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The Suburban Journals of Greater St. Louis, the local newspapers owned by the same company as the Post-Dispatch and published online at stltoday.com are undergoing a major transition that involves shuttering two print editions and laying off twenty employees. The official announcement from parent ... More >>
The price of the Monday through Saturday Post-Dispatch increased 50 percent last week from $1.00 to $1.50. The Sunday paper also jumped 50 cents to $2.50.
Berkshire Hathaway, billionaire Warren Buffett's conglomerate, revealed in SEC filings Tuesday that the company has increased its stake in Lee Enterprises to the tune of 3.23 million shares. That just about doubles the amount of Lee stock Berkshire Hathaway owns, which it first acquired when Buffett ... More >>
It's a truly bad day for St. Louis journalism -- the Post-Dispatch has laid off 23 employees, including editors Judith Evans, Steve Parker, Daivd Sheets and Tim Bross, three reporters, a web editor and the editorial cartoonist. This comes one day after Mary Junck, CEO of the paper's owner Lee Enterp ... More >>
As you may have heard, the Post-Dispatch laid off 23 employees today. The company announced the development eventually, in this unbylined story. Is it unbylined because no one wanted to write it, or because there was no one left to write it, edit it and produce an image to accompany it? Lee Enterpri ... More >>
Lee Enterprises announced a third-quarter loss of only $1.5 million, which is down quite a bit from the losses of $155 million in the same quarter of the previous year. Successfully pushing that decimal point two places to the left means that shares only lost three cents of their value in the third ... More >>
Late Tuesday, Berkshire Hathaway -- the conglomerate controlled by investment wizard Warren Buffet -- was forced by SEC fiat to disclose that it had bought $2.1 million worth of shares in Lee Enterprises, parent company of the Post-Dispatch. So naturally, here's what happened:
Post-Dispatch employees enrolled in the Pulitzer pension plan received letters this weekend notifying them that Lee Enterprises chose to exercise an election that allowed the company to defer paying into the plan for all of 2011. So Lee deferred making payments to employee pensions for 2011, but gav ... More >>
Many of you shared our outrage a few weeks ago when we reported that Lee Enterprises, parent company of the Post-Dispatch, gave its CEO Mary Junck a $500,000 bonus for successfully guiding the corporation out of bankruptcy. CFO Carl Schmidt made out pretty well, too: He got $250,000. The P-D employ ... More >>
Late yesterday afternoon Lee Enterprises officially left behind its bankrupt status. The parent corporation of our own Post-Dispatch, as well as more than 40 other daily newspapers, successfully repackaged boatloads of debt without paying any of it down or selling it off. That means the big payme ... More >>
The nearest image of a "face palm" Joseph Pulitzer we could find.Here's betting that the corporate brass at Lee Enterprises up in Davenport has no idea that today is the anniversary of the founding of the Post-Dispatch. If it did, you'd think it would choose any day but today to officially fi ... More >>
Lee Enterprises stock has declined over the last fiscal year; revenue is expected to have dropped 3.3 percent during that time.The fiscal year is over for Lee Enterprises, the Iowa-based owner of the St. Louis Post-Dispatch, the Arizona Daily Star and a host of other daily newspapers -- and the n ... More >>
A subsidiary of Lee Enterprises hopes to take over management of freebie publication racks, like this one at Vintage Vinyl in the Delmar Loop.The publishers of such local indie publications as Sauce, Alive and Vital Voice have long relied on something of a free-for-all distribution system: They p ... More >>
Late yesterday afternoon, Iowa-based Lee Enterprises, parent company of the St. Louis Post-Dispatch and other newspapers, announced some potentially pretty good news: The company had gotten an agreement to push back the due date on some $864 million in debt.That deal is dependent on the company refi ... More >>
Lee Enterprises has loads of debt -- but the company's current market value has dipped below $50 million.Lee Enterprises -- parent company of the St. Louis Post-Dispatch, the Arizona Daily Star and a number of other smaller newspapers -- has been warned a second time in as many months that it cou ... More >>
Paper cuts: Hard to stop the bleeding.Lee Enterprises is mailing out buyout offers this week to its roughly 150 employees in the St. Louis Post-Dispatch newsroom. The Iowa-based parent company of the St. Louis daily has seen its depressed stock price dip impossibly lower this summer and hopes to ... More >>
courtesy of Google Finance.Lee Enterprises' stock (shown in blue) is down 20 percent in the last six months, as this graph shows. Fellow media giants Gannett (in red) and McClatchy (in yellow) have also lost considerable value.Another quarterly report, another piece of bad news.That's the woefull ... More >>
Lee Enterprises could lose its spot on the New York Stock Exchange.The stock for Lee Enterprises, the Iowa-based newspaper company that owns the St. Louis Post-Dispatch, has dropped to bargain-level prices -- as of July 1, it was trading at a mere 99 cents per share.And that could have serious re ... More >>
A bad day for Lee Enterprises could become a bad day for the P-D.Lee Enterprises, the Iowa-based company that owns the St. Louis Post-Dispatch, the Arizona Daily Star and a host of smaller newspapers, has issued a press release that explains a bit about that very bad day the company had earlier t ... More >>
Online revenue is growing for the Post-Dispatch's parent company -- but not nearly fast enough to replace the print advertisers being lost.Profits up; revenue down -- that generally means fewer journalists.That's the latest news from Lee Enterprises, based in Davenport, Iowa. The St. Louis Post-D ... More >>
Ian FroebNosh, the neighborhood bistro, in MaplewoodNow open at 7322 Manchester Road in Maplewood is Nosh, which calls itself "The Neighborhood Bistro" so you won't confuse it with other downtown Maplewood bistros like the Post Sports Bar & Grill and Las Palmas.Kidding.Seriously, though, don' ... More >>
Ian FroebCopia, immediately after the 2007 fireGeorge Mahe reports on Feast (that's Feast, the St. Louis Magazine food blog, not Feast, the new culinary magazine from Lee Enterprises) that at long last Copia Urban Winery (1122 Washington Avenue) will reopen at 11 a.m. on Friday, June 25.Copia has ... More >>
Wikimedia CommonsTalk to the hand...The mood was somber on Saturday afternoon as St. Louis Post-Dispatch employees strode into their union meeting to vote on Lee Enterprises' "last, best and final [contract] offer."The St. Louis Newspaper Guild's contract for P-D employees expired in June 2009; t ... More >>
Wikimedia CommonsThe union that represents St. Louis Post-Dispatch employees has hired a pair of flacks who ran PR for the POTUS' '08 campaign in anticipation of a public fight with the paper's owner. Contract talks between the St. Louis Newspaper Guild and Lee Enterprises broke down last we ... More >>
Wikimedia CommonsNegotiations between the St. Louis Post-Dispatch's corporate parent and the local union that represents the paper's staff have so deteriorated that union officials have agreed to free up $500,000 in union assets for tarring and feathering. The St. Louis Newspaper Guild is n ... More >>
Torn to Shreds: The guild says negotiations with Lee have grown "acrimonious."The St. Louis Newspaper Guild reports that Post-Dispatch owner Lee Enterprises wants to cut wages 15 percent in the first year of a new contract and another 5 percent in both the second and third years of the agreement. ... More >>
It all piles up.Several dozen former employees of the Post-Dispatch gathered yesterday morning outside the newspaper's office on Tucker Boulevard to protest cuts to their health-care coverage. As first reported last week in Daily RFT, Lee Enterprises, owner of the paper, notified former employees ... More >>
Our years apart have not dimmed the torch Unreal carries for former Post-Dispatch gossip columnist Jerry Berger. (Now that we think of it, make that "former Post-Dispatch and Globe-Democrat gossip columnist Jerry Berger"!) Yet we realize that not every St. Louisan follows the Berge ... More >>
Several former Suburban Journals staffers tell Daily RFT that the regional chain of free weeklies laid off an undetermined number of sports and news reporters yesterday. At the same time, the Journals managers told staff that the chain is restructuring its editions, and going from sixteen to ten. ... More >>
flickr.com/photos/iboy_danielDetails are beginning to emerge from the meeting we told you about last month involving some of the nation's biggest newspaper publishers -- including Lee Enterprises owner of the Post-Dispatch. Last week the Wall Street Journal reported that the newspaper honchos ... More >>
fllickr.com/photos/Fish EnterTop executives from Lee Enterprises, owner of the St. Louis Post-Dispatch, were among a select group of newspaper heavyweights who assembled in secret Thursday for a series of hush-hush discussions, including the possibility of charging for Web content. The meetin ... More >>
Late last week Lee Enterprises informed all the St. Louis Post-Dispatch's non-union editors and managers that they are required to take a *second* week-long furlough in 2009. According to the memo circulated, the furlough days must be taken between June and September 27. This time, pay will be reduc ... More >>
Friday's "Ass Clown" poll was a close one with rowdy students, newspaper executives, Elks and questionable businessmen all in the the running. In the end, though, it was executives of U.S. Fidelis who earned the most ire among Daily RFT readers. The Wentzville-based auto-warranty firm is being inves ... More >>
An anonymous tipster tells me (briefly) that Lee Enterprises'/St. Louis Post-Dispatch's Suburban Journals is laying off its "creative department" today. (By my tally, the last pink-slipping, of 45 employees, occurred last fall.) Supposedly the creative jobs are being "outsourced." Not sure how many ... More >>
Read this morning on Post-Dispatch reporter Jeremiah McWilliams' beer blog that he wouldn't be posting anything for a whole week. Blame the cost-cutter du jour in the media business: the furlough.I guess I was too preoccupied with other projects to notice that the daily's union, the St. Louis Newspa ... More >>
The local daily continues to rejig operations in the wake of significant cost-cutting (layoffs), and is now hoping to ramp up online traffic (revenues) with a social networking portal a la Facebook and the New York Times' TimesPeople. Called MySTLToday, the application apparently launche ... More >>
Columnist and commentary page editor Eric Mink and prep/college sports editor Cameron Hollway were among the slew of folks who got pink-slipped at the local daily yesterday. The St. Louis Post-Dispatch laid off 39 employees across four departments, including fourteen from the newsroom. ... More >>
Lee Enterprises, the company that owns the St. Louis Post-Dispatch, awarded its own today in Davenport, Iowa. About the Post, a press release states:
Some 45 people were fired at Suburban Journals on Friday, the same day that its corporate sibling, the St. Louis Post-Dispatch, laid off seventeen newsroom employees.
Only a month after the St. Louis Post-Dispatch laid off eighteen staffers, another eighteen heads are said to be on the chopping block today.
Dale Singer, formerly the online news editor for STLToday.com and one of five editors laid off from the Post-Dispatch just several weeks ago, will bring his web expertise to The Beacon. Travis Pitts
Did the Post-Dispatch deliberately give its new blog the same title as the competition?
You've probably gawked at The Smoking Gun's smorgasbord of Tony La Russa drunk-driving video footage by now. No? Well, go here, if you must. This is what Florida's very liberal public-records law can do for you. (Hey, strong Sunshine laws are a very, very good thing in a free society, but that doe ... More >>
Former St. Louis Post-Dispatch editor Ellen Soeteber has been named the Edith Kinney Gaylord Visiting Professor in Journalism Ethics at the Walter Cronkite School of Journalism and Mass Communication at Arizona State University. Flight of the phoenix: Ellen Soeteber resurfaces in Sun Devil land A ... More >>
Super snaps to the Ladue News, which appears to have broken a chunk of the evolving St. Louis Centre story that earned banner placement in the Post-Dispatch yesterday. The eminent LN -- like the Post, part of the Lee Enterprises empire of fine journalism -- had the scoop back on August 3! Not that ... More >>
An embittered Post-Dispatch reporter says her editors hung her out to dry.
Unreal spills the beans
The Post goes pirate, our talking billboards return in a big, nerdy way, and a local blogger condemns snobby metrosexuals. Plus, Unreal asks the question on everyone's mind: "Is white trash deserving of nannies?"
Some say Pulitzer Inc.'s sale to Lee Enterprises blew in quicker than a shotgun wedding. Others saw it coming a mile away.


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The Oyster Bay Historical Society opens its spring exhibition, It's Time for Tea!, on April 6. It will be on view at the Koenig Center, 20 Summit Street, through June 8. It features ceramics by members of the Long Island Craft Guild's Clay Media Group: both functional and sculptural work relating to tea are for sale. For more information, contact the Society at 922-5032 or visit oysterbayhistorical.org.
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DIY- Accordian Picture Frame Design for Young Adults, 7 p.m. at the Bayville Free Library, 34 School St. Kick off Spring Break and turn old DVD cases into a usable picture frame. Bring six pictures to create a masterpiece, open to children who are 10 years old and up. Visit the library to register.
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A fictional film set in the alluring world of one of the most stunning scandals to rock our nation, American Hustle tells the story of brilliant con man Irving Rosenfeld, who along with his equally cunning and seductive British partner Sydney Prosser is forced to work for wild FBI agent Richie DiMaso. DiMaso pushes them into a world of Jersey powerbrokers and mafia that's as dangerous as it is enchanting. Starring: Christian Bale, Amy Adams, Bradley Cooper, Jeremy Renner, Jennifer Lawrence. (Rated R for pervasive language, some sexual content and brief violence, 138 min.) At the Oyster Bay-East Norwich Public Library. For more information, call the library at (516) 922-1212. 2 p.m. and 6:30 p.m.
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Shopping lists: Running lists? Paper & ink? Laminated?
- pdxgastro Jan 30, 2013 09:52 PM
Hi all. Chemicalkinetics posted a survey about how you decide what to buy in a store (http://chowhound.chow.com/topics/887936).
I confessed that I finally see the light in having a running list. You know, milk, bread, eggs, etc.
Do you have a running list? What format is it in? I was thinking of laminating mine and writing on it with a dry erase marker. But would that smear?
Or maybe I should print out a paper list with my most frequently bought items and blank lines for thing I need for certain recipes.
When I lived with my sis, we used an old envelope. We wrote our list on the outside and kept any coupons on the inside. Weren't WE green? :o)
How do you make YOUR shopping list?
re: John Francis
Wait a minute, are you using a Palm Pilot, circa many years ago? I remember when they came out. I had the 'wants' really bad but never bought one.
I've tried several electronic 'to do' lists and still myself using slips of paper (I don't like Post It Notes). I don't have my old Rolodex however.
re: John E.
I've owned one Palm or another since the '90s, and am nursing a Zire72 for as long as its battery will last. Without it I'd be lost. In fact, I've already replaced it once thanks to eBay.
re: John Francis
Have you thought about using an iPod Touch?
re: John E.
Nope. My Zire ain't broke, it does everything I need, and I'm used to it. Some people drive vintage cars, I use a vintage PDA. :-)
re: John Francis
Whatever works--but I do hope you have an exit strategy (like an export of your essential data, your address book for example, in a format that is readable by other means besides the Palm software). Because one day your Zire is going to die, and it's going to be vintage enough that even eBay won't come to the rescue.
re: John Francis
re: John Francis
I, too, still use a Zire 72. It is my calendar and alarm clock, my address book, and it makes a swell notebook (you gotta learn how to write in graffiti though). I use the blootooth connection to back it up.
A pad of blank paper. I write things on it in ink from time to time. It's stuck on the side of the refrigerator with a magnet, which gets transferred to a new pad when necessary.
For a time, my wife experimented with a preprinted list on which we would circle things (and write in others), but it didn't work very well.
heh-- my list is usually scrawled on the back of an envelope (recycling, of course -- yeah, that's it).
Sometimes it actually makes it to the store with me.
re: sunshine842
I write the most beautiful shopping lists in the world and they're alwats there waiting for me when I return home from the store........
re: calmossimo
Oh yea, to me the list is a guide. I need these things on the list but other things will inevitably find their way into the cart. Often if I am undecided on a meal when I have to go shopping, I will make separate lists for each meal and decide when I get there.
re: Sal Vanilla
re: Sal Vanilla
I did the same. Now I have a toddler who grabs the list and brings it along..."mama need this"
re: cheesecake17
Can your toddler train mine to do this?? :o
re: truman
Haha :) she'd be glad to
I use the back of an old envelope. I used to print out basic lists on letter size paper, using the back of used paper or scrap brought home from the office but came to the conclusion that was an over-wrought solution to a couple of simple problems.
I try to organize the list according to the layout of the store were I do my shopping most of the time; there will be separate sections, maybe on the reverse, for special shopping such as TJs, WF, CM, Super H Mart, etc., that I go to less often or even for chain stores that I go to less often.
A list might last me a couple of weeks before I need to make a new one. It only takes a minute or two at most to copy to a new list what hasn't been taken care of on the old one.
The list is kept in an out of the way spot on the kitchen counter.
After a list has been 'used up' it can still be put in the paper recyclables.
re: brucesw
I do the same. I get a weekly circular that comes in a large-ish white envelope. Peruse the flyer, jot down the specials I can use, and add the list of things I'm running low on. There's enough room for different columns according to store. Coupons, groupons, etc. go inside the envelope, which I make sure to put into my purse before leaving the house. Simple and efficient.
re: greygarious
After I make a list of sale items from the weekly flyer, I put it in my wallet. If I need to add something, at least I know where it is! If I forgot it somehow, I'd probably drive home to get it before shopping, I'm sort of obsessed with my shopping list. Oh yes to answer the actual question, just hand written on whatever scrap paper is close by.
re: brucesw
I separate my list by store and keep it on my counter with a pen next to it. I keep adding items till i go shopping. Day of shopping, I rewrite the list of stores I'm going to according to aisle. Example- supermarket- produce, cereal, ingredients, cleaning, dairy- that's how the store is arranged.
re: cheesecake17
This seems to be one way I'm different from most. I have my list, but like to shop free form first; then consult to see what I missed. Because I do remember most of it, but without the list I'd forget the one or two most important things!
re: coll
This is usually my tactic. I always go with a list but then browse and before I check out make sure that even if I got extra stuff that the must haves on the list are in the cart. And, you're right, I have often left the store without remembering to consult my list and think that I have remembered everything and realize that somehow I forgot the ground beef to make tacos.
re: fldhkybnva
I hate that.
Usually means tacos get pushed off to last night, and I go freezer diving for tonight.
re: sunshine842
Thankfully we live close to a few grocery stores so I can swing by another on the way home if I remember, but if I'm home then the motivation to get in the car again is very low and can be quite frustrating especially if you were really looking forward to the meal. I think for me the weather and how much I wanted the meal determine whether I'll get in the car to go to the store 10 minutes away.
re: fldhkybnva
that's the biggest thing -- once I'm home, I'm loathe to run out again.
I tried Google Docs once and then it all went to hell when I could barely get a signal at the market. And using the Google Docs app drained my battery pretty much even before I left anyway. UGH.
Back to paper for me! No running list. Um, I guess I pretty much use that envelope method!
re: Violatp
Yea, I use Google Docs but as I posted below I write it out in a paper list when I go to the actual store as accessing the Docs from my phone while shopping is not only annoying but drains the battery and you are lost without a signal which is the case in the back of most of the grocery stores around here.
re: fldhkybnva
To make it even worse, it was actually the Thanksgiving list! I'd tried Google Docs because I was working with my sister on the meal, so we thought it would be cool to be essentially networked on the document. That part went very well - it was just the execution of the actual shopping list that suuuuucked.
At heart, I think I'm a luddite when it comes to some things, though. I like paper.
(she says as she types on an internet chat thread using her laptop - heh)
re: rasputina
Same here. I use the OurGroceries app, and love it. The app saves a list of everything I've ever purchased, with frequently purchased stuff at the top, and everything else is searchable. Just tap to add to the list. Items are sorted by section of the store, which is customizable. I can keep separate lists for different stores, and move an item from one list to the other if needed.
re: mpjmph
I need to find a new app, I hate the one I use. I just want to be able to make separate lists for each store and create custom items. No coupons, no 50 million brand name choices to choose from, no in app ads ect.
Right now I'm using Grocery IQ and I hate it. I've also used grocery zen.
re: rasputina
I use Pepperplate on the phone.
re: rasputina
I've been using OurGroceries for several years, and still really like it. It comes preloaded with a basic master list, and you can add anything you want. Just type it in once, and it's saved for future use unless you specifically delete it from the master list.
I know several people who use and like Remember the Milk.
re: rasputina
I recommend Shop Shop.
re: dmjordan
I also recommend ShopShop. I have it set up on Mrs Monkey's iPhone and our lists sync so we always know what we need.
re: mpjmph
I've been using OurGroceries for years. I love it. My phone is always handy to add things to. Almost everything is stuff I've bought previously, so they're easy to add. A "wish list" of a few items always stay on it so that I don't forget to look for those items if I might be in a store that could stock them. My only problem is if my phone battery dies!
re: tracylee
I upgraded my phone last week, and am happy to say that OurGroceries works great on both Droids and iPhones. Lists can easily be shared, and crossed off items stay available to uncross and add back in. And it's free.
re: rasputina
I use Grocery IQ. It keeps a running list of items and I either add it to the weekly purchase or uncheck it if I don't need it. Better yet, I fill it out on my laptop at home and DH can just pick up what I need on the way home by looking at his phone. I use an android phone. We love it. It works for other things too. I have it set up by store and each one is set up by isle. So I have our local supermarket, penzeys, fred meyer, bi-mart (they often have canned goods on sale), umajawaya, etc. each set up as it's own store in the same app. Love it.
re: rasputina
I'm so low brow, I just use the notepad on my iphone. I'll have to check out these apps.
re: Janet from Richmond
I think you must mean low tech.
re: Motosport
Yes, I bought vanilla extract twice. Ack.
I have a pad of paper magnetized to the fridge that I write on. The issue there is I don't have it with me if I have the random opportunity to stop at the store after work.
If/when I get a smartphone again, I will probably keep a running list on that so I have it where ever I am.
I have a pad of pre-printed lists. I like being able to scan the pre-printed items to remind me of things I might have forgotten to add at the time they ran out.
I know I could make something similar or photo-copy this one when I run out, but I like the heavy magnet for the fridge and the heavy paper. I use the back for the non-grocery store list.
And it makes me sing Air Supply with grocery lyrics...I'm all out of flour, can't make biscuits without it...
re: Sooeygun
OK, I'm not really liking Sooeygun for that damn earworm that has been planted.....
re: LindaWhit
Sorry....I won't tell you what my current earworm is. It's been stuck there for 2 days...
re: Sooeygun
That's what I use. It's a yearly stocking stuffer from my mom. This year she also got me the vacation/suitcase packing pad.
I keep a running list each week on Google Docs. If I am not near a computer or run out of something that I use frequently while cooking, then I write it on the white board on the refrigerator and add it to the google doc. When I go to the store, I write a paper list as I work better on paper and then don't have to continuously unlock the phone and what not. For quick trips for example if I forget something and remember while at the gym I will make a quick list on the many post it notes that are sprinkled in most of my bags and in the car.
Funny, I just finished making my list :)
First I make my meal plan (start working on it on Mondays for the following Saturday-Friday), and I try to base it on what's in the freezer or what I need to use up. So like tonight I'm making a mac n cheese with pepper jack, cause I know I have a big hunk of it to use up. On Wednesdays, I look at the store ads. I take a piece of paper from the scratch paper at work and on the left hand side, write down the items of interest from each store. If there's something especially good on sale, I might alter my meal plan based on that item. Then, after I go through the ads, on the right side of my paper, I have a section for each meal, and I go through the recipes and write down what is needed for each one. Off to the side I'll write stuff that's not part of a recipe, but is for my breakfast/snacks or something SO requests... stuff like his milk if he's out, creamer for coffee, granola bars, my Newtons cookies, english muffins etc. I also look through the electronic coupons attached to my store card to see if something that I'd like to buy is expiring soon. If it is, I'll add it to the list as well.
Then, at the end of the week (I shop Friday evening/Sat morning for the most part), I take the list of needed items and take another piece of paper, and create a list for each store I plan on going to. This week there's only one store so I write out the list in groups based on how I go through the store. I check off the items from my "needed" list when I put them on the new list. Then once that's done, I look back through my list of sale items and if there's anything else that looks good I'll add that. So like this week they have Hefty ziploc bags for 99 cents and ground turkey for 2.99 for a 19 oz package, and those are good prices, so even though I don't need them right now I'll buy them.
I really really really hate going to the store in the middle of the week after work so this approach prevents me from forgetting an important item.
I actually previously used this little notebook that had envelope style dividers on the inside cover, for coupons. But lately I haven't been using too many coupons so I sort of abandoned the use of it.
I buy a long, narrow, lined notepad with a magnet attached to the back, and that is stuck on the side of my refrigerator, which is right next to my food prep counter. I keep a pen in the drawer closest to the notepad. So as I am cooking and find an item that I'm about to use up, I reach into the drawer, grab the pen, and write it on the notepad. Immediately. Otherwise I'd never remember anything. Then on shopping day, I tear that sheet off and sit down at the table with my cooking plan for the week. I review every item in every recipe, check the cupboards/fridge/freezer to see if I have or need each item, and add to the list the specific items I need for that week. Then I ask DH if there's anything he wants/needs, and I'm off to the store. The only time this might fail me is when I run out of something used in the bathroom/bedroom, which is upstairs, and I forget to write it on the list when I get downstairs. But that doesn't happen very often.
Running list as I'm either nearing being out of something or when I run out of something.
Format is based on approximate aisle location in the store. Upper left gets produce, work my way down the left hand side with spices/herbs, canned goods, pasta. The upper right starts with toiletries, paper goods, baked goods and dairy. The middle is usually frozen foods and/or meats. Coupons get paperclipped to the back so I have them to use at the store.
This is the method my Mom used as long as I can remember, and I just picked it up from her, as we were told when we were young where to right something on the shopping list.
Sorta a hybrid of what others have said. There's stuff I need every week--greek yogurt, eggs, fresh veggies.
But then I wing it. I look around and see what the specials are in the meat dept, the deli, and so on. Or I see what looks good. Or both. Or I see what I can afford if it's a "lean" week.
Unless I have a special event (Thanksgiving, company, a planned menu), I play it by ear.
re: goodhealthgourmet
^ This.
re: goodhealthgourmet
I try so hard to do this, but it never works out. My phone isn't with me when I need to add something, I can't remember how to get to the notes app, or I leave it in the car. I guess I'm young, but low tech!
I've used the old envelope method before and it works! Now I keep a magnetic paper pad on the frig and write down what we have run out or almost are about to run out of.
The actual list that goes to the store with me is typically written on the store's flyer. That way I have the exact price that they're advertising with me to verify. This doesn't work obviously with farmer's markets or Costco. Then I'll take the list from the frig door.
I have some old notebooks. I run a list down the lines and then turn my menus for the week sideways. Milk is always at the top. Before I leave I survey if we need anything or I keep a list in the fridge as we run out and then add what I want to the current list. Have tried lot of methods but they don't really work for me.
I h'ave a little notepad, and I just grab it, look a around and write down what I need, that's it. No running list and I definitely don't use an app. It's the retrogrouch in me :)
I keep a running list, adding things to it as I think of them and deleting when I've bought them. I keep separate lists for various places I shop--grocery store, the farmers market, Trader Joe's, etc.
I use an iPhone app called ListMaster. It lets me add things directly on my iPhone, but it also has a web interface that lets both me and my husband add to the lists from our computers. It's one of my favorite apps (and I have 192 of them on my phone currently, so that's saying something!) It's very flexible, has a ton of bells and whistles, yet it's very intuitive and easy to use.
Add me to the magnetic pad on the fridge camp.
I don't need to write down the "standing items" - I automatically pick those up (milk, yogurt, salad greens etc). Like others I do record things as I plan meals or, run out though. I also have sticky tabs w store names deeper in the pad to record items for stores we don't visit as frequently - like Costco for example.
I do have standing lists for holiday grocery shopping though as we do tend to eat many of the same dishes at Christmas, Thanksgiving etc. Every year when I open my Word file and read the prior year's "notes to self" about items I might want to add or, check the pantry for or definitely not forget, I'm always relieved to have that record.
paper and ink is the only way to do it if you have more than one person contributing to the list. It's great to share the effort. We keep small pads of paper in our kitchen junk drawer for a weekly list. I don't like a running list because I tend to overbuy (4 pounds of carrots anyone?).
re: LindaWhit
yeaaaah....I get something stuck in my head and next thing I know I'm realizing I have 8 bags of rice in my cupboard because I just remembered I was out while I was at the grocery buying something else. Eight times. (WTH?)
re: sunshine842
That's a LOT of stir-fries, fried rice, rice pudding, chicken & rice soup. :-)
re: sunshine842
6 jars of capers here, and several containers of powdered wasabi. Hmmm.
re: LindaWhit
Carrot soup. Good for the eyes :)
re: cheesecake17
It's more the brain that needs help remembering *not* to buy another pound of carrots! LOL
re: LindaWhit
Once I had a similar amount of carrots, I just cooked them up, pureed them and put them in small containers in the freezer. Added one to every stew or soup I made until they were gone. Yeah guess I'm a cheapskate!
re: ellaf
Not necessarily... We use ListMaster, which lets both me and my husband add to the list from our computers (at work or at home) or iPhones. If I had to wait until I was home and in the kitchen to add to my list, I would be constantly thinking of things and then forgetting them again before I wrote them down!
Luddite in me, but I don't even own a cell phone anymore, smart one or dumb one. I carry a small spiral notebook in my purse all the time, so that's also my running list grocery list. I've remembered--in church of all places--that I needed flour and discreetly pulled out the notebook & scribbled it down. Don't need to remember to bring the list with me, 'cause it lives in my purse all the time.
I suppose I have a running list of sorts ("milk, eggs, bread...") that I store in my brain. It's kind of like a phone or other device, but predates those. :)
I also keep a yellow legal pad (paper) in the kitchen. If I need something "special" (something I buy rarely, or an ingredient for a new-to-me recipe) I'll jot it down with a pen. I find I don't need to physically carry that list with me. The act of writing seems to make an imprint on the brain and add it to the list.
Not a Luddite (have phones and a tablet) just hate carrying extra stuff.
re: pedalfaster
I have a brain-list, too! I keep a list-pad on the fridge with a magnetic pen - sometimes I remember to tear off the page and bring it with me. Sometimes I even look at it!
I do a lot of un-planned buying based on what looks good or is a good price. Then I figure out what I'll make with it when I get back home.
Just got a fancy phone, but probably won't use it for list-making.
i grew up with the old envelope method, which I continued - so convenient for carrying coupons as you say... but these days I have an app on my phone. I keep a running list, DH *always* needs yogurt, we almost always need eggs and broccoli. Since I always have my phone I can add items to it as needed, and I never lose it. :)
My husband is a writer, who creates on computer, but still likes to do the final pre-publisher edit on paper (which he then has to re-integrate back on the computer...don't aske me how but as he is on book 15, it works for him!)
Therefore he always has 'used' paper drafts, that I re-cycle by tearing in half and making my lists, both shopping and the weekly meal plan that I then post on the fridge.
I tried to transfer to my iPod, but just couldn't get the rhythm. Plus my husband was always fiddling with my iPod trying to see what was for dinner...very annoying: he doesn't need to know how much Michael Bolton I downloaded...
Scratch paper - the backs of my page a day calendar accumulate faster than I can use -- several pages in a magnetic clip on the side of the fridge. With 3 magnetic-backed pencils (sometimes becomes 2 or 1 when these get "borrowed") beside it, anyone in the house who notices we're low on / out of an item jots it one the list. Food on the top part, often in 2 columns. Paper products, pet supplies, toothpaste, etc. starting from the bottom edge and going up. When I look at weekly ads, I jot those items I plan to get w/ price notes / specific store.
When in the store, I cross off items as I put them in the cart. I'll still add a few items not on the list to the cart - those that are being sampled, or on sale, or great-looking produce. The on-sale exception is my downfall, which is why for several months last fall a running note was on all lists "NO MORE SUGAR, WE HAVE 12 POUNDS".
Because I'm retired, I try not to shop on weekends or evenings (shorten the line by 1 for folks who can only shop those times). I do try to combine errands, so the list may get grabbed to go with me, partially shopped at the grocery store I'm near-by for other reasons, and put up again several times over the span of a couple of weeks.
Lifehacker just published a tip to avoid wasteful (buying duplicates of what you already have) grocery spending: take a photo of your fridge. http://lifehacker.com/from-the-tips-box/
But I think our list system/s are a much better idea! :o)
re: pdxgastro
Oh I am the duplicate, triplicate, quadruplicate queen. It's like I have some fear that the world will end and so I need to buy another. It used to be that I couldn't remember if I ran out or not but now I make sure to check for particular common items to know if I need them or not but once at the store I often will grab them anyway. When they are on sale, of course I'll load up but even if not for some reason I need to have a spare.
re: fldhkybnva
my brain is more like a 45rpm record player. Every once in a while it just sticks on one particular item....item...item...item...
re: pdxgastro
Seriously? You're supposed to be able to see every item in your refrigerator from the front, without moving anything around? Maybe in their kitchen, but not mine!!
re: MsMaryMc
but of COURSE the mustard is behind the duck fat -- why wouldn't it be?
re: pdxgastro
That would never work for me. I have a mini-fridge. Stuff on lower shelves can be hidden for weeks because bending over and rootling around is such a pain
re: limoen
I've never understood those mini-fridges. Only time I ever had one was in college. Can you set it up on a counter so it's at eye level?
re: pine time
It came with the flat (rented furnished). There's not really space in the kitchen (as it is currently laid out) for a large one and I don't want to make the investment at this point. There are cupboards above the counter so I can't, unfortunately. It's not ideal but every flat with a full-sized fridge we looked at had lother disadvantages (namely electric stoves!). I do miss not having a freezer.
re: pine time
When my SIL was running a daycare business out of her home, she bought one of the larger, dorm-sized refrigerators just for gallon jugs of milk. Apparently, she went through a gallon a day. My snowbird father has one in his 'Arizona' room for soda, beer and wine.
I keep a running list in excel for Trader Joe's and Costco items – particularly when I see items mentioned on the Chains and Cheese boards that I want to try. It would have been so helpful to have had that list with me last night when I went to both TJ's and Costco –doh! I write my regular shopping list on old cereal boxes and the like. They hold up better in my bag than notebook paper.
I now use an iPhone app. But when I was a single working Mom in the pre-smart phone (heck pre-cell phone) days, I made up a single sheet "master" shopping list. It was put up on the fridg and if we ran out of something, it would get circled on the list. Then, I'd take it to go shopping over the weekend.
This meant that if the kids knew they had used the last of the mayo, they had to mark it on the list. Most of what you buy is the same from week to week anyway. Any unusual items, I could just write in on the side.
I usually just keep my list in my head, and it is often a total failure. For example, today I went to the store specifically for yeast. I figured that since I was going I'd get a few other items, the entire list being less than six things. Anyway, I come home, unload stuff, lounge around a while and then get ready to start cooking, and I have no f'ing yeast. I had to run back to the store.
If I have a long list or am making a specific recipe ill often jot down the things I need on a scrap of paper. That scrap of paper sometimes even makes it way to the store with me so I can consult it.
re: MonMauler
Your experience is why I always shop with a list and any last minute items are added to the list. The key to a good shopping list is actually referring to it at the store.
re: Just Visiting
I'm nuts, I approach grocery shopping like an Olympic competition, and I'm going for the gold!
re: Harters
Taking the kitchen wall to the supermarket isn't easy. :-P
re: LindaWhit
No. It's tricky. Had to make sure I bought a car with a big boot.
i try try try to be organized but that is just not how it works out.
i have several stores i go to (costco in Vancouver BC, trader joes across the border, any supermarket over the border, local supermarket, farm stand, specialty order like the olives from Ontario CA etc)
what i often do if it's one of the "specialty" stores (ie over the border or tj's) - i keep a portion of the label and clip it all together in a kitchen drawer.
that way - i know exactly the bar code / sku / color of pkg if i am sending a friend on an errand - or even if it's just me on a once a year trek.
as for a daily / local shopping list - i am kind of impulse and i do keep certain things in my overstocked pantry (come to my house when the big one hits - bring cash!)
one habit i have tried to ingrain in myself is labelling with a sharpie felt pen - the month and year of purchase - on the cans of diced tomato or pkg of spaghetti ---- like one is supposed to do for freezer items - it helps me realize how much i buy and how much i don't need to buy (til that big one ;)
i am also trying the new fun game of cooking with what i already have on hand - sites like this and all the helpful people here are a great resource.
there was a day where the act of physically writing something down was enough to commit it to memory -- even if I lost the list, I could remember what was on it.
The older I get, however, the more I'm beginning to think that stapling to my forehead wouldn't be enough...
re: sunshine842
Plus, it would be really hard to see what's on the list...unless you looked in a mirror. And were able to read backwards.
We'd mostly been using the paper list (sometimes envelopes, sometimes the magnetic list), then tried the white board (which was the way to remember those odd things we were out of -- that were later copied to paper).
But a couple months ago we started using an app called Avocado. It's designed specifically for couples to share information -- whether it's appointments, lists, etc. We joined during Beta so it was free, there may be a cost now.
It is very handy! We have a general Grocery list, a "Things" to buy list (stuff for non-grocery stores of any kind), and some specific lists for other stores (BJs, TJs, etc.). What I like is that you can "cross" things off the list, but they stay there, crossed off. So the next time I need to update the TJs list, I can "un-cross" the peanuts, trail mix, salsa, etc., that we always get at TJs. So it's not retyping things every time.
This way either of us can add to the list. It's also cute in that it gives you little pats on the back ("Getting things done" etc) when you cross something off the list.
We've had far fewer forgotten items since we started this.
re: John Francis
Glad to know little has changed since January. :-P
I use paper & ink, and then start a new one with anything I forgot, or couldn't find that day. When I left a job, I got all the pads with my name on them, so I use them Pink with Angels, and A Note from Nan in the middle. I had worked for a printer and we all had our own designs.
Tend to shop for a meal, not a big weekly shopper. I usually use an envelope or scrap of paper. Sometimes I just take a picture of the recipe with my phone. Even more rarely I use notes on my phone.
I might have missed it since it's such a long thread but..Cozi app for my iphone. I love it. set up multiple stores; enter from computer or phone; stores on the cloud; authorize multiple users. It also has many other family friendly features but I just use the shopping lists. Free or upgraded paid version.
Long ago I learned a technique to memorize lists of things and I still use it for groceries. I figure it keeps my mind sharp.
The key is to visualize the item doing an activity that links to the next item in the list. <Paper towels>, <milk>, <eggs> becomes the mental image of "slipping on broken eggs on the floor and spilling milk everywhere, then having to sop it all up with paper towels".
re: GraydonCarter
The key for YOU--and I'm glad for you that this works! Everybody's head is wired a little differently, and mine SO doesn't work this way!!
re: MsMaryMc
Often I forget to buy stuff that is on my list. Interestingly enough I remember birthdates, and dates of other things that happen in my life. My family has long since figured out not to challenge me on what happened when. (Well, maybe on what happened, but not when it happened.)


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At one time Jon Beason was a very good linebacker in this league. It's obvious he has struggled to regain the speed and explosiveness he once had. The achillies may be structurally stable, but the range of motion can be limited for a long time. Add possible muscle atrophy, and you could be looking at a trickle down effect, hence the current issues. Moving forward, this looks to be a great opportunity to give Luke Kuechly a shot to play his natural position at middle linebacker this weekend. At this point Rivera hasn't committed fully to making that move. After all, the Panthers can still turn the season around and i'm sure he's conflicted about whether or not Kuechly will be able to handle the responsibilities of an NFL middle backer.
The offensive line has been worse than expected as well. Save for rookie Amini Silatolu, this group has been together for a while and continuity seems to be an incomprehensible issue. 4th year pro Gary Williams is reported to be the backup for Geoff Hangartner, who has suffered a knee injury. Williams was out all last season with a broken ankle but did start 11 games for the 2-14 team in 2010.
The Chris Gamble situation is frustrating because his backup is likely Captain Munnerlyn, who we've seen plenty. Gamble has been so up and down during his tenure as a Panther and he will sit out with a shoulder injury. Silver lining: you won't see Munnerlyn back down from a tackle like Gamble did last week on Michael Turner's long touchdown.
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Cutting costs in the Kitchen
- Roarasaur Apr 5, 2011 08:10 PM
I tried doing a search but wasn't able to come up with anything, but anwyays, I was talking to a few roommates today and we were discussing about how I buy skin on, bone in chicken breast while they would buy skinless, boneless chicken breast. At the nearby supermarket, the skin on, bone in chicken breast sells for $7.39 /kg ($3.36/lb) and the skinless boneless chicken breasts sells for almost double at $13.45/kg ($6.11/lb). To me its just a few minutes of prep to the chicken to remove the bone and if I want to the skin. Plus, with this I get to collect the bones and use them for stock :D. I think part of it may also be that they dont like touching the "Icky" stuff but I feel so proud when I debone my own chicken. lol.
However, they would forego without spending more time in the kitchen and spend a little more for the convenience. My one roomate even said that the inedible bones take up some of the weight. While I dont have a scale, I'm sure that it doesnt take up much weight at all.
While I'm sure this principle of cutting costs can be applied to other meats as well, chicken I think is the easist example I can think of. As well as grating your own cheese (which I do as well).
What do the rest of your CH'ers do? Save some cash and prep your chicken or pay more for the convenience?
My ex used to insist that the weight of the bones negated the cost savings of bone-in chicken breasts. He did all the shopping and managed to cook the breasts so dry that they were inedible for me.
My boyfriend and I don't do a whole lot of chicken, but when we do, they're family packs of bone-in thighs for price and flavor. We freeze them in single-meal portions. The family packs tend to go on sale more often at our local grocery store.
ETA: Yes, we do buy larger blocks of cheese and grate our own. Oh, and to use fresher herbs and spices, we buy those loose and keep them in those tiny plastic lidded Gladware containers.
re: tracylee
For some reason I have an aversion to handling raw chicken . I buy a whole chicken and ask the butcher at the supermarket to cut it up for me into to 8 pieces. He never charges me extra. :)
Hi Roarasaur,
In my experience, there is about 50% 'waste' in bone-on and skin-on chicken breast. It takes two pounds to net one pound prepped. This I determined by using my scale.
So $3.36 per pound un-prepped is actually costing $6.72 per pound vs $6.11 per pound for already prepped.
I buy the un-prepped, remove the bone and leave the skin on. I prefer the way it cooks to skinned chicken. Unless I'm planning to grind the chicken. Then I decide based on the price of both types.
Using the bones for stock is worth something. You need to figure that out for yourself.
As for grating cheese, there's no waste there.
If you really want to save, buy a whole chicken.
Roast it, debone and reserve for stock, and you've got your choice of white breast meat, dark thighs, wings and legs.
Ah, but you say, what of the skins? I've got that covered as well ... http://chowhound.chow.com/topics/739272
re: ipsedixit
exactly what i was thinking.. its $1/lb max (for the ordinary stuff) in SoCal... so for a 3 lb bird you have 2 huge breasts for $3... plus the bonus of (the good stuff) dark meat.
re: ipsedixit
Buy the whole chicken and cut it up raw yourself. Deboning the breast is the hardest part and you already do that. After you've cut one up and you're familiar with where the joints are, it takes under 5 minutes per whole bird. Depending on your freezer space you can seriously stock up when the birds are on sale and cut chicken packs better in the freezer than whole. You can skin some breasts and satisfy your roommates need for speed. Then take all the necks and back bones and other "trash" parts, throw them in a pot with some celery, carrots and onion, simmer into a simple stock, and freeze that in various portion sizes. You and your roommates can have homemade soup in 45 minutes or less. You'll get the biggest bang for your buck between sale price, cutting and freezing, stock, and ipse's skin magic!
re: morwen
Deboning the breast is the hardest part and you already do that.
For those who find deboning raw chicken to be difficult, it might just be better to cook the whole chicken (either roasting it or just freaking boiling the sucker) and then debone. It's always easier to debone a cooked bird than a raw one because when your knife-skills fail, you can just resort to pulling the meat off the bone. Hard to do that with raw meat.
re: ipsedixit
Ipsedixit, my friend who owns a wings & pizza restaurant tells me that the wings are now the most expensive part of the chicken (when he says chicken he does it like a Vaudeville comedian, which cracks me up). Just a random factoid.
re: ipsedixit
Want to save even more money, buy leg quarters. They are by far the cheapest cut of chicken. Often around $0.69/lb
re: scubadoo97
But you get an awful lot of fat and skin with them because they have those huge flaps on them that they never trim off. I only use the big bags of leg quarters if I have to produce chicken for a huge group, otherwise there's way too much waste.
re: Kajikit
Recently they were on sale for $0.39/lb. Even with the waste they are still very cheap. I don't toss out much. That fatty skin flap is does not weigh that much to offset the savings. Now if you are counting bones and skin, well that's a bit more percentage wise. I don't let much go to waste so bones and skin go to a bag for stock making. I recently took the skin of thighs and scraped out most of the fat then rendered them further to make nearly fat free chicken skin crisps.
re: scubadoo97
I love the skin, roasted on 450 and all crisped up, yum. Not waste to me. Antibiotic and hormone free, for me. I do tear off the largest fat blobs, though.
I do the same thing with my chicken - I buy the bone-in breasts and trim them myself. Here, I can often get them on sale for $1 a pound, while boneless skinless are, at best (on sale), $2.
Plus, I have better control over the size of my portions - while the 7 or 8-ounce boneless frankenboobs may run $2 a pound, more reasonable, 5-6 ounce cutlets cost $3-4/lb., as do the tenders, both of which are included with my $1/lb. chicken.
Typically, rather than compare pound -for -pound (comparing boneless skinless breasts to some combination of cutlets, tenders and random trimmings, plus bones and skins for better stock), I look at the number of meals and cost per meal.
Even if cost-wise, it was a wash (which I don't believe it is, but I've never seriously done the math), the portion control and better quality (of the final chicken stock, if nothing else) is well worth the half hour it might take me to trim 10 pounds of chicken breasts.
As an aside, I also like to get a whole bone-in rib roast when it goes on sale the day after Thanksgiving for an obscenely cheap price and butcher my own Christmas rib roast, several steaks, have bones for beef stock, and scraps for grinding meat.
I buy in bulk wherever I can, and stock up when things are on special. That way I get the best of both worlds - boneless and skinless, and a lower price per unit :)
After spending forever chopping up whole chicken wings once for a party I realized that buying the already broken down parts is worth the extra cost!
Yes! And also to afford treats. I save money buying whole chickens and menu-planning around what is on sale, making vegetarian meals 2 to 3 times a week, cooking from scratch rather than boxed, processed foods . . . and this enables me to splurge on organic strawberries out-of-season, a beautiful pineapple in February, a lovely section of wild salmon, and other special, expensive-where-I-live food joys.
re: three of us
three of us, I like the way you think!
I've cut back considerably on the amount of meat I serve the family because I've been buying more expensive locally raised birds. They're humanely raised, and killed and supplemented diet is vegetarian with no additives. it's more expensive... I buy the whole birds frozen when the farmer has a 'freezer sale' s that's usually 20% off, which puts them at about the same price per pound as the conventionally raised boneless skinless chicken breasts that you find in the grocery store (but I personally don't think have much flavor, but I guess that's the point of chicken to some, a blank canvass)
I've invested in grass fed beef by the half cow from a local farmer that has the same high standards... we just eat less of it
You can afford to buy humanely raised animal products if you take a step back and re-think the way you plan your menus and meals. giving yourself vegetarian options with dried beans/legumes and brown rice bought in bulk freshened up with seasonal vegetables and pastas cuts back on the grocery bill, makes you healthier and gives you the ability to spend your money supporting smaller farms who care
re: cowboyardee
"you'll learn more by not taking so many shortcuts."
re: cowboyardee
better yet, you learn which short cuts are worth it (time and quality wise) and which are not. Jacques Pepin's 'fast food my way' are a good example of an experienced cook making good use of short cuts.
re: paulj
My original post was s reply to a post that is no longer here. The point stands though - you can't learn which short cuts are worth it unless you try it without short cuts. You don't get to be a very experienced cook (like Jacques) unless you push yourself and expand yourself in the first place.
I have to admit that I buy the chicken that is on sale on the day I shop. I buy whole chickens and roast them, or sometimes I pressure cook them for the stock, using the cooked chicken for chicken salad or such dishes. I also like thighs--bone in, and have bought family packs to portion and freeze. I also will buy large packs of boned and skinned chicken breasts. These are not my favorites, but I have finally come to the realization, that they provide a good source of lean protein, and I should learn to cook them properly. So I am.
I find that I don't buy much beef. I feel that it is expensive, and often doesn't taste right. I can't explain it any better.
I do like a good pork chop. I always wait until they are featured on sale, then buy a large pack to portion for the freezer.
I don't fry chicken. But if I did, I admit I wouldn't buy a whole chicken. I'd buy a cut up chicken on sale.
If you do some looking there are plenty of places that will sell you freshly killed whole chickens for far less than the supermarket charges, you have to dress them and pluck them but to me that is the best part of the experience.
I wish those you bought "cheap" chicken would reconsider what that means to the chicken. I am not a vegetarian and I do eat chicken, but I generally buy that which has been humanely raised and slaughtered. I understand people who cannot afford otherwise and do not have the skills to cook healthy meals buying cheap chickens, but if I posted a link or two for the rest of you, you might reconsider. Just something to think about.
re: escondido123
I raise my own chickens, layers and broilers, and I do my own processing. Doing the math, my eggs and meat cost more than typical store bought but less than "organic" and "free-range" store bought. It's a compromise price-wise but not humane-nutrition-organic-quality-taste-wise and unfortunately not an option for many people.
"Organic" and "free-range" are slippery words. A producer can abide by the rules and regulations set out by the government for those words and still not be treating those animals humanely. It's a letter of the law vs spirit of the law situation. Better to look for the independently "certified organic/humane" label if you want to travel that road. Those regulations are far stricter and more heavily enforced than the previous two. Unfortunately that means a person will have to pay even more for poultry and meat because the certification alone is a hugely expensive and intensive process as are the future inspections and maintenance of those certifications. I'm not saying that's a bad thing, it's not, just pointing out why certified humane/organic meat and poultry is vastly more expensive and that simply organic or free-range labeled meat and poultry may not be the same as humane and not exactly what a person thinks they are buying.
re: morwen
You're absolutely right. I guess I'm just encouraging people to think a little more about what they're buying. I find the flavor and quality of non-factory chicken to be better so I just don't buy as much and have meals heavy on vegs, like the Asian chicken thighs last night.
re: escondido123
I can't afford to buy humanely. I wish I could. Advising people to buy free range or freshly killed doesn't alter the fact that it is inconvenient to find what you recommend, and it costs substantially more. I prefer to buy better produce, including locally grown when I can get it. I would love to decrease my reliance on animal flesh, in general. But I eat low carb - high protein as a health choice.
re: sueatmo
Sue...why not fish which is high protein but not red meat? Or maybe you do include it...salmon, sardines, kippers? Great Omega 3's without the red meat issues (IF they are issue for you, not saying they are for everyone!)
re: Val
Yes! I am adding fish into the mix. I find that good fish is also expensive, of course. But now I am experimenting with fish for breakfast. And I do fix fish for our main meal. But I really like to feed myself fish, and I do like canned fish. I have discovered yellowfin tuna in a can at Whole Foods. It is definitely more expensive than regular canned tuna, but it is so good.
I've never eaten kippers. What brand is good, and how does one eat them?
I love sardines, but have trouble deciding which brand to settle on. I eat sardines on a cracker with mustard. Love them.
The main reason I am not buying as much beef is expense. But I've noticed that I'm not liking how beef tastes. We eat a lot of chicken, frankly.
re: sueatmo
you can't go wrong with fatty fish..salmon--sardines--kippers. Canned salmon, well--very cheap if you get the pink kind WITH skin and bones for extra nutrition...that has the highest omega 3's per serving...all canned salmon is wild-caught...Super Target sells frozen wild-caught USA salmon for $10.00 per pound just in case you are interested...KIPPERS: seek out either Crown Prince Natural or King Oscar kippers. They are lightly smoked...great with mustard of any kind and fabulous on any whole-grain crackers!
re: Val
I'll try kippers! If it goes with Gulden's mustard, I am sure I'll like them. I have eaten Demings canned red salmon for decades. It is a bit salty, but it is good. And yes, I'm not afraid to eat the bones. Crown Prince produces the canned yellowfin tuna and the tongol tuna I like.
I also like to treat myself to the frozen cooked shrimp I can scoop from the bin at the grocer. If Mr. Sueatmo is buying a treat for himself, then the shrimp is my treat. I've learned to make a very good low carb cocktail sauce, and those shrimp are an indulgence.
My fave whitefish is orange roughy. But because roughy has been over fished, and because I see it so seldom, (because is has been over fished) I don't eat it any more. I've been experimenting with Swai, which is farmed, and making do wiith tilapia. Sometimes I like swai, and sometimes I don't. If I could afford it, I'd buy halibut every week. (If I could find it) But because of its high cost, I couldn't even say how to fix it. The price scares me off. But if I can get it on our NW visits, I happily eat it. I guess halibut is really my fave white fish.
re: sueatmo
Great, sue! How about cod for a whitefish? So delicate and flakey...available pretty much everywhere *I think* and pretty decent price--I live in SWFL and halibut FORGET it as far as price, it's like $18.00 per pound and I agree, totally delish, but can't do it financially... I haven't checked cod on the sustainability status lately...need to do that...
re: Val
See if you can find Wild Planet sardines. They're the best I've had so far. I think that's the name... stores around here all carry them: http://www.amazon.com/Wild-Planet-Sar...
I've only had the olive oil ones, they were so firm and plump, so much nicer than standard supermarket ones. I want to try the lemon juice ones, next.
re: sueatmo
I rarely buy anything there but the frozen fish (worth the trip alone) and their red label, roasted unsalted almonds, the best tasting almond I've ever had, and the NZ grass fed beef if it's there. Oh, and Garrett County bacon.
At one of the major supermarkets in my neighborhood, the butchers will cut, debone and wrap whole chickens, for no charge. So, I wait until the organic birds are on sale for $4.99/lb, and then get a few for the freezer.
There's also the benefit that cooking chicken with the skin on often tastes better.
For economy, I'll buy a whole chicken from the traditional market. The price is good, the chicken is fantastic, and I know both that it's fresh and what colour it's feathers were.
If I want "hacked chicken" (a la Chinese menu translations) I'll get them to do it for me - it takes them a minute with a cleaver. If I want it cut into legs/breasts etc I can do it myself. And I get a lot more out of it than buying pieces, as I can chop it up into parts and save the feet, head and innards for stock. As an added bonus, I can usually get a handful of chicken livers for free when I buy it.
They also sell half chickens, boneless skin on breasts, wings, hind quarters, and your choice of gizzards, hearts, livers, and testicles, if you don't need a whole one.
To save money at the grocery store, a better tactic is to go for chicken legs and thighs - much cheaper, and a lot less dry when you cook it. I particularly like chicken legs (bone in, skin on) simply baked.
i try to cut costs anywhere i can...
some store brands are just as good..(u have to try and find the ones u like)
i cut coupons..scan for sales..buy some foods at sams in bulk..
i try and maximize my dollar ..
buy a whole melon and cut it myself..
buy the chicken and cut it down ..
altho i will sometimes buy a convenience food -like a bagged salad-- if im in hurry..
another way is other sundries
cleaning supplies i buy in bulk ...
like a gallon of ammonia is usually a 1-1.50 mix with some water u have glass cleaner..
i bought a big pack of spray bottles at sams..
most cleaning sprays can be bought in gallon sizes u just make what u need..
paper towels and the like ...
things like that...
We buy whole chickens. We have done a little calculation on our own, and by no means it's accurate. I remember that chicken was particularly fatty, maybe it was a lazy one. A more active chicken may have heavier bones, more meat, and less fat.
The 5lb organic chicken was $13.72.
The two breast came to about 1.4lb, at $5.99/lb for boneless skinless breast, it'll be around $8.30
Two wings came to about 0.42lb, at $3.19/lb, that's $1.37
Almost $10 right there, and we haven't counted the legs and thighs yet.
The whole legs weighed 1.3lb, so that's about 2lbs of bones + fat and yuckiness.
A carton (1qt, about 1L) of organic chicken stock is usually $3 when it's on sale, $4.xx otherwise.
I can make about 2 to 3L of chicken stock from 2 chicken carcasses, depending on the size.
The leftover meat from stock goes to my dog. I save money on dog treat. His treats are way more expensive than mine at the store!!
Deveined shrimps are usually like $10-$12/lb here. I managed to get some unpeeled shrimps some time ago for $5/lb. You do have to do the work to devein and peel them, but they suffer from less freezer burn, and cheaper too.
BTW, save up all your veggie scraps. You know those unwanted parsley stalks, old carrots, fronds of fennel... and make a bouillon out of it.
We ate a store-bought ciabbata in one meal ($3.99), and for the entree leftovers, I planned to go buy another one. Common sense clicked in, and I made my onion sun-dried tomato foccaccia, which fed us for 2 nights, for probably less than $1.50.
Consumer Reports this month has rated most dish detergents equal in cleaning effectiveness. From a cost standpoint Ajax liquid dish detergent and Costco's Kirkland liquid dish soap come in on top at 6 cents per oz. each. It is interesting that they all seem to do about the same job. Here is the Bottom line quote:
"All were very good, so buy by price. Skip antibacterial cleaners. The government says they don't clean an better, and they might lead to tougher bacteria."
re: sueatmo
I bought the Costco dishwasher gel and cursed my new Kitchenaid dishwasher for not getting anything clean, and leaving a heavy while film on all my glasses. So I went back to Cascade gel and my dishwasher is doing a great job again. Most Kirkland stuff is good, but that dishwasher gel is evil. I have a few containers left, and they'll be in our yard sale.
re: sueatmo
That's very different. Just don't ever use their dw gel. It was so nice to get Cascade and have clean, shiny everything again after one wash.
I am also of the "whole chicken camp"
I cook a whole chicken about every ten days, and I usually buy them for $.79-$.99 a lb. I'll either roast it or crockpot it and then break it down to eat the day of and then to make chicken salad, casseroles and/or adobo. I can generally eat 3 different dishes from one chicken (sometimes yielding 4-6 meals) which isn't bad for about $3 plus spices. I ALWAYS make stock from the bones and leftover skin, then make a huge batch of risotto with the stock which gets me another 3-4 meals.
I *always* shred my own cheese. Trader joes frequently has great cheddars, asiago and swisses for $4.99 or $5.99 a lb. $2.50 worth of those cheese is a LOT of shredded cheese. I use these cheeses to make various forms of baked mac n cheese which are awesome leftovers for less than three boxes of kraft.
I make veggie soup (again in the crock) from the REALLY cheap veggies at my corner market- usually, these wouldn't make it 24 hours without being slimy but they're perfect for soup if I cook them right away. Recently I got three large zucchinis for $1.50. Not a bad deal.
I also ask my local store if they have any "really ripe" bananas in the back which they usually do- I buy these at half-price and make baked goods with them which I bring to my friends while they're working waiting tables or tending bars...this almost always repays itself 10fold in food and drink buybacks ;)
I've also noticed that sometimes buying premade *is* costsaving. Periodically stores near me will have premade spaghetti sauce on sale for less than a dollar a jar. Sprucing these up is usually cheaper at that cost than making it from scratch, especially if its a resealable jar and you don't need that much.
I freeze bread that I think is about to become a science experiment and then thaw and toast it to make breadcrumbs when I need them (see baked mac n cheese above!)
I shop the dollar store for treats. Yeah, I said it. The dollar store. Most recent find- namebrand ChexMix "MuddyBuddy" mix which tastes EXACTLY like the homemade treat for $1 a bag (and not scheduled to expire till august ha) Yeah, I know it's not healthy or home-made, but I'm totally willing to splurge for $1. Especially when I cook virtually EVERYTHING else from scratch.
As far as chicken goes, if you look at the packaging of most boneless/skinless chicken, it says that they may contain up to 15% solution. This bulks up the breasts and makes them weigh more, then when you cook them you can see the solution cook out and the breasts shrink. Cooking beef, pork, chicken, etc with all of the skin/bones/fat intact allows the meat to be better lubricated while cooking, then you can cut the fat off.
If possible, buy directly from a farmer. A friend and I bought a side of beef directly from a farmer and we split it. The total cost was $600, which seems like a lot of money up front but considering we won't be buying beef again this year, the quality of the beef is higher than the beef in the supermarket, and if you take the total weight and compare it to total cost, we paid roughly $2 per pound.
I buy my vegetables fresh at a dutch market every week, the cost is lower than a supermarket, and the quality is much higher. I also buy cheese, eggs, and spices there too. I usually don't spend more than $30 per week there.
I save the cash and prep myself, partly because I'm cheap (but I do demand quality, which is why I don't buy any meat at a supermarket), and mostly because I enjoy being in the kitchen.
re: HeBrew
all great ideas! Thanks.
Considering price one option is better.
Depending on what I'm using the chicken for.
Personally I much prefer bone in skin on chicken.
Our kids all buy bl/sl breasts.
Not me though unless I'm making a rather large batch of Melinda Lee's poached breasts.
Which are then flash frozen for later meals when needed.