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RED ONE MX Out of Stock, CEO Jim Jannard Says He's Not Retiring Soon, and He's a 48FPS Convert
That didn't take long. Two weeks is as long as the stock lasted on the Battle-Tested RED ONE MX cameras. It's likely going to be the end of the road for new sales of MX cameras, though I guess with RED, never say never. Certainly if you were looking to get in on a real cinema camera with RAW output, it was a fantastic deal even if, as I've heard at least a hundred times, that you can't actually put together a working camera for $4,ooo. Also, since we decided to cover it in the first place, turns out Mr. Jannard wasn't being quite as forthcoming with the timeline on retirement as we originally thought.
Here is what Jim said about his previous comments:
I guess my post was a bit tongue in cheek. The caveat in the post was getting out Dragon and "the New Technology". The "New Technology" will take a bit of time… so apparently that means I won't be retiring tomorrow.
Sorry if my playful nature was taken wrong. There is still a lot to do.
What is true is Jarred's ever increasing role at RED. He now does more than I do. God love him. :-)
I think this means we can expect to get more interesting late night posts for some time. It's not clear what this "New Technology" is, but it will be interesting to see if RED really tries to push the boundaries as far as the way movies have traditionally been shot. He's talked about RED working on a moving version of the tech used in the Lytro camera, but what RED might be working on is anyone's guess. It's probably not the 3D camera they were showing as a prototype a while ago, as interest seems to be waning for that format in many circles, and they have heavily invested in making EPICs work inside 3D rigs.
Jim also has said some interesting things about the new Hobbit film shot in 48fps:
When I 1st heard that PJ would shoot the Hobbit at 48fps… I was skeptical. To me, 24fps was "sometime". 48fps was "this morning".
I have to say that I am now a convert. The way this was shot (thank Andrew Lesnie), the VFX and Gollum… 48fps is "other worldly". In a good way. A way you have never experienced before.
Peter is much smarter than I thought. And I always thought he was pretty smart.
48fps on this movie is like nothing you have ever seen… magnificent.
Wipe your mind of preconceived notions. Forget "the will of the mass mind". This is just plain better.
There are so many reasons why to watch this movie…
The initial response was somewhat lukewarm from many who had seen a preview of 10 minutes of Hobbit footage in 48fps, and while it's looking like it will get a significant release in that format — around 450 screens so far — the majority of showings will be in the traditional 24fps. The big deal about 48fps is that it can make for a better 3D experience, but whether it can make for a better 2D experience, I personally am not yet convinced, but I guess we'll just have to wait and see. The Hobbit will only be shown in 48fps in 3D, though, and the other screenings will be derived from that master converted to 24fps.
As for the RED ONE MXs, if you got in on the deal, we'll have more coverage about what you might need to get started relatively soon. If you haven't already read it, I've also joined the RED ecosystem as well with a RED SCARLET, so while we won't be covering RED exclusively, we are definitely aware that there are many more RED users in our community than there were even six months ago.
If you are a RED user, it would be great if you could comment if you never have on this site before — as we're looking to get some real feedback from our audience about the cameras and about what people want to know about.
As for 48fps, what do you guys think? Are you going to go see The Hobbit in that format?
We're all here for the same reason: to better ourselves as writers, directors, cinematographers, producers, photographers... whatever our creative pursuit. Criticism is valuable as long as it is constructive, but personal attacks are grounds for deletion; you don't have to agree with us to learn something. We're all here to help each other, so thank you for adding to the conversation!
moebius22 on 11.16.12 @ 8:21AM
Great, another 48fps proponent. Of course in Jannard case it's a marketing decision.
Clayton Arnall on 11.16.12 @ 11:32AM
Ha, yes exactly what I was thinking
brett on 11.17.12 @ 4:58PM
people were saying similar things about color back in the late 1920s. High frame rate 3-D is just another step towards replicating human perception. Criticisms like this will die down just like they have with 24p stereo.
Daniel Mimura on 11.22.12 @ 8:18AM
Rght…and that sort of thinking is probably why Michael Mann's been shooting with a greater than 180º shutter.
Yes, 24fps and a 180º is a convention…but it looks good and a wider shutter looks stupid unless you're doing an LSD trip scene.
And criticism of 24p 3D has only died down b/c people've more or less chosen 2D over it for most recent releases.
Natt on 11.18.12 @ 3:18AM
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Bern on 11.16.12 @ 8:24AM
I have noticed about the freaky disscount for Red One mx, reading the mail from your magazine. Thanks to share. I was quite nervous since the first dissscount announcement. When Red CEO talked about the limitations of the disscounts, i was honestly desesperate. So, i want to say thanks to you people, to make me and a friend, a RedOne's owners. Excuse my poor ingles, haha.
Dave on 11.16.12 @ 8:29AM
I'm very interested to see what The Hobbit will look like at 48fps. The original frame rate to shoot and watch film was 48. The only reason 24fps is the standard is because back at the dawn of filmmaking 24fps was a way to save money on film but not too low a frame rate that sound would be distorted.
Agent55 on 11.16.12 @ 10:05AM
Interesting comments from Jim on 48fps, I'm definitely seeing The Hobbit at 24 frames the first time, but the second? I think the "otherworldly" comment has me a little less dismissive of it.
Blair D on 11.16.12 @ 8:15PM
That's my plan as well, to see it for the first time in 24fps and 2D, so I'm not distracted by a new format, and can have the cinema experience I'm used to, and enjoy the story. And then, go back later to try the 48fps 3D with an open mind, and see what I think.
Like Joe M., I'm suspicious of 48fps in 2D.
48 fps to my knowledge has never been 48, it was orginially 12, then with the intro of sound it moved up to 24
Daniel Mimura on 11.22.12 @ 8:22AM
SIlent was typically 16-18fps, not 12, although there were a lot of things that've been tried.
Douglas Trumball's Showscan format was originally 60fps (I think his New Coke digital showscan is 48fps).
Brian on 11.16.12 @ 10:22AM
I went out and shot some 48fps after reading this "otherworldly" post, and I must say, after initially dismissing the format for narrative acquisition, 48fps with a 270 degree shutter does have a nice look. certainly nice to have options.
Peter on 11.16.12 @ 10:39AM
Yay! Freedom and progress. And 450 screens to show off on.
Same here. I went out and did some tests and it's not that weird. Does not look like the smooth motion setting on HDTVs at all (like some are comparing it too). It's closer to the look of 30p than it is to 60p. That's just my own perception though, other people might see it differently.
Brian on 11.16.12 @ 5:45PM
it didn't feel like 30 or 60 to my eye, was quite sharp and motion seemed similar to 24 but with less motion blur. did another test with 48 @ 270 degree vs 24 @ 90 and 45 and there is a distinct difference, 48fps doesnt feel like a skinny shutter @24. very hard to describe.
I find when looking at anything over 24fps on a tv/projected it looks wrong to me. When I see the real world movement seems to fall in my mind within 24fps, probably due to the way the eye constantly shifts/moves and breaks up the movement or the brain processes data.
Whoa, everyone's converting to the Faster FPS!
ruben huizenga on 11.16.12 @ 11:06AM
It seems to me that when less information is presented,
ie 24 fps, real effects, (not super panoramic cgi ) maybe even..God forbid..less resolution,
then more is left to the imagination.
Things like motion blur, Chewbacca suits, good pacing and framing all help us suspend our disbelief, and
pull us into the story.
How many have been captivated by single photograph?
How can we "escape" into the dreamy world of "the Hobbit" when it looks like a hyper realistic sportscast?
How does a viewer escape in the theatre? Would you rub vaseline in your eyes until your imagination started working?
It's an interesting question, and certainly more resolution (temporal or spatial) is not always better. My own web series The West Side, for example, would not have worked as well if it had been in HD, I believe. However, that was partially because there was no budget for production design and in SD we didn't have to worry as much about background details that would give away NYC as, well, modern-day NYC — and kill suspension of disbelief.
Filip on 11.16.12 @ 7:14PM
Ryan- I am in love with The West Side. Photography, lighting, sound design, score and overall "feel" of that universe is extraordinary, not to mention that the VFX is so appropriate and subtle. What did you shoot it on?
Thanks Filip! I shot it on a DVX100A with a 35mm adapter. Was before DSLRs!
Filip on 11.16.12 @ 7:18PM
And I just realized that it was that which put you on the map, for a lack of a better term. The topic is probably long past relevant discussion as everyone on here except me, probably already knew about it. Nonetheless, super impressive, echoed by popular sentiment obviously.
I wouldn't ever argue that an image with more resolution or information is inherently better than one with less, I'm well aware that every project demands its own unique treatment. But Ruben's comment seems to suggest that "realistic" images and narrative engagement are mutually exclusive. If there is an engaging story to be had in a movie then I can't imagine either a very degraded or very refined image will be noticeable for very long.
ruben huizenga on 11.16.12 @ 2:47PM
well, maybe.. at least figuratively.
the frame guides the eye, as does focus and detail..
sammy on 11.16.12 @ 4:41PM
The combination of faster frames and fantasy films are opposed.
Faster frames can work in video games.
But video games are not stories..people want hyper realtiy
there because they live in them.
In narrative we are not participants…
…but viewers and makebelievers.
What is 24 fps..optical diffusion…
and yes even closeups…???….they all involve tossing out info.
and hypnotizing you to believe the illusion is real.
I don't really agree with that.
I would LOVE to see a fantasy film that was really inmersive, that really felt like looking through a window. The problem is that everything needs to be 100% realistic as well, from the lighting to every single minuscule prop.
The people who got to watch the first chunk of 48 fps Hobbit said that CGI and real aerial stuff was amazing. They were the sets that felt cheap.
domb1 on 11.16.12 @ 12:12PM
All these people buying reds, and I'm just sitting here, mast- I mean with my T2i.
Don't worry about it. Just keep shooting :)
john jeffreys on 11.16.12 @ 7:24PM
i feel the same way with my 5D, but at the same time, its all downhill from here in terms of used RED prices.
Steve on 11.16.12 @ 12:35PM
People keep talking about the fact that 24fps is the default because it was established a long time ago, but what no-one mentions is that we've stuck with it for so long because it works. Not just because it was easier. B&W was easier than colour. Silent was easier than sound. We changed those things because they made the films better. We did it because the audience wanted it. We did it because there was a demand.
48fps and 4K (and more) aren't being driven by demand, they're being driven by supply and that is the cart before the horse in anyone's book.
So I love that we can shoot high frame rates and I love we can have increased resolution but in most cases we wont use them, because we don't need them. We need what we've always needed.
Good stories told by good storytellers.
Danyyyel on 11.16.12 @ 4:28PM
So true, I think that it is the first time I see someone show this example. Yes 24p survive until now, while black and white and Silent died because their was a true need. All this 4k thing is driven by marketing. On one side it is the camera and projectors makers that want to sell their gear. On the other side it will be the film industry to try and sell higher ticket price. But in the end, I never was bothered by 2k projection even trying to look for it (pixel). What bother me more is motion rendition and DR. If one or the other is not right, it makes me jump right out of the film.
David on 11.16.12 @ 4:34PM
Amen brother. You could throw 3d in there too… I think there is something magical about 24fps.
Natt on 11.18.12 @ 3:21AM
There's nothing magical about strobing and lack of detail during pans
But then, weren't the first audiences of colour films and likewise "talkies" heavily marketed to in order to persuade them to enjoy a new experience? I'm pretty sure there was no worldwide vote that films should be in colour before somebody invented it and it was thrown at audiences.
David on 11.19.12 @ 3:45AM
It's annoying when people argue that the change from B&W to color and silent to "talkies" is somehow the same as 2D to 3D or 2k to 4k or 24fps to 48fps. 3D, 4k, and 48fps do not help tell a better story. Color and sound are huge story telling tools and entire languages in themselves.
Yep, I'm a recent convert to the RED Scarlet, and I do frequent this site often, but this is my first comment here. I own a production company in the Chicago area and it made sense to jump on board while the jumping is good, and while the ecosystem involved is more costly than the traditional DSLR productions, it is definitely a better bet for future proof acquisition as 4K Ultra-High-Definition TVs hit the market. I also think it is a great tool, but the real telling will be in actual productions with it. It is an investment like anything else.
i was on the fence for 2 weeks about buying a red one until it was too late.
Not sure how I feel about it, not that it matters, i guess my next option is the bmcc.
I like the idea of a camera with a screen just in case you have to go ultra guerilla style.
looking forward to its delayed release.
a lot of bad ass tools out there.
I was considering the Red One for 2 weeks since the announcement. Do I want a $4K RED that shoots amazing pictures? Of course. But what is the life expectancy? The R1 is before the "Obsolescence Obsolete" revolution; if the R1 was upgradeable it would be a no-brainer. But since it isn't, it's girlfriend, not a wife.
My pennies will be saved for an Epic. The best thing about that is that you maximum options in every direction. The problem with the R1 is that you have none; just a great 4.5K image.
Daniel Mimura on 11.22.12 @ 9:02AM
Yes, R1 is no longer being developed. It's an "end of life" camera, to use Red's own terminology.
But I disagree about life expectancy. Since they shoot 4k (even debayered 4.5k is 3.7k, which is pretty damned good, considering we're using so much less resolution for most 4k prints)…I expect the life to last a good long while.
Even looking at Redcolor3 and Redgamma3 compared to what went before…old footage had new life based on color science.
And older cameras have the quirks ironed out. The BMCC…with the ports in your face on the "smart" side (irony—cuz it's pretty dumb), with the weird sound implementation, the fact that the RAW is uncompressed, the small sensor, the dim screen…all these are quirks that you don't get in an end of life product.
I see 4k as a plateau…maybe someday some other format will prevail, but this is the first camera since my 16mm camera that has the potential to have value longer than 2 years. Digital cameras have the same problems as computers now…Moore's law… Every 18 months, there will be something faster, or more resolution…etc…
But when you get a camera that outdoes every video standard (except that totally crazy BBC/NHK 8K prototype) as well as the still under 50% converted to 4k theatrical standard, there is no way it's going to age badly. Even processing the footage…as computers get faster, red rocket cards become less important. 2 or 3 more years and it might not be necessary at all. And only by then would your computer even be likely (possibly) to have 4k by then to view it.
I saw the Social Network on a 4k screen (even though that was a prototype of the MX, and they didn't have the 4.5k mode yet, meaning it was 4k before debayering, not 3.7k after)…if that was good enough for a big hollywood film and it looked flawless…it's good enough for anything I could conceivably need…in anything I shoot unless I'm gonna shoot a feature in 70mm or something.
After all, 35mm has been the "standard" (despite there being vistavision and 70mm, vertical or horizontal)…and if this camera meets the requirements of this standard, it doesn't really need to beat that…it makes the mark.
The difference is, if a few years ago I even could've gotten a 35mm camera (for as cheaply as I got a BTR1MX), it would've meant I had the canvas and the brushes, but still no way to afford the paint. Film was expensive, and now, even though the R1 does take some bandwidth over smaller digital formats, it's not even the same ballpark having to pay for hard drives as buying film. The threshold has been reached, the plateau is there, tech-wise…and the prices are finally dropping for last year's technology. This camera is only 2 years old…several months younger than my 7D…but the price has dropped to less than a 20% of the initial cost…it made my decision to buy a used R1 really easy.
Blair D on 11.16.12 @ 8:41PM
I haven't commented much here before, I'm a Scarlet owner. I pulled the trigger just before midnight on the last day the introductory pricing was available (back when they were first released.) It was a huge decision for me, as I had only rented cameras previously.
Over the years I came close to buying many cameras (HVX200, EX3, 5D) but always got hung up on something about them I didn't like. With Scarlet I finally felt like I was making almost no sacrifices (except the empty bank account afterwards.) Its more camera than I really need for what I do, but I'm looking forward to growing into it.
I'd love to see stories on this site about how to spend as little as possible on accessories, and still get good results. Getting the base camera package wiped me out, so most RED accessories are out of reach for me for now.
+1 to that.
I just picked up one of the Red One MXs. It seems like there is such a huge gulf between the price points of accessories for DSLR and Red One. Would love to see articles about rigs, sliders, and other accessories that can support the weight of the Red One but at lower price points than Red or Zacuto gear.
Thanks Ryan, amazing website.
carlos on 11.16.12 @ 9:40PM
My BT Scarlet just came in the mail today. Would love to see stuff on workflow and post production hardware. Without a good solution for post shoot RED becomes very difficult. Also a lot of people butcher RED footage because of poor workflow practices.
Hello, my name is Justin and I'm a RED owner. Now that we got that out of the way, I'm also a Canon, Sony and hopefully soon BMCC owner as well. I've always been a fan of faster frame rates for the post options. I think it will take a few years for 48fps to catch on because the motion blending TV's of several years ago have left a bitter taste but the current generation of high frame rate video game fanatics that will help push it to the masses…
Daniel Mimura on 11.22.12 @ 9:24AM
If anything, I worry that those tv's will make more people accepting of weird motion.
c.d.embrey on 11.17.12 @ 2:18AM
Silent speed was 18 FPS, this is why the Keystone Kops look the way it did on early TV, with 24 FPS playback. The quick Keystone Kop look was never seen when they first ran in theaters back in the silent days
I find nothing magical about 24 FPS, it was just an artifical standard chosen because it was the minimum speed for optical sound. It wouldn't bother me to see either 48 FPS 2D or 60 FPS 2D.
Not quite true, both filming and playback were variable framerate and was faster/slower for creative reasons. Different projectionists would play different parts of a movie at the speed they personally thought worked best.
Daniel Mimura on 11.22.12 @ 9:29AM
Yeah, and the Keystone cops in particular were undercranked, whereas something like a Douglas Fairbanks picture (i.e. not a slapstick comedy) would be cranked around 18fps. That was the "normal" speed, and that's been sped up on modern screenings, but not as much as the Keystone Cops.
Managed to get in an order for a REDONE.
I always liked the look of the camera. And the price was very right for me to get one personally.
Having worked on productions using R1, Epic, alexa, 5d, 7d, and a bunch of ENG cameras, I've found that post workflow is always different. Easier with alexa prores, but not really that different in the end result if the filmed content is well litt and interesting. Story is king :)
But people like different things, and I like the RED :)
Now I am just scrounging around to get it nice and shootable, borrowing stuff.
What I'd like to se more of on this site is cinematography, lens choosing on shoots and lighting.
Where to get RED compattible gear is also interesting, but this site should continue to cater to everyone like it does now :)
Can't wait to see the Hobbit in 48. I don't know if I will like it, but attleast I haven't made up my mind yet like the rest of the internet…
Peter on 11.17.12 @ 6:33AM
soon there will be Epic "battle tested" for a half price… just wait….
Henk on 11.17.12 @ 4:26PM
I send a couple of emails, but I don't think they are going to show the Hobbit in The Netherlands nor Belgium :( sucks for us!
Natt on 11.18.12 @ 3:16AM
My bet the new tech is Lightfield Monstro. Bigger 70mm-ish sensor (hell, maybe even like 15-perf IMAX 70mm), 10K flat raw video, 3 or 4K selective focus "Lytro" video and things like that. Now THAT is revolutionary.
I'll be watching The Hobbit at 48fps 3D, purely because that's how the filmmaker intended it to be seen. Also, who am I to say I know that the movie will look better in 2D? I can only image PJ and the team have done their homework before spending 100s of millions of dollars, and I think that we should respect their decisions as filmmakers. Aren't we all in this to experience something extraordinary, something we've never seen or felt before? Perhaps 48fps will be part of that new experience. Either way you'll never know if you don't try. Heck if you hate the look, go again in 2D, but at least you'll know you pushed your horizons and didn't rest on your preconceived ideas.. I won't use the analogy of sound being introduced in the 20s…
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A state legislator is asking the Public Service Commission to subpoena state officials from various departments to give testimony regarding a proposed new electricity transmission line in western North Dakota.
State Senator Connie Triplett says she is opposed to Basin Electric's
request to speed up the permit process for the new, nearly-200-mile power line to run through the Badlands from the Antelope Valley Power Plant near Beulah to near Tioga.
The last of three public hearings on the proposed Waiver of Procedures and Timelines for the project was held today in Williston.
Basin officials answered questions from Public Service Commissioners about all aspects of the line, including how its route was altered to steer clear of a study area near the Killdeer Mountain Battlefield - a site considered sacred by local Indian tribes.
Triplett is alarmed at what she says is the appearance that state agencies are stepping aside to allow oil-related development in North Dakota.
(Sen. Connie Triplett, (D) Grand Forks) "Many of our state agencies have really been closed out of the process related to oil development. Basically it appears from the outside that they've simply been told not to engage or to engage at a very low level that is wholly supportive of oil development. The reason I'm here today is I'm very concerned about the pace of this process where they've asked for waivers and trying to put what should be several separate and discreet processes into one without allowing themselves time for the adequate gathering of information."
The PSC will not take any action on Basin Electric's request for the almost-200-mile transmission line for several weeks.
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Outdoor Industry Pushes Back Against Western Republicans' Oil Friendly Land Policy
by Jason Williams, Thu Sep 15, 2011 at 04:57:01 AM EDT
Mention Ken Salazar to Republican lawmakers in the west and the response is sure to include the words "land," "grab," "tyranny," and even "Bill Ayers!" if you listen long enough. In the tea party haze, the only thing less popular than caring for poor people and the elderly is protecting wildlands and the environment. It's an affront to the American dream, enshrined in the Constitution, to live next to a coal mine or an oil field, drinking brackish "freedom water" and breathing polluted "liberty air."
When it comes to land management policy, few Republicans in the west have contributed more to this attitude than Rep. Rob Bishop (UT-1). Most recently, Bishop has led the charge -- with the help of a few juvenile state representatives -- in a call for "reclaiming" western lands "for freedom" (of course) and ensuring Utah's right (ney, duty!) to drill/burn/dig/chop-baby-drill. Also: They're doing it for the children!
But as Republicans from Montana to Colorado strive for the most creative ways to cater only to industries with the deepest pockets, businesses in the west are waking up and pushing back.
One coalition spokesman, business owner Mark Rasmussen, has taken to the op-ed pages:
Last week, 27 Utah-based outdoor-industry businesses joined my company, Petzl America, in calling on our congressional delegation to adopt a balanced, rational approach to protecting Utah's unique and scenic landscapes. We want our Senators and Representatives to understand preserving these lands is critical to our bottom lines, and the jobs our companies create.
We wrote a thoughtful letter to Utah's delegation asking them to reconsider several dangerous policies currently being considered by Congress. We have not heard a reply from any of the delegation, other than the statements of my Representative, Rob Bishop, in the Standard Examiner. Based on these comments, we can only conclude he is not interested in opening a dialogue with an important business group that provides jobs to many of his constituents. His continued assertion that protecting public lands hurts the economy just doesn't hold water.
This is not to say there isn't a place for oil and gas development and ATV trails. According to the Utah State Parks OHV program, there are over 50,000 miles of OHV trails across public lands in the state. That's a lifetime of beautiful riding for tourists and Utah residents alike. Likewise, there are already five million acres in Utah being leased by oil and gas companies, yet only one million have been developed for production. Thousands of leases issued to oil companies for drilling sit idle.
If it's a balanced approach to public lands we're looking for, the scale needs to swing toward protecting the valuable, pristine landscapes we have left.
Rep. Bishop has supported everything from defunding the Dept. of Interior to H.R. 1581, which would strip 5 million plus acres of protected status in Utah alone (for the children, remember!) in his crusade. In Idaho, where one study estimated the outdoor industry outpaces the timber industry favorites 6 to 1 in job creation, Gov. Butch Otter fretted alongside Montana Rep. Denny Rehberg that occasionally having to tell the timber industry no would amount to "a war on the west!"
Run for the hills, school children! Or the strip mine where the treeless hills used to be! And be careful, that's also where we buried some radioactive stuff.
Witness "stewardship" in a red state, folks. It's no joke.
GOP reps in safe districts are hoping the collision of business interests and sane environmental and land management policy will simply go away. But as more business owners lacking the political clout of the oil, gas, timber, and mining industries find themselves ignored, the "pro-business" veneer is getting increasingly difficult for Republicans in the west to keep polished.
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I've absolutely loved this hotel for its convenient location, it's charming lobby and the scrumptious breakfast buffet.
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"Obama will personally lead diplomacy efforts beginning with a speech at a major Islamic forum in the first 100 days of his administration. He will make clear that we are not at war with Islam, that we will stand with those who are willing to stand up for their future, and that we need their
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Obama says in Turkey that U.S. not at war with Islam
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During his recent trip overseas, President Barack Obama addressed the Turkish Parliament.
In the speech, on April 6, 2009, Obama discussed several areas of mutual interest between the United States and Turkey: fighting al-Qaida and other violent extremists; seeking peace in the Middle East between Israel and its neighbors; pursuing statehood for the Palestinians; preventing Iran from creating nuclear weapons; and keeping Iraq secure.
Obama concluded by emphasizing that the United States is not at war with the religion of Islam:
"I know there have been difficulties these last few years. I know that the trust that binds the United States and Turkey has been strained, and I know that strain is shared in many places where the Muslim faith is practiced. So let me say this as clearly as I can: The United States is not, and will never be, at war with Islam. In fact, our partnership with the Muslim world is critical not just in rolling back the violent ideologies that people of all faiths reject, but also to strengthen opportunity for all its people.
"I also want to be clear that America's relationship with the Muslim community, the Muslim world, cannot, and will not, just be based upon opposition to terrorism. We seek broader engagement based on mutual interest and mutual respect. We will listen carefully, we will bridge misunderstandings, and we will seek common ground. We will be respectful, even when we do not agree. We will convey our deep appreciation for the Islamic faith, which has done so much over the centuries to shape the world — including in my own country. The United States has been enriched by Muslim Americans. Many other Americans have Muslims in their families or have lived in a Muslim-majority country — I know, because I am one of them."
Some might not consider the Turkish Parliament to be, strictly speaking, an "Islamic forum" because Turkey's government is secular. But we don't want to be sticklers on the word "forum" because we found other news accounts where Obama's promise has been described as making a major speech in an Islamic nation or an Islamic capital. Certainly, Turkey is predominantly Muslim — 99.8 percent Muslim, according to the CIA World Factbook .
Interestingly, the New York Times reported that some anonymous Obama aides did not see the Ankara speech as the promised speech on Islam. These unnamed aides said that there would be still another speech in an Islamic city to define even further Obama's views on America and Islam.
Still, we find Obama has fulfilled the terms of this promise. He spoke before a predominantly Islamic audience to deliver his message "that we are not at war with Islam, that we will stand with those who are willing to stand up for their future, and that we need their effort to defeat the prophets of hate and violence." Maybe Obama will visit another city and fulfill this promise yet again. Right now, we're willing to rate this one Promise Kept.
The White House, Remarks by President Obama to the Turkish Parliament , April 6, 2009
CIA World Fact Book, Turkey , accessed April 9, 2009
Time, Behind Obama's speech to the Muslim world , March 24, 2009
New York Times, America Seeks Bonds to Islam, Obama Insists , April 6, 2009
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Lumpy Unmentionables, Keelhaul, Soul in Ice ... though I think you knew about the latter two. :)
Lucky goes to the Creamery-- Sedona--Grossman ??
Never actually done but hamlins project up at the not so secret peaks always looked cool to me
The Morgue on the Goosehead has never seen a repeat.
I always assumed Coherent Excitation, 5.11X on Chimney Rock hadn't seen a repeat. But maybe it has?
I think about several hundred of Deschamps routes in Cochise are unrepeated. Does anyone know if Harvest Moon on Babo's east face has seen a second ascent and/or a free attempt?
I put up a trad line(Snake Run 12a) around 2000 at Lower Solitude on Elden that hasn't been repeated, and Friend of the Devil(12b..2005) at the Red Dragon, also on Elden, hasn't been repeated. Not because they are very hard or scary, but because people got better things to do I guess.
Agreed, hundred of Dave's routes in Cochise. I would imagine that some of the aid lines on the east face of Babo haven't been repeated. Also, hundreds of the backcountry routes on S. Arizona domes and Sedona.
Has Lost Horizon been repeated?
I don't think so yet Josh. Bloom and partner were trying this year but haven't succeeded yet. On a separate, but related, topic you may be interested in, someone tried to onsight Shangri-La without the bolts. He fell, ripping several pieces from the crack, breaking the rock in the crack, and took a 60 footer. I guess now we know.
A friend of mine claims he use to climb with Deschamps and has told me some WILD stories. I guess i kinda believe him now after hearing about all his unrepeated routes.
The vast majority of the unrepeated routes in Cochise aren't really due to scare-factor. It's more that they are climbed and not posted or publicized so nobody knows anything about them. Plus, the vast majority of people going to Cochise would rather do established classics than obscure stuff.
What about Over the Rainbow on Leviathan Dome? A couple of years ago I started randomly picking obscure, possibly unrepeated routes in the 5.10 range from Kerry's backcountry guide and discovered that some of them are pretty dang good, even if they could use some cleaning. I'm sure there's a bunch more of those.
Crazy Colin! Allow me to officially eat my words about whether there should be bolts there or not! I bet Mike Sokoloff would be interested in that little tidbit as well.
I think Over the Rainbow had a second. Not sure about Coherent. Pretty sure Lumpy and Lucky have not. Those routes are not repeated for good reason. Jim told me he didn't mean to do Lumpy that way. He planned on drilling, he just couldn't stop and do it. Many unrepeated routes are that way for obscurity's sake or in the case of Deschamps, because they are obscure and possibly desperate. Ditto for more than a few routes in Sedona. Looking for some new challenges Eric ? On Rap Rock: The East Face, I forget what Steve called this, good start, climbing not that hard technically but it's a tricky gear lead on 10+ type of ground. I think there was an aid climb over there, this goes to the N of that I believe. Bridge at Khazadoom - has this had a second ? I belayed SG on it and thought, yeah, I could lead that. Years later after doing P1 (& 2?) of Helm's Deep I tossed a TR rope down it with John Hayes and was blown away by how tricky the sketchy face climbing was above such lousy gear and that was before you even have to deal with turning the roof. 11+? Baradur - Steiger bagged a 2nd, anyone else ? 11+ (I thought it was 5.12 on the second.) Steve figured out some bizarre, crappy sling over a slopping head, held in place by a sideways #3 hex of no value except to put friction on the sling so it might stay in place. This was after we'd yoyo'd to the crack's end and were proud to get there. See Steiger's write up here on MP. We then went down the mountain and did the FA of Ankles Away on Chimney. That's another Steiger did a second of but any thirds? Now that's a doable climb with gear. Also on Chimney, Perfect Peter. Anyone been on this? It sounded desperate to me and quite hard. Stronghold: JS, Ray & Chip's routes in the Stronghold, the Three Sisters always sounded desperate... And apparently are, or so I've heard (right Geir?) Chi Distha Tsay - Waugh repeated it but he went straight up the nose rather than SG's way. Waugh told me he completely ran it out. Steve's lead had gear, just run out tricky gear. It now sounds like the rock has sport lines to the top. But those two original leads remain up there flappin in the wind. Fig and Baker did ??? A traversing climb of the main summits that is full of OW and chimneys. I wonder if that's been repeated. Sort of a girdle route. These climbs are way easier technically than the hard sport routes around. Different game. Where is Soul in Ice?
This thread is totally cool. I am getting all amped up just thinking of these routes. Paul, I can't speak to all three sisters as I have just completed one of them so far. Freaking excellent climbing on Coming to Grips though. There was definitely desperate climbing though! Soul on Ice is on Out of Towner's Dome. 5.12? slab crux courtesy of EFR.
nik berry repeated lost horizons before he left town a couple years back. dave and i have a body length to send. bugger.
Cool stuff guys. Over the Rainbow has been repeated by a guy from boulder 20 years or more ago. Met him as I picked up a pair of shoes at Neptunes. When I mentioned I was from Tucson he asked me if I had done OTR. I said he and Waugh were the only ones I knew of that did it. Sole on Ice.
The long reach you told me about has kept me off of Baradur Paul.
It's been a long time since I was there - tell me, what ever happened to Five Mile Wall? Seems it was about a five mile hike down from the top of Mt. Lemmon toward Romero Canyon. Can't find it on this site. Hope I'm not opening up anyone's secret stash here. Mike Egan and I did a short, 5.10 thin-fingers crack there in 1979. Can't imagine it hasn't seen a second, but can't locate it on this site. Seems I recall Karl Rickson was doing a lot of new stuff there about that time. Only thing I found on a Google search is this photo: Would guess it doesn't see much action given the approach, but I recall some strikingly clean lines. Anyone?
Arachnid Mesa, Canyon de Chelly.....9 pitches. No 2nd ascent FA Nov. 1983. .....29 years...
Five Mile Wall is in Kerry's guide. I doubt anyone goes there, but I bet every route has been repeated. I camped 2 seperate weekends in the early 80s and we did most all of them.
People go to 5 mile wall Jbak, it's a great place to be!
I've done several first and last ascents around AZ. Mostly because of their obscure location and that we never reported them. Verde-Go and Hollow Gospel on the Verde-Go tower. I did these with Jim Gaun and Bryan Smith in the 90's. They are accessed by floating the Verde River from Beasley Flat to Childs. On a tower found just off the river on the left in a spot shown on topo maps as Gospel Hollow. I think they are both 2 pitches and around 5.9 ish. I don't think anybody has repeated some of the routes some of us put up in Sedona in the 80's Queens Bishop comes to mind. It's a long right leaning diagonal corner way left of Technicolor Corner and right of Epitaph. I put up a some routes in the McDowells in the 80's that have probably never been seen again. The best was the N face of Tranquility Spire on Windy Walks (now Troon) with Mike Lawson and Gerald Guidroz. Death of Ethos we called it. Many of the routes at Tamo have not been repeated just because nobody bothers to go there but they are great.


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- OpenTable Diner Since 2007VIPDined on 8/30/2014The service is really great here and the food keeps coming and coming. A fun night out and even more fun if you go with a group of friends.Special Features:
- navyDined on 8/23/2014There are plenty of meat options to choose from and all of the meat is well prepared. The service was good and they even noted that we were there for a birthday and offered a complementary dessert. It is a lot of food and a bit pricey so I would only go for special occasions. I have been to other Brazilian steakhouses which I prefered over this one. They are lacking in the salad bar and I wish they had cinnamon pineapple which I have had at others.Special Features:I would recommend this to a friend.
- Much Meat, Much CostAZnative23Dined on 8/16/2014My husband and I went to Fogo for dinner. We spent $132.00 for two people, including tip. The salmon at the salad bar was delicious. The leg of lamb and filet mignon wrapped in bacon were also very good. We both agreed, however, that it was not worth the cost. There was no possible way to eat $50 worth of food in a sitting and the steak at Texas Road House was just as good at half the price. In addition it was very noisy, crowded, and took a long time to get coffee and the check. We won't be back.Special Features:
- Top Notch Management!FogoDeWowDined on 8/16/2014This place is just perfect! Food, service and price! You just can't ask for a better place if you love steak. The salad and salmon and all the rest is done perfect.Special Features:I would recommend this to a friend.
- Meatlovers paradiseFamilyof5Dined on 8/15/2014We have been on a carb free diet and while celebrating a birthday we wanted to splurge without the guilt. All of the meat choices were delicious, with several options including 3 different lamb cuts which we loved. Several vegetable and salad choices as well. Definitely worth the price!!!Special Features:I would recommend this to a friend.
- Excellent Food!OpenTable Diner Since 2010Dined on 8/9/2014We went to this location in Scottsdale because we have gone to the location in Atlanta. We absolutely love the food and when we traveled to Arizona and found out that there was a Fogo de Chao in Scottsdale we could not leave the state without going. We live in California and learned that they just opened a new restaurant in San Jose CA, we are looking forward to going there real soon...Special Features:I would recommend this to a friend.
- Expect A Special ExperiencePhilDined on 8/8/2014From the moment we walked into the restaurant, we were treated exceptionally well. The service was outstanding. The waiters were very informative, respectful, helpful and friendly. As a rodizio style restaurant, you pay one price and the waiters will continue to bring you delicious grilled meats until you indicate that you need a breather. The ambience is quite nice but a little noisy. The wine list is superior. It is extensive both by the bottle and by the glass. All good choices. The salad bar is a little underwhelming given the high quality of everything else but since meat is the star here, you can't really complain. It is a wonderful place for a group. You can stay as long as you wish and everyone is having a good time. NiceSpecial Features:I would recommend this to a friend.
- Our Anniversary Dinner!LuvGoodEatsDined on 8/5/2014The food was excellent!! If you are a meat lover you will be in heaven.. It was all very fine quality and seasoned to perfection.. The salad bar was also amazing with a lot of variety. I would recommend the Fogo De Chao to anyone who loves that great outdoors fire cooked meats...Special Features:I would recommend this to a friend.
- MY 5TH TIMESOFSEDined on 8/2/2014OUTSTANDING AS USUAL; THE MSTAFF IS OVER THE TOP WITH THEIR ATTENTION TO THEIR GUESTS. ALWAYS ON TIME WITH A REFILL OR A A SLIGHT GLANCE, THEY CHECK IN TO SEE IF YOUR NEEDS ARE TAKEN CARE OF. FOOD IS ALWAYS WONDERFUL...BUT GO HUNGRY!!! I COULD MAKE A MEAL JUST FROM THE SALAD BAR. HIGHLY RECOMENDED, A LITTLE ON THE UPPER END OF DINNER PRICING, BUT FOR WHAT YOU GET AND EXCELENT SERVICE...A VERY GOOD VALUE!Special Features:I would recommend this to a friend.
- Great RestaurantJasonDined on 8/1/2014We love going to Brazilian steakhouses. Honestly I have not be disappointed in a single Brazilian steakhouse. There is not really anything like them because they are all so similar. I feel like the servers here were better with our children (ranging from 2 years old to 10 years old) than at the other two Brazilian steakhouses we have gone to. I have no complaints about any of the meats that I tried, though I did not try everything.Special Features:
- Great brazillian steakhouseThegoodlifeDined on 7/24/2014We come here every time we visit Scottsdale. A must try!Special Features:I would recommend this to a friend.
- Hot foods | NotFritzDined on 7/19/20141st to arrive to dine alone with wheelchair reservation. Table wasn't ready. 2 of 4 hot bins empty. Red potatoes bin lukewarm. Meats A+. Service — too good. Chose to be served only 2 meats at a time. Asked for Medium Rare Prime. Waiter says, "Sorry, don't have it; only Medium; be right back." He dashes off. I daydream out the window until I hear a commotion behind me. For meat carvers have assembled, since I hadn't flipped the Stop-Card yet to red!Special Features:I would recommend this to a friend.
- Exceeded our expectationsFoodieDined on 7/18/2014Well worth the $50--salad bar and desert included. Must pace yourself in order to sample all meat offerings without losing track since service is prompt.Special Features:
- Great food!HealthyeaterDined on 7/16/2014This is my second time attending this fine establishment and I have been very impressed both times. The meats are outstanding, especially filet mignon and bacon wrapped chicken! The meats come often, so you are never looking for the waiter.Special Features:I would recommend this to a friend.
- Fun for special occasionAlexAnalysisDined on 7/3/2014Took a teammate here to celebrate a great month of sales. Great place to celebrate. Highly recommend. I think the prices are good too!!Special Features:I would recommend this to a friend.
- A little PriceylwolfsonVIPDined on 6/23/2014It was a little pricey but good food. Salad bar is excellentSpecial Features:
- Sons 15th B-dayhave2tryDined on 6/21/2014Wanted to treat the family to a great dinner you can never go wrong with FOGO DE CHAO...you will enjoy all the options available the kids absolutely love it.Special Features:
- Not worth the money!OpenTable Diner Since 2007Dined on 6/15/2014This was a great "experience" but I would probably not return. although the food was good, it wasn't great. And for the money, it was definitely not worth it. It was nice to sample many different foods and flavors, but this is a very overpriced restaurant. Would've been money better spent to go to Morton's or Flemings for a special occasion dinner. Drinks are incredibly overpriced as well.Special Features:
- It is like being in Brazil!OldProVIPDined on 6/14/2014The food and service are always very good and you will never leave the restaurant hungry!Special Features:I would recommend this to a friend.
- RAW MEATJAZZDined on 6/14/2014THE OVERALL EXPERIENCE WAS TERRIFIC. HOWEVER, THE BEEF WAS COMPLETELY UNDERCOOKED. IT DIDN'T MATTER IF IT WAS A SIRLOIN OR FILET, "WELL DONE" REQUESTED MEATS WERE DRIPPING WITH BLOOD. THE EXTERIOR OF THE MEATS LOOKED NICE AND BROWN, HOWEVER, ONCE CUT INTO ON OUR PLATES, YOU COULD HEAR THE COWS STILL MOOING AND BLOOD RAN ACROSS THE PLATES!! IT WAS PRETTY DISGUSTING, AND DISRUPTIVE TO THE OTHER WELL PREPARED MEATS THAT WERE SOAKED SOON BY THE BLOOD. OTHER THAN THAT, THIS WAS A VERY NICE PLACE TO DINE AND CELEBRATE. KID FRIENDLY. STAFF VERY ACCOMODATING.Special Features:I would recommend this to a friend.
- The Real DealCavemanDined on 5/31/2014Authentic and Delicious. I tried not eating all day in preparation and still could not come close to tasting all the meat. Salad bar is great, drinks fantastic, and amazing service.Special Features:I would recommend this to a friend.
- Was it an off night?DinesoutalotDined on 5/30/2014The service was slow, we had to call them over to take our drink order after waiting more than five minutes. It took them about 15 minutes to get a particular meat type that we requested. The meat did not taste as good as previous occasions. One of our people pulled clear plastic out of one of the side dishes and the apology was rather hallow. They over charged us on the bill for two of us that only had salad, it was corrected. After we paid the bill and were about to leave they came over with the birthday desert, about 15 minutes late. We have eaten there before as well as several other Fogo de Chao locations and this by far was very disappointing in what we have come to expect from them. I hope it not their new standard.
- Amazing!HealthyeaterDined on 5/25/2014All I have to say is I ate at a restaurant like this in Prague, Czech Republic and Fogo de Chao in Scottsdale gave me the same experience as I received in Prague. My buddy and I had a great time. I'll definitely be back with more people!Special Features:
- It was okayMe2tooDined on 5/24/2014My husband and I have eaten here before however the first time was more memorable. Although the servicing of meat was good the sides could use some work. The mash potatos were nuck warm, the plantain were way to sweet, and the other thing was cold.Special Features:I would recommend this to a friend.
- Good Food, Poor Service!RobinVIPDined on 5/24/2014Overpriced wine list, lousy service. Waiter was annoying, served fish dishes prior to even going to the salad bar. Meat was good. Will never go back.Special Features:
- Food was great, service not at allOpenTable Diner Since 2006Dined on 5/24/2014It was our 20th wedding anniversary. Mentioned it when I made reservations and even saw it listed on the sheet of paper our server had when we were at the table. The server didn't make mention of our anniversary the entire night. The table next to us (different server) was also celebrating an anniversary and they were treated much differently. They received a wonderful anniversary wish and desert on painted plates to celebrate. Our server was too busy being self important to notice our special occasion. We went during restaurant week, but 1 member of our party ordered the regular menu in order to have the full experience of the menu. We had to ask and ask to have the different items he ordered delivered. They just kept walking past him.Special Features:I would recommend this to a friend.
- Wear your maternity pants!Dmjohnson82VIPDined on 5/23/2014OMG sooo much food! The food was amazing. A huge selection of meats and they keep your plate full. Big wine list. Good service for the most part, we had to wait 20 mins for our table, even with the reservation.Special Features:I would recommend this to a friend.
- Awesome experience!!KARIfromWIDined on 5/22/2014Visiting from mid-west and celebrating my sisters birthday. First time at Fago and we wanted to have a dining experience..wow what a time we had!! We made reservations on line and arrived at the restaurant early. We were seated immediately upon giving our name to the hostess. Taken to our table by a very friendly meat master and he explained to us how our dining experience was to be played out. We ordered wine, went to salad bar and turned our indicator to green for the main course to start!! We were surprised and a little overwhelmed at how fast things moved..there were always people coming and going from our table taking away things bringing more if this and that.. Loved the food and the overall experience!! Thanks for a great night!!Special Features:I would recommend this to a friend.
- ok....had bettersharilynDined on 5/21/2014we had to ask for the meats. we have been to other brazilian steakhouses before, they were so much better. the meat was bland, salad bar wasnt that great, and service was okay at best.Special Features:
- carnivore's delightOpenTable Diner Since 2010Dined on 5/17/2014Excellent grilled meats in immense rotation - great cold bar selection of salads, grilled veggies, cheese, smoked salmon and cold cuts - voluminous wine list - papaya cream dessert rocks - friendly service - special occasion experienceSpecial Features:
- meat eaters paradiseRoseDined on 5/17/2014My family and I decided on Fogo de Chao to celebrate the completion of my Master's degree program. We are still talking about the great food and customer service. We joked about running to the nearest store to purchase stretchy pants, just to keep eating. The steaks were juicy and cooked just perfect. Thank you for making my day extra special.Special Features:I would recommend this to a friend.
- Fantastic Meal and Service!G8foodDined on 5/16/2014The entire dinner is a smooth and an enjoyable experience! Marco, one of the Manager's, is superb!! Their salad bar alone is amazing. I brought three of our international Senior high students to Fogo De Chao in Scottsdale for a special dinner to celebrate their graduating. Service was A+ and the meats and side dishes were as delicious as on previous meals at this fine establishment. Fogo de Chao was exactly the right restaurant for this event. Each of the three dessert plates/glasses was wiped clean.Special Features:I would recommend this to a friend.
- Good, but...MikeDined on 5/16/2014I knew what I was getting food-wise, and it was excellent. I was disappointed in the service from the bar, drinks from the bar were slow.Special Features:I would recommend this to a friend.
- Excellent MealASUMomDined on 5/14/2014We visit this restaurant each time we visit our son, and we always enjoy the excellent meal. Service of the house specialty meat selection was poor as one server seemed to focus with singularity on one guest table to the detriment of the others. However, in the end, the staff worked to correct the situation to our satisfaction and was very attentive.Special Features:I would recommend this to a friend.
- Yum!CmgallacherDined on 5/10/2014Delicious food and great atmosphere! Perfect for the special occasion.Special Features:I would recommend this to a friend.
- Better on WeekendsJamesDined on 5/7/2014We had a good dinner at Fogo de Chao, but it wasn't special. I think the reason is that we dined on a weekday. Normally, that's the best time to go out, but it seems to be different with this place. The salad bar wasn't as fabulous as last time, and there were far fewer gauchos patrolling the dining room, so we wound settling for food that wasn't our first choice. I understand (now) why they would be forced to reduce the variety when the dining room is two-thirds empty. The food was good, though, so our group will give then another chance. It just won't be midweek.I would recommend this to a friend.
- The following 161 reviews are from the Fogo de Chao Brazilian Steakhouse - Scottsdale reviews archive.
- Love this placebdy85022Dined on 5/3/2014This restaurant is awesome. Great food, friendly service.I highly recommend this place if you're a meat lover!Special Features:I would recommend this to a friend.
- Super Salty Food ChowCapriceDined on 4/30/2014The Food was over salted, overpriced, Lamb had a vinegar taste. Noise level was horrible. Salad Bar mediocre. Banquet Food, poor quality. More quantity than Quality Food.
- Nice option for something differentsomethingdifferentDined on 4/29/2014Unique dining experience. Many food options. Reasonably priced.Special Features:I would recommend this to a friend.


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A judge on Thursday said a group home would help the boy build on improvements he's made in the years since he was charged in a double homicide in St. Johns. Nearly a teenager now, the boy pleaded guilty to negligent homicide in the 2008 death of the friend. Prosecutors dropped a murder charge against him in his father's death.
The boy was in court Thursday because of probation violations. Testimony showed that his time at the treatment facility had been rocky, but evaluators say he's improved vastly under the care of a new psychologist this year.
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The President on the Economy
by Charles Lemos, Tue Aug 31, 2010 at 02:19:35 AM EDT
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THE PRESIDENT: Good afternoon, everybody. I just finished a meeting with my economic team about the current state of our economy and some of the additional steps that we should take to move forward.
It's been nearly two years since that terrible September when our economy teetered on the brink of collapse. And at the time, no one knew just how deep the recession would go, or the havoc that it would wreak on families and businesses across this country. What we did know was that it took nearly a decade -- how we doing on sound, guys? Is it still going in the press -- okay. What we did know was that it was going to take nearly a decade in order -- can you guys still hear us? Okay. Let me try this one more time.
What we did know was that it took nearly a decade to dig the hole that we're in -– and that it would take longer than any of us would like to climb our way out. And while we have taken a series of measures and come a long way since then, the fact is, that too many businesses are still struggling; too many Americans are still looking for work; and too many communities are far from being whole again.
And that's why my administration remains focused every single day on pushing this economy forward, repairing the damage that's been done to the middle class over the past decade, and promoting the growth we need to get our people back to work.
So, as Congress prepares to return to session, my economic team is hard at work in identifying additional measures that could make a difference in both promoting growth and hiring in the short term, and increasing our economy's competitiveness in the long term -- steps like extending the tax cuts for the middle class that are set to expire this year; redoubling our investment in clean energy and R&D; rebuilding more of our infrastructure for the future; further tax cuts to encourage businesses to put their capital to work creating jobs here in the United States. And I'll be addressing these proposals in further detail in the days and weeks to come.
In the meantime, there's one thing we know we should do -– something that should be Congress' first order of business when it gets back -- and that is making it easier for our small businesses to grow and hire.
We know that in the final few months of last year, small businesses accounted for more than 60 percent of the job losses in America. That's why we've passed eight different tax cuts for small businesses and worked to expand credit for them.
But we have to do more. And there's currently a jobs bill before Congress that would do two big things for small business owners: cut more taxes and make available more loans. It would help them get the credit they need, and eliminate capital gains taxes on key investments so they have more incentive to invest right now. And it would accelerate $55 billion of tax relief to encourage American businesses, small and large, to expand their investments over the next 14 months.
Unfortunately, this bill has been languishing in the Senate for months, held up by a partisan minority that won't even allow it to go to a vote. That makes no sense. This bill is fully paid for. It will not add to the deficit. And there is no reason to block it besides pure partisan politics.
The small business owners and the communities that rely on them, they don't have time for political games. They shouldn't have to wait any longer. In fact, just this morning, a story showed that small businesses have put hiring and expanding on hold while waiting for the Senate to act on this bill. Simply put, holding this bill hostage is directly detrimental to our economic growth.
So I ask Senate Republicans to drop the blockade. I know we're entering election season, but the people who sent us here expect us to work together to get things done and improve this economy.
Now, no single step is the silver bullet that will reverse the damage done by the bubble-and-bust cycles that caused our economy into this slide. It's going to take a full-scale effort, a full-scale attack that not only helps in the short term, but builds a firmer foundation that makes our nation stronger for the long haul. But this step will benefit small business owners and our economy right away. That's why it's got to get done.
There's no doubt we still face serious challenges. But if we rise above the politics of the moment to summon an equal seriousness of purpose, I'm absolutely confident that we will meet them. I've got confidence in the American economy. And most importantly, I've got confidence in the American people. We've just got to start working together to get this done.
Thank you very much.
While it is reassuring to hear the President speak out on the economy, I am still left somewhat wanting by his remarks. Over the weekend, I chatted with my good friend Norm Jensen who runs the free-thinking blog One Good Move and he remarked that Obama "knows how to give a campaign speech but doesn't know how to give a Presidential one." I think that's a fair assessment but Obama's problems in getting his message across seem deeper than that. If this is his clarion call to action, I suspect the response is going to be muted.
To begin with, I would prefer that the President framed the crisis not just differently but also more succinctly. This is not simply a decade long debacle attributable to George W. Bush, this is a 30 year crisis in the making that needs to be pinned on Ronald Reagan and his misbeggotten policies. I think it important to remember that Reagan didn't just run against Jimmy Carter, he ran against FDR. This entire mess has to be pinned on the GOP going back to Reagan, not for political reasons, but for economic ones. Give the devil his due, this is Reaganomics biting our collective butts.
The economic crisis that we are now living is not some cyclical event where the business cycle needs to work through excess capacity but a structural crisis that is a result of the purposeful assault on the American working class. In 1972, the CPI adjusted wages for the average worker was $738.48 per week. As of July 2010, that figure was $740. for the average American worker, the past forty years has been one of treading water hoping to keep his head above water. To maintain his lifestyle, the recourse has been to drown in debt. Meanwhile, the top one percent have seen their after-tax income triple since 1980 as a percentage of the nation's total income, while the bottom 90 percent have seen their share of the national income erode by 20 percent.
Now contrast that with the situation from 1945 through 1975. Family incomes grew virtually at the same rate in all sections of the population during the first three decades after World War II, with those of the poor growing slightly faster. The lowest fifth of American saw a 120 percent increase in their incomes, the second fifth witnessed a 101 percent rise, the third 107 percent, the fourth 114 percent and the fifth 94 percent.
There are a number of reasons as to why we are seeing the erosion of the American middle class to which I can point : the decline of organized labor, the erosion of the minimum wage, the shift from a manufacturing-based to a service-based economy, the transformation to a more globalized economy, and the lack of a progressive income tax. Except for the rise of globalization, the rest of these reasons are grounded in policy choices made over the past 30 years. They can be reversed.
We can strengthen our unions and the American working family by passing the Employee Free Choice Act, we can raise the minimum wage to $10.00 an hour, we can choose to have an industrial policy that encourages the manufacturing sector and we can return to the progressive tax structure that once governed this country.
James K. Galbraith, the noted economist at the University of Texas, has noted that "inequality produces unemployment while unemployment produces inequality." Policies that reduce inequality also reduce unemployment. Thus the Administration should concentrate on reversing the Bush tax cuts for the top decile and on passing the Employee Free Choice Act that will strengthen unions. But the President must speak forcefully and with conviction on the topic of economic inequality. Harry Truman once said, "A society will be judged by how it treats its weakest members." The President must stand up for the poor here and now because if the GOP returns to power, it's not a double dip recession that awaits us but a full blown depression. Because depressions are the natural outcome of Republican policies that favor the wealthy.
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The historic Rodgers Theatre is an icon of downtown Poplar Bluff. For nearly six years, locals have been working to restore the theater and keep history alive.
Saturday night, a legendary performer from here in the Heartland took the stage, just like he did the first time back in 1957.
Narvel Felts says after more than 50 years of performing, the Rodgers is still one of his favorite venues.
Saturday night, he performed music that dates back to the 1950's that still gets a huge round of applause, just like it did nearly 60 years ago.
Narvel Felts has performed these tunes all over the world, but he says there's nowhere like the Rodgers.
"Usually I tell the audience that I was here the first time in 1957," Felts said.
He tells KFVS News that audiences were a little different back then, but the old-time theater feel of the Rodgers never faded away.
"The girls the girls mobbed me and tore my clothes off," Felts said. "[The Rodgers Theatre] was packed and the people were wonderful to me."
It's a spirit that Felts says, as a performer, can't be replaced.
"I'm so glad it's back open and active," Felts said.
The theater was built in 1949. Board president Christy Fraizer-Moore says it first opened as a movie theater.
"I had my first date here way back when, and that's why the theater is so dear to me," Fraizer-Moore said.
Locals say the theater walls hold many memories. That's why, six years ago, they started restoring the Rodger's Theater.
"February of 2008, we've had our first Opry here at the Rodgers," Brent Davis said.
Davis books many of the performers at the Rodgers. He says the money made at the shows goes into the restoration project.
"Narvel has filled it up. Gene Watson filled it up. I believe Doyle Lawson filled it up. Mo Bandy came close a couple of times," Davis said.
They have some big names take center stage at the Rodgers, but Fraizer-Moore says they still have some big repairs yet to make.
"First and foremost, we are trying to replace the roof," Fraizer-Moore said.
Fraizer-Moore says they still have a long way to go in restoring the theater, but they say once it's complete, the finished product will be well worth a standing ovation….
Davis says they expect to have raised about 2,000 dollars from Saturday night's show. That money will go towards restoring the Rodger's Theatre.
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