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2.81/5 rDev -6.6%
Thank to the creator of the canquest, woodychandler, for this beer. Poured from a 12 oz. can. Has a pale yellow color with a 1/2 inch head. Smell is mild, some corn and grains. Taste is also a bit mild, grains, a bit of sweetness, kind of light. Feels light in the mouth and overall this is about the standard beer for this style.
02-16-2013 15:49:28 | More by tone77
3.8/5 rDev +26.2%
Goldmine Lager (a private label clone of Genesee) has a very thick, foamy, stark-white head, a clear, yellow-golden appearance, streaming bubbles, and a heavy lacing left on the glass. Under intense light, one can detect tiny, white particles floating throughout the beer. The aroma is of sweet, lightly-toasted barley malt, and the flavor is of sweet malt and grain, some corn, and a light dusting of hop bitterness. Mouthfeel is light and watery, and Goldmine Lager finishes crisp, clean, refreshing, dry, and highly drinkable. There were no off-putting notes with this one. I rate very good.
02-14-2013 19:32:30 | More by RonaldTheriot
3.2/5 rDev +6.3%
I had zero expectations for Goldmine, but at $2.99 a six pack, I couldn't resist picking it up. Especially as I read the cheese pairing suggestions posted next to the stacked beer display at Whole Foods. I have to say though, expecting nothing from the gold and yellow can, I was surprised at how non-unpleasant it was. Much better than a can of Coors or Bud. Get it cold enough and it may be a treat on a warm night next to the bbq. Don't be afraid of this one.
02-03-2013 05:13:01 | More by Guyute
2/5 rDev -33.6%
02-01-2013 02:41:05 | More by nuclearmeg
2.4/5 rDev -20.3%
Found at Whole Foods for $3.99 a six-pack.
Pours a dirty gold with a thin stream of bubbles that sustains a bit of foam.
Smells of sweet and sour grains with a dry crispness. It generally reminds me of cheap beer.
Tastes about the same. Isn't the bottom floor already full in the adjunct lager market? Is there really demand for another poorly done adjunct lager? This one tastes like any number of slightly sour and dirty lagers. I suppose it is a touch better than some with a clean and almost fruity corn, but it just finishes off with the sour, pungent edge that brings out the worst in the style.
Feels full with a soft rasp of carbonation but finishes clean.
I guess I don't see the point. I won't be revisiting this beer.
01-16-2013 00:00:52 | More by DarkerTheBetter
3/5 rDev -0.3%
01-07-2013 04:46:50 | More by chronolulu
2.75/5 rDev -8.6%
01-07-2013 00:32:10 | More by MBSpear
2.95/5 rDev -2%
Oh mighty overseer of CANs, thank you for landing me some CANs in furtherance of The CANQuest (TM), which has been off-track for too long. I scored a sixer at Whole Foods Market (Dupont Circle) while in DC last week to look at the Lichtenstein exhibit at the National Gallery of Art.
Nothing on the CAN that CAN't be discerned from the picture, so it is Crack & Glug time, kids! I love that sound and the visual that accompanies it. This showed real promise, developing two-plus fingers of dense, foamy bone-white head with decent retention. Color was a pale lemon-yellow with NE-plus quality clarity allowing me to see into the future. My future is filled with beer! Yay. Nose smelled like so many other AALs - full of corn and other adjuncts. I think that corn is the worst as it ends up reminding me of silage: rotting, fermenting corn, husks and cobs stored in a silo for use as pig feed. Oh well. Such is the nature of the beast. Mouthfeel was thin-to-medium and the taste was sweeter than the nose led me to expect. Yeah, it was as corny as the puns that I start my students out with every day, but either I have gotten used to it or it was not as pronounced as in many of its brethren. Finish was semi-dry and for the price, it was not bad. It would make a decent lawnmower beer, but if you asked me to distinguish it from others, I would fold my hand. This is dime-a-dozen beer.
01-05-2013 23:42:33 | More by woodychandler
3/5 rDev -0.3%
12-20-2012 21:33:50 | More by TypsiYpsi
4.38/5 rDev +45.5%
This is definitely an adjunct lager, but it's pretty good for one. It's fairly bland and unobtrusive, but it's got a nice fruity note to it and is very refreshing and easy drinking. It's completely enjoyable as an adjunct lager, which is not true of most. It tastes like a better batch of Big Flats (a very inconsistent and cheap brew by the same company). I'd get it again if it was cheaper in my area, but I'll stick with Big Flats for now and hope for a good batch.
12-19-2012 04:21:11 | More by ElCommodoro
3.63/5 rDev +20.6%
A- Clear super light yellow body with a small white foam cap.
A- Sweet malt aroma. Adjunct aroma. A little malt, a little corn. Pleasant.
T- Sweet adjunct flavor. Very light bitterness with a crisp clean finish. Semi-sweet, not bland, pretty good.
M- Light body, moderate carbonation.
D- Easy drinking, and for the price completely worth it. Get it, drink it, and don't be a snob.
12-12-2012 04:12:48 | More by gpogo
3.8/5 rDev +26.2%
Reviewed within the STYLE it is impossible to score this one low. At $3.49 per six pack at Whole Foods Market, I thought what the heck. And I got a lot more than I thought I would for about what I pay for a gallon of gas these days...
A: Poured into a tumbler, this one retains a decent foamy head and shows some great color for an American Adjunct Lager.
S: Nothing offensive, which would place this one up there with Gennesee Cream Ale as one of the best smelling adjuncts out there. A little corn, light maltiness, and some notes of sourdough.
T: Again, nothing offensive. Smooth, creamy, not sharp at all, goes down easy with a nice refreshing, but not bland flavor. Semi-sweet, but not artificial. Overall a nice tasting beer.
Value: For $3.49 a sixer, only the worst hipster beer snob would NOT buy this. Recommended for that night before pay day!!!
12-03-2012 03:04:42 | More by WeezyBoPeep
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3.08/5 rDev +2.3%
A - clear gold with a thin, bubbly, fizzy layer of white head
S - sweet, grainy
T - sweet, grainy, very faint hop character
M - light bodied, crisp, well carbonated
This is definitely better out of the can, but even in a glass this isn't an awful beer for the style. It's typical but doesn't have the off flavors that often plague this style. This isn't something I'll have again, but it was nice once
11-21-2012 02:35:49 | More by tdm168
2.75/5 rDev -8.6%
11-18-2012 19:45:50 | More by Hanzo
3.13/5 rDev +4%
Purchased a 12 pack of this for $6.99 (now that's an economy beer) at the package store on hwy. 29 in Lilburn.
Pours a very light, clear pale straw yellow, with a bright white head that has surprisingly decent retention.
Smell is corn husk and grain. Nothing here offensive. Taste follows the nose.
Got to give this beer some props. Cheap, but provides a nice value.
We have a match with the can shown on BA but this is from Rochester, NY - not Calif.
11-05-2012 23:35:08 | More by jadpsu
3/5 rDev -0.3%
11-04-2012 18:12:56 | More by lilnicky068
2.85/5 rDev -5.3%
Poured chilled in a tall ale glass.
A: clear bright yellow; lots of carb beads; very thick head, goes down quickly; lacing decent
S: stale smell of lager
T: sweet; not bitter; emphasis on malt; few hops; not very flavorful, and what there is seems to be in the Sprite/lemon water region; relatively nondescript; it's about average for this genre
An American version of a eastern European adjunct lager (think Stauropramen).
10-30-2012 20:44:28 | More by Arithmeticus
3.28/5 rDev +9%
A 12oz CAN into a pint glass
A- Goldmine Lager is a crisp light yellow with some spots of amber. Just the faintest little cap i've ever seen, it eventually goes into nothing leaving a semi dead looking drink, but there are some rising bubbles coming up.
S- Corn and grain are the main contenders here. Your typical adjunct scent without the skunk that goes with some in the pact,
T- There is more flavor in here than I was expecting but it isnt much more than some grain and corn, some sweet malts. A earthy hop flavor in the back that is barely a whisper.
M- Kinda lively from the CAN with a bit of zing, easy drinking, good enough to go down easy like. Very light bodied and pretty crisp.
D- I think I would enjoy this more off of the tap, the appeal of this went away after 6 oz or so, but i finished the liquid with ease.
10-08-2012 20:05:47 | More by BARFLYB
North Carolina
2.33/5 rDev -22.6%
Ah, good old World Brews. Producing cheap mediocre swill under a thousand generic faces for years now. Picked up a sixer of this nonsense at the Whole Foods in Charlottesville. this pours with startling clarity and a surprisingly decent head. Some decent lacing is a bonus as well. Nose is pure adjunct-town. This is the beer you think it is: a not very good one. Some sweetish malt and a whiff of hops but not much else. Drinkable but not desirable.
09-09-2012 23:35:32 | More by daliandragon
2.33/5 rDev -22.6%
Pours a clear yellow with a 1 inch foamy white head that settles to a film on top of the beer. Foamy streaks of lace form around the glass on the drink down. Smell is of grain, sugar, and some slight fruity aromas. Taste is of grain and sugar. There is an extremely slight bitterness on the palate with each sip. This beer has a pretty good level of carbonation with a slightly crisp mouthfeel. Overall, this is a pretty poor beer with a better smell than taste.
05-06-2012 03:57:12 | More by UCLABrewN84
3/5 rDev -0.3%
Appearance: Poured 2 cans into a 24oz mug and watched the 1 inch head die down to a healthy quarter. It has a slightly hazy straw color and about average carbonation.
Smell: I'm smelling bread and corn with just a hint of malt at the back end.
Taste: This stuff tastes like salty corn flakes with very little malt or hops.
Mouthfeel: Moderate carbonation--maybe a little thin.
Overall: For $5.99 a twelve pack, this is a pretty good deal. It's a decent adjunct brew, and I could see it being a summer time thirst quencher.
11-07-2011 01:37:57 | More by godlessape
2.75/5 rDev -8.6%
12oz can. Bottom of can stamped 0751 14:48. Who knows what that means.
Appearance - Clean. Very slightly foggy pale yellow.
Smell - Slightly malty. Very corny. Typical.
Taste - Musky corn with a slight metallic and bubblegum finish.
Mouthfeel - Low to moderate body carbonation.Not flat but not bubbly.
Overall Drinkability - Meh. Decent if subpar lager.
09-03-2011 17:52:54 | More by ZenAgnostic
3.93/5 rDev +30.6%
Straw color, very clear. A little carbonation. Small head. Lacing looks fairly nice on the glass.
Sweet grains. A little bitterness. A hint of adjunct, maybe corn. Smells a lot better than most adjunct lager I had.
Sweet grainy up front along with dry bitterness in the finish. A lot more flavor and body that most adjunct lager I had. Malt is sweet, grainy, grass and cereal, a little corn flake. Dry bitterness at the end from the hops. Body is medium. Very soft carbonation in my palate.
Crisp, but dry finish. Clean dry aftertaste. Highly drinkable.
For an Adjunct Lager, this is very good.
07-30-2011 17:30:52 | More by mjurney
3.43/5 rDev +14%
12oz canned August 24th 2010, not exactly fresh but this is a "fresh" delivery our distributor just sent us. Served cold in a nonic glass.
Pours lightly hazy pale yellow with a one finger white head that leaves some lacing at first but diminishes to a wispy cap pretty quickly.
Aroma is sweet grains, corn, bread, and I swear to god I'm even picking up a hint of grassy and citrus hops. Good strength and a pleasant aroma for the style.
Flavor is sweet corn, grains, a touch of sulfur on the back end, pretty sweet too, particularly on the finish.
Mouthfeel is lightish although a bit syrupy and sticky for the style, prickly carbonation.
For $6.99 a 12-pack, this really isn't too bad considering its competition.
05-12-2011 00:25:53 | More by elgiacomo
3.05/5 rDev +1.3%
Beer poured from can into Stella-Lager glass
A - Very well carbonated; clear light golden colored body; white two-three finger head formed; lots of lacing did form on the sides of the glass; both of which dissipated very quickly
S - Grain smell; corn and some wheat; lager airiness to it with a crisp scent, tight but not overwhelming; after a while some fruit scents do come up with a grape and/or champagne like scent
T - Slightly grainy; corn and fruity bite at the tip of the palate; very light flavors though; champagne/white grape like
M - Light and slightly effervescent; thin and crisp on the tongue; refreshing
D - Refreshing taste; not too heavy; a decent summer time beer; mediocre for a lager though
05-02-2011 00:47:59 | More by ferrari29
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Interesting post. Though I have to say, and perhaps off topic, on the matter of traditional religions they lose me at the beginning. On the idea of sin.
What exactly are Craig's experiences?
According to his personal testimony, he felt a lot better after a good cry and then went outside and saw a lot of stars in the sky.
Why do these rather banal experiences trump all evidence?
Does Craig hear voices? Does he see visions?
What inner experiences does he have?
Has he ever said?
I think Craig's Inner Witness can actually be used against him. He says, well, many Christians say, that those who reject the gospel do so not because of honest disbelief, but a voluntary resistance the the Holy Spirit, senus divintatis or whatever makes them culpable enough that God is justified in sending them to hell. But this is not true, as many nonbelievers know from their own experience–which is like their own inner witness, an atheist's reformed epistomology. The argument would go like this:
1. If Christianity is true, then I, a self-declared nonbeliever, would actually be resisting the Holy spirit/ evidence provided by my sensus divintatis.
2. I'm not resisting the Holy Spirit, ect.
3. So, Christianity is not true.
I think Craig et al would be commited to the truth of the first premise. And the atheist provides his own inner witness to the truth of the second.
I don't know the answer to your questions. I found his "personal testimony" embarrassing to listen to.
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Yeah. Good point. I think a good atheological argument could be drawn up along these lines:
1) If God exists, then humans have been implanted with a sensus divinitatis.
You could adduce Plantinga's arguments from Warranted Christian Belief here. If God is benevolent and wants his creatures to be aware of him, he will make his existence easily knowable by all humans. The best way to do that would be to implant some sort of properly basic and warranted sensus.
2. It is not the case that humans have been implanted with a sensus divinitatis.
Here you could draw upon the many recent evolutionary and neurological accounts that give naturalistic explanations of our numinous experiences.
3. Therefore, God does not exist.
How can we not know what Craig's inner experiences are?
He must say what they are. After all, he claims they are very important, so he must have a basic description of them somewhere.
Does he hear voices saying 'You are right. The others are wrong'?
If the 'inner witness' is important, sceptics want to know what it is.
How can you discuss something with somebody who claims he has important evidence, but never describes it?
Voices in my head is where Craig claims he hears voices, or perhaps just one voice.
' We mustn't so concentrate on the arguments that we fail to bear the inner voice of God to our own hearts. For those who listen, God becomes an immediate reality in their lives.'
When Craig listens to his voices telling him things, what does he hear?
Could we get a transcript of this 'inner voice'?
Or does Craig not hear voices, but simply gets the feeling that he must be right and people who disagree with him must be wrong?
And then describes his self-belief as 'the inner witness of the Holy Spirit.'?
How does that differ from the inner witness of people who just know deep inside that white people are superior to black people?
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I try to recall when I was a devout Christian (quite some time ago now) whether I had any experiences that I interpreted as the "inner testimony" of the Holy Spirit. I recall feelings of inspiration, but certainly no different or more intense than I can get now listening to a Bruckner symphony. Some passages from the Bible were moving but no more so than passages from Shakespeare. Some passages were beautiful, but no more so (and generally less so) than the Iliad. I guess the Christian message seemed intuitively true to me then but no more so than it seems intuitively false to me now. So, I am still just not sure what elements of the Christian experience are supposed to confer such indubitability.
Hi Keith,
You write: "I think that Craig needs to be asked something like this: What is the precise nature of the experience that you call the "inner testimony of the Holy Spirit?""
I am not William Lane Craig, but perhaps can suggest an answer to this question from my liberal and inclusivist Christian perspective:
On theism the ground and structure of all existence is God. So, strictly speaking, the ultimate origin of all experience is divine. One calls specifically "religious" those experiences which happen in one's case to be more conducive to the realization of the presence of God in the foundation of all things. So what makes an experience religious is not the experience alone, but the conjunction of the experience itself and the state of the subject of that experience. Or, perhaps more precisely, an experience is strongly affected by the subject's personal state. Which effect (i.e. that one's experience of X may be quite different from another's) is quite common outside the context of religion. So, for example, a person may watch the stars at night without being aware that she is looking at far away suns. Only a musician perceives the beauty in a sheet of music. Quite dramatically, only a speaker of Chinese perceives the meaning of the experience of spoken Chinese. And so on.
So, here is the state of affairs: On the one hand, we have the reality and commonness of religious experiences, with some people testifying that they sometimes perceive God with a clarity and realism which surpasses that of looking at physical objects. On the other hand the physical sciences have proved beyond reasonable doubt the physical closure of the universe, and also the perfect correlation between our experiences (including their qualitative dimensions) and physical processes taking place in our brain. Which implies that the content of religious experiences can be explained, at least in principle, on a purely physical basis. So what can one make of these facts?
As you do in your post, one possibility is to point out the differences of belief among religious people and argue that therefore religious experiences are probably not veridical. This is a common objection, but I think does not withstand critical examination. After all metaphysics is hard, so it's no wonder that religious people disagree among themselves. By any objective measure the disagreements among naturalists are even deeper (but no naturalist argues that therefore naturalists are probably imagining things). Moreover I'd argue that many of the apparent differences among religious worldviews are superficial. For example the fact that the Western religions focus on the personal attributes of what's metaphysically fundamental, while Buddhism (arguably) doesn't – does not imply that Buddhism contradicts Western theism. Neither does the fact that a musician calls a sheet of music beautiful and a non-musician calls it a random set of scribblings entail a contradiction. People living at the north side of an island may claim that the peak of a mountain is round without contradicting those at the east side who claim that the peak of the mountain is sharp. Like all epistemic tools, so too propositional logic should not be applied blindly.
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A second possibility is to use these facts to argue that religious experiences must therefore be illusory. This type of argument also fails I think. After all the veridicality of an experience, as the truth of a belief, are independent of their origins (see the so-called genetic fallacy). Indeed, all experiences (both veridical and illusory) and all beliefs (both true and false) can be described as the result of some physical processes in the brain. Therefore the fact that also religious experiences and beliefs can be thus described implies nothing about their veridicality or truth value. We check for the truth of a belief on grounds relevant to that belief. Similarly we should check for the veridicality of an experience on grounds relevant to that experience. So, how do we distinguish between an illusion and the experience of something real, *without* begging the question by making previous metaphysical assumptions? I'd say that an experience is not illusory when it is found to be coherent and consistently useful, and especially when it is self-transforming in a positive way. So, for example, if one finds out that drinking a transparent stuff called "water" quenches one's thirst then one need not worry about people claiming that water is an illusion. Thus I submit that by any non question begging criteria religious experience should be considered veridical, especially when found to be life enriching.
A third possibility is to use these facts to argue that religious experiences do not constitute a defeater for naturalism. After all they can be explained on purely naturalistic principles and are thus entirely compatible with a naturalistic worldview. I think that argument not only fails, but can be turned around: All naturalistic worldviews entail that reality is purposeless. So how probable is it that a purposeless reality should be such that physical processes in our brain would cause experiences which are as pragmatically useful as the religious experiences are? In other words, the claim that the physical universe simply happens to be such that religious experiences not only exist but make so much sense and have so much life enriching power – such a claim is on its face extremely implausible. And, by the way, the naturalist cannot explain this problem away using the multiverse hypothesis, or by an appeal to the anthropic principle, or by expressing one's confidence in future discoveries of the physical sciences.
Coming back to the main theme of your post, perhaps I wouldn't agree with Craig that "religious experience trumps everything". My main point is that unless one has a defeater reason requires one to assume the veridicality of religious experiences when they are coherent and consistently useful. Is there such a defeater? Naturalism, given its many conceptual problems, doesn't look like as a good candidate. And the fact that there is really zero evidence for naturalism makes it look even worse. Finally, the only serious problem theism suffers from, namely the problem of evil in some of its versions, is being continuously clipped away by theistic philosophers. Given this epistemic state of affairs I think that somebody who has strong religious experiences of a life affirming kind is entirely within her epistemic rights to consider such experiences veridical.
A lot of words , but all I wanted was a description of this inner witness.
Do people hear voices?
If this inner witness is so important, why have Christians taken a vow of silence never to describe it?
I once had an experience I believe was from God. I was alone reading a book, about to go get lunch, when I had this overwhelming joy and desire to praise God come over me. I literally felt "drunk." It stayed for about 20 minutes. The whole time I couldn't stop praising God. Never happened before, never happened since (20 years ago). I am not prone to emotional outbursts of any kind and still do not entirely understand it all. I do not go to a crazy charismatic church or anything like that. I was alone reading a book.
I have no idea what Craig's experience was, but if it was like mine, it was very convincing. BTW, no voices or anything other than intense joy and a desire to praise God. I am sure you can argue that euphoric experiences happen in other religions, maybe even when someone isn't in a service or something like that, but I understand Craig when he says that he has an inner testimony to the truth of God's reality. I sure do.
So you felt intense joy.
How is that evidence of anything?
How does it differ from the inner conviction of the Yorkshire Ripper that God wanted him to butcher prostitutes?
I notice that this god seems to be unable to communicate in English, as there are no voices.
Religious people sometimes use the expression "inner witness" in order to convey that religious experiences are experiences of perception. The way one on the outside perceives the presence of a physical universe, so one on the inside perceives the presence of God, or, perhaps more generally, the presence of a spiritual order which is primary and deeply meaningful.
Now I understand you want a description of that experience of perception, i.e. of how it is like to perceive God. Please note that it is virtually impossible to describe an experience of perception to someone who has not had it. For example, how would you describe to a colorblind person your experience of the color red, or indeed to a blind person your experience of light? Or to a deaf person your experience of music? How would you describe to a morally handicapped person your moral sense, for example that to help a child in need is better than to torture it for fun?
Erik in his previous post describes his religious experience, but please observe that what he is describing is not what he perceived, but rather how what he perceived impacted him, namely by bringing about feelings of great joy and of appreciation. In the same vein he describes how his experience was deemed to be very convincing. Actually, some people describe some of their religious experiences as having a clarity and realism which is greater than their everyday experience of the physical universe around them.
Incidentally, religious experiences are of many different kinds, which is not at all surprising considering that through them one perceives an entire dimension of reality. What is rather striking though is how common religious experiences are and how similarly they are spoken of in all places and in all religions and at all times in history. Incidentally, the classic book about this topic is William James' "Varieties of Religious Experience".
You ask: "Do people hear voices?"
I understand this is almost never the case.
"So [Erik] felt intense joy. How is that evidence of anything?"
It is evidence that perceiving God sometimes (actually quite often) causes feelings of intense joy. Which in turn is evidence about a major consequence of having a relationship with God.
"How does it differ from the inner conviction of the Yorkshire Ripper that God wanted him to butcher prostitutes?"
Given the facts of the case, the Yorkshire Ripper may well be a mentally ill person, or else may have lied in order to improve his chances with the courts. So the analogy you raise is not at all relevant. I have no actual statistics but there are probably billions of people in the world who have had religious experiences, and in the vast majority of cases these experiences have been a positive force in their lives, both subjectively (i.e. from their own point of view) and objectively (i.e. from the point of view of those around them). To pick one aberrant case out of a huge population in order to make a point is to commit the so-called fallacy of "hasty generalization".
In conclusion, religious experiences is a major reality of the human condition, which religious people, reasonably enough, call upon as one justification for their religious belief.
Lots of words , but no answers ,except to claim that people who have experiences of a god that turn stomachs must be mentally ill rather than really experiencing a god.
This is really begging the question, especially as there is no reason at all why this alleged god should not talk to mentally ill people.
Jesus spoke to lepers, but this god does not talk to mentally ill people.
He has some limits….
So far, all I have found out is that these religious experiences are simply the banal, everyday occurrence of euphoria – a Greek word, invented before Christianity even existed.
Nothing to see there – just some people claiming they know they are right, because they felt really good.
Which is just plain arrogance.
And as valid as claiming that I just know my dog understands every word I say…..
'Actually, some people describe some of their religious experiences as having a clarity and realism which is greater than their everyday experience of the physical universe around them.'
In other words, their god still can't master basic English enough to talk to them, and all they can do is boast about a religious experience which is no more valid than the endorphin high a masochist gets after being whipped.
Indeed, Christians used to whip themselves to get exactly those feelings.
Or starve themselves. Or mortify the flesh in other ways.
Anything to get the endorphins and opiates that some people get through drugs, some through floggings, some through religious experiences,some through davening and some through whirling in a dervish manner.
If only this god could master English and communicate through words.
All these 'religious experiences' are worth nothing, no more than the endorphin high of a masochist is proof that people should get whipped on a regular basis.
I attempted to give an account of an experience I had, that has meaning to me when I contemplate the existence of God. I attempted to communicate that I was not trying to "whip" myself up into some masochist endorphin frenzy. Previous posts asked for what Craig's experience might be like. I don't know his experience, but just told you what happened to me.
I do not think that every time someone claims to have had an experience with God, it therefore must have happened nor must be exactly what the person interpreted the experience to be.
But I know what happened to me, and my perception is that it was real (from God) – in large part because it was so unexpected, did not involve group think, drugs, frenzied singing or anything like that. Nor am I someone prone to such things.
I agree with you that many "experiences" people claim to have are not real, especially given man's ability to fool himself, and great skepticism and caution should be the first response to any such claims. I respect that you would treat my account with caution then, but I think you extend beyond both courtesy and reason when you then make the claim that all such experiences are "worth nothing." You clearly cannot know that unless you believe yourself up to the task of proving a universal negative.
Your experience was worth nothing.
No god communicated with you. No voices. No visions. No transfer of any information.
At least people who claim to have been abducted by aliens are able to describe their encounters, and don't resort to vague claims of feeling euphoria as proof that aliens exist.
' Previous posts asked for what Craig's experience might be like. I don't know his experience, but just told you what happened to me.'
According to Craig's testimony, he felt a lot better after a good cry and then went outside and noticed that there were a lot of stars in the sky.
It is sheer arrogance to claim that these mundane experiences are the creator of the universe manifesting himself to you.
All the boasting in the world about the astonishing nature of such experiences and how only a god can account for the amazing nature of your personal feelings means nothing.
Human beings who boast that their personal feelings are so intense that they must come from a god do nothing more than reveal how egocentric they are.
The nub of the issue isn't how best to describe these subjective happenings or their origin or meaning or usefulness.
The question is, to what extent would you trust my religious experiences are a source of knowledge about our world?
Why would you trust them any more than my dreams?
The question you raise is a good one. Why should we trust other people's experiences (or dreams) that we cannot put under a microscope and recreate?
As I said before, I think we ought to treat all claims about religious experiences (which may be dreams) with a certain degree of skepticism. We know that people can fool themselves. People can misinterpret some chemical or hormonal process in a way that is not reflective of reality. I think this is why Craig doesn't lead with this argument.
But because it is difficult to verify, it does not logically follow that the experience wasn't a true experience with God. He had an experience that he feels was real, but knows that others, who cannot share in it or verify it, will not find it as significant a piece of evidence as it does to him. But does that mean he should not mention it? Of course not.
I see this coming back to, in large part, the nature of evidence and testimony. One thing you can do is examine the speaker and learn some things about him just as you would examine the credibility of a witness in a courtroom. Is he prone to lying? Is he a drug user? What is his personal character like and how is that exemplified in his relationships? Is he trustworthy? Does his/her approach to religion include weird mental exercises or meditations?
Secondly, you can examine motive. Does Craig, or me, have financial gains associated with telling what happened to us? Why do it? I cannot speak for Craig, but I feel awkward telling people what happened to me and so almost never tell people. (As I said, that kind of thing has never happened before or since and I don't go to church seeking experiences like that.)
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The word "Himalaya" most probably derives from the Sanskrit word "hima" ("snow") plus "ãlaya" ("abode"). Thus, the Himalayas are a place of residence high in the mountains, covered in snow. The very name "Himalaya," then, evokes an image of exoticism, a mystical, harmonious mountain range isolated from the world.
The Himalayas are a mountain range in Asia separating the plains of the Indian subcontinent from the Tibetan plateau. The Himalayan range, known as the "Rooftop of the World," is home to some of the planet's tallest peaks, including Mount Everest, the world's highest, at 29,029 feet. It has over a hundred mountains exceeding 23,000 feet in height. Most of the Himalayas lie above the snow line.
At the crossroads of ancient Asian civilizations, the Himalayas are home to a mixture of Indian, Tibetan, and Chinese cultures, with their followers of Islam, Buddhism, and Hinduism. The Himalayan range consists of three parallel sub-ranges that cross six countries: Bhutan, India, Nepal, Tibet, the People's Republic of China, and Pakistan, with the first four countries having sovereignty over most of the range. The severe conditions in remote parts of the region make travel difficult, and for most of history the people of the region have been largely isolated from surrounding cultures.
Himalayan Kingdoms is a compilation of stunning color photographs taken by Héctor Méndez Caratini during his major trip to Southeast Asia in the summer of 2011. During his pilgrimage, Méndez Caratini photographed over two-dozen major monasteries and convents high in the mountains. The images explore the cultural diversity of the region and evidence the artist's communion with the ancestral deities dwelling inside the dark, mysterious monasteries. This book contains 143 fascinating color photographs of monks living inside the monasteries high in the Himalayan range, as well as scenes from exotic and rarely visited sites in Tibet, Nepal, and Bhutan.


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Barbara Collins
Mr. and Mrs. Jonathan Rogers
along with (or and)
Mr. and Mrs. William Michaels
request the honour of your presence
at the marriage of
Elizabeth Jane
Gary James etc.
Sunday, the fourth of November
Two thousand and one
At half after six o"clock
Holy Trinity Church
Wilmington, Delaware
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