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State of the City speech filled with unsupported promises
It was maddening to watch Mayor Ed Lee deliver his annual State of the City address this morning. This was pure politics, from the staged backdrop of housing construction at Hunters Point Shipyard to the use of "regular people" props to the slate of vague and contradictory promises he made.
"This place, the shipyard, links our proud past to an even more promising future," was how Lee began his hour-plus, invite-only address.
Later, he touted the housing construction being done there by Lennar Urban as emblematic of both his promise to bring 30,000 new housing units online by 2020 — the cornerstone to what he called his "affordability agenda" — and the opposition to unfettered development that he is pledging to overcome.
"A great example is the place we're standing right now. This took us too long," Lee said after decrying the "easy slogans and scapegoating" by progressive activists who place demands on developers.
But that implication was complete bullshit. As we and others have reported, progressive and community activists have long encouraged Lennar Urban (which has a close relationship to Lee) to speed up development on this public land that it was given almost a decade ago, particularly the long-promised affordable housing, rather than waiting for the real estate market to heat up.
That was just one of many examples of misleading and unsupported claims in a speech that might have sounded good to the uninformed listener, but which greatly misrepresented the current realities and challenges in San Francisco.
For example, Lee called for greater investments in the public transit system while acknowledging that his proposal to ask voters this November to increase the vehicle license fee isn't polling well. And yet even before that vote takes place, Lee wants to extend free Muni for youth and repeal the policy of charging for parking meters on Sundays without explaining how he'll pay for that $10 million per year proposal.
"Nobody likes it, not parents, not our neighborhood businesses, not me," Lee said of Sunday meters, ignoring a study last month by the San Francisco Muncipal Transportation Agency showing the program was working well and accomplishing its goals of increasing parking turnover near businesses and bringing in needed revenue.
Lee also glossed over the fact that he hasn't provided funding for the SFMTA's severely underfunded bicycle or pedestrian safety programs, yet he still said, "I support the goals of Vision Zero to eliminate traffic deaths in our city."
Again, nice sentiment, but one that is totally disconnected from how he's choosing to spend taxpayer money and use city resources. And if Lee can somehow achieve his huge new housing development push, Muni and other critical infrastructure will only be pushed to the breaking point faster.
Lee acknowledges that many people are being left out of this city's economic recovery and are being displaced. "Jobs and confidence are back, but our economic recovery has still left thousands behind," he said, pledging that, "We must confront these challenges directly in the San Francisco way."
And that "way" appears to be by making wishful statements without substantial support and then letting developers and venture capitalists — such as Ron Conway, the tech and mayoral funder seated in the second row — continue calling the shots.
Even with his call to increase the city's minimum wage — something that "will lift thousands of people out of poverty" — he shied away from his previous suggestion that $15 per hour would be appropriate and said that he needed to consult with the business community first.
"We'll seek consensus around a significant minimum wage increase," he said, comparing it to the 2012 ballot measures that reformed the business tax and created an Affordable Housing Fund (the tradeoff for which was to actually reduce the on-site affordable housing requirements for developers).
But Mayor Lee wants you to focus on his words more than his actions, including his identication with renters who "worry that speculators looking to make a buck in a hot market will force them out."
Yet there's little in his agenda to protect those vulnerable renters, except for his vague promise to try to do so, and to go lobby in Sacramento for reforms to the Ellis Act. While in Sacramento, he says he'll also somehow get help for City College of San Francisco, whose takeover by the state and usurpation of local control he supported.
"City College is on the mend and already on the path to full recovery," Lee said, an astoundingly out-of-touch statement that belies the school's plummeting enrollment and the efforts by City Attorney Dennis Herrera and others to push back on the revocation of its accreditation.
Lee also had the audacity to note the "bone dry winter" we're having and how, "It reminds us that the threat of climate change is real." Yet none of the programs he mentions for addressing that challenge — green building standards, more electric vehicle infrastructure, the GoSolar program — would be as effective at reducing greenhouse gas emmisions as the CleanPowerSF program that Lee and his appointees are blocking, while offering no other plan for building renewable energy capacity.
Far from trying to beef up local public sector resources that vulnerable city residents increasingly need, or with doing environmental protection, Lee instead seemed to pledge more of the tax cutting that he's used to subsidize the overheating local economy.
"Affordability is also about having a city government taxpayers can afford," Lee said. "We must be sure we're only investing in staffing and services we can afford over the long term."
How that squares with his pledges to put more resources into public transit, affordable housing development, addressing climate change, and other urgent needs that Lee gives lip service to addressing is anybody's guess.
us voters gave him a mandate to do that over the anti-jobs, anti-growth alternative whom you presumably supported.
Lee is delivering on that mandate and he should be commended for keeping his word and doing what we the people told him to do.
Steven, you lost this battle and this debate. so why do you want the Mayor to enact policies that we the voters overwhelmingly rejected?
ALL that any city official can do. It's a State law and the city is forbidden to pass any laws that seek to violate Ellis.
Almost every San Francisco politician agrees that we must reform the Ellis Act. But what are the specific reforms?
Mark Leno tried to change the law to require a 5 year ownership period before the Ellis Act can be invoked, but received ZERO support from other legislators. What is different today?
or any other city politician thinks about it.
In fact, if you study the history of Elllis, you would learn that Ellis was passed specifically to over-ride local politicians!
increase in the minimum wage and certainly $15 which would be a near 50% increase. Some business would fold or relocate of that happened, while other businesses that would have moved to or opened in SF would now not. Hiring may be cut or some folks may be let go because they do not add $15 in value for each hour worked.
It would be irresponsible for a mayor to enact a higher minimum wage without consultation. You want him to do that purely for ideological grounds with no real analysis or assessment of the impact. And that is why Lee is mayor and you're a hack writer on a free giveaway weekly.
That, in a nut shell, a very small nut shell, is what Steven doesn't understand.
Why consult business? Just make the minimum wage $15 and everyone will make 50% more money, right? The businesses will have no alternative but to pay the extra money, right? Businesses don't take staff costs into account when deciding to locate or keep jobs in the city.
Just like the famous 'corporate welfare' for Twitter. Why not just tax their stock options? Twitter would just explain to their loyal investors whey they were too lazy to move to Brisbane.
On that last one even Mirkarimi and Avalos knew that we would never see the tax revenue from Twitter's options. That money exists only in Progressive Fantasyland
would a $15 a hour minimum wage make everyone 50% richer, but the economy would grow by 50% because of all that money magically created.
Steven is like the kid who always wants more because he cannot see who would have to pay for it. If he ran the Fed he would print 50% more money so we could all be 50% richer.
the 1% are getting richer. 1% - 15% are staying the same. The rest of us are getting poorer.
how much wealth you create. It's entirely possible that you are poor and yet still overpaid.
What the fuck? Who the fuck are you to say what is and is not important to anyone else?
It cannot be news to you that that is how most Americans think.
C'mon, Marcos, everybody knows Guest is omnistical.
This has to be computer generated, no human being would construct such a post:
"How much money you have is less important than
how much wealth you create. It's entirely possible that you are poor and yet still overpaid. "
People get paid according to the value they generate and not based on what they think they need, would like or aspire to.
So one guy on a million a year is underpaid if he generates 2 million in value. While another making 20K a year is overpaid because there is little value add.
teaches that price = marginal cost = marginal revenue. "Value" is subjective and plays no role in theories of supply and demand, whether for goods or services like labor.
A good economics professor will emphasize that these theories rely on numerous assumptions that largely explain away real world conditions. For example, multiple buyers and sellers, transparent information.
That should tell you something.
Salaries, or "value," is based on what someone is willing to pay. If someone helps the rich get richer, he/she gets a big salary, versus if someone helps thousands of poor people, or helps preserve the planet's biodiversity, he/she doesn't get a big salary, even if the "value" is greater to a society that holds basic moral values.
So "value" is a very short-term and subjective measure the way you're using it. Bernie Madoff got rich because of the "value" he provided to his clients, even though it was an immoral Ponzi scheme that would ultimately fail. It's the same thing for many of the well-paid executives in the FIRE industries, which are also based on short-term gain but behavior that is reckless and doomed over the long haul.
Pretty funny seeing Steven lecture other people on "Econ 101".
way that means that an activist is worth ten times the pay of a doctor.
If you think activists are valuable, just imagine how valuable the editor of a failing newspaper is!
How many words you post is less important than how much sense you make.
It's entirely possible you could post a million words and still not say anything.
attention from the fact that his ideas are stale and have been proven wrong.
Except that voters chose de Blasio over Quinn and Lhota, they chose Obama over H. Clinton and McCain/Romney. California voters choose the more liberal statewide officials over the more conservative regularly.
It is only where corporate interests make it a priority to spend commensurate with the profits to be wrung out of government and the economy via rent seeking and where liberals have been coopted into surrender via nonprofits where the moderate and conservative candidates win.
gave the GOP a majority in the House.
So clearly your hopelessly simplistic over-generalization is wrong.
Voters realized their error and are changing polarities. Obama's kicking his constituency in the groin after they elected him to govern center left and he gave them the individual mandate caused the liberal base to stay home, not wanting to throw good money after bad. This caused the Democrats to lose, rightly, and the Republicans to take the statehouses during redistricting. The Republican gerrymandered to the extent that Democrat candidates, as lame as they are, got more popular vote than the Republicans.
In 2012, Democrats won 50.59 percent of the two-party vote. Still, they won just 46.21 percent of seats, leaving the Republicans with 234 seats and Democrats with 201.
This is all because when Republicans win elections they attack the Democrats but when Democrats win elections, they attack the Democrat base with a vengeance and implement Republican policies. This car only turns to the right, elections determine how fast and sharp the turn will be. The turn to the right is sharper and faster under Democrats.
that "when the left wins an election, it's the voice of the people, but when the riggt win an election, the result is a fraud".
You have often admitted defeat in politics. What you say to rationalize that failure hardly matters.
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that cannot do business while paying its workers a humane wage should fail. Econ 101. No decent human being will follow such a business to Brisbane.
And by uninformed listener in "sounded good to the uninformed listener" you mean someone not brainwashed to the SFBG progressive POV, equivalent to Rush's low information voter... a non-believer, in other words.
Build, Ed, build!
mayor running for office on a platform of "doing nothing and building nothing". And yet that is exactly what some SF progressives and NIMBY's want.
Not surprisingly, they are all political failures and losers. The voters have spoken.
I also can't believe that the Mayor of San Francisco can't had the audacity to mention the drought situation endangering the city.
Doesn't he realize that if we had purchased those credits from Shell that there wouldn't be a drought? And that the Sierra snow pack would be miles high right now?
To say nothing of the disastrous typhoon that Ed Lee caused in the Philippines last year.
Why can't anyone else connect the dots the way that Steven T. Jones does?.
Well Steven, I hope you were very well compensated to sit through this bull shit of lies, propaganda, "just say anything" and newspeak. I honestly couldn't do it. In fact, I didn't even read what you quoted that he said. I can't do that either. I read your response instead. I'm sick of hearing lies from corrupt lying political hacks who are owned by other people and work for them while pretending to work for the voters/the people and speak to the people in lofty pretty, empty words. I have zero respect for this conservative piece of work who pretends to be a "moderate," and his rabid conservative corporatist shills keep wallpapering this site with that lie/propaganda. As far as I'm concerned, he's a Fraud. Respect must be earned and this man has done nothing to earn anyone's respect.
SFBG appears to believe.
You're entitled to not like Ed Lee but you're not entitled to think that is anything other than a fringe minority view.
meetings that he knows he will hate.
Although I'd have paid to watch Steven's face while he listened to a popular mayor outlining his popular politics to a group of people far more popular than Steven.
That would never be possible when your head is firmly planted in Lee's upper colon. There's no way you could see Steven's face from there. BTW, did you just learn the word "popular" today? You used it 3 times in one sentence. Since you're learning a word a day, here's your word for tomorrow: Sucker.
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Adding to that:
This Lee works for Rose Pak, Willie Brown, the Chamber of Commerce, venture capitalist(s), The Real Estate Industrial Complex and their Corrupt Liars, and The Tech Surveillance-State Industrial Complex and their Gentrification and Eviction Shuttles, et al. In other words: Corporations and Corporatists.
We The People (the average person) are not part of the equation.
That's the only problem with your claim that the people aren't behind Ed Lee. It's not true. They are.
What the average person looks like depends on where you're sitting in the theater, so to speak.
From my POV, the average person works or wants a job. From another, the average person is a multi-millionaire. And from yet another, it's someone who doesn't work but believes it's the city government's job to support and house him.
From my point of view, Lee is doing a bang up good job, despite having to pay occasional lip service to the nut jobs on the left.
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Lucky for you, I'm not becoming punked.
"and their Gentrification and Eviction Shuttles,"
Yes, for the idiots who are too self-absorbed and self-entitled to live close to where they work. Even my 90-year old conservative neighbor understands that. Her granddaughter is moving and she told her granddaughter, "make sure your new apartment is close to work as there are so many advances to that."
I thought: Damn, even she gets that! These techies and their shills/hacks don't. They'd rather commute on a Gentrification and Eviction Shuttle (I'm talking specifically about Genetech in this case) that uses green-washing propaganda on the back of their bus reading: "this bus takes 120 cars off the street." BS/PR/LIE. When actually that Gentrification and Eviction Shuttle (Genetech) only holds up to 56 people maximum (because there are 12-14 rows per side with 2 seats per row).
More green-washing lies from a corporation.
shuttle. Then I wrote a comment on the SFBG sharing my results. After that I checked the Internet to see if my EBC had refilled so I could buy lentils at Rainbow." - A San Francisco Progressive's Lament: 2014.
"When actually that Gentrification and Eviction Shuttle (Genetech) only holds up to 56 people maximum (because there are 12-14 rows per side with 2 seats per row)."
I wrote the comment I'm quoting above. I was waiting for the 33 again this evening and had more time to count the number of seats on the Genetech Gentrification and Eviction Shuttle. There are 10 rows (not 12-14 rows as I originally said) and the rows are not aligned. (They are not across from each other.) They are staggered rows. So there's even less passenger capacity on the Genetech Gentrification and Eviction Shuttle than I had originally thought and wrote. So if every seat is occupied, that is only removing 40 cars off the streets (and not 120 as they lie/claim). Didn't Genetech think that a questioning mind(s) would count the number of seats to question their green-washing propaganda/bull shit about "120 cars removed from the streets?"
how many trips does it take? that may be how they came to that number.
Well let's see here. If a person goes to work that's one trip. Understand? When they come back from work that's two trips. Understand? But still, that would only be one car if s/he were driving. Now let's review. Now how many trips is that? That's two trips. So if the Genetech Gentrification and Eviction shuttle were full, that would be 40 people each trip or 40 cars taken off the streets each trip (but that's giving them the benefit of the doubt that they mean round trip even though they don't say round trip anywhere on the back of the shuttle).
Now 40 + 40 = 80. Correct? Now let's review. On the back of their bus it says "120 cars taken off the street." Now let's review:
120 cars supposedly taken off the streets
- 80 cars taken off the street by 40 techies round trip IF at full-capacity
40 (WTF?) 40 missing cars in their calculation. (Hmmmmmmm). So 40 cars are still missing in their calculation, and these people are supposed to be bright people who can't do simple math?
Now let's review: That means that Genetech is over-stating (lying/green-washing) about how many cars are taken off the street. Even round-trip and at full-capacity, they are still lying/green-washing. Even though they don't use the words "round trip" on the back of the Genetech Gentrification and Eviction shuttle and when one looks on the shuttle it's rare to have more than 5 people or so riding the thing.
If this explanation isn't sufficient for you, I can draw you a picture, but you would have to provide the crayons. Even some useless, sad-life troll should be able to grasp this, no? Remember this in school? It's remedial math. End of review.
what if it makes 3 round trips?
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Hot off the announcement of worldwide BlackBerry 10 events in January, RIM has introduced an awesome new version of BBM today. BBM version 7 includes some great updated features including the new BBM Voice. BBM Voice lets you instantly initiate a voice call with BBM friends for free over a Wi-Fii connection.
In any BBM conversation, simply tap the call button and you'll start a voice call - it's that simple. BBM Voice will add some great depth to BBM, providing you the ability to escalate a chat to a voice call when the situation calls for it. This feature should be huge in emerging markets or for anyone calling long distance as there will be no long-distance charges.
Additionally, in BBM you'll be able to see each users status as well so you'll know who is available for a call and who isn't. When on a call you'll see a split-screen view and can still use any other apps on your device. So you can still use the chat function as well as send pictures within BBM or even check email or use the browser.
BBM Voice is included in BBM version 7 which is available in the BlackBerry Beta Zone. If you don't have a Beta Zone account you can register for one from the link below. Don't worry if you're not seeing it yet, it'll be along soon. We'll have plenty more on all the features of BBM 7 soon so stay tuned. Keep reading for the full press release.
Check out more in the BlackBerry Beta Zone
WATERLOO, ON - For the times when you want to hear a friend's laughter instead of reading LOL, BlackBerry® Messenger (BBMTM) is taking the social networking experience to a whole new level with an exciting new feature called BBM Voice. Research In Motion (RIM) (NASDAQ: RIMM; TSX: RIM) today announced BBM version 7, a free update for the globally popular mobile social network, which will allow customers to make free voice calls to other BBM customers in the world over a Wi-Fi® connection*.
BBM is a fast, convenient and inexpensive service for BlackBerry® customers that gives them the ability to instantly chat with a friend, family member or colleague, and know when their message has been delivered, and read. With the new version of BBM, customers have a new option - they can talk with their BBM contact across the globe for free over a Wi-Fi connection. In an instant, customers can switch between texting and talking, or talk and text at the same time. For consumers, especially in developing markets, the BBM Voice feature offers an attractive way to talk with friends and family near and far, and staying in contact will be easier than ever as the holiday season approaches. For business customers, BBM Voice allows for enriched collaboration.
"BBM is the quick, easy way to stay connected to the people that matter to you, and with today's announcement we're expanding the capabilities of the service for deeper social engagement and even greater collaboration, beginning with voice functionality," said T.A. McCann, Vice President of BBM and Social Communities at RIM. "The new BBM Voice feature is for when you're travelling and you want to call home without worrying about phone charges. It's for when you have news you can't wait to share, for quickly explaining complicated details, and collaborating with colleagues. Whenever your ideas are too big for text, there's BBM Voice."
BBM Voice includes a number of convenient features.
Another important feature of BBM version 7 is its integration with a customer's BlackBerry ID, which is designed to back up their BBM profile, groups and contacts so they can automatically be restored in the event they switch to a new BlackBerry smartphone, including to a BlackBerry® 10 device.
BBM version 7 with the new BBM Voice feature is currently available in Beta for BlackBerry smartphones running the BlackBerry® 6 OS or higher with support planned for smartphones running the BlackBerry 5 OS at a future date. The Beta can be downloaded for free from BlackBerry Beta Zone**. Customers can sign up to BlackBerry Beta Zone for free at www.BlackBerry.com/betazone
For more information about BBM version 7 and BBM Voice, please visit www.BlackBerry.com/betazone.
* BBM requires a BlackBerry service plan. The BBM Voice feature requires a Wi-Fi connection with access to the Internet and may not be available in all markets.
** BlackBerry Beta Zone is not available in all markets.
Kevin Michaluk Nov 14, 2012 at 12:03 am
First! AWESOME. I love BBM. BBM w/ Voice is greater.
Good to see love still coming to BB7 while we wait for BB10.
shabbs Nov 14, 2012 at 12:39 am
Could BBM video chat on BB10 be around the corner? I think so...
DuexNoir Nov 14, 2012 at 1:43 am
I thought BBM video chat on BB10 has already been confirmed?
~I am BlackBerry by choice~
MoolahMitch Nov 14, 2012 at 3:49 am
Yes it has
shabbs Nov 14, 2012 at 11:27 am
Has it actually been confirmed by RIM or simply suggested? We've seen suggestions in videos and talks of features, but I don't recall seeing RIM come out and say it 100% for sure.
All that said, I'm certain we will see it, with the front facing camera being used and all that.
Joe257 Nov 14, 2012 at 4:49 am
This is for the BB7 platform. BB10 already has voice & video.
diegonei Nov 14, 2012 at 9:05 am
It seems to me as a bridge to minimize the gap between the java platform and BB10. This way, OS5/6/7 devices can still call BBM contacts on BB10 (and vice versa), they just won't have access to video chat.
Very smart move by RIM. Very smart indeed.
sk8er_tor Nov 14, 2012 at 11:00 am
Exactly what I was thinking :)
The other big thing with BBM 7 is that it's now connected to your BlackBerry ID. I guess they've gotten over the hump of being connected to just your PIN. Great news all around.
belfastdispatcher Nov 14, 2012 at 11:52 am
Indeed, it's all clear now
itiswhatitisnt Nov 14, 2012 at 1:38 pm
Awesome feature but I have the torch 9850 ever since the 7.1 update my speaker phone dramatically lost volume in fact its useless. They are not working on an update as I have experienced this issue for 9months now. I hate that they did that to us customers. No fix and i keep blogging and calling them about it. smh
Rootbrian Nov 14, 2012 at 7:03 pm
I told you multiple times. SWITCH TO ANOTHER CARRIER!!! BBM voice is independent of the carrier and speakerphone WILL work.
Matr00 Nov 14, 2012 at 4:00 am
I would say, finally they opened the feature.
I don't know when BB phones got support for the UMA and MVS services, but the feature was available on the hardware though not accessible since many years.
They should have made it accessible many years ago, and maybe even should have added support for standard voip/sip calls, but they prefer to keep it bundled to the full BES and MVS and their costs.
I want to see this love coming also to BB OS5 and even older phones (weren't the first Pearls UMA capable?), to see the potential of the hardware we bought, even if years late. RIM indeed was stupidly managed.
The Nokie E series phones had a sip client available in the basic OS, that only few cared to understand what it was for and used it, BB phones had the opportunity to have voip calls since the Pearl (if I'm not mistaken) and just imagine how huge the BBM "social network" would be if it was _very easy_ to _talk_ internationally with it cost free since 2008 or so?!
diegonei Nov 14, 2012 at 9:10 am
As much as I agree with almost everything you said (bringing some BES into BIS specially), supporting pre-OS5 devices right now would not help RIM any. The OS and hardware is phased out and the experience would not be good by today's standards.
But yeah, MVS back in 2008 would probably have done wonders to RIM (provided it didn't possible carriers off).
ferre_kun Nov 14, 2012 at 1:00 pm
i agree. i too realize i need to upgrade my 9550 one way or the other next year XD
kthhrrsn Nov 14, 2012 at 10:52 am
I believe UMA support is carrier dependent. Several years ago, on T-Mobile in the US, I had a $10 plan that allowed unlimited UMA calling. It would switch to the GSM network automatically if I left my hotspot w/no additional charge when the call was initiated on UMA.
I've been on Verizon Wireless for the past 3 years, and they don't support UMA.
BUT...this enhancement is AWESOME!! I'm rebooting my Bold now!! :)
vgorous Nov 14, 2012 at 7:05 am
Downloading it right now. I hope BB10 BBM gets BBM Video.
Kevin. Please update the G+ page, we need some lovin' there!
kill_9 Nov 14, 2012 at 9:12 am
An interesting addition to BlackBerry Messenger although with the dwindling number of BBM contacts for a lot of BlackBerry smartphone users the relevance might be questioned.
bbontherise47 Nov 14, 2012 at 11:54 am
with this feature you will be able to voice chat not only BB7 friends but BB10(when released) friends as well. This is actually fantastic.
menaknow Nov 14, 2012 at 1:50 pm
I think the strategy is to get users back or keep them on BBM. This gives them a good reason to stay...
Thebouy Way Nov 14, 2012 at 9:42 am
Skype would be better, then you can voicecall ANYONE not just people with BBs!
phylez Nov 14, 2012 at 11:26 am
Agreed. I don't know anyone personally who still uses a BB for me to use this feature with. Everyone seems to have an iFone so they have facetime and Skype. Would have loved this feature a few years ago.
rherfurth Nov 14, 2012 at 12:41 pm
Agreed, however,
Skype = Microsoft, so the question becomes, how long if, does Skype stay cross platform? Was Skype merely an acquisition for an upgrade to the old 'MSN Messenger'?
ekafara Nov 14, 2012 at 10:19 am
I like that it goes all the way back to OS5. New features, old phones.
I was wondering... if Voice data is encrypted.
If it is encrypted calling... this would be another game changer :O!
yourask Dec 19, 2012 at 7:27 am
can you please tell me how can i Download BBM7 voice messenger in my Blackberry Bold 9700 ?
Devil Nov 14, 2012 at 12:03 am
I feel like this is an april fool's post. Too good to be true!! But goddamn!!
Bla1ze Nov 14, 2012 at 12:04 am
Awesome... now I can't wait for BB10's BBM video chat.
chesterhall Nov 14, 2012 at 12:05 am
Dnag! Was almost first! Was too busy thanking JCarty for the BB10 Timer and missed it! Oh well...2nd and YES! Now I need some more BBM friends back on board!
chesterhall Nov 14, 2012 at 12:06 am
And missed 3rd posting to this! Ugh!
psiclne Nov 14, 2012 at 12:06 am
Whats the catch for at&t users?
Probably have to be on one of those Share Your Wallet data plan LOL
togardergrosse Nov 14, 2012 at 5:22 am
Considering that this feature only available through WiFi, I don't think there is any limitation towards AT&T or other carrier.
Just like the FaceTime at the first time.
Perhaps, later, when they allow it on 3G/4G connection, we will see AT&T trying to 'save' the day.
neoberry99 Nov 14, 2012 at 10:43 am
Lmao!! Classic!
Awesome. Too bad am still on BB5.
I hope this does mean that Skype on BB10 in not that far away.
Rootbrian Nov 14, 2012 at 7:08 pm
Microsoft owns skype. It's up to them to release an application for BB10.
By the way, update to OS 6 or grab a BB7 blackberry, you're missing out.
ddlax22 Nov 14, 2012 at 12:08 am
So wait wifi only correct?
But this is awesome!!
Skeevecr Nov 14, 2012 at 2:54 am
Seems a sensible limitation to start with, they can always add over cellular in a new version later on, most of rim's developers are probably quite busy on certain other stuff right now after all.
kill_9 Nov 14, 2012 at 9:15 am
The development teams at Research In Motion are completely segregated and have nothing to do with each other's product development cycles. The Java programmers wouldn't know how to handle QNX and the QNX programmers wouldn't touch JavaME with a ten-foot pole.
Skeevecr Nov 14, 2012 at 1:20 pm
Err, you don't think it is just the original qnx people working on bb10 do you, the odds are that almost all their staff will have transitioned over by now.
Rootbrian Nov 14, 2012 at 7:09 pm
Dude, blackberry 6 and blackberry 7 isn't being abandoned. This post that crackberry made, via RIM, proves that. So your comment is null.
feldmen01 Nov 14, 2012 at 12:09 am
Good news
playbookster Nov 14, 2012 at 12:12 am
That's useful for me, I'm on work trips all the time. Now it will be free to call family :)
jasonvan9 Nov 14, 2012 at 7:23 am
jayemmbee Nov 14, 2012 at 12:17 am
how much you wanna bet one of those greedy networks like at&t will block this feature or updste until they figure out a way to monetize it or charge for it or bill it
Balti43 Nov 14, 2012 at 3:13 am
That's why I stick to T-mobile.
berrybait Nov 14, 2012 at 3:15 am
RIM already stated that carriers can't disable this feature.
thecsman Nov 14, 2012 at 7:21 pm
They wouldn't block a feature that works only on wi-fi.
Once it becomes available also over BIS, then expect a chain reaction from the operators.
MaxPayne79 Nov 14, 2012 at 12:23 am
i have to say that's pretty genius. finally i found a use for bbm lol.
Max741 Nov 14, 2012 at 12:26 am
I don't see this Program in BETA ZONE :"(
MaxPayne79 Nov 14, 2012 at 12:37 am
me either. :(
bertcella Nov 14, 2012 at 12:38 am
Same here
kraski Nov 14, 2012 at 2:16 am
I don't see it either, but I emailed them to see about getting in.
Jonathank Nov 14, 2012 at 12:30 am
stackberry369 Nov 14, 2012 at 12:30 am
I bet you are right!!!
DanielLui1 Nov 14, 2012 at 12:31 am
Sounds cool to me but what about BBM video chat? There were rumours about that as well but is there any confirmations or details about that?
00stryder Nov 14, 2012 at 12:34 am
Video chat was pertaining to BBM on BB10. There are currently no BlackBerry smartphones with a front-facing camera, and the PlayBook doesn't have a native BBM app.
eve6er69 Nov 14, 2012 at 12:44 am
but bridged it does........
jstarett Nov 14, 2012 at 6:03 am
nah...being bridged does not make it an actual native app.
00stryder Nov 14, 2012 at 12:32 am
Great feature to have and it only signals what we can expect out of BBM on BB10, though with the implications that it has for BlackBerry users, especially in emerging countries, I wish they had developed this sooner. It would have certainly quelled some of the rumble about Skype being absent on BlackBerry (and possibly helped retain a lot of former BB users).
Vector-SS Nov 14, 2012 at 12:36 am
Am I the only one who thinks this is freaking awesome? Or am I exaggerating?
LewLew23 Nov 14, 2012 at 12:43 am
Nope, this is freaking awesome! If only they had this when my ex was living overseas, would have made Skype completely obsolete since we never used video.
maxknux Nov 14, 2012 at 12:46 am
Yep, at first I thought this was cool but then it dawned on me that other Phones have video calls so I felt It lost the wow factor.
Plus T-Mobile UMA or wifi calling been using that since 2008 so no big deal. The only cool thing is you could use it as free calling to international users of BBM.
diegonei Nov 14, 2012 at 9:22 am
Max... Show me a single BlackBerry smartphone bing sold today that can actually make use of video chat apps.
This is great news and it is not the same a saber UMA calling. UMA just routes the call over WiFi when you have poor to none carrier coverage (I have no idea if it is free or billable though - no carrier around here bothered to deploy UMA - so feel free to tell me).
This is as close to true VoIP calls as the old java platform based ever been before. Now we have a in-house free app for free calling each other. If BB7 phones had front facing cameras, I am willing to bet we would have seen BBM Video as a feature of BBM7.
But heck, what do I know...
BBGrind Nov 14, 2012 at 12:46 am
TeaBoy Nov 14, 2012 at 12:47 am
Holy...Shii.... RIM...You guys are finally Researching in Motion...
gameson Nov 14, 2012 at 12:50 am
although this is clearly great for BBM, but this is not exactly groundbreaking technology.
Apple has it with its facetime
Android has it with Gtalk/G+
Cross platform Apple/Android has Skype
Of course, should BB support Skype app, we should not be left in the dark in this free VoIP.
I am excited about this as it supports OS6 (so my 9800 can use this feature), but not so much considring RIM is so far behind in innovation
stackberry369 Nov 14, 2012 at 12:53 am
Stop being a debbydowner.
sf49ers Nov 14, 2012 at 1:44 am
Apple has iMessage
Google has Gtalk, G+
Msft has Live Messenger
so what?? but they all suck...BBM hands down the best messenger ever known to the mankind..don't belive..use it and come back
SparkyBC Nov 14, 2012 at 2:00 am
Actually apple stole facetime as they call it and just settled a lawsuit with the iphone. Bring on round two. http://news.cnet.com/8301-13579_3-57547606-37/in-your-facetime-apple-get...
RIM is far from behind in innovation, the legacy os has been the downfall of Rim. Soon the turn around will begin.
ferre_kun Nov 14, 2012 at 1:04 pm
here you go buddy, just take off the http ^^
diegonei Nov 14, 2012 at 9:26 am
Excuse me? "should BB support Skype app"? Really?
So is it RIM's fault now that we have no Skype app? Do you have a copy of the letter where they tell Skype to can the beta app they never release?
Seriously, this was one weak argument.
You are right, other platforms have such features. Now BlackBerry does too. I fail to see fail on this.
blue_k Nov 14, 2012 at 12:56 am
It is pretty cool. I just wish it worked over cellular, then it would be awesome. That would be a great way to get people on BB again if it worked over cellular. They could advertise that you can now use your BB to talk without using any minutes at all to any other BB user in the world. I doubt any carriers would RIM do so though.
belleg Nov 14, 2012 at 9:25 am
It will work over cellular soon - I guess Feb... Wanna bet? ;)
blue_k Nov 14, 2012 at 10:30 am
I hope your right. That would be awesome. I bet you a virtual high five if your right :).
belleg Nov 14, 2012 at 1:23 pm
how about you shouting three times "RIM is great!" if I am right ;)
blue_k Nov 15, 2012 at 10:14 am
Haha, deal!
BB10BelieveIt Nov 14, 2012 at 1:13 am
If RIM does to VOIP what they did to messaging, than this will be a game changer. A green light indicating that the person is there and will likely answer you with either text or voice, holy smoke!
digtech Nov 14, 2012 at 1:18 am
Its so so awesome.... Kudos RIM. Can't wait to test it out!
You know, this may be an early hint that Skype may not support BB10 platform after all.
After all, we know that Skype is owned by Microsoft, and MS also makes that competitor smartphone platform Windows Mobile.
SparkyBC Nov 14, 2012 at 2:02 am
Skype will be there at launch, a little bird told me.
BBHermes Nov 14, 2012 at 3:20 pm
First QuickSilver gets our hopes up with skype teasers, now you... Lol.
But I hope you are right.
Skeevecr Nov 14, 2012 at 3:02 am
Or maybe it is simply a hint that rim wants to make the transition from bb7 to bb10 as easy as possible and improve the connectivity between bb10 bbm users and bb7 users that don't upgrade right away.
belleg Nov 14, 2012 at 9:24 am
Yep, looks like it
diegonei Nov 14, 2012 at 9:30 am
Using BBM to bridge the gap between the new and old platforms, yes, I believe in this too.
As for skype. It changes nothing. We're talking BBM, which is exclusive for BlackBerry devices. Skype is for cross-platform communication (IM/voice/video).
BBM Voice/Video does not prevent not denies the existence (and necessity) of a Skype app.
belleg Nov 14, 2012 at 10:16 am
but now Skype is owned by MSFT and I bet they are in no rush to release it for BB10... I actually expect them to drop support for Android/iOS soon too
Skeevecr Nov 14, 2012 at 1:23 pm
The most likely approach from MS would be to drop specific apps and introduce a web-based client that would work for bb10 and the other two while keeping a native app version as a perk of wp8 devices, that way they don't reduce the potential audience but do increase the benefits of wp8.
belleg Nov 14, 2012 at 1:27 pm
But consider this - Skype is not making them a lot of money. If they drop support of other OSes, they may (and most likely will) increase the number of WP8 users. I am just speculating here though
s5sahil Nov 14, 2012 at 1:21 am
Cant see it in the beta zone? Anyone else facing same problem?
rimlover Nov 14, 2012 at 3:58 am
same issue as you pal. cant see it anywhere
Kennedy.L Nov 14, 2012 at 1:21 am
I imagine I'll use this time to time.
However, on my Bold 9900 I use Dell Voice. It's a VOIP service that can be used off of wifi and has free calling to many cities. Worth checking out.
thecsman Nov 14, 2012 at 7:26 pm
Dell voice is ok. I had a couple of 9900 crashes with it and it sucks your battery life.
Now, BBM Voice means instant conversations with your BBM contacts.
pick1eberry Nov 15, 2012 at 8:26 am
Works great!
Kennedy.L Nov 14, 2012 at 1:27 am
One more comment...
I imagine some people may not see a real need for this but as BB10 comes out and allows video/voice calling through BBM it will become increasingly popular. At this time it will be more important for OS /6/7 to be able to voice chat over BBM.
digtech Nov 14, 2012 at 1:28 am
Quick question.. I believe RIM dictates service fees for BIS but wont the carriers want to increase the prices since they'll be loosing out on potential talk time from bb owners?
BB_Bmore Nov 14, 2012 at 1:35 am
Won't be available in beta zone until tomorrow guys. This IS cool but I wish it wasn't wifi only. Its my data and if I want to run it up I should be able too. :) whatever its unexpected and very cool. Nice to see RIM still working on BBOS even with 10 right around the corner.
Skeevecr Nov 14, 2012 at 3:05 am
The odds are that it is easy to minimise potential issues by limiting it to just wifi at this time and we will see cellular later, if we are seeing whole new features being added to bbos bbm while they are so busy with bb10 they are clearly not done yet.
belleg Nov 14, 2012 at 9:32 am
It will be over cellular soon - give them some time to do the beta and initial launch
petertinh Nov 14, 2012 at 1:41 am
Not support VN. Why?
yvpan1 Nov 14, 2012 at 1:50 am
This is FREAKING GREAT!!! let's talk TEAMBlackberry, let FaceTime buddies out there realize that 80 million BB users can also do what they can do. GO RIM!
I can't wait to test the BBM 7 beta, downloading now! can't wait for the official release to come so I can have BBM voice to all my BB friends wherever they are!
** dunno why but.. it doesn't appear on the Beta Zone yet, anyone knows why??
killzone22 Nov 14, 2012 at 1:51 am
Seems like an awesome addition to the bbm software.. i wish they made it run on normal data as i have 6 gb's of data and i never use passed 2 gb. i would really like them to allow us to use our carrier data. noww that would be freakin awesome buh either way i love the way RIM is going right now. lets rock and roll this!!!
janjan18_18 Nov 14, 2012 at 1:54 am
I Smell videochat availability on the BB10 TouchScreen.
Hopefully the keyboard version would have front camera already.
The Start of Something UNUSUAL BB10
diegonei Nov 14, 2012 at 9:57 am
Let me break the old news to you: the PlayBook does video/voice chat and that was incorporated into BBM for BB10.
You seem to have a good nose, though. :)
simonco Nov 14, 2012 at 1:59 am
"The BBM Voice feature requires a Wi-Fi connection with access to the Internet and may not be available in all markets.":
Why don't the screen shots show a wifi connection??
abramadhi Nov 14, 2012 at 2:00 am
I was excited when read this but have been tried refreshing the betazone page and still not there..hiks
axllebeer Nov 14, 2012 at 2:21 am
* BlackBerry by choice *
That's some goo chit!
Bold_until_Hybrid_Comes Nov 14, 2012 at 2:33 am
As long as the LTE bb10 can do this without wifi I am happy. And video chat
JIVE8900 Nov 14, 2012 at 2:36 am
Guys look, this is a way to keep the people on bbos happy when bb10 gets here. Imagine this, people on bbos will only be available for voice chats while people on bb10 can do video chat.
itsyaboy Nov 14, 2012 at 2:39 am
Beta isn't yet available for my country.. (Netherlands). So I am hoping this sees an official release quite soon! :D
Hey download Tor project, zorg dat je via een amerikaans ip-adres een account kan aanmaken op blackberry beta, ff een postcode uit amerika opzoeken en dan op google maps kijken waar de postcode bij hoort. Zo heb ik ook een beta account aangemaakt.
Shizzel026 Nov 14, 2012 at 12:56 pm
Top dank voor deze tip, ik heb hem draaien!
NaijaBerry Nov 14, 2012 at 2:54 am
Now this is good news! I've got people all over the word I need to chat with, most definitely will have people in that category jumping unto the platform
lalozie Nov 14, 2012 at 2:55 am
"The BBM Voice feature requires a Wi-Fi connection with access to the Internet and may not be available in all markets. "
I'm afraid I may be part of the underprivileddged markets.
Vector-SS Nov 14, 2012 at 3:53 am
I believe I'm going to be shafted as well!
Henry520 Nov 14, 2012 at 3:14 am
Can any one send me the link to download this bbm voice ?? Because when i login my blackberry beta zon i cant find this program ......
my email is firstname.lastname@example.com
Heavens1 Nov 14, 2012 at 3:41 am
Woweeeeeeee ......!!!!
dave114 Nov 14, 2012 at 4:07 am
I don't see the BBM in the Betazone :(
BoldWorld Nov 14, 2012 at 4:09 am
Does both parties on the bbm voice chat have to be on wifi to complete the call
BoldWorld Nov 14, 2012 at 4:09 am
Does both parties on the bbm voice chat have to be on wifi to complete the call
craighew Nov 14, 2012 at 4:19 am
before you all start wetting your pants, it's not in Beta Zone anywhere.....
dave114 Nov 14, 2012 at 4:57 am
have you futher infomation craighew?
badboysidh Nov 14, 2012 at 4:37 am
brilliant.. nice thing to have in BBM. But i feel carriers will play spoil sports in this. Imagine wat loss of revenue it will be for them if such a feature is available in ur BBM. they will somehow charge u for it.. lets hope n cross the finger carriers dont interfere in it.
coaltowking Nov 14, 2012 at 4:47 am
Don't mis interpret this post. I'm a big blackberry fan. I always buy the newest phone the day it comes out... However, I have never used BBM and I don't see a point in it. I never use all of my minutes, and I don't make international calls. This is true of most smartphone owners. What does BBM do that I can't do without it?
owadkelly Nov 14, 2012 at 7:39 am
That's for your use case, millions out there use bbm daily and this will definitely enhance bbm chats.
jasonvan9 Nov 14, 2012 at 8:36 am
now ill be able to call home to my wife for free, rather than rack up lots of $$ in long distance charges... RIM is literally saving me money to help my family directly, and the best part, theyre doing it for FREE!
Skeevecr Nov 14, 2012 at 1:25 pm
Anyone who is working or studying abroad and tends to keep in contact with relatives via bbm are going to love this feature for sure.
Joe257 Nov 14, 2012 at 5:19 am
Great move by the NEW RIM to add to the BBM community with this voice feature. Too bad the OLD RIM did not see the need to add front facing cams to the BB7 hardware. I believe this oversight lead to the loss of many more BlackBerry users in North America. BBM Voice will help get some back.
anon4276835 Nov 14, 2012 at 6:13 am
This is good news.
There are still parts in the UK where using a mobile is still not good.
I have been using Viber on an old "android" and will be really pleased if I am able to use my Blackberry instead to keep in-touch with some of my friends. I hope this will be as good as Viber is.
Just, hope they release this "upgrade" in the UK.
RECOOL Nov 14, 2012 at 7:18 am
This is cool but reminds me of voice notes but free calls for the win.I said it in the forum thread can we get BBM chat rooms?? We got 80 million users worldwide why are we talking to a select few?? When we can go into chat rooms talk to people worldwide about any social topic.
raxamillion Nov 14, 2012 at 7:28 am
Because 1. It won't let me log in saying it's a bad request. 2. From what I'm reading it's no even in there. (In the UK at least.).
Bigpoint Nov 14, 2012 at 7:43 am
Another feature I can't add to my trusty 8530 BUT come Q1 2013 I'm on that BB10 like a raven on a roadkill. I hope this doesn't mean that Skype will be MIA on new devices. I have more friends family without BB than with.
belleg Nov 14, 2012 at 9:49 am
Hey, this is still limited beta - they might release it for OS5 devices soon
59Martins59 Nov 14, 2012 at 8:07 am
Excellent! RIM back in business! :P
Do we need Wi-Fi?
Would it run just over data network?
jasonvan9 Nov 14, 2012 at 8:33 am
at that point it would be cheaper just to call i think, the point is to make phone calls for free across the world if you're in different countries. if you use it to call your friend down the street i think you kind of missed the point...
djfawbz Nov 14, 2012 at 9:00 am
Yup!! Great news!!! Definitely not switching from bb anytime soon. Good job!
mcmolineux Nov 14, 2012 at 9:06 am
So I get that the chat will take place over Wifi, but will you need a BIS cellular connection present to be on BBM in the first place?
Will this work at a motel up north that has Wifi but no cell service?
Will it work in a foreign country where I have Wifi but no data roaming?
If the answer is no, I would rather have something that is independent of BIS.
belleg Nov 14, 2012 at 9:59 am
It works without cell service.
mcmolineux Nov 14, 2012 at 2:04 pm
Fantastic news! So you have tried it and can confirm it on that basis?
belleg Nov 14, 2012 at 4:56 pm
I have - I disabled the cellular connection and was able to make a BBMVoice call on WiFi only. But I guess you still need to have a BBM/BB plan on that sim - you won't be able to just get a new SIM and start using BBM Voice i assume
mcmolineux Nov 14, 2012 at 6:15 pm
Makes sense. Thanks for confirming.
swishhh Nov 14, 2012 at 9:07 am
softcactus Nov 14, 2012 at 9:34 am
BBM Version 7 is live on BlackBery Beta Zone.
Not to sound like a downer, but can someone genuinely tell me how this is a big deal if we've already had UMA / wi-fi calling on our devices for 5+ years? What's the difference between this and wifi calling / uma?
The only difference I see here is that its integrated within the app itself rather than the user needing to exit out and dial the number (when on UMA) which while nice, is hardly the earth shattering moment some are making it out to be...
renzokuken.tan Nov 14, 2012 at 10:00 am
I think it is because not all country have UMA feature, like here in Jakarta Indonesia. This BBM Voice would be very welcome here.
shupor Nov 14, 2012 at 10:20 am
Kinda like comparing skype voice to UMA calling.
UMA calling is not available on all carriers and even on carriers it's available on, it may still cost you if it's not factored into your monthly plan (try making an international UMA call and see if you don't get a separate bill for it). UMA still basically still makes use of the carriers infrastructure
BBM voice on the other hand is VOIP which is not carrier specific and if RIM chooses to do so can make use of the already existing data plan on the device.
Only real similarity right now is wifi because really, they are 2 separate concepts
axe50 Nov 14, 2012 at 12:32 pm
Thanks for the answer.
BTW - I've used UMA when traveling internationally for over 5 years now in some 15+ countries and have never been billed (meaning roaming and long distance) for any of those calls.
Obviously the minutes come out of your monthly bucket, but other than that, no charge.
Either way, interesting feature that I look forward to using.
shupor Nov 21, 2012 at 1:12 pm
You are welcome. :)
You are right with that aspect of the UMA billing however, if your home network was say USA and you called UK via UMA, (unless free international calling was included in your plan) you could see a separate bill for it like i did.
I got a rude awakening when i saw my bill after placing quite a few phone calls to the UK via UMA on the Tmobile USA network.
Now when i was placing calls to my home network (USA) via UMA, i got no separate charges regardless of what country i was located in.
kthhrrsn Nov 14, 2012 at 10:57 am
Verizon Wireless doesn't offer UMA calling.
koool1 Nov 14, 2012 at 9:40 am
I BBM out of the country on wifi all the time. This will be amazing to be able to call my mom and sister free also.
Stayce6 Nov 14, 2012 at 9:41 am
yeaaaa!!!!!! cool
shupor Nov 14, 2012 at 10:04 am
Awesome!!!!! Now if they can just add this functionality over data and not limit it to just wifi then it would be even more awesome.
rickster21 Nov 14, 2012 at 10:09 am
UMA is the reason I have stuck with TMO and BB for so long. It really is the best thing ever and everyone is so jealous of this feature that no one really knows about.
It will break my heart if BB10 doesn't have UMA or WiFi calling.
cyberjunkie1 Nov 14, 2012 at 10:10 am
This is awesome, hopefully it'll keep existing bb users on board and bring back old users as well. I think it's a great plan, it'll soften up the blow for the existing users who are locked in their existing plans but on older bb phones but at the same time keep the communication lines open for those who will be buying the new BBX. I just have one question, because the update now will tie into your bbid, does that mean that PB users will eventually get it as well? I am not a bb user, but am a pb user. I never grew to support the older bb phones hence why I use another phone. But with the introduction of QNX, I really look forward to BBX since my contract is expiring early 2013. I just hope they put alot of effort into the aesthetics of the phone as much as they have worked hard with the OS. The image of the BBX next to the iphone 5 comparison makes the phone a bit bland. I'm sure with the OS on, it'll rock for sure. But I guess I was hoping that it will stand out of the crowd a little more. Maybe like the Bold that has the aluminum strip wrapped around it or something that will catch people's eye. Remember, it's one thing to have a great OS, but there's a lot of people who buy simply by aesthetics as well. So having both will ensure a great outcome for BBX. I prefer to have both if possible.
LiLAzNNewB Nov 14, 2012 at 10:11 am
Finally got the invitation :) Horray. You guys should be receiving one anytime soon now too..! (If not already..)
satchit Nov 14, 2012 at 10:11 am
still not available for INDIA :(
marko868 Nov 14, 2012 at 10:13 am
License and make a fortune!
neoberry99 Nov 14, 2012 at 11:01 am
My thoughts exactly!
BryantCarpio Nov 14, 2012 at 10:18 am
Awesome!... now i just need some bbm contacts.
tonyron227 Nov 14, 2012 at 10:27 am
Will the person I am chatting with be able to talk if they have not downloaded this beta version? My friends shy away from beta versions until the real thing comes out...
Tonyrón - One Day at a Time
Same issue here!
None of my friends have it so it wont work!
mikepraba Nov 14, 2012 at 10:33 am
Same issue here. When I tried to call my wife from BBM, its dialing her phone number (She doesn't have the Beta version)
BBrelax Nov 14, 2012 at 10:35 am
and there was a time when i thought it couldnt get any better ! THANKS for proving me wrong!
jjperezc Nov 14, 2012 at 10:37 am
Wow, thats a good surprise from RIM, a very good move to maintain it's current user base, specially the enterprise who really can lower it's cost on calls.
BBM is not Skype, but would be a greate addition for those BBM fans, and also a good way to unite BB10 users with lower versions.
jinxednuance Nov 14, 2012 at 10:39 am
I am not sure how to express or quantify the level of excitement to try this at this point.
sk8er_tor Nov 14, 2012 at 10:39 am
Wow, 6 MB... this should be good! Downloading!!!
BLACKJEDI23 Nov 14, 2012 at 10:40 am
BB 9900. / 7.1 bundle 2107 (v184.108.40.2066 platform 188.8.131.526)
Montreal Canada
Bell Mobility
Available right now
up & running on my phone
had to update my BBID also
cannot find the new emoticons though??
Is BBM going to start dipping in the SKYPE business??
pick1eberry Nov 14, 2012 at 10:50 am
having problems entering keycode. Any tips?
softcactus Nov 14, 2012 at 11:14 am
I had to try three times until it finally accepted my keycode.
wolfpack0008 Nov 14, 2012 at 11:58 am
Watch for spaces at the beginning and end of the keycode
pick1eberry Nov 14, 2012 at 12:16 pm
Geez thanks for the tip!
rkopsie Nov 14, 2012 at 10:53 am
I also can NOT find the new emoticons.. & my friend has BBM 7 as well and we can't find the icon to make phone calls either (yes, we are on wifi)
GRRR this is annoying, but a good one ;)
Social Sentry Nov 14, 2012 at 10:55 am
At first I wondered if the WIFI limitation is a technical thing or a "let's not piss off the carriers right before we launch our new platform when we'll need their support in promoting us" thing.... My thoughts being that VoIP eats at the carriers' minute plan sales.... but then they still sell data plans so the carriers still get sales, but I think they make more by selling you 2 items over 1 (minutes and data vs just data).... Eventually I wish they could do away with this minutes and data combo and just sell data, with everything being data. (not sure on the technical hurdles for full VoIP wireless service, but the idea buying a chunk of data and using it as you wish seems nice) In that case you'd buy x amount of data, with an equivalency of how many minutes that data allows you, based on the sound quality you choose. Just my take.
Skeevecr Nov 14, 2012 at 1:30 pm
Eventually that is what will happen with carriers, voice calls will be done as voip over lte.
xposeurphoto Nov 14, 2012 at 10:58 am
Absolutely downloading right now. Excellent move RIM!!! Keep the hits coming. Please and THANKS!
Proud owner of a BlackBerry Playbook & Torch
North-Face Nov 14, 2012 at 10:58 am
I tried to create a beta zone account but was given "application form for your country is not yet available" message, and I'm in Canada. Any ideas fellow CB fans?..
Shit happens! Try again! :P
It works in Canada!
North-Face Nov 14, 2012 at 11:32 am
Tried a few more times and keep getting:
"We're sorry, the application form is not yet available for your country. We are adding new country locations over time. Please be patient as we continue to expand across the globe."
So I guess they've changed it up a bit or something.. :(
Where in Canada are you?
I'm in Montreal and it works fine!
MAaybe they are having some technical issues, so you have no choice but wait!
Anyways, it doesnt seem to work as I can't find the options to make a call and I can't find the new emoticons either, so you're not missing on much!
North-Face Nov 14, 2012 at 11:48 am
I'm 30 mins away from RIM dammit lol. Ok thx for the heads-up, I will keep trying!
pick1eberry Nov 14, 2012 at 12:21 pm
Your IP is coming from Canada?. Your not using something like Hotspot Shield etc?. I'm 30 minutes from RIM to and everythings tickety boo!! :-)
North-Face Nov 14, 2012 at 12:44 pm
Nope, trying right from my 9900. Maybe I need to try from a PC...
North-Face Nov 18, 2012 at 10:56 pm
All good now, registered and downloaded...now I guess I need contacts with the same version so I can actually try it out! 2908CA52
Spawn12 Nov 14, 2012 at 11:12 am
Just downloaded from blackberry beta website in the UK here but cant see any new emoticons yet.
uzairtareen Nov 14, 2012 at 11:13 am
love it...
protomaxxx Nov 14, 2012 at 11:24 am
Great new feature for emerging markets
HardpackBerry Nov 14, 2012 at 11:26 am
It has frozen my 9800 torch on OS v6...trying to recover now!
HardpackBerry Nov 14, 2012 at 11:46 am
Backed up on the desktop. Deleted app world, and have now got BBM voice registered but there are no new icons...maybe the other person has to have it loaded as well?
Still got not app world running though due to this new version not displaying on hardware running OS6....
mckillio Nov 14, 2012 at 11:29 am
This would be a great feature if A. I had any BBM friends left and B. If it worked, at all. I can't even open BBM anymore. Nice job...
chiiikee Nov 14, 2012 at 11:29 am
With a Front facing Camera, it's safe to say BBM7 on BB10 devices will have a 'Video call' option......Hope I'm right
Plazmic Flame Nov 14, 2012 at 11:38 am
I think BBM on BB10 will be BBM10
coolcut Nov 14, 2012 at 11:45 am
Just tried it with a friend (both of us are in Toronto) and it works wonderfully.
Can't call if not on WIFI (as it says). Just says to turn on wifi. Also can't call if you or the person you are calling status is set to Busy (even personal statuses with Busy selected)
But if both parties are available and both have wifi on, the Call icon on the top right of the chat window turns green. Click it and away you go!
Audio is a bit delayed (i'd say 3-5 seconds) but that could just be due to our wifi connection speeds.
In the pic no Wi-Fi icon ... hmmmm
pepe241185 Nov 14, 2012 at 12:06 pm
now downloading to try it out!!
cool_beans Nov 14, 2012 at 12:29 pm
This makes me wish i had contacts in BBM
P-TRB Nov 14, 2012 at 12:29 pm
Tried it a couple of times now with a couple of different people running different OS and it works flawlessly!
416to604 Nov 14, 2012 at 12:34 pm
wooohooo now i can call all my bbm friends in the 416 and my family in the caribbean. goodbye rogers long distance plan!!
Bold 9900 - Playbook 32GB - Lumia 800
onvisa Nov 14, 2012 at 12:48 pm
Its exciting ,Hope BB10 has it , but we can use our Data plan to make face to face calls.
PatrickMJS Nov 14, 2012 at 12:54 pm
For all those wondering what new countries have been added to the BlackBerry Beta Zone, here is a list of the new country additions for November:
BlackBerry Beta Zone Expands!
We are pleased to announce that BlackBerry Beta Zone is now available in the following regions:
American Samoa
British Virgin Islands
Isle of Man
New Zealand
Northern Ireland
Papua New Guinea
Saint Martin
Sierra Leone
United States Virgin Islands
Not sure which ones were already included but I would assume all North American countries and most if not all EU countries are.
alpinechem Nov 14, 2012 at 12:54 pm
I need a beta tester.....let test BBM Voice
Fucking Asshole Nov 14, 2012 at 12:58 pm
I uninstalled BBM 2 years ago. No one I know has a BB. They've moved on.
Puz_zled Nov 14, 2012 at 9:21 pm
Try Gettin B Sober and maybe you'll get some friends back. Best of luck!
janjan18_18 Nov 14, 2012 at 1:19 pm
*ACTION starts here.
more to come RIM.
Something UNUSUAL BB10
jgrzadka Nov 14, 2012 at 1:21 pm
Wifi only huh? This means that when I travel I can buy a local data plan and create a hotspot with a second phone in order to use bbm voice on my bb without roaming charges.
mawil1013 Nov 14, 2012 at 1:38 pm
This is a good thing but it won't do me any good. I have no known associates with a BB. Hence, I've never used BBM.
adamschuetze Nov 14, 2012 at 1:49 pm
OH come on RIM, you tease. WIFI only?
smoothrunnings Nov 14, 2012 at 2:18 pm
Because the carriers would have a fit if RIM made it work on the data stream. In fact the carriers would demand RIM to build in features that would allow them to block the voice call feature forcing you to pay them an extra fee to have that service enabled.
buzzon Nov 14, 2012 at 2:02 pm
The only difference I have noticed is you can NOT use mega emoji or Jingu characters. I liked using those.... I'd wait to upgrade
smoothrunnings Nov 14, 2012 at 2:16 pm
It would be nice to see BBM 7 for the playbook as well. :o)
DGloudemans Nov 14, 2012 at 2:18 pm
When in log in om my bèta account in fontein see any download url forum bbm7 RIM says in acht email that it van taken up 24hours.....
Any other users in Netherlands that have this issue???
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Geen last van
robertdusa Nov 14, 2012 at 2:35 pm
Broke my text messaging contacts! Won't open them (only opens bbm contacts), even after deleting and re-adding them, and rebooting the phone (9810 w/126.96.36.1996). I had to roll back to 22.214.171.124 because I use BBM for my frequent SMS contacts as well.
jinxednuance Nov 14, 2012 at 2:48 pm
When can we expect a version over data and not wifi?
smoothrunnings Nov 15, 2012 at 10:39 am
Never unless you want your carrier to start charging you more for your services. :o)
phatmaan Nov 14, 2012 at 3:18 pm
fantastic !
very good idea, this is a forward thinking idea
lev874 Nov 14, 2012 at 4:05 pm
Wish I had some friends with BB devices. Sounds very cool.
step07 Nov 14, 2012 at 4:16 pm
This is brilliant
makmuke Nov 14, 2012 at 4:32 pm
Stychill Nov 14, 2012 at 5:22 pm
any idea on when that support eta for os 5 devices will be?
felberry83 Nov 14, 2012 at 5:43 pm
Just a question: does both parties have to be on wifi or just the caller???
Rootbrian Nov 14, 2012 at 7:27 pm
I'll wait for the official release. :D
snihed Nov 15, 2012 at 6:24 am
For you guys who still don't have bbm 7 available in beta, edit your profile and temporarily change you country to 'United States', save, logout, then relogin. I'm from the Philippines and it worked for me.
fathomberry Nov 15, 2012 at 4:50 pm
Its working perfectly well in Nigeria. Called Canada and the UK and there were no problems. But i just wonna ask can this in any way be used to connect to the playbook. Just asking. Okbye
otacon Nov 16, 2012 at 5:13 am
Downloaded the beta, but none of my BBM friends are beta testers... so can't test it out... anyone from here wanna try?
North-Face Nov 18, 2012 at 10:54 pm
Hey, yep I can relate. Shoot me a PM and we'll give it a try! 2908CA52 for anyone else wanting to try some beta trials.
drkknyt98 Nov 19, 2012 at 1:10 pm
I need someone using BBM and that is a beta tester of the BBM 7 with voice. I saw the video, but would like to try it out for myself to complete the follow-up survey. None of my friends have their BB anymore so if anyone is available for testing please PM your PIN. About to complete the survey soon on this beta.
dogth99 Nov 19, 2012 at 9:46 pm
I am use BBM7 voice several days ago. But it have a problem about wifi. Wifi on BB is issue from I setup BBM7 voice. I have always to restart wifi.
Roberto Felesie Nov 19, 2012 at 10:57 pm
rhemfur Dec 12, 2012 at 8:47 am
This come too late, for me to blackberry already lost credibility. I spent years waiting for Skype, Viber or gender thing, today I am extremely happy with my Android!


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We had just caught and released a white marlin, a sailfish and a blue marlin in a mere three-and-a-half hours of fishing time aboard Holden's 52-foot Viking express, Booby Trap. But our mission wasn't yet complete.
|The Booby Trap crew has dropped plenty of rigged squid baits for swordfish over the past few years. (Courtesy boobytrapfishingteam.com)
The bait finally reached bottom, at 1,700 feet, and Texan angler Travis Joyce cranked in the slack. Not even 30 seconds later, the 80-pound outfit bumped violently. Joyce waited like a cat and then pounced, cranking violently as the rod doubled over.
"Now!" Holden yelled to Capt. Jeff Wilson, who throttled Booby Trap forward against a solid resistance. "Tight, sucka!" screamed Holden, his trademark line, wheeling around and high-fiving it with swordfishing friend "Disco" Luis Herrera of Miami.
A half-hour later, the 125-pound swordie was leadered and carefully released, securing a coveted IGFA Super Slam for Joyce — his second while fishing with Holden and just the 21st ever registered in the IGFA record books.
That night, as you might imagine, the celebrating got a little rambunctious.
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In the world of billfishing, there are accomplishments, and then there are accomplishments. This ranks pretty high. After all, we'd set out with the express purpose of catching a Super Slam (four species of billfish caught by a single angler in a 24-hour period), but really, who plans to do that and actually succeeds? And in just four hours of fishing time?
We accomplished the feat as the result of several factors: an experienced crew, a healthy dose of luck and, perhaps most important, a damn good fishery. Welcome to east Texas and the offshore pelagic grounds generally referred to as the Hilltops.
Our July trip out of Surfside Marina in Freeport, Texas, spanned three days in the Gulf, where we overnighted under starlit skies and fished from 70 to 110 miles off the coast.
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|Last year the Booby Trap caught 172 swordies in just 15 trips off Texas. (Mike Mazur)
To say the fishing was stellar would be an understatement. But then again, this is not so unusual 'round these parts of Texas.
"The Gulf in this region has the continental shelf, several oil rigs and deepwater mountain ranges," says Holden, owner of a successful roofing business who has annually run 15 to 30 overnighters off the Texas coast during the past 25 years. "These areas all hold large numbers of blue marlin, white marlin, sailfish and swords. Wahoo, dorado, blackfin and yellowfin tuna also are abundant."
Because the grounds lie far offshore, pressure isn't excessive. In fact, we saw only one other boat during our trip. The dolphin and wahoo were an added bonus. We simply stumbled upon them on the troll along rips, and they provided great fun between our primary objective — cashing in on the area's rich billfish bounty.
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|Forty-five- to 50-pound bull dolphin are not unusual off the Texas coast, as "Disco" Luis Herrera attests.
Texas is a huge state sporting a lengthy coastline and, as you might expect, the offshore fisheries vary greatly from one end to the other.
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No question, this area is extremely diverse, both in terms of fish-holding structure and the species it attracts. In fact, our slam occurred within a mere 10-mile radius. We nabbed the white first at 11 a.m. on June 23 in a deep trench known as the East Pocket, and then moved northeast to an oil platform called Little Sister, which produced the sail at 11:35 a.m. We then ran due west to another platform called West Cerveza, where we caught a 125-pound blue marlin at 2 p.m. From there, it was a direct shot southeast to a productive swordfish zone dubbed by locals as the Booby Trap Dome (yes, it's named after these guys). The super-slam record-setting swordie was released at 3 p.m.
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She was preceded in death by her spouse, Truman C. Herren Sr.; parents, Ira E. and Lilly Sherer; sisters, Alma S. Cannon (Terrell) and Lucille S. Campbell (Claude); and brother, Harrison Sherer (Jeanette).
She is survived by her sons, William E. Herren (Patricia) and T.C. Herren (Frances); daughter, Joan Herren Armstrong (Joe); sister, Edith S. White; grandchildren, William I. Herren, Michael Herren (Carol), Jason Herren (Lisa), Mary Beth Hinson (Brantley), Lee Ann Wyatt (Ricky), Alison Townsend (Heath) and Stefan Graeber (Christa); 12 great-grandchildren; and a host of nieces and nephews.
The family would like to express special appreciation for all the quilting groups and other ministry opportunities that she has so enjoyed working with through the years.
They would also ask that donations be made to Hospice of West Alabama or Mount Vernon Baptist Church.
You may register online condolences to the family at www.kilgoregreenfuneralhome.com.


text: When Barney is forced to pick sides in a fight between Robin and his mother, Lily coaches him on how not to ruin his relationship. Meanwhile, Ted and Marshall get into a dispute over wedding gifts and thank-you notes, on the final season of HOW I MET YOUR MOTHER, Monday, Oct. 14 (8:00-8:30 PM, ET/PT) on the CBS Television Network. Pictured: William Zabka Photo: Richard Cartwright/CBS ©2013 CBS Broadcasting, Inc. All Rights Reserved.


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The NFL's new Collective Bargaining Agreement may finally be complete. Really. Honestly. I mean it this time.
It doesn't appear that we can expect too much movement on the NFL labor front over the weekend.
One football expert says one thing. . .another says the complete opposite. Nobody knows what the heck is going on.
There is no labor settlement in the NFL yet, and we have no idea when one will actually occur.
The Vikings' punter called some people out the other day. . .and it looks as though he might be right.
There are rumors floating around that there might not be a hard salary cap in the first year of the new CBA.
The NFL Lockout is just about at the end.
Just when you thought it was safe to go back to dreaming about football. . .
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I have an application with following elements/ownership:
QApplication->QMainWindow->QGraphicsView->QGraphicsScene->multiple QGraphicsItems
The scene is bigger than the screen in N900, so I would like to enable FingerScrollable, but I don't seem to find the right place/way. I'm compiling in scratchbox with 4.6.0 18122009 version and have the same version on N900 as well. Hence there are no usable scrollbars (only the notification tiny ones) and scrolling with arrow keys work but fingerscrolling not. I have tried to put 'setProperty("FingerScrollable", true)' to QMainWindow class as well as to view and scene but with no luck.
I know it works on certain other widgets, but how to enable it in QGraphicsView framework?
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When I was a kid, hunting with my dad was something I couldn't get enough of. And up to the age of 15, it was strictly small game and rabbits were the game of choice. Rabbits were challenging, fast and ultra fun. What more can a kid ask for?
For years, rabbits were my quarry of choice. Rabbits, along with pheasants and squirrels, took up much of my time in the fall. In fact, until I reached the age of 21 and bowhunting became a priority, my buddies and I were constantly after those particular small game critters.
These days, with most of my hunting time spent perched in a treestand, small game isn't on my radar like it used to be. But it's still there in the back of my mind. Each fall, I will take a few mornings and try to knock off a few squirrels and pheasants. As for rabbits, I usually wait for the snow to fly before I try hunting them.
I'm not an ice fisherman, so rabbits are an easy choice in the winter for me. There really aren't many hunting opportunities, other than coyotes, squirrels and grouse until the end of January. In the last few weeks, I've been making the most of my chances.
I'm a big beleiver in getting kids into the woods. And since October, I've been taking a kid by the name of Montana Mattie with me whenever I get a chance. He did some pheasant hunting with me and spent the gun deer season with me. But, sadly, niether one of those ventures produced any game for him.
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Undeterred, Montana Mattie has a love for the outdoors reminescent of myself in my younger days. It took me a few years before I scored. And last weekend, he shot his first rabbit. How cool is that? This kid was seriously proud of his accomplishment and he should be.
While neither he nor I scored last weekend, the two guys that went with us each got a rabbit. Two of the three rabbits we jumped were taken, and the last few weekends were the same thing, yielding a few bunnies each time. The first time we went, it seemed that rabbits were everywhere. The last few outtings we had to work harder at it. We don't use beagles like many guys do and do all the grunt work is done by ourselves.
It's always fun to go hunting. It's even better when a kid scores. Rabbits always provide some fun shot opportunities, have a long season (to the end of February) and is a great way to cure some cabin fever. Other than spring turkeys, there really aren't any hunting chances until September when the dove and bear seasons open. Unless you want to hunt coyotes, rabbits are it this time of year. Why not hunt as much as you can? Winter rabbits, one of the best winter sports around!


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|Cross country results
|Wednesday, September 18, 2013 2:23 PM
O-G Blue/Gold Inv.
Wayne Trace and Paulding's boys and girls cross country teams traveled to Ottawa Glandorf on Saturday to compete in the Blue & Gold Invitational.
On the boys side, Wayne Trace finished in 11th place while Paulding ended up in 14th place.
Arlen Stoller led the way by taking 16th in 17:17 while Travis Jones paced the maroon and with, finishing 24th in 17:34.