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Cortlandt Manor, NY - (February 8, 2012) – Hudson Valley Hospital Center's Vice President of Patient Services was among 18 women honored by the Professional Women of Putnam and Mahopac News on Feb. 3.
Kathy Webster, who has been with Hudson Valley Hospital Center for 35 years, was among the women nominated for a "Putnam County Women of Excellence" award. She and 17 other nominees were feted by the organization and the newspaper at a dinner at the Putnam National Golf Club on Feb. 3.
"It was a really lovely event, and a great honor,'' said Webster, who was nominated for the Women in Leadership Award in the non-profit sector. The award was given to Amy Sayegh, founder and Director of Community Cares in Mahopac.
Webster, a Mahopac resident, has been behind many positive changes at Hudson Valley Hospital Center. In May, Webster was honored for 35 years of service with the hospital. The recipient of the coveted NY Times "Tribute to Nursing Award" in 2007, Kathy is credited with spearheading the Magnet accreditation of HVHC – the only hospital with Magnet accreditation in the eight counties from New York City to Albany. She is also the driving force behind the creation of the hospital's new Comprehensive Cancer Center, which opened on November 17, 2011.

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Alex just finished his first season here at Cherry Crest, and is definitely ready to jump right in to this season's theme! He's excited about performing on the Discovery Barn Stage this year, so it's no surprise to hear that he loves music. One of his favorite music artists is Luke Bryan because of the good message that his lyrics often have. That doesn't stop him from like all sorts of music though… he loves how today's music always has a great beat, even if the lyrics aren't the best. Listening to music is an escape for Alex: "It helps me get away from the stress of life!"
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Natalie has been working at Cherry Crest since 2012, and most often works in the Barnyard, though this past year she starred as Blackbeard in the pirate show.
Natalie loves all kinds of music, and her favorite band varies, depending on what mood she's in. In fact, that's one of the things that she loves most about music! "There's always a song to reflect whatever I'm feeling and can make me feel better when I'm down.
It's also a way to connect with others." She uses music to connect with her son, Joey: every night she sings "Amazing Grace" to help him fall asleep, making it one of her favorite songs. She's played the clarinet for 12 years, and the bass clarinet and saxophone for 8 years. "Music is a major part of my life, I'd be so lost without it!"
Meet Our Staff: Vicki Worst
Vicki has worked with us at Cherry Crest for over 5 years now, and we would be lost without her guidance in the maze! Vicki has almost always worked in the maze itself, whether that was as a guide, in the tower, or in the Corn Café.
Vicki think's today's pop music is just okay, but country is awesome! So it's no surprise that her favorite band is Florida Georgia Line, because of "the way they put their music together." She loves music because it's fun to dance to. She did just that this past year while working out in the maze: The "unofficial" maze rule was that whenever Beach Boys' "Surfin' Safari" came on the speakers, all the maze employees had to stop what they were doing and dance! "They always say, dance like nobody is watching!"
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RIR keeps both race weekends for 2013
Officials from Richmond International Raceway today announced that the track will continue to host two NASCAR weekends in 2013. The events will be held April 26-27 and Sept. 6-7, with the September Sprint Cup Series race again serving as the final race before the 2013 Chase for the NASCAR Sprint Cup (the circuit's playoff equivalent).
The total financial benefit to the region as the result of both weekends – each of which includes a Nationwide Series and Sprint Cup Series race – is more than $300 million, according to RIR officials.
"Bringing NASCAR back to Richmond International Raceway twice next year is huge for everyone in Greater Richmond," said RIR President Dennis Bickmeier. "The money being pumped into our economy twice a year makes a big difference in the livelihood of the 1.3 million people who call Greater Richmond home. Hotels, restaurants, grocers and many other locally owned businesses will benefit when NASCAR flocks to RIR."
Tickets for the April NASCAR weekend go on sale Friday, Dec. 7. Fans who purchased tickets to this month's NASCAR weekend at RIR will be receiving renewal invitations in October. Guests who renew receive a savings on each ticket purchased, opportunity to keep their seats and may add or relocate seats before the general public.
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Former Sandston resident Mildred Taylor celebrated her 106th birthday Aug. 9. Taylor, who now lives in Powhatan, is still a member of Sandston Baptist Church. She was visited the day after her birthday by several members of the church, who played for her a recording of the entire church membership singing happy birthday to her during worship. > Read more.
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YMCA officials gathered last week to break ground on the new Tommy J. West Aquatic Center at the Shady Grove Family YMCA on Nuckols Road. The center, which will featured 7,600 square feet of competitive and recreational space, including water slides, play areas for children and warmer water for those with physical limitations, is the fourth phase of a $4 million expansion at the facility. West was president and CEO of Capital Interior Contractors and a founding member of the Central Virginia Region of the Virginia Chapter of Associated Builders and Contractors. > Read more.
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I am still (happily) thinking about my entire experience at Rock Bottom Restaurant and Brewery last week. Knowing nothing about this new brewery out of Denver, I was leery of brew-pub in the heart of Short Pump Town Center – this is not what I'd usually think of as a perfect fit, and yet, it was.
The restaurant and craft brewery opened in early June and features 10 beers made by female brewmaster Becky Hammond (pictured). This is the restaurant's second location in Virginia; the first is in Arlington. Behind glass walls, customers watched the beer brewing in massive steel barrels. For our up-and-coming beer region, it makes sense that Short Pump would jump on board.
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Well I'm having a senior moment. I was going through my kids toy tractors. I knew they had these cubs. My question is how many was in the series My mother bought the cubs for them during Xmas. I have mine thier's & my dads. Mom & dad have pasted. I just want to make sure they have one of each (MEMORIES) If someone can post a pic of each toy tractor it would be helpful.
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I just sold some blue stripe yeller ones and red square hood ones on Ebay before Christmas. If you keep your eyes open they are around.
The hard to find one (oops EXPENSIVE one) is a standard red Cub with a vertical exhaust.
1971 Cub (Rufus) 1950 Cub (Cathy) 1965 Lo Boy Fast Hitch (Nameless III) 1970 Cub 1000 Loader & Fast Hitch (Lee)
Just to add (or remove?) a little clarity on the Ertl Cubs. After the series of 7, they did a "Foxfire Friends" version. It is a blue stripe yellow/white that is almost (but not quite) identical to the blue stripe yellow/white Cub in the series. This one came with a little bear to sit on it. The box is labeled "Cub on a Cub". And then there will be one more for this year's RPR.
Here is one on eBay. Bidding is only at a penny but there is $17.50 shipping!
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Here's the list of the ERTL made IH Cub toys:
Stock Number--------Description---------Year built
689DA....Red Cub w/ Vertical Exhaust...1988
689DO....1955 model Cub.....1988
235DO...1957 model Cub....1990
652.....1959 model Cub......1991
653DA....Yellow Cub w/ White hood (flat yellow grille)...1991
653DO....Yellow Cub w/ White Grille & hood (flat white grille).....1992
448DO.....Red Cub (flat red grille)......1993
????......Foxfire Farm yellow/white Cub w/ Bear Figurine.....????
14339.....Yellow/white flat grille Cub (like 653DO).....2005
14577A....Red Flat grille Cub (IH Collectors Club).....2007
Hope this helps everyone find the one(s) they are missing.....
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The Foxfire Cub is labeled "Cub on a Cub #B2". The box carries the number 4999 and a copyright date 1998. I don't know what the #B2 represents.
Thanks for the info. It helped a bunch. Need to spend so money
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I happened into tractor supply last year after Christmas and they had the 2005 version for 40% off... about $11. But it's not the same as mine (blue stripe), so I gave one as a Christmas present and sold the other on eBay.
My friend has a cabinet with all sorts of green stuff in it. I told him to open the door to let it dry out cause them tractors was getting moldy in th JD 'shrine'.
1971 Cub (Rufus) 1950 Cub (Cathy) 1965 Lo Boy Fast Hitch (Nameless III) 1970 Cub 1000 Loader & Fast Hitch (Lee)
Yes thank you for the Info, I always wished I had more and now I got it, I printed it out. Thanks again. Jack
Hi Need picture ( side view ) of the cub on cub and the other yellow & white --white grill cub
I have the cub on cub, need too know the dif. Thanks Dave
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Cub Hut.... nearest I can tell the Cub on Cub is identical to the 2005 and probably the 'original' blue stripe (white hood and dog leg) yeller Cub. The Foxfire one is copyright 1998.
http://i2.photobucket.com/albums/y40/Bu ... 8Small.jpg
Bought a couple of JD H's at TSC too... they were 40% off, good value - look at the price sticker.
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1971 Cub (Rufus) 1950 Cub (Cathy) 1965 Lo Boy Fast Hitch (Nameless III) 1970 Cub 1000 Loader & Fast Hitch (Lee)
The first blue stripe is a "special edition" which means they went to the trouble of painting the steering wheel black and cast "1991 edition" into the bell housing. The Foxfire version appears to be exactly the same except there is no special marking cast into the side.
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Boutonnière deformity (BD) prevents you from straightening your finger. The disorder affects the finger's system of tendons. The tendons allow you to flex and straighten your finger.
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Boutonniere deformity of the finger. Orthogate website. Available at:
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"It'll definitely take a hit in this game," said Clark. "I've got to give advice to Jimmy Kimmel. When you're out there in a bench-clearing brawl, you cannot hit the guy with the same color jersey on. You've got to hit the other team."
The softball game featured celebrities and former players playing on the field at Minute Maid Park. Clark had, like the rest of the "competitors," a good time.
"This is a lot of fun, coming out here playing with the other [Legends] and the other celebrities." said Clark. "To come out and sign a few autographs, have some fun with the fans, this is what it's all about. It's good to be back in this kind of setting."
Clark played in six Major League All-Star Games, including 1994's contest during his five-year stint as a Ranger. He has not failed to notice the effort that has the current incarnation of his former team in first place going into this season's All-Star break.
"They've done a great job," he observed. "Their pitching's come around, and that's what has made all the difference in the world. [Hank] Blalock, and Michael Young, and [Mark] Teixeira and those guys, they're providing the offense, and the defense is doing well. But the rest of it is unbelievable right now, especially Kenny Rogers. He's doing a great job for them."
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Looking for a good deal on a six-pack of beer? Try Charlotte. A haircut that won't burn a hole in your wallet? Harlingen, Texas, is your best bet. A trip to the movies? Hilo, Hawaii, is supposed to be nice this time of year.
That's according to the latest cost-of-living index, released last week by the Council for Community and Economic Research, which takes into account the average price of everything from a bottle of shampoo to a mortgage in more than 300 urban areas.
The areas ranked as the most expensive places to live in the first quarter included most of the usual suspects, with New York's Manhattan and Brooklyn boroughs taking the top two slots on the list. And for the third year in a row, Washington snagged a spot in the top 10, driven by the region's high-priced housing market and relative immunity from the economic downturn.
"Since the beginning of the Great Recession, Washington has catapulted itself into the top 10 based on the housing market," said Dean Frutiger, project manager for the Cost of Living Index at the council. Washington, which took ninth place in the first quarter, had traditionally remained just shy of the top 10 high-cost urban areas, often swapping places with Boston, Frutiger said.
Overall, the Washington area was about 42 percent more expensive compared with the national average.
Housing in the region was more than twice as expensive as in the rest of the country. Groceries were about 13 percent more expensive, while health care was 1.6 percent more expensive. The region's cost of living dropped slightly from the same time last year but was higher than in 2011.
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Were it not for Instagram, we wouldn't know where Rihanna and Chris Brown spent New Years. We won't keep you in suspense - it appears they may have been in bed together.
E! online reports that the pair separately posted photos of that day which show what appears to be the black and white polka dot comforter covered bed.
"Good morning! Still haven't slept lol #hello2013," Rihanna wrote in the caption of her picture.
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Now that Adobe has released Camera Raw 6.7rc1, I thought I'd compare the high ISO extraction done with Adobe to extraction done with Capture NX 2.3.1.
I chose the ISO 6400 raw and the ISO 25600 raw, Adobe easily beats Capture NX for noise control, detail retention, and blotching on the dark areas of the bottle.
I look forward to getting more D4 raws to extract with ACR 6.7.
Just a little question:
Does anyone know when D800 and D4 will be avaliable regularly? I've heard these camera will not be regularly on the market until 2013. I need know that, cause I plan go to USA, just to buy one of them, in my vacation (August). But if these camera will not be available B&H, Adorama, Ritz, Best Buy, Amazon, I don't go to USA.
I am frustrated, several days ago I checked the same test and D4's samples were a bit darker, today they have identical exposition than D3s one, did the Dreview replaced D4 sample shots ?
PS Now D4 looks better that 2 days ago !!!
Great ISO from D4 compared to previous Canon dslr...
I personally think extra high but excellent ISO range will be more useful for amateurs (ahem, like me) than extra high resolution, which i think is more suitable for professionals or those who like studios...
I use the Canon 550D...but its quite 'impossible' to use 60 fps video in low light situation, without all the noise dancing around the screen everywhere...my kit lens almost limit me to 30 or 24 fps video..and using a nifty fifty would severely reduce the FOV...
Hope they will reduce the resolution and make ISO 204 800 as clean as my 3200 soon...then wow, my f3.5 kit lens can be turned into an f1.2 prime!
I'm among those who don't see any high ISO advantage to the D4 over the D3.
The video specs look like a big improvement, and the focusing ability is likely improved, but I think I'm more likely to add a D800 to my D3 than trade the D3 for a D4...
Then again, this one single studio shot is just one tiny little piece of the story, though, so I'm withholding judgment until I see a lot more reviews...
PS: Please don't waste everyone's time with inciteful, juvenile, fanboy troll posts. Seek therapy, not negative attention.
The more I use the Studio shot comparison the more smile I get when comparing cams not necessarily in the same class ...
OK, it' s studio ... but it's fun to see tat 1k $ lower price sometimes have better or practically the same IQ.... The same stands for weight and sometimes sensor size...
You can compare studio shots of different class cams, but... for instance... some people use their equipment to take sports photo at Olympic Games. It's all matter of perception.
How valid is the comparison tool when you change lenses used for the test shots? For detail resolution.. are we seeing sensor, AA filter differences, diffraction or lens differences?
D3s and D4 show very similar results. Their FF sensor is much better than any APS-C sensor.
I need a camera with FF sensor, but a cheap one, I mean like max. USD 1500 for the body. Who is going to bring it?
A used 5D Mark I is waiting for you :)
It's not going to happen... (i'd like one too!) A used 5D mark I is not going to be better than a new top shelf APS-C for low ISO, DR, resolution, etc.
If you want it for the DOF control, then yes, but that's another thing, and even then you'll need to use primes if you want to be able to say "you can't do this with any APS-C camera".
I have been a Pro for over 30yrs.. Fighting over if canon or Nikon is better. Is like saying a Lamborghini is better than a ferrari..?... They are both top notch. It's personal. Over the years I have found that Canon might be a little better on the portrait side and Nikon is a little better on the sports action side, But that is just Me.... Shoot what You like... They will make more...Just keep shooting....
How well do those Audis do against an Enzo or the F458?
Note, not say which is which camera?
Do you shoot with a D3s?
@howaboutRAW: For a pro, a right camera to get their job done is enough, doesn't matter which camera is.
btw, still depends the where the Audi is race against, although Ferrari is powerful but in some narrow place huge cars like Enzo may be found difficult to drive (Same to cameras and any other gadgets)
None of those cars are actually for racing.
Impressive. I wish such great sensor performance was available in a more compact and affordable body.
I think the DPR comments are heading in to a new territory. Fanboys and trolls annoy me as much as they annoy the next man (and that's a LOT), but I do genuinely value the honest analysis of educated photographers when faced with these image samples, partly because I don't always trust my own eyes the first time round. Also, my experience is limited and the consensus of the more reasonable-sounding posters is actually useful to me as a (small) part of my decision making. To those of you who bemoan the Nikon/Canon war, I totally agree with you - it's pathetic. However, I'd ask that you don't squeeze out the educated analysis that we still do get here. These cameras cost a small fortune. They deserve to be subject to the closest scrutiny, including pixel-peeping (I'm spending £X grand on a camera - I want to know these things!) I know the Can/Nik trolls are idiots. I know that photography is about "getting out there". What I don't know is the fine detail about this camera's performance.
I can't understand this war (Canon vs. Nikon). Really, people will use astronomic ISO? Really, the most of people use up to 6400 iso. I don't need iso 204800, or even 12800. Shot what I can't see? No, really, I'm a photographer not a researcher.
-So you are not astrophotographer.. you have right but people tend to be impressed by the numbers.
Well, the numbers! For many people numbers are everything!
So, these people, they aren't photographer, they are gears buyers and consumers.
Natan Lorenzi:
I personally have used ISO 10,000 in an everyday setting. Yes I made real prints from the files.
D4 not available in studio comparison tool.
Somehow I think the pros who make a descent living from their photography will not find the D4's ISO capabilities a hindrance to their ability to deliver pro results. A lot of people on here just need to go out and start making photos instead of fretting over a camera's specs night and day. I promise you'll be a lot less stressed if you stop worrying about whether or not you have a better camera or lens than everyone else.
Maybe I am crazy but I see red color blotches even at ISO 200. The D3s seems much clean at all ISO settings, blacks are black and color blotches start only at very high ISO.
The D4 looks like an entry level DSLR at low-medium ISO's.
the D4 is sure not a bad camera.. it´s just that the IQ is not that much improved. and no pink fanboy eyeglasses will change that fact.
btw: canons 5D MK3 is already amazons bestselling camera.... and it´s not even released. so much about "too expensive".
i guess there are many people out there, who don´t care a sh* t about all what is discussed here and just upgrade their gear .... no matter if they are nikonians or canonians.
As a small addition to the post above...
I also use a lot of Canon gear when issued to me, and I am looking forward to trying out the very well speced 1Dx. I am sure that it'll be a great camera as well and be well up to the great standard that Canon produce in their pro line of cameras.
Looking forward to the 5DIII as well with the new AF. As popular and important that the 5DII was, the dodgy AF was always bit hard to accept. The IQ was great, so even if left as it was, it'll be a great improvement. A soft, slightly out of focus image is no good no matter how low noise or perfectly coloured your image is.
And importantly, Nikon in this new release has kept the prices reasonable. That is to say that it is not heaps more expensive that the D3s. In fact I'm sure by the time it is readily available, it'll be pretty much be the same price.
So much bickering and pixel peeping.
The D4 is fine as a replacement for the D3s. Having come from the earlier D1x, thru to D2x/H, D3 and now with D3s, I see it as a good new model in the line. A small improvement in the MP while also slightly improving the incredibly great AF and low light ISOs that the D3s has.
There are also masses of new improvements that Nikon have included that alot of naysayers have not even considered, but for a camera that most of us have to use on a daily basis, those improvements are very useful to the handling of the camera and also to our workflows. Being able to shoot super clean images at 25,000 ISO is not the only thing that makes a camera great.
A professional camera is one that has to be good to hold and use daily, sometimes for long hours, easy and intuitive to control and of course, be reliable. Of course, Image Quality is important too, but at this top end of the industry, I doubt that either Canon or Nikon would release a complete lemon!
Canon 5D Mark III beats them all. See the link below (it's in another language but look at the ISO performance which is better than any Nikon's flagships):
Cannot even clearly read the book's title when the iso is 25600. I don't think it will happen to Nikon D4. Thanks to show how bad 5DMk3 is.
Idiot Bill1969, I am a Nikonian.
Exactly, you are dum.
The Imaging Resource has a more comprehensive set of D4 sample pics out there.
Worth comparing. (and they use more consistent lense/F data than was the case in the DPR sample)
After you look at it you find the same we saw here, but in a wider variety of sample shots
1. No difference in IQ AT all
2. The picture quality when you zoom in and make objects the same size on a canvas of equal size is IDENTICAL - i.e. there is no higher resolution/quality from a crop with the 16mp sensor. (disappointment!)
So, whatever the benefits are, they appear to be limited to much better video and a bunch of refinements like back lit buttons, slightly improved ergonomics and so on.
Fair enough. But I think many of the upgrades are valuable to the outdoor photographer with fast moving subjects. Upgrades if available for the D3s many of us would gladly send our cameras in for.
That appears to be the case: the D4 does not improve over the D3s in IQ.
It does, however, improve in other areas.
Thus, nothing revolutionary or ground breaking. Just an expensive upgrade.
My humble prediction 1D X vs D4/D3s
When the light get really low Nikoners will pack up their gear and head home. Once home they will find a comfy corner, curl up into a little ball so to cry themselves to sleep.
Night night sleep tight. :P
Canon marketing must love people like you who passionately support their camp. Why you would love to love them is beyond me. Maybe I don't understand because I prefer to spend time developing my own work rather than watching from the sidelines which brand is the current heavyweight champion of the camera world.
Trolls will be Trolls I guess.
Nothing humble about your prediction...
These Canon/Nikon comparisons are quite interesting, but I find generally of limited practical applicability. Most of us have made a system choice long ago and are now vested in lenses. Few if any would give up that gear, switch bodies, and buy set of new lenses...
seems to me its a constant tug of war between the two manufacturers, each one being on top for some time.
Pathetic post, Ape.
It is clear that who ever master these 4 things will win the war. The lens technology, Sensor technology, Digital Signal Processing (DSP also its SW) and its Marketing. The last 3 are even more important than the first. See how quickly Samsung and Sony are catching up in photography! 30 years ago they were just purely electronic. And Samsung were still an OEM.
For us, the only thing we can do is to advance our photography skill. Then, any equipment in our hand will do the same.
can't argue with that. well said.
You're absolutely right.
I switched to Sony because I'm a tech head.
Many of the things Sony offers are a little gadgety but I love them.
Does that make me a better photographer?
No, not at all. But I enjoy it more which is the only thing that matters to me.
Everybody should find the brand he's happy with.
30 years ago the Sony camera division was known as Minolta.
No, the one that masters connectivity, will win. Both Nikon and Canon masters your 4 points well enough already, but the one that masters connectivity to the internet and different agencies best, will win, because these photographers will sell more pics.
The same of course applies for wedding photographers, where an assistant, which doesn't even have to be on site, can fetch and edit pictures and video in realtime from the camera and produce content that the guests can bring with them before leaving.... or that is available on facebook or whatever the next day...
or is viewable on a large screen on site dureing the event in question...
Definatly. A D700 with my iPhones connectivity capabilities would open so many real oppurtunities to make more money from my business, much more so than a 36 MP D800. I don't undestand why the big players fail to realise some simple facts of our near future: 98% of all still images will be viewed on screen and transfered by web, thus super high resolution and IQ should be a secondary feature; people growing up today are impatient. They never had to wait for a photo lab to develop their film rolls and they don't want to wait even a couple of days for their wedding pictures, they want them right away. The first actor that brings a camera like this to market wins right out. It's been shown time and time again tha big corps who fails to do the right thing can and will be overthrown by small actors doing it right.
Why would we want one company to win a product war? So they have no competition, charge whatever they like, and never need to improve? Nuts.
I'm wondering who of us posting here has a personal advantage if Canon is better than Nikon, or vice versa...
Just enjoy your gear, all of them are offering results much better than we ever expected!
I Agree. D3S is better than D4
It is very funny to read how Canon funboys are trying to prove, that Canon is not loosing the game, by comparing D4 with D3s. The only thing they omit, that both D4, D3s humiliatingly destroy all Canon's which are present on the test.
Anyway even if D4 is worse than D3s, the difference is so tiny, that it does not have any practical significance.
Canon and Nikon deliver both superb DSLR's
Both Canon and Nikon will do PERFECT for 99,9 % for us...
Read the topic of Rozsas Adam...
Indeed pros are laughing on all these topics...
It seems ALL is about Canon vs Nikon...
It's not.
It's Fanboys not Funboys.....
Good job!
It only took you two sentences to prove that you're a fanboy, probably way more than the people you accuse of being fanboys.
The reason people compare the D4 to the D3S is because the D3S has set the stanndard for high ISO excellence...
The fact of the matter is that they don't "destroy" anything... using your logic one should also assume that the D3S sales trounced the 1D Mark IV ... which you, me and everybody else knows is not true...
You're constantly comparing a full frame sensor (D3S or D4) with a 1.3 crop factor sensor (1D Mark IV) ... to gain bragging rights about their ISO prowess... If thats seems like a fair comparison to you... by all means brag away...
The true test will be between the Canon 1D X & 5D Mark III ... In all probability the Nikon D800 will have APS-C level ISO performance at ISO 3200 and above... so one wouldn't really consider it a contender for anything other than resolution...
There is no denying that the D4 seems like a good all round camera... but its not going to set any precedence as far as low light photography goes...
So, they topped up the Martini?
I'm confused. You're all saying the D4 looks better but in my view on RAW mode the D3 looks better. I've checked about 4 different places and the D4 has so much more colour noise.
I agree. The D3s has better IQ
The D4 only looks better in the eyes of a Nikon fanboy... I don't know what people are looking at... or how they are trying to justify this mediocre performance by the D4 at high ISO's...
I cannot figure out where this supposed detail retention is in the D4 at ISO 6400 and above... It is generously smearing fibres, cloth patterns with finely tuned sharpenning trying to compensate for detail retention... and is clearly distorting the levels of pigment saturation...
Look at that colour chart as a prime example of a smudge fest... the D3S one looks almost perfect at ISO 6400 maintaining the squares in geometric symmetry... But the D4 sample looks like a polychromized semblance of an indistinct square with a "smooth" appearance.
But the fact still remains that numerous people across the board are realizing that the D3S is still top dog as far as high ISO is concerned...
There are only two legitimate contenders for the High ISO crown now... the Nikon D3S and the upcoming Canon 1D X.
One more thing... based upon the sample images i've seen & scrutinized... even the Canon 5D Mark III will give the D3S & D4 a run for their money... and probably come up trumps against the D4 throught the ISO scale...
@lensberg Can't figure out where the superior detail/per pixel sharpness at ISO 6400 and up? See the "Eastman Kodak Company, 1997" on the Kodak Greyscale Chart. On the D4 this text is clearly legible, on the D3s, barely. Not enough evidence? The queen of hearts. And this from a pre-production D4.
As far a 5D Mk III, you can say it all you want, but based on Canon Europe mediocre samples and what we know about the sensor technology of Nikon vs. Canon, I would wonder why you would.
Yes Photogas, there's so many guys on this forum who only see what they WANT to see rather than seeing what is obvious with neutral, open eyes.
I don't understand the debate. It's like asking any breakthrough product to have another breakthrough when it gets upgraded. It doesn't happen that way. The D4 is evolutionary at roughly equivalent IQ to the D3S. A decision was made clearly to have the output have more detail with slightly more noise at ISO 6400.
You get one of these because you need a full frame, integrated grip camera either for the new video feature or you are a photog with fast moving subjects and you shoot outdoors a lot. The upgrades in buffer, frame rates, weather sealing, etc. are nice.
As for Canon vs. Nikon, the issue is whose system are you already invests in.
The colour noise on the d4 is blown up more, because of the larger zoom factor(colour noise is not a single pixel, but a group of pixels). The difference is not really noticeable when you scale the images to the exact same size. Also the d3s image has much more softness on the sides en corners, so nothing there can really be used for comparison.
@ marike6 - I agree with your assessment that there are certain aspects in the test image that are reproduced better by the D4. Actually i was referring to the coloured squares on the left side of the chart...
Looking at the Kodak colour chart in its entirety, it is abundantly obvious that the Nikon D3S produces a crisper, sharper and a more faithful image than the D4.
Look at those little furry balls on top of the chart... the purple & red ones in particular... you can clearly distinguish the intricate fibres on each of them... by comparison the D4 produces a much more muted and artificial looking image...
Now look at the white-grey-black spectrum at the bottom of the chart... you can clearly see the differentiating definition that the D3S is able to achieve whilst progressing from dark grey to black... In the D4 sample... there is virtually no difference in the shades of back towards the end of the spectrum... and there is only a faint trace of individual borders visible...
Regarding the "Eastman Kodak Company, 1997" you mentioned... compare it against the Canon G1 X and look at the result... the grey is much better reproduced by the G1 X and the text is equally as well rendered...
Now at the same setting of ISO 6400 scroll over to the "KODAK Grey Scale"... and look at the quality of the Canon G1 X image... the grey background is cleaner & the text is much sharper...
@lensberg – I don't see what you're seeing. For the colour and greyscale charts the D3s and D4 are basically on par with each other. But i areas mentioned the D4 edges out slightly. Also check the Martini bottle, paperclips and the 'Tin Light'. I'm looking at ISOs above 6400 BTW.
I think the D3s 's DOF is slightly shifted forward and D4's slightly backward. Better said, one front focuses slightly the other back focuses slightly with the same lens. That's pretty evident (at least to me it is)
Really, do you will use astronomic ISO? Really, the most of people use up to 6400 iso. I don't need iso 204800, or even 12800. Shot what I can't see? No, really, I'm a photographer not a researcher.
Just the fact it is a little better than the d3s with 40% more pixels is huge! Not to mention the detail it preserves especially the red at ISP over 12800 which is extremely hard to do.
the pixels are 34% smaller in area. so if signal qualities are about the same at pixel level that will mean more than 0.4 stop improvement of image quality besides better resolution. Nikon says near 1 stop and I understand it as better sensor + better NR.
Sensor efficiency is at about the same level with both these cameras. Its going to be pretty hard to make a quantum leap, or any leap, with current tech. I would think if you have a D3s with lower shutter count, don't shoot much video, and are happy with the AF, you don't upgrade. Of course, If you don't have a D3s, the d4 for roughly the same price is a no brainer. Canons up next, looking forward to the reviews. I wonder if they managed to increase their sensor efficiency to the level of the D3s-d4.
I thought The 5D2 really held its own pretty well in this test, especially in the lighter areas of the test. it lost it in the shadows and blacks, at higher ISO, but the extra resolution seemed to help. Waiting to see if the text on the bottom of the watch dial can actually be read with the d800. I'm thinking yes.
even if the QEs are the same, D4 got better readout and that should be a major source of the improved quality.
yes 5D2 is still great. resolution itself means image quality so the expectation should be high for D800 which is likely to become a new standard.
'Its going to be pretty hard to make a quantum leap, or any leap, with current tech.'
You're absolutely right. Current technology has hit the end-stops.
C'mon guys, all these statements and analysis and nobody seems to care that exposure didn't seem same and that DOF was not same?
it's almost impossible to get the same exposure for different cameras. that's why most of my tests are through a single piece of Nikkor, not a very good one, for both Nikon and Canon bodies. but still I have no way to control shutter (I can set them to the same value though).
The D4 advantages for photographers (assumes you want an integrated grip 100% of the time you need full frame):
1. You won't be able to buy a D3S except used. So if this is your first FF camera with integrated grip...
2. Higher MP, especially useful for cropping. You must crop? A crooked hand held shot. Extra room for distortion management for a lens or to tilt a building up straight. A critter that is too hard to approach closely.
3. 10 fps for 10 seconds. Shoot anything that moves quickly? Sports. Wildlife.
4. Improved weather sealing for the outdoor shooter.
5. An XQD card with faster write speeds (eventually).
6. Weight savings vs. the D3S.
7. Under realistic shooting conditions, more shots per battery charge (5500 Nikon test vs. 2600 CIPA).
8. A chance to have a good video recorder around for special trips. Maybe not a reason to buy this, but it will come in handy.
Fanboys galore. I totally love it.
Would be even better if I had some popcorn.
Wow reading these comments it makes me think many were expecting miracles. Lets face it, the D3s is hard act to beat when it comes to noise preformance. The thing is Noise preformance isn't the only thing to consider when choosing a body. So what if the D3s and the D4 have similar or the same IQ? The D3s had class leading image quality and if the D4 is the same but with more megapixels what is there to be disappointed about? It's not like everyone has been thinking "gee I wish the D3s had better noise preformance."
The D4 has many other improvements over the D3s to make it a worthwhile successor even if the image quality is only slightly better or the same. You have to look at the whole camera not just one aspect that really didn't need improving anyway.
I would have expected
- marginally more high ISO and DR - kind of as clean at 6400 as D3S at 3200
- higher (not the same) IQ and detail at low iso
recent years have been full of innovation. look at the mirrorless. the Fujix100 shoots awesome pics, and now the samples of the X1Pro look like what aD3S might look like on an APS C sensor.
anyway... yes, expectations were too high. lets see what 800s look like!
I think some people are slightly disappointed that this is all Nikon comes up with after 2.5 years.
Don't get me wrong - while I totally adore my a55 (I'm not a pro by any means), I'd love to have a D4.
@ Dr GP
But Sony and/or Nikon didn't make any of the sensors in those cameras. Why would they be any indication of what should be expected for the D4?
Are we reaching a limit of what the modern lens, sensor and processing electronics can do, which is quite amazing if we think about it. Asking for 4 stops above 400 to be stellar?
I've got 2 of these on order and I have to confess that these test shots are making me think twice. From what I can make out, the images seem better on the D3s above 6400 (which is where I usually find myself). In real terms the D3s is truly excellent - I was expecting the D4 to be at least as good. Not sure what to do now as 2xD4 is a lot of money to waste!!
What's your application? I am getting more detail out of the D4 files at ISO 12800 vs. the D3s. Maybe not enough for real world. But I am getting no worse with 4 MP more. For my bird photography, the ability to crop more is huge. Also the D4 essential comes with an installed buffer upgrade for those of us who need high frame rates. 10 seconds of 10 fps shooting is huge.
Unfortunately I don't have the D4 yet - sounds like you may have.
My application is in dance and performance and it is low light and at high speed. The D3s is a good camera! Any improvement would be a real help, but any degradation would also be noticeable so I am exercised about the possibility of the D4 not performing as well as the D3s. If it delivers the same image quality / noise / colour rendition etc. at 12800 or 25k and beyond then I would be happy. I expect it to focus better and the overall ergonomics to also be improved.
Bottom line - Improved focus with same high ISO as D3s would make me happy - i'm not looking for miracles, just a modest improvement at the extremes.
It is time for you to think about jumping ship to canon 1DX
One more addition to my prior analysis.
if you play with the raw files in NX, an play with noise reduction and saturation and and part. sharpness, it seems to me you can "get a bit more out of the D4" raw file. But again, the differences are REALLY small.
The Nikon D4 is essentially an overhyped camera... but i suppose that was to be expected considering the fact that it was propped up prematurely to assume the high ISO crown from the D3S.
Considering the fact that there is a 2½ year time span between the D3S & D4 ... Nikon seem to have made virtually no advances regarding ISO performance...
Just look at that furry patch that resembles tiger skin at ISO 6400 on the D4 and you'll notice severe ammounts of noise reduction at work... blurring out the fine textures & fibres completely... by contrast the D3 & Canon 1D Mark IV manage to preserve the textures whilst delivering a natural looking image...
The intricate pattern on the green & purple fabric is totally smeared out by the D4 though funnily the white cross fibres remain intact ... Now compare it to the D3s sample which is excellent... even the 1D IV manages to retain more detail...
The green & purple clothe, smeared out it is not. The Queen of Hearts at ISO 6400, the D4 is much sharper that all the others, and in general it has the best balance of clean IQ high ISO and sharpness/detail. Overhyped? With uncompressed HDMI out, class leading high ISO performance, high fps, etc. Doesn't sound like hype to me. Sounds awesome.
awesome yes if you never had a d3s. If you do, you feel limited progress has been made (outside the video). All around D4 is a much better tool than D3S, but clearly we all had hoped to not just get D3S + Video and a few more ergonomic buttons after 2.5 years.
You must be looking at the JPEGs, the NEFs tell a completely different story. The D4 retains quite a bit more detail and better color accuracy than the DS3, pretty much across the board, and is comparable in noise when viewed at the same resolution.
Looking at the 1D Mark IV, though, I'd say there's not much to choose between the D4 and 1D Mark IV, given appropriate noise reduction and sharpening, etc.
the D4 is a big disappointment at iso below 6400 compared to the others.... maybe video freaks will be happy with it but im a photographer and i care a s h*t about video.
from a new camera i expect more then be "on par" with 3 year old models.
agree with marika6!
and for the ones who are dissapointed: it is not the D4's fault that is (ovarall) only a bit better than D3s, it is the D3s that was so goooood... :)
If these pre production D4 files resemble the final D4 (and why would Nikon allow DP to use it if not), then I would agree that the IQ of the D4 is totally overhyped
we may be reaching the limits of tech. advances because of physics limitations, from now on those with the best and most creative coders will win
@Henry H. Hertz Video freaks? aside, you must be quite a talented photographer if the D4 is not a good enough camera for you. Where can we see your work? What camera do you presently use?
Simply "on par" with the 3 others it is not, however. It completely outperforms the 2 Canons as expected and is equal or better than D3s at high ISO with higher resolution and better edge sharpness. Not sure what you're seeing below ISO 6400...and I'm not sure I care.
Henry H. Hertz is just a canon fanboy drunk on koolaid. Just look at his comments on the 5D3 news posts. He is down right abusive to many who dared criticize his beloved Canon or who disagrees with him.
@ atamola
These ARE shots from a production D4, not a pre-production model.
@Jexmark yes, you are rigth. For some reason I thought it was a pre production D4. Well, that settles it for me then: the IQ is not better than that of the D3s (it has some extra features though that can make it a compelling upgrade for a lot of people).
imho the D4 is disappointing in terms of ISO performance in the most useable area below iso 6400.
not that the performance is bad!
just disappointing for a new camera when you compare it to the older models.
It seems to me that the D4 is better than any other of it's competitors, but we are yet to see samples from the Canon 1D-X. Then again, if I had a D3s I doubt I'd buy it... A different thing would be if I came from an older model, like the D3 or if wanted to jump from a lower category. Still, I think there's room in the market for a "baby D4" (16Mp, FF, around 8-9fps, in a lighter D800 body). Nikon should understand that in these times of economic slump not every photojournalist can spend 6000$ in a pro-body.
I spend 1 hour "pixel peeping"
My net conclusion: I am disappointed. The core IQ has essentially NOT improved over D3S
1. Comparison of raw file at ISO 100
Across the frame, the IQ is virtually the same. Some truly marginal differences, though:
- D4 has a tiny bit higher resolution, but it seems to depend on color of object whether this is visible. The reds seem cripser
- However, D3S seems to have slightly more saturated colors.
- D4 resolves text marginally higher, but you really have to look closely at a 300% magnification to say "I think there is a small difference"
2. At ISO 6400 -- which is the upper limit I am shooting at
In the center of the image, there are NO, absolutely no differences.
At the margin, towards edges , D4 resolves letters a bit clearer
Likely, that this is not a sensor issue but a result of shooting D4 at F11 and D3S at F8.
The Plus of D4 : A bunch of new features & video -- some of which will only be useful for a small subset of pros.
Go above ISO6400 and try shadow areas.
I agree with you. IQ has essentially not been improved.
I would add that the D3s delivers higher IQ .
I will add that this is a pre production D4... but I really don't expect the final product to be mcuh different.
Just did the same for 102400 ISO. SAME result - No difference. Except, D3S picture had some yellow dots in some areas.
I also downsampled the D4 to same size as D3S. Whatever differences there are, they are soooo minor that I have to say "Nikon after 2.5 more years, REALLY?"
Again, some features have definitely improved and they will make for a more pleasant pic taking. I have D4 and D800E on order, and will leave them open for now awaiting more tests, but for now I am a bit sad !!
Maybe/probably D4 will have better DR, and the load of new technology especially for video is THE reason to buy D4 instead of D3s (and not the improved SNR)
P.S. maybe we have reached the limits of CMOS technology with D3s in therms of noise performance
So basically you are saying the D4 is a 16 MP version of the D3s. I fail to see the problem. Same great noise preformance but more resolution.
@ Josh -- I guess my point was I almost dont see any evidence of more resolution. Its almost invisible, and visible only at like 300% in certain color channels.
So yes, D4 is a great camera -- just not a step up from D3S in terms of IQ.
4 mp more (4 mp you don´t notice) after 3 years... great achievement!!
I'm with you Josh. Those of us who need to crop benefit greatly. Bird photography for me. It is like we got a 25% zoom factor.
@ DR GP and Henry M. Hertz
I said the D4 was basically a D3s with 16 mp but really that is not true.
The D4 also has better metering, AF, video, LCD, Buffer, FPS, an Ethernet port, light up buttons, and what ever else I am forgetting. You have to look at the camera as a whole.
I assume that like the Nikon D3s and D700, the D4 will shoot directly into Tiff.
Any chance of DPReview doing the test setup shot as tiffs and then posting those tiffs for download? Yes, I get that the test scene doesn't contain much in the way of subtle color or subtle shading. But tiffs are better than jpegs.
This Nikon needs to be pretty well on the money with this D4, Fujifilm has the x-pro1 almost at market and their new organic sensor technology waiting in the wings.
Oh, I didn't realize the X-Pro 1 shot at 10fps, had a huge RAW buffer, one of the best AF systems available, and a big selection of super telephoto lenses. I'll have to look at the press release again, because that's what it would need to put it on my radar as an alternative to the D4.
Oh wait, actually even if it had all that it wouldn't be an alternative, because I'm not one of those nuts who switches systems every time a new body comes out. In fact the only cameras I'm worried about comparing the D4's performance to are other Nikons, because that's what I use. How it compares to Canon really isn't relevant to me because I'm not going to sell an entire system of pro lenses, flashes and accessories because some non-photographers think another totally unrelated camera, that absolutely can't fill the same role, might have higher image quality. Remember, for the people who actually uses these cameras to take pictures, absolute image quality is just one of many important factors.
I use canons but I admire the D3s.Even more the D4.
However, I have never seen better files than the sigma on a small dslr.Im also not fond of the sigma body, I m not convinced, but the IMAGE QUALITY... more to the medium format side today !!!
No, I'm not trying to be disparaging about Nikon, merely saying that they need to respond to what else is entering the market.
I may be alone in being willing to change systems but it is in every nikon full fame users interest that Nikon remains viable and not end up like Kodak.
My D5100 stayed with the big boys up to ISO 3200.
How's the weather sealing, and autofocus speed? And you have Capture NX 2.3.1?
How's your wallet?
In two or maybe three weeks, I'm going for one. For a D5100. I love it even it's not in my hands yet.
You must be delusional or by "big boys" you aren't referring to the D4. Side by side, the D5100 is noticeably worse than the D4 even at ISO 200. Some colors (magenta, purple) are horrid even at 100 on the D5100. If you're by chance looking at jpeg instead of raw, you might also want to note the loss of detail in the D5100's NR.
now i know why nikon is stealing canon work:
Remember, Henry, think calm thoughts. When the rage starts to take hold, focus on a bunny rabbit or something.
you feel the rage too pomeroy.. do you?
the bast*rds stealing work without asking the person and then it´s canon footage too.... ridiculous.
lol one, unsubstantiated claim is meaningless.
Hardly an unsubstantiated claim.
Nikon Norway have publicly apologised to the photographer, who indeed uses Canon. The matter have been discussed on HQ level in Tokyo, and they will also pay him twice his minimum rate for commercial use as damages.
Very useful. I was shocked to see how well the 1D Mk1v that has the same resolution on a smaller sensor does. But not happy at all with DP's exclusion of the 1Ds MkIII, and the 1Ds MkII.
To be able to compare files from a 1Ds MkII with those from its equivalent Nikon D4 (same sensor size and resolution) would allow everyone to judge progress since 2004.
And to exclude the 1Ds MkIII is wrong-its Canon's current top pro camera
D4 is definitely no better than D3S despite having a larger sensor. Can't wait to see 1Dx performances.
Got the raws and Capture NX 2.3.1 do you?
howaboutraw it´s you fulltime job to make excuses for nikon?
Uh... the D4 has the same size sensor as the D3S. The resolution is a bit higher, and the technology is newer.
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I'd say the same, and basically have, about those posting comments on the jpegs from the CANON 5D III.
You could have bothered to check.
There is no point in drawing general conclusions about a dslr without raws and the software to extract those raws to the tiff format.
Done showing your ignorance of dslr photography?
HowaboutRAW, showing your ignorance of raw processing software? Nikon Capture NX 2 2.3.1 has been out for some time and, *yes* we do have the raws and have been working with them, thank you.
That's not the version one can get as trialware, now who is showing ignorance.
I already asked that question, and had it answered correctly, earlier today, in this forum. That you can't be bothered to find out the the trialware is still v2.3.1 is your problem.
Many here are not commenting on raws at all or are not commenting on anything more than what shows up in the DPReview sample box.
It's hard to imagine that you were so obtuse as to make that second mistake too, but you did.
You can see below were I comment on your past comment. You really should have known to look at what trialware version number is.
Nikon D3s still a winner in terms of ISO.
I can't wait to see the 5DMIII and 1Dx.
the real question for many is how does the D800 fares.
it looks like there is not much improvement over the D3s.
now 36 MP on a sensor will not make it easyer to shine on medium and high iso.
and spare me the downsampling crap....
i don´t buy a 36 MP camera to downsample all my images. that is plain stupid.
i buy a 36 MP camera because i want to print real big or crop the hell out of the images..... so no downsampling possible.
in fact i do nothing like that.. but that would be the reason for a 36 MP camera and it´s huge files.
if i print a maximum of A3 there is no reason for a 36MP camera and i rather go with a faster camera and less MP.
Surprising D3s fare better than D4. Nikon made a stupid move by joining in the mega pixel race, at the expense of noise. Who would wants a noisy megapixel camera?
many people!
Maybe you were looking at a different set of images than I was. The D4 was better in every criteria, tone smoothness, noise, color etc. If you can't see the difference, you should not buy one. It is not for you. But those who can see the difference will make the d4 a very popular camera in the niche market of flagship cameras.
haha if it makes you feel better?? the d3s and D4 are just about the same in higher ISO's look at the charts again. I had one one on order but now I can keep my D3s and buy some 1.4g lenses instead !
Thanks for this test. It is a great tool! Can't wait to see all four new Canon & Nikon cameras side by side for a comparison.
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text: Seeing the event live my first impressions were Aaron first, Farris second. Max Aaron stands around a lot but he flies around the rink and although his PCS are lacking his program was electric that night. Miner was quite good and Jeremy was just frustrating to watch at the end. I have no problem with Aaron going to Worlds this year. The USFS needs to look past Sochi to 2018 for our men and set us up properly. There is very little chance a US man will be a factor in Sochi, so let's just move on and get our young guys out there. I don't think it is unrealistic for Aaron to make Fernandez-like improvements over the next couple of years. I don't find his basics bad and his speed is great. Before Nationals he was a middling Senior Man and not much of a factor, so his programs were set up with technical fire power to break into the last group, IMO. The strategy was to get him noticed on domestic soil and next year will be about international success. Is he our best hope for the next quad? I don't know, but I see him having great long term potential and its useless to send Jeremy out again and again with no real results. Personally, I like Farris and Johnson, and I wouldn't count Dornbush out just yet. I am not much of a fan of Brown and I think Armin and Messing need to really re-think their strategies. There was a lot of nice performances in men and I am going to wait to see how worlds pans out.


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Entering his 10th season as the leader of the BYU football team, here are my top 10 reasons (in no particular order) why coach Bronco Mendenhall is still the right guy for the job.
Camp Cougar, Day 16
Greg Wrubell | posted Aug 19th - 3:58pm
With two-a-days done, BYU football training camp is winding to a close.
BYU's Sorensen has a chance to stick with Chiefs
Dave Noriega | posted Aug 18th - 2:34pm
Former BYU strong safety Daniel Sorensen has a chance to stick with the Kansas City Chiefs, an impressive accomplishment for an undrafted free-agent.
WCC announces men's basketball schedule; BYU opens up against Gonzaga
Jason Shepherd | posted Aug 18th - 2:32pm
BYU basketball begins WCC play against Gonzaga as the West Coast Conference releases its men's basketball conference schedule.
Cougar Sports Saturday: August 16, 2014
Jason Shepherd | posted Aug 16th - 6:00pm
The CSS crew recapped the BYU scrimmage and looked ahead to the season opener at UConn.
Camp Cougar, Day 13
Greg Wrubell | posted Aug 15th - 11:18pm
An estimated crowd of 12,000 saw the BYU football team conduct its second scrimmage of training camp on Friday night.
Commentary: Athletes won't get paid without penalties
Jon Oglesby | posted Aug 15th - 10:31am
The Ed O'Bannon case has once again brought forth the idea that student-athletes deserve a share of revenues, but that share will carry unwanted burdens with it for the athletes.
Camp Cougar, Day 12
Greg Wrubell | posted Aug 14th - 4:45pm
With his team's next scrimmage a day away, BYU head coach Bronco Mendenhall says depth-chart battles will be a primary focus on Friday night.
Bills brings leadership to a BYU secondary in flux
Kyle Spencer | posted Aug 14th - 10:15am
For a secondary adjusting to new additions and players returning from injuries, safety Craig Bills has provided BYU with consistent leadership, while the competition for other spots in the defensive backfield is still open.
Ice Bucket Challenge sweeping the nation; Rod Zundel issues local challenge
Lindsey Peterson | posted Aug 13th - 10:53pm
The Strike Out ALS: Ice Bucket Challenge is taking over social media with politicians, athletes and celebrities taking part.
Camp Cougar, Day 10
Greg Wrubell | posted Aug 12th - 4:22pm
BYU head coach Bronco Mendenhall called Day 10 of training camp a "doldrum day."
BYU WR Blackmon says he'll be suspended for opener
Kyle Spencer | posted Aug 11th - 7:25pm
BYU will be without another offensive playmaker in its season opener after wide receiver Devon Blackmon said on Twitter that he'll be suspended for the Aug. 29 game at UConn.
Best defensive players in Mendenhall era
Dylan Cannon, KSL.com Contributor | posted Aug 11th - 11:40am
The 2014-2015 season will mark Bronco Mendenhall's 10th year at the helm of BYU's football team. First, I looked at the best offensive performers in the Mendenhall era. As a follow-up, here are the best defensive performers from that same peri
Cougar Sports Saturday: August 9, 2014
Jason Shepherd | posted Aug 9th - 6:00pm
The CSS crew recapped BYU's scrimmage, plus discussed the loss of Cougar wide receiver, Nick Kurtz for 6-8 weeks.
Camp Cougar, Day 8
Greg Wrubell | posted Aug 9th - 3:40pm
A scrimmage that began with unwelcome news saw the BYU offense "win the day," according to head coach Bronco Mendenhall.
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