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how are you determining which ability is the most beneficial? TDR?
Hey folks
I wrote this neat addon that estimates Shield Barrier and Shield Block mitigation and indicates what ability will be most beneficial at any given time. The addon also displays remaining duration, remaining absorb on Shield Barrier when active, and total amount blocked by Shield Block when active.
The addon can be found here:
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how are you determining which ability is the most beneficial? TDR?
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Hunters, Just get a Sporebat, most LFRs will be missing that buff.
Here, the (min(60, rage) / 60)-part is the scaling.Code:absorb = max(2 * (attackPower - 2 * strength), stamina * 2.5) * (min(60, rage) / 60)
For Shield Block I keep track of incoming, blockable, damage during the last 6 seconds. Then I can tell how much you would have mitigated if Shield Block had been active. I also take your critical block from mastery into account when estimating Shield Block mitigation.
The addon then simply compares the two numbers (it also displays each of them) and indicates what ability is most feasible.
Sbar does scale linearly with Rage. I wasn't questioning how you calculated the exact values, i was asking what metric do you use to determine whether SB or Sbar is more appropriate.
So, you are just comparing Total Damage Reduction?
Last edited by Tengenstein; 11-05-2012 at 02:25 AM.
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Hunters, Just get a Sporebat, most LFRs will be missing that buff.
And yes, I simply compare total damage reduction. If you have a better suggestion I'm all ears
Does the addon differentiate between blockable and non-blockable damage or melee and magic damage? What about cases like the first boss in HoF where you have phases of blockable melee swings followed by a high physical non-blockable damage phase. How would the addon cope with this kind of situation?
Would the addon blindly trust its damage taken metric and recommend SB when the mechanics of the damage favour SBar instead?
I think the addon is potentially great, the way it presents the information is awesome, get an in game config UI and it would be stellar, but how it decides what to suggest you use just seems to be to much of a simplification. The metric is poor so the suggestion is likewise. Ideally i'd like to be able to move and resize the frames in game, and separate the Sbar and SB portions of it. Most of all just getting rid of flashy gold border when the addon thinks i should something, the option to turn that off would be really really nice.
EDIT: the only time TDR matters is if all your healers are dead or oom, in which case your raid has bigger issues than the damage the tank is taking.
Last edited by Tengenstein; 11-05-2012 at 07:34 AM.
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Hunters, Just get a Sporebat, most LFRs will be missing that buff.
As a side note: The non-blockable damage you speak of is also non-absorbable so you are screwed either way
Last edited by Twattle; 11-05-2012 at 08:10 AM.
However there is a hell of alot of fights that have non-blockable, yet absorbable damage.
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Hunters, Just get a Sporebat, most LFRs will be missing that buff.
Regarding TDR as a metric I don't think I totally agree with you. I agree that you want to avoid large damage spikes, but in my experience Shield Barrier is just as well suited for that job as Shield Block is, provided that it has the highest TDR. Let me clarify: First of all, I think we can agree that you shouldn't wait using Shield Barrier until you are at 60 rage, since it scales linearly anyways. Second, the point at which it begins to get "unsmooth" is when your Shield Barrier gets eaten away quickly and it takes a long time to build rage for a new one. In my experience, this is exactly the point where Shield Block begins to show the highest TDR. I can't recall taking really spiky damage while continuously popping small Shield Barriers as the addon reported it as having the highest TDR. But then again, I am only doing a bit of Mogu'shan Vaults 10-man, so if you have another experience please tell. Also, if you have an idea of how to incorporate damage spikyness in the metric, please tell.
Incorporating damage "spikyness" as a metric has always been hard, this was the focal point of the discussion back on WotLK with respect to EHP vs. Avoidance tanking. You're comparing two very different things that are relevant in two very different realms. It's like saying X class is the best DPS because they have the highest burst when in PvP you might care about that but in PvE even if you have high burst that means jack crap if you're still lowest total DPS. Kind of a bad analogy but it's sort of the inverse for tanking. If your total damage taken is low that's great, but if you take large spike damage you're still going to die because that's hard to heal against. It's far better to take more damage that is less spiky than less damage but with larger spikes.
Okay, now that we're out of the sort of "large abstract picture" let's get into the nitty gritty about shield block vs. shield barrier. And honestly, it completely depends on the boss fight and the functions of damage. For example: how much melee swings hurt. Blocks, and subsequently critical blocks, are not a raw number like shield barrier is. It's a percentage, so the harder the hit, the better it is to block something because it's higher damage reduction per rage. The other benefits come in the form of rage generation (crit blocks are more likely while sblock is up which gives you more rage) and duration.
A hard hitting melee boss can really take a toll on you if you're not mitigating the swings, and now much is mitigated, again will depend on boss mechanics and your rage generation, but let's say you've got a big sbar saved up and the boss swings at you and you absorb all of it. Now you have to hope that no damage in any other form comes in before you get your next sbar up, or you'll probably take a big hit to the face, which makes healers panic and lose mana. Healers prefer consistent damage intake with good room for error to heal you in time. But even if you get another (smaller) sbar up, will the smaller sbar absorb as much damage as the shield block? And be more consistent? The answer is no.
Now, this does often times depend on boss mechanics, sources of incoming damage, etc. For example if you are the tank tanking two of the guards on the first boss in MV, shield block is DEFINITELY going to be better because it will prevent more damage and less spikey damage. Shield Barrier is going to be GCD limited and will not make for a smooth damage profile compared to sblock, even if you can absorb more of the bleed damage which is a high percentage of your damage intake. The bleed damage is predictable and consistent though, that's not the hard part to heal. The hard part to heal is if both guards land unblocked melee attacks on you at the same time. That's when your healers panic or you have to blow a cooldown or they lose mana, and if they occurs at the wrong time, like when an explosion comes off, you can die and wipe the raid. Will you 100% of the time? No. Is it possible to just use sbar? Probably. Is it optimal? no. Is it higher TDR? Maybe, but it is much much harder to heal.
The converse example would be if you are MTing Feng. In phase 1 it's better to use Sbar because the damage is slow and predictable and you can't block while stunned. Sblock is much much better for phase 2. But for Phase 2 he hits too hard and too fast to just spam Sbar and the fire damage is predictable, again it's taking big melee hits that will wig your healers out. I found the healers preferred it when I did sblock as much as possible and just filled in with sbar as needed, especially after banking rage during a taunt rotation or something. Often times right when you taunt is the hardest time to keep a tank up because healers are still trying to heal up the previous tank while healing you at the same time. Having a full 120 rage and dropping both sblock and sbar here really helps with that.
These are just two examples, I'm sure there are plenty more.
The point here isn't that shield block is better and should always be used over sbar, or that sbar is better and there's no reason for warriors to have sblock on their bars at all, but rather that both of their place and you have to be intelligent about which you use on what boss mechanics to be the best "tank". Instantaneous/burst damage IS more important than total damage reduction as a tank, but sometimes sbar can give better instantaneous/burst reduction, depending on the boss mechanic. And sometimes sblock is up and you need to fill gaps with a trinket or sbar or other cooldowns. But overall the best "damage profile" you will get from a boss where melee swings hurt is going to be with shield block, and that doesn't even count the other benefits of blocking or crit blocking and damage scaling and yadda yadda yadda.
Anyways, TL;DR, shield block is sort of the "bread and butter" but shield barrier is definitely useful and has its place in EVERY boss fight. Both need to be used and used intelligently to have the best damage intake profile. Using one and not the other is NOT the answer to this question. Can you get by with just sbar in normals? Probably. If I were to hop on your toon and make intelligent active mitigation decisions instead of blindly pressing sbar would your healers prefer it? Probably.
Honestly there's a lot of bitching about warriors I feel like, especially wrt sblock and sbar and hit/exp/mastery, but the more and more I play more warrior, the more and more I feel like blizzard just nailed prot warriors and made it fun to tank and use active decision making for specific abilities instead of just a ridiculously simple blind man's rotation that you use sitting in front of a boss mindlessly pressing buttons while you watch TV and you could screw up the rotation miserably and no one would notice. Not so much any more, and I LIKE it.
Except for level 90 talents for prot, blizz really dropped the ball on that. WTF bliz?
Edits: I made them.
Last edited by Aggathon; 11-05-2012 at 08:52 AM.
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Post 2: now what would make this addon awesome is if it could calculate damage profiles on the fly based on parsing your combat log. If you could see if you had lots of peaks and valleys and what those looked like during what abilities you were using and put it in some sort of damage taken or healing required real time graph, that would be AMAZING. I'd use the shit out of that because a lot of the "damage smoothing" and "damage profile" stuff I talk about is, admittedly, guess work where I go, "okay healers, what was better, 1 or 2? 1 or 2? okay now 2 or 3? 2 or 3? Okay so 2? Okay now 2 or 1?" And then just kinda looking at logs and trying to compare previous attempts. It's really a pain in the ass. If you had something that could compile that on a simple on-the-fly readout it would be hands down the best tanking add-on ever.
What would also be awesome is if the graph was based off of like hit points remaining and instantaneous healer mana used or something. ACTUALLY... what would be really neat would be to compare mana per second used by your healers depending on ability. Right? 'cuz the whole assumption is burst time and healer mana. If you didn't die they technically your burst time was low enough, so the next metric is stress on healers.
Damn I wish I didn't hate coding with a burning passion and love data so very very much.
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Thanks a lot for your input Aggathon, although at first it sounded like you were arguing that the abilities are situational, on which we all agreed in the first place.
I think it is indeed possible to create that addon of your dreams, but personaly I don't have the time.
I still think that TDR is a pretty good metric to display as long as you know the fight and act accordingly. In the Will of the Emperor encounter I always use Shield Block after devastating combos even though the addon suggests otherwise (because you were awesome and had 0 incoming damage), but that is also because in the periods between devastating combo streaks, the TDR is a lot higher for Shield Block. My point is that I am yet to experience really spiky damage by using Shield Barrier in situations where it has higher TDR than Shield Block. If you haven't tried the addon, please give it a whirl and see what you think.
I am arguing that they are situational, but what I'm saying is the situation isn't "TDR" it's "Damage Profile". I think maybe there is a jargon dispute between "TDR" and "DR". TDR being total damage reduction being better for the entire fight, versus instantaneous damage reduction and how it continues to affect damage intake for the rest of the fight. Just because I can drop a huge sbar and block 90% of an attack doesn't mean it's a good idea to take the next one in the face when I could have blocked both of them and had a much smoother damage profile.
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Reviving this again to start a discussion on how to estimate spiky damage.
@Aggathon: Your "graph" is a bit too black and white. I think the situation is more like this:
Shield Barrier: __________\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/
Shield Block : vvvvvvvvvvvvvvvvvvvvvvvv
Now the question is how to detect, or rather foresee, this damage pattern. If there is no chance of gigantic hits then "_______________\/\" is usually better on healer mana than "vvvvvvvvvvvvvvvv", but where to draw the line?
I am thinking of letting the addon estimate incoming dps for each ability and chose the one with the lowest maximum over a certain time period (6 seconds for example). The downside to this is that if the Shield Barrier lasts for almost the entire duration, but only mitigates 29% of the last hit, then Shield Block will show as superior even though Shield Barrier would have been much lighter on healer mana.
What are your thoughts?
In-game UI first.
You can't forsee random game events like when you're going to take a hit string just before a big unblockable hit. I disagree that not taking any damage and then taking two massive hits is better for healer mana than not taking any damage and then suddenly taking two hit the face, that exactly what makes healing DPS a pain in the arse becuase they don't take damage and then they suddenly do and you have to react to it. the only time that isn't a problem with tanks is if the damage is trivial and if tank damage is trivial tank survival and all things related to them are a a non-issue.
How your addon represents the abilities is fine, you need to sour out an in game ui, but either use a metric like agg suggested with healing required or mana used
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Hunters, Just get a Sporebat, most LFRs will be missing that buff.
I never said that not taking any damage and then taking two massive hits was good for healer mana (or for yourself for that matter). Let me exemplify a bit:
Say you take 101 1k hits within 6 seconds. A 100k Shield Barrier will result in 1k dmg, the 1k being the highest hit. Shield Block would result in 70.7k dmg (not accounting for critical blocks) with 700 being the highest hit. What I mean is that obviously Shield Barrier is best in this situation, but it is hard to detect.
I guess that by in-game UI you mean a UI for configuration? Maybe I'll add some chat-commands and a lockable drag-handle, but that is all. I am better motivated to work on the metrics, since that improves my own experience with the addon.
But going back to the metrics; I don't think it is possible to predict how much healer mana is being spent on you. My best ide so far is to use som kind of weighted comparison using TDR and Highest DPS Spike (HDS), maybe 0.2 * TDR + 0.8 * HDS. The weights could be customizable of course.
right so assuming you have a 50% damage reduction from armour the raw damage is 2K, swing time ~0.06 seconds which means you're going to get 180 AP from Vengeance and your 60 rage Sbar is going to absorb 360 damage (ignoring stam scaling minmum and +10%AP). as long as ALL of the damage and vengeance is coming in the form of Blockable damage Sbar just won't be big enough to last near it's duration, you'd need a very slow swing timer (Qiang or chimaeron) or a huge RPS so that you can get 60 rage Sbars up for each and every hit. or another non-blockable source of damage that pump up vengeance, which usually would be a great place to use Sbar like on say Zor'lok's exhales or force and verve.
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Hunters, Just get a Sporebat, most LFRs will be missing that buff.
I still don't think you understand what I mean. Atleast your answer seems unrelated to the topic of predicting what ability is best in a given situation.
You don't need to argument for or against a certain damage scenario. I assume that all of them are possible and want to predict a damage pattern in order to find the best ability amongst Shield Barrier and Shield Block.
Last edited by Twattle; 11-20-2012 at 01:10 AM.
Not to jump in to a thread without having followed it at all...but actually yeah that's exactly what I'm going to do...
If you really want to have a good predictive model you should record damage patterns on bosses and the gear people are wearing when doing it and the abilities they're using into a big database and then run some real statistical analysis on it to give you a good predictive model. It's not going to be particularly useful to small-sample guess against this sort of thing. Plus the viability of TDR as a metric at all is questionable at best. What you want to be able to have is a model that predicts the smoothest possible damage intake for a given set of gear on a given encounter...and that requires a LOT of data to determine properly.
The problem you're trying to solve is probably a solvable one (and, honestly, a pretty interesting one), but the method you're going about it isn't apt to get you (necessarily) interesting results. Someone like WoL might be able to if they were willing to run the statistical analyses...but even they would need to fetch more data than they collect.
Now, you can probably make pretty decent guesses even in a simple mod, but it's going to be extremely tricky...
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chibi art raffleah so i was tossing up whether to do a raffle or kiriban and decided on a raffle since it's probably going to end first hahaha. anyway! i finally have some time to draw and since i haven't been too active until lately i've decided to have a little watcher-appreciation-raffle. so it'll be some kind of chibi, i haven't yet decided yet but here's a good mix of how i draw them below and in my gallery tooi'm pretty sure faves are numbered so i'll be using a random number generator to pick out the winner! the rules are pretty simple:fave the journalreply below with references of the character you want drawni'll update this journal with the winners!this raffle will last a week starting from now! so thats from the 23rd of november to the 30th of novemberoh please make sure you've faved and commented by the end of the rafflle!i'll be red
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Post subject: Klingon desperately seeking advice on killing Hydrans
I'm facing Hydrans in four days time ( scenario 8CM36,communique 48 ) and not have very much experience fighting them (about four to six time over my whole SFB & FC flight time) am looking for some basic tactical hints, can some one please help and give me some pointers. Many thanks in advance.
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Aim low!
Seriously, the bext offense against Hydrans is to keep moving and stay out of range.Expet a long, running battle as you will want to stay at range and the Hydrans will want to close to 4 hexes or less (preferably 2 to 0) wheretheir Fusion Beams are most effective.
If you can control the range, you cna control the battle.
Speed will also help you avoid those pesky little STingers. For such a small unit, they pack a really big wallop.
Our group has found that longer range shots aimming simply to cripplethe Stingers before they can employ their Fusion Beams is an effect anti-Stinger defense.
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Generally speaking, if you get in close (range 3 or less) to the Hydran, you are inviting death for one of your ships every other turn. Just remember the Hellbore can always hurt you if you have a down shield, and the fusions will tear you apart at close range. (Not sure what the armament is for the CC in the scenario, but the fighters are usually the biggest pain) You may want to dedicate some of your drones to harass the fighters, or snipe them with disruptors before you go after the cruiser. I would try to keep some drones in flight at all times to soak up some of his fire. Basically you have to keep hitting him while not allowing him to get his best shot at you, so it will boil down to which weapons he has.
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Greetings from the Klingon Empire in Kingston.
Which Hydrans?
They come in three different flavours. Each and every Hydran player I've met swears by their personal preference.
Hellbore heavy squadrons have nearly as much ranged firepower as you and those nasty gatlings at very close range. Heavy phaser range is very good for Klingons against them. So range 15 shots followed by range 3 if you're feeling brave and are phaser 2 heavy (fusions and gatlings don't really kick in until range 2 and they, not the phaser 2s, are the real killers), 5 if you're phaser 1 heavy or 8 if a lot of their ships are small
on a turn they have very few hellbores up
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charge. Keep moving away and keep firing. Knock down front shields even if you do slightly less internals. Drones will keep them from EMing. Target weapons (a rule I hope will someday be dropped) and consider saving power to transport marines when one of your shields goes down as they don't have as many guns as other races.
Mixed squadrons are my personal preference. They can afford for their charge to not quite get to you as you don't have as many guns facing aft as they do facing forward. Or they can loiter at a slower speed using the power for reinforcement whilst you try desperately to prevent your speed 24 plot from hauling you out of prime position. On a positive note you have more ranged firepower and the more solid (15 or closer) shots you can pump into them the greater your chance of victory.
Enjoy, it's a fun match up.
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I'm curious as to how the battle went for you? I like to play Klingons and going up against a Hydran is always a good challenge. Those Stingers will rip you to shreds if you let them. I know...I once lost a C7 Battle Cruiser to them!
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In May 2014, the Department of Medical Education became the Department of Learning Health Sciences (DLHS). Under our new name and mission, the department focuses on the concept of learning as it applies to all levels in the context of health. These areas include:
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Most of today's soundbars are one-trick ponies, offering an important upgrade over your TV's built-in crappy speakers. Some do a decent job of creating a three-dimensional soundfield that simulates a 5.1 system, while some make hookup easy via one or two cables and wireless subwoofers. The new Sonos PLAYBAR does both, but goes far beyond being just a TV speaker replacement. The PLAYBAR may be the most sophisticated speaker product you can get, though it still won't be enough for some people.
Sonos' main product line is composed of a variety of speakers and connection devices designed to make multiroom music easy for anyone. With a Sonos system, you can access a wide variety of streaming music sources (Pandora, Slacker, Spotify, Rhapsody, etc.), as well as your own digital music selection, all over a wireless mesh network that covers your house. A basic Sonos system includes a gateway that connects to your Internet router and speakers and/or amplifiers to spread Sonos to the room(s) where you want music (read about the Sonos PLAY:3 speaker here and the Sonos Sub here). You can choose your music and set the volume through a remote app for either iOS or Android. In addition, control systems such as Control4 and URC's Total Control also provide integration with the Sonos environment.
The PLAYBAR is quite an advanced piece of engineering, being built around nine drivers—six midrange drivers and three tweeters, all custom designed in-house and manufactured by Sonos. The drivers are mounted on a 45-degree angle, allowing the speaker to be hung flat on a wall or rest on a tabletop with no change in the directionality of the speaker. Two of the three tweeters are mounted on the ends of the unit, at angles that help create a wide, enveloping soundfield. Each drive unit is powered by its own Sonos-designed class D amplifier. More than 20 different automatic tunings help create the PLAYBAR's sound.
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Like the other parts of the Sonos family, the PLAYBAR is extremely easy to set up and use. Going from unpacking to use will take a person about 10 minutes. The speaker's connection include an AC power cord and a digital optical cable for the audio. You can connect the speaker to your home network with an Ethernet cable to your router or wirelessly via a Sonos Bridge, if your router isn't near the TV. The ideal user is someone who already has a Sonos system in the house and wants to add the PLAYBAR. In any case, once connected to the home network, Sonos sets up its own Wi-Fi network to speak to other Sonos components in the house.
The PLAYBAR doesn't come with a remote, so you won't be adding to your living room's remote clutter. For most of the speaker's tricks, you'll need the smartphone app. However, for simply adjusting the volume, the PLAYBAR lets you use your TV's existing remote via a built-in IR sensor in the speakers. The PLAYBAR's app includes step-by-step instructions to set up that trick. Being able to use your TV's remote (or your DVR remote, which is what I did) will be a big relief for people who were worried that they'd have to flip on an iPhone app every time they wanted to turn the volume down during commercials.
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So what can a PLAYBAR do that other soundbars can't? A lot, actually. In fact, its TV speaker capabilities are far from the most interesting thing about it.
First, the PLAYBAR can easily be laid flat on a table or hung on a wall (wall-mounting hardware costs extra). A built-in orientation sensor changes the system's EQ to accommodate the speaker's position.
As I noted earlier, there's only one audio connection in the system—a digital optical input—that connects your TV to the speaker. All your TV sources first need to be connected to your TV via whatever connection you prefer (most likely HDMI). This is convenient if you like the idea of one cable between your TV and the speaker, but there are some tradeoffs I'll get to later.
The optical connection to the speakers does more than just let you listen to your TV audio over the soundbar. It also makes your TV audio part of a larger Sonos audio system, assuming the PLAYBAR isn't the only Sonos component in your house. This means that if you want to listen to a baseball game both in your living room and another part of the house, you can direct the TV's audio to another Sonos component, such as a PLAY:3 speaker. This feature is only available via the "Group" option, which means you can't play TV audio on the dining room's PLAY:5 and Pandora on the PLAYBAR. They have to be playing the same thing.
While that's cool, you don't get a PLAYBAR because you're only interested in your TV's audio. You get it because you want easy access to all that online content—and much of it (Pandora, Slacker, Songza, and TuneIn) is free. The smartphone app puts nearly any music you can possibly imagine at your fingertips. If you have other Sonos components, you can play the same music all over the house or different music in each room, all with the same single Internet connection. There's even a cool AirPlay-like feature that uses Wi-Fi to stream your iPhone's music to your Sonos system.
Within the PLAYBAR, TV audio takes priority. That means if you're playing Pandora music and switch on the TV, the PLAYBAR automatically switches to the TV's audio signal.
While most people will select a soundbar just to replace their TV's speakers, some may still want the full 5.1 experience. The PLAYBAR actually allows for that. With a PLAYBAR you can add a pair of PLAY:3 speakers and even a Sonos Sub to create a 5.1 system. The Sonos app will walk you through the process and make the appropriate sound processing changes to direct the signal appropriately.Facebook and Twitter.
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NICOSIA, Cyprus (AP) -- Big depositors at Cyprus' largest bank may be forced to accept losses of up to 60 percent, far more than initially estimated under the European rescue package to save the country from bankruptcy, officials said Saturday.
Deposits of more than 100,000 euros ($128,000) at the Bank of Cyprus will lose 37.5 percent in money that will be converted into bank shares, according to a central bank statement. In a second raid on these accounts, depositors also could lose up to 22.5 percent more, depending on what experts determine is needed to prop up the bank's reserves. The experts will have 90 days to figure that out.
The remaining 40 percent of big deposits at the Bank of Cyprus will be "temporarily frozen for liquidity reasons," but continue to accrue existing levels of interest plus another 10 percent, the central bank said.
The savings converted to bank shares would theoretically allow depositors to eventually recover their losses. But the shares now hold little value and it's uncertain when -- if ever -- the shares will regain a value equal to the depositors' losses.
Emergency laws passed last week empower Cypriot authorities to take these actions.
Cyprus' Finance Minister Michalis Sarris said the measures were taken to put the Bank of Cyprus on a solid footing.
"We suffered a serious blow without doubt ... but we now have a bank which is reformed and ready to assume its role in the Cypriot economy," the state-run Cyprus News Agency quoting him as saying.
Analysts said Saturday that imposing bigger losses on Bank of Cyprus customers could further squeeze already crippled businesses as Cyprus tries to rebuild its banking sector in exchange for the international rescue package.
Sofronis Clerides, an economics professor at the University of Cyprus, said: "Most of the damage will be done to businesses which had their money in the bank" to pay suppliers and employees. "There's quite a difference between a 30 percent loss and a 60 percent loss." With businesses shrinking, Cyprus could be dragged down into an even deeper recession, he said.
Clerides accused some of the 17 European countries that use the euro of wanting to see the end of Cyprus as an international financial services center and to send the message that European taxpayers will no longer shoulder the burden of bailing out problem banks.
But German Finance Minister Wolfgang Schaeuble challenged that notion, insisting in an interview with the Bild daily published Saturday that "Cyprus is and remains a special, isolated case" and doesn't point the way for future European rescue programs.
Europe has demanded that big depositors in Cyprus' two largest banks -- Bank of Cyprus and Laiki Bank -- accept across-the-board losses in order to pay for the nation's 16 billion euro ($20.5 billion) bailout. All deposits of up to 100,000 are safe, meaning that a saver with 500,000 euros in the bank will only suffer losses on the remaining 400,000 euros.
Cypriot officials had previously said that large savers at Laiki -- which will be absorbed in to the Bank of Cyprus -- could lose as much as 80 percent. But they had said large accounts at the Bank of Cyprus would lose only 30 to 40 percent.
Asked about Saturday's announcement, University of Cyprus political scientist Antonis Ellinas predicted that unemployment, currently at 15 percent, will "probably go through the roof" over the next few years.
"It means that (people) ... have to accept a major haircut to their way of life and their standard of living. The social impact is yet to be realized, but they will be enormous in terms of social unrest and radical social phenomenon," Ellinas said.
There's also concern that large depositors -- including many wealthy Russians -- will take their money and run once capital restrictions that Cypriot authorities have imposed on bank transactions to prevent such a possibility are lifted in about a month.
Sarris, the finance minister, said that foreign branches of the Bank of Cyprus and Laiki Bank in countries such as Britain, Russia, Ukraine and Romania will eventually be sold. He also said that Cypriots would seek out new markets like China and the Arab countries while maintaining good business relations with Russians, "despite their bitterness."
Cyprus agreed on Monday to make bank depositors with accounts over 100,000 euros contribute to the financial rescue in order to secure 10 billion euros ($12.9 billion) in loans from the eurozone and the International Monetary Fund. Cyprus needed to scrounge up 5.8 billion euros ($7.4 billion) on its own in order to clinch the larger package, and banks had remained shut for nearly two weeks until politicians hammered out a deal, opening again on Thursday.


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Team Sky 2013: The Pain and the Glory
A beautiful photographic account of Team Sky's contrasting fortunes at the two biggest stage races of 2013, The Pain and the Glory documents both behind-the-scenes and at the front of the race with Team Sky.
With photos by Scott Mitchell and contributions from riders including Chris Froome and Rigoberto Urán, as well as Team Principal Sir Dave Brailsford, this fascinating and intimate look into the world's leading team is a must have for any fan of British Cycling's finest.
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- Colour photography by Scott Mitchell
- Testimony from riders and performance staff
- Hardback
- Foreword by Sir Dave Brailsford
- Written by Sarah Edworthy
The Giro d'Italia of 2013 was a Grand Tour of mixed fortunes for Team Sky. Bradley Wiggins was forced to pull out after stage 12, having failed to shake off a respiratory infection, yet he was far from alone among those riders who struggled with extremely wet conditions. The arrival of stage 15 turned rain to snow, and when the race briefly hopped over the border into France, the peloton was now faced with a brace of brutal climbs, the Col du Mont Cenis and the infamous Col du Galibier.
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This stage featured two of the truly brutal climbs of the 2013 Giro, as the race made its only deviation from Italy, crossing the frontier to borrow a pair of the Tour de France's most notorious landmarks. First up was the long and demoralising 25.5km up the Category-1 Col du Mont Cenis, which has as its reward a stunning Alpine lake to rhapsodise over, but was otherwise an early leg-sapper, ensuring that the second celebrated climb – the infamous 2,645m Col du Galibier – would deal out its trademark shuffle of the general classification. Even the world's best riders admit they struggle the entire way up the pass, which is tackled via the Col du Télégraphe. The 2013 sequencing of stages heralded full-on racing. With a rest day to follow, there was no reason for riders to hold back.
To the accompaniment of mystical music, TV coverage showcased the scene with surreal shots of fog swirling and clearing to reveal seemingly unreachable jagged peaks. Sub-zero temperatures were forecast. Team cars were banned from sounding their horns for fear of triggering avalanches. Few fans braved the cold; some hearty souls came, left a Union flag mounted on a snow bank and retreated to cheer the riders in spirit. There were mutterings that the riders were unhappy with the conditions set for the descent of the Col du Mont Cenis and fears that the fabled Galibier climb would be cancelled. Earlier, entrenched winter deposits had been cleared with snowploughs and explosives. Confirmation came that the stage would not finish at the summit, but 4.25km further down the climb. This meant the next conqueror of the Galibier would throw his arms up in celebration by the new memorial to Marco Pantani, whose triumph in 1998 ranks as one of the most iconic moments in cycling, achieved on his way to becoming the last man to win the Giro and Tour de France double.
As the peloton pedalled from verdant valley to the monotone granite-and-snow high-alpine landscape, the temperature plummeted. Cold itself acts as a competitive filter. Riders take knocks earlier when energy is used up simply in keeping warm, not pedalling. You have to get the clothing right, the food right, and judge it spot on to be able to go and 'race', rather than just get through it. 'There's always a big difference in how the riders deal with the cold. Some suffer, others ride without gloves,' said [Team Sky's Sports Director] Marcus Ljungqvist, while Danny Pate had his own theory on performance- to-conditions outcome. Coming from Colorado, home to some of the world's best ski resorts, you would have expected him to feel at home. 'It's a different kind of cold because it's so wet. In Colorado, it's a dry climate,' he protested. 'If you watch the races, it's guys from climates similar to the prevailing conditions who win. If it starts raining, all the Dutch and Belgian guys come in first . . .'
Physiologically, this was where Team Sky's weeks spent training at altitude camp in Tenerife paid off. On the day it was a matter of appropriate clothing. 'Clothing is key to managing the cold and wet weather – ensuring access to garments that are fit-for-purpose and optimised for performance in various weather conditions, but also managing clothing within the race – making sure the right garment is available when required, that the riders can get the garments from the team car when needed with minimal effort, and also shed them when no longer needed,' said Tim Kerrison, head of performance support. 'Having the correct protection from the elements can not only make an immediate impact on performance, but can also affect the health of the riders – and weather-related illnesses had a big impact on the peloton in the Giro.'
This was a stage when outside observers glimpsed borderline madness in a rider's mindset. Cue, Christian Knees: 'I had a nice moment when my legs felt good and I was still in the group at the Col du Télégraphe going up towards the Galibier. I was next to Cadel Evans, so I asked Rigo loudly on the radio if the race was hard enough for him or whether I should make the tempo harder. Cadel Evans looked at me – his face just said, "You're crazy!"'
'It turned out to be a hard one, as expected,' reported Ljungqvist. 'The riders made a gentlemen's agreement not to race over the first climb and then when the GPM [Gran Premio della Montagna] came, they started attacking. A group went away and then it was a full-on race. We tried to attack with Sergio on the Télégraphe to set up a stage win, but with a complete white-out in the final 4km, there wasn't enough road. Visconti rode away and finished alone.'
Movistar's Giovanni Visconti, who shares his birthday – January 13 – with the late Pantani, was one of a group of six who jumped away near the top of the Col du Mont Cenis on a quest for mountains points and who then increased their advantage on the run to the foot of the Col du Télégraphe. The Italian went clear of the group on the Télégraphe, spectacularly clearing the summit with a lead of 40 seconds. He maintained his advantage all the way to the finish. Afterwards, having waved the Tricolore and received champagne from podium girls dressed in skiwear, he remained incredulous: 'I can't believe I won on such a mythical climb as this.'
There was no loitering for the others. Urán, who came in tenth alongside Nibali and Evans, quickly jumped into a warm car to change into dry clothes. 'My freezer in Colombia isn't as cold as it is up here,' he joked. 'Fortunately I've got used to the cold after racing in Europe for several years, but what frio! We've had two tough days, but today was great racing.'


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Based on long-standing principles, even when it was composed of highly regulated utilities providing power under a government-authorized monopoly structure, the electric industry's clear goal has been to provide reliable power as efficiently as possible. 5 In theory, efficiently produced and supplied power supports the goal of providing electricity to consumers at the lowest price.
But what does "efficiency" mean for electricity markets? First, it's important to distinguish between short-run (static) efficiency and long-run (dynamic) efficiency. Static efficiency means: 1) output is produced by the least-cost suppliers; 2) it is consumed by those most willing to pay for it, and; 3) the right amount is produced. Achieving short-run productive efficiency (for a given load) essentially has devolved into the problem of operating existing power resources ( i.e., existing plants and dispatchable demand-side resources 6) according to the principle of economic dispatch—that is, running plants in a dispatch order so the ones with lowest operating costs, or short-run marginal costs, are dispatched ahead of others with higher operating costs.
The nature of the electricity grid—including transmission constraints and reliability requirements, and resource constraints, such as plant start-up costs or ramping times, and demand-response notice periods for different facilities—adds many wrinkles to achieving least-cost dispatch, but doesn't fundamentally change the problem. Solving this problem effectively depends on information that allows control operators to order plants and other resources from least-costly to most-costly—and a host of other things, such as the degree control operators can minimize system costs over a wide geographic grid, issues that are not greatly affected by choice of auction design.
Even as some parts of the country have shifted control of the grid from regulated utilities to RTOs, the basic process by which least-cost dispatch is implemented has not changed dramatically. In all regions, control-area operators minimize system costs given the security constraints of maintaining system reliability—that is, satisfying all demand for power. An important difference emerges, however, in the information used by control-area operators to minimize costs. While non-RTO regions rely upon cost data provided by the utilities, RTO regions rely on auction-based bids from suppliers. While there are many important differences between RTO and non-RTO models affecting economic dispatch— e.g., the effectiveness of resource "pooling" across states and utility service areas and access to transmission rights—an important issue differentiating alternative auction designs is their ability to elicit accurate information about the relative costs of operating power plants.
While economic dispatch is designed