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If you use canvas bags for groceries - what do you use for garbage bags?
I just saw this headline online "Seattle voters deciding on 20-cent grocery bag fee" and it irritated me because I use my grocery bags as trash bags. I know that chowhounders have discussed the use of re-useable vs plastic vs paper before, but I just want to know if you buy plastic garbage bags and tote them home in your re-useable canvas bags or do you use something else for your trash?
re: evewitch
Replace "husband" with "spousal equivalent" and yep, that's my story, too.
I always put damp trash in the kitchen garbage can, which uses the big 13 gallon bags that I have to buy anyway. I don't use trash bags in my other trash cans, which only hold dry trash and are emptied into the big kitchen bag when I need to take out trash.
Recycling goes into paper bags that I collect when I forget to bring bags to the store, or recyclable paper bags from department stores.
re: tzurriz
me too! and with single stream recycling and more items accepted now, we recycle more than we toss. :)
re: Withnail42
Someone I know suggested writing them on the grocery list.
We use canvas bags for groceries/greenmarket and as many store purchases as we can (Duane Reade, etc.).
We have a bin that we reuse for the glass/metal/plastic recycling. We just take it downstairs to the building's trash/recycling area and dump it there in the appropriate container and bring it back upstairs.
We use whatever random paper bag, delivery box, etc. for all our paper/cardboard/etc. recycling and then bring it downstairs (as above). If it's a box, we'll reuse this a well for as long as it lasts.
We use the tall kitchen garbage bags (purchased) for the kitchen waste which is really rather minimal these days given how much is required to be recycled. You can get a box of 15 or 20 of those for about 99 cents; so it still works out better than paying the 20 cent bag fee and lasts quite a while.
re: LNG212
Perfect description of my approach. I've been trying to use paper bags for ordinary trash, too, if the garbage isn't too wet, since the building's trash bins are already lined with plastic bags. Just wish I had enough room out back for composting!
re: LNG212
composting outdoors? It does smell a bit but only when you are right next to it.
re: DGresh
No, we were looking into things that could be indoors. We live in Manhattan w/o outdoor space. The worms were interesting but didn't seem like it would work for us. And there's no way we could handle anything that smelled, even a little.
re: LNG212
I have a compost bucket under the sink, and in the summer it *NEEDS* to go outside on a regular basis. I don't think indoor composting can really work very well, even if very well covered.
re: DGresh
I saw something on HGTV (or maybe on that new green channel) about an indoor composter that they *said* didn't smell. it was smaller than a trash compactor, and I think composted within a few days.
re: jujuthomas
I have a homemade worm compost bin under my kitchen sink, and it doesn't smell. There's no smell whatsoever when it's closed, and when I open it to stir it or add food scraps, it smells a little like dirt but not like sour food.
re: cimui
I bought compost worms at Cole Hardware In San Francisco. There are a lot of web forums about where to buy them, or how to attract ones in your yard if you have one.
Compost forums all agree that meat, oily, and salty food should be kept out of compost. Not only do those things tend to create stench, you don't want them in your final product. Greasy, salty compost isn't going to do your plants much good!
re: cimui
Yeah, same here. The older folks I know want to just throw everything in a heap in the yard and watch compost magically appear, but people now just don't have the space needed or the patience required. Eventually all those less desirable things will break down, but we're talking years.
Grocery stores here in Montreal are already charging for bags. It just seems to be a cash grab here as most people at my local grocery store still take the plastic bags even though they now charge for them
As for myself, I just broke down and bought garbage bags.
My parents bought me a package of garbage bags from Costco when I moved out here exactly one year ago today. The package came with two rolls of white bags, and I have only used about half of one roll. So I use those in the kitchen garbage (and should be good until 2012 on that front). In the bathroom, I use plastic bags from the drugstore, clothes stores, etc.
Most weeks we don't create much trash, but the city requires bags of at least a certain thickness, so we have to buy those. :-( We only put a bag in the kitchen trash and put only dry trash in the others which then get dumped in with the kitchen trash the night before trash day.
I take the shredded paper from work to the recycle bins and the plastic bags used to collect the shredded paper can't go in the bin so I take those back to the office for re-use. We end up with some paper bags when we buy more than what fits in our cloth and string bags. We use those to put our paper for recycling in before putting it on the curb. Our other recyclables are just put loose in the recycle container but paper gets scattered all other the neighborhood if it's not contained. Cardboard for recycling is just piled up and tied with string.
I take a number of my clients grocery shopping and haven't yet converted them all to cloth bags, but have convinced them to give the plastic and paper bags they get to me rather than just throw them in the trash. I take drop them off at libraries and thrift stores. Two of the clients who do their own shopping most of the time do use cloth bags.
re: smartie
Ah, but that was before the days when local municpalites started refusing to TAKE garbage that wans't in an easily picked up bag, or started issuing massive fines for catching you putting ANY newspaper, no matter how messed up in the trash (on the grounds that it is irresponsible to use an article which can be recyclable for a purpose that makes it unsuitable for recycling). Our neigborhood tried (and almost suceeded) in requiring that all garbadge bags be transparent so that all garbage could be seen to check for violations (I actually have a box of tiny opaque bags from this period which were for throwing away things that would be particualry icky, like used, occupied mousetraps or other resonably intact animal remains).
Oh and speaking of shredded paper one of the plans the neigborhood recycling center came up with to deal with the mess of shredded paper (you have to put it out in competely open bags which always spill) was to suggest that there be special recycling bins where people would put outany papers they wanted shredded to be shredded by the village (basically they wanted people to drop off things they wanted shredded (competely intact) in an open recycling bin (where anyone who passed by would be free to riffle through it) marked "Papers that are to be shredded" and leave it on the curb with the rest of the recycling.
re: mrfood16
One 13-gallon bag holds approximately 2 days trash in our non-recycling building... One roll of trash bags lasts a long time. My parents used to use grocery bags for their trash but their bin was right outside the front door, not downstairs and around the back of the building...
re: mrfood16
The plastic shopping bags really don't really fit the typical kitchen garbage can. I did the dry dump like everyone else- wet items went into the kitchen garbage can and then when I went to empty it, I just dumped the other smaller garbages into the big bag. As many have pointed out, many neighborhoods either require specific types of garbage bags or that you at least use one larger size. One of my friends lives in a neighborhood that charges a $2 fee per trash bag put out, so of course she's not going to use a tiny grocery bag when she can put 2 weeks worth of trash into the larger size.
re: mrfood16
In addition, the paper bags are recycled here, as I'm sure elsewhere. We can't use those for trash.
re: mrfood16
for our household of 2 we use about 1 plastic trash bag per week, if that. I have no problem with that. I rarely get a paper bag, if I do it is recycled.
re: mrfood16
When I used to get plastic grocery bags, there would be so many, that I could never use them all if I used them as garbage bags! I used to take the bags back to the store to reuse anyway.
Recently in Toronto, the plastic bag fee was put into place and people were whining that they wouldn't have bags to pick up their dog poo and as garbage bags. The way I look at it, maybe if people have to buy their bags, they will be more conscious of how many they are using.
The new rule hasn't really affected my life. Where I get groceries they have been charging for bags for years. As well, we don't have a car so groceries are either carried home or put in our buggy. The reusable bags are much better for this. I also save my clear vegetable bags and reuse them when I shop. I have a small fold up bag that I keep in my purse for unexpected shopping.
re: mrfood16
Actually mrfood16, that was the thought that has been percolating around in my little head since this re-usable shopping bag effort started.
If you are still using plastic for your garbage, what exactly are you saving? I can understand that in certain cases you are restricted by community bylaws and regulations, but for the most part, I have yet to see a clear reason for these communities to start passing laws requiring grocers to start charging for bags.
Now, don't get me wrong. I do use re-usable bags when going out for quick shopping trips and running errands, but when my garbage/recycling bag supply goes down, I have them pack my groceries in grocery bags.
BTW, I see that the 20 cent charge was defeated in a referendum.
re: NE_Elaine
What alternative would you suggest? I haven't been to a grocery store in years that still offers paper bags (which are typically easier to recycle than plastic bags), nor have I lived anywhere that allows you to put out loose trash.
re: NE_Elaine
I might use 3 big (purchased) bags a week for the household trash. I used to get a couple dozen little plastic ones a week before I started using reusables. That seems like a big improvement.
I do use reusable bags for the most part for my shopping.
I DO buy plastic garbage bags for trash.
I have come up with a solution for my recycling which needs to be bagged as well - I have a lot of dry cleaning and I have started to use the bags to hold my recycling. I tie a knot on the end of the bag on the hanger hole side then put this into my can. I just tie another knot on the other end of the bag when full. We are lucky here thought hat we don't have to separate our recyclables though so that helps.
My compromise is that I have three canvas bags, so I use them first, then whatever doesn't fit in them goes into the store's paper or plastic bags. That way I always have a couple of disposable bags around for whatever I may need, but I don't have an overabundance. I usually end up with no more than four disposable bags per trip (about once every two weeks), so that works out well for me. I do buy garbage bags, because we have 50-gallon drums, but that's for outside, not inside.
I do buy plastic garbage bags - we have to pay for private trash pickup where I live (town waste center won't accept household garbage). We use the kitchen trash as the "main trash" and none of the other bins in the house get lined.
We've cut down on our waste significantly. Anything that MIGHT be considered as recyclable goes in the recycle bin (private trash contractor can throw it out if it's not recyclable), and we have a compost pile at the back of our property. So all in all, maybe 1-2 trash bags per week for the landfill.
For those interested in composting (outside) but worried about the smell of the bin - I was recently amazed, while at a relative's house, when I asked where her compost bin was and she directed me to the FREEZER. We now have non-smelly fodder for compost, instead of summertime smelly compost that has to be taken out every other day!
As an aside - I rarely go to WalMart (EvilMart), but it is the best place to take reusable bags. The look on the cashier's face as they go through the motions of "how do I do this, can't use revolving plastic baggie contraption" is priceless. (Not trying to being mean, I just like bucking the system!)
re: bakinggirl
hehehe, bakinggirl, I like how you think! we have a grocery store with the revolving baggie thing, that I go to only rarely but get a similar reaction to the reusable bags. :)
re: jujuthomas
Interesting. I, too, rarely go to Wal-Mart, but on the occasions I do, I just tell the cashier (before he/she starts ringing up my order) and there's never been a problem (or reaction) to the canvas bags (nor at the grocery store or Meijer, both of which actually sell the reusable bags). I'm not exacting in a sophisticated metropolis, either. In any case, I'm glad to see more people like you who use the reusables!
re: nofunlatte
Oh boy do I ever get a huge reaction! I have even been told that no, they don't allow that from people that unfortunatly have no clue how to do anything. I almost had to call over a manager once. I get absolutly hell for it though. Oftentimes I have people that get so confused though regardless of the store. It isn't just about the breaking ot the routine of tossing the items into a certain spot. These people really can't seem to handle it. I get a few people that are happy with the request but often there is disbelief, arguing, they try to convince me otherwise. I stick to my guns having to resort at times to telling people that if they don't comply with my request that I will simply have to walk away from the sale.
One grocery store around me was more than priceless though. i had an old man that worked there yell at me because he thought that the use of my reusable bags would put the plastic shopping bag people out of business. I was thrilled and told him that was exactly what I hoped would happen! The best part is that even at the time thewy were selling reusable bags - and they still do, and the cashiers NEVER ask you if you have a bag you would like to use. Even if you toss your bag at the end of the register aisle they STILL start putting things into plastic bags.
Crazy thing it that i live in pittsburgh, so it's not like I live in a small rural town. I live for the days that i visit Whole foods or Trader Joes where they welcome the reusable bags with open arms. Such bliss!
re: Allice98
Yeah, I usually end up bagging my own groceries at Wal-Mart. Doesn't really bother me, but it is kind of funny. My Wal-Mart has their own canvas bags now - they even take up one slot on the revolving bag thing with them, but I have never had a cashier try to use them or sell me one. They automatically use the plastic. I also used to catch some ribbing when I was still in Florida. I carry around 3 Publix bags and one generic one. Invariably, the Sweetbay baggers thought it was hilariously cute to tell me I wasn't allowed to use the Publix ones. Every time I went in. Le sigh.
re: Allice98
I can't tell you how many times the cashier has frantically searched for a bar code with which to ring up the reusable bags I bring from home. Even at the stores where reusables are becoming more common... lol.
re: Allice98
I've been told in retail stores that they're "not allowed" to use my canvas bags, they have to put them in a plastic store bag to have me take it out of the store. But then I reply, "But what if I bought something too big for a bag, I wouldn't have to have that in a plastic bag to leave the store," and then they say "then you'd have your receipt ready and they could check it at the door if they needed to." And I say, "why can't I do that with the things I'm buying today?" And then they look exasperated or repeat that they have to do things a certain way and rather than stand there arguing, I just let them place it in the bag, then I take the bag off at the end of the check stand and put it back on their table and put the items in my bag before I leave. I get a lot of nasty stares.
re: rockandroller1
I won't do that personally - the only reason is if I leave the bag at the end of the checkout line it will be thrown in the garbage instead of recycled. That bothers me a lot. I just stick to my guns and repeat no bag or tell them the truth if they persist, that I will walk away from the sale and shop somewhere else. The fact that they would have to clean up all the items themselves seems to make them realize I should get my own way on this one.
I don't know what they have to complain about - I pack my own bag as well.....
re: rockandroller1
I do the same thing. I put my canvas bags on the belt in front of my purchases. When the bagger pushes them aside and starts to load in plastic, I slip to the end, unload the plastic and reload in canvas while he continues to load in plastic. If it's a carousel the bags never come off the carousel because I've already repacked them. After one or two bags he gets the message and loads in canvas. This never happens in grocery stores, just other retail stores. I've got my receipt and generally plenty of time if the door nazis feel compelled to check my bags.
As for garbage bags, where we use to live in NY we were required to use a clear plastic biodegradable garbage bag by the waste collection company. Where we live now in VA there is no garbage pick up just dumpster sites with recycling sheds at locations throughout the county. We continue to use the biodegradable bags, for household garbage, cardboard boxes for recyclables and all vegetal waste goes in our compost heaps. We total about 1 garbage bag per week after composting and recycling.
re: Allice98
I am just flabbergasted--in Pittsburgh, no less. I'm in an economically depressed, conservative backwater small city and I have NEVER encountered anything remotely like this! Thanks for the eye-opener.
re: jujuthomas
The worst is when I don't have a bag, and have only bought a couple of items, I say "Oh, I don't need a bag, thanks." THAT comment seems to make the nasty side of people come out. (I have rec'd independent verification that I can say this politely but I still get a weird look.)
Allice98 - the old man story about putting the shopping bag people out of business is great. Did he worry about the paper bag people, or the glass milk bottle people (or better still the milk delivery guy), or his local butcher, baker etc? I doubt it....
re: bakinggirl
On the bright side, at least the automatic checkout machines slowly seem to be getting the "I don't need a bag" or "I have my own bag" features. Whenever I use those, I almost always get one item that can go in my purse or another bag I bought, so it was really annoying to have to get the bag just so I could check out.
re: queencru
I actually just set the item down in from of the bag stand and then pick it up after the transaction is over. Of course inevitably I get a store employee that will come over and tell me that I am doing it wrong..... I really avoid going to those stores for the most part because of the bag issue actually. It's that troublesome and bothersome because I spend the time from walking in until checkout dreading the checkout process.
re: Allice98
Before they had the "use a different bag" I'd either get "unidentified item on the bag stand" or the system would get stuck when I didn't put something in a bag. Either way, you couldn't move past that screen until you used their stupid bags. That problem seems to be fixed now that so many people are bringing in cloth bags. This is a store that has no problems putting the bags onto the lazy susan thing at the checkout.
re: queencru
Ah - ours are set up differently in the grocery stores specifically. But you still can't use your own bag in the self checkout line on the stand - that sets it off.
re: bakinggirl
I have discovered here that the gas stations and stores are required by law to put large "single-serve" (?) alcoholic beverages in bags. This applies to 40z bottles and 24z cans of beer. I have a bunch of brightly colored Sheetz bags under the sink to attest to this, since I don't usually bring my bags in for just a few items.
I have had something similar to this for 10+ years now and havenot bought regular plastic trash bags in that time. I got mine at Ikea back then.
I used to use canvas bags when nobody else did and seemed to be snickered at a lot. Now I ask for paper lined with plastic.
Here the grocery store plastic bags often have holes in them making them unsuitable for trash anyways. They are rather flimsy and quite small (with the exception of Target bags). I switched to canvas years ago. Easier to carry, too. I buy regular 13 gallon bags for the kitchen trash. We don't go through them very fast at all. I bought 2 boxes of 30 bags (60 bags total) on sale last summer. We're about half way through the second box now. In other rooms, the trash is just tossed in the wastebasket sans bag which is then emptied into the kitchen trash.
As many others have posted, I buy 13 gallon trash bags for my kitchen trash can and all other waste baskets in my apartment go without liners. Once a week I empty the small waste baskets into the large kitchen bag, which makes it just about full, so the trash only has to go out once a week. It's generally a pain to take out the trash, the dumpster isn't very convenient, so I try to minimize the number of bags I have to carry. Recycling is equally out of the way, but in the opposite direction. Whenever I forget my reusable grocery bags I get paper ones, and use them for the recycling. We only have to sort paper vs. not paper, so two paper bags every 2-3 weeks covers me for recycling.
Plastic bags are cheap, but not free. If the store isn't charging a fee for the bags themselves then the cost is passed on to customers through their other purchases. I would rather use reusable grocery bags, save the cost of plastic grocery bags, and spend my money on trash bags that are a better size for my living arrangement. If you want/need smaller bags for trash or pet waste, then buy smaller bags, either as box of small bags or as plastic grocery bags.
re: mpjmph
Instead of plastic trash bags, we use these:
They're available at our local Whole Foods and cost just a wee bit more per unit than regular plastic trash bags. The extra expense is well worth the knowledge that these won't sit in a landfill for years. They are both biodegradable and compostable, so if you have a compost bin you can use them for food waste and toss into the bin. They even make smaller-sized bags for keeping compostable food waste separate from trash that needs to be hauled away.
We usually take the tras out a couple times a week and the bags haven't had any issues with beginning to compost before we get them out to the cans.
For years I was one of those weirdies that arrived with their own bags. You could see the mothers gathering in their children in the checkout line in case they caught something. In fact it was worse than that. I used ... a backpack. This was primarily cus I was too lazy to walk back from the car to the $1 get-out-of-trail buggies.
It's now a fine art. Up to 50lb in the back pack. One over-the-shoulder insulated bag. One of those huge blue $1 Ikea bags for soft veg/fruit and one canvas for everything else.
I have been upgraded from weird to off-beat by the ecological movement.
re: Paulustrious
We also use a backpack, in addition to canvas bags, and a couple string bags.
Until my beloved dog died a couple of months ago, the issue wasn't garbage, but poop bags.
Now I use all reusable bags for my groceries.
Food scraps go down the disposer (I live in the city and don't have any use for compost).
All the recycled stuff goes in the recycling bin.
The rest of the garbage goes in tall kitchen garbage bags, which I buy. Yes, it does sound like a bit of shame, but those little plastic grocery bags wouldn't hold enough trash anyway.
I am a dog owner and we go through a lot of plastic bags. I do use reusable bags quite a bit and the WF here does not offer plastic, only paper. So we have actually started buying specialized poop bags ( which I swore I would never do).
re: insomnia
How do you use plastic grocery bags as your kitchen trash bag? They're not big enough to fit into most trash containers. They're not big enough to hold even a means worth of trash. How many do you use a day?
re: chicgail
Here in Toronto we have those trash containers that are hoisted by an arm and dumped in the top of a truck. We don't need garbage bags (big or small) except for sticky stuff.
re: Paulustrious
I think chicgail means the indoor kitchen trash containers, which are typically hold 13 gallons. The outdoor containers (called "toters" where I live) get lifted by a mechanical arm on the trash truck.
I buy the 13-gallon trash bags for the kitchen container. The other containers hold dry waste and get dumped into the kitchen one on an as-needed basis.
re: nofunlatte
I explained myself badly. I have an Ikea double under-sink trash container that pulls out on rails, or can be picked up by the handle. Thin (ie stretchy) plastic bags fir over the top. However, one of them I use for stuff that goes in the compost heap. Most of the rest of my trash goes in the large 'toters' without any plastic bag. I use a maximum of two bags per week - probably less. Somehow or other we acquire that many without purchasing. The only bags I now buy are the heavy industrial ones from home depot for clearing up bricks, plaster, wood etc.
The pull-out works very well, but I had to plumb my waste pipes right at the back of 'under-the-sink' in order to fit it in. Most plumbers don't care enough to do that for you unless you ask. It's more awkward, takes longer and uses a couple of extra fittings
re: chicgail
For years I had a can that was sized specifically for the plastic grocery bags, and that's what I used in the kitchen. With two of us, it would probably be realistically about two of those bags a week in there, but often more like one and a half. But, we recently switched to a step-on 13 gallon can that we managed to wedge into the kitchen space. This has meant just one bag per week unless we have some extraordinary amount of stuff. On a good week, I can get the bedroom and bathroom trash (no bags used) to fit into the same 13 gallon kitchen bag. Now the grocery bags are just for scooping the litter box into (I don't know what else to do with that) or for various other purposes. I'm not convinced the bigger kitchen can will really cut our reuse of the grocery bags much. We do have plenty of reusable meshy type bags (the ones sold for $1 with the store's logo, typically) but don't always remember to take them in.
I'd be better off focusing perhaps on our use of 33 gallon black bags to put out to the curb. One of the things I always hated was the stinky can you put out to the curb, so I've avoided it for the 6 years I've been in a house with normal curb service. (Before that it was apartment with dumpster.) Goes back to when I was a kid, probably, really stinky can. It's also nice not to have to worry about it rolling into the street, getting run over, etc. Trying to convince myself that because the trash is picked up on Monday mornings before I leave the house, most weeks it there would only be an hour or so that the can was left out empty. (Has to go out full the night before, though.) And that since most weeks there is very little trash that needs to be put down in the garage before collecting it all to go to the curb, the can would not stink so much. Heh. But then, at least some of the trash that normally goes directly into the black bag may need to be in something else, so I may not reduce the plastic that much. Loose trash in the can is just asking to be blown over and spilled everywhere....
re: chicgail
The bag handles go over the two top parts, holding the bag open and the top lid flips when you want to put something inside it.
I have just the top part, because I got it years ago and that was all they made. In this one, the bottom holds extra trash bags. I have a separate thing to hold those.
I maybe fill one every other day. Sometimes one a day if I am cleaning or cooking a lot. I have not bought plastic bags in over ten years.
re: chicgail
I have a small kitchen trash can. I only create one or two plastic grocery bags of trash each week.
re: prscms
Thanks for the reminder. I have a wonderful bag made of that parachute-like material (very strong; very large; very light-weight) that rolls up and snaps together like a tiny little umbrella. It lives in my purse I recently noticed that mine smelled bad -- undoubtedly the bacteria -- and washed it.
I need to make sure I do that often. Gross.


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Restaurant wedding locations
Hi there...
I am looking for a relatively inexpensive restaurant location for our wedding.
We are looking for an outdoor area that is pretty, with great food, that is not crazy expensive, and can hold about 40 people
Any good ideas???
Thank you!!
re: hpcat
but the food is so bleh there!
I was thinking maybe the Odyessea, but the food isn't spectacular there, either. They do lotsa weddings, though.
Does Duke's in malibu have a patio?
Ca' Del Sole might work, but it can be pricey.
Inn of the Seventh Ray is pretty, but also pricey.
What about the cafe at the getty?
re: aching
A friend recently told me that Duke's did some restructuring....and the Barefoot Bar is gone. Haven't had a chance to confirm it, though.
I don't know your budget but I have been to lovely weddings at Il Cielo. The owner, Pasquale, helped up plan a party for my mother-in-law and we found them surprisingly accommodating on the budget. It's very charming.
I know this sounds crazy, especially because it's not pretty or outdoors, but if we were planning our wedding again and only had 40 guests, I'd hustle on over to Pizzeria Mozza and see how much it would be to buy them out for a Friday/Saturday night. It's such a celebratory space and the food is consistently unbelievable which is more than you can say for most of the wedding options out there.
re: Suebee
You call buying out MOzza "relatively inexpensive"!??!?!
re: Diana
This is LA. ANYPLACE can be rented out for the right price. (Disney Concert Hall is yours for only $20,000!)
On topic though, McCormick and Schmicks in Pasadena shares a beautiful outdoor area with Pasadena City Hall and the Westin Hotel. You might want to give them a call, although I will add that I was disappointed in their service during our wedding rehearsal dinner two years ago. Things might be better now, though, and it really is an nice space.
Also, Cafe Pinot has a lovely patio overlapping the Maguire Gardens at LA Central Library. (Which is, incidentally, where I got married.) There is a $500 or so fee to rent the Gardens, but if you have the wedding at Cafe Pinot itself, you might be able to circumvent that fee. Just a couple of ideas.
My daughter was just married at the Chart House in Dana Point in Sept. and it was absolutely wonderful! The view from their lawn overlooks the marina below, cliffs to the left, ocean to the right. The restaurant lawn is available for the ceremony at 11:00 a.m. and then after pictures, (about 12:30) the reception is inside their cozy dining room (with big windows to enjoy the view). Holds about 100 but you don't have to have that many. You have the entire restaurant (with a small dance floor) until 4 p.m. We spent very little on flowers (actually, just the bouquets, corsages and boutinierres) because the view was so wonderful - they provide an arched trellis which you can decorate or not. We didn't need much in the way of table decor (flowers) either for the dinner, - they do a fanned napkin, so we had simple centerpieces (blue vases with yellow lillies). The food was wonderful (prime rib, salmon, chicken - all you can eat with a salad bar). This was great as we had about 10 friends who were vegetarians. We had no complaints about the food or service (only good comments) - the staff were discreet and efficient, and worked well with the vendors. They also do the cake cutting free - that saves you several hundred dollars right there, and no charge for parking (it's on-site). We had a simple champagne toast but you can have as much bar available as you want. They have a list of vendors they recommend but we had our own minister, bakery & florist. We loved their guitarist who played for the ceremony and the dinner. We had several people tell us it was the most beautiful wedding they'd ever been to. Contact Ken and check it out. This was MUCH better that trying to get a permit, chairs, etc. for a beach wedding - they do all the set-up and clean-up. I won't post prices but we spent half (or less) as much as a local country club/golf course would have charged us, and no golf carts spoiling the view!
re: Joani Macaroni
Honestly, does anyone tell the parents at a wedding "this is the ugliest and worst wedding I've been to" ?
Or, "As far as weddings and receptions goes, I guess yours was OK." ?
But the Chart House sounds like they did a fabulous job!
re: Joani Macaroni
But I think price is an important factor for the OP.


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A cigarette, a joint, a smokie treat. Something that when you put a lighter up to it, the lighter says, "You are my most beautiful creation." An ST, a zesty, zesty, ST.
Greg: Hey LT Douchebag!
LT: Yes??
Greg: I need one of them there ST's!
LT: Some zest?
Greg: Yes you faggot, some zesty, zesty, ST's.
LT: Yes??
Greg: I need one of them there ST's!
LT: Some zest?
Greg: Yes you faggot, some zesty, zesty, ST's.
by AK's Piece March 14, 2008
An acronym for small talk, a forum part of PBnation
person 1: LETS GO ON ST FOR T3H SECKS ADVICE!
person 2: lets not...
person 2: lets not...
by Will Hester October 08, 2005
A common abbreviation for the ever popular arcade fighting-game Super Street Fighter 2 Turbo made by Capcom in 1994, and using the Capcom Play System 2(CPS2) -arcade board. Mostly used by professional / tourney -players.
Hey, Tom, how about we play a few casuals of ST?
by XRushdownX April 14, 2008
swedish tuck - the act of hiding an erection behind the elastic in your pants
He began to ST when he had a morning bulge
by tory borty May 11, 2013
Abbreviation for 'same thing'.
Uhh don't you mean..
ST, you know what I meant!
ST, you know what I meant!
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According to Breast Cancer UK 331,000 people a year were diagnosed with cancer in 2011 in the UK only, that's around 910 people every day, or 38 people every hour. It's so common now that unfortunately 30% of us will experience cancer at some point in our life.
Breast Cancer Care recently surveyed women and men affected by secondary breast cancer, which cannot be cured. We wanted to establish if they were in pain because of the side effects of their cancer and treatment. Shockingly, we found that 90% of them were, many of them on a near daily basis.
The research indicates that high breast density is a particularly significant risk factor, with women with the highest density up to five times more likely to develop breast cancer than those with low density.
Cancer itself can affect the way things taste - some tumours can secrete substances which means foods don't have the same flavour. Treatments can also affect it. Chemotherapy is designed to destroy rapidly-dividing cancer cells, but it can also damage normal cells which divide rapidly - such as those in your mouth.
In April 2013, my sister Geraldine got the devastating news that she had secondary breast cancer, just months after being told she had recovered from a long and painful battle with the disease which had begun some six years earlier. It's hard to put into words how I felt. The pain and anger were soon joined by a sense of helplessness...
Leaving hospital I can't help but notice a difference in me; I've lost a lot of strength and really struggle to climb the stairs. I'm very, very tired. Then the dark thoughts start swirling around my mind - is this ever going to get better? Is this now the beginning of the end that I keep talking about? Has my determination finally run out? Can I feel the fingers of death on the edge of my consciousness?
Boobs. Knockers. Jubblies. Funbags. Mosquito bites. Fried eggs. Wind socks. If you're a woman you'll have had a set of these at some stage of your life. Whether you're hung like Katie Price or as flat as a waifish super-model, you'll have fretted over whether they were too big, too small, too saggy, too pert, nipples too dark, too light, too saucerish, too small.
Recently I've had whole brain radiotherapy, which wasn't too bad and so far has really worked! Lots of the numb parts of my face have feeling again and the headaches have gone. So even though my fluffy hair has fallen out again I'm happy I had it. Now the boring 'sick person' bit is over with, I'll tell you all about my adventures!
For me, breast cancer is both personal and professional. My sister, Adrienne, has breast cancer. Adrienne's cancer has spread to her bones, known as secondary breast cancer, for which there is currently no cure.
So it's happened then. The moment I have spent the last three and a half years running away from has happened. The moment when the doctor says the chemotherapy isn't working anymore and there are no more options left. The moment when you are signed off to let nature take its course.
We've made great progress in overcoming breast cancer in the last 20 years, but there is still much more to do as it is still the most common form of cancer. With Walk the Walk's generosity we can continue to fund vital projects to ensure that more lives are saved from breast cancer in the future.
My life has changed forever now. My life is being in bed or on the sofa. It's having friends visit for a few hours a day to keep me company. It's having relatives stay to give me a break from having to look after myself. Sure, life doesn't look like what it used to, but it's still a life.
This wonderful occasion gives us the opportunity to thank just a few of our many supporters for their outstanding achievements and dedicated support over the past year, and is, without doubt, one of my favourite events in the Breast Cancer Campaign calendar.
My cancer journey has been going on for 10 years now. When it started I was just getting into the frame of mind of having serious relationships; getting married and having children. As things have turned out, I've had to sit on the sidelines watching my friends do it instead. After I was diagnosed I knew I would never have children.
I'm at a very tough stage as the cancer recently spread further in my bones and liver and also took up residency in my lungs again. Add to that the fact that my body is so weak from constant chemotherapy for over a year, the need to control the cancer is more vital than ever. If this current chemotherapy doesn't work, my options become very limited.
In a world where everyone is so busy and constantly on the go, it's very rare that we get to stop and think about the things that are important to us. Last week, it was refreshing to see a campaign which cut through the noise and saw people come together to take action for a very worthy cause.


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Hello, I had a hysteroscopy to remove an IUD a couple of weeks ago, but the doctor did not see anything. So, I am thinking that the IUD had to have expelled itself. Should I spend the extra money to have the CT scan done? Wouldn't the doctor have been able to see something, even if it was embedded in my uterus?
Good afternoon!
Before I answer more fully, please tell me:
1. What has your doctor said about the location of your IUD?
2. When ws this IUD inserted?
3. What kind of IUD is/was it?
4. Describle in detail the moments during which your IUD was inserted. How much pain was there? Was it ever what you might call sharp pain? Did you scream out?
5. How often and for how long after insertion were you able to feel the strings of your IUD?
6. How old are you?
7. What is your pregnancy history and do you plan to become pregnant in the future?
8. Finally, and perhaps most important, what else do you want me to know about you?
Please send me these answers to my questions and I will be able to give you some thoughts.
Her email reply on 5-3: "I had the Mirena inserted in 2010, so I have had it in 3 and a half years. When I had it inserted it was painful, mostly crampy, but some sharp pain here and there (nothing to make me yell out though). I was almost ready to just go on the pill, because the doctor seemed to have a hard time getting it in, but he finally got it. So yes, I would use the word painful!
I am 32 years old. I have had two pregnancies. I decided to have the Mirena put in after my second pregnancy. I went in a couple months ago to have it removed because we want to have another child now. The doctor could not find it, so I had an ultrasound done. All we could see was a shadow. Could not see a clear picture of the IUD. The doctor said where the shadow was it looked to be where it should. I went in to have a hysteroscopy a few weeks ago to have it removed and the doctor did not see anything. Now I have a CT scan scheduled for next week to see if it's even in there. I have just been bothered by the fact that even I saw the shadow in the ultrasound, so I was confused when he couldn't find it with the hysteroscope.
No, I have never been able to feel my strings. I remember checking after I got home from having it put in and I could not feel anything. I heard that the doctor that put it in tends to cut the strings short when he inserts IUDs.
I know you cannot give me an actual diagnosis. I am just wondering if the chances of the IUD being expelled at some point are more likely than it being embedded. Do you think I should go back and pay the money to discuss this with my doctor? I am paying for the CT scan out of pocket and just wondering if it's even worth having done.
I do have a heavy period that lasts one day each month, but my period never went away completely after I had the Mirena put in, although it did lighten up. Recently I noticed it has been heavier, but still only lasts one day whereas before I had the Mirena put in, my periods lasted 4 days.
Thank you for your time!"
Several things suggest that there is a possibility that your IUD was placed though the uterine wall in the process of insertion. You experienced sharp pain – enough to almost go to the pill rather than to complete insertion. Then you never felt the strings. Now the IUD has not been found at hysteroscopy or ultrasound.
You could however, have expelled your IUD, in which case it will not show up on the CT scan.
Please keep me posted after the scan.
What is your status today, May 24th?
Her email reply on 5-25: "Hello! I had the CT scan done and it did perforate the uterus. The doctor said it looks to be behind the bladder somewhere. Now I am waiting to have a laproscopy done to find and remove it."
To learn more about the advantages and disadvantages of the Mirena IUD, go to:
www.managingcontraception.com and click on Choices. You can also order this wonderful new educational book from our website or by calling 404-875-5001. Do you have your copy yet?
Key words: hysteroscopy, IUD, expelled, CT scan, embedded, uterus, pain, cramps, strings, pregnancy, Mirena (levonorgestrel) IUD, pills, removed, ultrasound, shadow, heavy periods, uterine wallPosted 5-12-2013, Updated 5-18-2013, May 25, 2013
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- October 3rd, 2007
Larson Newspapers
The Chapel area will get city sewer connections if City Council approves a sales tax bond resolution, but the city isn't promising anything to the rest of those still waiting for sewer access.
A sales tax bond waiting council approval includes a $7.4 million Chapel area sewer project, $1.9 million Chapel area drainage project and $2.4 million Harmony Windsong drainage project.
The city plans to tack this $11.7 million onto an existing $6 million in bonds the city already decided to sell for its obligation to the Hwy. 179 Improvement Project.
All other capital projects — including other city sewer connections — will have to wait until other funding sources are found, according to City Manager Eric Levitt.
"All future [sewer] projects are on hold until we come up with an alternative," Levitt said.
The city is discussing possibly pursuing voter approval on two general obligation bonds in 2008 — one for sewer projects and another for general capital projects.
"If we as a city want the rest of the city sewered, the GO bond would be a way to go," Levitt said.
Voter approval is needed for GO bonds, but not sales tax bonds.
After the Chapel area receives sewer, council members said they don't know how much more the city can spend on other neighborhoods.
"We can't afford, as a city, to spend all our assets on sewer," Councilman Harvey Stearn said at a council retreat Thursday, Sept. 27.
Initially, Stearn was skeptical of the Chapel area project.
"I have a real problem spending $7.5 million on one neighborhood," Stearn said, especially if the city later tells others they won't ever get sewer.
Stearn later changed his mind on principle.
"There is an expectation in the Chapel area that sewer is coming," Vice Mayor Jerry Frey said. "These people have been promised, rightly or wrongly, since 1998."
Councilwoman Nancy Scagnelli said people lose faith in government when expectations aren't met.
"I do think in this particular case we should show good faith and move forward," Scagnelli said.
Stearn agreed with Scagnelli's loss-of-faith theory but said it's a "very expensive lesson" for the city.
Levitt said he recommended council move forward with this sewer project because the city already has a design. The city hopes to have Chapel area sewer and drainage construction completed by summer 2010. Harmony Windsong drainage should take two-and-a-half years to design and construct.
Both counties will contribute to the drainage projects. Yavapai County will pay $385,000 toward the Harmony Windsong project and Coconino County will contribute approximately $500,000 to the Chapel
During budget meetings at the end of fiscal year 2006-07, council identified nine capital projects it wanted to construct, three of which are the sewer and drainage projects.
Projects not currently slated for funding include Hwy. 89A medians, road improvements, Rodeo Road and Sanborn Drive sidewalk, Ranger Road and Brewer Road improvements, Windsong Road drainage, and Andante Drive sidewalk.
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Bayelsa State indigenes, particularly from Ogbia, President Goodluck Jonathan's local government, have said the President must contest the 2015 election, whether he likes it or not.
They said there is sentiment in politics, noting that in 2015, it is Jonathan and no other person.
This decision was taken in Ogbia on Saturday during the formal conferment of a vote of confidence on President Jonathan.
The event, which witnessed two lectures, rally, book presentation on achievements of Jonathan, was organised by the Ogbia Graduates Forum for Positive Change.
Delivering a lecture on 'A call for President Jonathan re-election bid: A collective responsibility,' Mr. Awudumapu Agorodi, Special Adviser to Bayelsa Governor on Youths Mobilsation, said those trying to harass Jonathan out of office would not succeed.
He said the Ijaw nation had fed the country for over 50 years yet some power mongers would not let Jonathan be, first Ijaw man to be President of Nigeria.
Agorodi said, "We must not forget that it is no secret that Nigeria is the sixth largest producer of oil and petroleum in the world, and that is the mainstay of the Nigerian economy.
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Island Tire and Automotive Services
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About Island Tire and Automotive
Island Tire and Automotive located at 15605 S Padre Island Drive in Corpus Christi, TX services vehicles for AC and Heating Repair. Call (361) 949-4949 to book an appointment or to hear more about the services of Island Tire and Automotive.
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