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CATEGORIES Features, Discussion Posts, Movies We Love, Sci-FiMost science fiction films announce their arrival with a bang. If a movie is about aliens, we'll be seeing aliens in the first ten minutes. If the movie features time traveling robots, we'll see some time traveling robot action within the first act. Most movies wear their genre on their sleeve and display it proudly.
Some movies don't announce their true identities so soon. For better or for worse, some movies don't let their freak flag fly until late in the narrative, long after it's lured in viewers who would normally never watch a science fiction story. Below, I've taken the time to dissect eight science fiction movies that may not, at first, appear to be science fiction movies. I know I've missed too many to count, so feel free to abuse and educate me in the comments below!
Oh, and it gets about as spoilery as you can get from here on out, so tread lightly.
1. Predator (1987)
How Does It Start?
Well, technically the very first shot tells us this is a science fiction film, but no one remembers that shot. They remember the dawn arrival of a helicopter filled with the toughest team of mercenaries ever put on film, the bicep-bulging reunion of Arnold Schwarzenegger's Dutch and Carl Weathers' Dylan and the lousy tough-guy jokes on the chopper flight into hostile territory. The first act of Predator is the best men-on-a-mission action film of the 1980s, complete with the standard Arnie death-puns ("Stick around!"). It's the manliest non-homo erotic movie ever made, the story of a team of bad*ss super soldiers ruining nameless guerillas in the jungle...
Whoa! What Was That?
...And then an invisible monster brutally shuffles the mortal coil of Shane Black's Comic Relief Commando. An alien big game hunter, eh? That sucks. You just can't plan for some things.
Now What?
The science fiction twist of Predator (which isn't really a twist since everyone knows it's going to happen, but whatever, this is my article) is brilliant not only for its concept, but for how and when it is revealed in the movie. By hiding the titular villain for the first thirty minutes or so, we get to spend time watching Schwarzenegger, Weathers, Jesse Ventura, Bill Duke and Sonny Landham prove that they're the toughest guys on the planet. They're relentless and deadly and pretty much unstoppable in that 1980s action movie kind of way.
Once we're comfortable with the fact that no human being can possibly bring these guys down, a super-intelligent creature with highly advanced weaponry pops up and begins picking them off with relentless ease. I don't think anyone who watches Predator will ever forget Ventura's sudden demise, where his minigun-toting Blain goes down without a fight.
Of course, this all culminates in the classic climax, where Arnie goes mano-a-beastie with the Predator, a sequence that manages to feel equal parts Conan the Barbarian and Alien. The science fiction element ups the ante, increases the threat and manages to make a goofy flick into one of the great sci-fi action hybrids of all time.
2. The Forgotten (2004)
How Does It Start?
Julianne Moore had a son. Julianne Moore's son died some time ago. Julianne Moore is sad. Julianne Moore is told she never had a son and she's suffering from delusions stemming from her miscarriage many years ago. Julianne Moore doesn't believe this. Julianne Moore finds an ally in a man who remembers a child who also apparently never existed. Julianne Moore is on a quest. Julianne Moore will find the truth.
Whoa! What Was That?
Oh. Aliens did it.
Now What?
Hey, I never said this was going to be "8 GOOD Science Fiction Films That Don't Start as Science Fiction," but The Forgotten was one of the very first films to spring to mind during the initial brainstorming process. I still remember seeing the trailer about about 72 times in theaters and how it was sold as conspiracy thriller about a mother scorned. Like Flightplan, but with a lot of running instead of airplanes.
Perhaps aliens being the culprits is pretty obvious in retrospect and it's the only way the movie could have really worked without a "Oh My God It Was In Her Mind All Along!" twist ending, but man, is it silly. I wish I could remember the details, but the irony of the title is how forgettable the entire movie really is. Zing!
I do remember that we never see the aliens. We do see Julianne Moore getting punched by invisible somethings in the alien's lair (which is a, uh, a warehouse) and defeating these all-powerful extra-terrestrials through the power of love and somehow magically getting her son back but not remembering her entire ordeal. Yawn.
3. The Box (2009)
How Does It Start?
Set in 1976, Norma and Arthur Lewis (Cameron Diaz and James Marsden) are reasonably normal couple with a reasonably normal child who live in a reasonably normal neighborhood. She's a teacher, he works for NASA and money is looking pretty tight. One day, Arlington Seward (Frank Langella) arrives on their doorstep with a proposition. He will leave them with a box for 24 hours. In the box is a button. If they push the button, they'll get one million dollars...but someone they don't know will die. What follows is a dark fable of morality, ethics and making tough decisions, right? Right?
Whoa! What Was That?
Three self-sustaining pillars of water that act as dimensional portals in the middle of a library? Whaaa? Martians teleporting into Frank Langella's face via lightning? Whaaaa? The box is part of an ongoing test conducted by Martians and their zombie minions to decide if the human race is worth saving? Whaaaaa?
Now What?
The Box is based, er, "loosely inspired" by Richard Matheson's short story "Button, Button." Matheson may be famous for his horror and science fiction stories, but "Button, Button" is a very simple, stripped down drama that exists solely to propose one central question: what is the worth of a human life in the face of a fortune?
But you can't expect director Richard Kelly (of Donnie Darko fame and Southland Tales infamy) to make anything simple or stripped down. So he throws in aliens. And conspiracies. And dimensional portals. And horribly disfiguring injuries. And nosebleeds. Lots and lots of nosebleeds. Unlike most of the films on this list, The Box doesn't become a science fiction film through a sudden plot twist, but rather builds up to it, adding odd layer after odd layer, getting deeper and stranger and more twisted as it goes. Soon, we learn that the box is part of test by "those who control the lightning" (aka, ALIENS! From Mars, no less), who are trying to decide if human beings are worth saving. They're kind of the anti-Klaatu: testing humanity's worth through deceit and trickery rather than being Space Jesus.
It's ambitious for sure, but the weight of Kelly's ideas force the entire movie to implode at the end, where our heroes are forced to make a new decision that: 1. Doesn't make any sense in the context of the story and 2. Goes against the entire "we always have a choice" theme of the movie. Kelly took a simple dramatic premise and gave it a sci-fi makeover, bloating it to the point of bursting. That doesn't mean it's not interesting. This is the definition of a noble failure.
4. Eagle Eye (2008)
How Does It Start?
Shia LaBeouf and Michelle Monaghan are minding their own business when they get a phone call from a mysterious woman. She frames him for being a terrorist. She threatens the life of her young son. This voice is going to help them out of the little mess it put them in...as long as they do what it wants. With the cops and the FBI on their tail, the two embark on a wild and crazy journey filled with car chases and foot chases and car chases and...you get the point. And then, around the halfway mark, that mysterious female voice reveals her identity...
Whoa! What Was That?
She's HAL 9000. Well, not quite, but she is an advanced supercomputer with a red glowing eye. Her name is Aria and she's pretty much an embodiment of the Patriot Act. And she's smarter than you and can hack into anything. Sorry, Even Stevens. You're screwed.
Now What?
There aren't many plot changes post-revelation, really. More car chases, more foot chases, more car chases. BUT NOW THERE'S AN EVIL COMPUTER BEHIND IT ALL! It started as a silly action movie and it ends as a silly action movie. Like The Forgotten, this was a film sold as a conspiracy thriller (and sold constantly for what felt like at least a year), so perhaps the "OMG COMPUTERZ DID IT!!!11" revelation had a bit more weight to it at the time of release.
With some distance, the "twist" feels obvious. Plus, what's more ridiculous? A supercomputer going rogue and manipulating people into a full-blown coup de'tat? Or the fastest hacker in the world, who can instantly manipulate street lights, access any and all security cameras and pretty much control anything with an electric current?
Either way, it would feel like science fiction. Not smart or particularly compelling science fiction, but science fiction.
5. The Lucifer Complex (1978)
How Does It Start?
This is the oldest film on the list and probably the one the fewest people have seen. Sometimes, I wonder if I'm the only one in the western hemisphere to have made it past the opening scene, which is, quite literally, a man sitting in front of a monitor and watching stock footage of various wars and Woodstock for twenty minutes. Seriously. After we finish suffering through that, the plot of this low-budget cheapie kicks in: Robert Vaughn is a soldier (or cop or something, this whole movie feels like a bad fever dream, so forgive me if I'm vague with plot details) who discovers that the Nazis were not defeated in World War II...they just packed up and moved to the Florida Everglades! Nazi soldiers in WWII uniforms with WWII weaponry watch over a secret concentration camp in the middle of Florida swampland. You should not be surprised when I tell you the climax features a bunch of women in sexy Holocaust-wear staging an escape from captivity while Vaughn takes on the Third Reich in a hijacked tank. It's that kind of movie. And yes, it's awesome. But then, in the final ten minutes or so-
Whoa! What Was That?
Is that...is that a clone of Hitler? No, surely it's just...No, it is.
Now What?
The finale has something to do with Nazi plans to clone world leaders and take over the world. Up until this point in the movie, we know that they're up to something none-to-savory, but it isn't until Hitler himself makes a grand appearance that we know that this isn't fiction with some science thrown in, but science fiction. Albeit, science fiction Nazi-sploitation.
You should not be surprised when I tell you that Hitler is killed by his own sentient Eagle statue, which disintegrates him with a laser. And yes, it's awesome.
6. Vanilla Sky (2001)
How Does It Start?
Tom Cruise is a rich douchebag who, like any man with good taste, falls in love with Penelope Cruz. When Cameron Diaz, his crazy ex-girlfriend, finds out, she drives her car off a bridge. With him in it. Diaz goes dead and Cruise goes ugly, his face horribly scarred in the accident. He becomes reclusive and more than a little unstable, but some convenient corrective surgery and the effervescent Cruz turn him around and he finds happiness. Until he starts to go insane and see things. Maybe.
Whoa! What Was That?
Hey, um, you know the the movie you've been watching? The somewhat realistic dramatic thriller about a guy coming to terms with his personal issues, getting over a disfiguring injury and connecting with the real woman of this dreams? Yeah, well, for the second half of the running time, he's, uh, he's...he's-been-in-cryo-stasis-for-150-years-by-his-choice-and-all-of-this-has-been-a-waking-dream-that-symbolizes-his-deepest-fears-and-desires. Sorry to say that so quickly. The movie's almost over.
Now What?
This is a sticky one, because it is entirely possible to interpret the ending in several ways, but I'm going to take it at face value and declare that Vanilla Sky's conclusion is not a dream, not a coma fantasy and not a novel being written by a supporting character. Tom Cruise will wake up after the events of the movie and it will be 150 years in the future.
This is the only film on the list where the sci-fi twist literally comes in the closing moments, which, arguably, makes it the least sci-fi of the bunch. To this I would agree: to classify Vanilla Sky as a pure science fiction film would be wrong. It's what the motion picture advertisements call a "psychological thriller" first and foremost. So, here's the question for you folks in the comments section: is making the bulk of the film a waking dream brought on by Cruise's self-imposed cryogenic freezing a lazy choice? Is it exploiting the infinite possibilities of science fiction to get away with not having a real ending? Or is it trying to create a dialogue among viewers?
Go ahead and give it a watch again. It's not as bad as you've heard.
7. The Prestige (2006)
How Does It Start?
Christopher Nolan squeezed out this little gem between the Batman Begins and The Dark Knight and it's easily among his strongest work. Borden (Christian Bale) and Angier (Hugh Jackman) are magicians in turn of the century London. Angier hates Borden because he may have caused caused the death of his wife in a magic trick gone horribly awry. As both men gain notoriety for their magic acts, their rivalry intensifies, leading to shattered legs, missing fingers and (Dare I say it?) broken hearts. This movie is cool enough when it's just a meticulously structured period thriller about two men who destroy themselves and each other in a vicious circle of vengeance, but then Nolan pulls out the awesome card.
Whoa! What Was That?
Angier meets Nikola Tesla (David Bowie!). Tesla builds a machine for Angier that will replicate Borden's signature "Transported Man" illusion. And by replicate, I mean it will use the infinite power of electricity to create a perfect replica of its subject. And by that, I mean HOLY CRAP.
Now What?
If you'll allow me to trot out some Arthur C. Clarke: "Any sufficiently advanced technology is indistinguishable from magic." The Prestige makes a big deal about magic not being real. Nolan lets us see the inside and outside of every illusion, how the characters use slight of hand, visual tricks, nifty gadgets and extreme, lifelong commitment to create the illusion of magic.
That's why Clarke's quote is relevant. That's why The Prestige is such a brilliant little movie. Angier finds a way to actually do what magicians only pretend to do. However, it's not done through the discovery of real magic, but through the application of advanced technology. Of course, this means Angier has to kill off a clone of himself (or is the clone killing the original?) every time he performs, but that's something he can live with.
However, there is nothing to suggest that this turn is coming. The rest of the movie is played so straight with so much attention paid to period detail that an electric powered cloning machine seems to come straight out of left field. For the first 2/3 of the movie, you have no idea you're watching a science fiction movie, but repeat viewings reveal that Nolan never hides this, he just doesn't call attention to it. The science fiction is on display in the first scene of the movie, just lurking in the background.
The Prestige manages to keep itself somewhat grounded and never becomes hard science fiction, but it fully embraces its fantastical side, taking developments that would have thrown most movies off course in stride. The sci-fi elements slide right on into the already complicated narrative, making what was already a very cool movie into one of the coolest movies of the '00s.
8. Dark City (1998)
How Does It Start?
We could debate this one, but I'll save that for the "Now What?" section.
Rufus Sewell wakes up in a hotel bathtub with no memory of who he is. There is a dead prostitute in the other room. A group men dressed in black, the Strangers, are after him. A voice on the phone tells him to run. He does. Jennifer Connelly is his concerned nightclub singer girlfriend who is now faced with the prospect that the man she loves is the serial killer that's been plaguing the city. William Hurt is the police detective hot on his trail. Soon, they all learn that something is not quite right, especially since the Strangers seem to have the strange ability to manipulate the world around them. And especially since everyone's memories feel...off. Soon, with all of our heroes at the edge of the city, they break down a brick wall, hoping to find the truth...
Whoa! What Was That?
They just airlocked William Hurt. They just...THEY JUST AIRLOCKED WILLIAM HURT! Out a brick wall! The entire city is frakkin' spaceship!
Now What?
This one is a little tenuous, especially if you don't watch the director's cut, which makes tiny but extremely important changes to how and when information is revealed. The theatrical cut's opening voice over tells us straight off that the Strangers are aliens. The director's cut removes this narration altogether. This tiny change deepens the mystery and makes the reveal that beyond the city's walls lies nothing but OUTER SPACE far more chilling.
Some would argue that Dark City is obviously a science fiction film from the start, with amazing production design torn straight out of 1920s German Expressionism and villains with telekinesis and the ability to freeze time and manipulate the city to their will. In terms of the director's cut, this all plays like a horror film more than anything, an ode to films like The Cabinet of Dr. Caligari. The alien aspect remains a surprise. In the theatrical cut, we know it's science fiction, but that doesn't stop the reveal of the city's true nature to be a total gamechanger, propelling the film from one type of science fiction into another altogether.
Either way, I love how the style of the film initially appears to operate strictly as a homage, but the ultimate revelation takes it beyond a stylistic choice. It is a true alien world.
One thing I noticed while putting this together was the lack of older films that fit this type. Have things changed in the past decade or so? Has it only recently become okay to blend genres as these films do? Or am I just a moron who needs to learn his film history? I hope to hear about it below.


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Trying to define a Latin music artist can be as complex as trying to define Latin music itself. Considering today's popularity of crossover styles and Latin music awards given to artists who simply have some Latin background, this definition becomes even more complicated. In spite of this, there are three basic elements that can help us to define a Latin music artist.
The Meaning of Latin
As an adjective, Latin is commonly used to make a reference to people coming from Latin America. The reason why Latin America is named like this has much to do with the European powers that dominated the region after Columbus. Spain and Portugal were, in fact, considered Latin because of their languages, which developed from the original Latin language of the Roman Empire. Because of this, the concept of Latin music extends to artists with Spanish and Portuguese backgrounds. Recently, an Italian background is sometimes treated as an element that relates to Latin music.
Defining A Latin Music ArtistTo be considered a Latin music artist, an individual or group must have at least one of the following three features:
- Rhythm: Play musical genres that are original from Latin America or a Latin European country.
- Cultural background: Have a cultural background related to Latin America or a Latin European country.
- Language: Play melodies either in Spanish and/or Portuguese.
When an artist has all the features mentioned above, it is easy to place that artist into the Latin music world. Let's consider an artist like Celia Cruz, the Queen of Salsa, who falls into this category. Celia Cruz was a Cuban artist (cultural background) who used to sing Salsa (rhythm) in Spanish (language).
Most Latin music artists fall into this category. However, the problem arises with the increasing crossover trends and the confusion created by recent award nominations to artists who barely meet any of the elements previously discussed.
Crossover Artists
Recently, there is so much buzz about crossover artists who combine different rhythms into their music. However, from a historical perspective, Latin music is the result of a never ending crossover style that reflects the cultural diversity of the region.
Let's look at someone like Shakira, a crossover artist whose only fixed Latin music feature is her cultural background. If you think about a song like "She Wolf," the only feature she meets is her cultural background because the rhythm of the melody does not belong to Latin music and the language is English. However, if we take her song "Loca," she meets all the features: A Colombian artist (background) singing in Spanish (language) a song, which is based on a Merengue beat (rhythm).
Latin Music Awards
Lately, the most famous Latin music awards have created some sort of confusion about the concept behind a Latin music artist. How do you explain, for example, that Lady Gaga has been nominated to a Billboard Latin Music Award? The reason is because of Gaga's Italian origins. The same situation happens to Italian singer Laura Pausini who, unlike Gaga, has built a significant portion of her career singing in Spanish.
Something similar happens with other artists like Nelly Furtado and Christina Aguilera. In a way, the inclusion of these artists within the Latin music world is good because it brings attention to Latin music. However, it would not be good for Latin music to increase the amount of awards given to artists whose only relation to Latin music is a distant ancestry related to the Latin world. A good balance in this way will surely help to define in a better way the concept that surrounds a Latin music artist. In the meantime, we could use the elements exposed in this article to make more sense of a definition dealing with a Latin music artist.

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You explained it in the terms of gravity. I could except that.
I'll tell you what.... once I have sat for a while and actually developed a theory, I WILL post it here in the ATM then you can all attack it like piranha fish.
In hindsight, I probably won't use a steady state model. I have a preferrence for another model.
I've addressed your post. Your various complaints about the big bang model fall into these categories.
1) Misunderstanding of what the big bang actually says.
2) Misunderstanding of the implications and mechanisms of red/blue shift
3) Blindly regurgitating long refuted arguments about the big bang.
I am not skimming through your posts. Every post I've made contains the full post to which I am answering. As many people here can attest to I'm often border lining on obsessive when I answer post line by line.
Doesn't change the argument. Its like a kid telling their mother "I'm not jumping on the bed...I'm hopping!"
As for a container of particles the vectors of said particles without some external heat source will be statistically uniform using a normal curve based on the temperature. The direction of the particles will be uniformly distributed. The speed of the particles will fit a normal curve based on the particles mass and the temperature of the gas.
If anyone else here thinks I'm wrong please feel free to correct me but both Strange and I seem to hear you say the same thing which points to a either a basic misunderstanding of physics by you or you are not using the terminology in a standard manner...which often also indicates a basic misunderstanding of the science involved.
You are saying that it is more probable that everything outside the local cluster is moving away from us with a velocity proportional to distance rather than a "random" distribution of directions and velocities.
Your challenging the theory based on misunderstandings and you are not coming up with anything to replace it with.
So what causes the spectra be shifted in a manner that is equivalent to a recession speed of >=c? Again are you proposing some "tired light" idea?
To date there are only a handful of mechanisms that can shift the spectra of an object.
If you take out cosmic expansion as one of the mechanisms what do you replace that with? Note cosmic expansion is the only mechanism that, to date, can explain z values > 1 without breaking SR and GR.
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If you take out cosmic expansion as the primary component of high red shift objects, specifically red shift objects with z values > 1, then you MUST replace it with something that can explain z values > 1.
You seem to be in agreement that objects can't travel faster then the speed of light so what causes the z values > 1?
When you make statements like
If you want to say that light just naturally red shifts as it is travelling through space then you are proposing a "tired light" idea and I suggest you just read up on why such ideas are not accepted.
Let's tackle one little piece of this. This is a question about your ATM idea that recessional velocities are dependent on distance. Do you understand that Andromeda is, if I recall correctly, the only blue shifted galaxy? Even if there are others in the local galaxy cluster, there are none in any other cluster. This is important. Do you understand this?
Also, try this article:
and contemplate the quote from korjik below, please.
Regards, John M.
I'm not a hardnosed mainstreamer; I just like the observations, theories, predictions, and results to match.
"Mainstream isnt a faith system. It is a verified body of work that must be taken into account if you wish to add to that body of work, or if you want to change the conclusions of that body of work." - korjik
Either way, I want this thread closed now. I don't support the steady state theory to replace big bang, I have my own theory which I think is much better and I am in the process of writing. Could you please close this thread like I asked a long time back.
ps. keep in mind this thread was put here against my will - I don't want to be forced into giving personal theories into how to account for BB phenomena in a steady state scenario. I never intended it all. I was just being polite answering questions.
The fact is that 7,000 odd objects might seem like a large number until you look at how many MILLION objects are actually in the dataset.
You seem to think the CMBR has to be "perfect" and that 1 outlier data point invalidates a whole model but that isn't the case. That isn't how science is done. No model is perfect and as models go the Big Bang theory is a very good model.
0 : 100006749
1 : 99974889
2 : 99995433
3 : 100005867
4 : 100014717
5 : 99993508
6 : 100012110
7 : 100005234
8 : 100000699
9 : 99990794
0 : 100003920
1 : 99997673
2 : 100007431
3 : 99982741
4 : 100007542
5 : 100016167
6 : 99995014
7 : 99994602
8 : 100003209
9 : 99991701
0 : 99991443
1 : 99998041
2 : 99994379
3 : 100012185
4 : 100003202
5 : 99990382
6 : 99998776
7 : 100005865
8 : 100007648
9 : 99998079
WOW 1 billion random random numbers generated 3 times and the distribution of numbers is VERY uniform. Look at that the deviation is like .002%
Funny thing is the larger the sample the lower the deviation will become. So is a container like 1 litre of water we are talking about 3.3428x1025 molecules or 33,428,000,000,000,000,000,000,000 molecules with random motion the standard deviation of motion is going to be VERY small. Heating up the and cooling down the watter doesn't change the deviation either.
so while the individual numbers are completely random the distribution is very uniform and very statistical.
Note: after thinking about it ... the standard deviation probably wouldn't change very much. I'm running a set of 100 billion to see if it sits at .002%
Is there some kind of mental block, I am not answering these questions any more. This was not my intention for this thread and I won't be bullied into answering for a theory which my heart is not even content on.
Now mods, would you please close this thread.
Ok, I am ready to post my theory quite soon. I haven't written math for it, but I could write some up later.
Now you are flat-out ignoring me. I have no choice but to report you for trolling.
The mental block is yours. You do not understand the implications of random distributions and large numbers. When you have a very large number of objects averaging their random variable will come out to a very specific value. This is called the central limit theorem.
Oh, that you stop to heed. Since the moderators are slow in closing this thread, and in fear of a new infraction, I am posting the new theory in off-topic babbling. Please join there to read it. The mods can move it back here when they have actually decided to close it.
For someone who repeatedly says they are not participating in a thread, you sure post a lot.
The option given you was to say you didn't want to participate in ATM, and then stop participating. You are not acting like a gentlemen, you are acting at least contradictorily; you certainly also are not following our rules, nor show any indication you are familiar with them. Maybe things were done "against your will" but you don't get to decide the rules here. If you don't like our rules, it is a big Internet. You need to quickly figure out the rules here or the choice of posting here or not will no longer be yours.
The combined behavior in this thread will earn you an infraction.
Oh, and this thread is closed. Do not try to start this discussion in a new thread. You get one swing with an ATM theory here, you had your's. If you wish to further discuss this topic, you can Report my post and we will consider reopening the thread.
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According to LeapFish, James could sell cricketweb for £126,746. Highly innacurate no doubt, but quite interesting.
According to LeapFish, James could sell cricketweb for £126,746. Highly innacurate no doubt, but quite interesting.
I heard Kerry Packer was considering a bid before he died, tbh.
Cricket Web's 2013/14 Premier League Tipping Champion
- As featured in The Independent.
"The committee discussed the issue of illegal bowling actions, and believed that there are a number of bowlers currently employing suspect actions in international cricket, and that the ICC's reporting and testing procedures are not adequately scrutinising these bowlers."
- Even the ICC's own official press release thinks things must change
Suppose we say that the forum generates about 68% of the site's traffick. And Marc probably has about 5% of all posts on the forum, does that mean that Marc could be worth in the region of £4309.36?
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Not when he's on your ignore list...
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I would sell it personaly.If he did he could keep his membership.
Well the Irish did it on St Patrick's day
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Do you know what an investment is?
I wonder how much Cricbuzz must be worth?
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You know it makes sense.
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Grant to support welding program
Johnston Community College has received $250,000 from the Duke Energy Foundation. JCC will use the money to develop a certificate program in advanced welding.
The two-year project will also address the need for robotic technology by establishing an American Welding Society training center to provide and validate the robotics skill set needed by companies in the region.
"Johnston Community College is so grateful for this significant award from Duke Energy Foundation," said David N. Johnson, JCC president. "This investment will allow JCC the opportunity to participate in the revitalization of manufacturing in our region by offering advanced robotic welder training, a skill set that is needed in many of our surrounding industries."
"Our partnership with Johnston Community College develops a highly skilled workforce that will attract and retain businesses in the region for years to come," said Paul Newton, Duke Energy's state president in North Carolina.
The grant is part of Duke Energy's $30 million investment in N.C. community colleges in support of technical education that helps recruit new industries and retain existing ones.
Reading program gets boost
The Partnership for Children of Johnston County has received $9,500 from the Duke Energy Foundation to expand the early-literacy program Reach Out and Read, or ROR.
ROR is a national program that supports doctors in their efforts to "prescribe" reading to young children and families. The Partnership for Children of Johnston County will work with medical practices to promote early literacy and school readiness by giving books to children and advice to parents about the importance of reading aloud. This includes book sharing, free books for children to keep and waiting rooms full of books and early-literacy materials.
"We are grateful to the Duke Energy Foundation for their investment in this early-literacy program," said Karen Mills, program manager for the Partnership for Children. "Through this program, many more families will have access to age-appropriate books in their homes, which is proven to prepare children for school success."
In fiscal 2013-2014, the Partnership's ROR program served more than 100 children through a grant received from the N.C. Partnership for Children. That effort resulted in a measurable increase in the number of families reporting that they read to their child every day.
"Reach Out and Read is thrilled to be able to expand our partnership with Smart Start in communities across North Carolina," said Callee Boulware, executive director of Reach Out and Read Carolinas. "The partnership is a natural one; the network of local partnerships helps to support strong, high-quality Reach Out and Read programs in communities, better supporting children and families across the state."


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Johannes Mehserle sentenced to two years with double credit for time served
Killer cop gets away with murder
KPFA 94.1 FM two-hour Special Report on the Mehserle Sentencing broadcast Friday, Nov. 5, 4-6 p.m.
Hosted by Davey D, produced by Minister of Information JR
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by Davey D
Football star Plexico Burris did more time shooting himself than Mehserle. Michael Vick did more time [for dog fighting] than Mehserle.
Rally today at downtown Oakland at 2 p.m. Shame on Mehserle, the judge and any police officer who sat back and allowed this to take place without speaking out.
Today was not a good day. It makes you wonder if there even is a such thing as JUSTICE. Maybe it doesn't exist. Maybe we been hoodwinked and bamboozled.
Lemme know if someone knows where JUSTICE is at?
Eric Holder? President Obama? Why are you guys in office if you're not gonna make sure justice is carried out.
Here are two heartfelt speeches to give folks better context as to what's at stake. The first one is from Oscar Grant's "sister in law," the aunt to his daughter Tatiana. It's a letter to Judge Robert Perry where she breaks down how his death has impacted the family.
The second is from Minister Keith Muhammad, who has been on the case from day one. He sums up everything that has happened and what we are ultimately seeking: Justice.
• http://www.swift.fm/mrdaveyd/song/76046/ Open Letter to Judge Robert Perry
• http://www.swift.fm/mrdaveyd/song/76047/ Minister Keith Speaks
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Judge Perry issues sentence for Johannes Mehserle: two years
by Nishat Kurwa, Youth Radio
Los Angeles – Judge Robert Perry has sentenced former BART transit cop Johannes Mehserle to the minimum sentence of two years in state prison for the shooting death of 22-year-old Oscar Grant.
Johannes Mehserle was sentenced to two years in prison, a fraction of the maximum sentence he could have received. Judge Perry gave double credit for his time served, bringing the total to 292 days of credit. Mehserle could have faced between four and 14 years for the charge, but legal analysts widely speculated the sentence would be on the shorter end of that spectrum. Involuntary manslaughter charge carries a maximum of four years in prison, but a gun enhancement could have added an additional 10 years.
Analysts seized on the disparity between the sentence and the enhancement, arguing that involuntary manslaughter suggests an accidental killing but that the gun enhancement suggests intentional use of a deadly weapon. That discord meant that Judge Perry could draw a wide range of interpretations based on the jury's findings.
The incident lead to multiple violent protests in downtown Oakland and stirred up racial tensions and the city's long history of unease between the police and the community. Mehersle, a white man, was videotaped from multiple angles, shooting Grant, an unarmed Black man, on the Fruitvale BART platform.
Protests are scheduled in Oakland today. City offices are closing early and many businesses are shutting down early in advance of demonstrations. Unlike the July verdict when members of the community and media widely anticipated violent outbreaks, no one is quite sure what the community's response might be today. Some businesses had boarded up their windows in advance of today's sentencing but only a fraction of those that shuttered this summer for the verdict.
The final chapter in the case has yet to be written. It's widely expected Mehserle's attorney will appeal the verdict.
Nishat Kurwa, as news director for Youth Radio, where this story first appeared, leads a team of adult and youth staff producing across Youth Radio's broadcast and online outlets. Before coming to Youth Radio, she was the producer of KMEL's public affairs show, Street Knowledge with Davey D, and is currently also a news producer at KCBS Radio in San Francisco. In 2002, she was the co-creator and executive producer of KPFA's Islam Today, the first program by and about Muslims on U.S. public radio. In 2004, Kurwa was named a Salzburg Seminar Fellow. Contact Youth Radio at 1701 Broadway Ave., Oakland, CA 94612, (510) 251-1101, email@example.com.
Youth Radio is on the scene reporting Friday night with a slideshow of daytime protests.
After the peaceful rally in Frank Ogawa Plaza, a march headed to the Fruitvale BART station gets interrupted on International Boulevard as police block off the streets. Police and protesters then began a game of cat and mouse in East Oakland where police finally surround protesters on Sixth Avenue and East 17th Street. An estimated 150 protesters were then arrested.
14 thoughts on "Johannes Mehserle sentenced to two years with double credit for time served"
it was the jurys vedict of manslaughter that made things turn out this way↓
tripple nipple
instead the likely hood is that this new evolution of law enforcement has cops no longer thinking; except thinking they are superman that is. Night calm has meaning to a society, that is different then the police who with an increasing presence of military equipment, training and tactics blur the lines between warfare and law enforcement. It used to be that a law enforcement officer would brag I did 32 years and only drew my gun 4 times. Now with the role of swat training, even street officers
draw up to 4 times a day.↓
tripple nipple
A dynamic entry is to law enforcement what the military calls martial law mental conditioning operations. I am not an American terrorist. William Douglas said "we deal with a right of privacy older the the bill of rights ,older then our political parties, older then our school system." This no knock and announce attitude emboldens law enforcement and conditions them to expand their authority where they had none before. Why should we be afraid of local law enforcement. The belief by some that all they are are city sanctioned Revenuers and gang members, is why criminals expect assaults from the police.↓
tripple nipple
The kids don't follow the law. Some of the police don't follow
the law. The people in the community are afraid of all the crime, but the kids aren't going to respect the police when they are operating in the same way the criminals do. The horror of it is this taints all the other officers out there who do good work.''The courts must see the red flags. It's a tremendous problem of supervision and discipline, and it's a microcosm of the whole department. Law enforcement seems to be saying, `We don't need no stink-in' warrants,. `In the guise of this search for homicide suspects, gun shots, loud noises ,you name it, they have become the door-kickers, the illegal searchers, the guys that just don't care, and their commanders don't appear to be particularly fastidious as to how it's all done. Nobody should have the right to suspend all the rules.↓
Does anyone have the text of what the judge said, and if so, could they please post the link here?↓
tripple nipple
" These comments must not be the last word . All Americans can support a mayberry type police force even if if they live in new york city. Our leaders of the past set the table and the blame can be spread around. The question we all must ask ourselves are we that scared , and if the police are so scared of the risk that they have to act like the military then maybe we need to address the educational level of those who are in contact with the public. For the thought process of the criminal mind is such; that training police needs to be well scripted and what better tool then the constitution . The military can afford the ramp up to violence; police on the other hand need to be balanced the days of hard charging, door busting, finger sniffing ,camera watching ,stun gun popping; need to be followed by a less aggressive stance they are not the judge, jury or executioner just societies need to apprehend
those with criminal tendencies, not really a big deal and not worth one innocent life, police,criminal, or bystander. your friend greg↓
tripple nipple
The war drums need to be put away, the super fast dodges need to be taken of the streets, the random road blocks that em-pied commerce need to stop, adrenalin addicted military education needs to be tempered with calm community spirit, we all know the out come when the night calm is broken by guns drawn, stun grenades going bang, and the cop saying to his significant other you should have seen me, "I kicked ass on my neighbors today; instead they must say I represented the constitution and upheld the balanced rule of law, and my blood pressure never went over the legal limit, (at least according to my monitor) and I kept my neighbors strong for I gave them the example of how to keep calm when they felt it all coming apart and I did not even have to draw my gun. these are the words we can hear from our citizens who represent the
community policing doctrine.↓
tripple nipple
If you can not keep your adrenaline checked do not bother to apply for this is for the strong of mind and body and we take the constitution very seriously, for it is a check valve of the greatest importance and protects both law enforcement and the public. With police departments facing budget cuts the sale of all the swat team gear,and all the military accoutrement's ,needs to happen first . We need to bring our police force home the war against the constitution is over.Law enforcement will try to persuade the public that they can do better. We as a society can never relinquish these police controls again. Lets set a standard that has done us justice since our nations birth.↓
Simple question….why was there a need to tase Oscar in the first place? We saw it. He was face down and his arms were not moving…..this was murder………↓
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The mere presence of a private "for profit" driven prison business in our country undermines the U.S Constitution and subsequently the credibility of the American criminal justice system. In fact, until all private prisons in America have been abolished and outlawed, "the promise" of fairness and justice at every level of this country's judicial system will remain unattainable. We must restore the principles and the vacant promise of our judicial system. Our government cannot continue to "job-out" its obligation and neglect its duty to the individuals confined in the correctional and rehabilitation facilities throughout this nation, nor can it ignore the will of the people that it was designed to serve and protect. Please support the National Public Service Council to Abolish Private Prisons (NPSCTAPP) with a show of solidarity by signing "The Single Voice Petition" http://www.petitiononline.com/gufree2/petition.ht…
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"Practicing Humanity Without A License"…↓
We need to teach our children how to act when confronted by police. Listen to simple commands like put your hands where I can see them. Don't make furtive movement like putting your hands in your hoody pockets and dancing around. Right or Wrong, this can and will get you killed.↓
Once released from the sabbatical (also known as 14 months of "prison") for killing the man in cold blood this creature Mehserle will be on the streets. The same streets down which tens of thousands people outraged with the wacco Robert Perry's "sentence" walk.
I wonder if anyone with an IQ higher than his own shoe size would be REALLY surprised if Mehserle ended up undergoing a treatment worse than the one he carried out on Grant by some of those unhappy people out in the streets?
His pic has been circulated widely enough that he would be easily traceable based on his bone structure even if he has a facial plastic surgery — if someone decided that s/he wanted to carry out a personal/social class/racial vendetta on the perpetrator.
Besides, I think the wacco (Robert Perry) and his 12 cronies masquerading as a "jurry" should be immediately sent for indefinite compulsory psychiatric observation in some secluded area.
But I am ashamed that my country, Canada, shares the continent with racist, homophobic, mass murdering underdeveloped southern neighbour.↓


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Gloucester, MA — John C. Wolfe, M.D., 70, husband of Susannah Wolfe, of Gloucester, passed away on Wednesday, May 8, 2013, at his home.
ARRANGEMENTS: Visiting hours to celebrate his life will be held at his residence, 3 Old Salem Road, on Wednesday, May 15, from 4:30 to 7:30 p.m. All are welcome.
A complete obituary will be in a later edition of the Gloucester Daily Times.
Arrangements by the Greely Funeral Home, 212 Washington Street, Gloucester. For online condolences, please visit www.greelyfuneralhome.com.


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Houston Texans
Johnathan Joseph - #24 - CB
|5' 11"/ 189 lbs.
|Rock Hill, SC
|South Carolina
|Years played
|2006, 1st round, 24th pick by Bengals
Texans' Robinson will command top dollar
Texans CB Dunta Robinson will test free agency, likely spelling the end of his career in Houston, but questions linger about whether the top corner available in free agency will be worth the substantial financial package he will command.
Coin flips determine draft order for six teams
Three coin flips were conducted to determine the draft order for six teams Friday at the Combine.
Texans won't keep status quo in backfield
Some changes are likely coming in the Texans' backfield as the team looks to add a running back who'll challenge Steve Slaton.
Texans' McNair gives Kubiak extension, vote of confidence
Texans owner Bob McNair said he thinks the team will have a winner with head coach Gary Kubiak.
Cushing getting rest, focusing on mental aspect of game
Texans SLB Brian Cushing expects to resume football workouts sometime in March, he said at the Super Bowl.
Texans sign Kubiak through 2012
The Texans have awarded head coach Gary Kubiak with a new three-year contract, the Houston Chronicle reported late Tuesday night.
Texans hire Knapp to work with Schaub
The Texans have hired Gregg Knapp as their new QB coach, reuniting him with QB Matt Schaub.
Injuries open door for Schaub to earn Pro Bowl spot
Texans QB Matt Schaub had a suspicion he might be a late addition to the AFC Pro Bowl roster, and to that end, he resumed workouts recently.
Thrown into deep end, Texans' Cushing thrived
Texans SLB Brian Cushing believes that Houston's four-game winning streak to finish the season could have a carryover effect in a 2010 campaign in which expectations will be higher than ever.
Kubiak could go back to Denver roots for new offensive coordinator
With offensive coordinator Kyle Shanahan joining his father, Mike, in Washington, the Texans are looking for a new play-caller.
Belichick: Bad field contributed to Welker's injury
Patriots head coach Bill Belichick said on his weekly radio show with WEEI in Boston that WR Wes Welker's season-ending knee injury was the result of a bad playing surface in Houston.
Texans committed to Kubiak, extend Schaub's contract
According to a report in the Houston Chronicle, Texans owner Bob McNair announced following Houston's 34-27 victory over New England Sunday that Gary Kubiak would return for the fifth and final year of his contract.
Patriots' Welker leaves field with apparent knee injury
Patriots WR Wes Welker appeared to injure his left knee before sustaining contact in the first quarter of the game against the Texans.
Joseph is active for the Houston Texans after missing two games with a hamstring injury.||||||| Joseph's presence should help contain the Patriots' high-powered passing attack.
Texans coach Gary Kubiak says cornerback Johnathan Joseph, linebacker Bradie James and offensive linemen Derek Newton and Antoine Caldwell will miss Sunday's game at Tennessee. All of those players sat out Friday's workout, as did cornerback Alan Ball, who has a sore foot. Kubiak had already ruled out linebacker Brooks Reed, who's sidelined indefinitely with a groin injury.||||||| Joseph (hamstring), Caldwell (hamstring), Newton (right knee) and James (hamstring) have sat out practices all week. Ball will be a game-time decision.
Joseph sat out practice Wednesday with a groin injury.||||||| Texans coach Gary Kubiak said he was optimistic that Joseph would play against the Ravens Sunday.
The Texans have agreed to terms with Joseph.||||||| Houston went 6-10 last season and was desperate to land a top-tier cornerback. It was reportedly a front-runner to land Nnamdi Asomugha. The Texans had the league's worst pass defense in 2010, allowing a league-high 18 receptions covering 40 yards or more. The 27-year-old Joseph is three years younger than Asomugha, and intercepted nine passes in his last two seasons in Cincinnati. The Bengals drafted Joseph out of South Carolina with the 24th overall pick in 2006.
Joseph will miss the rest of the season with a foot injury. The team on Friday placed Joseph on injured reserve, the third defensive starter lost to injury this season after linebacker Keith Rivers and safety Dexter Jackson.||||||| Joseph missed two early games with the injury, but had played in six straight games before aggravating it Sunday against Philadelphia. He didn't play in Thursday night's loss at Pittsburgh.


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Got enough money for college? Most of us would say NO. But don't despair. Financial aid for college is there for the taking--like picking money from a money tree. You'll need a ladder, time, and an "orchard map" to help you make your search most productive.
Step 1. Assess Your Financial Aid Needs
Most families begin the scholarship search process by completing the Free Application for Federal Student Aid (FAFSA). Using the online forms (http://www.fafsa.ed.gov), families enter income and assets and receive a report listing their Expected Family Contribution (EFC). All colleges and universities use the EFC to determine whether federal dollars can be used to support your college bill. More selective institutions may require additional financial information.
Step 2. Find Out What Admitting Colleges Offer
The second largest tuition support comes from the admitting colleges themselves. Colleges will use their own resources to further support students they are hoping to "land." Find out from the college's financial aid office whether admitted students are automatically considered for these funds, or if there are tests or additional applications to file.
Step 3. See If You Qualify for a Corporate Scholarship
Nike, Intel, Prudential, Toyota, Microsoft, Coca Cola are just a few of the companies that give significant scholarships to very few extraordinarily talented students or those with extensive community service experience. But don't count on getting one, unless you can get a recommendation from Kofi Annan or the Dalai Lama.
Step 4. Use Your Affiliations
Contact national and local organizations to which you and your family are connected--many offer funding. Here are some categories to consider:
Step 5. Use Your Community Contacts
Your high school guidance counselor, rabbi, and school librarian are there to assist you. Ask them for help in finding local funders who support the school, synagogue, and/or community.
Step 6. Explore Other Resources
Picking from the money tree takes work and effort. It also takes timing. Like fruit, financial support has to be ripe and in season. Watch for deadlines and strictly adhere to them. Be mindful of specific instructions regarding eligibility. And beware of scholarship services or contests that charge a fee, especially if what they promise sounds too good to be true--it probably is.
Happy picking!
--John B. Boshoven, president of the Michigan Association for College Admission Counseling and a private college consultant


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By DAVE MARTIN
SHIPSHEWANA — Based on the results of a rate study and sustainability analysis of the storm water system in Shipshewana, the Shipshewana Town Council is considering a proposal to double the storm water charge for larger residential lots.
Town Clerk Ruth Ann Downey told council members Thursday that all residential property owners in Shipshewana have been paying $8 per month for quite some time for using the town's storm water drains for water runoff.
The rate study, recently conducted by Financial Solutions Group of Indianapolis, recommends keeping that rate but instituting a second rate for larger properties. Under the proposal, the owners of lots over two acres in size would pay $16 per month.
The council took no action on the proposal Thursday, but Downey urged members to discuss it over the next year.
The council did vote to send a letter of support to LaGrange County for a proposed project to construct an Interra Credit Union at the corner of Ind. 5 and Berkshire Drive. Andrew Cunningham of J.P.R. Engineering of South Bend presented a building site plan Thursday to the council for review.
Landmark Builders of Shipshewana would be the contractor on the project. Cunningham said that if it is approved, groundbreaking will be held around April 1.
The council also directed Town Manager Mike Sutter to continue negotiating a new lease with the Shipshewana Area Historical Society for use of the restored Farver Schoolhouse. The group is in its fourth year of a 10-year lease with the town for the building and is having trouble raising funds to pay rent to the town for the building.
Burdette Norris, member of the historical society, said that the group is proposing that the town grant a one-year lease. In return, the society would take over upkeep of the building. If approved, a one-year lease would buy the group enough time to see how the plan fares. He said that the society hopes that eventually the 10-year lease would be discontinued.
The council directed Downey to gather figures on the cost of hiring a full-time employee at the town hall to be shared with the police department. The town hall's part-time receptionist is resigning at the end of this month.


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The family will receive friends today, June 4, 2014, from 6 until 9 p.m. at Collins-Burke Funeral Home.
Funeral services will be Thursday, June 5, 2014, at 10 a.m. in the Collins-Burke Chapel. Wayne Taylor will officiate.
Burial will be at Walker Memory Gardens.
Seybert was preceded in death by her husband, Robert F. Seybert; parents, James Lloyd Null and Mary Null; brothers, Wayne, Robert (Bobby Joe) and Jim (Leo) Null; daughter, Kimberly Luke; and granddaughter, Karri Blankenship.
She is survived by her sons, Robert D. Seybert and James W. Seybert; daughter, Diane Elaine Seybert; 10 grandchildren; nine great-grandchildren; and one great-great-grandchild.
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La Taberna del Alabardero
- Address:
1776 I Street, NW(Entrance on 18th St.)
Entrance on 18th Street NW
Washington, DC 20006Neighborhood:
- Cuisine:
SpanishPrice: $50 and over
La Taberna del Alabardero
- Dining Style: Fine Dining
- Website: http://www.alabardero.com/
- Phone: 2024292200x
- Hours of Operation:
Lunch: Monday – Friday: 11:30am – 2:30pm; Dinner: Monday – Thursday: 5:30pm – 10:30pm, Friday – Saturday: 5:30pm – 11:00pm, Sunday Lunch 11:30am-2:30pm Dinner 5:30pm-10pm *beginning Sept 16th
- Payment Options: AMEX,Carte Blanche,Diners Club,Discover,JCB,MasterCard,Visa
- Cuisine: Spanish, Latin / Spanish
- Executive Chef: Javier Romero
- Dress Code: Business Casual
- Accepts Walk-Ins: Yes
- Additional Details: Banquet/Private Rooms, Bar Dining, Bar/Lounge, Beer, Delivery, Farm to Table, Full Bar, Happy Hour, Non-Smoking Restaurant, Patio/Outdoor Dining, Personal wines welcome, Personal wines welcome (corkage fee applies), Private Room, Takeout, Weekend Brunch, Wheelchair Access, Wine
- Catering: Providing customized catering tailored specifically for you
- Entertainment: We are excited to announce that we already have our Flamenco Show & Dinner set for Saturday, November 10th & Sunday the11th with dancers direct from Spain.
- Special Events: We are pleased to present on Saturday September 29th the music and words of Carlos Núñez, to celebrate the US release of his new CD, "Discover" as well as the beginning of the artist's US tour.
When: Saturday, September 29th 7pm
Where: Taberna del Alabardero
Cost: $90 per person
A word from La Taberna del Alabardero
The Evolution of Tradition is presented with Executive Chef Javier Romero introducing a new approach to some classic tapas. From old school tapas battling it out to healthy & organic salads, there's something for everyone. Celebrating our 25th Anniversary this 2014 and a young team bringing innovative techniques, we continue to show the best our culture has to offer.Continued
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- Diners' Choice WinnerSpanish
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160 reviews since May 6, 2014
- Food4.2Service4.4
- Ambiance4.3Noise LevelModerate
special occasion (109)fit for foodies (85)romantic (80)great for lunch (58)notable wine list (51)good for groups (36)great for outdoor dining (35)neighborhood gem (26)great for brunch (13)vibrant bar scene (9)hot spot (8)late-night find (7)kid-friendly (7)scenic view (2)Show More
- Always the bestFreespeechDined on 8/27/2014We have another great lunch. Everything was perfect, from the service to the quality of the food. I will always come back.Special Features:I would recommend this to a friend.
- Need to g food back up to par!Julito1VIPDined on 8/26/2014While the food was good it was not well seasoned and the presentation was better than the taste. Slipping!Special Features:I would recommend this to a friend.
- Best Spanish restaurant in townfoodie007VIPDined on 8/22/2014Fantastic Restaurant week menu: 4 tapas each, one paella to share and dessert. Everything was cooked perfectly. The staff couldn't be more attentive. Haven't been to this longstanding restaurant in DC; all the raves are about the other celebrity chefs. This place serves the best Spanish food, that's why they've survived here so long. Try it.I would recommend this to a friend.
- Terrificfoodie007VIPDined on 8/21/2014Went there for Restaurant week. Best menu I've encountered all week. Food cooked perfectly. Service was likewise. Just the best Spanish restaurant in town.Special Features:I would recommend this to a friend.
- OutstandingSomeDudeDined on 8/20/2014Great food, fantastic service, attractive decor, has been great every visit.Special Features:I would recommend this to a friend.
- Like a dreamOpenTable Diner Since 2012VIPDined on 8/19/2014You feel like you have been plucked from downtown DC and placed in Spain. Delish and decadent. They have a vegetarian menu if you ask for it.
- Best paellaKimvaDined on 8/17/2014We went there for DC restaurant week and unfortunately Paella was not included in the menu. So we ordered tapas and paella from the regular menu. It was expensive but it was best paella I have tasted in DC area.Special Features:I would recommend this to a friend.
- Reliable excellenceGordonVIPDined on 8/17/2014Again I express the opinion that the T de A is a world class restaurant. I have been a loyal patron for two decades now. In addition to occasional dining, there are two really great rooms for private dining with guests, both spectaclar, one formal, one intimate.Special Features:
- amertumeDined on 8/16/2014I liked the food here a lot - my friends and I went here for DC Restaurant Week and while the portions were smaller, the meal filled us. The food doesn't seem to have THAT much of a Spanish taste or infusion, but the food was very well made and well seasoned. Presentation was nice, too. Service was attentive and our waiter in particular was charming and responsive. When we were forced to wait about 20 minutes past our reservation time, I think the owner of the restaurant came out to apologize himself and the hostess herself was very courteous. The place is very bougie looking, for lack of better word. Very regal and fancy looking, lighting was ample, though, so you're not just eating in the dark or in lighting that strains your eyes.Special Features:
- birthday dinnerlilliDined on 8/16/2014the decor is very nice, service was ok. There were six in our party and the restaurant wasn't busy. The wine list was good. We expected myriad tapas off the regular menu but found the list rather limited and devoid of vegetables, salads, but there was gazpacho. We ordered meats and cheeses that were nothing special. There was a terribly sweet soft "cheese" that was reminiscent of buttercream frosting. we ordered Paella that was anything but paella. At best it was "dirty rice" from a box mix with three or four pieces of overcooked shrimp a scallop no detected sausage, chorizo or chicken and scant vegetables - no taste, not even salt and definitely no saffron. the food was poor quality and poorly prepared. not recommended for anything.
- Nothing spectacularFefeDined on 8/16/2014I thought the Restuarant was very avg but the service above average. The waiters made you feel upscale and were very attentive to your needs. If my glass was empty the wine would flow (we purchased a bottle that they kept on ice near by) the plates were removed when needed. The food was good not great. I don't have anything bad to say. Bathrooms were outdated as far as style but VERY CLEAN.Special Features:I would recommend this to a friend.
- trying out new place, not returninglinasDined on 8/16/2014Went there for restaurant week lunch to try a new local spot for me. In the end it's all about food, and this was bad. Every dish ordered came out very fast and either cold or barely warm. The mushroom appetizer was soaking in cold sauce, and the pasta was the same. Steak wasn't juicy or crispy, just watery - not even sure how they did it. Fish was completely soaked on water. Creme brulé for dessert, had been overdone, and was hard to crack, as the top layer was as hard as glass. Oh well, we tried..Special Features:
- AuthenticSpaniardsoulDined on 8/15/2014The most authentic Spanish food you can find in DC. The rich red walls and traditional old Spanish decor transports you across the ocean and to a different era but the food is true the current culture. It's absolutely my favorite place!Special Features:I would recommend this to a friend.
- great service + dishes, bad decorchampangetasteDined on 8/15/2014We went for dinner during Restaurant Week before going to a show. Our waiter spoke perfect Spanish and was attentive but not intrusive. The dishes were authentic and reminded me of home. However, the decor also reminded me of home...my grandmother's old flat. The paintings of toreadors, carved wood, heavy chandeliers and blood fed velvet sprayed everywhere ...it was dreadful. And the looped recording of Flemenco singing was almost funny it was so cliche. Upscale restaurants in Spain do not look like this, even traditional ones. LTA needs to redecorate soon.Special Features:I would recommend this to a friend.
- Not a restaurant for vegetariansSautemoutonDined on 8/15/2014Wonderful atmosphere, good service but horrible vegetarian food. They have a special menu for vegetarians so by that fact they admit they can cook vegetarian. However, the courses I choose were absolutely horrible. The food had no favor. My husband had non-vegetarian food and it was good. Very disappointing. To the restuarant's credit, when they asked how I liked it and I told them, they did not charge me for my meal. That was very good business move and we will return and next time, I will try non-vegetarian.
- excellentBruceDined on 8/14/2014once again, Taberna del Alabardero was excellent in all respectsSpecial Features:
- DisappointmentSSPZ214VIPDined on 8/13/2014Their restaurant week menu was embarrassing. The food that we had on our visit was cheap and poorly prepared. I had the mac & cheese surf & turf to start, which was basically wheat pasta with frozen shrimp and no sauce. She had the mushroom dish, which appeared to be canned mushrooms in too much sauce. The entrees were the real disappointment. I ordered the pork loin and when it arrived, I felt like I'd been pranked. First, it was three thin slices of stacked & overcooked pork. But, the real kicker was that it was served with a topping of what appeared to be Lays potato chips. She had the salmon, which was $3 extra to eat an overcooked cut of fish. For dessert, the rice pudding was EXTREMELY watery. We just left it. Very amateur.Special Features:
- Incredible FoodhungryVIPDined on 8/13/2014This restaurant is consistently a great place to dine! The service is impeccable and the food is always interesting and flavorful with a perfect presentation. The restaurant has a great atmosphere and everything lends to being very authentic.Special Features:
- A popular placeOpenTable Diner Since 2012Dined on 8/13/2014This place is located on the outer edge of my weekday "lunching grounds". I had passed by it many times on my way to the IMF and always made a note to try it sometime. I finally took the time and took my wife. I regret that I had not done this sooner. You know you have found a great ethnic restaurant when many of the patrons are clearly from that locale. Large groups of Spanish-speaking people populated Taberna the lunchtime we went. A definite indicator. The meal was exquisite with considerable attention to detail and presentation. Each was a complex blend of distinct tastes that challenges every palette. Warning; the sauces are so rich I believe it is best to have a glass of wine.Special Features:I would recommend this to a friend.
- Excellent!!lovegoodfoodDined on 8/13/2014This was my first time at the Restaurant and I definatly love it. The food was delicious and the service excellent!!! Thumbs up.Special Features:
- First timer who will return!OpenTable Diner Since 2014Dined on 8/13/2014From start to finish my colleagues and I enjoyed our time at this restaurant. Not only did the restaurant accommodate us comfortably in their group room but the service was throughout was wonderful. We were welcomed by the staff and treated with respect. The food was beautiful in both appearance and richness of taste. I had passed this place many times but decided to try it for restaurant week. I will definitely return!Special Features:I would recommend this to a friend.
- Good restaurant.NadiaDined on 8/13/2014It was the restaurant week. Good menu and good service.Special Features:I would recommend this to a friend.
- Very Romantic and ExpensiveRahpatchVIPDined on 8/12/2014Perfect restaurant for restaurant week. The very expensive menu is actually worth it for RW prices. Great find as a foodie. This was my first time. Waiter kinda rushed us but food was so great.Special Features:I would recommend this to a friend.
- Excelent!MBE1983Dined on 8/11/2014We celebrated our anniversary dining at La Taberna del Alabardero. It was Restaurant Week and the menu was extensive, with plenty of options. I ordered the gazpacho, the merluza and the crema catalana. Everything was delicious and the service was outstanding, just what you would expect from a place like this. Perfect for special occasions.Special Features:I would recommend this to a friend.
- dineandwineDined on 8/11/2014My husband and I have been going to Taberna for the last 3 years and it never fails me. We entertain friends and we come here at least twice a month. Food, wine, the people are all very friendly. Everything is just superb. I hope it continues at this levelSpecial Features:I would recommend this to a friend.
- Cheers to 25 years of success!DCFoodieVIPDined on 8/11/2014I was completely blown away at the high level of service & the quality of the dishes. The portions were just right. I enjoyed my dining experience so much, I'll go back for the extended restaurant week when they serve tapas! I recommend this place to anyone wanting good food when they're in downtown DC. You will not be disappointed.Special Features:
- Delicious!Fiamma11Dined on 8/11/2014The food was delicious and fun. The service was among the best I have encountered. A true gem!Special Features:
- Outstanding serviceTravelerDined on 8/9/2014The service is outstanding. Food is just fair. This restaurant is good for special occasion.Special Features:
- Best of the Best in DC!QueenBeeBuzzDined on 8/8/2014We were thrilled with our lovely experience at La Taberna del Alabardero! What a find! They treated us like gold and the food was delicious! The restaurant is gorgeous and the whole night was magical. Thanks to Javier and the staff for night of perfection!Special Features:I would recommend this to a friend.
- Elgordo01Dined on 8/5/2014Very good food and wonderful ambience. Fantastic service!Special Features:
- Wish it were better!eddieVIPDined on 8/2/2014An uneven dining experience with some great dishes such as the Croquetas and the Razor Clams. There was a fine dish that could have been warmer, the Piquillo Relleno. The entries were an okay Monkfish and an unhappily dry Grouper. The desserts were enjoyable (the Flan) to just okay (the tiramisu). The vino was very good! Service is hard to pin down. There was a wait for the appetizers but the wine was always poured on time. We hope to go back but we are not committed. Parking is free in the next door garage which is a blessing in the neighborhood. We wish we could say more though we are sorry that we didn't try the Iberian ham. We give it a less than enthusiastic recommendation.Special Features:I would recommend this to a friend.
- Lovely but priceyAndreaKVIPDined on 8/2/2014This is a lovely restaurant for special occasions. The food and service are wonderful but the prices are extremely high. Expect to pay $100 per person before taxes and gratuities. The portions are also on the nouvelle side.Special Features:I would recommend this to a friend.
- Excellent paellaKikaDined on 7/31/2014I brought a group of friends from work. We had the paella Valenciana. It was excellent.Special Features:
- GordonGordonVIPDined on 7/24/2014Again, in my personal view, having dined in excellent restaurants in the US, Canada, Europe, Mexico, South America, the Caribbean, and the Far East, I hold to the view that this is the best restaurant, all things considered, that I have ever been to. I have been a patron for as long as the Taberna came to Washington, DC, and I have never been disappointed. My guests are always awed.Special Features:I would recommend this to a friend.
- Best Spanish restaurant in DCAndrewVIPDined on 7/23/2014Taberna del Alabardero is celebrating its 25th annivesary in Washington and still going strong! Always a pleasure to dine in its elegant rooms, eat and drink its delicious food and wines, and be served by its professional staff.Special Features:
- Stick to what doesn't work?sambVIPDined on 7/22/2014I'll admit it was a mistake picking this restaurant for my team lunch. They don't have a lunch menu, so entrees start at $25 and go up from there. Or, you can order the "Executive Lunch" for $60. The three of us ordered Saefood Paella. I'll also admit to being an ugly American and probably not knowing what good paella at a Spanish restaurant is like. Is it swimming in cops of oil, and completely soggy? For $25, do you get just four small pieces of seafood? If so, then their paella was on the mark. None of us finished our lunches. Frankly, it was gross. On the plus side, the bread was good, and we got free olives.
- Underwhelmed this timeOpenTable Diner Since 2013Dined on 7/17/2014My previous meal (restaurant week) was terrific. This time great salad and mediocre paella...
- Slightly disappointingDiscerningdcdinerDined on 7/17/2014A friend and I went to lunch to take advantage of Taberna's paella promotion, but the paella we were served wasn't the one we ordered. It was good, just not the one we asked for.Special Features:I would recommend this to a friend.
- OpenTable Diner Since 2010VIPDined on 7/16/2014The food and service was excellent. The wine we ordered was not available but the wine steward offered an alternative that they had just received that was not on the menu. It was excellent and paired very well with the food that we ordered.
- Close To Authentic SpanishLaneBVIPDined on 7/15/2014The food here incorporates unusual ingredients and preparations in creating a Spanish food experience that is hard to find. A great selection of share-able appetizers complements a good selection of entree's and of course paella. We had the fish paella with langoustines which was delicious. The wine list offers a great selection of Spanish wines at all price points. The service is great and ambiance appealing.Special Features:


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November 17, 2012
Raleigh, NC-The Salem College basketball team lost their season opener to Washington College, 69-56, in the 1st round of the Jackie Ammons Tournament at William Peace. The Spirits, who only have a couple returners, played a tight game with Washington up until the end of the 2nd half. Satavia Taylor (Chicago, IL) led the Spirits with 14 points and 6 steals. The Spirits are now 0-1.
The 1st 10 minutes of the game were evenly played and very defensive with the teams playing to a 10-10 tie. Salem held a 17-15 advantage at the 5:41 mark, before Washington went on a 15-5 run to close out the half.
Salem came out on fire in the 2nd half and went on a 13-3 run to start the half. Washington proved to be too much to close out the game.
Jasmine Shabazz (Buffalo, NY) added 12 points and 5 rebounds. Shamaz Denerson (Atlanta, GA) led the Spirits with 6 rebounds and added 8 points, while Bria Patterson (Winterhaven, FL) also had 8 points.
Kelly Mitchell had a game-high 15 points for Washington. Salem will play again today in the 3rd-place game against Hollins University at 2:00. Hollins lost a 68-58 game to William Peace last night to open their season.


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