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|Mon, 06-18-2007 - 6:11pm
Hey, I think this merits its own thread. So I'm moving it. It's an article written by a provider, with thoughts about mental illness after depression. I'm very interested to hear what you all think about mental health effects of abortion itself or of the harassment women who abort go through.
Post Abortion Syndrome: Myth or Reality
by William F. Harrison, M.D., M.D., FACOG
Copyright (c) 2007 William F. Harrison, M.D., FACOG -- all rights reserved
I first became aware of the term Post Abortion Syndrome in the mid 1980s. In 1984, my office, where I provide elective abortion, began to be picketed by a fellow with a doctorate in education who billed himself in the phone book as a "Christian Counselor". After a few months of his picketing activity, I accepted a challenge from him to have a discussion about abortion on one of the local radio talk shows. He showed up with a fundamentalist Baptist preacher in tow and we had our discussion.
During this encounter, Dr. Pursley (for such was his name) mentioned that the reason that he had become interested in the abortion issue was because he had seen so many women with Post Abortion Syndrome (PAS). He characterized it as a condition marked by depression, flashbacks, severe regret, even agony and suicidal ideation about one or more abortion experiences that the women had previously experienced. Pursley maintained that he had seen scores of these women in his practice. At that time, I had done only a few hundred elective abortions since most abortions in my region were performed at other physician's offices. This was about to change, however, because I soon became the only physician openly providing elective abortion for a wide radius around my office. Over the intervening years I have done almost 18,000 of these procedures in my office and seen almost all these patients back for short-term care, and at least 10,000 or more for longer term follow up.
During all this time, I kept reading about PAS and hearing it discussed in various Pro-Life forums. There seemed to be no question in the minds of the Pro-Life activists discussing this entity that it does in reality exist. And over the years I have talked to, read and heard the opinions honored by the vast majority of social workers, psychologists, psychiatrists, Pro-Choice ministerial counselors and others who might be expected to see women displaying symptoms of this syndrome, who swear that it does not exist, that they have never seen a patient with such a syndrome. Is PAS a myth, or is it real?
In my opinion, Post Abortion Syndrome is real. But the only people seeing it are those counselors with a strong fundamentalist religious commitment who are also strongly Pro-Life in their politics. Why are they seeing this syndrome while the vast majority of mainstream counselors are not?
There are millions of American women each year who experience and are diagnosed with major depressions. Many of these patients suffer from the symptoms of depression on a regular basis. While I am not a psychiatrist, I am told that depression is our most common psychological diagnosis. Additionally, there are now some 40,000,000 plus American women who have undergone one or more abortions since 1973. These abortions have been done for a variety of reasons, some of the problems linger long after the abortion. These include social, medical and economic difficulties as well as long-term relationship problems with spouse and significant others. Many girls and women having abortions are trapped in intolerable situations that are, in and of themselves, causes of major sadness. In my practice, I have seen thousands of women who presented with problems that they felt were overwhelming and the expressed reason they sought abortion. When first seen, nearly all patients will, if asked, relate their fear and remorse about being pregnant and feeling compelled to abort. Many think of themselves as failures for being in the position that they feel it necessary to abort. Many are tremendously angry at themselves and/or their partner. I have never seen or heard of a patient who expressed happiness at her need for an abortion.
I see well over 60% of all my abortion patients back for a 2 weeks post-abortion evaluation. Almost without exception, these patients express no regret and remorse, no guilt or fear of long-term problems. Indeed, the average woman's almost universal emotion is an overwhelming sense of relief that she is no longer pregnant and thus no longer anticipates compounding, with the birth of a child, the problems that she was facing pre-abortion, many of which she must still confront.
Because these women are just as "at risk" of a depression at some point in the future as anyone else, they run the risk of falling into the "therapeutic" clutches of one or more of the "Pro-Life counselors" who are diagnosing all these Post Abortion Syndrome patients. Willingly or sometimes unwittingly, their history is obtained by these "counselors", and major emphasis is placed on previous abortion experience. They are authoritatively informed that their problems all stem from the abortion(s) that they have undergone in the past.
How do women get directed to these "counselors" most likely to "find" post abortion syndrome? Some are self-referred, others are guided by anti-abortion zealots who have discovered their past, many are sent by Pro-Life ministers and ministerial counselors, some by so called "crisis pregnancy centers". A few are even referred by supposedly legitimate physicians of fundamentalist religious bent. But all women diagnosed with PAS have three things in common: they have had one or more abortions, they are having or will have significant psychological problems, and they are now members or will become involved with an anti-abortion fundamentalist religious group.
What of the millions of women who have undergone abortion, have depression and are not diagnosed by their therapists as having PAS? Is it that their therapist is just plain inadequate and therefore unable to make this diagnosis? Or could it be that those therapists seeing and treating PAS patients are themselves creating the syndrome? Or is the patient's new fundamentalist religious commitment somehow at fault? After all, many consider a belief in the teachings of all fundamentalist religions potentially delusional. What is one of the major elements in the diagnosis of a major psychosis? Delusions!
After long years of observation of women with depression, of others caught in the grip of religious fundamentalism, and of thousands of women who have had abortions, it is my thesis that while abortion seems a necessary component of Post Abortion Syndrome which, again, I now believe to be real - it is not the etiological or causative factor in PAS. Following Koch's postulates concerning factors associated with various bacteriologic diseases, the third element after abortion and depression - that is present in every patient diagnosed with Post Abortion Syndrome, is religious fundamentalist post-abortion counseling. While many millions of religiously fundamentalist women have had abortions, and many millions of others have had depressions, unless they fall under the spell of one of the militant Christian PAS counseling "specialists", they do not have the long-term problems that might be called "post abortion syndrome". These religious fundamentalist psychiatrists, psychologists, social workers and the "Christian Counselors" who claim they are seeing large numbers of PAS patients are like the footbinders who worked to make women's feet "beautiful" in China until a century or so ago. In order to prevent the feet of upper class female children from growing into the (it was thought) grotesquely ugly "big foot", the feet of female children were bound tightly at a very young age. This resulted in tiny, grossly deformed and almost totally dysfunctional feet and reportedly was the cause of great suffering among the female children who were subjected, with the best of intentions, to the gentle mercies of the footbinders. Christian fundamentalist PAS counselors are the modern day equivalent of the footbinder, responsible for much suffering - and more than a little mental deformity and dysfunction.
We must conclude that it is not abortion per se which causes the very real entity, Post Abortion Syndrome. Rather, it is extreme anti-abortion bias of much of Christian fundamentalism and of the fundamentalist counselors who diagnose and "treat" PAS.
These counselors should come with the following Surgeon General's warning:
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|Tue, 06-19-2007 - 9:46am
Well, there is no doubt that an unwanted/unexpected pregnancy is a crisis. Abortion is not a pleasant experience, and I'd like to add that the need for the procedure stems from the crisis.
We all know now that not only life threatening experiences can lead to PTSD. Also, it isn't an unfair assumption that many, many of these young women who abort their unwanted pregnancies are already in less-than-favourable domestic situations. The crisis of an unwanted pregnancy and the need for an abortion coupled with a bad domestic partnership that can indeed be abusive in some nature can certainly prequalify someone with suceptibility to having PTSD, into suffering from it IMO.
I've always thought that the involvement of fundamentalist/pro-life/politically motivated anti-abortion groups after abortion can exacerbate any grief a woman is going through with abortion. Without meaning to, they shame these woman with their language and beliefs. They do so at a very vulnerable time. To me, it isn't at all far fetched to believe that PAS could be a form of PTSD, or for those already suffering from PTSD, CPTSD (there are far more of us out there than believed, and many are misdiagnosed and/or not under the care of a qualified physician). That's why I believe the majority of PAS "discoveries" come from the fundamentalist/anti-abortion crowd and why I don't believe there is a separate disorder called "Post Abortion Syndrome". I also believe that the "vast numbers" of PAS diagnoses are unfounded. These diagnoses are not made from qualified professionals but from agenda-driven people who are not experts in psychology. PAS is neither defined in the DSM-V, nor slated for addition in the upcoming revision (not sure if it's already in print). The fact that it's called "PAS" is proof to me on its own that the persons coining the term and dignosing women are not caring for these women objectively.
|Tue, 06-19-2007 - 3:01pm
"In my opinion, Post Abortion Syndrome is real. But the only people seeing it are those counselors with a strong fundamentalist religious commitment who are also strongly Pro-Life in their politics. Why are they seeing this syndrome while the vast majority of mainstream counselors are not?"
I found this paragraph interesting and thought that maybe the connection is that possibly these women don't have regret or don't feel the "syndrome" as they call it until some point in their life when they come to know God and realize that the child they aborted was created by God? Before that they never looked at their termination in that way?
It makes sense to me because we've discussed the "religious" connection here on the board...that the majority of prolifers also are Christians or believe that the unborn are created by God...therefore when terminating we are killing a life created by God. So it makes sense that the Christian counselors would see this "syndrome" more often than the fundamentialist or non Christian counselors....doesn't it?
|Tue, 06-19-2007 - 3:22pm
Wouldn't that require that all women who have abortions but don't suffer from "PAS" are out of touch with God, and have no religion?
I think that many of the women who have posted here about their abortion feel a deep connection with God, whether that's the Christian God or another, and yet don't feel "PAS". And Dr. Harrison, for example, feels moved to provide abortions out of his Christian faith. How does that reconcile?
|Tue, 06-19-2007 - 3:51pm
I think those who are pro-life or who are so vehemently opposed to abortion are definitely religious. It certainly makes sense that this *syndrome* is more prevalent among those who are devout to their religion/god.
For me, it's about science and biology. I don't see conception, pregnancy or birth as a *miracle*.
I find one of the biggest problems I have with organized religion (besides the hypocrisy)is the guilt/regret factor. Religion does a really good job making someone feel guilty for their mistakes but it does nothing to teach a person how to forgive themselves and rather forces a person to rely on *something* else to forgive them. Organized religion makes one blind to reality because it is wholly based on faith.
I believe this is an issue for society in general but is more easily overcome.


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By the Book: Valerie Gordon's Chocolate CookiesFebruary 11th 03:02pm, 2014
I love dessert, particularly cookies. They're the perfect end to a meal, and the possibilities are endless. They can be sweet, savory, sophisticated, nostalgic … whatever.
Valerie Gordon's new book, Sweet, has a chapter on cookies I knew I would tackle. (Although the celebration desserts chapter sounded cute, it looked too ambitious for a weekday.) The cookie chapter had something for everyone from classics like oatmeal raisin and gingersnaps to creative recipes like coconut-finger lime cookies. This is February though, and we're all really into chocolate right now, so I made Gordon's chocolate cookies.
Even though they are thin, fragile little things, chocolate dough studded with bittersweet chocolate chips makes for rich cocoa taste, and a mild hit of kosher salt rounds out the flavor. And best of all, they were really easy to make.
Chocolate Cookies
Makes 50 cookies
Some people might call this a brownie in a cookie because it tastes as chocolately as a fudgy brownie. Follow the directions closely – the cookies are exceptionally delicate when warm and will break if you try to move them too soon after baking.
1 cup all-purpose flour
1/3 cup unsweetened cocoa powder
¼ tsp. baking powder
1½ tsp. kosher salt
2 sticks unsalted butter, softened
1½ sugar
1 large egg
1 Tbsp. whole milk
1 tsp. vanilla extract
1½ cups 61-percent bittersweet chocolate chips or bittersweet chocolate, finely chopped
• Sift together the flour, cocoa powder, baking powder and salt into a medium bowl. Set aside.
• In the bowl of a stand mixer fitted with the paddle attachment (or in a large bowl using a handheld mixer), cream the butter and sugar on medium speed until light and fluffy, about 4 minutes. Add the egg, mixing well. Add the dry ingredients and continue beating until the batter is smooth. Add the milk and vanilla, then add the chocolate chips, beating until combined.
• Turn the dough out onto a cool surface, form it into a disk, and wrap in plastic wrap. Refrigerate until firm, approximately 2 hours.
• Position the racks in the upper and lower thirds of the oven and heat the oven to 350 degrees. Line two heavy, large baking sheets with parchment paper or silicone liners.
• Using a 1-ounce scoop, scoop the dough onto the lined baking sheets, spacing the cookies 2 inches apart, or use a measuring spoon to scoop heaping tablespoons of dough on to the sheets. Let the dough come to room temperature.
• Bake the cookies for 11 minutes, or until they lose their shine. Let cool on the baking sheets on cooling racks for 10 minutes.
• Using an offset spatula, transfer the cookies to a cooling rack to cool completely.
• The cookies can be stored in an airtight container up to 4 days (These cookies are quite fragile and do not freeze well.).
There's a lot of mediocre cookies out there. What's the best cookie you ever had and what made it so special? Tell us about it in the comments section below for a chance to win a copy of Sweet. We'll announce the winner in next week's By the Book column.
And now, we'd like to congratulate Susan, whose comment on last week's By the Book column has won a copy of Mast Brothers Chocolate: A Family Cookbook. Susan, keep an eye out for an email from the Sauce crew!
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27 Responses to "By the Book: Valerie Gordon's Chocolate Cookies"
Amy Wallerstein Says:
February 11th, 2014 at 5:57 pm
I love David Lebowitz's Salted Chocolate Chip Cookie recipe. I've made a lot of different recipes for this classic cookie, but his combination of using a good salted butter and cut pieces of good quality chocolate make all the difference.
Patty Says:
February 12th, 2014 at 12:48 pm
My absolute favorite cookie is a chocolate macaroon with a caramel filling. It's just perfect. Not too sweet but sweet enough. Perfect with a cup of coffee or a glass of Port.
K. Koehler Says:
February 13th, 2014 at 3:12 pm
My parents make Springerles for Christmas – they're crispy yet fluffy and have a wonderful anise taste – making them got all of us into the kitchen together when I was a kid.
Jane Gram Says:
February 18th, 2014 at 10:11 am
The humble chocolate peanut butter no-bake cookie is my favorite. The fact that they're humble and easy is why I love them so much. I never tire of making or eating them!
Luke Says:
February 18th, 2014 at 10:14 am
Growing up my family lived on the other side of the state from my grandparents. So everytime there was a holiday, summer vacation, spring break we all loaded up and went to see them. I don't ever recall being in my grandmother's house and there not being metal tins full of sugar cookies. Decorated a dozen different ways from sprinkles to icing and more.
Kristine W. Says:
February 18th, 2014 at 10:19 am
My best friend's mother makes cashew cookies that are utterly sinful. They're sweet, they're salty, and they have a decadent brown butter frosting topped with a cashew. We used to get together every Christmas to make them, and I wish we still did. So very delicious!
Michele Says:
February 18th, 2014 at 10:35 am
Grandmas Italian jugileni cookies, because grandma made them with love
Linds Says:
February 18th, 2014 at 10:38 am
The best cookie I've ever had is my great-aunt's frosted sugar cookie. She makes them every year for Valentine's Day, St. Patrick's Day, Easter and Christmas in shapes according to holiday and hand delivers a plate to each family. They are soft and moist and the frosting has a hint of spice– complete perfection! She has never shared the recipe with anyone not that anyone else would be able to make them as tasty.
Niky Says:
February 18th, 2014 at 10:40 am
The best cookies I've ever had are Monster Cookies. The name was earned by the sheer volume of awesome ingredients: peanut butter, oatmeal, chocolate chips, M&Ms, etc. I got the recipe from a cookbook that was pulled together by a small parish in Iowa – a forgotten treasure from an old roommate. It's the best recipe in my arsenal.
Laurin Says:
February 18th, 2014 at 10:42 am
I love a soft chocolate chunk cookie, the NY Times version is great with a little sea salt!
April Morrison Says:
February 18th, 2014 at 11:01 am
Homemade cuccidati are my all time favorite cookie. The fig filling is so good!
Ken Eigenberg Says:
February 18th, 2014 at 11:08 am
I made yesterday and polished off today gingersnap cookies from an Alton Brown recipe that uses three forms of ginger: powdered ginger, grated fresh ginger, and diced candied ginger. They are my current favorite, at least until the next batch of something new.
Betty Says:
February 18th, 2014 at 11:16 am
The best cookies I've ever had were sea salt chocolate chip cookies. Ordinary sounding, yes, but the taste was phenomenal – way better than any other chocolate chip cookies I've had. Uses brown sugar and white sugar, and then most important part is baking time and mixing time!
Melissa Says:
February 18th, 2014 at 11:17 am
Favorite cookie is from my friend's bakery… double chocolate chip cookies sprinkled with sea salt. Amazing.
Shane Overton Says:
February 18th, 2014 at 11:19 am
Best cookie I ever ate was a recipe from Alton Brown. Added fleur de sel to the tips! Chewy, chocolatey, salty, crispy brown on the bottoms. Mmmmm…. Perfect!
Erin Says:
February 18th, 2014 at 11:27 am
Definitely spingerles, too. My grandma's. She would press beautiful stamps into the tops of them, you would almost feel bad for eating them if they weren't so delicious.
Madeleine Rowe Says:
February 18th, 2014 at 11:38 am
The best cookie I ever had was given to me by an Oracle, in her apartment kitchen, when she told me not to worry about the vase I broke, BEFORE I actually broke it. That really baked my noodle when I thought about it afterwards. One thing strange about the cookie, though, was that it was much crunchier and crisper than I thought it was going to be, having just come straight out the oven. Anyway, it was delicious and afterwards I felt better and more powerful. I'm called Neo, BTW.
Anna Says:
February 18th, 2014 at 11:44 am
The best cookie I have ever had was the coverture chocolate chip cookie at Comet Coffee in St. Louis!
They use coverture chocolate, which it very nice and high quality. The cookies are made fresh and it has the perfect chew and texture. I am a huge baker and I have visited tons of bakeries and made tons of cookies… and I really think this is the best chocolate chip cookie in St. Louis…and maybe ever!
Taylor Says:
February 18th, 2014 at 11:45 am
Before she passed away a few years ago, my Polish great-grandma used to make the most delicate, buttery kolaches filled with apricot, raspberry, or prune preserves. Dusted with a little powdered sugar, these morsels outshone everything else on the holiday cookie platter (yes, even those pretzel-Rolo turtles!) My uncle has inherited her recipe, although she never wrote it down, so we still get to share in this delicious tradition. The rest of the year I have to resort to the Schnucks bakery for my kolache fix, but there really is no comparison!
Carol Says:
February 18th, 2014 at 11:58 am
My best ever cookie is one I made myself, lime, pecan and coconut Mexican wedding cookie. I love the delicate combination of flavors and the delicious melt in the mouth quality. It has become a favorite at our annual "cookie weekend" at the holidays where my son and I bake cookies to share with our friends and neighbors.
Debbie Says:
February 18th, 2014 at 5:32 pm
The best cookies I ever had, were my moms Cream Cheese cookies. I was living in Denver, and feeling very homesick, as I was not able to get back for Christmas. She se t me a box of these cookies, and it tasted like home. To this day, its not Christmas, without the Cream Cheese cut out cookies.
Beth giffee Says:
February 18th, 2014 at 7:36 pm
My daughters make the BEST cookies ever! Especially Michon! Recently I had the opportunity to try black and whites at Kohn's deli in St Louis. They were buttery shortbreads with melted chocolate! So many goodies and so little time!
Angela Says:
February 18th, 2014 at 8:12 pm
The best cookie I've ever had was made by me. Alton Brown's The Thin (chocolate chip cookie). My family loves thin chocolate chip cookies. And it was one perfect recipe. I adore it.
Lara Thiel Says:
February 18th, 2014 at 9:45 pm
My three year old daughter and I made Valentine's cookies last week. The dough was rolled a bit too thin, the first batch a bit brown on the edges, the white frosting turned beige' due to my improvisational addition of vanilla extract, the frosting was sloppily applied and the grocery store sprinkles unevenly dispersed. They were the best cookies ever.
Vicki Davenport Says:
February 19th, 2014 at 6:36 am
My best cookie is an almond sugar cookie that I make for cutout sugar cookies. It's moist and the almond flavor reminds me of my childhood. The trick is to roll the dough pretty thick and pull them from the oven just before the edges start to brown. Soft and heavenly!
Rich Says:
February 19th, 2014 at 11:40 am
OK, let's throw out a cliche here. The best kind of cookie is the one in your hand! Seriously, it's impossible to pick a favorite. There are times nothing but a traditional chocolate chip will do. We make ours with extra vanilla to bring out all of the flavors. Another special-occasion favorite? Almond shortbreads… a lot like regular butter shortbreads, but replacing some of the flour with ground almonds. Delicious, rich and simple.
Natalie Butz Says:
February 20th, 2014 at 2:27 pm
The best cookie I have ever had is a carrot cake sandwich cookie. I was given the recipe from school, Forest Park Baking and Pastry. They are prefect, moist, slightly crisp and the filling is cream cheese icing, who doesn't love that.


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Curling irons have always been a little foreign to me.
Having curly hair means that I can usually do some pretty stellar spirals by training my curls when they're wet. But recently, I've been venturing more into curling iron territory when I'm looking to spruce up my hair a little or get a more uniformed look.
The GK Hair 4-in-One curling iron set ($195, amazon.com) has four different tourmaline barrels that allow for varying thickness of curls, and the heat settings range from 140 to 410°F. It's missing the clamp that holds you hair down and instead comes with a heat resistant glove.
It takes some time to get the hang of using the iron, the curling iron set does have it's advantages.
Be Careful About Temperature
You can crank up the GK 4-in-One Curling Iron set up to a hot 410°F; and while that might be just the kind of heat you're looking for to get perfect curls, it's well above the threshold for hair damage.
UV-rays may seem like the main cause of free radicals, but as it turns out, it's not as much of a free radical increaser as heat. Researchers found that while free radical levels were raised slightly in UV-light, the increase was more marked in hair heated over 100°C which is about 212°F (Life Sciences).
But that's a pretty lukewarm temperature for styling. So what's a girl to do?
Think about using something with antioxidants to curb some of the free-radical damage you may be doing (Mibelle Laboratories). Mibelle Laboratory's study found that a combination of oil- and water-soluble was a particularly effective combination.
GK 4-in-One Pros
One of the biggest benefits of the GK 4-in-One curling iron is that you can change the wide of the barrel with ease. Those four pieces give you a lot of options when it comes to your hair. It gives you the options of going from romantic waves to tight spiral curls with the same tool.
The GK 4-in-One also heats up super quickly and has a gauge to tell your how hot it's getting. You can see the temperature climbing up several degrees every second. This is great for a few reasons. First, you can control the exact temperature of your styling. Second, you know when your iron is at the right heat.
While it doesn't necessarily affect the styling process, the GK 4-in-One curling iron has a gorgeous modern design in striking white. It's really a beautiful tool.
GK 4-in-One Cons
One of the biggest issues with the GK 4-in-One curling iron is that there isn't anything to hold your hair with. That doesn't seem like a problem in theory — after all, that part of the iron is often the cause of creases in hair. But without it, you're force to use your hands to make sure your hair stays on the barrel.
This brings the second issue. The GK 4-in-One does come with a glove you can use to touch the barrel with. Unfortunately, it's not heat resistant enough to make it comfortable enough to actually hold on to for a long time. It also makes it difficult to change the barrels mid-styling, as they don't cool down super quickly.
Finally, it would be great if they sent two gloves, since the tourmaline barrel is very slippery and only having one hand is surprisingly difficult. One tip: When you're using this curling iron and don't have a second glove, it's easiest to hold the iron above you pointed downward and wrapping your hair around it going from the base to the tip. That's the best way to do it with one hand.
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It takes a little time to figure out, but once you get the hand of the GK 4-in-One curling set, it's a nice cross between a curling iron and curlers, because you have the option of several sizes.
Having the option of the clamp to hold on to hair or two gloves would make it more user-friendly, but over all, it's a good experience. It would also make it easier to change barrels quickly. And having a more heat resistant glove would definitely improve the experience.
While the iron can go up to 410°F, it might not be recommendable to use it at that heat — particularly not without antioxidant products — because it causes free radical damage.
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Neither Lil Wayne's nor Jennifer Lopez's Rebirth albums were very popular with fans. Whereas Weezy's previous album, Tha Carter III, was certified three times platinum, his rock music debut, 2010's Rebirth, only went gold after leaking months earlier and receiving lackluster reviews. In 2005, J. Lo's Rebirth suffered the same fate, coming in at No. 2 on the Billboard 200 after earning the distinction of being her first album to miss the one million mark in sales.
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Masses of plastic particles found in Great Lakes
Already ravaged by toxic algae, invasive mussels and industrial pollution, the Great Lakes now confront another potential threat that few had even imagined until recently: untold millions of plastic litter bits, some visible only through a microscope.
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Already ravaged by toxic algae, invasive mussels and industrial pollution, the Great Lakes now confront another potential threat that few had even imagined until recently: untold millions of plastic litter bits, some visible only through a microscope.
Scientists who have studied gigantic masses of floating plastic in the world's oceans are now reporting similar discoveries in the lakes that make up nearly one-fifth of the world's fresh water. They retrieved the particles from Lakes Superior, Huron and Erie last year. This summer, they're widening the search to Lakes Michigan and Ontario, skimming the surface with finely meshed netting dragged behind sailing vessels.
"If you're out boating in the Great Lakes, you're not going to see large islands of plastic," said Sherri Mason, a chemist with State University of New York at Fredonia and one of the project leaders. "But all these bits of plastic are out there."
Experts say it's unclear how long "microplastic" pollution has been in the lakes or how it is affecting the environment. Studies are under way to determine whether fish are eating the particles.
The newly identified hazard is the latest of many for a Great Lakes fish population that has been hammered by natural enemies like the parasitic sea lamprey, which nearly wiped out lake trout, and man-made contamination. Through it all, the fishing industry remains a pillar of the region's tourist economy. Until the research is completed, it won't be clear whether the pollution will affect fishing guidelines, the use of certain plastics or cities that discharge treated wastewater into the lakes.
Scientists have already made a couple startling finds. The sheer number of plastic specks in some samples hauled from Lake Erie, the shallowest and smallest by volume, were higher than in comparable samples taken in the oceans.
Also, while it's unknown where the ocean plastic came from, microscopic examination of Great Lakes samples has produced a smoking gun: many particles are perfectly round pellets. The scientists suspect they are abrasive "micro beads" used in personal care products such as facial and body washes and toothpaste.
They're so minuscule that they flow through screens at waste treatment plants and wind up in the lakes, said Lorena Rios Mendoza, a chemist with the University of Wisconsin-Superior. At the urging of scientists and advocates, some big companies have agreed to phase them out.
During a meeting of the American Chemical Society in April, Rios reported the team had collected up to 1.7 million tiny particles last year in Lake Erie, which acts as something of a "sink" because it receives the outflow from the three lakes to the north - Superior, Michigan and Huron.
Mason said preliminary samples indicate "Lake Ontario is as contaminated as Lake Erie, if not more so."
The Great Lakes are no stranger to ecological calamity. Zebra and quagga mussels have destabilized food chains, and ravenous Asian carp are poised to invade. Runaway algae blooms that had been stamped out a generation ago have returned. Dozens of harbors and river mouths are fouled with toxic waste.
Now, researchers are stepping up efforts to determine how much damage the plastic could do. Mason and Rios are working with the 5 Gyres Institute, a nonprofit group based in Los Angeles that has called attention to sprawling masses of plastic in the oceans.
While Mason searches Lake Michigan for more plastic, Rios is poking through fish innards for plastic fragments. In ocean environments, fish and birds are known to feed on microplastics, apparently mistaking them for fish eggs.
A more complicated question is whether the particles are soaking up toxins in the water, potentially contaminating fish that eat them - and sending them up the food chain.
Rios said lab examination had detected two potentially harmful compounds in the Lake Erie plastic debris: PAHs, which are created during incineration of coal or oil products; and PCBs, which were used in electrical transformers and hydraulic systems before they were banned in 1979. Both are capable of causing cancer and birth defects.
Everyone agrees the best way to avoid environmental damage from plastics is to keep them out of the water in the first place. Eriksen's group has urged makers of personal care products to stop using microbeads. Procter & Gamble and Johnson & Johnson have announced phaseout plans. L'Oreal says it won't develop new products with microbeads.
For anglers who regularly feast on salmon, perch and other delicacies from the lakes' depths, the most common reaction to the microplastic scare is a resigned shrug. They're used to warnings against overindulging on fish because of mercury, PCBs and other contaminants.
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Today is Batman Day, a day to celebrate the 75th Anniversary of the character's first appearance. A few weeks ago I asked people to name the female character they thought was "most important" to Batman. And while there were many people who name Barbara Gordon (Oracle version mostly), there were also others mentioned such as Cass Cain and Leslie Thompkins. But a lot of the answers were a woman who has gotten short shift in the Batverse - Martha Wayne.
DC Comics announced last month that David and Meredith Finch would be taking over the Wonder Woman title with issue 36. Today the publisher has released the first look at Finch's pencils for the issue which will come out October.
While the Wonder Woman book under Azzarello was self-enclosed with little interaction with the rest of the DCU, our first look at the Finch's book shows that entire JLA appears in the issue.
Today is Batman Day! Why? Because DC Comics has declared it to be so in celebration of Batman's 75th anniversary. And given that my love of comics began with Batman why wouldn't I connect all comics to
But just because it is Batman day and there is a Batman comic out does not mean he gets to come first. No, I am going to start with a very special first issue.
Storm finally gets an ongoing. Well that didn't take too long.
And you know who is writing this book? Greg Pak who also writes Superman/Batman for DC Comics. Because it's Batman Day.
Any week Saga is out it goes to the top of my pick list. But oh my that last issue! Anyway, you know who wrote Batman? That's right Brian K. Vaughan who wrote the False Faces arc. Because it is Batman Day.
Did you give a listen to the long interview Kelly and I did with Ed Brubaker on the newest 3 Chicks Review Comics now available on iTunes? This is such a good book and you should pick it up. Also Ed Brubaker wrote Batman.
Sabrina is getting her own book in the mode of Afterlife with Archie and this issue is all about her. This is not for kids but it is great for teens above. Oh and the art is by Francesco Francavilla who drew on of my Batman arcs ever. Because it is Batman Day.
This issue ends the first arc of Gail Simone's rather fun Tomb Raider. Simone has written Batman a few times although my favorites were when being trolled by Canary.
And now on to the man himself, Batman! And he does seem to appear in quite a few comics, doesn't he?
This is the final issue of Snyder and Capullo's Zero year arc and, really, what better what to end it then to have Batman fighting the Riddler accompanied by two lions. Why? Because he's Batman, damn it!
Can I just say that's an amazing cover? Batman Eternal also has internal art by Nguyen this week so that's a bonus. Batman is Eternal! (I'd say Batman Forever, but that's the name of one of the movies).
And that's it for me this week. What's on your list?
Also those of you traveling to SDCC have a fun trip and let me know if you see anything interesting!
ABC's REVENGE is making the jump from TV to comics with an Original Graphic Novel out in September. REVENGE offers up episodic melodrama with a twist of mystery and suspense and a dash of soap opera which means it is pretty close to a comic monthly from Marvel already. In REVENGE, two women are the lead characters - the revenge driven Emily Thorne and the complex villainous Victoria Grayson. The book's subtitle, The Secret Origin of Emily Thorne, gives you a hint of the focus of the OGN.
One of my favorite people Ted Sullivan is one of the shows co-producers and writers and he is co-writing the OGN with Erica Schultz, the writer of the award winning comic M3. I chatted with Ted about the book, women in comics and what comic character Emily most resembles as well as the upcoming season of the show. Our interview as well as some new art from the book follow.
Kelly and I are back again (3 weeks in a row!) with an interview with writer Ed Brubaker that is just filled with some interesting discussion including:
We also review issue 2 of Gillen/McKelvie's Wicked and the Divine and review the first trade of another awesome female spy, Edmundson/Noto's Black Widow which you can pre-order here.
And we also talk about the Thor and Captain America news from last week including reading some very special, erudite thoughts about the former.
So please give us a listen you can down load here or from iTunes!
Dinah, Dinah, Dinah how I love you. Dinah Laurel Lance or Drake depending on what world/age/event we are now in or past, is the second longest running female superhero in DC Comics IP (do you even have to "wonder" who is number one?)
Black Canary is, I believe, currently about to be homeless in the new 52. Oh wait, I forgot Futures' End where she is homed, face only, on the chest of Frankenstein.
Yeah. Moving on …
In addition to her long comic history, Black Canary has appeared in multiple live action programs (Birds of Prey, Smallville and currently Arrow) and she's also been in the modern DC Animated Universe as part of Justice League/Justice League Unlimited/Batman Brave and the Bold and Young Justice). She also appeared in the Green Arrow short that was tagged on to the end of Superman/Batman Apocalypse.
And now she is back in animation in a new round of DC Nation animated shorts (aside: they are still making these? And, um, hello where is Super Best Friends Forever, season 2?). Green Arrow is the star but is his partner. And her design is … interesting. Care to weigh in?
So today Marvel announced a new Thor on The View. Which makes sense because this Thor will be a woman as you can see the artwork below. And this is really Thor by which that means the person with the hammer is Thor and woman will have the hammer.
But the reveal of the new title, written by Jason Aaron, is not the most interesting thing about today's announcement.
As someone who has been writing and arguing about the potential of the female audience for superhero comics four plus years, I was very interested to see this in Marvel's press release:
THOR is the latest in the ever-growing and long list of female-centric titles that continues to invite new readers into the Marvel Universe. This female THOR is the 8th title to feature a lead female protagonist and aims to speak directly to an audience that long was not the target for Super Hero comic books in America: women and girls.
Say what? I'm sorry what was that? Is Marvel actually saying they want female readers? That they are now targeting female readers?
Why yes they are.
It's almost worth the amount of trolling, attacks, rape threats and other shit I've experienced to see this.
Of course, DC Comics also seems to be finally finding the female audience worthy of their attention. Nothing as clear cut as Marvel did above but the recent Batgirl respin and Gotham Academy are clearly going after that audience and I was told by folks close to those books that women are definitely are a target.
Two years ago Heidi McDonald wrote a great story (that I disagreed with) about how Marvel and DC would never truly female readers.
But now? Something has changed at both publishers.
Is it real? Will it last? Who knows?
But I will say I am enjoying it.
The long awaiting Morrison epic visiting the various Earth's of DC arrives in soon and here is the third one shot and solicit. Note those of you who are Donna Troy and Arrowette fans, it's your lucky day.
Written by GRANT MORRISON
Art and cover by BEN OLIVER
1:10 B&W Variant cover by BEN OLIVER
1:25 Variant cover by EDUARDO RISSO
1:50 Variant cover by DALE EAGLESHAM
1:100 Variant cover by GRANT MORRISON
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The next chapter of the greatest adventure in DC's history is here!
When they last collaborated, Grant Morrison joined artist Ben Oliver (LOBO, BATMAN/SUPERMAN) for the acclaimed ACTION COMICS #0. For their next team-up, the two superstars take a spin around the self-obsessed Earth-16 – a.k.a. Earth-Me!
With all of the world's threats having been handled long ago by their parents, the next generation of supers – including Chris Kent, Damien Wayne, Alexis Luthor, Offspring, Megamorpho, Donna Troy and more – find themselves labeled as superstars more often than super heroes. But with that fame comes complacency, and when a massive threat unlike anything they've ever seen surfaces, this pampered crew finds themselves in way over their head. What secret is Damien keeping from Chris that could tear the world's finest friends apart? Who is the mysterious killer lurking behind the scenes among these spoiled super-children? And what chance do they stand against the monstrous villain that's murdering its way cross the Multiverse? All that and more in this exciting stand-alone issue which also acts as chapter three of the MULTIVERSITY saga. Join us, if your dare, for THE MULTIVERSITY!
Kelly and I are back again with a podcast filled with comics, swears and this week repeated used of the word "Dick!" And we have super excited to to have wonderful G. Willow Wilson with us to talk about the wonderful Ms. Marvel.
We also review Grayson #1 and Captain Marvel #5 and BECAUSE YOU DEMANDED IT! more dramatic readings. We also discuss some of the recent announcements from DC Comics including the new Wonder Woman team, Gotham Academy and the redesign of Batgirl.
You can download from here or you can find us on iTunes! Please give us a listen and leave us comments!


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ISLAMABAD: Pakistan and India would be notifying Non-Discriminatory Market Access (NDMA), when new government in India would take over after general elections.
Statutory Regulatory Order (SRO) rationalisation process is on and finance bill 2015 to be presented in the Parliament would eliminate all the hurdles being faced by the trading community of the country.
New Gold Import Policy is in making and would get approval within next two weeks with reduction in import quantity to eliminate the chance of misuse of this import concession, Federal Minister for Commerce Khurram Dastgir Khan informed Daily Times.
He was of the view signing of NDMC with India would not mean signing of a new agreement or allowing new trade concession to India, but Pakistan would abolish India's specific chapter contained in its Import Policy Order for removal restrictions at present applicable in imports from India.
Minister mentioned there were many apprehensions and misperceptions on Pak-India trade, elaborating his view he said during Pakistan Peoples Party's government when trade with India was converted from small Positive List with Negative list 75 percent trade with India got liberalised including trade or agriculture commodities.
What Pakistan Muslim League (PML-N) government going to do is to eliminate the India specific chapter contained in its Import Policy Order to get normalised the remaining 25 percent trade with India.
Minister informed India had abolished Pakistan specific chapter contained in its Import Policy in 1996 and termed it as Most Favoured Nation (MFN) status for Pakistan. In return, India is demanding from us to abolish the India specific chapter in Pakistan's Import Policy Order so as to normalise trade between the two neighbours in accordance with World Trade Organisation (WTO). Pakistan and India after new government in India takes over would notify the abolishing of country specific trade restrictions, 100 percent trade would get normalised between the two countries.
Once Pakistan notifies abolishing of trade restrictions for India, entire trading partners of India would stand beside us as they are continuously voicing against non-tariff barriers applied by the India authorities on imports in to India. That occasion would be an opportunity for us to compel India to remove the operational difficulties faced by the Pakistani exporters.
He dispelled the impression subsidised imports from India would cause losses to Pakistani agriculture sector and said India did not allow export of products which were produced from subsidised input especially agriculture commodities.
Explaining the tariff rationalisation and SRO rationalisation plan being undertaken by the government, he informed ministries of Commerce, Industry, Textiles and Federal Board of Revenue (FBR) were involved in this exercise and we have asked the FBR to make tariff and import structure more export friendly. Finance bill 2015 that would be presented in the Parliament at budget 2014-15 session would contain the results of this mega exercise.
He said he has been opposing ban on import of gold in each Economic Coordination Committee meeting of the Cabinet (ECC) and upon the directions of ECC new gold import policy for jewellery industry was being formulated. New policy would reduce the importable quantity of gold by each registered importer. He said this policy would eliminate all the difficulties being faced by the country that were witnessed by excessive import of gold by few non-exporter elements, which caused huge damage to the parity of rupee against US dollar.
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TAMPA, Fla. — This "Grinch" was a mean one.
Police say burglars broke into a Florida woman's home, stole her two children's gifts from under the tree and snatched the family's puppy.
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An Urban oasis of country-pop
Kiwi star hits right amount of sugar
Sure, he's a little bit country and a little bit rock 'n' roll, but above all, Keith Urban is a pop star.
New Zealand-born Urban, 46, has always had plenty of crossover appeal — it's hard to imagine a cowboy hat even touching that perfectly highlighted head of his — but he's also just plain appealing. He has a cavalcade of catchy hits, 15 of them No. 1s. He's a judge on American Idol. He's married to Nicole Kidman. He has a sexy accent and nice teeth. He's almost frustratingly likable.
Oh yeah, and as he proved at Monday night's Winnipeg stop on his Light the Fuse tour, he's also a virtuosic musician. While the house lights were still up, Urban quietly took the stage, dressed in a clavicle-exposing black V-neck T-shirt and jeans, to noodle on the banjo, while his bandmates joined him one by one for a loose jam. It's totally a thing he does at every show, but it was a nice amuse bouche before the ensuing pig-out on sugary country pop hits.
And the hits came fast and furious. Backed by five towering screens — which seemed to linger on close-ups of his face — Urban wasted no time, launching into Long Hot Summer and Put You In a Song, which boasted scorching guitar solos rivalling the most muscular of arena rock acts. Sweet Thing and I Told You So followed, another explosive one-two punch that had the entire room singing along. Urban knows how to shred, but he also knows how to work a room.
Even in its slower moments, the show retained its arena-rock bombast. Swathed in red light, Urban showed off his mighty lungs on the power ballad Stupid Boy, off his 2006 album Love, Pain and the Whole Crazy Thing. It, too, was fleshed out by long, languid solos that stretched on into oblivion.
There were a lot of women in the crowd packing proclamations of love scribbled on DayGlo-coloured posters. After canvassing the room, Urban pulled one lucky lady onstage — hers read "Keith I Hear You Like Tall Girls" — had a recliner brought out for her and serenaded her with an intimate solo acoustic performance Only You Can Love Me This Way. It's pure schtick, sure, but she'll remember that moment forever.
Urban reunited with his backing band for the bouncy Even The Stars Fall 4 You off 2013's Fuse, before being joined by opening act Little Big Town on stage for an encore-worthy performance of You Gonna Fly. Cop Car, a fairly forgettable Fuse ballad, followed. His most country tune, Without You, was backed by a black and white montage of footage of him and his wife frolicking on a beach juxtaposed with shots of a highway (get it?). It was super cheesy, but it was sweet. (See? The man is impossible not to like.)
Hour two contained yet more high-energy guitar heroics; a spot-on cover of The Who's Won't Get Fooled Again absolutely rocked. The band moved to a small satellite stage on the other side of the bowl for a charging rendition of Once in a Lifetime and the anthemic Better Life. As he made his way back to the mainstage, Urban handed out high fives to every outstretched hand he could reach. He's nice like that.
But wait, there was more. Little Big Town's Karen Fairchild stood in for Miranda Lambert on We Were Us, and a giant disco ball showered the crowd with reflected light for Little Bit of Everything. The main set closed with Somebody Like You — Urban's mega hit — to a roar of approval and an explosion of confetti cannons.
You have to admire his stamina. After delivering a two-hour show (which was a little long and could have benefitted from some editing), Urban decided he hadn't had enough of a workout and returned to the stage for a four-song encore. That included a trio of heartstring-tugging solo piano performances — But for the Grace of God, Raining on Sunday and Tonight I Want to Cry — during which a galaxy of cellphones appeared in the stands.
Urban knew better than to close the show on a downer. A tease of Bruno Mars' Locked Out of Heaven gave way to You Look Good in My Shirt. For that one, he performed somewhere in the 100-level, surrounded by a throng of screaming women.
You have to love an opener that works the crowd with the sureness of a headliner. Alabama's Little Big Town turned in an engaging, high-energy set straight out of the Grand Ole Opry. While the band's signature four-part harmonies were given more room to breathe in big, room-filling country ballads such as Bring It On Home and Sober, Karen Fairchild, Kimberly Schlapman, Jimi Westbrook, and Phillip Sweet proved they also do the toe-tappin', boot-scootin' boogie thing really well, too — from the driving stomp of set opener Little White Church to the boozy, bluesy Front Porch Thing.
The tender Can't Go Back sent more than a few people to the beer line, but the band commanded focus with the dramatic Tornado — which probably could have been spared the cheesy theatrics. The wind machine seemed a little... on the nose. The foursome ended its hour-long set on a high with its singalong love letter to the American backcountry, Boondocks.
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Newbie landlord in training - how can I help a person in desperate need AND be business savvy? (Long winded, please forgive me).
I am learning the landlord ropes from my 78 year old mom and am trying to fill an empty flat in San Francisco. Along comes a potential tenant I will call "Leah". Leah is in a really tough bind - she has to relocate to San Francisco because she has a critically ill child on the organ transplant list. Her family has been living in temporary housing while her child recovers from surgery and her time at this housing is almost up. She has been told that her child's chance at an organ transplant will be adversely affected if she cannot stay in San Francisco. We have checked out her story and it is 100% verifiable, no scam. She has a good employment history and will be able to return back to her job once she has a permanent residence. However, the problem is her credit history. She is, understandably, in collections for outstanding medical bills.
have the power to make the ultimate judgement call here. My mom is the property owner and the decision is solely hers. She is legitimately concerned that the situation with the collection agencies could make it impossible for Leah to make rent on a monthly basis. We are strictly small potatoes and don't have a wide enough financial margin that would allow us to take a hit if a tenant can't make rent.
On a personal note, my mom is a bit fragile physically and emotionally and I don't want to push her into a business situation where she is going to be stressed out and anxious all of the time. I am also a bit on the fragile side (emotionally) and having a rental situation blow up in my face would be really bad for my mental health too.
Nonetheless, I want to help this woman - she's been though hell and she needs a break, damnit! I look at her and all I can think is, "What if that were me and my kid? What if nobody would help me?" Again, I don't have any real power here to give her the apartment. All I can do is advocate for giving her a break under the "WWJD" rule.
Any resources you can provide that could help "Leah" and at the same time help us mitigate any problems due to her financial situation would be greatly appreciated.
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It would be strange if the transplant center didn't have some kind of reduced cost housing to help them. Ronald McDonald house? Please make sure that this is not available to them before making a commitment you can't afford.
Blessings for trying to help. I hope it works out for both of you.
posted by
SLC Mom
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* Provide the apartment "at-cost", with no profit margin. Don't forget to cover taxes, upkeep, etc though. Then let her know you are cutting her a deal and otherwise it's no different than anywhere else. She's expected to pay rent. Then hold her to it
* Do it as charity. Like the first option, but cheaper. Take a hit personally to help somebody. This isn't business savvy, it's charity.
* Give her pointers on getting collections off her back (social graces needed, etc). Rent is more important than unsecured debt. Given the horrible medical situation, she's going to end up bankrupt anyway (yay health care!), so no point paying off stuff that can be discharged (morals may apply) when you have immediate needs (roof) to pay. Either way, collections companies get less annoying if you hold them to the law. Maybe help her get a lawyer who can walk her through it. Pay for 2 hours of the lawyer's time, and let her use it to get nastygrams written to appropriate people.
* Fundraise on her behalf? Again, social graces...etc. Don't be a dick about it, or exploit them.
Just a bunch of ideas to consider....
posted by
on March 19, 2010
What good would you do by providing an apartment to someone who needs it, and then when they don't pay rent due to other financial problems, the house is foreclosed on and they have to move out? I don't see how setting up for a potential failure like this is at all helpful to anyone involved.
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"We are strictly small potatoes and don't have a wide enough financial margin that would allow us to take a hit if a tenant can't make rent."
Clearly, don't rent to this woman. Instead of her tragedy being hers, it could potentially suck you and your fragile mom in, and become your tragedy as well.
Help her find some other arrangement in your free time.
posted by
on March 19, 2010
Newbie landlord here. My advice would be to be realistic about this: is she going to be able to pay the rent? I can certainly understand wanting to help her out, but you need to help yourself to be able to help her. It's not going to help if she doesn't pay the rent and you get into financial difficulties because of that. Plus, I'll bet that getting a tenant with a seriously ill child out if she doesn't pay the rent is going to be very, very difficult. That sounds harsh, but you have to consider the possibility.
You have to distance yourself a bit here: sure, her story is hard and she's dealing with a difficult situation. But it is one of those situations where she could drag you down with her. Fundamentally, it boils down to if you think she can really pay the rent. If you really believe that she can, go for it. If you aren't convinced of that, say no. But I would base that decision on a cold, hard look at the facts, not the emotion of the decision.
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She has been told that her child's chance at an organ transplant will be adversely affected if she cannot stay in San Francisco.
How did she get into the temporary housing in the first place? Is there an appeals process that could allow her to extend her stay? Is she on wait lists for other housing options for families of sick kids? Is she working with the social worker at her child's hospital to make sure she knows all of her options? Do
have any contacts in the SF medical community who might be able to help her find housing?
I don't doubt that she is in a serious, tragic situation, but it doesn't sound like you're in a position to help her in the way that you propose. Being a "good" person in business (like, say, as a landlord) means behaving honorably and honestly, upholding the contracts you enter into. You are not a "bad" person if, in the context of doing business, you... do business. In other words, it doesn't make you a bad person if, as a landlord, you decline to take on a risky tenant whom you cannot afford to support should she fail to pay her rent.
It would be kind and generous of you to use your
resources (social network, research on your own time, etc.) to help this person in need, but doing so as part of your for-profit business is foolish given your circumstances.
posted by
on March 19, 2010
Don't rent to her. Make a charitable donation to her child's care if you wish.
posted by
on March 19, 2010
I feel your pain, if it were me I'd probably have this woman sleeping on my couch. (Lucky for me I have a level headed husband who stops me from doing impulsive things like that.)
I understand that you want to help this lady out. She is a good person who is just trying to take care of her sick kid. I think this is one of those 'put the oxygen mask on yourself before you put it on somebody else' situations. You are not in the position to help this lady at this time. You can't afford to take a risk on a renter and unfortunately this lady is a huge risk. There are too many variables that dictate whether or not she will be able to pay you, and the consequences of her missing rent are too drastic for you and your mom.
I really can't think of a way that this situation could work out for you. Try not to feel guilty, the welfare of yourself and your family has got to come before the welfare of a stranger.
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Where is the money for rent coming from?
You say she has a good employment history and will be going back to work soon, does that mean she is not getting a paycheck now?
Is she going to be paying out of savings until she gets a job? Do you have proof of these savings? (not that you could really trust what she gives you anyhow) If she does have money earmarked for rent, I'd be worried about her using it for child related expenses that may come up.
From what I've heard, San Francisco has some of the most Tenant favored lease laws in the country. If you do end up having to evict her it could take many months and many thousands of dollars. Do you have the savings for this?
I don't see this working out well for you.
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on March 19, 2010
ALWAYS look beyond the credit report! It tends to tell a very incomplete story.
This woman might very well be a great tenant. But, you've got some detective work to do in order to judge the risk.
You say that she has a job that she can return to. Have you called to confirm that she's an employee on leave there? (They won't tell you much, but they will confirm employment.)
Check out what her credit was like *before* the medical catastrophe hit. Were all her bills paid then? Ask her how much she makes at her job. I don't believe that she *has* to tell you, as a matter of law. But, she can volunteer the information, if she's OK with it.
Invite the woman to lunch. Observe her mannerisms, look for obvious signs of addiction, check her reactions to things (the less defensive, the better).
In short, you really have to do your homework. More than you might for a more "ordinary" prospective tenant.
When it comes right down to it, this is a tough call. Good luck coming to a decision that you can feel comfortable with.
posted by
on March 19, 2010
Hi, I'm the original poster, stepping out of the anonymous closet. You're replies are, sadly, confirming what I suspected - it's just too risky to rent to her at this point.
A few facts:
1. Leah and her family have been living at a Ronald McDonald-type house for the last 6 months. Unfortunately, they're reaching the time limit in the next few weeks.
2. I've talked to the hospital social worker. Their options for providing additional help are really limited. From what the social worker said, outside agencies that can help are few and far between.
3. I've put in a calls to a couple of agencies and am willing to keep doing that even if we decline her application. If I could find an organization that could help her manage the collection agencies and help out with rent if needed, we'd be a lot more inclined to rent to her.
4. I am more than happy to use my networking skills to try to hook her up with services.
posted by
on March 19, 2010
Citrus: We've done pretty much everything you suggested to the point of having our attorney look into her background. She checks out. The only problem are the massive medical bills/collection agencies. It is a tremendously shitty situation.
posted by
on March 19, 2010
The potential bad event I'd worry about is: what if she can't pay you later. You can charge a little more, or get a deposit, to cover one month's rent if she can't make that, but what about after that?
Random off-the-wall ideas:
You might consider charging a little extra for rent and putting it into a kind of cumulative emergency deposit account for emergency use later.
Maybe you could talk to a local Ronald McDonald house and see what they suggest. Maybe they can take her in if, later on, she couldn't pay you. If for some reason they will work with you on this (it seems a remote possibility), get whatever they promise you in writing, and have some kind of personal relationship with the director there, so that there's very little chance you'll be stuck later.
posted by
on March 19, 2010
We are strictly small potatoes and don't have a wide enough financial margin that would allow us to take a hit if a tenant can't make rent.
This is the crux of it; you want to help, and your heart is in the right place, but you cannot
do so. Therefore, you should listen to your heart and assist her as much as you can, but not in a way that puts you in jeopardy of losing the entire building (as presumably will happen if you're one vacant apartment away from financial problems.)
Contact your friends and family and ask if they're interested in helping; twenty people pooling small amounts of cash together each month can make a big pile. Be prepared to show them how you're sure it isn't a scam. If enough money can be committed, you can use your mother's landlord connections to find a landlord who isn't as close to financial ruin as you, who might be willing to rent to her month-to-month knowing a lot of that money is coming from so many members of the community.
Ultimately, though, you can only help if you can help, and trying (even if you fail) is more than most people are doing to help. So don't kick yourself if you can't manage to help.
incidentally if you are one vacant apartment away from problems, you really need to go into damage control mode on getting yourself a bigger cushion
posted by
on March 19, 2010
davejay: It's not that we're "one vacant apartment away from problems". It's more that we're fine UNLESS some unforeseen problem pops up. Those unexpected crisises (such as property damage that requires major repairs, eviction proceedings, fires, earthquakes, etc.,) can really fuck things up.
posted by
on March 19, 2010
Rent to someone else and give what you can to help her with housing.
You're simply not in a position to be as generous as you'd like.
posted by
Tell Me No Lies
on March 19, 2010
I read this earlier today and wanted to answer but didn't have anything constructive outside of "this sounds like a difficult situation for you both".
Since that time, I've talked with someone in our organization who gave me some ideas as far as potential housing - the YMCA. Our Y has a program called Families in Transition, and it sounds like something that 'Leah' could fit into, for multiple reasons. You might try contacting your local Y and asking if they have such a program, or if they know of something similar.
Best of luck to you.
posted by
on March 19, 2010
Follow-up: after we called Leah to tell her that we had to reject her application, my mother had a brainstorm and realized that we could probably rent to her through the Section 8 program. The social worker had told me that Leah was informed of her eligibility for low income housing, but she had rejected the suggestion, fearing that would mean moving her kids into a housing project in a high crime neighborhood. If we can work it out, it would mean her rent is covered by HUD (and our ass is covered) and she and her family doesn't have to live in a housing project.
So I called Leah and told her that we might still be able to get her in the apartment if we can get her enrolled in the Section 8 program. We'll follow up with the social worker and see if she could help with paperwork. In the meantime I gave Leah the phone number of a local non-profit who helps people with housing problems and outstanding medical bills. Here's hoping for a happy ending, one way or another.
Thanks all of you for your answers. You helped lift an overwhelming sense of guilt and anxiety from my shoulder by helping me realize that I am not God and it doesn't make me a horrible person if I can't make reconcile my business priorities to my desire to do good.
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I'm glad you found an answer! I hope it all works out.
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