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To get back to my original point/question - was this just a perception issue or is there a distinct mechanical advantage that pallies have? I am leaning more and more towards perception.
Your current build is not a "standard" progression build. Could this be some of the problem?
Warrior tanks do take alot of spike damage, but "seem" to require alot less overall healing.
I know my healers appreciate it when Im the one on General and they can finish the fight
with mana left.
To get back to my original point/question - was this just a perception issue or is there a distinct mechanical advantage that pallies have? I am leaning more and more towards perception.
Yes it's a perception deal. Ever heard of the Demosthenes Method? After going through sheer overkill(zomgnubtankwemuztoverhealmoar), something going the normal way does seem easy.
I am pretty sure it is a perception issue. My first set of attempts with a warrior OT on heroic ToC were with one who had like 3k less unbuffed health than you (plus poorer gear overall) and our healers (one of which was an alt) had no trouble keeping him up.
Pallies are much better tanks than warriors, but not to the point where a pally an entire tier behind would be better than the warrior.
Warrior tanks are more difficult to play (I have not played one myself but heard it many a time from people who have played both), but when warriors are played right they are as effective as a paladin tank.
If you think paladin tanks are OP compared to warrior tanks, then you just haven't met a good warrior tank. I have met both good and bad warrior and paladin tanks, and I can tell you, neither has a clear advantage over the other.
10 man runs for a 25 man progression guild are kind of a poor measure. Your DPS is likely well over what is necessary and the fights are consequently shorter. A few good runs on avoidance and someone can look like a rockstar. There just isn't enough data in one clearing to find anything meaningful.
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The AD auto revive + part of the damage reduction is meant to be a replacement for the lack of cooldown compared to other tanks.
It is shorter than last stand without the need of glyphs, it is also better because it only happens when you need it to. Pally shield wall is much better than the warrior one which requires a glyph and 2 talents.
Even if pallies and warriors had equal stats(which is not true as pallies have better EH and block), pallies would still be better due to last stand/swall vs AD and Divine Protection.
I play 3 pally tanks and 2 warrior tanks.
Pally tanks are so piss easy to play and have 1 cooldown to manage the threat generation is a simple sequence you basically press in repeated order 2 spells on a 6 sec rotation 2 on a 9 sec rotation. Basically very litttle variation in talents really all you can do is scrounge a few points from prot tree to spend on ret tree. Outside your normal threat rotation you can use Exorcism (massively long cast), you can use hammer of justice to stun or interrupt something and if shield toss is off CD you could use that. Thats all your moves in a nutshell you dont have any others.
You start with a full mana bar and all you have to worry about is going empty and you can at least chug a pot and fix that.
Warriors are the reverse alot of options on talents and alot of buttons to manage. For threat you are managing Shield slam (Proc), Devastate, Revenge, heroic strike (spam) and none of that is on rotation its all priority based. You have fillers Conc blow, Shield bash, shockwave and heroic toss if off CD. You have thunderclap debuff to maintain and usually a shout to keep up. You have 2 CD's to control for rage regen and oh you have 2 survival CD's to use. And there is still moves available we havent even discussed rend, cleave, mocking blow it goes on and on. You start with an empty rage bar and if it goes empty you pray to god enrage regen is off CD else you stand there hopelessly unable to do anything :-)
Pally tanks appear stronger because more of us retards (I count myself in this group) can do the basic play style right than the number of people who can manage the complexity of warrior tanks.
If you want an insight I know at least 3 DK ex-tanks who cant tank anymore because of the change to macros that stops them being able to load the priority into a one button press. They simply do not have the ability to watch for threat priority spells and then watch and respond to the other stuff a tank has to do.
The OP part of AD is that its not a button press it occurs automatically when it is needed and was given to a class that was already stupidly simple to play. The auto revive part of AD is fictional ask any pally the number of times it actually saved a raid if it procs often you live to die some 5 seconds later ... my AD surival raid save count is 0.
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Gormok the implaler makes pallies shine, His impale hits put u below 35% every hit, and that makes pallies Ad be up a fair amount of time, Where a warrior gets for crazy large amounts if u say take a 3rd,4th impale without a cooldown.
honestly, i have seen fights that favor both and all classes that can tank. I always tank w/ a prot paladin but we are very strong together. Sure there are times it seems like im taking so much more damage, but others it looks like he is getting rocked. Just bored with hearing the same discussion about how paladins are OP. A really great player mixed w/ a paladin tank has great possibilities, and yes-they can be OP themselves. I really think its much harder than mashing 1 and 2 the entire time. Crap if i could mash a 2 button macro for a warrior i would, but thats not how we work-and i like the differences. Stop crying and play, enjoy it-it is a game.
Healer speaking here.
It is a matter of perception. Different tanks require different healing styles. If a tank is undergeared we switch into a heavy healing rotation sod the mana. If all healers do this then it SEEMS like wow, that's all my healing. This is easy.
In normal circumstances are usually trying to save mana just a little bit only to step in when the s**t hits the fan. The ones not taking it easy have to work extra hard. Don't ask how this happens. It's simply something I observed in my 3 years of raid healing.
So if you are seriously geared the healers fall into a less alert routine causing them to be seriously shocked when you eat a serious blow. Haeling is srs bzns.
Matter of perception. AD could be a factor but not with a 14k health difference and the same avoid values. Mitigation is different, sure, but it's not that big a factor in that particular fight.
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People try to overcompensate for things, and large groups of overcompensation lead people to think "wow this was easy" because collectively they worked harder, but individually it seemed like they worked less.
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Do people still feel this is ture? Ever since the Argent Defender nerf tanks are all one big muddled mess for me. Yes, Blood DKs spike more but seem to get more healing faster (their selfhealing), and outside of that... they take damage. I heal it.
I don't notice any difference, sorry. :X
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This was a scenario our group came up with many years ago for SFB and was an easy port-over to FC.
As we all know, Cestus III was the site where a Federation outpost was obliterated by a Gorn ship because the Gorns saw it as in incursion into their space. The Gorns also lured the nearest Federation CA into a trap, but were forced to retreat. The Fed CA engaged in a hot pursuit. The situation was finally resolved by a third party, but the ships involved were transported hundreds of light years away. It was always assumed that the subspace radio messages from both ships reached their respective fleet HQs and that was was averted.
But what if the ships were so far out of range that it took their messages too long to reach their HQs? Or what if the messages were somehow jammed? The Gorns would have assumed an enemy force had established a base in their space and the Feds would have assumed their pursuing vessel was destroyed and that invasion was imminent.
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On Turn 2 the FF HET'ed and ran after the fleeing CC, but the BT continued forward and behind the 2 Gorn escort cruisers. The light cruiser veered off and out of the action to get its forward shield out of anyone's line of fire. At that point, the game had to be called. The Feds had a CC and FF untouched and the BT with light damage. The Gorns had their largest ship severely damaged and the other two ships relatively untouched. We thought the BT would do some damage before it went down, but that the remaining Fed ships would be able to hand a defeat to the remaining Gorn ships.
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I take it you guys were using an SFB SSD for the Fed Battle Tug, or did you homebrew a Fleet Scale ship card for it?
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1. We play everything in squadron scale.
2. A "homebrew" SS ship "card" was made for it. It involved using the saucer section of a DD, the engines from a CA, and several graphic modifications.
The original FJ Fed DN could have been used (or even the regular DN), but we didn't go that route. I really wanted to use the so-called "middle years" type of ships, but they wouldn't have made much difference anyway. The Fed MY ships wouldn't have drones and I don't know what the difference would be with the Gorns.
That BT ship diagram really raised a lot of eyebrows, though!
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That's cool.
I did my own card for the Fed Fast Destroyer (since I have a mini I kitbashed). I'll probably do a Tug as well (and the Scout - since the CapLog scout rules are out there now).
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It has one BIG engine and a revised saucer section (similar to the CF when compared with the CA).
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It's the destroyer counterpart to the Fast Cruiser. Same "spade-shaped" saucer, a little less firepower, and one of the hopped-up engines.
It was published for SFB in Captain's Log #21.
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It's Round 14 and with just five regular season rounds remaining in the competition remaining, it's do or die for most teams!
There's some cracking encounters in store on Super Saturday, but perhaps none more so than the crucial Australian conference summit clash between the Brumbies and defending champion Reds in Canberra.
The Stormers have a feisty South African derby with the sixth-placed Sharks in Durban, while the Hurricanes host the Rebels in Wellington, the Blues play the Highlanders in Auckland, Western Force take on the Lions in Perth and the Cheetahs face the Waratahs in Bloemfontein.
Hurricanes v Rebels
Westpac Stadium, Wellington
The Hurricanes will be desperate to claim five points to keep their play-off hopes alive when they host the ever-improving Rebels in Wellington on Saturday.
With five regular season rounds remaining in the competition, the Hurricanes are currently fourth in the congested New Zealand conference standings while the Rebels occupy third spot in the Australian conference.
On the overall ladder the Hurricanes (35 points) are one place above the Melbourne outfit (29), who are tenth overall.
With two wins from their past two starts - including a shock 28-19 victory over the Crusaders - the Rebels pose a real danger for the hosts, especially after their 37-25 capitulation to the Brumbies last Friday.
Victory is non-negotiable for the men in yellow, as back-to-back defeats will surely spell the end of their hunt for a top-six finish.
Whilst the Rebels have no chance of reaching the finals, they still have plenty to play for. For one, they're chasing a hat-trick of victories for the first time in their franchise history, and are also bidding to win their first game on New Zealand soil.
In their only other meeting, the Rebels upset the Hurricanes 42-25 at AAMI Park last season.
Prediction: The Hurricanes have won just one game at the Cake Tin in 2012, so home advantage won't count for much. However, we'll still back the hosts to bounce back with a win against a game Rebels outfit. 'Canes by seven!
The teams:
Hurricanes: 15 Andre Taylor, 14 Alapati Leiua, 13 Conrad Smith (c), 12 Tim Bateman, 11 Julian Savea, 10 Beauden Barrett, 9 TJ Perenara, 8 Victor Vito, 7 Jack Lam, 6 Faifili Levave, 5 Jason Eaton, 4 Jeremy Thrush, 3 Jeffery Toomaga-Allen, 2 Dane Coles, 1 Ben May.
Replacements: 16 Motu Matu'u, 17 Reg Goodes, 18 James Broadhurst, 19 Brad Shields, 20 Chris Eaton, 21 Tusi Pisi, 22 Jayden Hayward.
Rebels: 15 Julian Huxley, 14 Mark Gerrard, 13 Mitch Inman, 12 Lachlan Mitchell, 11 Cooper Vuna, 10 Kurtley Beale, 9 Nick Phipps, 8 Gareth Delve (c), 7 Tim Davidson, 6 Luke Jones, 5 Hugh Pyle, 4 Cadeyrn Neville, 3 Jono Owen, 2 Ged Robinson, 1 Nic Henderson.
Replacements: 16 Adam Freier, 17 Rodney Blake, 18 Al Campbell, 19 Tom Chamberlain, 20 Richard Kingi, 21 James Hilgendorf, 22 Stirling Mortlock.
Referee: Jonathon White (New Zealand)
Blues v Highlanders
Eden Park, Auckland
The Blues will be out to play the spoilers role when they host the Highlanders at Eden Park on Saturday.
With the visitors desperate to stay in the play-offs mix, a slip-up against the rock-bottom Blues - backing up from a 59-12 demolition by the Crusaders - could cost them dearly with only a few rounds remaining.
Last time the two teams met, just over a month ago in Dunedin, the Highlanders edged home 30-27.
Whilst the Highlanders are enjoying better form than their struggling Kiwi rivals, history is against the visitors heading into this match. The southerners have won just once at Eden Park, in 2002, in 17 years of Super Rugby.
But following the Highlanders win against the former table-topping Bulls in Dunedin last weekend, Jamie Joseph's troops will sense a chance to gain a rare win in Auckland.
Prediction: It's the Highlanders to lose. 'Landers by eight!
The teams:
Blues: 15 Hadleigh Parkes, 14 David Raikuna, 13 Francis Saili, 12 Michael Hobbs, 11 Sherwin Stowers, 10 Gareth Anscombe, 9 Alby Mathewson, 8 Peter Saili/Luke Braid (c), 7 Luke Braid/Daniel Braid, 6 Steven Luatua, 5 Filo Paulo, 4 Liaki Moli, 3 Tevita Mailau, 2 James Parsons, 1 Tony Woodcock.
Replacements: 16 Tom McCartney, 17 Angus Ta'avao, 18 Ali Williams, 19 Daniel Braid/Peter Saili/Daniel Pryor, 20 Piri Weepu, 21 Ma'a Nonu, 22 Lachie Munro.
Highlanders: 15 Ben Smith, 14 Kurt Baker, 13 Tamati Ellison, 12 Phil Burleigh, 11 Hosea Gear, 10 Chris Noakes, 9 Jimmy Cowan, 8 Nick Crosswell, 7 Tim Boys, 6 Adam Thomson, 5 Hoani MacDonald, 4 Jarrad Hoeata, 3 Ma'afu Fia, 2 Andrew Hore, 1 Jamie Mackintosh (c).
Replacements: 16 Jason Rutledge, 17 Bronson Murray, 18 Josh Bekhuis, 19 Scott Fuglistaller, 20 Aaron Smith, 21 Mike Delany, 22 Kenny Lynn.
Referee: Glen Jackson (New Zealand)
Brumbies v Reds
Canberra Stadium, Canberra
It was the Will Genia-Quade Cooper alliance that was pivotal in leading the Reds to the Super Rugby title last season. The duo mesmerized many defences and provided the go-forward ball necessary to set their side on fire.
It's this brilliance that the Reds have lacked this season. While Genia have been ever-presented, until recent weeks, he has looked a shadow of the player that impressed in the previous campaign. Knee surgery has meant that Cooper made his bow only in Round 13. Reunited at last, the pair combined to see off the Lions last week but it was not a polished showing from the men from Queensland.
They have lacked sting among the backs and their execution in general has been poor. Yes, they've had some horror injuries, but even the most ardent Reds fan cannot deny that the defending champions have looked half-baked thus far.
The Brumbies mirror their opponents on Saturday in that they too have been dealt heavy blows in the fly-half department. However, that is where the comparison ends.
While the Reds when expected to do well in the comparatively week Australian Conference, Jake White's inexperienced Brumbies were not by any means fancied.
Many a punter must be hanging their heads in shame as the Brumbies top the Australian standings and have largely played entertaining rugby that shows all the groundwork for success in the future.
Key to the Brumbies chances in the current campaign is how number ten Zack Holmes adapts to life in the fast lane, and the rookie made an accomplished start in the win over the Hurricanes. Ben Mowen needs more of the same from his newly anointed playmaker.
The Brumbies will be looking for a healthy dose of revenge after missing out against the Reds in the reverse fixture, a game they'll feel they should have won.
Prediction: Both teams head into the clash with consecutive wins to their names and had this match taken place a few weeks ago, one would have fancied the Brumbies hands down, but the Reds are starting to show some of the class that has eluded them thus far. Despite this, the Brumbies should take it by five!
The teams:
Brumbies: 15 Jesse Mogg, 14 Henry Speight, 13 Andrew Smith, 12 Pat McCabe, 11 Joe Tomane, 10 Zack Holmes, 9 Nic White; 8 Ben Mowen (c), 7 Michael Hooper, 6 Peter Kimlin, 5 Sam Carter, 4 Scott Fardy, 3 Dan Palmer, 2 Stephen Moore, 1 Ben Alexander.
Replacements: 16 Anthony Hegarty, 17 Ruaidhri Murphy, 18 Leon Power, 19 Ita Vaea, 20 Ian Prior, 21 Robbie Coleman, 22 Tevita Kuridrani.
Reds: 15 Luke Morahan, 14 Dom Shipperley, 13 Anthony Faingaa, 12 Mike Harris, 11 Digby Ioane, 10 Quade Cooper, 9 Will Genia, 8 Scott Higginbotham, 7 Liam Gill, 6 Beau Robinson, 5 James Horwill (c), 4 Rob Simmons, 3 James Slipper, 2 Saia Faingaa, 1 Greg Holmes.
Replacements: 16 James Hanson, 17 Ben Daley, 18 Adam Wallace-Harrison, 19 Jake Schatz, 20 Nick Frisby, 21 Dallan Murphy, 22 Chris F'Sautia.
Referee: Steve Walsh (Australia)
Western Force v Lions
nib Stadium, Perth
These two teams are their respective countries' worst performing franchises in this year's competition and are both desperate to return to the victory trail.
The Force have only notched two victories in their campaign and are on a six-match winless streak while the Lions have not won a match since their triumph over the Cheetahs in the competition's opening round on February 25.
The match will have extra meaning for Lions boss John Mitchell who was the Force's boss between 2005 and 2010.
Mitchell, born in New Zealand, coached the Force in their first five years of existence before he came to Johannesburg. During that time, the Western Australians won 24 out of 65 matches.
Since he's come to South Africa, Mitchell has taken the Lions to four victories. This season has been especially tough, with injuries causing him some major headaches. However, they will be trying to end their Australasian tour on a high by wracking up that elusive win.
Two of the Lions' four Super Rugby victories under Mitchell came on tour, when they beat the Brumbies and Highlanders last year.
The Johannesburg-based franchise have been adventurous on tour and even though the results have not gone their way, they have looked dangerous when throwing the ball around.
They will back themselves against a Force team that have leaked 36 tries thus far in 2012, the same as the Lions.
The Force's season has imploded since the controversial sacking of their coach Richard Graham.
They went down by a single point in their clash to the Rebels last week and will fancy their chances against Mitchell's pride as they have held the upper-hand in matches between the sides since they made their debut in the competition in 2005.
In six previous matches between the sides the men from Perth have a record of: won four, lost one and drawn one.
This statistic bodes well for the home side but they can expect a difficult assignment against this Lions side who despite their woeful form this season will be highly motivated to secure a victory for their coach against his former side.
Prediction: Both sides are weak on defence so don't be surprised if this turns into a try feast. However, the Force should take the spoils as they are playing on their own turf. Force by six!
The teams:
Western Force: 15 Alfie Mafi, 14 Nick Cummins, 13 Will Tupou, 12 Rory Sidey, 11 Napolioni Nalaga, 10 Ben Seymour, 9 Brett Sheehan, 8 Ben McCalman, 7 David Pocock, 6 Matt Hodgson, 5 Nathan Sharpe, 4 Toby Lynn, 3 Salesi Ma'afu, 2 Nathan Charles, 1 Pek Cowan.
Replacements: 16 Elvis Taione, 17 Salesi Manu, 18 Phoenix Battye, 19 Richard Brown, 20 Lachlan McCaffrey, 21 Josh Holmes, 22 David Harvey.
Lions: 15 Andries Coetzee, 14 Deon Van Rensburg, 13 Lionel Mapoe, 12 Jaco Taute, 11 Michael Killian, 10 Elton Jantjies, 9 Tian Meyer, 8 Joshua Strauss (c), 7 Grant Hattingh, 6 Derick Minnie, 5 Ruan Botha, 4 Franco Van der Merwe, 3 Patric Cilliers, 2 Callie Visagie, 1 CJ Van der Linde.
Replacements: 16 Martin Bezuidenhout, 17 JC Janse van Rensburg, 18 Cobus Grobbelaar, 19 Jaco Kriel, 20 Ross Cronje, 21 Ruan Combrinck, 22 James Kamana.
Referee: Garratt Williamson (New Zealand)
Cheetahs v Waratahs
Free State Stadium, Bloemfontein
This could be the most evenly contested match of the weekend as these two teams are seperated by a single point on the table and both sides are eager to make amends after recent defeats.
The Cheetahs were competitive before going down to the Sharks in Bloemfontein, and the Waratahs had to settle for a bonus point for losing by less than seven in their match against the Stormers in Cape Town.
Things have gone pear-shaped for the Waratahs this season. The team's former forwards coach Michael Foley replaced Chris Hickey at the start of their campaign and despite plenty of enthusiasm at the start of the tournament, they have struggled to find consistency.
Under Hickey's guidance, the Waratahs reached last year's play-offs but they have little chance of matching that feat this year as they are currently languishing in eleventh spot on the table with 28 points from 12 matches.
Wallabies loose forward Wycliff Palu is their kingpin up front and when he puts in a big performance then his side are usually on the winning side. Amongst the backs, Berrick Barnes has impressed at fly-half but if the Waratahs want to win this clash they can't rely on the performances of individuals.
The Cheetahs are yet to put together a complete performance this season and their coach Naka Drotsk� knows his charges will have to improve considerably if they want to win this clash.
"We need to focus for 80 minutes - that will be the biggest challenge," said Drotsk�.
"Against the Sharks we also made mistakes on defence, where we gifted them a number of tries. This week we want to defend well and attack as much as possible for the entire game."
One of the main reasons for the Cheetahs slump in form is the loss of first-choice fly-half Johan Goosen, who sustained a serious shoulder injury in their Round 10 defeat to the Highlanders in Bloemfontein.
Since the 19-year-old's tournament-ending injury, Sias Ebersohn and Riaan Smit have both started in the Cheetahs' number 10 jersey but both players have failed deliver a performance to match Goosen's efforts from earlier in the campaign.
Prediction: Both teams have little to play for but the Waratahs have more experience in their ranks in key positions. It won't be easy, but Waratahs to win by three points.
The teams:
Cheetahs: 15 Hennie Daniller, 14 Rocco Jansen, 13 Robert Ebersohn, 12 Andries Strauss, 11 Willie le Roux, 10 Riaan Smit, 9 Piet van Zyl, 8 Philip van der Walt, 7 Ashley Johnson, 6 Heinrich Brussow, 5 Andries Ferreira, 4 Izak van der Westhuizen, 3 WP Nel, 2 Adriaan Strauss (capt), 1 Coenie Oosthuizen.
Replacements: 16 Hercu Liebenberg, 17 Trevor Nyakane, 18 Francois Uys, 19 Justin Downey, 20 Tewis de Bruyn, 21 Sias Ebersohn, 22 Philip Snyman.
Waratahs: 15 Bernard Foley, 14 Tom Kingston, 13 Rob Horne, 12 Adam Ashley-Cooper, 11 Drew Mitchell, 10 Berrick Barnes, 9 Brendan McKibbin, 8 Wycliff Palu, 7 Chris Alcock, 6 David Dennis, 5 Kane Douglas, 4 Sitaleki Timani, 3 Sekope Kepu, 2 Tatafu Polota-Nau, 1 Benn Robinson (capt).
Replacements: 16 John Ulugia, 17 Jeremy Tilse, 18 Richard Stanford, 19 Lopeti Timani, 20 Sarel Pretorius, 21 Daniel Halangahu, 22 Tom Carter.
Referee: Craig Joubert (South Africa)
Sharks v Stormers
Kings Park Stadium, Durban
There's plenty at stake in this clash between two of the tournament's in-form teams and traditional heavyweights of the South African game.
The Stormers are keen to consolidate their position at the top of the standings while the Sharks want to improve their position amongst the play-off contenders.
After an indifferent start to the tournament the Sharks have impressed in recent weeks. They have won their last three matches and scored 12 tries and conceded only three in the process.
Despite his team's fine form in recent weeks, Sharks coach John Plumtree knows a difficult task awaits his charges against the men from the Cape who have the best defence in the tournament.
"At the end of the day, each challenge is different and we have to make sure we remain focused on each week," he said.
"The Stormers are top of the log, an outstanding side and very clinical in what they do.
"They have enjoyed a lot of continuity in selection and they're a very efficient outfit, so we know that we're going to have to play very well to beat them on the weekend," added Plumtree.
While it's been raining tries in Durban, the Stormers are yet to register a bonus-point victory for scoring four or more tries this year.
That's a remarkable statistic considering that they have consistently been amongst the top three positions on the table since the start of the competition.
Earlier this season, the Stormers won a nail-biting affair (15-12) against the Sharks in Cape Town in Round Two and Stormers boss Allister Coetzee admitted that that result could easily have gone to the Sharks.
"We were a bit lucky to beat the Sharks in the second round at Newlands," he revealed.
"No tries were scored and we won by a late penalty from Peter Grant.
"They have great ball carriers and they will be looking to use them this time around. They had opportunities to win here, but it shows how difficult it is to win away from home.
"They have a quality pack with an entire Bok front row and lots of Boks in their back row as well, so we're under no illusions about how difficult it will be. But we have prepared well and we are looking forward to the match," added Coetzee.
Prediction: South African derbies are usually physical affairs and this could be the most brutal clash of the weekend. Although the Stormers have the best defence, the hosts' recent form suggest that they will be victorious. Sharks by five points!
The teams:
Sharks: 15 Patrick Lambie, 14 JP Pietersen, 13 Paul Jordaan, 12 Meyer Bosman, 11 Lwazi Mvovo, 10 Frederic Michalak, 9 Charl McLeod, 8 Keegan Daniel (capt), 7 Willem Alberts, 6 Marcell Coetzee, 5 Anton Bresler, 4 Steven Sykes, 3 Jannie du Plessis, 2 Bismarck du Plessis, 1 Tendai Mtawarira.
Replacements: 16 Craig Burden, 17 Wiehahn Herbst, 18 Pieter-Steph du Toit, 19 Ryan Kankowski, 20 Jacques Botes, 21 Odwa Ndungane, 22 Louis Ludik.
Stormers: 15 Gio Aplon, 14 Gerhard van den Heever, 13 Juan de Jongh, 12 Jean de Villiers (capt), 11 Bryan Habana, 10 Peter Grant, 9 Dewaldt Duvenage, 8 Jebb Sinclair, 7 Rynhardt Elstadt, 6 Siya Kolisi, 5 Andries Bekker, 4 Eben Etzebeth, 3 Brok Harris, 2 Tiaan Liebenberg, 1 Steven Kitshoff.
Replacements: 16 Deon Fourie, 17 Frans Malherbe, 18 De Kock Steenkamp, 19 Don Armand, 20 Nick Fenton-Wells, 21 Louis Schreuder, 22 Burton Francis.
Referee: Jaco Peyper (South Africa)


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So far we've heard only from community members in the U.S. What do our community members in other countries think about Sarah Palin and her policies as concern women?
I don't want to confuse the issue. Women have been fighting for equal rights and empowerment since the beginning of time. We've made some improvements but we have a long way to go. If we were to support a candidate simply because of her gender we would be no better than someone who discriminated against us for being women. Wouldn't that be a double standard?
Joe Biden has supported issues benefitting women during his entire tenure in the Senate. Should we discriminate against him when comparing VP candidates because he's a man?
I don't believe Ms. Palin's policies are empowering to women or the country. That's what we should be talking about!!
I will reiterate in response to Karen above that in my view, the very idea that Sarah Palin's candidacy is somehow a banner event is myopic, not only in terms of being completely US-centric (other countries have had women leaders for decades), but even in terms of its own recent history (Geraldine Ferraro was on the ticket in the 80s). There is a story on this site about the novelty frame, which ghettoizes women's achievement. I think the media focus on Palin as a women is very much snared in that trap.
Excellent point Quinn. The Women, Power and Politics Timeline offers an overview of women leaders throughout history and the world.
Sarah Palin. She has really been on my mind a lot lately. Her speech at the Republican National Convention stumped me. She was good, gosh, wasn't she?
Who would have expected a politician who has been a governor for 2 whole years representing a population of people so small that some larger cities in other states outnumber it, would be that comfortable and that savvy in front of that many people. After all, the entire nation was watching, glued to their television screens.
Although she had nothing to do with writing that speech, I admit that she executed it with skill, poise, and remarkable--and for Republicans much needed and often lacking--charisma.
But all I could think of was: Another DEMAGOGUE in sheep's (read: woman's) clothing.
As a woman and a liberal thinker who cares about the environment, our children futures, education and health care, I would NEVER vote for Sarah Palin.
I just don't agree with anything she stands for. Nothing at all. Not a smidgen of something. The two of us are from Venus and Mars.
A woman (or man) who does not espouse women's issues is not somebody I would ever vote for. As a woman, I want my rights protected at all times, at all costs.
Finally, I just want to say something that has been on my mind a lot: ABORTION is not a Republican issue. It is not a Democrat issue. It is not a party issue. Because many Democrats are anti-choice. And many Republicans are pro-choice.
It is a WOMEN'S issue and an issue that Sarah Palin does not espouse. As a result, in my opinon, she does not represent me, a woman.
Read this interesting article on U.S. WOMEN VOTERS and patterns of women's voting in the Women, Power and Politics exhibition. It might help answer some questions.
I watched Palin's speech on the television for as long as I could stomach the conservative rhetoric. Will women, teenagers, and young girls look to Palin as proof that women are valued and can be part of the political sphere? Or will they look and see that if you want to be accepted as a woman in politics you have to toe the conservative party line and decimate your sex politically and socially?
The Sarah Palin VP nomination is very disturbing and it is not good for women. The way that men and the media already treat her, i.e. don't ask her tough questions because she's a woman, already says to me that men don't respect her. When people only pick up on the fact that she is pretty, that is also demeaning to any other positive characteristics she has. After having her last baby, she went back to work after two days. What does this tell men? That this is normal and women shouldn't get a maternity leave? It seems like everything women have fought for up until now, could take a big step back. Just having a "woman" in office does not advance women as a whole. I am scared of a possible McCain presidency.
I am not sure Sarah Palin is the right person to help woman even though she seems very liberal with har family. I am not in accordance with her opinion on terrorism and war; there is a dichotomy between her ideas of family liberty and a nation's liberty. Plus her religious posture is very conservative.
I was glad at first that a woman was chosen to be a VP UNTIL it dawned on me that she was chosen as a mere trophy VP. Reading about her, I learned (as most of you here have already pointed out) that she is anti-choice, anti-gays, would ban books in a library if she could, etc.
This morning, I read an article in Huffington Post saying that she is Dick Cheney with a lipstick, the neo-con's prized entry to this election. Add that to the fact that she's a heartbeat away from the presidency due to McCain's old age, that's scary.
In answer to Masum's questions (sorry I didn't read it entirely) - I don't think she's a good choice. Her candidacy doesn't advance women in politics but does quite oppposite, brings us a step back, in my humble opinion.
Just because someone has benefited from feminism does not mean they are a feminist.
Looking beyond her pretty face, it's evident that she's not qualified for the job.
NOTE TO U.S. MEDIA: Ask Sarah Palin the tough questions!
On September 14, a protest originally organized by a small group of women over coffee swelled to well over 1400, making it the largest political rally in Alaskan history. The Alaska Women Reject Palin rally was, in fact, larger than her very own Welcome Home rally held the same day in Anchorage. Women and men waved signs with slogans, including the humorous (if ageist) "McCain and Palin: Incontinent and Incompetent."
When I first heard about the Palin nomination, I was surprised the McCain camp would choose someone with such a short political resume - especially because their main criticism of Obama stemmed from his inexperience.
But as the (obsessive) Palin talk continues in media, liberal and women's circles, I'm starting to feel on the defense about Sarah Palin.
The jabs have gone from being critical of her political resume to downright ridiculing her unique experiences as a woman. I think this is offensive to women's contributions in traditional roles of caretakers and nurturers. Raising the next generation of humans is no trivial task. Women have been steered towards these social roles of caretakers and now they're being ridiculed for them. Can we win?
Some of the main ridicules I've seen have come from liberal women themselves! Liberal women are attacking Palin every chance they get. Is this the sort of women's movement we want to build? In attacking Palin, are we cutting off our nose to spite our face -- as they say here in the U.S.? Or are we just being responsibly critical?
Not to generalize men, but it seems to me that the men in power just love to see women squabble over the few leadership positions that have opened up for us. Are we just engaged in the same old cat fight?
It seems to me like a classic case of divide and conquer and I'm growing increasingly more conflicted about it. Is anyone else?
Renee, reading your comment I thought of this cartoon I saw a couple of days ago. I agree that current belittling by some of Sarah Palin and her personal life is offensive. Personally, I am only interested in her political views, past social, political, economic and environmental decisions and her future intentions for this country. I'm not impressed by any of the latter.
As an American working abroad, I haven't been deluged by the presidential election coverage, but I am familiar enough with the respective Veep choices and their political positions. I have mixed emotions over Sarah Palin. While, I totally disagree with many of her beliefs, I do think it is phenomenal to see a woman with 5 children on a national party ticket for Veep. At the very least, she's representing the idea that women can and do, do it all and that's pretty commendable. I thought the foundational values of the women's movement advocated for diversity and tolerance of other religious and politically differing views. Does the struggle for equality end only when we all have the same uniform beliefs, (especially on matters that shouldn't be politicized in the first place, such as marriage and abortion).
For me (a registered independent voter), it comes down to being torn between female representation in the White House and representation of my personal values and beliefs. As for Obama, his pick of Joe Biden made me want to puke. He ran a campaign on "Change," but chooses one of the most deeply entrenched Washington insiders, who has been in office for more than half of his life – over 35 years as a Senator - to be his running mate. Actions speak louder than words, right? The security of Afghanistan has deteriorated as militant attacks have sharply risen over the past 18 months. During this same time period, Obama has served as chair of a senate oversight committee which is partly responsible for monitoring such foreign affairs as Afghanistan. Yet he has not held one single meeting, because according to him, "I became chairman of this committee, at the beginning of this campaign-at the beginning of 2007, so it is true that we haven't had oversight hearings on Afghanistan" (transcript for Obama/Clinton primary debate in Texas). How come it appears no one is questioning the merits of a presidential candidate (rather more attention has recently been focused on the experience of a Veep candidate) in which the majority of his experience is attributed to running a campaign more so than that of actual legislating time in office? When did experience garnered in running a political campaign count for political leadership (i.e. Bush/Rove 2004 presidential campaign was successful by 3% over Kerry, yet Bush's approval rating at the day of his swearing in was barely 50%, the lowest of any president for the previous 80 years, which has only fallen to the even more historic low of 25% today)? While we are on the subject of criticizing candidates for experience (apparently Hillary had too much, while Sarah has too little), we need to take a look at what kind of experience really matters. Why are we discounting the experience women gain in such traditional roles as "PTA and hockey mom." Would a woman discussing her child's education and school matters, especially controversial issues such as proposed school closures and relocation, use different communication and negotiation skills to have discussions with world leaders? Does a mother multi-task any differently than any politician on Capital Hill – granted she's multi-tasking to support the lives of her children rather than juggling legislative bills and committees with the aid of dozens of staffers and assistants. In the end, this debate over what qualifies as "acceptable" experience may only further serve to deter other women, especially young women, from running for office. It's like damned if you do have experience (Hillary) and damned if you don't (Sarah). The reality remains that in terms of women's representation in public office, the US pathetically pales in comparison to other less-developed countries with younger democracies.
I've just witnessed an historical election in Uttarakhand, India in which 30,000 women were elected to local government seats across the state, thereby achieving 50% representation. For the vast majority of these women, it is their first foray into the political arena and for many it is the first time they have participated in institutions outside of the family. If these women candidates weren't supported by their women peers, but were instead criticized in the same fashion that American women are criticizing Palin, they wouldn't have succeeded. Indeed, they would have likely "stayed at home." The reality is that these women have loads of experience that can transfer to their new roles and positions. They are the bedrock of society, taking care of home, family, and tending to the fields. Often the survival of their children depends solely and directly on them as many men have migrated to the cities. These women are the caretakers of the environment and manage the natural resources in their daily agricultural work. So again, I have to ask my American peers to examine their definitions of experience and what kind of experience it takes to be a strong leader. I have to ask that we stop undervaluing ourselves and daily life responsibilities because the demands and pressures of raising a child is on par to that of making tough executive decisions in the office of the Presidency!
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Aside from a dedicated theater downstairs, the kitchen is where Jeff Kalish and Cindi Baptiste prefer to do most of their entertaining. It's no wonder. Any song from their 600-plus collection of CDs is at their fingertips from anywhere in the space. They can pull up a random selection of jazz tunes while they prepare dinner, then switch to piano classics while they dine. There's also pop, instrumental, rock and other genres to select, and thanks to special software installed on the family PC, Jeff and Cindi can group together a variety of songs for a special event at a moment's notice. "The system is a great icebreaker when they have parties," says project designer Jamie Wedel of the Home Theater Store in Kennesaw, GA.
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The music travels over speaker wire to a pair of round Paradigm speakers mounted in the ceiling. Using the touchpanel, the homeowners can add rooms to the music network so that the same song that's playing in the kitchen can be enjoyed elsewhere. Or they can opt to sequester the tunes to the kitchen—a good choice when someone's playing a movie through the 5.1 surround-sound system in the nearby family room.
Jeff and Cindi can also use a smaller, hard-button remote to operate the hard disk–style whole-house music system. With a few button presses, the 42-inch plasma in the family room can display the same CD jacket covers and information available through the Control4 touchpanel. Thanks to embedded WiFi technology, the touchpanel and remote can communicate with the Control4 server from anywhere in the house, which means Jeff and Cindi can keep their music collection with them wherever they go.
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The explaination (following the sounds you made) when you tried to cool off the scorching hot food you prematurely shoved into your mouth and couldn't spit out.
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I think most other druid tanks would agree, and I could be wrong, that its more preference when you choose, and a good balance of both stam and agi is whats important.
I just wanted to ask the opinions of the fellow druid tanks out there... what's better in your minds. +30 stam gems in every slot, +30 stam in blues and yellows, and reds with + 20 agi?
Basically the question is... is HP or Savage Defense more important?
I think most other druid tanks would agree, and I could be wrong, that its more preference when you choose, and a good balance of both stam and agi is whats important.
Most of the feral tanks that I have seen shoot for about 1k agility and after that stack stam. This will allow you to keep a good amount of threat and survivability. Depending on your gear that is around 40% dodge 65% damage mitigation from armor.
Stamina scales better, given the limited amount of either stat available via gems. I have 2 rules:
1. If the socket is Red and the bonus is either Stamina or Agility - socket shifting purple gem.
2. All else - solid blue.
Your dps/tps gains much greater returns from hit/exp/str than from agility. Unless you're desperately in need of avoidance, stack stam. If you are in desperate need, you probably don't have gear that deserves epic gems anyway.
Everyone talks about the 'worst case scenario' and gearing for that, which means, for some reason, stacking stamina. Worst case, to me, is that 1 second where you get no heals and you've been parried twice (Auto attack and ability) and eat 2 20K hits back-to-back. If you have 40K HP, awesome, you live and your healers get the boss' swing timer to get you back up, if you don't, you die.
Granted, the exact numbers are fudgeable, but once you have enough stamina to survive 2 consecutive hits, why do you care about stamina? It's infeasible to get enough HP to survive 3, so what's the point of that extra HP buffer that isn't realistically going to make a difference.
Sure, if you have 43K HP and you eat that worst case, the healers have only 17K to heal you to survive the next hit, opposed to 19K on the tank who only has 41K HP, but wouldn't it be wiser to reduce the odds of the 'worst case' by investing that extra itemization into avoidance or expertise or (in the case of a Paladin at least) Block Value/Strength?
I know this proverbial horse has probably been proverbially beaten into it's third life, but any reasonable answer addressing these specific queries would be greatly appreciated. Or perhaps direction to where they have already been answered if in fact they have already been answered.
EDIT: I suppose I should say "was not adapted for ulduar" since it is no longer highest end content, and things in Trial seem to hit less fearsomely at-gear level than things in Ulduar, making stamina a bit more valuable as it is more feasible to gain the ability to survive "one more hit".
As you can see I am fan of stamina. I know some druids look at me and shake their heads. I got a bit over 54k fully buffed. My reasoning for gemming stamina over agi is that avoidance is superior when mana is an issue (vezax hardmode for example). We have never ever wiped because healers went out of mana (I cant recall that occassion at least).
So I fully agree Barta's last paragraph.
Don't get me wrong, I'm not discounting the value of agility or avoidance in general, but I can't get past the diminishing returns on avoidance. Also, like adizs, I cannot recall a wipe caused by our healers running out of mana. In addition, the warrior tank that I always run with has me beat on avoidance without question, but I have the edge on effective health - our healers always prefer me tanking the big hitters. I do not mind being over-geared or having too much stamina, and while I don't pretend to do the math behind it, I do know one thing: look at top-end tanks (of any class); they stack stamina. And they continue to stack stamina after they've cleared content. You simply can't go wrong stacking stamina in my opinion, especially given the fact that I give up only minimal gains on avoidance, and virtually zero gains on threat by gearing the way I do.
See, I think that after the nerf we got on stamina, agility got really more interesting.
The way I gear up is, I set up a stamina roof buffed and after I reach such roof I'll stack agility until my eyes bleed. Right now my roof is 46k health. I'm currently at 55 avoidance, 46k health and 35k armor.
I also keep a stam whore set. (Polar set with + Stamina on everything, + Stamina trinkets) that I will replace in for those fights where magic damage prevails. With that set I have 54k health and 45% avoidance.


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The other argument to this, after rereading my post, is I'm sure everyone is thinking "but what if it DOES proc, and you now have an added 85 agi than what you would have had in a bad situation".
I tend to err on the side of caution. Maybe I'm wrong, maybe it's just a frame of mind.
What do you think?


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