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16 cottages are grouped around garden patios at this peaceful Northern California auberge shaded by the lush foliage of Siberian elms. A luxurious step above the classic bed-and-breakfast approach, all cottages have wood-burning fireplaces, soaking tubs and homely porches complete with wicker rockers. Mod cons are still in evidence with sleeping quarters outfitted with flat-screen TVs, complimentary wireless Internet access and DVD players. Set on the northern end of Napa Valley, guests can explore the wine region via the daily two-hour tasting excursions that include an artisanal buffet of local honey, cream cheese and fruit jams. Or opt to pedal yourself and grab a couple of bikes from the complimentary bike fleet and ride to nearly 50 wineries within 30 minutes from the inn.
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EPA cautions states on rising ocean acidity
The federal agency recognizes carbon dioxide as a water pollutant, and it urges states to list acidic waters as impaired under the Clean Water Act.
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States with coastal water that is becoming more acidic because of carbon dioxide should list them as impaired under the Clean Water Act, the U.S. Environmental Agency said.
The federal agency's memo Monday to states recognizes carbon dioxide as not only an air pollutant but a water pollutant, and notes the serious impacts that ocean acidification can have on aquatic life.
Ocean acidification refers to the decrease in the alkalinity of oceans, which is caused by the absorption of excess carbon dioxide from the atmosphere. As water becomes more acidic, scientists have raised concern about dissolving coral reefs and potential effects on fish and other sea life.
"Ocean acidification is one of the biggest threats to our marine environment," said Miyoko Sakashita, a senior attorney at Center for Biological Diversity. This EPA action "really gave the green light to using the Clean Water Act to address ocean acidification," she said.
The EPA's memo stems from a legal settlement with the Center for Biological Diversity, which sued the EPA last year for not requiring Washington state to list its coastal waters as impaired by rising acidity.
The memo said in 2012, states should begin to list bodies of water that suffer from ocean acidification as impaired, but it also acknowledged there's currently not enough information in many states to support listings for that reason.
Currently, about 40,000 bodies of water are listed nationwide as impaired.
Sandy Howard, a spokeswoman with the Washington Department of Ecology, said Tuesday the state is working with federal agencies to find more accurate and reliable methods of measuring pH, which shows how alkaline or acidic something is.
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Anyone use the Marin Sun Farms meat CSA?
Thinking about giving it a shot, but would love to get some feedback. One of the things that irritates me about our produce CSA is the quanity of some items (usually too little of a single item to serve to our family of three.).
dolcevita_sf seems to be pleased with it over a fair time period.
re: stacyc
I wanted to get feedback on how things are packaged ,etc. So I order say 10# of steak cuts, 10# of poultry, and 10# of stew meat. How do they package it up? 1# packs? A certain number of steaks? I need to make sure I get a reasonable amount of each item for recipes, etc.
I gather you feel the quality and value are good as well?
re: SLRossi
Ah okay. I order a custom share that includes both roast and premium cuts, poultry and eggs. The packaging is interesting. What you get is different every time and so is the sizing of what you get. So, for instance, this month, for poultry, I received one 5.5# chicken, one 3.5 # turkey breast, a turkey leg, a package of 6 chicken wings, on half chicken and 3 stewing hens (which I special ordered). Sometimes it's all whole chickens, sometimes it's breasts and legs/thighs. So, a mix. Same for the meat. Sometimes I get all beef, sometimes I get other animals like lamb (I received two frenched racks this time) or goat (received 4 goat chops) of various sizes. I haven't asked for specific cuts so if that's of concern, I'm sure you could correspond with them in advance. I think it's kind of fun to figure out what to do with whatever I get.
Happy to answer any other questions. Quality is good though there are other products I also like. For instance, I buy all sorts of meat from Pampero at the Mountain View FM on Sundays. They have longhorn beef but also have assorted cuts of lamb, pork, and chickens -- oh and milk straight from the cow. I like their meat a lot, but they haven't organized a CSA drop program yet. Value is good for the quality, but it's not cheap of course. Depends on how much you buy and it's a minimum of a 6-month commitment by EFT.
Let me know what you decide to do. I've learned an incredible amount by necessity to cook some of the cuts I receive. I am a master of stocks now and they enhance everything I cook. I don't know how I lived without them!
Oh, and customer service is good. They respond to emails and calls promptly.
We get Marin Sun Farms and are generally pretty happy with the quality and rarely have problems with the packaging. We get a 15 lb/month "roast and braise" package with no meat substitutions (So we get a mixture of beef, goat, pork, chicken and lamb). My one complaint is that there's too much lamb and goat and not enough pork - but there's always a mix.
I wouldn't say that they're the best butchers either and their finished products (like sausages) are good but nothing amazing.
Six months or so ago we got some of the premium cuts (dry aged beef, some pork chops) and they were nothing short of spectacular. Sweet, buttery pork chops, nutty well marbled beef. Something really special.
re: boris_qd
Regarding packaging - the stew meat usually comes in 1 lb packages and the roasts are usually deboned 2-3 lbs each. But that said, I did get an 11 lb bone in lamb leg and a huge 7 lb beef roast in my box one month. Chicken has been halved unless I special ordered it. Ground meat is always 1 lb packages. Steaks, chops are individually packed. Ribs are typically in 2-3 lb packages. Special orders like pig feet can be cut in half or left whole on request.
They are generaly responsive to any problems or questions over email.
The spicing of the sausages is just not quite right for me - I don't have any on hand right now so that I can be more specific (and a much smaller quibble - it would be nicer too if they were just a little smaller so that there was say an extra sausage in a "portion pack" but the total weight was the same). That said, I usually order them if they're on special and keep them for fast last minute meals.
In general I'm very happy with the quality and price of MSF and regularly encourage other people to give it a try.
Not that anyone asked to be convinced but I really like the surprise of finding out what will be in the monthly box. When that 11 lb. leg of lamb arrived my first thought was "are you kidding me?". It was just giant. But it forced me to move a little beyond my usual recipes (and out of my kitchen). In the end we roasted it in one of the "Diablo Stoves" in Mt. Diablo park and made a day of it. Some pictures here: http://www.flickr.com/photos/abak/611...
The trip was planned because/around the leg of lamb. The MSF box suprise made one of my best summer afternoons.
Have any of you tried the meat boxes available from Avedano's for comparison?
I've had Marin Sun Farms meats, from the San Rafael market and occasional from markets in the city that sell it. Just curious about the benefits of the CSA subscription versus buying occasional meats.
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I have done the MSF CSA since the beginning and I like it. I should say I am not really a meat person. It's fine, I eat meat, but I could and have been happily vegetarian. My three sons and husband are decidedly meat lovers. They want to do a BBQ tour of the south they love it so much. So, we did the CSA because I wanted good quality meat and I didn't have the will power to pay the higher prices for well raised meat when I went to the store. That was my original motivation, now I like the service. For those that tried it awhile ago it has changed a bit. First, they got a new administrator (came from Frog Hollow) and he is fantastic. Danny is very responsive and organized. Second, they used to give you a variety of lots of different cuts, which made it hard for a family. At least in our #2 share now they give us individually packaged but the same cuts, so it is easier to feed the family or guests. We also get a lot more of their dry aged steaks then we used to.
As mentioned we get 1 lb. packs of ground, 1 lb of stew and everything else is based on the weight of the product. We get a real variety in roast sizes. When we get ribs sometimes we don't get enough for my family (without me eating them even). We do get whole chickens as well as half or parts. When we only get parts, we often get two types (leg and breast) but not always. If you are big chicken eaters, then it may not serve all of you. You almost always get multiple beef ground in the big pack, but when we get stew it is usually only 1 lb. of it.
Some months you will get more of one animal type than another (I have had goat heavy and lamb heavy months), but rare is there a chicken or pork heavy month. I tend to get more pork than chicken, and chicken is seasonal. My husband wishes there were more BBQ friendly cuts (we get them, but he loves to BBQ)
I love love the ground goat, and generally prefer their ground meats to regular store bought. I like their dry aged meat and prefer the taste of grass fed meat in general. My husband has become very adept at cooking grass-fed meat and my kids prefer rare to well done. This CSA would be an issue if you preferred grain fed taste and well done meat that wasn't dry (if that's possible : )).
This is a CSA - you don't pick your cuts, and so if you are picky about cuts, then this doesn't work well. If you are indecisive like us and would rather people just pick them for you it works well. There are a few cuts I am less excited about when I get, but we always find a use for it that works well.
On a similar note, what other meat/dairy/other non-produce CSA's are out there? I'm switiching to Mariquita CSA this year for produce, but since they don't offer add-ons, I'd like to find a source for meats, eggs, etc. Marin Farms looks like a great option, just looking for other input.
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Mariquita often has meats and dairy from neighboring farms (and a few of their own cattle) too. Be sure to sign up for the mystery box list too. You'd need to pick it up at a special location, but worth it.
re: Windy
Just to clarify, Mariquita has pork from Linda's tasty pork, but you have to order full boxes which may be too much for some people. They occasionally have goat cheese and more often olive oil, but not much more of the non produce;. These aren't through the CSA but thorugh the Ladybug letter or a special delivery.
re: jsaimd
The pork is Linda's, but I've gotten Andy's beef, eggs, and milk. Sometimes they have Mariquita butter too.
re: jsaimd
Their dairy products are never on the weekly email. They're only occasionally available and only if you pick up your box very early. But it's the best milk I've ever had. Ditto for the sheep's milk yogurt from Rebecca/Bellwether.
Loved the beef too.
re: Abby0105
You might get more responses if you post that question in a new topic.
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Real Food Bay Area CSA offers all sorts of things including eggs, dairy, meat. www.realfoodbayarea.com


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We will be in San Francisco for 4 days and would like recs, price no object.
one of the days include sunday.
Thanks in advance
Here are a couple of sites that might be helpful (the SFgate site has useful maps):
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Gotta say, was unimpressed by Foreign Cinema - tatty, worse for wear facility - OK but not excellent chow. Best feature is the movie.
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I have to agree with that. Foreign Cinema is a favorite on this board, but I too was unimpressed with the place. It wasn't bad, but we left wondering what the big deal is. The food was fine, but not all that spectacular. There are lots of places that are in better shape, in nicer areas, and have better food for the price.
Try Absinthe for brunch...definitely order the potatoes. Perbacco is a new, fabulous Italian restaurant in the Financial District. And if price is no object, definitely try to get into Gary Danko and Fleur dy Lys.
They're all the "best". Are you looking for "most expensive"?
Best really means absolutely nothing out here. In any of a couple dozen categories
there are maybe the top ten that get mentioned the most. But even then,
a big part of this chowhound thing is finding the ones that don't get talked about.
Usual advice: Scan the SF board back a couple of months. Do work first before
asking others to do work for you. Give people something to go on: what do
you like, how adventurous do you feel, do you have any real interests, etc ...?
As mentioned, you will get more info if you read some posts and get a list that you then seek comments on. "Best" is so totally subjective that it is virtually impossible to respond. You should also mention what types of food you like or don't like and what you can get where you live. Does price is no object mean you only want expensive places? If so, check out Dining Room at the Ritz Carlton, Gary Danko, Michael Mina, Fleur de Lys - those are not in any particular order. More names in no particular order - Ame, Myth, Zuni, Boulevard, Isa and A16 in the Marina. Aziza in the Richmond is fun. Do some searches on the names folks have offered and then ask us about a narrower list that seem appealing.
My recommendation is an older place that actually got mixed reviews when we were planning our San Francisco trip. We decided to give it a try anyway, if only for the view. Overall, we were not impressed with the food in SF, but we LOVED the Cliff House. I wrote a detailed review on TripAdvisor (maybe under a different username), if you want to check it out.
re: starbucksbrew
You were not impressed with the food in SF but LOVED the Cliff House??? Where else did you eat?
re: starbucksbrew
Can you post the link to your TripAdvisor post? I'm curious to see where you ate and what your impressions are. I'm a little confused by your posting. Glad you liked the Cliff House though, I recommend that to a lot of out of town friends and they always enjoy it, eventhough it gets slammed on this board.
re: sgwood415
Yes, I would like to see a positive post about it. Even with good reports, it is far from the Best in SF. My experiences there have ranged from ok but overpriced to out and out bad with bad service. Love sitting in the cocktail lounge though with a drink.
The thing with this site is that it is about the food. So a visitor who is excited about being in SF might love the view and also not be as clued into the fact that there are better restaurants with better prices in the city. But I'd love to hear differently, so I hope starbucksbrew posts the link.
Have you eaten there and have recommendations? Is it a place you go above other places in the city when you want to eat the best in SF?
So far for me the best is the popovers and drinking in the view in the upstairs lounge with a drink.
re: rworange
I agree, my best experiences too have been in the bar for a drink and a small plate nosh. They update their menu with the seasons, so go for what you like. I do believe this board can extend to the total experience of a restaurant which includes the food, presentation, service, locale (based on a poster's needs), and cost. Hard to separate those when condiering a restaurant IMO. I don't care if a place has amazing food, if the service is lousy I can't fully recommend it without that qualifier (Olivetto's anyone?). So, my recos for Cliff House are to stick with straight ahead dishes and try to order local, go for crab and salmon over shrimp and mahi mahi, for example.
It is not a place I'd go above all else, but the OP mentioned a sunset, and that's a good place with that in mind.
re: sgwood415
Here is the long story of why Cliff House was our best meal (it was truly spectacular, and we like upscale food):
At Cliff House (the Sutro's part), we started with a crab sushi roll, which was awesome. Then my husband had macadamia crusted halibut with coconut couscous. I had black pepper prawns (huge prawns) on spaghetti with a light cream sauce. I also had an Ocean Dream coffee for dessert - coffee, Godiva liqueur, banana liqueur, Meyer's rum, and cream. It was all excellent, as was the service (which was lacking in many other places).
We ate dinner one night at Panta Rei (?), where I had great osso bucco on fettuccine, but my husband's 4 pasta sampler plate was totally bland, bordering on bad. Plus they didn't tell us until after the meal that they didn't take credit cards. Now, I'm sure the reason they didn't take credit cards is because they are located next to 5 banks in the financial district. So while I sat at the table, my husband ran across the street and paid $5 in service fees to get cash from an ATM to pay for dinner. I don't care where they are located, when dinner costs $70 (more specifically, if dinner costs more than $20), people are going to be upset if they don't take credit cards AND they don't let you know until after you've eaten.
We also ate at Sauce. I don't recall what we had, but I remember they were both average. The PBJ dessert that was getting rave reviews at the time, was over-toasted, tasted kind of charred.
We ate lunch at an Irish place, I think on Geary (or one street over), which was good, but we have equally good, and better, Irish places in Orlando where we live.
We had lunch one day at Boudin, which was good but not memorable. We did have amazing Chinese pork buns for a snack one day, but the dinner we had in Chinatown was just okay - nothing like the Chinese food I had in Montreal's Chinatown.
We were also struck by how expensive breakfast is in San Francisco. We had a Waffle House or IHOP quality breakfast at an ordinary local diner - it was $30 for the two of us.
The worst was we went to Ghiradelli Square for brownie sundaes, and they were out of brownies! You are Ghiradelli for crying out loud, how are you out of brownies?!
re: starbucksbrew
Thanks mucho ... hope you will ask on the board next time your in SF. Did you get the recs from Chowhound? There;s so much better than that.
Yeah, I'll tell people to go to Boudin if they insist on eating at the Wharf. There are a marginal few better than that in the Wharf but it is one of the better options ... so there you go. Irish ain't that great in SF ... there's a possibility of it getting better say 10 years from now. There's a big working class Irish group currently that is at the stage where it is a beer after a hard day to relax. Like any group as they get more upwardy mobile they might make an impact on better Irish cuisine.
Hope it wasn't Lori's Diner cuz that place sucks big time. Mels ain't that great anymore either. There are some great breakfast places in town ... and some lesser priced ones too.
Anyway, appreciate the feedback and will link to your report next time the subject of the Cliff House comes up.
re: starbucksbrew
Please let us know when you're in SF again and we'll all steer you towards some great eats. We have much better to offer than those places!
re: sgwood415
I will! I didn't know about Chowhound when I went to SF the first time. I am currently getting recs on the Chicago board for my upcoming trip there. :)
p.s. forgot to mention, on our last night there, we did have a v.v. good meal at Kuleto's. I think that is another older place too. We will have to find some trendy places next time!
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wow starbuscksbrew too bad that you went to some of the worst places, ones that I could not image going to, a local paper would of steered you to better places.. glad you found chowhound, so next time you will have a completely different experience.
re: starbucksbrew
Yeah, there's a lot better than Kuleto's too. It is ok, nice view, good happy hour specials. However, a lot of locals think of it more as the place you go for a business meal that you sort of go to when the company sends you there for events or with clients. Decent enough but nothing too great.
That's the thing with Chowhound it isn't about what is trendy, but what is good. That doesn't mean there aren't good trendy favorites.
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In my descending order...
#1- Fleur de Lys
#2 (tie) La Folie
#2 (tie) The Dining Room at the Ritz Carlton
#4 (tie) Boulevard
#4 (tie) Ame
All that said, I might hit up Slanted Door on Sunday night. Awesome food, service, and views. Not necessarily too authentic, but by far the best Vietnamese food I've ever had. Not super-expensive. A16 is also awesome and unique and not super-expensive.
re: whiner
I like that its not authentic, but the best Vietnamese food you'd had. Wouldn't inauthentic disqualify it from being the best of? (I should point out I have no use whatsoever for "authenticity" as a way to distinguish food since I think removed from the time and place the food literally cannot be...and besides, I don't care if its authentic if its bad.)
For me: Myth, Jardiniere, Quince; Chenery Park, Gialina, Yummy Yummy. I'd avoid the Presidio Social Club as we found the food and service sub par.
re: ccbweb
Well, I'll give you that inauthenticity leads to imprecise discussion of 'favorite within a group or sub-group'. However, I still think grouping of similar styles can be useful when discussing food (or wine, or television shows, for that matter). If I were to call it my 'favorite Vietnamese-styled restaurant with a hint of modern and progressive CA-french accents using ingredients generally available in the Bay Area as opposed to those available in Vietnam" I would be comparing it to about 7 other restaurants in the world.
Plus, I think most people looking for a 'Vietnamese' restaurant don't care as to the exact level of authenticity. They just want it to be Vietnamese, broadly construed... you know, not Thai.
So... the best Vietnamese-like restaurant in the world?
I do agree with you though, you can't match the experience of eating a bisteca IN Florence (or.. San Gimignano) or Beef Bourguignon IN Burgundy.
re: ccbweb
I'll grant that the term "authentic" is a red herring, and a certain amount of inauthenticity is unavoidable as foods migrate. But I think "I like that its not authentic" is a very telling remark and should be written acoss the foreheads of half the chowhound posters on this board. Cubes of rare Harris Ranch beef in a rural peasant-based Vietnamese dish is obviously deliberate inauthenticity but has done a lot to make Charles Phan rich and famous. He HEARS you.
re: Gary Soup
Oh, I've actually never eaten at The Slanted Door. That was a poorly constructed sentence by me...I meant that I liked what whiner wrote, namely, that the food is not authentic but then still referred to it as "the best vietnamese" food he's ever had. Goes right to the problems with labelling something "authentic" or not and also calling it some particular cuisine. whiner certainly did a good job of explaining why one must do that at times, though...and humorously so. I can't speak to whether Phan's food is good, authentic or anything else about it. I like food for its own qualities and don't much worry about whether something is "authentic" apart from curiousity.
Certainly, for the OP, The Slanted Door would be a quintisentially San Francisco experience. Gary, you've got a wealth of experience in SF, where would you send someone coming to town?
re: ccbweb
"whiner certainly did a good job of explaining why one must do that at times, though...and humorously so."
:: insert smiley greamlin::
Gary, I'm a sucker for the shaking beef... I get it every single time. I actually think that is one of the single best dishes in SF and would strongly reccomend it to anyone going.
re: whiner
Breakfast: Mama's (Washington square)
re: whiner
I like to pick on the Shaking Beef because I once read an interview where Charles Phan explained the origin. He said he found it in a remote area of Vietnam where the quality and freshness of the beef is generally suspect, so it's minced very fine, cooked to almost a cinder crispness, and doused with a sicy sauce. It seems quite a stretch from there to rare cubes of designer-label beef.
I imagine the Harris Ranch beef cubes don't really shake, they just quiver a little.
re: ccbweb
I actually have a very narrow range of experience in SF apart from Chinese food (and I think I know a decent al pastor taco when I see one). I've been to Slanted Door a few times because the company paid for it. Ditto Boulevard, Shanghai 1930, Market Bar, Yank Sing, etc., none of which I would recommend (except possibly S1930 nowadays) except within very narrow parameters.
re: kleungsf
Boulevard- I thought it was going to be one of those "tourist trap" restaurants, but I was blown away. It's a SF classic, definetly worth it.
Best Chinese ever: House of Nanking. A little gem. Right off Columbus. It's a small place and kind of a hole in the wall. But the food is phenomenal. When the owner comes over to take your order, tell him you'll take whatever he suggests. He does a great job.
Kokkari- Financial/Embarcadero area. Medittereanean/Greek. Awesome.
A-16: very cool, hip place. Wine list and food are great. I prefer going at lunch for a pizza and a glass of wine and then walk around the Marina district. I went for dinner once and wasn't all that impressed.
Emporio Rulli which is down the street from A-16. AWESOME. Great for an espresso and pastry or for 5 star food at a great price. The dinner menu is terrific.
Zuni Cafe- I have been ther once and I wasn't overwhelmingly impressed. I guess I had higher expectations because of all the talk.
Ozumo- near Boulevard.
Michael Mina.
re: adefiori
House of Nanking is a particularly interesting choice. For most folks it always seems to be a good experience the first time around, but loses much of it's luster on the second visit. It probably has something to do with many of the dishes tasting the same, which would still make it a good choice for tourists.
IF price is no object for the "best", get a limo to drive you up to the French Laundry. Call 60 days in advance for your reservation--as soon as the phones open.
This discussion has been had many a time on this board and, in my mind, there is one obvious answer. Pick up the phone and call Gary Danko and get yourself a reservation. You can thank me later. There are many many amazing restauarants in this city (Fleur de Lys and The Dining Room at the Ritz are more than amazing), but they are all fighting for second place. I would go on but I'll just let you see for yourself.


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Scientists at an Australian university have grown eye cells on Cicadas' wings, after noticing that the nano-structures on that part of the insects' bodies have anti-bacterial properties. The James Cook University researchers chose retinal cells as their test case because, as they said to AAP, these cells "won't grow just …
If someone makes an artificial "antibacterial" surface for use in hospitals with the intention of thwarting superbugs, any superbugs of unusually large size will naturally be selected resulting in new strains of HUGE MUTANT SUPERBUGS!!!
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"superbugs of unusually large size"
These are no problem to deal with - you just lure them outside and attack them with artillery.
Re: HUGE MUTANT SUPERBUGS!!!
As you wish (although I was thinking more along the lines of burning them in the fire-swamp).
"While it only works on bacteria with the right level of membrane rigidity, it's the first time a surface has been found that can destroy bacteria solely through its physical structure. "
It also doesn't work on molds and other stuff...
Look.. Cicadas make their typical noise with their wings. To do that those wings must be *DRY*. They have evolved a surface that does exactly that..
Bacteria do not grow if there is no (free) water around. Humans have figured this out, and have been using salt as dessiccant since the early stone age. ( again, molds yes, bacteria no, which explains the large amount of regional variety in sausages.)
Put A + B together.... Nanotubes suck moisture, with great efficiency. El Reg has had a couple of articles about that. nanotubes on a bugs' wing? Land on that as a bacterium, and you literally get sucked the life right out of you. ( plus another host of reasons , but all they amount to is : no free water = no growth)
Of course this is overly simplified, but I for one do not have an "atomic microscope" in my budget. Just a decades old degree in biology. But hey... it's got "nano" in the title, so it must be actual science...
Yes, I'm a grumpy b'tard. Downvote at will.
You got a downvote from me not because of your explanation, which may have it's valid points, but because the article actually mentions and describes the method by which the surface kills bacteria of a certain size and type. A method which has no resemblance to your theory and sounds really cool.
But then considering the amount of alcohol hand gel deployed in hospitals, work places, etc, they're not going to have a problem.
Even if it only works on bacteria this could be incredibly useful if the concept is used to create artificial materials for hospitals and such. Most of the superbugs floating around, like super staph, are bacteria.
Breaking News...
Scientists announce they can make the Sun shine out of CEO's arseholes.
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Update, the CEO's do the sunshine bit for themselves!
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Now what are they going to do when someone tells them to stick it where the sun don't shine? Get some of the R&D people on that quick. You probably don't have much time before one of them will need an answer.
I'm confused though
Why did they then decide to grow retinal cells on the wings? What has that to do with Bacteria?
Re: I'm confused though
It's to show that the wings really are as 'clean' as they appear to be, because retinal cells will only survive in a really clean environment. Which is why puncturing an eye even a tiny bit so often leads to blindness with minimal contamination.
That sounds awesome
Break out the ATOMIC FORCE MICROSCOPE. It should have been a line in a 1950's b movie
Re: That sounds awesome
Nah, they should have used a turbo encapulator.
I'd buy a chopping-board with a surface like that.
There's an app for that
If we can figure out how to make super large bacteria, the obvious application for such a creature is as security for secret islands where the residents have numbers for names.
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Good grief #1, lighten up man...it will get better.
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#1 represents a POV often expressed in this forum, but it is this very (IMO) attitude which has caused the current fiasco in our government. I believe Mr. Williamson is quite correct when he says:"Unless you are ready to give up entirely on the notion of advancing conservative principles through the ballot box, you might consider looking at things this way: Even if you do not think that it matters much whether Republicans win, it matters a great deal that Democrats lose."My wise mother used to say: "Don´t cut off your nose to spite your face." In this context, that means do not destroy the country because you cannot get your way.Flame on, but be forewarned that I don´t care for the opinions of people whose spite is greater than their good sense.
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There is another option, the one the Founding Fathers faced all those years ago, before they became the Founding Fathers. We may face it as well one day.
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Not ´spite´, #3, it´s observation and experience. We have voted for ´the lesser´ evil many times, with the idea that we must ´win´ first - then we can work to change the things that everyone ostensibly agrees should be changed.The problem is, every time we pull the lever for a left leaning Republican because we are voting ´against´ the Democrats, the Republicans take it as an accolade or a commendation. The result being, Republican Party candidates have moved further to the left with each election. Then, when we start working to change things like honestly reducing our spending and downsizing our Federal Government, we are labeled ´purists´ and ideologues who do not understand the necessity of compromise. Let me say this plainly - It does not matter if the Democrats lose, if the Republicans do not run the Government any differently.For clarification, I´m not talking about the difference between raising the national debt by ten billion instead of twenty billion. Or the difference between putting ten thousand new regulations on individuals and businesses instead of twenty thousand. Or the difference between the Republican and Democrat versions of Obamacare.(Cont.)
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(Cont.)This country is being destroyed. The Republican Party has done next to nothing to stop it. They have not even raised the alarm. In fact, they have ridiculed and attempted to undermine anyone who has expressed such concerns. Let me qualify that; the Republican Party seems to believe that the biggest threat to the country is the possibility of not enough ´Party´ Republicans being in office. And who cares how they will do their jobs, as long as they can ´get elected´.What it comes down to is this, no one knows how far from the edge of the cliff we are but we are definitely moving toward it. True, we move faster with the Democrats, but we can no longer afford to say ´Let´s elect Republicans because at least they will move more slowly toward the cliff.´ We have reached the point where nothing short of a full stop will save us. And the Republican Party, as a whole, shows no sign of stopping. Therefore, some of us are considering the possibility that we must abandon what we have traditionally supported, in the hopes of finding someone who will.It has nothing to do with ´spite´ and everything to do with a desperate attempt at saving our country.
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BYOB Etiquette Question
Here's a question for all you BYOB regulars. I'm planning on bringing a special occasion bottle to a NYC Steakhouse. However, since there will only be 2 of us and my wife hardly drinks, what would be the most appropriate way to handle what remains in the bottle? Even after offering the sommelier a taste I'd imagine we'd still have a 1/3 remaining. Sure I could finish it off, but I'd rather not due to the circumstances. Would it be poor etiquette to take it back? It's a reasonably expensive bottle ($1,000).
re: CarrieWas218
While I enjoy my wines, I feel better sharing, and especially if those, with whom I have shared, might never get to taste those wines. Maybe that is just me.
Yes, it is mine, but then I usually have others in my cellar, and the servers probably do not, and many never will.
I seem to be in the vast minority, but so be it.
re: Bill Hunt
I always leave what's left in the bottle at the restaurant and, especially if it is a very fine wine, tell the server that i am intentionally leaving it for him/her.
to me, it seems petty or haughty to do anything else.
re: westsidegal
We just returned from a trip to Blackberry Farm, and besides the fabulous Schrader wines in the event, bought many wines from the list on the "off nights." With each, we offered our sommelier (there were three, out of five, working with us on that trip), plus sent a glass to the chef. We retained left-overs during the stay, and they purged and stored them for us. On the last night, we had several bottles, that were partially filled, and upon completing dinner, donated all to the staff. Now, during that stay, we had been gifted a wonderful Shiraz,. We shared that with Fred and Carol Schrader, plus their guest at another table. After we each had our glass, we passed it onto the staff, along with about 4 partial bottles. Heck, I still had to navigate our golf cart back to the cottage, and the trail twists and turns, plus has major hills. I had already reached my limit.
re: Bill Hunt
i'm jealous.
re: Bill Hunt
All I know is that I really hope to end up sitting next to you in a restaurant someday, in hopes that my longing looks and drool will result in a taste of something my school teacher salary will never, ever, allow!
re: alitria
Signal me, and I will do my very best to make it happen. There is little more in life, than to share a nice wine with great folk, who will appreciate it, or at least offer their critique of it.
I am the balding old dude, with a white beard, and probably a double-breasted blazer with a pocket square, sniffing and swirling.
Just introduce yourself, and we will make it happen.
re: Bill Hunt
And alitria, Hunt means it! I took him up on the same offer in Scottsdale and we had a splendid time and a nice lunch. But the rascal arranged to have it paid for without me having a chance to grab the bill.
re: Veggo
There are few things in life more satisfying to the soul than dining with a person who loves food and wine as much as you do! My husband and friends like good food, appreciate a good dinner, but don't feel compelled to spend three hours debating the finer points of the exact spice blend or savoring every sip of a good wine while trying it with little bites of everything on the table! Such a delight!
And I'm easy to spot, I'm the professionally dressed woman with pink hair and a nose ring. Trust me, there aren't too many of us!
Does local jurisdiction allow you to take the wine back off the premises? If so, then no reason not to take it. Just be nice and tip more than you normally would for good service, as they are providing the wine service and stemware.
A way to avoid even having to pack any wine off is to decant it at home, and have a glass or so then. When you return the decanted wine back to the bottle and take it with you, you can inform the sommelier or server that you've pre-decanted.
re: wineglas1
Haven't fully decided yet, but at this point I'm almost mulling over just leaving it at home...
re: vision20
From my reading, you're planning on a glass or so, your wife probably won't even have a 1/2 glass. I'd probably leave the wine home, order something from the resto's wine list, and have the $1000 wine at home another time with a wine-loving friend. Sounds like too much wine for this outing.
Eugene is absolutely correct to point you to the law books!
I forget the law of New York State, but here in California, it is perfectly legal for you to take any remaining wine in the bottle home with you -- regardless of whether you BROUGHT it or BOUGHT it -- as long as it's stored in the trunk (or in the far back section, for example, of a station wagon or SUV). If it is in the passenger compartment of the car, you can be arrested for violating Section 23225 and/or 23226 of the California Vehicle Code (CVC).
OTOH, this is *not* the law in every state, and so I advise you to check first . . . .
re: zin1953
As far as the law goes...according to http://www.winedoggybag.com/statelaws...
NEW YORK – A WINEDOGGYBAG STATE – Approved by State Liquor Authority
SLA 588 allows the removal of one partially consumed bottle of wine if (i) the restaurant has the appropriate wine or liquor license, (ii) the bottle of wine is purchased in connection with a full course meal, (iii) the patron consumes a portion of the wine with the meal, (iv) the wine is securely resealed, placed in a one-time-use tamper-proof transparent bag which is securely sealed and, (v) a dated receipt for the full course meal and wine is provided to the patron.
I'm assuming all of the above points need to be met? Strangely it doesn't seem to allow for byob wine...?
re: vision20
What a silly country we live in! In my state, we have lots of BYOB restaurants, and it isn't unusual to see people simply putting the cork back in and walking out with what is left - no hermetically sealed bags, etc.
re: jmoryl
Well, it is not just a state, but can be a county, or even a municipality. For county, think of Maui, which has totally different laws on this, than the other Hawai`i counties, like O`ahu.
Gotta' check closely,
re: vision20
BYOB in New York can be an iffy proposition in and of itself. In some states, you can bring BYOB to ANY establishment; in others, only to those which do NOT sell alcoholic beverages; in others -- like NY -- only to those establishments that DO sell them . . . and, of course, only when and where the specific establishment permits . . . but then -- since it wasn't purchased *there* the question remains: can you take it home?
re: jpc8015
Yes -- speaking of etiquette -- that is a BIG no-no . . .
re: jpc8015
The establishment definitely does not have what I am bringing
re: vision20
Are you going to tell us????
re: vision20
Just do take out and don't worry about it.
re: vision20
Depending on the local laws (state, county and municipality), that might not make any difference, or might only be an element of etiquette. Check first.
I am anything BUT a BYOW expert, though I have a deep cellar. With similar, I always invite the sommelier, and often the chef, to join us in a glass. If that does not finish it, then the service captain, and any one of the crew, that he/she chooses.
Just did a major Montrachet (not a BYOW, but one that we nursed for a few nights at the resort), and invited the "crew" to share with us.
I have done the same with some rare DRC's, and have enjoyed the comments from the staff. Many never get to taste such wines, and if I can help them, then I have done my part on Earth. All that I ever ask is for them to give me their impressions.
re: Bill Hunt
I'd be happy to give you my impressions! How generous of you. As you said, most of us will never get to taste any DRC's...
re: ChefJune
Well, certainly not NEW ones . . .
re: Fowler
I am in the wrong business if they can afford these.
re: Brad Ballinger
Leaving the remainder for the staff is a great gesture. Local laws may very well prohibit you from taking it back out. If its an issue I would just take something else.
I'm a great believer in sharing what I bring and leaving whatever is left to the staff. I generally make sure that my server gets a taste of the wine if it is something special. Recently I took an '05 Kosta Browne Kanzler PN with me to dinner and offered a glass to the manager. He shared it with a couple of the other asst. managers. When I asked my server if he had given her a taste, she was shocked that I thought he would even think to. So I asked her to bring a glass and gave her a 3 oz pour for her. (She shared it with one of the other servers.)
re: dinwiddie
Always depends (for me) upon the restaurant, and the server's/sommelier's/chef's interest in wine. If they are "into" wine, I *always* pour them some. If not . . . more for us! ;^)
Are you BYOB'ing without being charged corkage fee? If so, then I go along with those that say tip extra generously for the wine service.
However, NYC restaurants, and almost all steakhouses in town, are known for steep corkage fees that, imho, takes appropriate account of the wine service that will be provided. Even in cases, almost often, where I paid corkage fees, I still add the same tip percent to my bills that includes corkage fees.
Leaving 1/3 of the bottle is your call. I won't fault you if it was your only bottle and it's special to you, and would like to study how it evolves with, say, additional day in your home refrigerator. Or, you may just leave it for the servers. I've done both.
Important things to consider is that if corkage-free BYOB, then tip very generously and at the very least, offer tastes to the sommelier and your immediate servers.
Here is a question for all those saying give it to the staff. What about in those states (such as Virginia) where a restaurant can lose it's ABC license if any employee on duty is caught consuming alcohol?
re: mojoeater
You leave it for the staff and assume it is their responsibility to wait until their shift is over before tasting...
re: mojoeater
There is a similar law in Indiana. But the restaurant isn't going to lose their license because of a single infraction. They would get fined and perhaps have to appear before their local board. I have seen restaurant staffs taste wines dozens of times.
re: mojoeater
As I have said, every state's laws are different . . . that's why, among other things, people in other countries are often disappointed (or disillusioned) when they try to sell wine in the US. It *seems* like a great idea -- the US is a BIG country -- but you not only need Federal label approval, but you have, in fact, 51 different sets of state laws that one has to meet . . .
In terms of wine laws, Virginia is one of the more -- um, "awkward" states one has to deal with, and the fact that a restaurant *can* indeed lose its license if an employe is caught consuming alcohol on premise . . . not only can you not buy your favorite bartender a drink, but you can't give your server or the sommelier a taste of your wine . . .
Think about it: you dine early, and you bring a treasured bottle to the restaurant -- 1962 Romanée-Conti -- and you give the sommelier two ounces in a glass to savor and enjoy . . . but it's 7:00 pm and the restaurant doesn't close until the last customer leaves, sometime around midnight. Oh, yeah -- that Burgundy will be wonderful at 12:15 am . . . NOT!
And -- as a sales rep -- you go into the restaurant to sample the wine buyer on your wares, but the restaurant is open for lunch, and . . . yeah -- you're f***ed!
re: zin1953
The wine and beer reps I know in VA make a point of either setting a time before the restaurant opens or after the owner/buyer ends a shift. Sure, you will see staff in some places taking a drink on the clock, but the places that have extensive wine and beer lists generally don't take the risk.
re: mojoeater
Yeah . .. that doesn't really work on "ride-arounds" -- meaning when a winery representative, or the national sales manager for an importer, comes into town . . . Tuesday in Richmond, Wednesday in Charlottesville and points nearby, Thursday in the DC suburbs, and so on . . . .
re: zin1953
As you well know, besides the states and DC, there are county variables to fight too. Like Hawai`i, where most counties have fairly liberal wine laws, but then there is Maui, which is different.
Gotta' be fun to be a distributor, doing a road trip. One needs about 3000 law books in the trunk - with little room for the wines.
re: mojoeater
In VA, with the exception of The Inn at Little Washington, I am most often doing B-T-G, so that has never come up.
re: Bill Hunt
Bill, you and others here have summoned up memories of my days as a busboy at a fancy french resto during my senior year at Penn in Philly. I was an eager learner transitioning from a rural CT youth where tuna casserole reigned supreme, to fancier urban stuff. I had my chance to sample remainders of many fine wines that I bussed from tables, straight from the bottle I swilled them just past the swinging doors to the kitchen. The experience provided an early running start to one of life's nice pleasures. Which lead to another...and another.
It has been a good life.
re: Veggo
Unless you were at Le Bec Fin, back then, or Murimoto's later, those were most likely not MY leftovers, but I am glad that you had those experiences.Now,when my lovely, young wife was at Wharton, she might have contributed, but being a poor student, I would guess that they were drinking cheaper domestic Chards?
re: mojoeater
you just gave me a new reason to avoid going to Virginia.
re: mojoeater
pretty simple answer:
the staff waits until their shift is over and then pours themselves a glass.
even without such a law, many find a good wine to be much more enjoyable when they can sit still and savor it. also, many reds will benefit by another few hours of breathing. . .
re: westsidegal
But then again, many wines will fall apart by then . . .
re: zin1953
if someone is taking their legally mandated break, it would seem to me that they are not "on duty."
i'd expect that most breaks take place before most wines fall apart.
in office environments it's fairly normal for folks to leave the premises briefly to have a smoke during their break time.
if one works in a restaurant, couldn't one leave the restaurant premises to take one's break with a glass of wine?
re: westsidegal
I've never had a break in 15 years working in restaurants. They make you sign some paperwork to legally waive it.
re: westsidegal
a) I doubt it; but more importantly, b) I am not an expert on Virginia State laws . . . all I know is what has confronted me EVERY time I've been in Virginia on a sales trip . . .
---> if I have an appointment with the wine buyer of a restaurant, EITHER the appt. is set for mid-morning or afternoon (before the restaurant is open for business), OR I meet the wine buyer on his/her day off. This seems CRAZY to me.
---> if we (the local sales rep and myself, in town from California -- representing a winery or an importer) show up somewhere without an appointment, EITHER it's "nice to meet you, but I can't taste anything until after my shift/after we're closed," OR it's "nice to meet you, you can pour me a glass, and I'll try it after work."
Drove me CRAZY!!! A wine buyer's job is to taste wine, and they couldn't! It's nuts!
re: zin1953
Some local laws (not saying that VA has any, as I have only been their to drink, dine in, or judge a wine event) are throwbacks to the dark ages. Now, I feel that I can make that statement, coming from Mississippi, where once there were three laws, regarding wines, beer and liquors: no one may consume alcoholic beverages; if one does consume, sell, or purchase alcoholic beverages, they must be 18 years of age; and then, if one purchases, sells, or consumes alcoholic beverages, a "black market tax" must be paid to the tax collector (read the County Sheriff here). That did change in the late 60's, and County-Option took over, with ABC stores, and all sorts of laws.
re: westsidegal
Virginia is a wonderful state with wonderful aspects. ABC laws are not among those.
A) as invino states, most restaurant workers don't get breaks long enough to leave the premises.
B) even if they did, where would they go? It is also illegal to drink alcohol in public locations such as sidewalks, parking lots, in your car, etc.
C) a location with a license to serve alcohol cannot have workers on the clock under the influence of alcohol. While an ABC agent doesn't carry a breathalyzer, if they have any reason to believe a worker has had anything to drink, they could make trouble. Granted, they would have to be insanely anal, but it is not worth the risk.
I would save the bottle for another time when you can share such a special bottle with someone who will also enjoy it. That said, if you choose to bring it when dining alone with your wife, I'd drink liberally of the bottle, and leave the remainder for the staff to enjoy. Sure, if the laws of your state allow you to take it home, it is within your right to do so. Nevertheless, I think the gracious and kind thing would be to leave it for the staff.
by the way, i recommend 11 Madison where they charge 35 dollars for corkage and have appropriate wine glasses. For an excpetional bottle, i would want Riedel or their equivalent glasses
It's not poor etiquette at all to take it back. I've done this myself in NY, although not often--usually just with Madeira.
Having said that, consider whether it's likely to still be good by the time you drink the rest of it, especially if that's going to be the next day, and if it's a place you go to often, whether the gesture of offering it not just to the sommelier but for the chef, other somms, waitstaff, etc. is likely to help you towards "friend of the house" status.
I would save it for another occasion, when you and a wine loving pal (or just you) can finish the whole thing.


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American Idol fans will surely enjoy this gorgeous rendition of a Hank Williams classic by Season 12 finalist Janelle Arthur. Listen to the budding country star's take on "I'm So Lonesome I Could Cry" at her Grand Ole Opry debut below!
Personally, I don't think Idol knew how to handle Janelle this season, and that was unfortunate. They weren't necessarily looking for artists or interpreters, and Janelle ended up side-swiped by the process. Well, their loss. We can enjoy Janelle post-Idol just fine.
Janelle Arthur currently joins her fellow American Idol finalists on the show's nation-wide summer tour. Would you like to hear more music from Janelle Arthur? Do you think she has what it takes to conquer the current country music scene?
Good luck, Janelle!
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Surprisingly pretty good. Her performance at the finale was sensational.
That was absolutely gorgeous!!! I hope Janelle has more successes.
Is she signed by a record label?
So proud of Janelle! She made ol' Hank proud with her rendition.
@takakupo That was the best finale performance, and it's why I keep covering her music currently.
@titina Record label news is indeed still under wraps for the Idols. We'll know soon enough!
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20 mins
1 hr
Quick and very good main dish or side dish for any occasion.
3quart ...
Units: US | Metric
Serving Size: 1 (1991 g)
Servings Per Recipe: 1
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