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Cheap and kid friendly in downtown Boston?!?
- sunshinedrop Sep 4, 2006 09:44 PM
We are planning a trip to Boston. My husband will be in a conference all day for four days and I will be downtown by myself with a 4 month old and a 20 month old. Can some of you locals give me recommendations for cheap places for lunch that are kid friendly (and that I can take a stroller)? They can be any cuisine-my 20 month old loves wasabi...go figure. If they are in walking distance of the Boston Public Library or the museum of science, that is best.
Also if you have any ideas for places around there to eat for dinner where I would also be able to take a stroller, I would appreciate suggestions!
Well, off the top of my head, I think lunch at Jasper White's Summer Shack would be great (and considerably cheaper than dinner). It's a funky, fun space, and while you eat Jasper's famous lobster and/or seafood dishes, the kids can wolf down corn dogs, burgers or cheddar cheese sandwiches. And I'm sure the staff would be happy to give your kid a side of wasabi. :)
The Boston Summer Shack is a short, pleasant stroll from the Public Library (it's across from the Sheraton Hotel in the Back Bay). Here's the website:
re: Gabatta
Maybe the alewife restaurant but the boston restaurant is full service. Also, it very kid friendly table clothes are rolls of giant paper which kids can color all over and cooks are more than willing to keep children busy by showing them the lobsters.
re: mkel34
No the Alewife location is full service too.
How about Parish Cafe on Boylston about 3 blocks down from the Public Library? Among other things (soups, salads, bar food), they have a selection of about a dozen "gourmet" sandwiches created by the chefs at various local restaurants. It might be a fun, multitasking way to sample "their" food - or at least get an idea of it - over lunch with your children. In nice weather they have a fenced-off patio area on the sidewalk and they also have a ramp indoors. It can be busy and the place isn't huge, but tables seem to turn pretty fast.
There's really nothing within walking distance of the Mus. of Science. Solas (sp) pub in the Lenox Hotel would be casual enough for kids I think, close to the libary. There's a Thai retaurant across the street, not sure how good it is. Prairie Star Mexican on Dartmouth St. could accommodate strollers, gets mixed reviews. They have a restaurant across the street that has a more interesting menu and Clery's down the street is basic pub food and quiet during the day. There's a Legal Seafood in the Copley Place Mall behind the library. Also O'Sushi is in there and quiet during the day.
re: Joanie
Depending on the weather J Pace and Son at Charles River Park is walking distance from the Science Museum and has tables outside which would be stroller friendly. It is mostly takeout and a bit pricey, but has a wide variety of italian and deli style options. Hot dishes vary daily and I seem to recall pizza. Ask folks at the museum to orient you. Walk from Museum toward Storrow Drive, cross Storrow at the lights and go straight. You will see a complex with apartments on your right, enter the garage and walk straight back. You might be able to see the red awning of J Pace there or ask the parking lot attendant to orient you. You would need to cover much of this distance to get to the Green Line station (Science Park) anyway.
The mall (Cambridgeside Galeria) is probably a little bit further and not entirely chowish, but is stroller friendly and has a shuttle back to the red line. Some nice outdoor seating by the food court. 2nd Street Cafe is nearby and popular, but avoid the lunch rush as that would not be stroller friendly. Upscale sandwiches and wraps.
Off the beaten path....
If you want to be adventuresome and do not mind a 10-15 minute bus ride you should head over to Jamaica Plain (JP). I forget the number bus, but it stops in front of the Copley Place Mall across the street from the train station or across the street from the large hotel in Copley. JP is a haven for children and families. Breakfast: Sorella on Centre Ave/Street. Across the street for lunch and dinner is Milky Way. Centre is a mecca for foodies, especially if you are interested in trying something new like Cuban or Salvadoran food. After breakfast if you have time head four blocks to park. The largest mass of the "Emerald necklace" is in JP. I am sorry I do not remember the name of the bus, but it has been awhile since I was a student in Boston and took the bus. When I go back to visit Boston, I have the convenience of a car now.
Also on Columbus Avenue near the library are come amazing places to eat and are all welcoming to children.
re: Hvchin
The bus is the 39 but she doesn't want to lug a stroller on the bus, and go to Sorella's which is kind of small for a stroller if it's crowded at all. JP has interesting stuff but it's probably more of a pain to deal with two kids under 2 years old than you need.
re: Joanie
The staircase at the Milky Way isn't really stroller-friendly either.
I have always found the Bristol Lounge, at the Four Seasons Hotel, to be a great place with kids. The tables are well spaced; you can eat sitting on the sofas and lounge chairs, if that will be more comfortable for the kids (kids seem to do better sitting on a sofa than at a normal dining table); and, since it's in a hotel, they are very used to accommodating families, even though it's a more upscale place. Plus the food is great.
I hear you...I have three boys age 4 and under. Let's see:
Summer Shack is a good choice.
Joe's American Bar off Newbury St.
In or around Prudential Ctr there is Cheesecake Factory, California Pizza Kitchen, and Dick's Last Resort.
In Copley Mall, there is a Chili's.
McCormick and Shmick in Park Plaza Bldg.
There used to be a Friday's on Newbury St but that has closed.
I'm not advocating the food at any of these places, we all know what they're about. Just providing a list that may or may not be useful.
Near the Museum of Science, you could look for Ann's (middle eastern) on Cambridge St in Beacon Hill. Solid food and mellow.
re: adams_jo
I second Dick's Last Resort. My kids love it there and they have the best chicken fingers.
Maybe Cafe Jaffa on Gloucester St? It's inexpensive and pretty tasty middle eastern. I don't recall any stairs, but the tables are close together (i.e., you might want to fold up your stroller once you go in) and I've never seen it too crowded during the day.
Would Chinatown be too far to walk? Lots of great places to eat (the larger ones could accommodate a stroller, though not Taiwan Cafe, alas), low prices, very kid friendly.


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Why do foodies like the McD's Filet o' Fish?
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- SebastianRedSox Aug 4, 2010 03:42 PM
I've noticed a strange amount of foodies like/love/tolerate the Filet o' Fish? I even include myself.
What's up with this? Is just the most viable McD's option?
Just curious.
Well.. Not just foodies, but EVERYONE. It's hard to find someone who doesn't love a filet o' fish.
re: mstinawu
you just found someone who doesn't like the filet o' fish: me.
the mojara frita (sp?) at mariscos chente on imperial when sergio is cooking is the fried fish that i love.
that said, i could be content with rubber bands for dinner if they were covered with enough ketchup.
re: mstinawu
Count me in the group that doesn't love it as well, in fact I hate them. But I'm not a huge fried seafood sandwich type of person.
Now that's not saying I don;t like a quarter pounder with cheese. What's wrong with liking something that isn't considered foodie?
re: mstinawu
I'm not a filet o' fish fan either. Perhaps we should start a club?
re: mstinawu
I've never had one. Always ate the burger/nuggets as a kid. Never the fish. Meh. I love fish, even the deep fried kind. I HATE McDs though. Haven't eaten at that place in almost 10years. But, if we are ever stranded and that's the only viable option, I'll try the filet-o-fish just because of this thread ;)
re: livetocook
I always impressed people as a toddler because I could eat a whole filet o' fish myself. I could also eat those huge shrimp platters at Red Lobster as a toddler(myself). Oddly now I can't stomach shrimp and do not have an opinion one way or the other about filet o' fish.
re: Fromageball
That's what happened with me with shrimp. Loved them when i was little, then at some point it switched and I couldn't stand them! Must have just overloaded on them. I'm just now starting to get over my aversion.
re: mstinawu
I need to join the anti filet-o-fish club. Where do I send in my membership dues?
re: mstinawu
I know very few people who do like it or even the idea of it!
re: mstinawu
Well, I'm another one on the NOT FOF bandwagon. Can't stand them. Could never understand why anyone would want to eat fish on a bun.
re: boyzoma
Lenten special. Good marketing, actually.
Not a fan, but to each their own.
re: boyzoma
I have no problem with fish on a bun, a good catfish poboy is wonderful, but the FoF is horrible.
Fibber, funny you mention the lenten special, when I was in high school, on Fridays we would head to Mcd's before baseball practice during lent for the FoF and they always had the hamburgers on sale. lol
re: roro1831
Yes I have no problem with fish on a bun either. Even fast food fish on a bun. The Arby's and Wendy's fish sandwiches are probably some of the best things on their menus.
But the FoF, not so much. Rather gross in my recollection.
I remember the Burger King Big Fish Sandwich as being rather meh though I remember a girl who LOVED them lol
re: PenskeFan
For myself, I like the Wendy's fish sandwich but dislike the Arby's fish sandwich. http://chowhound.chow.com/topics/7253...
I'm sure location and ingredient batch make a difference, of course, even if everything is supposed to be "standardized"
re: huiray
True I think location could make a difference. I know in Richmond our Arbys have been "upscale" for quite a while, even had people having wedding receptions at one of them. The local group that owns the chain has their own local CIA chefs and feature grass-fed beef and turkey.
re: PenskeFan
That's because the Big Fish was an imitation of the original Burger King response to the Filet O Fish- the Whaler.
...ah yes, Whoppers and Whalers...the Original Burger King selections.
re: boyzoma
"Could never understand why anyone would want to eat fish on a bun."
Not to mention fish on a bun with cheese! Bleck.
re: boyzoma
Oh my, no po'boys for you? Or fish dumplings?
re: shanagain
And no lobster rolls for them, either! And no crab cakes benedict for them, either.
re: boyzoma
re: "Could never understand why anyone would want to eat fish on a bun."
Really? Why is the concept odd to you?
A well made fried whiting sandwich or catfish po'boy is all the proof of concept I need.
re: The Professor
Well, there are folks who would only eat stuff like delicately poached sea bass on a bed of microgreens, or seared halibut with exquisite artisanal sauces and baby carrots - y'know, that sort of thing...
re: huiray
Actually I like filet of fish better than halibut. I don't think halibut has much flavor, unless it has the artisanal sauce you mentioned. Halibut and flounder are for people who don't like the way fish tastes.
re: mstinawu
Haha. I just looked up the article. My coworker started talking about it a few minutes ago and we had a conversation. He may have indeed read it.
(1) "Foodies" are over at zagat.com. (2) This thread will likely be bounced to the chains board. (3) Psst, if no one is listening, you do ask an interesting question. I tend to rant and rave against In-N-Out burger, e.g., but last night came very close to stopping at McDonald's for a fish sandwich w/cheese + fries. In my refrigerator at home, I had part of an exceptional strip steak from the Pacific Dining Car next to leftover fries w/cheese sauce from Portillo's. On the front seat of my car sat two peach donuts from Donut Man. But I was nearly swept away by the craving for a McDonald's fish sandwich, which I finally resisted. Maybe I like it because, as a kid, we had only fried fish at home, and McDonald's does a much better job of frying than my mother, who was a great baker but not so good with fish and seafood.
re: hnsbmg
Growing up in a Taiwanese home we always had some type of seafood on the dinner table at night, but I still crave the filet o fish every now and then like crazy! Course we also almost never ate anything deep fried at home either so maybe that's where I got my fried fish fix.
I consider the Filet-O-Fish among the essentials in life, right up there with oxygen and water.
2 Filet-O-Fish + 1 large Vanilla shake = Perfect post 20-mile run refueling meal.
re: Emm
Maybe people like thetrans-fats??......
re: Emm
They are on sale on Fridays during Lent in San Diego County (used to be $1 but creep up every time minimum wage goes up; I think $1.29 this year) and three locations still have FoF Fridays all year.
There is something about the steamy white bun and crispy fried patty and 1/3 slice of American cheese with a glob of that tartar sauce which is very comforting. One time this year I ate two and that was too much food. Or fried.
I hadn't had McDonalds in over 10 years. But FoFs were discussed so much here that I dropped in last year for a late night meal, and the FoF was unbelievable, warm, moist, not too big, flavorful.
I liked it so much that I stopped back a few weeks later for a second one. The second time reminded me why I avoid fast foods - there is no texture differentiation b/w the different elements (was that bread my teeth just went through? fish? breading? can't tell).
Maybe in another 10 years I'll give it a go again.
re: Cachetes
Food for the toothless, it would seem.
McD's FOF is way overpriced and dried out, Burger Kings is way bigger and not so dried out.
re: malibumike
I worked at an Arthur Treacher's Fish & Chips while in high school in the late 70s. Now THAT was a fish sandwich!
re: ttoommyy
Eating a Filet-O-Fish isn't really about eating a fish sandwich. It's not even close to what a fish sandwich should be.
A Filet-O-Fish, I would argue, is a food type all unto its own.
If talking about fast food fish sandwiches, I would argue that Wendy's Fish Filet Sandwich is better than BK's.
re: ipsedixit
I used to like the FOF if it was freshly made - that is, with a very hot piece of fish. But I stopped ordering it when I learned that it was higher in fat than their burgers. But I can't recall when I last ate at MDs - seems like years.
When I worked in downtown Chicago, there was a restaurant near the Board of Trade that did a big business Fridays with a takeout fish sandwiches. It was in effect a sandwich version of good fish n chips, with several large pieces of sole on a large bun.
re: ipsedixit
Filet-O-Fish : fish sandwich :: Jack in the Box taco : taco , perhaps?
(Both of which are absolute guilty pleasures of mine!)
re: ipsedixit
Never had a Wendy's fish filet sandwich. It's only available around Lent/Easter (in my area, at least) and normally I don't think of them when I'm in the mood for a fish sandwich anyway.
re: huiray
OK, had a Wendy's Cod Fish Filet on their bun today plus their fries. Liked the fries for the nice potato taste, remnants of skin present and texture, disliked the oversalting. Meh on the fish - nicely crispy but the slice was on the thin side and also on the dry side. McD's FoF preferred, Wendy's fries preferred.
Then hopped across the road to try out Long John Silver's Cod 2-piece basket (new item). Two smallish pieces of battered & deep fried fish, definitely on dry side, overcooked. So-so fries. Two corn bread type hush puppies - meh.
Fish-wise --> order of personal preference = McD's FoF > Wendy's fish filet > BK fish filet > LJS Cod fish basket.
Fries --> order of personal preference = BK ~ Wendy's > McD > LJS.
(BK = Burger King)
re: huiray
That's what I call doing your homework! Wow!
re: huiray
plus I think LJS puts a silly amount of sugar in their batter, they taste like doughnuts.
re: hill food
I agree - I last tried LSJ about 7-8 years ago as a sort of trip down memory lane and just couldn't find any redeeming qualities whatsoever.
re: huiray
mickey d's is not a filet o' fish.
re: alkapal
"mickey d's is not a filet o' fish."
Uh, the Filet-O-Fish is sold by McDonald's.
(Assuming you mean "McDonald's" when you use the epithet "mickey d's, which you surely must since you use this epithet in exactly that way in your own post here on this thread: http://chowhound.chow.com/topics/7253...)
Here's the webpage for the Filet-O-Fish: http://www.mcdonalds.com/us/en/food/p...
Even the title of the thread contains the phrase "McD's Filet o' Fish", otherwise shortened (as I did) to "McD's FoF".
What are you trying to say?
re: huiray
Fish Filet Patty
Allergens: FISH (HOKI AND POLLOCK), WHEAT AND MILK
Fish Filet (Hoki and Pollock), water, food starch-modified, yellow corn flour, bleached wheat flour, salt, whey, dextrose, dried yeast, sugar, sodium polyphosphate, potassium polyphosphate, cellulose gum, paprika and turmeric extract (color), natural flavors (plant source). Prepared in vegetable oil (Canola oil, corn oil, soybean oil, hydrogenated soybean oil with TBHQ and citric acid added to preserve freshness). Dimethylpolysiloxane added as an antifoaming agent.
re: alkapal
I see. So you were trying to say that the product sold by McDonald's is not just fish and nothing but fish. WHY NOT JUST SAY SO? If you were using "filet o' fish" to mean "(a) filet (composed) of fish" without any other explanation it is not in the context of how the phrase has been used by everyone else here on the thread; and in any case would be incorrect as the product DOES contain fish, and almost wholly fish at that.
The name of the product sold by McDonald's (your "mickey d's") is Filet-O-Fish, which some posts including the title of the thread alter a bit to Filet o' Fish or FOF or FoF (including myself) - but the context is clear. For that matter i have not called it "Filet o' Fish" in any of my posts.
I also don't think anyone has claimed that the fish patty is pure unadulterated fish. For that matter, neither are any of the other fish patties sold by McDonald's competitors.
Here's the info for Wendy's fish fillet, which they tout as "hand cut fillets of 100% North Atlantic Cod": http://www.wendys.com/food/Product.js... but which comprises:
Cod, Water, Enriched Bleached Wheat Flour (flour, niacin, iron, thiamine mononitrate, riboflavin, folic acid), Modified Corn Starch, Less than 2% of: Yellow Corn Flour, Salt, Garlic Powder, Onion Powder, Leavening (sodium aluminum phosphate, sodium bicarbonate), Soy Oil, Sugar, Spice, Palm Oil, Disodium Inosinate and Guanylate, Yeast, Malted Barley Flour, Natural Flavor, Sodium Phosphate (to retain moisture), Ascorbic Acid (dough conditioner). Cooked in Vegetable Oil (soybean oil, corn oil, cottonseed oil, hydrogenated soybean oil, natural flavor [vegetable], citric acid [preservative], dimethylpolysiloxane [anti-foaming agent]). Cooked in the same oil as menu items that contain Egg, and Milk. CONTAINS: FISH (cod), WHEAT.
re: huiray
I had a couple of Arby's fish sandwich the other day. Yesterday I had another Wendy's cod fish sandwich (with cheese) as well as a single-patty Rally's fish sandwich.
I disliked the Arby's sandwich. It had off-odors and flavor (distinct from "clean-smelling/tasting fish") when hot, and was nondescript and mushy when cold, it seemed to me. Their fries were those spiced curly fries - OK but not very potato-ey.
The Wendy's fish patty this time (different location) I thought was more moist, and the cheese seemed to help in a way. The fries were less good than last time for me.
The Rally's sandwich was the cheapest amongst all the chains so far, and also the smallest (natch). The fish I thought was also just a bit off, and too thin and small in relation to the breading and the overall sandwich, so the fish was both a little "overfried" and insufficient for the sandwich. The bun was squishy/easily congealed. (Yes I could have got their double-stacker or whatever it is called but I wanted to compare them as single-patty sandwiches) Their fries (small portion was *small*!) were the spiced type - they stayed somewhat crisp even when cold, which was nice; and were reasonably tasty, but also not really potato-ey.
re: ipsedixit
Agree on the Wendy's...but even that seems bland to me. I love a good fish sandwich and fortunately where I live there are a number of places that do great fried Whiting.
Now THAT is a fish sandwich.
re: ttoommyy
Finally, a serious thinker! There's an Arthur Treacher's/Nathan's Famous Hot Dogs outlet in Southern California (5050 W. Rosecrans Ave., Hawthorne), which I now feel morally obligated to try. This weekend.
re: hnsbmg
Alas, Arthur Treacher's was never the same once it became part of the Nathan's family.
re: malibumike
Nope. I find BK's fish sandwich too thin and dry. Their fries are better than McD's, however. To me, that is.
re: Beach Chick
>>>>I order mine with extra tartar sauce so its made to order and not sitting around under a heat lamp<<
good trick. i do the same with my junior whoppers; "extra pickle and onion" gets you a freshly made sandwich.
yes, ipse, wendy's real cod is a pretty darn decent fast food fish sandwich.
why is FOF so popular? it is squishy comfort food, where all the elements meld into one vaguely fishy, mayonnaisey whole. that -- and the song. (ps, fun and annoyingly juvenile thing to do in the cvs drug store where they sell the singing fish: press all the fishes' sound buttons about 10 seconds apart, so you have fishes singing in a "round").
re: alkapal
Trouble is with a lot of McD's they dont understand ENGLISH too well, I order extra pickles of extra sauce on big mac or FOF and get home and they leave off all the stuff, very frustrating.
re: malibumike
this is true <sigh>. i've learned with takeout to check before i leave the window.
re: malibumike
Years ago I did a drive thru lunch run for our office at BK. You know, the place where you're supposed to be able to get it "your way". Well, I placed everyone's order and then mine - whopper jr. with cheese, pickle, lettuce, tomato, and mustard only. We went over that a couple of times. So I get back to the office and dole out the lunches. Everyone opens their little burger box - no problems. I open mine and it's a hamburger patty with all the condiments, cheese and NO BUN! I didn't know they would take me so literally. : D
re: hill food
I order a cheeseburger "protein style" @ In n Out to get lettuce/no bun
re: Beach Chick
I do the same as well, only mine are without tartar sauce. I like to squeeze a packet of ketchup in there instead -- fond memories of childhood fish sticks. The special order always gets me a made-to-order, piping hot sandwich.... Maybe the naysayers who find the FOF to be dry would change their minds if they had one fresh off the line?
re: Beach Chick
Back in the day they used to salt the FoF patties, order the FoF without salt and they have to fire you a new one. Order extra sauce they can just take the top off and add a shot. :)
Childhood conditioning for me, nothing more. When I was a kid all the other burgers and sandwiches came in boring orange and yellow wrappers, but the Filet came in a cool blue wrapper! Something like that gets a lot of mileage with little kids. Also, it was one of the few menu items that my parents would order for us, in the very mistaken belief that it was healthy.
I recall that the superb and prolific poster rworange of the SF Bay Area board (but now in Guatemala for a while) wrote a fascinating post on the FOF a few years back. I have looked for it, but cannot find it. It certainly changed the way I thought about this item.
When I were young, I liked the McDonald hamburgers more than the Filet o' Fish, and my mom loved the Filet o' Fish. As I get older (the last 10 years), I have grown to love Filet O' Fish much much more.
What can I say, I grow to become my mother's child.
I also like the McDonald apple pie. I remember it being very cheap and that was what I could comfortably afford.
re: Chemicalkinetics
I don't think I would like it as much if they changed the tarter sauce. I love that stuff. It's addictive. I've been known to lick the wrapper or wipe the leftover sauce using my french fries. I think I would eat anything if they put the McDonald's tarter sauce on it. LOL!
re: Wintergoblin
I think you dead on about the tarter sauce. I don't remember ever using French fries to wipe it up, but I have licked the wrapper
Great stuff.
re: Wintergoblin
I get a small fries and dump half of them on the Filet o' Fish sandwich with the special order of extra tartar sauce oozing out of the sides and the hot fries just sopping up all that goodness..
re: Beach Chick
Are you in training for a Chick v Food series? :)
re: Beach Chick
Chick vs Fish?
re: Beach Chick
I wish McDonald's would make tater tots ... because they would go perfectly with the Filet-O-Fish.
re: ipsedixit
Little nugget bombs of tater tot goodness squished inside a hot Filet-O-Fish..
Damn, that's what I'm talking about Willis..
re: Beach Chick
That's why sometimes I'll go to McDonald's right around 11 am when the changeover from breakfast to the regular menu occurs.
The place will still have their breakfast hash browns leftover from the breakfast rush, and it's late enough in the morning when I can order a McDonald's Fish-O-Filet from the regular menu.
Then it's all about putting it together. Open said Fish-O-Filet sandwich by removing top bun, insert one hash brown patty, replace said bun, and enjoy.
And, really, who are we kidding ... the McDonald's hash brown is really one big tater tot right?
re: ipsedixit
I'll have to try it vs. the fries..
re: ipsedixit
Ohhh gross, ohhh eww, oh my crunchy, salty deep-fried carby-heavy goodness. Must go to McDonald's, now.
re: ipsedixit
i have to admit, if i go to mickey d's with mr. alka, i take a chomp on the crispy hot hash brown patty the first thing.
ipse, you're on to something, brother!
re: ipsedixit
My gosh. I knew I liked your posts before, but you are a GENIUS.
re: Beach Chick
tear off all the extra bun that doesn't have cheese or tartar sauce on it, THEN add fries to FoF.
Haven't had one in a very long time, but that's what I remember.
This is ridiculous - I'm dying for a FoF now!
I wonder if the answer to your question is maybe that it was a beginning 'hound thing. As a kid, everyone else was getting burgers or nuggets, but the aspiring chowhound probably wanted to branch out into the different.
What's always been funny to me is that I won't eat the BK version - what was it, the whaler?
re: shanagain
LOL..me too..ipse's way!
; )
re: Beach Chick
I recall once when I ordered the Filet-O-Fish with my order of "leftover" hashbrowns and this little toddler -- who was dining with his mom and what looked like his grandma -- started whining he wanted the same thing.
But, alas, it was too late and the counter lady said there was no more hash to be had.
Being the softy that I am, I cut my doctored up Filet-O-Fish in half and offered the half that was not eaten by me to the toddler.
Good eating all around!
re: shanagain
maybe that it was a beginning 'hound thing. As a kid, everyone else was getting burgers or nuggets, but the aspiring chowhound probably wanted to branch out into the different."
I take issue with this what you've said. I don't dispute your love of the filet-o-fish and I certainly have a perplexing affection for oddball fast food (anybody care for a tacoburger and fries from Taco Villa?), but liking a filet-o-fish does not necessarily a make one a chowhound. You might think I'm quibbling, but I think the distinction I make is important.
re: agoodbite
I never said it did, you're safe.
all y'all need to get your keesters to Rome, the McD's in the Piazza d'Espana (sp? right under the Spanish Steps) has the most awesome FoF ever. must be the fish they use and actually fried, not those heat drawers they use in the states. I know it's sacrilege going there as a yank rather than scouting out the best obscure trattoria, but damn it's good.
re: hill food
that's ok, hill food. once when i was in high school, we ate chinese near the spanish steps! tasted just like home! LOL!
re: alkapal
there's decent sushi down an alley there too.
Now that I know the fish comes out of the Florida Keys, it confirms why I still find myself stopping for a fillet of fish now and then.
I had no idea this was a phenomenon. I NEVER eat at McDonald's except when I'm on my way to Nags Head from Raleigh (only to, never back - I never stop and eat on the way back). And the only thing I ever get is the filet of fish and french fries (although I may try two FoF and a vanilla shake next time like one of the other posters does). Technically, the sandwich is disgusting. But there's something about the bun, combined with the bitter bizarre fish - like a fish turned in upon itself somehow, then breaded and microwaved), combined with that tartar sauce that all works in harmony somehow. I never feel ashamed or unclean afterwards, amazingly.
re: markerbuoy
"a fish turned in upon itself"
you will be quoted.
re: hill food
It was the orange drink with the filet o fishy that made it worthy . . .
re: kellithina
too many people over look the value of a concise reply.
re: hill food
It's a fish stick on a bun with tartar sauce. As a child of the late 60's/early 70's the fish stick was a staple of my youth (along with mac & cheese, spaghetti and meat sauce and hot dogs). Neither mom nor school had a lot of sophistication back then - and I was none the wiser. It's a food memory, not a gourmet delight.
re: ferret
Yes! And as with many memories, you can never go back.
Hello... In this my response, I am risking massive disapprobation from all quarters (and who knows, perhaps rightly so); but it is _my truth_. I discovered the McD filet-o-fish sandwich simultaneous to my discovery of my adolescent libido. To put things delicately, the warm and moistly intoxicating wafting fragrance of the filet-o-fish sandwich was, to my teenage senses, very similar to my encounters with warm and moistly intoxicating/aroused young women during my high school years. The yeasty/tangy pungency of a fresh filet-o-fish sammy, i found to resonate and resemble the pungency of eagerly nubile dates and amorous fumblings in the back of my old pontiac catalina. In sum, I very early-on had linked the aroma of the tartar with the aroma of the tart. And I mean this in the finest and most affectionately recalled manner possible. Proust I am not, but I just may nickname my next filet-o-fish 'Madeleine' ... I shall now retreat and otherwise duck for cover. And as always, no offense intended to you, gentle reader, whatsoever...
re: silence9
w/o commenting on the content of your post, the sense of smell is the one most connected to memory.
re: silence9
lol I guess some people go to strip clubs and others just go to mcdonalds and order a FoF.... have fun with Madeleine :)
re: kpaxonite
"give him back that filet-o-fish!"
re: silence9
ROFL! This is the funniest thing I've read on a food forum! Thanks very much for sharing, I shall forward it to all my hot foodie friends who will also appreciate it lol
I like the way one of my friends in college put it when talking about Long John Silvers... Fish should never ever be square shaped.
re: Lindseyup67
$3.59 out in the San Fernando valley, ca is even more insane!
re: Lindseyup67
i can usually get about 7-8 bites out of one FoF and i do, especially when they run their 2 for $3 special.
and i love sticking my fries between the bun to get at the tarter sauce.
re: Lindseyup67
I can think of many tiny sandwiches cost more than $3-4.
re: Lindseyup67
As I stated above, FoF are on sale on Fridays during Lent at every McD's in my area and three stores keep them at the lower price ($1.29) on Fridays all year. I am in San Diego County.
My family is in the Detroit area/suburbs and tell me that the FoF is $1 during Lent and my brother knows of two locations which have the FoF on sale every Friday all year.
The FOF is a perfect lighter lunch counterpoint if you had the Sausage Egg McMuffin for breakfast.
Now why they can't supersize both of these like a double double or Big Mac is still a mystery to me.
My Hunanese grandma, bless her heart...when she was still mobile she would be happy if her grandsons took her to Mickey's and she would just get a FOF w/o cheese, and have a smile on her face (w/o a coke too). And this is coming from a person who strongly prefers Chinese when dining out. It also helped that the FOF was easy on the dentures...
I love this thread, and thank Ipsedixit for turning me on to it. I'm a FoF lover. I've vowed off McDs for political reasons (they claimed copyright infringement on a friend's proposed new restaurant name) but i am sorely tempted when reading these rhapsodic posts.
I saw a McDonald's "documentary" that said that the FoF came about as a contest between, i believe, two franchisees.... maybe not a contest, but someone had to come up with a non-meat entree. so one proposed the FoF, and the other a grilled teriyaki pinapple sandwich. I can't imagine you'd get the same type of Proustian memories from hot fruit on a bun....
re: mariacarmen
grilled pineapple? with some other stuff? could be good, what that other stuff would be I'm not sure and that and your friend's copyright infringement are for another thread (was it "WeBeSushi"'s original name from 20+years ago?
re: hill food
Grilled pineapple with chesse
I have to admit that for me, once in a blue moon, I really enjoy having one. It's sort of a childhood comfort food thing - like breaded fish sticks & boxed mac & cheese.
FF's take on the FoF:
In Japan McD's, they are 80% of the breakfast bin, a small piece of fish being a traditional part of breakfast.
In US McD's, they're belov'ed because: breaded and deep fried, tartar sauced and cheesed, served in a spongy white bun that's been steamed.
To some: drive-thru Nirvana in the American Dream. Fish sliders snarfed down noisily in their big SUV's.
Unreal lol. I thought I was the only one! Well, growing up, I was the only kid who ordered this while everyone else had normal burgers...and the same when I grew up and was meeting someone at McD, I would still be the only one ordering it lol. I guess I liked it at first because it was a different kind of burger. Then later, liked the flavour of the creamy/tangy tartare sauce with the fried fish.
re: superbadkitty
It was also my favorite thing at Mc Donald's when I was little. I once convinced an employee to make me a Fish O' Filet Happy Meal. I think my parents had to buy everything including the toy separately and the employee put it in the box. LOL!
As a young high-school guy
with a full set of pimples
I worked at McDonald's
and doled out the fries.
We each were assigned to a "station",
be it fries, shakes,
or taking orders from
long line of customers.
The cock-o-the-walk was the grill man.
He set the pace with his spatula
and his vigorous enthusiasm.
We enjoyed him.
Usually I worked "window",
in these days before driver-thru.
when each customer contact
was a face-to-face encounter.
But when working in kitchen,
my favorite station
was the niche of the "Fish, and fried pies."
That station was supplied
with two very small deep-fryers.
One for the fish
and one for the pies.
As I remember, the racks just held six,
so the rhythm was constant.
On left were the cardboard sleeves for the pies,
a passionless exercise.
But on right were the makin's for fish.
The thick breaded fillets were gorgeous.
They fit to the rack and descended to oil,
with a timer, of course.
At the beep, I'd ascend them,
and allow for their drain.
Six perfect patties
that needed a bun.
The buns were the same as for burgers,
but rather than browned, were sent to the steamer,
a marvelous tool of that era,
with hand to the handle for the hiss of the steam.
The buns now be-steamed
were parted to halves, open and glistening.
Grabbing the tool for the tartar sauce,
akin to a caulking gun,
I squeezed-off required squirts,
as evenly as possible.
Then placement of cheese.
The wrap in the semi-waxed paper
gave cradle to product
now sent to the serving bin,
with hint of manumission.
Later in years, based in Japan,
Breakfast bins overflowing
with sandwiches fishies,
Gave corollary to traditional Japanese breakfast
of fish, rice, and miso,
Yet customers crowded in.
Fast forward these years.
both pollock and cod need our management.
as Fillet of Fish Sandwich marches forward.
I leave that to professionals upon fisheries.
First job McD's was step on the path for a Foodie.
I still hear the hiss of the steamer.
re: FoodFuser
"I still hear the hiss of the steamer."
does it haunt you yet in the wee hours of night?
re: hill food
To hear is not haunt.
But jest can be joust.
re: FoodFuser
FF, this may be my favorite of all your posts. Your flow is excellent.
re: shanagain
Just workin' my station,
with ear to the heart
of whatever steams.
re: FoodFuser
In reply to FoodFuser's post above, all I can say is that was beautiful.
I love McDonald's
But who knew they were worthy
Of a fine haiku?
Its soooo good, especially when its fresh..
it tastes very light and fluffy... not fishy at all.. smooth.. fluffy.. light.. ahhh... loved it as a kid and love it now...
Who does not like McDonalds!! ?
re: setofdueces
A cold leftover FoF fresh from the fridge with a hot cup of coffee is mighty fine as well.
re: ipsedixit
I love (love!) leftover fried catfish for breakfast, but never would've thought about leftover FoF's... and now, it sounds ridiculously good.
Moral of the story, never read this board in the morning.
re: shanagain
I thought I was the only one who loves leftover fried fish for breakfast! There's just something about it...
re: luvcubs
There are very few ways when a McDonalds' Filet-O-Fish is not good.
re: luvcubs
Me three. Leftover salt and pepper fried catfish..... yum.
re: Fibber McGee
No, but I wish they did. I was remarking on the fried fish for breakfast comment. Not necessarily that it came from Mickey D's.
re: setofdueces
When it's fresh and the bun is hot and airy, it's a thing of beauty..
You have to eat it right then and there in the parking lot..
Sometimes, you get little roof of the mouth burns because the fried fish is so hot but then you get a cold taste of the tartar to put that blister out..
Doesn't Mc D's offer Filet 0- Fish sandwiches for .99 cents on Friday during lent?
re: Beach Chick
With all this talk about FoF, I stopped by today for lunch. With a choice of two FoF or one with a medium order of fries, I chose the two FoF (skipping the fries) for $3.33. Oddly one would have cost $3.59.
A customer in front me ordered one FoF with a coffee. The clerk asked if she would like a medium order of fries with that for $3.33. She declined. I felt like suggesting she should get the two FoF (saving a quarter) and I'd pay her $1 for the second FoF.
re: Beach Chick
They raised it to $1.29 after the last minimum wage increase. Yes, I think most all nationwide have the Filet O Fish on sale on Fridays during Lent.
Some McDonald franchise owners sell the Filet O Fish for $1.29 on Fridays all year.
I have to admit, I'm a FoF lover as well. I don't really like fish sandwiches from anywhere else, with the exception of Red Robin. Most of the other fast food joints usually add lettuce and don't add cheese, which is crucial, even though I can't think of any other instance where I think I would like fish with cheese.
re: huiray
The cheese in the FoF is really there more for the "glue factor" than the taste.
It keeps the darn filet in place.
re: ipsedixit
True enough, but it does have a slight (very slight) taste which seems to go with the whole. The fact that it is innocuous (heh!) American cheese squares seems to be part of it... ;-) If it were Roquefort, say, the FoF would be a very different beast.
After reading all of this, I decided to use my monthly mcdonalds meal to try a filet o' fish, i somewhat remember eating some and liking it when i was younger.
But now, it was a disapointment i must say, it's everything you guys (and girls) described, the little steamed bun, the cheese acting as glue to hold the pattie, the tartar sauce, it looked good, but yet it just didn't do it for me.
At least i chose the last day of the month, so that way i can go back tomorrow for my march allocation and eat a sure value!
re: westaust
hey wes - don't go shoot your March McD wad all at once! yeah none of it's the same. time marches on. the sands shift and the harbor entrance must be dredged. I still like it, but it IS a far cry from what it was. pity. sometimes I'd rather heat up a pack of Gorton's fillets at home on hot dog buns.
re: westaust
don't shoot your wad on the shamrock shake. it is like a fake-y flavor grasshopper without the booze. typical "shake" from mickey d's with the long aftertaste of "flavorings" and strange mouth coating properties.
wonder what chick fil-a is "shaking" these days? calorie bombs but good. love their summer peach.
re: alkapal
oh alka, I didn't think the shamrock warning needed to be said (but if it did I pity the poor soul)
re: hill food
hehehehe -- i'm laughin'!
re: alkapal
Don't worry about the shamrock shake, we don't seem to get them up here in Canada!
re: westaust
After seeing this topic pop-up here so frequently I finally went and tried one today. I remember liking them as a kid but it's been many, many years since I have tried one.
The verdict: the fish patty itself was crispy and seemed to be freshly cooked. The tartar sauce was nice with a good tang from the pickles. The bun was awful, just cottony and kind of sweet, I didn't eat most of it. i gave a corner of the fish patty to my dog, who ate it, but didn't seem that enthusiastic about it. Also at $3.89 for one very small sandwich it is not a good deal.
Drove by Mc D's and saw the big sign for my beloved Filet O' Fish for $1.49 on Fridays for Lent..
I hauled ass around several cars and pulled into the drive-thru and though I'm not a fast food chicka, I know to get things somewhat fresher than the heat lamp, I asked for something extra like tartar sauce and the employee asked if I wanted a small fry for a $1 more...Hell. to the YES!
Pulled into a supermarket parking lot and squished my hot fries into the sandwich that was this steamed bun thing of beauty with the extra tartar sauce oozing out of the sides but the fries seem to sop that up..
This was so damn good and the key to eating this little masterpiece of the food kingdom, is to eat it right away, order it with extra tartar so its fresh and get fries with it and squish those fries inside..ideally, between the bun and the tartar..not the cheese.
This was a thing of beauty..
While I admit that I like the taste of the Filet o' Fish, I'm not even sure if it's really fish. When I want a fried fish sandwich, I want one like this!: http://burghfeeding.blogspot.com/2012...
re: Burghfeeder
i'll take one of those, please!
re: Burghfeeder
That's the problem.
People who expect the FoF to be actually a "fish" sandwich will inevitably be disappointed.
The FoF is a food item all unto itself -- transcending simple categorizations like "fish sandwich" or "fish burger"
re: ipsedixit
except in Rome. it really IS different there. (and yeah I've slapped my knuckles with a ruler for having even tried it, but I have no shame) worth it. real fish. cooked right up. what it once was elsewhere.
re: ipsedixit
That's exactly right...Kind of like the other McDonalds classic, the McRib! I happen to love that sandwich!
Love the FoF.
Every Friday here they are $1.59, and I am there EVERY Friday.
For the artery clogger special--ask for extra tartar sauce at the drive up window and they give it to you off the line, in a cup that they use for their yogurt with fruit smoothies, not in packets. Then dip your fires in the tartar sauce--and pretend that you are in France eating pomme frites; hey we're in a recession, remember?
2 FOF, 1 sm fry, 1 large sweet tea, $5.86 for my fish-n-chips on Friday meal. No Vatican II for me.
re: phxjcc
Whoa, EXTRA tarter sauce on a Filet o' Fish? Chowhounds are far more hardcore than I ever knew! I am impressed!
Well, this post has finally done it. I swore of the FoF a couple of years ago, due to the quality of the compressed fish patty's decline. But I have decided to give it another shot as I used to love them so.
Packing up the husband and hitting the 24-hour one in our neighborhood in 15 mins. Verdict to come.
re: CuervoLinda
The key is something extra so you don't get that FOF thats been sitting around under a heat lamp.
Order a small fries with the extra tartar and squish them all together and you've got yourself a little thing of beauty...eat it right away...when its hot, its hot!
re: CuervoLinda
Experiment a success!
I had them "drop the Filet o' Fish fresh" (fast food for "I want a newly fried one"), as well as the small fries, and tried a reconciliation with my long lost love, the FoF. No way would I leave the freshness and temperature to chance, as I was looking for the optimal FoF experience. (FYI, McDonald's has a button "Well Done" that means "fry it now". I've never had anything actually come well done so I suppose it's just for getting freshly fried food.)
It was very good, although admittedly not as good as I remember. I may just be having euphoric recall, but there was actually less tartar sauce than I remember there being previously. Most people find the FoF tartar sauce-heavy in my experience, so it wouldn't surprise me if they cut down on the pre-measured glop of sauce to appeal to the majority of their customers.
Best of all? No silvery veiny bits! There were a couple of grayish areas in the patty, but nothing like what I found in the last few I had. They must be getting their fish from a new supplier, or at least changed the way it was processed.
And as people have said here, it was cheaper than normal. I am assuming this was because it was Friday. It was only $2. (I've seen the 2 for $3 deal before, but only at another McDonald's.) I seem to remember their normal price being $3.49 or so, so finding out we do get a Friday price break just made it that much better.
I am happy to report I have an alternative to my Big Mac order from now on.
re: Burritobreath
I'm not sure about the lettuce and pickles, but I love the Fish O' Filet and Shamrock shake combo. When I was little I would either get the Fish O' Filet and Shamrock Shake or the cheeseburger and hot fudge sundae.
re: Wintergoblin
GOTTA have the pickle on there.
It provides the flavor that the fish lacks. ;-)
re: The Professor
nuh-uh - that's what the tartar sauce is for!
@Wintergoblin - the hot fudge sundae eaten with fries dipped into it was my childhood pleasure.
re: Burritobreath
That's kinda like my wife does her fish sandwich at Whataburger, the Whatacatch. She gets it like a regular burger, with lettuce, tomatoes, onion, and pickles, no cheese. My filet of fish is a double filet, and no cheese. Do other parts of the country have double fish? It showed up around Lent, and is a much better deal than doing it my old way, buying two and making a double, throwing away one bun.
re: James Cristinian
Wow, I haven't heard "What-a-Burger" in donkey's years! I had no clue they still existed. I loved them as a kid. What part of the country are you in, James?
re: CuervoLinda
We have them in NM, but they're based out of TX. I prefer the NM chain Blake's Lottaburger. A nice green chile cheeseburger...mmm...
re: alkapal
Oh dear.
I hope those folks took it back into the place to exchange it for a properly assembled one!
re: huiray
probably just peeled the plastic cheese off and ate it on its own. LOL
re: alkapal
But its not the same doing it that way, the F-o-F needs the entire assembly to work properly. :-)
re: huiray
F of F is like crack. I had a hot, fresh one that was sinfully greasy good, but have chased that high, occasionally indulging and receiving sandwiches that are either not hot, dried out, really fishy, chintzy on the tartar sauce, on a stale bun or some other disastrous combo. Seems like only one or two in ten is a winner for me. I rarely even bother anymore because my expectations are so low. The same is true with the fries for me. Sometimes they're perfect, but most often they're either cold, oversalted or UNsalted. I'm not sure which of those is worse, though I will say that nasty oil tops them all. I had fries recently that just tasted like crummy oil. Terrible. I'm seriously thinking of getting out of my car and going inside to special order a F of F, to see if I can get back to that first, perfect sample. I think they "f&%$ you at the drive-thru" at McD's and other fast food joints, with nuked stuff that's been sitting around for hours.
re: 1sweetpea
I always go in. at 3 cars in line it's faster. usu works but sometimes they ignore the foot customer in favor of the window, depends on the store.
at least that way I can judge the status of the fry station and make my decision accordingly, salt more and start munching that much sooner.
re: hill food
<but sometimes they ignore the foot customer in favor of the window>
re: 1sweetpea
Even a bad FoF is better than about 95% of the fast food out there.
re: ipsedixit
now that's the truth....
It's too bad about that bitter, god-awful, tarter sauce. I love tarter sauce, and i love fish with TS on it, but that stuff is so...shutter.
I always loved the Filet O'Fish as a child, but would order it plain, just the bun and fish. As an adult, I admit to guiltily enjoying them every now and then, but wind up scraping off at least half the tartar sauce as there's usually about 1/2 cup too much of the gloppy stuff. I was a big fan of Designing Women as a teen and always remember the episode where Berniece is talking about her niece Phyllis and says "When we go to McDonald's, she always wants to know what the fish is like. And I always have to tell her 'It's square fish Phyllis'." That about sums up this product. it's square fish....
Has anyone tried the new fish bites? I saw an ad for them and commented to my husband there's a new low, even for McD's. My mother-in-law tried them and loves them (makes me skeptical when she compliments my food!). She normally eats healthy and eschews all fried foods, but my father-in-law stops at McD's on every road trip they ever take, so I guess she decided to try them.
re: ALLIEBTX
Hi... I guess it is all our differing tastes that make for such an interesting world. As for me, I enjoy the tartar sauce on the Fo'F and consider it so essential to the experience, that I wish they would pipe the sauce into the center of the fish for a real hootennanny! Less messy than glopping it onto the outside of the fish, and the tartar sauce would burst directly into one's mouth. Talk about food porn!!
re: ALLIEBTX
i liked the fish mcbites.
on filet o fish, i like the tartar sauce, and have never had a lot on the sandwich. ½ cup? maybe a whole tablespoon.
re: ALLIEBTX
do they serve the fish bites with the tartar sauce? i'm a McD's tartar sauce lover. Tho i haven't had a FO'F in at least 7 years...the fish bites might bring me back.
re: mariacarmen
Yeah, but it comes in a cup. The regular FoF sauce is:
Tartar Sauce:
Soybean oil, pickle relish [diced pickles, vinegar, salt, capers, xanthan gum, potassium sorbate (preservative), calcium chloride, spice extractives, polysorbate 80],
egg yolks, water, onions, distilled vinegar, sugar, spice, salt, xanthan gum, potassium sorbate (preservative), parsley.
The McBites come with this stuff:
Tartar Sauce Cup:
Soybean Oil, Dill Relish (Diced Pickles, Water, Salt, Vinegar, Capers, Xanthan Gum, Calcium Chloride, Potassium Sorbate [Preservative], Spice Extracts With
Polysorbate 80), Water, Egg Yolks, Distilled Vinegar, Contains 1% or Less: Sugar, Salt, Mustard Flour, Sodium Benzoate and Potassium Sorbate (Preservatives),
Xanthan Gum, Natural Flavor (Botanical Source), Sea Salt, Calcium Disodium EDTA (to protect flavor).
Kinda different.
re: ratbuddy
bleah. no wonder i don't eat there more than once every few years.
do they taste substantially the same?
The problem with McD's "filet o Fish" is that it's not a "filet". It's actually an assortment of fish meat, bones and all, that's ground so fine that you don't know it.
Another good reason why I've not been to McD's in over 20 years...
re: lemarais
Had two today and they def weren't ground fish, they had a discernible flaky-ness. They may be pieces but def not ground up fish.
re: ScubaSteve
yeah, i was thinking the same thing, but without one in front of me, i would not say definitively. i know the mcbites were flaky.
re: alkapal
Heh heh. McD's has fooled you. The bones are just gound up so fine you'll never know it. Skin too. Delicious. There's another process they use to make them "flaky-like".
re: lemarais
From McDonalds.com (sort of funny I've never gone to their website before today) on their Alaskan pollock filets:
Why is the Filet-O-Fish square?
Once caught, fish is immediately inspected, skinned, deboned, cut into filets and quick frozen into blocks on board the ship. Then, the blocks are cut into square portions and inspected again before being breaded, packed frozen and sealed for shipment to our U.S. restaurants.
If you have access to another source I'd love to read it.
An aside - when I make salmon croquettes from canned salmon, I smoosh up the bones and skin into the mix.
re: shanagain
I watched a "Modern Marvels" episode on commercial pollock fishing and that was pretty much the process. They scooped the fish up in enormous nets, dragged them onto the ship into a hold where a conveyor belt fed them into the processing area. They were beheaded and filleted by hand and then frozen (bones, heads and skin were dumped). The whole process was completed in a few hours.
re: ferret
I like that show (for some reason I'm endlessly tickled by their use of "workers" in lieu of other descriptive titles - or maybe that's How It's Made... "workers then debone the fillets, where the fish moves down the conveyer...") and will have to see if I can find that one on-demand. Somehow it amazes me to consider the size of such an operation, onboard.
re: lemarais
My son works at a McD's and I had him bring home an uncooked filet. It is a filet.
re: ScubaSteve
Does it really matter?
The Filet-O-Fish could be made out of horsemeat or even the remains of Lassie and I would still love it if it tasted like a Filet-O-Fish.
No one eats it because it tastes like fish, right?
re: ipsedixit
I'll try that.
re: ScubaSteve
5 corners in Marblehead has it often
re: phatchris
Surprisingly so does Pawley's at Five Points in Columbia SC.
re: ipsedixit
taste? yes it's not really that. it's the texture contrasts for me.
and the bones? at Kaz Sushi Bistro in DC (not rated the tops, but in the top 2 or 3-ish), the kitchen staff roasts the unused bones for their own quick-break snacks.
re: ipsedixit
"Does it really matter?"
Exactly. I doubt anyone would confuse it with a real fish sandwich (grouper, flounder, etc), but the FoF is a delight all it's own.
re: ipsedixit
yes, it does matter. the truth matters.
re: alkapal
The truth is that it tastes good.
re: ipsedixit
Amen, every time this damned thread has new replies I want to make the 30 minute drive to our closest McDonald's. (Oh, rural Texas, I love you.)
re: shanagain
I love rural Texas, but I live in Houston, the most un-rural city in Texas. Sometimes we take a roadie out west, searching for trains along the old Southern Pacific Sunset Route. About an hour west is East Bernard, where they converted the local Church's Chicken into a McDonalds. The locals love it, the wife and I prefer Church's. They do still serve good Blue Bell ice cream. We eschew McDonald's and eat BBQ.
re: lemarais
like others, i'd like to know your basis for making these factual assertions. i'm also very curious about how one makes something that is a ground paste into something that is "flaky" (not flaky-like").
re: alkapal
It's not ground paste. That's surimi, also from pollock but ground and cooked to extract fats, leaving behind mostly protein before being made into krab.
McDonald's fish is indeed fillets that are then pressed into blocks and frozen that way before being portioned into single-servings. So you aren't getting a single fillet in each sandwich but a piece of several fillets.
re: lemarais
"The problem with McD's "filet o Fish" is that it's not a "filet". It's actually an assortment of fish meat, bones and all, that's ground so fine that you don't know it."
If that were true, it would have a much higher level of calcium. (Not that small bones would be a bad thing for nutrition - think sardines.)

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Ramping Up On Red Mile
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You may recall the decidedly Sailor-like antics on Edmonton's Whyte Avenue last year? Well, prepare yourselves to read of Calgary's Red Mile. Here's the first of, I'm sure, many mentions.
The impending repeat of Red Mile antics has some businesses on the southwest strip bracing for good times and others groaning at the very prospect.
Fiasco Gelato manager Adrian Juch had mixed feelings about upcoming hockey fever.
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"It's kind of messy and vulgar."
Still it is good for business, sometimes scoring a 50% hike in business on a game night.
Police Inps. Kirk McCallum said cops are ready to revisit the Red Mile with plans to be revealed this week.
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Islanders Make the Playoffs
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04/08/07 at 07:20 PM ET | Comments (0)
The New York Islanders win in a shootout over New Jersey, landing the final playoff spot in the Eastern Conference on the last day of the season. More later. (The Leafs Lunch show on AM640 radio should be quite entertaining Monday, wouldn't you say?)
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From TSN,
The win triggered a wild on-ice celebration by the Islanders who were seemingly out of the Stanley Cup hunt one week ago. They regrouped in front of third-string goalie Wade Dubielewicz to edge out the Toronto Maple Leafs for the last playoff berth to be decided on the final day of the regular season.
Toronto finished its season Saturday night with a 6-5 win over the Montreal Canadiens. The Maple Leafs had 91 points, one more than the Islanders.
The Islanders mission was simple: win, and they were in the playoffs and would face the top-seeded Buffalo Sabres.
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NBC Playoff Schedule
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04/08/07 at 04:52 PM ET | Comments (0)
From KK Member Steve NJ, the playoff television scheduling on NBC for next weekend,
Saturday April 14
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Rangers vs. Atlanta
Pittsburgh vs. Ottawa
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Calgary vs. Detroit
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Brodeur on hockey, matters of the heart, And Harleys
Blog: KK Hockey By George Malik
04/08/07 at 04:10 PM ET | Comments (0)
from Karen Crouse of the New York Times:
From his spot at the bar, Dr. Coyle Connolly, a dermatologist and rabid Flyers fan, had an open look at Devils goaltender Martin Brodeur. It was late summer 1995 in Fort Lauderdale, Fla., and Connolly's heart was on the mend after Brodeur and the Devils broke it with their defeat of Philadelphia in that year's Eastern Conference finals.
Connolly, who had booed Brodeur from his season seat, swooped in like a skater to congratulate Brodeur for having gone on to win his first Stanley Cup. He half expected his introduction to end in rejection, but Brodeur did not turn him away.
Accepting Connolly's offer of a beer, Brodeur ended up inviting him to join him and a friend for dinner so they could continue their hockey conversation. Nearly a dozen years later they are still talking about hockey and a whole lot more.
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He's All "Art"
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04/08/07 at 04:00 PM ET | Comments (0)
from the Canadian Press:
It could be just the first of many, but Sidney Crosby will win the Art Ross Trophy as the NHL scoring leader for 2006-07.
The 19-year-old Pittsburgh Penguins prodigy ended the season with 120 points, six more than Joe Thornton of the San Jose Sharks, who won the Art Ross last season with 125.
"It's a nice accomplishment, and I didn't come into this season expecting it," Crosby told reporters after setting up both Pittsburgh goals in a 2-1 victory over the New York Rangers on Saturday night. "I tried to have the best season possible, and I was lucky enough to get it."
continued with a list of the NHL's leaders in goals, GAA, etc.
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The Five-Minute Slough
Blog: KK Hockey By George Malik
04/08/07 at 03:04 PM ET | Comments (0)
from Larry Brooks of the New York Post:
The guaranteed-point, four-on-four overtime was introduced by the NHL in 1999-2000 to give teams an incentive to open up and go after victories in the extra five minutes of play. It was meant to provide a reward to fans who more often than not were sitting through 60 minutes of clutch-and-grab hockey sanctioned by the league so expansion and low-payroll operations could compete with high-payroll, marquee clubs.
The concept (Gary Bettman's, by the way) was a good one within the league's warped lowest-common-denominator environment. Overtimes did provide singular, sometimes breathtaking, entertainment. Coaches often used three forwards and an offense-minded defenseman in non-conference games. The extra five minutes (or less) often were a treat for the players and for the fans.
But the implementation of both the new officiating standards and the shootout has made the concept obsolete. Four-on-four is now generally a bore. Coaches approach overtime playing not to lose rather than to win. They'd just as soon get the game to a shootout. Defensively suspect players don't get on the ice. For example, Petr Prucha might do wonders with the additional space created by four-on-four, but the sophomore sniper got a total of two shifts - two! - in the Rangers' 22 overtime periods.
Brooks has a point: if teams can't win outright in the first 1:30-2:00 of overtime, they tend to shut down their offence and play a four-man trap. What one does to rectify the situation depends on who you ask. Brooks is for a 2-1-0 system; I'm all for the three-point win. What do you think?
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Philadelphia Ready to Land a Free Agent
Blog: KK Hockey By Alanah McGinley
04/08/07 at 01:53 PM ET | Comments (0)
From PhillyBurbs.com
There will be 30 teams vying for the services of a handful of top free agents during the off-season.
Why are the Flyers optimistic they can win a couple of these valuable auctions?
After all, even though they figure to have plenty of salary cap space (between $15-$20 million), so will a lot of other teams.
What will make big-time talents want to leave winning teams such as Buffalo and New Jersey to come to the team with the worst record of 2006-07?
continued… and some Flyers' speculation about the NHL draft lottery
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Saving Pittsburgh
Blog: KK Hockey By Alanah McGinley
04/08/07 at 01:41 PM ET | Comments (0)
From the New York Daily News,
Ray Shero could easily have claimed all the credit for maneuvering the Penguins into the playoffs for the first time in six years, but Shero doesn't do things the easy way.
If he did, he would have flaunted his famous last name like Paris Hilton at the velvet rope, demanding a VIP job in the NHL instead of paying his dues for a dozen years as a player agent and then as an assistant GM for two expansion teams.
continued… plus some other NHL talk
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And The Easter Bunny Brings You…
Blog: Abel to Yzerman By IwoCPO
04/08/07 at 10:44 AM ET | Comments (0)
...Calgary. Not real sure why the Easter Bunny has never gotten the pub Santa has. Kind of a JV holiday icon if you ask me. And I'll tell you this, with presents like that, he's not exactly skyrocketing in my book.
Whatever happened to the days of first-round opponents like Phoenix, St. Louis or Anaheim back when "mighty" meant less than that?
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Wings Convinced They're Ready
04/08/07 at 10:00 AM ET | Comments (0)
From the Detroit Free Press,
Every issue that bothered the Wings last season has been addressed. In goal, they went from untested Manny Legace to proven Dominik Hasek. Up front, they added grit and size by trading for Todd Bertuzzi and Kyle Calder. Leadership-wise, Lidstrom took over the captaincy with expected fluidity. "We're a better team than we were last year, even though we don't have as many points," forward Dan Cleary said. "I like our team. I just feel that, top to bottom, we can skate and we're a lot more physical. I think we're more gritty as a team. I believe we're more playoff-ready."More
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Date: June 9, 1889
Creator: United States Pension Agency
Description: Envelope for Mrs. Loriette C. Redway from from the Department of the Interior, United States Pension Agency. The envelope is dated June 9, 1889.
Contributing Partner: UNT Archives
[Letter from Adelitia McGee and Matilda Dodd to the Moore family and Alice McGee, November 24, 1889]
Date: November 24, 1889
Creator: McGee, Adelitia & Dodd, Matilda
Description: This is a letter from the Charles B. Moore Collection. It was written by Adelitia "Dinkie" McGee and Matilda Dodd. In this letter, Dinkie and Matilda update the Moore family and Alice on the goings-on in Gallatin, Tennessee. The news includes: community news, a dialogue about the weather, a discussion on the health of family and friends, and details on Dinkie's butter and egg venture. She closes her letter by mentioning Bettie's dress as well as her own dress and details that she is sending a swatch. She also states that Birdie is upset with Alice for not writing her and only writing the boys. In Matilda's letter, she informs the Moore family of the happenings in Sumner County and the news includes: updates on the weather, news about the hogs, a dialogue about the health of family and friends, a discussion about Matilda's new bed springs, and details about Alice, Linnet, and Birdie. She closes this brief letter by noting that the Moore family and Alice should write soon. The envelope is included with the letter.
Contributing Partner: UNT Archives
[Letter from C. B. Moore, February 9, 1889]
Date: February 9, 1889
Creator: Moore, C. B.
Description: He tells Moore that he has passed on his request to the new governor. He suggest that Moore get a petition to help his case.
Contributing Partner: UNT Archives
[Letter from Charles B. Moore to William Dodd, September 10,1889]
Date: September 10, 1889
Creator: Moore, Charles B.
Description: This postcard is from the Charles B. Moore Collection. It is written by Charles to William Dodd in Gallatin, Tennessee. Moore is writing from a hotel in Nashville. He details what the family has been doing in Nashville and who they have seen during their stay. He mentions that he has not been able to sleep and decided to write the family cards to give them an update on the Moore family's goings-on.
Contributing Partner: UNT Archives
[Letter from Charlie Gross to Charles B. Moore, August 16, 1889]
Date: August 16, 1889
Creator: Gross, Charlie
Description: This is a letter from the Charles B. Moore Collection. It is written by Charlie Gross and is addressed to Charles B. Moore. In this letter, Gross updates the Moore family on the happenings in Collin County and the news includes: a dialogue about not getting the grass burnt and not having trouble with the stock pumping into the garden, a discussion about Bryney was has been cut deep and may pass, an update on the peach crop, news about community meetings and picnics, details about Clarence's lemonade stand, a dialogue about attending the show in town, updates about the turnips and plans to sow the rest of the patch as soon as it is dry, a weather update, a message to Mrs. Moore about the hens, a message to Linnet about seeing Lora in town and details that Gross will write Linnet soon. He closes the letter by stating that he has told the Moore family all he can. The envelope is included with the letter.
Contributing Partner: UNT Archives
[Letter from H. S. Moore to Charles, Mary, and Linnet Moore , August 9, 1889]
Date: August 9, 1889
Creator: Moore, H. S.
Description: The author went to the post office in vain. She mentions Aunt Jill is unwell. She finally saw Davidsons comet. The author is also improving in archery. Tom Wilson was killed. He received the letter to Gross in Melissa and can't respond until the next day. Aunt Jill has gotten better. He gives some news from Kingston. He talks about the picnics in Melissa. He talks about opening an archery. He talks about work on a well.
Contributing Partner: UNT Archives
[Letter from Henry S. Moore to the Moore family, September 3, 1889]
Date: September 3, 1889
Creator: Moore, Henry S.
Description: This is a letter from the Charles B. Moore Collection. It is written by Henry S. Moore to the Moore family. In this letter, Henry updates the Moore family on the goings-on in Collin County and the news includes: confirmation that the Moore's letters were received, a dialogue about Lila and Solomon, a discussion about the new well, a weather update about the day's rain, details on how the rain halted Gross and Solomon's work on the grass, a dialogue about Gross picking up turnip seeds in Melissa, a discussion about exploring the property for water, details about Jones & Co., news about Charles' red heifer, a dialogue about Jupiter, updates on the family and on friends who have visited recently, news about Bessie and Cloyd, a discussion about Emmet's bow and arrows, news of the Webb-Moyer death, details on the pastures drying up, a discussion about the sanctificationists, a discussion the options of splicing a team with Will Dixon to meet an appointment in town, an a dialogue about a skunk. He closes this letter and begins on the seventh page with a letter dated September 4th. In this short second letter, Henry details the happenings in Collin County ...
Contributing Partner: UNT Archives


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