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Jets-Cardinals: First-Half TweetsPosted by on December 2, 2012 – 2:35 pm
Here are today's first-half tweets for the Jets-Cardinals game at MetLife Stadium, in case you missed them on Twitter. Follow Bob Wischusen, Eric Allen and me for our tweets during each Jets game on https://twitter.com/nyjets.
#RL Jets gameday captain vs ARZ: LB Calvin Pace, backed up by David Harris, Bart Scott, Demario Davis, Nick Bellore, Garrett McIntyre, NT Sione Po'uha.
#RL Jets win toss, defer. Since 09 Jets have won opening toss and deferred 29 times (6 times this yr). Jets record in pvs 28 games: 12-16.
#RL Jets stop Cards on their 1st 3rd-down attempt of the game, Eric Smith PD, Donnie Fletcher on blitz vs QB Ryan Lindley.
#RL Jets run defense stops ARZ on 3rd-and-1 and 4th-and-1, get ball back for the offense at Jets 18 following Sanchez INT on first off play.
#RL Nick Folk 46-yd FG attempt off left upright, no good. Folk now 5-of-7 at home this year with only other miss a blkd try vs MIA.
#EA Bilal Powell off to a good start in the backfield. He has quality vision and continues to be an asset in pass pro.
#EA Jets D doing what they're supposed to do. Zona last in the NFL in 3rd down conversions (28.4%) entering – now 0 of 3 today.
#RL S Kerry Rhodes has his 2nd INT of Mark Sanchez. 1st Jets opponent w/ 2 1st-quarter INTs since LA Rams' Kirk Collins in '83.
#RL Ryan Lindley's rushed third-and-8 pass incomplete, Jets defense has now stopped Cardinals on all 5 third-down plays.
#EA Jets have held Beanie Wells to 1 yard on 7 attempts. They are winning the battle up front against a young line.
#RL LaRon Landry makes his 2nd INT of season, on Ryan Lindley longball intended for rookie WR Malcolm Floyd. Landry returns to ARZ-38.
#RL Nick Folk tries to convert from 52 yards out. This try hits the right upright. He's 0-for-2 with two uprights, game continues scoreless.
#RL Nick Folk had hit his previous 4 FG tries from 50-plus yards before the 52-yard miss.
#RL Jets defense in last 6 drives has an INT, a fourth-and-1 stop and 4 three-and-outs.
#RL Defense bringing it today: Cards had 33 drive yards on their opening series and have 26 yards combined on their last 6 series.
#RL Rookie WR Stephen Hill grabs 6-yd pass for first down. Hill now leads all receivers in this game with 4 catches for 37 yds.
#EA Stephen Hill has 4 receptions in the first half. The rookie's career-high was 5 in Week 1 vs. BUF.
#RL Rex Ryan challenging spot of Dustin Keller completion, a foot short of 1st down. Ryan's been successful in 12 of previous 17 challenges.
#RL Rex now 13 of 18 on replay challenges. Keller gets 1st down, Jets have it 1st-and-10 at ARZ-44.
#RL Rashad Johnson goes 40 yds on fake punt snap. Longest fake by Jets opps since 40-yd pass from Rohn Stark to Michael Prior vs IND in '90.
#RL Ex-Jets K Jay Feely hits 48-yd FG as time expires in first half. Cards lead 3-0 over Jets at halftime.
#RL Jets lead at half in yards (146-115), 1st downs (9-4), possession (17:14-12:46), Cards lead in takeaways (3-1) and score (3-0).
#RL First 3-0 Jets game at halftime since 2011 Game 8 (@ BUF, Jets 3-0), first at home since 2010 Game 7 (vs GB, Packers 3-0).
Tags: Arizona Cardinals, Dustin Keller, Jay Feely, Jeff Cumberland, Kerry Rhodes, Mark Sanchez, Patrick Peterson, Rex Ryan
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By MIKE on Dec 2, 2012 | Reply
Finally, Sanchez is out.
By Bennett on Dec 2, 2012 | Reply
Sanchez took it like a man and with class. Long overdue but still a gutsy call by Ryan. We may have solved our QB problem.
By Byrdman on Dec 2, 2012 | Reply
And So It Begins – Welcome to the NFL Greg McElroy! Go G-Mac,, You already look more comfortable than Mark at the line of scrimmage. Most football "experts" think you lack the arm strength and physical tools for an NFL QB – I don't know – WHO KNOWS ?? maybe you'll prove em all wrong. If you succeed, you'll be the toast of the town, a pint sized superhero in Jets green/white. We absolutely love underdogs in Jet Nation, it's basically the History of this Team.
By AK_Jet on Dec 2, 2012 | Reply
Give McElroy the whole week to get ready and see what happens….I am so excited, this means Rex is who I thought he was…..and can remain being our head coach and bring the "D" every week and our offense can begin to carry it's weight. They can Fire Tannenbaum if they want.
By scjoe on Dec 2, 2012 | Reply
OK, great win, no doubt, but the thing is, as ugly as this game was, just imagine how ugly it could have been had the opposition even remotely resembled a pro offense! As pathetic as the Jets offense was, theirs was much, much, worse. The thing I liked about the McElroy drive is the fact the game was on the line, not just garbage time. In my mind Rex absolutely positively, has to stay with McElroy. Lets see what he has after taking first team reps all week.
By Bennett the schmo on The Island on Dec 2, 2012 | Reply
Lets not plan the ticker tape parade just yet. The Jets beat what is probably the worst offensive display I have seen in years, at home, by one whole point and with a baseball score at that. I don.t know what the Cardinals are thinking with that QB but he makes Sanchez look like Dan Marino. Yo coach WHOEVER YOU GOT on that bench I mean WHO EVER,YOU GOT even if he got 1 leg PUT HIM IN MAN YOU CRAZY OR SOMETHIN. I would have been embarrassed to compliment my defense for stopping that team.( which of coarse Ryan did) Was me I woulda said they got nothing to be proud of lets see them do that to the Niners than they can be proud. But I'm just some old schmo living on The Island
By Mike Jet Vet on Dec 2, 2012 | Reply
Sanchez needed 3 Int's before Rex put Gmac in un!@#$%^&#$%^ believable. betting $$ to donuts were 7-5 if Gmac was starting . Rex needs to be fired tomorrow Period…Mike-T as well
By ELI RODRIGUEZ AKA (RUSS BALL 4GM) on Dec 2, 2012 | Reply
By MIKE on Dec 2, 2012 | Reply
I will not jump on MS today. He has done some great things for this organization. He has clearly been a stand up guy, a good teammate, hard worker, and helped bring this organization to a level it hadn't been in a decade.
This will be an interesting week. G-Mac has know reps, doesn't know the receivers, and doesn't know the playbook like a starter would. I am not sold on the fact that he would start next week. Tebow comes back healthy next week, Sanchez knows the O better than anyone and G-Mac is 3rd string.
I have never been more unsure of who will be the starting QB next week for the Jets.
By Karan on Dec 2, 2012 | Reply
I'm still a Sanchez supporter but I can understand that this needed to be done. Glad we got a win. Quite frankly, if Mark Sachez doesn't return next season and I don't think he will, I'm glad he won't be under this management anymore. He definietly deserves some of the criticism he's received this season because of his poor play, but personally, I think this front office has ruined a bright future. We saw great things out of this kid his first two years. He had the right pieces around him. For some reason, they've snatched it out of his hands and it's unforunate that it will fall on him. I would like to have him back next season, I know many of you despise him and I can't blame ya fully but the fault is really both ways, I just think its…
By Karan on Dec 2, 2012 | Reply
…..its the management that deserves most of the blame.
By Jet Fan Since '64 Tom Vindicated Slightly on Dec 3, 2012 | Reply
Another pt worth stressing, from a post on the ESPN site: "Sanchez was benched because of Sanchez, not because of the lack of weapons. It's possible to not have weapons but manage the game as QB without hurting your team. Sanchez consistently hurt his team." Yes, one of the 1st things I thought — sarcastically — when Mc showed composure was, "Wait a minute, he has no weapons, Holmes is out, Hill drops passes, Kerley's hurt," etc. The fact is having no weapons has nothing to do with a QB's smarts, pocket presence, ability to read the D, and lots more. And by the way, Mc's throw on Kerley's one-hand catch was — HOORAY! — to EXACTLY the spot it needed to be, not somewhere else that forced Kerley to make a circus catch.
By Jet Fan Since '64 Tom Vindicated Slightly on Dec 3, 2012 | Reply
Below you'll see a series of posts that I wrote before the game (the one about Jackson) and right afterward. I don't know why they didn't appear last night, maybe Randy didn't like my snarky pen name. But on a night I canceled a meeting in order to enjoy the first real step of progress since opening day vs BUF, I want to get them on the site. And I'll add here that while I've learned to expect anything from Rex, I don't see how or why he wouldn't start McElroy next wk and play him until he plays himself back onto the bench. As one fan pointed out on the ESPN site, turning over the entire O to Tebow's chaotic, technically limited style of play is just asking for more trouble. Why do that after Mc showed promise yesterday and helped us win?
By Jet Fan Since '64 Tom Vindicated Slightly on Dec 3, 2012 | Reply
By the way, folks, the WR FA that I said we should go after last winter if we were serious about winning this yr — which I knew we weren't — Vincent Jackson, is going to go over 1,000 yds this week on more than 20 yds per catch. And that's with Freeman, whom until recently we considered not as good as Sanchez, throwing to him.
By punchie on Dec 3, 2012 | Reply
I truely received a christmas gift today . When MIKE T brought in tebow i thought i would never see G`MAC get his shot. Did you notice he nearly ran it in untill he realised that a passing TD would feel oh so good not just for himself but the rest of us to. On a side note STEPHEN HILL had the best game of his career to date .and backs ran with enthusiasm
By Jet Fan Since '64 Tom Vindicated Slightly on Dec 3, 2012 | Reply
Yes, that INT that was called back was a dying quail, but otherwise — WHAT DID I TELL YA? WHAT HAVE SO MANY OF US BEEN SAYING? That the 1st game Mc ever plays, he'll look smarter, calmer, more pro, more confident than Sanchez has in all but a few games and probably win the game, too! Were we wrong? Did some of you notice that we finally looked like we had a QB who looks like he's not scared out of his mind on half the plays, not about to make the same amateurish mistakes that no one should be making post-high school? I see no reason not to start Mc for the rest of the yr until he starts looking as pathetic as MS. (He can't possibly look as pathetic at TT.) Of course, now we have to worry about Rex thinking he can win every game 7-6…
By Jet Fan Since '64 Tom Vindicated Slightly on Dec 3, 2012 | Reply
Long-overdue item on ESPN Stats & Info, not that plenty of us haven't said it on this site: "Should it really be a surprise that McElroy came in and immediately performed better than Sanchez? Other than the round they were drafted in — Sanchez in the 1st and McElroy in the 7th — what did Sanchez show in college to be a better prospect than McElroy? Sanchez went 2-1 against top-10 teams and McElroy went 7-2 and led his team to a national title." Yeah, and Mc woulda put a total of 2, maybe 3 scores on the board had not Rex done his usual paranoid goal-line thing and had not Bell fumbled. This could be your best argument ever against paying too much attention to when a guy's drafted, scjoe, 'cause Mc sure looked like the starter today!
By Jet Fan Since '64 Tom Vindicated Slightly on Dec 3, 2012 | Reply
Like I said to you after the game, Arte: "That Tebow sat 1 week after dressing with the same injury will fuel speculation that the Jets did it to move McElroy up the depth chart without demoting Tebow." Clearly, Ryan doesn't see Tebow as the answer at QB." (from Cimini) Yeah, and maybe Rex has finally seen thru his own delusions about 10 yrs of glory with "Mark the Starter" and realized his job's on the line. I still want him gone but I can't blame him for trying to stay employed. And given what a predictable disaster this yr has been, Mr T gone and Rex back to oversee a 3-way battle between Mc, Sanchez, and somebody not named Tebow would still be progress. Gotta think the O would like that, they sure seemed to like seeing Mc come in today.
By Jet Fan Since '64 Tom Vindicated Slightly on Dec 3, 2012 | Reply
Sanchez hits the pine as a Jet for the first time with almost exactly the same stats he's always had: 55%, slightly more INTs than TDs, low yds/per att, ranked in the bottom 3rd (but WAY at the bottom this time). I'll cut Rex some slack today not only for finally coming to his senses about how an inept QB doesn't ever "give you the best chance to win", but also because it's becoming clear he's not really calling the shots in terms of who plays and who doesn't. But that vindication in my pen name today is because a lot of us have been watching MS make the same blunders for 4 yrs, listening to the same post-game pablum, and wondering when this org's gonna wake up. Have YOU woken up yet, Woody? It sure seems like most fans of your team have.
By IRA on Dec 3, 2012 | Reply
I don't care how it looked it was nice driving home with a win instead of a loss. Nice to see McElroy get a shot it was the right move and the right thing is to let him finish out the season to see what he can do. I think he is a clone of Chad with better mobility and the same type of smarts. Feel bad for mark but this was long overdue and if Tebow was never on this roster this would've happened already. Too bad Balt and SD choked.
Nice game by Greene, Powell and the OL.
By Mike Jet Vet on Dec 3, 2012 | Reply
CAN ANYONE MAKE EXCUSES FOR SANCHEZ ANYMORE $60 MILLION ENOUGH! ALREADY!!!!!!!!! AS A FAN i'M GETTING SICK OF HIS SAME GARBAGE EVERY WEEK, ANOTHER DISCUSSING DISPLAY, HE NEEDS TO TAKE A CUT IN PAY AND GO NO QUESTIONS ASKED HE ISN'T EVEN A VIABLE BACKUP…. REX-WOODY MIKE-T FYI, USE SANCHEZ ONE MORE GAME THIS YEAR IT'S BLATANT COMPETENCE
By JetBlue on Dec 3, 2012 | Reply
Not much to hang your hat on with this game. I'd like to see how McElroy does on the road with a week to prepare & practice for a game. I wonder if Rex is just as curious. Just think of how this season could have gone with what's left on the schedule. I could see it now, making a playoff run by feasting on the bottom-of-the-barrel teams. Getting excited about another chance to win that promised SB. Watching and cheering and hoping and praying and wishing………..but then…….but then we travel to Buffalo to play those hapless Bills. And all we need is a win and we're in. And we here Rex during the week before the game telling us how prepared the team is and what a great practice they had. Bills 36, Jets 10. Figures.
By By Jet Fan Since 1964 Frank on Dec 3, 2012 | Reply
One thing GMac showed me when he took over for Sanchez "POISE"… He looked very comfortable. I liked GMac when he played for Alabama and I feel he should start this coming Sunday to see how well he will play a whole game. He has managed a touch down and completed some nice passes. His roll out and TD pass was excellent. Now that GMac played I feel he will only improve. No more nervousness to over come. I laughed at how he ran all over the field to get the football for his first TD. REX, start GMac this week, Send to Tebow Jacksonville for a draft pick, maybe we will get lucky and get a 1st rounder from the Jags… Where not totally dead yet for the playoffs, we need wins and some losses by other teams. I know I am dreaming.
By By Jet Fan Since 1964 Frank on Dec 3, 2012 | Reply
Sure would like to see a come back like the Giants did last year "IF" by some miracle we made the playoffs. Congradulations to GMac for his 1st TD and WIN as a JET… Lets go Jets….
By Bennett on Dec 3, 2012 | Reply
Worse thing Sporano and that bunch can do is try and alter McElroy's basic style. As Byrdman said once you are in the NFL it is pretty much set. His style is what got him here. Do not tinker with him. That being said he has to be taught to avoid his instinct to bolt from the pocket to fast, He is going into the play thinking he will have to bolt. He has to go in thinking he is going to complete the play as designed from the pocket or he will not be successful. Basic stuff Sporano that you should understand if you are in the NFL
By GaryC on Dec 3, 2012 | Reply
Seeing that Rex is having such a tough time deciding on his quarterback next week,he will probably have Sparano draw straws for him.
By Jet Fan Since '64 Tom Vindicated Slightly on Dec 3, 2012 | Reply
Ira, a common theme I'm hearing today — surprisingly, considering how popular Tebow is supposed to be? — is that if the Jets hadn't gotten TT, Mc woulda taken over for Sanchez sooner. I don't know for sure if that's true but it doesn't matter for several reasons: (1) Better late than never (2) The idea isn't to get unrealistically jazzed about making the playoffs with Mc but to find out how much he's got so we can plan for next yr, and (3) Even a solid Mc at QB isn't likely to triumph in the playoffs given the many problems this team still has. I'm just satisfied to see that the weird spell that MS has held over this entire org has finally been broken. Anything he gets from now on he'll have to earn, not have handed to him on a platter.
By Bennett on Dec 3, 2012 | Reply
Karan, Karan, Karan, Despise is such a harsh word, you cannot really despise someone you do not know as the word means a strong personal haterd which is impossible. Many of us were highly critical of Sanchez. I always resented the fact that because he thought he was so good he choose to forego his senior year. I resented the fact the Jets fell for it and drafted him when he was clearly unready for the NFL and then turned the team over to this 22yr old instead of teaching him as a backup. But what I really resented about him was the excuses, the coddiling, the blame of everyone but him for his play and reading day after day people like you saying he was so good when in reality he was just plain bad.
By Jet Fan Since '64 Tom Vindicated Slightly on Dec 3, 2012 | Reply
MIKE, it makes no difference whether Mc knows the playbook or has even shaken hands with the starters, the team's going nowhere this yr. If you won't use these last 4 games to find out what you've got on the roster, you'll never wanna find out. As pathetic as Lindley looked yesterday, that's what Whisenhunt's doing, trying to see what he's got 'cause he knows he likes Kolb better than Skelton and he wants to see his other options. The only reason to put Tebow in now is to find out if you really think he's worth developing as a full-time QB. I doubt the Jets think he's worth that, having basically admitted that getting him was, as the eccentric, oppositional, but still very football-smart Joe Namath said, nothing more than a publicity stunt.
By Jet Fan Since '64 Tom Vindicated Slightly on Dec 3, 2012 | Reply
From ESPN's James Walker: "Everyone knows about the Jets benching Sanchez in favor of McElroy in a win over ARI. But something I noticed under the surface is it's now clear Rex Ryan is coaching for his job. RR was undyingly loyal to MS throughout his struggles because RR's job was not in jeopardy. But the pressure is now on RR to win down the stretch and he finally jumped ship after 3 1st-half MS INTs. I agreed with the decision, but I thought a QB change should've come sooner. Ryan only made the call when he was clearly desperate. He simply could not lose at home to a Cardinals team that's now lost 8 straight." All as it should be, James, Rex shouldn't expect to be back next yr without showing us a lot more HC chops than he has so far.
By SCfromNY on Dec 3, 2012 | Reply
As a McElroy supporter since the beginning I was so glad to see him come in and lead the jets to a score. The whole team had a fifferent feel about it. I hope he gets a chance to start next week. BUT in realality Rex may go right back to Sanchez. Rex is really in a spot. if he starts Sanchez fans and most of the team i feel will not be happy. He he starts McElroy and he wins Rex could be stuck with him for the rest of the year. Then what to do with Sanchez? A 3 way competition next year? Does anyone think it strange Rex went to McElroy the only week Tebow was not available? I would bet no matter what they REST Tebow's rib another week.
By IRA on Dec 3, 2012 | Reply
Karan, Yes i am a big supporter of Mark too but i really think its best for him to get back on track with another team. I still think he can be a winning QB in the NFL. What the fans did to him ysterday was horrible. Guess it comes with the position. I think he needs to big up the pieces in another town. I just can't see him coming back talk about having to be thick skinned. I just don't see it. Maybe they can trade him and pick up a 5th and slpit the 8 mill with another team. Basically bringing Mark back would be like bringing back D. Brien after he blew those 2 kicks in Pitt. Really feel bad for Mark and will root for him as a Jet or not.
By harry-o on Dec 3, 2012 | Reply
Mcelroy could start next week , only because it's Jax
if not , then if MS struggles again then Gmac plays again
Tebow gets demoted to # 3 QB, but still plays whenever
no big deal
By davetharave on Dec 3, 2012 | Reply
Very optimistic tweets, no mention at all of Sanchez interceptions. Reading these and not knowing what was going on in the game you would think Jets were 2 goal posts short of total domination instead of down 3-0 at the half.
By scjoe on Dec 3, 2012 | Reply
Thank You 64! For finally coming to the realization that Rex Ryan doesn't call the shots! Also, do you seriously believe that Vincent Jackson would have even half of those 1000 yards had he come to the circus instead? Now, if that, right there, don't tell everyone all they need to know about our QB position I don't think anything else can. Karen, what will it take for you to jump off that abandon Sanchez bandwagon? How many more games like this last one will it take? The only reason this player is still on this roster is because of his draft position and his outrageously ridicules salary! Not because of his ability to play the QB position. It is going to be very interesting to see how this all plays out.
By steven on Dec 3, 2012 | Reply
It's About Time You Play Greg McElroy. You'll probably get most of your fans back now. I won't watch this year because I'm still decidint whether I am going to continue being a Jets Fan after 30 years. Greg McElroy gives you a chance though. He's smart and will not make mistakes and turn the ball over much. He's a leader and a winner. I'm disappointed it took you this long to give him a shot.
By Bennett on Dec 3, 2012 | Reply
Hill is a big, strong, fast gamer but very RAW. He is getting good expierance for the first year., He will progress and get better That being said I still see him making the same mistakes each week especially the attempted hand catches. Where is the coaching on this team? Dumb penalities, poor basic fundamendals seen every week, just dumb mistakes repeated game after game. This is just a poorly coached team from the top on down
By Byrdman on Dec 3, 2012 | Reply
I'm glad Rex put G-Mac in and I'm happy for the kid, he saw his first real NFL game and threw a TD pass. I think we should all tap the brakes a bit before we declare that Greg is the "answer" to all our QB problems. Anyone here remember Browning Nagle ? The first game he started – He looked like Dan Marino, firing darts all over the field, throwing every kind of pass, short,quick timing routes, deep out patterns, long bombs. Think he had almost 400 yards and like 4 or 5 TD's. Then a strange thing happened.. he NEVER played a game like that again and was out of football a couple years later. Nagle was the polar opposite of McElroy, he had a Million $$ arm and a 50 cent brain. G-Mac appears to have an NFL football mind, Division 3 Arm.
By ron alexander on Dec 3, 2012 | Reply
Byrdman, As much as I'm hopeing your right I'm not sure we witnessed the dawning of the McEiroy era just yet.Rex has been stubborn to say the least in his loyalty to M.S. I believe its very possiable he goes back to mark this week(st least to start) as he felt Mark had an odd day? Obviously thats not gonna sit well with most Jet fans as most of us have seen enough! BENNETT, i was wondering if you could elaborate on your post about Sparano altering Mc's style? Sorry buddy but i didn't understand where you were going?
By ron alexander on Dec 3, 2012 | Reply
IRA, I caught you on WFAN this A.m. with Joe Beningo & Evan. While I was with you for 90% of your comments, I did think Evan made a good point about playing in N.Y. If Mc replaces Mark as the starter I still believe Mark could win back the fans with a great performance out of the bullpen if Mc was injured or ineffective. NewYorkers dont care so much about who,how or why we win, we just want to win! A lot of the posts here today bare this out as inspite of how ugly this game was there are a lot of happy campers here today! JETBLUE, I was thinking the same thing. I think most of us want to see Mc get a chance to show the organization what he's all about.I hope he gets that chance.
By ron alexander on Dec 3, 2012 | Reply
JOE, did you catch Brian Billicks comments about McElroy increasing his arm strength? He mentioned it on several occassions. I will say his arm was not a problem with the few opportunities he had to throw the ball. Now I grant you he certianly didn't do anything extraordinary but he threw a couple of out patterns that had excellent zip on them and most importantly were on time and on the money.I'm not ready to order a bust for his enshrinement in Canton just yet but I want to see more before writeing him off. S.C.Joe, not sure I'd call it a "great win' but I agree it was like the Bad news Bears vs. the Keystone Cops. That was without a doubt the worst 2 Q.B performances I have ever seen!
By Allan O'Dane on Dec 3, 2012 | Reply
MMMM….interesting topic on ESPN…Will the NYJ trade Sanchez to seattle as a backup and we get Flynn as our backup? mmmmmm,,that's one to think about…
By Another Tom on Dec 3, 2012 | Reply
Good to see M S finally take a seat and carry the clip board..probably a huge relief for Him too. Even better to see was that our running game worked well…Greene is a tough hard nosed runner who can take a shot and deliver one too, I hope We can re-sign Him .If not I could see him playing for Pittsburg – a team full of tough players.
By Stevesc on Dec 3, 2012 | Reply
i don't know how anyone else feels about this, but I was not happy with how the game ended with Greene taking a knee instead of scoring a td. I know the broadcasters were saying it was a good coaching move knowing the Cards had no time outs and the Jets just needed to take a knee. Are you kidding me? All I thought of is how little confidence Ryan must have in this team to do that. Are you going to tell me that they were afraid to kick off to the Cards with less than two minutes being up 14–6? Especially the way the Cards qb was playing.? Was happy with the win though.
By IRA on Dec 3, 2012 | Reply
Ron, I understand Evan's point and he might be right. Believe me i wish Mark only the best and wish he could lead us to a SB. But i have been around sports a long time and maybe its me but you can just tell when its time for a player to change teams and start over with another team. I think it would be easier for him and he would have great success getting his career back on track.
Alan, What do you mean Flynn as a backup? I want to see what McElory has but i do believe the Jets 2013 QB is not on the roster right now.
By RyanO on Dec 3, 2012 | Reply
This move was long overdue. Finally somebody made a football decision and a coaching decision on the team. That being said, I'm stilla Sanchez supporter. He has been nothing but a class act on an increasingly dysfunctional franchise.
As for McElroy, well done. You have to feel good for the guy. But I'd temper the enthusiasm somewhat. The guy has a very weak arm that will get seriously exposed in the NFL. Remember Pennington and all the pic-sixes? Untimely pics marching down the field for the comeback? Same thing will happen here. NFL coaches just let a weak armed quarterback have those short outs baiting them into thinking they're there all game. Then they take them away in the fourth quarter when it counts. Mark my word.
By Karan on Dec 3, 2012 | Reply
Bennett, there are many many fans out there who 'hate' Mark Sanchez, lets say that. Despise, hate, really same thing. I found myself furious at Sanchez as well after those picks and maybe it is good thing for him to be benched for next week. He needs a break from some of the fans and well his own play. Its' definitely infuriating to see the heckling and the constant bashing he has received. I don't believe its fair at all given the circumstances he's been placed in. And I actually do hope McElroy starts next week, I want to see how he will perform in a full game with one of the thinnest wide receiver groups in the league, oh and Keller will most likely not be playing as well. It gives us a break from Mark and it gives him a break from the……
By Byrdman on Dec 3, 2012 | Reply
Ron – My first comment above was posted about 30 seconds after I saw G-Mac had entered the game. Trust me, I'm under no delusions whatsoever about this either being the beginning of the McElroy era or the end of Sanchez's. With the 3 ring Barnum&Bailey front office we've got, NOTHING would surprise me :D While it's potentially devastating when an NFL team makes a HUGE mistake, trading up to draft a QB who turns out to be a bust, It was like pulling an infected tooth benching Sanchez. Initially you're thrilled that the pain is gone, then days later you see the hole in your smile where that tooth used to be. Jets blew 2 picks in 09 Imagine if we'd drafted a Clay Mathews and a big-time RB instead of MS then rode out that year with Clemons -
By Another Tom on Dec 3, 2012 | Reply
Yeah, I guess G Mac has a similiar skill set as Chad P, But my first impression is that He reminds me more of Glen Foley. maybe its the Number 14, or same Physical stature…but thats who He looks like…
By Karan on Dec 3, 2012 | Reply
……fans. People may say Sanchez ruined Sanchez when all this over and there is some partial truth to that. But what really has ruined Sanchez or when and if it does, its this Jets management. Simple as that. Hopefully Sanchez returns to the Jets next season only if they have a much talented roster because he will deliver actual results then.
By Karan on Dec 3, 2012 | Reply
It seems as if a new era of Jets football is upon us. Looks like we won't have Sanchez, Keller, Greene, Moore, Holmes or maybe even Ryan back next season. McElroy, Cumberland, Kerley and Hill look like the new kids on the block.
By Karan on Dec 3, 2012 | Reply
Also, Bennett, get your facts straight on 'the blame of everyone but himself'. Marks not the kind of QB who has blamed others for his faults. He knows what his issues are and yes, he's been coddled and all, but he takes responsibility for his own actions. When they lose, he has blamed himself. He knows he needs to play better. He's a hard worker and class act. I do agree however, that he has had a really bad year.
By SOCALJETS on Dec 3, 2012 | Reply
SANCHEZ hasn't had a decent receiver since BRAYLON EDWARDS,and what do they do,get rid of EDWARDS clearly their best reciver,I still like SANCHEZ,I hope he comes back to a team here in CALIFORNIA…
By Charliejet on Dec 3, 2012 | Reply
ear, ear now now ats' awe right! Sanchez or Mc Elroy will be let go – Pats pick em up train em' proper see and make make em' a good QB under the watchful eye of Bilichick. Brady will be ready to retire and Sanchez or Mcelroywill have fully developed and will come back to haunt us! (That was my best English accent)
By By Jet Fan Since 1964 Frank on Dec 3, 2012 | Reply
McElroy was a pleasent surprise. I am amazed at how some of the fans in here are comparing him to Pennington. Does anybody remember some of the reviews on Marino when he first came out of college, he had a weak arm and he sure proved everybody wrong. McElroy led Alabama to a National Championship with accurate passing, and smart playing. I know he only threw a few passes yesterday 5 out of 7 completions. Those passes were on the money. He seen the Blitz coming and he rolled out of it on 2 occassions. He could have run it in for the TD but made a nice throw for a TD then ran all over the field wanting the ball (lol). But in reality he was refreshing and the little time he played yesterday does not mean we should jump on the bandwagon
By By Jet Fan Since 1964 Frank on Dec 3, 2012 | Reply
just yet, Rex has to let him play a full game to see how he will react the entire gane. I liked this kid when he played for Alabama and I hope he will continue to win. But it takes smart coaching to win games and that is something we lack….
By Joe on Dec 3, 2012 | Reply
Watched the game with my bus partner (ALL AMERICAN NEB 95 NAT CHAMP TEAM )6 YEAR NFL CAR .First observation MCElOY He lasted to the 7th BECAUSE HE DOESNT HAVE AN NFL CALIBER ARM AND HE CAN NOT MAKE ALL THE NECC THROWS You can not bring a CHAD PENN TYPE QB IN HERE AND EXPECT HIM TO WIN A TITLE GOING AGAINST BRADY ROTHESB ECT .Its a COMPLETE WASTE OF TIME AS HE DOESNT HAVE THE PHY TOOLS TO COMPETE
By By Jet Fan Since 1964 Frank on Dec 3, 2012 | Reply
If I am not mistaken Brady was drafted way down the line also. WHY?
By ron alexander on Dec 3, 2012 | Reply
IRA, Yeah, like you I like Mark too. Also I think you are right about him being better off elsewhere next year. hey, mabey ths Cards, Rams or Jax would consider himI just think all the negativity between S.Holmes last year and his poor play this year has sapped him of whatever confidence he had. Byrdman, yeah i hear you. I was just stateing the obvious in case you got into some bad weed or something. Your posts are always spot on so it kind of surprised me thats all!
By scjoe on Dec 3, 2012 | Reply
Ron, ANY win is a great win as far as I am concerned. I think I made it clear once before I am in it to see the NY Jets win football games Period! Draft position, player and personnel changes, coaching changes, GM changes, all of that will take care of itself. All I want, and all I ever wanted for the past 52 seasons is for this team to WIN. So, that should explain the "great win" analogy.
By scjoe on Dec 3, 2012 | Reply
Lets just put the NY Jets QB dilemma into it's proper perspective. It is a total nightmare! It is a catastrophe just waiting to happen, more now then ever before. I have to agree with Ira that the starting QB of 2013 is probably not on this roster. The problem is more about roster decisions then it is about ability. Honestly, I don't see any of the three as being the franchise QB the Jets have sought since the early 70s.So, what do you do with Sanchez and his 13 mil salary? What do you do with Tebow and still save face over that disastrous decision? Then, what do you do with McElroy, especially if he continues to play and the team continues to win? Thing is, the NY Jets FO brought this upon themselves!
By Jet Fan Since '64 Tom Vindicated Slightly on Dec 3, 2012 | Reply
Ira, as I've said before I don't boo at games but to criticize Jet fans for booing Sanchez is ridiculous, on any other team he woulda had to fight for the job after the PIT playoff loss. Fans can only take so much and shouldn't have to take more. scjoe, when the OL coach basically says "Fire me," maybe because he's already been told he's getting fired, the HC isn't calling all the shots. As for Jackson, no doubt we'd have ruined him like we did Holmes, I'm just saying those, like you, who were overly optimistic about Schilens were dreaming. stevesc, I hate the knee nonsense, any team that's afraid to take a TD from the 1 with a minute or 2 left isn't playing with a winning mindset but then we're not, Rex is just playing to not get fired.
By Jet Fan Since '64 Tom Vindicated Slightly on Dec 3, 2012 | Reply
Joe, I generally admire your aggressive take on what's wrong with this team but I think your business partner needs to chill out and give McElroy a chance. It's absurd to write off the potential of a guy like Mc when he hasn't even practiced with the 1st team. As for this arm strength issue, NOBODY stresses arm strength more than me, in the NFL it's, as Salman Rushdie said of free speech in society, "the whole ball game" or at least most of it. But anyone who remembers how Brady and Brees, 2 of the best QBs of the last 25 yrs, threw in their early seasons knows that arm strength can be improved over time. Mc has so many of the strengths Sanchez lacks that it would be a huge mistake to assume that he can't become a solid, maybe elite NFL QB.
By Byrdman on Dec 3, 2012 | Reply
CharlieJet – Cheerio, jolly good show old boy :D But the bad news for Jets fans is BB is quietly grooming a bigger, stronger more athletic QB than Brady, with the best arm I've ever seen – name is Ryan Mallett. My guess is Brady will play another 2-4 years while mentoring the kid, before they turn him loose. Mallett has the potential to be as good or better than Brady, in other words good enough to torment Jets fans for the next decade.
By Byrdman on Dec 3, 2012 | Reply
Jet64 Frank – I NEVER heard anyone say that Marino had a "weak" arm EVER. The only knock on Dan was his wonderlick score. Marino said he didn't really think scouts would take the results seriously. He was always known as a tough gunslinger type with the quickest release in the NFL. Parcells thought Glen Foley had something but he cautioned Jet fans "Defenses in the NFL will find out a guy's weakness, once they get enough film on him" In Foley's case it didn't take long. The better corners learned to jump the short routes that Chad threw too. The future of quarterbacking in the NFL is RG3 : A bigger stronger tougher smarter Mike Vick with a more accurate arm!
By By Jet Fan Since 1964 Frank on Dec 3, 2012 | Reply
McElroy, deserves a shot. Even Tebow probably deserves a shot anything is better then MS. It is my feeling McElroy would be the better of then MS or TT.
By SCfromNY on Dec 4, 2012 | Reply
I am tempering my excitement of McElroy finally getting a chance with the recent Jet track record. I hope he starts this Sunday but Rex going back to Sanchez is likely. You never know with a QB's arm. Just as important as the ability to throw deep is ball placement giving the receiver the best chance for YAC and 1rst downs. You can argue with the few Sanchez fans left BUT one thing will not change. OB PRESENCE. Mark could have the strongest arm and the ability to throw any pass when not under duress. How your QB performs under stress, reads defences, and leads his team has nothing to do with arm strenght. The best example of this is Jeff George whose arm was unbeleivable but his character and demeanor made him a loser. Sanchez=backup.
By scjoe on Dec 4, 2012 | Reply
64, I wouldn't go so far as to say I was "overly optimistic" re: Chaz Schliens. All I tried to do was point out the similarities in his game to those of Stephen Hill whom the Jets traded up for in the 2nd round. I said it then, that was a bad pick, and here we are in week 14 and I have seen absolutely nothing to change my mind.
By Jet Fan Since '64 Tom Vindicated Slightly on Dec 4, 2012 | Reply
scjoe, sounds like you've been a little bit brainwashed by the Jets' coddling of Sanchez. Only on the Jets is it bad news when a QB comes off the bench, wins the game, shows potential, and vindicates the team's drafting of him. Face it, neither Sanchez nor Tebow have any real future as NFL starting QBs but McElroy might, so why not use these last 4 utterly meaningless games to see what he's got? The plot pt that's going unanalyzed is this meeting that Woody had with the team. It seems he told everyone that all bets are off and they can all be fired, given how DeG basically said "Fire me, I don't care" and Rex suddenly understands it's time to cut Sanchez loose. The best news would be not just McElroy starting but Woody deciding to win.
By Byrdman on Dec 4, 2012 | Reply
'64 Frank – I would have given anything back in 2000 to have somehow broken into the Jets draft "war room" and told them to draft Brady. If you recall that was the year NY had 4 first round picks, we drafted Chad Pennington with one of them. I was screaming "NO, NO take Tom Brady" As a Michigan fan I knew all about Brady but knew almost nothing about Chad because Marshall was basically irrelevant. It's one of the most bizarre events in NFL draft history EVERYBODY here in Michigan thought Brady would go in the first 3 rounds. Only way to explain it was the prior history of mediocre U of M QB's in the NFL – Brian Griese,Todd Collins,Elvis Grbac plus Brady's NFL combine was "unspectacular" Imagine how different the last 12 yrs coulda been?
By ron alexander on Dec 4, 2012 | Reply
S.C.JOE, Sorry dude but as some losses sting more that others some wins are so ugly I cant agree with you on this one.But thats the beauty of Randy's Blog; we can agree to disagree! But you know I'm a big fan of your posts! Byrdman, I also like Mallette a lot and you could be right about him. I do have some doubts as he is not as fierce a competitor as Brady & I have read he has a little Sanchez in him as far as reading defences & pocket awareness? Hey, we can worry about him when the time comes. Right now I'm more concerned with how were gonna ever be able to get past A.Luck & the Colts once he figures it all out?
By By Jet Fan Since 1964 Frank on Dec 4, 2012 | Reply
Byrdman, these are Cold, Hard Football Facts: Few quarterbacks in NFL history have been surrounded by more talent than Marino.
In his 17-year career, Marino played with 55 players named to the Pro Bowl. Marino himself was named a Pro Bowler nine times. That's a remarkable 64 Pro Bowl players, or nearly four for every season Marino spent in the NFL. Four times in Marino's career, the Dolphins boasted five or more Pro Bowl players in a single season. Compare that with New England's two Super Bowl teams, which had a total of just five Pro Bowl players.
Marino also had the rare luxury of joining a team that had played in the Super Bowl the year before he arrived. He also played most of his career for the winningest coach in NFL history,
By By Jet Fan Since 1964 Frank on Dec 4, 2012 | Reply
He lost. If any quarterback in NFL history walked into an ideal situation in which to win a Super Bowl, it was Dan Marino. Want to know the real reason why Marino never won a Super Bowl? Sadly, the answer sits with Dan Marino himself.
Simply put, Marino did not elevate his game in the playoffs. In fact, his played dropped off quite noticeably. Upon coming out of college two commentators stated Marino may be over=rated (which he was not in my eyes) they also stated he he may not have the arm power for long balls (I dis-agree) and they were John Facenda and Frank Gifford….
By Mike Jet Vet on Dec 4, 2012 | Reply
IRA, KARAN, RON, Like Mark or not ..yes, he's a good kid. BUT! Tell it to the 23 million unemployed people in this country, While he was dating Movie stars Posing on the cover Of GQ magazine, getting paid 60 million without remorse for us suffering fans,playing third rate Ball 4 seasons now He was given more than a fair shot to become that Guy he failed miserably," Feel bad for Mark No Way!!" I Feel bad for the Fans, guys and Gals on this site who've watched this joke suffering monetarily…waiting and hoping all these years , What did he give us in return, GIVE ME A BREAK. I want him to win a super bowl. HE isn't cutting it
By Joe on Dec 4, 2012 | Reply
Tom from what i have been told the last thing you want out of a qb is the inability to make all the throws on the field (as BYRD MAN POSTED )IT MAKES A JOB A TON EASYIER for D CORDS IF THEY DONT HAVE TO WORRY ABOUT BEING BEAT LONG .My part said a QB like McElroy will basically SEE PRESS COVERAGE ALL GAME BECAUSE OF THE LACK OF ARM STRENGH (he equated it to BRINGING A KNIFE TO A GUN FIGHT )and in todays NFL IT SIMPLY WONT WORK .At this point we got nothing to lose the problem is DO WE PIN THE FUTURE ON HOW THIS KID PERFORMS THE NEXT FEW GAMES (NOT DRAFT SOMEONE )Personally i think were seeing another PENNINGTON who wasnt a bad QB but wasnt a SB CALIBER QB EITHER
By Joe on Dec 4, 2012 | Reply
Mike JET (AS USUAL )CANT A AGREE WITH YOU MORE .Anybody know if SANCHEZ has OFFERED TO GIVE BACK ANY OF THE TENS OF MILLIONS HE HAS RECIEVED BECAUSE HE FAILED TO PERFORM =DONT THINK SO
By ron alexander on Dec 4, 2012 | Reply
MIKE JET VET, No argument here! Well said. My observation was purely personal. Inspite of his struggles I never heard him point the finger or single out team mates who ran the wrong route or dropped catchable balls. 99% of the criticism here is justified. And no I dont feel that bad as his bank account is a lot bigger than most of us here. I'm just not a hater! JET FAN FRANK, you make a great point about Marino's talented teammates. Duper& Clayton made his life very easy as they consistantly ran under his hurried throws. I also remember Don Shula being in charge of the rules & competition committee. I heard this also made him incharge of the referees? I dont know this to be a fact but I do recall it being mentioned in the N.Y papers.
By Joe on Dec 4, 2012 | Reply
IT sounds PETTY but you guys remember when NAMATH was in the qb meeting on HARD KNOCKS offering advice on how to hold the football to avoid fumbling .Sanchez was rolling hi eyes ect I just dont know IF SANCHEZ EVER WANTED IT BAD ENOUGH
By scjoe on Dec 4, 2012 | Reply
Ron/Byrdman, I like Mallett as well, I think he is head and shoulders (even at this point) above anything we have on this roster, BUT, I am not quite sure he is a Tom Brady! That remains to be seen. Also factor in the length of his contract, if Brady plays another 2-3 or 4 years, where does that leave Mallett when his rookie contract expires? Does Belichek franchise him with that enormous cap hit? Does he trade Brady? Does he trade Mallett? Stay tuned.
By scjoe on Dec 4, 2012 | Reply
64, I am one million percent in favor of McElroy starting every game for the rest of this season AND competing with whom ever they bring in next season. Yes, maybe this kid is the long term answer, then again, maybe he is not. It is way to soon to know. All I am saying is they simply can not come to camp in 2013 with these exact same QBs and expect ANYTHING to change from what we were forced to accept this season.
By By Jet Fan Since 1964 Frank on Dec 4, 2012 | Reply
SC, I feel like you, Play McElroy, give this kid a chance. Let him prove once and for all he has talent. Give him a shot at either becoming the QB he was in Alabama or failing. At least the JETS front office will know one way or another if this kid has what it takes. Indie is next. We need points against Luck and Company. MS can not give us that.
By Mike Jet Vet on Dec 4, 2012 | Reply
Cont, BTW if Sanchez wasn't pulled we lose that game even against what almost may be a team worst than ours …
By Jet Fan Since '64 Tom on Dec 5, 2012 | Reply
I'm with you on this Mark Pity-Party, MJV. Of course, Ira has already made clear he has this quirk of rooting for former Jets on other teams, whereas my attitude once they're gone is I wish them no ill but I couldn't care less about them. I don't know how far I'd take the Sanchez $60 million/23 million unemployed (which is a fake number anyway, it's probably more like 40 million), but I do know that MS hasn't been worth a fraction of the $ and picks we spent/wasted on him. He didn't "lead us" to any AFC title games and in fact held us back in both of them. Time to let him go by any means necessary and start thinking of winning big instead of that old Jet fan neurosis, rooting for favorite players instead of for the team as a whole.
By Jet Fan Since '64 Tom Waiting for the Sun on Dec 5, 2012 | Reply
joe, I wouldn't pin any big hopes on McElroy just yet but as you well know, one of the classic flaws of the Jets org is drafting guys and never finding out if they're worth playing. Putting Mc up against anybody from Smith, Vick, Flynn, or anybody we draft next yr is fine with me, even if I don't think those vets are likely to be the answer. And that's because like scjoe, I'm satisfied that neither Sanchez nor Tebow will ever be great on this team. Sanchez looks worse this yr than I ever could've imagined and the Jets seem to think Tebow is even worse than I think he is. So there's nothing to lose in trying a whole bunch of different new QBs over the next few yrs 'cause the one we're starting on Sunday is never gonna measure up.
By ron alexander on Dec 6, 2012 | Reply
S.C.Joe, Great point about Mallett.I was hopeing we would draft him last year too.
I dont think he is without flaws as he is not the most mobile guy and his decicion makeing & pocket awareness are not up to Brady's level. And your point about the timing of his career is excellent as well. i dont see him being willing to wait around till brady retires so at some point in the near future N.E. will either have to trade one of them or loose him via F/A?
By Byrdman on Dec 6, 2012 | Reply
Tons of blame to go around with Sanchez; Jets for drafting a 1 year wonder, Whoever hired Matt Cavanaugh as a QB coach, Tann/Woody for botching the Stanton acquisition then, making a "headline grabbing deal" for Tebow. Tbomb for the lack of weapons, Sparano's predictable offense. Mark might have developed into a good QB, had he been slowly groomed for the position but what he lacks: mental/emotional toughness, leadership, pocket presence, peripheral vision, poise under pressure etc are traits which can't be taught – they're inherited gifts from God if you will.
By By Jet Fan Since 1964 Frank on Dec 6, 2012 | Reply
Well, here we go again. MS is the starter against a high scoring Colts team with Luck at the helm along with a bunch of rookies on there team and each game they play they get better and better. Can we say that about the "JETS". Ryan I don't know what your thinking, So I guess I will have to stand by your decision (bitterly) and say… "LETS GO JETS"….


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Added 5.2 BiS
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That makes sense Ion, I'll take a look. Thanks.
Hello Kromus,
I am making this message because I've read all your guide and I think it's a good one and it's explained well the way you think of how to use a holy paladin. Unfortunatly i cannot apply this guide because i am in a special situation. But I would like to know what you think about the situation I am in and maybe with your experience you could be of some help ?
I got a disipline priest in my core 10 man and I had intented to make my holy paladin more like a counter to big incomming damage.
Priority stats: Intelligence, Spirit, Haste and mastery~critical strike.
For the talent i changed some because your way to explained it show me that I was wrong:
Tier 3 eternal flame
Tier 4 clemency
Tier 5 divine purpose for the mana effiency (because i am always mana hungry)
and i change recently my tier 6 from holy prism to light's hammer.
Major Glyph
divine plea to be instant and not over time mana regen
the flash of light to heal the next target for a additionnal 10 % for the next 7 sec.
and the lay on hand mana recovery.
For the gear
Here is a link to see what i have achieve on my caracter for now ( I hope it will work and show you my sheet on mrrobot, fingercrossed):http://www.askmrrobot.com/wow/gear/b...4-27e01050c2b3
I would like to have your opinion on my situation and I would like to get more explanation regarding the balance and advantage for the mastery versus the haste.
Would it be better if I reforge all for mastery ?
To make it short I plane to make a paladin for the situation bellow, to buy a little time for a tank and one or two dps to finish the boss who is at 1 or 2 % of dying.
Or do you have some tips to help me be more like : well we are in deep s**t the damage will kill us. the paladin say: NNNNOOOO not while I am alive and succeed to give like 10 or 20 sec more that would be enough to kill the big bad a*s raid boss that we are struck at 1 or 2 % hp ?
Thank you for taking the time to read me. And thank you for anything you will say in the futur.
P.S. sorry for the spelling or any mistake of grammar english is my second language.
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I really need you to format your post as it is a chunk of text that is not readable for anyone
Once you fix the post I'll answer any questions you may have!
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Hello Kromus
Thank you for the quick reply and job done ! XD
got a problem when I tried to send it.
Mastery > Haste as Mastery directly affects out healing throughput via the bubble that is the direct % of mastery to % of your direct heal on a person (I sit at 32.67% mastery currently while going for my 3506 haste rating in 25m raiding, other wise it goes to 39% mastery). That means you are healing for nMastery% more with every direct heal, where haste is only going to make your casts faster and have one haste breakpoint (3506).
Looking at your gear you are not high enough iLvl to be looking at haste. I would advise reforging everything into mastery if the slot already has spirit as you are going to be oom very fast at that early stage of gearing.
Holy Paladins are very useful with all of their utilites, focus on your hand of (insert name here) spells including purity which is unbelievable in ToT as almost every boss has periodical damage (which is reduced by 80% while purity is up and all other damage by 10%).
Lay on Hands, our direct healing and holy power really makes us a desirable class to have as we have very high throughput on single target, have MANY OH SHIT buttons, and can 2 heal beside a disc priest without being a nub.
Hope this helps!
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hello kromus,
Thank you for the piece of advice here. I clearly skip a step and i will change that. And thank for the hand of purity I will use it. Also i was always oom in my 10 man I didn't had enough mp5 to regain the mana for a holy light if I was casting it non stop.
I will try to gear more and when I will reach the same peak as you I will think about the haste break point.You tips were of good help and I will look forward for more raiding !!!!
Kromus (I believe that's your name), how large are the bubbles able to get going straight mastery? When I hadn't reformed at all, they were capping out at 102k roughly, and even with reforging to haste, they're still close if not equal. I would post a link to my armory, but I'm at work right now and on my cell.
The Illuminated Healing stacks on top of the old one you casted (meaning it is not counter productive to have 2 holy paladins in the group) and will cap out at 1/3 of YOUR max health. This is designed so that we cannot place an infinite bubble on the raid. The higher mastery rating will simply make your bubbles hit their cap faster. (So getting fortitude during a raid is a MUST).
Hope this explains it.
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hey kromus, ty for your guide it's very helpful but I'm having some issues on healing...
After 3 year playing wow, it's my first time healing and after a few raids with my friends (a disc priest and a resto druid) I'm pulling 40k~50k hps while them get 70k+...so I think I'm missing some important points on heal priority, like:
- how many times I should use AW, DF, that angel (forgot the name sry) in a fight? It's on cd (one at time) or I keep for important moments? how I know when is the better time for these skills?
- should I use holy light while healing the raid or is better heal with divine light for mastery shield? (in both cases using holy shock on cd and EF with 3 holy power)
- What do you think about using crusader strike to generate holy power and just heal with holy shock and EF?
If you can help me I'll be very grateful!
p.s.: sorry for some spelling errors or is difficult to understand what I meant, english is not my mother language and I'm typing from a cellphone lol
Link your character, any parses and I'll look at it, I can't tell what is going on without these pieces of info.Thanks!
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Ok Kromus!
this is my toon http://us.battle.net/wow/pt/character/azralon/Naitadin/simple
I'm gonna raid later and then will post parses for you analyze.
Ty for your time!
Edit: Here's my lei shi kill http://www.worldoflogs.com/reports/r...?s=3287&e=3652
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Your gear checks out, however look at my guide regarding your talent and glyph choices. Also I haven't received parses yet.Kromus
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IE: Keep up the good work!
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Hi! First post on here!
I'm currently in a raid team that has 9/12 normal progression in ToT, I have recently swapped from the T14 4 set bonus to 522 to upgrade, and I'm not quite sure why but my numbers don't seem to have changed much (gone down at times!), I'm making sure to use Holy Shock often but I'm still getting used to the extra 2 seconds it has now.
I was just looking for general advice really, my guild's team 1 (I am in team 2) does not currently have a Holy Pallie so I thought I'd look around the web!
I've noticed your comments regarding when its best to gem pure spirit and I'm thinking that I might need to change, I do feel like I'm running a little low sometimes, though that may be an overhealing issue.
Perhaps you could help with just general advice?
Armoury: http://eu.battle.net/wow/en/character/saurfang/Orcitent/advanced
Some Parses:
-- With t14 4 set --
Megaera : http://worldoflogs.com/reports/wryb5...=27561&e=28020
-- Without t14 --
Megaera: http://worldoflogs.com/reports/4o8ge...?s=5145&e=5584
Primordius (Tank n' Spank tactic): http://worldoflogs.com/reports/4o8ge...=11879&e=12293
Dark Animus: http://worldoflogs.com/reports/4o8ge8wqcwyorqso/sum/healingDone/?s=16548&e=16967
-- From Yesterday --
Council: http://worldoflogs.com/reports/34w556osk6ni122g/sum/healingDone/?s=6434&e=6964
Tortos: http://worldoflogs.com/reports/34w556osk6ni122g/sum/healingDone/?s=8709&e=9026
Megaera: http://worldoflogs.com/reports/34w55...s=9890&e=10421
Hope there's not too many parses there but.. I guess the more there is the easier it is to see where I'm going wrong? At this point I just cant see what I'm missing...Thanks for taking the time to read through and look at this post, I look forward to reading any comments and criticisms that you find!
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Hey there. Recently, we ended up with a second Holy Paladin (Our third healer is a Disc Priest- typically she's holy). This guy is less geared than I am- I'm talking raid finder stuff.
However his HPS is much higher than mine and that seems to be all my guild really cares about are the flat numbers. I was wondering if you'd be able to give me any suggestions or something. I don't have any parses unforunately.
My armory link:
For comparison, his:
Any help would be greatly appreciated!! I was toying with the idea of going haste, or even -gasp- Crit, but I just wanted to get some opinions! I asked the other paladin what he was doing and his only response was "healing stuff", so that isn't helpful WHATSOEVER.


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Movement 1a: Kyrie eleison
Movement 1b: Christe eleison
Movement 1c: Kyrie eleison
Movement 2a: Gloria
Movement 2b: Et in terra pax
Carolyn Sampson (soprano), Hilary Summers (alto), William Unwin (tenor), Andrew Foster-Williams (bass), The King's Consort, Robert King (conductor)
Movement 2c: Gratias agimus
Hilary Summers (alto), Andrew Tortise (tenor), Andrew Foster-Williams (bass), The King's Consort, Robert King (conductor)
Movement 2d: Domine Deus
Movement 2e: Qui tollis
Movement 2f: Quoniam tu solus sanctus
Movement 2g: Cum Sancto Spiritu
Movement 3a: Credo
Carolyn Sampson (soprano), Hilary Summers (alto), William Unwin (tenor), Andrew Foster-Williams (bass), The King's Consort, Robert King (conductor)
Movement 3b: Crucifixus
Movement 3c: Et resurrexit
Carolyn Sampson (soprano), Hilary Summers (alto), William Unwin (tenor), Andrew Foster-Williams (bass), The King's Consort, Robert King (conductor)
Movement 3d: Et vitam venturi saeculi
Carolyn Sampson (soprano), Hilary Summers (alto), Andrew Tortise (tenor), Andrew Foster-Williams (bass), The King's Consort, Robert King (conductor)
Movement 4: Prélude religieux, pendant l'Offertoire
Movement 5: Ritournelle
Movement 6: Sanctus
Carolyn Sampson (soprano), Hilary Summers (alto), Andrew Tortise (tenor), Andrew Foster-Williams (bass), The King's Consort, Robert King (conductor)
Movement 7: O salutaris hostia
Movement 8: Agnus Dei
Bon Dieu, la voilà terminée, cette pauvre petite messe. Est-ce bien de la musique sacrée que je viens de faire ou de la sacrée musique? J'étais né pour l'opera buffa, tu le sais bien! Peu de science, un peu de cœur, tout est là. Sois donc béni, et accorde-moi le Paradis. (G Rossini, Passy, 1863)
Dear God, here it is, finished, this poor little mass. Is it sacred music that I have written or damned music? I was born for opera buffa, as you know well! Little technique, a little heart, that's all. Be blessed then and grant me Paradise.
In 1829, at the age of only thirty-seven, and having written thirty-six operas in nineteen years, Rossini retired. He had always put off writing commissions to the last possible moment and then worked with extraordinary speed to complete them: several of his operas were written in only three weeks. Maybe he simply no longer needed the money or, having written so much, he was exhausted.
Rossini had been born, in 1792, into a musical family. His father was a trumpeter in Pesaro, a small city on the Adriatic, and his mother an opera singer who worked in theatres across the region. The young Rossini travelled with them, sang, played the viola and the French horn and rapidly acquired a reputation as a fine keyboard player. Whilst still a student at the Bologna Liceo Musicale (where he fell in love with the music of Mozart) he composed his first opera. His first professional commission in 1810, La cambiale di matrimonio for the Teatro S Moisé in Venice, led to a string of further engagements, leading to the triumph of L'italiana in Algeri (1813), which at the age of just twenty-one ensured that (with a dozen operas already under his belt) his international reputation was firmly made.
Two years later he was hired as musical director of the two opera houses in Naples. He was required to compose a new opera annually for both of them—he nearly kept to this schedule. Meanwhile, his greatest opera buffa, first performed in the Teatro Argentina in Rome in February 1816, Il barbiere di Siviglia, brought him even greater acclaim. But from the start of the 1820s his rate of production slowed; he had written enough works to fill any opera house for some years. Instead, he travelled throughout Europe, visiting cities including Vienna, Paris and London, forging connections everywhere he went. In 1824 he was rewarded by being made director of the Théâtre-Italien in Paris, for whom he soon produced Il viaggio a Reims. For five years he settled in Paris, but only four more new operas emerged, culminating in his masterpiece of 1829, Guillaume Tell. And then came his retirement from composing operas.
During the 1830s and '40s Rossini was often mentally exhausted and physically ill, his state made worse by his demoralization at the political changes which were sweeping through Europe. He maintained a part-presence in Paris until 1836, but this was largely because he was fighting for the restoration of an annuity which had been granted him but then rescinded after the 1830 revolution. Relations with his first wife, Isabella Colbran, had become strained, and he had started an affair with Olimpe Pélissier. North Italy again became his major base, and Olimpe moved with him. He was to marry her in 1846 when Isabella died.
His only major composition during this period was the Stabat mater of 1841, which was received with huge acclaim in Paris, where it was performed at the Théâtre-Italien, and in Bologna, where the conductor was Donizetti. But despite its success Rossini remained depressed and ill. Finally in 1855 he returned to Paris, hopeful that where Italian doctors had failed to cure him, French ones might succeed. Whether it was the doctors, or just the French way of life, he returned, almost literally, to life. His humour was restored, and he built a luxurious villa in Passy, on the outskirts of Paris. He began to entertain a wide circle of musicians and intellectuals: indeed, a visit to Rossini, now fully restored as a renowned wit, gourmet and bon viveur, became almost obligatory for any person of artistic note or admirer visiting the capital.
He started composing again, albeit mostly small works—some 150 chamber pieces, many of which he referred to as his Péchés de vieillesse, his 'sins of old age'. He and Olimpe held Saturday evening musical events at which these works would be performed, along with arias from his operas. Often they were witty pieces, poking gentle fun at the latest compositional traits or musical fashions, but they were also sometimes graceful, elegant—even sentimental. From 1857 he became a subscriber to the new, critical edition of the works of Bach—another composer whose works he so admired.
Like so many composers, as old age came upon him, Rossini began to plan a composition that would be his memorial, and that might even assist in his admittance to the next life. Rossini spent a considerable amount of time and care in writing in what he called his 'final sin of my old age', his Petite messe solennelle. At the start of the manuscript he wrote:
Petite messe solennelle, in four parts with accompaniment of two pianos and harmonium, composed during my country vacation at Passy. Twelve singers of three sexes—men, women and castrati—will be sufficient for its execution: that is, eight for the chorus, four for the solos, a total of twelve cherubim. Dear God, forgive me for the following comparison: twelve also are the Apostles in the celebrated coup-de-mâchoire [jaw thrust] painted in fresco by Leonardo, called The Last Supper, who would believe it! Among your disciples are some who strike false notes!! Lord, rest assured, I swear that there will be no Judas at my supper and that mine will sing properly and con amore your praises and this little composition which is, alas, the final sin of my old age.
Lasting well over an hour, Rossini's Petite messe is not exactly petite. And it was written not with the acoustics of a church in mind, but for performance to a select audience assembled in the lavishly furnished salon of the newly built Paris town house of the Comtesse Louise Pillet-Will. Rossini supervised the rehearsals and turned pages for the first pianist, Georges Mathias, setting the speed for each movement by nodding his head. It certainly is solennelle, for it is a heartfelt religious work which shows the extraordinary compositional capabilities of this astonishing man of the theatre: it is full of drama, pathos, colour and intensity.
The opening of the Kyrie is both solemn and dramatic, with two soft keyboard unisons leading to a poised, running bass, over which the voices quietly enter. Rossini's score is full of specific dynamic instructions, sometimes ranging in one single phrase from pppp to ff. The Christe, for unaccompanied voices, emulates the old polyphonic style of the renaissance in a perfect double canon: two pairs of voices exactly imitate each other at two bars' distance—another demonstration of his sound compositional technique—before the second Kyrie returns to the opening music, now with greater intensity.
The Gloria opens in grand style with two extrovert instrumental bursts, a pair of vocal fanfares and finally an extravagant tutti. The 'Et in terra pax' sets a mysterious, incense-laden mood, a bass introducing a solo quartet of singers who move artfully through a series of related major and minor keys before the music opens out at 'Glorificamus te'. The reverential mood continues with 'Gratias agimus', a solo bass quietly ecstatic in his opening phrases, joined first by the alto and then the tenor: two wonderful bursts at 'propter magnam' bring added drama.
Italian opera style comes to the fore in the tenor aria 'Domine Deus', but if we return to Rossini's own markings, he does not primarily intend to create the grand virtuoso aria which this movement has subsequently often become. Much of it is marked to be sung pianissimo, more as a prayer than as a demonstration of macho singing. In following this instruction of restraint the climactic moments where the music opens up become all the more splendid.
The atmospheric soprano and alto duet 'Qui tollis' is a masterpiece, wonderfully responsive to the text; suffused with melancholy, its passionate outbursts are enormously effective and deeply heartfelt. It was a movement especially admired by other composers: Verdi even copied a phrase from it into his Requiem. The bass solo 'Quoniam tu solus sanctus' is another fine movement, full of variety and lyricism, stretching the soloist over nearly two octaves and demonstrating not only Rossini's melodic gifts but also his innate grasp of musical structure. The piano link that concludes it (sometimes cut) is a fine one, leading to a reprise of the opening material of the Gloria, here texted 'Cum Sancto Spiritu'.
Rossini now moves to territory of which he is the undoubted king: an electrifying fugue. In the opera house this would be a show-stopper: here it is utterly compelling. His genius is that, just when it is apparent that he has surely played all his musical cards, he trumps himself: as a final coup, the vocal and instrumental fanfares return, and Rossini piles in another set of rising Amens. This is thrilling music!
Many composers have struggled with the long text of the Creed, either producing a movement which is overly extended, or one whose structure becomes laden with many separate movements. Rossini, a man who once said that he could set a laundry list to music, produces a masterful movement which possesses real form, clarity and variety. Is his opening speed indication, Allegro cristiano, slightly tongue-in-cheek? Or is it, as the music certainly seems to indicate, at once committed (after the piano fanfare motif which permeates the opening section) in its forceful repetitions of the word 'Credo', yet respectful in its more romantic setting of 'in unum Deum'? It is certainly strong music, becoming more intense at the layered 'per quem omnia facta sunt' and triumphant 'descendit de caelis'. 'Et homo factus est' is truly dramatic. And then the soprano soloist's 'Crucifixus' is desolate, its ravishing melody set against a gently rocking piano part and sustained harmonium chords.
'Et resurrexit' is always a great moment in any fine setting of the Creed: Rossini's massive B major chord does not disappoint, its chromatic trilling under 'secundum scripturas' momentarily lending a surprisingly discordant touch. Rather than continuing in celebratory vein for 'Et ascendit in caelum', Rossini instead returns to the more muted opening music of 'factorem caeli', enabling him to achieve another series of layered build-ups, with frequent returns to the single word 'Credo'. Then comes another show-stopping fugue, 'Et vitam venturi saeculi', which builds up inexorably, grants a brief moment of relief and then allows the pianos to escape from the triumphant chordal Credo in a cascade of scales.
Rossini is said to have inserted the 'Prélude religieux' into the mass only just before the first performance, creating not just a dramatic effect but also allowing the singers a moment to catch their breath. He lifted it straight from his Album de chaumière. Its serious, chordal opening is Chopinesque, and is followed by a solemn, flowing fugue whose angular subject-matter makes it sound at once both quite modern, yet also (through its two- and three-part writing) harks back, and pays homage, to the inventions of Bach. He also adds a brief 'Ritournelle' for the harmonium, largely to prepare for the tonality of the Sanctus. This unaccompanied movement comes closest of all to sentimentality, but stops short through the occasional use of adventurous, forward-looking harmonic writing.
'O salutaris hostia' had first appeared in Rossini's Miscellanée de musique vocale as one of the composer's Péchés de vieillesse. Though not a formal part of the Ordinary of the Mass, this text, in honour of the Blessed Sacrament, was often included in French masses of the period. Set for solo soprano, it mixes an ardent opening section, gloriously melodic, with two more forthright statements of 'Bella premunt hostilia'. The final Amens are exquisite.
In the Agnus Dei a solo alto twice presents an ardent prayer over a hypnotically repeating piano rhythm, first in E minor, then in a more positive C major. The choir answers both sections with a calm plea for peace. With the alto's third statement, starting in the darkly distant key of E flat minor, and now taking up the text 'dona nobis pacem', passions slowly start to rise, and after the choir's plaintive third entry soloist and chorus unite. Rossini's handling of the build-up leading to a massive first climax, in E minor, is masterful but, as always, he has an even greater moment still in store. Once again the music rises, but this time at the critical moment in its inexorable final surge it modulates, spectacularly, to the major: all the parts are marked, for the only time in the work, tutta forza. Little wonder that people at the first performance were reported to have been completely overwhelmed, for this is astonishingly powerful music from someone who utterly believed in what he was writing, and who fervently hoped that his prayers would be answered.
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The reception, to launch the charity's 'Opening Doors Campaign' was generously hosted by Samantha Cameron and the door of Number 10 seemed like a very good place to start.
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On Monday night, The Magic Circle staged the finals of its annual competition to find the Close-Up Magician of the Year. Eight of the club's top magicians performed sleight of hand illusions for a specially invited audience at The Magic Circle Headquarters.
The President of the Magic Circle, Jack Delvin said, "To win this competition requires outstanding technical ability, sleight of hand, performance skills and a strong personality. James rose to the top across all these criteria." This is the second time that James has won this award.
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Breaking Magic!
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Breathe Magic Camp Sydney.
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Here's the video report from ABC News.
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Check out Jessica Chastain's dramatic hair makeover! The actress has chopped her long auburn waves into a chin length bob for her role in The Disappearance of Eleanor Rigby.
It's a brave move, but she mustn't have had time to worry about the change – the drastic haircut took place between takes. Jessica filmed scenes with both long and short locks on the same day. So thank goodness the swift trip to the hairdressers left the 35-year-old with a cut that shows off her cheekbones, rather than a hair disaster. Phew!
Jessica isn't the only actress to go for a drastic hair makeover for a role. Anne Hathaway, Natalie Portman and Charlize Theron have all shaved their heads to get into character, as have Demi Moore and Cate Blanchett. Oh, and who could forget Kristen Stewart's mullet 'do for her role as '80s rocker Joan Jett? And we thought we were brave for getting a fringe!
Unlike Jessica, who seemed unfazed by her major makeover, Anne has said that getting her Les Miserables buzz cut left her in tears, poor lamb. She said: "I've now done back-flips out of windows, I've jumped off buildings. And cutting my hair reduced me to, like, mental patient-level crying. I was inconsolable."
Click through our gallery to see more movie stars who've gone for the chop for a movie role. We applaud them all for their fearlessness, but do have to ask – why not just wear a wig?
Whose movie makeover do you like the most?