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How can NetApp respond to Tintri?
This topic was created by Chris Mellor 1 .
How can NetApp respond to Tintri?
With one customer running 800 VMs off one 3U Tintri box and another buying $300K of Tintri rather than $1.25 million of NetApp storage to run VMs what can NetApp do to stop a mass migration of VMs off its FAS arrays to Tintri VMstores?
Re: How can NetApp respond to Tintri?
Simple - NetApp buy Tintri.
Isn't that the way most large corporates innovate these days?
Buy Tintri, I'm sure the VC's will sell up.
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Looking in to the devices further, they dedupe and inline compress blocks written to flash. When storing large number of VMs that are similar this will have huge storage savings, it also should have a huge read performance benefit as a common small subset can be cached in memory. It appears to write all data to flash first then later moves less used blocks to the spinning disks.
What can NetAPP do? They can stop f*ing their clients with overpriced kit that's poorly configured to do the job. Copying Tinrti's device is one option, but will they be able to compete adding $.29 to each dollar the product costs (based upon 2011 earnings on revenue). They can buy the Tintri and jack the price up, but the pricing cat is out of the bag and clients will put pressure on Netapp to reduce or renegotiate prices. It boils down to how much of Netapps market is servicing VM's. If it's sizable you might want to reevaluate that stock portfolio.
Improve the breed - competition will make things better for everyone. If there are too many MBAs running the ship, though, this may prove to be impossible...they will even find a way to botch the acquisition of Tintri,.
what are those 800 VMs doing ?
I looked at the I/O profile of my little VM environment (~150 VMs) which hosts a production and pre production e-commerce site(LAMP), and for the production side average IOPS is 5 IOPS/VM for the VMFS file stores (databases use RDM). Non production side which is a 3rd of the VMs in the cluster at this point in time average is 2.2 IOPS/VM (both numbers average over 30 days). In my experience this is fairly typical per VM I/O(going back across about a dozen clusters running web site infrastructure services over the years). Bulk unstructured data would be housed on a dedicated NAS cluster of sorts(and accessed via in-guest NFS), and structured data goes to RDMs(with I/O measured separately - not included in above numbers). As a result per-VM I/O remains low - basically log files and stuff, with more I/O intensive things on RDMs to leverage storage-based snapshot technology (primarily - also makes it easier to manage space and monitor I/O).
So with those numbers 800 VMs is not hard to accomplish on small storage. Though we chose bigger/better storage primarily for the availability and maturity of the platform. The array itself has been shipping longer than Tintri has been in existence. If we were a bigger company and had more side projects to test stuff out on it would be interesting to see Tintri and others in practice.
I suppose if we built things to run EVERYTHING inside vmware data stores tintri may be advantageous there but I really don't see myself ever doing that, any more than I would see myself building physical servers that ran everything off internal disk drives. For one thing the vmware-based snapshots really are quite limited(and slow!) - I take a vmware snapshot on average maybe once a month. I also like maintaining compatibility with physical infrastructure - knowing I can spin up a physical server, swing an RDM over onto it and keep going. Or share a NAS mount point between a VM and a physical box. I'm not in the camp(and never have been) that believes everything must be a VM.
Production VMFS workload is 96% write, non production workload is 87% write for these particular VMs.
800 VMs - no big deal
It all depends on how good your virtualization solution is. If you are using one of the bloated, lumbering behemoths of vurtialization tech that rob you of 40% of your bare metal performance (VMware, Xen and KVM are all in the same boat here), then maybe you need a big expensive box.
Meanwhile, the sensible and efficient solution like Linux Vserver with it's hashify feature means you can have 800 similar VMs running on a single _HOST_ in practically the same amout of storage as a single VM would take up (wonders of copy-on-write hard-links) with memory deduplication implicitly thrown in for free. Try that on one of the big three mentioned above and watch your performance fall off a cliff (after the 40% drop cliff you fell off before you even started).
Re: 800 VMs - no big deal
Except that the bloated lumbering behemoths actually let you run Windows along with countless other OSs which Linux Vserver does not, which is essential for a lot of enterprises, mine included.
I'll take the performance hit (which is not 40% in my experience) on the chin thanks.
So who is the client, Siemens, Alstrom or similar? (this is wild guess). Pint, as well, it's Friday.
Re: 800 VMs - no big deal
> I'll take the performance hit (which is not 40% in my experience) on the chin thanks.
That is your choice - and in some cases it is acceptable (or even doesn't matter, e.g. prototyping). But for large scale service provision, 40% increase on your hardware capital expenditure isn't going to be trivial. And the fact that you have to run 7 servers for every 5 servers of capacity might also add up to administration overhead that wipes out the savings you gain from flexibility.
I suspect you haven't tested your setup to saturation point (I presume you tested it reasonably scientifically, otherwise by "experience" you must mean "opinion"). At full saturation load (e.g. pallel compiling, MySQL, and similar tasks where you hammer the machine with about 2x the number of hardware CPU threads your host has) vmware/xen/kvm overhead robs you of about 40% (well, OK, 35-55% depending on the exact task) of what you'd get out of bare metal - and that is without memory deduplication and with only running one VM on a host. More VMs means more task switching, worse cache hit rates and more random disk I/O pattern, so if you do that the performance hit will be considerably greater.
But don't take my word for it - run your own tests with your own applications to establish the impact on the peak sustained throughput.
Your numbers are pure fiction and your understanding of what people want to achieve with virtualisation is deeply flawed.
Re: err...
> "Your numbers are pure fiction and your understanding of what people want to achieve with virtualisation is deeply flawed."
I ran my benchmarks to reach those numbers. Have you? Or have you just swallowed the virtualization vendor's merketing rhetoric wholesale as gospel?
Virtualization has it's place - I am not disputing that. The problem is that most entities (corporate or otherwise) are using it for purposes it is woefully ill suited for - and then complain that their system is slow and realize that their architecture doesn't scale horizontally as well as they had hoped, either.
Re: err...
Actually, I've done extensive work on VMware at a major UK financial, where I was responsible for eking out every last drop of performance from a system (with particular focus on IO) and making the decision on V or P.
40% of system resources is clearly rubbish and basically meaningless even if it were true because of the different impact of running a hypervisor on different elements of the system.
Re: err...
I'll believe it when I see the details of what benchmarking you did and how you did it (and will point out the flaws in it). I gave a basic outline of the sort of workloads that demonstrate a 40% deterioration, and it holds similarly across the board, regardless of whether you are CPU, memory or I/O bound (the deterioration is slightly worse if you are I/O bound).
Then again, I accept the theoretical possibility that your workload may be weird and by magic or weird coincidence suffers a smaller penalty. But for large scale parallel compiling and very highly tuned MySQL workloads (by this I mean things like very carefully designed indexes and enough memory that all indexes are in RAM), the performance drop is about 40%.
And since we are throwing round opaque $company references, my MySQL tests and tuning showing the 40% drop were done on the systems of a major UK recruitment/HR company.
eggs in one basket
800 machines dependant on a single piece of hardware, sounds great for business continuity even if there is failover!
Re: eggs in one basket
It depends upon that piece of hardware, if it were a vMAX array with proper redundant FC interconnects, I'd be happy (assuming cross-site replication, in case of total disaster.) Were it a random NAS box with NFS shares and RAID 5+1, not so happy.
Extract NetApp SW from price comparisons
A point emailed to me:
Yeah but that Tintri price vs. NetApp price doesn't include all the NetApp Software stack - you should remove it and then price it.
Don't get me wrong - NetApp needs a mixed aggregate - they think a mixed aggregate is their Flash (PAM card) and the disks - but a truly Hybrid Array like Tintri is no comparison to a Array like a FAS because 50-60% of the cost is the Software & support.
Like to see the apples to apples vs. the apples to watermelons.
No Rocket Science Present
So the article breaks no new ground, discusses a product that breaks no news ground and solves a problem that we've been solving for a while.
So what we've established here are the following:
1. 800 VM's is nothing to write home about. I've configured dozens of environments for customers with this number (and more) of VM's
2. NFS, Fibre-Channel or iSCSI. It doesn't matter. They are just interconnects. I prefer iSCSI because of simplicity and total cost of operation (TCO).
3. Tintri offers nothing new. It's just a hybrid box. There are multiple products on the market. Anyone seen the Equallogic XVS product or the Nimble CS series? Performance comes from the SSD and the capacity from the SATA. In the case of Equalloigc, it can be expanded out based on capacity or performance by adding additional arrays - very slick.
4. The big boys overcharging? Was this NetApps or EMC (Celerra - NFS)? Nothing new here either.
So what did I miss?
Pricing query
Sent to me by mail:
I think there might be an error in the cost in the article regarding Tintri. If they are using 12 rack units or 12u than it should be $75k per device. Which would make more sense since I believe the retail is $90k. Thank you for sharing the article,
Box performs well
Sent to me, and posted anonymously just in case ...
Since each Tintri 540 is 3U high and they have 12U of them then that works out to $75K each not $25K each.
That would fit in nicely with the $80K we paid for our single Tintri 540.
We are running 130 VMs on it so far and have not even come close to stressing it out. It shows 50% available IOPS capacity still.
Wrong Aspect
NetApp does this on top of just stuffing virtual machines with storage:
- replicating data around on their gear, small to medium to large boxes and vice-versa > consolidation, intercontinental data protection - multiple topologies, old to new boxes and vv
- doing hundreds of snapshots on all data > uncomparable RPO, massive testing and development environments setup quick means excellent time to market, top sla's
- doing metrocluster transparent site failover in case of hardware component error > uptime increased
- having integration software for snapshots/clones for many major business apps > ease of use
- having some thousand engineers worldwide to provide worldwide 24/7 support for all class of business
- virtualizing other vendor storage to integrate it into new netapp feature ecosystem > investment protection
- delivering block and file storage from one system with the complete feature set below it (snaps, dedup, compression, worm)in all system families >> true unified storage, nobody else has it
btw, who were this tintri-guys?
Dear Wrong Aspect,
Nice. You delineate the enterprise-class software features that mark NetApp out as a very strong company. I don't know if that will be enough to stem the incoming tide of cheaper VDI systems.
Estimated cost of storage per VM Instance:-
Tintri - $23
Dell EquaLogic -PS6010V - $338
HP P4000 with flash - P4900 - $233
I think NetApp will be up there in the $200 - $350 class, if not higher. That's a large cost disadvantage.
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Gould you post a screen shot of Disk Management?
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What is the reasoning behind this, I don't see how this would provide any insight into the problem. I would normally just do this no questions asked, but as of right now my gateway laptop is completely bare. I haven't even reinstalled the gateway drivers because my I need to go through the trouble of connecting it to a ethernet cable since there are no drivers installed for my wireless network.
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Did you know that most Austrian ski regions celebrate their winter and ski opening with famously big parties? Find out what is happening, where and when on your ski holiday in Austria.Top ski opening dates
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The White House plans to release a major report Tuesday outlining how human-driven climate change is already affecting the environment in the United States and warning of more warming to come, possibly signaling a more aggressive response to the issue from the Obama administration.
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Pooley, a senior vice president at the New York-based group, said President Obama has been following through on a Climate Action Plan he unveiled last June. The plan aims to set new rules on carbon emissions for new and existing power plants and address methane emissions from the gas industry.
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UPDATE, March 15, 2014: The mystery surrounding Malaysia Airlines Flight 370 took a sinister turn Saturday, when Malaysia's Prime Minister Najib Razak confirmed that the plane had been deliberately flown off course. Authorities have now opened a criminal investigation into the plane's disappearance, with security personnel reportedly focusing new attention on the plane's pilot and co-pilot. The prime minister's announcement stems from new satellite information that suggests the jet flew for at least seven hours after veering off course, likely on a flight path that runs from northern Thailand towards Kazakhstan. Another possible flight path runs from Jakarta along the southern Indian Ocean. While Razak said that all possibilities are still being explored, CBS News quoted an unnamed Malaysian official who said that "it is conclusive" that the plane was hijacked.
If the plane was hijacked, it may have been part of a larger plot choreographed by an al Qaeda affiliate in Malaysia. The Telegraph reported Saturday that a British al Qaeda informant claimed to have been complicit in an alleged terrorist plot planned by "four to five" Malaysian jihadists. The informant made the comments while testifying in New York last week during the trial of Sulaiman Abu Ghaith, Osama bin Laden's son-in-law. He said that one of the Malaysian men was a pilot and that the group planned to hijack a plane in Kuala Lumpur and use it in a terrorist act. Badat's testimony came before the disappearance of MH370.
Original Post: It's a general rule of thumb (Occam's razor, to be exact) that, when evaluating theories, the one with the fewest assumptions is most often correct. Wild and outlandish theories are almost always wrong -- except when they're not.
But it's hard to make sense of the disappearance of Malaysia Airlines Flight 370 -- there doesn't seem to be a simple explanation. There's the absence of wreckage, despite an unprecedentedly large international search effort. There's the fact that the plane's transponder went silent and the plane effectively disappeared along a stretch of its flight path where radar coverage is spotty. But then there's also evidence that the plane may have continued flying for hours after it went silent: It may have been picked up on radar an hour later over the Strait of Malacca, and may have continued flying for another three hours after that according to satellite signals that may have originated from the plane's engines.
A classified assessment by the U.S. and Malaysian governments that leaked to CNN on Friday evening suggests that the plane likely crashed outside the current search area, east of India in the Bay of Bengal, or west of Indonesia in the Indian Ocean. It may also have fluctuated in altitude after disappearing, climbing above its maximum approved altitude of 43,100 feet before plummeting to 23,000 feet, according to the New York Times.
But until the plane is found and more is known about what happened to Flight 370, more complicated (and less likely) theories will continue to circulate, ranging from plausible-but-unlikely to downright out-of-this-world. Here are a few of the latest:
The plane landed somewhere west of Malaysia
The search for MH 370 has frequently been framed as a search for wreckage (like the debris spotted in Chinese satellite imagery in the South China Sea, which has since been ruled out). But what if there is no wreckage? What if the plane is intact? Investigators are considering that the flight may have been deliberately directed off course in order to land discretely somewhere "with the intention of using it later for another purpose."
It seems a touch far-fetched, but the plane's disappearance -- at just the right moment to go undetected -- has suggested to some that it may have been intentional. Jeff Wise at Slate suggests that the pilots could have waited until they reached an area where radar coverage is spotty, turned off their transponders, and then adjusted course -- possibly making a sharp turn west and dropping in altitude to fly under the radar.
The plane could have been flown to an airstrip somewhere off the beaten path -- but where? Depending on how loaded down the plane is, a Boeing 777 requires between 3,800 and 5,200 feet of runway to land. The plane's apparent trajectory in the Strait of Malacca has investigators looking at the Andaman and Nicobar Islands, but there are only four airports in the Indian island chain, two of which are operated by the Indian military. But that's not to say the plane might not have set down at a long airstrip somewhere else. (Myanmar has two dozen airports that do not use major carriers, there are another half-dozen listed in Sumatra, not to mention any unlisted airstrips. This map of former U.S. airfields in Vietnam, many of which have since been abandoned, gives a sense of just how many unlisted airstrips there may be in the region.)
There's still the matter of what to do with the 239 people and the Boeing 777, but there's an obvious motive: money. The Strait of Malacca is a major transit point for trade passing between the Indian and Pacific Oceans -- and as a result, it has been an attractive region for pirates. If pirates got control of the plane, they may try to ransom the passengers or resell the plane for tens of millions of dollars.
Someone deliberately flew the plane to the Middle
After Malaysia's air force chief announced Wednesday that military radar had plotted the plane hundreds of miles west of its planned route, the possibility of foul play reared its head again. Further fueling speculation that Flight 370 may have been hijacked, Reuters reported Friday that the plane's westward path followed a flight corridor commonly used by commercial flights en route to the Middle East and Europe. Citing unnamed sources, the report stated that, according to its last position as plotted by military radar, the jet was heading towards the Andaman Islands, putting it on a flight path known as P628, which carriers use to get from Southeast Asia to Europe.
James Kallstrom, a former assistant director of the FBI, speculated that the plane might have been hijacked by terrorists for use as a weapon later. "You draw that arc and you look at countries like Pakistan ... and you see the plane landing somewhere and (people) repurposing it for some dastardly deed down the road," he told CNN's Jake Tapper on Thursday. "I mean, that could happen." But then again, it's not easy to hide a 777, and investigators have said it is doubtful the plane would have the fuel to make it past India, or that it could have made it that far without being detected by radar.
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The news that Malaysia's military had failed to notify the public of radar signals believed to have come from the missing flight ignited rumors among Chinese citizens that the military had mistakenly identified the plane as a threat and shot it down. The rumors implied, of course, a cover-up. Malaysian Ambassador to China Iskandar Sarudin refuted the rumors on Thursday, saying that, while the plane was indeed detected on radar, it was never deemed a threat.
Such an incident wouldn't be unprecedented, however. In 1988, a U.S. Navy ship, the USS Vincennes, misidentified a commercial Airbus A300 en route to Dubai as a fighter jet and, during a skirmish with Iranian ships in the Persian Gulf, fired two missiles at the airliner, killing 290 people on board. A few years earlier, a Korean Airlines flight strayed into Soviet airspace en route to Beijing and was shot down by Soviet fighter jets. Later, Soviet pilot Col. Gennadi Osipovitch told CNN that he "wondered if it was a civilian aircraft ... but I had no time to think."
or both, of the pilots committed suicide
This theory, like the preceding one, has a historical precedent. In 1997, SilkAir Flight 185 took off from Indonesia with 97 passengers. Less than an hour into the flight, the plane dove into the Musi River in Sumatra, killing everyone on board. The U.S. National Transportation Safety Board concluded that the plane's captain flew the aircraft into the river.
Naturally, parallels are being drawn between SilkAir Flight 185 and and Malaysia Air Flight 370. On Friday, the Associated Press quoted a member of the Australian and International Pilots Association, Mike Glynn, as saying that pilot suicide is the likeliest possibility in this case. "A pilot rather than a hijacker is more likely to be able to switch off the communications equipment,'' he told the AP, suggesting that the pilot(s) disabled the plane's equipment before flying the plane into the ocean.
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I'm a consumer. Every holiday season, I'm firmly reminded of this fact when tasked with giving gifts, eating large meals and traveling across the country.
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SAO PAULO (AP) - Brazilian leaders in Sao Paulo say they are reversing a 10-cent hike in bus and subway fares that has sparked widespread protests across the nation.
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Obama and Hagel gut the military, then put on a pretended display of might. Is this why no one respects Obama?
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One hundred and fifty! It take more soldiers that that to get the taxpayer´s helicopter ready that Obama flies.
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By "military exercises" Obama means holding training sessions in recruiting homosexuals, setting up facilities to deal with pregnant 20 year old soldierettes, finding places for the Mohammedan officers to pray etc. The real danger is that once the Poles figure this out they will attack….
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PANAMA CITY, FL-- A Blountstown documentary filmaker is hoping compelling images of Florida's natural beauty will convince voters to support conservation efforts.
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The Southern Four Wheel Drive Association Board of Directors continues its hard work to refocus our association and our efforts for 2015. As most of you are aware, the association is implementing sweeping changes to the membership structure. Additionally we introduced the SFWDA Grant program to allow each of our member clubs to directly address the needs of your local area and communities with this tool. The key to our grant program is that we embrace our core missions of Conservation, Recreation and Education.Read More
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