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Terrible Return Policy
Posted by Jonothan
BATAVIA, ILLINOIS -- I recently purchased some items in Denver when I was visiting my daughter. She didn't have enough money to cover the purchase, so I paid for it. Returning to Chicago, I brought along the items that she ...
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Overpriced or Overcharged
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Unreal Behavior by Employees
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LANTANA, FLORIDA -- One day I looked online at the acehardware.com site for a pipe repair/wrap and located none. Within the hour I went to my local Ace Hardware store and bought some Ace weld/putty. When I opened it to use ...
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Worst Customer service in a hardware store I've ever seen.
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VANCOUVER, WASHINGTON -- I bought a pipe fitting from Ace Hardware in Salmon Creek, WA to hook up my outside line (for the hose). When my husband saw the fitting he noticed that the turn knob kept turning and wouldn't tighten. ...
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Manager tells customer to go to Home Depot
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JACKSONVILLE BEACH, FLORIDA -- I went to Ace Hardware at 784 Marsh Landing Parkway, Jacksonville Beach, FL to buy two tools. The exact tools were not in stock in the tool dept., so I searched through the bargain tool bins and found ...
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Posted by Fmanher
I went to the Ace Hardware on Florida Ave., Inverness Florida to return an item and look for a screw fitting. I was verbally abused by the store manager because I was unable to give him the answers he wanted. He became very angry and eventually threatened with body language and order me out of his store. To me it was bodily threatening behavior. Ace Corporate Office apologized for his behavior gave me a $25 gift card and said they could take no action against the store. Since that event I have heard many other golfing buddies complain about this store.
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Rude and Useless Employees
Posted by Razorx2001-amyosborn
GREEN COVE SPRINGS, FLORIDA -- Rown & Cartwright ACE Hardware in Green Cove Springs, FL is an ABSOLUTE DISGRACE to the company name, and the community! I have been a customer of ACE Hardware throughout the country. Everywhere else, ...
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Posted by Debracomeaux
This is the second sprayer I buy in 4 yrs and the metal wand that extends has always had pin holes in it. The problem is Ace does not make a wand to buy, u have to buy a whole new set up which costs $45 and it is not fair that you can't make an applicable wand to purchase.
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Consumer Fraud
Posted by Jkresta
CORONA, CA -- 3.5 weeks ago I purchased a Toro Trimmer from the ACE hardware store in Corona -- I have been doing business with this store for over 20 years. The trimmer began to break and fall apart after 3 weeks ...
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Posted by Andbran
I recently ordered. when they came in I noticed they needed drapery pins. so I called Ace hardware to see if they carried them. I was surprised that the young man I talked to actually knew what they were. so my faith in the younger generation has improved
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Poor Quality Of Service And Does Not Recognize Their Own Product
Posted by HollyandShelby
ALOHA, OREGON -- My husband purchased 2 items from Ace Hardware in Aloha Oregon over the past several weeks. I took the items back to ACE for a return as we never used them. The items have the ACE name printed right ...
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Posted by VickiN
I have numerous home improvement projects and have frequented Ace, Home Depot, Lowes and local hardware stores. Ace always has a superior selection of tools and products. Their staff is always courteous, offers assistance, and is knowledgeable of their products. I have even special ordered products which were promptly delivered and I was notified of their delivery to the store.
Recommend this store over other "home improvement centers. The stores in our area do not carry large items such as lumber, but I would prefer to visit the lumber yard for these items anyway.
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Local Store Returns and Exchanges
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GRINNELL, IOWA -- Is it Ace's policy not allow returns or exchanges from one Ace Hardware to another? I shopped at an Ace in Illinois on a trip and bought an inexpensive remote control that did not work. I tried to return ...
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Nothing But the Blood: The Gospel According to Dexter
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SALEM — A paroled killer with seven prior convictions for driving under the influence told Salem District Court jurors yesterday that he was "frozen" to the steering wheel as his car slowly veered back and forth across Route 128 north one evening in February.
"I couldn't pull over," Andrew Millyan, 56, testified. "I thought I was a goner. I thought I had a stroke or something."
But, prosecutor Jane Prince later pointed out, Millyan was able to stop when he saw the blue lights of a Manchester-by-the-Sea police cruiser behind him — some 20 miles after a Salem State University student first spotted him driving erratically in rush-hour traffic on Feb. 16.
"When I seen lights," Millyan began to explain, before pausing. "How am I going to say this ... when I seen the blue lights, I was already stopping."
Not according to Manchester-by-Sea Patrolman Kevin Gordon, who had followed Millyan's Ford Taurus for about a mile as it straddled the fog line along the side of the highway.
Prosecutors allege that Millyan, of North Grafton, was impaired by the use of Percocet, one of a lengthy list of drugs, both prescription and illegal, found in a urine sample he provided after his arrest.
Millyan and his lawyer, Clint Muche, contend that it was simply a bad reaction to a new blood pressure medication he had started taking a day earlier, one that came with a warning from his doctor about potential dizziness.
Under questioning by Muche, Millyan described how he'd taken the blood pressure medication the day before, then forgot until later in the day on Feb. 16.
Millyan testified that as he was leaving his workplace in Framingham, where he had gone to pick up a paycheck, he began to feel "dizzy" and rested in his car, then decided to head to his sister's home in Wilmington.
At some point as he got onto Route 128, he began to lose his sense of direction, he testified.
He stopped briefly in Wakefield, then pulled back out onto the road.
It was somewhere in that area that Salem State student Cyndi St. George, 22, found herself behind Millyan's Taurus, which was going "out of control," she said.
"I watched him hit the guardrail, and then go onto the dirt," St. George testified. She called police on her cellphone and continued following the Taurus, which was traveling at no more than 35 mph.
As other cars passed Millyan, she hung behind, giving state police details as she drove. She watched him appear to pull over near Exit 19 in Beverly, then suddenly veer across the road.
While Millyan didn't hit any other drivers, there were "four close calls," St. George testified.
Gordon testified that Millyan was driving without headlights. There was extensive damage to the driver's-side door and mirror. And Millyan was also in poor shape, sweating profusely and pale, Gordon testified.
State Trooper Peter Sherber, a former emergency medical technician who had also been trained in some drug use recognition techniques, testified that Millyan showed signs of drug use that included "pinpoint" pupils and lethargy.
After a series of field sobriety tests, "The only logical conclusion I could come to is he was impaired by drugs," Sherber testified.
Police also found four bags of marijuana in Millyan's car.
Asked by the prosecutor to explain the drugs, Millyan, who despite having traces of the active ingredient of marijuana in his urine, denied using marijuana. He said it belonged to a friend.
Who was the friend, Prince asked.
"Why is that relevant?" Millyan snapped. He went on to say that a woman that his friend had "picked up" had then borrowed his car and left the drugs behind.
And what about the cocaine metabolites in his urine, indicating that he'd used the drug within the prior three days?
"Why do you take two months to test it?" Millyan shot back. "That state police lab is wrong."
The testing was conducted at the Sudbury crime lab, which is run by the state police and is not connected with the current drug-testing scandal at the Department of Public Health lab.
Millyan twice testified that he had mowed his lawn that morning. It was unclear, however, why he would have had to do that chore in the middle of February.
The trial got under way after a series of motions, as well as a disclosure by the prosecution that Millyan's call from the state police barracks to his lawyer was inadvertently recorded on a surveillance system, a violation of attorney-client privilege.
In that call, however, Millyan was heard telling his lawyer that he'd "taken too many" Percocets. Jurors were not given that information, however, because of the way it was obtained.
Jurors were also not given details about Millyan's history.
Millyan is on parole for the 1981 shooting death of a patron inside a Revere bar where Millyan and a second man showed up, looking to retaliate against a rival gang for a beating. Millyan opened fire inside the Sandbar Lounge, striking a man playing pool, who died of head wounds. He was convicted of first-degree murder, but the conviction was later reduced to second-degree murder and he was paroled after serving 20 years.
Prior to the shooting, Millyan had racked up some seven prior DUI convictions.
Jurors, however, will be told none of that information, because it is considered too prejudicial against Millyan, who at the time of his arrest in February had a valid Massachusetts driver's license.
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Posted 08 January 2012 - 11:49 PM
I was wondering if there is a list of BIG BANG's schedule. one that may include radio shows, performances, events, etc. and not necessarily the past ones but more for the future so I can keep track of them =D but not in a creepy way- I promise LOL
and if theres not, is it possible to create one? I wouldn't mind helping out with it.
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Posted 13 March 2012 - 08:19 PM
hmmm.... for 2012, the Alive Tour, I hear they are coming to america too!! eeeee!!
Posted 16 March 2012 - 04:42 AM
Are they coming to Canada? That would be awesome!
Posted 16 March 2012 - 10:12 AM
And also Malaysia ! pleaseeeeee .
Posted 03 April 2012 - 07:56 PM
Morocco tooo , we have thousands of vips here , we can't wait to see them here !!
Posted 13 April 2012 - 04:46 AM
Can't wait for their tour here in america!
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Posted 19 June 2012 - 07:24 PM
oh yeah the Alive Tour! you can go to alive.ygbigbang.com (it's just a link to the tour dates on their facebook page for their Tour date schedule). i was actually wondering if the caldendar was up to date because i didn't see any of the tour dates. and also Seungri is in Japan right now and will be there until september doing stuff. check out ygfamilyy.tumblr.com, they have a lot of updates about ALL of YG, actors, the bands, producers, the choreographers and they have a schedule for all of YG, so Big Bang is there but not just them. also check out the YG Family App, it's free to download, and whenever someone does something you get a notification. there are tons of photos, and it's updated regularly. there is also a schedule there too!
Posted 28 July 2012 - 09:49 PM
They are coming to Malaysia... But is there any way to meet them (not during the concert) of course... I wonder which hotel they stay... *hope this doesn't sound like i'm stalking*
Posted 18 September 2012 - 12:27 AM
I wish they would come to Canada~ Canada loves BigBang!~
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There is a remarkable degree of ignorance about the alleged role of Glass-Steagall in the financial crisis. It's time to set the record straight.
When Sandy Weill, the former chairman of Citigroup, told an interviewer that he thought it had been a mistake to repeal Glass-Steagall, it unleashed a gale of commentary that reflected a remarkable degree of ignorance about the alleged role of Glass-Steagall in the financial crisis. The five myths discussed below do not cover all the misconceptions that seem to be held by those who want to restore Glass-Steagall, but they cover some of the most widely discussed. Myth 1: Glass-Steagall was repealed in 1999 by the Gramm-Leach-Bliley Act. No. Glass-Steagall was never repealed. It is still applicable to insured banks and forbids them from underwriting or dealing in securities. What was repealed in 1999 were the sections of Glass-Steagall that prohibited insured banks from being affiliated with firms—commonly called investment banks—that engaged in underwriting and dealing in securities. Myth 2: The repeal of Glass-Steagall allowed banks to use taxpayer-insured funds for risky trading. No. The portions of Glass-Steagall that remained in effect after 1999 prohibited insured banks from underwriting or dealing in securities. However, before and after 1999, banks were permitted to trade (that is, buy and sell) bonds and other fixed-income securities for their own account. This is logical, because these instruments are simply a loan in a securitized form, and loans are the stock-in-trade of banks. Just as Exxon Mobil is allowed to trade oil, banks must be allowed to trade the assets that are an essential part of their business. This inevitably involved banks using insured funds for trading, which was permitted both before and after Glass-Steagall was amended in 1999. Calling this trading "risky" puts a thumb on the scale, but doesn't change the fact that banks have always been allowed to trade securities they can invest in. Myth 3: In the financial crisis, banks got into trouble by trading "risky" mortgage-backed securities (MBS). The fact that insured banks suffered losses buying and holding AAA-rated MBS may say something about their investment acumen, but it says nothing about their trading or their risk-taking. No. Insured banks got into trouble in the financial crisis by buying and holding MBS backed by subprime and other low-quality mortgages, not from trading these instruments. When these loans declined in value in 2007, they caused significant losses to the banks that had invested in them. This is the same thing as saying that banks got into trouble by making bad loans, but it has nothing to do with Glass-Steagall or its supposed repeal. In addition, these MBS were not seen as "risky" when acquired. The MBS that banks bought and held were rated AAA, the lowest risk MBS available. In buying and holding these instruments, banks received the lowest returns. If they had really wanted to make risky "bets," they would have bought MBS rated below AAA, where the risks were greater and the returns correspondingly higher. The fact that insured banks suffered losses buying and holding AAA-rated MBS may say something about their investment acumen, but it says nothing about their trading or their risk-taking. Myth 4: The repeal of Glass-Steagall allowed bank holding companies and bank-affiliated investment banks to use insured funds for risky trading. Very unlikely. The 1999 change in Glass-Steagall allowed insured banks to be affiliated with investment banks, which could indeed take substantial risks in underwriting, dealing, and trading securities of all types. Investment banks—even those affiliated with insured banks—have no access to insured deposits. Moreover, banking regulations make it extremely difficult for insured banks to lend funds to, guarantee, or otherwise assume or support the risk-taking of their affiliates. Under provisions of the Federal Reserve Act, bank loans to affiliates have to be made at arm's length (that is, on the same terms as the bank would make to an unaffiliated party), must be collateralized by U.S. government securities, and must be limited in the aggregate to 20 percent of the bank's capital. Even if the loans are made—which is seldom, if at all—they are risk-free because of their collateralization. It would make much more sense for affiliates to raise their funds in the capital markets, which is what they ordinarily do. Myth 5: By allowing insured banks to affiliate with risk-taking investment banks, the 1999 change in Glass-Steagall caused losses to the banks that contributed to the financial crisis. No. As noted above, insured banks suffered losses in the financial crisis by making bad loans—that is, buying and holding MBS based on subprime and other low-quality mortgages. Although investment banks could take more risks than insured banks and had much higher leverage, the investment banks that got into trouble in the crisis—Lehman Brothers, Bear Stearns, and Merrill Lynch—were not affiliated with any of the insured banks that had major losses, and thus could not have caused these losses. In addition, these investment banks got into trouble not by taking greater risks than insured banks but by buying and holding the same AAA-rated MBS based on subprime and other low-quality mortgages. Finally, there is no evidence that the small investment banks with which the insured banks were affiliated contributed in any significant way to the losses of the insured banks. In other words, if Glass-Steagall had never been amended in 1999, the financial crisis of 2008 would have happened exactly as it did. Those who spend their time blaming Glass-Steagall's repeal for the financial crisis need to think again. Peter J. Wallison is the Arthur F. 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Shaking up the market? Sony a7R review posted
Two products that have been getting a lot of attention lately are the Sony a7 and a7R full-frame mirrorless cameras. Last month we took an in-depth look at the Alpha 7, and were mostly pleased with how it turned out. Now it's time to take a look at its big brother, the Alpha 7R, which offers a 36 megapixel sensor with no low-pass filter and a more conventional autofocus system. Is the a7R worth the price premium over the a7? Click below to find out.
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Is anyone so fortunate to have purchased and objectively used both a7 or a7r and fuji x-t1. I love fuji glass and their film on my toyo 4c5. Have only owned sony TVs and recorders, not their cameras. I have had both in my hands. The fuji rear button stupidly small, but maybe could acclimate. The sony buttons nicly tactile.i am mostly blind and i must overly research. Some camera functions can be total roadblocks to advancing. A honest comparison would greatly be appreciated.
As a working pro with over 40 years shooting for the worlds major mags I am beset with the following regarding the new Sony A7r
How any major camera company that is so innovative could have possibly
produced such a fine camera with a DEPLORABLY LOUD SHUTTER NOISE. This knocks it out of the potential catagory for me after I had waited so long for :
1- full frame.
2-nice glass
3- small and light cuz I'm old and weak:>
My thoughts are simple: why so close but so far?
We put 12 people on the moon and brought them all back = tech is in place.
My Leica M3 (circa 1960's) had the most beautiful soft shutter "tish" sound in the world .... it was mirrorless ... the Sony is mirrorless!?!?!
Maybe Sony should adapt the Leica shutter:> How about a Leica cloth shutter sound in the apps tabs :>:>
BTW: I'm a shooter not a gear head so I like solid basics not bells and ....
Leica M3 had a 1/1000 shutter. Sony has 1/8000.
Even though the A7 is loud-ish, I love that sound. Still considerably smoother and quieter than on a Sony A850.
For stealth use RX1 is still the king, but it uses a leaf shutter.
Tom what digital camera(s) do you use?
When I evaluate a camera, I look at a list of features and don't get so bent out of shape over one minor issue. I certainly would not mention landing men on the moon!!
What is the top speed of a Leica cloth shutter? I believe that lens caps make almost no sound but they only have a few seconds maximum shutter speed.
Remember that what this camera is doing is a bit more like what a Hasselblad does when you fire the shutter. It first has to close the shutter to prepare to take the image. It then opens and closes the shutter to take the exposure and then reopens the shutter to go back to live view mode.
I suspect the shutter could be made quieter, but there may be trade offs in terms of price or maximum speed.
Apologies if I missed it, but you mentioned the diffraction reduction feature, but I can't find any evaluation if it. Assume it would be evident in, say, f16 or higher when comparing jpeg to raw?
One other question...i have great nikkor glass gor 70's. Can they adapt to a7r? Is old manual lenses be good glass on digital ff camera. Do only late lenses specific to digital bodies be best for image quality.?
Yes you can very easily with an adaptor. A major plus with most mirrorless cameras. MF of course and no stabilisation. I only use Canon FD lenses on E mount, so Nikon is also very easy to adapt to E mount. The oldest I use is a 1969 Canon FL-F 500 F5.6 fluorite. Works well on NEX and will do on the A7r as well.
I use 1970s and 1980s Leica film camera lenses on my digital M9 and no problems arise. I also use slr lenses on adapters to fit the M9, Nikon 20mm AF and Olympus-mount Tokina 17mm manual. These work well stopped down a little to maximise definition. I sometimes use a 12mm Voigtlander f5.6 on the full-frame M9. The results are amazing but I need to use Cornerfix to deal with cyan-tinted vignetted edges to the image (or crop a little). I don't think I have any digital-age lenses to use on the M9. At Leica prices I can't imagine buying one.
Has anyone tested results in detailed mannrr the results from old manual lenses on mirrorless cameras. ..as in comparing 35mm zeiss(or other quality late model prime) compared to , lestsay, mid70s nikkor 35mm manual lenses? Of course, i could just try it myself. Just can't afford to experiment right now.
Though mostly blind, still figure visual tools to keep me selling works in my art gallery. Seeking small aps-c or fFF camera to pack for macro, night, and 60 hd video. Need art. Lcs. Down to canon 70d, fuji x-t1(oh how i like fuji glass), and the sweet sony a7/a7r. Fujis rear buttons suck. Canon musht buttons and only 30 p @ hd. But a7 buttons wonderfully tactile.
Now does anyone menu would be roadblock? I had heard that difficult errors pop up. I use hood an viewer constantly, cannot read words, but recognise their shape.
Almost forgot, my main camera is toyo 4x5 field camera.
I have always been waiting for a full frame mirrorless .For weight and carrying convenience -BUT WHY they do not make a FULLY articulated LCD for perfecting convenience for user ?
If I was given this option I would most probably switch to Sony .
Hey all. Question, is there adapter for A7R to nikon that allow to use AF?
Trying the web search, but found only canon and minolta version with AF.
Please help. Got New sony and old nikon 50 lens, love it and want to use it meanwhile.
Thanks in advance! )
Anyone that is truly interested in what the new Sony Alpha 7R has to offer the genuine Photographer might want to look at the first in a series of Test Shots using the inexpensive FotoDiox Canon FD to Sony NEX Adapter and a Canon FD 70-210mm f/4 Zoom from the 1980's. This is just such a versatile high quality photographic tool:
The lens is excellent on the Sony Alpha 7R Camera Body.
I would like to hear from a few who have migrated from the Sony Nex 7 to the new 7r. I have the Nex 7 and also D3200 and D600 Nikons, all 24 mp cameras.
Among these I would always use the Nex 7 in good outdoor light because it always nails the focus. By way of example, at the zoo, I can always photo animals and get clear images with clear hair and skin textures, whereas the Nikons are more hit and miss.
I am wondering especially if the focus on the new cameras is as good as it is on the Nex 7 and also how you would compare the low light performance and especially the low light focus of the 7r?
Also, I have some really excellent lenses for my D600, so I am also wondering what adapter to use for my nikon lenses and whether the adapter results in full functionality, or there are elements of the focus or other functions that are lost or have to be done manually?
Why do reviews of the A7/A7r fail to mention the lack of a correctly working reflective light meter in the viewfinder?
Because it is silly issue that doesn't effect the usage of the camera one iota.
It seems the best thing the a7 and a7r have going for them is the sensor. The rest of the package from Sony seems quite lacking in terms of implementation.
The aSony isn't going to make me change from Nikon or Canon.
Not sure what you mean. It's a nice body to hold. It;s controls are fully customizable and function in a satisfyingly solid manner. If you have concerns about the rear dial moving you can lock it.
It's a superb camera - a real beauty.
For pre G lensed any simple adapter will do. For G lenses the metabones Nikon-g adapter is needed. There is no auto focus for either. For Canon lenses there is the metabons canon type three adapter which gives you full auto focus and IS functions. Better ISO performance and getting rid of the terrible menu of the nx7 plus the full frame sensor are the big improvements. The focus seems to be right on. I sold my nx7 after getting an a7 and have also aquired an a7r. Haven't used my Canon or Nikon bodies since getting the Sonys and my Leica M8 is now a paper weight.
Great Job Sony On the Image Quality! But It seems that the compact body adds extra issues that are rarely seen on bigger DSLRs such as slow booting and small buffer size. I believe it's because of the smaller processor that are inside this cramped body camera. I can't wait for next gen Sony Bigger body SLTs! Alpha 77 has done well for 2 years, we are looking for a successor!
So, is there a straight response to the question: how does A7/A7R perform in the frame periphery with WA Voigtlander M39/M lenses?
I have the 75 f2.5 and the 35 1.7, they are perfect on the A7r.
I also had the 21mm f4 and the 25mm f4.5 and they were not great performers, vignetting was not to bad, but the colour fringing was terrible!
Worked well in B&W though…
I've since sold those two and replaced them with the 21mm f1.8 asph, brilliant!
Is there an app for time lapse photography that would work with this camera?
The 70-200 FE.
First Sony said available in Feb.
Now its Mid April.
Might even actually see one in the stores by fall.
What a cheapo way to introduce a new sytem.
Hold back the 70-200. Just brilliant. Sheesh.
Ya - I know - the adapter for the existing 70-200 models.
Well if i wanted to pay a bundle more AND have my body to look like it belonged in a Flintstones movie, I'd buy it. So, no.
would anyone want this camera with wood finish may be named as Hasselblad. who cares .. hasselblad will create one...
Hey, why accept the wood finish version when we can go for the alligator skin with golden engraved initials? Owner's retina ID, multiple languages spoken greetings,...any other menu ideas?
Some analysis of the raw compression:
Together with the shutter shock issue another (small) problem. However, I wouldn't see that as a big problem since for pictures of stars at night I would go for the Canon 6d. Nevertheless good to know. Doesn't change the fact that the camera performs well in many other situations.
I was put off Olympus and Fuji's little machines for the same reason as the NEX sony equivalent s- the lenses. If you bother to look at downloadable samples you can see why everyone is trading theirs in. (Look at the LCE and Park cameras sites) These zoom lenses need enormous correction at wide-angle. This correction destroys the border resolution, and my concern for full-frame mirrorless is that the same will apply for wide-angle lenses. AS there is no mirror these lenses are cheaper and easier to design and make (yes Leitz!), but as mentioned here, they are being underdesigned to maximise profits and photographers suffer as a result. You are not paying less, for the new Sony A7 lenses you are overpayingl. On paper the tests pass muster, just (see Photozone.de or the Optix Pro site), but notably the squished mashed appearance of the photographs themselves (the only thing that counts) escapes tests, but not our eyes.Or can I not see for the tears?
BALDERDASH! I don't who you are and I have no knowledge of your work but here are two very well respected and published professional photographers whose work and ART produced with the a7R has not been, in the least bit, affected by your ridiculous assertions.
Trey Radcliff: http://www.stuckincustoms.com/
Brian Smith: http://briansmith.com/blog/
I suggest you spend less time pouring over downloaded internet samples and pick up an a7R and shoot with it. If you have even the slightest bit of talent, you will be extremely pleased with your results.
Another clueless Sony basher...well, you don't know what you are missing...
Thanks for sharing your concerns Mr. Harrap!! You do know that the new Sony-Zeiss 35 and 55 mm lenses are rated as excellent, so you get what you pay for. The comment for the 55 mm is "truly superb test results..........it comes very close indeed to the astounding (but $4000) Zeiss Otus 55 F1.4"
Why do you say that the zoom lenses need enormous correction at wide angles? I can use any Canon, Nikon etc. zoom, so do these lenses need enormous correction at wide angles? If they don't, why should future Sony/Zeiss lenses need such "enormous" correction. It's just a size selection choice by Sony.
I haven't seen any sign of the squished mashed appearance on my shots (either in Photoshop or Lightroom) so I assume you are just trying to stir people up.
Buy an a7/r and go and use it.
I agree with your astute assertions.
Understanding the business is key to understanding the camera.
This is where so many pundits fail in their analysis of a system.
I really wanted to have A7R (or A7) but I couldn't buy it for its flaws. I ended up to more expensive Olympus E-M1 kit and spend even more to get more lenses. I would have got cheaper with either A7 cameras but when can't have same level native lenses and same level usability, I don't want to miss shots because gear is just on my way or limiting me.
Nice to see that it has worth for someone.
Yeah, only because everything I have is Sony, so if Sony come out with something better for less than $1500 there's no big deal. I upgraded from Minolta to Sony A100 then A700 Then A77 and haven't yet spent over $1500 for a camera.
Does your E-M1 has a shuttle shock problem? Mine does. I wonder if the A7/R has this problem too.
No, not any kind. Before I paid my camera, I made good tests in store as I am allowed to do.
And A7/A7R can have the shutter shcok problem as well, if you believe some peoples claims (I don't). But there are so much ***** what you can even cut with knife, what makes it so difficult to actually find out truth unless you really know what you are searching and you are allowed to do good tests (Like I was in store own studio with tripod etc) before paying for camera.
All what I did was find out what situations were the problems reported, make notes and designed the test setup. And this because I knew people who didn't have the shutter shock problem so that it isn't design flaw in E-M1 but just bad unit so I can find out the one what doesn't have. And the ordered unit was such (non-faulty) so...
That's a bad mistake Fri13. The a7r has much better image quality than the E-M1
I'm always curious about this lens thing. Wouldn't you miss shots by continually changing lenses? I feel that someone who knows what they're doing uses 1 or 2 lenses and may have a couple more for fringe possibilities.
I guess I wonder about the need for lots of lenses and why you would settle for a sensor 1/4 the size to attain more of them?
I am impressed with Sony's new a7R Full-Frame, and I have been using Sony cameras since Minolta, Currently using the A77. I've noticed the ISO struggles still exist and the Auto Focus problems has improved since the Sony A100, I just need Wifi and better lens options. Pairing my A77 with a Carl Zeiss 28mm f1.4 has paid for itself 100 times over. The a7 is not scratched off of my shopping list though. I cant make money if I keep spending money.
I am a Canon 1DX user. But I really like the small form factor of A7(R). I struggled for a long time before I got the A7R with both the FE 55mm as well as the FE 24-70 F4 lens last week. It takes me a week to re-learn the habit how to shoot with the A7R. Once I used to it, I really like this camera as expected, but there's several 'but'
Superb resolution & sharp in static shot and raw image, color is good and AWB usually correct. But miss every dynamic moment...
Under bright outdoor environment, these lens is in perfect auto-focus condition. Unfortunately, indoor with moderate light doesn't work well. The only way I can focus accurately is to set the focus point to center with S/M focus area... don't know whether it's due to slow lens motor or poor contrast detection algorithm. But when my daughter is running around at A7R simply miss every precious moment.
Many friends complain about the shutter shaking and noise problem. But I don't use a tripod and really like how it shakes and sounds. Well, I prefer an EFC if Sony can implement it in firmware with existing sensor. Auto ISO is weired too...
Slaggy in low light condition... stuck for 1s per focus... The demo unit in Sony Store doesn't behave like this (1/3s is acceptable) even in low light condition. Poor eyecap too... too hard... and cannot find a hollow rubber replacement, very uncomfortable using with eye-glasses
Just did some copy work on a tripod and copy stand and saw no signs of shutter shake - sharp as a razor.
Is this the end on mirror-stuffed, big-bodied heavy weighters?
The only thing is left: to prove new Sony lenses are up to the expectations
No it isn't. I have an a7 and a Canon 7D. If I want to use a large telephoto I use the 7D. If I need great tracking I use the 7D. For most other photography I use the a7. I haven't decided which is best for close up work but I am leaning to the a7.
Are the A7 and A7r weather-sealed or not? Many review sites, including this one, make that claim, but I can't see where it says so in the specs list at sony.com.
It is...see 3:40 http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wUJc83wV6iA
I was glad to hear from somebody that the Sony a7 will take those Canon and Nikon FF lenses. I hadn't realized, thanks for letting me know. It might come in useful for some kinds of hi-res work in that case. Great. Do you need special adapters?
Here is a guide http://briansmith.com/sony-a7-a7r-lens-mount-adapters/
If you are a professional travelling photojournalist like myself, then micro 4/3s make most sense. I can carry three small panny bodies, five superb lenses, flash and audio equipment all in one average sized camera bag and not do my shoulders in - and results are great. Clients never complain. Who really needs more than 16 MP for magazine work, besides they'll come out with 24 MP 4/3s soon anyway, I imagine, in case that matters. My FF Canons and all their heavy expensive lenses and older Nikons stay at home most of the time these days. Anybody want to buy them off me?
While a perfectly valid point of view, I'm struggling to see any link between your comment and this review, you don't even mention the camera being reviewed, wouldn't this be better on a 4/3 thread somewhere?
It belongs here. He's saying the smaller footprint of the A7's are nice, but the extra portability of m43 in relation to IQ is more useful. FF is overkill.
Essentially, the kind of debate you have endlessly in mirrorless forums (m43 is enough! APS-C mirrorless is enough!).
Context. He's already a mirrorless and FF DSLR user. The fact he's here (mirrorless FF should be of some interest to him) and when he says m43 makes "more" sense (more than what? Mirrorless FF) Then he goes on and on about how small m43 is so we know size is an issue for him, so much so in fact that he's willing to give up FF DSLR and the A7(R) is apparently not good enough in that department and he doesn't need more MPs anyway.
OK, so I'm fairly new around here, I gather you have to know him somewhat to know the relevance of what he's saying.
Never heard of him. But his argument is often made by others. His post did say a lot about him and I just read between the lines when he didn't specifically spell out what he meant.
If he shows up again, he can hopefully confirm it all!
Seansprague you should write this in the m4/3 forum or do you feel the need to spread the m4/3 gospel to us non-converts?
I must be different to most people. I just take a couple of lenses with me when I am out taking photographs since I know the general subjects I am after.
I can't imagine travelling with five lenses, three bodies, flash and audio equipment. (surely as a professional you take a light tripod with you for optimum composition and exposure flexibility).
However, if I was a professional travelling photographer taking once in a lifetime images, I would want the very high quality images and better aspect ratio available from full frame digital cameras whatever the weight, so m4/3 wouldn't match my requirements. I guess you don't crop much or require high ISO for your work.
Came out at the right time, just as I was changing my main system for something more compact, and I nearly went for it.
Then I realized what a mistake it would be because, by the time you assemble a system, it's not compact or light at all. It's actually a mirage caused by too many photos of just the body and the new 35mm.
The various operational criticisms that followed were just the icing on the cake of non-purchase.
Just one question - have you had the camera (yes, assembled) in your hands?
The 55/1.8 is the same size as the Olympus 75/1.8 and the 35/2.8 is the same size as the Olympus 17/1.8. Boohoo.
a 55mm and a 150mm equivalent lens are not anywhere near the same. I don't want to think about what a telephoto FE prime will be like. Probably a monster like the FE 70-200 f4 zoom.
Lumix 25mm and the new Zuiko 25mm are more like the FE lens, similar FOV and speed. Much smaller too.
If you want to (nearly) match the FE lens in the bokeh department, you need one of those Voightländer f0.95. You gain a super fast lens that, combined with IBIS, will shoot in much darker conditions and/or in low ISO.
That's true, but as seansprague says in the thread above, who needs more than 16MP anyway, and you know what? The great thing about having the A7R and 36Mp + emount compatibility is you can have smaller e-mount lenses AND 16Mp with no AA filter, all the amazing low light capability, DR and colour depth and an APS-C size sensor area to play with.
Hey TN Args,
I confess to having the same thought as you regarding the A7: then I tried one, with the lenses, then I looked at all the small lens options out there, and realised I was wrong.
@jonath -I need more than 16mp. The poster you refer to has specific needs and probably uses jpegs for quick uploads. For me the incredible resolution of this camera is a huge plus. Really beautiful.
And I thought My VLUX-1 was expensive. lol
Just hope I can find a replacement battery for my VLUX-1 soon. :)
Do you realize it costs as much as a Nikon D800? Have you got it figured too that the lenses are only just emerging and in size rival Nikon and Canon, and if you want to use the NEX or other lenses with an adaptor you have an awkward unfriendly and without AF (possibly), VERY expensive package on your hands. Of course, great to be able to stick your Nikkors on it, but pointless and absurd, since it is far too slow to use. This Sony takes ITs pictures- the shutter lag is so great that YOU cannot take YOUR pictures using either of these lovely new Alpha A7 and A7R machines. Yes, same problem with detail-smearing slow 5D MkII and MkIII, but if your subjects do not move you'll be OK.
They decided to make a SLOOOWW camera, so you be slow to buy it. It was their choice and they should be ashamed. Full autofocus 0.359/362 secs; manual focus lag is 0.261 secs , prefocussed lag is a scandalous 0.163 secs, down from 0.007 secs on their first mirrorless APS-C machine DSC-R1 (2005).
So true I took like 5000 pictures now with my A7r and just realised that IT just took ITs own pictures all the time. There's nothing in the SD card I wanted to shoot myself. The shutter shake was so bad I accidenly take selfies instead of a pictures of landscapes or my models. Shutter lag is so great the sun already set when I want to take a pictures in the afternoon.
I'll give it back and trade it in for a NIKON D800...or a 2005 DSC-R1...
I bought my a7 in December and am still waiting for it to finish taking its first photo. I am just an average photographer and 80% of my photos are of my two daughters, who do not sit still, and this camera has done a great job of capturing them. If you can't take great pics with this camera, then you shouldn't be a photographer.
Funny how people need to spew trash on the internet to make then feel better about their choices....
Is there an echo on these comments? Am sure you've said all this before.
Munro Munro Munro, *shakes head*
I was going to reply to all this but it would be like trying to get reason out of a politician, so I'll pass.
Oh, btw, you're wrong on basically everything.
Why all the talk of Nikon and Canon comparisons? This Sony seems more like a rangefinder competitor, no? Probably shake in your boots, Leica. But the whole EVF thing still isn't fully baked so not quite yet...
I've got to say that this evf is pretty well baked. Much better than the other NEX evf - which I hated. It's very very good.
Problem I have with this new camera: body too small for the large and heavy lenses which a pro would want to use, so why not go for a bigger FF body and system, such as the Canons or Nikons? And another thing, too bad Sony don't make bodies which will take the Canon and/or Nikon lenses already in existence. And for that matter, too bad that Canon and Nikon (and all the rest) didn't settle on a standard lens mount long ago. I have Canon and Nikon systems sitting idle because now I prefer micro four thirds. At least Lumix and Olympus lenses are compatible.
"too bad Sony don't make bodies which will take the Canon and/or Nikon lenses already in existence" well you don't what you are talking about. A7/r can use any lens in the market.
So many Canon, Leica, Nikons etc pros are already using this camera with their huge lens without any problems.
To my way of thinking, a camera body is just something you attach to the rear of a lens to help you focus; set the exposure and preserve the resulting image. Since I have an embarrassing number of huge and very heavy Canon FD lenses, the small size of the body is not a negative at all - especially since it can make my digitally useless collection usable again. The only issue I am still concerned with is:" which adapter should I purchase for maximum usability of my vintage FD glass?"
The whole point of the Sony Alpha 7 and 7R is that both can accept just about any quality lens ever made. It is an extremely good Camera System but not one that will suit everyone. See:
If you want a DSLR of comparable IQ, then you need to be looking at the Nikon D800E which uses the identical Sony Sensor. Compare the difference in Price and weight plus Legacy Lenses will not work as well on the D800E. These two cameras, with quality Glass and excellent photographic technique, can produce stunning images.
Problem is I have with other FF cameras the body is too big for small high quality lenses. hmmmmm
I'm a pro and I hate using big heavy lenses. I'm a very happy camper with the a7r.
1/FL is of course not enough for modern sensors, but just enough with good stabilization. That is why they should have implemented IBIS - no point having a compact camera if you need to lug a tripod for it.
You do realise how big IBIS would be for a full frame sensor? It has to cope with the sensor moving 1cm in any direction?
A tripod is more than a couple of cubic centimetres.
I have yet to use a tripod with my a7 and I have done a tone of low light photography with it. Including using a 85mm and 135mm. Go out and use the camera for a couple of days, without any bias, then come back and make some educated comments. Till then your just make idiotic assumptions. I shot a photo hand held last night at f2.8, iso 6400, and shutter 1/20. Not every photo with these settings turn out sharp but it can be done.
People might wonder why others have migrated to smaller systems (the mirror-less) from more competent (for action, etc) DSLR systems. Owning and using a DSLR, you probably wouldn't be persuaded to use a mirror-less, except out of curiosity. But if you use a mirror-less for a week, it's amazing how attractive the lighter weight of the system becomes. So much so that many people learn to live with the shortcomings. I see many migrating to mirror-less from large DSLR's, but I run into few migrating back.
I still like DSLRs, the ergonomics, the feel, the usually better performance. It's not often practical to carry it all, but at home or on special occasions outdoors, I feel it's worth it.
Just the 2 cents from someone with both mirrorless and DSLRs.
I think it totally up to user preference like you are both saying. I went from the a700 to the a55 and really enjoyed the smaller size. After that I went back to a larger camera, the a77 and was never really excited about it. Sold it and got the nex6 and was very happy with it. I have the a7 now but I might compliment it with the a6000 if the focusing is really good. Depending on what I am shooting I can just take one or or the other with me. As photographers we should be pretty stoked on all the options we have.
@Bluevellet: when I shoot my E-P5 against my D7000 I get annoyed by how slow and inaccurately the Nikon focuses. It is a total pain. And the 2x2 controls of the Olympus are unbeatable. I ended up selling my D7000 because it was too frustrating to focus with it. The Olympus nails focus instantly 100% of the time. The Nikon was slow and nailed focus perhaps 30% of the time.
When I shoot my A7 against my 6D, I notice the enormous gap in ergonomics. The Sony has 3 control dials plus an exposure comp dial. The exposure comp on the Canon is a horrible task, and you can't do it in manual. I hated the ergonomics of the Canon and I sold it. The A7 is way better.
Mike, didn't you just comment on how people write to justify their decisions? Actually you were a little less polite than that!
Why do you feel the need to trash other cameras compared to the model you bought? You hate the Nikon D7000 and you hate the Canon 6D - both fine high performing cameras.
For me, buying a camera is a big deal so I try it out before I buy it and then learn how to use it. I did this with my Canon 7D and my Sony a7.
P.S. Setting exposure compensation on a Canon DSLR is a piece of cake and I never heard that you can't nail focus using any modern Nikon (or Canon) DSLR. In fact focussing and tracking is a major strength of high performing DSLRs - certainly compared to an E-P5
I have a Nikon D4, Canon 1D4 & 1DS3. I got the sony a7R when it was first released. It proved itself on a trip to France, those times when I didn't feel like carrying around 30 lbs of gear. For me it could not replace a pro DSLR, but it's great for.walking around - when going to dinner I prefer not.having my two.think tanks with me.
I got it for my fiancée, she shot with it when I was dragging around the big bodies. It's since been stolen along with the 1Ds3. We will get a replacement though.
I own an A7R and I have been using it with the lenses I have for my Leica M9. The size of these lenses make them a good match although they are far heavier than the Zeiss FE lenses. I have tried some of my f2.8 zoom lenses I use on my D4 but, as others have said, it seems completely stupid and inappropriate to use a massive heavy zoom with the A7R. As I am manually focusing (without problems) I agree with the point made in the review that to get the best out of this camera you need to treat it as if it was a medium format body. The 36 Mpixels sensor is unforgiving. I love the IQ and the colours. So far so good.
Excellent! I was wondering how the A7R compares to the M9? Are the sensors in the same league and leave it to the quality of the lenses you use?
I want to use it like you with a M lens.
Finally read...well, listened to voice over, cannot read because of limited sight. Amazed how much bickering amongst brands, rather than actually asking questions. I just hope a helpful, knowledgable person can assist me in making up my mind if i can operate the sony a7 from my previous post.
Curious if my limited eyesight might keep me from a7/a7r. These error messages that supposedly randomly pop up could be beyond my eyesight to read...my center target view is totally gone. If faced with error, might it stop me in my tracks as to knowing what to?
Interesting camera, but very specialized for ultra-high image quality. Low light focusing issues, and shutter vibration make this camera a one-horse pony for the shooter that knows how to mitigate these issues. Not optimized for handheld shooting. I am very surprised that a mirrorless camera, with no mirror-slap to worry about, would have such huge vibration issues coming from a shutter. The M240 is about the same size and doesn't have these issues. I don't shoot Nikon (Canon & Leica), but I've heard the same vibration issues to a lesser degree with the D800.
Your assessment sounds like its coming from someone who's been pouring over the forums and not actually shooting the camera. Try shooting with it, if you have even the slightest bit of talent you will be extremely pleased with your results, handheld or otherwise. If you're a novice then yes, there are better choices for you.
DSLRs have vibration issues no matter what is done to mitigate them. Shooting through a very long lens (telescope) of 1300mm, I could not get a sharp image, locking up the mirror, timer release. But a m4/3rds Panasonic G1 had no problem, even though the lens was functioning as (effectively) even longer owing to the 4/3 format.
As long as shutters are large and mechanical, it will cost a lot of money to mitigate vibration.
I believe that the vibration issue is the extra step of closing the shutter just before an exposure that is necessary on some mirrorless cameras. In the case of the EM-1, problems are reported at shutter speeds in the 1/100 sec range.
DSLRs can have vibration problems at certain fairly slow shutter speeds but these can generally be overcome by avoiding shutter speeds in the ~1/15 sec range, raising the mirror a few seconds before the exposure and using a wireless remote. I use an 800 mm lens (400 x2) on a Canon 7D for moon shots and don't see a problem. Certainly, 1300mm is an extreme telephoto that requires a very sturdy tripod with perhaps some additional damping of the lens using a separate support. There are many articles explaining how to do this.
The electronic front curtain of the a7 should get rid of any vibration problems. The a7R seems not to have any major problems.
I like the phrase "one horse pony" but I don't know what it means. The shutter shake thing is way overblown - it's a tack sharp monster.
Why oh why is it that, while file sizes continue to go up, camera makers are stuck in USB 2.0 mode?
Maybe because the «Micro USB 3.0» is not micro/small at all!? ;)
...Or (maybe) just because most of us prefer using an external 'card reader/writer' when it comes to file handling...
Just saying... :)
Most of us? Is this the royal we speaking? I think room could be found if there was a will to do so - don't you, hmmmmm? ;-p
It's better to download images using the WiFi connection. No need to either remove the card or plug into the camera.
I am afraid that as long as it has a Sony name on it then it will remain 2nd division. Contax, Pentax, Minolta, Leica, Olympus all produced outstanding 35mm film camera systems aimed at the highest end of the professional markets with little or no commercial success. Its all about brand. And yes I have used one and most of the range as part of my work - its a fine camera.
I am struggling to understand your point ; all of the camera manufacturers you have listed enjoyed long periods of profitability and acclaim while they were making 35mm film systems. It is arguable that the "highest end of the professional markets" would have wanted a larger format film that 35mm ( which both Contax and Pentax provided for film and, later, for digital photography ). I would guess that most of the Minolta/Olympus profits from film SLR's came from sales to enthusiasts.
Yes, brand is important but I don't see that Sony lost the allegiance of the Konica/Minolta clan by changing the name on the camera and their dogged support of the Minolta AF mount and Minolta accessories has since earned them justified loyalty.
You should glory in the fact that a company best known for consumer electronics can overtake the old guard camera makers because of superior technology, well spent R&D and, most significantly, leveraging the Minolta heritage. Premier league and champions elect !
think Pentax is a much better brand than Minolta or Olympus. really sorry for them. Pentax used to mean high quality at low price (or German quality at Japanese price dozens of years ago). Minolta and Olympus mean low price and low quality.
Pentax was one of main forces that crushed German makers. Pentax people were heros that Germans admired and copied. now it seems that it's their turn to go.
"It's all about brand" >> Congratulations, you are every manufacturer/advertiser's dream.
I acknowledge brands have some degree of appeal, almost no one is 100% immune from this.
I guess it's somewhat justifiable, since certain brands have earned their prestige consistently cranking out excellent products through decades.
That said, we should always try to be brand agnostic and not let the name misguide or interfere with our judgement.
Is *this product actually good? If the answer is yes, they can stick a Fisher-Price label on it. I'll buy it anyway.
(*this = whatever)
Needless to say, brand loyalty makes sense if you're committed to a specific system, already own a bag a nice lenses, love a certain blend of features such as jpeg color rendition/UI/ergonomics.
Otherwise, drooling over a name is just pointless and somewhat childish.
When did camera manufacturers turned us into Pavlov's dogs?
In the 70's and 80's I do not recall many pro photographers (newspaper, weddings, sports) using Pentax, Minolta, or other non-Canikon cameras.
to @Yabokkie , you write "Minolta and Olympus mean low price and low quality" ; the facts tell a different story.
Can you explain why Leica, then the pre-eminent camera maker, chose such a low quality camera/lens manufacturer ( Minolta ) in the 70's ahead of Canikon/Pentax to make the "R" series and collaborate on the superb CLE, the world's first "M" mount camera ?
I've just seen a Minolta CLE on Ebay.uk for £1,434 which you may think is a "low price" for a used 34 year old film camera but not according to my budget. And on Ebay, a snip, from Hong Kong ; a used Minolta 600mm telephoto lens for US$ 7,649 that was made in the 1980's. You may have forgotten that John Glen took a Minolta camera into space. I'll leave an Olympus aficionado to do the rest.
Please give me your list of German camera makers that were "crushed" by Pentax.
By the way, the name "Pentax" was stolen from Zeiss Ikon by Asahi when all German patents were annulled after they ( Germany, not Japan ) lost WW II !
@dynaxx...do NOT hold your breath. And keep your English/What the?? Dictionary close at hand ;-)
yes Ranford, a worthless clogger-up of the forums - doesn't know his Takumar from Tele-Tessar as my old Mum used to say ... cheers
> why Leica, then the pre-eminent camera maker, chose such a low quality camera/lens manufacturer
Leica or Zeiss never have a choice but have to use third-class Japanese makers for good ones won't work for them. third-class Japanese is still beter than German though.
To me, having a Sony brand name is not a minus. So long as Canon doesn't offer a digital body that is usable with my huge collection of FD and FL lenses, I will not buy so much as a lens cap from them.
@dynax - i'm with you. yabokki is known to type faster than the speed of his thoughts would seem to allow. But for the sake of historical accuracy, Asahi did pay Zeiss (Jena) for the complete rights to the name Pentax. If Zeiss Ikon (the camera making west german part of Zeiss) were indeed "crushed" by the Spotmatic or wether Zeiss at the time never managed to come up with a coherent product strategy in the slr market is something that can be reasonably debated. I'm inclined to lay the blame on the doorsteps of Zeiss management. But then again, Zeiss was always an optics company first and foremost. Making cameras was a sideline to ensure a steady demand for their lenses.
Your knowledge of the Asahi Optical Co. is more complete than mine @Christoph and your post is interesting.
I got my information from Wikipaedia that says "The name "Pentax" was originally a registered trademark of the East German VEB Zeiss Ikon (from "Pentaprism" and "Contax") but, as all Germans patents were annulled with the country's defeat, the name "Pentax" was taken by the Asahi Optical company in 1957.
"Taken" implies that is was not purchased, to me at least.
However, Cameraquest says "Asahi bought the trademarked "Pentax" name from the East German camera manufacturer VEB Zeiss Ikon in Dresden about 1954." so I accept your historical account.
Gotta love all the insecure comparisons with other cameras in this "Comments" section.
This a UNIQUE (...and, seemingly, excellent) camera.
If you need it, buy one. If not, enjoy your cameras, give it a rest and celebrate the innovation.
But what would the trolls and dipsticks do with their time? Go out and take pictures? That's crazy talk!
a7R is an excellent camera. But, shaking up the market? That sounds a bit too out of touch with reality. None of the latest cameras, including big guns like 5DIII, D800, 1D X or D4, has shaken up the market. Camera market is virtually same as they were few years ago. a7R even doesn't count.
need a slap on that head..the yellow fur makes it over heated..like a FF sensor. shooting RAW video...its all RAW ideas inside..
If by that you mean the upper end is still dominated by Nikon and Canon, you'd be right.
Only few person really needs the features what top models offer. And those people are not hanging around on dpreview forums talking about it but they are on field working and getting the prizes once a year in special events, what are not hold trough Internet.
Lets look back, lets say 50 years. Since then the only real factor for great photo has been the photographer itself.
The photographer choose the correct tool to given situation. He isn't brand believer or promote the manufacturer or lens when he is discussing about taken photos with other top photographers. They talk about the stories how they got to place, how they ended up to situation and what they saw
The four crucial technical informations are enough.
1) Shutter speed
2) Aperture
4) Focal Length
In last 50 years, photographers have taken from good to awesome photos with gear what is "inferior" to current top models.
Some Dpreview fans believe camera takes the great photo, like mouth say nice compliments.
As nobody says Nikon D600/D800, I am finally happy that I can read two reviews for two different cameras: Sony A7 and Sony A7R. DPR finally accepted the real facts.
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Dis the President make an offer lawmakers could not refuse?
A Catholic bishop on Tuesday practically accused President Aquino of "bribing" members of the House of Representatives to vote in favor of the reproductive health (RH) bill.
Antipolo Bishop Gabriel Reyes said he personally knew of five lawmakers who consistently voted against the bill but changed their position after Malacañang threatened to withhold their pork barrel.
"P-Noy (Pres. Aquino) says if there's no poor, there will be no corrupt (but) if you force a congressman to change his principle, his conscience for pork barrel, government projects, political favors, it's like you are already bribing the congressmen," Reyes said at a Church forum in Intramuros, Manila.
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He said he was "convinced" that the bill would have lost on second reading if not for Malacañang's intervention.
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Reyes said one of the five lawmakers, whom he refused to name, even asked for forgiveness because of the difficult situation he was in.
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Reyes said the CBCP would support moves by Catholic lawyers to challenge the bill in the Supreme Court once it was signed into law.
"I know of a group of lawyers who plan to appeal this to the Supreme Court because it is against the Constitution. It is against religious freedom. One provision of the Constitution says the government should protect the family and, I think, also to protect marriage," he said.
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I'm going to take a short break from my series of posts on Odin's heiti to ramble on about a few topics that are a little more personal, both because I haven't done so for a while and because I haven't been able to find any heiti for Him that begin with C. (Chieftain and Creator, maybe, but the actual names that incorporate those concepts don't begin with C in Old Norse, because Old Norse does not contain the letter C. Maybe that post will come to me next week.)
As regular readers may have noticed, I haven't been doing as much posting as usual, and that's been for a few reasons. One is that this is turning out to be a year heavy on study, training and contemplation for me, and a lot of the latter is difficult to get into words at times. January was not a good month for me, energy-wise, and I haven't posted a new oracular seidhr schedule yet because I spent much of the first month of the year recovering from Yule. (Schedule is coming soon, I promise!) The month began well enough, with the usual hopes and plans for the new year, and ended with the revelation that our dog, Corbie J., is indeed in the beginning stages of congestive heart failure. So. He is on maintenance meds for that, and it looks like we may have caught it early enough to be able to extend his life, hopefully for a few years.
But still, there is a weight there before that had not been there previously, a shadow on my heart. The promise of future loss. We have to pretend that shadow isn't there to avoid upsetting the dog, since that would obviously not be good under the circumstances, but you have probably noticed—and will continue to—me scrambling to get yarn spun and ritual cords made, and to work on other long-delayed projects for my store such as art batts for spinning, bags of loose hand dyed locks and add-ins for carding, cords for knot spells, witches' ladders, jarred beeswax candles, oils and incenses, prayer beads, perhaps video tutorials, anything and everything I can do towards continuing my process of pursuing disability and leaving my office job while at the same time being able to help pay for our household needs and afford the dog's expensive medicines and my own. (Not to mention our one cat, Berzerker, who is on expensive meds of his own, for severe allergies that cause him to break out with pustules if his steroids are stopped.) My first thought, when new unavoidable expenses such as this come up (besides the meds, Corbie will need more frequent doctor visits, and the one from last week was over $300 with all the tests) is always "I'll go back to working full time." But Jo actually gets angry when I propose this, because we both know I can't; I am on 25 hours per week now, and sometimes too sick to get to work even with those reduced hours, so we both know that it's only with extreme effort and will that I keep on working the hours I've got now.


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