using the AHK program, I would suggest you stop using it as I won't be able to help you a lot.
If there is no connection, you should pinpoint and fix the actual cause of your problem.
Hope this helps anyway.
|My System Specs
|08 Oct 2011
Thanks again for your responses, seventab.
Yes, I don't think the crashes are caused by your code, I was just wondering how your code remembers the real size of the task bar window, or how it shrinks the window to nothing without destroying the original size of the task bar window. And then if somehow the crash was sometimes catching Windows in a state that it couldn't correctly recover from. However, I created a version that mixes my original concept with yours, instead of changing the size of the window, I change
; in SHOW_TRAY
WinSet, AlwaysOnTop, on, ahk_class TaskListThumbnailWnd
WinSet, AlwaysOnTop, on, ahk_class Shell_TrayWnd
; in HIDE_TRAY
WinSet, AlwaysOnTop, Off, ahk_class Shell_TrayWnd
WinSet, AlwaysOnTop, Off, ahk_class TaskListThumbnailWnd
WinSet, Bottom, , ahk_class Shell_TrayWnd
and this is working reasonably well.
I think they are bugs in Windows 7: they have happened since I began using Windows 7. With the last couple batches of Windows 7 updates, the crashes seem to have diminished in frequency, so maybe they are finally starting to address them. I wish I could pinpoint the actual cause of the crashes; however, since Windows 7 uses protected mode, crashes that reboot Windows 7 are clearly Windows 7 or driver problems, not application problems, so it is up to M$ to fix. The last 15 crashes were all the same apparent root cause according to "WhoCrashed": On Sat 10/8/2011 8:43:10 PM GMT your computer crashed
crash dump file: C:\Windows\Minidump\100811-20950-01.dmp
This was probably caused by the following module: ntoskrnl.exe (nt+0x7CC40)
Bugcheck code: 0x124 (0x0, 0xFFFFFA800DF00028, 0xB6002000, 0x87000135)
Error: WHEA_UNCORRECTABLE_ERROR
file path: C:\Windows\system32\ntoskrnl.exe
product: Microsoft® Windows® Operating System
company: Microsoft Corporation
description: NT Kernel & System
Bug check description: This bug check indicates that a fatal hardware error has occurred. This bug check uses the error data that is provided by the Windows Hardware Error Architecture (WHEA).
This is likely to be caused by a hardware problem problem. This problem might be caused by a thermal issue.
The crash took place in the Windows kernel. Possibly this problem is caused by another driver which cannot be identified at this time.
Regarding the possibility of hardware problems, I have run both disk and memory diagnostics. That is not exhaustive, but is a start, I research other tests when I get a chance, so far none has pinpointed a hardware problem. Regarding thermal issues, the problem sometimes happens within minutes of starting the computer after it cooled all night, and sometimes at rest midday when I may or may not be actively using it (but windows are open), and sometimes when the fan is running at a faster speed than its usual steady state, and I have some CPU intensive program running. But it is certainly not consistent. Also, it sometimes seems to be triggered by having too many Firefox tabs open to my local newspaper web site (recordcourier.com), as _many_ of the crashes happen when I browse that site and open a number of tabs, but it also crashes when not viewing that site, or actively interacting with Firefox. Many tabs at that site do often cause the fan to speed up, so I cannot totally rule out a thermal issue, but a fair number of the crashes do happen when the CPU fan is at its lower speed, and when the system is hardly doing anything at all.
You say: To come back to your comments about the #xxx AHK code #:: is triggered when pressing the Windows-Key alone.
I'm using AHK version 1.1.00.01
I'm not sure what version of AHK you are using, but the documentation for the current version at the AHK site claims that # means Windows-Key when it is used as a modifier, but not when used alone. Hotkeys (Mouse, Joystick and Keyboard Shortcuts) Note there is no use of the # without another key following, in any of the examples. And on my system, your #:: hotkey:
(1) does not produce any change in behavior with respect to the taskbar and Start Menu appearing whether I include it in your script or not.
(2) When I do include it, it interferes with a different AHK macro I have running that defines a definition for the "#" (shift 3) key.
You might find it enlightening to play with the following hotkeys, without other AHK macros running. Note that if they are all running at the same time, the first will be occluded by the second.
; shift plus 3 -- only works with a new press of the shift key; holding shift then 2 instances of 3 produces aoeui3
Send aoeui
; pound sign key -- requires the shift key and the 3 key; occludes the above;
; 2 presses of the 3 while shift is held produces dhtnsdhtns
send dhtns
; Windows key plus 3
send 12345
; Windows key plus shift key plus 3
send 67890
|My System Specs
|03 Nov 2011
Windows 7 Ultimate 64
DisableTaskbarOnTop64.exe Startup Error - Explorer Version Unknown...
I'm getting the following error when I start the TaskBarOnTop64.exe on my Windows 7 Ultimate 64 system:
Unknown Explorer version (6.1.76.01.17567), can't apply patch.
Can you update the utility to include this version of Explorer?
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If Farah's Om Shanti Om was an ode to people behind the scenes of Indian cinema, with Ajab Prem Ki Ghazab Kahani, Rajkumar Santoshi pays tribute to the spirited, zany characters that inhabit those scenes in Indian cinema.
Specifically, the Great Indian Slacker Hero whose only superpower, as his name suggests, is simply: Prem. Not the new age Pyaar or Love or Serial Kissing. But the old-fashioned charming Prem, last seen in our cinema of the early Nineties. Our happy-go-lucky epitome of innocent love. The man who would stop at nothing to woo the girl he loves because whether he has a job or not, this is something he does best. His parents may not approve of his ways, but they can't help loving him because Woh Toh Hai Albela (Remember Kabhi Haan Kabhi Naa?)
His equally lukhkha friends are his unconditional support system and they go around singing like they own the place believing Yahan Ke Hum Sikander ( Jo Jeeta Wohi Sikander). And, are street smart, boss! They can con their way into getting what they want (' Aap Mahaan Hai… Aap Purush hi nahin, Maha Purush hai' from Andaaz Apna Apna is now ' Aap Thope Ho, Aap Tho Pope Ho')
Prems are great at friendship (' Dosti Ka Usool Hai: No Sorry, No Thank You' from Maine Pyaar Kiya is updated to 'No complaints, No demands'). When it comes to expressing love, however Rangeela his personality and charm, our hero develops cold feet ( Kya Karen Kya Na Karen?). Also, to complicate things, he sometimes has to deal with competition — like a boyfriend from Pardes.
If you know your Nineties' cinema, you will have a blast laughing out loud with all that referencing and more. And, most of the gags work more effectively as inside jokes. Watch out for that priceless cameo.
Though Farah and Santoshi love and celebrate melodrama with considerable irreverence, Farah sometimes takes her drama too seriously trying to get you to cry, Santoshi is far less ambitious, way too cheeky and more effective. Santoshi employs drama as an over-the-top farce for laughs but mutes it considerably for effect — such as the interval portion where our pipe-climbing expert Romeo slips and falls from the balcony when he learns she has a boyfriend. When Jenny (Katrina Kaif) asks him if he's okay, Prem, with great restraint, gives her the thumbs up.
It's that sort of honesty of intention that makes Ajab Prem… an immensely likeable film. Our hero hasn't grown up yet, and that's precisely what we love about him. Even if he's going all the way to help his girl elope with her boyfriend, he will at least try to sabotage their relationship once. It makes him relatable and human, no matter how comic-book-ish the film feels with its zany alienation devices — be it the talking statue of Lord Wellington asking someone to wipe the crow shit off his back at the beginning of the film or the Good Shepherd Himself showing the hero the way back home.
These comic effects are employed consistently throughout the film to not just make you suspend disbelief, but make you want to send it on a long vacation, and hope it never comes back. We haven't seen so much fun packed into a film in recent times ( Om Shanti Om being a rare exception), and, though it's no Andaz Apna Apna, it's a genuine fan-boy tribute to the quintessential Bollywood hero.
Ranbir Kapoor oozes charm, rocks this role, and this boy proves beyond doubt he's got what it takes to replace Shah Rukh Khan as the Loverboy Superstar of Indian cinema with an infallible Rocket Singh (come on, neither Shimit Amin or Jaideep Sahni have made a bad film all their lives) waiting to drop in next month. And man, he can act.
I will resist from drooling and not say a word about the angelic Katrina Kaif. What the film misses sorely is the nineties Jatin-Lalit score and Farah Khan-ish choreography. Something Santoshi took care of, while recreating the Sixties feel, when Aamir and Salman Khan were last seen having a blast together.
And as for Andaz Apna Apna… No, they don't make films like that any more.
Ajab Prem Ki Ghazab Kahani
Genre: Comedy
Director: Rajkumar Santoshi
Cast: Ranbir Kapoor, Katrina Kaif, Upen Patel, Darshan Jariwala
Storyline: The leader of a bunch of happy-go-lucky slackers falls in love with a beautiful girl. But she has a boyfriend she wants to marry
Bottomline: Aila! Kabhi Andaaz Apna Apna, Kabhi Rangeela…
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I was flapping around the house, answering emails, unearthing clean clothes, trying to make a sandwich from the last scrape of vegemite in the jar. My four-year-old son was eating his cereal one cornflake at a time; proving true the law that says the more you rush, the longer your preschooler will take to do things. Together we laboured over his clothes, debated his need for the toilet, negotiated his socks ("the ones with stars, mummy, not stripes") and then finally got to his shoes
.Oh those shoes. Instead of putting them on his feet – a job he is well versed at – said preschooler threw them down the stairs. Hot bubbles of anger burst in every synapse. You may have experienced this moment before, when you switch with alarming speed from Zen mother to some sort of fire breathing dragon. In fury I shouted, "Would. You. Just. Put. On. Your. Shoes!"
My son's face collapsed. "Don't yell at me," he said, his words an unflinching mirror. I had hurt him terribly. There was only one thing to say; a word easily offered and if sincere, precious to the recipient. I said sorry.
Sometimes I forget to apologise to my two children. It's because I'm too proud to admit my faults, or oblivious to the ways I can hurt them. It's because after years of mother's groups, breastfeeding clinics and play dates, I've become so used to talking about my children that sometimes I neglect to talk honestly to them.
Confessing wrong – not the quick apology you toss when you've accidentally pumped your child's knee, but the heartfelt kind that leaves you vulnerable to another – just isn't part of the preschooler lexicon. We're quick to point out our children's wrongdoings and demand apologies, but much slower to offer them ourselves. Given the trusting nature of children, it's easy to brush over hurt with an extra cuddle while neglecting what needs to be said.
When I sat down on the carpet next to my son and said, "I'm sorry", it showed him how much I value his feelings; that everyone makes mistakes. It also gave him an opportunity to forgive me (which he did, with an earnestness that made my heart burst). This simple exchange, so few in words yet rich in depth, strengthened our bond. And it was just enough to get us through those days when tempers run amok and shoes go flying down the stairs.


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DUBAI, United Arab Emirates (AP) -- The global industry for halal food and lifestyle products -- ones that meet Islamic law standards of manufacture -- is estimated to be worth hundreds of billions of dollars and is multiplying as Muslim populations grow. Producers outside the Muslim world, from Brazil to the U.S. and Australia, are eager to tap into the market.
The United Arab Emirates is positioning itself to be their gateway, part of its push to become a global center of Islamic business and finance.
UAE officials announced last month that the city of Dubai has dedicated around 6.7 million square feet of land in Dubai Industrial City for a "Halal Cluster" for manufacturing and logistic companies that deal in halal food, cosmetics and personal care items.
Dubai Industrial City CEO Abdullah Belhoul said the idea to create a zone just for halal manufacturers was driven by the increased demand locally and internationally for such products.
"This industry itself, we know it is growing," Belhoul told The Associated Press. He said the industry is expected to double in terms of value within five years. "So we think there is a lot of opportunity... and we need to capitalize on this."
The world's Muslim population is estimated at around 1.6 billiion, and the majority is believed to adhere to or prefer to adhere to halal products when possible. The general understanding is that halal products should not be contaminated with pork or alcohol and that livestock is slaughtered in accordance with Islamic Shariah law. Similar to kosher practices, Islam requires the animal is killed with single slash to the throat while alive. It is intended as a way for animals to die swiftly and minimize their pain.
However, as with most issues in religion, opinions vary greatly over what is permissible and what is not. Despite attempts by international Islamic bodies, such as the World Halal Food Council, to achieve worldwide guidelines, there are no global standards for halal certifications.
Stricter interpreters of Shariah say chicken must be slaughtered by hand to be considered halal. Others say it is acceptable if the chicken is slaughtered by machine, as is the case in much of the fast-paced food industry around the world. To accommodate various Muslim consumers, several companies even specify on their packaging how the chicken was slaughtered.
Belhoul said that if halal products are manufactured in the UAE, they will need to be certified halal by the government body that oversees this. But, as with most countries, if the halal products, such as livestock or raw material, are being imported from abroad for processing in the UAE, then the stamp of approval comes from Islamic organizations in the exporting country.
This is where organizations such as Halal Control in Germany have an important role to play, said General Manager Mahmoud Tatari. He said that when the company started 14 years ago in Europe, there was little awareness or demand for halal products. Today, Halal Control has 12 Islamic scholars who offer guidance on certifications to international companies such as Nestle and Unilever who want to do business in the Muslim world.
Halal Control, which concentrates on products made in Europe, does not certify meat and poultry, but almost everything else from dairy products to food ingredients. Tatari said Muslims around the world may think they are eating halal-certified food, but that often raw materials may include alcohol or pork gelatin in candies and soups, or may have been cross-contaminated during production.
"It is a process and this will take maybe now five to 10 years (until) we can more safely eat halal," he said.
Malaysia is the global leader in developing the halal industry and putting forth the highest standards, said Tatari and others in the industry.
Malaysia exported $9.8 billion worth of halal products in 2013, the Oxford Business Group said. That makes it one of the largest suppliers in the Organization of Islamic Cooperation, an international group with 57 members.
U.S. manufacturers, such as Kelloggs and Hershey, plan to build halal-compliant plants in Malaysia. The Oxford Business Group says Indonesia, with the world's largest Muslim population, plans to establish a center for the halal industry in 2015. In Thailand, more than a quarter of food factories are already making halal products.
But it is in the Gulf, where countries almost entirely rely on food imports, where the halal industry seems to have the biggest potential for growth in the coming years.
Brazil is the world's second top exporter of meat and poultry to Muslim-majority countries after the U.S. The Brasil Food Company, which is among the world's largest food companies, plans to open its first manufacturing site in the Middle East in UAE's capital, Abu Dhabi, in June. The factory will process poultry from Brazil for repackaging and shipping to other countries.


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LUBBOCK, Texas (AP) Texas has to cut its carbon emissions by 39 percent by 2030 under new federal requirements. The EPA is giving the state at least three years to develop a plan to reach that goal. It says states need to make power plants more efficient, reduce their reliance on coal and invest in renewable energy sources. Attorney General Greg Abbott -- the Republican nominee for governor -- says the federal policies will kill jobs and he'll keep fighting them.
GALVESTON, Texas (AP) Federal agencies are holding a week of hearings on the March collision that spilled about 170,000 gallons of fuel oil in the Houston Ship Channel. Officials say the hearings aren't intended to determine who was at fault for the collision of a barge and a freighter. The accident snarled waterway traffic for five days.
WACO, Texas (AP) McLennan County has hired a former prosecutor to handle appeals in a capital murder case. John Bradley was voted out of office in Williamson County two years ago after he fought efforts to exonerate Michael Morton, who was wrongfully imprisoned for killing his wife.
NEW YORK (AP) Joel Osteen is getting his own channel on satellite radio. SiriusXM says the channel will air his sermon at Yankee Stadium in New York on Saturday and rebroadcast past sermons. It will also feature a live call-in show hosted by Osteen and his wife. Osteen preaches to 40,000 people weekly at his Houston mega-church.


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The other day it was reported American Amanda Knox (who had been convicted in Italy of the murder of British student Meredith Kercher in Perugia in November 2007, had seen that conviction overturned in 2011, and then saw that overturning itself overturned in March 2013) had sent an email from the U.S. – via her Italian lawyers – to the appeals court in Florence. That court is expected to rule in January on the original conviction. In the email, Knox maintains her innocence, and again asserts she was mistreated by Italian authorities.
The specifics of the case, and her claims, are not the concern here. Rather, given Knox's email, suddenly I flashed back once again to an NPR piece from March 2008, a scant five months after the murder. It addressed the issue of U.S. students in Florence, and may be worth revisiting here briefly:
Every year, tens of thousands of young Americans decide to take a year and study abroad. But in places such as Florence, Italy, reports of widespread binge drinking and rowdy behavior are increasingly causing concern….
….Many of the Americans have never traveled outside their home states before. And some turn the entire school semester into one long spring break….
What is evident about Knox is not how unique she was in Italy, but that prior to the murder it seems she was unremarkable there. As with others, she appears to have viewed her sojourn mostly as a get away from home lark. Similarly, her lifestyle seems to have been, one might say, fueled by finding herself able to enjoy alcohol legally and frequent bars and clubs for the first time…. at age 20.


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As I write these words I am seething towards my parents.
I don't even like that word for them.
Granted there are worse.
However, my mother's control issues piss me off to no end.
I'm 18 years of age. I can legally vote, smoke, buy porn and rent a hotel room.
I cannot, however, take walks at night. Go anywhere alone. Use public transit. She expects the school to call if I don't show up to my 7:00 AM class (when school starts ay 8:00) because I might have died on the way there.
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Did you every cry so hard you soul bled out I never have but I think I would very much like too and I never cry it is almost a physical impossiblity for me and why does it hurt so much to not hurt numbness is never good and I
Attempting creativity.
I can count how many times I felt cool since puberty on one hand, but today, I realized just how cool I am. I won
Oh the afternoon. The sun is out and if I were outside I might hear birds and see squirrels. Mother nature is dangling the sensations of spring in my face, the sick motherfucker!
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I went everyone to know
This is who I am, This is who I am
But what if I'm not what I say
Its a lie, Its a lie
Just like before
I want an excuse
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Im telling myelf a lie to be different
I brainwashed myself
I dont know the truth
Who I am, What I say, nothing is true
I just want attention
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So were going to the bar to play pool...sounds like fun...
volunteering. intellectual illumination. an apology.
So hey, I haven't written much in a while.
So I've got a significant other, I suppose. I'm pretty sure I'd call him my "boyfriend," but I've come to the understanding that this is something one asks, and not something one assumes.
At any rate, so much to talk about.
It all started about two months ago. I was talking to Alex online, and he told me that he was talking to this guy Alfred; someone who had contacted me, but I didn't feel any "chemistry," and I don't think he did either. So, nothing came of that. Alex was SO upset about this. He accused me of all sorts of things. In the end, he and Stef, my two best friends, said that I should give people a chance, and to lower my expectations a bit. So, I did, sorta.
I tried locating those lost seven hours...but to no avail. Oh well, all is good in the House of Debauchery.
What is wrong with strait friends? Maybe its just my strait friends. Take my best friend for example; She is one of my favorite people in the whole world, and I love her to death, but every now and again she will say or do something amazingly rude, or make some narrow minded assumption. There is a huge disparity there, something that we can't seem to overcome. On some level we just don't understand where eachother is coming from.


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According to Mike Jones of The Washington Post, Redskins quarterback Robert Griffin III feels like he's ready to get on the field and practice with his teammates when training camp opens up later this week. A person familiar with the second-year quarterback's physical and mental health said this week that Griffin's knee — the same in which he tore his right anterior cruciate ligament in 2009 and then this past January suffered damage to his lateral collateral ligament, ACL and meniscus — "feels great," and that Griffin believes that he has done everything possible to meet his stated goal of returning for the opening of camp. The person, who spoke on the condition of anonymity because he wasn't authorized by the Redskins to speak publicly on the matter, said Griffin continues to run and cut without pain or limitation. In order for Griffin to get on the field right away with his teammates, Dr. James Andrews will need to medically clear him. However, the decision on whether Griffin receives the green light to practice this week rests with James Andrews, the sports orthopedic surgeon who serves as a team consultant and spends every game on the Redskins' sideline. Andrews, who has met with Griffin periodically to monitor his process since conducting his surgery in January, will examine his knee extensively Wednesday. He will determine then just how ready Griffin really is to return to the field, and relay that opinion to the Redskins. The Redskins declined to make Andrews available for interview for this story. If Andrews determines that Griffin isn't ready to practice fully, Washington could place the quarterback on the physically unable to perform list. That would prevent him from practicing while he further strengthens his knee with running and other drills under the direction of the team's trainers. Need NFL Tickets? Loading... The post Report: RG3 "feels great" wants to practice right away appeared first on Pro Football Zone.
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USB supreme court backs Apple in Palm Pre kerfuffle
The USB Implementers Forum has decreed that Apple has not violated industry standards by preventing the Palm Pre from accessing iTunes. When Palm released the Pre over the summer, it synced up nicely with Apple's online music and media fiefdom, cleverly masquerading as an iPod. But Jobs and company soon put a stop to such …
Bashing head against brick wall...
Why is Palm being so boneheaded about this? No one is stopping them from syncing with media stored on their users' computer. If they want to use Apple's library so they can get playlists, etc then the library is stored as a XML file with documented format. This is how other vendors are syncing with iTunes!
@Drew Scott
It's because Palm are lazy shits and want to ponce off of the back of somebody else's labour. Upgrades for free, fixes for free etc.
Moral Crusade
So it comes out that Palm are the ones breaking the 'rules' rather than Apple. How embarrassing for them. Will they give up quietly now, or turn this into some groundless freetardlike moral crusade.
Or Maybe...
Yes they may want Apple to do the work, but surely this is good for Apple. It's another device that will let people continue to use iTunes & the Apple store. Doesn't this make it easier for the customer too ? instead of having to use 2 bits of software to use. If it wasn't for the fact I have an iPod and an iPhone, I would be using Amazons MP3 service - it's cheaper than Apple in the UK!
If Apple want to stay the market leader in online music, they should let other people in. Palms breaking of the rules not withstanding.
Palm fail
Fingers will now fall off
Although I agree that Palm were in the wrong to use another vendor ID, I also think that Apple are being their usual shit eating selves by allowing the primary media library on OSX to synch only with iPods. If this were Microsoft with Windows Media Player think of the witch hunt that would ensue.
Allowing 3rd parties to write their own software is an AWFUL solution. Just look at all the shit that third parties put on your computer for printers, cameras, phones etc. Windows comes under criticism for having lots of bloat, but Apple are encouraging it, and confusing their customers at the same time. What happens when the customer gets a new MP3 player? Are they going to uninstall their old software? In my experience, no they won't.
Apple use their OS to sell more iPods, a practice which is as detestable as it is lapped up by every fanboi with more money than sense.
But ...
Palm offered Apple zillions of dollars to help in Apple's development and implementation of iTunes didn't they?
They didn't?
@Drew Scott
It's corporate idiocy at its very worst. Someone came up with the good idea of the Pre palming off as an iPod when connecting to iTunes. No-one pointed out the bloody obvious that it is in fact a stupid idea that's bound to fail in the real world once Apple knew what they were doing.
Now all they are doing is backing their idea until they run out of courts and/or money until the inevitable face loss...or Palm are working virulently behind the scenes to get to an out-of-court settlement whilst the public law show is a distraction.
Freetardary doesn't come into it. Entitletardary does.
Anyway, Palm are clearly in the wrong here. And remember, if iTunes was a MS app it'd be encrypted and DRM'd to hell and back. It's surprising how often Apple gets things right.
I bet freetardiness
Palm should not fake another ID in a shipped device
however, I don't think it would be wrong to ship an app that temporarily changes the identity until the next reboot.
@Drew Scott
Unfortunately, it seems that Apple change the library format with every major release of iTunes. Have you not noticed the "Updating Library" dialogue box?
As I see it, both Palm and Apple are being boneheaded.
Apple should see this as an opportunity. The more devices which sync with iTunes the more revenue they'll get from the iTunes store. *Ka-Ching!*
Palm should play by the rules. They should also have tried to go into discussions with Apple over trying to get an agreement to sync their device.
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Surely they should just piggy back off winamp, the superior syncing application. As i recall iTunes was a bloated old hag of a program and kept doing weird syncing/backups when i didnt want it too.
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You know, Amazon's MP3 service supplies a program that automatically imports your purchase into iTunes for you.
No, if iTunes was an MS app they'd have been dragged before the supreme court for not letting World + Dog have free & open access.
the answer to all this is simple, stop buying low grade music from iTunes, get it from somewhere that doesn't compress the hell out of the music...
"I also think that Apple are being their usual shit eating selves by allowing the primary media library on OSX to synch only with iPods"
The library can be synced with other devices, just not by using iTunes.
"Allowing 3rd parties to write their own software is an AWFUL solution"
Are you truly stupid or just so much of an Apple hater, that when talking about them you can't help the drivel that comes out?
Why should Apple spend their time and money to offer support for the competitions hardware?
iTunes is Apples software used to sync to Apple hardware.
Do you also want HP to offer support for Epson and Cannon Printer in thier drivers?
3rd parties writing software to support their own hardware is entirely the point. If they can't or won't support their own device in that basic way, then I don't want their device.
Why buy hardware that the manufacturer doesn't fully support, instead expecting another company to do the job for them?
" Apple are encouraging it, and confusing their customers at the same time"
By that rationale, every Printer, camera and peripheral manufacturer is confusing their customers when they give drivers/software for their devices, whether on Windows or Mac OS.
"Apple use their OS to sell more iPods, a practice which is as detestable as it is lapped up by every fanboi with more money than sense".
You obviously haven't used OSX if you think it is just a platform to sell iPods. This statement alone singles you out as a trolling simpleton.
And the old "Macs are expensive" argument? Are they? seriously?
I honestly don't class them as anything near expensive.
It would seem your issue is probably that Burger King aren't paying you enough, so just because you can't afford a Mac, you have to hate them instead.
@Alan 6
Alan 6 wrote: "the answer to all this is simple, stop buying low grade music from iTunes, get it from somewhere that doesn't compress the hell out of the music..."
Yeah that's right. Buy it from Amazon and load it into iTunes anyway...
And to all the other retards who don't yet know - MP3s are MP3s, you can always use drag and drop!!
Simple answer?
How much would it cost Palm to build their own iTunes syncing app?
Take that figure and offer it as the fee for a perpetual license to Apple, plus an annual fee for "support".
If Apple bite, then Apple get not only this fee but all profit from future sales on iTunes made by Palm owners.
(Some terms would no doubt need to be negotiated - depends on the revenue from iPod/iTune sales).
If Apple do not bite, bring in the regulators to investigate.
iTunes is the de facto media MP3/media manager on all platforms bar Linux. They have the monopoly (and for good reason, iTunes is fairly good at what it does; certainly better than any of the alternatives). Apple need to be compelled to act like a benevolent monopolist, not a bunch of shits.
Hmm...even better...force Apple to standardise the library format and have it made an ISO standard. Any device that uses the standard can sync. But that would be too damned easy.
If this was MS doing the same thing, the Apple/Linux fanbois would be up in arms. But as it is Apple, Saint Jobs does no wrong and we must all hail the Cupertino Overfiends.
@Stephen Usher
Stephen Usher wrote: "Unfortunately, it seems that Apple change the library format with every major release of iTunes. Have you not noticed the "Updating Library" dialogue box?"
It's XML. They might add a new tag in there from time to time but as far as I know, they don't change the tag names, so once you know how to read it, you always can.
Re: @windywoo
See, this is the moderator's conundrum - how to allow people to respond fairly to others but not let it descend into girlie fisticuffs.
Less of the direct insults, please?
Macs *are* expensive. I have no particular loyalty, and would probably get a Mac if I could afford one. But I can't. Anyway, as you were.
I use iTunes
I use iTunes to sync my music and podcasts to my Apple TV, as it stands I need to manually keep another app in sync with iTunes so I can keep my Sony Walkman in sync, why? because Apple insists in keeping it's software locked up.
Palm should be demanding access along with the other manufacturers, iTunes is in effect a monopoly.
I'd have to agree with windywoo
Palm went about this the wrong way.
Of course they were bound to lose by complaining to the USB standards authority, as it was their device, not apples that was implementing the USB standard incorrectly by faking the devices ID.
This is a big no-no for so many obvious reasons.
The immoral and monopolistic behaviour is actually in the Itunes code that forces lock-in to ONLY Apple devices. Again, this type of behaviour would not be tollerated from the more established and mature companies like Intel and MS.
As for the whole spunging arguement? Grow up. The customer might using a different device, but they are still buying all their music through Itunes and the Apple store, which makes Apple more money in the long term than the single sale of an Ipod (which has a aggresively low profit margin specifically to ensure rapid adoption of the Apple store).
It's the same culture of corporate arrogance that you see in all young companies that experience sudden and explosive growth.
Apples behaviour and general tendancy to lock in or lock down is steadily drawing attention to the fact that they are no longer selling highly custom and proprietry products to niche markets. The Ipod is just an mp3 player, no different to the other miriad of mp3 players on the market, and their Itunes software does not rely on or require the device in any way to function correctly. This was the same arguement that defeated MS in the IE case.
These deliberate attempts to block other organisations from using their standards and protocols are dangerous waters, and stiffle innovation. It's only a matter of time before some clever legal team establish that Apple are a monopoly on SOME level, and when that happens hevy sanctions will be levied
@Stephen Usher
>"Unfortunately, it seems that Apple change the library format with every major release of iTunes. Have you not noticed the "Updating Library" dialogue box?"
You're terribly confused. The iTunes library is used only by iTunes. If they do change it every release, so what? Nobody cares. The only people who have to deal with it are the iTunes programmers.
The XML file, on the other hand, is essentially a copy of the library in an open format for use by third parties. iTunes itself does not use this for anything. It does not get changed every release. It's there so everybody else can happily interoperate with iTunes in any ol' way they like.
Simple, no? Maybe Palm can use this, like--I dunno--RIM maybe? Works for them....
Gary F 1
you've just saved my fingers:)
As expected ...
... thank god, or there'd be no justice in the world.
Palm effectively complained that Apple had changed the lock to their front door and Palm's cloned key no longer worked. Well that's just tough, and it was clear to everyone - except Palm apparently - who was in the wrong here.
Palm have however got off lightly because, while everyone is entitled to choose what opens their doors, Palm broke the rules by creating a clone key and masquerading as something they were not. How Palm ever thought the USB consortium would ever decide otherwise is beyond me, as is how they thought that Apple would continue to let them get away with it.
Palm have made themselves a laughing stock. Talk about five-finger shufflers.
1) So should HP be slapped for not allowing Cannon printers to use their drivers and software? Should Kodak be allowed to spoof Sony's ID so that their cameras can operate as camcorder inputs into Sony's proprietary software? No. And here's the big one: Should PALM then not be forced to allow APPLE'S iPhone to sync with Palm Desktop!?!?! I'm sure Palm would have serious issue with that (as they DID prevent numerouscompetitors from doing just that!)
2) iTunes is not a market, its an application. A FREE application in a field of other FREE software that directly competes on features. Music is the market, and there's no lock-in with the music sold by Apple, it's not proprietary to their devices (even when it was, all one needed to do was rip to CD and back again, LEGALLY, and fully supported by Apple's EULA), iTunes plays any MP3 files, and any software that wants to can freely (again, supprtoed undedr the EULA) connect to the XML file and sync anything, including playlists, ratings, and more. iTunes actually isn't even so much an application, but a DRIVER, not at all different from the proprietary software that comes with your ATI video card, or an HP printer, that only works with their devce even though it does things very similar to other devices. This software was developed by Apple at their won cost. They HAVE a legitimate plug-in interface which can be cheaply licensed and used, and have provided free (no license) access to the XML file for anyone to access and use.
3) Music sales in iTunes, though massive, are not higer profit than the iPod segment of their business. iTunes REVENUE, yes, much higher, but the PROFIT is less, even more so when you strip out TV, Movie, and App purchases. Even the smallest iPod, the shuffle, costs only $26 to make out of it's $79 street price (about $62 wholesale), so a roughly $40 profit per unit sold... The Touch has closer to a $80 profit per unit and the iPhone more than $200. I'd not call a 30-60% profit margin "reduculously slim", in fact its quite HIGH considering the norm in the industry is only 15%... Apple, profits only pennies per track from music sales, and has often stated that the iTunes MUSIC store itself doesn't do much more than cover it's own costs, it exists to prop iPod sales. In the 5 year history, the store has only cleared 8.5 billion songs (as of Sept 2009), and at a profit of about $0.09 per song, that's less than $1B in total profit over 5 years. Apple profits nearly $2B anually, and it's no secret iPods out-profit Mac Sales. This CLEARLY demonstrates facts that prove the iTunes store can not possibly outprofit the iPod.
4) Even if Apple did have a Monopoly on the MUSIC market (not the music management application market, since there is no such thing) it is NOT illegal to BE a monopoly (they're actually not even #1 in the music market, btw). The government does not differentiate between physical and digital music sales as seperate markets, since no matter HOW a comsumer gets music, it can all go onto their computers and portable devices. Still, Apple has less than 70% of the total DEVICE sales for DIGITAL music. Even at 95%, the generally accepted monopoly mark, they'd not only have to acheive that goal, but they would actually have to USE that staus to ACTIVELY PREVENT other competitors from entering the market, or use their status to acheive monopoly rank in a different market segment.
5) Apple has provided more OSS than any of the other major firms, and has steered the industry to advance in numerous market segments. They've been part of more than a dozen standards groups and promoted USB, FireWire, 802.11, DisplayPort, ExpressCard, GCD, Darwin, various C++ extensions, WebKit, and many, many, many more. iTunes is a good program, which is why it's popular, and Apple PARTNERS with multiple companies for iTunes integration and offers support for syncing in multiple ways. They have done NOTHING to prevent Palm from writing their own integration, they have simply prevented Palm from doing so using an unsupported USB method that causes expenses on Apple's behalf to deal with code errors and device validation they've never before had to account for, and for Apple to take the rist that if they did NOT prevent this integration, that future updates would allienate potentially millions of iTunes users when their experienced support later broke with an update. If Apple makes it clear from the beginning that they do not support direct integration, then customers can't later be dissapointed.
iTunes is not a protocol, it's not a standard. It is an APPLICATION, used to manage, update, control firmware for, and report errors in Apple devices. It;s a driver suite. It happens to ALSO include a music management system, but that's just a fancy GUI backended by a FLAT FILE SYSTEM, and OPEN SOURCE XML DATABASES!!! IT IS FREE TO USE, IT IS NOT PROPRITARY, it just takes EFFORT on PALM'S side to use it.
@The BigYin
"force Apple to standardise the library format and have it made an ISO standard"
please read the rest of the comments on this thread - and every other time this topic has been mentioned on El Reg
last i was aware, XML is a restricted subset of SGML which is ISO standard 8879
iTunes library is accessable via XML
Palm just need to put a couple of hours work in to build an app that'd parse the file. there's tons of 3rd party shareware apps that do this, i don't understand why Palm have so much trouble
Re: Gary F 1
"Why should Apple spend their time and money to offer support for the competitions hardware?"
No one asked them to, Palm spent their time and money giving their customers a choice, Apple spent their time and money trying to remove that choice. Twice.
"Do you also want HP to offer support for Epson and Cannon Printer in thier drivers?"
No they shouldn't, but wait until HP figures out a way to make you use only HP paper in their printer.
"3rd parties writing software to support their own hardware is entirely the point. If they can't or won't support their own device in that basic way, then I don't want their device.
Why buy hardware that the manufacturer doesn't fully support, instead expecting another company to do the job for them?"
What software? The driver? You mean "USB removable Storage" driver? The same driver that just about ALL USB based media players use. The one built into windows? That driver?
All Palm did was change their "VEN_8721&DEV_0034" into Apple's "VEN_1092&DEV_0021" on their usb chip. So that restrictions put in place by Apple would not apply, and iTunes would think it was an iPod.
Palm wasn't asking Apple give their Pre owners tech support. Palm was just letting users of iTunes continue to use the program they were used to using, and Apple was getting money from songs sold on iTunes.
You could always use Winamp with your Pre, and it's free as well. Palm was just giving their customers choices. Apple on the other hand, was trying to stop their iTunes users from using something other than an iPod.
Apple on numerous occasions Apple changed their iPod database format, which in turn screwed up my ability to use Winamp with my iPod. They were taking away my choice. Paying money again to take away my choice.
"I honestly don't class them as anything near expensive."
Really, because I can go buy all the exact x86 based hardware that is in a new Mac, and pay one third the price. I could load OSX on it with all of it's built in drivers and it would be the same. But I can't, because OSX looks for the little Apple TPM chip. Same exact hardware, but the OS is crippled. I know, because people hacked the piece of code to ignore that chip, and it loads right up.
"...you can always use drag and drop!!"
Sorry, no you cannot, Apple designed their iPod to be worthless without iTunes. If you drag and drop MP3s onto your iPod, you cannot listen to them on your iPod.
The reality is that if I buy something, it is mine. I will do with it as I please. If I want to use Winamp with my iPod, I will. If I buy music from iTunes, I will listen to it on whatever I choose.
I know there are people out there that think because some EULA says otherwise, that what I think is wrong.
What kind of sorry loser sits at home and thinks it's ok for other people to decide what they can and can't do with their own personal property. If they take my money, and give me their product, I will do as I damn well please, our transaction is complete, their input on my actions after that is neither welcome nor taken into consideration. But the EULA, the EULA? That's simple, I don't read EULAs, therefore I have no idea what they say. I don't care. If sell sell someone my car, and as they drive off I yell "only put Super Unleaded in it from Esso" No one would think the person I sold it to is now under a verbal contract to forever put gas from Esso in it..
Not just good with chewing gum and paper clips!
Nicely put there MacGyver - whole heartedly agree!
Now, isn't there a nuclear power plant entering melt down that you sould be doing something about?
Please read Michael Cs reasoned and very well constructed reply a few posts up.
He pretty much invalidates all of your points in a reasonable, friendly and detailed way. (Much better and nicer than I would or could have).
Lets just put it simply for all of you Palm apologists / Apple haters.
1) Apple is not stopping you from putting your purchased music on other devices.
2) ITunes is essentially a glorified driver, firmware manager and music organiser written for use with iPods / iPhones.
3) Palm could (and should) have provided their own software to organise and sync that exact same music, but instead chose to leech from Apples own software.
4) Apple have no obligation to provide any drivers or music organisation software for any other device (and I ask again, why on earth should they do this for the competitions hardware?).
5) And once again, for those in the cheap seats, the downloaded music can be used without iTunes, and can be synced to other devices, IF your hardware manufacturer can be bothered to provide THEIR customers with the means.
Put more simply:
i) Purchased music - usable on other software and devices.
ii) Free iTunes software - a device driver / music organiser for purchasers of iPods / iPhones (Apples paying customers).
"Palm spent their time and money giving their customers a choice"
No, they spent nothing and then fooled their customers into believing that syncing with iTunes was a done deal.
Its amazing that you defend Palm in this.
You talk like Palm have made every possible effort to enable music to be synced to the Pre, when in reality, they tried taking the easiest, cheapest (and dodgiest) route and got caught out.
And somehow this is Apples fault.
Really, take off the blinkers.
You're wrong. And it's not because Apple's iTunes is a glorified driver and sync app for their iPod / iPhone products either: it's because there's a serious technical principle at stake.
The whole point of having vendor and model IDs for USB products is because programmers need to know what the hell you've just plugged into your computer.
The Palm Pré is NOT an iPod. It says so right there on the box: "Palm Pré" not "Apple iPod". So why is it deliberately pretending to be something it's not?
The IT world has hardware interface standards for a f*cking reason.
Any programmer will tell you why you really do need to know exactly what your program is trying to talk to. If iTunes thinks a Pré is an iPod, it may well try and reflash it, bricking the device. And guess who will get the blame for it! (Hint: not Palm.) Most people don't fully understand the distinction between hardware and software, so there's no reason to assume they'll realise iTunes does not, in fact, have a valid update file for their Pré.
For this alone, I'm with Apple and the USB Industry Group. If you're going to do something, do it *right*. Don't cut corners.
Palm's approach is primarily about cutting support costs by foisting them onto a rival. What are Apple supposed to do when a customer phones / emails to whine about iTunes not being able to upgrade their "MP3 phone thing", or run apps from the App Store, or play rented movies..? Apple's support team will now have to be trained to ensure the customer is actually using an Apple device first.
And if the customer replies with, "Erm, it says 'Palm' on the edge. Does that help?" what is the support person supposed to do? Hang up? Tell the customer to phone Palm, who would probably just tell the customer to phone Apple again? Apple have a good track record when it comes to customer support, but Palm's trick forces them into an awkward position when it comes to public perception. They'd look bad either way.
As others have pointed out, syncing 3rd-party devices to an iTunes library, with its playlists, etc. is EASY technically: it's just XML. It's documented. It's an open standard. It's been used happily by the likes of RIM for their Blackberry devices for ages. What the hell was Palm's problem?
Finally, some information for the terminally ignorant:
- iTunes is not a profit goldmine for Apple. They make a few cents per song at most. They make far more money from their iPods / iPhones. The iTunes Store is an incentive to buy the hardware, not vice-versa.
- The iTunes store is NOT A MONOPOLY: A few seconds on Google shows Amazon sell MP3s. Napster sell MP3s. 7Digital sell MP3s. Even bloody *Tesco* sells MP3s! There's a more complete list here: http://www.mp3storeguide.com/
- iTunes is also not the only free music syncing application on Earth. There are dozens of others, many of which are free too. If iTunes is still popular despite that competition, the reason is simple: Apple's software and UI designers must be pretty good at their jobs. That other developers suck at both is NOT Apple's fault. This is what competition is *for*.
@MacGyver (again)
"What kind of sorry loser sits at home and thinks it's ok for other people to decide what they can and can't do with their own personal property."
And your point is...?
If I bought a low-end FIAT Punto—to use your own car analogy—would I expect it to tow a large trailer? Would I complain that it can't hold 7 people in comfort with all their luggage? No. Because that's not what it was designed for, neither do FIAT make any such claims.
When I use iTunes, I do NOT expect it to treat non-Apple MP3 players as native devices. Why? Because Apple make no claims that it will.
Yet you seem to believe that they do. Why?
@Gary F
I don't know where to begin because plainly reading is not your strong point. You have read all sorts of bollocks into my statement that wasn't there, or didn't read what was there.
I can afford a Mac thanks, have two, don't think they're anything special and certainly not worth paying extra for. Lucky I bought them as spares and repaired them or I would have wasted money. This is what irks me about Apple, their products are nothing special, they just look nice and people will lap that up.
All your points about other companies drivers fall to bits because Apple provides an operating system, not just peripherals. They allow other companies routers to work with Macs because they know they would be screwed if they didn't. They have to allow other companies printers to work with their OS because again they would be screwed. But since Apple make a media player and a phone they decide not to allow other products to work with the Media Library application of their own OS. They pick and choose as they please what should work and what shouldn't.
By the way, I am not suggesting that Apple write this software, just that they allow other companies to write drivers so that they can synch PROPERLY with iTunes, from within iTunes itself, not the third party company's software. Of course printer companies have to write their own software to make their products work, but frequently they go beyond what is necessary to make the hardware work and install all sorts of tray loading crap. Apple is encouraging this sort of bloat by refusing to allow other companies products to synch through iTunes, thus disadvantaging their customers. You can synch through all sorts of other programs but face it, the average computer user is not too well educated about computers and doesn't want the hassle of working out how to use another shitty piece of software for their phone. I should know, I help people with this sort of thing as a living, not Burger King thanks.
If this were Microsoft, the haters would be all over them crying monopoly. Well Apple is damn close to a monopoly with iTunes, and even if they aren't at that level yet, its still double standards to allow them to get away with this.
Sara Bee where did I hand out personal insults? I insulted a group of people, not one individual. You should see the crap they spout over at macrumors about PCs and Microsoft. Insult a lot of people and you get away with it. Insult one particular person and its a forum violation. In fact its Apple's followers that have pretty much set me against Apple. I bought a little second hand Mac and went to a Mac site to learn more about it. When I got there, the lies they told about PCs, the exaggerations made me not want to be associated with Apple. Apple's own marketing is such a crock of shit that it reinforced my feeling as well. Copy and Paste, on the iPhone marketed as if its something novel and innovative. Macs made out to be some sort of Fort Knox when in fact hackers just couldn't be bothered to attack them.
Paris because she's famous just for her looks too.
If any other vendor had limited their access to apple devices, you´ll see a lot of Apple users complainign of lack of interoperability. For instance, MICROS**T WMP supports lots and lots of devices. Why itunes only supports apple´s products being one of the main music content providers is beyond me. Noone is demanding support from apple. Palm is providing support for Pre users with itunes (I know this matter of factly). Palm went about it the wrong way, but they are making a point in the fact that providing options is good.
I propose that every vendor locks apple devices out and we´ll see: FAN BOYS,FAN BOYS , WHAT YOU GONNA DOOOO, WHAT YOU GONNA DO WHEN THEY COME FOR YOU.....
There's lot's of boneheaded behaviour being displayed here, and most of it seems to be by those supporting apple.
This isn't about Palm being "too lazy" to write their own application. This is about end users who already use iTunes extensively, because for most of them, they don't even understand that alternatives exist. Apples decision to "lock out" Pre users is an artificial restriction introduced for no other reason than to make it harder for end users to use a Pre. That's anti-competitive, plain and simple, and anyone who argues that Apple is doing the right thing needs a poke in the eye (especially the bonehead who suggests that Apple shouldn't "spend their time and money" supporting other hardware (which they aren't doing), but apparently thinks that they should spend their time and money introducing artificial restrictions to the end users environment.
Go Palm, and keep putting your end users interests first!!!!!
What if...
What if Microsoft sold printers, and rigged Microsoft Word so that it would only print on Microsoft printers?
Microsoft does sell mice. What if they blocked Logitech USB mice using the vendor ID?
I understand that Apple wants people to buy iPods, but I hate it that they are, on purpose, blocking a functionality that it working.
So it's okay for Apple to spoof hardware encryption so the iPhone can pretend to support a security mechanism enterprise admins who run MS Exchange might attempt to enforce, and so that Apple can attempt to gain enterprise market share by lying about their device's capabilities, but it's not okay for Palm to spoof Apple's device id to make life easier for iTunes users who happen to prefer the Pre to the iPhone? Pfft.
Can't say I care for the approach of either company
Firstly Palm breaking the standard; just because they have good intentions doesn't make it right
Secondly Apple; what can I say... they're just pig headed.
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