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- Studio: Warner Bros. Pictures
- Release Date: Apr 12, 2013
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Apr 14, 201342. The biopic of Jackie Robinson. The story, while inspirational, seems like that was all it was. Now, this isn't necessarily the fault of the Director and Writer or anybody else involved with making this movie, but biopics are always set up to fail, whether it be the greatest biopic ever made, or the worst. They're all set to fail. But only the strong survive. This, however, wasn't strong. Ignoring the fact that throughout the entire duration of this movie, I felt like I was watching a TV movie, the story was a generic fallacy, which only covered a part of the legacy Jackie Robinson left behind. To get with the times, you must remember that back when Jackie Robinson was just starting with the, then Brooklyn Dodgers in 1947, whites hated blacks. And if was a white sport, nobody wanted to do any business with blacks. Well, I get it. Those were the times, but it was the same ole generic response with the white folk is period movies like this, "I hate blacks!" or N****** ruin everything!" something of that tone. The tone of the movie felt bland and I wasn't emotionally invested into the movie as I should have. It was heavily corny at times, and wasn't as inspirational as the actual movie was. Disappointment was what I felt leaving that theater. Because a great, inspirational man's legacy was made a mockery of with this movie.… Expand
May 16, 2013The Bottom Line
A too self-consciously inspiring rendition of Jackie Robinson's genuinely inspiring accomplishment of breaking baseball's color barrier.
Chadwick Boseman and Harrison Ford provide engaging performances as Jackie Robinson and Brooklyn Dodgers general manager Branch Rickey in the Legendary/Warner Bros. drama about the man who broke MLB's color line. Pretty when it should be gritty and grandiosely noble instead of just telling it like it was, 42 needlessly trumps up but still can't entirely spoil one of the great American 20th century true-life stories, the breaking of major league baseball's color line by Jackie Robinson. Whether in the deep South or the streets of Brooklyn, life here looks spiffy and well-scrubbed enough to appear in a department store window, while the soaring musical accompaniment seems to be stamping all the protagonists' passports for immediate admission to that great ballpark in the sky. All the same, lead actors Chadwick Boseman and Harrison Ford cut through the artifice with engaging performances as Robinson and Brooklyn Dodgers general manager Branch Rickey, respectively, and audiences who don't know much about the first black man to play professional baseball will be suitably impressed. Hit-starved Warner Bros. should be able to stir moderately good attendance domestically, although foreign prospects, as always with baseball yarns, are slight. The key scene in 42, just as it was in the low-budget 1950 The Jackie Robinson Story, which starred the ballplayer himself, comes when Rickey, warning his prospect about the abuse that inevitably awaits him, demands to know if he's "got enough guts not to fight back" when provoked by other players or fans. Robinson was not the best player in the Negro Leagues, but he was reckoned to be the one who might best withstand the trial by fire posed by teammates who didn't want to play with him and a society that often wouldn't allow him to travel, eat or lodge with the rest of the team. Needing a manageable window through which to dramatize a sports breakthrough fraught with racial, social, political and attitudinal meaning, this pet project of writer-director Brian Helgeland and producer Thomas Tull zeroes in on the years 1945-47, concluding with Robinson's first year in the majors. Although there is quick mention of a sports career at UCLA (which, the film does not note, had the most integrated sports program of any school in the U.S. at the time) and a quick temper that earned him an Army court-martial, the 26-year-old member of the American Negro League Kansas City Monarchs seems like the picture of rectitude, a well-spoken young man with a lovely wife-to-be, Rachel (Nicole Beharie), and none of the wild traits of some of his teammates. As one of the last century's most inspiring and literally game-changing personal sagas, Jackie Robinson's life can hardly help but be stirring and will no doubt impress many younger viewers, some of whom may be completely unfamiliar with his story. It's just too bad that Helgeland can't go for broke and get his uniform as dirty as Jackie Robinson used to do.… Expand
Apr 12, 2013"42", as mosr of us know, were the numerals on the back of the uniform worn by Jackie Robinson, the first African-American to be signed to play on a major league baseball team. It is also the title of the film starring Chadwick Boseman and Harrison Ford relating the story of this dynamic ball player from his start with the Kansas City Monarchs through the Montreal Royals until finally, in 1947, signing with the Brooklyn Dodgers and becoming its starting first baseman that season. This is a movie, unlike Django Unchained, which tells the plight, courage and fortitude of one member of a minority and what it took for him to succeed and to become a lone black player amidst major leagues 399 whites. The film, written and directed by Brian Helgeland ("Mystic River", "Blood Work", "A Knight's Tale") holds the viewer's interest and attention for all of the 128 minutes of its running time and keeps us involved throughout. For this writer the film was especially meaningful for I lived in the Borough during the time in which this all took place and, as a young boy, I watched from the Ebbett's Field bleachers the players on the field as they interacted with this new entry into the ballgame. Jackie Robinson, a four star athlete from UCLA and a commissioned Army officer (court martialed for refusing to move to the back of a bus) was the perfect man to, at 26, enter upon the road to ending the bigotry that was, after all, so much a part of America's favorite sport at the time. Just as we today cannot imagine women not being able to vote 100 years ago, so difficult is it for us to understand what racism was in the 50's and how shameful a legacy it left. If there is any difficulty with the film, it is trying to depict its hero.as recognizable but without it being a trite impersonation. Mr. Boseman is not a Robinson look alike yet there are certain times, stances and camera shots that make his portrayal quite believable. Harrison Ford, as Branch Rickey, the managing partner of the group that owned the Dodgers, is a fine addition to the film. Never too overly sentimental, the film does have its "Hollywood moments" but they are few and far between. Suffice it to say that the women and non-baseball fans in the audience seemed to enjoy the film as much or more than the rest of us. I give this film an 8 and recommend that it be seen by all who have a taste for history and/or a strong liking for baseball. More than anything else it is the story of adversity and how it was met head on by a strong willed and extraordinarily self-controlled individual. The story of this man and who he was can best be summarized by quoting the writer Bob Considine when he wrote "Jackie Robinson was a credit to his race….the human race."… Expand
Oct 9, 2013It's extremely difficult to put Jackie Robinson's legacy into its proper perspective and for the most part 42 doesn't really try. Instead it is content to be a glossy, feel good sports story. If you can accept that, you'll find the film to be a genuinely entertaining and well acted biopic that tells an important story albeit in a less than urgent manner.
Apr 28, 2013I grew up a Brooklyn Dodger fan. I saw Jackie Robinson play but had no idea about the trials and tribulations being the first black man in baseball. I just loved him as a ballplayer. I guess growing up in NYC, the melting pot of the world, we really didn't know about racism. As time went by I did come to understand the great sacrifices he made and the greatness of the man. He is so deserving of his number being retired. If memory serves me correctly Leo Durocher was suspended for being associated with known gamblers, not women? It was Gene Hermanski, not Pee Wee Reese, whom said all the Dodgers should wear number 42. And as inconceivable as it seems, it was Branch Rickey who said you should trade a ballplayer a year too soon rather than a year too late. He traded Jackie to the hated NY Giants in 1956 8 years after he broke the color barrier in 1948. And Jackie hated the NY Giants so much he retired rather than ever wear any other uniform but for his beloved Brooklyn Dodgers. Jackie then went to work for Chock Full Of Nuts Coffee and became an executive. His widow Rachel is one of the classiest ladies ever! I just wished they had delved more into Jackie & Rachel as people as I so admire both of them.… Expand
Apr 13, 2013'42' is no 'Remember the Titans', an absolutely fantastic movie. I was hoping this one would be just as moving. But alas this film simply doesn't get it done because the story of Robinson is compelling. There really are only a couple of scenes that provide an insight into what Robinson was feeling. Overall the movie makes it seem as if Robinson is somewhat apathetic or at times even dismissive of his situation/importance and that his family was not affected much by the rampant racism of the time (which for the most part was heavily washed over in this film for some odd reason). I wish they would have focused more on the man and internal struggles of Robinson rather than the sport he played.… Expand
Jun 3, 2013its an interesting drama about how people can the way things are. i really liked it, good actors and good storyline. it is incredible how things have changed in such a short period of time.
May 18, 2013First: A great story, and told without sugar coating, and with simplicity. Harrison Ford imitated Branch Rickey perfectly; his makeup crew deserves an Oscar. I'm not sure that a perfect imitation is also fine acting, but it worked.
My one problem with it was its pace. It often dragged and dragged, spending too much time and effort on simple matters. The worst example: I found the endless final home run rounding-the-bases in superslow motion to be embarrassingly trite, so ponderous that I found myself literally groaning aloud, thinking, "I got it, I got it already. When will this end?"
I have no idea what could have been included to fill the time. If there is nothing more to say, just stop.… Expand
Feb 6, 2014A straight-up biopic, but if you like baseball, you'll enjoy it. African-American ballplayers had some harrowing experiences in the early years, and the way Robinson (and others, such as Hank Aaron) coped with the pressure is very moving.
Apr 20, 2013I've been waiting anxiously to see this film. Very well made and acted. My only complaint, I would have liked to see a larger emphasis on the amazing baseball exploits of #42. As a latecomer to baseball fandom I recently invested the 1,140 minutes to watch Ken Burns masterpiece "Baseball". The theme of which is really the story of America as told through the prism of our national pastime. Unless you're an aging Baby Boomer you likely don't have any memory of the type of overt racism that tainted our country up through the 1960's. Jackie Robinson and Branch Rickey are largely responsible for changing public attitudes that have brought us out of the dark days of Jim Crow. Maybe this film can usher in a fresh sentiment of tolerance between our increasingly divided country.… Expand
Jun 4, 2013"42 is a mesmerizing, heartfelt and emotional film that highlights a true legend in his glory days, Its a roaring crowd pleaser. Played flawlessly by Chadwick Bosemen. 42 is one of the best Baseball films i have ever had the pleasure of seeing."
Apr 19, 2013Sure, this is the story of Jackie Robinson's signing with the Brooklyn Dodgers, but it's equal parts about the owner who fought for the deal, played by Harrison Ford. He turns himself into an overstuffed, gravelly character that's one of his best performances, but all of them are solid (Nicole Beharie, as Jackie's wife, is particularly captivating). With the exception an early scene, this film is relentlessly serious. Of course, the subject is serious, but some relief for contrast might have made the dramatic struggle more effective. It's earnest in it's efforts to be inspirational and sometimes succeeds. More often, you can see the wheels turning. The period art direction is attractive. Overall, it tells an important history lesson in a mildly absorbing way.… Expand
Apr 12, 2013No need to be a sport fan to enjoy this remarkable movie. An excellent movie on many levels. Good acting, action, story line, and even some comedy. The story was 57 years to finally come to light and right a terrible wrong. Great family entertainment. Harrison Ford may receive a Oscar nomination.
Aug 10, 2013Everyone knows that Jackie Robinson was the man who broke Major League Baseball's color barrier in 1947, but few know why he was the one that was chosen. Robinson wasn't the best black player out there, he wasn't even a superstar, what he was, was well educated and understood that people attacked him out of fear and ignorance. He never took it personally and knew fighting back would accomplish nothing, and against all odds, no matter what was thrown at him, Robinson was able to brush it off. In 42, he's portrayed by newcomer Chadwick Boseman, who wasn't just fantastic, but also gracious for the opportunity to portray a true American hero. I am a big Jackie Robinson fan and through everything I've seen, Boseman has given the most clear and accurate portrayal of the man to date. His co-star is Harrison Ford, playing the legendary Branch Ricky. Throughout his life, Ricky was outspoken against segregation and didn't just help in breaking baseball's color barrier, eight years later, he broke the Latino barrier as well. What I love about Harrison Ford is that he's so predictable, you know you will always get a tremendous performance out of him and that he will go to extreme lengths to be as real to the story as possible. This film was outstanding, from top to bottom, but my one knock on 42 is that it didn't go beyond the 1947 season. Robinson played for nine years after that and was a key member of the civil rights movement after baseball. I would have liked to have seen how in 1955, at age 36, he led the Dodgers to their only championship in Brooklyn, with an improbably steal of home against the Yankees. I also would have liked to have seen how he became the first black broadcaster, or how he marched with Dr. King in Washington. 42 is one of the clearest, most accurate depiction of two years in the life of Jackie Robinson, and while it was terrific, I would have like to have seen them take it a step further.… Expand
Nov 22, 201342, based on the life of Jackie Robinson, still makes for a good story, even if you've heard it before. Although it is a good film, it likely won't be on the list of the year's best because after Harrison Ford, who delivers a great performance, there aren't any other worthy ones here.
Apr 17, 201342 is one of the greatest true-life stories ever put onscreen, the story of Jackie Robinson, the African-American baseball player who helped pioneer the entrance of other blacks into participation in major sports. And this film really emphasizes the abuse and the struggle Jackie had to endure, with every slur almost making you cringe, because here is represented one of the great American heroes. Chadwick Boseman really personifies the legend, and give Harrison Ford an Oscar for turning in one of his best performances in years.… Expand
Sep 27, 2013This movie by far is the best movie I have ever seen this year and probably for the past few years. This should be an Oscar winning movie. Great acting all the way to the home plate. This is a must see movie. BTW, I'm a white male and very few movies bring me to tears but this one did more than once.
May 4, 201342 has a rushed beginning, sappy middle and a safe ending. The movie seem to focus too much on the negative impacts of the man, then what he accomplished. 42 takes the amazing story of an amazing man and turns it into a feel good TV movie.
May 10, 2013"42" like Spielberg's "Lincoln," is more about a specific moment in a person's life than his entire life. In this case, this movie is about how Jackie Robinson broke the color barrier in professional baseball. The story is about persistence and keeping a cool head through all the torment and backlash of fighting for what you believe in. At the end of the day, it is a movie about overcoming adversity. A type of movie that I tend to favor and for some reason really attracted to and this film is no exception. It is fairly inspiring and a story worth telling.
The writing in the film is strong and inspiring, but fairly on the surface. The script rarely goes deeper into the issue of racism, but the parts that do transcends the movie to another level. Inspiring speeches are filled in the script and really make you believe in the character and what they fought for. While the script can be a bit "iffy," the direction is spot on. Director Brian Helgeland, who also wrote the script, put a lot of attention to capturing the era and highlighting the importance of what Jackie Robinson did. Baseball games are well shot and really gives a feel of being their and watching the game live. Even though we know how things play out, we are always guessing and hoping for things to come. The film is well shot and it also has a really nice look that really captures the era in which the movie is set.
Actors do a great job of playing their respective historical character. Everyone one brings their "A" game. From the previews, I thought this would have been the movie that would have gotten Harrison Ford his second Oscar nomination, but sadly his performance doesn't reach greatness. However, he is still incredibly good and gives his best performance in years. The true star of this film is Jackie Robinson and just like him his actor is who really shines. Chadwick Boseman gives a great and reserved performance. We see his anger build in his eyes, but he never shows it on his face or body. It takes incredible skill to give such a compelling performance.
Overall, "42" is a really good movie and the best film I've seen all year. The story, while a bit on the surface, is well told and inspiring. Directing, camera work, and look are all top notch and really capture the spirit, both good and bad, of an era. However, the true highlights of the film are the performances by the cast. They portray their characters well, but the star of the film is Chadwick, who owns every scene he is in. I give it 4.5/5, a crowd pleaser that has depth and important story to tell.… Expand
Jan 5, 2014The movie is harmless and never takes any risks or does anything memorable. It is a straightforward biopic that doesn't really dig deep into Jackie Robinson as a person.
May 31, 2013Sometimes a film gets everything right. This film escapes every pitfall--easy inspirationalism, cheesy comic relief, melodrama. Harrison Ford has made the transition from hero to codger successfully; Christopher Melloni is a perfect Durocher, and the leads are terrific. I found it all irresistible.
Apr 22, 2013Full disclosures: 1) I am not a baseball fan 2) I am not a Harrison Ford fan 3) I am not a 'Hollywood biography' fan and 4) because of the latter, I take 'based on a true story' with more than a grain of salt. Okay, now that I got that out of the way let me say GO SEE "42"!
More than a baseball story this is about love between a man and woman, two men with tremendous courage and how one man can make a difference. This is a story of Jackie Robinson (Chadwick Boseman, in a breakout role) who became the first major league black baseball player. It is about a man, Branch Rickey (Harrison Ford) who picked Robinson to do just that and backed him all the way just as his wife, Rachel Robinson, (Nicole Beharie) did.
Thanks to the screenwriter and director, Brian Helgeland, you are taken on a roller coaster ride of sweet moments, comedy and anger while cringing at some of the true language many whites used against blacks and why Robinson was the man Rickey picked because he knew the former had the guts not to fight back. He shows, in only one scene, how it ate at him. Besides the language Robinson was hit by baseballs, had his foot stomped on by an opposing player and wasn't wanted by most of the other players on his team.
Harrison Ford shows he is more than just a 'pretty face' or action star. He disappears into the role of the Brooklyn Dodgers general manager completely and shouldn't be forgotten at award time. Boseman and Beharie have great chemistry between them and the former, as the baseball player, shows how he drove the other teams pitchers and catchers crazy as he 'danced' in between bases either by stealing them or catching the others so off guard they dropped the ball or threw it wrong. More important Boseman shows the intelligence of the man inside the player and what he faced.
There is a big supporting cast without a weak link. One of the funniest scenes in a movie in a long time, which could have gone awry, is when pitcher Ralph Branca (Hamish Linklater) wants to know why Robinson won't shower with the rest of the team and it dawns on him that what he is saying could be taken the wrong way. Christopher Meloni effective, as Leo Durocher, is out of the film too soon. Lucas Black as shortstop Pee Wee Reese as the first player to embrace Robinson on the field touches you just as the language and taunts yelled at Robinson in public by the manager Ben Chapman (Alan Tudyk) of another team will make you gasp and/or cringe. T. R. Knight is strong as Rickey's assistant as is Andre Holland as Wendell Smith the first black sportswriter to be accepted in the SportswritersAssociation. John C. McGinley is Red Barber who is a legend, even today, as a radio announcer for the Dodgers.
"42" takes place during 1945 to 1947. I was about 10 years old and don't really remember all of this though I did root for the Yankees against the Dodgers. This is a film that should be seen by all generations and especially the kids of today. Whether Jackie Robinson was as completely as 'good' a man as writer/director Helgeland makes him to be or the too pretty film isn't as gritty in appearance as it should be one must realize that this is a 'Hollywood biography' but it will get you cheering and some will even applaud as the closing credits show what happened to most of the people pictured.
THIS IS A MUST SEE FILM!… Expand
Apr 20, 2013Schmaltzy baseball movie about a player enduring unbearable adversity to be much more than anyone could expect. Add to that the fact that it is true and you have a movie tailor made for me to love. So why didn't I? The easy answer is they white washed the story, and I think they did to a point. However this story was white washed long before it hit the big screen, and there is a valid reason for that. You will not find anyone in his family or that played with him that will not say that Robinson was not only a great ballplayer but a great person. A player who had every reason to fight, to be filled with venom, to give up. Robinson did none of these things even though no one would have blamed him if he did. That character prevails throughout 42 and is not the reason I would condemn this film.
The problem with 42 is most of it does not feel authentic, although it does have some authentic moments. There are some scenes involving children that are especially problematic and will no doubt be greeted by most viewers with an eye roll. Robinson's teammates and wife are all painted with broad strokes and consequently we never get a realistic impression of their relationships. 42 also fails to give us a realistic look at racism. The racism either seems to be present in a character in its worst form or not there at all. It seems odd to use a word like nuance when talking about racism but I feel that is exactly what is missing from most of the conflict in 42.
One relationship that 42 does well, and what saves it from being a total disaster is Robinson and Rickey. Ford is great as Rickey and Boseman is no slouch as Robinson which doesn't hurt. Their relationship is the only one given a true arc and their scenes together are the best in the film by far. Listening to Rickey talk about the abhorrent situations that Robinson endured is a far more emotional experience then anything we get to see in other scenes. As depicted in the film Rickey seemed to understand the difference between having empathy for Robinson and having sympathy, where other characters did not. This made him and Robinson the driving force behind everything that felt authentic in 42.
I would be remiss if I did not give some credit to John McGinley when talking about 42. He portrays Red Barber, the Dodgers announcer during this period, and is a true stand out in a very limited role. His voice and cadence were perfect and really added to my enjoyment of the baseball sequences.
42 is a flawed, but not fatally flawed film. It is a mixed bag that I think many people will really respond to. If your a baseball fan it is worth your time.… Expand
Jun 25, 2013This was a good film considering it was a biopic of a sports figure. Not many movies are good in this genre-or even decent. Often contrived and/or the acting is too horrible to watch. This had some of both but not too much to make it unwatchable. Further, I learned things I didn't know about the man. However I think many of the things he probably he had to endure are not a part of this film.
Apr 20, 2013This review contains spoilers, click expand to view. This was a truly awkward movie. Before I get to the negatives, the color design of 42 was incredibly interesting. There was a certain dusty quality to the air that made the deep brooklyn dodger blue, and bright green grass absolutely gorgeous. It felt like it captured both the style of a dirtier, scrappier era of baseball, while also conveying the wonderful larger-than-life quality of Robinson.
Now for the ugly truth. The script was the heart of the mess of 42. The film feels more like a set of connected events, than a story. It stays surface-level, merely focusing on the plot, as opposed to digging deeper and getting at the real man who faced real, terrible prejudice. While still staying surface-level, characters would openly converse about their deep troubles, which came across as fake. As did the entirety of Mr Mrs Robinson's relationship, for some reason. Couple scenes that seemed misplaced, with campy dialogue, and you had a movie that felt lost. I mean, at the end of it, do we really feel like we know the story of Jackie Robinson? Who he was, or why he's an American Legend? Kind of...but not really.
I think 42 is a surface-level retelling of Jackie Robinson's first 2 years in white baseball, that ultimately fails to structure itself in a way that feels fleshed out, and compelling. The lack of direction ultimately leads the film to feel pretty shallow, and easy to forget.… Expand
Nov 26, 201342 was ok, but nothing more. Chadwick Boseman did great as Jackie Robinson, but other than that, I think the acting left a lot to be desired as did the character development. Of course, Jackie should be the focus, but I didn't even know the names of some of the supporting characters until the end. In addition, the directing was not that great and did not feel like a feature film. However, despite those negatives, I did enjoy 42 and thought it was an interesting look at Robinson's struggles.… Expand
Aug 25, 2013I really enjoyed this movie. Harrison Ford is wonderful as Richy and all actors do a very credible job. I also learned a lot about Jackie Robinson and his life in baseball. It was a very entertaining story. Enjoy.
Jul 14, 2014This is a good movie. It teaches you a lot of lessons. For me as a half-African American this mobie taught me that you do not let racism put you do and corrupt your future plans. Also thaf you should not judged by the cor of your skin. I like Jackie Robinson in the movie becaise I get to see how he struggled in that time frame just because of his race.
Feb 10, 2014I thought this would go to the top of the sports movies, but I have to say I was wrong. It`s great cause it`s a true story, but it lacked what other great sport movies have.I did like Harrison Ford, and the movie was good overall, but nothing great.I agree with people who say it had a TV movie feeling.
Apr 14, 2013Earnest, informative, and featuring Harrison Ford's best performance in years, Brian Helgeland's "42" succeeds as a noteworthy chronicle of the achievements of one of Baseball's biggest and best names.
Apr 29, 2013Hey, you know that trap of cheesiness into which sports films usually fall? Well 42 isn't in there because it is made out of cheese. 42 never left a lasting impression such as "Yeah, I would certainly want to see that again". Instead, it's basically a high school play with no depth. Granted, the actual baseball in the movie is done well, even though it constitutes a third of the movie overall. The rest of it is Jackie and racism. That's it. Racism, racism, racism. Yes, it was an issue at that time frame, but the movie beats the horse to death with another dead horse. The characters seem to be cardboard cut outs of stereotypical 40s characters, complete with really REALLY cheesy dialogue. I thought I tasted cheddar in my mouth as the little boy said "Dear Lord, please let Jackie show what he can do". I couldn't get the taste out until I hit the restroom.… Collapse
Jul 6, 2013"42" is warm-hearted and a respectable film, but it doesn't enrich or heighten Jackie Robinson's legacy. Jackie Robinson is arguably the single most important sports figure of the 20th century. Robinson's story is historically extraordinary and utterly captivating. In sharing Robinson's inspirational story, some risks could have been taken in the approach to film making as well. Regrettably, you can't shake the feeling that writer/director Brian Helgeland is playing it safe, and not swinging for the fences.
"42" tells the story of how Jackie Robinson broke the Major League color barrier in 1947, becoming the first black player to appear in a Major League baseball game since 1884. In 1946, Jackie Robinson (Chadwick Boseman) is a Negro League baseball player who never takes racism lying down. Branch Rickey (Harrison Ford) is a Major League team executive with a bold idea. Rickey recruits Robinson to break the unspoken color line as the first modern African American Major League baseball player. As both anticipate, this proves a pivotal challenge for Robinson and his family as they endure unrelenting racist hostility on and off the field, from player and fan alike. As Jackie struggles against his nature to endure such abuse without complaint, he finds allies and hope where he least expects it.
The performances are generally solid and highly believable. For his first major theatrical role, Chadwick Boseman turns in an impressive performance, and quite possibly the highlight of the film. While Robinson's story is worthy of the utmost respect and admiration, Helgeland plainly illustrates that in film making even a great man's life can get a bit bland. "42" effectively tells of Robinson's year in the minors and his first season with the Brooklyn Dodgers, while not doing a very good job of capturing Robinson's personality. He's portrayed more as a historical icon than a fully developed character. "42" feels like an overly sincere history lesson more so than a biography, but it's a history lesson of which we regularly need to be reminded.… Expand
Apr 26, 2013Thanks to some absolutely poor writing by Brian Helgeland, 42 takes the amazing story of an amazing man and turns it into a feel-good made-for-tv movie. I wanted so badly to like this movie, but with Harrison Ford's seemingly forced acting as Branch Rickey as well as disconnected scene after disconnected scene we're left with a movie that feels rushed and doesn't entirely flesh out the incredible journey of Jackie Robinson to become one of the biggest icons in baseball as well as Civil Rights history.
In fact, the only redeeming quality about this movie is the stellar, and perhaps even award-worthy, performance by Chadwick Boseman who, along with having an awesome name, gives us a compelling portrayal of Jackie and connects with the audience from the minute he first graces the screen.
While I can't say I hated the movie, I can't recommend it either. The ending (spoiler free) was terrible and brought a sense that the director simply didn't have time to come up with something better which... considering this is based on a true story... is ridiculous.
Furthermore, Helgeland apparently seems to forget the rules of the game which this movie is centered on when Jackie's home run against Pittsburgh is declared "A walk-off winner" for the Dodgers by their radio commentator even though they're the visiting team and would therefore be unable to win a game in walk-off fashion. It's little details like this that further take away from what could have been a truly great movie.… Expand
Aug 16, 201342 really accurately represents Jackie Robinson's life and what he had to go through.
With amazing acting from all of the actors, especially Harrison Ford. The acting is so amazing it really makes you hate the racist coaches and players and the movie ends up touching your heart. although the movie can be slow at sometimes, when you're walking out of the theatre, you don't regret going a bit.
Jun 17, 2013A well put together film that takes a look at the great Jackie Robinson. Chadwick Boseman gives a great performance and so doesn't Harrison Ford. The film has a few flaws with character development, but overall the film captures the hate and cruelty along with one man's inspiring influence on the youth at that time.
Apr 12, 2013I honestly thought that it was going to be some boring biopic, but boy was I wrong. It was really an engaging and heart felt story on racism and being accepted. It also had some great acting, especially from Chadwick Boseman. He really gives an unexpectedly terrific performance. Plus the storytelling is great and keeps you interested. This is a great movie that helps kick off a year of potentially great movies. Overall, this is one great biopic of an American legend.… Expand
Apr 14, 2013Sports related movies can be terribly predictable you know the type. "Win one for the Gipper", worst team on the planet suddenly can beat the St. Louis Cardinals, etc. thanks to a star player who goes down right before the big game, ad nauseum. "42" is a true story of triumph and the struggle for human dignity amid the pressures of hate and racism as Jackie Robinson faced as the first ever African American professional baseball player in 1947. Chadwick Boseman turns in a fine performance as Robinson, but perhaps the most interesting role is that of Harrison Ford as the Brooklyn Dodgers' manager Branch Rickey. Ford has typically been a wooden figure, showing little dexterity, but on "42" he actually manages to break out of that shell into a very likable warm personality. I didn't think he had it in him.
Unfortunately as inspiring as this tale is, racism still abounds, albeit a tad more discreetly. One can only imagine the way black Americans felt in the Jim Crow years. Even when the racist white people did little more than display their hatred and ignorance throughout that era, those hateful people still pass down their vitriol to younger kids. "42" won't change many minds, but it does a good job of capturing how Robinson may have felt, in scenes like the Dodgers playing the Philadelphia Phillies only to have the Phillies manager hurl every racist name and cliche he can at Robinson whenever he (Robinson) comes up to bat.
It shows the true ugliness some whites had toward minorities, but also shows that minds could be changed. Whether this is Oscar material is debatable, but there is no denying it's a damn good movie with a hopeful spirit throughout.… Expand
Apr 12, 2013Everyone should go see 42, baseball fan or not. Really a great movie and makes you understand how horrible segregation and racism was back then. Jackie Robinson is a true hero for what he did. He not only affected baseball, but probably affected other sports and the civil rights movement also.
Apr 15, 2013There can be a large gap between the ambition of a project and its execution. through history of art there have been marvelous flops, ideas and projects that were reaching out far beyond their grasp, attempting to achieve things they did not have the talent to achieve. There have been even more movies on the other end though, films that arn't trying to achieve anything that hasn't been done before, taking a well worn film tropes and formulas, and recreating it for success. The film 42 is undoubtedly a member of the latter.
The story tells one that has been told before, the story of Jackie Robinson, moving from the Negro leagues in baseball, to be the first black to play in the NBL. The story is a predictable one, whether you know the story or not, or can see precisely where the story will go and when. There are no scenes that are at all original, every scene has been done in one sports movie or another, though "42" does have the benefit of being closely based on a true story, a story which so happens to follow the classic inspirational formula so close.
Thebenefit that "42" has because it follows the formula so close, is that they have the story told for them. where "42" excels though, is that even though the story has been told before, none of the members of the cast or crew seem to be going through the motions. The people that are actually creating the film don't care that its a cliché story, they just want to show the inspirational story of Jackie Robinson. All the main actors are good in their roles, thought Harrison ford gravely voice and attitude go close to the cartoony side, it doesn't seem to matter when he seems so likable. Relative newcomer Chadwick Boseman as the films star, giving depth and layers to Jackie Robinson, showing him to be a character, instead of just a mcguffin, used only to allow African Americans to play in the NBL.
overall. the movie is one that put more effort into it than it needed to. "42" could have been a bland story thats been told hundreds of times before. yet while the story is familiar and old fashioned, it at least puts into it the heart to make it a cut above the less dedicated films of its kind… Expand
Apr 22, 2013When I was a kid, I liked baseball. Even when I got older and joined band, I still liked to watch to watch a good baseball game. I learned about Jackie Robinson in school once, but all I knw was that he was the first African American to play baseball. This movie tells you the whole story of how Jackie Robinson got to play baseball on the Dodgers. While there are a few flaws, this movie is a movie you want to see. 9/10.… Expand
Apr 21, 2013A very inspiring film, which had me rooting for Jackie all along the course of the film. The producers made many characters that seemed human and that you could relate to, which I could for some of them. A perfect movie. 10/10
Apr 21, 2013The state of foreign and domestic terrorism we live in today doesn't compare to what our friend's parents experienced not too long ago. This country was sickening and embarrassing. My heart was full, broken and full again throughout this movie. It will prove to be a lesson for generations to come.
Apr 23, 201342 is an amazing movie that highlights not just Jackie Robinson's early uprising but also Robison's struggles against segregation and racism that destroyed America from the inside. The movie has intense baseball scenes (you may struggle to figure out whether it's an obvious scene or not from the scene's stiffness) which is tied with some plot related aspects. Though Chadwick Boseman created a colourful (no pun or poor taste in humour intended) and deep character, Harrison Ford steals the show with his persuasive exertion during some of the more tense scenes. Though the movie's setting doesn't really capture the late 1940's setting outside of the segregation laws and cruelty towards African Americans, 42 is a must see movie that will fulfil not just any MLB fan's desire to see a movie about baseball, segregation, and the upbringing of a talented man, but also for many movie fanatics ...
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Unless you're a resident of Pittsburgh.… Expand
Aug 22, 201342 tiene como objetivo ser una pelicula que ablande el corazon del publico mediante la interacción de la muestra de una epoca ya pasada (en el beisbol) y se hace ver buena dentro de su genero
May 3, 2013I enjoyed it. It stays true to the facts and doesn't try to go above and beyond by making things up to get cheers from "critics." A fan of baseball history will enjoy this. Someone looking for a movie thrill may not. It's not subject matter that needs be fluffed up like Remember the Titans was.
May 12, 2013"42" is almost a word by word scripted remake of the 1950 film featuring Jackie Robinson named "The Jackie Robinson Story". This said, I enjoyed this effort as the two main leads give good performances and the film is uplifting and provides some history about the culture of the time that many young people may not be informed on. As far as coming out knowing more about Jackie the man and his life and his endeavors outside the baseball field well you won't get much if anything of that from this feel good kind of film.… Expand
Dec 14, 2013This movie is amazing I'm British who loves baseball more than football so no doubt I planned to watch this movie and I got to say it is amazing I can't say any more go watch this movie
Jun 11, 2013I father, I Brooklyn Dodger them...I Jack/ I Rob/ I sin...Ah man, I'm Jackie Robinson...'cept when I run base, I dodge the pen!
I think baseball is boring...and I loved 42!
Jun 29, 2013Pros: Strong individual performances, several less than well known baseball bits (the tip of the hat for an outstanding play, a forfeit goes in the books as a 9-0 victory, etc.), and the Harry Caray-esque character portrayed by John C. McGinley (Perry Cox from Scrubs).
Cons: Every plot point in the film was seemed predictable and bland. It would seem that inspirational sports films haven't changed since The Mighty Ducks.
Overall, I would recommend seeing the film, but no more than once. I feel as though there was too little explanation of Robinson's advancements through the ranks of the Negro leagues to the minors to the MLB for the average person and too much for the average baseball fan. I also felt that the way Robinson was depicted on the bases was terrible in that it felt as though I was watching one of the three stooges attempt to get a lead off first. The film did little more than pique my interest into watching a Jackie Robinson biography.… Expand
Aug 14, 2013This review contains spoilers, click expand to view. Everyone thinks this is a good baseball movie, but aside from the lead actor, there is nothing I like about this movie! Granted the story is about a great baseball player, the acting absolutely SUCKS! Not even Indiana Jones can save this horrible atrocity of a movie! Mind you, this is just what I got from the PREVIEWS! Don't even waste your $10 on this DVD! Glad I didn't purchase it, or I'd ask 4 my damn money back!… Expand
Aug 16, 2013This movie did what it was suppose to do.It had a great story and wanted to make you want to know more about Jackie Robinson.42 was a great movie showing the story of the first African American baseball player.
Nov 28, 2013Unless you grew up listening, watching, or playing baseball, you might find this movie banal and pedantic. In some cases, the story of Jackie Robinson and his struggles are perhaps too much for a PG-13 movie to consume all in one time. The performances have plenty of character development, and I am impressed with newcomer Chadwick Boseman. But the movie does not have any sort of gritty action that adds to the intense experience Robinson went through during the late 40's. Too natural, too clean, yet for most baseball fans, a enjoyable two hours, and plenty good use of twenty bucks.… Expand
Aug 31, 2013On this side of the Atlantic is not easy to get a feel for these movies, but it will be more drama than a sports movie about baseball. Not bad for one's leaving.
Sep 20, 2013Boseman's Jackie Robinson is a very good character study, and the actor's talents should be widely embraced. What the movie lacks it makes up for in accuracy, drama, and a neat script.
Dec 31, 2013It had potential, but is ultimately defeated with poor acting and a predictable, unsatisfying story. It gives you nothing that you couldn't predict, and feels too much like a cliché. I'm sorry, but 42 is a forgettable film.
42 gets a 6.3/10
Mar 7, 2014i find movie 42 based on jackie robinson which i found interesting about jackies life and his teamates . i find base baseball movies great to learn i also love hockey movies as well . but this one is better then bradd pitts moneyball .
Jul 12, 2014great movie, thaught it would be cliched but it wasn´t. loved that film. im a huge Baseball fan, good to see a bit of history
Jul 13, 2014I woke up this morning after renting 42 The Jackie Robinson Story thinking "Why didn't we see this movie sooner!" Tonight my children will watch it. It is an inspiring and motivating story; one to stimulate reflection on our own behaviors and promote mankind. This movie is for those all ages who are looking for a good story, history and the love for the game of baseball!
Harrison Ford played Branch Rickey, owner of the Brooklyn Dodgers. He was a man who fought against the norm by believing in and signing a colored man in 1946 to play in the Major Leagues. Harrison Ford was convincing; he was a true image of Branch Rickey! I say Branch Rickey is a hero! Chadwick Bossman played Jackie Robinson, a handsome young athlete who was an incredibly talented baseball player. Jackie Robinson experienced public humiliation and harassment because of his race. Jackie and his wife were forced to be courageous and power through societies harsh racism! He let his talent speak for himself and he became a hero to many! I think the producers did an excellent job of sharing his story. In real life it wasn't nearly as clean as the movie demonstrated, however I believe the points of racism and how he changed the game of baseball forever were tasteful and well made.… Expand
Jul 23, 201442 is the story of Jackie Robinson, the first African American to play in the MLB. 42 chronicles the intolerance exemplified towards African Americans in the nineteen forty's and the high level of resentment they faced by the National Baseball League.
Chadwick Boseman plays the lead role of Jackie Robinson and gives a worthy performance, although he does stubble in some of the more serious scenes. Harrison Ford also highlights this film as the general manager of the Brooklyn Dodgers at the time, Branch Rickey. He is by far the standout of the film and delivers on the usual Ford talent; if you are able to maneuver past his raspy voice.
42 is written by Brian Helgeland, who wrote the screenplay for L.A. Confidential, but his talent, however does not translate very well over to this film. To be frank, the screenplay is not good. It embodies the premise of mediocrity and exemplifies laziness and the inability to create serious dialogue. A few specs of light show through the seemingly unending cliché lines and useless and poorly written dialogue, but these few instance are not capable of saving the entire movie. Brian Helgeland also directed the film and provides a capable direction, although not memorable.
The biggest problem with 42 is that it is complete waste of its own potential. The film has actors who have proved their talent and a director/writer who has exemplified his own worth. The film ultimately fails because of its lazy and lackluster construction, which is a huge disappointment because it could have been so much more. 42 is not the great film that it should be and does not do justice to the American hero it tries to embody.… Expand
Nov 23, 2014Chadwick Boseman shows how solid he is at a young age with his portrayal of Jackie Robinson in 42. He is certainly the highlight of the film. I was hoping for the movie of the year here. It was still solid but it didn't really live up to my expectations. I would have liked to see the movie cover more a timeline. We should have gotten to see the Dodgers win the World Series.
Nov 13, 2014"42" 10 Scale Rating: 7.0 (Good) ...
The Good: Jackie Robinson never wanted to be an icon, he just wanted to play baseball. The film does a great job showing that instead of over-glamorizing the legend of Robinson. As the light goes on and Robinson realizes that what he is doing is bugger than him, Boseman does an amazing job of driving the point home without over-doing it. A mostly accurate film thanks to the input of Robinson's widow as well as a former teammate, who were brought in to supervise. Harrison Ford steals the show as Branch Rickey, owner of the Brooklyn Dodgers and the man who brought Robinson to the big leagues.
The Bad: Probably a little too sugary sweet and sentimental. Some of that is expected, but at times it feels like they overdid it somewhat as there would be several "touching and powerful" scenes in a row.… Expand
Boseman hits his key scenes out of the park, making a swell couple with Shame's Nicole Beharie, while Helgeland stages Robinson's signature base-stealing with undeniable aplomb.
Already a hit in America, 42 is a well-told but square biopic doing justice to Jackie Robinson rather than exploring him.
Boseman is not a hugely close physical match to Robinson, except for perhaps in the power he conveys, but he's a great choice to play the ball player, unfamiliar enough, despite a decade of small credits here and there, to feel like an athlete, not a movie star playing one.


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Just wanted to say thanks for taking the time to build this list. Thanks for your hard work!
Theres nothing to do at work so I was searching wowhead for some protection warrior loot. It doesn't include BoE but anything else should be in place. All items start with 316 ilvl except ranged since we dont have many options for that atm. If you have something to add feel free to post, I'll include it in main post.
Update2: Added Vib's BoE back and trinket, Roarc's dps waist.
Update: Added crafting professions and Horde reputation and quest rewards from Fakemessiah's post, (A) - Alliance, (H) - Horde
Reputation346 - http://www.wowhead.com/item=62428 - (A) Wildhammer Clan - Revered346 - http://www.wowhead.com/item=62410 - (H) Dragonmaw Clan - ReveredJustice333 - http://www.wowhead.com/item=57861 - Setesh (Halls of Origination)Neck
316 - http://www.wowhead.com/item=55831 - Grand Vizier Ertan (The Vortex Pinnacle)
Reputation333 - http://www.wowhead.com/item=62376 - Guardians of Hyjal - HonoredJustice346 - http://www.wowhead.com/item=52323 - JCDrops333 - http://www.wowhead.com/item=55888 - Temple Guardian Anhuur (Halls of Origination)Back
Reputation359 - http://www.wowhead.com/item=62383 - Guardians of Hyjal - ExaltedCrafting333 - http://www.wowhead.com/item=56519 - LWDrops316 - http://www.wowhead.com/item=55847 - Asaad (The Vortex Pinnacle)BoE333 - http://www.wowhead.com/item=56219 - Grim Batol trashShoulders
Justice333 - http://www.wowhead.com/item=56124 - Drahga Shadowburner (Grim Batol)Chest
Justice359 - http://www.wowhead.com/item=55058 - BSWrist
Reputation359 - http://www.wowhead.com/item=62449 - Ramkahen - ExaltedDrops333 - http://www.wowhead.com/item=57855 - Anraphet (Halls of Origination)333 - http://www.wowhead.com/item=55992 - Isiset (Halls of Origination)Hands
Justice333 - http://www.wowhead.com/item=56099 - Rajh (Halls of Origination)Waist
Justice359 - http://www.wowhead.com/item=55059 - BSDrops333 - http://www.wowhead.com/item=55867 - Lockmaw (Lost City of the Tol'vir)Reputation359 - http://www.wowhead.com/item=62384 - Guardians of Hyjal - Exalted (with reforging could be useful)Legs
Reputation333 - http://www.wowhead.com/item=62355 - The Earthen Ring - HonoredJustice
Reputation359 - http://www.wowhead.com/item=62432 - (A) Wildhammer Clan - Exalted359 - http://www.wowhead.com/item=62418 - (H) Dragonmaw Clan - ExaltedQuest
Reputation346 - http://www.wowhead.com/item=62440 - Ramkahen - Revered346 - http://www.wowhead.com/item=62351 - Therazane - ReveredQuest346 - http://www.wowhead.com/item=52320 - JCDrops333 - http://www.wowhead.com/item=56114 - General Umbriss (Grim Batol)333 - http://www.wowhead.com/item=55873 - Siamat (Lost City of the Tol'vir)316 - http://www.wowhead.com/item=55794 - Corborus (The Stonecore)Trinkets
Reputation359 - http://www.wowhead.com/item=62471 - (A) Baradin's Wardens - Exalted333 - http://www.wowhead.com/item=65175 - (A) Baradin's Wardens - Honored359 - http://www.wowhead.com/item=62466 - (H) Hellscream's Reach - Exalted333 - http://www.wowhead.com/item=65176 - (H) Hellscream's Reach - HonoredCrafting346 - http://www.wowhead.com/item=52352 - Jewelcrafters only!Drops333 - http://www.wowhead.com/item=56121 - Forgemaster Throngus (Grim Batol)316 - http://www.wowhead.com/item=55845 - Asaad (The Vortex Pinnacle)316 - http://www.wowhead.com/item=55816 - High Priestess Azil (The Stonecore)BoE333 - http://www.wowhead.com/item=55881 - Lost City trashWeapon
Quest333 - http://www.wowhead.com/item=56130 - Erudax (Grim Batol)333 - http://www.wowhead.com/item=56101 - Rajh (Halls of Origination)316 - http://www.wowhead.com/item=55813 - High Priestess Azil (The Stonecore)Shield
Justice333 - http://www.wowhead.com/item=63917 - (A)333 - http://www.wowhead.com/item=63912 - (H)Crafting359 - http://www.wowhead.com/item=55069 - BSDrops333 - http://www.wowhead.com/item=56096 - Halls of OriginationRanged
Quest316 - http://www.wowhead.com/item=55853 - Asaad (The Vortex Pinnacle)BoE
Grim Batol (333) - 4 items
Halls of Origination (333) - 7 items
Lost City of the Tol'vir (333) - 2 items
The Vortex Pinnacle (316) - 4 items
The Stonecore (316) - 3 items
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Just wanted to say thanks for taking the time to build this list. Thanks for your hard work!
here are the horde versions of some of your quest items and rep items
also if you could put a - JC, or - BS, or - LW; next to the crafted items to help people better understand on this quick view what makes what, that would be great. I know its 99% common sense, but there is that 1% who will ask
I have added to mine, so i will add to yours and post here to help you from looking everywhere for it.
346 - http://www.wowhead.com/item=62410 - Dragonmaw Clan - Revered
359 - http://www.wowhead.com/item=62418 - Dragonmaw Clan - Exalted
359 - http://www.wowhead.com/item=62466 - Hellscream's Reach - Exalted
333 - http://www.wowhead.com/item=65176 - Hellscream's Reach - Honored
333 - http://www.wowhead.com/item=63912
346 - http://www.wowhead.com/item=52323 - JC
333 - http://www.wowhead.com/item=56519 - LW
359 - http://www.wowhead.com/item=55058 - BS
359 - http://www.wowhead.com/item=55059 - BS
346 - http://www.wowhead.com/item=52320 - JC
Tanks...You're Welcome!
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Added to first post, thanks for sharing
KleMix, thanks much for putting this up!
Thanks for this saved me doing a lot of research
Awsome list.
http://www.wowhead.com/item=56219 is a 333 tank back that drops randomly in Grim normal.
http://www.wowhead.com/item=55881 is a 333 tank trinket that random drops in Lost City normal.
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Great list but thought I'd point out a small issue.
A couple of the BS crafted pieces require Chaos Orbs which are a BoP item that only drops in Heroics. Until they relent and move them to BoE we're stuck treating those as pre-raid pieces not pre-heroic. This specifically effects the chest, waist and shield recommendations.
If I'm mistaken please correct me 'cause I'd love to be chasing those pieces first.
Again, great list otherwise! I've got it printed and am plotting my goals right now.
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Looks like we'll have to go back to the BC model of crafting where we paid people for their Nethers. I really hope Blizz changes their stance on this.
I would add Belt of the Ferociuous Wolf to the list even if it's a DPS item it's quite similar to the BS craftable with some reforging and use of it's socket.
Updated, thanks for feedback
Great info and very helpful, thanks a bunch for all the work and effort.
Thanks for putting this list together!
-So I just stand in the corner and take all the damage?
-Correct, your the tank.
-I'm going to go re-roll
The listed quest reward mace http://www.wowhead.com/item=63804 is Alliance.
The Horde quest reward mace equivalent:
333 - http://www.wowhead.com/item=63799
This is a great list Thanks. However I didn't see any relics listed which are important to some classes. I did see Ranged weapons listed which are good for warriors but relics are important for Paladins, DK's and Druids I believe.
Ok I looked up the Pre-raid list and saw a relic listed that is crafted by scribes. The Pre-raid list also has a heroic item listed but since this list is for pre-heroics I'll borrow this item
http://www.wowhead.com/item=62243 crafted by scribes
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Lets not forget about our 2nd BiS shield which is a BoE Random world drop!
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Under redundancy lets change the example because it is a little too direct of a reference to another topic. Perhaps use Nefarian as an example. The energy mechanic and the ramping up damage of the adds in phase one functions identical to the mechanic in phase three, however instead of just the breath being able to refresh it there is also the the fires he will spawn. The adds themselves function the exact same way so this is redundant. Dealing with the adds is something you need to do in both phases and it follows similar rules, don't let the energy refresh. However how it is actually handled will differ. Hopefully we can avoid any drama carried over.


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Europe confirms raids on ebook publishers
The European Commission has confirmed it raided several companies involved in ebook publishing. The regulators said it carried out "unannounced inspections" at ebook publishing companies in several member states because it has reason to believe they may have "violated EU antitrust rules that prohibit cartels and other …
"Many observers expected the arrival in Europe of Amazon's Kindle, and therefore increasing electronic sales, to result in falling prices for ebooks."
Are these "observers" idiots? It's a Amazon locked in ecosystem, just like iTunes.
That is why you would have to be a total retard to buy a Kindle, it's heavily subsided hardware designed to make Amazon ALOT of money in the long-run from overpriced ebooks.
If you want competition from multiple retailers then you buy a EPUB reader like the Sony.
I'm a retard
Well, I'm beginning to think so, I got a kindle with the "free" 3g for £149.99 and got a couple of ebooks for quite good prices at the beginning (like a drug addict maybe?)
Just looking today on Amazon for some Holiday reading material and I looked at Clarksons latest rambles:
Kindle Edition - £12.98
Hardcover - £9.99
Paperback - £5.99
Used - £2.80
Kindle edition TWICE as much as a paperback, £3.00 more than the hardback, and £10.00 more than a used one!
So yes, I do feel like a complete twat now for tying myself in to the Kindle!
Having said that it is a nice eBook reader, good wifi & 3g connectivity as well as it's ability to read web pages (with the obvious limitations)
Must be a retard then
As have a Kindle.
Never paid for a book on it though, and haven't stopped using it since I bought it. I'm pretty impressed with it to be honest.
Am I still a retard? I bought a subsidised piece of hardware that does exactly what I want, and hasn't cost me a penny to use (well, maybe a few pence in charging).
Locked in Ecosystem? You can read whatever you like on it - doesn't have to come from Amazon. In what way is that locked in? Please explain. Or don't you know, and are only regurgitating what you read on slashdot?
ePub is all very well ...
But despite the theoretical competition, even prices there have gone up. Waterstones - the retailer that Sony has tended to push their customers to - didn't even attempt to compete when Kindle appeared in the UK; some of their prices actually went up.
And that was before the introduction of Agency Pricing which pushed up prices of some books by a few pounds.
I agree in part
Seeing the cost of an ebook being more than the price of the paperback riles me. I'm just glad I have Calibre to convert ebooks from other formats so I can shop around, but even then prices are way too high.
But let's not jump straight onto Amazon as the source of the high prices. If the publishers are charging that much, they can't be expected to sell them at a loss.
The other thing that pisses me off is VAT on ebooks.
I half wish my other half never bought me my Kindle... But then again it's a lovely bit of kit, and has transformed my oppinions of ebook readers. All they need to do is sort the pricing (the ex VAT price should be no more than the cost of the cheapest edition new. So while it's only in hardback, use the hardback price. Once it's in paperback, drop to paperback price. Simples.)
@Andy ORourke - that's what this news is about
It's not about Kindle. It's about publishing houses setting prices on ebooks, thus avoiding competition laws which successfully pushed down the prices of all paper editions of the book you were interested in. Believe me, Kindle has nothing do with it. I happened to buy Kindle and (more than) few books before publishing houses hardened their pricing policy and am very happy that law agencies are starting to see the problem here.
As for "lock in", needless to say quite recently I bought some books from the bookshop actually competing with Amazon (which just doesn't happen to promote its own reader) i.e. O'Reilly, the ebook was available in mobi format and I'm happily reading it on my Kindle. There is no "Kindle walled garden" as there is one for everything Apple does. It's just bookshops unwilling to sell books in format which can be read on competitors device. The difference is you can actually read non-DRM books on Kindle, no (or only few) problems here.
@Bornek Kozicki
"There is no "Kindle walled garden" as there is one for everything Apple does"
Which explains why all but two of the couple hundred plus books I have on my iThingie have come from anywhere but Apple's ibookstore (Fictionwise, BooksOnBoard, Kobo, Smiths, Waterstones, Smashwords and others). OK, some of them had to be format shifted to epub. I can also get them onto the iPad without using iTunes if I so desire (at the moment I am using iTunes & Calibre, about a month ago I was just using Calibre)
I'm also glad the pricing is being looked into, and hope they start on geographic restrictions next (and resolve both issues in favour of the consumer, not the publishers)
I see your Fail and raise you an Ignoramus.
Well, disregard my academic record and well paid job, I must be a dunce for having a Kindle, despite the fact that it doesn't 'lock you into' Amazon's ecosystem, since it will quite happily reproduce e-books bought in ohter formats and display PDFs and MS Word documents emailed to it for free.
But of course, not being a Kindle owner, this perfectly qualifies you to criticise something you obviously know very little about, right?
Agency pricing
Then you probably made the original buys before Amazon was forced to adopt agency pricing by the publishers. Many Ebook prices went up several pounds overnight when that happened.
Fail on your fail
You said "it's heavily subsided hardware designed to make Amazon A LOT of money in the long-run from overpriced ebooks."
No, " it's heavily subsided hardware designed to make Amazon A LOT of money in the long-run from CHEAP ebooks."
Amazon at one stage actually refused to sell these overpriced books , which the publishers wont allow them to discount as a condition of sale. Check out the pricing differences between books where "the publisher has set the price" and ones where this isnt so. Its marked.
The publishers havent learned the lesson of the music industry. Eventually the pirates will teach them and hopefully quicker than the EU which will likely come up with a recommendation in about 2025.
emailed to it for free
If you have to email it would that not be a gateway that Amazon may deside to filter/toll/block at their whim at some future date?
If you can't just plug it into a USB port and copy files to it then you are just hoping that they will keep playing nice.
@Tom 35
You can plug it in via USB, see it as an external drive and transfer files directly. The email thing is a convenience.
Copyright wars...
We will all look back and laugh at the silly things that corporations got up to during the copyright wars of the 21st century whilst all enjoying our creative commons, open file format, non drm'ed ebooks of the future...
You don't HAVE to buy ebooks from Amazon in order to read them on the Kindle. In fact, you don't have to BUY ebooks at all; there are plenty of (legit) free books available.
Yes, but
There are of course plenty of free eBooks available - but that's only a helpful argument if they're the sort of books that someone wants to read.
Resources like Project Gutenberg, or the free books available from Kobo, Baen and many other sources do mean that yes, you can find plenty of stuff to read without spending money.
But if someone wants to read The Girl with the Dragon Tattoo, or the latest Dan Brown, or any of a huge number of other things, pointing out that they can get anything by Dickens from Gutenberg, or some free SciFi from Baen doesn't solve their problem, does it?
Girl with the Dragon Tattoo you say?
http://goo.gl/z5B6J - Kindle edition is the cheapest option.
Sounds obvious
But if you put your prices up too high, higher than paperback/hardback, anyone with a sane mind is going to look elsewhere. That includes non-legit channels. Instead of making some money, you're now making £0.
The consumer is unlikely to accept a higher price for e-books than traditional print, no matter what the publishers want us to believe.
Re: Clarkson price
If you look at that Kindle edition of the Clarkson book, you will see just under the outrageous price, "This price was set by the publisher".
This is what is being investigated. The publishers are forcing Amazon to place outrageous prices on ebooks.
I wouln't be surprised if it wasn't Amazon that asked the OFT to investigate.
Also see reviews
Quite a few reviewers of this book are giving it one star and commenting that its part of the price fixing "scam".
So while publishers can fix prices, they are probably going to have to accept poor reader reviews on Kindle. The knock-on effect is that prospective readers see price £stupid, rating (*) and go and look for something better.
It looks like they already are
I've just had a quick scan through the Kindle Top 100 Paid list; most of the books on it are under £3, a handful are over £5 and only one over £10.
It certainly looks like people are voting with their wallets.
Daylight robbery
Bought a Sony PRS-350 at christmas and am totally shocked at the price of books.
I look at one at the weekend.
Waterstones.com hardback £12.99, epub £13.98, paperback £4.54
Amazon Kindkle edition £3.95
I bought it in paperback from Asda at £3.84
PRS-350 going on ebay I think...
Waterstones are very pricey
With a price differential like that, it's clearly not an agency priced book; despite the horrible interface, it's worth checking with WH Smith, Kobo and some of the other stores that sell books in ePub format. Waterstones is very often the most expensive.
I did a few comparisons last year; four books that I bought to take on holiday in August were £17.18 at WH Smith, £17.12 on Amazon, or I could have paid £33.86 from Waterstones.
Even after the introduction of agency pricing, Waterstones were still expensive - a selection of books I was tracking last summer was £184.62 on Amazon, £205.95 at WH Smith, and £227.95 with Waterstones.
If I were Sony, I'd very much regret having jumped into bed with one of the priciest eBook vendors in the UK; it can't be doing the image of their readers much good at all.
Neg repping the first AC post
Seems like Kindle, like Apple, has its fanbois
or could it be the first post made an incorrect statement about a product they know nothing about and then flamed everyone who brought that product?
Many people replied saying that the comment was incorrect, many more couldn't be bothered to feed the troll and just downvoted (which is sort of the whole point of being able to vote!)
Re: Neg repping the first AC post
You may call them 'fanbois', but having read their posts I'd be more inclined to call them 'better informed users'.
It's not fanboi-ism to correct technical FUD. And no, I don't own a Kindle or any other ebook reader.
FUD correction
Not fanbois, but merely pointing out that the "walled garden" on Kindle devices is FUD. By the way, it is the Apple fanbois who usually claim that Kindle also has a "walled garden".
@FUD correction
There's a lot of "walled garden" FUD spread about both devices.
Kindle works with DRM-free formats and Amazon's AZW proprietary DRM format books only available from Amazon.
Apple's iBooks work with DRM-free formats and Apple's own proprietary FairPlay DRM books only available from Apple.
If you took the first thread and swapped "Amazon Kindle" and "Apple iBooks" across all the posts you can bet that the up/down votes would also have swapped even though there is no real difference other than Kindle is clearly lovely and fluffy and our friend whereas Apple are in fact the Great Satan.
Quick, downvote me, because it looks like I'm defending Apple.
Sounds like price fixing....
...but by the authorities. Who gives them the mandate to tell others what price to set on their books? If publishers decide to stupidly overprice ebooks, then these ebooks will be on torrents or parallel publishers, if need be from .cn and .ru, will step in. It's that simple.
price fixing
Publishing houses disallows sellers to set their own price on ebooks they sell. Which means there can't be competition between bookshops (e.g. Amazon vs Barnes & Noble) as they all are obliged to use same price. So of course, this is price fixing by publishing houses.
Although of course, pushing customers to .cn or .ru "originated" ebooks is huge own goal but, as RIAA teach us, eventually customers (those few left) pay for it anyway.
There is also the possibility of price fixing in cartels
As when publishers seek not to undercut each others prices in general terms.
So say latest reprint of Clarkson's car-themed pontificating from the Sunday Times comes out in ebook form at much the same price as the cut and paste of James May's motoring-based musings from the Observer.
I don't think you understand
Publishers can charge retailers any stupid price they want, yes, but they don't have a right to tell the retailer how much they should resell it for. At least, that's how it works with real books, I've yet to be convinced there's any reason beyond greed why it should be different with the virtual kind.
Mind Filter
Move along, Destroy All Monsters. There's no liberal-socialist conspiracy here.
@andy gibson
because people must be fanbois to neg-rep blatently false information?
theres no need to buy kindle books from amazon to read them on the kindle. its not a locked-in ecosystem.
yes its ridiculous that e-books cost more than physical books (considering you're getting less for your money), but thats a completely seperate issue to whether or not its an amazon-locked product.
eBook prices
The publishers would claim that the costs that go into making a book are mainly things like author's fees, editor's, publicists' etc. and such fees have to be covered by electronic books as well as their dead tree counterparts.
However there's no real excuse why an eBook should cost more than a paperback, in my opinion, so this investigation is welcome.
Back in the good olden days of a decent exchange rate with the US I'd buy a lot of my ebooks on US sites - where apart from having cheaper list prices they'd also be cheaper due to the exchange rate. There's a lot less of that nowadays, but it's why it's worth only buying e-readers that let you purchase from elsewhere. I think pretty much all of them do, including Amazon's Kindle, as long as you're savvy enough to buy the right format.
However the key thing for me is that while people like you and me might be able to buy from stores abroad and use, er, less ethical ways of obtaining our ebooks from certain websites, your average consumer, buying books on the Kindle store, is likely to get ripped off badly which isn't going to do any favours for the technology in the long term. That is why this investigation is sorely needed.
those who do not learn from history, and all that
So the publishers collude to artificially inflate the price of a digital product as it begins to gain ground over it's physical predecessor.
Can't imagine how even vaguely tech savvy flexibly moralled users will react?
Not saying it's right or wrong. Just predictable.
Publishers Pushed?
You'll find his Jobsness at the heart of this, Apple have 'encouraged' publishers to head down the agency route so that they can all pay their 30% tithe on each purchase, and to ensure that no one can buy books cheaper than they cost on the iRipoff platform. Random House have just caved and said they will move to agency.
You can read just about anything through the kindle, but to read books from Amazon you'll either need a kindle app, or Calibre, and the relevent plugins, for other ereaders such as the Sony.
Another option is go to Smashwords, Wattpad or Feedbooks, all three have good selections of free books, the quality does vary though.
wasn't it amazon
who set split to 70% amazon and 30% author???? after iBooks introduced their model amazon was forced to change their.
ePub vs .mobi
I have a kindle & I don't feel locked in with it
If I get an ePub book I simple run it through kindlegen (supplied free by Amazon) and it converts, unless somebody has passed it through Calibre (because Calibre screws up the metatags)
I have shed loads of .pdf files and so far haven't had a single failure after passing it through free.kindle.com
No I'm not a fanboi I just have something that works and is easier on my eyes than any other ebook.
Anyway don't feed the trolls they can't even read
Takes me two weeks on holidays to finish my books, and usually only on the plne on the way home. At hoe why would I want an ebook reader. Its like using a laptop to read a book.
Crap compred to a real book.
did you actually read epaper ?
epaper is not the same thing as paper because format is different, but it's same easy for the eyes. It's nowhere like LCD screen.
The publishers' last stand.
Most publishers are still living in the late 20thC. Most didn't even manage to transfer to print on demand (PoD) before ebooks became established. They don't control any of this new stuff and they are running scared.
Late to PoD means that all sorts of Johnny Foreigners created start-ups to flog books off the back of Google Books and nick some of their trade. New publishers also started up beginning with a PoD model (like Lulu.com).
And publishers are well behind on ebooks too. By the time they had worked out what they are, Kindle had taken the market. Amazon own Kindle and have already become the default global distributor of books (slaughtering the national divvy-up, published in US, published in the UK etc, to boot).
So publishers who once controlled the market are now the farmers to Amazon's Tesco.
Expect many of them to go the way bookshop chains have gone (and farmers).
They were just very slow to change, never quite understood that they had an entirely new form of competition, and couldn't get the hang of the new marketplace. Their best responses were a series of mergers and an eNBA.
This is their last stand and they will lose it.
Its about time.
I read a lot of ebooks, but only through 1 publishing house, Baen.
The reason being that 1 they are one of the best sci-fi houses, but mainly due to their pricing of ebooks ($4 to $6). They purposely do not use DRM. They even maintain a free library of ebooks!
I came about this comment from 2002 from Erixc Flint who oversees the library,and it is interesting the reference to royalties from an authors perspective, and also this comment.
"At the conference-at least in the public sessions-my remarks were basically greeted with pained silence. But, in private, several publisher representatives told me that they agreed with me-but also told me that trying to get the publishing industry to give up encryption would be impossible. Why? Basically because the corporate bean-counters who now run most of the publishing industry just can't bear the thought of-gasp-GIVING something away for free. Even if it benefits them in the long run." http://baen.com/library/palaver6.htm
have to agree though, ebook pricing is a scam and a half. The same price for a few bits of data? Where is the cost in producing that? The warehouse they store ebooks in must be chuffing huge and miles away from anywhere to require charging prices like that.
Oh, it's price fixing you say? Sort it out or *no* one will buy them other than the terminally stupid.
Where's the lock in?
Got a kindle wifi a couple of weeks back and think it is a lovely bit of kit, zero lock-in to Amazon. Free ebooks all over out of copyright & new ones (legit if you know where to look - and bazillions you can get from non-legit sources). Any of my 2500+ ebooks from previous eras that are not format compatible, quick zap with one of several utils soon sorts them out.
Drag, drop, bobs yer uncle.
How much have I paid Amazon? around £80 directly (got my kindle from Tesco, used my vouchers AND got double points too).
Can't see how this toy is locked in.
PS I still buy dead tree books - currently around 1000 on my shelves and half as much again stored away. Sometimes convenience wins the day....
Maybe the kindle is open but you still dont have to buy it
I can read all the free books on other things and I don't have to carry a kindle about, along with all the other things that do so much more as well.
Now if someone would sell an e-paper usb/bluetooth/ screen that I could use with any of my already capable devices , without all the horrible extra weight of the kindle then I might be interested.
It wouldn't be a mobile/PDA/laptop/tablet then, would it?
It's all very well to say 'why doesn't someone make a more functional device with an e-ink' screen, but it misses reality.
e-ink doesn't update quickly and is thus completely unsuitable for most devices. The more it's used, the lower the battery life is - a key point of the Kindle.
It is possible to run apps on the Kindle, but in the US only (unless you jailbreak it). Overuse of apps will - surprise, surprise, lead to lower battery life..
I don't understand how you can describe a Kindle as weighty - it weighs considerably less than a hardback, not that more than a large paperback and vastly less than the dead tree equivalent of the 80 books and PDFs I have on mine.
It isn't perfect, but it is damned good as an e-reader - brilliant screen, can be read one handed squashed up on a train and offers the ability to find books recommended or vaguely remembered by friends there and then. You can't do that with dead tree.
e-paper flaws
"e-ink doesn't update quickly and is thus completely unsuitable for most devices."
true. I'm hoping Mirasol (from Qualcomm) will change that. Portable & light android device with large, good contrast, colour and fast updating epaper screeen would be ideal. I know Notion Ink , but think it's too heavy and screen is different.
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On completion of the Improvisations and before their first public performance Saint-Saëns went with Périlhou to the organ of the Temple de l'Étoile to play through them. The church's organist, Alexandre Cellier, recalled in 1954 how Saint-Saëns had remarked on this occasion how enjoyable it was to play the organ; a comment he would scarcely have made in the years between 1878 and 1891. Whilst it would not be at all surprising to find the Op 150 set dedicated to Périlhou, it was in fact Gigout that received their dedication. Gigout, another of his Neidermeyer friends, was regarded by Saint-Saëns as one of the finest improvisers of his generation. Périlhou had retired in 1914 and as Gigout had been professor of organ at the Paris Conservatoire since 1911, where he included Saint-Saëns' works among the repertoire, it seems at least possible that the set was intended to have some didactic value. Three of the set are titled and use plainchant themes. 'Feria Pentecostes' is based on the first hymn of Lauds for Pentecost, Beata nobis gaudia; 'Pro martyribus' employs three phrases from the Offertory of the Mass for a martyr, Gloria et honore coronasti eum; 'Pro defunctis' quotes from the Offertory of the Requiem, Domine Jesu Christe. It is interesting to note that in these movements Saint-Saëns colours his harmony with the mixolydian or aeolian modes whilst in the freely written pieces his language is more contemporary. Not since the Messe, Op 4, and the Six Duos, Op 8, had he used chant in his written compositions. The first piece is similarly unusual for its ambiguous whole-tone tonality.
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