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The Bad Math Guy
Does anyone else have that one friend who insists on grabbing the check from the waiter? He hides it like it's a top secret document, then tells everyone what they owe. You throw in your share and then inevitably he lets his guard down and someone grabs the check from him and realizes he's asked everyone for $3-4 to little and this was going to come out of the servers tip portion of the bill. For the life of me I can never understand why people who can't figure out what 20-25% is, grab the bill.
I know it's a silly question, but it always seems like the mathematically challenged person in the group always grabs the bill.
re: kengk
I don't know what the standard is, but I do know that some places are upping the automatic gratuity on large parties from 18% to 20%. My rule is 20% minimum unless the server does something completely obnoxious. If I know the place, the server or if the service is top notch, I have no problem giving 25%. Also, if I'm in a diner or something for breakfast and my meal is, say $10.20, I have no problem throwing $15 in.
re: jhopp217
and, much like jhopp217, if i'm in a gastropub and a drink costs $6, i'll tip the same amount as would if the drink costs $10.
re: westsidegal
re: jhopp217
I've scanned the thread and not seen anyone ask (although I could be missing it), is it possible your friend wants to avoid 'overtipping guy' from getting the bill?
I tip roughly 15% and I'm fine with that. I throw in extra occasionally, sure, and I don't care about going a few bucks over especially on a small bill. But I don't think everyone at the table needs to feel obliged to do 20-25%, and perhaps he is reacting to that, even if he won't admit it when caught.
re: julesrules
You may be right, but it wouldn't mesh with his nature. He'll do this stuff and then we'll walk into a place and he'll buy a round, when we're all chipping in. very generous fellow.
I'm not judging anyone, but in NY and major cities, 15% is the way of a long long time ago. 18% minimum is expected these days, with 20% almost assumed
re: julesrules
That was my first reaction. I would rather calculate a 15% tip to be split and if someone wants to throw in a couple more bucks they can.
re: kengk
I don't care if it is cheap, but I will forever stay at 15% unless it is beyond exceptional service. The beautiful thing about a percentage is that it increases with inflation, so I think 15% can always be the right amount. As inflation increases, so do menu prices and, in turn, the amount of tip even if the percentage stays at 15%.
The exception to the 15% when it isn't beyond exceptional service is when there is an automatic gratuity for a group, but I find it ironic in that those are usually the situations where the service is most lacking, such as an empty water glass for a large portion of the meal and the server nowhere in sight to ask for more.
I'm actually the one who grabs the check, mostly to make sure there is a 20%-ish tip. It is painful to watch others try and do it. I don't know why is it so difficult, and maybe I have a head for numbers, but coworkers who have advanced degrees in everything still can't manage the restaurant check. So, I just do it outright, and it is almost assumed I'll do it.
re: Terrie H.
When it comes to simple math, I go into A Beautiful Mind/Good Will Hunting mode, haha. I find it comical when you ask someone what 20% of $200 is and they immediately say $40, but when you ask what 20% of $170 is, they go into convulsions.
re: jhopp217
I'm not terribly good at math, but it's pretty easy to figure out 10% of the total and then double it, even for me.
re: EWSflash
I base it on the tax, at least you can start with that percentage. Here it's almost 9% so if you double it and round it up it's a good starting point.
re: Terrie H.
Too many want all diners to go for 20%, or more, then pocket the cash, and leave 10%. Not cool.
I refuse to dine with such folk any more.
re: Bill Hunt
Good Lord, Bill, you've really seen that done? I'm amazed at the nerve.
re: EWSflash
I had a boss who would go out with a group of us for dinner, collect money from each of us, then put it on his company credit card and be reimbursed by the company for the whole amount. We were supposed to be impressed that he knew how to fiddle the system.
re: KaimukiMan
I bet HIS boss would have been impressed to know how he was ripping off the company!
re: KaimukiMan
I experienced something like that in college. Freshman, newly arrived, had to do a group service project with others on my floor. After the project we all went out to lunch. At the end of the meal everyone threw in their money, except for one girl who said she didn't have a chance to get cash, so she would just use her credit card. As she organized all the money into a neat pile, she commented that she was going to put the entire bill on the card and keep the cash. Some kids made the usual rumblings that "oh no, that's a lot of money, you can ask them to just charge your portion" but she waved her hand and said no, she preferred to do it like that, because "her grandmother paid the credit card bill anyway."
Even at 18 I realized it did not REALLY effect me ... I had paid what I owed after all; I was not the one being taken advantage of ... And maybe her grandmother would have been happy to give her a wad of cash, which is essentially what happened ... but for some reason, it always, always bothered me that she came out of that meal having made several hundred dollars off the rest of us.
re: charmedgirl
Why do I have a feeling that she's doing very well for herself. She knows how to "game" people. That's pretty shady behavior and no shame about it either.
re: charmedgirl
Actually, she made several hundred dollars off her grandmother!
re: ricepad
Oh yes, I know ... as I said, it was as though her grandmother handed her a wad of cash, which who knows, maybe granny would have been happy to do.... but it *felt* like she was making the money off all of us.
Again, I knew intellectually it did not effect me, but it just really rubbed me the wrong way, and (obviously) I have never forgotten it.
re: ricepad
No, he's a generous guy, that's the ironic thing. This past week, with six people, he said $35 per person. We all threw it in without hesitation. As we're leaving, my friend glanced down and saw the bill was $190. When we pointed out that he only did 10%, he claimed he meant to (in his head), do 10% and double it, but forgot. So we all threw in an extra $5 each and he was so embarrassed he threw in $10. The server ended up with almost a 30% tip
re: jhopp217
Why do you all keep allowing this guy to do something you're all privy to and don't like?
Perhaps a little intervention?
re: latindancer
Good question....he's usually the most sober, haha
I am horrid at math.. for tipping I always double the tax and add 2.00..and hope I did ok.. I did kind of messed up once when I was really little me and my sister called and made reservations for my dad for fathers day.. my mom gave us her credit card so we could pay and called ahead so we could take care of everything. The ticket came and I put the tip down the waitress took it and pretty soon the manager came over and took me away from the table..He explained that a tip should be about 20 % and I said but the service was twice as good so shouldnt the tip be 40 %? he laughed and said no... so he showed me were he crossed it out it on the ticket and changed it..
I am peranoid when I eat out with groups that the waiter is getting stiffed. But I also think it is kind of dorky to pull out my phone calculator and do accouting right there.
re: girloftheworld
depends where you live and how much the tax is?
my state sales tax is 6.25%. your method would only give $14.50 on $100.
uh, unless the service was awful, totally not enough. you may want to reconsider your stance on calculators.
re: girloftheworld
What's the sales tax in your area? I think ours is only 5% so that wouldn't work here.
re: girloftheworld
I've noticed in the many "how much to tip" threads over the years that lots of people say "double the tax" as a guideline. Where I live, that would be about a 16% tip. Tax rates vary, and I just don't understand why people can't look at the check and do math.
re: Terrie H.
I find it scary the number of people who can't do basic math. Double the final amount and divide by ten, fiddle w/ the final amount to make it convenient.
re: chowser
wow, i divide by 10 and then double. lets argue about that for about 15 rounds chowder. but I agree. and to me 'fiddle' almost always means adjust upwards to a round number.
re: KaimukiMan
I do it just like you KaimukiMan
re: KaimukiMan
"wow, i divide by 10 and then double."
The commutative law is awesome.
To be honest, I round up before I do the math. Tonight, meal came to $38. Round up to $40, divide by 10, double; or commutatively double and divide by 10; and get $8. Lazy. But, if I did it the long way and tip came to, say, $10.05, I'd most likely leave $10. So I normally round up, except when I don't.
re: chowser
Seems we all have our own methods for how we figure it out in our heads. I just multiply by 0.2
re: Vidute
if you were paying cash, would you expect change from $24? or just round up the 80 cents?
just curious...
re: hotoynoodle
depends. i'll round up if the server says they'll be back with my change. if i'm asked if i want the change back, no round up- instead a bump down to 15%. if i have a handbag full of change, i'll make it an even 20%
re: Terrie H.
Some of us pay a lot more sales tax - it's utterly reliable math for the math impaired.
For background, I've spent most my life in the Seattle area. Doubling the tax is always over 15%. Seattle proper, nearly 20%. I usually round up, too.
I don't see a lot of 20% tippers around here.
re: girloftheworld
Here is a little bit of a better "tip" for you when calculating gratuities. (for example purposes we will use the 20% as the tipping standard)
Let's say the check is $40. if you take 10% that is $4.00 then double it $4.+$4.= $8.00 there is your 20%.
Don't feel bad, I just read a recent study that said, 5 out of 4 people have problems with numbers.
re: jrvedivici
our tax is 8,5
I think it is more of trying to mantain a decourm for me.. most of the time I am the youngest in the party if it is food club and I am trying not look silly..I can do "simple"math but somehow at a table the enviorment of everthing else the "in your head" gets a little slow.
re: girloftheworld
you're still leaving under 20%. that's less than "average" in the northeast, for sure. i realize standards are less in the midwest and south.
re: hotoynoodle
i double the tax and add a few dollars ... my "standards" are not like I experinced in THE North. But heres in the miiidweest we aint so lackin
re: girloftheworld
you already explained your "formula".
i have only worked in boston as a tipped employee and only in fine dining. my experience is that those from the midwest and south tend to tip closer to 10%, while killing me with kindness. the platitudes don't pay my mortgage -- even while i understand cost of living issues are relative.
re: hotoynoodle
I fail to see how 8.5 plus 8.5 which equals 17% even without the extra few dollars thrown in is closer to 10% than it is to 20 %; but then I already said my math skills are lacking. However, I will not bow to anyone who says my stanadrs or tipping manners are lacking due to my geographical location. Pehaps our mamas just teach us a little more about being judgemental than up in "Boaston".
re: hotoynoodle
I didn't realize it was the customer's obligation to pay your mortgage. I get so tired of people who act like a "tip" is a REQUIREMENT rather than what it really is, a GRATUITY given based on the customer's perception of the service provided by the waitstaff. That is the job you chose, deal with it.
I am positive that if grocery stores started implementing mandatory 20% tipping for their bag boys so they could pay them less that you would be bitching up a blue streak. How about it? You wouldn't mind paying an extra $40 on top of a $200 grocery bill would you? Maybe up it to 25% ($50) if he doesn't smash your loaf of bread or maybe even 30%($60) if he doesn't break your eggs!! The kid has bills to pay. After all, your platitudes don't pay his mortgage!
re: PotatoHouse
i realize tipping is a relentlessly hot-button issue. fact is, few states mandate fair pay for servers and most live off tips. bag boys (girls) do not. so yeah, lol, tips do pay the bills for any tipped employee.
it all works out to a relative average every month, and you pay your bills, OR you get a new job. please don't act like this is a surprise? some people think 10-12% is ok, because they walk in a geographic and/or time warp. coke used to cost a nickel too.
recent anecdote:
table of 7 southern ladies, all saucer-eyed about being in the big city and ALL saying how not hungry they were. le sigh. (why are you at dinner if not hungry?) told me up-front they needed the check split a certain way, yadayada. indeed, they were so very nice, but this is a place where the check average is $120 pp.
i was very accommodating and they went on about their d**k server in another place the night before who could not have been more put-out by their group, and how nice i was!!! they oohed and aahed and everything was great and i was so lovely. they split the check NINE WAYS; some left NO tip and overall, i got 11% on the bill.
kill me with kindness.
eta: am not suggesting 20% is the line for mailed-in service. i have been on the receiving end of server sexism when with my female friends -- all of whom have some connection to the industry.
but for a large group of ladies whom i read well and all said they had a great time, it's tough forget 11%.
re: hotoynoodle
That was pretty smooth on their part getting a nine way split on a party of seven.
Of course, they may have just been so much in awe of the fancy northern ways that they forgot their ciphering.
re: hotoynoodle
although my company didn't require it, that's how my boss handled it every time we were at a dinner together.
he understood and wanted "good" wine which would have far exceeded any bill that could have been justified on our expense reports.
to him, it was worth it to avoid drinking "swill"
re: hotoynoodle
When I tip I tip for service.
I'm not thinking anything other than "this person is working to make a living", a certain percentage is my subjective standard and I tip accordingly. I'm not thinking to myself "this person has a mortgage to make and it's my obligation to subsidize".
The tip I choose to leave is going to be very, very generous if the person has waited on my table well.
If the person doesn't wait on my table well, well, my tip will reflect that and I figure it is he/she who's made the choice of how much I leave.
re: latindancer
i'm not suggesting you should consider anything other than the service received. krap service begets krap tip.
however buried it may be, pretending there is no implicit understanding that your tip pays your server's bills is just silly. it is his/her income.
re: hotoynoodle
<It is his/her income.>
...and I *did* state 'this person is working to make a living'.
When I sit down at a table I expect good service. If the wait person decides (it's their choice) to not give me the service I expect then my tip will reflect that. Nothing is automatic.
Stellar service....25-30%
Lousy service...perhaps 10% if that.
re: latindancer
we're not disagreeing.
re: hotoynoodle
I apologize if I tend to get a little pissy about tipping, but I am an old school former restaurant worker (every area including some management) who learned from my mom (an even older school former waitress) and my grandmother (a stone-age school former restaurant/bar owner). I have seen many Hounds bash anyone who even thinks about tipping less than 20% no matter how lousy the service and/or numerous the sins committed by the server (INCLUDING stealing the change from the check) and it irks me to no end.
re: PotatoHouse
<I have seen many Hounds bash anyone who even thinks about tipping less than 20% no matter how lousy the service>
If a waiter gives me lousy service they're going to see it reflected in my lowered tip.
I hate like anything leaving anything less than 20-25%. I can go as far as giving the wait person the benefit of the doubt when he/she says my food's coming out of the kitchen slow because the kitchen is 'slammed'. Okay....got it. The person either hasn't shared tips with her chef to make sure he/she's taken care, of which I consider stupid on his/her part, or the kitchen actually *is* slammed and it's not anyone's fault but the kitchen.
However, if the wait person just isn't paying attention, couldn't care less if my water/coffee isn't refilled, doesn't bring the check to me, doesn't come around to check on my table, etc....then expect a lower tip. End of story.
re: latindancer
Do you play less for dry cleaning if the service is poor? Or if there is nothing on TV, do you not pay one day of cable bill? I realize it's a service, but I like to recognize that these are people and unless they say something derogatory or do something that would be deemed offensive, I can't see leaving less than 20%.
I wonder how tippers who tip based on service that does or doesn't meet their expectations would feel if they were paid at their jobs that way. Let's just say I know a lot of school teachers who might be making less than minumum wage.
re: jhopp217
It's interesting but not a 'go' for me.
I pay for service. I also pay on the full amount, including taxes.
I tip very generously between 20-30% if the service is what I expect it to be.
I pay through the nose for dry-cleaning and my expectations are high because I've chosen the best in my area. They always come through for me and the owner receives a bonus at the end of the year. I pay a fee for cable even though I don't watch TV alot of the time.
All the people who are service-oriented, who do work for me, are paid generously and given large 'tips' at the end of the year.
Anyone who takes their job for granted, doesn't work hard, and thinks they're *still* going to get a big payoff is sorely mistaken.
As I stated, I tip for service given.
re: jhopp217
" Let's just say I know a lot of school teachers who might be making less than minumum wage."
And I know a lot who would be millionaires.
re: latindancer
"Okay....got it. The person either hasn't shared tips with her chef to make sure he/she's taken care, of which I consider stupid on his/her part"
you're suggesting servers are "stupid" for not bribing the kitchen to make their plates come out in a timely fashion? should they be bribing them even more to bump their chits to the front of the queue? where does the anarchy end?
many places i worked the chef was either the owner or far more handsomely paid than i was as a server. i certainly was in no position to try greasing palms so they would simply do their job. in my state it's also illegal for chefs to try dipping into the tip pool. and... you do realize i was already tipping out 20-40% of my shift earnings to support staff like runners, bartenders and bussers.
everybody thinks servers have nothing but money to burn.
re: hotoynoodle
I've known many servers in my lifetime.
The really good ones, who make great tips on their shifts, give a fair share of their tip(s) to the chef.
They establish a great relationship with the one person who can guarantee the food will come out quickly.
Nobody's 'bribing'....they're doing something efficient and, in the end, highly productive.
I find that extremely intelligent.
Long ago I'd question why one server's food came out quicker than the server's table next to mine. Having the same exact conversation with friends who were servers they'd simply answer the question....the server whose food came out quicker tipped the chef. Common sense.
re: hotoynoodle
<where does the anarchy end?>
Nah...pure logic.
re: latindancer
lol, i realize your remark here is old, but the thread got bumped...
having worked over 20 years in restaurants, in all capacities in foh, i have never met a a server who tipped a chef. maitre d's? yes. i also cannot imagine other staff going quietly into the night if one person tried pulling this -- they are about as cut-throat a group as you will ever meet.
as to why some tables' food comes out before others there are plenty of plausible explanations -- all far more likely than bribery.
re: hotoynoodle
I too have never seen chefs tipped, except by the diners themselves. As long as you don't piss the chef off, he will do his job to the best of his ability and beyond. If you're extra nice to him there might be a tiny bit of favoritism I guess. But nothing so obvious as consistently late orders.
re: hotoynoodle
I for one appreciate your insider's view of the restaurant's tipping distribution, because I haven't worked in the field and don't know how it rolls out.
What do you think about Mario Batali, et al, taking a percentage of tips to do "wine research" or whatever the hell they said they were using it for? I think I have sa clue how you feel, but thought I should ask.
re: EWSflash
batali, along with his partner-in-crime bastianich, made the papers because he's a "celebrity". there have been numerous class action suits in my city of boston against some pretty big players, all of which were settled on the side of the servers.
i have been a victim of it too, but in some smaller, chef-owned places. we simply didn't have the heft to mount a suit. it's vicious and demoralizing. the restaurant industry is really awful in the way it takes advantage of both foh and boh staff.
somebody like batali is a millionaire many times over yet feels entitled to nickle and dime employees to whom he pays less than minimum wage. it's theft and fraud. yuk.
re: hotoynoodle
Here in California it is illegal for an employer to take any part of tips. If I recall correctly, an example in the law is for deductions to cover the house's proportional cost of processing credit card charges. If there WERE a legitimate cost they could deduct for, that might be one, but the state has said it isn't the employee's choice that the house accepts credit cards.
re: Midlife
it's totally illegal in my state of mass., as well., but that doesn't stop employers from pulling it. a frequent dodge is for the house to take a percentage of banquet/private function gratuities, before tipping out the service staff. the class action suits i mentioned above were settled in the million-dollar ranges.
re: hotoynoodle
I was with a group in Virginia once and we tipped $15 on a $45 bill and I thought the waitress was going to ask us to marry her. Living in NY, they'd shrug at the 33% and not even thank you.
re: girloftheworld
Another option that is just as easy, and works any where despite tax rates - look at the total price, and move the decimal one place to the left. That is 10%. Double it, and you get 20%. From there, you can eyeball something in the middle if you want.
Personally, I'm good at math but lazy. I move the decimal, double it, then round up to the nearest whole dollar to make the addition easy.
re: girloftheworld
What a great story and what a nice manager to help you in such a discreet way. :-) Here is a quick way to get to 20%
Whatever the total is , for example $55.69, just take off the final number (in this case, it would be 9). That leaves you with 5.56...double that and you have 20% or $11.12 . If you round the number $55.69 up to 60.00 first, it is even easier, 6.00 + 6.00 is $12.00.
We always do 20% pretax minimum, which sometimes takes a little digging when the tab is handwritten and shows only the total. But that has become much less common. 20% is easy enough for me to do in my head, but we've mostly turned the job over to Mrs. O's iPhone and its tip calculator. Then, if we're in a group, the straight calculator function helps us divvy up the total. This leaves only the occasional major inequity between diners' meals to hash over unaided.
Figuring from the pretax total takes care of the variances from one jurisdiction to another.
re: Will Owen
You opened up a whole new can of worms....pre-tax or total.I don't have the patience to be bothered with people trying to figure out what they ate and the tax or tipping less on drinks. My "rule" is 20% minimum on total
re: jhopp217
Where we live, we are taxed at a rate of 15%. I tip on the total before tax. Usually 18-20%.
re: jhopp217
I think it may depend on where you eat. I had lunch with three friends at a Vietnamese restaurant. The dishes were in the $7-8 range. When the bill came, one of them said "I refuse to tip on the tax!" I thought to myself, what's 20% minus 10% of a $7 tab? I didn't even stop to figure it out. This person is generous in some ways and a nazi in others, I'm not going to change her, I prefer to enjoy her better parts when I can. But I don't go to lunch with her any more.
re: EWSflash
Where I live the tax on $8 is 64 cents. 20% of that is 13 cents!!!!!!! COME ON!!!! Give me a break!!!! I would stop eating with her too.
My frequent Bad Math Guy is the
Gal Who Wants to Split the Check Evenly But She Ordered the Most Expensive Thing, an app, and 3 Specialty Mixed Drinks.
So six people will have $35-$40 pretax tabs, each, whilst hers would be easily $65. Thus, as individuals, the others should be right on $50 with our tax rate and 18% tip.
She will play the "oh, it's just a few dollars either way so don't worry about the change" and ask us all for $60 per person-- implying that SHE is covering some small change for each of us!! Then she puts the whole bill on her rewards card.
One time I joined the group late and only had a soda, and I volunteered to do the math since ~I~ was causing the math hassle. She was INDIGNANT that I threw in $10 but said to her "So you're paying $70 and they're each doing $50?"
re: Kris in Beijing
re: hotoynoodle
hahha. the monster of the table!! and generously says " isn't annnnny one going to help with this?" to the icccky nachos after she has eaten all the ones with cheese on them.
re: girloftheworld
There is a place in dining Hell for people like that. The Florida Early Bird Special.
re: INDIANRIVERFL
"There is a place in hell..."
Yes, or Hometown Buffet.
re: INDIANRIVERFL
I lived in S. FL for 20 years. I know of what you speak . lol
re: Kris in Beijing
While I'm sure there will be people that argue that you can never be "too generous" with wait staff - where I am, I find that bad math guy is often prone to calculations that involve greatly inflating what the tip should be.
Where I live (not in the US), standard tip is 10%, 15% is generous - and above that should really be at a diners discretion and desire to be very generous. Hardly the norm to pass around to dining companions. So my bad math friend (who is from the US, but has been living here for a while) will always calculate the bill at a 20-30% tip. This is making no comment on tipping standards in the US, but that's well over what they are here and irritating to pass onto his dining compangions. If he wants to remain tipping at 20-30% that's fine - but it's not a calculation that others take kindly to.
re: cresyd
I live in Japan, so tipping is rarely done here. However, I spend about a month or so every year in San Francisco, and I tip a higher percentage at really cheap places (usually Chinese) and a somewhat lower percentage (around 15%) at more expensive places. It pains me to leave less than 20% in places where a meal for four comes out to about $25.
re: Tripeler
Given how heated so many of the different tipping threads are on this site alone, I accept that there are many different wrinkles in how people tip. What they feel service deserves, what they feel servers deserve, etc.
But when a national standard for tipping is 10%, and someone decides to calculate splitting a bill based on a tip of 25% - it's irritating. If he feels like being that generous - that's his prerogative, but shouldn't be spread to others.
re: cresyd
I agree. I will pull the server aside to add to what we've done but don't expect others to match what I do, or feel bad about what they're doing.
re: cresyd
Are you saying that the national standard for tipping is 10%, or is that an arbitrary number you are using for example purposes? I've never heard that figure before.
re: jrvedivici
I believe cresyd was referring to her (his?) country of residence, Israel.
re: Hobbert
Ah, yes. I should have read a little further up stream to see that. My bad.
re: Hobbert
Yes, in Israel tipping is standard at 10%, and also the tipping range is quite narrow.
Essentially, my post would be an equivalent to someone in the US adding a 35-45% tip when dividing the bill. That may be certain people's choices, but to impose that on a group when dividing the check is going to ruffle some feathers.
re: cresyd
I completely agree with you.
re: cresyd
There is nowhere in this country where the national average is 10%. I don't think it ever was. My father is 79 and said he never tipped less than 15%
re: jhopp217
If you read further up you will see, he is not in this country.
re: jrvedivici
The standard that US Steel reimbursed was 10%. Anything over that came out of your pocket. Per my Father, who traveled 6 months a year for the company. Which explains why Mom would send my sister or I back with money to add to Dad's tip. This was up to Dad's retirement in 1989.
re: Tripeler
I over tip when the bill is low, too. Please keep in mind though, that the more expensive and/or corporate places require servers to tip bussers, bartenders and sometimes even the host/hostess. It can take a big chunk out of their earnings for the night and support staff can and will abuse servers they think haven't given them an adequate percentage by slowing down their support in the future.
re: Kris in Beijing
When my friends and I go out, we divide it evenly. If someone chooses to get special and someone else chooses the side salad, they know going in. It works out in the end.
Funniest was one night there were eight of us and we all, but one, ordered a special that was $45....one guy ordered a meal that was $17. Split it 8 ways and he was not happy.
re: jhopp217
re: jhopp217
I would not have found it very funny. And I'd take away an important lesson: Don't dine with that particular group again, but if I had no choice, go big.
Whenever anyone "grabs" the check, I always say, "oh, thank you, how generous of you."
re: GraydonCarter
Yep! That's the way to go. If they tell me what I "owe", I ask to see the bill.
<<For the life of me I can never understand why people who can't figure out what 20-25% is, grab the bill.>>
they grab it so that they can inflict their cheapness on the server.
it's REALLY irritating to me when someone does this in a restaurant that has low prices and heavy plates to begin with. .. . .
when a restaurant offers "endless soup and salad" it doesn't mean that the servers are not working their tushes off. it usually means that the servers are working HARDER and even if the bill doesn't go up, the servers SHOULD, imho, for the numerous trips to the kitchen this sort of promotion requires, be compensated
re: westsidegal
In this case, it's not about that, but usually you are right. I once tipped $20 on a $12.99 allyou can eat buffet, because the stupid restaurant had the smallest imaginable plates and my "server" was going nuts and getting me drinks like crazy. He told me afterwards how usually people tipped $3 and would sit there for hours
re: westsidegal
I've made this point many times before...especially on the subject of buffets....
But there are those that say 10% is all they deserve and is appropriate.
I think being cheap is a character flaw.
My two Bad Math Guys (and both were guys) are very different beasts.
BMG 1 - orders expensive drinks, expensive entree, bottle of wine, then puts down $40 and thinks that's enough. He's an economist.
BMG 2 - kept saying, give me the check last. Someone else figured out that he was depending on everyone else's generosity (like everyone else was putting in their costs +20%), putting a bare minimum, and essentially eating for free. We started insisting that he pay first. He's an aerospace engineer.
Bad Math is a motive, not a myth.
re: 512window
>>Bad Math is a motive, not a myth.<<
Was really trying in China where you don't tip, so people were shorting the bill itself.
re: 512window
Unless you get my husband and his cheap co-workers for a good bye party. People left money before heading out the door. My husband was one of the last ones out the door. People left less than their share. My husband and two others were left, each paying an extra $20.
re: chowser
Did those stuck with the bill really believe it was out of ignorance? And it's really too bad when it happens at a goodbye party.
What's great is when you collect more than what's needed, so you can include the extra in your goodbye gift!
re: 512window
I have no idea if it was ignorance or cheapness (I don't know the people), but I think they put in what their amount was w/out tax and tip and it was a good number who did. Of course, it wasn't everyone so there must have been some who put in less.
Yes, the latter situation is what I always fall into w/ my friends. We always way overtip as a result because no one will take money back. But, not w/ co-workers!
re: chowser
In all my years I will never ever ever understand people who pull a stunt like that..
Shameful...absolutely shameful..
No excuse for an educated adult ..
re: 512window
Indeed, it is a motive. I have a BIL always prefers separate checks. If he can't get the server to give us separate checks (he asks as soon as we sit down, beginning with the hostess) he will be the chronic check grabber. To be sure he does not contribute to anyone's meal but his own, hew will whip out his cellphone calculator to tell each person (including his wife) exactly what they owe ("did you have 2 glasses of wine or just one?... how much was your special?"), to the penny. Food drink & tax, but NOT gratuity. He attempts to collect the cash from each and every one of us, and puts the whole check on HIS credit card (to earn miles/points). If your total is $17.50 and you give him a $20, don't expect anything back. He keeps the cash, tips no more than 15% and thinks he's crafty. He's not bad at math, he's just a putz.
re: Cheflambo
There is a reason for the old saying. You can pick your friends but not your relatives. Still, I'd like to think I would not have put up with that nonsense from a BIL more than once. And you do this on a regular basis? Well, your bad..and what does your sister think of this anyways?
re: miss_belle
None of my sisters are married to this guy, I only see him once a year and we all know its going to happen. Everyone else either lets him get away with it, or doesn't care. His wife (SIL) is in the same camp - she'll order a drink without ice, thinking she's getting more, and wants to quibble over the price of her entree if she orders the main without sides ... I have too many friends in the industry and empathize with their frustration with these people, so I just go back ("oops, forgot my sunglasses...") hunt down our server, and augment the tip.
re: Cheflambo
OH, I see now. Thanks.
re: Cheflambo
So in the family, he's "Screw The Waiter (and Family, While I'm At It)" Guy and you are "Forgets His Sunglasses Guy". We all have our parts to play!
re: ricepad
I'm the "Gal who overtips" in some people's eyes. I was raised by a dad who ALWAYS picked up the check no matter where he was, or who he was with. My brother continues this tradition.
Backstory - we only see these folks when we travel to FL for Thanksgiving. Our hostess cooks the T-day meal; we're on our own (in restaurants) the rest of the time. One year I thought I would try something different - during the meal, I "went to powder my nose" and found our server, warning him of what was ahead. I also handed him my Amex card and told him to bring ME the bill at the end of the meal. Dinner over, receipt signed and server got the 20% he deserved. Big fuss from the rellies "you don't have to do this!" and a dirty look from Mr. Cheflambo (who knew what I was up to). Later in the evening everyone BUT my BIL came to me with cash in hand wanting to pay for their meal.
re: Cheflambo
He must be an absolute joy.
re: Cheflambo
"He's just a putz." More like a gonif, really...
re: Tripeler
That too
re: Cheflambo
Oh Cheflambo! What is the plural of "putz"?
You are so lucky! My sister has picked 3 losers so far and they have all been of the "go to restroom when check arrives" or "sits quietly with no attempt to reach for check" variety.
Needless to say, invites to restos have been severely curtailed.
I, the above named, while retaining a small shred of sanity, do hereby solemnly pledge that I will never-ever read another thread on tipping. Respectfully submitted this 15th day of June, 2013.
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I find this weird.
In my experiences, the only time someone grabs for the cheque like that is usually when they are footing the whole bill. If I am paying for my share of the bill, you'd better believe I get to check my portion of the bill.
I can't say that anyone I've dined with has ever pulled this kind of behavior.
re: salsailsa
Agreed. Sometimes at celebratory dinners someone might grab it to make sure no one else pays. Never when everyone is chipping in.
re: chowser
like kryptonite.
re: hotoynoodle
It almost seems like a deadly transaction to some diners. Pick it up and it's yours.
I had a horrible experience like that. A group of women I met online, we went to a restaurant that shocked me with their prices. So, I ordered the cheapest option. Including food, wine, tip and tax, I had about three times the cost of my meal in my wallet. After throwing in what I figured I owed, the alpha gal at the table declared that we were short. So I put in more money. These women stared at the new girl (me) and so I emptied my wallet. Still short. I dug up some change, including pennies! and all I can say is, some b**** or two did not pay her fair share. Next time, I'll announce what I throw down: "So, here's forty dollars for my share!"
Guess who never went out with these women again?
Not any more.
We did dine with a particular person, who would drink the bar dry, then grab the check, split it between all diners, add a major tip, then declare that he would pay by credit card. He would accept cash only, and then stiff the servers, pocketing the tip for himself.
That worked one time with us, and then I began getting the check. I would factor in his bar bill (about the same as the dining bill for each person), and a real tip. I would put that onto MY credit card, and he would end up paying his entire bill (plus tip), as would others. He was highly miffed, as his "cash cow" had just dried up.
Some folk just do not get it.
Even before, we had some acquaintances, who would "chip in" their "fair share," but totally without taxes, or tips. I ended up picking up the taxes AND the tip, and we ceased to ever dine with them again.
The nerve of some people's children.
re: Bill Hunt
I worked at a place that wanted to fire a member of management but needed solid grounds to dismiss. Catching someone in expense report fraud is the best way to accomplish this. The manager had invited everyone to dinner, asked them to chip in from their per diems, and payed by company credit card, and then expensed the whole amount.
If possible I ask for my own bill so i can make sure and pay my share and leave a good tip. As a former server, I realize how hard of a job it is. Most servers must tip out others such as the greeter, bartender, and bus people. My niece actually had to pay the credit card charge is customers charged their food order. 20 to 25% is the minimum I leave, even if the server is having a bad day.
Wouldn't it be nice if every profession was tip based instead of people being paid a living wage? At the end of the year all the employees in a company could decide how much tip the CEO deserves over his/her base salary of $3 an hour. That would be a hoot.
I'd rather have bad math guy than good math guy. Once I went out to eat with about 15-16 people. One guy (friend of a friend of a friend) said he'd put it on his credit card and did the math. He asked $20 extra from each person after a 20% after tax tip. Was able to do the math in my head and realized that he was asking too much. A bunch of other people grabbed the bill and calculated what our shares really should have been. Pretty sure he was going to pocket the excess as I got this slimeball vibe from him the entire night.
re: Miss Needle
sounds like you were "better math guy." :)
re: Miss Needle
I'm wondering what kind of crowd you hang out w/ that no one else noticed that they were paying $20 more per meal! That must have been one expensive meal for people not to notice that!
re: chowser
We were at a seafood restaurant and everybody was pretty sloshed. The bill should have come out to $80/person but the guy was claiming that we all needed to pay up $100. This bill was for food only. One friend (who is very generous and loaded) paid the entire drink bill for the table as he ordered expensive bottles of wine that some of the folks wouldn't have ordered on their own.
re: Miss Needle
I'd love to hear tipping stories about drunk diners and what they leave. I'll bet there are doozies.
I get it. My husband and I are good tippers because we have both worked in restaurants and we know what it is like to try and live on mainly tips. It is very embarrassing to me to have a dining partner undertip. I have slipped extra money to the server at times. I can suggest that when the check comes, you lightheartedly bring up the subject with a personal story about tipping or percentages that won't offend others. I have several that I have honed for group situations. I have also seen people whip out there cell phones and say, I have a great app that will add the tip and then divide it for us. They can probably do the math in their head but it gives the mathematically challenged a comfortable way to get help.


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BROOKSVILLE, Fla. (AP) - Two Brooksville man have turned themselves in after reportedly stealing five dogs from a Hernando County animal shelter last week.
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(Cape Town, 5 December 2013) Russian ultramarathoner Natalia Volgina has officially been stripped of her 2013 Old Mutual Two Oceans Marathon title and received a two-year competition ban, subsequent to a final guilty verdict for using the banned anabolic steroid Metenolone.
Volgina was among 24 Old Mutual Two Oceans Ultra Marathon finishers to be tested by the SA Institute for Drug-Free Sport, with hers yielding the only positive result.
Following an investigation, during which Volgina had the option to have her B-sample tested, she was officially found guilty by the All Russian Athletics Federation, in conjunction with the International Association of Athletics Federations (IAAF).
Lester Cameron, chairman of the Two Oceans Marathon NPC, confirmed that Volgina will lose both her title and the R250,000 prize money.
"We are disappointed that there are still athletes who believe that they can get away with doping, and we take these offences very seriously. As race organisers, we have a responsibility to protect the integrity of our event, and the sport as a whole."
Volgina's disqualification means that all runners behind her move up one position. Thabita Tsatsa of Zimbabwe is now the official winner of the 2013 Ultra Marathon, while American Camille Herron has moved into 10th position.
"The organising team received the official outcome of Ms Volgina's disciplinary procedure on 3 December 2013, and we are currently making the necessary arrangements to pay the top 10 ladies the balance of their revised prize money," Mr Cameron added.
The official Top 10 Ladies are:
- Thabita Tsatsa, ME INT (ZIM): 03:39:54
- Charne Bosman, BONITCG: 03:40:16
- Elena Nurgalieva, ME INT (RUS): 03:41:42
- Mamorallo Tjoka, TOY INT (LSO): 03:44:40
- Nina Podnebesnova, NED INT (RUS): 03:45:14
- Ellie Greenwood, NED INT (GBR): 03:45:15
- Immaculate Chemutai, UGA: 03:47:36
- Michelle Williams, BONITCG: 03:50:59
- Jenniffer Koech, NED INT (KEN): 03:52:28
- Camille Herron, NED INT (USA): 03:53:09
Volgina will only be eligible to participate from 15 May 2015.
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Both actors appear on the cover of the December issue of Essence Magazine. In the remake (produced by Will and Jada Smith and Jay Z), Foxx plays Daddy Warbucks, father to the title character Annie, played by fellow young Oscar-nominee Quvenzhané Wallis.
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Weekend fish kill on Jonathan Creek a mysteryWritten by Becky Johnson
The cause of a fish kill on an isolated stretch of Jonathan Creek in Maggie Valley last Saturday is eluding environmental agencies and will likely remain a mystery.
A number of trout, from fingerlings to foot-long fish, turned up dead on Jonathan Creek near the confluence with Evans Cove branch in the middle of Maggie Valley.
The exact number has not been confirmed.
"I have estimates that are all over the place," said Roger Edwards, regional supervisor of the surface water quality branch of the state Division of Water Quality.
The dead fish floating in the water were so visible it even triggered 911 calls.
Jonathan Creek is a source of drinking water for customers of the Maggie Valley Sanitary District. But whatever caused the fish kill did not jeopardize the public water source, according to Neil Carpenter, director of the Maggie water agency. Both water intakes are safely a mile and half upstream from the site of the dead fish.
"As a precaution, we sent our crews to both areas and walked the stream looking. We went a half mile above each intake and walked the stream banks and saw nothing," Carpenter said.
While Division of Water Quality was alerted when dead fish started turning up Saturday afternoon, no one with the agency made an appearance until Monday. The nearly 48-hour lag time means anything in the water that may have contributed to the fish kill was long gone downstream. But for good measure, field teams took water samples to test things like pH and oxygen levels anyway. They did not do any biological sampling to see what kind of aquatic critters were present.
The tissue of the dead fish is not likely to unlock any secrets. For toxins to show up in tissue, fish would have to be exposed to it over a prolonged period, Edwards said.
In this case, Edwards believes there was an "isolated incident" that caused the fish kill, since the dead fish showed up during a finite window of time and a fairly short stretch of the creek.
Fish kills during summer, and especially during a summer drought, can occur when low creek levels combine with high temperatures to deplete oxygen in the water. But Edwards has ruled out that cause in this case. He doesn't think it was sediment plume either, as that would have been visible and easy to trace to its source by eyewitnesses.
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WESTERLY— After 10 years of providing sailing and science education to residents of Stonington, the New England Science & Sailing (NESS) non-profit organization is expanding its programming into Westerly.
Wuskenau Ocean Adventures, a new satellite program that launched June 30 at Wuskenau Town Beach and Winnapaug Pond, combines kayaking, snorkeling and other water activities with marine science and ecology education for children ages 7 to 15. Each week-long session —with a total of seven sessions—offers a different theme within this subject area, giving Westerly youth the chance to explore the aquatic offerings through the three-hour morning classes (for ages 7 to 10) or those in the afternoon (ages 11 to 15).
"We're all about making science real to these kids, and helping them to connect to the environment in a way so they'll want to protect it," said Cindy Nickerson, executive director.
Nickerson explained that bringing this program, a version of which is already offered in Stonington, to Westerly was a "natural extension" of the organization's expansion.
"Right now, we get mostly Connecticut residents," Nickerson said. "This is a way to reach out to and serve the kids and families of Westerly."
The satellite program is not the organization's first foray into Westerly, however. NESS began offering a weekend surf camp at Westerly Town Beach three years ago, through a partnership with the Westerly Recreation Department. It was the success of this camp that inspired the creation of additional services in the Westerly area, according to Mistral Dodson, program director.
"Westerly Rec has been very supportive of us," Dodson said. "We both thought there was a lot of potential up at the Westerly beaches, and that this would be another great way to get kids out on the water there."
While NESS has organized the program — including the purchase of about $5,000 worth of new equipment such as kayaks, life jackets, snorkels and hydrometers — the recreation department will provide storage space at the town beach, and access to the kayak launch site from the pond side parking lot at Wuskenau. Additionally, parents transporting their children to the classes will be allowed to stay on the beach without a parking pass for the time period of the class, according to Nickerson.
NESS also hired two new instructors for the sessions, both of whom are certified in kayaking and lifeguarding with backgrounds in marine science and education, Dodson said. Each session is capped at 12 students, allowing for a 6-to-1 student-to-teacher ratio.
"We wanted to start out a bit smaller, but if we see more demand for our programming, we'll absolutely consider adding instructors in the future," Nickerson said.
Dodson noted that while the first few sessions have slightly lower attendance than she had anticipated, she was hopeful that later sessions would have increased participation.
"I'm very confident that the word about this is going to spread like wildfire," Dodson said. "It's a great program in a great location, and we're really excited to be there."
Dodson echoed Nickerson's comments on the need for water and marine life education as taught through the classes.
"A lot of kids who live by or come to the coast with their parents don't necessarily understand how the ocean works, or why it's so important to protect," Dodson said. "The programs are also great for teaching kids independence, and learning to embrace new opportunities without being afraid."
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[Teams] Bradford vs Arsenal: Confirmed Line-ups
Arsenal play Bradford City in the Capital One Cup tonight with a place in the Semi finals at stake.
Boss Arsene Wenger is not taking the League 2 minnows lightly and has named a very strong team. He's made only three changes from the team that beat West Brom on Saturday as Arteta, Giroud and Chamberlain make way for Podolski, Ramsey and Coquelin. The likes of Jack Wilshere, Bacary Sagna and Santi Cazorla are surprise inclusions as the boss has named an almost full strength starting eleven.
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Saturday, July 10, 2010
Granddaughter Takes the Hamptons by Storm
All photos by Ken Robbins
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Lorraine, she is very pretty and alive....I am glad you are together!ReplyDelete
I am really looking forward to hearing all about your visit with your Granddaughter, Lorraine!ReplyDelete
Wow... so wonderful!ReplyDelete
- AnonymousJuly 10, 2010 at 6:55 PM
I am very happy for you both :- )ReplyDelete
Love the huge smiles on both of your faces. Lisa Marie is lovely, Lorraine!ReplyDelete
I wish you could see the film "Mother and Child" together.
I thought of you both when I saw it.
Wow! Very cool. Enjoy and I too look forward to hearing more about your reunion.ReplyDelete
- ,maryanneJuly 11, 2010 at 7:38 AM
She is beautiful! Glad she is getting to enjoy the beach with you and looking forward to hearing more.ReplyDelete
Lisa should be a model. I can so see her beautiful face on the cover of Vogue.....ReplyDelete
I'm glad you are both having so much fun during this heart warming reunion too. :)
- AnonymousJuly 11, 2010 at 10:31 AM
Beautiful picture of grandma and granddaughter.ReplyDelete
can't wait to hear more
Hey IA, she is already performing with a jazz ensemble called Lulu's Playground in Minneapolis where she does spoken word as part of their set. And she will be performing with them next week in Door County, Wisconsin, which is the Hamptons of Wisconsin, or the Northern Michigan resort area of Wisconsin. Why do I bring in Michigan? Because I'm from Michigan and used to spend part of my summers in Charlevoix, Traverse City, Benton Harbor...as a kid.ReplyDelete
The week was good, it was intense for both of us, will write when I can settle down.
thank you all for your kind comments.
Can't wait for you to come back...tell us more.
Lorraine she is SO beautiful! I am thrilled for you both that you have had this time together and hope it leads to many more like it!ReplyDelete
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This is a discussion on The DC HD Shotgun thread! within the Defensive Rifles & Shotgun Discussion forums, part of the Related Topics category; Originally Posted by OhShoot Generally, reliability and durability. Semi-autos are a little quicker, to be sure, but surprisingly less of a speed factor than you ...
Here is my favorite HD shotgun. I had a Mossberg 590 but I ended up selling it and switching back to my 500A as my primary shotgun. The 500A just feels better in my hands as the balance is more towards the rear and it isn't front heavy like the 590. I put a Specter Gear shell holder on it and called it good.
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Here's mine. It started life as a Rem. 870 Express Magnum.
*20" imp. cylinder barrel with rifle sights
*Knoxx non-recoil stock
*Command Arms tri-rail forend
*Tapco shorty vertical grip
*Tacstar extension (total of 7 in the tube)
*Scattergun Technology sling mount
*Scattergun Technology hi-vis follower
*Viking Tactical V-TAC sling
*Tacstar 6 round side saddle
*Hogue Handall grip
*Surefire G2 LED in a Command Arms quick detachable mount.
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that is one mean looking shotgun you have there! Where did you order the sling? I've been trying to find a good sling for my 870.
I have a 870 TALO special edition that looks like this.
Thanks GBO. Yours looks great too.
The got the V-TAC sling from Brownell's if memory serves. VIKING TACTICS : V-TAC QUICK ADJUST SLING - World's Largest Supplier of Firearm Accessories, Gun Parts and Gunsmithing Tools - BROWNELLS
I absolutely love it.
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Mossberg 500a.
Additions: Outdoor Connection adjustable super sling.
TacStar sidesaddle shotshell carrier.
Jimdo Cree R2 7090 XR-E LED flashlight.
TacStar magazine clamp (light mount)
Vang Comp aluminum safety.
Butler Creek Protector Folding Shotgun Stock.
"It may seem difficult at first, but everything is difficult at first."
This is mine...simple and effective.
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My Mossberg 590 Special Purpose with Ontario M9 bayonet and Tac-Star 6 round side saddle.
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Mossberg 500 with Surefire forend and my Special Operations Equipment 12 gauge micro rig.
My old Mossy 500 20ga. I cut the barrel from 28" to 19".
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Just ran across this. Have been wanting a Siaga for awhile but this baby has to be ultimate HD shotty
From Red Jacket Fire Arms
RTS-ZK-S/S-12 suppressed shotgun with 20 round drums
OK maybe a bit over the top but a 20 round shotgun that wont blow your ear drums out shooting it indoors (where most HD shootings occcur) is sure to make an impact
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Toyota Philippines recalls Fortuner, Hilux and Innova vehiclesBy Ben Arnold O. de Vera
Toyota Motor Philippines Corp. (TMPC) said it has recalled units of three models sold in the country from November 2004 to June 2010.
Toyota Motor Philippines Corp. (TMPC) said it has recalled units of three models sold in the country from November 2004 to June 2010.
My first test unit for the "Chicdriven test" was a Toyota Fortuner. My friend Pia Casequin, who I have handpicked as my cotester for the makeup test took the car to Westgate to drive to BF homes only to realize the parameters for the makeup test were wrong because of the heavy traffic and stoplights. This was about two weeks before Christmas and I had to borrow it again at the end of January.
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"America's ports depend upon a regular, biennial cycle of new project authorizations to improve federal navigation channels to accommodate calls from a modern world fleet of deep-draft ships," remarked Nagle. "This bill is critical to maintaining America's position as a dominate world trading partner and ports as engines of the nation's economic growth."
Nagle said that AAPA and its US member ports, "are very appreciative" of the support provided by Transportation and Infrastructure Committee Chair Don Young (R-AK) and Ranking Member James Oberstar (D-MN), along with Water Resources and Environment Subcommittee Chair John Duncan (R-TN) and Ranking Member Eddie Bernice Johnson (D-TX). The last WRDA bill was signed into law in 2000. In the intervening half-decade, as demand for critical water resources projects has accumulated, so have the costs to implement them, making it more difficult to secure passage of a new WRDA.
Nagle noted that the most important thing HR 2864 does, in addition to needed project authorizations, is set the stage for timely biannual authorization bills in the future. He said that approving a WRDA bill every two years ensures the competitiveness of America's exports while permitting the country's access to low-cost imports, which helps control inflation.
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I have been having a bit of trouble tanking multiple mobs with my Warrior. I'm basically looking for any tips/improvements I could be doing when I tank. Right now I usually just spam whatever is not on cooldown, and Thunderclaping when I have more than 1 or 2 mobs on me. I realize that this is not efficient, and some of my guilds good DPS people can pull mobs off me if they throw a Blizzard/ Volley.
Besides rotation, I just want to make sure my Talent Spec and Glyphs are good for raiding as well, its been a while since I respeced, and some changes have happened, but Im not sure what the "most popular" tank spec is the "best" tank spec.
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Generally, Tara is usually upbeat and fun on social media, but the former TNA Knockout is going through some drama right now. She posted the phone number for a woman named Liz on Twitter. When asked by fans as to who that is, Tara stated that it was the girl that has been sending text messages to her husband during all hours of the day and night. In another interesting move, Tara also retweeted a post from someone in regards to divorce, leading to speculations that her marriage could be on the rocks.
November 18, 2014
Reports have surfaced about a rather interesting real life relationship backstage in WWE. Rosa Mendes was said to have been dating Michael Hayes for a period of time. Former wrestlers have alluded to the seemingly inappropriate relationship in the past, but the names were withheld. Word going around is that Hayes was quite the advocate in getting Rosa on Total Divas. The two are said to be broken up now.
October 9, 2014
In a sign of just how valued he is within the company, Michael Hayes is still with WWE. He remains a fairly high ranking official for the company and has a big role backstage, even though he has had so many incidents and suspensions. WWE is even tossing around the idea of inducting the Freebirds into the hall of fame during Wrestlemania 32, which is rumored to be held in Texas.
April 14, 2014
For more than three decades, the record at the Superdome for a wrestling event was set by a show featuring Michael Hayes and Junkyard Dog in the main event. The two of them drew in 28,000 fans, which is a mark that WWE should easily blow away with Wrestlemania 30. As many already know, Hayes works backstage for the company and will be at the pay per view.
April 6, 2014
Despite causing controversy again with the Rosa Mendes incident, those within WWE do not believe that Michael Hayes will be fired anytime soon.
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A topless picture of Lana before she became a WWE diva. Almost as good as a completely nude photo of her.
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A picture of Angelina Love wearing a pink bikini for an official TNA photo shoot.
June 21, 2014
A picture of Eve Torres with her husband at the beach. The former WWE diva still looks great in a bikini.
June 20, 2014