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Jim Sinclair Warns Investors To "Instruct Their Broker Dealers To Not Register Stock Certificates in Street Name"
April 17, 2012 | By Tekoa Da Silva
In what may be recognized as a prophetic call within a few years time, legendary gold investor Jim Sinclair (also known as Mr. Gold), issued a dispatch this month entitled "Street Name Review" to readers of his highly followed jsmineset.com, urging investors to hold stock certificates in an ownership form other than "street name registration".
Says Mr. Gold, "Investors should avoid margin accounts and instruct their broker dealer to not register stock certificates in street name…99.9% of brokerage account investors have no idea what is being done to them when their stock certificates are registered in 'Street Name'. It allows their broker to lend their shares to short sellers, driving down the price of your investment.
Additionally, this method allows the broker to 're-hypothecate' your assets and borrow money against your shares so they can speculate in the derivatives market…
These hidden risks are the seeds of tomorrow's ultimate collapse of broker dealers which could dissipate the assets of customer accounts as experienced in the MF Global fiasco." -Jim Sinclair, April 5, 2012
By our estimation here at BullMarketThinking.com, Mr. Sinclair is 100% correct, and those who take defensive action now will avoid the next "MF-Global" style collapse of a broker dealer. We are in the eye of an economic storm, and as the economy begins to nosedive once again, Western financial firms will continue their industry-wide wave of bankruptcies.
Those holding stock investments in a traditional brokerage account may be wondering: What are the alternative methods of holding stock certificates, and how do I get started in following Mr. Sinclair's wise advice?
Here is a reprint of our January 13th article published here on Bull Market Thinking, which covers the basics of "direct registration" and "paper share certification" forms of share ownership. They are both easily accessible, and remove all the risks inherent in "street name registration." Additionally, my report, "BulletProof Shares" – How To Protect Your Stock Investments From Broker Bankruptcy & Theft, is a step-by-step how-to guide on executing both "direct registration" and "paper share certification" of shares. Learning about these methods and taking action now may help prevent your stock portfolio from being ransacked by the next Jon Corzine.
How To Protect Your Stock Investments In The Event Your Broker Dealer Goes Bankrupt
By Tekoa Da Silva
Deeply bothered by the MF Global(MFG) collapse, I spent the entire month of December researching a report which I've now released, entitled, "BulletProof Shares" – How To Protect Your Stock Investments From Broker Bankruptcy & Theft.
The reason I began researching and ultimately put this paper together was simple: fear. As a stock investor, I became afraid to continue holding my stock investments in the financial system. My investigations into this matter were both shocking and relieving as I've previously reported, for the reason that all the financial "safe guards" to protect investors from losses are flimsy at best. I'm indirectly referring to the SIPC when I say that by the way. I discovered that in the economic "good times", the SIPC carries around a billion dollars in capital, which is raised from annual member company dues. But in bad economic times such as we're in now, member companies go bankrupt and many fall behind in their annual contributions–while at the same time broker bankruptcies increase, putting a tightening financial noose on the entire organization.
Easily Severing Broker Dealer Counter Party Risk and Removing Your Shares From The Financial System
The relieving aspect of my research was the discovery of how easy and simple it actually is to protect and remove stock investments from broker dealer's custodial possession and the financial system itself. By default, stocks are always purchased under the "street name registration"when you purchase them with a broker dealer. This means the stocks are held in custody under the name of the broker dealer you're using. The two alternative methods which serve to "de-risk" your shares from counter party risks in the system, are "direct registration" and "paper share certification".
Direct registration and paper share certification are covered in depth in"BulletProof Shares". It took hundreds of hours of research pouring through the internet, and speaking with dozens of transfer agents, brokers, and public companies. While I highly recommend stock investors purchase a copy of "BulletProof Shares", I'd also like to point out that anybody can use these methods at no cost, provided they do the research on their own. All my data was acquired from public sources and companies which happily hand it out(some less happily than others I might add) for free. So the question for most people is simply a matter of value vs time. Spend a couple bucks and save a few hundred hours, or spend a few hundred hours and save a couple bucks. The choice is yours.
Why We Must Be Aware of Alternative Forms of Share Ownership
While MFG may be the last high-profile investment custodian bankruptcy the United States will see during this financial crisis, there's a high likelihood in my opinion that it won't be. In my conversations with the SIPC I discovered they're replenishing 800 MFG client stock accounts, but they would not tell me how much of the fund has been used in doing so. In my last written piece, I spoke to the fact that over 30,000 customer accounts were comprised in the MFG collapse. I've also previously written that all it takes for $1 billion in SIPC funds to be tapped out, is a total of 2,000 compromised stock accounts each containing $500k in securities or more.
Let me repeat this for new readers–the SIPC only covers the first $500k in bankruptcy losses of a customer's account. After that $500k threshold, all the losses are suffered by the investor with zero insurance coverage. The only other means of loss recovery would be the investor engaging in a lawsuit against the fallen broker. But as we've seen with many previous high profile bankruptcies, when these companies go out–they go out with a bang–meaning billions upon billions upon billions in losses. Any single account holder looking for recovery of a $1.2 million investment portfolio will be standing in a creditors line for a decade before being told "there's simply no more money left to pay you."
Therefore, in my humble opinion and as a student of the investment markets, I feel we must understand each and every tool in our investment toolbox in order to build a proper wooden shed. Or for our readers who are inclined to the cooking—we must be familiar with each utensil in order to prepare a savory banquet. What would the meal be like if we were forced to use a fork to pour gravy over the chicken? Likewise, how are we suppose to saw a wooden 2×4 in half using a pocket knife? We must learn of all tools available to us (whether on our own of through "BulletProof Shares"), and carefully prepare for times in which an alternative tool or utensil is required for the occasion.
Common Misnomers & Broker-Fed Resistance Lines
As previously stated, direct registration and paper share certification are investment tools we must be aware of. Thousands of "BulletProof Shares" readers have already sent in streams of feedback and questions to which we've used to further improve the paper. Some common questions & circumstances we've seen are:
-"I use xyz broker-dealer and I know they are SAFE because they specifically say in all their company materials that they don't use "re-hypothecation" or enable discrete lending out of shares (short selling) in customer accounts."
Market commentator Peter Grandich is known for saying, "I'd rather be a scared chicken than a dead duck." His comment sums up my feelings completely. I began researching these methods without a plan of writing a report—my research began when I decided I no longer trust any broker dealers. To add clarity to the point—your broker dealer may in fact be a fantastic, trustworthy organization. What I discovered which bothered me specifically, is that many "safe" brokers are using "unsafe" banking organizations. Some of them are using 3-5 diff. "unsafe" banking organizations. When I say "unsafe" by the way, I'm simply using my own opinion of what safe is. Everyone has a different opinion. So in order for a broker to be fully "safe", they need to also be only dealing with safe counter parties in this writer's opinion.
At this juncture you might ask this writer's opinion on what a safe bank is—which is a conversation that cannot be fully addressed in this article. One thing I will say however, is that any bank which received a penny from the bank bailout is not a safe bank in my opinion. As an additional point, I recently listened to a presentation by famed hedge fund manager Kyle Bass, in which I learned many Swiss bankers are held personally liable for fraud occurring in their bank. Also, China is executing individuals who are discovered of investor fraud. Executions and personal liability in response to these high profile frauds are items which would coax my trust back out of the bottle.
"I have my shares held in a retirement account and I don't want to pay capital gains when I sell my shares in order to use direct registration or paper share certification."
This is a common misunderstanding. Direct registration and paper share certification are not "sales or dispositions" of shares. They are simply a "transfer" from one party to another, or from one physical manifestation to another. You can digitally send a stock position from your broker to the transfer agent, have it printed as a share certificate, then send it back to the broker, before going through the process all over again—all without selling your stock. You're simply moving the shares around. Speak to some of the transfer agents listed in "BulletProof Shares" to learn more about this.
"My broker says I'll need an attorney to use these methods, or that it will cost too much money, or that it will take too long, or that it's a bad idea, etc, etc, etc…"
Let me make this perfectly clear: You're broker's job is keep all client accounts in their possession for as many commission generating buy & sell cycles as possible, and most will say or do anything in their power to keep it that way.
Much like holding physical precious metals or real estate, when you're holding paper share certificates or using DRS method, chances are your "trading activity" will completely dry up. You will trade maybe only once or twice a year, and you may even end up owning the shares long enough to pass them down to a family member. How will your broker make money if you're not trading in his accounts?
Therefore, many broker dealers will tell you anything they need to tell you to prevent you from considering these cost-free methods which will protect your shares(did I mention I recommend two brokers in the report which offer free transfers to transfer agents?). As a final point to this question, I spoke with dozens of brokers myself during a search for a broker to recommend in "BulletProof Shares". I called one broker after another asking if they charged fees to use DRS stock transfers to the transfer agents.
Most of the time I was dealing with customer service agents who knew nothing of transfer agents, and I was often transferred from one representative to another before obtaining the correct information. Since there has yet to be a highly-publicized broker dealer collapse affecting tens of thousands of stock investors, the entire broker-dealer customer service industry is mostly unaware of how to precisely use these methods. That discovery was probably the most alarming of all. Many people I spoke with in the investment industry had no idea how counter party risk works, what a transfer agent does, or why a stock investor would use direct registration or paper share certification.
In wrapping up, my journey in researching, writing, and releasing "BulletProof Shares" – How To Protect Your Stock Investments From Broker Bankruptcy & Theft has been fascinating to say the least. The only thing left to do after learning about direct registration and paper share certification, is to use the methods and protect your shares, sit back, and get ready to watch a real storm.
I remind everyone that I wrote this paper myself, stand by it 100%, and take great pride in my work. If for any reason you purchase a copy and don't feel it was worth the money—simply send me an email, and I'll return every penny, no questions asked. I'll even make that offer a lifetime guarantee.
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The Mavericks obviously have an eye towards the future, as their moves this offseason would dictate. You have to ask yourself the question, will it all be worth it?
Looking at the Mavericks salary situation, following this year, assuming they amnesty Brendan Haywood and buy out Lamar Odom, they will have somewhere around 37 or 38 million dollars of cap space. If Deron Williams and Dwight both become free agents, the Mavericks should have enough cap space to sign both players. Is the fact that we have Dirk here in Dallas, enough to draw these two free agents in? Then there is the question of, will Dwight and Deron even reach free agency? It would appear that if the Nets or lLakers aquire Dwight in a trade, they will be able to offer Dwight a 5th year that the mavericks could not give him in free agency. This could be serious incentive for Dwight to resign with the team he was traded to. Will the Nets be good enough to convince these two players to stay in New Jersey, or will they look else where? Are the Lakers with Kobe Bryant more appealing to Dwight then a potential Dirk - Deron - Howard trio in Dallas? What do you guys think?

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Fidel Castro Has Discovered The Fountain Of Youth? Images from Soderbergh's CHE epics emerge!!!
Hey folks, Harry here... Can't wait to see this two film epic from Soderbergh. I know the OCEAN films pay the bills, but this is the sort of material that really turns us film fans onto Steven in the first place. Demian Bichir looks fantastic as Fidel - and this is a production I think we'll all look forward to hearing more on as the year progresses, right? And remember, Castro wants you to vote Huckabee!
Hi Harry! Just wanted to pass along these new photos from the set of Steven Soderbergh's two-movie Che Guevara epic, "The Argentine" and "Guerrilla." These new pics were first leaked to BenicioDelToro.Ca. They show Demian Bichir in the role of Fidel Castro. Personally I preferred the original choice, Javier Bardem, who was originally cast but moved on when Soderbergh postponed "Guerrilla" to do "Ocean's 13." Still, the sets and costumes look amazingly authentic! If you use this just call me The Crawling King Snake.
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Jan. 4, 2008, 3:33 a.m. CST
by Muldoon
looks badass
Jan. 4, 2008, 3:36 a.m. CST
by AllPowerfulWizardOfOz
Very impressive looking. Never heard about this film till now but I am very interested in seeing the final once it's finished.
Jan. 4, 2008, 3:43 a.m. CST
Heh heh, very subtle, Harry...
by seppukudkurosawa
Slipping in that Huckabee remark at the end of your intro in the certain knowledge that the ensuing talkback would explode because of it.

Chuck Norris wants us to vote Huckabee as well... Hot damn, it looks like Mike's got all bases covered then!
Jan. 4, 2008, 3:56 a.m. CST
by Psyclops
The resemblance is pretty striking. I wonder how this will turn out.
Jan. 4, 2008, 4:36 a.m. CST
where's that hat. it is so in nowadays.
by couP
Jan. 4, 2008, 4:40 a.m. CST
Soderbergh's So Overrated!!
by Redfive!
I know im gonna hate the Oscars come a years time.This hack always gets a nod and people just dont shut up about him.He's a dimestore PTA and hasn't got shite on the Coens.
Jan. 4, 2008, 4:44 a.m. CST
Castro Supports Liberals Harry
by ViktorBC
He always has. It was never a conservative anchor that interviewed him after all. Always liberals. The liberal mentality is based on the same doctrine of socialism that Castro based his own government on. Don't forget: Che=homicidal murderer who killed his own people in cold blood! Not a Goddamn ati-hero! They were both badguys which all communists tend to be. Yeesh.
Jan. 4, 2008, 4:48 a.m. CST
by seppukudkurosawa
Do you have BC in your handle because your over-simplistic politics are from the Stone Age?
Jan. 4, 2008, 4:57 a.m. CST
Is this film aimed at US audiences?
by morGoth
Other than a few misguided wanna-be Kommies, I just don't see Che as a figure that people will pay good money to see in theatres. The Kommies lost the cold war because, as Frank Zappa once said, "The first word out of a child's mouth is MINE!" Really, who wants to see another film about some murdering ideological loser? I s'pose there are enough Komrades on the rest of the planet who may be interested but this movie is going to go straight to video in the US. Even then, I still won't watch it.
Jan. 4, 2008, 5:07 a.m. CST
Conservatives will place the anti American tag on this movie!
by ganymede3010
I'm sure Soderbergh is going to show the C.I.A's pivotal role in bringing down Che, and for that the Conservatives will be against it. Eventhough it's true.
Jan. 4, 2008, 5:48 a.m. CST
whats so impressive about...
by metaluna
...a guy in a tent with some face fuzz smoking a pipe? What's so impressive about that? I could do all that in my back garden! What am I missing here?
Jan. 4, 2008, 6:06 a.m. CST
Not so ganymede3010!
by ViktorBC
Conservatives have always aplauded the CIA's involvement in bringing down a known genocidal maniac (ie Che). Libs always make the CIA look like badguys.
Jan. 4, 2008, 6:07 a.m. CST
¡Viva la Revolución!
by CuervoJones
Jan. 4, 2008, 6:09 a.m. CST
seppukudkurosawa, how typical...
by ViktorBC
Instead of a logical debate, you settle for juvenial insults. Exactly how are you defending Che?
Jan. 4, 2008, 6:33 a.m. CST
It's Chris Klein!
by mr.brownstone
That's what he'll look like in 20 years after hitting the bottle too hard and moving to Costa Rica.
Jan. 4, 2008, 6:34 a.m. CST
That ain't Castro!
by TheBloop
Those are some shots of Rick Baker's makeup for "The Wolfman". You know what really ironic? The Hollywood elite's love for Che (and all things communist), while they never really realize that their $20 million per movie lifestyle would be impossible to have under a Marxist system. Unless of course they were whoring around with some top commie government officials, who skim all the money off the top, secretly living the life of a rich capitalist. And at the same time they preach about peace they ignore the fact of the millions killed in the name of Communism. When is the last time a Hollywood actor protested for reparations for Pol Pots killing fields or Stalin's round up and massacre of "dissidents"?
Jan. 4, 2008, 6:38 a.m. CST
EL CHE was a murderer who enjoyed killing, did it for fun
by Orionsangels
He could kill you if you looked at him wrong. He even killed children without a second thought. As kid he killed cats for fun. Read a book! This is the hero of the extreme left. They wear him on T-shirts, get tatts of him. Libs only admire him because he went against the establishment, against the man.
Jan. 4, 2008, 6:39 a.m. CST
Good point TheBloop
by ViktorBC
It is always funny how libs try to compare rebublicans to nazis when Hitler based his ideals on Marx's works. Just like Stalin, Che, Castro and modern Libs.
Jan. 4, 2008, 6:42 a.m. CST
AICN is getting a hard on right now
by Orionsangels
They made a movie about their favorite communist murderer.
Jan. 4, 2008, 6:59 a.m. CST
You cannot blame Harry
by ViktorBC
He lives in a Liberal Matrix. Every morning, like most Hollywood Libs, he reads the New York Times, watches liberal news shows (CNN and everyone but FOX) and then hangs out with liberal actors and directors everytime he's visits LA. They don't know anything else except the same propaganda.
Jan. 4, 2008, 7:01 a.m. CST
Politics, commies, Liberals, blah blah. Fuck off.
by Knuckleduster
I heard Terrence Malick was involved or had a similar project in development before Soderbergh started his. Anyone know anything about that?
Jan. 4, 2008, 7:05 a.m. CST
Politics, commies, Liberals, blah blah. Fuck off?
by classyfredblassy
A little hard given the subject matter of the film. Maybe you are looking for the "Juno" talkback.
Jan. 4, 2008, 7:09 a.m. CST
Info I found on Malick project
by ViktorBC
For his fourth feature, Malick considered directing a biopic about Che Guevara, and wrote a screenplay for it, but later relinquished the project to director Steven Soderbergh. He chose to make The New World instead, the script of which he finished in the late 1970s. The film features a romantic interpretation of the story of John Smith and Pocahontas, filmed in the usual transcendental Malickian style. The film was scheduled for limited release on December 25, 2005, and for general release in mid-January 2006; it was nominated for an Academy Award and received largely positive reviews during its theatrical run. Over one million feet of film was shot during the isolated filming schedule, resulting in a final film which ran for 150 minutes before Malick decided to temporarily withdraw the film from release and re-edit it into a 135-minute version.
Jan. 4, 2008, 7:10 a.m. CST
i like the tshirts that say
by ironic_name
cli-che.
and tony montana killed for fun too, but everyone loves that crazazy cububan.
Jan. 4, 2008, 7:33 a.m. CST
Every see those t-shirts with the famous
by Grammaton Cleric Binks
Che shot then underneath it says simply "Commmies aren't cool." Yes, I can respect fighting a corrupt system, but it's how you do it that makes it legitimate or not. Try reading Animal Farm. The last page sums it up. Actually check out thoseshirts.com for the shirt. My favorite, which I bought for my brothe is "celebrate diversity."
Jan. 4, 2008, 7:40 a.m. CST
Can't wait to see Che's death squads in action.
by Mace Tofu
I heard it was AWESOME!
Jan. 4, 2008, 7:54 a.m. CST
Kevin Klein can play the older Fidel
by theycallmemrglass
I even thought it was him at first glance at these pics
Jan. 4, 2008, 7:58 a.m. CST
No C.I.A. necessary
by HarrysNemesis
Conservatives (and people of any intelligence) won't like the movie because it will be the typical hollywood glorification of communist murderers offering no real criticism of them, but holds them up as cli-che'd heros. It doesn't matter how many innocent people were killed and put in prison, these guys are 'heros' to the left. I can see why they would be if you're a communist, otherwise not so much. The actor does make a good castro though. The movie is destined to bomb though as liberals don't like to see political commentary movies unless they're michael moore documentaries (see all the anti-iraq war movies that have bombed in the last few months as example). Average americans won't be interested. Conservatives will threaten a boycott :)
Jan. 4, 2008, 8:13 a.m. CST
franka potente is in this too
by AllieJamison
I remember reading a little article in which Franka Potente described her summer, how she was going to do some kind of Boot Camp training for this film and how much she was looking forward to work with Soderbergh. Those pics look great.
Jan. 4, 2008, 8:27 a.m. CST
Leave out the politics
by johnnykool
...fat fuck!
Jan. 4, 2008, 8:41 a.m. CST
Soderberg remaking Red Zone Cuba??
by Samuel Fulmer
I'm Cheroke Jack!
Jan. 4, 2008, 8:49 a.m. CST
What the hell?
by Omar B
A movie about Castro? And I heard about an upcoming movie about Che? What's with these Hollywood types and their love for communists enslaving murderers.
Jan. 4, 2008, 8:49 a.m. CST
What's next an Oliver Stone movie about Hugo Chavez?
by Orionsangels
Oh yeah that is happening. I know a lot of you from the extreme left hate bush country and republicans, but resorting to being friends (Sean Penn) with communist leaders, just to show how against the extreme right you are, is fucked up!
Jan. 4, 2008, 8:59 a.m. CST
Remember Motorcycle Diaries?
by ViktorBC
Next is "Postcards from the Rine". About a misunderstood German boy in pre-WWI Berlin who paints for money. Leo DeCaprio will play a young Adolf! Just kidding... I hope!!
Jan. 4, 2008, 9:08 a.m. CST
I'm actually pretty excited..
by T 1000 xp professional
..but that's just the hopeful and hungry for a good Cuban heritage movie directed by Soderbergh boy inside of me....All you talkbackers that have said this will be a GLORIFICATION of these bastards are probably going to be proven RIGHT...It's no fun for hollywood to make a movie that goes against these guys might probably sound too conservative and that might very well be :::gasp::: TRUE....I really enjoyed The Motorcycle Diaries and without any knowledge of the actual written work I semi-ignorantly/naively approached froma standpoint of "hey this probably happened before he was a bad guy" ...... This Che movie is gonna be a difficult sell. HarrysNemesis mentioned a boycott, I wouldn't doubt it.... My insight tells me so...so does the fact that I live in Miami :P ....I really do hope they do it the right way. please stevie please
Jan. 4, 2008, 9:11 a.m. CST
This Years Little Ms Communist
by hatespeech
Chopping Heads off for Freedom! Communism rocks.
Jan. 4, 2008, 9:20 a.m. CST
That beard is fake!
by Nice Marmot
He's one of the Others!!!
Jan. 4, 2008, 9:38 a.m. CST
Please Harry!
by ViktorBC
We love AICN! Please leave your politics out of your news!
Jan. 4, 2008, 9:43 a.m. CST
Commie lovin' hollywood stars
by HarrysNemesis
It's not about being 'against the extreme right' -- these guys really are communists (Danny Glover, Sean Penn, etc) -- they never outgrew that high school phase of 'gee wouldn't it be great if the world ran this way'. Of course the only thing they wouldn't like communism is it taking THEIR $$$ away, but communism rarely works that way in the real world. The elites do well in communism just as they do in capitalism -- look at the old Soviets or even Cuba today. The elites always do well. Who suffers? The poor people who are 'lucky' to be equally poor instead of there being some haves and some have nots. You can't eliminate poverty by outlawing prosperity and preventing class differences goes against human nature. Those who hold power and prestige in society will always be elevated in class because they have the power to make it so. Does Castro live like his average citizen? Don't think so.

 The other thing liberals love about communism is that communism has no tolerance of individual rights -- therefore as Castro did -- you can get RID of those who disagree with you -- the old fashioned way. Let's put it this way, if Sean Penn or Danny Glover had their way, about 40% of the population (AT LEAST) would be either in jail or dead for their political beliefs, and they would have no problem with the government trampling on our rights to make their political philosophy a reality. In the spirit of Castro, they'd love to see every elected republican strung up if they could because they're 'evil.' Interestingly, it is rarely evil to want someone else dead for having conservative political beliefs (to a hardcore liberal such as Sean Penn, Danny Glover, etc).

 I will give this to Penn -- he does have balls -- going to Iraq and such. Can't say the same for Glover, who only hangs out with tyrants who wish to harm our country when there's no actual physical risk to him. At least Penn walks the walk even if I disagree with him.
Jan. 4, 2008, 9:51 a.m. CST
Retarded conservatives show their brain bumps
by Sepulchrave
..by taking that fatuously ironic Huckabee joke at face value. My God, you people are stupid. Don't you pick up on ANYTHING?
Jan. 4, 2008, 9:55 a.m. CST
Piling on
by 5thBusiness
Okay, i hate bringing the politics into this movie shit, but it's sort of unavoidable here. I'm a total left winger who believes firmly in a social safety net, universal healthcare, etc. Having said that, communism sucked. And Castro, while he did positive things for many of his people half a century ago, is a monomaniacal despot who has done, and continues to do, awful things to most of his people today. And don't get me started on "Che chic". Btw, has anyone seen the "Onion" world atlas? There's an awesome photoshop of Che wearing a Che t-shirt. Hey Soderbergh, you know what a real hero looks like? Try Lech Walesa or Vaclav Havel, men who tried to shine the light of humanity into the black night of Soviet era communism.
Jan. 4, 2008, 9:55 a.m. CST
morGoth, this is Cuba, not Middle Earth
by pipergates
didn't know you had any interest outside of Tolkien's writings....heh. and you know some Francis Vincent Zappa-lore too? I'm impressed. as He would have said, "the torture never stops".
Jan. 4, 2008, 10 a.m. CST
Not to mention....
by Sepulchrave
turning a film about a historical figure who is (regardless of his personal flaws) still VERY popular in most of Central and South America and well worth a movie or two. Just because the right has no psychotic revolutionary heroes worth putting on a poster; hold on: they have no artists, comedians or rock stars either.
Jan. 4, 2008, 10:05 a.m. CST
but you're wrong, people wants to see this
by pipergates
in South America for sure, and Europe, even in the States i bet. It is after all a revolution, blood and all that sells you know? And as much as you may dislike commies, they did start out as the underdogs and beat a powerful & corrupt state protected by the gringos...if only to end up even worse, thats debatable.
Jan. 4, 2008, 10:09 a.m. CST
by banbury
Jan. 4, 2008, 10:11 a.m. CST
Sepulchrave once again proves liberals can only stoop...
by ViktorBC
juvenile insults. Harry is a liberal. Everyone knows that. He is going ga-ga over a movie that will glorify a not like Che. You're the one who doesn't get it. Just like most of Hollywood these days.
Jan. 4, 2008, 10:13 a.m. CST
Ugh, I't's like 'freerepublic' around here
by Sepulchrave
Social justice is here to stay, psycho cavemen libertarians. Get used to it.
Jan. 4, 2008, 10:15 a.m. CST
Che was a murderer
by Spastic Jedi
Why do people glorify him? The guy was a murderer of children for gods sake.
Jan. 4, 2008, 10:29 a.m. CST
Che the killer, or Che the doctor?
by kafka07
I won't pretend to know everything about Che, and I don't presume that he was a man of heroics or justice (or a murderer, as some talkbackers are declaring), but I do want to learn more about the tumultuous period during which he lived.
Jan. 4, 2008, 10:30 a.m. CST
by ViktorBC
Hardly. Try conservative traditionalist. Your social justice is what got millions of Russians killed during the reign if the USSR. I hope you're proud of that and being one step to the side of a nazi.
Jan. 4, 2008, 10:33 a.m. CST
kafka07 read a book.
by ViktorBC
There are several very objective books out there.
Jan. 4, 2008, 10:44 a.m. CST
at least Che pulled the trigger himself. Now Bush.....
by pipergates
sends kids to do his dirty work. and he's just the latest stooge of the big money mafias.
Jan. 4, 2008, 10:50 a.m. CST
He looks like Nigel Planer
by DrManhattansUnit
and there's no evidence Che killed children, unless you count the bald assertions of the same right-wing nuts who either murdered JFK, or wanted to.
Jan. 4, 2008, 10:52 a.m. CST
by Jarek
The cold war-fuelled beliefs held by the majority of this board are kind of frightening. Every story has two sides, do some research.... don't just swallow what you've been told by the US's perspective on the whole situation... it's not entirely wrong, but it's not as black and white as everyone seems to think it is.
Jan. 4, 2008, 10:53 a.m. CST
Yay Deathsquads!
by manzoniman
Che' sho' is good at some killin'! Castro, what a humanitarian. I can't wait to see them both kick ass in slow motion. Sure we can't get a decent comprehensive 9/11 or Iraq propaganda film, but we can turn out crap like this and "Redacted", no problem.
Jan. 4, 2008, 10:59 a.m. CST
The problem with communism...
by Batutta
...isn't that the idea is terrible. It's that we live in a world of limited resources, so distributing those resources equally ends up making everyone poor.
Jan. 4, 2008, 11:05 a.m. CST
MIKE: Yes, that's *really* Castro
by Osmosis Jones
TOM: Uh, hello, Mr. Dooby Brother. ~ CROW: That's *Castro*, y'know.
Jan. 4, 2008, 11:05 a.m. CST
The only thing funnier than people who think it's cool
by smackfu
to have Che Guevara on their T-shirts , are the people who invariably cry out 'learn who Che Guevara was, he was a murderer!' as though it's some kind of revelation. It's common knowledge. On a fundamental level, you are only saying this because in the ever-raging internet forum pissing contest, you feel this gives you a victory over your opponent, he thought he was smart for having a communist revolutionary on his shirt, you've proven you're smarter by correcting him and informing him that if he rose to your level of intellect, he'd see the error of his ways. Now I'm sure as you read this, you're mentally debating it, but here's the thing that proves it. How many times have you seen someone wearing a Charles Manson T-shirt? Did you stop to preach to them and educate them on the fact that Manson was a serial killer? Probably not. Because you assume that the guy wearing the Manson shirt knows exactly who he is, and you're not going to appear smart by 'informing' someone of something everyone knows. But with Che, you've assumed it's not common knowledge that he was a brutal killer, so by 'informing' people of that you feel you appear a little bit smarter. Only the thing is, Che's status as a bad man is very, very common knowledge. So you saying this in a forum is like saying 'Don't you know Manson was a serial killer?' to someone wearing a Manson shirt. Yes, they know, and you now ironically seem dumber for having assumed they didn't.
Jan. 4, 2008, 11:07 a.m. CST
Thanks for the feedback, ViktorBC
by Knuckleduster
Classyfredblassy, you're right. This is a talkback about Che Guevara, after all. But isn't this site primarily for filmlovers? It just seems that, no matter what the topic, there's always some 'Republican vs Democrat, wacko right-wing vs wacko left-wing' subtext to every fuckin talkback these days! What the fuck is wrong with you fuckin Americans? Surely this isn't the place for it. Are you people like this on a daily basis?
Jan. 4, 2008, 11:07 a.m. CST
CROW; [writing] Get...real...beard
by Osmosis Jones
Cherokee Jack...? ~ Yeah...*I'm* Cherokee Jack!
Jan. 4, 2008, 11:21 a.m. CST
You're right Knuckleduster
by ViktorBC
But you have to convince Harry Knowles 1st.
Jan. 4, 2008, 11:22 a.m. CST
People talk so authoritatively...
by BrooseTheScharuk
...like they were there, or even alive when all of this happened. Either angle you look at this kind of subject from, you are going to see it through a haze of hearsay and misinformation, built up over years and years by those involved, those on the sidelines, and those who weren't involved at all but have opinions nonetheless. We're all just ill-informed wankers who talk a lot of shit we know relatively little about. Having said that, my belief -- as misguided as it may be -- is that the majority of misinformation and manipulation of facts and perceptions comes from the US government, or elements within it. Many will likely disagree with that, but I believe that history (both past and future) will prove this to be true. I don't say this to be gloating or vindictive; I'm not out to insult anyone. It's just a very very sad truth. The ideals and principals on which America was founded are truly great and noble, but I think that the rich are wiping their asses with that stuff now. That's who's in charge and has been since the country was sold out to bankers in the early 20th century: outrageously rich individuals who don't give a flying fuck about you or me, whether we speak for or against them. Or maybe I'm wrong. I don't think I am, but at least I'm willing to entertain the idea.
Jan. 4, 2008, 11:30 a.m. CST
by BringingSexyBack
Vive La Matrix Revolucions!!!!
Jan. 4, 2008, 11:53 a.m. CST
I could give a fuck about political parties
by Orionsangels
I just don't like commies, but what I hate more are American loving commies, especially the ones that treat communist leaders like heroes. Yeah you Sean Penn! It's fun to go visit these bastards isn't it? Ride around with them. Go live there then. Go live with your hero.
Jan. 4, 2008, 11:57 a.m. CST
by BringingSexyBack
It's the embodiment of the "no good deed goes unpunished" principle. Penn's not personally responsible for the deaths of hundreds of thousands of people, but Bush, who is, has fucking fan base here. What hypocrisy. And I'm no Commie-loving Castro fan either. To me Cuba is a fascist dictatorship, and has nothing to do with Marxism.
Jan. 4, 2008, 11:58 a.m. CST
pipergates, you ignorant slut!
by morGoth
Hey dude, how's it going? Heh, believe it not, I do have a life (and knowledge of other things) outside LotR and now (yay!), the Hobbit.
 So, did you actually read my post above? I do recognize that many other folks outside the US, particularly in South America, idolize Che. I guess being one of those Loathsome Baby Boomers kinda gives me a life-long disliking (see: hatred) of any and all things Kommunist. One possible exception would be Ho Chi Minh as he was a nationalist first and Kommie second. I read up on ol' Che and Castro when I were but a tween and, I agree, they both started out with noble intentions but murderous means will never, ever justify any end. Though I ostensibly agree with you about Bush, I hope you agree that the context is different.
 In the context of a "revolution," atrocities certainly occur just as they do in traditional declared war. Most everyone can recognize it as a fact of armed conflict that any side will see their combatants do this. However, we are discussing a specific individual who not only ordered but actively engaged in pulling the trigger on his perceived enemies…not only on the battlefield but execution style. Would Bush, theoretically, have ever done anything like that? I contend that any human being on the planet has that potential but, of course, he never did (Cheney, on the other hand...) Are you saying we should go back to the type of conflicts where only the leaders duke it out? Wouldn't that put, say, Bin Laden in the same boat as Bush then? After all, he sent his goons to do the actual dirty, and I mean dirty, work. Moot discussion anyhoo as that's just now how armed conflict on a national level works…would that it did!
 Finally, it were the Thingfish what said that, not Zappa (snicker).
Jan. 4, 2008, 12:01 p.m. CST
I'm hispanic
by Orionsangels
I grew up around all this shit. My relatives were there. I know all the stories. I know the truth. You fuckin gringos just see it from a far. Communist aren't for the people. It's all bullshit. Hugo Chavez, Castro. These bastards live like kings while their people live like shit. It's all an act. The only people that get any benefits are the rich tourist and celebrities. Who bring in the Money. They're treated like royality. So of course Sean penn. Ed Asner, Robert Redford, all these commie lovin pigs, have nothing but nice things to say about these commie bastards. Funny thing is, Hugo Chavez is laughing at them behind their backs. You don't understand spanish. He says things about hollywood celebs and Americans that isn't registering with white America.
Jan. 4, 2008, 12:07 p.m. CST
Fuck Bush!
by Orionsangels
What, not supporting communist leaders now means you support Bush? Bush isn't America. He's a fuckin mistake. That'll hopefully be corrected soon come this election.
Jan. 4, 2008, 12:14 p.m. CST
Agree with you 100% Knuckleduster.
by morGoth
I wonder sometimes if the right in the US knows any other word besides liberal (with the left it's Nazi). Harry did kick it off with the Huckabee comment so any and all US political discussion in this TB are certainly not in the realm of "Off topic bullshit!" Having been banned and having all my loverly, loverly post deleted in the past, I can attest that one should stay on topic. Hah, as if THAT TB rule is rigourously applied!
 Oh yeah: Does the subject Che really justify two freakin' movies?!! WHo does Soderberg think he is, Peter Jackson? That was for you pipergates {[:^)
Jan. 4, 2008, 12:21 p.m. CST
this site is full of a holes.
by JacksonsPole
i can't even read the talk backs. all of the snarky ignorance makes me disgusted. this is my final post and the final time i read this site. thanks for the 'memories'...
Jan. 4, 2008, 12:29 p.m. CST
by kevinwillis.net
Don't let the door hit you in the ass on the way out. Or do, if you're into that kind of thing.
Jan. 4, 2008, 12:30 p.m. CST
No Node32774 doesn't hurt at all
by Orionsangels
I was born in America. I'm more apple than you. Fuck those Mexicans! Hehe. Most of my family are US citizens. We just happen to be hispanic. You can call me Spic too. I don't care. I've called spanish people spics. I speak english first. Spanish is secondary. I never did embrace the spanish culture. I hate spanish TV and their annoying music. I use gringo to refer to white america because I've heard other spanish people use it.
Jan. 4, 2008, 12:30 p.m. CST
by Jonas Grumpy
They're remaking that old Woody Allen flick? Who's playing the Conrad Bain role?
Jan. 4, 2008, 12:31 p.m. CST
BTW, Serial Killers and Mass Murders are Cool
by kevinwillis.net
When they do it for "social justice". Social Justice: The Ends Justify the Means, No Matter How Horrible. Yay, liberalism. Bill O'Rielly? A pernicious evil. Muslim honor killings? Well, you have to understand their culture. Communist mass murderers? Hey, at least they were trying for social justice! What did your guy do? Cut taxes for rich people! That's much worse that the wholesale slaughter/starvation of 25 million people.
Jan. 4, 2008, 12:34 p.m. CST
I wanna vomit when i watch fox news
by Orionsangels
Hannity is the worst. He honestly believes in that adam and eve bullshit, like Bushy. Sad backwards people. Brainwashed by their upbringing.
Jan. 4, 2008, 12:36 p.m. CST
What about Killing for fun for Social Justice?
by Orionsangels
Che enjoyed killing. He actually got a thrill out of it. Then its ok? You can't get more evil than that.
Jan. 4, 2008, 12:37 p.m. CST
OrionsAngels: Gringos
by kevinwillis.net
I'm reading a book called "Spanish for Gringos", to try and learn some basic Spanish. Should I be offended?
Jan. 4, 2008, 12:39 p.m. CST
Killing for Fun and Social Justice
by kevinwillis.net
It's the perfect liberal icon! Unrestrained hedonism (for the elite) in the pursuit of Utopia!
Jan. 4, 2008, 12:47 p.m. CST
I think we should all be offended...
by Orionsangels
and take everything said to us via the internet on a personal level, haha!
Jan. 4, 2008, 12:49 p.m. CST
I'm Offended You Would Say That
by kevinwillis.net
You . . . you . . . you Talkbacker, you!!!
Jan. 4, 2008, 12:50 p.m. CST
BTW, That Guy Really Looks Like Fidel
by kevinwillis.net
I think this movie will make a good DVD rental. Seriously.
Jan. 4, 2008, 12:51 p.m. CST
Che + Soderberg =
by BoggyCreekBeast
When is the new Indiana Jones movie coming out?
Jan. 4, 2008, 12:51 p.m. CST
Back in the USSR
by ViktorBC
I only know from what I have read from witnesses. Death marches and concentration camps and even canibalism from mass starvation. You don't like the rich becauce anti-capitalists have told you to do so. Actually, I should say convinced you of their "evil". It is not like in the movies. Liberal policy is, come up with a great idea that makes you rich and you will be punished for it. For every Lex Luthor there's 10 Bruce Waynes ot Tony Starks.
Jan. 4, 2008, 12:58 p.m. CST
Actually, Even Creepy Capitalists
by kevinwillis.net
End up being restrained by the market, and end up serving the public out of their own self-interest, or die. They don't have to be inherently philanthropic (in fact, the big philanthropist tend to endow non-profit organizations that, within a generation, become staffed and run by academics agitating for socialism and against capitalism). The free market ends up serving the customer, and much of the "evil" of the free market are actually result (in one way or another) of government interference or legal regulation trying to "improve" on the markets. Attempts to control prices or prevent price gouging always result in what? Hoarding and shortages. Free market pricing (even gouging) results in supplies getting to where they are most needed the quickest. If gougers can get $10 for a bottle of water in a disaster area, that area will not want for water--and the huge influx of water-bearers wanting to make $10 a bottle on water will end up driving down the prices! But, no, elite socialists know better than the free market, so price cap flu vaccine, driving most of the makers of the vaccine out of the business so there are shortages--that are then blamed on the pharmaceutical companies!
Jan. 4, 2008, 1 p.m. CST
by DeckardBladeRunner
So when are Dutch 75 and Gheeker McGhee going to wheigh on Predator working with Che to attack the evil capitalists, and their non egalitarian henchmen, THE ALIENS.... ...Wolf ROCKS with that shoulder cannon- BLASTING the ALIENS from the USA with CHE using the LAZER NET to catch the ones who escape... Fucking FOX PLANTS....
Jan. 4, 2008, 1:01 p.m. CST
BringingSexyBack, what the?...
by ViktorBC
Marxism is the basis for Communism. Cuba is comunist. Marxism always ends up as a toltarian state. It has failed every time it has been implimented my friend. Sean Penn is an idiot for hanging with dictators. Would you defend him so easily if it had been Hitler?
Jan. 4, 2008, 1:02 p.m. CST
Every Rich Capitalist in the World
by kevinwillis.net
Could be (and may be) a selfish little shallow price, and the free market still works--because if they screw their customers, or just don't serve them as well as the next guy, they are going to be put out of business. When they want to screw the little guy (which big business often does), where does it go? To fat cats on Wall Street? No, my friends. Big business goes to Big Government when it wants to secure itself a monopoly or drive legitimate competitors out of business. If you're a (relative, but still billion dollar) small fry fighting a big successful company, nothing like bringing the DOJ in on an anti-trust case. When Pan-Am wanted a monopoly on air-travel, did it try to buy every other airline (well, yes, but not everybody was in the market to sell). So did it try to drive everybody else out of business with competetive pricing? Nope--it went to the government, and demanded that the government pass a law making them the only legal airline in America! Didn't work, but the hothouse environment of the heavily regulated air travel industry still makes that an unpleasant field to work in and with which to do business. But I digress.
Jan. 4, 2008, 1:02 p.m. CST
by DeckardBladeRunner
So are the Aliens communists? Or is the Predator a communist? That shoulder cannon just SCREAMS social distribution and equality to me, but the face huggers, attacking that pizza delivery boy....
Jan. 4, 2008, 1:03 p.m. CST
Selfish Little Shallow "Prick"
by kevinwillis.net
Is what I meant to say. I've met lots of rich assholes, small business owning assholes, etc. But the free market makes them serve their customers or perish.
Jan. 4, 2008, 1:04 p.m. CST
Aliens are Communists
by kevinwillis.net
Predators are Capitalists. I think it should be obvious.
Jan. 4, 2008, 1:05 p.m. CST
by BoggyCreekBeast
"attacking that pizza delivery boy" Oh, thanks for ruining this eventual DVD rental! ;^)
Jan. 4, 2008, 1:08 p.m. CST
Predators are Capitalists? Nope...
by ViktorBC
They act like Spartans. If you knew your history you would know that Marx "borrowed" some of his ideas from ancient Sparta. Predators are Marxists.
Jan. 4, 2008, 1:11 p.m. CST
For the FOX PLANTS Dutch 75 and Gheeker McGhee
by DeckardBladeRunner
I'm hoping to gain their affection by working to turn all talk backs into a AVPR discussion. And I think that the PREDATOR is in fact a communist- he has that hot southern rebellion leader thing, fights with the USA in south america... ... The ALIEN is more of the US corporation run amok- McDonalds Culture trying to assimilate the poor central and south american characters (Vasquez) etc. to become just like them- CONSUMERS AND CAPITALISTS!!! CHE and THE PREDATOR vs. ALIENS and the USA in 2008 (tagline: "what side will the predalien take... whatever it picks, WE LOSE!!!) FUCK OFF PLANTS
Jan. 4, 2008, 1:13 p.m. CST
Che has become a cartoon character
by luis1210
He is just a T-shirt made in chinese sweatshops for all the rich liberal people to wear while they protest drinking coke and gatorade!! Whatever his ideology they don't care. Also all this artists coming to my country (Venezuela) and supporting this fucktard we have as president it's sickening, especially danny glover who is an opportunistic prick, he comes here only for money. The last year we had visits from Oliver Stone, Kevin Spacey, Sean Penn, Danny Glover and Naomi Campbell, all endorsing a hateful president. Being antibush doesn't have to mean being pro intolerant leftist. Besides Chavez is only a power hungry bastard, no ideology whatsoever.
Jan. 4, 2008, 1:16 p.m. CST
ViktorBC and HarrysNemesis
by PurityOfEssence
I would consider myself to be conservative (though I did not and would not vote for Bush - their is almost nothing conservative about that man or his administration) in many ways - I don't care much for gun control, I think that taxes of the citizenry are too high especially those who make very little, think that to much money goes into government bureaucracies /agencies, and a whole list of other things. But you two sound like a couple of nuts. No one has even seen this damn movie - what makes it a glorification. Nemesis how the hell do you "know" that Penn would willing line people up and execute them. Because he associated with a man who is an asshole? Grow up - you demonize Chavez because of his politics not his actions. We have allies that do the same fucking shit and worse - its just that they aren't socialists, we talk and talk and talk about all the shit other people do but we never look at ourselves. Our "Liberal" and "Conservative" presidents have used sanctions against nations that we have deemed evil. Those sanctions aren't don't harm the command and control structure, they harm the populace who because, the uncaring tyrant at the top isn't going to be to concerned that the people at the bottom are getting worse.
Jan. 4, 2008, 1:18 p.m. CST
Predator vs. Bush
by DeckardBladeRunner
Did Wolf the Predator vote for Bush, or Kerry...or Obama?
Jan. 4, 2008, 1:19 p.m. CST
Oh Wingnuts!!!
by Garamond
You Foxtards just crack me up. I'm as liberal as the day is long, most of my friends are liberal. I know no communists, none. You are just repeating your talking point like a good little sheep. Seems like you all are just reading out of the McCarthy playbook and forgot to update the terminology. Silly wingnuts. Seriously, turn off Fox Noise, do some research on your own, and come back to reality. The majority of America misses you.
Jan. 4, 2008, 1:29 p.m. CST
by DeckardBladeRunner
So, as a liberal, do you side with the PREDATOR?
Jan. 4, 2008, 1:42 p.m. CST
The majority of Ameicans are Christian and
by ViktorBC
...traditionalists with Conservative values. A history lesson for you: McCarthy was looking for commies in Government, the congress was picking on celebs. You do know communists Garamond! They are called the ACLU. ACLU founder Roger Nash Baldwin left behind an institution that is fundamentally un-American and subversive to the principles upon which America was founded. He was a 'self-proclaimed' comunist and the rganization, which liberals adore, is still pushing his agenda. Modern liberalism is based on socialism. Big government, lax morals, banishment of religeon, etc. That's why so manu talkbackers are upset. We know why Harry is so excited about this movie. Because he believes the bile about Che being a hero. I feel sorry for him.
Jan. 4, 2008, 1:52 p.m. CST
luis1210, you're awesome!
by Spandau Belly
I totally agree with you. Kids in my city are always sporting Che shirts, ask them who he was and they can only tell you "he was a revolutionary", ask them what revolution, what were his beliefs, his tactics, what did he achieve, and they don't know.
Jan. 4, 2008, 1:58 p.m. CST
Goddammit Harry
by Saluki
From one Liberal to another, grow up. Your site is infested with backwards ass kids that haven't seen sunlight in ages. Stirring up shit with them is a waste of our time. Raise the flag, don't just wave it!
Jan. 4, 2008, 2:03 p.m. CST
by Ray Gamma
Anything that puts the wind up the fat Neo-Con Christian Right cunts in the USA is fine by me. Plus these photos make it look very authentic. Soderbergh is a high-quality artist.
Jan. 4, 2008, 2:05 p.m. CST
As a Liberal, Garamond Sides
by kevinwillis.net
With the Aliens. It's obvious. As a typeface, he is entirely overused.
Jan. 4, 2008, 2:10 p.m. CST
As defined by Viktor...
by Garamond
RUN, CHILDREN, RUN, THE ACLU IS COMING! Kudos, Viktor, you were able to fit in a whole bunch of Neo-Conservative talking points into one little post. Good for you. Your Sean Hannity coffee mug is in the mail.
Jan. 4, 2008, 2:11 p.m. CST
"The majority of Ameicans are Christian and...
by seppukudkurosawa
"...traditionalists with Conservative values. A history lesson for you: McCarthy was looking for commies in Government, the congress was picking on celebs. You do know communists Garamond! They are called the ACLU. ACLU founder Roger Nash Baldwin left behind an institution that is fundamentally un-American and subversive to the principles upon which America was founded."

Are you implying that the essence of being an American is being a Conservative Christian, and, if you don't follow that ethos, you're un-American? Meaning, anyone who doesn't follow the majority opinion on their country's politics is Un_insert country here_? I'd hate to live in your homogenised little world, ViktorStoneAge.
Jan. 4, 2008, 2:14 p.m. CST
It will be on the History channel for weeks on end...
by Philvis
Make what they want, I don't care. Just don't turn the films into introspective pieces where it "shows" how these figures were just misunderstood and not all that bad. Show them for what they were; a bunch of murdering villains who preyed upon their own peoples for their benefit, not the peoples.
Jan. 4, 2008, 2:14 p.m. CST
At least I'm not Comic Sans
by Garamond
I agree, very overused font.
Jan. 4, 2008, 2:16 p.m. CST
AVP Requiem
by DeckardBladeRunner
Are the Aliens Christian Conservatives? Hmmmmm?
I agree that the Che shirts are stupid. Maybe this film will bring to the light of day the truth of these men, so people can just move on.
Jan. 4, 2008, 2:20 p.m. CST
by Magma Suit
Yes, the Predators represent tax and spend, secular humanist, anti-Christmas blue state liberals.
Jan. 4, 2008, 2:21 p.m. CST
Marxism IS the source BSB...
by DoctorWho?
Its the model all these dictators followed. Read a book.
Jan. 4, 2008, 2:29 p.m. CST
The Blue State Predator
by DeckardBladeRunner
Magma- what does the shoulder cannon symbolize in hte PREDATOR's politcal agenda?
Jan. 4, 2008, 2:36 p.m. CST
Answer to seppukudkurosawa
by ViktorBC
Not exactly. The model of a conservative is conserving the values this nation was based on. You have the right to say or believe anything you want. Many conservatives believe that Liberals want to change those rights by converting this "capitalist republic" into theocratic socialist dystopia one ACLU lawsuit at a time. Indeed, look out the ACLU is coming! They have defended known terrorists, child molesters and other predators for their agenda. Americans, despite having, for the most part, Judeo-Christian values, are unaware of this. The 1st amendment protects Americans, for example, from a National religion like the Church of England. There is no such thing as "separation of church and state" in the Constitution. Hugo Black created that term. A member of the Democratic Party, Black represented the state of Alabama in the United States Senate from 1926 to 1937, and served as an Associate Justice of the Supreme Court of the United States from 1937 to 1971. Widely regarded as one of the most influential Supreme Court justices in the 20th century, he was nominated by President Franklin D. Roosevelt and confirmed by the Senate by a vote of 63 to 13. Black became a member of the Robert E. Lee Klan No. 1, a branch of the Ku Klux Klan in Birmingham, in 1923. His hatred of emigrating Irish Catholics influenced him to "reinterpret" the Bill of Rights to fit his desires. Hence, seperation of Church and State.
Jan. 4, 2008, 2:40 p.m. CST
Mysterious Yobo: Marxism doesn't work
by ViktorBC
It never has. It has been tried over and over again and always ends in misary.
Jan. 4, 2008, 2:43 p.m. CST
Back to movies: Part II
by ViktorBC
Has anyone seen a Natinal Treasure 2 review on AICN???
Jan. 4, 2008, 2:48 p.m. CST
No, but I did seen NT2, Book of Secrets
by Grammaton Cleric Binks
I like it the first time I saw it when it was called The Goonies.
Jan. 4, 2008, 2:48 p.m. CST
by Grammaton Cleric Binks
Me flunk English, that's unpossible.
Jan. 4, 2008, 3:26 p.m. CST
America:vote TOTAL FUCKING DESTRUCTION 2008!
by travis-dane
He would bring the only right thing to the ASSHOLES at FOX studios,Geecker McFuck and all the other PLANTS and SHITHEADS on our lovely PLANET and that is:TOTAL FUCKING DESTRUCTION!So to ALL AMERICAN TB`s:Let`s bring TOTAL FUCKING DESTRUCTION TO THE OLD 1600!
Jan. 4, 2008, 3:32 p.m. CST
Viktor, why don't you go and try and get
by Sepulchrave
your oliver North biopic made? Or how about those guys who were trained at the School of the Americas? Or Pinochet. You know: your heroes. The ones who are forcing campasinos to pay for privatized rainwater and have defoliated Peru so often that coca is now the ONLY THING that will grow there. I've been all over that continent; I've seen how those people live and I know that they know WHY. And they have every right to want to burn your smug State Department ass into the ground for what you've paid for and had done.
Jan. 4, 2008, 4 p.m. CST
Sepulchrave...sorry amigo
by Philvis
but you don't know what you are talking about. My wife is from Peru and there are not large areas deforested from DEA/CIA missions etc. making the peasants farm coca instead. People grow coca because it is profitable, whether it be for illegal or legal uses. South America has always been in shambles and will stay in shambles until everyone is educated there. The "leaders" there prey on the uneducated masses by promising this and that and in the end the people get more taken from them. It's the oldest trick in the book. The government comes in and confiscates land from the rich and redistribute to the poor. The poor who don't have the management skills do not know how to run farms, etc. and they take loans out readily given by the govt for equipment and such. Since their farms are doomed from the start, when it comes time to pay back the gov't, they are unable and the govt then takes the land, effectively taking from the rich through the backdoor. The corruption never ends. People like Che and Castro manipulate the poor just like scum like Chavez is doing now. They use the people to rise to power to help them out, but in the end, it is just to serve their means and the cycle never ends.
Jan. 4, 2008, 4:04 p.m. CST
by Alexander Luthor
...some really complex issues. Yes Che and Castro have killed people and yes Castro is a dictator and freedoms are limited in Cuba. BUT, look up Operation Condor on wikipedia. These guys came to power and led political and social (and yes, militaristic) movements against equally and in some cases more brutal authoritarian regimes that were supported by the US government either openly or covertly. Look at the assasination of Allende and the placement of Pinochet as an example of how this worked. Or look at the history of the Contras and the Sandanistas in Nicaragua, El Salvador etc. I was totally against most US foreign policy decisions over the past 50 years since my time in college and in grad school a guy that grew up in El Salvador during the war between the US backed, tyrannical Contras and the Sandanistas was going on. His monther was a supporter of the Sandanistas. She was captured by Contra forces and tortured. He told me of how they used elictricity to shock her vagina for god's sakes. He also told me of picking up dead bodies from the war in his neighboring villages and how the carnage was so total that you had to look down a dead body's pants to determine if they were male or female because their faces and physical features were either destroyed or burned off. His first memory is his mom teaching him to write and his village was attacked. The grenades and bombs going off and shaking so much that she told him to put his pencil between his teeth so that he wouldn't bite his tongue off during the explosions. Living in these areas of the 3rd world is hell for all types of people (conservative, liberal, authoritarian or communist). And that's when I realized, for myself, that the world is not simply right or wrong. It's a series of bad choices. There are no good choices or political philosophies that work 100% of the time. Communism did bring some equality to people's lives but it also took away a lot of their freedoms. Socialism spread wealth in some cases and was used as a cover in other cases to consolidate power ( think Hussein in Iraq). But socialism in western european countries had really changed people's lives for the better. On the flip side the fall of communism has totally changed many of the former soviet blocs for the better. Communism as Lenin and Stalin practiced it was clearly a failure. That said, my friend growing up in El Salvador was brutalized and so was his family because they supported a POPULAR and populist movement that was socialist and was much better in terms of treatment of the people in his home country then the right wing groups. And our government secretly supported his oppressors. All I'm saying is, we are nearly 20 years past the end of the Cold War . America is clearly capitalist. But it is also made of socialist policies. Social Security. the movement for national health care. Medicare. Medicaid. Hell, even our education system as well as most of our utility and road and highway systems are run on socialist policies. Worker's compensation, the right to form a union, sick days, protections against sexual harassment....all socialist in origin. Not capitalist. It's time we put those simplistic notions of politics and good and evil aside. Outside of clear demons like Hitler, Bin Laden, Kim Jong Il in North Koreain Iran and a few others that you already know there are mostly conflicted, complex, gray-area style political leaders in our history. This could be an interesting movie if it properly situates the communist revolutionary spirit of that time within the context that these people were genuinely rebelling against oppressive forces and in so doing became oppressive in their own right in order to hold up their high ideals. That is what is so interesting about power and ideology. So don't count a movie out just because it's about questionable people or people who's ideologies you don't necessarily agree with. Put it this way, if a movie about Hitler came out directed by PT Anderson and starring Daniel Day Lewis and it examined his life, the social, political and economic strife of early 20th century Germany and the xenophobia against non-whites and the birth of jingoism and how it relates to power, politics and society in general. If a movie like that came out and it looked cool and tried to be authentic then people would probably be something we would all line up for as serious movie fans. Some of you just need to get over it. I know socialism is still a 4 letter word to many of you but it is here in america and it's not going anywhere. My family and friends have personally benefitted from social security, welfare policies and job re-training programs run by the government (socialist). And the others of you who hate capitalism also need to get over it. This is a capitalist country and sometimes conservatives win and enact policies that you may disagree with (like limiting civil rights of homosexuals or starting wars preemptively on less than solid evidence). But I would rather then have their say then tell them that they can't vote or have any say at all and that anyone that questions what I believe should have to be imprisoned or not allowed to vote. What do ya think, guys?
Jan. 4, 2008, 4:06 p.m. CST
Sadly, Memories-Of_murder...
by morGoth
...the right in the US truly don't see any difference between a liberal (whatever that actually means anymore) and a Marxist/Leninist communist. The Rove/Coulter/Lumbaugh propoganda machine has totally brainwashed many people in the US. Che and Castro could've only dreamed of such power and Goebbels is happily and proudly watching it all from Nazi Hell.
 And speaking of Fidel and Cuba, why don't we just drop the stupid embargo and let good ol' capitalism introduce democracry to Cuba? Hey, worked in the ex-Soviet Union, Vietnam and China so why not Cuba? Yeah, I know it's a stretch to call them democratic but I speak in relative terms.
Jan. 4, 2008, 4:20 p.m. CST
Tell ya what I think A. Luthor...
by morGoth
...the CIA's activites in Chile were done in the context of the Cold War. See my post way up about how things get justified (for good or ill) during war, cold or not. Not saying what the US did in Chile was morally right, in the absolute sense, but it was yet another example of collateral damage during the execution of a war. By comparison, would you call for Chuck Yeager to go on trail for war crimes? He mentions an episode in his first book where he and his wingman were ordered to strafe a column of French civilians just to clear a road for advancing Allied troops. Absolutely horrible and disgusting but that sort of thing just comes with warfare. I'm quite sure some of those surviving civilians hate the US to this day as a result but I hope they see that we helped drive the greater evil, Nazi troops, out of their country. I despise what we did in Chile and I won't try to rationalize or excuse it away but would you rather be living under the tender mercies of the U.S.S.R. today or still enjoying freedom? Tough call, yes? Though I daresay I know what most Chileans would answer...a very bad choice on the part of the US.
Jan. 4, 2008, 4:25 p.m. CST
Mysterious Yobo:
by morGoth
Communism will never work (see: Zappa statement above)...it is in direct defiance of that most basic human instinct...selfishness. It remains to be seen about Chavez but I'm betting he'll end up as yet another Kommie leader who ends up being dictator for life, living high on the hog and in the end, getting lynched by "the people."
Jan. 4, 2008, 4:26 p.m. CST
Time Bandits....anyone
by kirttrik
Che and Castro meet up with the Time Bandits...and then the hilarity ensues. Che.v.TB 2008
Jan. 4, 2008, 4:37 p.m. CST
My aren't you an eloquent writer Yobo.
by DoctorWho?
That must mean you ARE a gentleman. Im duly impressed. You must be college educated as well. Let me spell it out for you, I'll be gentle... Any political practice or theory that is based on an interpretation of the works of Marx and Engels may be called Marxism. The dictators being refered to by me are/were Communist. You sir, are a douche bag. Your "repressed anger and frustration" should be owned by yourself and your untamed mind. It amuses me to own you as such. You are hence known as my 'Bitch Troll'
Jan. 4, 2008, 4:44 p.m. CST
2 Movies????
by movieman742
So are they just like a long 4 hour movie splint in two, or two seperate stories?
Jan. 4, 2008, 5 p.m. CST
by Ray Gamma
Take your head out of your arse. America IS the bad guy.
Jan. 4, 2008, 5:20 p.m. CST
Predators are Rastafarians
by JackieJokeman
Jan. 4, 2008, 5:40 p.m. CST
Sepulchrave, re: "the right has no..."
by Immortal_Fish
"the right has no psychotic revolutionary heroes worth putting on a poster; hold on: they have no artists, comedians or rock stars either."
Hey, brainiac... one of our guys running in the primary is an actor in a drama presently airing on national television. Furthermore, one of our best presidents this century was once an actor. As for comedians and rock stars, there are Dennis Miller and Ted Nugent. And if you opened your eyes, you would see that there are many, many more.
This is the part where you say none of these folks count, or they have no talent and suck anyway, or you bash me for some reason, or... Because after all, this IS talkback.
Jan. 4, 2008, 5:57 p.m. CST
Ray Gamma, re: "America IS the bad guy."
by Immortal_Fish
Oh. It's all clear to me now. Thanks!
Jan. 4, 2008, 5:58 p.m. CST
by Pageiv
*SPOILER* It has a happy ending!
Jan. 4, 2008, 6:18 p.m. CST
proletarian hobbits of the world, unite!
by pipergates
Some friends worked wtih Sodebergh's crew when they filmed in La Paz, Bolivia, and were blown away with what they saw. We got to see a little trailer of Benicio being Che in the u.n. in new york, all in black and white. Looked amazing. Just like seeing a documentary with Che Guevara somehow closely resembling Benicio del Toro ...morGoth, i do hope you see the film(s), whatever your political view be. There's got to be a lot of interesting visuals of bloody combat, dirty intrigues, etc. Should make for a hell of a story. I dont think Soderbergh is the kind that would paint one side the saint and one the villain. But I bet he will do what he can do show some c.i.a. atrocities and the like. Fidel looks great, wish they had glued a bigger nose on him(like a real troll's), but he sure looks real. and grimy. and he got Stinkfoot, baby.
Jan. 4, 2008, 6:20 p.m. CST
"It doesn't matter how many innocent people were killed and put
by ebonic_plague
"... these guys are 'heros' to the left." I am no desire to waste precious oxygen "debating" you cro-mags, but damned if that wasn't the pinnacle of sadly ironic hilarity for this talkback. We create our own reality, indeed. Eat a big bag of dicks, dittoheads.
Jan. 4, 2008, 6:21 p.m. CST
anybody calling themselves morGoth got to be nazi
by pipergates
anyway, no? identify with the dark side?
Jan. 4, 2008, 6:22 p.m. CST
Looks like Burt Reynolds
by ImFixingtoDie
Too well-groomed.
Jan. 4, 2008, 6:22 p.m. CST
"...put in jail..."
by ebonic_plague
at least give me an orchestra music swell if you're gonna cut me off.
Jan. 4, 2008, 6:26 p.m. CST
LOL Bitch Troll...
by DoctorWho?
You truly are a tool. Never address me again.
Jan. 4, 2008, 6:28 p.m. CST
Immortal Fish
by ebonic_plague
Miller and Nugent? You think between the two of them they could sell out a state fair these days? And, just curious, if the hollywood elite is the enemy of truth and justice, why do the republicans always nominate them? I suppose if all you need is a puppet to mouth party talking points, has-been actors is the way to go.
Jan. 4, 2008, 6:51 p.m. CST
No pipergates...
by morGoth
...ya gurt ninnyhammer. The posting handle comes from when I used to be addicted to playing Quake online. I figured the "dark enemy of the world" a fitting name for deathmatch playing (everyone in the game is your enemy), yes? I just started using it when I first started posting here because I was too lazy to come up with another clever handle. Nope, sorry to disappoint but I've nary a Nazi bone in my body...I heartily despise the far left and right in equal proportions. I've been alternately called liberal/conservative scum so I s'pose that makes me a moderate.
 Tell ya what, I WILL watch these flicks when they come out on video just to display my objectivity...how's that?
 BTW, hope you didn't get pissed at my "ignorant slut" attempt at humor...I were only funnin' ya and it's from an old Dan Ackroyd SNL skit.
Jan. 4, 2008, 6:52 p.m. CST
if you were liberal you would be morHobbit
by pipergates
Jan. 4, 2008, 6:55 p.m. CST
likewise man
by pipergates
glad youre open to see them films
Jan. 4, 2008, 7:06 p.m. CST
Well said luis1210!
by Orionsangels
Jan. 4, 2008, 7:08 p.m. CST
Hah, right you are ebonic!
by morGoth
Ted Nugent is about as shitty a guitarist as, evidently, Che was a successful revolutionary! What anybody ever saw in that no talent hack (unless you're a hunter, I s'pose) is beyond me. "Wang Dang Sweet Poontang", what a class act. And please: "I had no idea those were hash pipes on our album cover (Amboy Dukes)."
 Natch, Miller is as humorless as Nugent is on guitar. OK, he did say one or two funny things once but his humor mostly appeals to those who have a lemon stuck permanently up their asses.
Jan. 4, 2008, 7:09 p.m. CST
what i saw from the teaser is worthy of big screen
by pipergates
even if they be commies. just pretend they're kind of rogue men of gondor fighting against the orcs who later become corrupted by their success and their paranoia. but seriously, looks like Soderbergh is making oscar-grade movies here. my filming friends claim he's holding them back for oscar-season.
Jan. 4, 2008, 7:16 p.m. CST
Oh, now Hobbits are liberals?
by morGoth
I have personal evidence that Farmer Maggot was a Sharkey sympathizer! "Folks are queer in those parts!" A typical right wing gay-bashing remark from Gaffer Gamgee concerning the Tooks! OK, I admit Frodo may have leaned a bit to the left but that was only after Sam turned him down for Rosy Cotton...a known stoolie for the Sherriffs!
Jan. 4, 2008, 7:23 p.m. CST
once a maggot always a maggot
by pipergates
"a tree born twisted will never straighten out"
Jan. 4, 2008, 7:26 p.m. CST
I do hope that's the case piper.
by morGoth
And, yeah, I did actually enjoy (mostly) "Motorcycle Diaries" though I think it tended to overly romanticize Che.
 Hmmm...I've always envisioned orcs as Kommies. "I'll have your number and report you!"
Jan. 4, 2008, 7:48 p.m. CST
how long for news about the hobbit-films?
by pipergates
hang on there McKellen! orcs are commies? i imagine Tolkien had a more Teutonic image in mind. Ringwraiths are the SS.
Jan. 4, 2008, 7:58 p.m. CST
Huckabee LOL
by dasheight
If Huckabee wins, prepare to have nothing but G-rated family films at your local cinema for the next four years. His wife has already started campaigning against Hollywood, and Huckabee has said that R-rated films "corrupt the morals of the American youth". So, good luck with Huck, Harry.
Jan. 4, 2008, 7:59 p.m. CST
by dasheight
Not to mention the fact that he said that all AIDS patients should be quarantined and that homosexuality is an abomination.
Jan. 4, 2008, 8:08 p.m. CST
We've already had the definitive Che movie
by chrth
Jan. 4, 2008, 8:09 p.m. CST
dasheight: are you new here?
by chrth
There's no way Harry would support Huckabee. Harry's a lipstick liberal.
 Nice to see that Huckabee's wife has something in common with Tipper Gore, though.
Jan. 4, 2008, 8:23 p.m. CST
He looks like a scruffy latino Columbo, kinda...
by The Dum Guy
At least in the first pic.
Jan. 4, 2008, 8:28 p.m. CST
Here is a link to a couple reasons why this movie shouldn't be m
by BostonAlex247
http://cubaarchive.org/home/index.php Just link to all the lives these two devils have ruined. ive never posted, but as a cuban american this movie makes me puke. the story of che' and fidel is far from epic, its tragic in the sense that they've ruined the lives of so many ppl for an ideology that any dumb person could tell you could never work. I with this site was more about movies again, instead of politics. CUBA SI CASTRO NO
Jan. 4, 2008, 8:58 p.m. CST
by BringingSexyBack
Communist In Name Only. Pure Marxism, or pure Communism, as I understand it, does not provide for a party or leader of perpetual power to control everyone. Cuba, the Soviet Union, China - all are totalitarian fascist states that only use the label of Communism to mask its true state.
 If I'm wrong, someone who is versed in Marxism please correct me. I'm just a Capitalist pig.
Jan. 4, 2008, 9:01 p.m. CST
Che Guevara was a murderer, and your t-shirt isn't cool.
by briantag
To all those kids who proudly wear Che Guevara shirts or hang posters of the guy on their wall - listen to people who actually understand history and know that he killed thousands of innocent people en route to undeserved stardom. You don't know anything about him - so throw your stupid t-shirt away and quit trying to be "revolutionary." And if you agree enough with that to join the Facebook group on the topic, here it is, beootches: http://www.facebook.com/group.php?gid=2207390078
Jan. 4, 2008, 9:02 p.m. CST
Che Guevara was a murderer..
by briantag
Fuck it, the FB link didn't work. But you guys get the idea.
Jan. 4, 2008, 9:06 p.m. CST
ebonic_plague, re:
by Immortal_Fish
Jan. 4, 2008, 9:11 p.m. CST
BSB: You're close
by chrth
The original communism as conceived by Marx and Engels did not have any leadership. However, it was Lenin who came up with the idea of Vanguard Communism, namely, a ruling class dedicated to proletarian values. In theory, after the working class is enlightened, the vanguard can die away. Oddly enough, that has never happened. Some info from Wikipedia (with links to the original text): http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/What_is_to_be_done (remove spaces)
Jan. 4, 2008, 9:23 p.m. CST
ebonic_plague, re:"(exactly what I thought would be written here
by Immortal_Fish
"Miller and Nugent? You think between the two of them they could sell out a state fair these days?"
BTW, thank you so much for obviating what I predicted. So very satisfying. Those are the only two names I mentioned earlier, so they are the only two that count. Of course.
Back to point, could they pack a state fair? Certainly. You underestimate. Yes, they could pack a venue in this day and age, especially considering that Peaches and Herb can still pack a venue in my own neck of the woods in the bluest state of MA. And therein your underestimation lies ignorance.
"And, just curious, if the hollywood elite is the enemy of truth and justice, why do the republicans always nominate them? I suppose if all you need is a puppet to mouth party talking points, has-been actors is the way to go."
Excuse me? Where exactly do I mention how the hollywood elite is the enemy of truth and justice? And what evidence do you have that accounts for how the republicans always nominate them?
What exactly do you mean?
Jan. 4, 2008, 9:25 p.m. CST
Evangelicals and the R rating.
by Rev. Slappy
I am a church-goer but not one of the crazy ones. Growing up we were always told it was bad to see R rated films. It's kind of hilarious to see Christians bash Hollywood and then totally buy into how Hollywood rates its own content. It was also hilarious how some Christians advocated taking small children to see the Passion of the Christ.
Jan. 4, 2008, 9:29 p.m. CST
ebonic_plague, re: "has-been actors"
by Immortal_Fish
BTW, how does this even apply, considering the Republican hopeful dropped out of his contract from a program that CURRENTLY AIRS on national television?
Reagan was a has-been when he ran. Fred Thompson is not.
You, sir, are ignorant. Which is not synonymous with 'dumb', but I leave the composition of your response up to you.
Jan. 4, 2008, 9:31 p.m. CST
Mysterious Yobo is proving my earlier point...
by ViktorBC
Again! I present history and facts and you can only present juvenile insults. Thanks buddy! Keep up the perfect record of not being able to make a point by point counter-argument. I am waiting for your witty retort...
Jan. 4, 2008, 10:08 p.m. CST
by uss cygnus
Movies like this are treasonous garbage. I'm surprised we haven't had a "Osama Bin Laden: The misunderstood humanitarian" movie yet.
Jan. 4, 2008, 11:16 p.m. CST
I'm a Barack kinda guy
by HEADGEEK
Like the cut of the man
Jan. 4, 2008, 11:22 p.m. CST
Be careful Harry, you know what they say
by chrth
Once you go black, you never go back.
 Although when it comes to Obama vs Hilary, you gotta go with Bros before Hos.
Jan. 4, 2008, 11:52 p.m. CST
Communism is evil
by danec
Why? The proof is in the pudding. Every communist party that has ever come to power anywhere, has been brutal to the extreme... Brutal dictators will kill to take power, communists take power to kill. These guys shouldn't be glorified. I shudder every time I see one of those Che posters or t-shirts. You want to read the truth about communism? Go here: http://ninecommentaries.com/
Jan. 5, 2008, 12:22 a.m. CST
by danec
You should check out that link I posted. Every communist regime in history, without exception, has been an absolute disaster for humanity. Why? You can be sure it is not because Marxism is some benign ideology. It is real twisted stuff. People need to be clearer on what communism is. I don't know if this movie does glorify Che and Castro, but no average person would accept a movie that glorified or treating Nazism as acceptable, why do people consider communist things acceptable? As bad as fascism is, Communists have killed far far more people than Nazis. Another interesting note: talkbackers above have said that communism is not much worse than other types of ideologies. There have been brutal, authoritarian regimes that have reformed and moved towards a normal democracy, the KMT in Taiwan is an example. However, never has a communist regime ever done this. Communist regimes have only ever lost power when they collapse and the sooner the better.
Jan. 5, 2008, 12:39 a.m. CST
by BringingSexyBack
Just so Anchorite can have that long-overdue fatal heart attack. Fuck you you stupid twat pig fucker.
Jan. 5, 2008, 12:40 a.m. CST
by BringingSexyBack
Somehow he comes off as a very endearing kind of guy.
Jan. 5, 2008, 12:42 a.m. CST
by BringingSexyBack
Sentiment stills holds though.
Jan. 5, 2008, 1:15 a.m. CST
by jmyoung666
Your point has little to do with Communism as most of the brutal communist regimes replaced more brutal fascist/capitalist regimes. For example, no one who knows anything would argue the Sandanistas were worse than the Somoza regime. Also, What Bush is doing in Iraq is worse than anything Che did. Just because he does it through beaurocracy and proxy does not mean otherwise. As pointe dout elsewhere a truly Marxist regime would be much more democratic than anything we have ever had in America. I don't agree with Marx's ideology on purely economic terms, but it is no more prone to totalitarianism than other Western ideologies.
Jan. 5, 2008, 1:15 a.m. CST
Power corrupts..
by otm shank
and absolute power corrupts absolutely. Conservative, liberal, marxist, leninist, communist, or even the fuckin strip mall rent-a-cop. Give a man a rope, he wants to be a cowboy.
Jan. 5, 2008, 1:37 a.m. CST
otm -> Halle-fuckin-lujiah!
by quantize
Well said...all these fuckin weenies political point scoring like they think they have something worked out for sure
Jan. 5, 2008, 1:48 a.m. CST
Immortal Fish
by ebonic_plague
Yeah, you mentioned Miller and Nugent, two has beens who only get attention from people like you because they've "reinvented" themselves as partisan hacks. Miller hasn't been funny since he cut the mullet and Nugent is responsible for some of the worst music since Yoko, both now have careers solely based on the amount of conservative cock they suck. If those aren't the best two examples you could think of, then name some conservative entertainers who aren't has been hacks. And yeah, I guess I forgot about Fred Thompson's long and storied acting career, it must be the way he melts into his roles entirely. His dedication to the craft is undeniable, and I'm sure his Hollywood star is inevitable. I'm sorry if my composed response put blasphemous words in your mouth, as I'm sure your household rings with the praise of the good deeds of the noble hollywood elite on a daily basis. Feel free to nitpick and loophole your way into "winning" this "debate," unfortunately I'm without my copy of Robert's Rules, I guess I'll just have to resort to the usual talkback dirty tricks and refer you to the aforementioned bag of dicks the next time you feel the need to address me. GOOD DAY, SIR!
Jan. 5, 2008, 2:26 a.m. CST
Bardem doesn't even resemble Castro
by Prossor
what a stupid fucking choice that would've been. he's too droopy. now he's going to do fine as drug emperor Escobar with the movie with Bale
Jan. 5, 2008, 6:32 a.m. CST
by ninjatracksuit
Hey, yo - check this out: http://www.therealcuba.com/MurderedbyChe.htm Simple as a smack to the face, but to the point. Do some digging if you need more information from the esteemed source of your choice. The man was responsible for the murder of innocent families and children. Period. How can you argue with this, or even try and justify it with politics or the 'in this time/period of turmoil' argument? Some lines you just don't cross, because, well - after that it doesn't matter how grey you try and paint it, there is just wrong and right. What Che did was wrong - not just wrong, but morally detestable (along with his companero, Castro - see why people in Cuba and Miami were dancing in the streets a while back when they thought he had died?)...And here's the thing - to those that tire of the nag 'Che isn't a hero, etc'...Most people in America don't know the difference between Cuba, Haiti, Latin America, and South America...So when some chic douche waltzes up with their newest Old Navy Che swag...Well, they need to know the truth about him asap - 'cause more than likely their precious new textiles were made in the nation that is the prime example of how horribly a communist state can flay the right of the individual...oh, at 3 cents an hour. Manbearcapitalcommunistpig reigns supreme these days.
Jan. 5, 2008, 7:59 a.m. CST
'One of our best presidents was an actor'
by Sepulchrave
that old MYTH. The guy who brought down communism whilst wearing a diaper. The great deluder. The Iran Contra dealer. Reagan was the biggest emptiest bladder of wind who ever flew over the White House. And Fred Thompson is DEAD in the wind, along with his teenage wife. DEAD. Watch for his withdrawal by the end of this week.
Jan. 5, 2008, 8:02 a.m. CST
Hillary Clinton started out a NIXON campaigner
by Sepulchrave
that's ALL you need to know about her. She's a vacuous control freak, a bad lawyer, a lobbyist's dream who'll do anything, say anything, marry anyone to get some sort of control. She has NO PRINCIPLES. Read Counterpunch's articles on her career for the full picture. Hillary is RIGHT-WING, she always has been.
Jan. 5, 2008, 8:04 a.m. CST
The JOKE is that 'Left-wing' in the USA
by Sepulchrave
is Central-Right everywhere else in the world. You have no left-wing. That's why your children are shrinking from malnutrition; the only kids in the developed world who are doing so.
Jan. 5, 2008, 9:05 a.m. CST
give em hell sepulchrave
by pipergates
maybe they'll wake up one day
Jan. 5, 2008, 10:35 a.m. CST
Your right Sepulchrave
by ViktorBC
That's why places like France and Germany are now socialist nations with bigger problems than the US right now and really crappy economies. Good example! By the way Bush haters: You sound just like the people that said what Roosevelt did to the Nazis was worse than anything they did to us! History does repeat itself! Iraq is better off and Afghanistan will be the hot vacation spot to go to in 5 years.
Jan. 5, 2008, 2:41 p.m. CST
by BringingSexyBack
Outside of John Edwards, no Presidential candidate interests me. I may go the Ron Paul route ... I have to research him a bit. But if Gore / Hagel jumped in the race the day before election day, they'd get my vote. Easy.
Jan. 5, 2008, 3:10 p.m. CST
Minor Leagues
by Prefect Maximus
Is the first part gonna be about Castor trying to make a Major League Baseball team ans injecting steroids in his body??? Hahahahahahahah!!!!!!
Jan. 5, 2008, 3:11 p.m. CST
by Prefect Maximus
Spelled Castro wrong.
Jan. 5, 2008, 3:11 p.m. CST
by Prossor
now that was an overrated piece of shit if i ever saw one. shitty Reagonomics opened the door to corporations, star wars was a great money-wasting fantasy, the influx of homeless could take their dirty hats off to his great healtcare programs, and of course he defeated the USSR be surprise attacking them in Grenada.
Jan. 5, 2008, 3:15 p.m. CST
"Iraq is better ofF" thanx to Bush?!! Thats the most ignorant...
by pipergates
How many civillians have been killed since the invasion? Saddam was a butcher but a selective butcher. He kept the country in some kind of order. Now its in ruins. It's become a shooting gallery for fanatics and is in barely contained civil war, you fool. And Afghanistan will be a vacation-spot only for mercenaries, extreme thrill seekers and lunatics.
Jan. 5, 2008, 3:57 p.m. CST
pipergates and Prossor you're wrong
by ViktorBC
Stop reading the New York Times. Hussein killed more of his own people by several fold more than were accidentally killed by Americans. He was a genocidal maniac. Currently the coutry of Iraq is in a process of repare if you been payong attention to recent reports from the AP. Attacks are happening less and less every day. Unlike yourself I actually keep track of global news not anti-American hyperbol. By the way, Reagan knew economics and how the world works better than anyone. He knew the Star Wars program didn't work and couldn't work during his adminstration. Recently released documents reveal that it was a plan to scare and ultimately bankrupt the Soviet Union. Guess what? It worked! We spent quite a bit on Star Wars, but the Russians spent many times more on upgrading their outdated military to compensate for the US threat from space. No more COLD WAR. By the way again... Reagan based his "Reganonics" programs on economics policies started by JFK. Kennedy was a huge tax cuts guy! You guys are pretty smart you just have a one sided view of reality. Seriously.
Jan. 5, 2008, 4:15 p.m. CST
Soderbergh's CHE "epic" POS....
by shagdrum
Brought to you by capitalism
Jan. 5, 2008, 4:32 p.m. CST
Prossor and pipergates
by shagdrum
That was hilarious... some of the most ignorant crap I have ever read! Please post more, I love seeing people making fools of themselves! HA!
Jan. 5, 2008, 5:07 p.m. CST
Hey Harry...
by DocPazuzu
....FREE MR. NICE GAIUS!!
 He hasn't been banned yet AICN won't let him back in. What gives?
Jan. 5, 2008, 5:13 p.m. CST
No more Mr. Nice Gaius?
by shagdrum
Say it ain't so...
Jan. 5, 2008, 5:15 p.m. CST
Not if we can help it, shagdrum!
by DocPazuzu
Spread the word!!
 FREE MR. NICE GAIUS!!
Jan. 5, 2008, 5:42 p.m. CST
Left and Right alike crapping brimstone!
by Jesus of Suburbia
As soon as I saw the headline, I knew the Talkback would devolve in this way. People condemn Che for supporting a brutal dictatorship that torments its people, forgetting that what he helped supplant was a brutal dictatorship that tormented its people WITH AMERICA'S BLESSINGS AND MONEY! I wonder who will respond in an outraged-blind fury at that?
Jan. 5, 2008, 5:44 p.m. CST
I can't believe how many ignorant hicks post here.
by jmyoung666
Jan. 5, 2008, 6:43 p.m. CST
What did Gaius do?
by seppukudkurosawa
You know, other than use every talkback as an excuse to pick his fellow talkbackers to pieces, rather than comment on the subject at hand?
Jan. 5, 2008, 7:18 p.m. CST
I just had to work in the quote...
by shagdrum
from where the "Mr. Nice Gaius" name came from. What is the issue with that?
Jan. 5, 2008, 7:25 p.m. CST
Jesus of suberbia...
by shagdrum
You are outraged that we chose the lesser evil? Get a clue when it comes to foreign policy. We allied with the USSR in WW2 and Iraq in the early 1980's. You can't expect us to only ally with perfect and pure foreign powers; we would have no allies. Look past your idealism
Jan. 6, 2008, 12:04 a.m. CST
Will there be a scene where Castro falls down flat on his face?
by MrMysteryGuest
That oughtta be a laugh riot!
Jan. 6, 2008, 8:18 p.m. CST
ebonic_plague, re: "GOOD DAY, SIR!"
by Immortal_Fish
O&A much? At least you have decent taste.
FWIW, I mentioned Nugent and Miller, WHILE EXPLAINING how they would be used against me. As explained for reasons IN THE SAME POST you replied to, they are the only ones that you were intent to focus on. Again, thanks for making the case for me. There are many more conservatives in the entertainment industry. Why should I bore everyone reading this with facts that can easily be googled? Why? Because it is so much more easy FOR YOU to divert the subject to a tangential. You are such the textbook definitive liberal. All high and mighty. Ready to claim victory.
Even here you are diverting the topic from where it originally was focused. Why talk about anything that ultimatley matters when we can instead blather about how many conservatives there are in the entertainment industry as well as how many tickets can be sold at the local fair they may figuratively be featered at.
You quibble about your own subjective skills of Miller and Nugent. Meanwhile, my son is a skilled carpenter, non-unioned, and can't find a job because of the illegal infiltratiuon. And you seek solace in a trial lawyer, or a WalMart board member, or an islamic school child?
...?
At least I can lay my head to rest easily each night. Yeah, even with the incredible huck.
Jan. 7, 2008, 9:05 p.m. CST
There is a Left Wing In the US
by kevinwillis.net
The only have political power in certain urban areas and and in the judiciary. The major political candidates aren't radical lefties, as such--most are classical liberals or populists (though hardly center right). But who cares, this is a fucking movie sight.

Obama will be our next president. Mark my words.
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