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Greenbrier Classic: Old White has a deep, rich history
When the largest and best collection of the world's best golfers to play in West Virginia take to the Old White course next week, it will mark the first PGA Tour stop at The Greenbrier, and in the Mountain State, in 72 years.
Oh, there have been major golf attractions in the state and in particular at The Greenbrier since a budding tour's White Sulphur Springs Open was last played in 1938. For instance, the LPGA stopped at Wheeling's Oglebay Park for 11 years.
The past six summers brought the PGA's Nationwide Tour to the Pete Dye Golf Club in Bridgeport, a run that ended with the $1 million Players Cup falling victim to the $6 million Greenbrier Classic's six-year contract.
The Greenbrier hosted the Ryder Cup in 1979 on the Jack Nicklaus-redesigned Greenbrier course. Nick Faldo's return to the resort as a CBS analyst next week might remind him of his 3-1 record in a 17-11 loss for the first European Ryder team (not exclusively from Great Britain) to Lee Trevino, Hale Irwin, Lanny Wadkins, Tom Kite and Co.
The U.S. women gained a Solheim Cup win on The Greenbrier Course in 1994. The Greenbrier had the prestige of being the first course to play host to both Ryder and Solheim cups.
There were three PGA Senior Tour events at the Greenbrier in the mid-80s, all on the Greenbrier Course. It's now known as the Champions tour.
And back when the Greenbrier reopened in 1948 after being used as a military rehabilitation hospital during and after World War II, Sam Snead returned as pro.
He hosted what morphed from the Greenbrier Open, a pro-am, into the Sam Snead Festival, an event that attracted major Tour names from 1948 through 1961, when it became strictly an amateur tournament. Snead, Ben Hogan and George Fazio were in the inaugural field.
The Greenbrier Open was part of the Spring Festival, a major social event that for its debut in 1948 attracted the duke and duchess of Windsor, John Jacob Astor, William Randolph Hearst Jr., Oleg Cassini and Rose Kennedy and four of her children, Patricia, Kathleen, Eunice and 30-year-old John, a former PT boat commander and future president.
If you want to go further back than a Bubba Watson tee shot way back in 1918, Bobby Jones and Chick Evans squared off in a Red Cross fundraising match on Old White, which saw its first round played about 95 years ago.
In 1927, Gene Sarazen defeated Walter Hagen in a 36-hole exhibition match over those two Greenbrier layouts. Flash forward eight decades, and five-time British Open champ Tom Watson is the Greenbrier pro emeritus.
There are so many reasons to consider why it's right that The Greenbrier is finally on the PGA Tour. For example, Arnold Palmer won his first professional check at the Snead Festival in 1955.
More on some of that later, but if you're talking strictly PGA Tour events - those recognized by the Tour as "official" events or those later given the stamp of approval by the PGA of America - the 2010 Greenbrier Classic is only the sixth major men's Tour stop in the Mountain State.
All have been at The Greenbrier, and five of the six were, or will be, Old White events.
Dr. Bob Conte, the longtime Greenbrier historian and archivist, and Bob Denney, senior writer at the PGA of America, helped unearth some of what follows. While all of it is in black and white, some of it, understandably, is fuzzy.
Some background:
The PGA of America dates to 1916. The PGA, while not having a formal schedule dating back that far, did recognize and sanction tournaments in those days.
In the mid-'20s, a loosely organized "tour" boasted $77,000 in annual prize money. The first playing professionals organization didn't take root until 1932, Denney said.
PGA Tour and PGA of America records, while incomplete, show that five tournaments were played in West Virginia from 1921 through 1938. The late Snead won two of the five.
In 1921 and 1922, the White Sulphur Springs Open made its debut.
Jock Hutchison, born near the famed Old Course at St. Andrews on which the British Open ended Sunday, took the 1921 White Sulphur title.
The native Scot had won the 1920 PGA Championship and the 1921 British Open in his hometown. It was the first victory by a U.S. citizen since he was naturalized in 1920. He also had two seconds in the U.S. Open. Hutchison later won the inaugural PGA Seniors Championship at Augusta National in 1937.
It seemed Old White brought out the best in the very best back then.
The 1922 White Sulphur Springs Open, held April 6-8, was won by the great Hagen. By then, Hagen already owned two U.S. Open titles and a PGA Championship.
That same summer, he became the first American-born golfer to win the British Open. His Old White rounds were 72-70-70-72-284, and he won by six shots over Johnny Farrell. Joe Kirkland was another shot back at 291. Sarazen and Hutchison were in the 22-player field, too.
Later that year, in September, Glenna Collett won the U.S. Women's Amateur championship on Old White. That remains the only USGA major championship ever staged at the Greenbrier.
The West Virginia Open, won for a fifth time by David Bradshaw last week at Sleepy Hollow and won 17 times by Snead, began its 77-year run in 1933. But that's not the same West Virginia Open that lasted one year and is recognized as a PGA victory in 1928 on the Old White by Phil Hart.
Snead won the last two PGA tour events at what was his home course for so long. He began as an assistant pro at The Greenbrier for $45 a month in 1936, according to Conte.
Snead actually started me down this cart path. I had saved a copy of his biographical sketch from an old PGA Tour media guide. It lists two tournament wins in his adopted home state, the only two events played in West Virginia since the Tour officially began.
The first of Snead's record 81 Tour wins, in 1936, came in the West Virginia Closed Pro tournament. Two years later, Slammin' Sam won a reborn - and the last - White Sulphur Springs Open.
Here's where the historical fun begins.
In doing research, I contacted Denney at the PGA. He located not only the results from the 1938 White Sulphur Springs Open, but also a page from Snead's biographical sketch in the 1938 PGA guide.
It says Snead "played in the (1936) West Virginia Closed Pro championship and scored a 61 on the Old White course at White Sulphur." However, there is no record, Denney said, of the Closed Pro event in PGA annals.
Snead, well known for buttonholing PGA officials as he tried to get his victories stamped as official wins, likely "petitioned, and the tour allowed it as an official event," Denney said.
At The Greenbrier, historian Conte seems to have figured out the 1936 Closed Pro when he found a one-paragraph mention of Snead - UPI called him "Sneed" - shooting a 61 on a clipping in a scrapbook at the resort.
"It appears that there was a professional tournament tacked on to the end of the annual West Virginia Amateur," Conte wrote in an e-mail. "The Amateur was played July 6-9 (Tom Brand, of Kingwood, won it). I am quoting (very limited) newspaper stories here:
"'Starting on Thursday afternoon, there will be a professional-amateur tournament, the participation limited to professionals accredited to member clubs, for 18 holes of medal play and the final 36 holes on Friday morning (July 9-10).'
"The Amateur generated way more coverage than this professional event ... "
Accounts in the scrapbook say Snead shot his first 18 on the Greenbrier course, and that is where he posted a 61. He followed that with a 70 on Old White. Snead's 131 romped over runner-up Clem Weichman of Logan (74-73-147). Weichman later won four West Virginia Opens.
Conte also discovered that "apparently back then, the men's and the women's (West Virginia) Amateur championships went on simultaneously, with the men on Old White and the women on Greenbrier. This (Closed) pro event seems like almost an afterthought. It was literally played after the Amateur concluded."
So, Snead's 61 was on the Greenbrier Course, not Old White. Here is the Associated Press version of the event:
"On the record-breaking 61 round Snead never was over par on a hole. He shot birdies on the second, fourth, seventh, eighth, 13th, 14th, 15th, 16th and 18th. He drove 293 yards to the green on the sixth and 286 for the ninth, but three-putted each with a chance for deuces. They were his only three-putt holes on the round."
Conte backs up the 61 being on the Greenbrier Course with this:
"If you look at that AP quote about the birdies, it also says that Sam drove the green on six and nine. I just happen to have a scorecard from the Greenbrier Course of that vintage and No. 6 is 293 yards and No. 9 is 286 yards - the exact yardage they quote. (Those holes) on Old White would have been much longer."
It also was later reported that Snead entered the 1938 White Sulphur Springs Open with the Old White course record of 62 (not 61) ... which brings us to the last PGA Tour stop at The Greenbrier until next week.
The 1938 White Sulphur Springs Open was played Nov. 8-10, with two of the four rounds on the first day. Snead entered the tournament with the all-time high winnings for the PGA in a single year - $17,353. He won seven tournaments that year.
To show how dominant Snead had been, in second place was John Revolta, with $7,353.
The purse was $3,000, a far, far cry from the Greenbrier Classic, where $1.08 million of the $6 million purse will go to the champion. Snead used his local knowledge to advantage on the par-70 Old White, shooting 68-68-69-68-273, two shots in front of Ky Laffoon.
Byron Nelson was in the field, as well as Billy Burke, Lawson Little, Tony Armour and Johnny Bulla. A few West Virginia Amateur champs competed, including Fred Bannerot of Charleston. Actor Randolph Scott was another amateur entry. Snead had played a practice round with him to generate press coverage, Conte found.
The '38 WSS Open was the beginning of a winter swing through the South, with the next stop Pinehurst, then Columbia, S.C., Augusta, Ga., and Miami.
Anyway, Snead won $700 with the last White Sulphur title, and "he was paid it completely in nickels," Conte said. "They gave it to him in a bushel basket.
"They always joked that Sam still had the first nickel he ever won. That's why they did that. There are pictures of it here in scrapbooks."
Since that Snead win, the 12th of his 81 on Tour, the major tour's primary exposure at The Greenbrier came in those Sam Snead Festivals. Henry Cotton won the first of those in 1948, three months before he won the last of his three British Opens.
Snead won six of the 14 Festivals, where in 1955 Palmer got his first pro paycheck (splitting $850 with amateur Spencer Olin for their share of the Snead pro-am title). Snead topped Gary Player in a playoff in 1958. Top West Virginia amateurs Bill Campbell and Ed Tutwiler were regulars in the event.
Snead shot a 59 in the third round of the '59 Festival. But perhaps the most memorable year in a Festival, historians say, was 1950. Ben Hogan, launching his comeback from a near-fatal auto/bus crash, shot rounds of 64-64-65-66 (259) to top Snead. The Texan then won six of his nine majors after that.
Next week, recently committed players like Angel Cabrera, Paul Goydos, Andres Romero, Lee Janzen and Jim Furyk, likely to be joined by many even bigger names within a few days, will take to the Old White's 6,826 yards.
They will be chasing more than that little dimpled white ball.
They will be chasing big bucks at the stately old resort. They will be chasing deep history, too.
Contact Sports Editor Jack Bogaczyk at ja...@dailymail.com or 304-348-7949.


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Black-and-White Baby Toys 14 High-Contrast Finds to Boost Your Baby's Vision by Sarah Lipoff 7/26/13 5 Reactions 98 Shares Print 86 1 11 0 0 What's black and white with an occasional pop of red? The best toys for your new baby! Until about 6 months of age, infants can only see black, white, and a bit of red, so toys and room decor in these colors are the most visually stimulating. If you want to see what the world looks like to your newborn, you can check out this cool feature on Wee Gallery's website. Then click through to see 14 of our favorite high-contrast finds for developing eyes! Art For Baby What's Your Reaction? 0 0 0 0 0 0 Encourage an appreciation for the arts with Art For Baby ($18, originally $22), a collection of black and white imagery from some of the world's most famous modern artists. 1 / 14 Sassy Ring O'Links Rattle What's Your Reaction? 0 0 0 0 0 0 Here's a collection of vibrantly colored teething rings on a black and white link ($5) that encourages your baby's tactile development and vision. While she's exploring, she's developing her senses and having a wonderful time learning about color. 2 / 14 Infant Graphic-Shapes Set What's Your Reaction? 0 0 0 0 0 0 This set of three soft, high-contrast printed blocks ($18, originally $25) is perfect for encouraging your lil one to reach and grasp. Along with developing visual skills, they also make noises when shaken — engaging hearing — and offer different textures on varying sides of the soft blocks. 3 / 14 Micielo Micielo Princess Leia Rattle What's Your Reaction? 0 0 0 0 0 0 We've got two great reasons to head over to Etsy and order this awesomely adorable Princess Leia Rattle ($14) for your baby — it'll stimulate his vision, and all proceeds benefit the Red Cross. 4 / 14 Bright Starts Start Your Senses Plus Pal What's Your Reaction? 0 0 0 0 0 0 This plush pal ($9) is ready to encourage your new babe to pull, grab, hold, gnaw, and use her eyes to focus on all the contrasting colors. Connect it to your baby's bouncy chair or car seat for hours of fun. 6 / 14 Hello, Animals! What's Your Reaction? 0 0 0 0 0 0 This sweet and simple board book ($6) is filled with black and white illustrations dotted with vibrant color. The perfect first book to share with your baby, it's one she will love looking at over and over. And reading to your babe encourages her language skills! 6 / 14 Alphabet Factory Building Blocks What's Your Reaction? 0 0 0 0 0 0 The hippest set of building blocks ($70) we've ever seen, each block features its own high-contrast typography or pattern. 7 / 14 Wee Gallery Black and White Nesting Dolls What's Your Reaction? 0 0 0 0 0 0 This adorable trio of nesting-doll animals ($38) offers high-contrast playtime fun for toddlers. 8 / 14 NiHaMa Black and White Rattle What's Your Reaction? 0 0 0 0 0 0 A gorgeous wooden and knit baby rattle ($16) is easy to grasp for tiny hands. 9 / 14 Wimmer Ferguson Crawl & Discover Mat What's Your Reaction? 0 0 0 0 0 0 Watch as your infant crawls and discovers the wonders around her with this soft high-contrast play mat ($50). With many features like liftable flaps, textures, and crinkle paper, the mat also includes a play mirror for your baby's visual enjoyment. 11 / 14 Wee Gallery Art Cards What's Your Reaction? 0 0 0 0 0 0 With rounded edges and bold designs, these art cards ($13) are made for standing up to your baby's explorations. 11 / 14 Pingvini Penguin Mobile What's Your Reaction? 0 0 0 0 0 0 Stimulate visual development for young babies with Etsy seller Pingvini's beautiful handmade organic penguin mobile ($80). 12 / 14 NUNUNU Baby Onesie What's Your Reaction? 0 0 0 0 0 0 NUNUNU Baby puts a graphic edge on the traditional cotton onesies and separates ($15-40). 13 / 14 Soft Baby Sensory Toy What's Your Reaction? 0 0 0 0 0 0 Handmade with love, this developmental sensory toy ($12) from Etsy seller Zadyball is sure to make your baby happy. With a soft central ball and long sensory strings for your babe to pull and explore, this easy-to-grab toy is sure to be a favorite. 14 / 14 86 1 11 0 0 Back to Homepage Read More InfantsKid ShoppingKid ToysBaby infants 5 Fun Ways to Entertain a Baby (Without Losing Your Mind) 5/10/13 What's Your Reaction? 0 0 0 0 0 0 0Reactions Link Love Mom forced to stop feeding baby homemade formula — BabyCenter Blog The easiest ways to save on organic food — The Stir A look inside Fergie's second baby shower — Celebrity Baby Scoop Danielle Jonas debuts her baby bump — People Moms & Babies 7 light and fresh recipes to take you through Summer — FitPregnancy Does where you live affect your risk for PPD? — The Bump Where to find the best deals on school supplies — Real Simple Now this is how you announce a pregnancy! — HuffPost Parents
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Alfred Earl BeckerJune 05, 2013, 8:00 am by Staff Reports
Alfred is predeceased by his father and mother, sister Vivian, brother, Eugene, and granddaughter, Rebecca. Alfred served in the US Air Force for 28 years, pulling his family from Virginia to the Philippines and pit-stopping several times in San Antonio; the family home base. Alfred served two tours in Vietnam and a separate tour in Korea. He started his military career serving in Germany at the end of World War II. Alfred retired from the military and moved to the Marble Falls area in 1975. He worked at the Horseshoe Bay airport and later as a bus driver for the Marble Falls School district. He was a man who enjoyed a good days work, but enjoyed his time with his family most. His children, grandchildren, and great-grandchildren were his greatest pride. Survived by his wife of 60 years, Marjorie; children, Catherine Miller and husband, James; Carolyn Watts and husband, Lamar; Michael Becker and wife, Patricia; Mark Becker and wife, Tracey; grandchildren, Stephanie, Timothy, Amy, Nicole, Jessica, Benjamin, Charlie, Justin, Lane and Ryan; great-grandchildren, Cody, Ella, Emery, Brice, Henry, and Ben; sisters, Elizabeth Markell and husband, Lloyd, and Beverly Leverett and husband, Donald; and finally, many, many nieces and nephews. Visitation was Friday, June 14 from 5 7 p.m. at Clements-Wilcox Funeral Home, Marble Falls. Funeral services were Saturday, June 15 at 3 p.m. at Clements-Wilcox Funeral Home. Interment will follow at Lakeland Hills Memorial Park. Pallbearers are Justin Becker, Ryan Becker, Mark Becker, Michael Becker, James Miller, and Rick McQuaide. Honorary pallbearers are Don Buss, Bobby Boyles, Cody Kidd, and Brice Becker. Condolences may be offered at www.clementswilcoxfuneralhome.com |
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Titleist has now come out with the softest DT yet. The new DT SoLo was developed with one objective in mind; to design the softest compression feel possible and deliver the long distance and contral that are the DT standard.
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I am a high handicap golfer. Shoot high eighties to mid nineties. I've always figured - why waste money on balls that regularly find the woods and forest, so I usually buy whatever is on sale. I got a free box of these balls, and played them cautiously on big wide open fairways. My shots always seemed longer and it took me six months to go through that first dozen. I bought four dozen more, and they definitely do play longer. I wonder if they modified the design though. Part of the reason I bought these balls was because they seemed to fly straighter too. The newer boxes I bought recently do not seem to fly as straight and seem to magnify the consistent fade that I play on good days. I still like seeing my good shots go further than I remember hitting them in the last few years.
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Desert Essence Natural Tea Tree Oil Toothpaste Ginger -- 6.25 oz
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Desert Essence is actually my favorite brand of toothpaste; however, the ginger in this toothpaste is just a little to odd tasting.
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A great toothpaste when you want something organic and natural. But to me, it has a moldy taste. I'm sure to the next person it tastes great but to me, a little moldy taste. I've tried other flavors with no problem, it's just this Ginger.
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Ross MacCulloch joined the ROM as Assistant Curator of Herpetology in 1982. He is responsible for organization of the herpetology collection and computerization of the associated data.
In 2002, Ross managed the move of the collection to its new home at the ROM's Oakville facility. The collection is worldwide in scope, with strengths in the herpetofauna of Southeast Asia, northern South America, southwestern USA/northwestern Mexico, the Caucasus region and Australia, in addition to an extensive collection of Canadian specimens, with emphasis on Ontario. The ROM's collections are included in HerpNET and in the Ontario Herpetofaunal Summary. Ross drew extensively on the collections from Ontario for the production of the ROM Field Guide to Amphibians and Reptiles of Ontario, the definitive guide to Ontario herpetofauna.
Ross has collected in Peru, Australia, Jamaica, Mexico and Guyana, as well as in Canada. His recent research has concentrated on the herpetofauna of northern South America, especially Guyana. Details of these expeditions can be found in his related publications and research page – Amphibians and Reptiles of Guyana.


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Need an excuse to act like a farm animal? Use this Pig Mask as part of your next Halloween costume and oink your way into the party! Convenient eye and nose holes make for a comfortable and easy to wear addition to your outfit.
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Really nice look for the price
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Professional & Career Development
Lawyers today, regardless of their practice, require a wide array of skills to be successful. These skills range from networking and business development to basic professionalism. The Office of Professional & Career Development at Syracuse University College of Law provides a variety of programming and networking opportunities to assist students with developing these critical attributes. Working one-on-one with students, the Office of Professional & Career Development assists them with crafting job search strategies which focus on their interests and capitalize on their strengths.
A legal education from Syracuse University College of Law opens the doors to a broad spectrum of interesting and challenging careers. Today, as in the past, our graduates are having a profound impact on their communities. To introduce students to the diverse career paths available to them, the Office of Professional & Career Development is honored to highlight members of the alumni community at various stages in their careers whose work encompasses an array of practice areas.
Kristoffer Kiefer graduated from the University of Rochester in 2002 and earned his Juris Doctor in 2005 from Syracuse University College of Law. While at the College of Law, Mr. Kiefer was Editor-in-Chief of the Journal of International Law and Commerce, a member of the Moot Court Honor Society, a member of the Jessup Moot Court Team, a Student Senator, and a Structured Study Group leader. He also received a certificate in National Security and Counterterrorism Studies from Syracuse's Institute for National Security and Counterterrorism, and he spent an academic year clerking for the United States Attorney's Office for the Northern District of New York.
Mr. Kiefer currently serves as General Counsel for U.S. Senator Jeff Flake of Arizona. In that role he oversees Senator Flake's Energy and Natural Resources Committee portfolio, including work on energy, water, land use, and environmental regulations. Mr. Kiefer also provides advice on the legal implications of certain legislation being considered by the Senate. Specific to the 113th Congress, he has served as lead advisor to Senator Flake on a bipartisan response to the growing threat of wildfires in the western United States. He has also worked closely with Senator Flake and the Department of the Interior to identify a responsible approach to water-resource issues in Arizona and throughout the Colorado River basin.
Having started his legal career at Snell & Wilmer LLP in Phoenix, Arizona, where he worked in the firm's real estate and environmental practice group, Mr. Kiefer's practice included work on the National Environmental Policy Act or NEPA, water rights, civil rights, and state procurement law. He also previously served as Legislative Counsel for former U.S. Senator and Minority Whip Jon Kyl, where he provided strategic policy advice on a broad portfolio of issues, including federal water rights, cybersecurity, Native American affairs, energy, agriculture, and related appropriations bills.
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I think I'm being scammed... Does anybody recognize this suit/pics as belonging to anyone but a member named Butters. Any help is much appreciated.
Discussion on Does anyone recognize this suit/pics? SCAM? within the Boba Fett Costume forum, part of the Star Wars Original Trilogy Bounty Hunters category; I think I'm being scammed... Does anybody recognize this suit/pics
I think I'm being scammed... Does anybody recognize this suit/pics as belonging to anyone but a member named Butters. Any help is much appreciated.
Thats the helmet and boots that he claims were his... Anyone know those?
so you're assuming somebody used someone elses photos to make it look like he is "selling" them!? wow.
Thats what I'm thinking, yes...
I saw those pics on ebay too. If thats what the're doing thats just rude. have you tried contacting them about it?
Which pics? The armor, JP, and EE3... Or the boots and helmet?
what the heck has this world come to man?
i saw all of that on there im pretty sure.
also... the blacking out of the face on the one picture? trying to keep who it is unable to be identified maybe? idk.
Yeah... Its weird as hell... I'm waiting until Paypal decides on the claim, and if I don't get my 100% of my cash back, I'm filing criminal charges against the owner of the Paypal account. One way or another, I'm getting my money, or goods, or getting someone a felony conviction. He/they decided to rip off the wrong person.
Yeah, I saw the thread about that new guy, and I was sorta iffy on em, especially the way the guys face is blacked out on that one pic.
I hope everything goes alright Devilstar, good luck with your refund!
Thats chest armor almost looks like SPF. Almost, not saying it is.
Well, i would think the blacking out of the face is very similar to anyone else here not wanting their face shown with their armour.
Now, a smart person just crops the pic, and doesnt black it out. Much simpler.
Heres the best thing you can do in the future. Dont send money from your BANK ACCOUNT, send it from your CREDIT CARD. With the bank account your at pay-pals mercy, and if he has removed the funds, your out of luck.
Its a lot easier to dispute a credit card claim. And the credit card company will do the dirty work of filing a fraud claim usually.
It was a cc... Waiting to see what happens with Paypal first. Plus, I don't think it qualifies as fraud to the cc company, because the cc pays Paypal, then Paypal pays him.
Not true...you can still do a chargeback on your CC. I've done it before. Usually the CC company will want details on the fraud and then they will rule in your favor and you'll get your money back. Paypal HATES it when you do it though, so use that method of recovering your money VERY sparingly.
I just called Mastercard... They need me to fill out a form and fax it in. :sigh:
What I really want to happen is for the stuff to show up on my door step, and then I can look like a jerk... A jerk that got a good deal on some stuff... lol... Such a pain dealing with this ****. I knew it stunk when I bought it, but it was a great 'deal', and the guys story kind of checked out. I mean, theres no way that he'd get away with it if I pressed criminal or civil charges, so I don't understand whats going on in his head. Seriously, it'd be two felony counts. Lets hope for his sake that I recover every dime; otherwise, I will press charges.
Thieves suck.
So what happened exactly?
Basically, I paid on the 31st... He said he would ship the next day, and send me a tracking number. Then I never heard from him again. Even after repeated posts, and PM's. I also stalked him through user profiles, both here and on the RPF. He has been online at both sites, with PM's and posts, and he hasn't responded AT ALL.
I've been over every scenario in my head... and can't think of a single excuse for him. All I can come up with is that he needed money so badly that he just doesn't care if he gets caught or not. And he will get caught - I paid to a verified Paypal account.
I know that it hasn't been that long... But the lack of communication and shady nature of the deal is enough for me to bag it before too much time passes. I paid him $560, and he can't even respond with a tracking number? Thats enough in my book to say that something is up.
Oh... and he had originally tried to get me to send a money order. This is the first and LAST time that I will buy anything from unestablished member... Unless they send the goods first.
Last edited by Devilstar2k2; Feb 11, 2008 at 11:03 AM.
Theres your proof that he needed money then. If he has a verified paypal account and told you to send him cash, then..whoa just lost my thought. oh yeah. if he said send him cash even tho he has paypal, he was trying to just get the money, and spend it on whatever it is he was trying to get and then there would be almost nothing for you to do about it.
(p.s. High School Mac keyboards suck)
I actually sort of have 3 threads running on it... His sale thread, a 'favor' thread in the sarlacc pit, and this one. Its kinda hard to miss... lol... :P
thats a load of ****! haha
this is why ebay sucks. any jack-... that wants to rip people off can and will do so by hijacking photo's for a false sale just to take your hard earned bills.
good luck getting your money back. make sure this loser learns his lesson
Sorry to hear that.....
Good Luck
You can escalate the claim with PayPal so you do not have to wait the (10?) days or whatever.
PayPal will only give you what he has in his account. If his account is empty... you get NADA!
"IF" PayPal returns only a portion of or none at all, get the Dispute rolling with your credit card. It is easy to do.
As Foxbatkllr said, your CC will get your money back. I've had to do it and got the money back no problem. And yes, use it sparingly. If you file too many chargebacks PayPal will close YOUR account!
ALWAYS fund PayPal payments with a credit card! Doing it that way gives you "Real" protection!
I called the cc company and they said they would email me the form... But I never got it... So... I have to call them again.
Yikes! What happened with Devilstar??
Yeah, he said some pretty nasty things (swearing like a preacher for lack of a better term) to members, as well as TDH
Dang...I missed the conclusion of that thread. I stopped posting in it after it was clear I wasn't telling him what he wanted to hear. I was trying to be reasonable and objective. Oh well.
i somehow had a feeling it would end up like this
I know I was reading that thing all afternoon! Then Poof it was gone!
Oh well.
Hope he gets what he wants.
I've dealt with Devil a few times, and he has always been helpful, patient, and informative. I'm sorry to see that he is gone. What can you do, he had been taken for quite a bit of money and wasn't happy with the quality of an item he received. It's unfortunate that it snow balled the way it did.
I stopped reading yesterday around 5ish. I kept seeing a new post like every few min. and didn't bother reading any more. what was he saying? I mean, i saw where he was coming from, but i wouldn't have made such a fuss about it. what got him banned?
yeah I gave up on reading it/trying to help too.
alls I was trying to do was tell him a way we fix stuff around here in similar shape just in case he didnt get a replacement... so he could fix and maybe throw on ebay :/
but he turns into just attacking people trying to help so screw it.
yeah he's spent a lot of money recently... but honestly 400.00 for gauntlets that arent metal is a bit high anyway if he was as tight on money as he says. alas.
I feel for the guy, but he's been a bit of a jerk in a lot of the posts he's in lately. quick to hash things out on people in public and attack innocent by-posters just cause he's angry
What did he do to get banned ?
all I've seen was expected venting...
The reason is posted now and it's only a 7 day ban
Not that I amount to a hill of beans on here, I just lurk a lot, but I personally know devil and yes he has spent a load of money on Boba gear recently. His financial situation gives him one time a year to spend money on the things he wants and that is tax time.
He had heard that they where great from many people so he gave them a chance and other than the major crack he liked them and was just asking for an undamaged piece, much like you would do if you went to a store and bought something for a large amount of money, just to find when you got it home that it was broken. Everyone of us would take it back to the store to get it replaced not fixed but replaced.
He had been ripped off of $500 from butters and to his mind $400 again with the gauntlets, where the damage is on them would be very hard to fix if at all possible and paying $400 for them he had expected to be able to use them.
I know of many things he has bought to almost complete a boba or jango tax time after tax time just to turn around and sell them because he needed money, if someone had an issue with what he sold them he ALWAYS took care of it. Even though he does nothing more than paint a lot of the items he bends over backward to help his "customer" and just expected the same in return.
Anyway in a 2 week period of time he is out (or could be considered out) $900 I think that would upset alot of people, did he get hot headed, yes he did, did he deserve a ban according to the rules of TDH , yes and he is serving it without much of a complaint but take a moment and look at it from where he was coming from 2 weeks almost $3000 in Boba parts from the community here, of which $900 was lost. He was told by many members to suck it up and consider it a lesson learned. OUCH tough lesson.
Ok back to your normally scheduled bounties and BTW I love TDH even if I don't post much.
No one told him to suck it up. I know I read the whole thing. Members gave him options and sugguestions. I never once read anything that sounded like, Too Bad so Sad..
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tazrob, not to get into the same argument with you as it was headed with Devil, but the issue was, a bunch of us were trying to help him, assuming he COULDNT get a replacement. we all wanted him to be able to get his money back... but if he couldnt, we were offering solutions to help him maybe fix the crack then sell the gauntlets to get some of his money back. we didnt so much want him to suck it up, well, not I, I just wanted him to have an option of getting 300-350 of his money back by ebay.
if you are in this long enough you lost money somewhere. its unfortunate but it happens to a lot of us the issue was he cursed at and disrespected folk only wanting to help him if he got stuck with the gauntlets with no refund. and to encourage him to try sending them back for the fix that was offered.
as for the money thing, i too have little to throw around. other than the Kids around here, I probably make less than everyone else. which is why i have to look hard at what I buy and why I went with the gauntlets I did that look darn good for 1/4 MoW especially after digging around to see I wasnt that thrilled with MoW for the price.
I still hope he's able to get something out of it... as I posted in that thread, there are a LOT of people selling stuff waaaay overpriced who dont care about their work now-a-days or their costumers. see us as a meal ticket, cause those who have huge disposable incomes can throw money at them it really really sucks.
I am not here to argue with anyone, Its all good I just did not want to see a lynch mob develop AGAIN, lol. Taco you still working on Jedi belts?
I think this is actually a really important thing that not a lot of folks think about...
We're used to that mentality. We buy something at Target, it's busted, we bring it back, and all is well.
The thing to remember is that while it's cool when a hobbyist does that, it's not really *required* of them, since there are no rules to govern our illegal passtime. Word of mouth / reputation is really the only governance.
We *expect* that level of service, but really shouldn't.
To that end, I'm really clear about things when I sell stuff that I make. As-is, final sale, no returns, if you're not happy sell it to someone else, but I don't want it back. If people don't want to buy from me, that's fine.
Anyway, I think it's a good lesson to us all that we need to remember that the established framework of retail sales does not necessarily apply in the hobby realm.
and generally, large ticket items, if opened, you dont get a new one, you have to send it back to be fixed. happened with x-boxes recently. you send it in to get it fixed, they didnt always send ya a new one. sometimes the retail store you bought it at will take it back, but not always. especially with electronics.
I still hope Devil sends it back and gets them fixed or is able to resell them.
as a seller, I'd be worried someone would have decided they didnt want the item, or found a cheaper option, and is breaking it on purpose to get a refund.
not saying that happened here, as it seems obvious DS had a bunch of people in the same boat as him with that particular seller...
but thats why I never got into large expensive things, I only make small things and cloth things, mostly Rebel costumes. as if someone decides they dont want it, its not gonna be broken and sent back to me. and I generally dont make a large profit anyway.
I think we should be able to get that level of service for props, but I certainly dont expect it anymore which is why i take a long time before I trust a seller. *shrug*
both sides of our hobby is a bit dangerous unfortunately
that is the part that I think shouldn't have gone ignored. MOW really had no response to any of the comments about consistency in his product and I'm sure everyone would have liked to hear his side of the story.
Unfortunately, I think with Devil's ban the message that came across was that negative comments towards sellers were not allowed or not taken seriously.
and to take it a bit further, I know this is more of an independent market and not big box retailers, but why shouldn't we expect great service from TDH sellers?
I mean aren't we all here to help each other out anyways? I mean i'm sure every seller likes to make profit on their work, but if we're really thinking about money wouldn't it have been better to just replace the gauntlet for Devil?
Devil probably would have just started a thread, like most members do, commenting on how accommodating MOW was in the transaction and how no one should hesitate to buy from him? Even from a business standpoint it makes more sense. All it really turned into was people telling him that he should have bought from Wickedbeard or that they had similar problems with MOW's product.
Last edited by Clan_Skirata; Feb 15, 2008 at 8:32 PM.
because the sellers are under no *obigation* to provide it.
i guess i overly simplified that... it would be nice if we could expect it, but it's the seller's call whether they provide it or not.
i've bought stuff from awesome people and **** people. i tell folks my experiences as they happen, and leave it at that.
this isn't the first time that mow has been called out on support issues. when i've been asked about him, i say that his stuff is great when it comes all correct, but if you have an issue, his support is lackluster.
just like durasteel/partsandtechnical.com... HUGE pain to deal with, but awesome awesome stuff when you finally get it.
so i don't want it to seem that i'm defending mow or anything.
i'm just saying that i'm never surprised when someone stinks to deal with. when someone IS great to deal with, it's a great thing, but i don't expect it.
maybe it's just a cynical attitude, but i almost expect to NOT get what i paid for most of the time.
i'd like to take this opportunity to speak to the above issue, as it simply is not the case.
Devilstar was initially banned because of the manner within which he chose to handle the situation with MOW. As I stated to Devilstar, I was sympathetic to his situation, and especially in light of the fact that he had so recently been taken advantage of, sadly, by "Butters". Devilstar violated the CoC through the repeated and pervasive use of profanity and through a lack of respect for the members and admins of this forum. It was not the fact that Devilstaf was dissatisfied with a Seller, that is your perogative, however, it was the manner within which he chose to express his dissatisfaction, i.e. the use of profanity, etc.
It is not our intent to curb discussion of available Fett parts and makers, quite the converse. However, as with any topic to be discussed herein, the discussion must be consistent with our CoC. Simply stated, while its ok to be frustrated, and, yes, even angry on occasions, there are ways to express that in a manner that is mature, and, moreover, within the confines of the CoC.
Devilstar's ban was made permanent due to a completely unrepentant attitude and further transgressions in private conversations with the Admins. It was unfortunate, mostly because it was completely avoidable. It certainly was not the outcome we wanted, but it was the path he chose for himself. To that end, we wish him the best in his future endeavors.
I hope this clarifies the issue.
I think DS did take the matter a little over the top, and I do feel sorry for him. OSK is right in the fact that Devilstar could have expressed his anger / disappointment in a more suitable way, and it's too bad that it ended this way.
Thanks for clearing up the whole issue OSK.
Oh I do understand, that he was not banned for voicing his disapproval, but more certain ways he chose to say things.
The point I did wish to address, was how much were the MOW accusations looked into. I'm sure that all the mods discussed on how to punish Devil, but did anyone follow up on any of the concerns brought up about MOW's product?
I know admins don't wish to spend their whole time policing the cargo hold, but if there is shoddy product being pushed on TDH, then you would be a little concerned right?
MOW's product always seemed tip-top and I haven't ever owned one of his pieces, but I just think its a little odd that Devil got the banned stamp, and the whole topic of the argument was kinda pushed aside. Just doesn't seem case closed to me
What is Butters' status? Is he still an active member here?
still a registered member here.
even though he was a bit harsh on here, it's still good to know that he got all but 17 bucks back. good for him. I never would want someone to get scammed like that.
This was so unfortunate. That thread was going downhill quickly and suddenly jumped to light speed. I am glad he got most of his money back. I wonder what will happen with Butters?
good to hear he got his funds back
That is a tough break for Devilstar, he had been a member here for a while too. Now He got some money and I am sure he has had time to reflect, is there no way he would be allowed to come back? I understand the scammer was not the reason for his ban but it is clear it played a big part in it.
Glad to here he got most of the money back, a lesson learned for all of us.
Best wishes Devilstar, hope to see you around some time bro.
I'm glad to see he got his money back His downfall however was unfortunate.
Well, it's good he got some back. He seemed like a pretty cool guy all the times I've seen him or dealt with him in other threads.
so...what's gonna happen to butters?
I doubt "Butters" will post again any way.
For all we know, Butters did nothing wrong. Perhaps Butters was having some sort of problem that can not be explained at the immediate time; not trying to spark up any debate, but just pointing it out. Also the $17 that Devilstar2k2 did not receive seems to be the PayPal fees from the money he sent if my calculations are correct.
If Butters intended to steal Shawn's money, why would it still be in his PayPal account 2-4 weeks later?
I'm not trying to take Butters off of the hook here, he was acting extremely shady with his dealings with Shawn, also not to mention his complete ignorance of PMs here on TDH and on the RPF.
For all we know his mother could have died. I certainly would have stopped answering things if that happened. and I would have left the money sitting there too so paypal could get it back.
but he was banned on a nonperm. status for a while, he ended up with a total ban because of things said via PM to command staff, it says so in the reason that was posted, so it doesnt look like he'll be allowed to come back.
would I buy from Butters if he came back? only if he sent me the stuff first , lol.
should he be banned too? maybe he should be banned from selling like cookie was, but he didnt curse and be disrespectful to members and admin.
I agree with WOlfie.
HE was being pretty "tooly" about his situation.
Its bad to air so much dirty laundry in public.
In the end he got his money back good for him!
I sit aimlessly on the computer when depressed.
I ignore emails and PMs then also. and depending on what the PMs said (IE if they were jumping down my throat) I wouldnt answer them for sure. Butters should have shipped the stuff. Or admitted he sold it for higher or on ebay instead if he did something like that... Butters was wrong too... but we dont know everything is all.
we do know how DS decided to deal with things though.
Ripcode has great stuff when its up in the cargo bay. Scam Away my friend Scam Away!
sounds good to me :P
i've had to take two weeks to ship things before due to personal things happening. and if someone had jumped on me like that I would have let them get their money back. granted i would have sent it back instead of letting paypal take it... but as cheap as he was selling it, he was A: scamming or B: had a personal thing for why he had to sell quickly.
I just dont like things getting ugly with out both sides of things. I'd feel kinda bad if I found out later that I had called someone names for not being quick about stuff , that something tragic had happened.
but more than likely , nothing happened it it was a lame transaction. even lamer since he didnt even scam properly and left the money in paypal lol.
but like I said earlier, i'm glad he got his money back.
seems like i've missed a lot over the past few days
I need to stop skimming and start reading.
That's too bad it had to end in a ban like that.
When I buy, I send it _right_ then. When I sell, I ship it right then.
But everyone is NOT me. And $20 to me means a totally different thing to my son, and to my father.
For my son, its a months worth, and losing it would make him flip out, do wierd things, and act wierd. My dad, would hope that someone that needed it found it. if he noticed.
My point: You can not argue with the way someone feels or things, because its subjective. While I cant condone some of these actions, I am not judgemental either. I try to look at it like this.
If he was in a serious car crash, or lost a loved one, how would I feel?
Therefor I always reserve judgement.
So for butters, you never know what happened. For devilstar, I do not know if hes more like my son, or my dad. I can not begin to tell you how he felt, how long he saved, or how many people egged him on with 'you got scammed'.
You push someone far enough they act wierd. But since I do not know both stories I assume the truth is somewhere in the middle.
But then again I think mike tyson was innocent (some of the time) too.
as a side note, its VERY hard to put 'inflection' into someones 'typing'.
Some people are very poor at expressing themselves in text. Some people always read things as pesamistic or condescending. Some people couldnt catch a hint in text, if someone hit them with the book it was written in.
So in short. I have no opinion, but really wanted to see if anyone would read this far
Oh, I read that far ... and the first thing that hits me about you is this ...
You are a seriously observant, wise man. Maybe even a student of human nature. Props to you buddy - that is some seriously good "voice of reason" you've got going there, and people should read it, and get something from it.
I totally agree with Stormrider. I did however feel slightly disrespected by DS. We were all offering help and suggestions. Heck, even Taco offered to help him with the cost of postage to get his stuff fixed. Wickedbeard offered to step up and help too. I was impressed with the love shown by members who had no financial interest in helping, but offered anyway. Thank you guys/gals for being the class acts that you are! Jason
Cjake, would you be interested in charity in that frame of mind? I would not, no matter how good the intentions.
As for butters, maybe the scam was always intended to be whoever the paypal account belonged to. I am sure I read it was his room mates, if that is true, and something here must be, that guy is down around $500. This may explain why the money was still there.
There are a million what if's here, but the bottom line is, a liked member has been pushed to his breaking point and this has resulted in the loss of his access to spend time here, talking with other like minded people, some of which he probably feels let down by.
I am not saying he should be excused for his behaviour and disrespect, just a shame it came to this. I hope some day to see him back if the situation allows.
The user "Butters" has been banned due to entering into allegedly fraudulent transactions in the Cargo Hold.
Butters has been given 48 hours to explain the transaction and provide a good faith basis for his failure to ship merchandise.
If Butters does not produce said good faith basis, he will be permanently banned.
Excellent!! Well put Stormrider!


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A fugitive New Hampshire couple accused of severely abusing a 3-year-old boy was arrested just after they watched a parade at Universal Studios in Orlando on Wednesday night.Roland Dow, 27, and Jessica Linscott, 23, face first- and second-degree assault charges in the alleged abuse of Linscott's 3-year-old son. "They almost killed my grandson," the boy's paternal grandmother, Helen Nicholson, said. "He told me that Roland was hitting him on the head and spanking him."According to investigators, Linscott dropped her child off at a New Hampshire hospital with a brain injury, massive bruising, a visual impairment and burns. Linscott said the injuries were self-inflicted. Linscott and Dow were missing for more than a week after the child was dropped off at the hospital. "I find it very sad that these two were located in an area designed to bring joy and happiness to children," U.S. Marshal David L. Cargill Jr. said in a statement.The boy has undergone two brain surgeries and is beginning to regain his eyesight, according to Nicholson.The child's father, Jonathan Nicholson, died 3 months after his son was born. The couple was taken into custody without incident, according to U.S. Marshals. "They were pretty calm, pretty cool, no fuss," Deputy U.S. Marshal David Charles said.Dow is charged with first- and second-degree felony child abuse. Linscott is facing six counts of endangering a child. It is unclear whether the couple will face any additional charges. Linscott and Dow were booked into the Orange County Jail, where they are being held pending their arraignment on fugitive-from-justice charges.
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