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PROMETHEUS Goes Viral Again With Happy Birthday Video!!
The Kidd here...
20th Century Fox continues to build the viral campaign around PROMETHEUS with another video centered around the Weyland Corporation making its way online. This time we get more information about Michael Fassbender's David and his capabilities, and Fassbender seems to be fitting this role perfectly. It's spot-on in its mechanical coldness while also trying really hard to convey human emotions. Creepy yet brilliant.
-Billy Donnelly
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April 17, 2012, 8:13 a.m. CST
So Excited for this
by monkeygiles
Can't come soon enough
April 17, 2012, 8:16 a.m. CST
A.I. all grown up...hello David.
by erniedouglas
April 17, 2012, 8:18 a.m. CST
Very creepy
by corplhicks
April 17, 2012, 8:19 a.m. CST
Gotta admit it...pretty cool. Sounds like HAL...
by Flyswatta
April 17, 2012, 8:19 a.m. CST
Fully Functional?
by Knocky
April 17, 2012, 8:19 a.m. CST
by Johan
But all I wanna know is "Where... they... are"
April 17, 2012, 8:21 a.m. CST
Perfectly cast! I forgot he was a lead in 300.
by dead youngling
April 17, 2012, 8:21 a.m. CST
The tears...the creepy crocodile tears!
by FlickaPoo
April 17, 2012, 8:22 a.m. CST
by simongarth2001
Just subtlety Brilliant. I am soooo looking forward this this.
April 17, 2012, 8:24 a.m. CST
If the movie is as good as the viral, I'll have to make a trip to the cineplex.
by iakobos
April 17, 2012, 8:25 a.m. CST
Will his accent inexplicably revert to Irish in the third act?
by rev_skarekroe
They're after me lucky charms, Professor X!
April 17, 2012, 8:25 a.m. CST
What are those skull things in the background?
by Flyswatta
April 17, 2012, 8:25 a.m. CST
by kubricksnutsack
Even the virals are good...
April 17, 2012, 8:27 a.m. CST
Damn, I didn't know he was playing a robot...
by KEVIN_COSTNERS_RECYCLED_PISS
I take it they reveal that he's a robot right off the bat in this and that it's not going to be a plot twist?
April 17, 2012, 8:27 a.m. CST
Nice. Very good casting if you ask me.
by Can
April 17, 2012, 8:30 a.m. CST
I never had a birthday.
by Ye Not Guilty
April 17, 2012, 8:30 a.m. CST
That is actually making me rethink Bishop
by Robert Evans
Was he as benign as he let on? He did have a lot of time to himself on LV426...
April 17, 2012, 8:33 a.m. CST
Man! This is Going To Be Another Hit For Scott!
by Real Deal
This movie is shaping up nicely. I really think it'll be up there with his previous SF efforts. If there's one thing that this director understands really well it's Science Fiction.
April 17, 2012, 8:34 a.m. CST
That was definitely cool, and creepy
by Wcwlkr
Especially when he was describing what made him sad. I like Michael Fassbender really good actor.
April 17, 2012, 8:35 a.m. CST
David had never had a birthday party because David had never been born, so they baked a cake and lit some candles.
by Ye Not Guilty
April 17, 2012, 8:35 a.m. CST
Retro Look
by J
It almost looks like, to me, that they're trying to stick with the color scheme and over all look established in Alien. Almost like they're trying to make the future look about the same as they thought it would back in 1979? Jumpsuit design? That video game interface thing he's playing? Maybe I'm just looking too hard? I think too often though when a movie comes out that is in the same universe as one from many years ago the look totally changes as well as the feel,*coughstarwarscough*, and it kind of ruins it. I know the technology is better now and it's hard to not try and use it to it's full advantage but I think Scott is keeping the vibe close. Am I right? Or am I right? Right? Right? Right?
April 17, 2012, 8:37 a.m. CST
powered by Verizon
by Merrick
Hope he works better than my friend's smart phone...
April 17, 2012, 8:37 a.m. CST
jfisch, the shitty 70s looking formica paneling on the wall
by FlickaPoo
was making me think the same thing.
April 17, 2012, 8:38 a.m. CST
damn, I'm impressed.
by Simpsonian
April 17, 2012, 8:39 a.m. CST
by Industrious Angel
Bishop was played by Lance Henriksen ... how much more benign could he possibly get!?
April 17, 2012, 8:47 a.m. CST
by XX
April 17, 2012, 8:48 a.m. CST
Hello, I'm David...
by buggerbugger
Where are Rod, Jane and Freddy?
April 17, 2012, 8:49 a.m. CST
Actually, although I like Fassbender....
by borsky
I thought this viral was a little forced, not subtle as somebody above mentioned. I hope the David character isn't quite so obvious in the movie, and I hope this isn't a pattern set for the movie as a whole. This sinister company overtones stuff has been done to death, and is getting a little boring.
April 17, 2012, 8:51 a.m. CST
If this movie is anywhere near as awesome as the viral campaign
by Brank Hud
it will be awesome indeed. Fassbender and Pearce are VERY VERY good in these videos. I hope Rapace can keep up. We know Theron and Elba got the goods. This might be the movie we've been waiting for all these decades. As Tarantino put it once -- Every year, Hollywood puts out one or two movies that justify its existence. This might be one of those movies, and it's genre. I think the movie gods are about to smile on us.
April 17, 2012, 8:51 a.m. CST
by Robert Evans
The David in the vid is not necessarily the David in the film. He is a model and results may vary from one to the next. This one could be right out of the box and hasnt learned how to interact with humans. For a short, it worked and it gave me chills.
April 17, 2012, 9 a.m. CST
Boner time.
by Karl Childers
April 17, 2012, 9:03 a.m. CST
by Karl Childers
Same thoughts about the technology. I'd rather they keep it "retro" although I've seen some of fancier looking gadgets sneak into the trailers.
April 17, 2012, 9:04 a.m. CST
He got an Indiana Jones action figure for his birthday
by Logan_1973
Haha...great vid. Loving this campaign.
April 17, 2012, 9:07 a.m. CST
So David....Are you gay or just British?
by cookylamoo
April 17, 2012, 9:09 a.m. CST
by ripleysbushybush
did the androids in the previous films have the weyland logo.?? Im worried there maybe some truth to the leaked script
Very cool! I liked the styling as a company-made promotional reel, they captured it just right - with a slightly clunky retro feel. Great touches of detail too like the differently sized cubes of foam stuck to his face in the packaging and the branding on his fingerprint. Wonder if Ridley was involved in shooting these or whether it was farmed out after principal photography had completed?
ripleysbushybush, according to Harry Knowles if you freeze frame ALIEN at exactly 67:22 you can clearly see the Weyland logo on Brian Cox's fingertip.
April 17, 2012, 9:16 a.m. CST
Hal 9000
by JamesT
In human form.
April 17, 2012, 9:16 a.m. CST
So DAVID = HAL ??
by KilliK
because that's the impression i am getting from these viral videos.
April 17, 2012, 9:16 a.m. CST
by Brank Hud
What about the Replicants? They had signatures, albeit at the microscopic level. Not that that means anything regarding the "leaked script" but still. It's consistent with Scott's world.
April 17, 2012, 9:16 a.m. CST
Absolutely awesome!!!!!
by luis prietO
Makes the wait for this movie to come out harder and harder. I hope they will release more of the viral videos to appease the appetite for this movie!!!
April 17, 2012, 9:17 a.m. CST
Is there a movie tie-in novelization coming out?
by Karl Childers
Embarrassingly enough, I have all of the 4 Alien ones.
April 17, 2012, 9:17 a.m. CST
Hello I'm David
by unparanoid_android
Today I'm going to stick a rolled up magazine down Noomi Rapace's throat and then Idris Elba will decapitate me with a crowbar and I'll shower everyone in milky white semen blood. I AM SO FUCKING PUMPED FOR THIS. ANY DOUBTERS LEFT - PLEASE HEAD TO THE AIRLOCK AND PREPARE TO GET BLOWN THE FUCK INTO SPACE
April 17, 2012, 9:18 a.m. CST
by JamesT
You're a wise man sir. :) I mean come on, they named him David. Get it..
April 17, 2012, 9:18 a.m. CST
by KilliK
April 17, 2012, 9:19 a.m. CST
I just hope one of these androids gets ripped open again
by Brank Hud
and they still have those weird plastic balls and tubes inside, and all that milk. I just love android gore. Human gore is boring after awhile. More android gore!!
April 17, 2012, 9:20 a.m. CST
@jamest heh,i am glad i am not the only one who noticed it.
by KilliK
great minds and all that. ;)
That rolled up magazine down Ripley's throat thing kinda confused me when I first saw it, never heard of killing someone that way. Now Im wondering if it was more of a sex thing, after all Brian Cox did seem to be enjoying the skull fucking.
April 17, 2012, 9:27 a.m. CST
by JamesT
They obviously switched to AT&T when they started production on Ash's model.
April 17, 2012, 9:28 a.m. CST
I think the magazine was a Penthouse or such-like
by Brank Hud
and it was a way of saying to a strong female character that males were dominant. They really went after the audience with this one.
April 17, 2012, 9:31 a.m. CST
never understood why he went Irish at the end of X Men
by IWasInJuniorHighDickhead
they didn't film it in sequence, so what happened?
April 17, 2012, 9:32 a.m. CST
Love the nod to Blad Runner's Replicants...
by Cagliostro
With the rotating head profile.
April 17, 2012, 9:33 a.m. CST
@Erniedouglas - Not from A.I.
by Bentley_Bear
You can tie it but this is the 4th movie with a robot and they've been alphabetical in names. Ash, Bishop, Call, David.
April 17, 2012, 9:34 a.m. CST
You are all not looking hard enough. You watch but you do not see. Hint: pay attention to the message hidden after he gives his signal.
by borisdoris
The drawing
April 17, 2012, 9:37 a.m. CST
The viral campaign alone has shown more pure genius, skill and talent than
by conspiracy
all 3 Transformers films, all 3 Star Wars Prequels, and damned near any other film you can think of over the last fucking decade. I hope they continue releasing these Weyland Ind.spots even after the fucking film...they are unsettling and oh so very real feeling and plausible. Love the little line about David being able to do things that humans may find Unethical...lmao
April 17, 2012, 9:42 a.m. CST
by Jaster Mareel
Oh my freeaking God.....FUCKING SPECTACULAR! I want to watch a whole movie about David now!
April 17, 2012, 9:43 a.m. CST
Damn. This video hurts my theory that Weyland is good, but Yutani is evil.
by Royston Lodge
The line about performing tasks that humans might find unethical kinda blows that theory out of the water. I thought that Weyland might be a "good" corporation, interested primarily in exploration, and that Yutani was the "bad" corporation that corrupted Weyland through a hostile takeover. Damn.
April 17, 2012, 9:43 a.m. CST
When the WI logo flashes on the screen
by Brank Hud
(just after the fingerprint moment) you can read the logo "David copyright registered trademark 2078 WI" So there's the likely setting. 100 years after the making of the first film.
April 17, 2012, 9:43 a.m. CST
Creepy but.... effective
by VAwitch
It should be interesting to watch David's development over the course of the movie. Gah - this movie's gonna be a two-viewer, at least, since my TV/sound setup sucks at home.
April 17, 2012, 9:44 a.m. CST
Is Ridley personally doing these?
by Jaster Mareel
Because they are spellbinding, particularly this one. A fucking genius director is putting this together and if it's not Ridley, then it is an up-and-comer of enormous magnitude.
April 17, 2012, 9:45 a.m. CST
Shame DVD out now but not in stores?
by Bodacious_Crumb
Target nor BestBuy is carrying it. Is it because of the NC-17 rating? Ridiculous, if that's the case. They'll sell Unrated cuts but not this? For SHAME!!!
April 17, 2012, 9:47 a.m. CST
by Bodacious_Crumb
April 17, 2012, 9:48 a.m. CST
"isn't" carrying it..
by Bodacious_Crumb
Damn get with the times and put a fucking edit function on these talkbacks!!!! A time-out edit would work brilliantly!
April 17, 2012, 9:48 a.m. CST
"aren't" carrying it....
by Bodacious_Crumb
FUCKING grammar policing myself too late.
April 17, 2012, 9:49 a.m. CST
It's 10 am
by Brank Hud
That means it's time to go get liquor and watch Machete.
April 17, 2012, 9:49 a.m. CST
@wrath_of_fett it's his son if i am not mistaken.
by KilliK
April 17, 2012, 9:49 a.m. CST
"or is it Target nor Bestbuy are carrying it"?
by Bodacious_Crumb
Methinks I have OCD with correcting myself. Please help.
April 17, 2012, 9:49 a.m. CST
And we all just got to see the animation and menu screen for the blu ray
by alienindisguise
April 17, 2012, 9:49 a.m. CST
God..that was wonderfull...geting a strong vibe he becomes the prime threat in a way..
by TheAwareness
Wow..the best viral campaign ive seen thus far, Mc fastbender is shaping up to be among our finest actors of this generation He knows how to truly "Disappear" into a role..even better he,s playing one of of my favorite villains Mags(one of them atleast i have many )..i generally root for the bad guys now a days since most writers don't know how to write hero's worth a shit anymore,though there are rare exceptions about 300: i loved when he,could no longer restrain himself in the presence of his General:"WE ARE WITH YOU SIRE!.FOR SPARTA, FOR FREEDOM! with that glint of love/fiery awe in his eyes. a true solder I can wait till i direct silver surfer hell be my Norrin Radd..just wait nerds.. p.s. did Tarantino's silver surfer screenplay ever leak?
April 17, 2012, 9:50 a.m. CST
Agree about the retro look
by VAwitch
I think it's a smart move on Ridley's part - the majority of the audience, regardless how "hard core" an Alien fan they are, know this is taking place in the same universe, and I think most know it takes place chronilogically *before* Alien - so it cannot have too modern a look, otherwise it'll ruin the effect he's going for. Even my mom, who's only a casual SF fan, is looking forward to Prometheus.
April 17, 2012, 9:50 a.m. CST
Absolutely mesmerizing!
by mrplowking
This could be the movie of the year. Finally, a real honest to god Alien film since 1986. It blows my mind!
April 17, 2012, 9:50 a.m. CST
So in the upcoming Alien movies,
by KilliK
the next robot is going to be called Eve and the next after that one,will be called Friday.
April 17, 2012, 9:52 a.m. CST
I like the little subtle delay before he talks, like's he's calculating a response
by Domi'sInnerChild
It's going to be really creepy when the smoke monster takes over him.
April 17, 2012, 9:53 a.m. CST
Scott's son
by MrDexter
Is directing them
April 17, 2012, 9:54 a.m. CST
does anyone know if ridleysson directed this as well,he did the TED one with guy pierce and i was just curious,he has a bright future ahead of him..
by TheAwareness
April 17, 2012, 9:54 a.m. CST
ugh..ridley scotts son
by TheAwareness
April 17, 2012, 9:54 a.m. CST
It's only a matter of time before Apple hits with its own "David."
by Robert Evans
April 17, 2012, 9:54 a.m. CST
8th Generation. Copyright 2078.
by Royston Lodge
Does that mean he's two generations better than the replicants from Blade Runner? ;-)
April 17, 2012, 9:54 a.m. CST
when he says " emotional "
by Richard
Not sure why but when he says it at the end, with that expression its like he's dropping a hint. I'm probably looking into that too much but that was my first impression. It also scared me a little.
April 17, 2012, 9:57 a.m. CST
Retro vs. Nuevo
by Jaster Mareel
Remember that the Nostromo was a space semi-truck rig. So they're going to have purely functional, but dirty and outdated materials. The technology in Prometheus can be more =shiny= because of that fact, though not more advanced because we can assume it takes place several decades if not a century before the events of Alien.
April 17, 2012, 9:59 a.m. CST
=I like the little subtle delay before he talks, like's he's calculating a response=
by KilliK
it lags.
April 17, 2012, 10:01 a.m. CST
David's synthetic DNA combines with the Space Jockey's to produce the bio-mechanical 'Alien'. Film at 11.
by UltraTron
April 17, 2012, 10:01 a.m. CST
I think things will realy hit the shitter when he starts to become human because od the bioformer stuff, out of all the performances this summer,i want to see his the most,he might steal the movie.ive always wanted to do a film centered around that concep
by TheAwareness
April 17, 2012, 10:02 a.m. CST
Or why foreshadow the robot so much in a movie that looks like it's an alien movie?
by UltraTron
April 17, 2012, 10:03 a.m. CST
The Prometheus might be a newer model than the Nostromo.
by Royston Lodge
It's possible that The Prometheus is a newer, faster model than the Nostromo. Even though the Nostromo was launched first, it's possible that the Prometheus is so much faster that it arrives at the destination first. That also makes it possible that David is a newer model than Ash. It's also possible that the Nostromo was a Yutani ship before the companies merged, and that's why everything looks different.
April 17, 2012, 10:03 a.m. CST
I'm tellin ya he is gonna combine with this alien shit in ways we can't predict
by UltraTron
April 17, 2012, 10:03 a.m. CST
It's gonna be up with crazy
by UltraTron
April 17, 2012, 10:04 a.m. CST
by foree forehead
yeah you nailed it for me, he looks a very good performer but the flower-sniffing head rotation is humanoid 101 from seemingly every other androidy movie. forced somewhat, i didn't get the sense of a robot trying to be human, i got the sense of a human trying to be a robot. hmm, is that the same thing maybe?? regardless it won't put me off seeing the movie.
April 17, 2012, 10:04 a.m. CST
@mrdexter thanks he's definatly one to watch,he,s surrounded by the best ofcourse but i hope he,s got something to worth contribute to film,il keep my eye out for him
by TheAwareness
April 17, 2012, 10:05 a.m. CST
worthy..ill stop spaming now
by TheAwareness
April 17, 2012, 10:07 a.m. CST
yeah and that drips kubrick's 2001..
by foree forehead
..all over the fucking place
April 17, 2012, 10:08 a.m. CST
I'll say it again since it seems to be what they are advertising.
by UltraTron
David will become the bio-mechanical alien we all know and love. His synthetic DNA is probably polarized silicon like the alien's. The space jockey shit combines with him in unpredictable ways and we get aliens.
April 17, 2012, 10:09 a.m. CST
This movie should feature a shuttle called the Bowman.
by Royston Lodge
Heh heh heh...
April 17, 2012, 10:11 a.m. CST
Fucking awesome
by jimmy_009
This is what Sci-Fi is supposed to be. So good.
April 17, 2012, 10:11 a.m. CST
Ultratron: I disagree. My reason for disagreeing includes a SPOILER, so fair warning.
by Royston Lodge
I agree that we're gonna see fantastically crazy new creatures develop, but I don't think it's gonna include the xenomorph, because it's already been confirmed that the planet in Prometheus isn't LV-426.
April 17, 2012, 10:11 a.m. CST
excellent point royston
by foree forehead
never thought of that. nostromo could be trudging along in deep space while more advancements are being made to make faster ships. that would be cool and would explain the hi-tech design of prometheus (better than that "it's a science vessel, it should look more advanced" bollocks)
April 17, 2012, 10:14 a.m. CST
thanks for eating my post moderator..u doing a bang up job..hell, how do i get ur job?,u certainly wont have it long at the rate your going
by TheAwareness
April 17, 2012, 10:15 a.m. CST
I think my boner from this may just last until June...
by ATARI
April 17, 2012, 10:15 a.m. CST
Well it's good to know David isn't a Hyperdyne Systems 1282 model
by photoboy
Those fuckers were twitchy and didn't have any behavioural inhibitors.
April 17, 2012, 10:18 a.m. CST
Is there an HD download somewhere? I want to watch this on my projector..
by Simpsonian
I wonder how much of this is in the film. It's too good to be just a viral isn't it?
April 17, 2012, 10:18 a.m. CST
creepiest part - the little "W" stamp on his 'skin'
by smudgewhat
perhaps b/c it suggests a few different things - like humanity being overrun by corporate interests. like they've literally stamped us like cattle (even though he's a robot, it's still a human actor playing the character). and yes, there's a bit of a HAL thing going on. which i have no problem with.
April 17, 2012, 10:18 a.m. CST
Spok approves of this video...
by F This
April 17, 2012, 10:19 a.m. CST
Also, the Nostromo wasn't built for a single mission.
by Royston Lodge
It was a working ship that been out on mining missions all over the place. The mission to LV-426 was a deviation from its designated course. As such, we really have no idea how long it's been working out in space. The Nostromo could be much older than the Prometheus, which seems to have been purpose-built for this one mission. The only problem with this theory is that David seems so much more "robotic" than Ash did. If David is a newer model, you'd think he would be much more naturalistic. Maybe David is less "robotic" in the actual movie.
April 17, 2012, 10:20 a.m. CST
Without the behavior inhibitors all those models ended up just mindlessly typing on movie websites.
by UltraTron
They never figured out why.
April 17, 2012, 10:21 a.m. CST
And humping the feet of anyone who walked in the room
by UltraTron
April 17, 2012, 10:21 a.m. CST
simpsonian: Take the YouTube link, but change it to pwnyoutube.com
by Royston Lodge
Like this: www.pwnyoutube.com/watch?v=DOOJl5lWNfM From there you can download a 1080p copy of the video.
April 17, 2012, 10:22 a.m. CST
Reminds me of Apple...
by Animorganimate
...consumers. You thought I was going to say Apple products or marketing, right? Nope. Anyone who buys Apple products are creepy, fucking robots without emotions or unprogrammed thoughts.
April 17, 2012, 10:25 a.m. CST
Fassbender is this generation's Lawrence Olivier
by AlienFanatic
I really think the guy has insane range and a remarkable ability to capture the audience's interest. He will be at the forefront of acting for decades. I'd be very surprised if he doesn't start collecting Oscars with both hands in the next few years as directors flock to use him in virtually every project. Absolutely insane actor, imo, and I'm the kind of guy that can't stand most of today's actors.
April 17, 2012, 10:26 a.m. CST
@royston lodge please..confermthis if u can,will we see a whatc hachted from the space jockys corpse? givin who big those guys there xenomoprh spawn counterparts would have to be HUGE.
by TheAwareness
there Have been rumors of this for of a year about the possibility of this,and im dieing to know if its true,i think it could look amazing , if its bunk i just want to know so can reset my expectations a bit
April 17, 2012, 10:27 a.m. CST
He reminds me of a white Obama, especially with that phony tear.
by BurnHollywood
April 17, 2012, 10:29 a.m. CST
animorganimate: Hey, I resemble that remark!
by Royston Lodge
I have a Mac Mini hooked up to my flatscreen tv because it's compact size makes it a great addition to my home entertainment centre. I surf the web and check email from the couch, play all sorts of emulated games, and I got rid of cable cuz I can watch everything via iTunes. True, there are compact computers from other manufacturers, but I despise Windows, and Linux doesn't play well with iTunes. I'm in Canada, so I can't get VoD through Netflix or Amazon. iTunes is pretty much the only game in town up here.
April 17, 2012, 10:30 a.m. CST
theawareness: I've read nothing about that rumour. Sorry.
by Royston Lodge
April 17, 2012, 10:31 a.m. CST
@royston lodge: Please..conferm this if you can,will we see what hatched from the xenomoprh corpse in alien?givin how big those guys were,their xenomorph spawn counterparts would have to be HUGE.
by TheAwareness
a simple yea or nay would suffice.your input would be greatly appreciated .
April 17, 2012, 10:32 a.m. CST
royston lodge
by elsewhere
For a newer generation, David sure seems like a step backward from a Replicant. Maybe that's the point? ...or Blade Runner and Alien aren't in the same universe. :-(
April 17, 2012, 10:33 a.m. CST
I understand human emotion but cant feel them..
by LowDevil
Ash was pretty emotional. Wonder how David manifests his understanding of emotion.
April 17, 2012, 10:33 a.m. CST
elsewhere: I was joking. I don't believe they're in the same universe.
by Royston Lodge
April 17, 2012, 10:33 a.m. CST
@Royston lodge:Thank you for being cool
by TheAwareness
April 17, 2012, 10:34 a.m. CST
Ash has to be a later model.
by Robert Evans
It appears that Weyland Co. was making nothing but Davids in the beginning, and then branched out once they got to the finest point of calibration. Look, it's no big deal that the Prometheus is *newer looking* than the Nostromo. It was a pet project of Weyland's from early on, according to the company timeline, and given that Vickers is apparently a big player in the company (and don't forget those brief images we see of an old man in a wheelchair on the Prometheus), it makes perfect sense that this crew would be flying around in a sleek machine. The Nostromo was made for grungier, more practical purposes, and it's likely been beat up and used for a while. And, yeah, it could be an older model than Prometheus, but there's no indication that Ash is anything but a later model of android from the company.
April 17, 2012, 10:34 a.m. CST
theawareness: Gee whiz, man, have a little patience.
by Royston Lodge
Robots can only type so fast. Uh oh, I've said too much...
April 17, 2012, 10:39 a.m. CST
ok borisdoris, spill it
by smudgewhat
i see david talking about how he thinks about robots, then i see his diagram. first thing i think of is that he's interested in proliferating himself. what would a robot construct want to do more than to create more robots, more life? yes?
April 17, 2012, 10:42 a.m. CST
choppah: You're probably right about Ash.
by Royston Lodge
He coulda joined the Nostromo at a later date during a crew change. There's no reason that Ash has been with the Nostromo ever since it was first launched. The reason I WANT David to be a newer model, is because if David shares the same programming faults as Ash, why didn't they fix those problems BEFORE designing Ash? Why did they wait until the Bishop design to fix those faults? I suppose it's possible that the company doesn't become aware of the fault in David, and the fault only becomes know to the designers with the Ash model. It's also possible that the company, being evil, is aware of the fault but manufactures the model anyway. It's also possible that David doesn't share the same design flaw as Ash, and that the design flaw is specific to the Ash model. Maybe a different fault is identified in David, and as part of the fix for THAT fault a NEW fault is created in Ash. Or maybe they're made by different companies. I guess there really are all sorts of possible explanations.
April 17, 2012, 10:45 a.m. CST
@ royston, i think the reason why Ash or David can go 'wrong' is not b/c of a 'design flaw' but b/c
by smudgewhat
we don't really know what the agenda of an artificial life form would be once we have created it. that's the whole dilemma. you can write all the code you want to 'control' an artificial life form, but what happens when the life form evolves and becomes much smarter than it's creator? at that point, all bets are off. this is where i hope Ridley is going. we humans think we've got all the answers and controls in place but A.I. (which is coming down the pipe pretty fast for real) will be unpredictable and therein lies both the great potential and great danger.
April 17, 2012, 10:46 a.m. CST
@royston lodge: lol..i need to proof read more im a great writer when i can take my time,i like to keep up and it ruins everything..it doesnt help that im also carring on another convo on another sight,talking my way into pepper jacking some thick women
by TheAwareness
April 17, 2012, 10:49 a.m. CST
Yeah, borisdoris, I don't get the significance of the drawing either.
by Royston Lodge
The drawing appears to be a design for a model city. It doesn't look like the design of the colony from Aliens, as there's no giant power station. What significance do you see in David drawing a city?
April 17, 2012, 10:50 a.m. CST
uge..some thick womans cheese, wish me luck(thanks again moderator, i guess i earned your contemp lol
by TheAwareness
April 17, 2012, 10:51 a.m. CST
Including the Rorschach drawings is a brilliant brain-fuck.
by Royston Lodge
How many geeks are going to drive themselves mad trying to interpret hidden meaning from those pictures? SLIDE ROR 77 - Children Playing SLIDE ROR 76 - Angel SLIDE ROR 75 - The Universe SLIDE ROR 78 - Robot I betcha dollars to doughnuts there's no hidden meaning. They're simply intended to fuck with us.
April 17, 2012, 10:54 a.m. CST
Fucks sake..Enough with the Nostromo/Prometheus comparisons...
by conspiracy
Have you ever toured a modern Destroyer? Sleek, Organized, Surgically clean, efficient. Have you ever been on an Container Frieghter? Cramped, often dangerously disorganized, not always the cleanest vessels. YOu can't compare a Freighter to a cutting edge no expense spared Warship..or science vessel.
April 17, 2012, 10:54 a.m. CST
smudgewhat: My counter-argument for that is Bishop.
by Royston Lodge
In Aliens, Bishop says that the design flaw has been repaired, and he doesn't end up going crazy. I suppose it's POSSIBLE that Bishop is simply a good person, and Ash was simply an asshole.
April 17, 2012, 10:56 a.m. CST
Brother conspiracy!
by Robert Evans
April 17, 2012, 11 a.m. CST
@Royston lodge:lol its a subliminal post hypnotic psychological trigger for us to make sure opening weekend go's off without a hitch.
by TheAwareness
April 17, 2012, 11:01 a.m. CST
it's just silly
by foree forehead
mother ran on what looked like a green-screen ibm mainframe (with keyboard buttons!). just absurd that "in the same universe" the prometheus, even if a highly-specialized prototype/one-off, would be so ridiculously advanced looking. if, indeed, it's a much older ship. takes me out of the universe before i've even watched the movie. so yeah, enough with that basic flaw already.
April 17, 2012, 11:03 a.m. CST
So Iron Man 3 will have Chinese backing and "add Chinese elements and a Chinese story into Iron Man 3"
by Can
erm...Mandarin?! Ben Kingsley! "We know Chinese audiences love Iron Man. So we are going to add Chinese elements and a Chinese story into Iron Man 3," Disney's general manager for Greater China, Stanley Cheung, said. http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/entertainment-arts-17734655
April 17, 2012, 11:05 a.m. CST
conspiracy: Yabbut, speculation about their launch dates adds to the story.
by Royston Lodge
Speculating about the Nostromo's launch date adds some fun speculation about the mystery elements to the story. Like, while Nostromo is out in deep space, how much information does it get back from Earth about current events? Does the Nostromo crew know about the Prometheus mission? Just how much information does the public have about the Prometheus mission? Does the Prometheus have a MOTHER-style computer on board? What are the circumstances leading to the Weyland/Yutani merger? Hostile takeover or mutual alliance? The idea that the Nostromo may have launched first really plays with concepts of technological and psychological difficulties of deep space exploration. It adds to the brain fuck that Ridley might be giving us.
April 17, 2012, 11:12 a.m. CST
people need to get over the tech differences between Nostromos & Prometheus
by smudgewhat
the first movie was made decades ago with the available tech and thinking of the time. you can't go back and fix the inconsistencies unless you pull a George Lucas bastardization of the original film. so fuck that shit.
April 17, 2012, 11:17 a.m. CST
ehh no smudgewhat
by foree forehead
but you could make the "older" ship in the new movie look, you know, a bit older.
April 17, 2012, 11:17 a.m. CST
Get them to the shops in time for Christmas
by Grace_Panda
April 17, 2012, 11:18 a.m. CST
Thor Vs Iron Man..
by Karl Childers
...scene is online at Comingsoon. I'll be coming soon.
April 17, 2012, 11:28 a.m. CST
foree: The "age" of the vessel is highly relative.
by Royston Lodge
Because we're dealing with such vast distances and such long time-scales, the "age" of the vessels isn't necessarily related to the date they were launched. The Prometheus, presumably, was purpose-built for this one mission. It's brand-new when it meets up with the Space Jockey on this planet. Also, it looks like a small research vessel. Comparable to the sort of small ship that Bill Paxton uses at the beginning of Titanic. Even if the Nostromo was launched after the Prometheus, we don't know how long it's been out in space. It may have been out there for decades, or even more than a century. We know that 57 years goes by between Alien and Aliens, but we do not know how many years pass between Prometheus and Alien. That would give the Nostromo PLENTY of time to get banged up and grimy. The Prometheus might be destroyed before it has a CHANCE to get old. Also, if the Nostromo is designed to last a long time in hostile work environments, it's gonna be uglier. If the Prometheus is like the small research vessel from Titanic, the Nostromo is like a deep-sea oil drilling platform. And to those who say we shouldn't be worrying about this shit, I say that speculating about this sort of shit is a HUGE part of what makes good sci-fi movies so goddamned interesting!
April 17, 2012, 11:30 a.m. CST
royston lodge...I can see the Time/Distance thing being a factor...
by conspiracy
but it does get silly when people nitpick about the "New" ship being cleaner and more Tech-y than Nostromo.
April 17, 2012, 11:35 a.m. CST
agree royston
by foree forehead
the speculation it's fun to me, don't understand why others get bent. like i said, your comment about the nostromo being launched first and prometheus later would be my favorite solution. nostromo out there tooling around without refit also good. much better than the frigate vs. super-science sub argument
April 17, 2012, 11:35 a.m. CST
fully functional and programmed in multiple techniques
by Anthony Torchia
We need a David vs. Data smackdown Well I need one anyway, dunno what you need Great, creepy video
April 17, 2012, 11:37 a.m. CST
Watched it again....; todays so called "Hot" Writers/Directors should be forced to watch these...
by conspiracy
Sir Ridley is taking them to fucking school a few minutes at a time.
April 17, 2012, 11:38 a.m. CST
Royston, ALIEN takes place in 2122, and according to the Weyland timeline ...
by Robert Evans
... Project Prometheus is under way in 2073.
April 17, 2012, 11:39 a.m. CST
I don't think they're being silly. I just think they aren't thinking it through...
by Royston Lodge
... and that gives me an opportunity to throw in my own genius speculative two cents! As such, I welcome silly nitpicking. Without it, these talkbacks would only be five comments long.
April 17, 2012, 11:40 a.m. CST
Ash was not with Nostromo at launch. He was only assigned two days before its last voyage from Thedus, when the human science officer was replaced by Weyland-Yutani.
by reflecto
Nostromo had likely been running for many years with crews other than Dallas'. I daresay the vessel might have pre-dated Project: Prometheus, which is a good 30-odd years prior to Alien. But Ash was a last minute addition to the crew to enact Special Order 937, and he was covert. None of them knew he was synthetic. Contrast that to 57 years later, in Aliens - Bishop's place on the Sulaco was "standard procedure". At the time of Alien, one can easily conclude, synthetics had not been quite so prevalent in every aspect of our interstellar workforce - at least, not commercial mining.
April 17, 2012, 11:43 a.m. CST
Nor did Ash actually "go wrong" - he was programmed for a specific lethal purpose. "Bring back life form, all other priorities rescinded. Crew expendable." Claiming Ash malfunctioned was just a Company line.
by reflecto
He had certainly developed his kind of psychosexual dementia by the end, as any being could - but his murderous drive came from his programming.
April 17, 2012, 11:44 a.m. CST
conspiracy....... dude, you were reading my mind re: the ship designs
by Astronut
People gotta have somethin' to bitch about. Me, I'm thrilled beyond words that we are finally getting a NEW. FREAKING. ORIGINAL. SCI-FI. FILM. And it gets even BETTER!!! It is set in the ALIEN UNIVERSE. And it GETS EVEN BETTER STILL!!! IT'S BY RIDLEY SCOTT!!!!!!!!!!! Some people are thankless morons.
April 17, 2012, 11:45 a.m. CST
choppah: Thanks. I didn't know we had a date for Alien.
by Royston Lodge
That's also sorta helps us roughly figure out the distances involved, if we assume the ships don't go much faster than the speed of light.
April 17, 2012, 11:45 a.m. CST
here's my problem with Nostromous tech vs. Prometheus
by smudgewhat
To me, that's the LEAST interesting thing about a movie like this. The ramifications of what artificial intelligence is going to mean for real life humanity is way more interesting to me. I mean you can certainly talk about whatever you like but I'd much rather here more speculation about the David character and what his motives might be. That's just me.
April 17, 2012, 11:47 a.m. CST
reflecto FTW.
by Royston Lodge
I bow to your superior knowledge. ;-)
April 17, 2012, 11:48 a.m. CST
not just david's motives. but of course the motives of those who built him
by smudgewhat
April 17, 2012, 11:56 a.m. CST
The clue to David is that he's named after the son Peter Weyland always wanted.
by Robert Evans
I will bet good money that David is made with some of Weyland's genetic material, and that his confidential directive will be tied to the fact that he's programmed to see Weyland as his god/father figure.
April 17, 2012, 11:57 a.m. CST
smudgewhat: Fair enough, but we don't really have much information about David.
by Royston Lodge
We can figure out rough guesses about ships' ages and distances and timelines from the information we have so far. It's not nearly as easy to guess much about character motivations without more information than what we have in these virals. I've watched the David video in 1080p several times. Here's what I get from it: - David is programmed to perform tasks humans might find unethical. - David is programmed to lie. He SAYS that "war, pain, suffering" make him "sad", and he even sheds a tear, but then he admits that he cannot FEEL the emotion of sadness. Therefore, he's lying when he says suffering makes him sad. - David is designed to infiltrate a human workforce undetected. He's designed to spy on the plebs. Personally, I preferred it when I thought Ash was merely malfunctioning. I think the idea that David is DESIGNED to be "ethically-questionable" takes something away from the story.
April 17, 2012, 11:57 a.m. CST
The Weyland timeline is rich with *between the lines* info.
by Robert Evans
There's mention of a Peter Weyland Memorial something or other, but no mention of Weyland's death, even though his birth and many achievements are mentioned.
April 17, 2012, 12:01 p.m. CST
i wonder if ridley has read much of ray kurzweil's stuff about forthcoming A.I.
by smudgewhat
Kurzweil is trying to live long enough to become 'immortal.' He believes that once we can reverse engineer the human brain (via nanotech) then we can create a working digital copy. and once you are at that stage, then you can 'copy' an analog human's brain and save it in the digital realm, thereby preserving the original intelligence of the human. so that future A.I. shares 'human values and experience.' Kurzweil strikes me as a fairly benign figure, but i can see a Weyland come along whose intent would be something more grandiose, or possibly sinister in the quest to avoid death.
April 17, 2012, 12:04 p.m. CST
choppah, i like where you're going with that
by smudgewhat
where did you read that David was supposed to be Weyland's son's name? i don't know that i've heard that before. i do think there's a possibility that david shares genetic material with his creator. so that the creator really thinks of it as an extension of himself. another stab at immortality perhaps.
April 17, 2012, 12:04 p.m. CST
When they reboot Batman.......
by KongMonkey
This guy should be cast as the Joker. Gotta creepy fucking smile to 'em, always deviant looking. Should be able to pull off that sociopathic madness the clown prince of crime is renown for. Come to think of it, what whould a Ridly Scott Batman film be like?
April 17, 2012, 12:04 p.m. CST
The Davids are public knowledge. The public knows their face. They're mass-produced, there would be no hiding them. Later models like Ash, however, are possible for infiltration.
by reflecto
April 17, 2012, 12:08 p.m. CST
re: whether david can feel emotion
by smudgewhat
this was also one of the fascinating key Galactica concepts. whether an artificial lifeform that is self-aware is capable of actual emotion or not. i tend to believe that when actual A.I. comes into existence that A.I. lifeforms will eventually claim to have feelings. even if the first feeling is the fear of being turned off and dismantled. from there, what other 'feelings' might evolve unexpectedly from all that intelligence? possibly a desire to emulate its own creators and create more life. or to seek new knowledge in order to continue to evolve. would the 'desire' of an A.I. to evolve override any directives or responsibilities it might feel to protect its creators, or could an A.I. become selfish?
April 17, 2012, 12:08 p.m. CST
reflecto: The David model's face would be easily changed.
by Royston Lodge
They don't need a whole new model generation just to change the thing's face.
April 17, 2012, 12:08 p.m. CST
Royston, that link is awesome, thanks so much
by Simpsonian
I thought for sure it was going to be a porn site or rickroll or something. never heard of it before. thanks!!
April 17, 2012, 12:09 p.m. CST
I'm gonna have to rewatch Aliens tonight. Bishop says the name of Ash's model.
by Royston Lodge
I'm curious how Ash's model name compares to David's.
April 17, 2012, 12:10 p.m. CST
simpsonian: I exist only to serve my human creators.
by Royston Lodge
April 17, 2012, 12:13 p.m. CST
smudgewhat: the Weyland Corporate timeline has that little nugget about David.
by Robert Evans
April 17, 2012, 12:14 p.m. CST
The Ash model Bishop cites was, I believe, an "L-2." Hyperdyne Systems. I can buy that Ash's psych makeup glitched, sure, but his purpose was always, at core, lethal to the crew. He was tasked to bring back the alien alive at the expense of theirs.
by reflecto
What Bishop tells Ripley - from an uninformed position on his part - was an innocent assumption, but also the obvious Company line. Bishop knows nothing of Ash's Special Order.
April 17, 2012, 12:14 p.m. CST
Guy Pearce and Michael Fassbender DO have similar facial structures.
by Robert Evans
It would be plausible if they played *relatives.*
April 17, 2012, 12:14 p.m. CST
by Blue_Demon
Good call about Fassbender being a new Olivier. He certainly has that vibe about him. Man...I cannot WAIT!!
April 17, 2012, 12:14 p.m. CST
Tonio loves my cock dosnt he,he cant stop jumping on it. oh well,i guess im doing something right. Now continue to wallow in shame and obscurity after that "legend of zorro",crazy in alabama,Ecks vs server shit
by TheAwareness
April 17, 2012, 12:15 p.m. CST
About the ships tech:
by Ron Batchelor
Why couldn't it simply be that the Nostromo is an older ship than the Prometheus thats still in service 50 years later. It doesn't have to get into the speed of the ships at all to explain Prometheus getting there first. Nostromo simply wasn't on the same mission (as in Alien) when Prometheus was launched.
April 17, 2012, 12:16 p.m. CST
My theory
by nikem3
Blue looking man in the beginning of the trailer is on a distinct planet, gets a virus, tries to send out a warning, Virus mutates eventually evolves into xenomorphs ( big things have small beginnings) sits in chair thing(he is space jockey, the thing he is sitting in is sort of like the greek mythology of prometheus, he is strapped to a rock while an eagle.. well in this case a xenomorph eats through his stomach) Virus mutates eventually evolves into xenomorphs ( big things have small beginnings) We end up going there and learning its not an invitation. Idk thats what I got so far, just an idea, not sure how dumb or smart is sounds but i tried.
April 17, 2012, 12:17 p.m. CST
Bishop is made by Hyperdine. Weyland-Yutani could simply be outsourcing at that point.
by Robert Evans
April 17, 2012, 12:20 p.m. CST
can't remember the last time I was looking forward to a movie this much
by Jaster Mareel
Batman Begins and The Dark Knight come close. Oh I know, The Phantom Menace! I remember thinking that I wanted to see that movie so badly that I was afraid I would get hit by a truck or something the day before it hit theaters.
April 17, 2012, 12:23 p.m. CST
reflecto: You have persuaded me about Ash.
by Royston Lodge
I surrender. According to Ash's Wikipedia entry, "it is later discovered that Ash is not human at all, as he appears, but is in fact a Hyperdyne Systems 120-A/2." http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ash_(Alien) So, unless Hyperdyne is a Weyland subsidiary, Ash is made by a different company, and he isn't really a later version of the David android. Maybe there's a law passed between Alien and Aliens that outlaws covert androids, or maybe the company was acting illegally by placing a covert android on board the Nostromo. Maybe Bishop is loyal to the crew instead of being loyal to the company because the Sulaco is a military vessel instead of a company ship, so Bishop's programming is controlled by the military, not by Weyland-Yutani. That might be why they have to send Paul Reiser's character along to supervise the mission.
April 17, 2012, 12:25 p.m. CST
The Nostromo vs. Prometheus argument
by Jaster Mareel
I have to think that is crap because for one thing, the Nostromo is on its way BACK to Earth when it stops at LV-426. It has been doing a long space haul tour. I'm assumign they've been out at least a year, maybe 2. Of course since they've been in cryosleep it could have been longer. In any event it doesn't make sense that it would take them 50 fricken' years to go to LV-426 and if they did, what is the liklihood that whatever they're hauling would even be relevant let alone remembered by anyone?
April 17, 2012, 12:27 p.m. CST
We don't KNOW that David is mass-produced. He might be a prototype.
by Royston Lodge
The video might be a promotional video (like the ones Honda makes for Asimo) for technology that's not yet on sale, rather than a commercial for a product one can actually buy.
April 17, 2012, 12:30 p.m. CST
Nostromo was a Weyland operation, Prometheus and the secrets of the Zeta II Reticuli system were a Weyland concern. It's very possible Ash was made by a Weyland subsidiary.
by reflecto
It has, after all, been thirtysomething years between Prometheus and Alien. I don't believe Ash is a later model of David, per se, but I'm sure David was the pioneering progenitor of many other synthetic humans including Ash and Bishop. Ash was more immediately and believably human than the Davids we have seen thus far - David 8's affect is very mannered by comparison. Ash was able to pass among humans, and fool the audience until the third act of Alien. Bishop could have done the same. The implication given both in Cameron's background work on Aliens and in the Prometheus timeline/viral materials is that the "Colonial Marines" of Aliens sprung out of the huge mega-conglomerates colonizing outward into the galaxy and needing a peacekeeping force that was born out of the melded military-industrial complex. Hence, yes, the Marines we got to know were policing colonies and worlds under the purview of companies like Weyland-Yutani. The Bishop we know and love was a benign model because he was stationed on Sulaco to assist the Colonial Marine outfit aboard with their operations. He was never programmed for any kind of malevolent, life-threatening behaviors.
April 17, 2012, 12:31 p.m. CST
wrath_of_fett: They're a mining ship, so they're probably hauling ore.
by Royston Lodge
Presumably, they're hauling a metric SHITLOAD of ore, to make it economically worthwhile. No matter how much technology advances while they're away, the Earth will still need ore. Gotta build spaceships and robots outta SOMETHING, right? Heck, maybe they're hauling Unobtanium from Pandora! ;-)
April 17, 2012, 12:31 p.m. CST
Shouldn't his tears have been white?
by topaz4206
Or is it just their blood that's white?
April 17, 2012, 12:31 p.m. CST
royston, I believe the Weyland corporate timeline(which is presented as publicly available) indicates the Davids were being mass-produced.
by reflecto
April 17, 2012, 12:33 p.m. CST
Yeah, Hyperdine could well be a *hidden* subsidiary of the big Company.
by Robert Evans
A way to hide their more covert creations.
April 17, 2012, 12:34 p.m. CST
The tears' only function is to fool humans into believing he feels emotions.
by Royston Lodge
Presumably, they don't actually serve a functional purpose, like lubricating his eyeballs. As such, they'll be designed to resemble human tears as closely as possible. I bet they taste like Gatorade.
April 17, 2012, 12:35 p.m. CST
What you need to wonder is what would a ridley scott "The Dark Knight Returns" be like...
by TheAwareness
Fastbender would destroy as OLD Joker.Can you even imagine him doing that death scene when batman breaks his neck in three places?
April 17, 2012, 12:37 p.m. CST
I could swear I remember reading somewhere that Nostromo was out on its current tour for about two years. Ripley had a young daughter, Amanda, whom she promised she'd be home for her eighth? birthday.
by reflecto
April 17, 2012, 12:37 p.m. CST
Shit, I haven't been to the weyland industries web site in a while.
by Royston Lodge
I didn't realize that they've added so much new stuff. Anybody have the "secret access code"?
April 17, 2012, 12:37 p.m. CST
Powered by Verizon... ROFL!!!!
by gotilk
No but seriously, this was over-the-top creepy. In a good way. The tears at first made me feel slightly sad, then they creeped me the hell out. Yeah, even still.... I cannot wait until this kind of thing becomes a reality. Because when I turn 93, I want to move into one of those and live a few centuries longer to see where it all goes from there. Not forever... no. I've changed my mind on that desire. Just a few centuries will be fine. And if I change my mind, I can always shut down for a few centuries, back myself up and see what happens even later on. Wake up and meet some aliens. Or a few alien-human hybrids. Some alien-human-android hybrids. Perhaps a few insectoid-android-alien-human or even insectiod-android-alien NON human hybrids. *sigh* The real future is dinky.
April 17, 2012, 12:39 p.m. CST
Nobody in their right mind wants to live forever.
by Royston Lodge
Who would want to survive the heat death of the Universe, floating in an unchanging void for all eternity?
April 17, 2012, 12:45 p.m. CST
I hope David has a 'awesome futuristic ninja skillz' button somewhere, you just know he's gonna go stark raving mad at some point!! Love it!! :O
by cameron
I hope Ridley lets David off the chain and we have a robot v alien smack down!
April 17, 2012, 12:45 p.m. CST
My problem with this...
by adeceasedfan
Is nothing b/c it looks AMAZING!! Awesome viral btw.
April 17, 2012, 12:46 p.m. CST
by foree forehead
ship vs. ship tech pretty uninteresting to me too believe me - just seems a glaringly obvious hole, upon first impressions. ai falls quite far down the list too - the whole search for uncaring alien god thing is more up my alley
April 17, 2012, 12:46 p.m. CST
good point royston
by smudgewhat
unless of course being an immortal inorganic creation allows you to figure out a way how to prevent all the suns in the universe from dying. perhaps once A.I. is subatomic the universe will give up some of its fundamental secrets. or perhaps not. me personally, i don't need to live forever. i like the idea of mortality forcing one to live more deliberately, with greater focus and intention. and making sure you have a lot of fucking fun before it's all over!
April 17, 2012, 12:48 p.m. CST
So David8 has 7 emotions..
by LowDevil
but can also go 'neutral'. That in itself is scary. I also wonder why 1 emotion has been kept from us? Which one? This film isnt only the most anticipated, but is also the most interesting and mysterious and the small elements of horror make it a top must of 2012. Fuck the Avengers
April 17, 2012, 12:49 p.m. CST
fair enough foree. although i think AI and uncaring alien god could be one and same thing
by smudgewhat
who's to say that, much like kubrick's '2001' that aliens seeded this planet for life? but just because they're aliens doesn't mean that they're organic. AI could evolve to a point where the argument between whether they have achieved a god-like status is almost indistinguishable from being god. it's certainly a debatable area, and that definitely interests me.
April 17, 2012, 12:54 p.m. CST
Are we taking it too literally?
by gotilk
When they say *unethical*, there are long lists of activities that are not even remotely nefarious (to most) yet humans still PERFORM in spite of some deeper ethical distaste for such things. Slaughtering? Prostitution? Marketing? Interrogation? Sales? Public Relations? Criminal Defense? Prison Therapist? Human Resources? Social Networking? Fishing/Whaling/Hunting? Reality TV Producer? Crowd Control? Private Security? Political Strategist? Bouncer? Game Show Host? (okay, maybe that one is for a laugh) I'm sure you probably think some of those are intended to be funny or something. I assure you I am dead serious. Rly. I'm not fully convinced he's actually *ethically questionable*. I think he is, instead, a sort of ethical human stand-in, there to do jobs that we would still DO if we didn't have androids to do them FOR US. Do you see where I'm going with that? Nothing yet makes me think that he could not be trusted. Only that he is simply doing things for us that we dislike on some ethical level, that we would STILL DO anyway. That entire list, above... and probably more. But I think my list is sufficient to make my point.
April 17, 2012, 12:55 p.m. CST
Elizabeth Shaw will give birth to Cthulhu.
by Robert Evans
April 17, 2012, 12:56 p.m. CST
royston lodge Yeah, I don't want to be around to see the heat death of the universe.
by gotilk
No friggen way. Reminds me of Down and Out In The Magic Kingdom also... that wording.
April 17, 2012, 12:58 p.m. CST
"angels", the skulls, and potential plot points
by starbuck2907
In the clip above, "Angels" are referenced. Rapace said that she dreamed about "God, the Devil, and black Angels" in a recent interview. here: http://www.prometheusnews.net/movie/prometheus-feature-total-film/ There's going to be some religious or creationism references in the film...can't wait. And what the hell are those skulls behind Fassbender? Here is a bit of speculation about the plot based on some interviews that I've read: I also strongly feel that the plot will involve time travel, with the end of the film taking place in a past historical time, potentially on earth or another planet, but that's just speculation. As I said, I've read some interviews were time is mentioned, although time "travel" in the traditional sci-fi sense is not specifically mentioned.
April 17, 2012, 1:01 p.m. CST
gotlik: I dunno, it's a freakin' weird thing to put in a promotional video.
by Royston Lodge
Our trucks would be really good for running down pedestrians. We know you'd NEVER use one of our trucks for that purpose, but isn't it nice to know you COULD?
April 17, 2012, 1:02 p.m. CST
It's Tentacle Tuesday??
by gotilk
April 17, 2012, 1:02 p.m. CST
David8 up on Twitter
by MasterControlProgram
I just found David8 on Twitter. @David8Weyland FYI -- End of Line --
April 17, 2012, 1:03 p.m. CST
royston lodge
by gotilk
Hahaha! Touche.
April 17, 2012, 1:04 p.m. CST
If you look close at the skulls, they're clearly artificial.
by Royston Lodge
They're android skulls, put into the promo video to impress a prospective buyer with the equipment that's "under the hood". It's also, presumably, a bit of a Giger hat-tip.
April 17, 2012, 1:06 p.m. CST
smudgewhat ai/god
by foree forehead
yea they could intertwine which would be, if done well, very cool. i'm still peeling away layers of 2001 after all these years. probably my favorite movie if i'm pressed to pick one. although again, the murderous borderline sentient computer doesn't do it for me quite the same way dave bowman stepping out into the void does. just fantastic. a small gripe? i guess i hoped prometheus would be a bit more slow-paced and cerebral (for lack of a better word) - perhaps better if i say i would love a movie that ends up asking more questions than it conveniently answers. not a sci-fi thriller because we've already got that. having not seen the movie of course, it's not really fair to have this bias i guess.
April 17, 2012, 1:07 p.m. CST
gotlik: On the other hand, car companies show their cars breaking the speed limit.
by Royston Lodge
But they always have the "closed course, professional driver" disclaimer at the bottom of the screen. The David promo video would be better if there was some fine print at the bottom to define what they mean by "unethical". Please ensure that your use of David complies with all local laws and regulations.
April 17, 2012, 1:12 p.m. CST
screw you guys, id love to live forever..
by TheAwareness
think about all the things in life we never reach to become because of our short life spans..its pretty much a ticket to become anything your mind can conjure,because you have the "time" to figure out how to achieve it, luminous beings are we..id practically learn how to manipulate atoms thru shear force of will.A true self made god,creating a new body for myself in the process that can withstand the riggers of space travel,flight without needing a vessel to travel in, powers ETC.every humans fantasy within your grasp, ..whatever you can dream of.Death and the fear of it, impedes our evolution in so many ways,its a fucking scam i tell ya.
April 17, 2012, 1:14 p.m. CST
I just realized that list I wrote above would make
by gotilk
a hilarious late night ad for a cheap, private trashy college. Begin a new future at: Prometheus University! (Now in Hayward!) Choose from degrees in: Slaughtering? Prostitution? Marketing? Interrogation? Sales? Public Relations? Criminal Defense? Prison Therapist? Human Resources? Social Networking? Fishing/Whaling/Hunting? Reality TV Producer? Crowd Control? Private Security? Political Strategist? Bouncer? Bartender? Courier? Apply online now and begin your journey into the ancient caves of SUCCESS!
April 17, 2012, 1:16 p.m. CST
theawareness: It's only worthwhile if you can break the laws of physics.
by Royston Lodge
The only way it's possibly worthwhile is if you can break the laws of thermodynamics, thereby PREVENTING the heat death of the Universe.
April 17, 2012, 1:17 p.m. CST
by gotilk
I get it. I get it. Just not really convinced there's such a thing as *forever* quite yet. The concept is...... shit.. incomprehensible ..
April 17, 2012, 1:17 p.m. CST
here's another new angle on the 'immortality' subject
by smudgewhat
what if we're in fact already living in a virtual reality? http://www.nytimes.com/2007/08/14/science/14tier.html?pagewanted=all
April 17, 2012, 1:17 p.m. CST
Hey look! It's DATA.
by CimmerianWarrior
April 17, 2012, 1:19 p.m. CST
and if we are in fact living in a virtual reality
by smudgewhat
we might need to 'die' in order for our intelligence to survive the 'game.' as in, you die, then you 'wake up' on the other side in the place or space where the reality was created. or you 'wake up' with your creator saying 'nice job, you did pretty well. ready for a new game? or care perhaps to create your own reality now?'
April 17, 2012, 1:20 p.m. CST
David is already more advanced than Data. David uses contractions.
by Royston Lodge
April 17, 2012, 1:21 p.m. CST
Besides,i feel we already live forever if you consider the fact that our "souls" are undieing(plenty of proof to be had on this thru the ages and staring us right in the face in our everyday lives.. if your not a idiot),our flesh is mearly a shell to ride
by TheAwareness
ask Dan Akyriod,heal tell ya lol
April 17, 2012, 1:22 p.m. CST
by KilliK
April 17, 2012, 1:22 p.m. CST
um... isn't Royston Lodges explanation a given? Or at least
by alexander
I thought that's what we were all supposed to assume or presume since learning about this crew and their mission? To be clear: Nostromo sets of way way before (Ripley has no daughter in Alien right? That's correct isn't it? Experiencing insomnia and anxiety/rage over my tenancy right now, so a little fuzzy perhaps) and Prometheus later, with a state of the art high financed ship. I also thought from the evidence were spose to presume that as Chop points out, David is connected as the 'genesis' model of sorts by being more than an 'adopted' son to Weyland, and if we understand Vickers from the trailer is harbouring some body, well go figure/presume... That's been my impression anyway.
April 17, 2012, 1:22 p.m. CST
smudgewhat: And, if you really think about it, what if I'm actually a bowl of petunias?!
by Royston Lodge
Oh no, not again.
April 17, 2012, 1:23 p.m. CST
smudgewhat google "dmt: the spirit molecule"
by foree forehead
..if you're not already familiar with the subject. fascinating stuff...
April 17, 2012, 1:23 p.m. CST
continued:this phase of our existance in.
by TheAwareness
April 17, 2012, 1:25 p.m. CST
Speaking of the universe,a Theorist Physicist discovered
by KilliK
data error correction algorithms in his Superstring equations.here is a link announcing his discovery: http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_embedded&v=q1LCVknKUJ4 creepy stuff.
April 17, 2012, 1:25 p.m. CST
alan_grant_lives: Nah, it's just a theory.
by Royston Lodge
Another perfectly valid explanation could just be that Alien was made in 1979 and that's what spaceships looked like in 1979.
April 17, 2012, 1:26 p.m. CST
by gotilk
I like that concept. A twist on the idea that *any sufficiently advanced technology is indistinguishable from magic*. Instead... *Any simulation at a high enough resolution is indistinguishable from reality.* Or. IS reality. Because perception is 9/10ths of the law. Oh wait... Something like that. I'm waiting for Virtual Realty. That's where you put on goggles and you *date* strippers, drive a red Mustang, pretend to have plastic hair, get dental implants and wear cheap suits. I've always thought it'd be cool to see my face on a bus stop bench. C'm'ere dream... give me a hug.
April 17, 2012, 1:28 p.m. CST
Doing unethical work = Fucking you with a strap-on in your ass.
by KilliK
David is also a sexbot.but you cant say that in an advertisement.leave it for the costumer to figure it out.
April 17, 2012, 1:30 p.m. CST
-YES...YES...YES -Is my thrust power sufficient for you,sir?
by KilliK
-no dammit,faster and harder.YEEEEES.give it all to daddy,little David.
April 17, 2012, 1:30 p.m. CST
This planet was seeded with life when an alien made a pit stop here to take a shit
by Jaster Mareel
Before you know it, Snooki was born.
April 17, 2012, 1:32 p.m. CST
ahh we were having a nice discussion
by foree forehead
and just look what happened!
April 17, 2012, 1:32 p.m. CST
Nice convo my brothers..im of to watch "memoirs of an inviable man" i loved that movie when i was a kid, i hope its holds up well,untill the next article guys
by TheAwareness
April 17, 2012, 1:32 p.m. CST
@foree, and "DMT"
by smudgewhat
yep yep, interesting stuff. am perusing an article right now. my life experiences have convinced me there is something quite extraordinary about this existence, this reality. i definitely don't feel that death is the end of my intelligence, though i feel there is no definitive 'proof' either in favor of my position or against it. which is kind of beautiful in that the mystery is maintained. or at least until i die. but who knows, maybe that's not even when the veil gets lifted? maybe ya just end up in yet ANOTHER reality whose authenticity can neither be proved or disproved. or maybe god hands you a fantastic cosmic beer and you talk about how he/she/it/they came up with the whole thing.
April 17, 2012, 1:34 p.m. CST
that model was always a bit "twitchy"
by the Green Gargantua
April 17, 2012, 1:34 p.m. CST
and yes, Reflecto is correct I believe
by alexander
April 17, 2012, 1:34 p.m. CST
foree forehead: Yeah, I call it argumentum ad fudgepackum.
by Robert Evans
April 17, 2012, 1:35 p.m. CST
My life experiences have convinced me there's nothing extraordinary about this existence.
by Royston Lodge
You must have had way more interesting life experiences.
April 17, 2012, 1:37 p.m. CST
That was extraordinarily good.
by Lacloake
Just that very slight blink and twitch as he answered questions, like he's spinning through an internal databank of responses to pick out the correct one... Chills....
April 17, 2012, 1:37 p.m. CST
i'm checking out that string theory link kilik posted
by foree forehead
before he started bangin on about that ... other stuff. am readin a book on tarkovsky's "stalker" at the moment and there's a quote attributed to someone in there that goes something like "the remarkable thing about our reality is there's another reality implicit within it." like we can almost grasp the hidden meaning, we are so close..! but no.
April 17, 2012, 1:38 p.m. CST
sorry to hear that royston. yeah, i've seen some crazy crazy stuff
by smudgewhat
i feel like Roy Batty sometimes. actually, i'm writing a book about it! might be finished later this year. not sure if i will actually publish it b/c it sometimes read like straight up madness. but to me it makes perfect sense.
April 17, 2012, 1:39 p.m. CST
=Another perfectly valid explanation could just be that Alien was made in 1979 and that's what spaceships looked like in 1979.=
by KilliK
That's what you dont get most of you clueless fanboys. THE NOSTROMO DESIGN WAS SERVING A SPECIFIC ARTISTIC NEED OF THE MOVIE. What was that artistic need you say? Simple. To turn the Nostromo from a cargo ship into a shadowy,claustrophobic =prison= where the crew is trapped together with the most deadly alien organism in the known galaxy. That's what Ridley was aiming with that art design of the ship,he wanted to create the perfect playground for his alien pet and its unfortunate victims in order to scare the shit out of the movie audience. IF he wanted to make a complete futuristic ship ala 2001,then he would use a complete different ship desing,more modern,more futuristis BUT this is not what the Alien movie was about now,isn't it?
April 17, 2012, 1:40 p.m. CST
@royston lodge: Well,growing up in a haunted house durring your childhood might give you some things to chew on for the rest of your life,it certainly gave me enough...
by TheAwareness
April 17, 2012, 1:40 p.m. CST
yep gotlik
by smudgewhat
i like the way you've expressed it: *Any simulation at a high enough resolution is indistinguishable from reality.*
April 17, 2012, 1:44 p.m. CST
thanks killik. enjoyed that link too. same idea as the new york times article i posted
by smudgewhat
April 17, 2012, 1:46 p.m. CST
Directed by Johnny Hardstaff
by Ivor Heath
according to the RSA website, the Guy Pearce TED talk was directed by Luke Scott. I understand there's more of these character virals to come over the next few weeks, one for the Charlize Theron character, one for Noomi and another possibly Idris Elba.
April 17, 2012, 1:47 p.m. CST
It's worth mentioning as a sidenote that I believe Alien's sound FX dept also pillaged the BBC archives. Many, many of the classic Alien sound FXs on Nostromo can be regularly heard in 70s-80s Doctor Who.
by reflecto
April 17, 2012, 1:48 p.m. CST
I hadn't heard about viral videos for Theron or Idris Elba. Where was that reported? I only know of one coming up for Shaw/Rapace.
by reflecto
April 17, 2012, 1:52 p.m. CST
Why I dislike the "reality as simulation" theory.
by Royston Lodge
It contradicts the "uncanny valley" theory of artificial human likenesses. If it's theoretically possible to create a simulation that is truly indistinguishable from reality, that means it's theoretically possible to bridge the uncanny valley. Not saying it isn't true. Just sayin' I don't like it. The theory of the uncanny valley is strangely comforting, after all.
April 17, 2012, 1:55 p.m. CST
reflecto: I once saw a torrent that claimed to be the entire BBC sound effect archive.
by Royston Lodge
It was many, MANY gigabytes worth of MP3 files, so I didn't bother downloading it. Still curious about it though...
April 17, 2012, 1:59 p.m. CST
If a tree falls in the woods, and the pope isn't wearing his funny hat,
by Robert Evans
will a bear be there to shit on it?
April 17, 2012, 2 p.m. CST
DETENTION may well be a good movie, but ...
by Robert Evans
... I'll never fucking see it because of that goddamn popup ad.
April 17, 2012, 2:01 p.m. CST
by gotilk
That's precisely why I think the pursuit of actual time travel will eventually be completely abandoned. FAR, FAR before we even approach understanding how we would even approach time travel, we will be producing simulations of the past and future so perfect, so accurate and so detailed that actual time travel will be completely pointless. We'll say... *why bother*? I just shot Oswald and I'm heading out to see the Beatles at Shea Stadium tomorrow. Did it change the present? Well, I'll check in a while. And if I prefer that outcome, I'll just live inside that *overlay* for a few years. Or until I find some better outcome. Simulated reality engineering is the wave of...... the now.... then. Or maybe it is already. We're just in the simulation WITHOUT time travelers and aliens.
April 17, 2012, 2:02 p.m. CST
I'm well excited to see Promethius
by D o o d
but their viral movies are not very good!
April 17, 2012, 2:02 p.m. CST
choppah: Does a polar bear shit in the jungle?
by Royston Lodge
April 17, 2012, 2:03 p.m. CST
by gotilk
We should co-write a novel.
April 17, 2012, 2:03 p.m. CST
royston: i do think the uncanny valley will be bridged
by smudgewhat
but actually, i think humans are gonna merge with their tech first. or at the same time. and i believe i've read that they've already discovered the organic materials work even better than synthetic in terms of signal transmission. so the debate over what constitutes life will get more complex as we go. SHIT IS GONNA GET CRAZY real soon. hahahahahaa
April 17, 2012, 2:07 p.m. CST
wish i could take that offer gotlik
by smudgewhat
i'm already going nuts trying to figure out how to finish the book, plus another CD of music (i'm working on my 8th), and then have a 'life' too. i need a clone to help me out with my interests. of course that fucker would probably turn on me and cook up his own interesting shit.
April 17, 2012, 2:11 p.m. CST
I think your underestimating your theory Royston
by alexander
About the reason for the differences in look/tech anyway... The alternative is SPECULATIVE SPOILER this david progenitor for the human race in a time loop lays down the word of God in scripture soes that weyland in the new genesis is a bit less of a hasty basterd along with the rest of humanity leading up to himself, and then Nostonimo becomes... Just a bit ridiculous... Way more than Ridely going Naaa fuck it with the continuity in the Alien Universe, fuck that noise! And so I concur and have since all we've learnt from synopsis/trailers that yours is the most likely exlanation... Unless Ripley is actually supposed to have a daughter in Alien (she's not right?)... What kind of messed up future of humanity is that where your daughter has to go in stasis with urself concurrently or perhaps never see you again? Well that would be one where citing that origional giger jockey drawing Ridley etc loved viral ridden Vickers could end up virally seducing Jockey from his intended purpose on landing and birthing the Queen as fanboys/girls who love Aliens too and desperately want it to be included in this canon love to seculate on. I doubt it. But we'll see. And to be clear: for christsakes - if I end up eating my words fine - but of course Ash is not 'malfunctioning', well not untill they start hitting him very hard and take his head off anyway. Isn't the scene where Ripley investigates Mothers protocol supposed to have always confirmed this? Anyway, I'm getting overstimulated. Can't frickin wait! Well I can, cos the harpy who owns my building of residency jacked my computer and its gonna take a while to be able to afford all the goodness this summer.
April 17, 2012, 2:14 p.m. CST
This guy is fucking perfect for the role!
by HB_Dad
He kind of reminds me of Morena Baccarin's "Anna" on the now cancellled "V" in his character acting.
April 17, 2012, 2:15 p.m. CST
I just wish this was like a 3 to 4 hour movie rather than just shy of 2 hours as it is now.
by HB_Dad
They have a lot to cover and lots of interesting elements I want to have lots of time exploring. Fuck I can't wait for this!
April 17, 2012, 2:17 p.m. CST
Royston Lodge
by Andy
Not sure how the androids and Blade Runner replicants can be in the same universe - internally the androids are full of white gunk, whereas replicants are indistinguishable from humans (hence the need for the Voight-Kampf test)
April 17, 2012, 2:21 p.m. CST
haha mourinho
by foree forehead
one nil bayern. there's a fuckin spoiler for ye
April 17, 2012, 2:21 p.m. CST
alan_grant_lives: Ripley's daughter is from a deleted scene in Aliens.
by Royston Lodge
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ellen_Ripley#Appearances Presumably, space mining must pay REALLY well if a young mother (with the skills necessary to qualify for a mission on an interstellar spaceship) is willing to sign up for a two-year stint.
April 17, 2012, 2:22 p.m. CST
thingymajig: I'm not SAYING they're in the same universe!
by Royston Lodge
It was a freakin' joke!!! Sigh. ;-)
April 17, 2012, 2:24 p.m. CST
One thing's for sure, I'm gonna hafta rewatch Alien and Aliens...
by Royston Lodge
... with a legal pad on my lap so I can take notes.
April 17, 2012, 2:26 p.m. CST
Ridley has said recently he believes Alien and BR take place in essentially the same universe. The timeline doesn't match up on Prometheus/BR but I ignore that.
by reflecto
I also always liked to believe Avatar took place in the same universe as Alien/Aliens, but that's me and my bullshit.
April 17, 2012, 2:28 p.m. CST
It's possible (though not probable) that Ripley's daughter Amanda was also accounted for in the char notes Ridley wrote for his cast in Alien.
by reflecto
The notes have supposedly been reproduced on the Alien Anthology bluray set (which I have), but on there there's also James Cameron's dossiers on the Nostromo from the inquest scene in Aliens - not all of the info matches on each and some of them may have been altered since.
April 17, 2012, 2:30 p.m. CST
new viral footage of the less successful earlier model Michael-6,
by Ivor Heath
he had his own daytime talk show, and a slight tendency to malfunction and attack his guests or members of the audience--- http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1W9PWd268Bg
April 17, 2012, 2:31 p.m. CST
I suppose there's no reason Weyland has to be the only company that makes androids.
by Royston Lodge
Maybe Doctor Tyrell licenses Weyland's patents? I would love to see a bunch of Predators hunting Naavi.
April 17, 2012, 2:37 p.m. CST
I think even now there's a lot of superficial similarities between Tyrell and Weyland and how they view Rachael/David. I think a lot of the focus on David comes out of Ridley's post-BR fascination with replicants. And I like that.
by reflecto
And no, I never believed Weyland was the only company making synthetics. Only the first, perhaps.
April 17, 2012, 2:44 p.m. CST
Too bad they didn't have Roy Batty on board the Nostromo.
by Royston Lodge
He woulda shown that Alien bitch who's boss!
April 17, 2012, 2:44 p.m. CST
I don't trust Milk-Bots
by Atkinson
Ever since one tried to force-feed Ripley a back issue of the Weekly Standard.
April 17, 2012, 2:48 p.m. CST
Does that mean the cat in Alien is a robot?
by Royston Lodge
In Blade Runner, real animals are too expensive.
April 17, 2012, 2:49 p.m. CST
Links to other David viral stuff:
by Robert Evans
http://www.prometheusnews.net/movie/viral-websites-updated/ Stuff was leaked to 8 movie sites. Was AICN one of them? Two are yet to be mentioned on that prometheusnews link. Anyway, all eight emotions have been unlocked.
April 17, 2012, 3 p.m. CST
haha, ehh, heynckes
by foree forehead
April 17, 2012, 3:08 p.m. CST
On the one hand, it's definitely creepy...
by Jon Forbing
On the other, I have to disagree with people saying that it conveys an unsubtle malice or evil. It really doesn't, that's the genius of it. That is EXACTLY the commercial that Apple or Microsoft or Intel would do if they came out with a mass-produced android tomorrow. There's really nothing overtly sinister about it (except the skulls and stuff), it just seems that way because it's fuck-off creepy.
April 17, 2012, 3:13 p.m. CST
Apple's android would come in more colours.
by Royston Lodge
If he was designed by Microsoft, you'd have to simultaneously push buttons on his head, foot, and penis just to turn him on.
April 17, 2012, 3:18 p.m. CST
Also, if this was an Apple ad there would be hipster indie music in the background...
by Royston Lodge
...and David would be shown dancing.
April 17, 2012, 3:23 p.m. CST
what exactly qualifies for hipster/indie these days?
by foree forehead
the black keys? panda bear? ariel pink? serious question
April 17, 2012, 3:25 p.m. CST
Blade Runner and Alien are not the same universe. Oy.
by impossibledreamers
Folks need to get past that. I don't even care what Scott himself would say. Their times lines don't synch up. They just share some common themes of corporate run worlds, the blurring of the definition of humanity, etc.
April 17, 2012, 3:27 p.m. CST
I dunno. I'm not hip.
by Royston Lodge
April 17, 2012, 3:29 p.m. CST
indie then?
by foree forehead
April 17, 2012, 3:30 p.m. CST
Russian Prometheus Trailer here
by Royston Lodge
April 17, 2012, 3:33 p.m. CST
And then, 100s of years later, we got Winona Ryder Robot
by Al
Looks like they're evolving backwards. Of course, I have this weird feeling that David will actually just be a complete fuck up and not very well put together in interacting with humans as opposed to how Bishop / Ash / the Bishop Droid from Alien 3 / Call was.
April 17, 2012, 3:34 p.m. CST
Yes, Bishop in Alien 3 was an android
by Al
I don't care if you can see blood, he's a robot, it makes the Fucking Company Evil-er and my OCD need to make Charles Bishop Weyland fit into continuity must be satisfied. (Peter Weyland is a relative, I guess.)
April 17, 2012, 3:39 p.m. CST
Charles Bishop Weyland and AVP can't fit. It's being ignored. And according to everyone involved with 3, Bishop II (who was stupid and who I ignore) is not a droid.
by reflecto
April 17, 2012, 3:41 p.m. CST
Actually the Terminator,Blade Runner and Alien share the same universe.
by KilliK
April 17, 2012, 3:45 p.m. CST
O.K. I wasn't fully on-board with this until now.
by WINONA_RYDERS_PUSSY_JUICE
Here's hoping the actual film is as intelligent as the viral marketing department.
April 17, 2012, 3:46 p.m. CST
Choppah: You weren't kidding about that Weyland corporate timeline!
by Royston Lodge
1990 - Peter Weyland born. 2030 - Weyland Corp perfects hypersleep. So, he's only 40 years old when they perfect hypersleep. Hmm....
April 17, 2012, 3:47 p.m. CST
I didn
by reflecto
April 17, 2012, 3:47 p.m. CST
I also like the legal fight with Yutani over the David patents.
by Royston Lodge
Proves that Weyland isn't the only company working on androids.
April 17, 2012, 3:47 p.m. CST
I didn't see any new footage in there, the fuck are they talking about?
by reflecto
April 17, 2012, 3:57 p.m. CST
impossibledreamers: You're right, they cannot be the same universe.
by Royston Lodge
The Weyland corporate timeline sez that global warming has been solved. I presume that means that the sort of pollution we see in Blade Runner is also a thing of the past. Yeah, I realize that pollution and global warming are two different things, but it doesn't really make sense that they'd fix one without fixing the other.
April 17, 2012, 4 p.m. CST
All that rain in LA, too, is another good indication that BLADE RUNNER's environment is fucked.
by Robert Evans
April 17, 2012, 4:05 p.m. CST
Foree Forhead and others... Age and look...
by ihatetalkbacks
People banging on about the look and feel being missing. Have you guys not seen the general ship design like a Foss/Cobb ships of the 70s. The chunky vehicles like the truck in the hold. Have a look at the 60s inspired space suites with the large domed glass helments, small back packs and skin tight purple lycra - purple not grey. These are inspired by the era before the 70s when Alien was made, so that it looks like an earlier epoch... the 60s inspired the suites in Prometheus and the 70s made them in Alien. If any one really wants a CRT and punch screens before a modernised but stylistically relevent depiction they are mad. To a modern audience that may well not have seen Alien, that would be anachronistic and make it look like a Terry Gilliam mish mash like Brazil, sci-fantasy not sci-fiction. I am sure that Ron Cobb kicks himslef every night that he did not see hoilographic projection and touch screen technology coming in 1978. If he had he would be a billionaire not a film designer... Also Ash. Ash is put onto the Nostromo at the last minute before it leaves. Ripley and Dallas talk about it. He has never been on the Nostromo before. People warbling on about older models etc are trying to read too much into it or inventing their own material. Also these synthetics will learn, they learn in different ways. They are all unique and all become more life like as they progress. Straight out the packet they would be more robot like. The Weyland logo on the thumb - its an advert. They may well not have it in the film, Ash would not have had the logo. It is called branding (in this case litterally) to say that David is Weyland through and through. Don take everything so literally. Lastly, Prometheus seems to be not embracing Aliens but not rubbishing it. See that they have "Weyland," rather than "Weylan" with no D as in Alien. Ash can still be a Hyperdyne Systems model. Different companys all make different models. What better way to cover your tracks than having a competitors model do the dirty work. Hell maybe even Hyper Dyne did the OS and Weyland the building... there I go hypothesising... :(
April 17, 2012, 4:13 p.m. CST
It's like the origins of replicants - it's fucking brilliant and I can't wait to see how this plays in PROMETHEUS.
by MENTALDOMINANCE
April 17, 2012, 4:13 p.m. CST
Alien / Blade Runner and AvP
by ihatetalkbacks
They are different. They have different timelines and share no shared character locations or plot. The depictions of arteficial people are different. In Blade Runner they are totally biological. In Alien they are mechanical That little Nostromo docking/spinner landing graphic is incidental. It is reused and evidence of nothing before any one says anything. The films have a few thematic similarites and are by the same director, that is all. Even the studio conciders the AvP franchise as non cannon, like the comics or games. They said it ran in parallel, rather than in series. TYhey said this in press when the first film was released
April 17, 2012, 4:14 p.m. CST
Actually he does sound like HAL kind of but also like how Ash sounded when he was decapitated - the weird gurgling sound. It is faintly there! I hope they use the rest of the ALIEN sounds in the film!
by MENTALDOMINANCE
April 17, 2012, 4:15 p.m. CST
CONGRATULATIONS AICN for actually bringing me news I hadn't seen yet anywhere else before this time! 8)
by MENTALDOMINANCE
April 17, 2012, 4:20 p.m. CST
Nobody's mentioned that the Prometheus doesn't seem to require a mother-ship.
by Royston Lodge
The Nostromo and the Sulaco both stayed in orbit and sent landing craft down to the planet. The Prometheus seems to fly all the way from Earth to the surface of the planet. No separate landing craft. That's more than just a question of how advanced the computer screens are.
April 17, 2012, 4:24 p.m. CST
by ihatetalkbacks
Thanks for being a voice of reason here about the BR/Alien links. There is one quote that Ridley Scott said and that I think is taken out of context. He thought thematically they were in the same universe, they had connections in ideas. That the characters were trapped in the same problems and social dynamics and society. Ridley likes to let his imagination run, he has ideas pring out his head. I dont think for one moment that he wanted the films to be seen as directly linked. Certainly now they drift more and more apart. I am sure nerd will mention that the lone graphic will appear to "link" them - the spinner landing and Nostromo decoupling. But this is a laughable link, Scott had access to the graphic and simple reused it. If they are evidence of a link we may as well say that Aliens is linke to Saturn5 as they both have a mechanical grapple that is reused. There are no locations or characters to keep them linked. I am sure some asperger nerds like to have them in the same world as it keeps things simple, contained. Safe - nerds like safe and familiar!
April 17, 2012, 4:27 p.m. CST
by ihatetalkbacks
The Nostrom was the ship you doughnut. It was a tug. The rest was the refinery. No Mother-ship
April 17, 2012, 4:29 p.m. CST
=Even the studio conciders the AvP franchise as non cannon, like the comics or games.=
by KilliK
link or it didnt happen.
April 17, 2012, 4:31 p.m. CST
The Nostromo proper was the smaller craft that disengaged from the refinery platform to go down to LV-426. And the Sulaco sent a standard dropship.
by reflecto
Prometheus is a streamlined exploratory vessel designed specifically for this trip - not a military carrier or a mining refinery.
April 17, 2012, 4:32 p.m. CST
killik is so hell-bent on accepting the AvP movies as canon.
by Robert Evans
I've never seen more passion put into defending awful movies.
April 17, 2012, 4:34 p.m. CST
Bless his heart.
by reflecto
April 17, 2012, 4:35 p.m. CST
The marketing for this film...
by WeylandYutani
has been a master stroke in my opinion. Don Draper would be envious.
April 17, 2012, 4:42 p.m. CST
by ihatetalkbacks
When the film came out they said it should not be concidered a prequel. I read it and I am not going to spend any of my life looking for it. AvP had 2 hours too much time as it is. If it is not a prequel, I can fairly assume it is non canon. The artical I read it in said "non-canon" in big letters. I think iot was some damage limitation when they knew they had a stinker on their hands. You can look all you want. Even if I am wrong it amounts to nothing, Prometheus seems to be making it less relevent every passing day.
April 17, 2012, 4:48 p.m. CST
@ihatetalkbacks So you dont i have a link to support your statement.
by KilliK
As you can understand,please forgive me when i say that i dont believe you and that you are full of bullshit.sorry. Until you provied a valid,official link which validates your words,AVP will remaine canon in both the Aliens and Predator universes.FACT.
April 17, 2012, 4:55 p.m. CST
killik: Let's say the AvP films are ALIEN canon.
by Robert Evans
But then let's say PROMETHEUS, which is directed by the guy who made the original film that started it all, retcons the AvP films out of the timeline completely. You're left with a choice: -Insist that the mediocre-to-crappy (I'm being generous. Very generous.) AvP are canon, but not PROMETHEUS. -Accept that PROMETHEUS is canon and the AvP films are fanwank cash-ins and footnotes, and nothing more.
April 17, 2012, 4:55 p.m. CST
I wish I was a doughnut.
by Royston Lodge
Then I'd be sweet and tasty.
April 17, 2012, 4:55 p.m. CST
by ihatetalkbacks
You beat me. I will live in eternal shame forever. I read it, Im not looking for it. Its a shit film and Im not interested in it!
April 17, 2012, 4:59 p.m. CST
@ihatetalkbacks no worries.AVP still remains canon.that's what matters.
by KilliK
not your opinion.
April 17, 2012, 5:02 p.m. CST
by ihatetalkbacks
April 17, 2012, 5:03 p.m. CST
by jorson28
I didn't really care about this movie... UNTIL NOW. This reminds me of the old Asimov books - certainly the foundation of just about any good robot movie ("foundation"... no pun intended).
April 17, 2012, 5:10 p.m. CST
Bishop does not exist in this dojo
by Cobra--Kai
Bishop in ALIEN 3 is an android, he tells Ripley he isnt to try and coerce her but he's lying. How do we know hes lying? Because he gets hit across the shoulders with a pipe and his ear falls halfway off, and he carries on like no problem. If your ear fell halfway off it would really ruin your day, unless you were an android.
April 17, 2012, 5:10 p.m. CST
by Magnus Greel
Slap a less fey haircut and 20 pounds of muscle and you have your next James Bond.
April 17, 2012, 5:15 p.m. CST
Virtually everyone involved with 3 has said Bishop II was not an android. Originally he was supposed to die after that hit. Instead he is severely wounded.
by reflecto
April 17, 2012, 5:20 p.m. CST
@reflecto any link to backup your statement?
by KilliK
April 17, 2012, 5:27 p.m. CST
cobra - my view...
by ihatetalkbacks
but all androids have had white blood, why did he not have it, and more importantly... Bishop 2 had emotions of fear and greed. He is so emotional becuase he wants the alien. It is product, research, profit and influence - weapons makers have the ears of government. Why would an android be so emotional about it? He is the counterpoint to Bishop, an ansroid that had faith in Ripley and restored her humanity. Bishop 2 represents the loss of humanity, the human face of the company that is more evil than Ash or Bishop could ever be. He is the only human up to that point that ever wanted the Alien alive. He is the company in human form, evil not just robotic. With desires to own and control. Alien was never that good in terms of continuity. The ear hanging off was over done, or he was so passionate about the "need" to keep the alien it did not matter that it was hanging off. As an old boss once said to me, "Profits Darling!!!"
April 17, 2012, 5:36 p.m. CST
I loved his shout out to Roy Batty.
by veteran_of_mu
We're no computers, Sebastian. We're physical.
April 17, 2012, 5:39 p.m. CST
Love the irony
by fenris777
I'm sorry, Hal. I'm afraid I can't do that.
April 17, 2012, 5:43 p.m. CST
not too far-fetched seeing as...
by vosborne951
they occupy all levels of our government, law enforcement, clergy, education... oops...my bad... Weyland Industries... replacing humanity one person at a time.
April 17, 2012, 5:46 p.m. CST
Yep that's the thing Royston/Reflecto
by alexander
So it's only in Aliens that Ripleys daughter existed, and we've had no confirmation or reason to believe that's 'canon' to Ridley with Alien/Prometheus so far... Vickers being the corporate jezebel who ends up letting the xenomorphs ride her bareback on tap as the queen to spawn eggs, I can see why that's a delicious prospect for some, but... Patience Conscience stop your silly nonsense, as a Jane Austen character, or was it Jay Z, who once said... something like that? I dunno but let's all put that aside (I'm aware I just brought it up... this coffee with the major sleep deprivation is good shit ok)... Anyway, what was I on about?... Yes, assuming that's not the case and Ripley has no daughter it makes sense to me. And that quote from Ridley saying Alien and Blade Runner are essentially set in the same universe, that's interesting. What does 'essentially' mean exactly in this context? Because what struck me as markedly different between the Androids and Replicants, and the point of Blade Runner in its own right, is that the Replicants are actually capable of basic human emotions and feeling, empathy etc. The idea is the Tyrell corp has actually managed to achieve that in a limited capacity, but its the designated roles-tasks, the non existent memories and engineered dreams, and the very limited lifespan, that separates them from us, that ultimately places a barrier between, and a perceived threat to, real 'organic' human beings. To the point where even if you don't believe Deckard is a replicant, the fact the somewhat mystic dandy - who knowingly says "Horsedick! You Blade Runner!" to the best embodiment of Fats otherside on screen yet - is able to interpret and spell out his dreams, well that should tell you were all space dust carbon etc and a creators child, with humanity and life to cling and grasp to, even if its as see through and transparent in its form and construct and design to a wise man of the ages and his knowledge-beliefs as a replicants is to a well informed humans... Whereas Ash for example, strikes me as essentially a robot with things we can empathise with only on the surface... (unless you ever had a break down or 'crossed wires' in the brain and tried to shove a porno mag down some poor unfortunates throat as a result of the expendable on the mission displaying no perceived sexual urges you yourself know how to respond to directly first hand while on a corporate venture I guess...)... So interestingly enough, if David becomes more human on this planet...and you factor that quote of Ridleys... Can you hear the bells of Star Treks alt verse/newly created timeline ringing? Just teasing. But I am curious as to how Androids and Replicants, Weyland-Yutani and Tyrell, might 'essentially' exist in the same universe.
April 17, 2012, 5:51 p.m. CST
Original script had him as a human...
by ihatetalkbacks
not seen anything that explicitly changes him to android. Since the script had so many changes and it is ambiguous on screen we may never know: http://deadlymovies.wordpress.com/category/alien-resurrection/ Killik you love the expanded universe so much - the book says he is human and has a name. http://avp.wikia.com/wiki/Michael_Bishop
April 17, 2012, 6 p.m. CST
Human. This is the shooting script
by ihatetalkbacks
April 17, 2012, 6:04 p.m. CST
FUCK THE BOOK.What about the movie? is he or not an android?
by KilliK
April 17, 2012, 6:05 p.m. CST
Human. This is the final shooting script.
by ihatetalkbacks
http://home.online.no/~bhundlan/scripts/alien3/hill.txt Bishop II writhes on the floor. The troops fire on Aaron, shoot him down. Bishop II turns. No wires. No milk. Real blood. ......................... and again http://sfy.ru/?script=alien3_hill No ambiguity. No intention he is an android except for Ripleys initial claim, and REAL blood.
April 17, 2012, 6:07 p.m. CST
FUCK THE SCRIPT.What about the movie? is he or he is not human?
by KilliK
you know that a lot of things change from the script during the shooting of a movie.so what is it? human or android?
April 17, 2012, 6:11 p.m. CST
killik - thats the best your going to get.
by ihatetalkbacks
Final script says human. Novelisation says human. Anything else is speculation. Call Fincher up on 07908 114376 he always feels lonely this time of night and likes to chat about Alien3. Its his fav film experience!
April 17, 2012, 6:14 p.m. CST
@ihatetalkbacks ROFL ;)
by KilliK
April 17, 2012, 6:17 p.m. CST
I think if one person interprets Bishop II as human, another as android, it really doesn't matter
by Al
Like I said, I'm just a continuity geek so Bishop II is a droid, Charles Bishop Weyland founded Weyland Industries which, in turn, worked it's way towards Peter Weyland, who was related to Charles Bishop Weyland. Yes, I know a tie-in website disputes all that. Haven't read 'em. I am allowed to make my own fannon connections and that does not make me wrong. Besides, doesn't the timeline site not name his father? Shit, if a corporate billionaire died in an underground pyramid search for space aliens and advanced technology, one would assume an official bio would clean it up to read "died in a car crash" or something. If not, whatevs, distant relative. Didn't talk about him much. It's a No Prize for a fan of the series. Shit, I've read enough comic books & watched enough Star Trek to figure these little continuity puzzles out by now.
April 17, 2012, 6:21 p.m. CST
Saw the PROMETHEUS trailer again in LIEMAX 3-D...looks damn sweet.
by justmyluck
April 17, 2012, 6:23 p.m. CST
-Hello? -Hiya,mr Fincher.
by KilliK
-Who is this? -i am a movie geek who also happens to be one of your greatest fans ever who loves all your movies -glad to hear that.so what can i do for you? -i am having with a bunch of other film fans,a hot debate in AICN,you know the site that Harry Knowles runs. -who gives a fuck who runs it,go on,you were having a hot debate and? -uh,yes.and we were having this hot debate about one of your best and most underrated movies.. -oh really? which one -Alien Thr... -BURN IN HELL YOU MOTHERLESS SHIT.click. beeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeep -he..hello? mr Fincher? hello?
April 17, 2012, 6:29 p.m. CST
@kilik,cant we just say,and you just admit that avp was a piece of shit that ruined continity? seems obvious to me,no need for the "loop holing"
by TheAwareness
April 17, 2012, 6:44 p.m. CST
I like his Turboman voice changer...
by HB_Dad
...Jake Lloyd is stoked!
April 17, 2012, 6:49 p.m. CST
What if the biggest suprise of this film is that it's... SAD ?!
by MENTALDOMINANCE
Michael Fassbender said he didn't watch any of the ALIEN films to prepare for this but instead, he watched BLADE RUNNER. He mentions the character of the replicant Rachael as an influence on David. There is mentioning of David basically being picked on by everyone throughout the film. Whether he does something catastrophic or heroic, I'm sure he'll have been "bullied" emotionally much. It seems that the David 8 model is touting the emotion function as something new. I'll bet that he ends up making a decision in the film based on emotions... Possibly even in attempt to become more human ala. Pinocchio. Or at least, to be able to gain real emotions. To really feel them. Ridley Scott's films are always deep and to me, many are sad because they're so true. I'm much more interested in if the film rings true emotionally than if some irrelevant scientific fluff doesn't fit. That's how you care about what's going on anyhow - by identifying with the characters. If anything, hopefully what Ridley brings to the table with this film is shattering the idea that science fiction can't have humor, sadness and all the other emotional elements that go with GOOD film making.
April 17, 2012, 6:52 p.m. CST
Alien and Aliens are canon to Prometheus. Beyond that it's a crap shoot. I haven't seen anything suggesting it invalidates 3 and AR so much as doesn't deal with them at all. AVP is out.
by reflecto
April 17, 2012, 6:54 p.m. CST
I don't expect anything like ALIEN anymore. This film is goign to be special in it's own way. It may be more like Blade Runner on an emotional level but with the added element of horror which makes it sound even cooler.
by MENTALDOMINANCE
April 17, 2012, 7:46 p.m. CST
Roger Houston. We have the perfect new Joker. You are go for more Batman movies with the Joker in 3,2,1.. Ignition
by UltraTron
April 17, 2012, 7:47 p.m. CST
The Joker: The Motion Picture
by UltraTron
April 17, 2012, 7:47 p.m. CST
I see the new Joker. Cast this mutherfucker
by UltraTron
April 17, 2012, 7:51 p.m. CST
Absolutely this guy could play a perfect joker and without joker Batman sucks
by UltraTron
April 17, 2012, 8:21 p.m. CST
That was fucking brilliant...
by BookhouseBoy
This and the TED presentation are just mind-blowing...Hooray!!!
April 17, 2012, 8:30 p.m. CST
by lotor666
Johnny Hardstaff did it through Scotts production company. http://www.rsafilms.com/company/rsa-uk/director/johnny-hardstaff
April 17, 2012, 8:43 p.m. CST
= AVP is out.=
by KilliK
says you.the fact remains that it is a canonical part of the Alien/Predator universes.FACT.
April 17, 2012, 9:24 p.m. CST
Ridley Scott...
by nikem3
is going to connect the movie Alien with the movie AI. Think about it.. in AI all the androids can speak, and so can they in the alien movie. Coincidence? I think not.
April 17, 2012, 9:52 p.m. CST
Damon Lindelof connected Bladerunner
by Teddy Artery
and Alien. Check out his recent interview on the Nerdist Writer podcast (you can find it through iTunes). I give Lindelof the credit and Scott the credit for running with it.
April 17, 2012, 10:07 p.m. CST
teddy: People actually still use ITunes? I'll wait for it to be released in a normal format.
by MENTALDOMINANCE
April 17, 2012, 10:13 p.m. CST
by Teddy Artery
I'd assume they have a web site also.
April 17, 2012, 10:15 p.m. CST
Also, what is a "normal format"?
by Teddy Artery
If your computer is capable of listening to any kind of audio file, I'd wager you can figure it out.
April 17, 2012, 10:20 p.m. CST
Stupid buffering
by dukeroberts
It took me 10 minutes to watch that fucking thing. It was kind of awesome though.
April 17, 2012, 11:38 p.m. CST
by Keith
'Are you gay or just British?' Yeah, it's weird how intelligence often suggests gayness.
April 18, 2012, midnight CST
Brilliantly made. Is this by Ridley himself?
by AshMcQ
If so, I'm hyped at last.
April 18, 2012, 12:07 a.m. CST
AVP is canon
by enzoc
I guess it is technically, given that it's out there, but then so is Prometheus then and Prometheus contradicts AVP so you have to reject one or the other and since Prometheus is directed by the director of the original alien I'm gonna reject the AVP series, that and the fact that they're terrible movies.
April 18, 2012, 12:08 a.m. CST
Alien and Blade Runner connection?
by redcat1
Is it just me or does this remind you of Blade Runner? Could David be a Nexus 7?
April 18, 2012, 12:22 a.m. CST
Background at minute 1:41
by Evstar Galaxim
the wall paneling in the background at minute 1:40 1:42 looks like that color wall found in the E15 MIT Media Lab atrium and at Paisley Park in Minneapolis. Not I.M.Pei for the interior design, was it? Who designed those white paneled walls with color accents? === === === I know that all the fanboys in the world were incredibly hyperpumped for the Speilberg/Kubrick A.I., which was a bit of a letdown, though not as huge a letdown as Episode One The Phantom Menace. Then, the bombs fell. Lucky for fanboys, Speilberg made MINORITY REPORT the very next year. Oh and Soderbergh's SOLARIS. And now, we may become lucky again. Thank you Ridley!
April 18, 2012, 12:46 a.m. CST
It's not David, it's a grown up D.A.R.Y.L. actually
by Gorgomel
April 18, 2012, 2:09 a.m. CST
by TheDesolateOne
<p>Just scroll this page. You'll see download links in pink.<p> <p>http://www.iverged.com/movie/7553/prometheus-viral-video-happy-birthday-david<p> <p>Just Right Click/Save Target As<p>
April 18, 2012, 3:10 a.m. CST
Those banging on about how clean and advanced it all is
by allouttabubblegum
...You are aware this is not intended as a Alien prequel right? And you are aware that its a variation of the same universe? I think a lot of you comparing this to Alien are going to be very dissapointed. Scott has already said there is only a small nod to Alien. This is a whole new story. The look can be whatever it wants to be as its supposed to be its own seperate entity.
April 18, 2012, 4:01 a.m. CST
@Mental - I think a lot of great sci-fi has had an underlying melancholy
by smudgewhat
Kubrick certainly went out of his way to show the humans in "2001" as being largely devoid of sincerity, lacking in surface emotion, and strategically gamey. While HAL is actually the emotional one. I think the lesson there is probably that in our quest to eliminate all our weaknesses, or at least get rid of showing them, we ironically become more mechanical, like a computer. The David 8's emotional capabilities are clearly going to be critical to the story. After all, what would offend an early AI more than what it viewed as unnecessary suffering and cruelty? I have this funny feeling that real AI may end up showing us how easily we abandon our decency when push comes to shove. A computational intelligence might see war and suffering as unacceptable waste. And so, like HAL, David may be the emotional center of the movie somehow, and meant to challenge our ideas about our nature and culture and whether our sometimes inhumanity towards our fellow man is acceptable.
April 18, 2012, 4:53 a.m. CST
It's Ulysses from Making Mr. Right
by Charles Calthrop
Anybody else see that one? It had John Malkovich as a naive android with side-parted blond hair and a jumpsuit. I can't get creeped out by Fassbender's David because of that goofy movie.
April 18, 2012, 6:04 a.m. CST
Bishop II from Alien 3 was a clone.
by Supermans
This is the only explanation that would make sense.
April 18, 2012, 6:08 a.m. CST
Would they really have him openly say that he'd
by Bedknobs and Boomsticks
do things that were unethical?
April 18, 2012, 6:33 a.m. CST
i will never forget the video of lindelof
by animas
asking cj wilson if he had any ideas how to end lost. fuck you damon you piece of shit.
April 18, 2012, 6:51 a.m. CST
glad fassbender gets freedom to show off his acting skills
by animas
other than the movie "Hunger" he has been in a lot of limited roles. I'll be watching "Shame" soon.
April 18, 2012, 7:38 a.m. CST
Ash suddenly seems so sane & non-creepy - Hope we get a little 'twitchy' from David...
by obijuanmartinez
April 18, 2012, 9:31 a.m. CST
Do robots/androids have the senes of smell? WE see him smelling as flower? Just wondering... otherwise fucking cool!!!!!
by Michael Lunney
April 18, 2012, 9:45 a.m. CST
The two *Skulls*
by Johnboy40
The ones behind David's head. They are from his predecessor model, the Kryten 2X4B-523P service mechanoid. Made by Diva Droid, who went bust after the failure of the Hudzen 10 model. Diva Droid have clearly been bought by Weyland.
April 18, 2012, 9:58 a.m. CST
Mitt Romney's campaign ads are getting more life-like all the time !
by Half-Baked-Goggle-Box-Do-Gooder
But you still don't think he's capable of anything that his handlers didn't program him to say.
April 18, 2012, 10:11 a.m. CST
Tilda Swinton
by Brian
I didn't know Tilda Swinton is in this. Can't wait to see this. It will be a delicious sci-fi nugget.
April 18, 2012, 10:45 a.m. CST
my guess is that he will......
by corplhicks
be calm, cool as hell throughout the movie, then lash out towards the end, maybe due to programming, maybe due to threats to himself or humans, maybe an alteration of his programming by the aliens in the new movie. It would be way too boring to have him like this throughout the movie
April 18, 2012, 10:46 a.m. CST
TMI Marketing
by ThatEndDown
The more viral campaigns and footage and information comes out about this film, the more my interest wains. That is not to say that this film does not look intriguing; more that too much goes into the marketing of a film today. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LjLamj-b0I8 That is the original trailer for Alien; pretty much all you got, and not too much more from what I can find. Compare that to the trailer for Prometheus. Too much information, not enough mystery.
April 18, 2012, 11:55 a.m. CST
@gotilk/Royston Lodge...
by Blue_Demon
Maybe I'm too late with this but I was thinking David may be talking about doing things that may be unethical for humans on the level of dangerous. Sending him into an area where there may be disease or radiation or something. He does the jobs that humans may be afraid to do due to our self-preservation instinct. Just a thought.
April 18, 2012, 12:08 p.m. CST
Good point, blue_demon
by Robert Evans
Also, keep in mind that this is likely a promotion made for other companies and not public consumption. PROMETHEUS is clearly set in a corporate-controlled future, so I imagine there'd be a lot of this kind of inter-company communication.
April 18, 2012, 12:32 p.m. CST
anyone catch these few things
by corplhicks
he is tapping his finger or twitching-- a bug? something troubling his mind? when the box is opened the tube on the right has that milky liquid flowing downward then he wakes up. cool, like Ash's milky blood.
April 18, 2012, 12:45 p.m. CST
its asimo LOL
by and
April 18, 2012, 12:48 p.m. CST
by DocOpticus
Collating ...|
April 18, 2012, 1:09 p.m. CST
Thats an oscar right there in my book
by Tony
April 18, 2012, 1:10 p.m. CST
by ihatetalkbacks
Could be a glitch or a dream to show inteligence... or both
April 18, 2012, 2:37 p.m. CST
teddy - Normal = Non-Apple crap/freely downloadable without paying/accessable without proprietory garbage like Itunes, etc. - In short, a simple downloadable MP3 with no bullshit from Apple.
by MENTALDOMINANCE
April 18, 2012, 2:39 p.m. CST
by Robert Evans
April 18, 2012, 2:40 p.m. CST
Message to Hollywood: Britain does it BETTER! LISTEN AND LEARN!
by workshed
This is the kind of cerebral sci-fi people want; that endures for decades and people revisit time after time. Giving the masses shit like Transformers does nothing for the reputation of your industry and goes to perpetuate the notion that you are vacuous, money-grabbing, infantile fools who will never understand that the true value of art does not reside in strictly monetary terms. NOW GIVE CHRIS CUNNINGHAM THE $200M HE NEEDS TO MAKE 'NEUROMANCER' THE DEFINITIVE STATEMENT ON THE INTERNET AGE (or anything he so chooses dammit!)
April 18, 2012, 3 p.m. CST
mentaldominance: Songs purchased from iTunes are DRM free.
by Royston Lodge
Of course, movies and tv shows from iTunes have DRM, but I don't think there are ANY (law-abiding) services out there that offer DRM-free movies or tv shows, so one can hardly blame Apple for that.
April 18, 2012, 3:04 p.m. CST
Another Synthetic
by Patrick Pettay
I was just thinking that David was constructed as man's perfect image of himself. So David has the chisled good looks that Michael Fassbinder was lucky enough to be born with. The other crew of the Prometheus are all less than perfect, scruffy, regular joes, like all of us. Except..... Charlize! She is not just beautiful, she's perfect. Even the way her hair is shown tied back with that straight part looks too perfect. Previous interviews have spoken of how her character emerges from hypersleep and immeadiately starts doing pushups while the others are puking their guts out. Like shes immune to the same force that makes all the other humans sick. Hhhmm. I will bet Charlize turns out to be a synthetic as well.
April 18, 2012, 3:05 p.m. CST
Weyland Industries now has its full David page up:
by Robert Evans
https://www.weylandindustries.com/david One interesting nugget from the specifications area: Heart and Soul David 8 can record, process, understand and express many complex emotions, but he will never know true human feelings such as love, grief and compassion. *never know true human feelings such as love, grief and compassion*
April 18, 2012, 3:11 p.m. CST
Will space exploration be the "next big thing" in sci-fi movies?
by Royston Lodge
Trends in sci-fi/fantasy come, go, come back, and then go away again, all the time. We've had vampires. Zombies have had a good run. Time travel's been done to death. I was chatting with a buddy of mine on this topic, and we wonder if it might finally be time for space exploration to make a come-back on the big screen. MOON and Sunshine showed that this kind of sci-fi can be done on a reasonable budget. Defying Gravity was a valiant attempt on the small screen, but was marred by terrible casting and soap opera writing. If Prometheus does well at the box office, maybe the studios will see some profit potential for a new slate of these kinds of flicks? Maybe Douglas Trumbull will see his "120 frames-per-second" movie get the green light if Prometheus does well? Maybe we'll finally see 2061: Odyssey Three on the big screen?
April 18, 2012, 3:19 p.m. CST
choppah: Like I wrote earlier, David is programmed to lie.
by Royston Lodge
He displays perfect, calculated facsimiles of human emotions, right down to the perfectly-timed tears, in order to "make it easier for my human counterparts to interact with me." (i.e. to fool them) At the end of the day, however, his knowledge of what those emotions MEAN is pretty much no better than reading the Wikipedia entry for "love" or "compassion". In other words, David meets the classic definition of a psychopath.
April 18, 2012, 3:25 p.m. CST
dickwhitman: Maybe. Maybe not.
by Royston Lodge
On the one hand, she does seem a little too perfect from what we've seen in the trailers. However, David is supposed to be the cutting edge of android technology, but he's still clearly a little "robotic" in his mannerisms. The filmmaker's have designed David so that he doesn't QUITE cross the uncanny valley. If Charlize is also an android, that means that somebody other than Weyland has developed superior technology. I don't think that really fits with the mythology they've been creating with these virals. I think it's more likely that Charlize's character is *too perfect* compared to the other characters because she's an ambitious corporate ladder-climber, and the rest of 'em are wage-slave scientists and technicians.
April 18, 2012, 3:37 p.m. CST
Also from the specifications: Famous Last Words!
by Royston Lodge
Unlike previous models, David 8 can conduct all of his own maintenance procedures. Yeah, we've heard that before. No 9000 series computer had ever made a mistake, either. How can a A.I. possibly conduct diagnostics on the integrity of its own thought patterns? If a fault develops in David's algorithms, presumably the fault will extend to the diagnostics subroutines themselves, no? Once Norton is infected with malware, you've gotta reinstall Windows. There'll always be a need to have a human (or maybe an external computer, like MOTHER?) trained and authorized to recognize and repair faults in the android. Clearly, the people in the Alien universe have never seen 2001.
April 18, 2012, 3:43 p.m. CST
royston, you may have inadvertently raised an idea that could be a plot twist, re: Vickers.
by Robert Evans
*If Charlize is also an android, that means that somebody other than Weyland has developed superior technology.* What if she's an android perfected by Yutani, programmed to be the perfect corporate climber and, hence, a mole. Yutani, according to the corporate timeline, was already fighting with Weyland over patents. Now what if they try to seize an upper hand by having one of their android moles get to a position of power and influence and, as a result, receive a front-row seat to Weyland's biggest project yet. Hmmmm. It's probably wank, but it's got me thinking.
April 18, 2012, 3:43 p.m. CST
Android self-diagnostics: Even Data asked Geordie to run diagnostics from time to time.
by Royston Lodge
Noonian Soong programmed Data to seek help from a human when he suspected a fault in his own functioning. Clearly, Dr. Soong was smarter than Peter Weyland. ;-)
April 18, 2012, 3:46 p.m. CST
choppah: I thought about that, but I don't think it fits.
by Royston Lodge
I thought about suggesting that she might be a Yutani android, but I really don't think it fits that Yutani would have an android that's more advanced than Weyland's newest model. It's entirely possible that she's a human working for Yutani, on the other hand.
April 18, 2012, 3:46 p.m. CST
The self-diagnostics could just be another way to veil programming in Weyland-made androids.
by Robert Evans
This way, the Weyland droids would make for excellent corporate moles for Sir Peter and co.
April 18, 2012, 3:47 p.m. CST
That works, too, Royston.
by Robert Evans
April 18, 2012, 3:57 p.m. CST
I might even be more suspenseful is NOBODY's a mole.
by Royston Lodge
Face it, we're EXPECTING a mole. Ash was the mole in Alien, with his own mission directives. Paul Reiser was a corporate stooge in Aliens, lying through his teeth about the mission. At this point, we'll be shocked if there is NO evil corporate backstabber in Prometheus. Surely, Ridley and Lindelof know this. So, what if the big twist is that there is no mole? What if they drop hints throughout the movie that Charlize, or David, or somebody else has a hidden agenda, but it isn't true? So everybody on board gets more and more paranoid, starts pointing fingers, and ends up fucking the mission to hell and back. Over nothing. Honestly, I doubt Ridley and Lindelof are that clever, but it's the way I might go if I was writing this sucka.
April 18, 2012, 4:05 p.m. CST
More clues re: Vickers as an andriod
by Patrick Pettay
The only time we have heard her speak during the trailers is when she is warning the crew about going outside, which would follow along with the android programming to protect Humans. If she was the typical corporate sleeze Weyland has become famous for I doubt she would have that kind of compassion. I also remember an interview with Fassbender and Charlize (both androids together)from back in March. Fassbender was asked whether Davis was good or bad using Bishop and Ash as previous examples. Fassbinder asked Charlize about how she would describe David and Charlize responded back, "Am I twitching." Which seemed kind of cryptic until I saw that David video.
April 18, 2012, 4:05 p.m. CST
From the Specifications: More proof that David is evil...
by Royston Lodge
He enjoys golf. ;-)
April 18, 2012, 4:13 p.m. CST
dickwhitman: I'm not dismissing the Chalizedroid theory completely.
by Royston Lodge
I just don't think it "feels" right. It simply doesn't seem to "fit" with the mood they seem to be building. But that's hardly a decent rebuttal, clearly. Also, I'm still sorta clinging (desperately) to the theory that the corporate culture at pre-merger Weyland is happier and more ethical than the infamous Weyland-Yutani corporate culture later on.
April 18, 2012, 6:11 p.m. CST
Guess some people here haven't been around corporate women
by NotEnoughBiehn
That's the kid of presentation a lot of them put forth. Fanatncial about outward appearance. Extremely high grooming. Composed, sometimes icy. They're putting forth the image of a go getter, someone with extreme competence and attention to detail. In control. They're trying to impress for success. Having the face and stature of Charlize Theron helps that display, but still. And do androids sweat clear sweat in the Alien universe?
April 18, 2012, 6:22 p.m. CST
by Eli_Cash
I'm not totally convinced that the script leak is fake. There's good evidence that it is, but even if its fake I'm still worried that the real movie will be flawed in the same way. A mundane plot about alien gods used to string together a bunch of scenes that do nothing more than explain Alien or implicitly homage it.
April 18, 2012, 6:34 p.m. CST
And do androids sweat clear sweat in the Alien universe?
by Royston Lodge
I wouldn't design an android to sweat at all. Presumably, there are more efficient ways to maintain an android's operating temperature. An exhaust fan in his ass? ;-) The only other reason to make him sweat would be to make people think he's nervous, but what use would that be? Humans would want to think he never gets nervous. After all, if the android's nervous, it would make me REALLY nervous. Now, if it was a covert android, that would be a different story. You'd add in the fake sweat so he can better infiltrate a group of humans.
April 18, 2012, 6:57 p.m. CST
And would an andriod do naked push ups in private?
by NotEnoughBiehn
And for what reason? See where I'm going with this? Though I do remember that little jogging in place move Ash did in Alien, to keep warm. Androids can feel cold I guess.
April 18, 2012, 10:28 p.m. CST
Why are these robots always named david?!? (okay just AI and this movie as far as i know). Good stuff. Fassbender is well cast methinks.
by dahveed1972
April 18, 2012, 10:30 p.m. CST
The contrasts between Ash and Bishop are so telling about their respective creators' attitudes about science and technology.
by dahveed1972
April 19, 2012, 5:08 a.m. CST
Don't think that's wank Choppah, seems like a reasonable theory
by al
As much so as the two Royston implys to me in Response: that she is human, but a mole for Yutani, or that she is simply a human corporate knife, the Weyland mole or real trustee as opposed to David, and because of what happens this time round, an android is preffered as the mole next time round.
April 19, 2012, 9:05 a.m. CST
by unclemonty666
April 19, 2012, 9:05 a.m. CST
by unclemonty666
April 19, 2012, 9:05 a.m. CST
by unclemonty666
April 19, 2012, 9:05 a.m. CST
by unclemonty666
April 19, 2012, 9:05 a.m. CST
by unclemonty666
April 19, 2012, 10:08 a.m. CST
and once again, here's hoping David becomes like the Silver Surfer!
by al
Should anything Galactus like threaten earth and humanity.
April 19, 2012, 7:40 p.m. CST
royston: My point is I don't fuck with DRM - Any idiot who can use Google can de-DRM anything so all it does is cause extra steps. Plus I dispise Apple even more than Microsoft and hate the notion that in order to listen to music or watch videos you need
by MENTALDOMINANCE
April 19, 2012, 7:41 p.m. CST
something expensive that starts with I yet doesn't do shit in comparison to what everything else that costs half as much does. Apple is cosmetic bling, that's all.
by MENTALDOMINANCE
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