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Nokia's Elopocalypse two years on: Has Microsoft kept its side of the bargain?
It's two years since the "Elopocalypse". This week in 2011 Nokia's new CEO Stephen Elop set Europe's biggest technology company off in a radical new direction. Nokia would license its flagship phone software from Microsoft, rather than develop its own, set fire to three of its own mobile platforms, and eventually shed thousands …
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"Incidentally, post a valid criticism of the Zune beyond market share, if you can."
The Zune HD has a 480 x 272 screen. Hardly HD, it would be considered kind of crap on a phone and for a dedicated media player?
But in reality you don't really need any criticism beyond market share. Even after years of Microsoft trying to sell them, I have only ever seen one in the wild. No one wants one.
And then name Zune sounds really stupid too.
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Plato said that we can know truth if we 'sublimate our minds to their original purity' I think Eadon's evangelism has taken him somewhat passed that point.
Guessing you're not a Blackadder fan either.....
Cheer up, just because you're paranoid doesn't mean Microsoft isn't after you ;)
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Eadon, where does your analysis end and your opinion start I wonder?
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Actually the only thing that hold linux on the desktop back is the lack of a copy of M$ office(of whatever flavour it is this year)
Put out a Linux distro with M$ office included and you'll get run over in the stampede
But then you'll never see that.. because that would be like M$ shooting itself in the head
Although to be fair.... 90% of all office workers use about 5% of the capability of M$ office and thats on a good day.
But back to the phones....
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> WP phone sales are still climbing steeply
Mac Sales have been growing quarter on quarter for over 5 years, out growing the wider PC market each quarter too - but the platform is still a comparative minnow. Dislodging established embedded platforms is nigh on impossible.
For MS to succeed (and I think success in this case would be to simply survive in the mobile market) will take huge balls and nerves of steel.
As an complete outside observer, following current trends,assuming no game changers etc. in 5 Years, I'd See market shares as:
Android - 60%
Other (inc. WP) - 5%
and Profits:
Android 35%
Other (inc. WP) - trivial
I can see Apple, Samsung or BB producing game changing moments, but sadly not MS.
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So did I.
Nokia right on target for immersion into Microsoft
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Actually Linux has a lot more problems than just a good Office(2):
+ Unstable API and ABI making good quality support for many devices a problem
+ <n+1> not fully compatible distributions with a near guarantee that if you need two commercial software packages (say Oracle and an App-Server) they will be based on different and incompatible distributions(1)
+ <n+1> diffenrent UIs making user support a problem and apps written for one may look funny on another
+ Short support times. Long Term Stable means "Maximum 5 years from the day it comes out". Compare that to MS "At least 3 years after the follow up is out" (Actually it is close to 8 years for Vista and Win7)
The main reason that Linux is found on many low end servers is price. If you get a few interns/studends building the images it is really cheap. It is not really good but good costs nothing while SOLARIS/x86 costs 1600€/year. And certified admins want a tad more than interns as well. Nevertheless most companies that need long term (10+ years) reliable/stable servers still go with one of the commercial grade platforms (SOLARIS, AIX, HPUX) and if you ask for "commercial grade hosting" you get one of those not Linux.
(1) And no, there is no Open Source DB that can replace a fully used ORACLE DB. And few commercials that can
(2) OO IS useable if you have not integraded MS-Office in your workflow(s) like many companies and cities have. IF you have then "Linux on the Workplace" involves using a lot of Citrix (see Munich)
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Blackberry are now a niche player at best - if they survive. Swap Blackberry and Windows Phone and you might be right with Windows Phone on 15%. The global Windows Phone role out to new and massive markets like Africa, india and China has only just started, so clearly the market share is going to keep growing at least in the medium term.
But likely with Microsoft resources and that they already have a product that in many ways is better than the competition and has a larger eco-system I think it might well be more than that....
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They are mostly poor copies of commercial Windows applications.
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"Microsoft's overall market share of the smartphone business went up to three percent for the fourth quarter of 2012, compared to just 1.8 percent a year ago."
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Cute conspiracy theory but nothing more.
I am into software since the 1980s, likely programmed UNIX software when most Penguinistas still where in danger of ending as a wet spot in daddies pants. And doing so for some branches that care little for the OS (Automation/Process Control and Banking - and we are talking BIG companies here, 5.000+ computer workplaces). These companies use everything from IBM mainframes to Solaris (Sparc and x86) to classic PCs. And they have all choosen the NT-line of windows.
Siemens (who did build their own boxes AND has a UNIX system of it's own) did so for the systems used to program their S5/S7 programable logic controllers. They also used it when they replaces the Sicom-Series and their smart terminals with COTS hardware in the mid-late 1990s choosing NT for both. An FSC at that time was a SUN partner doing SPARC based hardware.
Banks run a mix with AS/400, IBM System z and - Windows. They ditched OS/2 on the clients well before IBM put it down. And those companies did NOT buy their pc units with an OS preinstalled. Since we wrote software for them we got involved each time they changed hardware and os version to check if we still run with the standard image. The computers came by the euro-pallet and without software. Using Windows was a deliberat choice by IT departments that use Solaris based app-servers or AS/400 minis just as well
They choose Windows because
+ Mac hardware is to costly
+ OS/X lacks some of the server-side capabilities
+ Windows simply works on the hardware. One less hassle, one less problem
+ Software distribution under Windows is simple in a Windows-environment.
+ Windows allows easy control of PCs (and notebooks) through server based policies
+ The same Windows version is available 5 years from now
Linux is only free if your time is worth nothing. And the quality has never been "superior". It was equal back in the days of NT4. But those days are long gone.
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And while you're at it, why does Microsoft-owned Skype work well on every mobile platform except Microsoft-owned Windows Phone?
Works just fine. Made a video call from a 920 to a 4S just last week
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'3) ... Show a finance director the documentation for desktop linux ...'
Who has ever read documentation for a desktop?
A finance director?
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Skype works fine on WP for me too...
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@dogged. Can't really agree about the documentation. I find Linux fanbois can do a good job.
On the other side of the coin, I tried to watch a video from Microsoft's Academy (usually excellent) about WinServer 2012. It was supposed to be 'introductory'. Almost immediately, the presenter starts wobbling on about 'Cloud Conputing' , which we don't need in our NPO organisation. I wanted to know about IIS, MS-SQL. I almost dozed off. No. Bugger that for a game of soldiers, I'm sticking Debian Squeeze, and a LAMPP stack on it. Lots of documentation, don't have to pay for the info.
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Anonymous coward theorized: "Actually the latest Gartner figures show that WP phone sales are still climbing steeply and that they just went over 3% of market share....Whilst it hass taken a long time, they are on course to gain a substantial chunk of the market..."
Your "on course" assertion is a unwarranted and highly optimistic extrapolation from a very small data set. Looking through the other end of the telescope, 3% has to be seen as a puny achievement. It shows that WinPhone has entirely failed to set the market on fire. And at this point in history, nothing less will suffice.
Getting from, say, 1% to 3% required nothing more than sweeping up a few adventurous geeks and die-hard fanbois. Making a serious dent in Apple or Google's 30-40% shares is quite a different matter. It would mean wooing strongly-committed customers away from platforms they already know they like.
The various comparisons to Zune in this thread are apt. The fact that Zune wasn't a terrible product is exactly the point. As with WinPhone, Microsoft was very late to the party, and offered very little new benefit to shift customers who'd already had time to establish strong allegiances. And on top of all that, Microsoft did a terrible job building the ecosystem, demonstrated monumental ineptitude in its marketing, and generally confused and alienated everyone.
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> Actually the latest Gartner figures show that WP phone sales are still climbing steeply
Rounding errors do tend to climb steeper than real sales figures.
> and that they just went over 3% of market share... Whilst it hass taken a long time, they are on course to gain a substantial chunk of the market...
So, based on the fact that they've taken forever to make no impact on the market, they are on course to gain a substantial chunk of it?
Twit. Remind me never to lend you any money.
The PAYG Nokias are quite cheap indeed (at least if you use 3's prices as a guide) compared to comparable phones from Samsung or Apple. It seems a good way of checking if people buy the brand or the price.
It should be interesting to see where this goes and I am a big fan of there being more competition in the mobile phone space.
Metro light touch makeover?
Nokia could be on the right track when even El Reg is going for a light touch Metroish-style makeover.
Square corners, big typefaces, grid layout. Looks much more, modern...
'Nokia has started to deliver very attractive products again'
The market would appear to strongly disagree.
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The jury is still out on that, and we'll only know in a year or two's time.
But what if MS see retail buyers as secondary to business users? IN MS shoes, yes I'd want to have something shiney to put in the shops to sell retail, but the real long term value is not through shop sales to individuals, but through getting business users on board. Eat the lunch that RIM used to enjoy, take back business users from Android, sell related services, reduce the corporate traction of other platforms.
Most corporate IT buyers don't care about apps. They want a decent mobility solution based on phone, email, text, maybe IM. A few built in fripperies like mobile internet and navigation are welcome, but third party apps count for nothing. They want t it to be secure, play nicely with the existing IT infrastructure.
A mid to low end smartphone with MS software really ought to do that, and if few retail users buy it, does that matter? I wouldn't buy a WP8 phone, but of far more importance to MS is whether my employers would buy 10,000 of them.
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Does it?
How many Androids were sold in the first two years of the OS's life?
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The market would appear to strongly disagree.
Hardly had time to do that yet, or do you mean it wasnt an overnight sell out means the market has utterly rejected it for all time?
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"Most corporate IT buyers don't care about apps."
What testicles, a lot of corporate services are moving app based. Have you been living under a stone the last 2 years ?
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@ dogged - "How many Androids were sold in the first two years of the OS's life?"
The original G1 sold pretty well, IIRC, though not barnstormingly so. However this is not the first year of Windows Phone is it?
"Coming soon, new awseome phone OS! Look, all these bloggers say its the best thing ever for users and developers even though there's no way anyone has got one yet and we just announced it yesterday! And it's got so many apps! Look! Shiny! No of course the last one didn't sell very well, it was crap. But this new one is revolutionary"
Which then turns to - "Well yes, of course all these features you like from iOS and Android are missing, it's a new OS, give it time, Windows Phone has only been out a few months hasn't it? And of course the sales are slow, duh, new platform!"
Are we going to have to watch the same pattern with Win Phone 9?
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Erm, but the Lumia's WERE a sell out initially.
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> The jury is still out on that, and we'll only know in a year or two's time.
No it isn't. We've already had a year or two. We already know.
Still using my faithful old N900
And still very happy with it.
The platform is just about staying alive DESPITE being dumped by nokia two years ago.. Applications like Yappari (a Whatsapp client) are still making releases.
It strikes me that if Nokia had stuck with their Maemo platform instead of sacrificing it to the gods of Redmond, it could have been a game-changer for the whole industry.
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I *really* like my Lumia 920, but still have and use my old N900. Resistive touch feels pretty dated now, but the OS is built like the Lumia 920's hardware - it's a tank. I love that N900. My all-time favourite Nokia was the E90 though. Still have it, but don't use it.
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I had the N770 and N800. Nice units but software development was a PITA. Never understood why Nokia did not enable the JAVA features in the CPU and / or produced a Java(ME) VM. Would have been a boost for the little units and back than ME was still a contender.
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I use my N9 every day
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> N800. ... software development was a PITA.
Then you were doing it wrong. I wrote using Python, SQLite3 and Glade (UI design software) and the applications ran unchanged on Linux, N800 and Windows.
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No - just not with a snake, I am mainly a JAVA developer these days. Could offer C/C++, 68k assembler and Fortran77 (as well as VB, VB.NET, DICOL, Step5, C# and some SQL dialects). Java was totally out and C would required a rather complex sandbox setup IIRC.
I think it was worth a shot
I think the 'get into bed with MS' strategy was the best alternative at the time. Remember, their products were not great and their technical bureaucracy was incapable of producing but internal fights were easier. The alternatives were to go android and fight toe to row with HTC et al ( not an inviting prospect) or try and carry on with the internally developed new tech which was stuck in the mud.
MS have a reputation for throwing money and resources at things until they get them right, and that must have been attractive to Nokia at the time - first mover advantage and better integration on a platform that MS will just keep throwing money at until it succeeds.
It may not be working yet (and MS may yet fail) but it gave them breathing space (especially from investors ) to get their engineering depts back in a good place and be in a better position to slug it out on android should MS fail.
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If you've ever seen an N9 in action you'd have a different opinion. BlackBerry have taken a year and a half since it was released to come up with something very similar.
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> to get their engineering depts back in a good place
Only if you define "good place" as "the street, looking for a job"...
Actually, startups have been increasing in Finland recently due to talented people having been kicked out of Nokia. That may yet turn out to be a blessing: the tech sector is no longer so dependent on one big company.
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> MS have a reputation for throwing money and resources at things until they get them right
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Office? Windows? Xbox? Servers?
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> MS have a reputation for throwing money and resources at things until they get them right
looks more like an iphone than the galaxy s does.
how long before apple sue i wonder?
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Apple will only sue if it becomes a threat. To become a threat they would have to sell some!
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Nokia have a strong patent portfolio. Apple actually pay money to Nokia for every iPhone sold.
I expect Apple will not sue Nokia.
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...and apple buy the majority of their electronicy parts from samsung - that wont stop em
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I expect Nokia will not copy Apple and therefore Apple will not sue Nokia.
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> Nokia have a strong patent portfolio.
Which they are already selling off to trolls.
That's no "power user"
I've been using my WinPhone for almost one year now and quite frankly I don't quite agree that the blogwriter is "on the money". In fact; if you call yourself a "hardcore user" and eventually give up with the installation of your previous apps. because its too tedious then you're basically showing your own ignorance.
I'd expect any "power user" who (I quote): "Yep, that wouldn't be me - as a "hardcore" smartphone users – I need all the new apps, new features, timely updates, good support and the list goes on."
I'm by -far- a power user, merely a casual business / techfreak user yet even I managed to come across ReInstaller. A free app which does just that: re-install everything in your purchased list. Its also not that hard to find: simply search for "reinstaller" and you'll find it.
A "power user" giving up on a task while there's an app for it ?
And when it comes to his endless list of shortcomings I can't help wonder why he got a WinPhone in the first place. I can understand the desire for a notification centre, I don't agree with it because the live tiles work fine for me, but I can see where he's coming from. However... He claims to be a power user yet gives us: "Fair enough but am I supposed to sit blankly at the screen every second of the day or wait 30 minutes for a tile to be updated or better yet wait for a push notification to come and decide to pick between a sip of coffee or clicking on the notification before it goes to a never to be discovered black hole?".
What black hole? That's totally bogus; the notifications only disappear when you activated 'm. When I see "5" on my e-mail tile I know there are 5 unread messages. When I click it the 5 disappears. Which by itself is something which annoys some real power users: they want an option to make it so that the 5 only disappears when they actually read (or handled) all 5 new messages.
Well; and quite frankly its about there when I gave up reading on that rant blog. I mean really; VPN is a mandatory feature on a smartphone ? Heck, I wonder if he actually knows that you can adjust the interval in which the phone checks for new e-mail.
Doesn't mean I disagree with his points perse; there are quite a few things which should be fixed on the WP platform. But there is a difference between constructive criticism or a rant which makes some people wonder why you'd got that phone in the first place. Sounds like the "I gave into the hype, bought a phone, now I hate it" kind of thing.
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Unfortunately the Reinstall app is no longer working.
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The recovery for Davey Richards is not going as fast as many had hoped for, so TNA has had to make the tough decision to pull the Wolves from their advertised appearance at Bound For Glory 2014, which is taking place in Japan this year. No word yet on who will replace the duo, but there is a chance that Eddie Edwards could still be utilized on the pay per view in a match.
September 24, 2014
Could Davey Richards and Eddie Edwards be gone from TNA as quickly as they came in? That's the speculation going around right now, as it has been revealed that the contract for the Wolves expire at the end of this year. Management does have the option of extending the deal for another year, but a lot of people are skeptical since the company has been letting a lot of people walk over the last couple of months.
August 28, 2014
While working a tag team match with Eddie Edwards at a TNA live event in Pennsylvania, Davey Richards suffered a serious leg injury. Upon being rushed to the hospital, it was discovered that he has a broken fibula. Richards is expected to be out of action for approximately 6 weeks, which means that TNA will need to figure out what they want to do with the tag team titles.
August 16, 2014
MVP is not the only TNA performer who is involved with the Ferguson protests and riots. It has now been revealed that Davey Richards has been working as a paramedic in the area. The tag team champion sent a message to MVP to be careful as Richards has witnessed a lot of the crazy things that have been going on up there. The protests are said to be much more peaceful as of late.
August 16, 2014
Wrestle-1 ran a live event this week, and a couple of TNA stars were on hand for the show. Rockstar Spud, Ethan Carter, Davey Richards and Eddie Edwards were all sent to Japan by Dixie Carter to participate. Great Muta even teamed up with Spud and Carter in a match. The belief is that we will be seeing more talent exchange situations between the two companies for the foreseeable future.
July 7, 2014
Fans have dream matches that they want to see. Professional wrestlers, though, have dream matches that they want to work. Eddie Edwards and Davey Richards are big fans of Jeff Hardy and Matt Hardy, and word going around the locker room is that the TNA World Tag Team Champions were honored to be in the same ring as a tag team that they looked up to.
June 27, 2014
Rumors floating around right now has Davey Richards attempting to fleece his former employer, ROH, of their talent roster. While some feel that he is doing this on behalf of TNA, there are reports that company officials are denying it steadfastly. They are claiming that Richards is doing this on his own, and that they do not attempt to sign contracted performers.
June 13, 2014
As of right now, TNA has not announced the opponents for Ross Von Erich and Marshall Von Erich, the sons of Texas legend Kevin Von Erich, at Slammiversary 2014. Some rumors are floating around that they might be paired up with excellent ring workers in Davey Richards and Eddie Edwards, but others believe that they will be working against a heel tandem in order to generate a good reaction in front of their hometown fans in Dallas.
June 7, 2014
"I always found it funny when I heard reports that I was one of the higher paid guys on the roster. I'd look at my paycheck and I never thought I was one of the higher paid guys. Essentially my contract was one of those where you only made a lot of money if you worked a lot, and I certainly wasn't working as much near the end of my contract as I was a year ago. I don't think that financial reasons were the reason I wasn't renewed. I don't know if they thought our act was tired or they wanted to go in a different direction. I'm not sure why that's the case, especially when I felt like there was a simple and great program in the works between us and Davey Richards and Eddie Edwards, but apparently the guys on the creative team didn't have the same desire to see that program take place." - Christopher Daniels discusses his contract situation with TNA
May 8, 2014
Despite being against the odds in a 3-on-2 handicap no disqualification match at TNA Sacrifice 2014, Eddie Edwards and Davey Richards were able to walk away from the pay per view as the new world tag team champions by beating Zema Ion, Robbie E and Jessie Godderz.
April 27, 2014
While the majority of the pay per view has already been announced, there are rumors backstage that an eight match could be added. Davey Richards and Eddie Edward are expected to be given a spot on the show, and their opponents could be Zema Ion, Robbie E and Jessie Godderz. There are also talks that MVP could be added if TNA doesn't want to do a handicap tag team match.
April 21, 2014
A message from Davey Richards on Twitter, where he asks MVP to give he and Eddie Edwards a match against Zema Ion, Robbie E and Jessie Godderz at TNA Sacrifice 2014.
April 17, 2014
"I never really wanted to go to WWE. The tryout there was awesome. It was really fun and I can't say enough good things and I learned a lot, but I told a few of the guys during the initial tryout with Eddie that this was not for me just because moving down to Orlando is not what I wanted to do and wrestling is not the only thing I want to do with my life. To give up everything and just live in that world is not my idea of a great life or a perfect life. TNA offered me to be able to wrestle with some of the best wrestlers in the world, I could be on television, I could go and entertain crowds but I could still come home and be Wes. I could be Davey, then I could be Wes. It was just better for me and I couldn't be happier in TNA it's been great." - Davey Richards on choosing TNA over WWE
April 14, 2014
Even though he already has a hold of the X Division Championship, Seiya Sanada has his eyes on another belt in TNA, as the Japanese star will be teaming up with another newcomer, Tigre Uno, in a triple threat tag team match for the tag titles. Davey Richards and Eddie Edwards will be the defending champions, while Robbie E and Jessie Godderz will attempt to reclaim the belts they once held.
March 14, 2014
"I don't know. You never really know what they're thinking. The original plan was to do three weeks of NXT and then go to Smackdown but then we got the email that basically what it said was you guys are great but we have a lot of Davey's and Eddie's right now. So we'd probably just put you in developmental to start out and we wouldn't do that when you've already been around the world making a living so you're free to pursue other interests. I thought at least they're being honest because they could have been yeah, you're in developmental and it's going to be great. Then you're down there for three years. I thought it was really respectful of them. Obviously it worked out for them and it worked out for us. We're both happy. It didn't really surprise me. I'm thankful for it." - Davey Richards discusses being rejected by the developmental program in WWE
March 10, 2014
"We're not talking. We're not on good terms. I have no respect for them whatsoever. I strongly dislike management there like with the exception of Jeff Jones who is a great guy. But the booker (Hunter Johnson) is completely inadequate at his job and he got his job more for being spineless than being talented. And the owner (Joe Koff) is even worse, he could care less about wrestling. He just wants to do television. To me, it's just not something I agree with but I'm not there anymore and they do their own thing. And for the talent and the fans I wish them nothing but the best of luck. That company is in business not because of stellar booking and stellar management. They're in business still because they'they're spineless. The talent there is phenomenal. They're top notch and great. But the management from the booker to the owner it's definitely shut up and do what you're told and drink the Kool-aid. I made a joke when I was there I called it Jim Jones wrestling. Just shut up and drink the Kool-aid and do your job. In private, people are going this sucks this sucks this sucks and I'm the one who came out and said this is terrible. I worked for that company and gave them everything I had for seven years. I think I earned my right to an opinion. Once that got out, it was like you're going against the stream? You're not here to have an opinion, just shut up and do your job and get your paycheck. I'm sure you can find someone else to do that for a lot less money than what you're paying me so I'm just going to go about my way. Best decision I ever made and I have no desire to go back, ever." - Davey Richards talks about the backstage politics in ROH
March 8, 2014
Late last month, Eddie Edwards and Davey Richards captured the TNA tag titles at a live event from the BroMans. At the Wrestle-1 Outbreak pay per view, Jessie Godderz and Robbie E recaptured the championships. Great Muta really wanted a title change to take place at his show, so Dixie Carter and her company complied with those wishes.
March 2, 2014
Over the weekend, Eddie Edwards and Davey Richards captured their first championship in TNA, as the duo was able to wrest the tag team titles away from Jessie Godderz and Robbie E at a house show. The move had been expected since Dixie Carter wants to send Edwards and Richards to Japan to work for the Great Muta on his Wrestle-1 Outbreak pay per view.
February 24, 2014
While management has been impressed with Davey Richards as well, it appears that TNA is especially high on Eddie Edwards. The feeling backstage is that he can eventually become a breakout star down the line. Edwards was the one that ROH management was hoping would stick around instead of jumping ship.
February 20, 2014
One of the biggest reasons why TNA is pushing the American Wolves on Impact Wrestling is to send a message to people in WWE. A lot of them, especially William Regal, were said to be upset that the two were not given contract offers. By pushing Davey Richards and Eddie Edwards, Dixie Carter can let performers know that her company could be a viable place of employment for others.
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Generic Name: mesalamine
Note: This page contains information about the side effects of mesalamine. Some of the dosage forms included on this document may not apply to the brand name Lialda.
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Applies to mesalamine: oral capsule delayed release, oral capsule extended release, oral tablet, oral tablet delayed release, oral tablet enteric coated
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In addition to its needed effects, some unwanted effects may be caused by mesalamine (the active ingredient contained in Lialda). In the event that any of these side effects do occur, they may require medical attention.
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- bloody diarrhea
- rectal bleeding
- Abdominal or stomach cramps (severe)
- blurred vision
- dizziness
- fever
- full or bloated feeling
- headache (severe)
- nervousness
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- Anxiety
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- blue or pale skin
- chest pain, possibly moving to the left arm, neck, or shoulder
- chills
- nausea or vomiting
- shortness of breath
- yellow eyes or skin
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- diarrhea (mild)
- headache (mild)
- runny or stuffy nose
- sneezing
- Acid or sour stomach
- acne
- back or joint pain
- belching
- difficulty with moving
- excess air or gas in the stomach or intestines
- hair loss or thinning of the hair
- heartburn
- indigestion
- loss of appetite
- muscle pain or stiffness
- passing gas
- stomach discomfort or upset
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Applies to mesalamine: compounding powder, oral capsule extended release, oral delayed release capsule, oral delayed release tablet, rectal enema, rectal kit, rectal suppository
Colitis symptoms (including cramping, acute abdominal pain, and bloody diarrhea, and occasionally fever, headache, malaise, pruritus, rash, and conjunctivitis) have been exacerbated after starting mesalamine (the active ingredient contained in Lialda) or sulfasalazine in 3% of patients in controlled clinical trials. This acute intolerance syndrome may be difficult to distinguish from a flare of inflammatory bowel disease.
Worsening of colitis or symptoms of inflammatory bowel disease, including melena and hematochezia, have also been reported after commencing mesalamine rectal suspension enema.
Very common (10% or more): Abdominal pain (up to 18%), eructation (up to 16%), nausea (up to 13%)
Common (1% to 10%): Diarrhea (up to 8%), dyspepsia (up to 6%), ulcerative colitis (up to 5.8%), vomiting (up to 5%), constipation (up to 5%), upper abdominal pain (up to 5%), gastrointestinal bleeding (up to 5% or greater), flatulence (up to 5% or greater), acute intolerance syndrome (3%), colitis exacerbation (up to 3%), lower abdominal pain (less than 3%), rectal hemorrhage (less than 3%), gastroenteritis (2% or greater), gastrointestinal hemorrhage (2% or greater), stool abnormalities (color or texture change; up to 2% or greater), tenesmus (up to 2% or greater), rectal disorder (2% or greater), abdominal enlargement (up to 2% or greater), abdominal distention (up to 1.3%)
Rare (less than 0.1%): Colitis, pancreatitis, rectal polyp, duodenal ulcer, esophageal ulcer, dysphagia, fecal incontinence, oral moniliasis, thirst, recurrence of ulcerative colitis, gastritis, stomatitis, perforated peptic ulcer
Frequency not reported: Worsening of colitis or symptoms of inflammatory bowel disease (including melena and hematochezia), elevated amylase, elevated lipase
Postmarketing reports: Pancreatitis, gastritis, dry mouth, oral ulcers, gastroenteritis, gastrointestinal bleeding, perforated peptic ulcer, bloody diarrhea, taste perversion
Nervous system
Very common (10% or more): Headache (up to 35%)
Common (1% to 10%): Dizziness (up to 8%), lightheadedness (8%), faintness (8%), tinnitus (less than 3%), vertigo (less than 3%), migraine (2% or greater), paresthesia (up to 2% or greater), insomnia (up to 2%)
Rare (less than 0.1%): Benign intracranial hypertension (at least 1 case)
Postmarketing reports: Systemic lupus erythematosus, peripheral neuropathy, Guillain-Barre syndrome, transverse myelitis, somnolence, tremor, hyperesthesia, tinnitus, vertigo
A 23-year-old female with ulcerative colitis who had been taking 400 mg mesalamine tablets three times a day developed benign intracranial hypertension. The examination disclosed benign intracranial hypertension that resolved when mesalamine was discontinued and recurred when the drug was restarted.
Very common (10% or more): Muscle aches (21%)
Common (1% to 10%): Back pain (up to 7%), arthralgia (up to 5% or greater), hypertonia (5%), myalgia (up to 3%), joint disorder (2% or greater), arthritis (2%)
Frequency not reported: Leg cramps, rheumatoid arthritis
Postmarketing reports: Gout, myalgia
A 72-year-old female with ulcerative colitis who had begun taking two 400 mg mesalamine (the active ingredient contained in Lialda) tablets twice daily experienced pleural effusion and pulmonary infiltrates. Chest radiograph showed bilateral pleural effusions and an infiltrate in the lower lobe of the right lung. It was determined that the adverse events described appeared likely to be due to mesalamine therapy.
Pleural effusion and pulmonary infiltrates, generally accompanied by eosinophilia, have been reported rarely. More severe cases have included fibrosing alveolitis.
Very common (10% or more): Nasopharyngitis (up to 11%)
Common (1% to 10%): Rhinitis (up to 9%), influenza and influenza-like illness (up to 5% or greater), sinusitis (3%), dyspnea (less than 3%), bronchitis (2% or greater), increased cough (2%)
Rare (less than 0.1%): Pleural effusion, pulmonary infiltrates, fibrosing alveolitis
Postmarketing reports: Eosinophilic pneumonia, interstitial pneumonitis, asthma exacerbation, pleuritis, pneumonitis, hypersensitivity pneumonitis, allergic alveolitis
Common (1% to 10%): Chest pain of unknown etiology (3%), vasodilation (up to 2% or greater)
Uncommon (0.1% to 1%): Hypertension (up to 1%)
Rare (less than 0.1%): Tachycardia, hypotension, palpitations, pericarditis, pericardial effusion, myocarditis, T-wave abnormalities, severe symptomatic sinus bradycardia (at least 1 case), pleuropericarditis (at least 1 case)
Postmarketing reports: Angioedema, myocarditis, pericardial effusion, pericarditis
One 20-year-old patient died of cardiac arrhythmias attributed to myocarditis 13 days after starting mesalamine.
A 56-year-old male with hypertension and ulcerative proctitis experienced pleuropericarditis coincident with mesalamine therapy. Evaluation revealed acute pleuropericarditis manifested by ECG changes, pericardial effusion, and a small pleural effusion. All symptoms resolved when mesalamine was discontinued.
Very common (10% or more): Pain (in various parts of the body; up to 14%)
Common (1% to 10%): Asthenia (up to 7%), fever (up to 6%), chills (3%), peripheral edema (3%), fatigue (up to 3%), ear disorder (2% or greater), infection (2% or greater), malaise (2%)
Frequency not reported: Pyrexia, pharyngolaryngeal pain, ear pain, ear congestion
Postmarketing reports: Lupus-like syndrome, drug fever, neck pain, facial edema, edema
Common (1% to 10%): Rash (up to 7%), sweating (up to 3%), pruritus (up to 3%), alopecia (less than 3%), acne (up to 2%)
Rare (less than 0.1%): Lupus erythematosus-like reactions, prurigo, eczema, lichen planus, nail disorder, photosensitivity, folliculitis
Postmarketing reports: Psoriasis, alopecia, pyoderma gangrenosum, dry skin, erythema nodosum, urticaria, Stevens-Johnson syndrome
Common (1% to 10%): Decreased hematocrit and hemoglobin (less than 3%)
Rare (less than 0.1%): Agranulocytosis, aplastic anemia
Frequency not reported: Neutropenia, pancytopenia, ecchymosis, thrombocythemia, decreased platelet count
Postmarketing reports: Granulocytopenia, agranulocytosis, aplastic anemia, thrombocytopenia, eosinophilia, leukopenia, anemia, lymphadenopathy
Common (1% to 10%): Rash and pruritus (greater than 2%); arthralgias, myalgias, and fever (greater than 1%)
Uncommon (0.1% to 1%): Allergic reactions (which could involve eosinophilia), hepatitis, interstitial pneumonitis, pericarditis
Rare (less than 0.1%): Hypersensitivity reactions (such as hypersensitivity pneumonitis, angioedema, erythroderma, toxic epidermal necrolysis, palmar-plantar erythrodysesthesia, hypereosinophilia), pruriginous rash (at least 2 cases)
Frequency not reported: Mesalamine-induced cardiac hypersensitivity reactions (myocarditis and pericarditis)
Postmarketing reports: Anaphylactic reaction, drug reaction with eosinophilia and systemic symptoms (DRESS)
A male patient with ulcerative colitis experienced pruriginous rash coincident with mesalamine therapy. He experienced the cutaneous hypersensitivity reaction 48 hours after initiating therapy with mesalamine 500 mg orally every 8 hours. After mesalamine was suspended and antihistamines were given, the patient recovered. Upon reintroduction of mesalamine, the symptoms appeared again 24 hours later.
Common (1% to 10%): Cholestatic hepatitis (less than 3%), elevated transaminases (less than 3%), abnormal liver function test (up to 2.3%)
Rare (less than 0.1%): Granulomatous hepatitis (at least 1 case)
Frequency not reported: Hepatitis (presenting with rash, fever, abdominal pain, nausea, vomiting, chills, dizziness, hepatomegaly, lymphadenopathy, and laboratory abnormalities [including elevated liver function tests, eosinophilia, and leukocytosis]), hepatic impairment, jaundice, cholestatic jaundice, cirrhosis, liver necrosis, liver failure, Kawasaki-like syndrome (including changes in liver enzymes), transient elevations in liver function tests, hypersensitivity hepatitis, hepatic failure
Postmarketing reports: Elevated AST (SGOT) or ALT (SGPT), elevated gamma-glutamyltransferase, elevated bilirubin, hepatitis, jaundice, cholecystitis, cholestatic jaundice, liver necrosis, liver failure, Kawasaki-like syndrome (including changes in liver enzymes)
A 42-year-old male with ulcerative colitis was admitted for investigation of prolonged fever associated with cholestatic liver tests. Endoscopic retrograde cholangiopancreatography demonstrated a normal biliary tree, and liver biopsy showed granulomata. The symptoms disappeared after cessation of mesalamine therapy and recurred on rechallenge.
Hypersensitivity hepatitis associated with mesalamine appears to occur less commonly than with sulfasalazine.
Hepatic failure has been reported in patients with preexisting liver disease.
Renal impairment (including minimal change nephropathy, acute and chronic interstitial nephritis, and, rarely, renal failure) has been reported with products that contain mesalamine (the active ingredient contained in Lialda) or are converted to mesalamine.
Renal tubular dysfunction has been reported, although a definitive causality has not been established.
Common (1% to 10%): Decreased creatinine clearance (less than 3%)
Frequency not reported: Nephrogenic diabetes insipidus, nephrotic syndrome, renal impairment, renal tubular dysfunction
Postmarketing reports: Renal failure, interstitial nephritis, minimal change nephropathy, elevated blood urea nitrogen, elevated serum creatinine
Common (1% to 10%): Dysmenorrhea (3%), hematuria (less than 3%), urinary frequency (2% or greater)
Rare (less than 0.1%): Oligospermia, infertility in men
Frequency not reported: Albuminuria, amenorrhea, breast pain, hypomenorrhea, metrorrhagia, urinary burning
Postmarketing reports: Dysuria, urinary urgency, hematuria, epididymitis, menorrhagia, reversible oligospermia
Rarely, oligospermia and infertility in men have been reported and have been attributed to sulfasalazine.
Common (1% to 10%): Anxiety (2% or greater), nervousness (2% or greater)
Frequency not reported: Lethargy, mild disorientation, decreased libido
Postmarketing reports: Depression, emotional lability, confusion
Common (1% to 10%): Elevated triglycerides (less than 3%)
Postmarketing reports: Anorexia, increased appetite, elevated alkaline phosphatase, elevated lactate dehydrogenase
Common (1% to 10%): Vision abnormalities (2% or greater), conjunctivitis (up to 2%)
Postmarketing reports: Eye pain, blurred vision
Rectal suspension enemas:
Common (1% to 10%): Pain on insertion of enema tip (1.35%), hemorrhoids (1.35%), rectal pain (1.23%)
Uncommon (0.1% to 1%): Rectal pain/soreness/burning (0.61%)
Frequency not reported: Perianal irritation
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hi there
i installed cvs using apt-get and when i try and use it i get the following:
[root@localhost etc]# cvs
cvs: relocation error: cvs: undefined symbol: GSS_C_NT_HOSTBASED_SERVICE
i read it might be a problem with kerberos lib so i removed that from /etc/ld.so.conf and updated lib then got the following:
[root@localhost etc]# cvs
cvs: error while loading shared libraries: libgssapi_krb5.so.2: cannot open shared object file: No such file or directory
so i'm a bit stuck! any ideas?
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Ok. This just means that whoever packaged the CVS RPM didn't include a dependency to krb5-libs or...dunno. I thought you pretty much needed kr5b-libs for pam & stuff.
Anyway, apt-get install kr5b-libs. If it is there, do an `rpm -q krb5-libs` and let me know what release you are running.
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tried to install but got the following:
The following packages have unmet dependencies:
perl: Obsoletes: perl-CGI but 2:3.05-0_5.rh9at is to be installed
E: Broken packages
if i rpm -q i get:
version of blag is 9000
i noticed that i have enabled apt sources for both 9000 and 10000 so i'm wondering if this is causing a problem.
anyway i've apt-get removed perl-CGI, and then tried to install krb5-libs
It threw up a whole list of upgrade packages and 1new one, compat-db.
after that it now works!
Posted: Thu Jan 27, 2005 8:25 pm
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Ok. It looks like you at ATRPMs repository enabled and that was causing some sort of conflict.
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cvs works fine now. my redhat confi stuff is fcked tho - tried redhat-config-network and got:
rror in sys.excepthook:
Traceback (most recent call last):
File "/usr/sbin/redhat-config-network-gui", line 68, in <lambda>
File "/usr/lib/python2.2/site-packages/rhpl/exception.py", line 291, in handleException
fs = FileSelection(_("Please specify a file to save the dump"))
File "/usr/lib/python2.2/site-packages/rhpl/exception.py", line 209, in __init__
import gnome.ui
ImportError: /usr/lib/libkrb5.so.3: undefined symbol: add_error_table
Original exception was:
Traceback (most recent call last):
File "/usr/sbin/redhat-config-network-gui", line 186, in ?
from netconfpkg import NC_functions
File "/usr/lib/python2.2/site-packages/PIL/__init__.py", line 41, in ?
# ;-)
File "/usr/lib/python2.2/site-packages/rhpl/genClass.py", line 994, in GenClass_read_classfile
__GenClass_read_classfile(boxpath, mod, OptLower)
File "/usr/lib/python2.2/site-packages/rhpl/genClass.py", line 947, in __GenClass_read_classfile
doc = xml.dom.minidom.parse(boxpath)
File "/usr/lib/python2.2/site-packages/_xmlplus/dom/minidom.py", line 962, in parse
return _doparse(pulldom.parse, args, kwargs)
File "/usr/lib/python2.2/site-packages/_xmlplus/dom/minidom.py", line 953, in _doparse
events = apply(func, args, kwargs)
File "/usr/lib/python2.2/site-packages/_xmlplus/dom/pulldom.py", line 338, in parse
parser = xml.sax.make_parser()
File "/usr/lib/python2.2/site-packages/_xmlplus/sax/sax2exts.py", line 37, in make_parser
return XMLParserFactory.make_parser(parser_list)
File "/usr/lib/python2.2/site-packages/_xmlplus/sax/saxexts.py", line 64, in make_parser
return self._create_parser(parser_name)
File "/usr/lib/python2.2/site-packages/_xmlplus/sax/saxexts.py", line 42, in _create_parser
drv_module = __import__(parser_name,{},{},['create_parser'])
File "/usr/lib/python2.2/site-packages/_xmlplus/sax/drivers2/drv_pyexpat.py", line 20, in ?
from xml.sax.expatreader import create_parser
File "/usr/lib/python2.2/site-packages/_xmlplus/sax/expatreader.py", line 28, in ?
from xml.sax import xmlreader, saxutils, handler
File "/usr/lib/python2.2/site-packages/_xmlplus/sax/saxutils.py", line 8, in ?
import types, sys, urllib, urlparse, os, string
File "/usr/lib/python2.2/urllib.py", line 26, in ?
import socket
File "/usr/lib/python2.2/socket.py", line 41, in ?
from _socket import *
ImportError: /usr/lib/libkrb5.so.3: undefined symbol: add_error_table
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Ezetimibe Simvastatin (Vytorin)
What is Ezetimibe Simvastatin?
Ezetimibe reduces the amount of cholesterol absorbed by the body.
Simvastatin is in a group of drugs called HMG CoA reductase inhibitors, or "statins."
Ezetimibe and simvastatin is a combination medicine that reduces blood levels of "bad" cholesterol (low-density lipoprotein, or LDL) and triglycerides, while increasing levels of "good" cholesterol (high-density lipoprotein, or HDL).
Ezetimibe and simvastatin is used together with a low-fat diet and other treatments to lower total cholesterol in adults and children who are at least 10 years old. It is not known whether this medicine reduces your risk of heart disease.
Ezetimibe and simvastatin may also be used for purposes not listed in this medication guide.
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- What is the most important information I should know about Ezetimibe Simvastatin?
- What should I discuss with my healthcare provider before taking Ezetimibe Simvastatin?
- How much does Ezetimibe Simvastatin cost?
- What conditions might Ezetimibe Simvastatin treat?
- What does Ezetimibe Simvastatin look like?
What is the most important information I should know about Ezetimibe Simvastatin?
You should not use this medicine if you have active liver disease or abnormal liver function tests.
The following drugs should not be used while you are taking ezetimibe and simvastatin: boceprevir, cyclosporine, danazol, gemfibrozil, nefazodone, telaprevir, certain antibiotics (clarithromycin, erythromycin, telithromycin), antifungal medication (itraconazole, ketoconazole, posaconazole, voriconazole), or certain HIV/AIDS medication (atazanavir, cobicistat (Stribild), indinavir, nelfinavir, ritonavir, saquinavir, tipranavir).
Do not use ezetimibe and simvastatin if you are pregnant or if you could become pregnant. Use effective birth control.
Do not breast-feed while using this medicine.
What should I discuss with my healthcare provider before taking Ezetimibe Simvastatin?
You should not use this medicine if you are allergic to simvastatin (Zocor) or ezetimibe (Vytorin, Zetia), or if you have:
- active liver disease
- abnormal liver function tests; or
- if you are pregnant or breast-feeding
The following drugs can increase your risk of serious muscle problems if you take them together with ezetimibe and simvastatin. These drugs should not be used while you are taking simvastatin:
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- hepatitis C medications--boceprevir, telaprevir; or
- HIV/AIDS medication--atazanavir, cobicistat (Stribild), indinavir, nelfinavir, ritonavir, saquinavir, tipranavir
Before you start taking ezetimibe and simvastatin, tell your doctor if you are already using any of these other medicines:
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- diltiazem
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- ranolazine; or
- verapamil
To make sure ezetimibe and simvastatin is safe for you, tell your doctor if you have:
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- untreated or uncontrolled seizures
- if you drink large amounts of alcohol
- if you are older than 65; or
- if you are of Chinese descent
FDA pregnancy category X. This medication can harm an unborn baby or cause birth defects. Do not take ezetimibe and simvastatin if you are pregnant. Use effective birth control. Stop using the medicine and tell your doctor right away if you become pregnant.
It is not known whether ezetimibe and simvastatin passes into breast milk or if it could harm a nursing baby. Do not breast-feed while using this medicine.
How much does Ezetimibe Simvastatin cost?
What conditions might Ezetimibe Simvastatin treat?
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Ezetimibe Simvastatin Side Effects
What are the possible side effects of Ezetimibe Simvastatin?
Get emergency medical help if you have any of these signs of an allergic reaction: hives; difficulty breathing; swelling of your face, lips, tongue, or throat.
In rare cases, simvastatin can cause a condition that results in the breakdown of skeletal muscle tissue, leading to kidney failure. Call your doctor right away if you have unexplained muscle pain, tenderness, or weakness especially if you also have fever, unusual tiredness, and dark colored urine.
Stop using this medicine and call your doctor at once if you have:
- little or no urinating, pain in your side or lower back
- swelling, rapid weight gain
- nausea, upper stomach pain, loss of appetite, unusual tiredness; or
- dark urine, clay-colored stools, jaundice (yellowing of the skin or eyes)
Common side effects may include:
- headache
- diarrhea; or
- cold symptoms such as stuffy nose, sneezing, sore throat
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What other drugs affect Ezetimibe Simvastatin?
Many drugs can interact with ezetimibe and simvastatin. Not all possible interactions are listed here. Tell your doctor about all your medications and any you start or stop using during treatment with ezetimibe and simvastatin, especially:
- colchicine
- lomitapide
- fenofibrate, fenofibric acid
- a blood thinner (warfarin, Coumadin, Jantoven)
- heart rhythm medicine--amiodarone or dronedarone
- heart or blood pressure medicine--amlodipine, diltiazem, ranolazine, verapamil; or
- medicines that contain niacin, or vitamin B3, such as Advicor, Niaspan, Niacor, Simcor, Slo-Niacin, and others
This list is not complete and many other drugs can cause serious or life-threatening medical problems if used together with ezetimibe and simvastatin. This includes prescription and over-the-counter medicines, vitamins, and herbal products. Give a list of all your medicines to any healthcare provider who treats you.Back to Top
What should I avoid while taking Ezetimibe Simvastatin?
Grapefruit and grapefruit juice may interact with this medicine and lead to unwanted side effects. Avoid the use of grapefruit products while taking ezetimibe and simvastatin.
If you also take cholestyramine, colesevelam, or colestipol: Space your doses apart in order to take ezetimibe and simvastatin either 2 hours before or 4 hours after you take any of these other medications.
Avoid drinking alcohol. It can raise triglyceride levels and may increase your risk of liver damage.
Avoid eating foods that are high in fat or cholesterol. Ezetimibe and simvastatin will not be as effective in lowering your cholesterol if you do not follow a cholesterol-lowering diet plan.Back to Top
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Ezetimibe Simvastatin Dosage
In This Section:
How should I take Ezetimibe Simvastatin?
Follow all directions on your prescription label. Your doctor may occasionally change your dose to make sure you get the best results. Do not take this medicine in larger or smaller amounts or for longer than recommended.
While using this medicine, you may need frequent blood tests.
If you have major surgery or a severe injury or infection, make sure any doctor caring for you knows you are taking ezetimibe and simvastatin.
Ezetimibe and simvastatin is only part of a complete program of treatment that also includes diet, exercise, and weight control. Follow your diet, medication, and exercise routines very closely.
Store at room temperature away from moisture and heat. Keep the bottle tightly closed when not in use.Back to Top
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Seek emergency medical attention or call the Poison Help line at 1-800-222-1222.Back to Top
What happens if I miss a dose of Ezetimibe Simvastatin?
Take the missed dose as soon as you remember. Skip the missed dose if it is almost time for your next scheduled dose. Do not take extra medicine to make up the missed dose.Back to Top
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June 23, 2014
Women in Engineering ProActive Network (WEPAN), presented its prestigious annual Distinguished Service Award to Beth Holloway, Assistant Dean of Engineering for Undergraduate Education and Director of the Women in Engineering Program at Purdue University on June 11, at the WEPAN 2014 Change Leader Forum in Minneapolis, MN. The Distinguished Service Award recognizes WEPAN members whose individual service has made a significant impact for the organization.Read Full Story
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Perished Nations
The People of 'Ad
The location of the city of 'Ad was discovered by photographs taken from the Space
1. Ubar, could only be seen from space before excavations were made.
So far, we have seen that Ubar could possibly be the city of Iram mentioned in the Qur'an. As revealed in the Qur'an, the inhabitants of the city did not listen to the Prophet Hud (as), who had brought a message to them and who warned them, and so they perished.
The identity of 'Ad who found the city of Iram has also created much debate. In historical records, there is no mention of a people having such a developed culture or of the civilisation they established. It might be thought quite strange that the name of such a people is not found in historical records.
On the other hand, it may not be so surprising not to come across the presence of these people in the records and archives of old civilisations. The reason for that is that these people lived in South Arabia, which was a region distant from other people living in the Mesopotamia region and the Middle East, and which only had a restricted relationship with them. It was a common situation for a state, which is scarcely known, not to be recorded in the historical records. On the other hand, it is possible to hear stories among people in the Middle East about 'Ad.
The most important reason why 'Ad has not been mentioned in the written records is that written communication was not common in the region at that time. Therefore, it is possible to think that 'Ad founded a civilisation but this civilisation had not been mentioned in the historical records of those other civilisations that kept documentation. If this culture had existed a little longer, maybe much more would be known about these people today.
There is no written record of 'Ad, but it is possible to find important information about their descendants and to have an idea about 'Ad in the light of this information.
The first place to consider while searching for the traces of a probable civilisation established by 'Ad or their descendants, is South Yemen, whereThe Atlantis of the Sands, Ubar is found and which is referred to asFortunate Arabia. In South Yemen, four peoples have existed before our time who are namedFortunate Arabs by the Greeks. These are the Hadramites, Sabaeans, Minaeans and Qatabaeans. These four peoples reigned for a while together in territories close to each other.
Many contemporary scientists say that 'Ad entered into a period of transformation and then re-appeared on the stage of history. Dr. Mikail H. Rahman, a researcher at the University of Ohio, believes that the people of 'Ad are the ancestors of the Hadramites, one of the four peoples who lived in South Yemen. Appearing around 500 BC, the Hadramites are the least known among the people calledFortunate Arabs. These people ruled over the region of South Yemen for a very long time and disappeared totally in 240 AD at the end of a long period of decline.
The name of Hadrami hints that those may be the descendants of 'Ad. The Greek writer Pliny, living at the third century BC, referred to this tribe asAdramitai - meaning the Hadrami.23The termination of the Greek name is a noun-suffix, the noun beingAdram which immediately suggests that it is a possible corruption ofAd-i Iram mentioned in the Qur'an.
The Greek geographer Ptolemy (87-150 AD) showed the south of the Arabian Peninsula as the place where the people calledAdramitai lived. This region has been known by the name ofHadhramaut until recently. The capital city of the Hadrami State, Shabwah, was situated at the west of the Hadhramaut Valley. According to many old legends, the tomb of the Prophet Hud (as), who was sent as a messenger to 'Ad, is in Hadhramaut.
Another factor which tends to confirm the thought that the Hadramites are a continuation of 'Ad, is their wealth. The Greeks defined the Hadramites as therichest race in the world…. Historical records say that the Hadramites had gone very far in the agriculture of frankincense, one of the most valuable plants of the time. They had found new areas of usage for the plant and widened its usage. The agricultural production of the Hadramites was much higher than present-day production of this plant.
What has been found in the excavations made in Shabwah, which is known to have been the capital city of the Hadramites, is very interesting. In these excavations which started in 1975, it was extremely difficult for archaeologists to reach the remains of the city due to the deep sand dunes. The finds obtained by the end of the excavations were astonishing; because the uncovered ancient city was one of the most overwhelmingly interesting found until then. The walled town that was revealed was of a larger extent than of any other ancient Yemeni site and its palace was remarked to be a truly magnificent building
Doubtless, it was very logical to suppose that the Hadramites had inherited this architectural superiority from their forerunners, 'Ad. Hud (as) said to the people of 'Ad while warning them:
Do ye build a landmark on every high place to amuse yourselves? And do ye get for yourselves fine buildings in the hope of living therein (for ever)? (Surat ash-Shu'ara: 128-129)
Another interesting characteristic of the buildings found at Shabwah was the elaborate columns. The columns that were at Shabwah seemed to be quite unique in being round and arranged in a circular portico, whereas all other sites in Yemen so far had been found to have square monolithic columns. The people of Shabwah must have inherited the architectural style of their ancestors, 'Ad. Photius, a Greek Byzantine Patriarch of Constantinople in the ninth century AD, made vast research on the Southern Arabs and their commercial activities because he had access to the old Greek manuscripts no longer extant today, and particularly the book of Agatharachides (132 BC), concerning the Erythraean (Red) Sea. Photius said in one of his articles;It is said that they (South Arabians) have built many columns covered in gold or made of silver. Spaces between these columns are remarkable to behold.24
Although the above statement of Photius does not directly refer to the Hadramites, it does give an idea of the affluence and building prowess of the people living in the region. Greek classical writers Pliny and Strabo describe these cities asadorned with beautiful temples and palaces.
When we think that the owners of these cities were the descendants of 'Ad, it is clearly understood why the home of 'Ad is defined in the Qur'an asthe city of Iram, with lofty pillars. (Surat al-Fajr: 7).
Today, the landscape that someone who travels to Southern Arabia would most frequently come across is vast desert. Most places, with the exception of the cities and regions that have been later afforested, are covered with sand. These deserts have been there for hundreds and maybe thousands of years.
But in the Qur'an, interesting information is given in one of the verses recounting 'Ad. While warning his people, Prophet Hud (as) draws their attention to the springs and gardens with which Allah had endowed them:
Now fear Allah, and obey me. Yea, fear Him Who has bestowed on you freely all that ye know. Freely has He bestowed on you cattle and sons,- And Gardens and Springs. Truly I fear for you the Penalty of a Great Day. (Surat ash-Shuara: 131-135)
But as we have noted before, Ubar, which has been identified with the city of Iram, and any other place which is likely to have been the residence of 'Ad, is totally covered with desert today. So, why did Hud (as) use such an expression while warning his people?
The answer is hidden in the climatic changes of history. Historical records reveal that these areas which have turned into desert now, had once been very productive and green lands. A great part of the region was covered with green areas and springs as stated in the Qur'an, less than a few thousand years ago, and the people of the region made use of these endowments. The forests softened the harsh climate of the region and made it more habitable. Deserts existed, but did not cover such a vast area as today.
In Southern Arabia, important clues have been acquired in the regions where 'Ad lived, which could cast a light upon this subject. These show that the inhabitants of that region used a highly developed irrigation system. This irrigation most probably served a single purpose: agriculture. In those regions, which are not appropriate for life today, people once cultivated the land.
Satellite imaging has also revealed an extensive system of ancient canals and dams used in irrigation around Ramlat as Sab'atayan which is estimated to have been able to support 200,000 people in the associated cities.25 As Doe, one of the researchers conducting the research, said;So fertile was the area around Ma'rib, that one might conceive that the whole region between Ma'rib and Hadhramaut was once under cultivation. 26
The Greek classical writer Pliny had described this region as being very fertile, and mist-covered with forested mountains, rivers and unbroken tracts of forests. In the inscriptions found in some ancient temples close to Shabwah, the capital city of the Hadramites, it was written that animals were hunted in this region and that some were sacrificed. All these reveal that this region was once covered with fertile lands as well as desert.
The speed with which the desert can encroach can be seen in some recent research done by the Smithsonian Institute in Pakistan where an area known to be fertile in the Middle Ages has turned into sandy desert, with dunes six metres high. The sands can swallow even the highest buildings, and cover them as if they had never existed. Thus excavations at Timna in Yemen in the 1950's have been almost completely covered up again. The Egyptian pyramids were also entirely under sands once and were only brought to light after very long-lasting excavations. Briefly, it is very clear that regions known to be desert today could have had different appearances in the past.
Today, the region where 'Ad lived is full of sand dunes.
In the Qur'an, 'Ad are said to have perished through afurious wind. In the verses of the Qur'an, it is mentioned that this furious wind lasted for seven nights and eight days and destroyed 'Ad totally.
The 'Ad (people) (too) rejected (Truth): then how terrible was My Penalty and My Warning? For We sent against them a furious wind, on a Day of violent Disaster, Plucking out men as if they were roots of palm-trees torn up (from the ground). (Surat al-Qamar: 18-20)
And the 'Ad, they were destroyed by a furious Wind, exceedingly violent. He made it rage against them seven nights and eight days in succession: so that thou couldst see the (whole) people lying prostrate in its (path), as they had been roots of hollow palm-trees tumbled down! (Surat al-Haqqa: 6-7)
Though warned previously, the people had paid no attention to the warnings whatsoever and continuously refuted their messengers. They were in such delusion that they could not even understand what was happening when they saw the destruction approaching them and continued with their denial.
Then, when they saw the (Penalty in the shape of) a cloud traversing the sky, coming to meet their valleys, they said,This cloud will give us rain!. Nay, it is the (Calamity) ye were asking to be hastened!- A wind wherein is a Grievous Penalty! (Surat al-Ahqaf : 24)
In the verse, it is stated that the people saw the cloud that would bring them calamity, but could not understand what it was and thought that it was a rain cloud. This is an important indication as to how the calamity was as it drew near to the people, because a cyclone proceeding along whipping up the desert sand also seems like a rain cloud from a distance. It is possible that the people of 'Ad were deceived by this appearance and did not notice the calamity. Doe gives a description of these sand storms (which seems to be from personal experience):The first sign (of a dust or sandstorm) is an approaching wall of dust-laden air which may be several thousand feet in height lifted by the strong rising currents and stirred by a fairly strong wind. 27
The excavations made in Ubar where the remains of a city was recovered from under a layer of sand metres thick. In this region, it is very well known that a catastrophic sand storm can cause a huge amount of sand to accumulate in a very short time. This can happen suddenly, and in a very unexpected way.
Thought to be the remains of 'Ad,The Atlantis of the Sands, Ubar has been recovered from under a layer of sand metres thick. It seems that the furious wind lasting forseven nights and eight days by the Qur'an's description, accumulated tons of sand on top of the city and buried people under the earth alive. Excavations made in Ubar point to the same possibility. The French magazine, Ça M'Interesse states the following:Ubar was buried under a sand of twelve metres thickness as a result of a storm.28
The most important evidence showing that 'Ad were buried by a sand storm, is the wordahqaf used in the Qur'an to signify the location of 'Ad. The description used in Surat al-Ahqaf is as follows:
Mention (Hud) one of 'Ad's (own) brethren: Behold, he warned his people about the winding Sand-tracts: but there have been warners before him and after him:Worship ye none other than Allah: Truly I fear for you the Penalty of a Mighty Day. (Surat al-Ahqaf: 21).
Ahqaf meanssand dunes in Arabic and it is the plural form of the wordhiqf which means asand dune. This shows that 'Ad lived in a region full ofsand dunes, which provided the most logical ground possible for the fact that they were buried by a sand storm. According to one interpretation, ahqaf lost its meaning ofsand hills and became the name of the region in south Yemen where 'Ad lived. This does not change the fact that the root of this word is sand dunes, but just shows that this word has since become peculiar to this area because of the abundant sand dunes in the region.
The destruction that befell 'Ad from a sandstorm must have annihilated the entire people in a very short time, people who were until then living by cultivating fertile lands and building dams and irrigation channels for themselves. All of the fertile and cultivated fields, irrigation canals and dams of the community living there were covered by sand, and the whole city and its inhabitants were buried alive under the sand. After the people were destroyed, desert spread there in time and covered them leaving no trace.
As a consequence, it can be said that historical and archaeological finds indicate that 'Ad and the city of Iram existed and were destroyed as described in the Qur'an. Through later research, the remains of these people have been recovered from the sands.
What one should do in looking at those remains buried in the sands, is to take warning just as the Qur'an stresses. The Qur'an states that 'Ad went astray of the right path because of their arrogance and said:Who is superior to us in strength?. In the rest of the verse, it is said:What! did they not see that Allah, Who created them, was superior to them in strength? (Surah Fussilat: 15)
What a person has to do is bear this unchangeable fact in mind all the time and understand that the greatest and the most honoured is always Allah and that one can only prosper by adoring Him.
19. Thomas H. Maugh II, Ubar, Fabled Lost City, Found by LA Team, The Los Angeles Times, 5 February 1992.
20. Kamal Salibi, A History of Arabia, Caravan Books, 1980
21. Bertram Thomas, Arabia Felix: Across the Empty Quarter of Arabia, New York: Schrieber's Sons 1932, p. 161
22. Charlene Crabb, Frankincense, Discover,January 1993
23. Nigel Groom, Frankincense and Myrrh, Longman, 1981, p. 81
25. Joachim Chwaszcza, Yemen, 4PA Press, 1992
27. Brian Doe, Southern Arabia, Thames and Hudson, 1971, p. 21


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Dear members,
Thank you, NarutoBase Staff
Originally Posted by Phoenix Wright
Seriously, Tsuchi?
Sir you got trolled.
Great cliffhanger, awesome stuff
Damn!! Must wait another to finally see that face.
What a plan, using Bijuu Dama to force Tobi to swap to another dimension where Naruto's kagebunshin is already waiting for him.
Why the tease, on the other hand Tobi with Ms O.O
Good chapter, anyone else think he will switch to Sasuke next week so he can reveal Tobi on chapter 600.
And lol at mangareada
Very nice. But I'm not sure that Tobi's real face will be revealed in the next chapter.
boner snm
hopefully we get a huge plot twist on chapter 600
Worsr chapter in ages, my favorite character is Obito? F*ck this
The Mystery of Tobi .......is about to be revealed 599 been waiting for you for so long:D
props to the guy who predicted about naruto clone going to that dimension ....don't remember his name but here you go:ice:
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The obito threads are going to blow up even more this week. Maybe its just me but tobi just implied that he really is obito when he scolded kakashi about not being able to use the eye to its full capability because it is only "borrowed". Implying that tobi himself is not borrowing it but infact the original user
I wonder who tobi is and i wonder where sasuke is
Originally Posted by -Logic-
All the theories were correct... some guy said what if they both activate MS? Another one said that what if they teleport the kage bunshin instead? Insanity... we NB members are reading Kishi's mind. Amazing chapter.
only those of high intellect can follow naruto and disect the meanings and plot of this great series. thats y we are naruto fans!!! best manga ever! after dbz that is ^__^
Originally Posted by Phoenix Wright
Seriously, Tsuchi?
lol, was thinking the same
OT: i was thinking before that kakashi should have kamui gai so when tobi goes to his dimension he is there to beat him up but he kamui naruto
Any notice kakashi's eye bleeding? holy crap
Great chapter! I really hope it's not Obito.
the rasengan from naruto his tobis so hard that not only his mask break, but
also his FACE. so it will be full of blood and wounds that we cant even recognize his face.
Watch, next chapter will get back to Sasuke and his best friend, Orochimaru. -_-
You hung us good, Kishi... YOU HUNG US GOOOOOD..
:d :d :d :d
Originally Posted by PositiveEmotions
I already knew wut was gonna happen before i read it i read the spoilers and so far its seems to be obito in the manga they make it so obvious
yes kihsi is trolling us with small fake hints on who it could be, he did it with with madara before it became oboius even then he kept it up making us think he was madara even when it was obius he wasn't. hes trolling kakashi thats what tobi is doing making him lose his cool. next chapter his face will be revealed and it won't be obito otheriwse it won't be surpising it has to be someone we dididn't expect so he build up some tenseion between tobi and kakashi to make us believe it was obito.
and if i'm wrong wow kishi way to let it out long before he f*cking mask came off
That Will Be The Ultimate Trolling! :noc:
Awesome chapter , can't wait for next week to finaly find out who tobi is , so excited !!!!
Originally Posted by Super Saiyan 2 Teen Gohan
So, Kakashi is a monster who's chakra reserves have increased drastically, Naruto/Kurama bond is insane and Tobi will be revealed next week.
u didn't know kakashi had chakra on the same level as naruto since the war started
Epic chapter. Naruto is so broken with his Bijuu Mode clones.
Originally Posted by 15RC
Great chapter! I really hope it's not Obito.
Same. But not because I don't like the idea of it being him. But because they just implied it is him with the whole "borrowed ability" comment and I don't want it to be a blatantly obvious reveal. I want it to be something nobody is expecting
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