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Two friends having an affair? WWYD
(93 Posts)NC, and really at a loss! Will keep brief as would rather not be known in RL.
I very strongly suspect that my friends DH and our mutual friend are having an affair. Very randomly I was out for dinner with work people and saw them there together. They were being very couply and cosy, holding hands, kissing, giggling until they saw me, I was really shocked but they then shortly got up and left, they didn't talk to me at all or really acknowledge my presence, but they definately saw me. Friends DH had told her he was working away that night. They know I know but haven't said anything to me, this was last thursday night. It does make sense to me as a few months ago I commented to my DH that I would be uncomfortable with him being as friendly and flirty as friends DH was with OW. Friend has also commented that mutual friend(OW) hangs around alot... but it has never gone further than that. DH thinks I should leave it, he says that they know I know so that will either prompt them to come clean or end it and I would be better off not being involved.
Do I tell friend? WWYD?
I would stay out of it. The messenger always gets shot.
It sounds like they aren't very discreet anyway so will be caught out before long.
What a horrible position for you to be in.
I would speak to the mutual friend or the Husband and say that either they confess within the week or you tell your friend waht you saw..
You saw it with your own eyes so it isn't idle gossip otherwise I would say stay out of it.
Would your friend feel betrayed by you if she knew you were aware of this sighting but said nothing?
Tricky isn't it? I would normally agree with your DH that it's a total minefield to get involved in someone else's marital problems... especially if you're the one dropping a bombshell as big as this. But as they have been completely caught with their pants down and as your friend already has her suspicions, I don't think I'd be able to keep quiet. Especially if it later came out that you'd seen them together and said nothing.
Ohh that sounds like an almost impossible situation... whichever way you go you'll end up in the wrong I'm afraid. I would probably talk to my friend, if it was a really good friend, and just tell her what you saw and leave it at that, where she goes from there is then her choice. If you were your friend wouldn't you want to know?
I would tell them they either come clean or you will have to tell your friend what you saw.
It's crap you're In this position. Affairs often have a large fallout range which makes it even more of a selfish act.
Is OW a good friend of yours?
How is your friend going to feel if it later transpires that you knew and said nothing? In her shoes I would want to know and would be very unhappy to find out that a friend had known about the affair had kept it from me. Do you think your friend would want to know and if so do you really have the right to remain silent?
Confront them. Tell them that what they are doing causes unimaginable pain to more people than they have started to think about, and that they WILL be found out.
So whilst they are in control of the situation, that they come to what decision they want to come to, and do it.
That is what I would do anyway. (I would NEVER tell the wife. She is the one person who is not in any control of the situation whatsoever, so why give her the responsibility to manage what she didn't cause?)
Duty discharged, their secrecy bubble blown, a bit of healthy disapproval, advice given, responsibility handed back to them.
I'd so want to know though -in my case I'd want to be told. I can't imagine why anyone wouldn't.
My friend discovered that her ex was cheating on her left right and centre and was devastated because so many people had seen him cheat but didnt tell her.
I'd a tell a good friend and I would want to be told to.
Oh dear OP, you will indeed be shot no matter what you do or say. Either the DW will have a go at you for telling her what she didn't want to really know or for not telling her what she DID want to know.
I have been in this position once. I said nothing. I decided that if the DW came to me to ask if I knew anything I would tell. Otherwise I decided that as I hadn't actually seen her DH and the OW having sex in front of me I wasn't going to assume anything. For all I knew they were watching re-runs of Eastenders when they were hidden away in OW's house. And it wasn't my business to make assumptions and force them on the DW and risk her marriage. Maybe she knew and was prepared to live with it, or maybe she didn't. But who was I to decide that she had to know whatever it was I assumed was going on?
My advice would be to say nothing - and prepare an explanation as above when the DW eventually phones you.
Friend is quite a good friend but not one of my closest, sort I don't share everything with but would happily meet up for a cuppa or for Dcs to play. OW is someone who comes along to larger social gatherings etc, I wouldn't invite her to my house for a cuppa for example. My DH is friends with friends DH, which is how we got to know one another many moons ago. OW and friend used to be quite good friends but not so much now I think as friend as DC. Sorry if this sounds confusing.
I'd want to know but I don't want the responsibility of dealing out such horrid news. Though I think deep down I have to do something. Abitwobbly that is a really good point, but I do think maybe I should tell friend...
Oh I really don't know what is for the best!! Very angry at both of them for creating this mess and dragging me into it! (even if it was inadvertantly!)
"hadn't actually seen her DH and the OW having sex in front of me "
Openly snogging in a restaurant kind of wipes out any element of ambiguity... The OP isn't assuming anything.
Would it be possible next time you see your friend to just say 'oh i saw him on x night havign dinner with friend b' and just leave it at that.
She then knows he wasn't away and can ask him about it.
well, you know they are having an affair, and they know that you know they are having an affair, and they are not being discreet, so other people will find out in due course. Plus if they aren't being discreet, it could be that they don't care if they get caught, and therefore are in the 'planning to leave' stage. This then means it's going to all blow up at some point, possibly very soon.
When it does, it could easily be that the Friend finds out independantly that her H has been cheating and he assumes she found out from you, so says something. That would be very hurtful to your friend if she's been going slightly crazy trying to find evidence and she suddenly realises you have known all along. (She might mistakenly think you were either laughing at her behind her back and/or helping her H have an affair)
I would talk to either the OW or the H, say you know what you saw and they have put you in a terrible position. I wouldn't give an ultimatium this close to Christmas, though, I think AbitWobbly is about right. Put it back on them.
AtA Please think about it.
Someone I know was in a similar situation to you. She confronted the cheating husband and gave him an ultimatum. The husband then told his wife that the lady I know had tried it on with him and threatened to ruin his life. All of her credibility was gone no one believed anything she said about him and the person he was having an affair with after that.
If you tell the wife then she may find it hard to be around you after that, or her and her husband will try and work it out and then you will be pushed out too.
Its so hard to know what to do for the best I know, but please think of all the possible consequences for yourself before you do anything.
I'd also recommend the 'I saw your DH in <insert restaurant>' opening gambit. He's either a) owned up, b) said he was somewhere else or c) said he was with someone else. If she asks you a direct question e.g. 'who was he with'... be honest.
In response to chrismissy, yes I am worried about this, we all live in a close knit village, apart from OW but she isn't far away. I can't not see these people on a regular basis, we share friendship circles and community stuff.
It is great you are all giving advice but everyone has such conflicting opinions, wish my brain would work better and sort this mess out in my head! Currently at work and not getting a thing done!
I know, I know cogitO I'm advocating the chicken's way out.....!
But the thing is, unless the DW is noticeably sniffing around for information on her DH, or gives some kind of indication like some of the other MNers "I'd want to know etc", the OP is not necessarily going to be thanked for this. (Not that she's looking for thanks, you know what I mean).
I'm with chrismissy - OP needs to think it all through before wading in.
I agree to the 'I saw your dh out the other evening' approach too! You are not accusing anyone of anything but not letting it go either.
The OP will not be thanked if she drops the bombshell and she will not be thanked if it comes out she kept quiet. In a no-win situation therefore I think it's a case of 'tell the truth and shame the devil'. You may not be popular but you can always defend yourself if you've told the truth.
I must admit Cognit0 I am leaning towards this approach. If I just tell the truth to friend, not my assumptions at what this means but exactly what I saw, then I've done what I can feel is the right thing. I always tell DC that he should always tell the truth (albeit with diplomacy!) but needs to accept sometimes people don't like it, but telling people just what they want to hear is as bad as lying. Maybe I need to listen to my own parenting advice.
I will think about this though before wading in. In truth I've thought about nothing else for the last 4 days! I really expected the H or OW to contact me. The only contact I had was OW 'liking' a comment on my FB!!
Or - where does he work?
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That essay is a right kick in the nuts.
Please don't tell the wife. If you do anything, it should be towards the twat who is doing the damage.
They're not going to say anything are they? They're probably gambling that you're too embarrassed to spill the beans. Also they've had a few days to work out a plausible explanation why he was in that restaurant with female friend where you saw him, etc. etc., just in case you say something.
"What tangled webs we weave"... and so forth....
If the original friendship is through your DH, I would tell him and leave it to him to have a "man-to-man" talk to his friend!
He could probably do it much less confrontationally, in a blokey way: "hey mate, DW told me about you and OW last week, what are you playing at?", then take it from there depending on how he reacts...
I forgot to add: otherwise, your own husband might end up getting annoyed with you if his friend falls out with him do to you getting involved!
Oops, more conflicting opinions here
But I would tell the wife what you saw ie. exactly what you saw and no more with no embellishments and judgments about what it might mean. Make sure she knows you have no expectations of what she will/won't do with that information and that it goes no further.
If I were her, I would hate to be the last to know and, when it all comes out, to think that people that are supposed to care about me left me looking like a duped fool.
She has no control over what is happening with her H and the OW but she does have control over what she does in response to being in full possession of the facts
I actually think a start of "I meant to tell you, I was in X restaurant on Friday and I'm sure I saw your DH in there, but he left before I had chance to come over to say hello, I hope he didn't think I was being rude!" as that just gives her the chance the start the conversation along the lines of, "AtA said she saw you in X place, but weren't you away on Friday?" if she asks for further details you can say you thought you saw OW with him, but you don't have to say you saw them kissing unless you want to
If my husband was cheating and my friend knew about it, I would want them to tell me. It would be the end of the friendship if I found out later that they knew and let me carry on being played the fool.
I agree with AnyFucker here. You need to present your friend with what you saw, and let her know you are there if she needs you, but you will not judge her whatever she decides to do.
I would tell the wife, and I would want to be told in her situation. I just don't understand why anyone wouldn't tell a friend that they are being cheated on. All of the damned if you do stuff is just an excuse to do nothing and imo if you do nothing then you are complicit in the affair.
I think advice from MrsCampbellBlack is very good, then its just like an innocent comment made in passing for friend to investigate. I really think she needs to know. Good luck, would hate to be in your position. x
Talk to your friend.
If you make a big song and dance about it, complete with shocking revelations and so on then that would be horrid and make you look like you were enjoying it - but if you just have a quiet word, in private, and tell her what you saw then she will be more likely to appreciate it.
If you don't tell her and then she finds out that you knew, you'll lose her I imagine.
Horrid situation - I'm sorry.
Ata I have been in this situation. I told the dh who was cheating that I knew and the shit really hit the fan - he told lots of lies and wriggled out of it and I looked like a complete bitch. The DW begged me to tell her the truth but I just couldn't - I was in a such an awful position.
A few months later the DW found out anyway. She thanked me for looking out for her, but I feel terrible that I didn't just tell her straight away. She's forgiven me for that (I think!).
I can't give you any more details as it might out me or my friend. Needless to say, it was an awful position to be in but if it happened again I would tell my friend. No questions. No giving the DH the opportunity to wriggle out of it. If it was me I would want to know that my DH was a cheating bastard. Why protect him?
Thnks everyone. I am going to tell her but in a very non-bias way, as you say just what I saw and when and leave it at that. I will support her if she needs it but will also understand if I get caught up in her anger when she lashes out or indeed if she wants to ignore it. I haven't told anyone else apart from DH and we've agreed no-one else is to know as it is not our life being thrown all over the place.
DH did think about talking to friends H but felt he couldn't, and they are not that close anymore. also his exact words were 'I'm not sure if I could stop myself from punching him!' My DH is quite a traditionalist about marriage, espceially when children involved, I'm not sure he would deal with it very informally. DH does think we should say something if it doesn't stop or they don't tell wife, but whatever I feel is right is my decision and he'll support me.
I would say something. It would be the end of your friendship if she found out you knew but carried on letting her being made a fool of.
Bear in mind that on a forum, some of the advice is going to be coming from people who would have rather have put their heads in the sand and not known - and also from people who've been in the OW or husband's position. Even your husband's opinion is skewed by not wanting to dob in a mate, plus he doesn't sound very good at confrontation.
So just do what you think is the right thing to do. Your friend is already suspicious, but is probably being told she's unreasonably jealous or insecure. She might even be led to think she's going mad. Meanwhile she is risking her health if she's still having sex with an unfaithful man. These two are treating her with contempt and they aren't even being discreet about it.
If you tell her what you saw then she can decide for herself what she does next. She can plan, get a health check, go to see a lawyer, get her own evidence, confront or do nothing. Telling her doesn't force her to do any of those things but it gives her info to make those decisions.
If you tell the husband or the other woman, they will just hide it better so please don't do that.
Late to this but I think your decision is right, ataloss. It's the lesser of two evils & I would definitely not say anything to the husband or OW.
Good luck OP, FWIW I think that is the right decision
AtALoss, I think you've made a good decision. If I was the wife in this scenario I would be grateful. Forewarned is forearmed.
I'd say nothing. It's not my business.
If it came out that I'd seen them I'd just say, oh yes, that's right I saw them in the such and such restaurant.
Yes I also would tell her what you saw. Give her the chance to decide what to do with the information, the chance to regain some control.
Good luck OP
Ooh. A difficult one.
I have been in this position and I kept my head down. I was sure it would come out but it didn't. Couple are still together and all seems well.
I am relieved I never said anything to any of those concerned.
I was waiting for ages for it all to come out and to support my friend as necessary.
Why would it come out that you randomly saw the Dh and ow in a restaurant. You have no firm proof of anything going on so could shrug it off without thinking too deeply.
I would not want to know to be honest. Sad, yes I maybe but what if it does work it's course?
Honesty isn't always the best policy.
I caught my Dad in a clinch with a family friend. He didn't know I'd seen them. I told my mum who confronted him. He denied it, gave me a stern talking to, along the lines of 'Merlot, I'm disappointed in you for thinking the worst of me' etc.
6 months later it all came out. He was having an affair with her . I was able to support my mum through the horrendous aftermath. They patched things up and are still together 16 years later.
I believe I absolutely did the right thing, despite the damage it did to mum, who hadn't been suspicious before and might never have found out otherwise. She stopped behaving like a martyred doormat and their relationship is much healthier as a result.
What an awful thing your father did to you Merlot (as well as your mother of course.)
Another vote for tell the wife, do it soon. I'd say 'oh I saw your dh in x place on Friday, he was with y' then change subject to how your work do went.
I think you are doing the right thing, I would want to be told.
Thanks Teeb. It was horrendous at the time, I was 18 and living at home, doing A-levels. In hindsight I think it actually undid some of the damage caused by growing up with this idea that men needed looking after, although not all of it, and that I'm less of a doormat as a result (although my feminist SIL would disagree with you!)
Sorry OP, don't mean to hijack, just saying I think telling your friend what you saw is the right thing, regardless of how she reacts to it.
Would disagree with me I mean...
I think you are doing the right thing OP.
The messenger always gets shot.
Stay well away, I would say (bitter experience).
An innocent remark - cos THEY don't tell the truth! - will be used against you to cover their tracks.
The shit will hit the fan soon enough anyway. Best you don't have anything to do with the fall out.
who needs these kinds of people in your life anyway?!
This happened to me and a couple of friends, we found out our friends DP was cheating, but stayed schtum for various reasons too lengthy to go into.
She found out about his cheating, kicked him out, and was totally devastated. Then it came out through a drunken friend that we all knew about it. So as well as already being devastated, some of her friends hadn't told her either. It was bloody awful. Looking back, she must have felt betrayed by everyone she cared about.
Tell her, but in a factual way. I wouldn't bother with giving him any heads up, he'd find a way of weaselling out of it. Even if she doesn't come to the conclusion he's having an affair, at least she on a bit of an alert for what's happening.
To all of you saying, 'tell the wife', have you ever been the 'recipient' of betrayal?
You see, there is a HUGE disconnect between intention and result. The person doing the betraying 'doesn't mean' to cause this much harm. S/he is thinking very very selfishly, only about their feelgood moment, an affair (being admired, desired) raises their self-esteem hugely. A large part of the problem is that they are not thinking of their spouse. In fact, they are not thinking at all. How many times have people heard 'I didn't mean to hurt you'?
The knowledge of an affair is absolutely shattering, in ways I can hardly describe. You self-esteem is gone. You feel ugly, unwanted, unsexual. You are so traumatised you don't even know what is real. I used to wish the world came with one of those packing boxes 'this way up' with an arrow. It makes you doubt EVERYTHING. Once your innocence is gone, it is gone. This is the one area where I think pure applied honesty is not applicable, really.
Please, please don't visit this holocaust onto the one blameless person. When someone is being selfish and thoughtless, they are in a little bubble of fantasy where they are in control. The issue here (the disconnect) is the fantasy. So an outside person, bringing a bit of reality of DISAPPROVAL and SHAME (and a bit of disgust) - could jolt the selfish arse into getting real about what they are doing and what is really important - and to turn away from his path of destruction.
The betrayers have no idea how destructive they are being, and what they are destroying. The disconnect (intention and result) is soooo toxic I think they should be challenged and given the option to stop and the wife given a chance to keep her innocence. It is ENORMOUS hard work to get to the place where 'his behaviour does not define my worth/I am not defined by him'. It has taken me 3 years and I and my children have lost so much.
If they are too addicted and choose not to, well - hell will be visited on them anyway. I would not wish this pain on my worst enemy.
Confront the DH and OW in a factual way. Give rhem a chance to come clean
When I finally got proof that my husband was cheating on me it was a huge relief. Of course it was also incredibly painful, but that pain began many months before when he started to get so deeply into his love affair that he found he had to demonise me in order to justify his behaviour to himself (and I totally agree wobbly that he was living in a complete fantasy world). As a result he was a bastard to live with and frankly I thought that I was going mad with my suspicions and being blanked whenever I tried to talk. It was the worst period of my life I think (worse for me that the aftermath, when at least I had some control and my dignity).
In my view the holocaust has already been inflicted by the person you love most in the world, and who you think loves you most in the world too. Anything outside of that to me was pretty irrelevant.
Sure I would have loved someone to have given my dh a stern talking to, and that as a result he would have realised the error of his ways and immediately stopped his affair and lavished me with the love I deserved. But I really really don't think that he would have reacted like that, except possibly if it had been from one of our very close mutual friends. Most likely he would have lashed out at that person and retrenched in his own little world.
OP I would tell your friend that you saw her dh out for dinner with the other woman. I might preface it with a 'is everything OK between you and your dh' type intro so you get a feel of where she is at - she might already know something is deeply wrong in which case she may welcome your proof of her suspicions, or she might brush it off in which case you can fall back on the 'surprised they didn't say hello' if you feel the need to. Either way you can make sure she knows that you are offering support if she needs it.
My dh didn't feel any true shame or disgust about his actions for at least a year after the news of his affair broke, but of course everyone will react differently.
It must be a horrible position for you OP, especially in a small community. Good luck with however you choose to go forward.
Don't do it! Do not to this info to any one else: friend, OW or H.
This is not a situation where the thing of 'well, everyone knew why didn't they tell me?' is going to be relevant because your friend is unlikely to find out that you saw her DH and the OW. You and your DH are not telling anyone (keep it that way!) and it doesn't seem likely that the OW and DH will mention it. This only becomes a problem if other people gossip to you about it, which hasn't happened yet.
As for confronting the cheating couple, there is no faster way to end up embroiled in a mess. They will hate you for bringing their relationship to an end and will focus on you and your role as bad guy. They will be out to make you look meddling or worse. Right now, they just want you to go away.
It can be tempting to want to ride into these kind of situations and set the moral world straight. However, this isn't about you and this kind of thing has ways of biting back, the nature of the news infects the teller. You might see this as helping her, everyone else might see it as stirring.
If you want to help your friend then be around for her and her DCs. But unless she asks you directly: have you seen my DH out with OW? then don't mention a thing.
Or, if you do feel compelled to say something, my friend got an email when her DH was cheating that said:
'I believe your DH is cheating on you with X You deserve better' which you could try. My friend's DH still denied it though.
I agree with Chrismissy. I did tell a friend this once, years ago, but I am not sure to this day that I did the right thing, and she suspected anyway, so I just confirmed it. They broke up shortly after and he married the OW. I did not personally know the OW so I was not caught on both sides of the problem.
I'm not sure I'd do it again though. I have known a couple of sets of good friends who have fallen out spectacularly over things like this.
DH and I know a very good friend of ours is screwing around but I don't think it's serious so we are sticking my heads in the sand. TBH I wouldn't be surprised if his DW has had the odd fling as well. They both seem to be going through midlife crises.
I really wouldn't want to find out that other people knew & didn't tell me
The thing is, everyone SAYS they'd want to know - I say I'd want to know too, and I know my best friend at least, would tell me, if she suspected anything - but who the hell knows what it must actually be like to receive that news in real life??
I mean seriously... There's clearly a reason for the massive disconnect between all of us piling on to say, 'yes, I'd want to know, I'd dump a friend for not telling me', and the fact that in real life, the messenger often gets shot in a rather spectacularly blood-thirsty way.
Finding out something like this is arguably the most devasting thing you'll ever experience in your life. It means an end to your family as you know it. It means single-parenthood. It means change in the most fundamental way. In reality, a lot of people are simply not willing to step up to that change when it comes down to it.
And if someone decides to stay with their cheating partner, then the first person they're going to throw overboard is the person who kindly broke the news to them, assuming they'd want to dump the sorry arse of the person who cheated. And when they don't dump their sorry arse - the cuckolded party is left feeling very red-faced in front of the friend for being a doormat, a pushover, an affair-accepter, pathetic, etc, etc. It's then way too difficult and awkward to continually face this person and so they're frozen out.
Don't get me wrong - I'm not saying don't tell her, necessarily. But I'd also take everyone's (including mine) fervent claims that 'we'd absolutely want to know' with a pinch of salt and basically, just do what you think is best.
Somerset - have you ever been the betrayed wife though? I have, and believe me I'd have been very grateful if someone had confirmed my suspicions. My best friend discussed this with me after the fact. She said she wouldn't have told me had she known. I would have wanted her to though.
No I haven't - I imagine that I'd very much want to know. I hate the idea of others knowing and me not, and looking ridiculous. I've known my oldest friend virtually all my life and I know she would tell me, and thank God.
I align myself completely with those who say they'd want to know. However, you can't deny that as much as people say they'd want to know in theory, in practice when people relay their real life experience of this sort of thing, the messenger so often gets shot...
So what if the messanger gets shot? Should OP keep schtum because it might mean the end of her friendship? It seems a pretty selfish reason not to say anything.
I also don't see where morals come into it (poster upthread mentions this). If OP just says I saw your H at the resto on Friday and he didn't say hello - OP is simply informing friend. No assumptions of affairs have been offered up. No red-faced embarrassment for friend. No judging. No moral position taken.
Keeping schtum would be entirely appropriate in cases where friends are just on the edge of one's social group. You've no big vested interest in their happiness and they would be wondering what your motivation was for speaking up. When you're closer your motivation is obvious (you care about your friend).
I agree wholeheartedly with SomersetONeil. I was the one frozen out despite the fact I only told my bf after weeks and weeks of handwringing and 'I think he's cheating on me. If only I knew'. Well it turns out she didn't want to know.
If he's not being that then the chances are he's going to get caught out at some point.
That is meant to read "If he's not being that careful then the chances are he's going to get caught out at some point". My brain is mush this morning.
Why should friend wait til the dust hits the fan? - it may never happen. Meanwhile their relationship is one based on deceit and a deceit that isn't complicit - it's one where one party is hoodwinking the other. Even if H realises he's wrong and dumps OW, his marriage cannot be the same as before the affair. The real issues haven't been addressed and then the veil of guilt comes. But then that really is their problem to sort. However, saying don't say anything because she's likely to find out anyway is a right cop-out (sorry for the strong wording, don't know why I feel so strongly about this - I almost never post on relationships).
I guess if you are the friend you have to balance up which option you think is better for you then. There is of course a chance the messenger will get shot, but there is a bigger chance that if you don't say something you will never be forgiven. I would have been incredibly hurt had a friend known and kept schtum. I would have questioned their loyalties to be honest, and probably lost trust in them.
I would say something, and I would want someone to say something to me.
Well thank you all, I had a good reason to see friend last night and she was alone. Told her what had happened, framed it very diplomatically without opinion, just what happened in the restaurant. She repeatedly asked what I thought was going on and I tried to say lets not jump to conclusions and only her H could tell her. She said he had been really 'off' with her for months, snapping and being difficult, she suspected something was going on and had been driving herself a little nuts trying to work it out. I don't know what she will do next or if this will affect us as friends, but I do agree with the above person who said that I'd be selfish if I didn't say to protect myself.
In truth I am relieved that she has suspicions and things weren't great as it didn't seem to be as big a bomb as I was expecting.
I know some of you will think I was right, some will think I wrong, but knowing her and I as I do, I feel what I did was the only right decision I could have made. I know OW or her H will not speak to me or DH again, but I am not concerned by that.
Hello AtALoss I think you did the right thing in bringing it to her attention.
It's up to her how she chooses to use the information, I hope she's okay.
AtAloss - she will thank you, if not now in the future. She'll have known anyway, just not known known iyswim. I knew, as partners who are having affairs are horrible people to live with. They are emotionally cold, disconnected, often critical, hurtful and cruel. They need to find reasons to justify their affair so make their partner feel at fault, constantly. It's confusing and horrible. Knowing why they are like this is actually a release.
Well done Ata it sounds like you have done exactly the right thing, although its not what I would have done it seems like you have just confirmed her suspicions rather than dropped a bombshell. What a crappy situation to be in though, how are you feeling about it all now?
I forgot to add - now, all you can do is be there for her, hand hold, take her out for lunch/coffee/drink, listen, sympathise, but avoid offering an opinion or a solution. Ask her questions so she can make her own decisions. You sound like a lovely friend.
Thanks, honestly I am feeling pretty crap at the moment. I hate seeing others in distress and it was horrible, and she was so nice about it which somehow made it worse! and it is just before christmas!
I'll be here as much as she needs and give her as much space as she needs. My feeling is if he wants to stay and repair the damage she will let him try....
You didn't cause this though Ata you have absolutely nothing to feel crap for. You didn't choose to see them and you didn't choose the timing. You are a victim in all this too.
I think you would have felt worse sitting there last night and not telling her. You are an amazingly selfless friend.
You are a good friend, OP x
Well done OP.
Well done OP. You did the right thing and you are a good friend. I bet your poor friend is a tiny bit relieved too, that she's not imagining things. This puts her on the front foot for the first time in months and at least now she can stop risking her health and get herself checked out. I wish there were more people like you in the world.
I think you did the right thing too.
It is bloody horrible living with someone when you know there is something off, but you're not sure what it is - and they put the blame on you or stress or whatever and make you feel like the bad guy or that you're demanding or paranoid. And you want to believe it is you, because the idea that the person you love most is betraying your relationship is so awful & hurtful.
I think you did the right thing,at least now she can be proactive and do something about it.
You are a true friend and have strong morals and integrity. She is lucky to have a friend who is looking out for her and is thoughtful and caring.
It might not seem it right now but you did the right thing for your friend
You did the right thing AtALoss. Whatever path she takes now is at the very least one of her own choosing.
Some of us do make things work again after an affair so try not to think that if she does stay with her cheating dh that you've not done the right thing. If you can be a supportive non-judgemental friend then you will be helping your friend enormously - it's incredibly valuable to have someone fairly neutral to talk to (lots of people feel they can't tell anyone when their partner cheats as somehow it is shaming/they feel a deep seated need to protect them).
that must have been really hard OP, but you did the right thing by your friend. I would definitely want to know if I was in that situation.
I think you did the right thing.
how about just dropping in conversation that you saw the two of them together on "such a day" having a meal (no mention of how close they seemed) as you would if you had saw him with his mate in the pub, and then i would probably think the wife will work out he's wasn't suppose to be there and have words with him, if not, at least her suspions will have been raised and she'd be more checking of him. Leaving you with your consious clear IYSWIM
So sorry, just saw the previous page. For what it's worth, you did the right thing
I think you did the right thing. I was driven nearly mad thinking on the one hand everything was lovely but on the other hand I felt I was walking on sinking sand.
Why don't you tell her to come on here? You can get this thread deleted. It would be a good support for her whatever she/he decide to do.
I too think you have done the right thing in this situation. Whatever our opinions we do not know you both or the intricacies of your friendship.
My view was tell her the facts and leave the door open. I have been the fool that was the last to know, I have been the one left there alone wondering how many days worth of gossip the destruction of my relationship provided for the same friends that couldn't raise the courage to tell me.
Abitwobblynow has some incredibly insightful blog posts and is wonderful; however we are fundamentally different. I feel if I had been told I could have taken control back of the situation, I would have become a player in the plot that was about to fundamentally change my life. As it was it happened around me, I had no control, no say, no choice until the end - I didn't know. No derision or disgust would have pulled my ex up due to the very same cognitive dissonance ABWN mentioned - he knew he was doing a 'wrong' thing but to him it felt right and love's young dream, no comment would have pulled him up, it would have pushed him further in. My choice was to tell him to pack up and fuck off - it was the only one I had left, the only way to regain any of the ground that had been taken from me, no time for negotiation (the faint hope there would have been any was another thing taken from me) - I had no warning or grieving period to make a plan or come to terms, I had to deal with those feelings alone after the storm.
It is just evidence that people are different and only you know your friend.
It may yet get sticky but I personally would have valued you beyond measure as the only person that cared enough about me to put yourself and our friendship on the line.
If there are kids onvolved then I'm a x2 for telling as I think forearmed is forewarned and any chance to buffer them from the storm is a good thing. Even if it falls on a dependant and in denial woman that doesn't want to know you've done the decent thing - at possible cost to oneself you have given the headsup, it needn't be a big broadway production but a twitch of the sisterly flag is enough.
Rather than not thinking it my place to place the responsibility on the wife, I don't think it is my place to actively remove her choice of doing or not doing. It just has to be an individual thing. I hope she gets the resolution she wants.
Well done OP- I really do think you have done the right thing
Well fine. Very difficult but better to know.
I would rather be told by a friend than discover it like I did , by texts/emails...
Be there for your friend and point her in MN direction if she needs it!
Loved Snowman's post, and I actually agree with her in part: BECAUSE I had no idea what was really going on (my gut told me, but I believed him when I asked, because after all he was my best friend AND he hid it very well), I enabled my own abuse for 2 years.
And it is the memory of his behaviour over those 2 years, and the damage of watching his love for her/agonise about leaving me, that has caused me the most harm.
So ideally I would have liked someone to speak to him to get his head out of his arse.
Then to have been told the reality of my life.
Being left in the dark is the WORST option, thank you Snowman.
I very much agree with Snowman too, as well as wanting to congratulate her on the best xmas name I have seen this year
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Calne Ca (骸音シーエ) is viewed as a derivative of Hatsune Miku, she was created by the 3D animator Deino. Her name comes from kara (骸) and ne (音), as well as CA (シーエ), the chemical symbol of calcium. This is due to Calne Ca being a mechanized skeleton with a skin or casing in the shape of Miku.
The term "Derivative" is used here to describe a fanmade Vocaloid character that is based on an already existing character.
Calne Ca basically is just a sort of casing in the shape of Miku for Calcium,[1] a Deino's original character, who is sort of a cyborg girl,[2] (well at least in appearance, because, in essence, she is a mechanized skeleton; according to Deino, however, it is up to the viewer to decide how they want to see her, either as a mechanized skeleton, or Miku deformed),The bug on her head is also known to be her best friend, either a fan made quote or was planned by Deino. Her first apparition was in the lyric-less music video Machine Muzik and since then appeared in several PVs.
Calne Ca was recognized officially to Crypton, she has appeared in the Project Diva games in some of the backgrounds and skins.[3][4]
During the Sapporo 2011 event, a projection of Calne Ca, much like the holographic projections used in Vocaloid concerts, was seen "dancing" while the artist Doppel was painting the Miku mural in the background.[5]
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- MikuMikuDance (MMD), 3D software
- A MMD model of Calne Ca was created by her creator, Deino. Deino also released a texture file for the model, allowing the model to look more like his cell-shade images. See the Calne Ca (Deino) page for details.
- Project Diva (PD), game
- Although Calne Ca isn't an available character in the PSP game, Hatsune Miku ~Project Diva~ nor in its sequels, she appears in some of the skins and backgrounds available for choosing.
- Fanmade Promotional Videos (PV)
- Calne Ca is commonly seen in fanmade videos, portrayed in various ways or simply dancing.
- Creatures that are frequently seen in videos accompanying Calne Ca are a walking skull called Chibi Cal-san (ちびカルさん), now officially known as Rubidium, it is the same kind of machine as Calcium. It doesn't have the body so its metal tendons are the only mobility it has as a head, sometimes skin placed is over the skull.[6] Rubidium was recently given a humanoid form. Another character that commonly appears along with Calne Ca is the long-tailed creature called Magnesium (Mg) (人型Mg).,[7] he also has a humanoid form.[8]
- ↑ deviantART: Machine Muzik
- ↑ deviantART: Calcium
- ↑ deviantART: Calne Ca 7
- ↑ SEGA: Item skin
- ↑ PIAPRO: 2011 Doppel
- ↑ deviantART: Chibi-Cal
- ↑ deviantART: Magnesium
- ↑ deviantART: Megnesium 02
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I am kind of weird. No, really, I am serious. I really am weird. Why do you keep arguing with me! Just take my word for it, I am super fucking weird. Okay, you want proof? Here:
Happy? Now you have awesome proof that I am not only weird, but that I like to play with not only my food, but my candy as well. I just can't help myself, I like being an incredible dork (in this instance, the word incredible is not an adjective acting on the word "dork" to describe the level of dorkness; it is instead acting on me, I am both incredible and a dork).
Anyway, I digress. I want to show you all something awesome. I have four different blogs, and what is great about having all these blogs, is all the spam comments. Usually they are just annoying advertisements for porn and viagra. Really, they are all for that, however from time to time you get one that does this in an interesting and fun way. So here we are, this is my favorite spam comment yet:
Isn't that just happy as fuck!?! I have never gotten one phrased like this. Usually when you get these comments they say something like, "Click here to purchase inexpensive Viagra!" But this one is so awesome. Just so polite and stuff. I would liken it to a religious solicitor coming to my door and saying, "hi, I really like the color you've painted your house. I am hoping to paint our church soon, you know, the church of [insert favorite religious organization here], and think that this color would really work for us." It just really makes me happy, I have to say.
I do have a few complaints about the spam stuff though. Because, let's be honest, who in the hell actually falls for this kind of advertising. Even ninety year old men with Alzheimer's disease wouldn't fall for this shit. Who was the genius who came up with spam as a form of advertising? Sure, it worked for I think the first six months of the internet. But the net has been around for a good long time now and we've caught on to the wiles of Mr. Spam. I think it is time to kill that as an advertising scheme, it just doesn't work anymore.
Sorry to go off on a rant like that, but I saw that comment and thought it was both the most hilarious and the most annoying thing in the world. It is kind of like Jim Carey. Ohhh, that was mean, wasn't it. I bet a few of you got offended on that one, well guess what? You're only upset because you know I'm right. Mr. Carey can play some pretty awesome characters, and he can play them quite well. When he plays these characters, he is absolutely hilarious. But then he plays the Grinch and makes you want to stab your eyes out and put M-80′s in your hears so you never have to see or hear that fucking movie again.
Phew. Okay, I think all the hate may be out of my system now. Though one can never be too sure on things of this natures. I mean, come one, we all know that fear leads to anger, and anger leads to hate, and hate leads to drinking a lot of beer and then getting in a fight with your best friend only to buy him another beer after you are done beating the shit out of each other…wait…that's only if you're Irish.
I have a feeling that this whole post today is just going to be me bagging on stuff beause it annoys or pisses me off. Prepare for another example!
I saw a guy sitting in a bus station in front of the dorms yesterday. I was on my way to the store, I needed to pick up a connector for my Mac to hook it up to my 42 inch TV…but it didn't work 'cause it is a festering bag of cunts and I'm just going to tell it to go eat a dick since it is such a mother fucker. Sorry, there I go again, right in the middle of a story, getting all side tracked and talking about things that have nothing to do with the story at all. Kind of like the dad in the movie Big Fish. He doesn't tell the stories straight though, that would be boring. Instead he takes little paths that branch off of the main story. A lot like a river, you may have little tributaries that come in from other places to feed the main river. It really makes the river more interesting because of all the places the water came from. Okay now that I have gone off on another path for a long time just to make this little joke, I will get back to the main story. So there was a guy sitting in a bus station in front of the Wallace dorms yesterday. He looked like your typical college student, and for sure he was mostly normal. Or at least that was what I would have thought.
The gentleman in question was wearing a pretty normal tee shirt. I do recall him wearing shorts. I did not see what was protecting his feet from the dangers one might find on the sidewalks, or the stickiness of a bus floor. His hair was a little wild, but let us be honest here, that is pretty standard for a male in college. What was weird about this good sir, was that he was smoking a hookah in the bus stop. Really? You're going to sit in the bus stop and smoke a hookah? I don't have anything else I can say about it. I just am completely speechless. A hookah. In a bus stop. Why? That is one step more lame than those guys who know two chords on their guitar so they sit under a tree on the admin lawn and play. I…I just…I just don't know.


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Contamination in Goiânia
By Sally Adee | March 28, 2011 | 22 Comments
On 24 September, 1987, six year old Leide Ferreira threw up ten minutes after eating her egg sandwich. The next day her parents started throwing up too. Vomiting and diarrhea were followed by strange aches and burns. When Leide's mother Maria went to the public health clinic in Goiás, the doctor ascribed her symptoms to food poisoning and sent her back home. Leide's grandmother, who came to help her family, got sick too. Lesions crept over their skin and their hair fell out. The family's neighbors began to think they had AIDS.
On 28 September, Maria dragged herself back to the doctor's office and deposited on his desk a small plastic bag filled with iridescent blue powder. This, she said, was the culprit. The doctor dismissed her claims as superstitious nonsense and admitted her to the Tropical Diseases hospital. But another doctor at the clinic called a health physicist to test the mysterious bag. The next day, 112 thousand people found themselves packed into Olympic stadium, queuing at hastily constructed tents to be tested for radiation poisoning.
Goiânia is the capital of the state of Goiás in central Brazil. About 1.3 million people live there. In 1971, a local cancer treatment clinic bought a radiation therapy machine. When the practice closed 14 years later, the administrators left the now-obsolete machine in the abandoned clinic without notifying either the state or Brazil's National Nuclear Energy Commission (CNEN).
The deserted clinic went through the usual process of decomposition. By 1987, the building had been reduced to three ramshackle walls with large holes eating through the peeling sides. Homeless people slept there. The erstwhile treatment room contained human excrement and the still relatively intact radiological machine, which looks like a cross between an enormous telescope and a dentist's chair.
That machine was finally discovered by Roberto dos Santos Alves and Wagner Mota Pereira, two locals who made their living selling scrap metal. On 13 September, the men brought a wheelbarrow to the dilapidated building, took apart the heavy outer assembly, and transported the inner canister back to Leide's uncle's scrap lot, where they got about $25 for it. When Devair Ferreira's employees smashed the canister open, they found still another inner container. Ernesto, one of the employees, finally pried the capsule open with a screwdriver.
His curiosity was rewarded with about a third of an ounce of sparkling, glowing blue powder. The consistency was variable—some crystals were as big as rice grains; others the size of dust. They were held loosely together in a crumbly cake, which Ernesto broke apart and sifted through his fingers. Witnesses later said they remembered him calling it "carnival glitter." Ernesto chose one of the bigger blue crystals to make into a ring for his wife, put it in his right front pocket, and went back to work.
The powder enthralled everyone. Devair began to suspect that it might be supernatural. His brother dipped a finger into the dust and drew a cross on his abdomen. Maria slept in bedclothes covered in the sparkly blue dust. Neighbors and acquaintances came to the Ferreiras' home to take some of the mystical powder for good luck. Six-year-old Leide rubbed the powder all over her arms so that she glowed and sparkled. The bedclothes, the house, and the girl were covered in crystals. So was the egg sandwich she ate for lunch.
The blue glitter wasn't magical, but it did have some powerful properties: the salt, called cesium chloride, was used in the radiotherapy machine. As its active ingredient, cesium-137, decays, it emits two radioactive products: beta particles and gamma rays, both of which damage the body. Beta particles are simply electrons. They travel slowly and without much force. At worst, external exposure irritates the skin, causing a sunburn-like reddening called "beta burn," but skin cells are tough enough to easily block beta particles from doing any internal damage. But when they're ingested, the story changes. The same sluggish travel capacity that makes them relatively harmless outside the body makes them more harmful inside, where all their energy is trapped inside a tiny radius. The more energy the electron burns into each cell, the worse the damage, and the more DNA strands are broken.
The other product of cesium-137 decay is gamma radiation. Gamma rays are photons, just like visible light, but with about 10,000 times as much energy. Gamma rays are more penetrating than beta particles, in fact more so than x-rays: they barely notice the skin as they glide through organs, muscle, and bone. Because they are so deeply penetrating, they may not hit any cells at all, but just pass through the body without interaction. Whether they hit a cell or pass through depends on how much radiation is emitted by the source and how close a person is to that source. The corollary of "beta burn" is called a thermal gamma burn, but instead of irritating the skin, it fries the organs inside the body.
The larger particles Leide had rubbed on her skin adhered to the sandwich and wreaked havoc on her stomach and intestine cells during digestion. The finest crystals clung to the dust she breathed and drifted into her lungs.
The time it takes to die of radiation poisoning depends on how the exposure compares to background radiation, the nominal amount of radiation a person can expect to receive from the natural environment. That's around 0.002 Gray per hour, a Gray being the standard international unit of absorbed radiation dose. If gamma radiation can be thought of as a steady stream of progressively more lethal bullets, the Gray measures how many of those little bullets will hit during a given amount of time. A dose of 4-5 Grays—30,000 times the background levels—kills all the body's red and white blood cells. The death of these cells destroys the immune system, and opportunistic diseases can roam free. The exposed individual dies within a few weeks.
Once CNEN realized the magnitude of the contamination, the organization cast a wide net to test as many people as they could. They flew 54 severely contaminated people to a hospital in Rio de Janeiro, where they were put in "reverse isolation," which, instead of protecting the staff from a patient's infection, protects patients with compromised immune systems from infections caused by something as innocuous as a fungus or a common cold carried by a nurse's aide. Hospital staff had to decontaminate patients' skin anew every day, using a mix of soapy water and a diluted acid, because their sweat kept re-contaminating their own skin from the inside.
The first task, however, was to remove as much of the internal source as they could. "When you're internally exposed, the first thing you want to do is just get it out of your body by any means necessary," says Jonathan Links, a health physicist at Johns Hopkins University and the former president of the Nuclear Medicine Society. "You start with brute force: lavage, laxatives. Just get whatever is inside out." In addition to the "brute force" tactics, they tried chemical methods. Prussian Blue is a chemical agent that works by bonding to the radioactive particles inside the body. These are then secreted through the normal pathways: urine, feces, and sweat.
Most of the 54 survived because they were exposed to less than 1 Gray. However, several people lost fingers, and 23 people were treated for localized radiation burns. Five required skin grafts. Ernesto, the scrap yard worker who had sifted lovingly through the entire cake of fairy dust, received intense thermal gamma burns on his hands and on his right thigh, where the cesium-137 chunk intended for his wife's ring had burned through his trousers.
The men who had dismantled the cancer therapy machine in the clinic fared badly. According to the IAEA report detailing the incident [PDF], Pereira and Alves had probably been exposed to doses around 4 Gray from the moment they moved the giant machine. Both men had complained of vomiting, diarrhea and vertigo within days of their initial exposure, and Pereira's hand was swollen and burned. Like Leide's father, he had been initially diagnosed with a reaction to tainted food. Late in October, two of Devair's other workers died of internal hemorrhaging.
For Leide and her mother, the only care the hospital could offer was palliative. Leide had an estimated internal dose of 4 Gray—that's just from inhalation and ingestion—and she died on 23 October, on the same day as her mother. She was buried in a lead coffin, sealed with concrete.
Leide's death was only the first tremor of what would happen in Goiânia. Less than half an ounce of cesium chloride would become a city-wide contamination, a political and economic catastrophe, and 13 and a half tons of nuclear waste. And that was just in the first month.
Last week, the New York Times reported that the reactors at the Fukushima Daiichi plant reactors have discharged mainly iodine-131 and cesium-137. "It's the cesium that would prompt an evacuation," Argonne National Laboratory nuclear engineer Shih-Yew Chen told Science, which also reported that Japan's cesium-137 soil measurements are now surprisingly high.
What makes the Goiânia incident instructive is that unlike the Chernobyl disaster, which spewed everything—strontium, cesium, iodine and a whole assortment of nasty characters—here the sole contaminant was cesium-137. It has been possible to trace the effects, over 30 years, of a single source of a single radioactive isotope.
I'll continue the story next time.
[The opening picture: It's not cesium chloride. It's art courtesy of flickr user bmooneyatwork. The map is courtesy of the 1988 International Atomic Energy Agency report on the incident. The third image shows people being tested for exposure at the stadium, courtesy of CNEN, and you can find it in the IAEA report. The fourth image is actual cesium, but not cesium chloride, by Wikimedia user Dennis "S.K."]
22 Responses to "Contamination in Goiânia"
Mark Sircus
March 29th, 2011 @ 4:56 pmThis morning I started a post on my blog with:
Radiation is now being detected in Russia, imagine what it must be like for the poor Japanese who live within 500 miles. Japan is not that big of a place though it is a land of big people who have made some huge mistakes. Almost all supporters of the nuclear industry have run for cover but today we see one being sneaked out or savagely used.
"I think there is a role for safe nuclear power," says Dr. David J. Brenner directs the Center for Radiological Research. He is the expert brought out by the New York Times to confuse everyone. Is there really such a thing as safe nuclear power? How anyone can say that after this latest nuclear accident is beyond comprehension.I have posted almost every day since the start of this nuclear disaster….would like to include this post in my book coming out soon on Nuclear Toxicity Syndrome
Dr. Mark Sircus, Ac., OMD, DM(P)
Death by Blue « CollTales
March 30th, 2011 @ 7:30 am[...] What a Little Canister in Goiania Had in Common With Fukushima [...]
March 31st, 2011 @ 2:00 pm@Mark: I think you're coming at this from a very non-scientific angle. Nuclear power is, overall, safe. But, when we see a single instance like this, our minds trick us into thinking it's a lot more likely than it actually is.
For the record, Fukushima really is a new situation. We've built plants to survive both earthquakes and flooding, but apparently not both at once. And, if the Fukushima situation is an object lesson in anything, it's the fact that the power company running a plant can't cut corners on safety procedures the way it was done there. Even with that, the vast majority of very bad outcomes were avoided by the countermeasures that were put in place.
When it comes down to it, nuclear power is "safe". But, maybe the world itself just isn't.
March 31st, 2011 @ 9:07 pmsloppy: "Science, which also reported that Japan's cesium-137 soil measurements are now surprisingly high."
All these readings were taken within a 50km radius. Japan is a larger country than that.
April 1st, 2011 @ 12:19 amIs there a version of this story that has a left margin?
April 1st, 2011 @ 1:30 amMark Sircus,
Where is your doctorate from? I highly doubt it is accredited.
Also do more research. Yes nuclear is dangerous, but Coal is even more so, its just all of its problems are spread out over years as opposed to single accidents causing all the cases. In addition there are on the horizon Thorium reactors which are safer and more efficient than plutonium reactors, and can't melt down. They are the future of safe nuclear power. You are just a fear monger trying to drum up business for yourself at the cost of the future.
Ken Cohen
April 2nd, 2011 @ 1:19 pmLife is a series of risks of variable size. The question is, which risks are worth taking, which are not. People answer this question according to their values, their wants and needs, their emotions. Personally, I think the risks of nuclear power are worth taking as long as those responsible for it's oversight and operation do their very to safeguard the rest of us – which they usually but not always have succeeded in doing.
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April 3rd, 2011 @ 4:44 pm[...] disturbing results of the innocent distribution of radioactive Cesium-137 in Brazil - Contamination in Goiânia from The Last Word On [...]
April 6th, 2011 @ 12:26 pm"Dr. Sircus was trained in acupuncture and oriental medicine at the Institute of Traditional Medicine in Sante Fe, N.M., and at the School of Traditional Medicine of New England in Boston.
He served at the Central Public Hospital of Pochutla in Mexico, and was awarded the title of doctor of oriental medicine for his work. He was one of the first nationally certified acupuncturists in the United States."
"His book, The Terror of Pediatric Medicine, is a free e-book offered on his web site.
He has recently released a number of e-books including Winning the War Against Cancer, Survival Medicine for the 21st Century, Sodium Bicarbonate, Rich Man's Poor Man's Cancer Treatment, New Paradigms in Diabetic Care and Bringing Back the Universal Medicine: IODINE."http://www.naturalnews.com/031974_radiation_dangers.html
"Sodium bicarbonate is the least expensive, safest and perhaps most effective cancer medicine there is. Sodium Bicarbonate is a nothing to lose everything to gain treatment for cancer."
Rich Man's Poor Man's Cancer Treatment
http://publications.imva.info/index.php/about-the-author -
The shiny, blue crystals brought pain and death - Dateline Zero
April 6th, 2011 @ 2:48 pm[...] the story at The Last Word On Nothing: … His curiosity was rewarded with about a third of an ounce of sparkling, glowing blue [...]
John Bartley K7AAY
April 6th, 2011 @ 3:36 pmSIGNIFICANT MATH ERROR
Background radiation cited in the eleventh graf as 0.002 Gy/hr (2mGy/hr) is wrong, very wrong; off by three orders of magnitude. Please, everyone, suspect all the rest of the science in this article because if something so elemental is wrong, what else is wrong?
The primary scientific source cited in this post would make anything generating a dose of 2 milliGrays an hour (0.002 Gy/hr) intermediate-level radioactive waste (page 5, http://www-pub.iaea.org/MTCD/publications/PDF/Pub815_web.pdf , factoring for w=1 as is the case for beta and gamma at 2 mSv/hr) and require storage in packages 'with 200 mm reinforced concrete walls' (page 83, op cit).
This post also does not understand the difference between exposure level (measured in Sv, mSv or uSv) and dose (measured in Gy, mGy or uGy). That's Health Physics 101, and required for any accurate understanding of the issue. One Sv of field strength results in one Gy of dose as per http://books.google.com/books?id=ZBQXV7glXfQC&pg=PA38&lpg=PA38&dq=background+radiation+Gray&source=bl&ots=ilTeQ7AxnR&sig=4RT9E1nb-7wS3xYRTwwzI0Tnhps&hl=en&ei=2bScTfz4La2N0QG5wJTpAg&sa=X&oi=book_result&ct=result&resnum=27&ved=0CNQBEOgBMBo
That same document (page 76) specifies background radiation in that area as measured in uSv/hr, not mSv/hr, three orders of magnitude less than the author of this blog post mistakenly suggested.
A somewhat more authoritatve source http://www.pbs.org/wgbh/pages/frontline/shows/reaction/interact/facts.html notes the average worldwide background radiation level is 2mSv per YEAR, not per HOUR. 2mSv/yr would result in a dose of 2mGy/yr.
http://rex.nci.nih.gov/NCI_Pub_Interface/raterisk/risks90.html (second graf) confirms an annual dose is on the order of 1-2 mGy/yr, whereas http://www.colorado.edu/EHandS/hpl/RADHandbook/Introduction.html in the first graf of section 2 noted US background level is higher, on the order of 3.6 mSv/yr.
And, a suggestion to the blog post author: Please DO THE MATH.
Mark Smith
April 6th, 2011 @ 4:53 pm>> When it comes down to it, nuclear power is "safe".
You are completely, totally, umambiguously, demonstratively, absolutely wrong.
Not "wrong."
April 6th, 2011 @ 5:38 pmDoes radiation exposure really kill RBCs? They don't have genetic material to speak of.
Sally Adee
April 6th, 2011 @ 7:52 pmHi John Bartley,
Thank you very much for your thoughtful and thorough post. I'm checking the math now, and I'll certainly get back to you. I really appreciate your attention to these details. -
Sally Adee
April 6th, 2011 @ 8:21 pmHi Mark,
Gamma radiation can kill red blood cells, yes. Elegant explanation:"Gamma irradiation of red blood cells induces alterations at three different
functional units of the membrane: lipid bilayer, protein components and
cytoskeleton at the membrane surface [3]. In addition, radiation induces shortening
in the lipid fatty acid chains by lipid peroxidation. The production of
hydroperoxides and cross-linkages in the membrane lipids can disorder the upper
region of the bilayer favoring penetration of water and ending by hemolysis."Source: "Effect of Gamma Radiation on Some Biophysical Properties of Red Blood Cell Membrane"
Nabila S. Selim, et al.
Blood, Vol 83, No 6 (March 15), 1994: pp 1683-1 689Also see:
"Ionizing radiation-induced structural modification of human red blood cells"K. Gwoździński
Radiation and Environmental Biophysics
Volume 30, Number 1, 45-52, DOI: 10.1007/BF01595573Though, interestingly, gamma rays from Cesium-137 have often been used to irradiate red blood cells in order to prevent transfusion-associated graft-versus-host disease.
See, for example:
"Deformability and viability of irradiated red cells."
Reverberi R, Govoni M, Verenini M.
Ann Ist Super Sanita. 2007;43(2):176-85.http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/17634667
I suppose the key is to use the right amount.
April 6th, 2011 @ 9:14 pmWhy do people keep saying nuclear power is safe? Will it become true if people keep repeating it? Will Fukushima's evacuation be cancelled? Will the multi-core meltdown stop in it's tracks? Yes, there are relatively safer reactor models, yet we are still using these dangerously outdated models worldwide. There is a known issue regarding these particular reactor vessel's potential to fail during a meltdown. That alone should be evidence that society is not responsible enough to handle power generation from nuclear fission. This situation is already not safe and the crisis has not even reached a conclusion yet!
Contamination in Goiânia | Follow Me Here…
April 10th, 2011 @ 11:28 am[...] Horrifying and poignant story of the 1987 contamination of a central Brazilian town by radioactive cesium chloride. Japanese cesium-137 measurements have been climbing since the Fukushima Daiichi disaster. (via The Last Word On Nothing) [...]
Brazilian Historical Oddities #2 – Sparkly Blue Powder | geonaut.brasil
April 17th, 2011 @ 10:29 am[...] more information see this GreenPeace slide show, this blog post, and this IAEA pdf [...]
Diana Allen
April 17th, 2011 @ 6:02 pmUmm…safe means harmless. How people can keep saying nuclear energy is "reasonably safe" – especially now – is so beyond me. Is that like being a little bit pregnant?
Look: there's NO place to put the waste, the spent fuel rods remain hot and dangerous for thousands of years…I mean Hel-Lo. This was a technology that was, in theory, a good idea but was never perfected, brought too soon to market and is NOT safe!
Solar energy is safe. Windmills are safe. OK, a windmill might fall on you and smash your house. But it won't poison every fish in the ocean; it won't contaminate cow's milk halfway around the globe. You know what I'm saying?
So obvious, I could scream.
John Bartley K7AAY
April 18th, 2011 @ 6:14 pmAnd, yet another source to demonstrate the bad science in this post: http://www.newscientist.com/blogs/onepercent/2011/04/robots-find-high-radiation-lev.html
The last graf of that story shows normal background radiation at 1/100 (0.01) of a millisievert per hour, which, for beta and gamma, would generate a dose of 0.01 milliGray/hr. That's 1/200 of the dose of 0.002 Gray/hr you quoted in graf 11 of your story.
How much more proof do you need to correct your error above?
April 20th, 2011 @ 4:47 amI really do agree with John B. about this post giving the wrong information in so many ways. As a medical physicist I can not even begin to clear all of them up here! Clearly there are misunderstandings about radiation levels and units and the effect of radiation on humans. But the author of this post have not even understood how the small things are related, such as that Leide was not Devairs and Marias daugther. Leides mother did not die.
Even Wikipedia gives a more correct view of the accident. Please read that instead if you want simplified information!
For a more scientific view please read the International Atomic Energy Agency's report of the accident.
http://www-pub.iaea.org/MTCD/publications/PDF/Pub815_web.pdfPlease all -do not believe everything you read!
Amy Wall
December 31st, 2011 @ 11:16 pmG'Day! Lastwordonnothing,
Thanks for the above, Please mention techniques, tips to avoid contamination while doing experiments and also suggest some tips to do work with maximum efficiency.Please provide links of important articles or videos related to this topic.Thanks in advance.
Keep up the good work


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