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Star Wars Episode One Title ANNOUNCED!!!!!
Here it is!!!!
This is it kids - www.starwars.com announces the official title for the first prequel.
September 25, 1998 -- One of the most common questions fans have been asking is, "What is the title of the new Star Wars movie?" We're happy to report that George Lucas has decided to name the new movie "Star Wars: Episode I -- The Phantom Menace." As announced earlier, the new movie will appear in theaters in the United States and Canada on May 21st, 1999.
Call me Torgo
Alright folks, now I'm sure some of you are undoubtedly going nuts, saying, "This isn't a title to a Star Wars film!" but let me assure you it is. I'm not talking about whether or not it is a real official title, because that we already know. What I'm talking about is does it belong. It does.
First off you have to think about Lucas' primary inspiration for STAR WARS. The old Buster Crabbe FLASH GORDON and BUCK ROGERS serials. Hell, Gene Autrey was in one called THE PHANTOM EMPIRE, that serial rocked by the way. The Star Wars saga is very much the greatest SERIAL the world has ever seen. And as a rule, all serials began with titles like this one. You see THE PHANTOM MENACE is the perfect title for Chapter One of a serial.
It sets up a forboding tone. Making references to the secret enemy from within. There is the enemy that has been there all along. It creates an aura of mystery and yet is every bit as popcorny as the EMPIRE STRIKES BACK or A NEW HOPE. THE PHANTOM MENACE is wonderful, and it plays into the story that will unfurl after the title crawls into the vastness of space. Of course not all of us fans grew up on the classic serials. I recommend spending a few hours with SPY SMASHER, MYSTERIOUS DR SATAN, THE PHANTOM EMPIRE, FLASH GORDON, BUCK ROGERS, ZORRO'S FIGHTING LEGION, THE ADVENTURES OF CAPTAIN MARVEL, PERILS OF NYOKA, etc... Check them out at your video store. The whole rolling crawl comes straight from this. The cliffhanger endings. The melodramatic thrill chase... remember the serial's title is still STAR WARS, this is merely the chapter name. So there you have my opinion on the title...
It sets up a forboding tone. Making references to the secret enemy from within. There is the enemy that has been there all along. It creates an aura of mystery and yet is every bit as popcorny as the EMPIRE STRIKES BACK or A NEW HOPE. THE PHANTOM MENACE is wonderful, and it plays into the story that will unfurl after the title crawls into the vastness of space. Of course not all of us fans grew up on the classic serials. I recommend spending a few hours with SPY SMASHER, MYSTERIOUS DR SATAN, THE PHANTOM EMPIRE, FLASH GORDON, BUCK ROGERS, ZORRO'S FIGHTING LEGION, THE ADVENTURES OF CAPTAIN MARVEL, PERILS OF NYOKA, etc... Check them out at your video store. The whole rolling crawl comes straight from this. The cliffhanger endings. The melodramatic thrill chase... remember the serial's title is still STAR WARS, this is merely the chapter name. So there you have my opinion on the title...
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Sept. 25, 1998, 4:17 p.m. CST
Gut Reaction
by Reive
Offhand, I think it kinda sucks and sounds a little cheesy. But hey, we know nothing about the plot and VERY little about the characters. It could be a horribly appropriate title, unfortunately we won't find out for a while. Besides, are we sure this can't change?
Sept. 25, 1998, 4:18 p.m. CST
3-Word Title!
by Proffessor Ravenwood
I knew Lucas would'nt name it with a "of the" in the title... This is a cool title, and it proves that ONLY George Lucas knows what is really going on in the Star Wars universe...
Sept. 25, 1998, 4:18 p.m. CST
by Shadow
How can someone who created such cool movies think of a shitty ass title like that? It sounds like the name of some ballet or opera not Sci-Fi! George wake the fuck up.
Sept. 25, 1998, 4:21 p.m. CST
hold on a miniute...
by Proffessor Ravenwood
Give it a chance already... as if "A New Hope" was such a great title! Its just a title!
Sept. 25, 1998, 4:23 p.m. CST
by Etrigan
Isn't that the title for an episode of "The 13 Ghosts of Scooby Do?"
Sept. 25, 1998, 4:28 p.m. CST
You know what this title tells me?
by Proffessor Ravenwood
It tells me that we really have no idea whatsoever as to the storyline or plot of episode one. It tells me that whatever Harry has posted may have been a coverstory... It gives me great sense of hope for this movie... Remember how the title of "return of the jedi" turned out to be a double meaning... we didnt know until we saw the film. This is gonna be cool.
Sept. 25, 1998, 4:30 p.m. CST
by Johny
First off "A New Hope" was not connected to Star Wars when it was first released, nor was the Episode #'s, those were added in Later, second, the Title's always refer to something in the movie, and since none of us 'know' exactly how that goes, we can't say, I'm sure in 2001 or 2002, we'll like the tile, initial reaction, yuk!
Sept. 25, 1998, 4:31 p.m. CST
Sounds good to me!
by GIANT ROBOT
I don't know... hearing the title made me think of the 'red threat' and the McCarthy hearings. It made me think of 50's saucer and 'after-the-bomb' movies. It's even got a dash of 30's serials. If you don't like the title, hang in there. I think this flick is going to be less a dark and moody Gen-X flick and more of a Flash Gordon adventure. Flash Gordon adventures would be perfectly at home with that title, come to think of it. It might also be a good thing to remember that A New Hope pretty much redefined 'cool' in sci-fi when it came out. Wouldn't it be freakin' great to see that happen all over again?
Sept. 25, 1998, 4:31 p.m. CST
serial title
by TRON
The Phantom Menace.......?????? "Only the Shadow knows............!!! REVENGE of the Jedi Again? reserve your collector poster soon.....Disclamer at bottom of poster should read......title subject to change at Georges disgression
Sept. 25, 1998, 4:32 p.m. CST
by calhoun
My goodness. It really does sound like the title to an episode of scooby do! This title is out of left feild. Harry, since you've read the script, tell up, does this title make sense? None of the rumors that I've heard seem to jive with this title at all!
Sept. 25, 1998, 4:34 p.m. CST
Relevant title
by inticeinst
"The Phantom Mennace" title caused me to think of the X-Wing comic: "The Phantom Affair", which takes place on Tatooine, so this comic could provide some answers to the orgin of the ep. 1 title
Sept. 25, 1998, 4:42 p.m. CST
phantom menace?
by j griner
Why incur the name of the Billy Zane tanker? Just name the thing "Howard the Naboo Swamp Creature."
Sept. 25, 1998, 4:46 p.m. CST
You must unlearn what you have learned
by Danetheman98
this title goes along with what I have been told. "Do not expect these new movies to be like the last triliogy" This title goes along with that advice. This new movie already from what little we have seen looks nothing like the last movies. All of us just have to let go and just wait and see.
Sept. 25, 1998, 4:48 p.m. CST
The Phantom Menace
by Maury
I'm skeptical about this as the real name of episode 1. I think it is a ghost title to stem the tide of speculation. Like the boss did with Blue Harvest for Empire, throwing stalkers off his track. I mean The Phantom Menace sounds so hokey; and to begin the whole adventure with this as the title? I don't buy it. I think that G L really wants to surprise everyone on opening day. He's just throwing the dogs a bone!
Sept. 25, 1998, 4:49 p.m. CST
What the Hell?
by Paul Manzione
Is this an homage to the cheesy sci-fi films of the 1960's!! George, get a grip! Balance of the Force, The Clone Wars, hell, even the Battle for Endor was a better title than The Phantom Menace!!! Need I remind you that Billy Zane just starred in the Phantom about 2 1/2 years ago!! What's this, a sequel!!!!!!!!!!
Sept. 25, 1998, 4:56 p.m. CST
Oh my.
by Monkey
Someone should take Georgie-Boy outside and spank him with a ping-pong paddle.
Sept. 25, 1998, 4:56 p.m. CST
Possibly a fake
by Jared Lee
I don't think this is the real title. Lucas is known for his misinformation campaigns (i.e. Blue Harvest, Revenge of the Jedi). He even said early on that there would be a big misinformation thing going on to throw off internet geeks like us!
Sept. 25, 1998, 4:58 p.m. CST
by Bruce Wayne
"Balance of The Force" sounds much better. "Phantom of the Menace" sounds like a Billy Zane film with Walter Matthau Mark
Sept. 25, 1998, 4:59 p.m. CST
red herrings
by tony
Alrighty, Let's face it, the title sounds like it's a Hardy Boys novel. The Jedi fight Frank and Joe!!!! What about Chet and his Jalopy C'mon everyone, Lucas loves to keep changing stuff and I'll bet anything he changes the title. "Phantom Menace"--my cat has coughed up more interesting things than that title!
Sept. 25, 1998, 5 p.m. CST
Marketing Genius
by Wizard of the NWest
What a better way to start everyone talking about the movie than to publish something that people don't like. I don't buy it. -Wizard
Sept. 25, 1998, 5 p.m. CST
I have a bad feeling about The Phantom Menace
by danforth
I hope this is just a "Revenge of the Jedi/Blue Harvest" stunt. "The Phantom Menace" is an awful title. Awful. You can't say it without coming to a complete stop to pronounce both "m" sounds. And if you say it normally it sounds like "The Fanta Menace". I pray that this is a stunt. If this ends up being the title, then I am striken with a terrible sense of dread about all the other decisions George & Rick will be proud to announce. My outlook is bleak. Ugh.
Sept. 25, 1998, 5:01 p.m. CST
Funny titles
by Danetheman98
Even though I do not think the new title is that bad. People are responding with fire in their bellies. Just got this e-mail from a friend who says, why not use these titles: Breakfast at Chewies Weekend at Obiwans There is somthing about Yoda Fast Jedi Kill, Kill How chewi got his groove back Four jedis and a funeral Wookie nights
Sept. 25, 1998, 5:05 p.m. CST
by Geronimo
Today I phoned wit good old George, and he said me the REAL title: JETANIC. I'm 1000% sure! Believe me!
Sept. 25, 1998, 5:05 p.m. CST
oh please no
by The Kid
No. nononononononononononono. This is a bad title. "The Phantom Menace"? Please no. George Lucas knows better than that...I think. Please don't let that be the title.
Sept. 25, 1998, 5:08 p.m. CST
"Return with us now to those thrilling days of yesteryear..."
by Brian
Sept. 25, 1998, 5:10 p.m. CST
"Return with us now to those thrilling days of yesteryear..."
by Brian
Actually, sounds like an episode from one of those great radio or old movie serials, you know, the kind of stuff that spawned ideas like Star Wars and Indiana Jones in Lucas' head. Like an episode of the "The Shadow" or "The Green Hornet" or maybe even the old "Buck Rogers". Yeah, it sounds kinda lame next to more modern stuff with lots of punch and zow, but I like it. It certainly fits with my image of Star Wars. - Brian
Sept. 25, 1998, 5:11 p.m. CST
by Kubrick
I was just listening to some good rock and roll oldies and just as the song began I went to this website and discovered the great news! Yes!! Yes! Finally, a title for the movie. I think the title for the new movie (Episode One) is pretty cool. Not campy but neat, it suggests something exciting, mysterious and all-around COOL!!! Though, Lucas could change the name of Episode One of Star Wars just liked he did with Return of the Jedi when he originally announced that the title for Episode 6 of Star Wars would be called Revenge of the Jedi, They even did a poster with the Revenge of the Jedi on it. Wonder if on the posters for episode one, they'll use "COMING THIS SUMMER TO A GALAXY NEAR YOU" I hope so. It would be great, just like in the old days. This is a great day!
Sept. 25, 1998, 5:13 p.m. CST
It doesn't roll off the tongue...
by jca
I'd hate to be designing the logo type for the posters/trailers/media/ etc. Star Wars: Episode 1 -- The Phantom Menace Seems a bit much to me...
Sept. 25, 1998, 5:29 p.m. CST
The Title Sounds Gay
by load
It doesn't even sound like a Star Wars movie. It just sounds Gay.
Sept. 25, 1998, 5:45 p.m. CST
The Phantom Menace
by Bluto
It is amazing how many people here think that they should decide what the film should be called. Instead of going for some sci-fi sounding crap (like the novels) Lucas went for a title that reflects what Star Wars THE MOVIES are all about, adventure. Why are people bringing up the film THE PHANTOM into this. Perhaps back in 1977 you would have thought STAR WARS sounds too much like STAR TREK. By the way, who's making this film, the fans or George Lucas? He decides what it is called. If you don't like it, stay home and watch repeats of Battlestar Galactica or Space 1999.
Sept. 25, 1998, 5:47 p.m. CST
Title Wars
by Alex Messer
To all those who have a problem with the title of the new Star Wars movie I have two, very simple, words: eat me.
Sept. 25, 1998, 5:51 p.m. CST
my title
by George Lucas
Okay, You guys called my bluff. I'm not really calling my movie "The Phantom Menace". The real title is actually "Chewcocka and the Ladies of Endor" Hope you like it fans!!! George (the real king of the world) Lucas
Sept. 25, 1998, 5:53 p.m. CST
Star Wars: the phantom opera
by robert
Sept. 25, 1998, 5:54 p.m. CST
Star Wars: the phantom opera
by robert
And I thought the star trek movie title sucked.
Sept. 25, 1998, 5:55 p.m. CST
Noone reads the subjects
by Mel-el
Hey, This is crazy. the title of the first chapter. I agree with the fact that this news only serves to tell us all how little we know about the project. I see all this negativity regarding the title. I believe this is evidence of too many preconceived notions in the minds of all those awaiting this epic film. So many of us are looking from the outside in, and doing so we create a superficial ideal of what this movie will be. Everyone has to remember this movie has a story, most of which is a secret even to cast members.And this story will be nothing at all the story that all these know-it-all geeks purport.That's the fun of the movie.
Sept. 25, 1998, 5:57 p.m. CST
EP 1 Title
by Brian J Stafford
Thank God! Every single title suggestion/guess I've seen on the 'net made me think: "Christ, I hope the real title doesn't have this lazy-ass effect on me. I want something that'll jolt me and make me go 'that will be cool'". George has delivered, big time. I'm glad there are so many people pissed off about the title - I think that means it's good. A lot of movies have shitty generic, blandly descriptive titles and I didn't want Star Wars EP 1 to be saddled with one like that. "Menace"? Beautiful, threatening, exciting. "Phantom"? Ahh, what this implies - shadowy, felt but not seen, the enemy within as Harry says. Give me my PHANTOM MENACE T-Shirt NOW!!! Give 'em Hell George!
Sept. 25, 1998, 5:57 p.m. CST
by TheerPHANTOM
Sept. 25, 1998, 5:58 p.m. CST
Ep. 1 Title
by Jim
Perhaps "The Phantom Menace" is the name of the individual who just hacked the Star Wars website and pulled off one of the greatest Internet pranks ever. Hmmm.
Sept. 25, 1998, 6:04 p.m. CST
Try again...
by TheerPHANTOM
Hey, I'll try again. The above message turned out to be, well, a "phantom" message... Anyway, to all those people that are shitting Gundark-droppings right now... If you think about it this way -- Say you open a really amazing looking novel and the first chapter is called THE PHANTOM MENACE -- I think you'd be intrigued and interested and would think it was cool... Just a thought...
Sept. 25, 1998, 6:06 p.m. CST
The Force
by Flyguy
Hold on. Could it not be "phantom" as in unseen haunting thing? May not " The Phantom Menace " be the dark side of the Force? it is, after all, the major story influence of Eps 1 to 3.
Sept. 25, 1998, 6:07 p.m. CST
I find your lack of faith disturbing.
by Tulkas
What a miserable bunch of prejudice we have here. Who among you has read the script? I'm sure you won't be complaining when you shell out your $15 for The Phantom Menace T-shirts, and more money for The Phantom Menace toys, promotional items, posters, etc, etc. I'm with my man Roderick (who posted here and has a grand site at www.virtualedition.com); this title hints at something threatening that cannot be percieved. . .something we don't know a thing about since we haven't seen the film! So judge Lucas not too harshly. Without him, there would be no new film anyway, so what is there to whine about? As a wise green Master would say, "Title matters not. Judge ESB by its title, do you? And well you should not. For its ally is George Lucas!"
Sept. 25, 1998, 6:09 p.m. CST
I haven't trusted GL for years...
by Dan Druff
First it was the muppets and Chewbacca doing the "Tarzan call" whilst swinging on a vine in ROTJ. Then it was the butcher job he did on the Han Solo vs. Greedo scene in the Special Edition. Now this. I'm convinced the guy has syphillis and it's slowly rotting his brain. Doesn't he have any advisors?!
Sept. 25, 1998, 6:11 p.m. CST
by jerry
I think the dude who wrote in about the actual "Phantom Menace" being the guy who hacked the StarWars site may be on to something... It kind of makes sense...don't you think?
Sept. 25, 1998, 6:14 p.m. CST
The title
by wes
"A New Hope" doesn't exactly roll off the tongue either. Nor does it make much sense unless you've seen the movie. It's just as "serial" as TPM. Yes, it was only added when ANH was re-released right before ESB came out, but its part of the film's title nonetheless. "The Empire Strikes Back" and "Return of the Jedi" only make sense because they depend on the momentum and continuing storyline built by ANH and ESB, repestively. If you look at it a bit more objectively, they sound like they're from serials too -- and they're still very, very cool. Episode One, THE PHANTOM MENACE (which I bet will be the title), doesn't have anything prior to it to establish an obvious plotline. Something referring to the fact that its a prequel, like "The Beginning", would be horribly lame. TPM and ANH sound extremely similar if you actually take a second and think about it. Also, I agree with whoever said that it just shows how little we know about the full picture. May 22, 1999 (after you've seen the movie) you'll be thinking "Now I get it...coooool!" and "Gee, 'Balance of the Force' wouldn't have made any sense anyway". Sure, TPM sounds like a serial, but so does everything else with SW - because it was conceived from the very start to be the hugest, ultimate, modern, kick-ass serial slash movie fairytale. And that's why THE PHANTOM MENACE is one kick-ass title :P
Sept. 25, 1998, 6:18 p.m. CST
by The Equalizer
THE TRUTH "The Phantom Menace" is and will stay the title , furthermore WE ALL WILL GET TO LIKE IT ( AFTER THE AD BOMBARDMENT STARTS ) . STAR WARS WAS CORNY IN 1977 - Rip-off of STAR TREK ; NO WAY !!!!!!!!!!
Sept. 25, 1998, 6:22 p.m. CST
The phantom piece of shit!
by Alex Fugazi
"The Phanton Menace" my ass...can we say Indiana JOnes and the sons of Darkness anyone? you know, the supposedly real/supposedly fake script for the fourth Indy film out there on the internet. or how about Blue Harvest? 'The Phantom Menace' might work for episode 2 or 3, or 7, 8, or 9, but there's no way in hell he should start the first one with this title. the only thing worse than this, is Star Trek:Insurrection...
Sept. 25, 1998, 6:28 p.m. CST
Star Wars 1 Title
by Jack Burton
This is the coolest news I have heard in a long time. After reading the description that Harry gave it makes perfect since. George Lucas is the ultimate Jedi.
Sept. 25, 1998, 6:34 p.m. CST
Evacuate? In our moment of triumph?
by K-Gun
Sept. 25, 1998, 6:47 p.m. CST
Payback time for George
by Darth Militia
It is the most awesome title ever!!! For all the snoops, spys, and fellow geeks who cannabalized George's new magnus opus, I hope this title will serve as George's sweet revenge on all you geeks who spoiled it for everyone who were awaiting the most cherished and anticipated new film to come out in god knows how long. This title is obviously aimed towards a new generation of viewers who will watch the movie with the innocence and excitement we once possesed a long long time ago....
Sept. 25, 1998, 6:50 p.m. CST
The Title Fits
by Jasun
If you really think about it, "The Phantom Menace" sets up the story just right; It implies the shape of things to come, as the Empire has yet to be established, but we all KNOW that it is coming. Ah, the impending doom...
Sept. 25, 1998, 6:51 p.m. CST
could change
by Allen Newman
One story was that Revenge of the Jedi was changed to foil makers of counterfeit name merchandise. If that story repeats, the real title of the movie could turn out to be "The Phantom Threat" or something.
Sept. 25, 1998, 6:51 p.m. CST
by adidas
JESUS CHRIST!! THERE'S SO MANY FICKLE STAR WARS FANS!! You check all the Star Wars web sites everyday, hoping for more info, drooling all over your keyboard. Now all of a sudden you're anti-George Lucas, because of the name?! People are just stupid. Oooooohhhhhh, are you gonna cry? You can just stay home and watch Ep. 4-6, while I watch the new movies. "THE PHANTOM MENACE" RULES!
Sept. 25, 1998, 6:52 p.m. CST
Two words
by Daniel
Hey guys! Don't worry about the title. The only thing I'm ever gonna call it is Star Wars.
Sept. 25, 1998, 6:56 p.m. CST
The Phantom Menace
by Bryan
My first reaction was, "WHAT THE FOCK!?" But then I thought hey, it's better than "Balance of the Force," and it has an incredibly old fashioned feel to it which is so much better than if it had a '90s feel to it. And then I read Harry's argument about "Star Wars" being the name of the serial, and "The Phantom Menace" being the name of the chapter. And I think he's right. That does sound like the first chapter of a serial. And once again, I feel like I have no idea what to expect from the movie, which is great. I can't wait for The Phantom Menace.
Sept. 25, 1998, 6:56 p.m. CST
Ummm no suprise to me......
by Darth Militia
Naboo? Theed? Mace Windu? Jar Jar?? Now "The Phantom Menace."...just shows you that George has a completely DIFFERENT take on the new series...isn't that why he's an artist?? And for God's sake's, aren't we interested in his new vision???? I for one, cannot wait until "The Phantom Menance" will be talked about as THE movie of the decade.
Sept. 25, 1998, 6:57 p.m. CST
by calhoun
That guy above is right. There is no web site with that title. When Lucas has gotten up www.naboo.com, don't you think that he would get something a little more important, like the title of the movie too? Something smells fishy. I mean you would think that the title would be mentioned right on the first page of www.starwars.com, but it's not. It's on the episode one page. I'm thinking this is some sort of prank. Harry is right though, that old gene autrey serial DOES rock.
Sept. 25, 1998, 6:59 p.m. CST
by Taxman
Well my first impression was ick! But after reading it over and over again in everyone elses comments, well it's starting to grow on me. On paper its good, and implies an intriguing and unpredicatable movie, yay! It also implies a darker tone. But say it out loud and its quite a mouthful. Try saying it 5 times fast and you'll see what I mean. It just doesn't flow of the tongue, and I for one think that is an important factor, for any event movie. Perhaps a variant on this title could be found. THE PHANTOM THREAT perhaps, or THE PHANTOM PERIL or THE IMAGINED MENACE etc. you get the picture, their must be something better than THE PHANTOM MENACE.
Sept. 25, 1998, 7:03 p.m. CST
by Milange
Although somewhat suprising on first hearing, I think this is a good title. Why? Originality. Look at what George Lucas is doing with the visual designs for the rest of the movie, this is a very new direction, and I think a title which is really different is perfect to go along with it. The more I think about it the more I like it. People really seem to be missing the great thing about this title, which is the fact that it really does suggest, along with other things we have seen that this film will be taking the genre in new directions, and hopefully will provide us with something as fresh and vitalising as A New Hope. Personally I think this title is good news - it shows that George is being proactive rather than simply being carried along by popular opinion or expectations. I think we can all look foward to a very intresting film next year.
Sept. 25, 1998, 7:04 p.m. CST
it sucks this hard
by Go Kenny
Imagine, if you will, a giant vacuum cleaner the size of the entire universe, where it's fuel was made up all the energy in the galaxy to the power of a million. It is set on high. The title to the new star wars movie (I dare not mention it, for I fear people will overhear me and simply kill me for saying THOSE evil words together) sucks 20 billion trillion times more than this vacuum cleaner. Man...that title sucks.
Sept. 25, 1998, 7:06 p.m. CST
by Darth Militia
Star Wars opened with a battle scene and our "jaws dropped" and we were riveted by the magic for the next two hours...when "The Phantom Menance" opens, followed by the opening scroll...BELIEVE ME the we will FORGET the friggin title and our "jaws will drop" and stay there once again!!!!
Sept. 25, 1998, 7:13 p.m. CST
DOMAIN NAMES... here's the answer!
by Jon Solita
Why would George and Co. reserve www.phantommenace.com? They don't have www.returnofthejedi.com or www.empirestrikesback.com! Think about it! Lucas would have to run two sites then! Most of the information would just be repeated on both sites. SO... the title's real! www.starwars.com is not gonna release a false title just to see how it "flys" with the fans. The title's good, anyway, in my opinion. Jon http://solita.hypermart.net
Sept. 25, 1998, 7:28 p.m. CST
Star Wars, Homophobia, and Episode I
by P
Who's the bone-head that said the episode I title is "Gay"? "Gay"?! "Gay"?!! What planet is this kid on?!!! As a gay Star Wars fan I seriously hope this nincompoop is kidding. If the title was gay, I suggest it would be more like: To Max Rebo, Thanks for Everthing, Sy Snoodles or Padme, Queen of the Desert or Jedidelphia or The Mandalorian Closet or The Boys in the Falcon or My Own Private Dagobah or Even Slave-Girls Get The Blues or Prick Up Your Sabres or My Beautiful Boba Fett or Endor Is Burning or Tatooine Hearts or The Droidcage or Solo Eclipse or Taun-taun Companion or Personal Bespin or The Wampa Of My Affection or The Nub-nub Game And personally, I think 'Phantom Menace' is a smoke-screen.
Sept. 25, 1998, 7:28 p.m. CST
Domain Name Registration
by dCon
Well, the first thing I did when I saw the name was hit whois.internic.net, and I saw, as others have, that there is NO registration for this name. So I took a chance, and submitted two applications: phantommenace.com and thephantommenace.com. What the hell, if I get them, well, I have 2 really cool URLs that could be attached to a really (I hope) cool movie. If it's a hoax, I'm gonna be pissed, and host a site at that address with nothing but Howard the Duck stills and the trailer to Radioland Murders...I probably am the 150th person to register this anyway...no way I'll get them...
Sept. 25, 1998, 7:37 p.m. CST
Phantom Menace=Phantom Title
by Armbar
Hold your horses. Before you start clamouring about how horrible this title is or get caught into Harry's charade about how wonderful it is, realize that this title is nothing more than a hoax. Remember REVENGE of the Jedi? This is not the title for Episode One. Seriously, the film will not be released for another 8 months, the special FX aren't finished, the posters aren't made yet and we haven't even seen a trailer. Do you really think that George is giving us the REAL title, or is it more likely that its either 1.) a joke on the part of starwars.com or 2.) a temporary title that they're using to quench the thirst for knowledge of most fans(like Harry) Come on, this is not just Star Wars, it is the FIRST Star Wars of the saga, how swashbuckling and excited does Phantom Menace make you feel? Me: very little. This is supposed to launch us into the saga. This title may be a throw back to serials that George Lucas grew up on, but it does not aspire to the mythology that he has always seeked to create with the Star Wars saga. Have no fear Star Wars fans this title will change, and we will have the film that we have been waiting for so long.
Sept. 25, 1998, 7:39 p.m. CST
2 different views on the title
by Ovack
Here are my two different views on the new title for episode 1: 1) This is all part of George's "misinformation" campaign to throw off counterfeiters and non-liscensees (just like Revenge of the Jedi) Have faith in George that this will all work itself out. or 2) This is the official beginning of the end to what we know and love about the Star Wars universe. It still bothers me that after 20 years, George had to go back and ruin the Han Solo encounter with Greedo. I wish I had never seen the special edition because of that one scene. George did not want Han to seem like a cold blooded killer. That is what made Han Solo my favorite character ever. Look at Jedi. We had Ewoks, too many silly aliens and fireworks. Look what he did after Jedi... Howard the Duck and Radioland Murder Mystery. He is using a lot of the same people to work on the new Star Wars movies including the producer. I am not looking foward to having comic releif provided by Jar-Jar Binks (think Mikey from MIB) If this is the direction George is taking the new movie, there are going to be a lot of die hard Star Wars fans slashing their wrists towards the end of next May.
Sept. 25, 1998, 7:41 p.m. CST
Think Big Picture Folks
by karl
Seems to me that everyone who's bitching about "The Phantom Menace" being the title of "Episode One" is forgetting one important fact. It is supposed to be EPISODE ONE! Forget for a moment that you're a rabid Star Wars fan and look at the issue from the perspective of our children and grandchildren who will one day be fortunate enough to experience watching the Star Wars saga for the first time. It's logical to assume that they will see it not in the order they were originally released, but in order of the COMPLETE story arc. As dramatic as "Balance of the Force" may sound to fans, it presumes a prior knowledge of the Star Wars universe that will not exist for many first time viewers. Think about it, if you hadn't seen the original Star Wars, would "The Empire Strikes Back" or "Return of the Jedi" have meant anything at all to you? And there's a reason why "A New Beginning" was added to the first film later. Moviegoers in 1977 would have been asking "Beginning of what?" The beauty of using "The Phantom Menace" as a title is that it's descriptive and creates suspense without really giving anything away or making references to future events. I have a feeling that when we step out of the theaters next summer, the title will make perfect sense. Rather than put down George Lucas (who probably has more imagination that all of us put together), we should commend him for looking at the big picture and having enough vision to consider how Star Wars will be enjoyed by future generations. It has been, is and always will be his baby, and it's pretty damned presumptuous of us to tell him what he should name it. By the way, regarding an earlier post asking what Lucas has done in the past 10 years, do the terms Industrial Light & Magic, Skywalker Sound, or THX ring a bell? Under Lucas' leadership, these groups (under the umbrella of Lucas Digital Services) have had a huge impact on what we see and hear at the movies as well as HOW we see it. When I see a movie at a THX certified theater or go home after a hard day's work and fire up the THX home audio system and pop in a DVD or laserdisc, I know exactly what he's been up to for the past decade...pushing the moviegoing experience to the limit.
Sept. 25, 1998, 7:41 p.m. CST
Thorn's comment...
by S the Jedi
Thorn brings up a good point about the title not being registered, but then again, returnofthejedi.com is still available too... so, the fact that it isn't registered may not mean anything...
Sept. 25, 1998, 7:43 p.m. CST
by gunny
STAR WARS Episode 1:THE PHANTOM MENACE Is very cool!I like this title. Way to go G.L.
Sept. 25, 1998, 7:45 p.m. CST
"what a peice 'o junk!!"
by Stuart Hamilton
First of all, these movies will never be as good as the first three. Let's face it, sequals (or prequals)usually suck (no offense). My question is, how good will it really be? Im prepaired for a block buster as much as a flop... im pretty open minded about these things, but Lucas's story line might be, sort of out dated for the original three.
Sept. 25, 1998, 7:48 p.m. CST
What else?
by James Hamilton
I mostly agree with Harry. But for the greatest serial of all time I expected something grander--though 'A New Hope', apt though it is, is weaker and a lot less evocative and thrilling for me than 'The Phantom Menace'. Can't help but think of alternatives, even though I know deliberately little about the plot.
Sept. 25, 1998, 7:50 p.m. CST
by LUH
Its cool!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! Harry is right(sometimes he is not) but today he is right on. Its cool and I am excited
Sept. 25, 1998, 7:52 p.m. CST
"It is of no concern..."
by Joker
People, don't get your banthas in a tangle! If "The Phantom Menace" does, in fact, turn out to be the true title for Star Wars: Episode One, then it shows that George Lucas is working on something *original* here, not some unnecessary regurgitation of the existing Star Wars films. And that's what we all want, right? Not just to be taken to the same old galaxy far, far away, but to a galaxy far, far away where amazing new things are going to happen! Mr. Lucas, you've got my vote. See you all on May 21, 1999!
Sept. 25, 1998, 7:57 p.m. CST
by Hap Hapablap
The reason you all dont like the title is because its still new. The title hasnt set into you pathetic little pea-sized brain yet. So, take a deep breath, say the title "THE PHANTOM MENACE" like a 100 times, and it might actually sound cool.
Sept. 25, 1998, 7:58 p.m. CST
by Quint
I could be mistaken, but I'm sure that I heard/read somewhere that the studios wanted Revenge of the Jedi to be the official title and Lucas went along with it until he realized that Revenge wasn't a possible jedi emotion. If Luke had sought revenge, he would have been using the Dark Side. If you think it's refering to Vader saving Luke at the end, then revenge wouldn't fit either because Vader was doing the right thing. For the first time in the trilogy, he wasn't using the dark side. Anyway, that's just what I think. Personally, I'm gonna give the title a chance. I'll tell you exactly what I think of it after I walk out of the movie theater, to get right back in line, I'm sure, on May 21, 1999 -Q
Sept. 25, 1998, 7:58 p.m. CST
by Quint
I could be mistaken, but I'm sure that I heard/read somewhere that the studios wanted Revenge of the Jedi to be the official title and Lucas went along with it until he realized that Revenge wasn't a possible jedi emotion. If Luke had sought revenge, he would have been using the Dark Side. If you think it's refering to Vader saving Luke at the end, then revenge wouldn't fit either because Vader was doing the right thing. For the first time in the trilogy, he wasn't using the dark side. Anyway, that's just what I think. Personally, I'm gonna give the title a chance. I'll tell you exactly what I think of it after I walk out of the movie theater, to get right back in line, I'm sure, on May 21, 1999 -Q
Sept. 25, 1998, 8:01 p.m. CST
Title..THERE IS A PURPOSE
by Connor
Listen, basically, we know JACK about the movie. Most likely, it's a very good title. Think about "The Empire Strikes Back", now that is a pretty crap title if we hadn't even seen it yet. It's just that we've been watching Star Wars for so long, all the titles seem to fit. Also, Lucas probably didn't want a title with something like "Jedi" in because he probably wants this new trilogy to have a slightly different feel to it. Think about it for a while, visualize it in Star Wars' font, and it's actually kind of cool. Don't know about the menace part. I think most of us associate the word with Dennis the Menace, but remember, Return of the Jedi was once Revenge of the Jedi. Things change, and I think there's a very good chance the menace part might be dropped. Connor
Sept. 25, 1998, 8:02 p.m. CST
Star Wars: May the
by Amer
Sept. 25, 1998, 8:04 p.m. CST
Phantom Empire?
by kaptain kire
I agree that it DOES sound like a classic serial. Nonetheless, is it just me or was that an episode of Scoobie Doo?
Sept. 25, 1998, 8:10 p.m. CST
Star Wars: May the Viagra Be With You
by Amer
The Phantom Menace? Title sounds intriguing but it seems like something out of a 30s serial. The word "Menace" I have no trouble with, but"phantom"...well it sounds hokey. I am still not convinced this title is legitimate. Lucasfilm probably instigated this rumor to see what fans thought of the tentative title. STAR WARS: USE THE VIAGRA, ANNAKIN Now, thats much better..
Sept. 25, 1998, 8:10 p.m. CST
Great Title!
by BetterJedi
At first when I saw it I thought, "that can't be it"... but now I've come to realize this is perfect for Episode One. George Lucas knows what he's doing. THE PHANTOM MENACE is foreboding of evil to come... it really does sound like the first chapter of a book. Way to go George. You did a great job picking this title. Keep up the good work. And for those of you who don't like the title, stay home this coming May while the rest of us are enjoying the greatest film ever to be made. I CAN'T WAIT TO ONE DAY READ "STAR WARS: THE PHANTOM MENACE HAS NOW SURPASSED TITANIC ON THE DOMESTIC BOX-OFFICE CHARTS"
Sept. 25, 1998, 8:17 p.m. CST
Not a chance.
by Royler
Not even from the same mind that allowed "Willow" to be thrust upon us could conceive such a hokey title. "The Phantom Menace" does indeed sound like an old Flash Gordon serial, but that was *50* years ago, when films were disposable and the public swallowed such hokum. "The Empire Strikes Back" and "Return of the Jedi" were still very much in that tradition, but carrying it a step further so today's audience could respect them. Even "Raiders" was a great title. "The Phantom Menace" is completely out of tune with what we know of the saga. Is that the point? I dunno, but come preview time, there's going to be a lot of unintentional laughter.
Sept. 25, 1998, 8:20 p.m. CST
George Funny
by Bob
I have complete faith in George Lucas and the job he is doing on the new movies but damn that title sucks.
Sept. 25, 1998, 8:32 p.m. CST
Episode 1's title.
by Joey
For those who think this title "sucks," you have to remember that Star Wars does not take place in our reality or time. There fore, a title like The Phantom Menace is perfect for a space opera like Star Wars. It also sets up the rest of the trilogy, in which Anakin gradually turns to the "menacing" Dark Side of the Force.
Sept. 25, 1998, 8:39 p.m. CST
In fact, I have the titular line...
by Doktor Lumpen
Yes, "The Phantom Menace" really IS the name for Episode One. I know because, you see, I am in the film and deliver the titular line. It's the scene where Anakin is learning to drive a pod, and I walk in, because I'm a stowaway on the pod, and I say, "Man, I sure am tired of this phantom menace..." I swear it's true, and I could get in a lot of trouble if George Lucas reads this... because of the secrecy forms I signed.
Sept. 25, 1998, 8:54 p.m. CST
by keke
serials?......searials?.......cereals?....me like cereal.......me like star wars seria-..er, cereals...me like them to taste popcorny.......me like me honey smacks that ass. get used to the title, people. i'm already used to it from reading all of these "talk backs."
Sept. 25, 1998, 8:56 p.m. CST
WANTED: New title for cool movie...
by Allen Dilling
What can I say? It blows for a star wars title. Give me something epic and powerfull
Sept. 25, 1998, 9:10 p.m. CST
Origin of "Balance of the Force"
by Quest
They would NEVER use "Balance of the Force" as the title to episode 1- why? because I saw it start- way back a few years ago on the AOL star wars fan forum message boards they had a folder topic on "what do you think episode 1 will be titled?" or something to that effect, and sure enough, once someone suggested using balance, someone used it in combination with another suggestion and created Balance of the Force, and that damn name spread across the entire internet somehow. I always cringed when someone claimed that was the official title. Q3
Sept. 25, 1998, 9:13 p.m. CST
The Phantom Menace
by Jim Rome
The only Phantom Menace is you retards who check these websites religiously for any new trickle of Episode 1 info. It's Lucas' big middle finger to all of you stoopid geeks. Every nerd, dweeb, and dork who has made these movies their lives and the creation of the new trilogy their only reason to live are the TRUE "Phantom Menaces." Don't you see? Like some washed up ol' actor/enterprise captain once succinctly put it: "Get a life." Stop complaining and just join the other losers that are already camping in line to buy their tickets for this suck-ass title having movie. And make sure to bring your Princess Leia back-packs and Wicket the Ewok lunch-boxes. You are all IDIOTS. I for one will just simply enjoy the movie and make fun of all of you people as you cry when they finally let you into the theater.
Sept. 25, 1998, 9:14 p.m. CST
by FERNANDO HERNANDEZ
I think the title sucks, in fact all of the movies have all sucked in my opinion. STAR TREK RULES!!!!!!!! Sal "I am your father"
Sept. 25, 1998, 9:16 p.m. CST
Hope its fake
by john
I really hope this is a fake title for now. Non-Star Wars fans will think it's a _really_ silly title. Oh man.!!!
Sept. 25, 1998, 9:22 p.m. CST
title crusade
by Maury
Listen, I have never liked the name A NEW HOPE. To me, episode six has and will always be called STAR WARS. Can I hear an AMEN from the congregation?! Yes, my bretheren & sisteren, STAR WARS! STAR WARS!! STAR WARS!!! AMEN!! HALLELUYAH!!!! the EMPIRE STRIKESa BACK!! JESUS, give a me strength...YES a... RETURNa of..the JEDI, AMEN!!! All praise goes to you, dear lord...for you give us strength to carry on, ah... carry on and say ah, say it with me believers, and believe it when you say it- THE PHANTOMa,...THE PHANTOMa... THE PHANTOM MENACE! Can you say it, can you feel it!??... I don't know, it's definitely growing on me... I just don't know if I'm a true believer quite yet... but it is alot of fun to speculate, ain't it cool? I still don't like A NEW HOPE. It sounds so... I don't know, how you say,...gay?!
Sept. 25, 1998, 9:24 p.m. CST
SW "fans": Go forth and multiply with thyselves....
by Frank Rizzo
I have one, just ONE question to ask of those who are trashing the new title: What would the new SW movie be like if we randomly chose 10 or so SW fans, even educated, literate fans, and let them write the script and choose the title? ANSWER: It would "suck dead donkey balls"!!!!! No, worse....you would have "STAR TREK"!!! It is a damn good thing this movie is written by one brilliant individual, and not a committee.....otherwise, you'd probably just have a remake of the other 3! Look at cars designed by committee, for example...toyota, honda, nissan, mazzzzz.....zzzzzz..... know what I mean? All the coveted classics were conceived by unconventional thinkers....likewise, any new trend starts this way, be it music, clothing, etc.....first "normal" people are appalled at how weird it is, then after they excavate their head from their nether regions, they realize it isn't so bad...I hope the next 3 movies are so stunningly different and unexpected they knock every SW fan on his butt, (rather than remakes like Jedi) and I think the title is a good start. Until May 21, "fans", try and keep the ole' c**k holsters shut until you see the title in context.
Sept. 25, 1998, 9:32 p.m. CST
Just Plain Wrong
by Halfscan
If you'll notice, they list the title not as "The Phantom Menace"... but as "Star Wars: Episode I-- The Phantom Menace." Seems to me that they aren't even hot on the title by leaving the "SW:Ep1" in there.. after all did we line up for "SW:Ep5--The Empire Strikes Back" or "SW:Ep6-- The Return of the Jedi"? Hell no! We didn't need the "SW:Ep#" to "remind" us! Phantom Menace just doesn't stand very well on it's own as a title like the previous films. It certainly doesn't evoke the images that the other titles did when we first heard them. Sure it sounds like a serial.. but it sounds more "terestrial" than "space opera" if you know what I mean. The name hints at a hidden threat, but be honest... not alot will be hidden from the fans before they enter the theater. Whatever the "Phantom Menace" is, most of us will know what it is before the lights go down on opening night... the title just won't work. I know that I prefer the more epic sounding "of the" titles.. stuff like "Fall of the Republic", "Rise of the Empire" (or "Dawn of"/"Birth of"). They refer to elements of the trilogy we know and so the series still seems connected... even WITHOUT leaving in the "SW:Ep1". -Half
Sept. 25, 1998, 9:43 p.m. CST
"The Phantom Menace" (T.P.M.)/ The Phantom of Menace/ The Phanto
by ChrisCTD
Star Wars Episode I: The Phantom Menace(T.P.M.) The new Star Wars title sounds cool. But wasn't this title "The Phantom Menace" used for a Phantom TV. episode/movie? ChrisCTD
Sept. 25, 1998, 9:49 p.m. CST
the url is there
by pj3
Type in www.thephantommenace.com. It takes you to the official Star Wars site. peace, pj3.
Sept. 25, 1998, 9:54 p.m. CST
It blows
by The Mandalorian Candidate
Why, oh why do I get the feeling this movie is going to blow chunks? What else can you think when Lucas picks such a friggin hokey title? Of all the things he could have chosen...
Sept. 25, 1998, 10 p.m. CST
by The Full Monty
Who gives a shit what the subtitle is?!! People will know it's a Star Wars film, so even if the subtitle is corny, they'll see it or not based on the name STAR WARS!!??? If all you can find to get all worked up in this world about is the title of a movie, either consider yourself lucky, or get a life. Personally, I find the title to be a little corny,but I'm not getting all worked up about it. I'm not going to see it for the title. I'm going to see it because you can't go back again and see Star Wars for the first time, so this is the next best thing. Seriously, you people should cut down on the caffiene, I'm worried about you.....
Sept. 25, 1998, 10:18 p.m. CST
star wars
by Benji Jahn Commotious
i have it on good authority (within ilm) that the title :The Phantom Menace is real. It refers to the out of focus footage. It was decided to make the bad footage integral to the plot and a doppelganger theme was rewritten into the script to explain it. This is why all the reatles were necessary.
Sept. 25, 1998, 10:21 p.m. CST
I felt a great disturbance in the Force...
by FilmGuru2001
My two cents, for whatever it's worth. A) The hacker theory is viable because, unlike when Lucas announced the release date, no press release has been made. Where's the info outside that one page on starwars.com B) "The Phantom Menace" lacks the flair needed to rock the world. Let's face it, Godzilla proved that blockbusters sometimes bust. C) George is only human, but he's not crazy. If it's not a hacker prank, George may be testing the waters to see initial reaction. D) I don't care what Harry says, Star Wars is not a serial. It's bigger than that, more grand, epic. Episode One deserves an EPIC title, not something that sounds like the first chapter of a comic book. Until George hires me as a consultant on these types of matters, I guess I'll just have to rant and rave here. --Reaper
Sept. 25, 1998, 10:21 p.m. CST
star wars
by Benji Jahn Commotious
i have it on good authority (within ilm) that the title :The Phantom Menace is real. It refers to the out of focus footage. It was decided to make the bad footage integral to the plot and a doppelganger theme was rewritten into the script to explain it. This is why all the reatakes were necessary.
Sept. 25, 1998, 10:25 p.m. CST
phantom meatball
by Jimi
Nooooooooo! dont do this George! I heard the film was going to be called STAR WARS EPISODE 1: HOPE FOR THE FUTURE. Now thats a name...ties in nicely w/ A NEW HOPE since it will be similar in tone. dang...
Sept. 25, 1998, 10:35 p.m. CST
A long time ago
by Flagger
It was early May 1997, I was 9 and getting ready to leave for summer camp. I had seen some commercials (not knowing they were called trailers) for a new movie called "Star Wars". To my mind at this point, it was the most fantastic thing I had ever witnessed. But alas, I had to wait until I returned from camp to see the film. I was hooked. Today I own the original video releases, the boxed sets, the original with THX, the special edition, the widescreen versions etc etc. Yet I still go back and watch with amazement and wonder of the first moments as the rebel cruiser roars over the top of the screen in the first video I ever bought. I think of that email circulating around about kids born in 1980 going to college. "To them the effects in Star Wars look fake". Maybe...but even the Gone with the Wind rerelease didn't touch the take of the special edition releases. I think of my ex's son not being able to comprehend standing in line for 6 hours for Jedi and I can only imagine what your kids reaction might be on May 21. Title or no title, nothing can dissuade my love of Star Wars. And Lucas has only proven that speculation of his vision is futile. My the Force be with you.
Sept. 25, 1998, 10:36 p.m. CST
"a certain point of view"
by Jedi Master Matt
I took a look at all the posts so far and can't believe that somebody hasn't caught on to this yet. The "Phantom Menace" isn't necessarily a person. I think it refers to the state that the Republic is in. The "Phantom Menace" is what nobody wants to notice as the cause of the galaxy's downfall. Greed, corupution, and general malaize allows someone with Darkside connections to manuever into a position of power. Palpatine takes advantage of this situation. "The Phantom Menace" is a good title to descibe both the internal (corrupution) and external (Palpatine) causes of the fall of the Republic. I have to admitt, that I didn't care of this at first. If at you look at it from this point though it makes more sense. It gives an idea that even though Ep. 1 is a "happy" film and that the Sithlord Maul may be destroyed, the real evil lies within the government itself
Sept. 25, 1998, 10:36 p.m. CST
by Jared Lee
www.thephantommenace.org is also registered now.
Sept. 25, 1998, 10:37 p.m. CST
I'll pay to see it.
by Dignan
The whiners can all go up to the ticket booth and ask for a pair of tickets to "Balance of the Force" (if it makes you happy), while I will gladly demand two tickets for "The Phantom Menace" and get my ass seated before you all.
Sept. 25, 1998, 10:49 p.m. CST
Who cares?
by RW
They could have subtitled this movie "Empire of Shit" and I still would go see it. Who cares? If forced to give my opinion, I would say that "Star Wars: Episode I" was a fine title in its own right, and could have been left alone at that. But "The Phantom Menace" is fine, too. I mean, it's a friggin' STAR WARS movie! There is nothing cooler!
Sept. 25, 1998, 11 p.m. CST
by Vasken
Sept. 25, 1998, 11:08 p.m. CST
Gullible net-folk.
by nerf4brains
Anyone who believes this "Phantom Menace" title is an idiot. Doesn't it seem a WEE BIT suspicious that this "official" title was announced only on the Internet? For all those people who say "When the movie comes out, you'll think 'The Phantom Menace is a great title!', let me say this....When ROTJ was being made and people heard about the cute little teddy bear ewoks, I'm sure you would have said "When the movie comes out, you'll think the ewoks are great! Trust George, he knows what he's doing!". Yeah right. If it sucks, it sucks. And as far as titles go, "The Phantom Menace" SUCKS. There's no law that says www.starwars.com has to tell the truth. They could say "In Episode One, Anakin is molested by a protocol droid and that's why he becomes evil" -- and there would still be people out there who would say "Of course it's true! Have faith! George knows what he's doing!" Look up 'gullible' in the dictionary.
Sept. 25, 1998, 11:11 p.m. CST
Naboo Swamp
by Alice The Goon
For a special treat, check out www.naboo.com. Please be patient, and allow the Misty2 applet and the Java script to load properly. And you will be in for a little treat. Pretty neat-o, huh?
Sept. 25, 1998, 11:21 p.m. CST
Oh my god. They killed Star Wars. You bastard!
by Pizza The Hut
I think this title is a cruel joke. I agree with everyone, it sounds like a 40's detective movie. Please George, change the title!!
Sept. 25, 1998, 11:26 p.m. CST
by BUG
Really, though, if you think about it, "Star Wars" sounds like quite a lame title too...
Sept. 25, 1998, 11:34 p.m. CST
Ep. 1 Haiku
by particle42
The Phantom Menace Does this title suck my ass? Only George can tell.
Sept. 25, 1998, 11:41 p.m. CST
by Snarky LaRue
"The Phantom Menace" sounds like both the title to a Scooby Doo episode ("Scooby, Scrappy and the Mystery of the Phantom Menace") AND the title of a Choose Your Own Adventure book. C'mon Georgie; tell us it's a hoax, huh?
Sept. 25, 1998, 11:42 p.m. CST
by Dash25SW
Drop the word "THE" from the title and it sounds great. "Phantom Menace" "Star Wars: Phantom Menace" "Phantom Menace: Star Wars Episode 1". Or how about "A" Phantom Menace? Adding THE makes it sound likt the title is based on 1 specific character.
Sept. 25, 1998, 11:50 p.m. CST
by JEDI JEW
Sept. 25, 1998, 11:53 p.m. CST
Excellent choice for title
by Jason James Martin
Initially, I was a bit shocked, because it wasn't what I was expecting. But, come on! The Phantom Menace! What an awesome title!!!! I mean, if rumours hold true and it is not clear whether Palpatine is the evil force (Darth Sidious?) he later turns out to be, what an utterly appropriate title! I am very excited about this development.
Sept. 25, 1998, 11:54 p.m. CST
by The Prophet
Man, what is everyone so up in arms about? You people act as if YOU created the movies and somehow Lucas stole them from you. I mean, come on, you guys go around calling Star Wars things like "The Holy Trilogy" and yet you don't trust the guy who made them to come up with something good? Hmmm, smells like a little hipocracy to me......
Sept. 26, 1998, 12:05 a.m. CST
The Phantom Menace
by Daniel
Well, at first I was taken aback by the title. Reading about it so much here, I've rather gotten used to it. But really, us of you are expecting so much from this movie...we want it to be so great that nothing at all about it will be able to please us. That's just a sad way to think. I'm the same way, so don't think I'm giving a lecture here. I'm sure we all have ideas of what the movie will be like, or what you want it to be like. But when we finally see it, you, we, or me are going to be so dissapointed because of it's not gonna be what we expected. Besides Balance of the Force and all the other fake titles were shitty anyways. I think it's just because so many of you expected that it would be called "something of the Force" that it dissapointed you when it wasn't. We're all probably just in shock. Give the title a chance. Innocent until proven guilty. We'll get used to it.
Sept. 26, 1998, 12:11 a.m. CST
Funny Title
by blah blah blah
I kinda liked one title I heard once: "Saving Private Skywalker". Umm...anyway....nothing wrong with the title. Who cares if it's fake or real. Movie's not coming out for eight months. Don't judge a book by its cover, etc. I forgot...I was going to stop reading these...Oh, well. Couldn't resist....
Sept. 26, 1998, 12:12 a.m. CST
Merchandising Menace
by John Spade
I can't believe more people aren't questioning the intent behind releasing the title so early! Maybe the title has nothing to do with its philosophical implications on the light side/dark side theme. Perhaps the menace it refers to are the shady merchandise counterfieters out to decrease Lucas' profit margin. "Thank God. It's a fake. You can tell by the cross-section."
Sept. 26, 1998, 12:16 a.m. CST
Episode 1 title
by AJM
Quite frankly Lucas couldcall it "Binky, for all I care. Whatever the title is, I'm GOING to that movie, I expect it to rock, and I know it will. And I gotta tell ya, I'm tickled pink that the title is something no one guessed at, it tells me that we are in for big surprises next May. I like the title, and even if I didn't it wouldn't bother me.
Sept. 26, 1998, 12:22 a.m. CST
by Drool Bear
Someone said that the movie name hasn't even been reserved on the Net. I found you can reach the Star Wars site at http://www.thephantommenace.com/ and at http://www.phantommenace.com/. I'm not sure myself about the name but I sure as hell aint going to rush to judge it and say its a sucky title. We've all seen pictures of that Battle Droid and STAP. Well, that looks kinda unreal and far fetched too, and I'm not quite sure it fits into the Star Wars galaxy, but again, until I see the movie, I really can't make a comment on it. I'm sure it will all be great in the end.
Sept. 26, 1998, 12:25 a.m. CST
by Harlow
I think Phantom Menance is a great name for chapter 1. Harry touched on Lucas's inspiration for the films as being those old cliff hangers (i.e. Flash Gordon) and Phantom Menace captures that vibe perfectly. Let us not forget how chessy of a name the first one had. STAR WARS. Cheesy...yet perfect. It captured the feeling and the mood of the film perfectly. Soon you won't even remember being taken aback by the title...you'll just remember how much fun you had living in Lucas's world for a couple hours.
Sept. 26, 1998, 12:30 a.m. CST
Dark Force Rising...
by Zoinks
...would be a much cooler title. I think it's laughable that just because some fans find the title inappropriate, they are chastised by die-hard fans. Die-hard fans being fans who think George Lucas is the king of all cinema, when he's not. With three films under his belt, he quit directing films and concentrated on producing. Empire Strikes Back, directed by Irvin Kirshner, was phenominal. One of the few sequels that surpasses it's predcessor. Return of the Jedi, however, is somewhat of an embarrasment. Helmed by Richard Marquand, Jedi remains to be the laughing stock of the trilogy. From the comical death of Boba Fett, to the first appearance of Ewoks, Jedi is filled with silliness that detracts from the overall mood of the trilogy. Lucas is famous for adding the Mick Jaggar lips to Sy Snoodles. Kudos to George for that brilliant contribution. Then came Howard the Duck, Willow, and Radioland Murders...not the most respectable resume. Then, of course, there's the 'Greedo shoots first' nonsense. So he isn't 'The Almighty Lucas' or any sort of infallible being. Granted, Lucas hasn't been on the right track, but who knows? 'The Phantom Menace' may turn out to be a masterpiece, or a piece of shit. My decision will be made on May 21st. I love the Star Wars trilogy as much as the next guy, but just because I think the new title sounds less than perfect doesn't mean I'm not a 'true' fan. It's ridiculous to swallow whatever's thrown at you. As far as the importance of a title goes, it's very important. It's the first thing associated with the film. Just think, what if 'Bladerunner' were named 'Do Androids Dream of Electric Sheep?' It just doesn't sound as sleek as 'Bladerunner.' Just as 'The Phantom Menace' doesn't evoke any fantasy related imagery. Any filmmaker or writer who reads this knows that a title is very important. 'The Phantom Menace' really isn't a very good title.
Sept. 26, 1998, 12:45 a.m. CST
It's only the title
by Geneva
Yeah you might not like the title, but hey, we all know the movies are gonna kick ass.
Sept. 26, 1998, 12:45 a.m. CST
judge me by my title do you?
by Severen
The Phantom Menace huh? First I just want to say I fully acknowledge that this could well be a false title, I have no idea one way or the other, so all I can do is comment on the information as I have been informed *could* very well be true. That being the case I must say that my initial reactions to the title 'The Phantom Menace' was "ugh...what the hell...", I guess thats what they call sticker shock, but since reading it over and over again it is kind of growing on me I must admit, and if that is the final title then I can live with it (like my opinion matters anyway in the greater scheme of things) but it still does lack, in my view, a certain something, a zing, a hook, a catch...that may well be taken care of once the film has been seen and the bigger picture comes into view, but at the moment it just doesn't seem to have the pizzaz of announcing the upcoming prequel trilogy. I don't hate the title by any means like a lot of other SW fans seem to, but it hasn't entered my star wars mindset and found it's niche for me yet either. Still with the mass of advertising, press, fan speculation and so on by the time the film hits I wouldn't be at all surprised if that title is as intrenched in pp culture as other things that at first sounded frankly stupid, without knowing much about them. I mean come on Chewbacca sounded like a southern passtime, not a classic sci-fi film character a few years ago. Things change and so do perceptions, so it'll be interesting to see if in ten years time we'll be boring people with anecdotes of how 'The Phantom Menace' was originally called Balance Of The Force, or how no one understood just what a great and inspiring title it really was, and how people were blown away all over again just like they had been when they saw Star Wars for the first time. Here's hoping that whatever it's called episode one lives up to it's bretheren and actually manages to excede the mountainous expectations that will be placed upon it, and that it is the film that we have all been waiting for.
Sept. 26, 1998, 1:11 a.m. CST
The Phantom Menace
by Kyle S
I think that the title of the first of the Star Wars Prequels is pretty good, although I was hopping for something like Guardians of the Force. I immediatly thought of The Phantom Empire when I heard the title and knew that that's what George Lucas was kinda aiming for.I personally thought that Mr.Lucas would go for something that was more indicative of The Jedi Knights or of Anakins character. " The Phantom Menace" would be a great title for the second chapter I think , but it'll do. I totally love those old serials like Flash Gordon, The Under Sea Kingdom and my favorite Zorro's fighting legion. Mabe Darth Maul will be kinda like Don Del ORO from Zorro. We'll see...
Sept. 26, 1998, 1:30 a.m. CST
by keroscene
is billy zane still playing the part of the phantom? is he still going to have that lame purple outfit?! i guess he finds a device to send him through space and time to the star wars neck of the woods. maybe he will train to be a jedi, and get a neat purple lightsaber. kudos to lucas for keeping this character alive. but why is he a menace? time will tell...
Sept. 26, 1998, 1:31 a.m. CST
Great Title, Lame Responses
by taoshaman
The title is perfect if the initial information is correct about this being a darker, moodier, "setup" explaining how the baddies became baddies and the Republic fell to the creation of the Empire. Fer chrissake, it's just the FIRST chapter of a larger story! Have you ever read a book with named chapters and then thought, "Christ, that chapter title was garbage." I didn't think so. To those claiming that E1 was simply, "Star Wars," review the film itself; the chapter number and title are clearly displayed at the start of the scroll. A New Hope. The Empire Strikes Back. Return of the Jedi. THE PHANTOM MENACE. C'mon, roll them all off the tongue and think about the great melodrama and adventure they signify. This title fits perfectly. Yes, Zane's stinker really ruined the word "Phantom", but that doesn't mean it should be stricken from the language! Even if this title turns out to be a classic GL bait and switch, I don't care; this title would fit in just fine. Folks who demand that it be more "prestigious", i.e., Balance of the Force, have been reading too many of the SW novels and comix. When asked about all the Star Trek books and other miscellany Gene Roddenberry was quoted as having said (and I obviously paraphrase here), "If it isn't on the screen, it doesn't exist." In other words, NONE of the books, comix, video games, fan chatter, etc., actually have anything to do with the TRUE Star Wars universe. The only things that have "really" happened to our favorite cast of characters are those that we viewed up there on the big screen. And that's the way it shall be with these "first" three films. I've been waiting for this film as long as anyone else and with as much anticipation as a 16 year old on his first "parking date", but in the end it's GL's baby, his story, his creation, and his monkey to spank. Second guessing him might make for a fun way to waste away a few hours whilst we're bored online, but posting pissy vitriol about how "He can't do this!" is just plain childish. Not that this message is anything better... heheheheheheheheheheh
Sept. 26, 1998, 1:46 a.m. CST
by DarthZachToo
Am I the only one that gets it? Phantom=Ghost. The title itself is a clue that it is fake. The title is a menace to those that will make counterfeit merchandise.
Sept. 26, 1998, 1:47 a.m. CST
Mhantom Penace
by dyslexic
I don't know....the Mhantom Penace sounds like a porno to me... hey look! 8==()O()==8 ascii x-wing ok bye...
Sept. 26, 1998, 1:55 a.m. CST
Remember the Star Wars Christmas Special?
by FAH-Q
Doesn't anybody remember the Star Wars Christmas special? It was pretty lame except maybe for the cartoon part. See, Star Wars sucks sometimes
Sept. 26, 1998, 1:56 a.m. CST
Remember the Star Wars Christmas Special?
by FAH-Q
Doesn't anybody remember the Star Wars Christmas special? It was pretty lame except maybe for the cartoon part. See, Star Wars sucks sometimes
Sept. 26, 1998, 1:57 a.m. CST
Episode one title.
by Mike
Alright everyone, lets calm down now. I must agree that upon hearing the title for episode one I was like"what the hell"!! What we need to realize is that nothing is written in stone. The title could be changed , just as they did with REVENGE OF THE JEDI. In fact if you recall they went so far as to make up posters with that title on them. As you all know, those original posters are worth a lot of $$$ now. So later on down the line, they could change it, and if they don't ...oh well. I am going to see this movie because it is Lucas and it is STAR WARS. I am not going to see it because of the title.
Sept. 26, 1998, 2:03 a.m. CST
Speaking of shitty titles
by Leonardo Di Caprio
Well I'd just like to point out that Titanic was not the best title either. In fact if the title "Titanic" were a scratch and sniff sticker it would smell like ass because it was just that booty. Yet, the movie was good enough to beat Star Wars in the box office. Shitty name=box office hit. Maybe there's a formula here. "I'm the king of the world!"
Sept. 26, 1998, 2:20 a.m. CST
Love it! Love it! Love it!!!!!
by cmore
Great Title!!! Im getting in line tonight! May 21, 1999...Here I come!!!!!
Sept. 26, 1998, 2:32 a.m. CST
this bloody title
by Taxman
Great suggestion Dash25SW. "A Phantom Menace" is much better than "The Phantom Menace". In fact "A Phantom Menace" is an excellent title.
Sept. 26, 1998, 2:44 a.m. CST
all the a**holes
by Taxman
All the wankers who keep posting message's complaining that people care about this title, go crawl back too your holes. I am absolutely sure that Lucas is thrilled that people care so much about his creation. And by the way, Star Wars fans are not sad obsessives with no lives. Your confusing us with Star Trek or Lord of the Rings fans. No, Star Wars fans are in fact made up of most of the western worlds population under the age of 50! Practically everyone loves Star Wars and we just want to talk about it. You don't have to be obsessed with something to be fan you know. If you don't want to talk about Star Wars then take your own advice and log off and go take in some sun, you ignorant mutha fuckers.
Sept. 26, 1998, 2:45 a.m. CST
by ASCII Boy
What's disappointing about the title (if it is the real thing) is how childish it sounds. I mean, come on..."The Phantom Menace"...ooh, scarey! ESB and ROTJ were cool because they were very direct and dramatic. Sure, SW was silly before the movie became a phenomenon. But, after all of these years, I think it's natural for both hard-core fans and the average moviegoer to expect a stronger indication of growth and maturity in the film series. GL hasn't given us any sense of that and last year's Special Editions were no exception either. It feels like the whole maturity level of the series is regressing. Now, I know GL cares first and foremost about appealing to kids but, frankly, the original Trilogy doesn't mean as much to the current generation of kids as they did to those two generations ago. Then there's the fact that kids today are, at worst, more jaded about movies and, at best, more savvy about them than their predecessors. I seriously wonder if GL considers these things. I doubt it -- he probably doesn't give a crap. The title is also odd considering all the cool titles that authors of the spinoff novels have come up with over the years: "Dark Force Rising," "Heir to the Empire," "Rogue Squadron," etc., etc. Why not "Star Wars: The Republic's Dawn" or "Star Wars: Menace to the Republic"?? And this whole argument about "The Phantom Menace" evoking the aura of old-time movie serials...let's be REAL(not to diss film history -- I myself have a degree in film), but who really CARES about old-time movie serials -- much less, even wants to be reminded of them when purchasing a movie ticket these days? The Indy flicks worked because they were good entertainment, period. Not because they reminded the mainstream moviegoer of old-time movie serials.
Sept. 26, 1998, 2:50 a.m. CST
Al's Summary of some posts subjects on Phantom Menace
by Al
OK, Originally I hated the title, I mean HATED. It sounds like a sick mixture between "The Phantom" and Dennis the Menace. I think both words suck and in combination they are comical. Read on... The Trilogy Names To me, the original names were utilitarian and were quite functional. They were short, sweet, and to the point, whereas this has style, which if you have been watching your Making of... movies on the Star Wars site, this is just a continuation of Georges new bravery in style. So this would justify such a name, however shit ridden it may be. The most interesting theory in all of these posts that contest that being the original name is that is it meant to throw off counterfeit products, since this will be the largest marketing in the history of film. It could also be a feeler, although I doubt it. The idea that its a hacker seems like a bit of denial. It also doesn't seem like he would dedicate a whole site to "ThePhantomMenace.com" since he has such a great site at Starwars.com and most people know about it anyway. Either way, instead of us looking at how past influences (comic, b-movies, Georges grandfathers pet name for his bad gas) the name, we should realize that this movie could redefine how we view this combination of words (this idea has been stated in many previous posts). When looking back, I remember thinking that, although functional, "The Empire Strikes Back" was actually a shitty name. I mean, "strikes back," c'mon. Although now its the greatest. The idea that George can't screw up is pretty off base as well. He was getting pretty cutie (i.e. the Ewoks in general, but particularly the Ewok baby) by ROTJ. And since he is buds with Spielburg, the influence is always there. I doubt the cuteness will be a big issue, but it is possible. Personally, I am more worried about StarTrek effects opposed to the more grungy Star Wars lasers and explosions. I dont want to feel like I am playing Wing Commander 5. OTHER NAMES Balance of the Force is truly a pointless and unsubstantiated rumor, drop it. Besides, its too much like, "Balance of Power" the Xvt add-on pack. Chewcocka and the Ladies of Endor is a good one, of course a whole new wookie would have to lead, since Chewbacca had no penis (at least not one impressive enough for prime time) that I saw. Personally, I think it could be changed to something else less shitty sounding, although after reading it some, it honestly is beginning to stick. Whoever wrote this.... "And now, Triumph the Insult Comic Dog will give his view on the new title: "'The Phantom Menace' is a terrific title. It's the best one I've ever heard. It's just a great title... FOR ME TO POOP ON!!!!" I have to give credit, good stuff, I laughed my ass off. I can see Andy in a purple suit and Conan chasing him in a cardboard X-wing right now. If he wanted to really get all involved he could name it, "Star Wars Episode I: Natalie Portman, ILM, 'nuff said." The name threw me for a loops, I am used to it now, lets get on to business......whats the second one called? AL
Sept. 26, 1998, 2:53 a.m. CST
by Taxman
I'm in a ranting mood. I HATE IT when people refer to all other readers as FOLKS. As in "hey listen folks". GRRRRRRR. WE ARE NOT YOUR FOLKS. I thinks Harry himself does this, and people are probably copying him. STOP IT. Thanks, much appreciated.
Sept. 26, 1998, 3 a.m. CST
Back in the day...
by Dark Penguin
Waaay back when Star Wars came out, my friends and I laughed at the cornball title. "Star Wars..whut zat, the movie version of 'Battle of the Network Stars'? Hyuk hyuk!!" When The Empire Strikes Back came out, we laughed at that one, too. And Return of the Jedi...well, we didn't laugh at that one, but we all thought it sucked compared to the cooler sounding Revenge of the Jedi. NOW I can't imagine those films being called anything else. Let's face it, none of these films have had awesome titles -- it's only the fact that we've lived with them for a generation that makes them seem cool. "The Phantom Menace" took me by surprise, but the more I look at it, the better it seems. By this time next year TPM will sound like the coolest title ever. In fact, in some ways it's actually the best title yet, since it's at least somewhat evocative and weird, not plainly literal like "The Empire Strikes Back," which if you really think about it is a numbingly boring title for such a cool film. Also, as we read this title now we have no idea what the tone and atmosphere of this film will be...it's possible that "Phantom Menace" fits the style of the film much better than something grandiose yet tediously bland and generic like "Balance of the Force" or the even more pretentious "The Beginning." Finally, since nothing truly original or forward-thinking is ever accepted by the majority of people, the fact that most of the respondents here hate the title is actually a good sign that the film will be brilliant, instead of the uninspired retread that it would have been if the fanboy legions had any say in shaping the project.
Sept. 26, 1998, 3:09 a.m. CST
To Dangerous Dave
by Dark Penguin
Just pretend they're calling you "ffolkes," after the character played by Roger Moore in that ever so cool action-adventure flick from the early 80's.
Sept. 26, 1998, 5:06 a.m. CST
What's wrong with this title.
by Tate
I've figured out what's wronge with this title. Many people have been saying things like,"It doesn't sound like a Star Wars title." Well, the previous names were all clear and distinctive. "The Phantom Menace" just doesn't roll of your toung like," The Empire Strikes Back," or "Return of the Jedi." I think the reason for this is that the first of the two words, Phantom and Menace, the first ends with M and the second begins with M. Just think, when someone on the street asks you what the title of the new Star Wars movie is, and you say, "Phantom Menace" just as fast as you'd say, "Empire Strikes Back," the words blend together to make some difficult to under stand phrase. You might get a response like: "Fantomenez, what's that mean?" The title may be as apropriate as anything, but it just doesn't have that StarWars sound.
Sept. 26, 1998, 5:10 a.m. CST
Jerky little asses........
by Frank Rizzo
Here's a little thought for you: Most of those bleating about the title not "fitting in" with Star Wars (as if THEY had written it, and had complete knowledge of the entire first 3 movies, what arrogant asses) are probably the same losers--YES, LOSERS !!!--that read and can't wait to get their hands of the next SW comic or SW book.....most of which "fit in" better than Phantom Menace because they are re-hashes of old plot lines and themes from the original movies.....once again, let us praise the Creator that George is writing this and NOT the geek fans......
Sept. 26, 1998, 6:03 a.m. CST
The Phantom Menace
by Andyevil
Sept. 26, 1998, 6:11 a.m. CST
Phantom Menace
by Andyevil
The Phantom Menace? It could be a great title, but we wont know till we know more about the plot of the movie. Could the Phantom Menace be a battle of the Clone Wars,or a secret band of the first jedi knights. Besides it's STAR WARS: THE PHANTOM MENACE. If ya say it like that is sound pretty damn good.
Sept. 26, 1998, 7:41 a.m. CST
Actually, the title's starting to sink in...
by Big Bob
Upon reading the title, I must admit that I really wasn't that excited at first, but after reading the billions of posts ahead of this one, it's starting to sink in...
i've never been a huge fan of star wars, but i think the main problem with this title is the word 'phantom.' they should replace it with a synonym that is a more frequently used word, like 'unknown,' even though that's not a very good word. maybe they should replace 'menace' with 'threat' or something, but it doesn't matter, because the movie will be judged by its content, not its title.
Sept. 26, 1998, 8:10 a.m. CST
"Are the fans making the movie?!"
by Das Ringking
The title DOES make sense, you dopey fans for disliking the new title! "The evil within..." What the word, "phantom" mean? Look up the bloody dictionary, ya blokes! It's a great homage to the classic pulp serials of the past, especially the titles (even in those days, titles appealed to the public's need for entertainment, remember... it was all radio, books, and films with primitive special effects along with a lot of imaginations!). Let's wait til we see the trailer and then the movie in May and we'll be convinced that the title seem appropriate BASED on the plot of that film, okay? Just be freakin' patient! Rob
Sept. 26, 1998, 8:21 a.m. CST
Sit down arm chair critics!
by myles
Message to all you arm chair critics who are bashing the title of Episode One.....don't bash until you see the movie. Then i think that you all will not be complaining. George Lucas is a master. I am sure that all of you could have come up with so called better titles. But who is making the movie?
Sept. 26, 1998, 8:38 a.m. CST
It's just a title
by jennis
Haven't you ever heard the cliche "Dont judge a book by it's cover"? Who really gives a $#:+ what Lucas decides to call the film, it's not going to have any bearing on how good (or bad) the film winds up being. Lucas could have called the film "Star Wars: A Jedi Musical" or "Chewbacca scratches his nuts", and I am still going to look forward to this movie.
Sept. 26, 1998, 9:20 a.m. CST
title shmitle
by idiotwind
back in '77, ""star wars'' sounded kinda silly, too. then we saw the movie. trust the force.
Sept. 26, 1998, 10:21 a.m. CST
Wank Warz
by PEZRIC
Who CARES what it's called? The movie is "in the can" and the title won't change what's IN the movie itself! It could be called "Star Wars: Attack of the Emperor's Killer Penis Pump", andfans would still go see it. Just click your heels together and repeat three times "Lucas knows what he's doing..."
Sept. 26, 1998, 10:51 a.m. CST
An Open Letter to Star Wars Fans...
by rosencrantz
My earliest memory is of Star Wars, no joke. I was probably about a year, a year and a half old when my parents took me to see it for the first time in '77 or '78. Of course, I don't really remember much. Primarily what I remember are a bunch of loud noises and big ships from the trench dogfight. Still, it's the earliest glimmer of anything I've got stored in this ol' noggin of mine. My shelves from the time I was three on were dripping with Star Wars action figures, and I had just about all of 'em. I had the Death Star playset with all of the cool foam "garbage." I had the special "swooshing" lightsaber. I saw ESB twice in theatres - the first time my mom dragged me out midway through because the "failure at the tree" scene scared *her.* Anyway, my point is, this stuff shaped me as much as just about anything, and as such, I care about it, so if that doesn't qualify me as a Star Wars fan, and as somebody with the right to say what I'm about to say, I don't know what does. Enough with my qualifications. I have a suggestion: why doesn't everybody just sit back, relax, wait for 21 May 1999, and let Lucas make his movie? Why is it necessary for everybody to second-guess every move he makes? Is this just a function of what this portion of the Internet demographic does, it turns everything into a fishbowl and everybody suddenly becomes a bunch of jackasses who want to slam everything? Let me put that another way: the definitive expert on "what makes something Star Wars" is not me, Harry, Glen, Patrick Sauriol, Timothy Zahn, Rick McCallum, the guy over at Cinescape (whatever he might like to think), you, or anybody else, but *George Lucas.* You know, the guy who started all of this with a 13 page, handwritten in *pencil*, treatment called "The Star Wars" back in *1971*? This has been his life for nearly thirty years. Do you think you know better than George Lucas how The Phantom Menace should be done, what should be in it, or what it should be called? Have you ever read the outline he wrote twenty years ago for the backstory that's making up the prequel trilogy? No? I didn't think so. I haven't either. And you know what? I don't want to. I'm going to do exactly what I suggested to you all above - I'm going to relax, wait for the 21st of May, and let George make his movie. He's the storyteller, not us. The Star Wars series isn't a Choose You Own Adventure book, after all. They aren't told via a series of fan votes. Let him tell his story, for heaven's sake. If he wants to call this chapter of his story The Phantom Menace, then that's fine by me. He's got a reason, and I'm sure it'll make sense. It's already grown on me to some degree, and I'm glad he didn't choose one of the fanboy titles like "Shadow of the Force" or some cheap, "Star Wars-ish" title. Because that's all those titles were - pastiches. Just like "Heir To The Empire," "Shadows Of The Empire," and all the book titles. Imitations of the style. Well, George defined the style, and judging from "The Phantom Menace," it sounds like he's ready to re-define it. Good for him. It's his movie, let him do what he wants. After 20-some odd years of developing this, do you really think he's just going to screw it up now? Let him make his movie. If he does his job right, and the marketing people do their job right, the whole country, you included, will be knifing each other for seats 21 May 1999, and all of this garbage that's been posted will be so much dust being blown out of a computer fan. If he doesn't - well then, you won't. Life goes on. But good grief, spitting out all this venom on a movie that we know *VIRTUALLY NOTHING* about thus far is absolutely sophomoric and stupid. Here's a thought - if this is what happens when, via the Internet and sites like AICN, the so-called "fan network" suddenly has something of a voice, then maybe that explains why nobody wanted to listen to us in the first place, and maybe it would have been better if AICN had never existed in the first place. It's turned us all into a bunch of cynical, negative jerks. Sit back, shut up, relax, and let George Lucas make his movie.
Sept. 26, 1998, 10:53 a.m. CST
Star Wars Title
by PAUL
As a bookworm, I have accomplished what all you cyber geeks have not. I have discovered the meticulous reasons why Lord Lucas chose "The Phantom Menace" as the title for Episode One. It is actually the entire new trilogy in microcosm. "The" is ep. 1, "Phantom" is ep.2, and "Menace" is ep.3. Someone earlier mentioned Joseph Campbell's influence. Well, J.C.'s favorite author is James Joyce. James Joyce's favorite article is "The." Pay attention, this is only the beginning. T-h-e. The "T" harkens back to Lucas' love for cars like the T-bird (A. Graffiti). It is his youthfu innocence in a letter, just as his film is going to reflect his Anakin character's youthful innocence. The letter "h" is also the second letter of his original film, THX-1138, obviously a tie in because this is the origins of the Star Wars saga. The letter "e" is but a distorted "o". which of course represents wholeness as well as the fact that the circle itself is a powerful mythic symbol. This foreshadows Anakin's distortion of his Force powers. Episode i. For Episode Two, P-h-a-n-t-o-m. The in your face capitol "P" is a hint of how Palpatine will dominate this movie and begin his rise to power. The next three letters together form the word "han," echoing back the name of a hero of the classic trilogy, Han Solo. This means we will probably see the Millenium Falcon at some point in ep. 2. The "t" is obviously a cross, representing a great sacrifice of some kind. It also brings in more Christian symbolism, confirming the rumors about Anakin's immaculate conception via the Force. The "o" in this word has a dual purpose. First, it is the first initial of Obi-Wan Kenobi, signifying his importance, as well as his becoming metaphorically "one" with the Force. It is a lower case "o" possibly to foreshadow the day he will give up his "Jedi name" and become simply Ben Kenobi. The "m" is naturally the unity of two "n's", representing the unity of Anakin and the young queen. They marry a the end of the movie just as the "m" is at the end of the word. "Phantom" is the Dark Side of the Force, an ethereal, intangible entity that is nevertheless dangerous. "Menace" is the third act of the trilogy. M-e-n-a-c-e. The big "M" again represents the strong unity between Anakin and his wife as well as the birth of Luke and Leia. The "e" shows Anakin's submission to the Dark Side, since "e" is an incomplete "o". The "n" demonstrates the fragmentation of the "m" which signifies marriage at the end of episode 2. The little "a" follows the same path, as Anakin forsakes his "Jedi name" that starts with a capitol "A" and begins his journey toward becoming Darth Vader. The "c" is a severed "o", as the old Republic is completely slashed in half by Palpatine who is now the Emperor. The last "e" once again represents Anakin's total immersion in the powers of the Dark Side. Obviously, all you naysayers don't know what you're talking about. Thanks to my analysis it should be painfully clear that George Lucas knows exactly what he's doing.
Sept. 26, 1998, 11:14 a.m. CST
Episode 1
by Newf
Anybody who says they like this title, whether they claim to be "true fans" or not, are fulla Bantha Fodder!!!! It's a dumb title!
Sept. 26, 1998, 11:48 a.m. CST
Indies vs. Blockbusters
by aranae
I would like to recommend the Q&A with John Carpenter that was posted on this site yesterday. In it Carpenter talks about how he tends to switch back and forth from low budget films to big budget films. The low budget films allow him the creative freedom to do what he wants with a film but lack the funds for quality special effects etc. Big budget films allow for financial freedom but are subject to money making backers that want to make sure the film will sell and thereby make certain that it will be well received by the population of moviegoers. My reaction to that was the same as most other readers. "If only the good movie makers could do big budget films and still have complete artistic freedom." That's exactly what Star Wars has been (with the exception of a few decisions on the first[fourth] movie-one of which led directly to the invention of half wookies, i.e. ewoks). Even the special editions were attempts by George Lucas to correct many of the problems he saw in the original trilogy including a personal issue with him, Solo shot first. It doesn't really matter that many of the fans disliked this change, the artist saw a flaw in his masterpiece and decided to fix it. So I hope that Lucas isn't reading this or any of the other posts here (and I'm sure he isn't) and I hope he isn't influenced by what we want or what will sell. I hope The Phantom Menace will remain the title and I'm fairly certain it will. As for waiting until after we see the film to understand the title, I don't think that's necessary. It follows the same general theme as the rest of the movies, the war between two great organizations in a galaxy and within a single man, Anakin Skywalker. The dark side of the Force embodied by the Empire and the good embodied by the Jedi. This phantom is a ghost of what will come, the rise in power of a certain senator and the corruption of a boy who will one day grow into a man who strikes fear into the hearts of every sentient in the galaxy. It may also have a double meaning referring to a short term threat from Sith or Mandalorians or clones or whatever it is that the Jedi are fighting and that I've tried really hard for the past year to avoid knowing.
Sept. 26, 1998, 11:51 a.m. CST
by PhantomMenacer
Well, all i can say is that it is damn unexpected, i would have expected a "Knights of the Republic" esque title, not a "Phantom of the Opera" esque title......but oh well, i'm just glad that i know more stuff now!! Till Next Time, ~HappySlave~
Sept. 26, 1998, 11:55 a.m. CST
Not as "grand" as it could be
by Gag Halfrunt
I don't want to judge it too harshly just yet - who knows, when we finally get to see this movie, the title may be perfect.<p>But it's just not as "grand" as it could be - The Empire Strikes Back, for example, is a great title. The way I see it, part of that films greatness is in the title. If that film had been called something cheesy like "Darth Vader's Revenge", it would have been that little bit less...magical.<p> Now we're stuck with "The Phantom Menace", which, to be blunt, sounds to me like a name of a particularly crappy episode of the outer limits.<p>I dunno, but it's just not Star Wars. I liked the title "Balance of the Force" - that sounded right. Even "Heir to the Empire". Maybe it'll grow on us, but I for one have my doubts. I haven't read the other postings yet, so I hope I haven't just reiterated all the previous comments. <p>Slan leat (goodbye in Irish...sorry, just showing off!)
Sept. 26, 1998, 12:08 p.m. CST
understanding the title
by pantau
when i first read the title on the official site i had a kind of negative feeling. it took some time to realize what it really was. i just don't get it. the title that is. i think that nobody can really get it until we see the picture so my hope is that gl knew very well what the backbone of his story really is when he made this title the official title for episode one. i think that we will all make our real opinions about the title only after we see the whole movie and will decide based on how much it matches the film. what do you think ? rich
Sept. 26, 1998, 12:46 p.m. CST
Mixed Thoughts on Ep. 1 Title
by Rogosh Eagle-eye
I don't know, this title just doesn't seem right to me. STAR WARS: THE PHANTOM MENACE. It's just too hokey for a movie that is supposedly state-of-the-art sci-fi. Please tell me, what would have been wrong with "KNIGHTS OF THE REPUBLIC"? Now that's a cool title. I've always liked the parallels between the Jedi and knights of old. I have to agree with a previous message, though. I think this might be a hoax to throw people off until the real title is announced later. I think it's a 50-50 shot it's a hoax. Also, I'm getting tired of people referring to Lucas as some sort of God-like figure. The guy made some good movies, but like someone said in a previous message, he's also had some flops. Just because the original triology was awesome doesn't automatically mean everything he does is infallible. I think Lucas is making a mistake by choosing such a lame-ass title. I love the old serials as much as anyone, but I think the title should be something resonant and majestic, not hokey. The movie will still make a zillion dollars, but let's face it, no matter what positive spin you try and put on it, "The Phantom Menace" is a crappy title. Rogosh Eagle-eye
Sept. 26, 1998, 1:10 p.m. CST
by The Full Monty
Sept. 26, 1998, 1:56 p.m. CST
not the title
by badass
this is bullshit!!!!!!!!!!!!!! i dont give a crap if starwars.com says this is the title or not, i don't care if george lucas is having sex with flash gordon, this is not the title of episode one. this is the same shit this page has been putting out for the last few monthes. harry, use some common sense!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Sept. 26, 1998, 2:03 p.m. CST
why the hell not?
by Devin C
OK, I have to admit that at first I thought that this title was as lame as they come. But then I got to thinking: Imagine yourself sitting in the theater one cold wintry day sometime in December. The DTS logo swirls onto the screen, the bass vibrates you for a while, and then it goes to black. You see the Star Wars logo zoom into the center. A few quick cuts to battle scenes, closeups of the main characters. A voice (you know, that guy with the really really low voice) says: "On April 21 1999 <something something something> a whole new chapter in the Star Wars saga: Star Wars, Phantom Planet." See? It could work.
Sept. 26, 1998, 2:23 p.m. CST
Guys, guys, guys...
by green lantern
You know I was reading some of your comments, I mean some were putting things like " wake the #$#$% up George". I think they missed the point, this is a SERIAL...Yeah we waited twenty years instead of a week, but it is still a serial. And the Phantom Menence is great title. I have been a SW since it came out in '77. And frankly, I'm getting a little sick of these "new fans"(not that anyone here is one of those) who read the books and think it is part of SW, well those books aren't, watch the movies, the are not Sci-fi they are Sci-fi Fantasy.
Sept. 26, 1998, 2:29 p.m. CST
by Mr.X
I don't care if it has to do with the phantom empire or the phantom jedi's or anything else. I don't like this Phantom crap. It sounds like the title for a comic or one of the old Droids cartoons. Couldn't Lucas think of anything cooler?!?
Sept. 26, 1998, 2:43 p.m. CST
ep1 title
by Sridhar Prasad
For such a huge movie, this title is really, really bad. I'm willing to give it a chance, but Phantom Menace? It's not a Star Wars title. Episode 1 sounds better than that. Whatever happened to the titles like Balance of the Force, which was cool, or some of the other ones? I think you need an "of the" in here, and Phantom Menace isn't good enough. It ain't KICKASS, which is what it has to be.
Sept. 26, 1998, 2:50 p.m. CST
Cheesy? Perhaps.
by Ben Aultowski
So what if "The Phantom Menace" sounds cheesy? So does every other Star Wars movie title! I mean, come on: "A New Hope"? "The Empire Strikes Back"? "Return of the Jedi"? Those have to be the corniest movie titles ever created! Just because the title didn't turn out to be what you wanted it to be doesn't mean the movie will suck! Everything Lucas has touched has turn to gold...everything!
Sept. 26, 1998, 2:54 p.m. CST
You Go P(16)+A(1)+U(21)+L(12)=50=2 quarters=Half a buck=A Buck i
by TERROR
Congrats to Mr. Pi hisself PAUL Gematria, and I liked CLERK's Informed Joseph Campbell Rant - o were these talkbalks composed solely of such panels... Of course Lucas is way into the Campbell mythology angle... in fact didn't Campbell consult on one of the Star Wars films? I hafta admit the title was kind of appalling when I first saw it, like a newborn covered in muck, but now I get unconsciously excited whenever I see it. I like what it suggests - the equivalent of THE EMPIRE STRIKES BACK Dagobah phantom Vader moment... There is a lot of great work that has been produced using the theme of a phantom menace. As a title it has great potential, especially because it is so different and unexpected. And even though I loved THE EMPIRE STRIKES BACK, the title kinda sucks. I hafta wonder how much our current political climate led to Lucas coming up with such a title - it seems more and more Phantom Menaces are the main theme everywhere you look. Even newscasters are catching on with not taking events at face value anymore and questioning the real motives behind all things.
Sept. 26, 1998, 2:55 p.m. CST
George Lucas and the whole title thing.
by Paul Ditta
Forget the title, worry about the film. Why do you think it has taken so long for this film to be made? Why, if George had the whole saga set up in his mind as far back as 1977 did he wait over a decade to take up the Star Wars saga again? HE'S OUT OF IDEAS. I love the trilogy. I've been a Star Wars fan since I first stepped into the cinema at age seven with my folks and got completely blown away by the spectacle of it all. But lets all be honest here...Return of the Jedi was pretty sucky in quite a few ways. Second Death Star? Ewoks? Running out of creative steam and succumbing to commercial pressure more like. The strongest elements of RotJ were where it resolved the holdover elements from Empire Strikes Back, easily the best of the three films. ESB had much better ideas, stronger storytelling and greater drama than RotJ. Apart from resolving the cliffhangers from ESB, RotJ was just some seen-it-before space battles and cutesy product placement. (My mommy, aren't the Ewoks CUTE) Even the "experimental" way he's filming episode one makes me pause for thought. He's filming, looking at various elements and THEN deciding where he wants to go with it. Correct me if I'm wrong, but aren't you supposed to get the script straight before you start filming? Isn't it asking for disaster to be filming while at the same time not being entirely sure what direction the film is going to end up taking? I personally don't buy into this "I've been waiting for film technology to catch up with my imagination." rubbish. I think it's quite simple, Lucas, in my humble opinion, has been putting this off because he really couldn't think of anything to do with the saga and I think that something other than creativity is pushing this new episode forward. The merchandising deals are all signed and we are being prepped to be milked like the money cows we are. I hope when May 1999 comes around I'll be the doubting Thomas with a large helping of omelette on my face, I doubt that I will, though. I truly hate to say this and I wish I didn't believe it but i think that episode one will make a shit-load of cash but, as a Star Wars film it'll suck like Jenna Jameson.
Sept. 26, 1998, 3:14 p.m. CST
Gotta be a hoax
by Matthew Kramer
Just remember, this isn't the first hoax. Remember the "Size Does Matter" poster? Strange this would be released on a Friday, instead of being released to the media at the beginning of a new week..... Hmmmmmm.....
Sept. 26, 1998, 3:17 p.m. CST
I agree with Harry
by Cliff O'Malley
The Title fits........... I think it's cool that Lucas has trashed a Bright'n'Shiny title for one that casts a few dark shadows over the Series.
Sept. 26, 1998, 3:58 p.m. CST
That title
by shasta
Never written to a site before but on such a momentous day thought I should: first heard the announced title THE PHANTOM MENACE and was a bit surprised. I think people were expecting it to at least contain the word FORCE thus hinting at the movie's ' metaphysical ' concerns. So, initially a bit thrown and disappointed. Then within five minutes I thought how much it carried the spirit of something like a Buster Crabbe Flash Gordon episode and began to warm to it. Then I shifted back to being a bit thrown - does it sound more like a spin off novel or comic ? And now - some hours on - I'm okay with it - let's wait and see how it looks on a teaser in the correct Star Wars kind of font. That'll change perceptions again. Still, I can understand many people's downbeat reactions - but , it does fit with Lucas' suggestion of a more tonally dark series of films. If anything, maybe it's more like an Indy Jones kind of title. I dunno - I love these films, films of every stripe, but remember - at the end of the day, it's only a movie. Harry - great site. Keeps us England based movie fans well informed. Cheers, James Clarke
Sept. 26, 1998, 4 p.m. CST
That title
by shasta
Never written to a site before but on such a momentous day thought I should: first heard the announced title THE PHANTOM MENACE and was a bit surprised. I think people were expecting it to at least contain the word FORCE thus hinting at the movie's ' metaphysical ' concerns. So, initially a bit thrown and disappointed. Then within five minutes I thought how much it carried the spirit of something like a Buster Crabbe Flash Gordon episode and began to warm to it. Then I shifted back to being a bit thrown - does it sound more like a spin off novel or comic ? And now - some hours on - I'm okay with it - let's wait and see how it looks on a teaser in the correct Star Wars kind of font. That'll change perceptions again. Still, I can understand many people's downbeat reactions - but , it does fit with Lucas' suggestion of a more tonally dark series of films. If anything, maybe it's more like an Indy Jones kind of title. I dunno - I love these films, films of every stripe, but remember - at the end of the day, it's only a movie. Harry - great site. Keeps us England based movie fans well informed. Cheers, James Clarke
Sept. 26, 1998, 4:18 p.m. CST
here's a thought
by Swoosh
Here's a crazy, wild thought. Did you guys ever stop to think that the title might actually make sense *after* you see the movie? Obviously the title refers to some event or theme in Episode I, and Lucas appropriatly named it such. You don't want to buy a Taco Bell cup the "Phantom Menace" on it? Since when is merchandising the #1 aspect of the Star Wars universe? I'm sure the name will fit with the nature of the film and that should be first and formost in deciding a name- not what looks 'cool' on merchandise. After all The Empire Strikes Back was thought to be a crappy title at first as well, although it retrospect it turned out very well. I think the title will fit the nature of the film very well. And remember Star Wars has an uncanny way of making weird things 'cool'- remember Yoda and Jabba the Hutt probably sounded laughable on paper too.
Sept. 26, 1998, 5:05 p.m. CST
by DwDunphy
Lucasfilm is known for throwing out false clues so the secrets don't get out. Phantom Menace may be a ruse, because I heard it was either "Fall Of The Republic" or "Rise Of The Sith (or Rise Of The Empire")
Sept. 26, 1998, 5:50 p.m. CST
by ALLARND
THE PHANTOM MENACE- I said- wow this sucks... then I thought... A NEW HOPE wasn't exactly a wonderful title that describe nor seemed to fit a film like STAR WARS... and then I thought- wait a fake title... well nah- BLUE HARVEST was to cover the PRODUCTION of the film- to keep outsiders, photographers, etc... a secureity measure... that would have been teh case had everything reported that THE PHANTOM MENACE was shooting at LEAVESDEN all these months... this is the titles... from the old serials... and let's not forget... many thought the films would suck as soon as the prequels came about... then it was the casting... everyone had their dream cast and many rebutted the actually casting.. but now I think most have agreed and learned to love the casting and story tidbits we've seen... don't go for the offical gut reaction... in MAY you'll all think this title is perfect... would Lucas spend 20 years thinking and dreaming up this film just to use a title he doesn't feel suits it? I'm sure he thought long and hard about it just as he did with EMPIRE and JEDI titles...
Sept. 26, 1998, 6:03 p.m. CST
"I have never had an innapropriate relationship with that movie.
by Bill Clinton
I wanted to set the record striaght and let the nation know that in no way did i have an innapropriate relationship with any part of that movie......the Phanton Menace. Some of my foes are speculating if I had a few Ewoks frequent my oval office. Let me tell you that i know the meaning of the word "beastiality," and by the definition that was given to me by the grand counsel of Endor does not in any way relate to my situation.
Sept. 26, 1998, 6:17 p.m. CST
It's growing on me...
by Colin
First reaction: Wha-huh? What was wrong with "Balance of the Force" or "Guardians" or "Rise of the Jedi?" Second Reaction: Hmmm...there's something appealing about it, I must admit. Nostaliga mixed with mystery, intrigue....it's growing on me, I tell ya, and I wouldn't be surprised if it didn't grow on some of the rest of ya. Star Wars: The Phantom Menace. I'll sleep on it....
Sept. 26, 1998, 6:18 p.m. CST
Yo wanna know something funny?
by john
What will be funny is when all the "die hard, my life is meaningless without Star Wars" fans show up to the theater only to find that Jim Bob, Bubba, Todd and thier girlfriends have bought the last tickets and your left crying outside of the theater as you watch all the folks with their white University of Whatever hats smiling all the way to thier seats. Then you'll scream at the top of your lungs, "They don't deserve to see this movie, I watch, read, play, worship, and poop Star Wars and they aren't a 10th the fan I am". Well, boo-hoo. Remember people, this is a movie that will be playing at public theaters for regular people and they are going to be thrilled to death to walk up to the booth and say "two for the news Star Wars movie". There are no special screenings for the 'who can prove they are the biggest SW geek', so think about how far you let these little things go. You may get disappointed when the people (who don't read these sites, don't watch the trilogy 10 times a week, and only decided to see this movie the night before because 'hey, I liked the first three and there's nothing better to do') buy the tickets first when you have been waiting your whole life to see this movie and that you once bitched about because of its title.
Sept. 26, 1998, 6:20 p.m. CST
Puff Daddy headlines soundtrack for new Star Wars movie.
by Bill Clinton
As CEO and feature musician of Bad Boy Records........I feel it is neccesary for me to release this vital bit of information on the day the title of the movie "The Phanton Menace" is released. I have been colaborating with John Williams for many months now.....and we have come up with a slammin theme for the movie. 'Ya all will dig this cut..........and you die hard fans will....like me.......be keepin it real! Peace...and may the force bust you in the ass!
Sept. 26, 1998, 6:21 p.m. CST
All that just to say...
by john
Calm down.
Sept. 26, 1998, 6:51 p.m. CST
it's cool
by szymon weglarski
I love this title. It has such a retro feeling to it, and it's so deliciously unexpected. Because if you could predict it, then it meant that there is no real imagination in Lucase's head. You'll all own tee shirts with this on them so stop whining. It's like you're expecting some kind of religious revelation with the title.
Sept. 26, 1998, 7:17 p.m. CST
Something to say
by Scott Chitwood
I like to post prequel bull shit and I and all my friends at TF.N like to download child pornography. If we like to trade pics that show children getting mutilated an raped then that's our business! It's called right to privacy. We'll do whatever we want.
Sept. 26, 1998, 7:55 p.m. CST
star wars
by greg orlandini
i am not married to this title yet. i have to wak around with it a bit. its going to be a grower. harry makes some good points about it though
Sept. 26, 1998, 7:57 p.m. CST
Return of the Jedi
by Taxman
I'm sorry for taking up space, on this board for off the topic comments, but I feel I have to say something on this. I have to wonder what planet people who dismiss ROTJ are coming from but people on this board continue to do it. ESB was originally my favourite of the trilogy but over time it has grown to be ROTJ. First and fore most because it contains the most moving and dramatic scene of any of the trilogy. I am talking about the final confrontation between Luke, Darth Vader and the Emperor, that results in Vader's redemption. It chokes me up every time I see that scene, I don't know why, I feel kind of silly for it happening, but it does. Which also brings out another point, ROTJ has the Emperor in it, THE BLOODY EMPEROR!! Any uncomfortable feelings caused by the presence of Ewoks, is totally eradicated by the awesome presence of The Emperor. ROTJ also has the most impressive and exciting sustained battle scenes of the series (although this is debatable, with the death star trench scene, and the snow battle being awesome). I like the tri-battle that occurs in ROTJ, the way each group must succeed for the whole thing to succeed, it triples the excitement. The special effects are the best of the series, and that
Sept. 26, 1998, 8:06 p.m. CST
by The Pretzelman
Ladies and Gentlemen, Geeks and Geekettes, I, The Pretzelman, guarantee this title is fake. Why? You may ask. Say the name out loud: "THE PHANTOM MENACE." Ask yourself, what is a phantom menace? An unknown problem, right? A problem Lucas is having choosing a title. Yes, that's right, the "Great One" is puzzled as to what to call SW1. We are being so ravenous over every bit of info we can find, Lucas has thrown us this Milkbone to make us continue to beg for more even though it is just empty calories. Trust me, this is no "homage to the serials." It is to buy him more time until a title is thought of.
Sept. 26, 1998, 8:08 p.m. CST
Lucas said he will name title weeks before
by john
go to http://countingdown.com to read a good article by the editors. then click on the link to an interview with Leonard Maltin and Lucas where L. says he was going to name it a few weeks before the release. I still think it's going to change. And has anyone heard this anywhere else.... NOT INCLUDING the Net???
Sept. 26, 1998, 8:34 p.m. CST
Oooh baby
by Scott Chitwood
This makes me want to cum on your momma, cum on your sister and cum on your grandma. This is great. I'm going to cum in your dog's mouth and cum up a sheep's butt. I'm going to cum on a goat and cum in a skunk's mouth. I'm going to cum on your brother and cum on your daddy's balls. TF.N rules. We're going to cum on your faces and your all going to love it!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Sept. 26, 1998, 10 p.m. CST
TO MAURY and TO HARRY and TO ANYONE IMPERSONATING ANYONE ELSE
by dave
Harry help!!! This talk back is degenerating into the same foul-mouthed mud slinging that appears in too many other places on the 'net. Please start regulating this place before it gets any worse!!!!!! To Maury: Did you really take those guys seriously? I mean, are you really that stupid? TheForce.Net is one of the most respectable websites out there right now, and you should be attacking the juvenile pricks running around impersonating these guys rather than giving some knee-jerk Scott Chitwood sucks rant. I am seriously missing the Jedi Forum on their website that's been down for two weeks. The people there just seemed so much more civilized, and anyone posting the pornographic and/or vulgur comments on THAT forum would have their messages deleted and their posting privilages revoked.
Sept. 26, 1998, 10:04 p.m. CST
Star Wars : New Title
by Crow Maniac
Hey harry. Just a quick thought about the title A Phantom Menace. It rocks. It just screams that something really bad is going to happen in the series(Clone Wars anyone). Thanks for your time Harry.
Sept. 27, 1998, 12:20 a.m. CST
Welcome To the Real World
by jeep93
Aren't you the least bit tired of being a sucker??? When THE PHANTOM MENACE appears on a big screen, I'll buy it. Until then, we'll see. Welcome to the disinformation movement. I hope you've enjoyed being pawns in the game.
Sept. 27, 1998, 1:50 a.m. CST
Any English Folk remember Tizwas?
by Berone
It started with an innocent browse on the net. Just a few minutes before I had to rush into town to buy some stuff. I thought I'd have a quick browse to find some gossip to caht about through the day. And what do I find? THE FUCKING `PHANTOM MENACE'? Please God, NO!!! That is by far the shittest title I could possibly imagine. It evokes NOTHING whatsoever, just a man dressed in black, known to kids throughout the country as the PHANTOM FLAN-FLINGER, throwing custard pies at Darth Vader, Margaret Thatcher impersonators and a tight-fitting T-shirt clad Sally James on Tizwas back in the 70's (remember the 70's, when films had cool titles like....Star Wars?). I was in genuine shock. I told my friends and they agreed - it's an appalingly shit title. I'll bet Ewan Macgregor was well pissed off when he found out (if he has). I know I would be. What about the cool names like `Balance Of The Force', or `Knights Of The Republic' that were being bandied around? Having said that, I shouldn't worry. As someone astutely pointed out on the net yesterday, it doesn't really matter what Lucas calls his film - everyone with a pulse is going to see it anyway. Yours hopefully (hoping that the title changes to something like `Blue Harvest' or `Red Tails'.
Sept. 27, 1998, 6:31 a.m. CST
Lucas's Inspiration
by Tequila
I find it hard to believe that the most prolific inspiration for Star Wars seemed to escape you for some reason. Akira Kurosawa's "The Hidden Fortress" was Lucas's main inspiration for Star Wars. And that new title in no way reflects that. I gotta say I think your grabbing at straws talking about Buck Rogers and all that crap. Even if he did take some ideas from those movies and shows, he would have to be an idiot to come up with a title that pays tribute to a lesser piece of work. I just think you've been duped perhaps by Lucas himself.
Sept. 27, 1998, 7:35 a.m. CST
comment on title
by FMulder
okay, i'm a big star wars fan. period. but, i have to say, the title kinda sounds like something from a cartoon show. the first thought that came to my mind when i heard the report was, Batman : Mask of The Phantasm (i have to admit, the similarities are way off) anyways, i don't think people will be going to go see it just because of the title, i think they'll go see it because they know they're going to get their money's worth
Sept. 27, 1998, 8:50 a.m. CST
fake title
by manticore
Remember when everyone was racking their brains trying to find out the official title to The Empire Strikes Back(or was it Jedi? Damn memory.)? Lucas told people to leak the new title as Dark Harvest. He even had t-shirts made saying Dark Harvest. But I think Phantom is the official title. He could've thought up a cooler name, since this movie is supposed to be the beginning of it all, but it could've been worse.
Sept. 27, 1998, 10:34 a.m. CST
The "Fan" Menace
by Wedge
I am glad that i am not George Lucas to have all you geeks on my back. The man is an great film maker and you will all be kissing his ass when this movie is relaeased. Even if the name sounds like a Scooby Doo title.....don't knock it till you see the movie.
Sept. 27, 1998, 10:49 a.m. CST
The Phantom Menace? BLEAH!
by RandomRanger
First off, it was ROTJ that had the fake title "Blue Harvest: Horror Beyond Imagination", but that wasn't as subtle as one would think because the stupid crew crap (jackets, hats, t-shirts) were all done in the same font and shape as all the Star Wars titles. Secondly, I think this new title "the Phantom Menace" is pretty lame and isn't good enough to title a Dark Horse comic book (maybe Marvel, though), let alone title the first movie of the greatest story ever told on film. Yes, it invokes that "classic" feel of the '30s and '40s serials (aka-American propaganda films). But this isn't the '30s or '40s - it's the last year of the 20th century. I'm a little embarrassed to say that I thought the title "The Star Wars" was really lame (I guess the "The" was the culprit). Maybe "Star Wars: Phantom Menace" would sound better, but it still makes me see rogue squadron comic covers (think x-wings streaking laser bolts while TIE Phantoms de-cloak). And it is true that Lucas hasn't directed jack shit in 20-odd years. That he's taken a new approach to movie making (what a great idea - if it ain't broke, fix it). I'm sure we'll all be ordering our tickets as "Two for Star Wars, please", no matter which side of this one you're on. Why? Because unless all the special editions are playing in the same multi-plex, EVERYONE will know what film you mean - Star Wars is THAT big (that and it's there job!). But, this movie will determine whether the people who don't know a wookie from an ewok (yeah, you *try* and find one) will continue to think of Star Wars at all. And a title like "the Phantom Menace" makes most people think of Scooby Doo, not something I want thought of when I mention "Star Wars". Of course Lucas should go with his heart with the title, but he may also want to consider the *earned* respect most people have for his beloved tale when he comes up with this stuff. Movie-making may be an art, but it's also a business. All in all, I don't like this name, the term "phantom" makes me think of Scooby and Kiss and poor Billy Zane. There's a few words that could replace it and still give the impact and meaning of the movie. And as for the 3 original titles, they all invoke feelings, not just because we've seen them and know what they mean, but also because they have their own meanings - "A New Hope", "The Empire Strikes Back", "Return of the Jedi", these are names that have actions that tickle the imagination. Look at the titles of the novels and comics, they don't inspire the same way, do they? And that's why they could never have the story telling that the first 3 movies do - their titles usually don't invoke as much... emotion, imagination, consideration, power - call it what you will, but pick up "Star Wars: Shadows of the Empire", a great story (and multi-media experience *yank yank*). Does it do it for you? Like ESB, ROTJ, or even ANH? I doubt it, and I doubt the public will feel as strongly about the title "the Phantom Menace". Of course, as long as it has "Star Wars:" before it, it'll sell like hotcakes. Hell, Lucas could re-issue Howard the Duck with "Star Wars:" before it, and it would get a fortune. "SW:HtD" - scary, huh? -- the Random Ranger
Sept. 27, 1998, 11:28 a.m. CST
dictionary definition
by jones
Sept. 27, 1998, 11:28 a.m. CST
sorry for the long post...
by RandomRanger
Sorry for that novel I posted above, I guess my feelings were stronger than I thought on this. I would like to touch on one more thing though... If it wasn't for us fans and our feelings about Star Wars,"A New Hope" would be sitting on the shelf next to Ice Pirates in the video store, ESB and ROTJ would be pipe dreams, and Lucas would be making "American Graphitti 6: Revenge of Ron Howard". So, to piss off many fans of your extremely fruitful, yet completely fan-driven, lucrative movie franchise may not be the best way to make another few bucks. I mean, it's not like we're asking you to completely write-out Palpatine because he's "icky", some of us just think that the name is worse than dog vomit. -- the Random Ranger
Sept. 27, 1998, 11:41 a.m. CST
dictionary definition
by jones
phantom - n. 1. something apparently sean, heard or sensed, but having no physical reality; ghost, specter. 2. an image that appears only in the mind. --adj. unreal; ghostlike. menace - n. 1. a threat; 2. a troublesome or annoying person.
Sept. 27, 1998, 12:04 p.m. CST
by Dave the Movie Guy
So this is Episode One, right? So Lucas wrote it FIRST, right? Or at least, he knew what it was going to be about, right? Right? SO, what if he NAMED it first? Do you think you people will help him change his mind about the title, even though it's possible that he made up his mind twenty years ago? And while we're talking about Lame Titles for Awesome Media, consider: X-Wing, Tie Fighter, Rebel Assault, Dark Empire, Dark Forces, the list goes on. Hello? Does anyone have some originality we could borrow? Yes, you in the back, with the beard?
Sept. 27, 1998, 12:19 p.m. CST
by Luis
STOP doubting George Lucas! YOU HIPPOCRITES YOU know that "THE Phantom Menace" is a title that will surely make sense once you see this masterpiece NOW STOP MAKING REMARKS AND BAD JOKES!
Sept. 27, 1998, 12:27 p.m. CST
Maybe the shine has rubbed off....
by Kevin
This title sucks...hard. I don't care for the argument "It's just the title" If this is supposed to be the greatest cinematic event of all time, the title must reflect this! Perhaps, however, Lucas has really just been lucky. A New Hope and Empire kicked ass, but Jedi was very weak (with the exception of the throne room sabre fight) Has Lucas created anything of note since? Nope (Put your hands down, all you Radioland Murders/Willow fans :-) I mean, sure, it would be nice if this movie kicks ass, but perhaps Lucas just doesn't have it anymore. The 15 years wait since Return of the Jedi may have been too much for him...The anticipation for this film may be too much for him. He is only human afterall... Perhaps he really has no clue why the original trilogy were so popular. Of course, I'm sure the new film will be great fun, a technological feat....let's just hope Lucas doesn't have "delusions of grandeur".
Sept. 27, 1998, 12:39 p.m. CST
Gut reaction
by Merano
My first reaction to the title: Yuck. What is Lucas thinking, anyway? Then I remember that Return of the Jedi was Revenge... almost until premiere date, and look at how many "official" titles the upcoming Star Trek flick has had before they settled on Insurrection, and I take heart.
Sept. 27, 1998, 1:01 p.m. CST
POINTS OF A FALSE TITLE: consider
by ALLARND
Ok, I love the title- but I've been thinking: 1) On the offical site- when you put the mouse over EPISODE 1 it doesn't say PHANTOM MENACE in the regard the other films chapters say A NEW HOPE, EMPIRE, JEDI.. odd they wouldn't up date this. 2) It was said the film wouldn't be named until a few weeks before it's release... we'll it was said but that's stupid- that means no posters, toys, etc with the title on it until MAY... please- what a wasted marketing strategy- everyone knows it as EPISODE 1 and then in MAY we'll change it to a different title... better get it set in stone now I'd say... 3) THE TOYS: Ok, there is the BATTLE DROID TOY coming soon and a mail away MACE WINDU figure- there are pictures on the net with the packaging- which reads EPISODE 1... if there was indeed a title and Lucas has known and approved, etc the PHANTOM MENACE and released it on the internet- why would the toy boxes still a ways from their release have just EPISODE 1 and not the title...???? Consider it And anyone who says think of BLUE HARVEST or REVENGE OF TEH JEDI- BLUE was to hide the production to keep photographers away- to keep the film itself secrecy... not to divert the REAL title- REVENGE was the title- but then reconsidered... not CHANGED to keep us all in suspense...
Sept. 27, 1998, 1:27 p.m. CST
All right, everyone calm down...
by season
I would like to quote a Mr. G. Lucas talking about his reaction to the success of the first Star Wars film. He said, "It just has to do with people happening to liking dumb movies." The quote was taken from Dale Pollack's biography of the flannel-shirted one "Skywalking." Now then, Star Wars is a fun movie. It has good guys and bad guys and ray guns and princesses and robots and light sabers and all sorts of cool stuff like that. It is, as critic Pauline Kael described, a "box of Cracker Jacks filled with nothing but prizes." Mr. Lucas has said in countless articles and interviews that he wanted to make a big-budget version of Flash Gordon, but couldn't obtain the rights to the character, so he went off and made his own space opera. Looking at Episode one on those merits alone, "The Phantom Menace" is the PERFECT title. It's corny, ominous, and silly. It sounds just like the title of a Flash Gordon serial. Don't believe me? Here are a few actual titles of Flash Gordon serials from the 1930s: "The Planet of Peril," "The Tunnel of Terror," "Flaming Death," "Stark Treachery." I could go on for days. So, what's my point? I'm GLAD George decided to give Star Wars a title like "The Phantom Menace." I would have been worried if he had given it a name like "Knights of the Force" or "Guardians of the Force" or something GRAND and EPIC like that. Why? Because there is a tendency by most people ages 18-35 (myself included) that take Star Wars WAY TOO SERIOUSLY. It's not a religion, people. It's a movie, and a damn fun one at that. And it's nice to see that George knows that too. By naming Episode 1 "The Phantom Menace," he's showing us that HE doesn't take it too seriously. He doesn't have delusions of granduer (unlike most people on this forum) and he's having a ball playing around in his universe again. He's a kid in the biggest candy store of all. And he's treating it as such. Sure, I was taken aback by the title when I first read it, but I think it's a wake up call for the fans. STOP TREATING IT LIKE IT'S THE END OF THE WORLD!! Go see the movie, and try to see it through the eyes of that 5 year old inside of you. That's who Star Wars is for. The kid who thinks rays guns, light sabers, and princesses are the coolest things going. The kid who wants to swing across the reactor shaft and fly through hyperspace and have a best friend who's a walking carpet. It's been a long time since that 5 year old had anything worth celebrating, but I have a feeling he's going to LOVE The Phantom Menace. Because it doens't pretend to be anything it's not. It's going to be a big, colorful, loud, exciting, fun, dumb movie. And those are the kind of movies I love.
Sept. 27, 1998, 1:27 p.m. CST
by HIP
Thorn - according to whois.net, both thephantommenace.com and phantommenace.com are registered to Lucasfilm Ltd.
Sept. 27, 1998, 2:17 p.m. CST
you have GOT to be kidding
by Johnny Rotten
Oh my God, how the hell did they come up with such a crappy title? I mean it REALLY blows! The Phantom Menace?! Christ! "Ben & Anakin's Bogus Journey" would have been better.
Sept. 27, 1998, 2:33 p.m. CST
George Lucas and Howard the Duck
by Edienot Eddie Im a chick
Will everyone leave Howard the Duck alone? I happened to like that movie quite a bit! Sure, scoff all you like, but it was a sweet little film that is a riot to watch for many reasons,one of them being Tim Robbins acting like a complete buffoon, and Caroline in the city dressed to the nines in 80's gear, lip syncing badly to pop music. And then there is Howard himself. The only anamatronic creature I love more is ALF. Howard was so duck-like, but so human as well. Does anyone else out there like this movie??? "OH DUCKY!!!"
Sept. 27, 1998, 2:55 p.m. CST
It's still Star Wars!!
by Essemtee
It's still Star Wars, isn't it?? I didn't exactly like the sound of Naboo, or Schmi, or Qui-Gon Jinn, or even Padme Naberrie Amidala(?) But it is still Star Wars, people!!
Sept. 27, 1998, 2:56 p.m. CST
da fantum menus
by RandomRanger
This movie has a lot to contend with. It wasn't written 25 years ago, just the *basic* idea was - in "the Journal of the Whills" (sp?). The story to this movie was written only a few years ago. This movie can't have the same "WOW!" factor as ANH because the original Star Wars was the first of it's kind - big characters, attention to details, and grand story. Today, kids have seen the special effects and such, they've seen ANH in the theaters, and this movie *will* have to live up to the originals. BTW, have any of you actually WATCHED Flash Gordon serials? They aren't done very well, and the writing is weak, at best. There aren't characters, just caricatures. The back stories are boring and slim (when existant). Not only that, the stories represent an era of humanity's naivet
By the way thephantommance.com and www.starwars.com have the same IP address! Search your feelings...you know its true....
Sept. 27, 1998, 3:23 p.m. CST
by Frank Rizzo
You know, it really irks me when "fans" will pass judgement on the title when they haven't even seen the title in context--ie, rolling across the screen, or in a preview with "movieman" doing his voiceover....but what really makes me laugh is how guys like MARK NEWBOLD just looooove the bland & generic "Balance of the Force" or "Knights of the Republic"--good God, how could you possibly play it any safer? I bet MARK has to get mommy's permission before crossing the street with his bike helmet on to go to the ice cream store and buy a scoop or two of lowfat sugarfree plain old vanilla. The real problem with critics is that they can spot the bad things, but they never know what would BE GOOD. For example, I could look at an ugly suit and tell you what features stink. But honestly, I could never sit down and think of what features would go into a GOOD suit. You see? Kevin and Mark's ideal Ep.1 would play it very, very safe, and would basically stick with the SW established formulas: the rescue, the one lightsaber duel, the "surprise relationship", you know what I mean. I hope George grabs hold of the plot's figurative "steering wheel" and sends us off careening on a wild, UNEXPECTED ride for the next 2 hours. As for the charge that George has done nothing good since ESB, uh....the entire "Indy" series, hello??? By the way, each of which has a pretty silly title....to the uninitiated!!! Anyway, I am theorizing that the arrogant losers that think they know SW's style better than Lucas will easily be spotted in ticket lines come May 21....by their geek clothes and mannerisms. Basically, the same ultraconservative taste that causes them to hate the title is the same taste that causes them to look like dorks and be social outcasts. Anyone else agree? Go get 'em, Roo-Kid....
Sept. 27, 1998, 3:42 p.m. CST
The rrreal stupid STAR WARS title
by Mulder Clone
Look, Harry, I perfectly understand Lucas' fascination with the movie serials of the 50's, as we have seen in most of the work the man has done, especially RAIDERS. But just because he is trying to capture that particular feel, does that mean he's got to be cheesy with it? I mean, RAIDERS OF THE LOST ARK is a damn good title. One thing that I'm pretty sure you already uinderstand is that A NEW HOPE was an AFTERTHOUGHT; STAR WARS was the OFFICIAL title for that film, and Lucas had no idea if it would even be a success (hence the job given to Alan Dean Foster to make novelizations of STAR'S END and SPLINTER OF THE MIND'S EYE as possible STAR WARS sequels). When he discovered that it "was", he immediately went back to the drawing board and created a story that was even bigger than the first one. Regardless of whether or not he had the whole set of summaries for the 9 chapters before or after STAR WARS, it is apparent that just reading the first draft that Lucas had no real thought on any other ideas other than STAR WARS itself (you know, the one where Alderaan is the capital of the Empire, and the Death Star has no planet killer beam and is attacked half-way through the script by a fifty-year-old Luke Skywalker). When it was decided to film EMPIRE STRIKES BACK, STAR WARS was THEN Re-released with the "subtitle" of A NEW HOPE. Thus all of the other titles could be explained away as "subtitles" and the original STAR WARS moniker could still be used. Remember, these are SUBTITLES, not main ones. FLASH GORDON wasn't called "attack of the mole men"; that's just the particular episode's name. Same goes here. THE PHANTOM MENACE? Who are you trying to kid? All connections to 50's serials aside, when you have umpteen Millions of dollars being spent, you think the guy could hire someone creative enough to come up with a decent title that can stand on it's own, like RAIDERS, STAR WARS, EMPIRE or RETURN. All of these stand on there own. This one doesn't. All three of the Star Wars titles have something that makes you think of Star Wars, not Gene Autrey. Sorry, but it again sounds as if, like Cameron, he's more concerned with the super-fine details of the objects on the set as opposed to the basic things like character, story and MOVIE TITLES. This title is about as cheesy as WILLOW, for Chrissakes! But hey, this is from the same creative minds that have devolved into filming $100+ million movies via sattelite. All I have to say is that there is a LOT riding on this film, considering the expectations the guy has built and pulled along for who knows how long. It's not a good sign when after 15 years this is the best the guy can come up with. I'll just end this off with a familiar comment: (heavy breathing sounds added)"We shall see, young Skywalker.."
Sept. 27, 1998, 4:19 p.m. CST
more crap from RR
by RandomRanger
This could VERY easily be a hoax. All one has to do is hack the main computer/server of lucas', then sign up a new domain with internic, finally intercept the e-mail that sets it all up. The domain *did* show up in the system the same day as the announcement, after all., and if it was a hoax, the hacker would lock out everbody from the server to prevent changes. But I believe that "The Phantom Menace" is the actual title, as bad as it is. DC from above pointed out that "The Phantom Threat" is a better title than menace (my mother immediately said "Like Dennis the Menace?" when I mentioned it to her). I also feel that the "The" in the title hampers it just like the original "The Star Wars". It's kinda limiting to one thing or event, and I think "Star Wars: A Phantom Threat" sounds way better than "SW: The Phantom Menace". Also, I too enjoyed Howard the Duck and Willow, but I was *much* younger and easier to amuse then. :) Concerning this title, we'll all just wait and see, but our opinions do hold merit, because it's ours to enjoy. Art is worthless without an audience. -- the Random Ranger (ps- Naboo, Shmi, Queen Padme, and Wato - to name a few - are crappy names, even for the Star Wars universe. IMHO, of course ;-)
Sept. 27, 1998, 5:20 p.m. CST
Does this mean that Dennis wasn't the real menace?
by Brian Blair
Tauntaun? Greedo? Darth? Yoda? Lando? Dagobah? Didn't these sound a little awkward when you first heard them? But who balks at the names now? No one because Lucas has created a full blown world where these strange names have become interwoven into the tapestry. Anyone who has really seen what Lucas has done will understand that, much like Shakespeare, this man is inventing a (mythological) world like no one has ever seen, and part of that is creating NEW names, titles, places, characters, etc. No one will be complaining come may 1999. Brian Blair
Sept. 27, 1998, 6:51 p.m. CST
princess leia nude
by Ken
maan who cares whut the title is, that aint so bad, the movies gonna kick ass no matter what, maybe thats just a fake name to throw us off, go figure.
Sept. 27, 1998, 7:09 p.m. CST
by dan
I understand what Lucas is trying to do, but I wish he would have done it a different way. "Phantom" is an okay word, it has powerful, almost mystical connotations, although it reminds me too much of that crappy movie of the same name from a few years back. However, the word "menace" gets to me.. It's a crappy word, it sounds childish and is not powerful at all -- "Dennis The Menace" comes to mind. -Dan
Sept. 27, 1998, 8:21 p.m. CST
by Josh Massey
Before we proclaim George Lucas perfect, let's remember "Howard the Duck," "Willow" and "Radioland Murders." Hell, let's remember "Return of the Jedi." Lucas is talented, but far from perfect. And, trust me, "The Phantom Menace" will live up to few people's expectations.
Sept. 27, 1998, 8:27 p.m. CST
Star Wars Title
by Ensign9
I have to agree with Roo Kid, Lucas knows what he's doing. We, as SW fans, just have to wait and have faith in his "genius." Although, I am a bit anxious....
Sept. 27, 1998, 9:08 p.m. CST
by Stevie B
How can this movie be called "Star Wars" anything??? Star Wars was the middle TRILOGY. This sould be another trilogy. "The Clone Wars"-Something. TRILOGY - "GET IT" - THREE
Sept. 27, 1998, 9:09 p.m. CST
by DezurtDog
For God's sake people. This is George Lucas we're talking about. Let's calm down a bit about the title. For all you know this could fit the movie more than any of those "Real Fan" suggestions out there. The Mighty Lucas will show you all!!!
Sept. 27, 1998, 9:43 p.m. CST
by PoopyPants
I'm sorry, but it works for me...
Sept. 27, 1998, 9:44 p.m. CST
by ALLARND
Here could be one of teh only films in history to be known that it woudl be made one day for 15 years and then in production for over a year WITHOUT A TITLE... so in everyone's mind they started to believe the title's suggested- closing of their minds that the title could in fact be something completely different... think about in 1978 when A HEW HOPE was added as the subtitle- people went? HUH- what's that mean? Why did they ruin a cool title? Honestly it happened... Let's say you heard and saw pictures for this filma bout an asteroid coming toward's earth and the net had rumours for months and years that it would be called GENESIS ENDING, THE FINAL HOUR, DARK EARTH, HELLFIRE, or whatever and you all loved some of those titles... and then it was announced. "ARMAGEDDON" is the offical title... it would sit just as awkward as this title- let it grow... say it again and again... when I first heard the title THE GREEN MILE I didn't even want to read KING's book- but I did- and I realized- THERE IS NO BETTER TITLE...same with things like APT PUPIL, KISS THE GIRLS, DEATH TAKES A HOLIDAY, MIGHTY JOE YOUNG... I hate most titles when I hear them without knowing what the context of the film is... search your feelings, let the force flow through you- Lucas isn't out to ruin something he's had on his plate for years... and to all who are whining about the title... I think your AGE should be a requirement in your postings... but it's obvious to pick out the ignorant teens that can't think an original though or take change... CHANGE is good but it has to grow on you...
Sept. 27, 1998, 10:21 p.m. CST
out of focus footage
by Brad
I work very close. I know what I'm talking about. Remember that out of focus rumor and the extensive retakes? Well I'm just going to say that George Lucas is a man who believe in going with what he has and he's a genius at improvisation. It takes a special talent to turn a potential disaster into an integral part of the story. You'll see. Yes the original title was BALANCE OF THE FORCE.
Sept. 27, 1998, 11:36 p.m. CST
Phantom Menace = Senator Palpatine
by rumble
Anyone agree? Disagree?
Sept. 27, 1998, 11:40 p.m. CST
out of focus stuff
by robert
Hello All! Sorry to disagree with you Clerk, but I have heard that out of focus story and the connection with the title and I think it is true. I say this because it is becoming common knowledge within the industry as an example of Mr. Lucas's versatility and courage.
Sept. 28, 1998, 12:06 a.m. CST
star war film footage rumor
by MIKE E SUPERSTAR
Yeah! Now you people are catching on! It's all in the plan and has been for some time! The out of focus shit was INTENTIONAL. Lucas isn't no amatuer! This has his stamp all over it! Yeah!
Sept. 28, 1998, 12:49 a.m. CST
The Phantom Menace? No, no. The Red Herring
by BJ
My point. Both titles suck. They mean the same thing, but they just don't convey that "Empire Strikes Back" coolness. I think that if Lucas is going to pick a dull title like "The Phantom Menace", he would be better off just calling it "Episode 1: The Beginning", "Birth of the Empire" or something to that effect.
Sept. 28, 1998, 4:48 a.m. CST
by Beetle
For those of you trying to desparately come to grips with this title through trying to find out if such and such domain is registered, head on over to www.the-phantom-menace.com. I hope I have contributed in some way to your burgeoning neuroses. And just for the record, you're pretty much all crazy and I hope I never meet any of you.
Sept. 28, 1998, 5:19 a.m. CST
by HIP
Thorn - according to whois.net, both thephantommenace.com and phantommenace.com are registered to Lucasfilm Ltd.
Sept. 28, 1998, 8:28 a.m. CST
Don't Like It
by neverintendtouse
Sounds silly. I liked "Knights of the Republic" and "Balance of the Force" better than this. Remember, Lucas changed the name of ROTJ shortly before release. Hopefully he'll do the same this go around.
Sept. 28, 1998, 9:38 a.m. CST
by Brandon Grady
Sorry if this has already been sent, but I just checked, and if you go to www.phantommennace.com, you are taken directly to the Star Wars website (www.starwars.com).
Sept. 29, 1998, 12:18 a.m. CST
EWAN McGREGOR
by K
Well folks, first off, I am a HUGE Star Wars fan- have the letterbox sets etc., etc.... Anyway, I was working for an entertainment show and got a chance to interview Ewan McGregor for the movie "A Life Less Ordinary." I liked that movie, it didn't do well, but that's not the point. The point is that Ewan, like the rest of us, is a MASSIVE Star Wars fan. I've not seen the footage, but I thought you might all like to know that the actor holds the previous Star Wars films in as high a regard as we, the plebs who pay $8.50 do. So when you do go see the new installments, you can rest assured that Obi Wan's heart truly is in the right place. And, damn, is he sexy!!! Just thought you might like to know....
Sept. 29, 1998, 5:16 a.m. CST
I like this!
by jamie
I think the title is almost perfect. I always suspected a title like "Threat to the Republic", which actually refers to the plot, unlike that crap like Guardians of the Force and Balance of the Force, and Knights of the Republic. bollocks all of them! but this title? I like it. The folk who don't have a clue about the plot will despise it. Everyone I have told it to who knows nothign about episode one has reacted in shock, saying "what the f**k is that? Thats not a title!" But I like it. And so will everyone after a while!
Sept. 29, 1998, 7:34 a.m. CST
"The Phantom Menace"..... Eh? George.....
by Golgo 13
I, like the rest of the world, am counting the days and crossing them off a calender until the release of the new Star Wars movie..... BUT "THE PHANTOM MENACE"!!!!!! I`m sorry but that is the crappiest title I have ever heard in my life... He might as well have called it, "Title from the crap lagoon" Although lets be honest the full title could be: "STAR WARS:DON`T SEE THIS FILM IT`S COMPLETE CRAPOLA by GEORGE LUCAS" And it will still blow Titanic`s gross to pieces. Oh well, we can only hope that the film is better than the title.... Why George............. Why..........
Sept. 29, 1998, 7:50 a.m. CST
Why this news means absolutely nothing
by Brian Travolta
Don't believe it until you see it on a toy or poster. Even then don't believe it. Harry, you need to step off on this one. This title sucks. As far as going along with the script, well, I can see it, but I wouldn't be surprised if Lucas pulled out a thesaurus and did some modification.
Sept. 29, 1998, 1:19 p.m. CST
get over it!!
by bean
I can't believe this! That's all I'm gonna say.
Sept. 29, 1998, 2 p.m. CST
by Reihan
The Phantom Menace, in my estimation, is a wonderful title; as was stated earlier, it seems to reflect what we know of the plot. More importantly, I'd like to say that I am confident that the new triology will be vastly superior to Episodes IV, V, and VI. I realize that this may well be an outlandish opinion. Rest assured, I too believe that the original triology was an amazing accomplishment, and I remain very fond of those films. The new triology, however, will have a vastly superior cast; in the intervening years, special effects technology has advanced by leaps and bounds; and finally, a darker, richer storyline. Liam Neeson? Natalie Portman? Samuel L. Jackson? All are extremely accomplished, in marked contrast to the principals in the original triology. This is not to discount the talent of the original cast; rather, it is to emphasize the kind of quality we can expect. Moreover, has anyone else gone to the official site to see the design elements that will be incorporated into the new film? They are amazing. As for George Lucas and the fact that he hasn't directed for some time, consider Stanley Kubrick or the director of The Thin Red Line. Both are known for their attention to quality, and for making remarkable films; both are also known for making few films and taking a considerable amount of time. Have faith, Star Wars fans.
Sept. 29, 1998, 9:07 p.m. CST
Your all a bunch of slaves... George is a genious?
by Poppy
You might think I was commenting negatively on George Lucas's title for the next Star Wars film, but my observation is how he is generating free publicity for his movie by coming out with a title that is controversial to Star Wars fans. George Lucas is now displaying more of his adept genious with exploiting technology. He has now used the internet as a means of free promotion and advertising. The controversy this title is creating will fuel thousands of discussion groups and increase anticipation for the release of the next Star Wars film. Look at the number of comments posted here alone. This is pure genious! I believe George Lucas knows this title is actually not that good. When I first heard it, I was disappointed. This is the poor title for a movie that is pulling together some of Hollywood's most creative talents. After seeing the all the posts in different newsgroups, I came to the conclusion I discussed above. I am somewhat leary about this movie. I'm tired of SPECIAL EFFECTS driven movies which is the prevalent in Hollywood movies today. If George Lucas releases a film which is all effects with kiddy characters like ROTJ, this film will not be a blockbuster in proportion to the first trilogy. If it is, it will only do business like Godzilla did. Over the years, my perception of good sci-fi, science fiction has been changed radically. During my childhood, I was a Star Wars fanatic, and my notion of good science fiction was flashy spaceships zooming back and forth on the silver screen. Now, Babylon 5 has become my favorite science fiction series as an adult. I'm more interested in solid stories, and complete characters. With that criteria, in my opinion, Babylon 5 has been the most innovative series this decade. The novelty of special effects has worn thin. When Star Wars came out, it was fresh, but now movies (and TV) with special effects are commonplace. I hope Lucas realizes this, and creates a more character/story driven trilogy. But I hope 1999 will be the greatest year in Sci-Fi. With Crusade (the Babylon 5 spin-off for those who do not know what I'm talking about) coming in January, and Episode 1 in May. The best science fiction TV and movie series may be heading into our universe next year.
Sept. 30, 1998, 9:19 a.m. CST
by Roddy P
Guys both "www.phantommenace.com" and "www.thephantommenace.com" have been registered and both currently redirect you to www.starwars.com. This is no proof that the title is real (what's $400 odd dollars to register the domains?), but suggests the Lucas is not shitting us. The cynic in me however, thinks this is all part of Lucas' disinformation campaign, "Phantom Menace" doesn't seem congruent with the "$franchise$" Lucas has created. Nobody's doubting that these movies will be great, ( and will have a different darker tone), but the title does sound a little corny. Yes he's into the 50's Pulp Fiction and Flash Gordon Sc-Fi thing, but...think of the studio heads. You think they'll go for this? I'm sure Lucas pulls weight, but I wouldn't be surprised if they "encouraged" him to seek another title ( if it is the true title). My money is that this title is a hoax, and if it's not ... so what. Those in a uproar should amuse themselves with the site where that major geek tells you how to build a real Bobba Fett suit. Now that's disturbing...
Oct. 1, 1998, 10:02 a.m. CST
Relax... www.phantom-menace.com is registered
by Fred
All this yellin' about www.phantommenace.com not being a registered domain... www.phantom-menace.com is indeed registered and leads to the usual old www.starwars.com. It's NOT gonna be a "Revenge of the Jedi" thingy, I'm sure Lucas thought not twice but umpteen times about this before finally deciding. This is indeed going to be the final title. My 2 cents
Oct. 5, 1998, 4:02 p.m. CST
by T Brenndorfer
The more I think about it, the more I like it. It has a nice "retro" feel to it, reflects upon something critical in the plot, gets right to the action. HEY! We're not branding some product, like running shoes! This is a story. And its better than some crop titles like "Genesis" or "The Beginning", which are wimp- out titles.
Oct. 5, 1998, 11:31 p.m. CST
Star Wars .. was a silly sounding name.. in 77.
by Watership
Oct. 5, 1998, 11:31 p.m. CST
Star Wars .. was a silly sounding name.. in 77.
by Watership
Oct. 12, 1998, 8:44 p.m. CST
The Phantom Menace: uh.....
by Jeff Stewart
Years from now when all the SW junkies are discussing the first chapter, you're going to see this new title abbreviated, just like SW:NH, SW:ESB, and SW:ROJ. It just seems to me that "Star Wars:PM" sounds too much like a nighttime, coughing, sneezing, stuffy head, fever, so you can rest medicine.
Aug. 7, 2001, 6:41 a.m. CST
Attack of the Phantom Clones Menace
by Jabba Papa
Wow ! Amazing how MUCH you guys have matured in the last three years... </sarcasm>
Aug. 7, 2001, 10:16 p.m. CST
When compared to Attack Of The Clones The Phantom Menace doesn't
by Regicidal_Maniac
Wow. Lucas ceases to amaze me. L.G.A.
May 20, 2005, 5:07 p.m. CST
I bring news from the ditant future of 2005...
by F69
Episode III will be called Revenge of the Sith. Also, everyone in America is scared to death.
June 29, 2006, 7:48 a.m. CST
9 years until Griff Tannen's Hill Valley
by chopstyx1
Man, this is almost like speaking to the past.
June 13, 2007, 4:47 a.m. CST
by supercowbell 4 cant stop the cowbell
Aug. 19, 2010, 8:56 a.m. CST
Orcus comes from your moms house
by orcus
Orcus fucked the shit out of her. Literally. Barbed penis' do alot of damage
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