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Turned 70 about a month ago and not sure if I took the right path with my gear. Perhaps I am too Stamina heavy as one person mentioned that my strength is way to low which means I won't generate enough threat. I'm relying on Shield Slam, Devastate, TC, Revenge, and Taunt for threat. In some groups I seem to do very well. In others, I could swear they are not following the kill order or I am just terrible.
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Would greatly appreciate feedback, criticism, advice, etc. on my toon. Don't hold back, I am used to getting beat on.
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For just hitting 70 your gear looks fine. I would probably replace shoulders with S2 once S4 comes out, not too much honor and they would be a huge EH upgrade. There are quest boots and bracers that would be mroe than jsut stamina, give you some BV and defense, think they are shatari something, might check Berg's list. Pick up a ring from Old Hillsbrad reg mode and magister's reg mode, neither should be too hard for you to get and will be upgrades from just pure stam.
Good Luck!
Part of this comes because I have the Tank Points add-on which gives me the Tank Points and EH calculation. It always gives a + plus on the stamina over something like a Champion (or dungeon drop) piece.
I also recently switched to the Aldor Revered chest over the Warbringer which take +30 hit rating off the table. I'm eating Spicy Talbuk to give me +20 hit when I am in the instances.
Bad part, is that I don't feel confident to run Heroics and no one seems to want to do normals anymore on my server.
Hit rating food is good, do not worry about hit other than that. You should get threat from Shield Block Value at your level, look for gear that has that. Keep to the easier heroics (Mech, UB, Bot, Ramps) and gear up that way, do not try to do the tough ones for a while.
Also, switched out one of the pure Stam rings with Andormu's Tear - Andormu's Tear - Item - World of Warcraft which ups my Def/Dodge/SB rating.
Of course I am down to 12284 health now. Should I consider swapping out the two +defense gems on my gloves with +Hit gems?
Reading that +hit and expertise are the #1 threat generators. Trying to sort out the raid advice I think I have been following too from the 5-man and Heroics advice.
Also, just completed the escort quest and equipped Flesh Beast's Metal Greaves Flesh Beast's Metal Greaves - Item - World of Warcraft
Down another 400 health though.
Now at 11884
Seems like I am going the wrong way, but other stats are looking good.
Wait you switched out t4 for the Aldor revered one? The Warbringer chest is better.
edit: Just checked wowhead, I'm sure you meant this now that I saw you said hit rating: Breastplate of the Warbringer - Item - World of Warcraft
My bad!!
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Stop worrying so much about stam right now. I did H ramps last night with a tank that fully buffed only hit 13k hp, and it went easy, and I was the only one not in blues. Keep getting all your stats up, the HP will come naturally. And do not gem for hit rating, you do not really need any yet, the only hit gem I ever put in my tank gear was on my khorium destroyer and I always caught crap for it.
25K Health isn't going to keep you alive if:
a) The mobs are hitting your healers, and
b) The mobs are never missing you when you do have aggro.
I think all of the EH talk and the insistence on Stamina gems has a lot of new Tanks a little confused about the importance of Health. In reality Tanking well is about finding the balance of Health, Avoidance and Threat that works well for the content you're currently tackling.
Cant access armory from work, so ignore me if this isn't relevant. The only hit rating item I used when I hit 70 was a green quest reward ring, something to do with "windtrader" in its name, if you havent already done the quest it might be worth looking for, but otherwise I wouldnt worry about hit too much.
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I have Grom'tor's Charge as well as access to the SSO sword Inuuro's Blade. Being that I am Orc and get the racial for axes, I thought I would stick with the Axe. Is this Axe worth sticking something like Executioner or Mongoose on? I hear I won't have to replace it for a long time. (Sun Eater, King's Defender, etc.)
Picked up the S1 PVP shield and put a Felsteel spike on it for threat stats. Been using this but will be reaching Exalted with SSO tomorrow and wonder if I should switch to the Dawnforged Defender? If so, should I also go shield spike for threat? or an enchant?
What about the S2 Shield which is now available for honor? Should I be considering this? Grinding out 15000 Honor as a protection warrior is very painful so not sure if should do it again.
Still using some AH shoulders. (of the Champion) Some people have recommended going with the PVP Honor shoulders and I haven't seen a lot of other options out there. Ideas? If so, how should I gem it?
Ugh too many questions, brain hurts...joking SSO sword would be better for tanking, even without the racial. Mongoose if you can afford it, agility if you can't. Shield yes get the SSO one and chant it with stam, spikes are for weird aoe farming or dragonhawks if you can't find a pally. Only decent tanking shoulders that you can get from heroics are from Setthek, Spaulders of Dementia I believe they are called, otherwise go get your S2, I tanked with S1 through heroics, kara, and the first half of SSC, nothing wrong with them. Nice tanking shoulders drop off Netherspite in Kara or First timed chest in ZA.
So I did the awful and painful task of grinding out 11250 Honor and 20 AB marks and picked up the Merciless Shoulders. A protection specced warrior in the BGs is just plain ugly.
Due to a lack of defense gems in the AH, I socketed the shoulders with two +12 Stam gems which lowered my defense to 505. Being that the minimum is 490 and there is no maximum, at what point do I sacrifice defense for other stats? For example, at 505 defense should I still be stacking defense over stamina?
Also, am I ready to start the easier Heroics yet?


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In P3 (on 10-man) I just taunted the bomb bots and took the explosion. I was in my offspec for the fight as Fury and just equipped my sword n board for extra stam and stayed in def stance for the damage reduction. It meant that all the dps could concentrate on the assault bots and the aerial unit and get them down asap.
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Areas of Focus for an Upward 2nd-Half TrendPosted by on November 5, 2012 – 4:23 pm
Florham Park, the home of the Jets' Atlantic Health Training Center, was battered around a bit by last week's superstorm, but the borough is now almost back to full power.
Rex Ryan posited today that his players in several ways are trying to do the same.
"We know we're in a bottom-line business and that's wins and losses. For football, that's really all that matters," the Jets head coach said at today's welcome-back news conference. "Our focus is strictly on improving as a football team and getting ready to go compete and do what we can to win against Seattle."
On special teams, the Jets have committed "things that we really don't do." His run defense, he said, "has been poor, but it's getting better. The last 100 rushes, I think we've given up 3.1 a carry. We're getting better but we're still not where we want to be."
Same thing in the running game: "Our last 100 carries we're averaging 4.3 a carry, something like that. We're getting better, not exactly where we want it to be but we're making strides."
Takeaways and giveaways have been spotty (minus-1 overall in TO margin, a costly minus-2 in the red zone). "These are things that we've challenged our team, to make us successful," he said. "Those are the main areas we have to improve."
His players mostly left the area last week in different directions from Sandy's path across New Jersey and into Pennsylvania. Mike DeVito went northeast to his Maine home, LaRon Landry (Virginia) and Aaron Maybin (Maryland) went to the southwest. Others hung in the area.
But it seems all worked during their time away, as would be expected.
CB Antonio Cromartie watched two football games while he was away — Alabama-LSU and Seattle-Minnesota. A special focus of the Seahawks' win over the Vikings was the play of rookie QB Russell Wilson, who threw three first-half touchdowns. S LaRon Landry religiously worked out every day and kept up the long-term rehab on his heel, neither unexpected. LB Aaron Maybin, another workout monster, kept up with Seattle and with the defense's first-half video cut-ups on his iPad. The stories in all other corners of the locker room were the same.
And in the coaches' offices as well.
"It's almost like 'Hey, everybody stay out of the building … except coaches, of course," Ryan said. "A lot of coaches would take their work stations, their computers home with them. A lot of preparation was that way. You're never too far away from your work, that's for sure. And obviously, you want to make sure that they're protecting their families and that they're there with their families in these trying circumstances."
Ryan was asked what the coaches came up with.
"We got a bunch of suggestions, so I hope they're good," he said with a laugh. "We're certainly looking at them." Any hints of radical new concepts, plays, personnel for the second half? "I don't want to get into specific things," he said, "but I guess we'll see."
Will any of it make a difference? Last week we broke out the performances of the NFL's 3-5 teams since 2002, and the prognosis is not good, although by no means hopeless, and that's how some of the Jets' defenders see it.
"The months of November and December, that's when most teams are made anyway," Cro said. "I think the biggest thing for us is just to make sure we take care of the things we need to take care of one week at a time."
"We definitely have the resources to get back into this thing," said S Yeremiah Bell. "We have the players, we have the coaching staff and we have the want-to. The thing is going to be just us on Sundays, just going out there and executing."
Ryan said the first thoughts and prayers last week and early this week are for all affected by the hurricane, and then the next thoughts are only for that next game on the schedule, not the scenarios for any playoff stretch run (even though the Jets weren't hurt at all by Buffalo's loss, which drops them into a third-place tie in the AFC East at 3-5, and Miami's loss at Indy to go to 3-4).
But Rex also had an energy about him to get back to the grind and see what these Jets with their backs to the wall and their noses to the grindstone can do.
"I know we're not where we want to be, we're not even close. We're not sniffing the playoffs, we're not sniffing anything right now," he said. "But I want to get there. I'm excited about the prospects in front of us."
First things first: A great week of work is needed, then a win at formidable CenturyLink (formerly Qwest) Field, before anyone outside the Green & White base of operations will be jumping back on the bandwagon.
How Big a Homefield Advantage?
All Jets asked today vouched for the advantage the Seahawks enjoy in CenturyLink Field, previously known as Qwest Field, née Seahawks Stadium. It's loud and proud and the 12th Man is ready to rock its 'Hawks on to victory.
But how does the advantage stack up in the league? By home winning percentage alone, pretty good. Since '03, one year after they moved into the place, when they went 8-0 at home, Seattle's regular-season home percentage is .684 (52-24), tied for fifth in the NFL over that span.
But another way to measure HFA is how much better a team plays at home than on the road, as measured by winning percentage margin. In that same span, the Seahawks' home percentage of .684 (52-24) compared to their road percentage of .351 (27-50) is plus-.333. That margin is second-best in the NFL over that span, trailing only the Baltimore Ravens at M&T Bank Stadium (plus-.382).
The Health Picture
Ryan said LB Bart Scott (toe), NT Kenrick Ellis (knee) and RB-KR Joe McKnight (ankle) would sit out today's practice but wasn't ruling them out of practices the rest of this week. Additionally, some of the banged-up Jets such as NT Sione Po'uha, S Eric Smith, TE Jeff Cumberland, C Nick Mangold, G Brandon Moore and RB Bilal Powell were limited but involved in today's practice.
Rex: "I'm excited to get the team healthy and make this push the second half of the season."
The Seahawks went into Sunday's 30-20 win over Minnesota with an eight-player injury list and in the game starting OLB K.J. Wright reportedly suffered a concussion. The teams' official injury reports won't be filed until Wednesday afternoon.
Tags: Aaron Maybin, Antonio Cromartie, Bart Scott, CenturyLink Field, joe McKnight, Kenrick Ellis, Rex Ryan, Seattle Seahawks, Yeremiah Bell
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By Another Tom on Nov 5, 2012 | Reply
I Hope that Sanchez is studying game film of ROOKIE Russel Wilson to see how short QB 's can be successful in the NFL..I think our first half of the season MVP s have been Mo Wilkerson on Def and Kerley on Off..2 second year players that appear to be developing…thats a good sign
By Another Tom on Nov 5, 2012 | Reply
Given the success of Russel wilson, maybe We could swing a trade for Matt Flynn in the off season? Could He compete With MS Though?
By SCfromNY on Nov 5, 2012 | Reply
I almost felt bad for Rex during his conference. Unfortunately more of the same: "We need to get better, we have had some setbacks, I'm excited to get ready, we are making strides, and we will have some surprises" Are you kidding me? Does anyone think that the Jets will fool any opponent? I know Rex doesn't think the team is playing up to Jet standards, unfortunately the Jet standard is not very high. A week of prep by the coaches and Rex couldn't name any player on Seattle except Lynch.
I said on a previous thread; Sean Payton will be available. pay him what it takes. You can argrue all day that coaches don't make a difference. I give you Payton, the Harbaughs, Coughlin,Tomlin, and Bellichik
By Mike Jet Vet on Nov 5, 2012 | Reply
Sorry Randy, no reflection on you , but,More meaningless stats, on how they're improving, it's loud and proud in Seattle. excited to get players back who haven't contributed except maybe Keller, Really!! I didn't know apposing fans in apposing stadiums make more noise than home games, I believe every team face the situation, Jeez does it ever end, Oh right we're the Jets we deserve 10 point handicap, is it any wonder we're the laughing stock of the NFL, .Man up get these guys rolling or put some backups on the field, stop the $%^&*%^ excuses, Getting so tired watching these sad sack presser,
By Charliejet on Nov 5, 2012 | Reply
Lemme' get this right – "we are making strides" 30-9 last time I looked.
By TONY GARCIA on Nov 5, 2012 | Reply
JET FAN SINCE 1969. I am also tired were getting better,just play everyone best players left standing.OUR QB.situation is regretable draft no free agents.PLEASE give our guy from ALABAMA a chance.
By scjoe on Nov 5, 2012 | Reply
SCNY, with all due respect, I give you Brady, Mannung and Rothlesberger. They are difference makers. Do you think the Jets would have been a little more successful this season had they signed Peyton Manning instead of Tebow? Do you think this group of WRs would have been appropriate with Peyton throwing to them instead of what they have now? True, sometimes an "elite" coach can make a difference, but there are not that many to go around and none are available now. Don't think for a minute Payton can come in here from NO and have the sucess he had there unless he brings Brees with him. Give me Peyton instead of "Payton" any time.
By scjoe on Nov 5, 2012 | Reply
History has taught us that ANY NFL team can come out on top on ANY given Sunday (Thursday or Monday for that matter) BUT, I will say this, it would absolutely shock me if the Jets go into Seattle and come out with a win this Sunday. That would put them at 3-6 and still mathematicaly alive, but boy will it be tough.The best thing they will have going for them is the fact that Miami and NE still have to play each other twice. THAT, may turn out to be the key to this season. Play like Jets (?) and lets go from there. Still believe there will be an 8-8 playoff team this season.
By jimmy on Nov 5, 2012 | Reply
I am sick of bad talking the jets i also am an ALABAMA fan so to all the jets as Rex Ryan would say WILL GETEM NEXT YEAR
By Howie D on Nov 5, 2012 | Reply
After Titans latest loss owner Bud Adams said "At this time, all aspects of the organization will be closely evaluated, including front office, coaches and players over the next seven games. If performance and competitiveness does not improve, I will look at all alternatives to get back to having the Titans become a playoff and championship football team." FRONT OFFICE, COACHES, PLAYERS WILL BE EVALUATED OVER THE NEXT 7 GAMES.
By Jet Fan Since '64 Tom on Nov 5, 2012 | Reply
Rex and Sanchez are out of gas — kind of like someone else who might be in for a big surprise today, kleckofan.
By IRA on Nov 6, 2012 | Reply
Playing in Seattle is not easy for any team. I just have a gut the Jets are so due to play a good game they go out there and get this game. If that happens wonder what some of these comments will be and imagine if they get to 5-5.
Lots of work to be done with a team that is lacking in many areas. But pride is a big factor and after they got their heads handed to them by the Fish i think the Jets want to get rid of that rotten smell this week.
Jets 23- Hawks 20
By GaryC on Nov 6, 2012 | Reply
Trying to find a wee bit of good news in the jet season,is like trying to find a wee bit of good news in the economy.
By ron alexander on Nov 6, 2012 | Reply
S.C.Joe, I'm in Hiltonhead playing golf(though not well or today)the weather is lousey so I figured I'd see what the gang here is up to? I gotta ask you,other than the fact that we love ou rJets, what makes you think we will get to 8-8 ? I know the schedule is easier but has the 2 week abscense clouded your memory of the 30-9 drubbing we took? IRA,not that I think the seahawks are any great shakes but I'd love to hear how you think we're gonna go out there & beat them when we could'nt put up a decent fight against Miami @ home? Have yous seen us vs.the run? Have you heard of this guy Lynch they have? Lynch vs. our run D is a bad match up for us.
By harry-o on Nov 6, 2012 | Reply
the jets are ranked near the bottom at almost everything
that's a fact
winning 6 or 7 of their last 8 games and making the playoffs is a long shot
realistically 3 more wins , jags , titans, bills
you risk nothing but losing the game ( one ur not expected to win)
the players gain valuable game experience
maybe create that spark the team needs
you know these young kids are dying to play
let them show you what they have
the team your putting on the field isn't getting it done
By AZ JET Fan on Nov 6, 2012 | Reply
LOL, GarcyC, that is a good one. I sure hope we can fix that economy part starting today if you know what I mean As for the Jets- who knows when we'll get them fixed.
The G-Men have won the SB 4 times in the last 25 years or so. C-mon Jets.
By Byrdman on Nov 6, 2012 | Reply
Rex- I commend your optimistic approach to the next 8 games in the wake of last weeks natural disaster. The storm left much of the east coast in ruins, like what Miami did to the Jets last week. Citizens are hoping to see power restored and their lives return to normal, Fans just hope to see their Jets look like a competitive NFL team again. The current roster lacks dynamic play-makers. and seems to be loaded with mediocre talent at almost every position. Lousy NFL teams have improved by drafting the best college players available every year. The best hope for this team and for fans is that the Jets absolutely hit the LOTTERY in the 2013 draft – and sign 3 or 4 future pro-bowl level players over the next couple of years.
By kleckofan on Nov 6, 2012 | Reply
I'm also totally immune to Rex's comments at this point, just tired of it. I don't believe this coaching staff is capable of "radical" changes. Living in the NW I see Seattle every week, they are a formidable team. Love Russell Wilson, very mature, smart, athletic, a leader- all the things our guy lacks. Even if we were to somehow to win, it won't give me confidence in beating StL next week. As I said about the NE game, if we had won we probably would have lost to Miami anyway; the mentality after we play well is to rest on our laurels, not lets build from it. That's coaching. Let's not let the details of the schedule and playoff scenarios distract us from how flawed this team and org' are.
Pins and needles today, no hanging chads!
By scjoe on Nov 6, 2012 | Reply
Ron, I guess I am taking the "never say never" approach, or the "that's why they play the game" approach (;-) You have to believe they will lose to Seattle and NE at home, the rest are actually winable games. Sould they happen to beat either Seattle, on the road (wake up Joe) OR NE at home, it would only sweeten the pot.I just refuse to go on record and state that I would like to see the Jets lose all of their remaining games for the sake of getting a high draft pick (which there are no guarantee'e anyway) just to much of a fan I guiess.
By JetBlue on Nov 6, 2012 | Reply
The NCAA is full of athletes that can play at the NFL level. Some have natural born talent and others have a nose for the game. Some require a little more coaching than others. The trick is to scout these players an get them on your draft board before the NFL combine skews your thinking. Some things can't be measured by a stop watch or a bench press. Sanchez did very well at the combine throwing to uncovered receivers and having no pass rush. He played 1 yr in a wide open USC offense where his receivers were often times also wide open. In the NFL, your playing against the best of the best. How is it that this Jets team doesn't seem to have one player with that dynamic something? Yrs of Organizational ineptitude. Time for a change.
By Howie D on Nov 6, 2012 | Reply
Harry-O: You're being too logical about playing the back-ups. You make too much sense. Your reasoning seems too sophisticated for this regime. Absolutely, the back-ups, especially McElroy, should be playing. I'd also like to see Bellore get some (LB) reps. It's time to get an early start on 2013. See what you have with the pups, assess the situation, and build for the future. That's what sensible people would do, but apparently, we're not dealing with sensible people here.
By Howie D on Nov 6, 2012 | Reply
Randy: Do we know why McElroy isn't even dressed for the games? Are any of the reporters asking why he isn't being considered? If so, what's the answer? As far as I know he's healthy and ready to go. What's the deal?
By GaryC on Nov 6, 2012 | Reply
people can say that the jets need 2 or 3 bad seasons to get high picks,but with their affliction of trading away picks what good would it due,some smart franchise would approach them with one of their problem children,and rex,aka Father Flanagan would think he can set them on the straight and narrow and tell Tanny to trade those picks,for another malcontent.SAME OLD JETS.
By JetBlue on Nov 6, 2012 | Reply
Jets History: If 1st round draft picks & HOF players are any indication of a franchises success, the Jets are indeed out of their league. Other AFC teams have had success for sustained periods of time & their HOF players played a big part in that success. Bills went to 4 straight SBs with 4 HOFers. Fins went to 5 SBs with 8 HOFers. Raiders went to 5 SBs with 12 HOFers. Steelers went to 8 SBs with 9 HOFers. Jets, 1 SB with 2 HOFers (Riggins doesn't count). Just add Sanchez to a long list of NYJ bad 1st round picks (R Todd, Lam Jones, J Lageman, Blair Thomas, Roger Vick, Kyle Brady, A Becht, D Robertson, V Gholston, etc.). Bad history, bad karma, bad teams. But for the life of me I can't stop living and dying with this team.
By GaryC on Nov 6, 2012 | Reply
this is how bad the jets quarterbacks have been thru the years,Al Dorow might be in the top five of all time.
By IRA on Nov 6, 2012 | Reply
ron, Just a hunch because i think we are going to get a big time effort from the Jets after they didn't show up for the Fish. The Hawks are due for a stinker and with the bye a week away maybe they have an off day. Both teams will stack the box to stop the run so it will come down to the QB's and whoever comes up with a better game will win this one. Even though Sanchez has struggled i go with him and keep my fingers crossed.
By Tom Spicer on Nov 6, 2012 | Reply
I think 8 & 8 may get you in 9 & 7 I think will 100% get you in.
By Tom Spicer on Nov 6, 2012 | Reply
I dont think the Jets record reflects this team. We had to deal with many injurys from Revis & Holmes being out for the year (our best players on O & on D). To Keller missing 5 games, Hill missing 3 games, Powell missing 2 games, Pouha missing 5 games, Ellis missing 3 games, Thomas missing 4 games & Scott missing a game. We have been a real banged up team. I dont think we are as bad as everyone is making us out to be.
By Tom Spicer on Nov 6, 2012 | Reply
There was a article in the Post either Saturday or Sunday. It basically was a staying or going article. It said Tebow, Greene, Schiliens, Slauson (they have been working in Ducassue every game), Scott, Thomas & Pace are as good as gone. It said the Jets can save about $16 MIL in cap space just by cutting Scott & Pace. With Davis already replacing Scott as is this comment is 50% a done deal. They said Woody really likes Rex & they think that there is more of a chance that MR.T will get canned before Rex. The article went on to say that Keller, Holmes, Sanchez & Landry will be back. It said that Holmes & Sanchez are guarnteed so much money that we are with them hell or high water for the next two years. That really makes you question why MR.T
By Tom Spicer on Nov 6, 2012 | Reply
gave Mark that extension. Mark was under contract he did not have to give him anything. Also it is not like MR.T went out with the cap savings from that contract & got all these good free agents we were bit players at best in free agency. I dont get it?
By Tom Spicer on Nov 6, 2012 | Reply
Teddy Atlas from Staten Island a boxing trainer / announcer became very good freinds with Mangini. He said after Mangini was let go that Favre was forced on Mangini & that he never wanted him. I think we are having a similar situation with Tebow. I think that Woody & MR.T forced Tebow on the Jets. I think Rex & Sparano want no part of him thats why he barley plays. It is all about Woody selling Jersey's, PSL'S & getting on the back page.
By Tom Spicer on Nov 6, 2012 | Reply
If you look at the Jet roster they are 2 players away from being a contender & 3 players away from being a legit Super Bowl contender every year. Revis, Cromartie, Landry & Bell is a great secondary. Wilkerson, Coples & Ellis have the makings of being a great D line in the future. I think we are set at MLB with Harris & Davis. On O the O line is playing better this year not as good as 2009 & 2010 when we had run blocking road graders in Woody & Faneca but still better than last year. Last year Mangold, Moore & Slauson were hurt & Hunter was a doormat. This year with those guys healthy & Howard doing a good job they have been better. With Holmes, Keller, Kerley (who is really stepping up) & Hill (who will be good if he learns how to catch)
By Tom Spicer on Nov 6, 2012 | Reply
we are good in the pass catching department. So what is missing you ask? This is what is missing The Jets are a great pass rusher & a great RB away from being a consistent playoff contender. The Jets are a great pass rusher & a elite QB away from being a consistent Super Bowl contender. Like I said the team is not as bad as everyone is making us out to be. 1 pass rusher & either 1 RB or even better 1 QB away THATS IT!
By Allan O'Dane on Nov 6, 2012 | Reply
So..let me get this straight…two weeks ago Sanchez and Tebow were among the most overrated players in the NFL…This week Rex Ryan was voted as a overrated coach..mmmmm…2+2=4. Rex wants to fix this mess, well start with running game. Start Mcknight and Powell…let greene come in on 3rd and short. Use more 2 TE sets with cumberland/keller. Use tebow inside the 10. The NYJ Def. doesn't have a big NT like Big Jenks anymore so use a 4-man front. Let the speed guys stay on the field Maybin-Davis-McIntrye. Going to have to bring in Landry in the box. Tony Garica I couldn't agree with you more, if this season is a wash…start the kid from Bama..let's see what he's got.
By GaryC on Nov 6, 2012 | Reply
now we are bringing back Jason Hill,who they never should have cut in the first place,Gates should have been cut,for Hayden Smith,now we lose Antonio Allen again.these lower end roster guys must feel like jack in the boxes with the jets,cut,bring em back,cut,bring em back.Can I once see,Scott,Pace,cut.and don't bring them back.
By GaryC on Nov 6, 2012 | Reply
the jets roster cuts must fall under obamacare,do not cut anyone over 30 years old.
By SCfromNY on Nov 6, 2012 | Reply
scjoe: I didn't mean to neglect the elite QBs associated with winning coaches but QBs are not the only thing. Looking past the QB, sorry Dan Marino, but quality coaches bring more to the table. Player evaluation, motivation, and the ability to identifyand PLAY second tier players in a successful way.Jetblue: I've been saying forever that from the scouts on up changes are made. The scouts and management are not doing their job finding players. Now is this incompetence or poor plans it doesn't matter. Just another change that needs to happen. Isn't it sad that with a half season to play many are already figuring how losses by other teams will mean better success for Jets. How about the Jets win and not count on other teams being worse.
By kleckofan on Nov 6, 2012 | Reply
Mike JV, HarryO, JetBlue, JFT64, SC and all the rest of the clear thinkers on here: we can forget about the logic in playing young guys; the FO and many fans still believe there is something to hang onto…pipe dreams.
When a democratic society realizes that it can elect representatives that will give them things for free they will do so in ever growing numbers until those paying for those things are in the minority, then there is chaos. It approaches. I like the idea of making one's own way or being given the means to do so, rather than just being given. I join Bitter Blink for 4 yrs!
By IRA on Nov 7, 2012 | Reply
Tom 8 -8 just might but i think 9-7 should as long as the Colts and Fish lose a couple more games and i think they will.
If the Jets are to win this week and i am saying they will its going to be because of the D. Wilson has not thrown an INT at home yet and is due for a poor game especially if Rex can throw some looks at him to confuse him. They must however control Lynch keep him at the 80-90 yd mark and not let him run wild for 150 plus and they will win.
By Frank on Nov 7, 2012 | Reply
Nice try Ira the Hawks have a great D and are tough at home and the Jets go to the West coast were they have a hard time. Sanchize-Not is in for a long day and the Hawks will blow them out.
This team is 3-8 over their last 11 and Sanchize-Not has been brutal during that stretch.
Funny how Rex was voted the most over rated coach in the NFL he is also the worst talent evaluater in the NFL by my estimation.
By ron alexander on Nov 7, 2012 | Reply
BYRDMAN & JET BLUE, great posts here guys,really well thought out and stated! S.C.Joe,yeah, I figured you were wearing your wishful thinking cap. I understand where your coming from not wanting to loose just to get better pic's. The problem is this team has not displayed the character or resolve to turn this season around? I havn't seen anything that makes me think this team has the leadership or will to win.(not to mention the talent issues!) IRA, o.k, out of respect I can understand your hunch or gut feeling & if you are right it may spark the team to what 8-8? Hey, like you I love this team but I find it difficult at best to remain optimistic when I see the product we are putting on the field.
By Mike Jet Vet on Nov 7, 2012 | Reply
Ira, effort? like the effort they gave after the NE loss, that loss was to the fish, why do think negativity just keeps coming, week after week , you say the right words. normally I'd agree, but we are what we are ..I hate to say sorry fans, even on Seattle's worst day they will defeat Our Jets . OH.BTW Rip America
By GaryC on Nov 7, 2012 | Reply
As Jim Mora so eloquently said,PLAYOFFS,PLAYOFFS I JUST WANT TO WIN A GAME.wake me up when we have a four game win streak,until then,PLAYOFFS.
By scjoe on Nov 7, 2012 | Reply
Disappointed, disenchanted, disillusioned, dissatisfied, disgusted, discouraged and concerned! (;-( Now, on to the NY Jets. SCNY, you are 1000% right re: "elite" coaches. Problem is a 1 in a 100 ratio would be about right. Peyton Manning took his team to a SB with a average "at best" HC in 2009. In 2010 that same exact team with that exact same HC (less Peyton Manning) won 2 or 3 games. That is reality, That tells you all you need to know about "elite" players vs. "elite" HCs. Bottom line, I just don't see another HC out there who would make a difference with this supporting cast. If Johnson could convince Parcells to come back as HC and GM, I would be all over that.
By scjoe on Nov 7, 2012 | Reply
GaryC, I agree, the musical chair philosophy with the bottom of the roster makes 0 sense to me. How can you possibly groom a young player and get him acclimated to your system in that manner?
By scjoe on Nov 7, 2012 | Reply
Spicer, 2 or 3 players away? Maybe if they were Peyton Manning, Arian Foster, and JJ Watt. Otherwise? I don't think so. Take a look around the roster. Would you agree the only keepers should be, Revis, Mangold, Harris, Brick, Moore, Wilkerson, Cro, Landry and Kerley? With a maybe to Coples,Ellis, Davis, McIntyre, Maybin and Hill (in the hope they can develop) Some may add Keller to that mix, I wouldn't.
By IRA on Nov 7, 2012 | Reply
Guys can't go into a game with no hope. Sorry its just how i feel. Everybody should read Costello's article in todays NY Post. He writes what i have been saying for a few weeks. I am a fan and just hope to stay in this for however long as possible and until they get their 8th loss or 9th then i am hoping they can get some wins together and get on a roll vs a very weak schedule these next 8 weeks.
By Another Tom on Nov 7, 2012 | Reply
We cant afford to miss tackles on Lynch..If we do the beast will beat us single handily. We gotta run the ball, control the clock and limit His touches. I hope Powell and McKnight are healthy and ready to roll. They join Greene and become our version of wind, earth and fire…
By JetBlue on Nov 7, 2012 | Reply
In his song "Hurricane" Bob Dylan sang about being ashamed to live in a land where justice is a game. Kinda feels that way today as the people have spoken. These people who believe that 4 more yrs of being fooled must be able to relate to Jet fans who hear Rex tell us how everything's going to be alright. Does Rex need 4 morre years? I don't believe Rex could get this team on track if we gave him a decade, a box of bandaids and ObamaCare. Too bad we don;t get to vote for the GM, the HC, and the QB. No matter what your politics may be, I believe we can all agree to vote out the incumbants we have now.
By chris long time jet fan on Nov 7, 2012 | Reply
people when the 3 and outs stop the players will start playing again but not until rex or sanchez is gone…..the jets are very solid team just need a qb…i believe the team likes rex but he wont sit sanchez.
By Mike Jet Vet on Nov 7, 2012 | Reply
Off topic. Hope Randy will excuse me and post. In All my Negativity I hope My jets win a super bowl before my time, I am of long days gone by. I won't get into things I've witnessed,sacrifices I've made. because I was glad to put it on the line for Family Country,freedom, honor, Pride, , Right to watch my beloved Jets in the greatest country in the world ,follow in the footsteps of Brave men like my Dad and five brothers who lost their lives before me all the great warriors who've paid the ultimate price. so our Youth can carry on a great tradition, So my Jet Brothers and sisters forgive my rant , some how I feel cheated today.
By Charliejet on Nov 8, 2012 | Reply
No Mike – nothing to forgive here. Heartfelt message, well put.
By JetBlue on Nov 8, 2012 | Reply
MikeJetVet: You were cheated, as were many of us. There are many hard-working Americans who still believe that we should have to earn what we have, and who give to those in need without any expectation of getting anything in return. Problem is, we are now the minority. This mind-set transfers over to our football team where we have those who understand that organizational success begins with a strategic execution plan. Then, there are those who accept losing and mistake it for an opportunity to improve. For me, close enough is never my goal. In these feel-good times where we all get a participation trophy, I still believe that there's nothing wrong with wanting to crush your opponent….over and over again. Now that would feel good.
By ron alexander on Nov 8, 2012 | Reply
GARY C, well said about the roster. Why cut a kid who may help us when we could get rid of some deadwood that has clearly demonstrated it no longer can? S.C.Joe, met a chap from your neck of the woods on a boat tour yesterday.says greenville is awsome! Heading north today hope the roads in N.Y. arent too bad 7 we can get gas?GO JETS!
By russ on Nov 8, 2012 | Reply
let the cuts begin…..Tannenbaum can manage the cap but not the draft..Ryan can manage the defense but not the team…and Wilkerson and Coples should watch Giants DL and learn how to play defense.. and Ol needs strength and power all ….else is window dressing..
By Byrdman on Nov 8, 2012 | Reply
ScJoe – As I recall the Colts won the SB under Tony Dungy – based upon his record is considered an Elite coach. When Tony retired, Caldwell took over and the team basically fell apart. Jet fan's love the decision Caldwell made to pull Manning – we hammered the backup (Painter) and punched our wildcard ticket that year. The order of events was SB, then playoff loss, Dungy retires, Caldwell clueless, Manning injured, Cwell fired, 1st pick Luck – now that same 3 win team looks like they will be going to the SB before our Jets do. The NFL isn't fair: Colts have an elite coach and QB for a decade, lose BOTH fans suffer through ONE bad season, grab their new elite franchise QB for the next decade while Jet fans wonder "why not our team" ?
By Byrdman on Nov 8, 2012 | Reply
Looking back over this past month, my comments have been about 90% negative. I don't wan't to give you folks the wrong impression – I approach each season hoping the Jets somehow against all odds reach and win the SB. I actually believed Rex when he stated "This could be the best team I've had" Most of my life the Jets have ranged from average to laughingstock, with a fluke playoff game here and there. I really bought into the hype surrounding Rex in 09, thinking maybe we finally got it right with this guy. His playoff run (seems like 5 years ago) was great but,, I feel like he needs a huge infusion of elite talent – gamebrakers on both sides of the ball – to win a SB. Maybe a 5 win record can land us 2 or 3 and they steal a FA or 2
By Byrdman on Nov 8, 2012 | Reply
I've NEVER once thought the Jets had more talent than the top 6 or 8 teams in the NFL. Every year we are an underdog team on paper who either back in to a playoff game or the stars align just right for em, only to be exposed when we face a superior team. Wouldn't it be great if we were loaded with so much speed and talent that BOZO the clown could coach em to the SB? Or even an amusing goofball like Rex?
By scjoe on Nov 8, 2012 | Reply
Byrdman, re: the "negativity" I can relate, I think most Jet fans can. Although I like to refer to it as reality, because basically that is what it is, we here on Randy's radar are just the messengers, we talk about, and sometime debate about what we see in front of us, regardless of what a select few like to label us as, it is right there in plain sight for all to see. Like you, I approach each season on a positive note, but how do you stay positive with a game like the Miami game, or the SF game, or the Pit game? Just compete, that is all I ask for. The competitive balance in this league being what it is, that is not to much to ask for.
By scjoe on Nov 8, 2012 | Reply
On the Colts Byrdman, we have to agree to disagree. Yes Dungy took the Colts to a SB win, WITH Peyton Manning, don't think he would have done it without him. Dungy retired, Caldwell inherited the same personnel (Peyton included) and also took the team to a SB (a loss) The following season (without Peyton) that same exact team won all of 3 games. It is my contention that even had Dungy remained the HC in 2011 (without Peyton) that team would not have fared much better. I would bet the ranch on that. I wouldn't consider Dungy an "elite" HC. I would consider the QB who played for him "elite" So elite, that his team went 13-3 in 2010 and 3-13 the following year with an almost identical roster without him.
By jetken on Nov 8, 2012 | Reply
jetblue u really have some good posts.We all know how bad this organisation is and has been and it doesn't look like its changing anytime soon. It starts at the top and if the owner isn't 100% into winning well i guess we r all wasting our time. Win or lose Sunday they aren't going to the playoffs.This team doesn't have enough good core play makers to compete against the best teams in the league. Tanny needs to do a better job drafting good talented players instead of trying to play lets make a deal every year. If they aren't able to turn this season around with the current players they r playing in the next few games, they should at least try a change at the qb position( Mclroy). I'm predicting 6-10. A sorry fan for another sorry year.
By Byrdman on Nov 9, 2012 | Reply
ScJoe – In regards to Dungy: If you just look at his record as HC he's 70 games over .500 – Many feel that he got screwed in Tampa where he had everything in place EXCEPT for a franchise QB, Gruden parachutes in and takes Dungy's team plus a competent QB to Victory. Over his 13 years Tony only had 1 losing season.his first in TB – his teams averaged nearly 11 wins every year – think about that! As Jet fans we would be dancing in the streets! Do I want Tony to replace Rex? NO but my point is I would put Dungy on the top shelf because he had 2 totally different type teams (Bucks elite D) and (Colts elite O) playing excellent football for over a decade. Jet fans have NEVER seen anything close to that level of performance and consistency!
By Joe on Nov 9, 2012 | Reply
We just might be the GREATEST 3-5 TEAM IN NFL HISTORY (WHO CARES IF WE HAVE NOT BEAT a A TEAM WITH A WINNING RECORD IN 2 YEARS LOL )
By Joe on Nov 9, 2012 | Reply
For the thousandth time THE MOST IMPORTANT PERSON IN AN NFL ORG IS NOT A COACH BUT THE DIRECTER OR PLAYER PERSONAL .The NFL IS NOT YOUR LOCAL HS one coach really does not know more X AND OS than another -TALENT WINS SUPER BOWLS There MUST BE 20 COACHES that have won super bowls that got FIRED in their careers .Coaches like Billick,Gruden ,Seifort DIDNT FORGET HOW TO COACH THEY SIMPLY DIDNT HAVE THE PLAYER TALENT TO WORK WITH THAT THEY HAD PREVIOUSLY Belichicks regarded as the BEST COACH IN THE NFL because TOM BRADY FELL INTO HIS LAP How about we switch BRADY FOR SANCHEZ and we will see how they do then
By Joe on Nov 9, 2012 | Reply
AS far as TALENT ECT WINNING SUPER BOWLS ITS NO COINCIDENCE THAT 90% OF all SUPER BOWL WINNERS WERE QUARTERBACKED BY PRO BOWL PLAYERS
By ron alexander on Nov 10, 2012 | Reply
Guys, wOw! just got home & checked in to find may great posts.Mike Jet Vet, awsome post dude!Loved it! JETBLUE, your tear'n it up my man.Becoming a big fan as you are makeing a lot of sence. Cudos to you to BYRDMAN. I gotta go with you on the Dungy thing. Too many winning seasons plus two superbowl wins to dismiss as less than elite.I met Dungy in the Minnieapolis airport several years ago and he was nice a gentlman as anyone I have ever met. As I am 6-6 & about 255 lbs he sizes me up as a football player and we chatted for close to an hour as we awaited our fleights.he must have asked me a dozen questions about my football days, family and career. The guy is a real people person and we would be lucky to have him as a Jet coach.
By ron alexander on Nov 10, 2012 | Reply
JOE, Although there is certianly some validity to you arguments that coaches all have the same knowledge i think your missing some key points. Although the knowledge at this level is probably comparable, the ability to transmit that info to the coaching staff & of course the players is at least equally as important. There is a long list of failed coaches who had great football minds but could not successfully communicate their ideas. Another key area is organizational skill.Having the right people in the correct posisition to take advantage of their individual skill sets.A good example of the latter would be our reciever coach.Obviously he has not been able to this point to get out 2nd rd.pic to catch a freak'n pass!
By ron alexander on Nov 10, 2012 | Reply
JOE, bye the way, the Colts are now 6-3. Guess who beat the Colts ? And the Finns now have a winning record as well so we have now beaten two teams with winning records this year!
By Byrdman on Nov 10, 2012 | Reply
Joe (caps:) – It's a simplistic view of the NFL to state that the Director of Player Personnel is the single most important person to an NFL team. For example the Jets don't employ ONE individual with that responsibility they have a staff, many teams function this way. We all credit Tanny when Jets get a quality player in trade or draft and lambaste him when a pick is a bust. Is T-bomb a renegade, living in a bunker somewhere isolated from any contact or input from Bradway, his assistant Wooden, Ryan, Bauer (scouting director) Clearly not. Look at all the people in the draft war room – do all but Tanny have duct tape over their mouths? :D It's a consensus. Great Coaches beat better teams by exploiting favorable player match-ups and schemes
By Joe on Nov 10, 2012 | Reply
WRONG RON at the TIME WE PLAYED THEM the COLTS AND DOLPHINS DID NOT HAVE A WINNING RECORD. Ron maybe you have heard of the following coaches Noll ,Shula ,Seiffort ,Shannahon, Gruden, Bellick,Ewbank, ,Landry .Parcells. At ONE TIME OR ANOTHER all were on top of the FOOTBALL WORLD YET WENT OUT LOSING OR VICE VERSA .Ron PLEASE EXPLAIN HOW THIS HAPPENED (DID THEY FORGET HOT TO COACH ,COMMUNICATE ,ORGANIZE ECT )All last WINTER you told everyone of the benefits of changing the OC here (getting rid of Shotty )WHILE I SAID IT WOULD DO ABSOLUTIVELY POSITIVELY NOTHING AT ALL BECAUSE THERES NO TALENT HERE Ron( LOL )how did the above work out
By Joe on Nov 10, 2012 | Reply
Ron 20 of my buddys-ex roomates played in the Nfl (many were first -second rounders) or are head coaches at BIG TIME PROGRAMS (THE U )The one thing i learned from all of them was ITS A FANS FALLACY THAT AT THEIR LEVEL ONE COACH KNOWS MORE FOOTBALL THAN ANOTHER Nick Saben wins because HES ABLE TO RECRUIT ONE PARADE ALL AMERICAN AFTER ANOTHER not because he a better comunicater or knows more football than any other coach .AS I POSTED PREVIOUSLY HOW ABOUT WE SWITCH BRADY for SANCHEZ then lets see Bellichick coach communicate (whatever you call it )THE PATS INTO ANOTHER SB Lets the directer of player pers MISS ON A FEW DRAFTS (ESP AT QB )AND THE RESULTS SPEAK FOR THEMSELVES (SEIFORT ,GRUDEN,SHULA LAUNDRY NOLL ,PARCELLS ,BELLICK ,GIBBS )
By Joe on Nov 10, 2012 | Reply
RPS RON Both BELLICHICK and COUGHLIN (5 SB WINS BETWEEN THEM )WERE FIRED AS NFL COACHES PREVIOUSLY .Ron did both these guys SUDDENLY WAKE UP and learn more football and how to organize communicate better or DID THEIR PERSONAL DEPARTMENTS PROVIDE THEM WITH NUMERIOUS ALL PRO PLAYERS .Ron if your a historian of the game VIEW EX STEELER Andy Russels comments on Chuck Noll .The Steelers of the 70s could possibly be the best NFL TEAM EVER .Russell said NOLL was a fine coach BUT THATS NOT WHY THEY WON 4 SB IN 6 YEARS .They won because the scouting dept provided them with 75 plus YEARS OF PRO BOWL EXPERIANCE Russell= CHUCK OR NO CHUCK HOW COULD WE LOSE AS WE BASICALLY EVERY PLAYER ON THE TEAM PLAYED IN THE PRO BOWL AT ONE TIME OR ANOTHER
By ron alexander on Nov 12, 2012 | Reply
JETKEN, good job yourself. i think almost all of us here agree with most of what you said. The only thing i dont agree with is you are apparently willing to cut Tannenbaum more slack than the rest of us. If you get this today (Mon.) following the latest debacle(Seattle) go to "bleacher report' & see what they say. I dont always agree with them but they got it right today! Anyway, good job man.


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Murphys' Own Samuel Brauer Has Graduated From Naval Boot Camp. Now Pursuing Nuclear Power Training
Posted by: thepinetree on 11/24/2014 07:54 AM
Murphys, CA....21 year old Samuel Brauer Graduated from Navy Boot Camp at Naval Station Great Lakes / Recruit Training Command located in Great Lakes, IL on November 14, 2014. He has since been re-located to Naval Nuclear Power Training Command located near Charleston, SC where he will begin the next phase of his specialized training over the next 18 months...
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49er Moters Is Your Complete Hometown Dealership
Posted by: thepinetree on 11/24/2014 07:31 AM
The Outhouse Collection Holiday Open House Is November 24th & Benefiting Arnold Angels
Posted by: thepinetree on 11/21/2014 01:56 PM
Angels Camp, CA..Monday November 24th 10 am -8:30 pm. Come join us for some holiday cheer! Door prizes, food and drink featuring local Calaveras County products. Sales on holiday items. 10% of all sales will be donated to Arnold Angels, a local organization serving our community. The Outhouse Collection. Gifts, furniture, décor and more. 925 Highway 4 in Arnold
The Ebbetts Pass Visitor's Center Has Your Holiday Shopping Covered
Posted by: thepinetree on 11/23/2014 10:02 PM
Arnold, CA...See what Santa has in store for you this week at the Ebbetts Pass Visitors Center! Each week, a unique FREE poster ($10 value) can be yours with a purchase of $50 or more. Collect all 6 Poster!
FIRE NEWS....Possible Structure Fire Towards Jupiter
Posted by: Kim_Hamilton on 11/23/2014 09:41 PM
Twain Harte, CA...Emergency crews are responding to a possible structure fire at Jupiter Road and Italian Bar Road. Updates to follow as needed. Update 9:57pm: So sad to say....Fully involved structure. Updates to follow....
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Streets Reopen In Downtown Sonora & Press Conference Scheduled For 3pm
Posted by: thepinetree on 11/23/2014 02:07 PM
Sonora, CA....We would like to than Mike Shevlin for letting us know that the downtown traffic is now flowing freely again. The Tuolumne Country Sheriff's Dept has also released... There will be a press conference at the Tuolumne County Board of Supervisors Chambers today (Sunday) at 3 PM. Tuolumne County Sheriff James Mele and Sonora Police Department Chief Mark Stinson will speak regarding last nights incident....
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Small Treasures Holiday Show and Artists Reception
Posted by: Kim_Hamilton on 11/23/2014 11:39 AM
Mokelumne Hill, CA...Petroglyphe Gallery, in the heart of the historic Sierra Foothills community of Mokelumne Hill, is excited to announce the opening of their Small Treasures Show and reception. Petroglyphe is a museum-quality gallery with an amazing selection of fine art, jewelry, pottery and art gifts. Small Treasures features over 9 artists, from watercolor, acrylics and oils to abstracts and sculpture. Exhibiting small, affordable works for holiday shopping, the show opens on Saturday, November 29 and runs through January 11. Participating artists include: Cynthia Biles, Barbara Conley, Takayuki Harada, Dale Laitinen, Tracy Lewis, Howard Rees, Michael Severin, Mary Anderson and Lynn Slade....
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"A Christmas Carol"~A Classic Christmas Tradition in Murphys!
Posted by: Kim_Hamilton on 11/23/2014 11:35 AM
Murphys, CA...Murphys Creek Theatre celebrates this holiday classic November 28th through December 20th, Fridays and Saturdays 8pm and Sundays at 2. Opening is Friday after Thanksgiving! Book your tickets now to join our cast and crew on the stage for a Dickens of a party at the FIRST First Nighter celebration onstage after the show AND every Sunday bring an item to donate to the food bank and get ENTERED TO WIN A SEASON TICKET for 2015...
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AmeriCorps Returns to Protect Wilseyville Woodlands
Posted by: Kim_Hamilton on 11/23/2014 11:31 AM
Wilseyville, CA...A team of nine AmeriCorps National Civilian Conservation Corps (NCCC) members have returned to assist Camp Lodestar with fire prevention and infrastructure improvement from November 6 through December 19. Camp Lodestar has hosted retreat groups and wilderness classes for over 40 years. Dedicated to fostering appreciation for the environment of Calaveras County and providing a safe retreat space for visiting groups, the camp is an integral part of the Wilseyville community....
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Join Rob's Place for a 1950'a Christmas Party!
Posted by: Kim_Hamilton on 11/23/2014 11:27 AM
Be Sure to Get Your Thanksgiving Goodies at the Annual Mountain Playschool's Bake Sale!
Posted by: Kim_Hamilton on 11/23/2014 11:21 AM
Traffic Update...Vehicle Into The Guardrail On Hwy 49
Posted by: thepinetree on 11/23/2014 08:18 AM
Angels Camp, CA...Crews are working a non-injury accident where a vehicle has gone into the guardrail on Hwy 49 near Fourth Crossing. Lets be careful out there....
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Tuolumne Sheriff's Office Investigating Stabbing In Columbia
Posted by: thepinetree on 11/23/2014 07:47 AM
Columbia, CA...On 10/21/14 about 10:10 P.M. the Tuolumne County Sheriff's Office received a 911 call from a subject in the 22000 block of Gunsight Road, Columbia reporting his neighbor had come to his home asking for help as he had been stabbed. Deputies from the Tuolumne County Sheriff's Office responded to the scene and met with the victim, twenty seven year old, Adam Jimenez...
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Sonora Police Officer Hit, Suspect Killed & Citizen Injured In Exchange Of Gunfire After Traffic Pursuit
Posted by: thepinetree on 11/23/2014 07:30 AM
Sonora, CA... On 11/22/14 shortly after 10:00 P.M. the Sonora Police Department received a 911 call reporting a suspicious person with a handgun in the City of Sonora. The suspect left the scene and a vehicle description was obtained. A Sonora Police Officer attempted to stop the suspect vehicle, a pursuit ensued. The Sonora Police Officer was joined in the pursuit by units from the Tuolumne County Sheriff's Office. The suspect stopped his vehicle on Washington Street in downtown Sonora. The suspect exited his vehicle with a gun. Shots were fired at the scene and two Deputies from the Tuolumne County Sheriff's Office and at least one Officer from the Sonora Police Department engaged the suspect....
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The Calaveras Humane Society Presents "Paws and Claus" on November 23 & 29
Posted by: Kim_Hamilton on 11/11/2014 01:23 PM
Officer Involved Shooting In Sonora
Posted by: thepinetree on 11/22/2014 11:03 PM
Sonora, CA...There has been an officer involved shooting on downtown Sonora this evening. It sounds like much of the downtown area is being locked down at this time for investigations and incident follow up. More to follow as information is released....(Update...We hate to post raw scanner info as many times it is just that...raw data that invariably changes. However we feel comfortable in stating that there were multiple gunshots and more than one taken to SRMC for treatment and or transport to a trauma center. There have been multiple citizen reports of a fatality but nothing official has been released at this time.)
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Traffic Update.....Overturned Vehicle On Murphys Grade Road
Posted by: thepinetree on 11/22/2014 08:58 PM
Murphys, CA....Crews are working an overturned vehicle accident on Murphys Grade Road between Murphys and Angels Camp
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Angels Camp Entrepreneur Leverages Kickstarter!
Posted by: thepinetree on 11/22/2014 01:49 PM
Angels Camp, CA...Christine Abusaidi, a local entrepreneur, is taking her love of baking to the streets and to the screen. Sugar, traditional style boulangerie, will be the newest addition to the historic main street in Angels Camp and will be the first Angels Camp business in-part funded by leveraging the popular crowdsourced funding site Kickstarter...
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In Loving Memory of Gail L. Conrado
Posted by: Kim_Hamilton on 11/22/2014 12:44 PM
Gail L. Conrado entered into rest in Sonora, CA on November 19, 2014. She was a native of Calaveras County living in Melones when she was a child and lived in Angels Camp the rest of her Adult life. She worked as a switchboard operator for pacific bell in the Angels Camp phone office in Downtown Angels Camp....
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Help Support Bret Harte Student, Joe Dougherty, With His Senior Project
Posted by: Kim_Hamilton on 11/22/2014 11:59 AM
My name is Joe Dougherty and for my Senior project at Bret Harte High school I will be directing an exciting production of Little Shop of Horrors. I have been in productions since I was 12 and have fallen in love with the art of acting. We will be having auditions Monday November 24th , 6pm-8pm at Bret Harte in room 53. There is an age requirement of a high school student. Come prepared to sing a song or cold read, or .....
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Hwy 4 Road Work Schedule for Week of November 24th
Posted by: Kim_Hamilton on 11/22/2014 11:53 AM
Calaveras County, CA...Here is the work schedule for the Week of November 24 (No road work is scheduled for Thursday/Friday, November 27/28): ** Monday through Wednesday (November 24-26), crews will be paving driveways, striping and performing shoulder work throughout the project, from Main Street/Douglas Flat to Meko Drive.
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Sac a' Main Is Your One Stop Holiday Gift Headquarters!
Posted by: Kim_Hamilton on 11/22/2014 11:31 AM
The Clothes Mine Holiday Preview
Posted by: thepinetree on 11/22/2014 11:14 AM
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Make Plans To Shop For A Great Cause At Arnold Ace Home Center Nov 22
Posted by: thepinetree on 11/21/2014 08:33 AM
Attend The Annual Santa's Express Dinner and Dance This Eve!!~With a Brand New Auction Item This Year!
Posted by: Kim_Hamilton on 11/18/2014 08:42 AM
Do to to popular demand we have decided to open the doors to a limited number of people, first come first serve. We are so overwhelmed by this community and it's generosity we just can't bring ourselves to turn people away. So come with money in your wallet and dancing shoes on!!! We look forward to seeing you all this evening!
Fatal Structure Fire In Copperopolis Tonight
Posted by: thepinetree on 11/21/2014 10:40 PM
Copperopolis, CA....It has been a rough couple of days for the Copperopolis Community. Earlier tonight there was a structure fire where according to initial reports an elderly female did not make it out of a fully engulfed garage and dwelling. The fire was in the Copper Cove area on Pinion Street. We would like to thank Dick McCarty for the photos below. For all of us at ThePineTree.net our thoughts and prayers are with the families tonight... (Update...Because of the fatal nature of this fire the Calaveas County Sheriff's Dept is handling releasing additional information on this incident....
Copper Structure Photos By Dick McCarty
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Watch A Movie This Week At The Best Theatre in the Mother Lode...Angels Six Theatres!
Posted by: thepinetree on 11/21/2014 05:48 PM
Angels Camp, CA...Angels 6 Theatres in historic Angels Camp is the best place to see a movie in the Mother Lode. Click Below for full schedule.
Check Out the Latest Movies at Angels 6 Theatres Above!
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A Christmas to Remember
Posted by: Kim_Hamilton on 11/21/2014 02:52 PM
The CHP is Thankful for Safe Travels During the Thanksgiving Maximum Enforcement Period
Posted by: Kim_Hamilton on 11/21/2014 02:43 PM
Sacramento, CA...The extended Thanksgiving weekend is one of the busiest travel periods of the year. This raises the risk of a potentially serious or even deadly traffic collision. As families and friends gather for the holiday, the California Highway Patrol (CHP), along with the National Highway Traffic Safety Administration (NHTSA), wants to encourage travelers to always buckle up, avoid driving distracted, obey the posted speed limit, and never drink and drive.....
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CCAR Charities Presents Their Holiday Toy Drive
Posted by: thepinetree on 11/21/2014 01:12 PM
You Be Thankful For The Savings At 49er Motors Big Pre-Thanksgiving Sale
Posted by: thepinetree on 11/21/2014 12:36 PM
Angels Camp, CA...49er Motors pre- Thanksgiving super sale. We have lots of great vehicles to get you to your families for the holiday season. Come on down and see us today, we can finance most anyone as long as you have a down payment and an income source. Great Credit to terrible, we have options for you. All of our vehicles come with a 3 month 3,000 mile warranty for your piece of mind. Let us treat you like family today!!
2005 Chevy Malibu LT, V6, Auto, ABS, AC, power door locks, power windows, cd, power seat, leather, moon roof, premium wheels, very low miles only 71K! ONE OWNER!! LOOK at all the service records on carfax for this one!! ON SALE $7949 Vin# 1G1ZU548X5F258015
2005 Chrysler 300 Touring Sedan Limited Edition, V6, HO 3.5 Liter, Auto, ABS, AC, power windows, power door locks, mp3, power seat, leather, moon roof, premium wheels, 2 owner - clean carfax!! ON SALE $9949 Vin# 2C3JA53G85H500857
2009 Ford Edge SEL AWD, Auto, Clean Carfax, power windows, power door locks, automatic folding rear seats, traction control, panoramic moonroof, premium wheels, 6 disc MP3, sleek design, much more! ON SALE $13,949 VIN# 2FMDK48C89BA64053
2008 Hyundai Santa Fe AWD, Great SUV, Auto, power windows, power door locks, AC, ABS, extra clean, very reliable!! Clean Car fax! ON SALE $10,449 VIN # 5NMSG73D28H213328
2007 Mercury Mountaineer Premier AWD, V8, ONE OWNER, auto, leather, power heated seats, 3rd row, entertainment system, navigation, moon roof, alloy wheels, tow package, automatic running boards and just too much to list! White and like new condition!! ON SALE $12,949 Vin# 4m2eu48817uj15456
2007 TOYOTA FJ CRUISER 4x4, LOW MILES!! LIFTED! An old nameplate makes a comeback!! Superior off-road ability, comfortable and supportive front seats, retro styling that captures the spirit of the original. Automatic, VVT-i 4.0L V6, Roof rack, MP3, tinted windows, differential lock, tow package, premium black Procomp wheels and Offroad tires! Extra clean and only 73K miles!! ON SALE $19,949 VIN# JTEBU11FX70098367
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Jon Paul Carrero, 18 From Copperopolis Perishes & Darby's Injured In Hwy 4 Accident (Darbys Are Home And Ok)
Posted by: thepinetree on 11/21/2014 08:36 AM
Angels Camp, CA...On November 20, 2014 at approximately 1615 hours, an 18 year old Copperopolis man was traveling eastbound on SR-4 east of Stallion Way at an unknown speed. Darby was traveling westbound on SR-4 east of Stallion Way at a stated speed of 40-45 MPH. For an unknown reason, the young Copperopolis man lost control of his vehicle. His Dodge Stratus rotated sideways into the oncoming lane of traffic, directly into the path of Darby's vehicle. The front of their Buick collided with the right side of the Dodge. Both vehicles came to rest blocking the westbound lane of SR-4....
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"Ready to renew your NCGA membership and GHIN number? Golfers, join the Greenhorn Creek Men's Club now and start playing in weekly men's day and Men's Club events!"
Posted by: Kim_Hamilton on 11/11/2014 01:19 PM
President Obama's Address On Immigration
Posted by: thepinetree on 11/20/2014 11:57 PM
Washington, DC...:My fellow Americans, tonight, I'd like to talk with you about immigration. For more than 200 years, our tradition of welcoming immigrants from around the world has given us a tremendous advantage over other nations. It's kept us youthful, dynamic, and entrepreneurial. It has shaped our character as a people with limitless possibilities –- people not trapped by our past, but able to remake ourselves as we choose...
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Cakes, Catering & Cupcakes For All of Your Holiday Needs at Lila & Sage
Posted by: Kim_Hamilton on 11/20/2014 11:09 PM
Murphys to Markleeville – "The Schedule" – November 21 to November 29
Posted by: thepinetree on 11/20/2014 11:00 PM
Arnold, CA..."The Schedule" is published every Thursday by the Ebbetts Pass Visitors Center and includes everything happening from Murphys to Markleeville. For more detailed info visit The Schedule. Please come by and pick one up or contact the Visitors Center at
to have your event included in "The Schedule."
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Traffic Update...Rollover Accident On Murphys Grade Road & Vehicle Into Tree On Hwy 4
Posted by: thepinetree on 11/20/2014 08:38 PM
Angels Camp, CA...CHP is reporting a vehicle into a tree on Hwy 4 near Hunt Road and also a rollover accident on Murphys Grade Road near French Gulch. Let's be careful out there....
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Fatal Afternoon Crash On Hwy 4
Posted by: thepinetree on 11/20/2014 08:23 PM
Angels Camp, CA...On Hwy 4 this afternoon at 4:39pm loss of life was confirmed in an accident on Hwy just east of Stallion Way. We will pass along complete details as they are released....
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Pack-The-Patrol Car Turkey and Toy Drive!
Posted by: Kim_Hamilton on 11/20/2014 03:25 PM
San Andreas, CA...The California Highway Patrol and the Calaveras County Resource Connection are teaming up for a Pack-The-Patrol Car Turkey & Toy Drive. You too can participate in the event dedicated to feeding Calaveras County families in need this holiday season. The Calaveras County Food Bank is in desperate need of turkeys and all other food items. "We are planning on serving 900-1000 families and are in need of turkeys, hams, and all other holiday food items" stated Jeannie Hayward, Program Director for the Food Bank....
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Are You Missing Two Dogs?
Posted by: Kim_Hamilton on 11/20/2014 03:03 PM
Murphys, CA...We have a couple dogs that were running loose without collars near the highway at the nursery. Please call Mike Schmitz at Murphys Nursery
209 728 3220.
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Independence Hall Quilters Presents Their Christmas Boutique on November 30th~December 1st
Posted by: Kim_Hamilton on 11/20/2014 02:52 PM
Enjoy a FREE Thanksgiving Dinner at The Valley Springs Vet Hall
Posted by: Kim_Hamilton on 11/20/2014 02:41 PM
The Valley Springs Christmas Parade Is Coming Up on December 6th!...Still Time to Enter!
Posted by: Kim_Hamilton on 11/20/2014 02:35 PM
Valley Springs, CA....
Entry form Enclosed....
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These cordless illuminated decorations do not require an electric outlet, allowing you to place them anywhere indoors or outdoors. They are pre-strung with commercial white LED lights that cast a warm glow�all rated for 20,000 hours of use. The lights may be left on continuously, or set to stay on for six hours and automatically turn off for 18 hours. Lifelike Noble fir and pine branches are decorated with red berries and two styles of pinecones that add contrasting colors and shapes. Boughs, needles, and berries are made of a mix of weatherproof PE and PVC that provide realistic texture and color that will last for years. Each decoration requires two D batteries that provide 200 hours of continuous operation. With 30 lights. 28" L x 12" W. (11 3/4 lbs.)
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Looks Fantastic and is Reliable
By Terry
from Camp Hill, PA
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I have this item outside my home hanging on a lighting fixture by the garage. It looks wonderful both up close and from the roadway. The battery is reliable, as is the timer. Once set it comes on at the same time every day, remains on for six hours and then goes out for 18 hours. It would be nice if it could be on a little longer (8 hours) however, I love this item, and would recommend it all day long.
Bottom Line Yes, I would recommend this to a friend
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I can't wait until Christmas!
By Leny
from Maple Ridge, BC
It's even more beautiful than it looked in the picture! I wish the Christmas season were closer so that I could put it on my front door. The built in timer function will make it easy to use.
I will by this product again
By Fran
from Houston, TX
Very easy to hang and hung securely in place. Beautifully decorated.
I would buy this product any time
By Candy
from Monroe, NC
This product was used in the front entrance of our house. Our house sits on a small hill overlooking the roadway and is very visible to people that drive by. It is simplistic which makes it beautiful. Great for Christmas or even Thanksgiving and New Years Eve.
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ok, not exactly what we wanted
By shar
from hanover, pa
We ordered 4, but are only keeping one. Need to figure out how to return 3 at no cost to me if possible!
Hammacher Schlemmer Response: Should you ever find that an item doesn't perform to your satisfaction, our customer service team is available 24 hours a day at 1-800-321-1484 to assist you with returning it.
Awesome product!
By Yankee In Virginia
from Charlottesville, VA
I purchased two of these teardrop swags for the front of my home. They looked so nice that I went back and bought the coordinating wreath for the front door as well! Love the timer feature, and the batteries eliminate the ugly cords. I would highly recommend this product.
I would recommend this product
By Farm girl
from Phoenix AZ
Hung them each side of garage door.
Buy it, it's worth it!!
By Me
from Santa Fe, Texas
Looks great on our front porch. I love having the timer come on every evening!
Not so great
By c. Shell
from naples, fl
Nice try but this won't hang straight and won't bend so it can hang straight. Its almost like it curves under its own weight when hung?!
Bottom Line No, I would not recommend this to a friend
By Catalog Shopper
from Edison, NJ
It looked as if these swags had bare patches of light or the lights were unevenly dispersed.
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NATIONAL JOINT COMMITTEE FOR SPANISH RELIEF Chairman: THE DUCHESS OF ATHOLL, M.P. Vice-Chairmen: THE EARL OF LISTOWEL, MISS ELEANOR RATHBONE, M.P. Hon. Secretaries: MR. D.R. GRENFELL, M.P., CAPT. J.R.J. MACNAMARA, M.P., MR. WILFRID ROBERTS, M.P., 53 Marsham Street, S.W.1. Telephone: Victoria 2168. Organising Secretary: MRS. MARY. M. MILLER. Co-operating Societies: The Service Council of The Society of Friends, The Save the Children Fund, The Spanish Medical Aid Committee, The Scottish Ambulance Unit. The Spanish Women's Committee for Help to Spain, The Spanish Youth Foodship Committee, The Christian Foodship Committee, The Southern Spanish Relief Committee. BULLETIN No. 8. JULY 1937. Price 1d. Now that we are established in our new office and the volume of our work appears to grow daily, we have decided to publish the bulletin monthly. Since we distributed over 10,000 of the last number we suggest that a charge of 1d. now be made for those copies which have been given away at meetings. If you would like to receive future numbers, please send 6d. as your subscription for the next six months. We are glad to announce that the Christian Food-ship Committee are going to co-operate with the National Joint Committee. THE BASQUE CHILDREN The Camp at North Stoneham, near Southampton, has now been greatly reduced in number and we hope that the 670 children who remain will shortly all be placed in the Homes to which they have been allocated. The health and spirits of the children is very satisfactory. We may congratulate ourselves on the fact that an epidemic of typhoid which might have resulted from the six cases which came from Bilbao has not in fact taken place. We owe a deep debt of gratitude to the camp medical staff who prevented the spread of infection in conditions which seemed favourable for it. The children were all inoculated twice, the anti-typhoid vaccine was promptly secured with the help of the Spanish Medical Aid Committee. We regret, however, to have to announce the death of one child, Dolores Ugarte, from galloping consumption. She had been treated in University College Hospital and no expense had been spared to save her life. At a meeting of the Basque Children's Committee held on July 7th, the following statement was unanimously agreed: "The Committee has already made it clear that it is acting as the temporary guardian of the refugee children on behalf of their parents, and that the children will be reunited with them at as early a date as may prove possible. In the meantime, the general position is being carefully watched. In view, however, of the unsettled conditions still existing in Spain and generally, the Committee feel that the time has not yet arrived when detailed plans for the children's repatriation can be contemplated. The Committee would remind those interested in this country that the children were offered a haven here from war conditions. Until their parents are in a position to take them back under conditions of safety, the Committee feels it their duty to continue to offer them refuge. They appeal to the generosity of the British public to help them with this responsibility." Two requests from parents of children in Spain have been received by the Committee. One child, Caridad Orariaga, has been repatriated to Vigo to her father at his expense. The other request is being investigated. A few requests have been received from relatives of children in France which are also being considered. HOMES FOR THE CHILDREN The following is a complete list of Homes where the children have been sent and their numbers : Roman Catholic Homes and Institutions have taken about 1,200, at Freshwater, Isle of Wight (114), Southall (100), Southampton (34), Honiton, Devon (46), Honor Oak, London (60), Bury, Lancs. (21), Manchester (65), Liverpool (170), Preston (50), Lancaster (10), Wigton (35), Darlington, Newcastle, Hammersmith. Four hundred children are under the care of the Salvation Army, 350 at Clapton and Brixton, and 50 in Hadleigh Farm Colony, Suffolk. Centres where local Committees are makinq themselves responsible for groups are Leicester (50), Birkenhead (60), Wakefield (65), Barnet (40), Swansea (80), Walsall (50), Tunbridge Wells (60), Worthing (60), Woolwich — Royal Arsenal Co-operative Society Home (18), Ipswich (50), Colchester — Peace Pledge Union Home (50), Brampton, Cumberland (100), Blackboys, Sussex (20), Hurstmonceux (12), Street — Independent Labour Party Home (40), Cambridge (30), Witney (40), Birmingham — Society of Friends Home (40), Manchester (40), Derby (50), Newbury (100), Barnes (40),
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|Archives of the Trades Union Congress
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|Basque Children's Committee: Minutes and Documents 1937-1939
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|Document title
|Bulletin. No. 8
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|National Joint Committee for Spanish Relief
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|July 1937
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