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Montreal, QC (Sports Network) - Lars Eller scored the winner in the shootout as the Montreal Canadiens edged the Ottawa Senators, 4-3, on Wednesday.
In the third round, Eller faked to the backhand before snapping in a forehand past Robin Lehner and Carey Price upheld the win by stopping Kyle Turris' wrister.
"It felt good to make a difference in the end," said Eller. "We got two points which is what we wanted and got. I feel pretty good, but it's not hard to when your team is winning."
P.K. Subban had a goal and an assist while Brendan Gallagher and Eller also scored for the Canadiens, who have won four straight. Price finished the game with 29 saves.
Daniel Alfredsson, Patrick Wiercioch and Mika Zibanejad all scored for the Senators, who have lost six of their last seven. Lehner stopped 42 shots in defeat.
"We got a point and against a first-place team that's not bad," said Alfredsson. "We took both Boston and Montreal to shootouts so we're pretty pleased with that aspect. Lehner kept us in this game the whole night."
Montreal scored 7:02 in as Gabriel Dumont's wraparound from the left side was topped but Eller was there to shove home the rebound, but Ottawa tied it 3 1/2 minutes later on the power play as Zibanejad's wrister from the inside left circle fooled Price.
The Habs scored a pair of power-play goals in the second with the first coming off a Gallagher re-direct of a Max Pacioretty shot at the 6:40 mark, and the next one coming with 2:49 to play in the frame as Subban's big blast from the high slot sailed in.
Ottawa, though, got one back with a power-play goal of its own as Alfredsson's shot from the left circle bounced off the back post with under two seconds to play. It was initially not ruled a goal, but the review said otherwise and it was a 3-2 game going into the third period.
The Senators tied the game 1:50 into the third period as Wiercioch faked a shot from the right wing, cut over to the middle and beat Price through the five-hole for his third goal.
Montreal plays in New Jersey on Saturday ... Ottawa plays in Buffalo on
Saturday ... Each team won twice in the season series, with the home team
taking every game ... Ottawa was 2-for-3 on the power play while Montreal was
Texas Tech football coach Kliff Kingsbury got an extension and a raise on the eve of his third season.
Kevin Harvick grabbed the pole for Sunday night's Oral-B USA 500 at Atlanta Motor Speedway, while his teammate and team co-owner, Tony Stewart, qualified 12th in his return to racing.
The Tampa Bay Buccaneers released veteran kicker Connor Barth on Friday.
Baltimore Orioles first baseman Steve Pearce left Friday's night's game against Minnesota with a right abdominal strain.
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The Edmonton Oilers and defenseman Justin Schultz have agreed to a one-year contract.


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Last Post on August 26, 2014
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Organ Replacement
@ August 26, 2014 10:24 AM in Steam versus Hot AirAfter a few years when the coffers are again restored, the organ will likely be on its last gasp. With the mentality of your current board, they will likely choose to replace the magnificent pipe organ with a digital replacement. (shudder) Such is the nature of those in control of the checking account who make decisions on matters they don't understand.
Jamie, I'd love to hear you play! My favorite is Vierne's First Symphony, Finale. Took lessons for a few years off and on, it was never even near my limited ability.
Moline System in Moline, Illinois
@ August 19, 2014 2:48 PM in Moline System in Moline, IllinoisMy friend who posts under "Boiler Wrestler" sent me a picture of a job he is working on in Moline, IL. It just happens to be an old Moline System and still has the ejector and condensing loop. We don't see that too often, even around the Quad Cities
Here is a picture the excellent install with 3" risers, drop header on a Weil-McLain EG55. Should make some real dry steam for that system.
And as usual, BW's excellent work is like a pretty painting.
Waterbury Des Moines
@ July 5, 2014 8:24 PM in Two pipe: concerned about one radiatorHowdy! The mental image of Waterbury Rd came into my mind when answering this thread, but didn't give it a second thought. Turns out that IS where you are. There is quire a bit of old steam in Des Moines but I really don't know who the qualified contractors are. So many opportunities to get it wrong with steam. Spent a year in DSM in 1976 then came back again in 1999 to direct work and operations at Terrace Hill. Had a background in high pressure institutional steam. Several years ago we bought a place in DAvenport with a 2-pipe vapor system and found out that everything I knew from pressure steam did not apply. Quite an animal to get your head around but very interesting and rewarding when you do. Our system had every band aid you could imagine and no correct repairs for the last 40 years. Finally got it working like a charm.
Let me know if there is any way I can help.
Another just like it
@ July 5, 2014 10:19 AM in Two pipe: concerned about one radiatorHere is another one.
While the photo does not make it completely clear, the section are NOT joined at the top. It is a steam only radiator. It has been moved from its original location, but the piping configuration is consistent with the whole house. A few have connections across the top but most do not. All have the supplies at the bottom and the outlet traps at the bottom.
Should work
@ July 4, 2014 11:47 AM in Two pipe: concerned about one radiatorI have a few radiators just like this in my 1910 2-pipe system. In proper practice, the outlet bushing that the trap nipple is threaded into should be an eccentric bushing. That is, the 1/2" opening as all the way down inline with the bottom of the radiator passageway. Usually, the inlet is also bushed, and if so, with a regular bushing, thus putting the inlet at a very slightly higher plane than the outlet.
I have one in the system that had a regular bushing on the outlet and so it actually only worked as a vent. Condensate flowed back out the inlet valve. It operated silently. However, I have since installed orifice plates on the inlets and that has raised the effective level of the inlet and so condensate now flows the proper direction. The plates were installed for another reason altogether.
This arrangement may cause the trap to momentarily close early, before the radiator is entirely heated, but it will reopen if condensate is present and the radiator should heat without issues.
If you do not have a eccentric bushing on the outlet, one way to compensate for that is to install the trap remotely as you have shown. If you do that, you should remove the bushing from the outlet of the radiator. The pipe it up with a short nipple, sized to match the full size of the radiator opening. Onto this nipple, use an adapter nipple, 1 1/2" (full size) x 1/2" . Then continue the piping to the trap located below the floor. This arrangement will allow the condensate in the bottom of the radiator to flow out of the outlet with no impediment. Make sure that you don't create any water seals in your piping because that will prevent venting.
I suspect that most of your hammering is coming from other faulty traps. What kind to you have. Some repair parts are easier to find than others.
Surge Chamber
@ May 29, 2014 8:37 PM in Boylston deviceit is a surge chamber. If you zoom in on the photo, you will see the PRV valve in the distance. The small pipe that exits the bottom of the surge chamber is connected to the control head of the PRV valve.
The Boylston valve is directly controlled by the pressure downstreem of the valve. However, the diaphragm in the PRV control head is a very heavy fiber rubber material. It is durable, but is not supposed to be directly exposed to steam. So, trapped air and/or condensate is the medium that operates the diaphragm in balance against two springs.
Often, the surger chamber is installed directly on top of the valve when installed in an upright position. In the picture, the PRV in the distance in installed upside down. Since the steam operating line will become filled with condensate, except for trapped air at the valve diaphragm, the surge chamber will fill with condensate and will be able to provide a reservoir of fluid necessary for the proper operation of the PRV through its control range without allowing steam into the control piping.
Fisher Controls
@ May 27, 2014 10:24 AM in Steam PRV StationFisher Controls make some excellent products. Check out the website, it has some good information that might help you. http://www2.emersonprocess.com/en-us/brands/fisherregulators/steam/pressurereducing/multi-purpose/92b/pages/92b.aspx
Back in my day as facilities mgr at a hospital facility, we had several PRV stations to reduce the boiler pressure (70 psi) to space heating pressure, 10 psi. The high pressure was necessary to operate sterilizers and a few other pieces of equipment.
There were three building sections that were fed steam at lower pressures. Two of these areas utilized a 2 valve parallel flow Fisher Pressure reducing valves. They were set up as 1/3 -2/3 capacity and when finely adjusted would maintain a downstream pressure within 0.5 psi of the 1 psi set point. The valves were not new when I arrived and functioned perfectly during my 17 years on the job, without any failure or difficulty.
There was also a building that had a Boyleston brand PRV. It was a one stage valve and while it funciton satifactorily, it was prone to drift of 1-2 psi. In our case it did not cause a problem, providing steam for coils in air handlers as well as a few unit heaters. There also was a smaller Boyleston PRV that provided 25 psi steam to the kitchen for steam kettles, steam ovens, etc.
My experience in our midwest area, you can't beat Fisher Control.
Technically Speaking....
@ May 16, 2014 6:42 PM in Steam to Hot waterIt actually is possible to convert a good tight steam system to hot water. I have seen several done, and of those, they were not done well, didn't work well, didn't save any money, and cost a LOT to do the conversion.
I have heard of some conversions that actually worked out well, so it's not to say that it can't be done. But, the conversion that was very successful, the work was done by one of the best steam contractors around there. They didn't design it or recommend it, an engineer did that. (they don't teach steam anymore in engineering school) But, through the craftsmanship of the contractor, the thing actually worked.
Feed Tankitis
@ May 16, 2014 6:34 PM in Replacing existing steam system- hoping t get some opinions and adviceYou see a lot of feed tanks installed for multiple reasons.
1. Many contractors don't understand gravity return, the think in terms of 2 psi and the water won't go back into the boiler.
2. Low water content on some boilers combined with large systems in large building sometimes cause a delay in condensate returning to the boiler. A feed tank rectifies that problem by keeping the boiler water at the right level. Your little residential system would not have that problem unless you got clogged up return pipes, in which they need to be cleaned out anyway.
3. Adding in a feed tank raises the price and profit of the install. They will have a markup on the tank, and they make a profit margin an the labor as well. Little motivation to sell you less when they can sell you more. Let's see.... we could propose a feed tank or a vaporstat. (you gotta have one or the other). Let's propose the feed tank at about 10 times the cost.
4. Most of all, contractors tend to do things they way they have done in the past. We are all creatures of habit. So easy to do some thing that you've done before and so hard to do anything for the first time. This could be an opportunity for your contractor to learn a new trick!
JStar's suggestion for a 2-stage set up is very wise advice. It will make the system run very smooth. I also strongly recommend that.
Pipe Size is the Problem
@ May 16, 2014 6:16 PM in Sunrad Radiator - Loud banging problemPretty sure that it is the supply pipe that is causing the problem. When steam is first going into a cold radiator, there is a huge amount of condensate flowing back out, and the steam and condensate will hammer up a storm if they cant get past each other.
Here are the size ratings from TLAOSH
1" inlet 20 EDR Max
1.25" 55 EDR Max
1.5" 81 EDR Max
2" 165 EDR Max
As you can see, there is no size where 3/4 pipe is specified. It's just too small for 1-pipe steam.
Also, the air vent on the rad should be no higher than the middle of the rad. Yours is in a port that is intended for hot water use. Those screw plugs a little more than have way down are where the steam vent goes. And, the vent should be on the opposite end as the steam inlet.
Pneumatic control is simple
@ May 15, 2014 10:39 AM in Pneumatic controlled univentBack in 1981 I was responsible for a building with about 32 uni-vents. One section of the building was on hot water and the 1960 part of the building ran on steam. Night set back consisted of turning off fans and outdoor air only. This was accomplished by a series of pneumatic switches located in the boiler room that applied control air (20 psi) to pressure switches located in the vicinity of the group of uni-vents being controlled. When pressure was applied, it activated a normally open switch, which in turn powered a normally closed contactor, to disconnect the power supply to the uni-vent fans.
Individual Uni-vent control was consistent to the schematic I have attached. This is a very typical setup for steam uni-vents. One of the most complicated, yet usually very reliable components is the damper actuator, which usually is designed to operated in two stages. With control pressures less than 4 Psi, the dampers are closed. In the range of 4-8 psi, the damper is in the normal minimum position to deliver the required amount of fresh air to the space. In the range of 9-13 psi, the dampers will index open to provide cooling with up to 100% outdoor air. The steam valve operates in the control range of 4-8 psi, with 4 being open and 8 being closed.
So, in a condition where the room temperature is well below the set point, say during a warm-up period, the thermostat might be sending out a pressure less than 4 psi. At this point, the dampers would be closed and the steam valve 100% open. As the room temperature rises, the thermostat output will also rise. AS the thermostat reaches a 4 psi output, the dampers will open to the minimum position, and the uni-vent will continue to heat, as the steam valve is 100% open. As the room temperature continues to approach the set point, the thermostat output will decrease, causing the steam valve to modulate toward the closed position. The thermostat and uni-vent will modulate to a point where the output temperature from the uni-vent is sufficient to maintain the room temperature at the set point of the thermostat. Now, if room conditions change, say the room has been empty and now 30 hot sweaty kids return from recess, this will have an effect on the room. As the room warms up, the thermostat will increase it's output signal causing the steam valve to index closed. If the room temperature continues to increase, the increase in thermostat output signal will cause the fresh air dampers to index open. If it is cold outside, the low limit thermostat, located in the output air stream of the uni-vent, will cause the steam valve to index open to a position to maintain an output temperature of no less than 60F.
It should also be noted that there is always an interlock device, usually a 2 position solenoid valve wired into the fan circuit. When there is no power being supplied to the fan, air connection to the air damper is cut off, causing he Outdoor air dampers to remain closed. As is always the case in pneumatic controls, lost of control air will cause the system and all components to go into full heat mode.
ASHRAE Handbook
@ April 19, 2014 11:42 PM in Steam Radiators???Here is a handy table. Look on table 5, it will give you what you're looking for.
An Opportunity
@ April 16, 2014 11:57 AM in lowering steam pressure in a industrial buildingThis is not a simple situation but it sounds like there would certainly be an opportunity for huge savings and your engineer is wise to want to proceed with a plan to reduce the building pressure.
You used to require high pressure steam not only because the load was higher, but because much of the power or process equipment required that pressure to operate. You no longer have that requirement. You only have the heating load which has been described to be 12 psi. While most system can operate on pressure as low as 2 psi, others are designed at 5 psi or 10 psi. Control valve sizing, steam/air coil sizing, etc., may have all been calculated at the 10-12 psi range, so keeping that pressure may be necessary if that is the case. Also, may buildings with higher pressure systems (5 psi) have condensate lines that rise above the steam device, and therefore need enough pressure to accomplish that lift.
The critical factors for this project would be to calculate the full steam load of the building heat load and line losses in the building. Then, it should be a simple calculation to determine the capacity of the steam main, operating at 12 psi. Can it deliver the needed quantity of steam. There will likely be a little line loss under full load conditions, but I would guess that 1-2 psi loss between the boiler and the building being heated would not present a problem. 10 Psi will probably work just fine.
As for your feed pumps, you indeed bring up an important issue. Those pumps are designed to push feed water from a tank at atmospheric pressure into a boiler at 90 psi. If the pressure is dropped to 12 psi, they will operate much differently. They will pump water much faster. While the operation will probably be no longer on the performance curve, it will be above the curve not below. Cavitation tends to be a greater problem either at high temperatures or at very high heads where the pump is barely able to move the water. You will have the opposite condition. However, if the pumps in use are still being manufactured, it might be worth getting a manufacturer's rep to run the proposed operation of the pumps by the engineers in their home office and see whether a problem would be anticipated.
Good luck as this moves forward.
Expected Operation
@ April 16, 2014 11:24 AM in Am I venting my mains too fast?With the combination of Main and Radiator vents that you have on your system, One would expect the steam to reach the end of the short main quickly, at which time it will close. Steam will continue flowing down the long main and will actually speed up when the short main is heated. Before the steam gets to the end of the long main, flow into the radiators should be minimal. After the steam has reached the end of the long main, those vents will close, causing a slight increase in pressure, at which time flow into the radiators should be begin. For the most part, the flow into the radiators would be expected to be fairly even. THIS is what would be expected, bit obviously, its NOT what you're experiencing.
You indicate that you hear swishing in the long main. That is an indication of a huge problem. Water in the main will prevent steam from passing and when it does whoosh through, much of the steam will be condensed by the water. It would be similar to having a gate valve in the pipe and having is mostly closed. The system just cannot work correctly with water in that main.
You indicate that the boiler is over-sized, yet you do not mention that it short cycles. Does it? I am also unclear in your description of 5 minutes for the short main and 30 minutes for the long one. Is that the amount of time it takes for the steam to get to the end of the main, or the time it takes for the radiators to be fully hot?
You probably should also check the firing rate of the boiler. Many times, for various reasons, they do not fire at the rate on the rating plate. Make sure everything else that burns gas in your house is NOT running, operate the boiler, and count the usage in a minute by watching the needle on the meter that turns the fastest. The dial will tell you how many cubic feet of gas pass per revolution.
Also, I'm wondering how often your boiler cycles. Once per hour? More often? Less often? When the boiler starts a new cycle, how hot is that long main? Do you have a way to measure its temperature? Or, perhaps the air coming out of the main?
Reason being, while Gorton #2 main vents are incredibly fast when they're cold, the begin to close in the 130-140 range. If the air coming through them is 150 or above, you can be sure that they are completely closed. In my system, cycling once per hour, the mains with 1" insulation on them, even on cold rooms, never cool down to below 150 degrees F. So, in one of the trial setups in my system, I found the Gortons just didn't do the job the were supposed to, except on a cold start.
You could just save the old burner
@ April 16, 2014 10:16 AM in Is my steam boiler way oversized?I operated a pair of large dual fuel boilers 25 years ago. At that time, the dual fuel option was not set up properly and I set out to make corrections and set it up so that the firing fuel could be changed with the flick of a switch, the way it was supposed to be. At that same time, we changed from firm service gas to interrupt-able, which saved 25,000 a year. These boilers were 238 HP Kewanee Scotch marine type, firing at around 9 Million BTU on high fire.
Set up and adjustment was a pretty complicated process as the the burners were fully modulating, not a simple hi-low operation. The first step required getting the oil firing correctly adjusted at hi fire, then at the low end of the modulating range. Second step was to adjust the air shutter linkage to provide the correct mixture of air through the full range of oil firing. The third step was to switch to gas and then adjust the gas firing rate to match the air shutter so that proper mixture was obtained all through the firing range.
While it does not sound too complicated, the process required a considerable amount of time. But, once it was done, fuel switching merely required a few steps to the boiler, turning the boiler off, turning the selector switch to the desired fuel, and turning the operating switch back to "on".
In your case, a dual fuel burner might be unnecessarily complicated and expensive. You could just save the old burner and of fuel oil prices ever get lower than natural gas, (not likely), you could simply install the old burner and you probably could change the nozzle and make it fire at the lower rate you need.
As for the option of 1 stage or 2 stage, I would opt for 2-stage, but there will definitely be a price difference. 2-stage firing would provide a benefit if your load varies from time to time because of some of the radiators being turned off and at other times, all of them being turned on. Also, if you frequently fire the system long enough to fully heat the radiators, this will cause the boiler to cycle off and on. This can be minimized in single stage firing by having a low pickup factor. But, if you do this, you will need to make sure that your main venting is good and fast and your radiator venting is slow, for example, no faster than a Hoffman #40. This arrangement will make your system slow to heat up, but it should be even and in most cases, on off cycling when fully heated will be minimized and may not occur at all.
Gas pipe size: You probably need 1 1/4" if running house pressure from the meter. 1" is too small.
When we bought our building, the boiler was a 1,050,000 BTU firing rate. We are on low pressure and there is a 2" main coming in from the street. The meter is a 2" meter, but the piping reduces to 1 1/2 to the boiler which is about 40 ft away. This piping was actually a little under sized. In addition to the 2" meter, there are 9 more meters connected to the incoming main, most are for kitchen stoves by 2 of them have forced air furnaces on them. It all works just fine and the pressures are adequate to deliver the required amount of gas.
@ April 16, 2014 9:43 AM in Skimmer valve failed!?My 1 1/4" Apollo is just fine.
Dunahm Air Eliminator replacement available
@ April 16, 2014 9:39 AM in Dunahm Air Eliminator replacement availableI found a substitute for the Dunham Air Eliminator and wanted to post the information for all to see. Of course, it would also work for any system that used a float type air eliminator on the return piping of a 2-pipe vapor system, such as ARCO, etc.
The device is made by Spirax-Sarco, and is intended for use in hydronic systems to let air out of places where it might be trapped, but then closes via the float valve when water is present.
I do not know the diameter for the valve port passage and if it is too small, it might not provide for enough venting. However, if operated in vacuum by adding a swing check valve, venting becomes less of a concern.
Dunham Traps on Vacuum
@ April 16, 2014 8:46 AM in Replacement Dunham trapsNicholas, you have touched on a subject that mystified me for quiet some time. Does a thermostatic trap operate properly on vacuum and if so, how the heck does it do it?
First, your observations that the early Dunham systems did not use the 1E trap for crossover. That is correct, they used the the Dunham Air Line Valve. That device was actually a small version of a 1E type trap and the same thing as a paul type trap. In addition of it being used as a crossover trap at the end of steam mains, it was used on vacuum one-pipe systems as a retrofit, just like Paul systems. I supposed it worked fine because often in coal fired systems, steam was slow to build. Whatever the case, my guess is that Dunham discovered that they had a real big problem with unbalanced distribution, especially on partial steaming cycles. Thus, they started using "balancing plates" or orifices to even out and regulate the steam at the entry point of the radiators. They still used traps so the orifice openings must have been larger than they would be on an truly orificed system. About the same time, according to my reference books, they stopped using the air line valve as a crossover trap and instead started using the 1E. Of course, a 2E would be even faster.
VACUUM ? If you look at the cap on a 1E trap, you will see that it is rated from 25" vacuum to 10 psi steam, actually some early Dunham 1E traps are marked to 25 psi steam. How does it work? That steam at 25" vacuum is not very hot at all!
It took a long time for me to wrap my head around it, but eventually found an explanation somewhere in one of the Dunham books, or at least I think that is where I found it. Here it is. You have to realize that the thermal disc in the dunham trap is flexible, somewhat like a balloon. When the temp of the disc is hot enough, around 180 or 190 at atmospheric pressure, the alcohol will vaporize, causing an increase in pressure inside the disc, therefor expanding the disc and closing the trap. Now, if the the system pressure is 10" Hg vacuum, the flexible capsule will expanded because of the low ambient pressure, transferring the forces of the vacuum to the contents of the disc as well, and lowering the flash point of the alcohol inside the disc. Thus, the closing temperature of the trap adjusts according to the surrounding pressure/vacuum so that the closing temperature is lower than the actual temperature of the steam at that same temperature.
Nicholas, I forget about the detail of the Dunham system you're working on. Does it have an air eliminator? a return trap? any other original boiler room apparatus, such as a differential controller, etc?
@ April 11, 2014 5:11 PM in Radiator air vent preference?Here is a diagram of the Hoffman #40
Here is a view of the insides of the Gorton
Note: They both have a float. The Hoffman closes suddenly when steam is present in the vent. The Gorton closes more slowly but at much cooler temperatures, generally as stem is getting close the vent, the last air coming out of the radiator is probably warm enough to close the vent.
My Favorite is...
@ April 11, 2014 1:32 PM in Radiator air vent preference?I prefer the Hoffman #40 because they are nice and slow and because of that, tend to help a system heat up smoothly with balanced steam distribution.
The varivalves are just way too fast and don't have any provision for dealing with condensation in the valve body. As Chris said, the Hoffman 1A adjustment mechanism is so poorly designed it is difficult to get any kind of adjustment set correctly, and on many system, they perform the best if their set as close as possible to the rating of a #40.
I have observed that most systems, if piped properly in the first place, the radiators will heat up proportionately with #40 vents. That is, both small and large radiators will heat the same percentage on a partial steam cycle, even though they are using the same sized vent.
For What it's Worth
@ April 11, 2014 1:23 PM in Is my steam boiler way oversized?Just wanted to let you know that I have an oversized boiler similar to yours, except mine is a Weil-McLain 680. I really only needed a 580, which will allow for future restoration of parts of the steam system that are not currently connected. Because I wanted a 2 stage burner, and WM had only approved a 2-stage burner on a 680 and larger, that is what I ended up with. At the present time, it is firing on Low Fire, a little less that 50% of its full rating. It works great! 82-83% efficiency and 34% less than my old gas boiler.
As a general rule of thumb, most power burner boilers can fire at 50% with little loss in efficiency and sometimes, actually more efficient that firing at 100% of capacity.
As second benefit, it doesn't work the boiler near as hard and you'll probably find that it will have a longer life as a result.
If it were my boiler, I'd convert to gas and tune the thing at 50% of it's full rating ASAP. I would not bother taking sections out, it's too much bother and cost (new jacket panels) and not really necessary.
My Experience
@ March 25, 2014 5:56 PM in Vaporstat sticking / biasing after vacuumI have two vaporstats on my system. One is an old style and the other is a new type. The vaporstats are subjected to pressure occasionally as high as 14 oz and vacuum as high as 9" Hg. It has not had any effect on either device.

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Hi All! I've been lurking here since April when I went in search of more Adam information (he had me at "Mama"!). I've thoroughly enjoyed the people and comments here and thank everyone for the (way too many) hours of entertainment with my new hobby.
My background '" I am a 40 something, married, professional who has watched all the seasons of Idol but never attended a concert. I talked a friend into going to the show at the last minute (I'm also going to Grand Rapids so this was a bonus show). We bought tickets at 2:00 on the day of the show and got second row tickets in the "pod" to the right of the stage. If you're still looking for tickets, I highly recommend that side of the stadium as the performers do seem to favor that side (the right of the stage from the audience perspective). My friend is not as into Idol as I am so I'll include some of her fresh perspective too.
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- An older crowd than I expected, probably 30′s and up. Not nearly as many screaming teens as I thought '" we didn't even use the ear plugs we brought.
- Not many people dressed in contestant colors. I only saw one woman covered in glitter.
- Our section was standing and dancing from the minute Sarver started.
- Considering how close we were, I expected more eye contact from the performers. We got a little of that from Adam and Matt but everyone else wanted to look over our heads.
- No helium effect for either of us
Since I'm a finance person, I'm going to rate each person on dollar signs. This is not how well they will do in the future or how much money I think they will make, just how much of my money I'd personally be willing to spend on them (a $ to $$$$$ scale).
Michael '" He did a great job opening the show. He was a better singer and better-looking in person than I expected. My friend agreed. My rating – $ (just not my style)
Megan '" Megan's son was at the show and she was completely focused on him during her performances. I thought she struggled to hit some of her notes. My friend said that she seemed like she didn't even want to be there. I loved her shoes though '" they have rhinestones down the heel which I haven't seen mentioned yet. She had the afro hair and the fro-hawk during the group song. My rating – $$ (only if she does something closer to her auditions when I liked her a lot)
Scott '" Great performance but he didn't hold my attention during his set. His jokes weren't as bad as I thought considering I had heard about them already. I did like his jacket! My rating – $$ (I do like Billy Joel, so he could eventually win me over)
Anoop '" Good performer but his first two songs were too slow and, again, I lost interest. Purple shoes tonight and he looked very thin in person. My rating – $$
Lil '" Her singing and dancing were definitely entertaining. I loved her bling, especially the shoes which I saw someone tweeted about last night too. My rating – $ (why not just buy Mary J or Beyonce)
Matt '" I wasn't as impressed with Matt as others have been, but that could be that my expectations were set too high. He's extremely talented and I really enjoyed watching him play the piano (I couldn't see Scott from where I sat so can't compare that aspect). He did have some great energy and the crowd was into him. The girls in front of me held up a sign asking him to marry them. He saw it and smiled at them! My rating – $$$
Allison '" She rocked tonight! She looked great and sounded awesome, even if I couldn't always understand her. I saw a comment about her hair but there is still pink and purple in her there. My friend thought she was great too. My rating – $$$$ (may not see her in concert again but will buy some songs)
Danny '" He was much better than I thought he'd be. His speaking voice sounded scratchy, so I was concerned he may be sick, but I think that is his normal voice. He looked great too, also thinner in person. As a non-churchgoer, I was dreading the preaching but that wasn't bad either. It was short and heart-felt. Someone threw a stuffed, red heart on stage and he picked it up and thanked them. My rating – $$$ (but lower if he stays country)
Adam '" WOW!! Whatever vocal issues Adam may have had, they are gone! He sounded great and went for all the high notes and crazy runs (check out how he sings "flower" during Let's Dance; don't know if that's new). He had emo hair (didn't see the blue or green anymore) and sang "woman" (both my favorites)! I loved the jacket even more in person. My friend had a raised eyebrow or two at his dancing '" but not in a bad way! He came in front of us at least three times. I really wanted to see his eyes. The first time his hair was in his eyes but the second time I got a better look and they are gorgeous. There was a beach ball during SL which some commented was silly but when Allison hit it (it came to her first and she hit it with her hand), Adam thought that was really funny (see Mindchnger's video around 1:18). He kicked it when it came back again. I saw the boa which Adam just picked up and threw back, no playing with it. My friend really liked him too and promised she would go with me to his solo concert! One more convert' ¦ My rating '" $$$$$ (I'll probably spend way too much on the Adam Lambert Pretty House Fund mentioned recently here)
P.S. I just want to thank Mindchnger for the AMAZING videos of Adam!
Kris '" He is adorable and very talented. I really like his version of Heartless, especially since I don't like Kanye and like that Kris did that song better than he did IMO. I didn't mind the curtain while it was up, but it was only for two songs and then it just dropped. Since it was right in front of us, it was very distracting watching them pull it off the stage. My rating – $$$ (I like Kris, he's just not my style of music)
Overall, my friend and I really enjoyed everyone and agree it was worth the splurge to go. Unfortunately, even with a decent camera and a great vantage point, I don't have pictures worth sharing (although the constant fog/haze in the arena didn't help, yeah, it's the fog's fault, not mine). I was trying to be in the moment and not live through a camera lens, so didn't take many photos to start and it's disappointing they didn't turn out well. If I learn how to use a camera by Sunday, I'll post some photos after that concert.
Great recap – I love Adam too!
and I agree – thank you Mindchnger for the vids!
Great quality and early in the AM so I could view prior to coming into work – yes I was on the the Blog at 6:00 PST – oh yeah and I'm at work right now reading more recaps! – What's work again?
Anyway – great observations!
thanks 4 the review. u are generous since u are willingly to spend $ on all of them . also lol at people who were actually at the concert who can't wait to get back and watch the utube videos as well with the rest of us. it's like even after seeing it live u still can't get enough.
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Yay for the positive Allison (and Adam, of course) review! (lately Allison has not been receiving much love from reviewers…)
Adam = CHA CHING!
Always on the money ;p
Thank you for the recap
SEE YOU SUNDAY! I can't wait!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
yay for the adam/allison love..
roque, allison has been getting a lot of love…well better then what Kris and the others are getting
Thanks for sharing your recap. Some interesting comments, (like regarding eye contact from the performers), and I'm glad that there was no helium effect, and that Bandzilla behaved. :)
It sounds like you had a great time, and I look forward to hearing what you think of your second concert this weekend.
Loved your rating system!!!
Good recap, great on scoring the tickets at the last minute and for sharing the love and the up close views. Have fun Sunday!
Great recap,
I was one of those who didn't give Allison a good review. I was really excited to see her in concert but I felt the music was too loud and she was shouting. She also didn't connect much with the audience and wasn't singing all the words to the songs.
I also was pleasantly surprised with Danny. I thought his two Rascal Flatts songs were the best of his set and I can definately see him doing well with cross-over country.
Great re-cap. I was at the Auburn Hills show I will be at the show in Grand Rapids. I am driving over 2 hours to get there and meeting up with some others from this site. I was able to get a 2nd row seat. If you want to meet up with us after the show we can coordinate. ivyrae09 on u-tube.
It is going to great!!!
see, I guess that is where we differ monte, I thought allison had great stage presence and was the only idol to actually work the entire stage..
but, everyone has an opinion :))
Thnx 4 the recap.liked the ratings:)
did like measuring them by dollar signs haha
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Thanks for the recap. Fun read.
Dollar rating makes a lot of sense. This is how 19E would evaluate these kids- return of investment . Those in the higher scale got signed first.
But hey, we made a tally and a total of 36 reservations for Adam's new album were already made by a close circle of friends . Keep the music coming.
This keeps the economy going in a way.
Thanks again Bengals.
Thanks for the recap. I love Adam and had the same reaction to him in concert. Those videos by Mindchnger showed me you guys got a great show!
Hi great recap. lol at the dollar ratings. I'll be contributing plenty to the Adam pretty house fund. You guys are too funny sometimes. More recaps please. Not enough..:(
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That was cute, rating them with $ signs.
Terrific review! Sounds like Adam was in great form. Makes me almost sorry I left Chicago in March. I would have had a job and, therefore, money for the show. Oh well, there's always his solo tour…
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Hi Monte! Allison sometimes seems to spazz out when performing, like she is in a trance – and when that happens, she might not be looking at the audience… she has stated that sometimes she doesn't remember what has happened. Hope she can vary (like Adam) the kind of songs in her debut album, to show her mellow side too – like she did in the show. And hopefully she can regain your love in the future!
Susan M.
Hi Bengal! So glad you came out of lurkdom for this review! Loved it. You sound like you had a shoe-level view. I'm loving all these professional perspectives. We do have a broad little community on this blog. You're very right about not experiencing Adam through a camera lens if you can help it (thanks mindchnger!!).
I too can't wait to contribute to the Adam Lambert Pretty House Fund.
Your recap = $$$$$
Good read Bengal. I, too, delurked late spring to something I've never done before…became a fan!!What a ride. Adam is my reason to entering the strange world of fandom, or JME! I, also, love Allison and glad to hear something positive this week for her. She has mega talent
but I understand she does not sleep well and her exhaustion is showing in her performance and on her face. I don't think there are any 2 day off stops to catch up on sleep and rest the voice. And, of course, her enunciation will improve with braces off!
I love that you have already paid for the pretty driveway to the pretty house.LOL!I will probably $$$$ to all of Kradison and maybe $$$ for Matty G….Egad you two had a fantastic time….MmmmmAdam up close!!!
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I don't think there are any 2 day off stops to catch up on sleep and rest the voice. And, of course, her enunciation will improve with braces off!
I know, poor thing hasn't had a day off in weeks. Every day off she spends it recording. It's the end of the tour, she's exhausted.
Thanks for the recap- but who's mindchanger and where do I see his/her videos??
NO VIDEOS????? or Mad World or Mindchnger??? Please try again!! :0)
Trying again, I'm new to this: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sPN7mjtflLI
Thanks for the recap. I was probably just opposite you on the left pod as you face the stage and thought those seats were great, too. We got lots of up close and personal with most of the performers. For my money, I would take Kris any day of the week. Loved every minute of his set. I enjoyed them all but thought Michael, Anoop, Matt were really good in the first act, some better than I expected, and the entire second act was in a class of its own.
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Warhawk tournament request
As many of you are aware, the WARHAWK community is still thriving with 1000's of HAWK HEADS playing daily. Perhaps some of you still like to get in a battle on occasion. Just yesterday (1/26/13), 92 servers was tallied by a WARHAWK enthusiast . A prime example the game still thrives within the community. As some of you are also aware, I have been active in the community, creating a WARHAWK facebook group ; INTERNATIONAL WARHAWK SOCIETY. A place where members of the community can correspond, sharing with one another their Warhawk experiences, pics/vids ect. A place where WARHAWK Generals are recognized for their achievement at reaching said rank (General) and presented with a certificate which is displayed in the groups gallery.
The 1000's that still play WH daily is testament that the game is still active and the community strong .
I like many others in the community would love to see another WARHAWK TOURNAMENT. Unfortunately many gaming league's /sites that onced catered to such events no longer have any interest in Warhawk;after all its a 5+ year old game.
I considered venturing into creating a Warhawk tournament myself. Realistically that would take a great deal of time ,revenue and resources . During a discussion i had with rizzlaa2007 on the possibilities of said tournament,It was suggested that i run this past a UF staff . I brought the proposal to UF staff member Shane Bell, who agreed to let me address/request my proposal for said tournament. Although nothing has been promised by UF, the decision/possibility would be based on the feedback received from the community. So with that said ...If you're a member of the WARHAWK (or SH) community and would like to see the possibility of another WARHAWK tournament, NOW is the time to be heard; UF is listening.
Thanks to UF staff for the opportunity and consideration in this endeavor
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I'm happy to announce that the tournament has been approved and open ladders will begin on 8/12 - 9/8, with the Champion matches to begin on 9/8. So get your Teams registered and members ready to rumble.
URGENT FURY staff is currently busy with other tournaments and projects, it is ask that the WARHAWK community be considerate of their time and attention needed for said events. It is asked that members take a moment to read through the threads in this topic as many of your questions have already been answered; In some cases more than once. The continued inquiries of questions already answered is only taking time away from staff, thus potentially delaying the tournament start date.
In order to assure the tournament meets up to UF Standards/Moto of "fair play" and "integrity"; UF staff is familiarizing themselves with known glitches in the game WARHAWK.As per UF league rules,the use of glitches will not be tolerated in the tournament. A Topic has been created for community members to share any glitches they may be aware of. http://www.urgentfury.com/showthread...litches-or-Not
So as for now all that is needed is to Register in UF site .Clan leaders need to create a Clan roster and Team. Leaders should also note that members assigned to their team must also be members from their PSN clan.
Quick links to navigate you to the appropriate locations to create your clan/teams can be found attached to my signiture in any post.There is also a thread created to assist in your registration of clan/team http://www.urgentfury.com/showthread...or-a-Clan-Page
Again it is asked you read before you ask
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Re: Warhawk tournament request
I think some of my MWHS WH guys would be interested, and I wouldn't mind playing a few more battles in WH :-)
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SUGA has shown interest in this at their site. I've put word out on Twitter as well.
I think the interest is there. I know when MTshortstuff did the Veterans Revival weekend it was a massive success, I think there were 14 servers up for it and it alone. BUT it took a few weeks to get everyone on board and see the support online.
Wonder what the odds are UF has the stroke to get their hands on the commemorative knife coding? That'd bring in a lot of interest right there.
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Thanks Darth and Baitn .. If you could please ask your members / clan mates who are interested to please register and post their interest in this thread. Same goes for anyone seeing this thread and would like to see this tourney happpen. The more who show an interest ,the better chance we have at this becoming a reality. Posting one's interest in clans sites ,social networks(fb)or any place else but here, isn't showing UF staff that their/we're interested.
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I got some twitting going on. Aimed it at some specific people, some CCX, some not. Even aimed it at Dylan Jobe.
Given the time of day, I figure most of my people are eyeball deep in work. But I'll keep the word out there.
Have you tried the PSU forum? I know its all but dead, but it couldn't hurt.
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A Warhawk tournament is what we have all wanted for a long while and this sounds perfect :) Count MikalGreen in, as for BLZ, I will have to link them :)
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a new warhawk tournament would be awesome so many players want it and it s fair for those who wouldn t take place in the previous one like me i hope this tournament come true we are so many that still playing and love warhawk lets do it!!!!
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Just to let you guys know, you are not going unheard... this is also something that will happen overnight so please be patient while we look into this.Shane Bell
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Re: Warhawk tournament request"The difference between the possible & the impossible lies in a person's determination".
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This is my first post on this site. I've been lurking for a while but I heard something on the radio today that just chapped my butt and I have to write about it.
Am I the only one that gets extremely annoyed by team coaches and players telling the fans and local media to stop all the "bandwagoning" and to start liking a different team if they need to complain about the vikings so much? It just boils my blood.
I don't know about the majority of people on this site, but I am 26 years old and I've been a fan for all 26 years. I was wearing Vikings "onesies" before I was old enough to know better. I was indoctrinated by my family. I had no choice. And I've suffered through misery as a fan that is perhaps only rivaled by the Chicago cubs or Buffalo Bills when it comes to dissapointment. AND I"M STILL A FAN. AND I ALWAYS WILL BE. VIkings fans know what I'm writing about because they swear off the team each and every week but they still watch and cheer the next week. Who is Mike Tice or any other player, for that matter, to tell me how and when I can start to get disgusted.
This team is blessed with so much talent and it has been for a few years now. That does not happen all that often in Viking Fandom. And I think fans around the country realize that FINALLY, they have something that might pay off. They are really upset about how the current situation is panning out. We have EARNED the right to complain about this team's lack of competitive drive. We have EARNED the right to question the franchise players' motives when they take plays off. We have EARNED the right to question our coaches when they make, what seem to be, hairbrain decisions that even Monday morning quarterbacks like myself would shy away from. We have EARNED the right to bitch about an owner that would spend more money landscaping his Texas home, than he would on a team with so much promise. And I don't need to listen to Mike Tice and Chris Hovan when they tell me I'm an idiot, or that I'm "bandwagon" for the thinking this way.
Hovan has been in the lineup for what, 3 years. Tice has been the coach for less than 3 years. Well you know what, I've been cheering relentlessly, with no justification, for over 20. I will ALWAYS cheer for this team... long after Tice, Hovan and McCombs are gone. They are not the fans. WE ARE THE FANS. And our frustration is what they SHOULD hear.
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|2 large ripe mangoes
|2 tsp unflavored gelatin powder
|1/4 cup fresh orange juice
|pinch of salt
|finely grated zest of 1 orange
|1 large egg white
|1/4 cup superfine sugar
|2/3 cup heavy cream
Cut the flesh off both sides of the mango stone. Scoop out the flesh and discard the skin. Set aside 1 piece of mango. Cut the remaining mango, including the flesh clinging to the stone, into chunks. Puree with the orange juice in a food processor. Transfer to a bowl and stir in the orange zest and superfine sugar.
Sprinkle the gelatin over 3 tbsp water in a small heatproof bowl and let stand for 5 minutes until softened. Place the bowl in a saucepan of gently simmering water and stir until the gelatin has completely dissolved. Cool slightly, then stir into the mango puree.
Whip the egg white and salt in a large, clean bowl until stiff peaks form. Fold the egg white mixture into the mango mixture.
Whip the cream to soft peaks. Fold half into the mango mixture. Divide the mixture among 4 dessert glasses. Refrigerate until the mousses are set, at least 1 hour or up to 2 days.
Slice the reserved mango. Top each serving with a dollop of whipped cream and a mango slice. Serve chilled.
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Voice Of Truth Lyrics - Casting Crowns
Review The Song (246)
Oh what I would do to have
The kind of faith it takes to climb out of this boat I'm in
Onto the crashing waves
To step out of my comfort zone
To the realm of the unknown where Jesus is
And He's holding out his hand
But the waves are calling out my name and they laugh at me
Reminding me of all the times I've tried before and failed
The waves they keep on telling me
Time and time again. 'Boy, you'll never win!'
"You'll never win"
But the voice of truth tells me a different story
And the voice of truth says "Do not be afraid!"
And the voice of truth says "This is for My glory"
sponsored linksOut of all the voices calling out to me
I will choose to listen and believe the voice of truth
Oh what I would do to have
The kind of strength it takes to stand before a giant
With just a Sling and a stone
Surrounded by the sound of a thousand warriors
Shaking in their armor
Wishing they'd have had the strength to stand
But the giant's calling out my name and he laughs at me
Reminding me of all the times I've tried before and failed
The giant keeps on telling me
Time and time again "boy, you'll never win!
"You'll never win"
But the stone was just the right size
To put the giant on the ground
And the waves they don't seem so high
From on top of them looking down
I will soar with the wings of eagles
When I stop and listen to the sound of Jesus
Singing over me
I will choose to listen and believe the voice of truth
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The voice of truth. | Reviewer: Felicia Omotoso | 3/18/14
I woke up this morning with this song in my heart. I believe it is a word from God telling me not to listen to all the other voices that are speaking. I believe I have received my deliverance this morning.
The Lord will bless you and make you a blessing and a joy unto many generations in Jesus name.
I have blessed...... | Reviewer: Nathan Paul | 2/5/14
I have blesseb by this song.I have heard that song from a group of singers had sang that in a Holliness camp in Pabrabuk,the pacifi Bible college of Papua New Guinea.
which I believe its really change my life...
This song is a vehicle of the Holy Spirit | Reviewer: Jorge I Rodriguez | 1/25/14
I had not heard this song since my days in California...when it came over my Christian station I could not hold back the tears thinking of where I was last Sat. night, drunk n on a date, both of which I said I wouldn't do again..but there I was pulled over by a Ct. State trooper with a bible on my front seat from Fridays bible study......n he let me go n I thought....thank you Jesus for your mercy. This Sat. night I'm home...sober!!! :-)
can't stop crying | Reviewer: Chinedu Lawrence | 12/3/13
Thank you casting crowns. Thank You Jesus for victory. Thank You Jesus for encouragement. I won't be afraid just as the voice of truth has spoken. And i'll listen only to the VOICE OF TRUTH.
I find the real hope, security, and love in Jesus | Reviewer: Sheela Socito | 8/29/13
I first heard it, from my brother. Everytime I felt conscious, anxious, and weary.. I quickly play this song..(only 2 song in my cp) that behind discouragement, fear. I have Jesus who knows my heart, and can help me to overcome any circumstance. It always remind me that the one I am pleasing is not people surround me, but the Lord from above. This song always lift up my spirit.. to work as if Jesus is the one I'm really serving. Praise the Lord!
I will choose to listen to the voice of truth | Reviewer: sonia | 8/6/13
I'm being inspired & strengthen with this song.So many times im being discourage by my past failures,as if no more chance to come,but I choose to listen & believe the VOICE OF TRUTH.God bless you Casting Crowns.
Revival | Reviewer: Acme pandit | 7/15/13
I'm so inspired and awakend, what an amazing ministration!, this is one of the musics i can't do without because in that difficult time i used to think it is over, on my own i just decide it's the end, a voice is always asking me never to quit, the actual significant of that voice reflects in this ministration.
Glory to God | Reviewer: Chiso Sapitana | 6/4/13
Am touched with this song What i wud do to hav the kind of strength it takes to stand before a giant with just a sling & stone,David got his victory with nothing but faith in GOD,i now believe that"Defeat never comes to any man until he admits it" i'll never give up though the pace seems slow.
CASTING CROWNS hoping to join your singing in heaven,let us hope that you will be in heavenly choir,i believe you wont fail,right? See you there.
Lyrics of the voice of truth. | Reviewer: Seun Ogedengbe | 3/18/13
The voice of truth tells me a different story. And the voice of truth says do not be afraid. And the voice of truth says this is for my glory. Out of all the voices calling unto me, i will choose to listen and believe the voice of truth. Oh what a wonderful revelation, motivation and inspiration.
Lyrics of the voice of truth. | Reviewer: Seun Ogedengbe | 3/18/13
The voice of truth tells me a different story. And the voice of truth says do not be afraid. And the voice of truth says this is for my glory. Out of all the voices calling unto me, i will choose to listen and believe the voice of truth.
This is one of the Best Songs I've heard! | Reviewer: Dorwen Yu | 3/12/13
this is my first time listening to a song the is made by Casting Crowns. from the lyrics from the song, it motivates me to study harder for the coming years to come. because of this song, I learned that God is always with me whenever I have problems. the line " The VOICE OF TRUTH says "Do not be afraid"" strikes me te most. I'm a person who gives up easily in different problems. But I realized that I shouldn't be afraid to anything. This song tells me that in every problems I face, God is with me to help me. Thank YOU GOD! Awesome song by Casting Crowns!
Voice of Truth | Reviewer: Phil | 3/1/13
This song helped to save my life. Your other songs did no damage either. Seen you in concert in 2012 and was only 6 rows back. Will get front row next time you are in area. Looking to get tickets to see you in Ashville, NC if I can find. Thank You for being a servant of the Lord.
Only LIsten to the voice of truth | Reviewer: Anonymous | 1/28/13
Listening to voice of truth just reminds me of many challenges that through Christ i have overcome time to time i was born with a condition that makes me sick and weak most of the time, Being in high school where i had to miss classes many times and was sometimes not strong enough to handle activities as the rest. Many waves will lough at me that 'boy you never win' But Voice of the voice of truth encouraged me, i passed my exams and now in the university, God also provided my university fees through ways i never expected.
My advice to any person who will read this, don't listed to any other voice BUT THE VOICE OF TRUTH.
greetings | Reviewer: samson keya | 1/18/13
Dear brother in Christ,
Family and christian greetings to you via the good name of Jesus Christ our Father the Lord.We all thank Him for the great care for the whole of the year 2012,Its our hope that we will end the year with Gods power of winning souls and telling others the will of our God.
I pray for Gods blessing for all the people in U. S. A and all saints of God in America in the year 2013.May you continue looking up and God will bless you and your family.We still pray that God will bless you and send us Bibles and materials for evangelism.May the Lord God of blessings bless you and all your plans in the year 2013.God bless you brother.
Your brother in Christ,
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The voice of truth tells me a different story. | Reviewer: Kossy | 12/11/12
This is just my best out of all the songs from casting crowns, i love their songs but ds is my best, facing the giant movie was one movie i wunt forget easily with this song played in it, it just gives me hope that i can face what ever giant it is and also win,
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Heel Height: Approx. 3'' Tall. These vintage inspired Creepers will make any rockabilly girl freak out. The cheetah and glitter combination make these shoes a major attention grabber. The tall platform adds some serious height to these funky lace up oxfords. This shoe will add a pop to any outfit.
Demonia Shoes CREEPER-208 Shoes for Women
Total: $56.95