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He's been hotfixed so he heals too much for 1 tank strategy to be viable.
We have tried and tried to kill the guy and can't seem to be doing it. We are running with the following:
2 tanks, 3 healers, and 5 dps.
What should the dps be at for this fight for each person? Someone in our group said it should be around 3.5k and higher. Or is there really a cut off point for dps?
Also do we really need 3 healers, or would another dps actually be more beneficial? I have noticed that a lot of people are saying they ran with only 2 healers so they could have the extra dps, would it help if one of the healers we have dps until they are needed to heal?
We were doing this on 10 man last night. Our setup was:
2 tanks, 3 healers, 3 ranged dps, and 2 melee dps.
We had no knockback effects and kept running into situations where we'd have 4 people with the fallen champion debuff up and heals couldn't keep up. I was playing as a Disc priest and noticed that healing was super easy until we got to the third fallen champion debuff, so I suggested we switch me to dps.
I came on my mutilate rogue, and brought an extra 5200 dps to the party. We downed him the first time. That extra 5200 dps meant that Deathbringer Saurfang only put up 2 debuffs the whole fight, instead of wiping us at 4 debuffs. One of our 2 healers died to a debuff at about 20%, and the 2nd healer solo healed the rest of the fight.
The moral of the story is that for this fight, more dps and less healing is better.
We completed this last night with: 2 tanks, 6 DPS (3 melee/3 ranged), and 2 healers. One of our healers died at 30%ish left in the encounter.
The average DPS put out was 5k, and I was pushing 7k on my rogue.
We had a few hiccups through the first few attempts. Shamans putting earthbind totems too close (getting the melee destroyed by a rooted blood beast), tanks (or melee) tossing an ill timed AoE effect, people "tanking" the bloodbeasts instead of kiting them. All in all, it is pretty easy to mess the fight up, but once you get it, I think it is an easy fight all around.
We finally downed him last night.
Our makeup:
Tanks: 2 pallies
DPS: Mage, Mage, Enh Shaman, Ele Shaman, Warlock, Ret Paladin
Heals: Druid, Holy Priest
Our strategy changed to this:
Since we didn't have a holy paladin with RF, we stuck both healers at range along with mages for a total of 4 ranged. The warlock and elemental shaman were clustered ontop of the melee to avoid blood novas and to give more room to kite.
We blew bloodlust at the beginning to get a head start on the fight. Both mages were running slow+arcane builds and were in charge of kiting the adds as best they could.
First few times we wiped, it was due to the kiters not kiting properly. About 3 tries in, they started to get it down and we got him to 45% with no mark but ended up wiping anyways due to one of the kiters getting eaten by a beast.
Next attempt, we got him to 28% with no mark cast. He ended up marking one of the mages who promptly died - we switched the elemental shaman out to DPS the adds and the ret paladin helped with some stuns.
Got him down but it was hectic at the end. It'd be much easier if we had a holy paladin/disc priest healing combo + a hunter for freezing trap on one of the adds.
One way to simplify 10 man version is to have ranged DPS only kite and kill one of the two adds while melee stun locks and kills the other. This will generally increase overall DPS time since both adds will die much faster than they would otherwise. The general problem with kiting is that while you are running, you aren't DPSing fully. So even if you're an 7k dps caster, you're not able to do that if you have to stop casting and run. If the mob dies before it ever gets to you, you don't have to run. Split your DPS and burn down both adds significantly faster and you get more time on the boss.
Tanks can help with the stuns on the melee target by setting up appropriate macros like (where "Joedpsassist" is the melee DPS you want to stun the target of):
/cast [@Joedpsassist-target,harm] [harm] Hammer of Justice
/cast [@Joedpsassist-target,harm] [harm] Concussion Blow
Alright, my turn to contribute, yay!
My guild has been unable to down saurfang on 25 man. We have downed him successfully in all of our 10 man groups, and for that reason, I believe our problem lies with the add control. Our strategy is to use 2 hunters laying frost traps and MDing to our boomkin or ele shaman (for their knockback). We also have 2-3 rogues ToTing on the boomkin/shaman. I (a mage) usually switch to my frost spec for this encounter to facilitate kiting when adds are off of frost traps, plus, my pet frost nova is spectacular. All ranged burn the adds, then switch to boss.
This strategy always works very well until around 15%. At this time, saurfang is in his light enrage, and for some reason, the adds get out of control. Is there something wrong with our strategy? Or is the problem more likely that our ranged are for some reason losing focus and not doing their jobs?
Okay, after some more research, I have decided to convince the rest of our officers to try your guild's strategy. One main question some of them have raised is how can you guarantee that the adds being killed by the melee are stunlocked throughout the duration of them being alive? I still think your strategy will work, I just have to convince the rest of the guild of that within the next twenty minutes.
Our raid composition is generally 5 healers(paladin, shaman, priest, 2 druids), 2 tanks(druid, paladin), 10 melee dps(3 rogues, 2 warriors, druid, paladin, 3 DKs) and 8 ranged(2 mages, 2 hunters, boomkin, 2 warlocks, shaman).
We downed him tonight after about 5 tries. Big difference with having 2 tanks as opposed to one.
First time we did it we got 500K health further than we had before, before I (hunter) was taken out by the first mark. Swapped our priests (one was healing one was shadowdpsing, they swapped roles) and got him to ~30%, killed one tank when he hit Frenzy and we qiped shortly after that.
Did that again, wiped from the second mark going up just after Frenzy.
Fourth time, got him to 21% before mark wiped us again.
Fifth time we downed him, just before the third mark went off (120k-0 in about a third of a second o.O). Got the achievement :D
Never hit Misdirection once the entire fight. Oops.
Pally and DK tank, DK DPS, Mage, Warlock, Shadow Priest, Hunter (me), Boomkin, Holy Priest, Shaman Healer
Hit heroism just before the Frenzy.
Have your hunters kiting out to the both the extreme left and extreme right. Though generally their DPS isn't as effective as the rest of the ranged they do make good kiters, especially since they have distracting short and if they lost agro could regain it.
On the add that spawns behind the tanks, have both the Moonkin and Elemental shaman pick that up, if either gets it, either has a knock back and the mob will generally be killed before it gets to them anyway. Since you don't have a lot of extra shaman running around, your second elemental will probably be in the melee with Earthbind totem to slow the adds right from the start before they get out to the frost trap or out to the druid and shaman that would need to knock them back.
At ranged you would have 2 hunters, 4 of your 5 healers, the moonkin and 1 elemental shaman, and the other two ranged DPS with the highest threat generation whether they be warlocks or mages.
Your priest healer should be discipline for this fight. They basically spend their time keeping bubbles on everyone not in melee (since they are the targets on Blood Nova), anyone with Boiling Blood debuff, or anyone with the Mark of the Fallen Champion debuff. The discipline priest would stand in melee. Bubbling does generate threat, though significantly less in general than a holy priest would with actual healing.
By the braziers healing I'd have the restoration shaman bouncing chain heals off the tanks to heal the melee and one of the two restoration druids. Standing out between one of the hunter spots and one of the ranged spots I'd have the other restoration druid and holy paladin and the holy paladin should be healing with righteous fury. If you are allowing the first one or two people marked to die, the pally healer should be using Beason on the first person marked you want to keep alive.
*edit* Sent you a private message with some more details along with a picture of the actual positioning. Hope that helps.
Does Blood Nova generate Blood Power ONLY if it splashes onto someone else?
What's the consensus for 10 man.. let the marked people die?
I have downed him now twice in 25man:
First time we had 2 tanks, 6 healers (2 for tanks, 1 for raid and 3 for marks), warlock to stun adds when they spawn and 2 hunters to lay frost traps and we popped hero at 30%. This tactic usually failed if we didn't get boss down to 50-60% when the first mark appeared and after that we managed to wipe few times.
Second time we had 2 tanks, 4 healers, warlock for stuns, 2 hunters for frost traps, we popped hero at 20% and we agreed to let 3 first persons with marks to die and outdps the heal if the marked person wasn't a tank. Worked like a charm and oneshotted the boss with ease after changing to this tactic. Don't remember how many marks we got, but we got the achievement. So if you are struggling with this encounter and have 2 healers with well geared (prob t8.25+ is enough) dps offspec, then give it a try.
Guild Downed Saurfang and got "Ive gone and Made a Mess" on our first Saurfang kill. After browsing Tankspot and all my other start sites We couldn't find out what to do about the marks going out so fast and people dying. So heres what we learned.
1. Healadins with Righteous Fury + MD from Hunters + Hurricane from a Boomkin to get all 5 adds moving through the hunter Traps is Golden.
2. All Melee stops ANY AoE attack 3-5 Seconds before Adds spawn. No consecrate or DnD or Pestilence, EVAR!
3. Mark of the Fallen on a DPS? Let em die. Mark of the Fallen (2nd time) on a DPS.. Let em Die... after that start keeping people alive.
Why do you let them die? Saurfang's blood point starts to rise VERY fast when a Marked player is kept alive due to the fact that any dmg done to the Marked player gives him Blood Points. First Mark goes out at like 60 - 65% life on Saurfang. If you let them die he will be at like 65ish %. Next Mark if adds are dealt with will be at like 33% ish. putting him up to like 40% Any marks after that must be kept alive due to him entering Frenzy and you DO NOT want him getting life back AFTER Frenzy has started. Once the adds come out at around 31% you pop BL and Burn them and hit Saurfang Hard. Any Marks of the Fallen after that must be kept up. DPS him down and deal with the Adda and its GG.
2 Tanks, 4 Healers, 19 DPS was the raid Make up. (2 Hunters for MD and Traps, 1 Boomkin for Hurricane and Typhoon, 1 Healadin w/ RF on)
Downed him 2 weeks in a row now.
If you use 6 healers, then you can afford to loose one aswell.
So, if none but the tanks get the mark, just let them die, but make sure they die fast, otherwise he will still gain some BP from the mark which should be avoided.
Using a deep frost mage with blizzard to hold them in place is a really nice way to deal with the adds aswell.
Another thing that helps a lot is having 1 or 2 disc priests in the raid casting PW:S on the ones with blood boil, since the shield will absorb the dmg and stop Saurfang from gaining BP. this should be prefered to be casted on melees, so they can stick around and keep dpsing.
1. Boiling Blood targets.
2. Mark of the Fallen Champion targets.
3. Active tank.
4. Inactive tank.
5. Ranged dps (potential targets of Blood Nova)
Melee DPS should not be shielded unless they have a debuff.
Also, videos still show the graphic effect of blood power being transfered to the boss even on fully absorbed damage of Boiling Blood. This wouldn't mean you shouldn't shield the target though, damage that can be avoided should always be avoided regardless. This may however just be a graphical glitch, it is difficult to determine what causes blood power gains since the combat logs don't show it (least not currently).
You can completely trivialize this fight even moreso than the "let them die" mechanic. Basically, soulstone paladins and have them DI the mark victim, then pop back up. As long as the DI'd person isn't stupid and doesn't click it off they won't take any damage for 3 minutes and Saurfang won't heal. Don't use this as a crutch, though. It'll inevitably be nerfed.
Final warning, DI'd people may or may not be eligible for loot, so you may want to click it off as the boss is dying.
After finally getting Saurfang down last week on 25 after a lot of wiping the previous week, this week we has a rushed run through icecrown with who we could get on, and we one shot through the lot including this and got the gone and made a mess achievement. Go figure
Two weeks not seeing my pally tier token though dammit


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They can do it in France...
I don't see why the ISPs are still kicking up a fuss about this kind of thing in the UK - I live in France, and they're quite happily streaming at least 30 channels to FreeBoxes (an ADSL modem which has a remote and a Scart socket on the back for your TV) - http://adsl.free.fr/tv/ - and I'm not aware of any fair use limits/restrictions on P2P-traffic either.
The internet was not set up with a view to distributing video.
Chief exec Mary Turner said: "The internet was not set up with a view to distributing video. We have been improving our capacity, but the bandwidth we have is not infinite."
Neither was it set up with a view to e-commerce, blogging or many other things we take for granted. If we all received the bandwidth that we signed up for then this would not be a problem. Stop whining and introduce fibre to the home!
Not setup for?
Well Mary Turner, the internet was not set-up to do 90% of what it does quite happily including serving WWW pages (they came along 20-25 years after the internet was first created).
ISPs that have failed to invest in suitable infrastructure, and basically work to a lowest price model deserve to go to the wall.
"Mary Turner said: "The internet was not set up with a view to distributing video"
Possibly a candidate for most retarded comment of the year? Especially from a CEO of a large ISP.
Free ADSL for me?
If my ISP is going to get a contribution from the BBC towards the cost of the service I pay for (a connection, for data to be transferred over), does that mean this amount gets taken off my subscription cost?
I love the way ISP's just moan about customers wanting to use their networks to capacity!
How can people moan about the BBC IP services when the BBC has a free and open peering policy? The ISP's don't have to pay a penny for 1Gb/s+ direct peer to the BBC, so what are they moaning about?
The download service behind iplayer is Kontiki which is a p2p system anyway, so once enough people have downloaded the content it will start flowing from other users on the same network.
I could understand the ISP's moaning if the service was hosted in the states and they had to pay for transit to access it, but as its for free their just whining.
Don't we pay for bandwidth anyway?
I'm certainly on a broadband contract which requires me to pay for bandwidth once my "inclusive gigabytes" have been used up for the month, so this seems like a plea to get paid by both the service provider and consumer for the same commodity.
I also have access to the BBC multicast trial and, unless I'm mistaken, my ISP doesn't seem to discount multicast traffic when totalling up my usage, so they're not exactly encouraging solutions that reduce demands on their infrastructure (not that multicast is sufficiently well supported in consumer equipment for it to "just work").
Mind you, I've had the iPlayer beta for a while and removed it from my PC owing to its general pointlessness, so perhaps it's not going to be the goldmine ISPs hope!
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The good thing about this (if there is a good thing) is that if ISPs are ever going to introduce 'pay extra to watch iPlayer', people like me who don't own a telly are less likely to get stung by the TV Licensing Anus Watchers who would like to argue that because the t'internet comes to my house then so does all night BBC fests of Eastenders, Panorama and CBEEBIES.
As it happens, no telly is quite liberating, as is not having to pay the license fee.
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BT have no right to complain about video gobbling up bandwidth. They have their own Video-on-Demand service, BT-Vision, which I assume is the real reason they don't want the BBC service to succeed.
back door charges
As the BBC in the UK is paid for by a license charged to all who have a TV, It is in their charter that ALL services should be free and available to the citizens of the UK free of charge hence the argument with open source operating systems.
Some commercial tv companies ITV and Channel 4 are already public with their players but the ISPs have not said a word about them. I and many others will NOT pay extra to receive a BBC service.
either to the BBC or a third party. It is ours as a right granted by government, ISPs can get ready for several court actions if this goes ahead.
These would be the self-safe ISPs who bang on about how many videos and MP3s you can download in their advertising materials as a guide to the connection speed?
Their JOB is to provide bandwidth: that's what they're paid for. Bleating on that there isn't enough of it when they're making active efforts to bring on board as many subscribers as possible (working on the premise that they'll have super-fast high-bandwidth connections) is somewhat disingenuous.
Or perhaps it's the case that the technical departments have finally got a voice after years of being stymied by the PR divisions?
Either way, the ISPs would do well to work with the applications providers in order to make things work properly if they're really that concerned. BT, CPW, and friends, all—for example—have ongoing deals with Akamai; there's nothing stopping them from doing something with the Beeb to aid content distribution.
The simple fact is that the BBC will have to put a load of infrastructure in place to make the iPlayer work long-term, and it would probably prefer to have a good proportion of that kit closer to the users than it would be if it hosted it all itself: if the ISPs were to engage in some old-fashioned dialogue, an arrangement whereby the BBC sticks kit in the major ISPs to act as local iPlayer head-ends works in both their favour—a reduced transit bill for the BBC, less traffic crossing the ISP's borders, and a more responsive services for the user.
This is hardly rocket science, really.
"Web TV"
Oh, and also—it's not "web TV", is it? YouTube is "web TV". iPlayer is a separate application (and to date, it's using proprietary peer-to-peer protocols via Kontiki's delivery platform).
Grabbing more cash?
Is it just me but do comments like "The internet was not set up with a view to distributing video" reveal these companies to be full of crap? Suely the Internet was originally designed to be a robust military network that would survive a conventional or nuclear attack. The Internet itself doesn't actually care what your data is, all data is binary and it's all sent in packets. The Internet was designed to be agnostic in what data it was sending or recieving, you can just as easily argue the Internet wasn't "designed" to buy goods on Amazon, browse for porn or download MP3s either.
You might have a legitimate complaint for obvious bandwidth hogs like Joost or for activities like file sharing that can be running foul of the law. However for something like iPlayer which presumably is using very modest amounts of resource given the poor image quality and that it's legally a legitimate service, it sounds like another scam to get you to pay for services you've already paid for...
Haha, imo its a good thing that these ISP's can't handle it.
They're crap and they give bad service, and that's what makes our country crap for internet!
If they can't handle what the internet provides, then they shouldn't be ISP's, right?
"The internet was not set up with a view to distributing video."
Ha, what bollocks. The internet changes and people don't want to be bound by what it was 'set up' for, and if they can't see/wont see that, their loss!
"... bandwidth ... not infinite"
"the bandwidth we have is not infinite" said a Spokesperson. Which is of course perfectly true, and bandwidth (especially BT Central bandwidth, used to by all except the largest ISPs to connect to BT UK's wholesale access network) doesn't come cheap (though it's nice to hear BT Retail complaining again that BT Wholesale are too expensive).
BTwholesale costs are the primary reason why affordable UK ISP tariffs mostly now have usage capps, some flavour of traffic shaping, or both (if they don't already, they will soon).
If the ISPs are going to ask the BBC to pay for iPlayer bandwidth, presumably the deal is that ISPs will consequently be excluding the iPlayer traffic from their shaping measures and from customer quotas/"caps" etc?
Somehow I don't think so, but ICBW.
Is DRM bypassing the cache servers?
Surely the ISP's cache servers should be keeping the popular videos off the backbone. And BBC iPlayer uses your up channel to serve somebody else (you're the cache).
But if the DRM-ed stream needs to be fetched from the server, then the cache might be bypassed.
Does that mean there'll be a three-tiered TV licence?
Colour - B&W - Linux/Mac User....
I mean linux and mac users shouldn't have to subsidise the ISPs for a service that the BBC isn't offering *them*? ho ho ho.
Or more worryingly, is this just the agument the treasury need to add Broadband Use to the remit of the licence fee. There may be more PCs than TVs out there after all...
I'd be willing to.. switch ISP!
If my ISP tries to charge me or the BBC for bandwidth we have both already paid for, then I'll switch to a better ISP. Simple really!
An idea for the BBC...
The BBC should launch their own ADSL service. They could then lock iPlayer to only work when connected up to their service. Would only have to be a token gesture, I imagine the ISPs would buckle quite quickly after the first press release.
How much would you pay your ISP for iPlayer?
Nothing. What's the point ? Sure, it's *nice* not to have to build a MythTV box, or wait for someone else to PirateBay it, but it's not worth paying for.
And I certainly don't want my licence fee used to prop up failing business.
Just a load of piss poor excuses.
In terms of techncial costs, it's all about paying BT per Mb (or Gb obviously) that uses their backbone infrastructure. Well ISP's already know this, and they make money by setting their unlimited* packages based on the average amount of data their average customer will transfer, then add operating costs then a profit margin. That's all good if customers never want anything more from their data connection, but as we all know that's just not the way the web works.
To be honest it's BT's own fault for having such a shite pricing model in the first place. Talk about the ideal way to stiffle growth.
Consumers want to be able to use the net how they want. Why the hell should I care that the ISP doesn't have the infrastructure - I'm paying my subscrption fee for unlimited* use. If the ISP can't negotiate that with their suppliers (BT) then that's poor management on the ISP's part. Did they really think that web traffic will stay static?
Idiots - start investing with all that cash i'm paying out to you.
Err what am I already paying for?
Seems to me like I am paying a monthly subscription to an ISP to get 20Mb/sec download speed subject to some sort of fair use policy that I couldn't explain if I tried.
I didn't see any restriction on what I could use that for when I signed up.
Lets for the sake of argument say that I actually got the speed I'm paying for (ha ha) and I fancy using my bandwidth within my terms and conditions (if I could figure them out).
All good so far, except the ISP's would be very upset if everyone did this I'm guessing, as they aren't actually providing me the full service that I'm paying for in all likelihood.
So to claw back this sudden cost of actually providing the service they are selling to me they need to attack other providers of services for cash.
A weird world we live in.....
So what would happen if the big business' such as BBC/BT/ISPs etc all invested in a fibre infrastructure instead of the shite copper we are trying to squeeze every drop out of these days? It's not a bandwidth problem... it's a not wanting to invest in more infrastructure problem. In some asian countries they can upload AND download at the same speeds... imagine! :o
I wish rip-off britain would end, and we would actually get what we pay for... rather than half the service at twice the cost of most other modern digital countries.
Other things the internet wasn't set up to do
Mary Turner said: "The internet was not set up with a view to distributing video. We have been improving our capacity, but the bandwidth we have is not infinite."
All very true Ms Turner - the Internet might not have been set up to stream video, neither was it set up so you could sit in a plush office somewhere earning a huge amount of money for sitting on your backside coming up with crap like that.
Bandwith not infinite?
Very true, so why don't these ISPs make some attempt at being pro-active and work with companies willing to use multicast (like the BBC, for example) as the carrot, linked to the shaping-of-P2P stick?
@Kevin Hall
"Suely the Internet was originally designed to be a robust military network that would survive a conventional or nuclear attack. "
NO NO NO! BAD Kevin. The internet has no such history. Where do people get this bollocks from ?
ARPANet was designed and implemented as a scientific and research network, nuclear survivability was never one of it's design goals. Never, you hear ?
Please go away and look it up.
Tiscalli P2P shaping
FFS, they even shape MySQL traffic. One of our employees can't use our s/w from home most of the time.
In fact, as far as I can see the only traffic they don't seem to shape in HTTP/S
Just like the water companies...
... urging customers to reduce their water consumption to preserve resource instead of fixing their leaky pipes.
ISPs should clean-up spam spewing botnets on their domains before pointing the finger at poor ol' Aunty Beeb for "wasting" bandwidth.
This rather smacks of a cartel in action, which seems a tad on the unlawful side. Particularly as they aren't making the same claims (a.k.a. blackmail threats) to youtube.
BT Central pricing
The cost is not global bandwidth or indeed peering with the BBC, its the price of connecting up to the bt central pipe (Giving isps access to the end user) - Bandwidth here is hugely expensive (And contended). Anyone saying "i've already paid for the bandwidth" is talking crap - You've paid for 1/50th of that bandwidth if your lucky. The truth of the matter is while the isp's have the capacity to the internet they dont have the capcity to the bt central pipe (due to stupidly high wholesale costs from bt, the state of the local loop, and the lack of capacity at exchanges)
If for example - everyone on the same exchange was to pick up the telephone and dial a number, not everyone would get through (its over sold) - Same with ADSL - If everyone at the same exchange jumped online at the same time (regardless of isp, forgetting llu) you would notice a severe lack of speed.
BT need a kick up the ass - no one else :)
Time for ISPs to be realistic
If you're going to offer a 2mbit "unlimited" connection (fair usage policy applies - as always!) for £15 and you can't actually cope with a user downloading with it, then be more realistic instead of offering something you can't provide.
I realise that BT Central bandwidth can be expensive for the ISP, but if you're expecting the average Joe Bloggs to only view the occasional website on their unlimited 8mbit broadband (which really isn't unlimited) then the pricing of the product is flawed. Peer to peer wasn't exactly commonplace for the average user so these ISPs could get away with just kicking users who download too much. They can't get away with dumping more and more users just because they decide to use BBC iPlayer.
Put realistic usage caps on each product. If the cheapest package only allows 2GB then that's fine, just don't even bother advertising it as unlimited.
TV License
'As it happens, no telly is quite liberating, as is not having to pay the license fee.'
Bad luck mate, read the Law. any device CAPABLE of recieving any type of broadcast (limit is screen size) so this includes internet broadcast and as such, ANY PC needs a TV Licence!
TV Licence...
"Bad luck mate, read the Law. any device CAPABLE of recieving any type of broadcast (limit is screen size) so this includes internet broadcast and as such, ANY PC needs a TV Licence!"
Well if that is the case then the TV licencing folk down in Bristol do no know their own rules. I have a television but it is used for DVD and Xbox only. They sent round an inspector who looked it over flicked through a few channels, made sure there was not an antenna socket thing on the wall nearby and said "No probs mate, we will update our records" and then thanked me for letting him see.
As we in the UK are always at the bleeding edge (or certainly were when the telephone system was being researched and created for the first time) we tend to get things in early.
We in the UK grabbed Vista when it was a Beta. We dealt with the errors/crashes and unrecognized hardware as best we could, installing 3rd party drivers, patching things as we went along. As a result we ended up with a slow, cumbersome end product.
France quietly waited for Vista SP1 (with its extra thick coppery goodness) and as a result have a fast, well functioning OS.
Get it?
The French have a nice ADSL2 network already rolled out, tested and working for years (it helped a bit that the French had most of their old infrastructure blown up by the Germans). We in the UK are halfway through upgrading the copper that our internet zips through to a thickness that could support ADSL2 at any decent speed at all.
Just wait a few years and no doubt all internet and telephones and tellys will be connected wirelessly. Wouldn't it be nice to have a cheap wireless subscription that ran at 8mbs which you could use anywhere in the country paid for on your Mobile bill.
Mobile Telcos better stop taking advantage of us with sky high prices for services that cost them jack. Even then they're justing trying to pay the gigantic fees you need to have a mobile broadcasting license.
We need a forward thinking company like Goggle in the UK, innovating.
Am I Missing the point?
I know the statement Mary Turner made is stupid and that the throttling of my traffic by Tiscali is the most annoying thing ever, (hurry up Be and enable my exchange), but surely the up take the BBC seems to be predicting is a little optimistic. Why would the average user want to watch TV on their computer monitors? It can't be multi tasking because the latest survey by steam suggests the average computer is barely powerful enough to run xp. On the other hand, in the corner of most rooms is a large 36" stereo TV with SKY or freeview and a big sofa in front of it. I know what I'll be watching.(And before anybody suggests it, running anymore cabling about our house has been forbidden on pain of death by my girlfriend so my computer can't be hooked up to the TV.)
If Mary wants to do something useful, she can explain why her eula describes peek times as " 6pm to 11pm" and that these are the times throttling would occur and yet my usage is still impaired after midnight?
Multicast - sorry, but not relevant here (nor is peering).
Someone mentioned multicast. Someone else mentioned peering.
They're not relevant to this picture.
The most expensive bit of this picture is the interconnect between the UK ISPs and the BTwholesale access network, as has already been mentioned in other comments. All data travelling between punter and ISP has to cross this very expensive bridge (for almost all UK ISPs). This piece of bandwidth, brought to you by the nice people at BTwholesale, is more expensive than transatlantic bandwidth. Peering doesn't avoid traffic crossing this connection. Multicast doesn't reduce this traffic either (not even, afaict, in the glorious new world of Pure IP DSLAMs and 21CN). Forget multicast, it helps the BBC, not the ISP, not the punter.
Local loop unbundling avoids these "hugely expensive BT Centrals" but for some reason is only interesting financially to huge ISPs in selected high-customer-density [1] areas (maybe bandwidth actually *is* expensive in this particular setup)?
[1] You've got to be dense to sign up for Sky, Orange, or CPW LLU broadband.
Reminiscent of Comcast complaints
The issue of Comcast calling high-traffic customers to tell them to cut back has been documented here as well as other places.
In the past I've seen a lot more "it's their right to limit heavy users" messages than this time around. I feel that it's acceptable for ISPs to have transfer limits. But I still don't like the fact that Comcast continues to advertise unlimited accounts, terminates rather than throttling heavy-user accounts, and refuses to divulge what the limits are.
At least competition has the potential to make bad actors clean up their act. I am ready for DSL or a second cable company to operate in this market. The wireless ISPs are getting better, but the one I have dealt with here has not yet gotten to the point of fulling understanding how to install their equipment.
Re:TV License
"Bad luck mate, read the Law. any device CAPABLE of recieving any type of broadcast (limit is screen size) so this includes internet broadcast and as such, ANY PC needs a TV Licence!"
Bzzt, wrong. The law doesn't say precisely those words. Go forth and look it up. Indeed, the rules were recently clarified. A PC doesn't need one unless it has a TV tuner card in (and shows signs of being used—if it happens to have one in but you've never installed the tuning software, or never set up the channel lists, you're in the clear). Similarly, TVs used just for games consoles and DVD players are fine—keep them away from an aerial and de-tune them, and you'll get a thumbs up from TV Licensing.
Grass is always greener
"The French have a nice ADSL2 network already rolled out, tested and working for years"
Don't believe the hype/newspapers. If you're one of the lucky few who live close enough to an exchange to get nice unbundled service then you'll get the TV etc., but for those of us unfortunate enough to live too far away then you get just the same crappy, shaped, unreliable service from "Free" as the complainers here get from their UK ISPs. My French ADSL line is so unreliable that I now have a cron job running on my office system talking to my home system at intervals, so that I can build up a profile of outages for the next time I have to complain. Last year they blocked all encrypted traffic for weeks (supposedly to stop P2P traffic hiding in an SSL stream), until the consumer organisations complained. No VPN, no SSL email...
........For giving us a regulatory framework that makes it worthwhile for carriers to invest in new high speed fibre based networks capable of delivering these services........NOT.
TV Licensing
I have no TV and recently received a visit from an inspector. I say I received it - I was at work at the time so I just got a note through the door telling me that they'd call again. The wording is interesting at the part where they tell me why I might require a licence:
"You need a TV Licence to use any television receiving equipment such as a TV set, set-top boxes, video or DVD recorders, computers or mobile phones to watch TV programmes as they are being shown on TV."
I remember from my old flat that they used to specifically mention TV-Tuners in relation to computers in their threatening letters (I also remember I let the nice man in to poke about my flat and they still kept sending me letters, so they won't be coming in this time!)
As I understand the law 'as they are being shown on TV' means 'at roughly the same time as they are being shown on TV', rather than the easy to mis-read 'as they are being shown on TV at some time or another' - consider a lawfully purchased DVD of some or other BBC show.
I also seem to remember the BBC News site having some text near the video streams stating ~it is our opinion that you need a TV licence to watch this in the UK~.
It seems that they want to trick people into buying a licence even when there's no lawful requirement these days.
The question I find interesting is - what if I am using a webcam to chat to a mate and I can see his telly in the background? Do I then fall foul of the law and need to ask him to move the camera or turn off the telly, or does it become a narrowcast and not a broadcast? (Also do I care? If I was that bothered I'd buy a TV Licence and watch TV - as it is I can spend the best part of the evening catching up the day's news from El Reg which is a whole lot more entertaining than the shite I remember seeing on telly).
The internet was not set up with a view to distributing video
This is funny, innit?
The Internet was setup to deliver content. Video is nothing else than content, it consists of digital data as a HTML Page does or a download of an application or MP3 file.
THe problem is that the ISPs in question do not have the necessary infrastructure in place to deal with the customer demand. THis is not the problem of the user or content suppliers, it is the problem of the ISPs. So you lovely ISPs, pull your fingers out of that smelly dark place of yours and start investing profits into expanding your infrastructure. I have a 2Mb DSL connection, i pay for 2Mb so i want to use 2Mb as i see fit. But then i am also with an ISP who doesn't filter my traffic, who doesn't force me over Proxy Servers or who does impose a cap on my 2Mb/sec for which i pay. It is like buying a fast german car but then get told you can only use half the speed and half the bhp and if you drive more than 400Miles a months you lose the car.
What is also funny is that the ISPs in question are mainly reselling BT Broadband. BT has its own Internet TV offering. But even more funny is that ISPs like BSkyB (Sky Network Services) are not on the list to complain, even though they would have a real reason to kick a competitors backside. Maybe its time we get rid of this spam infested crux of the Internet that is named Tiscali, Carphone Warehouse etc. There are enough alternatives out there on the market...
As I said in the other story...
You should stop blaming BTwholesale for the awful central costs. OFCOM ensure that BT charges a fortune so LLU (as well as the population on the other 4000 exchanges with no chance) looks like a goldmine in comparison. I even think OFCOM *graciously* allowed BT to lower their wholesale prices a bit, but not by any earthshattering amount.
I completely disagree with this un-level playing field, as someone who will never get LLU. It means I have to put up with shoddy service, shoddy speeds, low caps, traffic shaping and higher cost (although I don't mind paying, my current DSL service costs £40 a month and it's reasonably good. Not a consumer ISP either - although charging pennies for broadband as the large consumer ISPs do and then bleating on about congested networks really doesn't wash. Try upping your prices so you can actually invest in a decent network and not have to shape or complain that the BBC is doing something good (even though it's win only, but thats a topic for somewhere else) The cheapskates can then go to some other poor ISP, and then complain about the poor service, I guess.)
So if you want to moan about BT's outrageous central prices, try our "fair" regulator.
We told you so...
We have been saying this would happen...
UKplc has obsolete infrastructure. 21cn will be no better.
Light the fibre.
Proving the lie of "unlimited"
If anything useful comes out of this it might just be to wake up that silent majority of (pre BBC iPlayer) "low users" so beloved of the ISPs. A good number of these will turn into bandwidth monsters overnight, quickly discover the real weaknesses of the ISP they previously thought they had no reason to moan about. Tiscali and the rest only get away with the deceitful advertising and poor service they deliver because most don't stretch their connections enough to notice the inadequacies.
every cloud has silver lining
Yes Mark, and it may also open up the eyes of government who believe the porkies BT tell them, such as 'the job is done' and 'broadband is available to all'. What a joke.
If the Iplayer is a success then every exchange in the country will fall apart. All BT care about is milking an obsolete copper network for every penny they can get from us, they put nothing back and pay out for fat cat salaries and advertising.
Nothing will work until they light the fibre and provide fibre to the home for everyone. This will cost less than a fiver to every home. Will they do it?
Not until they are forced, so lets hope everyone uses Iplayer....
You cant pin it all on ofcom
How can you pin it all on ofcom, its bt who are not putting any money into a new network.. theres only so much bandwidth we can pull from the local loop.. the capacity simply is not there in the exchanges for everyone to do what they want.. regardless of the bt wholesale costs.. they could be £350/mbit or £5/mbit.. if the exchanges cant handle it we're just playing 'pass the contention'
BT have no right to piss and moan about the cost either, every adsl line activated in the uk costs ~£60 ? As the copper network has paid for itself 100 times over.. BT should have taken that money and used it to upgrade the exchanges.
As previously said by mrs doyle - Light the fibre!
ISP whining....
As I write this Tiscali is advertising "Unlimited Broadband" on its homepage - this is definitely something that the advertising standards authority needs to pick up on, I thought it was illegal to advertise something you have no intention of delivering? Many moons ago I was a Tiscali customer - one day they wrote to me saying I had exceeded my bandwidth limit (after advertising supposedly unlimited broadband) and that they were terminating my account. I simply took my business elsewhere.
Last Card : lets not forget that Tiscali is also streaming it's own TV on-demand over it's network (channels C1 and C2 ) how much bandwidth does the BBC iPlayer Kontiki based service use versus how much is consumed by Tiscali's own services, Sky Anytime, 4oD, Limewire etc etc.
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As a solotop champ, he falls short to the others, even when fed. He's so farm/ult dependent, it makes him very unattractive. Last game I played, my top gp fed wukong and by the time the game was over, he had 14 kills but he couldnt carry his team like jax could or yi or riven. I was jungling shen and easily defeated him after countering his build ofcourse. Point is, he's fun to play but he never really has a strong point. Not early game, not mid game, and not late game.
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He is strong early game.
Xin is strong early game. Leblanc is strong early game. He's pretty decent early game.
It's true, Wu can't carry a team on his own.
He can buy enough time for his carries to catch up, but ultimately he depends on his team late game to capitalize on his utility. This is why he is best built obnoxiously tanky, so he can survive all initiations.
Lane or jungle, his lack of sustain really makes his early game pretty rough. Also, he can be countered pretty hard by those that stack health or armor, or have strong CC to negate his initiation like Janna, Alistar, or Lulu.
He has a great mid game though... and late game one well placed ult can win the game. Late game is also where his passive is the most noticeable.
Overall, I would say that he is fairly balanced.
Lack of innate sustain is his only issue, but some Quints of Vigor can help this problem.
Are you kidding? Wukong is extremely strong, I don't know if you're not playing him correctly or what. Maybe your not building with items like warmogs armor and atma's impaler.
First time I played Wukong when he was free I went like 9:0, and a few games after that I was high positive. Wasn't runed for ADC, I think I had support runes.
I think he's fine, personally. He's got good teamfighting.
Late game, imo, he exceeds with the CC and damage from his ulti. His clone is stupidity to some players who have no idea what they are doing.
Honestly, while he might not be the best champion, he's **** fun to play. And that alone justifies playing him.
Let me see if I get what the OP is saying here, "This champion can destroy some match ups early but doesn't have a good early game. I beat him once as a Shen in a duel, so obviously he isn't a strong duelist. His ultimate is really strong but strong ultimates are a liability cause after you use them you don't have them."
Couldn't help but smile reading your post. I think you can figure out why he doesn't need any buffs if you give it a minute Patron. glhf out there
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His use of Noonan as an example could not be more appropos. However artistic Noonan´s prose I am unwilling to overlook her endorsement of Obama in 08. Before that I had believed her a serious columnist but promoting an empty chair to run the most important nation on earth is unforgivable. I am uncertain this country will ever recover. I´ve not read her since.
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