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NBC's Chuck Todd to Hillary Clinton: Are Any GOP Candidates 'Ready to Answer the 3 a.m. Phone Call?'
In a portion of a softball interview with Secretary of State Hillary Clinton aired on Friday's NBC Today, chief White House correspondent Chuck Todd invited her to bash the Republican field of 2012 candidates as he skeptically wondered: "Any of these Republican presidential candidates ready to answer the 3:00 a.m. phone call?" [Audio available here]
Clinton dodged the question by simply claiming: "Well, you know, I'm out of politics, happy to be out of politics." However, she did use the opportunity to puff up President Obama: "But I am very proud of the leadership that President Obama has shown. He's demonstrated unequivocally that he's ready, willing and able to do whatever is necessary for our country." [View video after the jump]
Todd of course was referring to Clinton's 3 a.m. phone call ad from the 2008 presidential campaign, which was a criticism directed at then-Senator Barack Obama.
On October 20, Today touted "an unusual exchange" between Clinton and Afghan President Hamid Karzai in which the two mocked Herman Cain's foreign policy credentials.
On Friday, the other highlight featured from Todd's interview with Clinton was the two of them chatting about Chelsea Clinton become an NBC News contributor. Todd gushed: "I've got to ask about my new colleague. What – what did you think when she said, 'I want to become a member of the fourth estate,' this side of the line here?" Clinton replied: "Well, I was a little surprised. But, you know, she – she decided to go for it, and I'm very excited for her."
Here is a transcript of Todd's November 18 exchange with Clinton:
SAVANNAH GUTHRIE: Secretary of State Hillary Clinton is in Bali, Indonesia this morning and NBC's chief White House correspondent Chuck Todd spoke to her about, among other things, the 2012 race for the White House.
CHUCK TODD: Any of these Republican presidential candidates ready to answer the 3:00 a.m. phone call?
HILLARY CLINTON: Well, you know, I'm out of politics, happy to be out of politics. But I am very proud of the leadership that President Obama has shown. He's demonstrated unequivocally that he's ready, willing and able to do whatever is necessary for our country.
TODD: I've got to ask about my new colleague.
CLINTON: Yes.
TODD: What – what did you think when she said, 'I want to become a member of the fourth estate,' this side of the line here?
CLINTON: Well, I was a little surprised. But, you know, she – she decided to go for it, and I'm very excited for her.
GUTHRIE: Well, just moments before talking to NBC, President Obama announced that Secretary Clinton will make a historic visit to Myanmar, the first trip of its kind in 50 years.
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why ask answer the 3 am call?
Submitted by jkwtrading on Fri, 11/18/2011 - 11:12am.
why ask answer the 3 am call? people are protesting in the streets and obama is in la la land doing something else. that guy needs to be home.
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That's home....
Submitted by motherbelt on Fri, 11/18/2011 - 12:55pm.
as in Chicago.
When he got the call about Osama bin Laden, he slept on it....right through 3 AM until the next day.
And what the H makes HER the go-to judge on 3 AM calls anyway? Oh, yeah, she made up the question, so that makes her the expert.
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today Obama started another
Submitted by jkwtrading on Fri, 11/18/2011 - 3:34pm.
today Obama started another war in Uganda, of all places.. we are now tracking down someone, and will attempt to kill him.
our president is the first serial killer to occupy the white house.
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This is "liberal media bias"?
Submitted by Clevenative on Fri, 11/18/2011 - 11:19am.
As if Chuck Todd isn't asking the same question most Republicans (and the entire nation) are asking?
I can't wait to see the "true colors" of the right flying high once again as Chelsea Clinton become an NBC News contributor.
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Yoo Hooo! Clevie
Submitted by Blonde on Fri, 11/18/2011 - 12:57pm.
Still waiting for your "dozens of examples" of Tea Party signs.
Link or slink, sto'bought.
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And when he does manage to
Submitted by Free Stinker on Fri, 11/18/2011 - 1:10pm.
And when he does manage to find one or two examples, be sure to note the "Lyndon LaRouche" tag at the bottom of the sign. We saw a couple of those clowns at DC Tea back in '09. That's what the Libs usually link to as a "typical" Tea Party sign, forgetting that LaRouche always tried to run on the Democrat ticket.
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His specific offer, Free
Submitted by Blonde on Fri, 11/18/2011 - 1:18pm.
Was to post dozens of examples of Tea Party signs which depicted The Won as The Antichrist.
Clevenaive is too little of a person to admit he's not up to the task. How utterly typical of a liberal, eh? Sling around accusations, and when unable to back them up, just ignore the little faux pas....kind of like Obama and gaffes, eh?
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I bet he send 12 different
Submitted by Free Stinker on Fri, 11/18/2011 - 1:36pm.
I bet he send 12 different shots of the same LaRouche sign. Their sign I saw in DC referred to O as the AC.
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Here, I'll help. I'll supply
Submitted by motherbelt on Fri, 11/18/2011 - 1:12pm.
Here, I'll help. I'll supply Cleve with link:
Proof the Teabaggers Are Racist, Violent, and Disgusting
And it's from DailyKos, so of course he'll embrace it!
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Yeah, and those OWS
Submitted by winston smith on Fri, 11/18/2011 - 4:18pm.
Yeah, and those OWS protesters --- what sweet, gentle, clean, sober and respectful people we've all come to know in the last 2 months! And what a picture of civility they have been. I bet DailyKos would have an **EXTREMELY** difficult time looking for any violence, racism or disgusting behavior among any of those kindly, mild-mannered conscientous objectors in the peaceful, courteous OWS protests.
sarc: /on
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Submitted by MrShy on Fri, 11/18/2011 - 5:13pm.
That posting at DKos is hilarious. The comments underneath are seething and unhinged. You know you hit the target when they're like that (although, they're usually close to that even unprovoked.)
What's also telling is, that was before OWS got really bad. Yeah people, it got much worse and more violent and ugly in November. Who did that at DKos, btw?
One gem of a comment I found:
"Stop painting Communism as bad."
It's so much fun smoking these commie brat-bastards out.
- shy on vinyl
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Blonde, I do believe I found our sto-bought troll.
Submitted by UpNorth on Fri, 11/18/2011 - 4:35pm.
Read it's own description of it's self.
Explains why it can't come up with anything, though.
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What? You don't know how to use Google?
Submitted by Clevenative on Fri, 11/18/2011 - 4:36pm.
Yes sir, master
Do your own homework
Slideshow: Offensive Tea Party Signs
If you'd watch something other than Faux News you wouldn't need to be making such silly "demands".
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You've been duped
Submitted by kata on Fri, 11/18/2011 - 4:42pm.
I agree that some of those are bad - but several of those are photoshopped.
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Submitted by Clevenative on Fri, 11/18/2011 - 6:05pm.
Which ones? - Now I'M curious.
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Submitted by kata on Fri, 11/18/2011 - 6:12pm.
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And which of these signs are you proud of, Clevie?
Submitted by drsamherman on Fri, 11/18/2011 - 6:12pm.
Some of the signs here http://www.bing.com/images/search?q=kill+bush+signs&qpvt=kill+bush+signs... are far more inflammatory and threatening.
Care to justify those?
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I saw that coming
Submitted by Clevenative on Fri, 11/18/2011 - 6:59pm.
I'm not the idiot in denial here.
And BTW more than half of those "vile" anti-Bush pics you people always counter with were taken outside the USA. Just look at the buildings in the background. (That lack of disclosure doesn't seem to bother you though does it?)
Unlike Obama, our last president was hated even more in many other parts of the world - and for good reason.
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Bush may have been hated
Submitted by Radical1979 on Fri, 11/18/2011 - 7:13pm.
But he was respected. Obama is a joke to other countries. So much so that they give him anti U.S.A. propaganda and the idiot in chief accepts it.
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Resorting to calling anyone an idiot, Clevie?
Submitted by drsamherman on Fri, 11/18/2011 - 7:26pm.
Does it hurt your microcephalic brain too much to figure that if half of the offensive signs are outside of the US, then half of them are IN the US? Did you not see the other montage of offensive signs posted? Your explanation is we are "in denial". Do you even know what that means other than the psychocrap you hear on libtalk radio?
So your logic is trashed and you resort to ad hominems instead of answering the question. How do you justify those sign?
Obama is not very popular in most of the world right now, if you haven't bothered to watch any mainstream news outlet or read a newspaper. He ticked off our closest ally, the UK, by saying they were just another country. He ticked off Canada by delaying on the pipeline deal. He ticked off France and Germany by lecturing them to contain the Greek situation when had zero room to talk about financial mismanagement. He ticked off Japan by lecturing them about multiple topics, including their use of atomic energy and wanting to apologize for the use of atom bomb. They didn't want an apology because they didn't want to bring up those memories. He ticked off most of the Muslim world with his feel-good speech and later doing nothing about it. He ticked off Israel, the most stable country in the Middle East by insulting their prime minister and insisting they push back to their 1967 borders without consulting them first. He ticked off China too many times to list. He ticked off Russia the same way. Just how effective has his "love me for who I am" nonsense geopolitically when Russia and China have told the US to go to hell where Iran is concerned. Oh yes...he certainly is so much more popular.
So far, the only things you have demonstrated to us are that you are a liberal automaton who repeats all of the misinformation and garbage that you steal from leftist websites. Apparently your rhetorical abilities and logical powers are limited to what someone else tells you to say. Congrats, Clevie - that makes you as smart as a cheap recording device.
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Submitted by Clevenative on Fri, 11/18/2011 - 9:01pm.
Excuse the cut and paste - but it's just too easy.
From Sept 14, 2011
President Barack Obama's approval ratings may have hit a new low in the United States this summer, but he's still getting lots of Euro-love, according to a poll out Wednesday.
A full 75 percent of those surveyed in 12 European countries approved of Obama's handling of "international policies," according to the poll from Transatlantic Trends, a group that studies public opinion in the United States and the European Union.
The president's approval rating abroad is a slight decrease from Transatlantic Trends' findings on Obama from last year, when 78 percent of Europeans approved of his handling of international issues. Nyiri said the decline comes largely in countries where Obama had sky-high approval ratings – some in the 90s – that would have been hard for him to maintain.
Read more: http://www.politico.com/news/stories/0911/63468.html#ixzz1e6bu0F6b
On to GW...
Opinions of Bush from outside the U.S. are less than favorable. For example, a global sampling in 2005 of 21 nations found that 58% of those sampled believed that the president's reelection would have a negative impact on their peace and security; only 26% believed it would have a positive one.[121]
A mural of President Bush in West Belfast, Northern Ireland, in April 2006, depicting the local population's perception of his foreign policy and relationship with the British government
Photo by Patrick McAleer
In 18 of the 21 countries surveyed around the world, a majority of respondents were found to hold an unfavorable opinion of Bush. Respondents indicated that they judged his administration as "negative" for world security.[121][122]
[edit] In specific countries
The United Kingdom's Daily Mirror newspaper ran the following headline the day of Bush's reelection: "How Can 59,054,087 People Be So Dumb?", underlining Bush's unpopularity in some sections of the British press. Among the population of Britain, two-thirds of the population holds[when?] a dim view of Bush, a figure that is duplicated in Canada.
Bush fares[when?] slightly better in Italy, where just over half of the population has a negative view, but much worse in other countries. "Three-quarters of those in Spain and more than 80% in France and Germany had a negative view of President Bush's role in world affairs."[122] In Turkey, 72% of those polled said that Bush's reelection made them "feel worse about Americans".[121] In November 2006, a survey taken in Great Britain, Mexico, and Canada showed that they believe Bush is more dangerous than North Korean leader Kim Jong-il and Iranian President Mahmoud Ahmadinejad.[123]
[edit] Islamic Countries
In Islamic countries, opinion of Bush is even less favorable. In Islamic countries, Bush's unfavorable ratings are particularly high, often over 90%.[124] In Jordan, for example, Bush's favorable rating is only nine percent.
From Reuters 9/28/2011...
JERUSALEM — President Barack Obama's popularity has risen sharply in Israel after he spoke out forcibly against a Palestinian statehood bid at the United Nations last week, according to a poll published by the Jerusalem Post on Wednesday.
The poll found 54 percent of Jewish Israelis thought Obama's policy was favorable to Israel, while 19 percent said it was pro-Palestinian. A survey in May showed 12 percent thought U.S. policy was pro-Israel and 40 percent saw it as pro-Palestinian.
The surge in popularity followed a September 21 speech by Obama at the United Nations in which he rejected a Palestinian quest for statehood recognition and detailed the persecution of the Jewish people through history.
After the spike in 2009, in "the Muslim world" Obama's numbers are tumbling and are now below GW's numbers when he left office in 2008 - but not as low as they were in 2003 when GW first invaded Iraq.
You'd think that "you people" would consider that a good thing. LOL
You have to consider how "mad" the rest of the world is at the US for the economy - and how much they might blame the US for their economic problems. There's no doubt that our problems at least added to theirs. The rising "income gap" thing is not just a problem here in America - and more of the "serfs" around the world are aware of the growing inequities. My guess is they expected Obama to be the savior as much as so many did here - but it's not something one guy can just magically "fix" by some executive order or something.
BTW - As for the signs -
I never said a word about any of the backlash that GW was getting or denying it occured. What does GW have to do with the Tea Party? Were those GW protests coming from any organizations linked to Democrats? No - They were mostly about the illegal wars he got us into - and the protestors came from all walks of life and political persuasions, and in many parts of the world.
All I asked was that you quit denying the Tea Party signs that were especially evident early on BEFORE it was made into such a hot-button issue.
And the bottom line is, the level of votriol and hate (and stupid signs) was on a level of an apples to oranges comparison to GW Bush. This is not a simple "both sides do it" thing. There hasn't been a president in my lifetime who has been hated, demonized, delegitimized, and taken the abuse that has been thrown at Obama by the right. I wonder what makes him so different?
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Submitted by kata on Fri, 11/18/2011 - 9:01pm.
You can almost feel the spittle, though. Keep at it!
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Submitted by Radical1979 on Fri, 11/18/2011 - 9:08pm.
I'm not interested in having the enemies of this country love our president. I would prefer that they respect and fear him. Of course those who want to destroy us love obama, he's helping them from within.
As far as the love thing below...I'm with killa, keep it to yourself. I don't want to catch anything from you. Ugh.
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I'll tell ya what makes your
Submitted by killa37 on Fri, 11/18/2011 - 9:17pm.
I'll tell ya what makes your Boy Barry 'so different'..................he's a lot like you, except stupider, if that's possible. He's also a dyed-in-the-wool communist, a moooooooooooooooooslem sympethizer, a re-distributionist, a racist (even though he barely qualifies as being of the 'race' that he won the election with), an America hater, a wealth destroyer (unless you're on his list of favorites), a petulant, arrogant, self-absorbed man-child with virtually NO practical experience or common sense in ANYTHING that would qualify him to even be a shoe-shine boy, let alone where he's at now, an enemy of virtually all things considered to be part of the American culture and foundation system..........................and - one more thing, meat - he IS a classic example of what you and the rest of your maggot leeches down at the OWS bowel movements are PROTESTING AGAINST!!! But you're too damn stupid to figure it out, so maybe I should rephrase my first sentence to read that you are stupider than Boy Barry. Plus, he has done, quite possibly, irreversible damage to our country (by design), so maybe he's NOT as stupid as I think he is - but I'd have to give a lot of that success to his help from the willing accomplices in the MSM, Congress, and uniformed, misinformed, and ignorant voters..........as well as the millions of people who EXPECT the government to TELL THEM how to run their lives - which is apparantly where you fit in, judging from your non-stop diahhrea of posts here.
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Bravo, Mr. killa!
Submitted by ant on Fri, 11/18/2011 - 11:30pm.
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Sad - just sad:(
Submitted by Clevenative on Sat, 11/19/2011 - 10:39am.
The saddest part of this entire website is the group-think mentality of hate and the way you continue and encourage each other in this ongoing circle jerk. You go killa! Keep up your hate-filled incoherent 3rd grade rants of over-the-top dog-whistle rhetoric and hate. For once, you feed the hungry.
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I've got a better idea,
Submitted by killa37 on Sat, 11/19/2011 - 1:55pm.
I've got a better idea, meat...............why don't YOU get away from your 'circle-jerk' (and your 'teabagging') and refute something that I said. I don't think anyone else has called my posts 'incoherent'............but I've got to remember that we're a bunch of wingnut crazy right-wing whacko idiot teabaggers who engage in 'group think' - whatever the hell that is............maybe I can look it up in the 'right wing handbook' that you keep flapping about.
I don't know what 'feed the hungry' means.............but what have YOU ever done to make things better, besides pat yourself on the back and brag about how smart you are and how you're the only person who knows the 'truth'??
One more thing, asshole......all you've done is insult and degrade this site and the people that are here..........so why are you still hanging around??? Anybody with any common sense wouldn't be spending time and energy hanging around someplace that was so beneath their intelligence and status in life.
How's that union job going, meat??? You gonna tell us what it is???
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I guess because
Submitted by Clevenative on Sat, 11/19/2011 - 3:41pm.
I guess because, other than hating to see the lies parroted here, I enjoy bringing out the "true colors" of people like you. Like continually referring to me as "meat" and calling me an asshole while complaining about such trivial "offenses" as labeling your rants "incoherent". (And you're still obsessed with that ONE "teabagger" reference I made despite my explanation and assurance I would refrain from using the term?)
"Feed the hungry" means you have plenty of anxious lap dogs anxious for you to throw them another treat - which is apparently your self-appointed "duty" around here. I guess it's expected I had to explain that one.
And, if it matters or is any of your business, I retired from the union (after 30 years) and got into various other entrepreneur experiments - but the union job helped allow me a beautiful home, savings for the future, "Cadillac" health insurance, and comfortable pension and life, thank you.
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Association of Community Organizations for Reform Now
Submitted by upcountrywater on Sat, 11/19/2011 - 3:58pm.
Service Employees International Union
So that's why your entrepreneur experiments are cash only programs.
Here is a new Acronym for you to learn: TEA party= Taxed Enough Already.
Great job there; cash under the table tax cheat.
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Wow, Mr. Cleventine - not
Submitted by killa37 on Sat, 11/19/2011 - 10:51pm.
Wow, Mr. Cleventine - not only do you have a fantastic resume, but you seem to have done very well for yourself............I'd say that you might qualify as being part of the 1% that I keep hearing about. Is that why you are so enamored with the OWS??? Shouldn't they be protesting YOU??? You have just described yourself as an elitist..............and you're STILL getting paid for NOT working - on somebody else's dime??? Fantastic!!! You gotta love this country, right??? Where else could you do this???
I don't have any 'lap dogs' around here..........I'm just another guy who comes onto this website to get - as Paul Harvey used to say - 'the REST of the story'. Of course, I'm sure that you think that Paul Harvey was some kind of conspiricy-ridden whackjob right wing nut case, so I probably shouldn't mention his name. The people here can take it or leave it with regards to anything I have to say - just the same as you. I have learned a lot of things that I would never know from being an ignorant schlub who only followed the MSM and whatever they decide to report, or not report - from this website and the people on it. I don't know what 'group-think' is, and I know that there are a wide variety of opinions and thoughts here at NB, as well as many layers and levels of discussions...............from all angles.
You're not capable of 'bringiing out' and 'true colors' from me, meat - because I am ALWAYS the same person - every day and night...........and I don't try to disguise myself the way you have admitted to doing. So if I've called you 'meat' or an 'asshole', that's probably being a little light, given the kind of person you appear to be...............but I don't want to get banned from this website for obscenity. But given the constant barrage of insults and dispairaging remarks that you make towards the posters here, I don't think I've crossed any lines by saying what I said to you.
Like I said before............ONE 'teabagger' reference is all WE need to hear,because no amount of apologizing or backtracking is going to whitewash your true intentions............but you've said a lot more than that,so it appears that you're more hung up on it than I am.
And I'm pretty sick of hearing you talk about the 'truth'...................your version of the 'truth' is so skewed and convoluted that it would take a complete fool and idiot to believe it - I guess that's why you're so sold on yourself.
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Wait a sec.
Submitted by Prisondog1776 on Sat, 11/19/2011 - 11:07pm.
Are you saying that you made money from a free capitalist country?
You have a nice home and a "Cadillac" health care plan? Why did you not opt for the ObamaCare Health Plan?
Savings for the future? Why, how did you receive that money?
Were you not supporting the OWS crowd in their struggle against 'Capitalist Pigs'?
Comfortable pension? You mean money that you EARNED? How very Conservative and Republican of you.
And, if it matters or is any of your business, I retired from the union (after 30 years) and got into various other entrepreneur experiments - but the union job helped allow me a beautiful home, savings for the future, "Cadillac" health insurance, and comfortable pension and life, thank you.
Read more: http://newsbusters.org/comment/reply/51845/1598134#ixzz1eD9yUOqN
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Unbelievable is your obsession with Bush.
Submitted by drsamherman on Fri, 11/18/2011 - 11:19pm.
You cited a singular poll about Obama in Israel. Those were taken prior to his open microphone incident with Sarkozy and well after his own advisers told him to back down on the 1967 border issue or face the loss of the critical Jewish vote in 2012. Now that he has tried rattling his rusty sabre against Iran, China and Russia told him they will not cooperate. Do you really think all of that will fly with Israel?
As for Bush's ratings overseas, those polls are over five years old. Newsflash: he is no longer President.
Taking your logic in your last paragraph, were you largely in a coma during the years 2003 to 2009 when Bush was President? Did you fail to notice the massive anti-war protests that took place all over the United States? Did you miss the "assassination chic" that was brushing the country in the leftwing media? Did you miss the constant, pounding criticism of every action he took?
Obama painted himself as the savior then failed to deliver anything. Your side kept harping about the "light" and the "hope" and the "change". The light never got turned on, the hope dwindled quickly and the change never happened. All of this despite having both houses of congress and a lapdog media and he still could not get a thing done. Everyone who is in opposition to Obama is hardly racist, they just don't like an incompetent, mismanaging narcissist in the White House.
It is all to easy for a Democrat or liberal to yell racism whenever they hear something about Obama they don't like. I am a Latino conservative, and unless you have ever had to live as a perceived minority within a minority, you would hardly be in a position to tell me what is racism and what is not. The Democrat party has taken minorities for granted for years, especially the fastest growing segment of the population - Latinos (or hispanics if you prefer). A number of us voted for Bush (twice) because he wanted to reform immigration in a meaningful way. None of the Latinos who are here legally want illegals here. Don't cry racism or even imply it exists until you can explain your side's vitriol towards Bush or any minority conservative who is being vilified daily in the press. Does it really make you proud that your side pilloried Allen West, a former military officer who served his country? Or perhaps you are really proud of the comments made towards Michelle Malkin? And lest we forget, how about the treatment the naked antisemitism at the OWS protests or Obama sending in military advisors into an insignificant situation in central Africa?
You are the best example of the parroting liberal troll that we have had in some time. You are not completely useless--you serve as a bad example par excellence.
And just asking...how many arrests for criminal activity were made during the Tea Party protests? And how much overtime had to be spent to clean up unsanitary conditions after they left their protest areas?
Thanks for playing and please recommend that your psychiatrist increase your doses the next time your involuntary commitment comes around.
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All I'm saying
Submitted by Clevenative on Sat, 11/19/2011 - 10:54am.
Is that I find it comical the way you pick and chose your arguments - and always refuse to expose the big picture (what's more even look at it). The masters at out-of-context quotes and video clips.
There is no denying that GW Bush badly tarnished the image of America - nearly ruined it, even amongst our allies. To suggest Obama's foreign policies have harmed the nation is just laughable. Because of the damages done by his predecessor, he's had to work harder at mending U.S. foreign relations than any president in modern history.
I used to use this link as a tagline for my nick. The "circling the wagons" to protect one of your own - regardless how embarrassing, is a perfect example of the "clan" mentality of conservatives that is explained in this piece. Again, it is what it is and there is nothing I can say or do to change it.
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First time I've EVER seen the
Submitted by killa37 on Sat, 11/19/2011 - 1:13pm.
First time I've EVER seen the words 'Obama' and 'work harder' used in the same sentence!!! Maybe you could name some of your Boy Barry's 'hard work' in the foreign policy field???
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President Obama has taken
Submitted by Clevenative on Sat, 11/19/2011 - 3:52pm.
President Obama has taken more trips abroad meeting with world leaders and participated in more world and regional summits than had GW in his first term. He spent no time "clearing brush on the ranch" or staging phony "mission accomplished" photo ops. It looks like instead he's "accomplishing the mission". In modern times Republican presidents spent more time away from the Oval Office, and Washington, than have the Democrats. GW broke the record with over 25% of his time "on vacation". Again, "just the facts, maam".
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Submitted by 26CX on Sat, 11/19/2011 - 4:01pm.
Wasn't GW dealing with the 9/11 attacks during his first term? Probably didn't leave a lot of time for taking trips abroad and participating in world and regional summits.
So, I'm guessing that now you will tell us about your theories about who was actually behind the 9/11 attacks, right?
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Hey Clevie-Poo - I think we
Submitted by killa37 on Sat, 11/19/2011 - 10:37pm.
Hey Clevie-Poo - I think we finally agree on something, sort of!!! I do think that Boy Barry has taken more trips abroad to meet with world leaders and take part in world and regional 'summits' (whatever the hell that means) than GW - although I'm not sure why you keep bringing up Bush in your conversations - I certainly haven't mentioned him. But can you tell me WHAT these meetings and summits have accomplished??? I"m serious here - I'm not trying to lead you on. Aside from borrowing a few zillion more dollars from China, and having some nice vacations disguised as 'diplomatic' trips, and hobnobbing with various other leaders around the world - who seem to regard Obama as some kind of clown - tell me ONE THING that has come of it - that will make OUR lives better - that will make OUR country better.
Of course, your view of OUR country is about as polar opposite as mine, I'm sure, so you'll probably have some answers for me that will satisfy your own agenda.
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And you find this a positive?
Submitted by Boudin on Sat, 11/19/2011 - 10:54pm.
Obama is such a disaster on so many levels it's not the least bit funny
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Killa, come on.
Submitted by UpNorth on Sat, 11/19/2011 - 4:00pm.
You know that it's hard work apologizing for America, and bowing and scraping to assorted heads of despotic countries and mayors of medium-sized cities.
And, it's really hard work pissing off allies and sucking up to enemies. In the case of alliances that go back a hundred years or so, it takes work to undo all of that in just 3 years. In the case of the only democracy in a certain region, it takes a lot of work to undermine that ally, and grease the skids for Genocide Round 2.
Not to mention, he really, REALLY hates to stay home with the Mooch.
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Do the world a favor and perform a post-natal abortion...
Submitted by Dave. on Sat, 11/19/2011 - 4:12pm.
...on yourself, you worthless, lying, stinking commie troll.
At least then you will be a "good" commie.
Vote for the American in November
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Expose the big picture of WHAT? Your citations are terrible.
Submitted by drsamherman on Sat, 11/19/2011 - 4:17pm.
Your citations would not make it past a Freshman composition course. So far, your sourcing includes left-wing websites with little or no documentation, or single-source news stories with dubious corroboration. You cite Chomsky (who made a lot of money on US defense contracts), a story about a business development memo from a consulting firm specializing in crisis management for large businesses and miscellaneous garbage that is nothing but pure political diatribe. Again, you display all of the loathsome characteristics of a mindless left-wing automaton regurgitating ideological nonsense on cue. You claim to have been in IT, so you would know what an endless do loop is - your Pavlovian responses to conservatives on this website bears that out a minimum.
If, as you say, there is nothing you can say or do to change this, then coming to this site can only be seen as a way of drawing the attention you so crave with outrageous behavior (a borderline/cluster B feature) or to stir up controversy (a sociopathic feature). It looks like you have received the attention you wanted, albeit with the expected Axis II features we commonly find the variety of liberal troll that you are. Now you can run back to DU or DKos and whine about all of those mean, hateful conservatives who just don't understand your version of the truth.
You are as tiresome as others who have come and gone. One would think at your age that you have better things to do than wasting your time trying to convince anyone here that you have anything original, clever or truthful to say.
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Oh, sorry, I misread your
Submitted by bretzysdude on Sat, 11/19/2011 - 4:15pm.
Oh, sorry, I misread your first sentence in this comment without the "not" and thought that you were finally being honest here.
Waiting for the ban hammer to drop...
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The ban hammer being dropped, bretz, is ---
Submitted by matthewdean on Sat, 11/19/2011 - 7:29pm.
way, way overdue.
The entertainment factor that this clown Clevenaive first provided has gone steadily downhill, post by post; and his posts now do nothing more than stink up the joint.
killa's analogy of 'Cleventine = a fart' is most definitive.
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Submitted by upcountrywater on Fri, 11/18/2011 - 6:18pm.
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His "superior intellect" is too busy to answer.
Submitted by drsamherman on Fri, 11/18/2011 - 6:24pm.
And if he does, you can bet it will be diatribe, devoid of logic and bent on claiming he is being victimized.
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Looks like we got his reply.
Submitted by drsamherman on Fri, 11/18/2011 - 7:29pm.
Clevie has some paranoia with a heaping scoop of narcissism and a low IQ to top it all off. I will continue watching him implode.
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And a tax cheat too, Oh oppps just a cash under the table sort
Submitted by upcountrywater on Sat, 11/19/2011 - 2:16pm.
of union lefty.
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Noooooooooo, no ka
Submitted by killa37 on Sat, 11/19/2011 - 2:24pm.
Noooooooooo, no ka oi..........he said the he PAYS taxes, and he's pissed off about it, because some God-fearing conservative lady who's been laid off 3 times is using his tax dollars to collect unemployment, as well as write off her mortgage AND subsidize and educate her kids!!! I kid you not!!! You can't make this stuff up!!!
Of course, he also is the most fiscally conservative guy you'll ever meet, and doesn't own a credit card, pays for everything upfront, doesn't deal with EVIL banks, and has no debt - although he does admit to having a mortgage - which I thought you had to qualify for in some 'normal' fashion - but maybe he's a Fannie-Mae/Freddy Mac type of guy, and didn't have to go through the usual procedures. Now - I do know a few people who operate like that................a couple of them are trust-funders (we call them 'trustafarions' over here), some of them just do everything on a 'cash-only' basis, and a couple of them are drug dealers.
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Wow, the NAACP posts a "slideshow" and you run
Submitted by UpNorth on Fri, 11/18/2011 - 4:43pm.
with it.... Thanks Mr. Lazy and Sleepy.
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Of course, I should have known better - LOL
Submitted by Clevenative on Fri, 11/18/2011 - 6:19pm.
The NAACP did not make those signs - nor take the pictures. That is from but one of literally hundreds of websites that have them - and many other similar pics on display. I just happened to select it because it was in video format.
Do you want a few links to the ones with the misspelled signs? Or have you been embarrassed enough?
BTW - "The Tea Party" (whatever THAT REALLY is) support would not be polling in the low teens if they had come out early on and disavowed themselves from the racist elements who were either part of the early start of the movement or quickly jumped on the bandwagon. That was ALL the NAACP asked them to do. But instead Little Andy Breitbart, in his infinite wisdom, tried calling them "racists" and pushed an out-of-context video to smear Shirley Sherrod and the NAACP.
Whatever "image" The Tea Party now has - they brought on themselves.
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Alas, Naive....THAT was not the task.
Submitted by Blonde on Fri, 11/18/2011 - 6:26pm.
Let. Me. Type. Very. Slowly.
Perhaps it will help your reading comprehension.
You stated you could show us "dozens of Tea Party signs where Barack Obama was cast as the Antichrist".
And here you are, crying in your pablum, because we reject your bait and switch tactics. Oops!
Better start googling, Naive. The clock is ticking, ticking, ticking.
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Submitted by Clevenative on Fri, 11/18/2011 - 7:08pm.
Check down in this thread - I finally got around to answering your demands, master.
Me me me me - answer me ! me me me - answer me coward! me me me me
Don't give me the pleasure of knowing I'm keeping you on the edge of your seat. I do have a life outside this silly bullying session, and as I explained, feel no obligation to answer anyone - nor feel offended or diminished by your "calling me out" if I don't. Life is too short as is.
How's your foot tasting?
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You mean "I finally got a
Submitted by Free Stinker on Fri, 11/18/2011 - 7:43pm.
You mean "I finally got a link to the DUH-lyKos approved agitprop".
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How do the walls of your rectum look to you Clevie?
Submitted by drsamherman on Fri, 11/18/2011 - 8:40pm.
Certainly seems to be where your head is stuck.
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I just saw a photo of
Submitted by killa37 on Fri, 11/18/2011 - 8:45pm.
I just saw a photo of Clevie-Poo on some profile of his, and I'd have to say, Doc, that you just insulted the walls of his rectum!!!
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Considering how full of crap
Submitted by Bhaal on Fri, 11/18/2011 - 11:35pm.
Considering how full of crap he is he must have one nasty case of diverticulitis.
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Hey, Lazy and Sleepy, recognize these words?
Submitted by UpNorth on Fri, 11/18/2011 - 6:42pm.
"Yet early on, after being scorned as a troll (OK I admit it, LOL) in regards to NB? That should be enough to get this waste of skin banned, in and of itself.
"Unless you find as much pleasure in making these people face up to the truth - and the ugliness behind their ideology (and the hypocrisy behind most of their nitpicking articles) - don't bother wasting your time with them. It is what it is – and will always continue to be.LOL) and being told to "go back to Kos" (where I hadn't posted in months if not years) Really? months if not years? Yet that was posted a day ago.
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You go boy
Submitted by Clevenative on Fri, 11/18/2011 - 7:16pm.
Both Kos and Newsbusters must love trolls like me - aye? I bet a dozen more people clicked and subscribed to WSJ since I been posting here. Now I know why I'm still here. OMG - I'm feeding part of what I hate most - commercialized internet. (Do I need an "emotion" here or should I just wait for the "narcisist" rants? hmmm)
BTW - Someone finally responded to that post at Kos? I'll have to check it out. L8R. (I feel like double agent.)
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You People, you folks, and now?
Submitted by UpNorth on Fri, 11/18/2011 - 7:56pm.
You go, boy? You ARE a racist, not even a closet racist, just the plain ole, everyday, Robert Byrd kind of racist, aren't you? If you talked like that in most parts of the town I worked in, someone would slap the yellow off your teeth.
(Do I need an "emotion" here)? Hmm, someone who's been in IT for years, and you don't know the difference between an emoticon and an "emotion"? The longer you post, the more any of your bona-fides come into question. I doubt you've done anything in IT, other than type away in mom's basement, and the only union you belong to is the union of trolls, local #1.
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Quit Whining Like a Little Girl, Clevenaive
Submitted by Blonde on Fri, 11/18/2011 - 4:49pm.
You made the statement, not me..."dozens of pictures of the Tea Party portraying Obama as the Antichrist".
Not one of those photos was of Obama portrayed as the Antichrist, which was YOUR claim.
Too bad, so sad.
I don't make "silly demands"....I force liberal idiots like you to back up their trash, because I know you can't.
You may go now. Toodles.
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SAD? You're calling me sad?
Submitted by Clevenative on Fri, 11/18/2011 - 6:43pm.
You sure do love playing into the "dumb blonde" stereotype, don't you?
It just goes to show how many of you live in an alternative reality - part of that Fox News bubble, I guess.
Try this - and be sure to check out the DOZENS of others from the selection of "related" videos in the right column.
Here's a few more - All shown with pride - let me know when you wanna cry "Uncle".
And there's twice as many Tea Party rally signs depicting Obama as Hitler. And hundreds of photoshopped images or "memorabilia" items for sale available at right-wing websites depicting the president as such (Hitler, AntiChrist, etc). Another one playing coy - and I'd bet my left arm a few of them landed in your e-mail Inbox.
I mean seriously, this has me just shaking my head. Is it ignorance or denial that causes you people to do this sort of thing so often? Why is reality such a difficult thing to accept?
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I counted two, and if I'm not mistaken, isn't
Submitted by UpNorth on Fri, 11/18/2011 - 7:00pm.
"dissent" the highest form of patriotism? Meanwhile, the link to the Telegraph is from a protest by the Westboro Baptist "Church", not a Tea Party Rally. But, if cleve's fingers are moving, he's lying. Cleve forgets that the picture of Hitler as Obama or vice versa, was done by a democrat out in L.A.
And, yet again, the "you people". This place defintely needs a better class of troll.
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OK UpNorth
Submitted by Clevenative on Fri, 11/18/2011 - 7:20pm.
You got me. I'm an evil deceiving troll who intentionally tried to mislead readers. The Tea Party is not racist and there have never been ANYTHING racist about it or anyone who ever attended a Tea Party event. All Republicans are honest and pure of heart - good caring loving Christian men and women - and I had no business trying to suggest otherwise.
I love you all.
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Oh please!
Submitted by motherbelt on Fri, 11/18/2011 - 8:57pm.
Even if they are calling him the antiChrist, that's nothing more than connecting him to a biblical prediction of the end of the world.
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Actually, I had a 20 year old
Submitted by killa37 on Fri, 11/18/2011 - 11:15pm.
Actually, I had a 20 year old kid working for me last year, and he explained the whole 'Obama/anti-Christ' thing to me one day when we were working, and I have to say.............it was pretty intiguing. And I have seen some of those faces that Boy Barry makes when things aren't going well for him...........and they look somewhat.................possessed????
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You finally made some sense,
Submitted by killa37 on Fri, 11/18/2011 - 11:10pm.
You finally made some sense, Clevie-Poo...............the only part that was unneccessary was the 'I love you all' line - NONE of us wants to have ANYTHING to do with your 'love'...............plus, since you come from a well-known Republican family - with the internship and the fund-raising, as well as your IT work with those various Fortune 500 companies, on top of your (apparantly quite cushy) union job - since you seem to have a LOT of time on your hands during the workday - and this is the kind of person you are, at 60 years old - I'd say that you're probably an embarrassment and a disappointment to most of your family and co-workers......................but I'm sure all of your fellow maggots at OWS think you're the bees-knees!!!
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Nobody is crying Uncle
Submitted by Radical1979 on Fri, 11/18/2011 - 7:18pm.
But we are calling you a troll. Only one of the pictures has a possible connection to the Tea Party, and only because there is a Gadsden flag in the background. Your sad little video was two women on the side of the road. Hardly a Tea Party event.
As usual, FAIL.
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Dozens, eh?
Submitted by Blonde on Fri, 11/18/2011 - 9:23pm.
Good grief, you are truly dumber than you look!
YouTube video...poster says "Bail Outs: GM, Banks, Home Mortgages - Change I Can't Afford". Where is the Obama = Antichrist?
The other 5 at least have "Antichrist" in the pictures, very good, naive.
But you get no gold star, as FIVE IS NOT DOZENS, and two are faux (LaRouchies).
Three is NOT dozens.
The only one who is crying uncle here is you....my troll shoes are very, very pointy and have been firmly planted in your backside for two days.
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Speaking of pointy silver
Submitted by killa37 on Fri, 11/18/2011 - 9:28pm.
Speaking of pointy silver shoes, Blonde..........maybe you need to give the Wrathful Brunette a jingle - she might get a 'kick' out of ol' Clevie-Poo.............you KNOW how must she disdains suffering fools like him.
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You're really infatuated with this one.
Submitted by Clevenative on Sat, 11/19/2011 - 4:12pm.
Maybe I should provide a link to a collage such as the "both sides do it" response I received earlier?
How's this?
Google image search for "Obama AntiChrist"
Be sure to keep clicking the "Show More Results" link at the bottom.
I still stand by my observation that, in sheer numbers, GW's "hate" pics don't hold a candle to what has been done to Obama - especially from "domestic" sources (like the Obama-hater Tea Party wingnuts).
Regardless my willingness to waste my time scouring the internet for every such "unique" pic, there's no way there have not been "dozens of" such pics (or signs using the word Anti-Christ) at the hundreds or thousands of Tea Party rallies and events across the nation. I don't feel the least bit guilty or obligated to "prove" my "dozens" figure and you're free to go on thinking "gotcha". OK you got me - next.
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Well, at least you finally
Submitted by bretzysdude on Sat, 11/19/2011 - 4:21pm.
Well, at least you finally admitted you're a loser.
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Some PR advice, Clevenaive.
Submitted by 26CX on Sat, 11/19/2011 - 4:22pm.
So, I'm thinking that the lack of enthusiasm for your carefully considered and wide-reaching points of view is resulting in no small part from the misconceptions people have from looking at your picture.
This just doesn't convey the image of a guy who is out to enlighten people who are trapped by their pedestrian conservative thinking.
Instead, why don't you use a picture what does a better job of showing your congenial side so people will be more open to your opinions. Maybe something with a big smile, like this.
Give it some thought. It just might help...
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26, I do believe I found the real Sleepy.
Submitted by UpNorth on Sat, 11/19/2011 - 4:45pm.
It's an old pic, but his suitcase says it's him.
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Submitted by Denny Crane on Sat, 11/19/2011 - 10:08pm.
You said TEA party signs. That is just a search for pictures on the internet.
Even funnier is that you actually think it proves anything.
Google image search for "Obama AntiChrist" brings back approximately 489,000 hits. However if you put it in quotes like your supposed to to get a more refined search you get about 10,000
Google image search for "Bush hitler" and you get over 20,000 out of quotes it's in the millions.
Once again, you said "And 26CX – Don't play coy. I'll be happy to provide dozens of different Tea Party signs and quotes highlighting just who has been painting President Obama as "the Anti-Christ" (A ridiculous religious-right myth to begin with)"
We seriously need a better class of troll.
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Here you go, naive
Submitted by Blonde on Fri, 11/18/2011 - 6:36pm.
Just to remind you, here is a link to YOUR POST.
Your words:
If only 10% of the people who post at this website had the verbal skills and propensity to logic (over hate and fear) that I was blessed with, there would be no need for my comments.
The pigeonholing and stereotyping of me and my comments is all just classic right-wing drivel. I don't even post at Kos and read no more of their website than any other of my daily reads – which DOES include both sides of the issues. HOW MANY OF YOU CAN SAY THE SAME? Daily Kos does just fine without me, and I haven't even talked to Uncle George in years. LOL.
And 26CX – Don't play coy. I'll be happy to provide dozens of different Tea Party signs and quotes highlighting just who has been painting President Obama as "the Anti-Christ" (A ridiculous religious-right myth to begin with).
This guy is just another in a long list of the crazies that have come out of the woodwork thanks to the rise of the far-right and the hate-mongers like Glenn Beck and the rest of his buddies at Fox News and the right-wing propaganda noise-machine who "inspire" them.
I hope you're all so very proud of yourself.
Tick tock, naive.
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J,. check the link to Clevenaive's ramblings
Submitted by UpNorth on Fri, 11/18/2011 - 6:53pm.
about the Gifford shooting, and the bullseye article that was mysteriously taken down at Kos.
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Cleve, you still don't have a
Submitted by motherbelt on Fri, 11/18/2011 - 1:00pm.
Cleve, you still don't have a clue.
And just what are the "true colors" of the right?
Just what is the right "hiding" now that will become glaringly obvious when Ms. Clinton joins NBC?
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The "true colors" are
Submitted by Clevenative on Fri, 11/18/2011 - 6:04pm.
What you see on full display in this website every day. Snide vile snarky vulgar repulsive unrepentant unadulterated hate for all things "not like us".
You want to put any bets on how she will be treated by the right-wing noise machine? Give me your email and I'll be happy to throw one in your face every time I see one.
Here's an old story that you might have forgotten - but is a glowing example of the "true colors" of so many Republican heroes.
Atilla Anne Coulter is another Republican hero scumbag. Andrew Breitbart - Jim Hoft - I could fill this page. There is nothing near in comparison on the left - habitual liars and smear merchants. And if you find examples, there sure as hell aren't throngs of "dittoheads" who drool at their every sick comment or "suggestion". The reason being, progressives don't want to soil themselves by stooping to such depths of their cesspool of "opinion". Progressives may diss some conservatives - and even "hate" some of what they stand for, but they are not consumed by it. I have never met a single progressive who hates the word conservative as much as most conservatives hate the word liberal. And it's not just a "hate" for the ideology - it's a deep hate for any person who they feel can be labeled as such. As I've mentioned, you can see that in online comments all across the internet.
EVERYTHING for you people is about "divide and conquer". I think it was Karl Rove who even admitted as much using those exact words. What you are doing to the OWS protestors is another example - Painting them all as unemployed uneducated "loser" druggies and "rapists" hell-bent on a violent overthrow of capitalism. What a joke.
It's just what the right does. It's on page one of every right-wing handbook. I'm sure you never visited a White Supremacist website or any other far-right recruiting grounds (cough cough) but that is the central theme for any of them. Find the worst, most disgusting examples you can to create a populist "hate" toward the focus group of your attack, and paint those inferior traits as the norm - all while portraying yourself as morally superior "Christians", "family men", "true patriots", and defenders of all that is good. It is what it is. The biggest display of phony hypocritical snake oil propaganda - all geared to drum up the hate, with enough glittering generalities to be soaked up by the ignorant masses.
It was perfected in Europe in the 30's and you'd think we'd have learned from it once exposed. But I guess as a species, for many, our brains still haven't evolved enough to know when we are being used as tools - and we allow ourselves to be controlled by these "smart" professional hate-mongers who drum up our most personal emotions and play on our deepest (often illegitimate) fears in order to control, influence, and shape our minds to an unconditional loyalty to "the cause", usually labeled as "freedom" - when in fact it is an entrapment lair that becomes more difficult to escape the deeper we become entangles in the web of hate. Once you are in that box, it's almost impossible to look at yourself, or the real world, from outside it.
We may be the most advanced and smartest species on the planet (certainly as far as the ability to control our own destiny) but I'd like to think that our brains are far from fully developed when it comes to the ability to sound logic and understanding motive. (Mind-reading would be a great plus, wouldn't it?) In the meantime, one thing that seems to have evolved as an established science is the ability to control the masses and an understanding of the psychology behind the best methods by which that can be achieved. I always give Republicans (the right) "credit" for that. I always say it is the one thing they are good at. But whether that is "good" is another question. I guess that depends on whether you look at people like Rush Limbaugh or Karl "Bush's Brain" Rove as "brilliant" or Dr. Evil.
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Submitted by kata on Fri, 11/18/2011 - 6:08pm.
You are a hypocrite. You are everything you profess to be "bad".
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Yet again, "you people"?
Submitted by UpNorth on Fri, 11/18/2011 - 6:09pm.
And, Motherjones? Puh-leeze. I thought even an Occuturd like you could do better than MJ, MediaMatters and the rest. You never fail to live down to what we expect from you, Lazy and Sleepy.
But, at the rate you're going, the burnout is going to be spectacular, and something to be witnessed. The rest of your drivel, not so much.
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YEAH UpNorth - Attack The Messenger
Submitted by Clevenative on Fri, 11/18/2011 - 6:51pm.
Another favorite - You folks usually always go there first. If it ain't right-wing propaganda it must not be true.
Instead of playing the 3rd grade "attack the messenger" game - how about debating the facts presented in the MotherJones article - and let me know if you have proof of any of them being incorrect - OK?
I'm always humbled and happy when someone finds mistruths in what I post. Unlike SOME people, I wouldn't want to be spreading misinformation.
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Too easy, Lazy and Sleepy.
Submitted by UpNorth on Fri, 11/18/2011 - 7:09pm.
"he consistently targets dead people, little girls". Well, I haven't heard Rush target "little girls" like MJ claims, but he has attacked the dead people who vote for dems. I guess you're right, I'll fold my tent and steal off. Whoops, nope, you're such an easy target, Kosboy. There's no challenge, at all.
And, what is it with you racists on the left, it's always, "you people", "you folks"? In most of the city I worked in, someone would have slapped the stupid off your face for talking like that.
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Clevie-Poo...........you MUST
Submitted by killa37 on Fri, 11/18/2011 - 9:04pm.
Clevie-Poo...........you MUST tell me where I can get a 'right-wing handbook'. (Actually, I want to say that with a fake mid-western accent like John f**king Kerry saying 'where can ah git me won of dem dere huntin' licenses). I think I'm a right-wing whacko wingnut crazy teabagging circle-jerking idiot mind-numbed robot..............but I've never had the handbook to perfect my skills, and I'm most definitly not intelligent enough, or nuanced enough, to have gotten there by myself. Can you give me a link or an address so that I can send for one???
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Submitted by Denny Crane on Sat, 11/19/2011 - 5:10am.
You are using a lying hitpiece from 95 to justify your position?
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"You people" is racist?
Submitted by Clevenative on Fri, 11/18/2011 - 10:01pm.
It's only racist when it is talking about a race. But I don't suppose you'd get that.
I don't expect everyone to read every one of my posts, but I thought I made it clear that I am intentionally pigeonholing "you people" to make a point. The point being the way "you people" stereotype liberals (and most every other racial, religious, and ethnic group, etc.) ALL the time. Hmm - funny you would find it offensive when the shoe is on the other foot?
Am I, or am I not, talking to a "group-think" mentality? The "you folks" speaks to that group. If there is anyone who posts here that doesn't belong to that group, I sure as hell haven't met them yet – and in reading have never found any evidence – even from the "list of 4" regulars someone provided me that incorrectly labeled a few of those regulars as "liberals". (But hey, I understand, to "you people" everyone not far-right is a liberal). So, I say "you people" or "you folks" because "you" can be both singular and plural. If I am addressing YOU (the person I am replying to) I will use the word "you". I don't know another way around it – and if you can suggest something that you (or "you folks" LOL) won't find offensive, I'll be happy to use that term.
Actually the MotherJones link was the condensed version – You can read the entire article here. Be sure to note the list of Rush's "Big Fat Lies". And the article that follows if you want a further example of the Rush Limbaugh legacy. This data was compiled almost 6 years ago and his "legacy" hasn't gotten any better.
THIS IS YOUR HERO? This is the guy you listen to and actually BELIEVE? Or do you just listen for the "humor" – or because he feeds your hate – or because he says things you want to hear because they give you reason to feel good about the evil and misfortunes caused by many of the inequities you support (or that support you) ?
I also have explained that my biggest gripe, and the only real "problem" I have with today's Republican Party is the LIARS. And (as the "Big Fat Lies" list exemplifies) Rush is near the top of that list.
As I also explained, I have many conservative friends and family. The only problem I ever had with Republicans (before lying and cheating became an acceptable means to an end) is their tendency to coddle the wealthy and ignore the working class. Other than that, I have voted for Republicans many times in my life. I am probably the most fiscally conservative person you know. Today's Republican Party is not the party of conservatism – it's the party of the 1%. My guess is most of the regulars in here are in or near that group. Because I can't think of any other reason someone would support a party that has been legislating against their own best interests for the past 30 years.
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Submitted by Dave. on Fri, 11/18/2011 - 10:46pm.
Vote for the American in November
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once again Clev tries for the
Submitted by kata on Fri, 11/18/2011 - 10:10pm.
Liberal Hot Button Yahtzee.
You have a little spittle on your chin there, still...
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kata, I don't think that is spittle
Submitted by Dave. on Fri, 11/18/2011 - 10:51pm.
Vote for the American in November
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I call BS
Submitted by Free Stinker on Fri, 11/18/2011 - 10:11pm.
You are a Fiscal Conservative like Hillary Clinton is a bikini model.
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Yes stinker
Submitted by Clevenative on Sat, 11/19/2011 - 11:28am.
Because you "think" or say so.
I don't even own a credit card. I have refused to deal with banks (except for my mortgage at a Credit Union) since 1995. I am not buried in debt and pay as I go. Unlike SOME people, I understand the root meaning behind the word "conservative". Rather than mock it, I live by it. That includes a strict understanding of the need to CONSERVE our limited natural resources and do the best I can to assure that my footprint left on this planet to future generations is minimal.
Republicans, on the other hand, mock those values and take pride in their greed and self-indulgence - and many believe their God will somehow "take care" of their damage and that "he" gave them the earth to rape and pillage as they deem fit for their "needs".
When the country faced it's biggest challenge since WWII - in the aftermath of 9/11 Republican President GW Bush, rather than call for conservation and sacrifice of the American people, encouraged them to "go shopping". And go shopping they did. By the time GW left us with an economy falling off a cliff, the average American's debt was double that of when he first took office.
(I can't wait to hear the bogus "Barny Frank and Fannie Mae" finger pointing)
Republicans have turned the word conservative to mean exactly the opposite its true meaning. There are still a few of you who "get it" - but for the most part you've become so controlled by the extremists and corporate tools who have hijacked your party that you no longer are even able to nominate a true conservative to office.
As usual, just the facts.
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Not to get off-topic, Clevenaive,
Submitted by 26CX on Sat, 11/19/2011 - 11:42am.
but I just had to ask about this picture. Were you having a "bad face" day? ;)
Oh, and about that "really lazy and sleepy" thing? You might want to get your thyroid checked.
(H/T Upnorth)
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I know all about that link
Submitted by Clevenative on Sat, 11/19/2011 - 4:20pm.
I've had it thrown in my face B4. Plenty of lib-hating smear merchants out there, ya know.;)
Not to mention the fact that I've come across the nic used at numerous websites and online forums - of various themes and political persuasions.
I can't afford the Copyright or Trademark. LOL
BTW I'm way uglier than that. You'd cover your childrens' faces.;)
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We believe it. The crap
Submitted by bretzysdude on Sat, 11/19/2011 - 4:23pm.
We believe it. The crap you're spewing out more than likely matches your mug.
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Submitted by killa37 on Sat, 11/19/2011 - 12:38pm.
Wow, Clevie-Poo............your resume just keeps getting more and more impressive, except maybe the fact that you come from a well-known Republican family and you worked in the Republican process and did the fundraisers - which seems to embarrass the hell out of you, which - in itself - seems hard to do, given the continual barrage of stupid and idiotic statements that you continue to make.
But, with a long and illustrious career in the Fortune 500, and now some kind of union honcho (must be upper echelon, because you have so much time on your hands)..................and now we find out that you are flush with cash, and have no bills or debt, and eschew owning a credit card, and refuse to deal with banks. If I didn't know any better, I'd say that you were a drug dealer!!!
Which is probably pretty lucrative down at the OWS gatherings, huh???
You really seem to have a hard-on for 'Republicans', because it appears, from your point of view that they are the ONLY ones who have caused ALL of the problems that this country faces. My only guess, as far as this goes, is that you must have had your heart broken by some 'Republican' lover back when you were working, or fund-raising, for them, and you have had a 'hate hard-on' ever since then.
Since I don't call myself a 'Republican', I don't get worked up about your one sided 'hate-rants' (one of your favorite phrases - is it in that 'right-wing handbook' that you are going to give me the address of???)..............but I can't help but wonder why a guy who is, in his own mind, the smartest, most intelligent, most nuanced, most precient, most honest, and most truthful guy on this website these days - can't seem to recognize the fact that the left, the libs, the communists, the socialists.....and yes, the (gasp) Democrats..........have actually been guilty of instigating, encouraging, backing, and causing severe and possible irreversible damage to our economy, our liberty, our freedom, our status in the world, and the very foundations of our country??? Of course, I think, TRUTH be told, this is what you want.
As for the 'limited resources' statement................maybe you're not aware that most of the 'resources' on this planet are re-generatable and re-usable. And one more thing, since you're always harping on 'global warming' and the rest of that hogwash. You say you're 60 years old - what did you used to call winter, spring, summer, or fall back when you were a kid??? And if there is a new 'record high', or 'record low', or 'record rain', or 'record snow' set these days - breaking a record that was 50-100 years old - why wasn't it blamed on 'global warming' back then?? I refuse to call it 'climate change', because that is the wimpiest and most flaccid excuse of a phrase that these environmental dorks have come up with yet..................guess what, idiots, the climate actually DOES 'change'.................and it was doing it for a helluva lot longer than any of you were ever around. I can just imagine the dinasaurs being really upset with all of that 'climate change', as well as the pollution from those evil volcanoes!!!
Speaking of credit cards, debt, borrowing, spending, and 'paying as you go'..................does the name Barry Soetoro Barack Hussein Obama ring a bell???
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Oh please
Submitted by Clevenative on Sat, 11/19/2011 - 4:24pm.
Let's not make this all about me. You're giving me a big head.
Do you ever debate the facts around here? Or is it all just personal attacks? Is anyone in here out of high school yet?
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We debate Cleve*
Submitted by cajun2 on Sat, 11/19/2011 - 4:35pm.
However, posters pick apart everyone of your lies in each of your posts and they do so quiet easily. We cant address all your lies all at once so we do it one at a time.
Please continue with your regular scheduled program of pre arranged talking points.
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Oh please...............YOU
Submitted by killa37 on Sat, 11/19/2011 - 10:57pm.
Oh please...............YOU make it all about yourself............and you've allready got a big head, but it's filled with a lethal combination of hot air and flatulence.
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Don't have to finger point
Submitted by Denny Crane on Sat, 11/19/2011 - 10:29pm.
Your graph proves absolutely nothing. Probably because it is missing part of the story. Did you fail to see that the latest upward tick started in the early 90's?
Gee what's that flat part? From mid 80's to early 90's? I'm trying to think who was president then....
Who was it?.....
Oh that's right it was the great Ronaldus Magnus.
And his VP.
Who was the president that oversaw the most income disparity between CEO's and workers?
Hmmm, oh that's right it was Clinton too!
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You keep harping on lying, Clevenaive---
Submitted by matthewdean on Fri, 11/18/2011 - 10:22pm.
yet your posts generally contain nothing but lies.
A conundrum? Cupidity? Or are you just clueless?
Crazy, anyone?
Dave pretty much said it all; I second his motion.
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Clueless in Cleveland.
Submitted by Bhaal on Sat, 11/19/2011 - 4:49pm.
Clueless in Cleveland.
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Submitted by Michael30 on Fri, 11/18/2011 - 10:44pm.
Actually, saying "You people," is probably never a good idea. Especially when followed by insults and inuendo. You do yourself further dis-service by applying judgement on all people who post here by virtue of guilt by association.
The posters that you refer to have several reasons to, at the very least, dislike you, much less fire off what can only be described as; "disdainful disgust."
Rush Limbaugh is a talk show host, an extremely successful one, but one nevertheless. If you are under the impression that he somehow guides people on this site, then you seriously need to examine yourself. The boogeyman doesn't exist.
It's not like conservatives say that the seas would recede and the planet would heal itself and that he was The One... No, those distinctions were made about another man.
As for the coddling of the rich. Well, my employer makes money, he then pays me out of that money, then I get to hire more people. The other side of that political coin calls me a racist, homophobic, islamophobic, sexist evil individual on a disturbingly regular basis. Then they take my money and give it to others to secure votes. Yeah, nothing creepy about that at all.
You, my friend, are not here to debate nor enlighten, you are here to sow anger and discontent. We as Americans have enough enemies in this world, we need not more from within. You dishonor yourself and those that came before you by pretending otherwise.
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Submitted by matthewdean on Fri, 11/18/2011 - 10:48pm.
Spot on, as usual.
Don't be such a stranger.
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Mr. Dean
Submitted by Michael30 on Fri, 11/18/2011 - 11:01pm.
I suppose the pertinent question would be "Stranger than what?"
Usually I get on pretty late, so all the points have been made, besides, I'm not exactly the strongest conservative in the world. Though tonight I figured I'd treat Clevenative with respect and try to be decent.
What can I say, I love hopeless struggles.
Nice to hear from you again though.
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Mike...........maybe you need
Submitted by killa37 on Fri, 11/18/2011 - 11:04pm.
Mike...........maybe you need to read through any number of Cleventine's posts before you start throwing words like 'respect' and 'decent' around - it's a two-way street, you know???
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Submitted by Michael30 on Fri, 11/18/2011 - 11:14pm.
Oh, I've seen them. I read through this site most nights and even the articles that are out of date. I've seen what this man/woman is capable of. Still though, my father taught me to be respectful. Even in response to his ruminations about OWS protests and how all people that are conservative are somehow misguided at best, and ungodly at worst, I must maintain a semblence of manners.
I may not write alot here, but I read most posts... Hmmm, that sounds both creepy and sad at the same time.
P.S. In response to your other post, if you were really in the Groupthink, you would have your decoder ring by now... So...
1. The Crow Flies At Midnight.
2. The Clumsy Giant Dances Happily In The Moonlight
There ya go, now you're all caught up.
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OK Mike..........cool. I
Submitted by killa37 on Sat, 11/19/2011 - 12:18am.
OK Mike..........cool. I respect your class and manners. Personally, I always try to be even-handed and follow a 'live and let live' approach to life...............and I know that I can handle myself well. But on the rare occasions that I run into somebody who crosses the line..........it's toilet time, and I'm doing the flushing. And I'm pretty sure that there are a LOT of people here who feel the same way - 'group think' or not - so I don't think it is THEIR fault that they feel this way. You know, if a guy farts in a crowd of people, and it bothers everybody but him..........it's not their fault.
I need to order a decoder ring, I guess.............plus, I'm still trying to find out the address of the 'rick wing whacko' handbook.
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Submitted by Michael30 on Sat, 11/19/2011 - 12:43am.
I would venture to say that the people that have posted to this particular man/woman have been extremely patient.
Usually, where I come from, when one is called or insinuated to be a racist, that is the most vile thing a person can be accused of. In fact, you do not make an accusation like that unless you are standing up and in front of the person. Such an accusation basically says that your life and your opinions are not only wrong, but evil. No, I am impressed by how people have dealt with Clevenative. I'm usually more of a moderate, but I really haven't seen any responses to this person that were out of line, when seeing what the "tolerant" types said in the first place. Heck, I got along with Jer when I first showed up here, this Clevenative person just seems like a case of the red-ass waiting to happen.
As for the decoder ring, well, it doesn't help much, and usually spells the word Ronald for some odd reason.
The handbook is usually back ordered, so you may have to wait.
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'Red-ass'??? Is that a
Submitted by killa37 on Sat, 11/19/2011 - 12:55am.
'Red-ass'??? Is that a military term, or some kind of southern term?? I've heard it before, from the head pro of the Navy-Marine Golf Course in Honolulu, when my brother was the assistant pro.............my brother used to use it in his own lexicon, but it wasnt' anything that we learned when we were growing up.
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Submitted by Michael30 on Sat, 11/19/2011 - 1:12am.
Yeah, ain't the Internet grand, we learn so many horrid things.
The Red Ass was basically saying something was annoying to an unbearable extent.
My Great-Uncle was a combat engineer in WWII and he basically raised me in the summer, and he used to say that anytime something bothered him. I damn sure didn't know where it came from and I certainly didn't ask. It sounded bad.
Like BOHICA, FUBAR and God knows how many other things guys that spend way too much time around ordinance say, I just found it very apt in many situations.
P.S. If I had to guess, I'd imagine it came from the cavalry, riding on leather saddles with wool pants. That can't be fun.
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What is BOHICA??? I'm not
Submitted by killa37 on Sat, 11/19/2011 - 1:18am.
What is BOHICA??? I'm not familiar with that. My father was a US Army Infantry officer, so I am used to all of those letters that mean something..........but I've never heard that one, or if I did, it went over my head.
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Submitted by Michael30 on Sat, 11/19/2011 - 1:25am.
Sorry man, thought most guys had heard that one.
Bend Over Here It Comes Again. BOHICA
Basically means that you are used to being taken advantage of or getting the short end of the stick.
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Submitted by killa37 on Sat, 11/19/2011 - 1:41am.
Ahhhhhhhhhhh, OK...............I'll bet Clevie-Poo knows that one. Boy Barry too............
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Submitted by Michael30 on Sat, 11/19/2011 - 2:20am.
You know, to be honest, I actually think the current president bought into his own hype.
As for our Clevenative, well, anything to further the cause. It's disturbing, but sadly real on far too many occasions.
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You're right,
Submitted by killa37 on Sat, 11/19/2011 - 2:33am.
You're right, Mike..........and, actually, I think that Boy Barry was buying into his own hype a LOOOOOOOOOOOONG time before this whole Presidential scam presented itself. He's like some spoiled little punk whose parents NEVER told him the meaning of 'no', and NEVER taught him any common sense. And you wonder why his 'typical white grandmother' was kept under lock and key until she died RIGHT BEFORE his immaculation????
As for Clevie-Poo.............he's a pawn in the big chessboard of life...............but he thinks he's some kind of player. He got check-mated so long ago that he's got no other way of thinking..............
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Mike, don't forget TARFU.
Submitted by UpNorth on Sat, 11/19/2011 - 1:41am.
We used that one most of the time, because SNAFU just didn't address the situations.
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Submitted by Michael30 on Sat, 11/19/2011 - 2:00am.
Tall Asians R F*n Us? Holy crap! I knew you guys went through Hell there, but jumpin' Jehosephat! I suddenly don't mind payin' taxes if it helps givin' them some payback!
Actually, I never heard of that one, but there is no way that it ends well I'm guessing.
P.S. If I had to guess though, is it Tactical Assessment Recon F*d Up?
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Things Are Really Fouled Up in D.C., Mike ---
Submitted by matthewdean on Sat, 11/19/2011 - 3:04am.
but that is apparently normal, unfortunately.
One year during negotiations with the department hierarchy over pay and benefits, they were really jacking us around, so we had ball caps lettered with BOHICA, and wore them to the next negotiation session.
The board asked what the letters stood for, and we told them "Behind Our Heroes Is a Can do Attitude".
Fools bought it. :o)
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Killa and Mr. Dean.
Submitted by Michael30 on Sat, 11/19/2011 - 3:35am.
Mr. Dean,
Well, I was really hoping it wasn't my definition. That would have been horrible.
Though, if I remember correctly, you were in the Army as well as a police officer, so you would know the sayings far better than myself. But if you ever get bored and wanna see corruption, ditch D.C. and come take a look at Detroit. Ugh... It's like Beirut without the charming scenery.
Mr. Killa,
Well, it would seem you are right, the great philosopher Clevenative was but a whisper in a tornado. Guess I owe you a black cherry vodka. Ya rat bast'ad. Don't know how you do the surfing thing, sharks scare the ever loving pi*s out of me. Friggin' Jaws movie...
Edit, took out the part where my niece was calling.
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Hey Mike............I DID see
Submitted by killa37 on Sat, 11/19/2011 - 3:55am.
Hey Mike............I DID see a big, thick, mean looking tiger shark swim by me - about 20 yards away - a couple of winters ago!!
I could see his EVIL eye!!! Needless to say, I caught the next wave in!!! But - truth be known - they can do whatever they want, and I'm just a guy playing in THEIR turf, you know??? But I've been surfing in Hawaii since pre-statehood days.........so what can I do??? I"m safer out there than I am on the highway!!!
The 'rat bastard' is my ol' buddy Newsbubba............and Clevie-Poo is probably lucky that Bubba hasn't got involved in his juvenile horse manure............most people here could eat Clevie for breakfast, and still be hungry. But he's too damn stupid to know it........unfortunatly....(for him).
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Michael, I live about 2 1/2 hours west of the great cesspool.
Submitted by UpNorth on Sat, 11/19/2011 - 11:53am.
I just watched Mayor Bing acknowledge the obvious the other day, that Detroit is broke. Well, duh... Reading the comparisons of city employees to residents for the larger cities in Michigan, it's not rocket science to figure out why.
It worked out so well when Soulman Young started to make the city uninhabitable to the people who paid the taxes and they left. Detroit is, and has been for about 50 years, a living testament to how well Democrats run a governmental unit.
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Submitted by Michael30 on Sun, 11/20/2011 - 7:31am.
Yup, my father worked for NBD when that was a big thing, and when Mayor Young basically took them to war they moved out to Troy. Detroit lost a disturbing amount of jobs. His whole "Keep it north of 8 mile" thing probably didn't help much either.
After that, The Detroit News did a profile about "What is your favorite view of Detroit?" Most people had said something about the riverfront or the bridge to Canada, the one they didn't report was those who said "My favorite view of Detroit is in my rear-view mirror on I-75."
I'm about five minutes out of city limits, and the difference is astounding.
P.S. Sorry it took so long to respond.
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Hey Mike.............I've
Submitted by killa37 on Fri, 11/18/2011 - 11:02pm.
Hey Mike.............I've never seen you here - which is pretty weird for a place that engages in 'group-think' - but that is a well written and concise post. I like the part about the employment, since I've been self-employed for many many years. It's obvious that Cleventine is clueless about this, and many other, matters.
And the phrase - 'the enemy within' - is on perfect display when we're dealing with a guy like this............although personally, I think he's too stupid, or brainwashed (like his man-crush Boy Barry), to come close to understanding how dangerous he is to the future of this country................or, like Barry, he's totally aware of what he is doing, and is actually TRYING to destroy our nation. Either way, both of these clowns ARE anti-American traitors, and should be dealt with accordingly.
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And the alternative is?
Submitted by Clevenative on Sat, 11/19/2011 - 11:36am.
I'm still waiting for an alternative to "you people"? – and as I said will be happy to stick to it.
If people weren't influenced by Rush Limbaugh they wouldn't be defending him. I'm sick of hearing about him being "just an entertainer" – the same with Glenn Beck. Over recent years there are documented incidents of violence aimed at the focus their hate being taken to task. Don't pretend they have no influence.
I'm here to open your eyes to the lies and hypocrisy of your "leaders", the damage their "trickle up" ideology has done to this nation and the world, and the psychological methods they use to get the results they do from their propaganda and snake oil.
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So you are here as a messiah of sorts?
Submitted by drsamherman on Sat, 11/19/2011 - 4:20pm.
Hmm...now we're adding a martyrdom dimension to your profile.
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Prove it LIAR
Submitted by Denny Crane on Sat, 11/19/2011 - 10:38pm.
Over recent years there are documented incidents of violence aimed at the focus their hate being taken to task. Don't pretend they have no influence.
Prove this lie with links LIAR.
Show "us people" the documentation that proves any violence was initiated because of What Rush or Beck has stated.
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Admins, it's time to ban this lying dumbass commie troll
Submitted by Dave. on Sun, 11/20/2011 - 12:09am.
How much more of his third grade government education BS do we have to put up with?
This moron is the dumbest troll in the history of NB.
It's time for him to go.
Vote for the American in November
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At the risk of being found in the "echo chamber of
Submitted by UpNorth on Sun, 11/20/2011 - 12:23am.
right wing hate, etc, etc," I'll go along with Dave. Except that I think you're needlessly giving third graders and their union teachers a bad name by comparing them to Sleepy Clevey.
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Submitted by Michael30 on Sun, 11/20/2011 - 7:52am.
There is no alternative to "You people," which, to be honest, doesn't offend me in the least. I've heard it all my life, as have you probably. Some people have been giving you the jazz because that's the response one usually gets by saying such a thing to protected classes.
As to Rush Limbaugh or Glenn Beck influencing people. Yeah, that probably happens. In college I read The Communist Manifesto, yet I didn't raise a flag and start choppin' off heads of the hated rich. I read many things and yet to this day I'm not afraid of The Jaberwocky nor did I decide to kill John Lennon.
Everything in life has an influence on you. Heck, I'm drinking a beer right now and it is delicious. Yet, as I drink it, I don't feel the need to drive down the street to mow down my neighbors.
Most of us have no leaders, we have people that we need to tolerate only so long as they represent us. In fact, only the best of those representatives make us want to not vommit while we vote for them.
You may think me a brain dead zombie whose eyes you need to open, that is your right, but that doesn't mean I have to enjoy the accusation on a constant basis. That has nothing to do with snake oil nor propoganda, it is the First Ammendment.
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Submitted by killa37 on Fri, 11/18/2011 - 10:53pm.
Jeez, Clevie-Poo...........you started off a few days ago as just some leftist character, but you have managed - by design - to become a leftist charicature of a character..........and you seem to be pretty proud of it too, considering how much deeper and deeper you continue to go into your own delusional mindset.
ALL of your posts are pure horse manure, and it is YOU who is the most hateful, racist, bigoted, anti-American, anti-freedom, anti-wealth creation, anti-free thinking person here on this website. I'd also like to say 'homophobic', but I actually think that you're gayer than the Jack of Diamonds, so I'll leave that one out.
And...........seriously............given everything that you've written over the past few days, do you think that ANYONE here believes your stories about your well-known Republican roots, or your Fortune 500 work experience, or your union job - I'd still like to know about that one, becuase you sure have a lot of time on your hands, but hey...........maybe that's how unions work??? And you're too damn stupid to even understand the difference between 'Republican' and 'conservative'. I think you're pure bullsh*t, personally...................I think you're just another worthless loser who's not happy with his life, and is sitting there - probably on somebody else's dime - coming up with any excuse that you can to use as an alibi for your own impotence and uselessness.
And I'm IN the 1 %.............YEAH!!! That would be the 1% above ZERO, asshole. But I know quite a few REAL 1 percenters, and a lot of them have hired me and the people I work with...........and they also spend their EVIL money on a lot of other goods and services that 'trickle down' (ohhhhhhhhh, you HATE that phrase, don't you?? Well, it appears that OUR tax dollars are 'trickling down' to your pockets, meat!!!) to other businesses and working 'folks'.........................ya'know, Clevie-Poo, a LOT of people actually DON'T mind 'working' for a living...........which is a foreign concept to you and your maggot-infested OWS bowel movement buddies. Yeah..........they don't mind 'demanding' jobs, right?? I've got a better idea - why don't they go out and GET a godda*m job............or maybe even CREATE one - or more!!!
Jeez............I said this the other day, and I'll say it again.............you've got to be the biggest asshole I've ever seen on this website, and we've had our share. You've got them all beat, hands down. You've set a new LOW for the standard of being a complete idiot asshole.
'Group think'??? Hey, meat.............you ARE the cover of that book!!! And, by the way, did you send me an address so that I can buy the 'right-wing whacko' handbook...........I'm not doing a particulary good job of fulfilling my goal in life, and I need some direction so that I can become a bona-fide wingnut crazy teabagging mind-numbed right-wing robot.
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Republicans are SOOOO
Submitted by ant on Fri, 11/18/2011 - 11:12pm.
Republicans are SOOOO hateful, Cleve, yet you've lasted longer here than any of us could ever hope if we were to go to a lefty site and pull the same obnoxious, long-winded, fact-challenged posts. But that fact is wasted on you because you have moved up to mainlining the Kool-aid and you are a liar.
"The only problem I have ever had with Republicans......is their tendency to coddle the wealthy and ignore the working class." Hahahahahahah!
That Republican mink-coats and limousines thingy is old , worn-out, and untrue. Uh.....I believe there was just a NYTimes article criticizing a freshman 'TeaParty' type for not having much money in his bank account.
Democrats that made HUGE profits on insider trading( illegal for us peons BTW) AND sold millions in stock before the economic collapse as a result of this insider information, money 'working' people would have lost; Nancy Pelosi, Dick Durbin, John Kerry, Harry Reid.......
Rich people that use illegal alien labor at their vineyard, and sponsor a bill that makes employers not responsible for illegal workers health bills; Nancy Pelosi.
Rich people that support a luxury tax then hide their foreign-built yacht in another State to avoid taxes; John Kerry.
Rich people that call themselves Communist for the working-class, but after leaving Hah-vahrd, made 200,000 bucks defending an (evil) insurance company from paying out asbestos-health claims by the 'working class'.Elizabeth Warren
Rich people that have accepted record amounts of money from evil bankers and evil Wall Street; Obama
Rich people that have profited by having their own State Department purchase thousands of copies of their Autobiography; Obama
Rich people that have taken huge payoffs from evil pharmacuetical and allow them to write Health-care legislation; Obama
Rich people that have set-up bogus contractor offices, in which to earmark tax money, pour it into fake companies and pocket it themselves (Bonus-scumbags that have been busted in ABSCAM accepting bribes from Arabs and have not only not spent their lives in jail but have kept feeding at the public trough; John Murtha (D) may he rot in hell.
Rich people that enable illegal aliens to come here, depress wages, and live on the public dole,(thereby, hurting the American 'worker') huff incessantly and write over-burdening laws based on the false science of 'Climate-change', but fight a wind-farm proposal in Cape Cod that will ruin the view from his vast estate (Bonus- shows his love for the working-class by making a 'waitress sandwich' with Chris (loan money to Mexicans is a great idea) Dodd); Teddy boy, may he also rot in hell.
Rich people that call Americans lazy, soft, mean,and many other unpleasantries who, despite their own wealth, bill these lazy, mean taxpayers with a huge percentage of their 'vacations and travel'; The Obama's.
There are many more examples from Feinstein, Boxer, Rangel, Waters, et al, but I don't want to bore you. You get the picture (No, you probably won't). 7 of the 10 richest politicians in Congress are Democrats. Amazing that 'you people' are foolish enough to consider a jet-riding, champagne sipping Pelosi eating Chocolate-covered strawberries that you payed for, a fighter for the blue-collar worker. Lame.
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"I have many conservative friends and family".
Submitted by UpNorth on Sat, 11/19/2011 - 1:20am.
Sorry, Sleepy, I just don't buy it. Anyone equipped with the hate that you carry around doesn't have any friends, and I seriously doubt you have anyone who'd claim you as family.
But, like the mouse being batted all over the house, it is fun to watch you flail around, trying to be relevant.
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That's pretty good,
Submitted by killa37 on Sat, 11/19/2011 - 2:39am.
That's pretty good, UpNorth........I've watched my voracious hunter Oreo just torture these damn mice and rats that she catches............it's NO CONTEST!!! Even some of the bigger rats, which are at least half her size!!!
Yeah.........if this dimwit actually DOES have 'conservative', or 'Republican' (he's too stupid to know the difference) family and relatives..........I'm sure he's a total embarrassment - especially sitting up there in the OWS bowel movements, making all his posts on his EVIL corporate computer!!!
I still want to know what his union/job is.................he's got a LOT of time on his hands to sit there and insult people.
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Submitted by Clevenative on Sat, 11/19/2011 - 11:39am.
I coudn't care less what you buy. The only thing relevant to me is the truth - something in short supply around here.
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See my 12:34 a.m. post, Sleepy.
Submitted by UpNorth on Sat, 11/19/2011 - 11:59am.
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For a guy who keeps flapping
Submitted by killa37 on Sat, 11/19/2011 - 12:16pm.
For a guy who keeps flapping his jaws about 'truth', you sure as hell don't display any.
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Molly Ivins? Seriously, Molly Ivins?
Submitted by UpNorth on Sat, 11/19/2011 - 1:34am.
Stop. Laughing. Sides. Hurt. OMO. Too. Funny.
The best, the absolute very best you can do is to link to Molly Ivins?
Go home, Sleepy, you prove with every post now, that you aren't to be taken seriously.
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Keep up the paranoia.
Submitted by drsamherman on Fri, 11/18/2011 - 6:14pm.
You just keep racking up the symptoms, Clevie.
Between your narcissism and paranoia, you are going to be a textbook case of dissociative diagnostics.
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Hey look, it's of them tiny Irukandji jellyfish.
Submitted by SickofLibs on Fri, 11/18/2011 - 6:15pm.
Minuscule, but packed with venom.
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And failing to address his failure, NATCH
Submitted by Blonde on Fri, 11/18/2011 - 6:21pm.
I've had about enough of this sto'bought troll.
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Me too, B.
Submitted by SickofLibs on Fri, 11/18/2011 - 6:34pm.
Every post is like a Unibomber Manifesto.
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Well, SoL....
Submitted by Blonde on Fri, 11/18/2011 - 6:39pm.
...the kicking of the mean old conservies' azzes isn't going too well today for little man.
It happens.
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Wait a minute! Back the truck up!
Submitted by motherbelt on Fri, 11/18/2011 - 9:07pm.
Which is it, our "true colors" are on display every day, or they're going to be revealed when Chelsea starts at NBC?
That's quite a rant, for a liberal who's not "consumed with hate" for conservatives!
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I noticed you just posted the exact same thing over at DKos.
Submitted by SickofLibs on Fri, 11/18/2011 - 1:02pm.
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What's with the hair????
Submitted by motherbelt on Fri, 11/18/2011 - 12:51pm.
Jeez, lady, did your stylist quit, do you think it makes you look hip, or do you just not care any more?
It doesn't make you look young; it makes you look like a 60-year-old woman trying to look young.
OK, that's my catty comment of the day.
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It's very strange
Submitted by Blonde on Fri, 11/18/2011 - 12:57pm.
She seems to be going for a Garafolo look, not flattering at ANY age. Ew.
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Well at least Hillary's is
Submitted by motherbelt on Fri, 11/18/2011 - 1:03pm.
Well at least Hillary's is clean.
You have to admit, it used be stylish.
Maybe Bill likes it long.
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More like Huma likes it long
Submitted by Blonde on Fri, 11/18/2011 - 1:19pm.
...and I've seen it rather limp (dirty) too.
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Bill likes it Long
Submitted by Schofield Kid on Fri, 11/18/2011 - 5:32pm.
Ha! Good one MB, I bet he just can't keep his hands (or cigars) off of her!
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Checking the pic, Shrillary looks like
Submitted by UpNorth on Fri, 11/18/2011 - 1:04pm.
she accompanied the FLOTUS when she had her botox treatments. The sag under the chin seems to have been "repaired",
But, she really needs to get away from Watercan-Schitz's hairdresser. The look does nothing for her.
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Getting ready to do a time trial..
Submitted by upcountrywater on Fri, 11/18/2011 - 5:13pm.
Heck a helmet is cheaper...
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A more relavent for Mr. Todd
Submitted by John21 on Fri, 11/18/2011 - 2:11pm.
A more relavent for Mr. Todd is there a single honest journalist at national propaganda agency he works for?
I didn't think so
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Who the F is Hillie the C to make that determination?
Submitted by ConservaSerb on Fri, 11/18/2011 - 2:28pm.
How about axing her if Panetta should be spewing stupidity the way he is?
What would make one "bad" at being able to "answer the 3:00 a.m. call?" If you're a flaming commie or pussified liberal. Other than that, all it really takes is the ability to comprehend what your military experts are telling you . . . balance the potential effects upon allies . . . and making sure what you're doing is in the best interests of AMERICA and its allies.
It's not like not knowing how many states there are . . . or not knowing where Hawai'i, your supposed birth state is . . . or not knowing how to pronounce "corpsmen."
A wise & frugal government, which shall leave men free 2 regulate their own pursuits of industry & improvement, & shall not take from the mouth of labor the bread it has earned - this is the sum of good government. T. Jefferson
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Obama was the target of the 3 am phone call ad
Submitted by UltraC on Fri, 11/18/2011 - 2:35pm.
Did Todd purposely gloss over the fact that it was Hillary's 2008 primary presidential campaign that used the 3 a.m. phone call to imply then-Sen. Obama was not up to the task? Hillary didn't forget, considering her answer didn't say anything about the Republican candidates, but sounded like she was acknowledging that she thinks her boss is up to the task.
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funniest thing I've read in a while
Submitted by Agnostic on Fri, 11/18/2011 - 3:55pm.
"Too Much Overt Talk About Iran Weakens Covert Efforts"
1) A liberal writing about overtly talking about covert plans - too funny for words
2) Mentions JFK, hero of course, and his actions in Missile Crisis without mentioning concessions made
3) Implies we should do to Iran what we did to Cuba - quarantine / Hilariously, we should isolate Iran who is surrounded by nations that oppose the US and is only a stones throw from Russia which is openly aiding Iran.
4)We should enforce UN resolutions - I need help off the floor, oh my. One of the many good lines in A Few Good Men ""I strenuously object?" Is that how it works? Hmm? "Objection, your Honor." "Overruled" "No, no. I STRENUOUSLY object." "Oh. You strenuously object. Then I'll take some time and reconsider."
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Did she resign?
Submitted by Denny Crane on Sat, 11/19/2011 - 5:18am.
"Well, you know, I'm out of politics, happy to be out of politics."
When did the Sec State not become a political position? Can you imagine how much hell Condi Rice would have received over a comment like that?
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No one here listens or R influenced by Rush, they just quote him
Submitted by Clevenative on Sat, 11/19/2011 - 12:21pm.
People who are in appointed to positions in government are not "in politics'. I doubt anyone (else) would find anything wrong with that statement, even if Condi Rice had said it. But don't let me stop you from using your unprovable hypothetical arguments to bash a progressive woman.
As a matter of fact - Condi Rice has been encouraged and asked many times to run for office and she specifically stated that she has never had any desire to be in politics. I don't have the exact quotes, but I'll be happy to look them up for you if you doubt my paraphrase.
As for the "We Are The 53%"...
Why do these people think they are the only ones who play by the rules and have "earned everything they have"? Why are they so STUPID as to buy into the Republican narrative and continue to vote against their own best interests? That is the biggest puzzle of American politics today.
These people who claim they "never rely on government" are only kidding themselves. I'd bet my left nut that the woman who was laid off 3 times and claims she got by because of "God and her conservative values" was in line for unemployment just like the millions of others who have been affected by the actions of their heroes. She's probably also received tax breaks for her mortgage and her children, and used my tax dollars to subsidize and educate them - and on and on and on and on.
We ALL pay taxes - and the working poor pay more, as a percentage of total income or assets, than anyone else. Statistics recently released show that half of all workers made less than $26,364, the median wage in 2010 - while the number of millionaires increased by about 20 percent.
Even if those individuals paid ZERO net federal income taxes they STILL paid a larger percentage of their income on taxes (other taxes like FICA, sales, real estate, excise, state and local taxes, etc.) than any other social-economic group. But of course, "you people" don't get that - must be over your "I got mine" snobbish heads.
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More steaming excrement from
Submitted by killa37 on Sat, 11/19/2011 - 1:06pm.
More steaming excrement from the KING of horse manure!!! And, meat, I ask you again - why is it ONLY the 'Republicans' fault?? That guy must've really hurt you!!! I"m going to start calling you 'half-man' (well, you DID say you'd give your left nut, right??? I noticed it was your LEFT nut - what a bust!!! Hahahahahaha!!!), because you only seem to operate on half a brain in half a world with half the information.
So, this lady who was laid off 3 times and got by because of God and her conservative values..........who was she??? Sounds like a made-up statement to me. And, even if it's true, why did she get laid off 3 times??? And why is unemployment so high??
And who, exactly, are her 'heroes'???
And she received tax breaks for her mortgage and her children - and used YOUR tax dollars to subsidize them and educate them?? Let's parse these statements a little bit, meat.............you lay claim here on this website that you have a mortgage, right??? So you're saying that you don't take any of the write-offs or deductions or any other processes offered, with regards to mortgage, when you do your taxes??? Wow............you are either REALLY flush with cash, or you're a TRUE 'conservative', as you have bragged about in another post, or you're flat out lying -which is probably the real answer.
I'd ask you if you have children, but I think it would be a wasted question, so I won't even go there.
Now - next item - she is subsidizing and educating HER kids on YOUR tax dollars, right?? Haven't you stated - right here on the website - that you work for a union?? And you seem to be upper echelon, because you've got a LOT of time on your hands. And if it's a public union, then actually YOUR tax dollars and being paid by OUR tax dollars............which might be a concept that you would find hard to understand. And if you're in a private union, you can be sure that the union is skimming not only the employer, but also the employee. And, smart guy, surely you know that the employer pays HALF of your FICA and Medicare, as well as contributing to state and federal unemployment funds - maybe you've never been self-employed, but I have, and I've paid a LOT of money to a LOT of other people's causes - and that doesnt' even START to list all of the insurance companies and bonds and fees and local, state, and federal taxes, as well as any fines, penalties, or interest that might have been thrown into the mix.
Keep trying, meat..............one of these days, you might say something that makes sense - but I doubt if you'll last long enough here on this website to do it, because your attitude and your continual insults and derision aimed at the rest of the clientele here isn't going to be tolerated..................I'd say you're way past your shelf-life, at this point.
The number of millionaires went UP by 20% since 2010??? Care to give us proof of that???
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killa, The good thing is that he won't be renting any cars.
Submitted by upcountrywater on Sat, 11/19/2011 - 2:10pm.
Also he Clevster is unaware what the TEA party stands for...
Taxed Enough Already...
Beings he a union cash man, he pays close to zero taxes.
The outer island of Maui is crawling with seared waste cases as this hating lefty.
It's Good thing we are not hearing his vocal cords squeal out these words.
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You really do HATE the working class
Submitted by Clevenative on Sat, 11/19/2011 - 4:46pm.
Are you all from The South? I never experienced the union-haters 'til I move South. And never will understand it. Is it jealousy or what?
When the Tea Party actually stood for "Taxed Enough Already" I felt some comradery and understood "the cause". They soon made it evident what they were really all about. Anti-government "libertarians" representing the most selfish of the selfish - led mostly by the dog-whistle "states rights" "nationalistic" bigots and funded by the same corporate thieves and environmental rapists who have been taking us down the path to a Corporate Oligarchy for decades now - and hell-bent in eliminating or re-writing half the amendments to The Constitution and "privatizing" every Democratic accomplishment of the past century as part of their ultimate goals. What you call patriotism - many consider treason.
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my my cleve*
Submitted by cajun2 on Sat, 11/19/2011 - 4:52pm.
Your ignorance and bigotry keeps showing up.
The south does not hate the working class, the south IS the working class. True, the south does not like Unions and if you do not know why, then that is another example of your skewed and limited education.
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Enough troll. Take a hike.
Submitted by The Vet on Sat, 11/19/2011 - 4:55pm.
You have done nothing but play to a caricature of hate that only you and you alone prescribe. You are one of the most nasty vicious trolls that has come down the pike in a long time. And I have seen more than my fair share.
Now take a hike and start trolling at troll hell where you belong.
Troll Alert - Clevenative - insulting bigoted rant troll.
Enough of you and your bigoted horsepoo aimed at everyone that simply disagrees with you.
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Ever take a look at Detroit, Pontiac, Flint, Gary, In,
Submitted by UpNorth on Sat, 11/19/2011 - 5:00pm.
Saginaw, Mi? All good union towns, take a look at them now. What happened? The unions priced the jobs out of existence.
Signing bonuses for the UAW? Having to pay a union to be able to work? No thanks, most people rightly reject the notion that they owe money to someone as contemptible as James Hoffa, just to work. Unionized teachers marching to shut down the Port of Oakland? SEIU rigging elections? SEIU preaching revolution? Does any of this even register in your lib-dim brain, Sleepy?
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You literally personify everything the left
Submitted by bkeyser on Sat, 11/19/2011 - 5:07pm.
claims to abhor. By every measure, you attempt to define and separate people into specific little groups so that it's easier for you to try to take them down. You put people in the back of the bus. You refuse certain people from drinking of certain water fountains. You do this because you are unable to otherwise put forth your agenda- it's the divide and conquer strategy of progressive politics.
In one comment, you've ascribed southerners, Tea Party associates, libertarians, bigots, corporate shills, the working class and patriots; each by your own definition. Funny though, it seems to me that you can be from Alabama and work for a major corporation and still vote democrat. Or, you could be a black woman from Michigan and support Ron Paul. But not in your world - oh no. Everyone must be shoehorned in their own little category else the world becomes too complicated. It must be sad to be the classic definition of a bigot- accusing everyone of being that which you obviously display.
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He is a bigot pure and simple.
Submitted by The Vet on Sat, 11/19/2011 - 5:15pm.
Hatred based on political ideology, the only acceptable form of bigotry left. And this troll excels at it.
Imagine if the following were said about Jews or Blacks or women or homosexuals or you name your prejudice ---
You hate gays - you hate non-Christians (especially Muslims and Atheists) - you hate the poor - you hate unions and labor movements - you hate a woman's right to choose - you hate Mexicans, "foreigners", and all minorities - you hate a half dozen articles of the Constitution that you'd like to see amended or repealed - and most of all you hate liberals or anything that can be perceived as liberal (i.e. anything NOT far-right) - you hate science, especially science that challenges your religious beliefs or threatens your status quo - you hate knowledge and education (keep 'em stupid so they don't know any better) . And you're not ashamed to admit any of it. Most of your are quite proud of your "rights" to bigotry and hate
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Well, Clevenaive
Submitted by 26CX on Sat, 11/19/2011 - 5:11pm.
Since conservatives outnumber liberals 2-1, I'm guessing that the number of people who think the TEA party principles are patriotic outnumber those who don't by... well, 2-1.
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Union haters
Submitted by Radical1979 on Sat, 11/19/2011 - 5:16pm.
Those would people like the couple from Michigan who care for their two disabled (adult) children and were forced to pay dues to the SEIU as "professional home health care workers" even though they don't accept a paycheck. Meanwhile the union dues pay large salaries to union officials and back politicians these people do not necessarily agree with.
Those would people whose small business's have closed because the union labor costs made it impossible to turn a profit.
Those would be workers who are denied work because they chose not to work for a union.
They don't have to be down South to feel this way.
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Again, why is this venomous little wretch still here?
Submitted by SickofLibs on Sat, 11/19/2011 - 5:26pm.
I don't get it. It should be obvious by now that it's sole purpose here is to create a sh*storm on every thread.
So what's it gonna take? Personal death threats?
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That's right the most southern state.
Submitted by upcountrywater on Sat, 11/19/2011 - 5:27pm.
Hawaii is up to it's eyeballs in unions.
You first! Give away your private property starting with your home. Your home is an environmental rape on the landscape, give it away, so you don't come across as a hypocrite.
Democratic accomplishment!!!! Like Solyndra! funded by tax payers...
Government Motors...Government Electric....
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Talk about envy and projection.
Submitted by UpNorth on Sat, 11/19/2011 - 4:16pm.
Someone's entire argument is based on "I'd bet", "She's probably" and "Even if".
Wow, just wow, Sleepy. Or did you get relief from the other one of the dwarfs residing in your basement, you know the one, Dopey?
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I love how libs like Clevie
Submitted by ant on Sat, 11/19/2011 - 5:23pm.
I love how libs like Clevie cite the disparity of the working poor, their horrendous burdens, etc. and the evil wealthy are living high on the hog through rape and pillage, even using the year 2010 as an example, but never stop to ask "Why, with a Democrat President and a majority Democrat Congress was this injustice not halted?", "Why have the liberal Heroes of the working class allowed this to continue?". Just once, I'd like to see this answered. How can a Democrat majority, the most noble and truth-seeking stewards of justice, be stopped by a minority of those evil Republicans?
You don't have to be stupid to be a Democrat, just an unconsionable liar.
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Try again LIAR
Submitted by Denny Crane on Sat, 11/19/2011 - 11:39pm.
Secretary of state Hillary Clinton is fourth in the line of succession to the POTUS. If you think it is not a political position you are a moron. When the SecState goes and meets and with world leaders and government officials from around the world it is pure politics at the highest level. Just because the position is not voted on by the public doesn't make it non political.
Yes, I doubt your paraphrase, since every other turd you have dropped on these threads is full of holes, I'm pretty sure that one is too.
As far as my tagline linking to a website, you are a moron, you are attacking people that have put there own stories out there. I do not know those people, yet you are showing your hatred for them based on absolutely no proof. Bet your left nut? Bust out the tweezers and magnifying glass and get to slicing.
Next a tax break for a mortgage is not RELYING ON GOVERNMENT. Paying less taxes is not the same as being subsidized by the govmint. I don't see tax deductions listed anywhere here. Using your tax dollars to educate her children? That's just plain STOOPID. Child education in the USA is compulsory. Everyone's tax dollars pay for almost every child's education. Your bigotry is showing again. How dare those conservatives use MY tax dollars to educate their kids!?
We all pay taxes. But to say that the working poor pay more of a percentage of their income in taxes than the wealthy is ANOTHER LIE propagated by the left. Including ALL taxes, property, GET, sales, state, payroll, etc.. Those in the bottom quintile pay about 13% in taxes. while the next quintile pay about 23%, next the mid quintile pay about 28%, fourth quintile pay 31% and the top 20% pay over 34%. source page 24. Here is a different source that shows similar numbers.
While you are complaining about people not relying on government, you might also like to know that the lower quintiles also receive a much larger piece of the government pie. For every tax dollar the "poor" pay they receive $14 back. Compared to the richest 20% that get less than 60 cents on the dollar in benefits for their share of the tax burden.
The median income is over 49,000. So that is another LIE.
while the number of millionaires increased by about 20 percent.~clevenaive The sad part is that you think that is a bad thing. The more people that become millionaires the better. The majority of them become millionaires by expanding the pie and creating more wealth. this benefits everyone. Idiots like you just can't seem to understand the concept of wealth creation. You morons think that it is finite.
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