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My basic demand as to accomodations in Venice is that they have a well-equipped kitchen: I love to cook some meals on my own (since restaurants in Venice are most often more expensive than good, but the markets of Venice are splendid). Thus, I only book apartments, never a hotel room.
And there is (as seasoned Fodorites know all too well) one apartment that I prefer to any other, and I've recommended it often on Fodor's: the Rosa di Venezia (www.rosadivenezia.com). Other than having the well-equipped kitchen that I require, it boasts extraordinarily beautiful and tasteful furnishing and decoration (IMO, at least), and a tiny balcony with a stunning, terrific, splendid, unforgettable view on the small canal where it is located – actually, even a canal crossing. Btw, the Bridge of Sighs is on that very same canal, so the apartment is just around the corner (ok, two corners) from Piazza San Marco – even with many tourists, you wouldn't have to walk more than two minutes, and yet, the tourist crowds won't follow you to the apartment: they simply never turn around the (second) corner! It's the owners' own holiday apartment (they're not Italian, but Austrian), and they'll urge you to treat everything with respect (honestly, I'd do the same – they have some antique pieces of furniture in the apartment). The price of 160 Euros per night (and less for longer stays) seems more than reasonable to me.
If this apartment doesn't meet your taste or requirements, or if it is unavailable (as it happens to me, from time to time), try www.ladolcevitarentals.com for well-maintained budget accomodations; or www.vaporettovenice.com for some beautiful, but very pricey, apartments with excellent customers' service (I don't understand the prices they're giving on their website – maybe they're per person, or just valid from January 10th to 31st, at least, I've paid much more than they're indicating).
Please note: This thread is not primarily meant for discussion… it's primarily meant for substituting myself while work won't permit regular posting during the next six or so months. I'll try to check once a week, however, so if anyone would like me to answer any questions related to accomodation in Venice, please post them here – I won't unfortunately be able to browse all the other threads…
Franco's favourite ... Venetian accomodation
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Hotel Antiche Figure is number one in tripadvisor. But it seems to be far from the main attractions. Is it worth it to stay there?
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zizz - I don't know that hotel, but certainly it's far from the main sights, and I would never stay there (even if I'd stay in hotels in Venice, which I don't, as you'll have noted above): first, it's in one of the least attractive quarters of Venice, to put it friendly - in fact, this is a tourist rip-off quarter, cheap atmosphere, and the most horrible restaurants of Venice around you. Second, the view from that hotel is on the Canal Grande, ok, but - it's opposite the train station!, so what do you see from your Canal Grande window? The train station... and though it is true that no other train station boasts a view like Venezia-Santa Lucia when coming out on the Canal Grande, this is of course only true because the train station itself is in your back: the station is as ugly as any other anywhere. Thus, wonderful as this hotel may be (and I repeat, I don't know it), I wouldn't consider staying there.
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I posted this on your other thread too.
sorry I didnt see this one.
do you know anything about the ca foscari apts. or that area in Venice?
Thank you so much for your time.
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JandaO - I don't know these apartment; I've seen it on the web (I hope it's the same you're talking about), and I must say the furnishing doesn't attract (rather, on the contrary), and the apartment seems fairly dark (in Venice, it's so difficult to find an apartment or a hotel room, or a flat, for those who live there, full of light and sun - consequence of the narrow, winding medieval lanes!).
But the quarter around the Ca' Foscari university is certainly nice, casual, and (for the quiet Dorsoduro residential sestiere) lively. -
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Hi Franco,
Thanks so much for taking the time to put your thoughts here. I'm wondering if you have an opinion on the neighborhood that we will be staying in during our visit in September.
Oltre il giardino - CasaiFrari
Fondamenta Contarini
San Polo 2542 - 30125 - Venezia
The hotel is pretty new and a bit far away from all the main attractions. We thought it would be nice to see another area and be in some place quiet. Thanks for any insight you can share, including restaurants and hidden things to do or see in the neighborhood.
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iwannago - this hotel (no need to stress that I don't know it!) is in an enviable, wonderful location! - very good choice! It's not so far from some of the main attractions: the Frari church is just around the corner (to the left), and the Scuola Grande di S. Rocco just around the corner from there; and if you turn right instead of left, it's two steps to Campo S. Stin, one of the nicest little squares of Venice!
Please: even if the hotel offers a breakfast, and even if it's included in the price, and if you've already paid it: skip it! Take your breakfast on Campo S. Stin, you'll love it. There is a very nice coffee bar there - have breakfast with the locals! -
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wannago - this hotel (no need to stress that I don't know it!)
Franco, dude, you gotta be kiddin' me...it's like, you're the ONLY one who knows Venezia, is that it? (smile)
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hello ek, yes, I'm back, but just for this weekend - a short downtime before the second phase of my work project starts. From tomorrow on, I'll return to most irregular posting...
Spygirl - no, I'm not the only one who knows Venice, not at all. It just seems that nobody currently posting on Fodor's has spent as much time there as I have - minimum six, rather eight months over the last 16 years (all my visits summed up). This thread is not named "The accomodations of Venice" but "Franco's favourite Venetian accomodation", and its third sentence reads "I only book apartments, never a hotel room", so I thought it would be no big surprise that I don't know the vast majority of hotels. At least, it was clear for iwannago, since s/he asked me about the neighbourhood, and I hope I've been able to give a satisfactory answer to that question. If you don't agree on the coffee bar on Campo S. Stin, just write "IMO, the coffee they're brewing is abominable", or something like that. But in fact, there are some people who trust my Venice knowledge to the degree of asking me questions - sorry if this is a problem for you, but remember, nobody is being forced to; if they want to ask you instead, they easily can, especially if you open your own thread; name it, for example, "Spygirl may be somewhat impolite, but she welcomes your questions on Venice", but please don't waste your and our time accosting other Fodorites.
iwannago, one more hint - don't miss the Scuola Grande di S. Giovanni Evangelista, it's pretty near to your hotel, and it's one of the most wonderful examples of early Renaissance in Venice. As far as eating out, Capitan Uncino on Campo S. Giacomo dall'Orio (my favourite Venice square) is not far away - see my "Venetian food" thread, the link is in this thread, further above. -
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I am still LOL...you have a wonderful way with words...THAT was a perfect response....! -
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Franco - wow, many thanks, that's just the kind of intel I needed to feel great about my choice. I'll be sure to take breakfast in Campo S. Stin! I can't wait to check your recommendations out. Thanks again, and good luck on your project.
Spygirl: Thanks for weighing in, but a couple of thoughts... I did ask for Franco's input and s/he was nice enough to take the time to share some terrific experience. That's what makes this site such a huge help for people like me. Second, your comment added absolutely no value to my trip planning chores and ya know, Mom always taught me, if you can't say something nice it's just best to keep it to yourself. -
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Wow, Franco! I am having fun planning a trip to Italy with my daughter and her family. Probably Rome, Umbria, and Venice. Thanks for all the great apartment links.
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Wow, you offer somuch great info. Thanks. We are in Venice for a few days and on a budget. I was wondering if you were familiar with either HOtel Bernardi or Hotel Dalla Mora and had any feedback to offer on either interms of their location to sights and both train and airport, and if they are a good value. Thanks again!
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I guess I should add that it is our first real trip here otherwise from a quick day trip 12 years ago, so we are eager for all the great info we get on this site.
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Honeybear - I'm sorry, but as I keep telling everybody, I'm not familiar with most Venetian hotels, since I'm always booking apartments... As far as prices, both hotels seem rather good value; as far as location, both are in nice areas, but the dalla Mora is quite inconveniently located - this is one of the few corners of Venice from where really EVERYTHING is far away (except for the parking lots and train station, but who cares for parking lots and train stations?). I'd prefer the Bernardi for that matter, though you must not believe what they're advertising "two steps from St. Mark's square" - this is of course a bold lie, rather, it's a fifteen minutes rush walk, or 40 minutes if you take the vaporetto.
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Thank you for that info, as it makes my decision easy. We do not mind walking 15 or 20 minutes, just looking at everything. I understand that is the charm of Venice anyway and as I am a photographer, I love taking pictures everywhere!. Unless you or anyone would recommend another area to stay in? I really appreciate your taking the time to respond, and your posts have been incredible!
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As some of you may have noticed, I'm back on Fodor's - but since these "favourite" threads have proved quite practicable, I invite everybody to continue posting questions here related to the subject of this thread.
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As you seem to know the Venetian neighborhoods quite well, do you have any apartment and/or neighborhood recommendations for a younger couple staying 3 nights?
We're not immune to noise, but can probably tolerate a little more than the more 'veteran' travelers. We are able and happy to walk 15+ minutes to get to the sights, but would love to have something nearby for breakfast (your comments about Campo S. Stin sounded promising).
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tjriv - frankly, the problem is (I've read your other thread as well) your budget. For 100 Euros per night, you'll be happy to find ANYTHING, but won't be able to even think of choosing between neighbourhoods...
If you could increase your Venice budget by about 50 percent, that would be much easier for you.
If so, you might even find an apartment with a canal view - for me, that's really important, since the water is the most stunning particularity of Venice. Especially since you're saying you are tolerant to some noise: what most people don't seem to understand is that Venice is NOT a museum, but a rather vivid town with building contractors, garbage collection, transport companies - all of them using the canals (what else? there are no cars, and most lanes are way to narrow for any kind of transportation). So canal views inevitably mean some motor noise... I stress: SOME - Venice is still an extremely silent city, even on the canals, given the total absence of cars. Just on the Canal Grande (with the most splendid canal views, no doubt) the noise level can come close to a modern motorized city, the vaporettos being pretty loud.
As for neighbourhoods, it's more difficult to determine where to stay in Venice than in modern cities: the atmosphere can change around every second corner, and not just between the "sestrieri" like S. Marco, Castello and so on. All in all, S. Marco, Dorsoduro and S. Croce are certainly less beautiful than the three other quarters, but already writing this sentence is wrong again: also these three have so very enchanting parts, and of course great sights as well - and even my favourite apartment (see above) is located in S. Marco.
Maybe it's easier if you research a few accomodations that are specifically interesting for you re: price, amenities, furnishing and so on - and repost with weblinks in order to ask me about their locations? -
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Franco-many thanks.
As I replied on my other post, I'm quickly realizing that the many hotels/apartments I've searched so far online and through other posts on Fodor's weren't all just the more expensive ones--they seem to be more the standard. I was just wondering if there were less-known or not as internet-savvy places that were less expensive. Alas, I'm gathering that's not really the case. (Especially in late June, when we'll be there).
However, Venice can definitely be the spot on our trip that we 'extend' our budget. With my new (more realistic) monetary expectations in hand, I'll do some more searching and find some places that appeal to me--and then return for your much appreciated neighborhood insight. Thanks!
P.S. I'm truly looking forward to experiencing this interesting juxtaposition of construction noise vs. medieval buildings, engine-driven vaporettos vs. human-powered gondolas, and tourist-central days vs. silent nights. You're making it difficult for me to wait the next seven months... -
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We will be leaving in March for Venice and love the location of the Rosa Di Venezia that Fraco recommended but are the tipical tourist type and don't need an apartment. Can you recommend a hotel near the same location. The balcony was a great extra. Any help would be appreciated.
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Hello Jody, there are four hotels around La Rosa di Venezia: two four-star places, Colombina and Donà; one middle-class, All'Angelo; and one inexpensive, Riva. The All'Angelo is away from the canal, the three others have windows on the canal, but the Colombina certainly has no balconies; about the Donà, I'm not sure, but don't think so, and the Riva has one or two rooms with a balcony.
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This is to do with Tuscany not Venice but I thought I would take my chances on this thread as well. We have 3 days to get from Florence to Venice and needed some advice on what to do. Looking for maybe a culinary class but not a school, I heard that women have them in their homes and it's very quaint. Also maybe a vineyard to tour if anyone could recommend their favorite that would be great. I haven't started any research on this yet, I thought I would start here.
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One more question, should we rent a car and drive from Florence to Venice or would it be easier to just take the bus? We will be traveling in March so do you think we will be OK without hotel reservations? We thought we would just spend the night wherever we felt like it.
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Jody, if you're interested in that Venetian area, we stayed at the Hotel Riva. We also visited the Hotel Colombina, which was very nice looking. And the Dona looked inviting, as well. Here are my notes about hotels in Venice:
"We took the vaporetto to the Rialto stop (5 EUR each; we were not charged extra for baggage). It wasn't a long walk, and my daughter followed the rather complicated map, to bring us directly to the front door of the Hotel Riva, at Ponte dell'Angelo.
We checked in and were happy to have a first floor room, since there's no elevator. Our room was in the corner, looking over the intersection of two small canals. We were pleased with this room assignment, since we had requested such a position, but were thinking we'd only have it for the second two nights, not all three nights. So we were prepared to move after our first night, but we were fortunate it turned out to be unnecessary to change rooms.
Hotel Riva is a small one-star hotel, very quaint and charming. Its lobby is welcoming, and its breakfast room is appealing, with both rooms having windows looking directly out on a little canal where gondoliers glide by every few minutes. It couldn't be a better location. The hotel is sparkling clean, with marble floors, wooden walls, and glass sconces. The bedspreads could be replaced, as they are a bit worn, but that's a very minor thing to notice, given the wonderful canal views from the hotel and its overall charm.
Our room had an amazing view of the two canals, and the bridges that cross them. Singing gondoliers would use one of the canals, especially. So, from our room, we could hear them go by, singing "Ave Maria" and other Italian favorites. I would sit on my bed, open both corner windows, and watch the activities on two different canals and bridges. Despite the nearness of the canals and the people walking over the bridges and down the little street, the noise was not bothersome to us. The double windows and shutters close tightly, and the canal and foot traffic seemed to be minimal at night.
I highly recommend the Hotel Riva. Its location and price are unbeatable. We paid for a double room, which was just 130 EUR, including an extra 10 EUR for the canal view. We actually had a triple room, with one large bed comprised of two twins pushed together, plus another twin bed in a little alcove. Breakfast is included, which is simply a hard roll and jam, but also with very nice cappuccino. It was a perfect hotel for us.
After getting settled, even though it was getting late, we walked around to get oriented in the neighborhood. We were located close to San Marco, so it was a short walk to the square, with lots of shops and restaurants along the way.
. . . We needed to use the internet one afternoon with my daughter's laptop, and found a hotel just up the canal from the Hotel Riva, the Hotel Colombina, which offers wi-fi in its lobby at a price more reasonable than the internet shops around. It was also a more pleasant place to sit for an hour, while we finished some internet business.
The Hotel Colombina is a four-star hotel, located at Calle del Remedio, Castello 4416. It looked like a very classy and pleasant hotel, in true "Venetian" style of design. The front desk personnel were very helpful in setting us up on the wi-fi, even though they knew we were not patrons of the hotel itself.
Other appealing hotels we noticed (besides the Pension Calcina mentioned above) include:
Dona Palace Hotel, four-stars, San Marco 391. www.donapalace.it. It overlooks the Rio of Palazzo Ducale, the Bridge of Sighs canal.
Hotel American, three-stars, San Vio, 628 Accademia, www.hotelamerica.com. An "antique palace", it also faces a nice little canal, the San Vio, in the Dorsuduro area, with a pleasant first floor terrace café.
Hotel Bruno, three-stars, Castello, Salizzada S. Lio 5726/A, www.hoteldabruno.com.
For a simpler choice, the Casa Rezzonico (which we had also considered for this visit, as its rates are in the range of the Hotel Riva), Dorsoduro, Fondamenta Gherardini 2813, www.casarezzonico.it. It is in a quiet, out-of-the-way location, near a small campo, close to the Accademia. It has an attractive garden area in the center, which some rooms overlook, and where breakfast buffet is served. A good budget choice."
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especially if you have luggage it will be not a good idea going to Venice without having hotel reservation. To save money also, make the hotel booking before. Going from Florence to Venice consider the train option direct to S. Lucia station then by walk or by water taxi you will reach your booked hotel.
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Does anyone have the website to Hotel Riva? I can only find them on Trip advisor. I would like to contact them directly.
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Jody, sorry, I had partly mixed up Riva and Colombina in my original answer to your original question. It's true that Riva is the cheap and Colombina the expensive hotel, but the rest had been mixed up: the Riva has no and the Colombina has some balconies (as you might expect with regard to their respective price levels).
As for Tuscany, please open a new thread on that matter - this one should be only on accomodation in Venice, thank you! -
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I took your suggestion and booked an apt via laDolcevita rentals in San Polo near Rialto bridge. Would you recommend this are for a family travelling with 2 young children?
many thanks,
madie -
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Madie - I'm afraid I don't quite get it. Recommend what? La Dolce Vita Rentals? S. Polo? Taking my suggestions? I guess I don't have my bright day today, sorry...
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so sorry - I must have picked up a earlier thread where you recommended a budget rental www.ladolcevitarentals.com for well-maintained budget apts. I booked one through them in the San Polo area - Apt Isabella "min from Rialto bridge" and wanted your opinion re location etc. Sorry for the unclear msssage.
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Thanks for your patience, madie. S. Polo is a splendid location, it's the smallest district of Venice, and I love almost all parts of it (except for the area west of S. Rocco, and perhaps for S. Boldo area). The parts near Rialto are of course a lot of fun thanks to the vicinity of the gorgeous fish & vegetable markets. And recently, the market area is lively even in the evenings thanks to a few new bars/restaurants (it always used to die out completely in the late afternoon). And yes, I confirm, La Dolce Vita is a reliable agency; I don't know this precise apartment, though.
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Franco, I'm planning a trip to Venice and have looked at your recommendation for the Rosa Di Venezia. They require that we pay the entire balance in advance and to be honest I'm nervous about that arrangement. How many times have you stayed there and have you ever had any conflicts or issues? Thank you.
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No need to worry. I've been staying there quite many times, and never had any problems apart from the usual Italian delay on behalf of the (very nice and helpful) lady who's responsible for check-ins. Generally spoken, it's common with high quality vacation rentals that they require full payment ahead - for me, it would rather be a reason to worry if they did not.
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The usual Italian delay? Does that mean she's not always prompt? That might a problem because I wouldn't want to have to wait around just to check in. I haven't booked my tix yet but I suspect I would arrive in Venice by the afternoon.
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Nobody is ever prompt in Italy. If your ticket purchase is depending on promptness, I suggest you might choose another country for your vacation, seriously... As a general rule, I start calling people whom I'm supposed to meet in Italy half an hour after the agreed time. Usually, I'm calling almost everybody on such occasions... what I'm trying to say politely is that I have rarely met Italians who did come LESS than half an hour late. So what? After all, I'm on a holiday and not on the run, and coffee bars are everywhere in Italy... and I love Italian espresso. Drink one or two, and then take an appetizer, and then she'll already be there, too.
Ah yes, one of my Italian friends is notorious for his promptitude, and he's getting very angry about his tardy fellow citizens... he is a person who uses to come just 10 to 15 minutes late; actually, I've never seen him coming exactly in time, and in other countries, people would be peeved at him for his delays... less likable countries than Italy, let me stress that, and not least less likable because of their neurotic attitude towards promptness. -
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Martite, Franco makes his point with Italian charm and veracity. Aa a North American type-A personality who has lived in Italy for some time, you will notice there IS a difference in respect to promptness and you will almost certainly have to mark time when you check in to a private establishment. Now that you are prepared for this...don't let it spoil your plans as Franco really knows his stuff re: Venice!
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thanks franco, I did read your previous thread before, and for the 3 days I want it is hard to find a reasonably priced place still available. I'm spending a lot of time searching to find the right place. I was not worried about safety, I was interested in something 'authentic' not touristy.
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Chrispet, try the Casa Rezzonico, Dorsoduro, Fondamenta Gherardini 2813, www.casarezzonico.it. It is in a quiet, out-of-the-way location, near a small campo, close to the Accademia. It has an attractive garden area in the center, which some rooms overlook, and where breakfast buffet is served. It is charming, clean, a good value, and friendly front desk.
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But Maureen - this is a hotel, right? Chrispet is looking for an apartment; s/he posted erroneously here what has been meant as an answer to another thread where we had been talking. Dorsoduro is really not a bad choice if you want to stay away from the crowds; just avoid the immediate surroundings of Peggy Guggenheim and the Accademia. Vaporettovenice (see above) has two modern, but stylish and upscale apartments on Zattere, one of which I've rented once; while this is not exactly "my" style, as you may guess from my preferred apartment, I can wholeheartedly recommend it if you love modern furnishing.
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Thanks, Franco-- I assumed for 3 nights, the poster wanted a hotel. The Casa Rezzonico is a small B&B-type hotel.
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I found apartments rented by the owners of Pension La Calcina, located at Campo S.Vio and Zattere, what do you think of that location? -
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bluepie - personally, I like Zattere more than Campo S. Vio, which is not ugly either, it's just... not as beautiful as Venice can be, at least for me. Plus it's too near to the Accademia, I think - this part of Dorsoduro is actually touristy. Zattere, on the other hand, has great Giudecca views, and is a likable neighbourhood. Dorsoduro's big con, however, to mention that, too, is that of all districts of Venice, it's perhaps the least conveniently located. You are near to nothing else but the Dorsoduro sights... and to S. Stefano, crossing the Accademia bridge, ok. But for everything else, you have to take the vaporetto, most often the no. 1 (which is, for Venetians, and even for semi-Venetians like me, a burden - we love to do as much as possible on foot... the vaporetti are sooooo slow!!).
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Sorry to jump in here, however I have tried a few times to get an answer on a thread I started without success. Perhaps I will have more success here. I found a B&B called Al Teatro that has great rates and is well reviewed on trip advisor, but I am slightly concerned about the location. It is on San Marco and I am concerned that it will be in a very touristy area. It is located across the canal from La Fenice opera house.
Franco, I know you do not know hotels, however do you know about this neighborhood? If so, are there any decent local restaurants or bacari nearby? I would prefer to stay in a place that has some pubs and restaurants nearby that do not solely cater to the tourist crowd. Granted Venice is small so we can easily walk to where some exist and the B&B is very convient to most of the tourist sites, however I usually like to stay in a place that has more of a neighborhood vibe, if that make sense?
My original preference was to be in San Polo, not far from the Rialto market, however we had a change of dates and the hotel we had originally reserved are not available during our new dates. I don't know much about Al Teatro B&B except what I've read on TA, which looks promising. I am hoping some people hear can give me some first hand information, if not about the B&B itself, then perhaps a bit about the area in which it is located. -
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ripit, no need at all to be sorry - this thread is actually meant for what you're doing here! And I'll make use of your question and try struggling against the S. Marco bashing running rampant on this forum.
Capital letters, yes... It is true that most of the intollerably touristy parts of Venice are in S. Marco. But it's also true that at least half of S. Marco is quiet, cosy, nice, without many tourists. And around the Fenice theatre, it's a noble, quiet residential neighbourhood with hardly any tourists. Of course, there are some who'd come for a Fenice guided tour, but that's it. Especially on the rear side of the opera house (where your B&B must be located - the canals are only there), you won't see many tourists. On the other hand, "vibe" is not a word that I'd associate with the Fenice... it's REALLY quiet. But it's just a few steps (hard to find, though, get yourself a good map) from Campo S. Angelo that has a very local, non-touristy vibe and is actually one of my favourite places in Venice (S. Marco, as well, do I need to stress that?).
As far as restaurants, Venice is so small, and good restaurants are so few that it isn't worth thinking about restaurants near to your hotel, wherever it is located. You WILL travel across the city to get a good meal at a decent price. As far as the Fenice neighbourhood, there actually is a good restaurant on Campo S. Angelo: Acqua Pazza - it's so HEAVILY overpriced, though, that I don't go if not on invitation by one of their patrons (who don't of course pay THAT much). For restaurant recommendations, you might want to check my Venice food thread (the link is above). -
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Franco, thank you SO MUCH! This is exactly the information I was looking for! Last time we went to Venice we stayed just east of the San Marco on the Grand Canal. It was a convenient location and though we were in a small pensione, many of the most expensive hotels in Venice were all around us. This time around I want to stay in more of a local neighborhood but near to most points of interest. It sounds like the Fenice neighborhood where our B&B is locate will fit the bill nicely. Quiet is fine with us as we will be travelling with 3 young children.
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dear franco
my fiancee and i are coming to venice in late may for only one night, thus need central accomodation. could you suggest a place. our budget is around the 150-200 euro mark. preferrably on the lower scale
thanks in advance
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dear franco
i have already posted this question to you , but am now not sure which thread i posted it on!!
so here we go again.
my partner and i are in venice for only one night and one and a half days.
i wonder if you could suggest anywhere to stay in late may.
our budget is around the 150 euro
i have a reservation with www.casanovaaitolentini.com
it is near piazzale roma, is this area convenient?
thanks in advance
lynette -
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Lynette - this is in a very, very nice area; a small area, though, the surroundings are among the most modern and hence least pleasant parts of Venice, but right around where that B&B is obviously located, it's really charming, with few tourists, and I love that neighbourhood.
BUT!!! convenient? - no, not at all. This is one of the few areas of Venice distant from more or less everything, exactly the opposite of "central", and getting to the sights that you'll want to see is rather cumbersome and time-consuming. Particularly for just one night, this area wouldn't be my first choice. I'd rather try and stay somewhere around Rialto or S. Marco. -
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dear franco
thanks for that
i will change accomodation
but to where.....
have tried quite a few that have been suggested on another thread of mine, but all booked
any suggestions greatly appreciated
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Liforday-I don't know why in the world you'd want to change accomodation in this area-it happens to be the area where there is an interesting, and very local and important Chiesa (dei Tolentini), also very near the Scuole Grande San Giovanni Evangelista, where fabulous concerts are held, great local restaurants, it's the Santa Croce/Dorsoduro area of Venice-and it is very close to Piazzale Roma vaporetto stop, as well as San Stae vaporetto stop, and near Palazzo Mocenigo, which is a Palazzo you can visit to see how the powerful Mocenigo family-who produced 7 Doges of Venice-lived in the 18th century. It's a charming area, really, with equal numbers of tourists but particularly, Venetians. Since my Venetian friends live near the Tolentini (in fact, very close to Da Fiore-the Michelin starred restaurant) I'm quite familiar with the area-and enjoy it a lot-you can walk down to Campo Santa Margarita in a little over 5 minutes-I know, I did it a number of times this past week.
I think you'd love staying in this B and B, it's not at all inaccessible, it looks charming, so is a good find on your part, particularly if it has good reviews on trip advisor. -
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Ljforday-I just took a look at the reviews of this Casanova ai Tolentini B and B on trip advisor, and it gets VERY favorable recommendations-if you read the reviews, the people who have stayed there recommend it for its convenience-you'd really be missing a very charming place to stay in the heart of authentic Venice if you took a pass on this place.
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Girlspytravel, thank you for reminding me that I had forgotten to answer Lynette's last question. Lynette - sorry.
Well, as for the location of that B&B, everything had already been said, I think. Yes, it's near to S. Nicola dei Tolentini, yes, this is a local church, no, it's not important, rather, it's plain ugly, bad late Baroque architecture (and here's a Baroque buff writing). No, that B&B is nowhere near Palazzo Mocenigo (a look on the city map would have helped a lot). Yes, it's more or less near the Scuola Grande di S. Giovanni Evangelista, but much as I love that place, I don't think any first timer to Venice with just one days and a half to spend there would want to visit it (and the same is true of Pal. Mocenigo, which is a very interesting small museum of Baroque costume and interior btw, for those who spend more time in Venice). To cut a long story short, the only major sights which this B&B is REALLY near to are the Frari church and the Scuola Grande di S. Rocco.
Ok, and now, finally, for your question, Lynette: have you already tried at the Riva and Astoria hotels? As the typical apartment renter, I've been to neither of them, but both are just a few steps from S. Marco; the Riva is has a good reputation on this forum, and the Astoria has a good reputation in Venice. -
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i have just emailed La Rosa, inquiring into October availability
My husband and I will be travelling with a female friend of ours. This apt says it accomodates 3 people - is there a separate sleeping area for the 3rd person?
We will only be there 3 nights before boarding a cruise ship...
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The third bed is in a separate room (the living room), but there's no door between the two rooms. Only today (funny coincidence), I've answered a very similar question about the three beds at the Rosa on another thread, and here's my recommendation: if your travel companion is a rather close friend, it should be excellent for the three of you (I've stayed there once in a very similar party); if this is a more distant friendship, you might feel more comfortable elsewhere.
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I think this will be fine for the three of us, it's only 3 nights and then we're on a cruise, with separate cabins.
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FYI, an e-mail I received yesterday:
From: "La Rosa di Venezia" <email@example.com>
Date: April 12, 2007 12:31:18 PM MDT
To: <Undisclosed-Recipient:;>
Subject: unexpected opportunity to visit Venice in May
Dear former guests, dear prospective visitors,
I know for sure that many of you would love to visit Venice in May (one of the most beautiful seasons, also in my opinion)... there is no other month for which we have to disappoint so many inquirers every year! That's why I thought I must let you know of this unexpected opportunity: due to TWO consecutive cancellations, we have availability for nine nights from May 8th to 17th - that makes one long or two to three short visits! Normally, such an opportunity is unimaginable, because when we have an unexpected vacancy like this in May, my wife and I go ourselves - we love Venice in May. This year, however, we can't, unfortunately - we've already booked our holiday elsewhere for that period... So hopefully, this will make one or more of you happy!
Hoping that you're all well, and with best regards
Robert Schlesinger
Please note: mails like this are being sent occasionally to our former guests and to people who have inquired with us without being able to book in the end. If you don't want to further receive these mails, please send a short notice."
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We tried to book this apt. for early october, but it was unavailable. I received a very warm correspondence from the owners, they seem like nice people. We'll try them next time.
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thanks for this information.
Franco, can you describe the Rosa di Venezia bathroom? (Would prefer bath with shower that has door or curtain) -
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annie, I thought they had a picture of the bathroom on their website, I checked it, and it is there; I don't succeed to link it, though, their website is strange in technical respect(it always jumps to the first page, never mind which url you're writing or pasting into your browser). If you enter the English version, you're on the "apartment" page by default; on the right, there's a link to a second "apartment" page; and again, on the right, a next link to a third "apartment" page, and there is a bathroom picture.
That said, the shower is in the bathtub, but there is a very unusual folding wall (similar to a shower door) that makes the bathtub become kind of a shower cabin. Confusing? Yes, but very smart, I love it. Else, it has a bidet, and the walls are in beautiful grey marble cut into astonishing, very large slabs (you couldn't call that tiles). -
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We (a group of 6) just came back from Venice. We really liked our apartment because it was slightly away from the crowds yet walkable to San Marco square. Just around the corner was a main street area where you can get fresh fruit and find good restaurants. Good luck!
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Topping since for a while, questions are coming up regularly whose answers are to be found here...
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Hi Franco.Even if you don't book hotel rooms,,what do you say about Londra Palace Hotel(4*-SLH-Riva degli Schiavoni)),Liassidi Palace Hotel(4*-SLH-Ponte dei Greci-Castello),Pallazzo Sant'Angelo(4*-SLH-San Marco)?I'm a light sleeper,so,are these hotels in a bad location?Do you suggest another 4*?Thank you for all your suggestions and patience.
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geo2007, for a light sleeper, two of them are in a truly terrible location, the Londra and the Sant'Angelo: Riva degli Schiavoni is the waterfront towards S. Marco basin, and the Sant'Angelo is on Canal Grande. That's something almost nobody seems to understand about Venice: the medieval architecture and layout notwithstanding, Venice is a modern city, with deliverers, building contractors, carriers, garbage collection, taxis - but there are no streets suitable for car traffic, so where do all those professionals drive? On the canals, in motorboats of all sizes. On the large waterways (such as S. Marco basin or Canal Grande), add public transportation, i.e. the vaporettos, really large motorboats...
What I'm trying to say is: if you want a canal view, you will have to face a certain noise level. And while I'm not a light sleeper and thus willing and able to accept SOME motor noise (my favourite apartment, above, IS on a small canal), even I would not search for an accomodation on Canal Grande (or Riva degli Schiavoni) - these are the only places in Venice where traffic noise comes close to normal modern cities, so you, as a light sleeper, should avoid them. Your third hotel is on a small canal (and it's also the only of your three that I know from passing by, it seems very beautiful), so there is far less noise - but definitely not NO noise, remind you. If you want no noise (which you can have in Venice, which is all in all of course Europe's calmest city), you have to give up on the canal view idea. -
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Hi Franco,thank you very much for your answer and explanations.If I don't care about canal view,I want a hotel near San Marco(I mean walking distance no more than 10 minutes),in the 4* or 5* category.Do you suggest any?What about Luna Baglioni in San Marco?Thanks again.
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No, I don't suggest any, since as you've said yourself, I don't book hotels in Venice, and I've never set foot in any of the hotels in question - sorry.
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Hi Franco
I'm following your advice to book thru LaDolceVita. Only 2 apartments available for my dates - Andreina in Dorsoduro and Isabella in San Polo.
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jaybee, I would definitely prefer the location of the Isabella apartment - much more centrally located, and I happen to love the Rialto market which is in the immediate surroundings. This is above all interesting if you are planning on cooking (see my Venetian food thread for recipes).
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wow - thanks for your quick reply...I'm finding arranging this trip rather stressful as I'm working with so many unknowns. Thank you so much!
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Hello Franco,
I looked at the LaDolceVita apartments and liked your recommendation to jaybee51 for Isabella apartment, however, i cannot find any reviews for this agency. Any insight? -
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Hello PlanB - well, you have my review... I don't know where to look for other reviews since I don't need any - I already know the agency. They're nice, helpful, definitely a little chaotic like it's typical for Italy, but reliable. I've dealed quite often with them, since they're also managing the check-ins and check-outs for my beloved Rosa di Venezia apartment (for which they don't handle the reservations, though), and they're also responsible for the cleaning there, which is really excellent.
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Hi Franco.I'd like to know how appartments are rated.Are there a star sistem?I want to know more.
I searched the site www.turismovenezia.it and found:room rentals,residences,holiday apartments,holiday houses and guestrooms.Where should I look for?Thank you again. -
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I tried to make a booking on the ladolcevita website but it didn't work out. The secure page came up with a certificate error, warning me that the certificate was not to be trusted and not to send any confidential data to that web site as all was not well.
I sent an email to ladolcevita but they never replied. -
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This is why trying to organise a holiday is driving me crazy....
I finally make my mind up and then it all collapses !! -
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jaybee, I think it's also important not to give yourself a hard time. As I said, they're a little chaotic - that's Italy! So they didn't renew their website's security certificate... so what? Just to submit an inquiry, you don't give them your credit card details, do you? So why care about that totally unnecessary certificate? Btw, I seem to recall they also have a telephone number on their website, right? Calling by phone is ALWAYS the better way to contact anybody in Italy; the internet is still completely strange to most Italians, and most often, they don't simply read their emails...
geo007, I know there is some kind of rating for apartments in Venice, but I've never attempted to really understand the system; all I know is that it's completely optional for the owners, which makes it less than interesting IMO. -
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But it wasn't an inquiry. They replied promptly to my email inquiries. I wanted to make an actual booking and enter my credit card details. I was not prepared to do that on an un-secure site. so I emailed tham and never heard from them again....
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Ah, I understand. That's certainly strange, but I assure you, there's nothing wrong with them...
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I suggest looking carefully into their website, asking the owners or the agency whatever you want to know, and forgetting about the rating...
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Franco, you seem to be the expert on Venice and I have appreciated the information you have provided.
My question is: for first timers in Italy and with Venice being the first destination of the trip, do you think we would be better off in a hotel with desk staff to help us? We will be there 3 nights on June 2,3,4 of 2008. We are used to traveling in "condos" in the states and the apartments you recommend look wonderful. We are only afraid of not having assistance while there.
Also, do you know of Florence apts? We are looking at Sleeping in Florence apts. sleepinginflorence.com.
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Cindywho, sorry, I'm not a big Florence expert, and can't help in that respect. As far as assistance, that's difficult to say since I don't of course know you - we all know there are anxious travelers who better had assistance everytime and everywhere. But since you say you're usually booking condos, I imagine you're not one of those, right? Venice is an extremely easy destination - millions of tourists every year, many of them first-timers of course, almost everyone in town speaking some English... this is not the Sicilian outback, in other words. But I repeat, it's difficult to advise a complete stranger on these matters, and there are certainly many, many people who'll never be happy in an apartment and should always book hotels (and there's nothing wrong with it, everyone as s/he likes and prefers!).
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Thank you. We have already contacted the Rosa di Venezia and it is available! I believe we will book it and make our way without any desk staff. Thank you for your help!
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CindyWho, I have been to Florence many times and think it is the easiest city to navigate in Italy. It is all walkable, there is excellent signage and it is not nearly as confusing as Venice and even Rome can be.
I would recommend a staffed front desk only for timid travellers, seniors who may need extra assistance or those who do not like to figure things out on their own. -
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Hello Franco,
I have narrowed down my apartment search for this one for now, the address is Cannaregio, No. 5276. The owner told me it is near the Church of Miracoli and quite near Rialto bridge (5 minutes) and Campo San Bartolomio ( 5 minutes on foot). It has good reviews from previous renters.
Please take a look at the apartment and the location:
Please comment.
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PlanB, this seems to be in Calle del Volto, anyway near Calle del Fumo. An unspoiled, hard-working, no-frills neighbourhood. I like it, cause it's so very untouristy, but don't expect lots of Venetian romanticism. Important, though, is to stress that it's by no means true what they've told you "5 minutes from Rialto"! Five minutes! Are the wings included in the rental rate? Seriously, a dove would be able to get there in five minutes, but not you. It's rather like: four minutes to S. Maria dei Miracoli, nine minutes to SS. Apostoli (if you find your way!!), fifteen minutes to S. Bortolomio, sixteen to Rialto bridge. Thirteen-fourteen at night, with no tourists blocking the lanes between SS. Apostoli and Rialto. (I won't comment on the apartment itself, since as you may guess from viewing what I'm recommending here, my taste is somewhat different. I'm almost convinced it's a dark apartment, though, like it's common in Venice with her narrow lanes. Just look at the small windows.)
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Hello Franco,
Here is another one, seems very attractive, address is Calle Ca' Bonvicini, Santa Croce 2158. It has two sites with different pictures.
As usual, my concern is if this a nice area to rent. I have noticed climbing those steps to the apartment is quite steep. From the map, it seems it is in a central area and a walkable distance from the train station as well. -
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Well, they say Calle lunga leads to the apartment, i.e. the lane to the left from Campo S. Maria Materdomini (coming from Rialto). The distances they're giving are more realistic, though from there, it is of course nearer to S. Polo than to Rialto, so it's rather 3 minutes to S. Polo and 5-6 to the Rialto market, but never mind, that's all easily walkable. S. Marco in 15 minutes, though, is like what the other apartment owners told you; I'm doing it in about 20 minutes, but if you don't know the city very well (and I mean: really well), you'll need 25 at least. The area is of course VERY nice, just what you'd expect from Venice, it's one of the most beautiful neighbourhoods in town. And the apartment has at least one room where the sun is shining in, the living room.
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We've stayed in Casa Veronica three times and would always choose to stay there when in Venice--if it is available. Your hostess--Veronica--is a lovely lady. She will meet you, show you around, and answer any questions. The apartment is very tastefully furnished and impeccably clean. There are many Venice guidebooks in the apartment--including the one recommended by Franco which we left there last spring. Walking distance to everything--a lovely neighborhood! The stairs are steep--but it is worth the climb. I'm certain that you would enjoy staying at Casa Veronica--and I will envy you!
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Hello Franco and Roamer,
Franco, thank you so much to answer my questions. I am just amazed that you can tell where the sun shines from which window!!!
And Roamer, I thank you that you roam into Franco's thread, your stay [3x] and good comments for the apartment help me make the final decision. We are going for it. -
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I forgot to mention...Casa Veronica is in between two of our favorite restaurants in Venice...La Zucca and Trattoria Antiche Carampane...a short walk to either. Enjoy your stay!
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PlanB - and "your" apartment is also just a few steps from Capitan Uncino, a restaurant that's particularly good at the very moment! See the latest update on my Venice food thread...
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Finally, I must add an update here on La Rosa di Venezia and La Dolce Vita Rentals. (La Dolce Vita, besides having their own apartments, is responsible for check-ins at La Rosa di Venezia.) More than once on this thread, I've referred to La Dolce Vita as typical Italian, i.e. a little chaotic and most often arriving with a certain delay. This is apparently no longer true. On my last visits to La Rosa di Venezia (three last year), La Dolce Vita always arrived with such unitalian promptness that I was almost shocked. Still, I wouldn't take for granted that this will always be the case, but they have definitely adopted something from their non-Italian guests.
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Hi Franco, thanks for all of your good advice, I regret I didn't read these postings before. We will be in Venice for 3 nights in May with our daughter and her husband and I thought an apt. would be fun. I booked this apt:
It looks clean and bright and has a canal view. What do you think of the neighborhood?
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Well, their website is not overly precise re: location ("just around the corner" may mean about everything in Venice), but SS. Giovanni e Paolo (Zanipolo, in Venetian) is certainly a nice neighbourhood, and very unspoiled except for the square in front of the church where there are normally quite many tourists.
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This one is a good example for what I said before: this apartment is at S. Giorgio degli Schiavoni, which is very very nice as well, but nowhere like five minutes from S. Marco. Maybe a seagull could make it...
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Regularly over the last weeks, people who wanted to contact me opened new threads and addressed me in the title, like "Franco (and others), ... question, please". I hope I've noticed all of them, but nevertheless, this is a little hazardous since I'm not such a diligent forum reader - rather the lazy type. Very often, I'm just checking the threads on which I've already posted before...
So if you want my opinion, please post your question on "my" appropriate thread (all the links are above, near the top); or, if you open a new thread for your question hoping that this way, more others might weigh in, then please post a short notice or a link to your question on "my" thread as well to prevent me from overlooking it. Thanks! -
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Franco-Do you know anything about Le Barchessse Di Villa Corner in Cavasagra di Vedelago?? My husband and I have a weeks timeshare trade there June of 09.The timeshare notes say to take a train to Venice from Castelfranco or Treviso.We were in The Dolmite area over 20 years ago and did a 1 day tripto Venice and I loved it. I am so looking forward to visiting this part of Italy again. We were in Siena-then all the way down to Otranto and back up to Rome in 2004.
Also from our timeshare would it be too much of a drive to go to Cinque Terre?? Thank you so much for your help. I know this is a long ways away but planning is part of the fun. If you have the time you can E-mail me direct at firstname.lastname@example.com Thanks again Chris -
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Hi Chris,
yes, i know i'm not Franco, but couldn't help chiming in.
are you planning on driving to the CT for a day trip????
or on leaving Venice?
if the former, forget it - it's a good day to get there, let alone get back.
if it's your next destination, you mght like to think about breaking your journey somewhere en route.
have a great trip,
regards, ann
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Hello Chris - I don't know this place, but I've searched it on the web, and it looks definitely beautiful!! Did you notice my posting on the Venetian food thread? I've added that wonderful restaurant in the Venetian countryside for you.
As far as daytripping to the Cinque Terre, annhig has already said everything - it would turn out to be nothing but a hassle.
annhig, stay tuned on the food thread! I hope to add some recipes for your Easter visit shortly.
(Well, I've been famous for leading threads off-topic... but now, I'm even doing it with my own threads. Quite alarming... ok, back to accomodation in Venice!) -
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I have booked a couple of nights at Alloggi Barbaria for our family of 4 in October , Is this in a nice neighourhood and has anyone stayed here. Had good reviews on trip advisor.
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mariebut, I've googled this place (including weblinks with questions like this one is much appreciated!)... well, as far as nice, that neighbourhood is clearly below average, for Venetian standards. Certainly it's nicer than Clichy-sous-Bois, but for Venice, it's somewhat disappointing. And convenient, no it's not, on the contrary. This is distant from almost everything (except for Zanipolo and S. Francesco della Vigna, of course), and you'll lose much time traveling on vaporettos or hiking.
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Franco, do you know anything about Hotel Abbazia? How does it compare to other hotels in terms of the price of what you're paying for?
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Please ladies, be kind and include WEBLINKS for lazy old franco, will you? Ok, venicequeen, I've googled your hotel as well... of course I don't know anything about that hotel (I'm sure you've read the very first posting on this thread). As far as money, their price comes slightly higher than what I'm paying for "my" standard apartment, which means that I for one am considering this hotel as clearly overpriced. Just imagine: the space and comfort of a whole apartment, with a complete kitchen wheree to cook my own meals (see above, once again), as compared to a single hotel room without anything, with the only advantage that someone else is making my bed, that's a no-brainer for me. But I guess I'm just not the right person to ask about hotels, particularly (see above about the food and the kitchen) in Venice.
Though you didn't ask about that hotel's location, I might add that the same is true as for mariebut's hotel (last posting) on the far end of town.
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Franco, I was just looking at the Rosa di Venezia site, and from the photos it looks to be directly across the tiny canal from the Hotel Riva. Is that correct? We stayed at the Hotel Riva one May and loved its location.
(I posted a link to your thread for another fodorite, and got curious myself about the apartment you like.)
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Loving all the insights offered here and am saving for future reference. Thanks to everyone for posting especially you, Franco.
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My family of 8 plus a baby (I know, a ton of people) are planning a trip to Venice the first week of August. I am looking at renting either the apartment Orientalis:
or apartment Rossini:
Both are in the Cannaregio district. Is this a good area? If not, what about apartment Giglio
This one is in Santa Maria del Giglio Square? We're hoping to stay 4 or 5 nights in Venice and want to take in as much as we can. Most of the family has never been to Venice. Any ideas on these apartment? Or any others you know of for 8 people? Thanks for your help!
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Dejah, the most beautiful location is certainly that of the Giglio apartment. This is one of the most elegant and beautiful parts of S. Marco, and it's also fairly convenient for sightseeing. But there are two cons: 1. in the neighbourhood, you have lots of posh restaurants, most of them tourist traps, some good, but all crazily overpriced. Normally, I keep telling everybody that Venice is small enough to eat at the far end of town, and that hiking for a good meal is inevitable, but I'm not sure if this is practicable with a baby (you can guess that I'm not an expert on babies). 2. and more important: there are loads of tourists in that area, and in August, it will be intolerable, I promise.
Cannaregio, on the other hand, is workaday Venice, "real" and likeable, but not as full of stunning sights as S. Marco. Of the two Cannaregio apartments, the Rossini (though it doesn't give precise directions) is certainly better located - not because the Ghetto neighbourhood isn't nice (oh yes, it is), but because it's rather distant from most sights - it's on the edge of the city. The Rossini seems to be located between Ca d'Oro and Fondamenta Nove (though it's of course, once again, a lie that it claims to be five minutes from each vaporetto stop - which would mean to get from one to the other in ten minutes, and that's rather unlikely for anybody, and impossible for everyone who is not intimately familiar with the layout of Venice). Anyhow, that's a good place to start from when sightseeing.
To sum it up, I would certainly prefer the Giglio apartment for a November stay. But certainly not in August. At that time, the Rossini seems like the best choice.
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Hi-Thanks for info on driving time to CT. No after our week abouve Venice we have a timeshare in Budapest. I will look on the rest.blog Franco for you rec'd. I can't beleive I'm thinking about this trip for 09 as I am going to Portugal Sept of 08-I think we travelers just think=dream & plan trips Ciao Chris
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Franco, thanks for answering my question. You are so generous to spend time answering questions here in such helpful detail. Kudos to you!
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Based on your reviews on this Board, my husband and I have been in touch with the owners of the Rosa di Venezia and are seriously considering renting it for 4 nights this September and giving up our current reservation at Locand Orseolo. Just wondered when you were last at the apartment and whether your impressions and recommendations remain the same.
Also, I would be interested in hearing from any other Fodorites who have stayed there.
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Just maybe I can catch you in time. My lady and I have won a trip to Italy. One hatch is it's next week. Would like to be in Venice for valintine and day after. Our first time abroud. If you can help?
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ASAP, sorry, maybe I'm having a slow day, but I don't quite understand how to help you. After reading this thread, what precise questions do you have on accomodation in Venice?
TO, actually, I'm trying hard to update my threads regularly - the answer to your question is in my posting of 01/09/2008, 05:35 pm here above, which was about one month after my return from my most recent stay at La Rosa di Venezia. I'm sure you will enjoy it. -
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Hi Franco,
I just want to know your opinion about this location Fondamenta Gherardini 2813, Dorsoduro.
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Helen, this is an extremely nice neighbourhood: lively, unspoiled, not touristy. As far as reaching the main sights, it involves a lot of vaporetto riding (or MUCH hiking) to most directions, but I repeat, it's certainly one of the nicest areas of Venice.
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Thank you Franco for your quick response... I'm staying in Venice for 2 nights during March. It seems like my hotel is close to vaporetto stop and near the Academia Bridge.
How can I get from that location to Piazzale Roma? Should I walk or just take a vaporetto? if so, which number?... I'm taking a flight back to Paris. -
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"Your" vaporetto stop is Ca' Rezzonico, not Accademia. You should certainly go by vaporetto, it's too far to walk from Piazzale Roma with suitcases. The only vaporetto line landing at Ca' Rezzonico is no. 1, the slow one.
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Your help is truly appreciated. I just got back to the post to see your suggestions. After planning a little more with the family we will now be going to Venice in early June instead of August. Do you think the Giglio apartment (http://www.apartments-in-venice.eu/apartment_venice/392_1/) would be okay in June? Which area of Venice do you recommend staying in in June? We will have a baby, but with 8 adults to cart him around I think we'll be okay traveling to different parts of Venice. He is walking, which helps. Thanks again! -
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Sorry Franco! Just one more question. What do you think of this apartment? http://www.venicerentals.com/apartments/apartments32.htm It's a little more pricey than the others but Venice Rentals seems like a really good agency. Apartment is in the San Marco/Castello district. Thanks again.
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I spent all last night reading through this post. It's a wealth of knowledge and I'm hoping I absorbed some of it. I'm hoping you can help. Here is my situation:
Two days ago I unexpectedly (but in a very good way) got tickets arriving in Venice on May 13th and staying for 2 nights. We have never been to Italy and because this is last minute I'm trying to research as quickly as I can. It is a bit overwhelming.
I have sent requests to as many hotels and B&B's as I can. I even sent one to your beloved apartment but they are full in May except the first 5 days. So far I have gotten two availabilities. I was hoping you could give me your input on the area for both. It sounds like there are areas that you would suggest not staying in Dorsoduro and I'm afraid atleast one of these might be in there.
Casa Rezzonico
Fondamenta Gherardini Dorsoduro 2813
30123 Venezia
Hotel galleria
Dorsoduro 878/a
It seems that I requested a lot of places in the Dorsoduro area. If these aren't in a preferable area can you point me to a few specific locations I should be looking. It appears that you like the San Marco area?
And this will probably be helpful - we tend to like more off the beaten path (but not dead) areas. I'm looking for charm and quaintness. We don't mind walking to get to the sites as we're young.
Thanks in advance and sorry for my naivety on this.
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My daughter stayed at the Casa Rezzonico a year ago, during Carnavale, and really liked it. She recommended it for me, when I visited in May, but it was full.
We did walk over to it, and went into the lobby and talked with the desk clerk. It looks charming, very clean, and the clerk was friendly.
I liked its out-of-the way feel, and its neighborhood. Franco will know more, obviously, as this was my one and only visit to Venice.
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if you look up a couple of posts above you'll see Franco's opinion about Casa Rezzonico's location ... I will be staying there in 3 weeks and I already asked him.
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Thanks Helen. I didn't even realize it was the same address. Thanks for pointing that out.
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Oops, having taken a downtime from Fodor's for the weekend, I'm back to find plenty of questions here!
dejah, excuse me, there is no S. Marco/Castello district. Either S. Marco or Castello, and it's in the very heart of Castello. A wonderful neighbourhood, unspoiled, beautiful, with real Venetians living real Venetian life... but of course, it's not too convenient to the sights. The only main sight nearby is the Arsenale. If you accept that, you'll love it. Otherwise, as far as June, the Giglio neighbourhood will certainly be less flooded with tourists than in August - I think that's an acceptable season to stay there. On Campo Bandiera e Moro, however, you'll see fewer tourists. So the choice is practically between a beautiful posh and a beautiful "real" neighbourhood, the first in a great location to move around, the second definitely less practicable and involving much more vaporetto riding (a time and cost factor), the first having far more tourists than the second. Now it's up to you!
Jenny, as Helen already told you, yes, I wholeheartedly recommend the Ca' Rezzonico neighbourhood, especially if you don't mind some walking. The Hotel Galleria is more convenient for lazy walkers, but it's located in a touristy typhoon eye where I wouldn't want to stay except for November or January. -
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Franco -
I've read most of the posts on this thread to catch up. I found this apt listed on craigslist and the owner has been very responsive. Just wondering what you know of the street/neighborhood. The address is
Ca' Bianca
Cannaregio 2444, 30121 Venezia
My husband, 2 teenage sons and I will be in Venice at the end of August for 2 nights. We love the idea of staying in an apt. and was thrilled to find one here that would rent for 2 nights. We'll spend most of time there wandering and exploring.
I've been reading your thread on apts in Rome and will certainly ask your opinion of locations there once I narrow my selection - since we'll be in Rome longer I'm really trying to find a 2 bedroom in the Piazza Novonna area - look for my post there soon.
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This was difficult to trace out - Cannaregio is just the quarter of town (a LARGE quarter!), you didn't have the street where the apartment is located. After some research, I'm convinced it's on Fondamenta Moro near S. Marziale. A hard-working no-nonsense neighbourhood, definitely not touristy, and in that sense it's commendable. For a stay of just two nights, though, I think it's maybe too far from everything (except for the Ghetto) if you don't already know Venice well...
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Franco - Thank you for your quick response. I think I'll keep looking in Venice for something more centrally located. Not that easy since we're only looking for 2 nights. The Cannaregio seems to have a lot of apts for rent - any streets or code that would be better than others?
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Everything between Santi Apostoli and San Canziano/S. Maria dei Miracoli would be fine as far as central location. It shouldn't be that difficult to find apartments available for two nights - even at my favourite one (see above), which is in really high demand, the minimum stay is two nights. (But it's not suitable for you - no room for 4 people.)
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...I mean: as far as central location IN CANNAREGIO, which may not be obvious from my last post.
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So even though we're only in Venice for 2 days, you think staying in Cannaregio is fine, just not too far off in that quarter, correct? If I look for something within the streets you named, I should be OK?
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Yes, that's what I was trying to say. Attention, though, those are no streets but neighbourhoods, named after the respective churches. You need a good map of Venice to see where apartments are located. Ask any landlord to give you a street name, not just (as the last one did) the house numbers that don't help anything if you don't know Venice really well; they're not numbering streets in Venice but always whole quarters, so a complete address would read, e.g., "Cannaregio 2444, the entrance being on Fondamenta Moro".
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OK. Here's another apt but it's in the Dorsoduro area. the middle of Fondamenta di Borgo along the
>> quiet canal Rio de le Romite (Rio delle Eremite according to other maps),
>> between Campo San Barnaba and Zattere in the Dorsoduro district
The owner describes St. Mark's Sq only 15 minutes away, 3min walk to Campo Santa Margherita, 2min to Le Zattere and 4 minutes to Academia Bridge.
Again, with only 2 days in Venice is this too far from things? It's a 2 bedroom apt and because I'm traveling with teenagers they're charging only for my husband & I. I haven't found that anywhere else, but I'm going to start asking.
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Well, first of all, this is an extremely charming and nice neighbourhood, among Venice's best. And as far as distances to the major sights, it's certainly better than the last one you were looking into - the Accademia (with easy access to the S. Stefano area) and Frari/S. Polo are in reasonable distance, S. Maria della Salute quite well reachable, too, and for S. Marco/S. Zaccaria and further east, you have a good vaporetto connection from Zattere. Less comfortable from there is the Rialto area and north/west of it.
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Hello Franco,
It's me again! Thanks for your recommendation for this area in venice. We love this location in Santa Croce and the owner is very helpful. We walked from the train station to the apartment and it only take us 23 minutes for the first time. I was surprised that the street names are well painted on the walls of the houses at the corner of every street. There are always signs to point to St Marks, the Accademia etc. Venice is a very exciting place to explore. Except when you want to buy those glass sovenirs then you have to be a little more cautious, you just have to look for a few more places and compare the prices before making any purchase. Once again, you advice go a long way, thanks. -
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Could you comment on these locations?
Here's a link which contains a map:
1. S. Marco 4878
Calle delle Balotte
2. S. Marco 3701
Calle degli Assassini
3. S.Marco 3125
Calle Zoti
4. S. Marco 2986
Calle delle Muneghe
5. S. Marco 3000
Calle degli Orbi
6. S. Marco 3096
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PlanB, wonderful that you've enjoyed your Venice location, as well. Sounds like you've had a great trip.
fieldtripcoordinator, I suppose you've noticed in one of my posts on this thread the announcement that I'd be absent from Fodor's for the whole month of June, so I further suppose that my answer, though late, will still be useful for you. All six (the map you've been linking to is giving but five?) are in very pretty parts of S. Marco. No. 1 is in extremely (most often: too) busy surroundings, though I seem to remember that the very lane on which the apartment seems to be located is tranquil. But step out and walk around the corner, and you cannot move because half a million tourists is filling up the narrow lane. This is the least recommended of the six locations. The five others are beyond doubt on quiet lanes. No. 2 has a major shopping lane nearby (Calle de la Mandola), but the crowds are not half as overwhelming there as near no. 1 - I'd rather describe it as a lively than as a busy area. No. 3 to 6 are all in the very same location, separated by just one or two corners. This is certainly the most beautiful part of S. Marco, I love it. Relatively few tourists, calm, residential. The prettiest of the four lanes is Calle de le Muneghe, but there's really not much difference in that area.
As far as everyday shopping (assuming that you may want to cook your own meals sometimes), no. 2 is clearly offering the best options in the immediate surroundings, while no. 1 is the most conveniently located to the Rialto market. 3 to 6 are the losers, in this respect - the neighbourhood is suffering from an almost total lack of grocers.
As far as moving around, no. 1 would be definitely perfect if the Japanese, Russian, Austrian (...) tourist groups wouldn't inhibit any kind of movement. (Though by the way, you must not believe the short distance from no. 1 to Piazza S. Marco on that map. This is really a cheeky sham.) 3 to 6 are preferable to 2, in this respect: short distance to the Accademia bridge and thus to the far side of Canal Grande, and before noon, you even have the S. Samuele traghetto to cross the canal really nearby. (I don't consider vaporetti a serious means of moving around Venice, but if and when you need them, vaporetto stops are close to all six apartments.) -
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Thanks, Franco, for all your helpful advice. You're not too late. Our trip is planned for May 2009.
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Franco - Again, a big thank you for your advice on selecting the perfect neighborhood for our Venice visit this August.
Since we were only staying 2 nights it seemed my options were slim for an apt in Venice - but we stayed at http://www.wenicevenice.it/venice-lodging.htm
in Dorsoduro district. Franco, I know this wasn't your first choice neighborhood but Venice is so manageable that it never felt far from anything and it was by my NYC standards very easy walkable. It was just right. Our apt owner met us at the Ca' Rezzonico stop on the vaporetto and we walked a 5-10 minute walk to Campo San Barnaba - a fairly quiet neighborhood piazza which is a nice refuge from the very busy student-filled Campo S. Margheritta slightly further away. We made a turn onto Fondementa di Borgo and there we were in a lovely apartment overlooking this canal with picture-perfect views at ever angle. Very close to Zattere with a supermarket and an alternative vaporetto stop as well as the breathtaking views and expansive promenade. Walking distance to Peggy Guggenheim and Academia Gallerie, a little longer walk to Rialto Market/Bridge. But I really enjoyed being in a living neighborhood with locals and a quiet retreat from the tourist crowds elsewhere.
The apartment was a renovated unit in a 15th century building - 2 nice size bedrooms, 1 bathroom and a large living room/kitchen/dining room with a sleeper sofa. Perfect for us - 2 adults, 2 teens. No AC, no lift but not necessary either.
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Franco, I know you specialize in apartments, but I am getting panicky about getting a hotel room in Rome for two single, retired teachers for Oct. 11, 12, 13th. We need to be near the train station since we do not have a car. Do you know anyone who can help us. Thanks.
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mhyde, sorry, but this thread is about Venice. Please try to respect and maintain topical order.
goldtwins, it's a joy to see how much you enjoyed it. Let me say you've got me slightly wrong perhaps - it may not be my very first choice, but I actually like that neighbourhood where you were staying very much. -
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Franco - Well I'm glad we agree. I'd live there if I could. I never spend enough time in Venice. Next time, Venice first. Thanks, again.
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Franco, what do you think of this apartment?
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I won't comment on the apartment's decorative style since this is a matter of personal taste. The area is certainly fine - it's exactly the same area that has been last discussed here, with goldtwins!
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Buon Giorno Franco,
I am planning a trip to Italy in September, next year, with my husband and another couple. We are looking for either a two bedroom apartment or two rooms in a good location. It seems there are many neighborhoods to choose from but it would be very nice to be on a canal. We will only be in Venice for three nights. Do you have a recommendation for lodging for four people?
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Thank you Franco! The price is really good for this apt so we can forego the decoration discussion
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galelstorm, I'm sorry, but this thread is working the other way round: if you've found an apartment or a hotel that attracts you, I'll gladly comment on the location. But I can't recommend more apartments than I already have cause I don't know that many. I know every neighbourhood in Venice, and almost every lane, but definitely not every vacation rental And canals are no criteria since they're everywhere in Venice... no neighbourhood without canals!
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All I can tell you is that it's a very well-known and much-praised hotel. As far as my own (lack of) experience with La Calcina, please consider this thread's third sentence: "I only book apartments, never a hotel room."
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Franco - thank you for the information. Yes, having read most of your fabulous threads I know that you book only apartments. With the four of us moving around (Venice 3, Umbria, 3, Rome 4, Amalfi 5, Sicily 5) and not having stays more than three or four nights in Venice and Rome I thought (perhaps incorrectly so) that most apartments required longer stays. Again, thank you for the wonderful information you provide to this site.
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galelstorm, most apartments require minimum stays of just two or three nights, so maybe you'll want to reconsider!
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Oh Franco, I will most certainly reconsider. Time for me to re-read your Venice thread to glean some information about apartment stays rather than hotels and location, location, location. As you stated earlier almost everywhere you are is on a canal. I just want to be sure not to be too far off the beaten path, yet nearby some wonderful neighborhoods to stroll through and enjoy. Thank you again!
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Franco - I hope you still check this thread periodically. We are looking for a Venice apartment that will accommodate 6 - preferably all in bedrooms, rather than 2 bedrooms and a sofabed.
Can you recommend any large apartments, and what area do you prefer?
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Martino, I honestly doubt that you'll find any apartment with "regular" beds for six persons - Venice is not exactly known for spacious apartments, and I suppose everywhere will be a sofa bed for 2 of the 6.
By the way, trying to do some research for Martino, I notice that the vaporettovenice website I recommended in my original post on this thread is not available. Seems like they've ceased activity. -
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Franco -
I realize that Venice is not known for spacious rooms. I remember our room at the Hotel Galleria the last time we were there looked more like a train car (long and narrow) than a bedroom!
But, I did find a website www.truly-venice.com that does have some 3 bedrooms available and also some connecting apartments. They are a little pricey, but look beautiful.
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Hi, I would appreciate opinions on this apt on VRBO.com # 155941 in Venice on the Grand Canal, a few steps away from Rialto Bridge. It is on the 2nd floor, would noise be a potential problem? Ihe price is 360 euros for 3 nights, how does that sound?
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Nice choice. But personally I always stay in a private villa with its own garden in Venice just off the Campo Bandiera e Moro when i travel to Venice.
Try contacting Ilios Travel. their product manager is Venetian and he has properties that aren't even on their books but be prepared to wait a day or so, he isn't exactly quick on the replies! -
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if you are still looking for an apartment for 6, I suggest you this:
It has a great view, I know the owner and it is a nice guy.
He also manage this one, that I heve never seen, but seems nice:
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Thanks Gaia606 - that apartment looks very nice.
We have booked an apartment and have our fingers crossed that it will work out well -
This is what we chose.
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I'm sure Franco will confirm, the location is comfortable and close to Saint Mark and Rialto. Maybe the canal could be a little noisy.
In the close campo San Luca there is a wonderful pastry shop for the Italian Breakfast and many bars where you can try the Spritz. -
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What do you think of the following hotels - which one would you recommend based on the area they are in and the convenience of getting to/around?
1. Palazzo Duodo - I really like the location & the price & the fact that it has a 2 room suite since there are 4 of us.
2. Casa Rezzonico- Good reviews, not sure if the room will be large enough, has anyone stayed in their quad room? Also the distance to San Marco Square etc, I was hoping to be within a quick walk so we could go there at night or early morning for a stroll.
3.Casa Cosmo - Good location? Not much information, pics are not too attractive.
4.Al Ponte Mocenigo - seems far from main attractions.
5.Corte 1321
If anyone else has any opinions, thoughts on the above hotels, I would appreciate hearing them. Thanks.
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hi again, excited,
I've not stayed in any of the hotels you mention but i think that they are all about 15 mins from st. Marco.
the casa rezonnico one, although the other side of the grand canal, may be one of the closest because if its proximity to the accademia bridge, and I personally like its position.
can't help about the size of the rooms other than looking at the pictures. I agree that the suite in the first one would be good with 4 of you.
have you abandoned the idea of an apartment? it woudl give you more space for less cost.
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Thanks again annhig, I have added Al Teatro B7B as another choice! I have not totally abandoned the idea of an apt but can't seem to find one I really like in my budget & figured that since we are probably staying in an apt in Rome, a hotel in Venice would be a good change, getting breakfast in the hotel, & especially with having someone there to ask about local restaurants etc.
I am very tempted to book Palazzo Duodo except that they want the first night's payment by bank draft & I'm sure my bank will charge for that & I am wary about being able to get my deposit back in case of cancellation. I feel more comfortable with a credit card deposit.
I am leaning toward Casa Rezzonica myself but they quoted the distance to St mark's Square as 2 km which is too far for an easy stroll so I guess we would have to get the vaporatto pass. Al Ponte Mocenigo is at the same distance by foot but farther away by vaparatto. If anyone who has stayed at is reading this, please advise about the ease of getting to places. Thanks. -
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I would check out all those hotels on Trip Advisor Venice for the latest opinions. Al Ponte Mocenigo is an excellent choice in a great area. It might be a bit further from San Marco, but with the crowds that is sometimes an advantage. It is close to a vaporetto stop and really Venice is very easy to get around. Just purchase a good map!
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I'd pick 'ca Rezzonico. It's 15 minutes from San Marco. 2km takes you from the Ferrovia to the end of Via Garibaldi!
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hi again, excited,
I too would lean towards the ca'rezonnico hotel, if a hotel is what you want and I agree that the 2kms is a bit of an over--estimate. 15 mins would be more like it - a nice stroll over the accademia bridge and round the Fenice. it is well positioned for Dorodosso, santa croce and san polo, the frari, and san salute, lots of nice shops and bars, and close to a convenient vaporetto stop.
if you click on my name and look for "we went to Venice and we saw" you'll find my trip report from last easter - it has some ideas which might interest you.
have a great trip,
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Thanks annhig, I am inclined toward Casa Rezzonico because I think the location is closer but I like the look and reviews of Al Ponte Mocenigo more. Can anyone tell me if Al Ponte is much farther than Casa from San Marco, since they are in different directions it is hard for me to tell. And say we just wanted to go for a stroll at night, which is the area that would have more to offer - restaurants, shops, etc? In other words, which is the better area to stay in?
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Hi again, excited,
no contest, here, IMHO. particularly at night, there will ne much more to see and do around the ca 'rezzonicco hotel, and it is much mroe conveniently placed. Just look at the map - al Ponte is at teh top of the San polo district in the middle of a number of very small and dark alleyways. it is not particlarly close to any sights or shops that are likely to be open at night. it woudl be fun to walk through in the day, but not much night -life. to get to San Marco, you' have a long walk through the alleys or a relatively long boat ride.
look at the ca' rezzonicco hotel - you can walk down to the accademia bridge into San Marco with its bars, restaurants and shops, you can walk through sante croce to the frari area, or in the opposite direction through dorodosso, or you can get a boat up or down the grand canal.
postionwise, there's really no contest.
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franco, we are a family of 5, we are going to Venice on 7th December. I read about the flooding, so where is the best area to stay at to avoid being affected by it. I'm sure the weather will be very cold, so your insight on the best area to stay will be appreciated. Thanks
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One more thing, since its our first visit to Venice do you think its better to live next to San Marco?
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Franco, Me again, we are staying in Venice for 4 nights (7th Dec. till 11th Dec). I am looking for an apartment with a view on the canal and at the same time close to San Marco.
What do you think about the following apartments, have canal view and good price:
A. Fuseri 1: Apartment in calle dei Fuseri http://www.apartments-in-venice.eu/apartment_venice/361_4/&zon=17
B. Sant'Angelo: Apartment in Campo Sant'Angelo http://www.apartments-in-venice.eu/apartment_venice/394_4/&zon=17
The following have no canal view but good price:
C. Bella Vista! no canal view but good price and sunny http://www.vrbo.com/151184#inquireForm
D. Cà Rialto: No canal view but good price http://www.apartments-in-venice.eu/apartment_venice/745_2/&num=5&ric=2&zon=17
The following apartments are expensive but if there is one which you feel is a catch then we will pay for it:
E. Rialto: http://www.apartments-in-venice.eu/apartment_venice/384_2/&num=5&ric=2&zon=17
F. Canaletto: http://www.apartments-in-venice.eu/apartment_venice/389_2/&num=5&ric=2&zon=17
G. Ca' Foscolo: http://www.apartments-in-venice.eu/apartment_venice/735_2/&num=5&ric=2&zon=17
Thanks Franco
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Hi HAD,
haven't seen Franco around here much recently, so if you don't mind my butting in, here's my two penn'oth.
IMHO you don't need to worry too much about canal views in december so it's not worth paying extra for them.
so of the cheaper apartments you mention, they are all in reasonable locations, apart from D which I felt was too close to the rialto to be really convenient. [may even be on the "wrong" side [ie san polo, not san marco]. I liked the look of C, personally, but it really depends on who is travelling - if a family, you may like the option of a double and two singles; if two couples, the two doubles in A would suit better.
frankly, you're nto likely to spend so mcuh time in the apartment that it's really going to matter so long as it's warm and has a decent kitchen as eating out in Venice is VERY expensive. that's why going for the cheaper options is a good idea - it give you more for food.##
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HAD, I looked at ca Rialto myself, I really liked it but it was a little beyond our budget but IMHO, I think it is a good option.
Annhig (or anyone else), can you give me your opinion of this apt and area: http://www.holiday-rentals.co.uk/Italy/holiday-apartment-Venice-area/p7755.htm
Thanks for replying to my earlier questions as well.
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Thanks ann, I took your advice and gave up on paying more for a canal view and booked apartment C. By the way apartment D is in San Marco and not San Polo. Have a nice day
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Just a comment about the Al Ponte Mocenigo. We stayed at this hotel and had a lovely room for the first few nights - spacious, beautifully decorated (soft, elelgant colors and fabrics) and with a view of a small canal - one of those recommended rooms on Trip Advisor. The last night of our stay, we had to move to another room which was totally decorated in red - walls, draperies, bedspread - everything! The room itself faced the wall of the next building so it was a very dark room. So, if you stay at this hotel make sure you know what your room will be like and where it is located in the hotel.
As for location - someone above commented that it is a small distance to activities and sights. It is in a quiet area.
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hi again excited,
well it looks OK, but it's only really for 3 - one double and one single bed. When are you going? - if in the summer, the nearest vaporetto stop s. Zaccaria gets very busy, as it is the closest to the Doge's palace.
OTOH, it's very central, has air-con and the alilaguna stop is very close-by.
have yo noticed that the owner is UK based and quotes in sterling?
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Thanks annhig, the owner did respond to my email and quote a rate in euros. There is a non-refundable feposit of 100 euros. The address of the apt is Castello 4444 Calle da la Sacrestia---Behind Palazzo Ducale...
I guess there is a sofa bed in the living room for the 4th person.
I am basically trying to decide between this apt and the Palazzo Duodo B&B where the rooms consist of 2 rooms so that would work for the 4 of us though I'm not sure how large the rooms are. Breakfast is included there, and I am not really planning on cooking any other meals on vacation anyway! -
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Sorry, I forgot to answer this - we will be there in early June, but with the location of the apt, won't we be able to walk to most places? Do you think it is a noisy area?
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hi again, excited,
didn't realise that you are going in June.
if so, I would really try to stretch the budget to somewhere with some outdoor eating space. even if you don't want to cook, you can buy food to eat at home, it will be a lot cheaper than always eating out, and you will have long evenings to enjoy.
also, that time of year being so central isn't so important - the streets are perfectly safe to explore at night, as we found when we got lost and were walking around at 1am.
but there again, as you are only there for three nights, a small hotel might be the way to go.
you have plenty of time yet to decide.
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Annhig, your last line made me feel much better, thanks! I keep reading about how all the good accommodations get full months in advance & a couple of the hotels I contacted did tell me they had no vacancy but I still feel it's too early to send in a non-refundable deposit (as in the case of Palazzo Duodo). I don't believe they have an outdoor area, I presume most apts would not either but it's a good point. I guess I will wait while checking for any other options.
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hi excited,
I found the web-site for the agency I was trying to find the other day, but had got the web-address wrong.
it's italy-accom.com.
they have some good general info on their website too.
good luck,
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Finally, I have to say sorry also on this thread for my long and unexpected absence (sudden & unforeseen work was overwhelming me) - and thank you, annhig, for substituting me so perfectly also on this thread!!!
excited - if you still happen not to have decided, of your two last options, the apartment is WAY preferable. Not just because it's an apartment (see several entries above), but because the location is far more tranquil, far nicer, and also more convenient. Calle dei Fabbri is one of the crowded lanes linking the S. Marco area to the Rialto area (ok, it's the most Western and thus least crowded of those main lanes, but crowded nonetheless!), while the apartment, obviously located between S. Zaninovo and the southern end of Ruga Ciuffa, is in a tucked-away maze of small alleys where hardly any tourist ever penetrates. -
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franco-there are many areas in Venice, are there particular places that are more easily accessible via vaporetto and for ease of moving around the city? We have a few feelers out but one of my traveling companions said that we should be more near the Grande Canal and not somewhere too intricate to get to. Can you help please with your vast knowledge? Grazie!
excited _confused-You showed up on my post for a two bedroom in Rome today. Are you also looking for someplace in Venice? I se you are traveling in June and we are going in September. I would appreciate your insight from your investigations.
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hi gale,
first of all, I defer to Franco in everything I say here - he has been to Venice more times than...well in the UK we say "than I've had hot dinners".
but perhaps i have an advantage in that I know what infrequent visitors like me usually want. and our priorities are:
easy to get to on arrival and departure
convenient for the things we want to see
if self-catering, close to shops
[I'm leaving out things like level of service and cleanliness as they are dependant upon the accommodation itself, not the location.]
taking them in turn:
easy to get to on arrival etc.
this can depend upon what time of day you are arriving and from where. if you are arriving/departing by train, you might like a place along the rio terra lista di spagna, which is a bit of a mouthful but is the street to your left as you come out of the station.
on the other hand, if you arrive at the bus station from the airport, somewhere in san polo, santa croce or dorsoduro might be more convenient, as you don't need to cross the grand canal to reach those areas.
then again, if you are travelling in mid-winter, somewhere up a dark alley might not be as attractive as a hotel on a well-lit thoroughfare; in summer, it could be ideal.
convenient to the things we want to see - only you know what you want to see in Venice. clearly somewhere in the middle is going make it easier to get to the sights than somewhere on the outskirts. if you are only there for two days and want to see the doge's palace, accademia, the frari and guggenheim, staying in the outer reaches of cannareggio or by the arsenale might not be the best idea. OTOH, if you want a long let, a quieter less touristy area might be better. and if you think you will be using the vaporetti a lot, proximity to a stop like rialto [where the faster No 2 boats stop] might help.
close to shops - this is mainly for self-caterers - given the no of steps up to most venitian apartments, little and often is the watchword, rather than the big shop you might do at home.
quiet - this is where i defer to Franco - but you are not likely to be too troubled by night clubbers and vespas in Venice.
hope this helps,
regards, ann
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Here again, I have to say sorry that I will be answering only tomorrow - today, no time unfortunately!
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I started researching accommodation options in Venice (the choice seems endless!), and found this thread, which is simply amazing! Bravo franco for being so generous with your time and expertise!
Here's my dilemma. We have a very short stay in Venice (arriving mid-afternoon, spending two nights, then leaving in the afternoon). First time in Venice for my other half, so we probably need to be in a central location. BUT we don't mind a bit a walking. Would it be crazy to stay in the area around the Fondamenta Nuove alilaguna stop? We found a lovely B&B there, I figured that on the day we leave we could tour in the morning, then walk back, pick up our bags and be on our way. But is it a nice area? The B&B is on Calle Venier.
Considering our schedule, should we rule out the Dorsoduro area? I really love this area (close to the Accademia bridge), but the alilaguna trip to the airport takes 90 mns.
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galelstorm, if you allow a not completely serious reply, easy access by vaporetto and easy moving through Venice are completely incompatible
And now the serious explanation: easy moving means walking in Venice. Vaporettos are extremely slow, both because they're moving slowly and because they're going long ways round (since most of the canals are way to narrow for them). So if you want to move easily, you'll take the vaporetto only when carrying luggage, or when crossing the whole town from, say, the Giardini to Piazzale Roma. Thus, being close to a vaporetto stop is ONLY important on arrival and departure; which means saying politely that it's not very important at all (if you don't have difficulties walking, that is). And however near your accomodation may be to the vaporetto, you'll do some luggage shlepping nonetheless, so it's more important to pack light than to stay close to the vaporetto (or the Canal Grande, for that matter). And please: getting lost in the most intricate mazes of alleys is part of the fun of being in Venice; if you avoid it, you haven't really been there.
As far as quiet, it's impossible to give general directions; I need precise addresses to give any reasonable advice in this respect. Just one thing is clear, and I'm sorry that I have to disagree with my thread companion Ann: Lista di Spagna is the most terrible location for an accomodation all over Venice, hands down. It's noisy, super-touristy, overcrowded, flashy. So no possibility to stay in a nice place anywhere near the train station, or near Piazzale Roma (which is a surprisingly modern and also a bit run-down area). I'd also generally exclude the Giardini-S. Elena district (too distant from everything, and also not pretty enough).
ventdest, not a bad choice actually. Certainly there are more stunningly beautiful neighbourhoods in Venice, but from Calle Venier, you have Campo dei Gesuitti just around the corner (which is a very nice square!), and what this area (generally rather a hard-working one) may be lacking in sheer beauty is made up by its authenticity: Venice for the Venetians. And street connections are quite good; true, you'll walk a little more than from "my" apartment (see above) since you're in a far less central location, but connections to Rialto or to Zanipolo are fairly direct, and from there, you have excellent access to most parts of historical Venice. -
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Franco - thanks for taking time to write about your favourites - it helps getting some insights. My husband and I are visiting Venice the 2nd week in April and are thinking to stay at Locanda Marinella. Have you heard about it? What's your opinion as far as location? We have an early flight back to the US on the last day at 6 am so probably somewhere easy to get on the taxi/transportation to the airport would be great. Thanks Franco!
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franco, of course you are right about the hotels long the lista da spagna. lots of them are touristy and/or tacky.
but people DO stay there, and for those arriving with heavy luggage on a train, they make a viable alternative to dragging cases on and off the vaporetti.
I was booked into a hotel along there by a friend, and it enabled me to discover a whole new part of Venice. and if you are near to a stop were you can get the No 2, the boats are not that slow. not all of us know Venice as well as you do!
but mainly of course, you are right.
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jgliu, your question comes as an illustration to what I said just one posting above yours: the modern, run-down surroundings of Piazzale Roma... there is hardly a "less Venetian" location all over Venice; and Rio Terrà dei Pensieri (where the Locanda seems to be found) is famous for just one thing: as the address of the Venice jail. No, of the Locanda itself, I've never heard. Yes, it's handy to the airport bus; but that's certainly that location's single advantage.
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Hi Franco, just a quick note to say thanks, I really appreciate the advice! I will keep on following this thread closely
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annhig-You are so gracious to answer my questions. Thank you. Being a first timer it is nice to have sound advice. And yours is just that. I relish your experiences and have read your post about Venice. I Must say I got a good chuckle out of your writings!
franco-if we can't keep our sense of humor about us what then? If I ride the vaporetto into town and drop the luggage I am doing great as long as I don't drop myself into the water! I am very much into the walking aspect of Venice and I don't care if I'm moving in circles and get lost in some lovely neighborhood, I'M IN VENICE! Thank you so much for your reply and knowledge.
We settled on a place (don't cringe)that is very near Piazza San Marco. This is the link:
For my traveling companions, who do not walk nearly as much as I do this is a perfect location. This way we can venture out both morning and afternoon to all of the places I want to see then late at night come back through the piazza, enjoy ourselves, and be close to home base. -
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Sorry, if you have already written about these apartments, but I couldn't find them in the above thread.
Here is website. We have never been to Venice, don't really need a full kitchen--just a refrig. for fruit, cheese and wine--and we love to walk, walk, walk to get a flavor of a city. So just wondering about this neighborhood and wanted to make sure it is a good choice for first time visitors.
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macdogmom, as usual, I can only comment on the location (since I don't know those apartments). And it's a very very nice neighbourhood. Actually, a favourite of mine. One of those strange locations typical of Venice where you are so close to the bustle of town, and yet in a completely tranquil position since there is that corner a few steps before your door, a corner no tourist ever seems to turn around. (Quite similar, in this respect, to the place where I usually stay.) Of course, being on the S. Polo side of the Canal Grande, you'll have to take the vaporetto more frequently (the majority of sights is on the S. Marco side, and bridges over the Canal Grande are too few to always walk). But don't forget the possibility of taking a traghetto instead! (traghetto explanation: http://www.fodors.com/forums/threadselect.jsp?fid=2&tid=34791890, postings of 08/02 and 08/21, 2006)
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...and galelstorm: there's no reason at all to cringe at your choice, on the contrary. This choice is just excellent (always speaking of location, mind you) - merely 30 metres from the apartment I've so often described here as my favourite. (If you're walking towards S. Marco from your hotel, the first building after the bridge, that's where the Rosa di Venezia apartment is located.) Another location like what I've described five minutes ago: close to the bustling life and yet quiet.
Btw, Ann: I completely agree that it's worth exploring the neighbourhood north of Lista di Spagna, towards S. Giobbe and the former slaughterhouse. A completely unknown part of Venice that gets to see hardly ever any tourist (another of those Venetian mysteries: the touristy overkill on Lista di Spagna, and total calmness in the side alleys). But of course, you can explore it without having your accomodation there. Did you detect the public garden opposite S. Geremia? A narrow side lane of Lista di Spagna, and you find yourself in a large public garden, where you'd meet ONLY locals. I'm sure there's no more than one tourist per week who finds this place. A mere 100 metres from one of the most overrun and tourism-ridden places in town... -
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We (my wife and I) have just returned from nine weeks in Venice (we did not leave Venice at all in that time, except for a three day trip to Rome, plus the lagoon islands).
We stayed in Dorsoduro, near San Barnaba / Campo Margherita. It takes 15 minutes or less to walk to San Marco via Academe, and about ten minutes from there to Rialto. Allow half an hour walking to get to the far eastern parts of Castello. In summer it would take longer because of the crowds.
If flying in, take the ferry from Marco Polo to Venice. Sure, a cab is quicker, but arriving at San Marco by water is magical. From San Marco, take a vaporretto up the Grand Canal to your nearest waterbus stop – otherwise there's lots of bridges to carry your luggage over. (We walked from San Marco to San Barnaba, and it was very hard work – particularly the Academe bridge).
I'd avoid the Fondamenta Nuove – it is a long way from the action.
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hi galestorm,
I was half afraid to post that I thoguht your B&B location was a good one in case Franco told me I was wrong! [only joking, franco]. but I'm pleased that we agree about something. you are so close to all the action yet very few tourists will penetrate your little calle. AND you are very conveniently placed for the alilaguna to San Marco.
Franco - I'm sorry that despite my wanderings, i never found "your" gardens so I have not yet qualified as your one tourist a week. I looked on my map - is it the parco Savorgnan? an excuse for returning, I hope.
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Ann, and I thought we agree about most things Venetian; after all, you've so perfectly (and graciously) substituted me on this thread while I was absent! I absolutely regarded our different opinions on staying on Lista di Spagna as an exception! As far as the name of that garden, honestly, I've no idea. At S. Geremia, Lista di Spagna broadens to form a square; and on the side opposite the church, there are two (I think) side alleys, the left of which directly leads to that park.
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The garden in question also opens to the Fondamenta Venier, connected by a path. There are heaps of cats, more or less feral, that have made their home along the path in niches in the adjacent building. Someone is feeding them.
Interesting comment by Franco re Piazzale Roma being "less Venetian". All of Venice is Venetian, I'd have thought. Sure, you might not care to stay at a B&B in Rio Terra Pensieri (excuse spelling, and I dont have a map) but right over the way the big house is full of real Venetians. Might not be too beautiful, but it is certainly real.
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Here's a place that works pretty well. It's in Dorsoduro.
The second floor apartment is good for two adults, would be tight for three or four.
The kitchen works well - we've cooked about 50 meals in it - and it is well equipped (pressure cooker for making chicken stock, some brand new pans courtesy of us).
The owner is in the USA, and payment was made in USD. She was a delight to deal with.
Keys were mailed to us in Australia, and on arrival in Venice we located the apartment very easily.
The street floods if acqua alta is greater than about 100 cm or so, and there are rubber boots supplied - the whole acqua alta thing presents no real problems.
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franco, you are toooo kind. your description of the park exactly fits the one I have found on the map. I did explore that area in what I thought was a thorough fashion, but obviously not thoroughly enough. one of the snags of sharing with a friend, however close, is that habits do not necessarily co-incide - being an early riser I would go out before breakfast and explore the streets as Venice came alive. that way i found the fish market along the side of the ponte Guglie, the fruit market over the other side of the bridge, the little shop selling slippers and wellington boots to the locals [and me!].
I'm not sure that I would stay in that area again, but for a few days it wasn't too bad. however, I agree with you to the extent that were I to visit Venice only once in my life, it would not be the perfect choice!
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Hi Franco,
Thank you for your help in choosing a Rome apartment. Now I have a question about a Venice apartment.
Appartamento La Mia Casa a Venezia
Cannaregio 2399 - Venezia. http://www.vrbo.com/115338
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Hi Marianna,
I just read you post about Al Ponte Mociengo. I was about to go and reserve a room in their Annex, but just read that it is far away from the attractions(San Marco). Can you tell me how long a walk is it and should I go for it? I will travelling with a 4 year old!
I have also shortlisted Residenza Ca' San Marco. Do you know anything about that one?
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A four year old in Venice is going to get pretty tired – there's so much walking – and the afternoon nap, or just time out to get out the crayons and paper and do some drawings will be important. Kids get grumpy when they are exhausted.
Have you considered an apartment, which gives space and normality, a kitchen to fool around in, space to cook, assemble a picnic, whatever. There's a washing machine, which might be handy.
The place I'm recommending is five minutes walk from Academe, five minutes to the Ca' Rezzonico, and the location is friendly. Might be worth a look. Ten minutes to San Marco, three minutes to a supermarket, which is fun for kids.
We stayed there for eight weeks.
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Dear Franco: Thank you so much for your helpful and thoughtful posts! I am visiting Venice in April 2009 (first Venice visit), I have booked an apartment called "San Samuele/Palazzo Grassi"...I used sleepinitaly to book because they have always been so wonderful for our Rome bookings...we are trying to stay on a budget, and this apartment is only 130Euro per night. Could you prepare me for the area? The address is San Marco 3188/A - Salizada Malipiero, we are to use water bus stop of Sant Angelo... I am traveling with my 18 year old and my 5 year old. Thanks. - s
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Ok, I'm finally trying to overcome my shock about the new forum layout... I'll work off my backlog post by post.
Peter, you have actually qualified as my "one tourist per week"... which is to say that yes, that's the garden I was talking about. As far as "all things in Venice are Venetian", let's not split hairs. I guess everybody understands what I was meaning to say. And as for your assumption that the "big house" of Rio Terà dei Pensieri be "full of Venetians", that's a misapprehension - not many Venetians in there! It's the central jail for the whole Veneto region, and most "inhabitants" are being brought in from outside town (Venice is not big on crime, on the contrary)...
eurosmile, how much time are going to stay in Venice? And how well do you know the city? If it's a short visit, and you don't know it well, I don't think the choice is perfect. If you have time enough, or are already acquainted with Venice, it's a nice choice. The area is fine, "real" Venice, not for the tourists, except for the area's mainfare, Strada Nova, the gash this part of Venice was suffering in the 19th century and that's always packed with tourists (and others). It's pretty distant from most parts of town, though, and will involve some hiking back and forth.
Same goes for Al Ponte Mocenigo, bj. But also the apartment you, Peter, are recommending already twice on this thread is not what I would choose with a 4-year old. Indeed, Venice is exhausting, but 10 minutes to S. Marco from Calle S. Barnaba, excuse me? This seems more than just a bit like advertising, sorry; and with a 4-year old child, it's just unthinkable to get there in 10 minutes. Make that 25, with a child of this age. bj, if you have a look at the apartment I was recommending in my initial post on this thread, that's what I'm calling a central location. Two minutes from S. Marco, but really two.
susanboston, that's one of my favourite neighbourhoods. Incredibly beautiful, unspoiled, elegant, wealthy. Not at all touristy. There's just one disadvantage: as far as every-day shopping (food!, if you perhaps want to cook your own meals), there's not much to speak of around there. It's easier to buy a splendid baroque sideboard there than a role of toilet paper. And don't fail to have breakfast on Campo S. Stefano - a gorgeous place to go to the bar.
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...ah, and one more thing, susan: S. Samuele waterstop is of course much nearer to your apartment than S. Angelo! Attention, no boats landing at S. Samuele during the afternoon; just in the morning and at night.
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Yep, I'll allow that ten minutes from San Barnaba to San Marco is hoofing it, particularly with a four year old. But I will take exception to the gratuitous "This seems more than just a bit like advertising" comment. The owner lives in San Francisco (not to be confused with Calle San Francesco in Castello), and I live in Melbourne, and I don't have an advertising or promotional brief. However, I'll recommend anything, anywhere, to anyone, if I have personal experience of what I'm recommending, and if I think it's worth recommending. While I'm not claiming to be a Venice guru, I do have a vague knowledge of Venice.
"To hotel–proprietors, tradesman, and others the Editor begs to intimate that a character for fair dealing and courtesy towards travelling forms the sole passport to his commendation…" - Baedekers Handbook for Travellers - Northern Italy, 1899. The previous owner of my copy visited San Marco on 31 October 1902.
Oh, and if you are visiting Venice, Baedekers advice re luggage still holds good – "The enormous weight of the large trunks used by some travellers not infrequently causes serious injury to the porters who have to handle them".
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Peter, no harm meant. I know that you're not "advertising" it in a commercial way, you're doing it just because you were so happy with that accomodation. And I also know that many (perhaps all) of us are in constant danger of over-recommending what we found appropriate for ourselves. I, too, had to learn "advertising" my own favourites in a more, say, gentle way. And it's safe to assume that you have a MORE than just vague knowledge of Venice. Your eight-weeks Venetian holiday (I've seen various of your posts on Fodor's) is just great, that's exactly what I'd recommend everybody (though I know of course that few people have spare time and money enough to follow your example, but anyway). It's also the perfect antidote to those regularly seen postings that really upset me like "are eight days too much for Venice?" - "I think three days are more than sufficient".
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Hi F,
I saw that "three days are more than enough in Venice" posting, probably courtesy of someone who thinks that fast food equates to fine dining.
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Hi Franco
I have read this thread with great interest. we will be staying in Venice for a week in October 09 and are indeed looking for an apartment. As we will be coming from Padua via the Brenta Canal trip and landing in the Zattare late in the evening (by then probably dark) we had thought of renting an apartment in the Dorsodoro area. However, we are not big on Peggy G having been there many years ago and are not modern art followers. Our preference would be the San Paolo or Cannereggio area but thought that because of our late arrival, it would be difficult to find our way through the streets and over bridges. I will scout around and look up a few places and get back to you for your comments.
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Rasputin, while Venice is certainly not easy to navigate, personally, I don't see much difference between before and after dark. Anyway, if you want to find your way easily, you're not restricted to Dorsoduro; Zattere is one of the main vaporetto stops, and so any accomodation near any other vaporetto stop is easily reachable. Also, many apartment rentals provide the service of picking you up wherever you enter the city, and accompanying you to the apartment (for example the one I've often recommended on this and on other threads, La Rosa di Venezia).
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Rasputin, I'd endorse Franco's remarks - navigation is not easy. The thing is to have a good map, and I found that the maps given away as freebies are not good enough. Make sure that you have the full address for your accomodation, not just "San marco 2345" or whatever - you need Calle so and so as well, and I know that some on-line booking systems don't give this information on the bnooking confirmation. Take the time to plan your route from the Zattere to your apartment, and mark it on the map before you start walking, and you will be OK. I know it feels dorky checking the map at every turn, but it avoids (well, mostly avoids) getting lost. You can walk fairly easily from the Zattere to pretty well anywhere in Dorsoduro, but if you are in other areas then Franco's suggestion of a further waterbus to the nearest stop is a good one. The apartment that Franco suggests, La Rosa, is dead easy to find even in the dark, but you would certainly want to take a waterbus to San Marco from the Zattere - it is a longer walk than you might think, particularly with luggage.
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hi franco: thanks for your responses on the san samuel area... i kind of whish i had the sense to look back at this site before freaking out and changing my accommodations...sleepinitaly changed up their web site and the pics of the actuall apartment gave me pause... including the fact that it was "ground floor" and i became concerned about water... though that was probably silly of me... but in any event, i changed the reservation to an apartment called "Ormesini" in Cannareggio area...reason being that I feel like this may be our only chance to visit venice and i want to make sure the place we stay is special and comfy... I don't have an exact address, but i assume (yes, dangerous, i knowthat Ormesini relates to a "street" or bridge... any thoughts on that area, if you know? thx again. -s
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susan, ground floor may or may not be a problem... impossible to determine without knowing the precise building! First of all, it depends on the street, since there are high-lying and low-lying parts of Venice; second, on the building itself. Many Venetian palaces have actually no "ground floor" (piano terreno) but a piano rialzato instead ("elevated ground floor"), which means it's high-water-proof.
If the name of your new choice relates to Calle or Fondamenta degli Ormesini, this is near two important places:
1. the Ghetto
2. the end of the world.
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Hi Franco! I have the exact address... and though I am unfamiliar with Venice, I know myself and my children, and the large tourist crowds in areas like St. Mark's Square make us want to run away while screaming...we are more interested in wandering back "streets", seeing where Venitian people live, taking photographs, shopping for our own groceries, eating simply (but often!)... no fancy restaurants with the little "busy" 5 year old... we only have 3 nights in Venice, we are flying in, but taking the train out...The first "apartment" was looking kind of glum, and was truly a ground floor apartment... I felt like we should stay semi-deluxe since we are unlikely to go back to Venice any time soon...here's what they gave me for the address of the apartment we re-booked: CANNAREGIO 2835. They give us directions only to go to the WATER BUS STOP OF SAN MARCUOLA, where the apartment owner or manager will be waiting for us. The link - if this will post, is: http://www.sleepinitaly.com/appartam.php?id_appartam=315 .
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Well, so it's on Fondamenta degli Ormesini, as I figured. I have nothing to add on the neighbourhood: certainly pretty enough, but certainly no comparison to S. Samuele, and certainly far from everything (except for - not fancy! - Al Bacco, see my Venetian food thread). If I had just three nights, I'd want to stay in a more central location, but that's of course up to you. Just don't think that the fact that Piazza S. Marco is crowded means that the surroundings are crowded, as well. You know, the apartment where I'm usually staying is just two minutes of slow walking from the Piazza, and yet in a tranquil position...
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Susan of Boston,
I think Franco nailed it pretty accurately. Fondamenta degli Ormesini is a very quiet part of town – or it was when we walked through there after visiting the Ghetto a few weeks back. Attractive enough, not all that hard to find, but it is rather in the back-blocks of Venice. The thing is, that with a five year old, it is a pretty long walk to the more interesting part of town. I think you'd want a bit more "snap and crackle" than you would find there – particularly for your 18 year old. Something a bit closer to San Marco might work better. Maybe others might comment on how crowded Venice (and the Piazza) is in April – my experiences have been in Winter. Something a bit strange, though. When I ask Google Maps to find Cannaregio 2835, it does not find the location as the Fond. Ormesini.
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hi susan,
i had the same experience as Peter- it gave the address as in the middle of San Marco! right in the pigeons.
ditto what franco said - this one is very out of the way, and IMHO quite expensive for something so out of the centre.
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Though Google maps is working for me with this address, I suggest always using www.viamichelin.com - the best online map, far better than Google!
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Franco or anyone else,
I would love to get your opinion on this apartment and the location. We have 4 nights reserved at Hotel Riva which is across from your favorite place (I checked, all booked up). However I am thinking that an apartment might be a better choice.
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macdogmom, you'll walk considerably more than from the Riva, but if you love to: that's certainly a wonderful neighbourhood, not touristy, unspoiled, lively, extraordinarily pretty... and sunny: lanes are not as narrow there as in many other parts of Venice.
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Thank you so much, Franco. Yes, the Rosa person who answered my email told me, "You are incredibly late, are you aware of that?" Oh well, just thought I would give it a try
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I am going to Venice in December and we are booked reservations at Locando Arco Antico. Do you know this hotel? It got a great write up in the NY Times.
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dpranck, I don't know any hotels in Venice, as you can imagine after reading this thread... if you add an address, I can comment on the location if that helps anything.
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We had stayed at La Rosa di Venezia on a prior trip to Venice and I'm considering it again, however we are traveling with another couple and obviously that apartment won't accommodate us all. The owner of La Rosa has informed me that another apartment will be available to rent in the same building and he is checking on that for me. I see that the Hotel Riva is very close, across the canal from La Rosa. I'm wondering if you know how difficult it is to get from one to the other. I can't remember how easy it is to access the footbridge below the apartment. And yes, I am also looking at 2 bed/2 bath apartments....however, I love the canal view and balcony from La Rosa and am having difficulty finding a larger accommodation in a quiet location with a small canal view. -
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Franco, Based on your input originally, I have sent clients to Rosa di venezia and now will be renting it ourselves in late Sep--as part of a 3 week trip to Italy celebrating our 50th.
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travelfan1, the Riva is just across the bridge (not the one below the apartment, but the one behind the building). A 30-seconds-walk, so you can't call that really difficult
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HI franco ,
Just wanted to check on my choice which I am planning to book in venice for 3 nights in dec. This would be a honeymoon trip.
Option I am considering are :Casa Santa Maria Formosa
Al Ponte Mocenigo.
Casa Santa Maria has a good honeymoon package kind of thing, plus location also looks good , near rialto.
Just one more thing , I would be taking early morning flight while leaving venice, but given we have aliguana from st marco and bus from piazzale roma , I think any location would be ok. -
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Well, I would certainly prefer to stay near S. Maria Formosa, since I like that neighbourhood immensely (which is not to say that the other location is bad, though). As far as getting to the airport, you're right, that's no problem from whichever location - also the vaporetti are running all night long to get you to Piazzale Roma.
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S. Maria Formosa is a bnb though, not sure on the reviews,TA rates as 46 on bnb in venice.
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Hey franco , found another very good in hotel ca formenta in castello region.
We would be visiting in dec for 3 nights.
What do you say about this region , in this very thread I see the region seems to be far from the sights but quiet neighbourhood. -
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Well, I wouldn't stay in Via Garibaldi if they paid me for it, since it's too distant from everything - even the vaporetto isn't exactly within handy reach.
I'd definitely stick to S. Maria Formosa; I don't understand why the distinction hotel vs. B&B is of any importance for you. What should be wrong about a B&B? But if there is something wrong with it, I'd much prefer Al Ponte Mocenigo over the one on Via Garibaldi. -
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couldn't agree more with you franco, thanks , will book casa santa formosa then finally, thanks for all the help , will bug you a little on the rome accomodation thread
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Franco, annhig, peter, thank you for all your replies and information! I'm topping this thread rather than start a new one because there is so much fabulous information in it.
I've done the time, read the thread, clicked on the links, and tried to get my brain around where to stay. Here's my scoop: 5 people, (3 of which are little people - although the oldest is about to overtake me - ages 7, 9 and 11). We are going in November and plan on being in Venice for 3 nights.
We LOVE apartments - so much easier, more room, washing machines, eat meals in, wireless, etc. However, because we are 5, it does make it more difficult. After reading through this, I think I've narrowed it down.
A) Apartment Piazza San Marco
=> + love the idea of being close to St. Mark's Square, has 3 bedrooms, very good price for November, love the idea of a terrace (we are hearty folk and sit outside in all temps!).
- concerned about the lack of elevator
B) Ca'leonessa
=> looks good, nothing really jumps out.
C) Ca Della Squero (holiday rentals)
=> prefer to deal with agencies than individual owners, but seems to be a good location and nice bright apartment.
d) Hotel American
=> they have apartments that look nice. My guess is that prices will be higher than a private or agency rental.
E) Fenice
=> definitely has the wow! factor. but also carries the wow! price when looking at November and low season.
- don't like the limited photos- none of bedrooms or bathrooms.
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hi surfmom,
well, they all look pretty good. However, the first one could be up a LOT of steps, which your 7 & 9 year olds [not to mention you] might get rather fed up of. also, luggage for 5 people, 2 of whom probably can't carry it, could be a pain.
personally i would not bother too much about having an outdoor space in November, but if the weather were good, you could regret that. only you know.
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Things may be different when travelling with three little ones, but any outside space seems totally redundant in Venice for so few days. You will not want to waste time in your own space when there are so many delightful places to sit and/or drink and eat in Venice.
I also like Dorsoduro to stay in, it is a short hop away from San Marco without the mad crowds and the Zattere is a good open place for a stroll, drink and ice cream. -
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I am amazed at the information in this thread...not to mention that it has now been going from almost 5 1/2 years!
I have found the following place that looks good for our family of four in August. Wondering what "those in the know" think of it:
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Your threads are always interesting, Franco! So much info shared here by everyone - amazing!
We just returned from our second trip to Venice. It was a short visit - 3 nights - so we stayed in a hotel. We had a wonderful time in Venice with our son and his wife.
Next time we go, perhaps we will consider an apartment as I love to cook a few meals even when we are on vacation! -
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You might also want to take a look at these apartments-
Both are 2 BR + a sofa couch. I have seen these apartments and feel they are both great for a family. Lots of room, beautifully recently redone, nice location (Dorsoduro) and a wonderful owner. The Pugni apartment has a patio area. I have stayed in her other, smaller apartment many times and love it.
Email the owner to find out prices and availability. I'm guessing they are less than 200E a night. -
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Hi Surfmon, we have booked Ca'Leonessa for October next year for 4 nights, for 2 couples. Therefore I can't give you any first hand knowledge but I spend many, many hours searching like you have done. I thought the price and the area were just right for us. The owner has been very quick to respond to emails and we had easy deposit payment by Paypal. The rate is 170 Euros per night.
As its is fairly new to the market I couldn't find many reviews but did contact a lady through TA and we exchanged a few emails, she had nothing but praise for the apartment. -
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Hello everybody, amazed at the activity on this thread! As usual, I'm commenting on location, not on apartment aesthetics since this is entirely a matter of individual taste. Let me just remark that I don't see any reason why the Truly Venice apartment should be so much more expensive than the others - the view is certainly beautiful, but the price is not. Also locationwise, this wouldn't be my top choice; while the spot where it's located is pretty, you always have to walk through the least beautiful part of San Marco to and from the apartment (the stretch between S. Maria del Giglio and the Piazza).
Even though crowds are certainly not a problem in November (a month when there are virtually no tourists, and the Venetians have their city finally for themselves), let me take the opportunity, once more, to contest the myth that S. Marco is crowded and Dorsoduro is peaceful. In some spots, Dorsoduro can be far more crowded with tourists than most parts of S. Marco, and this is particularly true anywhere around the Guggenheim and the Accademia - where the Hotel American is located. I wouldn't consider it even in November, though, since I don't also think the square where it's located is pretty.
Ca' Leonessa and Ai Pugni are practically in the same location (must be adjoining buildings, more or less), which is very busy, as well, but nonetheless very pleasant - busy with Venetians, so it will be busy in November, too! I wouldn't consider this location for a short stay of merely three nights, though: if you need a vaporetto, your only possibility is line 1 from Ca' Rezzonico, and line 1 is so mind-bogglingly slow!!
Two apartments that are in really peaceful, out-of-the-way Dorsoduro locations are Ca' dello Squero and Ca' Zucchero. Absolutely great, particularly Ca' dello Squero, which is in what I call one of the most beautiful and least known corners of Venice. Among the suggested apartments, this would be my top choice in summer, if I'd want to escape the crowds. Not an issue in November, as I said; so I'd give it a second thought: of course, those away-from-it-all locations are not just beautiful but also time-consuming, and you have merely three days, Surfmom.
So in November, I'd quite certainly opt for the so-called Piazza S. Marco apartment (which is of course not on but really close to Piazza S. Marco). Bacino Orseolo, which is overlooked by that apartment, is a stunningly beautiful corner - and a major center of tourist madness for most of the year. But November would provide the rare opportunity to really enjoy the beauty of that location without tripping over french-fries-munching tourists on your doorstep whenever leaving home. By the way, as far as outdoor sitting, when in November do you travel? Up to mid-November, Venice has quite always mild and pleasant weather; towards November 20th, temperature is usually dropping so quickly that even extremely hearty folk would be unable to sit outside (around the Festa della Salute, November 21st, it's often between 0 and 5 degrees Celsius).
jamierin, the location of "your" apartment hotel is wonderful, especially in August (away from the crowds!, authentic and pretty), you just must not believe anything they say on their website: very close to Rialto, haha! Two minutes from Piazza S. Marco, hahahaha (this is a hotel, not a dovecot, right? so they're renting to bipeds, not to birds, right?). -
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annhig/tarquin, good points about the weather and steps. I just wish that first had an elevator -
zoecat, funny you mention those - I had them bookmarked and forgot about them. I think they are booked our dates, but I'll email her for confirmation.
Maudie, thanks for chiming in! I had decided that Ca'Leonessa was the way to go... and they don't have availability. duoh.
jamierin, those look nice. I'm concerned that they feel a little small compared to other apartments for 5 people, but they seem to be more high-end than some of the other options.
One thing I've started to pay attention to: extra fees. The apartments we've rented other places are "all in" whereas, I need to pay attention to:
- cleaning fees (as high as E150 - over 3 nights, that is E50/night extra... wow!)
- extra person fees - even though they are for 4/6 people, the price listed is for 4 people and it is extra for the 5th person
- "meet and greet" fees - usually E35 - E50 for someone to meet you at the apartment and give you keys
- city tax - E2.50/person/night additional.
geez, I need a spreadsheet to track what is included where. I usually find a range of prices that works, but some of these extras can be big numbers! -
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surfmom - that's why a hotel may be a better option for such a short stay - no extras [unless you make free with the mini-bar]
have you tried venere.com or any of the other booking sites to see what they can offer you? - for example 2 rooms, a double and a triple adjoining might work quite well.
As ever Franco has given the BEST advice about location. if the only thing putting you off the "san marco" apartment is the lack of a lift, despite what I said before can it really be so bad for 3 days, when everything else is so much in its favour?
get those kids practising carrying their cases now! -
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annhig, thanks for coming back and responding.
While I get your point about hotels, we're not hotel fans. We like the space of an apartment, the refrig space, the ability to eat meals/snacks in, and I like the washing machine!
I think we've decided to do the San Marco apartment - I love the light, the location, the extra bedroom is a bonus. I'm confirming with the agent now what the 'extras' for that specific apartment will be.
As for the steps... we travel "relatively" light - this is the end of the trip, so we will have exploded somewhat, but everyone will have a carryon (small) backpack and by then we'll have 4 duffel/roller bags by then (they are be checkable size - so not huge). I have no doubt we can make it! In fact, it wasn't unusual at our apartment in Paris for the kids to race me... they took the stairs, I took the elevator - and we were on the 3rd floor there.
The kids carry the roller bags - but up stairs, I won't make them.
The fact that the other apartments didn't have availability made the decision easier! -
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surfmom- good choice. our first apartment in Rome [ie the first one we rented, we do not unfortunately own one] was on what was described as the fourth floor, which turned out to mean it was at the top of 8 long flights of stairs, and to get to the terrace, there were two more. by the end of that week we were fit.
what made it better still was that DS, then 15, decided to take over the breakfast duties and went out every morning to buy the cornetti for all of us, from the local cafe. I'm not sure to this day how he managed this as he speaks virtually no italian, but we always got our pastries.
Probably your kids are a bit young for this, but it's a thought! -
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deedeedee, you'd better start your own thread or post on any of the countless Florence threads - this one is strictly about Venice, and you won't get the requested responses here.
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Does anyone have any comments about the location of the Hotel Flora?
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Of course - the same comments as on the Truly Venice apartment a few posts above, except that this hotel is precisely IN and not near that less-than-pretty stretch.
What's wrong with "your" apartment hotel at San Lorenzo? -
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Hello Franco,
I have not given up on "my" apartment entirely! It is just that we may decide that a hotel is the way to go for us for a variety of reasons including the extra service and breakfast that is included in the rate.
The two hotels that looked good for us were the Hotel Flora (as menitoned above - but you have advised that the location is not really desirable) and the Hotel Campiello: http://www.hcampiello.it/inglese/index.php
Thank you for your time and input. I am really learning a lot. -
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jamierin, if the other hotel location was less than advisable, this one is a pure nightmare in August. That's one of the major centers of tourist crowd madness, and I wouldn't stay there if I got paid for (in August, that is).
As far as breakfast, you don't say you want to have breakfast at a hotel, do you? That's a big no-no in Italy. Hotel breakfast is always bad, and every sane person (local or tourist) has breakfast at the (coffee) bar next corner. Italian bars, IMHO, are the only dignified place to have a quick breakfast anywhere on this planet, and even if I'm booked into a hotel in Italy, I always skip breakfast there (even if I'm paying for it), and go next corner... -
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I couldn't agree more about Italian hotel breakfasts. Sometimes we try breakfast on the first day, but have lost interest by the second day. For starters, the coffee is NEVER good enough.
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A due update: the owners of La Rosa di Venezia (see above: www.rosadivenezia.com, for those who don't know it yet) are now working with a new check-in/check-out person, who is just brilliant. The former was certainly more typically Italian (far above on this thread, we were talking about things like Italian punctuality), but the new one actually seems like the impersonation of Teutonic precision (though being Italian herself, as well!), which has some definite advantages, particularly for tourists who are less acquainted with Italy than yours truly, so I thought I'd let everyone know.
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Bob, your remark to the owner might seem unfair since it's certainly not his fault that I didn't report about the new agent earlier on this thread - she has been in charge for quite a while now, I first met her more than one year ago. I just thought I must finally tell about her on this thread since I was in Venice in December and once more impressed with her precision.
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I also told him and was told the former gal was great.
I phoned her 3 times from USA with no return call and she sent a maid to give us the orientaiton--she spoke no Engish.
It cost Robert several potential clients from me. -
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Well, I didn't certainly mean to imply that the former greeter was NOT great - in my experience (which may be considered reliable enough: I must have met her certainly 15 or 20 times in person, plus several of her collaborators), she was always admirably kind and helpful. (The quality of service offered by the collaborators certainly varied from one person to another.)
But let's not argue about things that are now of historical interest, at best - I'd be very surprised if you and your clients wouldn't love the new lady! Let me put it this way: if the former was an impersonation of how Italy works (always excellently, though most often not as it's supposed to by the rest of the world - not just tourists, for that matter, but also rating agencies, for instance!), the new one is a Swiss watch incarnate. -
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Hi Franco, can you please let me know what you think of this apartment - Ca San Sebastiano - http://www.holidaylettings.co.uk/rentals/venice,-veneto/31744
I would really appreciate your feedback.
We are family of four two teens aged 19 & 17 staying 3 nights - if that helps
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Well, this is certainly a very nice part of Venice, but I think it depends on how much time you're going to spend in Venice. For a very short stay (3 or 4 nights), I wouldn't consider it since it's not centrally located, and you'd lose much precious time. For a longer stay, or if you already know Venice well and don't need to be near the main sightseeing areas, I'd rent it in a heartbeat (it also seems very beautiful!).
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Thanks. I did think it was lovely. I will have a look at your other suggestions. Your very first one Rosa Di Venezia is for up to three people. I need 4 comfortably. Considering the few nights we are staying is there any that spring to mind or an area I should concentrate on. Our young adults will be off on their own so somewhere they won't get lost. Or should we let them
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when I saw what franco had written I was expecting this apartment to be out by the Arsenale or somewhere else equally far flung. in fact, it's in a very nice area in which you might spend quite a lot of time anyway - sitting eating a gelato on the Zattere, hopping on a vaporetto, exploring dorsodoro, and the academia area, [and all the way up to the Frari and Rialto markets] - they are just as far from san marco as this apartment, if not further.
by all means look for somewhere more "central", but I wouldn't dismiss this one out of hand.
BTW, the last time we went to Venice with our two "young adults" it was us who went out one night and got lost - and they didn't even notice! -
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First of all, Zerlina's post was no. 300 on this thread, so let's raise our glasses, wherever each of us may be
Sorry, dear ladies, but I have to respectfully insist on what I said earlier, since Google Maps supports my own memory: to Rialto market, from the apartment kcnewby found, it's 1500 meters; from where I usually stay, really close to Piazza S. Marco, 650 meters. All that may not seem much to who doesn't know Venice well, but you have to find your way along those 1500 meters... Google Maps walks 19 minutes, but they certainly don't get lost; nor do I, and I still wouldn't bet I can do it in 19 minutes. If you don't know the city very well, and if you get lost, those 19 minutes can easily become 1.5 hours, I'm not kidding.
But no doubt, the S. Sebastiano/Ognissanti area (where that apartment is located) is one of Venice's prettiest, nicest and least touristy, and two important sightseeing spots are in fact easier to get to from there than from the city center: Frari/S. Rocco and the Accademia; actually, three, the third being S. Sebastiano proper, though nobody staying for 3 nights ever visits S. Sebastiano. So I don't say I'm against that area, on the contrary; I just say you have to know that for a Venice "newby" (not sure whether your screen name is also true for Venice, kc, but to me it seemed so), it means losing some time. -
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I don't know about you, Franco, but I never raise a glass at 7:03 am or even 7:49 am, not even to celebrate...
Most visitors to Venice will buy vaporetto passes. The apartment is close to the Zattere stop; it's a short and almost completely straight shot to the Ca Rezzonico stop. From Zattere, vaporetti go to San Marco. From Ca Rezzonico, they go almost anywhere in Venice, including San Marco and Rialto. -
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Zerlina, did I say what's in that glass? It might be milk, or orange juice!
Admittedly, if you plan on going by vaporetto anyway, then location doesn't count much in Venice since you'll waste enormous amounts of time anyway. I use vaporetti (probably the slowest public transport anywhere on Earth) only on arrival and departure, with luggage, or when going to one of the lagoon islands - never in town. -
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We loved our recent apartment - would easily handle you and your family. (we are a family of 5 people).
The only downside... climbing stairs. However, I found it really wasn't a big deal.
We *loved* location - near San Marco. Always easy to find a sign pointing to San Marco if ever lost. We found it easy to walk almost everywhere. Yes, we used the vaporetto, but for the central locations, was great just to walk.
- apartment was great - laundry facilities, 3 bedrooms, 2 bathrooms, wifi, outdoor balcony (which we didn't use, but was always good to check the temperature before leaving), lots of living space, couches, and areas to spread out. We would stay there again.
I love at night, after dinner, going for about a 30 minute walk to see the city. We loved walking to San Marco and seeing the lions at night (and my kids loved the red lions next to San Marco). Was about a 10 minute walk (I think?) to the grocery store. I can't tell you the name, but I know how we got there (at San Marco, turn right past red lions, cross large canal, go past tee shirt store on right, turn left, and it is on the right side). I think it was a Coop? -
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Thanks everyone for your feedback and yes Franco 'newby' is finest timer to Italy.
Your point about being lost for the 1.5 hrs is a good one and fine if we were there for longer so yes, I will look at other options but keep this on the list..
Annhig - I think after three weeks together us parents will be looking to get lost, can't wait.
I do like the areas that you pointed out and they are on my 'things to see' list, admittedly there are too many things on that list so I need to pull back.
Surfmom- that apartment looks stunning. It is pricier, we will be there during their peak time, however I am happy to look at lots of different options at this stage. -
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Franco, can you add your thoughts to these three addresses?
Sarai Apartments
1. Address: San Marco 603, 30124 Venice
2. Address: San Polo 885
3. Address: Santa Croce 2152
Hope they make sense. They are all two BR apartments.
I'm not familiar with the areas of numbers 2&3.
I'm finding it quite difficult to find accomodation for the four of us (two older teens) as I am wanting space, and concerned when they only have a sofa bed for the kids, my son is 1.91cm tall so think its best for them to have separate beds and a lot of places offer a double and sofa bed.
We will be there for 3 nights early October. -
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The San Marco apartment is in midst of the most touristy, most bustling part of the S. Marco district, so that's not where I'd want to stay. The two others are in excellent locations; I would prefer the one in S. Polo, both because it's a bit closer to most places you want to go (and definitely much easier to find your way), and because you can't beat that neighbourhood in terms of beauty.
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Hello Franco! First let me thank you so much for all the time you take to answer all our queries and provide your very helpful insight. I know it takes time, and I, for one appreciate it greatly.
This will be our first visit to Venice, and for some reason I am finding it somewhat nervous-making trying to select the "just right" place to stay. I have been looking for something in San Polo, and certain areas of San Marco (near Rialto) but nothing was clicking for me. If one were to draw a circle with Rialto as the center, perhaps 1Km wide, I was looking to stay around the perimeters of that circle (if that makes any sense for ease of visualization.)
However, I have just now, somewhat spontaneously made a tentative reservation (i.e., one that can be cancelled at no charge) with Hotel Foscari Palace. What is your opinion of that area? I very much would love a canal view (although I was not looking for a view of the Grand Canal specifically) and I think we'll be able to easily walk to most restaurants that I am eyeing. As for sightseeing during the day, we will take the vaporetto as much as possible to shorten our walks, as I am presently recovering from foot surgery. This hotel is a little over our intended budget, but not so much as to make us uncomfortable. (The final week of this trip will be in Umbria, where I think we will be able to balance out this expense, happily.)
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hanabilly, thank you for your kind words.
I'm not sure I understand - why "was looking", and why "however"? Campo Santa Sofia (where that hotel is located) IS within a 1 km circle from Rialto - it's merely 500 meters to walk. The location is good; while Strada Nova is not the most beautiful feature of Venice (not a historical street, it was only created as late as the 19th century, and remains a modern sore in the urban fabric), S. Sofia is close enough to charming historical quarters, plus the traghetto to the fish market (mornings only) is in front of the hotel, so on mornings at least, you can reach the other side of Canal Grande in a heartbeat.
However, if I were to stay on Campo S. Sofia, I would certainly choose another hotel: the Ca' Sagredo, http://www.casagredohotel.com/, which is of major architectural importance as a palazzo, and also cheaper than Foscari Palace, as far as I see on the web, plus much more tastefully furnished and restored IMO. -
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Thanks for the reply. When I wrote that yesterday, in my mind I saw Foscari as further up the canal closer to the train station. Upon double checking the map, I see that it is much closer to Rialto, so, I am thinking, very convenient. Will check out Casa Gredo.
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LOL I see I just tried to turn that hotel into a Spanish destination! Uh - I will check out Ca' Sagredo now ;o)
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Franco, yes you are so right- that hotel is beautiful - simply stunning. However, the price showing online is about 80E more than I was quoted for Foscari, which is already pushing the limits of our budget. We will have to simply enjoy a stroll through the public areas and perhaps a drink at their bar. I really don't mind that Foscari's rooms (the standard rooms) are on the plain side. They appear roomy and light-filled and the bathrooms well-appointed.
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Oh my goodness, Franco, I have to thank you SO much for introducing me to this hotel! And jamierin, thank you for advising me that it may be on Luxury Link. When I went to that site it was currently on auction. I placed a bid and won!
Oh my, here we go! I am so excited; we'll be going in October. Now the real planning begins. -
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Congratulations! The praise goes to jamierin - I had not the faintest idea so far what Luxury Link is!
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Thanks to both of you. This just goes to show that one should never disregard something thinking it's out of their budget. There's always a way! That's my philosophy on travel in general. People I know who don't choose to travel hear of the trips we take and must think we have a secret stash of cash somewhere. My husband and I live a very moderate lifestyle. If you make something a priority, it can happen for you.
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I am so happy for you hanabilly! I am of the same mindset as you. Never say never.
The hotel looks outstanding! I would have bid on a family room there for my trip but the maximum number in the junior suite is 3 and we have 2 kids with us.
Have a terrific time and post a report when you return please. I want to hear all about it! -
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Will do.
I have dreamed of Venice my entire life.
That hotel is so stupendous - We're going to be like the country cousins come a'callin' so I should have some good stories upon my return ;o)
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