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|Mon, 09-17-2012 - 10:00am
Well for those that know me and my story....as everyone elses..my road to recovery has not been easy. I cannot go no contact and to be honest even withouth having to have interaction due to Extraciricular activites we still have been in contact. However this weekend involved a hotel with the whole 20 families and it was hard. Hard for my H as he felt we were making eye contact, hard to act normal in front of everyone so no one would speculate anything. I wanted to cry at so many times. Cry because when he was socializing with our circle of friends I stayed away...then he would do the same. I thought why did i do this. This time last year we would all be together, joking, laughing, my H included. Heck my H would have been hanging out with him. Now this year its totally different.
For the first time I was strong. I stayed distant. I didnt try to find a way to interact, to meet up in the hallway accidentally. I avoided eye contact and I was proud. Me and my H didnt do as well and I know it was hard for him. I dont know how he doesnt explode but he obviously has more self control then what my and my AP had right!!! I dreaded this weekend so long and boy when we were driving home yesterday was I ever happy to get home and back to my little safe haven!!!
So I just wanted to post and say that I hope I am gaining strength and becoming stronger and can get him out of my life so that I can work on my own life.
Have a great day everyone!
|Mon, 09-17-2012 - 11:05pm
Posting tends to do that...make us more accountable...for sure.
Waiting to become 'ready' to end an affair is like waiting to become financially 'ready' to have children, no? yes? We'll never be ready, so we just go ahead and do it.
It is true, sometimes people reach that ready point where it seems easier to walk. Not many in all the times I've been on the Board. And they still go through a grieving process. And, imo, the risk is too high. I've seen it too many times...pushing...pushing that envelope towards a Discovery Day (for you that would make two)...waiting for ready. The pain of ending cannot be avoided...only put off. And it will be compounded once everyone else's pain is in the mix. I don't know why the font got huge here...maybe the ghost in the machine thinking it needs emphasis...lol.
Everyone here is testament to the fact that they survived the pain. And many people here struggle daily with wanting to break NC, but they don't. They do whatever it takes to not make contact and the first rule is to come here BEFORE breaking NC so we can talk you off the ledge.
It is doable, Lilyflower...and every one here is doing it. You can do it and get through it...I know you can.
|Mon, 09-17-2012 - 10:17pm
I do have some very strong days now and so that's progress...but damn its still so very hard. Its hard to be trying to get over an A and all the while trying to pretend to the outside world and also trying to get your marriage back!!! Well I think I just babbled a lot and I'm not sure if I've answered your question!!!
I am going to start posting here and being more accountable. I need that.
|Mon, 09-17-2012 - 5:30pm
How is it that you're having a hard time going no contact? What is it that keeps tripping you up? Is he contacting you and catching you at weak moments where you respond? (I was nothing but weak moments for a very long time when I first ended. It wouldn't have been hard at all for xap to catch me at one if there had been an opening.) Or are you initiating the contact? (I understand that impulse too. I still feel it now and again.) Maybe this is something the board could help you brainstorm solutions around.
Here's my thinking on breaking NC. NC can be hard at the beginning and the more we've trained ourselves on a diet of emails, texts and phone calls, the more we have to get over when we go NC. When we keep breaking NC, we keep hanging out where it's always hard and we come to think we can never do it. (Okay. Truth: this is my reality with diets.) This is the beauty, in my opinion, of the Tweener, Supertweener and Vet stages. If you can make it to three months of no contact, you'll have done a lot of work to get over the aching need of contacting someone. In another three months, you'll have developed more coping skills. At the one year mark, you're even further along and will have made it through all the holidays, birthdays, anniversaries, annual gatherings, etc. that come in the course of the year, each with its own set of triggers.
So, let us help you stop hanging out where no contact feels impossible. I would so love for you to hang out where it just keeps getting easier.
|Mon, 09-17-2012 - 2:26pm
Keep looking up to us.
I guess we all reach our 'this is making feel down and I refuse to feel that way anymore' point. It worries me, though, because, I mean, what would your husband do if he learned you were both in contact still? The question to yourself, is 'why is this one man worth jeopardizing all I hold dear?"
You aren't really gaining anything by remaining in contact, are you? All his words do is to serve to fuel the fantasy. You are only setting up the potential to lose what is really important, right?
Please don't push the envelope, Lilyflower...because although a Discovery Day has to be some people's bottom, it seems more to me, from what I've seen, is that a Discovery Day leaves most looking up at their bottom.
|Mon, 09-17-2012 - 1:48pm
I should have said I have been having a hard time going no contact. I have been terrible at it really BUT I am getting better at it!!! I havent posted this although I should that I was doing very well and then he contacted me via phone last week which did set me back....as he said about how it has to be this way as there are so many people that would get hurt etc, implying that he wants to be with me but there is no option. I responded that my children are the most important thing in my life. I didnt give in to any comments he made at all but still after the fact it made me feel down !!!! I so look up to the people on this board who have made it and I know I will too!!! I just need to have patience!!!
|Mon, 09-17-2012 - 1:12pm
Congratulations for your new choices. What spoke volumes to me was the fact that you chose not to engage in any covert way with xap. That shows a great deal of respect for all involve.
|Mon, 09-17-2012 - 11:04am
That WAS big! And it DOES show that you have been gaining strength and wisdom.
But I have to ask...what do you mean that you have still been in contact...even without the extracurricular activities? I am a little confused. You say you cannot go no contact but at the end of your post you state ".....and get him out of my life..."
Not trying to put you in the hotseat, Lilyflower...just trying to be clear.


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UK gov's smart meter dream unplugged: A 'colossal waste of cash'
On 23 June, the village of Alfriston in the South Downs hosted Get Wired, an event celebrating old-fashioned wired analogue power meters – or, more accurately, opposing their replacement by new wireless "smart" meters. Organiser Stop Smart Meters UK is worried about radiation, privacy, safety, higher bills and people losing …
The Americans certainly haven't welcomed them and I was told by a meter reader that they have a habit of picking up every spike, especially those from older appliances which generate a voltage spike when turned on which leads to much higher bills.
I was 'surveyed' for one of these meters the other day and I'll be doing what I can to resist having it installed.
People who read meters are rarely qualified in electrical engineering and power distribution systems and measurement of power, I seriously doubt that the person reading the meter is a credible source for information about "voltage spikes" causing higher bills.
Well refusing to be surveyed might have been a good place to start ;-)
I think the effect you are talking about is called Power Factor.
CFC light bulbs, switching power supplies (as used in computers) and induction hobs are causes of this.
But it just means that the smart meter measuring circuit will need to be very well designed. Just merely having a clamp on the meter tails isn't good enough.
Money. It's a Gas.
In Blighty the companies that make smart meters have already exchanged promises and contracts with politicians. It's not about energy, it's about political favors. Same in the USA. Then they justify it by telling you what they think you want to hear.
Here in the USA they need permission to come onto your property, so they come to your door and say "I need to install a new electrical meter for you". My cross-examining:
Me: "Why the new meter"?
Him: "It's new"
Me: "What's new about it?"
Him: "I'm not sure"
Me: "Is it a smart meter?"
Him: "I don't know"
Me: "If you don't know, then I don't trust you and I don't want it"
Him: (stammers, mixture of confused and angry)
Following investigation, the American and Austrailan deployments showed that the issue with customers receiving higher bills was more to do with the inaccuracy of the meters being replaced than anything else. Some of the Austrailian meters had been installed for over 50 years without any kind of accuracy test at any point.
This will be less of an issue in the UK due to the regulatory-imposed recertification process, wherein all meters are required to show an accuracy of within 2% either side.
Thats ignorant F.U.D.
Dumb electronic meters have a port in the back and and IR port in the front for automated reading. It makes no difference whether you have a "smart" adapter behind it or not as to the meter's fundamental ability to meter.
I worked for a "smart meter" company and designed two different adapters which fit behind conventional meters. One used a cellphone relay, the other used ethernet for FIOS systems.
Utility companies, Public Service Commissions, and free range lawyers are very sensitive to the accuracy of electric power meters. For this very reason when I worked for a "smart meter" company we declined the opportunity to design our own meter. We connected to "dumb" electronic meters via diagnostic port provided on the back by their manufacturers.
We had smart meters installed a year ago; as far as I know there wasn't a choice. So far my bills have been the same, maybe slightly lower. The main difference was not having to shovel a path to the meter during the winter, which was kind of nice actually. I'm sorry but I just can't really get worked up about the whole thing.
Re: Money. It's a Gas.
"Here in the USA they need permission to come onto your property,"
Fortuantely, in the UK too!
Re: Money. It's a Gas.
I doubt that any special permission is required. When you enter into the contract to receive power from the local supplier (you do know that you signed a contract, right?) a clause in the contract gives the power company or their designee permission to enter your property to read the meter or conduct upgrades and repairs at any time. The power meter is property of the electric company even as the rest of the installation is property of the building owner. I was lucky I noticed the contractor coming around to install my smart-meter so I was able to have her give me a couple of minutes to shut down the computer before they cut power to make the swap. They were only running 5 weeks behind the schedule that was posted to everybody in my area.
I haven't noticed any difference in my bill at all. It's the same as it's been for the time I have been in this house. I am a bit disappointed that we don't get an IHD. I have to switch things on and go out to the meter to see how much power they drawn. I really wanted an IHD with a USB jack. It would be quite interesting to combine the readings from my weather station with my power use.
Re: Money. It's a Gas.
I doubt that any special permission is required. When you enter into the contract to receive power from the local supplier (you do know that you signed a contract, right?) a clause in the contract gives the power company or their designee permission to enter your property to read the meter or conduct upgrades and repairs at any time.
First of all, USA law states that they must knock on the door and notify you if they are going to interrupt your electrical power. This is in case there is an infant in the house, someone elderly, or someone on life support; any of these individuals may be dependent upon electrical power. Replacing a meter interrupts electrical power.
Second, they most definitely do not have the right to enter your property...at any time. I do not have to let them into my house, and they do not have the right to demand entry, as you wrote, "at any time", say, at 2 AM. I forget the exact legal phrase but it's called "free and unencumbered use" or something like that (you do READ contracts, don't you?)
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@Bill AFAIK you're correct, but you've missed the next step in the exchange. They then ask a court to grant them access under the Electricity Act 1989 (and various others). Magistrate signs off and they turn up with a warrant. At which point you're looking at ~£1000 fine if you still refuse.
So, yeah, they have to ask your permission, but if you say No then they ask someone to over-rule you. They therefore don't need your permission.
Having written all that I've re-read your post and seen "USA law states" - but as my response is applicable to the UK I'll post it anyway!
and that has been tested when?
My meter has been in for 30 years and as far as I know no one more technical than a meter reader has seen it.
"As far as I know"
In the UK the safety regulations mandate that the meter is renewed every 10 years.
It's probably in your interest as well. Old gas meters for example have a terrible habit of over-measuring.
"Organiser Stop Smart Meters UK is worried about radiation, privacy, safety, higher bills and people losing control over their homes."
First on the list "RADIATION" WOOO!!!! The bogeyman! Are these the same people as the "Stop WiFi" people from the Panorama program?
I hope they are talking about the radiation interfering with other appliances and not with it affecting people. If it is otherwise it is just scaremongering and they should be given no credence because of it.
Do these people stay indoors when the radiation of the sun is out?
Do you want to live in Fukushima?
I'm not sure you know what the word radiation means.
Do you think that the makers of smart meters are filling them up with radioactive caesium? Or is it possible that you don't know what radiation is, much like my original point. Sounds frightening, we all know that radiation is what nuclear bombs and blowing up powerstations make, therefore that's all there is to know about it.
Wooooo! Bogeyman!
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From Dictionary.com:
a. the emission or transfer of radiant energy as particles, electromagnetic waves, sound, etc
b. the particles, etc, emitted, esp the particles and gamma rays emitted in nuclear decay
I think that covers just about all of it ...
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Do you want to live in Devon or Cornwall, where radiation levels are also high (over a lifetime, you'll get about the same dosage.?
A little light reading...
Little more technical that yahoo groups I'm afriad though...
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Ok, so you've got a definition. That doesn't mean you know anything about the subject and you're proving that you don't with the posts you've made.
The main difference you'll be needing to understand is between ionising and non-ionising radiation.
See that great big orange blob in the sky? That's the world's major source of raydeeayshun.
Do these people stay indoors when the radiation of the sun is out?
If they have any sense, yes. If not then suitable precautions need to be taken.
You should see the people that fix the roads around here. They dress like someone cleaning up Fukushima despite 30+ shade temperatures.
@ undefinedNaN
Leaving aside your ignorance about the difference between ionising and electromagnetic radiation, which has already been pointed out to you, I'll answer the other part of your question.
If I were likely to live in Japan (which I'm not, and have absolutely no plans ever to do), and supposing that Fukushima was on the right island for whatever I planned to do, and then assuming that the Japanese authorities were allowing domestic habitation of the area, then I would have absolutely no fears of living there. In fact, I'd live there today if need be, just as I'd happily live in Pripyat.
The system is designed to be secure end to end, with data encryption and no identification of customers in what is sent.
No identification of what has been sent but, we can and will bill you on it. That does not sound like no identification to me!
Personally, I think all this money should be spent on developing better ways to generate energy and in a cleaner way. And no I do not think wind and solar can do what we want. Instead it is all wasted on helping the energy companies make more money and will make little difference to most peoples usage.
If someone wants a cup of tea, the kettle needs to be boiled. They are not going to wait until a time predefined by the energy companies when the cost is less just to do that, or watch their favourite TV program, cook their dinner, do work on their computer and the list goes on and on.
I think what they mean is the data doesn't contain any direct customer identification info (name, address etc). It'll have a unique identifier that can be matched with a customer record at the other end. Someone intercepting the info would also need to have the data table matching identifiers to properties and people.
The eventual plan (you can decide whether you believe it or not) is that you'll have appliances that talk to the smart meter and can (if you want, and have signed up for the right tarrif) wait until the spot price is low (as a proxy for demand being low) before they switch themselves on. Obviously there is a set of demand that can't be time-shifted in this way.
The other cost saving in the business case is the removal of the current requirement to have a meter read from a visit at least once a year.
What they very likely mean is no identifying information being transmitted alongside the usage - just a customer ID of some sort that they can match to your account with actual identification in their database at home. At least, that is how such services traditionally work (like with personal medical device monitoring).
And yeah - radiation, really? Do they have a problem with the cellphone in their house, or wifi, or bluetooth, or cordless phone, or... *sigh*
There are good reasons to oppose this, but 'radiation' certainly is not one of them. Security of the data may be, but that's entirely dependent upon the architecture of the implementation.
Read Lewis Page's article on energy costs
Npower's recent report throoughly debunks the oh so convienient myth of power company price gouging and excessive profits. Lewis Page breaks it down in another article today. Smart meters whist pointless are only a small element of the massive costs our elected representatives are heaping on us.
"Instead it is all wasted on helping the energy companies make more money and will make little difference to most peoples usage."
No it isn't helping us make more money. My employers are not making any money at all on the back of this. It is mandated by your good friends in the EU, and the clowns of Westminster and Whitehall have (as with all other matters) not had the spine nor sense to say "get stuffed" to Brussels. The power companies will be fined draconian amounts if we don't do as we're told.
The real cost savings are marginal, about £6 per meter per year, with an annual cash cost of about £25 per meter given that it is a £265 piece of kit, guessing it'll last an average of ten years before refurb or replacement. Even those cost savings have an offset (nationally) because if we don't have full employment, then there's welfare costs from anything that puts people out of work, and they assume that the capital is free. If you assign a value to the capital of say 5%, then your amortisation and interest take the meter cost to £40 a year, to save that £6 a year operating cost. Spending £40 to save £6 is only sensible if you're a bureaucrat spending other people's money. And better still, the £14bn cost of this government mandated scheme don't appear on the government's books - a tax that is hidden, wahey!
All the other "savings" are wishful thinking by DECC, in a "business case" that includes all manner of spurious and unlikely savings - for example, smart meters will make electricity theft less likely, reduced network losses (yeah!), over half a billion quid of savings from "reduced network investment through introduction of time of use tarrifs", reduced consumption because you have the option of a meter display on the wall, a billion quid of savings from "global CO2 reduction" and so it goes on. The business case probably comes from the same Booker fiction prize winning authors of the HS2 business case. It's worth searching for the highly critical NAO report on DECC's smart metering programme, and looking at the made up numbers (page 27 of the full report).
This is a colossal waste of money, deamt up by the eco loons of the EU. The money spent could useful be spent resolving the looming capacity gap, or even replacing all the coal stations that will run post 2015. And in fact, we could throw out this Chicken Little "climate change" claptrap, and stick with what we've got, rather than spend tens of billions that as a national we don't have, in a manner that will cause the remainder of British manufacturing to relocate elsewhere.
Re: Read Lewis Page's article on energy costs @PlacidCasual
Thanks, I did read Lewis' article earlier and agree with it. But the cost of rolling out the smart metres affects every household. They may be small to you but they are unnecessary and the cost of rolling them out to millions of homes is not small and can be better spent elsewhere.
That is what I was trying to get at in my post.
Do they have a problem with the cellphone in their house, or wifi, or bluetooth, or cordless phone, or... *sigh*
Actually 'they' do. It's also very annoying when you really want use this technology, but are unable to because you spent too many nights sleeping in the same room as the wireless router, and are now paying the consequences. If you stop and think about it, you'll realise that while we can tolerate certain forms of radiation (eg. sunlight - and even that we have to be careful with!), we also have to be extremely careful about other forms (X-rays, Gamma, etc). As far as I'm aware we're not exposed to radiation at current wi-fi, DECT frequencies in nature, so it's not beyond the realms of possibility that we may find there's a problem somewhere along the line. I pretty much used to think like everyone else on this forum: that there's no chance of it physically affecting people, but it can.
Re: @Ragarath @Ledswinger
Yes it is helping you make money and you even said in your post it is. You do not have to read metres and the cost of the metres will not be borne by the energy companies, it will be borne by the bill payers.
So if the cost of the metres will be paid for by the bill payer, yes over time maybe but still by the bill payer thus making it cost the energy company nothing.
Yet the metre readers are no longer needed. Without going deep into it, that is a cost saving right there.
The money spent could useful be spent resolving the looming capacity gap, or even replacing all the coal stations that will run post 2015. And in fact, we could throw out this Chicken Little "climate change" claptrap, and stick with what we've got, rather than spend tens of billions that as a national we don't have, in a manner that will cause the remainder of British manufacturing to relocate elsewhere.
I totally agree with you we are on the same page, except it seems about the energy companies saving money (no matter how small you think it is / will be.)
Re: @Ragarath
Reply to myself for not realising I have been using the wrong meter *sigh* sorry pedants.
Re: @Ragarath
Oh. I just thought the meter on your house was readable from the street.
Re: @Ragarath
"It'll have a unique identifier that can be matched with a customer record at the other end. Someone intercepting the info would also need to have the data table matching identifiers to properties and people."
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"Yes it is helping you make money and you even said in your post it is. You do not have to read metres and the cost of the metres will not be borne by the energy companies, it will be borne by the bill payers."
The cost savings are presumed by DECC to be passed through to customers. And the evidence is that they always have been - at the supply business level, your energy suppliers barely cover their cost of capital (and in many years haven't). If you look across the whole energy supply chain, then things only improve marginally - take SSE, who are present across almost all of the electricity value chain of generation, trading, distribution & supply: Return on assets, 2.06 miserable percent. I can do better than that with a high street savings account (with some shopping around).
Ultimately the cost of ANYTHING has to be paid for by customers (or taxpayers) and that's why it matters that there isn't a genuine business case. If it made the energy companies more profitable, but was neutral for customers that wouldn't matter because the higher margins would attracts more investment into the industry, the profits would bolster your pension, makes your insurance cheaper (up front premiums are invested), help life savings rates.
Profit isn't a bad thing. What's a bad thing is that there's too little of it in this country.
Re: @Ragarath
@IHateWearingATie the smart meter and can ... wait until the spot price is low
The hell with spot. I want a smart meter that can do futures and swaps!
Re: @Ragarath Smart meter discussion good, then sudden turn into...
Your post was very good up until midway through the last paragraph, then someone appears to have grabbed the steering wheel of your argument and given it a sharp twist.
However, the first part was really good, so you're still getting a +1. :-)
Re: @Ragarath Smart meter discussion good, then sudden turn into...
"Your post was very good up until midway through the last paragraph"
That could apply to several of us...but let me leap in and take a bow anyway!
Re: @Ragarath part 2
Companies make no profits, you say? Well, let's use this handy magic wand here....
Zap! Customers pay double what they usually pay ( finding the money from somewhere)
Hurrah! The company is suddenly making lots and lots of profit!
But, what is this? Oh noes! The people running the company have just voted each other huge pay increases, bigger expenses and have pissed away the rest on conferences in posh hotels in Monaco!
Now the company makes no profit again!
What a terrible and utterly unforseen outcome.
"Personally, I think all this money should be spent on developing better ways to generate energy and in a cleaner way. And no I do not think wind and solar can do what we want. "
You'd be right.
But you didn't bung the relevant peer the necessary wonga to get an amendment in the relevant legislation (climate change bill IIRC).
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If I had that much wonga I may have tried, regrettably I don't and would rather feed my family.
"a £265 piece of kit"
How exactly does a smart meter cost £265? The BoM can't be much more that £30 or £40, can it? Any design costs are amortised over 10's of millions of units, so should be fairly negligible pr unit.
I know it has to be built to last for 20+ years in outdoor locations, but given the volumes being produced, what is the real cost per unit?
Re: "a £265 piece of kit"
Its an industrial grade product and has to last 10 years. It is not a consumer-grade item, therefore you won't get a consumer-grade price. Besides, the government has "mandated" them, and that means that the company that makes them will suck as much blood out of that government mandate as they can possibly get away with. It's a bit like anything "military spec" - build it for market price, then move the decimal point to the right.
Re: "a £265 piece of kit"
"How exactly does a smart meter cost £265? "
Total programme costs divided by number of installations.
I would guess that at least half the total costs arise because of the inefficient install programme that is inevitable.
Lets do maths
Each meter costs £265. There are 53 million households according to the article which need to be fitted. so the total is £265 x 53,000,000 = £14 Billion.
How much electricity is this going to save?
I was starting to think you were talking sense, and then you went and did the energy supplier thing of calling climate change "claptrap", thus proving you're full of shit.
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Measure D came about through the local ballot initiative process, with signatures collected on petitions, as an initiated city ordinance. It proposes to change the San Francisco Planning Code to create a Mid-Market Arts Revitalization and Tourism Special Sign District on Market Street between 5th Street and 7th Street to "allow new general advertising signs that reflect the arts and entertainment character of the district; to develop a uniform program for the installation of signs in the Special Sign District that satisfy specified conditions for general advertising signs; and, to authorize and expend monies obtained by revenue sharing from sign receipts on non-profit or City-sponsored arts education programs targeted to youth in the Tenderloin and South of Market neighborhoods."
A number of business owners in the Mid-Market area are avid supporters of Measure D. They argue that the passage of Measure D is an important first step in the revitalization [1]
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- Carolyn Diamond, President of the Market Street Association.
- San Francisco Board President David Chiu and Supervisors Campos, Dufty, Maxwell, Elsbernd and Alioto-Pier.[2]
"SF Beautiful" opposes Measure D.[1]
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- "Digital billboards, measuring up to 500 square feet, would appear on building facades and rooftops. At one location alone, a massive rooftop sign could be erected 200 feet above street level."
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NEW Exo Greek Mediterranean Bistro Whitestone - thumbs down
- chefjellynow Aug 6, 2010 06:15 PM
Well the wifey and I tried the new nabe greek spot for some apps and dessert. OK its new, they just opened and I understand how that goes firsthand. But the food was just OK, Service was OK, and the mistakes and prices were HUGE.
We ordered 2 apps and dessert, but saw alot of entree's
- bottle panna water $6
- fresh pitas and spreads app $12
-grilled meat meze app $15
-ekmek (dessert) $7
ok the fresh pita and spreads were small portion( about 1-1.5oz ea) and 5 spreads. they were all salty as heck. they gave us 3 charred grilled handmade pitas that were 2 inches by 4 inches..small and gone fast... we ordered more and they charged us additional $2 for 3 more pieces
the grilled meat meze was just awful, way to salty and missing kebabs( which i didnt realize till we got home and looked at the t/o menu we took) about 4 ounces of meat total with a big pot of greek cheese fondue. the 3 thin slices of sausage was flavorful but the sweetbreads were tough(??) lol and the lamb skewers were ok but salty as heck, wifey couldnt finish hers.
the dessert was a hodgepodge of who knows what... missing the main ingredient, and other ingredients were sub'd for others( supposed to get candied figs, got canned peaches ect..)
and to make matters worse, 2 different waiters came over asking what was wrong and then had no clue what the fruit was or why there was no ice cream or what this and that was... u get the picture. and to top that off one waiter went to the hostess after the hostess already knew we were having problems and she rolled her eyes at me...ugghhh..ummm im in the business
so... as i firstly stated, they are new and they have some MAJOR kinks to work out... maybe in a few months if they start getting it right we will give it a second go, but for now i wouldnt advise
2 apps, 1 bottle water, 1 dessert + nominal tip = $58
hopefully ours was a isolated incident hehe
15-16 149th St, Queens, NY 11357
Does anyone have any updates since the summer? I have wanted to try this place, but have held back because of the prices. Their menu looks very appealing, but few things burn me more than paying a lot for a bad meal. I've seen very mixed reviews on some other sites and am hoping some CH's can set the record straight.
re: Jaleamia
I am sorry: didn't like it. I feel it's not worth the money at all, not even close. We didn't like the food either. IMHO, their food is too salty, the execution is too primitive, and the kitchen staff (should I say, the chef?) is not skilled in heat-handling... but well, this is so subjective: other people might have a different opinion.
re: Jaleamia
As of Feb 2011, EXO not good. If you like old school greek (if you think Stamatis is great) you will definitely not like this. But must say, excellent service, beautiful place settings and comfortable atmosphere. Service was truly excellent.
29-09 23rd Ave, Queens, NY 11105
re: whitestone
Restaurant.com has coupons, entering "SAVE" at checkout will get you $50 off min of $100 for $4. Not a bad deal if the food situation improves.
Does anyone know if this place is related to the EXO that just opened on Austin St. in the old Mardi Gras space? I'm assuming it is - same name, same cuisine- but curious for confirmation. I hope it's good, we need better places around here!
Mardi Gras
70-20 Austin St, Queens, NY 11375
Just wondering if anyone has been to Exo lately and how it was? We are meeting friends there this weekend and it was their choice.
15-16 149th St, Queens, NY 11357


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QUAPAW, Okla. (AP) - Oklahoma Gov. Mary Fallin toured damage in the northeastern Oklahoma community of Quapaw on Monday, a day after a tornado killed one person and damaged fewer than 60 structures.
Sixty-eight-year-old John L. Brown, of Baxter Springs, Kan., was killed when he was traveling through Quapaw and he pulled over into a parking lot. A large concrete wall fell on his car. Six people were transported to hospitals.
Fewer than 60 structures suffered damage in Quapaw. Fifteen homes were totally destroyed.
Oklahoma escaped relatively unscathed - especially since no tornado warnings have been issued beforehand.
But Quapaw Chairman John Berrey said about 200 people took shelter in Quapaw even though no tornado warning had been issued.
Fallin issued a disaster declaration for Ottawa County on Monday to expedite the recovery process.
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Towns in flood zones paying the priceBy WILSON RING
The Associated Press | March 24,2014MONTPELIER Much of downtown Montpelier is perched along the banks of the North Branch of the Winooski River, a waterway that has poured into buildings, forcing many homeowners to purchase flood insurance.
Now 242 Montpelier residents who receive subsidized federal flood insurance are among about 2,400 in Vermont and 1.1 million nationwide likely to see their federally subsidized flood insurance premiums rise, according to a review of federal data by The Associated Press.
President Barack Obama signed a law Friday putting the brakes on a 2012 overhaul that aimed to shore up the National Flood Insurance Program by requiring policyholders to begin paying risk-based rates, but the measure merely delays the premium increases.
Homeowners could pay up to 18 percent more annually until switching to a risk-based rate while business owners and those who own vacation homes will see their rates rise no less than 25 percent each year until their premiums reach rates matching what building elevation surveys indicate is the true risk of flooding.
Montpelier has been a magnet for floodwaters for years. In 1992, an ice jam on the Winooski River backed water up into buildings along the river. There have been numerous smaller floods over the years.
Montpelier building owner Steve Everett said the flood insurance on one of his State Street buildings went up from $2,600 to about $4,400. Hes managed to offset much of the increase with energy efficiencies and other savings.
Its a pain in the neck, Everett said. Its not killing me, but Im not making as much as Id like to. Im sending it to the federal government.
Since the city joined the program, Montpelier property owners have been paid $3.1 million for 252 claims. Property owners paid $572,000 in premiums last year.
Between 1978 and 2010, Vermont property owners received about $8 million in flood insurance claim payments. In 2011, after spring flooding on Lake Champlain, inland flooding in May and Tropical Storm Irene in August, the state received $62.9 million, said Rob Evans, the state flood plain manager in the Agency of Natural Resources Watershed Management Division.
In Barre, where the 188 claims of flooding from the overflowing Jail and Stevens branches of the Winooski are the second most in the state, about 219 property owners face flood insurance increases.
The community that has received the most flood insurance payments is Waterbury, which was devastated when the Winooski overflowed during Irene and flooded much of the community. There have been $4.4 million paid on 62 claims in Waterbury, 51 of those in the aftermath of Tropical Storm Irene.
None of the Waterbury claims were paid to the state for damage to the state office complex, now being rebuilt with the help of private flood insurance that is no longer available to the state, said Evans.MORE IN Vermont NewsHYDE PARK A lawyer for a sheriffs deputy who saw a domestic abuse investigation against him... Full StoryMONTPELIER The Vermont Board of Education is seeking public comment as members draft a... Full StoryPolice: Snowball Full Story
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