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Red Rock Rêve - Red Rock Brewing Company
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Reviews by portia99:
4.03/5 rDev -1%
750ml corked and caged bottle (bottle #1172) received from Wasatch in a trade. Thanks John! Poured into a Duvel tulip. My 100th review. Glad to have a chance to try this one.
A - Bottle opens with a nice, solid pop. Pours a pale yellow gold color with a giant 4 fingers of white head. There is a nice, yeasty haze throughout. Head is on the loose side and fades quickly with a lot of rice krispy like snap, crackle, pop activity of popping bubbles. Eventually settles to a densely packed 1/4" on the surface...some minimal lacing on the sides of the glass.
S - Aroma is quite interesting. A underlying Belgian funk, bubblegum, cloves and earthy hops. A woodiness, some yeast and some acidity (maybe a bit lemony) appear as well.
T - Good combination of flavors. A little bit of tartness hits first, followed by the Belgian funk - bubble gum and cloves, some nice citrusy aspects - lemons, oranges. Alcohol presence is definitely detectable too. Hop bitterness level is low, but just enough to even things out.
M - Very full bodied and thick. Lots of carbonation...makes for a very lively beer and enhances the fullness in body.
D - Pretty potent at 9.0%, but quite smooth. Alcohol definitely limits the drinkability, but it is quite a nice tripel. Seems like this would be great with food...good cheese too.
09-27-2009 23:16:07 | More by portia99
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3.23/5 rDev -20.6%
From BeerAdvocate Magazine Volume II, Issue III:
A Belgian Tripel aged in French oak casks from RedRock's Private Reserve series.
Golden in color with good clarity and a brief white lacing. Green apples, pears, fleshy fruits in the aroma, with a stick of gum in the background and a faint peppery alcohol. Smooth at first, but bitty beneath. Medium-bodied, but well-rounded and chewy in spots. Sweet. Shortbread and golden cake batter. Tropical fruits, like mango and papaya, with a tangy green raisin. Bready. Yeasty. Some green banana and gum. Alcohol is clean, warming in the back and with mild ester. Feigned dryness from the oak, with smackings of white wine around the edges.
An interesting twist, but just a decent stab at the style. It could be closer to the mark if it was drier. The oak definitely helped this beer, putting that plus on our C score.
11-24-2009 02:36:57 | More by BeerAdvocate
4.5/5 rDev +10.6%
09-07-2012 17:34:49 | More by joshnovaski
4.35/5 rDev +6.9%
750 Bottle #1178 received as a nice surprise from Wasatch!! Huge thanks John! First and possibly the only bottle of the night... Thankfully the refrigerator and Wastach helped out a bit... Poured into my Chimay goblet.
2 Finger head pokes over the top of the glass... drops slowly leaving a 1/2" sheet of lace around the glass... the brew is hazy golden.
Nose is spicy and fruity.. and mildly tannic.. white peppercorns with some white peach juice... and some oakiness that reminds me of grape skins... Grassy hoppiness (I guess)... some sort of grassiness is there for sure.. and so is a little bit of citrus essence as it warms up a bit.
The palate is honestly really surprisingly complex.. soft pale malts with quite a bit of fruity notes.. above peachiness is in the front.. with some lite pear and tannic grapey elements.. apple skins??!! not much in the way of hops in the flavor.. some herby/grassyiness may be there, or I could be imagining things... mild pepper from front to back.. finish has some essence of a misplaced tropical fruit.. dry AND fruity.
The only thing that I get from the barrel aging on this one is some dry tannic woodiness and maybe some tannins from the wine.. that said.. this is a pretty damn good beer.. the body is light for sure given the ABV.. and the carbonation is abundant, yet very creamy small bubble... and actually never burpy.. drinkability may take a hit.. only because now that it's open, I don't know that I want a full 750... but I will give it the old BA try. :-)
John.. thanks for the surprise! I was gonna hit you up soon for another trade... consider this one #7!!
03-18-2009 08:42:13 | More by JohnGalt1
3.53/5 rDev -13.3%
Thanks to Wasatch for this one!
750 ml - Bottle # 1176, poured into tulip glass:
Pours hazed light golden with a thick, tight-bubbled foamy head. Effervescent bubbles rise up the side of the glass. Uneven lacing sticks.
The smell is of apricot, bread/yeast, over-ripe banana, green apple, black pepper, with grassy spicing. There's a touch of alcohol and white wine and wood. Interesting. Different.
The taste is of an initial sweetness offset by a bready dryness. It has a strong black pepper spiciness. It has a white wine character, as well, with some green apple and a touch of lemon.
Fizzy carbonation gives a foamy texture, though it relaxes as it progresses.
Mixed with the sweetness, bread, and spicy pepper is a dry white wine character. A "different" example of the style.
03-25-2009 03:38:24 | More by jwc215
4.43/5 rDev +8.8%
Thanks John!
Enjoyed this bad boy at a tasting this weekend.
Corked and caged 750ml bottle; poured into a large cognac snifter. Got a dark copper color with a bright, medium head.
In the nose I got a goodly amount citrus, definitely some granny smith apple notes in there. Not overpowering though, just enough to get you enticed into taking the first sip.
Taste-wise, I get the oak-aging immediately. Once again, not overpowering but very comfortable, taking the first sip gets you ready to enjoy several more. Get some of the citrus notes in the back palate . . . bosc pear and a mild date flavor too.
Mouthfeel & Drinkability are way up there. This isn't a session beer by any means, but I tend to be a tough critic of triples and belgian strongs (just personal taste). Not all yeast strains tend to jive well with me, but everything about this beer did. Absolutely loved it from nose to back palate.
09-29-2009 05:19:33 | More by Maltzilla
4.38/5 rDev +7.6%
Big thanks to Wasatch for this one. Great trader and great guy!
22 oz corked, caged, and numbered bottle (#1179). Resounding pop from the cork and a loud fizz. I was worried I might have a gusher, but everything stayed where it was supposed to. Poured into a Boulevard Smokestack goblet. Very fast and sparkling off white head. Quickly recedes but leaves specks floating on the surface and around the edge. Very active carbonation. Color is hazy apricot. I would compare it to an unfiltered wheat.
Smell is very dry. Dried apples, green apple skins, white oak, coriander. Taste is also very dry and crisp. A little green grass, wild flowers, Chardonnay oak barrels, parsley, and apples.
Mouthfeel is very dry and crisp. The carbonation is scrubbing and clean. ABV is hidden in the crispness. What a gem!
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03-13-2009 02:26:12 | More by bort11
4.1/5 rDev +0.7%
Amber color in the chalice. Lovely foam and the lacing swirls up anew with each sip. Sudsy mouthfeel.
Tart with a delightful fruity sweetness. The Brett flavor is sensational with just enough funk, but the yeasty bitterness is fairly modest. Deeply fruity with a light taste of candied pineapple, but it's not overly sweet. This is more like a high octane Saison, but the alcohol is not much in evidence. Aroma is like a distillation of Belgian flavors. Another interesting brew in the broad range of the Tripel style, or at least something like it that makes for a bold experience.
From the 750 ml bottle at the downtown Salt Lake brewpub.
12-23-2012 06:12:10 | More by mactrail
5/5 rDev +22.9%
2009 Edition
750ml Bottle
Bottle 896
Review: 5 Mar 2011
Been sitting on this bottle for alittle over 2 years.
Poured into a chalice a nice clean/clear golden orange color, very nice carbonation, nice foamy two-finger white head, which disapates quickly, some nice oil slicks and sticky lacing follows. The nose is malty, yeasty, nice touch of French Oak Casks, spices, and caramel. The taste is slightly sweet, malty/yeasty, FOC is nicely toned in, some spices/caramel. The alcohol is hidden very well. Medium body. Very drinkable, this is a very tasty Tripel, very true to style.
2009 Edition
750ml Bottle
Bottle 1167
This is a limited brew from Red Rock, there was only a few cases made available to outside of the brewpub. As of today (24 Mar 09) they are gone, the only way to get this brew is to have it at Red Rock with a meal.
Poured into a tulip a nice clean/clear golden orange color, nice carbonation, nice creamy off-white head, some nice oil slicks and sticky lacing follows. The nose is malty, yeast, nice touch of French Oak Casks, spices, and caramel. The taste is slightly sweet, malty/yeasty, FOC is nicely toned in, some spices/caramel. The alcohol is hidden very well. Medium body. Very drinkable, this is a very tasty Tripel, very true to style.
2008 Edition
750ml Bottle
Bottle 690
2007 GABF Silver Medal Winner
This is a Barrel-Aged Tripel
Poured into a tulip a nice clean/clear golden orange color, nice carbonation, nice creamy off-white head, some nice oil slicks and sticky lacing follows. The nose is malty, yeast, nice touch of French Oak Casks, spices, and caramel. The taste is slightly sweet, malty/yeasty, FOC is nicely toned in, some spices/caramel. The alcohol is hidden very well, not really sure of the ABV, since it is not on the bottle, but I figure in the 9-10 ABV range. Medium body. Very drinkable, this is a very tasty Tripel, very true to style. Would not expect this from Red Rocks (Utah), but it is a fine example. Highly Recommended. 80 Bottles left as of this date.
02-04-2008 22:27:43 | More by Wasatch
North Carolina
4.18/5 rDev +2.7%
Appearance: Pours a cloudy honey color with a big head that gets rather rocky and leaves nice patterns of lace
Smell: Fruity, with pear, green apples and a hint of bubblegum; also, yeasty, with a vague hint of wild yeast that is likely to develop further with age
Taste: Opens with a doughy flavor that is quickly joined by a range of interesting fruit; there is the pear and green apple from the aroma, but also some tropical fruit, such as passion fruit, lychee and star fruit; underneath the fruit is a developing sourness that comes to the fore after the swallow and balances through the aftertaste, that features a dry, woody finish
Mouthfeel: Medium to full body with spritzy carbonation
Drinkability: A beer to contemplate rather than quaff; a nice twist between a trippel and an American Wild
Thanks, Wasatch, for the opportunity
05-25-2009 00:35:51 | More by brentk56
4.3/5 rDev +5.7%
I got this one from Wasatch, thanks for the beer John.
A hazy, slightly cloudy, orangey-yellow body with a big, active head that kind of reminds me of champagne. Pretty good retention, but only a few spots of lacing stay behind.
The aroma has a good bit of toasted malt and candied sugar, but also some apple and pear fruitiness that comes with some tartness.
Toasted malt is the first thing I notice. Next comes a good amount of fruit characteristics, of which apple, pear and maybe a little bit of white grape are the star. Along with the fruit comes a nice, crisp, tartness. I wouldn't call it sour or powerful, tart is the correct word for the taste, but what is there is very refreshing and well done. Candied sugar comes through next, and makes up the middle of the brew. The finish is full of oak, which is woody, spicy and dry. A very interesting beer that I certainly enjoyed; I'm rating the flavor a 4, but I would say that it's somewhere between 4 and 4.5.
I think the mouthfeel is great. Medium bodied with a ton of carbonation that reminds me of a less powerful-feeling champagne. Maybe like a good saison.
A really drinkable beer. I didn't notice any trappings of alcohol despite the 9% ABV.
08-04-2009 03:44:44 | More by Hojaminbag
3.98/5 rDev -2.2%
Caged and corker, bottle #1145, if I recall correctly, poured into a snifter. Purchased for $15 at the downtown Red Rock.
A: Pours a murky golden / orange color with an inch of fluffy white head that recedes quickly into a film on the glass. Leaves washes of lacing when I take a swig. Fine, almost-champagne like effervescence keeps the film lively.
S: Indian mango -- I am very specific about this because it does not smell like American mangos -- along with a dose of lemon and orange citrus, a light sour apple aroma, a little bit of grain. Caramel, pilsner, and bready malt. Very rich and deep aroma.
T: Mostly follows the nose. The strongest flavor is a tart citrus tang in orange and lemon components. The mid-taste sees these flavors recede in favor of caramel, pilsner, and bready malt with cloves and pepper stinging the tongue. The finish is a mix of sour apple and some candied dark fruits (plums?). The strong mango smell never makes its way into the taste, and I can't figure out why. I had my girlfriend smell it and she agreed the aroma was a dead ringer for aamras (mango pulp). Maddening.
M: Thick and chewy, with fine carbonation. It's slightly overcarbonated, but not in any sort of deal-breaking fashion. A little bit of alcohol warmth at the end of a sip reminds you it's a 10.3%-er. A sweet and nearly crisp finish.
D: Just the one bomber was enough for a sitting. I'd consider having a second at a later occasion if I were a local, but the $15 price is a bit steep for me.
03-16-2009 06:23:52 | More by Arbitrator
4.05/5 rDev -0.5%
Another Utah bottle from Wasatch.
Pours a light bubbly golden amber with a frothy white head that recedes to a thin creamy cap, leaving no lacing.
Aroma is a mixture of light sweet fruits - pears and green apples - and the spicy oak character. Light pale malts and a hint of lemon zest as well.
The taste seems to have a more tart character than the aroma with the tart apples really coming out with a touch of hay and spices. The sweet malt backbone is there but light and the finish is oaky.
The mouthfeel is light bodied and very effervescent. The finish is dry and almost white wine-like.
A very drinkable tripel where the oak adds a layer of complexity and gives the beer a more vinous character. Tasty.
06-12-2010 02:23:33 | More by gford217
3.9/5 rDev -4.2%
Thanks to Wasatch for this one!
A - pours a cloudy orange with big whispy white foam that bubbled down to a 1/2 inch that stuck around.
S - Funky yeasty aroma with lemon zest, lots of corriander and hints of pepper
T - pale malt sweetness to start ending with a bready dryness, citrusy flavor of orange, lemon, grapefruit & grapes with just a bit of funkiness. This one has so much flavor and layers that its hard to describe.
M/D - Good carbonation and mouthfeel, light and crisp and it hides the alcohol well.
I would love to have this more often, definitely one of the more interesting brews i've had in a while.
06-18-2009 16:08:57 | More by mikereaser
4.25/5 rDev +4.4%
A 750ml corked/caged brown bottle, sent a couple months back by Utah's Beer-iest, Wasatch. Vibrant crimson label, trimmed in sunshine yellow; hand-numbered Bottle #200. Poured to a 'La Chouffe' tulip glass.
"Belgian Style Ale - Aged in French Oak Casks"
A: (Almost) crystal clear honey-golden, showcasing a bounty of tiny carbonation - a champagne-like effervescence. Lofty head, a fluffy/fizzy whiteness that billows up the narrowed neck, topping out at 3-fingers. Foamy patches of lace glisten as they hold tight to the glass.
S: Smells like a tripel...a good Belgian one. Toasty malt, sweet and full of honey, ripe melon, wheatgrass, spice. The vinous, mildly grape-like aroma develops as it warms.
T: What starts as a typically sweet, malt-driven golden ale/tripel turns to a curious vanilla- and grape-filled surprise. Sure there's plenty of apple, pear, and peppery-dry spice, but the 'barrel' really shines here. Woody/vinous flavors yield less than subtle hints at cherry-lime sweet-tartness. Apple and vanilla grow the warmer it gets. Pretty interesting, differing from a traditional Belgian of the ilk I've had before, but very, VERY likable all the same.
M: Some definite alcohol warmth, medium body and surprisingly mild in carbonation, despite the bounty seen in the glass.
D: Man, I'm very glad to get a chance at this one, a nice tripel with the added bonus of cask-aging. Warms nicely, a sipper and a pleasure to drink. Would have never had the chance to try without John's proselytizing, so a hearty 'thank you' is due. Absolutely worth a try if you have the chance.
07-22-2009 04:45:31 | More by msubulldog25
Rhode Island
3.73/5 rDev -8.4%
got this in trade
A cloudy dark amber/yellow beer. Starts with a big bright white head.There is a nice light fruity (apple) aroma with a spicey/peppery background. A snap of apple sweetness on the front of the tongue and spicey cinnamon and pepper hints in the middle.The finish is lightly sour and dry.
thanks john this was tasty
07-01-2009 23:09:45 | More by ybnorml
3.95/5 rDev -2.9%
750 ml corked and caged bottle brought to the SeaO'Floydster tasting by Carlos, thanks for bringing this at the last minute buddy, bottle #254, reviewed from notes, poured into my Rader snifter
A-Light golden yellow color with some orange tint, 3/4 inch somewhat creamy white head, no lacing, decent legs though
S-Wild yeast, brown sugar, plums, prunes, dates, cherries, sweet candy, funkiness, and caramel
T-Sweet at first, lots of malt in the middle, finish is slightly tart but there is a big citrus presence, wish it would have been more acidic, more fruit and caramel comes out as it warms, complex and odd at times, dry in the finish
M-Sweet, chewy, and sugary mouthfeel, medium bodied, above average carbonation for its style, taste lingered quite a bit
D-Could not have drank a whole lot of this but the alcohol was hidden well, just too sweet at times, slightly bitter finish makes this more drinkable than it would be
I had never heard about this beer before night and it was a nice surprise for the tasting, a triple that spent two years in port casks just sounds interesting and it definitely was, I would want to try this again in the future, recommended
04-02-2009 01:53:53 | More by Floydster
4.38/5 rDev +7.6%
So, I was lucky enough to be able to hit this up on my two trips to the Red Rock brewpub. This doesn't seem to be available in stores - I asked, as I really wanted to take one or two home. Had it twice....first bottle was #1600-something, the second was in the 600s.
A - Corked and caged 750. Poured into a snifter a cloudy golden typical of a tripel. Waiter on both occasions treated it with reverence, and once, the manager/owner/brewmaster? came by to ask how we liked it. Decent head. This year's version is 10.3 (10.5?)% ABV, apparently.
S - Quite good...a supermassive hit of green apple and pear.
T - At first sip, a bit like an Orval, with the leathery Brett dryness. Then the oak chardonnay casks kick in their flavor, contributing a slightly tart green apple - you can really tell these are white wine casks. Candi sugar sweetness hinted at but never really gets anywhere.
F - Feel is dead-on, it gets the light, airy Belgian feel near perfectly.
D - One 750ml bottle will definitely do you. An accomplished brew from Red Rock, I wish I could get more. A must-try for any BA who is lucky enough to be in Utah while this is available. Not just "good, for Utah," this stands on its own with any of the barrel-aged tripels out there. Not that there are that many, mind you.
Reve so impressed and consumed me, I did not bother to try any of the other Red Rock beers. That's OK, I've had them in prior years. If you are at Red Rock and Reve is available, take advantage by all means. If I had something worth trading Wasatch for more, I'd be all over it.
02-23-2009 15:25:40 | More by Patrick999
4.3/5 rDev +5.7%
I got this bottle in a trade with Wasatch. Thanks John!
This is a 750ML caged and corked bottle(no. 1177)ooh...time to hit Vegas, lol!
It pours, after a huge pop, a hazy yellow orange with easy a 3 finger head of foam. There's some very nice lacing and the foam doesn't look like it's going anywhere soon.
The smell has notes of yeast, bready malt, some spices like corriander and pepper, and pretty big lemon zest. Interesting nose if maybe a bit too complicated.
The taste starts off with big doses of lemon tartness and yeast, some candy sugar sweetness, light pepper, some bread, and some fruitiness that smacks of peaches. There are a lot of flavours here so getting bored is not an option.;^) There's not much sign of the abv except some warming long after the swallow.
The mouthfeel is just below what I'd call medium and the carbonation is very lively; my tongue literally tingles after every sip. I'd say cut down on the carbo just a wee bit.
Drinkability? Well hidden alcohol and interesting flavour throughout the session...I'd say it is very good. I wonder what this would be like with some age on it. As it is, it's a fine drop and yes, the foam just won't quit. Great job, RedRock!
04-28-2009 23:32:46 | More by Bitterbill
4.15/5 rDev +2%
excellent! this bubbly golden wine glass of heaven has a white head an inch tall and a nose of brett, fruity yeast, engligh pale malts, and wood. flavor is amazingly complex. sour hit up front instead of on the back end, which is unique. plenty of fruity flavors, but no sweetness really, despite the ingredient list. the candy sugar really only adds depth of flavor, not much sweetness. feel is lovely. very brightly carbonated and spot on medium body. after hearing all ive heard about utah, i was surprised and impressed that such a brew was made there. i enjoyed this one at log haven restaurant up mill creek canyon road out of salt lake. it paired magically with a rare elk steak, smoked blue mashed tatys, and sauteed hen of the woods mushrooms. an amazing beer with an amazing feed. id suggest this highly to anyone, unique and delicious, if a bit pricey at over 20 bucks per bottle.
04-18-2012 01:27:14 | More by StonedTrippin
2.83/5 rDev -30.5%
Bottle 1173. Got this from Wasatch ages ago, and promised I'd review it. Here goes!
A - Owwww. Whoever twisted the cage on this did it like, 100 times. Owwww. Opens with NO pop. Has a piss-foam head that dissipates quickly. God I hope there's carbonation in here. Pale golden color, no real head, no real carbonation, hazy. Not much of a winner in the looks dept.
S - It smells absolutely fine... nice dry oak notes, yeast, no booze. Belgian candied sugar. Just smells like a "oak aged tripel" to me. Definite fruity undertones.
T - Sweet. Sweeet. I must have gotten a bad bottle, because it's grossly undercarbonated.. I'll save that for the mouthfeel tho. It tastes fruity, and sweet, yets still finishes slightly dry (due to the barrels I'd imagine). Some booze, a lot of residual sugars, and a random hint of tartness and/or fusels show up on some sips.
M - I'm aware that this is probably not how the beer was supposed to turn out, but being that it's my only bottle of it, I'm just gonna go with it. This beer is SEVERELY undercarbonated, which hinders every other aspect of it. It can't hold a decent head, it tastes bad because I don't think there was enough yeast to eat the sugar, blah blah... I believe it's the root of the problem here.
D - I'm gonna try to get through this glass, but it's not gonna be a very enjoyable experience.
Notes: Looked forward to this one for a while and I'm pretty let down. Wish I knew of any other bad bottles.
01-10-2010 21:28:44 | More by SaucyA
4.08/5 rDev +0.2%
Thanks to Wasatch for trading me this rarity. I took this to the SeaofFloydster Tasting on March 28th. Bottle #254
Poured an attractive golden color with a ½ inch of egg shell colored foam. This beer presented some great retention and lacing on the glass.
The aroma was spicy, yeasty, a bit of a plastic aroma in the background, white pepper, banana, and light citrus (mostly lemon). Also notes of Belgian candy sugar and pale malt sweetness.
Tasted similar to the aroma, yeastiness upfront with banana, clove, and sweet pilsner malt. Very solid tripel but didn't get too much barrel character, much less brett...maybe it just needs to condition a bit longer in the bottle.
Soft, low carbonation which worked really well with the beer. Quite easy to drink and wouldn't mind having this again to be able to pay a little more attention to the subtleties that are present in this style.
03-31-2009 04:42:43 | More by seaoflament
Red Rock Rêve from Red Rock Brewing Company
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Sarah Wojnicki is a recent alumna of Elmhurst College where she earned a Bachelor of Arts degree in English. Sarah is from a small town in Illinois and is excited to move to the Grand Rapids area. While completing her undergrad she was highly involved in new student Orientation, Greek Life, and Relay for Life. She is now pursuing her M.Ed in College Student Affairs Leadership at GVSU. Sarah is excited to be able to become a part of the Student Life team and can't wait to plan and facilitate programs to help Grand Valley students become stronger leaders and thoughtful community members.
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Kate Thome
Graduate Assistant - Leadership & Service Initiatives
Kate Thome joined the Office of Student Life staff in August 2013. She earned her undergraduate degree in English with a minor in Elementary Education from GVSU and is excited to be a Laker for a second time! Kate worked in K-12 education for several years, as a classroom teacher and youth program coordinator, before returning to Grand Valley to pursue her M.Ed in College Student Affairs Leadership. In her free time, Kate enjoys spending time with family and friends, shopping, and being crafty! Whether it is running, yoga, camping, or going to the beach, she loves to be outdoors in our beautiful mitten state. Kate is looking forward to exploring new opportunities at Grand Valley and working with students to support service-learning and leadership programs!
Maria Beelen
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Sherri Anderson
Sherri is a senior majoring in hospitality and tourism management with an double emphasis in planning and event management and travel and tourism. After graduation, she plans to move to New York and pursue a career planning marketing and promotional events for new products. Her dream is to plan New York Fashion Week and she wants to get involved with the fashion industry as well in New York. On campus, Sherri is the co-president of the Fashion Club and a member of Sigma Alpha Lambda, HTM Club, and PCMA. She enjoys hanging out with family and friends, trying out crafts she finds on Pinterest, painting her nails, living in Grand Rapids, shopping at the Farmers Market, and volunteering! Sherri is jazzed to be a part of the Leadership and Service Team this year and cannot wait to meet you!
Sara Bartles
Sara is an International Relations major with a minor in Non-Profit Administration Management. She initially wanted to work over seas with the Red Cross, but has recently taken an interest in Student Life and Development. Sara hopes to eventually get a Masters in Higher Education, with a focus on Student Leadership and Development. She is very active on campus; Sara works as a resident assistant and is a manager at Kleiner. She is very excited to start this internship, since it will give her a glimpse into working in Student Life and Higher Education.
Ellyn Goncer
Ellyn is a junior majoring in Clinical Exercise Science and double minoring in Non-Profit Administration and Adventure Tourism. Ellyn is involved in Alternative Breaks, Grand Valley Dance Troupe, Movement Science House, and the American Sign Language Club. In her spare time she can be found volunteering, hanging with friends, or reading! Ellyn is super stoked to be apart of the Laker Leadership and Service Team!
Shane O'Donohue
Shane is a senior majoring in both biomedical sciences and psychology. He hopes to attend either medical school for endocrinology or graduate school for clinical psychology after graduating. Shane is vice president of the American Red Cross Club, an Alternative Breaks site leader, and a DJ on Whale Radio. He loves listening to music, hanging out with friends, and volunteering. He is looking forward to being a CSLC intern.
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While state legislators representing Walker County agree with Bentley's call for simplification and clarification of the law, a local minister says the legislation is completely unjust.
State lawmakers rejected a repeal of the immigration law last week.
On Wednesday, however, the Alabama legislature passed a bill, HB 658, that proponents say clarifies provisions in the state's immigration law that were causing problems for law abiding citizens.
Much of the bill includes more explicit definitions for terms like contractors, subcontractors and projects, to help legally clarify transactions for businesses and local governments. It also increases the penalties for businesses that knowingly hire illegal immigrants or residents that knowingly harbor them.
The legislation also allows police officers to question the immigration status of not only the driver of a vehicle but the passengers during a traffic stop.
The proposed law did not change or repeal provisions that were protested or challenged in court, like a measure requiring school systems to ask children their immigration status and the status of their parents.
Rather than signing the bill into a law or vetoing it, Bentley called for the special session in order to address the school issue, which has been prohibited by a federal court.
A statement released by the governor's office said, "Governor Bentley believes that revising this section to prevent children from being interrogated would allow the injunction to be lifted, making the law more effective."
Each of Walker County's lawmakers said they agree with the governor and don't believe educators should be asked to collect immigration data.
"They have enough to already," said. Rep. Bill Roberts (R-Jasper).
According to a press release, the special session Bentley called will also include discussion of a proposed addition to the law that would require the Department of Homeland Security to publish the names of illegal immigrants who were involved in court proceedings throughout the state. Critics call the measure the "Scarlet Letter Provision."
Bentley said in the release that such a list would be counterproductive and take away from the original intent of the law.
"The essence of the law must remain the same, and that is if you live or work in Alabama, you must do so legally," Governor Bentley said in the release. "We must make sure that final revisions to the immigration law make the law more effective, help promote economic growth, ensure fairness, and provide greater clarity on the application of the law. I believe these additional revisions will help us as we accomplish those goals. A more effective, enforceable bill is a stronger bill."
River "Rio" D'Angelo, pastor of Sumiton Church of God's Hispanic ministry, has participated in rallies at Montgomery and lobbied lawmakers to repeal the immigration law. He said he has voiced his opposition to the law because several members of his congregation — members who are in the state legally — have experienced problems such as delays in their naturalization and even denials of business loans.
D'Angelo said Alabama's immigration law is immoral and unconstitutional. He said the real answer to the immigration problem in America is streamlining the path to citizenship.
He compared the tweaks of the law to making slight changes to Jim Crow laws of the 1960s, which separated African Americans from whites in regard to public education and transportation.
"They're just wrong," he said. "I know I sound like Malcolm X with brown skin tone now, but it's a bunch of white men in this country that make laws for the black and the brown folks and that's why they don't work."


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When the Alvin Ailey American Dance Theatre was preparing for its latest world tour, lighting director Al Crawford chose the award-winning ETC Eos to replace the dance company's older Obsession® II console, also from ETC.
Alvin Ailey Dance was among the first to use an Eos, which recently won a PLASA Award for Innovation, completing a triple crown of honors (it garnered similar awards at the LDI tradeshow last year and the Showtech tradeshow this past spring). US company 4Wall Entertainment Lighting supplied the Eos system to Ailey and was one of the first rental companies in the world to purchase the consoles.
Eos was designed to handle the most complex lighting rigs, and the Alvin Ailey rig is no exception, with 180 various ETC Source Four® spotlights and 80 Source Four PARs. "We chose the Eos because we'd been with Obsession for 15 years and have over 200 ballets in our repertoire," says Crawford. "Changing desks posed a significant challenge, because of the inherent and continual translation process, so we needed a desk that could understand the data. In our production we use conventional fixtures, moving lights and scrollers and needed to transfer the massive amount of repertory information seamlessly."
Crawford says that as important as the control system was, the excellent relationship he has with ETC was just as critical: "The Eos product team listens carefully to their end users. For example, there was one time when we had an issue with the software—not a fault—but we needed it to operate differently. We contacted ETC and received a software update within 24 hours. They completely supported us during the Eos's tour around the world. That is unprecedented in my book—they truly stepped up to the plate. I cannot forget the ETC folks including Anne Valentino, Dennis Varian, Luke Delwiche, and Victor Seastone. What a team!
"I must also acknowledge the entire Ailey lighting staff for their dedication to this process of moving to the Eos system. Stuart Nelson, associate lighting director for Alvin Ailey American Dance Theatre, lead the translation and integration process, and I'm so appreciative for his hard work and tireless hours. Thanks also to Michael Cannon and Al Ridella at 4Wall Entertainment Lighting for their dedication to investing in new technology."
Just finishing up in the UK, the company's current tour now continues into France and China. The New York season at New York City Center Theatre is from November 28th through December 31st of this year.


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Pristine hiking in iconic parks of Chile and Argentina
On this "go at your own pace" adventure, you'll explore the breathtaking mountain environs of Patagonia's Torres del Paine National Park, Chile, and Los Glaciares National Park, Argentina. Both parks showcase Patagonia's spectacular, unspoiled wilderness, whose inspiring beauty can set the heart afire: soaring pink and white granite towers, golden grasslands sprawled beneath a huge expanse of sky; forests of gnarled trees resembling oversized Bonsai; sparkling lakes of incredible hues; the largest continental ice field outside Antarctica; and glaciers forgotten by the last ice age. Exhilarating scenic hikes are complemented by sumptuous accommodations: in Paine you'll relax at the fabulous Explora Lodge on Lago Pehoe (with indoor heated pool, massage salon, and outdoor Jacuzzis); in Los Glaciares you'll stay at one of the best hotels in the town of El Chaltén, right at the foot of the mountains.
Easy to moderate optional activities include hiking, horseback riding, mountain biking (optional strenuous hikes available)
- Flexible hiking options in Patagonia's Torres del Paine and Los Glaciares National Parks
- Spectacular vistas of the Torres del Paine, Cerro Torre, and the awesome Fitzroy massif
- Visit the cosmopolitan cities of Santiago and Buenos Aires
Duration: 11 days Start Location: Punta Arenas End Location: Buenos AiresDownload Detailed Itinerary
Day 1 : Arrive in Punta Arenas
Arrive in Punta Arenas on the northern shore of the Strait of Magellan.
Day 2 : Travel to Torres del Paine National Park
Morning transfer to Torres del Paine National Park. Your accommodation while in Paine National Park is at Explora Lodge, scenically situated on the shores of Lago Pehoe, with in-your-face views of the park's famous jagged cuernos (horns).
Days 3 - 5 : Torres del Paine National Park
While at Explora, you can join in various activities, including walks and hikes, horseback rides, boat excursions, photo safaris, and more. All-day hiking excursions may include a hike into the French Valley, or to the face of the Grey Glacier, where you can observe icebergs calving into Lago Grey. Other possibilities include visits to Salto Grande and Salto Chico (waterfalls) or to Las Torres, the famous "Towers of Paine."
Day 6 : Los Glaciares National Park
Drive into Argentina to the little town of El Chaltén within Los Glaciares National Park.
Days 7 - 9 : Los Glaciares National Park
You'll have these days to enjoy the tremendous vistas of Los Glaciares National Park. There are a variety of day hikes to suit all abilities, including hikes to Laguna Torre, Piedras Blancas, and Laguna Sucia.
Day 10 : Buenos Aires
Drive to the airport in Calafate and fly to Buenos Aires.
Day 11 : Buenos Aires
Morning free to Explore Buenos Aires.
DATES: Best time to go: January - April, October - December Departures: Private departures are available on the dates of your choice, pending availability. Call us for details.
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Hotel Cabo de Hornos
Recently renovated modern European style hotel in the world's southernmost city, located on the main Plaza Munoz Gamero. High ceilings and beautiful artwork complement the stone floors in the entryways.
Loi Suites Recoleta
This five star hotel is located in the most elegant area of the city, at walking distance from museums, art galleries, shopping areas, historical architecture and beautiful parks.
Hosteria Los CerrosEl Chaltén
Overlooking the young town of El Chaltén, Hosteria Los Cerros offers a cozy stay with unique décor that harmonizes with the natural environment. Expansive windows open onto dramatic views of the Río de las Vueltas and the surrounding landscape.
Properties shown are representative of the accommodations we use on this trip, may not be inclusive of all accommodations we use, and are subject to change.
Expert leadership is the key to an exciting, unforgettable experience. Our trips feature gifted leaders for whom leading trips is a true vocation. Besides showing you wonders you'd never find on your own, they make sure everything runs smoothly and safely without a hitch. They are knowledgeable about all aspects of your trip, and take great pleasure in sharing their insights with you. More than just guides, they positively elevate your experience by being teachers, companions, and the best of friends. You'll be in good hands with them every step of the way.


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Borderlands GOTY Edition Grants Early Access to Eventual Duke Nukem Forever DemoBy Jeff Mattas, Oct 05, 2010 12:00pm PDT 2K Games and Gearbox have revealed that purchasing the Game of the Year edition of Borderlands will give players exclusive access to the "Duke Nukem Forever First Access Club," in addition to some exclusive in-game items...in other words, early access to the DNF demo.
Borderlands Game of the Year Edition will be available on October 12 for $49.99 on PC, and $59.99 on PS3 and Xbox 360.
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By: EinherjarSpirit x Show Full PostYou guys realize you get the stuff if you have borderlands on steam... right?
If you already own it on Steam:
1.) Right click on "Borderlands" game.
2.) Select "View game CD key"
3.) Duke's key is in there.
4.) Pat yourself on the back.
Oct 17, 2010 5:01am PDTYou guys realize you get the stuff if you have borderlands on steam... right? If you already own it o... : EinherjarSpirit
By: burntham77 x Show Full PostI am all in!Oct 12, 2010 6:11pm PDTI am all in! : burntham77
By: Aesir Rising x Show Full PostI've already got BL and 3 of 4 DLC. I'll get the 4th eventually. But spending an additional ~$50 for a demo of a trainwreck doesn't sound like best use of my gaming dollars.Oct 10, 2010 9:56am PDT
By: jayares x Show Full Postso having borderlands + all the dlc already get us.... ?Oct 05, 2010 1:13pm PDT
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satisfaction for all the blow it bought them. : deathofrats
this is an incentive for people who still haven't purchased the game. it already gets you whatever you've... : happynoodle
By: Jockiboy x Show Full PostDuke Nukem deserves better than this...Oct 06, 2010 9:09pm PDT
By: Beelzebud x Show Full PostI find it humorous that DNF is in development for 15 years, to now be used as a marketing ploy to get people to buy a rehashed GotY edition of a different game.
That urinal in the demo isn't the only thing getting pissed on.Oct 06, 2010 10:37am PDTI find it humorous that DNF is in development for 15 years, to now be used as a marketing ploy to get peo... : Beelzebud
By: Don Soleone x Show Full PostDid I really just read Duke Nukem Forever and Early in the same sentence?Oct 05, 2010 9:45pm PDT
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Haha, perfect. : etherealrhythm
By: AlanSaysYo x Show Full PostI very much enjoyed taking a chance on Borderlands when it was released. It was the first game in a long time I just bought, without having played a demo or waited for reviews. And it was a great game that I've spent a lot of time playing. I even bought all the DLC at release and have more or less enjoyed that too. Having said all of that, I'm not going anywhere near the decade-old Duke Nukem forever unless I play a demo first. And if 2K doesn't want to give me a demo, that's to their detriment, not mine.Oct 06, 2010 8:53am PDT
By: Matt Burris x Show Full PostThis is where I post a sad Keanu pic. :(
Is the GOTY edition of Borderlands not enticing enough that Gearbox had to tack on an early DNF demo to get people to buy it?Oct 05, 2010 8:00pm PDTThis is where I post a sad Keanu pic. :( Is the GOTY edition of Borderlands not enticing enough that ... : Matt Burris
By: jtthe2nd x Show Full PostNo thank you. I've waited 13 years, I can wait a little longer rather than get sucked into buying a game I don't even want.Oct 06, 2010 12:02am PDT
By: Xulu x Show Full PostOnly reason to want the demo badly is cus it's not widely available. That's "exclusivity" for ya.
I can wait. Demo...LOL Maybe cus I want the chances of me being blown away by it is slim to nawt.Oct 05, 2010 7:01pm PDTOnly reason to want the demo badly is cus it's not widely available. That's "exclusivity" for ya. I c... : Xulu
By: barichnikov x Show Full PostDid Borderland get any GOTY awards, lol ?Oct 05, 2010 12:19pm PDTDid Borderland get any GOTY awards, lol ? : barichnikov
By: chrisschutz x Show Full PostStep 1- give demo to people who buy GOTY edition of borderlands
Step 2- apologize and give demo to everyone who owns borderlands
Step 3- everyone thanks you for realizing the error of your ways and forgets that you are only giving the early demo access for DUKE NUKEM to people who fucking own BORDERLANDS.Oct 05, 2010 5:29pm PDT
By: zehh x Show Full PostSure. That means that people who already own Borderlands, and maybe people who pre-ordered it before it was out, will also get the demo, right?
Right?Oct 05, 2010 3:12pm PDTSure. That means that people who already own Borderlands, and maybe people who pre-ordered it before it w... : zehh
By: watcherxp x Show Full PostPretty much par for the course for this company sadly.
Lies, deceptions and now this crap.
They already got my 50 bucks for that broken game, at least give me a fucking DEMO for free.Oct 05, 2010 2:59pm PDTPretty much par for the course for this company sadly. Lies, deceptions and now this crap. They a... : watcherxp
By: X-GOUKI x Show Full PostI don't think I have ever said this but
LOLOct 05, 2010 4:17pm PDT
By: jodiuh x Show Full PostLame move.Oct 05, 2010 4:16pm PDTLame move. : jodiuh
By: razorchicken x Show Full PostAt the risk of sounding like just another PC gamer complaining on this board,
will this be available to the people who want to play this on OnLive?Oct 05, 2010 3:08pm PDTAt the risk of sounding like just another PC gamer complaining on this board, will this be available to... : razorchicken
By: Batmanshack x Show Full PostGearBox has turned into a money grabbing whore, this is just plain stupid... Using this game to sell their 2nd DLC box of BL, yes SECOND. Sad Gearbox sad.... Why not offer the loyal buyers of your game something free?Oct 05, 2010 3:25pm PDT
By: pigvomit x Show Full PostWell that sucks. Way to stick it to the loyal fans who already bought your game on release and every one of your expansion packs. (not that I'm one of those, but still...)Oct 05, 2010 3:17pm PDT
By: dmason x Show Full PostAnd thus we welcome in the era of pirated demos. :(Oct 05, 2010 2:56pm PDT
By: Xevo x Show Full PostWhat a load of bullshit. I pre-ordered this game the day it was available on Steam, and have all the DLC except the Claptrap one. I'm definitely not paying $50 for one DLC episode and early DNF beta access. Way to piss off your customer base, Gearbox.Oct 05, 2010 1:15pm PDTWhat a load of bullshit. I pre-ordered this game the day it was available on Steam, and have all the DLC ... : Xevo
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By: Walterbennet x Show Full PostGreat, but... I already have Borderlands and all DLC. I was an early adopter, so I don't get access to the demo? Why can't I have nice things?!Oct 05, 2010 12:07pm PDTGreat, but... I already have Borderlands and all DLC. I was an early adopter, so I don't get access to th... : Walterbennet
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By: freakynipples69 x Show Full PostGenius, pure genius. Playing on the emotions of gamers to get them to pay $60 for a game they probably own already.Oct 05, 2010 2:02pm PDT
By: p34nk x Show Full PostGrreaaat move by 2k. Always a great move by 2K. Everything they did with Mafia 2 and Civ 5 was so great, it makes me feel like I want to buy their games at least three times from different vendors just to get that one little more thingy that they sell.
Sorry, cant stand it anymore. No more money going to 2K for a while until they stop nickel n dime everyone and learn how to actually treat the customers right and that way, still make money.
*Still respect all the developers that worked hard on their games, just not the way the game is marketed/published/released/distributed*Oct 05, 2010 2:00pm PDT
By: WilliamDecker x Show Full PostBecause our wonderful friends at 2K will likely be reading some of these responses...I'll outline the following:
Good marketing: "Thanks for being a loyal customer...here is access to DNF. Also if your friends who don't own Borderlands wish to buy it, then we'll give it to them as well! Tell everyone about this so you can all enjoy it together, and then DNF demo when it comes out too!"
Bad marketing: "Thanks for being an early adopter. What have you done for us lately? Tell your friends to buy our game and we'll give them some DNF demo access. Maybe if you're lucky they'll share their demo account with you!"
At least that's how I feel, but what do I know? I'm no marketing major! However the guy that gets our coffee is, so I'll ask him if he agrees when he gets back from Tim Hortons.Oct 05, 2010 1:30pm PDTBecause our wonderful friends at 2K will likely be reading some of these responses...I'll outline the fol... : WilliamDecker
By: CrustaR x Show Full PostNO DEAL, 2K Games!!Oct 05, 2010 1:33pm PDTNO DEAL, 2K Games!! : CrustaR
By: mastermike569 x Show Full PostDon't get your hopes up about a DNF demo, it will probably get the Civilization Demo treatment and go sorry to bust your balls buddy but its coming out on release days have fun with this 2 hour long play through video instead.Oct 05, 2010 1:33pm PDT
By: Lucy Labia x Show Full PostCriminalOct 05, 2010 1:16pm PDTCriminal : Lucy Labia
By: RuskiSnajper x Show Full PostWell it's about time duke news gets on shack
, but anyway , im being a punk , they knew about it but .. shack minimizes "a lot of articles about the same thing" hype unless extremeley necessary ;
so ... but the trailer needs to get here FIRST , it's just a matter of time , i hope it's being worked on REALLY getting it here , Xav promised ;)Oct 05, 2010 1:01pm PDTWell it's about time duke news gets on shack , but anyway , im being a punk , they knew about it but ... : RuskiSnajper
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By: Leviathan41 x Show Full PostThis is worse than the "pre-order our game to get beta/demo access" stuff that has become popular recently. Now they want us to buy an entirely different game (which a lot of us already own, but not "newest" version) to get access to the DEMO of a different game. No thanks!Oct 05, 2010 1:07pm PDT
By: metalremains x Show Full Postyawn, call me when DNF is out.
I almost always buy the GOTY editions of the games I already bought + dlc but only once the GOTY/Full version is on the bargain bin. I don't tend to open these.Oct 05, 2010 12:52pm PDT
By: NukemFornever x Show Full Postso I'm going to pay $49.99 for a Duke Nukem Forever demo.
Thanks 2k.Oct 05, 2010 12:30pm PDT
By: TurtlePerson2 x Show Full PostThis is just another company training people to wait for price drops before buying. This idea of GotY editions pairing DLC with the game makes me just wait for the complete game to come out before buying it. It's Lord of the Rings, where people didn't buy the DVDs because they were waiting for the extended edition.Oct 05, 2010 12:25pm PDTThis is just another company training people to wait for price drops before buying. This idea of GotY ed... : TurtlePerson2
By: the archvile x Show Full Post*Nick Breckon sigh*Oct 05, 2010 12:46pm PDT*Nick Breckon sigh* : the archvile
By: timmie x Show Full PostSo does this mean that the demo will also have some form of DRM in some sort of attempt to keep people from just distributing it themselves before the "public" release? Because, fyi, DRM on a free demo is fucking retarded.Oct 05, 2010 12:44pm PDT
By: [7]kami x Show Full PostSteve, please go to your colleagues at marketing and ask who brought up this idea.
Then please punch that person in the face.
On behalf of Shacknews, thanks!Oct 05, 2010 12:36pm PDT
By: legsbrogan x Show Full PostBOUGHT'DOct 05, 2010 12:36pm PDTBOUGHT'D : legsbrogan
By: m0user x Show Full PostWhat a bad idea, they should open it up for everyone that owns Borderlands, or even better, release it for everyone instead.
No one that owns Borderlands already is going to re-buy the GOTY edition just for this.
I's like to slap Scary right now and say;
"WTF DUDE! you were one of us and this is the best you can come up with as a marketing guy since you sold out to the man??"
M0USEROct 05, 2010 12:09pm PDTWhat a bad idea, they should open it up for everyone that owns Borderlands, or even better, release it fo... : m0user
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17-02-2011 11:37
Hi all,
This is my last resort before i give up and return the phone to Virgin Mdia for a replacement and finally accept my phone data is lost forever so any help/advice greatly appreciated.
First of all, as everyone i have asked has told me, i know i was a fool for not backing the data up beforehand but i didnt and i cant undo that. I am an idiot i know.
Here is what happened.
I have used the Nokia Software Updater once before without any issues to rectify the intermittent ringtone problem, i did not lose any data from my phone when i did this.
Recently i was having problems with photos, when taking a new photo they were not displayed in the folder and when trying to delete photos i was getting an error message which read "General Error" until i turned the phone off and then on again and hey presto photo was in correct folder and photo was deleted so i decided to use the NSU to see if it would resolve this issue also.
Plugged in the phone to the laptop and initiated the update and it seemed to fail half way through for some unknown reason.
When i unplugged the phone as nothing was happening with the update anymore it would not switch on and hasnt since then meaning i cannot access the data on the phone.
I have spoke to a few companies who have said they can fix the phone by reinstalling the software but this will definately delete any data on there.
The problem is i couldnt care less about the phone (its under warranty with Virgin so i can get it replaced no problem) but i have stored on there 6 months worth of precious photos and videos of my baby boy and im devestated that they have been lost.
Does anyone know of anything i can do to get the photos back?
18-02-2011 9:36
Whereas any company would have to make disclaimer about data loss, your media is stored in the mass memory E:\. If it is simply a matter of restoring the device firmware AFAIK that can be re-flashed without affecting this, as only on C:\Drive would data be erased.
Quite often media is included with new device pre-installed on mass memory which can be restored at Nokia Care Point returning it to "Out of the box" state, but you would obviously be prepared to forego this in the circumstances if it meant conserving your stored media.
I certainly don't want to raise your hopes only for them to be dashed and hope that someone with enough technical expertise can give you a definitive answer here.
You might want to check for PM - little yellow envelope top right of screen.
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Our Scholar of the Week has two possible careers on her mind, in addition to an aggressive class load. Megan Pond is a senior at Ipswich High School and she currently carries an astonishing 4.17 grade point average. And she says hard work is important in school.....and beyond.
Megan Pond is a stand-out student at Ipswich High School and that is no accident. If you sit down and talk to Megan, you can easily tell she is motivated to succeed...right now and in the future. "You have to be a good student in order to go on and be successful in college so I'm taking as many classes as I can."
And that idea of having an active class schedule is something she has focused on all four years of high school...telling us she would often opt for more classes and fewer study halls in order to get ahead on credits and course work. She spends a lot of time in chorus and band....she says music has always been a part of her life. Also a part of her life: kids. She volunteers as a teacher's assistant at the local elementary school and says her connection with children is pushing her to pursue a career in either education or medicine. "I really don't know which one I want to do so I have to get out and be exposed to both of those areas in order to decide which I want to do."
In addition to volunteering as a teacher's assistant, Megan has also served as a job shadow in the pediatrics unit of a hospital in Aberdeen.
For being named our Scholar of the Week, Megan will receive a $100 scholarship from FEM Electric Association....which is a local Touchstone Energy Cooperative.
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|Palestinians Iyad, 12, and Nadine, 16, participate in an internet chat about violence in schools in West Bank town of Ramallah.
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RAMALLAH, West Bank, oPt, 14 April 2005 - On a hot sunny afternoon, two Palestinian school children were seated in a tiny square room, behind two computers. They were getting ready to participate in the internet chat on violence in schools that took place on 11 April.
Hosted by Voices of Youth, the live chat facilitated an exchange among young students from five Arab countries: Djibouti, Morocco, Tunis, Yemen and occupied Palestinian territory (oPt). The outcome of the web exchange will be presented by the Tunisian youth delegates at the Tunis Colloquium on Violence in Schools to be held in Tunisia on 14 – 16 April 2005.
Iyad, 12, and Nadine, 16, were the Palestinians selected from 28 nominees to participate in the internet chat.
"I was so scared when the chat started. My heart was beating fast. I knew I was responsible for speaking out on behalf of Palestinian children to other school children who are participating in the chat," said Iyad.
Iyad learned about the kinds of violence that other children in region face in schools. Students voiced skepticism about the effectiveness of school administrators in responding to violent acts against students by teachers or other students.
"The physical abuse is practiced most by teachers against younger students or by older students against their teachers, while the verbal and psychological are more practiced by teachers against older students'" said Iyad.
Some pointed out a tendency by the administration to take sides with the teachers. Girls felt that they were more exposed to violence than boys, particularly moral and verbal violence. Iyad emphasized that living in a violent surroundings has a negative impact on schools.
|© UNICEF Ramallah/2005/Award
|Iyad, 12, participates in an internet chat on violence in schools in West Bank town of Ramallah.
Iyad is originally from the Gaza Strip. For the past two years, he has been living with his father Ali in the West Bank town of Ramallah, while his mother Eman and two younger sisters are in Gaza.
"I always heard about Djibouti, Yemen, Morocco and Tunis, but I never had the chance to travel to these countries. I have only been to my hometown Gaza as well as Ramallah and Jericho. This chat is an education without borders," said Iyad.
Creating sports, cultural and art clubs for students and teachers in order to release their stress were among the key recommendations made during the chat.
At the end of the internet chat, the children shared e-mail addresses. "I want to maintain a dialogue with these students in the other Arab countries," said Iyad.
The Tunis Colloquium will help both children and adults exchange concrete practices and develop educational programs and policies that help make the school environment healthy and safe.
Since December 2004, Voices of Youth has undertaken a series of events to support the input of children and adolescents into the Secretary General's Study on Violence Against Children, mandated by the UN General Assembly.
The study seeks to understand, reduce and prevent violence against children. There is a particular emphasis on ensuring that the views and experiences of young people inform the study and its final report, which is to be published in 2006.
UNICEF in oPt
UNICEF is currently conducting a national study on violence in Palestinian schools. UNICEF is also supporting a pilot programme in more than 600 schools in the West Bank and Gaza Strip where more than 600 school counselors are trained on the Convention on the Rights of the Child and develop strategies to reduce violence and its impact on school children.
Other activities include providing children with peaceful alternatives such as safe play areas and supporting to eight children's municipal councils. In addition, with the support of the Canadian International Development Agency (CIDA), current efforts are directed to create a cadre of young journalists, supporting sports clubs and summer camps.


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Just want to quickly address some of the stories coming out about my actions during camp. In all my years of football I've never been...— Kenny Dwayne Vaccaro (@KennyVaccaro4) July 31, 2013
...ejected from a game or been called a dirty player. I've always taken pride in playing aggressively but within the confines of the rules.— Kenny Dwayne Vaccaro (@KennyVaccaro4) July 31, 2013
I'm blessed to play the sport I love & have been given the opportunity to make a living doing so. I play every snap, whether it be practice— Kenny Dwayne Vaccaro (@KennyVaccaro4) July 31, 2013
...or a game, like it could be my last. I have nothing but the utmost respect for all my teammates, especially the veterans that have helped— Kenny Dwayne Vaccaro (@KennyVaccaro4) July 31, 2013
...maintain the Saints legacy and would never intentionally disrespect any of them. I never purposely threw a football at Jimmy and or hit..— Kenny Dwayne Vaccaro (@KennyVaccaro4) July 31, 2013
...anyone outside of a padded drill. So until my coaches, teammates or my mother tells me to take it easy I will continue to leave it ...— Kenny Dwayne Vaccaro (@KennyVaccaro4) July 31, 2013
...all out on the field. #WhoDat— Kenny Dwayne Vaccaro (@KennyVaccaro4) July 31, 2013
Jammin this Dallas music with @RufusJohnson7 bout to jump out the car and dip dip dip haha— Kenny Dwayne Vaccaro (@KennyVaccaro4) July 31, 2013
"@qdiggs6: Keep balling my boy @KennyVaccaro4 stay #Relentless"---> No Question!!— Kenny Dwayne Vaccaro (@KennyVaccaro4) July 31, 2013
PHOTOS: Wednesday's #Saints practice: http://t.co/Ok6E2BMArR #SaintsCamp— New Orleans Saints (@Saints) July 31, 2013
Pro Bowl changes won't make bad game better, just different http://t.co/ImsIlG4UxJ— ProFootballTalk (@ProFootballTalk) July 31, 2013
The new rules show how the league's concept is to gradually turn the Pro Bowl into a "Game Show", rather just a game: http://t.co/jzq3AhCXsC— Albert Breer (@AlbertBreer) July 31, 2013
2014 Pro Bowl, Presented by McDonald's, Features New Format for @NFL All-Star Game http://t.co/unE6cFOLdT— NFL345 (@NFL345) July 31, 2013
Rob Ryan really likes Keenan Lewis. I mean, reallllly likes him. Said the CB was already on the field working out the day after he signed.— WWL-TV Sports (@wwltvsports) July 31, 2013
Ryan also appears to have a soft spot for Jim Leonhard. Said he's happy to have the vet in camp w/ the team.— WWL-TV Sports (@wwltvsports) July 31, 2013
Bill Polian talks Saints & Dennis Lauscha discusses the Pelicans uniform changes in today's @BlackBlueReport Podcast: http://t.co/UT2oebczWD— New Orleans Saints (@Saints) July 31, 2013
AS GOD IS MY WITNESS, I WILL NOT REST UNTIL JED COLLINS IS A 2014 PRO BOWLER!— Grandmaster Wang (@moosedenied) July 31, 2013
Will do! hope u get betterRT @CaroPerrotta1 @CurtisLofton50 Please take care of your back!! I am 5 weeks pos… http://t.co/T7lWdZ8Urg— Curtis Lofton (@CurtisLofton50) July 31, 2013
Guys on both sides of the ball were getting after it today.Some of the hits reminded me of the old NFL films.just another day at the office— Garrett Hartley (@GHartley5) July 31, 2013
Another day in the books— rafael bush (@rbush36) July 31, 2013
Jump it!!! The rare chance to get the jump on lancemoore16 #saints #trainingcamp #grinding http://t.co/Gbol3MAgAX— Malcolm Jenkins (@MalcolmJenkins) July 31, 2013
#Saints are indoors tomorrow for practice. Closed to the public, no live tweeting or Vining.— WWL-TV Sports (@wwltvsports) July 31, 2013
Payton: "I thought Ryan Griffin (@Griffin_11) had his best practice yet...he has picked things up pretty quickly" #SaintsCamp— New Orleans Saints (@Saints) July 31, 2013
Bobby Hebert has the shirt of the day. It reads "Goodell Hater" with an arrow point up to Bobby's face. Oh my ...— Larry Holder (@LarryHolder) July 31, 2013
Defense trying to bounce back. Rafael Bush with a nice pass breakup on Tanner to start more first-team team... http://t.co/wXjDvXKtAC— Larry Holder (@LarryHolder) July 31, 2013
Ryan Griffin with another bomb to Preston Parker. Keeps getting better each practice.— Larry Holder (@LarryHolder) July 31, 2013
Now Harper, Bush and Vaccaro in together. Side note: Toon and Moore made back-to-back catches beating the defense.— Larry Holder (@LarryHolder) July 31, 2013
Kenny Vaccaro jus tried to throw Chis Givens to the ground. DB coach Wesley McGriff had to pull him aside and calm him down.— WWL-TV Sports (@wwltvsports) July 31, 2013
Vaccaro again in drill, Preston Parker gets physical w/ him. After Vaccaro tried to take down Saalim Hakim, Hakim three the ball @ the rook.— WWL-TV Sports (@wwltvsports) July 31, 2013
RBs vs LBs! #SaintsCamp https://t.co/7EKIOzaVh2— New Orleans Saints (@Saints) July 31, 2013
.@DrewBrees hands it off to @DarrenSproles! #SaintsCamp https://t.co/qRqVE5Ku8g— New Orleans Saints (@Saints) July 31, 2013
9 days until Saints football. call up Joe Horn if you know who we play. lol http://t.co/KX2IAf7o1b— Joe Horn (@JoeHorn87) July 31, 2013
DL Tom Johnson sitting out with a hip injury. Payton said Tuesday that Johnson would miss a week.— Larry Holder (@LarryHolder) July 31, 2013
Marques Colston, Patrick Robinson still on PUP list. I asked Payton for an update on Colston on Tuesday and Payton didn't offer much.— Larry Holder (@LarryHolder) July 31, 2013
VIDEO: @KennyVaccaro4 talks about trying to establish his role in the #Saints defense http://t.co/yipfrgNATJ #SaintsCamp— New Orleans Saints (@Saints) July 31, 2013
Join us Saturday for the #Saints Black and Gold scrimmage. Gates open at 8 and it's FREE to attend! http://t.co/EnA81Dd2yV— New Orleans Saints (@Saints) July 31, 2013
Who dat talkin' 'bout Saints camp?
Kenny Vaccaro defends self on Twitter following Graham incident | Saints | The Advocate — Baton Rouge, LA
In a series of tweets published not long after Wednesday morning's practice, the rookie safety wrote, in part: "In all my years of football I've never been ejected from a game or been called a dirty player. I've always taken pride in playing aggressively but within the confines of the rules."
Kenny Vaccaro scuffles with Saints' Jimmy Graham - NFL.com
Kenny Vaccaro must not care where rookies sit on the NFL totem pole. The New Orleans Saints rookie picked a fight with Jimmy Graham in training camp -- and nearly every other teammate.
New Orleans Saints focusing on outside zone scheme to improve rushing attack | NOLA.com
Saints trying to mimic successful ground attacks like Texans, Seahawks
Saints camp on Wednesday: photo gallery | NOLA.com
The Saints continue training camp at their team headquarters on Airline Drive in Metairie on Wednesday, July 31, 2013.
Here's the beef: Saints' NT Jenkins humble, ready to help any way he can | wwltv.com New Orleans
"I'm just working," Jenkins said. "I'm just learning from these vets. No matter what these guys have planned for me, I'm willing to do whatever (they ask)."
Saints backup QB Wallace sits out with groin injury | wwltv.com New Orleans
Seneca Wallace, battling to become the Saints' backup quarterback, sat out practice Wednesday with a groin injury.
From the Coach's Office: Points from Saints Practice, July 30
Remember the primary objective of training camp is to assemble the best 53 man roster possible. It is amazing the hysteria the start of training camp creates, where most of us want answers when we barely know the questions and only partial answers.
Joe Morgan ready to make splash | New Orleans Saints | The Sun Herald
Joe Morgan is proving at Saints training camp that he can do more than run under long passes from Drew Brees.
Saints Nation Podcast: Saints Need Healthy LBs and Skype Fail to the Max | July | 2013 Articles
Five things to know about the New Orleans Saints on Wednesday, July 31
Practice is scheduled from 8:50 a.m. to 11:50 a.m. and will be open to the public.
Saints rookie report: John Jenkins
Rookie John Jenkins met with New Orleans media on Monday and talked about his experience so far.
Thursday's New Orleans Saints practice moved indoors, closed to the public
The next open practice is the Black and Gold Scrimmage, which will be held on Saturday starting at 8:50 am CT at the team's facility on Airline Drive
Team Report - NEW ORLEANS SAINTS - Yahoo! Sports
From Yahoo! Sports: Graham works despite contract status
Ryan Griffin's best day yet: Mike Triplett's first take from Wednesday's New Orleans Saints practice | NOLA.com
Rookie quarterback from Tulane has impressive day while working with third-string offense in place of injured veteran Seneca Wallace
New Orleans Saints' Seneca Wallace, Curtis Lofton held out of Wednesday's practice | NOLA.com
Saints escape Wednesday practice unscathed by fresh injuries
New Orleans Saints owner Tom Benson to make nearly $400M in state subsidies by 2025, report says | NOLA.com
Agreement between Tom Benson, state was fully implemented last year
Mark Ingram busts Jonathan Vilma's nose during practice
"I didn't know, but I saw Jed (Collins) had some blood on his helmet and he was like 'Who's it coming from!?'" says Ingram. "Then I saw Vilma looking like Avatar with a strip on his nose, so I guess I put a couple stitches in him, but it was just a good collision. He needs to get his helmet fitted better," smiled Ingram.
NFL radically changes Pro Bowl
Report: NFL ditches Pro Bowl format for fantasy draft | ProFootballTalk
The people have spoken. And regardless of what they really said, the NFL will be getting rid of the traditional Pro Bowl structure, dumping the AFC and NFC teams for a fantasy draft format.
NFL wants more two-minute drills in Pro Bowl | ProFootballTalk
Change is coming to the Pro Bowl and it goes way beyond the schoolyard draft-esque way that teams will be chosen in the future. There will be two-minute warnings added to the first and third quarters of the game with the ball turning over to the defensive team at their 25-yard line at the start o...
Pro Bowlers may not be wearing their usual team helmets | ProFootballTalk
The elimination of conference affiliations creates all sorts of interesting possibilities at the Pro Bowl. Ravens linebacker Terrell Suggs could have a chance to sack Ravens quarterback Joe Flacco.
Two fans will help pick the final Pro Bowl teams | ProFootballTalk
The NFL has announced sweeping changes to the Pro Bowl. The biggest change comes from the elimination of the conference affiliations and picking teams from the 86 players who make it to Hawaii. The overall Pro Bowl rosters will continue to be determined by the fans, coaches, and players.
Pro Bowl changes seem to acknowledge reality | ProFootballTalk
The NFL has announced sweeping changes to the Pro Bowl, a game that has been undermined in recent years by a lack of player effort. It's a lack of player effort we understand and support.
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Sean Payton's Wednesday Press Conference
New Orleans Saints Head Coach Sean Payton speaks with reporters after practice on Wednesday, July 31, 2013.
Kenny Stills
WR Kenny Stills talks with reporters after practice on Wednesday, July 31, 2013.
Ryan Griffin talks about week one of camp
New Orleans Saints Rookie QB Ryan Griffin speaks with the media after practice on Wednesday, July 31, 2013.
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Rufus Johnson Focused on Improvement
New Orleans Saints rookie S Kenny Vaccaro talks about the first week of 2013 Training Camp presented by Verizon on Tuesday, July 30, 2013
Chase Thomas is used to playing in the heat
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