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AVATWO? Cameron says a sequel is coming!
Hey folks, Harry here - It'll be interesting to see where Cameron takes the AVATAR series, how the Na'vi story develops, what the human response is going to be... you know... that sort of thing. That said, last night, Cameron definitively stated that there will be another. So, YES!!!!!!
Hi Harry! Don't know if this is newsworthy, but I just saw a Variety Screening Series showing of Avatar at the Arclight theater in Hollywood tonight, followed with a Q&A with James Cameron and two of his visual effects artists. One of the artists mentioned that they'll never again do this for the first time, meaning that everything they did in the making of Avatar was just a lot of instinctive grasping in the dark. Cameron agreed with him. He also told him to expect the studio to want another one, as they'd passed the billion $ mark. A second film will be easier, as the technology now exists, thanks to the movie. The moderator asked if there *would* be an Avatar sequel. To which Cameron answered that the plan had always been to make a trilogy of films. Finally, Cameron actually said it: "Yes, there'll be another." As I said, I'm not sure how newsworthy this is, but thought I'd pass it on. If you use this, please call me Marcel The Negro Projectionist
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Looking forward to that!
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It's the first ever zombie boat!
I vastly prefer his outings to most of the other big time Directors. As long as he's making bazillions of dollars, it keeps some of it out of the hands of Zwick, Emmerich, Bay, Bruckheimer, Andersen, McG, etc. So more power to it.
Ava2ar? Avat2r?
I think I like that better than "Avatar: Legacy"
I think...
and why do we always have to announce dinner like it's a damn cavalry charge?
 Jim, make the atomic bomb movie first!
I think a film about the aftermath of the Titanic sinking - the rescue, the salvage of tons of flotsam, and the hearings in the US and UK would make a riveting film.
that i can wear to watch avatar. i want to immerse myself in pandora.
 i hate reality. my reality.
 i wish i were slim. attractive. intelligent.
 i wish i weren't a level 100 Black Mage.
i know why the caged bird sing.
Seems no one knows this answer! AVATAR 2 will come after Jim's next film, so if not BA, then what???
great pun--the rivets on my ship are lollipops!
"We're back muthafuckas! I hope you like the taste of nukes!"
I'm all for a more complex sequel.
Once you join with Tatanka he will join with you....
Love & hijinx at the Harland and Wolff shipyard in Belfast.
 And you find out that DiCaprio actually built C-3P0 when he was a kid...
you mean us humans aren't going to try to push a pallet of clearly marked explosives out of the back of a carrier jet again this time? i mean, it was such a damned good idea; the palate of explosives and just sort of dropping it out of the back of the plane willy-nilly. not that we couldn't use a slightly more sophisticated method of nuking the tree of life--we just wanted a more simple and truer way to destroy the naavi.
it's more satisfying that way.
Should be a stage play and theaters should have to build a stage where there screens are. They should still make people where the glasses, though. At some point will it become cheaper to actually build the entire world in space and just have people go there?
if you think this success means less films from the types of guys you just listed you are crazy. all this means is thats all we are going to get.
I really liked the movie.
There's a sequel to his source material out there, so it should be quite easy to write the second one and get it out to the salivating public.
in True Lies--when Harry blows up the entire party where that Asian Chick is at--how come nobody remembers or knows that Harry Renquist (sp?) blew all that shit up.
 and even if they couldn't identify him, when he goes to visit her in DC wouldn't you think they'd mention--hey, did you hear that crazy explosion at that tango party we were both at?
 i mean those kind of things come up naturally in conversation.
 axel rose and madonna raised tom arnold's children.
 james cameron will raise mine after i raise myself up by my fat stupid bootstraps.
 no more EBT for this chunker!
in True Lies--when Harry blows up the entire party where that Asian Chick is at--how come nobody remembers or knows that Harry Renquist (sp?) blew all that shit up.
 and even if they couldn't identify him, when he goes to visit her in DC wouldn't you think they'd mention--hey, did you hear that crazy explosion at that tango party we were both at?
 i mean those kind of things come up naturally in conversation.
 axel rose and madonna raised tom arnold's children.
 james cameron will raise mine after i raise myself up by my fat stupid bootstraps.
 no more EBT for this chunker!
Expected, but still yay. I skimmed through the scriptment and I hope the sequel uses at least some of what Cameron wrote about the future Earth - even in broad strokes it was pretty effective, and I'd love to see the second film complicate our sympathy. Sure, corporate greed bad, nature good, but the Earth Cameron described wasn't just on the brink; it was over, officially.
There's also all the virus stuff - maybe that can be the focus of the next one; instead of unobtainium, humans are coming for the antivirals naturally produced by Pandora since the humans introduced them.
I loved Avatar, but more specifically I loved Pandora (and Sam Worthington), so I'll be happy to go back.
I can just imagine the studios drooling - one billion and counting, can you imagine what opening weekend on the sequel will be? They will have to build new theatres.
Sorry, but, amazing effects aside, this movie bored the hell outta me. I really don't see what all the fuss is about. It's unquestioningly Cameron's greatest narrative failure. After all his great flicks, this passion project of his was so, so disappointing.
You got owned haters. 1 billion for a great movie. If he makes a sequal less time devoted to technology MORE ON STORY. Should be fucking ACE!!!!
Comes back as the bigger badder Mariner villian in it.
The breakfast of the Na'vi. "I see you....and I eat you"
Jan. 7, 2010, 2:21 p.m. CST
SoupBack - He says he's been married five times
by MARCEL_THE_NEGRO_PROJECTIONIST
His film projects tend to break up his marriages.
Wife hates sci-fi, and talking about it(hence my lurking here). Yet she is making me go to Avatar IMAX again, with her hot friends.
Sigh, thank you James.
Arnold plays an avatar sent back in time to stop Sam Worthington from leading the Navi to victory over the humans.
You all either LOVE or HATE the movie. I happened to like it, but not think that it was the cinematic messiah. To me, it was entertaining and not much more.
if i had a wife i would make sure she is ugly.
 i saw a video once that told me where and how one can purchase a nimbus7000
Bring it on, Big Jim!
"not that we couldn't use a slightly more sophisticated method of nuking the tree of life--we just wanted a more simple and truer way to destroy the naavi. it's more satisfying that way. "
 Well I guess we know who didn't actually pay attention to the movie when they watched it.
 Floating mountains and unusable guidance and tracking systems ring a bell?
but they still couldn't fire missiles at it?
 and of course i didn't pay attentioN! I was on the edge of my seat!
Well I am crazy, thank your noticing. But a filmlover can dream can't he?
It just passed RotK's worldwide Box Office intake, ranking it the 2nd highest grossing film worldwide of all time, leaving Ol' Cameron with the 2 most successful films in history on his track record... Man, I can't even imagine how inflated his ego will be after this one. Oh, and AWESOME NEWS on the sequel. Can't freaking wait for it! Looking at Cameron's track record on sequels, I can only expect that this will only be better :)
explosive on the pallet. and that reminded me of the shot of ving rhames in the first MI movie...when he's in the back of the fire truck and it's zooming in on his face and he's casting his eyes back and forth, in that like shifty villain way.
can regenerate life on Earth, sort of a Genesis Project in elemental form. Maybe Pandora will be destroyed and the Navi have no choice but to travel to earth to fight back and make that planet inhabitable to them. They have to defeat the giant evil forces of greed and domination with the help of an underground network of rebellious humans.
Keeping with the James Cameron tradition...he couldn't do a Titanic sequel cuz there was only one ship!
had a good scream.
That's like saying Evolution, Global Warming and Man landing on the moon are all hoaxes.
 You just make yourself look bad.
He never said he'd come back as director for the AVATAR sequels. He may just be producing them. I'd prefer he'd move on to BATTLE ANGEL instead of doing any of the stuff (more AVATARS, THE DIVE, atom bomb stuff, a docu about himself diving to the bottom of the Marinas Trench) he's been talking up lately.
Will AVATAR 2 become Cameron's 3rd billion dollar hit? Hell yes! AVATAR is a loved blockbuster and will earn numerous awards, so when AVATAR 2 comes out, it will be the 2nd coming and easily make over 1 billion. Cameron needs to make one serious action film before AVATAR 2 though. Maybe the atomic bomb movie is preperation for when Harry Tasker has to stop a terrorist threat from a new atomic bomb in TRUE LIES 2. Who said it has to be a biopic. TRUE LIES 2 was about nuclear weapons once with the Russians.
Shouldn't that me the African American Projectionist..?
how fucking mindblowing AWESOME the sequel is going to be.
Jan. 7, 2010, 2:35 p.m. CST
You had to figure...but still, very cool to have it from the...
by FlickaPoo
...Antichrist's own mouth.
An event movie to really look forward to again...
How quaint. Soooo 6 months ago.
Film is art, and everyone has opinions about art that can't be objectively qualified. Directors generally considered to be masters, Kubrick, Antonioni, Kurosawa, all have detractors, and all have made movies weaker than their most celebrated masterpieces.
My post was as close as I'll ever get to complimenting the guy. Enjoy it, cuz that's as good as its gonna get from me.
...that the Avatar series will explore the other planets and moons of the system and not just focus on Pandora/Na'vi
...well, only if you're really African American.
If you're not then you're either a motherfucking racist or have one ballsy sense of humor...
Thanks, Jim.
on an alternate environment near Pandora.
He mentioned several times that no one seemed to notice how easy it was to mix human and N'avi DNA (someone can check these if you please), and it's not an accident. The second film will be about the Gardeners who planted both the Human and N'avi strains about 100,000 years ago (when Cro-Magnon man shows up), and also about how Unobtanium is vital in the Tree of Souls process. Had Grace Augustine learned what Jake did in the last scene of Avatar, she would have told Selfridge to call off the second assault, as the Tree of Souls holds the key to *human* immortality, which is worth a whole lot more to shareholders than better power couplings. Remember folks: Jake is reborn through the Tree of Souls into a cloned, artificial body. Quarritch was hinting at this: A Marine in an Avatar body had tremendous *military* potentional: immortal mercenaries.
Fucking (insert comment here) in 2013.
...he wants the two of them to join forces and rule Pandora or some such...
...it's going to blow your mind...
Here is one of TRUE LIES 2 plots. This was before the Russian plot with nuclear weapons...http://www.thearnoldfans.com/movies/truelies2/truelies2.htm.... Now that the secret is out, Helen and Harry Tasker are working together as the nation's finest secret agents. RUMOURED STORY Apparently there is some biochemist character that has invented some deadly biological weapon and there seems to be some terrorists that want to claim it. Harry and Helen have to stop it while saving their daughter who gets involved in her own troubles. A terrorist group blows two entrances of a train tunnel and begin flooding it while the Taskers are inside attempting to save the world. To make a long story short, they completely botch the job and lose the Dr and possibly have doomed the world. A Chinese Communist group is out to obtain the Dr¹s work and hold the world in terror.....Director James Cameron Writing credits Jeff Eastin Cast Arnold Schwarzenegger (Harry Tasker) Jamie Lee Curtis (Helen Tasker) Tom Arnold (Albert Gibson) Eliza Dushku (Dana Tasker) Production Companies Lightstorm Entertainment (James Cameron's company) Distributor: 20th Century Fox
Humans label Pandora a terrorist threat after uprising, send back robotic ships...agent orange from the skies to defoliate the planet then nuke habitations from orbit. Roll Credits.
You know you want it.
Cameron better pull this one off, too, or we'll never hear the fucking end of it!
Hey Jim, we all know your people are reading this board, so why not continue with your idea of using Arnold as a marine for AVATAR 2 since ALIENS 5 never happened? You know fans would go nuts for Arnie as a Quaritch type bad ass!
And end the movie with the hero fighting the baddie who wears a big mech suit and -oh fuck it. Avatar 2 will make 1.2 billion minus my 15 dollers. Fucking good luck to it.
I wasn't sure if people would still get this into a film until Avatar. Now I'm certain that the Hobbit will explode at the box office. It was always the more movie friendly book. We can be certain now that it's gonna be 3D.
Jan. 7, 2010, 2:45 p.m. CST
A surprise to no one. Now get ready for
by Turd_Has_Risen_From_The_Grave
. . . seems like Avatar hate just takes all creativity out of one's bitching. Duuuuh, smurfs are blue heh heh heh . . . .
I wanna hear about the cool shite.
Jan. 7, 2010, 2:46 p.m. CST
James Cameron Directed 2 of the Best Sequels of All Time
by kevinwillis.net
And one of the not-so-great ones. But where he had control--Aliens and Terminator 2--he turned out some frickin' awesome sequels. I'll bet Ava2ar kicks butt.
My biggest problem with Avatar is the dialogue. As long as Cameron and team don't go ahead with a first draft on the sequel, I'm all for it.
Jan. 7, 2010, 2:47 p.m. CST
jaysin420, are there still people like you around?
by Turd_Has_Risen_From_The_Grave
Those that have no clue about the word 'unobtanium' and its roots? All that does, contrary to exposing Cameron's supposed uncreativity or stupidity, is expose the ignorance of others.
Seriously, arts and crafts go hand in hand. Especially when we're talking 250 million dollar budgets.
 James Cameron is not Lars von Trier or David Lynch. He's James Cameron. He does things by the numbers and he does it well. Saying you dislike that just makes anyone look like someone who will go against the stream for the sake of doing just that.
 It's like saying you dislike John Carpenter. Makes you sound like a a kid, who's too young to have been there, too young to be able to appreciate these guys' masterpieces.
Complete bullshit, man!
The guy's only got like less than a year left as Gobernator anyway, and he said he was interested in going back to acting again. It'd be SO awesome if he came back as a marine for Ava2.
And have no practical use for, and won't for at least a year if not 3 of them. But one day . . .
Jan. 7, 2010, 2:52 p.m. CST
By the way, did anyone notice something about JCs movies
by Marksman230591
Did you notice that all his feature narrative films (excluding Piranha 2, but I think we can ignore that one out of JC's "true" films) so far have started with either "A" or "T". And that part of the titles of his documentaries are the titles from 2 of his films? ("ALIENS of the Deep" and "Ghosts of THE ABYSS"). Just something curious that I noticed :P
...they basically killed everyone off but a couple principals.
as the supreme commander or CEO of The Company who decides to lead the offensive against the Na'vi. It would trade on his recent executive image as governor. It would FUCKING ROCK.
DirectTV and Sony are unveiling their 3D channels. I'd like to know more about that.
...post in another thread proving J.C. is The Antichrist...he's into evil symbols and shit.
From today's (1/7) Box Office Mojo: 1.Titanic $1,842,879,955 2.Avatar $1,131,752,464 3.RtrnoftheKing $1,119,110,941 4.DeadMan'sChest $1,066,179,725 5.Dark Knight $1,001,921,825 Also, from deadline.com - "Avatar" is now the second highest grossing film of all time (non-inflation adjusted, obviously) - right behind "Titanic" - after only 20 days of release. That's pretty amazing. One director holding the first two? Sheesh.
Because He IS the KWISATZ HADERACH!
Just to be sure
but how did a primitive culture that rides horses and shoots arrows know that they could transfer conciousness from one body to another? They don't have the tech to grow bodies, so how could they possibly know that they could do that? Was it just because it was convenient for Jake?
I think a better way to handle that would have been for Sigourney to tell Jake on her death bed that you can permanently transfer conciousness through the program, instead of the literal Deus ex Machina ending that we got.
That shit will be implanted into our brains and it'll imprint on our psyches as an actual experience.
Jan. 7, 2010, 2:57 p.m. CST
A mo-capped Arnold should play the new villain
by Turd_Has_Risen_From_The_Grave
Some alien leader of a new, war-like alien race on another moon orbiting Polyphemis, King Bug III of the the insect clan or something. Then the Na'vi can team up with the humans this time out, led by the commander of the Earth military, played by Michael Biehn. Bill Paxton as the comic relief alien sidekick (Hudson as an alien). Lance Henriksen should be the traitorous RDA man that sells out the humans to the giant insects. We should get JettL93 to help Cameron with the script.
I think they're only "primative" in that they don't have advanced tech like humans have. With a planet and a biological system like that, would need computers. Their intelligence is obviously very advanced, so they're not primative in that sense. Obviously, they can communicate with their deity/planet, so they probably figured it out that way.
Maybe he can put Michael Biehn in this.
I hate misspelling shit.
or bomb, and it made money. Can we get Star Wars sequels in 3D now?
THE BEAST FROM UNDER THE SEA
 Revelation 13 1-5
 ..."And I saw a Beast coming out of THE ABYSS(!). The Beast I saw resembled a LEOPARD, but had feet like those of a bear and a mouth like that of a LION and yellow eyes FOUR TIMES THE SIZE BY VOLUME. THE DRAGON gave The Beast his power and his throne and great authority.
 One of the heads of The Beast seemed to have had a fatal wound, but the fatal wound had been healed by the Tree of Life. THE WHOLE WORLD WAS ASTONISHED AND FOLLOWED THE BEAST. Men worshipped The Dragon because he had given authority to The Beast, and they also worshipped The Beast who asked, "WHO IS LIKE THE BEAST? WHO CAN MAKE A FILM LIKE HIM?"
 The Beast was given a mouth to utter PROUD WORDS and blasphemies and to exercise his authority for FORTY TWO CONSECUTIVE WEEKENDS.
It's Fox! Stupider shit has happened.
sound cooler than the 1st movie. I don't mean that as an insult to movie, 'cause it was fun. I just happen to like some of your ideas.

 That's right bitches. I said something nice to another poster... on a board.
You know how Weaver and Worthington were nice people at heart in AVATAR. What if Schwarzenegger is a real eveil jerk of a character and he is a human military CEO much like QUARITCH. But in AVATAR 2, we can have Arnie get his own Avatar body and put his evil mind in it. We never got to see how a bad Avatar would be in PANDORA. Imagine if Quaritch had his own Avatar when going up against Jake Sully. Yes, get SCHWARZENEGGER in AVATAR 2 as a military guy that gets his own AVATAR!
I 'conveniently' took a part time management job at a local theater in time for the holidays(used to do it in college years and years ago) so I have spent the last few weeks up in the booth playing Avatar 4-5 days a week. I know that some people are only mildly impressed with Avatar. I get that. It's not 'in your face' about the effects or action. You need to watch it more than once if you have any real taste in art or love of nature because the film is a wonder. I have not tired of standing and watching and I honestly don't know how many times I've watched it now. It's emotionally moving every time the 'this is our land' speech is given. I've been able to look at details that are periferal now that I'm not just watching the story and it's a stunning work of art. Stunning. This film is in the league of the sistine chapel. The bredth and depth and detail and complex balance of this film is astounding to me. I love nature. Especially tropical environments. Pandora is a marvel. The people who worked on this will be lucky to ever get to do anything so grand again in their careers. My day job is video games and I right now we are doing a game in a tropical environment and we're excited about where 3D games are going with 3D tvs but none of us are ever going to approach what Cameron did in Avatar in our careers. People talk about Avatar beating Titanic records... which is impossible... but what's really important about the relationship between Avatar and Titatic is that Titanic made Avatar. Cameron spend all his chips from Titanic, the biggest success in film since Star Wars and Gone With The Wind, and he made a film that had no chances of ever being made. Cameron may not be the fine story teller that Stanley Kubrick or Terrence Malick are but he is still the mother fucking King of the World.
and this time, its personal.
I don't like in your face FX. I haven't been to a summer blockbuster since Dark Knight. I was mildly impressed because of the so-so (but not horrible) script. The effects, environments, and action, I felt, were extremely impressive.
to take the number 2 slot in highest grossing all time. Titanic better watch out!
Since the only reason he wasn't in Avatar was the casting of Sigourney. And with her gone up to the great big tree in the sky..well.. (As Cameron said he had to miss him out when she was cast because he didn't want it to be percieved as a retread of Aliens..)
Surrounded by predators and aliens.
Yeah, I just think it was very convenient that they were able to do the exact thing that Jake needed them to do in order to stay. And it came from their most sacred place, making it a literal Deus ex Machina for the story. Yes they were intelligent, but a natural capacity to cut and paste just seems like a cop out to me storywise.
Well, if the sequel's great, anyway. Face it, it's a cultural phenomenon that will define moviegoing for years.
and Avatar looks better than anything I've ever seen. But in terms of actual storytelling compared to his previous work, it's incredibly weak.
Unlike the director's previous $1B+ blockbuster, there's plenty of room to expand the story.
Fair enough. It still worked for me, though. And he didn't need it to stay. The techology was left behind, but he wanted to shed his previous mortal coil.
He needed to make the story simple escpecially when he was taking the audience to a completely new world. He didn't want them getting lost in a story while taking in the eye candy. Besides, the bigger the project, the simpler it needs to be in order to be accepted by a wider audience. No movie that makes the most money is going to be loved by all. It merely has to be acceptable by all.
On the spot, my friend. And now that people have been introduced to Pandora and these kind of effects, Cameron can definitely afford to add layers to the story.
It was well calculated to serve a specific need. He wasn't feeding a small group of geeks who wanted it hot and spicy. He needed to make it so everyone could eat it.
So the one Indian scientist that stayed behind, I guess that poor bastard has to wear a mask anytime he goes outdoors for the rest of his life? He didn't have an avatar, right?
Can I know ahead of time when the big action sequence starts? I can save about two and a half hours of hack writing and tedious boredom that way...
Avatar 2 will be evil alien race invading Pandora, Sully contacs humans, they come with big fucking guns and the greatest battle in history of the universe is fucking our eyeballs til they EXPLOXDE! Mark my words
In a certain way. Movies are the universal phenomenon. Every country, every person, almost everyone who has ever seen moving images in a theater has been entranced at some point in their lives. Think about how many lives James Cameron has, at the very least, touched, by having the two highest grossing films of all-time. That has to feel a little strange. He has influence politicians can only dream of. Twice in a row the ENTIRE WORLD has celebrated his films as a triumph and look at how much fucking money they both made. It's insane. I know ticket prices and inflation and blah blah blah...but really. One Billion Dollars in 17 days is no fluke. Avatar isn't my favorite movie of all time by any means, I don't even think it should win best picture (which it probably will), but I love that there are so many people who do. Even the detractors agree, at the very least, even if the story and characters were bland for your tastes, he created a pretty fantastic and amazing world that people really want to be a part of. It's Star Wars-y type shit. And that's awesome. I just hope he keeps everything that rocked about Avatar, and listens to the critics and now that the world and tech have been given their proper introduction, focus more on the characters and tell a better story. If you tell me Jake Sully can be an interesting and fleshed out character, I'll believe you, but show me next time. I think he will, personally.
I thought I saw a few more humans beyond the Indian guy stay behind.
antonphd, cool post dude.
 As for Cameron not being the story teller Terence Malick is, I say fuck that.
 There are many directors out there, including Cameron, that tell their story better than Malick.
 I know a lot of people are on his dick but i'd rather have my nipples pierced and then attached to a 12volt battery than sit through THE THIN RED LINE again. What a meandering plotless masturbation of a movie. Story telling? Fuck you Malick.
I'd really like to see Cameron embrace the sequel with something not unlike Aliens. I'm sure he'll need to maintain some sort of relationship aspect in the story, so he might take it to another level ala True Lies or a death. But if I was really going to put money on it, I don't think he'd use any of the original cast again. I think it'll all happen at a different time in a different place.
If CCH Pounder is in the next one for the love of christ can her character please interrogate someone!? And contract the lupus...
Although I'm not crazy about the idea of a sequel. On the one hand, I feel we have good closure on the story and a nice, complete tale. On the other, I don't want to deal with the annoying hater troll brigade again.
Oh, I'm not trashing the storytelling in Avatar. It was an effective mix of fresh ideas and classical story structure. The next stage is when you kick it up a notch. Thankfully, Cameron doesn't have his head up his ass like the Wachowskis do.
the numbers prove you already saw the first one. Bitch if you want but you paid for this so if you're not down it's your fault. Now I'm going to go see it again just to piss you off.
I can't remember, I definitely saw the other guy with the Avatar, Sully and the Indian guy. I thought the rest were being marched to the ship.
Regardless though, wouldn't any humans who stayed behind have to wear masks for the rest of their lives? Or did I miss something?
Sorry about all of these questions, I know this stuff has probably been discussed to death, but I just saw the movie on Monday.
At least not when it comes to straightforward narrative. He's all about tones, image, atmosphere. He also deals in simple archetypes, but his films don't make any claims to being great stories. They're tone poems with deep, mythical roots. And I'm fine with that.
I mean, they already used every cliche in the book, so it has to have some originality. Right?
So you're saying that you should know whether or not you like a movie before you buy a ticket for it? And if you walk out disapointed it's your own fault because you should have already known?
Either that, or they'll grow their own Avatars, or just continue with life inside the humans' facilities, coming out with the masks to perform field research, etc.
Aside from all the background CGI, did you know that all the human face-masks didn't have glass in them. The glass was CGI'd in later because real glass was reflecting the studio lights and making it difficult to see the actors faces.
An intelligent race from a distant planet comes to invade Pandora, possibly for Unobtainium. They could be an intelligent race that use a highly aggresive race of jet black animal aliens, that could look alot like the ones in Aliens, to fight their war. The humans come back with a bigger army and a three way war breaks out, the humans fighting for their lives and the unobtainium.
You could even have alliances and betrayals at that point, because the humans and the other aliens want the same thing, the Na'vi trust neither, and then the aliens turn on the humans forcing them to aligh with the Na'vi.
Disney and Cameron team up to make a movie about a computer programmer who is zapped inside the Avatar computer game. Or AVATOURISTS, in which Pandora becomes a vacation resort where rich tourists inhabit avatars for fun. Yeeehaaaaa!
I don't think it was meandering. It was poetry story telling. I loved The New World even more. Meandering is Transformers 2. The only thing that could get me to watch that again is threating me with Chipmunks 2.
I'd love to see the fan reaction when we see ol' Mad Dog Michael Biehn enter the frame.
Am I the only one who feels that ALIEN/ALIENS, BLADE RUNNER, and AVATAR exist in the same universe? I know, I know...in BLADE RUNNER we've colonized quite a few worlds while in AVATAR we've barely scratched the surface of Pandora, but still...
Is THAT was that was about! I kept looking at the face masks and wondering why they seemed to be the one thing in the film that didn't seem quite right. That's really funny.
That's a good point. i don't know if I would want to live my life like that though, inside a lab, only being able to go outside with a mask on.
Alan cumming returns as nightcrawler. The US marines send him to pandora armed with a pair of lightsabers and he wipes out the entire species with the exception of that main warrior chick whom he sells to the hutts who then pimp her out HARD. Soundtrack score by skinny puppy featuring yoyo ma.
From EMPIRE magazine:
 "I ended up cutting about 30 minutes of footage to make the theatrical cut" Cameron tells Empire.
 "Though you cant use the half hour as metric, because a lot of it came out in what I call 'frame fucking' - nibbling away six frames here and ten frames there. But there were whole scenes lifted which we'll put onto the blu-ray. We wound up with a high-class problem on this film, which was that nothing was disappointing in and of itself. There were some beautifully acted scenes - and ones which gave you a more complete understanding of the world - but they just didnt serve the greater narrative and slowed the pace."
 Cameron hints that there'll be something thrilling for fanboys: Navi boobs: "We came up with this free-floating array of feathers to cover Neytiri's breasts, but when we rendered one shot, she landed on the ground next to a fire and her nipples got lit up. As we were trying to make a family film we ended up having to fix it. But it'll probably end up on the Special Edition!"
TMZ says Jay Leno just got the 11:30pm time slot back.
Folks like you and I may not want to live in a lab environment our whole lives, but hardcore, committed scientists may. Plus, it seems like their compound(s) were not unlike aircraft carriers, meant to sustain life outside of one's profession. Probably bars, cafes, rec rooms, shit like that, too.
Jan. 7, 2010, 3:47 p.m. CST
Snakecharmer - whwn did Cameron say that about BA?
by Turd_Has_Risen_From_The_Grave
BTW, we've only just scraped the surface of the Avatar universe. You can bank on that.
Avatar 2 - so epic your eyes won't just be fucked this time, but they'll actually be physically knocked out out of your head like the flying eyeball from Evil Dead 2, into the mouth of your neighboring theater patron. Then the movie will gang bang you, while snorting your brain through a straw.
blue nipples in the special edition. i think his personality tends to destroy his marriages
if the audience doesn't?
I'm not impressed with Avatar. Sure it's the 2nd highest grossing movie of all time, but then again, everyone's seeing it 3D/IMAX and movie prices have been jacked up quite a bit, meaning higher revenue.
More power to Cameron, but I'd like him to make a movie with a compelling plot AND THEN add incredible visuals. I don't see why we should settle for less.
HO! Or, is Thundersmurfette a ho? ...
...Pandora Experience every human with two nickels to rub together wants to have their own Avatar.
Giant Wall-Mart type corporation sinks quadrillions into perfecting and streamlining the process making Avatars available to all upwardly mobile yuppies....
The ensuing Avatar-tourism crush and Gentrification completes what military might could not...
...conflict ensues.
Because him and Andy are a hundred times funnier at 11:30 than douchey Leno. What a huge fuck you to Conan this is. He should go to Fox at 11:30.
That's a keeper.
I don't think it's half the movie that Aliens was. And I liked Avatar, I didn't love it.
What exactly did you expect a blockbuster film about a beautiful new planet being mined for its resources to be about? I think the "stranger in a strange" land plot device is as old as man, himself. Jim made a film to entertain both young and old alike. I think he knew exactly what he was doing. Brilliant move. I would have preferred more of an A.I. or Close Encounters creepy/quiet alien with some hints of a similar biology as The Abyss aliens, but different. A more cerebral approach as opposed to a aborigine/spiritual one...
"He's all about tones, image, atmosphere. He also deals in simple archetypes, but his films don't make any claims to being great stories. They're tone poems with deep, mythical roots. And I'm fine with that."
 That sentence above has been written about Terence Malick's THIN RED LINE - but couldn't it be equally applied to AVATAR?
 The 'cineastes', the high brow brigade, and those who hate the commercially successful out of hand, will laud and applaud Terence Malick for making a weakly-plotted but pretty movie but not see the hypocrisy when they scorn and damn Cameron for doing the same.
Why does Hollywood have to fucking lie like this?
Jan. 7, 2010, 4 p.m. CST
I just want to know if Cameron has a reason why the Navi have fo
by Undercover Fanboy
Cameron was extremely thorough in the creation of Pandora's ecosystem, and spent a great deal demonstrating the common morphology of the planet's/moon's wildlife. Primarily, they seemed to share six limbs, four eyes, and respiratory systems with air being inhaled from openings in the torso. Except for the Navi, which one could argue don't "fit" within the demonstrated zoology of Pandora. Curious if this discrepancy was intentional, and if so, why.
...the Na'vi are on the run...a broken and resentful people.
Giant Wal-Mart type corporation's stock starts to decline...in a push for greater market share and to crowd out giant Target type corporation Space Wal-Mart slashes prices even further, making human Na'vi Avatars available to even the lowest of low income humans...
Pandora, resembling a cross between paradise and Earth in IDIOCRACY simmers...
...will rotting old couches appear on the once majestic branches of the New Home Tree?...
Will the Na'vi have to develop shoe technology to avoid cutting their feet on broken glass and discarded pull-tabs?...
Jan. 7, 2010, 4:01 p.m. CST
If Cameron is doing a Hiroshima film and Alita. Expect Avatar 2
by Damien Chowder
How far can you project a Negro? Awesome name. Might change mine to Pixel Drivin' Negro!
...so close.
...what is he going to fuck next?
It's been stated in a couple of interviews with Cameron that the Na'vi were intentionally designed to look more Human so the average cinema goer could relate more to the characters.
Jan. 7, 2010, 4:04 p.m. CST
No no, I think "plane-twide" should be the next net phenom...
by Royston Lodge
... like pwn or !!1!!!!
Prepare for the double dip into your eyeballs!
familiar doesn't always = cliche crap. Cliche pretty much means "overly familiar." If you're watching a movie, and you can tell pretty much what's going to happen at every moment, is that not what you'd call a walking cliche?
I know it's tempting to hail the greatness of Cameron because of all the box office money, and I definitely respect his ambition on the tech side of things. But AVATAR does NOT have a good story at all.
And chances are, if you think so, you're probably illiterate or haven't been exposed to many stories to begin with.
Who does that!?
Because, this time around, audiences will "get it." Their little brains won't be overwhelmed by the spectacle... and they're going to expect some meat in their burger this time.
 All of the "he meant it to be simple" arguments won't fly this time. THIS time, he's going to have to bring it. I don't dare to hope that he'll be on his A-game a la Aliens (still his tightest story, hands down) but I expected better the first time, I KNOW he CAN do better, and this time around I pray he will deliver. I think the LAST thing he wants is to turn himself into a Lucas-style joke. He has too much ego.
I still need to see the first one...
My investigative efforts have already broken the big Avatar-sequel news. Looks like it will be filmed in 5D now. Can't wait. http://weeklycoitus.co.nz/?p=618
your average John Q. Filmgoer wasn't- so the legend goes- going to be able to process a more complicated STORY, much less identify with 6-limbed humanoids. The discrepancy was a financial decision.
Absolutely. Malick gets a pass because he's quieter. The guy uses narration ad infinitum, too, but who gives him shit for being over-expository? It's just a douchebag double standard. I love Malick's style, don't get me wrong. It's just a douchebag double standard.
"Looking at Cameron's track record on sequels, I can only expect that this will only be better"
 He's only done one, and it was rubbish: an annoying kid in a story that was incompatible with the original narrative.
I saw Cameron in. I don't remember which one. Avatar 2 will take place on Pandora but on the planets around Avatar, according to Cameron.
Several of my fellows on the TB alone (much less in real life) have been exposed to both libraries full of great fiction AND thousands upon thousands of hours of cinema, good and bad. The story rang true for a lot of them
 I agree with you in not loving the story, but people who loved it don't do so out of ignorance.
No Benneh, I haven't. Do you know what killed the dinosaurs? The ICE AGEEEAAAAHHHAHHAUAHAUAHA.
He's done one decent one, plus Piranha 2: The Spawning.
Jan. 7, 2010, 4:14 p.m. CST
Big Jim will be setting up his production office on Mars.
by The Reluctant Austinite
It'll take a few months of work to get up the massive soundstage bubble, and a few billion dollars to get all the cast and equiptment to set, but those Mars exterior scenes are going to be a game changer!
James Cameron was bitten by a piranha on the set of Piranha II: The Spawning. After a week of excruciating pain, the piranha died.
 Contrary to popular belief, the statue given out at the Academy Awards is known as the Cameron.
 All films made before the year 1981 are dated on a descending scale by year and designated B.C. for "Before Cameron."
 The box office gross of a James Cameron movie doesn't have to be adjusted to account for inflation. Inflation has to be adjusted to account for the box office gross of a James Cameron movie.
 James Cameron includes an intermission in all of his movies just to give you enough time to catch your breath. It's called the rest of your life.
 A James Cameron movie never gets remastered. Once is all it needs.
 On the set of The Abyss, James Cameron didn't get wet. Water got James Cameron.
 The movie camera was named after James Cameron in 1888 in anticipation of his eventual birth and reign as king of the world.
 We thought God created the world in 7 days. James Cameron has since revealed it was only test footage to hold us over until Pandora was ready.
 What do King Kong, Tyrannosaurus Rex and Optimus Prime have in common? They make James Cameron laugh.
 There is no such thing as a home video format war. If James Cameron's movies aren't released on the format, it never existed.
 Remember Martin Scorsese, Stanley Kubrick and Steven Spielberg? Neither does James Cameron.
 James Cameron once filmed a movie using only a flashlight, a magnifying glass and a roll of duct tape. It was based on a script he wrote on the back of a postage stamp. The movie became a critically-acclaimed, award-winning, record-grossing blockbuster.
 James Cameron's CGI doesn't simulate reality. Reality simulates James Cameron's CGI.
 A James Cameron movie doesn't go over budget. Budget goes under a James Cameron movie.
 James Cameron rode on the back of a live nuclear missile while shooting the climactic scene in True Lies. It took 27 takes. He didn't break a sweat.
 Arnold Schwarzenegger circa 2009 after working with James Cameron: ruler of the 7th largest economy in the world. Arnold Schwarzenegger circa 2009 if he never met James Cameron: overweight, washed up ex-jock doped up on crystal meth in a Kentucky trailer park.
 James Cameron is the first Canadian citizen of note.
 James Cameron is the only man known to have planned a better terrorist attack than Al Queda.
 James Cameron is the only man known to have directed a good Tom Arnold movie.
 James Cameron is so manly that he's had more wives than Johnny Carson, Ellen Degeneres, the Saudi Arabian royal family and the city council of Salt Lake City, Utah have had put together.
 James Cameron is so committed to artistic integrity that he once hung his actors by their thumbnails over the Grand Canyon for 17 hours until the lighting was just right for the scene.
 The combined gross of James Cameron's film library is greater than the all-time cumulative GDP of the Milky Way galaxy.
 James Cameron eats Thundercats for breakfast and poops Smurfs before lunch.
 God created humans with two eyes placed forward of the head several inches apart so we could see stereoscopically and judge depth - in preperation for a future James Cameron film format!
 James Cameron makes all his movies twice - one version for your left eye and one for your right. It's called 3D.
 James Cameron does not yet know why we cry

But I'm sure there are a few posts above worshipping how dominant James Cameron and his movies are. I can't think of another director that gets this weird reach around treatment from fans, it's really a little disturbing. It's some kind of daddy issue/gay thing I suspect.
Riiiiiight. How many things has he already announced he's working on? Is he going to let somebody else take over for the sequel? If not, I'm certainly not expecting to see it anytime soon.
Yeah, like you can get gayer than THUNDERBOLT.
 Next!
They were probably caught up in the spectacle. That's the truth. My brothers loved it too and were glowing when we walked out of the theater. But then we talked about it some days later, and they were like: 'yeah, the story was kinda weak.'
It's easy to say the story rang true because it's executed on a MASSIVE scale, probably the biggest we've ever seen. The average mind is distracted by "whoa, is that 3D?" It doesn't mean that the story isn't cliche as hell.
Know how I know? Take the exact same story and shoot it on a fraction of Cameron's budget, like maybe a regular 50 million, and NOBODY would give the movie the time of day. And it certainly won't get critical buzz.
1st one was meh...2nd one more meh...
Somebody needs to resurrect this great actor.
I have copied that post into my notepad so i can read it again later. You sir, deserve an award
Just cause you're a waitress doesn't mean I got served. And are we to assume you're also a short order cook, shouting "next" like a ninny?
Ladies can have daddy issues too. Maybe you should change your name to Elektra. Of course then you'd have a comic book character name like me, which according to you is gay. I hope you're okay with that.
...an old, bitter, and grizzled Jake now lives in one of the many crumbling old Na'vi neighborhoods now overrun with Human/Na'vi hybrid Avatars.
Jake finds and lovingly patches up an old Banshee...learning many life lessons...and eventually relearning the meaning of love and sacrifice...
...and the many uses of a twelve inch long finger-pistol...
You're addressing- ion case you didn't know- one of the now-and-forever hard-core skeptics of the first one. Some have even called me troll (though their dim intellect is less than impressive...)
 All I'm saying is, trolling against the TB itself WITHOUT HAVING READ IT is an all-new level of douchebaggery.
 I spit in your pie.
ALIENS and T2, two of the best movies ever made. All the thundersmurf/dances with smurfs haters...damn I feel bad for you. Your life must really suck if AVATAR wasn't a fun time at the movies for you. I would love to see an AVATAR trilogy...see the humans regroup and return to Pandora ala THE EMPIRE STRIKES BACK. Could be bloody fucking amazing.
That's no moon! It's where we put our junk!
...one person I know, whose opinion I respect, was transported. His argument was that the spectacle was enough, and that no, Cameron didn't rewrite the wheel, but it didn't stop him one second from deeply enjoying the experience.
 I went is hoping that that would happen to me. It didn't... and frankly, with just about everyone I know, and MOST of these TB's, taking the same tack as my friend... I wish I had. I feel a little left behind.
 That doesn't change the fact that I'm with you. I couldn't love Avatar for the same reason I don't believe in God: it's a lovely idea, but when you start asking too many questions, the answers become faith-based "suspend your intellect" bull-pucky that I can't go with.
And I'm betting he knows what makes an even better threequel as well. Avatar wil be the greatest film trilogy ever. I'm calling it out right now.
I also predict Avatar 2 to be the first movie to crack 2 billion dollars worldwide -assuming Avatar 1 doesn't get there first.
...that's pretty.
Great point about Malick vs Cameron. You couldn't pay me to watch A New World or The Thin Red Line again, uhg. I don't need constant stimulation in a movie but jesus, give me something. Malick is too self indulgent for me. I thought the scene with the AWOL soldiers interacting with the natives at the beginning of The Thin Red Line would NEVER end.
Since seeing Avatar a few weeks back, I have been posting that I did not think this film was as great as most were saying. But I did not realize it was the first story in a trilogy. If I had known that from the start, I would not have been so harsh. I didn't think the story was strong enough to be praised by so many, but it was strong enough to be the beginning of a much larger story. I am now intrigued to see in which direction Cameron takes the story from here.
JC's said this multiple times before. So update the article 5 years from now when there's actually a greenlight and some script/casting news. Til then, piss off.
Avatar has been so huge, that there was no doubt about the sequal... It's not like Avatar is like Titanic, whit no real sequal possibility. And maybe it will be a better movie this time around.
...Jake, even older now, has once again lost the use of his legs (you say bullshit coincidence? I say classic full circle storytelling).
Jake's son insists he hire a human Mech-Suit driver and Jake, resisting all change in life, refuses to let the new Mech driver take him anywhere at first.
Eventually the super-humanly (irony) patient driver overcomes Jake's lingering anti-human prejudice...and the two form a deep bond that spans the last twenty years of Jake's life.
A touching story of acceptance and friendship.
Jake wakes up from the consciousness transfer at the end of Avatar. When Eywa transferred Jake's mind back into his Na'vi body, she modified his consciousness to be able to interface with her on a far more complex level. Up until this point, Eywa has only been able to absorb consciousnesses. Jake gave her the first opportunity to do an upgrade. Jake also finds that Grace's consciousness is still "alive" within Eywa, and that Eywa is rapidly assimilating all of Grace's scientific knowledge. Eywa also knows that the RDA Corporation will likely send more humans to try to take control of the planet. Jake and Eywa estimate that they will have roughly 10 years before RDA's attack. Eywa uses her new-found scientific knowledge to begin a rapid evolution of Pandora, creating new organic defenses and weapons capable of facing off against the expected human attack. Back on earth, RDA engages in propaganda to raise a mercenary army to retake Pandora. RDA also makes moves to secretly acquire nukes, something they aren't legally allowed to own but want for the attack none-the-less. Some humans on earth however have become fascinated with Grace's last transmissions to earth concerning her findings on Pandora. This leads to a group of humans secretly departing earth ahead of RDA with the intention of warning the Na'vi of RDA's return and helping in Pandora's defense. At the same time, the human scientists that are still on Pandora with Jake begin to do deeper research into Eywa and the Tree of Souls. They begin to discover that unobtanium is artificial in nature and that Eywa may be the remnants of some sort of AI seed that was left on Pandora by an alien race millions of years ago. RDA finally returns to the system in a fleet of ships. They have brought the nukes for orbital bombardment, but they want to try to take control with a surface invasion first, since nuclear fallout would make future mining more difficult. RDA's ground invasion however faces stiff resistance from the newly evolved Pandora. The Na'vi now have access to things like biomechanical body armor, organic projectile weapons, and all manner of bio-war beasts. Plus Jake has spent the last decade imparting every bit of military tactics that he knows. Also, the human resistance that arrived ahead of RDA has provided a certain amount of earth based technology that helps to fill in holes in Pandora's defenses that Eywa and Jake weren't able to foresee. RDA decides that orbital nuclear bombardment is the only option. Eywa has been expecting this though, and has been rushing to grow several incredibly large Na'vi piloted bio-war beasts that are capable of reaching orbit and engaging the RDA ships directly. Jake leads this attack even though he knows that they're outnumbered and that the odds are against them. RDA takes heavy losses in space, but still manages to get in position to launch their nukes. Suddenly a massive fleet of earth military ships arrive. RDA is ordered to stand down and is informed that their company has been nationalized and disbanded due to their illegal purchase of nuclear weapons. The earth military representative meets with Jake and tells him that earth has decided that studying Eywa and learning its secrets is more important than the unobtanium. Jake reluctantly accepts the military's proposal to allow a garrison and new research station on Pandora. The military tries to convince him that they only want to engage in peaceful research, but Jake fears they have ulterior motives, but there's nothing he can do about it, due to the earth fleet's massive strength. ------------ Avatar 3 would then deal with the military's attempts to seize control of Eywa through the use of some sort of organic computer virus, with the plans of using Pandora as some sort of massive organic factory/computational node. It would end with the Na'vi fighting back long enough for Jake and the friendly scientists to activate Eywa's true program, which consumes the unobtanium as fuel and accelerates all of Pandora into some sort of post-biological singularity.
...you make paragraph breaks like this
 but with no spaces around the P.
Use them wisely.
Your point reminds me of another criticism of Avatar that's been bothering me. When Malick puts his white, sympathetic protagonists to live among indigenous, it's poetry and example of their noble virtue, but when Cameron does it, it's "white guilt" and "condescending." Just another example of the double standard. I say this as a fan of Malick's, too.
Jan. 7, 2010, 4:58 p.m. CST
Titanic 2: Surfacing!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
by crackerfarmboy
You know your girlfriend would pay to see it!
Holy fuck ... that's great.
'Because The Fan Boys Love Me And My Toys!' Gonna be fun to see what movie he rips off for the sequel. Really, the only thing more amusing will be watching folks who always clammor for something fresh and new standing in line to fork over their cash and then defending his plagiarism over and over again while they use the word 'hater' in a vain attempt to discredit anyone who dares point out the fact that if anyone else made this same film in standard format you wouldn't give two shits about its lame assed story, boring characters, and myriad lapses in logic and continuity. AND THE FANBOY CIRCLE JERK CONTINUES, LOL!!!!!
ignoring the z-movies noone has ever seen,lets see if the more well known movies before Avatar had already used the below 'cliche'
1.Crippled marine falls in love with an ALIEN 3m blue,cat-like humanoid woman.? NO
2.Aliens are cgi 3M tall,blue, cat-like humanoids? NOPE
3.Crippled marine puts his mind in a strong,flexible alien body and gets 'crazy' with it? NO
4.Use of conventional weapons in the future instead of more advanced? Mechs? cryosleep? Greedy corporation who ignores life for profit? YES but its from a movie from the same director.so NO
5.A planet which is sentient? YES but it was not used as Deus-ex Machina,and its nature is not that of a bio-network.so fuck this too.
6.Aliens are a mixture of terran native tribals from around the world?.NO
7.Flying Mountains? NO
8.Flying Dragons? YES but a flying dragon riden by a blue alien with a human's mind,holding a machine-gun and attacking a terran spaceship? NO FUCKING WAY
9.Trial to prove yourself in order to be accepted by a tribe? YES but trial about capturing and taming a flying dragon with your pony-tail,and whose nest is on a flying mountain? NO.
9.Having pony-tail as a neural extension of your body and using it to connect with the flora and the fauna,and also connecting spiritually/erotically when mating with your hot alien girlfriend? NO WAY.
10.The most immersive,cgi photoreal, lust,imaginative,colorful,vivid,alive and breathing Alien world even shown with the best use of 3D in the big screen? NO,NOPE,NIET,NADA,NEIN,NON,OXI
11.The most human like and soulful CGI characters ever shown in the big screen? see above answer
12.Scene where alien tribe chants and connect their neural pony-tails into the semi-sentient bio-network known as Eywa which they describe as their Goddess,in order to request from her to save a human by transferring his mind human into an Alien body? NOWHERE
13.Scene where one alien chick and an alien guy with a human mind flirt while flying dragons? NEVER
14,Love scene between two cgi blue,3M tall,cat like,humanoid,aliens who use both physical sex and spiritual/erotic connection with their neural pony-tail connection? HAHA NO
15.Mech with a Knife and a rear mirror? in animes only,so NO
16.Battle between alien dragons and helicopters? Mechs and alien horses? Humans and 3m tall, blue,cat-like,humanoid aliens? HAHAHAHA NOPE
17.A 3m tall,blue,cat-like humanoid woman holds in her hands a crippled,fragile,human man and she express her love to him while crying? AHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA NO
so yeah Avatar is full of cliche,full of scenes which we have already seen in all the other movies with similar thematic story.oh yes,Avatar is so fucking unoriginal as cinematic experience goes.so unorginal.
Marcel, the moniker is a nice Inglorious Basterds reference. Burn it to the ground!
Neural pony tails = Dumbest thing ever. Period. I mean, seriously?!
I want blue 3D porn. Tonight! Actually, when 3D becomes the norm in entertainment, will anybody go to the cinema anymore?
the same screening and live Q&A with Cameron.he says that Cameron confirmed the final cut was 4h18m before it was trimmed in the theatrical release.the link with the post:
http://tinyurl.com/y9cgv4h
...Jake while driving around in a Mech-Suit due to his once again withered legs (you say bullshit coincidence? I say classic full circle storytelling) is killed in a traffic accident.
Finding himself in a fabulous heaven created by the most wild and beautiful dreams his mind can conjure thinks for a moment...and says...
..."I come from Pandora. You can keep it...bitch."
Cameron just did an interview where he said they've already put a year of prelim into it and it's ready to go. I'd much rather see that than more Avatar.
He dreams of being tall.
Now the environment is being threatened
http://moviesblog.mtv.com/2009/12/14/james-cameron-is-still-thinking-about-battle-angel-alita/ that's it.
...bored in the hereafter, Jake is sent to lava planet Boyle by Eywa on a mission of love...he assumes the physical form of the native Boy'leans and is tasked with helping two star crossed Boy'lean lovers find each other and restore the balance of love in the universe...
A surprisingly violent and madcap romance.
ColonelFatheart and Knightborn, thanks guys I'm standing shoulder-to-shoulder with ya!
 ScaryWaitress, AVATAR didn't get you off? Tell me what will? If I was your girlfriend would you tell me? Wouldya let me kiss you, and let me pick out your clothes before we go out...

Shot in 6D! The movie will have to be projected on a Hypercube.

 Seriously, though I think a sequel could be awesome.
If a film is popular the directors always claim they planned a trilogy, I bet if it had been a flop there would have been no plans for a sequel.
the beautiful world of Pandora as the setting the whole time. Fuck the humans. Keep it about the Na'vi race the entire time and have the villain be from the forest. Yes, I am asking to just make this a CG animated movie for the sequel. I don't care. The marine parts of Avatar brought the movie to boring, seen-this-plot-before levels.
Fastrious Pandoria Boogaloo
I don't know if I'd put Ed Zwick in the same category as "Emmerich, Bay, Bruckheimer, Andersen, McG, etc." Sure, he made some stinkers like The Siege and Courage Under Fire, but he also made Glory and Blood Diamond. Some people even love Legends of the Fall (I haven't seen it in 15 years, so I can't really say how it stands up). And the reviews for Defiance were okay (I've never seen it). So...I think Zwick is of a higher caliber than those other guys. At least he attempts to make something with some gravitas.
It made 200 gazilion dollars, and it's FUCKING FOX. There will be 10 other sequels.
Cameron has talked about Avatar as a trilogy in interviews long before it was released, and even had story arcs mapped out for it.
4 hr and 18 min cut, eh? Please put this out, Mr. Cameron. I knew there was substantial deleted footage, but not that much. Cameron would probably have carte-blanche now(not to mention unlimited funds to complete this footage) to put out a mega-dvd/blu release - maybe even a theatrical 3D re-release (though not in filmed IMAX, which annoyingly can't take more than 170 mins).
Jan. 7, 2010, 6:10 p.m. CST
There will be no sequels without Cameron
by Turd_Has_Risen_From_The_Grave
It might be Fox, but you can bet that Cameron, unlike with Terminator, owns a large slice of the rights this time out, and Fox wouldn't want to piss off their golden boy by churning out Na'vi Vs Predator or something of that ilk regardless. This is Cameron's baby, not a piece of Fox trash (or treated like a piece of trash) like the X Men series
tinyurl.com/yenbd4o

Complete with Tentacles bitches.
Shut the fuck up.
quit making marines the two-dimensional dumb fuck drones you like from aliens and avatar. They aren't really anything like that, neither are contract commandos.
Well there's the reason for the "nuke survivor interview"...
Oui, Shoshanna...
I was honestly bored during AVATAR. I'm amazed how many people try to gloss over the ultra-predictable story and say "It doesn't matter, he transported me..." Ugh.
Will Cameron actually write a decent script this time as opposed to swiping concepts and characters from different movies (some his own) and mashing them together? Let's hope so.
I won't hold my breath waiting for the sequel. I'm sure the first one will keep me mesmerized until the sequel hits.
Flip-down or attachable 3d glasses for glasses-wearers please! It's really annoying trying to fit those things over my glasses. The other choice is seeing a blurry 3D movie.
actually I'm making this up, but i love his acting, he should get more high profile roles.
I am waiting for Ted Turner to rerelease it in 4D.
and all future Cameron-scripted movies, in general, is that they feature some tough-as-nails female character saying "[something badass and threatening], bitch!" right towards the end. It's worked for him twice, so I think he should keep it up...
That's mental. I can't wait.
I think Cameron has 3 exes. I know for certain Gale Anne Hurd and Kathyrn Bigelow are two of his exes, but Linda Hamilton? Not sure. Where they married?
movei rather than an Avatar sequel.I think that since Cameron is again a hot name right now,he should take that into advantage in order to promote Alita,which i believe this movie, because of its theme,story and genre,is a lot more difficult to become a decent blockbuster.but i guess Fox will try to persuade Cameron to have as his next project Avatar 2.time will tell.
Are you serious? The guy can't direct a story. He directs vignettes. Cameron and dozens of other directors are superior at storytelling direction than Malick.
..."KKKKHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHSH!!!!!...bitch!"
Did you see the movie?...what did you think?

Sharon Williams (1978–1984),
Gale Anne Hurd (1985–1989),
Kathryn Bigelow (1989–1991),
Linda Hamilton (1997–1999, one daughter),
 Suzy Amis (2000–, one son, two daughters).
Cameron's current wife, Suzy Amis, played the part of Rose Dawson Calvert's granddaughter in the film Titanic. Cameron's fourth wife, Linda Hamilton, played the role of Sarah Connor in both The Terminator and Terminator 2: Judgement Day.
It seems Cameron whenever he wants to get married,he directs a movie.haha. Cameron is very distantly related to actress Joanna Cameron, who starred as Isis on television in the 1970s.
Yeah it's a bad joke and I can't even think of a punchline ! doh....! I think a sequel would be awesome....I'm all for the hypercube MMF !!! 6D will suck your eyeballs into your mushy brains!!!!!!! Hurray !!!!
We TOTALLY need to see her deliver the line. Yes, I did see it and I was blown through the back of the theater. I have some quibbles with the script (Aliens is still his best work as a writer), and the Ribisi character is just a joke, but who the fuck cares? The visuals and the action are just insane. And I got choked up during the "love scene." Fucking JC knows how to make an epic, what can I say?
What's your take on it?
with Quaritch,which unfortunately was cut from the theatrical release.you can see the filming of the scene,in some b-roll videos in youtube.
Or do all those women sorta look alike? How bizarre...
...and spamming every talkback with a multi-paragraph weepy review recanting all of my skepticism. I still can't believe they put every single questionable bit of footage and every cheesy line of dialogue in the trailers and clips. Worst promotional campaign ever.
Sure, the Ribisi character was the same as Reiser in ALIENS...but at risk of damning my eternal soul I liked Ribisi in the role better.
Gore fest but sounds so posh when I say it out loud !! Love it....
Jan. 7, 2010, 7:18 p.m. CST
...it's yours chara...just needed a little snazzy marketing...
by FlickaPoo
...for the kiddies.
...oh, I hope so.
Fuck it.. he may make the Imax get reworked so the platters hold more film..This man has no other records to break but his own..He is the guy the Dos Eqius beer commercial is really about.. This film will top Titanic.. Avatar 2 will break Avatars records..All these predictions and more will come to pass
ADJUSTING FOR INFLATION, Star Wars A New Hope made $1.31bn DOMESTICALLY. that's more than twice what Titanic did, and currently more than three times what Avatar is doing. As of now, Avatar is sitting at number 87 in the all time list.My point is that box office does not mean squat - the LEGACY thata genre film leaves behind I all that matters. And District 9 and even Star Trek will have a greater legacy than Avatar in te eyes of genre fans. So the FUUUUUUCK YEAAAAHHHH Avatar-is-the-best film-ever-because- it's-notched-up-this many- zeroes crowd really need to get some perspective.
It's a movie.
when normalizing ticket sales.you know what other factors influence the ticket numbers.
The Predators should land and seed the planet with Aliens. "Dutch" and Ripley go back into action, with Sigourney playing two parts--Ripley and a disembodied spiritual presence. Arnold goes into an Avatar body to confront a hybrid Alien-Na'vi creature for the world's greatest hand to hand combat scene. Eyeballs are violated. Thank you.
I read that same adjustment, but it fails to mention that A new Hope was re-released multiple times.
a trilogy... everything has to be a trilogy... that said I'll probably watch it
That being said, am sure Cameron could make it brilliant.
evil is what evil does http://tinyurl.com/ybjho99
Yes not Battle Angel, but that would be cool too.
 Though wouldn't say no to Blomkamp getting a go at a live action Neon Genesis either.
Yes I know the argument and Gone with the wind is still tops...but this fucker Avatar is not done yet. It hasn't been re-released..It's just kicked everyones ass except James Camerons Titanic which according to the numbers may be sooner than later...Yes I know it's not Shakespere but it is entertaining and will have strong repeat business..I'm not much of a bean counter but this is a huge burrito full of beans that is for sure..
Of course when you include the "blue humanoid alien" bit nothing has a precedent But every single one of those ideas has been recycled from somewhere.

For example, "floating mountains" showed up in THE YEAR'S BEST SF Vol. 4 (published 1999), in the story "A Dance to Strange Musics" by Gregory Benford. Put that in your pipe and smoke it you raging retard fuck.
I don't hate Cameron but I don't love him either. I have never disputed his gifts as a producer, technician, and action/spectacle director. He is also a serial plagiarist and a poor story-teller and what will be done in his name following the monetary success of the current Avatar, I loath with every atom of my being.
Just wondering.
Maybe they can have an original story this time...
They can make a sequel five, ten years from now, then the third ten or fifteen years from now, but still keep all the characters at their current physical age. One side-benefit of photorealistic CGI & motion capture.
 Interesting. They should, for instance, scan in Daniel Craig, so they could make James Bond movies staring him for the next fifty years. That's no longer a particularly far-fetched idea.
I'm 25 and still a virgin. Please, please suck it. I beg you.
In a desperate attempt to rescue the suck-job franchise, our Stargate heroes go through the Stargate, turn blue, and spend two and a half hours realizing they aren't in Kansas anymore...
1.Crippled marine falls in love with an ALIEN 3m blue,cat-like humanoid woman.?
 More like: soldier falls in love with a primitive civilization and defends it instead of helping to destroy it.
 Rip-off of POCAHONTAS/THE NEW WORLD/FERN GULLY/DANCES WITH WOLVES.

 2.Aliens are cgi 3M tall,blue, cat-like humanoids?
 More like: aliens are anthropomorphic, symmetrical, two-eyed, bipeds.
 Rip-off of every fucking alien ever, from ALIEN to PREDATOR to INDEPENDENCE DAY to CLOSE ENCOUNTERS

 3.Crippled marine puts his mind in a strong,flexible alien body and gets 'crazy' with it?
 More like: main character controls another body remotely through some crazy futuristic connection
 Rip-off of THE MATRIX, EXISTENZ, BEING JOHN MALKOVITCH, etc.

 4.Use of conventional weapons in the future instead of more advanced? Mechs? cryosleep? Greedy corporation who ignores life for profit?
 Doesn't need rewording to make it obvious it's no different from a hundred other movies. STARSHIP TROOPERS and ALIEN (created by Ridley Scott NOT James Cameron) come to mind but there are plenty of others!

 5.A planet which is sentient? YES
 You already admitted it.

 6.Aliens are a mixture of terran native tribals from around the world?.
 You say this like it's a fucking accomplishment. James Cameron decided to copy a bunch of traits from African tribal cultures in order to characterize his Navi as earth-worshipping noble savages, in accordance with one of Hollywood's oldest and most cynical/discriminatory stereotypes. Utterly cliché, and you thought it was original! Hah!

 7.Flying Mountains?
 YES. Read "A Dance to Strange Musics" by Gregory Benford, published in 1999!!

 8.Flying Dragons? YES but a flying dragon riden by a blue alien with a human's mind,holding a machine-gun and attacking a terran spaceship?
 You're a fucking moron. Dragons and flying shit have been done to death, of course when you say "the guy is a blue alien and he's holding a machine gun and attacking a space craft" you can make it unique. YOU'RE A FUCKING RETARD!

 9.Trial to prove yourself in order to be accepted by a tribe? YES but trial about capturing and taming a flying dragon with your pony-tail,and whose nest is on a flying mountain? NO.
 More like: main character predictably accomplishes a brief trial there was never any question of him failing. Just like every other movie. This goes back to the ten labours of Hercules, so no, it's not original!

 9.Having pony-tail as a neural extension of your body and using it to connect with the flora and the fauna,and also connecting spiritually/erotically when mating with your hot alien girlfriend? NO WAY.
 EXISTENZ you moron. The MATRIX. This is not original!

 10.The most immersive,cgi photoreal, lust,imaginative,colorful,vivi d,alive and breathing Alien world even shown with the best use of 3D in the big screen? NO,NOPE,NIET,NADA,NEIN,NON,OXI
 This is not a plot point.

 11.The most human like and soulful CGI characters ever shown in the big screen? see above answer
 This is not a plot point.

 12.Scene where alien tribe chants and connect their neural pony-tails into the semi-sentient bio-network known as Eywa which they describe as their Goddess,in order to request from her to save a human by transferring his mind human into an Alien body? NOWHERE
 The fact that you have to get this specific to call AVATAR "original" only damages your argument more than ever. Hilariously pitiful.

 13.Scene where one alien chick and an alien guy with a human mind flirt while flying dragons?
 You're a fucking moron.

 14. Love scene between two cgi blue,3M tall,cat like,humanoid,aliens who use both physical sex and spiritual/erotic connection with their neural pony-tail connection?
 You only get more and more retarded.

 15.Mech with a Knife and a rear mirror? in animes only,
 YAWN. You already said it's been done in animes. Pussy.

 16.Battle between alien dragons and helicopters? Mechs and alien horses? Humans and 3m tall, blue,cat-like,humanoid aliens?
 More like: hilariously under-equipped "primitive" force defeats superior alien weaponry. Everything from ALIEN APOCALYPSE to INDEPENDENCE DAY has done this already. Holy shit are you ever stupid.

 17.A 3m tall,blue,cat-like humanoid woman holds in her hands a crippled,fragile,human man and she express her love to him while crying?
 You tried so hard.......
Sam Worthington spends two and a half hours pondering whether God is actually blue, and whether his home-grown bluebody has a separate soul, all while having a lot of sex with a mysterious but beautiful blue woman who may or may not only exist in his head...but which head?! His human head, or his bluebody head?!?! Oh man...I need another hit off the bong for this one...
because you see he lives in the Avatar body now, you know, so if a human body would be his avatar in a sequel, like it's all reversed and ironic and some shit.
The crew of Moya arrive at Pandora (get it? It's like a box of terrible things, and if you open it...ah, never mind...), and amidst goofy hijinks, John Crichton realizes the secret to possessing a Bluebody has been downloaded into his head by an ancient race...then the show gets cancelled, and Ben Browder and Claudia Black end up on Stargate: Avatar (see above)...
Stop spoon-feeding the audience symbolism to get your liberal agenda across, we're smarter than you think. Besides, shouldn't meaning be left to interpretation, as it's kind of a personal thing? Also, your characters are incredibly fucking cliched. Get a good screenwriter to help you with the next one, one who can actually flesh out characters I give a shit about. Also, don't rip off another children's story nearly word for word. Just because you come up with some stupid shit like "Unobtainium" or whatever the fuck it's called doesn't mean you have a good imagination.
Two and a Half hours of Sigourney Weaver acting weird and repeating the line "I'm the Avatar's mother..." while Brad Dourif maintains the Avatars are like beautiful, beautiful butterflies... and Ron Perlman!
Your logic for a sequel makes a heck of a lot of sense....maybe Sam Worthington (ala Avatar) could get in the body of Shia Lebouf....Action, Robots monsters and "slap the knee" dialogue for 2 1/2 hours.... very....very...original !
To those who think Avatar is boring, go rent a Michael Bay movie and stop wasting our time.
To those who thought it was predictable, well that's easy to say that after you've seen the movie, but it doesn't matter. So what if it's predictable. Look at Star Wars, which is perhaps one of the most predictable movies of all time, and yet it is still considered (by most sci-fi film geeks) to be the epitome of science fiction. I shudder to think how it would be received by this group if it were released today with updated special effects... oh wait, we don't have to imagine it. Just look at "Phantom Menace." Same basic ideas, same style, same everything, and it's vilified as a piece of crap. How about folks stop pretending that you're some kind of sophisticated cinematic expert and not just a sad nerd who only wishes that he/she were cool enough to make a film like Avatar.
An intrepid crew of space cowboys accidentally blows up Pandora and their adventures are then renewed for 47 seasons that have nothing to do with anything involving James Cameron... Special guest appearance by Ron Perlman!
will appear in Neil's District 10 long before Avatar 2. Wikus became a prawn. Outside of Christopher seemed different from the other prawns more independant less worker bee. I kept thginking to myself after leaving the first showing- What was christopher before he became a Prawn. Wikus could become them could they have been something else and why would someone change them into a prawn- could it be because prawns have a workerbee mentality, could these prawns be pollen gatherers for the a master intergalactic race of beings who enslave lesser being to do their intergalactic resource and power collecting needs. As for avatar I learned something. At least the movie left me to think about something. The world weighs 6 septillion pounds. One trillion eighty billion pounds of that weight represents the 6.3 billion humans who live on it's surface, but guess what we dont add or take weight or mass or energy away from the world. We are comprised of the mass weight and the energy we intake from the resources around us on this planet. When we die. Burned or buried all of it remains here on earth, not a single atom is lost. Einsteins "Enery Not Created or Destroyed" theory. We dont make pollutions- well we dont create it. No--- we convert molecules atoms and elements and their bonds- nothing is ever created on this planet it's all conversion and the earth is smart enough to realter it to protect itself. That's what avatar made me think about, and I'm pretty sure it's right. Weight comes to this planet from objects in space and thats about the only new stuff added to it besides some nasa collected moon rocks and dust. Even then it's from the universe. We create nothing all we do it alter. Alter!!!
Hey, when is your $250 million genre-changing epic coming out? Yours, that is totally original and doesn't borrow from anything? What's the release date?

No, it's fine, I'll wait...
"You're still not in Kansas anymore ..."
You haters can stay in your old dilapidated scifi worlds. I am happy to move on....and welcome new movies with bright eyes.... I loved Avatar and I'm not afraid to admit it...A snazzy sequel would probably be awesome....(Hey I used the word snazzy too!)
I think you might be high right now... but I like where your head's at!! :-D
Giant blue Dinosaurs with the minds of crippled marines! New, more powerful element discovered called Cantgetitanium! Jeff Goldblum's character is chased by a Mountain Banshee and says "Must go faster!" Newman gets eaten by something blue! And Ron Perlman!
In glorious 3-D.
 God, I stop by for TWO SECONDS and this is what I find you pervs up to.
 Jesus.
New episodeof Jersey Shore is ON!
Ludicrous!!!
Disturbin tha peace!!!

 The above will be the name of the sequel and the closing credits song.
A really old Michael Biehn and a really old Linda Hamilton search for an annoying and whiny element called Furlongium while being pursued by a robotic killing machine that says things like "I'll be blue." You're Avatarminated, fucker.
Thats the real question.
This time it's personal
I remember hearing about this when the movie came out.
The crew of the Enterprise turns blue, and the movie is still better than James Cameron's.
...I would love to see someone like Cameron make a movie version of Heinlein's "Stranger in a Strange Land." Heinlein's concept of a truly unique alien society is very original, and since the Martians live underground, it need not conflict with our current understanding of Mars.
The real problem with developing a truly alien biology and culture is that it would be very difficult for us to relate to them. For example, I'm not sure how well an adventure epic about a sentient ball of purple goo that communicates by transmitting pheromone messages to telepathic mites that jump over to another ball of purple goo... well, you get the idea.
This time, it's gay issues that threaten Pandora.
Jan. 7, 2010, 9:29 p.m. CST
They should make the na'vi black...
by IHaveSeenEveryEpisodeOfPrisonBreak
Hey it worked in US marshalls. OK, so it really didn't, but he it could work. Just rehash the first movie that itself rehashed 5609 other movies and you got yourself a hit. And yes, I liked Avatar, but once it is out of theaters it is dead to me. I just liked the overall 3D effect. It was almost as good as the 3D in The Final Destination and MY Bloody Valentine. Back to the Rose Bowl, Hook em' Horns!
Bows and Arrows? Really? Come on, man! The second wave of company soldiers isn't going to fuck around with these blue meanies. Expect hellfire from above!!!
"This time it's ... more of the same actually but we know you're gonna see it anyway"
You got to it before I did. Way before. Kudos
Your PAT VIBRATAR title was fantastic ! I choked on my non-alcoholic tea....
No logline, that's just a cool sounding title.
A giant flying dog comes to Pandora looking for a one true something or other... oh damn I never understood that fucking movie.
I'm not hating on Avatar you twat, I enjoyed the movie thoroughly. Saw it twice in theatres. I'm a reasonably big fan of James Cameron, too, although I will never be an apologist if he starts making shitty films (the way many other fanboys will).

But back on topic, this mongrel fucktard (ominus) is trying to suggest that Avatar is wildly imaginative, innovative, and original. The fact is (yes FACT not OPINION), it's not! It's incredibly unoriginal and predictable. Does that make it any less amazing visually? No. But it seems like everyone in AICN talkbacks is determined to make any given movie either the best thing ever or the worst thing ever. In reality there is a helluva lot of room in between.

Avatar has loads of problems, but overall it's a very solid and enjoyable movie. That doesn't mean it's wrong to point out someone is making a total idiot of themselves for writing fatuous crap about how Avatar is the most original story since Snow White.
Why you gotta get all up on him about it?
Worst. Trailers. Ever. In terms of presenting the dialogue... As for Ribisi vs. Reiser, I must put myself in the Reiser camp. I thought he was actually pretty amazing in Aliens. But it's all really minor quibbling... Can't wait to see the thing again...
... for having liked it, is all.

I totally agree, the story is not original at all (Dances with Wolves and all that), but the movie is a technical TRIUMPH. Ebert described feeling the same way after leaving this movie as he did when he walked out of Star Wars in 1977. This movie finally used 3D in a way that enhanced the story rather than distracting the viewer from it.

I'm sure you probably agree with all this, you just seem awfully pissed off at Avatar for someone who supposedly liked it. You also seemed to be pissed off about its lack of originality in storytelling, to which I say... cowboy up! Where is YOUR original story? If you liked Avatar, maybe James Cameron would even film it for you!
hopefully the sequel will have a decent story. I certainly hope that Cameron gives us something more than pretty images to look at next time
Either that or Avatar 2: Navi say Never Again!
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...Ribisi was more fun...but on Pandora we had Colonel Scarface to hate...he was delightfully hateable enough for several movies...
Jan. 7, 2010, 10:12 p.m. CST
This assuming the audience still hunger for more AVATAR...
by BadWaldosRevenge
TWILIGHT SAGA, LORD OF THE RINGS and HARRY POTTER are based on the best-selling series, ensuring a large fan base and average moviegoers' interest. AVATAR is an "original" film series, not that there's any originality left in the first movie (it's so cliche-ridden that threads familiar territory done in past films aside from literature). If Jim can come up with damn cool ideas for the sequel, then swell, but he might need a reliable script doctor to polish AVATAR sequels to up originality and decrease cheesiness.
Between BATTLE ANGEL, THE DIVE, and inevitable AVATAR sequels, James has a full slate of films on his plate. Almost a dozen years of temporary retirement between feature films paid off well for him and it shows at the box office which is phenomenal. He knows how to tune in with the common human emotions to pull strings and have them return to the movies to watch AVATAR repeatedly like it's crack in spite of some cheezy flaws (some laughable dialogues spoken by the villian played by Stephen Lang, who plays it so straight he should get a Best Supporting Actor Oscar nomination). Even though he mocked some fans who "live in an avatar" playing video games and role-playing board games in that "smoking" NYT story. He basically tell basement-dwelling, bloated, lonely, and pathetic fanboys to get a life...and get a percentage revenue from AVATAR video game sale. Unvarnished, brutal truth mingled with Hollywood hypocrisy is the norm these days.
...small tweak...may I?
Jan. 7, 2010, 10:14 p.m. CST
"This assuming the audience still hunger for more AVATAR"...
by FlickaPoo
...my cognitive abilities?
genetically mutated avatars get the job done
When Neytiri succumbs to alcoholism, only Jake-a-tar's love can save her.
I was addressing your hardcore skeptic ass because you and only you responded to my first post. If you didn't think it pertained to you then why bother.
Second, you don't seem to know what a troll is.
Third if you think that "trolling" - or in my case plain ol' posting - without having read the TB is a "new" level of ANYTHING, then you haven't been around AICN very long. The only thing that might be "new level" about my post was that I actually SAID I didn't read the TB. think of it like a magic trick - I'm psychic.
Boxofficemojo.com #1 Titanic #2 Avatar Cameron you are da' bomb !
The only thing even remotely interesting is if it's adjusted for inflation. I'd rather they just count the fucking tickets if they're gonna get all hot and bothered about it. But wait, then they WOULDN'T get all hot and bothered because Gone With The Wind would still be #1. And Titanic would be #6. Hey not bad but Avatar is at 87 right now - even lower with the higher 3-D ticket prices. It's a very commercially successful movie, just leave it at that.
Jake-A-Tar goes undercover to take on a rogue Na'vi terrorist.
Jake-A-Tar meets Jake Gyllenhaal in this heart-wrenching, cock-twisting love story.
Jesus, take a pill. So you disagree with Ominus's take on the originality of the story (or lack there of) and that makes him a mongrel fucktard? Really? Why don't you put down the keyboard, go get some air, some beer, or some pussy and lighten the fuck up.
And today's secret ingredient is ............ Ikran!!!!!
Don't take that away from me. Bro.
Box Office Victory = Moronic America... Meesa LUV 3D! Story meesa no hafta think about! Meesa LUV unexplained priceless natural element! Unobtainium! Cantgetitanium! Searchingforitupmyassium! Teapartyconservativebirtherluvitinmyanusium! Meesa thinks Ominous either can't spell "ominous" which makes him a moron...or meesa thinks he likes Omnius from the Dune prequels...which makes him a moron... Wooooo...bam bam science fiction whoopium! Meesa love Sam Worthington's bombad pectoral muscles! Meesa love bombad James Cameron! Meesa waiting to be spoon fed next bombad science fiction derivative wank-fest! Meesa meesa meesa! Meesa wanna be bluesa in my parents' basementa!
but I finally got into the theater and saw Avaar in 3D. It was fucking amazing!! I've seen some disparaging comments here on AICN, especially regarding the story, but I really fell in love with this movie. I even dug Worthington's performance.
 More please, James C. You've created one hell of a "universe."
Can't any of you just be happy or in a good mood that for the first time in years Cameron had a movie and it made a mint ! Just be happy we are alive to see this moment in history. My G-d, can't some of you ever stop your whining and misery and just be excited for this > 1 Billion dollar sensation !
It's fucking cold outside.
lves and suck it! Now that you have all been proven so damn wrong about the success of Avatar, the only shit you have is to claim it wont be influential? Nevermind that it already is given the number of films useing the tech developed for it, and the explosion of 3D we will now see. Just as before you will be proven 100% wrong, and made to look like idiots. So please, keep making your "predictios", they are good comedy....
Is Cameron going to wait 12 years inbetween movies and make doucmentary spinoffs for Avatar like he did Titantic? This man's resume is simply amazing. He has directed nothing but hits.
Almost ... too good.
in smellovision.
Star Trek is more influential??!! I would love anyone to actually explain that in any way that makes sense. Sure pal, just like it was predicted months ago that Star Trek would completely outperform Avatar at the b.o.......funny how that didnt work out either....
I'll pass on seeing this garbage, then...
I'll pass on seeing this garbage, then...
Not a big Cameron hit, his least popular, but it was incredibly intense and a great statement on race relations, etc... A sick movie to no end and another example of his formula-- very strong woman lead, very intense movie full of visual detail.
where did you get that from?
Was mulling this on the way home. Cameron's done the classic Terminators, the Abyss, Titanic, Aliens and now the absolutely astounding, game-changing Avatar. It just boggles my mind. He has to be the best action adventure director ever.
JJ ain't fit to lick Cameron's feet after he stepped in cow pie.
An elite group of Na'vi Jews go after their human Nazi oppressors.

"And cousin... business is a blue-min'!"

Thank you, thank you, I'll be here all week!
I always considered that a Bigelow movie, but yeah. Cameron wrote the screenplay. I was nuts for that movie when it came out. What a gritty, visceral action flick. Great bad guy, 2 unique protagonists and some really cool "tech."
He just knows how to get our dicks hard.
Meesa thinks Bigelow hands Cameron his ass on Oscar night! Bombad Hurt Locker kicks wussbad Avatar's aesthetic ass! Hurt Locker features no blue marines defending bombad America's bombad imperialistic wet dreams! Woota woota! Meesa meesa! Bigelow is meesa queen of the world! Maybe next Cameron can direct undersea 3D Pandora blue documentary bombad adventure! Meesa have to go change meesa Avatarminator underwear!
I knew Cameron wrote it but never got around to seeing it. Worth a rental is the consensus here? Story was something about Y2K, right?
But I don't think this will be Cameron's next project. I would bet he wants a break from Avatar to work on perhaps BATTLE ANGEL ALITA.
...but meesa isn't surprised that gay wankers' dicks stiffen at the sight of James Cameron's bombad jowly features! Bombad involuntary ejaculation, eh Cameronians? Meesa thinks mooey recovery time is needed for basement dwelling fans...yoosa may need to recite the multiplication tables...pow! Ohhhh...meesa sorry...yousa girlfriends thinka yousa not last long enough? No wonder yousa like color blue...yousa balls constantly needa dis pow pow! But yousa girlfriends sad that yousa only offer them unobtanium...if yousa know what meesa means...Boom! Meesa hard jobbin' your girlfriends while yousa seeing Avatar for the 498th time! Yousa wishin' yousa looked like Sam Worthington? Hahahahaha! Meesa laughin'! Meesa givin' your girlfriends 124th pow tonight! How you like dis now?
Datsa wot meesa tink!
Jan. 7, 2010, 11:23 p.m. CST
by BringingSexyBack
In what other manner would you be channeling your retardation?
Roll tide motherfuckers!!!!!!!!
for a Gungan speaking retard, then yousa crazy bro.
Yeah, did you see the movie? It stressed that racism was the cause of so much evil in society and at the dawn of a new millenium, society rebelled against it. That was part of the message-- clearly having white officers execute a black celebrity was a major plot point and was felt to be the trigger for what might have been a race war-- did you see the movie? Having the "white man" do the right thing at the end in front of everyone was the way to go.
your desperate need for pussy. Once you achieve both of these things, you'll be feeling better.
Human military dispatches female cyborg to hunt down Jake and his girlfriend
Wouldn't it be awesome if the Prawns landed on Pandora?
It's set in LA on NYE 1999 and it's a murder mystery involving an ex-cop (Ralph Fiennes) who's strung out on a futuristic tech drug/device that allows you to live moments and memories in other people's lives. Think virtual reality. It also stars Angela Basset as a limo-driving, bad-ass bodyguard that has a sweet spot for our messed up hero. It's a dark, fucked-up action movie and well worth your time. Also starring Tom Sizemore and Juliette Lewis.
...but the only "titanic" yousa girlfriends are interested in is meesa titanic in meesa pants...yousa medusa, but meesa great leonopteryx...pow! Ooooh, meesa tinks you girl felt dat! Woota woota! Meesa meesa! Meesa porka yousa squeeza! Meesa tinks she knows how meesa fills her "box" office, if yousa know what meesa means...ooooh, meesa afraid of yousa fan lizards! Notta! Hahahahahaha!
he's fucking sick with sequels too so this should be hype. Where do we go from here though? Without humans will be a risky move. But bring humans back and it could be a huge re-tread.
...................what if their are other planets and species/races...........or a planet as advanced as our or stronger that is trying to wipe out HUMANS........EARTH 2 where ever that would be and look like.......maybe a cross between BLADE RUNNER and STAR WARS....with all of CAMERONS vintage action sequences cut together TERMINATOR and JUDGEMENT DAY ALIENS.....
Jan. 7, 2010, 11:56 p.m. CST
Has anyone got any serious ideas for a plot for number 2
by Miyamoto_Musashi
After the average to awful Matrix sequels I have concerns about this, though if anyone call pull it off its Jim
Holy fuuuuuck. It's pretty boss. Soderbergh film with Gina Carano. Just added Michael Fassbender, Michael Douglas, Ewan McGregor and Dennis Quaid. They all getting their ass kicked by Carano. I'm glad Fassbender's getting tons of films, he's one of the best actors working at the moment.
like the sequel to Alien I have no idea how they can make one to Avatar. It seems like everything is tied up too neatly. Humans will possibly come back with the world army? But that shit takes 4 years to get to Pandora....
they were still miles better than Bay or Greengrass' shitty action direction. And Cameron still had it, but man the scenes weren't as exciting as they could have been. And also that mech-alien battle was way too short.
Much of the hype of this film was the novelty factor of it along with it being Cameron's first film in over a decade. Now that all that is passed (along with all the narrative set-up of the first film), Avatar 2 will have to rely on a solid story in order to be successful. Like many people, I feel that Avatar was visually stunning but lacking for the most part in story. To be honest I started dozing halfway through it. If Cameron puts a lot of time into making a fantastic story combined with those visuals, we're in for a treat.
...I forgot his STORIES................
Nic Cage is a whacked-out Space Cop sent to Pandora some years after the events in the first flick to deal with matters that have gotten out of control ... This time the florescent blue six-legged iguanas that he sees are actually real, however.
that Pandora orbits? I kept wondering what the surface of that monstrosity looks like. What's on the other smaller moons that seems so (relatively) close? Then again, Pandora is huge enough to warrant more exploring just on its own. Maybe another alien race gets wind of the place and invades. Man, it seems like a hard story to come up with. A sequel needs a new threat, a new conflict. I agree with the TBer who said that another force from Earth does seem like a bit of a retread. And so many sequels suffer from just being rehashed versions of their first installment.
...........you could make an AVATAR sequel about anything any planet or ALIEN race.......that would be cool if they made an AVATAR of another ALIEN race trying to take us and EARTH 2 over.........a hint of BATTLESTAR but with a kick-ass HOSTEL race.........
Jan. 8, 2010, 12:20 a.m. CST
plenty of good cliché characters + storylines left for more movi
by alice133
besides who says a good cliché isnt made to be repeated.
unless its in 5-D.
Tyler Perry's perennial favorite enlists in the Avatar program seeking new adventure and a chance to meet new people ... hilarity and hijinks ensue.
The "enemy", could be returning humans going for a second go at wiping out the Na'Vi.
 Could be a different alien spieces that will cause problems for humans and Na'Vi alike, i.e. Na'Vi and humans having to work closer together.
 Could be an internal threat for the Na'Vi, some group of Na'Vi wanting to advance technology in line with humans, trying to then do a deal with some humans. Or the opposite a group of Na'Vi trying to make sure all the humans are gone, including the non-pure Jake
 Like the third option better, don't necessarily like all the Na'Vi being uncorruptable and too nice. Like to see how the Na'Vi deal with life after all the human destruction, some may have been so affected that they contemplate vengenance.

Aliens vs. Predator vs. Nav'i ...
Jan. 8, 2010, 12:29 a.m. CST
They need to set it on one of the moons with a different project
by reflecto
Some utterly different environment with the Earth gov. having a different goal, with a new cast of humans getting sucked into some sort of crisis/mystery - and then Jake, Neytiri and co. show up at the halfway point. Not just more of the same.
Camerson said as much in one of his intervies.
Smug in their against all odds win against the Humans, the Na'vi never learn to use or reproduce the advanced technology left behind and are shown their impotence when the humans return and drive them onto reservations on the "non-wired" sections of Pandora.

 Rated NC-17 for scenes of Human on Na'vi USB flash drive rape.
No..I'm not kidding, but I should be. For fucks sake why would anyone want to see this?
Was that Cameron's first cut or a rough assembly? I want his cut.
After people get over the beautiful CG, they realize that there wasn't anything much to the story. And they start saying how the movie shows the stupidity of Americans. Suddenly, it's uncool to like Avatar.
R U kidding me. Transformers was a beginning to end piece of shit. Stupid infantile, idiotic story, horrific acting, and fight scenes where you often could not even keep the "good guys" and "bad guys" straight. Avatar had good messages and you never doubted what you were seeing. Not to mention the fact that no one was named "bumblebee" who was from another planet where bees exist? nor a "gay" transformer or ridiculous adoption of English ways.. OMG it just doens't end. It was crap.
want, just like Titanic whaaa! it was only because of girls it did so well. Now the bitching and whining is whaa! its because of inflation and higher 3D prices. Nevermind that there are way fewer 3D screens than 2d screens, thus the vast majority of people in the world are actually seeing it in 2D. But whatever helps you guys sleep at night. No 2 movie of all time, there will be sequals, and lots more Avatar to annoy the shit out of you haters while you continue to bleat and make pathetic excuses, and ultimatly wrong predictions about it...aaah, good times....
have to actually explain to someone why, and how Avatar is different from that ultimate crapfest TF2 may I suggest they seriously are not worth talking to. Nevermind that they clearly are missing at least one half of their brain....
ities for the Avatar universe to be expanded. There are 14 other moons that orbit the gas giant (Pandora being just one), and Cameron has stated that we will follow the further adventures of Jake and Netreyi as well as explore the other moons, and the rest of the Alpha Centuri A solar system. Basically Cameron has created a structure where he can have a kind of mini-universe where he can have realistic space travel due to a large number of moons in close proximity. So, any number of things could happen, there could be a more advanced hostile alien race out there that becomes a big problem for both Earth and the Na'vi (team up with the RDA perhaps?)...and thats just one possibility. Nevermind all the adventures that could be had following the main characters exlploring other worlds.....
has colonized many planets, which also makes sense given that the RDA is clearly meant to be the Dutch East India Trading company. SAo there is still plenty of conflict that could be played out there....
Avatar's total box office is 66.9% international. The inflation adjusted totals only include domestic. Also, todays movies make revenue in dvd, blue rays, merchandise, tie ins, on demand, tv network rights, premium channel rights, itunes downloads, etc. GONE WITH THE WIND: People couldn't steal the movie. Radio was the only competitor. Now, Film competes with tv, home theater, video games, ect.
Due to a lot of complications I didn't get to see Avatar until last night (I can't believe it's been out since Dec.18) and I managed to stay spoiler free until I saw the film. The only info I have to go on is what I saw in the movie last night and I'm looking forward to a second viewing to get it down a bit more.
 I had no idea the large planet was a gas giant (so much for exploring that massive bastard) and I'm impressed with the way Cameron has set up the moons so that the characters can move between them relatively quickly. He's set himself up a fantastic sandbox. Who knows, maybe they'll be making Avatar adventures long after Cameron shuffles off this mortal coil... What a clever bastard he is.

Jan. 8, 2010, 1:59 a.m. CST
I don't recall the full name for the RDA but I thought it was mi
by reflecto
Sure they're shitty but they're supposed to be prequels, each at a different point in the past of RDA's Pandora expedition. It's a bit silly since both games posit that two other Avatar drivers ALSO did the same thing Jake did; kind of puts a damper on the film.
Cary Elwes' death scene was awesome. I remember enjoying Twister in the theater. I was a lot stupider then.
-backs out slowly-
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A reputable someone (I forgot who) said the next storyline involves the Na'Vi leaving Pandora and adventuring elsewhere. You know Big Jim's gonna turn that shit up to eleven!!!
national corporations, and the soldiers in the film where mercenaries working for SECFOR, the security arm of the RDA. Again, the RDA is basically a space version of the Dutch East India Trading Company...
fact, something the patehtic hater so conveniantly leave out. How much entertainment options, and other forms of viewing a film did people have in 77 when ANH came out? Fuck, there werent even video machines. Or in the 30s when Gone with the wind came out. Shit, there is even far more of that now than there was just 12 years ago when Titanic came out for fucks sake. nevermind that the vast majority of people worlwide are actually seeing Avatar in 2D, as there still are nt actually that many 3D screens (though it says something that people are prepared to pay the higher price to see Avatar again and again in 3D)So it does nt matter what bullshit you want to come up with to now somehow negate the phenomenal success Avatar is having. Its a pop culture phenom wether you like it not. In short, get over it haters, you lose....
I dont see why everyone is up in arms when Harry is late publishing his DVD colum. It is basically an Amazon advertising page with a one or two paragraph splurge by the fat man. If you are interested in a movie go watch it and make your own mind up. Please, whatever you do, do not take Harry's word on movies for fuck sake.
He really has created a framework to have his own Star Wars/Star trek. A universe that can be constantly expanded, and explored. Forever adding new characters, concepts, aliens, cultures etc...
People can claim Avatar had a cliche story all they want, at least it HAD a story. Tranformers was an overblown vapid piece of shit, with a story that lacked any coherence and giant robots running around and fighting for almost three hours. Whatever you wanna say about Avatars story, at least it followed a classic narrative of the heroes journey, where the main characters got into real conflicts, not just "oh no! a robots coming!". Avatar had the balls to be a film about two tall blue cat aliens falling in love, with more time spent on characters then action (which = amazing payoff) all the while wearing a pertinent message out on it's sleeve.
 And despite the narratve being familiar in some ways, in others it was completely original. The bottom line is that Avatar is an adventure film, and it's one of the finest ever made, comparable to classics such as Star Wars. Never before has a film immersed audiences so deeply and believably in an alien world, and taken them on such a unique and mesmerizing journey. Pandora felt real, and for 2 1/2 hours, Cameron put us right on that planet along side the protagonists of the film. Avatar is something that no amount of clever dialogue or surprise plot twists could ever compare to...it's true cinema escapism...the reason most of the people on this site fell in love with movies to begin with. The type of movie you just have to leave your house and go the cinema for...a film that utilizes the visual artform of cinema to it's full potential. But more then just pretty FX, it is a beautiful film with a soul, with countless breathtaking moments, and it will be forever remember as a benchmark in cinema...We can only hope Avatar 2 and (possibly) 3, expand on what made Avatar such a classic, and turn this into one of the quintessential sci-fi trilogies. I can't think of a director for fitting for such a thing then James Cameron, and knowing him, he'll pull it off.. The man who took on such massive, inconceiveable projects, and proved a countless amount of whiny internet nerds wrong in the process. People like Trannyformers Apologist - so convicned it would be a failure of Heavents Gate proportions - now a mere 3 weeks released it stands on top of the mountain with Tianic. Hopefully now they'll think twice before doubting the King again.
It's funny that now a lot of people are acting like Avatar was a shoe in to be one of the biggest movies of all time. If I could just remind everyone about the backlash this site had against the film after the first trailer was released, and people were claiming it would be the biggest box office failure of all time, and the biggest directorial choke of all time. And let's face it, this film WAS risky...a sci-fi pic with zero source material, no A-list stars, and the plot revolves around a love story between to cat-like aliens, who are entirely CGI. The only thing it had to bring in people was Cameron name, and directors names don't make hits. Cameron made an amazing film that's resonating with people in a similar fashion to Titanic, although not quite as much I'll say...but then again who knows? It could stil beat it. There are countless other good films being released, a lot of which had name recognition. How come they aren't doing Avatar numbers? And no, it's not the 3D. Cameron took a HUGE gamble, and it paid off...so to anyone who's acting like what Avatars achieving isn't a monumental feat, your in denial.
I thought today's audience was too jaded and cynical to take another riff on the same old "cowboys and Indians" story, now with freaky-looking blue people. I was amazed everyone embraced it, but I suppose I shouldn't have doubted Cameron's Midas touch; he knows how to pull the heartstrings while also giving people a great ride. And yes, it is an old story, full of hoary cliches and not all the dialogue works, but it's exceptionally well done and most of the script worked just fine - Zoe Saldana and the amazing mo-cap work on Neytiri should be nominated because she sold the whole picture; the rest of the cast is good, but if she doesn't work, then nothing does, not the world, not the Na'vi, not the speeches. The picture, however commercial, also has a profound liberal message and a radical slant in terms of its politics, and its answer to the problem of corporate bloodshed; most blockbusters would not dare give the moviegoing public a window into that kind of wild side. I look at Avatar like one of the classic westerns, subverted for a different political ideology; no, not all the dialogue in your favorite John Wayne flick necessarily is as pristine as it was 50 or 60 years ago, but the film is still a breathtaking classic on so many levels. For all that and more, Avatar is one of my top 10 of '09, right in the top 3.
original scriptment - Grace sleeping with one of the Na'vi spiritual leaders, more of Earth, more humans on base including a journalist, and a burnt-out driver who loved and lost a Na'vi female. Who knows, maybe it all got cut from the theatrical.
I expect them on BluRay. Which I now have to buy a PS3 for, Christ. THANKS AVATAR
Why build mechas? Why not grow giant, strong avatar creatures capable of beating the shit out of the fauna, and control them from orbit. I bet they'll do something like that in the sequel. (Can't have another mecha-avatar fight. They can have avatar vs. avatar+ or something though.)
Trailer addict has footage of the quaritch + selfridge confrontation in the hangar and some green screen footage of the hells gate attack. I've read some of the scriptment at long last, and there are some nice extras in there, earth is fleshed out ever so slightly more, theres cool bits like them visiting the school along with Quaritch on a foot patrol. Hopefully some more of that is filmed, it could definately fit in there without too much work.
Zoe Saldana deserves at least a nomination for making the film work given those conditions on the "set." It is like live theater with no props, or truly bizarre distracting ones (the headgear), and only "sense memory" of the jungle to go on.
Avatar: The Marines Strike Back Avatar: Return of the Na'vi
"Na'vi!!! Tonight, we dine on Earth!!!!!"
Great points about the inflation/competition for entertainment dollars, etc. Another thing is that when the naysayers/haters point out the higher prices are inflating Avatar's grosses, they're missing the point that people actually WANT TO PAY MORE MONEY to see this movie more than once. There were several movies released wide in 3D. Why haven't they made over $1 billion in 17 days? The fact is, and haters keep missing this, that Avatar is showing people something they haven't seen before, with a universal story that billions of people can relate to (the Chinese are eating this movie up because they relate to the displacement theme), and they LOVE IT.
Great points about the inflation/competition for entertainment dollars, etc. Another thing is that when the naysayers/haters point out the higher prices are inflating Avatar's grosses, they're missing the point that people actually WANT TO PAY MORE MONEY to see this movie more than once. There were several movies released wide in 3D. Why haven't they made over $1 billion in 17 days? The fact is, and haters keep missing this, that Avatar is showing people something they haven't seen before, with a universal story that billions of people can relate to (the Chinese are eating this movie up because they relate to the displacement theme), and they LOVE IT.
It's so obviously crafted to be an ever-expanding franchise of movies, comic books, novels by Alan Dean Foster and Timothy Zahn, and Lego sets.
shows enough new content to see just how expanded this universe really is, and how far across the stars humanity has managed to get to. Would certainly help in thinking what we could expect to see in the sequel.
And I thought my ideas were good!
many of the detractors dont get with their whaaa!, it wasnt complex or intellectual enough, is that if you look at the top earners of all time (ET, LOTR, Star wars OT, etc...) its because they are able to get an emotional respone out of people. And there are only a handful of directors that can tap into the emotions of filmgoers ala Cameron, Spielberg etc...Sorry if you are burnt out and cynical or too interested in intellectual masturbation, but thats what people ultimatly love. Theres a reason Star Trek (which I love btw, so dont attack me) has never been able to connect with the mainstream...too much intellectual pontificating...
complex ala ESB, but to get people to invest in and care about 10 foot tall blue alien cats, the focus has to be more on emotions than a complex narrative that would alienate the average filmgoer....
I really enjoyed this movie - as an event, the blah, the promo bullshit, the new tech created to make it & the 3D. Over all I'd happily give the experience a 9/10. However the movie on it's own in 2D? A solid 7.5, nothing more. Can't stand a fair chunk of Cameron's writing - or poaching from others. I think this film works best as a stand alone, other episodes will water it down. Kudos for trying something other than a remake/sequel in the first place, but now move on to something else please...
for the second time (still not in 3D, always sold out lol). It was even better than the first time imho...
And The Eagles Greatest Hits Volume 2 must be a great album cuz its the best selling in the States, right? Right?
 BTW - as an investor - I do laugh at the notion that "its popular - so it must be good". Sir John Templeton once famously said (and I loosely quote) "If 51% of the people want to buy a stock - sell it. If 51% of the people want to sell a stock buy it. If you want to be rich, go against the herd who are wrong the majority of times." A loose interpretation of the Avatar fad but I'll bet I'm right.
of stuff that was filmed that was cut. There is some amount of future Earth stuff (you can see some of it in the 2nd trailer), there is a hunt Jake goes on with the clan that was filmed but the fx were nt completed, there was an attack on Hellsgate that was filmed, a confrontation between Quarich and Selfridge, Jake finding Tsu Tsey's dead body, a more graphic sex scene with Jake and Neteryi...and thats just what has been confirmed, or shown in the trailers and behind the scenes stuff.....
You had me possibly beliving you until that point - then it just seemed like more basement dweller wankery...
How do you explain such success? At the other end of the spectrum, are you saying that mass popularity=shit? Then are the Beatles or Led Zepplin crap? Is Gone with the wind or Star Wars:ANH crap? Sometimes good things do become massivley popular dude. Just because you dont like it, does nt make the millions that do wrong....You can slice it any damn way you want, no film achieves this at the b.o without having something very appealing about it.....
Azreal eats all the navi smurfs except for smurfette , which Gargamel rapes thru an avatar of poppa smurf
collider, slashfilm etc...they all ran the story where Cameron himself confirmed it. Sorry to dissapoint you pal, its not something I pulled out my ass. Of course how much more graphic said scene is is debatable I guess...
that rather disturbing image in my head.....
You sick fuck. God bless you.
This bugs me averytime they anounce one of this. Why three movies? Why not a bilogy or a quadrology? Why the hell is three the magic number? Is it just because trilogy sounds cooler than pentalogy? Or do they suposedly follow the begining-middle-end structure? I doesn't make any sense for me. Anybody can explain this?
Jan. 8, 2010, 9:04 a.m. CST
I'm almost glad so many pseudo-intellectuals like this film…
by TheLastCleric
After years of reading smarmy, pretentious and laborious critiques from nitpicky man-children not nearly as smart as they think they are, the fact that Avatar has garnered their unwavering affection is not only ironic but also a profound statement on their taste and collective intelligence. It's been a long decade of CG bashing and a hive-mind mentality trashing certain franchises and directors, only to have one of the most contrived and cliché-ridden narratives I've ever suffered through treated as if it offers some sort of profundity. For the record I love Cameron and I still do, but what I saw opening night when watching Avatar was one of the worst stories ever put to film. It's beyond cliché; it was nothing more than a patchwork of several other films riddled by massive logic holes and tethered to a delusion of artistic pretension. What's worse is how many people defend this film using the same flimsy logic they employed when admonishing similar vapid blockbusters. Since this blue turd was released the following arguments have been repeated consistently by its defenders: The amount of money it is making equates quality; the film's story had to be simplified for the masses; the quality of the effects excuses the lackluster narrative, etc. What is nauseating is that you hypocrites are either unwilling or incapable of seeing how full of shit you are. You really think Avatar is that far removed from something like Transformers? It isn't. Avatar is barely science fiction and when compared to films like Moon, D9 or even Star Trek, Avatar is SciFiShortbus; a paltry offering of substance mixed with a heaping of eye candy so that the masses can enjoy the pretty lightshow. The best thing about Avatar is that it cuts through the bullshit and exposes the reality that all you wannabe hipster elitists who think your tastes and mentalities make you unique snowflakes are really just the same dumb, mouth-breathing motherfuckers as everyone else. As for myself, I'm content to sit back and wait for the inevitable backlash this film will garner, especially once this "masterpiece" hits DVD/Blueray and the actual mechanics and narrative become a bit more front and center. We'll see just how long this "classic" retains such a status.
Wahhh Avatar has to compete with videogames, wahhh those older movies were the only game in town, Avatar will make more money on Blu-Ray wah wah wahhhhhhhhhhh. Don't try and change the subject. Which is: How much money a film makes at the box office and the attendant outrageous celebration thereof. People are happy to boast about Avatar being #2 "All time" but then when someone says wait a minute, ticket prices, inflation, etc, it's #87 then suddenly they're making excuses. You can't puff up your chest that it's #2 then when you find out it's #87 say "oh that doesn't count". Yeah yeah it only counts when your macho daddy figure James Cameron is "dominating".
This isn't a meme or anything... humans just consider hings in 3's to have significance. I read once a theory that the earliest human concepts of life were divided into "birth", "life" and "death"
 But the rule of 3's is present in architecture, in comedy writing, in public speaking, in play writing, etc. Aristotle used it for the same purpose in fact.
In the case of successful films that spawn trilogies ( BTTTF, Star wars etc ) the writers/producers think of the first film as a great success but want the 2nd film to have more freedom to do something you couldn't normally do in a movie that stands on it's own. You let the audience explore a "what if" type scenario... the most famous example being Empire. It was a huge departure from the first movie, and yet was so memorably successful. Anyway.. the 3rd film is always about reeling you back in for that final summary of the story, or the great large scope reveal or what have you.

 Of course if it's designed as a trilogy from the outset the plot lines have alot longer to flesh themselves out, but how often do we see hollywood commiting to a trilogy sight unseen? LOTR was just about the only example I can think of. ( for better or for worse )
The movie made one billion dollars less then a month after release. Who's really suprised there is going to be a sequel?
The natives are scared once more, as the 'Death ships in the sky' once again circle the sacred ground that the foreigner has usurped to call his own.
 A mammoth armor plated dragon on wheels is rolling into the sacred area, it is flanked by the short, heavily armed monkey men and their firesticks of death.
 The weekly ritual is playing out once again, as the natives look on in a mixture awe and fear. Yes, it is time once again for James Cameron's armored money truck to deposit his weekly haul of loot onto the pristine shores of Malibu beach, and the natives aint happy.
 This Canadian, upstart, this nabob from the North, this foreigner, has the temerity and the uncouthness to flash his cash – every week!
 The truck of doom rolls down Pacific Coast highway, escorted by helicopters and motorcycles like it is a Presidential motorcade. Every week the money bags, filled with bills, fresh from sweaty fanboy palms, or smeared with fanboy 'enthusiasm' or something else entirely, or just signed 'Use me Master, ride me like a Pandoran Pony!' with a telephone # and an email address scrawled illegibly on the note, are dropped off in the Cameron Compound - because his money is too good for a regular bank, he started his own. Rumors are he is lending the Federal Gov't billions at 35%, and the right to bitch slap Dick Cheney anytime he pleases.
 Swarzenegger was seen scurrying out of the compound, rumors rife that in exchange for balancing California's budget, Cameron would be able to declare his compound a Kingdom and secede from the union. The natives fear that Swarzen-begger gave them up as well, so that all of Malibu is now Cameron's, and they have become his unwilling subjects.
 Will he paint them blue, and make them play pin the tail?
 Who's tail will he use? He already has five wives how much more tail does the King need?
 The Answer: All of it!
 Cameron surveys his Kindgom, and feels a familiar rumbling, 'I think I want an old world dish today…I'll bang Streisand'. And the King strolls over to the house of his unsuspecting vassal ready to demonstrate the bio-engineering marvel in the back of his pants.
mpts to negate its b.o success with endless excuses? You mean like that? Goes both ways pal...
"Theres a reason Star Trek (which I love btw, so dont attack me) has never been able to connect with the mainstream...too much intellectual pontificating..." I love Star Trek aswell, just after watching wrath and some of frontier (tv is crap), but I agree, they are rather dry, and when they attempt any real gravitas it just comes off as cheese or comedy. The movies themselves are also rather hollow, a single thread running the course of the entire movie, no real character work or action pieces (thats where they really fail), and certainly no twists. The new one corrected a few things and made it accessable, but the science in it is very weak (a water park in the heart of the ship) and there are plot holes like most other movies (nero comes back in time and instead of preventing the future catastrophe he gets hung up on a weak revenge plot), along with a lot of conviniences.
 Sure you can sling a lot of mud at Avatar, it's a big easy target, but theres plenty there that works, there is plenty of thought put in to make it work and a lot of effort made to get some emotional response. It succeeds far more in creating a consistant world than most other genre movies.
 As for cleric above, SciFiShortbus eh...When you use Star Trek as any kind of pinacle for Sci-Fi, especially the new one, you kind of lose all credibility. D9 wasn't exactly the richest science either, great movie, but it was essentially throwing all sorts of common sense out the window. Aliens allowed to live in slums and intermingle with humans with no armed guards. Not to mention none of the science was explained, magic fuel that also transforms humans who come in contact with it is a little convinient too, isn't it.
 But i guess thats what's different between haters and the rest of us, we hold all movies to the same standards and are willing enough to overlook certain plot devices, it's a movie afterall. While the haters just take a vendetta against something and lose all sense of objectivity or common sense.
believe how much money this film is making?
Tell you what - you come back to me in 5 years and see if Avatar has stood the test of time. If it has - hey great. But tell me that Titanic is a film that somehow profoundly resonated in some primordial part of your very being and I'll call you a damned liar.
 And Ive said it before - I'll say it again. It endlessly fucking amuses me that people who claim to love this movie so deeply, a movie with a deeply anti-materialistic message, could get all juicy over 10-figure boxoffice reports.
dude. I just watched Avatar again to night, and I was actually amazed at the level of detail in Pandora, and how you can clearly see how much effort went into every little detail (the first time I saw it I was too focused on film itself if that makes sense). Its actually bizzare, when you are watching these 10 foot tall blue cat aliens, I just kept thinking "this should nt work" but somehow Cameron does it in a way that it does. It should come off as utterly ridiculous, but it does nt. Cameron really is a maverick, as the above guy said it amazes me how so mnay cant just give a bit of respect for what Cameron has done here (even if you dont like the film), this was damn risky, from the tech used, to asking people to give a shit about 10 foot tall cgi aliens, a love story between two non-human characters etc....And its having this much success?! Only Cameron man....
Jan. 8, 2010, 9:44 a.m. CST
Is there really a story for a sequel? I liked the movie
by Coughlins Laws
and am glad I saw it, but I have no desire to sit through it again and I don't know why anyone wants to see Sully as a leader now. Did anybody really love this? The Special Effects were great, but the story really wasn't that compelling. If you're a movie fan, there isn't anything you haven't seen in the last 30 years, plot-wise. Are people really seeing this over and over again? I understand everyone wanting to see this at least once, but there's nothing about that movie that compels me to see it again or make me want to buy the DVD and watch at home, without the 3-D effects...
keep ranting and raving against Avatar all you want. While it may be premature to compare Avatar to Star Wars just yet, there are a number of very interesting point of comparison, not that you can or would see them as you are too busy believing only what you want to. Not sure what Titanic has to do with the conversation as its not a sci-fi space opera like Avatar or Star Wars. But whatever helps you sleep at night...For the record, I will compare Avatar to Star Wars, not least because of its massive success which means you can bet your ass we will be getting sequals, and a lot of other media expanding its universe. So tough shit pal....
so many people go and watch ANH again and again? it has just as simple a narrative (is ANH's story anymore full of suprises and twists?)is also cobbled together from numerous sources that had all been seen before. And the characters where all archetypes that had aslo all been seen before. There is some bad acting and dialouge in ANH too. So why? Imho dude, its because people find the universe Lucas created compelling, just as they are finding the world Cameron has created here compelling. Both are cobbled togehter from dozens of sources, and offer the possibility of limitless imagination in terms of "world building".
something more expansive,complex, deep, and adult. So lets see what happens with Avatar 2, lets see if Cameron can pull off the same feat....
No it doesn't go both ways. I never "negated" anything. It's very successful film, and I never said it wasn't. I said it was, in fact. I was talking about the ridiculousness of unadjusted BO numbers, Avatar is just a prime example for obvious reasons.
other movies, but how many people actually saw those movies? Star Wars was fresh. I'm sure most movie-goers that bought tickets to Star Wars in 1977 never saw a Kurosawa movie or Flash Gordon serials back in the 50s and 60s matinees? There were no VCRs back then, you would have had to see these in the theatres. By the time Avatar came out, everyone has seen Dances With Wolves, Pocahontas, etc, and the plot points were not fresh. And even though Avatar has made more money so far, it has yet to be anywhere near the amount of tickets sold as Star Wars. If you adjust for inflation or just count tickets sold, Gone With The Wind and Star Wars have sold WAY more tickets than Avatar has or will...
or one of the other moons, I don't see what more can be said about the Na'vi. Again, maybe he can prove me wrong. Will there be another battle against humans? If the corporation came back with more weapons, the Na'vi could never win. And just how many times can you go to the well about EVIL corporations wanting to kill the locals to mine for resources?
on himself that the Avatar sequals will indeed see the main characters travel to and explore the other moons (there are 14, of which Pandora is just one). Also, the RDA is meant to be space version of the Dutch East India Trading company, so it obviously has a far reach , with colonys on other planets. If you think about the things that Avatar is most influenced by (John Carter of Mars/Dune) then you will see that there are numerous places Avatar sequals could go...
olt, so your inflation point (which is true btw) is valid because it supports your viewpoin t, but the fact of how extremely different the entertainment market is now (which are also true) are not valid because it does nt match your viewpoint? Wow man, just wow....
My biggest complaint about the Ribisi character was that his function as "Exposition Man" was alittle blunt-edged. And I did think Reiser's character had a tad more depth in Aliens; he didn't come across as a total dick from the get-go, like Ribisi's did.
Why am I going on about this? So unimportant...
 MORE AVATAR, WE WANTS IT!
people worlwide are in fact seeing Avatar in 2D (i myself have only seen it in 2D) as there simply are not that many 3D screens worldwide. Are you denying this? And as others have pointed out, what does it say that people are quite happy to pay the higher 3D price to see it again and again? If it were not simply due to the film striking a chord with people, people finding it compelling, then why have nt other 3D films become phenoms like this?
i's scenes ended up on the cutting room floor. We know for sure that there is a scene where he has a serious confrontation with Quritch...Oh and I agree, more Avatar, me wants it too. And we will certainly be getting it....
Avatar's story might not be the second coming of Jesus, but it is however competently crafted and flawlessly executed. There are no glaring plot holes or ham-fisted plot devices put in just to advance the story or force some character arc. Cameron doesn't treat his audience like they are total morons that needs everything spelled out to them in the most painfully obvious ways nor does he forget who is target audience is (everyone). Nothing in Cameron's movies are put in there just to look cool or to fill the screen, everything is planned ahead of time and everything serves a purpose. If something breaks or explode there is always some kind of reasoning behind it. He doesn't just throw some more breaking glass in to a scene because he think it would 'look awesome'. Most characters he craft behave somewhat rationally when you take in to account the context of the scenes and the essence of the character. In most movies there are usually a couple of reasonable courses of action a given character can take, but a lot of times said character goes and does something so utterly stupid or contrived that its hard to suspend all disbelief, not so in a JC movie. Naturally JC takes some artistic freedom same as everyone else or his movies would risk becoming somewhat boring and bogged down with lengthy scientific explanations and justifications. He does fantasy science fiction after all. Sure, loading up a transport plane with crates of plastic explosives might now have been the way I would approach blowing up the Na'vi holy site but at least he does try to justify it with the fact that conventional guided ordinance wouldn't work due to the 'flux field' and I am willing to buy the assumption that the mercenary outfit in the movie didn't have access to any special kinds of weapons aside from what was fitted on the gunships etc. When you think about it its not that crazy. Given the option of jury-rigging a laser guided bomb or just strapping tons of C4 together, the easiest choice is obviously going with the explosives and putting it on the biggest and toughest ship they have. If we start nitpicking we can find flaws in everything but Cameron at least try to make some sense of it all. If you take a critical look at some of the movies released this year and hold it up to Avatar standard you will see just how poorly they compare when put up to the same kind of scrutiny.
opening scene: close up of Locke's pupils dilating as he wakens from 200 year hibernation in a wheelchair. Lance Henriksen as Frank Black helps John use the avatar technology to become Peter Watts, the leader of the NEW MILLENIUM GROUP where they travel the universe solving murders by telepathy. Zooey Deschanel as Jorden Black uses the avatar tech to be a Space Angel who finds the spirits of the murdered aliens.
this Thunderbolt, you cant have it both ways where you want to point out the valid inflation argument, but then ignore, or consider the other valid points invalid that counter it...The simple fact is that taken as a whole, all the points that have been made make any flat out direct comparison nothing more than an academic exercise. Ultimatly every film that becomes a phenom does so in the different time, place, and context in which it happens....
Avatar director (and now record holder of the two highest-grossing movies of all-time worldwide) James Cameron has optioned the screen rights to The Last Train From Hiroshima: The Survivors Look Back, an upcoming non-fiction book written by Charles Pellegrino. There's
I should have figured there'd be some Ribisi scenes somewhere that gave him more than a millimeter of depth... Reason No. 197 to look forward to the DVD director's cut...
he needs them badly
just like that music style made huge amounts of money, and was wildly popular with the base...so too is Avatar. It is fun, simple enough for everyone from 5-95 to understand, and the popular movie to like...a recipe for insane financial success to be sure.

But when is the last time you listened to "Nitro" or "L.A.Guns"? I suspect in 10 years that Avatar donload will rarely get played...while something like Raiders or Empire Strikes Back will still get a spin once in awhile.
I never considered this before, but the more I think about it the more there seems to be something in it. Cameron commands an unusual amount of man love from 18-35 males, maybe they see him as a surrogate father figure who won't let them down after their own biological fathers left them at an early age? This makes a lot of sense to me - the lengths they go to defend him from even minor criticisms seems to back this theory up.
to get an Avatar Extended edition ala the LOTR EEs. There is clearly a lot of exrea footage, and given the insane success of this film, I cant believe Cameron wont ge tthe money he wants to complete the additional scenes fx. Shit man, Cameron can now put his cigars out on the foreheads of Fox execs if he wanted to. He now truly has "fuck you" clout, and has joined the exclusive Lucas/Spielberg club....
where LA guns or Nitro were ever as popular in musical terms to Avatar.....
I even overlooked the stupid, over-simplified messages he slipped in about environmentalism and the War in Iraq. Maybe he does have alot to say in the sequels. I'll give him the benefit of the doubt. He has a great track record. But I don't see wanting to see this movie if I'm not watching it in 3-D (when it DOES look like a video game). I'm not going to be watching this over and over again like the Terminator movies, Aliens, and even True Lies. Are you really gonna buy this on DVD or Blu-Ray and watch it over and over? Will you watch this over and over again in 5 years when it comes on TNT once a month, on a small screen with no 3-D?
material for an Extended Edition. I must have read somewhere on this site, there's more hot stuff from the love scene in particular. Meee-ow!
No i can't. It's pretty unbelievable. If Fox's strategy to have allowed Cameron to make suchaan expensive movie so he would get a flop and thus have an excuse to get rid of him, it failed miserably. Cameron is now as much the Lord Of Paramount as Nolan is the Lord of Warner Brothers.
i bet you have some original scifi ideas yes?
endorsing a revenge trip of unprovoked genocide and colonization on the Nav'i. Even if things are really horrible on Earth, there would still be upstanding people on Earth (not to mention enough corporate interest willing to peacefully partner will the Nav'i, in order to discover non-invasive profit centers) willing to rise up and sabotage said genocide. If a handful of the Pandora team were willing to defend the Nav'i, then other people on Earth would defend them too.
to be asking those questions? We cant really know that now can we? Also, a lot will depend on the sequals. Think about it dude, woud Star Wars be as remembered were it not for ESB? And look at how the Matrix is now forever tarnished because of the Matrix sequals. If Cameron makes a great sequal (and last time I checked he has a good track record with those) then that will also hugely change how Avatar is preceived years from now. Just as if he fucks up on an epic scale....
Jesus when was the last time anybody sat through a SW movie? I can't even stomach them anymore. Not even as a background movie. Face it, SW had its glory days but the times, and the prequels, have relegated them to the dustbin of cinematic history. We now have new generations of great sci-fi. SW is totally irrelevant except to a small fringe niche now. No offense intended though - them's just the facts.
I did, but i never got to be a sucessful filmmaker.
Jan. 8, 2010, 11:14 a.m. CST
Star Wars had a storyline that wasn't resolved in ANH
by Coughlins Laws
Avatar's story was told. If they go on about other moons or something other than the Na'vi, it won't be a direct sequel. Star Wars 4-6 worked as a pretty great trilogy. This sounds like it will be more sequels with different stories, more in line with Godfather 1 and 2...
how was the story not resolved in ANH? I would say that if there were no sequals, it would have worked just fine as a standalone imho....Totally disagree with you ther...We dont know if Avatar's story is told because we dont know what the hell the sequals will actually be about. But one thing is clear imho, Avatar feels very much like a set up of a universe and characters for a larger story. I would argue that the entire film feels like one giant set up for Jake becoming a pulp serial hero ala John Carter of Mars, and the relationship between him and Neteryi....
You say A New Hope's borrowed pieces weren't so familiar to audiences back in 1977? You mean, the King Arthur myth wasn't well-known? Unassuming lad goes on to discover he is predestined to be great, inherits a grand power from his father and goes on to be a great leader? I'm pretty sure a lot of people were in tune with Lord of the Rings, as well, as it was one of the key of the counterculture in the 60s and 70s. Face it, these movies succeed because of the skill of the directors AND because the story is classical.
their adventures...
That was a pretty huge book with a central narrative similar to Luke's rise.
story was just as well known, and had been seen just as much in 77. As you say, its all about how these classical stories are told...
Yeah wow. You didn't get it straight. It doesn't support my point, but I didn't say it's not valid - for another discussion. It's another subject. I'm talking about misleading numbers. Just cause you don't like that fact doesn't mean you can bring to bear unrelated phenomena and expect me to accept it. It has nothing to do with bullshit numbers. It's beside the point of what the fuck I was saying, I don't know how much clearer I can make it. You know, the ethnic makeup of America has changed; there's a lot of shit you can say changed and it's true but that doesn't make it apropos to the VERY SPECIFIC thing I brought up. Christ on a crutch!
But it was in Japanese so nobody understood him.
You're absolutely right. Star Wars ANH was clearly intended to be a standalone film. Sure, there was enough wiggle room to advance the story if the thing became a monster hit. But Lucas and Fox did not expect this movie to be the paradigm-shifting monster it became, and so that's why the movie ends with a large measure of satisfying closure. And even if there was never to be a sequel to it, and some of the strands remain untied, the movie itself started in the middle of things, and so if the audience was left with Vader just off in space, it wouldn't have mattered that much.
That just proves ANH was meant as a standalone.
I mean, really?
I think Cameron is just giving lip service about a sequel(s) because the movie is still freshly out, and the excitement is high.
 But really, I think Avatar truly stands alone and any further adventures would diminish its appeal. Just like the Matrix and prequels.
 I don't see JC as a money grubber like some other creators, jury-rigging a franchise just to move high priced plastic and mundance TV spinoffs.
 I could be wrong but I think not. I hope he does his nuclear documentary and moves on to new pastures.
...parts 2 and 3. He's got treatments for the next two, and has said with all the "digital assets" they've created, the next couple of movies would be much easier and less expensive to make.!!!FACTOID!!!
OK, so the humans come back and we have another fight? booring.Or Perhaps what could make a sequel work is if they have an Aliens tie in, where a ship crash-lands on the Navi homeworld of Pandora and discover a Xenomorph that starts to wipe out their animals and pour acid on the tree's. The Alien queen makes a home in the new Home tree, and you have the worlds first Navi Alien Hybrid's. Hooah.. I'd pay to see that..
Makes me chukle when morons think they are psychoanalysts. If a girls is a stripper, she has daddy issues. If a man sleeps with many women he has mommy abandonment issues etc. Hillarious you think poeple are that simple and one dimentional. Here is another one for you. I think you are projecting your daddy issues on to others. Wow damn im good! I should open up my own practice.
he went along, but he clearly intended to do more than one movie. He started off calling it Episode 4 and he had an outline covering 6 to 12 films, depending on how much you believe his mind's ever-changing BS. He had no money so he had to wrap up ANH in a way that it could either be the end, or just the end of one battle. I think he did it pretty good, storywise, with the continuation shown in ESB. However, I don't see how you have continuing stories with the Na'vi. They are, for all intents and purposes, the same as American Indians. They have no technology (although Sully did help them steal technology) and can't leave their planet/moon. If there's a new story following the Na'vi, it will either be a rehash of this story with them having to fight back an even bigger human onslaught, or they will become background characters involved in a bigger story involving the other moons or the main planet. Either way, I don't see how he can do a continuing story the way this one was wrapped up? Do you? I think they explored about all they can the Na'vi's way of life before it gets boring...
As far as Lucas, you're right. He did borrow from books (Star Wars followed The Hidden Fortress, Empire loosley followed structure of The Two Towers, etc) but never had something quite like that been put on film. None of the kids that saw Star Wars in 1977 ever saw Flash Gordon serials or a Kurosawa film. Also, Dune and Lord of the Rings had yet to be put on film. They were two popular works of fiction, but they weren't ever really the source of a feature film. With Avatar, everyone's seen Dances With Wolves, Pocahontas, The Last Samurai, etc, etc, etc. I'm not saying that Lucas didn't use plot points from his influences, but he was the first to combine them in the way he did...
I don't get it. It's ironic to debate the issue on the internet when you can just read about it for yourself. There's no need for guesswork; it's all been fairly well-documented. May I recommend this book The Secret History of Star Wars, it really does a great job of telling the story. In short, Lucas' ideas on Star Wars have always been pretty uh "fluid".
Debating whether Star Wars was "fresh" at the time seems silly for a different reason. It's pretty obvious it was.
There are similarities with some of the cinematography at the very beginning, and yes there are two comic characters in each flick, but beyond that the similarities are pretty superficial.
fuck Avatard
I was thinking the same thing, but ultimately I think Cameron will cave in to studio pressure because it's such a massive success.
That make you forget the plot is basic. Avatar does not so please stop comparing it to star wars.
Yes, Star Wars was certainly fresh at the time. Hollywood was churning out mainly darker (but great!) fare, and the public longed for a huge spectacle mounted with panache, charm and, goddamnit, a fun spirit. People ate it up, and the story and had a great deal to do with, but mainly because the movie offered them a new experience. But that does not mean the story itself was fresh. The story was a classic one that people of all ages could respond to, forged in Lucas' imagination (I will never take that away from him), but with great, sometimes obvious, help from previous sources. The older audience for ANH surely remembered some of the influences on it, particularly The Searchers, Saturday matinees, Buck Rogers, etc. In fact, one of the reasons ANH appealed to older folks as well as kids and teens is precisely for the spirit of nostalgia it evokes, taking people back to the days of swashbuckling, rogue-ish heroes in Hollywood, when Errol Flynn and Clark Gable ruled the day.
And I suspect that's why Avatar is successful with all age groups. For kids who aren't really familiar with DWW, Last Samurai, Mohicans or Pocahontas, it IS fresh. For the older people eating it up, it's a classical, familiar story, but expertly and excitingly told in way they've never seen before, a way, in fact, they probably never could have imagined. I'm not trying to diminish the magic of ANH, or Star Wars, but it is foolhardy to deny that Avatar is having a similar effect in this day and age. Time will tell, and the sequels will help us determine that.
That's disheartening. If that's the case, let's just hope it's as good or better than the original. Hate to see Matrix Reloaded Redux.
Jan. 8, 2010, 12:49 p.m. CST
BSB: I'll wager my left nut that any and all Avatar sequels...
by HarryCalder
will be far better that the Matrix sequels... not that that would be difficult to do...
1- It shutted up the anti-Cameron fucks;

2- It teached the Jar Jar Abrams's cock-sucking fanboys what a REAL BOX OFFCIE sucess really looks like and shut them up.

3- It's making Michael Bay bleed from his ass in complete dispair that he didn't made the most sucessful movie of 2009.

Sometimes, life is good to us.
Coming up the the theaters in 20 years time. To be directed by the prefered docil hack of the moment.
Actually, it is. George Lucas says so himself. Right from the horse's mouth. You can't beat that.
...and here be an example.

http://tinyurl.com/64ygq9
more than once? Usually a movie needs a LOT of repeat business to do these kinds of numbers. But, the way Cameron (a genius at making his movies seem like MUST-SEES!!!) promoted this and the way the media ate it up, EVERYONE is seeing this one. I saw older people that don't usually go to movies at my screening. I also a couple packs of teenage girls. Two demographics I definitely didn't expect to see there. I think everyone wants to see this once and most people I've seen said they liked it, usually alot. I did, too. Like I said, for some reason, maybe the characters, maybe the too familiar story, I just don't feel the need to see it again. Alot of movies do that to me. Alot of movies I like. However, some movies I can just watch over and over again. I LOVED The Lord of the Rings, really liked Return of the King, bought the DVD, but I've only watched it once and always skip past it on TNT. Never feel like watching it. However, every time I see The Terminator, The Big Lebowski, or even something stupid like Summer School, for some reason I have to watch. Some movies just have that re-watchability factor that can't be explained. This movie didn't have that for me. I don't think I'll ever watch it on regular TV. Anyone else feel that way?
the original Matrix and Matrix Revolutions was just awful. All that fucking build-up and exposition in the first movie and continued in the second one, and the trilogy was reduced to just another stupid cliched action movie. Plus, since I've never watched it again, I still don't understand why or how Neo had powers in the real world...
Though not because I don't want to see it again. If I could schedule it I would see it again in a heartbeat. Shit's amazing.
The big mid-point fight with the unending stream of Agents was cool, as was the big car/bike/truck chase at the end... but really, the two sequels don't hold a candle to the first.!!!FACTOID!!!
I get what you mean. There are certain movies that are re-watch worthy in that sense, but I think they are different for everyone. I agree about Lebowski, Goodfellas is one of mine, but so are the LOTR movies. They're like The Godfather, so big and bounteous that you can just settle into them at any time. I can definitely see myself flipping on Avatar if it's on and nothing else is.
...ripped off all the ideas from The Invisibles and hadn't a fuckin clue what to do after they'd used up all of those concepts in the first film. Tis quite clear they weren't on the same level as the great Grant Morrison. They aped him alright for the set-up but they just couldn't pay it off IMHO.
Jan. 8, 2010, 1:15 p.m. CST
In fact, Avatar has me re-thinking my stance on Blu-Ray
by ColonelFatheart
I was going to wait out this Blu-Ray storm for HD on demand services to really take over, but man I'd love to be able to check out that Avatar Special Edition Blu-Ray whenever that comes out. I got the Watchment Ultimate Edition DVD for my birthday, and I'm feeling a pang of regret that I can't enjoy it with Blu-Ray.
Jan. 8, 2010, 1:17 p.m. CST
To me, though, the drop-off from what you see in IMAX or 3-D
by Coughlins Laws
is going to be SOOOO huge at home that I don't think that it will draw you in like that. However, in 3 or 4 years, I guess there are going to be a lot more high-def, and maybe even alot of 3-D Home Theatres. I don't know. I just don't see it...
...hence the deep Gnostic concepts about the nature of reality itself somehow morphing into warfare with mechanical squids.
because AVATAR struck me as being one of the most inherently racist movies I've seen in a while.
Before some of you start crying "FOUL", I mean that in an indirect way, not direct. It wasn't directly racist (after all, who is?) but it has some stereotypes/plot points that are inherently problematic.
check out this article:
http://io9.com/5422666/when-will-white-people-stop-making-movies-like-avatar
The numerous stereotypes in Avatar are something to keep in mind.
That is the one film I've seen that I would leave completely untouched; for me, it is perfect in its existing form. Not that it's the perfect movie, but for me, I love every goddamned second, every detail of that movie. Seen it literally over a dozen times and I'm still not even close to sick of it.
in combo with HD cable, never had any desire to get Blu-Ray. Now, though, Avatar will have me getting what I needs to get for the full experience at home. 58" 3D TV at a minimum.
getting heavy rotation on the iPod. Supremely rewatchable movies.
... and here's a good rebuttal to sentiments in that article, and others:

 http://theamericanscene.com/2010/01/06/avatar-offers-us-a-unique-world-where-we-can-reflect-on-the-inescapable-conflicts-man-always-has-and-always-will-face

"But James Cameron isn't portraying native people of our world. His alien protagonists aren't intended as stand-ins for the Navajos or the Aztecs or the Cherokee. In his different world, the native people really are in communion with nature. Were his purpose to comment on European history, this would be a terrible choice, but in fact Avatar is a film whose purpose is allowing humanity to reflect on its circumstances and fallen nature in a novel way. That is why I approve of the decision to portray the kinds of natives that were shown."

 Colonel again. I think that white people who fling around the "white guilt" criticism are often indulging in their own brand of white guilt.
Jan. 8, 2010, 1:32 p.m. CST
by BringingSexyBack
is the looks you get from people who catch the opening sequence on your iPod. I mean, I HAVE porn on the thing, but I don't play it with people around FFS.
Colored people can be fucking crazy. Not my fault.
Check out the calligraphy on that!
 Δ▼ΔTΔ®....Oh yeah, you know im bringing it.
doesn't know what a casualty is?
That's some fine work, for sure.
Can we borrow that?
He fucking rocked. Stephen Lang is a really scary dude.
...I go to bed, wake up, have a shitty day...I pop in and you guys are still running around with pointy birthday hats on...a welt from the elastic-under-the-chin-holder-thingie, and blue body-paint.
That makes me happy.
Avatar was fun. I saw it twice. Probably won't see it again until home release. It does not have great rewatchability for me. I only saw Titanic once. Both films pander a little too much to the masses for my tastes. As much of a visual spectacle as they are, I don't connect with the protagonists, so I'm not drawn to watching them over and over. I'd argue that is a main reason for rewatching a movie - the viewer's connection to the protagonist. The more you identify with, or pine to be, the protagonist, the more you'll want to take that journey with them. It acts as a kind of therapy for many people I suppose.
Rewatched Matrix on AMC recently. Edited for TV, sure, but still enjoyed it - hammy acting and all. It's a nice little ditty about believing in yourself. The other two were shit and I haven't bothered to watch either again. The Wachowski's definitely were at a loss as to what to do after the unexpected success of the first one. The poorest choice in those sequels was populating Zion full of douchey hipsters dancing to club music in slow-mo. This is who Neo is trying to save, who I'm supposed to be rooting for? Uh, I'd rather the machines win, thank you very much. Major fail.
Jan. 8, 2010, 1:45 p.m. CST
Hobo, even though you have hatred in your heart for me,
by Coughlins Laws
I still love you...
The issue of race I saw was this: you goto a new place, see people who act, speak, dress, and look completely different from you and appear to be "savages". Yet these people are just as intelligent as you but have different ways in the way they conduct their life and their society. You conclude: they are savage and using our technology we can subjugate them and use their resources. Hence, the issue of race in the movie, hence the issue in European colonialism of the Americas and Africa and elsewhere. FACT. That is, in part, how it all happened, especially the Americas.
Honestly, I read/skimmed through the article and I didn't like it. I get the ideas he was presenting but I found the article a little 'wordy.' There's a way it's written that's not entirely clear.
That aside, I simply don't agree with his points on the natives. Just because he can't see the correlation between the Na'vi and the natives of the world doesn't mean the correlation isn't there. Why don't we get the perspective of someone indigenous? I'm sure they'd have a different opinion.
People are not "Tabula Rasa". Cameron might not have intended for the aliens to be stand-ins for the Navajos, Aztecs, etc, but the reality is that moviegoers are already bringing those images/stereotypes to the theater from the get-go because they are embedded in mainstream culture. In fact, it's already embedded in Cameron's narrative unless he makes a CONSCIOUS plot decision to steer clear of those stereotypes, which he doesn't. Therefore, it's definitely unrealistic for some to say: "Don't look at them as real natives. They're not supposed to be."
Also, the Na'vi are not portrayed as a complex society because they aren't portrayed as individuals, which goes back to racism & stereotyping 101. Think about it. Do we know anything about the individual characters of the Na'vi? The girl (Neyitri?) is only there to serve as the guide for Jake, and then to fall in love with him. Any one else from the Na'vi worth talking about? The Na'vi are painted very much in broad strokes. Meanwhile, we get a little insight into the human/white characters, even if they are archetypes. We know their motivations and their reasoning, even for minor characters like Michelle Rodriguez.
Some of the scenes in Avatar (taming the 'untamable' bird, the mass of Na'vi drumming and swaying in front of a holy giant tree), are right out of Native/African stereotype 101.
There's a lot to say about this topic. I appreciate the discussion. Like I said earlier, the true test of 'is it stereotypical or not' is to ask the minority of people that may be referenced. Ask someone Native or African (who are aware of stereotyping and how it works) and then we can make a correct judgment.
Jan. 8, 2010, 1:55 p.m. CST
The only difference is, coprlhicks, is that in European
by Coughlins Laws
"colonialism", Native Americans and Africans were just as savage as the Europeans were. To say that there was no bloodshed and brutality from Indians to each other or African tribes to each other is just kind of silly. "White Europeans" weren't the first, or last, brutal people this Planet has seen throughout human history...
yes, the people of the Americas were brutal in many ways, were heathens/pagans compared with Europeans and yes did all the things you can imagine-- nevertheless, a people coming iwth big ships with guns overwhelming a people like that, and turning them into slaves, etc.. is subjugation. Not saying Europeans were "better" just that when they came across these people they could overwhelm they did, and they enslaved a good many of them, and basically much of their influence and activity lead to nothing short of genocide. Prime Directive works well-- leave people alone UNLESS they are directly threatening you.
Jan. 8, 2010, 1:59 p.m. CST
by BringingSexyBack
time. I'm just sick of hearing about how every other race of people were pristine throughout history, EXCEPT EVIL, WHITE EUROPEANS. There was slavery in Africa, Ancient Greece, China, all over the world, throughout much of mankinds history...
...talkbacking has ever lived in a building with a doorman...that's preposterous.
I don't necessarily agree with Friedersdorf assertion that the Na'Vi these aren't the specific people he references. Cameron is clearly influenced by the plight of various indigenous peoples. However, there isn't a one to one correlation. Maybe a Native American can look at this and feel they're being stereotyped, or maybe they can look at it and be glad there's another movie taking up their cause. People in China, as I've said before on here, are responding to the Na'vi's plight since they're being forced off their lands. Tribal dances, warpaint, Gaia-type religion. Yes, these are all stereotypes, but there is also a lot of truth in them.

 As for the Na'Vi having no real individual characterization beyond Neytiri and her mother, I think this is merely because of narrative expediency. It's important that Jake acts as the audience's avatar, so to speak. That he's white is incidental. I infer no motive from Cameron there. We're seeing the narrative unfold from the humans' point of view because we can relate to them. As Jake becomes more and more familiar with Na'Vi society, so do we, albeit it's mostly through Neytiri, admittedly. Again, though, this is because Jake, and therefore us, spend the bulk of our Na'Vi time with her.

 I do disagree with you on the complexity of Na'Vi society. They may not be as reliant on technology as the humans, but they don't have to be. Evolution on Pandora has clearly directed them in another route. Who needs computers when you can directly, biologically jack into nature itself? They have a fully articulated belief system as well as a complex language. They have a hierarchy, and they're clearly self-sufficient. They seem to be as sophisticated as they needed to be, at least until the Sky People arrived.

 This is one of the reasons, I believe, that Eywa singles out Jake. He has an open heart and mind AND signifies a turning point for life on the planet. He's the next step in evolution for them because he a.) his knowledge (and Grace's) prepares them better for defense against menacing forces in humanity and b.) broadens the Na'Vi understanding of humanity in positive lights, as well. Jake, in turn, "evolves" himself and possibly signifies the next step for both humanity and the Na'Vi for a harmonic convergence of the species.
And, yes, I do appreciate this kind of debate. It's healthy, and I'm glad you're being civil. For the record, I have read/heard responses to Avatar from people of various minority backgrounds. Some are put off, others aren't bothered for it. In this, I think Friedersdorf is right. The movie, with its relative simplicity, provides us a mirror to reflect on the fallen nature of humanity itself.
Cameron won't make that mistake. I guarantee there will be no Na'vi rave scene in Avatar 2.
Jan. 8, 2010, 2:26 p.m. CST
It's a testament to Avatar that it can inspire
by Turd_Has_Risen_From_The_Grave
in-depth conversations on politics, race, genocide, economics, science, history and mythology. What was there to say about this summer's crop of turkeys?
Though he's more of a concierge.
But he doesn't open the door for people when they buzz in. He gets to sit in a room with a comfy chair.
...house from the 1830's...I'm like a fucking villain from BRAVEHEART minus the gold and animal fur...so I guess you never know.
...you should really hire me to work on THE DAILY SHOW with you guys...you've seen my work...you know I'm up to it...
This will probably offend alot of people here as most here seem to ADORE Cameron unreservedly. It may be wrong to do so, but just from viewing many of the films he has directed I've always thought of Cameron as something of a "Closet Bigot". In almost none of his films does he ever portray black people in anything clearly indicative of a 'positive' character. In Aliens, the black soldiers were portrayed as foul-mouthed/minded lay-abouts without any merits beyond what you'd consider the most base characteristics of a soldier. Needless to say they both were summarily killed during the 1st quarter/third of the movie. In Terminator 2 via some odd and seemingly personal hidden logic of his, a successful black scientist is made to seem a thief and the killer of the future of mankind. Being assaulted and shot in the shoulder wasn't enough to pay for his crimes I guess, he had to blow himself up while the "principle" characters made good their escape. Now in Avatar, we see a few black characters on the side of the (evil) corporate engine, but none among the scientists (The one of Indian descent is not black as I'm sure every Indian person would agree and veheminently protest) or the "good-guys". There was a black women in the Abyss, but that's a woman as is the person who played Nety'ri. I wonder if any white females audtioned for the role of Nety'ri or did he/they pick Zoe specifically for the role? I wonder what qualities she possessed that they thought fit the character well? Are all Canadians as "seemingly" racist as this guy or is his contempt (Dislike even if that's too strong a word) of the black man just pretty obvious? Hang a crown on his head if you want, but the man, the story and the casual banal, "This is the way things are, but its not really bad", attitude of most people in the developed world are laughable. I also found it interesting that all the principle male Na'Vi (The leader and the head warrior/war-party leader) were killed in one way or another. Yes ColonelFatheart, its a simple film. It tells the same old story that everyone's seen in various places again and again. After having seen Avatar three times I'm still not sure if that's a good thing or a bad thing. If it opens up people's eyes to certain ongoing injustices then that may be a good thing. If not...well...hopefully people will start learning that some 'traditions' should be and must be let go or man will never see the possible future reality hidden by the fanciful, self-aggrandizing fluff that was presented via Avatar. I don't "hate" the movie Avatar necessarily, but I'm just finding alot of the *blind* and *rabid* enthusiasm for it and J.C. on the net mindboggling and a bit disgusting. Its only a movie. Wake up and smell the biscuits! Its not the second coming...hmm...or is it?
Coughlins Law, actually Star Wars was not called Episode IV until it was rereleased in 1978 after its first wildly successful run and we were assured of a sequel. It was at that point that "Episode IV" was added to the title crawl.
Regardless, its ridiculous to try to compare Avatar to Star Wars (favorably or not) at this point. Its just too soon. Those "guaranteeing" that it will be or wont be as influential as Star Wars are just talking out of their ass. You think anyone thought SW was going to be as big as it is now way back in 1977? Or even in 1980? I saw it theatrically in 1977 and I certainly didnt think so. No way of predicting something like that. Give Avatar a decade (or two) and then revisit the subject if you want but until then, its all theoretical bullshit.
Now, with that said, I love both Avatar and the original SW trilogy. Why do I have to pick one as being better or worse? Cant we like it all?
 And Jesus, some of you haters just want to nitpick things to death or to categorize everything into nice little boxes you can label. Now, I love discussing Avatar but why do so many of you have to be so pissy about it? Is it just the nature of talkbacks that you have to get your hackles up when someone disagrees with your opinion. I am fine with you not liking it. How come you have to keep saying so though? Why do people that dont like Avatar even keep posting here and other similar talkbacks, there are tons of movies I dont like but I sure as hell dont spend time on their talkbacks beating on said movie. I just dont get it.
Shit, how can anyone hate Avatar's success anyway? Even if you despise the story, you should at least be happy that its success will lead to more science fiction movies getting made. Yes, some will suck hard, but if you throw enough ideas at the wall, some will stick. Hopefully we will see some of the classic under-appreciated sci fi classic novels get optioned. I LOVE sci fi and we are already seeing an uptick in great sci fi. Last year we got Moon, District 9 and Avatar. Now, after Avatar's success, studios will be climbing over each other to get on the sci fi bandwagon. Guess who wins? Sci fi fans. If it means we have to skip on seeing a few of the shit burger sci fi copy cats that will come, who cares? Doesnt cost me a dime if a studio produces a one hundred million dollar turd.
Okay, done preaching. Just odd seeing so much hate here. Not surprised there is hate for the movie, just that the haters feel the need to keep talking about their hate. I despised that giant robot testicle knocking turd that was Transformers 2 but I felt no driving desire to spend any time in its talkbacks when it came out. So odd.
Whether you love or hate Avatar, you have to admit that its been a long time since a big budget sci fi movie encouraged this much debate.
...if you were saying that Cameron tends to put people of color in the noble sidekick role...the endearing badass who dies nobly while saving the true white night we're all supposed to identify with...
You feel that strongly about Cameron being racist yet you have seen Avatar 3 times already? Huh?
but at the end of the day,the fact remains that Avatar has told an unoriginal story in a very original way.You can keep shouting,insulting and trolling though,since you do make a good laugh like that,i really love it.
oh and another fact haters:
AVATAR NO2 ALL TIME WORLD WIDE BOXOFFICE
cheerio
you hear that? its me scratching my nuts,when i read stupid things from idiots like you.
in other news,according to the ape-men, Princess and the Frog is also a racist movie.yes.very racist.
In a more serious note:
This world is really fucked up right? i mean,not because of us destroying our planet or because of killing each other,but because common sense and logic,intellect and thinking seems a rarity in these days.we are doomed,thats it,game over man,game over.
Jan. 8, 2010, 3:40 p.m. CST
Naxusprop - that will certainly offend a lot of people here
by Turd_Has_Risen_From_The_Grave
Not because they adore Cameron, but simply because that was one of the most blatantly ignorant things I've ever read on this site. If anything is disgusting, it isn't Avatar love but your offensive little diatribe. You clearly have a lot of issues and axes to grind (I'm sure you're blind to the irony of your casual prejudice towards Canadians as well).
 Let's see - Cameron portrays black soldiers as foul-mouthed and incompetent in Aliens? Any diference between any of the other soldiers portrayed in Aliens. yet somehow you single them out and laughably insinuate that because they died early, Cameron must be a racist. Happen to miss the fact that Apone was the highest ranked member of the squad? No, because it doesn't fit your contrived agenda.
T2 - Cameron can't win, can he? He portrays the black character in a very non-stereotypical role - a genius, upper middle class scientist with a stable and ordinary home life, but he must be racist because Dyson is responsible for Skynet?

either he is a troll or an ignorant cunt.either way,he doesnt deserve much attention.
Yes, I will be seeing it again this weekend and bringing along my brother and his girlfriend who have not seen it yet.
 Cha-Ching...James Cameron!
Traxler in T1 - the only really sympathetic character to Sarah and Reese's plight, not to mention chief of police. Angela Basset's character in Strange Days - strong black female character and inter-racial love affair. The black women in The Abyss - an inverted stereotype. Hmm, I guess Cameron must be racist because there were no blacks on the Titanic, too? That's not even to get into the numerous characters of other races in his movies. Cameron has always had fair play for races and genders in his movies.
Some of you bastards will do anything for attention. Cameron gets pilloried by the right wingers for his supposed 'anti-american' and 'white guilt' sentiments, then on the other hand, scum like you decide to read into things that aren't even there make ignorant assumptions and insinuations, and try to attack him the opposite way. It's all a thinly disguised and abhorrent agenda. As I've said before, and as others have also noted, Avatar really has brought some of the very worst racists, right wing fundamentalists, greedy capitalists, xenophobes and facists out of the closet. I've never seen such agenda-driven attacks of this sort for any other movie ever discussed on this site. This movie should be applauded for exposing these individuals' true colors, regardless of the quality of the film itself.
I really don't why I'm even dignifying your vile post with a reply. You're a fucking idiot, plain and simple. Not even a joke type of idiot, good for a laugh, like some of the trolls who frequent here, but a dangerous one. And dare I say it - you, yourself, are a blatant racist and an attention seeker. Just fuck off.
God, er, Cameron bless you.
the top 10 in US 380 million.
Jan. 8, 2010, 4:34 p.m. CST
I WANT BATTLE ANGEL Alita...Forget Avatar 2, Revenge of the Stor
by Boober
GLossy, high-tech production porn still needs to be secondary to the story or it's simply aXXXatar.
From a WSJ blog: "For the 3-D version of "Avatar," ticket prices varied for different theaters and time slots, ranging from CNY60 to CNY120. Meanwhile, illegal tickets traders asked as much as CNY600 for the IMAX version in Shanghai. The Peace Cinema is planning to raise the ticket price for the IMAX version to as much as CNY200 from the current CNY150 starting Jan. 14 for some time slots."

 http://blogs.wsj.com/chinarealtime/2010/01/08/avatar-mania-hits-china/
"In Shanghai, to get an IMAX ticket for Avatar can mean waiting in freezing weather all night for a show three days later. Shanghai local media reported that on Friday, around 500 people were queuing for tickets at 8 a.m. in front of the downtown Peace Cinema, including some who had waited for 12 hours. Movie fans came equipped with quilts, wooden stools and snacks, in a scene reminiscent of that at train-station ticket windows before the Lunar New Year holidays in China, when huge numbers of Chinese travel to be with family."

 http://blogs.wsj.com/chinarealtime/2010/01/08/avatar-mania-hits-china/
That's outrageous!!!!
Am I the only one who thought the special effects were great but the story was weak in Avatar? The special effects may have been new but the story was old (in a bad way). I hope in the second (and third one) the story is better written and doesn't have so many gaping holes and stereotypes. I didn't hate Avatar but its not something I'll watch again (unless it was free).
Even if you don't agree with his comments, his sentences are too cohesive to be trollish.
It's unfortunate, but as Nalo Hopkinson quite famously put it:
"In the US, to talk about race is to be seen as racist. You become the problem because you bring up the problem. So you find people who are hesitant to talk about it."
For example, I bring up stereotyping issues in Avatar, and all of a sudden I'm the stereotyper? lmao. How does that work? Is that not a twisted ad hominem thing?
Am I the only one that's heard that "thought" a billion fuckin times already? Seriously, all you guys talk about originality like its sooo goddamned important, yet you continue to SAY THE SAME THINGS OVER AND OVER. What gives? Do you feel that you might express the idea more astutely than others, or are you people holding AVATAR to a standard which you can't/won't hold up to your own fuckin selves?
You're generally right on the money. But don't portray Avatar as some weighty, moral, political statement against "... racists, right wing fundamentalists, greedy capitalists, xenophobes and facists". Or some commentary on the Iraq war.
 It's a good vs. evil story pure and simple. Sure Cameron throws in his 'shock and awe' lines etc. but he's smart enough to know not to make this into Lions And Lambs or some such bullshit.
 This whole inference of "my political party is noble and just and the opposition is is scum and villany" is just plain tired man.
 Not a bitch or anything, just a comment. Other than that...spot on.
...but that "originality" attack is getting kinda boring for fucks sake. Let me guess, kinda like the Costner flick right? Was that your own idea or just something you've heard already? Or are you expressing what you feel to be a latent truth? Do you see the irony of this situation, or do I have to point it out for you?

Bravo to Winona for at least having a distinct approach.
When you're right. Avatar was unoriginal (there are several movies that do the EXACT same thing Avatar does), the characters were weak, it was too long and drawn out, AND it was totally unimaginative (the fucking movie had Alien horses, tigers, and wolves. It didn't even try to disguise it) Brilliant work JC.
Jan. 8, 2010, 7:12 p.m. CST
It's not just that the story was unoriginal.
by WINONA_RYDERS_PUSSY_JUICE
The dialogue was cliche ridden and cringe, well in my case nausea-inducing too. Did I mention there was only 1 good character with a nice acting performance and that she was a blue thundersmurf? Seriously, fuck Avatar, make Battle Angel, please, I'm begging.
Btw did you realize there are also thousands of posts across the internets saying the same damn thing as you. I'm not hating either, I'm as bored with your opinions as you guys are with the film. So when I say your shit is weak, you know I'm right as well.
Better get that looked at man. Ever heard of that L. Ron Hubbard guy? He apparently discovered certain key words and phrases that will fuck someone up, but he refused to publish them. So maybe Scientology could help.
Jan. 8, 2010, 7:30 p.m. CST
DoctorWho?, I never said that Avatar was any such thing
by Turd_Has_Risen_From_The_Grave
You are correct that the movie isn't a specific polemic or allegory, and is certainly a much broader piece of work than that. Who would want to see such pedantic tub-thumping? This isn't Michael Moore's Avatar; it's a piece of entertainment with some relevant themes behind it. What I said was that the movie seems to have brought these types of people out of the woodwork - and the evidence is there if you pull up many of the past talkbacks for Avatar.
As for myself, I am largely centrist, and deplore either extreme left or right wing views, so it isn't really a case of 'my party against yours'. I just despise these largely hyberolic and hysterical political and racial views, under the guise of 'fair' criticm of Avatar, and I think anybody with a modicum of common sense does, too.
I made an account here just to post this. But no, that's not the confession. I've seen tons of movies, like you all have, in my life. Probably too many. I've always been a fan of J.C. I knew when I sat down in the theater for the first time that I'd think Avatar was gonna be awesome. I just had a gut-feeling. The story was great. It was predictable as all hell...but guess what!? I loved it. I could see it coming while watching the film. I could see, oh you know, the impending inner conflict that Jake would face (side with these guys, or side with THESE guys?). Big bad Earth Corp. vs. Peace-loving Naturistic Beings. "I'll learn your people's ways and grow to love them. I might even switch sides and turn my back on those who sent me." Like we've said, it's been done how many times? Dances With Wolves? The Last Samurai? And yet I couldn't help myself. I ate that shit up. I saw most of those elements coming, (okay, all of 'em), and didn't care. I loved it. It pleased me, I'll be damned. I mean, I couldn't help it. I saw that big clash coming at the end just like everyone else, and I couldn't wait to see it erupt. I'm a writer, well...I will be, someday. But I've exposed myself to a lot of stories and genres, whether it be books, television, movies, comics, writings and storytelling by others (in person. Picture sitting around a campfire...only not.) Let me say this. In all I've come across, I'm finding it's getting more and more difficult to be unique. Most ideas I've had, there's already been a form like it, or someone else has dabbled w/ something that is SOMEHOW related to it. War, love, family drama, forbidden romance, adventure, exploration, futuristic, past, alternate universes, cloak & dagger, betrayal, friendship, fables, lessons and messages...you can come up with nearly any idea of how Cameron could do Avatar 2, and I can almost guarantee that no matter what he does, we can all trace back through older films and stories of all kinds, and find works with similar elements. Everyone has their rights as a viewer. Love it, hate it, like it, shun it, whatever. The man had a story to tell and we were all privileged to see it. Whether it's Avatar, Aliens, Mission Impossible, The Hangover, Knocked Up, Lord of the Rings, Atonement, whatever...these stories all come from others' minds. We all have the privilege of seeing them, of letting the writers/directors (whoever) share their stories with us. We're free to like or dislike them. Amazing visuals aside, Avatar was a very unique, rightfully simple telling of a familiar story with some important, familiar and timeless lessons wrapped up in its midst. I loved it, and that's how I chose to view Cameron's tale. I personally think Avatar could be okay without any sequels, but unlike MOST people planning for continuation(s), I trust Cameron. If you're still readin' this, I'm done. I've droned on long enough, but I hope some of you will think about this! Please take care.
That's a big-ass jumble of words up there. Didn't look like that when I submitted it.
...I get where you're coming from. You've made some good points regardless. Just put
 with no spaces and you've got a paragraph.
you sir, are a tool.
...I can't say that bothers me.
Jan. 8, 2010, 7:48 p.m. CST
I got a question for you Cameron felatiators
by WINONA_RYDERS_PUSSY_JUICE
Where can I get a James Cameron autographed Avatar pair of pink undies? You get them on Ebay? Or how?
...on the blink. You better get that looked at...you won't survive five minutes around here.
You're a sitting duck.
...your own ankles for the pink pantys. Not sure how you can get Jim to sign them though, as he's busy fucking you in the ass right now. Maybe he'll be sweet and cuddle with you later. Ask him then.
...I'll see if I can fix the damned thing.
is having a gay James Cameron sodomizing you. That's the only logical explanation for that post. Noted. Umpire likes it in the ass.
I'm with ya on people picking on the story being unoriginal. I posted awhile back in another talkback that all stories are derivative...of Gilgamesh. Now that's not entirely true, but the point I was getting at was that no story is truly original. In fact, every story is essentially the same at its core - there is a protagonist who, by the end of the story, goes through some kind of change. The change can be very subtle, or very extreme, or any degree inbetween. How that story is told is where originality comes into play. I find the whole "it's unoriginal" argument to be a moot point unless what is occurring is blatant plagiarism, and not a case of an artist making something their own.
Having said all that, I am not an Avatar lover. I saw the movie twice, happy to see Cameron back in the saddle. I had no problem with the plot per se, I appreciate the message Cameron is conveying, and have nothing but awe for what he achieved in terms of sheer cinematic spectacle here, but I won't be revisiting this film again because the characters weren't memorable, or vividly drawn, like in previous Cameron works. I wasn't rooting for anyone, or booing anyone. That bit of Cameron spice was what was missing in Avatar. Ribisi's Selfridge wasn't such a bad guy. Reiser's Burke on the other hand...
The "every story is essentially the same at its core - there is a protagonist who, by the end of the story, goes through some kind of change" is the same as saying a story is a story. There is no grand point there. And honestly, that POV is incredibly limiting and mediocre.
That's like me saying that all food is basically stuff you chew on and ingest, and therefore that's good enough. It's all the same. See how retarded that sounds, when there are clearly many types of food with tastes and expertise involved?
Stories evolve with society. We've been alive for thousands of years and still going, yet you mean to tell me we've been telling the exact same stories as Gilgamesh (which wasn't even the first story to begin with) Nothing ever changes? So we're on Gilgamesh pt 1 million?
I'd like a big order of GET THE FUCK OUTTA HERE.
That's what I don't understand.
I don't know if the problem with the story is originality , for me its not how original the story/writing it , but how it's told ,I always feel these films are so male , its all about the "technicality" , and not about what might make a person relate to it as a human , that for me is why so much science-fiction in film is cold. If you look at something like "Mad Men" , the "Technicality" of how it's made as a period drama is perfect, and it kicks me in the guts when I watch it . Most big budget science fiction just bore's me , because its all style and no substance. Saying that, I love James Cameron (he's a film God), and will defiantly go see this with my fingers crossed....
That Cameron gets his revenge and proves he knows what sells to his naysayers.
I enjoyed it probably the least of any CAMERON film, and I have loved his movies like few others. Good movie but just didnt really engage me like his others. But still, a much better movie than most of the crap at the theater.
AVATAR II will blow AVATAR out of the water if he makes it.
Jan. 9, 2010, 1:13 a.m. CST
The Naa'vi will eventually be conquered by Humans
by Rene_Belloq_12inch_Figure
Its just a sad historical fact.
on Cameron's track record with sequals, I fully expect Avatar 2 to blow Avatar away....
many reason why I am happy to see Avatar destroy b.o records and become the biggest fil after Titanic
s him waste hours of his pathetic life posting endless repeats of the same shit about a film he hates. Cant wait for sequals so it can drive him mental and send him into even bigger fits of ranting and raving.
iams, nerdrage, transformersapologist, et al. Who spammed talkbacks for months declaring this film a major financial disaster. We can only hope that the monster success of this film has caused them so much agony that they were forced to slit their wrists.
film (and the success of the excellent District 9) like Avatar should now mean we will be getting a lot of big sci-fi films greenlit (and if you are as big a sci-fi fan as me,this is awsome). And maybe the studios will be more willing now to take more risks, try some original stuff, and stop the endess remakes/reboots/prequals etc...
utter fuck you power. The money and freedom to make and do whatever the hell he wants. He can spend anything he wants on a sci-fi film. And that means he can really push with Avatar sequals, try anything he wants....
And Zwick is an awesome director.
Nothing else matters! Fuck yeah, I'm back, buddies!!!
At the Avavtar screening at Skywalker Ranch Thursday night Cameron mentioned Titanic 3D coming in 2012, Avatar 2 and also Battle Angel all in the works. Great Q&A for about an hour, and George was on hand to introduce him. The movie did not dissapoint and was an enjoyable ride. Cameron mentioned Ferngully directly, hippy tree hugging material, and native Americans were all part of the make up of the film, as was the Bush war agenda. Fun night out. Variety have done an excellent job this season with the directors series. Tonight was the last in the series with Up In The Air at ILM, with Jason Reitman and Anna Kendric.
Cameron is like those oil tycoons of old who struke a sea of oil underneath and is now awashed in money and glory, he owns the asses of the corporation shareholders, and the world is now his oyster. There will be sequels, and they will be done his way, for good or ill. Me, i'll have a blast watching the circus show.
I'm hardly this movie's groupie, but i love to see the Cameron haters getting their ass rape. Hillarious!
You must feel so vindicated.
is a lot of fun isnt it? Any luck finding Private Eye? Have you seen Thirst yet Asimov? Awsome Korean vampire film...
Can't wait to watch THIRST. But it only gets a theatrical release here next month. And the suprising thing is that it does get a theatrical release. To the best of my recall, only two korean movies got general theatrical releases outside fo the art-house circuit here, OLDBOY and THE HOST. And i'm not even sure about OLDBOY. I would murder Jar Jar Abrams for free to get an oportunity to watch OLDBOY in a theater screen.
some time Asimov. Its damn good, it seems kinda uninteresting at first, and a bit of a letdown, but then the film just changes gears and becomes really cool. You will like it I think...
Daniel 8:23-25 (New International Version)
 23-"In the latter part of their reign (star wars fans), when rebels have become completely wicked, a stern-faced king (Cameron), a master of intrigue, will arise. 24-He will become very strong, but not by his own power (with the help of some blue friends). He will cause astounding devastation and will succeed in whatever he does. He will destroy the mighty men (Spielberg, Zemeckis) and the holy people (SW fans). 25-He will cause deceit to prosper, and he will consider himself superior. When they feel secure, he will destroy many and take his stand against the Prince of princes(Lucas). Yet he will be destroyed, but not by human power.
te haters actually believing that stuff.....
...this information is too important, I can't risk people not seeing it due to lazy typing...
Daniel 8:23-25 (New International Version)
 23-"In the latter part of their reign (star wars fans), when rebels have become completely wicked, a stern-faced king (Cameron), a master of intrigue, will arise.
 24-He will become very strong, but not by his own power (with the help of some blue friends). He will cause astounding devastation and will succeed in whatever he does. He will destroy the mighty men (Spielberg, Zemeckis) and the holy people (SW fans).
 25-He will cause deceit to prosper, and he will consider himself superior. When they feel secure, he will destroy many and take his stand against the Prince of princes(Lucas). Yet he will be destroyed, but not by human power.
Fucking assholes like Bay and Mcg since the 80s
Yeah, I knew about all the extra footage that didn't make it in the film. I had seen before I even posted that. And I can't wait to see it all in the inevitable director's cut :)
 As for the sequel, given Cameron's track record with sequels, and overall his awesome skills as a storyteller, I'm sure Avatwo (or Avatar 2, whatever you wanna call it) will be better than the first one. The 1st film used the simple story and relied a LOT on the visuals to attract the audience. Now that the franchise has established its foothold amongst the most successful films in history, the sequel can abandon some of that simplicity and give us a more complex and compelling story. BRING IT ON, Mr. CAMERON!
Maybe she can hire... the A-Twomb
Really excited about Aviator II. I think it's great Martin Scorsese is finally making the sequel to Howard the Duck.
Has to be the most eagerly awaited of this years Avian sequels.
Jan. 9, 2010, 4:13 p.m. CST
Is it true Ridley Scott is planning to reboot the whole Avian fr
by rosasaks
http://tinyurl.com/yc64r2z Check out that line lol.
Tell me Haters, how could a billion Chinese people be wrong?
Sure, he's flush with success now, but I hear the third film really goes down the drain...
He's JC alright!
So he can fed the haters. He will expand the crow farm for the sequel.
Haters take their vitamins from eating crow.
It's served with a nice bottle of Eau De Pisser with a guarnition made of Tarte de Humble and Fromage Lait de Boeuf. Haters get discount.
since I saw Avatar and it shut me the fuck up.
Better yet Avaptarmigan - and leave the Willow Grouse for Joss Whedon or George Lucas you fat fucks.
Every story does have a protagonist that goes through some kind of change. "How that story is told is where originality comes into play" is the grand point I was making, and it consequently implies the evolution of which you spoke. I never said all stories are exactly the same. Learn to read, or GET THE FUCK OUTTA HERE.
That was an awesome movie. I went not knowing much about it, and was blown away. They've come a long way with CG characters since Jar Jar Binks.
Just amazed at the amount of detail on Pandora, and how it really is fleshed out as a real world. I had no problems with Jake, thought was was good. Neytiri was awesome as was her tribe.
 Can't wait to visit again.
going to make a killing in China....
the sexiest tomboy beanpole on Pandora
...in the 21st century. 22 - Jackals gather at the watering hole. Hubris spreads like fire in a mirror from one side of the trees... Laugher echoes through the forest as they say The great beast cannot and the illusion of the fire burns at 180 degrees.
 23 - On the eve of the arrival, Prognosticating saps the gold from the chest. They see a red line on a spreadsheet and the scattering of the herds to other motion pictures. Then the ground swelled and shook until it became jell-o.
 24 - Finally, on the morning of 7th day following the prognosticators fortnight, the beast stedpped from the floating mountain. The Jackals asses bled into the pool of their sorrows. The beast clutched the gold of the continents as he bludgeoned the jackals' anuses. Then, the blue fell beasts that walked upright 'fisted' the jackals' because it was the beasts pleasure for them to do so

in other media to expand this universe. Imagine how huge Avatar 2 will be, it will break all b.o records. Cameron has succeded in creating the next huge sci-fi franchise. The haters can go crawl into a foetal position and cry themselves to sleep, because we wil get lots more Avatar. And hopefully Battle Angel Alita!
Jan. 9, 2010, 10:51 p.m. CST
southafricanguy, have you read the full shooting script for Avat
by Turd_Has_Risen_From_The_Grave
And what did you think? Granted, this script itself seems to have been altered somewhat - case in point, the bar scene seen in the trailer has different dialogue with the two suits talking - but it does contain some good scenes that weren't included in the final cut.
available. I would really like to read it though to see the differences, and to see what was all cut. Do you have it Turd? Could you send it to me, or point me in the right direction?
Jan. 10, 2010, 1:25 a.m. CST
Avatar breaks more records... the girl who wont stop squirting
by Colt19801980
4th consecutive weekend at #1 with $50 million (beating Titanic's record), which means $600 million domestic is a lock, beating Titanic!!!!!! Holy fucking shit.
Gone With The Wind is the target to aim at domestically - look at ticket sales not revenue.
 What's hilarious is once they stop crowing about all these box office records, the accountants are going to have a conniption finding new ways to claim that Avatar lost money, so they won't be paying anyone. Well gee, we made two billion dollars but by the time we paid James Cameron three billion dollars, we didn't make a profit. Sorry Mr Tax Man. Yes your honour, that was a legitimate production cost, honest. Jesus. Why aren't all those Hollywood gangsters in jail for fraud?
Most inflation charts only include domestic. It's probably over $800 million overseas by now.
Did he sell his poster?
Once you factor in Hollywood accounting, the most successful film of all-time is City Slickers II: The Legend of Curly's Gold.
That's the most bizarre thing i heard in my whole live. Thus, probably it's true.
Jan. 10, 2010, 7:13 a.m. CST
I think Jim's gonna give us the greatest sci-fi trilogy ever ...
by NomoredirtyjokespleaseweareYanks
If I were the religious type, I would pray to the Almighty James Cameron...
 Am now up to my sixth viewing equalling Bram Stokers Dracula. I can feel at least three more coming, at least... Who new Cameron was going to impale old Vlad's record up the ass and out the mouth?
A big-ass human invasion fleet shows up, prepared to retake Pandora with waves of unstoppable killing machines and tons of destructive ordinance...and then they are defeated by thousands of indiginous wildlife with the aid of the beautiful (but endangered!) "space whales" that come up from the gas giant's atmosphere to kill the humans besieging Pandora. There you have it.
It's heartening for me to read about Avatar's blockbuster success. The nitpickers and doomsayers on these AICN boards were wearing me out with their small-mindedness. I'm glad they've all been proven wrong.
 As for Avatar 2, I'm for it. Why not? There's a lot of room for examinations of Cameron's future reality on Pandora and elsewhere. Plus, the man just knows how to tell a story. If the screenplay works for him, I trust he'll turn it into an ass-kickingly timeless film.
 It'll be exciting to see where he takes it.
...doesn't count"...whatever, my provincial xenophobic friends...how about the fact that AVATAR is easily the most popular thing on Planet Earth right now? I'm too lazy to look up numbers, but it's got to be the most successful essentially simultaneous worldwide release ever.
More proof that Cameron is The Antichrist of course, but still fucking cool.
AVATAR is the real equivalent of the tacked on galactic party at the end of RETURN OF THE JEDI.
Hail to the MOTHERFUCKING king baby! http://tinyurl.com/y8r9hy7
I love ALIENS. LOVE IT. It's in my top ten favorite movies of all time. That said, I HATED T2, True Lies, and Titanic. AVATAR brought me back to the love I had to the guy when he made TERMINATOR and ALIENS. I can't wait for the sequel, and I hope it too makes a bazillion dollars.

Oh, btw, any backlash from the geek set is largely Cameron's fault as he is kind of an egotistical prick. Nobody likes a blowhard. I'm just surprised that this time, the hype was more than deserved. Again, can't wait for part 2.
...In addition to global champ. It overtook TF2 this morning with $429 million to TF2's $402.
 Currently #2 of all time worldwide, seems certain to (at least) attain that position domestically.
 Cameron should think seriously about launching his own studio...his level of market credibility would easily find financial backing, and he would be able to farm out some of his backlog to other, worthy directors.
TDK's domestic record.it needs 100m and i dont believe it will manage to get them.anyway.
It's already beat TDKs domestic record by $27 million and its only 4 weeks in. If you can't keep up with the conversation...well just try and keep up.
disregard my last post, i was talking about 2009 grosses! Anyway, it will beat TDK domestically based on the percentages its been dropping...600 million is a lock dude at this point.
beating star wars at $460 million...after that it only needs $73 million to beat TDK, which is pretty much a lock since its playing through March.
Jan. 10, 2010, 2:27 p.m. CST
Avatar is tracking much better than TDK during the same time per
by Colt19801980
In its 4th weekend, The Dark Knight made $26 million for a $441 million total. It went on to make another $92 million after its 4th weekend. That's 3.5 times what it made in its 4th weekend. In its 4th weekend, Avatar is predicted to make around $45 million, for a total of around $425 million. Even if Avatar only makes 2.5 times its 4th weekend, it's final total will be $537 million. After their comparitive 2nd weekends, Avatar trailed Dark Knight by $101 million ($313 million to $212 million). After each movie's 3rd weekend, Avatar was $41 million behind ($393 million to $352 million). After this 4th weekend, Avatar will trail by only $16 million or so (The Dark Knight had $441 million and Avatar will have around $425 million). Actually, Avatar will be outpacing The Dark Knight by the end of their respective 5th weekends. If the trend continues for Avatar, it's total after 5 weekends will be around $475 million. The Dark Knight's total after 5 weekends was $471 million.
Jan. 10, 2010, 3:11 p.m. CST
Forget TDK, Avatar has a chance at eclipsing Titanic
by ColonelFatheart
domestically. I think it's going to do it worldwide, too. The movie continues to defy expectations.
but imagine if it did.Cameron would have broken his own record !!
Similar to what folks on here have been saying: http://tinyurl.com/yaqs2bo
Jan. 10, 2010, 3:48 p.m. CST
Cameron must be rolling in money right now
by Turd_Has_Risen_From_The_Grave
and bathing in champagne. Absolutely magnificent. And I'm so glad that Avatar has trumped that piece of shit Transformers 2 at the box office - Bay's only achievement (a monetary one) has been snatched away from him.
Can't wait until Cameron announces his next film.
Just kidding. I liked this movie, with emphasis on "LIKE", and that was ENTIRELY because of the new CG and some of the 3D. Without those two components, this film doesn't really offer anything new. How much originality are we expecting from a sequel? I mean, we've already SEEN the cool CG and 3D, so if we get some other generic sequel (if the original is any indication, we probably will) then I wish they had just left well enough alone.

 "I cant stop thinking about all the things that happened in the film and all of the tears and shivers i got from it. I even contemplate suicide thinking that if i do it i will be re birthed in a world similar to Pandora and the everything is the same as in Avatar.."
 "I've had the exact same feeling after I first saw Avatar- the sick realization that Pandora isn't real- and trying anything to just escape this reality and live there instead, even trying to put myself into a coma so my dream world would be Pandora."
 "My urge to be a Na'vi is probably the strongest thing I have ever felt, and also the reality that it will likely never happen. Of course being able to link up with nature, or fly on your own personal dragon-bird is cool, but I want to be a Na'vi for more than that. I've pretty much given up all hope in the human race…"
 "The only reason it is so easy to be that way on Pandora is because of the tsahaylu that Eywa provides to all creatures. (And even there you still have to watch out for the viperwolves)."
 "Im pretty sure we all have felt like this too. After all, we destroyed earth."
 "Start living like Neytiri: in touch with nature, the environment, and not being greedy and wasteful."
 "…Be courageous like Jake, and jump on the leonopteryx."
 "What will our money buy, when everything that is worth having is destroyed? The only way you can fill the emptiness you feel after this movie, is to jump on the leonopteryx."

AVATAR: Domestic: $429,040,000 (32.2%) + Foreign: $902,100,000 (67.8%) = Worldwide: $1,331,140,000 -- TITANIC: Domestic: $600,788,188 (32.6%) + Foreign: $1,242,091,767 (67.4%) = Worldwide: $1,842,879,955 -- DARK KNIGHT: Domestic: $533,345,358 (53.2%) + Foreign: $468,576,467 (46.8%) = Worldwide: $1,001,921,825
your ass continues to be raped by Big Jim's blue Avatar cock. suck it, hater. suck it with an extra huge heaping spoon of TOTAL FUCKING DESTRUCTION.
how does it feel to look like the biggest idiot on the aicn talkbacks? So it was going to be a huge bomb was it? Do you have to cry yourself to sleep at night to cope with how wrong you have been proven you dumb fuckshit?
some more good laughs. Please bestow more of your "wisdom" on us.....You have been 100% pawned..bwhahahahaahah
Just came out of 2nd viewing. I did get a little sick from 3 hours of 3d. Maybe that's something to get used to maybe? Great movie however. I want to see it in 2d however.
doing huge in China. There will be sequals, and lots of related media products to expand the universe. Lots of Avatar to piss you off, and drive you into more idiotic rants, suck on it dickhead....
It looks so good on my TV, so insanely real. I hope this gets an epic DVD/blu ray set, like Blade Runner, LOTR, Watchmen, etc.
Dude, just stay down.
got stupid? Please utter more imbecellic rantings, please predict more things. Let us all see how much more WRONG WRONG WRONG you were.....
, yeah what an epic failure. I guess Cameron's career is in the toilets now.....tell me Quick Transformers apologist, what are the winning lottery numbers going to be? Who will win the Soccer world cup this year? We NEED your insights man....
on steroids.
...of this singularly monumental case of hate-fail is that it's happened so quickly. Sure, Avatar could have raked up the numbers over a long period of time, during which the haters' names would have been forgotten and the pwnage diluted to a vague "those dumb fucks" when referring to them. However, since Cameron has donkeypunched themn so ferociously and quickly, we not only can say "those dumb fucks", but actually attach names to them--resulting in much well-deserved humiliation for them and hilarity for the rest of us.
 Good times, good times...
Jan. 11, 2010, 7:23 a.m. CST
Ahhhhhhhh... the satisfaction. 1.3 billion and counting
by NomoredirtyjokespleaseweareYanks
Now I soughta wish old Nerd Rage was here to cop a few bullets. I seem to remember that douche saying it wouldn't get 100 mil domestic...
 TransformerAplogist just forgot to take his med's for a couple of months guys, take it easy on him, he's clearly troubled.
 Forget the trolls, just bask in the glory that is what we hoped. James Cameron is Back!
Jan. 11, 2010, 7:57 a.m. CST
Why I love James Cameron...Let me count the ways ....
by NomoredirtyjokespleaseweareYanks
The Terminator.
 I could go on about this forever... My first Arnie flick, first introduction to both sci-fi and noir. My first Micheal Bien film. It's Cameron's most tightly plotted film, it works like a thriller yet has a powerful romance in the middle of utter carnage. Not to mention the beautiful mind fuck with Kyle being the father of our savior. Last but not least it was my first James Cameron film... I could really go on and on about this one.
 Aliens.
 You know as much as it kills me to say this.....Fuck Godfather 2 and The Empire Strikes Back.
 James Cameron created the greatest sequel mankind has ever known(though I do love The Color of Money). It is the template for what a sequel should do. It pushes the limits in action and suspence whilst building the myth of the iconic character to an epic level. I am an Alien freak. I own a copy of the making of Alien, it's a great piece of history, and I know how they originally planned for the Alien culture to be... primitive and primal. James Cameron improved on that. He turned them into the most all consuming evil ever witnessed and cemented the Aliens place in hollywood history.
 You could easily make the argument though with AVP 1 and 2...it could be to it's detriment? But you can't blaim that on Cameron. Just Hollywoods bullshit.
 The Abyss
 One of my favorite movie going experiences ever. My first Cameron film on the big screen, it took my breath away. I was already a fan, knew his name at 10 and was 12 when this came out but the sheer scope just was fucking bugnuts. The seriousness that was throughout every part welded to my core. There was no bad one-liners, it all felt real... Whoooo...
 I'll take a deep breath now and get back to you guys later. I'll continue when I have the energy. I'll be up to T2...
 Ahhh T2.
"My urge to be a Na'vi is probably the strongest thing I have ever felt, and also the reality that it will likely never happen. Of course being able to link up with nature, or fly on your own personal dragon-bird is cool, but I want to be a Na'vi for more than that. I've pretty much given up all hope in the human race…"
 I think this speaks volumes; the youth of today feels like Earth is no longer their home. They see the rampant greed and disgusting atrocities that the dying "old Guard" is thrusting upon their and their unborn childrens' worlds...
 Hell, sometimes I don't even feel like I belong to this sick fucking world anymore... it's just some sick groundhog day for me.....
 Avatar certainly brings up some interesting feelings.
Was overrated though. The CG was good though I will say that.
handed to 'em on a nice dish. THANK YOU, James Cameron, for proving to the world that a $300 million movie can still be a VERY profitable investment.
Stereo scoping IS AN OLD TECH. Cameron is infusing some new shit, but it's like throwing a supercharger in some old 1920's Ford. It's still an old clunker.
 THE MATRIX is the next logical step. But then people will complain about it being too real in the fucking TB's, and Quint will then go underground and star a zion movement where everyone goes back to watching old school 2d films.
 And then the internets sends some machines to kill you nukkas.
You have to see it for yourself.
You've been logging into AICN for years, it's had you for awhile.............QUE MUSIC
I have so many things and opinions to relate regarding this news, but frankly, something else makes me what to comment on this.
I simply find it HILARIOUS that people would log onto fucking AINT IT COOL, come to the AVATAR talkback, and say "Yup. I should probably go see this. I'm so damn clever. Don't you like me?"
I realize the point might be to get on other people's nerves, but COME ON. You completely discredit yourself. REGARDLESS OF WHAT YOU THINK about the film, or what you thought before, IF you've been to this site, you've seen it. Hands down, that's a fact.
I love how anyone thinks otherwise. Sure, there may be EXCEPTIONS, but those people aren't ever going to advertise that information, because they actually ARE going to see it eventually. Seriously guys, what the hell is the point of commenting in an Avatar sequel thread, with the sole purpose of trolling. How can that POSSIBLY be something that you think is important to do.
I probably sound like such a queen right now, but whatever. Just struck me as mind-boggling.
Some humans come back to Pandora, where Sully is carrying on as the tribal leader of the Na'vi, still in a relationship with Netryi and working in harmony with both the eco-system and the humans that were allowed to stay behind.
 These new humans show, floating in a tank on their ship, a human Avatar of Jake Sully with WORKING LEGS!
 This give Sully a massive personal conflict as he can go back to being human, and have working legs, but will have to remove himself from the society he loves and his life-partner.
 Against this, a massive struggle against "The Corporation" returning to Pandora to kick Na've ass or another, new threat.
 Can I have the job, JettL93???
When is Cameron gonna sign my Fucking Poster!!!
The cum was the ink
Any thoughts on this?
the movie is still fucking
AWESOME
thank you mr Cameron for this masterpiece of yours,i really cant wait for the next chapter of your outstanding saga.oh and haters:
AVATAR NO2 ALL TIME WORLD WIDE B.O. MOVIE EVER AHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA
http://tinyurl.com/y8qu54s
 Hahaha, wtf. I enjoyed the film quite a bit but man this is fucked up. Some people are just plain moronic.
...why does the animals on pandora have two antennas? like banshees for example, it makes no sense to have two antennas if especially they are owned only to one navi... not like they hookin up to pandora right? everythin bout life on pandora looked cool, cept that they wanted to make symmetrical lookin creatures... any fan boy answers?
It just wont stop.
Cameron had to cast Michel Biehn the best interpretr for this kind of movie.
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