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PITTSBURGH -- The storybook ending for Chipper Jones would have been putting a fastball into the Allegheny River.
At age 40, however, Jones doesn't try to mash the baseball so much as massage it. Instead, the Atlanta Braves third baseman had to settle for bookending his 19-year career with pinch-hit singles.
Jones rapped an A.J. Burnett pitch to right field in his final regular season at-bat and the Atlanta Braves beat the Pittsburgh Pirates 4-0 on Wednesday.
"I'd like to thank A.J. for coming right at me," Jones said with a laugh after collecting the 2,726th and final regular-season hit of his 19-year career.
Jones entered as a pinch hitter in the sixth. Batting left-handed, he took the first pitch he saw from Burnett and laced it to the outfield, proving a nice bit of symmetry. Jones singled in the first at-bat of his career against Cincinnati on Sept. 14, 1993.
"I got to go out the same way I came in," Jones said.
The Braves ended 1993 in the World Series, though Jones didn't play. They're hoping to do the same after grabbing the top wild-card spot. Atlanta hosts defending world champion St. Louis on Friday, with the winner advancing to the division series.
"Now we've got to get over this one-game playoff thing to give ourselves a legitimate shot at what we were all shooting for out of spring training," Jones said.
While Jones is heading to the postseason, Atlanta pitcher Ben Sheets is almost certainly not. Still, the veteran right-hander who has been dogged by injuries in recent years was able to go out on his own terms.
Sheets pitched one scoreless inning in what he's said will be his final major league appearance, striking out two -- including Pittsburgh star Andrew McCutchen -- while hitting 96 mph on the radar gun.
"It felt great," Sheets said. "It was as good as anything I could probably draw up."
Sheets is unlikely to be placed on Atlanta's postseason roster, but with a playoff spot secure and nothing really to lose, the Braves sent the four-time All-Star to the mound one last time. He needed just a couple minutes to get loose and when he walked back to the dugout after three quick outs, he knew he was done.
Asked if he'd consider sticking around to find a spot in a bullpen somewhere, Sheets just smiled and said, "dude, I'm good."
So are the 94-win Braves, who are heading into the postseason with some momentum after a stunning collapse last fall forced them to watch the playoffs on television.
Instead of swooning down the stretch this year, they've surged. Atlanta is 20-10 since Sept. 1.
"A little bit different than last year as I recall," Jones said. "I think we'll look back on (last) September as a learning experience. No better example of that than the way we played this September."
Jason Heyward singled twice and scored two runs for the Braves while Luis Avilan (1-0) won on a day Atlanta used eight pitchers to hold Pittsburgh to four hits.
"We got some stuff accomplished today and we got the win," said Braves manager Fredi Gonzalez. "A lot of good stuff."
Burnett (16-10) gave up four runs in 5 2-3 innings for Pittsburgh. The Pirates finished 79-83, extending their record streak of losing seasons to 20.
"We needed to win our games," manager Clint Hurdle said. "Our goal was to win more games."
A regular-season finale that looked like it might be important a month ago had a decidedly spring training feel after the Pirates collapsed down the stretch.
Pittsburgh was 62-46 on Aug. 8 but finished on a 17-37 slide, though the team's 79 wins tied for the most since the infamous streak began following a loss to the Braves in the 1992 NL championship series.
"You have to try and take some positives from it," said McCutchen, who hit .327 this season to finish second behind San Francisco's Buster Posey for the NL batting title. "Every year is hard to take when you don't end up where you want to be. Every year is tough."
Maybe none, however, were more painful than this one. The Pirates were the talk of baseball over the summer behind a pitching staff that flourished behind Burnett, who embraced the roll of ace the team desperately needed. He won eight straight decisions in the spring but tailed off over the final two months and couldn't avoid his fifth loss in his six starts, though he exited to a warm ovation.
"I thought he had an exceptional season," Hurdle said of Burnett. "He took ownership of the trade, the career, the opportunity to re-ignite himself."
NOTES: The Pirates drew 2,091, 918 to PNC Park this season, the second-highest total in team history. The average attendance of 26,149 was up from 23,956 in 2011 ... The Braves will start RHP Kris Medlen (10-1, 1.57 ERA) Friday against Kyle Lohse (16-3, 2.86) ... The Pirates open the 2013 season at home on April 1 against the Chicago Cubs.
Copyright 2012 by The Associated Press
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174 of 194 people found the following review helpful
5.0 out of 5 stars a unique opportunity to meet religion as it really is & is becoming
Most Americans are aware that recent decades have been a time of change in religious belief, behaving, and belonging. Most who read this blog have some knowledge of varying aspects of these shifts. Few people understand how the many trends are linked and fewer still grasp how this looks within the context of church history. Diana Butler Bass draws on her rich...
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67 of 84 people found the following review helpful
1.0 out of 5 stars Same coin, opposite side
This author makes several interesting points about the recent shifts in American religious affiliation, but quickly devolves into a hypocritical tirade against conservative Christians, and conservatives in general. I'm neither politically or religiously conservative (I'm not even Christian), but I expect a little intellectual integrity from an author of Mrs. Bass'...
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174 of 194 people found the following review helpful
5.0 out of 5 stars a unique opportunity to meet religion as it really is & is becoming,
This review is from: Christianity After Religion: The End of Church and the Birth of a New Spiritual Awakening (Hardcover)
Most Americans are aware that recent decades have been a time of change in religious belief, behaving, and belonging. Most who read this blog have some knowledge of varying aspects of these shifts. Few people understand how the many trends are linked and fewer still grasp how this looks within the context of church history. Diana Butler Bass draws on her rich experiences as a researcher, consultant, subject matter expert, and perpetual student of the topic to craft a book that is sure to become the starting point for conversation in the academy, the church, and even in the many communities that together comprise our culture.
Christianity After Religion is a three part story that is designed to be read sequentially:
*Part 1, "The End of Religion," considers the changes within the framework of decline of traditional measures, primarily focusing on the last decade. Rather than simply recounting polls and popular opinion, Diana Butler Bass explores the deeper issues they suggest. (Readers will identify with their own life experiences while simultaneously better understanding the religious world in which they live.)
*Part 2, "A New Vision," captures the many and varied efforts to reshape Christianity for the future. These efforts have been underway for decades yet clarity, much less unity, remains elusive. Butler Bass proposes that new visions must end the centuries old approach of believing, behaving, and belonging in favor of the more ancient order: belonging, behaving, and believing.
*Part 3, "Awakening," moves from possibility to practice by arguing that the current experiences are a Fourth Great Awakening. By way of comparison with the first three Great Awakenings, the fourth seems enough like the previous to warrant the label yet dissimilar enough to warrant being considered the Fourth Great Awakenings (plural) or the Great Global Awakening to note its spiritual emphasis and impact on multiple religions.
While I regularly recommend books to specific people, I rarely recommend a book to everyone. As one who often writes and speaks about the decline of the mainline and the larger issue of religious change, I know that this topic is of incredible importance to those within the church (and those within the traditional structures of their religious traditions) and of incredible interest to those who are spiritual yet exist primarily or exclusively apart from the dominant religious structures from previous generations. Wherever you are on your spiritual and/or religious journey, I encourage you to read this text. If you engage it fully then discuss it with others, you will find many benefits including an enriched perspective on your experiences, a better understanding of the experiences of others, and an increased willingness to live your faith fully in the present while making time to glance at the past and look into the future.
So What?
The change is not just past or future; it is now. It is being performed today and every day. Diana Butler Bass explains:
The new global Great Awakening is not contained by the stage of the local Congregational church, in small groups, at camp meetings or tents, or at Pentecostal tabernacles or progressive political meetings. The awakening is being performed in the networked world, where the border between sacred and secular has eroded and where the love of God and neighbor - and the new vision of belonging, behaving, and believing - is being staged far beyond conventional religious communities. Although churches seem the most natural space to perform spiritual awakening, the disconcerting reality is that many people in Western society see churches more as museums of religion that sagred stage that dramatize the movement of God's spirit (p. 258)
88 of 97 people found the following review helpful
5.0 out of 5 stars Insightful and practical!,
This review is from: Christianity After Religion: The End of Church and the Birth of a New Spiritual Awakening (Hardcover)
If I didn't have a sermon to write I would have finished this one in one sitting. I've liked all of Diana's book, but this one takes her to new territory and explores issues that are at the heart of what I'm about in ministry. The historical framework about awakenings she uses provides a helpful perspective on what is going on in the world today. It presents an incredible challenge to those of us, like myself, who have spent their lives in the church, but see the need now for something far different from what we have been and been about. It's in no way a "how-to" book, but it is ultimately an extremely practical book - one that will provide the insight and perspective needed to work on the how-to's in whatever setting we find ourselves.
67 of 84 people found the following review helpful
1.0 out of 5 stars Same coin, opposite side,
This review is from: Christianity After Religion: The End of Church and the Birth of a New Spiritual Awakening (Hardcover)
This author makes several interesting points about the recent shifts in American religious affiliation, but quickly devolves into a hypocritical tirade against conservative Christians, and conservatives in general. I'm neither politically or religiously conservative (I'm not even Christian), but I expect a little intellectual integrity from an author of Mrs. Bass' standing.
On several occasions she lampoons the religious right for their mixing of religious and political beliefs, but then goes on to do the same with her own beliefs and holds the result up as something completely different. Apparently we are supposed to accept that Christ identifies with modern, elitist liberalism while being offended that conservative evangelicals claim Christ's blessing upon their narrow dogmatism.
It's strange that so much of the book revolves around politics. The author seems incapable of separating them from the religious sphere - so much so that she calls the Tea Party a religious movement. Again, I'm not a conservative. I don't like the Tea Party's brand of social conservatism. At the same time, I'm willing to state my differences of opinion with their policy choices without blatantly inventing nonsense about them. What shocked me most was where on page 251 Mrs. Bass equates the Tea Party (who have never, as far as I know, committed violence) with terrorists, African religious fundamentalists who kill homosexuals and torture children, and religious dictators, among others. You can disagree with somebody as much as you want, but such accusations are truly absurd.
She also goes on to quote a friend as saying that "This is the worst version of religious and political hatred in American history for at least one hundred and fifty years." Tell that to the African Americans who suffered under the disenfranchisement Jim Crow and terror of lynching campaigns. A comment like that can only come from somebody completely out of touch with reality. That Mrs. Bass could repeat it in good faith is beyond me.
This isn't to say that the book doesn't have any merit. It does, but all of its finer points come toward the beginning. The rest is a sad exercise in the pot calling the kettle black.
15 of 17 people found the following review helpful
5.0 out of 5 stars worthwhile read,
James C. Schultz (Lake Ronkonkoma, NY) - See all my reviews
This review is from: Christianity After Religion: The End of Church and the Birth of a New Spiritual Awakening (Hardcover)
I gave this book a 5 star rating even though I would recommend skipping the Eight Chapter if you are not of a liberal persuasion. The information presented in the book and the author's presentation of it is excellent. My problems with Chapter 8 are strictly personal in that I would have preferred a deeper analysis of the tanking of the spiritual revival of the 60 & 70's than the superficial political treatment it received and I believe that the Author is too optimistic about the current spiritual state of the Country. Again this is strictly my opinion based on my own understanding of the world we live in and in no way is meant to detract from the wonderful job the author does in explaining the situation the modern church finds itself in. I am amazed that she is welcome in mainline denominational churches considering her message.
I wholeheartedly recommend this book to anyone trying to attract people to their church with the one caveat that they should probably skip Chapter 8. This is a must read for anyone in Church leadership and differences in theology should be put aside to obtain the benefit of hearing what God is saying to us through Mrs. Bass.
13 of 15 people found the following review helpful
5.0 out of 5 stars A Valuable Message to Mainline Americans: Don't Be Afraid of Spiritual Change,
David Crumm "Editor of ReadTheSpirit magazine" (Canton, Michigan) - See all my reviews
This review is from: Christianity After Religion: The End of Church and the Birth of a New Spiritual Awakening (Hardcover)
Don't be afraid. Religious life in America is changing dramatically, but for millions of Americans who are searching for faith, inspiration and hope on a daily basis--the underlying spiritual strength of our American culture is alive and well. In a couple of sentences, that's the wise and helpful message of Diana Butler Bass's new book, Christianity After Religion: The End of Church and the Birth of a New Spiritual Awakening.
As a longtime journalist covering religion in America, I have been reading Diana Butler Bass's work for about a decade now and we have been doing interviews through those years, as well. If you are drawn to her books, I also highly recommend A People's History of Christianity: The Other Side of the Story and Christianity for the Rest of Us: How the Neighborhood Church Is Transforming the Faith.
In preparing to cover her new book as a journalist, I asked Diana the very question that millions of Americans are having trouble answering for pollsters: "How do you identify yourself religiously these days?" She laughed, because religious transformation in our culture is the central point of this new book. We're all changing--like it or not. Finally she said, "Can we just say: She responded with a big silence?"
When I pressed her, though, she said, "I understand myself as a Christian who is leaning toward an unknown future and I am feeling a sense of loss. I know we have to leave some things behind in terms of ritual practices and traditions of the Church, but I am also full of a sense of wonder and imagination. What is Christianity going to look like for my daughter? For my unborn grandchildren? I am hopeful. I see the possibility of a Christianity that can be open and fluid and that will no longer be guarded by huge boundaries and barriers set up by human beings to close out so many people. I see a Christianity emerging that will embrace people around the world in love. I hope for a future of healing for our planet."
That's not a bad response on the fly in an interview! And, if that summary sounds like you, then you already can see why you should get a copy of this book and read it, then share it with friends in your congregation. That uplifting voice from Diana Butler Bass comes through, loud and clear, in these nearly 300 pages of solid research data, analysis and advice to church leaders about ways to adapt to our current transformation in American religion.
Here's what this is not: This is not another "inspirational" book by a spiritual writer sharing a personal vision of change. There are many fine books in that genre from individual teachers, but Diana Butler Bass is not merely writing a personal manifesto here. She is a highly respected historian of American religious life and a scholar of contemporary religious culture and is regularly invited to lecture to conferences, colleges and gatherings of church leaders. By the time you reach the back cover of her book, you will understand the breadth of current research by Diana herself and by a wide array of other top scholars as well.
And this is not another guilt trip from a "church-growth expert," designed to whack congregational leaders over the head with 10 Things You're Doing Wrong in Marketing Your Church. That's neither Diana Butler Bass's profession nor her intention. This new book is a stirring (and, to be honest, a troubling) look at change in America's religious life. But we are in the hands of a scholar whose vocation is driven by the hopeful promise that smart and well-informed church leaders can take positive steps.
Why is it so important that she covers the waterfront in current research?
Because we're not simply relying on Diana's own conclusions, leaving the reader to guess whether we should trust her. Instead, she fills in the other voices in a kind of panel discussion of top scholars, including as one example the widely known Harvard scholar Robert Putnam (famous for his work on Bowling Alone: The Collapse and Revival of American Community) and his colleague from Notre Dame David E. Campbell. Together, their latest book is American Grace: How Religion Divides and Unites Us, which I also recommend.
Ultimately, this is a terrific book for small-group discussion. Not only will it spark lively conversations, but there's an even more important reason to work this book into your congregation's small-group schedule this year. It's this: Rather than simply arguing about various opinions concerning change, reading Diana's new book will give everyone in your community a firm footing on the latest research into these questions. Oh, people still will disagree, debate and question each other. That's the fun of small-group discussion. But, at least everyone will know the wide array of solid findings that now are available to help us chart the future.
16 of 20 people found the following review helpful
2.0 out of 5 stars disappointed,
MS "Vermont Matt" (Thetford, VT United States) - See all my reviews
This review is from: Christianity After Religion: The End of Church and the Birth of a New Spiritual Awakening (Kindle Edition)
Everyone is talking (about this book), so I just had to go out and buy it. To my mind, the title itself was a red flag. Christianity IS a religion. So, when you look at it closely, the title does not make sense, nor, sadly does much of the rest, despite the fact that I probably agree with many of Bass's assertions about the crisis/upheaval in the Church. I admit that may sound paradoxical, but there you have it. I do think that Christianity is in the wane, but besides the slipshod historical 'analysis', Bass's conclusions trend to the superficial. What surprises me is the number of people that I admire/respect who find this book to be so insightful--undoubtedly because the author has tackled a subject that is on many people's mind. But as far as representing a contribution to addressing the issue, I suggest that the book is about on the level of what one might find in a Time or Newsweek cover article: catchy but not very deep, something that is epitomized by the author's extended analogy between mainstream (and mega) churches and corporate industry. As always, there is a kernel of truth in the observation, but caveat emptor when it comes to drawing significant conclusions.
4 of 4 people found the following review helpful
5.0 out of 5 stars Explains what's happening in Christianity, and all religions, today,
Susan S. Paddock "counselor, author" (Gettysburg, Pa USA) - See all my reviews
This review is from: Christianity After Religion: The End of Church and the Birth of a New Spiritual Awakening (Hardcover)
Bass's book is really helpful in explaining where our nation is currently in Christianity, esp in the US, but also around the world in other religions. I was especially intrigued by her discussion of the great awakenings, and how the one we saw from 1960 to 1980 was interrupted by a fear-based fundamentalism ('75-95') that was erroneously considered an awakening but was actually a reaction against one. Although she speaks primarily about Protestantism in the book, her analysis mirrors the current dilemma of the Catholic Church perfectly. The Church was evolving during Vatican II and the reforms seen right after it, and then, with the last and current pope, has reverted back to a bizarre fundamentalism that is driving parishioners away in droves. The trouble is the "fundamentals" are not fundamental to Christian spirituality any more than terrorists are fundamental to Islam. They are mere dogma, words, political stances, protectionism. For a Christian surely fundamentals are how we treat one another, our experience of Christ. She says there is less war between religions and more inter-religious warfare within each faith between those who would move deeper into relationship with Christ and those who are reacting against the awakening. She says there is a current awakening starting in 1995 and that spiritual leaders today need to help transform people's fear of change to urgency and courage. She gives practical advice about how to do that.
9 of 11 people found the following review helpful
5.0 out of 5 stars Are we experiencing a Spiritual Awakening?,
Robert Cornwall (Troy, MI USA) - See all my reviews
This review is from: Christianity After Religion: The End of Church and the Birth of a New Spiritual Awakening (Hardcover)
Are we in the midst of a great spiritual awakening? Reports from the churches might suggest otherwise, but there is other evidence that despite the apparent decline being experienced by institutional religious entities, there is great interest in spirituality. The New Atheists have tried to gain a foothold, but their message of a godless world appeals only to a few. Science has its place, but seems not to answer all humanity's questions. But, the same is true for older forms of religion. While people aren't giving up on God, growing numbers of people, especially among the younger generations aren't convinced that churches, synagogues, mosques, or temples can fill the spiritual void they're feeling. Thus, the fastest growing religious groupings today are known as the "spiritual but not religious" or as "nones."
There have been a number of books and studies that address this issue. Many of these authors believe that we're either on the verge of a spiritual awakening or we're in the middle of one. As a historian, I'm cognizant that it's often difficult to truly gauge something transformative while you're in the middle of it. We can look back and see signs of change happening in the 16th century or the 18th century and deem these to be times of reformation or awakening. During such moments, old forms give way to new forms, or at least radically changed forms, but are we at such a moment? Only time will tell.
Among the persons exploring this moment of transition is Diana Butler Bass. Diana is a trained historian, so she's also aware of the dangers present in speaking too definitively of what might be transpiring at the present moment, which is why I much prefer her analysis to that of Harvey Cox or Phyllis Tickle, for instance. At the same time, she has been studying the trends and conversing with people who are experiencing this period of change. As a result of these conversations and studies, she has written a series of books that have proven helpful to many, especially those of us in the mainline Protestant tradition, to get our bearings and find new ways of being present in the world spiritually. In her most recent book, Christianity After Religion: The End of Church and the Birth of a New Spiritual Awakening, Diana suggests that we are in the midst of a spiritual awakening in which the movement is away from the conventional institutional and clergy-focused religion toward a more open and expansive spirituality. She writes that "where Christianity is vital, it is not really seen as a "religion" anymore. It is more of a spiritual thing" (p. 7). Attendance at worship services is down significantly, but interest in spiritual things is on the rise. Evangelicals have done well of late, but even they are experiencing some difficulties.
In Diana's estimation we're experiencing a religious recession and an awakening at the same moment. Making use of the work of William McLoughlin, she notes that endings can also be beginnings. An awakening is not the same thing as a revival. An awakening is a movement of "cultural revitalization that `eventuate[s] in basic restructurings of our institutions and redefinitions of our social goals'" (p. 29). In this view, we are experiencing the fourth such awakening in American history, and have been in this mode since about 1960. McLoughlin believed that we would see a move toward more experiential and pluralistic forms of religion - and that seems to be the case. Diana goes into great detail on what awakenings look like and how they will change the world in which we live, especially the increasing loss of legitimacy accorded our institutions.
Part I of the book is focused on analyzing our situation. It is followed by a lengthy section entitled A New Vision, in which she focuses on three aspects of religious/spiritual life - believing, behaving, and belonging. In the world of religion, we start with beliefs (doctrines), move to behavior, and then when we believe and behave, we belong. In other words, after you pass the tests, you can be part of the community. In this new period of awakening, we are seeing what she entitles "The Great Reversal." The starting point isn't affirmation of doctrinal standards, but belonging to the community. From there we move to behavior, which she defines in terms of practices that we learn in community, and finally, we believe. Belief in this reversal isn't necessarily affirmation of doctrines, but trusting of one's life to God. It is a much more relational vision of faith. In previous books Diana has placed great emphasis on spiritual practices, and does so again here. These practices are intentional acts such as prayer, fasting, hospitality, that develop character. In this model of spiritual life, we learn by imitation or apprenticeship, rather than by participating in programs (it's hard to let go of the idea that programs are the solution). Experiencing God's presence is the goal, rather than gaining an intellectual understanding of the nature of God.
The final section is entitled Awakening, and in it she lays out her vision of the future of Christianity. Composed of two chapters, the first of which is entitled "The Great Awakening," Diana returns to the matter of a fourth great awakening. In the first chapter she contends that we're moving from the dogmatic (externally driven) to the romantic (experiential/internally driven). Although there is significant push back against this change of vision, such that conventional religion will continue on for some time, the old forms are losing the battle for the hearts and minds of the people. Diana makes it clear that she is not only attracted to this new vision, she is a practitioner. Having emerged out of traditional evangelical Christianity, she welcomes this new world of spirituality that is both pragmatic and open, an awakening that she believes is the first true global interfaith awakening. In the final chapter - "Performing Awakening" - Diana speaks of the ways in which we too can embrace and join in this time of spiritual change. We too can live into the practices that draw us toward the divine. As the old saying goes, "come on in, the water's fine!" There might not be a program to adopt, but there are steps to take if we're going to join in this new awakening. We must prepare, practice, play, and then participate. As we lean the story of faith, that story will, through spiritual practices, form our story.
This "Great Global Awakening" that she is describing, and prescribing to a degree, "is a matter of big questions - belonging, behaving, and believing - rightly reordered to enliven the heart and empower people to transform the world" (p. 265). Will we, she asks, embrace this move of the Spirit, or will we resist it? The future of Christianity depends in large part how we answer this question.
This is an important book and as with all of Diana's books, it's a good read. If you are a pastor of a Mainline Protestant Church, especially one that has a long history, you may also find this book to be a difficult, or better, a frustrating read. Unlike her earlier book Christianity for the Rest of Us: How the Neighborhood Church Is Transforming the Faith, this book is less hopeful about the future of Mainline Protestantism. There is much here that speaks of spiritual experiences, that we as church can embrace and try to bring into our practice, but I found myself wanting more. Perhaps that's the point - I have to go figure out how the church will exist in this new reality, but I find myself wanting additional help. In conversations with other pastors of churches like mine who have read the book, there is a similar desire for more help. We want a follow up book, one that is not just more hopeful, but will take into account our realities - aging members, facilities, and realities. It's one thing to start a new congregation, but what about those congregations that have been around for eighty or a hundred years? How do we honor this heritage as we move into a new era? Zwingli destroyed organs at Zurich. Henry VIII plundered the monasteries. They changed the dynamics, but the ripples continue to be felt today. So, how do we take our churches into this world when they have been wrapped up in conventional institutional religion for so long?
As I read this book I'm in agreement with much of Diana's analysis of the current situation, but I'm not as ready to embrace the full "program" of this global awakening. Although I am very active in interfaith work - it is a passion of mine - there may still be too much of the conventional in my own person to jump in with both feet. I am, it would seem, part of that great company of people who have abandoned religion as usual, but find the idea of being "spiritual but not religious" less than enticing. I am, and I expect many others (including Diana) are part of the great company this both religious and spiritual!
I invite you to read the book, to engage it, to critique it, and to recognize that whether this is a fourth great awakening or not, we are in a period of immense religious and spiritual change, and Diana is an excellent guide to the territory. In the end, we must decide how to respond.
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5.0 out of 5 stars this is the one we've been waiting for,
This review is from: Christianity After Religion: The End of Church and the Birth of a New Spiritual Awakening (Hardcover)
If I could give one book to my friends, within and outside the church, this is it . This is the book that names this "awakening" in which we find ourselves. Much has been written in the last decade or so about the changing scene but this is the one that gives us some clear historical data, and a cogent interpretation of that data. I imagine many in the institutional church will fear this book, which is one reason it's so important. This is about the revival of Spirit in our times, and the locus of revival doesn't look quite like your grandfather's tent. These are not easy times, but now, after reading Diana's newest, and I believe very best book, I am filled with new hope.
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5.0 out of 5 stars clear thinking, well written,
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She writes clearly on the problems that a church can cause for people who are growing in their beliefs about God.
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"Chief Stanley has demonstrated tireless commitment to public safety in Henrico, and his effective leadership has been a hallmark of this county for many years," said County Manager Virgil R. Hazelett. "We will sorely miss him and the level of excellence he has demonstrated in commanding our nationally accredited Division of Police."
Stanley, whose service with Henrico Police predates the use of flashing lights on the force's vehicles - they first were installed in 1964 - has seen the division become a nationally acclaimed force with some 800 personnel, including more than 580 sworn officers, and a total annual budget of more than $65 million.
"On the first day of my employment as a patrol officer, I knew law enforcement would be my lifetime career," Stanley said. "I am especially proud of the opportunity to lead Henrico Police as its chief. Every member has contributed to the success of this agency and I feel fortunate to have been a part of this outstanding team of professionals.
"I will greatly miss those with whom I have served over the years," he said. "I am confident that the members of Henrico Police will continue our tradition of providing exemplary service to all."
Under Stanley's leadership, Henrico received the Certified Crime Prevention Community designation from the Virginia Department of Criminal Justice Services in 2002. The division has received multiple accreditations from the international Commission on Accreditation for Law Enforcement Agencies and the Virginia Law Enforcement Professional Standards Commission. For six consecutive years, it has captured first place in the Virginia Association of Chiefs of Police Law Enforcement Challenge while also finishing in the top three in a similar competition sponsored by the International Association for Chiefs of Police. An emphasis on community policing has seen the development of initiatives such as the Citizens Police Academy and the Henrico Police Athletic League.
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You may have heard about the last minute Melvins show at Humboldt Park in Chicago? Turns out the appearance was part of an AV Undercover piece that had the trio perform "Graveyard" by Butthole Surfers in front of a parked ice cream truck. Video is in this post. Make sure and watch the video, which shows a swarm of kids clamoring for free ice cream and completely indifferent to the band around them. The song breaks down into cacophony, which is actually the perfect soundtrack to the sugar-fueled feeding frenzy around them. Knowing the Melvins and their sense of humor, I am sure this is something they are very happy about.
Melvins are readying their new LP, Tres Cabrones, with original drummer Mike Dillard, and recently passed through NYC at House of Vans.
Melvins' AV Undercover video is below...
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how zany.
This is Chicago. They're lucky one of the kids didn't shoot them.
Posted by Anonymous | August 9, 2013 12:20 PM
i don't think any of those kids were jamming along
Posted by Anonymous | August 9, 2013 12:40 PM
Who cares?
Posted by Anonymous | August 9, 2013 12:43 PM
Even the Melvins at full volume could not deter their quest for diabetes
Posted by Anonymous | August 9, 2013 2:07 PM
this is why I love THE MELVINS
Posted by Anonymous | August 9, 2013 2:43 PM
They finished the House of Vans w Graveyard w/ Gibby coming out on stage to join them...so rad even though I'm sure a lot of people didn't even realize...but then again who knows...RAD SHOW!
Posted by Anonymous | August 9, 2013 5:28 PM
Posted by Anonymous | August 9, 2013 11:50 PM
This is the single greatest statement on the decline of civilization.
Great band playing, making great music for ages. Kids don't give a fuck in the face of "free ice cream".
Fuck this world and the zombie sheep that populate it.
Posted by Anonymous | August 10, 2013 1:39 AM
Ice cream is not vegan you ass hole
Posted by lactose intolerance supremacist | August 10, 2013 4:39 AM
That was a great cover Melvins. Still bad ass!
Posted by Anonymous | August 10, 2013 5:13 AM
Low hanging fruit. Gotta love the Melvins.
Posted by Anonymous | August 10, 2013 7:39 AM
Love that one kid who's totally into it
Posted by Anonymous | August 10, 2013 9:58 AM
what about buttholes now?
Posted by jordon | August 10, 2013 12:59 PM
I used to get my weed from some dude in an ice cream truck
Posted by Anonymous | August 10, 2013 4:37 PM
Buzz hates black kids.
Posted by Anonymous | August 10, 2013 5:23 PM
4:37 it still happens! http://www.nydailynews.com/new-york/brooklyn-ice-cream-truck-driver-sold-coke-vehicle-article-1.1418931
Posted by Anonymous | August 12, 2013 10:21 PM
I like it.
Posted by Dance in the bedrooms | September 30, 2013 4:25 PM
the first song made me think this might be something awesome, but after hearing the rest- not so much. average/decent album
Posted by Melissa | February 17, 2014 5:59 AM
Melvins is real rok! Just do the math, more than the stones , more than james brown(sorry), metallica please, as good as they are, they dont have the +*^%'
Posted by Martinez | February 26, 2014 2:03 PM
No one can or ever will touch the melvins musically,it cannot be done.
Posted by guitarfetishist | March 8, 2014 9:58 PM
him in his trailer makes a darn successful
Posted by Massagem Tantrica sp | April 3, 2014 9:18 AM
Rob would have some in him. but Butthole surfers sort of are always doing new things so this was not their song for a long time, they probably went off to other experiments and such.
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- ipsedixit Oct 21, 2008 10:45 PM
Ok, I just watched Alton Brown on Good Eats make homemade marshmallows.
Intriguing, no doubt. But it got me wondering. Is it really worth the effort to make one's own marshmallows?
How much better are homemade to store bought?
So to those who have made homemade marshmallows, can you share whether it was the effort?
Yes, they are worth the effort (and it's really not that much effort). They taste so much better than store bought. Try it. You really won't regret it.
Here's Martha Stewart's recipe for comparison to AB's.
My parents, especially my mother, love marshmallow things. Mom will even eat those nasty orange circus peanuts! They swooned over fresh marshmallows. They have a very different texture -- very soft and oozy. Or maybe that was my poor rendition that time. My mother said, I don't care if they're too soft to pick up, give me a spoon. And she proceeded to eat several very large portions with a spoon! Other times, they've come out a bit sturdier. I've not made AB's nor Martha's recipe, but like Bogart says, it's not that hard, and it's one of those things that, if it caught your eye, you owe it to yourself to try it once.
You bet that it's worth the effort !!! Last time I tasted store-bought, they had a terrible bitter flavor.
I thought Eileen Talanian's Marshmallow cookbook was really good.
Oh yeah, definitely worth it if you like marshmallows, which I do!! Below is a useful thread including my report and photos. The Gourmet mag recipe is a good one, and the coconut marshmallows went into holiday goody bags last year.
Greenspan's book Baking from My Home to Yours also has a number of marshmallow recipes (eg, coffee, pumpkin spice). Has anyone tried those recipes?
I'm with everyone else here - YES! They ARE worth it!
Last holiday season, I made homemade marshmallows. They were a lot easier than you might expect, they lasted a couple weeks (just recoat them with powdered sugar if they get sticky), and they melt perfectly in hot cocoa. I can't wait to make them again this winter.
DH and I have been wanting to make marshmallows for ages now. He's home on vacation this week so maybe this is the time to finally do it.
What's everyone favorite recipe method? I have Dorie's book, Martha's recipe, we've watched Alton do it....just wondering where to start.
Definitely, definitely worth it.
I made them last Christmas and couldn't believe how good they are. They are much softer, fluffier, and pillowier. I can't wait to make them this year with some flavors added.
The only thing is they were a bit messy, but thankfully they clean up fairly easily.
I used this recipe - http://www.epicurious.com/recipes/foo...
I recently bought Dorie's book and have been impressed with everything in it so far, so I may try hers this year.
At this point, I've made enough marshmallows that I'm bored with them, but people complain when I show up at a party with cupcakes!
I like the Barefoot Contessa recipe (on foodtv.com). I tried Martha's, but I think she uses eggs whites, which wasn't a favorite of mine.
Happy Marshmallowing! (they're addictive!)
re: cyberroo
I like the Barefoot Contessa recipe too. They really are easy to do, and then you really start to wonder about the stores that charge $10-15 per package of "homemade" marshmallows, when you know what goes into them. I like marshmallows, but don't really use them that often, but they're kinda fun to make.
re: Chocolatechipkt
I like BC recipie as well and they are absolutely worth the effort, the taste, yum, and the look on people's faces when you come to a fondue party with homemade marshmallows to dip in the chocolate...
You can have so much fun making your own flavors, too! (Previous threads cover this topic.) You can't buy cinnamon marshmallows, nor cardamom marshamallows, nor chocolate black pepper marshmallows, etc. You haven't lived until you've melted cardamom marshmallows in a cup of hot chai, or black pepper marshmallows in cup of hot cocoa.
re: Claudette
where oh where can one find these two recipes?
re: lollya
LOL - no recipes, I just add the cardamom or black pepper, or whatever suits my fancy, to any one of a dozen plain recipes. Choose whichever one you like. My personal fave is Ina's. My next batch will be flavored with rose petal jam (simmer equal parts water, sugar, and organic rose petals).
They are definitely worth it! I use the Thomas Keller recipe, which has gelatin, not egg whites. I've only made them with a KA as I am not sure that a hand-held mixer would cut it. RosemaryHoney is right! Not only do homemade melt beautifully, but they also roast really well! They literally caramelize rather than go straight from zero to burnt.
re: AnneBird
I've made them with a hand mixer - a $20 Black and Decker that has good power. You just need a big bowl, since the mixture expands so much as you beat it.
re: AnneBird
I've made them with a hand mixer too, but only because I had to. It ended up being too messy and it took forever. It can be done, though.
step by step proceedure:
If you want round marshmallows you'll need to use a large plastic, or plastic lined decorating bag without a tip on it. Spray a little pam or sprinkle a bit of vegetable oil into the bag and smush the bag around a little to make sure its got a little bit of oil on all the inside surfaces to ensure that the marshmallows will glide smoothly through the bag. Before you pour the mixture into the bag, fold the small end, where you would normally put the coupler, over and clip it closed with a strong clip.
If you're using this method, you'll also need to prepare a landing pad for your marshmallows.
Use a jelly roll pan with a thick layer of powdered sugar and cornstarch pressed down flat. You can do this by putting a jellyroll pan of the same size on top of it and pushing it down.
When you're making the marshmallows with this method, you'll pour the marshmallow mixture into the bag and remove the clip thats over the opening. Now you'll pipe the marshmallows out onto the cornstarch and powdered sugar about an inch and a half away from each other and use a greased knife to cut them away from the bag when you've gotten them the right size. after you let them sit for about 5 minutes, use a spoon to flip the marshmallow up and then roll it around in the powder. This method sounds a lot more difficult than it is, but I'd recommend making a couple batches before attempting it anyways, unless you're familiar with filling and using decorating bags.
After a marshmallow-making hiatus of almost 2 decades, this thread got me going again! I dusted off my old "Better Than Store Bought" by Helen Witter Colchie and made a batch this afternoon. I had forgotten that these marshmallows are quite soft--very good if you like a melt-in-your mouth texture. They are also rather sticky and a bit of a chore to cut up. But the main reason I stopped making them is that I prefer a marshmallow with more bounce and resistance--like the marshmallows in See's Rocky Road.
The "Better Than Store Bought" version has one envelope of gelatin, 1/4 cup water, 2/3 cup sugar, and 1/2 cup corn syrup. The procedure calls for the gelatin to soften in the water, then to be cooked with the sugar until both dissolve. Should I increase the amount of gelatin or boil the gelatin-sugar syrup longer--maybe to the soft-crack stage?
re: pilinut
The recipe I used calls for 3 packages of gelatin (with 1/2 c water), 1.5 c sugar, 1 c light corn syrup, 1/4 tsp salt, and 1 Tbs vanilla, and another 1/2 c water. These are pretty bouncy marshmallows.
re: Chocolatechipkt
Thanks, Chocolatechipkt! That looks like 50% more gelatin. I'll try that next time.
re: pilinut
Oooops! The authors of "Better Than Srore Bought" are Helen Witty and Elizabeth Colchie. Sorry.
re: ChefBoyofDees
I'm thinking agar. But there may be other choices. Call your local health food store and ask.
re: ChefBoyofDees
From what I've read, no one has managed a successful homemade vegetarian marshmallow, so I think you'll have a hard time.
But I think that you can make marshmallow fluff without gelatin. it's not exactly the same, but could be a delicious alternative.
In my opinion, homemade marshmallows shouldn't even have the same NAME as store-bought.
I got hooked on homemade after watching Alton make them on Good Eats last year. I make them for my kids' school parties, gifts, and soon, for our holiday party's chocolate fondue station.
I love to make colors, but I have not expiramented with flavors (I've made the Gourmet coconut flavor, and they're divine--especially toasted, on a graham cracker, with a square of dark chocolate).
I'm planning to try making coffee-flavored using instant espresso, but I can't decide when to add it or how much. Anyone have suggestions?
Also bouncing around black pepper-cardamom and amaretto. Must attempt amaretto for my mom's upcoming birthday.
re: GeeBeeEmm
thanks for bringing this thread back up -- seeing it reminded me i wanted to try this and am now waiting for my first batch to set up. the hubby was strangely quiet about the mess oncei offered him the whisk-ers to lick, so i have high hopes they'll be delish


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A middle-aged nonentity, a political failure outstripped by history – by the millions of Arabs demanding freedom and democracy in the Middle East – died in Pakistan yesterday. And then the world went mad.
Fresh from providing us with a copy of his birth certificate, the American President turned up in the middle of the night to provide us with a live-time death certificate for Osama bin Laden, killed in a town named after a major in the army of the old British Empire. A single shot to the head, we were told. But the body's secret flight to Afghanistan, an equally secret burial at sea? The weird and creepy disposal of the body – no shrines, please – was almost as creepy as the man and his vicious organisation.
The Americans were drunk with joy. David Cameron thought it "a massive step forward". India described it as a "victorious milestone". "A resounding triumph," Israeli Prime Minister Netanyahu boasted. But after 3,000 American dead on 9/11, countless more in the Middle East, up to half a million Muslims dead in Iraq and Afghanistan and 10 years trying to find Bin Laden, pray let us have no more "resounding triumphs". Revenge attacks? Perhaps they will come, by the little groupuscules in the West, who have no direct contact with al-Qa'ida. Be sure, someone is already dreaming up a "Brigade of the Martyr Osama bin Laden". Maybe in Afghanistan, among the Taliban.
But the mass revolutions in the Arab world over the past four months mean that al-Qa'ida was already politically dead. Bin Laden told the world – indeed, he told me personally – that he wanted to destroy the pro-Western regimes in the Arab world, the dictatorships of the Mubaraks and the Ben Alis. He wanted to create a new Islamic Caliphate. But these past few months, millions of Arab Muslims rose up and were prepared for their own martyrdom – not for Islam but for freedom and liberty and democracy. Bin Laden didn't get rid of the tyrants. The people did. And they didn't want a caliph.
I met the man three times and have only one question left unasked: what did he think as he watched those revolutions unfold this year – under the flags of nations rather than Islam, Christians and Muslims together, the kind of people his own al-Qa'ida men were happy to butcher?
In his own eyes, his achievement was the creation of al-Qa'ida, the institution which had no card-carrying membership. You just woke up in the morning, wanted to be in al-Qa'ida – and you were. He was the founder. But he was never a hands-on warrior. There was no computer in his cave, no phone calls to set bombs off. While the Arab dictators ruled uncontested with our support, they largely avoided condemning American policy; only Bin Laden said these things. Arabs never wanted to fly planes into tall buildings, but they did admire a man who said what they wanted to say. But now, increasingly, they can say these things. They don't need Bin Laden. He had become a nonentity.
But talking of caves, Bin Laden's demise does bring Pakistan into grim focus. For months, President Ali Zardari has been telling us that Bin Laden was living in a cave in Afghanistan. Now it turns out he was living in a mansion in Pakistan. Betrayed? Of course he was. By the Pakistan military or the Pakistan Inter-Services Intelligence? Quite possibly both. Pakistan knew where he was.
Not only was Abbottabad the home of the country's military college – the town was founded by Major James Abbott of the British Army in 1853 – but it is headquarters of Pakistan's Northern Army Corps' 2nd Division. Scarcely a year ago, I sought an interview with another "most wanted man" – the leader of the group believed responsible for the Mumbai massacres. I found him in the Pakistani city of Lahore – guarded by uniformed Pakistani policemen holding machine guns.
Of course, there is one more obvious question unanswered: couldn't they have captured Bin Laden? Didn't the CIA or the Navy Seals or the US Special Forces or whatever American outfit killed him have the means to throw a net over the tiger? "Justice," Barack Obama called his death. In the old days, of course, "justice" meant due process, a court, a hearing, a defence, a trial. Like the sons of Saddam, Bin Laden was gunned down. Sure, he never wanted to be taken alive – and there were buckets of blood in the room in which he died.
But a court would have worried more people than Bin Laden. After all, he might have talked about his contacts with the CIA during the Soviet occupation of Afghanistan, or about his cosy meetings in Islamabad with Prince Turki, Saudi Arabia's head of intelligence. Just as Saddam – who was tried for the murder of a mere 153 people rather than thousands of gassed Kurds – was hanged before he had the chance to tell us about the gas components that came from America, his friendship with Donald Rumsfeld, the US military assistance he received when he invaded Iran in 1980.
Oddly, he was not the "most wanted man" for the international crimes against humanity of 11 September 2001. He gained his Wild West status by al-Qa'ida's earlier attacks on the US embassies in Africa and the attack on the US barracks in Dhahran. He was always waiting for Cruise missiles – so was I when I met him. He had waited for death before, in the caves of Tora Bora in 2001 when his bodyguards refused to let him stand and fight and forced him to walk over the mountains to Pakistan. Some of his time he would spend in Karachi – he was obsessed with Karachi; he even, weirdly, gave me photographs of pro-Bin Laden graffiti on the walls of the former Pakistani capital and praised the city's imams.
His relations with other Muslims were mysterious; when I met him in Afghanistan, he initially feared the Taliban, refusing to let me travel to Jalalabad at night from his training camp – he handed me over to his al-Qa'ida lieutenants to protect me on the journey next day. His followers hated all Shia Muslims as heretics and all dictators as infidels – though he was prepared to cooperate with Iraq's ex-Baathists against the country's American occupiers, and said so in an audiotape which the CIA typically ignored. He never praised Hamas and was scarcely worthy of their "holy warrior" definition yesterday which played – as usual – straight into Israel's hands.
In the years after 2001, I maintained a faint indirect communication with Bin Laden, once meeting one of his trusted al-Qa'ida associates at a secret location in Pakistan. I wrote out a list of 12 questions, the first of which was obvious: what kind of victory could he claim when his actions resulted in the US occupation of two Muslim countries? There was no reply for weeks. Then one weekend, waiting to give a lecture in Saint Louis in the US, I was told that Al Jazeera had produced a new audiotape from Bin Laden. And one by one – without mentioning me – he answered my 12 questions. And yes, he wanted the Americans to come to the Muslim world – so he could destroy them.
When Wall Street journalist Daniel Pearl was kidnapped, I wrote a long article in The Independent, pleading with Bin Laden to try to save his life. Pearl and his wife had looked after me when I was beaten on the Afghan border in 2001; he even gave me the contents of his contacts book. Much later, I was told that Bin Laden had read my report with sadness. But Pearl had already been murdered. Or so he said.
Yet Bin Laden's own obsessions blighted even his family. One wife left him, two more appeared to have been killed in Sunday's American attack. I met one of his sons, Omar, in Afghanistan with his father in 1994. He was a handsome little boy and I asked him if he was happy. He said "yes" in English. But last year, he published a book called Living Bin Laden and – recalling how his father killed his beloved dogs in a chemical warfare experiment – described him as an "evil man". In his book, he too remembered our meeting; and concluded that he should have told me that no, he was not a happy child.
By midday yesterday, I had three phone calls from Arabs, all certain that it was Bin Laden's double who was killed by the Americans – just as I know many Iraqis who still believe that Saddam's sons were not killed in 2003, nor Saddam really hanged. In due course, al-Qa'ida will tell us. Of course, if we are all wrong and it was a double, we're going to be treated to yet another videotape from the real Bin Laden – and President Barack Obama will lose the next election.
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Global warming will severely impact agriculture, water resources and ecosystems, warns a new report from the World Bank[more]
What's in store for the United States this winter following the unusually cold snap that has hit the northeastern states? Here are some thoughts from NOAA [more]
Boosts in productivity of corn and other crops modify northern hemisphere carbon dioxide cycle[more]
Researchers show Little Ice Age was global, with implications for current global warming[more]
Permafrost soil is possible source of abrupt rise in greenhouse gases at end of last ice age[more]
Mediterranean meteorological tide has increased by over a millimetre a year since 1989, according to researchers[more]
Livermore Lab scientists show salinity matters when it comes to sea level changes[more]
Time-lapse photos and synched weather data unlock Antarctic secrets. Researchers use remote data-gathering equipment to study long-term meteorological and geological forces at work in Antarctica. Time-lapse photography synched...[more]
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