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You have to be especially careful with the words "overrated" or "underrated." Some people don't like the terms, thinking that they're condescending or snide, elevating your own opinions over those of the majority. And arguably they have a strong point, but the words do serve a purpose—how else is a writer meant to sum up their feelings when they're swimming against the tide? And sometimes, that tide is among your own colleagues. See, we're not a hive mind at The Playlist, though we might sometimes give that impression. Like any group of colleagues, we disagree from time to time. Scratch that, we disagree quite a lot, and it's rare for a film to hit theaters without at least one member of staff bucking the consensus, when a consensus can even be reached.
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Kevin Jagernauth
Underrated: "Blue Caprice"
Taking on the Beltway Sniper, the man who terrorized the Washington, D.C., Maryland, and Virginia area for nearly a month a decade ago, paralyzing anyone along Interstate 95 with fear, there is a sensationalist route a movie version of these events could take. But thankfully, director Alexandre Moors never goes there. Instead, he takes the script by R.F.I. Porto and weaves a nervy drama about the psychology that drove divorced, single father John (Isaiah Washington) to team up with a wayward youth named Lee (Tequan Richmond), forming with him a new sort of family unit, one that expresses its fidelity in only the most deadly of ways. Washington in particular is a revelation, an intimidating presence who finds dimension in an unlikeable character that, while not quite making him sympathetic, reveals a man who has internalized deep emotional pain and finds a twisted outlet with which to react to a life that has not gone according to plan. Meanwhile, Richmond finds the rights notes for a young kid who needs a male authority figure, and while he realizes their bond is dangerous and unhealthy, he's ill-equipped to handle it, and not confident enough to be on his own. Together as the film's center, they make a fascinating and fearsome pair in a movie that slow burns to the moment when the trigger is pulled on complete strangers, with the horrifying randomness of their actions allowed to register with a lingering hauntedness. "Blue Caprice" is a tight, economical and impressively accomplished film (particularly for a first feature) that finds depths even within its modest means, boosted with an evocative score by Arcade Fire member Sarah Neufeld and her husband (an accomplished saxophonist in his own right) Colin Stetson. Hitting Sundance and somewhat fading in the months after until its fall release, this is a picture that deserves a second glance and a bit more recognition for the work in front of and behind the camera.
Overrated: "Spring Breakers"
Here's a shocking revelation: youth culture focused exclusively on sex, drugs, celebrity and partying can be pretty empty, soulless and even dangerous. While it's easy to see why excitement built for Harmony Korine's "Spring Breakers"—hot young starlets prancing around in bikinis, waving guns and gyrating to dubstep sells itself—I'm positively baffled that the film has endured in any kind of conversation, particularly with the year winding down. While "Spring Breakers" was more audacious and daring than Sofia Coppola's similarly themed "The Bling Ring," it offered just as little substance. While there is a certain enjoyable lasciviousness to what is basically Korine's 21st century take on a 1950s PSA about youth gone wild, this is the director at his most tame and mainstream (granted, a relative statement given the pornographic imagery the filmmaker suggests but doesn't quite show in the film's cleverer moments). As a peeling away of the facade of American culture, Korine has been here before in much better, more transgressive form: "Trash Humpers." That outrageously wrong, flat-out hilarious movie took the notion of the suburbs as a haven of normality and turned it perversely upside down, never once pandering to an audience. "Spring Breakers" finds Korine in a more conciliatory mood, that while still offering just enough of his brand of surrealism to put an author's mark on the work, covers it in a sheen of neon, sweat and skin to make it go down easy, but also forgettably.
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Underrated: "In a World…"
"I think you'll like this," my gentleman said as he played the trailer for me for "In a World…" He's far better than the Netflix algorithm; this movie about movies with a female director and a feminist message was admittedly right up my alley. Lake Bell's debut feature is far better than its apparent pedigree. The actress's own filmography isn't exactly impressive, with credits like "What Happens in Vegas," "Over Her Dead Body" and "No Strings Attached" peppering her resume. But despite those choices (maybe she's learned what not to do), she's written, directed, and starred in a remarkably funny and different film. In the self-obsessed business of Hollywood, films about films are as prevalent as baby-voiced blondes (often with as much variety). But "In a World…" takes a different approach, circling from the outside and giving an insider look at the little-seen world of voiceover artists. With that in mind, the movie manages to be about more than just Carol's career as she tries to ascend the male-dominated ranks of voice actors. She's a friend, a sister and the oblivious object of affection for an adorable oddball (Demetri Martin). For her first feature as both writer and director, Bell is incredibly assured, with the film boasting a witty script with fully realized characters. She also wins points for not making a film that revolves around romance and for rocking a pair of overalls without shame.
Overrated: "Room 237"
By that same token, I should love the movie-about-movies doc "Room 237." If anyone's work can be dissected ad nauseum, it's that of notoriously detail-oriented Stanley Kubrick. "Room 237" dives deeply into the essential filmmaker's 1980 film "The Shining," featuring interviews with five overly analytical superfans. They share theories about the film's real meanings, including the Holocaust, the genocide of native Americans and faking the moon landing. They go frame by frame, making giant leaps of logic that seem more suited to subway ranters than a college professor, an award-winning journalist, and a playwright. It's ostensibly a film about being obsessed with movies, but it quickly goes from a cinephilic exploration to a movie reminiscent of an eye-rolling hour in class with a bunch of film students with no professor to direct the conversation. I should've been watching Rodney Ascher's documentary at rapt attention, awed by exactly how far people go in their appreciation for film, but I just kept checking my watch and waiting for a dismissal.
TJ | June 5, 2014 6:44 AM
I agree with most of these except pacific rim and gangster squad both really were disappointing wastes of 12$ in my opinion, and Wolf of Wall Street, American Hustle, and Dallas buyers Club were wayyyyyyyy better than 12 years a slave;)
Jim | May 25, 2014 4:16 AM
PACIFIC RIM WAS BAD. Your choice in movies are not that great after all.
Bryan Foreman | May 8, 2014 8:00 PM
You lost me at Pacific Rim. I wish I had just seen The Avengers for the third time.
Harry | January 21, 2014 2:00 AM
'Blue' is easily top 4 films of 2013. Spectacular Now and Spring Breakers overrated? Pacific Rim underrated?
Do us all a favor and don't attempt to write this stupid propaganda until you understand film
Joe H. | January 18, 2014 1:35 AM
Hold on, hold on. Maybe I need to get my eyes checked. Only God Forgives OVERRATED?? Since when? Good lord, the majority of people disliked that movie, so how the hell is is overrated?
I loved it, but that's not the point. Most people didn't. You can hate on that movie all you want, it's your opinion, but to label it as overrated is just plain incorrect.
Joe H. | January 18, 2014 1:32 AM
THANK YOU!! I thought I was the only one who thought 12 Years a Slave was overrated.
Brandon | January 12, 2014 11:22 AM
This post is a fantastic reminder of why I have vowed to never use the words over/underrated. They come as majorly pretentious and dismissive of one's opinion of a film this just breeds a hostile environment to hold a conversation or debate, additionally it screams hey look at my opinion it's so much less mainstream than the other guys' opinion; that is something the Cinephile community doesn't need.
reggie e | January 12, 2014 5:07 AM
Haitian Pirates?
Nik G. | January 11, 2014 1:49 AM
I'm not part of the staff, but I contribute whenever I get the chance so I'd like to just throw my overrated and underrated ones out there. For whatever it's worth. (Like the intro suggests though, the terms need to be taken with a spoonful of salt - probably two of the most abused descriptors in movie conversations).
To The Wonder - Malick's latest movie got so much crap flung at it because of its abstract expressionism that people didn't even care about how stunning it is to look at. Cinematography aside, the film is less film and more essay or meditation on love, loss and faith which can understably drive so many people relying on plot and narrative away. But this is the kind of movie that reminds me of how poetic movies can be.
Overrated: (hard to choose one to be honest)
Gravity - both my picks share the same cinematographer and it looks like he's finally heading for that overdue Oscar with this one, so at least there's that. But, talk about a fantastic technical achievement that's hampered by a contrived plot and a protagonist that's so fabricated she might as well been part of the green screen. A technical milestone no doubt and Cuaron together with Lubezki should be applauded and awarded for their achievements but Gravity, together with Sandra Bullock whose mediocre performance might be a highlight in her career but take a look at that career for a second, is getting way too much attention and praise than it deserves. Watch it age like vinegar, not wine.
Lucille | January 9, 2014 7:14 AM
I found American Hustle overrated
PAPAJOHN | January 7, 2014 8:46 AM
News flash: nobody cares about your strange loathing for Papa Johns. It's a pizza place that people work at in a place called the real world. One many people enjoy. Though I have not seen Mitty yet, that you would let something like that ruin a movie for you while I assure you the vast majority of movie goers will not give a crap seems to be saying more about you than the film. You went on and on about this non issue at length. Almost as if you had nothing else to complain about but that. Would you have been happier if it were "Papa Steve's" and people still obviously knew what real world company was being referenced?
um | January 7, 2014 4:49 AM
I know you begin the article by commenting on the flaws of overrated and underrated in relation to film, but what did I just read? With two supposedly "underrated" films exceeding 90% on the tomatometer, and most "overrated" mentions proving to be critical non-events, receiving generally mixed responses all round, I really don't know what to make of this list.
Lucas | January 6, 2014 8:45 AM
I'm sorry, but saying that "Only God Forgives" is overrated it's just unacceptable.
Trey | January 5, 2014 1:05 PM
"Plush" by Catherine Hardwicke has been underrated. This movies stars Emily Browning and is really interesting by mixing the styles (music film, fame, erotic, thriller). It just got a limited release and it's a shame! I also think that people have been unfair with this movie: they criticized it without watching it because of the tagline "from the director of Twilight". But Catherin Hardwicke also made "Thirteen" and "Lords of Dogtown" which are very good films !
md | January 3, 2014 8:23 PM
Devon | January 2, 2014 12:49 AM
Unless you are familiar with Thai cinema, and Asian film in general, you cannot possibly grasp Only God Forgives. So unless you majored in Asian film in college, or have lived in Thailand, you should not be allowed to comment on the movie. Because you're just plain ignorant.
rodie | January 2, 2014 12:28 AM
Calling Only God Forgives overrated is absolutely ridiculous. A film needs to be highly praised critically or make a ton of money to qualify in that category, and OGF did neither. That said, the cinematography and the music in the film were A+ amazing, and you're wrong Kristin Scott Thomas is fantastic and frightening in the movie. If David Lynch had made Only God Forgives, critics would have called it a triumph. It's flawed, but definitely UNDER-rated.
Marlowe | January 1, 2014 9:40 PM
I thought "The Counselor" was way underrated. I know a lot of people hated it(critics and audiences) but I thought it was so nilhlistic and ballsy that it was really fascinating. I even liked the strange, Shakespearean dialogue by Cormac Mccarthy. No Country For Old Men kind of seems tame in comparison. A lot of it reminded me of 70's cinama like Sam Pekinpah films. Nice to see a rare film that didn't cater to the box office or awards. This film almost felt like one big "F You" to both of those things.
Jon | December 31, 2013 11:29 AM
The 'male gaze' criticism of Blue doesn't really make much sense to me. The sex scene didn't differ all that much from the rest of the film aesthetically, and its dramatic intentions were clear: a depiction of Adele's voraciousness, and to show that their relationship was predicated more on physical desire than any emotional connection.
And come on, you're really going to bring up the giggling? As if the reaction something elicits is always the fault of the thing itself. America is a prudish nation; we giggle at sex.
Some of these complaints seem more politically than artistically motivated.
stefan | December 30, 2013 7:49 PM
m8..u are completely idiot
MIke | December 29, 2013 12:22 PM
Horrible is such a subjective term, so I'll just say that of the movies that I've actually seen on this list I completely disagree with everything the writer said about it. The one that sticks out more than other is "To do List". I'd go further than saying that movie isn't underrated in the least, I'd say it hella overrated considering all the people I've heard call that movie underrated -- which is why I wasting my time giving that movie a chance.
And how is Gravity not on every single overrated list? That should be on most overrated movie of ALL TIME lists, not just 2013.
MARTIN | December 27, 2013 6:34 PM
Anyway, I think "Gravity", is absolutely OVERRRATED!!!! I can't stand the "universal acclaim" it holds, it's ridiculous how everyone is buying the idea of a movie like that. I was dying of boredom... If you quite the excellent special effects from it, what do you have? A movie (supposedly) about fighting "adversities". Boring. Next.
randall | December 26, 2013 5:16 PM
The Only God Forgives entry is just silly, that film was universally shit on and in no way is overrated.
If anything, I think the film is probably slightly underrated.
Michele | December 23, 2013 8:45 PM
Those who can do and create....those who can't, write over rated/under rated movie comments. GO MAKE A MOVIE and I'll you how over rated/under rated your efforts were.
Themba | December 23, 2013 6:26 PM
"At least "Django Unchained" had the guts to turn slavery into an abstract, blood-splattered comic book. " ?????????
You mean to say you applaud Tarintino for making slavery comfortable and entertaining for Caucasians and any other race who didn't endure slavery?
'Django Unchained' (2012) is a fictional account of slavery and was created by someone who stands on the outside looking in. '12 Years A Slave' (2013) is a historical memoir of an educated African American protagonist expressing his journey from the inside looking out.
Mark | December 23, 2013 3:19 PM
Drew Taylor's take on "12 Years a Slave" needs an ass whipping! Utter nonsense.
Grego | December 23, 2013 12:48 PM
I cannot share anyone's opinion that 12 Years a Slave is unemotional. It is an emotional powerhouse. Yes, it is dry, but that is what gives it its unsentimental edge that makes sure the movie earns its emotion in a way few pictures about slavery ever have. McQueen keeps us at a distance, frames all the horrors amidst a beautiful painting, so that we can fully comprehend how horrible that period was. The beauty makes the horrors all the more terrifying. I would say in this case the problem is definitely not with the film, but with the rare viewer who didn't let himself look past the surface.
Jack | December 23, 2013 4:45 AM
Under-rated: Agree with The To-do List, also The Bling Ring
Over-rated: Nebraska (June Squibb FTW though), Epic
Joseph | December 21, 2013 6:44 PM
This list is complete bullshit lol
yeeesssss | December 21, 2013 4:52 PM
12 years a slave is the only movie that might win Best Picture that will actually earn it. Refn really let everyone down with Only God Forgives. Spring Breakers was ok but Korine needs to know the difference between elaborating on your message than just repeat it over and over (also the acting was awful). American Hustle, Blue Jasmine, and Gravity were all fantastic.
and also never read anything by Drew Taylor or Kristen Lopez ever again. Go ahead, Indiewire, call me a sexist.
Affirmative Actionita | December 21, 2013 2:17 PM
Kristen Lopez is the perfect example of why employers shouldn't hire someone simply because they need to fill their "woman" or "latino" quota.
Gangster Squad, underrated.
"Haitian pirates"
My God.
Goegre | December 21, 2013 1:12 PM
Underrated: Gloria
Overrated: American Hustle and Blue is the Warmest Color
Paulina Garcia must be in Best Actress at Oscar because she is simply amazing.
Tim | December 21, 2013 12:37 PM
"Haitian pirates"
Oh wow. How do these people keep their jobs?
kyle | December 21, 2013 12:36 PM
Drew Taylor is a ridiculous paid-off hack.
Rebecca | December 20, 2013 7:45 PM
Drew Taylor: I hate your opinions the most. Like, who are you? Are you kidding me that a racist piece of shit film will be as lauded as the Fight Club is now because, um what? Because YOU liked it. I wish I never read them, it ruined this whole feature for me.
ET | December 20, 2013 2:09 PM
Lopez come on, Gangster Squad was a glossy piece of trash with terrible dialogue and acting.
Gerard Kennelly | December 20, 2013 2:31 AM
Only God Forgives doesnât have the soundtrack ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ?
the reviews all agreed on two things
1-this isn't as good as DRIVE
2-the soundtrack is amazing
Justin a | December 19, 2013 11:04 PM
Spring breakers is the most important film of our generation. It embodies perfectly the youth culture of our time period.
Jonlynx | December 19, 2013 9:40 PM
The pirates were Somali, not Haitian. Embarrasing mistake.
Hawaiian Punch | December 19, 2013 6:27 PM
Underrated: To The Wonder (It's Malick, which means you either love it or hate it. This one is no exception.)
Overrated: 12 Years A Slave (I think the fact that the black man is given his freedom as a present by the white man says it all. Thanks, Brad!)
notstudiofilm.com | December 19, 2013 8:34 AM
Pacific Rim being called underrated is interesting. I found it to be one of those movies where there is constant action but that was it. Didn't feel like a Guillermo del Toro film, which are better paced. Maybe it is because our expectations are so high for his films.
john | December 19, 2013 7:24 AM
haitian pirates? c'mon guys
Davide | December 19, 2013 4:09 AM
Underrated: The Bling Ring
Overrated: Gravity
Rocky | December 19, 2013 1:42 AM
the fact that the writers would use offensive terms like "take a tomahawk to it" and scalping it alive" is a good indication of why they enjoyed that racist piece of garbage "The Lone Ranger"
Skippy | December 18, 2013 3:34 PM
All I know is that I want to hear Diana Drumm's story about she got Errol Flynn's pants.
TC Kirkham | December 18, 2013 12:21 PM
Katie - FINALLY Someone else that sees through "Spectacular Now". I did like this film and gave it a good review, but it was very cliche in more than one place, and Miles Teller probably couldn't have passed for 17 when he actually WAS 17 - which was NINE years ago...had they tried another lead,someone that actually looked the right age, maybe it would have worked better for me, but as it was, I didn't believe his character was a day under 24 or 25...It definitely goes on my overrated list this year, while my most underrated films were the French farce Populaire and David Gordon Green's wonderfully witty return to indie form, Prince Avalanche.
Jeb | December 18, 2013 11:16 AM
I think Only God Forgives got a bum deal this year, but calling a film with a 37 aggregated rating overrated is a serious reach.
christiana | December 18, 2013 10:59 AM
Drew Taylor's comments about 12 Years a Slave are interesting. I have heard quite a few people be critical of this film and bring up Django Unchained as a counterpoint, but I find that problematic. When I left the theater after watching Django Unchained I wasn't even sure why slavery was involved at all, that's how uninterested Tarantino seemed with the it, other than as a means to a revenge plot. On the other hand, 12 Years a Slave left me devastated and I actually attribute that to the naturalism of McQueen's direction. It's almost as if McQueen wanted his direction to seem remote, almost as if to prove that we can try to keep these horrors at arms length, but even that cannot dull their emotional potency.
Washington | December 18, 2013 10:14 AM
Gangster Squad was straight garbage who are you kidding
Alan B | December 18, 2013 5:48 AM
I hate pieces like these. They presumptuously demand a special insight into the writers' psychology to the point. How else can you explain 'Walter Mitty' being 'overrated'? And what does 'overrated' even mean? Effectively it's just someone reading that other people like something that he or she doesn't and getting annoyed by that idea.
Alternatively, the idea of valuing something as underrated isn't so obnoxious ... in theory. However, you have some of these writers who need to declare that this film will be recognized years later blah, blah, blah. Who cares if someone recognizes a film later? Shouldn't a film be good if it stands up on its own? Can't you distinguish its quality (or lacktherof) from whether other people choose to agree with your or not?
As for the individual writing itself, it's a COMPLETE shock that only Oliver Lyttelton doesn't seem obnoxious and ignorant. He's the only writer who deployed CRITICAL THINKING in attempting to gauge where he was coming from and why he felt that the films in question meet, exceeded or failed his expectations of the material and genre. Wow, that must have been really hard to think before you write but he seems to be the only person capable of doing so. You have other people declare that a film "had praise heaped upon on it for no apparent reason" and that's it. That's their insight into the film and other people's opinions. I guess other people must be if they only do things for "no apparent reason". Or maybe they did have their reasons and you're just unwilling or unable to engage with them on any other level than "ha, ha, ha, they're STUPID". Or maybe the director must be an alcoholic "ha, ha, ha" (oh wait, that was another writer, but really who gives a shit?)
It's a waste of time and effort to merely engage with people who just don't want to engage with others and that everyone else doesn't get it because, umm, they have different opinions than I do. And you know what? Everyone has different opinions. Critics shouldn't be judged on what films they liked or didn't like (or their status), but how they came to form those opinions. That's the difference between a judgement and an insight. If you can't critically engage with a text, it doesn't matter what publication you write for or what degrees you have, because you will never have an insight and that's what matters.
Luisa | December 18, 2013 5:44 AM
Lone Ranger UNDERRATED? Spring Breakers OVERRATED? Gangster Squad UNDERRATED? 12 Years a Slave OVERRATED? This post doens't make any sense, sorry.
Joss | December 18, 2013 3:42 AM
Only God Forgives holds 39% on rotten tomatoes, 5.9 on imdb and only made 10 million at the box office. To say it is overrated is plain idiocy.


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4:04pm Friday 25th November 2011 in Takeaway reviews By Anna Mansell, Features writer
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BUSINESS leaders have called on Colchester Council to untie is purse strings and pay out for a new town manager.
Colchester Business Group chairman Ewan Dodds said action was vital to ensure Colchester's long term prosperity.
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Only 2 years ago the Council PAID a consultant to inform them what should be done to improve the Town Centre. At a meeting 18 months ago the Consultant presented his views. Number one was that the Town needed a Town Centre manager. Pedestrianising was not high on his list. When pressed for their views the Council refused 3 times to follow the manager route. They have however found over £500,000 to pay for this High Street restriction scheme! They have wasted the cost of the Consultant.
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We also need to remember that the town centre is the focus of many aspects of life in Colchester, not just retail, and that they should also be reflected.
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In the town there are over 600 individual businesses that need the Council to create the central focus that none of the individual businesses can achieve on their own.
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on Aug 10, 2007 at 10:31 pm
Why does the Weekly ask a residential real estate lawyer about the state of the venture capital market? Is it that hard to find someone who might actually know something about the venture capital market in Palo Alto?
Also, how many day laborers are buying in Palo Alto? Who cares about cash earners not being able to buy - they weren't buying here before.
Please stick to covering the city counsel and the school board and don't make a meager effort to put a local spin on a national news story - this story is weak on so many levels.
on Aug 11, 2007 at 12:54 pm
PA isn't immune to the funny money lending standards that have been floating around the last 5 years, so I think the article is pretty relevant. Most of the loans in the bay area were low doc, no doc, arm, jumbo types. These are the loans being affected by the credit issues surfacing today.
on Aug 11, 2007 at 2:13 pm
Palo Alto is not immune to what is going on globally. As San Jose tanks big time, it is not like people are going to pay 4 times SJ prices for the privilege of living in the one-and-only Palo Alto. Palo Alto prices will keep their historic relationship to prices in places around here. Remember it always starts at the periphery and moves to the center.
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This is precisely what's wrong with Inbound.orgSubmitted by tjproberts Jan 02 2013 in Inbound.org 73 Comments Discuss (38)
I tossed and turned over whether to post this, as I was unsure whether it could actually spark a discussion on the issue, or if it would be seen as a bit of a rant. In the end I just thought, smeg it - what's the worst that could happen.
As I'm sure you're aware, Ed Fry recently put together a bunch of discussion threads about the future of Inbound. I personally got a lot of value from these discussions and was encouraged that steps will be made to build the community here.
Catching up on the news today, I spotted a story with 6 (six!) juicy comments. "Debate!", I thought. Yet, what I found was this:
This is no means an attempt to single out Chris or Mark, as it's something I think is rife within many Inbound members. I also know that the tone is somewhat tongue-in-cheek. The issue at hand here is that submitting links to Inbound seems less to do with sparking discussion or sharing great stuff and more of a mad rush to get your hands on some sweet, sweet karma.
To add to this example, I'm sure many of you will be reading or will have read Rand's post today on Moz: http://www.seomoz.org/blog/10-predictions-for-inbound-marketing-in-2013. Well, within a minute (maybe 2 at max), the link had been submitted twice. Now, you only need to glance at the post to see that there's no way it could be digested in that time.
I accept that some posts can be taken on good faith, but a lot of the time I feel that people are just posting to get their karma points up and appear as an "authority figure" on the right hand side. It's becoming more like reddit each day (and not in a good way. Think more /r/circlejerk kind of way.)
My questions are:
Do you feel that this is a problem at Inbound.org?
Do you feel that there is enough discussion going on?
Is there anything we can do try and prevent the karma rush and get some value out of these posts? (Not proposing doing away with the karma system...or am I)
Paul Gailey Alburquerque @paulgailey
Tom, I think you hit a big nail on the head. I had a peek here yesterday and noted 6 out of 10 of the top 10 hot were (yawn) SEO posts, and then this morning, flagged an obvious 6 or 7 spammy submissions in a couple of seconds that were easy hours old.No the debate doesn't flow so much because the notification system is (yet) to be active. (they are working on it). I had RSS hacks to be alerted of debate but as RSS has been deprecated here (sniff, sniff) that's not possible. You want some karma for a well placed gripe? You have mine.
Tad Chef @onreact_com
Hey Tom, this problem is an ages old problem. Digg had the exact same problem since 2006 or so. The first wave of social news sites used the front page metaphor from print which does not work on the Web properly. Inbound is a late Digg-clone and thus makes the same mistakes.
Second wave social sites have favored the stream which is native to the Web, especially the personalized stream. I'd like to see a personalized stream on Inbound with the submissions, comments and votes just be the people whom I trust. As long as there is a frontpage and who submits first gets the credit the issues will persist.
I understand though that's it's difficult to set up a Twitter-like site with a stream while an old school Digg-like community can work without much effort these days.
Moosa Hemani @mmhemani Mod
Tom I am afraid that less people will answer it because they want to prove you that it's less about Karma and more about the community discussion :)
The point that you want to make from the first image is that it's more about a karma war and less about the discussion is something i am not comfortable with... I guess overall there are more threats that contain real and thoughtful discussion and less that contain communication (i don't think it's bad) but i really like the question that is it enough discussion?
I think it's a growing platform and rate of growth is little fast then normal so may be the rate of discussion is low at the moment and this is the area where they should put there more work but saying that its more about karma and less about REAL discussion... i don't think it's a valid point.
Sean @s_rvll
Haha, spot on. It's been the case for quite a while.
Mike Essex @Koozai_Mike
I've spoken about this a little before but essentially there will always be people who rush to be the first to submit something to get karma. However it's not really something that's "wrong with Inbound" as you'll see the same in any community.
Obviously it's a shame to see the same sites always on the Home page but at the same time they're often the people who worked their butts off to share Inbound and promote it when it started so at the same time without them the site wouldn't have been as successful.
The other issue - not many comments on posts - is a tricky one. When I write content I'd always prefer to see replies on the site I wrote it for. If people put it on another site (such as Inbound) and discuss it there then it's hard to always see the debate and I think that's a shame for original authors. Personally I'd always rather someone comments on the site I write for rather than Inbound and I assume I'm not alone in that thought. Likewise if I read a post and want to discuss it 9 times out of 10 I'll do it on the site itself as that's likely to have the most visibility.
However I do think Inbound has great power to spark debates (such as this one) and that's where I'd rather see / leave comments.
So two things
1) if you want to see other sites hit the hot section then we need more people to view the Incoming tab and vote up
2) If you want to see more comments then start more debates that people are passionate about
Max Minzer @MaxMinzer
Totally agree, Mike!
It's impossible - for huge majority of posts, even posts that are awesome and memorable but not popular because of favoritism problem in SEO community (another big topic) - to have comments and meaningful discussions everywhere - on a post (level 1), social media (level 2) and other news sites and content curation platforms(level 3), like Inbound. I understand that Rand, Dharmesh, Ed and many of us would love to see discussions here but one must prioritize. Too many places... We all understand that blog & social media come first.
However, here's a habit I noticed and borrowed from Jonathon Colman here and that's something I rarely tried doing in the past year and will try to do on most of my submissions this year - start the conversation by posting the furst comment for your submission. Just like what you do on social media if you care about the quality of your content curation - add your thoughts, add another perspective, add value or a highlight.
Jonathon Colman @jcolman
Thanks for the shout-out Max. I got the idea from the old-skool Digg.com where you had to post a comment with every submission. :)
Yes, the lack of participation in Incoming is far more of a concern to me than lack of commenting. Every day I see a lot of very high quality posts never get more than my second vote on them. With quite a few of them I know that if other members were spending time in Incoming, those posts are good enough they'd get more votes. But the percentage of posts that ever get even a second vote remains very, very low.
"Personally I'd always rather someone comments on the site I write for rather than Inbound and I assume I'm not alone in that thought. Likewise if I read a post and want to discuss it 9 times out of 10 I'll do it on the site itself as that's likely to have the most visibility."
Have to say, this has crossed my mind on numerous occasions and have been thinking myself what I'd more than likely do, and I think that it's probably the same as you.
Do you think its feasible for Inbound to become the preferred place to discuss posts like those (as it could, potentially, attract a larger audience) and, if so, what would it take to get there? (As I type this, I realise it's becoming a $64,000 question)
Well said. Where Inbound.org's comments especially work well are for sites/blogs that don't have their own comment section (for whatever reason - whether by choice or lack of implementation, etc.)
I like the rush to be the first to submit but not because I am trying to gain "Karma" but because I like being the one who has found & submitted an interesting article first. It is not easy to submit an article first here :)
What advantage is a Karma point accumulation? Does that influence who will be showcased in the "Influential Members" column? There is no way that I will appear in that column nor do I expect to be there for quite some time (or even possibly any time in the future) but by commenting and trying to find some interesting article to submit that relates to one of the categories it is my hope that perhaps I might be seen as someone who is trying to be part of the community although not a key player. I may never be a "key player/influential member" but I do not care as long as I learn something whenever I do come. This is the reason why everyone must strive for quality submissions. When the front page is cluttered with posts/jokes only understood by certain members for the sake of "I'll scratch your back if you scratch mine" then the entire community loses out.
Anthony D. Nelson @anthonydnelson
How about simply making Comment Karma worth more than Submission Karma. If your comment gets 4 upvotes, make that worth 12 points. Incentivize the conversation more than the submission. Submissions are still valuable and have great potential to get 20-100 karma. Adding increased comment karma helps to balance it out a bit for people who want to participate but don't want to race to submit a post they haven't had time to read yet.
When the Karma system is based on usage (submit a lot and comment a lot) it obviously has potential to be gamed a bit by anyone who desires to do so.
This is built it, but it's variable not fixed. Every action that influences hotness, karma and more is setup as a variable to tweak. We're changing it regularly to see how it effects the homepage quality.
One problem with a high-bias towards discussions is there aren't enough discussions to keep the homepage fresh. This isn't a symptom of lack of discussions, but lack of remarkable submissions.
I respectfully disagree with "lack of remarkable submissions." Sure, there's a lot of fluff in Incoming, but I see a good number of high quality posts get passed over with not even a second upvote every day. I think the real problem is a lack of members bothering to spend time on Incoming looking for good posts that otherwise wouldn't get surfaced.
Anthony D. Nelson @anthonydnelson
Hey Ed,
Are you talking about comments giving users more karma or comments for Front Page promotion?
I think this thread is aimed at reducing the karma for people who submit quick and leave and giving the users more incentive to foster great discussions.
Why are we trying to force comments and discussion on inbound?
The simple fact is there are better places to have discussion than inbound currently, on the blogs themselves, Google plus is another place I've had some joy also.
Shawn Cohen @shawnccpr
Time zone should also be a factor for karma: it's not fair that Jason Acidre is closing up shop for the day and Aleyda Solis is eating lunch when a lot of blogs auto post at 3am while most of us are asleep in North America.
Aleyda Solis @aleydaLOL Shawn! You know the solution: Spain is waiting for you my friend ;)
HAH! I have the same thought about SEOmoz's publication timing - most of the first commenters being European! ;-)
LOL Shawn
Hi Tom,
I was waiting for a post like yours and I need to come clean. Inbound has been an amazing place to find new sources of content that I may not have found otherwise and I enjoy sharing what I find with others. However, I did let my curiosity for data that's tied to the coveted "Influential User" spot get the best of me. I still only submit content from quality sites (from my feed), but it became more of a race to get here first and less about adding value, and for that I apologize to you and other inbounders, all of whom I respect A LOT.
I can only speak for myself: I am not offended nor do I feel victimized by your post. I think you pegged me (although I was pretty open about my ambitions) and I, in turn, will go back to sharing what I find for the sake of sharing.
Happy New Year!
I still don't see why you should apologize for this. Gamification is built in to Inbound.org. If they didn't want to make it partly have the fun of a race, why would they have included karma and the new Members board? Karma is meaningless anyway, so how much of a corrupting force can it really be. I think some of you are taking this too seriously. As I said in my first comment, as long as good content is being submitted, who gives a damn about the motive for submitting it. If trying to beat the next guy with that hot new post that just broke keeps people stimulated to submit here, then I think it's not a bad thing.
I think the issue is the possibility of submitting a post that you didn't read and assumed was good because the source is usually good. The same goes for retweeting an article by someone you trust without reading it first.
Well, I'd certainly agree that that is not good practice! I have no ideas, however, on how to prevent or even lessen the "ooh, this is by Rand so it must be good!" submission habits.
Hi Chris
Thank you very much for commenting here with a very frank assessment - more than what I was expecting and certainly than I deserve.
I do find it fascinating that you feel some of the 'speed' factor coming into play. I really appreciate your candidness. I certainly don't want to create guidelines to the way you're interacting, but it might be interesting to discuss why you felt the need to interact the way you were. That's more of a community problem surely (if it is indeed a problem at all) rather than any single individual's.
Also, I'm not sure whether you got enough data from it, but it might be interesting to see whether being that "influential user" had any sort of impact in traffic, social metrics or what have you. That would be interesting just for the sake of being interesting!
Speed was a factor only to be the first person to submit, which is probably the easiest way to gain karma. I didn't make it into the "influential members" box, so that data is unavailable. What I should have done is approach those who are influential to see if they could provide me with the data they see and turn it into a research post/discussion.
Dharmesh Shah @dharmesh Admin Author Speaker + 1 other
Confession: I too am guilty of desiring that sweet essence life itself: karma. I think it's a human thing to want this (and I've been occasionally accused of being human). :)
In seriousness though, I think the benefits of a karma tracking system are mostly good. There's upside to people wanting to have strong reputation within the community. It causes stronger participation because there's a reputational and emotional benefit. Of course, there's always a fine line, and if *all* people start thinking about is karma (which I don't think was the case here), then the quality of the community degrades and everyone loses.
We'll keep an eye on this and see if there are small things we can do to continue to encourage the right kind of behavior. Having an open discussion helps a lot, so am happy to see this thread. Rand and I are big believers in transparency (it is a core value of both of our organizations).
Dan @DanJMckee
The reason I don't contribute (but I do browse almost every day), is because it looks that Inbound.org is mostly catered to SEO professionals. I love SEO, but community mgmt, social media, customer service, and content are also really important to me. I don't care about karma, but the fact that my non SEO related contributions never get any upvotes leads to believe this community dosn't care about them.
And yet you'd be in a good position to share those types of posts, which benefit SEO (in one way or another). And I'm fact, other SEOs have recently commented that there should be more variety. You should contribute! :-)
Jen Marie Robustelli @jenastelli
I'd love to see more of those posts, even though I'm a fickle lurker here for the most part (usually just because I'm between projects and need a mental break). Since I work with SEOs, Inbound IS where my some of my community is so it'd be fitting to have some od that content here as well :) As Steve mentions, SEO is often benefitted by social media/community/content posts.
Or if you don't care to submit, at least spend more time in Incoming and vote up worthy posts from those non-SEO categories.
Chris Dyson @ChrisLDyson
Dan, you've been a member since the start but by your own admission you've lurked & rarely submitted. Maybe if you joined in more, started more discussions or even dropped the people who submitted something you liked a tweet saying thanks people would be more likely to see you around the place thereby increasing the likelihood I will click through on your submissions?
This is a community nd just the same as if you are on Reddit or Hacker News, if I don't know you I'm less likely to read your stuff.
Yes I've submitted non-SEO content & it doesn't do as well but it doesn't stop me.
Rand Fishkin @randfish Admin AMA Wizard
My $0.02 - any system like Inbound.org that has gamification built in is going to attract this sort of behavior. It's not bad, nor wrong, not unwanted. The job of the administrators and of the designers of the gamification is to align activities that promote visibility with ones that further the overall community in a positive way. I think Inbound does a pretty decent job of that. Where you're seeing karma-hungry submissions, I see a great way to make sure that any relevant content is likely to be on the homepage within minutes of it going up on the web (which makes Inbound.org a good place to visit).
If there's a strong sense that substantive comments should weigh more heavily, than perhaps we can make a system to do that. For example, if you leave a comment, and a user who's been part of Inbound.org more than 60 days or has more than 100 karma upvotes your comment, we give +2 points rather than +1. This makes leaving good comments an even faster way to earn karma :-)
Good gamification is simply about aligning the nature of humankind with what will be of benefit to the community.
Hi Rand, thanks very much for commenting (at 1am? Get some sleep man!)
Thank you (and everyone else who mentioned it) for giving me a POV of gamification that I hadn't really considered before posting this. In a way, it's quite obvious - if people are A) submitting these posts and then B) people are upvoting them, then it's clear that it appeals to the readership and isn't (for the large part) a kind of karma milking. Oversight on my part, for sure.
I do like the idea of rewarding those commenters with extra upvotes, for many of the same reasons - it could encourage further interaction for the karma factor to begin with, but once under way could fuel some tasty discussion.
Once again, I'm thrilled with how this discussion went and would like to thank everyone here for taking part!
Perhaps a Karma Kash system would work well. Cash in your Karma points towards purchase of some featured products or services.
Chris Butterworth @CButterworth_
Has anyone suggested a Karma Quality Ratio? Total Karma/Total Number of posts = Final displayed score.
This would effectively punish low quality submissions by reducing the overall score when up votes are low. It might also incentivise more quality discussion as this would become a more low risk way of gaining Karma.
On the other hand, incentivising discussion too much could lead to the kind of sycophantic conversation that can be found on other communities. Everyone likes a little controversy.
Dharmesh Shah @dharmesh Admin Author Speaker + 1 other
I don't think anyone has suggested this yet, but I think it's a pretty good idea. I know Hacker News tracks this, but not sure if they use it in their algorithm at all.
I think this has been mentioned a few times, it was quite obvious in the first few months people were submitting things on the off chance they would scrape the odd upvote. The current system rewords quantity over quality.
Tom, thanks for having the guts to post this :)
You're right. The rat race to post popular blogs first is kinda fun, but brushes aside the point of Inbound.org. We're not here to read "10 SEO tips". We're not even here to read the latest SEOmoz post (yes, they're often awesome... but you've seen it already!!).
We're here to see the new, the different and the remarkable.
The answer is not in the product or tweaking algorithms. We can't program your behaviour. We can guide it a little, but if the community keeps submitting SEO articles and upvoting them, there's not much we can really do about that. We could ban/hide SEOmoz.org submissions and a bunch of other "top sites" for a week and see what happens??? Oh, so tagfee...!
It's up to us, community to find, submit and upvote the new and different. As individuals we must stand up and each set the example.
PRO Tip: Incidentally, if you do that repeatedly, you blow "submit the latest post from a top SEO blog to get masses of karma" way out of the water. I get to say that as #3 in the community :)
I'm mighty proud of my submissions for this community - are you?
Jonathon Colman @jcolman
Is there any way to permalink to a comment? That, sir, was beautiful.
Permalinks to comments are coming :)
I'm proud of my submissions. I read each one prior to posting and if questioned on any article I could defend my reason(s) for posting :)
Sean @s_rvllHey Ed, I think this is another reason to add a 'must comment' element when adding a post. It means that the person adding it to inbound should at least have scanned the post before adding it? It will soon be obvious who has and who hasn't been reading properly :)
You're absolutely right that it is up to the community to decide what is submitted and upvoted and in my opinion it's working really well. Discussion isn't happening here because there are better places for it, and I'm fine with that.
With the greatest of respect I do find it a little insulting to be told what is/isn't worthy of submission and upvoting and that people need guidance on what is acceptable here.
Sorry if I've offended - that wasn't the intention. But the original remit for Inbound.org was to discover and discuss new content. It's not what's acceptable/what's not, but what would be cool and valuable.
I think it was unfair of you to single out one comment thread in which I was, yes, being very tongue-in-cheek. I'm fact, I think both Chris and I were satirizing the very "all for the karma" attitude you're ranting about. A check of my profile will show that I both participate in many substantive discussions here and submit valuable, quality links.
That aside, what you worry about is the risk you take when you gamify a forum. It has to be balanced with the knowledge that gasification keeps a site fun and is a proven way to increase participation.
At the end of the day, though, does the motivation of submitters really matter? Why do you care? I think the front page has actually been pretty junk free, which means that quality links are getting vote up. So who cares about the motives of submitters? If they're submitting lots of junk to try to run up karma, the lack of upvotes will soon discourage them. If they submitted a post before fully reading, but others do read it and upvote it because of its quality, the who cares how lazy the original submitter was?
Hi Mark, thanks for commenting.
Certainly don't wish to persecute you, or anyone, for this, as that's not my intent. The thread aimed to highlight the problem that I was seeing, rather than any problem with users.
The quality of submissions has never really concerned me with Inbound - the community and moderating does a great job at that and has done so since its birth (and rebirth). But frankly, I don't come to Inbound for the actual submissions - I get them already through RSS, emails, bookmarks etc. I come here in the hope of discussion.
Where I think Inbound can be very unique is a discussion hub where all of the SEO members can congregate and interact. I think that can be hugely valuable to everyone and can lead to some amazing insight and analysis. Submissions obviously spark it, but the chances are I've already seen/read the submission before it's here. I come here to see what people think of it and what to make of it.
At the moment, my concern is that people post the link and then it's all "see-ya, bye - where's my karma". There's not enough discussion - in my opinion. I may be the minority here and I certainly wouldn't want a place to pander to one looney if that's what I turn out to be. But the way I see it, Inbound could be an amazing discussion hub to learn from. At the moment, I think it's all too often just a link submission centre and I really don't see the appeal in hanging around for that.
These are just my concerns at this stage - it's early doors and so forth and I do sincerely apologise if I've offended you or if you feel you've been victimised. But I hope you can understand my concerns and would love to hear whether you think they're relevant and/or if you share them.
No offense taken, Tom. Just wanted to not leave an impression in anyone's mind that I don't respect this site or its community.
I'm hopeful with Paul Gailey that being able to get notifications of replies on discussion threads might be one step toward stimulating more conversations.
Corey Northcutt @corey_northcutt
Personally, I like the idea of Karma and don't necessarily see a problem with there being a system for it. I do think you've identified a real problem though. This seems to echo something that I see happening throughout the industry. Bigger than that, it seems to happen throughout all blogging, but is especially bad in the SEO space. And that issue is this:
If I blog on my own, fairly new agency blog, I might get 10-20 tweets, and similar sharing across all other major sites, and 1-2 on inbound.org. When I post inferior content on SEJ, SEOmoz, HubSpot, or ProBlogger, the same content sees thousands of shares, or 10's of shares on inbound.org.
The first reason that I see for that is that the brand of these blogs is so far embedded in people's minds, that people do curate the content without reading. It's become trustworthy, and a safe/lazy bet. Worse than that though, there is certainly a pretty big popularity contest in the SEO industry, that isn't always welcome to new voices (aka. the /r/circlejerk). Nothing new, anyone that's gone to a conference or has even read an SEO blog where the top ~50 bloggers name drop one of another in almost every post, knows how this goes. And I get the impression that even the people that participate in it don't necessarily like it, but it is what it is, and that is, a big junior high school popularity contest at times.
David Cohen @explorionary
I'll admit I'm not a faithful commentor even though I find the submissions with a strong comment thread are the most valuable. It's nice to see people let their personalities come out, without the constraints of Twitter and lunacy of Facebook.
The only wish I have is that we could talk more business stuff. I wouldn't change any of the current submission categories, but there are times I've wanted to submit a business post but didn't feel it was the right thing to do. If I had to give a reason why, it's because no matter what category of digital marketer you fall in, business matters -- your clients business, the business-side of Google, it all matters too.
Since Ed began managing Inbound, it's an easy 10X improvement, he's clearly passionate about making Inbound a thriving community. Respect for that. And I know it'll keep getting better. The business talk thing is just a thought to throw out there.
Richard Barrett @Rich_NB_Barrett
Hey Tom,
I am brand-new to inbound.org and the marketing neighborhood at large. I guess if nothing else I can offer the perspective of an outsider looking in.
When I started researching the business, it didn't take for me to realize the sheer volume of content spewing out daily from all manner of places and I definitely felt the undertone of friendly competition to re-post this information between peers.
Naturally I was looking for a site that made sense of this material without missing a blink and I think inbound.org does a good job of attempting to fulfill this.
I was actually surprised by the strength and activity of the community and for me it's great to be able to interface with some amazing people from a broad spectrum.
I hope that this reply helps provide a different viewpoint.
It really does, Richard. I do think I was rather short sighted when posting my thoughts, as I was approaching it solely from my perspective. I think I portrayed them reasonably well, but getting feedback such as this has really helped me to understand the wider picture.
Brandon Hassler @BrandonHassler
Going along with Mark's comments, I think it's pretty safe to say that even if one tries to "game the system" they'll be hot for a few hours and then it will drop down off the first page. The quality posts will always prevail.
Julian Hearn @JulianHearn
With any submission type site, reddit, hacker news, etc there is a race to submit new content from big sites. It's not really a problem. The only problem with inbound is lack of submissions and votes. The average number of votes on the current homepage posts are in the teens, once they reach the hundreds, the wisdom of crowds should bring the best content to top.
That's a fair point, and one that I'll definitely bear in mind. Despite the recent rebrand and influx in Q3/Q4 last year, the site's still in its infancy.
Brandon Hassler @BrandonHassler
Well Tom, if this whole post was just a sneaky way for you to build Karma then congratulations! At the beginning of the day you were around 78ish karma, and as I type this you are at 293. Well done, sir.
You've discovered my evil plan - post a linkbait title and rake in the virtual goodness.
(I kid, I kid, Oh law do I kid)
TimothyAlcock @TimothyAlcock
Think some people are annoyed they got out gamed :)
The title rather than the submitter still decides my click through, people will game the system but as far as I can see most of the quality stuff still rises to the top due to systems used.
Being a reader rather than a contributor im glad people are filling the site karma seems to be the driver?
victorpan @victorpan
The same thought had occurred to me a while back. I think Tom is spot on about the circlejerking phenomenon... so, anyone want to submit something from my blog in exchange for the help of my friends to submit yours? ;)
In any online community, people will find roles for themselves over time... and there can only be a few news breakers ;) The rest of us will have to find our own ways to give and get from the community.
What can inbound.org do to prevent the crowding of inbound.org results from big-name SEO's? Create different ranking algorithms :)
Don Sturgill @Roadturn
Love it. Just signed up and the first post I see is about "what's wrong" with the site. This is my kind of place. I'm a professional trouble-shooter (mostly appreciated only by myself).
Would just like to say I'm absolutely delighted with some of the responses here and it's been great to chew the fat with a bunch of you over it.
You've certainly given me a lot to think about over the issue. I'd like to apologise once again if I've jumped down anyone's throat here, but it looks as though you've understood my concern. The comment vs submission karma suggestion gave me food for thought, and it was wonderful to see Dharmesh pop up in the thread. I felt encouraged to post this precisely because of your belief in transparency, while I'd say I care a lot about the issue because I think Inbound.org could be huge.
Thanks again guys, this sure beats a regular Wednesday!
Alistair Lattimore @alattimore
I have a different motivator for not commenting regularly on Inbound submissions, guilt.
For me personally, I feel guilty about posting comments about some one else's hard work on Inbound.
If it were my hard work, I would want/love the discussion to take place on my site - not on Inbound. I think I would find that very encouraging to see a wealth of community knowledge and engagement pouring itself into a site of mine. Granted great discussion on Inbound is better than no discussion of an author's work at all but I still believe it'd be more rewarding if it were on the authors blog.
To fix my issue and maybe others if they feel the same way, I'm imagining an extension of Social by Crowd Favorite:
If you haven't seen it before, other than being a way to easily publish your posts to Twitter & Facebook - it can aggregate comments, tweets and discussions from those social networks back into the original WordPress post as comments. I'd feel a whole lot less guilty if Social was extended (for instance) and it provided a way for discussion on Inbound to end up on the authors site if they were running the Social plugin.
I realise that'd be a mile away in terms of development but I'm just opening up the concept for discussion.
Merge it with an Onlywire type service and that's a home run for many.
That's a new one to me, Alistair but really interesting. Would love to hear/read others' thoughts on this.
Jake Belfry @jakebelfry
As long as the overall content on inbouund.org is better than the spam commenting, then I will still be here. Spam will always exists.
Spook SEO @SpookSEO
Great discussion Tom. I have to say that things like these is inevitable. Although I know Mark and Chris are very respectable people (and they had the best intentions or probably just having fun), there will be others who'll come a long and try to game the rules(the bad way) no matter what the cost.
I agree with Anthony D. Nelson's suggestion to increase the weight of "Comment Karma" to calculate "Karma points." As a relatively new member, just being the first to submit an article by Bryan Eisenberg was a big thrill for me regardless of any Karma number. I wanted my name to be the one that submitted the article: that was the thrill, the number of "Karma points" didn't factor into the feeling. I also liked the fact that 8 members gave a "thumbs up vote" to my submission.
mattmedeiros @mattmedeiros
I agree with Dan.
A lot of my own original content is focused around WordPress, running a WP business, WP plugin review webshows and it get's very little attention. I don't have a problem with that if this place is strictly SEO content - but the article submission drop down does list a lot more than just that.
I assume mostly because of the Rand following came over even though he didn't specifically promo it on seomoz.
Newbie to inbound here and just getting my feet wet but maybe some comments from someone who literally arrived fresh off the boat a few days ago. When I first found the site, I really liked the upvote system and appreciated the sorting options. As a Reddit user for a few years, I get the Karma (Karm-in?) voting process and feel the upvote-only is a pretty positive change. Nearly all of the Articles/Topics are great and I never got the impression of the gaminess of the system until you brought it up in this post. Maybe it's the Reddit Naiveté because that site has become a brothel of Karma love. Jaded perhaps? Either way, I like how you are concerned about the quality and understand there will always be those dirty little Karm-In lovers that want some high rankings. Oh, and don't Upvote this at all. Keep up the great work. I'll be contributing some saucy content soon enough.
James Gurd @JamesGurd
Hi Tom
It's an interesting question. But knee-jerk thumbs up and shares are an inevitable part of online content because some people just want to be seen to part of something and sharing. In the same way that not all content serves a purpose or adds value to a topic. In the same way that not all links are 'good'.
However, I think it's up to us as individuals to screen out content that is not useful or constructive. If we see the same person posting what we consider to be useless/low grade content, we can choose to ignore their future posts.
Where I think Inbound adds value is that you can identify influencers you trust/respect etc and then start to follow the links they post, on the assumption that what they share is interesting. I use it alongside social media channels like Twitter as a means to identify content that gets lots of votes and it can be a useful avenue for content I wouldn't otherwise find.
Sam Barnes @Sam_Barnes90
Well you certainly have sparked a discussion Tom!
I agree to a certain extent. Karma whoring is evident at times, but I think it's a necessary evil in building a great community!
Think about it this way, if you create a community that people don't want to be a part of, don't want to gain influence in and don't really care about, then congratulations you have a karma whoring free zone.
But with inbound.org, you see people doing it all the time! So in a way it's a good sign ....
However, I do agree that it should stay out of the comments. They're meant for meaningful discussion, insights and additions! I've read some amazing things on Inbound, as much from the comments as from the articles themselves. Some of the members here really do provide some great additions to the article that's just been read. I remember on one occasion reading an article which then lead me to about 4 others on the recommendations from other users and helped me solve an issue I'd been experiencing for months!
In the future it might become a problem that stops me visiting, but it certainly won't be at its current level.
Nothings perfect, there are always going to be things that niggle and grate at you. In all honesty, if this is your big rant about Inbound ... I would say its doing pretty well, wouldn't you?


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