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Parcells, 16 Others on HOF Finalists ListPosted by on January 11, 2013 – 11:25 am
It's Pro Football Hall of Fame time again, and that means Bill Parcells again is in play to be inducted into the Canton shrine.
The Hall of Fame this morning announced the 15 modern-era finalists who will be considered for election into the Hall when the selection committee meets in New Orleans on Saturday, Feb. 2, the day before Super Bowl XLVII.
This is Parcells' fourth time as a finalist, meaning final 15, and in this case it may well be that the third time plus one is the charm for the Tuna. Last year he made it to the final 10 during the day-long balloting process but did not advance to the final five, as did Curtis Martin, who was then selected for the Hall a year ago in his second year of eligibility.
Here is the Hall's list of finalists, which includes the two senior nominees, DT Curley Culp and LB Dave Robinson, announced in August. (Four first-time nominees designated with an (f), two senior committee nominees with an asterisk):
Larry Allen (f) — G/T, 1994-2005 Dallas Cowboys; 2006-07 San Francisco 49ers
Jerome Bettis — RB, 1993-95 Los Angeles/St. Louis Rams; 1996-2005 Pittsburgh Steelers
Tim Brown — WR/KR/PR, 1988-2003 Los Angeles/Oakland Raiders; 2004 Tampa Bay Buccaneers
Cris Carter — WR, 1987-89 Philadelphia Eagles; 1990-2001 Minnesota Vikings; 2002 Miami Dolphins
Curley Culp* — DT, 1968-74 Kansas City Chiefs; 1974-80 Houston Oilers; 1980-81 Detroit Lions
Edward DeBartolo Jr. — Owner, 1977-2000 San Francisco 49ers
Kevin Greene — LB/DE, 1985-92 Los Angeles Rams; 1993-95 Pittsburgh Steelers; 1996, '98-99 Carolina Panthers; 1997 San Francisco 49ers
Charles Haley — DE/LB, 1986-91, '99 San Francisco 49ers; 1992-96 Dallas Cowboys
Art Modell — Owner, 1961-95 Cleveland Browns; 1996-2011 Baltimore Ravens
Jonathan Ogden (f) — T, 1996-2007 Baltimore Ravens
Bill Parcells — Coach, 1983-90 New York Giants; 1993-96 New England Patriots; 1997-99 New York Jets; 2003-06 Dallas Cowboys
Andre Reed — WR, 1985-99 Buffalo Bills; 2000 Washington Redskins
Dave Robinson* — LB, 1963-72 Green Bay Packers; 1973-74 Washington Redskins
Warren Sapp (f) — DT, 1995-2003 Tampa Bay Buccaneers; 2004-07 Oakland Raiders
Will Shields — G, 1993-2006 Kansas City Chiefs
Michael Strahan (f) — DE, 1993-2007 New York Giants
Aeneas Williams — CB/S, 1991-2000 Phoenix/Arizona Cardinals; 2001-04 St. Louis Rams
All Hall of Fame candidates must go through a winnowing process that this year began with 127 nominees, then was reduced to 27 semifinalists. To be elected, a finalist must receive a minimum positive vote of 80 percent.
Bob Sutton Departing?
The Kansas City Star is reporting today that longtime Jets assistant coach Bob Sutton has been hired by new Chiefs coach Andy Reid as the Chiefs' defensive coordinator. The Jets have not commented on Sutton's reported departure and the Chiefs have not announced anything regarding the hiring of coordinators yet.
Sutton, the former Army head coach, was with the Jets the past 13 seasons, 10 as linebackers coach and from 2006-08 as Eric Mangini's defensive coordinator.
Tags: Bill Parcells, Bob Sutton, Curtis Martin, Pro Football Hall of Fame
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By Vinny D on Jan 11, 2013 | Reply
When is Joe Klecko going to be elected for the Hall ? It's WAYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYY overdue .
By 40 year fan , John on Jan 11, 2013 | Reply
It was almost a criminal act to not include Bill Parcells into The Hall of Fame the first time …
By Byrdman on Jan 11, 2013 | Reply
Well the obvious analogy here is the cliche' "Rats leaving a sinking ship" but.. I'm starting to see a pattern with Pettine making a lateral move to the Bills Sutton moving up to DC and now Norv Turner settling for OC in Cleveland. Think about that one for a minute, Turner opted for the "coaching graveyard" in Cleveland rather than OC in NY ??
Isn't it becoming more apparent all the time that a job opening with the NY Jets is one of the least attractive in the NFL? What happened, is it Rex, Woody, or both? Is it possible that the Jets are patiently waiting for one of the playoff teams to be eliminated so they can raid their front office?
By IRA on Jan 11, 2013 | Reply
Agree Parcells should be a shoo-in this year and they ruined it last year by not having Curtis and bill enter the HOF at the same time. Shame on those few who didn't let that happen. Ditto about Klecko very long overdue.
As for the reports about Sutton i hope for the Jets he is not leaving but all reports are saying he is with the Chiefs and if true i wish him well and i am sure he will have continued success. Great coach!
By Allan O'Dane on Jan 11, 2013 | Reply
Vinny…The 1st…and only D-lineman to make it to the pro-bowl on all three defensive positions…..JOE "MIGHTY" KLECKO…should be in HOF no doubt. 40yr fan….Bill Parcells should be on rollerskates going into Canton! So now Sutton has moved on to KC as a DC…Sutton is a good guy…glad for him to escape this circus act …
By Jet Fan Since '64 Tom Who Used to Be Disgusted and Now Tries to Be Amused on Jan 11, 2013 | Reply
Well, Westy didn't wait long to start telling the truth about the most truth-averse franchise in the NFL. Of course he pointed out how limited Sanchez is as a QB, how nothing was ever done with Tebow, and so on. But my favorite is this, which echoes what many of us said in November and December: "Westhoff even took a swipe at the defense, even though he praised defensive coordinator Mike Pettine, who was hired this week by the Bills. "I want to stop teams in the top 10, not the bottom 5," Westhoff said when discussing the unit."
By 40 year fan , John on Jan 11, 2013 | Reply
The Jets better make some BIG MOVES offensively in this off season or that stadium is going to be empty with just crickets in there …
By GaryC on Jan 11, 2013 | Reply
Nice to hear the name of Dave Robinson of the packers,with Nitschke and Willie Davis getting most of the accolades he goes unnoticed,but made the big play in the championship game at the cotton bowl against Dallas,the year before the ice bowl,when he pressured Meredith into throwing interception to Tom Brown that sent them to the first super bowl against the chiefs.
By robert on Jan 11, 2013 | Reply
What has happened here with the Jets is really obvious. The bad drafting of the last several years has caught up with the Jets. We can only hope that with a new gm in place he will pick players that can bring forth a turnaround in this` team`s fortunes. We shall see as time goes on. And that starts with drafting a new qb.
By scjoe on Jan 11, 2013 | Reply
Here's the thing about the the hunt for a new GM, no matter who they choose, whether it be from inside their own house (Cohen) or outside the country (Popp) there will be criticism. I can understand criticism 3 or 4 years down the road, after a body of work, but I can't understand it the day OF the selection.
By Jet Fan Since '64 Tom Watching the Defectives on Jan 11, 2013 | Reply
40 year, nobody showing up for this dog-and-pony show next fall is actually a great scenario, maybe then Woody realizes he's in way over his head with pro football, goes back to dental floss, and we get an owner with a strong desire to build a professional franchise and start thinking big about winning.
By Byrdman on Jan 11, 2013 | Reply
Sports Writers and Pundits have referred to the Jets as a .."CIRCUS"
That label is UNFAIR and INSULTING .. In my opinion
It's an insult to the many amazing and talented performers employed by the Circus shows around the world! The High Wire Acts, Trapeze Artists, the Animal Stunts all require years of practice to reach that superb level of precision and expertise :D
By Jet Fan Since '64 Tom Watching the Defectives on Jan 11, 2013 | Reply
Look like Greenberg has it in his contract that he's allowed to state the obvious on this site, even if it isn't always pretty: "Today's NFL calls for a throwing offense. However late, good for Ryan for wanting to implement one. But the Jets need a quarterback to run it, so this is a broken cart Rex is putting in front of the horse. However you feel about whether Ryan should or shouldn't have been retained, he won't last unless he gets an elite quarterback. No coach does. Above all, it is always about the quarterback."
By Jet Fan Since '64 Tom Watching the Defectives on Jan 11, 2013 | Reply
I like this comment on Cimini's ESPN story about Sutton going to the Chiefs, which is now official: "Too bad the one coach everyone wants fired is sticking around for years to come, according to Woody. "
By Mike Jet Vet on Jan 11, 2013 | Reply
I for one am glad Sutton is gone, nice guy bad D coordinator , Sutton has been here what 10 years, with him our defense was horrible… Rex came and they became # 1 in the league 1st year out of the box, around 5th in his second .. D- Rettine book is still out on him, we won't know how much a part was him or Rex 1st 2 years..We'll find out next year
By Jet Fan Since '64 Tom Watching the Defectives on Jan 12, 2013 | Reply
Overreact, underreact, scjoe — writers and fans are so ashamed and disgusted about having been taken in by Rex and his nonsense about Mark, the Super Bowl, and so on that now they can't stop expressing the revulsion that's built up over all that time but which they denied. I mean, look at this site — where's JoeyDefoolish telling us how great Sanchez is? Other than Karan, whom I'm suspecting may be some kind of faulty artificial intelligence program, all the people who were fooling themselves are now acting out in one way or another like crazy. All of that could've been avoided if they'd just honestly WATCHED THE GAMES…and asked themselves questions like, "Why are Sanchez's passes almost never in the spot they're supposed to be?"…
By Ronbo19 on Jan 12, 2013 | Reply
S.C.JOE, I realize its winter so I cant help but wonder, has your breain gone into hibernation? Other than Ira you are the only person I have heard come out with even a sleight endorsement of Scott Cohen? Actually, as Rex's influence over Tannenbaum has been openly exposed, didn't you say recently that if you discovered Rex was in fact pulling the strings you would be done with him? As for Cohen, if you or anyone else thinks his selection as the new G.m is gonna be well recieved you are badley mistaken.I'm sure you heard the expression "if you are not a part of the soloution,you are a part of the problem. Sorry dude, no way I want to hear S.Cohen is our new G.M!
By Charliejet on Jan 12, 2013 | Reply
Tom 64 I got great song for Wrecks Ryan (throw in Johnson as well) Nowhere Man "He's as blind as he can see…" if Johnson ran his company like he does the Jets, I wouldn't be putting those Q-tips in my ears any time soon. You know what folks Wrecks is an intern GM as far as I'm concerned and who know maybe he will get that job as well – after all he is a sophisticated man. Yes sir Wrecks Ryan GM/head coach of the NYJ. Sonny Werblin where are you when we need you?This gets more painful every day tick, tick, tick…
By Charliejet on Jan 12, 2013 | Reply
Cohen will get the GM – you know that, don't you?
By Charliejet on Jan 12, 2013 | Reply
HEY FOLKS JAN. 12th 44 YEARS AGO TODAY!! 16-7…SUPER III
BOTH BITTER & HAPPY……. geeeez
By DKM on Jan 12, 2013 | Reply
Good class agree with ira shame on anybody who missed out or had to make a point not letting BP go in with CM,in your PC world you will never get the chance to fight for what you think is your little piece of entitlement, cause a coach is not giving you a interview or a news nugget to your likeings, in the end you still just a pencil pusher nothing more.
KLECKO should absolutely be in the HOF. Overdue
By GaryC on Jan 12, 2013 | Reply
Rex is living his inner Humphrey Bogart,as Captain Queeg,His paranoia needs to have everyone ousted from his inner circle,where are the strawberries.THE MUTINY WILL LEAD TO MUCH CAINE,but Rex will have total control,Egad.
By DKM on Jan 12, 2013 | Reply
JFS64 i want to make this 100% clear i was as so many very happy where MS and the Team as a whole was after first 2 years and also had a understanding how this team got to these 2 AFC championship games, and as so many other Fans thought, we schould have won against PITT. I also very much was aware of MS's shortcomings as QB in the NFL and wich clearly became more and more visible as year 3 went on. As i do believe, FO's, Coaches and QB's do deserve a fair amount of time to develop or put a winner on the field i felt MT, RR, MS deserved clearly another shot in year 4. cont.
By GaryC on Jan 12, 2013 | Reply
If it is all about the quarterback in football,it is all about the pitching in baseball,all about the goalie in hockey and all about the point guard in basketball.
By GaryC on Jan 12, 2013 | Reply
How did Steve McNair and Chad Pennington beat Peyton Manning in the Playoffs,if Joe Capps is still around.
By GaryC on Jan 12, 2013 | Reply
Byrdman,you are right,I would never lump Emmett Kelley with this bunch,they laughed at him for enjoyment,for the jets it is laughter out of stupidity.
By DKM on Jan 12, 2013 | Reply
TO get to my point yes im guilty of being a supporter of MS cause i believed, BUT NO, I WILL NOT sit here and support or say MS schould be our QB. Im also aware in what situation we are in, and if we would conduct business like every team in the NFL does after 4 years, i would right now be sitting here and typing as followed.
This was a bad season all around for my NYJ, what began as very succsessfull HC's rookiecareer and a seemingly good decision, after a failed brett farve era, for jets FO, cont
By IRA on Jan 12, 2013 | Reply
I think Rex needs to hire Jackson and not Cameron or MM. Jackson did a nice job with the Raiders and never should've been fired. He is a better offensive coach then Cameron is. And forget MM unless they have already decided they are bring in Vick which would be a mistake.
Looking back at this GM search well i am starting to believe they could very well go with one of the candidates that is a cap guy and if thats the case they should've kept Mr T. We are all getting impatient about the hire i will give them some credit for covering all their bases or is it just the fact that the top guys turned them down or J Hughes is dragging this out to justify him getting paid 200,000.00 which is very sad.
By DKM on Jan 12, 2013 | Reply
four years ago, Owner Woody Johnson anounced today Monday the 12/31 that he let go of the GM and the HC and has retained the services of well known Football Executive to begin the search for a Qualified replacment. Well good luck MT amd RR im looking forward as season ticket holder to new era and challenges. Sorry to see MS being released with 1 year left on his contract i thought he what it takes oh well just another one of these USC guys who didnt pan out in the NFL.
By DKM on Jan 12, 2013 | Reply
I also saw that specialteams coach MW wolud have loved to retire on a better note but he had a good run and that the ORG. decided not to retain the services of the QB coach, OC and DC and will evaluate the rest of the stuff in the comming weeks, sad to see some of these guys go, but a new GM will hopefully have the chance and time to make changes nescessary to make this a winning ORG again.GO JETS. I got some ideas on the draft…..ETC.
But instead ………… well we know the rest.
like blinka says who cares what i think
By DKM on Jan 12, 2013 | Reply
scjoe you are one of the guys with the most cosistency here if i agree with you or not, good points or bad, but after 4 years Rex with no power your willing to see what we get with Rex with power, even after a year of sticking to a guy who clearly couldnt QB for whatever reason, and couldnt decide what QB to dress when. And still has problems managing the simple things like a game clock.
By Mike Jet Vet on Jan 12, 2013 | Reply
robert, hit it right on the head, sure has there been other factors absolutely , main factor in my opinion, poor draft selection, very very bad scouting trading away very valued picks for less than talented players,
keeping the worst trading the best or better , Think back what has Sanchez and Greene alone cost us in picks which are as important in building a team as fables are to asop a pen in hand for Hemingway, Keller, Revis, Mangold , some will say Holmes, I won't,. are our very best all injured, NO DEPTH folks, no depth. Tanny was a mortal disaster in our FO by way of bad contract negotiations talent evauation Sanchez just as on the field.. Wilson, Vlad, VG, cost us at least 10 players by way of horrible draft strategy..
By Mike Jet Vet on Jan 12, 2013 | Reply
CONT> as a result no plan B like Patsys, Steelers, Giants,Player gets injured in comes their bench with these teams in some cases as much as 50% are actually better than who they replace.. That is no accident that's called successful planning, good scouting, better talent evaluation no denying it, On coaching in my opinion only difference between 90% is personalty most all if not all in have the same knowledge and playbooks, Difference is the Good or greats just use them in right situations, with disciplined system
By GaryC on Jan 12, 2013 | Reply
I know this will come up again this week with the games,and to save time and energy,the next time I hear elite and quality,I will have a two word rebuttal,that is MONTANA-BRADSHAW,all others follow.
By Jet Fan Since '64 Tom Watching the Defectives on Jan 12, 2013 | Reply
Hey scjoe, so you think we shouldn't fire Rex because there aren't really any experienced HCs who'd do much better. That's debatable, of course, because of what I say above about his mouth and because we went from Brett Favre lighting it up before he got hurt to Rex and his outdated, non-scoring O in only the few yrs Rex has been here. But how's this for a reason to get rid of Rex: He's so notoriously incompetent on O that the best we can do for an OC is the guy from Stanford! Sorry, this dude is holding back this org on too many levels to count and the whole league knows it. I'm rooting for 0-16 as long as he's around, with occasional shows of sympathy for a few players who deserve much better than this loser.
By MIKE on Jan 12, 2013 | Reply
Congratulations to Parcells, a true football genius. Could use some of that around the Jets today.
Wonder if MS is willing to restructure his contract for the Jets. The Jets should be trying to push MS into that, It would take some of the pressure off MS and let him compete for a job next year assuming the Jets won't be able to get a QB that would be a true #1 next season. It would help out the Jets in the salary cap mess they've created.
By BillsJets on Jan 12, 2013 | Reply
Hey Woody and Rex, If you wait any longer, there won't be any GMs or Coordinators to choose from.
By Michael P. Centanni on Jan 12, 2013 | Reply
I wanted Rex to go with Mr T I am so tired of the classless headlines! But the more I think about I wish they kept Mr.T and then after they go down in flames next year. The THREE AMIGOS all get canned! This looking for a GM to accept Rex is a joke, he is part of the decision making, are you serious? This is more and more looking like Dolan & Thomas! 10 years it took to clean up that mess!
I can't believe I bought 2 PSL's for this circus! The show goes on! So glad you are happy Woody!!!
By Jet Fan Since '64 Tom Watching the Defectives on Jan 12, 2013 | Reply
Yeah, sure can't wait for Goodell to ban kickoffs from the game, that return of Holliday's sure was boring. Somebody coulda gotten hurt, too!
By Jet Fan Since '64 Tom Watching the Defectives on Jan 12, 2013 | Reply
Oh yeah, and I love this cold weather, ground-and-pound, "Defense wins championships" game in Denver today, too. Ray Lewis is unstoppable, right…though I admit he was pretty good at stopping a judge from throwing his guilty butt in jail for life…
By GaryC on Jan 12, 2013 | Reply
It is so nice that Peyte Pooh lost,now we don't have to see the Manning clan in the private boxes during the Super Bowl
By Jet Fan Since '64 Tom Watching the Defectives on Jan 12, 2013 | Reply
Yeah, Bennett, I'm the funny guy for trying to get you to read the piece on the NFL site about how many more hits read-op QBs will take in their 1st few yrs. What's really funny is you lacking the foresight to envision this, from the NFL site today: "The biggest concern is the damage to the cartilage in Griffin's right knee, which has now been operated on three times. It's unclear how much cartilage remains in the knee after two ACL surgeries, raising concerns of an eventual bone-on-bone condition that could end Griffin's career prematurely."
By SCfromNY on Jan 13, 2013 | Reply
This GM search is very familiar. Remember when the Jets spent the whole FA signing time to pursue Asomagua (spell?)? It took all their time and the best FAs were gone. This is the same. By the time the GM is selected there will be no quality co-ordinaters available.
Better scouting could possibly find a starting QB in latter rounds. Gabbert was a 1rst rd and Wilson a 3rd. Who would you rather have? Brady 6th, Montana 3rd. The skills are there. We need competent scouting to find them. I didn't mention Sanchez since this was a QB discussion.
By SCfromNY on Jan 13, 2013 | Reply
Two off track comments:
Two of the top 5 defenses were "torched" in Saturday's playoffs. This how you win games. Expecting to win when scoring so few points is an era gone by.
I never liked the Tebow "experiment". But as an athlete and person he desearves another shot. He needs to use his fine character and realize his dream of being an NFL QB is over. Buy a juggs machine and try to convert to TE/H-back.
By GaryC on Jan 13, 2013 | Reply
We just added new quality to the quarterback brigade,Flacco and Kapernick,and Peyton just got a new pseudonym,CHOKER.
By MIKE on Jan 13, 2013 | Reply
Difficult to watch these great teams in the playoffs who can do it all. Baltimore who runs a more conservative offence has two good RB's that can average 4.5 YPC and a Tory Smith as the deep guy, Boldin in the middle and two good TE's. Oh and did I mention a great O line as well.
It;s too bad the Jets will be so thin at LB once they cut Scott, Thomas and Pace and probably have to use 1 of there top 2 picks on a LB cause they desperately need some bull dozers in the middle of that O line.
The 49ers drafted 2 O lineman in first round 3 years ago and look what they can do now .
By GaryC on Jan 13, 2013 | Reply
JetFanTom,what guy from Stanford as OC,the jets should be so lucky,they have had much more success then the jets recently,did not catch this name,run it by me.
By Jet Fan Since '64 Tom Watching the Defectives on Jan 13, 2013 | Reply
Hey GaryC, this is from Cimini's piece today "A Mass Rex-odus:" Coaches on the run: Rex Ryan has always talked about being surrounded by such a talented coaching staff. Don't look now, Rex, but your staff is half gone. All told, there have been eight changes since the end of the season, including three coordinators, three position coaches and two assistant position coaches." I see no reason to believe this isn't one of the main things that's going on in terms of our failure to attract a good GM or OC, so yeah, GaryC, you can officially declare "Love of Rex Theory" DEAD! But of course, I've been saying there isn't much to love about this loser for two years now. Ira, please stop talking about Rex as if he's anything but an albatross.
By Jet Fan Since '64 Tom Watching the Defectives on Jan 13, 2013 | Reply
Okay, GaryC, so Manning and Rodgers had below-par games for them which were still better than almost any game Sanchez has played and they lost. Flacco and Kaepernick had elite-type games that Sanchez has never matched and never will and they won. So your pt is? How does any of what happened yesterday or is gonna happen today have anything to do with Rex sticking with the worst starting QB in the NFL while everybody's laughing at us? I agree with you about Rex and THE CAINE MUTINY, though. When Norv Turner takes the Browns, possibly the only team in the league with a worse QB situation than us, over us you KNOW nobody's drawn to this team because of Rex, as Woody so ridiculously claims.
By Jet Fan Since '64 Tom Watching the Defectives on Jan 13, 2013 | Reply
Good one, Charliejet, but the verse is actually even more appropriate than you suggest except for the last line: "He's as blind as he can be/Just sees what he wants to see/Isn't he a bit like you and me?" — no, he's not at all like me and most of the people on this site, Woody! And here's another bit of Beatlemania that's eerily on-target, from George's "Within You Without You": "We were talking about the space between us all/And the people who hide themselves behind a wall of illusion/Never glimpse the truth/Then it's far too late" — and then jumping to the last verse: "They don't know/They can't see/Are you one of them?" Dig out your old vinyl copy of SGT. PEPPER'S, Ira, Rex couldn't fix this team in 10 yrs much less in 10 months.
By Jet Fan Since '64 Tom Watching the Defectives on Jan 13, 2013 | Reply
Cimini and another guy on ESPN say it's down to Angelo and Cohen, which says it all. Woody knows he needs a real GM but he's tempted to hire Mr T-Lite. Neither will work as long as Rex is around unless we get, say, Stafford and 3 great OL guys by next June, which ain't happening. So I continue to follow this with low interest, knowing that it doesn't get real until Rex and maybe Woody are gone. If I didn't sit at a keyboard for most days working, it would be easy to pay no attention to this circus, but the circus is more entertaining than work sometimes. scjoe, Cimini also reports that some in the org were disgusted with the HIll pick, so there's a pt for you. But I say any team so weak on O could pick 7 WRs and it wouldn't be a mistake.
By scjoe on Jan 13, 2013 | Reply
Ron, I did not endorse Cohen or anyone else with my comment, what I said, and I will stand by it, is no matter who the selection is there will be criticizing right from the get go instead of waiting for a complete body of work. How did you possibly get an endorsement out of that comment? DKM, I never said Ryan was God, he has made a few mistakes, notably hiring Sparano to a position that he was clearly under qualified for. Show me a competent OC and I will show you a much better "defensive minded" HC. Also, I don't think Rex will have any more, or less say in personnel decisions no matter who the GM is, that has already been stated by WJ.
By scjoe on Jan 13, 2013 | Reply
64, I can only go with the same argument I have been going with for 3 years now, Rex Ryan does not have final say, or in most cases, ANY say in personnel decisions. He works with what he is given by the GM and FO, that is clear! Do you believe he has done a pretty decent job with the defense giving the overall lack of talent on that unit? Be honest! Where is the pass rush? Where is the speed at the LB position? Where is the nickel back? Could they do worse if a HC change is made? Remember, ALL defensive minded HCs are limited in their knowledge of the offense,(and visa versa) that is why the OC hired is key. Again, show me a "competent" OC, QB, and RB, then we can re visit this issue.
By scjoe on Jan 13, 2013 | Reply
64, with all due respect, and you know I have that, if you truly are rooting for an 0-16 season just for the purposes of firing a HC, I have to question your loyalty as a true Jet fan. To me, the only thing I want to see on any given Sunday, or Monday, is a win! I don;t care how that win effects draft position, playoff implications or anything else. Just win baby!!
By scjoe on Jan 13, 2013 | Reply
Now that the GM search is winding down we can only hope that they make the right decision. After all is said and done I could live with Angelo and his years and years of experience at the GM position, OR, Kahn, cap guy or not. I don't see him as another Tannenbaum with a massive ego problem (how he got one I will never know) that is why there is a scouting dept in place, no teams GM acts solely on his own input, although I have to question if T Bum did at times. Remember, anything (including Cohen Ron) would be an upgrade.
By scjoe on Jan 13, 2013 | Reply
GaryC, are you saying QBs didn't have major influence on the outcomes of yesterdays playoff games? Elite, quality, competent or otherwise? Sorry man, believe it or not, like it or not, it IS a QB driven league!!
By Tom Spicer on Jan 13, 2013 | Reply
How did those ELITE QBS make out yesterday. Peyton & Rodgers both lost! Where is JOE CAPS?
By Another Tom on Jan 13, 2013 | Reply
Too bad the Jets did'nt have the insight to draft Kapernik or R Wilson. I guess it was'nt a need considering we already had a franchise QB..MS and His contract is going to negatively impact this teams direction for years to come. M-E-S-S…mess mess mess. How long can this go on ???
By Tom Spicer on Jan 13, 2013 | Reply
Appearing on FOX NFL Sunday, Jay Glazer said the Jets "can't give the position away" when talking about their general manager vacancy.
"They're calling back candidates who already turned them down," added Glazer. "Their cap situation, personnel, QB and the circus turned a lot of candidates off." One of those candidates could be 49ers director of player personnel Tom Gamble, who was once considered the odds-on-favorite for the job but may have spurned the Jets. ESPN's Adam Schefter mentioned earlier on Sunday that ex-Bears GM Jerry Angelo is a "name to watch."
By Jet Fan Since '64 Tom Watching the Defectives on Jan 13, 2013 | Reply
The coolest thing about the SEA/ATL game from a Jet fan's perspective — or maybe I should say from a Rex apologist's perspective — is that if we'd gotten the ball back on our 28 with 30 seconds to go down by 1, Rex woulda just told Mark to take a knee twice and concede defeat. But hey, Ira's happy because Leon had a long kickoff return. And Bennett, before you get too excited about Wilson's "nice" 55 yds rushing, take a look at his passing — 23-34, 379 yds, 3 TDs, and his only INT on the Hail Mary pass at the end, leading the team to 4 TDs to take the lead and almost pull off a comeback win from down 20-0 at the half. Then tell me when Sanchez ever had or ever will have a game like that for us or anybody else.
By Jet Fan Since '64 Tom Watching the Defectives on Jan 13, 2013 | Reply
Sorry, Bennett, I didn't completely factor in that last-ditch drive — Wilson was 24-36, 385 and only 2 TDs to go with the last-minute pick. It'll still be a cold day in a domed stadium when Sanchez can come close to either that or Ryan's game today. Sanchez's shining moment is coming back to within one TD vs. PIT after his awful first half and Butt Fumble-like fumble at that half, but then that counts for a great game for many Jet fans, who haven't seen a consistently dangerous QB in green and white since O'Brien. And aren't going to see one, at least as long as Rex is here — though I'm already bracing myself for his raves about Jason Campbell or somebody like that when that's the best we can do next yr.
By scjoe on Jan 13, 2013 | Reply
Tell you what, if the Seattle Seahawks were out of time outs they win that game, then, the question would become, does Russell Wilson deserve to be put into the MVP conversation? I say yes! Who was that who said you could only get "franchise" QBs in the first round? Well, this guy is a franchise QB. On another note, or should I say on the same ol note, once again the QB play decided who wins and who loses that game, that makes 7 out of 8 so far, I will go out on a limb here and say that the Houston/NE game follows suit and makes it 8 out of 8
By Charliejet on Jan 13, 2013 | Reply
BillsJets I know what your sayin' pal. Jets will be running out of options soon and either Cohen will stand or Wrecks will be will be coach/general manager – you'll see!
By scjoe on Jan 13, 2013 | Reply
64, yes, I read that on Cimini's column, but I didn't need Cimini to tell me the Hill pick was a horrible selection, I knew that the day he was drafted. Spicer, I know you like to get a whammy in whenever possible about those "elite" QBs (Manning & Rodgers this time) but the fact is, they were out played by "other" QBs. Call those other QBs anything you like, but they out played Manning and Rodgers and their teams move on. Common denominator? Quality at the QB position gives you the best chance to win!
By GaryC on Jan 13, 2013 | Reply
Scjoe,I believe it is a HARBAUGH DRIVEN LEAGUE.
By GaryC on Jan 13, 2013 | Reply
Scjoe,anybody who puts his hands behind the rump of a center you believe is the reason a team wins a game,your becoming more like Joe Capps everyday.You will have to expand your myopic view of the football game,or like I said in a previous post,you can go any decade and a quarterback has to be decent or your team isn't getting to the playoffs anyway.Joe Capps kept saying the elite quarterbacks keep passing off the super bowl trophy,didn't that happen in the 70's when Staubach,Griese and Bradshaw kept passing it around.
By GaryC on Jan 13, 2013 | Reply
JetFanTom,you said it,the jets really haven't had a quarterback threat since O'Brien,that being said,You still bring up Sanchez and now you are comparing him to Flacco and Kapernick,he is old news now,Move on and get the ideas on how to improve the team then continually knocking deadwood.Just bringing in Curtis Martin as a group to buy the team won't do it.
By GaryC on Jan 13, 2013 | Reply
Scjoe,seeing that you see the games you mentioned on a previous post that how can Ronbo and myself see drafting a tightend,did you see how Zach Miller,Vernon Davis,Dennis Pitta and Gonzalez played.Do you see how big,athletic tightends open up the defenses and did you see running backs going 40 yards down the field catching footballs,don't see that with the jets backs,Look at more then the quarterback.
By Jet Fan Since '64 Tom Watching the Defectives on Jan 13, 2013 | Reply
That's partly rhetorical about 0-16, scjoe, but I'd also direct you to klecko's post about fans can't stay fans when the FO is a joke. What's happening now is the start of how franchises are sold or move or even both, as we've just seen with the Nets. I've stuck around all these yrs but I didn't want to team to go to NJ, didn't want Hess to stay the owner, and now don't want the team to stay in NJ and don't want Woody to stay the owner. Rex and Sanchez, who are disgraces, don't even enter into it. Extreme situations call for extreme measures, read the "Can't Give It Away" story on the NFL site to see what a disaster this team has become. If it takes a bit more failure to turn this org around, I can hardly object to that. (see next post)
By Jet Fan Since '64 Tom Watching the Defectives on Jan 13, 2013 | Reply
For more on my tone in rooting for 0-16, scjoe, watch Mitchell Ryan's scene in the police station with Richard Jordan when he tells the young cop what beat he'll be back on if he doesn't take the assignment he's just been given seriously in THE FRIENDS OF EDDIE COYLE. Randy can't print the words Ryan uses, but Ryan's tone to Jordan is the one I'd use to you regarding whether you're up for another 6-10/nothing really changes yr. As for elite QBs, the average score of this weekend's games, rounded up from .5, was 39-31. Call 'em great or star or superstar or elite or whatever you wanna call 'em, but you need a QB like the 4 who are left in the running to get even close to the SB.
By scjoe on Jan 13, 2013 | Reply
Ron, (from a previous story) I would love that trade down with the Rams you mentioned. I would go OLB and RB with those two 1st round picks. OL in rd #2 and QB in rd 3. I agree NO QBs are worthy of a #9 in the 1st round, but I really like the QB field for the 2nd and 3rd round. As for that TE? Nothing more then a 4 or 5. I honestly believe that if you get really lucky, and hit home runs with the aforementioned picks, AND come up with a competent OC, you will see a change beyond your wildest dreams.
By Jet Fan Since '64 Tom Watching the Defectives on Jan 13, 2013 | Reply
Also, scjoe, I think you're misinterpreting the data on Rex to some extent, and on this pt I refer you to Arte, who's been telling me for 2 yrs that Rex is running the show, from picking Sanchez to bothering Mr T for Holmes and many other moves, some good but most bad in my view. I think a lot of the guys we have and certainly are lot of the guys we're playing have to do with Rex so I see no reason not to put the emphasis on losing Rex. And by the way, the SB can sometimes be low-scoring — though just as often now it's HIGH-scoring — because when you see that trophy only a half or qtr away, it's not unreasonable to play it safe. GaryC, the Stanford OC story was on ESPN or NFL yesterday, I'd find it for you but I gotta get back to work.
By IRA on Jan 13, 2013 | Reply
If they are going after Lee already which would be a good hire i beleive they have their OC. It wouldn't make sense for Rex to hire the QB that should be the OC.
A lot of you are way down on Cohen and you shouldn't be. Regardless if he gets the job or not he is a good football man and knows his stuff. Problem with the personnel goes way beyond the scouting dept in my opinion. Thats the real problem. If its Cohen or Angelo they are both good i do not want to see Kahn that would be a mistake.
By Jet Fan Since '64 Tom Watching the Defectives on Jan 13, 2013 | Reply
Here it is, GaryC, from Cimini: "The Jets will interview Stanford offensive coordinator Pep Hamilton for their offensive-coordinator vacancy, according to CBSSports.com. The meeting will occur Monday or Tuesday. Hamilton has no coordinator experience on the NFL level, but he worked as a quarterbacks coach with the Jets (1994-1995), 49ers (2006) and Bears (2007-2009). He has been at Stanford since 2010, coaching wide receivers, quarterbacks (Andrew Luck) and ascending to the coordinator job in 2011. Nationally, Stanford was No. 6 in scoring and No. 11 in total offense."
By MIKE on Jan 13, 2013 | Reply
I can see the job posting in the NY Times right now.
General Management postion available.
Come join the circus at Met Life Stadium.
Must be able to sign bad 30 year players to huge guaranteed contracts.
Need to be able to trade $8.5mil brutal QB.
Can't really make any decisions on there own.
Have to be able to draft underachieving players know one else wants.
Can't bring in own coaching staff.
Need to be able to get starting QB, RB, WR, OG, DE/OLB, S and MLB through draft and FA with zero bargaining tools.
Please send resume CO R.Ryan.
By Jet Fan Since '64 Tom Watching the Defectives on Jan 14, 2013 | Reply
For those of you on the wrong side of the elite QB question, and you know who you are, from Walker on ESPN: "Brady has a way of consistently making good defenses look ordinary. Houston's seventh-ranked group allowed 83 points in two games against Brady this season. Sorry, Baltimore Ravens, Atlanta Falcons and San Francisco 49ers, but there is only one elite quarterback left in the NFL playoffs — and he resides in New England. No one is going to stop a focused and determined Brady from capturing his fourth Super Bowl title, which would tie an NFL record with Hall of Fame quarterbacks Joe Montana and Terry Bradshaw." He also points out that NE is 4-1 without Gronk and has easily adjusted to the loss of him.
By GaryC on Jan 14, 2013 | Reply
Unitas leads the Colts back against the Giants in windswept Yankee Stadium in the 1958 championship,Starr leads the Packers back in the Ice Bowl in 1967,Montana leads the 49ers on the last drive to beat Bengals in the super bowl.Sorry guys,they did not all of a sudden invent quarterbacks in this decade that lead teams to victory,their was more quality back then.
By ELI RODRIGUEZ on Jan 14, 2013 | Reply
So many American out of work and no one willing to take this GM job. I really would like to have a break down as to why. Out of 100%– is 90% the salary cap but as a GM (That's would be your job to fix-right) or maybe what's left of the front office, when your employee REX–indirectly has more power than you.(Yeah, that's one is crazy) No wait I get it, it's the city—-THAT'S NOT IT WE PLAY IN JERSEY. I believe ALL this GM interview with us out of COURTESY, THEY DIDN'T WANT TO BE SEEM NOT INTERESTING IN A GM SPOT. (JUST NOT THE JETS)—- An outsider can judge you more objectively– It's a sad-sad situation……..Which Free agent want to be here or ROOKIES OR OUR OWN PLAYERS……
By harry-o on Jan 14, 2013 | Reply
any one know if Tbaum is being pursued or considered ? just wondering.
By scjoe on Jan 14, 2013 | Reply
GaryC…WRONG!! I do not believe that ANYONE putting their hands behind the rump of the center is the reason a team wins. After all, I have been watching a certain loser who puts his hands behind the rump of a center for 4 years now, and he can't seem to win. The problem with you is you are still living in the past. You love the old Pittsburgh Steeler mentality of the 70s as opposed to the NFL of 2013. You did notice that the lowest scoring teams of this weekend (28 pts) both lost? That would automatically eliminate the Jets had they gotten there by some miracle.
By scjoe on Jan 14, 2013 | Reply
GaryC, let me direct you back, oh, about 5 or 6 weeks ago to that epic battle between our very own NY Jets and the Arizona Cardinals. You do remember that classic don't you? How did both "guys who had their hands behind the centers rump" work out in that thriller? Do you think that if at least one of the two teams had any resemblance of a QB that we all would have been spared that snoozer? C'mon man, this is the 2000s not the 60s and 70s.
By scjoe on Jan 14, 2013 | Reply
64, when it comes down to it, I will put my money on what Woody Johnson (the owner) says in public about exactly who has the final say on personnel decisions, not Arte. I think you are becoming obsessed with the fact that Rex Ryan is solely responsible for who is drafted, how they are developed and how much they earn. That just not is the case. Believe me, I totally understand what you are saying about the buffoon type attitude from Ryan, I am not a huge fan of it either, but the simple fact is, it don't really matter in the grand scheme of things. You didn't answer my question as to how you feel Rex has handled the D, given what he has to work with.
By scjoe on Jan 14, 2013 | Reply
GaryC, re: the TEs, I am not downplaying what a "quality" TE is, or is not capable of. What I am saying is this NY Jets team, with all of it's needs, (QB, RB, OLB, OL, S, WR etc.) should NOT be looking at TEs in round 1, 2, 3, or even 4. You know, pretty much what I said last draft about that WR taken in the 2nd round. If they select a TE in the 1st or 2nd round, which of the above positions do you believe is less necessary?
By GaryC on Jan 14, 2013 | Reply
Jetfantom,I agree,finally with you,that is ONE ELITE QUARTERBACK,not eight or nine that everyone is mentioning,Brady and only Brady.As for Pep Hamilton,when I heard the name I remembered him from the Jets,so he is just another recycled coach,I would have hoped they went for David Shaw who coached under Harbaugh and is now their head coach,they say he won't leave but if you make them an offer they can't refuse,who knows.
By GaryC on Jan 14, 2013 | Reply
Jetfantom,taking nothing away from Brady but do you think in part it could be the scheme,they lose gronkowski and woodhead and don't miss a beat,this system even made Cassell look halfway decent.
By Mike Jet Vet on Jan 14, 2013 | Reply
off topic, Hippocrates are in my opinion, cancer to fairness and logical reasoning,especially where humans are concerned .Take Tebow. Denver he had success even won a playoff game, won a Heisman as well got traded.. Jets pick him never gave him chance to prove himself. yet I hear so much negative towards him, Yet Players like M-Robinson QB from Penn state was bounced from team to team playing various positions not a word . Tebow religion is very important, Yet the press makes him a outcast, anyone know his reason? thankful to his Mom she didn't have that abortion she was contemplating. Ray Lewis Thanks God everyday for almost every play. that's a good thing right?
By GaryC on Jan 14, 2013 | Reply
Give the gm job to McElroy,he is the smartest guy in the organization,make him player coach.He played for Saban,that would account for something,at least he knows SEC talent when he sees it.
By Mike Jet Vet on Jan 14, 2013 | Reply
CONT. I'm not saying he would be great even good, But I believe on character, effort, the pure human being this kid has shown the world, he deserves a shot how about some respect at the very least.. Ryan's situation is somewhat different but like I've said he has had more success than any coach to date..he may not be a model Citizen, pillar of the community, even a great coach, HE DESERVES one more shot TOM64 get off the horse Bud he made a mistake with Sanchez get over it like I did, Next year, he gives us all the same nonsense I'll sit in front of Metlife and boycott him myself….
By IRA on Jan 14, 2013 | Reply
Gary, You are so right I am old enough to remember those days and Unitas up until now has always been the best QB in my books. Well if Brady does get another ring this year i will put him at #1.
Tom, Hamilton was on Herm's staff from 03-05 as a OCQ, QB and WR in those three years. Wouldn't mind seeing him on the staff but not as an OC right now.
By STRONKO SQUIRREL on Jan 14, 2013 | Reply
whoever said that hoping for an 0-16 season was giving up is dead wrong. it should be correctly categorized as "not being complacent". we hace hit rock bottom but instead of turning around and looking for ways to rebuild we are going to languish with REx. get rid of REx you get rid of your problems getting a GM. get a new GM, new staff, new start. fresh lease on life. thats what this team needs. Rex still thinks this is a win now team.
Oh and by the way, salt in teh wound New Engalnd flourishes while we languish,
By since shea on Jan 14, 2013 | Reply
2013 Jet salaries are 147Mil as they stand right now. The no brainer cuts we have all mentioned are 35Mil. That lowers salary to 112Mil. Cap estimates to be 132Mil for 2013, up from 130Mil in 2012. Do the math mr.spicer. Thats 20Mil under the cap before renegotiations. I have talked about jetscap.com many weeks ago. Is it enough to fix our problems through draft and FE? Thanks to Tbomb and Rex, not nearly enough. But its a start, so dont despair! Get an O line! TE, OLB. Between late this draft or early next draft get a real QB candidate. Look at the running lanes and pass protection for most of these teams! Trade down from #9 and get O line! As for Brady, is he the best ever? I thought Montana. Now, Im not so sure.
By since shea on Jan 14, 2013 | Reply
The Steven Hill draft choice……….Didn't Rex admit after the first game this season that it wasnt his idea to draft the kid? Whose idea was it? Was Clinkscales still around for that one or was it Terry Bradway and his staff? If it was Bradway, he is still here identifying talent. The media is making it sound that nobody wants to come to the "circus". If thats true, thats sad but I have a problem believing A. everything the media says……… B. that a multi million dollar salaried GM job is being spurned? Yes, 6 of 9 coaches walked out voluntarily. But, just like the draft, there is plenty of talent out there. You have to be smart enough to find it. Didnt someone find Kurt Warner like that? Thinking outside the box?
By Ronbo19 on Jan 14, 2013 | Reply
S.C.Joe,Concerning Rex & drafting a T.E, not wanting to drag these 2 topic's on&on lets just do what we always do when we cant find common ground;Agree to disagree.IRA, my only concern with Cohen is he is Tanny's boy.Truthfully, I know next to nothing out him and quite frankly i'm beginning to think he might be the lesser of two evils as if Rex's flames out as many here expect it will be easier to dump Cohen with him than Angelo after only one year.I am curious, what makes you think Cohen is a good choice?
By GaryC on Jan 14, 2013 | Reply
Scjoe,this is how your dissatisfaction with Sanchez is manifesting itself,he is so lousy every other quarterback in the league seems elite,now if you were a Giant fan in the mid 60's and was rooting for Gary Wood and other teams had Unitas,Starr,Namath,Lamonica,those quarterbacks would be elite as would Norm Snead,Charley Johnson,Roman Gabriel,Don Meredith,see all other qbs besides Wood would be elite,when compared to lousy.
By Tom Spicer on Jan 14, 2013 | Reply
I see the excuses coming out already. Lets be clear the Seahawks, Redskins, 49ers, vikings, houston & ravens are ALL running the ball & defensive oriented teams.
By Tom Spicer on Jan 14, 2013 | Reply
SCJoe, Lets not re write history Kaepernick passed for 263 yards the 49ers RAN for 323 they are a running & defensive oreinted team they won cause they ran the ball down the Packers throat.
By Tom Spicer on Jan 14, 2013 | Reply
P.S. on the above Kaepernick & Rodegrs "passign numbers" were exactly the same.
By pete on Jan 14, 2013 | Reply
Just in from the sports exchange, That numerous potential G.M. candidates that have interviewed, Has turned down the position.
By Tom Spicer on Jan 14, 2013 | Reply
Ravens VS Broncos Peyton & Flacco had very similar numbers. The difference in the game was Ray Rice rolling up 131 yards on Denver in Denver.
By Tom Spicer on Jan 14, 2013 | Reply
SCJoe, You said every team that had the better QB play won? Really Wilson 385 yards, 3 TDS, 1 pick & 60 yards rushing. Ryan 250 yards, 3 TDS & 2 picks. Wilson had 135 more passing yards, 1 more TD, 60 more rushing yards & 1 less pick but lost. I would say Wilson played MUCH better & LOST!
By Tom Spicer on Jan 14, 2013 | Reply
Marshwan Lynch the Seahawks stud RB was bottled up by the Falcon D he had a whopping 46 yards on 16 carrys for a 2.9 average (that is Shonne Greene esque) On the other side of the ball Mike Turner & Jacquzzi Rodgers ran for 162 yards. Now since Wilson outplayed Ryan I think it is safe to say the Falcons won cause of there D stopping Lynch & there running game. Cause Ryan got outplayed by Wilson.
By Tom Spicer on Jan 14, 2013 | Reply
Pats VS Texans Brady 344 yards, 3 TDS & 62%. Schaub 343 yards, 2 TDS, 66% & 1 pick. Brady slightly VERY slightly outplayed Schaub. The difference is the Pats D held the all world Arian Foster to 90 yards rushinf while the Pats backs of Ridley & Vereen rolled up 123 yards rushing on the Texans. Does anyone see a pattern in these games?
By Tom Spicer on Jan 14, 2013 | Reply
Where is JOE CAPS by the way? He has his tail between his legs & he is not showing his face. If the Pats win he will post writing in all caps about how you have to have a ELITE QB blah blah blah. But if the Pats lose he will not man up & come hear & admit that he was wrong or he will start making excuses about how Joe "the game manager" Flacco, Matt " I just won my 1st playoff game" Ryan or Kolin "I have started 8 NFL game in my life" Kapernick are ELITE!
By since shea on Jan 14, 2013 | Reply
Assuming we get a big TE in the draft, how would it be to resign Keller on the cheap and use him alot as a slot receiver on one side (with Kerley in the other slot when we are 4 wide)? With a strong O line giving us passing and running lanes, who knows? Throw in an OLB to start with Demario Davis? We could get competitive again. The media says no one wants the lousy jet GM job for a couple of million $$ in salary. The same media that reported Tebow to be a sure thing going to Jax. These guys got used to colorful story lines from the NYJ. Its their fix now. Why work to come up with interesting stories when you have the jets right?With a muzzle on Rex, they lose stuff to say. Dont believe everything you hear.
By Jet Fan Since '64 Tom Watching the Defectives on Jan 14, 2013 | Reply
Yeah, GaryC, I saw all those TE's play and it's true, unlike Keller they can block and they know where the 1st-down mark is. But I also saw those QBs put the ball exactly where it needs to be time and time again, which Sanchez almost never does. Of course we can't have a GM like Mr T, who throws money at 3 of 4 players and then has none left over for others, but not too much of that is gonna matter without, as scjoe puts it, "quality at the QB position." That job listing is hilarious, MIKE! Ira, the real problem is that any new GM is gonna want 2 or 3 yrs to build the team while Rex is gonna be out there telling us that with Jason Campbell and some rookie LBs we can beat NE. That situation makes no sense, of course, but neither does Woody.
By Tom Spicer on Jan 14, 2013 | Reply
Also in regards to histroy last year in the 2 conference championship games let go over what happened. The best team does not always win. The 49ers MANHANDELED the Giants the G men could not maove the ball vs the 49ers. Eli got hit 20 times & sacked 6 times. The punt returner muffed 2 punts inside his own 20 that gave the Giants the ball in the red zone twice which the Giants turned into 10 or half of there points. The 49er D held them to 10 points minus the 2 turnovers. The 49ers were CLEARLY the bettter team!
By Tom Spicer on Jan 14, 2013 | Reply
In the AFC the Ravens held the Pats to 20 points in New England. There D shut Brady down. Brady had a 55 rating, 239 yards passing, 2 picks & ZERO TDS! The Ravens drove the ball down the filed to win the game the WR Lee Evans dropped a TD that hit him in the chest with no one near him that would have won the game. 1 play later the Ravens pro bowl kicker Stoffer misses a chip shot that he makes 99 out 0f 100 times. AGAIN the Ravens DOMINATED the Pats they were clearly the better team that day. Luck & luck only gave that game to the Pats!
By SCfromNY on Jan 14, 2013 | Reply
Just like to shoot some comments about "elite" QBs. You can win with really good QBs who are not elite BUT you can not do that if the coach is inept and has no personel. We can go on and on about who is elite. Coaching does matter BUT only if accompanied by quality players. Giants vs Broncos SB. Even Giant fans would not say Simms was better than Elway Parcells decisions and ability to adjust at half time are unmatched.
SB Giants vs Bills. The one the Bills were finally supposed to win. No one in the world, even Sanchez fans would compare Hostetler to elite.
You win with quality coaching and players. An elite QB can power your team BUT a very good QB can succeed also. BTW Sanchez is none of those.
By Jet Fan Since '64 Tom Watching the Defectives on Jan 14, 2013 | Reply
Ira, the evidence is mounting that 2013 will be a stopgap yr for this franchise. It's clear that nobody of any consequence wants the GM job given Rex, Sanchez, our cap problems, Holmes and Revis coming off injuries, and our weak roster. Cohen would be easy to fire after 1 yr, given he'd be grateful just to put GM on his resume. The kind of coaches we're talking about hiring — Cameron, Morning-what-sis, Lee — are solidly in the Sparano mold, guys who've failed lately, who need a job badly, and who will be easy to dismiss at this time next yr, just like Rex will be. With the QB field in both the draft and FA weak this yr and Woody owing $ Mr T threw at Rex and MS, maybe this makes sense from an owner's pt of view but it's rough on us fans.
By Jet Fan Since '64 Tom Watching the Defectives on Jan 14, 2013 | Reply
scjoe, Rex did fine with the D because he's a DC, not a HC. GaryC, the scheme at NE helps as does the roster but the scheme doesn't see passing lanes expertly and put the ball exactly where it needs to be 99% of the time except when he's got a broken left shoulder like last yr in the SB on the throw to Welker, Brady does all that. MJV, it took 4 yrs for Rex to wake up to how pro football's played these days and I see no reason I should have any great respect for that. He shoulda been putting Sanchez's feet to the fire no later than the PIT playoff loss and I said it at the time, but instead he spent 2 more yrs telling us "Mark gives us the best chance to win." Rex is a loser and we'll lose as long as his outdated ways are driving this team.
By Jet Fan Since '64 Tom Watching the Defectives on Jan 14, 2013 | Reply
Thanks, STRONKO, I was the one who said I have no problem with 0-16 next yr and may even root for it if it helps turn the team around for real like you're saying. I mean MJV, what do you expect Rex to do in 1 yr given the problems that we have? And do you really think Rex deserves another 3-4 yrs to turn this team around? So that we can be listening to his nonsense 2 yrs from now when NE or the Giants are winning the SB in our stadium? Better to cut bait now and take it like a man. Spicer, I'll refer you to SCfromNY's column about how you obviously need D, running, toned and curvy cheerleaders and everything else but if you ain't got a real QB you ain't gettin' a Lombardi and we ain't got one nor a HC who'd know what to do with one.
By GaryC on Jan 14, 2013 | Reply
Tom Spicer,Joe Capps has done a better disappearing act then Houdini,and his comrade in arms,Bennett,I believe locked himself in the darkroom trying to find more Tarkenton tape,or he is trying to get an update on how long RG3 is out so he can make his reappearance.
By GaryC on Jan 14, 2013 | Reply
scjoe,that steeler mentality beat the cowboys twice,first game they scored 21 points,next game they scored 35 points against the doomsday defense,they had swann,stallworth,Franco,they could beat you anyway you wanted,and the Steel Curtain,that team can be a template for teams today,not one dimensional,give me a team today that good,and the patriots defense is not as good.
By GaryC on Jan 14, 2013 | Reply
scjoe,one more thing on those steelers,when Bradshaw was injured,they went undefeated playing with Mike Kruczek,a lousy quarterback,not elite,not quality,not even good.
By GaryC on Jan 14, 2013 | Reply
just to amend my last comment,I believe the steelers started 1-4 and then went like nine straight wins with a quarterback who hasn't been heard from since.
By GaryC on Jan 14, 2013 | Reply
Scjoe,you are actually telling me that those steeler teams could not hold up against all these throwing teams of today,those steeler teams were beating the cliff branch and biletnikoff raiders,the dan fouts,charlie joiner,kellen winslow chargers.
By Jet Fan Since '64 Tom Watching the Defectives on Jan 14, 2013 | Reply
By the way, Spicer, the pattern I mostly see is you looking at numbers and drawing outrageous conclusions, like with your comparison of Schaub and Brady yesterday. This is EXACTLY what you did with Sanchez for 2 yrs and it leads me to EXACTLY the question I'd always ask you back then: DID YOU WATCH THE GAME? The game was almost never in doubt and was never as close as the final score. Brady dominated and Schaub struggled. Brady was confident on every play and Schaub looked baffled half the time and just plain dropped the ball on one play. And here's another piece of the Spicer Pattern — inflating someone's play with GARBAGE-TIME STATS, which is all that Schaub had. PLEASE START WATCHING THE GAMES before you post this nonsense again!
By IRA on Jan 14, 2013 | Reply
Tom, Yes it makes all the sense for the owner to stay in house with Cohen because of all the points you made plus he and the personnel dept have been getting ready for the 013 draft since Aug and free agency. Plus I would think Rex would be comfortable working with him and Woody has commited to Rex for at least the 013 season.
Ron, Cohen has 20 plus years in the personnel side and has come up with some good free agents for the Jets the past few years.
If Angelo gets it if Rex doesn't have a good year and Woody makes a change Lovie Smith is a lock if he doesn't get a HC job this year. I have faith in Rex as a coach and hope it works out and they get better.
Go Jets!!!!
By Jet Fan Since '64 Tom Watching the Defectives on Jan 14, 2013 | Reply
From Rosenthal on the NFL site: "We'll withhold judgement on the Jets' searches until they make their hires, but the early signs aren't promising for Jets fans. It doesn't appear like the team had a clear plan of action heading into the offseason." This is the problem with going easy on Rex and Sanchez, MJV. They had 2 good yrs (only Jet fans think losing the AFC title game is "great"), 1 weak yr, and 1 disaster. Right now Rex is the only football person even talking to Woody while everyone else with a resume, even on our own coaching staff, goes elsewhere. There's no downside to firing Rex and declaring 2013 Year 1 of serious rebuilding, unless you're like Woody, Rex, and a few delusional fans on this site who still think we're "close."
By Tom Spicer on Jan 14, 2013 | Reply
Since Shea, For arguements sake lets say your $20 MIL number is right. Teams ear mark $5MIL for there draft picks that knocks it down to $15MIL. Landry made $3.5 MIL lets say he signs back for $4MIL. If Keller signs back for the exact same money he made last year $3MIL. That is $7MIL or half your money already gone on 2 guys leaving you with $8MIL. If Moore also signs back for the same exact money $2.5MIL that leaves you with $5.5MIL. We still have to sign Mike Devito, Matt Slauson, Braylon Edwards, Yerimiah Bell & Shonne Greene if you get all 5 of those guys for $1MIL each. That leaves you with a WHOPPING $500k to sign free agents with. AGAIN we do not have any money for free agents & will NOT be big players in it!
By Jet Fan Since '64 Tom Watching the Defectives on Jan 14, 2013 | Reply
One more thing, Spicer, and this is a REALLY big black mark on Rex's record: If he hadn't maintained this absurd fiction that "Mark's elite," "Mark's the starter," and so on, Mr T would NEVER have dreamed up the ridiculous idea of giving Sanchez MORE money after his worst of 3 sometimes promising, sometimes disappointing yrs. So now that we're hamstrung by MS's contract, don't ask me or anyone else on this site to forget who the clueless-on-O HC was who tried to hype MS to stardom. Same to you, Ira, you're bucking for the status of the most lenient judge of malefactors in the tri-state area since the notorious "Turn 'Em Loose Bruce" Wright in the '70s. (He let EVERYBODY off no matter how many priors they had or WHAT they'd done.)
By Karan on Jan 14, 2013 | Reply
I just knew it, a rematch between NE and BAL. I hope the Ravens destroy pretty boy Brady and his cheating coach.
By scjoe on Jan 14, 2013 | Reply
Spicer, I think I have been pretty consistent over the years when speaking of QBs. I have ALWAYS stated that stats alone do not tell the whole story. Would you agree with that statement? That said, you talk of Wilson's stats as opposed to Ryan's, no doubt, Wilson had better stats, BUT, it was "THE PLAY" of Ryan in the last 30 seconds that won the game. Agree?? Wilson surely played well enough to win that game. The D lost it, not him. Same can be said in ALL of the playoff games to date. The "play" of the QBs, not necessarily their stats, but the "play" of the QBs dictate the outcome of the game. I rest my case.
By scjoe on Jan 14, 2013 | Reply
Spicer, same note, you mentioned that Kaepernick had 239 yds passing, and "the 49rs" ran for 323 yards, but what you failed to mention is the fact that Kaepernick (The QB) had 181 of those 323, again, "QB Play"
By scjoe on Jan 14, 2013 | Reply
Gary, I have to be honest with you, I have no idea what point you are trying to make in comparing Gary Wood, to Joe Willie, Unitis, Starr, Lamonica etc. Are you saying guys like Lamonica, Charley Johnson, and Roman Gabriel are to be considered elite? Because I sure would challenge that. Do I understand that correctly or am I missing something. I will say this, I would equate Gary Wood to a Mark Sanchez, but I would never equate Lamonica or Charley Johnson or Roman Gabriel to a Tom Brady or a Peyton Manning.
By IRA on Jan 15, 2013 | Reply
Funny thing i happened to hear Boomer this morning and he said the exact things i have been saying about hiring Cohen. Its really the right hire considering the way Woody has handled this. can't hire an outside man if he is not a top experienced GM. Angelo has the experience but he is a 2nd tier guy to me not a top tier. Biggest problem is that Woody, Glat and Hughes do not have the football experience to hire a GM and thats something to worry about. How about bringing in Marty Lyons to sit in on the interviews and getting a football mans opinion.
By Jet Fan Since '64 Tom Watching the Defectives on Jan 15, 2013 | Reply
And Spicer, don't take my word for it: Read any of the post-game coverage of the NE/HOU game. All the stories were about how HOU isn't as good as they looked based on their record, especially on O. How Schaub isn't as good as his stats look, especially in the clutch. How Schaub looked like an amateur next to the superbly poised Brady. You see, Spice, this is how people respond to a game WHEN THEY ACTUALLY WATCH IT! But I guess you might be ignoring most of the coverage of games too, if you can come out with this kind of drivel about Brady and Schaub. For the weekend, you"re only second to JoeyDelirious, who somehow watched Flacco pick apart the Broncos, saw 4 games in which nobody scored less than 4 TDs, and decided it was all about D.
By JetBlu on Jan 15, 2013 | Reply
It's pointless to post stats on cap-room, free agents & draft picks when we'll still have the same problem we have now – no GM, horrible HC, and no NFL-ready QB. What team is in worst shape than this one? If I were looking for a job, this is the last place I'd want to work. A totally disfunctional organization is not the place to begin or extend your career. I agree with T64. Let this wreck fall to the ground and then let's get serious about building it back up with modern day strategies. Its obvious that the owner still doesn't see how bad his team really is with Rex at the helm. So an 0-16 season next year should give him the push he seems to need to start over. Hire the right GM, & he'll hire the right HC & he'll play the right QB.
By Tom Spicer on Jan 15, 2013 | Reply
SCJoe, The same as the Redskins this year who were the #1 rushing team in the NFL & the Broncos who were the #1 rushing team in the NFL last year. Both of these teams along with the 49ers who only started this once Kaepernick took over the run the read option it is part of there running game. H eis not scrambling for those yards. It is 100% a factor of there running game. He fakes the hand off to Frank Gore everyone is so worried about Gore that they run to him cause he is a stud. Kaepernick is all alone & he sprints down the field. It has NOTHING to do with passing or scrambling!
By Tom Spicer on Jan 15, 2013 | Reply
I am reading about Jerry Angelo from the Bears having a strong chance of becoming the GM. From what I have read he has a poor draft record. I dont want him!
By Tom Spicer on Jan 15, 2013 | Reply
SCJoe, Yes stats do not tell the whole story. Yes you need a quality QB to win the Super Bowl but you 100% can win the Super Bowl without a Brady, Manning, Brees, Rodgers or Big Ben.
By SCfromNY on Jan 15, 2013 | Reply
Spicer: I think you have loved Sanchez too much and it has clouded your judgement. Your cap post lacks quite a bit. You start out by mentioning what you believe the cap will be. I'm OK with that. However then you start deducting saleries from that cap for players not taking a raise or a small one. . . Keller, Moore, DeVito, and landry. Those players salery is already on the books and will not effect the cap at all. The cap will be affected by massive raises to Sanchez, Holmes, possibly Revis, rookies, and FAs that we ADD not players currently on team their saleries will stay within this years cap.
By Tom Spicer on Jan 15, 2013 | Reply
SCJoe, Lastly I look at the Seahawk vs Falcon game differntly than you do. You said the play of Ryan in the last 30 seconds that won the game. I disagree I think Wilson outplayed Ryan. I think the Falcons won the game because there D stuffed Marshawn Lynch who is a stud & the Falcons ran all over the Seahawks a team that has a great D. To me that was the difference in the game. Again Wilson out played Ryan the Faclons won cause of there ability to stop the run & to run the ball.
By Tom Spicer on Jan 15, 2013 | Reply
Tom 64, Yes I do not watch the games that is your only response when you get smacked in the face with facts. All you bring to the table is Rex, Sanchez & Woody are no good. Come up with something ANYTHING other than that 1 time. Talk about the salary cap, talk about who we should draft, talk about the GM or OC search. Bring SOMETHING to the table.
By Tom Spicer on Jan 15, 2013 | Reply
Tom 64, Lets say Schaub had "GARBAGE TIME STATS" as you say. Lets talk about the Falcon game Wilson outplayed Ryan & lost. The game went down to the last second so there were no "garbage time stats". Yet the Falcons rushed for 120 more yards than the Seahawks? Please explain that to me? How did the Falcons win? I have to ask you DID YOU WATCH THE GAME?
By Tom Spicer on Jan 15, 2013 | Reply
Tom 64, Lets talk about the Bronco game the game went into double overtime so again no "garbage time stats". Peyton & Flacco basically played a even game. So how did the Ravens win? Please tell me how they won? What was the diffence in the game? I can tell you the differnce is the Broncos rushed for 80 yards & Ray Rice ran for 131 yards on the Broncos in Denver. So again I have to ask you DID YOU WATCH THE GAME?
By Allan O'Dane on Jan 15, 2013 | Reply
64tom, I got another one for you…If u thought my post about something going on over at NYJ headquarters was physic…NYJ will promote Cohen as GM….in other words another puppet for rex to pull strings…REX is the one with power over there. And that's why no GM wants to come to NYJ. What GM in his right mind would take the job anyway. You are forced to take on a coach you didn't hire….a QB mess that will only get worse. A cap situation that even releasing players will only give you little room to sign FA. And what FA wants to come over here anyway? This place is a mess. And no one wants any part of it. It's that plain and simple!
By Tom Spicer on Jan 15, 2013 | Reply
Tom 64, My final post of the beat down I am handing you taking Gary C's place is the 49er game. Rodgers & Kaepernick both threw for around 260 yards. The differnce is the game was the Packers could not stop the read option or the running game. What ever you want to call it. But the bottom line is this in 3 out of the 4 games. The team that ran the ball well & stopped the other teams running game won. In 3 out of 4 games either the losing QB played better than the winning QB or the QBS played the same. No I think these posts will tell you I WATCHED THE GAMES. So again I have to ask you DID YOU WATCH THE GAME?
By GaryC on Jan 15, 2013 | Reply
scjoe,yes I was comparing wood to sanchez,not to Unitas,Namath,Starr,my analogy is there are quality quarterbacks any era and lousy quarterbacks any era and quarterbacks today don't need to be any more proficient then what they were needed to be in the neanderthal era of the 60's and 70's.Starr needed to be very proficient in the ice bowl,something Peyton didn't do this past weekend,Eli wasn't proficient all year,that is why Giants didn't make the playoffs.
By GaryC on Jan 15, 2013 | Reply
Scjoe,here is one for you,quarterbacks look better today because as Deion Sanders said,they are not allowed to get hit,they should be putting up numbers,the quarterbacks in the 60's and 70's were dealing with defenses that had names like Steel Curtain,Doomsday,Killer Bees and Purple people eaters.you earned it more back in the stone age as you like to say.
By GaryC on Jan 15, 2013 | Reply
Scjoe,you need to say who the quality quarterback will be before the game,instead of after it happens,we know whoever wins he will earn the quality status,Obama won the election,is he the quality politician.
By STRONKO SQUIRREL on Jan 15, 2013 | Reply
well said JetBlu.
By since shea on Jan 15, 2013 | Reply
True, we dont have nearly enough cap room to fill all of our needs and resign everyone we want. Thats why I say we trade down from #9 and start rebuilding OL first. Hate to give up Revis but if it brings good draft choices, then fine. I for one will NEVER wish for 0-16. What does that get you? A #1 to trade down for? There is no suck for luck that I am aware of for the first overall pick in 2014. Do you really need the excuse of 0-16 to fire Rex? Come on guys. Were we not enough of a laughing stock last year? We need to get smart and not emotional. Start the rebuild now with OL, TE, OLB and finish it by next year.
By since shea on Jan 15, 2013 | Reply
I have harped on the fact that Woody needs to get a real football man to make all decisions, like Denver has in Elway. I floated Gruden, Pennington, maybe Cowher. But I will agree with an earlier post that maybe Marty Lyons should be brought in to consult. This president that Woody hired last year, Neil Glatt, has zero football background. Lyons does seem to have the grey matter to run the football operations in a logical intelligent way. And, he is "home grown" like Elway was to Den. Here's another one, take the cap guy from Pitt as asst GM(dont kid yourself, he is a quality guy) and make Lyons the GM and head of football op's. Does this make sense to any of you? If so, can we get a ground swell of "public" opinion to go this direction?
By scjoe on Jan 15, 2013 | Reply
Tom Spicer, the Falcons won that game because their QB drove them down the field in to field goal range with about 30 seconds left! Anything that happened before that was irrelevant! If Ryan throws an INT at that point, who wins the game? Who loses the game? QB Play!!
By scjoe on Jan 15, 2013 | Reply
Gary, I think I will follow your lead of a few stories ago when you said you didn't want to discuss the "elite" "quality" "competent" QB issue with me anymore. To make a statement like "you have to pick out the quality QB BEFORE the game" put the final nail in the coffin. As I mentioned to Spicer, I have been very consistent over the years talking about "the play of the QB" good or bad, elite or Sanchez like. It is not about "picking" a QB, it is about how those QBs play, no matter which, and whether or not they give their team a chance to win. For me it is that simple, you are making it more complex.
By scjoe on Jan 15, 2013 | Reply
Gary, just a point on what "Deion Sanders" says. Wrong!! They ARE allowed to get hit, it happens to every QB every game. They just are not allowed to get hit illegally, like any other player. As for your comparisons to players of "the olden days" to players of this era? There is no comparison! No matter what cute little names the defenses had.
By since shea on Jan 15, 2013 | Reply
SCNY, I have to defend spicer on this one. The likes of Keller, Moore, Devito, Landry and others are not on the 2013 salary list because their contracts are done. They are FA's and not part of the $147mil. Whatever you resign them for is all add on. The raise to MS is already in the 2013 numbers vs. cap. We will have some but not nearly enough to do a total makeover. Thats why I say start with O line. Then bring in Pitt's cap guy and partner him with Marty Lyons as. Ira, I think it was you mentioned Lyons earlier. The more I think of this, the more I like it. Maybe even give #12 a shot at getting his 2 cents in too. Somebody has to wake Woody up!
By scjoe on Jan 15, 2013 | Reply
Just to make one thing perfectly clear Gary. I am a fan of some of the players of the 60s and 70s myself, but that doesn't mean I believe they are as big, strong, fast, athletic, technically sound, physically prepared or mentally prepared as they are today. Back then it was more like "a job" do you remember a reserve DB on the team named Mike D'amato? Well, he worked for my brother who owned a auto body repair shop in Franklyn Square in the off seasons. That should tell you all you need to know about players of that era as opposed to the regimented players of this era.
By Jet Fan Since '64 Tom Watching the Defectives on Jan 15, 2013 | Reply
Spicer didn't see the 2 passes Ryan threw to win the game, scjoe, he only read about it. Thanks for backing me up on why 0-16 might not be a bad thing at all, JetBlu. Spicer, that's a major concession by you on needing a good QB but you don't get off that easy. CK's 20-yd TD run was just a scramble off a play that didn't develop, as were others of his runs. The 56- yd TD was really the most true read-op play and besides, I'm not envious of anyone's read-op QBs unless they want to see them end up where RG3 is now. And you still get a F for even dreaming that Schaub even deserved to be on the field with Brady on Sunday. And who ever said you don't need running and passing? Our problem is that Rex only talks about running when we have neither.
By Jet Fan Since '64 Tom Watching the Defectives on Jan 15, 2013 | Reply
Spicer, let's establish this right now: You're clueless when it comes to watching QBs play, if you ARE watching. IN WHAT UNIVERSE did Flacco and Peyton play "basically even"? Everybody but you is talking, on the street and in the press, about how Peyton looked old, cold, and over-the-hill while Flacco looked elite and commanding. Peyton threw far downfield exactly twice and the losing pick was reminiscent of Favre's dying quail to lose to NO. Ryan and Wilson are both good QBs now and both have a chance to become elite. But on Sunday, Wilson couldn't handle the drive at the half — as everyone has commented — while Ryan won the game with 12 seconds to work with. Go ask Ray Rice or any other RB how in the world he'd ever be able to do that.
By Jet Fan Since '64 Tom Watching the Defectives on Jan 15, 2013 | Reply
Aside from looking up "quarterback" on Wikipedia, Spicer, you also need to either take remedial reading or visit the eye doctor. As you can see above, Ira and I enjoyed a rather thoughtful exchange on the many problems the Jets face aside from just Rex and Sanchez. But I guess I need to remind you that those two guys are THE HEAD COACH AND THE STARTING QB RESPECTIVELY, so as a Jet fan I'm naturally going to be, er, a bit concerned with how subpar they are and with how die-hard, dyed-in-the-wool losers like you continue to make excuses for them. But I'll keep pointing out how little of the games you claim to watch you're actually seeing, because delusionary thinking like yours is the biggest reason this team is the biggest joke in the NFL.
By Jet Fan Since '64 Tom Watching the Defectives on Jan 15, 2013 | Reply
Just for the record, GaryC, "quality politician" is an oxymoron and I'll go so far as to say that anyone who puts much faith in politicians is a full-on moron. Allan, I don't doubt that you're right — or psychic — on Cohen, and I'd welcome the move for somewhat opposite reasons than Ira. While I don't say Cohen has no ability, hiring him would reveal to absolutely everyone — except Spicer, who thinks the vital question is which TE we draft in the 6th round — that Woody is a weak, woeful owner. As Walker wrote on ESPN this morning, we all know we're not getting a great QB by September and Sanchez fighting for his job vs. McElroy and a rookie QB is the likely scenario. What's most likely then, as others have said, is (see next post)…
By Jet Fan Since '64 Tom Watching the Defectives on Jan 15, 2013 | Reply
…what's most likely then, Allan, is that Rex and his staff of puppet, failed coaches tell us "Mark's the starter, he's really improved," then we go 1-15 or so, then Woody gets it and, not owing either Rex or Sanchez that much money, finally rebuilds the team for real. People like Spicer, who worry about a leak in the roof when a tsunami is approaching, are entertaining, but they'll really lead you astray in almost any endeavor in life. On "Forever Young" Dylan sang, "May you have a strong foundation when the winds of changes shift." This franchise neither has a strong foundation nor sees that the winds of changes have been shifting in the NFL for more than a decade. But Spicer thinks the idea is to luck out an SB win with a mediocre QB…
By Jet Fan Since '64 Tom Watching the Defectives on Jan 15, 2013 | Reply
Karan, you'd do a lot better to stop breathlessly defending "Mark," stop calling possibly the best QB ever to play the game a mere "pretty boy" (he looks pretty tough on the field every week, whereas it's "Mark" who most often looks like the wimp), and accept that you need a QB like Brady if you're gonna be in it every yr. It's posts like yours today that make me picture a 14-yr-old girl named Karen who spells her name in a cute, quirky way and spends hours gazing lovingly at her autographed football from "Mark," right next to the framed and autographed 8 x 12 of Katy Perry. More seriously, though, Brady also takes a hit from D guys as well as any QB I've ever seen — YOU should look so good getting bumped by some old lady on the subway!
By Jet Fan Since '64 Tom Watching the Defectives on Jan 15, 2013 | Reply
Hey Spice, one more for the Spice Rack of QB Cluelessness before I gotta go out and earn a living, which by the way you can do if you "always see the lights surrounding you", as Dylan also sang on that song, rather than living light-headed: Peyton needed 2 ST TDs to even stay in the game while Flacco won it with a 70-yd TD that Fox couldn't even imagine happening. Yeah, those 2 guys played about even! I know I'm being a bit tough on Spice and Karan today, folks, so let me say that I'm a bit like Jethro Tull's Ian Anderson, another guy who doesn't fall for any bull. Off-stage I'm exceedingly polite but on-stage I'm up there to entertain. And the Jets ain't too entertaining these days, what with so many fans saying they're painful to watch!
By Karan on Jan 15, 2013 | Reply
Keep Bray, trade Tone, avoid Angelo and Cohen and Kahn and any other "cap" guy.
By Karan on Jan 15, 2013 | Reply
Everyone is avoiding the Jets. Woody pretty much presented Caldwell with everything, still a no! They are calling candidates again to reconsider. Also avoid Cameron as OC.
By Stevesc on Jan 15, 2013 | Reply
C'mon guys, this quaterback debate is beyond beating a dead horse, you're beating the skeleton… I always enjoy reading this blog because of the knowledgeable fans and the humor injected, but it's gotten a little boring. Move on to something else already. No disrespect to you guys, just my opinion.
By Byrdman on Jan 15, 2013 | Reply
Jets attempting to establish a new "ID" with former Seattle VP interview?
Yeah that's how boring it's getting in Jet-nation – I'm sitting here trying to predict
the cheesy News or Post headlines if Woody hires John Idzik Wednesday.
At this point I don't care if they hire Nicki Minaj with her blond fright wigs and
super-sized back porch :D just hire somebody OUTSIDE the organization!
Jets desperately need a fresh (unbiased) set of eyes looking at the roster, our coaches and the future direction of this franchise.
By Ronbo19 on Jan 15, 2013 | Reply
GARY C,SPICER,S.C.Joe & 64, R.Cimini on ESPN did a "5 things the Jets Learned from the Div.Round ;
1-You need an offence, apparently the 4 games played this past weekend produced 276 points. The Jets scored a total of 281 points in 16 games(ouch!)
2-Q.B play is vital(one for S.C.J & 64-)noen of the 8 Q.B's had lower than an 88.3 Q.B rateing(Sanchez can only dream)He points all the Q.B's were catalysts,not game managers(ouch mark!)
3-Speed on defence is key- points out the influx of running Q.B's will force def. to adjust. no brainer there!
4-R.B's still matter (one for Spicer &Gary C) All 4 winning teams had a back go for at least 82 yds.3 of the 4 had 98 yds to 131. indicates the need for balance.
5-A Pass-catching T.E is a hugh plus
By Byrdman on Jan 15, 2013 | Reply
With no real news to discuss here on Radar the board has been high-jacked by the endless "Elite" SB caliber QB debate. I was always a big "STRATEGO" player coming up, and I see many similarities to NFL football. In the board game each one of the pieces has a value from 1 to 10 determined by it's rank, in the NFL each player has a value determined by his size,speed talent ratio.
If you add up the numerical value of the pieces each player starts with in Stratego it's equal. This is not always true in the NFL, if you could add together all the players individual values on the 2 competing teams, many times you'll find that one team is superior on offense, defense or both. For example: take the 11 players on O and say each one is rated a 10 >>>
By Tom Spicer on Jan 15, 2013 | Reply
SCfromNY, Keller, Moore, DeVito, Landry & a few others that I named are free agents. How can a free agents salary count against the salary cap? Think about that for a minute the person is not under contract / they do not have a contract with us. You said "Those players salery is already on the books and will not effect the cap at all." That makes no sense NONE! You can try to insult me about Sanchez ALL YOU WANT but try to knwo what you are talking about before you make yourself look silly.
By Tom Spicer on Jan 15, 2013 | Reply
SCfromNY, Just to finish you off so the next time you want to play with the big boys you know you have to do your homework first. Go to nyjetscap.com click on current cap page Jets. Scroll to the bottom click on future cap hits. click on 2013 it will show you who is under contract for next year. Devito, Landry, Bell, Greene, Slausion, Moore, Keller & Braylon are all not liisted. GUESS WHY? Cause they are NOT under contract & they dont count against the cap for next year. Just a little heads up this is the big boy site SCfromNY so before you try to make fun of pepople make sure you know what you are talking about before you further embarrass yourself
By Byrdman on Jan 15, 2013 | Reply
>>> continued > that would give your Offense a maximum value of 110.
Now, it's unrealistic that any given team could have five perfect tens at each O-line spot, or all of their skill positions, wide-out, RB and TE's would all be 10's.
But, you get the picture right? The sum total of the team is what matters !
If your team has Brady (10) at QB but 4's 5's and 6's on the O-line – then you play a team with an (8) at QB but 7's 8's and 9's on offense, you're not going to win many of those games. That's what happened when SF beat the Packers last weekend, the 49ers are loaded (9's) ) on both sides of the ball, Rodgers is certainly an elite SB caliber (10) QB surrounded by (6's) and therefore unable to beat the (9) ers …see what I did there?
By GaryC on Jan 15, 2013 | Reply
Scjoe,yes I remember number 47 in your program,Mike D'Amato,I believe you see him in clips running off in the Super Bowl with Larry Grantham,that being said football is like the dog show,you don't compare the dog against the other breeds,you compare him to the standard of his own breed,of course you can't compare athletes from different eras,only against their own competition from their era.Now are you getting my drift.
By GaryC on Jan 15, 2013 | Reply
byrdman,great theory,you need to find where Joe Capps is and explain it to him and maybe Scjoe too.
By GaryC on Jan 15, 2013 | Reply
Ronbo19 ,like your five things the jets learned,especially the pass catching tight end which is a HUGE PLUS.
By Ronbo19 on Jan 15, 2013 | Reply
BYRDMAN, Thanx for keep'n it real bro! Too much back & forth about stuff that really doesn't matter to us. Bye the way, I sucked at stratego!
SINCE SHEA, As Marty Lyons has absoloutely zero experience manageing a pro football operation, other than the fact he played for the Jets, what makes you think he is the guy for the job? Ira's point was it might be a good idea to have a guy like Marty sit in on the interviews and get some feedback afterwards. I dont believe Ira wanted him as our net G.M? Also, as we are paying Mangold & Brick stupid money this year, & I know your aware of our cap situation,do you really think we can afford O.L in rd.1?We need playmakers dude!
By GaryC on Jan 15, 2013 | Reply
Stevesc,I am all for taking a vow of silence on the quarterback issue,rugs haven't taken as much of a beating as this issue,people will always have agendas and you cannot sway no matter.
By GaryC on Jan 15, 2013 | Reply
Here is something different,today is the deadline for juniors to declare,the combine is coming,we will see the true evaluation of these guys and see where they might fall,and what deals can be made to improve your position.
By Jet Fan Since '64 Tom Watching the Defectives on Jan 15, 2013 | Reply
GaryC, I understand the frustration you and some others feel about the elite QB issue. But I don't think Joe Capps is hiding, I think he's right, and it won't surprise me if folks on this site keep posting about elite QBs until…we have one. I was daydreaming today of what it would be like to have a Brady-type guy throwing routinely for 350 yds and 5 or 6 TDs even in a snowstorm to a fast, clutch team of WRs, TEs, and RBs. But I had to stop, every time I pictured such a QB in green and white, the image faded by way of its sheer impossibility, at least as long as Rex is our HC. And REALLY, do you want any more of these kinds of drafts that we've had under Rex? And any more of the pitiful results of evaluating and using who we've drafted?
By JetBlu on Jan 16, 2013 | Reply
Love the entertaining posts going on.
Spicer: If you think that quoting stats and what sports writers said makes you a "Big Boy", go ahead an live in your fantasy. You're not giving anyone a beat-down. You're just ranting as you always do. You claim that you want to know what other people think but all you really want to do is go on and on about Caps and draft picks and Free Agents. Don't you get Buddy? We're no where near a few players or draft picks away from long-term success. True Jet fans don't want a rent-a-team. They want to build an organization like the hated Patriots have so that we can have hope every year…instead of despair. Get with the program Bud!
By GaryC on Jan 16, 2013 | Reply
Scjoe,what does Mike D'Amato working in a repair shop have to do with the regimentation of today's player,You mean the ones who are at the bars all hours of the night like Pacman Jones,I believe the players back then had to be more regimentated seeing they were making far less money and if they were cut that could be it.
By Tom Spicer on Jan 16, 2013 | Reply
Tom 64, This is your quote "Brady also takes a hit from D guys as well as any QB I've ever seen" For you to even say this is proof positive that YOU do not watch the games. It is common knowledge that when Brady gets hit he crys to the refs like a GIRL. This is 100% FACT!
By Tom Spicer on Jan 16, 2013 | Reply
Tom 64, "Peyton looked old, cold, and over-the-hill" Really? I see Peyton as the only reason the Broncos did not get blown out. Lets go over a few things. The Broncos rushed for 80 yards (no help from the running game). Ray Rice ran for 131 yards on the Bronco D (the Bronco D got ran over) Joe "the game manager" Flacco threw for 331 yards & 3 TDS on the Broncos (meaning the Bronco D got thrown & ran all over) Meanwhile Peyton had 290 yards & 3 TDS. For someone who looked "old, cold, and over-the-hill" that is pretty freaking good! If 290 yards & 3 TDS is "old, cold, and over-the-hill". I wish we had someone who was "old, cold, and over-the-hill". Um looks like it is back to the drawing board for you!
By Tom Spicer on Jan 16, 2013 | Reply
I was watching ESPN last night & John Clayton said the 49ers & the Seahawks are going to try to trade Alex Smith & Matt Flynn. He than went on to say that if teams wai tthey will be better off. Smith will be a free agent so why trade for him & Matt Flynn is the Seahawks can not trade him (they may not be able to he makes alot of money) they may just cut him. Now I dont know Matt Flynns cap number & if that is even a possibility. I am just posting what John Clayton said but that is very interesting that we could get either of these guys & give up nothing.
By Mike Jet Vet on Jan 16, 2013 | Reply
byrdman, all good analogy, 10's 9's 8's But, game I watched 49's didn't blow Green bay out, game go's either way with one break here or there correct , in your analogy does home field count or maybe crowd noise 12th man rate a 10 9 8 7 ? Where would a player like Wes Welker rate on this scale of your's
By Byrdman on Jan 16, 2013 | Reply
MJV – Absolutely home field factors into the equation – Unless you're the NY Jets and you are the junior varsity team in Giant's Stadium! My stratego analogy is directed at the elite QB debate going on here since the Leather Helmet era :D
Some feel that with a QB of Rodgers or Brady's caliber you could line up an assortment of overweight truck drivers on offense and win the SB. I'm more in the ; Sum Total of your 53 man roster camp – if it's significantly greater than the opponent you WIN. Great coaches can offset your talent advantage to some degree – If you've got ONE weak link on your O or D, Bellichic will exploit it.
Welker is a 10 based upon the numbers he's put up in his career, much of it against the Jets!
By Tom Spicer on Jan 16, 2013 | Reply
Jetblue, If you read the posts you would see SCfrom NY said "Spicer: I think you have loved Sanchez too much and it has clouded your judgement" than told me I was wrong about the cap & other things that were completely FALSE! Than & only than did I respond to him in like fashion. Did you ever hear the old saying dont give it if you cant take it?
By Tom Spicer on Jan 16, 2013 | Reply
P.S on the above post because I wanted Sanchez to to well cause he was the Jet QB & cause I thought over time he would get better. I Tom Spicer have to take it more than anyone else on this site!
By scjoe on Jan 16, 2013 | Reply
Well said 64! It really don't matter to me how much a guy wants to discuss or "debate" the "elite" "quality" "competent" QB issue, as long as they are realistic. It really don't matter much in the grand scheme of things how Lamonica, Tarkenton, Starr, or any of the old timers fit in to their respective offenses back then. How does that help the NY Jets find their "elite" QB in the year 2013? And God knows they need one whether WE here on the Radar discuss it or not. Besides, it is their # 1 problem by far, so why not talk about it?
By scjoe on Jan 16, 2013 | Reply
GaryC, the Pac Man Jones and the Stallworth's of the world are the exception to the rule. I think 1 in 75 would best describe them. But, that said, even they are more regimented then any of the players from the 50s, 60s, and 70s, (at least when they are not behind bars :-) And by regimented I mean everything that is expected of them in the off season. Much of that contracted, so there is no time to be out working in body shops. THAT, is what it has to do with it.
By GaryC on Jan 16, 2013 | Reply
scjoe,Mean Joe Green,Willie Lanier and Jack Lambert are coming to regiment you.
By GaryC on Jan 16, 2013 | Reply
tom spicer,I was another who stuck by Sanchez as was yourself and Karan and others,who don't believe in knee jerk reactions,for some reason after Sanchez's first two years and four playoff victories,were we hearing,let's get rid of the worse quarterback in football.I told JetfanTom,I would give Sanchez this year and it has been lousy,and said let's give McElroy the shot.Tom Spicer was right,you need to give a guy time,but maybe Sanchez's time has come,but Brady's aren't dangling from trees.
By scjoe on Jan 16, 2013 | Reply
byrdman, here is my take on that, for what it's worth. I don't think anyone on this site, or anywhere else believes that you can get close to a SB with a Brady, Manning or Rodgers and a bunch of has been's or over weight truck drivers rounding out the roster. But I will say this, if you were to replace a Sanchez with a Brady, Manning or Rodgers while maintaining the rest of the roster in it's entirety, your chances of getting there just increased dramatically! No guarantees of course, but the chances do increase with just one roster move. Would you agree with that logic?
By Jet Fan Since '64 Tom Watching the Defectives on Jan 16, 2013 | Reply
Spicer, you have a very naive take on the QB position and I say that as a guy whose dream was to play it. Working the refs and PHYSICALLY taking a hit in the pocket are 2 ENTIRELY different things. Of course Brady works the refs and gets away with it because the NFL doesn't want to see him on IR. But to give you just one example, you dig up that clip of Brady taking a full-on shot to the chest from Dumervil last yr, a hit I've referred to several times. That hit woulda killed even the best QBs, much less little boys like "Mark." Brady just did what he always does: Sat up on the grass to watch the rest of the play, got up, and went on to win the game without breaking a sweat. I watch where I can follow EVERY game at once, where do YOU watch?
By Jet Fan Since '64 Tom Watching the Defectives on Jan 16, 2013 | Reply
Spicer, you adored Sanchez so long you don't even know how to watch QB play. Sure, PM had a better game than Sanchez ever has — his WORST game tops Sanchez's best! But again, you not only don't seem to watch the games, you don't read the sports page. PM tried to throw over 20 yds exactly TWICE in a playoff game — is that the PM YOU remember? And why didn't he shake off the order to kneel and just throw as, ahem, Joe Namath did on FGs more than a few times. The next day, two of the big stories were PM choking in the cold and Schaub playing like an amateur and calling into question whether HOU should even stick with him. But there you are, telling us Brady's barely better than these guys. I'll put it this way: LEARN HOW to watch the games!
By Jet Fan Since '64 Tom Watching the Defectives on Jan 16, 2013 | Reply
And by the way, Spicer, where do you get the idea that Flacco is some Rex-style game manager? Because Rex woulda used him that way and ruined him? The guy threw a 70-yd TD on a play when Rex woulda told him to kneel! Like with your obsession with meaningless stats — if you watch the games, you certainly don't watch how the stats are piling up DURING the games — you get caught up in all kinds of numbers, labels, and other stuff without really seeing what's going on on the field. That's why you NEVER — and I mean NEVER! — comment on turning pts, changes of momentum, big plays that went unnoticed, i.e all the stuff you have to understand the game to notice. Probably also why you were okay with the Wildcat, the all-time momentum-killer…
By GaryC on Jan 17, 2013 | Reply
Jetfantom,let's get real,that pass by Flacco was a hail mary which was severely misjudged,do not make it out more then what it was,ninety five percent of safeties would have intercepted it.
By Jet Fan Since '64 Tom Who's Ready for Even Taylor Swift at GM on Jan 17, 2013 | Reply
Willie Lanier, GaryC — now THERE's a guy who'd not only be just as great today as he was then but who was about 30 yrs ahead of his time in skill and savvy at MLB. But don't tell me you didn't have big questions about Sanchez after he played about 1 qtr of good ball in the PIT playoff, and by 4 or 5 games into 2011 it was clear he might not be the guy. By the time he was throwing 2 picks to the same DL guy in 1 qtr at the end of 2011, I pretty much knew he wasn't gonna make it so this yr was a complete waste of time starting him and I won't let Rex off the hook for that. MS shoulda had to beat out McElroy and somebody like Orton or Campbell THIS yr and then we'd know by now what to do NEXT yr. Now we're just set up for more of Rex's jive.
By Tom Spicer on Jan 17, 2013 | Reply
Tom 64, I was never okay with the wildcat that is false. I was totally against Tebow coming to the Jets.
By Jet Fan Since '64 Tom Who's Ready for Even Taylor Swift at GM on Jan 17, 2013 | Reply
I admit DEN misplayed Flacco's pass, GaryC, they didn't even seem to believe he threw it. But you won't see many Hail Marys that lead the receiver, as Flacco's throw did, so on that level it was one hell of a play. Of course, most of us on this site haven't seen the QB we're most familiar with lead the receiver much in the last 4 yrs, so I expect some head-scratching on that score. Spice, I know you weren't as big a fan of the WC as, say, MJV, but I meant the WC with Smith, not Tebow who was a joke from Day One. I'll declare a truce with you this way: I think your ideas on the draft, the cap, how to deal with all that will probably prove better than those of any GM we hire. And that's what worries me, the GM we're gonna hire instead of you.
By Tom Spicer on Jan 17, 2013 | Reply
Also the excuses are lining up already. No matter who wins this week they are going to become a ELITE QB. Kaepernick, Ryan or Flacco. Now ALL OF A SUDDEN are going to be ELITE. Lets sqwash this now. There are 6 ELITE QBS Brady, Brees, Big Ben, Rodgers & the Mannings. Guys who have been great for years & have won at least 1 Super Bowl. So Kaepernick who has all of 9 NFL starts under his belt even if he goes on to win the Super Bowl is NOT a ELITE QB. He runs the read option & teams could go to school on it this off season & totally shut him down next year. Matt Ryan 4 days ago won his 1st playoff game that is not a ELITE QB that is a good 1 but not ELITE. Flacco same thing good QB not ELITE. One excuse I heard from Tom 64 already was
By Tom Spicer on Jan 17, 2013 | Reply
"well he played like a ELITE QB this week". UM no either you are or you are not! Also TOM 64 to answer your question "where do you get the idea that Flacco is some Rex-style game manager?" Flacco ha snever had more than 25 TD passes in a season & has never had under double digit picks. He is on a running & defensive based team. He is a GAME MANAGER PERIOD! Also his pass that you mention was badly under thrown & 9 out 0f time times that pass gets picked off. The saftey played it EXTREMLY POORLY lets not make it out to be the immaculate reception!
By GaryC on Jan 17, 2013 | Reply
JetFanTom,you said the magic word with Sanchez,MIGHT,as in becoming a good quarterback,after the playoff game with the Steelers,but that was one game,these last two years has now produced a body of work that is saying he might not be the guy,so I say give it to McElroy instead of bringing in guys like Alex Smith and Matt Flynn.
By GaryC on Jan 17, 2013 | Reply
why haven't the jets reached out to Mike Leach who is coaching Washington state now,this guy when he was at Texas tech ran the spread and his teams always put up points,He had Kingsbury,Graham Harrell,instead of recycling the same old coordinators,and where is Fassel also,if some of these guys are getting interviewed.
By Byrdman on Jan 17, 2013 | Reply
Scjoe – Yeah I know you don't you don't buy into the Superman QB + 10 average joe sixpacks = SB victory but the Capman sounds like he does.
I'll use John Elway as one example: John was an elite top 5 QB in the 80's – he got crushed in 3 SB's then a funny thing happened – 10 years later Denver decided it made sense to build a better D and draft a competent RB. When the Bronco's won those 2 SB's, Elway didn't even look like the same player he was back in 89 firing lasers while on a dead flat sprint. Denver no longer needed that guy – they had a stout defense and the best running game in the NFL.
You understand that, every comment you post sounds rational and makes sense. I skip the CAPS posts – if you've read ONE you've read them ALL!!
By GaryC on Jan 17, 2013 | Reply
If you go by Vince Lombardi's quote,that winning is the only thing shouldn't we revise these top quarterbacks,like maybe guys who won numerous times,Montana,Bradshaw,Starr,Graham,Brady.Sorry Peyton,you don't rate with these WINNERS.
By Jeronimo Briggz on Jan 17, 2013 | Reply
SMH phony analyst, fantasy gmer, and armchair qb so calked experts comments aside this is the truth. Tony Sparano did not fit the personnel the Jets fielded. Sparano's offensive philosophy demands a totally different roster. Greene is no Jamal of B'moe, MS is no BF and deserves a west coast off. and etc. The MS contract was dumb and the DR SH injuries showed the GM had to go, for lack roster depth. RR and MS made it to 2 championship games with decent roster depth so that duo is good to go. Revis alone wouldve gave the JETS a few more wins. RR retained Revis. I think the answer for the Jets is Chad Pennington's mind back in the fold. The draft should focus on depth and FA can add game breaking talent. Fix the OL first.
By scjoe on Jan 17, 2013 | Reply
GaryC, with Joe Thomas, Jake Long, Nick Mangold, Carl Evans, and Jahri Evans blocking for me, I don't believe Mean Joe Greene, Willie Lanier, and THREE Jack Lambert's will get with in 100 yards of me! Get out of the past my friend!
By GaryC on Jan 17, 2013 | Reply
why are people making a big deal about Ryan in the last drive,he went three and out in the previous two drives,if were considering him up there as something special,as some might be now,look at the way he pulled the string on that out pattern that hit the ground when his receiver was open.
By Jet Fan Since '64 Tom Who's Ready for Even Taylor Swift at GM on Jan 17, 2013 | Reply
Spicer, I don't say Flacco's pass was perfect or that he's Brady yet. But if he beats NE this Sunday and wins the SB, it'll be hard to say he's not on the road to great QB status. (This endless arguing over the word "elite" doesn't interest me.) The pt is, yeah, any of those 4 QBs are a lot better than "Mark" whom REX, you might recall, called "elite" during his wonderful yr of 2011. Great post, Jeronimo, why don't YOU send in your resume for GM? We need as many realists applying for that job as we can get! GaryC, blowing the 2 drives wasn't so hot but dumping on Ryan's last 30 seconds is really stretching. scjoe, Greene, Lanier, and Lambert were models for today's players, they'd do fine today especially with big $ and yr-round training.
By GaryC on Jan 17, 2013 | Reply
scjoe,I believe you mean Carl Nicks,not evans.
By GaryC on Jan 17, 2013 | Reply
scjoe,but if I add Bednarik,Nitscke,and Butkus you won't get 10 yards.
By GaryC on Jan 17, 2013 | Reply
Scjoe,you knock the players of a bygone era,but look at Peyte Poohs record in weather below 40 degrees,and he is supposed to be so great,Bart Starr won in 15 below,Peyton might of never come out of the locker room in that weather.
By scjoe on Jan 17, 2013 | Reply
Byrdman, point well taken! I think Joe Caps tried (in his own way) to make a point that you don't win SBs without having that elite QB on your roster. I agree to a point. I think history has taught us, at least to some extent, that that statement has some merit. As you eloquently pointed out a balanced roster also goes a long way toward achieving ultimate success. Sure, there is a balance, a mid point so to speak, somewhere between yours and Joe Caps model. But I also take into consideration how the game has changed over the years, I think it is still evolving, but in today's NFL I think it is vital to have quality at the QB position, perhaps more then any other position.
By scjoe on Jan 17, 2013 | Reply
GaryC, Graham?? also, you left Eli off that list, after all, he has 2 SB MVPs on his mantel
By scjoe on Jan 18, 2013 | Reply
GaryC, yes, I meant Carl Nicks. In the grand scheme of things I think it is much easier for me to rag on players of yesteryear then for you to rag on a guy like Peyton Manning, especially given the fact you were a Mark Sanchez supporter right up until it all blew up this season. That is head scratching to me in that you support a guy like Sanchez and pick apart an ELITE QB like Manning. What is that all about??
By GaryC on Jan 18, 2013 | Reply
Scjoe,I know you are not a history Maven but Graham?? 10 straight championship games,remember what I said about the dog show,you are judged by what you did at that time,not by what your predesessors are doing now ,Let me know when the quarterback of this era gets to 10 straight championships.
By GaryC on Jan 18, 2013 | Reply
Scjoe,remember the guys of a bygone era did not make the millions they do today,they could not go to the bar and make it rain,they could only rain on someone else's parade,which many of the old timers did.Keep your dome stadiums or beautiful manicured fields,the qbs today has no excuses not to put up good numbers.In Indy they shut the roof if it is less then 40 degrees,maybe Peyton might catch a cold,Wah,Wah.
By GaryC on Jan 18, 2013 | Reply
yes,I know he is in Denver,maybe 40 degrees is his Waterloo.
By MPC on Jan 18, 2013 | Reply
If they hire who they say as GM. It just proves that REX is running the whole show except for dealing with the cap. So for all you people that wanted continuity with the coach, you got! This is going to set this team back years!!!
Like I have said before its Dolan & Thomas all over again!!
Thanks Woody!
By GaryC on Jan 18, 2013 | Reply
scjoe,remember when it comes to Eli,he did it as a wild card,in the old days he wouldn't of had a chance unless you finished first in your division.As for Sanchez,you are right,I am not a knee jerk guy.I said we would see what he does this year,which was lousy,so you move on,what's wrong with that,and what do I really care what Peyton does,he can win all the regular season games he wants,As the infamous Joe Capps said in his own words,winning the Super Bowl is all there is and the quarterback is everything.
By scjoe on Jan 18, 2013 | Reply
GaryC, Otto Graham? so you are going from old history to ancient history? When I, and quite a few others here, talked about quality QBs, we were talking about the SB era, you know, starting with the first two Bart Starr victory's? How did we evolve to the 50s? What's next, leather helmets? I will not even discuss anything before SB l, quite honestly it has no relevence.
By GaryC on Jan 18, 2013 | Reply
Scjoe,schucks,I was ready to bring up Jim Thorpe and the single wing,seeing that the jet offense resembled that quite a bit with ground and pound,see,everything is relevent.If you forget history you are doomed to repeat it.
By Jet Fan Since '64 Tom Who's Ready for Even Taylor Swift at GM on Jan 18, 2013 | Reply
I think some of the 1950s QB play — the two Rams QBs, both of whom could throw, Unitas, a few others — still has some relevance, scjoe. Most of those folks threw more, longer, and better than Sanchez did in four yrs with us under Rex! (That said, I thought your response to GaryC was hilarious.)
By Tom Spicer on Jan 22, 2013 | Reply
I was reading the Bills may cut Fitzpatrick outright. This would be a good guy to bring to compete with Sanchez if he is still with us.