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Kiefer Sutherland Addresses 'Negative Impact' of America's Response to 9/11 (Video)
The former "24" actor talked with THR while promoting his latest film, "The Reluctant Fundamentalist."
On the 11th anniversary of the Sept. 11 attacks, Kiefer Sutherland acknowledges the victims but also shifts focus to "a negative impact" from America's response to the tragedy.
The actor, who famously played agent Jack Bauer on Fox's 24, sat down with The Hollywood Reporter at the Toronto Film Festival, where he's promoting his latest film, The Reluctant Fundamentalist, a drama directed by Mira Nair that confronts people's shifting attitudes post- 9/11.
"9/11 was an unbelievably traumatic event," he said. "I was in Los Angeles when it happened, and rightfully so, we acknowledge the victims of 9/11 and we think of the people that were in the towers and we think of the people that were in the planes and the families of the people that were lost. But I think, certainly, after (11) years since 9/11, I think it's an important time to take a look back on all of the other casualties from that day."
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The Reluctant Fundamentalist, based on the novel by Mohsin Hamid, features Sutherland as Jim Cross, boss and mentor to financial analyst Changez Khan (Riz Ahmed) at a Wall Street firm. Kate Hudson plays Cross' niece, with whom Changez is romantically involved. Disillusioned by the xenophobia sweeping the U.S., he moves to Pakistan, where he becomes a professor and tells his life story to an American journalist (Liev Schreiber), who questions him following the kidnapping of an older professor.
"As Riz's character articulates, people were scared, they were angry, and we broke down a lot of procedural things that we value so much in the Constitution. And I think those things have had a negative impact on how we dealt with certain aspects of the fallout of 9/11," said Sutherland.
Nair, who brought the film to both the Venice and Toronto film festivals, joined Sutherland during the interview, adding that it's "really creating huge conversations, and conversations about the world and oneself in it. I feel very much that I was born to tell stories of these worlds. Because these are worlds I love and know but also worlds that don't understand each other these days."
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I am still trying to learn more about getting around in late June from Rekjavik to see Gullfoss, Geyser and Selfoss, and from Akureyi to see Gullfoss. We are on a cruise making stops in these towns. Do we need a 4 x4 or can we just get a regular car to travel the roads that lead to these sites ?
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4 x 4 vehicle necessary in Iceland ?
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oh wow!
you must know there are many roads in Iceland you can't drive with a regular car...
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monica - the OP is only renting cars for a day to go to see the main sights, he's not driving across the highlands!
Andrew - you don't need a 4x4 for the sorts of trips you are looking at. yes, 4x4s are necessary if you're going to do some serious off-roading on F roads, but you aren't allowed to take rental cars on F roads anyway, so it doesn't apply.
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andrew = i see from another thread that you just got back from Iceland.
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Andrew - you've suddenly appeared on several threads mentioning your wonderful car hire.
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well, Andrew, i hope that i can be forgiven a little scepticism given that you suddenly appeared praising a car rental company to the skies, and saying very little else. Thank you for coming back to out the record straight.
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If you are going to travel around I will just go for a normal car (you dont need a 4x4)
I just come back, It was amazing!!!!!
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Hi all, I really really would like to write a book. it would be called, "Acne, Dermatitis, Eczema, Psoriasis, and Rosacea - No one knows what the F**K is going on with your skin."
or: "why for every acne product or book there are as many 5 star as 1, 2 and 3 star reviews. Why some vegans/fruitarians/models have great skin and some have terrible skin. Why your sister-in-law seems to eat all the crap in the world and never have problems and you eat perfect and you break out at the sight of everything."
However, I am in no way qualified.
I was wondering if Paleohackers could help me petition paul jaminet or another respected, medically oriented blogger.
Series like Chris Kresser's - take these nutrients/supplements - are too general. I like PerfectHealthDiet because Paul deals with specific cases of people. These cases can serve as very good lessons.
if there's any medical researcher or other doctor (please Paul Jaminet!) or some other authority out there I would be willing to help you research for the posts.
I think there's someone smarter than I am who could help compile a cross-reference of acne types and effective treatments. Paleohackers are the only people I've known who have a somewhat controlled diet and improved acne - without creams or antibiotics.
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Without a doubt, Acne (like eczema, psoriasis, dandruff, other skin conditions) has some of the most complex etiology known to man. To paraphrase the Perfect Health Diet's Paul and Shou-Ching Jaminet and Leo Tolstoy, every person with clear skin is alike. Every person with acne is sick in their own way.
Acne is absolutely, at its core, caused by an imbalance and an inability of your body to process what you have exposed to it - internally or externally. It is a direct reflection of what you have taken in, and what you have not taken in - whether through diet, skin, pill, inhalation, as a suppository, and other methods.
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2) being cheap paleo - eating too much non-organic produce, conventionally produced pork, and chicken, eggs and meat. There is just as much crap on the dirty dozen (or fifteen now) fruits and vegetables that can get make you sick as if you ate cereal and milk three times a day. I was grasping to paleo so long and hard -it was a dogma! it couldn't be wrong!- that I couldn't accept that cheap vegetables, chicken, and pork could be making me sicker. Wash out for this refusal to let something be wrong, especially twenty-something people like me.
3) beauty products. your skin absorbs whatever you put on it, so be careful! even natural, organic beauty products. Some people can even react to beeswax, which seems completely natural (thanks mM)!
4) supplements Yup - multi-vitamins, minerals, probiotics because of binders or fillers, chemicals sprayed on the tablet and additional load on body to process the supplements. And sometimes no matter how hard you scrutinize, there's something in there (in the process of making it, or something you misread) that can upset your body. and also, Supplementing with too much of the wrong thing (or even the right thing!) can exacerbate #5, which is...
5) vitamin and mineral deficiencies. Many people find deficiencies in zinc, vitamin D, A, etc. etc. but fixing those deficiencies can create other ones. ALL nutrients work in concert with other ones. Check acucell.com for more information.
6) bacterial infections
7) fungal infections
8) poor organ function - kidney, liver, lymphatic (and thus skin), thyroid, reproductive organ function (like PCOS), too low stomach acid (which could be caused by small intestine bacterial overgrowth) or diet, poor gut health - like compromised intestinal mucosal integrity (could be caused by gut biofilms, wheat, etc.)
9) toxic household cleaning products - disinfectant sprays, bleach, etc. Especially if you have a leaky gut, which most do. (which is why so many see a benefit to GAPS - i.e. eating bone broth with meals).
Things which can help acne: 1) being paleo, perfect health diet, primal, etc. (while figuring out your trigger foods or substances and WHY).
2) eating less, using less cosmetics, . I know i'm going to get crap for this, but when you eat less, and yes, you might want to eat less paleo food. Eating less, using less, can basically completely reduce the load on your organs to process pesticides, hormones, the food, etc.
3) no-poo (i.e. less shampooing, going for less or more natural beauty treatments)
4) supplements - to help naturally correct vitamin and mineral deficiencies. or probiotics, to improve the good bacteria in the gut.
5) anti-biotics (natural, herbal supplements or manmade) (with trade-offs for the man-made ones)
6) anti-fungals (natural, herbal supplements or manmade) (with trade-offs for the man-made ones)
7) Doubt EVERYTHING you eat, are exposed to, supplement with, sleep on, etc. etc. etc.
SO when someone tells you avoid dairy, go low-carb, drink bone broth, do GAPS, etc. etc. etc. guess what? it might work, but it might not. you might see a difference and you might not. what's more demoralizing? trying to eat better and sleep better, or spending tons of money and time and hoping for a fast and easy cure and being let down.
There is no one size fits all cure. not even accutane.
when you try something new, it could be better or worse.
When you ask people questions about their acne and treatments, there's no guarantee it could work for you. unfortunately, there is no one-cure-all. you might be low in Vitamin A, D, biotin, zinc, omega-3, and WOW the list goes on forever.
But be an observer. Be a researcher for yourself. PAY ATTENTION if something gives you acne (or keeps you clear) because it's telling you something about your body.
What I can tell you is:
(1) The diets on here will help you narrow the field down on what could be causing reactions. (2) There is no perfect diet for skin, but beef broth, liver, and fish are good sources of food. (3) Even more, get to know your local farmer. Please, I beg you, avoid pesticides, fungicides, and other chemicals sprayed on your produce. Think about the worker who gets exposed to that crap and what ingesting it does to you. (PS this was a huge change for me. See bganimalpharm.blogspot.com for more interesting discussions about pesticides, fungicides and implications for human health. yes, these are studies, but in my opinion, significant departures).
It took me forever to realize that the zits around my lips and chin were related to toothpaste. hell i never thought something so innocuous as TOOTHPASTE could hurt me. it kept my teeth shiny, clean, and it made my breath so much better.
Right??? So here is my request: treat your body well. don't put anything on your skin or in your house you wouldn't take in your mouth. Question EVERYTHING. the only advocate for your health is you. I think teens will learn this hard lesson early. I know it's been a hard one for me to get used to, that a doctor may prescribe something because it's easier than telling me to get proper nutrition, etc.
finally, to those considering it: research accutane, tetracycline, doxycycline. it's easier to take a pill now, maybe, but you will pay later on.
And I'm not going to tell you not to stress, because acne is stressful. it sucks. it hurts. but RESEARCH! and Question!
I think this is why so many people can get so much better on paleo and why so many people can get so much worse. why someone can be paleo for 3+ years and see NO improvement and someone else can see a huge improvement in two weeks.
I'm happier and more accepting of my scarred, blotchy bumpy face now. I do not have a cure. I don't think anyone who has gone through something like this can go back to their previous way of life. When I get a huge cyst, I accept that it might be there for 6 months if I want to avoid a scar. I accept that people love me, not my pussing oozing face. Paleo was good and bad in that it helped me figure out and consider foods I never would have considered, to avoid things I considered, without a doubt, to be healthy. So I eat "healthier." But I accept that I might continue to have pimples on my chin for the rest of my life, because of the many rounds of anti-biotics, because it's hard to control how much I eat, because I can't avoid X,Y,Z pesticides that cause me to break out for the rest of my life. I can't avoid fluoridated water for the rest of my life. I can't take back all the times I took antibiotics, didn't rinse the toothpaste out of my mouth, or ate a poor diet. So I accept now.
my acne treatment notes: 1) work out - really really really hard outside. and sweat your eyes out if you can. this helps flush your skin.
2) if you can't do 1, steam your face. get a huge pot of water, bring to a boil, and then stay with the pot and a blanket over your head for fifteen minutes. (Warning - if you haven't stopped consuming the offending X,Y,Z this may bring more pimples to a head) 3) take judicious note of everything you are exposed to. If a food or lotion or you notice SOMETHING causes you a break out, GREAT! it's a piece of information you didn't have before. very often those items might have something in common, but you will have to research hard to find out.
Here is my list of what can cause acne, compiled from many, many sources and personal experience, in addition to the list above:
1) histamines 2) tyramines 3) arginines 4) halogens (bromine, fluorine, and iodine) 5) high-levels of fluorine water 6) pesticides high in fluorine (cryolite, for example) 7) and every possible food group.
there are other sources, which I would be interested to note. Like an encyclopedia of acne.
Good luck investigating. if you're lucky, it's a short road! I wish for you it is, but if it's the long road - then keep in mind you will learn a LOT about the human body and yourself. you will stress a lot. you will probably cry. I am sorry for that but I know that you are a wonderful, amazing person, and acne is just a little part of the wonderful person that is you. you have a lot more to offer.
What I would love is if there were a database compiled of symptoms of acne sufferers and what fixed them. And then, instead of worrying what caused your acne and coming up with a million different theories, you could see where MOST people get problems and start there. I would think that most don't have an allergy to arginines or tyramines, but I honestly don't know. and no one knows. consider yourself lucky you have connected your overall health to your diet.
This is one of (in my extremely uneducated opinion) the least well understood pathologies. I am only a researcher. I only wish to convey to you what I have learned. My qualification is that I am obsessed, I have trolled many acne.org message boards, and I hate that people have to be depressed and suffer over something so uselessly.
Other points:
1) going too low-carb can exacerbate acne and improve acne. why? http://chriskresser.com/episode-15-dr-paul-jaminet-on-chronic-infections-depression-more If your acne (or skin condition) is caused by a pathogen, it has mitochondria. Pathogens like fungi and protozoa can metabolize ketones for energy. Bacteria and viruses can't, and so if you go on a ketogenic diet you'll starve bacteria and viruses but you'll feed fungi and protozoa. And so a simple thing to do is go on a ketogenic diet for a while, do your symptoms get worse or better. And that can tell you which class of pathogen you have, one with mitochondria or one that doesn't have mitochondria.
you could try a fast with coconut oil, which will generate ketones, and see if your symptoms get better or worsen. See Perfect health diet for more information.
what do you all think? book material?
Other chapters: 2) viruses, funguses, and parasites, oh my! 3) Nutrition - vitamins and Minerals work together 4) Being a detective 5) Some strategies to avoid spending $100's of dollars to "cure" yourself 6) Getting personalized recommendations (and not going crazy in the process)
Paul Jaminet wrote a while ago that he has a lot of notes on acne and wanted to do a series on it. My dream would be to help him compile his notes for a post (or maybe even to include in perfect health diet - acne edition). I have so much information that I've compiled and yet I know there's so much more to obtain.
I had always wondered about the lip pimples, etc...I mean, I KNOW I don't have herpes, but I'll get these pimples on my lip randomly and it's the most obvious, annoying and painful place.
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Answer by SansPizza 296 · Jan 16 '13 at 05:31 AM
This post made me want to cry. I mean that in the best way possible, I struggle with acne and I eat strict Paleo and take supposedly acne fighting supplements and always always wash and moisturize my face (and hair,) with coconut oil.
My back is also a horrific breeding ground for acne and it makes me feel extremely unattractive. You brought up a valid point though, people love me for me, my nasty skin doesn't seem to make a difference.
Although, I'd do just about anything to have clear skin. So, write a book. Cure the universe of acne. Revolutionize dermatology. Save the world. Bye.
Coconut oil is comodongenic. It may cause problems with breaking out if you are using it to moisturize. Some people do not have problems with it, but they are the exception, not the rule.
Not that this will solve anything completely, but trying a different oil/moisturizer may help.
Answer by Varelse 10621 · Nov 07 '12 at 01:31 AM
I would add poor gut health as a possible cause of or contributor to acne. Probiotics, either in commercial form or home-fermented products, are often used to try to contribute to a healthy gut flora. I have also heard of such things as fecal transplants, but I should say I don't really know much about that, nor do I really want to learn more.
Answer by Katie 19 17 · Nov 07 '12 at 12:58 AM
What we eat does affect our skin. I have never had acne in my life or even pimples as a teenager until now, and I am 70 years old. It came with the carb intolerance I was diagnosed with. So if I want clear skin, I have to eat close to a paleo diet. If I fall off the wagon, I will have breakouts that antibiotics can't touch.
Answer by margarets 0 · Nov 06 '12 at 04:40 PM
"Acne is absolutely, at its core, caused by an imbalance and an inability of your body to process what you have exposed to it - internally or externally. It is a direct reflection of what you have taken in, and what you have not taken in"
Nope. I used to have acne and my dermatologist made it clear that in study after study, no connection has been shown between diet and acne. Plus there are various kinds of acne. I don't have acne now, but I get exposed to a bunch of the things on your list. (I have no doubt that those things are bad for us in other ways.)
The periods when I had acne were also periods of extreme stress. The biggest part of the solution was to resolve that stress (which meant extracting myself from toxic situations). Another part was to go easy on my skin - use gentle cleansers, no picking!, and moisturizing. I tend to break out when my skin gets dry (probably the glands over-produce to compensate) and of course many acne cleansers are extremely drying. I cleanse just once per day, in my morning shower. At night it's just a wipe with a warm washcloth, followed by an AHA/BHA moisturizer (not too strong).
Finally, I take evening primrose oil capsules, 2000mg in the morning and the evening (4000mg total). I tried this as a PMS cure, which didn't work, but I noticed my skin and hair and cuticles looked GREAT on it, so that sealed the deal. Maybe it's the essentially fatty acids, the anti-inflammatory properties? I don't know. But it's easy to try and won't hurt you. Oh, take it ORALLY, don't put it on your skin.
Of course, you should eat a good diet anyway, but don't rake yourself over the coals if you fall off the wagon. Be gentle with yourself, and your skin, and don't try too many remedies at once. Just one at a time, to narrow down the variables.
As a book? Someone in the publishing industry would be better able to advise you.
What I notice is that you say you've learned to accept your acne, i.e. you still have it. Which doesn't help to support your claims that you have figured out the causes of acne.
You say acne can be caused by "everything", including things that people can't really avoid, so I'm not sure how helpful that is. Plus, loads of people are doing/eating the opposite of everything you suggest, and have good skin. That is pretty strong contradictory evidence that you will have to account for somehow."I'm sorry but your dermatologist is wrong."
It sounds like, at best, you've managed your acne down to 1-2 pimples per week, but you're not really sure why. Dermatologists draw on the experience of their peers, science, and the thousands of acne patients they see over the course of their careers. Are you really claiming that you - alone - have somehow stumbled on an acne cure that they somehow missed?
They already do."And maybe that's the point of the book too - to get doctors to admit they don't always know everything!"
They already do. Look up some medical journals. They are full of caveats and qualifiers precisely because there is a limit to their knowledge. Frequently they just come right out and say they don't know.
Anyway, a publisher can tell you if your book is marketable.Doctors will swear up and down diet has nothing to do with acne...but they're wrong. I've found dairy, fish/seaweed, and gluten are all triggers for me. If I eat more than trace amounts of any of those things I've got big, painful, scarring zits within two weeks. I've tested each substance multiple times, one at a time. Diet most definitely causes acne for some people.
Answer by Adel-Alexander 17 · Jul 02 '13 at 09:29 PM
Try and go on thelovevitamin.com and download the person's e-book! Really! it's an amazing place where you can learn a lot about your acne condition and how to cure it! I kid you not!
Answer by Susan Yoga 1 · Jul 27 '13 at 09:31 AM
Omega-3 and fatty acids rich foods like salmon, flax seeds and walnuts, will give your skin an instant glow and reduce inflammation. Eat vitamin C rich foods like Mmlons, oranges, tomatoes, and strawberries. Drink water it's good for your skin and for your whole body (Watermelon, cucumbers and parsley). Olive oil lotion absorbs into skin without clogging pores, allowing skin to breathe which in turn help prevent acne. If you want to use any cream for acne you can go for Renova Retin A Cream, which is one of the best and popular med for skin care.
Answer by danno 56 · Feb 02 at 03:53 AM
Pretty Good Resource, perhaps when you get your blog live you can post it and keep in touch as I myself am currently writing a blog offline soon to be launched about acne elimination through nutrition.
Some acne sufferers who have sensitivies to citrus, oxalates and nightshades get cystic and regular pimples as a result.
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El Dorado County Supervisors, on Nov. 5, determined that a proposed ARCO gas station and mini-mart on Green Valley Road at Sophia Parkway in El Dorado Hills may proceed with a minor modification to its approved plan. Board action included denial of an appeal by local resident Amy Anders that could have delayed the project by as much as a year.
The county's planning commission attached a substantial list of mitigation requirements and unanimously approved the project in September, after which Anders filed her appeal. She is the owner of the Green Valley Center, a commercial site near the proposed project. Anders acknowledged to the board that her appeal was primarily based on what she considers a lack of validity in the California Environmental Quality Act documents related to the project. She told supervisors that she had several relevant concerns but focused on traffic and safety as the foundation of her testimony on Tuesday. She said issues including roadway Level of Service and the prevailing speed on Green Valley Road were not addressed in the CEQA process and that the entire project should have had a full Environmental Impact Report.
She stated that the Planning Commission made its decision to approve the project on inaccurate or incomplete data and urged supervisors to uphold her appeal and send the project back to the planning commission and "back for expert analysis."
Anders set a trend that lasted throughout the hearing when she acknowledged and repeated several more times that she is "not a traffic engineer." District 1 Supervisor Ron Mikulaco later also clarified that he is "not a traffic engineer," as did deputy county counsel Dave Livingston. Though figuring prominently in the Anders appeal, county engineering staff assured the board that the traffic engineering component of the proposed project was professionally produced and valid.
Mikulaco asked Department of Transportation engineer Dave Spiegelberg midway through the meeting, "Are we creating an unsafe situation?"
"I believe we are not creating an unsafe situation," Spiegelberg replied. He had earlier confirmed his "professional" agreement with the traffic analyses and conclusions contained in the project's environmental impact documents.
The main safety concern centered on the length and width of the turning area from Green Valley Road into the project and introduced engineering terms such as "drop lane" and "deceleration lane" and a "tapered entrance." According to the traffic analysis, the developer could "mitigate" the project in such a way as to allow safe ingress and egress with a slight widening of the existing lane. And the impact documents support that conclusion.
Project representative Dan Goalwin challenged Anders over the traffic and safety questions saying, "all CEQA agrees, it's not a problem (as do the engineers and Planning Commission). No experts think a deceleration lane is necessary."
Goalwin later characterized his client's reported willingness to modify the project with some kind of turn lane as "a compromise."
A standard deceleration lane was described as slightly more than 400 feet, but the parcel in question would only allow about half of that distance paralleling Green Valley Road. Goalwin again noted that "none of our experts said it is necessary … and I don't (overrule) the experts."
Perception of both the problem and proposed solution played some part in the general discussion and ultimately in the board's decision. Mitigation of known or anticipated impacts is part of the approval process. That mitigation of increased traffic may not occur within the next several years is commonplace in land development. In effect, the experts say a project will create an impact, but mitigation measures eventually will correct or at least limit the negatives associated with that impact. Because of the county's established Capital Improvement Program for roads, traffic and safety issues in the project area are on the schedule to be addressed by future CIP projects the county has already approved. Alternatives to immediate mitigation include payments by the developer for future efforts in the form of Traffic Impact Mitigation fees that are considered "their fair share of the impact improvements," the agenda documents state.
In CEQA language, the planning commission and later the Board of Supervisors may conditionally approve a project by recognizing one or more "mitigated negative declarations." That means, county officials acknowledge a potential problem and require it be addressed (but not necessarily resolved) before final approval. The "negative declaration" assures that a project will not result in significant or un-mitigable impacts. Norma Santiago, supervisor for District 5, stated early on that "the project is not a problem for me. I want to know we've mitigated it adequately." And later, she followed up on a positive response by Peter Maurer, principal planner with the county's Community Development Agency. "So we're just going to let it happen … and deal with it later?"
"Yes," Maurer answered. "According to your General Plan, (planned mitigation) applies both to Level of Service standards and safety standards."
Anders had included a brief video in her presentation which showed traffic congestion seen on Monday, Nov. 4 near and around the county line at the intersection of Green Valley Road and Natoma Road. She described the scene as Level of Service F which is proscribed by the county's general plan and Measure Y and asserted that the ARCO project would exacerbate the LOS on Green Valley and other roads in the general vicinity.
"I'm floored that you can't see that intersection is already at LOS F," Ellen Van Dyke challenged the supervisors. "A deceleration lane should have been required." Not to have one is "unfair to the applicant, to the appellant and to the public," she continued. "You need to deny this project."
Several other local residents voiced similar concerns while another two or three area business owners supported the proposed project as it has been approved. Mikulaco questioned whether or not the board would be in violation of its own general plan's Measure Y if it denied the appeal, thus effectively approving the project.
"No, for a couple of reasons," Livingston responded. "The study says there will be no LOS impact that (could not be mitigated)."
Concern with and disagreement over the Level of Service on Green Valley Road and other west county roadways have been core elements for community action groups such as the Green Valley Alliance and the Shingle Springs Community Alliance — grassroots activist organizations opposing specific residential developments in their neighborhoods. Van Dyke is a member of the Green Valley Alliance that led the fight against a proposed 49-unit development known as Wilson Estates. Earlier this month, county supervisors restricted the project to 28 homes on the property's 28 acres. The Shingle Springs group opposes the planned 1,000 home San Stino development. Both groups have focused their opposition on traffic, safety and level of service on rural roads.
Supervisors accepted Livingston's recommendation to deny the Anders appeal and "conceptually" approve the ARCO project with the addition of an acceptable drop lane or tapered entrance feature. The vote was unanimous.
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This is a clear break from recent trends as the board approves a project with noisy opposition in the room. Undisclosed in the article is that Ms. Anders owns property just up the road with tenants offering competing services. Evidently, she is not a free market type.
Reply |The article is not about what 'type' Ms Anders is. This is a safety issue. Also, regarding the Board's trend of listening to the public, I would actually disagree - they have continued that trend and they DID listen, and showed that fact by requiring the deceleration lane to be added. The decision is not yet final, and all parties are stuck in limbo until staff comes back (around Dec 10) with findings that verify the decel lane can be included.
Reply |Conceptual approval means that the Board is waiting for a staff report with findings supported by DOT input, the traffic model and an approved lane plan to finalize this project. The appeal has already been denied. Fight on if you must, but ...
Reply |Having an appeal denied by supervisors on a neighborhood business development, I too question mitigation requirements on a mitigated negative declaration. It appeared no planning commissioner physically viewed the project or any county employee. Traffic surveys were not done at the most strategic locations for level of service regarding measure Y. Information delivered from DOT to the Planning Commission was later changed on appeal to the Board of Supervisors. My appeal was based on safety issues. The mitigation to these concerns will be years away, or maybe never.
Reply |Carol Louis - Let's hope no Planning Commissioner has "physically viewed" any County employee!
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