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btw, I mentioned Israel's knowledge output in relation to the nations surrounding it. The other thing I have noticed - only aneccdotally as I don't know any figures - is that a lot of women from China and India are coming here to America (and I assume elsewhere) as scientists, consultants, engineers, IT pros, physicians, etc. I have not noticed that to anywhere near the same extent with regards to Arab women, Pakistani or Bangladeshi women. If that observation is an accurate reflection of the true numbers - then that too will have important long term consequences. Generally it is true that educated women are empowered and they tend to raise educated children. Unless that female gap is closed, the relative backwardness of Muslim societies can only increase. The relative affluence of women in oil producing countries may be a misleading guide as to how productive those societies eventually become if the women are not seriously interested in, or are not able to fully take advantage, of the educational opportunities provided them
"As Muslims became deviated from the enlightened path they found their place in the roadside bins."
Correct me if I am wrong but I believe many of the most famous most famous scientists and writers that Islamic civilization produced were actually not religious. Freedom of inquiry and expression became curtailed, and the result was devastating - particularly when those lines of inquiry were not consistent with what Quranic views of the nature of Cosmos.
At that point the die was cast, Europe became ascendant, now followed by the return of China and the rest of East Asia.
Perhaps with the advent of widespread Digital Technology the restraints on free inquiry will be loosed. Unfortunately, not much useful research beneficial to mankind is yet coming out of institutions in the Middle East and other Islamic areas in this century.
This is particulary in stark contrast to that little sliver of land on the Eastern Mediterannean - Israel. when one compares the quantity and quality of knowledge output of that tiny country to the vast Islamc lands surrounding it, its really quite startling.
It would be interesting if someone came up with a map,of the Middle East, with each nation's size on the map not proportionate to actual geographic size of each country but rather quantity and quality of research of each country. Wonder what would be the size of Israel on such a map relative to the rest of the Middle East, including Turkey and Iran??
The real question then is how will Islamic countries get out of the "roadside bin" in the 21st century -at least those that don't have oil. No easy answer to that, though I am curious to see how KAUST does with all the billions that the Saudi king has endowed it with.
If KAUST, in the land of islam's birth and its two holiest places - and other similar well endowed research institutions - fail to live up to expectations the first quarter of this century, most of Asia will have moved far ahead, and the implications will be enormous -whether acknowledged or not for Islamic civilization and for the religion that lies at its core
Everybody skirts around the whole problem of Islam. Everything is based upon a book which is subject to interpretation with the added caveat that to disagree is apostasy which means death(in the constitution of 28 Islamic countries!). Hardly conducive to realistic, reasoned debate. Who is right Sunni, Shia etc. or the non-believers or the Christians, Hindus? It is not much fun being Shia in Malaysia, Jewish in Iran, Christian in Pakistan or even a non-believer in any Islamic country. A good recipe for reduced life expectance is to stand up in any Muslim country and say I do not believe there is a God. Islam according to an ex-Muslim work colleague is 'living with the hand brake on'.
A quote from the Koran
' My kingdom! My Kingdom for a Jinn '
This is the power of the Internet and other mass communications.
Can that con-man stand the truth ???
And now we will start to see a lot of censorship in Islam.
The prophet and his colleague 'Allah" can not stand the truth.
Go to DAWN Newspaper, and make a comment. IMPOSSIBLE
That is the center of Censorship.
I bid you all farewell - Just like Geert Wilders, I am also getting a lot of threatening phone calls
@Bharat pp, It would be helpful for all to know where you have found this in Quran. Based on various posting one knows you should be in a position to to tell us the Sura No. and Ayat no?
Wishing you all the best.
@ A Bangladeshi
Mr.Bharat PP dreams of such things than convinces himself that they are true and then he starts posting them on economist blog.He is pathological liar living in a fantasy world.You will never get a reference out of him.
I figure that you are referring to the idea about the truth.
Look at all the evidence very carefully. For this purpose go beyond the Koran. Look at the history of this Prophet as told to us by his colleagues.
You will find that his history is fully of death and killing .
Then ask yourself a very Common Sense question.
The First major religion was and is Hinduism. Where in Hinduism do you find wars for the sake of conversion.
The next major religion is Judaism. Judaism was born of free slaves. These slaves were a mixture of very different people who escaped Egypt. They then desperately needed a single religion to hold this variety together.
Along came Moses and the group became a single identity. Judaism confirms with the times it was born in - a very harsh religion. BUT it does not Proselityse - mainly because it was born of need to hold that group together ( Hence their belief that they are the chosen people etc etc)
Islam came as a buffer and a solution against Zoroastrians. In the day of Mohammed, The enemy that threatened Arabia was the Sassanian empire. This Persian empire was the first one that tried to convert people by the use of Conquest. Cyrus the Great was the man who started this trend.
As an antidote, a new religion had to be invented that could hold a;ll of Arabia together and unite against this empire.
Hence Islam.
Islam's central tenet is that the religion nor the Prophet should ever be criticised. This is a bit like the present Chinese state.
Without protected and tolerated criticism, One can not analyse nor fault anything. It bec ome non-transparent.
If you read most of the Economics books, you will find that China has a hugh number of problems. None of them are ever discussed. Without good and transparent as well as very tolerant discussion you will never solve your problems.
Do you have problems??
Hugh numbers _ the most important being non-discussion and over population.
On top, no-one is willing to accept Muslims.
Just as important, in the non-oil lands, Islam is the poorest component of every society.
All the facts can be checked out and confirmed.
for you own sake :
Read 'The Clash of civilisations' by Samuel Huntingtdon. the book has been and still is a Must read for most people outside Islam.
In most of my comments, I have asked people to quote me a Sura and I would quote one back to them.
So far no one has risen to the Challenge.
In Islam you do not have to too far to see all the hate and revenge attitude. Check out on the cartoons of Denmark, or the killings of the Netherlands, or the crime rates of Islamic people in Sweden or Denmark or France( less then 5% of the population.
Look up the statics of the welfare crowds all over Europe.
That alone should tell you that you have heavy duty problems
And at the end your biggest problem is constant state of denial as exampled by most commentators here
Read my answer to the Bangladeshi.
Rise to the Challenge for once
Quote me a verse and I will quote you one back.
I think that is fair.
Le me start by telling you this : In all of the last 50 years of Turkey's history, they have translated fewer books then Spain does in one year alone.
This fact stands for all of the Islamic lands
That should tell that you guys have a biggy of a big problem.
Great article. This is the real "invasion" of Islamic societies. Until mobile phones and the internet information was controlled. Now it is not. The reformation of Islam has been under way for 15 years already. It is unstoppable because, despite the odious popular tribal narratives across the world, people are people are people. Only lack of free flowing information and interaction allows us to falsely claim difference.
Its a fact of the 1500+ years Islam is around, hardly the 1st 500 years were the golden age when Science, Technology,Mathematics, Astronomy,Medicine, Culture, literature saw new heights and their contributions are well recognized. As Muslims became deviated from the enlightened path they found their place in the roadside bins. In Quran Allah has repeatedly asked Mankind and Muslims in particular to concentrate on research but the world knows how abhorrent it is to us Muslims. We love to boast of our early generation's contributions. Will it ever change?
We love to boast of our early generation's contributions. Will it ever change?
My heartfelt apologies to you Bangladeshi. My excuse is that I am NOT anti-Msulim ( In fact I think I may be a pro) BUT it is important to expose the truth.
And the answer to your question is
Not in my lifetime ( after what I have said - I may not be alive much more longer)
And this is from DAwn Newspaper - all for those who love denying everything here is an excerpt from dawn news
"And then it happened. The fears of my mother and many Hindu mothers like her materialised. I went out to one of the largest markets of Kandhkot and was abducted by a man I knew very well. He was none other than the guard who was responsible for safeguarding our temples."
And this is from DAwn Newspaper - all for those who love denying everything here is an excerpt from dawn news
"And then it happened. The fears of my mother and many Hindu mothers like her materialised. I went out to one of the largest markets of Kandhkot and was abducted by a man I knew very well. He was none other than the guard who was responsible for safeguarding our temples."
@Bharat pp, I am very happy today to introduce readers to an internet site www.quranmiracles.com, which has helped me to be enlightened me particularly on the scientific aspects.
"As Muslims became deviated from the enlightened path they found their place in the roadside bins."
Correct me if I am wrong but I believe many of the most famous most famous scientists and writers that Islamic civilization produced were actually not religious. Freedom of inquiry and expression became curtailed, and the result was devastating - particularly when those lines of inquiry were not consistent with what Quranic views of the nature of Cosmos.
At that point the die was cast, Europe became ascendant, now followed by the return of China and the rest of East Asia.
Unfortunately, not much useful research beneficial to mankind coming out of research institutions in the Middle East and other Islamic areas.
This is particulary in stark contrast to that little sliver of land on the Eastern Mediterannean - Israel. when one compares the quantity and quality of knowledge output of that tiny country to the vast Islamc lands surrounding it, its really quite startling.
It would be interesting if someone came up with a map,of the Middle East, with each nation's size on the map not proportionate to actual geographic size of each country but rather quantity and quality of research of each country. Wonder what would be the size of Israel on such a map relative to the rest of the middle east, including Turkey and Iran??
The real question then is how will Islamic countries get out of the "roadside bin" -at least those that don't have oil. No easy answer to that, though I am curious to see how KAUST does with all the billions that the Saudi king has endowed it with.
though I am curious to see how KAUST does with all the billions that the Saudi king has endowed it with.
KAUST is a remarkable institution - If it keeps it's promise of keeping the oversight of the Mullah's out then it will be an excellent institution.
However, in my mind, will these people ever be ab le to discuss such things as the history of the earth, or evolution without inviting death?
In the land of the Mullahs nothing is transparent. Nothing is NOT-Dangerous where the Mullah can change his mind with the wind.
Any Educational institution without very open discussion is not worth it's salt.
"We have permitted the enemies of every prophet-human and jinn devils-
I remember a Jinn being the centre of a science forum in Pakistan during Zia's time!
what is a damned JINN - please tell . My mouth is wide open.
If u have read the quran thoroughly u should know about them! No need for me to explain to somebody who refuse to accept the truth!
quote a Koranic verse, and I will also quote you one.
Is the Koran the truth?
I don't think that your prophet can stand the truth my freind
Thr prophet is supported by Allah the almighty the lord of the universe! Are u challenging the lord and his book? Who do u think u are?!
Hinduism has its own demons
And I will let you criticise
I will also promise that no Hindu on earth will threaten to kill you.
I am challenging you Allah.
I think he is a con man.
Quote me a verse from the Koran and I will quote you one back.
I have plenty of sticks and stones !
Who do I think I am ?
My name is Bharat.
Will you kill me ?
@Bharat pp, We are here aware how well read you are particularly on Quran and it's texts and interpretations. Just for your ready reference quoting below the English Text of Sura Fatiha, which is recognized as the Heart of Quran by all Muslims:
" SURAT Al-Fatiha, 1
1.1 In the name of Allah, Most Gracious,
Most Merciful.
1.2 Praise be to Allah
The Cherisher and Sustainer of
the Worlds:
1.3 Most Gracious, Most Merciful;
1.4 Master of the Day of Judgement.
1.5 Thee do we worship,
And thine aid we seek.
1.6 Show us the Straight way,
1.7 The way of those on whom
Thou has bestowed Thy Grace,
And go not astray.
Everyone here is waiting eagerly for your enlightenment on the point you have offered. For your information some more Translated text of Quran is noted below:
Sura Al_Muminun (Sura 23)
In the name of Allah, Most Gracious, Most Merciful.
1.Sucessful indeed are the believers,
2. Those who humble themselves in their prayers;
3. Who avoid vain talk;
4. Who are active in giving Zakat;
5. Who guard their modesty;
6. Except with those joined To them in the marriage bond,
Or (the captives) whom
Their right hand possess
For (in their case ) they are
Free from blame.
7. But those whose desires exceed
Those limits are transgressors;
8. Those who faithfully observe
Their trusts and their covenants;
9. And who (strictly) Guard
Their prayers:-
Sura Al_Ma'arij, (Sura No. 70)
23. Those who remain steadfast to their Prayer;
24. And those in whose wealth
Is a recognized right
25. For the (Needy) who asks
And him who is deprived
(For some reason from asking)
26. And those who hold
To the truth of the day of Judgment;
27. And those who fear
The punishment of their Lord,-
28. For their Lord's punishment is not a thing
To feel secure from:-
29. And those who guard their chastity,
30. Except with their wives
And the (captives) whom
Their right hands possess,-
For (them) they are
not to be blamed.
31. But those who trespass
Beyond this are transgressor;-
32. And those who respect
Their trusts and covenants;
33. And those who stand firm
In their testimonies,
34. And those who (strictly) guard
Their worship.
"no hindu .... Will threaten to kill you". Guess u dont recall the massacre of muslims in our gujrat province .. Or were the BJP leaders, now sentenced by court for their hand in the massacre not Hindus !
Islamic technology is an oxymoron. Technology is Unislamic, as it was not mentioned in Holy Quran. And PBUH nevaa used Smart phone or Tablet PC. We should revert back to using Papyrus and Clay tablet. Else, remain prepared to get 50 lashes and your members amputated.
Is my member like an Islamic member with the skin?
Although I think it is okay to let me look at my women.
Is covering a woman in the west, while the western women go less clothed, a sin?
Not in the world where OBL promised his followers 72 virgins in heaven along with 28 young boys.
Technology is content neutral. It can be used for good or for limiting oneself to narrow groups. Recently, Pakistani based Jihadi groups sent misleading SMS and MMS to people in India. These messages wrongly portrayed Chinese earthquake victims as massacre of Muslims in Myanmar. Later, these messages were revealed as hoax. However, in the meanwhile, it incited lot of hatred and violence and caused lot of hardship to people from North East in India.
Thank you for providing an opportunity to bash the religion. People, don't confuse religion with culture. As I see it, most of the cultural practices of the Middle East, North Africa, Iran, India, and Malayan regions become embedded in the religion.
such a broad statement.
I do not agree. For Islam, the Zoroastrians are heavily discriminated against in Persia. In fact a very large number of them left hundreds of years ago.
In fact your explanation does not explain the conquest and subjugation that has become the hall mark of Islam.
Go and read SAMUEL HUNTINGDON - THE CLASH OF CIVILISATIONS
Persia's culture of story telling 'DASTAN', incorporated by Shias to narrate and mourn the martyrdom of Hussein. This is one example besides many.
Persians Empire fought with zeal with the Arabs, before that with Romans, and before that with Greeks. Zoroastrians were discriminated by their fellow Persians not the outsiders. Historically civilizations clash with each others, and the powerful survives. The conquers write the history the way they want and the weak goes into oblivion. I will read your recommendation.
"Persians Empire fought with zeal with the Arabs, before that with Romans, and before that with Greeks. Zoroastrians were discriminated by their fellow Persians not the outsiders"
We must both be half-liars my freind.
The Sassanind empire ( Persians) , as Zoroastrians, were the dominant and hated people for the arabs. After Mohammed they conquered the empire, converted them to Islam ( and eventually the much more acceptable Shia) and then they became very intolerant towards all their minorities , as is Islam to this very day .
So its is Islam that is responsible for Intolerance - You can easily see that all around you - In fact that was the very cause of the Lebanese Civil war.
The Zoroastrians, as we know them, are very gentle, very entrepreneurial people.
In fact - your best friend Jinnah's wife was a Zoroastrian who refused to live in Pakistan.
Your problem is that you only quote a convenient part of history.
You forget to realise that you will be talking to intelligent people who know better then you
"Persians Empire fought with zeal with the Arabs, before that with Romans, and before that with Greeks. Zoroastrians were discriminated by their fellow Persians not the outsiders"
We must both be half-liars my freind.
The Sassanind empire ( Persians) , as Zoroastrians, were the dominant and hated people for the arabs. After Mohammed they conquered the empire, converted them to Islam ( and eventually the much more acceptable Shia) and then they became very intolerant towards all their minorities , as is Islam to this very day .
So its is Islam that is responsible for Intolerance - You can easily see that all around you - In fact that was the very cause of the Lebanese Civil war.
The Zoroastrians, as we know them, are very gentle, very entrepreneurial people.
In fact - your best friend Jinnah's wife was a Zoroastrian who refused to live in Pakistan.
Your problem is that you only quote a convenient part of history.
You forget to realise that you will be talking to intelligent people who know better then you
Discrimination will result in discrimination, resulting in Golden Temple run and pogrom in Assam and Bihar. We cannot choose and divide between acceptable and unacceptable. 'An eye for an eye will make the world go blind'.
History can be very harsh, Lets move forward and make the world a better place. The article meant something very different then what we are talking.
This article is full of inaccurate and misleading information. It is obvious that the writer is not familiar with Islam, nor with Arabic language. One example is that he mentions Hamza Kashghari as he wrote "a poem", whereas it was not a poem.
It is a highly political text, aiming to serve the writer's purposes, rather than fair and objective description of what things are.
there are mistakes but it is not "full" of inaccurate and misleading information
"there are mistakes but it is not "full" of inaccurate and misleading information"
Thank you Barishi - the truth can be seen by people who want to see. Most people will make a mistake.
In Islam, unless one analysis and critisis the culture and the religion ( usually one and the same) then we are always going to get stuck in the year 700 AD
Being an unapologetic idolater I have issues with a religion whose devote followers would have to murder me. I have already refused to change my religion. I fear this ideology and see no point in reforming it. Reforming a dangerous ideology generally works for at most a generation or two. With Mohammed as the role model things will never turn out well IMO. I have read the entire Koran.
The Prophet had 9 wives and two concubines(purchased sex slaves). The youngest he married probably at the age of six, but did not consummate the marriage till she was at least 9. He recommends repeatedly to beat your wives. My favourite verse is where he tells his followers to occasionally beat their wives for no reason to teach them humility.
He started an 8 year war and became a great general, front line warrior, master strategist and propagandist. IMO he created a type of protosocialism and profoundly reformed Middle Eastern politics. His soldiers were the best paid of the period and he always looked after his fallen soldiers families. Sadly he also committed genocide, sold slaves and in the end went on to kill all idolaters on sight. The act of cultural and literal genocide on the site of Mecca is still celebrated every year. In the modern world he would be considered a war criminal.
This is why Islam will not like the internet. It does not deal with criticism well.
Nowhere in the koran mentioned about mohd have 9 wives and 2 concubines nor does he recomend to beat their wives! Its true that he conquered against his enemies and won the wars. Maybe your mind is intoxicated or you have read the hadith and sunna instead of the koran. He is a true believer and a conquerer and he is supported by Allah the lord of the universe.
I humbly submit that you should reread the Koran. I am not even a believer and have obviously spent more time with your scripture than you.
Rather telling that the genocide and murder did not offend you.
This is not a genocide or murder this is the art of conquering! Can u explain the loss of many innocent civillian lives during the raids in wars that happens nowadays! I have read the koran many times! "We have permitted the enemies of every prophet-human and jinn devils- to inspire in each other fancy words, in order to deceive. Had your lord willed,they would not have it. You shall disregard them and their fabrications. " Quran 6:112
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Please, please read the koran carefully
Let me quote, as the Taliban would, or as Haquanni would:
Qur'an (38:44) - "And take in your hand a green branch and beat her with it, and do not break your oath..." Allah telling Job to beat his wife
The introduction emphasized the husband's superiority over the wife. 4:34 starts by establishing that precedent. The beginning states: men are "superior", men have "authority", men are "in charge", etc. Muhammad placed the man over the wife; he is her custodian and she obeys him. Then the Quran proceeds to lay out their respective roles, then lists a progression of steps to be followed when dealing with a rebellious wife:
admonish them: The husband is to verbally admonish her
send them to beds apart: If that fails the husband is to sexually desert his wife
beat them: If both measures above fail the husband is commanded to beat his wife.
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Please, please read the koran carefully
Let me quote, as the Taliban would, or as Haquanni would:
Qur'an (38:44) - "And take in your hand a green branch and beat her with it, and do not break your oath..." Allah telling Job to beat his wife
The introduction emphasized the husband's superiority over the wife. 4:34 starts by establishing that precedent. The beginning states: men are "superior", men have "authority", men are "in charge", etc. Muhammad placed the man over the wife; he is her custodian and she obeys him. Then the Quran proceeds to lay out their respective roles, then lists a progression of steps to be followed when dealing with a rebellious wife:
admonish them: The husband is to verbally admonish her
send them to beds apart: If that fails the husband is to sexually desert his wife
beat them: If both measures above fail the husband is commanded to beat his wife.
(1) The prophet had 9 wives but not more than 4 at a point of time. His community had offered the best women of Arab to restrain him from preaching Islam, but he did not accept. Only one of his wives was virgin and others were widowed, or socially distressed. Some of the marriages were for political reasons. He was the one who said that, nobody will enter the heaven without his wife's approval. Who said that, your wife is your outfit.. and you is your wife's outfit. You both have rights on each other.
(2) He said to beat wife occasionally without no reason? You are saying that is a verse of Quran? Tell me the truth, in which Surah or Ayah (number of verse) you got that?
(3) You are talking about slaves? In fact, the prophet freed the slaves of that time, theoretically and practically. He strongly forbade us to make someone into slave, and that is why the slave business decreased day by day and later, it was eliminated. He ordered us to give one's slaves exactly what (s)he use.. like food and clothing. Do you know who was Jaid? He was a boy bought by the prophet as slave, but later he made him his son.
(4) He was a war criminal??? every single war with quraish (the then Mecca people) was started by quraish. Namely, the war of badr, Uhod, Khandak, the quraish attacked Medina to kill the prophet and eliminate Islam. And what genocide in Mecca you are talking about? When the prophet was entering Mecca, he commanded everyone not to kill. However, some of his followers were got so much angry for the past outrages of Mecca people on them, and they took their revenge. But the prophet, in a congregation, forgave everyone in Mecca, even the woman who violently killed his uncle Hamza and chewed his heart. And that's why people of Mecca were attracted to Islam. Now tell me where you got the "genocide" thing? Where do you celebrate that?
You are repeatedly saying that you have read the "entire" Quran. I dont know where did you get "that" version of Quran. Criticism is good. But criticism without knowing facts is bad. And criticism without knowing facts and pretending that you know facts is worse!
Sure! That's what happens when you read a translated thing!
I am not a scholar, nor have I read it in most of a decade. I am absolutely positive about the wife beating though. I remember an exhortation to beat them, another to limit ones violence in beating them and the third I found so hilarious I quoted it verbatim to my wife. It truly did exhort beating ones wife occasionally without cause to prevent haughtiness and pride. My wife remembers it as well. She comes from a partly Muslim nation and gave me the death glare as I was giggling.
I will freely admit that for his time his ethics were superior to his fellow countrymen. You could argue he introduced rule of law to the region. But his treatment on non Muslims is atrocious and his admonishments to murder idolaters like myself is truly unacceptable in modernity. The first group he genocidally wiped out was a small tribe of Jews surrounding Medina. The temple under Mecca is the most obvious example of a wiped out culture. I consider a woman purchased as a concubine a sex slave and man who sells the wives of his conquered enemies for profit is even worse. That is my projection of modern moral standards on a historical figure. I know that is considered dubious by many. I personally wouldn't create a religion around such a great man because of his love of violence. The horrors of war are romanticized in the Koran. The world really does not need more of that IMO.
But when it comes to corporate imperialism Islam is the last ideology standing. I apologize for any complicity I have in the reradicalization of Islam. I respect your culture and it's high degree of honour. The West has exploited you and for that I am truly sorry. If I had any power to right these wrongs I would.
if slavery is forbidden, why are there slaves in Saudi Arabia?
here is another censored and brain washed ??????
Quote form your Prophet's time:
"After a continuous siege of 25 days, the Banu Qurayza Jews surrendered to Prophet Muhammad unconditionally. Muhammad ordered that the men be handcuffed, while the women and children were isolated in confinement. Thereupon Al-Aws tribe interceded begging the Prophet to be lenient towards them. Muhammad suggested that Sa'd bin Mu'adh, a former ally, be deputed to give verdict about them, and they agreed.
Sa'd bin Mu'adh was the leader of a large Medinan tribe, the Aws (or Aus), some of whom favored old alliances with the Jews. The leader was an elderly man who was seriously wounded in the battle of trench (Source: Ibn Ishaq, p. 462; Watt, Muhammad at Medina, pp. 188-89; 214-17). Sa'd gave the verdict that, "that all the able-bodied (adult) male persons belonging to the tribe should be killed, women and children taken prisoners and their wealth divided among the Muslim fighters." Compassionate Prophet Muhammad answers in endorsement of this: "You have given the judgement of Allah above the seven heavens...", (Source: Ibn Ishaq, pp. 463-64; Tabari vol. 8, p. 34)."
The women and children were sold as slaves . The men were killed after they laid down their arms.
How Many Iranians know Arabic? - they must all be wrong. This goes for all non-Arabic people PLUS it also goes for the fringes of Arabia. ( Morocco, Algeria Mauritania etc etc etc.
You have just pointed a a very major problem in the Islamic countries..
I just can not believe how little thinking and knowledge goes in Islamic answers. !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Hadith were compiled a few centuries after the death of the Prophet (pbuh) and his leading disciples. There are quite a bunch by different compilers. It is accepted principle, when anything from Hadith contrdicts Quran, Quran prevails.
The prophet had 13 wives. Their names were:
Khadija bint Khuwaylid
Sawda bint Zamʿa
Aisha bint Abi Bakr
Hafsa bint Umar
Zaynab bint Khuzayma
Hind bint Abi Umayya
Zaynab bint Jahsh
Juwayriyya bint al-Harith
Rayhana bint Zayd
Safiyya bint Huyayy
Ramla bint Abi Sufyan
Maria al-Qibtiyya
Maymuna bint al-Harith
On the subject of wife beating, it does not seem to be correct. In the Quran, Chapter 4 Verse 34 beating means a "light tap". On a more practical note, he had so many women to satisfy sexually, that beating was probably the last thing on his mind!!! According to the hadith, the prophet had a huge capacity for sex. Obviously he was great in bed - therefore, I do not think he had to ever resort to beating, unless it was part of foreplay in those days - e.g., whipping is part of the sexual act in many European countries!!!
Muslims use their gadgets in much the same way as everyone else: they text, they use social networks, they buy online.
You Dont say!! Who would believe Muslims are also human.
And your point was?
I think most people do say that Muslims are humans. But most of us think that they are warped.
How would you answer an Iraqui Sunni, who has just murdered 10 Shias who is justifying his action because the Shias have criticized your Prophet, - how would you ask him to never do it again?
don't tell me that they are not real muslims? that is what they say about you. Who is right and who is wrong?
BTW the Mufti of Egypt announced last year that the punishment for apostates is death - UNLESS their local preacher agrees with that conversion. How many local preachers will let go of any income?
Have you come up with any proof against this ?
The real problem of Islam, and the very basis of establishing Islam is that the religion NOR the Prophet should ever be criticized.
But they can criticize everyone else - not by word but by total destruction of their interests.
This is where they will have real problems - The Koran is in English and other languages. The narratives of the said prophet are easily seen everywhere.
Criticism is anonymous and openly seen - and easily backed by proof.
Can this man stand the heat of the kitchen?
Well can he?
Perhaps you have missed something, but it is the Muslim countries of Iraq, Afghanistan, Pakistan to some extent, that have faced 'total destruction' over the last decade at the hands of foreign armies, not the other way around.
Dogma is present in all religions: take the survival of the caste system in India, propagated by the Hindu religion and an institution for millenia.
did you know that In all those countries, and by far, the hugh number of deaths are of Muslims by other Muslims.
Have you missed something there? Or are you like any other Muslim - some one else is to blame?
Incidentally - the caste system only exists in the most backward villages in India. With urbanisation it will be a lot like America. Your info. is at least 40 years behind.
In any case compare Pakistani genocide to India's overall peaceful nature.
@Bharat PP
Brother you are taking it waaaaaaaaaaaaaaaayyyyyyyyyyyyy tooooooooooooooo seriously.All i wanted to do was to make you read Quran and Sunnah. BAZINGA!!! I did it.
Some people have suggested factors such as having angry, violent and overly conservative parents, not being allowed to drink, and not being allowed to speak to women in real life may contribute to internet adoption. Crazy, I know.
Could these be a factor for Muslim internet adopters, rather than just a noble wish to challenge cultural conventions?
Yeah, that definitely is a factor. I hope you aren't suggesting it's the only one.
I don't think I have ever heard anything being called the only factor for a global trend, at best this is the main one. Though I do think my point is glaringly obvious and relevant, and this article disregarded it for fear it might possibly maybe be called offensive by someone. And something's gone very wrong when we disregard the obvious truth because it might be offensive
People compare religions.
Separate religions into two areas.
One type is the Proselytizing type.
The other one is the Non- proselytizing type.
The people who proselytize, surely feel insecure in their beliefs. They are the quintessential humans who need to make others believe in their ideas - to secure and support their own beliefs ( The crowd effect).
Over the centuries, these people have started wars. They have conquered and subjugated, killed and destroyed.
The people who do not need others to beleive in their Ideas do not conquer and subjugate.
BUT EVEN here there is One major difference. The Christians believe in the New Testament which leaves the Old testament behind and starts with a new philosophy of peace.
The Koran goes backwards. By word and deed of example from it's Prophet it does not believe that 'Allah' can be called anything else ( strange man - sticks and stones do hurt him).
They feel so insecure in their beliefs that they must address the issue by converting others ( Go back to the crowd effect).
However if their holly book sets an example of a non-changing world that needs wars and nothing for the women in heaven, then that is what they will do forever and ever.
Violence will always be ever present because to proselytize one has to follow the Prophet's example .
why would a superior being need five prayers a day - Unless HE feels very insecure ?
Bharat PP sorry to say u r ill informed about Islam
Please go through these links
On Women's
If your point about people trying to convert others to follow Islam is true because of their 'insecurities' then the number of insecure people I have met who are NON-muslims trying to convert me (e.g Hindus/Christians) is shockingly large.
People don't pray because they are insecure - they pray to feel closer to God or to thank God for what he has given. Someone praying five times a day is truly thankful.
Thank you Danish
I looked through your links and thetre seems to be no relationship to the subject.
(1) http://www.facebook.com/IslamDarshan/timeline?filter=1
This first link is about a dignified preacher of islam in north India.. No point made here that counters any of my arguments.
(2) http://www.positivemuslimah.com/
This second link is about the difficulties of the Englishmen who converted to Islam - No relationship to the base problems of Islam that I have already mentioned.
(3) the third link is about all the wonderful things about Islam - specially about the how good it is for women etc etc.
How do people forget some very important factors - no reward for women in heaven, 4 male Muslim witnesses for every rape otherwise the woman-victim is stoned to death.and 4 wives for each man - BUT never 4 husbands for each woman.
(4) the last one compares women in olden times. Roman and Islamic. This one is almost ridiculous. If you want go back in time - do so ( you already are) It has no bearing on what happens today.
You have produced nothing but waffle. If this is all the rationale that you can produce then you should change religions.( sorry - too risky)
Nonsense - people pray as often as makes tghem more secure - praying is just an insurance policy.
It is the proselytising that makes a religion insecure.
Most of all - it is the fact that Islam bans criticism of the said-prophet that makes it very insecure.
Why does he feel that Christians or Hindus or Buddhists can question their leaders without repercussions?
Have you heard of a Hindu killing a Dutchman because the Prophet h as been criticised.
I have seen millions of cartoons of Hindu divinities and no repercussions.
I do not believe that Burma has used any blasphemy to kill a person . Nor do they use these laws against some one who mocks Buddha.
In real life I would like to convert you to my way of thinking because I feel more secure in all my beliefs if you believe in the same.
In fact that Prophet killed hundreds of thousands because they did not share his faith.
Interesting analysis - however, I believe that the conclusions that you have drawn are erroneous. All 3 Abrahamic faiths (Christianity, Islam and Judaism) are full of violence and hatred. There are subtle differences. For example, take the 3 major prophets - their roles in society were slightly different. Jesus was a "pure prophet" - he preached the word of God and did noble deeds - he did not get involved in running a state. Moses and Mohammad went beyond their role as prophets - they chose to become law-givers and law-makers. Therein lies the problem for all the Jews and the Muslims - i.e., because some of the "legal precedents" that they established were far from secular, and these precedents are a huge burden for their current followers to carry. Between these two, Moses was a much more violent man - he had committed a murder as well. Mohammad was a true Semite - deeply interested in money and running the state, including the economy. In my view, Haj was declared to be a "pillar of Islam" mainly for economic reasons - i.e., as a fiscal deficit reduction tool so that Muslims would come from far and wide to spend money in Mecca and Medina. Nobody in their right mind would ever go to Saudi Arabia (it is an awful place) - therefore, the holy book declared it to be compulsory!!! Therefore, out of the 3 holy books, the New Testament is the most peaceful, the Old Testament is the most violent and the Quran is preoccupied with day-to-day affairs, including economic matters (e.g., in many cases, Islamic was spread through trade and commerce - in the Far East, Africa, etc.
On the Evangelical role of religions, I agree with you. They are all guilty of trying to convert others. But here the position is very different - in the modern era (e.g., for the past 4-5 centuries), the followers of Jesus (truly a "man of peace") have been the most violent. As you have said in your comment that "they feel so insecure in their beliefs that they must address the issue by converting others" - I agree. However, in the case of Christian proselytizing, they took it to a new (horrific) level - i.e., mass conversion coupled with genocide, murder and the extermination of local populations. You merely have to read modern history - e.g., the "conquest" of North America by the Anglo-Saxons, and the "conquest" of South America by the Spanish - whole communities and "continents" were conquered and (in most cases) their local population was murdered. The role model of a "peaceful religion" is Buddhism - I have never met a Buddhist monk (and I met have dozens) who has tried to "convert" anybody. They are very peaceful and they do not ever denounce other people and their faiths - tolerance of the Buddhist kind is what is required in the 21st century.
Thanks for your wonderful incite BJP.
I'm glad this forum provided you an avenue to show just how informed you are about the religion of Islam.
Behind every conquistador there was the Christian priests on their "Missions". Does this make them insecure...but you imply they are not because they created the "New Testament".
Allah translates to "God".
The many "deities" of Hinduism, for example, are not many names for the same deity, they are many deities.
I am no defender of hinduism - Athough I am one.
The problem is when you say that they are not many names for the same deity.
You certainly have a problem. It states it very clearly in the 'Gita' - that god goes by a million names - sticks and stone do not hurt him.
I have read your comment twice but i was unable to understand what are you trying to say.
"BUT EVEN here there is One major difference. The Christians believe in the New Testament which leaves the Old testament behind and starts with a new philosophy of peace."
So you are saying that new testament is preaching new philosophy which is very different from old testament so new testament has totally changed christian religion to a peaceful religion because the old testament was not peaceful enough.I am a christian converted to Islam and I know for a fact that this is not true.Christianity was a very peaceful religion since the day it was completed.
Please tell me how Quran goes backwards because I cant seem to understand you argument "By word and deed of example from it's Prophet it does not believe that 'Allah' can be called anything else ( strange man - sticks and stones do hurt him)" How is this sentence in any way means that Quran goes backwards.
"However if their holly book sets an example of a non-changing world that needs wars and nothing for the women in heaven, then that is what they will do forever and ever."
Please share where it written even once in Quran that their will be non changing world and women will not get anything in heaven.
I challenge you to prove your statement about women and non changing world and I will convert back to Christianity right here on economist blogs.
Your argument is based on very common misconceptions about Islam.I would suggest you to start getting your facts straight before asking questions to others.
Dont forget to reply.
As a start you should know what you have converted tgo - then you would not be asking me all these questions.
But I will answer you.We will go past Christianity because we both agree that it is a peaceful religion.
About allah - What sort of an imbecile is a man who insists that everyone should call him by just the one man ? To most people this sounds somewhat immature.
Immature indeed when you are not allowed to eat pork and pray five times a day.
What Kudos does anyone get out of some one else praying five times a day to him... All I have seen is these same people killing the shias and ahmedias ( They have already used our little david in Australia to shoot accross the Kashmir line - and he is a convert.)
A non-changing world... Here is a good one. Your one and only Allah lay the rules down in your holy book. This does not allow you to reproduce the image of a human.
So why do you take photographs? Please don't give me all that rubbish about the Koran forbidding this act.
In fact the rules in the Koran are very clear - so clear that Hindu girls in Pakistan are abducted, and tied down in a room and forcefully converted to Islam.
Ask why in a very peaceful nation like Myanmar they still hate the Rohingyas.
When rules are laid down so clearly it leads to a non-changing world where conversion is the way to heaven.
The Koran is backward because it insists that Muslims can not change their religions on the pain of death.
The Koran is backwards because it does not promise 72 virgin boys and 28 young boys to women - only to men0 In fact the Koran is riddled with sexual innuendos ( these express themselves in regular kidnappings and such fiascoes as the young girls in the Uk being molested by Muslim men)
BUt most of all the Koran is backwards because it insists on stoning a woman to death if she claims Rape without the consent of 4 MUSLIM men.( ever tried to find 4 MUSLIM men who have witnessed a rape? Allah bless you if you ever do.
Just as bad is the fact that Sharia law gives no credence to Non-Muslims and half the weight to women.
It is backwards because in Islam, as per the statics in TE Islamic people rarely read books.
It is backwards because Islam is totally non-innovative.
BUT, and this might be why you became a Muslim, it is backwards because you follow the prophet's example and conduct wars, and marry 7 year old girls.
The last sentence attests to the fact that you are now converting a lot of pedophiles to Islam. Perhaps 95% of the converts?
Misconceptions? - Totally Islamic - How can the masses understand the Koran in arabic ? This is how it is always taught.
In fact you are probably under a misconception.
I will be surprised if you answer rationally
Find it hard to beleive that I am conversing with some one so rationally.
Agree with you on most things . The one point that clinches everything is the economics part of the budgetary solutions.
In the part of the world where i originated they converted by conquest and subjugation.
Further conquests got them more taxes from non Islamic people
In fact this brought down Islam. Because to increase their budgetary intake, they had to conquer more and more.
But very few Islamic people are entrepreneurial and so when they often converted non-Islamic people to Islam they lost the extra tax.
How silly can you get ?
In hinduism - I have yet to see people who want to convert others. It is not in their philosophy.
Budhism is the same - it is a derivative of Hinduism.
"About allah - What sort of an imbecile is a man who insists that everyone should call him by just the one man ?"
I dont know What does this sentence mean?I am unable to answer it rationally.Lols
I dont know how are you under the misconception that people will take your words as they are without any proof.Where in sharia law it is written that 4 men Muslim witnesses are required to prove a rape.Please give a reference.4 witnesses are not even required for proving a murder you stupid.and where it is written that women in heaven will not have 72 men in heaven please share a reference.They will be given an option to remain with there husbands or have as many men of their choice as they want.
We can not reproduce the image of a human so it means we are backward and want non changing world????? What kind of logic is this??Lols I mean how am I supposed to answer is rationally.In Hinduism Cows are holly so does that mean hindus are backward.Brother their are dos and donts in every religion.
The Koran is backward because it insists that Muslims can not change their religions on the pain of death.
FYI Muslims can not only change their religion while facing death they can admit to whatever the oppressor wants.so once again get your facts straight.
"Misconceptions? - Totally Islamic - How can the masses understand the Koran in arabic ? This is how it is always taught.
In fact you are probably under a misconception."
Who told you that Quran is always taught in arabic it is taught in every language of the world I am a living example I dont know arabic I have studied Quran.
So Brother my challenge still stands you were unable to prove any of your statement about women and non changing world.Provide a reference nobody is going to take your word for it.
Bukhari (84:57) - "[In the words of] Allah's Apostle, 'Whoever changed his Islamic religion, then kill him.'"
Qur'an (4:89) - "They but wish that ye should reject Faith, as they do, and thus be on the same footing (as they): But take not friends from their ranks until they flee in the way of Allah (From what is forbidden). But if they turn renegades, seize them and slay them wherever ye find them"
Or from Wikepedia
Most interpretations (or ways of understanding Sharia) do not allow Muslims to convert to other religions. This is strictly forbidden, and is called apostasy. In Muslim theology, apostasy is equal to treason. In most interpretations of Sharia, the punishment for apostasy is death.
the koran is alwys taught in arabic. Go to any madrassa and you will have to recite the koranic in arabic.
A 19 year old girl was gang raped repeatedly by six momins in Saudi Arabia recently and was given a punishment of 200 lashes and six months prison ( the punishment was increased because it was a gang rape)
Bukhari (5:59:462) - The background for the Qur'anic requirement of four witnesses to adultery. Muhammad's favorite wife, Aisha, was accused of cheating [on her polygamous husband]. Three witnesses corroborated the event, but Muhammad apparently did not want to believe it, and so established the arbitrary rule that four witnesses are required.
none of these words are mine - all from official texts.
BUT I am wondering why you don't know ?
It is common knowledge for everyone else.
I am sorry but I can not stoop to your language level.
All this could have been done by you - But thank you for letting me show the whole world the barbarism of Islam
I urge you to stop debating with our Hindu friend here. Not that you are not making good points, or anything like that. It just isn't worth it. After all, the Koran does say there will be those who choose to be blind, deaf, and ignorant to the truth and will never return to a true path. Sorry to say, but Bpp seems to be one of those people. Not because he's not Muslim, that has nothing to do with it. It is because he chooses to mis-interperate things meant to guid us Muslims. Then he chooses to use these mis-interpretations to spread lies and hate about Islam and its followers on sites like TE.
It should be noted that the Prophet (PBUH) made his first peace treaty with the pagans of Mecca, after fleeing to Medina. A condition (demanded by the pagans) was that the Prophet would not allow any converts from Mecca enter Medina; however, people that wish to convert out of Islam and return to Mecca, were allowed to do so. The Prophet agreed.
One of the Surahs (surat Kafiroon) says, "Leave them to their religion, and you keep yours," this is God specifically talking to "All Believers." All believers in our religion means Jews, Christians, and Muslims. If you want more proof of how true Islam calls for toleration, just google the letter that the Prophet wrote to the St. Catherine's church in Egypt. Or the letter that the Jews in Spain wrote the Muslims, asking them to invade Spain to free them from the persecution that the Spanish Monarchy was putting the Jews under.
He was right about one thing, the Koran is usually taught in Arabic. That is because of the complexity of the language. It is very difficult to translate Arabic into any other language. However, you can get pretty close, and the various translations are a great way for anyone from a non-Arabic speaking background can learn about the Koran, just make sure you know and trust who is translating it.
I am luck to be from a Arabic background, and I can tell you right now, the Arabic version can be very easily mis-translated.
Anyway, I hope you take my advice, don't try to convince anyone of anything they are already convinced of. If Bpp chooses to open his mind, he will see things differently. Nothing you or I can say or do will change him. I mean think about it, if the three main prophets (Moses, Jesus, and Mohammed; PBUT) couldn't change the majority of the world, what chance do we have?
May god bliss your intelligent mind .
Inherent in some of the comments here are fundamental misunderstandings of the nature of Christianity.
Firstly, regardless of whether you believe Jesus was God incarnate, a prophet the like of Abraham or Moses or Noah or even Mohammed, a religious reformer or just a nice guy with some cool ideas, one thing is certain: he was born and brought up in the Jewish tradition – like any good Jewish boy he knew, he knew the teachings, the prophecies and the writings, (the Torah, the Nabim and the Ketubim): This is what Christians call the Old Testament – Roman Catholics add a couple of books.
Secondly, Jesus did not set out to start a new religion: 'Do not imagine that I have come to abolish the Law or the Prophets. I have come not to abolish but to complete them." (Matthew 5:17). It is clear from the gospels that he was essentially a reformer who challenged the leadership of the Temple in Jerusalem to end their corrupt practices, their nitpicking about the law and their politicking. He may have been an Essene, he may have been a Zealot. It is not clear from the historical recortd.
Thirdly, whatever about Islamic notions of the Injil, the entirety of the New Testament is a record of early Christian writing, not the record. The accepted canonical four gospels are essentially two biographies of Jesus, three of which are more historical (and probably have a single source) one of which more mystical – if Jesus ever wrote anything it has not survived; the non- canonical gospels are broadly in agreement with the canonical.
Fourthly, the rituals of the universal Church are derived directly from the rituals of the Jewish Temple.
In short early Christianity was a sect of Judaism. What Jesus did was argue that the whole of Jewish law could be reduced to one principle: Love God, Love Mankind - in loving God you submit yourself, you obey, you do his will; in loving makind you show love for God, you seek justice and you seek compassion.
Whether you are allowed to turn the lights on on the Sabbath or beat your wife is actually immaterial if either of them show a lack of love.
My second point:
Islam has ossified; what was once a religion that loved science has become a religion which denies it - I blame the trauma of the crusades and the loss of confidence that came with defeat, followed by introspection which concluded, wrongly in my view, that God had abandoned Islam because Muslims had abandoned God.
By the way Al-lah means the God and there is ample evidence (gathered before the Saudi's stopped any examination) that the Ka'aba was, in pre-Islamic times,a temple housing among others, a moon Godess, whose symbol was a crescent moon, and holy stones that fell from heaven (meteorites), one of which is lodged in the wall of the Ka'aba. There is also ample evidence of pilgrimage to Mecca to viist this shrine and perambulate around it.
And there is also a strong argument to be made that Islam is derived from the monophysite heresy.
If the reform of Islam follows the path of the reform of Chritianity, the great schism already reflected in the Shia/ Sunni split, then the next few centuries will be very difficult for Muslims.
But if the impact of mobile technology on Islam is the same as the impact of the printing press on Christianity, in the long term, taht will be "a good thing"
Thank you for your comment. Rationality is the enemy of all religions. You speak about "conquest and subjugation". Actually in your part of the world, the reverse is true. The first Indian Muslims were traders - Malabar - around 625 AD. The bulk of the conversions in your country were done by Sufi Muslims. People like Bulleh Shah, Data Ganj Baksh, Moinuddin Chishti. These guys were very secular and preached through love and superior human values. The conversions from Hinduism were primarily as a result of a revulsion against the very rigid caste system imposed by the Brahmins. I do not know what your religion is. However, in my view, the very rigid caste system was responsible for an erosion of the moral high ground in Hinduism. A revulsion against the caste system led (directly and indirectly) to the growth of Christianity, Islam, Buddhism and Sikhism in India. Your next point is about the lack of an entrepreneurial culture in Islam. That is perhaps true in your country, but global it is an incorrect view. Most of the Arabs are Semitic people - trading is in their blood. An example is Dubai. That place has no oil - and, yet, it is a very fast growing economy. The fastest growing economies in Asia are Turkey, Malaysia and Indonesia - all Muslim countries. In fact, in the Middle Eastern countries, there are over 6 million Indian Hindus working, many of them in senior positions. And yet, you think Muslims are narrow-minded?? I have read many of your comments - it seems that your prejudices are very deep-rooted, and they cloud your judgement. As you observe, I am very rational - it might be a good idea if you were to look at the global picture in a more rational way - and recognize that all religions (including Hinduism) spread hate. Some more (e.g., Judaism) and more less (e.g., Confucianism). Human (and national) interaction can be greatly improved and enhanced by reading history - and avoiding all the mistakes made over the centuries!!!
If only they read and undertand the quran then they will find out whether they are truly a muslim. A true muslim only worship allah without idolizing any of his prophets and to uphold only the quran alone!
Muhamad did not kidnap or nor marry a child. A true muslim only relied on the quran for guidance. I think u are completely lost! The majority of ' muslims' follow the book hadith and sunna which is a book of blasphemy. Thats why they ended up doing the wrong things. U got it all wrong. However the cases of kidnapping and marrying young girls are in other religions too. But such things are not allowed if one is a true muslim and follow only the quran! Please do your research before saying things like an idiot!
So Muslim ummah has categories like Quran followers, Hadith followers, Sunna followers !!Like any other religion :) So Muslim Ummah indulge in all social crimes like other religions:) Seems True Muslims consider others Idiots!
you should talk to the Pakistanis - There is an article in Dawn newspaper on this very subject.
I don't believe it - another Islamic judge making decisions as to who is a Muslim and who is not. So how do you decide as to why and who you are allowed to kill.
How do the Pakistani Taliban decide as to which Shia group they should kill?
How do they, after praying five times, decide to kill off groups of Ahemedias?
AND how did they manage to get rid of 20% of their population that was not Islamic?
The true muslims are the ones who follow the teachings of the lord in the koran and worship him alone without mentioning other names during prayer. Allah has given the psalms to david, torah to moses, the injeel to jesus and finally the koran to muhammad. All teaches the same things .
It is clearly stated in the koran only those who follow the lord teachings in the koran and pray to him alone these are muslims. Eventhough they pray five times a day but idolize the prophets and follow the fake books hadith and sunna their prayers are invain. Dont compare muslims with these groups. They are far from the same. Koran teaches the humans not to trangress !
It is clearly stated in the koran only those who follow the lord teachings in the koran and pray to him alone these are muslims. Eventhough they pray five times a day but idolize the prophets and follow the fake books hadith and sunna their prayers are invain. Dont compare muslims with these groups. They are far from the same. Koran teaches the humans not to trangress !
@drbb, Sir you are very much incorrect, to be a Muslim the basic thing is to have absolute faith in the Creator, in our case we call Him Allah. It is the same in three monotheistic religions who have addressed mankind, bringing almost the same message, with a few reservations that are particularly related to rituals. That God is one and man should adore only one God, the Omnipotent and Omniscient, are common to all the three religions. The Day of Judgment is another common feature. Protection of human life and of the right of possession, sharing one's riches with the poor, seeking peace and justice, praise of God on every occasion, giving thanks to God and praying are some other points shared by these three religions. Hope it clears your understanding about Muslim.
Sir, Above I replied to comments of Mr Iownmoo. Coming to ur comments 1)which religion does not profess absolute faith in the creator ? 2)If all monotheistic religions preach almost same message, how is it that Koran is claimed to be direct message from Allah and Bible is not ? Does it mean Allah / God took inspiration by reading Bible and passed the same to Mohammad ? 3)If God is omnipotent and omniscient why cannot he manifest in different forms to human being? Is it because he was prohibited to do so by Mohammad ? 4) if protection of human life is common feature why u people keep killing each other ( in Iraq, Syria, Yemen..............) as well as killing people of other faiths ? Is ur God xenophobic ?5) Why should one keep praising God on every occasion? Does ur God (or the prophet who conceived ur Allah)suffer from inferiority complex? 6) what is ur understanding of peace and justice ? If Muslims, christians and Jews believe in peace and justice why is there so much bloodshed going on in those countries where they live? The world understands Muslims and Islam very well. Only the Muslims themselves are in denial mode.
Mohammad was a great leader - but, like a lot of great leaders in history he was a sex addict. He married a lot of women - including kids. He had a huge sexual appetite - many of us would be jealous. Sahih al-Bukhari, 1:5:268: Narrated Qatada: Anas bin Malik said, "The Prophet used to visit all his wives in a round, during the day and night and they were eleven in number." Clearly he was very fit as well and did not drink to keep up with his sexual needs - for 11 times a day (with different women), I would surely stop drinking!!!
Islam sounds like most fundamentalist religions: if they can't control something, they try to ban it.
Kind of like how France banned the burqa or Switzerland banned minarets? Fundamentalism exists everywhere and in many forms in today's world.
would you say that there is a difference of fundamentalism where they are peaceful, and elsewhere where they threaten or carry out death and destruction?
Technology has been historically used to further one's ideology/agenda/industry (in recent times, Fox/MSNBC to herd in political support, web browsers to promote the porn industry, the World Wide Web to connect radicals who would ordinarily have been isolated and impotent).
The last time around, Religion gained greatly by the printing press (making Bibles/other holy books relatively ubiquitous). It remains to be seen how the latest technological innovations (such as smartphone apps) impact religion.
(Technology has not necessarily benefited the industry or its users; TV has raised a generation of 'slow-thinkers', and the Web Browser has killed the porn industry by making content free).
It's nice that religions can use the web to spread their ideas and converse with their comunities. But when they actually start banning and blocking websites so they don't have to compete with outside thought... it gets a little oppressive.
Yes, because we all know that thanks to newsprint, cinema, and the radio the Germans a century ago ended up being a model of tolerance and humanism.
yes, and their problems started when no one could any longer criticize their leaders in print, cinema, radio. No questioning of dogma whatsoever.
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How long does it take for a star to be born? To date, only this much has been clear: longer than there have been humans on Earth with the technology to observe it. But the precise age of a star-forming cloud has now been determined by a team under the leadership of scientists at the University of Cologne using the GREAT spectrometer on board the SOFIA airborne observatory.
Before going into hibernation at 01:36 CET on 15 November 2014, the Philae lander was able to conduct some work using power supplied by its primary battery. With its 10 instruments, the mini laboratory sniffed the atmosphere, drilled, hammered and studied Comet 67P/ Churyumov-Gerasimenko while over 500 million kilometres from Earth.


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Derbyshire County Cricket Club has secured a major shirt sponsorship deal ahead of the 2013 season.
BuyMobiles.net, the UK's No.1 online mobile phone retailer, is already a sponsor of Derby County Football Club, and will now be displayed on the front of Derbyshire's Friends Life t20 shirts.
As well as giving the Alfreton-based company all-year-round publicity through televised national sport, the partnership announcement comes hot on the heels of Chairman Chris Grant's call to local businesses and the signing of world number two Test batsman Shivnarine Chanderpaul.
A magnificent response to the "Proud to be Derbyshire" membership campaign has helped Derbyshire register their 1,000th adult member for 2013.
Membership revenue is showing a whopping 101% increase on the corresponding date last year following promotion as champions to LV= County Championship Division One and the signing of the world's number two Test batsman, Shivnarine Chanderpaul.
The total figure for 2012 has already been trumped including 201 new members and 799 renewals to date who took advantage of an early bird incentive.
364 Juniors took advantage of free membership prior to 1st February to join and, with 132 Life Members, the club currently boasts a running total of 1,497 Members.
The Ambassador Initiative, which incentivises current Members to assist in recruitment with £50 cash back, has already reached its half-century and remains open to old and new members.
Chief Executive Simon Storey said: "Such impressive Membership results at such an early stage reflect a fantastic response from the Derbyshire public as we prepare for the new season.
"We are heading into the new season with a huge sense of ambition and we're keen to share our journey with as many people as possible across the county of Derbyshire.
"The eagerly awaited first home game of the season is against Nottinghamshire at the end of April and we expect to welcome many more members to the Club in the coming weeks.
"There is immense pride at the prospect of Derbyshire representing the county at the highest level of English cricket and there has never been a better time to get involved with the Club."
A full season's membership at Derbyshire giving unlimited access to all matches at Derby and Chesterfield costs just £175 whilst the new 6 pack ticket giving access to any six games at either venue costs only £55. Discounts are available for; senior citizens, NUS Card holding students, young adults aged 16-21 and those living more than 20 miles from the County Ground.
An exciting opportunity to develop your S&C in a dynamic, professional environment as a member of an ambitious team committed to achieving sustainable success for Cricket Derbyshire on and off the field.
Derbyshire County Cricket Club (DCCC) is one of only eighteen first-class counties and represents the City of Derby and wider County of Derbyshire on the national professional cricketing stage. The team was recently promoted as Champions to Division 1 of the LV= County Championship and boasts an exciting young squad augmented by senior professional players.
TODAY is the final day on which 2013 Membership of Derbyshire County Cricket Club can be purchased at Early Bird prices.
The Early Bird Price Freeze has proved to be immensely popular following promotion as Champions to Division One of the LV= County Championship and Membership is over 70% ahead of 12 months ago.
Full Membership at the Early Bird price equates to just £3.20 a day for all days of cricket at the County Ground and Queen's Park. Discounted rates are available for Senior Citizens, adults aged 16-21, students and those living 20+ miles from the County Ground. Junior Membership is FREE prior to the Early Bird deadline.
For those unable to attend regularly, the club has announced a new Six Pack ticket at just £55, which can be used for any six days of cricket during the 2013 season.
Derbyshire County Cricket Club's preparations for the 2013 season featured something of a twist on Tuesday morning.
Karl Krikken's men joined the first team squad of Derby County Football Club for a training session at Moor Farm.
The two local professional sporting outfits came together as one in a seven-a-side tournament of mixed teams, which was keenly contested, before the Cricketers were put through paces in a shooting session with first team coach Andy Garner.
Krikken said: "I'd like to thank Nigel and the Derby County lads for allowing us to join them for a training session.
His Grace the Duke of Devonshire was a very special guest at the County Ground last week; with Derbyshire's Patron meeting with both club officials and members of the playing staff.
The Duke was informed all about the club's vision for the future with Chairman Chris Grant, Chief Executive Simon Storey and Committee Member Brigadier Edward Wilkinson all in attendance.
The Duke was then brought up to speed with pre-season preparations as Derbyshire prepare for life in Division One of the LV=County Championship and witnessed the team training; paying particular interest to a fielding drill being conducted by Ali Evans, Tim Groenewald, Tony Palladino and Mark Turner.
Derbyshire's Early Bird Price Freeze on 2013 Membership has gone down a storm and now there are just TWO DAYS to take advantage as anticipation for the start of the club's LV=County Championship campaign gathers momentum.
The club has been delighted with the response following the release of the 2013 membership categories and prices and there is still time for supporters to take advantage of FROZEN PRICES on membership at the County Ground.
Despite Derbyshire's promotion to the top tier of the LV=County Championship, membership remains at 2012 prices for all who purchase membership before February 1st.
Read more: Just two days remaining to take advantage of the Early Bird Price Freeze
Derbyshire County Cricket Club (DCCC) is advertising the position of Media and Marketing Executive.
DCCC is one of the UK's 18 first-class counties. The team was recently promoted as champions to Division 1 of the LV= County Championship.
The Media and Marketing Executive will play an important role in the Club's ambitious plans for the future by driving engagement and consequently revenue through a variety of sources including Membership, Tickets, Hospitality, Sponsorship, Advertising, Conference & Events and Weddings.
Reporting directly to the Media and Marketing Manager, the successful candidate will be responsible for assisting with all areas of media, new media and marketing within the company.
Read more: Derbyshire County Cricket Club Vacancy: Media and Marketing Executive
The weather in the UK might be cold at the moment, but Derbyshire are counting on much better conditions when they fly out to Barbados for the club's pre-season tour in March of next year.
Derbyshire are set for a return to the Caribbean as Karl Krikken's men follow the same pre-season formula that worked so affectively ahead of the recent title-winning campaign.
The squad will make for the Caribbean on Monday, 11th March to return on Saturday, 23rd March after an intense period of warm weather preparation for the new season.
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The Harriman Lady Blue Devils bedeviled the Concord Christian School Lady Lions by a very decisive 81-19 margin Thursday evening.
The game was over quick as Harriman opened the game with a 33-4 run before the Lady Lions scored a 3-pointer to end the first period, making the score 33-7.
The glimmer of the Princess Theatre's lights will glow in holiday spirit when the Princess Theatre Foundation presents a showing of the classic holiday film "It's a Wonderful Life."
The Dec. 12 showing will be the first time in many years that the Princess, originally a movie theater, has shown a film. It was all made possible with a newly installed screen, thanks to fundraising efforts of the Princess Theatre Foundation.
"I think it is fantastic," Harriman City Councilman Chris Ahler said.
The Roane County Board of Education didn't select an architect at last Tuesday's special-called meeting.
But the board narrowed the field to Michael Brady Inc. and The Lewis Group.
"We'll do a more thorough interview with them pretty quickly," Board Chairman Mike "Brillo" Miller said.
Board members will interview representatives from both firms during a special-called session beginning at 6 p.m. Dec. 4.
Last Sunday Redd Hardy was ordained for a deacon at St. Mary's Missionary Baptist Church in Chattanooga, where he has been a member for a long time.
Herbert and Carolyn Griffin, Richard and Mary Hickey, Keith and Jill Johnson and Rosa Osborn of Harriman attended this service.
Deacon Hickey read the Scripture. Deacon Griffin gave the duty of a deacon and Carolyn gave encouraging expressions to her daughter, Redd's wife.
Robin's son Randy Shannon sang a melody of songs.
Rockwood head coach John Webb knew that if his football team was to win Friday's TSSAA Class 2A playoffs game at Oneida, it would happen only if his squad played a really good football game.
That didn't happen as turnovers, penalties and poor field position were the deciding factors in a 21-7 loss to the Indians.
Harriman City Council decided to wait until a city manager was hired before determining the city's future goals and direction.
Kevin Helms took the reins this month, and it looks like officials have decided to start the new calendar year by having the meeting in January.
"I think we ought to agree about a long range vision for the city," said Councilman Buddy Holley.
Holley said deciding on the city's identity is important to its future.
Former Rockwood Public Works Director Tom Pierce was accused of using city funds to make personal purchases in 2013.
He has yet to go to trial.
A continuance was granted Nov. 17, and the new trial date is set for March 31 in front of Judge Eugene Eblen.
"They need to go ahead and come out and get it over with," said Councilwoman Peggy Evans.
Evans said she was shocked when the accusations about Pierce emerged, and she called him immediately.
With one year still to play at Oliver Springs, Courtney Jones is already regarded as one of the best players to ever play softball in Roane County.
After this year, she will see if she can have the same success in college, as Friday afternoon the Lady Bobcat senior signed scholarship papers with Tennessee Wesleyan College in Athens.
Hundreds of people who might otherwise go hungry enjoy the traditional fare of Thanksgiving thanks to the efforts of Kingston Police Department and Hands of Mercy Food Bank.
"It is a whole lot of work, but it is all worth it," said Kingston Police Chief Jim Washam.
This year, 800 Roane County families will be fed thanks to the annual food drive, which is in its sixth year.
On Wednesday, Nov. 26, cars will line up along Hwy. 70 as they make their way to Kingston City Park, where the food is distributed.
The father accused of starving his 2-year-old son to death is now on his third attorney.
A. Philip Lomonaco of Knoxville filed a notice with the court last week that he's now serving as the attorney for Matthew Dotson. Dotson's previous attorney, Kent Booher, was suspended by the Tennessee Supreme Court in October for pleading guilty to two counts of statutory rape in Loudon County Criminal Court.
Booher took over as Dotson's attorney after Joseph Lodato was allowed to withdraw from the case in July 2013.
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