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DOCTOR WHO Title Sequences And Upcoming Comic-Con Shenanigans On This Week's Friday Docback!!
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Merrick here...
Last weekend I was hit with a rather strong pneumonia that knocked me around like a pathetic little sissy bitch, then proceeded to render me far less functional than I already was (I'm amazed the later was actually possible).
It's been a rough, rough week physically and I haven't felt well enough, alive enough, or awake enough to indulge in the "older" DOCTOR WHOs that I am quite desperate to dive into. Despite this, I wanted to make sure that a Friday Docback opportunity still existed for y'all...as promised.
The Docback is vital.
The Docback shall never fall.
So, here it is...sadly gimpy, wholly uninspired, and aggravatingly abbreviated. Next Friday's posting will be considerably more well-rounded.
I was going to talk a bit more about the embed below, but I'm simply not feeling up to it at the moment. Nonetheless, I present it here as possible fodder for discussion in the Docbacks below. This is an interesting video which pretty much speaks for itself.
While it's certainly not as flashy as many of the title sequences which succeeded it, I have been...and always shall be...in love with the simple, geometric elegance of the original Tom Baker title sequence (2:39). Is it the coolest DW opening titles ever?
BBC AMERICA has announced DOCTOR WHO's presence at this year's San Diego Comic Con (site HERE).
If any of you fine folks will be in attendance and feel like sending us a nice write-up of your DOCTOR WHO-related adventures at SDCC, please send your stories , photos, vid clips, etc. to me (HERE) and we'll happily share them with the world and fellow Docbackers.
Doctor Who
Sunday, July 24, 12:30-1:30pm
Matt Smith and Karen Gillan make their first Comic-Con appearance for a panel and Q&A with Doctor Who writer Toby Whithouse (Being Human creator) and executive producers Piers Wenger and Beth Willis. They're bringing with them, exclusive new footage from the new episodes airing later this summer on BBC AMERICA. Doctor Who follows the adventures of the Doctor, the mysterious traveler who journeys throughout all of time and space, picking up companions along the way and almost always sidestepping danger.
Doctor Who, from award winning lead writer and executive producer Steven Moffat, stars BAFTA nominee Matt Smith as the Doctor and Karen Gillan as his companion Amy Pond, along with Arthur Darvill as Rory and Alex Kingston who plays River Song. Part One of the new season, which premiered in April, delivered record ratings for BBC AMERICA and marked the first time Doctor Who filmed on American soil. Its finale ended with the unveiling of a massive secret and the words "Let's Kill Hitler" on screen. Part One of Doctor Who arrives on Blu-ray/DVD on July 19 and Part Two premieres late summer on BBC AMERICA's Supernatural Saturdays. Twitter: @BBCAmerica / #DoctorWho
Fans of Doctor Who will find an assortment of contemporary and classic licensed merchandise at Comic Con, available at the BBC AMERICA booth, in addition to officially licensed Doctor Who partners' booths. The BBC AMERICA booth will also offer fans several product exclusives including: a comic book convention special, the River Song figure...
...and multiple t-shirt styles. From t-shirts to action figures, Sonic Screwdrivers to comic books, Doctor Who will have something for fans of any age.
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July 1, 2011, 12:10 p.m. CST
by Azazyel
Not many programs have been around long enough to generate this back catalogue of titles...
July 1, 2011, 12:12 p.m. CST
Just wondering when we'd be getting the Late Night Ratings updates again. We haven't been getting them casue Conan is losing to Chelsea Frickin Handler, have we?
by Coughlins Laws
I know that when I predicted that Conan would be coming in fifth or sixth behind Leno, Letterman, Kimmel, Nightline, and Jon Stewart, I didn't for a second believe he couldn't at least beat Chelsea Handler. Wow, what a failure he is. Can't even beat Colbert in his second hour. I doubt he'd beat Jimmy Fallon if he was back on at 12:30am. He really should have taken the 11pm offer from Fox. He would have had their strong network primetime promoting the Hell out of his show. Now he can't even hardly beat Lopez Tonight's numbers. Very sad fall for Herc's favorite Ginger...
July 1, 2011, 12:17 p.m. CST
Ah, here again at last.
by sam jacksons wig
July 1, 2011, 12:18 p.m. CST
by Rebel Scumb
I'm glad the Canadian Postal strike is finally over so my new batch of classic Who episodes should be arriving from amazon sometime this week. Looking forward to: Horror of Fang Rock, The 2 Doctors & Rememberance of the Daleks.
July 1, 2011, 12:19 p.m. CST
Patrick Troughton looked drunk.....
by sam jacksons wig
..oh he did! Go on, admit it!!! It looked like a DUI mugshot!!!
July 1, 2011, 12:25 p.m. CST
Crisis averted?
by Mister Vertue
Okay, so can we now agree that all is well in the world of Doctor Who, that the Private Eye article (and continued stupidity) was all a load of old nonsense, that the show is not being cancelled or reduced in episodes and that the world isn't on the verge of imploding? Good. I really did try to tell you all that it was going to be okay, but some of you still decided to run around like headless chickens regardless. No matter, all of the above is what makes you (us) such brilliant fans and I hope that never changes. Anyway, keep buggering on and I'm looking forward to reading what you loons discuss this week! Ta-ta for now!
July 1, 2011, 12:25 p.m. CST
1986- new music for Colin Baker. Awful. Just awful.
by sam jacksons wig
I appreciate that they were attempting to put a modern slant on the classic theme tune, but this did not work for me. Most of the sense of you are watching doctor who went out of the window, and was the beginnings of the death knell for myself personally. Who had lost some of its flavour before one frame hit the screen.
July 1, 2011, 12:26 p.m. CST
Maybe someone at SDCC can ask them what the HELL is going on at the BBC?
by V'Shael
Because there's a lot of bullshit coming from London right now.
July 1, 2011, 12:29 p.m. CST
Words to strike fear into the heart of the hardiest WHO fan....
by sam jacksons wig
...special gust star Eric Roberts...... oh no....
July 1, 2011, 12:30 p.m. CST
All those old Doctor Who annuals
by V'Shael
are available online. I owned the 1981-1986 annuals, but they've been trashed a long long long time ago.
July 1, 2011, 12:33 p.m. CST
After so long a time away....
by sam jacksons wig
..I can clearly remember sitting on my sofa and getting gooseflesh the minute the title music and credits sequence came roaring on for Ecclesons "Rose.." From that moment on I was hooked. Each time the title music came on I turned the volume up VERY lOUD just to bask in the music and the effect it was having on me. It performed the amazing feat of pumping me up more for each episode!!!
July 1, 2011, 12:38 p.m. CST
I can recall Matt Smiths title sequence causing quite a stir....
by sam jacksons wig
..what the hell was with the lightning bolts and new arrangement, people asked?? Personally, I loved every second of the bombast and the coldness of the arrangement as opposed to the deep resonance of Tennants era music (which was blindingly good, by the by..) The blue hues added to the cold feel and was far removed from the fire of Tennants. For me, it heralded the arrival of a new Doc and something particularly sisnister in the offing, possibly?
July 1, 2011, 12:41 p.m. CST
Best title sequence
by Jawsh Murdock
I wanted to have a fresh opinion on which title sequence was the best, but I have to say... The man's got it right. It's the original Tom Baker sequence, it's a classic. I was dissatisfied when I heard them change it during the last Tom Baker season. I think original sequence all the way up to the first Baker sequence was great, but after that they were pretty lame up until the Eccleston & Tennant series (which I liked despite the surfboard). I don't know if I like the new one yet. The theme tune has been changed drastically, and I don't really like that, and thunder crashes also get on my nerves. It looks great, but misses that classic Who feel in my opinion.
July 1, 2011, 12:41 p.m. CST
by I am_NOTREAL
are the only TB worth posting in IMO. I'm an old-school Who fan. I used to be in the Dr. Who Fan Club of America. I had the TARDIS thermal-dynamic badge. I used to get Dr. Who Monthly magazine. My first Who experience was the closing moments of the final episode of "Power of Kroll" on North Carolina Public TV sometime in the late 70s. Yes, it was cheap - it looked like a plastic octopus attacking a Tinkertoy oil rig in a shallow bathtub--but the power of the imagination hooked me. I became a big Who fan from that point on until the misguided Colin Baker years. I went to the 25th anniversary convention in my hometown and saw "An Unearthly Child." I haven't really gotten into the "new Who." I've seen maybe three stories of the Matt Smith Doctor. They're OK. There's an ambition and energy to the storytelling, and certain glee that comes from sheer momentum, but I don't really know if they're my cup of tea or not. But these classic Who "Docbacks" have me feeling like a kid of 9,10, 11 again. And it's fun. There's a lot in my life to be serious about these days; it's nice to think back on my childhood experiences with Doctor Who, and even if I'm not that kid anymore, remember when I was.
July 1, 2011, 12:42 p.m. CST
Where is the updates on series 7 on line? I have not been able to find them. Someone please post a few links for my viewing pleasure! Ta!
by sam jacksons wig
July 1, 2011, 12:43 p.m. CST
I was thinking of writing or emailing the bbc.
by emeraldboy
to find out what is going on with dr who. does anyone know of moffats email address. that might be a way of getting some answers.
July 1, 2011, 12:43 p.m. CST
"The Docback shall never fall." Merrick, I love you for this line!
by wtriker1701
'twas the sweetest thing here on AICN for us Who fans. No matter the length of articles, no matter even what sense they should make one day - all that matters is a weekly home. Now, Herc, switch gears to Supernatural next season, will ya? Or do you think, Hell should freeze first? Might be the last season and you could make it one for the history books on AICN...
July 1, 2011, 12:44 p.m. CST
My fave sequence
by I am_NOTREAL
The Tom Baker - Peter Davison "Star Field" opening, mainly because I'd seen the "time vortex" of classic Tom Baker for years at that point, and the stars were new, fresh energy. Probably the same reason that Davison remains my personal favorite Doctor...followed by Pertwee.
July 1, 2011, 12:48 p.m. CST
i am_notreal - agrred, but there is so much in nu-who to whet your appetite.
by sam jacksons wig
Look back at a few previous DocBacks and you will see recommendation of episodes to get you started. Myself, start at Rose with Eccleson and Piper. It's as good a place as any and will give you the full flavour of just what RTD was trying to achieve and his visions for the show. Good stuff!! Welcome aboard!
July 1, 2011, 12:48 p.m. CST
@man_of_vertue - Sorry, but no.
by V'Shael
Unless there's been a recent news outbreak, I don't think we can assume all is well. Things we know (but aren't concerned about): Torchwood delay (it's only 6 days, chill.) Unspecified date for Let's Kill Hitler. (It will air in the autumn most likely, no reason to panic there either) The BBC often don't finalise/publicise the air date until a few weeks away. But for 2012... No clarifications from the Beeb. We know there won't be a full 13 episode run. We know they tried to place the blame for this on Moff's work with Sherlock. Private Eye have generally been supportive of the show, if highly critical of BBC Management. I think this is very different from the sort of trolling that says "Viewers are fleeing! The show is being cancelled!!". I'll always call out bullshit like that when I see it being posted, because there's facts out there in the public domain which dispute these hysterical claims. But from the Who-crew right now, and the BBC in general? "Silence is all we see".
July 1, 2011, 12:52 p.m. CST
The cover to that Doctor Who Annual makes me smile.
by Doctor_Strangepork
I like the idea of The Doctor traveling time and space with John and Gillian, parking the TARDIS, voyeuristically spying as barbarians beating the snot out of each other, then jumping back into the TARDIS. It's only enhanced by William Hartnell's "dubious clergyman" vibe.
July 1, 2011, 12:56 p.m. CST
Last update I have seen was dated 15th June...
by sam jacksons wig
...and contained no new information on S7 what so ever. MOV, what are you talking about here, mate? Where are the links and evidence to support your claims? Cheers.
July 1, 2011, 1:07 p.m. CST
The BBC website ran several new stories in the last few days
by V'Shael
None of which related to the Private Eye fiasco stuff. There's a new interactive real world story, for example, which looks like it's even better than the Doctor Who Experience. I have to get back to the UK, so. And some other stuff, and Alex Kingston said some stuff on the morning TV show on the BBC the other day, which may or may not be a spoiler.
July 1, 2011, 1:12 p.m. CST
TRIAL OF A TIMELORD theme
by I am not a number
That season had the most unusual arrangement of the theme music for me. It felt like someone was just fooling around and seeing what would happen if they made a bunch of random changes, especially in the end credits (though I kinda like the last 15 seconds of so of the intro). While I like the extra colour they used in Doctor 6's intro, notably just before his image comes at the camera) I LOATHED the eyesore multi-colour ripple they imposed over the starfield, and the blurry/bent version of the show's logo. Terrible. My favorite openings would be Pertwee's second, both of Tom Baker's, and Sylvestor McCoy. Favorite variations of the theme (tricky to pick a favorite) would be the Tom Baker's second, the otherwise dismal Fox movie, and Sylvestor McCoy's -- though my preferences do tend to fluctuate on that front. I recall a video on YOUTUBE someone threw together of the Time War using assorted clips and a reworked version of the theme called HIGH NOON that was quite interesting. The music can be heard here, though the video with it is dumb: http://tinyurl.com/422anog
July 1, 2011, 1:19 p.m. CST
Speaking of videos on YouTube...
by V'Shael
I love the LOST music "Life and Death" that was used throughout the series, but especially in the finale. Someone put together a love video (and I normally hate those things with a cynics passion) of Idris and the Doctor, using that music from LOST. I fucking loved it. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1-B0FXbGnyQ
July 1, 2011, 1:20 p.m. CST
Forget that link
by I am not a number
Found the actual TIME WAR version (different from the one I first saw, but I guess it regenerated) http://tinyurl.com/5vnc9b
July 1, 2011, 1:21 p.m. CST
Sam Jacksons wig, re: 11th doctor opening music
by Rebel Scumb
While the newest version of the music has grown on me a bit, I still find it pretty disappointing. Just seems too goofy and upbeat to me, I always think the theme sounds best when its omnious and foreboding. For me the 2005-2007 eccelston/tennant era version is my favorite. If Murray Gold ever leaves the show, I'd love to see what Bear McCreary would do with the Dr. Who music.
July 1, 2011, 1:22 p.m. CST
Okay a bit of series 7 news... (spoilers)
by sam jacksons wig
.. this link takes you to a site that unfortunately has other spoiler related news in your face right off the bat. However, it does give you a spin on the S7 fiasco. Take it for what it's worth until the BEEB give us something concrete. http://www.doctorwhospoilers.com
July 1, 2011, 1:29 p.m. CST
rebel- can certainly understand your cinicism of the new theme...
by sam jacksons wig
... it was a pretty radical departure from whatt we were used to; completely rearranging the opening. Changing the tone, the vibe and the look. However, go to this link, press play and close your eyes. Imagine all of your fave moments from Who and you'll look at this in a completely different light...(I hope!! ;)) http://www.bbc.co.uk/doctorwho/dw/episodes/b00rs6t7/videos/p00765br
July 1, 2011, 1:32 p.m. CST
Having flashbacks
by I am_NOTREAL
Favorite Who stories? Oh yeah, I can still remember: Earthshock (Davison) Genesis of the Daleks (T. Baker) Day of the Daleks (Pertwee) Caves of Androzani (Davison) Planet of the Spiders (Pertwee) Loved many others, but those stand out. I think the only Hartnell stories I ever saw were Unearthly Child, The Dead Planet (the Daleks), and Edge of Destruction. For Troughton, I may have only seen something called The Krotons. Always wanted to see Tenth Planet and Tomb of the Cybermen, but never could. That title sequence montage clip was a blast, thanks for posting it!
July 1, 2011, 1:33 p.m. CST
@Sam_Jacksons_Wig - That would be fine, if true.
by V'Shael
But again, if true, why not just announce that? It would mean the largest gap between seasons yet. (Christmas special 2011 -> Autumn/Winter 2012) About a 10 month wait. That's similar to the Season 5/Season 6 gap, but at least they had the Christmas special in there to break it up. This wouldn't.
July 1, 2011, 1:33 p.m. CST
11th Doctor Opening music
by DoctorTom
The sequence as a whole has grown on me a lot - it was mainly getting used to the stormy tunnel. The music itself I liked, especially when the bass voices kick in when the Doctor Who logo is there. The "DW" turning into the TARDIS and spinning down the hole I thought was brilliant from the start.

 I'd have to say that the 4th Doctor time tunnel opening is my favorite, but probably because that is the one I got imprinted with when they started showing the show in the United States. I'd have to put RTD's theme sequence as second - I can still remember the first time I saw the opening and going "whoah" when the TARDIS had hang-time when changing between time tunnels.
July 1, 2011, 1:38 p.m. CST
Apparently not available in my area
by Rebel Scumb
But that's okay. It's not that I don't like the new version, I just was hoping for something else. I do however prefer the new version of the logo to the big spinning gold oval thing during the tennant era. I just hope with the next version both the visuals and the music they really go all out. I would love to see a really epic HD starscape and dazzlingly complex time vortex with a really startling version of the music to accompany it. Something to evoke the vastness of time and space and the epic scope of the doctor's unending journey. Not to evoke the ghost of Diox in the docback, but I actually did really enjoy SG:U, and one of the main reasons was I always felt that show, perhaps more than any other space show, really presented outerspace in an enormous and daunting place. I have a very clear picture in my head of what i'd like the opening to be, and I admit that's entirely subjective, and nearly impossible to articulate.
July 1, 2011, 1:40 p.m. CST
v'shael - Oh I agree totally....
by sam jacksons wig
...whoever has posted this has done so under the radar and unofficially to boot. I cannot begin to understand the BBC and their silence regarding what is going on here. The only theory I have regarding a lack of any officail information is the relationship between Moffat and the Beeb executives; maybe there is a mutual code of silence agreed by both parties for some vague reason. Maybe one does not wish to rile the other whilst they still have a working relationship a la Sherlock and Who. But I will agree with you that there is definately more to this than meets the eye, and Man of Vertue needs to provide something concrete to back up his statement. It certainly read like "fact" to me. In the end it wil be us, the fans that will suffer the most because of it all, and still be expected to invest in the product with the same passion while being fucked unceremoniously. NOT GOOD ENOUGH.
July 1, 2011, 1:40 p.m. CST
Sam, I'm looking at the spoiler site with trepidation
by DoctorTom
It wasn't as bad as I thought it was going to be at the site, at least no "Luke I am your father" moments.

 That's about what I expected for the report of the S6/7 pushbacks. A realignment to a fall/spring schedule does make some sense, with a Christmas special in the middle. The only problem is that the Christmas specials might have to be set at different points in the "continuity". You can't really do A Good Man Goes to War as the last show in the fall (if following that schedule) and picking up with Let's Kill Hitler as the first episode in the spring while having a nice festive A Christmas Carol in the middle. Of course you can have the fall cliffhanger leading into the Christmas special, but I don't think it would work to have the Christmas special have a cliffhanger to go into the spring part of the series.
July 1, 2011, 1:41 p.m. CST
I always thought they should of altered the opening for the episode 'Utopia'
by Rebel Scumb
To add Capt Jack Harkness clinging to the outside of the TARDIS. Since the teaser ends with him grabbing the tardis right before it disseappears into the vortex, and the episode resumes with them coming out of the vortex to the end of the universe. It would of made a great visual gag, especially the bullet time part where the TARDIS switches to the other time tunnel, they could of had Jack screaming in slow motion as the tardis turns around
July 1, 2011, 1:42 p.m. CST
Which hotel will Gillan be staying in at Comic Con?
by photoboy
I heard she was found wandering naked in the halls of a hotel in NY recently, so I'm hoping for a repeat performance! As for the best version of the Doctor Who theme, it's got to be the Baker/Davison/Baker version from the '80s for me (I'm quite fond of the Trial of a Timelord variation too). It's my favourite era of Doctor Who and I always loved the "Dooooom" sound/explosion at the end. I really hope they bring that back to the modern theme....
July 1, 2011, 1:43 p.m. CST
What does late summer means
by History101
Because it better be after labor day or we will once again be a week behind Stupid america holidays. ;)
July 1, 2011, 1:45 p.m. CST
that's a good point doctortom, about the christmas specials
by Rebel Scumb
I guess they could just treat it as 2 mini seasons per year, and have each one wrap up itself.
July 1, 2011, 1:46 p.m. CST
The real reason for the delays with season 7. (spoilers)
by DoctorTom
(actually, probably not spoilers).

 With Amy and Rory out by the end of the current season (at least if you go by rumors), Moffat has decided that the next companions will be a grown up John and Gillian. He hasn't decided yet, though, whether to go a full season with them or to jettison them during the Christmas 2012 special The Doctor and Santa Claus vs. the Martians, leaving them at the North Pole.
July 1, 2011, 1:48 p.m. CST
Rebel Scumb - I fully agree, we should have had the "Captain Jack on the TARDIS" variant opening for the one episode
by DoctorTom
It would have been hilarious.
July 1, 2011, 1:50 p.m. CST
Glad you approve doctortom
by Rebel Scumb
July 1, 2011, 1:50 p.m. CST
Oh shit, I totally forgot the TV Movie theme
by photoboy
I really loved that orchestral arrangement, it worked really well. In fact the whole score to the TV movie was awesome, John Debney did an amazing job on that score.
July 1, 2011, 1:52 p.m. CST
history101 - BBC originally said "fall", BBCAmerica said "late summer". You know what that means -
by DoctorTom
It will start in England on Saturday September 3, on Labor Day weekend (and about as late as you can push it over here while still having it count as summer). It's possible it could start a little earlier, but I took the British "fall" to mean September at earliest, and with Labor Day being the traditional last day of summer, it locks in only one weekend for it to start.

 On the bright side, they DID start showing the new season in America the day before Easter. And, since it was BBC America saying late summer, if it is the 3rd that the season starts I don't think BBCA will push it back.
July 1, 2011, 1:54 p.m. CST
As for theme arrangements, I wouldn't mind if they changed to Orbital's version, especially the one where Matt Smith came out and played the theme with them
by DoctorTom
July 1, 2011, 1:58 p.m. CST
New logo
by I am not a number
Anyone else notice the little "BBC" they stuck under the logo in the opening credits this past season? What is up with that? Are they afraid people will forget who makes the show (they've only been doing it for a few decades). Also, in Canada the show has a voiceover intro by Amy just before the credits start, reminding everyone of the premise of the show ("blah blah blah... He calls himself the doctor . . . blah blah . . . and we've been running ever since.") Is that just a North American thing?
July 1, 2011, 2 p.m. CST
Themes of the Times
by Dreamfasting
I have a soft spot for the (early) Tom Baker era visuals reminding me of looking down a kaleidoscopes but I actually like the deep "beat" of the Peter Davidson theme the best. What I really appreciated about the tv movie opening was that they made an attempt to reconcile all the elements of old openings into a single continuity - time corridor, stars, even the 7th Doctor's asteroids. Also, that little build-up after the opening notes of the theme feels epic. My only quibble with the modern openings is that the Tardis looks so weightless, gettings tossed wildly about. I must have always imagined it moving around in space with the inertia of the interior's mass.
July 1, 2011, 2 p.m. CST
Sam - something about Dorium on the spoilers website (spoilers, naturally)
by DoctorTom
(plus a speculative question)
 "the excellent interview Fisher-Becker also reveals that, "…in Episode 7 Dorium is a hero and in Episode 13 he's more of a tormenting mentor. Again, lots of answers – everything will be answered in Episode 13, but then something else will be asked, so you've got the cliffhanger to the new series."

 I wonder if this means that at some point we see Dorium training a younger River Song, and what he'll be training/mentoring her in.
July 1, 2011, 2:01 p.m. CST
amy voice intro...
by Rebel Scumb
Yeah that is really bizarre. I normally torrent the new episodes, but for 'the rebel flesh' I was at my Mom's so watched it on SPACE channel (the canadian scifi channel) , and I was really shocked by the weird Amy Pond intro
July 1, 2011, 2:01 p.m. CST
Number 6
by DoctorTom
It's a North American thing - it's not on the British version. It's on the American version.
July 1, 2011, 2:04 p.m. CST
bbc 3 - flesh and stone has just started
by CB Chap
Kids - go to bed .... now!!!
July 1, 2011, 2:06 p.m. CST
Sorry you are feeling sick
by HornOrSilk
I wanted to hear about the Daleks, but that can wait. Health is more important. I think it is great Doctor Who will be at Comic Con. Though I wonder how Matt and Karen will fair with the questions they must be asked about the future of the show. I hope fans treat them well and know the problems are not with them!
July 1, 2011, 2:07 p.m. CST
doctortom - in answer to your question...spoiler theory..
by sam jacksons wig
..yes, I believe that it will be to the child River Song. Dorium, since the characters abeit brief introduction has always struck me as a self serving son of a bitch. Whether he is doing this in the guise of good or evil remains to be seen.
July 1, 2011, 2:13 p.m. CST
doctortom- would this mean that the Xmas special....
by sam jacksons wig
..just wouldn't be special, and be another stand alone episode? In between parts 1 and 2? Oh no sir. I disagree alot here with the Beeb and their mentality.
July 1, 2011, 2:15 p.m. CST
I went to the TIFF premiere of 'WOMB' hoping to meet Matt Smith & Eva Green...
by Rebel Scumb
That would of been an awesome 'two birds with one stone' moment. Sadly Smith was shooting series 6 of Dr.Who, and Eva was busy with Camelot. Truth be told as much as it would be cool to have met any version of the Doctor, I would of ignored him completely if Eva Green had been there :p
July 1, 2011, 2:16 p.m. CST
Horn- I believe that the con lot are rather respectful....
by sam jacksons wig
.... and can't imagine them giving the Who guys too much of a hard time. It WILL be cool unveiling new footage that will undoubtedly appear on youtube.!!!
July 1, 2011, 2:20 p.m. CST
by Rebel Scumb
I guess the other way they could it is to finish series 6 this fall. Have the 2011 xmas special. Then have either a handfull of specials like they did with Tennant, or do a short series of only 4-6 episodes in 2012, with a closed ending, and no cliffhanger. Have the 2012 Xmas special. Then go forward the way it was done this year, with half the series in the spring, and half in the autumn each year. Truthfully I've always been pretty indifferent about the xmas specials so I'd be fine not having them at all (provided we get a 14th episode in exchange of course)
July 1, 2011, 2:21 p.m. CST
One thing I miss in the opening
by I am not a number
I miss seeing the Doctor's face in the opening sequence. I used to like seeing how they were going to integrate the new Dr's image into them. The intro feels somewhat incomplete without it, and generic.
July 1, 2011, 2:21 p.m. CST
sam - if true, it should make the scene in The Pandorica Opens more interesting
by DoctorTom
there might be more to read into that look Dorium gave River than we originally thought.
July 1, 2011, 2:23 p.m. CST
And, it's a good question about which side
by DoctorTom
just based on his comments about dealing with the Headless Monks I'd have said the non-Doctor side, but then again the way that the Doctor pulled him in on the shenanigans at Demon's Run suggests they've had a past history, and that past history might actually tie in with the younger River Song.
July 1, 2011, 2:23 p.m. CST
I agree about the face or lack there of
by Rebel Scumb
I always thought they should of kept that going with the newer version of the show. I can see why they didn't, its a bit cheesy (but so is all of who) but it would of been cool to keep it going.
July 1, 2011, 2:26 p.m. CST
numberless - the "DW" bit morphing into the spinning TARDIS helps offest that somewhat
by DoctorTom
Also, having the TARDIS in motion is nice, you didn't have that with a lot of the older titles.
July 1, 2011, 2:28 p.m. CST
doctortom - there is a very slight possibility...
by sam jacksons wig
...that Dorium may not know who she grows up to be. It all depends on how long she spent with him. It would be cool if Dorium invented the entire River Song attitude and mentality. That would be a neat twist!!
July 1, 2011, 2:29 p.m. CST
it's weird that with the closing credits for the 11th doctor series'
by Rebel Scumb
that they just replay the opening music, instead of using the backend of the theme that usually plays during the end section. Especially since that was recordered and appears on the soundtrack.
July 1, 2011, 2:33 p.m. CST
rebel- any way we slice it we are going to be short changed in 2012...
by sam jacksons wig
... they will film a full series, not show it all in one year, span it out into 2013. The only way to save this abortion is to film 14 episodes for 2013 and show them with the other 6 or 7 kept in reserve. But they wont. They're misguidedly trying to save money here and screwing the fanbase as a result!!
July 1, 2011, 2:37 p.m. CST
I agree, Sam
by DoctorTom
We still need to see why she's such a figure that a Dalek begs for mercy from her when he hears her name. It sounds like the type of reputation that she's trying to keep the Doctor from developing.

 I think that it's just the training she's getting, and "jobs" that she's done for the High Church of Sacred Omega, or whatever they call themselves.

 Though I don't see it heading this way, I keep getting this mental image of the younger River Song going out and building her rep by "stealing" the Doctor's adventures before he gets there (not like Iris Wildthyme, who seems to sometimes steal his adventures after he's had them).
July 1, 2011, 2:41 p.m. CST
I don't see getting a slate of 20-21 episodes in 2013
by DoctorTom
I think there's just going to be the delay by 5-6 months.
 I do see them still putting out a DVD set for season 7 part 1 for Christmas 2012, the way we're getting a season 6 part 1 later this month.

 On the bright side, at least we're going to have a half-dozen or so more episodes in 2012 than Stargate Universe will have.
July 1, 2011, 2:43 p.m. CST
It also wouldn't surprise me to see BBC America mentioned as a co-funder of Doctor Who sometime in the future.
by DoctorTom
They're the primary ones responsible for seasons 4 and 5 of Primeval (if it hadn't been their money coming in to cofund, they wouldn't have been made).
 Given that they're getting record ratings with Doctor Who on BBCA, I'm sure that if the BBC falters too much BBCA will try to get involved to keep it going.
July 1, 2011, 2:45 p.m. CST
doctortom - I have always been bothered by something....
by sam jacksons wig
..and that is the fucking diary she has. I have never in my heart of hearts believed that it was knowledge that has been shared willingly, and there was a time I thought that she had stolen the information. This whole Dorium thing has me intrigued; what if she purchased the information from him? Or stole it from him at some stage? It's a stretch, I will grant you, but having ALL of his faces? So she met him in his final guise? No.
July 1, 2011, 2:47 p.m. CST
Big Finish license renewed until December 2014
by DoctorTom
I expect that they'll have a few more special things for 2013. I did see the mention that they're talking about another spinoff series (separate from the 4th Doctor adventures).
 It would be nice if BF could somehow get rights to do stuff for the 9th or 10th Doctor also. I could actually see Tennant coming back to do an occasional audio for them.
July 1, 2011, 2:47 p.m. CST
Isn't Dorium headless now?
by Jawsh Murdock
How could he return without a head? If they time travel back to his earlier days, then the timeline gets way too screwy don't you think?
July 1, 2011, 2:50 p.m. CST
Am interested in getting into Dr. Who
by Detective_Fingerling
I've always avoided this series like the plague. It just seemed weird before BBC started showing good programming. Without going back to the original, where is a reasonable starting point in the series to start off? I've got no interest in the stuff before the 90's.
July 1, 2011, 2:53 p.m. CST
Actually, Sam, I'd like to know when the Doctor started/starts the Diary that we saw him with in the Impossible Astronaut
by DoctorTom
As for River having all the Doctor's faces - it's certainly possible. Or at least all the faces up until now (and maybe a regeneration or two in the future). It doesn't mean that she's met them all. She's an archaeologist, she might have unearthed a copy of Verity Newman's book based on the Journal of Impossible Things that her grandmother got from the Doctor in Human Nature/The Family of Blood. That would give her pictures of the Doctors before Tennant.

 Or, we might find that she had copied pictures of the different Doctors from either the computer or from paintings in the TARDIS, sometime in the Doctor's future.
July 1, 2011, 2:55 p.m. CST
by notspock2
The Eleventh Hour, the first of Matt Smith's episodes is a good place to start.
July 1, 2011, 2:56 p.m. CST
jawshco - judging by some leaked info...
by sam jacksons wig
...which I will not impart here the time lines are and I quote "all over the fucking place..." I actually quoted myself there...
July 1, 2011, 2:56 p.m. CST
jawshco - yes, he's headless now. That won't stop him from popping up again.
by DoctorTom
The actor playing him already confirmed that he's in episode 13. So, either they convert him into a Headless Monk (and maybe convert him back later), or (far more likely) when we see Dorium again it will be before Dorium's head was cut off. He's apparently had interactions with the Doctor previously, and has certainly had dealings with River Song before. If this is set in River's (and Dorium's) past we might see how far back the connections go.
July 1, 2011, 3 p.m. CST
detective_fingerling, there's two good spots you could start watching
by DoctorTom
The first would be to start with the beginning of Season 1 of the new series (the 2005 version that had Eccleston as the Doctor). Start with the first episode, Rose. That is the way a lot of people got into it. This would also be a way to start without feeling like you're going to be overwhelmed by the backstory.
 The other way would be to start at the beginning of the 5th series, when Matt Smith started with the series. You might want to backtrack after that to some of the earlier "new Who" stories, followed eventually by delving back into DVDs of the classic series. His first episode is The Eleventh Hour.
 I think either way would work.
July 1, 2011, 3:05 p.m. CST
Thanks guys
by Detective_Fingerling
I think I'll start with the 05 series. Were there any TV movies in between the 05-present series that held with continuity? I only ask because I plan on either downloading the episodes or Netflixing them and don't want to miss something in between series.
July 1, 2011, 3:10 p.m. CST
I started watching DW with Curse of the Fatal Death!
by Jawsh Murdock
I know it's a comedy parody, or whatever, but I really liked it, and it nicely summed up just about everything I needed to know prior to seeing "Rose." Plus, Rowan Atkinson was a fantastic Doctor.
July 1, 2011, 3:10 p.m. CST
My vote would be for starting at The Eleventh Hour, Matt Smiths debut episode.
by V'Shael
It will allow you to catch up to date in minimum time.
July 1, 2011, 3:11 p.m. CST
detective_fingerling: doctortom is completely correct
by Rebel Scumb
Those would be the 2 spots I would have recommended and I think most people would agree. Series 1-4 of the new era Who is all one big story, where as series 5 was for the most part a fresh start. Personally I think you're best to start with Eccelston and series 1, you'll appreciate the ongoing story a lot more. And the Eccelston stuff, while quaint in production values, is a lot of fun, and leads directly into the Tennant stuff which is also a lot of fun. Starting with Matt Smith (series 5) is also fine, but I think you'll appreciate it even more if you've already seen the Eccelston/Tennant stuff.
July 1, 2011, 3:17 p.m. CST
rebel- especially since 11th hour deals with smiths regen from Tennant...
by sam jacksons wig
....which if watched in reverse may damage the gravity of Tennants extremely good run. Imagine seeing the new Doc before the old one changed? Eccleson is a great place to begin. New intro to the Daleks to boot!!!
July 1, 2011, 3:19 p.m. CST
Good point on the Daleks, sam
by DoctorTom
Dalek is definitely a better intro to them than Victory of the Daleks.
July 1, 2011, 3:21 p.m. CST
Goodnight DocBackers- will check in again tomorrow! Enjoy the discussion!!!
by sam jacksons wig
July 1, 2011, 3:23 p.m. CST
doctortom - n ot having the daleks at all is a better intro than VOTD!!!
by sam jacksons wig
Plus, Eccleson tells us all we need to know about his relationship with them.. I MAAAADE IT HAPPEN!!!!!!! Classic stuff!!!
July 1, 2011, 3:23 p.m. CST
I agree Sam
by Rebel Scumb
There are other little things to, like the introduction to River and the stone angels. Plus, I think its better to start with the lower production values of the Eccelston stuff, to the constnatly improving visuals of the Tennant era, and then into the cinematic HD look of the Smith stuff. A newbie will appreciate the evolution of the show's look, as opposed to starting with the Smith stuff looking very slick, and then stepping back to the more camp look of the eccelston stuff.
July 1, 2011, 3:25 p.m. CST
rebel- River Song? Who is she, then??? ;))
by sam jacksons wig
July 1, 2011, 3:25 p.m. CST
You're lucky detective...
by Rebel Scumb
I wish I could start all over again and expirence all those great episodes for the first time!
July 1, 2011, 3:25 p.m. CST
Tip for detective_fingerling
by I am not a number
Do yourself a huge favour when you are catching up on the show and skip the episodes named LOVE AND MONSTERS, and FEAR HER. Unless you are into masochism.
July 1, 2011, 3:25 p.m. CST
Now really GOOD NIGHT all!!! Must dash! See you all tomorrow!
by sam jacksons wig
July 1, 2011, 3:26 p.m. CST
If Dorium already knew about River...
by Jawsh Murdock
...and previously mentored her before A Good Man Goes to War, then wouldn't he have already known what was going to happen? He doesn't seem like the type of character that wouldn't have used that knowledge to his advantage. I don't know... It just seems too timey-whimey to me. We'll see.
July 1, 2011, 3:27 p.m. CST
i am not a number - oh you HAVE to take the rough with the smooth!!!
by sam jacksons wig
We all went through it, it's part of the initiation process!!! hahahahaha!!!
July 1, 2011, 3:28 p.m. CST
You guys, STOP keeping me here for now! You are all FAR too interesting to leave! But I'm going!!! Ta ta!!
by sam jacksons wig
July 1, 2011, 3:29 p.m. CST
i am not a number
by Rebel Scumb
I don't think Love & Monsters is all that bad. It's a different kind of episode, and while not one of my favorites overall, there really isn't any episode I would tell the first timer to skip.
July 1, 2011, 3:29 p.m. CST
Meant to ask this before ... In "A God Man Goes To War"
by V'Shael
where the gay fat cleric is donating a head, doesn't the voice from the Church (the leader, ostensibly) sound like Alex Kingston? About 7 minutes 20 seconds in. "Welcome Applicant".. etc.. that speech. Definitely sounds like Kingston to me.
July 1, 2011, 3:30 p.m. CST
by Rebel Scumb
I agree that it does seem a bit timey-wimey
July 1, 2011, 3:37 p.m. CST
Just trying to help him out :)
by I am not a number
I've been hooked on the show for about 25 years, and I can't think of any episodes that I loathed more than FEAR HER and LOVE AND MONSTERS. They are likely the only two episodes of the show that I doubt I could ever watch again. Yes, I would rather sit through a medley of DALEKS IN MANHATTAN, HORNS OF NIMON, and THE TWIN DILEMMA than either of these. ;) Of course, your mileage may vary.
July 1, 2011, 3:49 p.m. CST
I agree that I wouldn't rush to watch them again.
by Rebel Scumb
But I dunno, I just feel like even a great show needs a few bad episodes thrown in for good measure ;)
July 1, 2011, 3:51 p.m. CST
2 other nitpicks about A Good Man Goes to war...
by V'Shael
How did the Tardis translation work for Amy and Rory when the Doctor had already left in the Tardis? Why does Melody Pond not translate as "Song River" instead of River Song?
July 1, 2011, 3:54 p.m. CST
Here's a crazy idea!
by Mister Vertue
If there *are* changes afoot at the BBC regarding Doctor Who, what if they were for the benefit of the fans and not some shady 'money grabbing' scheme to stab the fans in the back? The Moff is just as big a fan as anyone in this Docback (dare I say it, an even bigger fan?) and he makes decisions for the welfare of the show. Of course not all of you are going to agree with everything he does, but you really can't please all the people all of the time, can you? I trust him 100% and I would love it if all of you could do the same thing. If not, then at least give him some time and then cry 'Be gone Moff!' if you're still not happy. I don't think that's too much to ask, is it? And this isn't me trying to start a fight or anything, I'm merely calling for calm before one or two of you completely lose the plot!
July 1, 2011, 4:08 p.m. CST
jawshco - how do you know he hasn't already used the knowledge
by DoctorTom
He doesn't necessarily know in the past that River Song is Melody Pond, so mentoring her in the past wouldn't conflict with AGMGTW. Or, if he knows the two are the same, that might have been why he could dig up the data so easily on Melody - he knew where to look.

 Presumably, even though being a human with a Time Head, Melody Pond wouldn't remember exactly what happened at Demon's Run (at least beyond Big Milk Thing holding her before she woke up), so Dorium wouldn't know beforehand that he's going to be beheaded at Demon's Run. (though, if he did, it would make an interesting parallel to the Doctor's situation and would be fun to contrast how the two handle their relative situations).
July 1, 2011, 4:12 p.m. CST
So, v'shael, Sam, and, man_of_vertue, correct me if I'm wrong.................................
by axcel1
The rest of this year's Who, 6 episodes and the Xmas Special will be shown starting in late September in 2011 and the next series (season) of Doctor Who will be shown later in the year, half at the end of 2012 and the other half in the early part of 2013. Right or wrong? Is the crisis averted? And, I have to wonder why they would say anything about it and not be clear about it?
July 1, 2011, 4:12 p.m. CST
I am not a number
by DoctorTom
I've been watching over 30 years, and would gladly take Fear Her or Love and Monsters over The Twin Dilemma or Timelash. I actually enjoyed the dig RTD was making at some types of Doctor Who fans in Love and Monsters. And, Horns of Nimon? Just go in expecting panto and it's loads of fun. I wouldn't say that Graham Crowden's acting was over the top....it was over the top, down the other side, two streets over and running fast. It's worth watching just to see Crowden making Tom Baker nervous (and to think, we could have ended up with him as Tom Baker instead of the Doctor)
July 1, 2011, 4:18 p.m. CST
man of vertue
by Rebel Scumb
I think most people here are suggesting that Moffat is being used as a scapegoat for some nameless BBC exec, and not implying that Moffat is out to ruin who
July 1, 2011, 4:21 p.m. CST
fear her
by Rebel Scumb
at least has the cool cartoon monsters, and love and monsters was a really fun diversion. I wouldn't want every episode to be like that, but one of the things I like most about Dr. Who is the sheer variety of episode formats there are, and once and a while I like for there to be really broad comedy ones like this.
July 1, 2011, 4:23 p.m. CST
by Merrick
Here's a list of the (2005-present) episodes which got me hooked on the show: http://www.aintitcool.com/node/50066 Look for the blue episode titles (including some clips from the episodes). Hope this helps!
July 1, 2011, 4:24 p.m. CST
V'shael - addressing the nitpicking points
by DoctorTom
actually learned English) who were going to suddenly find themselves in trouble because they couldn't understand the natives once the Doctor left. Presumably the Time Lords, or at least Andred, would supply a translation device for Leela.
 Or, through timey-wimey spacey-wacey methods Rory left the voice recorder from Day of the Moon linked to Amy's mind in the TARDIS, and it can extend the link through that.
 Or, everybody in space in the 50th-51st century speaks English if you speak it slowly enough.

 Melody Pond probably translates as River Song because there's a bunch of bureaucrats in the Gamma Forests that have you go by your last name first (or that's the tradition there).
July 1, 2011, 5:26 p.m. CST
the Song River = Melody Pond has an even simpler explanation within the episode
by Rebel Scumb
The names were written on either side of the cloth napkin thingy that Bucket made. But there is nothing denoting which side is first, and which is second. So if you looked at it and saw Melody Pond, then yeah you might get it in that order. But if you read it and saw 'song' on one side and 'river' on the other, then whose' to say which you would put first and which second. I'm assuming of course that amy and rory were not around to raise River and she had to cobble together her own history based on the evidence at hand.
July 1, 2011, 5:55 p.m. CST
by notspock2
I think we all pretty much trust Moff 100% to play whatever hand he is dealt the best way possible- The question I think many people are having right now is rather more toward the higher ups at the BBC and their attitude to the show, in fact maybe the entire sci fi genre- Red Dwarf is now being funded by Dave, Torchwood, which really should have been greenlit for another season the day Children of Earth finished and instead sent RTD off to america to look for funding, and now Dr. Who's scheduling is the subject of some debate which could be interpreted in a similar fashion... That's just my take...
July 1, 2011, 6:11 p.m. CST
exactly notspock2
by Rebel Scumb
Which would be one thing if it was a show with a so-so following, but with it raking in the moolah for the BBC, it really calls into question who is at the wheel.
July 1, 2011, 6:17 p.m. CST
@man_of_vertue - None of us were criticising Moff.
by V'Shael
And I for one hope he stays with the show for about 10 years or so. This has always been about the Beeb, including the way they tried to shift they blame onto Moffat. Do we trust him? Sure. But that's not what this is about. Never was, and hopefully never will be. I saw one post over at Gallifrey Base, from someone who seems to have some credibility over there, who insists that the BBC controllor guy really was joking. And that he just has an incredibly dry voice. And wit. And sometimes even when you see his face, you can't tell that he's joking, but he is. Could that be true? Sure, I guess it's possible. But you'd think someone with all those faults would have learned by now not to try and tell jokes over an audio format or to the Press. If I said in a press conference "Oh, the wife shouldn't have said that. My fists are going to get sore tonight..." do you think I could get away with claiming I have a dry sense of humour and you can't always tell when I'm joking? Especially if the wife in question didn't appear for a few weeks, giving any potential bruises time to heal? Stretched metaphor, granted, but it's late and I'm tired. My point is, people leaped to a logical conclusion given the facts at hand, and no one provided any evidence to the contrary. Even Moffats own tweet said it was "unbelievable" and "unacceptable". Or are we supposed to think he was also being a dry wit all of sudden? Sum up : No headless chickens here. Moffat has and always will have our support, I think. He's been nothing short of brilliant. I wish he had time to write Sherlock, Jeckyll and Doctor Who. And a Coupling reunion special. And more besides. There's no need to miscategorise the concerns of the fans as some sort of losing faith in the man in charge.
July 1, 2011, 6:21 p.m. CST
The first Tom Baker credits
by Kauzi Sezso
were mostly the last Jon Pertwee credits. This was the design for the Third Doctor's last series, and they were carried over to the Fourth Doctor's run.
July 1, 2011, 7:51 p.m. CST
Was somebody dissing Horns of Nimon?!
by Dreamfasting
That is one of my favourite Doctor Who stories of all time (although I haven't had a chance to watch it in many years). You start with all these sci-parallels to Greek mythology, Romana gets some great scenes and then the Nimon backstory suddenly twists and we get a genuinely disturbing creature concept that has inspired more than one RPG game I've run :)
July 1, 2011, 8:28 p.m. CST
Sam-Regarding opening titles:
by The Transformed Man
I get pumped too, every time. Once I was visiting my sister, and I'd put in an Eccleston DVD, and her husband picked up the remote and fast forwarded through the opening titles. I had to leave the room I was so angry.
July 1, 2011, 8:45 p.m. CST
by Rebel Scumb
That's a great story. I can relate. And also I agree that the title music always gets me psyched up. I didn't watch classic Who back when it was on, or afterwards. But I knew the theme. I think I'm fortunate that when I started new-Who with Rose, although I had never watched the old show, I was able to adopt what I feel is a more than suitable appreciation of the nostalgic thrill that a big time Who fan would get from seeing their favorite show resurrected with so much panache. So the first time the music started I got goose bumps!
July 1, 2011, 8:48 p.m. CST
classic Whos
by Rebel Scumb
Just to get some input from the experts. Here are some of the classic era Stories I'm thinking of getting next: • 11 & 12 – The Rescue / The Romans • 45 – The Mind Robber • 50 – The War Games • 55 – Terror of the Autons • 74 – Planet of the Spiders • 84 – The Brains of Morbius • 93 – The Invisible Enemy • 132 – The Awakenings • 133 – Frontios • 159 – Survival It will of course come down to when these are on sale. Last year the black friday sale proved a great time to stock up, so I'll probably wait until then. I've seen inivislble enemy and brains of morbius before so I know they are good. But I havent seen the others.
July 1, 2011, 8:54 p.m. CST
At this point, Moffat and Co. really need to put feelers out for outside financial support of Doctor Who.
by elgato73
The BBC is acting like its poorer than a church mouse and that may have something to do with Cameron being in power in England and wanting to cut funding. If that's true, BBC America or another US cable network should step in to support. I don't understand why the BBC's biggest cash cow is being relegated to only six or seven episodes next year. As it stands, the BBC should be making 20 episodes per year, not 13 let alone cutting it to six or seven. Me thinks that the BBC is on the verge of putting Doctor Who back in the box and placing it on the shelf permanently. Moffat may want to contact his pal Davies and find out how that Starz contract for Torchwood went down.
July 1, 2011, 9:39 p.m. CST
by Rebel Scumb
Agreed, if anything we should be concerned about the BBC ordering too many episodes, or greenlighting too many spinoff shows, milking the Dr. Who property too much. This entire strategy makes no sense.
July 1, 2011, 9:58 p.m. CST
Hey everyone
by frozen01
Wow. Great subject :) Sorry I'm a little late to the conversation :P Even though the Matt Smith era is starting to become my personal favorite, I still like the late Tennant era opening sequence the best. The song is just great (I think the current one is too modern and synth-y) and I always looked forward to the bit where the camera catches back up with the TARDIS and it goes into slow motion for a moment (compared to that, even with all the lightning, which I like, the current sequence seems a bit boring). I never realized this before but... I really like the sequence for the TV movie. Can't quite put my finger on the reason, but part of it has got to be the homage to previous sequences. That said, I'm glad they did away with putting the Doctor's face in there. That puts far too much focus on the Doctor himself. He's not much without his companions, and absolutely nothing without his TARDIS. Now she's front and center, where she should be :) (sorry, I'm a bit biased... since day one, if someone had asked me "who's your favorite character in Doctor Who?" my answer would always have been "the TARDIS" *grin*)
July 1, 2011, 11:40 p.m. CST
rebel scumb
by The Transformed Man
I had a strong reaction to the early Tom Baker opening back in fifth grade too. I still love that version. Murray Gold's series 1-3 take on the theme blew my mind. I wasn't as keen on the tweaked series 4 version. It took a week or so, but I ended up falling in love with his series 5 theme.
July 2, 2011, 12:40 a.m. CST
merrick and herc not going to the con?
by john
uh oh im still waiting for the con to get into the 21st century and start live streaming all the panels 20 bux per viewer for the weekend would cover all the costs
July 2, 2011, 12:43 a.m. CST
@elgato73 - They couldn't do 20 episodes.
by V'Shael
It takes 9 months to do the 13. There's not enough time in the year, and the cast do need time off.
July 2, 2011, 1:21 a.m. CST
Much love to 'Horns Of Nimon'.
by DoctorWho?
Love it when dude screams at Romana...'you meddlesome hussy!!" lol.
July 2, 2011, 1:25 a.m. CST
These Docbacks are the most friendly and enjoyable threads on AICN.
by DoctorWho?
I love it!
July 2, 2011, 1:28 a.m. CST
Create your own Dr.Who theme here:
by BiggusDickus
http://tinyurl.com/b5b8b Have fun combining those Noo-Nahs and Bingy Bongs, and don't forget to give it plenty of Mouse Organ!
July 2, 2011, 1:44 a.m. CST
thetransformedman - Who always starts with the phrase...
by sam jacksons wig
.."Right, that;s it!!" in my house, said by me to my wife and 2 kids to signify the shutting the fuck up stage of the evening. For 45 minutes there is silence (apart from the very end of the Almost people where I shouted FUCKING HELL at the telly and received a slap to the back of my head from the missus...the kids were there..oops!) even during the theme music as it plays as much a part as the actual episode in setting things up after the prologue. The music is vital. The theme even more so as it identifies with me and carries me onward through an amazing journey! Glad you get the same experiences!! Now, go and retrieve that remote control you buried up your brother in laws arse!!! ;))
July 2, 2011, 1:47 a.m. CST
frozen renee!!!! How nice to hear from you again!!!
by sam jacksons wig
It was that bastard Bay wasn't it??? He left all of Chicago traumatised!!! Glad you're back with us!!!
July 2, 2011, 1:49 a.m. CST
doctorwho? - you're welcome!! We all play our part in making them so....
by sam jacksons wig
...we may disagree with each other from time to time and get a bit passionate about things but the love always shines through in the end. Now, over at the Transformers thread it's an entirely different matter.... absolute carnage over there! Much better off here where it's less troublesome!
July 2, 2011, 1:54 a.m. CST
elgato- there's definately something funny going on. Man of Vertue has not soothed me with his words....
by sam jacksons wig
...infact I am being quite cynical for a reason. Until someone grows a set over at the BBC, gets off their backsides and issues a truthful statement about the state of affairs and what is really happening, then I will assume the worst. And as I have said, it all seems like a huge fuck you to the fans. People need to remember who put them where they are in the first place.
July 2, 2011, 3:50 a.m. CST
Something IS weird going on at the BBC
by HornOrSilk
And since we are not getting forthright statements, it doesn't help. Like Sam, I didn't find those words helped. We are told that it is something best for the fans. We have been told that before in the history of the show, with changes that ended up destroying the show. With so many years of success, the "if it is not broke, don't change it" aspect of things should come to mind. I'm talking about production aspects, obviously. And the fact that I hear, from other voices, that the BBC wants a full season for next year, and they are perplexed with the production team, again, we need to hear something sound, put out by the BBC and the production team together, which clarifies everything. And the idea of "how many episodes" is a secret which shouldn't be revealed is odd. I can understand not revealing plots, but -- basic production questions? Again, there is still a side of me saying -- maybe there is nothing wrong going behind the scenes. Maybe this is a publicity stunt to allow us to believe Amy and Rory are going nowhere, and the reason why Karen and Arthur are doing other work is DW is not in production, and the fact this got out is what caused this "scare." But that is wishful thinking.
July 2, 2011, 3:52 a.m. CST
Nice talkbacks
by HornOrSilk
Indeed, we have come together quite well -- there were, at times, conflicts during the first Matt Smith DocBacks, but the great thing about the Doctor, even in real life, is he can get people to come together. And now it is a special place of hope on AICN.
July 2, 2011, 4:06 a.m. CST
Davison-era theme song...
by Hideo Kojima
is the BEST.. dat SYNTH baby! question that popped into my head while discussing who with a friend.. where is The Master's Tardis?
July 2, 2011, 4:41 a.m. CST
by MoffatBabies
lol. That figure looks nice. Love that annual cover art too. I'd like to find a collection of all the annuals, if they are out there in PDF form... or reprinted in some way. Anyone know where one could find such a gem? Oh and I missed you all. Good to be back. Love you all. Have a fantastic day.
July 2, 2011, 4:43 a.m. CST
hornorsilk indeed
by MoffatBabies
The Doctor's enthusiasm, hope, love, optimism, and curiosity are boundless and contagious. Talk about role models!
July 2, 2011, 4:49 a.m. CST
Faith is not something that comes easily for me.
by MoffatBabies
But I genuinely have faith that we will not have our Doctor taken from the airwaves this time. At least not for a very, very long time. There may be scares... even changes in personnel .. maybe even some disappointments coming our way... but they won't take Doctor Who away from us this time. It's doing too well. And it would be beyond criminal.. with repercussions.
July 2, 2011, 6:49 a.m. CST
Are the extra rules for this section some silly sort of joke?
by Smashing
That I'm just not getting or are we so precious we need our own extra rules to control the fun? How very primary school!
July 2, 2011, 7:02 a.m. CST
smashing - nope, no joke. And by and large we stick to them.
by sam jacksons wig
primary school? Nope, just a code of conduct we all agreed to. Check out the other forums on here. Carnage. None of us want that. So, yeah, a bit precious. Keeps the trolls and arseholes away.
July 2, 2011, 7:14 a.m. CST
the rules
by Rebel Scumb
Yeah I see the rules not so much as something that without which the regulars would run amuch (although obviously we all have to adhere to them). To me the regulars would follow that code even if it wasn't in place (or at least the eternal optimist in me would like to believe so), but to me the rules are there because it's allowed us to effectively filter out all the trolls, psychos and hatemongers (of all variety) that quickly infected almost every other talkback.
July 2, 2011, 7:16 a.m. CST
theme song
by Rebel Scumb
I'll try and post the version me and my friend meghan did a few months ago on youtube or something, so you guys can check it out. I only have an mp3 of it, and not really sure how else I would post it.
July 2, 2011, 7:44 a.m. CST
The original Tom Baker titles
by kwisatzhaderach
are by far the best. Classic.
July 2, 2011, 7:46 a.m. CST
Headless Dorium == Flesh and ... MOVTUC ...
by veteran_of_mu
Come on Jawshco & Doctortom, here you have a noted coward and astute judge of character who knows the headless monks very well ... rushing into their arms like a newb? Don't be silly. Obviously that Dorium was just a flesh avatar. Nothing timey-wimey about that. Now what IS timey-wimey is MOV coming on here and trumpeting "all is well" and "trust Moff 100%" etc. prior to any announcement from the powers that be. A few docs back I did challenge MOV to provide proof by way of spoilers that he's not MOFF, and he appeared not to take me up on it. Dare I suggest that his first post in this thread is a foreshadow of stuff we're about to hear ... so that a certain show runner can prove black is white and get killed on the next zebra crossing? Who is this MOV person anyway? Only time will tell. If the silence does not lift we can safely regard MOV as an optimist of psychotic proportions. If it does lift ... well the great man had to stay in touch with the fans somewhere, did he not?
July 2, 2011, 7:49 a.m. CST
rebel- get it posted! Let's check it out!!!
by sam jacksons wig
July 2, 2011, 7:50 a.m. CST
Headless monks as allegory
by veteran_of_mu
Gotta think at least some of Moff's metaphors are veiled. Maybe headless monks refers to BBC management?
July 2, 2011, 8:21 a.m. CST
Moffat keeps in touch with fandom via Twitter.
by V'Shael
July 2, 2011, 8:22 a.m. CST
@Smashing - The extra rules allow the ban hammer to be wielded
by V'Shael
pretty quickly against the trolls that seem curiously drawn to hunt down Docbacks and piss in everyones tea.
July 2, 2011, 8:43 a.m. CST
And the ban hammer has been wielded to epic effect.....
by sam jacksons wig
..can't say they weren't warned, can they? Oh well..
July 2, 2011, 8:53 a.m. CST
MOV has stated thatt he is NOT the Moff and I believe him..
by sam jacksons wig
..as for who he is I think that question is rather unimportant. We really don't need to know that. However, he does come onto these TBs and claim to have insider knowledge into things WHO. What gets my goat are the messages that elude to further knowledge not to be imparted, and the (please forgive my phraseology here, I mean no offence) smart-arsery that tags along with it. (and we are all guilty of rubbing others noses in shit when we suspectt we are ahead of the curve- just some of us learn from it and move on.) I would rather nothing said at all than all of the cloak and dagger nonsense like **** If there *are* changes afoot at the BBC regarding Doctor Who**** why the stars around are, matey? Why point specifically to that word? It's a powerful word used in a sentence with the conotations you are implying. If you can't say and you DO know, then hey, we are all adults here and we do understand. Point is, just don't throw it out there in the first place as it raises MORE questions and causes more turmoil, especially when you are asking for calm. That will make a few of us totally lose it. And I'm just glad I am the voice of reason before *others* come on here and is slightly more forthcoming. And I aint eluding to that, I know that for certain.
July 2, 2011, 8:56 a.m. CST
and IS slighly more forthcoming? WTF has happened to my grammar there??? Erm.. singular..pleural.... NOOO!!!! They is confusing!!!
by sam jacksons wig
July 2, 2011, 9:12 a.m. CST
MOV's always polite, often funny,in his kind of specific vagueness and denials and I like him loads...
by notspock2
July 2, 2011, 9:12 a.m. CST
Flesh and Stone Cleric logo.
by Warren Howarth
Rewatched Flesh and Stone last night and found something i would not have noticed on the first 10 times i rewatched after it aired and i bought the Blu-Ray. The Cleric uniform that River is wearing has the same logo on the arm (the 'Omega' looking symbol) that is splashed all over Demons Run station in AGMGTW. I still hold on to the notion that Omega is returning and a-la-Eric Roberts Master in the McGann episode is looking to take over a Time Lord body (liitle girl/Melody Pond anyone?) so he can live again. I love speculation...
July 2, 2011, 9:18 a.m. CST
I think one of the reasons the Omega rumours won't go away...
by Rebel Scumb
is if they were going to bring in a big baddie from the classic series who we haven't seen in the new series yet, Omega seems the most likely candidate. And I'd be all for it. After all the first classic story I ever watched was 'the 3 doctors'!
July 2, 2011, 9:19 a.m. CST
sam: re: theme song
by Rebel Scumb
I'm working on getting it posted. Just trying to figure out the best way to do so. Anyone more internet savvy then myself know a good way to post an mp3?
July 2, 2011, 9:20 a.m. CST
by Rebel Scumb
I would say you knew me at my best
July 2, 2011, 9:20 a.m. CST
Rebel Scum
by Warren Howarth
You not thought of sticking it on Sound Cloud mate?
July 2, 2011, 9:21 a.m. CST
Rebel Scumb
by Warren Howarth
Sorry mispelt your name there, very careless of me :)
July 2, 2011, 9:21 a.m. CST
devilgoblins - If only!! I love speculation too, but....(speculative spoiler?)
by sam jacksons wig
...as we have discussed before, this seasons big bad will probably turn out to be the Doc himself. After AGMGTW, it seems to be pointing in that direction.
July 2, 2011, 9:21 a.m. CST
stupid talkback malfunctions. My last post got truncated
by Rebel Scumb
What that was meant to say was, that it's cool that the badass cleric from 'flesh and stone' is now Jorah Mormont on Game of Thrones his final words to the doctor were pretty awesome last words.
July 2, 2011, 9:21 a.m. CST
by frozen01
Funny you should say that. I have decided just this morning that I will eventually subject myself to TF3... but ONLY to watch my beloved Chicago get torn to pieces ;) I decided this after I saw an update from a friend who was a production assistant (I think? I try not to ask her about work for fear that she'll never shut up about it afterwards) and they're having a screening for the crew this morning (starts in 10 minutes, actually). What's the one thing she mentions? The carnage ;) That must've been amazing to see first-hand during filming.
July 2, 2011, 9:23 a.m. CST
no worries about the name devilgoblins
by Rebel Scumb
I had never heard of sound cloud but I will check it out posthaste!
July 2, 2011, 9:25 a.m. CST
by frozen01
Yes, dammit, we are special ;) But seriously... you were here when the DocBacks were relatively small, with a fairly centralized core of regulars. It was nice. Then we got attention, and people flooded in and it was threatening to become... not so nice. I'm glad AICN is doing what they can to preserve a pleasant Doctor Who community on their website without completely going dictator on all their TBs. I've seen people bitch on other TBs (and this one) about how the DocBacks get so much attention and how there are so many of them. Let them bitch. We've got a good thing going on here :)
July 2, 2011, 9:26 a.m. CST
Sam - grudgingly agreed - *slight spoilery stuff*
by Warren Howarth
Aye, you're probably right. It's definately looking like the 'Flesh' Avatars/Clones aren't going away (as there appears to be at least 2 Amy's in 'Lets Kill Hitler'. Its either going to be the Doctor who's the big Big Bad or his clone. Hope not though :)
July 2, 2011, 9:27 a.m. CST
okay, it's up on soundcloud
by Rebel Scumb
I believe this link should work: http://soundcloud.com/mpop314/dr-who-theme-covered-by-meghan#
July 2, 2011, 9:29 a.m. CST
What still bugs me about the use of the Flesh this season
by Rebel Scumb
Is that they devoted 2 episodes to really hammering in the idea that the flesh were living people who deserved the same rights as everyone else. then the doctor just callously killed the Amy flesh. It just seemed a bit.. I dunno, not right.
July 2, 2011, 9:41 a.m. CST
some nice bits from the latest Empire mag article regarding the impending DVD/Blu release....
by sam jacksons wig
(and I quote) When did Doctor Who start working in seasons rather than series? When did it get so sleek, so desirable? Were we too busy hiding behind the sofa to notice an elegance, an upgrading, a shift from the loveable teatime clutter of old- a universe populated by second tier character actors plotting dominium from beneath the pork crackling of BBC prosthetics- to this gleaming new beast, doyen of primetime Saturdays? When did it get this good? Exec producer Stephen Moffat, widely regarded as the best Who thinker around, has grasped its potential as the perfectly designed television programme. "It is designed to stay fresh." That season 6 of the shows resurrection is repelling cosmic villainy with such swagger is down to Moffats intuition and Matt Smiths resplendent oddness as the Doctor. RTD rebooted the formula for a contemporary audience, giving us vigour and humour, but by the end of David Tennants tenure the show was sinking into a mire of soap operatics, more concerened with the befuddlement of human relationships than the far flung mysteries of time and space. Moffats key has been to gaze both forwards and back in time. To build upon the American model for TV drama- A story covering the entire season as well as B stories lasting no more than an episode or two. Moffat conceives A story and inserts hints into B plots. "I look for where the hints might benefit that story," he explains; the sly moments when an eye patch lady opens a hatch from a future episode to peer into the now. Gone are the old six parters, taking three episodes for Davros to throw a wobbler. "the pace of TV has changed and increased. People absorb things quicker." He is not to be harried by Who-bores demanding more focus on the Doctors 900-odd year history. "I don't feel I owe anybody anything," he smarts." Where it's relevant, I'll do it. People yhink of it as one show. No-one ever calls Matt the third Doctor." SJW ASIDE HERE- NO, we call him the 11th!!! hahahahahaha! Back to the narrative!!! Indeed, the joys of the moffat era lie in his talent for melding tradition to a modern style of TV. He is not the iconoclast Davies tried to be. This means more than springing the odd Sontaran from the store cupboard (he bravely sent the Daleks on sabbatical.) Moffatt has re-instated the aura of infinite possibility that allowed early Doctors to overcome their ramshackle backdrops. He trusts our imaginations. And there are flickers, modulated moments, when a timelords dark power wells to the surface. Forget Daleks. the Doctor, in Moffats key theme is the most dangerous creature in the universe. This is a series at once coisily familiar and cosmically terrifying. Hope you enjoyed that!!! It's most of what was printed. It goes on to rave about Smith and his utter disbelief that he was interviewed for Vogue about the Doc. BBC- this programme is BIG. Please for the love of God don't fuck about with it!!!
July 2, 2011, 9:44 a.m. CST
Amy flesh was an avatar
by veteran_of_mu
To make the flesh into a separate individual you need a super duper solar storm. Otherwise it's just an avatar technology exactly as Dorium sold it to Kovarian. As for MOV, yes I'm also suggesting he's not Moff. Hence his spoiling good news that Moff would never spoil on account of Moff hates spoilers. As for the Who intro, +1 to Tom Baker's version. It's not that the modern effects are bad - they're just not as good as that.
July 2, 2011, 9:51 a.m. CST
caractacuspotts: that isn't what was established in 'the rebel flesh/almost people'
by Rebel Scumb
They went to great lengths to show that all of the Flesh in use, not just the solar storm affected ones were alive, and conscious. remember when they found that big pile of deformed flesh, or the fact that they wanted to go liberate all the currently in use Flesh, the over a million at use in India. Or the whole busines of the eyes asking "why?!" the solar storm had nothing to do with the flesh being alive, only provided them oppurtunity to rebel
July 2, 2011, 9:59 a.m. CST
Rebel Scumb - Can't find the track
by Warren Howarth
Had a shuftie for the track using the link, but it doesn't appear to be working or has not been posted in a public area mate.
July 2, 2011, 10:04 a.m. CST
Torchwood Talkback?
by Warren Howarth
Are we likely to be getting a Torchwood talkback, or would it make more sense to have it as part of the weekly Docbacks? Still grates on me that they aren't broadcasting it on the same day in the UK as they are over in the states. Its like the 5 Doctors all over again. Will be interesting to see what the additional scenes are for both countries though.
July 2, 2011, 10:05 a.m. CST
sam jacksons wig
by MoffatBabies
thanks for that, great article.
July 2, 2011, 10:08 a.m. CST
Yes, the Baker opening.
by MoffatBabies
For lack of a better word, when I was a kid seeing that on PBS.... it was very alien and almost forbidden feeling. Like I was looking at something not really meant for my consumption. Just wish I could remember more about those old episodes. It seems like they stopped airing them in my old area as quickly as they started.
July 2, 2011, 10:09 a.m. CST
Confirmed title for s6 episode 9...
by sam jacksons wig
...has gone from the amazingly titled What are little boys made of? to the boringly ordinary Night Terrors.
July 2, 2011, 10:11 a.m. CST
rebel- the flesh......
by sam jacksons wig
....."and knowing what we know I'll try to be as humane as possible..." Put simply, the Doc wanted Amy back, for her to realise the predicament she was in, and the only way to do it was to make the very hard decision to kill the flesh avatar. My own belief is that it will further the realisation that the Doc is potentially turning a bit nasty. Love it!!!
July 2, 2011, 10:13 a.m. CST
moffatbabies - no bother mate!!!
by sam jacksons wig
July 2, 2011, 10:16 a.m. CST
Frozen- now for a bit of unsavoury news....
by sam jacksons wig
... I have seen the abortion that is TF3. AAAAGGGHHHH!!!! To my eternal shame and damnation! There was no excuse for it! I hate Bay (and will not clog this thread up with his uselessness) suffice to say I didn't have that great a time... my eldest daughter did. I sat there looking like I had sucked on a sherbert lemon full of shit. Missed you!!! Stay bloody put this time!!!
July 2, 2011, 10:18 a.m. CST
devilgoblins- don't be so dejected matey...!!!...
by sam jacksons wig
..still loads more cool stuff to come, including the super secretive episodes 12 and 13 that are so super secretive they actually don't really exist. The Omega warped them into a black hole....
July 2, 2011, 10:23 a.m. CST
rebel- linkie no goodie matey!! Me want to listenie!! ;))
by sam jacksons wig
July 2, 2011, 10:25 a.m. CST
My favourite rendition of the theme...
by moody by nature
July 2, 2011, 10:34 a.m. CST
Amy Pond intro
by Casey4147
Yeah, it's in the US and apparently Canadian versions, but it's not in the iTunes downloads, which I was slightly disappointed in. Be interesting to see if it turns up in the DVD release.
July 2, 2011, 10:35 a.m. CST
Just realized how much happiness DocBacks add to my week.
by The Transformed Man
July 2, 2011, 10:39 a.m. CST
the Amy Pond intro
by The Transformed Man
It's odd, but I kind of hope it's at least an option on the DVD. Although it's completely unnecessary for experienced viewers, it kind of reminds me of the intro for the early episodes of Buffy or the exposition panel at the beginning of a comic that explains the character's deal.
July 2, 2011, 10:40 a.m. CST
Sixties Belgian Jazz!!! Oh fuck i have just ruptured something laughing!!! Moody- cheers for the link!!
by sam jacksons wig
July 2, 2011, 10:45 a.m. CST
Then cop a load of the cheesefest that is this!!!!
by sam jacksons wig
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nCOywE82jR4 Enjoy a befuddled looking audience as they are set upon by... well... have a gander.
July 2, 2011, 10:53 a.m. CST
The original Tom Baker title sequence was the best so far, and the theme tune was at its best then too.
by highfunctioningsociopath
The sinister, psychedelic vortex and the spooky, throbbing synth lines shit all over the CGI Tardis tumbling down the Stargate wormhole and the cheesy, brassy orchestration.
July 2, 2011, 10:54 a.m. CST
by The Transformed Man
I think last year's proms were an extra on the "Christmas Carol" DVD. Lots of fun. I think my favourite part is where Matt Smith came running into the audience in character and picked some little kid to help him diffuse a bomb. You can see that kid's whole life peaking.
July 2, 2011, 10:58 a.m. CST
the Tom Baker opening
by The Transformed Man
There really is something alien about it. I have the same reaction to it even now as an adult who has seen several versions of the opening post-Baker. That's probably my favourite, as much as I love the Eccleston-Tennant-Smith openings. And Baker is a case where they nailed just the right photo of him. None of the other openings with a shot of the Doctor's mug worked that well for me. And it just got worse with all the winking and nonsense in later seasons.
July 2, 2011, 11:11 a.m. CST
by maelstrom_ZERO
...and this is coming from a person that's only been exposed to the New Who--I feel that the music from the S4 intro was the best. I'm actually the kind of guy that doesn't really care much about intros. I'll *maybe* watch it once just to see what it's like, but I generally skip through them--and this applies to generally everything I watch, from anime to TV shows. But I remember when I was first slogging through the first 5 seasons of New Who, and halfway through S4, I just let the video run since I was partially bust doing something else. . . . . .AND OH MY GOD. The intro music was INCREDIBLE. It wasn't the cheesy synth-heavy composition of the first 3 seasons. There was this amazing bass line driven by cellos, and real brass. . .just amazing orchestral stuff supporting that classic synthy Who theme. I'm actually kind of disappointed they didn't use that S4 theme for S5/6 of Who. I actually hated the S5 theme tremendously when I first heard it, but after a while, it kind of grows on you.
July 2, 2011, 11:17 a.m. CST
Sam Jacksons wig
by Rebel Scumb
yeah I'm not sure how to make it work, can't make hyde nor hair of this sound cloud deally
July 2, 2011, 11:21 a.m. CST
You're welcome sam!
by moody by nature
Wasn't sure it anyone else had seen it before - I'm a huge Bailey fan - and it always makes me laugh! I know I'm in the minority here, but since this talk-back is the bastion of goodwill I know all opinions are respected! I have to say I've always loved 7th's theme. It's probably because that's the era I grew up in, but I love the pulse of it, the use of the middle 8, the slight weirdness to the sound. For 7 year old me that electronic burst at the beginning sent my heart racing. Then Mel showed up. Sigh...
July 2, 2011, 11:59 a.m. CST
Torchwood talkbacks
by DoctorTom
I'd say keep them in a separate thread. That way talk about the Torchwood series can be concentrated in that thread while we have our weekly Docbacks here.
July 2, 2011, 12:02 p.m. CST
Caractuspotts, I agree with you
by DoctorTom
Someone who's such a devout coward as Dorium wouldn't make the second greatest error known to man (the first being never get involved in a land war in Asia) - don't trust religious fanatics coming at you while uttering a war chant, even if you've done business with them before. It wouldn't surprise me if there was an escape clause like a Flesh avatar to get him back. Then again, I'm leaning more to the Dorium appearance in ep 13 being something that took place before ep 7. If it were up to me, Dorium would still be alive and have his own spinoff series.
July 2, 2011, 12:06 p.m. CST
Just watched "Doctor Who in America" again last night
by DoctorTom
(a special made for BBC America) and something caught my attention - a comment by the director that Moffat gave him a couple of extra pages to film while out West and asked him to film them. The director didn't understand what the pages meant and Moffat told him "you will". I'm sure this will all be linking up with the Silent that was spying on the Doctor's picnic.
 I also had forgotten that Matt Smith said there will be things in episodes 12 and 13 that will go back and link with things we've seen in episode 1 of Season 5. I'm sure he's talking about the cracks, but it makes me wonder about that figure we briefly saw dashing through young Amy's house, or if it might relate to the 1990 we saw on Rory's hospital badge.
July 2, 2011, 12:11 p.m. CST
If someone has an email address I can send the MP3 to...
by Rebel Scumb
I'd be happy to do so. Someone who hopefully isn't such an internet ludite as myself and knows how to host these things so others can check it out otherwise I'll ask my friend when I see her on tuesday see if she can get it up somewhere
July 2, 2011, 12:17 p.m. CST
that figure dashing through young Amy's house
by The Transformed Man
Moffat said in a commentary it was the Doctor. It was meant to be him in "The Big Bang" running back through his time line, but they screwed up and had him wearing his raggedy Doctor outfit and not his regular outfit. I guess that element could be repurposed.
July 2, 2011, 12:22 p.m. CST
Rebel Scumb
by Warren Howarth
You can fire it over to mine mate if you want, and i can give it a go on soundcloud or something else ? firstname.lastname@example.com
July 2, 2011, 2:04 p.m. CST
Okay, just something that has been buzzing around my head like an annoying little fly...
by sam jacksons wig
...The Silents (for want of a better term- I hate calling them that! I still don't think that they are!) have one Amy Pond trussed up on a table thingy in Day of the Moon. We have already seen Madame Korvarian have a gander through the porthole, only then none of us knew who she really was or where. It has been speculated that she is in league with the Silents, but how come if all they have trussed up is Amys flesh Avatar and not the real jobbie? Were they unaware of this development? It seems too blase to just brush this off. If they were in cahoots why capture a flesh drone? What would be the point?
July 2, 2011, 2:27 p.m. CST
thanks devilgoblins
by Rebel Scumb
I'll send it right now
July 2, 2011, 2:28 p.m. CST
Sam Jackson's wig
by Rebel Scumb
I'm also hoping we get some more explanation as to the connection between Madame Korvarian, the Silents, and the voice at the end of The Big Bang saying "silents will fall"
July 2, 2011, 2:54 p.m. CST
by Renee Knowles
-RTD rebooted the formula for a contemporary audience, giving us vigour and humour, but by the end of David Tennants tenure the show was sinking into a mire of soap operatics, more concerened with the befuddlement of human relationships than the far flung mysteries of time and space.- Perfect description of the RTD era. (frozen01)
July 2, 2011, 2:56 p.m. CST
by Renee Knowles
Nice screen name :) (frozen01)
July 2, 2011, 3 p.m. CST
Rebel ScumB
by Warren Howarth
July 2, 2011, 3:01 p.m. CST
Rebel Scumb - Mail Sent
by Warren Howarth
Damn my over pressy fingers. Hopefully the link i sent you should work mate, lemme know.
July 2, 2011, 3:01 p.m. CST
Sam - on the Silents
by DoctorTom
I'm not sure that they're necessarily in league with Kovarian and the Church. I keep coming back to the bit in The Impossible Astronaut with the Silent telling Amy to tell the Doctor what he must know and what he must never know. I'm guessing the "what he must know" is that she's pregnant, and the "what he must never know" is that he died (which suggests that this Silent might have been on the hill, then also travelled back to 1969 - maybe he hopped a ride in the TARDIS). If the Silents really are in league with the Church, then why tip off the Doctor that Amy is pregnant? Is it just to keep the timeline of River being raised by the Silents functioning?
July 2, 2011, 3:13 p.m. CST
by Rebel Scumb
I tend to think the church was just caught up in the conflict without any real stake in it. A lot of people criticized that the church soldiers were portrayed as incompetent in aGMGtW, but to me that was sort of the point. Aside from the fact that doctor who side characters are often a bit goofy and inept, the church army was meant as a big diversion to trick the doctor and make him think he'd won.
July 2, 2011, 3:13 p.m. CST
Doctor Who theme cover
by Rebel Scumb
Okay, the awesomely helpful devilgoblin helped me out, so here is the track: http://snd.sc/mrx848 Enjoy!
July 2, 2011, 3:20 p.m. CST
by Rebel Scumb
I think that quote is more or less correct, although for me if Tennant had regenerated at the end of the series 4 finale there would be little if anything to complain about. For me that finale brought that storyline to its peak, and having all the companions of the RTD era together was very touching. The specials afterwards, while not devoid of enjoyable moments, just feel like that story overstaying it's welcome, and never rise to the same heights as series 3 and 4 did, which to me are still the high point of new-Who. Such a big part of pulling off a great story is knowing when to step away. I don't blame tennant or RTD for sticking around after, it must of been fun and a lot of wish fullfillment to do the show (since they were both big fans before they were ever involved in the production), but I stand by my belief that Tennant regenerating into Smith at the end of 'journey's end' would of been pitch perfect. Even better would be that if instead of having the 2 tennants we had had Smith and Tennant at the same time for the last episode, would of been truly classic. Then when the human tennant went off with Rose at the end, it would feel like the 'real' tennant was going with her.
July 2, 2011, 3:26 p.m. CST
v'shael -- the translation
by HornOrSilk
I still suggest that it means another TARDIS is nearby. I could be wrong.
July 2, 2011, 3:26 p.m. CST
Going back to S5E1 SPOILERS
by HornOrSilk
We know young Amy and young Rory will show up this season.
July 2, 2011, 3:29 p.m. CST
Rebel - that's not quite true
by DoctorTom
Madame Kovarian meant for the Church army to be a big diversion, with the Headless Monks being the main threat. The Church army itself didn't know that it was to be a diversion, so would be expected to act normally. And you'd expect the army to be a little bit better than that.
July 2, 2011, 3:34 p.m. CST
true, but...
by Rebel Scumb
Even most of the tough baddies on doctor who are a bit silly, like the daleks and cybermen and whatnot. I just took it that this was the church soldiers at their best, which just turns out to not be very good. So to clarify I didn't meant that the church were being purposely incompetent because they knew they were just a diversion. Just that they were to begin with not very slick, and were chosen by Korvarian for that very reason. But yeah, I get what you mean.
July 2, 2011, 3:45 p.m. CST
sam jackson's wig...
by Rebel Scumb
thanks for your patience, here's the song link: http://snd.sc/mrx848
July 2, 2011, 3:52 p.m. CST
Rebel -- it reminds me of this version of the theme
by HornOrSilk
July 2, 2011, 3:58 p.m. CST
by Renee Knowles
Actually, I think the specials were RTD getting back to the sci-fi and the story. I loved them. I didn't like all the companions getting back together, it felt cheesy, distracting, and shoehorned in for no reason. It's the stuff just up to that... most of Martha's episodes, some of Rose's... that were too soap opera for my liking. All the romance and the broken families and all that... I could do without. I reeeeeally didn't like the "human" Doctor going off to live happily ever after with Rose. That, to me, was THE cheesiest point of new Who. I would have been happier if they'd had Donna and Martha as simultaneous companions in S3 (minus all Martha's family woes and moping about the Doctor not loving her), done half of S4 with just Donna, and finished out S4 with the specials (minus the jumping out of the spaceship part), so we could keep that lovely (in a heartbreaking way) scene in End of Time with Wilf and the four knocks.
July 2, 2011, 4:01 p.m. CST
Oh, and sammy
by Renee Knowles
I'll do my best to stick around. Life's been quite busy lately, and now we're properly into summer it's just gonna get worse. But I'll try... especially if it means you'll come mow my lawn :P (*gasp* I'll only get to say that for two more months! I'm moving back into an apartment at the end of summer.) (frozen01)
July 2, 2011, 4:09 p.m. CST
Soundcloud Linky
by Warren Howarth
For anyone who had a looksee at Rebel Scumbs theme and was wondering wtf the other sound files on my Soundcloud page. They were questions for a competition for the upcoming 'Ace - DVD Boxset' released next year. Still no word on whether i got on the commentary track, but when i mailed 2-Entertain to ask, they said it would be a surprise and i would have to wait and see. The buggers!
July 2, 2011, 4:10 p.m. CST
hornorsilk: the version you shared is awesome!
by Rebel Scumb
I love how creepy and ominous it is! Makes me wish they would do a new version for each year, so that we could get as many varieties as possible. Here's a pretty decent Mario Paint version: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eyLiyO1qAyM&feature=related
July 2, 2011, 4:13 p.m. CST
protocol417: I did like the wilf stuff in the end of time...
by Rebel Scumb
But I for one like having the family stories about the companions, I feel like it adds an ice layer to the show. But I started with New-Who so that might be why. I find that the more human and fleshed out the companions are, the more exciting the scifi stuff feels. Part of my issue with the specials is the lack of a regular companion. I need a good companion on the show for the same reason the doctor does I suppose.
July 2, 2011, 4:14 p.m. CST
Rebel -- it was from "Variations of a Theme"
by HornOrSilk
Which had four versions of the theme. I do agree with this being great, and indeed, one of my favorites from the CD (I have the square CD version of it, but it is old, and I think getting CD rot, alas). The one who did it also did the theme for Trial of a TimeLord. I agree with you, doing variations for seasons would be interesting, and if they hit the season's "style" even better. Unlike some, I really like the Trial theme. I liked it when it first was used, but BF have added to my liking of it. I think it grows on you, if you use it enough. Though the Terror version beats it.. hands down! It is a good Mario Paint version, I agree.
July 2, 2011, 4:15 p.m. CST
Wow those classic titles sucked balls
by Cash907
The faces were just creepy. And we won't even talk about the 80's "Reading Rainbow" opening. No wonder the series was cancelled after that.
July 2, 2011, 4:19 p.m. CST
On not Of
by HornOrSilk
Sorry. Variations on a Theme.
July 2, 2011, 4:21 p.m. CST
I do think the 2008 version had the best use of the oooo-EEEE-oooos
by Rebel Scumb
With the female vocalist really belting them out, especially in the closing credits.
July 2, 2011, 5:16 p.m. CST
by Renee Knowles
I also started with new Who. I think the specials worked without a companion, as a nice temporary break, but I wouldn't want that for very long. With regards to the families... Having too much involvement with their families means that we have to spend far too much time on Earth, in the same time period. I don't like that. I thought series 1 was very even-handed... we meet Rose, we get to see where she works, we meet her mum and her boyfriend (though we get a bit too much of him at times), but we get to see all sorts of places/times and all sorts of aliens. The romance between her and the Doctor is handled well, too... it's there, it's sweet, but it doesn't beat you over the head like the Tennant years sometimes did. From that point until S4 with Donna, it got worse and worse, though, until we end up with the Doctor and the companion in an actual relationship (complete with fairytale ending), and then a companion who spends her entire time whining that the Doctor doesn't pay attention to her. That's where all the soap opera stuff came to the forefront, and the Doctor became TOO human. I just don't think we need romantic involvement between the Doctor and the companion, and an annoying dysfunctional family hovering in the background, to have a fleshed-out character. This is why Donna is my favorite companion. She has a likable family in Wilf (her mum's not too bad, but RTD seemed to have this thing where no one's mother could be anything but irritating) and there is no romance between her and the Doctor; just a good friendship. No soap opera crap. I really liked that.
July 2, 2011, 5:30 p.m. CST
smashing - the code of conduct
by Seph_J
is there for a reason and consists of rules that have been adhered to by most in these docbacks for years. Generally it ensures that each docback is actually worth reading from beginning to end - you can't say that about many talkbacks on this site.
July 2, 2011, 5:39 p.m. CST
I do agree about Donna.
by Rebel Scumb
She was great. Even more so because I (and I think most people) hated her so much when she was introduced in the Runaway Bride, the way they were able to turn her around into in many ways, the ultimate companion. Her resolution in 'journey's end' is absolutely heartbreaking, much worse than if she had died. Of all the RTD era characters, she's the one I hope makes a reappearance at some point in the current run.
July 2, 2011, 6:02 p.m. CST
protocol417 Regarding companions
by The Transformed Man
I completely agree with you. Donna was my favourite of the RTD assistants. Wilf might have been the best character he created. I never had a living grandfather, and he's very close to what I always expected one would be like.
July 2, 2011, 6:04 p.m. CST
Wilf reminds me a lot of one of my two grandfathers
by Rebel Scumb
actually its funny, the two old men on the muppet show in the balcony always heckling the muppets look exactly like my 2 grandfathers.
July 2, 2011, 6:04 p.m. CST
by Renee Knowles
You know what's strange? I agree with you... and yet the thought had never even crossed my mind before. Ya know, Donna never saw a regeneration... her reaction to the new Doctor would be PRICELESS :)
July 2, 2011, 6:05 p.m. CST
As much as I loved Donna
by The Transformed Man
I could have done without all that Doctor Donna business.
July 2, 2011, 6:10 p.m. CST
The doctor should take a snip of Donna's red hair, and a snip of Amy's
by Rebel Scumb
Hold them tight when he regenerates next, maybe then he will finally become the ginger doctor he so covets!
July 2, 2011, 6:18 p.m. CST
thetransformedman - Ditto / Rebel - LOL!
by Renee Knowles
July 2, 2011, 6:50 p.m. CST
The best Dr. Who theme...
by BiggusDickus
...is the one you make yourself! Once more for those who missed it... http://tinyurl.com/b5b8b
July 2, 2011, 6:54 p.m. CST
A friend of mine has a theory about the big bad.
by The Transformed Man
And it's an interesting one. http://tinyurl.com/6bk4ype
July 2, 2011, 7:02 p.m. CST
by BiggusDickus
That's not Omega. THIS is Omega! http://tinyurl.com/6l77wjl 'The Three Doctors' version is still the best. The later one had a head like a stylised Christmas Tree bauble...
July 2, 2011, 7:20 p.m. CST
Biggus - Omega
by Warren Howarth
Have to agree with you on that one mate, but both his incarnations had crap henchmen. I mean, blobby Gel Guards and a giant chicken?
July 2, 2011, 7:37 p.m. CST
biggus, devilgoblins
by The Transformed Man
I bought "The Three Doctors" recently (along with a pile of other classic episodes) and have been putting off that particular one. I watched it a couple of years ago, and I wanted to save it for awhile, like a special occasion or something, but maybe I'll go ahead and do it tonight! "So you're my replacements? A dandy and a clown?"
July 2, 2011, 8:13 p.m. CST
How To Make Independent Flesh
by veteran_of_mu
1) have an independent person control the flesh using either a sonic screwdriver or one of those big metal beds. 2) disrupt the control signal either by accident (solar storm) or on purpose (flesh is maimed but not dead and you want to discard it). 3) ? 4) Profit! (3) includes tracing eyeballs on walls etc. So when the Doc zapped flamy he didn't have to worry about killing an independent being. She wasn't - yet. But agreed it was quite ruthless given she could have become independent ... then again there's a big puddle o' flesh on the tardis floor that can still become independent ... As for why the Silents kidnapped flamy, it was in order to trick the doctor into taking her along. And they would have got away with it if it hadn't been for the Doctor's meddling pregnancy scan. The notion of the Silents hitching rides throughout history in the TARDIS is very interesting. The Doctor himself then would be responsible for spreading them though time and space. They're time roaches.
July 2, 2011, 8:14 p.m. CST
by BiggusDickus
So you're my replacements? A dandy and a clown?
July 2, 2011, 8:14 p.m. CST
rebel scumb (the theme cover)
by MoffatBabies
AWESOMELY moody version. Love it. Made me want to know what a mashup of the Who theme and the STYLE of the original Star Trek series theme would sound like. Imagine a female voice singing the melody part rather than a theramin-type sound. Someone should do that. I can't, don't have the voice for it. lol. Great job. I'll save that forever.
July 2, 2011, 8:14 p.m. CST
Ace line!
by BiggusDickus
July 2, 2011, 8:19 p.m. CST
by MoffatBabies
That's fun!!! A little more actual control over it and I would be stuck on it for hours.
July 2, 2011, 8:21 p.m. CST
One thing I REALLY hope they DON'T do...
by BiggusDickus
...is an 'Eleven Doctors' thing. Jeez, that would suck! Do the 'Three Doctors' again with Ecclestone, Tennant and Smith. Hell, have McGann in it too if you REALLY want to inspire a geekgasm, but eleven doctors? No, sorry - overkill...
July 2, 2011, 8:21 p.m. CST
by MoffatBabies
Love that Omega design. Reminds me of a creepy Mayan statue god or something.
July 2, 2011, 8:29 p.m. CST
by BiggusDickus
I was seven when 'The Three Doctors' aired, but it was intense enough to burn itself into my geeky little brain. By the time 'The Five Doctors' came around, I was cynical enough to tell the difference. I really hope they DON'T do an 'Eleven Doctors' special. A 'revised 'Three Doctors' would be more than ample!
July 2, 2011, 8:30 p.m. CST
Jon Pertwee sang/spoke (Sprechgesang?)
by stv
on this version of the theme in 1972 Lyrics: I cross the void beyond the mind The empty space that circles time I see where others stumble blind To seek a truth they never find Eternal wisdom is my guide I am the Doctor Through cosmic waste the TARDIS flies To taste the secret source of life A presence science can't deny exists Within, outside, behind The latitude of human minds I am the Doctor My voyage dissects the course of time "Who knows?" you say - but are you right? Who searches deep to find the light That glows so darkly in the night Toward that point I guide my flight As fingers move to end mankind Metallic teeth begin to grind With sword of truth I turn to fight The satanic powers of the night Is your faith before your mind? Know me - am I the Doctor? http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZLXOO9PnnMQ
July 2, 2011, 8:53 p.m. CST
thanks moffatbabies! I'll pass along all the kind words to my friend!
by Rebel Scumb
If anyone is interested to check out any of her other stuff, her website is: www.meghanmorrisonmusic.com She gets compared to Alanis Morrisette and the Cranberries a lot. Not sure if that's anyones cup of tea or not, but she's also gotten into scoring indie films recently. We also do a weekly webshow hosting local (toronto area) bands of all musical styles.
July 2, 2011, 8:53 p.m. CST
by I am_NOTREAL
I was proud of myself when I nailed him ad the big bad in "Arc of Infinity" way back when...didnt he buy it in that episode???
July 2, 2011, 8:55 p.m. CST
rebel scumb
by MoffatBabies
Nice, I'll check it out. Might be able to get her music heard by a few extra thousand ears if she has a new/current track available.
July 2, 2011, 8:59 p.m. CST
by Rebel Scumb
I completely understand why you think an 11 doctors would be a mess. and maybe it would be. I still really hope they do one though for the 50th anniversary. If they are ever going to do it, now is the time. And it can be tongue and cheek and doesn't have to be a huge episode that effects the mythology. I just think it would be really amusing. But I would settle for a 'the 4 doctors' going from Mcgann to smith, that would be fine. But I just would really admire the producers for going all out and doing all 11 at once. Part of what I love about the show is its ridiculous kitchensink efforts, and that would really be an all out crazy story. Even if it's disasterously bad, it never be forgettable. As I've mentioned in previous docbacks, I would have McCoy, Davison, McGann, Eccelston, Tennant & Smith all back. Get the real life sons of Troughton and Pertwee playing their dads, and get solid impersonators for Hartnell, Baker & Baker. If they really want to have Baker & Baker back as well, they could always play aliens or something. I'm not saying it wouldn't be tricky to write something that effectively made use of all 11 versions in the room at the same time, but on the slim chance it worked, it would be worthwhile. How many shows get to have a 50th anniversary? Might as well go batshit crazy to celebrate.
July 2, 2011, 9:03 p.m. CST
Moffatbabies: She's actually working on a new album right now.
by Rebel Scumb
Any new exposure is greatly appreciated. I know the webshow is now syndicated in New York city on another webshow and there are some american viewers now which is cool. We have a live chat for people to talk to the bands while they're on, and we have a Cyberjam at the end of each show, where all the artists jam for 5-10 minutes, and people at home can join in if they like. She'd never seen Dr. Who before I asked her to do the cover, but ended up coming over to my viewing party for Impossible astronaut/day of the moon, and quite liked it. If anyone cares, I served Jammy Dodgers with tea, and another friend brought their remote controlled Dalek (scared the crap out of my cats!) I told her that the doctor who cover could bring in some new fans, I think my exact phrasing is They come for the doctor who. But they stay for the meghan.
July 2, 2011, 9:07 p.m. CST
by I am_NOTREAL
Is he anyone else's favorite Doctor? Or am I nuts & all alone?
July 2, 2011, 9:11 p.m. CST
He's Tennant's favorite apparently. Although Tennant is banging his hot daughter so that probably helps
by Rebel Scumb
Even weird because Tennat played her dad in 'the doctor's daughter'. Who's your daddy indeed! Davison is also my brother's favorite.
July 2, 2011, 9:13 p.m. CST
by Rebel Scumb
'who's your daddy' in that context is, as I understand it, an actual example of irony, as opposed to all the incorrect uses of the word 'ironic' and 'irony' that people mostly use. That is my snooty pretentious English lesson for the day ;)
July 2, 2011, 9:27 p.m. CST
rebel scumb
by BiggusDickus
I see what you're driving at there - and Sean Pertwee is so-o-o his father's son!
July 2, 2011, 9:32 p.m. CST
i am_notreal
by BiggusDickus
No, he's my favourite, too. Partly because he perfectly portrayed a mix of vulnerable and dangerous, but mostly because he had Janet Fielding as his companion and she had big tits and was utterly filthy...
July 2, 2011, 9:33 p.m. CST
Tegan > Peri
by BiggusDickus
You know it, boys...
July 2, 2011, 9:34 p.m. CST
Which one is Tegan again?
by Rebel Scumb
Is the the Aussie bird, or that alien princess?
July 2, 2011, 9:37 p.m. CST
by I am_NOTREAL
I don't remember her that well, but I do remember that Leela turned me on back in the day. I will say Amy is fairly hot, too.
July 2, 2011, 9:37 p.m. CST
by Rebel Scumb
Yeah I watched the Starz camelot recently, which was bad, except for Eva Green. But Sean Pertwee was in it as Arthur's adoptive father, and I was startled by how much he looked like his dad. Could definitely do justice to a portrayal of the 3rd doctor, just dust off the dandy costume! Actually this comment may meet with some controversy, but if they ever do a flashback story that shows the younger version of the 1st Doctor (something we've never seen) I actually think Jamie Campbell Bower (arthur on camelot) would be an interesting choice for Dr. numero uno!
July 2, 2011, 9:39 p.m. CST
i am_notreal
by The Transformed Man
Davison was great. I don't think he's quite my favourite, but he's in my top three. And his stories were pretty solid overall. I almost have his complete run on DVD, and as soon as I have them all, I'm looking forward to having a Davison marathon.
July 2, 2011, 9:39 p.m. CST
iam_notreal, re: Leela
by Rebel Scumb
I'm actually watching 'the invasion of time' right now, and Leela is quite boner inspiring in it. Plus I love that she's the only companion who also an action hero of sorts, an interesting case of physical prowess to compliment the Doctor's intellect.
July 2, 2011, 9:41 p.m. CST
Tegan was the stroppy Auddie bird
by BiggusDickus
Big boobs, dodgy perm (thankfully redeemed by a 'bob' later) and far, far more interesting than that squealy Yank, Peri. Yes, Peri may have had the bigger rack, but Tegan was hotter! ...and then came Ace. Sheesh.
July 2, 2011, 9:41 p.m. CST
by BiggusDickus
July 2, 2011, 9:41 p.m. CST
Damn this cheap keyboard!
by BiggusDickus
July 2, 2011, 9:42 p.m. CST
Davison was my favourite when I was a kid.
by The Transformed Man
Mainly because I was straight-up frightened of Tom Baker. He intrigued me, and the fear added to the mystique, but when he turned into Davison, I was very much put at ease as a nine year old. I'm a big Tom Baker fan these days, but I still love Davison.
July 2, 2011, 9:42 p.m. CST
speaking of invasion of time...
by Rebel Scumb
everytime I see one of these storylines of classic Who that takes place on Galifrey or has lots of other timelords, it makes me appreciate how smart RTD was to destroy the timelords before the new series started. Galifrey/lots of timelords = senate of the republic/jedi order in the starwars prequels. The show and the doctor are just so much more interesting when he's the last of his kind, just like Yoda and Obi-wan were awesome in the classic starwars, but seeing thousands of Jedi, and a big senate was just so boring in the prequels The timelords always seem like douche bags to, and nothing at all like the doctor, which makes it seem hard to swallow he is even the same race. Sort like how all the admiral in starfleet on startrek are huge assholes that makes you wonder how any of them could be allies of picard and crew.
July 2, 2011, 9:43 p.m. CST
...and Amy can never be considered 'hot'.
by BiggusDickus
...not while I remain married to a moody, skinny Scottish redhead!!!
July 2, 2011, 9:45 p.m. CST
by Rebel Scumb
Yeah she was very fetching: http://doctorwhocompanions.com/files/2011/03/tegan-jovanka-janet-fielding-6.jpg Plus aussie girls and canadian guys (such as myself) go together like foreplay and sex
July 2, 2011, 9:46 p.m. CST
biggus, well if you need someone to take her off your hands so you can enjoy Amy...
by Rebel Scumb
I am a fan of the gingers!
July 2, 2011, 9:47 p.m. CST
by The Transformed Man
How has her rack never been brought to my attention before?!
July 2, 2011, 9:48 p.m. CST
I too will accept any excess Scottish ginger ladies.
by The Transformed Man
July 2, 2011, 9:55 p.m. CST
My favourite Tegan pic...
by BiggusDickus
http://tinyurl.com/6euxltd Grrr!
July 2, 2011, 9:59 p.m. CST
rebel scumb...
by BiggusDickus
...only if you take the kid and the mortgage too!
July 2, 2011, 10:08 p.m. CST
by Rebel Scumb
There's always a catch isn't there!
July 2, 2011, 11:41 p.m. CST
Watching "The Three Doctors" right now.
by The Transformed Man
Then passing out. Thanks for another fun Saturday, everyone. It is cool seeing Troughton again in this episode.
July 3, 2011, 12:13 a.m. CST
Your Tegan pic is the bomb.
by DoctorWho?
I'm sure I've 'rubbed one out' to any and all female companions of the Doctor.
July 3, 2011, 1:36 a.m. CST
At last we hear from the MOFF!!! But it raises more questions than answers....
by sam jacksons wig
Oh what a deadly web we weave when first we practice to deceive...... That's what springs to mind when reading an article in the latest edition of DWM. I will share it with you all now, and you can dechiper its contents at your leisure. It is as follows: It has been officially confirmed that Matt Smith will remain in his role of the Doctor for the next series of Docotr Who- matts third. Thgis is reassuring news for fans of the 11th Doctor- but should come as no suprise, given that we now know he will be the final incarnation of the time lord. Viewers have already seen the Doctors eventual death in The Impossible Astronaut, but this event takes place 200 years in the Doctors future, leaving plenty of time for the 11rth Doctor to have new adventures before one day facing his ultimate destiny. The BBC announcement came after recent press reports cast doubt on the series future. Following the now traditional Christmas special, which will be written By Stephen Moffat and shot this Autumn, the BBC has guaranteed 14 further episodes, which will also take in the 2012 Christmas special. The controller of BBC One, Danny Cohen, recently confirmed that some- but not all- of these episodes would be shown in 2012. The remainder will be broadcast in 2013, Whos 50th anniversary, which Cohen said would see a "special run" of the programme. DWM spoke to showrunner Stephen Moffat about the scheduling of the episodes, and the programmes long-term future. "Who's future is absolutely secure at the BBC, and infact there's MORE then we've even told you about so far," Stephen tells us. " And as for scheduling, we're not being vague, we're being secret. Who is, and remains, a major weapon in the BBCs arsenal- we don't tell the opposition when it's going to be deployed. The only thing you should read into that, is that we're not idiots." "The show is doing astonishingly well- that's the only reassurance anyone shoud ever need." There you have it DocBackers, the Moff speaks. The article raises some interesting questions, especially around rthe death of the Doctor and this being his last incarantion. There is an old Wrasslin' parlance called "kayfabe" which is keeping the workings of the business a secret and portraying that we see as reality. Isx that what we are witnessing here? Further plans for the Doc but without giving the game away that he really isn't dead?
July 3, 2011, 1:38 a.m. CST
Oh, and some other news I have have learned....
by sam jacksons wig
...The Reign of Terror is being released on DVD soon with the missing episodes replaced with animation. Sounds fucking too cool for school!!!
July 3, 2011, 1:40 a.m. CST
Frozen- I know all too well, life sometimes takes over completely...
by sam jacksons wig
...your friends here miss you and will be waiting for you whenever you decide to pop in. And for your weekly presence, yes, I will mow your lawn and use a SPORK to do it!!! SJW.
July 3, 2011, 1:45 a.m. CST
Rebel- wow!! Creepy stuff!!!!
by sam jacksons wig
It conjures up all of the nasties that have plagued the Doc over the years and has them cavorting over my psyche!!! Good stuff! I enjoyed!!!
July 3, 2011, 1:47 a.m. CST
Horn- the terror version lives up to it's name!!!
by sam jacksons wig
The intro is veeeeeeeery long, but once the theme kicks in it positively reaks of the damned! Thanks for the share!!!
July 3, 2011, 2:06 a.m. CST
doctortom/rebel- just can't shake the feeling that there's more behind the silents...
by sam jacksons wig
..than we are being led to believe. They remind me of a hive mind (Borg, if you will) controlled by one entity. Hmmmmmmm..... pondering....
July 3, 2011, 2:11 a.m. CST
biggusdickus- am liking that thar pic!!!
by sam jacksons wig
Now I just need to cunningly selotape it to a one I have of peri and HEY PRESTO!!! I shall be amused for hours.... ... or merely seconds depending how I feel.
July 3, 2011, 4:13 a.m. CST
sam - you are welcome
by HornOrSilk
Yes, it has a very long intro, which almost everyone has complained about; but once it hits its mark... it is one of the great variations (imo).
July 3, 2011, 4:14 a.m. CST
Sam -- and the Moff's words?
by HornOrSilk
Don't really reassure me. The idea that scheduling should be secret because they want to hurt their competition? Really?
July 3, 2011, 7:14 a.m. CST
Sam Jacksons wig, re: DWM article
by Rebel Scumb
well I suppose that is reassuring in that Moff at least sounds very confident in the shows future. Although a bit disconcerting that they seem to be running with the fact that smith is the final doctor. Does this mean a full reboot after he leaves? Or the son/daughter of the doctor takes over after he dies? Or just more red herrings? Also a bit odd is this notion of the doctor who show as the BBC's weapon. You don't let your enemy know what you have in the arsenal. SO does moffat regard the audience as the enemy? Because I'm hard pressed to think of how else that metaphor applies...
July 3, 2011, 7:15 a.m. CST
SJW: glad you liked the song.
by Rebel Scumb
It was a lot of fun to work on and see it come together.
July 3, 2011, 7:17 a.m. CST
on the plus side I suppose...
by Rebel Scumb
moffats words actually fit perfectly with my 'escape from death' all 11 doctors in timelord purgatory for the 50th anniversary show idea.
July 3, 2011, 7:56 a.m. CST
Now that was a fun article
by AsimovLives
I loved to see the various opening titles sequences for the different Doctor Who series. Though not all of them were that good. In fact, the 80s stuff, like like the decade itself, sucked ass! I have to admit the only Doctor Who series i have seen through and through was the first season with Matt Smith. And i loved it. i love his interpretation of the good Doctor, and i think that, like so many others, i fell inlove with Amy Pond. What a lovely lass. The actress that plays her seems to also be a good girl too. Ther eis an episode of Smith's first season where he meets Van Gogh. The seqeunce where they bring Van Gogh to the rpesent and he realsies that he will be so much mor ethen the nobody he was when alive, and that people will think of him as the best painter ever, is one of the most moving moments in TV i ever seen. It such a brilalnt moment, perfectly delivered by the acting of everybody involve, specially the actor who played Van Gogh. Fantastic piece of television. This show proves that just ebcause something is SF doesn't have to be dumbed down or cheesy. Also, i love the new theme and the opening ttiles for Matt Smith's first season. What's with the complains, anyway?
July 3, 2011, 7:57 a.m. CST
rebel scumb
by AsimovLives
Considering that the universe was rebooted in the end of Matt Smith's first season, i'd say they gave themselves a loop-hole so they can continue after Matt Smith eventually leaves the show.
July 3, 2011, 8:09 a.m. CST
We should never underestimate the cultural impact of Doctor who in british culture
by AsimovLives
Even the Queen is a big fan of the show. The whole of Britain is just one big Doctor Who convention in the shape of a whole country and islands.
July 3, 2011, 8:22 a.m. CST
So that's what MOV meant ...
by veteran_of_mu
... and we didn't even get a chance to thank him ...
July 3, 2011, 10:38 a.m. CST
asi- welcome back to the Docback you rapscalion!!!
by sam jacksons wig
Have seen you over at the TF threads beating the hell out of Bay!!! (again!!!) You are correct- Vincent and the Docotr is quite possibly the very best episode in Nu Who's run, and was THE highlight of last series. Acted beautifully, Tony Curran encapsulated the part and I admit, reduced me to a steaming rivulet of tears. The support cast, in specific Bill Nighy, was terrific, and Karen Gillan (who plays Amy Pond) managed to give a series best performance.
July 3, 2011, 10:42 a.m. CST
rebel- the weapon analogy.....
by sam jacksons wig
...I am sure it was meant in line with the competiton, not the fans. That's how I read it anyway. The biggest thing I got out that article was the final incarnation of the Doc being Matt Smith. Do I believe it? As I stated, no, I think they are just living with the episodes as matts Doc is dead and they either don't really know or don't want to spoil the suprise.
July 3, 2011, 10:47 a.m. CST
caractacuspotts - I don't think we've scared MOV off...
by sam jacksons wig
..all we did was ask him to explain his comments instead of the cloak and dagger approach. He'll be back; he's always welcome here as is anyone! Regarding "so that's what he meant"- again, did he? We don't know. He didn't bother to explain and hasn't been back since we asked him to. Will be interesting to get his spin on it though.
July 3, 2011, 11 a.m. CST
by Rebel Scumb
I guess what confused me is, what exactly is the competition for Dr. Who? It's the only scifi show left on tv at the moment.
July 3, 2011, 11:28 a.m. CST
Horn- let's break it down.... (and I don't mean that in a musical sense!)
by sam jacksons wig
BBC announce 14 new episodes for next year, info hits websites and publications. Who fans rejoice!!!! BBC then state that may not be the case as Moff needs sleep between Who and Sherlock as they clash. Private eye release a damning article about the shows future. BBC panic and begin babbling about it all "being a joke." Moff tweets the above is bullshit and is quite irrate about it all. Announcement made that it will be a truncated series in 2012 and a special series in 2013. That's all the info we get. Who fans go fucking mental at the lack of info. Info leaked that BBC has gone balistic at BBC Wales and the Who production team over an alleged decision to film less episodes. Brou-haha over TV ratings. Publications say 5 million, actual figures are between 7.5- 8 million when looked at over a week later. Guardian newspaper says the shows future is in danger. They are told to shut the fuck up. Moff tweets some more cryptic messages that answer nothing. Still silence. No official announcement apart from the departure of Piers "not interested in Who at all" Wenger. Still silence. Who fans are left to seethe and come to their own conclusions. Finally we are told 14 episodes will be made, but not all shown in 2012. One possible reason? they want to show them when it's darker so more people will be at home...... (?) Still no plausible explanation about any of this, which is a rather large FUCK YOU to the fans. Moff comes up with this Weapon and scheduling story in DWM. Why not just say that from the start? It has all been one contradiction after another and now we are expected to believe it is because they want to punk the competition? Give me a break!!! I looked at the breakdown of what beat Who in the weeks it was aired, and do you know what? Coronation Street, EastEnders, Britains Got talent...and nothing else. These will always draw more viewers, so what's with this competion nonsense? Oh, it's okay fans, we're being secretive and it's for your benefit. I have no doubt the spin put on thatt statement would be enough to send Earth hurtling around the sun twice as fast as it is. All we want to know is WHAT IS THE TRUTH? I now believe we will never get that info but will be expected to swallow a very bitter pill....and like it.
July 3, 2011, 11:32 a.m. CST
And I love this show so fucking much is the reason I am getting bent out of shape!!! We deserve better than we are getting in terms of future output.
by sam jacksons wig
We have the very best fans. Don't you think we deserve that much?
July 3, 2011, 11:40 a.m. CST
rebel- yeah, I addressed that in my uber-long post to Horn...
by sam jacksons wig
There is no other show in its demographic beating it. Eastenders, Coronation Street and Simon Fucking Cowell are the three big hitters, and Who slides in nicely behind them at number 4, between 7.5-8 million viewers. Britains got Talent trumped with nearly 11 million viewers. Either the BBC have something else planned, or we are being deceived again. I know that is a very strong statement, but hey, I feel VERY strong about it all!!! As do most of us or we wouldn't go on about it so much.
July 3, 2011, 12:14 p.m. CST
We've hit 300 posts, are now number 2 (not shit!!) but are about to get p'wned by Dark Knight footage....
by sam jacksons wig
..of Christian Bale standing on some steps. Getting wet. From far away. With no sound. Oh well.....
July 3, 2011, 12:23 p.m. CST
Sam -- Silence WIll Fall
by HornOrSilk
Well, now we know what they mean... But yes, either there is some deception going on (like my idea that the Moff is upset that people have figured out that this might be the last of Amy and Rory), or there is something bad going behind the scenes. The silence is loud. The silence is the enemy. Surely, the Moff must know!
July 3, 2011, 12:30 p.m. CST
Cheers protocol417 ;)
by highfunctioningsociopath
July 3, 2011, 12:53 p.m. CST
sam jacksons wig
by AsimovLives
Tony Curran, yeah, that's the guy who played Van Gogh. I have seen him around in other shows, like BAND OF BROTHERS and DEXTER, to name a few. His job as Van gogh in VICENT AND THE DOCTOR is amazing. I have absolutly no problem in admiting that yes, that episode, specially the gallery scene, made me cry. Fantastic!
July 3, 2011, 12:54 p.m. CST
rebel scumb
by AsimovLives
Thorchwood is returning,isn't it? And yes, i know, it's a spin-off of DOCTOR WHO, but still.
July 3, 2011, 12:57 p.m. CST
Besides, there's always BEING HUMAN
by AsimovLives
And by that i mean the Uk show. The american version is not too bad, though. But the american characters conterparts are all kinda assholes, specially the nerd dude. Which is funny, since the nerd guy in the UK show is, by far, the most sympathetic of them all.
July 3, 2011, 1 p.m. CST
And speaking of kickass BBC shows...
by AsimovLives
... i'm kissing the Earth that i stand on because TOP FUCKING GEAR RETURNS! YEAAAAHH!! TOP GEAR!!! And when do we get a second season of SHERLOCK, dammit? And when do we get a 3rd season of WALLANDER, dammit? British, get bitching, guys! I want my fix of top TV and i want it now!
July 3, 2011, 1:02 p.m. CST
Horn... do we really know what they mean?
by sam jacksons wig
Sure, the BBC and Moff don't have to justify any decisions they make regarding what is their property. I am not suggesting that they justify anything at all. What has miffed me is that along with no justification is no quality information, and that is unacceptable and two fingers to the fans. the least they could do is say, "Guys, we're having ********** problems with ******** and as a result we have made the decision to truncate the show for 2012 and give more money and priority to 2013's 50th anniversary of the show. What they DID do was bullshit at the beginning and found they had to drastically back peddle. Quickest way? STOP THE FLOW OF INFO and put a spin on what you've released. I can't see Moff getting peeved for reasons as silly as scheduling and competition. I reckon he has quite a temper on him, but to lose it over that? Doubtful. One plausible explanation is that they , the BBC, released info without consulting him first. It would piss ME off if that happened. Who knows? Doubtful we ever will.
July 3, 2011, 1:14 p.m. CST
Asi- Sherlock will air sometime in the Autumn (fall) this year.. no specific dates, but....
by sam jacksons wig
A Scandal in Belgravia, The Hounds of Baskerville and The Reichenbach Fall are he slated 3 90 minute episodes for this series. If you thought last year was good, these are top quality famous Conan Doyle adaptations. And with the title of the third and last series 2 episode, you can bet your sweet ass that it will end on the MOTHER of all Holmes cliffhangers, just in time for Downey Jr and Law to make us smile at the cinema. (yes, I enjoyed the HELL out of his portrayal of the super sleuth, and it's possibly the only Guy Ritchie movie I can stomach!!!) Looking forward to both the show and the movie very very much!!!
July 3, 2011, 2:10 p.m. CST
enjoyed...it hell yes
by Wyrdy the Gerbil
I remember watching An Unearthly Child on its original broadcast in 1963 and i dont think ive missed an episode since .. Seeing the original titles has brought back some great memories of the show ....thank you
July 3, 2011, 3:43 p.m. CST
sam jacksons wig
by AsimovLives
I haven't beena ble to summun up the nerve to watch the RDJ's Sherlock Holmes movie. And now thanks to the BBC TV show, i can't give a toss, really. I'm more then satisfied with my fill of Sherlock Holmes thanks to the BBC show.
July 3, 2011, 3:44 p.m. CST
And speaking of badass Brit shows...
by AsimovLives
... one day ineed to watch the hole of LIFE ON MARS and ASHES TO ASHES. I have only see the pilot of LIFE ON MARS so far, but it blew me away. Need to catch up.
July 3, 2011, 4:15 p.m. CST
i am_notreal
by DoctorWho?
Cool! I just finished re watching 'Invasion Of Time' too. I'm continuing into the whole 'Key To Time' series with the introduction of Romana which my wife has never seen. Pretty good stories.
July 3, 2011, 4:50 p.m. CST
I don't mind the breaks and weird scheduling
by sunspot_mike
as long as we get plenty of Doctor Who and as long as we keep getting stories that develop the characters. Since the start of Season Five, all the characters have been undergoing some cool changes. I really dig the serial aspect of the show and that it's not just reset every week. We got to have a mid-season cliffhanger this time around and that allowed for some more stuff to happen on the greater story arc. The Doctor's growing arrogance is facing consequences (he's finally paying for all the trouble he's caused in the universe), Rory is really coming into his own as a badass, and Amy's now a mother (which means she can't just run off in the TARDIS at important times like the night before her wedding.) People are growing up and the series is changing. I dunno, I like it. And if a short season followed by a special followed by another short season is what it takes to continue to grow the characters more and get the Doc involved in longer and more intricate stories, that's the kind of thing I'd like to see more of. We're living in a post-LOST and BSG (for sci-fi, but also see Mad Men, The Sopranos, Breaking Bad, etc...) age where we can handle the serial aspects of long-form television storytelling. The mythology arcs and big bads that were brought to the mainstream by Buffy and X-Files are finally coming to Doctor Who in a more mature way (Bad Wolf and Saxon had their moments, but they were more shoehorned in, while the Flesh and the cracks in the universe were actually integral to the arc.) But hey, I loved the Key to Time season and I loved the idea of Trial of a Time Lord (I still dig on The Mysterious Planet and Terror of the Vervoids in concept if not necessarily execution.) I don't really care if people can't be bothered to watch every week or the non-Whovians can't keep up. If taking these breaks means more "event" episodes where you can have bigger revelations and broader themes and character changes, well, then I'm totally okay with it.
July 3, 2011, 5:22 p.m. CST
SJW re: break down of info (or lack there of)
by Rebel Scumb
Perhaps this is what SILENTS WILL FALL means? The silence of the BBC and Moffat in answering straightforward questions...
July 3, 2011, 5:23 p.m. CST
shit, sorry hornorsilk, you beat me to the punch with the silence will fall joke
by Rebel Scumb
July 3, 2011, 5:46 p.m. CST
by MoffatBabies
You must see those shows. I actually stopped watching Ashes early on... it was a slow start. But it picks up and .. dare I say it... surpasses Life on Mars by the time it has its big finish... and what a finish it is. MUST see.
July 3, 2011, 5:47 p.m. CST
Hello DocBack!
by MoffatBabies
Hope you are all having a perfect day. Be back later.
July 3, 2011, 6:11 p.m. CST
Sounds like a great idea, watch more UK shows..........................
by axcel1
I started watching "Primeval", it's not a bad show, Frozen Renee thinks it's a little cheesy. I see it one part "Stargate SG1" (the anomaly), one part "Doctor Who" (time travel) and equal parts "Farscape" and "Blake's 7" (lead characters leaving and dying.) I'll try "Being Human", the UK version, of course!
July 3, 2011, 6:18 p.m. CST
The Shadow Line was amazing also
by Rebel Scumb
July 3, 2011, 7:20 p.m. CST
rebel -- yes, it just was too obvious
by HornOrSilk
as is "first" -- but, you didn't see it, so yours counts too!
July 3, 2011, 7:21 p.m. CST
Sam -- we hope
by HornOrSilk
I just don't know, and I hope we will hear something for real, soon, and we will also find out what really was happening... I think we might, if not with an official source, some unofficial book will release all the details.
July 3, 2011, 9:09 p.m. CST
watching "Arc of Infinity" now
by The Transformed Man
July 3, 2011, 9:15 p.m. CST
It's not scifi, but...
by The Transformed Man
...I'm enjoying THE INBETWEENERS.
July 3, 2011, 9:36 p.m. CST
by Renee Knowles
Yes, you need to watch both those shows. Also good are: Being Human (UK, the US characters are annoying, although I like the slight changes they've made in later episodes) Skins (UK, US version is already cancelled, though we knew that was coming) Mad Dogs (dunno what it is about that show, but I like it! Watch LoM and AtA first though.) Misfits A Bit of Fry and Laurie (older, but smart comedy) League of Gentlemen (if you haven't already seen it. I'm just getting into it because of...) Psychoville (dark, twisted, morbidly entertaining) The IT Crowd (cheesy, sexist, but funny) I'm currently working on League of Gentlemen, Psychoville, and will soon start the Inbetweeners. Also caught the first episode of Exile and it was intriguing. And I agree with our somewhat-former intrepid leader. By the end of Ashes to Ashes, I thought it had actually gotten better than Life on Mars. Oh, and Rich, what I actually said about Primeval is that it's cheesy in a good way. It's my guilty pleasure (sorry, I'm frozen01... recently changed my screen name).
July 3, 2011, 9:39 p.m. CST
by Renee Knowles
(frozen01 here) It's GOOD cheesy! Primeval is my guilty pleasure! Though I haven't watched it in a while... I've been catching up on other shows. And Simon would be very pleased to see you mentioning one of his favorite shows, Blakes 7 (though I don't know how he'd react to the comparison to Primeval). Not sure why he hasn't popped on here recently, but I'm sure he says "hi" and "boing! time for bed!" and all that ;) Do try Being Human, I've really enjoyed that show!
July 3, 2011, 9:44 p.m. CST
by Renee Knowles
And Happy Fourth of July to all my fellow Americans! :) ... and Brits, too, if you would like to celebrate getting rid of us ;)
July 4, 2011, 4:46 a.m. CST
Happy 4th of July to ya all :)
by shibleybc
July 4, 2011, 4:46 a.m. CST
Boing - Time for work :(
by shibleybc
July 4, 2011, 5:12 a.m. CST
Ok, so, you're protocol417 Renee now.............................
by axcel1
Why did you change it?
July 4, 2011, 5:29 a.m. CST
The usual reason?????????????????????????????????
by axcel1
July 4, 2011, 6:53 a.m. CST
Dr Who theme..different version
by Johnboy40
http://youtube/Yuc3a8RIBfk enjoy folks
July 4, 2011, 6:54 a.m. CST
try again
by Johnboy40
July 4, 2011, 7:19 a.m. CST
by Renee Knowles
I dunno... what's the usual reason? If you mean getting booted off of AICN, then no. I just wanted something more Doctor Who-y ;) And look at that... I mention Simon and he pops in! Was that your doing? ;)
July 4, 2011, 8:34 a.m. CST
Several things here...
by MoffatBabies
So... I'll do one post for each. lol
July 4, 2011, 8:44 a.m. CST
Happy 4th of July to all of our American friends!!! Have a safe time during your celebrations!!!
by sam jacksons wig
July 4, 2011, 8:46 a.m. CST
UK shows and my opinions...
by MoffatBabies
In case anyone was just dying to know. *wink* Misfits: Wasn't sure about it at first. But after watching it for a while just for the hell of it, I've come to the conclusion that it is what Heroes should have been. In spite of a slow start, feeling as though the show just didn't know what it wanted to be, it grew on me. By series 2 it had found its footing... and soul. It's hilarious, moving, dramatic and when you least expect it, actually action-packed. There are characters you will hate and then learn to love. There are characters you will like and then... distrust. There are twists and turns you will NOT see coming a mile away (as in Heroes). Well worth the time and effort it will take many in the US to find and download. And when you do, do anything you can to get the thing aired on a US network. I think it could find a real audience here, as long as they don't try to do a REMAKE. Being Human: LOVED, LOVED LOVED the UK original. And still do. Expected to hate the US version... wanted to hate it... just for existing. But the actors (in my opinion) and the characters are as compelling as the original and they do things viewers of the original will not expect. Both are worth your time and effort, in my opinion. And I almost hate myself for saying it. A Bit Of Fry And Laurie - WONDERFUL, sharp, funny show. If you like House, and have never seen Hugh Laurie do comedy in his native accent, you will be floored. Laugh out loud funny. Primeval - I'm with Frozen01 on this one unfortunately. Could not stick with it, but I can see why people would enjoy it. I notice a comparison to the Stargate shows here... I agree. Same feeling. With Stargate, I got sick of seeing the same Canadian forest passing for an alien landscape with the same wooden huts, same extras, same props, over and over. And it just looked cheap and careless. Stargate Universe is the exception for me. I loved it from beginning to end and it still makes me angry that someone finally got a Stargate series to be good and they went and took it off the air. ARGH! (apologies to haters of he who shall not be named)
July 4, 2011, 8:48 a.m. CST
Christ!!! Shibs, Axcel AND ProtofrozenRenee ALL at once!!!!!
by sam jacksons wig
Guys, what are we going to do with you all??? Here's me and poor Horn propping up the DocBack for the regulars..feeling all lonesome...... ...and then the Bus service - wait ages for one of you and then all three of you arrive at once!!!
July 4, 2011, 8:49 a.m. CST
by MoffatBabies
Thanks for the recommendations. That should keep me busy during the infamous summer lull. I've always heard The IT Crowd was hilarious but never gave it a shot. If it's on Netflix, I'll grab it. If not.. I'll *ahem*, still grab it. I've heard of or already watched all of what you list, except Psychoville and Mad Dogs. Never heard of either, but will give them a shot. Thanks again, tons.
July 4, 2011, 8:52 a.m. CST
New Kelvington video (spoilers) very funny...
by MoffatBabies
Let's Kill Hitler - Hitler's Retort
July 4, 2011, 8:56 a.m. CST
Oh and YES Happy 4th Of July to all in US here.
by MoffatBabies
And a happy day to the rest of you as well.
July 4, 2011, 8:57 a.m. CST
Good Morning sam jacksons wig
by MoffatBabies
Good to see you as always.
July 4, 2011, 8:59 a.m. CST
by MoffatBabies
That was oddly entertaining.
July 4, 2011, 9:02 a.m. CST
Ah crap. I should pay better attention.
by MoffatBabies
Protocol417 is Renee/Frozen01. Okay. I'm straightened out now.
July 4, 2011, 9:05 a.m. CST
I get the feeling it's now going to be all ME while
by MoffatBabies
I'm here this morning. That's alright. I'll see if I can pop us back up (further) on that list over on the right again. Worth a shot. I'm putting off work that needs to get done this morning. DocBack is the best excuse of all for putting off work. Now I shall sit back with my HUGE cup of coffee and a nice, thick TAAAAAAAAAAAAAHHHH ...blerone.
July 4, 2011, 9:05 a.m. CST
One of my favorite DocBack sites...
by MoffatBabies
July 4, 2011, 9:07 a.m. CST
... what I am putting off....
by MoffatBabies
http://indie69.com (July Playlist is LATE.. but I need to get it right, so these things take time... especially when you're reading DocBack and searching Youtube for silly Who-related videos)
July 4, 2011, 9:07 a.m. CST
Is ANYONE ELSE here?
by MoffatBabies
Post away, as I used to say.
July 4, 2011, 9:10 a.m. CST
Where to buy baby food in Moffat, Dumfries,Ireland.
by MoffatBabies
http://local.trueknowledge.com/baby_food/moffat/ Okay, I promise. Nothing as silly as that anymore.
July 4, 2011, 9:12 a.m. CST
Anyone familiar with the early DocBack days...
by MoffatBabies
will realize that I truly am gotilk. From that last one. Ahhh.. the olden days. Late nights. Padding. Odd youtube posts. Filler.... number one in talkbacks. Those were good times. But these times are even better.
July 4, 2011, 9:12 a.m. CST
Or if you prefer the proper mis-spelling...
by MoffatBabies
July 4, 2011, 9:15 a.m. CST
Now I really am going back to working...
by MoffatBabies
even though it doesn't "feel" like work. And it doesn't pay... yet. Except in perks and swag. And friendships. *sigh* I could procrastinate all day here. But I will not. I'll be back when I'm done.
July 4, 2011, 9:22 a.m. CST
Morning Moffatbabies.... hope you are having a luvvverly morning!!!
by sam jacksons wig
It's 3.20pm here in ol'Blighty, and the weather is fantastic! As you can see the sea from my back garden, it is quite a perfect afternoon. Now, if I wasn't on call this evening then it would be an even better day, but beggars can't be choosers.
July 4, 2011, 9:24 a.m. CST
Oh, and you have broken my successive post record by 3!!!
by sam jacksons wig
Mine stood at 11, so DAMN YOU SIR!!! That record had stood for nearly 3 months!!! ;))
July 4, 2011, 9:25 a.m. CST
moffatbabies- here is something you may not be aware of...
by sam jacksons wig
.. fruit and nut toblerones beat the shit out of ordinary toblerones any day of the week and twice on a Sunday!!! So sayeth the WIIG!!!
July 4, 2011, 9:30 a.m. CST
I used to spell your fucking name incorrectly all the time!!!
by sam jacksons wig
In the end, it just became a deliberate thing that i couldn't help!! Have never seen the necessity to change my profile name. I couldn't now, even if I wanted to; I like it far too much. Oddly enough, my name is not even Sam!! Maybe I should change it to NotSamJW... nah, fuck it! It stays!!!
July 4, 2011, 9:30 a.m. CST
Primeval (moffatbabies)
by Renee Knowles
GAH! I like the show! Why does everyone think I hate it? It's cheesy, that's all I said *pouts*
July 4, 2011, 9:37 a.m. CST
GotmoffatbabiesLIK.... (ok I shall stop with that now!!!)
by sam jacksons wig
Primeval- gave it 20 minutes of one episode and that was enough for me to never watch it again. Being Human- I have it on DVD and it still has the wrapper intact. Didn't catch it on TV and have been meaning to watch it but never got round to doing so. From what I hear it is a pretty fantastic show! Picked up Sherlock on EBay for a song! Brand new and still selling for £13 in the shops, I got it for £6.50 with free p&p. Now that was a deal! You can check it out at this link... www.ifyoulookatmywifewhensheisbendingoveragainwearingherwhitelabcoatthatridesuptoherassandthenlookatmeandsmileIwillbreakopenyourfuckingskullandpissinit.com Oops! Wrong link- that was meant for someone else!! ;))
July 4, 2011, 9:43 a.m. CST
Been trying to compile a list of my top 10 classic/nu who episodes....
by sam jacksons wig
...it is far more difficult than at first I thought!!! Firstly, making 2 separate lists seemed easy, then I found out that the words chopping and changing will haunt me for the rest of my entire life! Just when you think you've got it sussed, you remember something else and it all fucking changes. One thing that will NEVER change is number 1 on the nu-who list: Love and Monsters!!! Fave of all time!!! Oh wait..... I've just realised it's shit! Fuck! Need to change it but am frightened to go back on word as that scary paperclip thingy keeps appearing and leering at me menacingly!!! Someone hold my hand please.....
July 4, 2011, 9:45 a.m. CST
moffatbabies *waves*
by Renee Knowles
The IT Crowd is on Netflix instant, I believe all of the seasons are now, though they keep taking down and putting stuff back up so I'm not sure. It should be there, though, at the very least on disc. I didn't like it at first... like I said, it's a bit sexist, and the two IT guys are a little over the top... but it really grew on me, and it is truly funny. I think that A Bit of Fry and Laurie is probably my favorite comedy show of all time. I absolutely adore it :) UK Being Human is fantastic... the premise sounds so terrible, but it really is touching and unique. Psychoville is by the same group that did League of Gentlemen and it's got the same oddball twisted, morbid humor to it. Mad Dogs is newer, and it's got John Simms, Phillip Glenister, and the guy who was in Love and Monsters (don't know his name). Really good drama, excellent acting, very suspenseful. Another show I've been watching, more as a sort of background thing to put on while I'm surfing the internet or settling down for the evening, is Doc Martin. It's like House, if House was more socially awkward and rude than sarcastic and smug, and the show was set in a small town in Cornwall. The receptionist in the first series is annoying as all get out, but she's soon replaced by the woman from IT Crowd. Not terrible, not great, but something to pass the time if you've got nothing else, and it's on Netflix instant.
July 4, 2011, 9:52 a.m. CST
re dr who season 6
by emeraldboy
here is what I dont really understand. prior to the commencement of season 6., it was announced that season 6 and season 7 were to be split in two. season 6 was broadcast from april till summer. then season 7 was to be shown from september till december. so the big question is why the change. was someone in the bbc really annoyed about the mini break. to announce the mini season, air it in the way they did and then show the teaser and then yank everything very quickly and shut up. sounds odd.
July 4, 2011, 10 a.m. CST
by Renee Knowles
I could really use your lawn mowing services today! Hurt my ankle hiking yesterday, and while it's a lot better than it was last night, I still don't think I should be fighting a lawn mower on it. But it was worth it! :) Absolutely beautiful sandstone canyons, cliffs, waterfalls to play in, and pools of water to swim in, which made the 27-ish degree weather that much more enjoyable. Today I think I will treat myself to some serious couch time to let my ankle finish healing, and re-watch some of this series' episodes of DW, plus catch up on some of the other shows I listed above. :) Ah, summer :) Now, if I could only find someone to run to the store and get me some watermelon, and maybe some of that fruit and nut Toblerone (we actually have it here now!), I'd be in heaven ;)
July 4, 2011, 10 a.m. CST
AAAAAHHHGGGHHH!!! Thought I had 6 consecutive posts and was well on the way to trouncing Moffatbabies!!!! Then along comes...
by sam jacksons wig
Renee!!! In the middle of my run!!! NOOOOO!!!! I am now sobbing into my latte!!! Pants!!!!! Selina Gomez.... Love you like a Love Song is quite possibly the worst shit I have ever had foisted on my eyeballs and earholes since that fat bitch Adele... ...erm sorry for strange rant, but the ad has just been on the telly. Oh and here's another thing!!! Why a more and more advertisement voiceovers in the UK being done by people from Newcastle? Cheryl Fucking Cole!!!! Damn her!!!!! Rant over. Back to Dr Who...
July 4, 2011, 10:03 a.m. CST
I ruin most things
by Renee Knowles
And oddly, almost all involve lattes and pants ;)
July 4, 2011, 10:10 a.m. CST
Oh, and sammy
by Renee Knowles
Enjoy your diversity. There are many accents in the U.S. of A., but if you listen to our ads, you'd swear there was only one. And I think that is greatly homogenizing us. Anytime you hear an accent on someone anymore (in person), it's barely noticeable. Myself included. I adore the fact that my friends over there have such different accents, even though they're from places only a few hours apart (or less). That's really neat! I'm slightly jealous ;)
July 4, 2011, 10:11 a.m. CST
emeraldboy- I don't recall that being announced officially...
by sam jacksons wig
..although I remember the debate well. I think there was alot of assumption that there would be 2 separate seasons as there would be quite a sizeable break between the 2 parts. But then official word hit that it would be one season split in 2. Next year is when we have to worry. Filming 14 episodes, splitting them in 2 over the course of 2012/13 and then calling THAT seasons 7 and 8? Rip off!!!!
July 4, 2011, 10:37 a.m. CST
Yes, protocol Renee, that's the usual reason...............................
by axcel1
Being booted or just not being able to post here. Speaking of UK shows, anyone seen "Case Histories"? The 6 part series that just ended in the UK. And, remember, former Fearless Leader and Sam, we all have tastes, in food and tv shows.
July 4, 2011, 10:40 a.m. CST
Oh, and, no official word on the next 7 episodes and the 14 episodes confirmed yet???????????????????????
by axcel1
Or, do you know anything new?
July 4, 2011, 11:03 a.m. CST
Frozen (I will NEVER stop calling you that!!)...
by sam jacksons wig
It's not the accent, it's because the accent is due to Cheryl Coles bloody erm....fame? That's a huge stretch on the word fame.....
July 4, 2011, 11:04 a.m. CST
Fruit and Nut toblerone.....gods greatest gift to mankind!!!
by sam jacksons wig
July 4, 2011, 11:07 a.m. CST
Hiking in 27 degree heat???? hmmmm....
by sam jacksons wig
...I shall sit, with the aircon on, and later, once my Latte has settled will have all of my peace destroyed as I visit peoples homes for things like sniffles and coughs after speaking to them for 45 minutes on the telephone convinced they have bubonic plague and that I HAVE to visit them at 3 in the morning!!! They should be asleep!!! And so should I !!!!!!
July 4, 2011, 12:13 p.m. CST
by Renee Knowles
Understood on the accent thing now, thanks for explaining ;) I guess it would be a bit like the Jersey... oops, sorry NEW Jersey... accent being used in tons of ads because of Jersey Shore. That would annoy me too. After I got over the realization that they weren't doing it for comedic effect, of course ;) 27 is relatively comfortable for me, only slightly over the "okay, it's getting a wee bit warm and muggy" line. Especially when there's a nice breeze, you're in the shade of the forest, and there're cold waterfalls to jump through :) We get pretty extreme temperatures in Chicago (relatively, at least). On Saturday it was 33, and that's fairly normal for July. And don't worry about the frozen thing... I'm surprised shibs didn't say much the same thing considering he put up such a fuss when I mentioned I might change it months ago :P
July 4, 2011, 12:15 p.m. CST
BBC getting more freaky in its demands for control...
by V'Shael
Broadcasters can have a number of reasons for wanting to delay press announcements, such as the deal not being done or contracts not being signed or, indeed, the broadcaster wanting to make a big splash with a great story at a particularly opportune moment. A random tweet can rob an artist of his or her potentially much louder fanfare.
July 4, 2011, 12:18 p.m. CST
WTF? What happened to the body of my post?
by V'Shael
Broadcasters can have a number of reasons for wanting to delay press announcements, such as the deal not being done or contracts not being signed or, indeed, the broadcaster wanting to make a big splash with a great story at a particularly opportune moment. A random tweet can rob an artist of his or her potentially much louder fanfare.
July 4, 2011, 12:19 p.m. CST
God damn it AICN, get your act together.
by V'Shael
15 paragraphs, and only one appearing???
July 4, 2011, 12:20 p.m. CST
Last time attempt...
by V'Shael
Broadcasters can have a number of reasons for wanting to delay press announcements, such as the deal not being done or contracts not being signed or, indeed, the broadcaster wanting to make a big splash with a great story at a particularly opportune moment. A random tweet can rob an artist of his or her potentially much louder fanfare.
July 4, 2011, 12:20 p.m. CST
Fuck it, I'll get this posted if I have to do it line by fucking line.......
by V'Shael
Let's try this again... On July 4th, a day recognised by Americans as celebrating freedom(s) (of speech in particular) sees this tidbit coming from the BBC... http://www.digitalspy.co.uk/broadcasting/news/a328120/bbc-to-ban-talent-staff-from-using-twitter.html A group of senior BBC executives are reportedly calling for a ban on actors, writers and other top talent from using social networking sites such as Twitter to discuss their work at the BBC. According to The Guardian, senior sources at the corporation claim that the need for a ban ''was a widely held view''. They also said that ''conversations have started'' regarding the inclusion of measures in contracts to forbid top talent from using Twitter, Facebook and other internet forums to reveal sensitive details of their involvement in BBC productions.
The campaign follows a number of revelations on Twitter that senior BBC executives are understood to feel are disruptive to their marketing and press campaigns. Only last week, singer Sophie Ellis-Bextor revealed that she is to appear in Ricky Gervais and Stephen Merchant's new comedy Life's Too Short alongside rock star Sting. Previously, actor Stephen Mangan leaked on Twitter that the drama Dirk Gently had been recommissioned, while Armando Iannucci announced the return of the comedy The Thick of It before the BBC was ready to make the news public. Episodes star Mangan has since denied this, tweeting: ''The Guardian is wrong... No indiscretion from me, I tweeted after BBC had announced the new series.'' BBC executives are thought to believe that the ban would prevent storyline spoilers from being reported in the press, while also stopping news or press announcement leaking out.
Broadcasters can have a number of reasons for wanting to delay press announcements, such as the deal not being done or contracts not being signed or, indeed, the broadcaster wanting to make a big splash with a great story at a particularly opportune moment. A random tweet can rob an artist of his or her potentially much louder fanfare.
One executive, who apparently holds a high-profile job at the corporation's production arm BBC Vision, told The Guardian: ''There's no doubt that Twitter is a popular communications phenomenon but it can also be quite disruptive if artists tweet about an appearance on a show or announce a new commission before the broadcaster is ready to go with the story.
A BBC spokesman said that the corporation already has guidelines on the use of social media when discussing subjects in a BBC capacity. He added: ''Most talent tweeting fall under the personal usage bracket, and are advised by their agents/producers and we encourage them to read our guidelines.'' ====== Now, while he's not mentioned specifically, I can't help but think the recent tit-for-tat confirm/deny spat with Mr. Moffat would have been another example cited by the now clearly paranoid as fuck BBC senior management.
July 4, 2011, 12:39 p.m. CST
Axcel- is it cos I dissed Primeval??? ;)
by sam jacksons wig
July 4, 2011, 12:40 p.m. CST
Axcel- posted an interview Moff did with DWM earlier in this thread...
by sam jacksons wig
nothing specific, but it did reek of subdifuge and bullshit.
July 4, 2011, 12:49 p.m. CST
I am so fucking sorry V'Shael, but I have just laughed my arse off at your posting frustration!!! The Time Meddler meddleth again!!!
by sam jacksons wig
July 4, 2011, 12:56 p.m. CST
All this talk about posting things on social network sites
by Renee Knowles
You'd think that this could easily be fixed by placing a clause in their contracts? Or is that just the capitalist in me coming out to play? ;)
July 4, 2011, 12:57 p.m. CST
V'shael- good article, and I can see how that would potentially stop the flow of info from getting out.....
by sam jacksons wig
...however, the one thing that I don't understand is the contradiction of everything. "It's been commissioned" appeared, and then "14 episodes for 2012." then all of the fucking backlash that we all know and love. Moffs tweets were to deny that this had anything to do with Sherlock, and to rant that he wasn't at all happy with the Beebs comments about splitting the series and airing only part in 2012. I don't think he tweeted anything before the official announcement, only to debunk it... (or am i mixed up here with event timings?)
July 4, 2011, 1:02 p.m. CST
by AsimovLives
I know about LEAGUE OF GENTLEMEN. It's one of the finniest thing i ever seen in my whole life. It can aslo be pretty dramatic too. and soemtimes even damn scary. Papa Lazaru, anybody? "You are my wife now".
July 4, 2011, 1:02 p.m. CST
On second thoughts, maybe the paranoia of the BBC has everything to do with Moffs comments in DWM....
by sam jacksons wig
...where he griped about Who being a weapon against the competition, that you don't reveal when you are going to deploy it... ....(read)- Moff needs to shut the fuck up about release dates and what we are doing until we're ready to tell people ourselves. This whole thing from start to finish has clearly been one big fucking mess that has pissed off the fans and tested their wafer-thin goodwill with Auntie beeb.... if only they had shut their fucking mouths in the first place instead of jumping the gun!!!
July 4, 2011, 1:03 p.m. CST
Brits wishing Happy 4th Of July to the colonials
by AsimovLives
There is a joke somewhere.
July 4, 2011, 1:09 p.m. CST
Asi- we HAD to give them it back......
by sam jacksons wig
...after all, who would want to run the US in this political climate???? Britain is doing very well at fucking up its own affairs!!!!
July 4, 2011, 1:09 p.m. CST
About BEING HUMAN
by AsimovLives
The british show is just brillant. Great show. On paper it shouldn't work, and yet it does so, so well. I foud the american show, as far i cna tell form the first two episdoe,s to be quite a worth sucessor. I was suprised by the effort the american production put into the show to actually make it good, no not shame the british original. Good choice of actros too, special mention for the ghost and the vampyre actor. What's funny is that in the UK show, the werewolf is by far the most sympathetic and likable character, while in the USA version he's the asshole of the group. Well, in the UK show, none of the characters are assholes, just complicated characters. You know, like how humans are. The reason why the show is called BEING HUMAN, natch!
July 4, 2011, 1:10 p.m. CST
Asi- wanna buy some pegs....dave????
by sam jacksons wig
July 4, 2011, 1:12 p.m. CST
ReneeFP (much better!!! Everything at once!)...
by sam jacksons wig
..most corporations have clauses in contracts to do with social networking and talking about their companies online. Do it negatively, or give away company info and it's gross misconduct. That said, the BEEB is still living in 1925 when it comes to morals and ethics and codes of conduct, so by 2150 they may have caught up.
July 4, 2011, 1:34 p.m. CST
by Renee Knowles
The first few eps (of the US version) are really good, but it goes downhill for about five episodes before picking back up a little. The vampire isn't bad, but I can't stand the ghost, honestly. She's kind of annoying. The werewolf isn't actually an asshole, he's just socially awkward. I actually like him best. IMO the actors in UK Being Human completely blow the US actors out of the water, though.
July 4, 2011, 2:04 p.m. CST
by AsimovLives
If i had to guess, the reason why you think the middle patch of the American version of BEING HUMAN is because of how long the average american series is. Notice that the first season of the british BEING HUMAN is only 6 episodes long. British shows deliberatly do this short season thing to avoid slow patches and filler episodes in their shows. American shows, on general, gave each season from 12 to 24 episodes, so, it's inevitable that a drop of quality will always occur, always in the middle season. HBO is notorious for avoiding that due to their usual tactic of doing like the british and produce seasons with a shorter number of 12 episodes as general rule.
July 4, 2011, 2:17 p.m. CST
I cant wait to see iannuchi
by emeraldboy
getting his teeth into the con lib coalition. malcom tucker has been away too long.
July 4, 2011, 2:21 p.m. CST
by Renee Knowles
Actually, not to give too much away, they pretty much stick to the same plot as the UK version. In fact, I got the impression they were going through it *more quickly* than the UK version, not padding it. Thats why I thought it was falling apart. I thought they were going TOO quickly, not too slowly.
July 4, 2011, 2:41 p.m. CST
by AsimovLives
One of the things that fascinates me about the way the british make their Tv shows is that generaly speaking, their episodes are slower paced then the amercan counterparts. And with fewer episodes. And yet it seems they mannage to tell more story and more character presentation and character developement thenthe american TV shows (excluding the HBO series, which are done in a very british way). It's quite a funny thing, if one thinks about it. I wonder how the brits do that.
July 4, 2011, 2:42 p.m. CST
One of the things that makes me laught is to see a brit calling colonials to the americans.
by AsimovLives
It's such a smart-arse thing to do. And so funny.
July 4, 2011, 3:21 p.m. CST
by Renee Knowles
Oh, that's easy. American shows aren't about anything. They're just a) things blowing up and people being chased, b) sensationalistic reality TV designed to make viewers feel better than the idiots they see on the screen, and c) sitcoms that are basically the same as b, but with scripts and attempts at humor. In other words... fluff. They assume people have the attention span of a gnat, so there's no time to bother with character development and plot. There are things to blow up and terrible singers to put in front of a panel and mock! ;) With that as competition, it's really not that difficult. Spend a little bit of time crafting a decent story, hire actors who can actually do what their titles suggest (ie act), and when you do use sensationalist elements (sex and action), do so in a way that furthers the story and doesn't *become* the story. Don't lower yourself to the stupidest person in the room, and voila! Good television. It's not hard to tell a better story than the other guy when the other guy gave up on that years ago.
July 4, 2011, 3:30 p.m. CST
LOL, watching the Invasion of Time earlier today and I saw...
by Red43jes
...The TARDIS' swimming pool! LMAO! And hear, I had suspected that the 11th Doctor may have one, BUT I didn't realize that they ACTUALLY had one in an episode (funny note: Watch the scene, the Sontaran after the Doctor nearly busts his ass tripping over a chair near the pool)! Ahhhh, theres nothing more fun that exploring the TARDIS! I'd love to see more of he TARDIS from time to time. Speaking of which, in the season finale episode, Rory asks the Doctor about his room...think we will end up seeing this room in the near future?
July 4, 2011, 3:46 p.m. CST
Sam, relax.............................................................
by axcel1
You have every right to like or dislike any thing. Different people will like different things. Hey, I see a little "Stargate SG1" in it, so, I'm drawn to it.
July 4, 2011, 3:56 p.m. CST
And, yeah, Sam, I read what you posted, Moff's "subdifuge and bullshit"...........................
by axcel1
It would be nice if they (Whoever's in charge.) would just say, "The last 7 episodes will be shown late 2011 and the Doctor Who start date has been pushed back to late 2012/ early 2013", if that's what's going to happen.
July 4, 2011, 4:01 p.m. CST
by AsimovLives
I take you are not a fan of BONES, then. Or HOUSE.
July 4, 2011, 4:34 p.m. CST
by Renee Knowles
I used to like Bones. Then it got pretty ridiculous. Right around the time that one of her employees became an assistant to a serial killer. I think I gave it one more season and that was it. There were huge plot holes (I'm not usually the type of person to be bothered by that) and "oh c'mon" moments (I think there was one episode where the body was found in a tree, the suspect had her own plane, and their conclusion was that very high winds must have put the body in the tree *facepalm*) House, I do like. The quality has gone a bit downhill of late but it's probably the best thing on American TV right now (well, not RIGHT now as it's not on, but you get the idea).
July 4, 2011, 4:37 p.m. CST
before people accuse me of rambling and the usual flack that comes my way on this site
by emeraldboy
About a fortnight ago bbc covered glastonbury, which was once a great and mighty festival. in the 1990s. but its days are over. On the sunday night bbc two covered beyonce knowles set in its entirety. this was roboticnes personified but beyonce took a huge risk in performing to that crowd and she commanded the stage. and she has being performer since she was nine. but anyway her set was bland. coldplay whom i am not a fan of were supposedly spectacular. try looking for that set and you cant find it on youtube cause as quickly as youtube put it up the bbc ordered them to take in down. So I think the bbc has a huge problem with the internet. for example watching dr who eps in ireland on the bbc homepage is impossible you get the now standard content is not available in your area rubbish. moffat was very annoyed by the idiots who put up bullshit clips on youtube by those idiotic grieving tennant fans who couldnt get over the fact that there man had gone and wasnt coming back. aside from them, people were putting up bs clips saying nonsense such as and in season 6 there are spoliers that donna was coming back and that she would regenerate into river song who would reveal herself to be the rani. it was a complete load of crock. it must have had the bbc and moffat pulling there hair out. so what to do. clamp down on the whole thing. make sure no info gets in or out. the bbc arent the only ones doing this there is a major science fiction film coming next year directed by sir ridley scott. we know the name of the movie, whos in it. but we dont know what the film looks like or the story. all we know is that sir ridley scott has taken over all of pinewood to make prometheus.
July 4, 2011, 4:50 p.m. CST
emeraldboy, in my country Portugal, next saturday, FOO FIGHTERS are going to play in here.
by AsimovLives
Too bad i can't go. But hurrah, anyway.
July 4, 2011, 4:51 p.m. CST
and emeraldboy, Ridley Scott OWNS Pinewood studios. He and his brother Tony Scott.
by AsimovLives
July 4, 2011, 5:01 p.m. CST
by AsimovLives
I stoped seeing HOUSE regulary after the 3rd season ended. So i can't vouch for the show's quality since the fourth season. And it still pains me that Jennifer Morrison never returned as a regular to the show since Season 3. I feell in love with her when i saw her in the first season. By the wa,y litle known fact, but abroad HOUSE has a different opening theme then as seen in USA. I'll show you: This was the opening theme of the first season, and as yet still my favorite (I really, really love this opening theme): http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sIDd43lGHpc&feature=related And this is the opening theme from the second season onwards: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lrZTYkfK390&feature=related What do you think?
July 4, 2011, 5:08 p.m. CST
by Renee Knowles
I'm confused... did you used to be able to watch BBC shows on the internet in Ireland? Are you referring to iPlayer when you said the content was not available in your area, or what? So far as information not being available... good. I remember when you would see a trailer, get really excited for the movie, and then go see it and be blown away or at least really enjoy it. Not anymore. You see a teaser, then you hear some rumors, then there's a trailer, some promotional shots, some well-timed "leaks" to keep the buzz going... and a year later the damn thing hits theaters. Honestly, they spend so much time getting you hyped up for the movie to ensure they'll get your money opening day that it can't live up to all that half the time.
July 4, 2011, 5:12 p.m. CST
by Renee Knowles
You should start watching again, then. She just came back :) And the theme is very close. If you hadn't told me it was different, I might have just chalked it up to the audio being a little wonky LOL
July 4, 2011, 5:25 p.m. CST
SO we now have a statement from Moff....
by V'Shael
I don't know if this was mentioned above... Fresh from France. http://doctorwhotv.co.uk/doctor-who-not-reduced-in-2012-22347.htm Just when you thought the situation with Doctor Who in 2012 couldn't get any more confusing, along comes this bit of news. According to an attendee at this year's Comic Con France, Steven Moffat was asked how many episodes will be shown in 2012 and he responded with: "Contrary to some rumours you may have heard, there will be the same number of episodes." Later adding that there will be a change in transmission. But not on the number of episodes. If all 14 episodes did air in 2012, this goes against what we've heard from multiple sources now. So we're not sure what to make of this. It's very possible it could have been misinterpreted, but it's hard to say, so we'll just have to wait and see.
July 4, 2011, 5:45 p.m. CST
by AsimovLives
One of the reason for me to get pissed of at Abrams Trek (amongothers) is that Jennifer Morrison's involvement of the 4th season of HOUSE was cut short because of her hiring to play Nukirk's mom in the Abram's movie. and for all that trouble, her most important scene ends up in the editing floor. She was reduced to that scene where she gives birth to NuKirk, a short scene that any nobody actress could had done, instead of an already established andpopular actress like Morrison. So, Abrams fucked up her career for the sake of nothing. She stoped being a regular on a popular show because of Abrams' ineptitude in making a story for a movie. Imagine the possibilities that it could had been if morrison had stayed, and with the addition of Olivia Wilde to the show. Morrison and Wilde together in the same show. Imagine the possibilities.
July 4, 2011, 5:45 p.m. CST
I'mnot fretting about Doctor Who. somehow i believe they will pull out and do well just fine.
by AsimovLives
July 4, 2011, 5:54 p.m. CST
by Renee Knowles
Got the two actresses mixed up. It's Olivia Wilde who is back. Sorry :S
July 4, 2011, 5:55 p.m. CST
And I'm not worried either
by Renee Knowles
This ain't the 80s. They've worked very hard to promote DW to the American audience, and it's wildly popular right now... while that doesn't mean they won't fuck it up eventually, it's not getting taken off the air any time soon.
July 4, 2011, 5:58 p.m. CST
by protocol417
by emeraldboy
if you live outside the uk and happen to have internet access. you cannot watch shows on the bbc's iplayer. Here is what I want. ok. I want studios to back to a time when very little info is given out to the public about movies and tv shows. all of this "lets put the entire movie into the trailer" crap has killed anticipation and excitement. the less hype the better.
July 4, 2011, 5:58 p.m. CST
v'shael, thank you for the info.................................
by axcel1
I hope you're right, I hope it was just simply having Doctor Who shown later in the year and the information just "misinterpreted". I guess we can only wait and see.
July 4, 2011, 6 p.m. CST
Best American show these days, in my opinion:
by The Transformed Man
BREAKING BAD. It resumes later this month. I like the original BEING HUMAN, although the second season seemed a little off to me. I was so angry at the American version for existing I didn't make it five minutes into the first episode. But I'm hearing mostly good things about it...
July 4, 2011, 6:03 p.m. CST
by Renee Knowles
I'm American so I know that all too keenly. You just made it sound like you were able to before, and suddenly weren't. Hence the confusion :P Regarding movies and info, couldn't agree more :)
July 4, 2011, 6:46 p.m. CST
by Rebel Scumb
I just started Breaking Bad yesterday. I've got episode 1x05 on right now. It is really good. I'm looking forward to seeing more.
July 4, 2011, 6:49 p.m. CST
v'shael -- sadly Moff's words continue to cause worry
by HornOrSilk
We knew they planned to make all 14 episodes in 2012... the question is when they are shown -- again, if it is being used to film two shorter series at once.
July 4, 2011, 11:13 p.m. CST
rebel scumb
by The Transformed Man
Enjoy! The show is seriously stress-inducing, but it's done so well. Cranston is excellent in it. And his wife... jeez. I can't wait to see where they take it in the coming season.
July 4, 2011, 11:15 p.m. CST
Are there any fellow Doctor Who action figure collectors lurking around here?
by The Transformed Man
I've completely lost my mind accumulating those things. I would have killed for them when I was in fifth grade. Any feelings on the River Song sculpt we're seeing here?
July 5, 2011, 1:09 a.m. CST
@Hornorsilk - He was asked how many would be SHOWN
by V'Shael
and he said the same amount. They weren't talking about how many would be made.
July 5, 2011, 1:10 a.m. CST
@Hornorsilk - So unless he meant
by V'Shael
that Let's Kill Hitler and the remainder of episodes still to show from season 6 would be aired in 2012, it does look like his statement implies that things are normal in 2012.
July 5, 2011, 2:04 a.m. CST
and also why do corporate people dis like youtube
by emeraldboy
example of this is coldplay's glasto set. which was posted on youtube and whoosh was suddenly banned by the bbc and other corporate types. bob dylan loathes youtube so much that he forbades any of his stuff from going on it. and as for his royal purpleness prince who is barking mad . a video clip in which a prince song playing on the radio was suddenly yanked from youtube on the orders of his royal purpleness who previously said he had no problem with the net and now hates it.
July 5, 2011, 2:38 a.m. CST
axcel- if we're talking about misinterpretation then it is of the most outrageous kind!!!
by sam jacksons wig
They have gone from saying one thing to another to another to denying everything to saying something completely different.... ...and now this latest addition to the bullshit. It's not misinterpretation mon amis, it's bloody complete contradiction!!!
July 5, 2011, 2:39 a.m. CST
emeraldboy- they aint getting paid from youtube mate. Hence the hatemongering!!
by sam jacksons wig
July 5, 2011, 2:58 a.m. CST
Oh and Axcel-
by sam jacksons wig
I'm completely chilled my man!! :))
July 5, 2011, 3 a.m. CST
thetransformedman - afraid I don't collect the figures, but....
by sam jacksons wig
...I have a lovely porcelain Tardis which graces my hallway, and I have Tennants sonic screwdriver bought for me by my kids. And I have played with it......
July 5, 2011, 4:12 a.m. CST
by HornOrSilk
Can you show me a feel transcript of the question and answer. Again, I've heard that he is saying there will be 14 episodes next year. He didn't say 14 episodes shown, and he said that how they will be shown is different. Again, what I have heard is it parses out that he didn't say what we didn't know, but people are reading into it to say all 14 will be shown next year, but he didn't say that...
July 5, 2011, 5:41 a.m. CST
@Hornorsilk - As yet, there's no video and no transcript.
by V'Shael
Okay, here it is – the best answer you can have. I don't know. If I did know, I wouldn't tell you. When I DO know, what I know will change, so I won't really know then either. And then it will change again, so I still won't really know. And if, secretly, I'd really known all along, I'd still be telling you I don't know, because everything I said I knew, could be wrong, so I'd never really have known in the first place.
July 5, 2011, 5:42 a.m. CST
OH FOR FUCKS SAKE AICN!!!!!! Stop EATING MY FUCKING POSTS.
by V'Shael
I don't know why it keeps taking paragraphs at random, and only printing those. HORNORSILK, my sorry attempt to answer your question only printed the final paragraph. Here, let's try again....
July 5, 2011, 5:42 a.m. CST
Part 1...
by V'Shael
I can only repeat what other news sources are saying : He was asked specifically how *many* episodes would be *shown* next year (2012). And he said (allegedly) "Contrary to some rumours you may have heard, there will be the same number of episodes."
July 5, 2011, 5:42 a.m. CST
Part 2...
by V'Shael
Now, either that's to be taken at face value, OR his previous statement about Quantum Security needs to be remembered OR he's being deliberately obtuse, and the full story is something like... Let's Kill Hitler and the remaining 5 episodes will air in early 2012 instead of September 2011, and then the first half of the not-yet-filmed season will air in the autumn of 2012... But that would be really convoluted.
July 5, 2011, 5:44 a.m. CST
Part 3... For those who don't remember, his statement on Quantum Security follows
by V'Shael
Quantum security – I don't know AND it's a secret. I'm glad I've been able to clarify this for you.
July 5, 2011, 5:46 a.m. CST
part 3... trying again...
by V'Shael
Okay, here it is – the best answer you can have. I don't know. If I did know, I wouldn't tell you. When I DO know, what I know will change, so I won't really know then either. And then it will change again, so I still won't really know. And if, secretly, I'd really known all along, I'd still be telling you I don't know, because everything I said I knew, could be wrong, so I'd never really have known in the first place. Quantum security – I don't know AND it's a secret. I'm glad I've been able to clarify this for you.
July 5, 2011, 5:48 a.m. CST
Try to imagine that all 3 parts appeared in one
by V'Shael
well formatted and easy to read answer, and let's all pretend that AICN's really buggy software hasn't been mysteriously updated very very recently, again without sufficient testing, and without telling the Users that they may want to copy and paste their answers in from a text editor, as otherwise their posts might just disappear into the ether.
July 5, 2011, 5:55 a.m. CST
SPOILERS - Let's revisit the 41 teasers for Season 6.
by V'Shael
A very few of the teasers now make sense, I think. 11, 14, 35. But for the rest, I still have no idea. Anyone else got some clues? Or could they all have had something to do with the second half of the season? http://doctorwhotv.co.uk/41-teasers-from-doctor-who-series-6-9870.htm
July 5, 2011, 6:57 a.m. CST
by HornOrSilk
Well, which news sources are you referencing? Again, from what I can tell, there are some which are reporting the eisigesis which I warned about. However, people I trust (like Ian Levine) say that all Moffat has said is that there will be fourteen episodes made next year -- not that they will be shown next year. Again, I think some news sources (which we know often get it wrong) are not parsing what he said properly and so assume more than they should. Which is bad, because it does seem like there is a deliberate attempt to be vague.
July 5, 2011, 7:24 a.m. CST
@Hornorsilk - I'm sure I've given the link at least twice now.
by V'Shael
I'm referring to the news sources coming from the France Comic Con, just gone past this weekend, where Moffat was attending.
July 5, 2011, 7:26 a.m. CST
@Hornorsilk - And in both case, using direct quotes.
by V'Shael
So again, Either that's to be taken at face value, OR his previous statement about Quantum Security needs to be remembered
July 5, 2011, 7:55 a.m. CST
I know this is old news for all you Doctor Who british fans, but today i leanrdd, reading the magazine SFX, that Liz Sladen died
by AsimovLives
O only know her form the David Tennent Doc Who episode where he reacquaints with Sarah Jones. it was a brillant episode. Small wonder her character got her own show. It's sad news indeed.
July 5, 2011, 8:27 a.m. CST
@Asimovlives - I don't know if you're trolling or not.
by V'Shael
The fact that you didn't shoe-horn in a reference to JJAbrams makes me think you're not trolling. But if you're going to try and say something nice about the character, at least get the name right. It takes 5 seconds to google something, and would make your sympathies somewhat more believable. Just sayin.
July 5, 2011, 9:41 a.m. CST
Talkback Problems
by Merrick
Noticed a few of you are having tech issues posting on this Talkback. Are your issues site wide, or limited to this article? Can you describe the issues you're having (truncated posts, posts disappearing completely?) in detail? Will talk to our tech folks & see if we can't resolve. Thanks in advance!
July 5, 2011, 9:50 a.m. CST
@Merrick - Talkback problems.
by V'Shael
I mostly only post on the Docback threads, so I've mostly seen it here. I seem to recall seeing it elsewhere though. The problems seem to involve random single paragraphs getting posted, instead of the entire answer. This is a relatively recent development, which would lead me to believe that there was some recent code change, which again, probably wasn't tested properly. In the last few days, where it has happened to me, there have only been a few things slightly different with the posts. 1) They involved copy/paste from another web page. But only of text, and no apparent unusual characters. 2) They had double quotes and colons. Either one might possibly be coded as an end-of-field terminator, or not parsed correctly by the talkback software. I replaced the double quotes with two apostrophes and it worked okay, but I can't say for certain that that was the issue. 3) They had hyperlinks. (Though I've posted other docback posts with hyperlinks which had no problems.) (For example, the 41 teasers post above)
July 5, 2011, 9:57 a.m. CST
Sample test posting.
by V'Shael
abcdefghijklmnopqrstuvwxyz. ABCDEFGHIJKLMNOPQRSTUVWXYZ. Hard return : Line break : Punctuation !"£$%^&*()_+=-[]{}'#~@/.?>|\,<¬¦ Numeric Keypad : 1234567890+-*/ Extended characters : ÇüéâäàåçêëèïîìÄÅÉæÆôöòûùÿÖÜ¢£¥PtƒáíóúñѪ°¿¬½¼¡«»ßµø±÷°·.²
July 5, 2011, 10:03 a.m. CST
Post testing line length :
by V'Shael
Okay, here it is – the best answer you can have. I don't know. If I did know, I wouldn't tell you. When I DO know, what I know will change, so I won't really know then either. And then it will change again, so I still won't really know. And if, secretly, I'd really known all along, I'd still be telling you I don't know, because everything I said I knew, could be wrong, so I'd never really have known in the first place. Quantum security – I don't know AND it's a secret. I'm glad I've been able to clarify this for you.
July 5, 2011, 10:06 a.m. CST
Ah ha!
by V'Shael
A manually entered piece of text into the talkback field which doesn't have a manual line feed or manually inserted carriage return but which is longer than the usuall 255 character limit which has been in place for string definitions going all the way back to c compiler days and beyond. And now the original text, which missing from the talkback post "Post testing line length :" but this time with inserted carriage returns, to hopefully make sure it gets posted. Manually entered text which doesn't use a single line feed or manually entered carriage return, but which plans to exceed the usual 255 character limit which comes with string definitions so often found in primitive computer languages going all the way back to c compilers and before
July 5, 2011, 10:07 a.m. CST
If I'm right, the first line in this talkback will disappear. (It will be a duplicate of the subject line)
by V'Shael
Okay, here it is – the best answer you can have. I don't know. If I did know, I wouldn't tell you. When I DO know, what I know will change, so I won't really know then either. And then it will change again, so I still won't really know. And if, secretly, I'd really known all along, I'd still be telling you I don't know, because everything I said I knew, could be wrong, so I'd never really have known in the first place. Quantum security – I don't know AND it's a secret. I'm glad I've been able to clarify this for you.
July 5, 2011, 10:09 a.m. CST
Yup. Okay, here's the result of the testing Merrick.
by V'Shael
Please pass along to your tech guys. When a talkback contains a piece of text which is longer than 255 characters, and which doesn't have any manually inserted line feeds or carriage returns, AND is surrounded by a pair of double quotes, the software breaks. It discards all the entered text before the double quoted large piece of text, drops the double quotes surrounding the large piece of text, and just posts the large piece of text.
July 5, 2011, 10:53 a.m. CST
Afternoon All
by shibleybc
Sammy, keep up the good work sir, i still get to try and read up everything but i defo stop to read your posts lol And as for the BBC i love the institution and all the wonderful things it does, but when it comes down to how they have treated the Who fans over this latest debacle is frankly appalling and i wonder if they daft fuckers know what they are doing to Who????? Ps very angry about this :P
July 5, 2011, 10:54 a.m. CST
Waves at Frozen01
by shibleybc
July 5, 2011, 11:37 a.m. CST
by axcel1
Renee is no longer frozen, she may be room temperature now. LOL (Sorry, I had to say it.)
July 5, 2011, 11:48 a.m. CST
by AsimovLives
First of all, fuck off. Second of all, so i don't remember the name of the character correctly. I wrote it from memory. So if i mistook thename was not because of disrespect but by misremembering. there's a different there, in case you don't know. 3rd, there is not one single fuckign evidence in my post that i was making ant atempt at disrespect to the actress ofthe show or the character. Where the fuck you got that is beyond compreention. If the goal of your post was supposed to pick up a fight, yopu did an excelent job, friend. The only person between the two of us who has any reason to feel insulted is me. I'd like to think you didn't meat that, and i hope you confirm that.
July 5, 2011, 12:26 p.m. CST
The River Song action figure looks like Jeff Lynne from E.L.O.
by BiggusDickus
...all she need is the shades!
July 5, 2011, 1:53 p.m. CST
Okay, surely *now* you can't complain, right?
by Mister Vertue
So you wanted someone from the BBC to come out and explain exactly what the hell is going on with the show regarding 2012 and the number of episodes that we'll be seeing? I'm assuming you've all heard that 'The Moff' has stated unequivocally that we'll be seeing 'the same number of episodes' after being questioned directly at Comic Con? So are you convinced *yet* that there's nothing to worry about? You wanted someone on the BBC payroll to officially state that there wouldn't be a reduction in the number of episodes we'll be seeing and Steven Moffat is part of the official staff (it says so right on his payslip - honestly, it does) so can you all now calm down and rest comfortably knowing that everything is going to be okay? I really did try warning you that what you've been reading is a load of old tosh and that certain people were quoted out of context (or just plain misinterpreted due to a dry sense of humour) and that the future of the show is more than safe. Sure, you could argue that the whole affair has been badly handled by certain people, but I'll argue right back that everybody made something out of nothing and it was all fuelled by the press and desperate-for-new-news websites. So let's recap - The show isn't being cancelled. The show isn't facing a reduction of episodes. Matt Smith isn't leaving the show. River Song isn't The Rani. Or Susan. Or Omega. Or Captain Jack's cousin twice removed. I hope this will finally put a lid on things and allow you all to go back to discussing fun topics, such as 'Will killing Hitler possibly alter history and cause weird events to occur?' That's really the kind of thing you *should* be talking about by now.
July 5, 2011, 2:09 p.m. CST
And one more thing to totally clarify the situation
by Mister Vertue
So does that mean things will be staying exactly as they are? In a word, no. There will be a change, but trust me, it's going to be a very minor one. Again, it's for the benefit of the viewers (hopefully you'll agree once it's all officially announced, but I'm sure we'll still have some gripers who want the BBC destroyed and the show handed over to Channel 5 who will produce the show as it was meant to be produced). You're going to see a change in the transmission date to stop the show coinciding with major sporting events and sunny days when people would rather be at the beach or disappearing on holiday (how dare they) and for it to be shown when the nights are slightly darker (giving the scary episodes that lie ahead that little bit more atmosphere) and the weather is just a wee bit more inclement and everybody would rather stay indoors and watch the show. It really is as simple as that. It's not the monsters at the BBC hating the show and wanting it destroyed from within. Believe it or not, but there are one or two people who hold positions of power at the Beeb who rather enjoy the show and don't want it cancelled again. They actually want it to continue and grow! How insane is that? That may be the strangest and most unacceptable thing that you read all week, but I'm afraid it's 100% true and some of you will just have to either accept that, or continue to conjure up fantasy stories based on something you read on an obscure (and might I add - unofficial) website and then spinning that story into something that equates to absolutely nothing at all based in reality. Now, let's get back to asking sensible questions regarding the actual content of the last series eh?
July 5, 2011, 3 p.m. CST
man_of_vertue show us
by HornOrSilk
What I've read can be seen as talking about the number of episodes being _made_.
July 5, 2011, 3 p.m. CST
v'shael /asimov
by HornOrSilk
Please, calm down. This is the DocBack. We need to be charitable, ok?
July 5, 2011, 3:13 p.m. CST
Yeah Hornosik
by shibleybc
Quite right good sir, tempers are getting far to hot :P
July 5, 2011, 3:13 p.m. CST
Puts on best "scouse" accent.........
by shibleybc
Calm Down, Calm Down :)
July 5, 2011, 3:33 p.m. CST
MOV- I thank you sincerely for your comments sir....
by sam jacksons wig
....I thank you for your efforts to calm things down and can state for the record that none of what has been mentioned previously has had anything to do with yourself, apart from the minor exception of backing up your comments with fact. the major issue we have had is that of silence, and with the silence followed contradiction. We really didn't give a stuff about private eye or other trolling websites; our passion for this show (and it's out there in every line each of us type) and the lack of information we were receiving from OFFICIAL sources seemed to indicate trouble ahead. All we asked was for someone to tell us something, and that someone to be in a position to give us fact. I appreciate where your alliegiances lie (and that's not a derogattory statement towards you) and your passion to protect, but I still say that if this whole affair had been handled professionally and based on fact in the first place then we would have all been the better for it. Can I guarantee that there will be no more posts or moans and gripes about the situation? No, I cannot, as there is bound to be something that pisses someone off- hey, we're all individuals, right??? What I can state is that as we approach the latter half of the year and WHO approaches, you will see more passion on these threads for a show that has reached into our lives and had a profound effect on us than anywhere else on any site you could possibly name. We are DocBackewrs....and fuck me, WE ARE PROUD OF IT!!!! SJW.
July 5, 2011, 3:34 p.m. CST
Horn- completely agree. It's becoming "The Doctors Daughter" thread all over again!!!
by sam jacksons wig
July 5, 2011, 3:34 p.m. CST
Oh and Horn, how the devil are you sir????
by sam jacksons wig
July 5, 2011, 3:35 p.m. CST
Axcel- may we say that Frozen has now....... melted.......??? And will she kill us for it??
by sam jacksons wig
July 5, 2011, 3:38 p.m. CST
Shibs- you honor me!!! I shall compose a sonnet in your name!!!
by sam jacksons wig
Although what the fuck I am going to find that rhymes with shibleybc is anyones idea!!!! Or maybe..... ;))
July 5, 2011, 3:39 p.m. CST
hornorsilk ARGH!
by Mister Vertue
If you don't work for a tabloid, then I suggest you need a change of career (and I mean that in the nicest possible way). I obviously need to clarify even further. I believe the question that was asked was something along the lines of 'How many episodes will we see in 2012?' and The Moff in his infinite wisdom answered (again, something along the lines of) 'There'll be the same number of episodes next year'. The general viewing public are not being tricked by clever wordplay or anything sinister like that. I assume you're thinking that they're making 13 episodes, but only showing 6 or 7 of them and holding the rest back for 2013? That is most definitely *NOT* the case. The BBC are making the usual number of episodes and airing the usual number of episodes, but not at the usual time of the year. It really is as simple as that. It's not smoke and mirrors. Nobody is trying to hurt the fans. You're not being deceived at all. Of course, nothing has been officially announced regarding broadcast dates, but it's way too early to know that anyway. There isn't even an official broadcast date for the remainder of series 6 yet! So please, just be patient and continue to support the show like the wonderful fans you all truly are and all will become clear in time.
July 5, 2011, 3:40 p.m. CST
Merrick- hope you are feeling MUCH better! Thanks for sorting out the thread issues! Who Da Man??? YOU DA MAN!!!!
by sam jacksons wig
July 5, 2011, 3:42 p.m. CST
There will be the same number of episodes
by HornOrSilk
Doesn't say the same number will be shown, it is still a vague response. I know how to play that game, and Moffat is playing it. Sorry, we need something clearer.
July 5, 2011, 3:43 p.m. CST
Sam -- as for me
by HornOrSilk
Just tired, fatigued. And had some hackers attack my computer over the weekend, causing me all kinds of annoyance...
July 5, 2011, 3:43 p.m. CST
by HornOrSilk
But I hope you and yours are all well.
July 5, 2011, 3:47 p.m. CST
Room for misinterpretation?
by Mister Vertue
I just read that last post back to myself and I'm rather pleased with it. I really don't think anyone can mistake anything that was said in there and read it incorrectly. At least I bloody hope not because it can't be stated any clearer than that! Number of episodes made = number of episodes shown. There. That's even easier to understand. And let it be known to the world that I hate maths. I really do.
July 5, 2011, 3:53 p.m. CST
@Man_Of_Vertue : Just want to clarify, as far as I'm concerned, Mr. Moffat has firmly answered the question.
by V'Shael
I know some others here are looking for any sort of wiggle room in the answer. But I don't think we need to. As far as I am concerned, the word has come down from on high, and that's that. Better late than never. And thanks again.
July 5, 2011, 3:57 p.m. CST
man_of_vertue what Moffat said vs eisigesis
by HornOrSilk
Again, when people are asked questions, they often give misdirection. He really didn't say the same number of _new_ episodes would be shown. He didn't really say that. You are saying more than anything official. Again, show us an official statement -- a place where we can see it-- and one which can't be misdirection. Some official statements have already indicated it is unlikely all 14 would be shown in 2012. Please, don't play us for fools.
July 5, 2011, 3:58 p.m. CST
@Asimovlives : No, I wasn't looking for a fight.
by V'Shael
But I've seen you get into flame wars on other threads, and I suppose I'm overly vigilant when it comes to people coming to the Docback just to act like they are shitting in everyones cuppa tea. So yeah, I made a mistake. But I mean, if Coaxial had a Stargate Universe talkback, let's say, and I wandered in and said "Hey, you guys probably already knew this from a while ago, but you know the show is CANCELLED, right?" I could be mistaken for being a troll, or at least acting like a dick. And that was kind of how it looked to me. I was mistaken? Then apology duly served, with no hidden meanings, crossed fingers or backsies. I apologise unreservedly and without any sarcasm.
July 5, 2011, 3:59 p.m. CST
Thanks MOV, your info is greatly appreciated.
by Rebel Scumb
I probably wouldn't have worried so much in the first place, but since scifi tv shows are currently such an endangered species as to be on the brink of extinction, it would of been too big a shame to lose Dr. Who with the rest. I'm electing to have faith, and take everything you said as the Doc's honest truth!
July 5, 2011, 3:59 p.m. CST
by Mister Vertue
Fair enough, I give up. 'The Moff' is lying to you all to make you look like fools and the show is being reduced next year ahead of cancelling it altogether in 2013. There. Expect an official announcement from an unnamed source (me) via the Private Eye website in the next day or so. And to save time, you should all get very angry at the BBC right away and send them very nasty letters letting them know how very angry you really are. I'm off to just switch off my television set and go out and do something less boring instead. Or maybe I'll just have a little nap.
July 5, 2011, 4 p.m. CST
By the way MOV
by Rebel Scumb
If you were a betting man of vertue, what odds would you give on an 11 Doctors special for 2013?
July 5, 2011, 4:05 p.m. CST
Thank you, man_of_vertue...............................................
by axcel1
Would I be right if I said that the only change we will see is the Doctor Who start date will be later in the year?
July 5, 2011, 4:06 p.m. CST
Anyone want to try and figure out some more of the 41 teasers?
by V'Shael
Because I'm stumped, and could use some fellow Whovian inspiration.
July 5, 2011, 4:27 p.m. CST
41 teasers?
by Rebel Scumb
July 5, 2011, 4:34 p.m. CST
ohhhh I see
by Rebel Scumb
Google is amazing. Whenever I have a dumb question I just type it in there and walah! The teasers are cool v'shael, I hadn't heard about this. I wonder what Octavian was right about?
July 5, 2011, 4:41 p.m. CST
Now I feel like a complete git
by Mister Vertue
What I've written is true, however, I have no way of backing it up. You don't know me from Adam. I could be 'The Moff' (I'm not) or I could be some internet lurker just trying to make you all annoyed for my own amusement (again, I'm not). Hopefully some clever soul on here can find the proof of what 'The Moff' said the other day and post it for others to see (Is that even possible? I do hope so). I realise some of you will remain skeptics even after every episode is transmitted next year, and will probably assume it was some kind of illusion. Or that the BBC had brainwashed you into thinking you had seen an entire series, when they were actually being cheapskates and had only shown 6 episodes instead, thereby making billions of pounds via some insanely evil scheme at the licence payers expense. They're clever at the BBC like that you know? Now somebody please find some footage (or something equally damning) of the actual question being asked and the actual answer being given by the actual 'Moff'. Okay, now I really am going to bed. 'Night!
July 5, 2011, 4:49 p.m. CST
Evenin All
by shibleybc
July 5, 2011, 4:49 p.m. CST
@rebel scumb - I think they're referring to Octavian saying
by V'Shael
that the Doctor should not trust River Song.
July 5, 2011, 4:52 p.m. CST
McCoy Winking????????
by shibleybc
Loved the faces of the doctor appearing in the credits apart from the above lol cheese!
July 5, 2011, 4:53 p.m. CST
Oh SJW we're all gonna suffer for the "Melted" thing ;)
by shibleybc
July 5, 2011, 4:54 p.m. CST
@Man_of_vertue - If you even see this....
by V'Shael
I don't know if any footage has emerged from the French comic con, but honestly, whether you're the Moff or not (and if you say you're not, fair enough) you've already shown that you at least have some insider knowledge, so I think it's a matter that can now be laid to rest.
July 5, 2011, 4:55 p.m. CST
Dear Merrick
by shibleybc
Glad you are on the mend :) did you get my e-mail? :)
July 5, 2011, 7:05 p.m. CST
If BBC America funds the show...
by Hideo Kojima
then I want to see the good Doctor travel to the American Revolution (or the War of American Independence for you brits) and hobnob with General Washington or something.. We already know he was in Early America since he helped Benjamin Franklin with his experiments in electricity...
July 5, 2011, 8:08 p.m. CST
Simon, you know me too well
by Renee Knowles
But I'm still amazed how I can scare perfect strangers from 4,500 miles away through TEXT. Damn, I'm good ;)
July 5, 2011, 8:10 p.m. CST
Oh, and for the record
by Renee Knowles
Didn't I always say it was prolly gonna be nothing at all? ;)
July 5, 2011, 9:09 p.m. CST
The Doctor really needs to have an episode set in Canada
by Rebel Scumb
Not just because we're still part of the common wealth, and not just because it's an awesome country. But because if not for the Canadian channel TVO (our equivelant to PBS) a lot more of the classic era episodes would have been lost forever! As I'm sure you all know the BBC was quick to destroy the master copies of a lot of episodes of their old shows with no foresight to the possibility of reruns or home video. But luckily, because TVO requested the tapes so it could air over here, a great many of those tapes got shipped to Canada where the were run over and over again on TVO. Thus keeping them around! I remember reading that a lot of the classic era dvds that have been released lately were only possible because TVO still had the tapes archived. Plus there are a ton of whovians here!
July 5, 2011, 9:10 p.m. CST
If the doctor can film in Utah, surely he can come to Toronto or Vancouver!
by Rebel Scumb
Vancouver is like a mecca for filming scifi tv shows: X-files, all 3 stargate shows, battlestar galactica, and a bunch of less impressive ones to!
July 5, 2011, 9:18 p.m. CST
rebel scumb
by The Transformed Man
Interesting information about Canada. I knew about the BBC's infamous taping over early episodes, but I didn't know we had Canada specifically to thank for saving so much of the library.
July 5, 2011, 11:40 p.m. CST
Horn- shame about your compuer being hacked...
by sam jacksons wig
...it's a complete pain in the arse! A while ago my wife had her e-mail account hacked and things got very tetchy for a while, especially considering the nature of her work (all that private stuff on what was supposed to be a secure site). Not good, and a bloody pain in the arse to fix!! Hope it's all better now!
July 5, 2011, 11:42 p.m. CST
Shibs- oooh, she puts the fear of god into me.....
by sam jacksons wig
...as one day I may have to make good on my promise and mow her bloody lawn!!! That she will now invent because she is moving into apartments again... ...so the lawn will be somewhere on the roof... ...and I don't do heights very well..... ...and she will laugh.... ...whilst eating a fruit and nut toblerone.... ...and not giving me any.... WWWAAAAAAHHHHHHHHH!!!!!!!!
July 5, 2011, 11:46 p.m. CST
Frozone Renee- yes you did say it would be nothing....
by sam jacksons wig
.....and now we can get back to talking about all things WHO, which will be the flavour of my next post if I can keep my sodding eyes open after an evening looking after sick people. But now 4 days off!!! There is not enough wine in the world that will quench my thirst!!!
July 5, 2011, 11:47 p.m. CST
v'shael - if I try and solve a few of the teasers, will you promise not to shout at me??? :))
by sam jacksons wig
Which ones don't you have?
July 6, 2011, 12:47 a.m. CST
41 teasers:
by sam jacksons wig
23- more than likely the Silents (forget them when you look away.) 35- Amy Ponds avatar. 41- Tardis made flesh (Doctors wife) 18- the Doctors clone. 13/25/26- Marc Thatcher lost in the Sahara Desert. 1- A return to trial of the timelords. 20- Madame Korvarian 22- Night terrors (episode 9) 11- A Christmas Carol "Finally, a lie too big!" 8- A good man goes to war. 14- Melody Pond 21- If it's taken literally, then we should have one hell of a fire on our hands at somepoint. 40- Dream Lord My head hurts- I need sleep...
July 6, 2011, 1:16 a.m. CST
41 teasers part 2:
by sam jacksons wig
10- Birthday of the Queen Mother; she turned 82 on that date. 21- The Space Pirates. (So, Curse of the Black Spot?) 39- You can't trust River Song- you think you know her but you don't. (Moff has just sated that we don't really have the half of what she is yet.) 40- a track from Tangerine Dream's 1974 album Phaedra, so a red herring. 27- a song by The Kinks, so another Red herring. 31- Room number from The God Complex episode. Now I feel sick..... must eat something and collapse into my pit dreaming of sunshine, Lollypops and rainbows....
July 6, 2011, 1:32 a.m. CST
OoH- 6 off the belt! Moffatbabies here I come!!
by sam jacksons wig
July 6, 2011, 1:34 a.m. CST
Yes, I know I contradicted myself in several of the 41 thingies....
by sam jacksons wig
...however, upon reflection I needed to change my mind. And I was high on cough medicine...
July 6, 2011, 3:26 a.m. CST
41 Teasers - Sam, a response.
by V'Shael
1) No way is that Trial of a Time Lord, or did you mean something else? 8) No, the Bow Street Runners were disbanded long before the Jack the Ripper time. 10) NICE CATCH! I guess they must be making a trip to the 80's at some point? Maybe around the same time there's a young amy and a young rory? 13/25/26 - No idea what your guess was even in reference to. 18) Possible, but that line wasn't in the episode. 20) How? How do you get Madame Kovarian from "Give it up, sweet Korn" ? 21) I think you might be right here. That's a very obscure reference indeed. 41) Yeah, maybe. Or the Tardis graveyard. And I think we have one more... 29) We've seen Marilyn Monroe, and Idris, I guess.
July 6, 2011, 5:33 a.m. CST
by AsimovLives
OK then. Good to know we are cool again. and for your information, i never troll. Whenever i have an opinion of a movie or TV show, i have very good reaosns for it, and i have absolutly no problem in telling why. There are many troll sin here, i'm not one of them, no matter what the people who disagree with me might claim.
July 6, 2011, 8:27 a.m. CST
by HornOrSilk
It's hard to tell. One thing which got hit was my email, and it was used to spam as you can expect. I changed the password twice, and deleted the address book in it. So far nothing new has been sent, but we shall see. Then, I've noticed sites which use facebook to make comments allow attack on facebook. So just all kinds of things out there which happened at once. I think I might have got some people upset on one site (using another of my nicks, dealing with politics) and that might be why I got hit. I don't know for sure.
July 6, 2011, 8:37 a.m. CST
And the site is back, it seems. Now, some SPOILER info for the hitler episode.
by V'Shael
In the desperate search for Melody Pond, the TARDIS crash lands in 1930s Berlin, bringing the Doctor face to face with the greatest war criminal in the Universe. And Hitler. The Doctor must teach his adversaries that time travel has responsibilities - and in so doing, learns a harsh lesson in the cruellest warfare of all. The episode will air before senior exec types on August 26th. I presume the air date will be shortly after that.
July 6, 2011, 10:36 a.m. CST
Horn, my mum says there are 2 things you should never talk about...
by sam jacksons wig
...religeon and politics.... ..I keep firmly schtum on both subjects.
March 23, 2012, 10:34 a.m. CST
Season 6 is now over...
by V'Shael
So the 41 teasers : Some still make no sense to me. 1. The Doctor will be on trial – twice! 2. Who controls the light sculptors? 3. You won't believe what's buried under Wembley Stadium. 4. Scared of the Eye in Space? You should be. 5. Take up thy sins and walk – slowly. 6. There won't be a pub quiz on Tuesday because there won't be a pub. 7. Beau Geste is cool. 8. Bow Street runners are cool. 9. Bromley-by-Bow is cool. 10. 4 August 1982 – Happy Birthday, Ma'am. 11. Some lies are too much for the psychic paper. 12. "I won't take calls from THAT Prime Minister." 13. "Marc, where are you?" 14. The only water in the forest is the river. 15. What awaits the TARDIS at the zero point? 16. "72 years on and Rory's still terrified of Granny Grainger?" 17. "I was lost in France." 18. "How could a fellow Gallifreyan stoop so low?" 19. Horror of Bangkok. 20. "Give it up, sweet Korn." 21. Argonite? Here? 22. An ordinary block of flats. 23. "If I saw them walking down the high street what would I think?" I don't think you'd think anything at all, Amy." 24. Find the lady – before she finds you! 25. "Margaret! Come back!" 26. The Doctor defeats the Sahara Desert. 27. Susannah's still alive. 28. Mill Green on fire. 29. The Doctor will get married – Twice! 30. What are the dangers of Port Olveron? 31. 502, but never 503. 32. Beware of the kites. 33. "A pillar of salt, yes – but not because she looked back. Looking back is good!" 34. They'll have to get a new name for Thanksgiving. 35. Pay attention – It's not really her. 36. Treading through the sand – on the one night they come back. 37. The Shuddering Brethren, they'll stick in your mind. 38. "I'm my own Doctor." 39. Octavian wasn't lying. 40. Mysterious semblance at the the strand of nightmares. 41. The bones of the TARDIS.
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