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Great Words Now, Hard Work AheadPosted by on January 8, 2013 – 2:46 pm
It's a testament to what the Jets have become that a 6-10 team could wait until nine days after the end of its season to hold its end-of-season news conference — and create a bigger scene than it would have eight days earlier.
All the trappings of a major news event were here at the Atlantic Health Jets Training Center today: satellite trucks and Sal Pal standups outside the reporters' area, assigned seating for the packed news conference room, Woody Johnson and Rex Ryan in business suits facing the media music.
There could have been contention among the beat reporters for the Jets possibly having been in violation of the "Bill Parcells Rule" that advises all teams to hold end-of-season news conferences within seven days after their last games, the rule named for when the Tuna took the organization "down to the bunker" for a month or two after some of those seasons back in the Eighties.
But it was never the Jets' intention to violate the spirit of the rule, and the NFL and the Pro Football Writers of America agreed to let this process take its course. Then Johnson may have defused any lingering questions with his opening remarks.
"I want to make an apology. I've read your statements," the Jets' now 14th-year chairman and CEO said of the stories about the delay of the post mortem. "The coach is not responsible for this. I wanted him to wait until I had a chance to think a little more about the season. … Your comments about the delay are valid. I take them for what they are. I should've gotten back to them earlier."
That being said, reporters still came at the duo rapidly and relentlessly, at least on the several occasions when multiple people had tough questions that they had to pose simultaneously.
Just as it was within their rights to ask all those questions, pertinent and impertinent, it was also within Rex's and Woody's rights to decline to answer every question directly. That's the way it is at all news conferences of this sort. Some topics can't be discussed at this time. Some can't be discussed at any time.
But reporters and fans can easily read between most lines. And the space between one set of lines was clearly legible when Ryan was asked twice early on about the unusual situation of the head coach staying and the guy above him coming in new to the organization, about Rex facing a "make-or-break situation" for the 2013 season.
"I'm pretty sure I'll have the exact same agenda as the general manager will have — that is, we want to win," Ryan said. "I don't know who the general manager is, but I promise you he wants to win as bad as I do. I look at this as a new beginning, just like it'll be a new beginning for the GM. That's how I'm approaching it.
"You're one of 32 men in this country who have this, you're in the NFL as a head coach. That is an unbelievable honor and a privilege, that's certainly the way I feel. But I'm excited. I do look at it as a beginning. We're going to be a dangerous football team, I can promise you that. How many wins and all that, I can't tell you, but you're not going to want to play the New York Jets. I know that's the mentality we're going take. That's what I'm looking forward to."
And reading further between those lines, you can call that Rex's bluster, or his supreme confidence in his own ability and in the people around him, but it's something that has further rubbed off on Johnson the four previous seasons.
"Having been in the business of football for quite a while, you can recognize talent when you see it," the owner. "I'm expressing my confidence in Rex. The only way you're going to get better is by admitting what you haven't done so far. Rex knows where he wants to improve and I believe him. He took us two years to a very high level, and it was just a question of whether we made it all the way in those years. I have confidence in Rex as a head coach, as a leader, as a motivator, as a playcaller.
"My confidence in Rex, I've stated a number of times," the owner said later. "I think the general manager, whoever we select, it's very important that he has to have a good relationship with Rex, which I'm sure he'll have. That's the GM's job, and that's all I'm going to say on that. We're going to have all the pieces to put something really great on the field, led by Rex."
All this being said, it was Jerry Glanville who I recall was the first to say NFL stood for "Not For Long." So there's no timeline for Ryan, no leash in the hall closet, no lame duck under glass on the menu. But there are a lot of front office and coaching shoes to fill, a lot of new players arriving, a lot of familiar names departing, some of their own volition, some not. The words today are fine, but a lot of work needs to be done for the Jets to be as dangerous as they can be.
Twenty-12 has finally been deep-sixed. It's on to 2013.
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By Jet Fan Since '64 Tom Watching the Wheels on Jan 8, 2013 | Reply
"Ryan, who conceded that he was concerned about getting fired, said he wants to be more aggressive and unpredictable on offense. In other words, ground-and-pound is dead. He wouldn't address the future of Mark Sanchez, but he said the quarterback position is open. "I have failed in that area," Ryan said of the Jets' offense during his four seasons. "For whatever reason, it's hard to see that, but I think it's clear that's where I've come up short." DUH, REX! Losers are people whose learning curve is slow or non-existent, and the words above are those of a loser. Nevertheless, I'm content to watch Woody and Rex take at least some steps toward being taken seriously, given what we've been subjected to for two yrs.
By Jet Fan Since '64 Tom Watching the Wheels on Jan 8, 2013 | Reply
This is certainly the best news of today's press conference BY FAR: "Team owner Woody Johnson and coach Rex Ryan said Tuesday that Mark Sanchez's contract will not be a determining factor in who starts next season. Sanchez is guaranteed $8.5 million next season whether he starts or not. "The financial part of it will not have any of the considerations for it," Ryan said. "We'll play the player that fits what we do best." Now all we have to do is change the definition of "what we do," i.e. adjust to the fact that this is a pass-first league and the best passer in that league plays for the team ahead of us in the division.
By Jet Fan Since '64 Tom Watching the Wheels on Jan 8, 2013 | Reply
GaryC, I'm posting on this story because no one should have to scroll thru 350 posts for a response. Yeah, I'm not too anxious to see the other Ryan in Florham Park but I'm mildly optimistic after today's presser. Worst case scenario, Woody insists on putting Rex in a very awkward situation for a yr before getting fired because, as Lombardi said on the NFL site, we're not "close" to anything but another 6-10 yr and we're not going to the SB just by picking up a few guys. Best case scenario, Woody just doesn't want to pay out that many ex-employees this yr, has been told the QB field in weak both in the draft and FA, and is planning the really big changes for 2014. Either scenario's a lot better than what we were facing last yr at this time.
By cgb on Jan 8, 2013 | Reply
rex looked a little nervous at first,maybe he thought woody would have second thoughts about keeping him.what has taken him so long to figure out you need a potent offensive attack in the NFL. He should know this of all people, he has to face opposing offenses every week, and we all know he is the mastermind to stopping these potent offenses. What gives rex. The new GM better set him straight on how you formulate a potent offense. The key in all this is who they decide on for OC. Then be patient, and work at player development.Thats the way you achieve consistant winning on a yearly basis.
By Jet Fan Since '64 Tom Watching the Wheels on Jan 8, 2013 | Reply
Ira, these are the kinds of realities we have to be focused on, not personal feelings about players or any undue consideration of what Rex wants. As far as I'm concerned, what Rex wants doesn't enter into it until this team is scoring 30 pts a game. From Cimini: "The Jets have gone 14 straight years without a top-10 offense, third-longest streak in the NFL."
By THUNDER LIPS on Jan 8, 2013 | Reply
WHAT A DISGRACE!!! read between the lines … Rex has been calling all the shots all along, tannebaum relied on rex for the personnel decisions. ttannebaum was the scapegoat. Anyone who disagrees with rex or gets on rex's black list is shown the door (something's up with Pettine) its going to be another 2 years of disfunction. The new GM is going to be simple substitute for Tanny. he will not have the power necessary to correct the mistakes. we dont need more rex we need no rex. we need a fresh start and a fire sale, not a punchline. hope I'm wrong but i am sure i am right. Thank you Woody. you have officially lost this fan. Football Sundays will be much less stressful now. THUNDER LIPS OUT.
By Karan on Jan 8, 2013 | Reply
Definetly going to be QB competition, bring in someone who will push MS. A guy like Matt Moore or perhaps Jason Campbell. No guarantees for MS to be a starter anymore. I'm either for Norv Turner or Hue Jackson for OC. Looks like Gamble will avoid the circus, perhaps Caldwell will take the GM job. Crazy offseason coming. Thank you for firing Matt Cavanaugh, I feelbad for Tony Sparano, got the ax too soon and with limited players. But if a new OC is needed, why not, no complaints here. Whatever you guys do, make re-signing Landry number one on your list of FA moves!!!
By Karan on Jan 8, 2013 | Reply
Rex seems different now, but I guess he has to act a bit more mature now even with the suit and tie. The bravados toned down. But do miss the old Rex who was passionate as hell his first two years. Hope this new Rex will be smarter than he has been the last 2 years.
By Ronbo19 on Jan 8, 2013 | Reply
RANDY, I know your not in a posisition to comment but after watching this fiasco of a press conference it was clear to everyone in that room that this was simply more of the same ole company nonsence! I was never a big fan of Mike Pettine as I viewed him as Rex's front man but at least he had enough sence to distance himself from this mess. Watching this it becomes obvious Woody is totally out of touch with his fan base and I have little doubt S.Cohen Tanny's former assistant G.M is the next unqualified guy to be promoted. WFAN radio is exploding with critism as fans are threatening to default on their PSL's and sue the Jets for incompetence.Just when you think it cant get any worse….
By SCfromNY on Jan 8, 2013 | Reply
Lot's of good things from the press conference but huge problems remain. It's great that salery will not determine the starting QB But do the Jets have the resourses to get a viable option not to mention with Rex and the Jets past will a good QB want to join the Jets. Other teams have turned it around in 1 year. I will withold any judgement until I see QC and players picked to fill holes. If we take a chance with young dynamic but unproven players or go down the road of 10m year vets near the end of NFL life. As a fan I wish for the best. BUT having watched decisions and performance the last 2 years I need to be convinced.
By Jet Fan Since '64 Tom Watching the Wheels on Jan 8, 2013 | Reply
"Maybe I misjudged the thing about 'No, I just want ground and pound,' that type of mentality. Maybe I bought into that more than I should have. Maybe I needed to be more open-minded and look at things a little differently. We have to have it, have that kind of mentality," of attacking and unpredictability in all three phases." Maybe you're just forty yrs behind the times on O, Rex, like cgb says. Oh well, better to admit it late than never. Karan, the old Rex and his "bravado" did nothing but make every player on every team in the NFL want to beat us that much more. This new Rex actually sounds like something approaching a smart HC with more on his mind than just running his mouth and "running the ball."
By Mike Jet Vet on Jan 8, 2013 | Reply
Thunder Lips, I didn't read it that way at all, Rex was humbled and very accommodating not his usual open mouth and insert foot scenario in my opinion,here's what I read into it. New GM will have control and you will coach on a short leash, Sanchez will not have full reign at QB, I believe Sanchez will rework his contract mark my words, Bad part of all this was Rex saying losing Holmes was a big part of our demise, I believe he wouldn't have been a factor either way. why you ask? because look what he did last season sulked and sold out when Ball wasn't thrown his way
By Mike Jet Vet on Jan 8, 2013 | Reply
Cont. and now he's injured, no way this team was going any where this season this was obvious at the end of preseason..
By Dr. Frank Falcone, Jr. on Jan 8, 2013 | Reply
At this rate, why not make Rex the coach and GM, since it seems he is making all the personnel and coaching decisions already. Then, next year when he fails, we can really start from scratch across the board. Who knows, if his brother gets fired from the Cowboys, Rex can hire him as DC, as there is something up with Pettine. Why doesn't he want to come back?? Two mistakes I see is that they promoted the assistant ST coach and strength coaches. I think they should have gone outside the organization to find new people for these positions. Also, instead of drafting a QB to replace Sanchez now as the Starter, why not get personnel to compliment Tebow and and OC to compliment Tebow's strengths and finally give him a chance to start for a
By Dr. Frank Falcone, Jr. on Jan 8, 2013 | Reply
whole season. You already have him under contract. Get rid of Sanchez somehow, as he is finished as a starter in NY, and get a back up who can play in a style of offense that is suited to Tebow in case he fails. Someone like Michael Vick would do nicely, or even possibly Jason Campbell. That way, Tebow either sinks or proves he can be a QB in the NFL. Either way, we will be able to move forward from what we have now. I am thinking next year will be a waste anyway, so why not try something different to try and win. If it doesn't happen, then we blow up the team and coaches and start from scratch in 2014. By the way, I am not a big Tebow guy, but at least with the above we can see if he can really play QB and not be just a phenomenon.
By Charliejet on Jan 8, 2013 | Reply
Tom 64 – Love your" Watching the Wheels" reference (John Lennon)
But I dunno – Rex is a real good salesmen talking a good shtick of pool here. Honestly folks wouldn't you have felt better seeing a new face (Lovie Smith) saying the same exact word Wrecks said today? I'm sorry but Wrecks credibility is shot for this Jets fan. Blah, Blah, Blah……….
By DKM on Jan 8, 2013 | Reply
Well, one thing i got to grant Woody he is consistent either in failure or if you like success. No one is willing to throw the other one under the bus, thats fine, and not taking responsebility has become quite a steady formula for this Franchise. So we will put up another year with this nonesense or maybe 2 or 3 or whatever or even 15 as Rex likes to say. I got tired, as you can tell from my recent mass posting over the last season, to comment on the nonesense Rex was feeding me after every game, after every loss a different mimick with the same lines. And today i have to say it was the same thing only with a different TAN.
By DKM on Jan 8, 2013 | Reply
Are the Jets the only Franchise that trys to reinvent how to do business in the NFL, cause i dont see 31 other Teams doing it. There must be something im missing here or Woody really has Parcells ears and he must have told him, let your coach BUY the grocerie stick nonesense and if not, you cant tell me, you find a respectable GM who wants this job. This has to be a one and done for REX otherwise what are you doing ? This, in my humble opinion and in delight of the TATTOO AFAIR Rex's sucsess here is clearly tied to MS and if he cant find somebody who can straigthen him out we will have both of them for at least another year, think about it otherwise the logical choice would have been to let go of all them.
By DKM on Jan 8, 2013 | Reply
My bat the jets will NOT draft a QB this year but certainly are willing to give away a couple of picks to find a another one to back up Sanchez, why a couple? Cause everyone else in the Leauge knows we desperate and will overpay notice i said WILLING that doesnt mean it happens. I just got nothing out of this spectacle today nothing just a little more distress and uncertainty as SEASON TICKET HOLDER, and whole bunch of the same squabblee ive been listening to. Like BLINKA likes to say who am i and who is listening anyway.
By joeyjets12fla on Jan 8, 2013 | Reply
Just got back from a 1 month vacation for the holidays. I hope everyone in Jetsnation had a Merry Christmas and a Happy New Year. I'll be commenting come draft time. Keep up the good work Ira,Jet Fan Since'64 Tom,Tom Spicer,Gary C,SC from NY,kleckofan,scjoe,Bennett, and Randy Lange.
By DKM on Jan 8, 2013 | Reply
Bennett i like reading you post as much as the other ones but i have to chime in on the QB conversation, thats nice to draft the likes of RG3, Cam Newton, Mike Vick or any other QB with the ability to run for his live and it certainly looks better than the STUFF (i would like to use a different term) weve been watching for the last 4 years but how long does it really last 3 maybe 4 years and its totally exiting for the FAN base with nothing to show for and than these guys are so banged up that they cant play football anymore, there was a reason why Shanahan took Cousins in the later rounds cause he knew RG3 cant stay on for 16 game season nevermind doing it for 10 years.
By DKM on Jan 8, 2013 | Reply
My tolerance for REX has absolutly worn thin and i like him when he came here but if he considers this a new begining how about we starting with less press and wiser statements and less promises and smarter Football decision cause now you cant hide behind a inept GM anymore. I know the cap is going to be a issue but getting somebody in here who knows how to handle these things schould be able to make the best of it and let me tell you not being a competative Team next year is NO exuse for me to be bad. If there is arcording to our HC good enough talent on this team than we should be right in it. OR are we just mouthing off, and than what, where is the acountability?
By GaryC on Jan 8, 2013 | Reply
Jetfantom,be optimistic,rex sounded like we are going to be the GREATEST SHOW ON TURF,AFTER BEING THE GREATEST SHOW ON EARTH.
By DKM on Jan 8, 2013 | Reply
JFS64 total ineptniss was the slogan of today and we fans waited for this a whole week, get this 7 days longer then any other team who didnt make the PO WHOOAAA we must be really SPECIAL, sometimes i think Ownership thinks the same of us JETS FANS to.
And by the way what was the the reference to the Offense not reflecting over the last 4 years what he wanted it to be, until last year self admitingly you said you had no clue and you should been involved a little more oh boy now that you are a new coach im interested what the O will look like and how stelar and awesome it will be, almost compareable to your defense, does it mean we all of a sudden get to see the OC Rex Rayn we never seen hhhhheeeee. Have i been missing something here.
By harry-o on Jan 8, 2013 | Reply
it's as if Rex is a made guy
woody said he's untouchable
new GM answering to the HC
some one gonna get wacked.
By MIKE on Jan 8, 2013 | Reply
I usually liked to watch press conferences. Not any more. Rex is so full of it. Just watching his body language during the losses and blowouts was enough for me to realize that this guy has zero credibility and knows that the ship is going down because of his personnel decisions and game decisions. Don't get me wrong, Tanny had to go because of those ridiculous contracts to unproven players and headache players.
Just in, Rob Ryan fired.
By GaryC on Jan 8, 2013 | Reply
they just announced Rob Ryan out as Dallas coordinator,like I said on the previous blog,if Jerry Jones fired him,Rex might be there to hire him.
By DKM on Jan 8, 2013 | Reply
Well Jets Nation another Teams loos is the JETSES gain. DC ROB RAYN out in DALLAS, the Family coup will be complete. Here we go with ERA of the RAYNSASTER.
By since shea on Jan 8, 2013 | Reply
It actually hurts to hear Woody be so vocal in his support for Rex. But, as I said on the last thread, Woody cannot leak it out that Rex is a lame duck or has certain parameters on him for survival. Its not over. The new GM will not be a puppet to Rex. Dont underestimate Woody. He's not stupid. Rex is short term just like MS whether or not his contract is renegotiated. As for CAP space, the 2013 salaries (same players from this year) would be $17mil over the 2012 CAP. 2013 CAP has not been established. Including Tebow and some others, $35 can be saved easily. Renegotiations can add more room. The 2013 CAP will be higher than 2012. Dont despair. We can get quality needs signed. GM must get it right.
By Jet Fan Since '64 Tom Playin' Those Mind Games Forever in Jetland on Jan 8, 2013 | Reply
Hope you like this name, Charliejet, and just so you don't think I'm gettin' soft, as Dylan said on "If You See Her Say Hello," I also completely agree with this from O'Connor: "The Jets are a weak franchise under a weak owner. A great-grandson of a Johnson & Johnson co-founder, Woody is a neighborly, born-on-third-base guy who has no clue how to reach home plate. He so badly wants to be buddies with the tatted-up Ryan, so badly wants to be that nerdy physics professor welcomed into the locker room by the popular coaches and jocks, he's allowed Rex to not only have a say in the appointment of his next boss, but to survive a startling confession that should've gotten him fired on the spot." But it's clearly next yr or out for Rex now.
By Jet Fan Since '64 Tom Playin' Those Mind Games Forever in Jetland on Jan 8, 2013 | Reply
Woody may well be a weak owner or anxious to hang with the jocks, but here's what I think happened: Woody said to Rex you've failed on all the important levels and we looked like a joke since Thanksgiving. I'll give you one more yr to prove that you know how to coach on all sides of the ball, draft and use players, work with coaches who know more than you about aspects of the game, and keep your team motivated thru 16 games. If you can do all that, I MIGHT let you back the yr after, when I have the really BIG plans for rebuilding. If you can't, I don't want you around when I completely remake the team from the ground up." Now all we need to do is convince Woody to sell to Curtis Martin and his group of investors if next yr is a debacle…
By scjoe on Jan 8, 2013 | Reply
I have said this before, but after today's presser I will say it again, Rex is just not a very good liar! He just seems so transparent when trying to tell a tall tale. Don't know how anyone left this press conference believing that Rex has final say on personnel decisions. He hasn't had that luxury all along and according to WJ, he wont have it going forward either. Blame Ryan for the on field fiascoes, but blame Tannenbum for the personnel decisions.
By since shea on Jan 8, 2013 | Reply
Its almost funny to hear Francesa fueling the fires and causing some moronic giants fans to call and trash Rex and the Jets. Francesa and Parcells and Mr T and Sparano. Get the sour grapes? I am not buying it. Rex isnt controlling a dam thing. I've spoken with Pettine a few times. He's got Jersey roots and friends. Some blame him for being the mole in Florham Park. He just wants out from the lunacy over there. He doesnt want to be tainted like the rest. There will be a clean sweep and we will start over again. We need a good football man like Denver got for themselves in Elway. He will bring us the coaches we need and the smart player development that has been lacking.
By scjoe on Jan 8, 2013 | Reply
Ron, right there with you on NOT selecting an O lineman at #9 overall. That would be mistake # 1 with the new regime. The way the draft is unfolding so far, it should be OLB at 9. OR, if a junior dynamic RB happens to declare that would also be an option. Rounds 2, 3 and 4 should be QB, OL, S, in the best order possible. If it is in fact RB at 9, then OLB, QB, OL. Imagine hitting home runs on those selections at those positions?
By Modog 57 on Jan 8, 2013 | Reply
This is my first post after being a fan of the site for the last 5 or 6 years and a long suffering Jet fan since '85. I was upset although not entirely surprised by this year's debacle. We need talent pure and simple. We need a GM who consistently analyses players and delivers dedicated and talented players. It really is that simple. Green Bay is competative because they have talent. New England is successful because they have talent. It isn't rocket science but it does help to be prepared, stockpile picks and have a professional organization intact when lightning in a bottle does strike, ie Tom Brady in the sixth round. That being said, I like Rex. I think he has his faults, but he game plans as well as anyone in the league and understands
By Modog 57 on Jan 8, 2013 | Reply
how to motivate players. It is up to the 53 men who constitute the team to execute those game plans. I'm glad he's coming back. They almost ran TCoughlin out of NY a number of times and look what they would have sacrificed. This organization needs some continuity of leadership and it needs talent on the offense like it has cultivated on the defense. It is obnoxious that they are portrayed as losers and the circus soap opera has to stop. Rex did more in his first two years than any other coach since Weeb for heaven's sake, including Bill Parcells, the poster boy of ADD. If you want to stroll down memory lane and remember what a true clown organization looks like, let's reflect on what it was like to root for a team led by Rich Kotite.
By Russell on Jan 9, 2013 | Reply
I am so thankful that I didn't purchase those PSL's and renew my season tickets when the Jets/Giants built that new stadium. That press conference was a joke, just like the regular season was and just like the post game conferences were. The Jets fire the GM, the OC, the QB coach, the DC is interviewing with Buffalo and the sole survivor is Rex Ryan. There's alot of work to do this month. East-West Shrine Game is on the 19th and the North-South Senior Bowl is on the 26th. Free agency ought to be fun. Salary cap cuts, signing our own free agents and so on. Then comes the draft, where it will get screwed up again, as usual. Rex can't handle being the coach, never mind the GM and it charge of player scouting and personnel.
By Jet Fan Since '64 Tom Playin' Those Mind Games Forever in Jetland on Jan 9, 2013 | Reply
I think we're back in "The only two crazy things you can do are overreact and underreact" territory. After a 1st 2 yrs of all kinds of inflated claims for Rex, now it seems almost all sportswriters, even in NYC, want to do nothing but ridicule him. Not that I don't think Rex deserves ridicule because he surely does. But I wonder where these guys were when it was obvious Rex had no clue on O, was inflating Sanchez's mediocre 1st 2 seasons out of all proportion, and had no grasp of building, maintaining, or growing a roster. Maybe I'm not as outraged over yesterday's press conference because, like scjoe says, if we don't get a great QB, WRs, and OL, none of this talk about Rex is gonna be worth a damn. Bring on the REAL rebuilding, Woody!
By Jet Fan Since '64 Tom Playin' Those Mind Games Forever in Jetland on Jan 9, 2013 | Reply
Welcome back, DKM, and please don't think your posts are futile. I think the dissatisfaction on this site has been heard loud and clear by the Jets brass. What's more, I think that shared dissatisfaction drives Jet fans to make bigger and bigger statements, like all these fans who are threatening to default on their PSLs. PSLs are, of course, the most evil thing to walk the Earth since at least Katy Perry (oh yeah, she came after), so I doubly can't blame fans for wanting to bail on them. There's nothing wrong with condemning a team when it's become a clown show, as that's often the only way anything changes. (Or as they used to say back in the day, "Power never cedes anything without a demand.")
By IRA on Jan 9, 2013 | Reply
Well i always thought Thurman would be the next in line for the DC and he should get the job. As for Rob Ryan well i could see him coming to the Jets as the DB coach. He has not done a great job with the Browns or Cowboys. Kotwica came as no surprise and i have mentoned Hugh Jackson for awhile now since Turner unless i am shocked will not come to the Jets.
As for yesterday maybe its not the answers fans want to hear but it was what expected. Rex is going to be Rex until he wins a SB or gets fired. Thats who he is and i can only hope he gets it with the O and they solve the QB spot.
Rex is a good HC who needs a good OC. As for the personnel decisions hope they get the right man and they can work together to fix a 6-10 team.
By Joe from PA Jet fan on Jan 9, 2013 | Reply
Very disheartening to see this press conference. As a business owner you would think Woody would want accountability from Rex and tell him publicly he's on a short leash and it's the GM's decision whether he stays. But no—he's involved in picking his own boss. How great is that? How many people here would get to pick their own boss if he got fired?? What a joke. Woody says he's listening to the fans—which fans, the Patriot and Dolphin fans who are laughing their butts off watching this mess make bad decision after bad decision. One thing this team has needed is discipline and that's not Rex's thing. It was time for a change.
By SCfromNY on Jan 9, 2013 | Reply
Choice for GM.
Choice for OC.
Chpoice for DC.
Choice for QB coach.
Players let go.
Players signed.
When all is over we will see how serious Rex and Woody are.
By Tom Spicer on Jan 9, 2013 | Reply
I did not listen to the presser. I do not have to words mean nothing to me. Woody & Rex will prove it in there actions. 1 Is woody willing to eat Sanchez contract? 2 Are they going to draft in the top 2 rounds or trade for a real QB for next year? 3 If they dont draft early or trade for a QB will there be a REAL competition between McElroy & Sanchez or is Sanchez going to play cause he makes all the money (or as Rex would say "he gives us the best chance to win") 4 Are they going to hire a qualified guy as the GM or are they going to just give it to Cohen? 5 Are they going to hire a OC who is proven & knows what he is doing? What happens with these questions will tell us if Woody & Rex are serious about WINNING!
By neauone on Jan 9, 2013 | Reply
I could care less about what beat writers have to say about the Jets. They have to write about something. They chase Rex around like dogs in heat, hoping somehow to get a story. So when there is no story, they conjure up sensation, the tatoo on Rex's body. WHO CARES! Now Rex is a sly old fox, he snookered poor Woody. Woody has stars in his eyes and has been sold a bill of goods by Ol Rexy. Rexy has hoodwinked the entire Jet organization YET once again. Oh, poor Woody. Rex since he's been here has done his best and came up short of two S.B. births. Give Rex a OL that can protect the QB, and one legitimate pass rusher and the Jets WILL make the playoffs. Fan's were shocked in 2012 when the Jets didn't address the OL in the draft.
By neauone on Jan 9, 2013 | Reply
It's been 2 years since we replaced this line with quality players and it has showed in wins and losses. Holmes (and I'm no great fan of his) complained he (Sanchez) doesn't have the time to throw. Isn't the sacking of McElroy a team record 11 times enough for us to know we need some badly needed talent on the OL? The Jets are NOT THAT BAD. Do we need an infusion of talent? Yes, do we have to rebuild? No, Should we keep deferring money to make cap space? No. There are some hard decisions to make concerning personnel who stays and who gets traded. But these beat writers have the Jets at football grave yard.
By Frank on Jan 9, 2013 | Reply
I never heard anything so funny in my life. Ryan is going to have input in the next GM. Gee I can't wait he has made so many great decisions already this should be awesome. Maybe he will convince Mike Ditka to be our next GM. You can bet your bottom dollar Sanchez will be back in training camp and they are going to say how much he has improved yada yada yada.
There is zero chance this team is going to get straightened out any time soon. It will be another year and another waste of time.
I like Woody but he has lost his mind. Rex is nothing more than a fantasy football fan grasping for straws in trying to figure out how to run a team. He is so absolutely clueless its astonishing. He is coaching by the seat of his pants.
By Frank on Jan 9, 2013 | Reply
Woody calling him a great leader and coach is hilarious. Great leaders don't lose their football team two years in a row. The team quit on him with 3 games to go both years. Great leaders make tough decisions Rex handling of Jamarcus Sanchez prrof in point. Great coach? Thats real funny since he brought in his guys and coaching staff he had gone 6-13 over the last 19 games and going in the wrong direction. Can you imagine!
By Beligerent Blinka on Jan 9, 2013 | Reply
Seems like many of you just read and listen to what the morons in the media have to say and repeat it.
They know nothing more than us.
Inside sources?? If a making a story from a figure of speach remark about being fired if they do not improve the offense is the best that they can up up with, then they have no inside sources.
Let's see what Rex can do with the team. The direct and immediate problem is our terrible QB. Let's see how they handle it. If it was me I would do everything to improve our running game. I don't think they can do anything at that position due to sanchez $ and the cap.
Improve the running game, take the ball out of his hands and find a new QB for '14.
Eh, who care what I think.
By Jet Fan Since '64 Tom Playin' Those Mind Games Forever in Jetland on Jan 9, 2013 | Reply
Yeah, Frank, the part about Rex's leadership was really funny given the team quit on him 2 yrs in a row and even the guys he loves like Holmes, Cro, and Scott don't know how to keep their mouths shut on or off the field. Then again, neither does Rex. DKM, I admit being a Jet fan, at least these days, takes a certain kind of patience and wisdom. By that I mean if we have to have another joke yr before Woody either fires Rex and really starts over or sells the team, that's better than nothing. But make no mistake, there's no way we're rebuilding to anything all that great by next December. And if we have another Butt Fumble yr, I wouldn't be surprised to see both Rex and the new GM gone in 2014. For this edition of the Jets, that's progress.
By Karan on Jan 9, 2013 | Reply
Even though I don't entirely agree with Rex, theres a comment I read the other day on some site by a fan, and I believe he makes a great point, in fact, best thing I've heard in while:
"Rex is not and never has been the problem, he's part of the solution, the HC job at the Jets has always been a short lived job because New York has no patience. He's the best defensive mind in the NFL and what he need is someone like Norv Turner to compliment him on the other side of the team. Sanche might not be the best QB by any standards but he still has the raw ability. With the poor QB turnout this draft we can't afford to lose him for some rookie in the off chance they're better. Get a proven OC in like Norv with exp of improving QB's and get…….
By Karan on Jan 9, 2013 | Reply
……….some better quality WR's in. And for god's sake lose Shonn Green. If the Jets want ground and pound then he just doesn't do enough to make that work, keep Powell and get a more explosive RB in."
By Jet Fan Since '64 Tom Playin' Those Mind Games Forever in Jetland on Jan 9, 2013 | Reply
Not hearing much from you the last couple days about that wave of the future in QB play based on read-op QBs, Bennettt, maybe you'll start that up again when RG3 takes the field in 2014? And has to put more emphasis on learning how to be a pocket passer? I don't know what you were smoking, you shoulda known that anything Rex gushes about on O is the opposite of where the real winners are going. Oh, and you can have those "called running plays" for Wilson and the "nice gains" they pick up. I'll take Brady, Manning, Rodgers, Brees and the like lighting up other teams thanks to pure passing skills and field smarts. Depressing to see how Jet fans have picked up Rex's habit of never admitting a mistake, no matter how absurd their position…
By scjoe on Jan 9, 2013 | Reply
Spicer is right, the only thing that I took out of that press conference were words! Who really cares what they said, the only thing that matters is what they actually DO! Some of you get so upset over what was said, stay calm, remember, it hit rock bottom in 2012, so every step they take from here on out has to be a better one, i.e., Tannenbum gone, Sparano gone, Cavanaugh gone, an admission (in so many words) that Sanchez ludicrous contract will not dictate who the starting QB will be, a top ten pick, 2 picks in the top 40, etc. I think it can be turned around in this off season, who the GM is going to be will be key!
By Jet Fan Since '64 Tom Playin' Those Mind Games Forever in Jetland on Jan 9, 2013 | Reply
Kimberly Jones has more courage than just about anyone writing on the NFL today: "On Tuesday, Ryan and Jets owner Woody Johnson turned a six-win season into a coronation. Ryan soon will hire his third offensive coordinator in as many years and promises, this time, to immerse himself in the offense more than ever. This, after he allowed Mark Sanchez to submarine the season with interception after predictable interception and covered his eyes to the failed Tim Tebow experiment. The owner's reaction? "I think Rex Ryan is perfect for the New York Jets." So there you have it. The circus, the headlines, the empty blather. Johnson likes it this way." See, Frank, sometimes it has to get worse before it can get better…
By Jet Fan Since '64 Tom Playin' Those Mind Games Forever in Jetland on Jan 9, 2013 | Reply
It's posts like those last two that lead some of us to still suspect you're a girl, Karan, if admittedly not an honest, well-informed grown woman like Kimberly Jones. Jet fans aren't impatient and they'd welcome an owner who built a dynasty primarily thru the draft, but that hasn't been done LITERALLY since we drafted Joe Namath and the guys, particularly on O, who won the SB. As for Norv Turner, I could live with him but he has no magic wand to correct Sanchez's array of deficiencies across the board. The real problem with some Jet fans is the one you have of sentimentally clinging to failed players long after they've been proven utterly inadequate. That's the problem our owner has with our HC, so like they say about the fish rotting…
By Frank on Jan 9, 2013 | Reply
Clearly this is about economics and in a sadistic way I think Woody has decided to keep Rex and without saying Sanchez also. The next move is to hire Cohen who is already on the payroll and when this implodes again next season he can clean house on everyone.
I will be shocked if Turner of Cameron come any where near the titanic with everything so tenuos.
By Byrdman on Jan 9, 2013 | Reply
Karan – did you copy&paste that comment off a Sanchez groupie site? Think about how absurd their logic is " Sanchez… still has RAW ability" Going into his 5th full season he's RAW ? If Mark is the starter in 2013 fans will literally boo themselves horse – then boycott the games entirely!
I think it was Kris Jenkins who said it best about Sanchez, he noticed that Mark was more like a teenage boy primping and posing in front of the mirror than an NFL QB. GQ and Baywatch themed photo shoots were politely laughed off by guys like Aaron Rodgers. Mike Devito's recent comment is very enlightening "We'd have won more games with Tebow" Obviously Mike respects the leadership and drive qualities Tebow has in abundance, which Sanchez lacks.
By DKM on Jan 9, 2013 | Reply
Sorry Randy if Ian O'Connors language used was little harsh but his article made a lot of sense to me, and i didnt expect you to let it go thru so for anyone interested go to the espn website and look up his take on the presser yesterday and it pretty much sums up how I felt about it.
By BillsJets on Jan 9, 2013 | Reply
I can't believe that Woody is buying whatever Rex says. Rex Ryan sounds like a used car salesman. Woody make sure Rex doesn't approach you trying to sell you some land down in Florida. Hey Woody, you might as well go for the gusto and pick up his brother for Defensive Coordinator, Whadda ya gotta lose.
By Jet Fan Since '64 Tom Playin' Those Mind Games Forever in Jetland on Jan 9, 2013 | Reply
Sounds like the GM search ain't goin' so well: "The Jets reached out to Telesco after concluding their meeting with the first round of candidates — Falcons director of player personnel David Caldwell, 49ers director of player personnel Tom Gamble, Giants director of college scouting Marc Ross and Jets assistant GM Scott Cohen. Caldwell became the Jaguars' GM." Translation: Everybody but Cohen passed and Woody knows the fans, except for Ira, would revolt if Cohen was hired. All I know is, when a guy like Caldwell would rather go to the Jaguars than the Jets, this franchise has sunk about as low as it can get. And by the way, Karan, even Rex doesn't want ground and pound anymore, get with the program!
By Jason on Jan 9, 2013 | Reply
with the direction this team has been going in terms of players. Think about it. Are there any players on this team that a fan can get excited about? There aren't very many high character guys let alone fan favorites. Those guys were let go for nothing (Woodhead, Brad smith, Leon washington, Braylon) and we were stuck rooting for guys that deep down we didn't even really like (Santonio, etc.). The new GM has to be better about keeping guys that have talent and haven't been given a full shot. We can't drop a woodhead because we are too loyal to a player that should be gone.
Also, can we get chad pennington back somehow? Make him the backup qb if he wants, or QB coach eventually.
By GaryC on Jan 9, 2013 | Reply
jetfantom,had the same thought about Bennett,maybe he is in oblivion now that his Agenda,RG3 is no longer around,He will probably start posting about Wilson,you are right there,Like he said my thougts were crazy,like maybe when I said RG3 wouldn't last,Sparano would be gone,And Jerry Jones could let Rob Ryan go.All of those thoughts really turned out crazy.
By GaryC on Jan 9, 2013 | Reply
JetFanTom,Bennett's best line was that my posts weren't worth reading and then he says I will read them if I want,even if you don't want me too.
By DKM on Jan 9, 2013 | Reply
I have a psl license and im a faithfull season ticket holder and I agree JFS64 it is easyer to get rid of them (hahaha) then to hold on to them, but like I said, in previous posts, if you hold on to them and dont show up for the games it is a much more an affective way of showing your owner that he doing something wrong than dumping them, and I also understand that not everybody can afford that.
Its just so mindless that we have to sit thru another year till Woody realizes that he should have cleand the house from the start or that the signs where there a year ago and that MS mentally will never be a QB in this league.
By Stevesc on Jan 9, 2013 | Reply
Karan, I don't agree with getting rid of Sean Green. I know he is not the explosive break away runner that everyone pines for, but he is still better than any back now on the roster. I know a thousand yard season isn't what it use to be, but he has accomplished it two years now behind a bad offensive line. I do think that he may not be the feature back, but if the Jets did get one, I'd sure like SG coming off the bench to spell him. I don't see McKnight ever being a feature back, but do see a lot of potential in Powell. IMHO.
By Tom Spicer on Jan 9, 2013 | Reply
I am going to play GM for the Jets for a minute so bare with me. With the help of Newyorkjetscap.com I crunched some numbers. This is the best way for the Jets to put the best players on the field with the talent we currently have, to keep our key free agents & with our cap MESS to be competitive without signing any big free agents cause we just dont have the money to. We are $20,000,000 over the cap the cap will be ruffly $120,000,000 next year. We will cut Bart Scot, Calvin Pace, Jason Smith & Eric Smith. This will save about $30,000,000 in cap space putting us under the cap & giving us about $10,000,000 to sign our free agents. The additional cust that I am suggesting are as follows. 1 Pouha he will be 34 in a month. He missed 5 games &
By Tom Spicer on Jan 9, 2013 | Reply
played like a shell of himself in others. 2 Tebow we are not getting anything for him 3 Josh Baker & Hayden Smith our 4th & 5th string TE'S. By cutting these 4 guys it will generate 3.5 MIL for free agents. Landry offer him $4 MIL per year on a 3 year deal. Keller offer him a 5 years deal at $3 MIL per year. Braylon offer him a 1 year deal for $1 MIL (he will take it). Yerimiah Bell offer him a 1 year deal at $1 MIL a 100k pay cut at 38 he will take it. Slauson offer him a deal for 2 years at $750k per year a small raise. Devito offer him a 3 year deal at $1MIL per year it is a $400K raise for him. Moore offer him $2.75MIL per year for 3 years (same $ he is making now). All our key free agents will be resigned with this.
By Tom Spicer on Jan 9, 2013 | Reply
Next year switch to a 4-3 D 1 based of of not having the 3 key positions for the 3-4 no stud nose tackle & no pass rushing 3-4 OLBS. The starters are as follows Safteys Bell & Landry, Corners Revis & Cromartie (best secondary in the NFL) LB'S MLB Harris OLBS Davis & Mcntire. DTS Devito & Kenrick Ellis. DE'S Coples & Wilkerson. Coples & Wilkerson are the young up & comers on this D as 3-4 DE'S Coples had 5 1/2 sacks as a part time player & Wilkseron had 5. Coples needs to play all game. Get Wilkerson to lose 15 to 30 pounds to get his speed up so he is down to 300 to 285 LBS. Put Coples & Wilkesron in the best postion for them to excel. I think as a 4-3 end playing full time Coples is a 10 sack a year guy & Wilkerson is a 8 sack guy.
By kleckofan on Jan 9, 2013 | Reply
Is Kim Jones married? I think I'm in love.
As I wrote yesterday after seeing the 1st 5 mins of the presser (turns out its all that was needed): 1)Woody loves Rex, even as the man sits next to him and admits failure (would Woody allow this from a J&J plant mgr?)2) Rex has no clue what a vision for a team is, goes from one idea to the next, 3) you don't get to hit the reset button "I consider this day one, a fresh start…" reallly? what do you do about the wasted 4 yrs, was it a bad dream?4) employees should never have input into who their immed' boss is 5) you can't sit there and say the O wasn't represenative of you when you have no clue about the subject 6) an agressive unpredictable O could not be run w Sanchez at the helm cont…
By kleckofan on Jan 9, 2013 | Reply
7)Rex had more control then we imagined and most of us feared. 8) Rex will continue to have too much power.
The whole mess reminds of the inept, lying politicians in DC. Treat the folks that line their pockets like idiots and make no effort to even hide their contempt. Listen to the SNY guys, Lucas and Klecko, they are telling it like it is.
Can you tell I was less than thrilled w the latest broadway show?
I do not believe for a second that sanchez is not the favorite to start next yr in spite of the guarantee that $$ wouldn't be a determining factor. Right?
By Tom Spicer on Jan 9, 2013 | Reply
On O based off of my above suggestions the line would be the same as last year (we will need a better 2nd year form RT Howard). The pass catchers are as follows Holmes, Braylon, Kerley, Keller & Hill as WR #4 we are set there. Let Greene walk as a free agent. Go into next year with Powell & McKnight at RB & Sanchez & McElroy at QB. Now to the draft as SCJoe said we have 2 picks in the first 41 picks. I suggest we take a QB & RB with those 2 picks. For example go into camp with Geno Smith QB West Virginia (9th pick), Sanchez & McElroy in a 3 way battle for QB. Also Jawan Jamison RB Rutgers (41st pick), Powell & McKnight in a 3 way battle for the starting RB. We are not going to be players in free agency the top of the draft has to be on O.
By GaryC on Jan 9, 2013 | Reply
The Redskins really look like geniuses now,that Mr,Griffin,might not be back next year,at least to start the year,at least they drafted Cousins when people were questioning why.
By kleckofan on Jan 9, 2013 | Reply
The fact that coaches who are viewed as standouts in their field are declining contracts with us may be symptomatic; first Callahan and now Pettine. You might surmise that Callahan had enough of Schotty, but Pettine is a "Rex guy". Dysfuction drives off talented employees.
Also, a couple of posters have said they thought Rex was more professional and had less bravado. That's not what I saw. He said, twice, "no one is gonna wanna play us, we'll take nothing from anyone, won't be bullied..". Enough already w the "we're the toughest" "I won't kiss rings etc" is there an inferiority complex at work? Tough is great; talented, intelligent and tough is better.
By kleckofan on Jan 9, 2013 | Reply
I'll give Rex another chance (just like Owe-bama is still the President), but did Woody not notice the confusion we had getting personnel packages on to the field, the elapsed play clocks, the imprudent time outs, not suiting up a backup QB when one had broken ribs, suiting 6 WR's and only 2 QB's (really only 1 you'd actually play) when your starter was imploding?
The failure of finding an effcient, innovative offense two yrs in a row? Sanchez?
The Woody love of Rex looks like the next domino in the chain following the tile with the Rex love of Sanchez. Sanchez loves Braylon. Braylon loves…..Braylon.
By Ronbo19 on Jan 9, 2013 | Reply
FRANK, Great post you said it all. I dont know what SPICER & S.C.JOE (2 guys I
like a lot) are smokeing but I agree with you 100%! If you dont care about the words spoken at that press conference you are deluding yourselves! The new stratagy set forth yesterday guarantees at least one more year of lunacy! Other than yesterdays press conference my worst nightmares are Scott Cohen promoted to G.M. Tradeing our 1st/ Rd pick #9 in this years draft for Alex Smith or
Matt Flynn, hireing Rob Ryan as D.C. & of course, everyone (but Karan's) ultimate nightmare, bringing Sanchez back! YIIIIKKKKKKEEEEESSSSS! somebody wake me up please!
By Allan O'Dane on Jan 9, 2013 | Reply
So let me get this straight….Rex will have some input on the new GM being hired.. So why does this team have an owner? Why would anyone want to come here knowing that the COACH has that much power? You know..this just seems like a real bad dream that you can't wake up from. Now all we have is a puppet GM and things will only get worse. 64tom you are right….sometimes it has to get worse before it gets better…
By kleckofan on Jan 9, 2013 | Reply
I forgot to mention this tidbit to support the "delusional" diagnosis for Woody.
He stated during the presser that he believed that his keeping Rex would be "viewed as a positive by potential GM candidates". Are you kidding me? I don't care who the coach is, even a successful one, a new GM wants to make that decision without exception.
OK, I know, the Patriots GM (Reese maybe?) decides to walk into the sunset and the new GM has no problem keeping Bill…I'll give you that one.
By scjoe on Jan 9, 2013 | Reply
Ron, I'm surprised at you. You never take what a HC, a GM, an owner OR a politician says at face value! You know that! Do you remember Tannenbaum saying how Pennington was his QB long term, right up until the day he was released to make room for Favre? Do you remember Rex praising Woodhouse right up until the day he was released? Do you remember all the Tebow talk? Just a few examples off the top of my head. Ron, truth be told, these people don't always tell you the truth at their press conferences, if you believe otherwise, THAT would be deluding yourself.
By GaryC on Jan 9, 2013 | Reply
pray that Rob Ryan's big mouth does not prevent him from getting a gig,His arrogance almost makes it easier to tolerate,Rex.
By scjoe on Jan 9, 2013 | Reply
kleckofan, I hear you about the time management, the unnecessary time outs, the personnel packages etc. But most of that was on the offense, it was on Tony Sparano, A competent OC with a much clearer vision of play calling and personnel packages would resolve all of that in a NY minute. Truth is, Rex don't really have to be as involved in the offense as many believe, he would not be alone in that shortcoming, you can say that about most defensive minded HCs
By GaryC on Jan 9, 2013 | Reply
Ronbo19,your a draftnik like I,the mention of Tyler Bray by people scares me,look at him,this guy is a clone of Erik Ainge,same size,weight,arm and school,look at old Erik Ainge tapes on Youtube.
By SCfromNY on Jan 9, 2013 | Reply
As I've said before, I will hold my exasperation until I see the management and coach spots filled.
For the select delusional few that think Norv Turner, Chad Pennington, or Dan Marino could "fix" Sanchez please study more. It is not his mechanics or ability to throw the ball. He has no ability to read a defense. He has no leadership ability. He is prone to sulking. Four years of Rex patting his head makes him think he is so much better than he is. Certain things can NOT be taught. I have compared him to a Jeff George with less talent. No emotional leadership or toughness. An excuse machine.
By since shea on Jan 9, 2013 | Reply
The 2012 salary cap was $130 mil, not 120. It will be more than 130 for 2013. The current player projected salaries is 147 but that will be dramatically reduced through cuts and restructure. The no brainer cuts alone will bring a 35mil savings. If you figure salary reduces to 112 on whats left of the roster, we would be about 20mil under the assumed 2013 cap of 132mil. Thats 20 mil to play with before restructuring. We need to add OL and TE and OLB and NOT merely replace positions we already have. 20 mil can do that and help towards resigning some of our own FA's and then there's Revis. Need to do alot of restructuring and wise selections.
By Mike Jet Vet on Jan 9, 2013 | Reply
Guys Guys, I'm listening to all this talk about Woody giving Rex so much control. Open your ears and Eye's, I understand the anger at Rex for sticking with Sanchez to long,Lord knows no one is as angry as ME, Put it in perspective though, Rex wearing a suit not a sweatsuit on his best behavior. Woody interrupting Rex the minute he said one word off script.. I'm willing to give Rex one more year based on his first two, I'll explain, We all agree no matter who the coach next year it will be a rebuilding year, Being Rex took us to two AFC Championships his 1st 2 ..I believe we should give him the benefit of doubt, he shouldn't be punished for loyalty. So I say Lets see what happens with the draft, players returning, CONT…
By Mike Jet Vet on Jan 9, 2013 | Reply
CONT. which coaches we hire, than hopefully he will get back to winning ways I say it can't hurt any more than this team and us Fans are hurting now. Remember he gave us the best back to back seasons than any other coach in Jet history including the tuna, That my friends in my book is reason enough for me giving him another shot. Rather than a crap shoot on our next coach … IN MY OPINION
By Mike Jet Vet on Jan 9, 2013 | Reply
Truth be told …remember, it wasn't Rex out there fumbling and stumbling the ball away 3-4 times a game it wasn't Rex over or under throwing wide outs, It wasn't Rex throwing Int's in the red zone most every game, It wasn't Rex who has the worst QB rating in the League. We were basically in almost every game until Sanchez's Rex is guilty of playing Sanchez far to long
By kleckofan on Jan 9, 2013 | Reply
I hope Randy didn't find this somehow too offensive…it was a joke.
A kid was nine or ten when his dad was coaching with an NFL team. In what would be every kid's dream the kid gets to go to practice, be on the sidelines, talk to players etc. One of these players is the greatest, most famous personality of the time, Joe Namath. Forty yrs later when the kid is deciding on a jersey number for a tattoo he picks…not Joe Willie, but Ja-Mark-us Sanchez! Unbelievable! Some tattoo options: add to the "6" to get: Randy Rasmussen, Herman,Grantham, Atkinson etc or add two more "6's" to make Sanchez's true number (see Gregory Peck in The Omen)
By DKM on Jan 9, 2013 | Reply
good point there kleckofan not to mention Jon Gruden, Bill Cohwer, Bill Parcells all coaches who WON SB's.
But just like i said the Jets trying clearly to change the Business model NFL, its not good enough any more to coach for 12 years go to the SB a couple of times and win it, no the new era of up and comming coaches dont have to proof anything and certainly not under a GM, we are now handing them the KEY to the CASTLE for going to PO twice lossing there and declare them Hall of Fame coaches and after 4 mediocre years pat them on the schoulder and tell them i like how you willing to admit your mistakes and get another chance for this matter.
By DKM on Jan 9, 2013 | Reply
this is what you get when you raise a generation of whimps and tell them we are all winners and in the end we all deserve a trophy, thats just what this looks like here, we allready trying to change the game, wait till the today generation grows up and old hardnosed coaches are retired you will have whole bunch of entiteld wineys playing the game and demanding equallity and three or four or five years so they can show that there capable.
And if you dont believe me join me one Sunday afternoon in Brookly to one of my sons varsity Football games. You be shocked the what you get to see.
By DKM on Jan 9, 2013 | Reply
makes you think what the rest of the leauge was thinking yesterday when we had our presser, turn of all phones, that job is not for me, with every candidates fleeing town it would absolutly not surprise me we dont get a viable GM hey we might even call MT and tell him sorry for the little hickup but you more than welcome to join our fine ORG. and we give you a raise for that little misscue.
On the other hand it will be the same for the OC vacancy unless you tell a guy like NT or CC there is a HC position to be had if it doesnt work out.OR we finally get to see REXes magic as OC.How did i miss that. I dont get how Woody does not consider that a circus.
By Jet Fan Since '64 Tom Playin' Those Mind Games Forever in Jetland on Jan 9, 2013 | Reply
Spicer, I nominate YOU for GM! Yeah, GaryC, Bennett definitely set the record by telling us the QB of the Future is a guy who in fact may have No Future. DKM, I'll leave you to make your own personal statement about the Jets as long as it doesn't come out anything like "Mark's the starter." Hilarious about Braylon, klecko, though I think there are still a few diehards on this site who for some strange reason believe he's the same WR he was for us in 2010. And yeah, Allan, a puppet GM is the biggest threat, that's what I've been trying to tell Ira, who for some reason isn't revolted by the thought of an ex-Mr T lapdog taking over. Like the Four Tops once said, "WAKE ME, SHAKE ME, WHEN IT'S OVER…SOMEBODY TELL ME THAT I'M DREAMIN'…!"
By Row on Jan 9, 2013 | Reply
Spicer, I just don't see why the Jets would go into camp with Sanchez. There isn't going to be this magic light flashing in his head that's going to make him better. He needs to be cut EOS. Keeping him will continue to deflate the team and NO ONE will want to play for the Jets. Look at Luck, Wilson, even the others slinging the ball out there.. I don't know what the fix would be, but somehow the Jets need to find a way to stop the run. The 4-3 idea seems like it might work, but Rex isn't a 4-3 coach. (not going to happen) Re-signing Devito is another bad idea. Letting Greene walk is fine with me, but Mcknight is cannot play on offense. I want a 1st round RB. Go Jets
By sal cottone on Jan 10, 2013 | Reply
Ira, Rex is far from a good head coach, and a bad player evaluator. Mr T had it coming, but it sounds like your trying to sell, it was all him and Woody on personel. Find that hard to believe, being T, was part of rebuilding this franchize prior to the Rex era . And i dont put this all on Rex either. But this was a talented team with good Depth few years ago, That Tatnebaum was part of building. He didnt dummy up overnight. Rex wants his guys in there, well he got them. And now with the cap issues, why would you give Sanchez a contract like he got. Nope we all saw this movie before, and will be in reruns soon enough, starting September
By Jet Fan Since '64 Tom Playin' Those Mind Games Forever in Jetland on Jan 10, 2013 | Reply
This ever-expanding list of GM candidates (a guy from the Montreal Alouettes?) tells us one of two things: Either this is all a ridiculous sham just to make us think they looked really hard before hiring Cohen — I can hear Rex now, "We just feel Scott gives us the best chance to win" — or nobody wants this job as long as they have to keep Rex for a yr, much less get his approval in order to be hired. This is becoming a little too much even for me. Unless we pull off a spectacular draft and a couple of big-time FAs, with the schedule we face next yr I might predict no better than 4-12. That might be okay if it moves Woody to sell or really rebuild, but you get a little tired at my age of watching a franchise stumble around so badly.
By IRA on Jan 10, 2013 | Reply
Tom ,Caldwell went to Jacks because he could pick his own coach that wasn't happening with the Jets. I think Angelo is a very good candidate and i am not sure why he hasn't been interviewed by other teams. I wouldn't mind seeing him getting the job or even Gaine. Still think if Cohen is at the top of the list and the GM has no say of the HC and it doesn't appear that he would have complete control over personnel then they should hire Cohen and give them all 1 year to get this headed in the right direction. And if not then next year clean house. Hard to imagine a top GM candidate wanting to take on this job and sit tight until next year to make changes.
By IRA on Jan 10, 2013 | Reply
Now that over a week has gone by i have had time to think about what is going on and it appears that the new GM will not be able to have control of the team then they should've just kept Mr T and Rex and given them both 1 year to get this right. Because i believe if Rex has a losing season next year he will be gone. I think Woody has created a real mess right now.
Two years ago this weekend we went up to Foxboro and beat the Pats and now look at where we are at. I knew the window closed the following week after they lost to Pitt.
By Ronbo19 on Jan 10, 2013 | Reply
ALLAN O &KLECKO FAN, Its because of guys like you I enjoy this blog. Its nice to see there are other out there who care about this team & want whats best for it.We can only wish we had an owner who felt the same way? An interesting thing happaned Wedsday as the Carolina Panthers hired a new G.M. who would have been a great choice for us. I mentioned this guy several times lately and suggested the Jets at least contact him to see if he was interested. I had the privelege to coach H.S football with him in the early 80's and we have been good friends since.Oh, bye the way,his name is Dave Gettlemen and he was Ernie Acorsi's asst. during his time with the Giants.Amazing he never got so much as a phone call from us?
By Chicago Bob on Jan 10, 2013 | Reply
I will tell you this, the mere fact the Jets are even considering Jerry Angelo as a GM candidate is making this look more ridiculous than ever. He was practically run out of Chicago because of his abysmal drafting. If you look at the Bears history of draft picks during his tenure, he makes Mike Tannenbaum look like Albert Einstein. Angelo's "career" with the Bears went from 2002-2011 with only 22 draft picks out of 82 total still on the team. I could do a better job drafting players by going off of the draft guide provided by Pro Football Weekly. As first I was willing to give the Jets the benefit of the doubt with this search process however it makes them look more ridiculous each day it goes on.
By Jet Fan Since '64 Tom Whom Nothing Surprises on Jan 10, 2013 | Reply
Jerry Angelo now? This is getting really interesting, in a perverse way. I'm not worried about the fact that Angelo actually thought Rex Grossman was a good QB because the Jets are such a laughingstock on O that anyone from the ball boys on up who doesn't put a major emphasis on QB play is gonna be ridiculed non-stop. Those of you who don't think what we say matters should remember what McKnight said about the booing of Sanchez having had an effect. The Boo Sanchez Insurance Policy should remain in effect so as to keep this guy from ever starting in green and white again. But back to the next GM, all that will matter next yr is scoring pts and winning more games. Anyone doesn't help usher that in will just be the next object of ridicule.
By scjoe on Jan 10, 2013 | Reply
I see a familiar name on the Jets "latest short list" of GM candidates, Omar Kahn, he is the Steelers director of football operations, I mentioned his name weeks ago here. Like Tannenbum he is a cap guy, but unlike Tannenbum he does it efficiently, and delegating duties is one of his strong points. One little tid bit to take from this, he has a very close relationship with former Steelers HC Bill Cowher, who by the way, just recently announced he wants to get back in to coaching in 2014. So, do the math!
By Karan on Jan 10, 2013 | Reply
Spicer, as much as I would love to see the Jets re-sign Landry, I don't think he will be starting on this team next season. The Jets do have the worst cap situation in the NFL currently. Even if they do release, and most likely will release, Pace, Scott, Thomas, the 2 Smiths, I don't know if they will have too much to work with. Landry will ask for a lot and they still have the Revis situation to deal with. Rex loves Revis so I don't know if a Revis trade would happen, I wouldn't mind it because the Jets were still 3rd or 2nd in pass defense I believe without Revis. Obviously, it would be great to keep both guys, I hope it works out that way. If it does, this is a dangerous secondary. Bell would be nice to have back too.
By Karan on Jan 10, 2013 | Reply
I'm all for either releasing Kyle Wilson or at least moving him into a 2nd tier safety.
By Karan on Jan 10, 2013 | Reply
Ah, I missed the rest of your post, you pretty much narrowed down the cap situation and salary positions.
By Karan on Jan 10, 2013 | Reply
I know he doesn't want ground and pound 64, that wasn't my statement! Lol, some fan who I thought made a great point on other things in that comment.
By Karan on Jan 10, 2013 | Reply
Hey y'all can say whatever regarding what I've mentioned about Sanchez, all I'm really saying is, there's still a chance to fix him.
By Karan on Jan 10, 2013 | Reply
New York fans never had patience with Eli. Sanchez is no Eli and probably never will be but you get my point.
By GaryC on Jan 10, 2013 | Reply
when it comes to the playoffs and super bowl,I will go with my ABTP THEORY,and this is for the Nfc and Afc, anyone but the patriots,and anyone but the packers.
By GaryC on Jan 10, 2013 | Reply
Kleckofan,you say inferiortiy with Rexy,I use to post about insecurity issues,I believe we are in the same ballpark.
By kleckofan on Jan 10, 2013 | Reply
JFT64, thanks for referring to the Kim Jones article on the NFL Network site.
If I could simply copy and paste the article here I'd never have to write another word! She absolutely nailed every point to be made following the Woody-Rex presser.
Check it out if you haven', its titled "Jets Still Talking the Talk After 6-10 Season"
By SCfromNY on Jan 10, 2013 | Reply
Karan, are you really Mark Sanchez??? Sometimes you just can't fix somebody. You can't take a loser and make him a winner and leader. If after 4 years HS, 3 years college, and 4 years in the NFL you have no ability to read a defense or throw an accurate pass under pressure you need to go to work for ESPN.
By GaryC on Jan 10, 2013 | Reply
I will know the jets are serious about winning when I see Scott lopped off this roster,Rex talks loyalty and dumping Scott will really challenge his beliefs in that category,if it doesn't happen,same old jets.
By kleckofan on Jan 10, 2013 | Reply
Lots of quick responses to many: MJV I think you're givin Rex way too much credit and not enough blame. 1st 2 yrs were someone else's team; hanging w Sanchez fro so long is unforgivable.
Ira- you may be right, w the mess Woody created keeping rex maybe we should give the job to Cohen and burn the whole thing to the ground next yr.
Row- could not agree more on cutting ties w Sanchez, he's not fixable and his intangibles are all negative
SCJoe- I'd take Cowher if only to get some order back in the ranks, he would have to have an OC w total control of the O though.
I too love Landry, but the NFL has taken away what makes him great. The Ronnie Lott's of the world are now 15 yd penalties, guaranteed. safeties must cover faster and bigger TE's.
By GaryC on Jan 10, 2013 | Reply
Spicer,this is for you on a previous blog with Joe Capps,when he said any team with Manning will win,ask him why Tennesse could never beat Florida for the Sec title when he was playing there.
By kleckofan on Jan 10, 2013 | Reply
I think the term they use out there in JFT64 land is "jumping the shark". I think it came from a sitcom series where the plot line got so ridiculous ending in an episode where someone water skiied over a shark.That moment for Rex-Tanny-Woody came w Brett Favre.Now I'm not saying I didn't enjoy the short term success and notariety, but hey I'm a fan. I think after that Tanny-Rex were chasing the quick fix again and again. Losing draft picks, losing depth, losing identity comes with that program.Rex doesn't have the patience to build something. When asked repeatedly how he would combine his seemingly short time to turn things around with a new GM who will be looking at long term changes Rex said, "we'll be the same, we will both want to win"
By Jet Fan Since '64 Tom Whom Nothing Surprises on Jan 10, 2013 | Reply
"Tom ,Caldwell went to Jacks because he could pick his own coach that wasn't happening with the Jets." Uh, duh, Ira, you think that isn't, like, the dumbest move ever, asking GMs to take Rex? You sound like a doctor calmly telling someone he has terminal cancer. I get the rest of your post but I don't see why you think Cohen or anyone else can have any real impact in only 1 yr. If we somehow got the best QB in the draft or FA, pulled off some miraculous deals to get 3 or 4 starters, and dumped half our roster, we'd still be lucky to go 8-8 with next yr's schedule. That's part of Woody's folly, refusing to make next yr the FULL rebuilding yr in order to be better in 2014 and 15.
By Jet Fan Since '64 Tom Whom Nothing Surprises on Jan 10, 2013 | Reply
Rex just talks, klecko, he has absolutely none of the makings of a HC, merely the stuff of a good DC when kept on a short leash. But both out here and where I grew up, back in NYC, talk often gets you a long way even if you have no talent. Karan, I wasn't sure you knew it was all over for ground and pound because, like Ira and a few others, you have this curious habit of talking about Rex and Sanchez as if anyone in pro football thinks they're anything but pathetic. That's the funniest part of Woody's rap, that everybody in the league knows Rex is a great HC. Read Cimini's column today on how Caldwell made clear immediately that JAX has no interest in Tebow at any cost to see what real football people talk and act like.
By Mike Jet Vet on Jan 10, 2013 | Reply
Kleckofan, It's not so much about credit than the thought of totally rebuilding from ground up. Personally I don't care for his antics either, But,I don't care who we hire as coach he won't repeat back to back AFC Championships, I'm willing to bet the farm on it.. Another thing he did it with Sanchez, Considering this team hasn't had serious depth since I can remember. and weren't very good before Rex, if you believe they were than your only lying to yourself..say what you want about Rex, Do I think Callahan, Westy. and Schotty had something to do with it darn right I do.. But Rex took what he was dealt and took us closer to 2 SB's than anyone else..That's a fact .That in my book gives him one more shot
By Row on Jan 10, 2013 | Reply
One question, not completely literal, but think about it. Who was the Jets first round pick this year? Difference maker? Why not a first round RB? Randy, when was the last time the Jets picked a running back in the first round? Forget the GM. What would this team do with a guy like Trent Richardson?
By Randy Lange on Jan 10, 2013 | Reply
Row, the Jets' last four first-round RBs were: 1971 — John Riggins (6th overall); 1981 — Freeman McNeil (3rd); 1987 — Roger Vick (21st); 1990 — Blair Thomas (2nd).
By Best Damn Jet Carl Barzilauskas on Jan 10, 2013 | Reply
Keep Tebow, Trade Sanchez Enough Said
By IRA on Jan 10, 2013 | Reply
Karan, You know how I feel about trading Revis. This team is so hamstrung with the salary cap they have no choice, You can't invest 90 mill in a CB when the team needs so much, I wouLd take a 2nd and 3rd and a player for him in a second if possible, They can wait until the trade deadline in Oct but they would be taking a big chance and I guarantee you if he hits free agency they will lose him and get nothing for him. If Gaine interviews well I think he will get the job if not then Cohen, Can't see Rex wanting a GM that would be a threat to him and someone he is not comfortable working with and the cap candidates forget it!
By IRA on Jan 10, 2013 | Reply
Just throwing this out there about Cowher. I do think he is an excellent HC but he has been out of the game since 06 and maybe his coaching legacy has grown and become a little overated over time. He has not done well in the big games losing 4 AFC Title games and one SB. I am not saying he is not the best one out there but I wonder if he is overrated? What does everybody think?
By since shea on Jan 10, 2013 | Reply
joe, you are spot on about Omar Kahn. The Jets would be ever so lucky to land this guy. Young, smart, a real good cap guy who can also identify talent. Comes from real good stock in a proven program that is battle tested over time. The guy from Montreal is no slouch either. I hear he is the Bellicheck of Canadian football. He must have a Brady too! But he does it all, draft, develop, do the financials etc. I will bet my PSL's that Rex is a lame duck, maybe not even make or last the year. And please, did someone say get Rob Ryan for DB coach? Are you kidding? This hasnt been enough of a circus for you?
By since shea on Jan 10, 2013 | Reply
Jerry Angelo would set us back 10 years. How many losing seasons have da'bears had with good personnel and a real home field advantage. Lovey may not get an interview. No. We dont need other teams failures. If we cant find our answer to an Elway calling shots, then find a young thoroughbred with good bloodlines and track record. Didnt the red sox do that with theo epstein?This young man from Pitt, Kahn, may be a good GM candidate. The time to rise above the stupidity and mediocrity is now.
By JetBlu on Jan 11, 2013 | Reply
I get it now. We've all been fooled. There is no Jet Organization. We've been watching a comedic reality show. Plot: The character known as "The Owner" is a rich guy needing a new toy, so he buys an NFL team. Clueless as he is on how to play with his new toy, he hires the son of an ex NFL Coach/Loudmouth/Bully. In the proceeding episodes we watch as the coach makes bold statements and predicts great things for the owners toy. He aligns himself with an unproven mistake prone user of the toy (QB) who breaks the toy every week. Nonetheless, the Coach keeps giving the toy back to he QB who breaks it again, and again. The Season ends in viewer disappointment and we are treated to 3 more seasons of what seem like re-runs. Cancel the show!
By IRA on Jan 11, 2013 | Reply
Just knew Turner wasn't coming to the Jets with the all the problems they have right now. I still think Jackson would be a solid hire and expect him to be the OC.
Still hard to believe how this offense has come to this when 2 yrs ago this weekend they beat the Pats and Sanchez had 3 Td's and ONLY 1 INT. You look back and boy oh boy how this mishandled him and the players on the O side of the ball and it has come to this with a QB that might not even be on the roster next year. They really need to have a stellar draft to get back on track because with the cap problems they have i can't see them being players in free agency at all.
This weekend i think the the winners are Pats, Broncos, Packers, and Seahawks.
By Jet Fan Since '64 Tom Who Used to Be Disgusted and Now Tries to Be Amused on Jan 11, 2013 | Reply
Great stuff from Serby in the POST and what I mean by next yr may have to be 4-12 or worse for real change to come: "The more you listened to Woody talk about what a leader and motivator Rex is, about how he's every bit as sophisticated as the NY Jets fan, about how prospective GMs have been instructed to keep Rex, about how Rex will somehow have input into finding that GM, the more you realized this wasn't merely a case of love is blind, this was a case study in the blind leading the blind. "I'm approaching this day like it's my first day as HC," Rex said. "This is a new chance for me. This is a beginning, it's certainly not an end." It is the beginning of the end, only he and the owner can't see it. And don't want to see it." EXACTLY!
By SCfromNY on Jan 11, 2013 | Reply
As I have always said the choices for GM and OC will for me show how serious this team is. There are teams that would envy the Jets total 4 year record under Rex. The problem is that the record is getting worse. Other teams lose more. Look at the Lions missing so many parts BUT they put a competitive team in front of you every Sunday. They play todays NFL football. The problem is the Jets usually win poorly and lose in a deplorable manner. Note to Rex; no team is going to fear the Jets until huge changes occur.
Ira, I have been saying the same thing about Cowher. The game has passed him by. Plus the Steelers have an enviable rep unlike the Jets.
By SCfromNY on Jan 11, 2013 | Reply
kleckofan: "Jumping the Shark" was an episode of Happy Days near the end of it's run. Fonzie in shorts and a leather jacket jumped a shark on skis . The beginning of the end.
By Allan O'Dane on Jan 11, 2013 | Reply
What baffles my mind is there's a ex-GM out there that the NYJ haven't even bothered to call….Bill Polian….one of the most respected men in the NFL. Why wouldn't you at least make the call? The longer they wait the chances of this team getting a legit GM is getting slimmer. I can tell you this…..there is something going on over there that has not reached the surface. Why would Pettine take a the same DC position for the Bills? knowing that this is a rival? I'm sure Pettine might have jumped ship to soon being that the jags have an open HC job he would have made a nice fit over there. I'm sure Rex was more than angry when Pettine left for the Bills. And by-by landry because I can see Pettine grabbing a few players to go up north.
By Allan O'Dane on Jan 11, 2013 | Reply
Please tell me that there is NO truth to Woody Johnson even THINKING about making Rex into a GM/Coach?!?….for the love of GOD….please tell me there's no truth to that story!
By Allan O'Dane on Jan 11, 2013 | Reply
I just heard Mike Westoff's interview on a miami radio station….and man-o-man did he let the NYJ FO have it!….he told the truth…whether people want to hear it or get their feelings hurt….he laid it out there…..wow…..He took a shot at Rex and Mike Pettine…And was very upset on how they handled Tebow. Good for you Mike…
By Tom Spicer on Jan 11, 2013 | Reply
A "very, very disappointed" retiring special teams coordinator Mike Westhoff describes the Jets' handling of Tim Tebow as an "absolute mess" and a "distraction." "To be honest, I don't think anybody has really answered that question: Why did we do it?" Westhoff said. "I honestly don't know. I know we didn't practice it. We didn't practice it in training camp. We were going to unveil it. Well, I'm still waiting for the unveiling. So basically Westhoff is saying we didnt even practice the wildcat. Which proves 100% that we traded for him to sell PSL'S, tickets, jerseys & to stel the back page from the Giants.
By Tom Spicer on Jan 11, 2013 | Reply
Since Shea, Sorry bud but you are ALL WRONG! With the cuts you said we will be $10MIL under the cap which might give us just enough to just sign back our guys. Read nyjetscap.com or today Friday 1/11/13 New York Post page 81. All of the cuts that everyone is talking about wont really do that much for us. We will 100% not be major players in free agency. There is a entire page article in todays paper saying never mind a GM having to take Rex as his head coach. That guys dont want to be our GM because of how bad the salary cap is. Where ever you got your info was wrong.
By JetBlu on Jan 11, 2013 | Reply
T64: Love the Lennon stuff. Thanks for the push to the K Jones editorial. Best tell-it-like-it-is article I've read on R-R-R-Rexy & Jets. Also liked your point on how the whole world is chiming in now with their astute analytical observations about Rex/Woody/MS/Jets. Talk about piling on – the runner was down two yrs ago. Anyone blogging about the instant fix (draft or FA)for next year is wasting their time. Woody's comment about Rex being sophisticated gives us enough insight to know that help and hope are not on the way. This organization is infected and there is no treatment and no cure ……yet. "One thing you can't hide…….is when you're crippled inside".
By 40 year fan , John on Jan 11, 2013 | Reply
Still think we could make some major trade moves on offense …Matt Stafford at QB ,, Larry Fitzgerald, to compliment Braylon ..
By 40 year fan , John on Jan 11, 2013 | Reply
Randy , you could improve this site if we could answer comments directly under the comments .. like a reply to comment . That's if it doesn't get too nasty
By GaryC on Jan 11, 2013 | Reply
Pete Carroll says I play rookies until they show me they can't play,and Rex says I play rookies when I have no other choice,that is the difference in a nutshell.
By JetBlu on Jan 11, 2013 | Reply
Rex has the uncanny knack for equating his beliefs and his wants, to some form of football strategy. The Rex formula for succes is wanting to win….and believing that you will win. We've yet to hear anything come out of his mouth that tranfers back to the players and the play on the field……as a team. Thanks to Rex and his biggest supporter, the Owner, this team has no identity – unless you want to count biggest joke in the league as an identity. No FA wants to come here. All of Rex's press conferences proove only that he is unqualified for the job he is occupying. He sounds like the travelling salesman claiming the magic elixer cures whatever ailment you have – but he can't reveal the secret ingredient. 'Cause there aint none.
By Chicago Bob on Jan 11, 2013 | Reply
Face it gang, we are not in the position to be players in free agency – mainly because we have no depth – anywhere! This team needs someone that knows how to build thru the draft and stop trading away draft choices. 2013 is not going to be pretty and things will not change until we can get Sanchez and Holmes contracts off the books and start spending money wisely. Forget about trading Revis – no team is going to offer anything of value until they see he has come back from his injury. One thing is sure, we cannot have two DB's among the highest paid in the league at their position – one has to go. Best thing that could happen – Revis returns to form next season and then you see what you can get for him.
By Ronbo19 on Jan 11, 2013 | Reply
GARY C, yeah, I know Bray is not ready for prime time but i guarantee you he is no Eric Ainge. Brays problem is he had to NFL w.r.'s so he tried to do too much. With a good coach and a good O.line I think he could be a lot better than some people think. Hey he is a lot more like Tom Brady physically than Sanchex could ever dream of being. S.C.Joe, yeah i hear you, but my concern is the way Woody looked at and praised Rex. I think he is star struck with Rex and I'm not sure you have this one right my friend.Nausiating!
By Jet Fan Since '64 Tom Who Used to Be Disgusted and Now Tries to Be Amused on Jan 11, 2013 | Reply
I agree with you on trading Revis, Ira, and probably so does Westhoff — read the article on ESPN, from which Spicer quotes above, in which he directly criticizes Mr T along the very same lines that many of us have for yrs for spending outrageously on a few players and neglecting the rest of the team. Allan, you seem to be going from merely on-target to psychic — no sooner did I read your post about something going on with all these coaches leaving when I also saw this new story about Sutton going to KC. It seems almost everybody is getting off this sinking ship, which is fine with me it hastens Rex's own sinking into the sea and never showing up in Florham Park again.
By kleckofan on Jan 11, 2013 | Reply
spice- you are right about the Westoff interview, great stuff.
For all of the posters on here who have called others (Ronbo, JFT64, DKM, both SC's etc) negative and not "real" Jets fans please read the ESPN article detailing Westoff's conversation; I'll give you the link:
He says all the things we've been saying all along: Why bring Tebow? Should've used him as an H style back. Tanny was inept, bad use of cap $. Sanchez could only win w the perfect combo of circumstances (Karan). Our D was impressive against bad teams. This is a guy on the inside, not speculation.
By kleckofan on Jan 11, 2013 | Reply
JFT64 like the new moniker and could easily attach the "disgusted but trying to be amused to mine too".
By GaryC on Jan 11, 2013 | Reply
Ronbo19,that kid Houston is going to be a high pick, so Bray did have quality at wideout,remember history says Tennessee always has wideouts,Stanley Morgan,Willie Gault,Alvin Harper,Peerless Price,it goes on and on.
By GaryC on Jan 11, 2013 | Reply
Why is it when a bowl coach has another gig lined up rarely do they coach the bowl game,In seeing the jets lousy year with the special teams,why was it let known that Westhoff would not be back and have him continue coaching,with his lame duck status were these guys really going to put out as much.If it was a mess with Tebow,it was an equal mess with Westhoff.
By scjoe on Jan 11, 2013 | Reply
Ron, I was right about Sanchez (from the day he was drafted) I was right about Ducasse, I was right about Wilson, I was right about Shonn Greene, I was right about S Hill, I was right about Tannenbaum, and I am right about the content of the recent press conference. History has taught us it really don't matter what HCs GMs and owners say, that can change on a daily basis, what matters most is what they DO going forward. So, in my mind, I am not that concerned with what they SAY, I am more focused on what they will actually do before I pass judgement.
By scjoe on Jan 11, 2013 | Reply
On that same note Ron, people want Rex Ryan dismissed, fine, just tell me who the next HC should be? Mularky? Reid?, Turner? Munchek? Wissenhut? All the latest entries to the "recycled coach's club" who had a combined record of something like 20-50. What is the upside?
By scjoe on Jan 11, 2013 | Reply
kleckofan, funny thing, all those "real Jet fans" who were hell bent on trashing most commenter s here on Randy's blog are long gone. Never to be heard from again. Gee, can't imagine why.
By Jet Fan Since '64 Tom Watching the Defectives on Jan 11, 2013 | Reply
Thanks, klecko, you'll like the Elvis the C reference on this moniker too. And thanks for remembering that a bunch of us were trying to cut this disaster off at the pass starting with the PIT playoff loss. JetBlue, I'll get back to John all those years ago, maybe after this team gets some HELP! GaryC, that paraphrase on Carroll and Rex says it all, as some of us have been saying for most of Rex's tenure as to how he doesn't know how to pick, groom, or use young players. Allan, don't despair, at this rate Polian might be the last man of any consequence standing and Woody may have to hire him. Chicago Bob, I fear you're right about not being able to trade Revis till he's healthy and I know you're right about how we can't afford those 2 CBs.
By Mike Jet Vet on Jan 11, 2013 | Reply
I'm usually in agreement with most our regulars, all makes sense. you know who you are, BUT! I'm going against the grain with all of you on Rex , Rex has made many mistakes, Rex is Guilty of using Sanchez way to long agreed no doubt is he a GM or Cap guy NO! but please don't tell me he's not a football man and head coach… Give me a Break with Tuna his heart isn't into it plus his age will be a big factor. Bill Cowher will command to much believe he just won't make it in NY, Lovey Smith is average at best, Only one I will agree to it Little Chucky . He will kick butt and take names, He left Raiders for Tampa the year they played each other in the SB now that to me is a coach not to mess with…
By Jet Fan Since '64 Tom Watching the Defectives on Jan 12, 2013 | Reply
scjoe and MJV, here's the difference between Rex and Lovie, Reid, and all them other (as they used to say in MAD magazine) HCs: While those guys may be mediocre or overrated HCs, Rex, who is in no way better than them in any strictly measurable way, also opened his big mouth and turned the New York Jets, of all teams, into the most hated, stumbling, pathetic franchise in the league. And why? Because "he's man enough" to do it or some other ridiculous boast of his that has nothing to do with anything, just like his talk yesterday about how "people are gonna be afraid of us." This whole franchise can't even see straight because of his mouth and Woody's deaf ears. They'll both have to go before anything really changes and everyone knows it.
By Ronbo19 on Jan 12, 2013 | Reply
KLECKO FAN, Thanks for having my back. It's kind of funny as last week marked my first year hanng'n here with you guys on Randy's Radar. I remember thinking how negative I thought guys like JOE CAPS, TOM64 & a few others were. By nature I'm usually a positive person.Been at my job 27 years,married to my wife 30 years this March,and a Jet fan since they were the Titans. The thing is, guys like us want to be positive, we just need a reason! Someone here brought up Einsteins famous defination of insanity: doing the exact same thing over & over and expecting different results? Hey, I never want to hurt anyones feelings here, I just want to offer analysis based on my experience as a former player and coach.I hope others feel that way!
By Ronbo19 on Jan 12, 2013 | Reply
KARAN, your post above concerning L.Landry is without question "spot on, & I believe your best post ever as it was logical,accurate and did not involve one reference to Mark Sanchez! My congratulations, you are beginning to see the light!
MIKE JET VET, Right back at you my man! Like I said to my buddy S.C.Joe, Rex is desperately grasping for straws. he has only Woody's bizaar fasination with him to thank for his continued employment as the H.C of the N.J.Jets! basically he road the waves of Mangin's roster purge his first two years.Mangin brought in a lot of high character guys many of whom dot the rosters of other teams like T.E Dressen with Denver, S- James Ighedabo w/Balt. Rex has now lost this team 2 years in a row and his coaches are-
By Ronbo19 on Jan 12, 2013 | Reply
cont.- are deserting him like rats on a shinking ship! The whole nonsesnce he brought up about teams fearing our offence this coming season is about as delusional as the character Jimmy Cagney played in Mr. Roberts. Remember the missing strawberries? And now its just starting to get interesting as Mike Westoffs comments hit the airways I'm think'n this is just the tip of the iceberg. I'm still waiting to hear sombody, anybody tell me exactly what it is Rex actually brings to the table? His never ending big mouth? His mishandling of the Tebow fiasco?His loosing his team 2 years in a row? Or is it his supposed Top 5 defence that could not stop such high powered offences as the Dolphins, Bills, Titans& Jags? Sorry guys, I dont see it?
By joey defiant on Jan 13, 2013 | Reply
all the experts here who think it takes an elite qb to win where are you now? they are all sitting home and the teams with good defense are moving on in the playoffs. after brady is eliminated you can put that argument to rest.
By SCfromNY on Jan 13, 2013 | Reply
scjoe: I agree about the current recycled coaches being poor choices also leaving Rex alone. However I am sure there are co-ordinaters and college coaches worth a shot. Rex's stubborn refusal to make changes, cut his "guys", play rookies, and most of all his inability see talent and coach it makes him a poor choice for anyone's HC.
Chicago Bob; I agree we do not need 2 highly paid CBs since our D played well with only 1. However I am assuming both Bell and landryn will be gone, a huge hole.Let Revis play to show he is healed and then trade him. This year is going to be a mess anyway.
By Jet Fan Since '64 Tom Watching the Defectives on Jan 13, 2013 | Reply
Ira, I didn't notice your post about waiting one yr and cleaning house next yr until now. Please explain the logic behind this to me. The Super Bowl is in our stadium in 2014. You're saying it's better to start rebuilding then and maybe be 6-10 while the Giants play for another Lombardi than to get real now? Okay, I can understand Woody may not want to pay both Rex and Sanchez next yr to take the yr off and that's his business, but I see no other advantage in delaying the inevitable. It should be pretty clear by now that no one in the entire league thinks we're "close" with "Mark," Rex, and this utterly mediocre roster Mr T left us with. Now, if you were 18 yrs old I might understand this inclination to wait to rebuild…
By Jet Fan Since '64 Tom Watching the Defectives on Jan 13, 2013 | Reply
Ronbo, you're blessed in your work and your marriage if not in your choice of teams to root for but the rest of us are in the same boat on that one. But if your company was mismanaged and going under or your wife was cheating on you and you refused to honestly face all that, I wouldn't say you were a positive person, I'd say you were in denial and possibly, if only unconsciously, self-destructive. Positive people assess reality as clearly as they can, let go of the past, and make strong decisions. Or as it says in the TAO TE CHING: "When [a great man] makes a mistake, he realizes it. Having realized it, he admits it. Having admitted it, he corrects it." Rex and Woody are far from such greatness…and I knew it when you started posting here.
By scjoe on Jan 13, 2013 | Reply
64, I can't argue with your reasons for disliking Rex Ryan. I see and hear all the same things you do, the difference? As a Jet fan, I really don't care who "hates" them, or who disagrees with the things Ryan says, or what the media and others refer to them as, none of that translates to wins and losses on the playing field, personnel does! Now, IF, as many others believe, that Ryan is totally responsible for the personnel put on the field, then I would fell as strongly as you do. But he is not. That is why I give him the slack I do.
By Jet Fan Since '64 Tom Watching the Defectives on Jan 13, 2013 | Reply
I don't care who hates Rex other than Jet fans, who have the right to hate or love anyone on the team they want, scjoe, but I've also never seen a HC motivate the opponent to play harder vs us. Rex will never stop doing that because his instinct is to talk instead of act, like with telling us how "dangerous" we're gonna be on O but not saying how. Hey JoeyDelusional, you trying to be funny? Yeah, Brady sure embarrassed himself today! Call the 4 QBs left standing now whatever you want but they shredded the "great D's" they faced and they're infinitely better than what you or Rex think it takes to even go deep into post-season. Oh yeah, and like I just posted on the story ahead of this one: Avg score for the 4 games was 39-31. Get real, dude!
By Chicago Bob on Jan 13, 2013 | Reply
You can't help but wonder what goes on in the interviewing process with this team. The word is out that the Jets braintrust was very impressed with Jerry Angelo – the same Jerry Angelo that was run out of Chicago! The same Jerry Angelo that has not gotten one interview since being canned by the Bears! The same Jerry Angelo who might be the only GM with a worse drafting record than Tannenbaum! If no one of any quality wants this position, you might as well let Cohen run the show for one year and if things do not turn out, then you can fire everyone and start the process again. With this team no longer in salary cap hell in 2014 and a new coach needed, the position will now look more attractive. It's reasons like this God invented alcohol.
By Ronbo19 on Jan 14, 2013 | Reply
TOM64, Thanks, Yes I do feel truley blessed. And yeah, excepth for my choice of sports teams( as I'm also a Mets fan…Yyyyyykkkkkeeessss!) Anyway, yes it did take awhile to see the light but as I said before, you and S.C.Joe & even Joe Caps made alot of sence and the light finally went on about Rex & Sanchez. So now you and & are negative together?? Of course like you I prefer to think of us as proactive rather than complacent.
By Ronbo19 on Jan 14, 2013 | Reply
CHICAGO BOB, Wow,you took the words right out of my mouth!I was thinking the very same thing. I would just name Cohen the interim G.M.and dump the whole lot of them after this coming disaster of a season. I know Ira & S.CJoe will want to win as many games a possible this coming season but unless we hire a true genious I cant see this team being anything but a 3 to 4 win team.I only hope we dont trade our draft picks away for stop-gap journeymen types in an effort to appease the PSL holding fans?
By kleckofan on Jan 14, 2013 | Reply
Great call on Brady Joey D. I will give you some credit for putting a prediction out there publicly, albeit totally off base.
Who is the mediocre QB out of those left? Flacco? I don't love him, but look at his playoff stats; QB rating of like 120+.
Shame about the Seahawks, I was rooting for them as an example of a team doing all the things we are not: drafting speed and size, developing players, playing rookies in meaningful ways…
I would cut that Denver safety today. Fox didn't help by playing it conservatively either, you've got one of the best QB's in history and you don't take a shot at a first down to end the game?
By kleckofan on Jan 14, 2013 | Reply
SCjoe- you're right about the content of a Jets presser being meaningless, but you can't deny what was done in terms of admitting Rex would have a say in who was GM. There would be no strategic reason for Woody to say that, I believe it is true. So what concerns me about the presser is not so much specific statements, but more the whole delusional structure that continues. Rex is still telling us other teams will fear us, and Woody is still believing it.
As I said before, I was strong in Rex's corner (I have a signed picture staring at me in my office as I write) I wanted him to be the end of Same Old Jets and the 2 AFC's made it seem achievable. Reality is he doesn't have the goods.
By kleckofan on Jan 14, 2013 | Reply
cont.. I watched the Brown's new coach presser (I know I need to get a life) and it was so refreshing to watch a guy speak intelligently, with poise and still instill a pride and confidence. I used to say jokingly that we need to send Rex to the Institute of Cliches fior a crash course in coachspeak, now it's too late.
By Jet Fan Since '64 Tom Watching the Defectives on Jan 14, 2013 | Reply
I'm with you on the alcohol, Chicago Bob, those margaritas on Friday night sure do help me deal with the Jets on Sunday. As for negativity, Ronbo, I think anybody who was satisfied with the state of this franchise now would have to be considered either masochistic or certifiably insane.
By Ronbo19 on Jan 14, 2013 | Reply
T64, Right there with you Bro!
If it was negative to complain about Tanney's poor draft & F/a's, call me negative!
If its negative to point out Sanchez's lack of accuracy,pocket presence,decision makeing & ball security- call me negative!
If its negative to point out Rex loosing his team 2 years in a row,or sticking with Sanchez in spite of his dismal play, call me negative!
But the bottom line is guys like you,S.C.Joe, Klecko Fan,Gary C, Spicer,Mike Jet Vet,Chicago Bob,BENNETT, Allan "O" and of course Ira & anyone else I missed all want the same thing; a team we can not only root for, but be proud of as well.Does that sound like our current Jets?
By scjoe on Jan 15, 2013 | Reply
Kleckofan, the question for me becomes "how much" input does Rex actually have? Woody can say publicly that Rex will have input in the GM search, but the bigger question is how much input. I can't imagine Woody Johnson giving Rex Ryan the majority of the say in the new GM hire, especially after he hired that consulting firm to handle the search. I think Rex's input will be very minimal.Maybe a token amount. But for me, and I have said this before, it is not so much about Rex Ryan doing a bang up job as HC, it is about who replaces him? Where do you go from there? Is it feasible to go in a totally new direction again?
By Tom Spicer on Jan 15, 2013 | Reply
Guys how do we know that Rex wanted to keep playing Sanchez? MR.T could have been telling him he had to play him to try to save his butt. We also heard storys about how the o line coach said he was being forced to play Ducasse. Why would Rex force his O line coach to play Ducasse unless it was coming from above Rex? MR.T ANYONE? I think MR.T forced Rex to play Sanchez & Ducasse to try to save his hide!
By Ronbo19 on Jan 15, 2013 | Reply
S.C.JOE, I just read your post to KLECKO FAN, and I gotta say, he makes a lot of great points! While your points concerning who replaces him & how much control he had in regards to the draft are certianly debateable, the fact is Rex is the symbol of all that is wrong with this franchise! When you go on T.V and make a lot of promoses as Rex has continuously done you basically paint a bullseye on yourself. When you fail to deliver on those promoses you basically look like a fool.
As I said earlier, i want a team I can root for and be proud to do so. How can anyone be proud of a team led by a circus ringmaster rather than a H.C? This team will lack credability as long as Rex is continues to play the fool!
By Ronbo19 on Jan 15, 2013 | Reply
SPICER, Interesting theory but there is one glareing problem; Tannenbaum was as star struck with Rex as Woody is! Lets face it, Rex is clearly the "alpha dog " when it comes to the Jets. Although my buddy S.C.Joe insists on burrying his head in the sand regarding this topic, I know most here are well aware Rex has had a great deal of influence in the make up of this team! Now perhaps Tanney may have whispered a plea in Rex's ear concerning Ducasse or begged him to justify the ludicrous contract he gave Sanchez by continueing to play him, but I have little doubt Tanney is really the fall guy in this whole fiasco.And you know how tough that is for me to admit as I was one of the many Tanney bashers here.Not that he didn't deserve to go!
By Jet Fan Since '64 Tom Watching the Defectives on Jan 15, 2013 | Reply
Spicer, I commend you for considering the backstage politics that may've kept Sanchez on the field. But the problem with guys like Rex is, they never say what they really feel to anyone and never just let the chips fall, so they're always hard to believe in. Right now it's clear that the majority of the team doesn't believe in him because no team lays down like that two yrs in a row for a guy they DO believe in, so that's just another reason Rex should go coach high school, where the game might slow down a little for him. Ronbo, yeah, we all want a good Jet team but that's where the story starts, not where it ends. And some folks only want to luck out and win one SB, then drop dead. I wanna see a dynasty for years to come.
By kleckofan on Jan 15, 2013 | Reply
scjoe- OK, so you know, I'm an HR Mgr at a company w as many as 500 employees at times and owned by a former US Senator. I deal w these types of hierarchy decisions and media spin has been a part of my life. I'm trying to understand how Woody would say on nat'l media outlets Rex will have a say in the GM decision and then later would be able to say to Rex "appreciate your input, but I'm going with another guy". Why put yourself in that position? Everyone says Woody is a smart business man; wouldn't it be easier to just say "I'm making the GM call, the GM will make the OC call and the personnel decisions". If Rex really doesn't have a say in decisions it makes no sense to create the perception he does.
By kleckofan on Jan 15, 2013 | Reply
The problem w Rex making decisions other than those about the defense is he has shown a tolal lack of competence. He is not an evalautor of talent (see Sanchez, John Connor, the mishandling of Kerley early on etc), he knows nothing of Offense, do I have to support that statement? I name the players in regard to evaluation because these are players wher Rex said "these are my guys", Tanny may have liked them too, but Rex wanted them. What Rex should have been was a great motivator and defensive coach. After that HC duties are about managing. Apparently managing is not a strong point either. Woody has erred in giving Rex too much to do.
BTW, I am hip with the Cohen strategy; the year will be a waste. I wished they cleaned house this yr
By kleckofan on Jan 15, 2013 | Reply
Spice-I said many times before that if game decisions are being made for Rex, by Woody or Tanny, then he should have had the backbone to say "It s my team, I'm the field general, if I can't play my guys (remember "gives us the best chance….) then I quit." This is not a feasible defense for Rex. Either he played the wrong guys on his own or he was a coward. I don't like my chances in the NFL w a coach under either circumstance; bad coach or wimp.
Sure, it's easy for me to say to quit, it's a million dollar job, but think about the long term implications. Does Rex do himself better by quitting because he can't coach his way or going down w decisions he didn't make? In the future, after he is fired, which guy would another team hire?
By kleckofan on Jan 15, 2013 | Reply
don't remember who was posting here, arguing about the wisdom of drafting an OLineman with a high pick. Well, Gil Brandt's initial mock has OLinemen in two of his top five (Joeckel, Warmack).
By kleckofan on Jan 15, 2013 | Reply
btw, Brandt had us drafting Jarvis Jones from Georgia. OLB lead the nation in sacks, kind of small (240 lbs), they compare him to Seattle's pick of Irvin last yr.
By scjoe on Jan 15, 2013 | Reply
Ron, I think kleckofan made some valid points, I think I countered with some valid points. Again, I am not a big fan of Ryan's buffoon like persona, but until it translates to actual losses on the field who really cares? Rich Kottite was a gentleman's gentleman, how did that work out? I honestly believe that there are those who put so much stock in to what the media writes and says that they become distracted from the issues at hand. If Ryan is fired and a competent HC is brought in and wins, I will be totally on board with that. If Ryan gets fired and "just another" recycled HC is brought in and gets similar results you will hear me loud and clear.
By scjoe on Jan 15, 2013 | Reply
Spicer, great question, excellent point. The answer? We DON"T know! What we do know is that Woody Johnson stated publicly that Mike Tannenbaum had the final say on ALL personnel decisions and that the next GM will as well.That confirms what I have been saying for the past 6 years. We heard the chatter about Ducasse, we heard the chatter about the S. Hill pick, think that is a coincidence?
By Ronbo19 on Jan 15, 2013 | Reply
KLECKO FAN, Ahhh, that would be me. I dont debate the wisdom of drafting an O.linemen early. i just dont think we are in a posisition personell wise to do that now.As we will be paying Brick & Mangold a fortune for the forseeable future, and we currently have no O.G's on our roster as Slauson & Moore are free agents i dont think we are in a posisition cap wise to tie up a lot of money along the O-line? i was hopeing we could draft a linbacker like you mentioned in Rd.1 & then grab a guy like the kid from N.Carolina Jon Cooper 6-3 310, or Larry Warford 6-3 332 from Kentucky. There will be several R.B's like Montae Ball available in the 3rd Rd. I know a lot of us want a Q.B this year but if we wait till next year there will better choices.
By scjoe on Jan 15, 2013 | Reply
kleckofan, here's the reality, I am a "retired" manager as well, at&t, 30 years worth, although media was not a large part of my career I do view them for what they are, headline grabbers! That said, if I were sitting in Woody's chair this is what I would have said to Rex re: the GM search..Rex, I will listen to your input, I will take it in to consideration, but ultimately, I am going to go with the guy that I feel, and the consulting firm I am paying a lot of money to feel, is the most qualified person to hold the position. Now, with that, there should not be any "uncomfortable" position after the fact, nor should there be any embarrassment.
By scjoe on Jan 15, 2013 | Reply
Ron, whether a persons head is buried in the sand ultimately comes down to which way you are viewing it, from the top or from the bottom! Agree??
By Jet Fan Since '64 Tom Watching the Defectives on Jan 15, 2013 | Reply
Very interesting dialogue between klecko and scjoe but on balance I go with klecko because his clear-eyed view of corporate managerial strategy is simply too compelling. Indeed, one of the things that depresses me about Woody's Jets is that they seem increasingly ruled by Rex's blustery, purely emotional nonsense rather than anything resembling football sense, much less common sense. For Woody to even stand before the cameras during Rex's ludicrous "People aren't gonna want to play us" rap tells me that he not only has no clue, he has no self-respect. All in all, starting to rebuild IN TOTO this yr makes the most sense but Woody is clearly a guy with, as I've said, a really slow learning curve. That'll kill ya every time.
By Ronbo19 on Jan 16, 2013 | Reply
S.C.Joe, No doubt you definately made your usual convincing arguments.You always do!I was just offering Klecko-Fan his due as he did make some equally valid points!(as he always does as well) S.C.from N.Y, great point about letteng Revis prove he is healthy.My only question is how much time he has remaining on his contract? If it expires after the 2013 season will not be able to get any compensations as he will walk as a free agent.If we trade him prior to this years draft we will probably have to settle for conditional picks in the 2014 draft based on how he performs this coming season. I dont see any teams offering us picks in this years draft as no one knows how much he will be able to contribute to this coming season?
By Chicago Bob on Jan 16, 2013 | Reply
If the Jets aren't happy with their current OL coach and Mike Tice is available, grab him. Tice was the Bears OC last year and struggled however prior to that he was their OL coach and despite having little to work with, turned 5 nobodies into a fairly decent unit. With Mangold, Ferguson and someone like Chance Warmack or Jonathan Cooper a possible addition, we would have the makings of one of the better OL's in the league. As much as I would like to see us get an OLB who can put the opposing QB on his tail, I am a little tired of watching OUR QB's get knocked on their tail. You could probably trade down, grab an extra pick(s) and still get Warmack who many feel is not only the safest pick this year but the best OG since Steve Hutchinson
By Ronbo19 on Jan 16, 2013 | Reply
S.C.Joe, Yeah, I was just tweaking you a little with the 'head in the sand' line. I figured you'd get a kick out of that one! Chicago Bob, keep in mind we have the 8th pick in the 2nd rd. In a earlier post I mentioned Cooper plus another guy if he is gone Larry Warford from Kentucky. If we could get the OLB from Ga. in the first rd. plus Cooper or Warford in Rd.2 I think most knowledgable Jet fans would be thrilled.The #9 pick gets a lot of money & as I'm sure your aware Brick & Mangold are amongst the highest paid players at their posisitions.A pass rushing OLB like J.Jones would be a better use of the money as he would be more of an impact player. Shall we say more bang for our buck!
By kleckofan on Jan 16, 2013 | Reply
Scjoe- fair enough, I'm probably just tired of listening to Rex.I'm envious that you're retired! Never understood folks who say "I don't know what I'd do w/o work". 18 holes, a nice lunch, 9 holes, dinner w whoever, a glass of wine, repeat at many locations.
Ron- I wasn't make the case for taking OL, just pointing out that some are OK w using a high pick on one. I agree, OLB is our best bet. There are many good ones this year and we will probably be getting rid of Pace, Thomas and Scott from our LB corps. QB is a next yr deal.
I think I'll spend the rest of my visit here watching the Met Life Moment of Joe Willie throwing 6 TD's and almost 500 yds back in '72. Ahhh, to have a QB.
By Chicago Bob on Jan 17, 2013 | Reply
Ronbo19, first things first – the Jets cannot afford to take a shot at Jarvis Jones with the #9 pick. The kid has been diagnosed with spinal stenosis, which is a narrowing of the spinal column (where nerves come thru at the bottom). This is a degenerative disease (my father has it) and it could cut his career short by many years. The Jets do not have the luxury of taking a chance on a player like that and miss. Cooper will not be around in round 2, he will be taken later round 1. The reason Brick and Mangold are being paid so much is due to Mr. T's inability to negotiate. The Jets cannot afford to blow this pick – why not use it on what people claim is the safest pick in the draft and someone who appears to have All-Pro written all over him
By Chicago Bob on Jan 17, 2013 | Reply
especially at a position (OG) which is going to be a weakness for us. Slauson is most likely gone after they had him take a pay cut and Brandon Moore has 1-2 years left. This is one of the reasons Peyton Manning wanted nothing to do with the Jets – their OL. Warmack can play between Brick and Mangold and solidify the left side of the line for another 6-7 years. Otherwise, take the #9 pick, trade down, accumulate what you can in terms of draft choices and look for Warmack and if he isn't available, you take Cooper. We need depth desperately and the only way we are going to get it is to accumulate draft choices.
By kleckofan on Jan 17, 2013 | Reply
I'm all for trading down and accumaulating picks. The problem is, who will be looking to trade up? There doesn't seem to be any consensus "must have" player out there. Of course, specific team needs will be a factor.
I think the longer this GM search goes on the more likely it's going to be Cohen. Truth is no wants to come here, so we're almost stuck w someone who already is here.
No one (the talking head experts) believe the Jets will be a viable player for any of the better QB FA's, where does that leave us? Draft a project in the lower rounds and watch "butt fumble" for another yr? I pray not.
By Ronbo19 on Jan 17, 2013 | Reply
CHICAGO BOB, in a round-about-way you just echoed what I have been advocateing for a while here. No way I take Cooper or any other O.Linemen at #9. The financial ramifications of that are are not the only rason(although in our cas valid!) When you have a roster as devoid of playmakers as we have takeing an O.L is a luxury we simply cant afford.What good is it to open a big hole & have backs that are too slow to get through it?. Or, if you give the Q.B 5 or 6 seconds to throw & he still over or underthrows the reciever? If Jones medical condidtion scares off our medical people theres a kid Deon Jordan 6-6 250 from Oregon who may fit the bill? As I pointed out earlier, my preference would be to trade down & at that point O.L in cool.Less $.
By kleckofan on Jan 17, 2013 | Reply
Just read an article that an "unconfirmed source" says Idzik from Seattle is the new GM. Don't know a lot of the details about his contributions to whats been going on there, but can't argue w the success.
By kleckofan on Jan 17, 2013 | Reply
just about 3pm on the west coast and still no confirmation on Idzik. Read his bio on the Seahawks website. Hate to say it but it looks like he's primarily a cap/contracts guy w some limited evaluation history. I will hope for the best and that he was an avid student while participating in the talent evaluation process.
By Ronbo19 on Jan 18, 2013 | Reply
CHICAGO BOB, S.C.Joe & I were going back & forth and we thought a good trade to try might be our pick@#9 for the Rams 2 picks at 16 &22. That way we could get our pass rusher & O.L. What I was trying to say yesterday was that the rookie salaries are slotted by what number the player is picked at. So the 22 pick will get less than the #9 pick. By picking at #16 & 22 the total cost would be close to what the #9 pick will be payed. So lets hope the Rams are interested in a player at #9 and mabey we get lucky? Hey, at least Tanney wont be makeing the pick.Hopefully, Rex isn't either?
By Chicago Bob on Jan 18, 2013 | Reply
Ronbo19: If the Jets could get those two picks from the Rams for their #9, I would consider flying out to New Jersey for the first home game and during player introductions, bring the art of streaking back to life. My guess is the Rams would want more than the Jets #1 (probably their #3 as well) however that would be an incredible deal (if used wisely) for the Jets. Unfortunately I keep hearing that the Rams want to use their first 1st rounder on an OL (Warmack's name comes up a lot) to protect Bradford and then go with either a receiver or a DB with the 2nd pick. However that is the kind of drafting philosophy we need our next GM to have – see if you can stop by Jets headquarters and get them thinking the same way.
By Chicago Bob on Jan 18, 2013 | Reply
Ronbo19: I agree with you 100% on the lack of playmakers on "O". We need a RB that can actually break a run longer than 20 yards & receivers that can get open and make plays. I understand drafting an OL is not going to get much fanfare – my concern is this team is limited on talent and cannot afford to blow this pick. We have so many holes & don't have the luxury of drafting a 4 star player when a 5 star is available – the good teams take that approach and we need to adopt that as well. I am big on Warmack because he does fill a need plus I remember what the addition of Steve Hutchinson did to the Vikings and Seahawks OL's when he arrived – and he's rated higher. Why not go with the best available – especially one
who is rated this high?
By kleckofan on Jan 18, 2013 | Reply
I'm sure Randy will begin a new thread on Idzik, but for those who may turn here:
"oversees player negotiations, the team's compliance with the NFL salary cap, player personnel transactions, all football operations budgets, staff and team contracts, team travel and most aspects of the day-to-day football operations while also remaining active in player evaluations"
This what the Seahawks say are Idzik's duties w the team, I hope he's great for us, but notice where evaluation shows up on his list of duties.
By Ronbo19 on Jan 19, 2013 | Reply
CHICAGO BOB, correct, as Tx A&M O.T Matthews & T.Lewan from Michigan stayed in school the O.T posisition has suddenly increased in importance. That being the case I have read where the Rams may want to move up to get one of the better O.T's. As there is a good chance one will still be there at #9 this trade is very possible. Is it probable??? Bye the way, apparently D.Moore has been given a clean bill of health and he is a top 5 pick in every moc I have seen. As for Idzik, as S.C.Joe says, lets give it time. If he has a plan to bring in a premier talent evaluator mabey this can work. We certianly need cap help.I am more concerned about our new O.C, Marty Morninway.Lets just hpe he doesn't bring Vic with him.