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Air Seychelles
|Seychelles International Airport
|Frequent-flyer program
|Etihad Guest
|Airport lounge
|Salon de Vallee de Mai (SEZ)
|Fleet size
|Parent company
|Government of Seychelles (60%)
|Seychelles International Airport
Mahé, Seychelles
|Key people
|US$ 88.7 million (2013)[3]
|US$ 3 million (2013)[3]
|629 (2013)[3]
Air Seychelles is the national airline of the Seychelles, with its head office on the property of Seychelles International Airport on the island of Mahé.[4] It operates inter-island services and international flights. Its main base is Seychelles International Airport. The airline is currently 40% owned by Etihad Airways.
- 1 History
- 2 New Corporate Livery
- 3 UK Operations
- 4 Destinations
- 5 Fleet
- 6 Services
- 7 References
- 8 External links
The airline was established on 15 September 1977, following the merger of Air Mahé and Inter-Island Airways, as Seychelles Airlines and adopted the present title in September 1978. It started international routes in 1983 to Frankfurt and London. From 1978 until January 2012 the airline was wholly owned by the Seychelles government and as of February 2012 the United Arab Emirates's Etihad Airways bought a 40% share in the airline. Etihad Airways invested 45 million US Dollars in Air Seychelles at the time of the share purchase which left the Seychelles government with the remaining 60% ownership. Air Seychelles operated a fleet of Boeing 767s on its international network and offers two classes of service, Pearl Class (Business class) and Economy Class. Based at the Seychelles International Airport (SEZ), for many years until January 2012 it also operated a small hub at Charles de Gaulle Airport in Paris in a strategic alliance with Air France which served some former destinations (such as Manchester and Madrid). It is also the major ground handling agent for all aircraft operating at SEZ (Seychelles International Airport).
First Boeing 767[edit]
On 27 June 1989, Air Seychelles received its first Boeing 767 (Registration S7-AAS), a new Boeing 767-200ER,[5] which was leased from ILFC, that made its way to the Seychelles straight off the production line of Boeing. The aircraft landed at Seychelles International Airport after it had completed the longest non-stop flight for a twin-engine aircraft at the time, which began in Grand Rapids, USA on the 26 June.[citation needed] The flight lasted a total of 16 hours 49 minutes and 29 seconds[6] and covered a great circle distance of 14,311 km (8,893 miles).[5] This record was broken nearly a year later by the same type of aircraft on 10 June 1990.[7] This remarkable aircraft also had the landing gear of the 767-300 which allowed it to carry a full load of cargo, passengers and fuel without the limitations of the 767-200. Air Seychelles later returned the aircraft in April 2001 after 12 years in service.[8]
Air Seychelles planned to restructure and reposition itself to return to profit after running at a loss for two years in a row. The airline entered into codeshare agreements with Etihad Airways and started flying to Abu Dhabi in March 2012 to connect to Etihad's Airways extensive network of destinations after discontinuing all flights to Europe in January 2012. Passengers can now travel to Europe and beyond via Abu Dhabi from the Seychelles. Flights to China will start in January 2013 and other new destinations will follow soon after.
On March 16, 2012, Air Seychelles announced a two year business plan with the objective to improve the carrier' position. The plan outlines the renewal of Air Seychelles fleet leveraging Etihad Airways equity partnership of which 40 per cent was acquired in February 2012.
Highlights of the plan include:
- The introduction of Airbus A330-200 aircraft,
- The launch of services to Beijing in early 2013, offering through connections to Johannesburg via the Seychelles,
- Increased frequencies to key destinations,
- Closer cooperation with Etihad Airways to identify economies of scale and synergies in staff training, procurement and product development,
- Extended codeshare operations with Etihad Airways to connect the Seychelles, through Abu Dhabi, with a global network of passenger and cargo destinations.[9]
New Corporate Livery[edit]
In October 2011, after nearly 25 years in the traditional red, white and green local colours with two fairy terns (the Seychelles national bird), Air Seychelles painted its first Boeing 767-300ER aircraft in the company's new colours. The new livery formed part of a new and recently launched corporate branding of the national airline where vibrant and tropical colours have been used to blend in with the natural beauty and environment of the Seychelles. This was also seen as their contribution to promote Seychelles as a long-haul tourism destination. The colours used on the tail end are commonly associated with the Seychelles blue, green, red and white. These striking colours with the abstracted images of the birds and leaves are aimed at evoking the Seychelles' Creole spirit and blend in with the airline's tagline – " Flying the Creole Spirit ".
Launched to major tour operators, travel agents and representatives at Top Resa in Paris in September 2011, the new livery also promotes the magnificent ecosystem that Seychelles boasts and to signal Air Seychelles support for a greener Seychelles and a greener Earth. The new logo, which is in the form of a fluid organic shape like that of a leaf, is painted on either side of fuselage with a more modern image of the trademark pair of Fairy Terns embedded on. The wordings "air" is in a lighter blue to signify the sky, while "Seychelles" in a darker blue to signify the ocean that appears at the centre of either fuselage sides.[10]
UK Operations[edit]
Throughout its operation in the United Kingdom, Air Seychelles has made more terminal changes than most major airlines at the London airports. For 20 years, it operated out of Gatwick Airport (South) until moving to Heathrow Terminal One in spring 2003, then on to Heathrow Terminal Two in 2005 as well as to Gatwick North terminal from 2009 to 2010 when it operated to both Gatwick and Heathrow airports. Finally, in November 2009 it moved to Heathrow Terminal Four until early 2012 when the London route was dropped. It also operated out of Manchester Airport (terminal two) in the late 1990s for nearly two years until focusing solely on London by the end of the 1990s.[11]
Air Seychelles flies to Johannesburg, Abu Dhabi, Paris, HongKong and Port Louis. It will start operations to Mumbai, Antananarivo and Dar es Salaam in early December 2014.
Currently, Air Seychelles has codeshare agreements with the following airlines:
- Air Berlin[12]
- Air France
- Alitalia[13]
- Cathay Pacific
- Etihad Airways
- Hong Kong Airlines[14]
- South African Airways[15]
The Air Seychelles fleet includes the following aircraft:[16]
|In Service
|Airbus A320
EIS December 2014[17]
Leased from Etihad Airways
|Airbus A330-200
|DHC-6 Series 300 Twin Otter
|DHC-6 Series 400 Twin Otter
|Short 360-300
converted to freighter [19]
|3,500 kg
After over two decades of an all Boeing fleet which over the years have included a large variety of Boeing 767, Boeing 757, Boeing 737 and the Boeing 707 in the early days, Air Seychelles will be introducing the Airbus A330 as part of its fleet from the summer of 2012 to serve its long haul destinations which will include China from early 2013.
Air Seychelles has previously operated these aircraft.[20][21][22]
|Airbus A300B4
|Leased from Air France
|Boeing 707-320
|Leased from Varig
|Boeing 727-200
|Leased from Nationwide Airlines
|Boeing 737-700NG
|Leased from ILFC
|Boeing 757-200
|Leased from ILFC
|Boeing 767-200EM
|Leased from XL Airways UK
|Boeing 767-200ER
|Leased from ILFC
|Boeing 767-300ER
|Leased from ILFC
|Britten-Norman BN-2A Islander
|Sold to IDC Aviation and Seychelles Coast Guard
|DHC-6 Twin Otter 300
|Sold to Seychelles Coast Guard
|McDonnell Douglas DC-10-30
|Leased from British Caledonian and Martinair Holland
|Shorts 360-300
|Sold to Ayit Aviation and Tourism
Pearl class[edit]
Pearl Class is the name that has been used by the airline for its Business Class since the start of international operations in 1983. Seats are arranged in a 2-2-2 configuration with 82 inch pitch and can extend to a 65 degrees Lie-flat sleeping mode, with a 'privacy shell' around the seat.[23]
Economy plus[edit]
This was a temporary class of service on the Boeing 767-200 introduced for a brief period from December 2007 to September 2008. Seats in Economy Plus were wider and have more legroom than seats in Economy Class, they were offered on routes with less than an 8 hour flying time which Air Seychelles classed as regional flights such as Bangkok, Johannesburg, Mauritius and Singapore. After returning a leased Boeing 767-200EM in September 2008, the airline discontinued offering an Economy Plus cabin and reverted to its traditional Pearl and Economy class service on all of its Boeing aircraft.
Economy class[edit]
Economy Class seats are arranged in a 2-4-2 manner, with a seat pitch between 32 and 33 inches. These seats have an adjustable headrest and footrest.[24]
Air France alliance[edit]
From 1997 to 2012 Air Seychelles and Air France formed a strategic codeshare agreement which saw Air Seychelles operating flights on behalf of Air France from Paris-Charles De Gaulle airport to the Seychelles and vice versa. The arrangement were such that passengers could travel on Air Seychelles and connect to any Air France flight throughout Europe and beyond at Paris-Charles De Gaulle airport. The seats were shared amongst both airlines and each company remained responsible for the commercialisation of its capacity. Air Seychelles disclosed in 2009 that newer terms and conditions of the agreement was aimed at improving the route economics for Air Seychelles, thanks to a new balance between seat price, capacity share and fuel costs adjustment mechanism between the two airlines.[25]
Charter services[edit]
UK Ministry of Defence[edit]
[26] Air Seychelles announced in January 2010 that it had begun operations to the Falklands as part of a contract with the Ministry of Defence. Air Seychelles successfully bid for it after the ministry had to seek a replacement for the previous operator, which went bankrupt. Several other airlines also bid for the contract, but Air Seychelles was successful due to its experience of flying 767s and of island locations.
Air Seychelles was considered the best choice as it is one of the world's most experienced Boeing 767 operators with over 20 years of extended-range operations. So the operation could be effectively carried out, one of the airline's five 767s, a Boeing 767-300ER, was to have been permanently based in the UK to fly the twice-weekly service to Ascension and onwards to the Falklands. Crews were positioned in Ascension and the UK.
Air Seychelles ended its contract in the third quarter of 2011 with the UK Ministry of Defence to provide service from RAF Brize Norton base in Oxfordshire, England, to RAF Ascension Island and then on to RAF Mount Pleasant, Falkland Islands, in the South Atlantic. The contract was to provide the only scheduled air link, commonly known as the South Atlantic air bridge, from mainland UK to Ascension and the Falklands.
British charter Airline Titan Airways has now taken over the contract for twelve months to commence on 4 September.[27]
Award & Recompenses[edit]
Air Seychelles has been awarded the prestigious 4-star airline ranking by airline review organization, Skytrax. Air Seychelles is the first and only 4-star airline in the Indian Ocean, and is one of only two African airlines in the world that meet the rigorous quality criteria of the Skytrax 4-star airline ranking.[28] Cramer Ball, Air Seychelles` Chief Executive Officer, said: "We are absolutely delighted to receive this recognition. We have been working very hard to enhance our product and service offering. Our new ranking places us among the very best airlines in the world and confirms the significant progress we have made during the last two years.
The airline also picked up two coveted accolades at the World Travel Awards 2014, where it scooped the award for having both the best business class and the best cabin crew in the Indian Ocean region. [29]
- ^ http://www.newswit.com/.life/2014-01-29/59b175584783d60325b6a2732f12abd9/
- ^ Cathy Buyck (2 February 2012). "Air Seychelles appoints former Etihad exec as CEO". Air Transport World. Retrieved 2 February 2012.
- ^ a b c "Air Seychelles posts second consecutive year of net profitability". Air Seychelles. Retrieved May 5, 2014.
- ^ "Offices & GSAs head Office." Air Seychelles. Retrieved on 29 January 2011 "Head Office Air Seychelles Ltd Head Office International Airport P.O.Box 386 Victoria, Mahé, Seychelles."
- ^ a b "June 1989 news". Airseychelles.com. Retrieved 2013-11-28.
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- ^ [2][dead link]
- ^ "2001 news". Airseychelles.com. Retrieved 2013-11-28.
- ^ "Air Seychelles to Leverage Etihad Airways Partnership in its Two Year Business Plan". Arabaviation.com. 2012-03-16. Retrieved 2013-11-28.
- ^ "Press Releases from". Air Seychelles. Retrieved 2013-07-04.
- ^ "Our History". Airseychelles.com. Retrieved 2013-07-04.
- ^ "Air Seychelles inks pact - Yahoo! News Maktoob". En-maktoob.news.yahoo.com. 2013-02-16. Retrieved 2013-07-04.
- ^ Paylor, Anne (6 August 2014). "Air Seychelles to codeshare with Alitalia via Abu Dhabi". Air Transport World. Retrieved 12 August 2014.
- ^ "Air seychelles and hong kong airlines sign codeshare agreement". Air Seychelles. Retrieved 8 September 2014.
- ^ Location Settings (2013-04-25). "SAA and Air Seychelles sign codeshare". News24. Retrieved 2013-07-04.
- ^ "Our Fleet". Airseychelles.com. Retrieved 2013-11-28.
- ^ "Air Seychelles to lease A320 from Etihad". www.flightglobal.com. 2014-07-29.
- ^ http://www.airseychelles.com/en/press_releases/index.php?rc=1&aid=148
- ^ http://www.airseychelles.com/en/press_releases/index.php?rc=1&aid=139
- ^ "Encyclopedia of African airlines - Google Books". Books.google.com. Retrieved 2013-11-26.
- ^ "Our History". Airseychelles.com. Retrieved 2013-11-26.
- ^ "Seychelles Annual Report 2007-2008". Docstoc.com. Retrieved 2013-11-26.
- ^ "Air Seychelles Business Class". Airseychelles.com. Retrieved 2013-07-04.
- ^ "Air Seychelles Economy Class". Airseychelles.com. Retrieved 2013-07-04.
- ^ "Aviation & Allied Business Journal - Air Seychelles, Air France Renew Agreement To Boost Tourism In Seychelles". Aviationbusinessjournal.aero. 2011-08-12. Retrieved 2013-07-04.
- ^ "Breaking News – Air Seychelles gets UK MoD contract for Falklands renewed | Wolfganghthome's Blog". Wolfganghthome.wordpress.com. 2011-02-10. Retrieved 2013-07-04.
- ^ "Falklands Air Bridge". Titan-airways.com. 2011-09-01. Retrieved 2013-07-04.
- ^ "4 Star Airline Rating". Skytrax. Retrieved 19 March 2014.
- ^ "Indian Ocean Winners 2014". World Travel Awards. Retrieved 22 September 2014.
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Need Inexpensive Wine Recs
- donnaaries Jul 6, 2006 07:58 PM
Hi, I'm throwing a wine-tasting party for a group of mid-20 somethings that's basically a "Wine 101." Everyone will bring a bottle and I'm trying to get all the basic categories covered. Since the majority of the crowd are not familiar with wines, I will need to make recommendations for affordable, common, but good ones so my guests can find them easily and don't have to spend too much (under $25). Since this is an intro to wine party, we won't be doing any blends. Basic categories I've thought of so far
Sauvignon Blanc
Pinot Grigio/Gris
Cabernet Sauvignon
Pinot Noir
White Zinfandel (I never drink this, but I know at least a couple of the guests are big fans, are there any decent ones?)
Port (can be more than $25 since I will probably be purchasing this one myself)
Need your input! What are some of your inexpensive favs? Thanks!
Sauvignon blanc: I'D say New Zeland's Kim Crawford.
Chardonnay: Burgundy will exceed your budget but a good Californian should do.
Cabernet Sauvigon: I really like J. Lohr's Seven Oaks
Chianti: How about Brolio
Shiraz: Out of Australia Wolf Blass has a good one or anything Penfolds. You could also try a french Syrah.
Pinot Noir: That one could be a bit tougher though Argyle in Oregon does some good Pinot. Could also go for Churton out of NZ or Coldstream Hill or Scotchman's Hill from Australia.
Riesling: I'd say Donnhoff from Germany if you can find some or some Hugel or Willm from Alsace.
Moscato: I really like Italy's Nivole. Slightly fizzy and full of apricot and peach flavors. To my knowledge, it's only available in half-bottle.
re: Campofiorin
An excellent list! Thanks!
re: Campofiorin
Campofiorin, there are many Chardonnays from Burgundy for under $25. The problem in recommending one is that most are small production and you may not be able to find it. Better to go to a good merchant and ask for their recommendation out of the stock they have on hand.
re: floofy cricket
Checked out the summary on Amazon.com, looks very useful. Also interested in her book "Great Tastes Made Simple." Thanks for the rec!
re: floofy cricket
You might also check out Windows on the World by Kevin Zraly. It's an excellent intro to wine. Jancis Robinson may have an intro book also.
I am sure you know this ... but there is a lot of variation within varietals. For example, California Chardonnays are very different from French ones. Same goes for French Burgundies vs Cal. Pinots vs. Oregon Pinots. The students may find it interesting to compare the same grape done in different parts of the world.
Finally, in terms of finding wines, one idea is to suggest your students go to a good wine store (you might give them suggestions about where to do) and the manager to suggest wines that are good examples of, say, California Cabernet, etc. The sales people in a good store will be familiar with their stock and will not steer them to something that is good, but different from a traditional wine. Plus, having them go into the store and ask for help may help make them less intimidated about wine stores. Just an idea.
re: Darren72
Darren72, this is a fantastic post!
re: mrspvr
I just have to chime in about "Great Wines Made Simple." It is the best beginner book that I have come across, and I still refer to it as a teaching tool whenever I have to do a wine seminar or lecture. Buy it. Whether or not you follow the tastings, you will be introduced to an approach that will serve you for the rest of your wine-loving life.
I just gotta speak out in favor of pink wine!
I'd downplay the White Zinfandel, but include some quality Rose' (aka "pink wine"), especially if your tasting is in the summer - hot weather, garlic, and dry crisp pink wine are made for each other.
The grapes used for White Zinfandel make a really wimpy wine, but a better grape results in a much nicer beverage. (Such as a pink wine from pinot noir, cabernet sauvignon, grenache/garnacha, mourvedre, or other type of grape.) You might even be able to convert the White Zin drinkers!
My favorite pink wines are from France or Spain, but there are some really good American pinkes available. And good pink wine is suprisingly affordable. The best ones I know (Domaine Tempier Bandol from France and the amazing Torbreck Rose from Australia) are about $20 a bottle. Tavel, another great French pink wine, is about $15. Most good pinkies are $10 or less (like the tasty and likeable Toad Hollow Eye of the Toad for about $8).
Weimax Wines has some starter info on pink wine:
And there's lots more information, albeit aimed at UK drinkers, at Drink Pink:
re: AnneInMpls
Leave out White Zin but don't forget Zinfandel. Go for one of the less powerful, more assessable fruity offerings.
Try the Ravenswood Sonoma. It is full of fruit and easy to drink.
Rosenblum makes some good ones as does Seghesio.
re: Wineman
Seghesio Zinfandel is my favorite Zin, and it's under $20 (they also make a $40 one that I haven't tried). So easy to drink, very much a crowd pleaser, and good with food or for chugging.
And Ravenswood always cracks me up with their slogan "No Wimpy Wine!" But I still like Seghesio better.
Here are my current inexpensive favorites:
Merlot - Bears Lair (California) - about $4 at Trader Joe's
Shiraz - Columbia Crest Two Vines - about $7
Malbec - Norton - regular about $8, reserve about $14
Chardonnay - Vendange - (had this on a Southwest flight recently, so couldn't be expensive)
Chardonnay - Bogle - about $8
Riesling - Chateau St. Jean - $10 to $15
Sauvignon Blanc - Monkey Bay - under $10
I see that you are in Texas and probably not within reach of a Trader Joe's. Other than the Bear's Lair, I've seen these in regular grocery stores or wine stores as well.
A few slightly more unusuals that a group of 20 somethings might not have tried yet. I was introduced to all of these within the last year, and have found that it's hard to find wines in these varietals. My best guess is that because these grapes aren't as popular and widespread, they haven't been mass produced to death. It's easy to find a horrible chardonnay or cabernet sauvignon, but I have yet to find a bad wine with the following names, even at under $20. These are the wines I tell my friends to get when they tell me they have no idea how to pick wine, because it's truly difficult to get a bad one.
Gruner Veltliner (a great wine for people who like gewurtztraminer, pinot grigio, or pinot gris)
Brachetto d'Acqui (light fizzy pink wine that blows lambrusco and rose out of the water, for me at least. They're what a little girl in ringlets and pink ribbons would drink, were little girls in ringlets and pink ribbons allowed to drink wine).
And you've forgotten the bubbly: was that intentional?
hello, you omitted one often overlooked grape which has a plethora of <$20 bottles that are good to very good, usually from S.France, Spain, or Australia, excellent with a wide range of food because of its characteristic acidity: grenache/garnacha. Any wine store worth your time will have several to choose from in this price range, many $12 or less--Las Rocas old vine garnacha comes to mind. Fonterutoli in Chianti has been owned by the Mazzei clan since the 15th century and their least expensive sangiovese,called Badiola, has stuffing beyond its price point--just had a 1997(don't expect to find a '97 in the store, but places like Bevmo will have plenty of a recent vintage) with plenty of life and fruit for a 9 yr. old $13 btl. For red wines, an intro can be just as well provided by blends, as many, many of the outstanding traditional wines are blends (merlot, for example, with cab. franc in St. Emilion, or with sangiovese in Tuscany or Umbria; chianti only recently was permitted to be 100% sangiovese; zinfandel thrived for years in field blends with petit syrah, mourvedre, alicante bouchet...whole is greater than the sum of parts could have been coined for wine. Traditional ports are always blends by the way) cheers
re: moto
I'll admit, I've not had much grenache and it totally escaped my mind! Will add that one to the list.
As far as blends go, with this tasting I'd really like to just introduce some basic categories and for the guests to be introduced to the different grapes. About half the guests are not regular wine drinkers (or at all). But if this party goes well, I will certainly be looking to do a second one that includes the traditional blends and perhaps also sparkling wines.
re: donnaaries
I have done these parties before and they are a great way to engage people into wine and demistify the often cryptic talk about the characteristics of wine. I think its a great idea that you keep it basic and use international (french) varietals. You should follow up with a focus on countries after and make regional choices. Like doing a French wine tasting and cover all the regions. You could even do a varietal tasting, like was posted above. For example do Pinot Noir (French, Calis several regions, Oregons several regions, NZ, etc) Its a great idea what youre doing and remember just keep it simple b/c the point is to engage people into wine, not confuse them. Dont focus on types of fruit in the tasting, keep it simple:
Fruit (simple: dark or ripe, bright; not berries and all that)
Oak (once again simple toasty or smooth, not vanilla tobacco)
re: cleveland park
You might note that most wines are blends. Bordeauxs and Chiantis are almost all blends. Most CA wines named by their variety have some other wines blended into them. It adds complexity which improves them.
re: BN1
>Very rarely a wine is 100% one variety, regulations in France, Spain and Italy state that as long as the wine is composed of 85% the variety stated on the bottle, they can claim just one grape and even say its 100% one variety<
Even assuming you're talking only about varietally labelled wines, can French, Spanish and Italian wine regulations really be summarized so succinctly? Is it an EU thing? While I'm perfectly willing to admit to holes in my knowledge of the subject, this is the first time I've heard of such a rule in the EU (as opposed to the US, where the figure is 75%). And if you're not talking about varietally labelled wine, I'm pretty sure you're wrong about the "very rarely" bit. Beaujolais and Gamay de Touraine can only be gamay. Cornas can only be syrah. Alsatian varietals have to be 100% whatever grape they're labelled as. All Barolo is wholly nebbiolo. If it's not 100% chenin blanc, it's not Vouvray. And so on. No?
re: cleveland park
Thanks for the advice! I will keep this in mind. Also ordering Immer's book mentioned above to get some ideas :)
re: cleveland park
I have to say that among a huge list of excellent advice you should follow the advice in this post (from cleveland park).
In my opinion, people who rarely drink wine or don't know anything (really) about it won't get much (or at the very least won't remember much at all) from a survey of a dozen different varietals from all over the world.
As above - keep it simple.
IMO the best way to get into wine is to develop a basic understanding of the basic (okay, most popular/easiest to find) grapes and then expand. I would strongly suggest limiting yourself to perhaps:
Sauv. Blanc
maybe Syrah/Shiraz or Zin or Sangiovese/Chianti
Most people have heard of these, most people will like them, most people will remember the basics, etc.
Further, I think it is much, much better to try 2-4 wines of each varietal - it is really the best way to understand the diffences between grapes (which is the point for the uninitiated) even if they are vastly different within the varietal. With this method you can still try a dozen different wines or more and get more out of it. To me having a French Chard, American Chard, New Zeland Sauv Blanc, French Sauc Blanc, and American Suav Blanc would be much, much more informative than a French Chard, American Sauv Blanc, Italian Pinot Gris, German Riesling, Austrian Gruner. Sure they might all be great and distinct, but would a newbie have any real feel for why that is so or what they liked about This one versus That one that is inherent to the grape (not that particular bottle)?
Additionally, these 5-6 varietals can be used as jumping off points to other grapes in future parties.
Also, I strongly suggest playing a round of blind taste guessing at the beginning and end of the whites and reds. See if people can separate the Sauv Blancs from the Chards before/after tasting/discussing. Blinding really forces you to listen to your palate in a way that cannot be learned any other way.
In any case - have a good time!
re: rotochicken
I think the list should be narrowed too. Perhaps cutting it in half and having 2 guests bring the same varietal but from different wineries might be a better strategy. In my wine tasting party experience, if there are too many wines people are too tipsy to care about the last couple bottles of wine. The other advice I can offer is that when you are researching the wines look for terms like "fruit forward", "ready to drink now", "melon tasting". You want wines that are easy on the palate. As for specific wines I like Shiraz's from Australia. Rosemont has one or too very affordable choices. If any of the RH Phillips wines can be had in your area, then I recommend them as well. They have two chards (I like the toasted head), merlot and a petite syrah. All would be good beginner wines. Remember to serve lots of water and have plenty of munchies to enjoy along with the wine.
re: rotochicken
I have to agree with what most of rotochicken said.
With your proposed tasting, you are "biting off more than you can chew" so to speak.
As Andrea Immmer suggests, it is much better to cover the major grape varietals in your first session and use that as a jumping off point.
White wines: Sauvignon Blanc, Riesling, Chardonnay.
Red Wines: Pinot Noir, Syrah/Shiraz, Cabernet Sauvignon
This way, you can illustrate and learn some of the major characteristics of wines.
Sauvignon Blanc-grassy/herbaceous vs. citrus, acidity
Riesling-mineral vs. petrol, sweetness
Chardonnay-oak vs. non-oaked, cold climate vs. hot
Pinot Noir-fruity/floral vs. meaty/"barnyard"
Syrah-Aussie vs. French, N.Rhone vs. S. Rhone, ripeness
Cabernet Sauvignon-oaky/fruity vs. vegetal/leafy
and so on...
You might also consider providing copies of the University of California at Davis "aroma wheel" to have as a reference as you all learn about the wonders of wine.
Remember, that you should also provide:
1. Paper & pens so your guests can take notes
2. Water jugs, cups and bread/crackers for palate cleansing
3. Spit buckets
4. A proper white tablecloth for wine color analysis
5. Good lighting (see above)
6. Wine glasses appropriate for tasting i.e. the IANO
7 oz glass
re: rotochicken
Now that I think it over, I do believe I will cut down the number of varietals on the list. Occasionally, I am guilty of visiting one too many wineries when my judgement is already fuzzy and bringing home bottles that later on I realize, "why did I buy this?"
So thank you for the advice! I do believe I was trying to bite off more than I can chew (or is that chow for this board?)
I've really gotten into Italian wines recently. Most are really inexpensive. Try...
Pinot Grigio-- I'd go with Alois Lageder (the Lageder Pinot Bianco is great too... one of my favorites, and runs about $12)
Moscato-- Saracco Moscato... a friend of mine recommended this to me after he saw an article in Giant magazine on the wine (I guess it's a favorite of Kanye West...if it's good enough for Kanye, it's good enough for me!)... and it is super delicious, and only $15
Chianti-- Try Badia a Coltibuono, the Chianti Classico, also only about $15... and the cool thing about Badia a Coltibuono's estate wines is that they're all organic
Most wine shops in my neighborhood carry these so you shouldn't have any problem finding them. Or I'm pretty sure if you do a search online for any of these wines, their websites should give you distribution info. In my opinion, all are definately worth the search!
re: winegirlap
Thank you! Will add these to the "recommended" list :)
A couple of recommendations:
Sauvignon Blanc: Oyster Bay, from New Zealand
Shiraz: Rosemount Estates, from Australia
If you'd like to offer an alternative suggestion to the White Zinfindel die hards, then perhaps begin by offering them so Reisling or Gwurtztraminer. It will have the residual sugar they're looking for and help ease them into wines with a little more balance and sophistication.
Pfaltz Reisling is usually a successful one for White Zin drinkers. The acidity on it is very dim.
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This is a great tip! I'm constantly on the look-out for wines sweet enough for my relatives to drink, but complex enough for me. I don't need a dry wine, but draw the line at those Arbor Mist fruit monstrosities (ewww!).
I'll try some good, semi-dry Riesling or Gewurtztraminer next time.
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Have them try Hugel Gentil, aromatic, delicious, inexpensive. If they find it too dry just drink it all yourself and you will be happy!
Skyhawk Lane and Waterstone are 2 that come to mind that make cabs and/or merlots in the $20-25 range. There's a weekly column in the Wall St Journal that could prove helpful, assuming there's an online archive. However, as the Skyhawk and Waterstone may not be available where you are, and same goes for many particular wines, really, the suggestion of going to a good local wine shop probably makes the most sense.
This is a great convo! I agree that there is a lot of diversity in each varietal depending on the region and terroir. One of the best wine tastings I've been to was an Old World (i.e. Europe) vs. New World (U.S., Australia, NZ, Chile). You can do one or two white varietals and then one or two red varietals and compare an Old World versus New World in each category.
Example (and keeping your budgetary constraints in mind):
Compare a French Sancerre with a NZ or Chilean Sauvignon Blanc
Compare a German Riesling (e.g. Schmitt-Sohne) with an American Riesling (e.g. Hogue)
Compare a French Syrah with an Australian Shiraz
The combinations are endless, and you can also just do different regions such as Australia vs New Zealand, Argentina vs. Chile. I know someone who did a World Cup-oriented tasting - imagine, French versus Italian wines or Italian versus German wines.
Cabernet Sauvignon: St. Michelle 2001
Riesling: Blue Fish
Pinot Grigio: Mezza Corona
Shiraz: Lindemans
Just to throw out a few:
Barrel 27 Syrah
J. Lohr Merlot (2002)
Verget has a $20 white burgundy.
Are you limited by geographic location? If so, see my first recommendation (US). If not, the second (world). Also, as I do not know the distribution/retail aspects of Texas, forgive me, if I throw out some that are not available.
1.) SB - Groth/Napa. Either Kim Crawford, Marlborough, NZ, or Mulderbosch, Stellenbosch, SA
2.) Chard - Au Bon Climat, Santa Barbara. Louis Latour Meursault, Burg., France
3.) PG - King Estate, WA. Sorry, have never had a worthwhile (to me, at least) PG elsewhere. The only two to ever make an impression were the King Estate and the King Estate Reserve.
4.) Cab - Joseph Phelps/Napa*
5.) Merlot - Joseph Phelps/Napa*
6.) Sangiovese/Chiante - Oh, tough one. I've got some domestics that are probably in your price range, but I doubt that any are often seen outside of Amador. I opt for Shafer Firebreak (actually blended), but I think it's in the US$35/btl range, if you can find it. Gabbiano Chianti Riserva, IT.
7.) Syrah - Voss/Napa, or Joseph Phelps/Napa. D'arenberg Dead Arm, McLaren Vale, OZ (I think it's just at your price-point). A great counter-point would be an E. Guigal Croze-Hermitage, but might be above US$25/btl.
8.) Pinot Noir - Acacia, Central Coast. Don't know my NZ Pns and red Burgs in that price-range are not good candidates.
9.) Riesling - Ch. Ste. Michele Dr Loosen. Too many Spätlesen Rieslings to name, but J.J. Prum would be a good starting point.
10.) Gewürztraminer - Don't know a good domestic producer. Any lower-end Zind-Humbrect Alsace, FR (I'd stay away from Trimbach, personally)
11.) White Zin - Don't know a good domestic producer. Throw them a little curve and choose a Tavel Rosé, Rhône (Southern), FR. Also, you MUST throw in a "red" Zinfandel. Almost anything from Rosenblum, or Ridge, within your budget will work nicely.
12.) Muscat - Bonny Doon Vin d' Glacier Muscat Canelli (sweet). Muscat de Beaumes-de-Venise (sweet), any that you can find. I've not found a really good dry Muscat/Muscatto, but they are probably out there.
13.) Port - Whoa, the choices are endless. I'd spring for both a Tawny (maybe the Cockburns 20 year to keep the cost down), then a Taylor-Fladgate, or Fonseca, LBV. You should be able to keep one of these close to the price-point). For domestic port-style wines, I like the Beringer Cab port, but you may have problems finding it.
* You might want to throw in a Meritage wine (not necessarily a true trademarked Meritage, but a Bdx. blend). This would allow you to add a Bdx. Cru-Bourgeois, or the excellent Glen Carlou Grand Classique, Paarl, SA.
One last thought: Andrea Immer Robinson (was just Immer, when the book was published) has "Great Wine Made Simple," ISBN 0-7679-0477-X, has a lot of suggestions for comparison tastings. She breaks many of these down into price categories. While the book is a few years old, many of her suggestions are probably still valid - prices may be up, but you'll get a rough idea. Uh, just saw this mentioned above, so I am going to "second" that opinion.
Sorry for my tardiness,
You have received some great recs so far, I think. I started something like this tasting group with some friends, and would make a couple other suggestions:
- Be VERY careful about inviting 'experienced' wine-O's to join the group. While they give very good advice for tasting and describing wines to people, they often develop biases to one varietal/region/country or another and limit the discovery phase for aspiring wine-O's.
- Pay attention to the advice you have received to limit the number of varietals per tasting, offering more choice w/in a varietal. This also allows you to set up multiple parties, rahter than one big blowout that no one remembers much of besides the headache. Everyone likes more parties.
- You might want to think about focusing more on up-and-coming or obscure places of the world than the established places/varietals. People can access a plethora of information on California cab/chard/SB/etc and French classification/terroir/rules/blah blah blah blah.....The info available about Chilean or South African wines often force new wine-o's to talk about wine and develop a relationship with their local wine supplier(and switch suppliers if they suddenly realize they were usually recommended whatever wine the supplier wanted to get rid of, which has happened VERY frequently with my friends, sadly). People in their twenties have to be much more cognizant of this than older people.
I have written down a list of wines from the above replies, and thank everyone for their recommendations. Some that might be added to above:
Wolf Blass Chard and Madfish Bay Chard from Australia give a contrast to the oaked style of California.
The Crios line from Argentina would fit nicely in your tasting.
Glen Carlou was a great rec(thought I saw this above)
Seghesio Zin has been consistently good for the last few years
Kaesler from Australia has not been mentioned. It is at the top of the $25 range, but I can find it on sale in Co for ~$21 for the Stonehorse Shiraz.
The Kim Crawford SB is one of my favorites. If you have a chance to serve food, pair this with scallops sauteed in butter and you'll have some lifelong SB lovers.
Have fun
ps- wine-O is a term I use to describe anyone whose enthusiasm for wine goes beyond 'give me a chardonnay' but whose knowledge falls short of a sommelier. I fall into this group, and it's not meant to be derogatory.
For Port - I particularly love the Yalumba Valley (Aust.) Antique Tawny ~ great vanilla & caramel flavors with nice spice & berry hints -- it's a nice bargain too... 12.99 for a half-bottle. (Too bad my local Cost Plus stopped carrying this particular one.)
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I would recommend a Benton Lane Pinoit Noir, which should be about or just under $20. I'd also look for a Spanish Tempranillo, a grape which I find to make very agreeable wines, not necessarily the tastiest ones, but usuaully enjoyable, and come for under $10. Boony Doon makes wine from a Syrah and also has made some different blushes (pink wines).
One thing not on your list often are dessert wines, such as muscats, icewines, etc. I know icewine is not easy to find at your price point.
LATimes did a nice piece on good wines that hit the "$10 Sweet Spot" (of course, it is Los Angeles-centric and may not be available in your neck of the woods, though possibly online ~ conversely, there may be other great $10s that were not available in LA area and thus, didn't get mentioned in the article). I'm definitely planning to give some of those a try:
Weblink: http://www.latimes.com/features/food/...
Also, I just opened my Rosemount Estate (Aussie) Cabernet/Shiraz blend, quite yummy and drinkable--rich berries with touches of spice, vanilla and chocolate. 7.99 at Cost Plus World Market.
Any intro course to wine that wants to give participants an experience with versatile wines of value should really include some old vines Beaujolais. There are many good examples around - they are delicious, inexpensive, and go with anything.
All Latin American. Not a dog on the list prices between $8.99 & $15.00 a few @ $20
White Wine
100. Chardonnay, Finca Sophenia Altosur, Argentina
101. Chardonnay, Funky Llama, Argentina
105. Chardonnay, Miolo Reserva, Braszil
110. Chardonnay, Morande Grand Reserve, Chile
115. Chardonnay, Gran Araucano, Argentina
120. Sauvignon Blanc, Morande, Chile
121. Sauvignon Blanc, Los Vascos/Lafite Rothchild, Chile 122. Sauvignon Blanc, Gran Araucano, Chile
130. Pino Gris Lurton, Argentina
140. Muscat, Terran Va, Miolo, Brazil
141. Torrentes, Lotango, Argentina
142. Viognier, Don Pasual Reserva, Uruguay
145. Johannisberg Riesling, Luigi Bosca, Argentina 5
160. Gewurztraminer/Chardonnay,
Vinedo De los Vientos, Uruguay
Sparkling Wine
180. Montchenot, Bodegas López, Argentina
181. Gruet Methode Champenoise, NV, New Mexico
182. Gruet Methode Champenoise, NV
Red Wine
200. Merlot, Finca Sophenia Altosur, Argentina
201. Merlot, Santa Ema Reserve, Argentina
202. Merlot, Miolo Reserva, Brazil
203. Merlot, Luigi Bosca Reserva, Argentina
205. Merlot, Morande Grand Reserve, Chile
221. Cabernet Sauvignon, Terra Rosa, Chile
223. Cabernet Sauvignon, Santa Rita, Chile
224. Cabernet Sauvignon, Finca Sophenia, Argentina
225. Cabernet Sauvignon, Los Vascos/LafiteRothchild Reserva, Chile
226. Cabernet Sauvignon, Cocodrilo by Paul Hobbs, Argentina
240. Malbec, Altos Las Hormigas, Argentina
241. Malbec, Lurton Reserve, Argentina
242. Malbec, Antonio Nerviani Reserve, Argentina
243. Malbec, El Feline by Paul Hobbs, Argentina
244. Malbec, Morande Limited Edition, Chile
250. Pinot Noir, Don Pascual Reserva, Uruguay
251. Pinot Noir, Luigi Busca Reserva, Argentina
252. Pinot Noir, Alsino Reserva, Argentina
260. Syrah, Mayol, Argentina
261. Syrah, Alsino Reserva, Argentina
262. Syrah, Morande Grand Reserve, Chile
270. Carmenere, Casillero del Diablo X, Concha y Toro, Chile
271. Carmenere, Morande Reserve, Chile
280. Bonarda, Lurton, Argentina
281. Bonarda, Chakana, Argentina
290. Tannat, Vinedo De los Vientos, Uruguay
295. Sangiovese, San Felipe, Argentina
349. Trumpeter, Malbec/Syrah, Bodega La Rural, Argentina
350. Don Nicanor, Cab/Malbec/Merlot, Niento Senetiner, Argent
351. Meritage,Cab/Malbec, Antonio Nerviani Reserve, Agentina
352. Crios, Syrah/Bonarda, Dominio del Plata, Argentina
353. Patriota, Bonarda/Malbec, Tikal, Argentina
354. Eolo, Tannat/Ruby Cab, Vinedo De los Vientos, Uruguay
355. Privada, Malbec/Cab/Merlot, Bodega Norton, Argentina
Being from the Houston area, I have to give a plug to some Texas wines. Some are very good.
Haak Winery in Sante Fe, Texas makes a good Blanc du Bois (a little sweeter like a riesling). I believe it's under $20
Llano in Lubbock puts out a fabulous Gewurztraminer under $10 and a good Table White
Messina Hof in Bryan has a good Johannesburg Riesling also under $10. They also have 2 great ports but both are around $40/bottle - Tawny Port and the Paulo Port. They also have a nice Ivory Port for under $20 which is good with chocolate or vanilla desserts.
There's also Circle S Vineyard in Sugarland. Some of their reserve reds are fabulous but closer to $30/bottle. I recently uncorked a 2003 Cabernet Sauvignon after it aged on my wine rack for 2 years . . . yum!
Bell Mountain in the Fredericksburg area has a nice riesling for under $10
Also in the Fredericksburg area, Fall Creek makes a great Moscato d'Asti.
I saw that someone else had recommended the Nivoli (Italy) moscato. It's awesome!
Spec's recommended a really good (cheap) cabernet sauvignon (Australian) - Wynn's Coonarwarra Estate and it's under $10. They are a great resource for wines. I've never been disappointed in anything they've recommended to me!
Also as an aside, if you trying to get more "into" wine, try attending some wine dinners (Americas has a great one every month) or attend the Houston Grand Food and Wine Affair in Sugarland. They have a Sip 'N Stroll at the end of April. You pay roughly $50 for the entry fee and you get to try all the wine and food you can stuff in. Great fun and I found some really good wines that way.
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Though not officially confirmed, Thiago himself made mention of the match-up in an interview with TATAME where the 14-4 finisher said, Hes a tough guy with many skills. Hes tall, is great at Judo, (and) has good takedowns. Hes a complete fighter.
Kim holds an overall record of 15-2-1 with past wins against Matt Brown, Amir Sadollah, and Nate Diaz. The South Korean star was last seen suffering a TKO stoppage due to a freak injury earlier this month.
No headliner has been attached to the November 10 show though the UFC has spoken openly of an attempt to put a fight together featuring Rich Franklin-Cung Le.
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HP has rolled out its Spring 2011 Consumer PC collection in the States. The key machines: a revamped Mini 210 netbook and new Pavilion dv4 and Envy 14 notebooks. HP Envy 14 HP Envy 14 The Envy 14 gets Intel's second-generation Core i processors - the Sandy Bridge platform - plus USB 3.0 and CoolSense, HP's name for a dynamic …
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I think I'll pass. Envy? Nah. Mini looks "ok" though.
Nice bits inside tho'. Look forward to hearing performance numbers.
30th birthday
Do you think HP will be kind enough to give me, a loyal customer (true story) one for my 30th birthday which happens to be on the 18th of May?
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Re:Good luck (208 comments)
I would think 20 XEONs for 3 months should get close (or at least used to), but these machines are optimized to move packets, not number crunching...
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Re:Good luck (208 comments)
I would think 20 XEONs for 3 months should get close (or at least used to), but these machines are optimized to move packets, not number crunching...
Re:Bitcoin mining? (208 comments)
Yeah, probably the most sensible thing to do considering the short time frame.
you said features? (291 comments)
I think part of the problem is that marketing types decide that they need a certain type of phone to get people in the store, in order to try and upsell them on a more expensive product with better margins (or one that will suck up data faster so that you have to upgrade to a more expensive plan).
The "feature" phone (in that case, a phone with hardware keyboard which is a real oddity nowadays) is not intended to make any money for the company by itself and nobody really gives a damn if it's even working, to be honest.
They are perfectly aware of it and if you bring it back to the store a few days later because you have found out how much it actually sucked, they will be extremely glad to exchange it for a higher priced model.
On the other hand, the issue is compounded by the fact that most Android phones are hacked by the phone service provider. They are not content to let you have the Google Android experience, they have to "differentiate" themselves from the others, and too often that means adding ill-conceived, substandard, undertested apps that ruins the experience.
In that case, Google may not be entirely clean as I am not sure if Android is even supposed to support a hardware keyboard. I have used several Bluetooth keyboards on my Nexus 7 and they do not all work the same.
Re:It's already going on... (353 comments)
The key is that the insurance company has no incentive to reduce your premium, their only incentive is to increase the total sum they get from premiums as much as they can.
Therefore eventually these devices will not be used to help good drivers, simply to penalize bad ones, not quite the same thing.
why not use heroin? (1198 comments)
Seems like a lot of people die from heroin overdose that is self injected. It can't be that painful if people do that to themselves. Why not use heroin overdose for lethal injections?
Re:Where is Apple? (101 comments)
Replying to my own question, found out the iTune store uses WebObjects, a NexT technology that is not open source.
Re:Where is Apple? (101 comments)
This group is not intended to only address OpenSSL. I would be surprised if Apple did not have ANY open source software in their products.
Mac OSX is (was?) based on the Mach microkernel for instance.
How about the iTune store, does it use open source software?
Where is Apple? (101 comments)
Oh wait, they can't afford it, it's not in their budget...
boo-oo (163 comments)
Let's summarize: Oracle took money to perform a job. They disagreed with the way it was handled. Nevertheless they stayed in and kept collecting money. Now they say they had noting to do with it?
Re:Free, less buggy, more usable, what's not to li (285 comments)
"so its less buggy than an over decade old product?"
What a moron!
Read the post. My use of the past tense should have been a clue that it happened in the past and mentioning it was used by corporate edict should have been a clue that MS Word was in its support period, i.e. current. For completeness, that happened in the fall of 2004, but you probably don't care. You are probably now going to object that MS Word being so "young", how could I expect it to not be buggy? I probably should have waited a few more years before they had the bugs worked out?
Now, regardless of when that happened I would expect a piece of software that cost several 100 dollars to be better able to handle it's own f***g proprietary file format than a freebee that had to reverse engineer it, regardless how long it has been since you bought it.
Free, less buggy, more usable, what's not to like? (285 comments)
I remember working on a document in Word 2003 with several large tables. Periodically, Word 2003 (which I had to use by corporate edict) would crash while working on one particularly large table, and would be unable to reload the document. I found out that loading the document in OpenOffice and saving it back immediately fixed whatever problem Word was having and I could work in Word for a while longer. I ended up having to do that every few days until I was done with the document.
Re:So much speculation... (148 comments)
"So much speculation from people who do not appear to have even read the article."
I find that the impact of my arguments suffer when I try to base them on facts. It is so much more fun to shoot from the hip while looking in another direction.
Re: And in other news... (506 comments)
It seems you are correct, I came across this (PBS web site):
"Under current law, only applicants for U.S. citizenship, not those applying for green cards, must prove English proficiency."
Maybe I was confused. I was pretty certain that I had to pass a proficiency test when I applied for a green card 25 years ago, but maybe it was for the citizenship, or maybe the law changed since then, or maybe it was just a policy of the US Immigration Services at the time.
Apparently English proficiency was a provision to the ill-fated immigration reform bill that was put together by a bi-partisan group last year. In my opinion, that would be a good thing. US born kids have to go to school (or be home-schooled) and therefore have to possess at least a minimum of English proficiency by the time they turn 18 (I will readily admit that in some cases it is really minimum.) I see little reason for not asking the same from immigrants.
Re: And in other news... (506 comments)
"a condition for being a citizen of the USA is that you have to speak the language" was what I said, not what I meant
I meant: "a condition for becoming a permanent resident or a citizen (by naturalization) is that you speak the language". That is part of the regulations that used to be applied by the INS. I suppose the courts probably can decide to make you a citizen without the involvement of the INS, but that is not to my point. The majority of immigrants have to go through the INS.
Thank you for catching this. The rest of your post is informative (thank you, I did not know:), but only tangentially to my point.
It is only one of the differences naturalized Americans have compared to naturally born Americans.
Re: And in other news... (506 comments)
I do not want to force anybody to do anything they do not want to do, but a condition for being a citizen of the USA is that you have to speak the language. It actually is the law, if that means anything. Candidates do not have to promise to never speak their native language, but they have to show that they are sufficiently proficient in English to be able to conduct business as a permanent resident or citizen, and I happen to think that it is a good law. You make your choice, if you do not want to do that, nobody is forcing you to come live here. At least that was the case when I got my green card (and later my citizenship) over 20 years ago. The interview was conducted in English, and if you could not answer the questions in English, you simply did not get a green card.
Therefore I do not understand why those who want to become citizen (or green card holders) simply do not just do that and we let them. I actually know a lot of people who have a green card yet would fail the test I had to go through 20 years ago. I also do not agree that the government should spend taxpayer's money to develop government paperwork (intended for citizens and permanent residents) in languages other than English. Just like you have no expectation of privacy when you use electronic means to communicate, you should have no expectation that the government will develop tools and procedures in languages other than English when these tools are intended for residents and citizen.
If the laws on the books had been reasonably enforced, and if a majority of immigrants had shown a minimum amount of respect for the country that gave them a place to live, we would not have gotten in a situation where 50%+ of the population in an area *only* speaks a language other than English in the first place. Again, I have no beef with people speaking a language other than English, even conducting business in it, I have a problem when I find myself in an area of the USA where *nobody* (or a small fraction) speaks English and I cannot conduct business (or ask for directions) in English. I realize I start to sound like a Republican and that makes me uncomfortable...
I am an immigrant myself, but I would not have considered coming to the USA (or any other country) without having first a basic proficiency in English (or the local language) and improving it once here. I certainly would not have expected (or demanded) that the government generates instructions and forms in any language other than English, or provide a translator. I made it a point to be proficient in English and I would not have come if I had not been able to achieve that. I observe that for those who may not know English before coming here, the local college provides very inexpensive classes for "English as a Second Language" and that many people do take advantage of those, so even if you end up in the US under duress and do not speak English, there is no reason for not learning English once you are here.
I deplore that obviously many do not have such standards or do not take advantage of these classes, but I am not sure we can fix it at this point.
The issue with the banks or hospitals is different since no taxpayer money is involved. The issue is not that they cater to their foreign customers, what bothers me is that they do not even say "for Spanish, press 9" in English. How hard can it be for a Spanish speaking customer of a US bank to recognize the sound of "for Spanish, press 9"? This one is more of a gripe than anything, but it is the most apparent and one that I find offensive because of the pervasiveness of it where I live (north-west Florida, even though the Spanish fraction of the local population is much smaller here than in the rest of the state). I understand in other parts of the country it may be different. That is a personal thing I suppose.
Re: And in other news... (506 comments)
Well, of course I agree with you, and not just because I am of foreign origin. I do appreciate the value of cultural blending as I am participating in it myself, voluntarily or not
It still pisses me off when I call the bank though !
I also believe that in the long run, these groups have to integrate somewhat into their host country, and that means losing at least some of their culture while assimilating the local culture, otherwise what would it mean to live in a particular country? Individual countries would have little identification for themselves.
Maybe that is just the way it is going. I reserve the right to decide later if it is good or bad
Re: And in other news... (506 comments)
I tend to agree with you, but it is to a large extent a chicken and egg thing.
If people are not somehow gently pushed to learn English by speaking it, they have little incentive to do so, and you have these enclaves of foreign-speaking residents who develop a society of their own separate from the rest of the country. Overall, society pays the cost of having to support business (private and government) in more than one language. It does not provide value, except to facilitate tourism and immigration, which I agree may actually be valuable in other regards.
If people were obligated to at least do formal interface with the government in English, they would be more likely to conduct other business in English too, and we would all benefit (me, who does not speak Spanish, could do business with that fraction of the country which currently only does business in Spanish for instance.)
What offends me the most about the calls to the bank is that Spanish is the primary language you hear. I am not offended that they are actually able (and find it profitable) to conduct business in Spanish, it is that Spanish is the first language you hear when you call.
If people are invested enough in this country that they have to have a local bank account, they should be able to understand at least enough English to know that pressing 9 during the first few seconds will get them a Spanish menu without having to be told, in Spanish.
Re: And in other news... (506 comments)
As an immigrant who started learning English in school, I have no objection to anyone using the language of their choice for whatever private purpose they want to. However, I have an issue with the government (local, state or federal) spending taxpayer's money to make government services available in languages other than English. It seems to be common courtesy that if you want to move in and live in a country, you learn the local language as a courtesy to the locals you are invading as a mark of respect.
Similarly, I am very offended when I call a bank or any other local business and the first thin I am asked is if I speak Spanish, to press '9'.
Now, I also recognize that "speaking English" is not a strict definition. Many natives don't do that very well.
What problems are you trying to fix? (2219 comments)
I think it would help the users understand the redesign if it's purpose was more clearly stated.
You say you want to make the site "more accessible and shareable by a wider audience". In what way is the current site ineffective in this regard?
The only serious issue I ever had with the current site was nullified when the mobile version came out. I found it quite satisfactory, so much so that the slashdot reader apps I had installed on my phone stopped being used immediately.
I noticed a significant change in the look and feel in the beta site, leading to a considerable loss of usability for those who were used to the current style (aside from the specific usability issues of the new code base). Certainly there has to be a purpose to inflict so much aggravation on your current users. When Microsoft does that, the purpose is clear: they want to make the old programs not work so well with the new OS so that you buy the new programs, but for Slashdot, there is no such incentive, so I wonder what is the reason. If the under;ying code is causing you problem, you do not need to change the look and feel in order to change the underlying code.
If the reason is that "the site has not been redesigned in xxx years", that is absolutely the wrong reason, particularly when your target audience is a group of people which I believe is generally more interested in efficiency (as in "look follows function") than looks alone.
I may be wrong...
Re:Android security (137 comments)
On my Android phone (Moto Droid Razr), the flash storage is not accessible via USB until I unlock the phone. Of course, the SD card could be removed, but most applications store to the internal flash by default, so there is at least a moderate level of protection against that kind of attack on Android.


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Do you believe in second chances, or sometimes even third chances?
Some say ex-offenders go back to what they know, such as their old friends, drug addictions and easy ways of making money. Sometimes there's no support system or family waiting for them when they get out of prison or jail.
For example, when Dayshawn Brown of South Bend was released from prison, he came straight to the Dismas House in South Bend. It's a half-way house for ex-offenders. He had no place and no family to turn to when he was dropped off in South Bend after leaving prison.
"It was kind of hard," Brown admits. "I really didn't know at first where I was going to go because, while in Westville, my case manager never contacted Maria (the Dismas House director) to see if I would be accepted or not."
Now six months later he's getting a college degree online and helping out around the house, trying to turn his life around after mistakes in the past.
"A total of four years, two times for each," he explains, about the time he served.
The first time he was in prison was in Michigan City for resisting law enforcement, and the second time, two years later, he was incarcerated for receiving stolen property.
He recalls the second time he was sentenced. His family members told him there was a warrant out for his arrest. "My mom called and was like, 'What did you do this time?' I was like, nothing, I'm at home."
Within two years, he recidivated.
In Indiana, the definition for recidivism is when an offender returns to incarceration within three years of their release to a state correctional institution.
The definition applies to Dismas House resident Carrie Lawson too.
"This was my third time being in prison," she explains. "It was the same charge, but I violated probation and parole, which is dealing cocaine, a class A felony."
Only five weeks out, Lawson is fighting a cocaine addiction, but she's doing things she never thought she could. "Just me… working alone helps me believe in myself. I never thought I would work 7:30 to 4:00 for $7.25 a day."
She's designing jewelry through a program set up to raise money for the House.
"I never knew I was so good with crafts until I had to actually sit down and do Dismas Designs," she says.
Dismas House Executive Director Maria Kaczmarek says, "I feel the role of the staff here is to be coaches, to build them up and say 'Yes you can.'"
Designing jewelry and working full-time keeps Carrie away from her old habits.
"Before I knew it I was back to my old ways again. I would have to say that for the second time too," she recalls looking back on why she recidivated. "It's a lot easier than living a responsible life, going to work every day. As soon as I had a downfall or something would go wrong, I resorted back to that."
It seems that's the house's key to success: structure.
"They have to learn to make those decisions that will keep them from going back to prison, and it's so easy to fall into old habits," Kaczmarek acknowledges.
One big difference for house residents is meal time. Everyone is required to sit down for dinner together as a family.
"I had structure in prison, but here you have a little bit more freedom, but you have to do certain things," Brown explains.
Lawson agrees. "Just the rules, period. Just having responsibility."
It's a place where people can turn for a second or third chance after everyone else has given up.
"My mom believes in second chances, but my dad doesn't," says Lawson. She says she'll have to learn to believe in herself if others don't.
Meanwhile, Brown strongly believes he won't be going back to prison. "That's old news, this is a new beginning for me. I'm starting a new life to better myself and the people I have around me."
Dismas House can only fit 16 people at a time.
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- Cath said...
I really do like your quilt, Charming Stars.....the colours really work well. also like "the shirt off his back"
Cath :)
- 1 January 2012 01:08
- Andrea said...
Happy New Year Lou - lets see what we can cook up next year eh ? xxx
- 1 January 2012 02:46
- AnnieO said...
Happy New Year to you, Lou! Glad you had some finishes to show and plenty of planned playtime for 2012. Love the feet growing out of the Shirt quilt...are they getting bigger and bigger all the time?
- 1 January 2012 05:33
- Diane-crewe said...
they are lovely quilts..dont appologise ANY finishes are worth while xx
- 1 January 2012 07:17
- Lynda said...
Like you, I can't believe all the sewing I've done has resulted in so few finishes! Mind you the pile of tops in the cupboard rather gives it away for me! Good quilting in 2012, and we'll see if we can meet up for a coffee at the NEC this year.
- 1 January 2012 09:25
- Cardygirl said...
Your quilts are lovely...and you achieved lots of knitting too...and had a busy life. Happy New Year!
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- Ali Honey said...
All the Best to you and the Kiwi for 2012. Yes, lots of time to sew and play would be just right.
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This site has really sunk to an all time low, some people need to grow up
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Mar 07
Posts: 3243
weasel64 says:
and do you REALLY think the police would be bothered about a ' small motorcycle ' forum , no real serious accusations have been thrown , if it's ' defamation ' by means of trolling your going to need to be a famous person before anyone would take it seriously , & the fact remains kamchat is a cock end , he is fat & he is boring , but about the other i dunno ??? , but like they say " there's no smoke without fire " , & i read that post fuzz .. i wouldnt be worried in the slightest so keep taking screenshots , your just wasting space on your memory card
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Jul 08
Posts: 930
Rugbyman says:
but that's the whole point weasel. Defamation isn't a criminal offence. It's a tort, a civil wrong, and as such can be pursued by the injured party if they can prove that any harm was done to their reputation.
first, the person must prove that the statement was false. Second, the person must prove that the statement caused harm. Third, the person must prove that the statement was made without adequate research into the truthfulness of the statement. These steps are for an ordinary citizen .
this is the us version ..
the list of defense's against defamation / libel / slander is huge with the onus on the person making the claim ..
like i said , on a selective forum ie; this one i would doubt very much the authority's would bother
Mar 12
Posts: 1286
KrismusSikpunz says:
Defamation against one of a multitude of a cocks imaginary names.
Mind, he could bring his little band of bag-heads as witness.
But as amatuer lawyers they would be better litter pickers, stick with the day job guys.
Aug 05
Posts: 7611
babyblade41 says:
cock sure about police not bothering, you'll get too cocky at some point and it's game over.
The problem they will seek out is the operators of the site who are supposed to have moderators in place.
It's not a little motorbike forum either, it's a big one with advertisers.
Maybe it's time to target the advertisers with who and what they're products are linked too
Go for it, mebbe get it closed down, you clown.
This is a little forum, dominated by a self obsessed fool with a half dozen druggie followers.
Posts: 3215
Boult says:
which means the burden of proof is lower. "balance of probabilities" is the phrase you'll need.
Mere vulgar abuse is an insult that is not necessarily defamatory because it is not intended to be taken literally or believed, or likely to cause real damage to a reputation.
& there your honour is the defences case , now prove intent ???? , fookin hard one to prove in ANY court of law
Yep, totally unbiased
Sep 07
Posts: 2877
James600zx says:
It's not "mere vulgar abuse" though, is it. You've accused someone of committing a particularly heinous crime. The fact that you can't tell the difference and that you appear to find accusations of child abuse amusing should worry everyone, including your families.
Innocent until proven guilty, so they say. Unless you have evidence (and you clearly don't) you'd be wise to shut up.
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