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Cervelo R5
Last year I reviewed the Cervelo R3. I spent three months riding the bike over all my favored terrain and on my usual group rides. When the time came to pack the bike up, I did so with the reluctance of a child heading to his first day of school. For those who missed it, part I is here and part II here. For those who want the bottom line, I can tell you it's a seriously amazing bike, one of the best I've ridden.
But here's the strange thing about the R3: It's not Cervelo's top-drawer stuff. While it compares favorably to bikes like Specialized's S-Works Tarmac SL3 and even preferable to the Focus Izalco, which I liked a lot, there's still the R5 to consider. For a while, the R5 was only available as the R5ca, the nearly $10k wonder bike made in California that had been ridden by so few people most of us were left wondering just how good it was. Now there's an Asian-produced R5VWD (Vroomen White Design) that goes for $4900, half what the R5ca retails for.
Okay, so let's talk about what differentiates the R5ca from the R5VWD from the R3. They all share tube shapes and geometry. Put another way, the heart of the bikes is the same. They handle the same and offer essentially the same performance characteristics in terms of stiffness. The R5ca and the R5VWD share the same molds, but the R5ca is made by hand here in California while the R5VWD is made in Asia—also by hand. What they don't share are materials. Well, they share some materials, but not all. The R5ca gets Cervelo's best-of-the-best materials while the R5VWD receives a mix that's a little less fussy. While Cervelo wouldn't go into detail, my previous experience in talking with engineers is that there are varieties of carbon fiber that are super-light and ultra-stiff (not to mention stunningly expensive). They are also wicked-pissa-brittle. They have to be handled carefully and placed just-so in order to result in a useful contribution to a frame.
The R5s both get a one-piece front triangle, but they aren't quite the same. The R5ca does have an interesting feature to it. The mold to make its one-piece front triangle isn't exactly the same as the R5VWD. Once the engineers at Cervelo were convinced they'd gotten the geometry right for the R5, they fixed the saddle location and then slackened the seat angle to enable them to achieve the same saddle position while using a lighter zero-setback seatpost. That is why if you look at the geometry chart for the R5ca and the R5VWD, you'll see they have the same reach, but the R5ca has longer top tubes at each size.
By contrast, the R3 has completely different molds and is made using some less expensive materials than the R5VWD. The R3 has a separate BB that is then bonded and over-wrapped to the seat tube, down tube and chainstays. Laying up a one-piece front triangle is considerably more difficult, especially at the bottom bracket. However, the extra time and work required result in a frame that is just as stiff as the R3 but 10 percent lighter. The R5ca realizes an even greater gain: a 56cm R5ca weighs in at 650g.
Everything else about the R3 and R5VWD is the same: same size run, same geometry. Though not the price. And honestly, the price is the great separator between these bikes. The R3, at $2200 for frame (complete bikes start at $3150) is less than half the cost of the R5VWD. The obvious question is whether the R5VWD is twice the bike. And the answer is … sorta.
The challenge presented by these super bikes (and ultra bikes in the case of the R5ca) is that the gains that are possible over a bike as good as the R3 are really incremental. The difference between a Schwinn Varsity from the 1970s and an R3 might be several orders of magnitude (Varsity < '70s Colnago < current custom steel < 1kg carbon frame < R3 … roughly). And what I mean by order of magnitude is that you can put a non-cyclist on a 1kg carbon frame—a decent bike by any standard—and they'd be able to appreciate how much nicer the R3 rides. Unfortunately, the same can't be said of the difference between the R3 and the R5VWD. To most riders, I think you'll notice the difference, but it's not of the mind-blowing difference between hanging out in the garage listening to some neighborhood kids play AC/DC and actually seeing AC/DC live.
So if they are just as stiff torsionally and vertically and have the same geometry, what's the fuss? That's easy—less mass. If you look at the R5VWD as the same bike as the R3 but lighter, you've missed the real point of this bike. Weight isn't the reason to buy this bike. In reducing the amount of material in the bike, Cervelo moved an important step closer to the point I keep making in review after review: Less material results in a livelier ride. This point was driven home for me in an unexpected way when I was up in Geyserville in May and we did some rides over rather rough roads. To take the sting out of the combination of stiff bikes rolling on deep-section Easton wheels, we pumped the tires up to only 80 psi. Most bikes I've ridden feel pretty dead at such low pressures because the tires soak up so much of what's happening with the road surface. I was surprised by just how great a sense of the road I continued to have even at the more forgiving pressure.
The R5ca continues to intrigue me. It has a much more minimal finish than the R5VWD, and in my experience, what often makes the biggest difference in feel between bikes in the sub-900g range is paint. If you're going to take 100g of material off an 850g frame, I'm more interested in dropping the nonstructural paint than I am structural carbon.
I rode this thing like crazy while I had it, even putting a final ride on it the day I had to pack it up and ship it out. Today's garden variety carbon frame is so much better, performance-wise, than the stuff most of us cut our teeth on, it can be difficult to convey just what a cut above a bike like the R5VWD is. Think back to the '70s, '80s or '90s and how nearly every steel bike of quality (let's leave out the crap, straight-gauge 4130) out there was made from Columbus, Reynolds or True Temper tubing. It was a good, but exceedingly limited, palette. Today's builders have far more powerful tools at their disposal. So while the cheapest open-mold Chinese carbon fiber bike found on eBay performs better in a sprint than anything built with Columbus SL, the very best work being done by a company like Cervelo is difficult illustrate. The best analog, or perhaps the easiest analog, is to be found in the automotive world. Few of us have driven a car as nice as a Ferrari. Few of us can afford one as well, but those who have had the experience describe it as unlike more run-of-the-mill sports cars. And that's where the R5VWD sits. It's a luxury. You can get an amazing bike for half what this costs. But the bikes we ride aren't just transportation, they are expressions of passion and when I get on a bike, I want an affair to remember. Trust me when I tell you, I'll not soon forget this bike.
Cervelo R3, Part II
The squoval tube shape takes some getting used to, at least, visually.
My favorite bikes are of a piece. They've got sharp handling. They have enough stiffness in torsion that when I stand up at the foot of a short hill they yield the sense that not a watt is wasted in flex. They also impart a tactile sense of the road surface. That's not to say bikes that fall outside that particular style are bad, but if I'm plunking my money down, that's what I want out of the experience.
It's fair to ask why and the why is rooted in my sense of a good time. My favorite rides are 70- to 90-miles long and head north to Malibu. Generally two ascents, but sometimes three. And on the descents I do all I can to brake not at all. That's really only possible on four of the descents in Malibu. On the others I'm late and hard and for that reason I want maximum feedback from the road. I want to know as clearly as possible what those tires are doing.
As I see it, the difference between a bike like the Tarmac SL3 and, say, a Time VRS is the difference in feel at the steering wheel between a BMW 3-series and a Lexus IS. Time works to dampen vibration and shield the rider from as much high-frequency vibration as possible. This is no sport-tuned suspension.
The R3 offered a similar sense of road feel to the Tarmac, though not quite so crisp. I can't say exactly what factors contributed to the difference, but the fact that the frame was painted played into it. What we're talking about here is a very minor difference.
The FK30 SL fork is Cervelo-designed, but not built, but it is both lighter and stiffer than the 3T they were using previously.
That I liked the handling is no real surprise. In my size, the bike has the same head angle (73.5 degrees) and fork rake (43mm) as the Tarmac, resulting in the same trail, 5.59cm. BB drop is almost identical. Same for the front center and top tube length. The chainstays on the R3 are 2mm shorter (40.5cm) and the head tube is 6mm shorter (19.9cm). These bikes, at least in my size are virtually identical. Little wonder I liked the handling and could rail descents on this even if I'd just switched back to the R3 after I'd spent a week on the Tarmac. The biggest difference between the two bikes in my size was the longer head tube (6mm longer) on the Tarmac SL3 (though 1cm shorter on the SL4).
As you continue to examine the geometry of the R3, the similarities to the Tarmac continue. The R3 is made in six sizes, just like the Tarmac. The top tube lengths are within a half centimeter of the nearest size of the Tarmac.
The head tube length is long enough to fit racers and recreational riders alike and the graphics tie the fork to the frame nicely.
The point here isn't to say, "See, the Tarmac is a great bike, so the R3 is a great bike." Rather, if you've been interested in an R3 and haven't been able to ride one, because the geometries are so similar, a ride on a Tarmac will give you a feel for both the sizing and handling of an R3. Honest to blob, I've never switched between two bikes so seamlessly. It's enough to make me think there's industrial espionage going on between the two companies. Okay, not really.
Cervelo lists the sizes for the R3 as 48, 51, 54, 56, 58 and 61cm. The jumps in top tube length run mostly 15 or 16mm. The biggest jump is the 17mm spread from the 53.1cm top tube on the 51cm frame and the 54.8cm top tube on the 54cm frame. I'm in the camp that believes very few people really need a custom frame and while I love custom stuff, frames as advanced as the R3 simply aren't available in custom, are they?
Each size of the R3 features a 73-degree seat tube angle and 40.5cm chainstays. I'm sorry, but using one mold for the rear end of every frame strikes me as a bit lazy. I am suspicious that this approach could cause some problems for riders who might be considering the 48 or the 61.
When I was in high school and really sucking at math, my parents hired a tutor for me; he taught me a lesson that helped me pass Algebra II and remains useful today. I'm more grateful for the latter than the former. He taught me that once I thought I had the solution to a problem to plug in some huge variables and the answer should pass the sniff test if I had the equation right. If it was wrong, it would look wrong right away. I've found it's much the same way with bikes.
There really is something to these tiny stays.
After spending more than a month on the R3 I had an opportunity to get on a friend's SLC-SL for a ride around the block. His was a 56, so it was a bit smaller, but it was the perfect opportunity to remind me just how stiff the rear end of a carbon fiber bike can be. The rear end of the SLC-SL was the ridiculous variable that illustrated the point.
I've been on a mechanical bull and that was a good deal gentler (and funnier) than the SLC-SL. Look, I know that experienced cyclists are exceedingly skeptical of the "torsionally stiff, vertically compliant" claim that is as standard equipment to the bike review as the water bottle cage is to the bike. That said, those crazy small seatstays on the R3 have a distinct effect on the bike's ride.
I'm aware that if I write that those stays absorb shock two things happen. First, I've said something that simply isn't accurate. Second, you head for rec.bicycles.gassbag to flame me for saying something so stupid. But the simple fact is, riding an R3 isn't like riding some other bikes out there. Lacking a better, more objective term, I'm going with "gentler."
I'm not sure I see the need for an asymmetric frame design to achieve stiffness. If it was the only way to get there, wouldn't everyone do it?
Okay, so I should mention BB Right and the Rotor Crank used with the frame. I was suspicious that I'd notice the odd Q-factor, but I didn't. I flat-out don't like the asymmetrical design, but that's a bias, nothing more, nothing less. It's like looking at a slug. It gives me the creeps, but for no truly objective reason. I don't like that you are limited in your choice of cranks, but this was a 15-lb. bike, so it's not like I can complain that the Rotor crank turned a vesper into brick. I've encountered riders with short-ish legs who have Q-factor issues if their feet move too far apart. I wonder if this could be a problem for some riders, but as for me and my 32-inch inseam, I didn't have a single issue. I didn't notice a thing as I was riding. Guess I need to shut up about that.
Perhaps a bit more worth discussing is the fact that Cervelo just entered a financing arrangement with Pon Holdings BV. Pon is a gigantic Dutch conglomerate with some 11,000 employees and owns Derby Cycle, which includes Raleigh, Univega and Kalkhoff brands. The financing came with a string—should Cervelo ever sell, Pon has an exclusive option to purchase the company. It's basically a right of first-refusal. It's possible this is fallout from the drain the Cervelo Test Team put on the company. Or it could be an infusion of horsepower that could transform the company for the better. Time will definitely tell.
Here's what amazes me. Whenever I talk to Phil White at Cervelo (all five times), he wants to talk about the company's aero designs. I really can't get him to show any excitement about the R3. WTF? One could be forgiven for getting the impression that the company is less than bullish on anything non-aero. It's strange. The R3 is better than most of the bikes I've ever ridden.
And that, dear reader, is why I keep reviewing bikes. The chance to get on a new bike and be surprised, to be enchanted, to feel that holy whoosh and be transported back to when I was six and tearing down the sidewalk with no assistance, that, that right there, that opportunity to make cycling fresh is why a new bike is a legitimate purchase.
Cervelo R3, Part I
The world changed when the bike industry moved to carbon fiber for fabricating most high-end bicycle frames. The shifts were myriad. Many of the bigger companies began employing engineers for the first time ever. Most of the bigger companies either started producing what was effectively their own tubing for the first time or had someone else produce tubing for them, to their spec. The way marketing materials were written changed as they sought to attempt to both hide what materials they used even as they tried to pitch the objective advantage their materials offered the buyer.
It was a helluva change.
Think back. For those of you who went through a steel frame or three before buying a first carbon fiber frame, you'll recall that bike companies, as well as small framebuilders, all touted just whose tubing they used. So much so, they put a sticker on the seat tube announcing just what they used. It was anything other than a secret.
How companies like Trek, Specialized, Felt, Zipp and others deal with their materials is very different. They effectively create their own alloy by buying carbon fiber from different mills and blending it within their frames as they see fit. To make matters worse, when you try to talk to the folks charged with media relations, one will talk about sourcing from Toray (one of the big mills), while another will talk about modulus and tell you the source doesn't matter, while another will say modulus doesn't matter, compaction and resin are the issues. It's maddening.
The R3′s tiny seatstays play a big roll in the bike's ride quality; it's a design feature that has been widely copied.
Without the benefit of that tubing sticker, bike companies go to great lengths to check out the work of their competitors. They have two primary tools at their disposal. The first is the saw. They will cut frames apart to see what's inside. They can get a look at exactly what fibers are being used. The other method involves baking. A frame can be put in an oven and baked apart; all you have to do is exceed the resin's cure temperature. What it yields is a bunch of sheets of carbon fiber. You can see the exact shape and position of ever sheet used. Unfortunately, this method of investigation comes with a downside. You can't tell what any of the sheets of fiber were; there's no telling if they were intermediate modulus, high modulus or ultra-high modulus.
I've long admired Cervelo's work, even if I have found some of their designs less than attractive, or comfortable. The SLC-SL remains one of the most unpleasant to ride bikes I've ever swung a leg over. But with a pair of Zipps, it was a very fast bike. I found myself constantly scrubbing speed inside the group. What was more impressive about the bike was its torsional stiffness. The bike, despite its aerodynamic-profile tubes, didn't twist to any appreciable degree. I've been on many similarly shaped frames that would twist under a hard acceleration even while firmly ensconced in the saddle.
What elevated my regard for Cervelo's work a few years ago came not from anything their PR people told me, not from a big win aboard one of their bikes and certainly not from some bike magazine review. An engineer for one of their competitors had baked apart a frame and told me of the sophisticated layup they were using. That there were places where he'd have loved to know what fiber they were using to achieve the stiffness and strength they managed at the bottom bracket. The frame was too light, too stiff and too strong to make the answer easy or obvious.
Cervelo touts its "squoval" tubing shape, which is a cross between oval and square which they say is better able to withstand twisting forces.
This guy was unimpressed with some of the work he was seeing from the big three. He talked about how you'd see stacks of fiber maybe five or 10 sheets thick grabbed and placed. Maybe with decent care, maybe not. In his view it was the downside of having to achieve the production numbers they needed. He said with Cervelo you could tell that each sheet was placed individually. You can't make frames as quickly that way, he told me. But they break less often and usually offer the rider better quality and improved stiffness because the sheets are perfectly oriented for their intended role.
The conversation (actually, I've had a similar conversation with two other engineers not employed by the Canadians) made me sit up and take note of Cervelo in a fresh way. It also gave me a new perspective on my previous experience with the SLC-SL. Maybe some of that incredible stiffness was due to great care. Huh.
Since then, I've ridden every Cervelo I can get my hands on. I've had a day on the S5 (I wrote about that here) and a couple of days on the old R3 SL. This spring Cervelo sent me the new R3. I rode it through the spring, summer and into the fall.
I didn't want to send it back.
Tomorrow: Part II
Cervelo S5 First Ride
The last few weeks have been crazy enough that I've got a few different bike posts I'd planned to have up before Interbike that, well, I'm just now getting around to.
To some degree these are going to go up in reverse order of how the events have actually taken place. First up is the Cervelo S5; it will be followed (shortly) with reviews of the Focus Izalco Pro and Cervelo R3.
The S5 reviewette (new word, you heard it here first) came about as a result of Mark Reidy of True Communications. Mark is handling some endemic media duties for Cervelo and had the bright idea to get a bunch of S5s in different sizes and then host a bunch of writers to an afternoon ride in the canyons of Malibu.
Why more PR/marketing types don't do this is an absolute wonder. If they did more of this, we'd be less inclined to call them hacks.
We met at the Starbucks that practically sits in the shadow of Pepperdine University (also known as the site of Landis' Last Stand). Sit here for an hour and you'll see someone paparazzi-worth. I've seen Pamela Anderson, Tony Danza, a Brolin, and scores of minor celebs whose faces I recognized but whose roles were as lost to me as the name of my kindergarten teacher.
In the interest of full disclosure, Mark reminded us to bring our pedals no less than three times. Remember them I did. The shoes? Uh, a cat attempting to escape short-circuited me and I left the shoes behind. That's not really the disclosure bit; this is: I did the whole ride in Vans and pushing giant downhill-style platform pedals.
The loop we chose had plenty of climbing. They were roads I know well and even though the shoes were wrong, I could tell plenty about the bike from the bar and saddle. The short answer is that I was surprised by my experience.
I've spoken with Phil White on a couple of occasions about his company's designs. When last we spoke the S5 wasn't yet out, but the S3 was. I'd told him about my review of the SLC-SL, which was the single most unpleasant-riding carbon fiber bike I've encountered. I could have more fun in front of a firing squad. White was adamant that the S3 would be a different experience. In riding the S5, I rather skipped a generation of development.
Latigo Canyon Road is a 12k climb and a fair bit of the asphalt is less than perfect. I know how my own bikes feel there. The only detail the S5 shares with the SLC-SL is that both are rather aerodynamic. Where the SLC-SL makes rough road feel like pavé, the S5 leaves it at rough. I've ridden other non-aero carbon fiber bikes that were less forgiving.
It was apparent in talking to him that White really favored Cervelo's aero designs over its popular R-series. Honestly, I think they'd discontinue the R bikes if it wouldn't hurt their sales. It's an impression Mark backed up. He told me they don't understand why someone would choose an R over an S.
Part of this has to do with what they understand about aerodynamics versus what most of us don't understand about it. I've been told by several engineers and product managers that all the significant gains in bike design in the future will be in aerodynamics. The only way to make a bike significantly faster will be to make it more aerodynamic.
My response to the assertion that I should go with an aero road bike has been my regard for my undercarriage. I like it. I want to keep it. I want to avoid unnecessary scar tissue in my nether regions.
Is the S5 as comfortable as an R3? That seems to be the $64,000 question. The short answer is no. It's not as comfortable. But it's not the Muy Thai beating that I've come to expect either.
That minor loss of comfort was the most apparent difference to the R3 I've been riding. It's difficult to try to quantify the aerodynamic gains; I'd have an easier time getting a feel for that on group rides. Time spent at the front of a group ride is where I get my best feedback on aerodynamics.
The crisp handling I've come to revere in the R3 was present in the S5. I was afraid it might not handle well on descents, but given that I did 45 mph coming down Decker Canyon in Vans, I'm going to suggest is indication that I was comfortable with the bike's handling. I've gone faster, but never in sneakers.
You know what I'd really love to try? Either the R3 or the S5 in nude finishes—just decals, no paint. The liveliest carbon fiber frames I've ridden feature no paint. That's for another post, though.
The aero road bike was a screwy idea five years ago. It was still bleeding edge two years ago. Today, I think the idea has come of age. There's still a weight/torsional stiffness penalty with these bikes, but they are so much better than they used to be bikes like the S5 really don't deserve to be compared to creations like the SLC-SL.
I've got to give White and his partner Gerard Vroomen credit. They have really taken a stand on aerodynamics. The aero road bike is something of a mission for them. They really don't care what you think; they believe you'll be faster on an aero bike, and from all appearances, they care more about your speed than your opinion.


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What are the signs and symptoms of palpitations?
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Palpitations describe an irregularity of the heartbeat as felt by the patient. They may be felt as an isolated skipped beat or they may be frequent and recurrent. Palpitations may also be rapid and either regular or irregular. This may lead to the patient describing a fluttering in their chest. Patients may also complain of fullness in their chest or throat. There may also be associated shortness of breath, nausea, and sweating. If the heart rate is very fast, the patient's blood pressure may fall causing lightheadedness and the sensation that they might pass out. Syncope, where the patient actually does faint or pass out, may occur depending upon the cause of palpitations. How are palpitations diagnosed?Palpitations may be difficult to diagnose, since often the symptoms are intermittent and may not be present when the patient presents for care. As with most medical conditions, the key to making the diagnosis lies in the history and physical examination. The health care professional may ask questions to understand the sensation felt by the patient:
Physical examination will often concentrate on the heart and lungs, but may also focus on other organ systems if it is appropriate. Blood tests may be helpful to look for underlying medical conditions that may cause palpitations. These may include a complete blood count (CBC) or hemogram looking for anemia (low red blood cell count), electrolytes, kidney, and thyroid function. Often the patient does not present when the palpitations are present but an electrocardiogram (EKG) may still be helpful in looking for indirect evidence as to the potential cause. A heart monitor may be useful because some patients are unaware that they have PACs or PVCs and this may help make the diagnosis. It may be frustrating for the patient to present to the health care professional or emergency department complaining of palpitations, only to find that they have stopped by the time they are evaluated. Unless there is concern about a life-threatening situation, most patients with palpitations are evaluated as outpatients. There are a variety of heart monitors that can be worn for days or months at a time that can record and even notify the health care professional if a significant heart rhythm abnormality is detected. In certain circumstances, the heart rhythm might be evaluated by electrophysiological studies, where the electrical system of the heart is mapped out. The process is similar to a heart catheterization, but the catheter enters a vein instead of an artery. The long catheter and electrode is guided into the heart and used to evaluate the electrical pathways inside the heart muscle. In addition to being diagnostic, sometimes short circuits may be found and treated by ablation or destroying the abnormal circuit. Wolff-Parkinson-White syndrome is often treated in this way. Medically Reviewed by a Doctor on 10/23/2013 Patient CommentsViewers share their comments
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Want to meet local farmers AND taste some fantastic local food? We're celebrating our local producers and artisans and serving local beer and wine! They'll be telling you their story and sampling their food. You can also enter our Pie Eating Competition for a chance to win $50 in FREE groceries! You can get more involved by meeting local organic gardeners & Slow Food Indy. You can also pick up a copy of Home Grown Indiana and meet the author, Scott Hutcheson. Bring the whole family to Local Fest!
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It appears that the St. Louis Blues will be without defenceman Erik Johnson longer than expected as the team announced the blue liner suffered a tear of both his ACL and MCL.
While the team is saying their standout sophmore will be sidelined indefinitely, sources tell TSN that Johnson could miss the entire season.
"In our business you get a few curveballs," team president John Davidson said Tuesday night before St. Louis played Dallas in a pre-season game. "This is a pretty good curveball."
Johnson suffered the injury while attempting to stop his golf cart to step out and hit his next shot. The 20-year old jammed his right foot between the accelerator and brake and felt a painful tweak in his right knee.
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this is just like Micro$ofts own PCs. they dont run Windows, they run Unix.
why so serious?? its just computers os, i have both running in my pc. i dont see whats a big deal about "mac rules!!!!" and "windows owned!!!", its just marketing punch out between two company, why u people has to be so "FANBOY"
THIS IS THE PERFECT PROOF THAT NO ONE, AND I MEAN "NO ONE"You can't compare a Range Rover to an Explorer. Range Rover is just an amazing piece of engineering, British btw , we Brits can do something, whilst an Explorer is just crap. It's the way they do it makes them good.
Ferrari is a supercar whilst an R32 isn't. The way it's designed is what makes it like that. A stock Ferrari will smoke a stock R32.
this is the second person to flame zurie for his/her post.
when what they were saying was actually making fun of the geniuses that compare anything to anything.
pay attention, and read before you post people!by: zurie
anyone can take the most complex things and break them down to the simplest similarities.. hmm 4 wheels, check, steering wheel, check, runs on gas, check.. guess its the same?
these threads have been getting into the double digit page counts all for useless cowpoop posts!
I run tons of PC only audio system control software on my Mac. VMWare Fusion does a great job at it. AND, if XP crashes and burns, which it does occasionally, I don't loose my sound fx playback on the Mac side via QLab. Best of both worlds really, with a Mac. It certainly does come down to preference, but since I switched many years ago, I wouldn't think of buying a PC.
I'm a PC, and I don't care.
You mean what laptop does the conference use for their presentations. At things like this which have multiple speakers they set up a computer with the projector and sound system, then the speakers just open their powerpoint file and hit play. If everyone had to set up their own laptop it would take friggin forever.a friend sent me this link a few months back. pic was taken with an iphone. so i guess THIS is part of their "workflow" as well. pwned. again. here's the link: What laptop does Steve Ballmer use for his presentations? Right... on Flickr - Photo Sharing!
you Mac fanboys are too much.
They have lots of Macs at Microsoft. They always have.
Who cares? Mac/PC. I have both. They both do the job. I think its funny how people "think they are better" than other people because they use a Mac. I'm sure Bill has many macs, and Jobs has no PC's. So what, if Apple truly wants to take over they would drop their price drastically, and you know why they don't? Its not because they want to be "exclusive." They know they can't run the world like the PC does.
um.. i thought it was news
so thanks!
im a PC, my GF is a Mac, my whole family is a PC, some of my friends are PCs, the rest are cavemen. My cat AND dog are PC's, my C***K is a huge PC
im a PC, my GF is a Mac, my whole family is a PC, some of my friends are PCs, the rest are cavemen. My cat AND dog are PC's, my C***K is a huge PC
Majority rules
I have both so i guess i'm a Macindow or Windacintosh!! lol
You guys feel free to be what everyou want, but last time I checked, I'm a HUMAN being.
You are obsolete.
I'm A Pc and a hackintosh, but Pc primarily
This is sort of funny, but there is some amount of ignorance in this humor. Do you really think that Microsoft has a "movie studio" setup that they make ads with? The answer is no... They contract someone to do it for them (which sounds like a cop-out, but is in honest answer and is the answer they gave). Embarrassing, yes. Are they going to restrict the machines used by their people? No... that would be pompous and conceited of them. Would Apple pull this move? I'll leave that one for you to figure out!
And to those saying that macs are better for graphic and web design, arguing against it is just not a battle worth taking. Hell, if you want me to say it, they ARE better. But they aren't so much better that PC is unusable in every way aforementioned. Personally, it has nothing to do with MS thinking that macs are better... the people they paid to make the ad do, however, and this is fine.
Let's just quit being fanboys and stop warring about "which is better" and agree to disagree. Instead ask "which is better for me?" I HAVE a Mac and a handful of PCs. For me, nothing beats the amount of software, hardware, and games you can get for PCs. What is best for me? PC What is best for you? Find out for yourself. It's fun!
Yje price thing is actually more because they don;t allow companies like AOL and all those other crap trial softwares to advertise on their preloaded OS...Who cares? Mac/PC. I have both. They both do the job. I think its funny how people "think they are better" than other people because they use a Mac. I'm sure Bill has many macs, and Jobs has no PC's. So what, if Apple truly wants to take over they would drop their price drastically, and you know why they don't? Its not because they want to be "exclusive." They know they can't run the world like the PC does.
Funny that, since I'm one of those designing the technology thats going to replace the current and almost obsolete technology that runs your PCs and Macs and just about every other electronic device you know of right now.
Maybe I'll take the day off work tomorrow and it'll design it self.
haha thats just windows shooting themselves in the foot, inadvertently admitting mac is so much better for graphic/website design. macs are inherently better computers. the dock is infinitely more useful than a basic desktop, they came up with the idea for the finder, and widgets. the settings on a mac are extremely easy to use and there are no confusing menu's to get lost in when trying to change a setting. being able to hide windows, show all current windows, and quickly access the desktop without minimizing is a godsend. not to mention, there are never any popups insisting you must approve every program's permission to access the internet. macs are easier to use, and because leopard isn't sold to companies like dell, hp, etc. they are much better built computers. you get what you pay for with a mac. a pc is a ticking time bomb of inefficiency.
what you said is garbage. with the exception of what you said about finder. everything is garbage. if the vista menus arent simple enough for you then something's wrong with you. and you dont have to minimize anything to access the desktop. what os were YOU using? lol
anyways, im not a PC fanboy or anything, because i secretly want a mac , but the points you brought up are neither here nor there and dont make a good argument.
little late on this news
Since when is anything anyone has said in this thread -with the exception of a couple moderators and mildly intelligent individuals- really been a 'good argument'?


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I would like to paint the inside of my front entrance door to our condo a dark brown/black color (BM Bittersweet Chocolate #2114-10) and then install mirrors on both doors. I have seen this done and like the look to brighten and enlarge the entrance.
What size would you recommend I make the mirrors? The doors are each 30". I was thinking that likely 5 – 6 " border all around would be enough of the dark color, so that would make a mirror of 18 – 20" wide.
What do you think? Should I bevel the mirrors? I appreciate your help.
I have included a picture of the doors.
Thanks for your help.
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I think you have already plenty of mirrors there and i wouldn't put them on the doors, if you need a seating place, you can replace the the sideboard with the bench and take away the chair.
Here are a couple of other ideas.
i love your tiles.
You could also think of wallpaper on the doors and or in the entry space :
I like the chest of drawers in the entry especially for storage but in this case I think the best choice would be a combo of drawers and a bench peice of furniture. Similar to a writing desk where you give up some space in order to slide a chair - I think that would be most practical.
Now for the entry doors - I am tossing the idea around of keeping the existing doors but fancy them up. Why not have someone apply some wood work with pieces of mirror to create a set of mirrored French doors.
I think that idea would look grand and incorporate some mirror. I don't know if that could be done.
instead of the traditional row of squares mirrored planes you could do the swirly curved wood design with mirror.
You often see dining room sideboards or chests with that look. I know I have seen pics here of it.:)
ok I found the pics from older threads here as follows:
Inspirational door design ideas to ponder:
I have to say that I agree with Mrs. Fancy. I think it may be too much of a good thing.
what are those mirros on the left side - is it your mirrored closet doors?
if yes, then i think you have already plenty of mirrors there and i wouldn't put them on the doors,
if you need a seating place, you can replace the the sidbeoard with the bench and take away the chair.
If you decide to do it beveled edges are the classiest ways to go and maybe consider them in a bronze tint. Clear works too but the smoked grey might make it too dark.
On question for you though - are doors a part of the common elements? If so you might have to get permission.
Maybe a small bench so you have somewhere to throw your purse when putting on your shoes/boots.
Call me old fashioned but I really like mirrored doors.
I like your idea in theory but not sure I would do it, I would be afraid of smashing something up against the mirror or something.
I think your sizing sounds about right, I prefer the look of beveled but I think it's a personal preference thing.
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