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What is it?
The 1Sheeld is an Arduino shield that allows for smartphone sensor information to be used with an Arduino device.
The Verdict:
1Sheeld to rule them all! The 1Sheeld for Arduino is a must have component for beginners and advanced users alike. It's easy to use, easy to setup, and arms most Arduinos with a bevy of prototyping tools at their disposal. The bottom line is if you own a compatible Arduino and an Android device you should buy a 1Sheeld.
Anyone who's ever spent any amount of time with an Arduino knows of its seemingly unlimited potential. Arduino has an extremely large support community and because it's open source hardware, the number of ways you can expand are only limited by imagination. Buy an Arduino, and if you're anything like me you'll feel compelled to purchase many of the available shields add-on modules just to see what new possibilities exist. The cost of Arduino shields seem to increase based on their usefulness, so often times many of the cheaper shields you buy first simply get left out of any design when it comes to protect implementation time. What if "1 shield" could effectively replace the pile of shields you'd normally purchase during prototyping? Meet the 1Sheeld.
1Sheeld is a prototypers dream add-on. Using an Android device running 2.3+ and an awesome 1Sheeld app, your smartphone becomes your Arduino shields. 1Sheeld's job is to communicate between the Arduino and the Android. Using the built-in HC-06 Bluetooth module, 1Sheeld allows any available sensor in your smartphone to become a virtual shield, so that the sensor data can be used in Arduino sketches.
The 1Sheeld can serve as a GPS shield, Wifi shield, and most any other shield available today. In addition, it replaces smaller hardware components like LEDs, buttons, and buzzers. Want to design a sketch using a gamepad or keyboard? 1Sheeld makes this easy. Email, SMS, Facebook, and Foursquare implementation is a breeze thanks to the 1Sheeld.
With the power and flexibility the 1Sheeld affords, its easy to see an incredibly complex Android control app. I was frankly amazed at how clean and easy to use the app is. Upon first running the app, you're presented with a short tutorial, then a scan button that searches for 1Sheeld devices in the 30 foot range. Once a 1Sheeld is found, pairing is a single tap process. From there, the UI shows all of the available sensors the app has in a simple and clean manner. You can select which of the various sensors you would like to enable, and any sensors not available to the Android device are blocked immediately via toast notification. Once you've selected the sensors you want to utilize, a single button presents a screen where the selected sensors are displayed with their various values. The entire app interface is fluid, fast, and organized. There's even an included plugin for the powerful automation Android app Tasker. The available 1Sheeld library for Arduino is also top notch, with several example sketches for the various sensors the shield provides.
The 1Sheeld is designed to attach to the standard Arduino shield form factor. Connecting to an Uno or Mega is very easy. Compatibility issues do exist with Arduino's without the standard shield form factor. The 1Sheeld is also a pass-through shield, allowing access to the Arduino's input/output pins.
The Positive:
Powerful, flexible platform
Terrific Android app
Arduino library all but eliminates sketch implementation issues
Easy learning and setup process
Standard shield form factor
Tasker support
The Negative:
No current Apple support
Wont connect to Arduino's without the standard shield form factor.
The Verdict:
1Sheeld to rule them all! The 1Sheeld for Arduino is a must have component for beginners and advanced users alike. It's easy to use, easy to setup, and arms most Arduinos with a bevy of prototyping tools at their disposal. The bottom line is if you own a compatible Arduino and an Android device you should buy a 1Sheeld.
What is it?
The Portal Media Bluetooth TPMS module lets you monitor tire pressure wirelessly via Bluetooth.
The Verdict:
Portal Media's Bluetooth TPMS improves on the last generation of devices by allowing wireless communication via Bluetooth. The module is sleeker and reception appears improved. Once the kinks are worked out of the Android app, the Bluetooth TPMS module will be an awesome addition to any compatible car.
Quite a few years ago at mp3Car's first national car PC meet, I was lucky enough to win a prize for having as many as 19 USB devices connected to my car PC. The prize received was USB number 20, a car PC connected tire pressure monitoring system (TPMS) from Portal Media. Many years and several dead sensor batteries later, the device had served me well, but it was time for an upgrade. Luckily, the guys at Portal Media have been busy at work improving on their existing technology. For years it's seemed that the Bluetooth variant of their TPMS devices was simply an idea in our mp3Car forum, but the time has arrived, and the device really exists. I've been privileged to spend the last few weeks testing this new device out and getting to see if the wireless abilities actually improved the experience.
Let's get the obvious information out of the way first. The tire sensors required for the Bluetooth TPMS device must be professionally installed, so be sure to account for the cost of installation when considering this purchase. My cost was roughly $30/tire, but yours can vary. Also, as if this review, there is no Apple or Windows application that will work with the Bluetooth TPMS module. It's unknown whether this will be created by Portal Media in the near future, but as the mp3Car community is founded on the idea of tinkering and fitting square pegs in round holes, I'm sure solutions will exist shortly. Once the sensors are installed in the tires, the rest of the process of setting the system up is a breeze. The TPMS module is smaller and sleeker this time around, so it's easy to plug into any available 12v source and slide in a glove box or other compartment. It's recommended to install the device in a centralized location in relation to the tire sensors, but I've had far more success with reception despite installation location in comparison to the USB unit. Once the device is mounted and powered, the Android application will need to be downloaded from the Play Store. Once the app is installed, its time to begin the process of synchronizing the tire sensors to the Bluetooth module. Check out the video below on the steps required here.
The Android application for the Bluetooth TPMS is very easy to use. The user interface is very simple, and once the sensors are learned, it will quickly and accurately report sensor information. In the app settings, there are a large number of variables which control sensor alert notifications and display preferences. The app is not without faults though. I have the application installed on three of my Android devices; A Samsung tablet with QHD resolution, a Samsung smartphone with HD resolution, and the ODROID X-2 Android low resolution head unit. Each instance gives me a different take on the app. The smartphone displays the perfect scaling of text, buttons, and images. On the tablet, the buttons are very small and often a chore to press, and the vehicle image and text does not scale to make use of the added real estate. The ODROID's low resolution allows for the buttons and images to display correctly, but the text is too large for the bubble window it's presented in. Portal Media has acknowledged some of the drawbacks of the app, and is aggressively working to correct the issues.
Ultimately, the experience of being free of the installed car PC screen when dealing with my tire pressure is a much needed improvement. Rather than having to run back and forth between tires and the monitor to check pressure levels, I can take my tablet with me to each tire. I'll still receive alert notifications through my Android car PC, but the flexibility to use an additional screen when I choose is awesome.
The Positive:
Module has a sleeker and smaller profile
Tire sensor reception seems improved
Android ability allows for cross-device usage
Easy learning and setup process
The Negative:
No current iPod or Windows support
Android app is functional, but will need work
The Verdict:
Portal Media's Bluetooth TPMS improves on the last generation of devices by allowing wireless communication via Bluetooth. The module is sleeker and reception appears improved. Once the kinks are worked out of the Android app, the Bluetooth TPMS module will be an awesome addition to any compatible car.
What is it?
The MICO Shield is an Arduino add-on module which allows the Arduino to interface with a mobile phone.
The Verdict:
Provided you have a compatible Arduino device, the MICO shield can pull any vehicle closer to the connected car lifestyle with the power of a cell phone.
Most hardware DIYers have tinkered with or at least heard about the open source I/O powerhouse that is the Arduino. I've personally spent hours upon hours finding different methods to power on an LED from different Adruino add-ons, called "shields". The MICO shield just might be my favorite of the bunch as I feel its features can most likely be used with an Arduino installed in my vehicle.
As cute a name as MICO is, it really stands for Mobile Interactive voice response and COntrol. The premise is rather simple, connect the MICO shield to a cell phone headphone jack and MICO can answer any calls received. The real power in the MICO comes from what you can do with that call. MICO serves as an virtual operator to any number of functions.
MICO can tell you the temperature in the vehicle from its built-in thermosensor. MICO can read from a voltmeter connected to the Arduino and let callers know how much juice is left in the battery. MICO can be programmed to make a call when the car is located outside a geofence. MICO can also do, as shown here, where an Arduino-novice like me created a sketch to make MICO trigger my remote starter.
Installation of the MICO shield could not be easier. It simply plugs into the headphone jack of a cell phone. MICO answers calls in two different methods. The first method listens to the audio jack for ringing signal and answers after a configurable number of rings. There are two sets of jumpers on the device to allow MICO to listen in regardless of mic polarity. The second option depends on the cell phones ability to auto-answer, an option that is available on a great number of phones today. That being said, its important to know if your phone supports these methods to ensure compatibility. MICO also has an optional 2nd headphone jack which can be used to listen to what MICO is saying for testing purposes. The 2nd headphone jack does not however pass caller audio through.
MICO uses the Arduino SDK for its programming, so it's easy to adapt its features to your build. There's even handy example sketches to help get you started. To get much use out of this shield, you'll need to have a micro SD card, as the audible responses that MICO uses must be declared and saved as RAW audio files. MICO PCB is directly compatible with the Arduino Uno device, but sadly directly connect with the beefier Arduino Mega.
The Positive:
High quality add-on which allows arduino/cell phone interfacing
Compatible with most phones today
Uses Arduino SDK for programming ease and comes with helpful examples
Easy to create audible prompts for use and SD Card use allows for large variety of options
The Negative:
Not (yet) compatible with Arduino MEGA
Small number of phones will be incompatible
The Verdict:
Provided you have a compatible Arduino device, the MICO shield can pull any vehicle closer to the connected car lifestyle with the power of a cell phone.
The MICO shield for Adruino is available through the mp3Car store.
Check back soon for a video of the MICO device in action, as well as more blogs showing how the Arduino line of devices can be used to supercharge the connected car experience.
The MICO shield for Adruino is available through the mp3Car store.
Check back soon for a video of the MICO device in action, as well as more blogs showing how the Arduino line of devices can be used to supercharge the connected car experience.
What is it?
The Xenarc 700CSH is a 7 Inch display with a capacitive touchscreen input.
The Verdict:
Yes and yes! The Xenarc 700CSH's capacitive touchscreen sets it apart from other displays in the segment. The clear and precise overlay allows the quality of the monitors display to shine through any glare. The 700CSH proves that Xenarc has been watching, as it addresses most of the long-standing shortcomings of small display screens.
Whats in the box?
The Xenarc box comes with the touchscreen monitor, VESA mount, wall and car chargers, input cabling which includes HDMI/VGA/Composite video connections, a HDMI -> DVI adapter, full-function remote, instruction manual, and a cable locking clasp.
For a quick video of the unboxing for the 700CSH please click here.
Another year brings a another offering in the series of Xenarc 7 Inch monitors. The 700 series has seen its' share of small changes over the last few years, but nothing on the scale of the new 700CSH. This monitor shares the same physical dimensions as the older models, but offers so much more in the form of a beautiful capacitive touchscreen overlay.
The community here at mp3Car.com has long searched for a install monitor which attempts to draw us closer to the visual fidelity of today's smartphones and tablets. Like Xenarc, each competing brand attempted to fulfill the needs of the community with features like high-brightness displays and a greater set of available inputs, but each of the monitors were limited by the resistive touchscreen overlays. Resistive touchscreens will often mute the color of the underlying screen and disperse surface lighting in a manner which at times makes it dangerous to use while driving an automobile in the daytime. Capacitive touchscreen technology allows for more of the screen's natural tones to come through and focuses oncoming light rather than disperse it. The difference comparing the Xenarc 700CSH with a resistive model is truly night and day. Check out the following example showing the 700CSH when compared to last year's Xenarc. Both pictures were taken during similar lighting.
The improvements to the 700CSH didn't just stop at the touchscreen however. The display has received a bump up in native resolution. Instead of the 800x600 resolution we've come to expect, Xenarc has increased the 700CSH to 1024x600. The end result is a gorgeous display that does away with some of the pixilation seen on other models. It's still no Galaxy S4 or retina display, but the lines between have definitely been blurred. Car PC purists fear not, the 700CSH can still display between 800x480 and 1920x1080, PC willing. The brightness rating of 500nits and the contrast ratio of 400:1 are carryovers from prior models, but, because of the touchscreen, offer more bang for their buck.
Xenarc has carried over all of the luxury features from prior models. You can still expect to get things like auto-switching to a composite input, auto power-on, and auto-brightness via the on-board photosensor. The menu system of the 700CSH is more expansion, offering more control than older models. Options like audio-over-HDMI and input switching control are welcomed additions. The included remote is actually usable, as it allows for full operation of the device rather than a subset of functions. Xenarc advertises that the touchscreen will still operate even if a fingerprint or scratch protector overlay is used. Fingerprints almost seem more of an issue with this touchscreen, but I personally feel like it'd be a shame to do anything to alter the display quality.
The Positive:
The best display quality for the segment, bar none
Includes cable management options
Rock solid build quality
Fully functional remote included
The Negative:
Bezel is larger than competitors
The Verdict:
Yes and yes! The Xenarc 700CSH's capacitive touchscreen sets it apart from other displays in the segment. The clear and precise overlay allows the quality of the monitors display to shine through any glare. The 700CSH proves that Xenarc has been watching, as it addresses most of the long-standing shortcomings of small display screens.
Stay tuned for more photos, disassembly videos, pricing information, and availability on the Xenarc 700CSH
No matter what operating system you choose to control your automotive infotainment, software plays a heavy role in how the driver controls the solution. With Android, most every knows about the popular Google applications like Voice, Maps, and the Music, but someone venturing to install android as the heart of their car computer may not realize the power of the Google Play store in creating a terrific Android-Powered experience. The purpose of this post is to recognize some of the software products that provide functions to an automotive setup. So without further delay...
Car Home Ultra
I've mentioned this piece of software in prior posts, but it deserves recognition as a valued car Android software centerpiece. Car Home Ultra is a terrific solution for someone looking to access a host of android applications in a touch-friendly manner. Designed similarly to the Windows-based front ends we've all grown to love, Car Home Ultra may be the current best option to those looking for that experience. The buttons are large and touch friendly, allowing for 5 screens of 3x3 application launch buttons which can be customized to your liking. The colors can all be uniquely altered to match driver preference, and items like Speed, Weather, and Time/Date are all handy. Car Home Ultra can even be set to replace the Home launcher in Android. You can set the software to load on boot and use it exclusively to manage your android functions.
Tablet Talk
The would be hands-free solution for the ODROID. Short of creating a hands-free call link, Tablet Talk can do it all. The application must be installed on both your ODROID, and Android smart phone, but once the Bluetooth connection is made your Android car computer can send, receive, and manage your SMS messages. Users can select ringtones, receive text pop-up screens, and reply to texts via on-screen keyboard or voice. Tablet Talk will also ring for incoming calls, display incoming call prompts, and mute audio playback during a call. Keep in mind that with the ODROID, it can not play your caller through the audio system, based on lack of Bluetooth HFP profile support, but the app is still great!
Anyone who has ever thought about automating an Android has probably heard about Tasker. There are many ways in which Tasker can come in handy when installing an ODROID in the car. While not the most touch-friendly application, Tasker can be used to automate tasks large and small. Want to dim your screen at a certain hour? Tasker can handle it with ease. Tasker can also tackle small tasks with the ODROID, such as reducing power consumption by underclocking the CPU when a Bluetooth phone is not connected. Tasker can lift heavy duty scenarios too with built in scripting support.
MortPlayer Music
I used to really love Google Music... until I tried to use it in a car. The interface is beyond chaotic to try to navigate, and if you're looking to play media from local storage like an external USB drive you better have a computer science degree. Enter MortPlayer Music. Built for touch from the ground up, MortPlayer can give you access to all of your music on local media in a clean and easy to use manner. MortPlayer does not rely on a database for music sorting, it relies on the user to have a folder structure in place to make the most out of the music library. MortPlayer has built in support for playlists, ID3, cover art, and more. It can also be heavily customized with themes, movable buttons, and color options.
Other Android apps that rock include...
Tunein Radio Worldwide radio stations at your fingertips. Nice touch interface.
Torque Pro Incredible OBD-II/CAN all in one solution. Heavily customizable and Touch-friendly.
Waze Crowd Sourcing navigation and live traffic information, Waze can many times serve as a free-replacement to Google Maps
Beyond Podcast A great podcast downloader and manager allowing for streaming and offline support of your favorite shows
PL2303GPS MockLocationProvider If you have a Prolific-based GPS device such as the BU-353, you need this app to make the device work with Android!
Paragon Ntfs Mounter Users playing songs from external based storage will appreciate this app which will auto-mount USB media at boot or when its plugged in.
Have an Android app you'd like to add, please do!


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SAN DIEGO -- After spending the last five days in San Diego participating in the Padres' inaugural winter development program, Casey Kelly came to a conclusion about what he hopes will be his future professional home.
"I really don't want to leave," Kelly said Monday.
Kelly and a handful of other top Padres Minor League prospects are entering their second week of the program that is designed to help ease the transition to the Major Leagues when these players reach that level.
For Kelly, a right-handed pitcher obtained in December from the Red Sox in the deal that sent Adrian Gonzalez to Boston, he might not be too far off from a permanent stay in San Diego.
Kelly, rated as the 22nd best Minor League prospect by MLB.com, will open the season with Double-A San Antonio, where he'll begin his third season as a pitcher after moving from shortstop to the mound in 2009 while in the Red Sox organization.
1. Mike Trout, Angels |
2. Jeremy Hellickson, Rays |
3. Bryce Harper, Nationals |
4. Domonic Brown, Phillies |
5. Dustin Ackley, Mariners |
6. Aroldis Chapman, Reds |
7. Mike Moustakas, Royals |
8. Eric Hosmer, Royals |
9. Jesus Montero, Yankees |
10. Julio Teheran, Braves |
11. Desmond Jennings, Rays |
12. Kyle Drabek, Blue Jays |
13. Michael Pineda, Mariners |
14. Mike Montgomery, Royals |
15. Jacob Turner, Tigers |
16. Wil Myers, Royals |
17. Freddie Freeman, Braves |
18. Jameson Taillon, Pirates |
19. Zach Britton, Orioles |
20. Shelby Miller, Cardinals |
21. Mike Minor, Braves |
22. Casey Kelly, Padres |
23. Martin Perez, Rangers |
24. Manny Machado, Orioles |
25. Chris Sale, White Sox |
26. Brandon Belt, Giants |
27. Matt Moore, Rays |
28. Brett Lawrie, Blue Jays |
29. Jarrod Parker, D-backs |
30. Jonathan Singleton, Phillies |
31. Jordan Lyles, Astros |
32. Gary Sanchez, Yankees |
33. Tyler Matzek, Rockies |
34. John Lamb, Royals |
35. Manny Banuelos, Yankees |
36. Lonnie Chisenhall, Indians |
37. Jake Odorizzi, Royals |
38. Nick Franklin, Mariners |
39. Aaron Hicks, Twins |
40. Kyle Gibson, Twins |
41. Wilin Rosario, Rockies |
42. Jose Iglesias, Red Sox |
43. Tanner Scheppers, Rangers |
44. Dee Gordon, Dodgers |
45. Devin Mesoraco, Reds |
46. Brett Jackson, Cubs |
47. Chris Archer, Rays |
48. J.P. Arencibia, Blue Jays |
49. Yonder Alonso, Reds |
50. Christian Friedrich, Rockies |
In 2010, Kelly, now 21, was one of the youngest pitchers in the Double-A Eastern League. He had a 5.31 ERA in his first full season as a pitcher as he played shortstop and pitched in 2009 at two Minor League stops.
"Last year was a big year for me as far as trusting the process," Kelly said. "... It was a chance for me to go out there every five days and learn something new. I also learned how to deal with failure."
Kelly pitched 111 innings last season between Double-A and the Arizona Fall League. The Padres, as they did another of their young pitchers, Mat Latos, plan to monitor his innings and workload. They don't envision him exceeding 150 innings, but don't see why Kelly can't move fast through the system.
"The athleticism stands out. ... He does everything pretty easily on a baseball field," said Padres assistant general manager Jason McLeod. "He repeats his delivery; he is a guy that we see having three plus-pitches with command, someone who can possibly help anchor a rotation.
"It's up to him, but he has the talent to be here pretty quick."
First baseman Anthony Rizzo, who like Kelly was obtained in the Gonzalez deal, said Monday that he saw Kelly hit 97 mph a few times last season. Typically, though, Kelly's fastball sits around 89-93 mph. Kelly also has what scouts consider to be an advanced changeup and curveball for someone of his age and experience.
"It looks very effortless and his offspeed pitches are really sharp, too. The changeup, I think, is a great pitch," Rizzo said. "All he needs now is repetition."
How highly do the Padres think of Kelly?
"The deal was never going to get done without Kelly's inclusion," said Padres general manager Jed Hoyer last month after the deal was made.
"It's so hard to find affordable starting pitching in our market. Getting a guy that we feel can be in our rotation for a long time -- I think that he's an excellent fit for PETCO Park."
Corey Brock is a reporter for MLB.com. Keep track of @FollowThePadres on Twitter. This story was not subject to the approval of Major League Baseball or its clubs.

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With an average of more than 36,000 patients coming through its doors each year, Hudson Valley Hospital Center has one of the busiest Emergency Departments in Westchester. One reason is our reputation for the most advanced emergency care and our compassionate, award-winning Magnet nursing staff. Leading the way, our Emergency Department became the first in the region in 2005 to open a "No-wait" Emergency Department, offering bedside registration to reduce wait times. In June 2010, we doubled the size of our ER and expanded new Fast Track area so that less critical cases could be seen without taking a back seat to more urgent ones.
Our specially trained and accredited physicians and nurses are ready to deliver quality emergency care 24-hours-a-day, 365 days a year. We are a designated stroke center, meaning we have the expertise to administer the necessary care to prevent long-term disabilities.
Our new state-of-the-art Emergency Department features:
How does a no-wait ER differ from a traditional one? It's one where the patient skips the waiting room and is taken directly into a triage room, where they are medically assessed by registered nurses. Portable computers are used to register them as they are being seen by a doctor or nurse. Less critical patients – such as kids with cuts and bruises – can be pulled from the mainstream into a Fast Track area where they can get immediate care without taking a back seat to more urgent cases. Whenever possible, testing is done concurrently, to speed up the process.
Cortlandt Regional Paramedics (CRP) A pre-hospital emergency care program that offers the community Advanced Life Support Services delivered by Paramedics 24 hours a day. Their primary response area is the Town of Cortlandt and the City of Peekskill but also assist neighboring towns with mutual aide. These Paramedics work in cooperation with the local volunteer ambulance corps to improve outcomes before the patient arrives at the Emergency Department.
Cortlandt Regional Paramedics provides an Advanced Life Support First Response Vehicle (ALSFRV) to the local 911 system. In doing this, trained paramedics travel to patients in vehicles equipped with Advanced Life Support equipment. In most cases faster than the ambulance can get to the scene. Paramedics are able to triage patients in the field (including performing EKGs) and either send the patient with the BLS ambulance or perform Advanced skills to improve the patients medical condition. The Paramedic will also send information directly back to the hospital. Based on this vital information doctors receive from the Paramedics, the Emergency Department Physician can determine whether the patient should be transported to HVHC or be diverted to another care facility that is more appropriate.
The Entergy Emergency Center at Hudson Valley Hospital Center is equipped to deal with radiological emergencies that may arise in the event of an incident at Entergy's Indian Point Nuclear Plant. With a grant from Entergy, the hospital has constructed a decontamination room that can be used in the event that workers are exposed to radiation. Each year, HVHC, Entergy and EMS agencies participate in a radiological preparedness drill to make sure that the Hospital is prepared in case of an emergency. Workers affected at the plant would most likely be transferred to HVHC since the Hospital is the closest to the Buchanan nuclear plant.
Debbie Aglietti and her sons
"This no-wait ER is no joke. It's true to its name in every sense. I did not even sit down in the waiting room. I went to the window and was immediately taken in the back." Debbie Aglietti – ER patient – viral meningitis - Debbie Aglietti
When Debbie Aglietti found herself suffering with an intense headache that kept getting worse, she knew she needed help. And she knew just where to go: The no-wait ER at Hudson Valley Hospital Center. Debbie arrived at the ER on a Saturday afternoon, which can be a tough day to get fast help in most emergency rooms. Not at Hudson Valley.
Debbie was worried that an ER would think it was just a headache and not respond quickly. She was relieved to find out that at HVHC they took her pain very seriously.
Debbie was greeted at the door by a friendly nurse who took her insurance information, took her vital signs then immediately took her to a private room in the ER. Debbie was amazed by the prompt and thorough care she received. As soon as she was put into a room, she was seen by another nurse who did additional tests and brought her medication for the excruciating headache pain.
While all this was going on, Debbie's husband was dropping their son off at soccer practice. By the time he got back, Debbie had been seen by two nurses and a doctor, was totally pain free and was waiting for a neurological consult.
The ER doctors established that Debbie might have meningitis. She was given a spinal tap, right in the room in the ER. Within a matter of 10 minutes they were able to tell her it was positive. Debbie had viral meningitis. Less dangerous than bacterial meningitis, Debbie then spent several days at HVHC in a comfortable private room. A highly committed team of doctors and nurses helped make this painful experience a lot easier.
Debbie was amazed at the community effort amongst the ER team, and the staff of the hospital once she was admitted. Even the security staff who escorted her to her room were kind, caring and attentive. Everyone worked together for her…coming in to make sure the pain medication was helping, asking about her pain scale, one to ten, and getting her pain medication accordingly. Debbie said the way they care for patients, and care for each other is truly extraordinary. Today Debbie is back on her feet and moving as fast as ever in both her medically related career and as a wife and mom of two busy teen-aged boys. She is very enthusiastic in her praise of Hudson Valley Hospital Center:
"You really get that individual care that you want. In many hospitals you walk in an ER and there are lots people waiting hours to be seen by a doctor,'' she said. "Not at Hudson Valley. HVHC claims they practice a different kind of medicine called patientology. And they are true to what they promise. They take each individual and treat them as a person first, and then as a patient. It's very unique and I think it sets them apart. It's just like they say. It is a better place to get better."
"You really get that individual care that you want . In many hospitals you walk in an ER and there are lots people waiting hours to be seen by a doctor. Not at Hudson Valley. HVHC claims they practice a different kind of medicine called patientology. And they are true to what they promise. They take each individual and treat them as a person first, and then as a patient. It's very unique and I think it sets them apart. It's just like they say. It is a better place to get better."
Dr. Denise Rinato and her husband
Dr. Denise Rinato, an OB/GYN who lives in Somers and practices in Cortlandt, said she learned about the efficiency of the Hospital's "No Wait" Emergency Department first hand on March 24, 2010 when her husband had a heart attack.
"My husband woke up on his 52 birthday about 9:30 a.m. with chest and shoulder pain,'' said Dr. Rinato. "Even though we live in Somers, our doctor is here so I insisted we come to Hudson Valley. My husband's treatment could not have been better. Everyone was wonderful. He arrived at the hospital at 10:25 he was seen within 10 minutes and by 12 he had been taken to Westchester Medical Center and had a stent placed and was doing well.''


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Although for some folks, this might seem obvious, it's been a debated topic since the release of the BlackBerry 10 Dev Apha devices due to the fact they have the capability to work without a BlackBerry data plan attached to them. In the post to developers today explaining the differences between the BlackBerry Dev Alpha A and the BlackBerry Dev Alpha B, RIM confirmed BlackBerry 10
devices smartphones will need a BlackBerry data plan attached to them.
Should you decide to get a microSIM for your Dev Alpha, you do not need to have "BlackBerry Data" turned on for the account. Connectivity will be work with regular Internet access alone. There may be some carriers where data connectivity doesn't work, but Wi-Fi will work for you in that case. Please note that this is the case just for the Dev Alpha device and not BlackBerry 10 launch devices, which will need to have BlackBerry data on the wireless plan.
This is important because the data plans are a revenue stream for BlackBerry. On the last CrackBerry podcast we discussed how RIM will or will not continue to earn service revenue and now we know at least in the consumer market, BlackBerry data plans are not going to be going away with the launch of BlackBerry 10.
Whether or not those plans will differ from what we know now remains to be seen. RIM and carriers have been rolling out new options in terms of pricing and offerings as of late, so it's not unreasonable to see that trend continue with BlackBerry 10. Also worth noting, this doesn't apply to the WiFi PlayBook, since people asked. Thanks, mcmolineux!
Mr.Conviviality Oct 29, 2012 at 7:56 pm
First :)
digitalhomeboy Oct 30, 2012 at 12:36 am
What does being first have to do with the article? Why don't you read it and comment?
Great article would be a good start!
Eskibo Oct 30, 2012 at 2:50 am
Beat me to it by 6 hours! :(
igrar#IM Oct 30, 2012 at 11:49 am
I am using BlackBerry Unlimited Global Plan on BIS and hope to be able to continue using it on BlackBerry 10 since it is very convenient for a traveller like me. I used to be an iPhone user but I was shocked with the data roaming charges shown on my bill. So, BlackBerry is the best for SME
Graheem Oct 30, 2012 at 3:04 pm
This whole 'first' thing...wow. What, are you 6 years old? Not a slam just at you, Mr.Conviviality, but all you 'first' posters (except of course, those who are first, but don't narcissistically pronounce 'first!').
TheScionicMan Oct 30, 2012 at 4:16 pm
Completely wasted the "First!" post...
Fixed it for ya
BB_Bmore Oct 29, 2012 at 7:59 pm
Luxury tax to use BlackBerry. No biggie issue,every BlackBerry owner knows all about this.
Just bring 10 on already.
"Typed from the center of #Sandy"
Bobert_123 Oct 29, 2012 at 8:07 pm
I'm in zone A B*tches!!!
Bold_until_Hybrid_Comes Oct 30, 2012 at 10:07 am
Um its not an extra tax or cost. It just means you pay for BIS instead of a regular data plan.
max.ernst Oct 30, 2012 at 11:27 am
Not true, at least not here in Germany. A BB data plan costs ~5€ more per month than a comparable data plan without BIS.
That means that you have to add 5x24=120€ (~150$) to the price of your device - a device that very probably will be much more expensive than its Android competitors to begin with.
boldkeyboardholic Oct 30, 2012 at 4:15 pm
not to mentioned the limited options...
We need a contract with one of the four carriers. I did some "research"* and did not find a way to avoid that. Even prepaid BIS from some others didn't work. It was 4,90-5,80 per month for just the internet but no service books/no emails.
No 20-30 Euro for Data+voice+text plans available when you use a BB. (if anyone has some info for Germany here, please share ;) )
Using a O2o at the moment I could save 50% of my monthly costs if I could switch to "Deutschland SIM - Kostenlimit" or one of the others...
fred1266 Oct 29, 2012 at 8:01 pm
do the carriers sell the micro Sim or would i have to cut the Sim i currently use
extisis Oct 29, 2012 at 9:29 pm
they shouldn't charge for such things, if you have a plan with them. AT&T doesn't.
ferre_kun Oct 29, 2012 at 11:50 pm
carriers here open a pre order for micro sim card for iphone, while iphone is not selling that many here because of the over priced price tag lol
joyfulnoise5 Oct 30, 2012 at 2:30 pm
Hi Bla1ze,
As always, thank you for the great information. I'm not sure if the microSIM has anything to do with the limit that is placed on the number of SMS recipients a user can text to, and if it doesn't, please forgive my error. With regared to the data plan, for those of us who have unlimited, do you know whether RIM will remove the restriction they have set in place to appease the carrier's limits of "Only 10 Recipients Allowed"? If we (the BlackBerry Nation) are paying for unlimited data, and BlackBerry has historically been a device by which business and personal users were able to send SMS messages to the masses, I would hope that with BB10, RIM would go back to the basics on that one. Just a thought and a question I have yet to see asked or answered with regard to BB10.
maple_geek Oct 29, 2012 at 8:09 pm
I just hope that RIM and the carriers will lower the price of the BES data plans for BB10. I'm with Rogers and own my own device, but I want to be on the BES network for my work so I have to pay at least $20 extra per month. Ridiculous. I can get an iPhone or Android device and pay a lot less in data plans which is really annoying and hard to convert any collegues that want to own their devices.
Double_J75 Oct 29, 2012 at 8:13 pm
If there is BIS then it is safe to assume the data will flow through the NOC, and have data compression again? I wonder if that means we will have slightly slower data since it has to make an additional hop.
jonno_atamaniuk Oct 29, 2012 at 8:39 pm
Not likely, the NOC compresses data, meaning not only do we actually have a slightly faster speed of access, but also a less expensive bill at the end of the day (unless the carriers here in North America start charging more specifically for Blackberry access... which isn't likely).
diegonei Oct 29, 2012 at 11:06 pm
Sorry, but no. Put any BIS active BlackBerry device in 3G, no wifi, and do a head to head with any smartphone.
BIS forces the phone to go through the NOC before getting to the Internet and that is an added step.
Too bad, I was going to keep my data plan as it is (full unlimited BIS) but did hope for faster speeds for the average user.
ferre_kun Oct 29, 2012 at 11:56 pm
most likely yeah, since in US you have gigabytes/second of internet speed :p but for most of the world, it is still faster than regular speed ;)
i hope RIM will do something about it for you guys in fast connection countries ^^
Rootbrian Oct 31, 2012 at 1:31 am
They never measure it in Mega/GigaBytes because bits, the value is higher, but means nothing when looking at it in Bytes.
Branta Oct 30, 2012 at 6:39 am
The trade-off for keeping the NOC is data compression. That is an enormous cost benefit for international travellers who get stung with roaming charges. The extra cost of one month overseas can be more than most users pay for the rest of the year - but non-compressed devices will often run up 2-3x the charges for similar usage. I can live with a slight performance hit for that kind of gain.
Now wait for the dumbasses who say it doesn't matter because they never go out of state...
biggerCC Oct 30, 2012 at 8:45 am
Actually it is a disadvantage for me. I travel abroad regularly and what I tend to do is put my German SIM in a dumbphone (for calling) and buy some cheap prepaid SIM from the country I'm visiting for my smartphone (which currently is a Sony Xperia S). That costs me less than 30 US$ (unlimited data, texting and voice included for 30 days) in most European countries, which is less than what I would have to pay my provider for using BIS abroad (with only a ridiculously small amount of data included).
ferre_kun Oct 30, 2012 at 1:29 pm
Then I'm sorry for you that your carrier being a cheapskate (or whatever the term is) by not giving yot better plans. That is on your carrier though, not RIM :)
What I think RIM may be able to do is working with carriers all over the world to allow travelers keep using their BIS while travelling abroad, by using local carrier/partner. That way travellers won't be charged with roaming fee. Or so I wish :p
ewakil12 Oct 29, 2012 at 8:13 pm
So no BBM on Wi-FI :(
Bold_until_Hybrid_Comes Oct 30, 2012 at 10:09 am
No that's not what this is saying. It means its going to stay the same as we have right now. If you have BIS and go somewhere with wifi and turn mobile network off, BBM will still work via wifi.
Fr3lncr Oct 29, 2012 at 8:13 pm
I was hoping that at least for regular consumers (non-enterprise), you wouldn't have to be on the BIS and could just use a regular data plan. It's not so much for cost (as they are the same at least for me) but for ease of use. There are really no benefits for the average consumer to be on BIS that I can see.
cjcampbell Oct 29, 2012 at 8:33 pm
It may be inconsequential, but I appreciate the fact that what I send using my phone is my business and nobody else's. It may not be a matter of corporate or national security, but it is what I consider private, and I feel better knowing that I will still be a part of the secure BB network.
biggerCC Oct 30, 2012 at 8:49 am
You mean the "secure BB network" that RIM grants every government asking for access to?
For example India, Saudia Arabia, ... (http://www.reuters.com/article/2010/10/01/us-blackberry-idUSTRE6900FC201...)
How can that better be than an encrypted connection to your self-hosted mail server?
amaccuish Oct 30, 2012 at 11:20 am
However, if using BES, all data is encrypted and can't even be accessed by RIM... Governments only get access to BIS data
cjcampbell Oct 31, 2012 at 9:11 am
RIM doesn not grant every government access. That particular case was the only way they were going to be able to launch blackberry there as it was the only way they could appease the laws of the land. In the "free world", that is not the case.
jonno_atamaniuk Oct 29, 2012 at 9:11 pm
BIS compresses data as well... if you ever travel to another country, your data roaming charges are significantly lower... I see that as good reason right there :)
primusd Oct 29, 2012 at 9:25 pm
+1 for that. I travel all the time with data and manage to keep my charges well in check. I know others that use travel packs on their igadgets and consume them with a few days of use.
Bold_until_Hybrid_Comes Oct 30, 2012 at 10:11 am
+1. I'm in germany right now and got a vodafone SIM with 200mb. God forbid I would have had to purchase who knows how much data if I had an iphone
BoldPreza Oct 29, 2012 at 8:16 pm
I for one am happy about this as I see the value of compressed data when I look at my monthly usage and the fact I don't need more than 500MB of data per month.
cjcampbell Oct 29, 2012 at 8:25 pm
I was just going to say that. I haven't ever come close to using the "whole" 500MB that I pay for. The added cost for the data compression through BIS pretty much compensates for the extra cost for subscribing to a larger data plan..... that, and it's running through a secure and encrypted server so I feel better about that too.
Plazmic Flame Oct 29, 2012 at 8:24 pm
So technically... carriers will still be able to lock a devices pin if it gets delinquent? Is this related??
I've been burned a few times buying BBs second hand and would really like to see an end to that...
Rootbrian Oct 31, 2012 at 1:44 am
You bought a stolen blackberry those few times and didn't think twice to meet at a carrier store to verify if it wasn't blacklisted due to being reported lost/stolen.
vpodgurschi Oct 29, 2012 at 8:42 pm
How is that going to work for the Playbook?
axllebeer Oct 29, 2012 at 10:40 pm
I would like to know this as well....
OneGreenFerrigno Oct 30, 2012 at 12:25 am
I'll tell you this much. If our wifi only Playbooks don't get bb10, I'm gonna drench it in gasoline, set it on fire and go buy a Android tablet. We better get it.
boldkeyboardholic Oct 30, 2012 at 2:17 am
Of Course Not. I'm in too
Bold_until_Hybrid_Comes Oct 30, 2012 at 10:13 am
Its going to get bb10. That hasn't changed with the knowledge of this article. What now is the question is how a wifi only device will get bbm when you can only get bbm with bis
my.usernamegoeshere Oct 29, 2012 at 8:49 pm
The longer this bb10 wait takes the less I like what's coming.
It feels to me that bb10 is going to resemble anything but a Blackberry. I hate cuting and pasting on my playbook, the lack of native applications even a year and a half after being introduced. I'm tired of the cryptic error messages often shown on the browser and the fact that some major websites like ESPN show messages like "the playback of this video is not authorized on this device" or whatever.
My carrier doesn't carge extra for a BIS data plan, but that's not the same for every user.
RIM, it's no longer 2005. How can you expect to regain some marketshare share by adding an extra fee to your devices?
Last friday I swaped one of my blackberries from the old nextel network to a cheap android and plan to stay with my 9930 for some time.
xtremesniper Oct 29, 2012 at 8:54 pm
Most (if not all) of your complaints are PlayBook OS specific and will not be applicable on BB10 (especially the lack of native apps, which was very clearly a PlayBook OS problem since they relied too much on Adobe AIR).
I haven't seen a carrier charging more for a BIS data plan in years, and in a lot of cases it ends up being even cheaper than most typical data plans because carriers know that BB data is compressed and won't use as much.
I wouldn't worry too much about this news, given that to the end user it will mean almost no difference. The carrier rep just has to enter a different data plan code for BBs, as they currently do.
I'm shocked.
For a consumer, RIM no longer command a price premium for its BIS data plan. How can RIM hope to claw back market share if its monthly fee is much higher than comparable Android/iPhone data plans?
***I was hoping to get a BB10 device without a BIS data plan.
As another poster said, this looks less and less like the BlackBerry we liked and stayed loyal to. (No TrackPad pointpoint editing of text? etc.)
RIM risks throwing the baby out along with the bath water.
Rootbrian Oct 31, 2012 at 1:47 am
No, they aren't. If you want a blackberry, pay for the data plan if you want data.
Also, CARRIERS SET THE PRICE FOR DATA PLANS. RIM doesn't.
BlackJack-21 Oct 29, 2012 at 8:52 pm
Bring on Unlimited Data plans at competitive prices here in Canada's Westcoast. No Caps, No Overusage, No Searching for free Wifi. Make my life simple. One solid bill statement each month, with data that I don't ever have to worry about.
P.S will purchase BB10 outright if unlimited data plan is NOT offered. Otherwise will using free Wifi, it's everywhere you go.
Rootbrian Oct 31, 2012 at 1:48 am
Ask the big three that.
annon91221 Oct 29, 2012 at 9:03 pm
I do not care if they have BIS for bb10, what I do care about is when BIS network ever goes down they are able to switch the phones to regular internet at least as a back up. I have suffered one of the outages and without even being able to go on internet is a nightmare in that situation.
sk8er_tor Oct 29, 2012 at 9:13 pm
The BlackBerry logo on the top right of the screen during BlackBerry World gave that away.
I'm glad for BIS as well. Push and other services are what make BB great and efficient (and I'm not only talking about push email).
Andrew4life Oct 29, 2012 at 9:25 pm
I'm really getting fed up with RIM and their proprietory internet and apps.
You see, I'm on Rogers Prepaid, which means I don't have a data plan. (I'm a very light phone user and I don't call or use data a lot. I usually text a lot).
I like BB phones, but some of their apps won't work unless you have a BIS plan, e.g. twitter, facebook, etc.
I only know one or two people who have BBM, so that isn't worth getting for me.
I have been a strong defender of RIM for numerous reasons, but come BB10, if their phones are going to lock me out just because I don't have BIS, then it's not really my choice of whether I should get a BB or not. They kind of made the choice for me...............
Is it finally to take the plunge and go Android or try out Windows 8?
RubberChicken76 Oct 29, 2012 at 9:34 pm
Proprietory apps? You mean like every other platform out there? iOS, Android, Windows Phone, BlackBerry 10 ... all have said types of apps!
Generally, the rule of thumb with mobile phones is that you need a 'mobile data plan' to go with them.
Andrew4life Oct 29, 2012 at 11:04 pm
No,because on every other platform you can use the apps over wifi, but not on the Blackberry. Apps created by RIM, lock you out unless you have a BIS. In fact, even with a data pass(non-BIS data), I cannot access the twitter or Facebook apps, I have to have specifically "BlackBerry Internet Service data".
It's the same crap that we have to deal with like phones that are locked to specific carriers. I buy a phone and I expect to be able to use it like everyone else. Meaning if my friend on Android can use the twitter app over wifi or with "normal data", I expect to do that with my BlackBerry.
zander2652 Oct 30, 2012 at 1:31 pm
I'm currently an iphone user but I'm waiting to buy BB10. I'm wondering why would RIM not make BB10 phones that will require BIS and at the same time allow their apps to be used over wifi when the user chooses to do so? All the other smartphones would let users use their apps over wifi so why not also BB10? I'm not sure I understand why RIM won't allow their users that option.
I'm sure people would still buy BB data plans because users won't always have wifi access everywhere. I mean all the iphone and android users still pay for data plans even though they can use their apps over wifi. Right?
Rootbrian Oct 31, 2012 at 1:53 am
It's the developers who made the apps, who can choose if they want their apps to use BIS only, cellular only, bis and cellular only, or cellular data and wifi.
RIM doesn't make the third party applications or set rules for what protocols they use to access data.
Rootbrian Oct 31, 2012 at 1:50 am
App developers set the protocols the apps use, NOT RIM. Blame the developers for that.
biggerCC Oct 31, 2012 at 3:35 am
As an active BB10 developer I can tell you that there currently is no way of setting a channel for data. If BIS will be required for the final hardware it's everything but the developer's fault.
Check out the API documentation for verification: e.g. https://developer.blackberry.com/cascades/reference/qnetworkaccessmanage....
I'm currently even using the BB Push services in one of my apps without any BIS active. It (currently) works great with every SIM card or via WiFi. There's no flag "over BIS only"...
arhcangel Oct 29, 2012 at 11:13 pm
Try popping a SIM with a voice only plan into just about any smart phone in the US these days and your next bill will have a note informing you they have upgraded your plan to accommodate your smart phone. They do not allow voice only plans on data capable devices!? I have seen it on both AT&T and Verizon.
Andrew4life Oct 30, 2012 at 10:11 am
I don't know about the US, but I have never heard of that in Canada. We are free to switch our phones at any time as long as it is compatible with the carrier (proper frequency), and it is not locked. Regardless of what plan we have. They might tell you that you need a data plan to fully use the phone, but they don't automatically upgrade you and charge you.
I am also speaking purely about Rogers prepaid right now, where Rogers forces you to get a monthly plan if you want to get BIS data. You can pay for a data pass, but that will do you no good for apps like twitter and facebook. Browser still works, but sometimes apps are just easier than having to use the browser.
Rootbrian Oct 31, 2012 at 1:58 am
Well, you've got to complain to rogers about that. When the facebook or twitter applications were made, the developers chose to make it use BIS data. RIM didn't.
Oh and as far as I know, twitter and facebook both work via wifi. If you want a better application, there's always Ubersocial (formally Ubertwitter), which the developer gives users the choice (in the options) to choose between any protocol used to access data, and it works with wifi. There is both a free and a paid version, you don't need Appworld or BIS to use it either. Launch the browser, search for ubersocial for blackberry using bing/yahoo/google (depending on default search engine selected), download it from the site.
marko868 Oct 29, 2012 at 9:48 pm
Disappointing should be able to work wi-fi only like EVERYBODY else already can.
Bold_until_Hybrid_Comes Oct 30, 2012 at 10:16 am
And EVERYBODY else uses 3x the data
biggerCC Oct 29, 2012 at 10:24 pm
This is really sad news. Over here in Europe you can get unlimited voice & data for as low as 20 Euros (US$ 25) per month. Many carriers do not offer BBIS or charge an absurd amount for offering it.
Being the average customer I see the two options:
- buy an iPhone or Android device
- get a BlackBerry and pay up to 50% more for being able to basically access the same features.
That probably won't work very well here. Customers (not talking about companies) simply won't pay more than than they would with the "established" smartphone players...
I was really hoping, RIM would change this policy (see PlayBook). Now I should consider selling my few symbolic company shares, simply because I think this news is a deal-breaker and will stop the company from becoming successful in the consumer market (again)...
cjcampbell Oct 30, 2012 at 12:00 am
If you currently have a blackberry, there is no change from what was announced to what you have now.
boldkeyboardholic Oct 30, 2012 at 2:13 am
Yeah But This Is Bad enough. AT least here in Germany. BIS sucks because You Can Use only expense contracts directly with One of The Four carriers.
I pay Over 200, More likekly 300 Euro per year More then I would because I can't Use One of The 20-30 EUR full Data, voice, Text Plans. I pay Over 50.
In Germany BIS Is The biggest issue with blackberrys.
Rootbrian Oct 31, 2012 at 2:01 am
It's the biggest issue with carriers overcharging for BIS when people choose BlackBerry.
biggerCC Oct 30, 2012 at 8:55 am
I used to have a BB, but moved to Android about a year ago, simply because I didn't see any progress in the RIM product line.
The positive result was that I ended up paying about half of what I used to, because without the requirement for BIS, I was able to chose my contract from every provider or reseller out there.
So, switching back to BB10 probably won't work for me and I'm one of the (probably few) guys that were actually waiting eagerly for the new OS. How should they persuade some happy iOS user who never used a BB before to exchange their handset and actually pay more?
Rootbrian Oct 31, 2012 at 2:02 am
Not RIM.
boldkeyboardholic Oct 30, 2012 at 2:06 am
Yeah that was it for me. When I have enough of My 9900 I will leave that bad contract I Have and Use One of The a Lo cheaper full Plans of The many Option you Have here in Gwermany when you habe Not a BB...
This sucks.
Maybe I'll Have a deeper Look Into The new LG Nexus...
Bold_until_Hybrid_Comes Oct 30, 2012 at 10:18 am
50% more cost (if true) but you get 300% better data use/compression...
boldkeyboardholic Oct 31, 2012 at 2:19 am
Data compression Is Over rated. You can't reduce The size of a youtube Video Or a jpg File (Not much To nothing)
And with The webkit Browser its also Not much Data compression on "real" sites.
But This impact a Data Plan much More As 1000 Standard emails.
I Have AT lest EDGE/2G with 200+kbits and usually 1mbit bandwidth.
and BTW I can't Upgrade My current Data Plan For The BB Or It's just so expsenive, 20 Euro/26uSD For 800MB...
In The mentioned Options when I wouldnt need BIS its also much much cheaper. 20 Euro Is 5GB There Most of The Time. 1GB Max. 10 Euro.
Your Point Is wrong, As I mentioned I'm Not in US Or Canada.
Rootbrian Oct 31, 2012 at 2:03 am
You can thank the carrier for overcharging for BIS services. DON'T BLAME RIM. It's NOT their fault.
Rootbrian Oct 31, 2012 at 2:00 am
Blame the carriers, not rim.
biggerCC Oct 31, 2012 at 3:40 am
I blame RIM because they force us (and the carriers) to rely on BIS. Why not make it optional for those who really are into "data compression" (which is far less effective than advertised) and BIS (not BES) "security" (which is by no means better than an end-to-end encryption).
Stychill Oct 29, 2012 at 10:42 pm
i was hoping to be able to use bbm on wifi the way i can with my storm 2, but i guess if i upgrade then i have to leave that behind
Bold_until_Hybrid_Comes Oct 30, 2012 at 10:20 am
You can still use bbm on wifi. I don't know where people are getting this from its going to be the same as now. If you have BIS SOMEWHERE you can use it on wifi only elsewhere, or at home too.
Shadberry Bold Oct 29, 2012 at 10:59 pm
How about carriers bringing back unlimited data exclusively for BB10 devices?!?!?!?!?! Let's say $30 for consumers $50 for enterprise!!!!!!!!
Vic_Franklyn Oct 30, 2012 at 12:17 am
Do you (or anyone else) know if you have to have a data plan for the wifi only Playbook? Playbook is wifi only, so how will Playbook get BB10 if you can't have a carrier? Does this mean no BB10 for wifi Playbook?
I'd rather be a Black Sheep than an iSheep any day.
OneGreenFerrigno Oct 30, 2012 at 4:05 am
If this shit happens then it means bb10 for the 3g Playbook but no bb10 for us wifi PLaybook users. bb10 best be there for us wifi Playbook customers and if is isn't then Blackberry better design its tombstone now as this shit will drive there stocks through the floor and kill them. Bye bye RIM :-(
Rootbrian Oct 31, 2012 at 2:06 am
Where did you get that from? WIFI PLAYBOOK DOESN'T NEED A DATA PLAN.
koolrosh Oct 30, 2012 at 8:31 am
I was thinking the same thing. RIM should work with carriers to bring unlimited data exclusively for BB phones. Since data is compressed, people will probably be using less data than current limits.
The benefits of BIS will then be easier to explain to those users. I think RIM should also provide an App that shows how much data you've used and how much data you have "saved" because of the compression.
ferre_kun Oct 30, 2012 at 9:20 am
I am luckier than you then, all carriers here at my place provide unlimited data plan for blackberry from $7 to $12 per month (but not include streaming :p).
If I'm not wrong until now there's only one carrier that provide limited streaming for blackberry. Cheapskate carriers, won't give me ability to stream without having to connect to wifis lol.
Rootbrian Oct 31, 2012 at 2:08 am
It's been said more than once time and time again... THE PLAYBOOKS, ALL OF THEM, WILL GET BLACKBERRY 10!! WHERE are you getting that misinformation from?
TheScionicMan Oct 30, 2012 at 4:30 pm
$50 for enterprise? We only pay $20 for unlimited smartphone package now...
PostMortem Oct 30, 2012 at 12:26 am
Anyone that was thinking otherwise was just setting themselves up for disappointment. I mean, that's where they get the bulk of their income.
My biggest gripe from using a BlackBerry was that I couldn't use most of the apps without having a BlackBerry plan. I soon got over it because of the benefits it gives me, but I'm still not happy about it.
For those out there who say that you need a Data plan on any smartphone, that is not true. If you buy an Android or iPhone outright or have one laying around after upgrading to a new phone, you can still use the apps that require data by just connecting to via WiFi. We can't do that with most apps on a BlackBerry when you just have WiFi.
Alas, I will continue to use my BlackBerry phones until I can find something that works better for me and so far it is not Android or iPhone. I
koolrosh Oct 30, 2012 at 8:40 am
As long as BB plans are cheaper people rather be connected rather than using Wifi. Nowadays, most apps need a connection in order to work and many people that I know that use Wifi-only iPhones are looking at getting a plan, even a small 100 MB plan just so they can use things like Maps, Instant Msging Apps, etc. Things that don't use much data but do not work without a connection.
So BIS won't be a problem if it comes with BB specific plans.
Rootbrian Oct 31, 2012 at 2:10 am
It's developers who chose what protocols their apps can or can't use. RIM doesn't set those rules.
PostMortem Oct 30, 2012 at 12:27 am
-Double post.
ugbadboy Oct 30, 2012 at 1:41 am
For me, this is honestly good news! A "social package", no Push mail on your BB is about $8 a month for unlimited data, (that's a prepaid fee, voice and SMS are charged separately), and it covers all my internet needs once you put my PlayBook in the equation. Am averaging about 2-3 GB a week of data, and for the similar 3GB a month for "normal data" you're paying up to $32, its a massive saving in the long run!
Am glad they are keeping BIS around!
boldkeyboardholic Oct 30, 2012 at 1:57 am
Thanks Now i Can Go without doubts/Bad feelings.
I will Never Ever let Reduce My Options with carriers because of something like BIS anymore. Not with a new Device.
BIS Is so bad supported in Germay, It runs only on the carrier directly not on chaeper/better priced
Also I woudn't want To Have a brick when RIMs Server will/might shutting down.
So bye '(
Rootbrian Oct 31, 2012 at 2:13 am
Well, goodbye and good riddence. You could have just called your carrier and asked that they give you a better deal. Blaming RIM because developers chose to make their apps not use wifi, is narrow minded.
See you in wherever you'll be going.
felberry83 Oct 30, 2012 at 2:26 am
I don't understand those complains about the BIS:
1. With my BIS I have access to unlimited web browsing, downloads and uploads(yes i downloaded up to 5Gb of software, music, video,documents ...) emails, facebook, i even watched the blackberry jam americas keynote on my small curve 3g without any additional fee!
2. In Wifi mode, I can still use bbm, and all others blackberry apps (facebook, twitter, etc) without any stress!
So, as for me BIS on bb10 it's a good news...unlimited internet access for a small amount per month.
*Blackberry By Choice till I Die*
musical1806 Oct 30, 2012 at 3:05 am
Wow....I have never had a BB phone without BIS. Didn't even enter my head to try. Is it a deal breaker? Nah as long as i dontneed a special case to make it work and the maps are good lmao. Every phone has its +ves and -ves people. Just deal with it. Consumers dont give a flying fudge about bis. Heres your phone, it costs x per month, are you happy, yes, sold. So stop with the doom and gloom.
Now BB10 on PB. That shit best be there. Maybe thats one of the reasons for the delay, having to code a wifi only BB10 for PB. Otherwise that will be a deal breaker..
See how annoying selecting on a touch only device is, well I love my trackpad. It is a must on the qwerty phones. Just make the damn thing taller to match the touch only device and leave my damn buttons alone.
As for BB10 and BIS its +ve out way the few negatives and imho.... If your only complaint is you Can't afford it you shouldn't have it. Sorry but people who get shit done usually EARN.
As much as I want BB10 to be a success I don't want, need, or require another Apple clone. I want a keyboard (with trackpad), I want security (BIS/BES), I want a mobile communications solution.
Do I need a super fantastic camera solution? No I have a state of the art camera.
Do I need "retina" displays in my pocket, no I have a state of the 50" plasma.
Do I need a complete mobile gaming solution? No if I did I would buy one........
Do I need the best mobile communications solution? Yes and in my opinion I have it with my BB/BIS combo and it just needs to keep getting better (mobile printing solution would be good)
Am I a fanboy? No I am a BB user.
Rant over
OneGreenFerrigno Oct 30, 2012 at 3:46 am
@musical1806 said...''Now BB10 on PB. That shit best be there. Maybe thats one of the reasons for the delay, having to code a wifi only BB10 for PB. Otherwise that will be a deal breaker..''
I'll tell you this much. If RIM doesn't give us bb10 for our wifi Playbooks I'm literally taking it to my backyard, drenching it in gasoline and setting it on fuckin fire then going out and getting the best 7 inch ice creme Android I can.
No way Blackberry is stupid enough to do this shit to us. There's a ton of us wifi Playbook users out here. They do that to us and lose us as customers thats gonna be hell to pay for RIM when they go tits-up.
Rootbrian Oct 31, 2012 at 2:17 am
LISTEN HERE!!! BLACKBERRY 10 WILL BE ON THE PLAYBOOK!!! Didn't you read the blogs?
snowsquirrel Oct 30, 2012 at 3:37 am
This is just about a deal breaker for me. I already have buyer lined up for my HTC One X on BB10 launch. I am ready to rejoin the BB fold. Everything have seen and heard about the platform has been good to me. But not this.
The 3G speeds on my BB very slow compared to 3G (HSPDA+) speeds on my other devices. It is especially noticeable when tethering, as then the slowness can't just be blamed on the browser.
The shite known as BIS is also apparent when I am on a rockin fast wi-fi connection, and some of my apps seem to be chugging along slowly when accessing the internet. This is because the are continuing to use BIS, even though Wi-Fi is available to them.
With BB OS 4 through 7 dev's could (had to) specify what type of connection you want. It was kind of a PITA, and I suspect most dev's just said "we'll keep it simple and always use BIS".
I wouldn't be surprised if this info proves to be incorrect, or RIM backs off on it. When they are trying to regain market share, the last thing they should be doing is placing restrictions on both carriers and users.
Why rule out customers that only want voice, and get their data via wifi? A lot of parents do that for their kid's phones. I often have my sim in another phone I am testing out, and this would mean my BB10 devices is a brick with the sim out. An iPhone or Android device is only missing voice without the sim.
I think a lot of carriers won't want the overhead of running BIS servers anymore. They used to be a BIG moneymaker for them, as they just marked up the operating cost and passed it on to the customer. But now most customers won't stand for an extra cost, and will just get a different device meaning carriers won't be able to pass on that cost anymore, and thus will be eating that cost. They aren't going to like that, and will push back on RIM. BES is another scenario, and their may be a case for it being valid.
Another reason is the all bad publicity RIM has recently received over their BlackBerry network services going up and down like a whores pants.
Really, there is just so many reasons that this is a bad idea, if RIM is to survive they have to see it. They only reason to keep BIS is cash flow. But I think using that reason is very short sighted, and will end up costing them customers.
Bold_until_Hybrid_Comes Oct 30, 2012 at 10:25 am
+1 for already having a buyer lined up for your android.
snowsquirrel Oct 30, 2012 at 3:42 pm
LOL. nice.
amaccuish Oct 30, 2012 at 4:34 pm
Unless you're using an app like Tether, tethering data doesn't go through BIS, and so your tethering speeds are not afftected by the speed of BIS. If you're getting slow data speeds while tethering, then your device or carrier network is slow in itself, nothing to do with BIS.
pacman84 Oct 30, 2012 at 4:36 am
Most of my friends straight up laugh at me when I tell them I have to pay 5 € extra every month, just to use a BlackBerry. I was hoping this would change with BB10... This is a huge mistake on RIM's side, if you ask me.
biggerCC Oct 30, 2012 at 8:29 am
Not only that you have to pay extra, but many users don't even have the option of getting the BIS option on their contract or with their prepaid SIM.
Rootbrian Oct 31, 2012 at 2:20 am
That only applies to ROGERS. Not WIND or bell, or fido, or telus.
Rootbrian Oct 31, 2012 at 2:19 am
No, this is what carriers do. NOT RIM.
jic999 Oct 30, 2012 at 7:35 am
Just hope the screen on the N- Device ( Qwerky ) is bigger then what it is shown. The Victory leak picture of the Qwerky phone has the screen at 3.25inch , I would like more in the 3.50 inch.
Then you have a power BB10
ferre_kun Oct 30, 2012 at 7:50 am
for those of you who have BIS-related complaints, you should know that BIS is one of two major income for RIM, the other is the device sales. And BIS is what makes realtime connection is possible without you have to pay expensive for continuous & realtime connection. Different with most of any other apps on other platform. most of them are not realtime connection, but on demand. which only will cost you if you use it.
so if you want to be able to use blackberry's realtime connection apps on regular data connection (not BIS), be prepared to be charged more by your carriers as it is not within the contract between RIM and your carriers. BIS is a special line only for blackberry on any carriers who have signed contract with RIM, so the user can get realtime connection 24/7 for some amount of monthly fee.
if what you want is to be able to use blackberry's realtime apps over wifi, you are wanting to make RIm lost some income needed for it's operation. you want RIM to die.
if you want to be able to use realtime connection apps on regular data connection but don't want to be charged for continuous use of the connection even when you're not using it, there is no way any carrier will give you that. they will be stupid if they do that.
if what you complain is the slow connection of BIS, that's not on RIM, but your carriers. The stability of your carrier's 3G connection is depending to your carriers. not RIM.
biggerCC Oct 30, 2012 at 8:35 am
Interesting arguments. However: How many users are willing to pay extra to "keep RIM alive". I mean: push services, come on. Everybody in the market has push capabilities built-in nowadays. They might not be super-compressed, but who cares? 3G and 4G are capable enough for solid push services on both the iOS as well as the Android side and (more or less) unlimited data is a bargain - at least over here in Europe.
What scenarios do you need push for?
Mails for sure - but that's supported on every platform now. And BBM of course, where so many alternatives have grown recently like the platform-independent WhatsApp.
ferre_kun Oct 30, 2012 at 9:50 am
I think it's either I didn't explain clearly or you didn't read it carefully.
I wasn't talking about the push application but more on the connection. Yes, blackberry is not the only brand who have push apps, but is there a better push apps than what's on blackberry? I don't think so, because blackberry operates on a special line, BIS. Which allow you to be connected continuously 24/7 without having to pay the regular data connection fee. While if you use push apps on regular data connection, you will be charged more expensive than if you're on BIS, unless you're on carrier's unlimited data plan (which I can't understand why you don't want BIS that also have unlimited data plan here at where I live,but you want to use carrier's unlimited data plan).
Sure you can subscribe to regular unlimited data plan, but that mean you cut one of RIM's income and give it in full to carriers. While what RIM get from BIS is also shared with the carriers. You kill RIM if you want BIS to be erased. Oh if where you live doesn't have carriers that provide unlimited data plan for blackberry, go bug your carriers to give you blackberry unlimited data plan. Because it's on the carriers, not on RIM.
And, if you look at most of the complaints, it's mostly not about rejecting BIS so they can use carrier's data connection, but they want to be able to use wifi,like what most android user do. And as I've already explained, you will (slowly) kill RIM if you want that. You want blackberry but you want to kill RIM?
biggerCC Oct 30, 2012 at 11:07 am
Do Samsung, HTC, Apple and all the others die from not getting a piece of the carrier's pie? I don't think so.
Regarding the BIS push/network quality: If I put a BB Bold (3G) next to my Sony, the Android phone tends to receive incoming (corporate as well as GMail) mails a couple of seconds faster. Not to mention the browsing speed/experience. I also didn't experience WhatsApp to be slower than BBM. Furthermore the Sony also works when I plug any foreign prepaid SIM in when travelling abroad. And it continues to works when - for any reason - the BB infrastructure is down once again.
24/7 data was expensive the old days. But nowadays "regular" (non-BIS) browsing is really cheap - if not already included in about any smartphone contract - and bandwidth not an issue any more. If I'd kindly ask my provider today to add BIS to their portfolio, they'd probably laugh because of the 1% market share and send me a list of phones I can properly use on their network.
It's a little sad if the only justification of paying an extra amount is to keep RIM alive.
ferre_kun Oct 30, 2012 at 2:27 pm
:) if you want to compare, from your list none that you can compare. Apple is not only on smartphone bussiness. They have other resources that can keep them survive should their smartphone collaps. Samsung too. You think the smartphone is what made samsung huge? Htc did not sell data from the start. Only blackberry does. So none can be compared. Because no brands other than blackberry will suffer if carriers want their pie as a whole. That's why I said you will (slowly) kill it if you want BIS/BES out of the picture.
Regarding the network quality, it's not on RIM, it's on the carrier. RIM can not control the network, carriers control the network. What RIM can control is the data server.
If you own a carrier, and faced with two guys. One have data plan who you share the profit with someone who own the data center, and the other guy subscribed to exact same data plan only the difference is you don't need to share the profit to third party, who would you prioritize? Obviously the one that give you more money.
Though it is one of RIM's biggest homework, cooperating with carriers to ensure fast and cheap data connection. As for the rest of the world (the ones that still have slow and expensive connection), blackberry is the one that we need.
Last question from me, if you like something/someone, would you want it/that someone alive, or demand more from it/that someone? :)
Because if you don't like blackberry, you don't have to try your best to demand from it. If you need blackberry but can not/will not pay the data you used on their data center, there are more than a lot of alternatives that may suit your demand. If you think it's sad if you have to pay a little extra amount as justification to keep RIM alive, then don't :) I don't pay for extra amount, I pay less than what I would have to pay if I don't use blackberry. I want RIM to stay alive. I need RIM to stay alive. But that's just me :p
Anyway I hope your carrier can tap your shoulder and give you cheaper data plan for your sadness :)
ferre_kun Oct 30, 2012 at 2:36 pm
Oops, double post :p my carrier knew I was making them bad XD
Bold_until_Hybrid_Comes Oct 30, 2012 at 10:26 am
Who cares? I care
Rootbrian Oct 31, 2012 at 2:23 am
Did you even read what he posted? RIM DOESN'T SET CARRIER PRICING FOR DATA PLANS!!! THE CARRIERS DO!!
snowsquirrel Oct 30, 2012 at 3:51 pm
Your argument about RIM dying is not valid. I want RIM to survive because:
1. They make hardware people want.
2. People pay for BB Fusion to manage their corp. mobile devices.
3. People pay for the BES add on.
I don't want them to survive because consumers (not corp users) subsidize them through BIS payments.
Your argument about their push being better than others, is completely valid.I regularly switch between iOS, Android, and BB, and I doubt anything will ever touch BB's push... if the reason for that is BIS (which it likely is) then the solution is simple.
Make BIS optional, and make it transparent to the user and most importantly the developer. Make it mandatory that any app in the store works the same on wifi as it does on BIS (aside from speed of push).
Xpwmata Oct 30, 2012 at 8:51 am
This doesn't concern me personally as my carrier plan allows me to switch between regular data and bis at no additional cost, however I would like the option to turn BIS off and use regular data. To all those touting data compression for travelling, roaming costs are still very high compared with simply purchasing a local sim and just popping in and using country-specific data rates.
When I travel to the US I use my android phone with t-mobile sim with pay-by-the-day rate plan. The costs are a pittance compared with roaming, -even with data compression. Aside from the US, this has also been my experience with travelling to Japan, Korea, China, Germany, Russia, England..etc..very high roaming costs and many loop-holes to get local sims working with data.
Looking forward to BB10, but it seems ill still need to keep an android/win8/iphone nearby for my travels *sigh*.
Bold_until_Hybrid_Comes Oct 30, 2012 at 10:29 am
Um even if you go somewhere and buy a different sim you still have to worry about compression. I just bought a vodafone sim in germany and I'm glad I only needed to pay for 200mb instead of 600mb. 200mb is all I need because of compression.
Xpwmata Oct 31, 2012 at 7:04 am
UMMM honestly, I have no idea why you quoted my because your reply is not at all applicable to me. Please learn how to read.
gitchies Oct 30, 2012 at 8:55 am
I love this...lets bring out some cheese and wine for some people....
Everyone complains, for some comments, the people that actually understand it. RIM is a business, they need to make money just like any other business....whats the point of a BB without data, use it however you like....but just don't expect it to be the full experience...
like owning a Lambo and complaining about the mpg.....what do you want.
We all seem to want everything for nothing...bottom line. I see it everywhere, then you complain about lost jobs going overseas....why, because you complain and say its too expensive....so really we all do it ourselves...
Yeah people in Canada are fed up with cell plans, iphone being 80 per month, bb being 70 per month...and no unlimited data....but we all just take it anyways.
No different then gas being $5.40 a gallon here, case of beer being $50, cigarettes being $11 a pack....
Just deal with and quit complaining....my 2 cents.
mrbquick Oct 30, 2012 at 9:10 am
This sucks because I just switched from Unlimited Data to that Damn Shared Data Plan with 5 people on my line, which is hitting at $300.00. Now I have to add a blackberry data plan which is another fee. I could have stayed on the Unlimited Data in which I had a BB plan. Can someone enlighten me on this and tell me that I am wrong.
ferre_kun Oct 30, 2012 at 10:06 am
I don't know how your carrier calculate their plans, but from what you wrote I think you should've stayed on your unlimited data plan as it also have blackberry plan :)
Bold_until_Hybrid_Comes Oct 30, 2012 at 10:33 am
U are getting screwed over
timmy t Oct 30, 2012 at 9:13 am
I thinks somne apps should work over wifi but BBM should be a subscription service. After all, people pay money for text messaging.
I do think I should be able to get emails to my non-BB accounts through wifi, for sure.
biggerCC Oct 30, 2012 at 9:57 am
That's actually an interesting idea, but will most likely lead to people not using BBM anymore. Free alternatives like WhatsApp basically do the same thing, but are available for free on all platforms and therefore reach all your friends...
Rootbrian Oct 31, 2012 at 2:57 am
BIS is the subscription for e-mail and BBM.
swervable Oct 30, 2012 at 9:19 am
Well that sucks. When my company dropped BB support my bill dropped by $20. I was hoping to stay on that plan and get the new bb phone. That's not going to happen now. That is such a disappointment. Oh well thank you BlackBerry. I will enjoy my playbook but I will have to look for a phone some where else.
Everyone but me hates BlackBerry at my work.
cjcampbell Oct 30, 2012 at 11:34 am
BIS is not the same as BES. All current BB go through the BIS and corporate use BES. Your bill dropped due to the fact that you were taken off the BES. BIS is simply calculated into your bill by the carrier. You don't see it on your bill.
Belbarid Oct 30, 2012 at 9:19 am
Okay, something that I've been wondering about, and hope this doesn't get lost in the cloud of comments.
I'm on StraightTalk, which doesn't support BlackBerry. I take that to mean they don't support BIS or BES, which is fine. They do, however, have an APN and are a GSM service. I've been wondering about the idea of getting a SIM card, putting in the APN and using one of the 3rd party tools such as AstraSync or Funambol.
Does this news seem to indicate that this approach won't work? I'd love to get back to BlackBerry, but I'm not paying full carrier prices to do it.
Andrew4life Oct 30, 2012 at 11:50 pm
As I was complaining in one of my postings above, a lot of Blackberry Apps will NOT WORK without a Blackberry Data Plan(BIS), it actually works for a few hours, then when the Blackberry phone realizes you're not on a BIS plan, it stops working and displays a message saying you don't have a proper data plan.(Then you have to do a battery pull to get it to work again)
One thing that will work is the browser, and thats about it.
Rootbrian Oct 31, 2012 at 3:02 am
It's the DEVELOPERS who choose what protocols apps used to access data. RIM isn't to blame.
Twitter, facebook and others work with wifi, including the later version of Appworld.
Rootbrian Oct 31, 2012 at 3:01 am
You'll have to talk to StraightTalk support and staff, or rally with other who use them, to get BIS/BES supported.
needforbbx Oct 30, 2012 at 9:25 am
I thought Blackberry 10 was suppose to come to the playbook?
But then so was BBM and you can see where that is....
Will have to wait for further info from RIM, as this quote is discussing "BlackBerry 10 launch devices"
Rootbrian Oct 31, 2012 at 3:03 am
BB10 is coming to the playbook, regardless if it's the 3G/4G/LTE or wifi one.
gallopiton Oct 30, 2012 at 9:26 am
my concern now is, does this mean that the wifi pb is not getting bb10? if someone has reliable info please share... rim said that pb would be supported by bb10, but if you think about it that could have meant the 4g pb, and then, wasn't a lie stating the support for pb...
biggerCC Oct 30, 2012 at 9:46 am
Perhaps it will get BB10, but only a "light" version without any PIM built in, like in the ol' bridge days. ;)
gallopiton Oct 30, 2012 at 10:59 am
if that's the case, would be terrible, since you are not getting the whole software (and who knows which capabilities are going to be left out)... but i believe that you are right, we will have two bb10 for two different pb's... that kind of sucks...
Rootbrian Oct 31, 2012 at 3:04 am
Don't feed the troll.
Rootbrian Oct 31, 2012 at 3:06 am
Wrong you are. It will get the same BB10 the phones will get.
Rootbrian Oct 31, 2012 at 3:05 am
Yes, it will get BB10. The whole damn thing. Ignore the ones saying it won't, because RIM said it would.
Bold_until_Hybrid_Comes Oct 30, 2012 at 10:36 am
How is bbm going to work on pb while bridged if its native. Two seprate bbm windows? One for phone one for pb?
trailracer618 Oct 30, 2012 at 11:05 am
I'm in the US on ATT with a 300 mb plan. Unless I'm missing something, there is no difference in price between the regular data plans and the BB plans. Given the choice between the two, I'll take the compressed data that BB offers.
I activated an old BlackBerry on BES a few weeks ago at ATT, and as I understood it at the time a BIS plan added no extra charge to your ATT data plan. A BES plan added an extra 20 dollars a month.
TheScionicMan Oct 30, 2012 at 4:43 pm
But when we have ATT iPhones accessing our EAS, they require a more expensive enterprise plan and not the cheaper personal plan. so it's not really a BB-only thing. We've gotten notices saying they a line was on the wrong plan and they would be moving it due to EAS access. With VZW, we have a discount plan that is the same for any smartphone.
cjcampbell Oct 30, 2012 at 11:44 am
All I keep hearing is people worrying about extra costs and RIM needing to charge to stay afloat. I am not in the know, so to speak, but I don't see it this way. What seems to be completely overlooked is the security of running through BIS. This is something that I fully endorse and am thankful for. I may not "need" it but I certainly like it. I don't fill in my SIN number on credit apps for that reason... odds of anything happening because of it are slim to none but I feel better not doing so. Same goes for RIM and it's security features for the general users. I just feel better know that my business is my business and nobody else has access to it. I am happy that RIM will continue to filter through the BIS servers as it always has.
abrax Oct 30, 2012 at 11:47 am
This was the news I was afraid of, and I really hoped RIM would finally dump.
I even wouldn't care paying a small monthly subscription fee along with a yearly contract, but using my phone without all the hassles of BIS.
Just to name some of the reasons why I DON't need BIS:
1. the hassle with BIS outages
2. difficulties with phone activation, especially when you get a second hand, or swap cards
3. inability to use a local card with cheap internet for roaming when abroad; without BIS in this case the phone is almost unusable
As a result of last one, roaming is actually much more expensive than it could be. I don't need data compression and still pay several euros (in EU) every day in roaming for normal usage, but would rather purchase a cheap prepaid card of the given country with 500MB or 1GB.
BIS in this case forces me to stay with my home carrier and pay for expensive roaming data or also expensive daily/weekly roaming package with limited traffic. Even if I find a pre-paid BIS card in a foreign country, issues with 2.) can happen, and re-registering can make a hassle.
Why I need to accept all of this when all the other platforms are free of this annoyance, and work with a flat internet as every device should?
And I could just list some many more reasons and points where BIS (and BES, at least as a plan) seems as a total annoyance which could be avoided.
I think if RIM would like to survive it should forget about their exclusivity and high position they thought they had few years ago, allowing themself the luxury of adding such a monthly charge and annoyance to their users. They should rather keep things as smooth as possible to compete with the others who are eating their market anyways, and dump this whole nonsense of BIS.
I'm still a BlackBerry fanatic and wait eagerly for BB10, but BIS is what I hate the most about Blackberry from the first day I got it, now for almost 3 years.
LuayS Oct 30, 2012 at 12:40 pm
Agreed! All I want to do is unlock my phone and be able to access my data using a third party sim when I'm roaming. I do not want to pay a stupid outrageous travel pack fee.
For example 10mb from Rogers (Canada) to roam in US is $30 how ridiculous is that.
When there are providers that offer pay as you go sim cards with unlimited text,talk and data for $4/day if you use their sim card.
I really hope blackberry will provide that option!
Duh!!!! Just give me my BB10 already will you.
If BB10 uses Active Sync it seems to me that BIS/BES and the NOC are not absolutely needed. Does any one know of a technical reason BB10 phones would need to have a BIS/BES data plan rather than just an internet connection? This does not seem like its going to be good PR for RIM. Does Apple charge extra for their cloud services associated with the iPhone?
cjcampbell Oct 30, 2012 at 1:34 pm
Apple offers 5GB for free in their icloud. After that, they start charging.
Thanks RIM for making the decision switching to a Lumia easier.
lionheartsimon Oct 30, 2012 at 4:32 pm
Why ? Because you think that using data with a lumia will cost you less ? A blackBerry data and other data plan costs the exact same thing in Canada, the only difference is the way data is handled with BlackBerry ... You'll spend data more efficiently and it will be more secure. What's not to love ?
studio37th Oct 30, 2012 at 4:49 pm
Because I will be able to use ANY app without limitation of data plan. ANY application (Facebook, Twitter, Maps etc). BB are hammering the nail in their own coffin. BB good by
Rootbrian Oct 31, 2012 at 3:10 am
How narrow minded of you. THOSE APPS WORK ON WIFI YOU KNOW.
See ya, wouldn't ever want to be ya.
studio37th Oct 31, 2012 at 2:15 pm
WiFi?!?!?!? But why I have to use BB with WiFi????)))) With WiFi I can use Nokia3310/Motorola 398 etc AND Google Nexus 7 (or iPad) WITHOUT ANY Limitation (WITH EXCELLENT NAVIGATION/MULTIMEDIA/BOOKREADING SOFTWARE)!!!! No extra cost!
mjgallaway Oct 30, 2012 at 4:02 pm
So does this mean data compression or not?
cjcampbell Oct 30, 2012 at 4:26 pm
Yes. All will be the same as it is now. (from my understanding anyway)
mjgallaway Oct 30, 2012 at 4:43 pm
Awesome. Hope you're right. Waaaaay cheaper this way. 500GB for a BB is plenty whereas droid and apple you need more.
cjcampbell Oct 31, 2012 at 10:06 am
I think you mean 500MB but I hear ya. That's what I have and iPhone users I know are in shock when I tell them that I've never even come close to using it all.
iosephus Oct 30, 2012 at 7:01 pm
That's the last drop for me, I've never been happy with having the credentials for my accounts stored on RIM servers. Stop saying BIS is inherently more secure, it has a good track record as far as I know, but it's another single point of failure in terms of service and security (besides the device itself), probably an Android device can be setup with a sufficient level of security if you take care.
On Nov 13 the Nexus 4 is coming out, my birthday is also on Nov: There is a good chance of my Bold 9790 and Playbook going for sale...
Rootbrian Oct 31, 2012 at 3:11 am
Goodbye. Have a great day in wherver you are.
Rootbrian Oct 31, 2012 at 3:19 am
Holy monkey farts! There are sure allot of trolls hating on this post. The two misleading people about BB10 not on the playbook, the one saying All carriers don't have prepaid BIS data, the ones wanting FREE DATA (theft basically), the ones saying they're leaving blackberry who don't even have one at all probably.
Blackberry is my choice, since the 8130, I havennt looked back. I'm happy to know the bb10 devices, will have BIS. Do I care about outages? No, shit happens, it happens to anything. Nothing has ever gone without an outage happening, be it ISP's, cellular networks and cable TV services.
Now for data. If you don't want to pay for it, DO NOT Expect to get it for free by trying to steal it by means of servicebook injection, "hacking" or spoofing services. IT DOESN'T WORK. For those complaining about CARRIERS ripping you off, COMPLAIN TO THE CARRIERS about it. Because IT IS NOT RIM'S FAULT!!
If your applications don't work without BIS, it's the DEVELOPERS who chose to limit data access to BIS or wap/cellular data, or wifi, or all three (wap/cellular, BIS, wifi). DO NOT blame RIM for it. Instead, be more productive and get in contact with the developers who MADE those apps you so dearly need for wifi or cellular data only.
Thanks for taking the time to view my points. I hate it when those spread misinformation or outright LIE to people on here too.
biggerCC Oct 31, 2012 at 3:51 am
Of course you are free to repeat it as many times as you'd like to, but your "facts" about developers do not add any truth.
Feel free to check out the current BB10 API documentation, for example for native applications:
or even the BB Push service on WebWorks:
If you find any evidence that BB10 developers (not talking about prior OS, where you are right) can choose, which "lines" are to be used for their data transmissions, please let me know.
That's what I hate, the Blackberry BIS or BES data plan.
RIM's worst decision. Without the freedom to choose a data plan new system will not reach the success. BIS and BES architecture is obsolete.
iosephus Oct 31, 2012 at 7:57 am
It's all about choice, I see the great value of BES in the enterprise, and the value BIS can have for some users, but if it does have value, people who find it attractive will buy it. On the other hand, if you are locked to it, it's a completely different situation. And it's not only about poorly developed apps, many services work only through BIS by design: Email being the most important one! (Yes, you can use a third party client, but then it makes less sense to have a BB).
And from a security and privacy point of view, most of us don't really know what are the real implications of a great part of our data traffic going through RIM servers, despite all the mumbo-jumbo dogmatic talk about how secure the platform is.
cjcampbell Oct 31, 2012 at 10:25 am
There's something I am having a problem with.... I am fairly new to this site yet have used my BB for years. Of what I have been reading on this site, all is pro RIM (with the odd gripe but that's normal). If BIS is such a HUGE deal, then why are you all with them to begin with? It's only now that it's an announcement that the same protocol will be moving forward with the new platform, that people are coming out of the works to complain about it and calling it a deal breaker. We've all had options for years and have stuck around because of our phones and what they do and how they help us do what we need to do. If I, for years on end, am not happy with a product or service, I move on. If I put up with what makes me unhappy for years on end, then I should probably go see a counsellor as I have some serious self worth issues. BB and RIM make me happy and I am proud to support them now and moving forward.
iosephus Oct 31, 2012 at 11:34 am
It's easy cjcampbell: Any option has pros and cons, and the situation in which the pros outweight the cons, can change at some point. And by the way, the pros/cons balance strongly depends on what the competition is offering, and this does change rapidly nowadays.
Anyone expecting people to make choices for life or stop reevaluating periodically the cost/benefit of their choices to see whether the conditions under which the choices were made still hold, does need counselling IMO.
Have a nice day...
cjcampbell Oct 31, 2012 at 1:48 pm
Fair enough. I just believe, by reading what has been posted so far, that most, not all but most, believe that this is going to be a new charge that they are having to incur. Here in Canada, we don't see the charge. It is already included with the plan from the carrier.
dfb8085 Nov 5, 2012 at 5:23 pm
why would a BB10 device need a blackberry plan. isn't BIS a thing of the past? Thats why we wil have to live with exchange email. I don't think everything will be pushed through the blackberry servers with BB10 but I could be totally off base


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