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You're jumping to conclusions. You assume that McCoy should have a superior knowledge of all physiology just because he's the Enterprise's Chief Medical Officer. How would he have obtained this knowledge? It's not like we had any spare Klingons running around in San Francisco during the TOS time frame. How could McCoy have an extensive knowledge of Klingon biology at a time when Klingons were the enemy? It just doesn't add up at all.
McCoy was painted as incompetent by Chang in the trial because it was a "kangaroo court" of sorts. McCoy wasn't really incompetent--we saw his actions in trying to save Chang, whose injuries were extensive. His inability to stop his bleeding wasn't a failure of McCoy, plain and simple.
See...that's the thing: you've read the novels and, while they are some damn good work, they're not canon.
It's not underselling the abilities of characters, it's about keeping them human and relatable. If they could do all these things you would want them to do, they wouldn't be nearly as interesting.
Uhura did not look incomptetent. That's your interpretation. She's not a translator. She's not a linguist. Period. Hoshi SATO was, but she was by no means an expert, either. Hoshi was supposed to be able to pick up languages like nobody else which is why Archer wanted her for the job. Making Uhura the communications officer who didn't need a UT is just unrealistic, even with a healthy suspension of disbelief.
Gene didn't create these characters the way you want to see them portrayed for a reason.
I'm not jumping to conclusions at all. I am making logical judgements based on what's shown onscreen and stated in TOS.
Yeah, I'm assuming that the chief medical officer on the best ship in the fleet has superior knowledge of all physiology of the life forms in the Federation and their major enemies. Otherwise he wouldn't be the chief medical officer on that ship. That's not a stretch to assume about someone of McCoy's stature. Not a stretch at all. How did he get it? By studying. How would McCoy know about the anatomy of Klingon's? Most probably he learned from the database of knowledge built up from scans performed on Klingon's that had been captures in the various Federation/Klingon confrontations. There were a handful of opportunities shown in TOS. McCoy stated something about not being familiar enough with Klingon physiology in UC. That's why he's unfairly painted as incompetent.
Whether the books are canon or not is irrelevant. The crew we see are members of the best ship in the fleet. It's not a stretch to guess they're the best at what they do. Otherwise they wouldn't be on the Enterprise and it wouldn't be the best ship in the fleet.
The character of Jason Bourne was perfectly relatable and human, yet he was "uber-competent" and the stories and movies were compelling and entertaining. It's possible to have people know what they're doing and be relatable and human, all it takes is good writing.
Uhura lives in the 23rd century where the Federation had long been established and contact with Klingons was not uncommon. Given those to points of canon, it's not a stretch to assume she'd know a lot of languages, including Klingon. That she didn't made her look incompetent.
But Gene did create the characters as I want them. Kirk and Spock are uber-competent. So is Scotty. So is McCoy (at least he was shown that way at times in TOS). We don't really know much about Uhura, Sulu or Chekhov because they didn't have the screen time and character development as the four senior officers. Also, the supporting crew was often times supposed to be shown as more competent, but Shatner often had the scripts re-written so he got the lines that should have gone to other crew members. TNG showed its crew that way, which is what Gene wanted.
Comparing Jason Bourne and Star Trek is comparing an apple to an orange.
The only language, other than English, that we knew Uhura knew was Swahili. That's it. If she knew all these languages, there wouldn't be a Universal Translator, thanks.
Were Kirk and Spock "uber-competent"? Yes, but they also made mistakes. They're humanity was always on display, as it always was with the other characters.
Like I said, you've jumped to WAY too many conclusions. There's no logic in your premise. Star Trek is based on HUMANITY and humans are flawed.
And if anything else, this crew is going to display less experience and more flaws because this is the beginning of their collective adventure. The entire point of their story is discovering the galaxy, not repeated confirmation of their mastery in it.
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Exactly. That's my ultimate point. They weren't even masters during the original five year mission. They were resourceful and heroic and beyond reproach but it took time to hone those skills. They need to be human and not super-human.
I agree with RedShirt
I like seeing the flaws of the characters. I'll agree that some of the writing in the later movies was a bit weak, but in the grand scheme of things, it didnt take away from what the characters were and what they were all about.
Besides, like of of us, except maybe Roger Clemens, don't we all end up losing a little bit of our sharpness as we get older. Maybe if the crew were doping up on 'roids they would have continued there mastery to the high level we expect when they were well into their senior years in Starfleet.
Yes, I am joking a bit in my last paragraph, but simply trying to make a point. If the Enterprise crew was perfect or even almost perfect on every mission, what would be the point in watching? If we know that everything will be done the way it is supposed to with no skew from the norm, it would be boring. The POSSIBILITY of failure or action outside the norm is what makes it so enjoyable.
Yeah, I have to lean towards RedShirt on this one too. Trek 6 established McCoy's knowlege of Kilngon antomy was lacking, the conspitors knew it too. They used it to help frame Kirk and McCoy for Gorkon's death.
I am sure McCoy has general knowlege of Klingons, but depth and detail to a major operation, or repair the level of damage we saw? Probably not.
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You're being speciest with all your concentration on humanity. I'm sure Spock would find it a bit insulting.
Much more practical to teach an engineer to fix the UT if it breaks, rather than school countless comm officers in dozens of languages over years and years of advanced study.
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I can see Uhura fixing her console (including the UT). SFA would teach it's communications officers that, I belive.
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I need to create small datasets that are contained in another dataset, so that I can 'hopefully' control through the top dataset and 'somehow' control through the contained datasets.
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