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Regarding the question about supplements, we know what supplements are and what they do. They SUPPLEMENT a proper diet and training regimen. The RIGHT supplements (and at AtLarge that is all we sell, products that actually work as claimed) will give you incremental gains above and beyond that you could achieve without them. So, our HCT-12 program will provide excellent results without the use of any supplements (just like my 30 lbs to your bench in 30 days program), but if you do decide to incorporate the recommended AtLarge supplements you will realize even better results. The decision is yours. Frankly, if I were doing the program and my budget was really tight, the one supplement I would be sure to include would be RESULTS.
When this thing launches it is really going to take WBB into the stratosphere as far as online sites go. It is an amazing program without the b.s. spin that so many other companies choose to employ. In a nutshell, it encompasses all of the values Daniel and I have always shared about this site and AtLarge: no b.s., effective advice and products that will get you exactly what you want in the gym, or on the field.
Can this program be done on a 3 day workout per week ? Also curious if it combines low rep and heavy compound lifts mixed with high two lighter weight on the isolation exercises ?
Or are all lifts pretty high reps ? Like the "Omega Project" which would have all lifts with the same rep count like 1*20, 1*12, 1*10, 1*8, and last 5th set is dropset to failure, the first 4 sets were progressively heavier.
This was a pretty popular program on another forum a few years ago and it was for hand picked members only and was monitored with daily advice on how to adjust certain things and which specific exercises to do every week etc....
I am looking forward to this program, really want to fill out my shoulders and arms which seem impossible to build up any further without gaining to much weight or getting fat, and I am mote of thin guy and hard gainer
I am just frustrated when I look at myself in the mirror, and not seeing a bodybuilder type body. I have been doing the 5/3/1/ workout for 5 months now, and every month I add more weight to the bar, and my lifts are going up, but my body does not seem to show it at all.
I feel for me, a guy with that thinner runner body type most my life. I am 36yrs old now, and for most my adult life I always weighed approx 165lbs, and I am 5'11" tall. Since adding Whey protein and creatine to my diet I have gone up 20+lbs, and currently weight 190lb, since I started getting serious about working out again like a year and a half ago in 2008, but for gaining almost 25lbs, I still do not have that defined pumped look I was looking for, with big shoulders and bulging arms.
Out of all the programs I have tried, it seems for me that really high reps going down to low reps and adding weight to each set progressively, and finishing off with a dropped set, seemed to do the trick, better than lifting balls to walls heavy and low reps. It is like the low reps and heavy lifts don't activate my muscles or something ?
That's why I thought the 5/3/1/ routine would be the end all of all programs, it combines heavy and low rep compound exercises mixed with high volume and higher rep assistance exercises, but looking in the mirror I don;t see a major transformation yet.
It is frustrating to say the least, because I am putting in all this time 3 days per week, and lifting hard, and really working on it, and then to not have much results at the end of the day, just sucks.
sounds great can't wait to have a look at the program
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I am not saying that there is anything wrong with taking steroids or those supplements, but to expect your body to transform in to something that requires a scientific and chemical edge is unreasonable.
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It really sounds great Dan + Chris.
The thing which I've liked about WBB over the years is that it puts quality first and bs last. The articles you put out have always been of a very high standard but usually with basic, effective information. It is rare to see an article on obscure science and irrelevant training techniques. The forums are full of constructive advice - and I think the mostly powerlfiting angle has helped that. And AtLarge has seperated itself from the supplement field by offering a handful of great versions of the basics: protein, creatine, vitamins and a couple of unique products. It doesn't sell 100 random powders that may or may not help.
So when I saw HCT-12 I was actually a bit worried. What new thing could there be? Was WBB going to invent new training methods, where they going to rebrand something old into something flashy and complicated? Now I'm relieved that it sounds like you are sticking to effective techniques and no gimmicks. If all that comes out of this is a new routine then I'll be happy. And if its got a few twists here and there then I'm sure they'll work.
So... what things have the testers noticed so far? Can we have few more updates from people before this thing goes live?
Here is a simple question for everyone, is this a body part split, and upper/lower, or full body routine?
Success is achieved by doing a little more than you thought you could, and a lot more than anyone else.
Thank you so much and yes, it does answer MOST of my questions except a new one: tomsids said he managed to gain 30 lb on the pilot so far. Now, in no way am I saying this is marketing, but depending on how long it took him to gain those pounds, I'd say it's pretty close to I BODYBUILDER claims (;
Also, man I would love to help you, but I have currently have no job and cannot buy supplements at the moment, and quite possibly will not be able to buy any supplements unless I am able to nail a job. Also, I really have no idea how you're doing it and how much work is being put into the forum, but I really hope wannabebig has huge success and in the future, will not have to struggle financially.
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don't you think claims of 30lbs in 5 weeks will be outlandish as well? No disrespect, but to pack on 30 quality lbs in 5 weeks absurd. Even 10 pounds of lbm in 5 weeks is pretty off the wall..
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Correct, it may be outlandish, but if wannabebig sticks to quality, which I know they will, WHAT EXACTLY WOULD YOU SAY WHEN THOSE 30 LB ARE REALIZED? I bet you your first is to cheer so hard and I bet you quoting science is the furthest from your thinking. You probably would be cursing science haha. Now please realize I'm not saying science is bs. I'm just saying if it happens, things will change forever.
I can see adding 30lbs to a beginner body builder, or someone who has taken a long period off from lifting weights, and hasn't taken supplements or whey ever before, or in a long time.
If your new to lifting, and a skinny guy, and then add in Whey Protein if you never took it before. Start lifting heavy, and downing the Whey, and you pack on on lbs pretty quick.
Now this is a whole nother story if an experienced body builder who has been lifting on a solid program and eats good, and already takes supplements. If that person can gain an additional 30lbs, that would be insane in my opinion.
Daniel Roberts clearly did a ton of research when creating this program. Having read through the reasoning behind it, I can attest that its free from marketing hype and based on unbiased studies.
Ive always attributed my difficulty in gaining weight to being a hard gainer, but this program has helped me see that Ive really just been undereating for my height. As unbelievable as it may sound, I gained 7.5 pounds last week.
If youre looking for more numbers, so far Ive
Increased my:
Angled leg press by 75 lbs
Pull down weight by over 20 lbs
Barbell row by 20 lbs
Deadlift by 55 lbs
Standing dumbbell press by 10 lbs
Bench press by over 20 lbs
Seated calf raise by 25 lbs
Triceps extension by 40 lbs
Barbell curl by 20 lbs
Maxed out the abdominal crunch machine
As was mentioned previously, HCT-12 doesnt require you to buy any supplements. However, anyone whos lifted weights knows that they do accelerate your gains. My suggestion is to read Daniels report when the program is released and at least try it out for a couple months.
Tom, about how much of that weight would you say is fat? Obviously, you were (are?) seriously underweight for your height, so fat gain may not matter all that much to you, but if you had to estimate? Also, what does your daily calorie intake and macros look like? Thanks.
So people in the program right now, can you answer this please ? Is this program;
- Low rep heavy weight routine ?
- High rep routine ?
- Combination of both ?
All, Im thoroughly enjoying this program. Its well thought out takes advantage of some relatively simple (on paper) proven concepts. Im getting stronger and bigger. I have set some PRs for myself (which can be cross substantiated in my old journal if your THAT paranoid).
Its a solid program that I think people will enjoy and I know Ill be sticking it out past the 12 weeks!
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If youre thick already, you probably wont get his results, but if you call yourself a hard gainer read Toms journal after the pilot and get ready to put that to bed.
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" I'd give up a pinky or a toe or something I don't need those"
"Remember, as long as you don't kick them in the head or use a weapon, it's only a misdemeanor." -JustinASU
I nominate this thread for the Tim Nissen Award! -El P
Why would ANYONE on this site doubt us? EVER????
We have NEVER misrepresented **** to ANYONE HERE.
The fellow who has gained 30 lbs is not typical. The average is significantly less. Cool???
This program is SOLID and VERY effective. We are making any stupid claims. We aren't jamming hundreds of dollars of supplements down your throats. Just like WBB has always done, and AtLarge has always done, we are OFFERING a great product which works as claimed and in this case it is FREE. WTF else do people want???
I wish the doubters knew what we have spent on this program.
Look, the doubters will doubt and haters will hate, the REST of us will get real big, real strong, real lean, or some combination thereof. The choice is yours...
Chris youve always been such a soft spoken softie!
Seriously though; Im always impressed with the integrity of the WBB folks and Ive been around them for a while now. In the pilot program forums it was specifically stated that you DO NOT need any supplements, you just need to hit your macros and train following the plan. Thats it. Many have elected to purchase supplements, mainly Atlarge ones too. Why? Because they support the site and its owners. They are rock solid, theyre understood by the pros and amateurs who generously give their advice as to how to train and how to use these specific supplements based on their own personal experience.
Also, the supplements are not hyped up junk packed with andro and other wack job prohormones bound to put me in a c-cup. They dont show an off season pro as a before and the same pro cut and on season and give the credit to the supplement.
Their formulation is well throught out, the compounds and blends are time tested, and theyre not chasing market hype to make quick sales.
The program HST 12 is the product of much effort and tireless nights Im sure. Its bearing great fruit and people are excited about it. No one is twisting anyones arm here. You dont have to do anything; you dont have to try the program or take any supplements. You can just not post here. This thread was for people who are excited to see the results of the pilot and to see the details of this hard fought and hard thought program. All others can go do something else.
Wait to see the substantiating pictures, meticulous logs, and measurements/other validating facts before you pass judgment. Thats all. If you review logs, look at pictures, and think through the program and dont like it, dont do it.
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" I'd give up a pinky or a toe or something I don't need those"
"Remember, as long as you don't kick them in the head or use a weapon, it's only a misdemeanor." -JustinASU
I nominate this thread for the Tim Nissen Award! -El P
To everybody, including Chris, we're not exactly doubting. But I do have advice for a positive outlook. If it works like it should, JUST WAIT TILL YOU SEE THE WORDS OF THOSE WHO GAINED THOSE 30 LBS! This isn't like tmuscle which, as far as I've seen, no one has come close to the claims they've promised. Also, if it works, and a lot of people get results, PEOPLE WILL FLOCK, and if it works even better with the supplements, that would be more financial support for WBB. I'm new here, but I absolutely love the atmosphere here. Nobody wants to screw anybody over here. So, if you help others, they'll help you. If you are supportive of WBB, they'll continue to help you.
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" I'd give up a pinky or a toe or something I don't need those"
"Remember, as long as you don't kick them in the head or use a weapon, it's only a misdemeanor." -JustinASU
I nominate this thread for the Tim Nissen Award! -El P
I don't disagree with your points above, but we have never asked for anything other than that. We have a lot of people testing the program as we speak. We had a contest to choose them from this site. Real members. So, the results will be the results of fellow WBB members. After that, the general public gets a shot and most of them will experience similar results if they follow the program. The rest, will be history .
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Howard Tiedemann of Cresskill who served in both the Korean War and World War II, said "This stuff goes on all the time. He's a great guy. I don't think he should have resigned. I think he did a great job over there."
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Hi all!
Is there a way to restrict the number of header files shown when clicking the '.h' icon in an editor? Espec. with Symbian projects I get a good three to four screen pages of framework headers along with my three own headers.
In short: I'd like to set the number of indirections in the header file listing. Is this possible?


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Sweetest Beach House you will find in Playa Del Rey
- bedrooms 3
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- sleeps 6
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$ 1,700 - $ 2,100 / week
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Steps to the sand, ocean can be seen from in front of gate entrance, direct pathway to beach.
Relax with friends and/or family on vacation or feel like you are on a vacation while traveling on
This comfortable and cozy bottom unit duplex has all the comforts and conveniences of home. We offer
you our home to enjoy as your own and we are certain that you love it as much as we do! We have very
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Playa del Reyes 310-439-2589
house rental amenities
• Bedroom #1, Full size bed with flat screen TV
• Bedroom #2 Queen size bed in tranquil environment with TV
• Room #3, Queen size bed & TV
• Living room includes large screen TV with digital cable (HBO), fire place, and lovely garden view.
• Huge private patio includes outdoor dining, elegant lounge, fire pit, fountain, BBQ, out door shower and more.
• Full kitchen stocked with all the appliances you will need (dishes, glasses, pots, microwave,
coffee maker, filtered water/ice and more).
• Wireless Internet access, DVD/CD,VHS, Stereo, Cable with HBO and Showtime
• Beach toys available (beach chairs, lounges, coolers, boogie boards, bikes and more).
• Just minutes from LAX
• Near by grocery for your convenience
One block from local entertainment including:
• Casual restaurants (American, Italian, Mexican, Chinese, Cafes, Coffee Shops, Juice Bar)
• Local bars offer (up scale lounge, pool, darts, karaoke, live music, sports games and more)
• Up scale restaurants (Italian, Tapas, French, California Cuisine)
• Lounge
• Billiards
• Park (basketball court, baseball diamond, soccer field, picnic area, play ground, pond with wild
• Wonderful bike path (enjoy biking, skating, strolling)
• Fisherman's Warf located off the bike path (here you can hop a ride to Catalina Island, rent water
sport equipment, listen to live music and enjoy a variety of restaurants on the Marina.
Parking available.
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• We are known for having one of be best volley ball beaches around (as featured in Los
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o Catch the Marina Del Rey Water Bus, June 27-Sept. 1, 2008
FARE: $1.00 per person, one way.
Day Pass available for $5.00; Season Pass for $30.00
Bikes and strollers welcome.
Waterbus service available during the summer:
Fridays: 5pm - Midnight; Saturdays: 11am - Midnight
Sundays: 11am - 9pm
Holiday Schedule: July 4: 11am - Midnight; Labor Day:11am - 9pm
o Water Bus picks you up at one side of the Marina and drops you at the other,
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Renewable Energy Becoming More Feasible
Energy...It's an important part of food production. Whether you're talking natural gas, petroleum, or electricity, the the US Department of Agriculture reports 15 percent of all ag expenses are directly tied to energy. If an ag producers can reduce their energy demand this will immediately improve a producers bottom line.
Renewable energy is growing in popularity with new technology, but is feasible for the region? Sun and wind are robust renewable energy sources across Wyoming and Nebraska. In speaking at the Southeast Wyoming Beef Production Convention in Torrington, University of Wyoming Energy Extension Coordinator Milt Geiger told KNEB/Rural Radio Network that both renewable energy alternative have their strengths.
Maintenance should also weigh into a person decision as well. With new advancements, Geiger says wind is becoming quite reliable, but there are moving parts that are working in a hostile environment. With solar electric there are less moving parts working in a more controlled environment.
Before switching to renewable energy alternatives, not only does it have to provide a consistent source of power, but it also has economically make sense. Geiger says the most cost effective option is solar powered livestock watering systems. He says if a ground water pump is located more than a quarter of a mile from the power pole than it economically makes sense to install a solar panel.
With high energy costs, producers may consider less expensive alternatives to heat or cool their home. Geiger recommends renewable options like geothermal and ground source heat pump that uses the ambient temperature of the earth to heat the home.
As producers consider switching to any of these renewable alternatives, Geiger says the government is offering incentives through 2016. Other incentives are also available for ag producers and land owners. Geiger says the Natural Resource Conservation Service is making a big push toward renewable energy as well as other other USDA agencies.
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Jessica Willingham led the Blue Devils with a double-double effort, scoring 20 points and pulling down 10 rebounds. Alexis Cooper followed with 11 points, six rebounds and two blocked shots.
Cordova opened the game with a 10-point lead in the first period, 15-5, before the Bulldogs cut the lead to eight going into halftime, 25-17. Gaston drew within three points in the third period to cut Cordova's advantage to 35-32.
The Lady Blue Devils face the Cedar Bluff Tigers today at 10 a.m. in day two of the tournament.
Mitch Smith Yule Tide Classic
Dora 50, Tanner 47
After a slow first half, Dora turned up the offense and knocked off Tanner, the top-ranked team in Class 2A, in the second round of the Mitch Smith Yule Tide Classic at Wallace State-Hanceville on Friday.
Dora (11-3) scored just 16 points in the first half, but tallied 34 in the second half to edge Tanner 50-47.
Dora held a slim 8-4 lead after the opening quarter and the Bulldogs were up 16-15 at the half. Dora scored 20 points in the third quarter for a 36-25 lead. The Bulldogs held on over the final quarter to get the win.
Tyler Sims led Dora on offense, knocking down 7-of-8 free throws and finishing with 17 points. Kenton Petties added 12 points and seven assists, Darian Ramsey had seven points and 10 rebounds and Logan Roberts added six points.
Dora will take on Muscle Shoals at 2 p.m. today in the final day of the tournament.
Big Orange Classic
Sipsey Valley 74, Walker 65
Sipsey Valley pulled away from Walker at the free throw line on Friday, sending the Vikings to their second straight loss in the Big Orange Classic at Hoover on Friday.
Walker kept the game close throughout. The Vikings (10-5) were up 19-18 after the opening quarter and trailed 33-30 at the half.
Sipsey Valley made eight free throws in the final quarter to put Walker away.
The Vikings lost the game despite connecting on 13 3-pointers.
Riley Graham made six 3-pointers and finished with 18 points, Michael Bridges had 14 points and Brandon Thursby made three 3-pointers to finish with nine points.
Walker takes on Jackson-Olin at noon today.
The Vikings defeated the Mustangs at Songer Gym in the season opener.
Winfield Christmas Tournament
Lynn 44, American Christian 21
Lynn held American Christian scoreless in the first quarter and dominated from the opening tip in a 44-21 victory over the Patriots in their first-round game at the Winfield Christmas Tournament.
Reagan Tittle had 20 points, seven rebounds and four steals to lead the Bears while Emma Easley added four points and 10 rebounds.
Lynn led 11-0 after the opening quarter and 26-5 at the half. American Christian cut the lead to 32-18 going into the final quarter.
Abby Terry had nine points for Lynn, Holly Murray had eight points and seven rebounds, Kelci McGough added two and Mackenzie Tidwell had one point. Lynn was 17-of-28 from the free throw line.
Lynn (10-1) takes on Winfield at 7 p.m. in today's second-round game.
Haleyville 47, Lynn 29
Lynn dropped its opening game at the Winfield Christmas Tournament, falling to Haleyville 47-29 on Friday.
The Lions held Lynn to just 13 second-half points as they put the game out of reach.
Lynn (8-3) trailed 10-5 after the first quarter and 26-16 at halftime. Haleyville took a commanding 41-22 lead into the final quarter.
For the Bears, Ben Cagle had 17 points and four steals.
John Hood had 17 points for Haleyville and Dakota Rushing added eight. Lynn takes on Oakman today at 3 p.m.
Carbon Hill 62, Berry 37
Caroline Dodd had her second 40-point effort of the season as the Carbon Hill Bulldogs won their tournament opener at Winfield, beating Berry 62-37 on Friday.
Dodd had 20 points in the first half and, after not scoring in the third quarter, poured in 20 more points in the fourth quarter alone.
The game was tied 8-8 after the opening quarter and Carbon Hill led 24-21 at the half.
Carbon Hill (10-4) led 39-28 after three quarters before Dodd put the Wildcats away in the final period. Dodd added 15 rebounds.
Abby Tittle added eight points and pulled down 23 rebounds for Carbon Hill, Savanna Lawson had five points, Korey Tidwell scored four while both Molli Clark and Katie Moore had two points.
Carbon Hill takes on Holy Spirit in the second round of the tournament today.
Smith Lake Classic
Sumiton Christian 58, Addison 28
Sumiton Christian is vying for its third straight Smith Lake Classic title after a dominating win over Addison on Friday at Meek High School.
The Eagles hammered Addison 58-28 and will meet Meek in the championship game set for 5:30 p.m. today. Meek advanced with a win over Berry.
Against Addison, Sumiton Christian took a 15-7 lead into the second quarter. The Eagles (13-3) pulled away from there.
Sumiton Christian led 29-14 at the half and 47-20 after three quarters.
DeMonte Hobbs had a game-high 23 points for the Eagles while Hudson Davis added 10 points.
For Addison, Tony Brown had eight points.
The Bulldogs will face Berry in the consolation game at 4 p.m. today.
Meek 59, Berry 48
Seth Hayes had a double, double with 23 points and 10 rebounds to lead Meek past Berry in their game on Friday night.
The game was close throughout with Meek outscoring Berry 20-13 in the final quarter to take control.
Meek (5-9) led 13-10 after the first quarter and 21-19 at the half. The Tigers took a 39-35 lead into the final quarter.
Ty Neal added 14 points for Meek while Jeremiah Banks put in nine.
For Berry, Weston Bonner had 16 points, A.J. Johnson had nine and Tank Hollingsworth added eight.


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I'd like to add my voice to the growing discussion about the NRA's development plans for the waterfront lots. I came into this discussion with an open mind, but after studying the issue in depth in a "balanced" approach, I find the current NRA proposal to be the wrong one for Newburyport's central waterfront.
I'm reminded of a similar proposal a few years back in which the city administration at that time worked with Mass DOT on a proposal to rebuild High Street. Mass DOT consulted with the city on a plan, would own the majority of the costs and the city would reap the benefits. And then we saw "the plan" that called for four lanes of traffic, no trees, etc. The opposition rally was "High Street not a High-way." In short, the "standard" plan as proposed by the state agency did not fit with Newburyport and thus we did not move forward with that plan. I can't help but see the striking parallel to the NRA working with MassDevelopment (and their team of consultants: Abramson Assoc., Union Studio, etc.). What might work in Boston, Cambridge or Marina Bay doesn't fit the Newburyport brand, specifically our history of communal use of our waterfront.
Additionally, not only is the size and scope of the proposal out of proportion to the voters' wishes, but more importantly, this project is non-compliant with every regulation enacted for clean water, tideland use restriction and other environmental issues (think highly contaminated soil meets Clean Water Act). This project, as presently defined, would subject the taxpayers of Newburyport to the potential of long-term litigation from federal and state agencies, citizens groups and the unlucky developer once all the restrictions are publicly disclosed.
To make its case, the NRA has consistently floated the notion that this project could be worth $20 million or more. The fact is the City of Newburyport would only see a small fraction (maybe 2 to 4 percent) of that money. The big money is made by the developer and those involved in selling the condos or the commercial space. In short, there is little to no long-term upside for the citizens/taxpayers for having a building on these lots. These lots are already generating revenue. The NRA currently takes in a bit less than $100K a year for their portion of parking revenues as a result of the city's implementation of paid parking, which they are spending on consultants in support of this proposal.


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(WMC-TV) - From your home office printer to your utility meter, the Action News Five investigators uncovered five household items that could be collecting and distributing your private information.
1.) Color Laser Printers:
Documents you print may have yellow tracking dots you cannot see that reveal the printer's serial number and the date and time of printing. Those dots are used to crack down on counterfeiters, but the Electronic Frontier Foundation reports the government can also use those dots to track any document you print.
2.) Coupons printed at home:
According to the author of Brandwashed, coupons are often encoded with your personal information in the bar codes of digital coupons. Information that includes your computer's IP address, when you found the coupon, where you redeemed it, and even the search terms you used to find it.
3.) Loyalty Cards:
Store loyalty cards are great for discounts, but how much are you losing with those savings? A lot of retailers use the cards to collect purchasing data on customers, and it's not just so they can inundate you with coupons. We've learned that same data can be used against you by insurance companies.
4.) Electric Smart Meters:
Electric Smart Meters get mixed reviews depending on who you talk to. The Electronic Frontier Foundation warns utility companies could potentially learn when you go on vacation or even when you run the dishwasher or take a bath. In 2010 the U.S. Department of Energy called for restrictions on sharing that information with third parties. And MLGW says there have been no reports of hacking meters in their pilot program.
5.) Televisions:
Finally there may come a day when your TV can actually watch you. Verizon applied for a patent to do just that. So advertisers could track your behavior, and then target their ads. The patent was rejected, but U.S. legislators filed legislation in June to allow consumers to block that kind of technology in the future.
Bottom line is as technology advances, so do risks to your privacy. That's why consumer watch groups are lobbying for more laws.
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This is a follow-up to the previous discussion:
Dialogue With an Atheist About Miracles and the Influence of First Premises on One's Methodology and Openness to Evidences and Proofs (vs. "DagoodS")
DagoodS' words will be in blue.
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I thought it would be interesting to try and get some of DagoodS' thoughts about the Bible, in order to establish more about his hostile presuppositions.
And so I ran across on his blog, a piece entitled, "This Leopard Can't change its Spots" (6-27-08).How did he view the Bible as a Christian? Well, there were already many indications and danger signs that he was misinterpreting it even then: so many that I could have easily predicted that he had a good chance of forsaking his faith and going atheist if I had met him ten years ago. He talks about what Christians do, as he observes them now:
"They don't want to discuss the creation, content or context of the Bible. They want to discuss, 'I feel.' They want to discuss their perception of God."
Then he acknowledges that he (the "leopard") used to do exactly the same:
"I realize, in retrospect, this is exactly what I did as a Christian. Christians wanted Bible study to be, 'Let's read a verse and tell each other what we feel about it.'"
So now we have one of the hundreds of cases in which a former Christian, who wasn't adequately informed of his faith when he still had it, projecting his past shortcomings onto most Christians that he meets. He rejected a straw man in the first place and now he fights straw men incessantly in order to justify his decision to abandon the straw man.
This is what we learn in examining deconversion stories. It's always the same. I've yet to find one that is any different (perhaps I will one day if I keep looking hard enough).
DagoodS proceeds to give examples of what he didn't believe the Bible taught, even as a Christian. He didn't think it taught equality of the sexes. And sure enough, he didn't hold (as a Christian) that the condemnation of abortion was taught (directly or indirectly) in the Bible:
"I was squeamish on the topic of abortion. Oh, there are plenty of arguments against abortion without needing to go to the Bible, but when people say, 'God is against abortion' I became very, very silent. All the verses regarding God recognizing children in the womb are glorifying his knowledge. There is no specific verse saying 'deliberate abortion is wrong.' Inferences and exegetical manhandling—yes. Specifics; no. Without those specifics, I thought it was better to be quiet than find out some day, in heaven, I was wrong."
Wow. Isn't it strange?! I look at the very same Bible and find about 100 passages (take out the deuterocanonical ones if you must) having to do with abortion in many of its aspects:
The Bible's Teaching on AbortionBut DagoodS couldn't "see" all those! I guess he didn't know his Bible very well, and since he is a leopard who can't change his spots (his own description, not mine), he continues to not know it very well today. So he fights against it, to justify his decision to stop believing that it is inspired and infallible.
There is no question whatsoever that the Bible condemns abortion: in many different ways. It defines the preborn child as indeed human and a person, and it forbids murder of persons. Case closed. End of story. That is really all that is required: A+B. Elementary logic. Moreover, when it condemns, e.g., child sacrifice, logically, the preborn are included, since they are considered children as well. It has passages like:
2 Kings 15:16 At that time Men'ahem sacked Tappuah and all who were in it and its territory from Tirzah on; because they did not open it to him, therefore he sacked it, and he ripped up all the women in it who were with child.
It's wrong to do such things; therefore, abortion (as an act that is exactly the same in essence: "ripping up" a woman with child) is also wrong. The goal is to murder the child, which is an especially evil and despicable act.
But is this an exercise in logic that was too difficult for DagoodS as a Christian and now? It's not difficult to grasp these simple logical deductions.
Yet he says, "What I don't see are Christians who actually know their Bible."
To use another well-known proverb (like the leopard and its spots): talk about the pot calling the kettle black . . .What method do you propose I could utilize to objectively determine why I deconverted?
To dialogue with Christians who understand the Bible and Christianity far more than you did before and do now.
Was it for intellectual reasons? Was it because I was angry at God? Was it for moral reasons? Was it because I thought it would be cool? Was it to get the atheist discount card?
I concentrate on the first one. It is quite obvious to me that you greatly lacked skills in biblical hermeneutics and exegesis, simply from looking at the conclusions you came to. You could look at the Bible and not see that it condemned abortion. You didn't get it that Christianity teaches the equality of men and women.
So the problems were in place long ago, and they were primarily what caused you to deconvert, in my opinion, because you believed in a caricature of Christianity and so rejected the same caricature when you found it inadequate. As Hosea 4:6 states (RSV): "My people are destroyed for lack of knowledge;. . ."
Understand, I am NOT looking for the reasons you think I deconverted.
Sorry; already gave them . . . as usual, the atheist despises any analysis of his deconversion, because that is what he hangs his hat on. It's scary to realize how flimsy the rationales are. They don't wanna go there . . .
(Because you have the same rationalization problem as a human as I do. And you have significant lack of data, by not knowing me either as a Christian or now.)
I know this little tidbit of information that you offered: your atrocious exegesis of the Bible and inability to decipher its contents in areas like abortion. You yourself said such things caused you to start questioning biblical inspiration. It's not even speculation on my part to note what you said about yourself. And so that is an objective way to analyze your defection: you say there is nothing about abortion; I say there are about 100 passages. You can try to explain all those away if you wish. I won't hold my breath, given the way you are systematically ignoring dozens of questions and arguments in this combox thread.
I am looking for a method to apply where I can step back, and as objectively as possible determine what motivated me to deconvert.
I just gave you one. I'm sure you're absolutely delighted that I have done so, right?
I will tell you I came up with a method and employed it. But I don't want to tell you what it is, yet, to prevent tainting your own suggestion.
I'm not interested in games and ring-around-the-rosey, but serious analysis and comparison of the plausibility of opposing positions. The abortion-in-the-Bible discussion offers us one of many ways to do so.
Only internet apologists are unsatisfied I was ever a Christian.
I have not claimed that and I am an Internet apologist if there ever was one. Calvinism requires that (since it denies that a true Christian can ever fall away from Christianity), and I am not a Calvinist. I wouldn't have said that as a Protestant, either, because I was an Arminian, and they believe that Christians can fall away and commit apostasy. Therefore, I call you a "former Christian." Pretty hard to do that if I thought you never were one, ain't it? It's possible, of course, that you never were one, but I don't assert that. I accept your report at face value.
I have said that I think your knowledge of important issues within your Christianity was woefully deficient. In other words, you seem to have had only a poor acquaintance with the apologetics that may have kept you a Christian. It's why I do what I do. So many times people reject Christianity because they falsely believe that it is something that it is not. My job is to show that it is 1) a great thing; 2) a true thing; and 3) that the reasons in favor of it are far better than those against it.
This causes the Christian to have confidence and to be spared from various counter-influences. And of course within the Christian paradigm I argue that Catholicism is the fullest and most true expression of Christianity.
Generally when dealing with atheists, though, I defend general Christianity and don't get into Catholic issues unless I am asked something specific about that.
To dialogue with Christians who understand the Bible and Christianity far more than you did before and do now.
Aye…and there's the rub. I did. I spoke with Pastors and Deacons and Professors and learned men. I spoke with friends I respected, men I revered, and strangers recommended. I spoke in person, through e-mail and on-line. And they were unable to provide satisfactory answers.
Then why do you still seek them out? You still think someone out there can convince you to return to Christianity? Are you trying to do the Karl Popper falsification thing? You will always find the answers satisfactory, no matter how good they are. That is the whole point! You do, I believe, because of the reasons I have outlined, not because the answers were always insufficient in and of themselves, or untrue.
Apparently what you are claiming is I spoke to the wrong ones.
I have no idea about these people unless I see something concrete. What I have seen myself shows me that you were abysmally ignorant of sensible, proper biblical interpretation, at least in those particular areas. But you refuse to pursue that line of critique, to try to prove me wrong. I'd be happy to go over my hundred or so proofs of the biblical prohibition of abortion (the example I have highlighted), that you claim are actually not there, and therefore that Scripture is wildly eisegeted and mishandled by those with a pro-life agenda that they then wrongly project onto the Bible.
Fair enough. What method do I use to determine who the "correct" Christians who "understand Christianity far better" are, in order for me to dialogue with them?
The same one that enabled you to figure out who the best defenders of the Resurrection are. You managed to find those. So you can figure out who the best defenders of Scripture are. But you have to truly interact with them (assuming they have the time and/or interest to do it with you). You can't skirt and evade the issues and refuse to answer direct questions and ignore direct critiques, as you have been mostly doing with me. People don't have the patience for that. It has to be a real dialogue.
Considering one Christian group tells me "that particular Christian group" is wrong, yet "that particular Christian group" tells me the first Christian Group is wrong, and they ALL agree the Mormon Christian group is wrong. The Calvinists tell me the non-Calvinist group is wrong; the Protestants tell me the Catholic group is wrong. The Seventh-day Adventists, Lutherans, Presbyterians, Charismatics…all bickering and fighting as to who the "correct" group of Christians must be.
Yes, that is a real problem, and a major reason I am Catholic, but that is not your immediate issue. That comes later. Right now you need to even be convinced of matters that all these groups (apart from rank heretics like the Mormons who reject historic Christianity) hold in common: does God exist; Who Jesus was, etc. First things first.
But in passing, note that Catholics do not claim to be the sole true or correct group. We claim to be the fullness of Christianity, but we don't deny for a second that other Christians possess large amounts of Christian truth as well. We're not like the anti-Catholic Protestants who ridiculously deny that we are Christians at all.
All I am looking for is a method. What method do I use to determine whom I should be dialoguing with?
At a bare minimum, If they know their faith well and can offer up halfway decent defenses of it and substantive critiques of your view. If you think I fill these criteria, dialogue with me. If you don't, find someone else.
And of some humor to me (demonstrating you don't know me very well)
Never said I did, so that is neither here nor there. But I can tell if you don't know something, when I read statements on your blog that prove that.
the very people I was dialoguing with would agree with your position the Bible teaches men and women are equal. Separate…but equal. The very men I was talking with would whole-heartedly agree the Bible addresses numerous verses toward abortion. Not sure you understand Christianity I came from if you think otherwise.
Of course they did. So what? This is a problem in your thinking; not necessarily theirs.
You won't even tell me what brand of Christian you were, Why not? Maybe you're like the hostile guy I met at Jon's meetings. Turns out he was a former Jehovah's Witness. So he was never a Christian at all.
I was asking you why you think anti-abortion is not taught in the Bible. I think that is a ridiculous position to take. It couldn't be any more untrue than it is. Keep ignoring the challenge if you must. People reading this will see who had the better argument. They can read my linked paper with the biblical data and compare that to your ignorant bald statement to the contrary and see who knows what they are talking about when it comes to the Bible on that issue.
The problem came when I stopped being convinced by their claims. THAT is the question I am asking; THAT is the method I am looking for. Why did I stop believing their arguments?
Lots of reasons, I'm sure.
What method can I use to determine why I was no longer convinced by the arguments I had heard (and employed myself) for decades previous?
I have already dealt with that. Talk about concrete issues and deal with them one-by-one.
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Phil Stilwell, another former Christian, wrote:
When I was 7 years old and pleading with god every evening to make sure he had accepted my faith, I was assured by all the christians around me that I was indeed a child of god. After I was 8, I never doubted my salvation…until I actually began to doubt the coherency of the god-myth. When, as an adult, I went door-to-door witnessing and leading people to the lord on my own apart from any church program prompting me to, I was lauded as a fine example of a christian. Now I find christians claiming I was never at any time a real christian. I guess I'm too far removed from that cute 7 year old I once was. It's rather ridiculous to watch christians desperately attempting to rewrite the histories of apostates, and their own assurances they gave those apostates when they were young. Google "reasons for my deconversion" to learn more about my apostasy.
I don't have to do any of this, Phil. It is perfectly possible, biblically, that you were a Christian and later fell away. Lots of passages. So I say "former Christian" and speak of apostasy; that means falling away from something actually possessed in the past. "Deconversion," likewise, refers to converting to one belief away from another. I take the report at face value. I lose nothing in doing that, anyway (from a purely tactical perspective). If you were not in fact, my argument doesn't suffer from assuming that you were.
This particular argument is with Calvinists. Let them defend their own beliefs. I just wrote a book where I devoted more than a hundred pages refuting TULIP from the Bible. TULIP is a non-biblical tradition of men.
So if someone wants to deny that you or DagoodS or any number of atheists were ever Christians, they should at least be careful to be more precise in their terminology.
My critiques of deconversions don't have to distort or deny what anyone was before at all. I ain't fightin' straw men, but [self-reports about] "former men." Thus, I am now analyzing what DagoodS says about his past Christian self, and I think I am showing that, though he was a Christian, he was an abysmally ignorant one when it came to understanding the Bible (abortion being our present test case).
So I am taking him at his word and critiquing what he himself tells me he thought as a Christian, and I'm showing that the seeds of his apostasy were already quite apparent. Like I said, if I had known him then, I could have easily posited a real possibility of his falling away, because he wasn't grounded firmly enough. He didn't know his apologetics; nor did he know how to properly exegete the Bible. This is what I invariably discover when analyzing deconversion accounts. If it is not the case with you, it'll be the first time, and I'll congratulate you for being a pioneer and will buy you a cigar and bottle of wine (being the wine-bibbing Catholic that I am).
Wrong thoughts, bad logic, lack of acqaintance with relevant facts: all of these can eventually cause a lack of faith, or erode a real, true faith, because the mind is always involved in the overall equation. This is why truth and true doctrine (and apologetics) are supremely important. The soul or the heart cannot rejoice and abide by what the mind rejects as false.


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---- — GLOUCESTER — A Methuen woman who had worked in Gloucester as a home health aide was arrested yesterday and charged with stealing roughly $4,200 over the past year from an elderly local couple who had employed her as a full-time caregiver.
The woman, Glendalis Rodriguez, 25, of 8 Kernwood Ave., Methuen, was arraigned in Gloucester District Court Tuesday afternoon. She faces charges of identity fraud, larceny by false pretense, larceny from a person over the age of 60, two counts of fraudulent use of a credit card, and two counts of larceny over $250.
According to the arrest report, Rodriguez took out a credit card under the name of the woman in her care, and stole the woman's Exxon Mobil gas card. Police arrested her on a warrant Tuesday after she had failed to appear in Gloucester District Court on the charges on Monday.
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The arrest follows a two-month investigation by Gloucester Detective Thomas Quinn.
According to his report, the victims' daughter filed a report with police saying that Rodriguez worked as a caretaker for her elderly parents, though she had been dismissed from providing care for them in June.
After Rodriguez left, the woman told police, she found that Rodriguez had opened an account with Capital One in her mother's name in addition to taking the other's gas card. She left a $971 balance on the gas card and a $3,259 balance on the credit card, according to the police report.
On Sept. 16, the alleged victims' daughter came back and talked with Quinn. She said her parents, both in their 80s, contracted with Bright Star, a national home-health care company with local offices in Danvers, Hamilton, Milton and Newburyport, to provide round-the-clock care at their home on Wingaersheek Road. Her father, the woman said, had a terminal illness and her mother suffered from dementia.
Bright Star sent Rodriguez to the home in September 2011.
As part of her job, the couple gave Rodriguez the use of a gas card and the family car. The card, Quinn's report states, was only to be used while providing care for the couple. The car was to be used while she was working, then left at the home. Both her mother and father had gas cards. The father's gas card was the one she was allowed to use, but Quinn's report notes that Rodriguez also allegedly took the mother's gas card and began charging to it.
In November, 2011, the victims' daughter said she paid the bill for the gas account. But from November to May of 2012, she didn't receive a bill for the card. She paid $100 in January assuming the bills were misplaced, but when she called Exxon Mobil in the following months, she was told that a $1,200 balance was left on the account, with several of the charges made in North Andover, Methuen, and Tewksbury.
In July, a month after the victims' daughter fired Rodriguez, she found the Capital One balance in a bill addressed to her mother. The card, she said, was opened by Rodriguez when she worked for the family. Quinn found that Rodriguez applied for the card using the mother's personal information. Then, his report states, she had herself added on as an authorized user.
Quinn called Rodriguez on the number that the woman gave him, and was passed on to Rodriguez, according to the report. When he reached her, she said the gas card was taken care of, but he told her there were other unresolved issues they needed to talk about.
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on Feb 4, 2009 at 1:05 am
There is a quote in the article from an official with the Burbank School District. Is this the fund that provides retirement pay to our Pleasanton teachers? This article is several months old but should we be expecting the other shoe to drop on the matter as well? Has anyone seen info from PUSD abut this?
This puts me back to my position that there are no guarantees in life (unless you are a union member.) There is no one for me to ask to shore up my 401k losses. My family and I will have to bear the burden and the consequences ourselves because that is our retirement.
on Feb 4, 2009 at 5:15 pm
The teachers have a different fund.
I don't know the name but i'm sure it's value has gone way down.
According to the latest budget, 9% of payroll at PUSD goes to their pension.
Will the teachers be asked to contribute more or will we be on the hook.
Frankly, I don't know.
on Feb 4, 2009 at 5:50 pm
Traditionally all government employee pension funds have been fully guaranteed by the employer (the State of California in this case). If invested funds reduce in value, the agency (and the tax payer) is still on the hook for the full amount. Of course it works the other way too, but not this year!
It's often been said that the taxpayer pays for every government service at least twice through administration fees and actual service costs. Of course, if you pass a tax on yourself to fund something that is traditionally covered by another tax you pay for it at least twice again.


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Poughkeepsie Band Takes Battle In New York Ska Gig
Every town and city produces occassional outstanding musicians and other artists, and it was my pleasure to witness the newest Ska band to come out of Poughkeepsie in the Mid Hudson Valley. Silvertongue, a five-member all-girl band played in the Battle of the Bands at The Delicate Linen on 5th and Main on the 2nd of September and shocked the crowd with their performance. It wasn't just the exuberance of their performance that was surprising however, but the strange mix of musical styles that makes the band what it is. Although headlined as a Ska band only the bass player, Shivaun "Silvertongue" Tong, is truly a Ska musician. The drummer, Marsha "Thrash" Myers, and lead guitar, Carly "The Ax" Slayer, show their punk origins in the power and chaos they bring to the stage. Vicky "Hudson" Hartmann croons with a seductive country melody and Denise "Double-D" Dunmore rounds off the quintet with a blues sax. Such diverse musicians should not be able to work together, yet somehow they produce a sound that is as enticing as it is unique.
"Silvertongue" Tong, who is also the bands lyricist, describes their music as "Urban Sound" stating "Good music's always been about creativity and innovation sending an important and powerful message."
The songs they played drip with thought-provoking lyrics. From "Hudson Soup" an environmental conservation song about the pollution of the Hudson River to the weight-conscious "Proud (Double-D All Over)" they touch on topics important to the world and meaningful to most of us. That said, the band also had its playful songs such as "The Woman With The Silver Tongue" - a play on the James Bond movie theme "The Man With The Golden Gun". The band seems able to incorporate the range from political activism to zany humor and passionate love ballads.
Truly this is one of the most unique and varied bands I have had the pleasure to see in a long time. Yet from what I saw backstage there are already tensions between band members. The search for a manager took a toll on the girls and they are still looking to start touring. They could be a new power on the music scene, but only if they can continue to weave their different styles as well as they did in the Battle of the Bands. Creative differences will either be the success or the destruction of this quintet.
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Hey Hawk, I might sound like a whiner but given you were the first person to suggest we do these RPs where's yours?
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From a while back (March to be exact).
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I love it! The noise group I am in did a little tour a few year ago, and we played at a place near Pough (spelling), for real! BTW, it's
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Glad you both like it. Hawke, I think your RP puts us all to shame! Gilli (Sorry, I forget if it's Josh or Todd - senility is a terrible thing in one this young), it's spelled Poughkeepsie. As one of my old professors said "It's name is half Native American, half Dutch, and half made up!"
Anyhoo, I was gonna carry on doing New York Items reports and interviews on the girls' careers but something seems to be amiss with this particular game. Although I've won battles, got a 24 manager who's set me up in gigs up to 500 miles outside NYC so I get known, for some reason when I ask him to book me a tour he books a 2 gig tour (even when I gave him a month-and-a-half tour span) and when I ask him to seek out recording contracts he just goes silent. I'm now into March 2001 and he's been like this for 5 months. I'll give him another couple of months (game time) to sort his act out before I reroll.
Hmm: Just a quick update on the touring problem. I now have a multi-date tour. I changed the starting city from Poughkeepsie to New York and so the game changed who I was touring with. I guess the first band wasn't touring themselves... but as they're not the only band I had a relationship with in Poughkeepsie it's a shame the game couldn't set me up to tour with someone else. Given you cannot select who to tour with, Gilli, it might be something to consider for SOGRS 2 or an update.
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