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Which cuisines does Los Angeles do better than anywhere else in the US? Discuss.
Hey all, so I was wondering, what food does LA do better than anywhere else in the country?
The reason I ask is because I feel LA is not lauded as a top US food city but it sure seems like we do some ethnic cuisine really good.
I seriously have no knowledge of other cities' food scenes, mainly I'm just curious.
But, it seems to me that we must do Thai pretty good, given that we have the largest Thai population outside Thailand. I especially imagine LA does regional Thai really well with restaurants like Jitlada (southern) and Spicy BBQ (Isaan.)
How about Vietnamese? I figure our main rival is the bay area?
Mexican? Jewish Delis? Ethiopian? Persian? Help me figure this out!
All Asian, Mexican, Central, South American, vegetarian, "farm fresh," "fast-casual," "gastro-pub" cuisines, hamburgers, and it's not really close.
re: PommeDeGuerre
Peruvian and Colombian food has also been a strength for Miami. I remember driving out to Kendall to a Peruvian restaurant recommended by my co-worker. It's filled with Peruvian restaurants out there.
With the recent influx of Brazillians and already a large community in Boca Raton I don't see how LA even competes.
Regarding vegetarian in SF...they pretty much started that farm to table stuff. I'm sure this conversation would be much different on the SF boards.
But as you say, to each their own.
re: Porthos
I can't speak for Miami and S.American cuisines, but SF definitely does vegetarian better than LA -- in all aspects.
Where in LA can you find a vegetarian pizza joint (Source), or a high-end restaurant dedicated to vegetarian TM (e.g. Millenimum) or multiple non-veg places with vegetarian TM options (e.g. Gary Danko and Fleur De Lys).
And even their vegan/vegetarian Japanese places (like Minaok or Cha-Ya) are better than LA's one lone contender of Shojin.
Although I will say that I think LA's Ethiopian and Chinese vegetarian are probably better than SF's counterparts.
re: Porthos
I wonder when people coronate LA for "X" cuisine if they've even lived in the other cities in contention. Visiting for however many times for business or vacation just isn't the same.
_______________I'm not so sure that's true.
In many ways I think it's better not to have lived in a city when judging the quality of the city's ethnic cuisines. Tenure often breeds ossified biases, that a frequent visitors does not fall prey to.
re: ipsedixit
Tenure often breeds ossified biases, that a frequent visitors does not fall prey to.
Ironic position for this thread don't you think? ;-)As a visitor you're going to some occasion/visitor worthy spot on your visits. How many spots in Spanish Harlem have you tried in NYC in all your trips? Not Patsy's but I mean the local places you see walking up York or 1st Ave.
As someone that lives in a city, you can make long treks out for low end neighborhood stuff and explore because you have the time and you've already done the more recognized places so many times over. It's no big deal losing out a couple of meals in the spirit of exploration. But if you're in town for a week, a couple of meals becomes a significant percentage.
Your point about not being mired only with one perspective I agree with. Which was my point with so many self proclaimed "LA does it best" threads. Living in multiple cities gives one both the perspective of other cities but also the depth of exploration.
re: Porthos
One doesn't need to explore every single nook and cranny to have an educated opinion about a city's culinary strengths.
For example, I don't need to have eaten at all 3 (or is it 4) St. Louise BBQ joints selling snoots to make an educated determination that STL does snoots better than LA.
re: ipsedixit
No. But if one hasn't explored Spanish Harlem or Elmhurst or Jackson Heights, that is large swaths of fine cuisine and communities one is not accounting for when one proclaims LA king for "x". It would be like missing out on SGV or Torrance.
For example, I do know there is a large number of Central American restaurants in Queens. But I haven't had much exposure there or here to say it definitely goes either way. I suspect it could go to NY even though an educated guess based on proximity would say LA wins.
One would guess SF has good sushi given its location and population, but for some odd reason, it doesn't. Sometimes there is no substitute for experience.
Educated is very relative. How one crowns LA best in so many categories with such conviction is a bit telling.
re: Porthos
I think that's the wrong perspective to take for this thread.
This, like you've noted, is a thread on the LA board and hence the answers and responses must be deplaned with the understanding that they are what LA 'Hounds think LA does best.
It may not be objectively accurate (if there even is such a thing when it comes to "best" or "favorite" when it comes to food) but it is informative nonetheless.
re: Porthos
>>>So a more objective multi-city perspective is the wrong perspective?<<<
In this case I actually think it is.
>>>LA does so many things so well there's no need to embellish. It doesn't have to be number 1 in everything.<<<
While I agree with you that there's no need to embellish, I don't think anyone has so far yet declared LA to be the best food destination in the universe.
If someone does can we agree that we'll both take that person behind the woodshed and take turns ...
I've been in L.A. for a week and have eaten two Thai meals, at Pa Ord and Ruen Pair, and am reminded how much better the Thai food is here than in NYC, where I live. It's hard to find boat noodle soup anywhere in NY, let alone an outstanding one like Pa Ord's. Ruen Pair might not be at the very highest level, but with its big menu, it's commendable how many doubles and triples they hit along with the home runs and occasional strikeout.
The best of Chicago Thai restaurants might be better than the best in L.A., but there are fewer of them. Lotus of Siam (and possibly Chada Thai) is outstanding, but they tower over the competition in Las Vegas (although the general level of Thai food in Las Vegas has improved drastically in the past 20 years).
re: Dave Feldman
Are you still here? Try the boat noodles at Sapp Coffee shop if you are. Also try the crispy pork with chile garlic. Jade noodles are also different. I'm also a fan of the steamed chicken with rice and the pork leg with rice. Crab fried rice with crab paste is also delicious.
I'm a fan of Ruen Pair. It's not the most innovative, nor the spiciest, and it doesn't have a crazy pungent Southern Thai menu, but it's just delicious solid standard Thai.
re: Porthos
Sapp has always been my go-to place for boat noodles in L.A. I wanted to have my friends have a wider variety than Sapp offers, and didn't feel like Jitlada, so Ruen Pair it was.
Agree completely re: Ruen Pair.
Little known fact. Bank Atchawaran's (of Lotus of Siam and now Chada Thai) father was the owner of Ruen Pair for a long time. He now has retired and lives in Las Vegas.
re: Dave Feldman
and didn't feel like Jitlada, so Ruen Pair it was
Isn't this funny? As much as it is "LA's best Thai" and as unique as it is, I find myself not feeling like Jitlada more often than not and preferring "regular" Thai food. I'm perfectly happy with Thai Nankorn down here in Garden Grove.
L.A. makes the best donuts in the U.S.A. If you vist L.A. and fail to sample some donuts, then you have not been to L.A. The reason why we have the best is because unlike the other cities which have been taken over by the big donut devils, L.A. has thousands of small Mom and Pop donuts stands.
Peacock Donuts (Any cake donut here is maybe the best in L.A., OMG, try the plain cake and ask for one that is well done.)
34 E Duarte Rd
Arcadia, CA 91006
(626) 445-6564A.M. Donuts (Best Glazed donut in L.A. Area. Like the Helms truck use to bring down the street when I was a kid; big pillow of air)
34 W. Las Tunas Dr.
Arcadia, CA 91007
(626) 574-0160
One Block West of Santa Anita Ave. Across the street form Rite AidDonut Man (Giant crazy filled donuts, bear claws)
915 E Route 66
Glendora, CA 91740-3608
(626) 335-9111Primo's Doughnuts (a special different kind of Glazed and very fresh, made all day buttermilk)
2918 Sawtelle Blvd.
Los Angeles CA 90064
Cross National. South of 10, West of 405 -
re: JeetJet
Sorry dude, the only donut shop on your list that is of even notable significance is Donut Man (simply b/c of their size and the unique way they make their fruit, i.e. strawberry and peach, donuts "open faced") but the other ones?
They're good, but they're run-of-the-mill donut shops. I wouldn't drive more than 5 minutes out of my way for any of them.
re: ipsedixit
yah thats very true haha
donut plant: although i really only like 2 of the donuts there, but those 2 are really good
https://www.lauhound.com/2010/11/donu...donut pub: this place is a solid donut shop, but there are tons of donut shops like this one in LA
brooklyn: there are several well known ones out in brooklyn as you pointed out; Dough, Peter Pan, Dun Well
i've been sort of obsessed with the donut holes @ sorella in the LES, they are so good. They come out fresh to order and the glaze is still melted, they also make the glaze slightly salty as well, they are really good
re: WildSwede
Well, see that's sort of what I mean by Donut Man.
The uniqueness of their fruit donuts (who else makes an open face donut that shares more in common with a classic "strawberry shortcake" than an actual donut) is what makes Donut Man significant in the donut universe.
And part of the reason why I think Donut Man's other donuts are generally so highly praised is b/c the turnover is so high at that place. Nothing like fresh, hot donuts. Nothing.
re: ipsedixit
when i was in high school there was a place in newport that would start cooking their donuts at like 3am and if you went there the owner was really nice and would open up the store for you and sell you buttermilk donuts. Freshly fried with glaze dripping off them...amazing with some cold milk
re: Lau
It's what makes Chinese (or Taiwanese) and Japanese white bread so soft and springy. Water roux is called "Tangzhong Starter".
Water roux is basically a method where a "roux" is added to a bread recipe. This roux, along with usually, eggs and milk, makes a uniquely soft textured bread, that is supposed to maintain it's softness and freshness for considerably longer than breads without the roux.
To make the water roux, you essentially use 5:1 ratio of water to flour, combine, then gently heat it and warm it, cover and store in fridge for later use in bread.
re: Lau
Check this list out.
Outside of Taiwan itself, the cities with the highest number of Taiwanese (born) are the following (in order):
1. San Marino
2. Arcadia
3. Rowland Heights
4. Hacienda Heights
5. Walnut
6. Temple CityThe utter concentration in SGV was surprising even to me.
Full list: http://www.city-data.com/top2/h75.html
re: ipsedixit
23 million people in taiwan, not going to happen haha...all of greater LA would be taiwanese haha
that actually happened in NY, there are more puerto ricans here than there are in PR
i mean the diaspora of chinese who immigrated is kind of weird if you think about it, chao zhou, guangdong people mainly from taishan, hakka, minnan people from fujian...these are very specific subsets of chinese that seem to have done most of the migration
i mean im technically part of the weird super specific diaspora haha
re: Lau
Historically it was a kinship thing--you followed your friends and relatives to the U.S. That's why in early 20th century Toishan and current day Fujian, there were/are many towns where all of the adult males were living in the U.S. scoopG can provide the details. Not sure what is driving the Taiwanese to Southern and Northern California, though.
re: Chandavkl
i think alot of taiwanese came in like the late 60s and 70s b/c there were better economic opportunities here although taiwan underwent somewhat of an economic transformation, so i life has gotten better there
i also think its for the same reasons as the others, tons of taiwanese people here all know each other, went to high school,from the same area in taiwan etc
re: Lau
I think alot of the Taiwanese fled the island during the mid/late 80s and early 90s as a "silent" revolt to the Separatist Party (DPP) taking control.
What's driving it now is simply money. They've got lots of it, and the QOL is just better in the States than in Taiwan.
I mean, heck, no typhoons, no cockroaches the size of your shoes, no miserable humidity, plus the older generation can (ahem) game the system and get free healthcare.
re: ipsedixit
I've heard that there more more Taishan descendants living overseas than the number who actually reside in Taishan. But given Taiwan's population, it would take a long time for that to happen as well as some major calamity to move them overseas. The Irish and Taishanese both had famines to push them overseas.
re: raytamsgv
yah i believe alot of people in guangdong (taishan, chao zhou) and fujian (minnan) provinces were driven away by wars and such. that's how my family ended up here, wrong side of the communist revolution. actually the plan was to flee to taiwan if the communists ever made headway, but it happened too fast and it happened that america was a better option for them to flee to for a variety of reasons. in theory i could've ended up growing up in taiwan
you know we ended up with sriracha sauce b/c of that haha. the guy who owns it is chao zhou ethnically, his father fled to vietnam and then he fled vietnam after the war when there was huge persecution of chinese in vietnam (they controlled most of the economy, massive backlash similar to what's happened in malaysia and indonesia) and then he started sriracha sauce in LA chinatown
I wonder if LA kushiyaki (yakitori) standards are high compared to other places?
Torihei, Kokkekkoko, Yakitoriya, Shin Sen Gumi, Ojiya and some of the others sprinkled in West LA and the Torrance/Gardena can easily hang with places I've tried in Japan. Then again I've never gone kushiyaki hunting elsewhere in the states.
Indonesian. Heck, the ones I had in LA not only trumped those I'd tried elsewhere in the US, they were even more authentic than what I'd find back in my hometown in Singapore, mere minutes away from the nearest Indonesian islands.
re: Lau
Java Spice comes to mind at the top of my head - it was so good, I actually went back there on 3 consecutive nights. The cooking there were 100% authentic - like those I'd find in Java, Indonesia.
Indonesian restaurants in Singapore, on the other hand, tweaked their dishes to suit Singaporean tastes.
BTW, Banana Bay Thai restaurant nearby also served up better Thai food than I'd ever found in the San Francisco Bay Area, in comparison.
re: klyeoh
yah its awful...i always tell my friends in HK that if someone came and opened up a proper mexican restaurant in HK, they could charge outrageous prices and you would have a packed house every night plus i feel like mexican food is conducive to drinking so you could charge people a fortune for alcohol too
re: klyeoh
There's definitely a lot of good Indonesian in LA. Just off the top of my head, Simpang Asia, Ramanyani, Chicky BBQ, Janty Noodle, Merrys House of Chicken, Java Spice, Little Java (Closed??) and the two new players Borneo Kalimantan (Alhambra) & Banana Leaf (Temple City) are also pretty good.
I'm not sure if they're better than Singapore, but my Indonesian/Singaporean friends say Indonesian food in spore is just "ok", so they just might be!
re: Dirtywextraolives
I don't think they are related. I have not asked either restaurant, but the menu items are different (and taste different). It may just be a case of using the same name, since banana leaves are used to wrap many of the nasi (rice) items.
Since we're on that topic, "Singapores Banana Leaf"'s quality has been going down for a long time. I stopped going after 2-3 back to back visits left me disappointed.
re: Lau
I guess best is relative, but my indonesian friends tend to pick simpang asia, java spice, and janty noodle. Chicky BBQ also makes a lot of the lunchboxes at various small indonesian markets so they (indonesians) may like that as well.
I personally like banana leaf (temple city), janty noodle, java spice, and kalimantan.
re: Lau
That's why I qualified it as so I am told. My Indian cuisine needs are pretty basic and I can't discern which spice profiles make one better than the other after a certain level of quaility.
Get thee to Shamshiri grill the next time you are in town. The stews are good but I also really like their koobideh (lamb, chicken, beef, it's all good).
re: Porthos
oh man i love koobideh especially with some yogurt and rice...man im getting hungry, i really want some tadig too, i love that stuff. i usually eat at darya in orange county, but ill def check out shamshiri grill
re: indian food - interesting, ill look into it next time im at home. I actually only really started eating indian food when i got to NYU bc my roommate happened to be from bombay, so he showed me the ropes and eventually i took a trip out there and spent 3 weeks in bombay. i thought the food was great there although after 3 weeks i started getting tired of it, but between a ton of home cooked meals at college friends family's houses in NJ and spending 3 weeks in bombay i got a good sense for what indian food should taste like well at least bombay / maharashtran and gujarati food. Saying indian food is sort of like saying chines food, there are just so many different states that are hugely different
re: Lau
You just reminded me of when I lived in Boston with Bengali roommates. They were kind enough to invite me over for dinner with their family. The food and flavors were eye opening. Even more so because there were at least 5 different fish dishes. Each one so different and nuanced. They insisted I ate with my hands. Frustrating as hell for the glutton in me because I wanted a shovel so I could inhale every bit. Haven't seen anything like it since.
re: Porthos
I don't know if I'd say LA has the best Indian food in the US. There are a couple of good ones and a lot of really terrible ones. From having lived in the bay area and spending a lot of time in NYC, I find that's true of an major metropolitan city. It really depends on the type of experience you want.
re: Lau
Jay Bharat is a fantastic, more refined version of what you'd see on the street in Mumbai. Of their chaat, the Dahi Puri is absolutely stunning (and their Gujarati thalis are also fantastic, but nobody talks about them).
Surati Farsan Mart is also excellent, but the menu is longer and more complex. It also is a better (cleaner, fresher, brighter) version of chaat than much of what you'd see in Mumbai.
Mumbai Ki Galliyon Se tries to provide "genuine" Gujarati street food. Some folks love it, some hate it. I fall somewhere in between.
Ambala Sweets and Snacks is fine, much more authentically "street," but less bright and fresh tasting, and they can go a bit overboard with the yogurt... so any dahi items tend to be a plate of yogurt soup with chaat floating in it.
If I'd never had Gujerati food before I'd get a thali and Dahi Puri at Jay Bharat, share it with a friend, and then walk across the street and order Bhel Puri and a dosa at Surati Farsan Mart... and I'd dine in confidence that I was experiencing the best of both.
re: Kalivs
I probably agree with your point of view. My Indian cuisine consumption probably represents 1 per 50-100 restaurant excursions. My bay area Indian is limited to Amber in Mountain View (nice Goan fish curry with Halibut) and a couple Indian spots in Jackson Heights near some well known fortune teller when I lived in NYC.
As others have noted in the past, the greater Los Angeles are is one of the best *eating* metropolitan areas in the US, but is not necessarily one of the best *dining* metropolitan areas.
I agree with the others: Korean, Chinese, Vietnamese, and Mexican food in the LA area are easily the best. Although other areas may have some restaurants that might be better (e.g. Koi Palace), the breadth of high-quality choices is amazing.
I would love to hear how the Bay Area rivals Little Saigon.
re: ns1
San Jose is pretty strong.
Had some great meals here:
The bun rieu oc and pho ap chao bo are excellent.
Having had more time to explore Little Saigon, I am amazed by the options. But I didn't scour San Jose enough to definitively say Little Saigon is better.
And if it weren't for Koi Palace, LA would sweep Chinese but Koi Palace is better than Sea Harbour and Elite in every way. From the amount of seafood, to the quality, to the variety of preps, to the price point, to the BBQ suckling pig and duck and dim sum.
re: vulber
Source for this? I have never heard anything other than Little Saigon being the highest concentration of Vietnamese people in the US.
A quick googling/wiki says 100k in San Jose and 200k in Little Saigon.
I don't see how New York can compare to Torrance/Gardena (I'm not just talking about Sushi, rather japanese in general).
re: ns1
I don't see how New York can compare to Torrance/Gardena (I'm not just talking about Sushi, rather japanese in general).
ns1 you need to go to NYC more :)-They have 2 ramen chains from Japan. Ippudo and Setagaya
-As you alluded to, high end sushi there is better than high end here.
-They have multiple kaiseki options
-They have a tonkatsu specialist. I know there's one here too.
-Before Honmura An closed, they also had the best handmade udon and soba. Now that the guy retired, yeah, I-naba probably beats Soba-ya.Love the Japanese food here, but it's much closer than you think with high end kaiseki probably also going to NYC.
re: ns1
I get that high end is pretty much parity between both coasts, I'm really talking about the middle area.
It's the exact opposite. High end goes to NYC easily. It's not even close. Thank goodness for Red Medicine.Middle ground you may have parity.
Low end ethnic eats, LA is unrivaled by the sheer breadth and depth (not to say we're not missing certain niches here and there).
And since you've only visited NYC and never lived there, it's obviously hard for you to see the edge NYC would have over anything in our beloved LA ;-)
re: Porthos
first - number of japanese chains means very little, the quality doesn't always translate - SF also has men oh tokushima, which originates in japan too - but quality wise is nowhere some of the better places in SF with no japan location.
-LA also has at least as many japan-based ramen chains with tsujitsa and santouka
re: vulber
NYC area has Santouka. Right across the river in Jersey. I used to go there all the time before Ippudo and Setagaya opened. That leaves Tsujita vs Ippudo and Setagaya. But if number of chains doesn't mean a thing there's no point in bringing up Tsujita right?
I understand LA pride and all but let's give credit where credit is due.
Funny thing is SF and LA are always comparing their dining scenes to NYC (countless SF threads about SF Italian being better than NYC from someone who visited NYC once in 1980's). You won't hear NYC comparing their dining scene to either city. Maybe just me bitching about how the Cantonese food and Taiwanese food was so much better in LA compared to NYC Chinatown and Flushing when I lived there. People here love to add "Langer's is better than Katz's". No one eating at Katz's feels a need to compare to Langer's.
re: Porthos
re: japanese - at the high end NY is quite good as you said (arguably better than LA), but i think i like LA better for low end everyday kind of eating; i would say that 75-80% of my meals when i come home are either viet, japanese and mexican
re: soba - fyi Soba Ya isn't good, next time you're in town definitely either go to soba koh (traditional) or cocoron (non-traditional), so much better
https://www.lauhound.com/2011/03/soba...re: NYers comparing to LA - i think you're right, I dont think most people in NY compare NY to LA normally. The exception would be when you start getting foodie types talking about almost any asian food or mexican food inevitably LA comes up and also (in and out haha
)Persian - glad people reminded me of this, there was a good sized persian community at my high school, i grew eating there food at my friends houses and i really miss it, I definitely need to get some when i go home next time
re: Lau
I agree with this assessment on Japanese food in LA. For low-mid range restaurants, LA definitely beats NYC in terms of variety and quality. NYC does not have an awesome chain of casual Japanese eateries like LA's Curry House. Torrance/Gardena area has a ton of washoku places where you can eat very well for under $12 at lunch. In terms of Japanese bakeries, NYC does not compare to LA. Tustin's Cream Pan and even Mammoth Bakery are better than anything in NYC... that includes Parisienne in Fort Lee. That Japanese cake shop in Lomita (French name... forgot what it's called) is better than any place in NYC that I know of.
I don't really know the high-end scene in NYC too well. But I think where NYC does well is ramen. The ramen scene in NYC is pretty competitive, and there is some good ramen to be had there. One thing that NYC has that LA does not have is GoGo Curry... sure LA has Coco Ichibanya, but they're mediocre. The Bay area has some great ramen for that matter.
Vietnamese: In terms of pho, I can't say that LA (actually OC) is any better than San Jose. I've had great pho in both places. But one thing I will say is that OC has a greater variety of Vietnamese offerings, and I have not found a place like Brodard anywhere else.
re: chowmouse
Ramen: NY has a lot of ramen places, but honestly im pretty jaded about it and not really enomored with any of them; plenty of decent ramen, but nothing really outstanding.
Bakeries: NY doesn't have a great japanese bakery unfortunately, they're are some ok ones, but not a great one. I love Cream Pan btw, i go there all the time when I'm at home.
Variety: you are correct that torrance / gardena / lomita has a variety of stuff that just doesn't exist in NY. torihei blows all of the yakitori places out the water and there isn't an oden specialist in NY. Places like musha (very different), horon and i-naba don't exist in NY
Vietnamese: i haven't spent enough time in san jose to compare, but speaking of brodard, go to dat thanh next time. Their nem nuong is better than brodard's and their com tam is awesome as well. speaking of all this i have a bunch of little saigon posts i need to write that just reminded me
re: Porthos
i am counting torihei as an oden specialist, they make their own oden, i think that qualified them. i actually think their oden is better than what i had in japan at this great neighborhood oden specialist place my friend took me to.
Porthos - Btw Yopparai in the LES has the best oden in NY now that I've tried, I actually like it as the best izakaya in NY now, its quite good
re: Lau
I'll just say that with nearly 8.5 million people in the 5 boroughs the NY metropolitan area OUGHT to be the best in nearly any cuisine one would care to name. I would put SF in the clear lead, adjusted for population, in the US with San Diego in second place. LA clearly has the best and broadest variety of Mexican and Latin American food and Korean.
re: Servorg
servorg - the problem with what you just said is the make up of that population. For example vietnamese food in NY is awful and its b/c there are barely any vietnamese people in NY. It just depends. NY clearly is far superior in certain arenas to LA, but things like vietnamese, mexican, thai, korean, persian and even chinese LA is clearly superior. They are both major metros with their own strengths and weaknesses. Any broad based comment is sort of not really relevant
re: Lau
To further elaborate, for example while New York may have a comparable Chinese population, a goodly portion of them are working class, undocumented migrants from Fujian who subsist on 5/$1 dumplings and $2 servings of noodles. On the other hand, look at all the upper middle class to upper class Chinese residing in San Marino and the rest of the SGV, who can demand and receive the highest quality Chinese food.
re: Chandavkl
well i think most of the chinese in NY are / were poor. The original cantonese immigrants are not HK cantonese but rather mainly really poor immigrants from toison / taishan (chandavkl i believe you are ethnically toison) and the newer immigrants are really poor immigrants from fuzhou or poor northeast chinese immigrants.
the SGV is clearly much more affluent immigrants
re: Chandavkl
To further elaborate, for example while New York may have a comparable Chinese population, a goodly portion of them are working class, undocumented migrants from Fujian who subsist on 5/$1 dumplings and $2 servings of noodles
That applies to Manhattan, not Flushing.-
re: scoopG
Not in comparison to SGV (esp. ESGV).
The demographics in Flushing might be wealthier when compared to Manhattan's chinatown, but neither has the wealth of SGV, esp. ESGV. No where close.
People go grocery shopping in their Bentleys like you and I change underwear on a daily basis.
re: ipsedixit
I was thinking the same in regards to real estate prices - back in the 90s. But the number of Chinese people and Chinese-related businesses I observed on past few visits is noticeably growing.
Irvine area saw an influx of Singaporeans in the 80s-90s - I think because Irvine was a good fit for them (safe, clean, safe, organized, safe, good schools, safe - did I mention safe?). I have to wonder if they were the nucleus of the now-emerging Chinese community.
re: Dirtywextraolives
hey easy on my hometown (newport)! haha
Irvine has a small chinese area, which I'm sure you've seen right off Jeffrey off the 405, but i agree it seems to be growing especially with the new-ish Diamond Jamboree center adding alot of new stuff (although most of it is not that great)
re: ipsedixit
chandavkl - sorry i actually meant off the 5 off jeffrey, the 2 shopping malls that contain A&J. And i meant Diamond Jamboree Center of an example of showing that the chinese community or at least restaurant scene is expanding in Irvine
ipsedixit - i think you're right, i highly doubt it will turn into valley blvd, but i certainly think it could end up being a nice 2nd chinese enclave. I certainly hope it does as the drive from newport to SGV is quite far!
re: namstermonster
101 Noodle Express is pretty darned good.
Lao Dong's pork XLB is pretty darned good.
Little Sheep Irvine is pretty good.
Sam Woo on Culver has better roast duck than any of the other Sam Woos. The dinner menu is as good as most places in SGV/Monterey Park/Rowland Heights with the exception of Sea Harbour and Elite.
Kaju tofu (Garden Grove branch) is pretty good for tofu stew with combo of kalbi and chicken bulgogi.
Though Tsurahasi is yakiniku, the quality is just as good as Parks BBQ. The prime is plenty fatty and excellent, especially the unmarinated bone in beef ribs. They also routinely carry kobe cuts if you like it even fattier.
re: ipsedixit
Truth hurts sometimes. :-)
With the exception of Sea Harbour and Elite the Cantonese restaurants in LA all run pretty much middle of the pack.
Open to hearing any exceptions and dishes at said exceptions that are noteworthy beyond Captial Seafood, 888, etc. Feel free to glance at the menu at Sam Woo Culver or give it a try for comparison.
re: Porthos
Maybe restauranst like Capital, 888, OceanStar, Lunasia, Seafood Village, Newport, etc. "all run pretty much middle of the pack" (something that I don't necessarily agree with) they are still pretty stellar.
And there are gradations and certain unique qualities within that "mediocre" band of restaurants that certainly make each of them noteworthy and more exceptional than places like Sam Woo Culver.
I mean to say that Sam Woo Culver is the 3rd best Cantonese restaurant in Los Angeles is quite a mouthful of a hyperbole, me says.
re: ipsedixit
I didn't say it was the 3rd best. I did say "as good as" and not "better". I try to not indulge in hyperboles or overstep my experience.
There is 1 and 2 and then the rest. Sam Woo Culver is as good as any of "the rest". Menu is actually more extensive in many cases. I personally don't count Seafood Village (Trieu Chau influenced) and Newport (Vietnamese influenced).
The roast duck is better done than the other Sam Woos. Fat more rendered, skin more crispy, meat more moist in many cases. Best roast duck so far goes to Elite for me.
I can see how it is hard to believe but just as Chinatown and MP lost the edge to SGV and Rowland Heights, it's possible to consider that a restaurant in the OC these days overtaking old and tired standbys in the SGV and MP.
re: Porthos
So is Alhambra, Arcadia, and Rowland Heights according to Wikipedia but I think many people recognize them as different foci of Chinese communities and restaurants.
________________________Nope. You think wrong.
SGV = Alhambra, Monterey Park, Arcadia, San Gabriel, Temple Citiy, Rowland Heights, etc.
re: Porthos
They all developed on a continuum, but they are all "SGV" as that term is used on Chowhound.
Recently, we've been using ESGV and WSGV to denote the demarcation that the 605 fwy has created between Monterey Park, Alhambra, San Gabriel, etc. and Rowland Heights, Hacienda Heights, Industry, etc., but SGV includes both E and W.
re: raytamsgv
"I don't think it's possible in Irvine. "
You don't think what's possible? For there to be a boom of Chinese restaurants? It's already happening.
"They have too many regulations on the types of businesses that are allowed in an area."
What kind of regulations and restrictions on businesses are you citing? Wish there were since that would make parking better at Diamond Jamboree and at Jeffery/Walnut where it's basically all restaurants and near impossible to find parking at peak hours and during weekend lunches. There are times where you just have to leave and eat somewhere else. I have never had parking deter me from eating in the SGV. Even when there was only 1 Yung Ho (back when it was good) with their 8 parking spots. The current 3 plazas are already overloaded.
Diamond Jamboree is pretty similar to Focus Plaza in SGV or Diamond Plaza in Rowland Heights (minus the jewelry stores) and the Jeffery/Walnut center has at least as many eateries as that food plaza right across from Focus Plaza.
It's not going to be packed like Valley Blvd but that's not necessarily a bad thing. There is nothing to deter it from spreading outward. Where there are hungry Asians, there will be a way.
re: blimpbinge
See ipse's response above. That's what they said about Rowland Heights.
I probably agree with the ranking for OC not being able to overtake SGV. You never know since SGV has about a 20 year head start at least.
As plazas get older and rent prices drop, the mom and pop asian eateries will increase (hopefully). There is a population to support it.
re: Porthos
irrespective of whether it grows relative to the SGV, i really hope it grows so i can get good chinese food closer to my family's house when im home instead of going to the SGV haha
also, it will grow as long as the chinese population in irvine continues to get bigger, people are smart and will figure out a way to meet demand for good chinese food if the demand is growing (i.e. the chinese population is growing and perhaps non-chinese get interested in it as well)
re: Porthos
Actually, the first time I went to irvine, i HAD to use the nav to find restaurants, otherwise I simply would not have seen them because of the distance they were away from the streets.
I actually kind of prefer Irvines layout. Sure parking in diamond jamboree sucks and the streets (to me) are too big and wide, but my friends there never have trouble finding good food.
I still dread dealing with the driving/parking in 626, so I generally go 30min before or 1hr after the busy times, it works out fine that way.
re: blimpbinge
I love the food scene down here. There is a dedicated oyster bar with 15 types of heirloom oysters even.
The Vietnamese food is unrivaled, Chinese food is getting better. Mexican food, Indian food, Persian food, pollo a la brasa, Cuban food all covered even if it is by just 1 good option. We have a handful of decent Japanese options.If it weren't for Sotto, Shunji, Red Medicine, Gjelina, and Mori there would be no reason for me to head up to LA.
re: Porthos
well there are plenty of reasons to eat in torrance still for japanese i think
torihei, musha, i-naba, horon etc etc
i also have to stop at sakura-ya in gardena, my all time favorite manju that i've been eating since i was born, still think they are the best even better than the really good ones i had in japan
re: Lau
I do drive up there for I naba and Torihei probably 1-2x a month. No need to head north of the 10 would be more accurate ;)
Musha...I don't feel is necessarily better than the cooked stuff at Fukada or some of the stuff at Kappo Honda. Had some excellent battera, tongue stew, and tendon soup recently.
Try Tsurahashi the next time you're home. Awesome yakiniku. About 1/4 cost of Totoraku and the meat quality is nearly as good. The cuts are a little thinner and tongue isn't as luxurious but it's also only $6-8 an order.
re: Lau
Yes the one off 405 and across from Irvine Spectrum. Popular with everyone from college kids to Japanese families for soba and udon. I think their udon is stronger than their soba. For soba, I still have to go to I-naba.
They have fried oysters, buta kakuni, decent tempura. Not I-naba good but good for a non specialist. The tofu is actually really delicious there. Delicate pure flavor. The fried squid legs are also very good. The much touted chicken wings are actually just okay, not good or great.
The waits can be 30-45 min even if you get there 10 minutes before open.
re: Porthos
Nick @ The Cannery is doing a great job. Former Patina Group chef. You've probably eaten with him.
In Irvine, we hear it's not just UCI, it's University HS that drives a lot of demand.
Anecdotal, but the occasional trip to Costco & WF in Tustin always catch me on the back of my heels. Predominantly Asian.
Have a friend who grew up in Arcadia in the 70's/80's. Said Arcadia High was 3-4% Asian at most. Now we sit in a restaurant 1/2 mile from where he grew up and he's the only Caucasian. Never say never.
re: Gypsy Jan
Yes, Shuck Oyster Bar.
Here is my first inquiry and report:
http://chowhound.chow.com/topics/869120Here is when I found out they had belon oysters!
re: Porthos
We'll agree to disagree. Not sure about the OC, but in LA $3/oyster is not standard in some of the best oyster bars.
As you state, Hungry Cat is $15. Water Grill's most expensive oyster is less than $3 most nights with most of the oysters being in the $2.35 - $2.50 range. On the Chef's Creek, for example, Shuck = $3, Water Grill = $2.35. L&E is $2 - $3.50 with five or six selections under $3. Their Daily Dozen is a great deal at $28. Even the Grand Central Oyster Bar in NYC only rarely has an oyster priced at $3 and above with the average oyster being around $2.60.
The only oyster bar I know that's priced like Shuck is Hog Island Oyster. And we sure wish they'd serve a grilled cheese sandwich like Hog Island!
Why are we recurring customers? Their corkage policy allows us to play with a terrific array of wine pairings. When summer comes, how great will it be when they roll up the windows?!?
re: revets2
You're talking $3 over 6 oysters. I'm okay with plus/minus 50 cents an oyster. FWIW, Marche Moderne (OC) is $18 for 1/2 dozen. Same with Bouchon.
I prefer the selection and quality at Shuck more than Hungry Cat. Even if I thought they were equivalent, I would lose more than $6 round trip in gas from here to Hollywood and back assuming I get a dozen. I might break even somewhere around 2-3 dozen. But, I still wouldn't get the selection Shuck has.
I agree, love the corkage policy which is a huge plus.
The fact that you drive down from LA to OC to Shuck for oysters has got to count for something right? :-)
re: Porthos
Most of my fine dining chef comrades agree. There's more cost in a shucked oyster in labor, oftentimes, than in the actual oyster. 50 cents could be relative, but it's a 20% price difference and on two to three dozen that's a remarkable price difference especially for a non-white napkin establishment.
No offense to Florent, but his sourcing has been a little sloppy lately. That makes me nervous about oysters.
Agree on Hungry Cat Hollywood. Don't know why, but the oysters are more pristine in Santa Monica. Can't imagine they source differently. Santa Monica is farther for us and we only eat at that location. The oysters are the most memorable on the menu there. Actually, all the food is better there than Hollywood and SB.
The biggest plus for us other than getting to drink our own wine is our ability to sit out on a nice day with our dogs and have some oysters, but we never drive exclusively to dine there. Can do the same at L&E. Honestly, many of our friends in OC are former chefs or are in the F&B biz and we have a hard time getting them to go with us.
re: revets2
No offense to Florent, but his sourcing has been a little sloppy lately. That makes me nervous about oysters.
Just to be clear, revets2 is now talking about Marche Moderne and not Shuck.I'm more upset that Marche hasn't had langoustines the last couple of times I've visited. When offered, one of the few places you could consistently get langoustines in LA that I'm aware of.
re: revets2
Water Grill's most expensive oyster is less than $3 most nights with most of the oysters being in the $2.35 - $2.50 range. On the Chef's Creek, for example, Shuck = $3, Water Grill = $2.35.
So looking at the picture of the menu I took and linked above I don't see Chef's Creek at Shuck. I see Island Creek and String Creek. I did notice Mermaid Cove at $2.95 at Water Grill vs. $3 at Shuck. Skookum is $2.40 at WG vs $3 at Shuck. WG has a great selection but still "only" 9 vs the daily 15 at Shuck.Also, some of those $2.25-$2.70 oysters at WG are oysters from Mexico. I believe most if not all of Shuck's are from colder Northeast and Northwest waters which can affect taste, especially during warmer months (months without R).
re: Porthos
Had the Chef's Creek many times at Shuck. As you know, oysters can be micro-seasonal. There is a running debate about Baja oysters (the oyster farmers in Baja would probably be offended if I called them Mexican) or even oysters from SoCal like Carlsbad Aquafarm.
We had a two hour conversation with John Finger from Hog Island (he's a marine biologist) and he's permitted me to say that they're working with and investing in these beds and operations in Baja. They're not that much less expensive to produce right now because of start up costs and some of those oysters need tumbling.
Don't get me wrong. Shuck is a fresh, innovative concept serving oysters whose quality rivals the best of what America has to offer. And after attacking three dozen or more of these pristine babies just FedEx'd from Blue Island or our yearly sojourn to Marshall, my carpal tunnel is grateful for, well, a quality Shucker!
re: ns1
Since Shuck doesn't charge corkage I'm okay paying 50 cents more per oyster. That's $20-60+ less I'm paying in wine or corkage anyways.
Pricing has to be adjusted for selection, variety, and quality. I said $3/oyster is about the going rate. I personally consider +/- 50 cents to be "about".
Profits not made from corkage and wine has to be built in somehow. I'm sure they could drop their prices to $2.50 per if they started charging $20 corkage and sold wines at 2-3x markup. The average check is probably lower than many of the places listed by revets2
re: Servorg
I love the food scene down here. There is a dedicated oyster bar with 15 types of heirloom oysters even.
The Vietnamese food is unrivaled, Chinese food is getting better. Mexican food, Indian food, Persian food, pollo a la brasa, Cuban food all covered even if it is by just 1 good option. We have a handful of decent Japanese options.
If it weren't for Sotto, Shunji, Red Medicine, Gjelina, and Mori there would be no reason for me to head up to LA.
Maybe you have magical abilities and can discern from this post exactly what Cuban restaurant he is "alluding" to here, but in no way do I come out with Bella Cuba, in Santa Ana.Then again, he may have mentioned it up thread somewhere that I skimmed past it. But I'm thinking you're the next Carnak..... Maybe Jimmy Fallon could use you.....and ipsedixit can be your lovely assistant......
re: Dirtywextraolives
Bella Cuba is the real deal. Almost Miami quality good. I like it much better than Versailles La Cienega. The oxtails, the ropa vieja, the lechon asado, and roast chicken are all consistently excellent. The arroz con pollo ranges from good to excellent.
Habana is trendier and more suited for that "anti-mall". Muy hipster and needless to say, much less authentic.
re: Porthos
A few years ago, I was talking with one of my relatives who lives in Irvine and asked him about this issue. He said that the city actively discouraged one type of cuisine becoming dominant as part of their master plan.
There's certainly enough wealth and consumer desire in the area to support a large number of Chinese restaurants.
re: Chandavkl
There is a focus off every exit headed south: Jamboree, Culver (Sam Woo, Little Sheep, Tasty Noodle House), Jeffery with 101 Noodle Express, Lau Dong, 99 Ranch and too many restaurants for that silly parking lot, and a new Taiwanese spot slated to open next to Fukada on Irvine Center Dr. Not to mention Capital Seafood in Irvine Spectrum. This plus rumors of Sea Harbour opening up a branch down here.
re: ipsedixit
Not in comparison to SGV (esp. ESGV).
_________________________Where are you getting your information?
Not according to scholars like Min Zhou (UCLA), John Kuo Wei Tchen (NYU), Peter Kwong and Dusanka Miccevic (Hunter College).
Flushing and the SGV are considered part of a multi-ethnic ethno-burb, distinguished by a greater diversity of better-educated and wealthier immigrants.
Over 60% of the Chinese who now live in urban American Chinatowns are foreign born with a high school education or less. 50% speak Mandarin, Fujianese or Cantonese and 20% live in poverty.
re: scoopG
I've been to Flushing and I've been to the San Gabriel Valley and there is no comparison. SGV has a lot of wealth that would not show up in population statistics, particularly rich overseas business owners who buy houses, drop off their families, but do not personally reside over here. And frankly, it's even more extreme in Vancouver where a nice, but not great house, in a nice, but not great neighborhood, can go for $3 million or more. Not saying how legitimate the money is, but it is in California and in Canada, but not in New York.
re: Chandavkl
agreed, SGV is definitely more affluent than Flushing. I know lots of people who grew up in both. My friends from SGV grew up with some money, my friends in Flushing did not. Also as you said if you just hung out in the SGV vs Flushing for any real amount of time you'd realize that as well
re: scoopG
oh i totally agree with you that they are skipping chinatown and going straight to flushing or the SGV. it's just the absolute level of wealth is very different, big nice houses, luxury cars, some people who shuttle between homes there and asia. Clearly not everyone is like that in SGV, but its a noticeable enough contingent whereas you dont see that at all in flushing or any NY chinese area really
Just a real life example, i know a whole bunch of very wealthy taiwanese kids who went to college with me at NYU and their families kept multiple houses and they would always shuttle between NY (went to college there), LA / SGV (family kept a house there / lives there part of the year) and taipei (family lives there most of the time). That is something you would never see in Flushing.
re: scoopG
Not to be offensive, but you need to speak from experience more often on a subject like this than simply cite statistics.
I live in SGV (western and eastern) and have family there as well as business. I have also been exploring business opportunities in NYC, incl. the boroughs. Based on on-the-ground reports, there is no comparison in terms of demographics between SGV and Flushing. There just isn't.
re: Lau
Lau: Okay, will definitely have to try your Dat Thanh place next time I'm back in LA. Actually I stopped ordering nem nuong at Brodard even though everyone goes there for that. Loved it the first couple times, but I don't think it's my thing anymore. Instead they have a lot of other appetizer-type things that I just love but cannot get anywhere else. My favorite is their "rocket shrimp" - triangular fried shrimp thing with crab and crystal noodle bits. Also, their banh xeo is very coconuty and great.
re: chowmouse
definitely give it a try, its one of the best vietnamese restaurants in Little Saigon in my opinion, the owner is pretty passionate. He's actually vietnamese-american, so his english is perfect. He runs it with his dad.
i think their nem nuong is really good as is their com tom
re: blimpbinge
Yes, that's it! Chantilly. Everything's great there, but the black sesame choix creme (with a little drizzle of honey) is incredible. They seem to bake more than once a day. Last time I called to see if they had something available, they told me over the phone that they were sold out at the moment but that they were going to have more out and ready a couple hours later.
re: ns1
Clearly Chinese. Only San Francisco comes close. The Asia Society Top 10 Chinese Restaurants in the United States listing contains 7 from the LA area, 3 from the Bay Area, and none from anywhere else. Now if you said North America instead of the US, Los Angeles would rank behind Vancouver and probably Toronto.


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Will the track and car compatible with Thomas and Friends version? I still prefer this one for my kid http://www.toysrus.com/product/in...d=10555957
My kids and I LOVE geotracks
We bought first set when my 11 year old was about 3 years old. We've since added 3 more kids and they all love geotracks. I actually enjoy building the tracks with them! Also, we've yet to break a piece, so I'm not real clear on where the "quality" issue is coming in. No, they are not "collector" trains, but they ARE super fun to play with. I will admit that the more track you have, the more fun they are to play with. One set of track would not be enough. But we have made some complicated set ups that keep the kids entertained for hours.
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No matter where you live, it's never a bad idea to put a little thought into the entryway or foyer of your home. After all, it's the first thing you see when you walk in the door everyday, and it's the easiest way to make visitors to your home immediately feel like your space is welcoming, polished, and put together.
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Today, we're imagining a masculine, stately foyer, put together on a budget.
By combining this structural console along with a gold, geometric mirror, you already have a great base for a strong, statement making entry. Adding accessories like this simple chrome lamp, a garden stool, and a glass bowl finishes things off with a flourish!
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There are so many fantastic colors out there and I love most of them. Lately I have been crushing pretty hard on a long time favorite, aqua! In all of its various shades, whether it be of the bluer, the greener, the darker or the lighter varieties. I love them all! I think aqua makes for a fantastic accent color for a room. On a lamp, a tray or even on a wall, it's all good in my book.
This image inspires me and makes me want to paint an entire room aqua. That deep aqua that makes you want to curl up with book or a record and bask in the color.
And this couch is just perfection isn't it? I also love the slightly lighter aqua statues on the table behind the couch. A fun pop of color on another great pop of color. Does it get any better? The whole room is awesome. All of the colors play well off of the couch which is of course the focus of the room. How could it not be?
1. Estelle Teal Large Round Wood Tray 2. Isla Aqua Satin Nickel Pendant Light 3. Aqua Stripe Swing Arm Desk Lamp 4. Zuo Repulse Outdoor Aqua Blue Bay Chair
I would love any of these aqua items for my home. The color is funky and bright which is something my place needs! I especially love the glass light fixture. It would look fantastic above a dining table. And the tray would be perfect for so many things. To serve drinks to your guests, to display some keepsake items, or to even just hold your pocket kick-knacks like your keys. The chair looks like it would be an awesome patio chair for summer grilling and the striped lamp is just too fun for words. I would literally put it in any room of the house.
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I get a little intimidated when I walk into a house and find the most beautiful curated gallery wall. Instead of straight clean rows they're all perfectly mixed up, but without looking messy, and somehow it all works well together. Since then, I've had a few "Ah Ha!" moments about curating the perfect gallery wall and I'd love to share these few tips with you.
It doesn't have to be a perfect puzzle. I think this is what intimidated me the most, fitting all the pieces together perfectly while they were all different sizes. Then I realized after looking at a lot of images online, like the one above, that they don't have to fit perfectly. The edges don't have to line up, in fact it looks better when they don't! It does help to balance out sizes and colors throughout the wall space, but location and perfectly fitting pieces together shouldn't be your main goal.
Find a variety of objects. Images, paintings, and drawings mix perfectly to create a great gallery wall. The more diverse the objects, the better.
In the image above you can tell it's well thought out, but still personal and meaningful by using a variety of mediums. There are old photos, pressed flowers, trinkets, handmades and sentimental items all together. It makes for such an interesting wall to look at and less like every pieces was purchased in the IKEA art department.
Include color, but not too much color. I thought the image above was a good example of this. There's color but the main scheme is brown, white and throw in some burnt reds. Drawings are great for gallery walls because they're simple, usually black and white and don't overwhelm the other items. Too much simplicity can be boring though. Find a few pops of color amidst mutated tones and you can't go wrong!
I hope these tips helped. Good luck with your gallery walls!
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There's a building in downtown Los Angeles that takes loft living to the next level. The interior design redefines what it means to live well in the city, starting with the lounge upon entering. This upscale, industrial lounge feels like the hippest club in town with reclaimed wood and concrete columns. By pairing modern chairs and sofas with more classic pieces you get a very sophisticated, eclectic feel. The space is perfect for entertaining without having to step foot outside of your building.
The lighting throughout the lounge makes a huge statement! Series of modern industrial pendants over the kitchen, glowing softly is always a statement piece. However, the statement is truly made of over the pool table where the modern glass pendants hang from the ceiling at variable heights.
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Even the guests have a view! A view from every room, how great is that? Industrial accent tables paired with the vintage metal bed frame and cozy linens, create a soft yet urban feel. Sculptural wall elements really bring personality to any space.
Of course, in loft living a modern kitchen is a must! Notice the white cabinetry paired with light gray walls, allow the cabinets to pop. You may not be cooking so much when you're living in a place that is so close to tons of great restaurants, but it's still important to have a kitchen that is both functional and beautiful!
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Lonnie Ray Belcher Jr., 48, of Niota, passed away on Friday, Dec. 28, 2012, at his residence.
Lonnie was a native and lifelong resident of the Athens area, being born there on June 2, 1964, a son of the late Lonnie Ray Sr. and Margaret Ann Belcher. He was of the Baptist faith. Lonnie was a loving and kindhearted person who was willing to help anyone in need. In addition to his parents, he was preceded in death by his wife, Cathy Belcher; and adopted mother, Ruby Gladys Belcher, who raised him from the age of three after the death of his father.
Lonnie leaves behind to cherish his memory several brothers and sisters, Jessie Ann Belcher of Ollie, La., Billy Belcher of Reliance, Linda Massingale of Athens, Susan Miller of Sweetwater, Raymond Jr. Belcher of Athens, Betty Jane Stewart of Sweetwater, Bill M. Belcher of Athens, Johnny L. Belcher of Orlando, Fla., Roberta Ann Debes of Phoenix, Ariz., Bobby Belcher of Madisonville, and Randy M. Belcher of Orlando, Fla.; a special cousin, Linda Sue Shelton; and numerous other extended family members and friends.
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When it needs to it delivers a satisfying experience but at the next turn throws frustration in your face. I wouldn't mind but it's in unequal measures.
Our tales starts with a young man named Jakob waking up in a cell, with his young lady friend in a state of distress, urging him to a) wake up and b) get them the heck out of there. Once Jakob collects his wits, he finds a conveniently placed metal pipe and uses it to break the chain holding the door.
Upon leaving the cell, they discover they are not the only prisoners or that's the way it seems. There is something more than a little unsettling about the way they moan and shuffle in their cells and feast hungry eyes upon them both. Soon however, she discovers a lever and urges Jakob to pull it as surely all it will do is raise the barred gate she has discovered. Alas no. The gate rises and all the cell doors open releasing the shambling, moaning prisoners!
The young lady finds a corridor and runs down it urging Jakob to follow her. Jakob in the meantime realizes that this is easier said then done. Jakob starts battling with the strange creatures with his trusty steel pipe and as soon as he has cleared a path (or killed them all, that's up to you) he runs after her. But another barred gate is in their way and judging by the moans coming from the distance there are more of the strange shambling creatures.
The lever gets thrown, the grill opens. The two run through only to find the grill they have just opened slams down behind them and another bars their way ahead. Trapped though they may be, it couldn't get any worse could it? Err wrong, for now the walls start to close on the pair!
The camera cuts away as the walls close upon them both and the claret flows through the crack...
Cut to the present day. Josh and Kate are a young married couple that are feeling the strain. Josh is a hard working man that uses booze to relieve the stress of his work. Sadly he has been relying on it a little too much. Maybe a vacation in Eastern Europe will give them both a much needed break?
Well maybe not. Kate wakes up Josh in their carriage and a bottle falls to the floor that was hidden under Josh's jacket. Sighing she leaves the carriage and tells Josh to meet her in the dining car. Now to move things along, we shall slightly gloss over his journey to the diner. On his way he encounters some of the trains other passengers. These include a pair of ballet dancers, a group of youngsters heading for a rave or party and a mysterious fortune teller that gives him an ominous card reading. This is after he has washed his face in the trains bathroom and seen a hallucination of a masked man in the wash room mirror. Eventually he sees Kate talking to a stranger further ahead. Puzzled, Josh makes his way forward and meets a couple of other passengers, one being an obnoxious businessman and another a mysterious but attractive English woman who is gazing out of a window at the passing scenery.
But things take a decided turn for the worse. Upon approaching the dining room, a man is thrown against the door of the carriage and suddenly the glass panel is obscured by blood! Once inside he hears someone screaming behind him. He turns to see the fortune teller addressing someone called Ernst. Now as he turns to face Ernst, it's clear he is more than responsible for the butchery in the carriage as another man falls victim to a Scorpion style chain weapon that runs him through.
The fortune teller he meets earlier begs Ernst to stop what he is doing but he's not listening. What makes matters worse is the fact that Kate is draped over Ernst's shoulder like a sack of laundry! Evil laughter fills the air as Ernst ignores Josh and proceeds on his way forwards. The fortune teller tries to follow and placate Ernst, but other problems soon arise as as the train is crossing a river via a bridge, there is an ominous rumbling and it becomes clear that the train has become derailed! It plunges through the side of the bridge and into the frothing waters of the river below. Josh needless to say gets knocked out and his nightmare begins as he wakes and realizes that the train is on the verge of sinking. He is helpless to stop one ticket collector being swept away by the raging torrents of the river. So Josh had better get moving!
He escapes the train and gets to the rivers shore where he finds other survivors in a cave. There are no cheery songs around the camp fire though. It emerges that the place they have arrived is cursed. To make matters worse another survivor goes off by himself and only his screams indicate that something bad has happened too him. The decision is made to get out of the cave and find some shelter. One man elects (for no good reason that I could see) to stay behind.
So they leave the cave and find a body hanging in a tree! This is not the place for a holiday that's for sure! As they make their way through the undergrowth of a forest or a dense wood, the fortune teller is spotted again and our hero finds an audio cassette. But there's no real time to study it as they now have to swim to some more dry land and once out of the water, get rid of the leeches that have attached themselves to you! But wait, what's that ahead? Lights through the trees. A building, shelter perhaps? Maybe there's a telephone that they can use to get help? (Yeah right!) There's only one way to find out!
Josh heads off in the company of one of the young party goers and find themselves in a cellar. Problem is it's full of bodies and one of them starts twitching. This is just the tip of the iceberg. The nightmare has begun...
OK so here we go, that covers the beginning of the story, the rest is up to you to find out for yourself. We now go onto the usual breakdown of the games highs and lows.
Controls: Well as this is a Kinect only game, there are no bothersome button presses to worry about. Your body is the controller. You can turn to the left and right by turning your upper body, looking down is done by simply doing that. Walking is done by moving one foot forward and levers are opened and objects collected/picked up by moving your hand over the icon shown on the screen. Walking is fine, I'll get to 'running' later. If you want to move backwards, then simply take a step back.
Combat: Like the above is performed by moving your arms. Hand to hand or unarmed combat (and you'll have to do this at the start until you find a weapon) by raising your arms into a classic boxers stance. Crossing your arms in front of you blocks, and you can punch with the left and right hand and you don't have to make the action that vigorous at all to deliver a decent blow. Once you have a weapon then obviously you deal more damage (more on weapons in a bit), you can kick and push enemies away and send them tumbling which is quite satisfying but not as satisfying as decapitating a zombie with a crow bar or some other tool of destruction! But the shove is useful as they will topple like dominoes and that buys you some precious time or some more space to move.
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Andrew Yuen was working the counter at Holbrook Liquors Friday night when a man came who in wearing a ski mask started demanding lottery tickets. Yuen raised his hands in submission and invited the man behind the counter to take the money from the register. Yuen then seized an opportunity to push the gun away and with the help of another store employee subdued the man and called the police. Police officers arrived and arrested Richard Hall of Holbrook. Hall was a regular at the store and had been there four hours earlier that evening. Authorities charged Hall with armed robbery while masked, assault by means of a dangerous weapon, armed assault with the intent to rob and using a firearm in the commission of a felony. Bail was set at five thousand dollars cash in the Quincy District Court.
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The crime of armed robbery in Massachusetts is governed by Massachusetts General Laws Chapter 265 Section 17. A conviction of armed robbery carries a potential life sentence. If however the person who committed the crime was masked there is a minimum five year state prison sentence that must be imposed.
Defending this case will be a difficult undertaking. The report makes clear that in addition to the two store employees there were two girls at the counter whom Yuen was assisting when Hall entered the store. If their version of the events supports that of the store employees Hall's chance of success after trial is minimal at best. Look for him to enter into some sort of plea bargain where he might be able to get around the five year minimum sentence he now faces.
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