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A Few Final Notes from the Buffalo FinalePosted by on January 2, 2013 – 2:16 pm
As we come off the holiday and into the bright, harsh sunlight of 2013, we're awaiting any developments in the Jets' postseason plans along with the start of the playoffs. While in neutral in that area, here are a few loose ends that we wanted to tie up from the season finale at Buffalo:
Big-Play JK
For many skill position players, their 40 time is important. For Jeremy Kerley, his "40" plays are paramount.
Kerley had a pair of 40-yard receptions from Mark Sanchez at Buffalo — the slip screen that converted third-and-16 in the second quarter (which as we noted Sunday was the longest third-down conversion completion since Sanchez-to-Braylon Edwards on third-and-21 in 2009 Game 5 at Miami, Edwards' first game as a Jet) and the sideline grab over Stephen Gilmore in the third quarter.
This generated several 40-yard factoids:
■ It was the first time in 41 games that the Jets completed two 40-yards-plus passes in a game. The last time was 2010 Game 10 vs. Houston, when Sanchez hit Santonio Holmes for a 41-yard TD, then found Edwards late for the 42-yarder that set up Holmes' comeback-securing second TD.
■ It was the first time a Jet had two 40-yard receptions in the same game since the 2009 AFC Wild Card Game at Cincinnati, when TE Dustin Keller nabbed 45- and 43-yarders from Sanchez.
■ It was the first time a Jets WR had two 40-yarders in the same game since 2007 Game 15 at Tennessee, when Jerricho Cotchery caught 48- and 41-yarders from Chad Pennington.
■ And just for fun, I went back to the last time a WR caught two 40-yarders in a Jets victory. That was Santana Moss, who had a 65-yard TD and a 43-yard catch from Pennington in the 2003 Game 9 overtime win at Oakland.
Here's some related trivia:
The Jets' last seven 40-yard pass plays have all involved Kerley. He had five 40-yard receptions this season. And he completed the 41-yard pass to Matt Mulligan in the 2011 season finale at Miami and the 42-yarder to Clyde Gates vs. San Diego.
All we can say is, Jeremy, keep 'em comin' … and maybe if you can cut back on your NFL-record number of punt fair catches from this season as well, that would be AOK, JK.
Third-Down D Lost Its Grip
The Jets defense put together a strong piece of third-down efficiency since the end of the New England Thanksgiving turkey. Through the first third-down situation of the third quarter Sunday, the D had allowed just seven conversions on 63 third-down plays. That's an 11.1% rate that's great in anyone's book.
However, the defense couldn't hold on after that as the Bills converted six of their last nine third downs, including a pair of Brad Smith "Mizzou"-style runs, for the 4-yard touchdown and a 16-yard pickup.
And it sometimes gets overlooked in assessing "crunch-down" defense but from Arizona on, opponents converted on six of seven fourth downs, including Tashard Choice's late 13-yard dash on Sunday.
Still, the Jets finished 12th in the NFL with an opponents' third-down conversion rate of 30.2%, and that was quite an improvement from 31st at a 40.8% rate after the Patriots game.
Penalty Progress
Muhammad Wilkerson had only one roughing-the-passer penalty marked off against him all season, back in Game 6 vs. Andrew Luck and the Colts. And it didn't really look like a flaggable offense when Mo crushed Ryan Fitzpatrick hard in the pocket, not late, no helmet-to-helmet, no blow to the head, in the third quarter and was called for roughing by ref Terry McAulay.
Wilkerson evidently didn't think so either, because on the next series he popped Fitz again, quite legally, then looked at McAulay with his hands out, as if to say, "Was that one OK, ref?"
The Jets took four penalties for 45 yards on the day at Buffalo, one of which was quite unusual — when LB David Harris jumped offside on a Fitzpatrick hard count on the Bills' opening drive. It was the Hitman's first penalty of any kind in 33 games, or since getting served for a facemask against BenJarvus Green-Ellis in the 2010 AFC Divisional Round Game at New England, and Harris' first presnap penalty in his six-year career.
The team totals were still in keeping with the Jets' emphasis on cutting down on penalties in the second half of the season. They finished fourth in the NFL for fewest penalties with 83 and third for fewest penalty yards with 708. The last time they had less than their 233 yards in penalties from Games 9-16 in an inseason eight-game span was in '07.
Turnover Tale of Woe
We wrote about how important it was for the Jets to come up with a big takeaway/giveaway effort in our advance for the game at Tennessee. It didn't work out that way, of course, as the Jets went minus-5 in that game, the centerpiece of their turnover travails late in the season.
Mark Sanchez had 18 interceptions, eight lost fumbles and 26 individual giveaways for the second straight season. And the offense had a 17.5% turnover drive rate (34 GAs, 194 drives) that was third-highest in the NFL behind Kansas City (18.8%) and Philadelphia (17.9%).
But the defense didn't lighten the load down the stretch. The Jets had no interceptions their last three games, and the Mike DeVito force/Yeremiah Bell recovery of C.J. Spiller's fumble to open the third quarter was the only FF and FR in the last five games.
Revising that GA/TA stat we mentioned last week, the Jets combined for a minus-14 turnover margin for the season, their lowest since the 1996 team went minus-20. And their minus-15 over the final six games equaled the lowest inseason six-game TO margin in franchise history, set in the final six games of the '76 season.
Tags: Buffalo Bills, Chad Pennington, David Harris, Jeremy Kerley, Mark Sanchez, Muhammad Wilkerson, Santana Moss
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By richie on Jan 2, 2013 | Reply
No matter what anyone has said, this is the worst season the Jets have had in a few years. I'm pleased that Tannenbaum is gone because he provided Rex with less and less talent in the last two years and that made it more difficult for Ryan to give a quality performance. I've been a season ticket holder since 1965 and it's disappointing to see a team lose cohesion (we've been there a few times before). In my forty-eight seasons as a Jets fan I have no frame of reference to judge the Tebow/Sanchez/Quarterback situation. It was disgraceful and disrespectful to two good guys. If management will leave it to the professionals to handle personnel decisions then we would not have had this fiasco. I know Rex will concentrate on rebuilding.
By kleckofan on Jan 2, 2013 | Reply
Sticking entirely to this article:
Kerley is the real deal, though all the fair catches are a bit troubling.
Mo Wilk' is the real deal.
Sanchez is as far from the real deal as the limits of our universe allow!
Fire tannenbaum…oh sorry…just a habit.
By kleckofan on Jan 2, 2013 | Reply
On other matters…the most interesting thing I heard said as we headed towards Black Monday was a question about "dead salary cap dollars". Which team in the history of the league had the greatest amount of dead cap? Answer: the 2012 Indy Colts! What does this mean? It means that you can bite the bullett on bad contracts and move forward and still WIN! Of course, you have to have someone evaluating talent to do it, we'll see. What does this mean to us? We should bite the bullet on the Sanchez contract and move on from him. On Tebow, do not allow him to just be released, get something for him even if its a 6th or 7th rounder. Trade Santonio for anything; start building a team.
By kleckofan on Jan 2, 2013 | Reply
here's the SI article on teams with the largest dead cap money:
The Colts made the playoffs despite having 30% of the cap as dead space (in essence they only had $90m to work with), mostly Peyton, but also Dallas Clarke, Bracket, Bullitt and Adai.
A good GM is essential, let's not knee jerk this one, pleeease!
By 40 year fan , John on Jan 2, 2013 | Reply
Can someone please call Bill Parcells ? At least talk to him .. For the love of GOD…
By 40 year fan , John on Jan 2, 2013 | Reply
QB's that could be lured here …Matt Lienart , Phillip Rivers , Jay Cutler , Matt Stafford ….Any of these guys need a new improved front line blocking …Or they will be running for their lives just like Sanchez ..
By 40 year fan , John on Jan 2, 2013 | Reply
Karan had stated she pretty much doesn't care about our linebackers , and besides David Harris, I would consider drafting all new speed , youth , and power at that position . It is just getting painfull watching how slow we have become ..We need to take some lessons from the Giants on how to draft ..They have done a top notch job …
By Karan on Jan 2, 2013 | Reply
Very surprised to hear about Ray Lewis retiring. Such an outstanding outstanding player, the leadership and passion the guy bought to the game, it was just amazing. I felt like he had 2-3 years left in the tank but you can understand in his press conference for his time to hang it up. I don't like the Ravens but have a ton, ton of respect for Ray Lewis.
By Karan on Jan 2, 2013 | Reply
Irate Vilma says 'we are not the Jets' in regards to the anonymous bashing of Saints DC by a Saints player. Oh, what an influence the Jets have become.
By Tom Spicer on Jan 2, 2013 | Reply
This GM search has to over in the next 3 weeks. We need to have a GM in place for the Senior Bowl.
By Chicago Bob on Jan 2, 2013 | Reply
Talk around the league is that no quality person would be interested in inheriting this mess however when you think about it, there are some positives. The person taking over could basically go thru his first year and not have to worry about too much criticism by simply blaming the poor contracts on handcuffing his ability to bring in quality free agents or Rex's inability to coach. After year #1 the Sanchez & Holmes contracts will no longer be the burden they currently are and the new GM will (most likely) have his second draft in a row with a top ten 1st round pick. The Jets do have a state of the art facility and an owner who fill fork over the cash (a long list of incredibly bad contracts will prove that). Tune in.
By 40 year fan , John on Jan 2, 2013 | Reply
WOODY – Most important …I hope we don't just rush into a quick hire to fill the position …WE NEED TO TAKE SOME TIME AND REALLY ANALIZE THIS , as it is of the most extreme importance …We can't afford to screw this up …
By THUNDER LIPS on Jan 2, 2013 | Reply
Even Randy can't spin the positive anymore. i gues Kerly has established himself as a solild slot receiver whose value will increase once we get a legitiamte 1 and 2.WR. Keep Braylon Edwards please.
By IRA on Jan 2, 2013 | Reply
Told you guys 2 years ago Kerley wil be a player. Loved what i saw from the kid the first time i saw him at practice. He will only get better once they move him back into the slot next year.
The turnover ratio was real bad this year and they must improve on that to win games.
Everybody here knows how i think Edwards never should have been let go. Has he lost a step for sure. But he is so perfect to have back to help Hill next year. Yes he did make a mistake taking off his helmet but i will cut him slack on that only because he seems to want to be with this team and help them any way he can to get back to winning. Lots of work to do and Tuesday should be an interesting day. Anything is possible.
By 40 year fan , John on Jan 2, 2013 | Reply
If I was Tanny I sure would not have pinned my survival on Santonio Holmes , meanwhile getting rid of Braylon, and Cotchery…And I still don't understand Kyle Wilson in the draft over Gronkowski , when we had Cromarte , And Revis .? ? It's like signing Tebow when we had Sanchez and Mac ? We stack up on positions we already have players for . If they are no good get rid of them ….Don't keep aquiring inadequate players ..
By 40 year fan , John on Jan 2, 2013 | Reply
Randy , I apologize for my negativity lately ..But I have been honest …But this has reached rock bottom once again ..
By 40 year fan , John on Jan 2, 2013 | Reply
I am sick of watching this circus / charade for 40 years ..I am seriously considering the possibility that I won't live to see a championship in my lifetime ..
By 40 year fan , John on Jan 2, 2013 | Reply
If you think about a position here with the Jets it really is not that bad of a situation . We have a good defense in place , although a little long in the tooth …What we really need is to concentrate all efforts on the offensive attack …We have nothing on offense except Braylon, and Keller …
By Mike Jet Vet on Jan 2, 2013 | Reply
My Thought, Who ever Woody hires as our GM , Rex should explain to Sanchez since he bit the bullet and stood by him with his loyalty at the risk of getting run out of town on a rail I MIGHT ADD . he must Redo his contract out of respect for that loyalty, next for the fans and owner who put up with a very horrible performance for a# 5 and Millions he's been paid , Holmes and Revis need to be dealt with firmly or be gone.This will give our New GM some cap room to build, in my opinion it's only right for the good of all things JETS
By kleckofan on Jan 2, 2013 | Reply
Let's not get back to defending Sanchez based on lack of complimentary players. The things he lacks have nothing to do w other players. Making the wrong decision is still making the wrong decision, if the guy at the other end catches it or not (or intercepts it). Not securing the ball, panicking, lack of leadership, lack of presence etc etc. These things are not fixable by adding talent. We should not have to "hide" our QB's inadequecies by adopting a Neanderthal scheme.
As I said, if Sanchez is our starter next year I am done with this team forever. My vote is to cut bait, admit the mistake and move on. It will be hard enough to find a great GM w Rex still here, don't compound the problem by saddling someone w Sanchez too.
By George on Jan 2, 2013 | Reply
40 year fan if Rivers or Cutler were the QB on this team they would have had a fist fight with one of the offensive linemen after getting knocked down as many times as McElroy did. The only problem would be where would the jets get the cap space for a big time FA or QB?
By George on Jan 2, 2013 | Reply
I would hope the way things turned out with Parcels and the Fish
Woody would not go that route.
By Jet Fan Since '64 Tom Still Hoping for Real Change on Jan 2, 2013 | Reply
From Cimini: "Another source described Ryan as "anxious" [now you know how I feel every time "Mark" takes a snap, Rex] because of the uncertainty surrounding the organization. Even though he received a public vote of confidence from Johnson, albeit in a press release, Ryan has concerns because he won't have any input in the GM interviews, sources said. [HE SHOULDN'T HAVE ANY!] Ryan could end up working for a stranger, knowing he will be in make-or-break situation next year." Working for a stranger who'll be tough on him and ready to fire him at a moment's notice while keeping his mind on this team and not on Rex's mouth and ego would be…THE BEST POSSIBLE SCENARIO SHORT OF FIRING REX RIGHT NOW!
By kleckofan on Jan 2, 2013 | Reply
Since there has been no comment about Rex definitely being HC (has there?) I hope that the situation is only that he'll be "back in some capacity". I would love to see a new GM come in and offer Rex the DC position or nothing. Then hire a HC and OC and, if need be, DC. Alternatively, if Woody has guaranteed Rex the HC, I hope the new GM hires an OC who would be a viable HC in a yr. IMO it was foolish to keep Rex, he should be held accountable for the locker room issues, the game mngmt issues, some personnel issues and the lack of any offensive capabilities (and the horrendous media relations). BTW, our 3rd down conversion stats were great against abysmal teams, totally skewed.
By Jet Fan Since '64 Tom Still Hoping for Real Change on Jan 2, 2013 | Reply
klecko, you know Kerley had all those fair catches because Rex, for all his blather, is afraid to roll the dice, especially when it comes to scoring points, which he hasn't noticed the rest of the league is doing in bunches. Left to his own devices, Kerley would do just fine, maybe approach Hester-Cribbs status.
By Jet Fan Since '64 Tom Still Hoping for Real Change on Jan 2, 2013 | Reply
Yeah, Ira, a lot of us liked Kerley right away, he showed skills way beyond his yrs like with YAC ability. But let's not forget that Rex had no idea how to use him until Holmes, Mason, and Plax went to him and Schotty and said that Sanchez is terrible, the fall for which Mason took. Rex continues to be the most clueless HC I've seen in a long time with regards to O, player development (especially on O), and discipline. Thankfully, that sentiment, which so many of us have been saying on this site for at least 2 yrs, is now becoming commonly heard around the league as well. This guy's fifteen minutes are up and I hope he's gone when Woody realizes he needs a real GM and a whole new approach.
By SCfromNY on Jan 2, 2013 | Reply
Biggest hope is for a huge "culture" change. Score points and strive for taking the division not a wildcard.
Why is Sporano still here?
New GM will not want Rex.
Sanchez and Holmes please leave. The Jets can eat your bloated salaries and have a poor 2013. We need to build for the future now.
No disrespect to RGIII or Wilson but we need a Brady /Brez/Manning type.
By Another Tom on Jan 2, 2013 | Reply
Kerley is a keeper at Wr …but we should find another punt retun guy…Sweet…We get to play the Raiders at home this year!
By MIKE on Jan 2, 2013 | Reply
Wow. If you sit and look at this team on paper they are really in over there heads. This will be a major challenge for the new GM. The Jets are so thin in so many areas that need upgrade. At this point trading Revis could mean adding good players at many positions.
1) QB Alex Smith is the only decent QB option via free agency
2) OLB Pace and Thomas both will be gone with no replacement.
3) OL Two G will be FA with Ducasse as replacement. Ouch
4) RB No playmaker at this position since Leon
5) ILB Not sure if Scott will be back
6) TE Keller is not a real TE.
7) Pouha is getting old and Ellis hasn't proved himself worthy.
By Bennett on Jan 2, 2013 | Reply
Gary C… Now I remember why I stopped reading your posts. Blanket statements like "rushing QB's don't last "… wiithout really knowing what your talking about.THE TOP 5 rushing QB's of all time and the years the played you might recognize some of the names
. #1- Cunningham 16 yrs…-#2- Steve Young 15yrs…-#3- Vick 10yrs..# .4- Fran Tarkenton 17 yrs.. # 5.-John Elway 16 yrs.. So ALLl of the top 5 rushing QB's of all time played 15 yrs or more except Vick who is still active.
I can get nonsense on TV.I don't need to read it on this site thats why your one of the ones I learned to skip
By Bennett on Jan 2, 2013 | Reply
Gary C … while we are on the subject of you I must take exception to another statement you made seemingly off the top of your head, as usual, and without any real thought. Bradford elite ? In 2011 in 10 games he had 6 TD's and 6 INT with an elite 53.5.completion rate.Hmmmm ??? Wasn't 2011 when they made the #2 pick deal ? Did they have a fortune teller on staff ? A Crystal Ball prehaps ? Hence the "they already had an elite QB " statement makes no sense as he was not at that time or now an elite .He is a good young QB no doubt about that but he be sittin home Sunday.and RG3 bees playin, Ain't that right ?. Maybe after watching him this year a few Ram fans might have said WE SHOULDA KEPT THAT PICK man… shoulda…man
By al c on Jan 2, 2013 | Reply
i knew our season was over when they hired tony sparano. why on Gods green earth would they hire him as an offensive coordinator. he went from offensive line coach to head coach. he has no offensive coordinator experence. its gonna be a long long time till we see a winning franchise of gangreen.
By chris long time jet fan on Jan 2, 2013 | Reply
By scjoe on Jan 2, 2013 | Reply
Spicer, in an earlier story you "scolded me" for putting ALL of the blame on Sanchez and none on his supporting cast. Before I address that, I have to ask you, didn't you jump off his bandwagon about 4 or 5 weeks ago? Didn't I hear you say that "you" were the one talking about the crop of college QBs coming out, and that you have officially jumped ship? Maybe I misunderstood those comments. Anyway, since it appears you are still defending him, I will say that you are right. It was wrong of me to place 100% of the blame on Mark Sanchez, so, after further review let me correct myself, realistically, I will say 90% of the blame goes to Sanchez and 10% to the OC, O Line, WRs, RBs, play calling etc. etc, blah, blah, blah! OK?
By scjoe on Jan 3, 2013 | Reply
To all of you guys ganging up on JOE CAPS, have you ever heard the term "don't shoot the messenger?" because it applies here. Believe it or not, like it or not, what he says is factual, it is not opinion, it is not fantasy. Look at past SB winners, do the math, and ask yourself, "what percentage of SB winners had quality QBs leading their teams?, what percentage of SB winners won because they had shut down defenses? What percentage of SB winners won because they had an "elite" running game and a mediocre QB?" When you get the answer come back and tell me!! You may be surprised.
By ELI RODRIGUEZ / on Jan 3, 2013 | Reply
If I was Rex, I wouldn't hold my breath. A respected competent GM will never keep Rex. RUSS BALL 4 GM—— (H.C.) LOVIE SMITH, I would consider him along with MARK HELFRICH (OREGON DUCKS) as the (O.C.)—– (IMO) Since it's unlikely we will acquire a decent QB this year–Everyone is welcome to compete (Even M.S.) for QB—-2013 schedule looks like we might not get to 500.(Again) 1) O-line-QB-RB-WR—-2) LB'S—3) REX gotta go.
By IRA on Jan 3, 2013 | Reply
I would think it would be safe to say they will have a new GM by the end of next week. All the negative hits the Jets are taking for not talking yet is not good but i truly believe a lot of things are up in the air including who might be the HC so i understand the silence.
By GaryC on Jan 3, 2013 | Reply
You can cut a third of this roster,fill it out with the draft,college free agents and lower end NFL free agents and be more successful then the jets were this past year.
By Tom Spicer on Jan 3, 2013 | Reply
Sources tell ESPN New York that Rex Ryan wants former Chargers coach Norv Turner to replace Tony Sparano as his offensive coordinator.
Sparano is hanging in limbo as the Jets search for a new general manager. His offense was ridiculously uncreative in 2012, ranking 28th in points and 30th in yards. Anonymous players told the Daily News that "they didn't think he was a capable play caller."
By THUNDER LIPS on Jan 3, 2013 | Reply
Randy, can you answer a question for me. Is it true that difference in cap hit this year between releasing sanchez and keeping him is about 4.3 million.
if that is the case, It comes down to this. does this team want to deal with the paiin now or next year. i say cut all the dead weight. Trade or release sanchez and holmes for that matter (try to get something) while you still have them. Take the cap hits now so you atart with a clean slate next year. if we do not cut sanchez now we will have a big cap hit for him next year too. its just delaying the pain. if we are going to rebuild then REBUILD. don't do halfway.
By Randy Lange on Jan 3, 2013 | Reply
Thunder Lips, I have no information regarding the Jets' salary cap, but there's been a lot of reporting going on regarding different scenarios and how they might affect the Jets' cap.
By Bennett on Jan 3, 2013 | Reply
Gary C … Before I consign you back to oblivion as far as I am concerned allow me to show you the correct way to post. " While RG3 rushing stats are impressive rushing QB's are many times subject to injury. RG3 was already injured in his first year and Vick probably never had a complete season "( here you should take some time to look this up ) As far as the Rams they already thought the had a QB for the future so it was a smart move to get all those picks as the were not in the market for a QB. Get it? This makes sense. Meanwhile I will continue to read, learn and apprecicate the posts from 64, Spicer, Karan, RonBo, Byrdman and many others. You just continue with your endless banter with JOE CAPS.
By THUNDER LIPS on Jan 3, 2013 | Reply
Randy and everyone for that matter
what do you think about packaging Sanchez and holmes and trading them to someone for maybe a no 3 or low no 2. try to get them to eat some of the salary so that we lessen the cap hits. do you think any teams out there would be intereseted. Teams that come to mind are Arizona, the Bears, even the eagles especially if Vick is gone, just a thought.
these are things that this administration needs to think about. think outside the box. There should be no thought of winning next year. it should be the first year of rebuilding. with that said the goal should be to be able to start fresh in 2014 with minimal cap issues also while having played your young guys and draft picks to see what you have,
By Tom Spicer on Jan 3, 2013 | Reply
I would love for the Jets to get Norv as there OC. He was not the best head coach. But he is a proven OC which is what we need. Rex knows nothing about O but he is a good D coach. So we need a OC that is experience. Thats why I wanted the Jets to hire Todd Haley last year as there OC instead of Sparano. The Steelers got Haley the proven guy & we got Sparano. The Jets love to go with the 1st time coaches instead of the proven guys I cant stand that.
By Tom Spicer on Jan 3, 2013 | Reply
The best free agents this year. QB Flacco. RB Reggie Bush & Rashard Mendenhall. WR Dwyane Bowe, Mike Wallace, Greg Jennings, Wes Welker & Danny Amendola. DE Osi & Cliff Avril. OT Jake Long, Ryan Clady, Andre Smith, Branden Albert & Sebastian Vollmer. If we do anything in free agency these are the guys we should be looking at.
By GaryC on Jan 3, 2013 | Reply
Bennett,you and Joe must be brothers,Joe thinks every quarterback is elite,the comment I made was a facetious one concerning Bradford as elite,wake up,please.and they do have a lot of money tied up in Bradford unless another team wanted to take it on.It is not as easy as you think to make deals.so were they taking RG3 with the second pick and have Bradford on the bench.
By SCfromNY on Jan 3, 2013 | Reply
For 32 games Sanchez's news conference has focused on; "I need to play better, I need to avoid mistakes, I have to take better care of the ball, and I was just a little off". He is being paid MILLIONS to play QB in the NFL. After 4 years this is simply inexcusable. There are many 1rst round top 10 drafted QBs who did not work out. Everyone makes mistakes look at #1 Peyton & #2 Leaf. BUT the biggest mistake is failing to recognize your mistake and having the courage to admit it and fix it no matter what.
Start with the QB and your philosaphy.. In today's NFL you need to score points. You keep pouring it on even if up 35-7. Change your mindset. Score points. Win games. Go to SB.
By Tom Spicer on Jan 3, 2013 | Reply
My plans for the Jets in 3 posts 1 for the O, 1 for the D if we go to a 4 -3 & 1 for the D if we stay in a 3 -4. All without us spending any money in free agency. With the cuts of Pace, Scott, Eric Smith & Jason Smith. The Jets will generate over $20 MIL to resign there own free agents. Which should be more than enough. 1st we need to get a new GM in the next 3 weeks before the senior bowl. A proven talent evaluator a good personell guy. I could care less about a contract guy or a salary cap guy. Hire a accountant for that! Than we need a proven OC a guy who has done it before. Rex despite his faults is a very good D coach but he knows nothing about O. We need a guy to come in to run the O like a Norv turner or a Cam Cameron.
By trexibmer on Jan 3, 2013 | Reply
Jets had a chance to use Tebow repeatedly in a larger role in the offense and failed to. What a travesty and what a waste. I know Tebow would not have thrown as many intercepts, had as many fumbles, and might have come close to Sanchez's pass completion pct.
By Tom Spicer on Jan 3, 2013 | Reply
SCJoe, In regards to your JOE CAPS post. I will answer those questions. 1 NO ONE said that having a good QB does not matter BUT JOE CAPS said ALL that matters is the QB NOTHING ELSE. Your D does not matter, Your coach does not matter, Your O line does not matter & your skill postion players do not matter. We have had to see this post OVER & OVER & OVER for more than a year. "what percentage of SB winners had quality QBs leading their teams? many BUT what percentage of SB winners won because they had shut down defenses? Prior to the last 10 years over 90% What percentage of SB winners won because they had an "elite" running game and a mediocre QB?" Prior to the last 10 years AGAIN MANY!
By IRA on Jan 3, 2013 | Reply
If Woody is going to keep Rex then i think they should hire Cohen as the new GM. He is familar with the team and has a very good resume to be a GM. If he decides to hire a GM from the outside then all bets are off about Rex coming back.
By Tom Spicer on Jan 3, 2013 | Reply
SCJoe, Unlike you I have the ability to man up & admit when I am wrong about something. Similar to that back QB for the Seahawks that you were raving about all of last year who had 1 good game. This year he got beat out by a rookie 3rd round pick & we never be heard form again LOL.
By THUNDER LIPS on Jan 3, 2013 | Reply
Spicer … you go after the O line, in free agency. get two of them Long is too expensive. get 2 of the other guys. get rid of Ducasse. make the new guys fight it out with Howard and Slausion for the starting jobs. WR-keep edwards let him train Hill. kerely is your slot guy. i think we bite the bullet on holmes. whehter its sanchez or some new guy, holmes is a sickness and will stunt the growth of anyone. trade him to someone who needs a legit no 2 receiver (chicago) or Arizona. with a bolstered o line i think Green and POwell will be just fine.
By Karan on Jan 3, 2013 | Reply
If Mark comes back, they need to hire Norv Turner. The Jets need a RB, Rashard Mendenhall or Reggie Bush would be great to have. Braylon must be re-signed. We are set with Kerley at the slot, Stephen Hill continue to learn but if Holmes does not return, Jets should look at Dwayne Bowe. He probably won't be expensive as Jennings or Wallace even though the prefer Jennings the most. First things first, start talking Woody, stop hiding and hire a legit GM!!!
By the former ron alexander now Ronbo19 on Jan 3, 2013 | Reply
BENNETT, Good job in your discussion with GARY C. While I agree with you on this issue I would urge you to give Gary C his due as well as the Q.B's you mentioned were more about running when they had to. There is an equal list of Q.B's who ran on designed plays like Vince Young,Jeff Blake,and of course Michael Vick who either had there careers shortened or are no longer effective as a result of being injured. It is almost impossable for Def. Coordinators to account for running Q.B's so they pretty much want to punish them at every opportunity.This is not a good way to have a long career.Too much speed on defences in todays game.But I love R.G.III
By 40 year fan , John on Jan 3, 2013 | Reply
Spicer Norv Turner is awefull . That would be an epic fail ..
By 40 year fan , John on Jan 3, 2013 | Reply
George— Rivers , and Cutler are having the same front offensive line problems ..No blocking ..We have to fix that NO MATTER WHO is back there chucking the ball ..Hopefully that is step one with an offensive coordinator . Hopefully a new GM recognizes and addresses our issues..
By 40 year fan , John on Jan 3, 2013 | Reply
Spicer you are right about proven successfull coaches though . Although alot of great coaches come from old ex players …
By 40 year fan , John on Jan 3, 2013 | Reply
Thunder Lips is onto something with " Packaging guys up together to go " in some deals …Re nogotiate their contracts, then trade em . We got to free up cap space to bring in a whole new regime ..And I am all for a Santonio trade . I wonder if Larry Fitzgerald would not welcome a change ? Braylon Edwards left, and Larry Fitz Right . Matt Stafford at QB . A new line , and a good RB …
By Byrdman on Jan 3, 2013 | Reply
Thunder – If I'm the Jets I make that deal in a heartbeat :D That's a DREAM trade for us. Problem is, Mark's performance has exposed him to the rest of the NFL as a mediocre game manager at best, a turnover machine when blitzed. Holmes is coming off a serious injury and has a bad reputation as an overpaid Diva type wide-out. To me Holmes is the poster player for guys that made ONE big play in the SB then cashed in big-time.
Teams know Jets are in desperation mode at QB – I'll be STUNNED if we get more than a low (5th,6th) round pick.
By the former ron alexander now Ronbo19 on Jan 3, 2013 | Reply
S.C.Joe, As usual, the voice of reason here on Randy's Radar comes up big! Good point about JOE CAPS. If you take everything he says at face value it is easy to get exasparated with his constant negativity and repetition. The problem is when you stop complaing about his over use of cap letters and his redundency, the fact is he is usually right. Like I said earlier, I thought we might be able to get by with a decent Q.B with a very strong supporting cast.But then you see what happaned to game manager Alex Smith in S.F being replaced by a difference maker like Kapernick. I'm seeing too many post here looking at fossils or relic's to come here and save this team.This team needs a fresh approach.
By Karan on Jan 3, 2013 | Reply
If Tom Gamble is the next GM of the Jets, Mark Sanchez's job will certainly be in question. They might bring in Alex Smith. I love the 49ers have drafted and hope this guy has the expertise that was behind all those picks. If he is, hope he is the next GM of the Jets. I still prefer Mark Sanchez over Alex Smith.
By Karan on Jan 3, 2013 | Reply
Man, if this Tom Gamble is hired, I'll take back all the things I've said about Woody. I think his resume speaks for itself, look at the 49ers today, great team. The only thing that would probably stand in the way of this might be Rex Ryan. Gamble might want his own GM and even own QB. I am opposed to Alex Smith in NY. I prefer MS and if Ryan needs to be fired or promoted to DC for Gamble to come on board, what can I say other than do it. Chargers and especially Jaguars are also pretty darn interested. Tebow and Gamble, Rivers and Gamble or Sanchez and Gamble? We'll see. It could end up with Kaepernick and Gamble.
By Byrdman on Jan 3, 2013 | Reply
ScJoe – did you read my comment regarding the elite QB debate, its on the "…Parting Statement" blog? Nobody is saying a "mediocre" QB has as good a chance to win a SB as a Brady, Manning, Brees, Elway etc. I don't see anyone here making that argument. That would be ridiculous!
I know 2 NE Patriots fans, they're NOT from anywhere near New England, they watched Tom Terrific win 3 SB's then went to a Walmart and bought some Brady Jerseys. They're nauseating examples of bandwagon tools, losers in the game of life that simply wish to be associated with a winning football team. They repeat the same broken record phrase 10,000 X "YOU NEED AN ELITE QB…blah blah blah – Jets will NEVER have an Elite QB hence Jet fans will always be losers"
By scjoe on Jan 3, 2013 | Reply
Spicer, how do you expect this team to sign any tier #1 FAs with a 17 Mil bounty held over their heads by way of a useless QB? Not to mention Holmes contract. They can free up 30 Mil, but that will not be enough to sign tier 1 guys like Wallace, Bush, Flacco (who WILL be franchised if he is not resigned) Long, Clady, etc. Look more for a guys like Matt Moore, who would be just fine short term, or a Levitre (G) Scott (Cin RB) etc
By Karan on Jan 3, 2013 | Reply
Also, you know what good for the Jets blocking out the media this week. Great article on bleacher report about how these beat writers like Cimini and Mehta totally bash the team. We understand they don't like them, but they need to chill out a little. Thanks Randy, for not being biased unlike those vultures. Glad the Jets are talking next week, can't blame the owner and coach getting away from this even if its for a short time. We could all use a break from this horrible season.
By the former ron alexander now Ronbo19 on Jan 3, 2013 | Reply
MIKE, some thoughts on your 7 points; 1-Alex Smith, would clearly be an upgrade & yet more of the same(another game mgr.)need to aim higher.
2-Pace-Thomas- gotta go-no brainer age has slowed them to a crawl!
3- O.Line-ditto Pace & Thomas (Slauson ?) Moore-too old,maybe too expensive!
4-I.L.B, Scott has to go-too slow (Davis should be ready)Next yr replace #52
5-R.B. draft Montae Ball at R.B in 3rd. rd.hits the hole,more elusive,solid guy!
6-Let Keller walk, 6-1 T.E's who are injury prone are easy to replace(Zach Ertz)
7-Pouha- to back up(at reduced salary, Ellis is ready to take over at N.T.
Please note, I like your thinking, just think we as Jet fans need to aim higher!
By Byrdman on Jan 3, 2013 | Reply
Anybody hear the report that Jets DC Mike Pettine has been exposed as the "mole" in the locker room dishing all the dirt to the News? Think its true?
Shouldn't this guy be dismissed if he's undermining the team unity?
I know.. I laughed hard just typing that phrase Jets "team unity"
By Jet Fan Since '64 Tom Still Hoping for Real Change on Jan 3, 2013 | Reply
Nice try, Bennett, but Vick's the only QB out of the 5 you list who was/is a true "rushing QB" in the sense that people are talking about RG3 and Wilson, the others are just guys who ran once in awhile or scrambled. Fran Tartenton never "rushed" in his life. (Don't say I never did nuthin' for ya, GaryC!) However, I do agree with you in that same post in that rushing QBs are asking for trouble sooner than later, and SCfromNY's right about the Brady/Brees/Manning type, as I've been calling for since folks on this site were raving about Chad. scjoe, I'll back you up on backing up Joe on QBs. Only on the site for a team this QB-clueless could there be the slightest disagreement with his pt about elite QBs and SB wins.
By scjoe on Jan 3, 2013 | Reply
Spicer, either you didn't read my post, or you didn't read it correctly, because you surely didn't answer it with any substance. That 90% you are referring to didn't have a quality QB?? Helllllo! Also, tell me exactly how you manned up and I didn't. You are referring to Mat Flynn in Seattle? How do you know he can NOT become a quality QB in this league? ESP? I simply said he is a major upgrade to your guy, Sanchez, and I firmly stand by that. And that comes after watching him play only 2 complete games. What does that say about Mark Sanchez? So, is that manning up enough?
By scjoe on Jan 3, 2013 | Reply
Ron, great point about SF going to Kaepernick over Smith. They knew what they had in Smith, a steady, consistent, game manager type with not a whole lot of upside. Credit them for making the right choice, unlike our group of keystone cops, who's QB don't even have the steady and consistent ingredient in the equation, but yet stuck with him until he cost the head keystone cop his job.
By Chicago Bob on Jan 3, 2013 | Reply
Guys, let's be realistic. Even after cutting the likes of Pace, Scott, Smith and the remaining dead wood on the roster, this team is in no shape to go after any upper level free agents – THEY HAVE NO DEPTH WHATSOEVER! Their OL had no one capable of filling in for the 5 starters and we could lose both Slauson AND Moore. Forget Alex Smith, up until the 49ers offense was loaded, he was on the verge of getting released. The only way this team is going to regroup is thru the draft. Hopefully they can find a taker for the 9th pick that will allow them to trade down & pick up an extra pick or two and (hopefully) not move down too far in round 1 where maybe they can make another trade to accumulate more picks.
By scjoe on Jan 3, 2013 | Reply
Byrdman, I hear what you are saying about the jumpers on to a winning band wagon, but that was not the point I was trying to make. All I am saying is that JOE CAPS "point" about SB winners and "elite" QBs has merit to it. Some may not like how his point is delivered, but that point is realistic and really can't be debated. When I presented those percentages of SB winners WITH "quality" QBs, (I try not to use the term "elite") as opposed to SB winners who simply had a shut down D or an "elite" running game and NO quality QB they are overwhelming, if any at all. Maybe Dilfer or Johnson would fit the latter category, but how many others? Bottom line? How many SB winners (or losers) didn't have a quality QB?
By GaryC on Jan 3, 2013 | Reply
Jetfantom,thanks for the words,I have already said on another story,no more back and forth with Bennett and Joe,there are more important issues,the manifestation of peoples hate towards Sanchez has made this blog sometimes like newspaper editorials.The season is over,draft is approaching,other then that wait and see what the coaching staff and gm is going to be.
By Mike Jet Vet on Jan 3, 2013 | Reply
Spicer, Todd Haley? didn't KC pick than drop him as fast. Now Pittsburgh took him, Correct me if I'm wrong, didn't Pittsburgh miss the playoffs. First time in awhile. Norv Turner I say no as well. he has had many elite players very good lines on both sides of the ball. Yet what's his % making playoffs Division Tiles or SB's not good he's over. What's all this talk about Joe Caps. My elite QB theory preceded his Cap outbursts long ago. Ha,although true as it might be just like many of my firsts thoughts usually come to roost are skipped over to more eloquent writers , no one listens to the old white guy who dropped out of school to take care of family, Just kidding guys Happy New Year
By GaryC on Jan 3, 2013 | Reply
Hope hockey season starts soon,which team will have that elite goalie who wins the Stanley Cup.
By SCfromNY on Jan 3, 2013 | Reply
Karan, did I read you would prefer Sanchez to Smith? While not my first choice Smith does NOT turn the ball over. Before his concussion he was playing great. In the playoff against the Saints he lit it when needed. MS would have had 6 INTs trying to stay with the saints.
scjoe; I have been saying the same thing about money. Nice to speculate about FAs but we will have little money to spend. Not to mention the Jets would have to seriously outbid other teams to be a favorable destination.
Better to cut and eat contracts. Start the youth, maybe we will get surprised. There will be a better QB in 2014 draft. If we lose let's lose trying to win not stay the same less than 10pt team.
By George on Jan 3, 2013 | Reply
karen blocking out the media? It is more like they are keeping their mouths shut
and being thought fools than to open their mouth and removing all doubt.
But then there were reports Rex would not mind having The fired Chargers coach as his OC. The only problem is he or Woody has not let their current OC go as of this point. Wanting to fill a position that is already filled with the guy of your choice
nice move.
By BillsJets on Jan 3, 2013 | Reply
Dear Woody,
Please don't pick up a GM from a team that was under .500 this season, If they can't produce a winner in that city, they sure as hell won't produce a winner in New York.
Jet Fan
P.S. – Get rid of Sanchez
By kleckofan on Jan 3, 2013 | Reply
For the life of me I can't understand why there are any arguments on here between honest to god true, long time Jets fans; we all want the same thing and the absolute incompetance of the current regime (now w/o Tanny) is irrefutable, as is the incompetence of Sanchez. I know its asking a lot to ask you guys to read from other sites, but Randy was good enough to post a direct link to an article about dead salary cap money (see my posts above). read it. Parting w Sanchez and those dollars does not hamstring us…Indy just did more than that and made the playoffs. He must go. I'd take Matt Moore and a draft pick going into next yr.
By kleckofan on Jan 3, 2013 | Reply
On the coach and GM front, please do not entertain Chip Kelly. I have been wrong on many things and may be again here, but I see him as a college coach exclusively. I do not believe he could manage grown men the way he manages at U of O. He'd be Pete Carroll in his first trip to the league, remember? Give him ten yrs to grow up.That said, the paper here in the NW did a great job analyzing Pete's moves to get seattle where they are, lots of 4th and 5th round gems, good trades for other teams' castoffs etc
From what I've read Chapman sounds like he fits the bill, been w a winner, made some good moves, innovative
By Bennett on Jan 3, 2013 | Reply
RonBo… excellant points as always But… if you look at Fran Tarkenton for instance and I can remember him with the Giants in "63 or thereabouts. Although he was more of a scrambler he turned it in to an art form and many times scrambled for serious yards when he didn;t have to. He actually would use what only looked like a busted play to his advantage to gain yards He would sucker the defense into thinking he was in trouble when in reality he was setting them up for a run. Others on that list were dedicated designed play rushers such as Cunningham. For that poster to say they don't last is just ignorance. As far as what he said about "elite" I'm not even going to try and fiquer out what he is talking about untile he looks up "facetious"
By Bennett on Jan 3, 2013 | Reply
RonBo… As usual I was probably not clear in what I was trying to convey simple is always better. Tarkenton was a rushing QB that got on that list as a dedicated scrambler type rusher, thats how he got his yards. Watch some of his old tapes especially with the Vikes. He was a slick one at times
By Bennett on Jan 3, 2013 | Reply
64 Thats only a list of 5. Donavan Mcnabb is up there on the all time list and he was a pure rusher who also lasted many years. There are many more pure rushing QB's that had long careers. That is the point I was trying to make to that posters statements. Nonsense to me… flies in the face of facts that he never bothered to learn.
By Charliejet on Jan 3, 2013 | Reply
I was just thinkin', you know that comment "Rex is still the coach because he has passion, desire yada, yada, yada… could Woody be meaning as a DC for the Jets and NOT HC? I mean Ryan blew town in the Bahamas right away and maybe just maybe Johnson said; "Listen I want you back as my DC, take a few days to think about it,relax get back to me and we will make an announcement next week" Just sayin'….
By Bennett on Jan 3, 2013 | Reply
Gary C I was busy not living my life so I missed your post on the last thread. So you been posting for three years….ok…ummm.. is that supposed to be significant for some reason ?. You don't take the site serious ? Ok thats evident in your posts you don't have to state that. If you take the site serious you have no life ?… ok… ? Do you have a point? What are you talking about ? Try to educate yourself on the sport than maybe you can take it more serious. This is getting boring. JOE CAPS IS CALLING for you to discuss "elite " versus just good again… interesting stuff
By Stevesc on Jan 3, 2013 | Reply
Thunderlips, 40 yr fan, I agree with your comments re: Oline. That's where it all starts. As I said on a prior post, qb, rb's and wr's will not be successful without a great front line that can run block, pass block and can pick up blitzes. Ronbo19, I agree this team needs a fresh approach and quit with the stop gap measures,
bringing in players in their twilight years. Any time I see a post with the mention of Vick, Smith or some others I've seen, I want to barf. That is the same old Jet approach, and IT DOESN'T WORK! As someone mentioned, I'd rather see a young competitive team, even if they are losing, than what we've seen the last two seasons.
By Jet Fan Since '64 Tom Still Hoping for Real Change on Jan 3, 2013 | Reply
Ira, hiring Cohen, a neophyte, because he's worked with Rex, a dinosaur, is typical Same Old Jets loser thinking. The GM hire should bring the Jets into the 21st-century, not drag it back into the early 20th when that approach under Rex has already made us the laughingstock of the league.
By steven on Jan 3, 2013 | Reply
Brandon Jacobs was released by the 49ers. he is a big RB at 6'4′ 267 pounds and runs a 4.5 forty. That would be a big back if the Jets got him
By Bennett on Jan 3, 2013 | Reply
How often does a Peyton or a Brady or a Montana come along every 5 yrs? 10 yrs?. In the case of Montana I will throw it out that there hasn"t been one since. RG3 might just be one of those,maybe just maybe best one in a generation. Worth the deal for the Skins ? I was skeptical untile I saw him in action. This kid has it all and we almost tend to forget he is a rookie. JOE CAPS is right that he has had a huge impact already on that franchise. I read were his teamates absolutley love him. You got some happy Skin fans this year ? Don't even try and tell me some Ram fans don't wish the got him and traded away for picks the other one. Some one posted they are into him for alot of money. Knowing the source I will find out if they were…doubt it
By Bennett on Jan 3, 2013 | Reply
I got old tapes on Fran Tarkenton, and boy he was a slick one. He'd be yeah I'm going deep, no I'm going in the middle, no I'm going to the outlet, no I'm going right, no I'm going left, I'm in big trouble. Then when he's got everyone in the secondary froze and eveyone else moving out of postion THAN he takes off like a SHOT zig-zagging for the sideline for 15. He had guts and he was tough. Remember these were the days when the QB was fair game out of the pocket. Defenses hated him because he made them look like the Key Stone cops. Not a Rushing QB ? Horsefeathers !! He was just really smart about it and knew how to preserve his hide. He new exactley what he was going to do when they snapped the ball on many of those so called scrambles
By GaryC on Jan 3, 2013 | Reply
there are differences in a pro style offense when talking about running quarterbacks as opposed to running quarterbacks in a spread offense which is the in thing now,that is what I will say on that subject.Quarterbacks will get hit more now because offenses are more spread compared to the 60's and 70's,
By since shea on Jan 3, 2013 | Reply
I dont get the media crying about how bad Rex is for not having press conferences or doing his silly espn Kaye show. Dont they get it? Rex has the gag order put on him! He was told to high tale it out of town so he wouldnt have to speak! And put his foot in his mouth? And all of a sudden, poor Mr T? The scapegoat? He destroyed this team with poor contract deals and stupid trades. Woody will hire a GM who will maybe keep Rex, maybe not. Woody will defer to his new GM to make the decisions. I think Rex is just a good ole soldier… yes boss, if thats what you want, I will make it happen for you. You want Tebow? I'll find a way to get it done. Sub par talent on the team? Nah! They are the best. You'll see. If he only paid attention to offense
By Tom Spicer on Jan 3, 2013 | Reply
SCJoe, So a guy that gets beat out by a rookie 3rd round pick is a good player? & Kerley is a pro bowler? & Dontario Poe is great right? I think you know exactly what I am talking about!
By Tom Spicer on Jan 3, 2013 | Reply
SCJoe, You need to work on your reading. What part of my post where I said IF the Jets do anything in free agency this is who they should look at did you not understand?
By Jet Fan Since '64 Tom Still Hoping for Real Change on Jan 3, 2013 | Reply
Speaking of manning up and upgrades, scjoe, anyone who thinks that Turner wouldn't be an upgrade at OC over Schotty and Sparano put together is on another planet. The Chargers are done for awhile because Smith gave up on too many good players, including Cro, in exchange for nothing, not because Turner was such a terrible HC. And as a HC in touch with present-day O, Turner was one of the best only a few yrs ago and that's exactly what this team needs at OC — and possibly at HC next yr if, like I said last yr re hiring an OC with HC experience, Turner ends up taking over as interim HC when Rex fails again before Thanksgiving. Anything at all that brings an end to Rex's failed and outdated vision of this team is great news.
By Bennett on Jan 4, 2013 | Reply
The top 5 QB rushers are on there because they had to run ? Should be the 5 top pressured QB list instead. How bout the top 5 who made yards on busted plays ?. I don't buy it.You mean all these QB's werer on such bad teams the had to do record setting runs for their lifes their entire careers ? I seem to remember Elway RUNNING the ball alot' ALOT. Doesn't make sense. In on way way or the other these QB's were all rushing QB's. The ran the ball the ran it alot and the played many years.The set rushing records because the had to ? What every third play was a bust ? Come on if you really think about doesn't make sense. Yes rushing QB tend to get hurt, look at the average life of a running back.
By Bennett on Jan 4, 2013 | Reply
The more I think abuot this the more this debate makes no sense. I no I'm taking this way to serious. Gee I spent a whole 20 min. on this. I want to here from some real posters on this. Got to get back to living my non life. Man do I beat a subject to death or what ?
By Bennett on Jan 4, 2013 | Reply
Hey 64 your not a rushing QB unless you try and run threw a 320lb nose tackle ? What do you think there going to do play like a fullback ? Anyway you look at it the all made yards, all got hit and all lasted
By Tom Spicer on Jan 4, 2013 | Reply
The Super Bowl the last 12 years 1 2001 Ravens dominate D Dilfer was Raven QB 2 2002 Pats beat Rams Pats had a dominate D the Rams were the 1 with the explosive O. Brady was in his 1st year starting & was not the QB he is today not even close. 3 2003 Tampa won dominate D 4 2004 Pats won dominate D 5 2005 Pats won dominate D 6 2006 Steelers won #1 D in the NFL Big Ben in his 2nd year look up his stats not only did he have a terrible year he was the worst rated QB in the history of the Super Bowl EVER! 7 2007 Peyton FINALLY wins 1 the 1 year he had a decent D 8 2008 Giants beat Pats 17 to 14 Giants had a dominate D Eli was not even a good QB at that point please look up his career he was a care taker at best at that point in his career
By Tom Spicer on Jan 4, 2013 | Reply
9 2011 Packers beat Steelers even thou Rodgers was lighting up the score board that year this year the Pack D was very good. So 9 out of the last 12 Super Bowl winners had a great to dominate D. Where 7 of the last 12 Super Bowl winners had Elite QBS. 1 Dilfer 2 Brad Johnson 3 2008 Eli game manager 3,336 yards & 23 tds 4 2006 Big Ben game manager 2,385 & 17 TDS 5 2002 Brady game manager had 2,800 yards & 18 TDS. Even thou I posted it look up what these 5 QBS did in those Super Bowl winning years. If this is an ELITE QB to you than the ENTIRE NFL IS ELITE!
By scjoe on Jan 4, 2013 | Reply
Randy, you have announced that 5 players have recently been signed to future contracts. Do you have any idea exactly who physically recruited them and who officially signed them? There is no GM in place and the HC is supposedly out of town.
By Randy Lange on Jan 4, 2013 | Reply
scjoe, even without a GM in place at the moment, the business of the Jets goes on. The Star-Ledger and other outlets referred to assistant GM Scott Cohen and senior personnel man Terry Bradway running the football office's day-to-day operations, including the signings of players to reserve/future deals.
By scjoe on Jan 4, 2013 | Reply
My first choice for GM would be Gamble, and Norv Turner for OC, but if Heckert is signed as GM there may be a chance he brings Shurmer along as OC, providing he don't get another HC job. Only time will tell which combination is the right one, but one thing is certain, either way it is upgrading two spots dramatically.
By IRA on Jan 4, 2013 | Reply
While i think and have said Turner is th perfect guy i would be surprised if he comes to the Jets. If Rex is back as HC i think he hires Hugh Jackson to be the OC. He wanted him when he got the job but the Jets made him keep Schotty. So i think Jackson is the man.
By GaryC on Jan 4, 2013 | Reply
bennett,be a man of your word and don't reply to my posts,go watch RG3.that is your agenda,so be it.You need to get out more,get some air.Your hate of Sanchez permeates your every thought.
By GaryC on Jan 4, 2013 | Reply
And Tarkenton was still perfect,never winning a Super Bowl,0-3.
By GaryC on Jan 4, 2013 | Reply
We know some come on here thiinking they are Carnack,knowing that RG3 will become Bradshaw,Unitas,Montana,rolled into one,those same people probably thought the same of Vick,Young,McNabb,Russell,Everyone has an agenda in life.
By Tom Spicer on Jan 4, 2013 | Reply
To Mike Jet Vet & the other person who commented about my Norv Turner for OC post. I did not say Norv as the head coach but the OC. He won at least 2 Super Bowls as the OC of the Cowboys maybe 3. He also made the Bolts a very explosive O not until the GM A.J. Smith let very talented players go like Vincemt Jackson & LT & got nothing in return did the team go south. Norv is a good OC IF given the talent!
By kleckofan on Jan 4, 2013 | Reply
I am hopeful that Since Shea is right and the HC decision is still up in the air and dependant upon who is GM. For that matter, we still have not heard definitive news on Sparano (troubling). Randy mentions that Jets business continues w Terry Bradway running things; why hasn't he gotten any criticism for the mess Tannebaum made? Clinkscales (now in Oakland) too? My sincere hope is that much of these details are contingent upon the new GM, and that whover it is cleans house (Cavanaugh etc).
I would be happy w Norv as OC too. Of course, no OC will be able to turn things around w Sanchez. My new rallying cry is CUT BAIT with Je-Mark-us! Get Matt Moore for now.
By IRA on Jan 4, 2013 | Reply
Cohen is just as qualified as any of the guys they are looking at plus he has a leg up on all of them since they have beeen getting ready for the 013 draft since Aug. And while others might not agree Bradway is one of the better talent evaluators around the league. Staying in house doesn't mean they can't go forward as long as Woody makes it known that they have the say in personnel moves not Rex.
By the former ron alexander now Ronbo19 on Jan 4, 2013 | Reply
GUYS, This will require a little patience, but check out potential the 2014 Q.B. class
1-Marcus Mariotta 6-4 225 Oregon strong accurate arm, great runner
2-Kevin Hogan 6-4 230 Stanford, simular to Mariotta, not quite as fast
3-Brett Hundley 6-4 245 UCLA Big,strong,accurate mobile modern Q.B
4-Teddy Bridgewater 6-4 250 Louisville a lot like Hundley fierce competator
5-Logan Thomas 6-6 260 Va.Tech had a rough so. season, has all the tools
6-Johnny(football) Manzel, 6-0 190 only his size is a concern(not his heart)
Please note, this is not neccessarily in any order as its too soon to properly evaluate these kids. My feeling is I'd rather have any of these kids than anybody in this years draft.Note all are R.S frosh, will be eligable.
By Jet Fan Since '64 Tom Still Hoping for Real Change on Jan 4, 2013 | Reply
MJV, I'm sure your incisive elite QB remarks are remembered by all. They just weren't as, uh, obsessive as Joe's. Enjoy your tapes of Tarkenton, Bennett, but I saw every game he ever played that you could possibly see while living in NYC and then some. And what I meant is that while he had a few tricks, he didn't come to the line with the mindset of running like these read-op QBs today do. Anyone who was there will mostly remember Tarkenton to Flatley or Jones for 6. As for McNabb, I'm just glad we never went for him or any other QB like him. I don't even want Wilson or these other guys who'll get beat up soon and that's what football people say, not just me. Hold out for the Brady/Brees/Manning model. Ira, it's Rex who's not "the man."
By Jet Fan Since '64 Tom Still Hoping for Real Change on Jan 4, 2013 | Reply
Hey Randy, you don't have to remind US of Walker's 4-TD-game — see what you can do to get REX to watch those clips!
By GaryC on Jan 4, 2013 | Reply
Fran Tarkenton scrambled his way to 3 super bowls and lost all three because he could not beat the STEEL CURTAIN,THE KILLER BEES and Hayes,Tatum,Mad Stork Hendricks of the Raiders,You Can Run but You definitely can't hide.
By Jet Fan Since '64 Tom Still Hoping for Real Change on Jan 4, 2013 | Reply
And hey Eric, what's this "Romney may be a good businessman" damning-with-faint praise jive? Is that a tipoff as to how much YOU know about running a business? You prefer a president who thinks a couple making 250K a yr in New York or L.A. are "millionaires and billionaires"? (Obama's got his good pts, but he's sure tone-deaf on THAT one!) Here's an idea for you: Stop walking around with a laptop talking about football all day and night all year long and go out and raise the capital to found the kind of biz Romney turned into an empire, then come back and tell me how easy it was. Or maybe you'd like to end up like McGovern, marveling in his 70s over how hard it is to keep a bed-and-breakfast open?
By GaryC on Jan 4, 2013 | Reply
Putting up stats about quarterbacks running yardage is useless fodder,I mean when was the last time a quarterback won because of his feet as opposed to his arm and intelligence,this isn't the Kentucky Derby.
By gmany3k on Jan 4, 2013 | Reply
who do you blame for the 43 year absence of a super bowl Team ? I mean that is an excellent business plan . Never reach your goals and still survive to make a profit and keep the Fools coming back for more even to mortgage their house just to sit there and give their money away and their Lives too. With all the experts on these jets site there is hardly anyone willing to concede that maybe there is a secret contract back from the afl days that put the Jets in as winners to build the NFL to what it is today . MAYBE IT WAS FOR 50 YRS . it may seem crazy thinking but it fits into the neat little puzzle that is this losing origination . it would explain so many things we have witnessed . I have cancelled by NFL ticket after 8 seasons I am done
By SCfromNY on Jan 4, 2013 | Reply
Why would anyone want Rex as HC? He has proved intractable in his ways and a poor talent evaluater. Many great coaches like Bellichik and Parcells have the ability to come out after the half with a changed gameplan. They do not do the same thing over and over for a season. After 2011 Sanchez should have been on a short leash. Greene was never a feature back in that he worried other teams with the threat of breaking one. Yet Rex did the same thing week after week. Rex and Sanchez gave esentially the same news conference after every loss. I really hope the poster who suggested Rex was on vacation to see if he would take a demotion is correct. Fans can not stay fans if there is never any hope and the outcome is predetermined.
By kleckofan on Jan 4, 2013 | Reply
Good Lord! I no sooner mention Clinkscales then I read an Eric Allen piece on here where he states that Clinkscales might be a consideration for GM! Yikes!
BTW, read the EA article (Q&A), he seems to be yet another around this organization that's in a fog. One of the emailers states that Rex waited too long to pull Sanchez and Eric disagrees!
get the guy from Atlanta or Ross from the Gints, at least he knows how a real disciplined organization is run.
By GaryC on Jan 4, 2013 | Reply
The Redskins did have a do it all quarterback,Sammy Baugh,who in the 40's not only quarterbacked,but punted and played defensive back,now that is a running quarterback,let RG3 do that,THAT IS FACT OVER STAT.
By Karan on Jan 4, 2013 | Reply
The Jets need some serious pass rush. Spent your first round pick on either Jarvis Jones or Barkevious Mingo. If those two are not available, draft a really good Running Back or a guard. Do not waste a 1st, 2nd or even 3rd round pick on a QB! Mark will get his confidence back with really good receivers and a nice offensive system. He needs to work on himself, accuracy wise and leadership wise. A guy like Norv Turner would help him as a passer. Besides, this years QB class (2013) is not even that good. The 2012 QB class had to be one of he best if not the best in NFL history. The Colts, Redskins and Seahawks hit the jackpot in those 3 rookie QBs.
By Bennett on Jan 4, 2013 | Reply
There was a period of time, quite awhile back, when there was a string of QB injuries and there were rule changes and the beginings of the quick flag. It was much differant than and it took alot more to get a roughting the passer flag than it does today. Also in those days when a QB left the pocket he was considered fair game many fewer late hit flags and unsportsmanlike penalties for hard hits. You wanna run you got to pay was the rule for the QB's of that era. More dangerous a more wide open harder hitting game for the QB. I watch plays all the time when a defensive player pulls up when in those days he would have gladly creamed the QB. The QB's are much more protected, in and out of the pocket, in todays game The can run far easier now.
By MIKE on Jan 4, 2013 | Reply
WHO WOULD YOU PICK if Sanchez and Tebow were the only two options at QB next season?????
I would go Tebow. . Sanchez can only win games when he is surrounded by great players on the O line and WR. The Jets clearly don't have that this year or the next. Plus Tebow turns the ball over way less than Sanchez. Also Tebow had 18 TD and 6 INT with Broncos if you include run TD's. I'll take those #'s Sanchez's.
By chris long tome jet fan on Jan 4, 2013 | Reply
we need a man like parcells …when you make a mistake he calls you out ..and sometimes on national t.v…
By scjoe on Jan 4, 2013 | Reply
spicer, your kidding me right? You talk about Poe? A rookie? After just one season? Do you know the guy had more tackles then Coples? More then Bryan Thomas? More then Pouha? More then McIntyre? That is not the definition of a "bust" at least not yet. Do you want to know what the definition of a bust truly is? How about a QB who was drafted 5th over all 4 years ago and during that time had nearly 100 (ONE HUNDRED) turn overs! Then lost his job to a 7th rd draft pick. THAT, is a bust. Come back to me in another 3 years then we can talk about Poe, or Flynn, or anyone else you like.
By Bennett on Jan 4, 2013 | Reply
Gary C…..I always thought the spread offense was to spread out the defense in order to create lanes for a QB to run. Seems to me it would be more condusive to a running QB than a hindrance. Of coarse there are many variations on the spread and it actually morphed into the old Run n Gun offense which is far from it's original design first used in the college programs as early as the 1920's.. I remember a blog where some one schooled me that Tebow as a running QB would only be effective in a spread offense that the Jets did not have when I foolishly thought he could replace ole Sanchez
By scjoe on Jan 4, 2013 | Reply
spicer, you are grasping at straws with those bogus SB stats. No matter how you break them down to fit your needs, the bottom line, unequivocally, is that 90% of SB winners ALL had a "quality" QB! And the years that those "quality" QBs lost a SB, it was usually to another team that had one. None of your stats can change the reality of that.
By scjoe on Jan 4, 2013 | Reply
Mike, in answer to your question above, I would go with Kerley!!!
By Jet Fan Since '64 Tom Still Hoping for Real Change on Jan 4, 2013 | Reply
Ira, your analysis of why Cohen could technically do the job is very astute but you're ignoring the obvious dynamical complications, if not corruption. As long as Rex is here in any capacity, we'll always be infected by his 1950s view of the game, especially on O. Trying to break up with your unfaithful lover in little steps doesn't work, you gotta cut bait right away. For more on this I refer you to SCfromNY and klecko's very clear-eyed posts just a few posts above. Mr T and Rex weren't willing to put Sanchez on a short leash after the PIT playoff and a REALLY short one after 2011 which means they didn't want admit a mistake, THE MARK OF A LOSER IN ALL WALKS OF LIFE! (Remember The Great Rizzuto talking about not being afraid to fail!)
By Jet Fan Since '64 Tom Still Hoping for Real Change on Jan 4, 2013 | Reply
Funny you say that about Baugh, GaryC, 'cause I was reading Bennett's post about tapes of Tarkenton and thinking "I wonder if he means tapes of Eddie LeBaron?" Well, Karan's being fed up with Sanchez didn't last long, maybe this stat attack from Spicer means he's going to cave soon, too. Is there some kind of virus going around in NY? WHAT IS WITH YOU PEOPLE, SANCHEZ DOESN'T REMOTELY HAVE THE HEAD, BODY, ARM, SKILLS, INSTINCTS, AND INTANGIBLES TO EVER EXCEL IN THIS LEAGUE! Jeez, what can it POSSIBLY take to get through to you? THREE picks to a DL guy in the same qtr? TWO butt fumbles in a game? Arte keeps telling me how the Jets are a franchise ruled by fear and I agree, but I've never seen it this bad among THE FANS!
By Jet Fan Since '64 Tom Still Hoping for Real Change on Jan 4, 2013 | Reply
MIKE, the idea of having to choose between only Sanchez and Tebow at QB is "a choice of cancer or polio" as Keef sang on "Salt of the Earth," so let's not even go there. scjoe, thanks for bottom-lining it to Spice and everyone else on elite QBs, SBs, etc. What we all know — except maybe for Rex and Karan — is that most every team that comes close to winning the SB for the almost 50 yrs the game has been played has had a great QB, lucking out with a lame QB is the decided exception, and these days you need a greater QB than ever. Even when the game is "low-scoring," like the 2 Giants' wins lately, QB play is key, as Eli proved with those clutch throws to win both.
By GaryC on Jan 4, 2013 | Reply
remember Bennett,you are not reading my posts,that must be someone else.
By GaryC on Jan 4, 2013 | Reply
when you spread the offense it is condusive to a running quarterback but it still going to give him a lot more hits then if you have tightends closer to the line and the linemen aren't as split like a pro style set.the quarterbacks from the bygone era ran out of necessity and not because the offense was scheming to open up the defense.
By GaryC on Jan 4, 2013 | Reply
Now to we really have to call Sanchez,Ole Sanchez,boy the hate is really coming out now.
By GaryC on Jan 4, 2013 | Reply
JetFanTom,getting back to you,We all know the jets need a top flight quarterback,how do teams get one,Have a lousy record when a franchise quarterback comes out or you luck out like the Packers and Steelers did,taking advantage of other teams screw ups.The selection of Sanchez was made do to Favre heading out,the team panicked,will fans want to live through a Kotite year or two to guarantee them a franchise quarterback,Take a poll on that.
By Mike Jet Vet on Jan 4, 2013 | Reply
PLEASE!!! say it ain't so, NYDN spots Rex donning a Tattoo of his wife wearing a Sanchez #6 Jersey. First the Foot fetish now this…Woody may need some cap room for therapy . inmates are running the asylum around here. Randy I know how hard it must be not voicing an opinion on that one. WOWSA
By Tom Spicer on Jan 5, 2013 | Reply
SCJoe, Look up my bogus Super Bowl stats & if you can point out 1 just 1 of them that are wrong I will never post on this site again. But when you see that they are right & Brady, Big Ben & Eli were nothing more than GAME MANAGERS when they won there first Super Bowls you can MAN UP come back to the site & say you were wrong by saying I was posting bogus atats!
By Tom Spicer on Jan 5, 2013 | Reply
Brain Costello the beat write for the Jets for the New York Post says the favorite for the GM job is Tom Gamble from the 49ers. There is a nice article about him in Fridays paper. It said he has been a college & pro scout. He has done contracts & basically everything under the sun & that this is the guy to get.
By GaryC on Jan 5, 2013 | Reply
JetFanTom,seeing that all super bowl winners have basically had pocket passers,can you see Cam the Sham or RG3 winning one with basically spread offenses,hasn't been done yet,or will their teams need to revert to the pro style set.this is not Oregon going against Kansas State.Your guy Cam might be getting a new head coach also,maybe one where he will be in a pro style set.
By Ronbo19 on Jan 5, 2013 | Reply
KARAN, As we have the 9th pick,& J.Jones will go between 3 &5 I doubt we are getting him. mingo is a lot like Coples in that he is a potential bust. He has all the physical & measurables you could ask for. The problem is he is undisaplined and has never put up the numbers expected. A better pick who might be there for us is Domantre Moore from Tx a&m. at 6-4 255 lbs he an ideal fit in our D as an OLB. And please remember, drafting any O.linemen at #9 is not practical in our situation. Teams like the Pats, Ravens,Packers ect can afford to tale O.L in rd 1 as they have talented rosters. The other problem drafting O.L high is salary.We are already paying Mangold & Brick a fortune so we need to be economical there.
By GaryC on Jan 5, 2013 | Reply
you guys need to shoot the messenger,Tanny,not Sanchez,wouldn't you stay at a job that would pay you a fortune,with no ramifications even if you couldn't do the job,Let us stand if we said I cannot do the job and don't want your money,especially if unemployment was close behind.
By Ronbo19 on Jan 5, 2013 | Reply
KARAN, You and Spicer really need to move on from Mark. While I admire your loyalty it is miss placed. Mark has had every opportunity to get this right and has failed miserably. As I said in an earlier post, Mark is a lot like Humpty Dumpty who feel off the wall. Nor even all the kings horses & all the kings men will be able to put Mark back together again! If you cant see that I'm think'n you must be living in the same fairytale as Humpty! Like Rex, he is a beaten broken man. Perhaps a change of scenery will help him get his confidence back, but it will never happan here amongst this media circus.Especially with Rex as the ring master.
By SCfromNY on Jan 5, 2013 | Reply
Karan; How can you still see positives about Sanchez? Like Rex you ignore Sanchez's field presense, ability to understand defenses, and poor accuracy.
Quarterbacks: This year it was no big surprise that Luck and RGIII performed well although I would bet few imagined the success they have had. tannihil also showed promise. But how about Wilson & Cousins? I beleive that there are more quality/winning QBs out there who are "undiscovered".There are QBs outside of major programs that have the "it" factor. There are QBs that suffered from no support that did fairly well with horrible teams. We need to hire scouts & personal to find these players. A top 10 is not always the answer.
By IRA on Jan 5, 2013 | Reply
Clinkscales is an excellent football exective and the Jets were at a loss when he left. You have to look at the complete body of drafting since 01 when the Bradway team came in and the Mr T took over. Sure they missed just like all teams do but until 09 they had drafted some excellent players. How about 01 when they picked Moss, Jordan, and McKenzie and in 04 Vilma, J-Co, E. Coleman 05 Rhodes in rd 4 and of course the 06 draft was an A+.
By GaryC on Jan 5, 2013 | Reply
Clinkscales coming back,you talk about compounding a problem,this guy played for an organization in as much disarray as the jets,that being the Cowboys.Presided over many drafts with Tanny,he learned a lot there,I agree with Gamble from the 49ers,At least he saw Zac Ertz,being that Palo Alto is not far From San Francisco.
By Karan on Jan 5, 2013 | Reply
From a blog:
Gamble still the likely first choice for the Jets. Gamble has done well in San Francisco running the scouting (college and pro) for the Niners. Gambe also has distant ties to Rex via their dads' time in Philly AND San Francisco has built their team the way Rex would like his to look. News broke last night that the Browns are interested in interviewing Gamble … but we'll see how that goes.
-Adam Schefter reports he canceleled a 2nd interview with the Jags to focus on the Jets
This would be so awesome if Gamble comes here, I don't want to get my hopes up too high so I'll stop talking. Jets have dissapointed in the past so ya never know what happens until it happens. All I can hope for is to see Woody, Ryan and Gamble on……
By Karan on Jan 5, 2013 | Reply
……..podium come Tuesday.
By kleckofan on Jan 5, 2013 | Reply
All this talk about the virtue of runnibg QB's is confounding and frivilous. We have neither a pocket QB nor a running QB and there's no great college QB to consider in the argument. Who cares? We have serious problems and we're talking about the human gnat Fran T?
Karan (male or female?) you are beyond lost, I will be totally skipping your posts from now on. Please tell me your last post was a joke. There are probably 10 college QB's I'd take over Sanchez right now with no practice reps.
I'm putting my Romney sign back in the yard; I said I'd put it up when Owe-bama did something stupid (it appears that is permanent).
By IRA on Jan 5, 2013 | Reply
If Gamble is the new GM I could see were he could make a play
for Alex Smith. I am not sure I would want him. I would rather sign Moore as the QB and draft somebody and bring back McElroy and let the three compete for the job
By Charliejet on Jan 5, 2013 | Reply
Rumor has it Gamble is new GM (SNY,GG nation) who knows? Parcells! Parcells! is all I hear. We need fresh new blood. I said it before and I'll say it again. Sanchez had more high school experience then college. With only 16 games under his belt, who's to say he wouldn't have been a "turn over machine at USC? What a colossal blunder, made all the more by this years extended contract. Sanchez could have been cut this year without costing one dime more. Would have been a
fresh start with new GM, OC, QB. 3 out of 4 aint' bad with Rex staying on a VERY, VERY SHORT LEASH.
By GaryC on Jan 5, 2013 | Reply
John Fox as defensive coordinator got to the Super Bowl,Kerry Collins was there quarterback,As head coach of Panthers got team to Super bowl with Jake Delhomme,No Peyton Manning on those teams,John Fox,pretty damn good head coach.
By since shea on Jan 5, 2013 | Reply
Thunder, yes, the difference in cap hit on sanchez this year is $4 mil more to cut him in 2013. BUT, the team SAVES $8 mil by cutting sanchez in 2014. Team also saves in 2014, 9.5mil cutting Cromartie, 81/4 mil cutting Santonio and 8mil on Bart Scott if he is still around in 2014, which I doubt since we will still save by cutting him in 2013. Team SAVES this year $15 mil just by cutting Eric Smith and Jason Smith. So, can we deduce that Sanchez stays one more year because it is a big hit now but not next year? Do we trade down from #9 in the draft to get an OL and one of the 2 TE's (the E brothers)? Or do we do what we always do and draft Defense in 1st rd? Like the BARK man? I say get OL and TE w/ 1st pick.
By scjoe on Jan 5, 2013 | Reply
With about 5 or 6 teams in need of a new GM, wonder why the name Mike Tannenbaum has not come up?? My predictions for this weeks PO games (for what it's worth) Cincy over Houston, GB over Minn, Balt over Indy, and Seattle over Wash. Unless Minnesota wins the SB this year, it looks as though a team with a "quality" starting QB will, once again. Not to take anything away from Christian Ponder, compared to what the NY Jets have he IS a "quality" QB. But so are many high school QBs.
By since shea on Jan 5, 2013 | Reply
Based on nyjetscap.com, you can see who costs what for 2013 and beyond. Cutting Pace and Scott in 2013 will save another 15 mil on the cap. Bye Bye! Wes Welker was the highest paid Pat at $9.5 mill this year. He will be gone next year unless he agrees to play for much less. Brady was #2 making $8 mil in 2012. Tom Terrific will make $22 mil in 2013. I think Jets need to keep Sanchez only for cap purposes. We will need that cap room to sign positions that we need big time like OL, LB, TE (Keller wont get resigned after injury, its their leon washington rule). This years draft has some good players at these three key positions of need.
By Row on Jan 5, 2013 | Reply
Haven't posted in forever, but I am back for now.. Very happy to see Mr. T go, not sure how the Jets are going to get out of the worst extension in history. I think the needs are obvious, pulling tackle, WR, LB and OC. The defense really came on before the chance at playoffs was lost. Kinda hard to be successful when your offense turns the ball over as much as the Jets.. Really hated to see Orton sign a multiple year contract. I really have no idea where the QB will come from. I still am not opposed to Tebow. He literally never got any reps with the first team. All this Sanchez coddling totally ruined the team and deflated the locker room exactly as predicted. Carroll was right, take a look at the Seahawks – Great Defense and Rookie QB
By since shea on Jan 5, 2013 | Reply
Ronbo, nice job on QB scouting. Bennett, you appreciate real QB's. Have you seen this kid Bridgewater? Seems like a stud, only a junior I think but could come out this year. If we had to keep Sanchez in a 2013 rebuilding year to preserve cap room to sign our many needs, and if this kid comes out now, it could be an interesting play for 2014 and beyond. Thats assuming we still replace TE, OL and LB. The smart business decision is to make as much cap room as possible to sign key needs now. The pure emotional move is to cut bait regardless of cap implications. Cutting Scott, Pace, J Smith and E Smith saves $30 mil. Can you buy OL, TE, LB and resign Landry/Bell for that?
By since shea on Jan 5, 2013 | Reply
And finally, Rex. While many appreciated the swagger of his not kissing Bellichiks rings, The end is near. Rex stuck out his chin for far too long. Lets play Woody guys. Are you not tired of the embarrassing stories about Rex and his fetishes, tattoo's, big mouth, circus atmosphere and, yes, questionable decision making? Where is the professionalism of YOUR business Woody? J&J is a class blue chip company. So is your blue blood family. How do you allow your fingerprint on this debacle? Its time to grow up and get a complete HC and GM who can represent us properly. The new GM will clean house regardless of what is first said. Bye RR.
By Tom Spicer on Jan 5, 2013 | Reply
No one ever said that you dont need a quality QB to win the Super Bowl that was never said. The argument is, was & always has been that JOE CAPS said you absolutly have to have a ELITE QB or you 100% can not win the Super Bowl. Also he said nothing else matters but the QB. Well if nothing else matters but the QB domebody needs to tell Greg McElroy that after getting sacked 11 times in 1 game. The O line doesnt matter Brady would have avoiding those 11 sacks with his scrambling ability. OH YEA thats right he cant scramble he would have got PLASTERED just like McElory!
By scjoe on Jan 5, 2013 | Reply
64, exactly right! You can throw out the "elite" term when speaking of NFL QBs, because they are few and far between, putting it into laymen's terms, when all things are pretty much equal in today's NFL, the play of the QB most often is the deciding factor. Lets just see how this years playoff's unfold and see if, and how that remains true.
By GaryC on Jan 5, 2013 | Reply
JetFanTom,great work in bringing up the name Paul Flatly with the vikings,tapes are good but photographic memories are better,It is like bringing up Charlie Hennigan and Bill Groman of the Oilers,And please didn't the Vikings have Ron Yary,Mick Tinglehoff,Ed White,some pretty good offensive lineman there,TARKENTON DIDN'T NEED TO RUN THAT MUCH.
By scjoe on Jan 5, 2013 | Reply
Tom Spicer, I am dead wrong! You are right! Brady, Big Ben and Eli are/were NOT "quality" QBs. OK? How is that? Although you (I think) and I both know that statement is dead wrong, I will try to appease you with it.
By Jet Fan Since '64 Tom Ready for Big Changes on Jan 5, 2013 | Reply
GaryC, when you're not throwing off hilarious one-liners you really know the bottom line. Bottom line with me is I'll suffer through TWO 2-14 seasons under a new owner, GM, HC, and QB that can turn this franchise into a winner and I've got less yrs to go than many on this site, so if I can hang in I don't know why they keep dreaming of losing in the first round of the playoffs with Rex and Sanchez. And yeah, while I like that Cam can run if he has to, it's his Ben R-like strength, his arm, and his field leadership that I like, none of which our QB has in any great amounts. The sooner Cam becomes more of a pocket passer, the sooner he can become a threat to get his team to the big one like that guy in NE who does that every yr.
By scjoe on Jan 5, 2013 | Reply
Kleckofan, ditto your entire post! Who really cares about a particular NFL player of 45 or 50 years ago? What relevance does it have in today's NFL or on today's state of the New York Jets? I would go out on a limb and say that "many" NFL players of that era could not even compete in today's market. Of course I am not talking about the Jim Browns and the Dick Butkas's of the world, just the vast majority. I know I will get a lot of slack for that remark, but I will stand by it.
By Mike Jet Vet on Jan 5, 2013 | Reply
All this talk about QB's, QB position wasn't designed to run the ball, that's what RB's are for, Name One, just one, QB who has more SB's than Tom Brady Terry Bradshaw, to name just two , None of which were remotely considered running QB's, Give me a Smart pure pocket passer with knowledge of the game Big arm can extend plays with his mind and legs any day.. Scrambling around is for chickens and roosters Not QB's
By Jet Fan Since '64 Tom Ready for Big Changes on Jan 5, 2013 | Reply
Ira, the Jets drafting over the last 10 yrs is as poor as any team's in the NFL. A few stars, most of whom Mr T overpaid and whose heads he swelled unnecessarily, no bench, and an extraordinary number of guys who didn't pan out. kleckofan, the day the Jets drafted Sanchez, I asked my buddy, who founded and runs one of the biggest college websites and who sees every USC and UCLA game, often from the field, who said, "USC has better QBs than him right now." Like I've said, I had a similar feeling based on watching MS play but I let Rex — and a lot of the stuff on this site, I might add — sway me. Then his first 3 or 4 games were so much better than anything Clemens coulda done that I was sold. "Not a second time," like John once sang…
By Jet Fan Since '64 Tom Ready for Big Changes on Jan 5, 2013 | Reply
On the other hand, Ira, I could live with Gamble for several reasons. 1, he might bring Smith over for cheap so that we can still plan on drafting a QB in the next few yrs. 2, he's young enough and on the rise enough that he's not going to stick with Rex out of any sentimentality. At this pt, we have to get Rex and Sanchez out of here just so the team is no longer such a joke that no one of consequence wants to play here. I don't ever want to see the word Tebow on this site again, Row, but I'll give you major props for calling it right on Alexander and sticking with him thru injuries to the present, when he's become the replacement on SD for Vincent Jackson. Funny about Sanchez, Ponder, and high school QBs, scjoe!
By Ronbo19 on Jan 5, 2013 | Reply
SINCE SHEA, all of the Q.B's on that list are red-shirt Frosh. (which means they are actually Soph's.) Players are eligable for the draft 3 years after they graduate from H.S. In view of whats happaned to Barkley I'm sure most if not all the kids on that list will come out. There are actually 4 or 5 others that might be available next year too so the 2014 Q.B class has the potential to be the best ever.When you consider the class that had Jim Plunkett,Dan Pastorini,Lynn Dickey, Archie Manning, plus the 83 class of Marino,Ken Obrien,
Todd Blackledge,Tony Eason,Jim Kelly & I believe John Elway thats saying a lot.I'm sure I'm missing a guy or two here but hey, I'm freak'n 60 years old!
By Bennett on Jan 5, 2013 | Reply
Gary C.. Lets try and dissect a few of your posts and try and find out why they sound so silly. Tarkenton lost 3 superbowls and was not perfect. Who said he was perfect ? Tarkenton lost 3 superbowls ? Don't you mean the Vikes lost 3 superbowls ? I mean it sounds like your saying Fran lost them by himself, You know this is a team sport right ?… right ? .I could probably give some facts, I mean stats, no I mean facts on Frans preformance in the 3 superbowls that might prove otherwise but it would just be a waste of time. When you call Ole Sanchez, Ole Sanchez it"s really a hatefull slur ? Man I had no idea. When did that happen ? You need to take some time off the site than change your name again and start over.
By Bennett on Jan 5, 2013 | Reply
I apologise to the board in general and Ole Gary C in particular. I had no idea when I called Ole Sanchez, Ole Sanchez that it was a hatefull slur. I did not get that memo. NO ONE INFORMED ME OF THIS…untile now. From NOW ON it's going to be Good Ole Sanchez
By Ronbo19 on Jan 5, 2013 | Reply
BENNETT, I think you mean the "run& shoot" offence which was big in the late 80's to early 90's. The U.of Houston under (I believe)John Jenkens made this famous by running up scores useing David Klingler as the Q.B. The run & shoot later evolved into the present day "west coast offence" as teams like the U.of Miami figured out a way to blitz them to death. I remember BYU (under Lavel Edwards) and the U.Hawaii under June Jones also useing a form of this offence later on. The "'run & gun" was a basketball offence used by Jerry Tarkian at UNLV during the 80's A form of it was later employed with the Phoenix Suns by Mike D'Antoni who later attempted to use it with the Knicks as recently as last year.
By Bennett on Jan 5, 2013 | Reply
Gary C while we are still on topic lets look at another post and see why it sounds so silly. When did a QB ever win with his legs and without his arm ( or whatever that was you said ). See that is an absolute statement thats why it sounds so silly. Many QB's have won with thier legs. It's not worth getting stats or facts or whatever just for you. But just as an example when I read that I think back to all the games I have seen where say a QB rushed for say 3 TD's and didn't get one in the air and the TEAM won the game. Many Good Ole Gary ….many. Nothing is really absolute try this "Most QB's win with… then you don't sound so silly and ignorant. Most, Alot,. Some.. use them then maybe I will read your posts if it bothers you so much
By Jet Fan Since '64 Tom Ready for Big Changes on Jan 5, 2013 | Reply
I see that number on this site in favor of drafting a QB is up to 55%. And I see also FOX reporting that Woody is firmly telling GM candidates that Rex must stay for at least 1 yr, which makes absolutely no sense for any incoming GM who wants more than a yr or 2 to turn the franchise around, i.e. for any GM candidate worth a damn. Oh well, Woody just seems to learn very slowly, maybe he'll respond to another yr or 2 of laughingstock status by selling the team, which would suit me just fine. At any rate, Jet fans, it's not about how "we must sign Keller" or any other such nonsense…
By Bennett on Jan 5, 2013 | Reply
Good Ole Gary C.. one more before I get the ole O2 air tank out. Old era QB's only ran out of necessity ( again, or what ever that was you said I still only sort of browse your comments ) Again a silly absolute. They never had designed running plays for the QB's in those days ? They only ran because they had to?. Don't you think that sounds silly. Try "most " or better yet "some" QB's only ran out of necessity…. Try this for awhile and maybe I will start reading your posts as it seems to bother you so much… if not I guess you can have the last word… this is getting boring anyway JOE CAPS will be back soon and you can talk about turf toe or something else exciting
By GaryC on Jan 5, 2013 | Reply
watching Andy Dalton almost made me forget Montana,Bradshaw and Staubach.
By GaryC on Jan 5, 2013 | Reply
Christian Ponder out with injury,Vikings have no chance now.
By IRA on Jan 5, 2013 | Reply
After watching the Hou game there is no reason with the right offseason moves the Jets cant be right back next year, Gamble might speak with the Browns,
By Karan on Jan 5, 2013 | Reply
Kleckofan, I'm a guy, its not pronounced Karen if you wanted to know, just pronounced a bit differently, karAn. Anyways, I recognize the problems Sanchez has, I just don't say them as much as others, and thats fine with me. I mainly defend him because I saw what he did with this team his first two years when he had a great team around him. The last two years, he has not, and thats resulted in a major decline. I realize he'll never be a pro bowl QB or elite or whatever but I think he deserves just one more chance next season with a great unit around him. I wish he would fix his turnover problem, he needs to, he also needs a good teacher as well, a very good OC wouldn't hurt at all. Glad you won't be reading my posts, don't care much of……
By Karan on Jan 5, 2013 | Reply
…….. your analysis.
By GaryC on Jan 5, 2013 | Reply
Norv Turner molded Troy Aikman,that is all you need to know,Sparano does not have that on his resume.
By Sal on Jan 5, 2013 | Reply
Be careful of what you wish for getting rid of Rex is stupid.look at all the coaches being interviewed any better than Rex I don't think so.at least you know Rex Is capable to compete he already proved that.just think we had one of the worst rosters and in week 13 we still playing meaningfull games as dumb as its sounds it true so Rex kept it together better than a lot off other coaches
By 40 year fan , John on Jan 5, 2013 | Reply
Row where you been ? Absolutely right on coddling Sanchez . Get rid of the other dividers in the locker room too …Parcells would be excellent at that , get rid of the dead weight ..& start fresh .
By 40 year fan , John on Jan 5, 2013 | Reply
Trade every QB we got for Matt Stafford .. That is a more classic example of a jets QB . Rebuild the front O line with top quality , and draft a top (cut back style ) running back . Keep Greene for the between the tackle plows . Add 2 tight ends to compliment Dustin . Then we can run old school 2 tight end sets and attack,… rather than being attacked ,,
By 40 year fan , John on Jan 5, 2013 | Reply
Got to free up cap space so start the liquidation sale …
By Bennett on Jan 6, 2013 | Reply
Since Shea…. I kindda hope Bridgewater doesn't come out he needs another year ,he could be a really good one. Boyd is interesting, would be a later pick as the already started downgrading him beacuse of his height ( 6′ 1″ ). Another raw one Glennon is a pure pocket passer. The one that caught my interest was Bray he is 6′ 6″ and there are reports that he got himself an agent. All of theres kids are really raw. They say it isn't a good year for QB's in the draft this year, but there seems to be a lot of latter round raw talent out there. Talk is if the Jets Draft a QB it will be in the latter rounds. The Question is if get one can the bring him along the right way.. Kidda funny, McElroy sems totally out of the picture after that one start
By Bennett on Jan 6, 2013 | Reply
Lets see a spread offense, which is used to make lanes to take advantage of a running QB… makes it harder for a QB to run ? Than the spread offense really makes it easier to hit a QB harder ? So the spread makes it harder for a QB to run and he gets hit harder ? Did I get this right What kind of crazy offense is this anyway ? Why are the using it at all ?
By IRA on Jan 6, 2013 | Reply
If Gamble leaves NJ without accepting the job the Jets will turn to Cohen I believe. I am not sure Gamble wants to be stuck with a HC he would like to choose his own. This is going to be interesting to see how this plays out.
By GaryC on Jan 6, 2013 | Reply
Bennett,my posts must be like a drug to you,you keep coming back for more,even after you said you don't read them,Is Joe Kapps reading them to you.
By GaryC on Jan 6, 2013 | Reply
Jetfantom,here is another one,I have cancelled my Sominex prescription,the Talk of Elite quarterbacks is better at putting me to sleep.
By GaryC on Jan 6, 2013 | Reply
Bennett,keep looking at those tapes,when is the expiration date.
By GaryC on Jan 6, 2013 | Reply
Bennett,Cerf the net for football knowledge.
By Bennett on Jan 6, 2013 | Reply
Ronbo The Run N Gun named football offense was used interchangeably with the Run N Shoot offensive for awhile I think.. If my memoray serves me it started out known as the Run N Gun in football and than morphed into a couple differant names over the years. There a couple of interesting reads on it's beginnings on a couple of differant sites if your interested. As far as basketball I take your word on that, never interested in colleage B ball
By Bennett on Jan 6, 2013 | Reply
Gary C stay on topic and I will continue to read your "stuff " even if it bothers you that much. Tarkenton didn't have to run that much ?. Who said he did ? What does that mean? Marino didn't have to throw so much ? I thought you said he did have to run that much because he was under such pressure and he wasn't a real running QB ? He didn't have to run that much but he did …because ?… he liked to be chased by big guys ? Are you for real ?
By Bennett on Jan 6, 2013 | Reply
Mike Jet Vet… I think the QB at the beginnings of the sport was designed to run the ball as the era of a pass happy sport was a way off. Quaterback, Halfback, Fullback. I think that the position was and is in fact ideal for the run. A QB that can run and pass prevents a much more difficult time for a defense as opposed to a pure pocket passer. The best current example I can think of now is Big Ben He presants a multiple threat to the opposition as he has the accuracy and the desire and ability to run it
By Mike Jet Vet on Jan 6, 2013 | Reply
Karan, Your post about still liking Sanchez his first two seasons making the playoffs is why you still have faith in him, the fact is he had a good team around him, Can I remind you Sanchez had the same horrible stats still a turnover machine. lets not forget Schotty numbing down Jets playbook just because he turned it over on such a consistent basis, We just squeaked into the playoffs, looking back if it wasn't for Brad Smith's 3-4 very Hugh plays at very critical times in both Cincy wins plus other big games S- Greene's big TD run Chargers game which BTW Cro missed that Tackle on S-Greene we would've miss both playoffs,
By GaryC on Jan 6, 2013 | Reply
JetfanTom,I have seen that guy Matt Wittick who took over when Barkley got hurt,and he is nothing to get excited about,did you check the bowl game against Georgia Tech and the game against Notre Dame.
By since shea on Jan 6, 2013 | Reply
I dont buy the fact that Gamble and Rex are joined at the hip. Rex is a short timer at best. This team must clear cap space and draft talent to fill their many holes….you know them, TE, OL, LB. Clearing 30Mil this year of no brainer cuts can go a long way to filling holes and resigning maybe Revis, Landry or Bell. Do you know that Indy has 35 guys on this years roster that they didnt have last year? As for QB? Neither Smith nor Moore excite me. They are short term fixes until we can grab a talented kid probably from the 2014 draft which could be QB heavy. But we dont have to wait years to rebuild! Clearing cap means sucking it up and keeping MS for 1 more year but we could fill alot of needs this year in doing so.
By Ronbo19 on Jan 6, 2013 | Reply
IRA, Geeez, please, enough with the Cohen stuff. I cant imagine even one person on this site (other than you) who wants anything to do with the status Quo a guy like Cohen brings to the table. This oraganization is reeking of stench from the mess Tannenbaum left us in. Do you really seriously think anybody wants to continue down that path? Not that I'm a fan of his but if there was anyone from the Tannenbaum regime they might be able to paun off on us it would be Clinkscales as at least he had the good sence to distance himself from Tanney & Rex by bolting to Oakland. If Cohen was such a dynamic personality why is it none of us (other than you) has heard a peep out of him all this time? If they hire Cohen it will be a public rels disaster!
By scjoe on Jan 6, 2013 | Reply
Sal, post of the week! Exactly what I have been saying all year. The musical coach idea is just crazy. If one recycled coach gets fired from team "A", then goes out and wins a division with team "B" there could only be one logical reason…PLAYER TALENT! Example? John Fox. Give Rex a quality QB, a quality RB and a quality OLB and you will automatically see him transform from a average HC to an elite one. This is not rocket science.
By scjoe on Jan 6, 2013 | Reply
Ira, if Gamble does not take the job it is strictly a financial thing, not which HC is in place. I like to say "show them the money, and they will come". Besides, he can do a lot worse with his own selection.
By Byrdman on Jan 6, 2013 | Reply
YES!! We've got TOM GAMBLE – Jet Nation has a reason to believe AGAIN!
Watch our drafts improve immediately, as we sign good solid football players at positions of need. Say goodbye to several overpaid, over-rated, over-weight bloated players and contracts, as Gamble cleans up the 15 foot high steaming hot pile of elephant dung left behind by a previous employee :D
Can Gamble tweak the current roster, dump a few stumble-bums, sign a few studs like Delanie Walker and Dashon Goldson ? It wouldn't surprise me!
Can the Jets be a contender in 2013? Possibly, but I think it would be more realistic to think 2013 will a rebuilding year with a new Captain and Navigator charting the coarse and (hopefully) a new first mate at the Helm!
By scjoe on Jan 6, 2013 | Reply
By the way Ira, Gamble will more then likely leave town anyway, the Jets are scheduled to meet Rooney rule requirements on Monday when they interview Marc Ross. I believe it will be Gamble, hopefully he brings in Turner as OC and Matt Moore to compete for the starting job. That would be 3 giant steps in the right direction.
By Bennett on Jan 6, 2013 | Reply
Jet Fan 64… Did you really watch Eddie play ? I mean his last season was 50 yrs ago, You gave Gary C that impression because he thinks you remember him playing and that is of coarse better than tapes because we all know you can only watch a tape once. Did you live in Dallas or Washington in the 50's? Were did you see him, on TV ?.Did they have national coverage of the Skins in those days ? I can't remember ever seeing him I only read some stuff about him never saw him play him like you did. Was he any good ? He seems really obscure, just out of curiosity what made you bring him up ? I think Gary C doesn't even know who he is and thinks that he played in the 70's
By Joe on Jan 6, 2013 | Reply
Spicer MCELROY got sacked because HE DOESNT HAVE AN NFL CALIBER ARM Dfences are not afraid to get beat deep PRESS COVERAGE HIM AND BLITZ .EVERY SINGLE SB THE PAST 10 YEARS WAS WON BY AN ELITE QB EVERY SINGLE ONE It doesnt matter if a team can run (MINN VIKES )It doesnt matter if a team plays great defence (PITT STEELERS )THE ONLY THING THAT MATTERSCIS THE QB PLAY .Every year the ELITEV QB SIMPLY TRADE THE LOMBARDI Whatever one is playing the best wins it
By Bennett on Jan 6, 2013 | Reply
Jet64 fan who is always right but modest… Hows that whole the brought Sparano in to "groom " him as head coach when they fire Ryan working out ? I mean he was the perfect offense oriented alternative. So what if he got fired from the Fish mid- season cause he was such a bad what ? … HC… Right ? I mean he proved what a good coach he was with us the way our offense was such a powerhouse this year. I for one still think it was a good move to bring him in like you said soley to have him waiting in the wings to jump in and turn the team around when they fired Ryan. Or as a good "caretaker " as you put it later in the season. Who do you think will get him as HC now that they decided to keep Ryan ? Bet his agents phone been a ringing
By Bennett on Jan 6, 2013 | Reply
Jet Fan Tom 64. Hey remember when you said Curtis Matin should get a consortium togeather to buy the Jets That was halirious.You are a funny guy. Like Martin, soley because he was a good RB, was going to get a bunch of investors togeather and raise a billion or so and buy the Jets. I mean he was going to lead a consortium without any corporate background and they would have been hey it's Martin he was a RB he knows intricate finance, partnerships, corparte law,financal markets. Your sarcasm is so hidden that even I thought you were serious foe awhile. You kill me man !!!
By Bennett on Jan 6, 2013 | Reply
Now to Spicer… the one I butted heads with most.What I liked about you, even though I didn't agree with you, is that you do know your subject. You took the time and energy to research your subject before you posted. You didn't just throw stuff out there but backed it up with facts or stats ( which are the same ) and sound, supported logic. I liked the way you stuck do your guns but when you changed your mind you took the heat. I never missed one of your posts while on the site, always interesting stuff.
By 40 year fan , John on Jan 6, 2013 | Reply
GaryC – Troy Aikman was a product of Bob Toledo , not Norv Turner . He was just lucky enough to get a fully trained QB straight out of UCLA ..Which was top notch at that time …Norv Turner had 0 to do with that team which had 10 years of first round draft picks , please …
By Bennett on Jan 6, 2013 | Reply
SInce Shea…Tyler Bray… Tall 6'6′,' skinny 215lbs, slow and plays for a loser team. Whats to like ? So far tapped to go about 60 or higher in the draft. Did not have a strong reciever corp. but still had 3612 yards and what I find interesting a very nice 34 TD's. He is not afraid to throw the ball and thrives in the red zone. He has gotten vastly better each year. If the reports are true the Jets are looking for a later round QB I hope the take a good hard look at this kid. This will be a project but he has the tools. Again I think Bridgewater would be better served with another year and then he will be in pretty high demand with that expierence under his belt. He has to be smart about this or he may end up buried qn a bench.
By 40 year fan , John on Jan 6, 2013 | Reply
JETS BLOG reporting Tom Gamble is hired as GM …That is interesting …We could definately use some of those 49ers players over here . And I'm pretty sure it will be a complete overhaul with him in charge …Coach is fired , QB gone etc , etc …
By Jet Fan Since '64 Tom Ready for Big Changes on Jan 6, 2013 | Reply
Thanks on QBs, scjoe, and here's a question for you: Do you think Marrone will make it as a NFL HC? The move looks right for BUF on the PR level but then, so did the Sanchez pick for us. Thanks for the thanks for the memories on Tarkenton, Flatley, and the like, GaryC, I think if Bennett had seen Fran play he might've put more emphasis on that he retired holding most of the lifetime NFL passing records, not the rushing records. Bennett, I agree with you on the Vikes, not Fran, losing 3 SBs, as Fran himself famously said, but saying "Old Sanchez" is a slur is the most contrived claim since the one about mentioning Obama and Chicago in the same sentence is racism. (Racism on the part of the person who makes that absurd claim, maybe).
By Jet Fan Since '64 Tom Ready for Big Changes on Jan 6, 2013 | Reply
And Bennett, that last post of yours to GaryC about running QBs is absurd across the board. I've been watching pro football since 1962 and since that's just a few yrs after almost everyone but Rex gave up on Wildcat-like nonsense I can assure you, no, running QBs have not been a major factor in the NFL in that time. By the time we got to Bobby Douglas, they were a mere curiosity. Ira, you haven't been right as often as usual the last 2 yrs — where's our backup C and why didn't Schlauderaff even get a snap this yr? — but I think you're wrong about Cohen and certainly hope you are. What's more likely to happen is that Woody, who has wisely hired a firm to school him on exec personnel, may learn if he wants someone good (see next post)…
By Jet Fan Since '64 Tom Ready for Big Changes on Jan 6, 2013 | Reply
…if Woody wants someone good at GM, Ira, he'll have to give him the full reins. Lupica wrote a good column about this today, saying no one should conclude Rex is here to stay just because Woody said so last wk, let's see what he says next wk. Bennett, you need to dig up the piece on the NFL site in which long-time football people talked about how stupid it is to subject a franchise QB to the increased hits of a run-op system. If you think about it, that's only being done by teams that are just happy to be there and have 1st-yr QBs — SEA and WAS — and not teams that might have the best QBs in the NFL for yrs if they don't get hurt — NE, DEN, GB, and NO. You're following a long Jet tradition of looking for love in all the wrong places.
By Jet Fan Since '64 Tom Ready for Big Changes on Jan 6, 2013 | Reply
Hey Karan, thanks for coming out of the virtual closet about gender. Now we don't have to worry about hurting some starry-eyed teenage girl's feelings when she waxes moronic on Sanchez like he's a white knight instead of a white elephant. Sorry, but you deserved that one — no one on this site with a brain should be talking about Sanchez anywhere in the NFL, especially in New York, in anything but the past tense.
By IRA on Jan 6, 2013 | Reply
I have to agree Rex is going to have to change the way he plays offense. that doesn't mean he has to fling it all over the field but he does need to have a better passing attack. I still believe with a strong running game and playing tough D you can win in this league but you have to get better production out of the QB play. If they could get back to playing O like they did in 010 they can get back to being a winning team next year. But they must find an answer at the QB spot.
By MIKE on Jan 6, 2013 | Reply
I don't know much about new GM's in the league but Tom Gamble, knowing he worked for SF whom has been maybe the best drafting team over the last 5 years is comforting. Hopefully he can sort out this mess. The Jets just have so many needs. At least with this many needs they can probably take best player available but I am always partial to pass rushers. Last year Bruce Irvin or Melvim Ingram, this year Jones and Mingo.
By Jet Fan Since '64 Tom Ready for Big Changes on Jan 6, 2013 | Reply
Hey Bennett, looks like RG3 didn't even make it thru his first playoff game, much else his first NFL season, without getting hurt and taking splinters. I wouldn't want to bet on him, Wilson, or any other QB who plays in that style dominating for a decade like Brady, Manning and, to a lesser extent, a few others have done.
By IRA on Jan 6, 2013 | Reply
Man watching the Seahawks D really opened my eyes. And while i think they have to try and keep both Bell and Landry they must get faster at LB. Can't see Pace, BT or Scott back. I think they are ok with McIntyre a nice find but i am very disappointed that they didn't give Davis more playing time this year. I can only hope they can work with him during the offseason and he can step in and start next year. Still think they either sign a free agent LB or draft one early.
Tuesday is going to be a very interesting day and i would be surprised if they don't name the new GM.
By GaryC on Jan 6, 2013 | Reply
By GaryC on Jan 6, 2013 | Reply
After watching this weekends games,I did not see any epic Namath- Unitas battle,No Bradshaw-Staubach Super Bowl match or even a Lenny Dawson-Daryl Lamonica match.It must of been the defenses AND VERY GOOD RUNNERS.
By Frank on Jan 6, 2013 | Reply
Ira the Jets need to interview Marc Ross and then they will be in compliance with the Rooney rule. They cannot offer Gamble a job yet.
Shefter reports they tried to reach out to Eric Decosta first and was rebuffed. He is the guy I want and mentioned a few weeks ago glad Woody is listening. He is by far the best personell guy out there and Woody needs to personally get on the phone/plane or whatever and get him on board!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
He is the heir apparent of Newsome but Ozzie isn't going anywhere soon. So Woody get over there and get it done!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
By Frank on Jan 6, 2013 | Reply
If Woody is hell bent on keeping Ryan around he should have never fired Tannenbaum and kept them all for one more year. Ryan is the archetect of this garbage Tanny gave him the players and staff he wanted and we see how great those results were. If Woody is going to hire the right guy then Ryan and the new GM are gonna clash and next season will be another waste of time. Ryan is a horrible HC everyone knows it except Woody and that I can't fathom.
By scjoe on Jan 6, 2013 | Reply
After watching all four playoff games this weekend, it dawned on me, what a coincidence! In all 4 games, the team that had the better QB play won the game. Who would ever have thought? I know I will be rebutted on that analysis, but it was as clear as day. Just do the math.
By GaryC on Jan 6, 2013 | Reply
I wonder how many planned scrambles the Redskins will have next year for RG3,so much for those running quarterbacks,YOU CAN RUN,BUT YOU CAN'T HIDE,STAY IN THE POCKET,IF YOU WANT TO SURVIVE.
By kleckofan on Jan 6, 2013 | Reply
To be clear; I think we should eat Sanchez's salary and outright cut him, I'll take the chance that he turns into a Pro Bowler somewhere else (and Rex would have to change the jersey color on his latest tat', what a joke). Make a play for either Flynn or Moore and draft a QB (the kid from NC St maybe). I repeat, Indianapolis made the playoffs this yr w 32 new players on the roster and 30% of their cap in dead money. What does that tell you about how important a good GM is?
By kleckofan on Jan 6, 2013 | Reply
Bennett, you're right it's strange how the McElroy talk went silent after one start, not really fair. He should still get a chance in camp. Boy, with a week of reps he looked an awful lot like #6, but it was his first NFL start. He played it v. safe (11 sacks!)
WE will get cap room when we cut Scott, Pace, Wilson, Pouha, Smith, Schilens, Holmes etc.
We must begin to build, and stop trying to apply band aids.
By Karan on Jan 6, 2013 | Reply
Hope Gamble is not overhyped. I just thought he would be good because I see a great roster in San Fran. Obviously, there were many who were part ofbuilding that roster, hope he was a major part of it. Would love the Jets to get personal like that.
By IRA on Jan 7, 2013 | Reply
Very poor job by Shanahan leaving RG in the game. Cousins should've started the 2nd half. It was so clear RG could not plant his right leg which threw off his passing game. Shanahan needs to answer some real serious questions about this decesion. He cost his team the best chance to win a game.
By Bennett on Jan 7, 2013 | Reply
Alright we got our OC, the poster I 'm not reading just said so…. Norv Turner!!! …Why because he made Troy Aikman. Now never mind Troy was the #1 pick, Pac 10 offensive player of the year and voted the top QB in the nation before the draft he was still a HUGE PROJECT. and Norv spent years to bring him along, slowly but surely. With jout ole Norv YOU WOULD HAVE NEVER HEARD OF HIM… hhhmmmm'… Shirley Temple could have developed Troy Aikman.
By Bennett on Jan 7, 2013 | Reply
So lets see we got a one line guy who just throws out "zingers " that don"t make any sense and a very and I mean very prolific poster that is like a record that got stuck and just repeats the same verse over and over and over. The "zinger " shows his ignorance of the game every day by the silly posts while ole "one track" tries to hide his ignorance by repeating the same thing post after post after post.
By Bennett on Jan 7, 2013 | Reply
Lets see what we got…Tarkenton didn't have to run as much as he did but he did it because he liked to be chased by big guys who hated him. He appeard in 3 superbowls because he was so bad… then by himself lost the 3 superbowls. Did I get this right so far ? All the "ole era " ( 80's ? ) QB's only ran because the had to as the had not yet developed running plays for that position even though it was orginally primarily a running position, and the spread formation, designed in the 20's, developed to "spread " the defense to open up a running game for a QB actually makes it harder to run and the get hit harder. This is starting to make sense to me now that I think about it.
By Bennett on Jan 7, 2013 | Reply
Gary C… I got to be honest this is getting fun. By cerf do you mean surf ? Do you "cerf" the internet for your football "knowledge " ? Tapes have expiration dates ? Is that supposed to be a sly way of saying they are irrelevant. Wow thats a good one. Maybe the historical aspects of the game are irrelivant to you and thats why you have no foundation for a basic knowledge of the game. Maybe you should start watching some old tapes ( before the expire) and it might better prepare you to comment on this sport instead of quickly "cerfing ".. Some of these old tapes ACTUALLY SHOW designed running plays for QB'so if you watched them maybe you would not have done that silly post.
By Allan O'Dane on Jan 7, 2013 | Reply
Well, tomorrow is the big day…Instead this news conference is going to start off with this silly tattoo business! Instead of the direction of this team and the moves that ARE going to be made. As a owner I don't get how Woody is not fed up with this whole mess. Your team is the laughing stock of the NFL. I;m with 64tom..Woody just sell the team to Curtis Martin and Co.
By Bennett on Jan 7, 2013 | Reply
Gary C..lets see about your latest silly post. RG3 had an injured knee with a brace on it… so he didn't run good Have I got that right so far ?. !st possesion he ran for a 1st down to keep the drive alive and score…2nd possesion he ran for a 1st down to keep the drive alive and score. Now bear with me here… I guess what you are saying is because he had an injured knee with a big brace on it and he couldn't run good so next season no more scrambling or running plays for him. Did I get that right ?
By Bennett on Jan 7, 2013 | Reply
Jet fan 64 You did watch that designed running play were Wilson ran up the middle for a nice gain. And you did watch that huge gain he had up the middle at his option. Did you post before the game ? I mean Wilson did seem to have some nice runs that seemed to take the "startch " out of the Skins D. Did he not ?
By Mike Jet Vet on Jan 7, 2013 | Reply
Bennett, I enjoy some of your posts, they are,very imaginative and especially speculative,take your theory on running QB's apposed to pure pocket passers, So again I will say to you Name one of your so called running mobile QB's just one matching even coming close to breaking any of the Records or success of Dan Marino, Jim Kelly, even Fran Tarkenton.Which FYI, none have won a super bowl,BTW he being Fran Tarkenton was a very good QB ask any great from the past who played and spent a career chasing him, My point you spend lots of time explaining to us why Running QB's are the rave but no facts on why, just basically your opinion, In ending Name just one QB with any similar records. Oh Big Ben is not I repeat not a running QB
By Bennett on Jan 7, 2013 | Reply
Jet fan 64. NO running QB's ever had an effect on the game since.. when ?. Are you going to start with the absolutes like your co-host ? Vick had a little effect I can't forget what he did to the Giants in that one game. Mcnabb had some effect. even Elawy was effective running'. How bout most or some your sarting to sound ignorant with the absolutes, stop reading Gary C for awhile
By Bennett on Jan 7, 2013 | Reply
Jet fan 64 seems like your relying on your co-host the "cerf king " to much for your information, You even starting to sound like him with the silly absolutes. Of coarse it would be to much to hope for that you would start the one line "zingers ' instead of your over long chapters. But man don't lose your logic you don't want to start being silly… Do you ?
By scjoe on Jan 7, 2013 | Reply
Gary, there may not have been any dynamic, or epic QB battles in the 4 playoff games this past weekend, but if you check the game stats you will see that the team that had the better QB play won the game (all 4 games) coincidence? Notice I did not through the term "elite" out there, just the fact that QBs drive this league today and it is very, very, difficult to win with out a good one, but you, and I, as Jet fans know that first hand.
By scjoe on Jan 7, 2013 | Reply
64, I would be shocked if Marrone turned the Bills around before he gets fired too. Actually, that is a little unfair, because I doubt very much he will be shopping for any of the groceries, but that's just the way it is. As I always say, and you know that I do, there aren't that many HCs out there today that you can say "make a difference" it usually comes down to who they have on their respective rosters, especially at the QB position.
By Bennett on Jan 7, 2013 | Reply
Jet Fan 64 Did we not just see Wilson in the run op ? Are you seriously trying to tell me he was not effective in the run. Is he not now going on to the next game as some result of it ? Come on man get real start thinking agin before you post
By GaryC on Jan 7, 2013 | Reply
Bennett,Track down Warner Wolf,so you can look at more videotape.the one's you are looking at now are a little fuzzy.
By scjoe on Jan 7, 2013 | Reply
kleckofan, I see where you are coming from in cutting Sanchez, but actually, the cap hit and dead money issue would be the hardest hit if they do that.(17 Mil) I think you will see him here one more year at 8-13 Mil (as a b/u, pretty sad ha?) then never to be seen or heard from again in 2014
By Bennett on Jan 7, 2013 | Reply
Kleckofan…All those sacks were certainly not his fault but alot of them were. I was thinking that after that late hit on the sidelines when he came in for good ole Sanchez it was going to be a "welcome to the NFL " first start with the D pumped to get him. I thought that the Jets line would realize this and be pumped and ready. They were as flat as I ever saw them and let the wolfes get at him. That one sack were he got clotheslined said it all to me. They were hungrey to nail this kid and the Jets O line let them T- off on him. Very ugly
By Ronbo19 on Jan 7, 2013 | Reply
S.C.JOE, Looks like you were watching the same games as I was. It would have been interesting to see how the Seattle -Wash. game turned out if R.G.III was healthy.but in view of all the circumstances i agree, the teams with the better Q.B play won.now, i am not saing flacco is a better Q.B then Luck, only that he played a better game yesterday.Down the road I think there will be no comparison. IRA, surprised I have not heard a responce concerning my Cohen comments to you? I just cant understand how a sharp guy like you could think the Jets could sell that one ot their fans?
By Bennett on Jan 7, 2013 | Reply
Heres my take on the thing. Since the advent of the modern game there has always been the pocket passer and the QB that liked to move, always on the look out to make the yards rushing. Now Peyton, Brady the best and granted they are pocket passers and I know you would not want to have these guys in a run-op type offense. It's not their thing. You design an offensive playbook to take advantage of what you got. Now take Wilson, very impressive, he is comfortable in the pocket but if he sees a gap he is going to take it Makes him multi-dimensional don't think that tape of the run up the middle is not going to be played more than a few times. Plays like that will kill just as dead as lettig Brady and Peyton get comfortable in the pockett
By Ronbo19 on Jan 7, 2013 | Reply
GUYS, THIS YEARS Q.B. CLASS; in relation to our needs.
1-Geno Smith 6-3 220 has the arm,mobility & experience to succeed
2-Tyler Bray 6-6 220 Big arm,not very mobil but not a statue. prone to ints.
3-Tyler Wilson 6-2 212 Solid 2nd rd pick good arm, but not a big guy
4-M.Barkley 6-2 225 No way I want him in spite of his solid career @USC
5-Mike Glennon 6-6-235 Simular to Bray but more erratic Big time arm!
6-Landry Jones 6-4 230 has all the physical tools, but doesn't win?
7-E.J.Manuel 6-4 240 Big physical, has the tools,but has been poor decision maker
These are the guys who are currently eligable for this years draft. Teddy Bridgewater is only a Sophmore and is not eligable as he did not red-shirt.
By GaryC on Jan 7, 2013 | Reply
40 year fan,Aikman left UCLA in 1989,Toledo did not get there until about 94,How was he is Mentor,maybe you know something I don't,I am willing to listen.
By GaryC on Jan 7, 2013 | Reply
Bennett,pulling your leg from way out here,If you are in to Pop Culture,google Bennett Cerf,especially if you are a old game show fan.
By GaryC on Jan 7, 2013 | Reply
Scjoe,not going to get on your case being a old Giant fan,but in your heart of hearts,are you going to tell me that the ravens,texans and seahawks won because of quarterback play,or was Marshawn Lynch,Arrion Foster and Ray Rice,just figments of my imagination.
By GaryC on Jan 7, 2013 | Reply
Jetfantom,is was not Old Sanchez,from Bennett's mouth it was OLE,Sanchez,look I am not going to beat a dead horse,we know Sanchez is not long for this team,this guy is just another in a long line of bad jet quarterbacks,Look,it is a new year,new staff,maybe new change will come with a promise of a better tomorrow
By Ronbo19 on Jan 7, 2013 | Reply
TOM64,IRA,BENNETT,GARY C & S.C.JOE, Heres my 2cents on this running Q.B. thing; If this weekends game teaches us anything its that running Q.B's are a lot like runningbacks, only worse. They are often not as big or as used to getting hit and they get paid so much and are so essential to a teams success. My preference would be to have a Q.B who has the ability to prolong a play (like Geno Smith or Teddy Bridgewater) but who has the common sence to know he is not Adrien Peterson. Now, that being said, I absoloutely love R.G.III but I am sick about what happaned to him. Shannahan had a tough decision to make.Players always want to play!
By GaryC on Jan 7, 2013 | Reply
Bennett,I am sorry you selected Sanchez for your fantasy league,but don't take it out on me.
By IRA on Jan 7, 2013 | Reply
Ronbo, Yes Cohen would be a hard sell to the fan base considering he came from in house. If they think he is the best candidate then they should hire him. You can't worry about what the fans reaction will be when you make moves with staff, coahces or players in most cases. We will see how this plays out. You have to see which man has the best vision for your team and how he will fix the QB position and cap for next year and beyond. Tough call and hope they select the best man for the job.
By Tom Spicer on Jan 7, 2013 | Reply
As far as the games this weekend . Rodgers played vs Joe Web there was no shot in hell that he would win that game. Webb did not take 1 snap all year so you cant even count that 1. 2 Luck is the more hearlded QB yet Flacco won. RG3 is the more herarlded QB yet the Seahawks won. If you watched the Texan game that was the Arian Foster on O & the JJ Watt show on D. Schuab the "winning" QB has (off the top of my head this is not exact) 250 yards passing NO OR ZERO TDS & a pick. He did NOTHING to say he was the guy IT WAS ARIAN FOSTER & JJ WATT SHOW they were the stars of that game. If you cant see this or admit this then you will never EVER get it!
By Tom Spicer on Jan 7, 2013 | Reply
Since JOE CAPS can not digest an entire post I will put in 5 small post & ask him to answer them. In 2002 it was Tom Bradys 2nd year in the league he had 2,843 yards passing, 18 TDS & 15 TOTAL turnovers. The Pats won the Super Bowl that year. Now JOE CAPS & anyone else that would like to answer this. Was Tom Brady a ELITE QB at this point?
By Tom Spicer on Jan 7, 2013 | Reply
In 2006 Big Ben had 2,385 passing yards & 17 TDS. The Steelers won the Super Bowl that year. In that Super Bowl Ben had a 22 rating, was 9 for 21, had 123 yards, had 2 picks & ZERO TDS. He was the worst rated winning QB in a Super Bowl in the history of the game EVER! Now was he a ELITE QB at this point in his career?
By Mike Jet Vet on Jan 7, 2013 | Reply
To Fans believing in running QB's as it becomes obvious to Defenses and coaches through out the league, QB's with run in mind, loss of 5 -300 OL men in some cases FB and 2 TE's protecting them, They become fair game, Take RG3 for example, 1st half leading 14 zip after a knee from hits season over.. OK now on to Mike Vick he's had a good career very good at run and shoot any Titles or Super Bowls NO, I can possibly name many others with similar attributes ending with the same results. Russel Wilson like so many others before him has some success until he gets figured out than go's on to a very storied but lack luster career. On occasion they make great plays, in the end it's just entertaining to watch
By Tom Spicer on Jan 7, 2013 | Reply
Trent Dilfer won a Super Bowl was he ever even a good QB?
By Tom Spicer on Jan 7, 2013 | Reply
Brad Johnson won a Super Bowl was he ever even a good QB?
By scjoe on Jan 7, 2013 | Reply
Ron, re: your QB list above, I would love Manuel in round 2. I would love him even more in round 3, but that would be a stretch.
By since shea on Jan 7, 2013 | Reply
If we could plug holes this tear and draft a late round QB, I would say we are on the right road. But, I still want you to keep an eye on Bridgewater for next years upgrade. Also, I know we keep hearing about how this is a throwing league BUT how great is it to have a Marshawn Lynch running for almost 7 yards a pop? Is that the ground and pound that Rex wanted? Makes the rookie QB Wilson look even that much better. Hmmm. I know it sounds familiar BUT we still need a real QB!
By Tom Spicer on Jan 7, 2013 | Reply
2008 the Giants win the Super Bowl. Eli had 56%, 23 TDS & 27 TOTAL TURNOVERS. Was ELI a ELITE QB at this point in his career? Now 2 things 1 please look up these numbers THEY ARE ALL FACTS! 2 I just named 5 out of the last 12 Super Bowl winners which is just about half. All 5 of these were either bad QBS PERIOD. Or in the case of Brady & Big Ben only in there 2nd year & not great yet. Eli he was a late bloomer until his 8th year NO ONE considered him to be a ELITE QB. At the start of the 2011 season when they asked him if he was ELITE & he said yes the WHOLE tri state area laughed at him!
By scjoe on Jan 7, 2013 | Reply
Ron, exactly! I am not saying Flacco is the better QB (then Luck) either, at this point in time that one can go either way, but my point is, and always has been, that if your QB outplays their QB there is a very, very, very, good chance your team wins. That said, sure, there are days when a "quality" RB rips out 200 yards and 3 TDs and keeps that "quality" QB on the sideline, but that is more the exception then the rule. You can talk about "elite" "quality" or which ever term you choose, there is only one common denominator, over the course of a season, quality QB play wins games, divisions, and championships.
By Tom Spicer on Jan 7, 2013 | Reply
Now instead of answering my above questions JOE CAPS will ask me a question about Terry Bradshaw or something that has NOTHING to do with the FACTS. He will tell us he works with ex NFL players which is good for him I wish I did. But the bottom line is this 5 out of the last 12 Super Bowl winners were GAME MANAGERS PERIOD!
By kleckofan on Jan 7, 2013 | Reply
scjoe- I've read that about the cap hit on Sanchez and it may be true.
Even so, I would cut him, if for nothing else, to eliminate the whole "QB controversy" issue w whoever is in camp next yr. I just think the whole Rex-Tanny-Sanchez debacle should be blown up as much as possible (it looks like the Rex part is here for now). Besides, I think locker room wise Mark could be problematic; he's so immature and such a downer, he's been coddled and I'm willing to bet some of our "good soldiers" have had enough. Maybe someone will take some of the hit for us (fingers crossed). Based on RonBo's (Alexander, right?) list, which is accurate, free agency may be our only avenue for a QB. One good thing about that list is that most are v. tall.
By scjoe on Jan 7, 2013 | Reply
All this talk about "pocket" passers as opposed to "running" QBs, and "ole" QBs as opposed to modern day, and game plans surrounding either. It is actually pretty simple, give me the pure pocket passer who "can" run with the ball "IF" he has to instead of the pure pocket passer with little or no mobility. Either way, the QB is susceptible to injury, if he is on the run, or if he can not get out of the way of the rush. Topic over, move on!
By GaryC on Jan 7, 2013 | Reply
Scjoe,have come to the conclusion I cannot debate you any longer on this quarterback issue,if you think these games this past weekend were all about the quarterbacks it will always be about the quarterbacks,like the politicians in Congress who are set in their ways,and nothing gets done,I am moving off this topic.
By Bennett on Jan 7, 2013 | Reply
Mike Jet Vet. I think once a topic becomes to long the original reason for all the back and forth becomes lost. I never said a running QB is superior to a pocket passer nor do I believe that I just happened to catch my name in a post where I was told not to post stats on RG3 and running QB.s don't last. This was a silly absolute statement that I simply tried to refute. I tried to sum it up in the a post above. As far as therory versus stats I guess if one wanted to you could probably prove any given therory with some facts just read Spicer some time. Is a running QB ever been effective and won in the NFL my opinion is yes. Do I want to try and prove this ? No. How about you try and dissprove it. Always read your stuff bro
By Tom Spicer on Jan 7, 2013 | Reply
Ronbo19, Bucky Brooks says Geno Smith is the Best. Kiper says Mike Glennon 6-6-235 true pocket passer with a cannon for a arm is the guy.
By kleckofan on Jan 7, 2013 | Reply
I think that w the cap money we would save by cutting our "dead wood" we should be able to get one of the better b/u's out there: A. Smith, M. Moore, M. Flynn and to a lesser degree Jason Campbell (admittedly another band aid) and maybeDrew Stanton could be mollified assuming that Tebow is gone (money talks).All of these guys could be sold on the fact that they would have a legit shot to start (if we release Sanchez).
At the very least Sanchez should be made to restructure. Maybe it goes down something like this: restructure or get cut. If he refuses: yes, you get cash but other teams see that one NFL team believes you are hopeless
Of course, who our GM and OC are will have a huge impact. on all scenarios.
By 40 year fan , John on Jan 7, 2013 | Reply
Gary C My bad , I thought He was Toledos guy ? Norv is still not a good choice ..
By Karan on Jan 7, 2013 | Reply
I mean ya, Mike Jet Vets on point, thats really the only reason I support Sanchez. Other than that, there's not too much to defend. As for Cohen, shouldn't they choose an outsider like Gamble and bring in a different perspectives? Cohen might be good but a fresh face sounds better.
By Karan on Jan 7, 2013 | Reply
I believe the AFC Championships going to be the Ravens vs. Patriots. While I never like to count out Peyton Manning, I think this is the year the Ravens might finally reach the promise land, and yes, I thought of this even before Ray Lewis stated his retirement.
By Karan on Jan 7, 2013 | Reply
The NFC Championship is still very hard to call. But I think it'll most likely be the 49ers vs. Seahawks, the Seahawks and especially Russell Wilson don't get enough credit. Wilson was always a special player in NC State and short while in Wisconsin, he's transitioning his talents very well so far in the professional level.
By Byrdman on Jan 7, 2013 | Reply
Two observations about when this season went south > When the organization did not elevate Bill Callahan to OC at the end of 2011. Bill runs a "Zone" blocking scheme which our O-line and RB's thrived in during 09 and 10. Anyone else notice this? Sparano, in contrast has always taught a "Gap" blocking technique and had to teach our O-line how to run it. Gap blocking is more effective with a quick, shifty thoroughbred RB capable of ankle breaking cuts on a dime. (Does this sound like Shonn Greene:) ??
Our O-line looked mediocre this year primarily because they were adapting to a completely different blocking approach. Play action passing is useless when the D does not respect your Run game.
By Bennett on Jan 7, 2013 | Reply
Mike Jet Vet. You got my interest. Donavan Mcnabb way up there on the all time QB rushing list. I think he meets the defintion of a running QB with 3,458 yards and 29TD's. Do we agree on this point ? He had 4 consecutive NCF East titles, 5 NFC champ games and a superbowl. Is this a winner, do you agree he won and won alot and he was in fact a running type QB. Better than Brady or Peyton ? Of coarse not how many are. Won more than Marino? I'll let you look that up. We agrree on this ? Marino never won a superbowl either. Did I answer your question ?
By Bennett on Jan 7, 2013 | Reply
Ronbo19 ..I think Bridgewater is a Junior. What is your opinion of Tyler Bray ?. See you have him second
By Byrdman on Jan 7, 2013 | Reply
Anyone here watch the Outback Bowl this year?
To me that game is evidence that Football is still about Blocking and Tackling! If your O-line players destroy the opponents D-line – CONGRATULATIONS YOU WIN!! if however the opponents Defensive End Obliterates your ball carrier, the way South Carolina's Clowney did to Michigan's YOU LOSE !
The single most important player in that contest was not a QB, WR or RB it was a DE. Clowney's HIT was a STAKE through the Heart of the entire Michigan team that day.
By scjoe on Jan 7, 2013 | Reply
Has anyone read what the Bucs are doing with Freeman? They are doing what the NY Jets SHOULD have done. They are letting Freeman play out his rookie deal in 2013, then, if he has an elite type year they will either resign him then, OR franchise him. If he has a "Sanchez" type year they will move on with NO outrageous cost. See, they do not, or will not have a 17 mil cap hit for a 1st round bust, unlike our core of keystone cops.
By Bennett on Jan 7, 2013 | Reply
Mike Jet Vet. I give alot of facts in fact i my be second only to Spicer on the fact list. It just gets so boring. I lke to speculate and throw out my ideas, much more interesting plus you get alot more feed back when you speculate and don't try and prove it.
By Jet Fan Since '64 Tom and Still Bringin' It on Jan 7, 2013 | Reply
Bennett, the LeBaron thing was a joke I knew GaryC would get, Eddie being a symbol of the change from '50s to '60s football. But yeah, I saw him play a bit in '62 and '63 and I had a friend then who had old film clips. Speaking of sarcasm, my prediction of Sparano at HC was somewhat that with respect to Woody, as THIS shoulda been the yr Rex was fired and replaced mid-season, then the mid-season replacement fired. (That'll probably happen next yr.) I never said I liked Sparano for HC or that he'd stick. As for Curtis Martin owning the Jets, in case you haven't noticed, both political and corporate elections are almost entirely about identify politics these days and Martin's identify is as viable as anyone else's. But…(see next) post)…
By 40 year fan , John on Jan 7, 2013 | Reply
We could trade Sanchez for Matt Stafford , trade for Larry Fitzgerald to line up opposite Braylon Edwards. Then we could draft running backs ,& offensive line . also draft for tight ends and on defense ,…Linebackers
By Bennett on Jan 7, 2013 | Reply
Way to long on this QB topic lets get on to something else . No offense what so ever meant but I still think Karan is a girl
By Jet Fan Since '64 Tom and Still Bringin' It on Jan 7, 2013 | Reply
…(cont. to Bennett) it would be Martin's winning mindset, complemented by guys who'd help him with the numbers and other admin stuff, that would work for this team. You are also aware that his ambition is to be the first African-American owner of an NFL team, right? That couldn't hurt either with respect to working up renewed interest in this sorry franchise, but it wouldn't be like the PR move of picking Sanchez re the Latino market because while MS wasn't nearly good enough, Martin did just about everything he could as a football player and that ethic will carry over. I don't think you'll see any Curtis Martin-owned Jets setting the record for fair catches or taking a knee at the 40 at the half with a minute to play.
By 40 year fan , John on Jan 7, 2013 | Reply
CUT BAIT ….time to start over ….
By 40 year fan , John on Jan 7, 2013 | Reply
How about Vinnie Testevedi for Offensive coordinator ? and Wayne Ghrebet for recievers coach …Those guys had heart …
By 40 year fan , John on Jan 7, 2013 | Reply
I am going to pick The Texans to beat New England at home this weekend …
By Byrdman on Jan 7, 2013 | Reply
THIS JUST IN >>> RG3 is done for 2013, Any hope we had in trading for Kirk Cousins just went down the toilette
Hope Woody doesn't force the new GM to draft a QB with that #9 pick – this may be the weakest QB class in 10 years, sitting here right now looking em over I don't see a Sure Thing in the whole bunch much less a top ten draft pick.
ZAC DYSERT (cool name) could be our guy in the 3rd round. Comes from Ben Roethlisberger University (think they should just rename it that don't you?)
Quick Release Cannon – Accurate, on film you lose count of all the perfect passes he throws that bounce out of the WR's hands. I like this kid but…
What do all you "ELITE QB" scouts think about Zac?
By since shea on Jan 7, 2013 | Reply
Clowney is next years #1 pick hands down. If Bridgewater can come out now and we can get him later on then its a no brainer for me. Otherwise, I am thinking trading down from #9 to a lower 1 and maybe getting another decent 2 somehow. That said, I take one of the many OL out there (Walford for one) AND TE Eifert from ND or Ertz from Stanford. Should be an interesting watch tonite for Eifert. If we get these two holes done in the first two picks, and resign Keller if you want on the cheap, then we are accomplishing something. Flip side of this would be to take Bark Mingo at #9(not the other OLB with the bad back)and start him with Demario Davis. This assumes we can coach them right! Like other teams.
By Allan O'Dane on Jan 7, 2013 | Reply
Scjoe…I agree with you 110% on your post about Freeman. That's the way it SHOULD have been done…but NOOOO Mike T. gave this kid an extension just because they talked to Peyton..That made no sense…because they were afraid mark feelings would be hurt? come on man?! Bucs are doing it the right way. Play out your contract..we will give you all the tools you need to succeed. Jets do things the hardway…
By Allan O'Dane on Jan 7, 2013 | Reply
To be honest with you Byrdman the jets were fat and out of shape also. Big Mistake on letting Callahan go..but rumor had it he didn't like the way Ryan was running the team. They let go of conditioning coach as well..I'm glad because our players looked slow on the O-line…just look at the Seahawks and Niners those guys are in great shape and less injury prone.
By Ronbo19 on Jan 7, 2013 | Reply
BENNETT, i checked 3 places & as far as I can tell Bridgewater is a true Soph.Am I unequiacally positive? NO! But if you go to CBS sports.com they have an excellent set up to get easy access to that kind of info.MIKE JET VET, did you see my earlier post on the potential 2014 Q.B class? If possiable thats the way I would go as they are all as good or better than even Geno Smith. SPICER, I wish I knew for certian who will turn out to be the best NFL Q.B in this class? I just go by what I see and believe me I watch a lot of video and read a lot as well.Thats what happans when you reach 60 & have no life.At least thats what my friends tell me.
By Mike Jet Vet on Jan 7, 2013 | Reply
OK Bennett. Ill give you Mcnab, Like you said up there with Running QB's, Still not enough to make your case, for I can name At the very least 25 QBs to your one Mcnab, Look that stat up if you'd like, Correct me if I'm wrong, wasn't Mcnabb all but run out of Philly on a rail..in all his greatness …Bennett I'm not on a quest to correct you Just tying to bring a simple fact to light. Proves my theory they Go on to a storied but lack luster career
By Ronbo19 on Jan 7, 2013 | Reply
BENNETT, I like Tyler Bray & Mike Glennon a lot. They are both classic big,tall pocket passers with great arms and fairly quick release's. A quick release is a big asset as neither is much of a runner although Bray moves better than Glennon. Glennon reminds me a lot of the kid the Pats picked last year from Arkansas Ryan Mallett (who is even bigger at 6-7 265.) On the other hand, if you saw the other list with the 2014 Q.B's which included Bridgewater, I like all those guys much better as they all are big,strong armed guys who can move around.Obviously Manziel is not a big guy but he makes up for it as he moves better than Russell Wilson.S.C.Joe, I think Manuel & Landry Jones will be there early in Rd3.This draft is better than some r say'n
By Ronbo19 on Jan 7, 2013 | Reply
IRA, Sorry if I came off to harsh concerning Cohen but like I said, he will be a hard sell here on Randy's Blog.This organization needs fresh thinking and as Cohen was a part of the problem, I dont see how he can now all of a sudden be a part of the soloution. If Woody hires him it will seem to many as the cheapest way to fill the posisition rather than the best way!S.C.JOE, it looks like the Buc's learned a lesson on what not to do from us? I salute them for their thinking but obviously wish we had done the same.Another down side to the R.G.III injury is we wont be getting the Skins B/U Q.B
By Jet Fan Since '64 Tom and Still Bringin' It on Jan 7, 2013 | Reply
Ira, no one could disagree that Rex will have to change his ways or that we need a new QB or that we're not gonna become Brees' SB-winning Saints overnight. Still, Rex will never believe that games like Brees' SB win, in which he was, what, 33-for-36, can happen for the Jets. It's like he doesn't even believe such games are desirable, and as long as he's around that will always partly be the thinking. Even you, with all your yrs of watching football, are kind of skirting around the issue of how important passing has become ("…fling it all over the field," etc.) This all has to change and the sooner, the better. Rex tried to inch near the passing game with Sparano's "occasional shots downfield" and you see how well THAT worked out!
By Jet Fan Since '64 Tom and Still Bringin' It on Jan 7, 2013 | Reply
Yeah, Bennett, where's Vick now? Where's RG3 after a yr of running in the NFL? And good luck convincing anyone that what was great about Elway was his running! When Brady, Brees, Manning, and Rodgers are feared because they're such threats to run, we'll talk this over again. And just like you didn't get GaryC's very clever "cerf" joke, you don't seem to get very much about the NFL of the '60s-80s. I'm betting you didn't see a live game before about 1985, so since I don't get paid to teach you the history of the NFL I'm going to stop here. It'd be like trying to explain what Coltrane did after Parker, what Hendrix did after Harrison and McGuinn, and I'd rather post to Jet fans who want to turn this team around rather than display ignorance.
By Jet Fan Since '64 Tom and Still Bringin' It on Jan 7, 2013 | Reply
Since I always like a Big Picture guy, I'll pass on any of these more cosmetic topics — who we have to draft, what Sanchez has to do to not become the worst starting NFL QB of the last 10 yrs, what Rex thinks about anything — and go right to Allan's post. Yes, Allan, the problems at this franchise go very high, as anyone can see by Woody's half-hearted approach to responding to one of the most embarrassing Jet seasons ever. If Curtis Martin got together a bunch of guys to own the team with, some of whom would surely be vet football execs, the excitement would be so huge that the culture of the Jets would change overnight. I'll keep watching this penny-ante stuff but it's that kind of change that we really need and everyone here knows it.
By Jet Fan Since '64 Tom and Still Bringin' It on Jan 7, 2013 | Reply
Nice post on Freeman, scjoe, and yes, you'll recall that you, me, and a few others were saying last yr at this time that Sanchez should have to play out his contract, not get a renewal. I don't get why someone like Ira, who should know better, is taking this in baby steps. Some of the things he expects to happen next yr, like hiring a real OC who can compete in a pass-first NFL, shoulda happened 2 yrs ago. I also don't know why Ira, and the NY press, didn't get right away that sending Rex out of town was probably about keeping him from talking until he knew who he was gonna be working for. The days of Rex as the face of this franchise are over, though like Frank said it woulda been better to either keep both Mr T and Rex or fire both.
By Bennett on Jan 7, 2013 | Reply
Ole is old English for old… Billies short it to ol" like my dog ol" Blue. Nothing to do with Spanish, or Hispanic or Mexican. Don't confuse it with "ole or some other spanish word. Actually a term of endearment in England ie " Old Man "
By Jet Fan Since '64 Tom and Still Bringin' It on Jan 7, 2013 | Reply
And hey Randy, whaddya tryin' to do, set the record for posts on one story? Okay, 280, that's a great number, now give us a new story so we don't have to scroll through so many posts to get to post again awready! (Just kiddin' ya, I don't know how you guys manage to handle all the wit, weirdness, and wild arguments that we throw at you every day…)
By Jet Fan Since '64 Tom and Still Bringin' It on Jan 7, 2013 | Reply
"Redskins head coach Mike Shanahan said in a news conference Monday that the results of the MRI are prompting the team to send Griffin to Florida on Tuesday to see renowned orthopedist James Andrews for more examinations, essentially a second opinion that will decide the team's fate for the 2013 season. "There is a concern," Shanahan said. "That's why he's going to see him." The Redskins are seeking a second opinion because it is possible the MRI could be showing previous knee injuries. Griffin suffered a torn ACL in the same knee while playing in college at Baylor in 2009." Yeah, I'm just dyin' for one of these running QBs, Bennett! How many injuries you think he'll have by the time Brady's in, oh, his 12th or 13th yr as the NFL's best QB?
By scjoe on Jan 7, 2013 | Reply
Gary, in your first post above you asked the question about the weekends playoff games, but in your 2nd post you told me you don't want to discuss it with me anymore. So, I will go with the 2nd one, but I will say this, no matter what the RBs did this weekend, the game stats do not lie!!!!!
By scjoe on Jan 7, 2013 | Reply
kleckofan, again we are on the same page re: Sanchez and that obnoxious and utterly ridicules salary, but remember this, those thoughts are coming from us as fans, the FO, no matter who that may be, probably wont agree, they will probably go the most cost effective way, right or wrong!
By scjoe on Jan 7, 2013 | Reply
Byrdman, I have been watching Clowney since high school, just like Lattimore, and believe me, that is what he does! He is like a man among boys. How do you think he would look in green and white in 2014? Hey, if we go with Sanchez the entire year in 2013 we may just get our wish (:-)
By scjoe on Jan 7, 2013 | Reply
Tom Spicer, since you asked for "anyone else" to answer that absurd question, I will. NO!! Tom Brady was not an "ELITE" QB back then, he was just a quality QB. Feel better now? Now, you selectively picked out about 4 or 5 SBs to make a point, what about the other 45 or so? Did ANY of them win because they had an ELITE, QUALITY, (or any other term that applies) QB? GaryC, and you talk about me beating a dead horse!
By scjoe on Jan 7, 2013 | Reply
Ron, Tyler Bray is a junior who hasn't even declared yet, but the thing that concerns me about him is his INTs against better opposition, against Bama and Georgia he has 1 TD and 6 INTs, against teams like Troy and Kentucky he has 9 TDs and 0 INTs. There are no Troy's in the NFL. I know, that can be said about many college QBs, but you have to take the percentages into consideration. If he comes out, he probably is a 2nd rounder though.
By Jet Fan Since '64 Tom and Still Bringin' It on Jan 7, 2013 | Reply
Cavanaugh out, Pettine talking to BUF, GREAT, get rid of 'em all, anyone who has any ties to Mr T and Rex. 1st of all, the best thing I can say about Rex is his success on D shouldn't be tied to any one DC and 2nd, I haven't forgotten how many games in the last 2 yrs Pettine's "great D" got torched on big plays, including on 3rd-and-long, in both big and little games vs good and bad teams. As for Rex and his new hires, if he can't pick his own guys, pick his own new QB, and do a lot better (A LOT, Mark, not "a little") than he's done these last 2 yrs, even Woody will get rid of him. It's a grudging, unwise way to revamp a team but if it's actually Woody's plan, he clearly knows as little about the modern NFL as anyone else at Florham Park.
By 40 year fan , John on Jan 7, 2013 | Reply
Hey heard a rumor,… Sean Payton to New York …That would be great in my opinion , I like Rex , But , it has been embarrassing to say the least ….
By GaryC on Jan 7, 2013 | Reply
Alabama really knows how to do Ground and Pound.
By IRA on Jan 8, 2013 | Reply
Great comment about Callahan he should've been the OC no questions asked especially since he ran a strong running attack when he was in Oak. This was a huge mistake.
By GaryC on Jan 8, 2013 | Reply
Ronbo,it is a talent driven league,an offensive lineman is feasible at nine if it is Luke Joeckl and then deal Ferguson for other picks,never reach to fill another position,talent wins in the end,you just move the pieces.
By GaryC on Jan 8, 2013 | Reply
Take the top four teams in the SEC,form a division and they can challenge the AFC west.
By GaryC on Jan 8, 2013 | Reply
Scjoe,your perfect quarterback description is John Elway,not many of them running around.
By Tom Spicer on Jan 8, 2013 | Reply
SCJoe, That is why MR.T 100% had to go it was not just his bad drafts. But he was supposed to be a "contract guy" meanwhile he was handing out bad contracts (Sanchez & Holmes) like they were lolipops. That this team is in bad shape because of these contracts. Also this guy was supposed to be a salary cap guy & our salary cap is a mess. Even with the major cuts of Bart Scott, Calvin Pace, Jason Smith & Eric Smith. We will barley be able to sign our own free agemts & no others. I was looking at jetscap.com & unless I misinterperted it. It look REAL BAD!
By Tom Spicer on Jan 8, 2013 | Reply
Tony Sparano GONE! Good now get a Norv Turner or a Cam Cameron in house. Have Rex run the D & 1 of the above 2 run the O!
By JetBlu on Jan 8, 2013 | Reply
Post Card from Rex: Hey Jet Fans, how's the blogging going? Wish you were here soaking up the rays with me. Ya'know, obviously, the sun here in the Bahamas gives us the best chance to get a tan. I'm heading out to for a quick 18 with Mark later. His scores aren't that great. Obviously, ya'know, if he eliminates the mistakes I think he can break par. He just has to play better. I believe that he can win the Masters this year. You may all think I'm crazy but I really believe that he can win. Well, hope you guys are enjoying the playoffs. Sorry the team didn't get there this year, but, ya'know, obviously, we're going to win all our games next year. As long as I'm the head coach and Mark is the QB….Blah blah blah….
By Allan O'Dane on Jan 8, 2013 | Reply
Anyone notice how many ex-jet players are playing right now in the playoffs
James I. /ravens
Santana M. /Redskins
Leon W./Seahawks
John A./Falcons
Jim L. /Broncos
Danny W. / New England
Jonathan G. / Niners
Just makes you wonder…
By SCfromNY on Jan 8, 2013 | Reply
Randy, Thanks for the job you have done this year. BTW . . . I think we need a new thread to post to.
By Ronbo19 on Jan 8, 2013 | Reply
GARY C, Sorry dude, your wrong on this one. Look at the mess the Dolphins have now with Jake Long. They spent the 2nd pick in the 08 draft on him & now they either have to pay him 12 mill or loose him as a f/a. Parcells always said you just cant afford to draft O-linemen early 1st rd. as no matter how good they are they only comprise one 5th of your line. You are better off with 5 good guys vs. one stud & 4 bumbs. The salary cap simply doesn't allow the luxury of tieing up that kind of money. Plus, what if the guy gets hurt or is a bust like Ducasse? I will be really upset if we go O-line at #9!!!! There are simply too many difference makers available to go that way!
By GaryC on Jan 8, 2013 | Reply
Tom Spicer,see,Tony Sparano gone,maybe I knew something.
By Ronbo19 on Jan 8, 2013 | Reply
S.C.Joe, Tyler Bray has alredy declared last week. And I agree 100% about this int's being a problem.And yes he is a 2nd rd. guy no doubt(mabey even 3rd?) Anyway, no way I want him at #9 as there are several OLB passrushers i would prefer at that posisition. I really believe we can get our future Q.B next year as that class is extremely talented and deep.There are actually 9 redshirt frosh(which makes them technically sophs for draft purposes) who will be eliagable for next years draft. You can add the kid from USC(Wittik 6-4 250 and the kid Bo Wallace from ole Miss. too 6-5 225 plus a lot of people like Jeff Driskel 6-3 237 from Fl. as well.
By GaryC on Jan 8, 2013 | Reply
Scjoe,you give me the number of quality quarterbacks now,and I can give you the same number in any other decade.
By GaryC on Jan 8, 2013 | Reply
Tom,not to get on your case,but I said that in an earlier post and you said do you know something that others don't,like you I am also looking for Norv,but some don't like that selection.
By since shea on Jan 8, 2013 | Reply
The SEC really has NFL ready guys. How great did the Bama OL do? And the two RB's? The center won three awards at three different OL positions, RG, LT C. One of the reasons that I am not high on Tyler Bray is that he does lousy against top competition like SEC schools. Too many picks. I like his size but thats about it. This kid Bridgewater is eligible to come out this year. Yes, he could use another year in school but if he does, he could be the steal in the second or third round after the popular picks go before him. Add 2 strong OL to our starting mix, a big TE along with a cheap resigned Keller, re-sign Landry and/or Bell to play w Revis and get Bridgewater? We can do this with $30mil CAP savings from 2 Smiths, Pace and Scott departures
By Ronbo19 on Jan 8, 2013 | Reply
BYRDMAN Zack Dysert is looking like a 3rd rd. guy at this point. That could change as the Senior Bowl and combine are the two big events yet to be played. Dysert is in the group that includes Tyler Bray, Mike Glennon,Landy Jones,E.J.Manuel and Ryan Nassib. My guess is a couple of these guys will emerge and wind up going as early as late 1st to mid 2nd rd as teams seem more inclined to reach for guys at the Q.B posisition? i dont know anything you dont know as to how good any of them will turn out to be. My opinions are based solely on what I have personally seen or read. I am not an expert by any means.
But isn't it interesting how two teams running ols school offences were in the national championship game?
By Ronbo19 on Jan 8, 2013 | Reply
JETBLUE, Hilarious dude, the Rex post card is one of the funniest posts ever. You are giving Byrdman and BENNETT a run for funniest posters of the year! Hey, did anybody notice that the two teams playing last nite ran conventional old school offences? No option, no running Q.B's! Just plain ole fashioned buckle your chin strap cause i'm gonna run over your face football!
By Ronbo19 on Jan 8, 2013 | Reply
S.C.JOE, As you are usually right its getting boreing to keep posting that again, you are correct concerning Clowney being the best player in college football. It will be interesting to see if he can unseat "Johnny Football" for next years Heisman.Now, a question to ponder… As Rex is apparently coming back, with a new O.C, Q.B coach D-cordinator Spec. Teams coach, plus who knows what else? Its quite possable with Sanchez also likely back as the starter, that we could be tha absoloute worst team next year So, if that were to happan, and we have the #1 pick next year, do we pick Clowney, Johnny football or which ever Q.B emerges as the best of the bunch? As this scenario is very likely to play out just this way, it will be interesting.
By scjoe on Jan 8, 2013 | Reply
GaryC, the Georgia Bulldogs vs the Denver Broncos? You sure you want to go there?
By Allan O'Dane on Jan 8, 2013 | Reply
Ok..just finished listening to Rex and Woody…and you know what I got?….
Does anyone remember the teacher who spoke to charlie brown?…wah…wah..wahwhah…wah…wahwah….HUH? Fellas it's going to be another painful year in 2013…..all I heard was excuses….excuses….no plans in place…no direction….no accountability…..No GM in his right mind would take this job unless he was just in it for the money. As long as Ryan is in the ear of the New GM NYJ will be back right where they ended. A GM has to build HIS team…with HIS coaches and HIS players. If Gamble is GM the only hope is he will get Alex Smith over here somehow…..then the glimmer of hope will flicker…I pray that NYJ cap situation isn't as bad as projected.
By GaryC on Jan 8, 2013 | Reply
JetFanTom,remember you saying that with the jets things could always get worse,here is a scenario with the jets,Jerry Jones fires Rob Ryan and Rex brings him in as defensive coordinator,Let the games begin.
By GaryC on Jan 8, 2013 | Reply
Scjoe,your analysis of quarterbacks is based on probabilites.Look if Juan Marichal throws two home runs in a game he will probably lose to Claude Osteen,We know Marichal is better but for one game he loses because Osteen had the better line score.Is this what you are getting at.So it can consume all sports,your theory.
By kleckofan on Jan 8, 2013 | Reply
I couldn't watch all the presser before I left for work, what stood out:
Woody is still strongly in Rex's corner (delusional)
Rex stated that he made the decision on firing Sparano (more dysfuction and another sign the FO is screwed up. I'm glad Sparano and Cavanaugh are gone but, any other org' would have gotten the GM in place and then made these decisions).
Rex said he thought his biggest failure was not creating a team that represented his personality enough, especially the offense! WOW! What does a Rex Ryan offense look like. Does he know?
Even though we all wanted news, the truth is that w/o a GM in place nothing could really be learned from Woody/Rex.
64 is right, Woody is not the guy to lead us to Lomabardi, clueless.
By Mike Jet Vet on Jan 8, 2013 | Reply
ON Rex and W-J presser. Boring more of the same smoke up the old whasu.. So I will hold my opinion until we get a little more insight on what moves other than the bare necessity like Firing of Mike -T Cav and Sparano all no brainers,, SCfrom NY, maybe you should start a thread of your own, if this one isn't satisfactory to you.
By Karan on Jan 8, 2013 | Reply
Obviously, Bennett can't read properly or must have misread if he thinks I'm a girl.
By Ronbo19 on Jan 8, 2013 | Reply
As Randy is probably writeing the new Blog concerning the Jets press conference today with Woody & Rex (which announced the official fireing of Sparano, cavanaugh and the iminent departure of Mike Pettine to Buffalo I hope this post does not get buried when the new one becomes available. According to the Pope of all sports Popes Mike Francessa, apparently Woody stated that rex will have input into who the Jets hire as the new G.M? If this is true, would Rex not be the man with the power? That is certianly the way Francesa is spinning it!Mabey Ira is right,Cohen could be promoted to take Tanneny's place? What a joke that would be on us! YIIIIIKKKKKKES!
By since shea on Jan 8, 2013 | Reply
WOW. Rex is Woody's man. Thats sounds scary. Dont worry, its a smokescreen. Woody cannot come out wishy washy and broadcast that Rex is a lame duck. No idea of how to run offense or a complete team for that matter. Guys on this blog knowing more about OL blocking schemes and what works etc? Rex now going to call the defensive signals along with Thurman, the new DC? He apparantly did that with Pettine the first two years and let Schotty run offense. Rex will still be picking in the draft? Stay tuned. This is not over.
By Tom Spicer on Jan 8, 2013 | Reply
There was a post above about us cutting Bartt Scott, Calvin Pace, Jason Smith & Eric Smith to generate $30,000,000 in cap space. That is great but we are $20,000,000 over the cap so that leaves us with $10,000,000 to which is barley enough to sign back our own free agents IF we even have enough money to do that!
By Byrdman on Jan 8, 2013 | Reply
Ronbo 19 – Yes, Exactly my point in regards to this years QB draft class!
Drafting any QB is a crap-shoot so rather than gamble all our chips on one player, like we did with Sanchez, lets draft one every year or two.
If you trade up and over-reach for a guy – it sets you back for years!
By Ronbo19 on Jan 8, 2013 | Reply
SINCE SHEA, Like you I want Teddy Bridgewater, and believe me, if he was eliagable he would be the 1st Q.B picked even in front of Geno Smith. I have checked every web site and he is a "true Soph. which means he did not red-shirt.
College kids have to wait 3 years from their High School graduation before they can enter the draft. MIKE JET VET, Amen brother, what a load of bull that was.I cant understand how anybody with an I.Q over room temp.(sorry S.C.Joe) could think keeping Rex & his traveling circus is in the best interest of the N.Y.Jets?
By GaryC on Jan 8, 2013 | Reply
scjoe,again a comment said in gest,is Jetfantom the only one who understands my humor,seriously scjoe,do you think a college team can beat a pro team,
By GaryC on Jan 8, 2013 | Reply
RonBo,Left tackle is the most important position on the line,If you think Ferguson had a good year fine,Joe Thomas of the Browns was drafted high and he is their best linemen,Parcells had Williams the center and Eric Moore when he coached them and both I believe were number ones.Look,Joeckl will probably be long gone anyway,he will probably go within the first five,with the jets you can't overlook anything to improve the team.If not my guy Ertz and Ball will be out there.
By scjoe on Jan 8, 2013 | Reply
Ron, I agree that at #9 you stay away from a QB. The field this year is pretty strong, and by that I don't mean full of potential 1 st rounder's, I mean potential 2nd and 3rd rounder's. The other thing is that they are all pretty much clones of one another, at 6'4″ 225-230 LBs. It will be a crap shoot like no other, that is why the new GM and the scouting dept have to do their home work. As for that Sanchez remark? That was more sarcasm, Honestly, I don't see him starting in 2013, also I don't see them getting the top overall pick in the 2014 draft. I do think that Clowney will go # 1 overall no matter who picks, barring major injury of course.
By scjoe on Jan 8, 2013 | Reply
Gary, I don't know if this will answer your question, but I try to differentiate between "elite" QBs, who are few and far between in any decade and "quality" QBs. I think we have all overused the term "elite" I also believe you underestimate the importance of a "quality" QB. You talk about great running games, but look at the Vikings this past weekend, they had 176 yards rushing in their game, but they will all be home next week watching Rodgers (who happens to be one of those few "elite" QBs of this decade) moving on in the playoff's.
By scjoe on Jan 8, 2013 | Reply
Gary, I would like to think that you were not serious about that SEC-AFC West comparison, but of course didn't know for sure. Thing is, I heard someone else make a similar remark recently.Then again, in my lifetime I remember a college all star team beating the NFL Champion, think it was late 50s or early 60s,when those games were played, do you remember that?
By Jet Fan Since '64 Tom Playin' Those Mind Games Forever in Jetland on Jan 8, 2013 | Reply
I got the joke, GaryC, so keep 'em comin'!
By JetBlu on Jan 9, 2013 | Reply
RonBo: YIKES is an understatement, but I feel ya. If the Woodman truely believes that Rex has any answers, there is not enough therapy in this complex world to help him get it figured out. Maybe if Jet fans boycot the games??? An empty stadium should send a message. Looks like we're all in for another long off-season of Rex blabbering about his delusional beliefs. This is painful.
By Ronbo19 on Jan 9, 2013 | Reply
JET BLUE, I literally couldn't sleep last night after watching that press conference. Every single media outlet from ESPN,SNY,WFAN,all the N.Y papers, everyone is saying the same thing, Is Woody Johnson completely out of his mind? Yiiiiikkkkes!
GARY C, you make a great point about L.T being the most important spot on the line. But as you also said Joeckel will be long gone by the 9th pick. Dont get me wrong, I respect your opinion and if our roster was as good as N.E,Balt,Seattle or any of the upper eschellon teams I would grab a great O.T in a second! I havn't checked yet but if a team has 2 ist rd picks in this draft I would strongly consider tradeing down.There are probably 45 to 50 players who will be considered by teams in the 1st rd.
By GaryC on Jan 9, 2013 | Reply
ronbo,could not agree with you more about trading down,especially with the influx of additional juniors entering the draft,at this point there would be a chance of getting both Ertz and Ball for the offense,and do a sign and trade of Keller.
By Row on Jan 9, 2013 | Reply
To all my friends on here, life just got complicated. Went through a terrible engagement, blah blah.. The first order of business should be to cut Sanchez. I think with a new GM, new offense, the Jets need to get rid of their biggest problem. I also would like to know where Braylon Edwards stands. Two big, physical WR's like Holmes and him would be amazing with a 4.3ish guy like Hill in the slot. Imagine the possibilities. Mcknight is just a kick returner. I am sold on that. Kerley can return punts. Also, I think Powell has shown enough flash to warrant Greene on the trading block. Bell needs to be cut. Haven't seen the film on college prospects but S is still a need. Go Jets
By Ronbo19 on Jan 10, 2013 | Reply
GARY C, It looks like the Rams have 2 1st.Rd picks. #16 & 22. With those picks we could get Ertz plus one of the OLB passrushers I mentioned to Frank and then with the 8th pick in Rd 2 we could get M.Ball. Every Moc I've seen has Ball going in the mid 3rd so if thats truley where he goes with could use that 2nd rd pick on one of the o-lineman and still get Ball early in the 3rd. How awsome would that be?
Of course if Rex is really in charge we will draft 7 guys on defence? I'm seeing a lot of people here thinking we can trade Sanchez & Tebow for picks? Personally I would love that but I cant imagine any team dumb enough to want either of them?Unless Karan gets a G.M job some place?
By scjoe on Jan 12, 2013 | Reply
Gary/Ron, can't believe you guys are even thinking about a TE in the first OR second round. If things would have remained status quo, I could have envisioned Tannenbaum doing that, but not a competent GM, and rightfully so, not with the other more glaring needs. (QB, RB, OLB, OL, S.)
By Ronbo19 on Jan 13, 2013 | Reply
S.C.Joe, I would only consider a T.E if we trade down mabey with ST.Louis who has two picks in Rd.1.(#16& 22.) I would love an OLB @#16 Like Deon Jordan 6-6 250 from Oregon & an O.L like G, Jon Cooper 6-3 310 from N.Carolina or Eric Fischer 6-7 315 C.Mich. at #22.With the 8th pick in Rd.2 we might still be able to get a T.E. like Eifert. The thing is Takeing an O.Linmen at #9 is tough as we are paying Brick & Mangold alot already.How much cap space can you tie up on O.L?There are no Q.B's unless you love Geno Smith worth the #9 pick. Unlike others here I dont see anybody looking to take guys like Sanchez or Tebow off our hands & offer us picks.Other than Cro or Revis we have no tradeable players.We need to let Keller, Moore,Pace,Thomas &-
By Ronbo19 on Jan 13, 2013 | Reply
cont.- Scott walk. That being said, we will need to find players to fill those spots.Obviously, the new G.M will have his work cut out for him. Heres a peek into next year:
Holmes Brick Rookie MGold F/A Howard F/A or Rookie S.Hill
B.Powell ?
a lot of holes on offence to fill? next the Def.