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Jets-Titans: First-Half TweetsPosted by on December 17, 2012 – 10:10 pm
Here are today's first-half tweets for the Jets-Titans game at LP Field in Nashville, in case you missed them on Twitter. Follow Bob Wischusen, Eric Allen and me for our tweets during each Jets game on https://twitter.com/nyjets.
#RL Jets gameday captains today: DE Muhammad Wilkerson, C Nick Mangold, S Yeremiah Bell, S Josh Bush, WR Braylon Edwards.
#RL Rob Bironas comes out late to try 46-yd FG, Mo Wilkerson blocks at the line, no good. Bironas now 4-for-5 career vs Jets.
#RL Wilkerson gets Jets' first FG block since Kris Jenkins vs ARZ in '08, first road FG block since Shane Burton @ BUF in 2000.
#RL Jets 3rd-and-1 at TEN 25, Tim Tebow first action in 4 games runs forward to get the first down.
#EA TEN helping the Jets on this drive – 3 penalties. Edwards getting in the mix right away on this opening march.
#EA Sanchez has all day to throw the rock right now. Great job by the O-line. TEN was all over Luck last week.
#RL TE Jeff Cumberland appeared to grab 4-yd TD pass from Mark Sanchez, his 3rd TD of yr. But ref Walt Coleman reverses call to no catch…
#RL Nick Folk comes on for 22-yd FG. Good, making Folk 17-for-22 on FGs for the year. Jets lead 3-0 with 4:17 left in 1st qtr.
#RL Kyle Wilson nice third-down tackle on Nate Washington for a 5-yd reception on 3rd-and-8 as 1st quarter comes to an end…
#RL TEN continues as only NFL team not to have scored a 1st-qtr offensive TDs at home. Titans' only 1st-qtr home TD came on PR in Game 3.
#RL Kyle Wilson nice third-down tackle on Nate Washington for a 5-yd reception on 3rd-and-8 as 1st quarter comes to an end…
#EA This is the Jets' first lead entering the 2nd Quarter since Week 2 vs. PIT.
#RL Another nifty Robert Malone punt bounces backward from TEN-2 for 53-yd punt gross and net. 14th consec game for Malone with 50-yd punt.
#RL Chris Johnson bursts off RT, goes 94 yds for TD. Longest run vs. Jets since Garrison Hearst went 96 in OT in '98 opener @ SF.
#RL Johnson 94-yd run is 2nd-longest by opponent in franchise history. Previous 2nd-longest: Sid Blanks, @ HOU Oilers, 12/13/64.
#RL Tim Tebow gets his first full drive as Jets QB, 7 snaps, 6 plays and pen, 22 yards. Has to throw 3rd-and-16 pass away.
#RL Calvin Pace gets his 3rd sack of the season, touching Jake Locker as he scrambles OB for a 2-yd loss on 3rd-and-7. TEN punts.
#RL Garrett McIntyre, starting for LB Bryan Thomas, gets 3rd sack of yr and 2nd big defensive play in 2 games w/ sack of Jake Locker.
#RL Jets go into halftime trailing 3-0. It's 4th straight game they haven't scored 1st-half TD, but they won their last 2, over ARZ, JAX.
#RL Jets lead in 1st downs (10-6), possession (15:52-14:08), but Titans lead in yards (198-99), takeaways (1-0) and score, 7-3.
Tags: Braylon Edwards, Calvin Pace, Chris Johnson, Garrett McIntyre, Garrison Hearst, Jake Locker, Kyle Wilson, Mark Sanchez, Sid Blanks, Tennessee Titans, Tim Tebow
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to "Jets-Titans: First-Half Tweets"
By Karan on Dec 17, 2012 | Reply
Can't defend ya anymore Mark.
By Lou on Dec 17, 2012 | Reply
Please trade Sanchez he is the downfall of this team
By 40 year fan , John on Dec 17, 2012 | Reply
So , So ugly …The Jets are at the very bottom of the proverbial barrell …Bottom dwellers …Trully embarrassing , and disgracefull …So sad to follow the jets , so sad …
By Charlie on Dec 17, 2012 | Reply
Sorry time to benchSanchez . Turnovers re too much. Start Tenow and McElroy as back up. The announcer even think the team is a joke!
The issue is not Tebow it is Sanchez and poor execution.
By By Jet Fan Since 1964 Frank on Dec 17, 2012 | Reply
I guess this answered all questions about MS with 4 interceptions and a fumble on 1st down with 53 seconds left.
By Jetlag on Dec 18, 2012 | Reply
What a godawful performance by Sanchez and the coaching staff! Sanchez should have been pulled after the 3rd INT and MCELROY should have been put in (not Tebow.) The Jets would have won this game with Mac in there! VERY POOR COACHING BY REX RYAN!!
By Mike Jet Vet on Dec 18, 2012 | Reply
I'll say it for the 100th time, only thing we can count on, Sanchez throwing red zone int's or fumble and stumble the game away.. next, Rex making any excuse to protect him, Trent Dilfer said it best, this is as bad a football team
trying to make playoffs as he has ever seen , He also said,.this was football justice Jets missing playoffs, Know what, he's 100% right, Sanchez 4 INT's 2 fumbles our defense gave him every chance to win, in the most important game of the season against a 4-11 team which BTW he made look like a SB contender… Any I repeat any average QB wins this game hands down only Sanchez could lost this game.
By allan o'dane on Dec 18, 2012 | Reply
I got it…I finally got it!…We can have mark sanchez be the elite QB we always wanted…Randy..just send this over to Rex and Sparano. Before each game have the WR's and TE's wear the opposing jersey and mark will finally start throwing to his own teamates……geez…sorry 64tom, bennet, garyc, scjoe , ron alexander it took me so long to figure it out.
By allan o'dane on Dec 18, 2012 | Reply
Ok…..JoeyD….you still think we have White qb Envy?…right now I have high school QB Envy dude!…..karen…I feel for you..you have supported Sanchez all season. But I know you watched this game. Can you still support this Qb after watching this display of quarterbacking? Well at least I made a couple of bucks because I called the 4th INT and I called the fumble….because that's what Mark Sanchez does…you put lipstick on a pig……..it's still a pig. This WHOLE thing needs to come apart.
By GaryC on Dec 18, 2012 | Reply
if the jets were running the table,I guess they forgot to put the leaf in the middle of it,because it became a very short run,maybe they were running a tray table.
By scjoe on Dec 18, 2012 | Reply
Randy, remember my post in the last story about those playoff scenarios? Can you delete it please, I must have been delirious when I wrote it. For some strange reason I actually thought that this NY Jet team was capable of competing with, or maybe even defeating a 4-9 Tennessee Titan team.
By scjoe on Dec 18, 2012 | Reply
This one goes out to Spicer, Ira, Karen, and anyone else who is STILL willing to give this "so called QB" we have on this team any benefit of the doubt. As painful as it was to watch, did you happen to force yourself to watch it in it's entirety? The cold hard fact of the matter is, this pathetic performance we witnessed tonight could best be categorized as an average Mark Sanchez game, below 50% completion, FOUR (4) INTs, totally lost in the pocket, and no awareness of what is going on around him what so ever. And for all of those who continue to put the blame on the coaching staff, their shortcomings notwithstanding, what ARE you thinking? The problems with this team, in this order, without question are #1- Mark Sanchez! And a close #2- Mike Tannenbaum. If both return next season expect the exact same results!
By Jet Fan Since '64 Tom and Plenty Fed Up By Now on Dec 18, 2012 | Reply
No pt piling on but I'll say if that's the last time I see Mr T, Rex, Sanchez, and Tebow in Jets gear it's the best early Xmas present I've ever gotten. Of all the terrible qtrs I've seen MS play, not just this yr but the last 4 yrs, that last qtr mighta been the worst. Now all that's left is to go on the NY papers' sites tomorrow morning and read "REX FIRED, SPARANO NAMED INTERIM COACH, " in which case my prediction would only be about a month off. But it's not about predictions and taking bows for them, it's about this terrible organization, FO, HC, QBs, scouting for and mindset toward the draft, conditioning of players, and of course many of the terrible players themselves. But at least we might get to see McElroy start 2 games now…
By Jet Fan Since '64 Tom and Plenty Fed Up By Now on Dec 18, 2012 | Reply
Let this, from Cimini, be the last we hear of Rex, Tebow, and the Wildcat anywhere near the Jets: "Not only did Rex use Tebow but he let him play an entire series — a season 1st. It was a bad decision on several levels. It was surprising in 2 respects: 1st, Sanchez actually moved the O in his first 2 series, developing a little rhythm. Second, he let Tebow handle 2 obvious passing situations. It was a weird time to let Tebow, who hadn't played in 3 wks, cut loose and throw. The plays ended with a sack and a throwaway. It destroyed whatever momentum they had. On Sanchez"s next pass, he threw an INT." Woody, maybe you can never have enough Tebow but I've had enough awful Jet teams. Make BIG changes or sell to somebody who wants to win BIG!
By Jet Fan Since '64 Tom and Plenty Fed Up By Now on Dec 18, 2012 | Reply
"Jets owner Woody Johnson was practically speechless, making a hasty retreat out of the visitors' locker room shortly after the game, saying only, "I'll talk to you after the season." — thanks a bunch for finally waking up, Woody! And by the way, in case you haven't heard yet, Romney lost…
By marcus c boyce on Dec 18, 2012 | Reply
By ELI RODRIGUEZ / PLEASE FIRE SOMEBODY ANYBODY on Dec 18, 2012 | Reply
By ELI RODRIGUEZ–#17 Are you the1–2 save M.S. on Dec 12, 2012
The biggest mistake Rex Ryan could do Monday is not activate McELROY, If he's serious about this playoff run give yourself every opportunity. You just can't count on M.S. even with Edwards, surely there's someone that can sit…oh yeah fire T-REX………………………………………………………………………………………………….
By kk on Dec 18, 2012 | Reply
Exactly what we would expect PATHETIC!!!! What a joke and once again McElroy not dressed. Even if they lose the rest of the games they'll just screw up the draft.
Just brutal
By GaryC on Dec 18, 2012 | Reply
It is never really too early to talk draft when it comes to the Jets,I mean really,what else is there.that being said a guy the jets should be looking at considering the productionless year of Keller and if the jets want to bring him back,Is Zach Ertz from Stanford,who worked with Luck last year,has size and hands,something the butterfinger jet receivers can learn from.And being from Stanford probably a guy with better things to do then running around after midnight.
By GaryC on Dec 18, 2012 | Reply
See,Rex did not heed the advice of others to start the quarterback who would give you the best chance to get to the playoffs,Oh well,the best laid plans of mice and men.
By SCfromNY on Dec 18, 2012 | Reply
OMG!!! How can a professional football team be so inept? I beleive that last night plus previous performances put a lock on it. Sanchez simply can NOT play QB at any level. After 1 series where Sanchez having some success the "brain trust" brings in Tebow. WHY? "Well that's what we scripted". Does any coach watch what is happening on the field? Tebow showed us NOTHING just like he has all year. It is past time No matter what cost Sanchez, Tebow, Sporano, and Rex need to go.I think the fans will better understand a bad 2013 because we are unable to sign many players because of cap hits when you have a viable plan for the future. There are too many quality 1rst & 2nd year Qbs playing demonstrating that with good management we should land 1.
By GaryC on Dec 18, 2012 | Reply
the jets actually had the gall to name Edwards one of game captains,If that doesn't tell you how dysfunctional this team is nothing will.
By SCfromNY on Dec 18, 2012 | Reply
I just put a black band around my Jet license plate. Please Woody see the light. No more 1 year fixes or hoping for another year out of a past star. Look at your management from scouts on up and their success rate along with ability to find players that's potential is realized. 2013's motto, "GUT IT AND GO!"
By ELI RODRIGUEZ / refuses to buy any J&J products till T-REX are fire. on Dec 18, 2012 | Reply
By GaryC on Dec 18, 2012 | Reply
Look if the jets are serious about a coaching change,Look at David Shaw of Stanford,has Stanford in the rose bowl and that is after changing quarterbacks in mid season,how bout that Jet fans,coached under Jim Harbaugh,so knows discipline,and continued winning after losing Andrew Luck.
By ron alexander on Dec 18, 2012 | Reply
Well, if there were any Rex or Sanchez supporters still out there before this game I have to wonder how many are left now? This game sadley difined the very essence of this team. Abysmal! As bad as Sanchez was last nite, and for this season as well, I cant help but wonder what may have happaned if he was surrounded by a better supporting cast? When a W.R is signed of the scrap heap and with only a few days practice (& with a bad hamstring) & then becomes the featured reciever that says a lot about the talent on this team. The pass blocking was awful as M.S. was hit as quickly as he set up. The play calling(especially the Tebow pkg) was baffling and Sanchez's decision makeing & lack of accuracy was as bad as I have ever seen. cont.-
By ron alexander on Dec 18, 2012 | Reply
cont.- perhaps the most disturbing thing was inspite of the 4 interceptions, and allowing a 86 yard t.d. run up the middle and all the other nonsence that happaned we still had a chance to win the game? I mean how bad was Tennesse trying to give us this game, and yet we come up short? With Pittsburgh losing to Dallas at the end of the game and Tenn giving us the ball on their 25 yd line with 45 seconds
left was I the only one who thought we had been given an early christmas present? S.C.Joe & Ira, please tell me I'm not the only one who thought we had a chance????
By scjoe on Dec 18, 2012 | Reply
I urge all of you to go over to ESPN NY and listen to the Trent Dilfer-Steve Young discussion that followed the Monday night debacle. Feel as I did how pathetically embarrassing it is to be a NY Jets fan, these two ex NFL QBs were laughing so hard that they could hardly get the words out. While there, read Cimini's "report card" most of which I agree with, but while ranking the coaching and giving it a "D" and to make a statement like "Can you blame the coaches for four interceptions? That's a tough one, but you have to wonder why they allowed the turnover-prone Sanchez to take so many deep shots. He attempted eight passes of 15-plus yards, completing only two. ARE YOU KIDDING ME?……………
By scjoe on Dec 18, 2012 | Reply
Is it really that unfathomable to ask an NFL QB in this day and age to throw 8 passes for over 15 (FIFTEEN YARDS) in a game, and complete more then TWO of them???????????????? To whomever did this grading, I ask you again, ARE-YOU-KIDDING-ME? I understand that the bar has been set just a few inches off the ground for the most part, but with that statement I do believe they buried it ten feet below the ground! Don't blame Rex Ryan, don't blame Tim Tebow for being here, don't blame the WRs, don't blame the O line. If you are truly a Jet fan, like I am, you know exactly where to place the blame!
By Frank on Dec 18, 2012 | Reply
Is anyone really surprised?
By Byrdman on Dec 18, 2012 | Reply
(GROAN) When this game started my thoughts were "Please don't do anything incredibly STUPID" hoping (praying) the Jets would play a solid game and maybe eke out a win. I swear ! when the Jets had Titans pinned down at the 6 and lined up in Rex's vaunted "46" D, my thoughts were, "OH NO..You don't want to use that formation there Rex, if Johnson get's a crease nobody will catch him" LOL After that TD run I started thinking "Hope Titans can just put Sanchez and this poor team out of their misery" But Mark wasn't finished… This kid doesn't shoot himself in the FOOT, he shoots himself in the "Chandelier" so to speak:) This game drove a stake through ANY notion we might have entertained of Sanchez being a viable QB for the Jets !
By Jet Fan Since '64 Tom Ready for BIG Changes on Dec 18, 2012 | Reply
"Mark Sanchez returned to the game on the Jets' next possession and promptly threw his first of 4 INTs on the night as CB Jason McCourty beat Jeremy Kerley to the sideline on a comeback route. In his post-game remarks, Ryan left up to interpretation whether or not Tebow's entrance messed with the starter's rhythm. "That's for you guys to formulate your own opinions," Ryan said. "Mine? I don't think it matters. You know, I think when you go in, whenever your number's called, you go in and do your job." So after 4 yrs, Rex admits what I've always suspected — he doesn't understand how the Wildcat hurt Sanchez. Still think Rex's problem is just with the players he's got, scjoe? He wouldn't know what to do with Brady, Peterson, and Megatron!
By Jet Fan Since '64 Tom Ready for BIG Changes on Dec 18, 2012 | Reply
I see people are taking Woody's "I'll talk to you guys after the season" as code words for a total makeover. GREAT! Twice this yr the Jets were embarrassed as badly as I've ever seen happen to any NFL team on national TV. Ryan has zero credibility especially re QB play, O, passing, and SCORING, which is how you win. Like I told you folks a few days ago, he's still out there with his "I'd prefer to run the ball" junk and he doesn't even have a runner like Johnson, though he also doesn't know how to use McKnight. And it's GREAT to see Pace and other D players, like I've been saying about Revis, getting fed up with keeping other teams from scoring but losing because our O can't score. LOSERS, DREAMERS, AND APOLOGISTS, PREPARE TO FACE REALITY!
By 40 year fan , John on Dec 18, 2012 | Reply
People are going to have to go …
By JetBlue on Dec 18, 2012 | Reply
Right from the Boston Globe: "Apparently, being quarterback of the Jets is the NFL equivalent of being a Supreme Court justice. Once you have the job, the only way you can lose it is either through retirement or repose. Rex Ryan isn't exhibiting loyalty by sticking with his fallen franchise quarterback, he is stiff-arming reality, Heisman Trophy-style. If Belichick found a quarterback that gave him a better chance to win than Brady, that guy would be in the starting lineup tomorrow. On behalf of Patriots fans everywhere, thank you Rex for failing to realize that trying to supplant the Patriots with Sanchez at QB is like trying to win the Indy 500 on a bicycle. The NY Jets: the gift that keeps on gifting."
That about says it all.
By Karan on Dec 18, 2012 | Reply
I just knew it, i knew the Jets were going to break our hearts Monday night and in this case it was all Sanchez. I've been known to support him for a very long time but after last night man, I don't know what to say. I guess I'm with most of you now in saying a new QB change wouldn't hurt.
By Karan on Dec 18, 2012 | Reply
This season though from the beginning was a recipe for disaster, even though it was Mark last night, its been everyone on all the losses we have endured throughout the season.
Just End The Season
Its over. :/
By Karan on Dec 18, 2012 | Reply
Also what ticked me off was that low snap at the end, such a crappy feeling right now.
By Karan on Dec 18, 2012 | Reply
Don't know what happened, he used to be a clutch QB back in '09 and '10, made big plays when it counted the most to win games. He's just been losing it now and lost it these past 2 seasons. Don't understand how. Its unforunate.
By By Jet Fan Since 1964 Frank on Dec 18, 2012 | Reply
I am not going to get on the TT bandwagon. As far as MS, I will say it again, he is not an NFL QB and never will be. "IF" MS starts this coming Sunday then REX and Sparano should be fired right on the spot. If REX makes any excuses for MS he should be fired right on the spot. You can not make any more excuses for MS.
As for TT starting I disagree with that also. McElroy should start this week so he can show once and for all that he can lead a team to victory and possibly restore the negativity that the offensive team now has towards MS, in fact they have it with him and so have us fans.
Even Karen no longer supports him (MS)…
By Jet Fan Since '64 Tom Ready for BIG Changes on Dec 18, 2012 | Reply
Yes, Allan, on a night when Sanchez completes twice as many passes over 20 yards to the opponent as to his own players, your theory is as good as any. I gotta admit, scjoe, I was a little curious when you were actually saying playoffs and this team in the same universe. I'm just grateful that we're not going to worry about going 8-8 when the big worry is about getting as many high draft picks as possible. Nice to see you getting the message on Sanchez, Karan, which reminds me — thoughts, Ira? You've watched enough complete makeovers of this team in your day, it shouldn't kill you to see another one, especially one as badly needed as any since about 1975. Love the table analogy, GaryC, and some are already saying Polian's on his way here…
By Jet Fan Since '64 Tom Ready for BIG Changes on Dec 18, 2012 | Reply
From a tremendous Lombardi piece on the NFL site: "New York's off-season plan should not be complicated. Yes, they need more talent on the roster overall; yes, they need help at many positions. But until they fix the QB position — until they find a player they can build around — nothing will improve much. Want proof? Look at what Andrew Luck did for the Indianapolis Colts, or what Robert Griffin III did for the Washington Redskins, or what Russell Wilson did for the Seattle Seahawks. All three teams had talent, but adding blue chip players at quarterback made the difference, lifting up their rosters." DUH!
By Jet Fan Since '64 Tom Ready for BIG Changes on Dec 18, 2012 | Reply
"There's a new world comin', one that we've been dreamin' of," as Mama Cass once sang — Woody's "after the season," when he'll "talk to us guys," starts in 12 DAYS!
By Stevescs on Dec 18, 2012 | Reply
Hey Joey Defiant, don't see you here today. Is it because of MS play last night? Karan, glad to see you've finally come to your senses re Mark. I wasn't surprised by the outcome of last nights game. As I've said numerous times before, the Jets do not know how to win a game they need to. The NFL needs to keep the Jets from playing on national tv because they lay the biggest eggs when they do. Another embarrassing disaster… It was almost a relief when they lost, because a win would have just prolonged the disappointment of a bad season. There is no point in starting MS for the last two games. It's time to see what McElroy has, and if they don't, this organization is hopeless.
By kk on Dec 18, 2012 | Reply
Not sure if anyone noticed but on the last interests knuckleheads threw BilalPowell was standing in middle of the field and no one within 10 to 15 yards and could have walked to the 5 yd line. What does knucklehead do, throw into triple coverage. Sorry folks he's shot, done, finished. His head is so screwed up he"ll probably never recover.
The best thing they could have done to help the kid was to st him for a few games. Instea d they gambled and he only got worse. Nothing left to do but let him sit and get a veteran qb in there, draft another and start over.
For me, I'm done will not be renewing even though I"ll lose my psl money. 43 years of this is enough. I'd rather lose $1, 500 than renew and pay them another $2, 700!!!!
By GaryC on Dec 18, 2012 | Reply
When McElroy wins the next two games,Rex will look in the mirror and say to himself what a dope I was.
By kk on Dec 18, 2012 | Reply
McElroy named starter, to little to late, well it at least will make me watc h to see what the kid does
By SCfromNY on Dec 18, 2012 | Reply
Well Rex is STARTING MCELROY. This the chance most of us on this website have hoped for. A decent performance from McElroy should vindicate many of our posts, give us a proper win, and start some QB talk for 2013. I am wishing him the best. Hopefully after driving 75 yards Rex will not put in Tebow for his 1 yard run.
Kara: 2 opinions: If you watched the fumble at the end you saw Mark grab low but catchable ball but he backed up so fast he dropped it. After '09 & 10 Sanchez had no competition and regressed. If you know your job is safe there is no fire or determination or will to win.
By Marine1842 on Dec 18, 2012 | Reply
NOW IS NOT THE TIME TO BENCH SANCHEZ! We're out of the playoffs so keep him in so we can blow the rest of the games and get a higher draft pick….
Funny how now that the palyoffs are over for the Jets the coaching staff comes to the same conclusion that the fans have had all season… Bench Mark…. one game too late..
By Tom Spicer on Dec 18, 2012 | Reply
SCJoe, If your Kerley would be a pro bowler with Brady throwing him the ball. What would that make Braylon Edwards after he had 2 practices played in a game & was CLEARLY the better player than Kerley? Either Braylon is the best WR in the history of the world or Kerley is just a #3 NFL #3 AT BEST! I think it is the later.
By Tom Spicer on Dec 18, 2012 | Reply
SCJoe, Unless I am mistaken MONTHS AGO I said Sanchez is not the answer so I am not sure why my name is being brought up with Karan & IRA. I know you dont have the best memory but who has been the person on the site who has been talking about the college QB prospects for weeks? Answer ME!
By Tom Spicer on Dec 18, 2012 | Reply
SCJoe, Lets discuss this. I have repeatedly asked you with no answer to name an NFL team with a worse #1 WR than Kerley? I am still waiting for an answer.
By kw65fan on Dec 18, 2012 | Reply
We want MAC…We want MAC….only two games….show them kid….show then who the starter will be next year…..Be confident…be a leader…should have been done 6 games ago…if you see guys slacking on offense because there just going thru the motions…kick them out of the huddle, call a time out and get another player in there. Be strong…play smart that we know you can…
By Joe R on Dec 18, 2012 | Reply
@Karan… Do you really not understand, or are you just in denial? Sanchez has been a sub-par QB from day 1. He had an excellent team to bail him out in his first 2 years. But if you looked at his stats, you would see the truth that we all have known from the start; he isn't, and never will be, a starter.
50 interceptions in the last 2 seasons… you can't win with that kind of production.
I'm glad he failed in such a colossal manner on national TV. This way the whole country sees how awful he is. Even if we didn't have to keep him next season, no one would want him if we tried to trade him. After 4 years, the NFL has sen enough to know what he isn't capable of, winning BIG games.
By kw65fan on Dec 18, 2012 | Reply
One other thing Mac…do NOT take any suggestions from MS. do your own thing…
By Joe on Dec 18, 2012 | Reply
First of all BILL COWHER aint coming here because (as hes already stated )HE WANTS NO PART IN A TEAM WITHOUT A PROVEN QB .NOTHING IN THE NFL MATTERS WITHOUT A QB NOTHING .AS I PREACHED TO ALL THE DREAMERS LIVING IN A JET FANTASYLAND OF SB TO COME ALL LAST OFFSEASON THE OVERALL TALENT BASE ON THIS TEAM IS TERRIBLE .WE HAVE NOT BEAT A WINNING TEAM IN CLOSE TO 3 YEARS WAKE UP
By scjoe on Dec 18, 2012 | Reply
Ron, actually, I knew that they would not get the job done even given that field position with almost 50 seconds left. Not the way this sorry QB was playing. But I was expecting the INT or the sack fumble, the fumbled snap was about as bad as it can get. I am at a loss for words. Nice to see McElroy get the start, but it's just to little to late.
By ron alexander on Dec 18, 2012 | Reply
KARAN, I'll tell you what happaned;what ever confidence Sanchez ever had has been totally destroyed by a series of blunders to numerous to list here as Randy tries to keep it real.To make a long story short Tannenbaum failed both the team and Mark by surrounding him with a collection of retreads from other teams and rookies not ready for prime time. The O-line, R.b's,w.r's are simply not good enough. The decision to bring Tebow here has certianly contributed to undermine him as well.But the most damning thing has been his inability to raise his level of play which may have helped elevate some of his teammates .Sadly, he failed to seize the opportunity and our season speaks for itself.;
By Mike Jet Vet on Dec 18, 2012 | Reply
I'll bite the bullet, like Blinka, says no one cares what I think, So I'll say it once again before this game Sanchez was 90% at fault same mistakes 4 Int's and 2 fumbles costing us yet another easy game . NOW, After this game no matter how bad Sanchez played, I won't blame him anymore, Heck if Rex allows him to play then he has to play,..RIGHT, so now Rex is 100% at fault again installing a QB who can't comprehend or get the concept of winning football games, so I put the blame squarely on his shoulders, Defense RB's WR's back end all played well not great but looked like a team, without run back by CJ we win even with MS 4 INT's and 2 fumbles.. it's not rocket science .
By kw65fan on Dec 18, 2012 | Reply
By GaryC on Dec 18, 2012 | Reply
Well we finally get to see this generations Bart Starr or another Chad Pennington with a better arm,in either case it will be a big improvement.
By Bennett got Karan very mad on Dec 18, 2012 | Reply
Now lets see if the Jets will listen to me. You start McElroy the last 2 games finally FINALLY see what this kid has. DO NOT pull him for Tebow let him play it out. If he plays strong you might have your starter next year, if he plays OK you got your #2. Tebow is out at the end of the season, Bring in a Smith or any decent veteran, draft a PROSPECT to DEVELOPE for the future as your # 3.There will be a hidden raw gem in the 2013 draft, identify him, draft him, sign him and DEVELOPE HIM. Smith isn't great but he is improving as he matures, still young, He will not loose the game for you like Sanchez,solid, accurate, ball control type QB. Strong D, strong running game, Fire Sporano, fire T-baum, give Ryan one more year.
By scjoe on Dec 18, 2012 | Reply
Tom Spicer, to answer your question above, and I have said it many times before, maybe you just didn't get a chance to read it. YES, Kerley would be all pro with Brady throwing the ball to him, no doubt! Next question, what would that make Edwards? A "healthy" Braylon Edwards would also be an all pro with Brady throwing him the ball. Want even more proof? Danny Woodhead! What did he do in NY with "your guy" throwing him the ball? What has he done in NE with a real QB throwing him the ball? And make no mistake, if Welker were to go down Woodhead would fill that roll in a NY minute without skipping a beat. Why? Because of the QB! They have an elite one, we have you know who.
By scjoe on Dec 18, 2012 | Reply
Tom Spicer, I will answer your other question about Kerley with one of my own, name me another NFL team who has a worse starting QB then the NY Jets? Matter of fact, name me another NFL team who has a b/u QB worse then Mark Sanchez? Because I sure can't think of any. That should answer all of your questions about ALL of the NY Jets WRs.
By Viveca on Dec 18, 2012 | Reply
So much blame to go around it's hard to know where to start! Ryan proved he is not a head coach. He's a good defenisve coach-that's it! He's stubborn support of Sanchez cost us the playoff. Mac Elroy might only be a solid back up but that's all we needed to win against a sorry Titan team. Tannenbaum has left us with no depth and a cap mess. Woody okayed the Tebow deal to put fans in the seat. I used to like that he didn't meddle, but seeing the way his team unravled, I can't believe he didn't. Maybe he's as clueless about football as he was about Romney? We went from a playoff team to a bottom feeder in no time. We're not only bad, we're laughable!
By Jet Fan Since '64 Tom Ready for BIG Changes on Dec 18, 2012 | Reply
Funniest post of the day, Marine 1842. joe, hold your rant this time. What HC DOESN'T want to go somewhere with an elite QB? I don't need Cowher and his now-make-it-pretty-for-me haughtiness, I need a guy who's ready to come in and work hard, crack heads, take chances, develop players, and build a winner. If Cowher thinks we owe him a great roster from jump street, he can take a hike. Fact is he had a great roster at PIT most of the time and didn't do that much with it compared to some other HCs. Besides, he's a little stuck in the past with his own ground-and-pound jive, so he'll be no great loss. I'll take a college coach with a fierce desire to prove himself in the pros over some fatcat vet who's coasting on his resume anyday.
By Bennett got Karan angry on Dec 18, 2012 | Reply
Speaking of Smith or some one like him. I like to think of what our season would have been like with him as QB. 5 INT….70% completion ratio… over 9 games ? ( a little comparison here? ) Man I will take it. Never going to be an elite… no fireball… but man I will take it. The D might have to win the game but at least he will not, with individual Sanchez type play, loose it for you. Still not convinced the only way to a Superbowl is with an elite QB, smacks of pundit CAN'T EVER ,NEVER happen type pundit bull. "'Brady will never be a viable option as a starting QB in the NFL …bullfeathers…Montana has a weak arm…BULLFEATHERS… Pundits are mostly idiots… lotta scouts are total idiots
By Bennett got Karan angry on Dec 18, 2012 | Reply
Actually Sanchez has 50 turnovers in the last two seasons which makes him numero uno in the entire NFL
By Byrdman on Dec 18, 2012 | Reply
Bennett – Alex Smith would be the ideal "game manager" for a Rex Ryan team. I'll take Smith, provided the asking price isn't too high. If Jets clean house in 2013, the new GM will determine what to do with the QB's but It would be smart to bring in a proven vet like Smith while they draft and develop their "dream" QB. Glad to hear McElroy is starting, hope the Jets play well but lose the next 2 games and jump up a few spots on the 2013 Draft. Don't want Bill Cowher! His teams were loaded in Pittsburgh, look how they never skipped a beat under Mike Tomlin? Cowher is a product of the Steelers system, nothing more. Don't want that old "BITTER BEER-FACE" on the Jet sidelines.
By Jet Fan Since '64 Tom Ready for BIG Changes on Dec 18, 2012 | Reply
Hey Viveca, nothing against how anyone voted, I saw good and bad on both sides, but I'll say this: The day Woody hires a HC with the kind of resume Romney has in both business and government will be the day he proves that he's actually serious about building this team into a solid, consistent contender. Spicer, it's great that you've seen the light on Sanchez in the last few MONTHS, but I think scjoe's probably referring to your endless citing of meaningless stats for Sanchez all of last yr and your constant talk that he has no weapons and we don't protect him. Last night all his INTs were terrible throws, terrible decisions, all made with no pressure. Every drone Obama has in his arsenal and the best OL in football wouldn't help this guy!
By Tom Spicer on Dec 19, 2012 | Reply
SCJoe, Arizona, Kansas City, Jacksonville & Clevland.
By Tom Spicer on Dec 19, 2012 | Reply
SCJoe, Actualy that is NOT what happened. Danny Woodhead never even got a chance with the Jets so to say what did he do with Brady throwing him the ball as opposed to what he did on the Jets. You cant make that comparison cause he never played for the Jets only in pre season where he shined.
By Tom Spicer on Dec 19, 2012 | Reply
SCJoe, The Sanchez horse is dead it has been for a while. But this is what you do keep on kicking that horse MAYBE just maybe you can be the 1st person to kill something twice!
By Jet Fan Since '64 Tom Ready for BIG Changes on Dec 19, 2012 | Reply
On the money about Cowher, Byrdman, who barely squaked out an SB win on a bad call vs a terrible team. He's not talented or cutting-edge enough to remake the culture of this team and take it into the 21st century.
By By Jet Fan Since 1964 Frank on Dec 19, 2012 | Reply
At last!!! McElroy is getting his chance. For once REX done the right thing and benched MS and by-passed TT. "JOHNSON", time for you to start talking to "GRUDEN" as "HC", never mind rumors, just do it. Time to start looking at possible draft choices for February's Draft, such as: ERIC FISHER, OT; ODAY ABOUSHI, OT; KHASEEN GREEN, OLB; kEENAN ALLEN OR TERRANCE WILLIAMS, WR'S; DAYTONA JONES, DE. I could name a few more to look at but it's time to build a team us fans can respect. BUT, please start with the coaching staff and GM position.
By BillsJets on Dec 19, 2012 | Reply
ESPN Article dtd 19 Dec 2012 – Rex Ryan on benching Mark Sanchez – In dealing with it, I told Mark, I think we need to make a change, and he respected my decision. That's not easy, that's for sure. Then a little bit below that it shows a small block labeled – Sanchez Simply the Worst
AND REX STARTED SANCHEZ FOR 14 GAMES!!! Hello Rex Hello, Earth to REX
By Joe on Dec 19, 2012 | Reply
KW 65 WRONG AS WHEN WE BEAT THE COLTS THEY DID NOT HAVE A WINNING RECORD (WAKE UP) .WE have not beat a team with a winning record AT THE TIME WE PLAYED THEM IN YEARS .Get your facts straight BEFORE YOU POST
By Joe on Dec 19, 2012 | Reply
KW 65 THE COLTS WERE 1-3 WHEN WE PLAYED THEM (HOW IS THAT A WINNING RECORD ).Too many people come on this site and inturn post things THAT ARE FLAT OUT WRONG lol THE MAN TELLS ME TO WAKE UP AND NEVER BOTHERS TO CHECK A TEAMS RECORD AT THE TIME WE PLAYED THEM TYPICAL.
By Joe on Dec 19, 2012 | Reply
Randy could you please post the exact date the last time the Jets beat a team with a winning record at the time the game was played .
By Randy Lange on Dec 19, 2012 | Reply
Joe, since you asked, the Jets have not beaten a team this season that had a winning record when they played them. (The Colts were 2-2 when the Jets beat them in Week 6.) In 2011 the Jets defeated the Jaguars (1-0), Chargers (4-1) and Bills (5-2). In 2010 they defeated the Patriots (1-0), Dolphins (2-0) and Steelers (10-3) in the regular season and the Colts (10-6) and Patriots (14-2) in the playoffs.
By Joe on Dec 20, 2012 | Reply
By Randy Lange on Dec 20, 2012 | Reply
Joe, I think you and kw65fan are both right. There are three ways (among many) to measure the strength of an opponent: by its record at the time the teams meet, its current record, and its record at the end of the season. Many here, including yourself if I remember correctly, noted the Jets in 2011 didn't beat any teams with a winning record for the season. This year they will have beaten at least one, the Colts, who will finish no worse than 9-7.
By By Jet Fan Since 1964 Frank on Dec 20, 2012 | Reply
RANDY, have a question. I know I mentioned some draft picks that I would like to see the JETS try and land. Who do you like???
By Randy Lange on Dec 20, 2012 | Reply
Good of you to ask, Frank, but I haven't started my draft study yet and I tend to leave those questions to my partner, Eric Allen.
By Jet Fan Since '64 Tom Ready for BIG Changes on Dec 20, 2012 | Reply
Good pts on that winning record question, Randy.
By Joe on Dec 21, 2012 | Reply
Randy AS A FORTY PLUS YEAR FAN theres always a way to TRY TO LOOK AT THE BRIGHT SIDE TO EVERY JET SEASON .LOL THERES ALSO ONE COMMON DENOMINATOR TO EVERY JET SEASON=NO SUPER BOWL TROPHY.


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#RL Weather for Jets-Bills at Ralph Wilson Stadium today: ptly cloudy, temps in high 20s (wind chill around 9°), winds gusting to 20 mph.
#RL Jets 50-54 all-time vs BUF, 23-28 in western NY. But Jets have won last 6 in rivalry, 8 of last 9, and last 4 on the road.
#RL Mark Sanchez last 6 starts vs BUF: 6-0 record, 77-for-129 passing (59.7%), 941 yds, 11 TDs, 3 INTs, 3 sacks, 101.0 rating.
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#RL Rookie DE Quinton Coples (5.5) and Wilkerson (5.0)–former Hargrave MA teammates–are 1-2 for Jets sack leadership.
#RL Jets K Nick Folk: 18-for-23 on FGs this season. Career vs BUF: 10-for-12. @ Ralph Wilson: 7-for-9.
#RL Bills K Rian Lindell: 21-for-22 on FGs this season. Career vs NYJ: 25-for-27 on all FGs, 17-for-17 on FGs from 42 yds/closer.
#RL Jets HC Rex Ryan is 5-0 since '10 vs BUF HC Chan Gailey. Gailey is 0-6 all-time vs Jets (0-1
#RL NYJ inactives: QB Greg McElroy CB Ellis Lankster LB Bryan Thomas C Caleb Schlauderaff TE Dustin Keller WR Chaz Schilens (6 inactives).
#RL Jets roster at 52 players, including RB John Griffin, signed from practice squad during the week. Griffin is active, will wear No. 21.
#RL BUF inactives: QB Tarvaris Jackson WR Kevin Elliott S Da'Norris Searcy G Keith Williams DT Jay Ross T Chris Scott DE Mark Anderson
#RL CB Donnie Fletcher, LB Ricky Sapp, DT Damon Harrison also active for Jets.
#RL Today's referee is Terry McAulay. It's his 11th Jets game as ref since '01. Jets have won 4 of last 5 he's officiated in.
#RL Jets wearing white jerseys, white pants for today's game. Jets in white/white: 2-3 this season (wins vs BUF, STL), 16-12 u/ Rex Ryan.
#RL Jets D has held opponents to 6 conversions on their last 58 3rd downs. (0-for-2 vs NE, 0-15 vs ARZ, 2-16 @ jax, 2-13 @ TEN, vs SD 2-12)
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I suppose it makes no sense in lore burdened SFB, but for carefree FC land, a Vudar Battleship seems conspicuously missing. (now that I've finally tried them, I find the Vudar are quite fun)
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The Infestor is based on the Intruder. It replaces the side T/R beams with special sensors. It removes the forward T/R beam to slide the center systems up enough to double the hangar space and double the transporters. That is the entirety of the system changes. The Point Value is 208. It can carry the same satellite ship load as a Dominator.
The Missionary is based on the Conquistador. It replaces the T/R beams with special sensors. It removes three cargo boxes, and shifts things around to get a hangar the same size as an Intruder and three transporters. That is all of the system changes. The Point Value is 134. It can carry the same satellite ship load as an Intruder.
That is pretty much exactly what they would look like when published (including the Point Value). I went ahead an posted the specifics because I really am very curious to see whether you think they would still be useful given that you now know exactly what they will look like. (Plus few people in Federation Commander are into "rolling their own", so it isn't like this will hurt sales or anything.) I am also curious as to whether you would prefer one over the other.
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Posted: Wed Feb 13, 2013 8:47 pm
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They sound interesting. If I ignore the pointing for the moment then yes I'd certainly find them useful, and would very much like to try them out in our campaign (assuming someone doesn't win before I get the chance
My problem with Andros is that whilst they are good in 1 vs 1, they rely on certain abilities that become almost useless as you scale up the size of the battle. The ability to regenerate shields, or pull in power are of no use when the enemy is concentrating fleet level firepower at one target at a time - the target dies and never gets to regen, and the other ships get no power to pull in. Without much chance to use their panel regeneration it takes less to kill an Andro than a similar pointed galactic ship, coupled with their low firepower for the points spent they struggle hard in larger multi-ship fights as they are hit with the double edged sword of lower firepower than the enemy and less robust ships.
I recognise that the mechanics of Andro make it hard to balance them, at small fights they are possibly overpowered, at higher points they are badly underpowered. Galactic ships all use the same basic mechanics and so scale more or less the same.
What I was looking at trying was concentrating on satellite ships. They are the Andros most efficient providers of firepower, plus campaign wise it would mean that the motherships, that you really can't afford to lose, have less need to get stuck in and hang back a bit more. The fact that they have sensors is a nice bonus as well.
I've been pondering cost though for most of the day before before replying. Points wise I think they are far too expensive. The Infestor version in particular is way out of kilter with the Missionary. Both ships bring exactly the same capabilties to a fight (8Ph2, 2 sensors, 2 disdevs). The only real difference is that the Infestor is chunkier and will take more to kill. But at the size of fight you will be using such a support ship that extra 'padding' is not worth 70+ extra points over a missionary. The missionary itself is overpointed significantly IMO. Bear in mind I'm thinking about why I would want to take such a ship here as opposed to existing motherships, and not how it matches up in some 1 vs 1 scenario.
Taking 2 missionaries full of satellites and comparing to 2 intruders full of satellites (1 of which is an eel, to equal the sensors out) you end up with less firepower per point spent (quite noticeably at some key ranges), which sort of defeats the point, as far as I can see, of taking such a ship. In order to make a missionary useful I think it needs to be more like 80points. That may appear to be very cheap when compared 1 vs 1 with something else, but it isn't a ship that is intended to be used 1 vs 1, nor slugging it out. At 80 points per mothership you can have a fleet that has a little more firepower per point spent than the Intruder fleet at all ranges, but packs it in to the smaller, more fragile ships. The downside being that a good chunk of your force (~25%) would not actually be much threat - i.e. the enemy really only has to concentrate on killing 75% of your fleet, at which point the missionaries alone are little threat.
Doing the same thing, comparing 2 Infestors with 2 Doms plus satellites (inc Eel) you again find that the better ratio of firepower per point spent is with the dominator force, and that doesn't account for the fact that the dominators have 4 extra DisDevs, which are incredibly useful. To bring an Infestor force to a level where it could compete on a firepower per point with the Doms it would need to drop to about 100 points. I'm not even sure that would be worth the loss of 4 disdevs. Given that it brings nothing extra, in itself, to the fight over the missionary that seems not unreasonable compared to what I think the missionary is worth. When you are looking at support ships that are not likely to be up front at close range in 1200ish point games then the extra robustness beyond a missionary is only situationally useful.
Long story short, neither variant gets round the fact that Andros in the larger games die faster than their opponents. So in order to be useful they need to allow you to pack in at least as much firepower, and preferably a a bit more to counter the weakness of having that firepower concentrated in small fragile ships, whilst your big ships are largely just support. That requires that they be noticeably cheaper than what you are saying they are. All IMHO of course.
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One thing to bear in mind is that neither the Infestor or Missionary are supposed to be direct combat variants.
In a campaign setup, they are far more useful as a means of building (and sustaining) the Rapid Transit Network; placing satellite bases, upgrading them to base stations or battle stations, re-deploying them if discovered, etc. For example, the first known Infestor to arrive in the LMC brought with it a series of key components used to help construct the first Desecrator starbase.
Their Point Values (in
, at least) arguably reflect their strategic worth as RTN builders, as much (if not more) than their combat values.
So far as large-scale battles go, perhaps one option could be to bring the Devastator Battleship over from
Module R5
. Personally, I think it was a shame for it not to have been included with the ISC BB as a second double-sized card in
War and Peace
; but even if it may not get the chance to see print, perhaps it could go into a second Andromedan ePack.
(Perhaps that would-be ePack could also offer the
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, such as the Devourer battleship. A Devastator and Devourer combo, each carrying their full complement of satellite ships, would be a lot for a non-X Alpha force to handle; as they proved to be in the "dark future" timeline reported by the
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Posted: Thu Feb 14, 2013 9:32 am
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Their Point Values (in SFB, at least) arguably reflect their strategic worth as RTN builders, as much (if not more) than their combat values.
That may be true, but as a combat game FedCom is not really the place for such values. Such values belong in some strategic level expansion, (though I gather SFB has 2 values representing the difference between combat and economic values). Strategic value in FedCom is better represented by set scenrios with special victory conditions where the low combat value of the ships involved is not relevant.
Even if they are ships used to carry station parts and other such stuff then their values are still somewhat high. If I play such a game based on points I'm looking at an Infestor vs a BCH/DNL. That is not going to go well for the Infestor, if it gets close enough to use its Ph2s then it is in trouble against a ship that size, sensor or not.
Trying to point odd ships such as these Andro variants based on a 1 vs 1 is never really going to work well, the Infestor is hard to kill with Andro fiddliness and sensors, but equally it will struggle to kill much stuff.
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Most of the time, if a ship has a split BPV in
, the combat BPV (which is usually the lower one) is used; except for scout ships, in which case the economic BPV is used instead. So
is already providing most support variants or transport hulls at a discount compared to
, when it comes to running campaigns.
(This will be more relevant once
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comes out, depending on the mechanics which that system might use for setting up and running campaigns for
in particular.)
But from an in-universe perspective, part of the Andromedan dynamic is the amount of trouble they tend to have when a large enough fleet is able to assemble against a target they have to stand and fight over. The DisDev limits make it much harder for them to concentrate force in a given location, since they have to plan ahead by sending in different waves of Motherships to a given area and having them turn off their DisDevs in order to allow for reinforcements to arrive.
But the trick was trying to actually force them to fight over something they couldn't afford to lose. A battle station takes longer to disassemble and re-locate relative to a mere satbase, so the Andros would be more likely to have to stand and fight over one if they wanted to keep it. But even then, every large-scale Alpha force assembled to take out one such base makes for a larger amount of territory left exposed to assaults by other Motherships roving across the rest of the RTN.
The thing that made the Devastator (and its sister ship, the Devourer) so terrifying in the
timeline was that, for the first time, the Andromedans could concentrate the kind of force in one point that even fleets big enough to oppose two Dominators at once would struggle to deal with. The one advantage the Alpha empires had in a pitched battle was substantially reduced in one fell swoop. But even then, by the time the Andromedans were fielding battleships in the "dark future", the amount of damage done to the Alpha empires was such that holding any kind of territory away from the major planets or starbases was a serious challenge; the role of the battleships was to go in and take out the hard points which the Alpha fleets had left, one by one, until the entire octant would be left a shade of Andromedan green.
In case you are wondering, the Devastator clocks in at 610 BPV in
; it has 16 forward and twelve aft panel boxes, with 20 phasers-2, 6 TRHs (of which 16 and 5 can be used in the forward centreline resepctively), 6 displacement devices, and the equivalent of 36 hangar bay points in
The Devourer costs even more, at 660 points; it reduces the hangar bay capacity to 28, and has only 4 TRHs (3 that can centerline) and 4 DisDevs, while replacing those systems with no less than four dissection beams, all of which can front (or back) centerline...
(So a Devastator and Devourer would together cost 1270 points, before you start filling in the 64 hangar bay slots they have between them.)
Oh, and I dug out
Module R7
and checked the four Dominator variants in there. The one with the biggest hangar is the Dominion transport; costing 405 points, it has only two TRHs, but sports the same hangar bay capacity as the Devastator. Of the three other variants, the Demon has more PA panels but fewer weapons, the Demolisher has fewer panels but more weapons (both retaining the same hangar as the "base hull" Dominator), while the Dictator has no hangar space but even more weapons instead.
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I'm guessing since I find no mention of this that there is a 'lore' objection. But maybe I just fail at searching. Do Romulans ever share plasma tech with their Klingon pals? I'm thinking not so much like the plasma-F armed Fed ships, but rather something like a plasma variant C8 that trades the center disrupters for the big R torp. A Klingon with a punch weapon would be quite distinctive. (originally I was wondering the reverse, about Romulan k-ships that left some of the disrupters in, but I can see how that doesn't really make sense with cloaks)
Note--I'm not trying to make 'super-ship'. I went C8 level because that's the Romulan k-ship that gets an R. But really what I had in mind is something like the Gorn strike cruiser. With the hope that the odd mix of disrupters with an R-torp would give flexibility, but lack focus. The C8 might be too durable though.
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Things like that are dependent on spare parts and maintenance.
If you recall, they refitted the Sparrowhawks trapped in Klingon space, just for that reason. Maybe if Klingons and Romulans had a common border like Gorns/Feds, it would be likely.
The time to gain experience with tactics would be a limiting factor also, i.e. Russians and Chinese both having a learning curve with carriers.
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The reason you don't see many ships like that (e.g. a C8 with a Pl-R and disruptors) is that just because you know a technology (and the Klingons certainly know about and how to make plasma) doesn't mean you can make effective use of it. The Klingons quite simply didn't have an infrastructure to support the use of plasma, and they weren't interested in changing things around to do so. So, they stuck with what they knew and liked, which was disruptors and drones.
The Feds are a bit of a special case, but they had a much stronger economy and could afford to experiment with plasma. But, even then, they intentionally only used Pl-F (no longer* plasma) and did so only in an extremely limited manner.
EDIT: Just noticed this: instead of "no longer plasma", I meant to say "no larger plasma". Meaning, that the Feds used only Pl-F, and not Pl-G,S, or R. Not that the Fed Pl-F was somehow not really plasma any longer.
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This is an odd request, but could we get a FRD in communique?
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Maybe, if Mike figures out what rules would be needed to make an FRD something other than a target.
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Actually, I do have a good suggestion. The Kzinti need a scout type ship in comm. All the other races have one available for free in an issue of comm. The only Kzinti scout I know of was published in Captain's log. So a scout of some sort would be nice.
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John Aaron, wtop.com
WASHINGTON - Commutes in the D.C. area are among the longest in the country. Combine commutes with the region's unpredictable drivers, stretches of unforgiving pavement and painfully high gas prices, and that makes selecting the right car all the more important.
CNBC has come out with its list of best cars for commutes. The report uses several factors including roominess and fuel efficiency.
WTOP had experts weigh in on the selections.
The most basic cars on the list are the Chevrolet Cruze ($16,800), the Honda Civic ($15,755) and the Hyundai Elantra ($15,995).
Mark Phelan, auto critic for the Detroit Free Press, likes both the Cruze and the Elantra because of their 40-plus miles-per-gallon highway fuel economy, which he says seemed "almost like science fiction" just two or three years ago.
Phelan prefers the Cruze and Elantra to the Civic, which is slightly less fuel efficient. But he says there's not a bad choice in the group.
Ed Hellwig, editor at Edmunds.com, singled out the Elantra for its utilitarian approach.
"It just has a good, high-tech, four-cylinder engine that delivers solid mileage numbers, and it has all the features most people would expect," Hellwig says.
"It's about the size people would expect for a commuter car. Most people would be comfortable in it."
If those cars are too basic, a pair of upscale compacts also made the list.
The Mini Cooper ($20,200) is "an enthusiast's car that's fun to live with," says Phelan.
The Buick Verano ($22,585) is based on the more humble Cruze, but has enough improvements to justify the nearly $6,000 price difference.
"It's as quiet as a tomb. Quiet interiors are something Buicks have kind of hung their hat on, and they've definitely succeeded with this car," Phelan says.
Hellwig also says he, "can't think of any feature people would want and not get in a Verano."
Several cars that use electric power were included. But cars with more exotic technology, such as the Nissan Leaf ($27,700) and Chevrolet Volt ($31,645), only save owners money in rare circumstances because of their high initial cost.
Phelan says the Volt was his favorite car of the bunch because of its revolutionary technology. But he also says, "Nobody should buy a Volt or a Leaf in the expectation that it's going to pay for itself in the first four or five, even six or seven years."
Phelan adds that the all-electric Leaf could be a viable option for someone with a very predictable driving pattern, since it has about a 70-mile cruising range before needing a long time to recharge.
Even less expensive hybrids on the list, such as the Toyota Prius C ($18,950), take three to five years to recover the expense. Phelan calls the Prius C "really, really small" and prefers the conventional Prius hatchback.
A new kind of hybrid, the Chevrolet Malibu Eco ($25,235), tries to lessen the price premium by using a hybrid-lite mindset. Phelan says he's glad the unique car, which GM isn't promoting as a hybrid, made the list.
The Eco has a smaller battery pack than a traditional hybrid, and never runs in all-electric mode. Phelan predicts more cars will adopt this use of hybrid technology in the future.
But Hellwig says, while the car is interesting, the battery pack takes up space and makes the car less usable. For example, the rear seat doesn't fold down like the standard Malibu.
If a larger car that still gets good gas mileage is the ultimate goal, a diesel powerplant may be in order. Both Hellwig and Phelan like the choice of the Volkswagen Passat TDI ($25,995), which gets the same fuel economy as its Jetta TDI sibling despite being noticeably larger.
"If you have a longer commute where you're doing 40, 50 miles, that's a car that could really deliver good mileage numbers," Hellwig says, adding that it doesn't feel slow.
"It's really kind of the best of both worlds."
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(Copyright 2012 by WTOP. All Rights Reserved.)


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