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Idzik: 'What We Do Will Really Prove True'Posted by on January 24, 2013 – 11:05 am
Updated, 4:45 p.m. ET
Today is not John Idzik's first day on the job, but it's still a big day for him, and not just because his parents are celebrating their 60th wedding anniversary.
He and the Jets are flying forward as he met the media for his first news conference as the Green & White general manager. The event was big enough that it's being held in the team's auditorium, rather than the media interview room, and the half-hour intro to the reporters and fans was being streamed live and is now available as an archived video on newyorkjets.com.
That being said, Idzik showed up in understated but unmistakable Jets mode, coming in through the football entrance door to the complex shortly after 7:45 a.m. wearing a gray business suit, a small oval Jets lapel pin and a patterned green tie — "It's really tough to find Jets-green ties in Seattle," he said.
Then as part of his busy day, he spent 15 minutes shortly after his arrival to chat with us about the start of his Jets tenure, which actually began with an ambitious schedule the first half of this week at the Senior Bowl practices in Mobile, Ala.
"It's been like one big, long day," Idzik said of his first week on the job. "Everything kind of flows together. I took a little diversion to the Senior Bowl, which was good, got to spend some time with Rex, quality time with the personnel staff. We got to know each other a little bit down there, so that was very valuable."
Much has already been speculated about the relationship between Rex Ryan and the new I-Man in town. Idzik met the Jets head coach during the interview process and again in Mobile. The relationship seems simpatico, in part because as Idzik said, he spent time around the Jets under his father, the team's offensive coordinator from 1977-79, in a way not dissimilar to a younger Rex hanging with his dad, then-D-line coach Buddy, and the Jets of the late Sixties and early Seventies.
"Rex and I are cut from the same cloth, we're both football brats, so we have a lot in common that way," Idzik said. "We shared some of that when we first met. He's a very energetic, engaging, optimistic, enthusiastic coach, an accomplished coach, so those are all qualities that you look for. I think it's vital that the GM and the coach have a very close working relationship. My first days with Rex have been very positive and I'm very much looking forward to working with him."
John, "a skinny receiver trying to gain weight" during his high school years (he admitted to measurables of 6'4″ and 175), spoke fondly of his time back then hanging with the Jets and especially with his father, John Sr.
"Living in a football family is very rewarding, but it's also very challenging on a family. You don't see your father that often because of the hours," he said. "But me, being the only boy, I got to spend all the camps and games together with my dad. I was fortunate to observe him, his coaching style, and to be with the players back then — they actually let you run routes at minicamp, so catching passes from Richard Todd, Matt Robinson and Pat Ryan, that was really neat.
"But yes, I spent a considerable amount of time with my dad and he obviously had a major influence on me both from a professional standpoint but, more importantly, a personal one. He taught me lessons much beyond football."
One of the lessons from inside the game was the value of a good running game. Idzik was not urging Rex to reembrace "ground and pound," but one thing the Jets of the late Seventies did well as they built their offense back to mid-Eighties prominence was to run the ball to the top of the NFL charts in 1979.
"I think it's been well-established in our league that you need to be able to run the ball," Idzik said. "That was certainly part of my father's philosophy when he was offensive coordinator. He did it by committee back then. We did it in Seattle in a different fashion. So yeah, I think that is important."
Idzik, needless to say, thinks the passing game and the scoring dimension are every bit as important. As he said about the Jets' offense, "We'll go through the specifics with Rex and his staff," and he'll address those specifics a little more in response to reporters' questions in the 11 o'clock hour and we'll put a news story together on that news conference with some of those replies.
As for a lesson taught beyond football, it was the value of teamwork and the importance of the new cast of players, coaches and staff he's now meeting and will be going to work with in the coming days and weeks and months.
"The mission statement would be about developing and maintaining a cohesive unit, all pulling together for a single purpose," he said. "It sounds trite, but it's more difficult to do, and I think in football there's no more visible evidence of that being the mode of success, just pure teamwork. So job one for me is to learn the people in the building. We have a lot of good people here. And we'll get to know each other and I'll get to know what everyone does, and more specifically as we get into planning, to do a thorough roster evaluation and then start developing plans for free agency, salary cap and the draft."
That segued nicely into his response to my question about any misperceptions he may have read or heard from the reporting about his candidacy to become Woody Johnson's new football executive.
"I don't pay too much attention to perceptions," he said. "What matters to me are the people I work with. That's reality to me. I don't address misperceptions. I think what we do will really prove true."
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By Christopher on Jan 24, 2013 | Reply
All I can say is good luck Idzik, this job will make or break your career.Ex-Jet executives are not exactly a hot commodity.
By Tom on Jan 24, 2013 | Reply
The most important (ADDRESSED) issue I like from our new GM and I quote "to do a THOROUGH ROSTER EVALUATION and then start developing plans for free agency, salary cap and the draft". He has a difficult ahead of him. I like him already.
By kleckofan on Jan 24, 2013 | Reply
Great piece Randy; I'm sure there's much more to come on the "I-man" (like the nickname too). It sounds like we got a good one; love the Jets ties to childhood. It's a business, but a small dose of emotion and sentamentality is a plus.
I said at the end of the last thread (being out West, I often come late to the column) thanks to scjoe, RonBo, Gary and the rest for the draft info; it's impossible to keep up w everything.
I am very much on the Matt Moore bandwagon. I like his skills, smarts and his handling of the Garrard injury,Tannyhill etc; made me respect him a lot. He should be our focus, followed by getting rid of Sanchez in the most beneficial way; whether that be a late cut or a trade. I want and think we NEED him gone.
By Karan on Jan 24, 2013 | Reply
Please do not re-sign Shonn Greene. Trade him at least or Mendenhall or someone else. Make Powell the starter or who ever you can trade Greene for. McKnight needs many more carries. Consider signing guys like Ben Tate or Justin Forsett.
By Tom Spicer on Jan 24, 2013 | Reply
Ronbo, I am making suggestions about potentail QB'S. I dont see anyone else on this site coming up with something better. Also Chris Mortensen said Mallett could be had for a 2nd round pick & that new Browns VP of Player Personnel Mike Lombardi had Mallett as the #1 QB prospect coming out of the draft in 2011. So call Chris Mortensen & Mike Lombardi. Than tell them about it!
By Phillippe Farach on Jan 24, 2013 | Reply
Welcome to the Jets Mr. Idzik. I hope you and the jets staff work well to convert this team into a super bowl caliber team next year. Good luck to all of you this off season.
By walt on Jan 24, 2013 | Reply
I think that the Jets would be complete idiots not to trade revis.Corner back as far as I am concerned is the strongest area on the team and since the Jets have needs in other areas it only makes sense to trade Revis.I am tired of Jet players who have had lucritive contracts with the team leaving for other teams and the Jets getting nothing in return.
By Anthony DeSena on Jan 24, 2013 | Reply
I am a life long Jets fan. You guys trade the best player this team has ever had I am DONE.
By By Jet Fan Since 1964 Frank on Jan 24, 2013 | Reply
From what I have read and studfied about John Idzik's and tghe comments he has made concerning the offense I feek he is going to fit right in and be an asset to the JET'S OFFENSE. His knowledge of reviewing players in the draft is fantastic. We need running backs and he addressed this situation right from the start. We need QB protection and addressed this situiation right from the start.
RANDY I really feel IDZIK will will do the right thing….
By Byrdman on Jan 24, 2013 | Reply
JETS LOOK TO FORGE NEW "ID" WITH GM ! Haha, OK I feel better now !
Think all the Revis trade talk is overblown secondhand rumor, based upon some vague comments made by former GM candidates. It would make more sense to shop Cromartie, Harris and Holmes or do a "sign and trade deal with Keller" If I'm Idzik i'm looking to get the cap under control AND restock this team with 8 to 10 draft picks in 2013 and 6 to 8 picks in 2014. We may not recognize many faces in '14 but, this team has to get younger, faster and more competetive- Agreed? Chance Warmack is showing up in several mock drafts for the Jets – I LOVE IT, lets build the best O-line in the game while we draft and groom the future QB.
By Scott T on Jan 24, 2013 | Reply
I really liked that he said the draft was going to be the teams bread and butter. I really hope we start stock piling picks, and adding real talent through the draft. I don't want to see us give away picks and trade up for avg players ala Shonne Greene.
I mean its obviously its early, but I think Idzik is going to get this franchise heading in the right direction
By scjoe on Jan 24, 2013 | Reply
After listening to the entire press conference I came away very impressed. Mr Idzik sounded very intelligent, very sincere, concise, honest and forthcoming. If you had to place a grade on him for the "talking the talk" segment of his initial Jet career it would be an A+ Now comes the all important task of manning up to the talk segment and actually going out and "walking the walk" However, you can not even begin to grade him in that phase for at least a couple of years. That said, I think we will get a pretty good indication of his capabilities between now and the beginning of camp with his first draft and FA signing period and his handling of the cap out in the open.
By Tom Spicer on Jan 24, 2013 | Reply
NFL Network's Mike Mayock pointed to Arkansas QB Tyler Wilson as one player who capitalized on his Senior Bowl opportunity after a relatively disappointing senior season. Mayock called Wilson perhaps the one quarterback generating the most "buzz" in Mobile this year. "We talked a little bit about Tyler Wilson's senior year, which was difficult, versus his junior year, which was superlative," Mayock said. "I think what we're seeing right now is that, given the opportunity to come out here with all that baggage gone, I think he's taken advantage of it. I think he's looked real good. … Wilson's a guy I've heard a lot about this week at night from the coaches and scouts. Because he had such mixed reviews coming off the tough senior season.
By Tom Spicer on Jan 24, 2013 | Reply
Came down here, spun it pretty effectively." It's a good sign that Wilson shined in live practices as a pure thrower of the ball. In-pocket toughness — not tested in the Senior Bowl atmosphere — is his most impressive trait.
By jetsfan80 on Jan 24, 2013 | Reply
Christopher, a man who helped build a Super Bowl team in Tampa and helped put Seattle in about as solid a state as any team in the NFL does not have to worry about a GM job with the Jets "making or breaking" his career. Sounds like he's built up a pretty solid resume to me.
Based on past results and what I've seen on the field in Seattle, I think Idzik is well-qualified and will do an awesome job as GM for our Jets…if Rex allows him to make good decisions that are best for our future. Rex lets his heart get in the way and gets too attached to players. That's a good thing sometimes, but it hurts the franchise when trying to plan for the future. I like Idzik's approach…evaluate, build through the draft and make good trades and signings.
By GaryC on Jan 24, 2013 | Reply
I kinda like Idzik,he is low key but when he finally makes a move it will be a bombshell,a little like the Pacino character in the Devils Advocate,who says never let them know your coming.As for Revis,talk to the Bengals,they have young talent and picks and Marvin Lewis is a defensive coach.
By GaryC on Jan 24, 2013 | Reply
Be careful,if the jets trade Revis they might be looking at Milliner the corner from Alabama,still cannot see all that confidence in Kyle Wilson.I still want to look at Woerner,the non stop motor guy from Florida State,much stronger at the point then Mingo,reminds me a little of Justin Smith with the size and strength.
By MIKE on Jan 24, 2013 | Reply
One good thing about Revis rumours is that the Jets are clearly looking at all angles to improve there depth. There is know way the Jets fill the holes of NT, 2 OLB, G T, WR, RB and QB in one offseason. If the Jets keep Revis, you still don't have a playoff team next year and while the team reloads talent Revis will be 29 or 30 till there competitive again. With good talent evaluation Jets could end up filling some major holes if they deal him for picks.
By GaryC on Jan 24, 2013 | Reply
Sorry guys,If the cowboys can trade Herschel Walker for picks,I can trade Revis for picks,your not building your team by trading Scott,Pace,and Thomas,what are you getting except some used golf balls.
By GaryC on Jan 24, 2013 | Reply
If the jets by chance,do select Chance Warmack,maybe he becomes as great as another Alabama guard,that being John Hannah,the jets can only hope.
By scjoe on Jan 24, 2013 | Reply
This quote from Cimini today is very, very, disturbing. "• Ryan all but confirmed that Sanchez, who was benched late in the season, will return. He said Sanchez, almost untradeable because of an $8.25 million guarantee, is "popping out of his skin" to work with new coordinator Marty Mornhinweg." For Mark Sanchez to be on the 2013 NY Jets roster in ANY capacity OTHER then a B/U would be an enormous mistake!! God knows, there have already been way to many enormous mistakes.Work a trade if possible, otherwise, cut your losses, admit to a huge mistake, and move forward.
By Jet Fan Since '64 Tom Ready for Real Change on Jan 24, 2013 | Reply
That "Tom" guy isn't me in disguise but we sure think alike! After yrs of Rex's "Me and Mark will be here for 10 yrs;" after his "Darrelle's the best player in the league, Santonio's the best player on the field;" after Woody's "You can never have enough Tim Tebow;" after Mr T throwing $ at guys who just started to earn their previous $; WHAT A RELIEF to have a GM who says "I'll tell ya what we're doin' when we do it, until then GET LOST!" All the press wants to do is spin anything he'd say negatively anyway. As for Revis, "speechless" is the way I'd like to see him from today to the day we trade him for a bunch of picks. He's spoken quite enough and mostly about how underpaid he is. GaryC's right about it takes something to get anything!
By scjoe on Jan 24, 2013 | Reply
GaryC, there is 1 or 2 things to consider when talking about trading Revis for "picks" the first is the fact he is coming off of a major injury, and secondly he is in the last year of his contract. I would doubt very much he would bring anything more then ONE pick, hopefully, depending on the teams needs,( Det, T.B.?) it would be a first rounder. Even with that, I am certain his new team would need a signed agreement extending his contract. Don't think this is going to be as clear cut as some believe. Worse case? He stays through 2013, has a nice year, and we get NO compensation and can't franchise him. Best case? Someone in need offers a #1 now!
By GaryC on Jan 24, 2013 | Reply
JetFanTom,remember last year when I mentioned the Kid McDonald the safety from Usc being Tim McDonald son,well now the old Cardinal safety is on Jets staff,can the son be far behind.
By Jet Fan Since '64 Tom Ready for Real Change on Jan 24, 2013 | Reply
I just wanna congratulate the startlingly high number of posters — basically, almost everyone — who sees the wisdom of dealing Revis before the 2013 draft. Actually, it's just about the only move there is. 1, we're gonna be rebuilding during what's left of his prime. 2, he never shuts up about $ and probably never will, wherever he goes. 3, we can't franchise him. 4, he's coming off this injury so it's particularly inappropriate for him to start up that "I wanna be the highest-paid CB" jive. 5, he's a weasel, always leading in the press with "I wanna retire as a Jet" as if his outrageous salary demands don't even exist in this universe. Exactly the kind of player we've always overpaid for at the expense of other needs, LOSE HIM NOW!
By Chicago Bob on Jan 24, 2013 | Reply
Can't hurt to gauge the interest in Revis, to say someone is untouchable is insane ……you just don't know what some teams will offer. I think we all know if he does stay, it is going to be a monster contract that might create salary cap issues down the road. I would love to see Revis stay however if Idzik feels his contract is going to hurt us in the long run, let's look at other options. You never know how desperate other teams are. Some of you older guys might remember the Packers trading two #1's, one #2 and two #3's for a 34-old John Hadl. I am not saying the Jets would get that for Revis however you never know until you try. Revis (of all people) should realize this is a business and stop this nonsense about being "speechless".
By scjoe on Jan 24, 2013 | Reply
If the NY Jets select Chance Warmack (A GUARD) with the # 9 overall pick in the 2013 draft that would be their biggest mistake since selecting JaMARKis Sanchez # 5 overall in the 2009 draft!! Please say it aint so John!
By Uncle Joe on Jan 24, 2013 | Reply
If Revis stays I would not give him a dime more than Cromartie.
By Uncle Joe on Jan 24, 2013 | Reply
Glennon is the best QB in this draft followed by Wilson. Neither will be there at nine. I would LOVE to have Matt Moore on this team.
By IRA on Jan 24, 2013 | Reply
Gary, Cincy is 55 mill under the cap as of now and they could well afford Revis but I would think they will try to trade him to an NFC team if possible.
hard to take very much out of today but I thought Idzik spoke well at times and danced around certain questions he was not ready or wanted to talk about. Seems like a very focused guy that has a plan but will need time to get it into place. Expect lots of changes to the roster and hope he keeps a strong personnel staff in place that he will need to succeed. I like that he talked about the decisions will be a team effort but rest assured he will have final say on matters or he wouldn't have taken this job.
Revis is due a roster bonus come March let's see what happens.
By Jet Fan Since '64 Tom Ready for Real Change on Jan 24, 2013 | Reply
scjoe, whattya worried about? Sanchez has about as good a chance as thriving in a WCO as I do of getting his job. If no team wants him, he'll be his usual terrible next summer, put no pts on the board, this time people like Ira will admit that not scoring in pre-season matters, and he'll lose the job to Mc, Moore, or whoever else goes up against him now that "Mark's the starter" is no longer the policy. I think the problem is the fantasy that we're going anywhere next yr no matter what. Next yr is all rebuilding, probably with an eye toward picking a QB #1 in 2014. Which is why trading Revis, and Holmes if possible, and cutting a ton of guys is the way to go. You're ahead of the curve on McDonald(s), GaryC, that's for sure.
By MIKE on Jan 24, 2013 | Reply
Karan, there is absolutely know way the Jets keep Greene.
1) They are moving to a west coast offence which usually involves smaller pass receiving RB's like Eagles Brian Westbrook and L McCoy.
2) Powell has emerged to be the teams most versatile RB anyway.
By Tom Spicer on Jan 24, 2013 | Reply
If the Jets are to trade Revis they have to do it now. Next year he can walk as a free agent & we will get nothing in return. It also says in his contract that we can not franchise him. The Jets need to either trade him or sign hm long term. The anti Jet media is trying to down play what we can get for him but the bottom line is this last year Miami got a 2nd round pick from the Colts for Vonte Davis. Vonte Davis could not shine Revis shoes. Cromartie is wat better than Davis nevermind Revis. Anyway we had the #3 pass D in the NFL without Revis. If Vonte Davis who has off the field issues & is not a quarter of the player Revis is we should get at leats a 1st round pick & 4th round pick. Revis is the best corner in the NFL & is squeeky clean
By Tom Spicer on Jan 24, 2013 | Reply
off the field. Just imagine what we can do with a extra 1st round pick & antoher high round pick. Stock pile picks load up on QB, RB, WR, OL & OLB.
By Charliejet on Jan 24, 2013 | Reply
Revis said " I feel bad the fans have to go through this" – didn't feel bad for the fans or his team mates holding out on his contract – twice at that. Hypocrite.
By since shea on Jan 24, 2013 | Reply
Some guys wanted to see a more brash hard talking GM. This could be a great poker player. Certainly a departure from the loud mouth Rex. We shall see. If we draft Oline and other logical positions of real need, then clearly we are headed in a smarter direction. If not, then Rex is really in charge. As for Revis, I dont see how we can keep him. We cant franchise him so he will not play for us in 2013 (tweeked hamstring or flat out hold out). You cant give him all the money. Yea, I dont like trading away our best guy but we dont have alternatives.
By since shea on Jan 24, 2013 | Reply
As for sanchez, I am trying to read the handwriting on the wall. Rex says that MS is chomping on the bit to pitch in MM's west coast offense. And Jeff Garcia is on the NYC airwaves talking about how great his QB camp is and how much it helped Alex Smith and how our beloved MS called Garcia and how much better Garcia is going to make MS……… get the picture? The NYJ PR staff is already floating the idea that MS stays. Maybe the GM will really use whatever money we have to fill talent needs on the line and skilled positions? Maybe he sees that the real QB potential is next years draft so why waste money on a one year band aid this year?
By since shea on Jan 24, 2013 | Reply
How about getting a 1st round and a 3rd round for Revis, trading down from 9 to get another 1st and a 2nd. That gives us two first round picks, two seconds and two thirds before getting started with the rest. 6 quality picks in the first 3 rounds can get you O line, TE, OLB , CB, RB. Amazing isnt it? How we NYJ fans look so forward to the draft every year. Always hoping that maybe this is the year. Its who we have been. We will get there. I believe it.
By Chicago Bob on Jan 25, 2013 | Reply
Just read a story (Jets are denying it) that they would part ways with their OL coach – hopefully if this is true they have already been in touch with Mike Tice – he did wonders with nothing while coaching their OL – at least the Jets have Brick and Mangold and (hopefully) someone like Fisher or Warmack after the draft.
By christian on Jan 25, 2013 | Reply
Revis for alex smith and……..
By Karan on Jan 25, 2013 | Reply
You know what would be an awesome WR tandem for next season and I guess you can also say affordable:
Braylon Edwards
Percy Harwin
Jeremy Kerley
Stephen Hill
Jerricho Cotchery
By Karan on Jan 25, 2013 | Reply
Trade Santonio for Percy, don't know if Vikings would ever want that. Add in Chaz Schilens and Tim Tebow/Shonn Greene. Hahah
Re-sign Braylon for cheap
Sign Cotchery for cheap, work something out with Pittsburgh, trade perhaps??
Kerley and Hill are already under contract.
I don't think these will costly at sll. The main issue here is obviously the Holmes situation but this 5 WR chart sounds pretty darn good to me.
By cgb on Jan 25, 2013 | Reply
Don't think you will see the same dysfunctional jets next season. rex must comply with idzik and what he wants going foward , He knows the leash is short. Plus he wants to stay around. Revis may stay or not, but thats not the big question.Idzik will find other ways to stay under the cap. Competition for all positions ,but especially QB. Maybe via the draft and or, free agency.Then lets see what happens during OTA'S and mini-camps. We may turn this thing around sooner then later.
By GaryC on Jan 25, 2013 | Reply
Scjoe,these are the options with Revis concerning other teams,are they getting the player he was,the player he is,or the player he can become again,hopefully for the jets it is the latter and teams will take a chance and the jets can get more picks,we need more teams on that Island,putting in their bids.
By Frank on Jan 25, 2013 | Reply
We'll see where this leads. Is it really a shock he said he has to evaluate the roster including Revis. I have suggested we trade Revis since last year no one other than a franchise QB is worth 15 mil per year its that simple.
Disconcerting: Rex has input in personel that is a really bad idea. Second Rex hires Marty a west coast offense guy then hires Lee as QB coach a wildcat specialist and then says Sanchez will be on the team next year and he told him to "erase the hard-drive". Here we go again placing square pegs in round holes this formula WILL NOT WORK!!!!!!!!!!!!!. I absolutely can't stand to hear another word out of this guy. I am disgusted. Woody should have cleaned house period.
By SCfromNY on Jan 25, 2013 | Reply
scjoe: You caught the one thing I hated about the presser,"Mark is popping out of his skin!" It still shows an love for Sanchez that should be dead by now. He has no place on a rebuilding team. There is NO upside. He can not read defenses, he has no leadership ability, is an inaccurate passer, folds under pressure, and sulks like a child. No one can fix all that. A new beginning is needed. If we have to have him hold a clipboard to save money, so be it. I NEVER want to hear,"MAARK GIVES US THE BEST CHANCE TO WIN." AGAIN.
By Tom Spicer on Jan 25, 2013 | Reply
I think this will be Rex & Sanchez last year on the Jets. I think at the end of this year Idzik will get rid of both of them. With the way the NFL has gone you cant touch the QB, cant hit him high, cant hit him low, cant touch him out of the pocket, cant touch the WR after 5 yards. I see this year as Idzik making major cuts our team being really bad this year & next year. Marty being the head coach is this passing based league with Sanchez off of the books in next years draft. Marty will take his own QB to groom & we will start from scratch.
By GaryC on Jan 25, 2013 | Reply
Jetfantom,very good dig on the McDonalds comment,AHEAD OF THE CURVE,ha.
By GaryC on Jan 25, 2013 | Reply
Ira,it is time we stop worrying about teams in our division or conference,get the best deal possible,too long have the jets worried about what other teams are doing within division and conference,good teams only worry about improving by any means necessary.
By GaryC on Jan 25, 2013 | Reply
Please,lets not forget Jordan White when it comes to our receivers,we have him,Hill and Kerley as our young group,why is Gates still here and why hasn't Sanjay Lal been let go.
By GaryC on Jan 25, 2013 | Reply
when Idzik said the jets are going to build thru the draft,Rex's first reaction was to say,WHAT'S THAT.
By judalation on Jan 25, 2013 | Reply
I will play Devils Advocate… A GMs job is not to get consensus from his underlings.. But be the BOSS. I hear a Yesman who is going to do whatever REX wants. I will assume that's the case until proven otherwise. Unless the Jets get rid of Revis and Sanchez and draft some talent. I will assume its the same ole Jets!
By Frank on Jan 25, 2013 | Reply
Spicer during the draft a few years ago as Mallet feel into the third round I suggested we draft him and low and behold the Pats grabbed him. There is zero chance we can get him he is the heir apparent to Brady. Speaking of which little Bill has to be thinking if Brady is coming to the end. Brady is coming up small in the big games the last few years and looked particularily bad vs the Ravens this year. He will be 36 and I wouldn't be surprised if he doesn't get to the Superbowl next year it will be his last under Belichick.
There are no sure fire QB's this year and I really hope Idzick doesn't try to force the issue by picking one in the early rounds this year.
By scjoe on Jan 25, 2013 | Reply
SCNY, you are so right re: Mark Sanchez, the thing is they screwed it up so bad by extending his contract (for no reason I might add) that it is beyond repair! It will be almost impossible to trade him even if there was a taker, not unless the Jets pick up a huge portion of his salary, and if they have to do that they may as well keep him as the #3, meaning there would have to be season ending injuries to # 1 & 2 for him to ever touch the football.
By scjoe on Jan 25, 2013 | Reply
cgb, agree with everything you said. I too think this can be turned around much sooner then many Jet fans believe. The biggest issue is at the QB position and there are a few options out there to correct that. A pass rushing OLB a capable RB to fit the WCO, a starting caliber OT, OG and safety will go a long way in turning it around in 2013. It will all come down to the FO making some good sound decisions. I for one feel a little more comfortable this year then any of the past 5 or 6 under TBum.
By Tom Spicer on Jan 25, 2013 | Reply
If Darrelle Revis holds out this summer, then the final three years of his contract will not void.In other words, a holdout is not an option for Revis. If he did so, Revis would lock himself up through 2016 at only $3 million per year. A holdout was never realistic because Revis needs to get into the facility to rehab his knee.
By scjoe on Jan 25, 2013 | Reply
64, I am worried! I wish, hope, pray and beg that it turns out like you described above, but my feeling is, if he is on the roster anything can happen. If they are really serious about turning this thing around it has to start with cutting ties with Mark Sanchez, any way possible. Ira, re: Idzik, you have to remember that press conference occurred his first day in the building. Sure, he skated around a couple of questions, but how can he answer them truthfully before even sitting down with the staff and evaluating the entire roster?
By 40 year fan , John on Jan 25, 2013 | Reply
I think we could re structure Revis's contract and keep him ? Why can't we have good players like everyone else in this league ? Trade Sanchez and tebow for Stafford ..Trade Santonio for Larry Fitzgerald …Pay Tony Gonzalez to play another year here ..Draft Linebackers , and some running backs ..Trade, and build a new front line cause this one doesn't work …
By 40 year fan , John on Jan 25, 2013 | Reply
If Idzik is serious about having a running game , we better look to replacing much of our o line …Because it's a failure …They can't block ..
By 40 year fan , John on Jan 25, 2013 | Reply
We need to get rid of Sanchez , and our entire QB staff now …Before the off season ..
By scjoe on Jan 25, 2013 | Reply
ESPN has a good article today about likely landing places for Revis. Confirming what I said just recently Tampa Bay is at the top of that list followed by Atlanta and Indy. All have cap space and all are in need of a #1 CB. The list also includes Cincy with a ton of cap space and 2 of the top 36 picks. Interesting!
By Tom Spicer on Jan 25, 2013 | Reply
From the Buffalo news "Fitzpatrick is certain to be cut this offseason before a $3 million roster bonus is due." This would be a great QB to bring in for competition for Sanchez. Before all the usual suspects comment about Sanchez coming back. The GM already said he would be back with competition. 2 years in a row with above 60% completions, 49 TDS in the last 2 years & 3,832 passing yards 2 years ago. If we can get Fitzpatrick & not have to give anything up to get him. Who can we get without trading for that would be better than him?
By Tom Spicer on Jan 25, 2013 | Reply
One NFL general manager said the interest in Darrelle Revis is "one of the biggest potential trade markets for a player ever."
"There's a Revis gold rush forming," said one general manager. According to CBS' Mike Freeman, the Jets are asking for a first- and second-round pick in exchange for Revis, which certainly wouldn't be out of the realm of possibility if he were healthy, but that's a high price for a guy coming off a torn ACL. Teams that have been linked to Revis are the Patriots, Broncos, 49ers, Bills, Seahawks, and Packers, according to Freeman. You can rule out a trade with the division rival Patriots and Bills
By 40 year fan , John on Jan 25, 2013 | Reply
Matt Stafford is a more Jets style QB …
By Jet Fan Since '64 Tom Ready for Real Change on Jan 25, 2013 | Reply
Factor this in, since shea, even if Ranger 46 didn't stick around for his close-up: "The Jets met with Glennon Tuesday at the Senior Bowl week, according to a mole in Mobile. In fact, they spent an inordinate amount of time with Glennon, a 6-foot-6 passer who has drawn comparisons to Joe Flacco because of his size." That's exactly the problem with trying to keep Revis, Uncle Joe, no way he cuts his price 50% from $16 mil a yr to Cro's $8 mi. Chi Bob, a story on the NFL site today compares the Revis trade (if you say it, it will come) to the Reggie White trade. Karan, you live in the past more than Rex, Idzik didn't take the job to get sentimental about J-Co and Braylon, don't be surprised to see all new WRs except for Kerley and maybe Hill.
By Tom Spicer on Jan 25, 2013 | Reply
The Jets need to call the Bengals they have the 21st, 37th & 54th picks. We can trade Revis to the Bengals for there late 1st, early 2nd & late 2nd round pick. We would have 2 1st round picks & 3 2nd round picks. With the 9th, 21st, 37th, 39th & 54th pick. We would have 5 of the 1st 54 picks. This would be the best possible outcome for the Jets & put us in a postion to not only load up on young, fast, cheap talent. In my eyes it would be the faster way to us getting back to contending for a championship!
By Jet Fan Since '64 Tom Ready for Real Change on Jan 25, 2013 | Reply
Spice, that Revis story on NFL starts with this — "The Darrelle Revis hot-stove talk is just getting fired up. According to ESPN New York, one source gathered from talking to New York Jets owner Woody Johnson that the three-time first-team All-Pro is "gone." — which is the best news of all. If Woody's saying Revis has to go for all the reasons some of us have said, it means the era of throwing too much $ at 3 or 4 players at the expense of the team is OVER! judalation, you don't sound like much of a card player. It's not in Idzik's interest to say ANYTHING about what he wants to do, now or ever, which is why he didn't. He needs to keep all his options open on rebuilding the team over 3 yrs or so. scjoe, read the Glennon story and relax.
By Jet Fan Since '64 Tom Ready for Real Change on Jan 25, 2013 | Reply
More to judalation and scjoe on Idzik, Sanchez, and new QBs: Why should Idzik tell anyone anything his plans at QB? He doesn't have to care what "Mark" or even Rex thinks, they've been here 4 yrs, he just got here. If it was IDZIK talking about MS "popping out of his skin," THAT would worry me! I look forward to Rex mouthing off and having no impact on what the team does, and that's already started: He says "You guys know what I think of Revis…" and the next day the news is Revis is gone. I see it happening shortly after the SB as you wanna go to the Combine,into FA, and of course the draft knowing what you're gonna do at CB. Randy didn't print a post of mine about Revis last night but let's just say I'll cry no tears when he's gone.
By Jet Fan Since '64 Tom Ready for Real Change on Jan 25, 2013 | Reply
As for the emotional impact of losing Revis, any of you ever heard the shrinks' model of going from "I did it again" to "I'm doing it again" to "If I do it again…"? So we committed the crime of trading Abraham to draft Revis: Today Abraham's a good if aging DL on a team that folds in the big ones. We sinned by offering Leon only $10 mil for 2 yrs: He returns kicks on a team that's just getting anywhere in a decade. When Revis is on SF or TB and whoever we draft on O is helping us win a couple games a yr 45-10 and score in post vs the better D's, no one will even remember who Revis is. Jet Fan Sickness #379: Rooting for players instead of the team 'cause it's impossible for the team to ever amount to anything. Thanks to Idzik, that's OVER!
By Jet Fan Since '64 Tom Ready for Real Change on Jan 25, 2013 | Reply
Frank, you're also worrying too much and Spicer's right, Idzik and MM didn't come here to ride Rex's Fantasy Train. They have absolutely no reason to go along with any of Rex's nonsensical worship of individual players, they were hired by Woody, not Rex. And what don't you get about Woody's willingness to trade Revis as the biggest blow to Rex's alleged power ever? You don't see Rex starting a coup over this, all he says is I love Darrelle and…and…I better keep quiet if I wanna keep my job. If Woody gives Idzik the okay to draft someone like Glennon and MM sees him beating out MS for the job, Rex will just do what he does best: Talk, in this case about how great Glennon is. And then he'll have to just coach and if he can't, he's gone.
By Jet Fan Since '64 Tom Ready for Real Change on Jan 25, 2013 | Reply
I'm reprinting this ESPN post not 'cause we have to take Glennon but to help some of you folks envision the idea of life after "Mark": "Glennon looks legit and the best QB prospect in the draft (check out his 2012 highlights on youtube if you have not watched NC State this year). He has a cannon of an arm and good touch on his short ball. He is not an "athlete" but moves well in the pocket. His decision-making skills are not quite there yet and we will have to see if he can consistently (he did make some this year) make those tight-window NFL-type throws but the Jets would be wise to take him Round 2 – he will be the first QB taken once all of the workouts/combines/interviews are done and may not be there when the Jets pick in Round 2."
By Stevesc on Jan 25, 2013 | Reply
When I read some comments about who the Jets should trade for, I ask this question: What makes anyone think these other teams are willing to make these trades? 40 yr fan, who in their right mind would trade Matt Stafford for Sanchez and Tebow and Holmes for Fitzgerald? I just don't see it happening as some of the others I've seen mentioned here. If you're going to trade, then trade for draft picks. DRAFT, DRAFT, DRAFT, in my humble opinion.
By Byrdman on Jan 25, 2013 | Reply
40 year fan John – You couldn't get a lock of Matt Stafford's HAIR for Sanchez and Tebow – Tone for a pair of Fitzgerald's old socks, maybe !
Spicer – yeah I'll take Fitzpatrick for NOTHING !
I hate to see Revis go – still think this trade talk was "manufactured" and based upon a warning shot across the bow of the SS Revis by Woody Johnson.
If Jets don't get multiple 1st and 2nd round picks it's not worth making a deal.
Huge blockbuster trades don't happen in the NFL, not since Dallas absolutely "fleeced" Minnesota 20 years ago. It just doesn't happen because every GM in the league saw how that trade built the Cowboy SB dynasty and killed the Vikings!
By JetBlu on Jan 25, 2013 | Reply
1st impression: Idzik seems to be a guy who is just the opposite of Rex. There's purpose to what he says and what he reveals. It's time for this organization to begin the process of overtaking the Patriots. He'll put up with Rex only until he knows he has a replacement for him. Let the rebuliding begin. CAN'T WAIT!
By Chicago Bob on Jan 25, 2013 | Reply
Hopefully there is enough interest around the NFL to get teams to bid against one another for Revis' services. This team is in a rebuilding mode and it makes no sense to give this guy a monster contract which will eventually hurt us from signing quality free agents. Revis is a great player however if you can get offered a couple # 1 picks for this guy, you have to consider it (depending of course on where those picks are in the draft order). I don't see any Lombardi trophies in the Jets headquarters since Revis' arrival – I would say it is safe to say the chances are slim of any arriving in the near future with our current overall talent a lot thinner than before.
By Mike on Jan 25, 2013 | Reply
You people crack me up oh lets get Mendanhall or lets get Matthew Stafford, people turn the damn light on!! the Jets are 19.8 million over the salary cap which means they are running in the red. You people want the Jets to Sign top name guys forget it. Not this year,, time to start reorganizing some of these high price no producing players contracts, that either get hurt and are out for the season, or better yet get hurt and want to hold out for more money.
The Jets are a joke and will be until they can fix the mess that MT made. Get Reall people.
By Jet Fan Since '64 Tom Ready for Real Change on Jan 25, 2013 | Reply
ESPN business analyst Andrew Brandt, a former Packers executive, offered his take on the Darrelle Revis situation. Speaking with Ross Tucker on an ESPN podcast, Brandt painted a grim picture, suggesting the Jets are tired of Revis' money grabs and want to send him packing. "I just sense this is never going to stop with Revis. Forget the fact that he's hurt all year; this is going to be an issue and I sense the Jets have known this for a while and they might as well try to get some value before he turns free agent a year from now. I sense this is going to be a recurring issue, into the year, and that's why they want to move it. They just want to get this off the team." Brandt also says Revis "will never be happy" with any amount of $.
By Jet Fan Since '64 Tom Ready for Real Change on Jan 25, 2013 | Reply
And so GaryC and MJV, Brandt's thinking is one of the biggest reasons I want Revis gone — and why I wrote that harsh passage about him that you didn't print, Randy. WHO NEEDS THIS JIVE? Every other yr he starts with his "I wanna retire as a Jet for more more $ than the 5 best players in the league," Uncle Sean weighs in, we still lose, we still give up a lot of 3rd-and-longs, we can't score pts, but Rex and plenty of loser Jet fans take comfort in Revis starting in the Pro Bowl, the game that every NFL fan takes off. This would be insanity on the best team but on one that has serious needs at almost every position, it's not even worth discussing. Maybe we should trade him to STL so he's stuck with Schotty and Rob Ryan!
By Tom Spicer on Jan 25, 2013 | Reply
"According to ESPN's Adam Schefter, people around the league expect the 49ers to decide Alex Smith's fate "well before" April 1. On that date, Smith's $7.5 million salary becomes guaranteed if he's on the 49ers' offseason roster. Per Schefter, the 49ers will owe Smith "nothing" if he's traded before March 14. If he's released before March 14, the 49ers would only owe him a $1 million roster bonus. So March 14 is essentially the deadline for Smith. He's not going to be with San Francisco any longer than that." This is what I have been trying to tell you guys there could be QBS that will be out there that will be cut by other teams just because there teams dont want to pay them. For example Alex Smtih, Ryan Fitzpatrick & Matt Flyyn may all be
By Tom Spicer on Jan 25, 2013 | Reply
cut outright if teams cant trade them.
By kw64fan on Jan 25, 2013 | Reply
40 yr…We do not want Stafford as you say a Jet style QB. We need a QB now that is dynamic, smart, cannon of a arm that is accurate. As far as Sanchez is concerned, unless there is some financial miracle that can happen, he will be on the team in 2013. There is no way we can eat $8 million towards cap. Next year we can cut him outright unless he drinks from the "Fountain of Infamous QB's" and becomes next Jow Willie. And what is Jeff Garcia teaching…certainly NOT an 'elite QB' in his day. With a heavy heart…yea Revis needs to be traded for Picks in draft. Secondary still good (BETTER resign Landry then) but may lose half of it to FA. Bell goes…but Landry has to stay to keep the fearness in the middle.
By Tom Spicer on Jan 25, 2013 | Reply
On NFL.COM "The Jets reportedly are seeking a package including first- and second-round picks for Revis". If Idzik can pull this off we would have 2 1st & 2 2nd round picks. Do it DO IT!
By steven on Jan 25, 2013 | Reply
Trade Revis, Crowmartie, Holmes for a bunch of first and second round draft picks and next year move up and get a franchise quarterback. Get Eddie Lacy to go with next years franchise quarterback. Get a couple of pass rushers this year who are 6'7 and 280 lbs and fast like freeney. Get Hayden Smith on the field. He is a beast. Get another 6'8 TE.
By steven on Jan 25, 2013 | Reply
Greg McElroy can be good
By Jet Fan Since '64 Tom Ready for Real Change on Jan 25, 2013 | Reply
Looks like they lost a post I had on Kim Jones being wrong about "alienating" Revis, or maybe there's a limit to how many posts by the same fanatical Jet fan the site will keep "awaiting moderation." What I said is that Woody and Idzik have already decided to trade Revis, they're sending the signal out around the league, and the deal will happen shortly after the Super Bowl. well before the Combine, the start of FA, and the draft. That's the way a pro org is supposed to operate, so I'm cool with all that.
By BillsJets on Jan 25, 2013 | Reply
Don't give up Revis, He's a shut down cornerback, too many other Jet Corners keep getting burnt.
By Karan on Jan 25, 2013 | Reply
Sanchez 2012 Receivers.
1. Holmes: Injured played 3 games.
2. Keller: Injured the entire year.
3. Stephen Hill: Rookie WR who drops the ball.
4. Marty Gillyard: Street Walker.
5. Jeremy Kerley: fifth rounds slot reciever learning a new offense.
6: Chaz Schilens: Played WR for Jamarcus Russell.
By Karan on Jan 25, 2013 | Reply
Jets: bring in Rashard Mendenhall. Just because he had one bad year in Pittsburgh doesn't mean that its over for him. He's an explosive running back when healthy. Bring him in!
By Ronbo19 on Jan 25, 2013 | Reply
UNCLE JOE, I seriously doubt M.Glennon will go anywhere near the top 10 picks. With his less than stellar showing leading up to the SR.Bowl, and awful physical results when his measurement were taken(he had zero muscle tone,poor development in his upper body)Hey the guy was described by one scout as a scarecrow!GARY C, I would not like to see the Jets pick Warmack that high(#9) if they trade down,fine!As I keep stateing, we cannot afford to take an O.L that high due to the cap problems.It would be a mistake as S.C.Joe also stated as there is already too much money tied up on our O.L. Ya gotta think about this stuff as thats exactly why we are in "cap hell' now!
By IRA on Jan 25, 2013 | Reply
You can rest assure that Idzik presented to Woody his plans for Revis and Sanchez during the interview process. He seems to be a very smart guy and already two days in the office and he has the wheels in motion.
This is going to be a 2-year plan but he has a vision of what type of team he wants and my gut tells me if he has the right help around him he just might be smart enough to fix this mess.
By Jet Fan Since '64 Tom Ready for Real Change on Jan 25, 2013 | Reply
"He needs a better supporting cast," Cromartie said of Sanchez. "That's something the new GM (John Idzik) has to look at and evaluate as he's looking at the roster. He needs to get Mark some help." I guess Cro doesn't understand that this kind of flying off at the mouth, so consistently tolerated under Mr T and Rex, isn't exactly what Idzik meant yesterday when he talked about the "we over the me." Keep talkin', Cro, and you can easily become the other ridiculously overpaid CB that we trade before the Combine.
By Jet Fan Since '64 Tom Ready for Real Change on Jan 25, 2013 | Reply
if Revis and Cro are such great leaders, so determined to see the Jets win, why doesn't either of them say, "I'm taking a 50% cut in my pay — which will still leave me as one of the highest-paid players on the team and in the league at my position — so the new GM has more $ to go out and get the players we need"? Why isn't "Mark" so "popping out of his skin" to say, "I'm taking a 90% cut in my pay just to stick around and prove I can play in this league." THAT would be worth talking about! I'm really tired of these guys who suck up all this cash and then run their mouths. Mangold's the only great player we got who don't play that so if we trade everybody but him, fine with me. NO ONE IS UNTOUCHABLE is right, that's how you rebuild a team!
By carl on Jan 25, 2013 | Reply
Whos the CAPALIGST ON THIS BLOG THAT CAN GIVE TRUE #S ?? Hers my thinkin keep Revis and sigh Ed Reed ??? Resign Laron? Cro?Nice Secondary !! Some speed at linebacker . A beast in the middle ala Kris Genkins? Go Jets!!!
By Karan on Jan 26, 2013 | Reply
Sanchez won 6 games with Stephen Hill: Rookie WR who drops the ball, Jeremy Kerley: fifth round slot reciever learning a new offense, Marty Gillyard: A Street Walker and Chaz Schilens:WR who couldn't start for Jamarcus Russell and the 27th ranked o line. Freeman won 7 with a pro bowl WR, RB and the 4th best o line in football, Stafford won 4 with Megatron.
By Jet Fan Since '64 Tom Ready for Real Change on Jan 26, 2013 | Reply
"We can't lose a guy like him," Cromartie told NFL.com's Andy Fenelon at the Pro Bowl on Friday. "(Revis is) a great leader in the locker room and also in our DB room, making sure that guys are accountable for each other. To lose a guy like that would be huge. And even though he's coming off the surgery, I believe he'll come back as strong as ever." What you mean, Cro, is that if we lose him other teams will stop throwing at Wilson and the other sub-par CBs we have and start throwing at you again, exposing you as almost as overpaid as Revis. You're not fooling anybody one bit, dude.
By GaryC on Jan 26, 2013 | Reply
Scjoe,there replaying all the super bowls on the nfl network starting today,You let me know why these qbs in the last 10years are better then what you saw in the 70's and 80's,and yes I know you will say the quarterback who makes less mistakes will win even over a very good quarterback,that goes without saying in most cases,Just Like Bob Bolin beating Sandy Koufax if Bolin throws no home runs as opposed to Sandy throwing two.Watch Doug Williams beat John Elway and nobody would mistake those two when talking very good quarterbacks.It Happens even on more then one occasion.
By GaryC on Jan 26, 2013 | Reply
I was listening to some sports talk shows yesterday,and they also believe like I do you need to get the best deal possible for Revis,even if it is in your own conference or division,you need to open Revis up to everyone,so you have more teams competing and getting a better deal for yourself.
By GaryC on Jan 26, 2013 | Reply
If you talk about Revis to the bengals,you can start with Jermaine Gresham,big athletic tightend and their first round pick,not a bad deal their.
By SCfromNY on Jan 26, 2013 | Reply
Eric Allen's Q&A brought 1 silly question regarding helping Sanchez become a "good" QB. First let's get him to average.
I would LOVE Sanchez for Stafford and Fitz for Holmes. The only problem is the only team stupid enough to make that trade is the Jets and they are there already.
If Revis wants to be a Jet he can sign a contract that shows his worth but is fair.
To me Matt Moore is the best FA QB out there to hold the fort while we hopefully find our starting QB.
No more Greene! Let's find a late round draft pick or FA RB.
By Mike Jet Vet on Jan 26, 2013 | Reply
Keeping fingers crossed, Bye Bye Revis and Holmes. I like this guy already/ I've been calling for releasing Revis since his Second hold out. him proving his greed was more important than team, Fans, and loyalty to the ones who shown faith enough to pay him all these Millions which he so undeniably takes for granted ..Gutsy moves like this makes for disciplined plus instills character in players.. I like it
By Jet Fan Since '64 Tom Ready for Real Change on Jan 26, 2013 | Reply
Greenberg speaks wisely on this very site: "There is no timeline," said Johnson. "You have to have a really good vision of where you are going to go and how you are going to get there." That means Idzik didn't get the job by selling WJ on a quick fix. Good. Also, that the owner is smart enough not to expect one. Better. So while Revis on Thursday tweeted his disappointment that his poor fans have to endure terrible thoughts about a team without him, they are just going to have to suck it up and endure because the org seems in it for a better, longer haul." I disagree with him on Revis and Sanchez, though, who I think could still be gone this yr, and I think McElroy might work in the WCO. The best news is Rex is just along for the ride now.
By GaryC on Jan 26, 2013 | Reply
watching replay of the first super bowl and Chris Burford says in the chief locker room after the game,"WELL I GUESS IT IS BACK TO THE CORNFIELDS',today the players make so much money,they go to the bars to make it rain.Another great comment listening to John Facenda,he says,THE CHIEFS HAVE SOME STARS BUT THE PACKERS ARE A TEAM OF STARS.great dialogue.
By GaryC on Jan 26, 2013 | Reply
Ronbo19 if Glennon is a scarecrow,Brady was emaciated when he came out,do not take too much into account the physique of a quarterback,If Glennon is selected by Jets,then I can go back and bring up the name of another great NC State quarterback of another era Roman Gabriel,Scjoe will love me for that one.
By Ronbo19 on Jan 26, 2013 | Reply
It appears we need a little remedial salary cap help here. To keep this simple we will speak in general(not exact) terms 2013 Salary Cap (ballpark) 125 million
2013 draft class will be alloted about 5 million
Current O.Line commitment 22.5 mill
Committed to Q.B's = 15.5 mill
comm, 2.0 mill to R.B's
comm. to W.R's 15.5 mill ( inc Holmes 12.5 mill)
commit. to T.E 1.5 mill
o.l.b's 4 mill (includes Pace's dead money as he will be cut approx 3 mill)
I.L.B. 16 mill(includes Scotts 1.5 mill dead money
C.B. 23 million (inc 10 mill for Cro 9millfor Revis)
S- 5 mill (includes E.Smiths 3 mill but he will be cut with no hit to cap
D.Line 5.7 mill
Conclusn-O.Line already takes up large % of cap.OLB &RB priority
By MIKE on Jan 26, 2013 | Reply
The Revis trade is a scary thing. If the Jets trade him and cannot get great play out of whomever they get in return or draft picks, it would be one of the worst trades in NF history. One of the greatest CB ever for Gholston and Ducasse. That would not be good.
By GaryC on Jan 26, 2013 | Reply
I think Cromartie needs to put a lid on it,does he have any loose change around to pay for Revis's new contract,and he will feel real good in the locker room with the offensive unit saying Sanchez needs talent around,Sorry,Antonio,you don't have to say it if everyone knows it,another genius.
By Karan on Jan 26, 2013 | Reply
Randy, if the Jets trade Santonio Holmes, will it effect their cap in a negative way? I mean would they save anything or is it a lot of dead money? Im a bit confused when it comes to the salary cap situation. I understand cutting Pace, Thomas, E. Smith, J. Smith would save a lot more, 30 mill, but what would the deal be with Holmes if a trade were to occur?
By scjoe on Jan 26, 2013 | Reply
LOL…I agree with Mike, some of the trade scenarios I read here are hilarious. Remember the cap people? Bottom line, in round figures, the Jets are about 20 mil over, they can easily cut 35 mil, that would put them about 15 mil under. But the problem is, after all those cuts the Jets have about 10 players under contract. Try filling a roster of 43 ( 53 with the 10 already under contract) with 15 mil to spend. Do the math. Best way to handle it? Trade Revis for picks, trade down your #9 for more picks, trade down any time you have the chance, accumulate at least 10-12 picks, sign 2nd tier FAs, at least for this year. Now, that is not conceding anything! You hit on a nice portion of those picks, you will compete.
By scjoe on Jan 26, 2013 | Reply
64, I have already stated here that I believe Glennon will be a 1st round pick. He may even go before the Jets pick at 9. I am really hoping they don't go QB in the 1st round. They need to go OLB. I hope that Wilson would be there in the 2nd round, OR, a Revis trade, or a trade down allows them to pick him higher. Next best option? E.J Manuel (FSU) in the 3rd round, IF, he is still there. This draft will be thee most critical then any in recent memory. It will lay the foundation for Idzik, one way or the other!
By scjoe on Jan 26, 2013 | Reply
GaryC, ALL those QBs in ALL of those past SB wins speak for themselves, they don't need me to confirm what they did. Remember, they had to play pretty well through the year and down the stretch to even get there.
By scjoe on Jan 26, 2013 | Reply
One note of interest. Don't really matter if you run a WCO, a spread offense, a read and react offense, or any other cute little name you can think of, you need a consistent, accurate, mature leader at the QB position to run it effectively. That would eliminate one Mark Sanchez in any of the above. That also begs the question, "how is this guy earning 8.5 million dollars in 2013?" What a crime!!
By Ronbo19 on Jan 26, 2013 | Reply
O.k, so as the Q.B cap is gonna be a problem the only logical fix is to dump tebow which offers a 1.6 savings & a 14 mill total Q.B cost.
Assuming we dont re-sign Greene the R.B 3 remains about 20. mill
w.r # will be about 15.5 unless we can dump Holmes
T.E only 1.5 committed, need an upgrade here F/A fig 3 mill,draft 1 mill to 400g's
O.L, 22.5 committed to Bric,Mgold,ducasse.Cant afford high pick as we are already too high with only 3 players? Late 1st rd or early 2nd Rd pick about 1/2 mill
OLB,Only about 1 mill committed (McIntyre &Sapp only guys sighned?)Need major upgrades here,1draft email@example.com mill if 1st rd. + 1 F/A about 3 mill =about 6.5 mill
I.L.B. big problem here as Harris -
By Byrdman on Jan 26, 2013 | Reply
Ronbo – The first thing I noticed about Glennon- he's a "beanpole" doesn't look like he'd last one season. Watch a little film and he looks real awkward when his pocket breaks down. I don't get the comparisons to Flacco at all – Joe was a great athlete with the best arm at the combine! Glennon is a 6'6″ PeeWee Herman.
With the C.B.A. the huge rookie contracts don't handcuff teams like they used to. Jets could take an O-lineman like Chance Warmack @ #9
We are going to have to replace Moore (age 34 bad hips) sooner or later – Who do you want at guard next year Warmack or Vlad Ducasse ? Unless you think Caleb Schlauderaff is the ANSWER at RG? :D
By Ronbo19 on Jan 26, 2013 | Reply
cont.- alone makes 13 mill.? need to re-think this one!+ D.Davis 665 g's Scotts 1.5 mill dead money when cut,= about 1 mill for B/U's Bellore & Mauga for a total of about 16 mill? WoW! Really bad use of money there!
C.B's 23.5 mill? WoW!, need I say more?
S's Figure Smith gets cut we have the 2 rooks @ 400g's each + 1 F/A @ say 3 mill + 1 Draft pick @ say 400'gs = about 5 mill ( Cant afford Landry who will get at least 6 million or more.
D'Line about 6 mill. + figure another 2.5 mill for P,K, L/S & assorted other bench players. This would total about 114 mill,leaving 6 to 11 mill for f/a's depinding on the final cap set by the league?
By Bitter Blinka on Jan 26, 2013 | Reply
Jet fan '64 Tom: We have to trade REVIS, but that will be unfortunate, not good the way you are making it sound.
He's not the first elite player who has held out.
We will be trading the best player this team has had since Joe Namath because of mistakes in the front office.
We are overpaying average players, like Holmes and Harris and very bad players like Sanchez. Now we have to get rid of our best player?
Cromarte and Revis should take a pay cut you stated? Maybe those players should.
Someone throw hot coffee in my face, Jeesh!
By Ronbo19 on Jan 26, 2013 | Reply
BYRDMAN, as always, you make great arguments. S.C.Joe thinks Glennon is a top 10 pick. I'm thinking mid 1st rd or 2nd Rd. Contrary to what he & Gary C think the fact that he spends so little time working on his body tells scouts he is not as committed to his craft as he needs to be. As for Warmack at #9 please refer to my Cap posts above. The #9 pick will get 2.5 mill to 3 mill.As we already have 22.5 mill in only 3 guys that 3 mill is too much as we need at least 5 more O-linemen.Better to take a kid like L.Warford from Kentucky or Alvin Bailey from Arkansas in the 3rd Rd as they would be under 1/2 mill. Obviously i would love Warmack over Ducasse but we cant fix all our problems in 1 draft.OLB is the priority hers as we need pass rushers.
By Another Tom on Jan 26, 2013 | Reply
Eli declares himself an elite QB..then leads His team to the superbowl. Flacco declares himself an elite QB..then leads His team to the superbowl. C'mon Mark, just declare yourself as an elite QB !
By Another Tom on Jan 26, 2013 | Reply
Gary C..I love your trade proposal with Cinci.unfortunately trading a Revis seems to make sense for a re-building team, but I would rather trade Cro to create $$$$ to keep Revis…
By IRA on Jan 26, 2013 | Reply
Glennon will not be a top ten pick. I don't think any QB will. This draft is not a strong QB draft at all. Without really studying I say maybe 3 or 4 go by the end of the 2nd rd.
By GaryC on Jan 26, 2013 | Reply
Watching this senior bowl,I think I would rather take my chances with McElroy and build around him,unless we stick it out with Sanchez and build it around him.Nothing I saw of these guys warrants a number 9 selection.
By GaryC on Jan 26, 2013 | Reply
It will be interesting with Morninwheg as coordinator now,and see how he uses Joe McKnight,he always found ways to use McCoy and I guess we will see if Mcknight deserves a roster spot.
By GaryC on Jan 26, 2013 | Reply
you can trade down once,maybe twice,but eventually if you trade down too much the talent pool will be gone,acquiring picks with weak talent will not make you better
By IRA on Jan 26, 2013 | Reply
Harris and Holmes will be asked to restructure to find some extra cap space. Everybody has to take a deep breath and let Idzik sharpen his pencil and see what type of magic he can come up with. It won't be easy and most likely take two years to fix this roster.
I can only hope some of the younger players can step up and they have a stellar draft to make this team better.
By Jet Fan Since '64 Tom Ready for Real Change on Jan 26, 2013 | Reply
Spicer, that Revis trade to the Bengals for those picks is brilliant. Ira, my post about Kim Jones that didn't get printed said the same thing that you did, iit's inconceivable that every GM candidate wasn't asked what they thought should be done about Revis, that deal being only the second biggest contractual problem we have other than Sanchez.
By BillsJets on Jan 26, 2013 | Reply
A Jet type QB that we need would be a QB built like a Vinny Testaverde, but of course a young Vinny not a 40 year old Vinny. Tall with a good arm and can take a hit.
By IRA on Jan 26, 2013 | Reply
Ty Law who is a future HOF was cut by the Pats after the 04 season due to a 12 mill salary due for the 05 season. The Pats got nothing in return for him and they used that money for other needs. Well Law was not as good as Revis but at least the Jets now have a choice of getting some value for Revis. Wonder if the Pats would have beat the Giants in 07 if they had kept Law?
By By Jet Fan Since 1964 Frank on Jan 26, 2013 | Reply
With the Jets salary caps and how much they have to spend. Free agency is not going to be the answer, because most of these free agents want "BIG DOLLORS"
Trading Revis and getting rid of some of the high cost players maybe a smart move. I personally am against a REVIS trade but if we can get a #1 and a couple of #2 draft picks that would give us 2 in the first round and a few in the second round. I agree with all OFFENSE is what the Jets need…
By Chicago Bob on Jan 27, 2013 | Reply
Byrdman, couldn't agree more on Warmack. Both guard positions are about to become a major weakness. We all know about the lack of playmakers on this team. It wouldn't help since we can't keep the QB off his butt or cannot open holes for the RB's. The OL in this years draft (Warmack, Fisher & Joeckel) are all rated higher than any of the RB's, QB's and WR's. I have said it over and over, why take a 4-Star "playmaker" when a 5-Star OL is available? We do not have the luxury to reach and blow it. Both OG's are unrestricted free agents. Moore has a couple of good years left and Slauson was better than average. Last year it came down to Coples & DeCastro so don't be surprised if they take Warmack. The guy plays with a nasty streak – we could use
By Chicago Bob on Jan 27, 2013 | Reply
that. I fully understand the league has become a passing game however remember how the New England / Baltimore game ended – the Patriots could not get their hands on the ball at the end of the game because the Ravens ran it right down their throat.
By Mike Jet Vet on Jan 27, 2013 | Reply
No Tom, It's not alienation, I've had a post or 2 dropped for stating basically same I would love to see not only Revis, But Holmes and Wilson gone as well,and I only have like 3 posts in a over week. I agree with all your scenarios on this subject.. REBUILD REBUILD REBUILD .. we need to unload all these overpaid greed mongers, players with sub par talent paid Millions… It's time for a change hopefully this hire is a step in the right direction…
By Byrdman on Jan 27, 2013 | Reply
Pro-football talk.com has an article explaining some of the numbers which make a case for trading Cromartie rather than Revis. Too bad we can't trade Wilson! If he would have had just one good season to justify his draft position, we could shop around but, in reality Troufant was starting to look like a better nickel-corner than Wilson. Aaron Berry was starting to flash before he had some off the field issues in Detroit, seems like he got hurt getting off the plane cause he hasn't played a down here yet.
A couple QB's at the Senior Bowl looked good, EJ Manuel moved the ball and scored on his drives, this kid moved up on my draft board. Tyler Wilson was accurate throwing on the run too. Dysert looked horrible, got sacked, threw a pick.
By Byrdman on Jan 27, 2013 | Reply
Mike Glennon was inconsistent, misfiring on several passes, before connecting on 2 or 3, this kid has the longest neck in football. I'll be stunned if Manuel doesn't pass Glennon and Ryan Nassib on many teams draft boards, Nassib might drop off the board completely.
On the other side of the ball Ezekiel Ansah looked like JP Paul, flying all over the place, tackled Denard Robinson in the open field – that ONE play probably made this guy money in this draft.
Bacarri Rambo looks like a ball-hawk at Free Safety, had one Int, might be somebody the Jets could grab if we lose Landry or Bell.
Can't wait to see who Idzik drafts and what players he trades or cuts. These next 3 month will be critical for Jet Nation.
By scjoe on Jan 27, 2013 | Reply
Chicago Bob, I would say that the Jets top needs n this order are QB, OLB OL. I would hate to see a QB taken with the 9th pick, and I just can't see the Jets taking a guard with that pick, so, for me, it just has to be OLB. I know how critical the O line is, but this team is lacking badly at the LB position, no speed, no pass rush presence, so I think that is where the biggest impact can be made.
By Jet Fan Since '64 Tom Who Has Let Go of All Illusions on Jan 28, 2013 | Reply
Bitter Blinka, with the greatest respect I simply say this regarding Revis (1) I believe his character is inferior and insufficient upon which to rely in building a winning team. He clearly cares much more about money, of which he has already earned an outrageous amount, than he does about the Jets ever becoming champions. (2) He will be at least 30 before this team is anywhere near serious contention again. Thus, it makes no sense to sign him to an expensive long-term deal the 1st 2 yrs of which the team will finish in the area of 6-10 and 8-8 at best. (3) We can't get ANYTHING for him after next yr so we may as well get what we can for him now and apply it to the 1st draft under Idzik and MM, with Rex having less say than ever before.
By Jet Fan Since '64 Tom Who Has Let Go of All Illusions on Jan 28, 2013 | Reply
I'm with you on rebuilding and the way to do it, MJV. What I like most about Idzik and the way he spoke last week is that he really seems to get what most Jets fans know and all but a handful of them and Rex don't: We're not going anywhere anytime soon and need to evaluate the team completely. That and emphasizing the draft are 2 things that Mr T never did and would never do. Which reminds me, Ira, you can admit it, I will too: Aren't you a little surprised by how differently Idzik spoke about rebuilding this team when compared to the way Cohen woulda? Undoubtedly Cohen woulda said how close we are, how "Mark" just needs a little tweak, and how we'll be right back in it next yr. Now only Rex says such nonsense and no one listens to him.
By Jet Fan Since '64 Tom Who Has Let Go of All Illusions on Jan 28, 2013 | Reply
61% of players don't like Goodell and Harrison states the obvious, good for him: "I feel like what he's doing is not totally for the safety of players. … A lot of stuff they've done, [such as] fining guys crazy amounts of money for helmet-to-helmet hits and all that and saying you're doing this for the safety of players. But yet you want to add extra games to the regular season. In the true interest of player safety, I would have no issue with it. But that's not what it's about. It's about money," he told the newspaper. "Who hired Roger Goodell?" That's the question I'll keep asking until someone un-hires him. Worst thing to ever happen to the NFL.
By Ronbo19 on Jan 28, 2013 | Reply
CHICAGO BOB, While i agree 100% with you the Warmack is a beast i still believe we need to address as many of our holes as possible. If we take Warmack at *9 there will be no pass rushers available at our v#8 pick in Rd.2. Additionally, we would be takeing on another big O.L salary as the #9 pick is in the 2.5 to 3 mill area.On On the other hand, if we go OLB there are excellent O.L options available with that 8th pk in Rd.2. We could then go Q.B or R.B in Rd.3, thus getting a lot of bang for our buck.I would love the O.T from Cent. Michigan Fischer 6-7 310 who I think is every bit as good as the kid Joeckel from Tx. A&M. If we could find a team that needed a L.T we coud then trade Brick and then Fischer would make sence. Fischer is too -
By Ronbo19 on Jan 28, 2013 | Reply
cont.- good to play at R.T as he is an outstanding pass protector. Brick on the other hand is not a good enough run blocker to play R.T.plus he makes too much.
IRA, yeah, that was the whole point of my "salary cap" post. I was attempting to get people to understand why you do or dont make certian decisions as the cap influences everything roster related. BYRDMAN, I wouldn't put too much stock in what happans in the Sr.Bowl. A lot of the guys who had a great showing in the game didn't do much to impress the scouts & G.M's during the week of practice leading up the the game.Conversly, guys who did impress during the week didn't look great during the game?Sometimes its all about being in the right place at the right time.
By Mike Jet Vet on Jan 28, 2013 | Reply
Blinka, although a good idea, best case scenario, in a a perfect world, you can't actually believe Mister I don't honor contacts, team, people who had faith enough in me to pay Millions Revis take a cut in pay, I don't think so. He's already started with his poor Jets fans if he gets traded drama . Cro. won't either… What I believe will Happen New GM and Rex will work on Sanchez, Keller, Harris,plus try unloading Homles
By GaryC on Jan 28, 2013 | Reply
watch it about Ansah,guys who go to Brigham Young usually are older because of the Missions they have to attend,and the guy only started playing football about two years ago,you talk about a work in progress,He might be 30 before he becomes a quality player.
By GaryC on Jan 28, 2013 | Reply
this goes back to my previous post,the jets need a guarantee when picking this year,they cannot take a flyer on Ansah,to many questions.Also his conference is not the strongest competition.
By GaryC on Jan 28, 2013 | Reply
Now I know why I like to old days of football,you never had to worry about salary caps,just draft and trade,and not as many egotist players.
By Ronbo19 on Jan 28, 2013 | Reply
S.C.Joe, I agree 100% with your draft priority list of Q.B,O.L.B & O.L and as the OLB posisition offers the better prospects in this year that to me is the way to go. As I posted earlier, the next 2 Q.B classes will each offer at least 4 candidates better than anyone in this years class. Whwn you concider Teddy Bridgewater, Johnny" Football" Manziel,Marcus Mariota (oregon),Brett Hundley(UCLA),Kevin Hogan(Stanford) will all be eligable in addition to the kids scheduled LoganThomas(Va.Tech)Aaron Murray (Ga)A.J McCarron (Bama)Tajd Boyd(Clemson)Zach Mettenberger(LSU) you can see, there will be plenty to choose fronm as we will be drafting top 10 next year for sure(especially if Sanchez is our Q.B)
By Jet Fan Since '64 Tom Who Has Let Go of All Illusions on Jan 28, 2013 | Reply
GaryC, I don't know which is worse, Nixon giving the Redskins a "secret play" for the Super Bowl (worked about as well as his "secret plan to end the war") or Obama telling us we'll have to settle for an NFL that's "a little less exciting," which could be his motto if he ran for a 3rd term like all these clowns would love to: "America: A Little Less Exciting." Politicians shouldn't mess with sports and agents and accountants shouldn't ruin sports. So since all that has been going on since "the old days of football" — Rozelle was as bad as Goodell, and in some of the same ways — I don't know if anything has changed all that much. "Not really," as George Segal says at the end of his hilarious monologue in the cemetery in BYE BYE BRAVERMAN.
By Bitter Blinka on Jan 28, 2013 | Reply
Mike Jet Vet:
Not them. I was saying that Sanchez, Harris and Holmes should
By GaryC on Jan 28, 2013 | Reply
JetFantom,as you know,we all grow more cynical as we age,maybe watching games in black and white and listening to Ray Scott and Gurt Gowdy made it better to me,and after the jets winning Super Bowl three we thought there would be more,oh,well.
By GaryC on Jan 28, 2013 | Reply
Maybe Idzik can do a Itzhak and bring a virtuoso performance to this team,the jets.
By Ronbo19 on Jan 28, 2013 | Reply
GARY C, I think you are dead right about not takeing Ansah with the 9th pick. At 23 is already 2 years older than the avg rookie plus his lack of experience is a red flag. We cant afford a gamble like last year with Coples.If you can check out "bleacher report" today as there is a lot of good Jets stuff there. I dont agree with a lot of the stuff they write but todays post is a good read for any jets fan.
By Allan O'Dane on Jan 28, 2013 | Reply
64Tom, you are spot on with Revis caring about $ then winning a championship. This guy has been paid millions. Not to say he didn't earn it, but come on now. His uncle sean gilbert I believe is a major influence. This is the age will live in now with these high priced players..no defensive player should be paid more than the top 10 QBs in the NFL. Getting an elite QB is much harder then finding a shutdown corner. This team needs OFFENSE..Landry wants to go..fine..sign Bell at a cheaper rate. We still have Cro..time to let the rookies play Bush/Allen at the SS spot. This New GM has to do the right thing for the TEAM. Which means rebuilding through the draft
By Allan O'Dane on Jan 28, 2013 | Reply
I know Revis is the greatest Jet since Joe Namath, but we are not talking about lawrence taylor here…If revis was like a Dieon Sanders where you can line up at WR/PR/KR and be a dangerous factor in those spots…well then I would look long and hard in keeping him. But he only plays CB. This team has do what it has to do. Either trade Revis for picks, re-do some contracts to sign key FA's and get a decent vet qb for 2013. Or…sign Revis…unload a bunch of players (Sanchez,Holmes) and then look for 2014 to clear cap space and sign FA's and hopefully our 2013 draft picks fill in our needs.
By GaryC on Jan 28, 2013 | Reply
Ronbo19,I looked at that bleacher report with the jet mock draft,I pray that isn't the jets template for the draft,first off what is this infatuation of tyronne mathieu,the honey badger,it must be his baggage that fits well with the jets,can't see no other reason to think about this guy,then I see this Tackle Uzzi from Georgia Tech,people got on the jets case last year taking Hill from a wishbone offense,what about this guy pass protecting in the pros,and then I see Vaccaro as the jets first pick,this guy is low first rounder,high second round.I think Belichek put this out for Bleacher Report hoping the jets take these guys.
By GaryC on Jan 28, 2013 | Reply
all the draft experts want to push these guys up the draft board every year,this year it is Ansah,last year it was Dontari Poe,before that it was Gholston,It was funny today Mortenson was on Espn and he mentioned A.J.Jenkins of Indiana even though he played at Illinois,when mentioning the depth of the niners at receiver and tightend.Some of these guys never watch a college game all year.
By GaryC on Jan 28, 2013 | Reply
Ronbo19 Logan Thomas and Taj Boyd will play their senior seasons,they will not be eligible this year for draft.
By GaryC on Jan 28, 2013 | Reply
ronbo19 my bad,read your post a little more thoroughly and see that your list is for next years draft.
By Jet Fan Since '64 Tom Who Has Let Go of All Illusions on Jan 28, 2013 | Reply
GaryC, just the mention of Scott and Gowdy brings me joy but I don't agree about getting more cynical as you get older, not if you put a high value on the effort to keep learning, working hard, and staying open-minded. I think you get more insightful and empowered as you get older, which is why I hold politicians, HCs, QBs, lead guitarists, bartenders and other key figures to such high standards. Allan, I agree with everything you say about Revis and it's not personal for me, if he insists on being paid that way he needs to go to a team that's close and can afford him, we're not and can't. And read EA's piece on QBs, with Bradway's quote about O, and my post on the story ahead of this and you'll feel much better about where we're headed.
By By Jet Fan Since 1964 Frank on Jan 28, 2013 | Reply
Chicago Bob, I fully agree with you. Warmack, Fisher & Joeckel are going to be available also going to be available are OT Fluker AL, Kyle Long OT and Dallas Thomas OT. Who knows maybe we can even squeeze in Tyler Wilson or Mike Glennon QB'S wouldn't mind seeing a good RB such as Marcus Lattimore or Giovani Bernard. Be great to grab some of these guys in the draft…
By Ronbo19 on Jan 29, 2013 | Reply
JET FAN FRANK, Hold on there my man, ya cant have everyone on you list .First of all, Joeckel will go top 3 so he's out,Fischer is shooting up the board so again, doubt he will be there @#9. If you do a little research O.G's are rarley taken in the early 1st Rd. I like Warmack a lot too but he will probably go betweem 12-20. So unless we trade down we will likely pick an OLB.keep in mind Rex is a D guy so he will push hard for Moore from Tx A&M or Jones from Ga. If they are gone Mingo from LSU or Deon Jordan from Oregon. I agree with you guys we need O.L, but good teams go by value, not need.Now if we can trade down, O.L would be great.but we would still need passrushers unless your sold on Coples?
By Ronbo19 on Jan 29, 2013 | Reply
GARY C, yeah, i didn't neccessarily like the picks they made, I just thought they did a decent job placing guys in the area they may be picked.Still the combine plus alot of workouts to go before final analysis but I thought that moc, plus a couple of other articles were worth the read. As for Vaccaro, a lot of people are high on him so he is probably gonna be a good player, As for safty's I like the kid Reid from LSU alot too.Not sure about at #9 though.The kid from GaTech Uzzi is a mauler that needs work. He projects as a O.G,not a tackle as he is only 6-3 and not a pass blocker yet. Tyrann Mathieu is projected as a 5 ot 6th rounder at this point.If he were available at 6 or 7 might be worth the gamble as he is a 2nd rd talent.
By Chicago Bob on Jan 29, 2013 | Reply
SCJOE: I agree with you wholeheartedly on OLB being the highest priority for this team – my worry is that the best ones might be gone by the time we pick and then we reach for one at #9 when a better player is available at another position. I keep hearing the kid from LSU (Wingo) going to the Jets. Not sure about any of you however whenever I saw LSU play this year, I made it a point to look for him and to say I was disappointed was the understatement of the year. Every time LSU played a high quality team, this kid was almost invisible. With holes at OLB, nose tackle, ORT, Guard and safety and with no real QB's, RB's or WR's worth picking at #9, hopefully they do the right thing and pick the best player available, regardless of position.
By GaryC on Jan 30, 2013 | Reply
Chicago Bob,also not sold on Wingo,not very strong at the point,will be overpowered at the point,if he doesn't win on the first move,it is over,I still like Werner from Florida State,strong at the point,can hold the edge,Will be an improvement over DeVito and a much better pass rusher.
By GaryC on Jan 30, 2013 | Reply
Another thought on Mingo,when they have the combine,and they do the bench press,if this guy lifts pass 10 reps I will be surprised.
By scjoe on Jan 30, 2013 | Reply
Chicago Bob, I have mixed feelings myself on Mingo (LSU) first off, he played DE most often in college, that is a red flag right there (Gholston?) On the other hand, I like the intangibles, he is 6'5″ 240+ and runs a 4.6 40. He is quick, he is aggressive and he was one of the leaders on that team. He is not very stout, but one off season program would go a long way in correcting that. Bottom line, if this kid improves his 40 time at the combine even a hair, he may not even be there when the Jets select at #9. I also agree that Jones will more then likely be off the board. If they are going to go with college DEs at OLB, how about a Dion Jordan (Oregon) or a Sam Montgomery? (LSU)
By Ronbo19 on Jan 30, 2013 | Reply
CHICAGO BOB &GARY C, agree with you guys about Wingo. I compared him to Coples in an earlier post in that they both have all the measurables you look for but neither produced when given the opportunity? I like Werner a lot and I think he compares more to #99 on the Texans. As he is 6-4 265 and athletic, he can play OLB in a 3-4 as well as some D.E when we play 4-3. Right now I have Werner as my #1 guy at pick 9, or O.T Fischer from C.Fl. if available? The problem with Fischer is we would need to unload Brick as they are both left tackles which is really the most important highest paying job on an O.line.Right tackles are usually better run blockers & dont protect the Q.B's blind side.
By By Jet Fan Since 1964 Frank on Jan 30, 2013 | Reply
Ronbo19, you are right about REX and defense. However, our needs are building an offense that can protect a QB, open some holes for a RB and in every day language BLOCK. I feel our defense is pretty good, we could use a good DT no argument from me on that. I sure would like to see DJ Fluker of Oklahoma. I also would like to see a good RB like Giovani Bernard. Hey, I can wish….
By Ronbo19 on Jan 30, 2013 | Reply
J/F 64, no question about the o-line, of course if you read some of the stuff above you would think we have Fuzzy Thurston, Jerry Kraemer 7 Forrestt Gregg on our line? Anyway, again, i dont want to reach for anybody but from what I'm reading OLB has the most talent in this draft,followed by O-line. I think we can get 1or 2 O-linemen in this draft. Fluker from Bama is a big load but he will go in the 2nd rd. We could get our pass rusher in Rd.1 & Fluker in Rd.2 if we get lucky?
By By Jet Fan Since 1964 Frank on Jan 31, 2013 | Reply
Ronbo19, I feel most of us in here are on the same page when it comes to a DT and a revitalized offensive line. I do not think it will be a question of luck, I feel it will be making the right trades to get additional draft picks. Although I am against a REVIS trade, REVIS would possibly give us an additional 1st rounder and a second rounder. Landry is a free agent the question is will the JETS make an attempt at keeping him. Greene could also be on the trade list among others and now there is a rumor that Crommotte is on the trade list. If he is traded we should be able to get a second rounder for him, who knows maybe even another 1st rounder… Upper management has got to be smart this year with draft picks, trades and free agency.
By By Jet Fan Since 1964 Frank on Jan 31, 2013 | Reply
I like the idea of bringing in another QB to up-grade the compition at QB.
By Chicago Bob on Jan 31, 2013 | Reply
I just got done reading Westhoff's comments about Sanchez and the more things you hear, it sounds as if the general feeling is that MS did not have enough talent to succeed and the team is going to give him one last chance before cutting the cord. That being said, I have a feeling that when the #9 pick rolls around, unless a trade down can be made, you are going to see an OL picked – my guess is the Jets are going to try and surround him with better offensive personnel and with no WR or RB worthy of a #9 pick, it will be an OL (either Fisher or Warmack) unless both of them and Joeckel are gone.
By Jet Fan Since '64 Tom With His Eyes on the Prize on Jan 31, 2013 | Reply
Well, Ronbo, we're going nowhere for at least next yr anyway. We don't have a QB. So who we draft this yr only matters in terms of a long-term plan.
By By Jet Fan Since 1964 Frank on Jan 31, 2013 | Reply
Chicago Bob, I hope your wrong from what I have been reading John Idzik's going to be looking at a QB to bring compitition in for MS and McElroy to compete with. I just don't see MS running the offense this coming season. Personally I feel MS has lost his confidence. There are a lot of quality Offensive Linemen in this draft such as: Eric Fisher – Lane Johnson – Luke Joeckel – Chance Warmack among others some will be available for the Jets to grab. But I guess we have to wait for the combine and see who the Front Office has there eyes on…
By Ronbo19 on Jan 31, 2013 | Reply
TOM64, While i agree with your above assessment I think its important every move we make is carefully thought out in terms of who,why or when we choose a player. Again, the cap situation demands through research into the best way to mazimize each decision.For example, drafting a Q.B this year is not in our best interest as Sanchez & Tebow alone are already on the books for about 10 million.Ditto the o-line, as we have over 23 million invested in Brick,Mangold & Ducasse. As we likely need to carry 8 O-linemen on the roster, the question becomes,can we afford to tie up another 3 million on one guy at pick#9? We need a pass rushing OLB to help Coples & Wilkerson and as Pace & Harris will come off
the books-
By Ronbo19 on Jan 31, 2013 | Reply
cont- we only have Mcintosh& Sapp on the roster at about 1 million.It would seem logical to me to spend a high pick there as it is a posisition of need and the talent is there in this draft. I'm thinking 2nrd O.L (preferably a G, and we can look for a back like Montae Ball or the kid from Stanford Stefan Taylor who is argueably the best all around back in the draft as far as running,pass-protection and catching the ball out of the backfield.We might even luck into Marcus Lattimore at that pick?
By Chicago Bob on Feb 1, 2013 | Reply
Jet Fan Since 64 Frank: I would hope the Jets would want to bring in someone to compete with MS – problem is how cheap they can get someone of any quality thanks to our former GM Albert Einstein who has unfortunately limited our options in free agency. We have so many holes to fill and unfortunately not enough cap money to do much. Hopefully we can hit a home run in this draft and then by this time next year we will have much more flexibility.
By By Jet Fan Since 1964 Frank on Feb 1, 2013 | Reply
Chicago Bob the way I see it most QB's will be available in the 2nd and 3rd rounds, I feel this is going to be a draft by a lot of teams for Offensive and defensive players especially in the 1st round there are so many good O and D players in this years draft. The Jets can squeeze by with a good 1st rounder in the 9th position such as Eric Fisher or Lane Johnson. NO WAY they will be around for the 2nd round. These are the type players we need… YOU KNOW WHAT'S funny,us fans can see what we needbut the front office can't…LOL….
By Jet Fan Since '64 Tom With His Eyes on the Prize on Feb 1, 2013 | Reply
Ronbo, everything you say makes sense but it sounds a little like what you hear from the guy who sums up all the good qualities about the woman that he's still just not attracted to enough to ask out. In other words, you can say all you want about the cap, picks, etc., but one fact stands out among all others: This team can't score points.
By Ronbo19 on Feb 2, 2013 | Reply
TOM64, your are right about a lack of scoreing but you are also right we will stink anyway next year so why not build the team so that in 2014 & 2015 we are not trying to piece together a decent roster. In spite of every logical point i made above you still have guys like JET FAN FRANK who wants to draft a left tackle(Fischer)inspite of the fact we already have a left tackle? I only try to explain the economics of drafting players because that is how teams draft.What frank suggests makes about as much sence as the Colts drafting A Q.B in the 1st rd again this year. I guarantee you that will not happan.A question to ponder; how much better would Coples & Wilkerson be with a great pass rusher at OLB to help them out?
By By Jet Fan Since 1964 Frank on Feb 2, 2013 | Reply
64 Tom, that's the area we have to improve on "SCORING POINTS" and to do that the "JETS FRONT OFFICE" has got to bring in offensive players that can block so the QB can pass and open holes for a running game. Our biggest weakness is the offensive line, I am sure we are all on the same page on that one. We are several months away from the Draft as well as Free Agency. I personall would like to see more draft picks then going after free agents, .
By By Jet Fan Since 1964 Frank on Feb 2, 2013 | Reply
Ronbo19, I never said I want to draft a LT. What I said is we need an offensive line that can block and make holes for RB. . I only threw names out their of Offensive Players who will be available with a good offensive line we may accomplish what we couldn't accomplish in 2012 and that is score points. I will not dispute a great OLB would most certainly help Couples and Wilkerson.
By Jet Fan Since '64 Tom Awed by the Brilliance of Jet Fans on Feb 3, 2013 | Reply
Ronbo and Frank, I agree with both of you on all of your pts. And I'll still be looking more at one thing next yr than anything else — how many pts we're scoring every week.
By Ronbo19 on Feb 3, 2013 | Reply
JET FAN FRANK, Sorry if I ruffled your feathers concerning the draft. Please understand my whole point here is not to upset anybody but to try to get my fellow posters here to understand the whole picture so when the picks are made they will have a better picture as to whether or not it was a good or bad pick.Assembling a NFL roster is a daunting task especially when you are currently in salary cap hell.So when we make suggestions concerning who we should or should not pick I just think we need to put some thought into how that player fits in with the players coming back, and how their skills fit into what we are trying to accomplish? But you and I are cool!
By By Jet Fan Since 1964 Frank on Feb 3, 2013 | Reply
64 TOM… You can not win football games if you can not score TD's, which is what our could not do. If all the Jets do is score on field goals it is a losing cause. Field goals do not win games without TD's. I believe we scored one TD in the last 5 games the rest were FG's. Correct me if I am wrong. McElroy scored that TD. So I( agree with you TOM as well as I agree with RONBO19… That is why I feel our needs right now is to build an offense that can block for the QB and open holes for the RB and I am not just talking about the Offensive Line, we need a good inside RB who will also block well as well as some big frast TE's that can aslo block… YES…A good OLB would compliment Couples and Wilkerson and if Jarvis Jones is available
By By Jet Fan Since 1964 Frank on Feb 3, 2013 | Reply
we should grab him. I would prefer either Joeckel or Werner in that spot if one or the other is available even Eric Fisher would be my choice if available. What I do believe is the first round is going to be and Offensive Player round so many good choices I even like Te'o of ND, he can even bring his invisble girl friend (lol) in the second round. 2 RB's I like are Eddie Lacey and Giovani Bernard… Every thing depends on who we trade for draft spots and how smart the front office is… "HAPPY SUPER BOWL DAY" to both of you. I will be watching "BEYONCE" she is my choice to win. Damn, I am a dirty ole man (lol)….
By By Jet Fan Since 1964 Frank on Feb 3, 2013 | Reply
Ronbo19, no problem, you really did not ruffle my feathers, we both were just trying to explain ourselves and believe me, I agree with what you have said as well as 64 Tom…
By Chicago Bob on Feb 4, 2013 | Reply
Jet Fan Frank: We are on the same page regarding the taking of an OL. Whether it be Fisher or Warmack as Joeckel will most likely be gone. Some say three 1st round picks on the OL will create havoc on your salary cap – that is true if Mike T was the GM. SF has 3 first round picks on the OL and they seem to be doing OK. Some say you cannot draft another LT – the Ravens took McKinnie, put him at LT and moved Oher to RT and did fine. I still back the pick of Warmack – this kid is supposedly a flat out stud with a mean streak – something we need. Remember what the addition of Hutchinson did to the Vikes and Seahawks. Some of us older guys will remember what John Hannah meant to the Pats OL – putting him between Mangold and Brick would be great.
By Ronbo19 on Feb 4, 2013 | Reply
Chicago Bob I'm thinking the "some people' you are referring to in regard to drafting an O-linement with the #9 pick would be me. please dont get me wrong, i would love to have a dominent O-line and clearly see the benefit to it. My problem with your proposal is in our current situation do you really think we need 2 L.Tackles?If your thinking of moving one to R.T you need to realize the two posisitions are not neccessarily interchangeable.As left tackles usually protect the Q.B's blind side they are generally in the 300lb range,long arms and need to be quick enough to deal with speed rushers off the edge. R.T's are usually bigger, 320 to 350 range as they are usually lined up on the strong side next to the T.E.
The strong side is where-
By Ronbo19 on Feb 4, 2013 | Reply
cont- most teams do the majority of there running. Look, I dont want to beat a dead horse here about this as I'm sure the Jets f/o could care less what either of us thinks ? I've read enough of your posts to respect your opinion so as I say to S.C. Joe, lets just agree to disagree and see what happans? Again, my preference for a passrushing OLB is it would not only help Coples & Wilk, it would help the offence as a dominent passrush can overcome a lot of mistakes by a young Q.B. (hopefully not Sanchez as he makes too many mistakes for even the old Dallas "Doomsday defence" or the old Pittsburgh "Steel Curtian"
By By Jet Fan Since 1964 Frank on Feb 4, 2013 | Reply
Chicago Bob, your right Joeckel will more then likely be gone, but if not, the JETS need to grab him. The JETS more then likely have a better shot at grabbing Fisher. There is talk of trading Revis. If that's true and it does happen the JETS should have another 1st round draft pick as well as a second round draft pick. Honestly, I am against trading Revis. He is already working out and strengthening his leg. I feel with his dedication he will be stronger and faster and I sure wouldn't have to face him if he was on a different team, But, that is a front office move. I just hope they are smart enough to do the right thing.
By Ronbo19 on Feb 4, 2013 | Reply
JETFAN FRANK & CHICAGO BOB, I think your both right about Joeckle as he will go top 3. Fischer is shooting up draft boards as well so I'm beginning to think he wont get past #5 ot 6? Now, an interesting thought, If Idzik could find a contender who needed a left tackle I could see trading Brick for a #1 and then takeing a left tackle. Fischer 7 Joeckle are both too good to waste at R.T as their talent as pass blockers is excellent. R tacles are a lot easier to find as Howard demonstrated for us last year. I realize he is not a top guy at that posisition but he was a majot upgrade over wayne Hunter for us last year.
By Chicago Bob on Feb 4, 2013 | Reply
Ronbo, from what I can see, this draft will have plenty of good people in two areas we desperately need help on: OLB and OL – believe me, there is nothing that gives me more pleasure than watching Brady get hit – unfortunately we have not done a very good job of that over the years. I could live with drafting a DL if he had pass rushing qualities. We really need Davis to be ready to take Scott's place otherwise we will really be in trouble in the LB position. My main concern is the lack of depth in our OL. We will probably lose Moore and Slauson and have basically nothing behind them. I would love to see them get a solid OL that can play center when needed. Mangold needs a break now and then otherwise his career is going to be cut short.
By By Jet Fan Since 1964 Frank on Feb 4, 2013 | Reply
One thing that also makes Fisher and Joekel be in high demand is their records in stopping the "RUN", also in there catagory is Lane Johnson, Jonathan Cooper, DJ Fluker, and Odai Abousi. This draft has some fantastic Offensive and Defensive players in it. There is a TE from Stanford Zack Ertz who is 6'6″ and weighs in at 252 he has great hands and is got power. Ronbo19, there are a lot of good players in this draft. We just need a 3 or 4 of them. Free agency is going to be interesting. If the Jets front office holds true to there previous picks they will probably go after aging players. OH WELL! that's something we will have to wait and see…
By Ronbo19 on Feb 5, 2013 | Reply
CHICAGO BOB, right you are about the 2 posisitions of strength for this draft. Actually, a posisition being ridiculed(Q.B) may also be a strength. While there are no Andrew Luck's in this class there are at least 9 Q.B's who will make NFL rosters which is actually 2 more than last years draft. I doubt theres instant star here but at least a few will get a chance to play at some point this season. As for our O-line I see either Slauson or Moore back, then draft a kid like Larry Warford from kentucky in rd.2& let him & Ducasse fight it out.The loser becomes the back-up. There are quite a few O.T's available in F/A's & we will need one to battle Howard or become the back-up there. I keep hearing current b/u center Slauderhauff is o.k ?
By Ronbo19 on Feb 5, 2013 | Reply
CHICAGO BOB, the reason I keep hopeing for a pass rushing OLB is it could add a lot to what Coples & Wilkerson already bring to the table. Both of them have decent passrush ability but they are easily double teamed as lately we have had little to no rush from our OLB's (Pace & Thomas) The way I see it both of them will be gone so unless you think McIntyre is starting material(I dont!)we actually need 2 starters at OLB. I also agree 100% with you thoughts on Damario Davis. He definately needs to be ready to go! i cant see them bringing Scott back so Davis in now the man next to Harris.Like S.C.Joe I think this will take at least 2 drafts to fix this roster but this years draft is crucial as its Idzik's first & needs to make a statement.
By Ronbo19 on Feb 5, 2013 | Reply
JETFAN FRANK, I love Zack Ertz too. He is big, fast,tough & always seems to come down with the ball in traffic. The only way we get him is if he somehow falls to our #8 pick in Rd.2. I cant remember the last time a T.E was picked in the early part of Rd.1 and I doubt that will happan this year.Honestly, I would be a lot morE o.k with that than when we picked Coples last year. I like all the o-linemen you mentioned above too,but like I said, we wont have a shot at Joeckel or Fischer at #9 unless some teams go crazy and reach for Q.B's like Wilson,Glennon or mabey the Bills reach for Ryan Nassib because of their new coaches Syracuse connection?
By By Jet Fan Since 1964 Frank on Feb 5, 2013 | Reply
Ronbo19… Zack Ertz if he is available the front office shoiuld look hard at him if you can get a TE like him, the best thing to do is grab him whether it is the first or second round, we can not go through another season not scoring points. That is why my feelings are that we need a strong Offensive Line that can block, open holes and give who ever is the QB time to pass I know you are high on an OLB and we can use a damn good one to help out Coples & Wilkerson. Either way you and I are on the same page when it comes to improving the JETS…
By Ronbo19 on Feb 6, 2013 | Reply
Jet-fan/Frank, I dont know if you caught a few of my earlier post but both GARY C & I have been all over Ertz. I think he is a Gronkowski like differece maker and I would be thrilled if we pick him. Now, as you have no doubt come to realize I am always consceous of the value of each specific pick as that is how the successful teams draft. As Ertz is seen as falling somewhere between #20 to 25 in most moc's I would like to at least explore the possibility of trading down mabey 10 or 11 spots & picking up an extra pick? I'm hopeing Keller price's himself out of our market so we dont bring him back. As He's only 6-1 1/2 he's really more suited to be an H-back than an in-line T.E as he's also not much of a blocker.
By By Jet Fan Since 1964 Frank on Feb 6, 2013 | Reply
Ronbo19 I do read your posts as well as Chicago Bob and 64 Tom among others and we all basicaly agree with each other… I am going to throw several other players out there and go out on a limb and say these guys are the sleepers of the draft… Larry Warford – OG – KY 6'3″ 333; Brandon Jenkins – DT – Flortida State 6'3″ 260; Menelik Watson – OT – Florida State 6'5″ 320; Travis Kelce -TE – Cinci 6'5″ 250, and Andre Ellington RB – Clemson 5'10" 197. I have watched some of the films of this kid Ellington and man is he quick, this kid can go inside or outside, hwe has great hands. You know we can type in here all we want and give choices, but do you really think the JETS front office cares about we say, chances are they already have
By By Jet Fan Since 1964 Frank on Feb 6, 2013 | Reply
their minds made up. OH!!! I do agree with you on trading Keller and bringing 2 good TE's in such as Ertz and Kelce in…
By Chicago Bob on Feb 6, 2013 | Reply
I know this won't be met with much fanfare however I hope the Jets do NOT draft a QB in at least rounds 1-3. With so many holes to fill, I would rather them take a 4 or 3 star player over a 3 or 2 star QB. It's safe to say when it is our turn to pick, the highest rated QB at that moment will not rated as high as the other players available. Every expert you hear from says this is a good year for QB's but not a great one. Face it, the Rex era may be over and that means a new staff and system next year to learn. Be realistic, with the chance of up to 10 new starters this season, we are most likely looking at another top 10 pick. Why reach this year for a QB when better players are available – be smart and look at your options in 2014.
By Ronbo19 on Feb 7, 2013 | Reply
CHICAGO BOB, as much as I agree with your comments on not reaching for a Q.B my bigges fear is they will(possibly even at #9) There is simply too much public outcry to replace Sanchez so Idzik will most likely feel compelled to act. If Gino Smith were to be available I think it will be hard for the jets to pass on him. Am I in love with him, NO! Is he an immediate upgrade from Sanchez? YES!
JET FAN FRANK, you got the perfect pen pal if you want to talk NFL Draft. As zi have stated I have no life so I spend a lot of time on this subject. I'm not sure you can call any of the guys you mentioned 'sleepers' but we casn agree they are at least less hearalded. Heres my take on the guys you listed; Travis Kelce T.E is currently the 3rd or 4th-
By Ronbo19 on Feb 7, 2013 | Reply
cont- rate T.E in this class. at 6-5 260 with good speed and hands he has the tools to make it in the NFL. His blocking needs refinement but he will have a nice Heath Miller like career.Likely a 3rd rd. pick.2- Larry warford G Kentucky, i've mentioned him before. Tough physical very strong. not a great athlete, sort of an Allan fanaca type. late 2nd early 3rd rd pick. Brandon Jenkens D.T Fl.St I'm not familular with?there are 2 other Fl.St. D.T's I know of Everrett Dawkins 6-2 290 or Anthony McCloud but niether of them is highly rated? 4- M.Watson, I actually know a lot about this guys as my wife tutored him when he briefly played basketball at a Marist College in Poughkeepsie n.y near where we live. The kid is a physical frea at 6-8 340-
By Ronbo19 on Feb 7, 2013 | Reply
cont- but he has only 1 yr as a starter in Div.1 after a year of Jr. college football.He's about 24 or 25 years old as he's bounced around after coming to the U.S from G.Brittain. As for Ellington he's not big as you listed, but I like him to. Right now he's a late 2nd rd early 3rd guy. I actually like the kid from stanford Stephan Taylor alot more as we could get him a little later in rd.4. He's not as explosive as Ellington but he's a better all around back as he catches it out of the back field and is a far superior pass blocker.If you want to talk sleepers I like Justice Cunningham a T.E from S.Carolina.At 6-4 260 the kid can run and caught everything thrown his way. His problem was they simply had too much talent so he rarley got an op
By By Jet Fan Since 1964 Frank on Feb 8, 2013 | Reply
Ronbo19, I like the way you think. Still I am hoping that Zack Ertz will be a JET this year. You and Chicago Bob are correct in the possibility of QB being oicked in the #9 spot and if Gino Smith is available, which I believe he will be, then it may not be a bad choice. However, I would still like to see either Eric Fisher – OT – or Star Lotulelei – DT or once again Zac Ertz – TE picked in the #9 spot and I believe one of them will be available. I feel most QB's will be available in the 2nd and 3rd rounds. The 1st round this year is going to be Offense and some Defense. To many good players out their to pass up on offense and defense. We need some good play makers.
By Chicago Bob on Feb 8, 2013 | Reply
I am hoping that Idzik is as smart as people claim he is. Even if no QB's have been taken, I would still pass on each of them. We are in trouble depth-wise because in the past we have gone the route of taking for need and not best player available. Hopefully Idzik adopts the theory of all the teams that are consistently good and taking the best athlete. If other teams that need a QB are all passing on these guys, it tells you one thing – they are not viewed as being worth a pick that high. I would rather take my chances picking someone who is considered superior skill-wise at another position and roll the dice later on in the draft or even waiting until next year for a QB – it is not like we are a QB away from competing, we need a lot more
By Chicago Bob on Feb 8, 2013 | Reply
and it isn't going to happen overnight. Face it, we are not on the same page as the Patriots right now, we need to face those facts and focus on the post Tom Brady era which is not that far away. Anyone that saw him against the Ravens can see that age is starting to set in. He may be the slowest QB in the league and next year he is going to be another year older. Like some of you, I have been around since pre-Super Bowl III and can wait a little while longer.
By Ronbo19 on Feb 9, 2013 | Reply
JET FAN Frank, Thanks, as I've stated, I'm a big Ertz fan. The kid is going to be a great pro T.E. And I wont be crushed if we pick Gino Smith at #9 either. As I have stated, my preference would be to draft a L.B like D.Moore, Jarvis Jones, or even Alec Ogletree as we currently have no,zero, nada,zilch starting caliber out side line backers on our roster. Some here on Randy's Radar have advocated starting Guy Macintyre and that would be a mistake. He's a nice complememtary player but he is simply too slow and not athletic enough to play full time. He was clearly exposed when he had to play a lot when B.Thomas got hurt. Macintyre had little to no pressure on the Q.B and he was consistently blocked off the line of scrimmage.
By By Jet Fan Since 1964 Frank on Feb 10, 2013 | Reply
Ronbo19 I go along with you on your feelings on Guy Macintyre. I believe if Jarvis Jones is available at the #9 spot the JETS will grab him without hesitation. If he is not available Ertz should be picked in this spot. Two other players I like are Gavin Escobar – TE San Diego State and Devin Taylor – SC, DE, 6'7″ 275 pounds. He is quick and strong…
By Ronbo19 on Feb 11, 2013 | Reply
Jet Fan Frank, The other day I read a post from IRA who stated "there are no sure thing OLB's in this draft? As much as I respect his opinion, I think history will show that is not the case.Everone seems to agree Demontre from Tx A&M is the real deal. Many list him as a D.E as he played there last year.However, he played his firs 2 years as a stand up OLB and was great.I dont know if he will be as good as Von Miller but the comparisons are out there. Some people have mentioned J.Jones has a chronic medical condition which may allow him to fall to #9? I'm sure the medical people will do their homework & if they clear him I would grab him.The intrigueing guy is A.Ogletree,also from Ga. The guy is 6-3 238 and is fast & aggressive.- cont.-
By Ronbo19 on Feb 11, 2013 | Reply
cont.- Now if we could trade down say 10 spots I would grab Ertz there. As good as we think he is teams just dont draft T.E's in the top 10.Most of todays top T.E's like Gronk, Antonio Gates or J.Graham from N.O werent even 1st Rd. picks? A few guys here on Randy's Radar are already speculateing the Revis trade(if it happans?) will net us a late 1st rd pick. That actually makes sence as only a contending team (like Denver or S.F) is likely to offer a #1 in view of his injury. Like you I am a big fan of Devin Taylor who was originally thought of as a mid Rd. pick. His stoch is riseing and I'm thinking he will be picked mid 3 to early 4th Rd at this point.Not sure we will take a D.E. as we have Mo & Coples but I like Taylor a lot.
By Ronbo19 on Feb 11, 2013 | Reply
S.C.Joe, A thought on your post above above re:Mingo. While I dont think he would be a bust of Gholston proportions, I do agree he would not be my pick at #9. Gholston was not suited to play OLB as he was too thick in the hip area which inhibits lateral quickness & agility.Like Aaron Maybin Mingo at this point is a one trick poney. He has an excellent 1st step which enables him to get around slower less athletic tackles. As he is young he may develope other moves but there are other guys at that posisition I would rather have like D.Moore,J.Jones,B.Warner,Deon Jordan 6-7 255 Oregon(whose great covering the T.E)& Alec Ogletree who played ILB at Ga. but has the athletic ability to play outside as well.
By By Jet Fan Since 1964 Frank on Feb 12, 2013 | Reply
From what I have been reading, a lot of the JET FANS would like to see a OLB in the #9 spot, I can understand that feeling, especially if you can get someone like Jarvis Jones. But my feelings are I would pick Eric Fisher or DJ Fluker as the #9 pick, we need OFFENSIVE PLAYERS. I feel this is going to be an Offensive Player draft in the first round with some DEFENSIVE in the mix. There is no question RONBO19 and SCJOE you both have mentioned some fantasitc play makers along with others in here. BUT what hurt us the most last year was not being able to score points due to lack of blocking. Another thing we are all sleeping on is McElroy in the QB swing of things. Would I like to see Gino Smith or Matt Barkley become a JET, you bet I
By By Jet Fan Since 1964 Frank on Feb 12, 2013 | Reply
I would along with Zac Ertz and Tyler Eifert. If you look at the contenders they all have a TE attack and these 2 players are play makers. BUT ALAS!!! I can dream…
By Ronbo19 on Feb 12, 2013 | Reply
JET FAN Frank, Lets keep it real my man, we cant have every player so we need to priortize. You mention Fischer & Fluker and if you go back to my earlier post when I spoke about the difference between a R-tackle vs. L-tackle. Fischer is your classic L-tackle as he is quicker more athletic. Fluker will probably go late 1 or early 2 as he is your classic R-tackle, bigger & stronger for run blocking but probably not quick or athletic enough to play on the Q.B's blind side. keep in mind, if you draft Fischer, what do you do with Brick? He makes too much money and is not physically suited to move to the R-tackle spot. You would need to trade him first.
By By Jet Fan Since 1964 Frank on Feb 12, 2013 | Reply
You make a good point Ronbo19, but I am a firm believer that any player can be trained to play another position, especially when it comes to offensive players. There is no reason Fischer could not be trained to play RT and protect the QB, I have not forgotten about Brick our defense is pretty good and adding a OLB would be great. However, what hurt us the most was our offense not being able to score points. We can say MS was the cause, BUT in reality our offense could not block, could not run and could get into the end zone. So as far as I am concerned our offense has got to br rebuilt, we need points to win. This is as real as it gets….
By Ronbo19 on Feb 13, 2013 | Reply
JET FAN FRANK, sorry bro but your missing my point.Like you I have no doubt Fischer could play R.T. My point was you dont take a Kentucky Derby winner and use him as a plow horse! Fischer is simply too good,too talented to stick at R.T. I dont even think our prevous G.M would be foolish enough to do that. Fischer will be a very good L.T for many years and make a lot of money. L.T's make double what R.T's make as they are harder to find. As most Q.B's are right handed there blind side is to their left.That is the area opposing teams put their best pass rushers.Which of course is why the offence replys but putting their best pass blocker.Got it?
By Ronbo19 on Feb 13, 2013 | Reply
JET FAN FRANK, Another point about our offence not scoreing points. It was not that the O-line was that bad.Sure there were bad performances over the course of the season but the line was basically much better than last year.A.Howard was a major improvement over last years disaster.Really last season came down to M.Sanchez loosing what ever confidence he had as his recievers were dropping balls,running the wrong routes and of course he turned the ball over at a rate of nearly 2 per game.Here's the thing, lets get a W.R, a O.G,a T.E & a R.B in here along with a decent "hold the fort" Q.B. and you will see a much improved offence next year.We dont need 5 all-pro O.linemen.It would be nice,but we need to fix other posisitions too.
By By Jet Fan Since 1964 Frank on Feb 14, 2013 | Reply
Ronbo19, I agree with you about MS, I believe I even stated in an earlier post that MS lost his confidence. I also agree on with you on Jones. What I am waiting to see are what trades the JETS are going to make and what they do with those trades. Next week the combine starts and a lot of very talented players will be doing there thing to prove them selves. There are also going to be some good free agents out there, the question is, do the JETS want to get into bidding for high priced players. Lets look at two teams that basically did very little with free agents, Indie and Houston, they built with the draft and kept there costs down, RG and Luck were the exceptions, Indie built with drafts and walkins. I feel that IF the JETS do
By By Jet Fan Since 1964 Frank on Feb 14, 2013 | Reply
someone like Revis, they should get another 1st rounder and a couple of second rounders. The salary cap is a killer, so the front office has to be smart in who they choose and how much money they have to play with. One thing is for sure we are all speculating and we all would like to see certain players in green and white. But I do feel these two players will be available for the 9th pick Jarvis Jones and Eirc Fisher… Guess we have to wait and see…