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Some Bullet Points on the New Jets GMPosted by on January 18, 2013 – 6:36 pm
Most of us football fans outside the Pacific Northwest would have to admit to not having much familiarity with John Idzik, the Jets' new general manager announced by the team late this afternoon. But many fans, especially Jets followers of a certain age, at least have heard the name for a while.
John Idzik the elder was in fact a veteran NFL man, an assistant coach who made five stops with four Northeast teams, including the Jets, from the mid-Sixties into the Eighties. And more than three decades after giving the Green & White a respectable and improving offense in the late Seventies, he can smile proudly that his son, 52, is now taking on an even bigger job than he had way back when in spiffing up Richard Todd and Matt Robinson for their late Seventies competition to run the Jets offense.
We haven't met the younger Idzik yet and likely won't until he's introduced to reporters and fans next Thursday. But we have a few facts and trivia that point to the quality of the hire that owner Woody Johnson, with help from Jed Hughes and Korn/Ferry, has announced.
■ Everywhere Idzik goes, winning programs break out soon after. He joined the Buccaneers in 1993 and they went 5-11. But they built under Tony Dungy and Jon Gruden to five playoff berths in six years from 1997-02, crowned by the Bucs' Super Bowl XXXVII win over Oakland. His three years at Arizona from 2004-06 were three losing seasons under Denny Green, but Ken Whisenhunt took over in '07 and by '09 the Cards were NFC champions and Super Bowl participants. With the Seahawks, Idzik's first season was 10-6, then came four losing seasons, then came this year's 11-5 resurgence in Seattle.
"John is a well-respected lifelong football man," 'Hawks GM John Schneider said this evening, "who I believe will be a strong addition to the Jets organization."
■ Is he a cap guy? He graduated from Dartmouth magna cum laude and Phi Beta Kappa with a degree in mathematics and has put it to use ever since. His main role with the Seahawks has been described as being their salary cap guy who oversaw player negotiations, cap compliance, player personnel transactions, football operations budgets, staff and team contracts and team travel.
■ Is he a personnel guy? That is already a burning question for fans and media and will continue to be on through next Thursday's news conference to introduce Idzik. He will explain his experience far better than I can from limited research, but yes, he has personnel experience as well. He was a pro personnel assistant, director of football administration and assistant GM with the Bucs, and his Seattle bio stresses that besides all the admin stuff he did for them, he also remained "active in player evaluations." Before the pros he coached at Duke, SUNY Buffalo and for the Aberdeen, as in Scotland, Oilers of the BAFL, as in the British American Football League.
■ Idzik's first coaching assignment came as the receivers coach at SUNY Buffalo in '82. His second was as the offensive backfield coach for Aberdeen in '90. What did he do in between? He was a programming projects manager and systems engineer for IBM, working in White Plains, N.Y., Atlanta and Tampa.
■ A little more about those bloodlines that no doubt interested Johnson and head coach Rex Ryan: The Jets have had two league-leading rushing attacks since joining the NFL in 1970. The last time was 2009, Ryan's first year as head coach. The first time was 1979, Idzik Sr.'s last season as the OC.
And we don't know if Idzik's first official duties as Jets general manager will incorporate some work at next week's Senior Bowl in Mobile, Ala., but it would be another circle closed as his father served as one of the OC's in the 1978 Senior Bowl.
■ Word is that Ryan wasn't part of the GM evaluation. However, Ryan did meet with Idzik and fellow candidate Omar Khan of the Steelers to discuss football philosophy during the interview process.
None of this necessarily tells us much about what the start of the Idzik administration will look like. But we'll get all the input we need in the coming days, weeks and months as a new, energetic, tireless executive with ties to the Jets' past sets to work on the Jets' future.
Tags: John Idzik, Matt Robinson, Rex Ryan, Richard Todd, Senior Bowl, Woody Johnson
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By IRA on Jan 18, 2013 | Reply
No shock with the hire. I wish him luck and just hope he keeps guys like Cohen and Bradway around to help with the personnel moves. Clearly Idzik is not a personnel guy and will need a good supporting cast around him.
Marty Mornhinweg is a good hire problem right now is he needs players who can make plays. Still would have gone with a football guy but it is what it is and hope they can get this right. I think 013 will be a season where Idzik will be making lots of changes to the roster and will be a year that he tries to build a team that will be whatever vision he has.
Go Jets!!!!
By dennis white on Jan 18, 2013 | Reply
a number of years ago , i taught an all around athlete in high school physical education class at unionville high school in chester county pennsylvania, john player varsity football and could also play some basketball, but most important i noticed a mature young man and a confident one in those high school years about his ability to reach goals- he will be just fine in the big apple i assure you
By Jet Fan Since '64 Tom Who's Ready for Even Taylor Swift at GM on Jan 18, 2013 | Reply
Some of you will think the Taylor Swift '64 Tom isn't the Watching the Defectives '64 Tom but I'm okay and even mildly optimistic about these hires. First of all, both of these guys are in the prime of their careers and aren't up for listening to Woody or Rex's nonsense for their next 3 yrs and ruining their resumes. On Idzik's side, he at least PLAYED FOOTBALL, something I'd like to see Mr T try to do, and comes from a football family. On MM's side, like Karan says the PHI offense has been explosive and, when on, featured EXACTLY the kind of players we need — McCoy, Jackson, Celek, etc. Plus West Coast O means, of course, that Sanchez is probably done here. I think it coulda been a lot worse and with these two guys could get a lot better.
By scjoe on Jan 18, 2013 | Reply
I like the selection. The man has played the game, coached the game, he understands the financial aspects of the game, and he has had input in personnel decisions in Seattle. He has a good track record, and is highly intelligent besides. The fact that he is labeled a "cap guy" is irrelevant. I think he will work out OK, but It will be at least a year or 2 before we can even begin to pass judgement on him.
By Jet Fan Since '64 Tom Who's Ready for Even Taylor Swift at GM on Jan 18, 2013 | Reply
Special props to Spicer on these hires, not just for his useful running commentary as they unfolded today but because he used the big word about MM's O's — and the kind of O we've needed for decades — before I used it, and that word is EXPLOSIVE!
By cgb on Jan 18, 2013 | Reply
jets hire idzik as GM a better pick-up then people will initially think. Same day jets hire OC mornhenweig., dont know why you would'nt want your new GM to have a strong say in that position? It appears woody is letting rex pick his staff at least for this year. My opinion on rex now has changed,when admitting the offensive philosophy has to change and a more open and aggresive style is needed,this is his hire? the rope extended to let rex make his own hire,might as well go around his neck.rex's offensive understanding of the new NFL is outdated, like the selection of the OC. This is mind boggling,all the teams bringing in the new wave thinking of the NFL pep hamilton,chip kelly,and the likes of them,those teams will succeed. were propably
By cgb on Jan 18, 2013 | Reply
looking at 3-5 yrs. before we are competetive.Question to MR.Johnson if you know change is needed for a team that lacks talent ,because we lack talent evaluators and suspect coaching. you cant fix half the problem and expect to succeed. In math if you complete half the equation correctly but miss on the other principle you still get the question wrong.
By Jet Fan Since '64 Tom Who's Ready for Even Taylor Swift at GM on Jan 18, 2013 | Reply
I knew I was working too hard today and paying insufficient attention to the Jets, this didn't occur to me until now: Idzik might be the only guy on Earth who can unload Sanchez on Carroll and the Seahawks in exchange for Flynn! If he does JUST THAT, he's earned his first yr's salary right there! Love your big picture talk on the other story, Allan, especially the part about Rex getting rewarded as he does a worse job. Arte always says that Rex's big problem is he's fixated on the past — the NFL past, his family's past, and now the Jets' past, both distant and recent. Woody seems to have the same problem, getting taken in by all the "2 AFC title games" (both lost) jive talk. But I think Rex's free ride is coming to an end with these hires.
By Howard on Jan 18, 2013 | Reply
have to take a wait an see on this hire. but good luck to mr. idzik, and the jets, may this please be the turn-a-round
By Karan on Jan 18, 2013 | Reply
Very glad indeed with the two new positions filled at GM and OC. Thank you Mr, Johnson, especially for hiring Marty M. This guy had developed a great offense in Philly, so definetly excited that hopefully something great can come out of it in this organization. One thing I will say though, don't be surprised if Michael Vick joins the Jets next season through a trade or any other situation. Of course this topic was going to come up, so I guess I'll mention it. John Idzik just saw a great scoring offense in Seattle lead behind a dynamic rookie QB who's also mobile like Vick. I don't think Vick is the player he used to be and Wilson seems better but he's mobile nonetheless. A team that runs the ball well and throws it deep down the field……
By Karan on Jan 18, 2013 | Reply
……..on many occasions. Thats what Idzik saw in Seattle and thats what Marty M. has done in Philly the last two years with Vick. So you never know, both Marty and John could somehow bring Vick to the Jets. I'm hope it doesn't happen because I'm not the biggest fan of Vick due to him being injured majority of the time but he is at the time an upgrade over Mark. I'm still for giving Sanchez another chance but he currently Vick is the better QB. Both guys do fumble a lot and would not co-exist on the same roster. Lets hope Marty can fix the QB and give him his confidence back while righting the ship at the same time. Besides this oversized paragraph, back to the original point, so far, happy with the two hirees.
By Jet Fan Since '64 Tom Who's Ready for Even Taylor Swift at GM on Jan 18, 2013 | Reply
Oh man, I forgot all about Idzik's father, NOW I remember where I first saw that name! What a blast from the past, a name from the old Jet programs from the Shea days that I saved for years but then lost track of. Well, anyone who had even the SLIGHTEST thing to do with the Wesley Walker era gives me cause for optimism! Back to MM, some of you FA/contract/cap guys tell me, ARE McCoy, Jackson, Celek, etc. available maybe? If I recall, Jackson re-upped last yr but the Eagles had such a bad yr, including on O, and everything is so in flux there maybe some of these guys will bolt. Some of you may remember me saying in early 2012 we needed to go after L or V Jackson to be serious at WR. Well, we didn't and we weren't but maybe now we can be.
By Dan H on Jan 18, 2013 | Reply
Hey Eric
Two solid hires today. Feels good to be a Jets fan again.
I can't understand how any Jets fan could denigrate these hires. it's nice to feel good about the team after weeks and months of negative news and gossip.
The Jets made some sorry decisions this past season with most on the offensive side of the ball both within the lines and outside. Coupled with the injuries to key players and the poor execution to finish 6-10 is a tribute to Rex.
Let's have a good draft, FA and a renewed enthusiasm to winning.
Go Jets
By since shea on Jan 18, 2013 | Reply
Ira, how could you call Francesa today and suck up to him about how bad of a hire Idzik is??? Maybe he is a disappointing choice but there you are telling Francesa how poor Mr T should have stayed if we were going to hire another cap guy. T bomb left us in a mess!! Did you forget? We have zero talent at many positions and are hopelessly broke in terms of having enough resources to build a contender. And you suck up to him?? Wow. For a guy who always tries to put a positive spin on things, I cant believe how you came across. Sorry to call you out like this man but please dont fuel Francesa like that any more.
By since shea on Jan 18, 2013 | Reply
I am not sure about this Idzik hire any more than most of you. Yes we need someone who can navigate the financial mess we are in but we need to find talent for a change and not think we struck gold by grabbing the likes of Kyle Wilson and Steven Hill and Ducasse and… you get the picture. Maybe he brings talent finders with him. He better not waste what little money we have under the cap to bring in the unproven QB wonder of a backup in Seattle. That wonder boy is no better than what we have. If Rex is really in control of Woody, then I got it all wrong and we are in for more embarrassing times. Lets see what happens.
By Karan on Jan 18, 2013 | Reply
Even though I do approve of the new OC, I understand at the same time that he's a very pass-oreinted playcaller. MS is however not that kind of QB. Well, he adjusted to Vick so lets see what happens. I hope it works out for the best.
By kleckofan on Jan 18, 2013 | Reply
Thanks for being upfront about Idzik's duties in Seattle. As I said at the end of the last thread, I am worried that he is rich in numbers skills and thin on the evaluation side, but who knows? At this point hope springs…at least until I think about the QB situation.
By ELI RODRIGUEZ on Jan 19, 2013 | Reply
Not one of my top 10 pick– But if he's crazy enough to take this job, GOOD LUCK—-IZZY!—AT #9 THE JETS SELECT—-RB—-EDDIE LACY–ALABAMA!
By Rickie New York on Jan 19, 2013 | Reply
I will be the first person here to WELCOME Mr. Idzik to the Jets. I can't wait to see the improvements he makes and what kind of draft and FA period we have. I know the team has ALOT of free agents although there are honestly very few I would want back – the very top of that list is without question DUSTIN KELLER. With a better QB like a brees, manning, rodgers or even a stafford – Keller could easily be top 3 or 4 in the league Not only is he a VERY good TE its even more impressive that he led the team in receptions back to back seasons. Another thing the offense has lacked is continuity which is another reason we HAVE to get him back! Also we should retain devito (dont need him ending up in foxboro).
By Rickie New York on Jan 19, 2013 | Reply
ANYONE watch the last MNF game this yr? I hope Mr Idzik and Mr Thurman did. On a double move J Jones ran a go route and the safety not only stayed with him after the move but all the way to the endzone and denied the TD vs one of the nfls best wrs – we NEED a FS that can COVER like that and hit hard – that is why WITHOUT QUESTION our very top priority in free agency should be FS L Delmas from Det – every bit more important with the TEs and WRs in our division. I'm sure Rex will remember Delmas for the fumble he recovered vs the Jets the first time Rex played the Lions as our coach – time to take a page from the N.E. book – when a player burns you and you see how good he is you GRAB HIM if you get the chance. NO OTHER PLAYER is needed as bad
By Rickie New York on Jan 19, 2013 | Reply
With Delmas, Revis ,Cro and Bell Thurmans thieves would be unstopable and we could easily have the best secondary in the league (W/ Delmas a Jet – by a large margin). Other players that would be great additions and are DESPERATELY needed (not personally but position-wise)… TE Jared Cook ( F Davis & Finley as fallback options if Cook escapes us) to run some 2 TE sets. Why you say – easy: IF we end up with Sanchez again he likes throwing to the TEs, thats why Keller normally leads jets in catchs – besides 2 TEs seems to work well for our div rivals. Besides you can pay 2 TEs top $ alot easier than 2 WR and our rec corps besides Kerley couldnt catch a cold. Keep Braylon if for no other reason than his work ethic & practice habits that could
By Rickie New York on Jan 19, 2013 | Reply
really help our young guys develop and be a good example. I apologize for the long posts – I was trying to keep it at 3. The only other player I see at the moment worth the time is OLB P Kruger from Balt being that our current OLBs couldnt get a sack in a potatoe factory. Rexs blitzing def just doesnt work as well without a REAL pass rush. W/ our great secondary making QBs hold the ball still nobody gets to the passer – its plain SAD. Those 3 FAs (keller makes 4) then draft J Jones or B Mingo for OLB in the first, Monte Ball in 2nd and if he is still there Clowney in the 3rd (be nice to have another clowney, put him at olb too), then a RT in FA or late in draft – itd be hard to get worse than we already are. Make these moves & we DOMINATE!!
By Charliejet on Jan 19, 2013 | Reply
Never know how things will turn out with Idzik. Take 2-3 years to see what happens. I hope Morhinweg does NOT bring Vick with him.
By Jersey Rich on Jan 19, 2013 | Reply
Welcome aboard to our new GM & OC. Looking forward to a big improvement in the not too distant future!
By Tom Spicer on Jan 19, 2013 | Reply
I think today is a great day in Jetsville. I am very happy with both hires I thought they were going to hire Cohen. I have nothing against the Cohen & know nothing about him. I just dont want Woody & Rex hiring there own personell yes man. I wanted a outside voice coming in. Idzik looks like a good candidate.
By GaryC on Jan 19, 2013 | Reply
Now that Mornhinweg is here,I hope his coattails aren't too long so Vick isn't along for the ride.
By GaryC on Jan 19, 2013 | Reply
the one thing I like about Mornhinweg,at least he uses the tightend down the field,Celek has had a number of good years with the Eagles.
By Frank on Jan 19, 2013 | Reply
This whole process including keeping Ryan and now hiring a non-personell GM comes smack right out of the Leon Hess days it is trully astonishing. Hopefully this is a two step process where they will hire a top flight personell guy otherwise this is doomed to failure again. Anyone who pays attention to the team knows Ryan doesn't have a clue on personell and the roster has eroded drastically with his input.
By Ronbo19 on Jan 19, 2013 | Reply
Well this comes as no surprise as none of the final 3 candidates really excited anyone here on Randy's Radar. The question now becomes;does Idzik have someone lined up as a personell guy? In view of his history one has to be at least skeptical about his qualifications as a talent evaluator.The next few months leading up to and including the draft will answere alot of questions as to what the thought process was concering this hire. In addition, a lot more immediate questions are sure to come up between now and Thursdays press conference.Of perhaps even more immediate importance is; are they really hireing marty Morningway as our next O.C? what happaned to a bringing in a innovator at that posisition?
By Ronbo19 on Jan 19, 2013 | Reply
IRA, As much as I originally did not want Cohen to get the G.M gig as I felt he would be seen as Tannenbaum -lite, I must say I did come to see him as a preferable candidate as if Rex bombs out this year like most of us expect, it would easy to just dump the lot of them in one fall swoop. I am going on record here as saying I am hopefull we can trade down to pick up extra picks as there are an awful lot of holes to fill on this roster. As we have big time cap issues I dont see us being active in free-agency so the draft will be hugh for us. CHICAGO BOB & GARY C, as we seem to be the 3 guys most into in the draft will be fun to exchange ideas over the coming months. There are 2 college all-star games on today;3pm espn & 6p.m on NFL net.
By steven on Jan 19, 2013 | Reply
Get pass rushers who put fear into QB's and get 6'7 receivers who are fast and know how to get open. You are gonna need them
By MIKE on Jan 19, 2013 | Reply
With west coast offence back in NY, look for the Jets look for Jets to get a pass receiving RB (Westbrook McCoy) in the 2nd or 3rd round and Greene out the door.
By nick on Jan 19, 2013 | Reply
Clearly a blind sided choice! And, from reading his bio it looks like he hasn't had a stellar winning record and I am inclined to believe he is an office guy rather than an on the field general, lieutenant or asst.
If that holds true then Ryan will remain free to stumble another year before Woody (or his executive recruiting advisors) do what they should have done and put Ryan out to pasture and end the fans' .miseries.
By Jet Fan Since '64 Tom Who's Ready for Even Taylor Swift at GM on Jan 19, 2013 | Reply
Here's a staggering, sobering, but ultimately encouraging thought: An anonymous GM was quoted on the NFL site, I think it was, as saying that the Jets need 11 NEW STARTERS! Presumably he meant QB, RB, WR, TE, LG, RT, 2 LBs, and both S, and you could make that 12 if you think it's time to get younger at Moore's spot. Around here, we're used to Mr T telling us Caleb Schlaudereff is the next Gene Upshaw and Rex telling us how "close" we are." But if this is the kind of assessment that Woody was routinely given over 3 wks of ints with GM candidates, we might actually see some improvement next yr. It starts at QB with a new approach on O and the commitment to see those changes and not Rex as key. That last part is what worries me, of course…
By Tom Spicer on Jan 19, 2013 | Reply
Myers, Cimini, Schein & Francessa. I cant stand any of them all they ever do is talk negatively about the Jets.
By Tom Spicer on Jan 19, 2013 | Reply
Tom 64, I know you have to love this Mornhinweg hire this guy throws on 1st, 2nd, 3rd & 4th down. The 1 knock on him is he may be to pass happy. We will 100% have a aggresive throw the ball down the field O. We will be getting Holmes back from injury & with the expected cuts should have the money to sign back Keller & Braylon. Between Holmes, Braylon, Keller, Kerley & even Hill (if he learns how to catch). With the same O line we have the blocking, pass catchers & coaching in place to have a explosive O. The only thing our 2 biggest problems Sanchez & Greene our bad fits for his west coast O. I am reading you need a real accurate QB something Sanchez is not & a fast, good pass catching & pass blocking back something Greene is not.
By russ on Jan 19, 2013 | Reply
As the New GEN MGR, I will rebuild my ineffective Offensive Line by picking the best RT in the draft and the best Power guard. That will move exsting RT Austin(?) to fill Moores vacancy and replace Slausen with a power guard to complete the OL. Next picks will be to replace Linebackers Pace and Scott with more speed to protect the edges and plug holes stopping opponents 7 yard gains on first down. Since Jets cannot afford Revis and winning a division title is as close as building a brdige to London, will secure more picks to this years drat or for 2014 to get more personell for team offense and defense position players…
By Chicago Bob on Jan 19, 2013 | Reply
Many people are criticizing this pick claiming the Jets needed more of a "personnel" guy, which is true however the main reason they are in trouble is due to Mike T's inability to be realistic in contract negotiations and as a result, we are in salary cap hell. I don't think Idzik is that stupid to try and do everything, chances are he will bring in someone with a good background to oversee the scouting and drafting duties. Mike T tried to be something he wasn't – both a football and numbers guy. I (hopefully) don't think this man is going to make that same mistake. With that said and done. go get Mike Tice for your OL – Bears made a huge mistake by not bringing him back, he is one of the best in the business.
By Tom Spicer on Jan 19, 2013 | Reply
Th new OC I am going to call him AIR MARTY cause I just cant keep writing Mornhinweg all day. But he a O coach for the 49ers under Steve Young. The QB coach for the Packers under Brett Favre. The OC for the Eagles when McNabb & Vick had there best years. AIR MARTY is known as a QB GURU!
By Tom Spicer on Jan 19, 2013 | Reply
If we resign our free agents. Landry, Bell, Devito, Moore, Slauson, Keller & Braylon. Along with getting Revis & Holmes back from injury. With what I think is going to be a good GM & a aggressive OC who is in touch with the way the game is played today (pass first). I really think we are a QB & a RB away from competing for a Super Bowl!
By scjoe on Jan 19, 2013 | Reply
All things considered, with the salary cap being atop that list, the best case scenario would be for a top QB draft pick to emerge as the starter in 2013. Recent history has taught us it is no longer a pipe dream for that to happen. With the cap being what it is, and the money they have tied up in Sanchez, the only other options are starting McElroy, or signing a 2nd or 3rd tier UFA. Some have mentioned Flynn or Smith, but that doesn't seem likely financially. The only other logical option may be Matt Moore, IF he comes at a b/u price and IF there is not a mad rush for his services with other teams looking at him as their starter. At the very least, that would drive up his salary. Thank you Mike Tannenbaum!
By Jet Fan Since '64 Tom Who's Ready for Even Taylor Swift at GM on Jan 19, 2013 | Reply
From Cimini's great piece on the MM hire: "1. Thumb's up: I like this move. MM is an upgrade over Tony Sparano and he was the best option out of the 5 candidates interviewed by Rex. Unlike TS, he has considerable experience as a play-caller and he sees the O through the eyes of the QB. In TS's scheme, the QB was just one of the 11. 2. West meets East: Ground & Pound is dead. Rex talked about it at the end of the season, shifting the approach on O, and he followed through. MM will run a West Coast offense a la the Eagles. He'll use the pass to set up the run, a dramatic departure in these parts. He's not afraid to fill the air with footballs. Nick Foles, a rookie, averaged 39 pass attempts over PHI's' final 6 games." IT'S ABOUT TIME, REX!
By scjoe on Jan 19, 2013 | Reply
Just to follow up on that last post, there is another option, one that me, along with many other Jet fans would just dread, and that would be that the powers that be, no matter in what order, decide that a new OC would miraculously turn Sanchez in to a capable starter and waste still another year. I pray that that is not an option, then again, these ARE the NY Jets! There are many 2nd and 3rd round options at the QB position in this years draft, lets just hope that this star crossed franchise sees a reversal in the miserable luck they have endured over the past 40 or so years and it all culminates in to a home run in the 3rd round of the draft and we find our own Russell Wilson, Dalton, Luck, or Kaepernick.
By Row on Jan 19, 2013 | Reply
I really hope this guy cleans house, I would love to see us trade down for three pics in the top 50. I think a first round RB is a must as well as a LB. Alex Smith could be our guy. If we re-sign Braylon, we're set at WR. Lots of free agent o line out there, just need a pulling tackle. Remember, despite Sanchez, the Jets still won 6 should have been 8 or 9. (Texans, NE, Bills) Gotta cut Sanchez, send a message. Go Jets!
By Frank on Jan 19, 2013 | Reply
Ok after digesting this a bit I think the following. Bringing in Idzik and hiring Marty who is a west coast offense guru they must be bringing in Flynn and believe they can unload Jamarcus Sanchez on the Seahawks obviously with us eating some of his salary. Roughly speaking Flynn was guaranteed 20 mil and 10 mil was already paid meaning he will have a cap friendly number the next 2 years. As for Vick there is zero chance they bring him here and I have zero interest in that Vick is finished.
I would be extremely happy if this works out the way I think.
I really hope that Woody already told Rex he will not have final say in personell and that Idzik is going to get a real personnell guy to help
By scjoe on Jan 19, 2013 | Reply
Spicer, I agree with a couple of those FAs you mentioned above, Edwards, Landry, and Moore. I think the others are replaceable. I think a lot is going to depend on how Idzik deals with the cap issues, namely Sanchez and Holmes. I am not even sure if restructuring either of their deals would equate to cap relief for 2013. Randy?
By scjoe on Jan 19, 2013 | Reply
From what I have seen, heard, and read, the Jets get NO compensatory picks in the 2013 draft. The Baltimore Ravens on the other hand get 5 or 6.
By Jet Fan Since '64 Tom Who's Ready for Even Taylor Swift at GM on Jan 19, 2013 | Reply
I'm with ya on MM, Spice, last wk I overreacted to the possibility that he brings Vick with him but now that I see Vick is owed $12.5 mil for next yr, there's no way we do that. Sanchez, picks, and players to SEA for Flynn, picks, and players is a lot more likely. Karan, I hate to break it to you, but Sanchez is not the future on this team, especially in the WC O that requires speed of decision-making and high accuracy in throwing, neither of which MS remotely has. In fact, Jet fans, Rex isn't the future either, Idzik is. You don't hire a guy who's 52 with that kind of varied resume to tie him down with the wrong HC for 5 yrs. If Rex doesn't get with the whole new program next fall, he'll be gone and Idzik will rebuild his way.
By IRA on Jan 19, 2013 | Reply
Wonder what Idzik thought of Edwards? I would love to see him back and he can rotate with Hill who still needs a lot of work plus with the cap situation Edwards would fit in with the cap for sure,
I see that Thurman is still not listed as the DC. Did they give him that job yet?
By Randy Lange on Jan 19, 2013 | Reply
Ira, as of today the Jets haven't made any announcement regarding defensive coordinator.
By IRA on Jan 19, 2013 | Reply
You are underestimating Cohen he is a good football personnel guy and knows his stuff and I hope Idzik keeps him on the staff.
By Stevesc on Jan 19, 2013 | Reply
Welcome John Idzik and Marty Mornhinweg to the Jets organization. As some have said, time will tell if these moves will work out… Gary C and Charliejet, I'm in total agreement about not bringing in Vick. Bringing in a player on the downside of his career, who happens to be injury prone, would show that the Jets have not changed their philosophy on building a team for the future. How long does anyone think Vick is going to last? Bringing him in would only hinder the Jets from finding their qb of the future. Russ, you're right on about the O line. I've said it before, that is where it all starts. Without a solid O line that can pass protect and run block, the qb, wr's and rb's will not be successful.
By Another Tom on Jan 19, 2013 | Reply
Congratulations John and Good Luck..Please dump $anchez and Holme$…trade down (and out ? ) in the first round and accumulate picks.. and then let Marty Draft the best available west coast style QB in the second/third round ..! BTW..is Marty our next head coach??
By joeydefiant on Jan 19, 2013 | Reply
Bunch of cry babies. The Jets have the worst luck. The Jets are cursed. It's so hard being a Jets fan. wahhh wahhh wahhh. Stop.
Reality is since the year 2000 The Jets have had 12 post season games. The Jets postseason drought is two years. Here is a list of teams with longer post-season droughts: Bills 13 yrs, Raiders 10, Browns 10, Rams 8, Jaguars 5, Bucs 5, Titans, Panthers, Dolphins 4, Chargers Cardinals Cowboys 3.
The bengals have not had a playoff win in 22 years, lions 21 yrs, chiefs 19, bills 17, browns 15, dolphins 12, raiders and bucs 10 yrs. Been two years for The Jets in both cases. Stop crying.
By GaryC on Jan 19, 2013 | Reply
ronbo19,there is one problem I see about the jets moving out of the 9 position as a possible trade down,teams might not want to move up with the lack of talent in this draft and what you would have to pay them,teams like the rams might just want to sit and see what player falls to them.
By Ronbo19 on Jan 19, 2013 | Reply
S.C.Joe, your post above concerning the cap & hopeing to get lucky in the draft is spot on 100%. I agree & can only hope the new powers that be feel the same way. In an earlier post you also mentioned giving the new guys some slack and reserving judgement. Another great point. One exception to that would be Idzik trading draft picks for temporary fixes.That is not something I could be patient with.
SPICER, cool down bro, you are walking so far out on a limb with the "air Marty' stuff I'm not sure anybody's gonna be able to reel you in if it flops? As for Dustin Keller returning I think your gonna be disappointed on that one. An injury prone 6-1 T.E. is not a good fit in a west coast offence that usually features tall sure handed recievers-
By Ronbo19 on Jan 19, 2013 | Reply
cont.- that run crisp precise routes. Do any of those qualities sound like Keller?Now, I do think Braylon is a good fit & if Hill can learn how to actually catch the ball he is also a good fit.There are several good T.E free agents plus 4 or 5 guys from the draft that might be good fits as well. On the other hand, as much as I admire your enthusiam,I'm not sure there is any scenario where we are only a good Q.B away from a superbowl? TOM64, I read the Cimini piece and thought it was spot on too! There are too many people jumping on the new band wagon here. As S.C.Joe says, we need to reserve judgement! That applies to negative & positive as well.
By AK_Jet on Jan 19, 2013 | Reply
I Love the Hirings!….We will be a powerhouse with a Rex Ryan D and anything that resembles a scoring O. I'm sure Idzik has to be focusing on helping Marty out with the personnel on the offensive side of the ball because Rex can put a competitive D on the field with a D-2 football talent.
Now all the Rex bashers will appreciate the talent HE is once the Front Office and Offense start pulling the rope in the same direction instead of using it to trip up the rest of the team!
By Mike Jet Vet on Jan 19, 2013 | Reply
Let me try on this page,.. HELLO!! MARTY MORNHINWEG was the Jets OC back the day been there done that , We all have expressed our concerns about the insanity theory, you know>> doing the same thing over and over and expecting different result … these 2 teams you guys associate him with had much better players who execute offensive schemes.. That said, I will gladly take him over TS sure wish Callahan would return as well
By Sarasota Sam on Jan 19, 2013 | Reply
If this new GM makes an offensive lineman # 1. I will have his back.
By Jack on Jan 19, 2013 | Reply
Don't remember Mornhinweg ever been the OC, for the NY Jets can you post back on here went was and what year he was the OC, for the Jets??
By punchie on Jan 19, 2013 | Reply
I would like to see us declare next season a writeoff and trade our first four draft picks away. That way we can have the new GM`s team scout propperly over the whole season and have two picks in the first four rounds of the twenty fourteen draft and be able to cut the cash cows from our team and create cap room for eight picks or more in the first four rounds. i say this as our drafting seems to be more miss than hit
By MPC on Jan 19, 2013 | Reply
I hope he comes in and cleans house! I don't know what you people are talking about we have good football people and scouts! Come on man! Have you seen the last drafts! Half of then don;t even make the team! Clean house! Next move Rex goes!!! And bring some dignity and class back to this team!
Bring back Curtis and Klecko and Cherbet type players!!!!!
The fans have had enough of the circus act!!!!!
I just hope this new OC doesn't convince them to bring in Vick! Enough with wasting money on FA.s it starts with good quality draft picks!
We did it before Rex, with Mangold, revis, Brick, Harris its time for the next big 4!!
By punchie on Jan 19, 2013 | Reply
"SINCE SHAE" I don`t think you are really watching the players you are bagging out as VLAD DUCASSE is the only player upfront who does not get blown up at the snap of the ball the guy has serious skills which you will see with release / relgation of brandon moore i was a fan of matty slauson but this year he and mangold and moore were treated like ragg dolls i mean brandon had a sack on his stats list this year. DUCASSE AND ELLIS ARE BEASTS. So go back watch the tape and get back to me !
By Tom Spicer on Jan 19, 2013 | Reply
Randy, Can you clear something up for Mike Jet Vet please has Marty Mornhinweg ever been the OC for the Jets?
By Randy Lange on Jan 19, 2013 | Reply
Tom, Marty Mornhinweg has never coached for the Jets before accepting the OC post this week. His previous pro stops were with Green Bay (1995-96), San Francisco (1997-2000 as OC/QBs coach), Detroit ('01-02 as HC), and Philadelphia ('03-12, OC since '06).
By IRA on Jan 19, 2013 | Reply
I think it will be very hard to resign Landry. I want to try and keep him but his price just may be too high for them. It will take about 6 mill for 4 years with about 10 to 12 guaranteed. I hope Idzik can work this into the budget somehow.
They never should have let Callahan leave and he should have been the OC this past year and just maybe they would have had better success. But I am very happy with the Marty signing and think if they give him the right players he will be just what they need. The Jets have not been a pass first team to set up the run in a very long time. Now they must figure out what they will do at QB.
By Tom Spicer on Jan 19, 2013 | Reply
Ronbo19, What OC that was out there besides Norv Turner has a better track record than Marty? I rest my case.
By scjoe on Jan 19, 2013 | Reply
Ron, I love that trade down with the Rams for their two #1s, but if it don't happen, here is another option that could work, the Bengals have the #21 in round 1 and the # 3 from the Raiders in rd #2. That would work well. That could translate to OLB and RB or OL Then, with our own 2&3 QB, OL/RB. What do you think?
By oasus on Jan 19, 2013 | Reply
Ira….did you completely skip over where it said Idzik has had his hand in player personnel? Where do you come off spouting the nonsense that Idzik is just a cap guy? Come on, dude. There are PLENTY of articles out there that will tell you that is anything but the case! And as for Mornhinweg (who's name I will probably misspell all season), he's had an average top 10 unit his entire OC career. I, for one, welcome him, and the fact that he was hired after Idzik says to me that Idzik had to be the one to sign off on this. Let's have a good 2013 eh? GO JETS!
By Rickie New York on Jan 20, 2013 | Reply
SC Joe – I agree with most of those FAs – but Landry will NOT be back, he is looking to break the bank after his prrobowl year and has said so. That is why I said L Delmas should be our #1 FA target. Devito, Moore, Edwards and Keller but let the rest walk and cut Pace too. Our 1st rounder HAS to go on an OLB that can pass rush. I'd do anything to land Jarvis Jones – he'd be great with Harris and Davis. Monte Ball in the 2nd and if he's still there Clowney in the 3rd. There are RT prospects we can get in FA ( G Cherilus from Det for one). Resign Bell for sure and maybe bring in P Chung for depth or to rotate. I'm excited about this year and look forward to seeing what they do. If Keller leaves Jared Cook would be a perfect replacement.
By Jet Fan Since '64 Tom Who's Ready for Even Taylor Swift at GM on Jan 20, 2013 | Reply
Another Tom, I had the same thought about MM as HC but it's tricky because it's hard to see Rex doing a worse job with a good MM-led O. Then again, Rex has surprised me with his complete ineptitude before, so if he keeps going down that idiotic "I made the decision to go with Mark and I feel great about the decision" road and it's clear that MM preferred someone else, maybe that 's what gets Rex fired after another bad yr and MM takes over. More optimistically, it would be crazy for Rex not to go along with just about anything MM says because (1) After last yr's O, there's nowhere to go but up, and (2) Everybody knows Rex has no better ideas on O. The very idea of Rex trying to overrule MM based on anything other than bombast is absurd.
By Jet Fan Since '64 Tom Getting Better All the Time on Jan 20, 2013 | Reply
"I used to be mad at my team/A decent QB was my dream…" I won't scold anyone for being skeptical about Idzik and MM given Woody, Rex, and our weak roster. But I don't think a guy with a resume so three-dimensionally impressive woulda taken this job if he thought he was just gonna be putting up with the mess we have. Sure he'll have trouble with the cap and sure it'll be tough to get that many starters out of 1 draft. But it looks like Rex has gotten the message and I agree with those who say MM's WC O probably signals that Sanchez goes to the bench and then off the team. I know Flynn hasn't shown much yet but MS has shown FAR TOO MUCH of what we don't need! Until Flynn starts butt-fumbling I'll give him a shot if he doesn't cost too much.
By SCfromNY on Jan 20, 2013 | Reply
Interesting comments but I have a few issues. #1 being players. Many have said we just need a QB & RB. That won't help without a PASS RUSHING OLB and retaining Landry or another quality FS. We can sit here all day and list what we need but we are not the Yankees who have unlimited $$$. I also think we need to stop the love for Fylnn. 1 great game kinda the same thing as when kolb was the new "it guy" Where did all the love for McElroy go? 1 badgame after taking snaps for 1 week.. We will not be able to play west coast footbal with our current WRs and Sanchez. No more than we could run the read option with Sanchez. No matter what Ryan's ability to find and motivate talent is suspect.
By IRA on Jan 20, 2013 | Reply
Sure looks like a lot of talk about Flynn to the Jets. I would hate to give up any draft picks for him they need as many as they can get. Flynn is unproven with only one game in his books. Good debate to go with Moore or someone else as a free agent or trade a pick or player for Flynn. Sounds like Idzik will have final say on personnel moves and that's the way it should be. Want to see how he and Rex work together this year.
By Mike Jet Vet on Jan 20, 2013 | Reply
Newsflash, I'm in favor of picking MM even though he already had a stint in NY, I already hear people calling him air MM, west coast offense, etc. which is all fine and well by me.. BUT, take heed my fellow Jet Guys and gals.. in my opinion a MM offense needs and works best with a scrabbling QB able to read defenses well quick of foot and mind to escape pressure.. Just saying
By scjoe on Jan 20, 2013 | Reply
R.I.P Stan The Man, GaryC, now there's an old timer I do respect. Arguably the best 1st baseman ever! In overall talent I put him right up there with Ted Williams, Hank Aaron, Joe D, Mantle, Gherig, etc. Just below Willie Mays who of course was THEE best ever to play the game.
By scjoe on Jan 20, 2013 | Reply
In regards to the 2013 draft, bottom line, no matter in what order, the first 4 picks have to be OLB, QB, RB, OL! Preferably the OLB coming in round 1. Although QB is their biggest need there is none worthy of #9 in the 1st round, thus, OLB, their 2nd biggest need at that spot. A trade down would be ideal, but the only two partners I can see are the Rams with 2 #1s, or the Bengals with a #1 and a high 2nd rounder from Oakland. Git er done Mr Idzik!
By scjoe on Jan 20, 2013 | Reply
All things considered, the only thing that would take some of the sting out of this 2012 season would be a Baltimore win over NE later tonight. Do I think that will happen?? NO! But like they say, "that's why they play the game" We always talk about QB play here, and for this NE Balt game I think that is exactly what it will come down to, IF Flacco can come up with an outstanding game they can win, if not, they have no chance, they will not beat NE by running the ball. Would love a Harbaugh vs Harbaugh SB. Would hate to see a NE vs Atlanta SB. That would be a classic mis match!
By scjoe on Jan 20, 2013 | Reply
64, spot on about Flynn, we only saw 2 full games from him, but that is enough to see it is an upgrade over MS, but I see no way he is in a Jet uni next year as long as Sanchez is still on the roster. The only thing that may work is a Flynn-Sanchez trade with the Jets picking up half of his salary. Even that may require a mid to low round pick in addition. Still say, best bet, high round QB OR Matt Moore for the starting job. Don't know quite what to make of McElroy's one start last season, but that may also be an option, short term.
By IRA on Jan 20, 2013 | Reply
All reports say he has not made one draft pick, picked up a player in a trade or even free agency. He does however have a football background and I give him a lot of credit for wanting to learn personnel but from everything I hear and read he is not ready to pick players as of now. He will need a right hand man to feed him info and then he will make the final call. I think right now he has his hands full on fixing the cap and making two tough calls on Sanchez and Revis.
By Karan on Jan 20, 2013 | Reply
Man, a Harbaugh Bowl would be awesome to watch as the Super Bowl. Hope it happens. Gotta give it to Jim Harbaugh, one heck of a coach, one heck of football team, amazing amount of talent on that roster. Thats what I'm hoping for our Jets to fulfill under the new GM.
By GaryC on Jan 20, 2013 | Reply
Scjoe,you are right about Stan the Man,a superstar that was elite no matter what decade and a gentleman which we see so few today.
By GaryC on Jan 20, 2013 | Reply
I just saw a team that has more trouble covering tightends then the jets and that is the Falcons,two weeks in a row
By GaryC on Jan 20, 2013 | Reply
they had on Espn that the jets are looking in to Tavaris Jackson,we are looking for someone better then Sanchez,not worse,let's find out where Tim Couch is.
By GaryC on Jan 20, 2013 | Reply
Jet fans,theres hope,just a few short years ago the niners were in disarray with Singletary as their coach,look at them now.
By Tom Spicer on Jan 20, 2013 | Reply
To all the people bad mouthing Marty in 5 of his 7 years as the OC for the Eagles they were in the top 10. In all 7 years as the Eagles OC they Never finished worse than 15th. The guy has sent 5 different QBS to the Pro Bowl. Also to the guys with the well he had Steve Young, Brett Favre & Donavan McNabb. Well when Jeff Garica & Mike Vick were considered washed up & nothing but back ups he coached them up to pro bowls & carerr years. A MVP caliber season in Vicks case. Now I am not saying I want Vick but if this guy cant turn our O around nobody can.
By Tom Spicer on Jan 20, 2013 | Reply
49ers in Super Bowl Kaepernick has 10 career starts. He threw for a high school like 230 yards today. The 49ers are CLEARLY a running & defense based team. Again you can 100% win with a non ELITE QB
By Mike Jet Vet on Jan 20, 2013 | Reply
Spicer or Randy, I know I'm getting old did you have to remind me, OK The Marty I know and was thinking of coached for the Jets than Moved on to Tennessee Titans, can either of you clear up for me who it was Thanks
By Randy Lange on Jan 20, 2013 | Reply
Mike, are you thinking of Mike Heimerdinger?
By kw65fan on Jan 20, 2013 | Reply
Watching Raven-Pats game and rooting like crazy for Ravens….looking good so far. But watching the game the safety Pollard of the Ravens…hitting like a beast. so wanting us keeping Landry. Soo so much in comparison. We need a big hitter in the secondary. if anybody of out FA's…have to resign Landry. need to be a force. As Rex says, D has to be flying around and hitting. KEEP Landry.
By Tom Spicer on Jan 20, 2013 | Reply
TOM 64, Did you watch the games? Did you see the 2 winning game manager QBS throw for 240 yards in there games? Both on running & defensive based teams? LOL
By GaryC on Jan 20, 2013 | Reply
scjoe,like I said on the Parcells blog,it is a HARBAUGH DRIVEN LEAGUE.
By Tom Spicer on Jan 20, 2013 | Reply
SCJoe, In order to cover you hide over the last few weeks you were saying how now ALL OF A SUDDEN that you needed a "quality" QB instead of a ELITE 1 when for the last year & a half you were on the ELITE band wagon. Well I am going to say to you the same thing you said to me after the last Jet game of the 2011 season. I TOLD YOU SO & YOU WERE WRONG!
By Tom Spicer on Jan 20, 2013 | Reply
Football is not basketball where 1 person hogs the ball all day & can dominate a game. Football is not like baseball where a great pitcher can dominate a game & not let anyone get a hit. Football is a TEAM sport ALL 53 guys count. JOE CAPS, SCJOE & TOM 64 100% WRONG!
By Jet Fan Since '64 Tom Ready for The Next Phase on Jan 20, 2013 | Reply
I'm not that into the post-season when we're not in it, especially after these hires. And the SF-ATL game didn't surprise me because ATL disappeared 2 games in a row and only got away with it once. But BB's play-calling in that game DID surprise me — he played like they had Flacco and BAL had Brady! What was all that dump-over-the-middle stuff for 3 qtrs, like they were afraid Brady was gonna throw 2 pick 6's? And then of course, having not put nearly enough pts on the board in the 1st half, it was harder for them to throw when BAL had a 3-score lead with 11 min's to go. Really a head-scratcher — if NE doesn't think it can win a shootout with BAL, they definitely don't deserve to be in the SB! I give BAL a slight edge over SF.
By scjoe on Jan 20, 2013 | Reply
YESSSSSSSSSSSSSSS!!!!!!!! A Super Bowl without the New England Patriots OR the NY Giants!!! How sweet is that?? In a funny sort of way it kinda makes the whole season a success. I got a very nice feeling that next year will be no cake walk for the Pasties either.
By Karan on Jan 20, 2013 | Reply
Check out Terrell Suggs post game comments. So funny and true.
By kleckofan on Jan 21, 2013 | Reply
It seems to me that McElroy would be a good fit for the West Coast O; he's athletic, smart and accurate. The knock on him has always been the lack of a cannon (see Joe Montana). By all means pursue all aveneues and get rid of Sanchez any way we can. I say we pick a project QB in the later rounds and stockpile as many picks as possible. I would like to see us pick an OLB (there will be a good one if we stay at #9). For all the issues we have had we still have not gotten a legit pass rusher,
By Jet Fan Since '64 Tom Ready for The Next Phase on Jan 21, 2013 | Reply
Ira, scjoe, and others, it's like in talking about the QB position we're all talking around the big question: Are we really rebuilding starting NOW, starting in 2014, or when? Before the MM hire, I woulda said, well, Rex refuses to admit we're rebuilding at all, he'll tell us that with Holmes and Revis back and a new starter or 2, "we're close." But it's very hard to believe that MM or Lee or anyone else is gonna turn Sanchez into a great WCO QB. So that means…what? Flyyn? A less promising pickup like Campbell or Orton? A #3 pick who challenges MS and McElroy but who, less experienced than either, makes more mistakes than both? This is why for all this talk of elite, non-elite, etc. it all starts with: Who is your QB and how good is he?
By Jet Fan Since '64 Tom Ready for The Next Phase on Jan 21, 2013 | Reply
Ya tellin' me we're not just treading water till the real, post-Rex makeover? Ya tellin' me we're goin' anywhere before we commit to a first-class, long-term option at QB? Okay, then, dig this from Ciming: "Jets GM Idzik could pursue former SEA QB Tarvaris Jackson, league sources told ESPN. While in SEA, Idzik was a supporter of Jackson, who spent this past season as a backup with BUF and would fit into the Jets' price range." 2 good posts on this story: "Anyone interested in Jackson is also interested in unemployment." "Jackson is not a good QB, albeit a much better one than Sanchez…" Yeah, 4-12 with MS, TJ, and Mac fighting it out, then Idzik fires Rex and gets down to the real work. S'cool, I've waited this long for the real changes…
By Charliejet on Jan 21, 2013 | Reply
Mat Moore over Flynn. Knows the division more than Flynn does. Moore would be a good "stop-gap" QB until we get that MESS straightened out and see what 2014 has to offer via the draft.
By Charliejet on Jan 21, 2013 | Reply
If Sanchez had a clue, volunteer to restructure your contract with the attitude "use that money to get me some players on offense" I'll get you wins. Make it an incentive contract. Sanchez must surely know he is not worth at least HALF of what he is getting (and that is conservative). 16 college games and we draft this kid…only the Jets.
By Karan on Jan 21, 2013 | Reply
And that go the overrated and arrogant Patriots as Suggs said. Great seeing that.
By Karan on Jan 21, 2013 | Reply
I don't like NE but I will give them credit that year after year, they always find themselves on the brink of deep postseason. Thats consistency and even I can repect that about them. The Jets have a lot of work to do to get to that position, a LOT of work. Nice seeing Ray Lewis make the big one once again for his last game.
By Karan on Jan 21, 2013 | Reply
No elite QBs this year in the Super Bowl. Both QBs are playing very good though. Flacco is playing like a top-tier QB currently and Colin has been phenomol for his team. Brother vs brother, this should be a great match. Are there any more Harbaugh brothers out there? They sure turn out to be great great head coaches.
By Karan on Jan 21, 2013 | Reply
Ehhh, I meant to say down*, too many typos. Down they goo.
By carl on Jan 21, 2013 | Reply
Once again another team shows us blueprint to beat Pats! 4 goons on the line beating there goons! You must throw the ball to get points on the board! Hey Rex, this is simple! So heres what you have to do in offseason, 1st sigh N.E. O line coach, train our boys protecting QB skills !2nd change def line from 3 4 to 4 3. goons to put Tom Terrific on his butt! Sign Ed Reed ! Get back Leron landry back give Crow an extension on contract!!! Get Revis healthy!! Speedy Linebackers that can play in space!!!! Tim Tebo still under contract? how about actually usin him, this time in a pistol O.Wildcat is Dead! Jets nation you have admit that Tim was not used to teams advantage ? The boy can play football ! The real QB coach! Go Jets!!!
By SCfromNY on Jan 21, 2013 | Reply
The discussions about QBs being elite or good are just getting boring. You need a good QB to win in this league. An elite QB will help keep you in most games. Note all the QBs in the champ. games. You could consider by skills Brady and Ryan were elite but they lost. ALL the QB's except Brady strangely enough, were probably 90% accurate throwing and reading defenses. I realize a few are trying to make Sanchez a good QB / game manager BUT he is unable to read defenses and very inaccurate especially under pressure. I hate the choices of T.Jackson, Fylnn, or Vick. A good hold the fort pick up might be Colt McCoy. If nothing else a great name.
By steven on Jan 21, 2013 | Reply
I didn't watch any games after being a fan for over 30 years. It's no fun watching the Jets. I believe the QB's ought to atten McCarthy's QB school during the offseason so they can get trained by the best. Great QB's have come out of that school. I believe McElroy is a potential Great QB. He has done nothing but win and he is smart on the feild. Jets teams do stupid stuff in games. They make stupid decisions in a game. Patriots are smart the whole game with quick counts, getting out of bounds to stop the clock, proper tackling etc. Jets need big fast receivers, big, fast, smart, accurate QB's who can build a winning team for the next ten years. Draft good players and hold cap down, no dumb trades. Eddie Lacy Hayden Smith will be stars.
By Chicago Bob on Jan 21, 2013 | Reply
Guys, you are not going to be able to fix this mess with any quick fix. Take a look at the Patriots and when you look at some of their positions (QB, RB, TE, ROT, LOG both OLB's and nose tackle, the difference in talent is staggering. Let's stop trying to put a band aid on this wound. Someone like Landry is going to ask for a lot of money, we are not in the position to pay him. You are going to have to face a decision on whether or not to pay Revis. Due to the fact we are overpaying Mangold, Brick, Harris and Cromartie, we cannot afford any more big contracts as it will just put us right back where we are trying to get out of. This team is not going to compete next year so why try a quick fix? Get a jump on 2014 and get some youth in here.
By Karan on Jan 21, 2013 | Reply
Excellent point on Colin K and the niners Spicer. It is possible even with a 10 game starter kid in Colin K. He's better than MS but think about the possibilities if they fix MS. He was already in the title game twice, lets fix him and surround him with a great team. It CAN most definitely work for those saying you only need elite guys.
By ELI RODRIGUEZ-What has change-nothing! on Jan 21, 2013 | Reply
We are fooling ourselves if we believe this team would be competitive, Heck last year team was the best ever (REX-SAID THAT) Idzik and Rex will be trying to assert who's the ALPHA MALE. (It's coming, you'll see) IMO—Woody wouldn't hire the right man because- they wouldn't agree to all his bizarre demand.(Think about it people–Idzik didn't receive housing allowance) Rex has tunnel vision and he'll shove M.S. down our throat AGAIN (it's coming, you'll see) Our plans for the next GM, was to be a personnel guy–but it turned around and became another CAP GUY. (THAT'S JUST NICE) Idzik, Rex, M.S. and even TIM TEBOW are WOODY JOHNSON MUPPETS–yes M U P P E T S.
By Patty on Jan 21, 2013 | Reply
Get a QB who can read defenses and can call proper plays against the defense AND CAN MOVE THE CHAINS like McElroy. Get two big fast and strong TE's like Hayden Smith. Draft good Safties to Go with Revis, Crow and Wilson. Get a fast running back like Eddie Lacy and Joe McKnight. Get speedy big and fast receivers like Braylon and Hill. Get some linemen who can pancake like Mangold and Brick. Get BIG OLB'S who can rush, block passes and scare QB's like John Abraham, freeney and Devin Taylor. Tebow can be a great QB if the QB coach will spend time with him on his techniques. He can dodge the rush, he can run, he's hard to tackle and he lead people and win. No reason he can't learn techiniques. In offseason somebody should be working with QBs
By Ronbo19 on Jan 21, 2013 | Reply
S.C.Joe, yeah your Bengal trade is fine.Really any trade that adds pic's is what we need. Cap situation tells us Landry & Keller are goners! Landry is a loss, Keller not so much!SPICER, just look'n out for you bro.Never said M.M was a bad choice.Just pointing out how over the top you are sing'n his praises!What if he flops?S.C.N.Y spot on dude! We are a lot more than 2 or 3 players short! IRA, WOW! you totally blew my Cohen point.As I have said, other than the horrendous recent draft history(Ducasse,Hill,Greene,Sanchez,Wilson,plus most of this past years draft) the only thing I dont know is how much influence Cohen had in those decisions?And if none, why? Was his opinion not highly valued? Just asking ?
By GaryC on Jan 21, 2013 | Reply
well like I said before the playoffs,I will go with my ABTP THEORY.anyone but the patriots and packers,at least that wish came through.As for people thinking New England is done,they get a free ride to the playoffs every year,they only have to beat the jets,bills,and dolphins,not many division winners have it that easy.
By Ronbo19 on Jan 21, 2013 | Reply
SPICER, As I enjoy our ,shall we say discussions, I hesitate to be critical with you because you take everthing to heart. But, your arguments with S.C.Joe & T64 make zero sence to me. Although they are younger and thus less statistically accomplished than the so-called "elite Q.B's", make no mistake: Flacco, Kaepernic, Ryan as well as a few others are no worse than "emerging elite" Q.B'S! Obviously guys like Payton, Brady,Rodgers,Bree's & mabey even Eli have won the Super-Bowl and earned there way to the exalted status we seem to need to apply. The point is with the rules being so pro offence I dont think we will see any game-mgr's winning anytime in the near future.If you cant see beyond the stats your missing some great riseing stars!
By scjoe on Jan 21, 2013 | Reply
spicer, you can call QB play anything you desire, anything that makes you feel better, anything that gives you the illusion that you are somehow right because an "elite" QB is not in the SB. BUT, bottom line, just as I predicted before the NE game started, IF Flacco has an outstanding game (which he did) they can beat NE WHICH THEY DID. Tell me, if Flacco had a Mark Sanchez type day, you know, 0 TDs and 2 INTs with 1 going back the other way, who wins??????? C'mon man!
By scjoe on Jan 21, 2013 | Reply
spicer, if you really believe all that talk about a 53 man roster all contributing in a win, and if you really believe QB play, whether that be elite, quality, average, bad, or finally Sanchez like, does not effect the outcome of the game more often then any other position on that 53 man roster, and if you REALLY believe the play of Joe Flacco did not go a long, long way in beating NE, then I honestly believe it is time for you to attend a pro football 101 course. Although it may be a little to late.
By scjoe on Jan 21, 2013 | Reply
and finally spicer, your right, I try not to attach the "elite" tag to a specific QB anymore, the reason? there are not that many to go around. But if you have been reading my posts with any kind of objectivity at all, instead of just trying to contradict them (even though you can't) you would know that what I said was you need a "quality" QB to win. Do you think the 2 QBs going to the SB are closer to quality, or closer to Mark Sanchez? I think, even for you, it will be difficult to skate out of that one.
By since shea on Jan 21, 2013 | Reply
Klecko, I agree! Whats all this talk about Flynn (one game wonder who could be a major bust!) WC offense is short quick passing to set up whatever run. McElroy can do that! He didnt win a college championship by accident! Why waste ANY money on a band aid? I bet we could move the ball in a WC offense using Greg or even TT maybe, if he is still around. Find the next Colin Kapernick in the draft either this year or next (T. Bridgewater??). For now, we need an O line!! OLB, TE and do what we can to keep our secondary, so save your money. No band aids. Other than Ducasse's family, only punchie could think Ducasse is good. A trade down to get more picks in the top 40 selections is shrewd.
By 40 year fan , John on Jan 21, 2013 | Reply
I am so happy about the Patriots losing …
By 40 year fan , John on Jan 21, 2013 | Reply
Marty M ? Come on man . He will fit in perfect with the disfunctioning Jets …I was hoping we could trade for Matt Stafford , & get rid of Sanchez . Knowing what I know about the Jets we might end up with Micheal Vick at QB …..It doesn't get worse than JETSVILLE
By Jet Fan Since '64 Tom Ready for The Next Phase on Jan 21, 2013 | Reply
Yes, Spicer, I watched the games, and I saw the two winning QBs throw the ball extremely well. When it looked like ATL and NE were going to win, everyone was talking about how accurately Ryan and Brady were throwing the ball. But the QBs who threw better and made absolutely zero mistakes were on the teams that won. I suppose you might've seen the SF-NE game this yr when Brady almost brought them back from 31-3 but then Kaepernick put it away with his first pass of a new series to Crabtree for a TD. So this nonsensical fixation on "elite QBs" aside and focusing on how much you need a great QB, among other things, to get anywhere, I ask you: When was the last time anyone talked about how great SANCHEZ throws and how few mistakes HE makes?
By Jet Fan Since '64 Tom Ready for The Next Phase on Jan 21, 2013 | Reply
Karan, I hear ya that you're not a teenage girl, but maybe you're a disturbed teenage boy. The only thing worse than Suggs' thug-like comments were the psychotic way he tried to take them back 2 minutes later. I look forward to him and unjustly freed murderer Lewis losing big. Spicer, what's 100% wrong is watching 1 game and forgetting, for instance, the games the weekend before. But then, no matter how many times we say that anyone who plays like Kaepernick and Flacco are on their way to becoming elite or great or superstar or whatever you wanna call it you don't hear it, so like with Mark's garbage-time stats you fixate on 1 aspect of the game above all else. The pattern is not just clear but boring. You notice nobody (see next post)…
By Byrdman on Jan 21, 2013 | Reply
Interesting SB angle this year – Both Niners and Ravens feature Defenses that knock your block off and O-lines that open holes for the running game. The most significant difference to me is their Offensive schemes. Niners run the Pistol very well because of the threat CK presents as a free runner, but he makes some big-time, accurate throws down the field too. I see this kid as the Future at the QB position. In contrast the Ravens run a more traditional scheme, a big drop-back QB with a cannon arm handing off to a shifty cutback RB and throwing down-field to big fast wide-outs.
Question: Has Joe Flacco established himself as an "Elite" QB this season? Does Colin Kaepernick have "Elite" talent or could any game manager win with that team?
By Jet Fan Since '64 Tom Ready for The Next Phase on Jan 21, 2013 | Reply
(cont.)…you notice, Spicer, nobody here says stupid stuff to you like, "See, Spicer, we tried to sign Crabtree when SF couldn't sign him, that proves that elite WRs are the only thing you need to win!" Charliejet, I've thought many times that Sanchez would be smart to rework his deal and 1 of the reasons I'm optimistic about Idzik is that whereas he might suggest this to our NFL-worst starting QB, Mr T would never dream of it. I'm a little saddened by all the sour grapes rooting for and against other teams that I'm reading here today including surprisingly you, scjoe. I couldn't care less about the Pats, the SB, Ray Lewis winning a trophy before he commits Murder 1 again and gets off, I'm just happy to see the Jets are making big changes!
By Byrdman on Jan 21, 2013 | Reply
Does anyone else notice a double standard in the way the media caters to Ray Lewis and his obvious religious Beliefs as opposed to the way Tebow was Lambasted for his? Same with Colin Kaepernick, the media dances around his 'faith" the guy literally wears it on his sleeves, notice the bible scripture ink all over his arms?
Just a couple observations !
By Karan on Jan 21, 2013 | Reply
Randy, its possible that the Jets can re-structure Mark's contract somewhat to create more cap space?
By Randy Lange on Jan 21, 2013 | Reply
Karan, I'm sure it is possible, but obviously only if both sides are willing to restructure the deal. As to what form any such restructuring would take, I have to leave such speculation to the reporters and columnists covering the team.
By Karan on Jan 21, 2013 | Reply
I know they had done a little re-structuring in the past. I just get confused because of guaranteed amount. If Mark does it and I think he will, that would be great.
By Karan on Jan 21, 2013 | Reply
Thanks a lot Tannenbaum, for putting this team in salary cap hell. Sheesh, good riddance!
By Byrdman on Jan 21, 2013 | Reply
Groan :( I see the Sanchez and G-Mac groupies are back already. Too Funny!
Hope Idzik quickly sends the message that the Jets DON'T have an NFL caliber QB on the current roster by unloading Sanchez, Tebow and Sackelroy asap.
It's wild speculation that the former "Seattle" man will work a deal for Flynn – or Tavaris Jackson either. The NY Jets don't need ANOTHER backup caliber QB.
If anything the last couple seasons have proven that, with some good solid scouting and talent evaluation, your team can acquire an NFL ready QB in the first 3 or 4 rounds in the draft. I'm thinking our new OC, I'll call him M2 for short, his experience with some great QB play will be an asset to the Jets. M2 knows what skills the NFL demands from the QB !
By scjoe on Jan 21, 2013 | Reply
GaryC, re: your theory on a Harbaugh driven league, you could make the case, that both the Ravens and the 49rs got to where they are because of Harbaugh A and Harbaugh B, OR, I can make the case that both teams got to where they are because of the play of their respective QBs down the stretch, and in the playoff's. Neither theory would be wrong! But, you have to ask yourself, is Harbauh A ( or Harbaugh B) really in the same class as Belichek?
By scjoe on Jan 21, 2013 | Reply
64, I guess that is why they make chocolate AND vanilla! See, to me, the only thing that comes remotely close to a Jet win is a Patriot loss. That pretty much sums up how I feel about Tom Brady (although I give him his props for what he does) Bill Belichek (see Brady) and the NE Patriots "arrogance" as Suggs so eloquently described it, in general. Then again, that is how I feel about the Brooklyn/LA Dodgers. It's a ME thing. It may not be right, but it sure aint wrong!
By Ronbo19 on Jan 21, 2013 | Reply
GARY C, My point about trading down was not neccessarily with the Rams. I dont agree that this is a weak draft. The so-called experts said the same thing last year with the obvious exceptions of Luck & R.G.III. Yet by last count last years draft produced nearly 100 players who started games this past year.So I'm thinking the Rams who need O.L worse than we do but already have good players at R.B,W.R & T.E may be tempted to trade up for an O.T like Eric Fisher from C.Mich or Fluker or Womac from Bama? I watched the E.W shrine game plus the NFLPA all star games & there are plenty of good players slated for the later rounds.It just requires a talented evaluator to pick them.
By scjoe on Jan 21, 2013 | Reply
Here is what amazes me about a guy like spicer, he can back a guy like Mark Sanchez for 4 years, a player who I believe is hands down the worse 4 year starter in the history of the NFL, BUT THEN, refuses to give a "good" starting QB his due after leading his team to the SB. Spicer, you have "bragged" on Sanchez about him "leading" the Jets to 2 AFC championship games, but you can not find it in yourself to give that same amount of credit to a couple of QBs who actually did lead their teams to a SB. What am I missing here?
By 40 year fan , John on Jan 21, 2013 | Reply
The new offensive coordinator should trade for Larry Fitzgerald ..If he is going to be traded …And if we are a serious team , and not a joke , we should do this deal …And get rid of santonio holmes …Braylon Edwards on left …And Larry Fitzgerald on right …At QB Matt Stafford ..He has connections with Detriot …LETS GET THIS DONE …
By 40 year fan , John on Jan 21, 2013 | Reply
We gotta start cutting people and get some cap space …I don't care about hurt feelings …We gotta fix this embarassment …The Jets are a disgrace …
By scjoe on Jan 21, 2013 | Reply
On the topic of Mark Sanchez actually agreeing to rework his contract, why would he?? He has to know his days are numbered in this league, at least as a starter, so why not go out with an 8 -10 mil deal instead of a 3-4 mil deal? I don't think the man is a total moron, just an incompetent QB.
By johnny a on Jan 21, 2013 | Reply
Furthermore, I think Idzik himself will explain his resume and knowledge regarding player evaluations on Thursday. It concerne me more that he surCounds himself with strong personnel guys because EVERY GM NEEDS AS MUSH HELP AS HE CAN GET AS WELL AS ANOTHER SOUNDING BOARD AND/OR CONFIDANT WHO HE TRUSTS. Besides, i'm not so certain that I would want Bradway to stay. the one guy he got it right with and lobbied hard for was Russel Wilson, yet nobody listened to him, anyway. moreover, is bradway not the guy who took Bryan thomas over Ed Reed whn the Jets had the worst FS in football (Damien Robnson) and Reed was not only the best S in college but the best player, bar none, left at 21 or 22 when the Jets went on the clock?
By johnny a on Jan 21, 2013 | Reply
…BRADWAY CONTINUED… FURTHERMORE, there was mike Nugent in round 3 on a team that was a solid squad and needed a few more pieces (and perhaps a real coordinator at the time instead of Hacket, who wasted Curtis, chad, moss, etc.)and needed to add players in the draft to a team that was talented and very close! What else.. Doug Jolley and the Raiders 2 for our #1 when the TE from Va was sitting right there for the Jets, Heath Miller. Ask the Pittsburgh fans how he worked out. How about trading not 1 but 2 #1s to move up into the top 3 the night before the draft, thereby playing your hand & possibly losing your player the next day, THEN selecting Dewayne Robinson. In a draft deep with DT TALENT.& HE PASSED UP K.WILLIAMS??
By johnny a on Jan 21, 2013 | Reply
Yeah Ira, PLEASE lets kill this hire and DO WHATEVER WE CAN TO KEEP TERRY BRADWAY!
By johnny a on Jan 21, 2013 | Reply
By Chicago Bob on Jan 21, 2013 | Reply
SCJOE, you stole my thunder. Mark is not stupid and knows his days with the Jets most likely are nearing the end. He may very well wind up somewhere else and do a nice job however odds are it will not be here. As you said, why should he renegotiate? Makes no sense. Might as well "cash in" while you can as this may be his last big contract. If I were in his shoes, I would not. Johnny B, I am sure Bradway has had his hits and misses (Belichick has had his share – just look at his recent drafts) however he was the driving force in drafting Hugh Douglas and he was solid – unfortunately Hugh was a goner when the Jets went to the 3-4. I am not defending Bradway however he may be the best option Idzik has until he can get someone better in here
By scjoe on Jan 21, 2013 | Reply
Ron, on the draft trade down front, it would not surprise me to see the Jets trade down to, say mid round, 14, 15, 16, etc and pick up a #2 and maybe a # 5. The value system would confirm that type move.
By Ronbo19 on Jan 21, 2013 | Reply
CHICAGO BOB,How right you are! I'm reading nonsence here about bringing in a Flynn or Tavs Jackson plus other stop gaps but I'm hopeing this guy is more personell savy than people are giving him credit for and will get this whole mess straightened out the right way. I cant think of one NFL team that has won a championship by applying band-aids. We need to build it smart and build it right piece by piece. I dont wanna be having this same conversation this time next year. As the salary cap mess is what it is its my belief based on the players who will be available in this years draft we should go OLB, O.L, Q.B,RB & at some point T.E and safty. Theres no way we will get everything done in one year but we need to make a plan & stick to it!
By Jet Fan Since '64 Tom Ready for The Next Phase on Jan 21, 2013 | Reply
scjoe, that's fine if you wanna root against NE but our team is so pathetic that I don't feel like wasting time on anything but making it better. Byrdman, I think the press is absurdly deferential to any devoted monotheist, as if that alone guarantees anything, but at least Tebow didn't commit double murder, flee in the night like a coward, and then plead out to save his butt. Karan, here's the Sanchez restructuring I want and he deserves: "Mark, you're an intern this yr. No pay but we'll foot your room and board. You're not starting and you're likely to be 3rd QB inactive behind whoever looks better than you next summer. And if you got any ideas on where you wanna go right now, tell us and we'll look into a trade immediately."
By SCfromNY on Jan 21, 2013 | Reply
Karan, when will you give up on Sanchez? Here is a hint QBs are suppossed to get better, not worse. The players around him were poor because Sanchez inspired NOTHING. 40 year; Would love to have Fitz and Stafford BUT how would we afford them? And why would they want to come here?
As for all the talk on Sanchez and a restructure, WHY? To keep him longer? Unload what we can in 2013 and hopefully get a fresh start.
By GaryC on Jan 21, 2013 | Reply
Scjoe,last two years the Harbaughs have been in the championship games,each in their own conference,that is better then saying every qb who wins is quality or elite,you know,I got another name,what about the NOW QUARTERBACK,until next weeks game.
By GaryC on Jan 21, 2013 | Reply
Ronbo19,one thing about those games over the weekend,most of those guys are not rated in the top 150 of the draft,that being,if there that good they don't need the game to better themselves,that is why the majority of the top players wait to the combine and even then some don't run or do the drills.the ones who played this past week are bottom rung who are looking for a roster spot,a few might show well but only to make a roster.the top talent will not take a chance to get injured for their contracts.
By GaryC on Jan 21, 2013 | Reply
I just saw where Vollmer is going to be a free agent,he can definitely be an upgrade over Howard,then Howard can be a reserve in case they don't resign Smith.
By GaryC on Jan 21, 2013 | Reply
Scjoe,seeing that I am an Afc fan it is nice to root for them again seeing that the patriots,steelers and colts aren't there.As for hating the patriots,you probably felt the same way when Marino and Kelly were kicking the jets all over the place,you end up hating all teams you can't beat.
By IRA on Jan 21, 2013 | Reply
The handwritIng was on the wall when Clinkscales left. Cohen is a good football man. He seems to be more involved in Pro Player Personnel and some CFL scouting than the college draft. We will learn soon if his role expands, stays the same or Idzik makes changes with his staffs.
Thought Lee was a good hire now they have to give him and Morg somebody to work with. I have been on board for Moore for awhile. I would say 2 mill per should be able to get him.
By IRA on Jan 21, 2013 | Reply
In today's NFL. It surely has become a passing league and you have to be able to score 28 pts or so to win games. I am old school and always believed that if you have a very good D you more than likely will win more than you lose and yesterday's games showed that the teams with the better defenses come out on top. The Ravens totally beat up the Pats WR's and shut down Brady in Foxboro that not too many teams do. Last team I believe was the 010 Jets!
By IRA on Jan 21, 2013 | Reply
As for this weeks presser with Idzik I am sure the media and the fans will be looking for answers that he is not ready to have or even so will not tell anybody anyway, I am sure he will be very well spoken and give us some direction of what to expect from the team he wants to build. He might announce a few coaching hires or maybe that Thurman will be the DC, But don't expect any real answers about the QB position and he might not do a Caldwell and say Tebow will not be back, I just hope that this will be the last GM presser for a long time.
By mike on Jan 21, 2013 | Reply
Why won't, not why can't the Jets make Tim Tebow a tight end? Other teams have successfully made the conversion with a QB. It would be a win for the make up of the team and a win for the salary cap situation as well. The Jets still get to keep a high pofile player who sells jerseys and not take a cap hit to boot.
By chris long time jet fan on Jan 21, 2013 | Reply
doesnt matter who we get if mark is still the quarterback….keller and mark can be package deal….and hope the jets have competition at different positions and the real best players play..the jets locker room cant be united and it has to be to win..this too has to be real.
By Mike Jet Vet on Jan 21, 2013 | Reply
Yes, Randy, Holy Bat cave batman , that's who I was thinking of, Wow I was way off on that one. Sorry Spicer my bad..
By punchie on Jan 22, 2013 | Reply
PLEASE Trade away our first two rounds in the draft. NOT because this year is a so called weak draft class, We need our new GM to make some cap saveing moves this year, Cut some of that extra baggage , asses the young tallent currently on the roster bring in a FS , OLB , RG , TE , WR , In free agency address the HB , QB Positions in rounds three and four and use five six and seven on another HB , OLB and TE , Then when you have your front office and scouting team assembled you will have four or five picks in the first two rounds in an erra where you don`t have to pay them a great deal , just look at russell wilson six hundred K per year over the next four years YOU KNOW IT MAKES SENSE…. BYE BYE , HOLMES , KELLER , SANCHEZ , LANDRY
By IRA on Jan 22, 2013 | Reply
So they are all down in Mobile for the Senior Bowl and the lead story today is the Jets have interest in Mathieu. Well they have to look into all possbilities but i would stay away. Why go down that road again. It does tell me they are looking for a CB to replace either Cro or Revis whichever one they decide to trade.
By Mike Jet Vet on Jan 22, 2013 | Reply
Yes Byrdman. I wrote that very subject last week look back . I'll give you one better, at least I gave a very valid reason why TT speaks religion and walks the walk. Plus he meaning TT never was implicated in or a situation where a person was fatally wounded like MR Ray Lewis. all hypocrites, when it comes to guys like Ray Lewis,They gush all over him, when he speaks religion yet TT is treated like a leper for his… Glad some one else has noticed
By SCfromNY on Jan 22, 2013 | Reply
Some extra thoughts from Sunday's games. NO FIELD GOALS. If you look at the NFC game had Atlanta scored a TD instead of a field goal the score would have been tied at the end. In NE ironically NE scored 2 field goals instead of TDs which would have made it a 1 TD game at the end something the Pats usually do well. The point I'm making is this underscores todays NFL. You need to score large and TDs to win. The top defense and scoring 17 pts is no longer an option. Can it work occasionally? Yes! But it is a good way to only win 4-6 games per season.
SB picks. While I like Raven Harbaugh better I think 49er Harbaugh will win.
By Ronbo19 on Jan 22, 2013 | Reply
S.C.Joe,T-64,GARYC,BYRDMAN & the others here who care,:great discussion on ESPN radio about the emergence of the "read option: Greenie & Mike + Manginni
the consus was while it will no doubt be a part of the the NFL going forward like the bunch formation,zone blitz ect,ect, it will not become a primary staple of any teams offence as it is simply to dangerous to the Q.B's health. Greenie asked Manginni how he would defence it and before he could answere Golic shouted, "hit the Q.B to which mangini quickly agreed.Under the current rules Q.B's
great protection from hits.As the read option involves a prolonged handoff as the Q.B reads the D.E or O.L.B, he exposes himself to numerous opportunities to be hit which def. co's will take advantage.
By Jack on Jan 22, 2013 | Reply
Jets new GM, show Interest in QB, Tarvaris Jackson others Matt Moore Jason Campbell & David Garrard. Jets have too many caps problems ( Thank Mr T ) to try to go out and get QB's Alex Smith or Matt Flynn. I wouldn't mind getting QB's Matt Moore or Byron Leftwich much rather have any of those 2 then the others. Agreed?
By Jet Fan Since '64 Tom Ready for The Next Phase on Jan 22, 2013 | Reply
Sure there are low-drafted guys on each of those teams, GaryC. But Crabtree's a good old-fashioned NFL superstar — holds out half his rookie yr, gets hurt early on, and then becomes just as unstoppable as everyone said he'd be. So drafting high and smart and paying guys a lot can, er, still work. Ronbo, the big thing about Kaepernick, RG3, Wilson, and even the GaryC-hated Newton is that they all throw really well. Except for RG3, I don't know how long it'll be before they'll get hurt too much by running, but no running QBs in the NFL have ever thrown this well. Since Sanchez throws as badly short, middle, and long as any QB of the last 10 yrs, folks on this site should stop stretching to defend him along these or the "game manager" lines.
By Jet Fan Since '64 Tom Ready for The Next Phase on Jan 22, 2013 | Reply
All you capologists and draft freaks, please keep posting your thoughts. I'm not doing any of that work this yr not only because I got a lot more real work to do in 2013 but because though we need to get the right guys, I'm not counting on many wins next yr for sure, maybe the yr after too. We need 10-12 new starters — as I said for months before the writers and NFL execs did, by the way — a new QB even for just 1 yr, and probably a new HC after that yr. Even 2-14 with some bright spots would be fine with me if we're going in the right direction. I don't know why Woody waited so long and by keeping Rex he's still waiting but he might still get real. If not, I still wanna know what Curtis Martin's up to and how many guys with $ he knows.
By GaryC on Jan 22, 2013 | Reply
ronbo19,exactly,you hit the quarterback,just like they did in the early 70's in college when teams played Texas and had James Street,Bertelsen and Steve Wooster,or Oklahoma with Jack Mildren and Steve Owens,even the officials cannot protect a quarterback if he is a potential running threat,but nowadays you never know.
By GaryC on Jan 22, 2013 | Reply
It is funny the jets are looking at tyronne Mathieu,another guy kicked off the team and who is 5'8,typical jets,baggage concerns and short defensive backs,I thought the jets were changing their ways,doesn't seem so.
By scjoe on Jan 22, 2013 | Reply
GaryC, I think you are trying to put words in to my mouth. When have I ever said that ANY QB who wins is "elite" "quality" or any other cute little tag? Let me try to break this down so that you can understand. My theory is that "QB Play" is THEE most important aspect of the game. Hands Down!! That includes coaching. That means that if you have one SB entry with an "elite" QB, and the other with a "good" QB what will matter most is "the-play-of-the-QB" Not their label.There is NO guarantee the "elite" QB just has to show up to win, it is how he plays! Example? Balt 28 NE 13 Which QB PLAYED better? Which is highly regarded as "elite" I rest my case!!!
By scjoe on Jan 22, 2013 | Reply
GaryC, I do agree with you on Mathieu (DB) though. At a time when WRs are getting bigger, stronger, and faster, the last thing we need is a 5'9″ DB trying to cover them. Mathieu will probably go late 2nd round, why not take a flyer on his teammate (Simon 6'3″) if you are really looking at CBs? I just pray that they are not looking CB in any early round. It has to be OLB, QB, RB, OL in rounds 1-4
By scjoe on Jan 22, 2013 | Reply
GaryC, just a follow up to that QB post above. Sure, an "elite" or a "quality" QB is assumed to play well most times he is on the field. Your chances are much better with one of them, but as I said, no guarantees! Every game is it's own entity, the team with the better QB Play has the better chance to win. A great defense is good, a great running game is good, great coaching is good,no doubt. But great QB play will beat them all most times. Remember, great QB PLAY! Not necessarily a great QB.
By Karan on Jan 22, 2013 | Reply
SCfromNY, I won't give up Sanchez until he's surrounded by a really good team again like he was before. He nee to improve himself ALOT, and I understand that but its not completely his fault for this past horrible season. If he had receivers that catch the ball, it would help. If he had legit weapons around him all season long and an O-Line that could protect him, that would help and work like it did in the past. Remember McElroys 11 sacks in one game? so please tell me again how it is completely on MS. There is some truth to what yousaid about his play bringing the offense down and I do somewhat agree with that. But football is a team game, everyone is accountable. It was MS more this year than usual, but I still think if given a……….
By Karan on Jan 22, 2013 | Reply
………a great offenive roster around him, great O-Line, legit WRs and a safety blanket TE in Keller, Mark will be fine. He doesn't need tobe top-tier and never will be but the guys been to the title game twiceand always steps up in the playoffs. I believe he has a 9 TD and 3 INT ratio in his 4-2 playoff record. Thats one if the main reasons I won't give up on him. And trust me, I've found myself screaming at Sanchez on the TV when he makes boneheaded moves but it looks like if Marty M can fix him, that would be just great. He's clearly lost his confidence, time for the kid to get it back again. Still, as of now we don't know if he will be Jet next season or not, not 100% sure anyways.
By Ronbo19 on Jan 22, 2013 | Reply
IRA & Gary C,I'm with you guys 100% concerning T.Matheu. Hey, the guy has been fortunate to make a few big plays but the reports I've seen on him say he is a mid to late rd pick because he gambles alot which make him suceptable to double moves but most importantly his character issues make him almost undraftable. I might take a chance in rd. 6 or 7 but otherwise, no thanx! TOM64, dont worry bro, GARY C & I got you covered on the draft stuff.I have been a draftnik since I was like 12 years old,way before anybody ever heard of Mel freak'n Kiper and I would be thrilled to go head to head with anytime.And I dont have nearly the access to tapes and inside info he does.
By Byrdman on Jan 22, 2013 | Reply
I will be STUNNED if Jets:
* Convince Sanchez to restructure his contract, unless the pitch they make is "Look Mark 65k fans in Metlife will Mercilessly BOO the living crap out of you if you trot out as our QB in 2013 – Help us quietly move you to Arizona, Cleveland or the Lingerie League, you're going to be in danger here in NY"
* If Jets draft a QB with the #9 pick – I don't see a first round QB on the board this year – DO YOU?
I'll be DISAPPOINTED if:
* we can't re-sign Landry, every good defense has that ONE guy willing to be the Human Heat Seeking Missile, LL is that guy.
* Shonne Green returns – he was overrated when drafted and it's time for him to run head-first into the D-line in some other town.
* Homes returns, he's DONE
By kleckofan on Jan 22, 2013 | Reply
I saw on ESPN that Woody told Idzik that Tebow was a Tanny idea that was forced on him. Now, SCJoe may be right about not putting too much stock in anything Woody/Rex say, but to me this says a number of things:
1) Tanny was as lost as we thought he was, maybe more so ;
2) Woody listened to and accepted Tanny's lame brain idea;
3) Tanny couldn't tell Rex what to do or he would have forced him to play Tebow;
4) Rex is responsible forwho played ie staying w Sanchez.
5) Rex doesn't know "what gives the Jets the best chance to win".
By Ronbo19 on Jan 22, 2013 | Reply
S.C.JOE, I've noticed you & Ira bring up Matt Moore as a potential starter next year & I'm good with that.Obviously none of us see him as a long term soloution but the cost in terms of money plus potential draft picks of bringing in an Alex Smith or Matt Flynn is simply not realistic. Additionally,Smith has proven himself to be a system Q.B & a "game Mgr" and we have been down that road recently. As for Flynn, yes he has had the one big game, but in view of the fact he lost out to a 5-10" rookie (albeit a good one) I think there has to be great concern as to how good he really is? His one plus is as a former Packer he is familiar with the "west coast offence"! But again, the cost????
By Ronbo19 on Jan 22, 2013 | Reply
S.CJoe, yeah, again the trade down scenario is a good one. We need bodies with the need for 12 or 13 new starters.You mentioned the word value and in our situation it is extremely important. I have been going back & forth with several guys here concerning the problem of drafting O.L with the #9 pick. With all the holes we have tieing up the money slotted for that pick is simply too much! You need difference makers when you invest that type of money so an OLB or Q.B or perhaps even a safty like Reed from LSU (as Landry is a goner) would make more sence.As the pre draft process goes on we will have a better idea who can best help us, but again, the #9 pick has great value and it needs to be maximized!
By 40 year fan , John on Jan 22, 2013 | Reply
We could trade Sanchez , and Tebow to detriot , with a draft pick after re structuring Sanchez's contract ….For Stafford …..Next , we trade Santonio for Larry Fitz. …..In the draft we go after young , fresh legs linebackers …And we trade Bart Scott, and another linebacker for Tony Gonzalez …Then we have something cookin'
By Ronbo19 on Jan 22, 2013 | Reply
GARY C, not sure why you felt the need point out the level of the talent in last weeks all-star games as I specifically pointed to most of them being later Rd picks?
That being said, keep in mind the R.B (RED SKINS) who will be up for this years Rookie of the year consideration was in that game and 60 players from that particular game made NFL rosters as well. Hey, we need bodies and we definately need to do a better job in the later rounds than we have recently.Keep in mind, only 3 out of the 8 picks last year made our opening day roster. I know the saftys Bush & Allan as well as the W.R White were brought in later but they were all originally let go.That kind of drafting is whats got us in this mess.
By Jet Fan Since '64 Tom Ready for The Next Phase on Jan 22, 2013 | Reply
I just read the Mathieu thing, GaryC, and of course I had the exact same thoughts, but here's the GOOD news — if Rex forces a few more moves like this NOW and we can't score any points, HE GETS FIRED!
By Allan O'Dane on Jan 22, 2013 | Reply
Tyrann is trying to turn his life around. Everyone deserves a second shot. But is he what we need right now? no. No more distractions. The NYJ needs to get their house in order. We need veteran leadership. Strong lockeroom guys (with talent). Don't know if that's going to happend with the salary cap mess we are in. I hope in 2-3 years this new GM has the team going in the right direction.
By GaryC on Jan 22, 2013 | Reply
Ronbo19,just wanted to make a point that those guys will not make a big impact,that being said,yes some guys do surprise,this week with the Senior Bowl many top seniors will play,but no juniors will play of course.This is the game if your scouts know what their doing is where your team is made.
By Ronbo19 on Jan 22, 2013 | Reply
IRA, I was thinking that due to the limited time from his hireing to the all-star bowl games & impending combine Idzik has little choice but to rely on Cohen & Bradway to help him with the coming draft. That being the case it will be an excellent opportunity for him to acess their ability. If they are as good as you believe they will most likely be retained in their present posisitions. Now, Cohen may feel a change of scenery is in order as he was passed over for the G.M.Job.
What ever the case the next three months are hugh for this organization as they will lay the groundwork for the coming season.Like most here my expectations for next year are limited by the talent level on our roster.As we have waited 43+ years,whats another year or 2
By GaryC on Jan 22, 2013 | Reply
Can people be serious,why would Detroit give up Stafford in a deal,Are the jets going in Jesse James style with a mask over their face and commit highway robbery,Stafford to Calvin Johnson is one of the best combos in the league,Get real.
By kleckofan on Jan 22, 2013 | Reply
I just read where the Pats have no draft picks in rounds 4, 5 & 6 this yr. It seems we're not the only ones making bad deals.
They gave their 4 for Aqib Talib, a good move, but the 5 was for Haynesworth and the 6 for Chad OchoStinko.
karan- I have my fingers in my ears and I can't hear you…Sanchez is toast, burnt toast. Please stop, please!
By Jack on Jan 22, 2013 | Reply
There no way jets are going to draft a QB, with the 1st pick in the drafts. Jets will look for a QB, in F/A and there are not going to pay alot to get one SO that leave out Smith and Flynn. Matt Moore is one of a few QB's jets could get looking to get the GM, is looking at Tarvaris Jackson. I'm hoping they don't go that way. I like QB, Byron Leftwich and Matt Moore Hope Jets can land one of the 2 QB's. My picks for the 2013 drafts are OLB, Jarvis Jones OLB, Damontre Moore, or DE, Barkevious Mingo if they are all gone OG, Chance Warmack or just traded down WR's, Robert Wood Keenan Allen or Terrance Williams. RB, Eddie Lacy. 2nd & 3rd Rds. OG,Dallas Thomas RT, Ricky Wagner. RB, Marcus Lattimore or RB, Montee WR, Kenny Still.
By Jetfan74 looking to a brighter future on Jan 22, 2013 | Reply
Don't know about others but I'm tired of seeing an OLB/DE mocked in the first round for the past decade it seems. How does a LB solve the problem of giving up 11 sacks in one game to a mediocre D? I'm sure everyone would complain about going heavy on the O line early, but after all, we have no guards and a suspect RT. Fix up front and everything else should look a lot better. Just my 2 cents. Here's to Mr I running the first of many successful drafts!!!
By chris long time jet fan on Jan 22, 2013 | Reply
this is easy ….we have talent…the train goes nowhere without a engineer
By SCfromNY on Jan 22, 2013 | Reply
Karan, my last Sanchez thoughts unless I hear,"Mark gives us the best chance to win". I am hoping that Sanchez is gone. I'm sorry but many of his weakpoints like field presense and ability to read a defense have only gotten worse. You are correct that we need to put better players with the QB to succeed BUT . . . The idea of better players is not to enhanse a poor QB and mask his issues. You collect quality players so the QB can reach his high point. You can't hope that surrounding a poor QB with better players he will become good. Sorry can't happen. BTW, Kiper's QB never mean much to me. Remember when he lauded Clauson and said he would be the best.
No knock on Jets not trying to convert Tebow. I think he just won't do it.
By Ronbo19 on Jan 22, 2013 | Reply
BYRDMAN, its too early to tell about whether or not there are any 1st Rd Q.B's but my guess is 3 or 4 will be picked. Gino Smith is a lock and Mike Glennon from n.Carolina st. and Zack Dysart from Miami Ohio & mabey even Ryan Nassib from Syracuse are possibilities as well. My guess is at least 3 will be picked in Rd.1 as the Q.B posisition is currently the most valued and teams are more willing to take a chance. Allan O, yeah, T.Mattheu clearly has a lot of work to do to rehab is image but I'm rooting for him as young men make mistakes. Its not what you do that defines you as a man, its what you do about it that does!
By russ on Jan 22, 2013 | Reply
In Fantasy Football you draft a Quarterback….In the NFL you draft great linemen….A weak OL makes all quarterbacks second rate. A weak OL makes all running backs second rate… A weak headed twit ignores 11 sacks 8 sacks 80 yards rushing games and says DUHHHHHH lets get a new quarterback…..
By IRA on Jan 22, 2013 | Reply
Moore is the perfect stopgap guy until they can draft a QB in 014, Nassib is not getting past Marone,
Time to take the heat off of MrT and the cap problems, When the new stadium came into effect going into 08 Woody needed to produce a SB team in one year so Mr T had to change his philosophy and started to trade away picks for older veterans and handed out some big contracts in a win now mode from pressure from the owner because of the PSL's he had to sell. Well it almost worked at 8-3 before they tanked and the next two years with AFC Title game losses. They came up short and then paid the price for selling out for an instant winner. Ultimately it cost Mr T his job. Too bad hard worker and gave us a good run.
By carl on Jan 22, 2013 | Reply
Hey Jets Nation I got one for ya, how about this "Tim Tebow hands the ball off to Maurice Jones Drew for the touchdown"!!!Go Jets!!!
By scjoe on Jan 22, 2013 | Reply
Ron, the only way we see Flynn in a Jet uni is if he is brought here as part of a deal that includes Sanchez to Seattle. I would be all for that providing a high draft pick is not part of the compensation, I could live with a mid round pick, and Sanchez for Flynn. But would be shocked if even that happened. Matt Moore is the best short term option, along with a high draft pick (2 or 3) on a rook QB.
By Karan on Jan 22, 2013 | Reply
For the offensive free agents, the Jets HAVE TO re-sign Braylon Edwards, Dustin Keller, Brandon Moore and Matt Slauson. And if you can afford, also try and keep Austin Howard and Jeff Cumberland. For defense, just want Landry to be back. Bell and DeVito would be nice to have back as well for the right price. Landry just has to be re-signed.
By Karan on Jan 22, 2013 | Reply
Loll danger? From what? Death threats on twitter?
By Chicago Bob on Jan 22, 2013 | Reply
I read some of these proposed trades the Jets should make and they are borderline hysterical. Let's get one thing straight, there are no GM's out there stupid enough to take Holmes or Sanchez in a trade. If you were an opposing GM, would you want either one of these guys (unless the Jets sweetened the pot with draft picks). I sure the heck would not. Face it, Sanchez and Holmes are not getting traded. Any GM with an ounce of intelligence is going to ask for draft picks as well and the Jets are not going to part with them. Get used to it, the only way Sanchez and Holmes are leaving is getting cut (which most likely will not happen, at least not this year) or they will finish out their contract with the team.
By GaryC on Jan 23, 2013 | Reply
JetFanTom,I don't understand your post about Crabtree,vis a vis,to me.I never said drafting high in the draft is a detriment,and you can get talent anywhere,the people who say the draft is a crapshoot,that only corresponds to the teams who don't know how.
By SCfromNY on Jan 23, 2013 | Reply
While boring using early picks OL with some LB help is the way I would go. There are 1000s of colleges. Scouts need to do due dilligence and find some quality unherald players. Arien Foster was not drafted. Many star RBs were in mid and late rounds. RB is probably the easiest position to make to the NFL as long as they can reconize a blitz and pick it up. 2 OL picks, 2 OLB picks, then look for a RB and QB.Remember brady was a 6th round and Montana was 3rd, and 3 QBs were taken before Marino. I would look for TEs in free agency and safety if we lose Landry. If Keller was cheap fine. But he does not fit the new TE look. He goes down too easy and blocks poorly. Today you need a big TE to shed tackles. Especially with an inaccurate QB.
By Jet Fan Since '64 Tom Ready for The Next Phase on Jan 23, 2013 | Reply
Folks, the simple truth is, we need just about…everything.
By Allan O'Dane on Jan 23, 2013 | Reply
This site has some great fans…but I need certain people to stop and think about what you write on this blog. Stafford? Larry Fitzgerald? Tony Gonzalez? MJD? 1. Detroit will not part ways with a young QB who will eventually mature into a great QB. Larry fitzgerald will only go to a team that has an Elite QB to win a championship. TG is going to retire. These players mentioned will never step foot in florham park. How about we fix our own mess first..like getting a reliable QB until we draft our own Andrew Luck Get a RB that can hit the hole and cut back and run to daylight. How about we get some LB's who can cover sideline to sideline? We have so many issues now NYJ can't even afford nor waste time dreaming about players like that.
By Jet Fan Since '64 Tom Ready for The Next Phase on Jan 23, 2013 | Reply
And russ? Karan? Our QB's a joke. He was mediocre at best with the best running game and OL in the league. He routinely cost us games and we basically got to the playoffs in spite of him. Without the running and the OL, he looks like a high school kid who somehow wandered into an NFL game. He can't throw consistently accurately with perfect protection and he's been making the same rookie mistakes for 4 yrs. We just hired a new GM, OC, and got Rex to finally admit that "Ground and Pound" was the most outdated, ludicrous thing ever. Try to get in step with that and stop posting the same old nonsense.
By Allan O'Dane on Jan 23, 2013 | Reply
Let's play GM here. 1st thing to do. How to unload Sanchez and Tebow. Get a Vet. QB to compete with GMAC. At least you know who your 1 and 2 are. If Sanchez is still on the roster you almost have to make him your #2 and Gmac #3. Tebow has to go. Draft a O-lineman in the 1st rd. WR in 2nd and RB in 3rd. NYJ needs playmakers on the offensive side of the ball. THIS IS A MUST!
Defense. Wilkerson-Ellis-Coples are the future. Not a bad group. LB's. Harris & Davis will man the middle…but you need to find an Heir apparent for Harris, McIntyre is OK as an OLB. But the reality is we need to get faster and younger at the LB positions,
Secondary is great as long as we keep Revis-Cro-Landry tadem.
By Ronbo19 on Jan 23, 2013 | Reply
GARY C, NO PROBLEM Bro, I just figured by now you should have figured out I have no life & absoloutely nothing better to do than record those games as well as this weeks Sr.Bowl practices. I love this stuff dude. Now that you got me going its looking like there will be 9 Q.B's drafted in the first 3 RDS so we should be able to get a one we can develope if we choose to. My early rankings to follow on my next post
By Ronbo19 on Jan 23, 2013 | Reply
2013 Top Q.B. early list (subject to change as info becomes available
1-Gino Smith 6-3 225 W.Va. athletic,big arm, stares down recievers
2-Zack Dysart 6-3 230 Miami Ohio, good athlete,can make all the throws,poor comp
3-M.Barkley 6-2 230 USC, had poor sr. yr, avg.arm, lots of exp. 4-RyanNassib 6-2 225 syracuse has tha arm& size, needs to read def better
5-Landry Jones, 6-4 230 Oklhoma, has all the tools,struggles in big games?
6-Tyler Wilson, 6-2 225 Ark. Good arm, knows the pos. poor sr. year?
7*-Mike Glennon, 6-6 230 N.C.St. big arm,zero mobility, intercept prone
8-Tyler Bray, 6-6 230 Tenn. Has call the tools, must protect the ball better
9-E.J.Manuel 6-4 245 Fl.St. big,fast athletic.poor dec.maker
By scjoe on Jan 23, 2013 | Reply
Chicago Bob, I agree, but at the same time, never say never! I can see a scenario where they trade Sanchez (IF, they can find any takers) and pay the bulk of his 2013 salary. If they pick up 6 of the 8 mil. I can see a team taking a flyer on him as a b/u, 2 mil is about the going price. Or, as I posted above, sending him to Seattle, picking up a portion of his salary, and adding in a #4 for Flynn. Either way is better then having him on the roster in ANY capacity. I would rather see the outright trade, then sign Matt Moore, instead of giving up a mid round pick for Flynn.
By Tom Spicer on Jan 23, 2013 | Reply
Gary C, Where is JOE CAPS?
By Tom Spicer on Jan 23, 2013 | Reply
Tom 64 & SCJoe, Flip flopping like Obama!
By Ronbo19 on Jan 23, 2013 | Reply
JETFAN 74, The reason you keep seeing OLB & DE's in the moc's is thats where the value is.O-linmen that make big money are cap problems down the road.(look at Miami with Jake Long)Thats why most teams shy away from picking them in the top 10 unless they already have stacked rosters like say S.F, Balt, Denver ect. The higher you pick the more money they get. As each team is only alloted 5 mill for all their picks teams like us need difference makers or play makers so unless we trade down(which I hope we do) your probably gonna see a OLB when our turn comes up at #9 in the coming draft.Its just the economics of the game.
By Tom Spicer on Jan 23, 2013 | Reply
There will be QB'S out there for the taking the Jets just need to be patient & bide there time. Make Sanchez a June 1st cut which would spread the cap hit over the next 2 years so it wont seem as bad. Then these guys could be out there Ryan Fitzpatrick Bill may cut him out right. Carson Palmer Raiders may cut him outright. The 49ERS will try to trade Alex Smith but if they cant he will be a free agent March 1st so we may be able to get him without giving up anything. Matt Flynn the Seahawks are going to try to trade him I read you can get him for a late round pick just to get his contract off of the Seahawks hands. I also read the Seahawks if they cant trade him may have to cut him cause they are not having a backup make that much money.
By Tom Spicer on Jan 23, 2013 | Reply
We can trade the Pats for Ryan Mallett he was a top prospect. We would have him for 2 years at $643K & $777K which is nothing. We could trade the Redskins for Kirk Cousins we would have him for 3 years at $480K, $570K & $660K which is nothing. Lastly we could trade the Titans for Matt Hasselbeck they have Jake Locker. Hasselbeck has a 1 year deal at $5.5 MIL he could start for us this year while we spend a high draft pick (1st or 2nd round) on a QB & let him sit & learn for a year. Geno Smith, Matt Barkely, Ryan Nassib, Mike Glennon, Tyler Wilson & Zac Dysert we can target 1 of these 6 guys whoever will be there when the Jets pick & if they think he is "THE GUY"
By since shea on Jan 23, 2013 | Reply
Russ, bravo on the smart post. O line makes everything work……running and passing games. This years draft has alot of real good Oline talent. Trade down and get more picks in the top 40 or 50 selections. Then go Oline, one or two early, along with TE and OLB. Build up the line now. I believe the QB's are to be had in the '14 draft.
By Tom Spicer on Jan 23, 2013 | Reply
For example I got this off of Rotoworld. "Yahoo! Sports' Jason Cole reports teams are unwilling to trade for Matt Flynn because the expectation is the Seahawks will cut him.Flynn is due a very affordable $5.25 million in 2013 if a team views him as a starter, but that price seems rather steep for the Seahawks to pay him while holding the clipboard behind Russell Wilson. Flynn turns 28 in June, and Seattle would likely accept a late-round pick in exchange for him. The Jets have been mentioned as a possible landing spot."
By since shea on Jan 23, 2013 | Reply
Matt Moore? Tavaris Jackson? Stafford from Detroit? Trade Sanchez for Flynn? Trade for Alex Smith? Trade Santonio straight up for Megatron?? Get Byron Leftwich? Clinkscales, Bradway and Mr T did good jobs??? Am I seeing things with these posts? Lets get real. I say stop the circus, bring some class to the organization. Make decisions that make sense! Logical thinking. You need an Oline? Then go draft one! Start identifying talent in the draft and developing/supporting the talent that we select. Bring in quality guys, not thugs. No baggage please! Build chemistry. No more taking other teams rejects.
By jake on Jan 23, 2013 | Reply
Chicago Bob, we could hope Mike T. gets another GM position in the league. We know he would make a trade for Sanchez and Holmes in a heart beat. Heck we might even get him to take Duccasse, and Greene while he's at it!
By Tom Spicer on Jan 23, 2013 | Reply
Geno Smith, Matt Barkely, Tyler Wilson & Landry Jones. I have seen them play alot watching there games. Have any of you guys watched Ryan Nassib, Mike Glennon & Zac Dysert. Have any of you guys seen there games? & what do you think of them?
By kleckofan on Jan 23, 2013 | Reply
Ira- not buying that theory about Tannenbaum for even a second. Of course, much of what we do on here is speculation, as none of us are in the Boardroom. I agree that we began our descent w Favre (which would have worked except for his injury). But how does the Sanchez extension, the Tebow fiasco, Wayne Hunter, Ducasse, Gholston &, Kyle Wilson fit into your theory? Tannebaum was in over his head from day one; apply the "even the blind squirrel finds a nut now and then" theory to any successes.
He always seemed to me to be the starry-eyed kid in his dream job, yet unqualified to be there. He was a Tulane diploma away from the guys calling in to WFAN w trade proposals.
Just my opinion.
By scjoe on Jan 23, 2013 | Reply
since shea, Stafford from Detroit? Never happen, Holmes for megatron? Not in a million years. Tavaris Jackson? Please no! Leftwich? See Tavaris Jackson. Matt Moore? Why Not?? He could be the best short term option out there, and at an affordable price. He is light years ahead of Sanchez and he can compete for the job with McElroy and a # 2 or 3 draft pick. Where is the down side? You have to take the cap in to consideration when you suggest certain deals.
By scjoe on Jan 23, 2013 | Reply
Ron, the QB position will be a crap shoot. They can all be lumped together judging by their pros and cons. But I think Glennon will be a 1st or 2nd round pick when it is all said and done, I think he will be 2nd to go right after Geno Smith in the process. Would love to see Wilson fall to the Jets in rd 2 or Manuel in rd 3. But you know what? All of this will change after the combine and the pro days. Right now it is just speculation and wishful thinking.
By Jet Fan Since '64 Tom Ready for Real Change on Jan 23, 2013 | Reply
Good article today on Bleacher Report about how MM's fate isn't tied to Rex, which goes to what I say about the future is Idzik and MM, not Rex. And by the way, folks, the QB on the roster now most suited to playing a WCO, which requires quick release, accuracy, smart decisions, and no mistakes is a guy named Greg McElroy. Spicer, I don't get what you mean about flip-flopping when I've said the same thing all my life: You need a great QB and you build a great team thru the draft. But I like your breakdown of vet QBs that we can get cheaply and I say let one of 'em compete with Mc while losing Sanchez and Tebow, of course. I was just kiddin' ya about Crabtree, GaryC. The main thing is building a team not subject to Rex's foolish fantasies.
By Byrdman on Jan 23, 2013 | Reply
Ronbo – nice work on the QB ranking! I still don't see one worthy of the #9 pick. Jet fans have taken so many "bad QB" shots to the head we've got coli flower brains – almost anybody LOOKS good to us :D
Liking the trade down scenario more – wonder if we could land a stud Guard and an OLB in first round, then grab the QB dog on your list with the least flee's with our 2nd or 3rd pick? Target a quick, versatile pass catching RB in 4th. Call me crazy but.. If we devoted 3 of our first 6 picks on the O-line, with the goal of building a top 5 Offensive line in the NFL, we could still be competitive with a Matt Moore at QB. Let our new OC groom the rookie QB, while our O line becomes dominant and we unleash the new QB in 2014 !
By scjoe on Jan 23, 2013 | Reply
My pre combine wish list, will probably change after the combine and pro days
#1 Jarvis Jones (OLB, Georgia, good fit in 3-4, better fit in a 4-3)
#2 Tyler Wilson (QB Ark. Can make all the throws, may be most ready QB)
#3 Marcus Lattimore (RB S. Carolina, he is currently rehabbing)
#4 Reid Fragel (OT Ohio State 6'8" and a sub 5.00 40)
#5 Sam Brenner (G Utah 3 year starter, played some LT)
#6 Shamarko Thomas (S Syracuse 4 yr starter, runs a 4.4 40)
#7 Dustin Hopkins (K FSU 4 year starter 80% FGM)
By Stevesc on Jan 23, 2013 | Reply
Russ and since shea, right on regarding the O line… Reiterating what I said, and what you mention, the qb, rb's and wr's will not be successful without a solid O line that can pass protect and open holes for the running backs. If anyone thinks the current O line doesn't need any changes, than you didn't watch what went on last season. This is where is all starts, in the trenches.
By Ronbo19 on Jan 23, 2013 | Reply
SINCE SHEA,thank you for bringing a sence of reality back to Randy's Radar. I cant believe some of the crazy stuff I'm reading here? Hey if thats the case, mabey we can trade Tebow for RG III and Sanchez for Adrien Petterson? As I have been trying to say, O.Line is a big need but not at #9 where we stand now. Trade down, I mentioned the Rams need an O.L.T to protect Bradford so mabey we could trade our #9 for their picks at #16 & 22? That way we could still get a really good O.l plus mabey a pass rusher or R.B? SPICER, you usually have a lot of good ideas but since we hired "air Marty" your all over the place Dude? You O.K bro? Mabey Artie's got some leaves of love for you to smoke?
By Ronbo19 on Jan 23, 2013 | Reply
S.C.Joe, I really dont see any way Flynn is a Jet? No way the Seahags or any team will trade for him in view of his body of work. No, I think your on the right track with mabey bringing in Moore or perhaps some one else will become available as teams formulate their rosters? Personally, I have always been a Byron Leftwich fan as he is one of the toughest guys I have ever seen. I remember a game where his teammates had to carry him to his posisition as he had a knee or ankle injury and he still one the game on one leg.The problem there is he is a bad fit for us due to his lack of mobility.As next years O.L will have several new faces it will likely take time to gell.
By Ronbo19 on Jan 23, 2013 | Reply
TOM64, As you are in my opinion clearly one of the most intellegent posters here I must say it confounds me you would let anything KARAN posts bother you in anyway? Now that we have established she is a he, there is no reason to protect her,( errr) him.Sorry about that chief! Anyway, let it go Dude, its so not worth bothering with! ALLAN O, You are becomming one of the "must reads" here! Always eloquent, and real! Keep up the good work my man! Now Spicer, lets come back down to earth bro! Do you really think the Pats would trade Ryan Mallette to us? Hey, why stop there? Why not see if they will give us Brady for Sanchez?" Come on dude, come back to us, we lovey you man!
By GaryC on Jan 23, 2013 | Reply
Tom Spicer,remember when I said everyone has an agenda,for Mr.Capps it was to make Peyton Manning the best quarterback ever,and for Bennett it was to make RG3 the second coming of Montana,as we see,they have both gone into hiding but I know Bennett still reads my posts even if they aren't worthy for posting.
By GaryC on Jan 23, 2013 | Reply
ronbo19,I will give you another quarterback,Dane Christ,who transferred out of Notre Dame to play with Kansas this year under Charlie Weis,that alone would make him a possible free agent to bring in or maybe a 6 or 7 rounder,he does have great size and arm but will it translate,but Weis did have a lot of success as an offensive coordinator.
By Jetfan74 looking to a brighter future on Jan 23, 2013 | Reply
Spicer, I can only comment on Nassib. I say he looks the part of an eventual great QB. I won't use the "E" word though. Good decision maker and very few turnovers. He won't make it past the Bills in Rd 1. He will know the system top to bottom, inside out. If they could play D in Buffalo, I think they will challenge NE for the division before we will. That was a hard pill to swallow!!!! I'm a 'Cuse fan, but in no way a homer. The Bills made some great moves with all the hires. Just wish coach would have stayed long enough to challenge for an ACC title.
By GaryC on Jan 23, 2013 | Reply
Don't worry Spicer,if the niners win Bennett will come back saying Kapernick is the next Montana.
By GaryC on Jan 23, 2013 | Reply
It is getting scary,Rob Ryan hasn't been hired yet.
By chris long time jet fan on Jan 23, 2013 | Reply
we have a solid football team…what we need is mark and any mark followers in the locker room gone…such as keller ,edwards ,keep holmes he is a quality wr and i can appreciate his frustation…no proven wr would come with mark at qb except if we overpay..adrain peterson couldnt run without a qb…we need to stop blaming players because mark was just bad really from day one….winning masked how bad he really is ,was ,and going to be…
By IRA on Jan 23, 2013 | Reply
Sparano is in Oak now and we get to face him next season. Wonder how the offense even with a lack of offensive playmakers would have made out if Callahan was the OC? Just my opinion all the QB's that everybody is talking about I still feel Moore is the best option and both Sanchez and the Jets need to move in a different direction. I think he still has the tools to be a good QB but not in NY. Just too much to overcome for that to happen.
As for what free agents they will try to resign we will just have to wait and see what Idzik comes up with after he clears some of the cap. I just can't see them being very active for any high price free agents and of course the Revis contract will be a major issue.
By Howard on Jan 23, 2013 | Reply
as for the qbs rambo listed, not bad. spicer nassib is sanchez light to me always made a critical maistake. saw him plenty and was at the cuse r.u. game this past yr. glennon great arm nice hieght 6'7″ but looked like he never saw the whole field, dysert saw once comp was poor he looked like an all pro. so hard to say.
By Jet Fan Since '64 Tom Ready for Real Change on Jan 23, 2013 | Reply
For those who keep chattering on about how "Rex loves that guy," "Rex will be good with that kind of O," and other such noise, I highly recommend Cimini's piece on how Woody has apparently "grown tired of the circus." I don't know how long it took Cimini or any other writers to find this out but as I've said many times, Woody is either the most clueless owner on Earth or, as in so many other situations, we don't really know much of what's going on behind the scenes. Anyway, the piece fully supports my view that the future is Idzik and to a lesser extent MM so let's stop with the nonsense about how "Rex would never let Revis go," "Rex will always start Sanchez," etc. The new reality is: Rex is damn lucky to have a job in Florham Park at all.
By Jet Fan Since '64 Tom Ready for Real Change on Jan 23, 2013 | Reply
Nice doses of reality, Allan and since shea, good GM-ing, Allan, and thanks for the update on Flynn, Spicer.
By Tom Spicer on Jan 23, 2013 | Reply
CBS' Jason La Canfora reports the Jets will "explore" Darrelle Revis' trade market. According to La Canfora, owner Woody Johnson has "strong reservations" about the team's ability to extend Revis beyond the final year of his contract next season, and wants to "attempt to land value for Revis now, rather than risk losing him" in free agency. It's a sign the Jets are dead serious about rebuilding and addressing their cap issues. However, a clause in Revis' contract bars the Jets from using the franchise tag, so the danger of losing him next winter is real. Even coming off a major knee injury, interest in Revis should be robust if he's truly made available.
By Tom Spicer on Jan 23, 2013 | Reply
Sources with "knowledge of the situation" tell CBS' Jason La Canfora, the Jets will be "hard-pressed" to re-sign impending free agents Dustin Keller and Shonn Greene. The same is reportedly true of DE Mike DeVito. Former GM Mike Tannenbaum left the Jets in salary cap hell, so the news is hardly surprising. Retaining Keller is likely of far greater concern than Greene, but ESPN New York agrees with La Canfora's sources that he's likely on the way out. It's going to be a lean year for the Jets in 2013. Even though he's coming off an injury-prone and ineffective season, interest in the 28-year-old Keller should be strong on the open market.
By Tom Spicer on Jan 23, 2013 | Reply
If the Jets dont sign DeVito it tells me that they are staying in a 3-4. Wilkerson & Coples will be the DE'S. DeVito is to small to play the NT so they see him as expendable. Greene if they are letting him go I dont see it as a big deal he is average at best & will not be a good fit in our new west coast O. Keller is the 1 that bothers me I know alot of guys dont like him because he is not the best blocker but we need to keep our O skill players & add to the skill players we have not lose any.
By Jet Fan Since '64 Tom Ready for Real Change on Jan 23, 2013 | Reply
More good news from Woody's office, per Cimini: "Johnson has "no confidence" in the Jets' ability to re-sign Revis, the person familiar with his thinking said. Despite the knee injury, he could seek more than $16 million p/yr, which could be prohibitive for the cap-strapped Jets. They're already $19.4 million over the 2013 salary cap. CBSSports.com first reported that Johnson wants to explore a possible trade involving DR." Between the many gaping roles in our starting lineup, our weak bench, and DR's revolting greed and narcissism, I say deal him while we can, preferably to some cellar-dwelling team, for whatever we can get. Doing so might also cure Rex of his insanely overreactive adoration of CBs, particularly those under 6 feet tall.
By Karan on Jan 23, 2013 | Reply
Revis might get traded.
By Charliejet on Jan 23, 2013 | Reply
Wow – just heard from the fan Jets will be looking to trade Revis (which I am OK with) – must be more to his knee healing more than we may know…
By GaryC on Jan 24, 2013 | Reply
so we hear the jets are looking to trade Revis,do it,his contract will be up after next season and we will hear Sean Gilbert's name brought up again with the negotiations.even next season,he will not be the player he has been,and might never be again.There must be some team out there who are as dumb as the jets and want to make a deal and give us a few picks and maybe a front line player.
By Allan O'Dane on Jan 24, 2013 | Reply
I say if we have to unload revis do it NOW…get something back in return..nothing less then a 1st and 3rd or 4th rd. pick. This team needs to rebuild more on the offensive side of the ball. As much as I like revis..he is all about money. Cro held up his side of the field..wilson did a good job..if you have a (1) good safety that should help the weaker CB. But Revis's knee will be an issue. We can't franchise tag him, so the NYJ may have no choice. I can see Revis playing for pittsburgh. This is a catch 22…If we keep him he'll strap the team down and prevent the team from signing key players…If the knee doesnt hold up well, NYJ will not get high draft picks for him.
By Ronbo19 on Jan 24, 2013 | Reply
S.C.Joe, excellent moc dude, I could definately live with that draft. Still think we need to squeeze a T.E in there and think Fauria from UCLA might be a good fit in rd. 6 ot 7? Obviously love his blood lines as his uncle Christian had a long distinguished NFL career. It helps he is 6-7 255 and can run. He is a little rough around the edges but thats why he will be available in the later rounds.There are actually T.E's through out the draft we may get as Keller is gonna be expensive and a poor fit for the w/C offence as he is under 6-2 and not much of a blocker.
By scjoe on Jan 24, 2013 | Reply
There are many teams who would show interest in Revis, but I think two of the more likely would be Detroit and Tampa, both are in need of CBs. What remains to be seen, given the extent of his injury, is if either would be willing to give up their #1, with Detroit at 5 and TB at 13. If so, I would jump all over that. Next problem, or at least next question, do you go CB with one of your 1st round picks? Just dreaming a little here, but what about a Revis for Suh straight up deal? Of course Rex would have to commit to a 4-3 with Wilk and Coples outside and Suh and Ellis inside, add that pass rushing OLB and there is your young, aggressive defense.
By kleckofan on Jan 24, 2013 | Reply
Agree that Moore is the guy we should focus on. Seeing him on Hard Knocks made me respect him and he's miles better than Sanchez. Second focus should be on ridding ourselves of Sanchez in the most beneficial way (trade, late cut etc)
I'd like to thank those on here giving draft info (Gary, RonBo, scjoe etc), as it's just too daunting to know everything (even the guys who claim to know it all (McShay, Kiper) don't.
I like Mayock the best on draft opinions.
That said, I have reservations about Glennon in a WCO; he's tall amd mobility isn't his strong suit. I like Wilson, Landry and even McCarron (McElroy clone) in a WCO.
It would be very gutsy for Marrone to take Nassib, imagine the fallout if it's a bust.
By kleckofan on Jan 24, 2013 | Reply
Good to hear Woody say that trading Revis is a real possibility, it shows commitment to buiding, not sensationalism. And as JFT64 said, it also shows that Rex will not be making personnel decisions; you know Rex would keep Revis at the xpense of the entire roster if given the chance.
BTW, one of my kids starting watching Storage Wars on A&E and though I've never met JFT64, there is a guy on there named Barry Weis who is an "older" cool cat and so "LA hipster"; my image of Tom (a compliment, not an insult).
Check it out some time.
By scjoe on Jan 24, 2013 | Reply
kleckofan, I agree 100% with you on Buffalo reaching for Nassib with the 8th overall pick. That is a reach beyond all reaches, BUT, as a Jet fan that could only be a good thing. What it means is the Jets get one more option in that all important top 10 talent pool. Lets just hope it will not be one of those way to many head scratcher's we all have become so accustomed to. Ron, sure TE has to be a consideration at some point, but in my eyes not nearly as critical as QB, OLB, OL, RB, and safety. I think there is some potential with those already on the roster and maybe an undrafted FA put in the mix.
By Jet Fan Since '64 Tom Ready for Real Change on Jan 24, 2013 | Reply
By the way, kleckofan, I picture you looking like — who else? — the great Klecko himself!
By chris long time jet fan on Jan 24, 2013 | Reply
sanchez,pace,scott.revis,tebow,keller,ducasse..all trade material let rex coach and thats all his job should be….we need a blocking fullback,give our rbs a chance with a new qb and new te..add backups for o line and dont overpay for has beens..
By Mike Jet Vet on Jan 25, 2013 | Reply
Finally, some sensible thinking around here, I stated many times I would like to see us trade Revis before it recently became fashionable.. Tom64 was only Fan on Board last season with me .. Revis , Was always more about Money than Team, I certainly think before he wants yet more money it's time to let him go, ..SCjoe, trade for Suh? that's like going out of the frying pan into the fire…Sorry, I have to disagree with a the post here saying Wilson is doing a good job at CB, He's as bad at Corner as MS is at QB.
By Ronbo19 on Jan 25, 2013 | Reply
KLECKOFAN & S.C.JOE, agree with you both concerning Nassib at #8.While it is a reach the new 'rule of thumb" is if you have your eye on a specific Q.B take him one round earlier than you have him rated for.As the Bills are as fed up with Fitzpatric as we are with Sanchez there is an excellent chance they will take him @#8.+ An interesting ride home last nite after work as "the Pope" of radio Mike Francesca basically blasted the Jets new G.M. as a tepid front man for Rex's Circus! While i admit the presser was on the dull side, as IRA pointed out it would be, my question to Mike would be,what did you expect? Did anybody really expect him to come out & say Rex is on a short leash, or Revis is history?
By GaryC on Jan 25, 2013 | Reply
MikeJetVet,remember when I said to trade Revis to the pats to take away their picks and that was during his first holdout when I mentioned Sean Gilbert as the chief instigator.People said to me why are you trading him to the Pats,I said to take away their future in picks.
By Jet Fan Since '64 Tom Ready for Real Change on Jan 25, 2013 | Reply
MJV and GaryC, I remember you guys saying trade Revis, in fact I'm pretty sure you two were the first. Ronbo, I just said the same thing on the story ahead of this and it should be obvious to everyone, Idzik has no reason to tell anyone what he's doing. And the important thing is that HE'S gonna be doing it, not Rex running down the hall to tell Mr T, who was just thrilled to be around jocks, what to do.
By scjoe on Jan 25, 2013 | Reply
Yea Ron, I heard Francesca talk about Idzik last night on SNY. I would tell you what I think of Mike Francesca and his opinion, but i'm afraid Randy would not print it. Basically, he was nitpicking and taking out of context some of the things Idzik said, what did he expect him to say the first day in the building? Did he expect him to say "I am the boss now and I WILL trade D Revis, and I WILL cut Mark Sanchez? Without even beginning to evaluate the entire roster? What a ????
By scjoe on Jan 25, 2013 | Reply
MJV, "never say never" Suh's presence in the middle of the line along with Wilkerson, Coples, and Ellis/Pouha, and along with a pass rushing OLB would do wonders for making an "ordinary" DB resemble Revis. Will it happen? Probably not. But it is off season and there is not much to talk about till free agency and the draft.
By Row on Jan 25, 2013 | Reply
Guys, seriously! Quit thinking this is a Madden Franchise. There's no Al Davis here. Best case scenerio is we get 3 in the top 50 and hit a home run on one of them. Maybe Coples decides to just go nuts year 2 like some of the picks on the front 4 of the Rams defense. Either way, we keep Revis. There's no way anyone would eat his contract and give us anything, even a 2nd rounder.. Go Jets
By Ronbo19 on Jan 26, 2013 | Reply
S.C.JOE, I noticed Francesca back-tracking on his show last nite as I hear he took a lot of heat for his comments.You and I as well as others here realize this is gonna be a marathon, not a sprint to the finish line as there is no way we will be any-thing more than sleightly better next year. The Q.B problem is gonna hold us back as nobody is takeing Sanchez off our hands so we will likely be stuck with him this year.I know your new Carolina roots probably make you like Glennon but as you get to know me you will see I'm usually right about this stuff. Yes he has great height, a better than avg arm and a decent amount of college experience, but there are a lot of holes in his game that will require a lot of work to correct.
By chris long time jet fan on Jan 27, 2013 | Reply
sanchez throwing longer balls just means more turnovers..his west coast offense will mean higher turnover percentage….we cant beat good teams with the qb having 2 turnovers a game…it leaves the rest of the offense to play mistake free or its a deffinate lost…..turnovers and penalities have to be fixed…the jets are above average at every position except the one that counts….every train needs a engineer not a caboose…
By scjoe on Jan 27, 2013 | Reply
Ron, there are a lot of holes in most of this years crop of QBs, but none bigger then the holes of 4 year starter Mark Sanchez. One or two of these QBs coming out will not only start but do well. Which one is selected will be key. Will it be a Dalton, Luck, or Wilson, or will it be a Gabbert, or a Locker? Two things come in to play, good sound scouting and plenty of luck! That said, I haven't been an advocate of Glennon out of NC State, I just happen to believe he will be one of the first few selected. I would prefer Wilson in the 2nd round.
By Jet Fan Since '64 Tom Who Has Let Go of All Illusions on Jan 28, 2013 | Reply
Row, you're not taking several possibilities into account, the most obvious of which is this: Revis might well take less money, maybe even much less money, to play on a team that's closer to serious contention, like SEA, DEN, or even PIT or DAL, than he will to stay with us. In fact, I've thought for a couple of yrs now that the dark underside to Darrelle's "I want to retire as a Jet" is "…as long as they pay me a ridiculous amount of money that no other team would dream of paying me." When Revis sees that other teams better than ours are interested in him, he may well decide it's worth it to take much less than $1 mil p/game to leave Florham Park and that works fine for me.
By Ronbo19 on Jan 28, 2013 | Reply
S.C.Joe, Agree about the holes in all this years Q.B class. I would be thrilled to see Wilson as our 2nd Rd pick. He is being compared to Andy Dalton which I feel is an appropriate comp.I was chatting with Mike Jet Vet on the other topic and suggested we look into trading Brick to to see if we could draft Fischer at #9?
Like you I dont believe going O-line is the right move for us now, but if we did thats the kid I would target. Getting back to the Q.B situation, as I posted earlier, 9 will go in the first 3 rds. My guess is 3 in the 1st, 3 in the 2nd & 2 in Rd. 3. Recent draft history says the Q.B posisition is the one teams will shamelessly reach for which is why the new rule is "if you want a specific Q.B, take him 1 Rd early
By scjoe on Jan 28, 2013 | Reply
64, disagree big time! I believe Revis would go to the Cleveland Browns if they were the highest bidder. I don't think that playing for a contender would influence his decision as much as the almighty dollar would. That would put him among 95% of ALL athletes at contract time.
By Jet Fan Since '64 Tom Who Has Let Go of All Illusions on Jan 28, 2013 | Reply
I can't read Revis' mind, scjoe, and you may very well be right, but he's gotta be frustrated that the team, and its QB, are getting worse yr after yr. Like I just wrote to Allan on the story ahead of this one, it's not really personal for me about Revis anymore, if it ever was. We aren't close to contending and we can't afford him, so we should trade him and use whatever we can get as pieces in our rebuilding process. And between the way Idzik talked about the draft last week and Bradway talks about O in EA's story today, about which I posted on the top story, maybe we have a shot at rebuilding the right way this time. (I know, GaryC will believe it when he sees it…)
By Ronbo19 on Jan 29, 2013 | Reply
TOM64, As big a pain in the you know what as Revis constant contract demands are i think there is one thing to keep in mind:lets not give him away! If we can get decent value like 2 #1's or a 1 & 2 this year I would have to strongly consider that.
On the other hand, I would not ship him to the 49ers for their 2nd rd pick in this years draft(which is practically a 3rd rd.pick) As Idzik will need to establish his credability in the NFL as the new kid on the block this is a cruscial first opportunity to show the league and jets nation he is the right man for the job.If he were to settle for a 3rd pick that would send the wrong message and undermine S.C.Joes thoughts on giving him a couple of years before judging him.