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(Suiton: Ekitai Tojikome) - Water Release: Liquid Imprisonment
Type: Attack/Defense
Rank: S
Range: Short-Long
Chakra: 40
Damage: 80
Description: The user claps his hands together and materializes about four thousand semi-solid water cubes around the target that remain stationary when in the mid-air. The cubes are 4 feet wide and each one is linked to other cubes by strong cords made of water. By performing the Boar handseal, the user can make the cords retract and pull all of the cubes towards each other, crushing anyone caught between them. When they are all together, they form a large structure resembling part of a castle but become unable to stay in the air. The cubes may be spread over a maximum area 50 meters in diameter to target multiple opponents. This jutsu can also be used to create a defensive wall by creating the cubes in the form of the finished structure without pulling them together.
-Usable twice per battle
-No other water jutsu on the same turn
-No A-rank or higher water jutsu next turn
±± Declined ±± Too big. 50 meters is too much. This would span about mid range around the target you intend to catch. And the cubes need to be smaller to account to that. The structure you define as a castle... Its too big and too much. And 4 thousand cubes? Again, too much. Make this reasonable. The best option of this working would be to create 8 cubes, forming a large cubic prison around your target, where water cords stretch from cube to cube.
(Suiton: Ekitai Jikkō) - Water release: Liquid Execution
Type: Attack
Rank: A
Range: Short-Long
Chakra: 30
Damage: 60
Description: The user manipulates a water source and creates two crescent-shaped blades similar to guillotines that are directed towards a target at a fast pace that slash him from two directions. The blades are very sharp and can cut through stone, but not B-rank earth jutsu. The size of the blades depends on the amount of water used to create them. When used against a fire jutsu, the blades can divide the fire and douse it at the same time.
-Usable 4 times per battle
±± Declined ±± Similar techniques exist.
Based on the second jutsu in the quote above:
(Hishō) - Soaring
Type: Supplementary
Rank: B
Range: Short
Chakra: 20 (+5 each turn active)
Damage: N/A
Description: While Secret Gliding Method is active, the user emits several additional streams of chakra from not only his legs but his torso and arms as well. This will boost his speed and give him adept control of his movements through manipulation of the streams. The streams can help the user jump higher and further while allowing him to change direction in mid-air. Only those with the tracking speed of a doujutsu user can follow the user's speed. The effects of this jutsu can be increased if used more than once.
-Usable 4 times per battle
-Lasts up to 2 turns
±± Declined ±± Don't resubmit. Similar to existing techniques, namely 2 hyuuga customs.


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3/3 gives you 3ap for every 180 armor, so 24k armor gives 400ap.
---I did a general search and still haven't found what I'm looking for, so my apologies if the answer is out there and I completely missed it.---
Immediately my first though was, that this was an ok talent, after popping out the the calculator all I can figure out is that at 24k armor you're getting 130ish AP from it.
is there something I'm missing and why are people saying ATT is better than Cruelty.
3/3 gives you 3ap for every 180 armor, so 24k armor gives 400ap.
(5/13/53) - Awesome pre-raid AOE tank spec for instances
I dunno, if you're taking DW I would think Cruelty would be the way to go. AttT gives you something like 30 TPS - cruelty will do at least that much.
My reasoning behind taking AttT over Cruelty is that AttT is worth significantly more item value. At 24,000 armor, AttT is worth about 133 AP per point, which is worth about 67 item points. 1% crit is worth 45.91 crit rating, which is worth the same amount of item points. Back at level 70 the difference was even more defined. This is my reasoning, anyway.
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Due to the fact that you get 15% extra crit on all your attacks that matter when tanking (devastate, shield slam, heroic strike, cleave, thunderclap) the extra 3% crit from cruelty is neglegible. On top of that, the extra 400 ap will increase your deep wound damage on top of all your attacks. That, and, Deep wounds is affected by mangle, increasing it's damage by 30% whereas Cruelty doesn't gain anything from raid buffs/debuffs.
Damage shields also proc Deep Wounds, so it's very likely to have DW up all the time even with low critrate.
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Point-for-point, Cruelty is the second worst in TPS-increasing talents only to Gag Order. AttT is worth considerably more than Cruelty in terms of TPS increase, even with Deep Wounds/Impale.
In fact, 5 points in Cruelty without AttT vs. 3 points in AttT without Cruelty has roughly the same net TPS change on the character in raid-buffed conditions with Deep Wounds/Impale. (Without DW/Impale, Cruelty is even worse.)
Definitely - in terms of stats per point, AttT is pretty awesome. However, AP just isn't all that great for tank.AttT is point for point much much better than Cruelty, regardless of wether you have impale/deep wounds or not.
Let's look at 400 AP.
Revenge: 16 TPS
Shockwave: 15 TPS
Conc. Blow: 10 TPS
Devastate: 15 TPS
Weapon: 28 TPS
(DW Damage: 21 more damage per crit)
Yes, my initial napkin math was way off :P
Compare that to 3% crit, which nets us the following (assuming 3k AP).
Revenge: 16 TPS
Shockwave: 4 TPS
Conc. Blow: 2.8 TPS
Devastate: 10.44 TPS
Weapon: 11 TPS (This grows as your HS uptime gets better)
Shield Slam: ~12 TPS (Assuming 1k SBV)
Damage Shield: ~2 TPS (Assuming 1k SBV, 50% avoidance, and a 2s boss swing timer)
Additional DW TPS: 7tps
So with a direct threat comparison, AttT gives 19 more TPS, in addition to making your DW hit harder.
So I guess AttT really is superior, on a single target at least. I'm almost positive it will be better against multiple targets; personally, I'll be taking the ~20 TPS loss for better multitarget tanking.
Edit: Was way off on damage shield, and forgot to add the devastate AP threat bonus
Last edited by shiz98; 02-03-2009 at 04:37 PM.
You forgot thunderclap =p. According to my napkin it would work out to be:
+48 dmg for AttT
+19.8 dmg for 3 points cruelty
This assumes 0% base crit, no incite, no improved tc.
I know you said napkin math, but it has to be pointed out that you're doing your comparisons assuming 0% crit.
When you factor in a some crit, you'll see that the AttT numbers get better. On the other hand, the cruelty numbers stay unchanged.
I have an opinion but no math, so I'll just say. It would be interesting to see which makes a bigger contribution to AoE tanking, damage shield or thunderclap?
Since, thunderclap benefits more from AttT, while damage shield only benefits from Cruelty that would determine (maybe) which talent is better for AoE tanking.
Yeah, I didn't really bother with TC - for single target tanking it's hitting once every 25 seconds or so, which means that the difference will be something like 1 or 2 TPS between AttT and cruelty. Pure laziness
And you are totally right on the crit - it vaguely crossed my mind while I was doing this that crits might give AttT an edge, but I never actually stopped to think about it long enough to realize that yeah, there would be a difference. Doh!
Anyway, I believe your average chance to crit per GCD is something like 22%. If we apply that to the overall TPS gain from AttT (don't you just love napkin math? it lets you get away with crazy stuff...), the new difference is 38 TPS.
What if I was to put 3 in attt and 2 in cruelty? Seems a waste to add only 2 but it IS a crit increase...Either 2 in cruelty or 2 in focused rage?
I usually run with Deep Wounds, 3/3 AttT, and 2/5 Cruelty. That should be the highest TPS build out there.
Thank you. Ima need to put out some extra threat...we are all progressing and raiding every week. Guilies are getting new gear and putting out more dps. It aint gettin easy
Sooo much theory crafting... I should have just asked for a link to the best Threat build and put my head in the sand :P
Maybe I'm still stuck in BC mode, but I love getting 5k Shield slams, and seperating myself from the undergeared dps while tanking.
I'm going to do some digging on the site and see what I can come up with. Right now I'm doing 3/3 AttT and 2/5 Cruelty, also for Fury 5/5 Demo shout since it seems I'm the only warrior in raids and the fury warriors never use it.
edit: And same race and professions! :O
Anyway AttT is much better than Cruelty for the points. AP affects almost everything we do now (Shield Slam being a big exception). Our abilities scale pretty awesomely with AP, and AttT gives a bucketload of it for the points spent. I definitely recommend maxing it out before you touch Cruelty.
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Depends on what you're going for; survivability is nice, and threat is fairly cheap these days. It's probably not the best idea in every situation, but that doesn't mean it's a sub-optimal spec.It's a good talent, but there are much better places to spend these 5 points.
If your looking for more info, try searching for a topic titled AttT VS Cruelty.
Overall standings say AttT is better, as cruelty loses it's value with the higher crit you have, (15% to Dev, SS, Rev via talents).
Not to mention that AttT affects Conc Blow, TC, Shockwave, among other things.
While Imp Demo shout is nice, as the content stands, this is a threat/dps tier, not an avoidance, spend yer points over in arms to push some more T/D PS
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I started playing with my talent tree again,
I scrapped Vigilance and Concuss, did 3/3 AttT and 4/5 Cruelty
Started reading through one of the guides on here discussing the ups and downs of LK talents and doing a whole different build. Really liking the TPS on it, and no one's able to pull off aggro now, except my OT Prot Paladin while trashing.
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If deep wounds is a really big +TPS I'd scratch 2/2 Revenge and 3/5 Cruelty for it.


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I bought my first one for these used in 2007. Compared to a black MIJ Jaguar Special HH I owned (which I've since sold for another one of these), the pickups in this guitar are volcanic on the humbucking settings and very nice on the single coil settings. I've done a lot of recording with these guitars (I have three for different tunings), and feel that the coil splitting is somewhat limited in terms of the different sounds that you can get. Once you dial a pickup away from single coil by about 1/8th of a turn, you are immediately into the heavier sounding humbucker territory - it's not as much of a gradual transition as you might think - from there things just get louder. I think that I'd probably prefer just a switch between the settings instead of the dials if only to eliminate "analysis paralysis." I've done 100's of takes on these guitars to test ALL of the various permutations and my favorite setup is either just single-neck or hum-neck, and sometimes both pickups mixed between hard single and hard humbucking, but almost never somewhere in between on the coil-splitting dials. The neck as a bit of a rough-around-the-edges feel compared to the quality of the MIJ models, but I like it. It's a really raw and potent feeling guitar. My only issue with it is that the bridge buzzes constantly, but some hot wax melted into the screws eliminated that problem for me. Other than that it's an amazing guitar. I briefly owned a relic'd Kurt Cobain Jaguar and this guitar is better than that in terms of sound - the KC Jaguar is very harsh sounding to my ears. This guitar is also louder and fuller sounding than the black MIJ Special HH. I've recently purchased a Squier J Masic Jazzmaster (amazing guitar for the price), and I would only describe it as "different" than this guitar. I'd love it if Fender did some more colours for it, and perhaps made a model that replaces the dials with toggle switches high on the horn that cut between single-hum for both pickups.
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I recieved this guitar in 2011 from my dad, as my Squier Telecaster was reaching the end of its life. At first the playability was hard, but now it is the fore-front of our band! It is a truly wonderful instrument with many great features, and sounds amazing through my Marshall! It is louder then hell and the controls are endless, any tone is avaliable. Buy this guitar, it is honestly the best one around!!
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To start off, the offset body and short scale of any Jag makes for comfortable play while sitting and easier use for those with smaller hands.
Although named 'Classic Player', the HH is a thoroughly updated iteration of the venerable Jaguar. Intent on keeping the vintage look, Fender put serious thought into best utilizing the old control layout with the new humbuckers. At any time on old-school Jags, half of the controls are non-functional, meaning half is dependent on the position of the rhythm/lead switch. On the CP HH, Fender dumped the rhythm circuit and made all the controls active at all times by completely rerouting the controls on the upper horn. The rollers coil-split each humbucker. The switch that was once used to swap between circuits is now a killswitch. Finally, on the lower horn, the high-cut switch is now a low-cut switch to take the edge off the bass and give back some of that vintage jangle. These changes vastly improve the ability for the player to shape the guitar's sound, just be sure to avoid striking the controls on the lower horn while strumming. The Fender Enforcer humbuckers give off a crisp, well-defined roar. They are great for chording and can be thinned out using the new coil-splitting controls to simulate the clarity of single-coils for solos. The reverberation caused by all the metal and springs in the tremolo assembly makes the CP HH sound brighter than most humbucker-equipped guitars I've played.
One minor issue is that the functionality of the bullet-style headstock. The CP's old-school truss rod adjustment at the base of the neck would have been nice. The Jaguar Special Edition had a bullet-style before the CP's release, so why they went back to the vintage version is beyond me. Also on the SE, but lacking on the CP, is a matching headstock which would have looked gorgeous on the Olympic White model.
This is a fantastic guitar, capable of a range of subtle to ferocious play worthy of the name Jaguar.
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My main gripe if you will is the fact that this is an £800 - £1000 axe and the bridge rings terribly when not plugged in and can get noticable if you dont play behind a wall of gain when ampped. Now i know that Jaguars are renowned for this to the point that the problem is known as Jaguar Ring but i feel Fender could quite easily address this problem that has been well documented for years all over the internet, it could be the difference maker if you let it get to you.
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Real nice guitar, plays and sounds great. The only problem for me is the kill-switch, wich for me is unusable. On the otherside, the coil-splitting is really usable, you can get many sounds out of one guitar, if you want. Or just one great sound. The short scale is getting more comfortable to me.
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i picked up this guy about a year ago cause i was looking for a guitar with humbuckers and have always loved the jag body style. it was a little rough to play at first, but a good setup solved that problem. i still have a little trouble keeping it in tune, but had a similar problem with a jaguar in the past. it's a high quality guitar for the price, and you can't beat the adjustability of the sound with the coil tapping and kill switch.
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Fit and finish of my guitar is perfect. I'm in love with the olympic white color. So much so I ordered an acoustic Sonoran to match my Jaguar. I really like the blend knobs for Hum canceling. If I had one criticism with this guitar it would be the lack of the bridge string mute like on an original version. That said I really like the components on this guitar. The chrome control plates and trem assembly really pop. The guitar has a great feel, and while it is large enough it doesn't fit in a start/tele case, to me the body doesn't feel big or cumbersome in any way. Overall I am very pleased. Versatile tone for a variety of musical genres. She's a keeper.
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Nice calc, but why aren't you taking into account Charges and Shouts ?
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Last edited by Tengenstein; 07-15-2013 at 08:30 AM.
Nice calc, but why aren't you taking into account Charges and Shouts ?
I'm not taking into account charge becuase most tanks do not charge on CD. SHouts aren't modeled becuase for the most part the RPS of a shout a will depend on which abilitly you use replace or delay using when casting a shout. which is kind athe same reason i don't take into account the RPS loss of having to keep WB up via TC. casting shout on CD is not just +0.3RPS, its 0.3-RPS of the abilty you would otherwise use,and if you delay the shout itself, which you probably should if you have Snb, or Rev up, especially so if avatar is up, you start diminishing the RPS of the shout aswell.
Edit: updated the sheet to include DR from armour.
Last edited by Tengenstein; 08-01-2012 at 01:08 AM.
Just quickly looking over the spreadsheet and a few questions.
Is the base 5% miss we get gone now?
Also cell b48 looks like you are missing () if I understand what you are trying to do.
Trying to figure out exactly what is going on in here but it seems like their is a loop somewhere because if you enter the same stat value multiple times the RPS / DR / SB % values change slightly.
Thanks for spotting those.
I have missed the 4.4% chance bosses have to miss. and there is a loop because average SB uptime affects your Critical block rate which affects your RPS which affects your average SB uptime.
Miss was changed with MoP, you've got 3% baseline and 1.5% reduction per enemy level over player level, so you'd have -1.5% versus bosslevel. (And if i'm reading the only bluepost i seem to be able to find at the moment correctly, the generell reduction for avoidance is now 1.5% per level)
Ouch, bosses have a 12% higher chance to hit you? That's brutal...
Well, it would be 3*1,5*3 = 13,5 (or even 18, if you'd want to add block...) :>
But i don't know if the reduction is really like this. It would be quite extrem imho.
If base miss chance is 3% the boss couldn't really ignore 4.5% of your miss chance. Would make it 4.5 from dodge 4.5 from parry and 3 from hit. I wonder if this does affect block... that would be horrible.
@Quietsch; Thank you for you PM, i can only respond to a PM every 2 hours, so please forgive me for responding here. If you unhide the top of my sheet you'll see it doesn't assume all chains are six seconds, and it also doesn't exclude rage from avoidance procced revenge in calculating the base rage, Hopefully it should look familair. I'm not quite sure where my calc is differing from yours, but if you set the expertise/hit to capped (10k rating in each) and the set chain caster to yes, cell I17 should give you the same number as your calculator. It doesn't. we are getting the same average cycle length (J17), and same probabilites for a SS/Dev only rotation, i'm fairly certain you're right, but the PM kinda garbled the formatting so theres alot of "<>" in places where i think you meant to start a new line if you would be so kind try to nail down where I've gone wrong in the spread sheet.
thanks for head up about the miss/avoidance redcution, Knew i should have been lazier about responding to takethecakes miss chance thing.
@Takethecake i can't imagine why it wouldn't affect block. block suppression happens now, why would it be a special case in MoP
Last edited by Tengenstein; 08-01-2012 at 09:50 AM.
According to the bluepost, it affects block. (But well, who knows, if it's really like this.)(And you got a point there, at 3% miss - I'm still living in pre-MoP-avoidance-times :P)
Block isn't, at least as warrior, this much of a problem, as you got SB (... well, if SB were flat block, not counting your baseblock so including reduction you weren't capped anymore, that would be horrible.).
(those <> where meant to be... erm... equivalence symbols (I don't know, if there's a specific word for those))
/e just to clarifly it: I have only looked a (very) short time at those chains with options other than hit & expt cap + chain caster Yes, so i have nearly no idea, if the results they give are correct or not, my whole post is only directed at those settings. (My guess is, that they are a bit off, because of those already mentioned problems, but as all are 6s long, it is probably a relative lower relative error)(I'll look at it... either tomorrow, or later)
And now i've finally understood the problem of your calculation.
(Everything assuming hit and expertise cap, also ignoring latency and so on, as well as on a chain-casting boss (and revenge ignored, which is another problem in your sheet, as it still uses a GCD (-> you can use less Dev, so less (possible) SnB-proccs)))
First, the values for the chains (same as in the sheet):
(1) SS - Dev - SnB-SS: 0.3, 20 Rage, 3 Seconds
(2) SS - Dev - Dev - SnB-SS: 0.7*0.3 = 0.21, 20 Rage, 4.5 Seconds
(3) SS - Dev - Dev - Dev - SnB-SS: 0.7*0.7*0.3 = 0.147, 20 Rage, 6 Seconds
(4) SS - Dev - Dev - Dev - SS: 0.7*0.7*0.7 = 0.343, 15 Rage, 6 Seconds
Your sheet does the following:
RPS = 0.3*20/3 + 0.21*20/4.5 + 0.147*20/6 + 0.343*15/6 = 20*(0.3*1/3 + 0.21*2/9 + 0.147*1/6 + 0.343*1/8) (the second term is so to say Rage * average chainduration)
Basically, every style has a certain RPS, so total RPS is the sum of all style-RPS multiplied with the appropriate percentage.
The problem is, that it doesn't account for the... fitting duration of each chain. The chain duration in this formula would be 1/(0.3*(1/3) + 0.21*(1/4.5) + 0.147*(1/6) + 0.343*(1/8)), which is not equal to the correct duration (And also does it grant to much rage per chain, if you'd ... shift the other RPS formula into the same 'format', it would bei 0,91425*20 Rage per chain)(To be honest I'm still not quite... well, sure, as well as able to write it understandable, why the formula shows the results it does, the only thing i'm able to say is, that it's wrong :P (It would probably require same GCD-lenghts, to be working or something like that - which is quite a bit of required work)).
RPS = (20*0,3 + 20*0,21 + 20*0,147 + 15*0,343)/(0,3*3+0,21*4,5+0,147*6+0,343*6) ( = average Rage per chain divided by average chain duration)
Last edited by Quietsch; 08-01-2012 at 12:18 PM.
One thing that really intrigues me on that GC post is this part :
This means we simply aren't gonna be missed anymore by bosses, and we are coming from a 0.2% per lvl avoidance stat bypass to a 1.5% per lvl. This is a 750% increase. How is this justified ?Secondly, players have been curious about the combat table chances against players of boss mobs. What is described in that blog post is indeed accurate for a boss attacking a player. That does mean that a player has a base 3% chance to be missed, 3% chance to dodge (if they know Dodge), 3% chance to parry (if they know Parry), and 3% chance to block (if they know Block). That chance is indeed reduced by 1.5% per level difference, so a 92+ will never miss a 90. So to use a simple example, a monk with no parry on gear or other buffs has a 3% base parry chance, plus 5% from Swift Reflexes, for a total character sheet parry chance of 8%. A level 93 boss attacking that Monk will get parried 3.5% of the time. Hope that clears things up.
I for example use Charge coupled with my HL (glyphed to a 30sec CD). I place that combo between two GCDs, which prevents altering my GCD rotation.
And so more or less every 30 sec, I have 1 Charge that grants an additional 30 Rage, equal to very roughly, +1 RPS to my overall avg RPS amount, only through Charge.
Shouts are on the GCD so can't proceed as such. Since Shouts provide 20 Rage, using them and delaying a non SnB SS, will still provide more Rage, and using it instead of a Revenge will provide even some more Rage.
In fact, unless I'm missing something, you'll never lose Rage per GCD by using a Shout instead of an SS, Rev or a Dev (unless Avatar is active, which will be only 20/1.8 % (11.1%) of the time).
Again, I understand that this complicates things for you, but by not taking those into account, you can't make any solid RPS conclusions based on that calc.
Last edited by kebess; 08-01-2012 at 01:21 PM.
The problem with charge is, that it's not simply a cooldown, but has even moar requirements, so it's relatively hard to model it (at least approximately) correctly in an not-totally-complicated calculator (Of course, if you assume, you'd never postpone your GCD, it's totally simple - but... i'd highly doubt that.). (But with this simplified model, it would be exactly 1 RPS (Shouldn't charge be 20 Rage, so 2/3 RPS?) (or rather, it would be exactly 30(20?)/x, whereas x your Chargefrequency is))
You lose Rage if you use a shout instead of an SnB-SS. (Simply, because the relative amount by which the SS CD is postponed is greater, than for a shout)
The optimal use for shouts is instead of the 3rd Dev in a row. (Of course every other place with the exception of SnB-SS is also increased RPS, but (much) less)
/e @ Baseavoidance change: It depends on mechanics and so on, so you can't simply say 'It isn't justified' (I don't want to imply you are like this). Overall it can make sense or not. As the mechanics of all tank-classes are changed, it's somewhat reasonable, to also change those 'basic' mechanics. (It's the same with block as 2nd roll. It isn't justified or not justified, rather it's 'useful/target-aimed', or not.)
Last edited by Quietsch; 08-01-2012 at 02:01 PM.
Combining Charge to Intervene to have more uses, on the other hand, is a bit more trickier to place in between 2 GCDs without any delay.
I thought roughly 1 RPS, because you might delay the Charge a sec or 2 while timing it so it is placed exactly in between 2 GCDs, and thus bringing that 30 sec CD to something like 31 or 32 sec. But for simplicity sake, it can be rounded up to 30 sec, yes.
You might indeed want to place your Shout right after that SnB proc as you said, which would inevitably increase your RPS.
Last edited by kebess; 08-01-2012 at 02:32 PM.
I see - but it's missing on wowhead (or i'm simply getting old/blind... :/).
I also use the glyphed Charge, which provides 30 Rage instead of 20.
In his kind of simulator it can't happen. Also, even in reality it should nearly never happen (or at least not, if your latency is good enough to not miss an SnB proc for an entire GCD).
I can see how that can happen, but the chance of it happening is also much slimmer than the chance of it not happening.
You might indeed want to place your Shout right after that SnB proc as you said, which would inevitably increase your RPS.
Also, you don't want to use it right after SnB, but right before an _normal_ SS. (Right after SnB you'd use either revenge or devastate - revenge with 10 rage, and if it's postponed something between 10/9*1,5 Rage up to... well, in the worst case 10 Rage loss, devastate with... dunno, 2-4 Rage (probably the higher one) i'd guess... loss. (I'm too lazy to calculate it right now, sorry))
I think i get it.. lemme up load another spreadsheet and you can check if i actually got what you meant. And yes this would be so much easier if we actually had the vocabulary to understand what we' meant.
on the whole Rev against chain caster. yes it is poorly modeled, I don't know how to do it better, however being that mastery/parry/dodge all are completely worthless against chain casters i'm not to fussed about it, the stat priorty is just hit=exp>stam and not particularily interesting, I suppose we could just append +10/9-rps/9 for chain casting.
since Revenge only gives 10 Rage, and Devastate in the best case scenario would proc a second SnB, that could be used right after.
But since SnB+Shout => 2 GCD, and SnB+Dev+SnB => 3 GCD, you'd still be gaining more RPS with the Shout combo.
Of course, I see how you could get even more Rage by placing your Shout on the 4th GCD of the rotation, instead of the 2nd Dev, if there isn't a second SnB proc.
But in any case, using the Shout after the 1st SnB (whether it's right after or on the 4th GCD) should always provide more Rage than not using it at all. Do you agree, or I'm missing something ?
Erm... You're missing quite a few points (to answer your question(s): Yes, it grants even more Rage. Also, using Shout grants equal or more Rage than not using it (and in most cases more)). Especially that every rage-granting style got a CD. And also that we've got a potentially infinite chain of styles. (Of course, in a fight, it would end at some point, but in our 'optimal', theoretical model it doesn't).
In your SnB - Shout - Dev - SnB case, you'd get 60 Rage over 6s. In the case of SnB - Dev - SnB - Shout you'd get 60 Rage over 6s.
But: In your case, at the end of the chain your SS has 6s CD. In 'my' case i've got 4.5s CD. So basically, if there wasn't another SnB-Proc, it would be SnB - Shout - Dev - SnB - Dev - Dev - Dev - SS for 75 Rage over 12s, versus SnB - Dev - SnB - Dev - Dev - Shout - SS for 75 Rage over 10.5s. /e fixed stupid mistake...
It's all based on the fact, that a CD delay for a Shout has a much lower influence of the Rage generation from the shout (to be exact (if i'm not missing something besides the Glyph which is imho, as prot, (nearly) worthless, as you want to use as many GCDs as possible to generate Rage, which is opposed to a glyph which grants you the same amount of rage but over 2 GCDs, so the cooldown of Shouts is 60s) it's 20/60*1,5 Rage lost per GCD, whereas SS is 15/6*1,5 Rage lost per GCD (or even more with SnB))
/e Just an addition: There are times, when your method would grant better Results.
For example, if you got the case that _every_ Dev causes SnB.
In 60 GCDs there would be, with my method:
30 Dev, 30 SnB
your method: 30 Dev, 29 SnB, 1 Shout (Dev at GCD 0, so... durr. It's obvious the same. The more... well meaningful example is starting with SnB (or SS): I'd have 30 SnB, 30 Dev, while you'd have 30 SnB, 1 Shout, 29 Dev, so as long as we don't look at the next GCD, you'd have 'won')
(Well, it's a example, with a chance of ... 0,3^30 = 0,0000000000000002058911, so a small probability. :P)
Last edited by Quietsch; 08-01-2012 at 03:33 PM.
What I mean is, in both scenario, you will gain some more Rage, than if you didn't use your Shout at all.
I thought in you previous post you were saying you could lose Rage by, let's say doing : SnB - Shout - Rev - Dev, instead of , SnB - Rev - Dev - SnB.
In the second scenario, your SS is on CD after the rotation, which is worse than in the Shout rotation, since it's up right after.
But I totally agree that an even more optimal way of using your Shout would be on the 4th GCD.
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|24.13 x 12.75 x 19.5
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|Stainless steel
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|Oven control lockout, locks in self-clean cycle, auto oven shut off
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|40 amps
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|15.6 kW @ 240V / 11.5 kW @ 208V
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|Hidden Bake Element
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Kenmore Elite 7.0 cu. ft. Double-Oven Electric Range - Baker's Delight
With this Kenmore Elite 7.0 cu. ft. double-oven electric range 9751, you're able to cook more food using the dual ovens that can hold twice as much. The large oven windows allow you to see when your food is done. The ceramic glass cooktop is easy to wipe clean. Use the TurboBoil feature to quickly boil your water and, once it's done, place it on the Warm & Ready zone to maintain the perfect temperature until your ready to serve. This Kenmore electric range with convection oven will be the darling of every baker's kitchen.
- The triple ring element delivers 1,200-3,000 Watts of power and matches its heat source to 6-, 9- and 12-inch cookware, giving you quick, even heating that saves time and energy.
- One of the fastest heating elements around, Electric Turbo Boil™ delivers 3,200 Watts of heat in seconds, bringing pots and kettles to a boil without wasting your valuable time.
- A Warm and Ready™ zone on the cooktop keeps food warm and ready to serve without overcooking, so everything is ready at once.
- With a long-lasting finish that's less likely to tarnish or discolor than others, porcelain-coated oven racks keep foods from sticking and make cleanup fast.
- Easy Set™ electronic oven controls automate temperature, timer and other features so you can bake a pie, roast beef or cook a casserole with just the touch of a finger.
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Works extremely well.
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We had to get a Microwave last year and when this range came on sale and matched the MW, we could not resist. We love Sears Kenmore Elite products and also have a fridge and barbeque that are awesome.
Miami, FL
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The control panel is held on with glue, which melts. When it comes off, Sears will require you to buy a new panel instead of fixing it. The part is over $500. The total repair was over $800. Naturally, I declined. The repairman said these panels fail very often. The electronics go bad, and then you're out $800. DO NOT BUY THIS PIECE OF JUNK. Also, the white top turns black nearly every time you use it, and you have to scrape the crud off by hand.
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Prior to purchasing I did my research and read 'all' the reviews; at the time there were no negatives. In December 2011 I went ahead and paid $2300 plus $800 protection agreement for three years. One week after it was installed the glass over the control panel was 'hanging' and the entire control panel needed to be replaced. Fast forward December 2013; I just had my third control panel replaced two days ago. The problem is that the steam vents are just below the control panel so when the oven is on, steam rises up and during baking/roasting, it causes an error (F14) to flash. I have to turn it off and wait a few minutes then restart it. After paying this much money I shouldn't have to deal with this. Unfortunately for me, I will have to purchase a protection agreement every two or three years as long as I own this range. Be careful of buying any digital appliances because it will be costly in the long run and very prone to problems. Save your money and buy the ovens with regular knobs! Same advise for refrigerators. I bought the digital French door at the same time as the oven and have had it serviced each of the three years I've had it.
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All I can say is don't buy it I had one and with in 2 years I had error codes and the top burners would not work. Sear came out and told me it would be $800 to fix it and would not be under warranty nor would they work with me in any way with the repair cost. I took it as far up the chain with Sears as I could and they did not care in the least. I tried to buy the parts myself and there were software upgrades that would not allow the new parts to work, $400, I sent them back 5 times. Had an outside repair co. come in and they told me it would be $800 but they could not guaranty the work because it was electronic and I should **** the unit. So I scraped a 2 year old range that looked like new and purchased another brand with a longer warranty. Do your homework with this purchase. To be honest I wanted to throw the thing though the window of the local Sears I was so mad.
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This stove is just what I wanted. All the stoves that were double ovens had a small oven on top and a large oven on the bottom. Who would like to pick up a 24 pound turkey up off the floor. I would not buy an oven like that. Finally I found this one. I have had this oven since it first came out in 2011. The store did not even have a floor model out yet but I took a chance on it... I LOVE IT. Same size of both ovens and it fantastic for holidays or a big family. Buy it you won't regret it!!!
Hollywood, FL
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The best electric range ever
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I received this range for Christmas 2011. I liked it until the loud continual beep and all power to it had to be turned off in the middle of fixing dinner! I have had at least 6 service calls. Three since March of this year 2013! The control panel has been replaced three times and the fourth has been ordered. Thankfully I purchased the PA. I have requested the product be replaced. Hopefully they will realize at $600 each replacement, it is more cost effective to just replace it. If it is not replaced, I'm not sure why they offer the PA's.
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Quick heating & even temperatures in ovens and on cooktop; very pleased with food appearance & quality. Pie crusts crispy, biscuits golden, sauces smooth. Roasted an unstuffed 14 pound turkey to perfection in 3 hours. There's room for a bigger one. Use the convection roast feature so the broiler element on top doesn't come on and burn the turkey. You'll need a low-sided pan for the convection air circulation, with a rack positioning the turkey near the bottom. If you baste often, use the top oven or you'll be down on the floor a lot. You can't tent with foil, but butter-soaked muslin should work. This range went at the end of a narrow galley kitchen; the smaller oven doors let me reach everything easily. If it had a gas cooktop it would be perfect, but the cooktop needs TLC. You can't do canning on it, and I had to replace my old assorted cookware. All the control buttons are like speed-dial; very convenient once you try it. Still shines like new after months of daily use.
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Like its ancestor, the Classic Series '72 Telecaster® Custom guitar combines the tradition of a single-coil bridge pickup with the supercharged sound of a humbucking neck pickup. Features include an alder body, maple neck with three-bolt plate and Micro-Tilt™ adjustment, maple or rosewood fingerboard, single-coil Telecaster bridge pickup, Fender Wide Range humbucking neck pickup, and vintage-style bridge and tuners.
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I read a review of this in an old issue of Guitar World and knew that I definitely had to give this guitar a try. Being too guitar romantic I purchased it unplayed and was not disappointed. Being a Stones fan I put it through some Keef moves before trying some different styles of music. The neck pickup is warm and mellow and perfect for blues or jazz as any decent neck pickup should be. Also great for a muddy Kyuss/Queens of the Stone Age high gain tone. The bridge pick-up is amazing at everything from clean country to high gain punk rock. I gig with this guitar on a regular basis and night after night it puts up with some heavy abuse. The fact that this guitar is just so tremendously fun to play has made it my go to for song-writing (a task that I tend to abhor). The only issue I can see anyone having with this guitar is the placement of the pickup selector. Having owned a Les Paul style guitar this was not a huge issue for me. In conclusion, this guitar is good for any style of music with the possible exception of some more modern metal (I imagine someone will prove me wrong though). If you gig and need something with great tonal diversity, buy this instrument!
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I bought this guitar last year, I am impressed by both the tone, powerful enough, and the modest price.
Really good buy before you buy an American Tele.
In my country (Italy) Luciano Ligabue, a famous singer, owns this guitar.
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WOW, for my first guitar, this is definitely the best choice. i have the
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Love this guitar, but had to make a couple of changes. It shouldn't have 250 pots for the humbucker and the switch felt really clunky. Plays great and sounds great now.
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If you can only have one electric guitar, this is probably the one you need to have. It can handle all genres and styles of music you might play. You don't see a whole lot of these around and I find that original parts are also hard to find. But if you get this guitar setup by a professional, you will have yourself a tremendous, workhorse guitar. It's tough, looks and sounds fabulous and if you learn how to utilize the pickup selector along with the tone and volume controls, you can create some very diverse and sounds. I am totally pleased with mine. Maybe, it's because it's my first "real" electric guitar. (You know, your first love is special!) But at any rate, I wouldn't trade mine for anything. l get the traditional tele twang when I want it to a sweet mellow tone from the humbucker. What else can you want from an electric guitar. It holds its tuning exceptionally well and the versatility can't be beat. An exceptional instrument well worth the street price.
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President Joan Hinde Stewart signed the commitment in April 2007 affirming that Hamilton College would maintain and develop policies that are environmentally sound.
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Can Christopher Bailey keep up the momentum that he has built up over the past seasons? A resounding 'yes' echoed from fashionistas all over the world when Burberry unveiled their latest offering. With a FROW scattered with some of the world's most stylish people (sadly no Emma Watson) were treated to a collection that moved away from rock and roll chic towards a very British take on Balenciaga's 1960's structures.
As Jourdan Dunn and Arizona Muse sauntered down the runway with their liquorice-stick legs, it was clear that Autumn Winter 2011 was going to be all about colour and outerwear. Although still a strong emphasis on the trench, jackets, coats and capes were given a touch of mink, cropped and sculptured within an inch of their life. But Bailey's creative range was not simply felt within form - the rainbow colour palate ranged from striking 'tangerine' and 'peacock blue' to a less formidable 'black' and 'camel'. Even though block colours where often used, prints came through in lumberjack and the timeless Burberry check. To contrast the bold winter warmers, legs were kept minimal, with classic cut trousers being their only embellishment, and the frilly flowing skirts of seasons past long gone.
Along with statement outerwear, accessories played a part in the collection. Bailey certainly knows what the customer wants; youthful sky high boots gave the models endless legs, and sophisticated, oversized, monochrome clutches clung to their arms. But a go to next season will be the structured cross body (or clutch as it was styled in the show), which is already available to pre-order on the Burberry website.
After the evocative soundtrack of Dusty Springfield, Adele and Roger Daltry had blared out, and the flat capped models had walked past, a snow shower fell upon the catwalk and the models emerged protected from the elements in uniformed translucent capes. The Burberry girl has never looked as timelessly chic as this latest reincarnation of her.
Autumn Winter 2011 is a refreshing new direction for Burberry, and certainly one that will be featured in the wardrobes of the best dressed.
- Sarah Vanstone
Congratulations to Sarah who is the winner of our YOU, The FROWer competition.


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Ralph Murre | Caparem
Ralph Murre is the author of "Crude Red Boat", a book of poetry from Cross+Roads Press. Ordering information is available from caparem(at)charter.net. His poems and other writing have appeared in a number of small press publications and web sites.
Eric Chaet suffers the plight of many self-made American writers: nobody knows his name. Well, some of us do. But not nearly enough. Eric has set a simple task for himself: To change the world.
He presently lives in the backwaters of DePere, Wisconsin and writes in that time-honored tradition of American rebels (Emerson, Thoreau, Whitman Ginsberg, Kerouac. et. al.) who have miles to go before they sleep, a world of things to say about the human condition, whole philosophies to examine in darkness and light, spewing forth words and ideas in a kind of rambling monologue/dialogue that doesn't necessarily fit the classic domains of neat novels, stories, essays, poems or books. He's one of those American writers bigger than any form can hold.
I first met Eric via Wisconsin Public Radio when he called in on a program I was doing with Jean Feraca concerning the American poet-rebel, Kenneth Patchen, and surprised me with his knowledge of Patchen's life and work. I later met him for coffee in Green Bay, invited him to read and discuss his life at one of my classes at The Clearing, and for the last three years or so, kept in touch with him and his work via e-mail.
He is someone I have always wanted to feature in an essay-profile, but since I have my own deadlines, not to mention battles with local/state publications, wallowing in the same-old, same-old, unwilling to give me the column I need, the small price it takes to feed a writer, the space to develop full-length profiles and pieces, writing-on-the-web-whenever will have to do, for now. Though I encourage newspaper, magazine, and radio people on my public and private e-mail lists, to take a look at the story-potential of Eric Chaet and give him the exposure he needs. He's as American as apple pie, as revolutionary as the local anarchist down the street who goes to church every Sunday. And truth-to-tell, this country is in dire need of his kind of thinking these days. by Norbert Blei
Bruce Hodder is a British poet (Beat/Upbeat/Downbeat) with one haiku'd-eye fixed savagely on his literary countrymen, the other (the wild one) peering amusedly at the jazzy antics/riffs of scribblers (past/prsent) here in the colonies; writer, critic, self-critic, comtemplater, curmudgeon, blogger,roustabout, man-of-his-word firmly rooted in the 'angry young man' tradition of bluesy-blowzy-bloody ole England. He can be found (among other places) in the recent, much heralded anthology of contemporary writing, OTHER VOICES, Works in Progress,featuring 22 accomplished writers and artists from here, there, all over the world, available from Cross+Roads Press, PO Box 33, Ellison Bay, WI ($17 plus $3 shipping and handling).
Jeff Winke lives in Milwaukee, Wisconsin in a downtown industrial loft with his wife, two-thirds of his children and a posse of four cats.where he plies his skills as a PR counselor, magazine editor and adjunct university professor.
Recent books include PR Idea Book: 50 Proven Tools That Really Work (Denver: Outskirts Press, 2006) and the haiku collection What's Not There (Chicago: Deep North Press, 2002), which won a Merit Book Award from the Haiku Society of America.
Photo: Mike Starling
I started Free Lunch after I had a bout with cancer and was trying to put my life in some perspective. I thought about how important poetry had been to me my whole life and how much it had given to me. So, I thought, I want to give something back to poetry and poets. So that's when I got the idea for Free Lunch.
I would give serious poets living in the U.S. a free subscription to my magazine. That list nears 1200 now. Also, I made a promise to myself that I would comment as best I could on all work sbmitted to me. As a poet myself, I knew how dispiriting it was to get a printed rejection slip with no indication as to why my work was being rejected. I feel that this commitment to commenting on submissions is just one of the unique qualities of Free Lunch."
Ron Offen | Editor


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