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On the steps of the 1905 home of her grandparents, Kristen Leigh Marang will become the bride of Joshua Michael Daugherty on Saturday, July 14, 2007, at 7 p.m.
Kristen is the daughter of Traci and Ricky Marang of Foyil. Her grandparents are Louise and Finis Ward of Foyil, and Bonnie and the late Ronnie Marang of Claremore.
Kristen is a 2007 graduate of Foyil High School and attended Northeast Vo-Tech's nursing program. She is employed by Claremore Regional Hospital as a phlebotomist.
Josh is the son of Lana and Jay Daugherty of Vinita. His grandparents are Helen and the late Pike Morris of White Oak, and Sandra and Bill Daugherty of Vinita.
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Jagger jokes over Stones' £100,000 fine
Mick Jagger last night laughed off the Rolling Stones' £100,000 fine for breaking curfew at their O2 Arena show in London on Sunday.
Speaking to the crowd at their second 50th anniversary concert in the same venue, the singer said the six-figure sum amounted to the price of ten tickets.
The Stones were penalised for running past time after having started late at the weekend, forcing them to miss out (I Can't Get No) Satisfaction from their 50 And Counting set.
Jagger told fans: "We're more relaxed tonight. We'll get to play the whole thing. We had to pay £100,000 because we went on too long. That's like… ten seats!"
Former band members BIll Wyman and Mick Taylor once again made appearances – see a fan-shot clip of Taylor's guest spot below. Eric Clapton took the stage for Champagne And Reefer while Florence Welch of Florence And The Machine sang on Gimme Shelter.
Jagger made another reference to the band's high ticket prices after they performed Beatles track I Wanna Be Your Man, which, until Sunday, they hadn't played since 1964.
He said: "Blimey, that's an old song. Back then, the price of a pint of milk was three pence, the price of a loaf of bread was sixpence and the price of a concert ticket was – I'd better not go there."
Rolling Stones setlist
Get Off Of My Cloud
I Wanna Be Your Man
The Last Time
Paint It Black
Gimme Shelter (with Florence Welch)
Lady Jane
Champagne And Reefer (with Eric Clapton)
Live With Me
Miss You
One More Shot
Doom And Gloom
It's Only Rock 'N' Roll (But I Like It) (with Bill Wyman)
Honky Tonk Women (with Bill Wyman)
Before They Make Me Run (sung by Keith Richards)
Happy (sung by Keith Richards)
Midnight Rambler (with Mick Taylor)
Start Me Up
Tumbling Dice
Brown Sugar
Sympathy For The Devil
You Can't Always Get What You Want
Jumpin' Jack Flash
(I Can't Get No) Satisfaction
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Any day now researchers can be expected to conclude the best thing parents could do for children is to have none in the first place.
It wouldn't be all that surprising amid the deluge of useless advice thrown at parents on how best to raise their kids.
The latest tip for mums and dads, in draft federal government guidelines reported this week, is that children should not watch television until they're two years old.
Now there's a simple rule about TV at our place: it only goes on for short periods after breakfast and dinner. This gives the grown-ups time to do things like get showered in the mornings and cook in the evenings.
The TV can also occasionally be switched on if mum or dad is on the verge of emotional collapse after a day of playing with blocks, sculpting small villages out of play-dough, reading Where Is The Green Sheep seven times, running chaotically around a park stooped halfway to the ground, handling toilet training, preparing meals and fetching snacks.
Our daughter has had this twice-daily TV routine for over a year, since around her first birthday. Now we're told this means she could have stunted language development or a shortened attention span, though you wouldn't detect either when she sings several verses of a nursery rhyme or demands yet another reading of Green Eggs and Ham.
These guidelines effectively say a parent should feel guilty for sticking the nipper in front of the box in order to preserve their sanity.
So add watching television to the ever-growing list of things parents shouldn't do to children. It seems every week there is some new study or advice warning that normal parenting behaviour is going to turn their children into under-achievers or substance abusers or John McEnroe.
Here are just three examples of real research warnings to parents in recent weeks.
Background noise makes kids stupid. Parents in the many Australian suburbs under flight paths will be horrified to learn of international research cited by New Zealand audiologists showing background noise can impede learning.
Plastic water bottles make kids crazy. A chemical commonly found in the plastic compounds of drinks bottles and food packaging has been linked to heightened aggression and hyperactivity by a US study.
If a kid is sick, treatment could be dangerous.This month's issue of the journal Paediatrics reports 500,000 children in the US end up in hospital every year with bad reactions to drugs. Doctors warned parents to pay close attention when their children start medication.
I want to stress this is not to take anything from the real implications of each of these studies but they are part of the torrent of do's and don'ts directed at today's parents.
It goes on. A teachers' conference in Adelaide was told last week of a review of studies involving a total of 50,000 schools and 200 million students that had shown changing schools, television and school holidays had negative effects on education.
My favourite personal story of parenting advice is when a Montessori teacher told us children couldn't learn the alphabet by rote. Instead, she argued, children should be introduced to the sound of letters instead of the letters themselves. Which is all a long way of saying that learning the alphabet the old A, B, C way doesn't work.
"Bingo," I thought, "that's why I've never been able to get past L."
And then there's what to feed the kids. Allergies are on the rise – some studies say instances of food allergies are up 20 per cent over the past decade.
Thankfully there has been a research breakthrough that means kids can be cured by eating peanuts but starting with tiny amounts – about one one-thousandth of a peanut a day – according to research published earlier this year.
This is, of course, a great solution for any parent whose child has a food allergy. Just pick up an electron microscope from your local science equipment supplier. By the end of next week the little one will be up to seven one-thousands of a peanut. They can probably have a half a Snickers bar on their eightieth birthday.
It would be useful if someone could do some research on the effects of these studies - and the advice that comes out of them - on parents themselves. At the very least it would probably stop at least one research team toiling for a year or two to add another item to the list of things for parents to fear.
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TY says:
It's just advice, not the law. If parents want to plonk their toddlers in front of the TV then they can. It's their lives. But is there seriously anyone who would claim that a lot of TV is good for littlies and maybe keeping them away from it would be a good idea?
Trevor says:
It's all a complete load of crap. Do what feels right, adjust what you do as you choose.
These money used to fund these studies should be directed into finding the Parents who neglect or abuse their children.
TV is neither neglect or abuse.
David says:
Obviously , the research industry is booming and there are a lot individuals trying to justify their employment . One hears , ad nauseam , '' research '' has shown this and that and all sorts of blatant bullshit . Someone will do research to show that getting out of bed is a major cause of death .
Old Clive says:
I was raised without T.V., my favourite show was " The search for the Golden Boomerang " which was backed by shyhoskies "Waltz of the flowers". I didn't have any toys because they were confiscated for the war effort,i suspect for the rehabilitation of american soldiers. Is it any wonder that I can't rtelate to much of the crap that is going on in this modern world. I wanted to learn to play the piano when I was 8 years old, I finally started when I was 73 after raising my children and working all my life paying taxes to receive my old age pension of 25% of the normal wage. I think that should be the formula for all pensions.
My first toy was a yoyo, it taught me about life, it works on spin the main weapon in the modern politicans armoury.
Gladys says:
Quite right, Trevor and David. What would these self appointed so called experts know about bringing up kids? Academics, pah! I'll bet many of them are lesbian feminists who will never have children. I was raised myself by being shut in a room with the TV from an early age with cartoons and, on Sundays, the American holy roller preachers. In the afternoons, it was days of our lives. And so on. Mum was busy, making sure everything was alright for when the milkman called and afterwards, when Dad came home. She also had her tennis club, the Liberal Party womens auxiliary, and the parish council. I appreciate the sacrifices she made so that I could grow up in a more moral world.
COF says:
TY: "It's just advice, not the law."
True, but when the government gives advice, it only takes a few years before "well meaning citizens" start throwing it in your face. They might as well make it illegal when that happens.
Is it so hard to leave people alone, even when they offend your sensibilties?
JB says:
A word of advice from an old parent of 44 with a 20 year old & an 18 year old, to all the young parents out there. Ignore all the so called experts & hype. If you listen to all the gaga our thre - pretty soon you'll be gaga. Do the best you can. Mostly kids need love, support & care. That's it! No big secret. Ignore the nay sayers & doom & gloom predictors & enjoy your kids.
Sera says:
My parents did not have a TV in the house untill I was eleven. I cannot remember what I did when I was two, but I could read by age three and was reading Secret Seven novels at age 6. I have a normal IQ, but because of my reading ability I was skipped a grade at school, recieved perfect marks for English in year 12, and a few high distinctions at university, and now I am embarking on a research career in psychology! So less TV for kids may mean they'll grow up to produce more research like this.
Rod says:
"Here is the up sheep, and here is down sheep." Bloody hell I wish Mem had put the green sheep on page 3 of that book. Then it would be more like ... "Ahh, here's the green sheep already, fast asleep. How cute. Now shut your eyes, it's eight o'clock."
Adam says:
Research shows that the best way to make a living without doing any actual work is…....... to do research!
DG says:
JB, add attention to that list and I think that you've just about got it covered.
For many, many thousands of years the human race has developed, grown and evolved without this "research". Sure there are some people that are incapable of looking after children, but for the vast majority of people having and raising children is just another part of life - you do what you've got to do.
We have to ask ourselves "What is the purpose of this Research? and who Benefits?". Invariably it is some group with agenda - be it the evils of day care, TV, snacks, risk of injury - that funds or carries out the research to prove their point. I'm not suggesting that they don't have the best of intentions, but it's still just an agenda. Who benefits? I'm sure that they would argue that everyone does, but the reality is that the human race will probably continue without it - that's not to say that their research isn't useful, but in the case of something that is so clearly subjective, and with so many factors on the development of a child, it's almost impossible for research to distinguish between good and bad parenting.
It's possible that there are any number of factors that affect a childs development. My brother (the middle of 3) didn't really talk until he was 4, Dr's decided any number of things were wrong with him - developmental issues and the likes. It wasn't until well after he started talking more that they realised that he was a shy kid and, with 2 loud brothers, he'd just never had a need to talk. Neither my youngest brother nor myself understood why the middle one was getting all this speech therapy - he had always talked to us. The moral of the story - just because a kids doesn't behave the way you expect doesn't mean that there is something wrong.
Please, keep in mind the research and the stats are determined by assessing children that don't know that they are being assessed, may have many other influences on their development and may not understand the purpose of the test. They are carried out and reported with an agenda in mind - usually undisclosed. Take their advice with a grain of salt - it's interesting at best.
If there is something wrong, by all means seek help, but don't respond to the hype when raising a child. Generally you will know your child better than any one else will.
suze says:
Ironic how experts can preach to parents how to raise our kids yet at the same time condone the use of drugs like Ritalin for kids with ADHD that causes psychosis. So would the "experts" rather parents lose the plot all together with eventual meltdown when they can't themselves have a time-out from the demands of young children? Surely this can lead to abuse especially when kids are under the age of 2 and parental fatigue sets in.
How many of these experts firstly "have" children? secondly, how many of these "experts" actually care for their children?
Sorry, but talking baby and child ga ga 24/7 is not healthy for the mind. Adults need mental stimulation also.
This is just parenting fascism, aren't we under enough pressure. And of course there'll be those who will nag "If you can't look after your children don't have them". And if everyone followed that advice there would be NO children. Common sense, of course TOO MUCH TV is not good for you but give us parents a break!
It's either a TV in the house or silence. Which will benefit my child more?
Mark says:
My boys both watched TV. We did though provide them with a diet of educational as well as entertainment and sports television. We now have two well developed boys who are socially accepted by friends. They compete at all endeavours large and small. They are now very good communicators at all levels; sometimes a little too communicative. Television was at times a de-facto parent. And it did a good job. It taught them some good general knowledge. Developed language skills and gave them a rounded view of the world. I have some friends inflicting home schooled teenagers who have never seen any television onto an unsuspecting world. They have no social skill, little understanding of normal teenage life. Whilst I don't think that a diet of Hannah Montana is a pre-requisite a little variety outside of the home viewed from behind the safety of a television does less harm than plunging your kids into a world with no knowledge. I believe the secret is the diet. There is lots of junk to consume. Eat some of it but don't make that the diet.
Sam Chowder says:
When I was a kid I used to look at ants and bugs all the time but they only did 11 episodes
Nat says:
@Sera 0:29am
I am the mother of an 8 year old daughter. She, too, was able to read by the age of 3 and once she commenced Kindergarten was put into a composite class to enable her to complete year 1 work as she already knew what was being taught to the kindergarten children. As a student who is now in year 2 (another composite class with year 3 students actually), we have been told each year at parent teacher interviews that her reading ability is around 3 years advanced for her age. Obviously we are yet to see whether she will received perfect marks for English in year 12.
All this from a child who had the Nick Jnr channel on 24/7.
Who knows, maybe she will grow up and embark on a career in Psychology? Hopefully not in research though. Maybe to help all those children who grow into adults and won't take any responisibility for their lives being a mess, blaming their parents for allowing them to watch television as toddlers instead.
Liz says:
Come on now don't be silly! You know there's sense in there on all these things, anything taken to extremes is dangerous even journalsim!
Stephen Pickells says:
Wasn't it Geoffrey Blayney who said recently that watching television helps to develop communication skils?
iansand says:
I didn't have TV at home until my teenage years. I could not join in half the conversations at school because I had not seen the shows, or watched the sport. Not a good result for socialisation.
Balance and moderation is the answer.
RT says:
'erbert, I hardly think I'd be related to someone so lacking in self respect that they'd drop the first letter of their own name. What are you implying exactly? And your use of LOL - are you referring to me as a 'little old lady'? Because apart from the impudence, let me assure you that I am a large, fit and sprightly woman and I could teach you the manners your parents clearly never did.
Mem fan says:
you only had to read "Where's the Green Sheep?" seven times in a row?
my daughter would NEVER have allowed that.
Phil says:
Our TV is usually on a combination of kids channels on foxtel and ABC Kids between 9am and 6pm. Our two and a half yr old watches it some of the time and other times is happy to wander off and play elsewhere (including outside). She knows her ABCs, can count to 20 in english, up to 10 in Spanish (thanks to Dora the Explorer for that one), has colours and animals nailed, can finish puzzles for ages 3+ and can sing pretty much any common nursery rhyme you can name ... assuming she's happy to perform(!).
Is TV stunting her development? I might be biased, but what a load of rubbish.
Sera says:
@Nat - to be a psychologist you HAVE to do research. First a research project in 4th year (honours) and then another in the masters program.
Bob says:
I thought the goverment was meant to be there to run the day to day operations of public systems. Wasnt aware we pay them to tell us how to live. Thought that was Religions job. Didnt we have something in our constitution to seperate the two?
ImaWestie says:
What's worse for the kids:
* watching TV
* being put in a playpen for the amount of time they used to spend watching TV
Andika says:
It seems like everyday, Rudd & Co like to slowly takeaway another freedom.
I never would have thought that someone would discribe a child reading as and inactive activity. This is the type of crap you'd expect the Taliban to use.
message to Rudd & co - Piss off!
cranky says:
To quote my own parents… 'everything in moderation'.
My child is 2.5 watches probably an hour a day in total of Wiggles DVDs and old Muppets videos and sometimes ABC Kids, which, as author or article points out, is so I can shower, cook dinner or keep my relationship on track by having an adult conversation with my partner… Rather than stunting his development, he has a vast vocabulary and has so since he was 2, vivid imagination, can count and knows his colours, animals, different makes of cars, utensils, items of food etc etc… And I suspect this has as much to do with TV and the fact that the primary adults around him speak to him in sentences and correct English - not baby talk.
He's incredibly loved and he knows it. We think TV can be fun. We love watching old Muppets episodes together. Go back and check the one with John Cleese, Peter Sellers, Harry Belafonte or Alice Cooper. Hilarious.
Enough of the crap from the "experts". The only expert about your children is you.
Having said that let's not forget that not every parent blessed with the requisite amount of emotional or basic intelligence… but I don't think those people are reading research or listening to what the government says. They're down at the pokies/pub/track/beauty parlour.
E says:
I dont know about the research either way, but theres no way I would want a baby/toddler exposed to advertising. We are expecting our first in 4 months, and will be disconnecting the free to air poison tube.
DVD's and downloads only, and mum and me can get the news on the ultra-tube, traditional media is dead, long live the bittorrent
H says:
Not completely arguing with your article her Paul, but just a question…I think a really important question….Why is that debates about what's good for kids immediatley go to the difficulties this causes parents?....Or to put it another way, why does does it appear that our primary concern about parenting is the difficulties it causes us adults, rather than our primary concern being the best interests of children?
Jodi says:
Completely agree 'H'! The comments posted here are awfully embarassing. And to be honest I doubt it if the authors of the study really give two hoots about how other people raise their kids. They've just found a correlation between language competency and less television viewing time. Finding a statistical correlation is hardly 'preaching' to parents about how to raise their kids. So why do people get so damned defensive??
ts says:
hey sera…
minus the psych, your bio sounds a hell of a lot like mine… taught myself to read by 3, skipped a year of school, got high distinctions at uni blah blah.
however, not only did i look forward to watching some rage and sat morning cartoons as a yougster i also moved schools. a lot. my younger brother and sister watched the same tv as me but rarely read now. each to their own.
let parents raise their kids how they think is best, end of story.
acker says:
For all the issues about day care centres, why not start kids at school as 3 year olds.
They get socialised and educated by teachers rather than day care nannys.
Add to that Social Security payment penalties for absenteeism as absenteism without Doctors Cerificates and good reason is often an early indicator for a plethora of possible at risk problems including child abuse. And also often leads to education deficiencies later on with that childs learning.
I would also like to see kids given breakfast when they get to school
Not because I disagree that it is the parents responsibility to make sure they are fed before they get to school.
But because I know parents are out there that are not feeding their kids a proper breakfast, some are out there giving them Cola and Lollies for Brekky, some are not giving them any breakfast at all.
Either way they are sending a kid to school who is likely to disrupt a classroom and the education of other kids their to learn, possibly mine or yours.
Annh says:
According to Stephen Dubner and Steven Levitt, authors of Freakonomics, something like 90% of how your child will turn out is determined before they are born by genetics, socio-economic status, their position in the family etc. mostly things out of your direct control. For instance a child is more likely to be a reader if there are books in the house, even if you never read one to him/her.
So relax, enjoy the ride. You've already made your child. Fads in child rearing come and go. Do what feels right to you. A little TV won't kill them.
Jolanda says:
Sera if what you say is true about your development and your achievements and you say you have a 'normal IQ' then I would have to question what you call "normal".? How we bring up a child is so controversial as it depends so much on the individual child and a person's belief's and culture. Every child and family is different. With regard to education one concern that some parents have is that the minimim benchmarks that have been set for our children by the Government are too low and they are dropping the standards. Most parents do not believe that 50% or less is a pass, or an acceptable result, yet there are those in our Government and Education system who do!
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It's not just studies on children, it's everything. One minute I'm told to drink cows milk ('it's natural'), then I'm told that I should drink soy milk because cows milk promotes allergies and soy milk can prevent problems associated with female hormones as I get older. The next week I'm told that soy milk gives you cancer.
Alcohol is even worse. '26 glasses a week prevents alzheimers'.... 'more than 1 glass a day gives you cancer'... 'red wine prevents cancer'.... gah!
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–Notre Dame has had 10 plays of over 40 yards this season, ranking in a tie for 79th nationally with Maryland, Bowling Green, Pittsburgh, South Carolina and Texas-San Antonio.
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(48 Posts)Ok, here's the scoop. I'm finding a lot of the 'mummy friends' I've met since having the kids - brace yourselves, it sounds bad - are fake, not real or true. I'm sure many might say exactly that of me. Or perhaps it's not them, or me, but the situation we all just find ourselves in. A life-stage thing.
Friends simply because we have kids. That's the entry point. Do you ever get deeper? I find that I can't. I really do try to talk about other things that are not always school/domestic related, but it seems their appetite for other material is not there - I don't mean politics or hard work talk but past experiences/hopes/dreams/views.
I guess it's the pretence I'm feeling. Everyone trying to portray that they're doing everything great. And there seems to be a bit of judging going on with no one able to really be honest and open.
It could very well be me and my own shortcomings that make me feel this way, and the fact that i'm in a new town and making friends anew.
And there are the dinner parties. A whole dinner party cycle going on round here where everyone just talks about schools and kids and its all rather la de da, keeping up with the jones' and then taking it in turns to get out the best china and napkin rings to do it all again (Sorry, but that really is how it is).
Please help shed some light, some sanity or, if you must, scolding true MN style.
You don't have to be part of this circle if you don't want to...
Maybe these people just aren't your 'type'?
OMG I think I want to be sick
I've had 3 kids and not once did I feel the need to have 'Mummy friends' <pukes liberally>
If other people find that sort of thing helpful/supportive then good on them.
But I simply kept in touch with the same friends I always had before I gave birth, regardless of whether they'd had kids themselves or not.
Most of them have by now anyway.
Wow! Where do you live Sunningdale?
I must be very lucky as I live oop North, we have mugs, not best china and though the talk does sometimes turn to schooling it more regularly is about work, holidays, gardening, who we fancy and which of us has daftest child.
I think I would find a more genuine set of friends if I were you. Maybe enrol on a short course?
Smash it up. Invite them round for fish n chips then ply them with vodka.
Who the hell says "here's the scoop?"
I think once you have had kids it's harder to find common ground with new friends as there is just not that much going on in everyone's lives in the early years....
Some of the friends I made when I smelled of sick all day and felt like I was forever up to my elbows in pooh were exactly as you describe op we used each other, in a good way I think, but we found ourselves drifting once we started wearing our nice clothes again and had two hands to spare...
Saying that, some of those mummy friends will be friends for life, the friendship has worked in exactly the opposite way... some of those mummy friends have lasted and will last the distance. Mostly, those are the friends who wanted to be themselves occassionally, to dance on tables (but not in public) to have a grown up laugh, to tell crude jokes, to talk about ANYTHING other than babies.
My babies are both school age now, my baby obsessed friends are gone, my crackin mates remain. I think I am lucky.
Oopla, I've only ever heard journalists say that before [hmmm]
Or even
I think beenhereayear is right.
I haven't had much success with making new friends since DS.
I think this is usual when you meet up as a group as children are your common ground. Is this still the case when you meet one of the mums on a one to one basis?
I moved to a new area when I was pregnant with DS3 and made new friends through Mumsnet and another parenting website. Initially our conversations centred on our children but they're not the main topic of conversation now.
If you really don't see these friendships going any further but you do want to widen your social circle then try joining groups/classes that are based on something that interests you or go to your local Mumsnet section and leave a message on the Friendship Bench message board. You may just find a couple of kindred spirits.
It sounds like the issue is that you are in a new town and expecting to replace your old friends with friends you've made through having children. They probably only talk about the children because that's all you have in common, it's just you notice it more as you've left your other friends behind. So I sympathise but YABU!
I say 'here's the scoop!'
Thanks for your views everyone. You're saying what I want to hear. You're right, I don't have to conform. Would love to have my old friends nearby to spend my time with, sadly they're all hours away, as are my family. We do as many weekends away as we can and have them over to us too but I do want local friends too. Guess these are just not my type.
Don't live in Sunnigdale but it does feel like it sometimes!!
The fact that you're new and in a new town is a big factor. I'm also starting again with new friends and ds is much older, and there is nothing like the intensity that there was with the mum friends I met when he was 2/3.
When the children are growing up together from day one, you almost feel a responsibility to keep all their friends close, and maybe you start to feel like it's the only friendship group you can fit into.
The best thing about it, is that it's a real eye opener to different types of people - you get to know people you would never choose to be around, it's good experience! With some, you realise it's never going to work and drift apart.
Try suggesting to them going for an evening out. Once the children are not around you may find things are different.
I say 'here's the scoop' too. And was highly embarrassed when it was the catchphrase for the ditzy PR character in 2012 on BBC2.
About five of the Mummy Friends are still friends, the rest are people I run into in Waitrose and say hi to. But the survivors are the ones who'd probably been friends anyway if we'd happen to do university together, the way I found the rest of my friends.
We never really got into dinner parties with our circle of mummy friends thank god.
Mmm, maybe I need to stay open minded, i do also realise you've got to work on friendships and let them grow. It's up to me to get to know them better perhaps, see behind the facade. But then I don't want facades to even be a factor in my friendships!
I'm not sure it's ALWAYS a facade, when I was a nervous new mum with few friends, well none at all actually that lived within visiting distance, it took a while for me to feel comfortable enough to be something other than a pleasant 'mummy friend'. I think the turning point came when a large group of us held a fundraiser for the toddler group, in a pub, in fancy dress (the idea horrified me at the time). On the morning after the night before I knew who's company I really enjoyed, and who's I didn't.
I'm not sure getting blotto is something that would usually be recommended when giving advice as to how to find friends, but it worked for me.
Sounds like they're not much fun, now you're past the point of being friends out of necessity. Time to make less effort with them and foster new friendships methinks.
Worra Really? The idea is nauseating?
None of my pre-DS friends lived locally, nor did they have children yet, so if I hadn't made 'mummy friends' I'd have had no one to talk to but DS!
That's the problem really, all my existing friends work full time, so bar the odd lunch date and weekend plans, you have to find new friends at playgroups and postnatal classes, ie other mums.
Yes, I've made a few superficial friends that I'll never be close with, but have also met some great women whose conversation extends beyond nappies. No sick bag required.
Why do friends have to be either Close, True, Forever friends or Fake. Isn't it both more realistic and kinder to acknowledge that most people have friends on different levels, that friends sometimes come together and drift apart, and that it can be impossible to judge from the outset who will be a longterm friend (I've had some surprises there).
It's fairly common when a largish group of people are together socially then the conversation is dull non offensive and inclusive. This isn't particular to mummy friends. It could apply equally to work friends or golf club friends or neighbour friends. It takes ages to make proper friends. Some of my best friends are women I've met through school/toddler group and others are 'superficial' friends who I enjoy a passing conversation with but whom I would never see again if one of us moved away. The same as I had a huge pack of friends at university but I'm only in real ie not exclusively FB contact with 3 of them now and I only see one person from my old job.
Thank you everyone for your views. cory I have wondered whether I just need to accept there are different sorts of friends you can have. I supposed that bit's down to me and being more open minded, not worrying/thinking about it all too much, or judging them.
I also don't get worra's vitriol towards 'mummy friends'. I also kept in touch with my old childfree friends - and we're still good friends. But it's not like they were there during the day when I was bored out of my mind with a newborn. Maybe some people can deal with being at home/doing stuff by themselves all day, but I needed company!
OP, my 'mummy friends' (do hate that phrase though) were fantastic, years on from birth we're still all close. Nothing like you describe - I have never seen a set of napkin rings at anyone's house - although we are all so different from one another. If I were you I'd make an effort to extend my social circle.
Can't say I really recognise your description TBH. Met women through babies, toddlers etc at toddler groups and so on. They were lovely ladies and the ones I continue seeing almost 10 yrs later are people I genuinely enjoy spending time with.
Aright, WorraLiberty - no need to over-egg the pudding....! Enough with the puking and being sick. We get it.
I didn't get on with my NCT group - I mean I did, they were fine, but I didn't have enough in common with any of them to be true friends. My best friend of 35 years had her PFB 3 weeks before I had mine, so we were lucky to have each other in the early horror days and beyond.
But I can absolutely see why people get enjoyment out of meeting other new mothers in the same boat, and I know for a fact that while it doesn't really pan out long-term for many people (i.e. me) lots of lifelong friendships are forged with fellow Mum friends for other people. Lucky them.
You sound a bit intense. If one if my ''mummy friends" started trying to have a deep and meaningful with me I'd run a mile. I'm quite happy to keep things on a superficial level actually.
You're obviously buying into the shite if you've become part of the dinner party circuit. But a sense of something - ego? Insecurity? Makes you sneer at it.
I think there are different types of friends. I made lots of 'mummy friends' with dc1 and a few less with dc2. They worked well at the time and most of them I stop and chat to if I see but are no longer people I make the effort to see regularly. Despite enjoying their company at the time, it worked because we had children at the same stages. With dc now 12 and 9, I realise I have made one lifelong really close friend from each pregnancy and so have two close friends to add to my pre-children friends.
Perhaps enjoy them for what they are and one or two may turn into 'proper' friends and see it as a bonus if they do.
Whenever you meet a new group of people, it always stays superficial for a while, then you just click with one or two, and you may develop a friendship with those outside the group. You are not going to be best mates with all of them...
As to napkin rings
I've come to view the other mothers that I meet though my DC's almost in the way I used to view work colleagues. I don't expect to become lifelong friends with everyone who comes round for coffee anymore than I expected to become best mates with the person I sat across a desk from everyday. I'm friendly towards them, offer to help them out with stuff if they need help, accept social invitations and generally get along with them.
I've had mums who practically lived at my house while our kids were friends at pre school and then never saw them again once the kids started primary school in different classes and the mum throws herself into networking with all the new mums!
But occasionally you just click with someone and a gradual mutual friendship developers. I have three wonderful close friends I made during my working life but I must have worked with hundreds of different people over the 20 years I worked in Banking.
I've got one close friend that I've made through my kids since becoming a SAHM 6 years ago and we've only become friends in the last two years.
Thank you pour, beachy, angels - really helpful perspectives.
I quite liked having a little group of 'superficial' friends from NCT for the year after DD was born. We used to meet up weekly and just kind of look at each other in a stunned way and the deepest debate was pretty much whether it was worth going to the park. It was really nice.
I do stay in touch with just one of them, 14 years later and the brilliant thing about this friendship is that she is so different from the kind of person I would usually meet. To be honest, 14 years ago all we had in common was the children, but now we have loads of history too and caring about someone with completely different political / environmental / parenting views has been life enriching. Perhaps give it time OP - the most surprising people might turn out to be good friends.
It's easy to over-analyse. My kids are one and three, I've a couple of genuine friends I've met at playgroups, a few acquaintances, same as through work etc. It isn't something I really think about.
As for fakery - it's too hard to put on an act. Be honest, be yourself, if they like it great, if not, don't worry about it!
Isn't there something about friends being in your life for a reason, a season, or a lifetime. Just accept they are in your life for a reason, enjoy their company for what it is and don't worry about it not becoming a lifelong friendship.
I've met two mums since having DD and I have just the same friendships with them that I do with my other friends. We do stuff with the kids, go out on our own and talk about other stuff apart from children. I fond the idea of having 'mummy friends' who are basically not really 'friends' a bit strange really.
Nice if you can keep old friends, but if you move a long way away (try 10,500 miles) then y'know, "mummy" friends can be very helpful in settling in.
I have made friends among the mums I have met through playgroup. Some of them were only of the "chat to at playgroup but never see outside" variety; others were more of the "we must get together to have coffee" variety, and a few have become the "sob on each others' shoulders when necessary" variety.
In any group you should find people of each of these (or similar) groups - if not, move on, try other groups.
But I have lived here for 3.6 years now; it's taken a while to get to really know some of the friends I have, and a couple of them it's been quite quick. All depends on who you click with! And believe me, our conversations range all over the place, including politics (although we're a bit careful with that one )
I think it's just as daft to despise women just for being other mums as it is to expect to become best buddies with them - in the end, they're all just people, like you are - with their own interests and contributions - some you'll like, and some you won't. See the ones you like; ignore the ones you don't
I do find your experience strange simply because conversation in itself is a moveable thing and hops from one thing to another in a stream of consiousness.
I dont see how a conversation esp at a dinner party with wine is corralled to only talking about children?
I have found that at anything where you have to go because you have a child, the talk starts with the DC then eventually moves on...
Ha - this sounds like some of my NCT group! Unfortunately we didn't have much in common, this happens.
I later (also through the NCT) met another group of mums, who were mainly also SAHMs like me and who had similar aged DCs. Several years later we are close, have had second babies together and get on very well.
I think you just need to meet more people...
Oi, you lot, I have a couple of mum-friends who live or have lived in Sunningdale and nowt fake about them - we discussed our childbirth stitches together in gruesome detail over a biscuit or twelve after our DCs were born.
As you were.
I have had the same experience with feeling like I'm playing a bit of a role with NCT group 'friends'. The discussion of what babies' poo looks like/should look like, how much they're eating and when is really a bit tedious. I think I would get on with all if not most of them, if we could only get the conversation away from poo and milk!
It reminds me of freshers week actually now I think of it. Everyone desperately trying not to admit they're completely out of their depth...
Some of the older women I know have really close friends they met when they all had their children, so it obviously does work sometimes.
I had never heard of "mummy friends" before mumsnet.
I understand the idea now but I really can't get my head around the phrase.
I hate it when someone starts a thread about "mum friends" and these horrible scathing posts appear about how utterly nauseating it is to make friends with anyone else who has a child (usually with undertones insinuating that you must be pretty weak and pathetic to need any further friends for "support").
Like many other people, I had dc at least 5 years before my friends. We had recently moved so only a few lived anywhere near us and, erm, they were at work all day. And I was on mat leave for a year. So I could have enjoyed the scintillating company of baby ds all day and not talked to another adult or I could have made the shocking leap of acquiring some friends who were also not at work all day.
I have had friends that I enjoyed spending time with at school, university, work, various hobbies, and baby groups / school gate. Most of them were fairly superficial relationships and we didn't stay in touch when that phase of our lives were over. A few remained really good friends.
So, OP, I think this is pretty normal at all sorts of life stages. Maybe you've just been unlucky and not found anyone that "clicks" yet. Or maybe everyone's pretending and thinking the same thing! FWIW, my oldest dc is 6 and I have four or five really close friends from his early days who have been great fun and fantastic practical help that I wouldn't have got from anyone else. We go out for drinks and don't talk much about the kids!
This is a really interesting thread and has made me feel all hormonally fond of and grateful for my good friends.
Liege my experience is exactly like you describe - I've made a few lifelong friends and lots of temporary passing friends in each stage of my life.
OP, your group sounds like my SIL's NCT group - not bad people, just rather insecure and showing off to each other.
You could invite them to do other things with you 1-1 to see if they warm up when you get to know each other better, e.g. suggest going to a gym class with one of them, or going to a kids activity together. Also, take up new hobbys and join other groups to meet new people. I did this last year and met a few new friends who are not parents, and it was quite refreshing.
montage - the concept really isn't that abstract.
Liege - don't worry about it. I think the likes of WorraLiberty doth protest too much. Otherwise, it's slightly ironic that one would be quite so scathing, whilst sending so much time online ... talking to other Mums.
That's why I never did the whole ' nct ' sort of thing. But saying that I think it's just about finding someone who is likeminded. And you haven't yet.
They won't all be nobbers.
IME it's the ones you get drunk with are the ones who become the proper, good friends.
It's like colleagues. In fact, they sort of are work colleagues if you're a SAHP. Some you have more in common with than work, they're your friends, and others you don't. They're your colleagues. And getting on with them makes your working life easier. Or it did for me, anyway. The problem only comes if you start making it about friendship rather than companionship I think.
Thank you everyone. Really helpful points of view and perspectives. I feel more open minded as a result and dare I say, humbled, by your collective comments. Time for me to go with it, lighten up and be less judgemental.
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Sure these are in-wall speakers, but there's no hiding when it comes to RBH. The company just announced five new in-wall speakers for their new Signature "Reference" lineup.
Designed as a step up from the company's Signature in-wall set, these units were made to match RBH's existing Signature Reference freestanding lineup. The models include:
"The Reference version of the Signature In-wall lineup is the epitome of what RBH Sound is all about," says Daren Egan, RBH's marketing guy. "We're excited about this series, and know that these models are exactly what audio and home theater connoisseurs are looking for in an ultra high performance in-wall speaker."
Each model also incorporates a fixed-phase plug and a tuned backbox rear enclosure, which promises a perfect, easy placement. All of the Signature Reference models are shipping now.
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