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Although there was never a formal election or a gathering of the state's sportsmen where a motion was made electing me as their speaker, I am going to speak on our behalf anyway.
I would like to cordially, let's not forget our manners here, say goodbye to the polar vortex and its record-breaking cold air that held our West Virginia hills in its icy grip for way too long. It's hard to live the outdoor lifestyle when most of our back porches were colder than Antarctica last week.
To celebrate our uninvited guest's departure, may I suggest one of the following ways to rejoice in the out-of-doors? You might just find one that is exactly what the doctor ordered — a little fresh air to clear the mind and ease the weary soul.
--- Squirrel Hunting (my personal favorite) — Find a crisp morning overlooking a beech tree flat with the sun's warming rays as a backdrop to the scenery, and you have possibly just sliced off a little piece of paradise. Throw in a scoped .22 rifle, a good pair of binos and a few fox squirrels and there is no finer way to celebrate the warmer weather than that! The closing date for hunting squirrels is Jan. 31. (If you happen to find a particularly good flat on your farm, with plenty of squirrels, feel free to give me a ring and I will come celebrate too!)
--- Rabbit Hunting – All you need is a brushy hillside or old farm fencerow to throw a celebration that will not soon be forgotten. A fine beagle hound or two and a shotgun that shoots where it is pointed makes for some fine entertainment on a bright Saturday afternoon. Rabbit hunting is the perfect way to share in nature's bounty with others — a rabbit hunting party is a lot of fun. I fell in love with the sport the first time I heard the beagles bawl and remain in love today. The closing date for rabbit hunting is Feb. 28.
--- Late-Season Waterfowl — With the arctic blast driving in from the north, ducks and geese are on the move into our waterways. If you can find some open water and can get to it without an icebreaker boat, the hunting should be outstanding. I have been watching a few sloughs and backwaters close to my house and the ducks as of late seem to be piling in nicely. A few more warms days and hopefully the ice will recede and my little duck boat and I will have a date. I simply can't wait. The closing date for ducks is Jan. 25 and geese on Jan. 31.
--- Predator Hunting — In the last several years, predator hunting has grown to quickly become a very popular sport in the hunting community. Manufacturers have introduced everything from dedicated firearms and ammunition to technically advanced calling systems and everything in between to a very enthusiastic market of hunters. With abundant information on how to get started predator hunting available in print, video or a simple click away, this recent warm-up might just be the best time to get started. Check the WVDNR regulations for season dates and limits for bobcats, foxes and coyotes for daylight and nighttime hunting opportunities.
With temperatures a little more tolerable in the forecast and with plenty of great hunting opportunities still open, this is the perfect time to shed the coat of cabin fever. Go forth and enjoy nature's wonderful bounties. After all, we are experiencing a heat wave; enjoy it. I expect a full report.
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Outdoors fun is good for the soul
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Annual Biddy-Buddy tournament gives the chance to grow as players and friends
As good as they are, Tamar Slay and O.J. Mayo didn't just pick up a basketball and get drafted into the NBA.
Derby Dames begin new season Saturday
The Beckley Area Derby Dames will kick off their third season Saturday against Five 40 Rollergirls from Fredericksburg, Va.
The Dames will lace up their skates at the Beckley-Raleigh County Convention Center and the doors will open at 6 p.m.
The whistle will blow at 7 p.m. and the live roller derby action will begin. -
Team Air soaring into Beckley for first time
From the C-K Wonders, Chesapeake Panthers and any of a slew of Beckley-based teams, the Wendy's/YMCA Biddy-Buddy All-Star Tournament attracts more than its share of loyal friends each and every year.
Winter has affected Biddy-Buddy as well
High temperatures are predicted to approach 50 on Friday and Saturday.
Beckley-Stratton wins Raleigh County championship
It's been quite the career for longtime youth basketball coach Ricky Dillard.
Taking you on the trail not taken
Once I had a good friend that would relate many of the things that we deal with in life to the realm of the outdoor world. Hunting, fishing, trapping, and boating all served as a backdrop for his often earthy observations. As I stumble into my advanced years I catch myself doing the same thing.
Gyorko shows he has power, but Padres want average, too
Jedd Gyorko was a pleasant surprise in a mostly forgettable 2013 season for the San Diego Padres.
Earnhardt Jr. wins 2nd Daytona 500 a decade later
Through rain and wrecks, on Daytona's longest day, this was a drought Dale Earnhardt Jr. was determined to end.
How cold is too cold for hunters?
I was never one to trust a groundhog. Asking a rodent to forecast the weather is about like calling your grandmother to ask if her hip hurts to determine if it's going to rain. Nonetheless, it appears spring is on its way and winter is finally losing its icy grip.
A grouse hunt before the next snowstorm
Old man winter has definitely made his presence known around here so far this year. Last week, the first real heavy, deep, snow fell covering the hills and hollows with up to almost two feet in some places. Needless to say, it's been hard to do anything outdoors other than shovel out.
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This is first part of a progression series...
I was 16 weeks 6 days in the photo hence the sticker.
Waiting for you little one
I can't wait to meet you baby Patrick. You hold the key to my heart.
14 more weeks till I meet your cute little face! :)
Almost there.... I'm having so much fun documenting this pregnancy through pictures

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Interview with Director Yuyama (Part 1)
- What kind of movie is The Cocoon of Destruction and Diancie?
This year, we're doing a road movie for the first time in years. The setting of the movie will change many times as Satoshi and his friends continue their journey, from a medieval-esque town to a shopping mall in a modern city, all the way to the forbidden forest where the Cocoon of Destruction lies. The movie is themed around the group's interaction with Diancie and her butlers as they travel and the fun they all have as they move from place to place, and I think we managed to depict the fun Satoshi and the others have on their journeys better than ever before.
- What kind of Pokémon is this new Mythical Pokémon "Diancie"?
The Diamond Ore Country is a country deep underground, where the Melecie live in peace and prosperity. Diancie is the princess of this country, but she's completely unaware of the outside world. She's coming out into the outside world for the first time, and going on a journey with Satoshi, and while she's a bit out of touch with everything and her intuition is a bit off at times, that's pretty natural for someone in her position. Like natural diamond (laughs). We made use of these character traits to create a lot of humorous situations I think you'll all enjoy.
- What about the Rocket Gang and the pair of thieves that go after Diancie?
Diancie's main trait is that it can create diamonds. While Satoshi and his friends aren't that interested in such things, it goes without saying that a Pokémon that can create diamonds would be of great interest to many people. Riot is a ninja who uses Keromatsu's final evolved form, Gekkouga. Marilyn is a female thief who uses Fokko's final evolved form, Mafoxy. We designed her with a bit more sex appeal than any earlier character, to give the adults a little bonus. Earlier Pokémon movie villains have mostly been serious and focused on their various missions, but since the villains this time are going after diamonds, we're portraying them in a more light-hearted way. I think their amusing exchanges and interactions will be one of the movie's highlights.
As for the Rocket Gang, since it's pretty obvious they're were going to go after Diancie because of the diamonds, we actually had them succeed in capturing the Pokémon in question this time, so you're going to go "Wow, they actually succeeded for the first time ever!?". Or maybe you'll just wonder how they're going to mess up afterwards, but it's still something you should look forwards to seeing in the theater.
Interview with Director Yuyama (Part 2)
- How about Satoshi, Pikachu and their new friends?
This is a story about friendship at heart, so Satoshi is watching over Diancie as she matures, occasionally helping her out. But since Diancie is a princess, I think their friendship is depicted in a very different way from say, Keldeo, where it was very much a male-to-male friendship. As for the new characters, since Diancie is a princess, we made sure to include scenes where she bonds with Serena and Eureka, the other girls in the group, over things such as fashion and girl talk. And of course we're going to include a gag about one of Citron's inventions, so look forward to that.
- And Xerneas and Yveltal?
While Satoshi's part of the story is a road movie, there's also another major theme in this movie, that of "rebirth and destruction". While we refer to this as "the law of nature" in the movie, it's more like the workings of nature, and I hope we were able to express that well through these two Pokémon. Since the two of them contrast each other completely, with Xerneas' beauty and Yvetal's power, I think you'll see what I mean when you see them in action at the theater.
- What kind of movie is the short, "Pikachu, What Kind of Keys are These?
In the short, Pikachu and the other Pokémon go on an adventure in mysterious worlds: Not just one, but several different strange and new ones. Cleffy shows up with keys that can send you back and forth between different worlds, keys that are shaped like various Pokémon. So when people look at these keys, the more knowledgeable people are going to work out what Pokémon will appear, and the audience can have fun thinking "What Kind of Keys are These?" together as they watch.
Pikachu will be joined by the new cast members Fokko, Keromatsu and Harimaron, and we're going to have them close to the camera as much as possible, so we can have fun playing with their gestures and body language, which I think you'll enjoy. And of course, Nyarth will be playing a role as well. Look forward to this movie too!
New 17th movie poster!
Thanks to our friends in Parquecompi for providing the image!
New Information about AZ's Floette have been revealed through hacking:
- It will learn a new Fairy-type equivalent of Flare Blitz called "Light of Ruin" at Level 50 with 5PP, Attack 140, Accuracy 90. Holds the power of the Eternal Flower.
- AZ's Floette can't evolve or Breed.
- Have Higher base stats than its normal evolution Florges.
Source:ParqueCompi | Pokejungle
The first poster of the upcoming movie, The Cocoon of Destruction & Diancie, has been revealed by the magazine CoroCoro Ichiban. This poster doesn't reveal too much but does show that Mega Absol has a prominent role, and that there are three characters appear who have Chesnaught, Delphox and Greninja. Further details of the movie aren't known
Via: Serebii
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(509 Posts)I wouldn't expect many to recognise me but I just thought I'd say cheerio.
MN is not the place for me anymore.
Recent events have left me completely disillusioned and I just don't have the confidence to post anymore.
I didn't even make it a year! Shame that.
Wishing everyone all the best.
bye velvet
Sorry you're going for this reason Velvet - sure you don't want to talk it through?
What were the recent events?
Why the disillusionment with MN? What happened?
See ya.
What has happened recently? I hide AIBU which cuts down on some entertainment but does also mean I miss some things.
I get sick of MN at times and the bloody cliqueyness.
Viper's nest at times.
Might just n/c soon.
See you around yeah?
Best to speak up if you have issues I find.
Hey, Velvet, I recognise you. Why are you off?
Something happened?
Shame you feel you should go velvet?
I recognize you and enjoy your posts. Why not take a temporary break and come back when you feel like it? MN can get a bit all-consuming if you spend a while on here. I took a breakette recently, got back a bit of perspective and am enjoying MN again (except less often).
In any case, best wishes and good luck.
Sorry you feel you have to leave. I hope to see you back soon.
Velvet - I've seen you on some threads - I might have responded to you, and I hope I didn't say anything to upset you.
Can I suggest taking a bit of time away from mumsnet, then coming back to see if you feel differently?
Don't go, I like you, you are a good addition.
Tell us what's wrong, I've been here years, we'll get it sorted.
What has happened?
I recognise you. Don't go!
Wot hully said.
C'mon lovey. I'll stick the kettle on.
Look! See? The Big Gels love you. How can you resist? <luring>
Oi. Less of the big. It's baby weight.
Ah. That will be my head that Hully is referring to.
<strokes ego>
Where's she gorn?
Oi, Velvet! Come 'ere.
What we could do (if we were exceptionally workshy and sad) is hunt down the thread that has upset her and harangue the upsetter in pming her with fulsome apologies.
Or would that be going too far?
She's still here. I can see her.
Come on Velvet, tell Aunties Showy, Huls and BigHead aaallll about it.
I might pm aibu. It's usually to blame.
I'm going to pm her and make her come and tell us
<excpetionally nosey>
I think that when someone posts in flouncers corner that is exactly what they are hoping you will do. Along with lots of posts begging them not to go.
If I left every time I got disillusioned or someone had a go at me I'd never be on here! If Mumsnet is not for you then it's not for you.
I hear Netmums is looking for new members...
<Kicks Rhubs>
But we don't want to lose the good ones.
I have pmed.
aww velvet no!, don't go! I like to see you on a thread!
why you doing a flounce?
please don't go, you're one of the posters that usually talks some sense! (as are the others on this thread who are beggin' you not to go )
Don't make me cling unbecomingly to your ankles, Velvet. <glare>
You were someone else before but I've forgotten who. Anyway, liked to posts by you whoever you were, so sad you're Flouncing.
You've pissed yourself Hully? Again?
You really need to control your bladder woman.
I don't know this poster and I know she'll hate me for not being sympathetic as no doubt she's lurking and reading all these posts, but flouncing really is pants. It's just embarrassing when you come back and say "oh all right then, I'll stay!" The only real way to flounce is to de-register quietly. Then leave it 6 months and re-register under your old name with a number at the end because you can't have the original name.
She's a Good Egg, Rhubs.
Go and sort yer ducks out or summat.
Has anyone found the thread that upset/disillusioned velvet?
Shame to see you go Velvet. Hope you change your mind anyway.
There's a few MNers I would willingly provide bus fare for if only they'd go but you definitely aren't one of them
You could always come back under a name change and PM all the nice people on this thread with the details (no need to bother with Rhubarbo ).
I'm sure VS has already namechanged people.
Drama over.
Do you know something I don't thingumy?
Who was velvet before?
And who is she now?
Nah, I'm a nasty piece of work alright
I should hide flouncers corner, it gets on my tits.
<<looks around>>
Has she gone?
........ shame.
How about 'VelvetSn*0*w? for the comeback?
I think it looks more like VelvetNoShow im afraid
Gosh, what a shame
The worst thing is when someone does a really sweet dignified flounce, thus proving they are exactly the sort of person who should be on MN...
Noooooooooooooooooooooooo! Why?? Velvet don't go - you're one of my faves!
I'm going to message her on facebook. Then I can cyber-kick the cunts that have upset her.
I have only just discovered 'flouncers corner'. Why is there one?
I am sad about this. I never post in Flouncers' Corner, but this time I have been forced to. Forced, I say!
Ohhhhhhhhhh She's gawn off facebook too.
Who was it? Who upset her? <glares> Don't make me Advanced Search, I hate it.
Hi Velvet.
Just repeating what everyone is saying, you're one of the better posters.
I hope you change your mind.
What thread upset you?
I don't know you ,Velvet,but from the sounds of it,you seem like a valued member (and I love your name)
Plus,if Pinot says you're alright,then you must be!
<removes tongue from Pinot's arse>
I had a look to see if I could work out what this is about, but couldn't see anything sinister. Maybe its just the general confrontational tone that can sometimes be abit OTT on here.
come back Velvet
<arf> crazy!
<feels so clean>
Nice people shouldn't leave! Come back Velvet
Was it all the M****o stuff?
Oh no - what a shame. I recognise you, you are loverley.
I hope you change your mind.
She's deregged
Fuck it.
Crazynanna - lost me lunch. Thanks for that picture. < vomoticon >
Oh that was 90 mins ago.
Ne' mind.
She can still read thread though!
..... keep going
I like Velvet
moment of silence please for the one we have lost.
<<bows head>>
Oh bloody hell Velvet!
You just tip the wanker/nice ratio even further the wrong way.
come back.........
Does anyone know why she left?
I was just thinking that. I have stalked had a look but can't figure it out.
Blasted blasted twattery seeing off decent nice MNers
Do you think RL caught up?
Sorry Foofy
not sorry fooffy heh heh
No idea Hully
It's a pisser. Flouncers corner is so often nice posters.
I rarely read a flounce post and think 'thank fuck'
Perhaps we should have a nominations section for flouncers corner. It might redress the wanker/nice ratio.
I have been that far (holds up fingers) from deregging myself several times in recent months.
Not for any particular reason, just an overdose of fuckwits, and the recognition that if I am getting incensed at internet strangers using eighteen exclamation marks in a row, I need to take a break from MN.
OOH yes pagwatch, I have always wanted someone to start a shitlist thread.
I just leave for a week or so. My 3 weeks off in the summer did me a power of good.
If anyone nominates me I shall cry, big snotty tears.
Come back Velvetsnow, you have your own clique now in flouncers corner.
If you are nice (and I think you are), you mustn't go and give more room to not so nice people.
<waves to Reelingintheyears> You're in my clique now Reeling MMMwwahhhahahaharrrr! <evil laughter>
Oh yes Pagwatch please do. I have St least 6 suggestions. ( obviously unless I'm on someone's shitlist in which case no Pagwatch don't )
I know a lot of people feel like that GetOrf, I have had my moments I must say (if you don't recognise the name do the hover over thing LOL)
I'm sticking about for a reason but I have also accepted MN has changed and can't go back. So hovering over pinterest and trying to make an effort to look at the poncetastic Christmas thread each session to remind me of MN past.
Oh God not a shitlist thread
Don't make me prove that I am really not that nice after all! A deacde's worth of MN posting resentment will come pouring out and you will all see past the smokescreen.
Peachy you can type now!
Oh do let's have nominations. What fun.
I'll go first:
All the Berserkers on the pinch-cheek-baby thread.
<Watches caution float by>
I have two on my shitlist. I care not for the big time wankers, it's the sly fuckers that get my goat.
which thread Hully?
I must step back from the shit list.
Firstly I have my 'quite nice' reputation to maintain.
Secondly I would fret about my pile of nominations.
But the urge to point and name is like a throbbing scab of irritation.
Pick pick pick pick pick
Paggy you have a pile of nominations?
You'll never do it Paggy.
Yes. That thread was filled with astonishing righteous twattery.
<<admires lost caution>>
pinch-cheek-baby thread Pinot
I don't normally kink to threads and say 'go and look at this madness' but seriously, have a look www.mumsnet.com/Talk/am_i_being_unreasonable/1314296-A-relative-pinched-my-14-month-old-baby-on-her-face?msgid=27759887
Kinky <wiggles bottom like Austin Powers>
at red button. You cannot leave. You would not be allowed. We would make Justine hunt you down and make you come back.
a great big pile of nominations.
Oh yes. I should be in general health.
We need a mix of PARDing and
<adjusts cheroot, rides into town, twirls gun>
What is this new hatred for regular posters and people who've been here for more than 5 minutes, I don't understand it?
Yes and stop bloody name changing Peachy. I can't keep up.
Hello MissHoney. Ooo where is the hatred? I like a bit of hatred.
Pag do you remember on one thread someone came on and said she didn't like you as you had been mean to her.
There was a general sense of jaws hitting the floor in shock, then squeals of outrage.
Turns out she had mixed you up with someone else!
PARD = Polite and Reasonable Discourse. we had a thread for the encouragement of.
I remember that.
Vanilla, that's our Pag.
I think there should be a great Mumsnet war and schism, like post war Germany.
All the fuckwitz can go over there, we can stay here, and every so often we can lob grenades over.
OOH it will be like when the sales pages used to be free to advertise on, and the Pram Huns Row occured. I loved that.
Yes, even her sworn and open enemies back down in the force of her niceness.
No-one hates Pag.
It probably says that in the Bible if you look hard enough.
Has she got sworn and open enemies?
I thought there was just that one mistaken one.
Who here has enemies?
yes I remember.
I even apologised before she realised it wasn't me.
Ooo that woudl be a good thread. Might start that one, make a change from fave mner threads.
Well, yes, there was just that one actually.
Haha at you apologising for nowt.
It obviously made a HUGE impact, getorf
Oh getorf, a little line like that was how the moldies probably began.
I think a few people dislike me, have seen a few snitty posts on threads.
Well, let's have a few nominations then <<crosses fingers>>
Are we nominating wankers or annoying gits? Because there are levels of wankeriness, some of which are funny and some of which are jaw-droppingly ignorant.
Just marking my place as I seem to be missing things these days, and I do like to keep up .
Getorf, that thread is extraordinary. I really don't know which is more worrying, the op or the responses. All very weird.
Good idea tho. All the Frothers, Berserkers and Fuckwitz together, and all us lofty PARDS shaking our heads and tsking sadly at their flume-filled threads.
I actually think now moldies was a GOOD IDEA.
<rubs hands>
RIGHT let's start the voting. Who is going to be blackballed?
Are any of you on the fungals forum? I'm certain there are cross-overs to MN still.
What does PARD mean? <feels excluded>
<waves to Mary>
It was a jolly good illustration of mass hysteria. We could use it to explain the rise of Nazi Germany, or the Jim Jones turn out.
Everyone is liked and loathed aren't they?
There are a few fuckers on here that would upset me if they said they liked me. I would wonder what I had done wrong that they thought I was a peer.
Their dislike suits me fine.
Read the thread. Look, 2 posts back: Polite and Reasonable Discourse.
Pag - on here? On THIS thread?
I know - some very good advice on that thread which is better than the 75 posts of vitriol and bile madness.
I don't think it's proper hatred Hully, more sneeriness.
See the nutters that turn up on here are why I never started a actual thread about immacing the baby, in case they started calling me an abuser. Instead I mentioned in passing a loooong time afterward.
But the regulars are special. Getorf decided to let me off the hook, in case I had performed the act on religious grounds, which was a very Mnetty attitude and I still laugh at love her for it
Didn't the original PARD thread get deleted? Due to a ruck of some type, and someone taking offense and reporting .
Most peculiar.
I started a thread about how hard it was to just discuss something without the pitchfork wielders picking sides and bludgeoning each other.
From that a call went out across the land for polite and reasonable discourse. Like a beacon of hope.
No not on here. You big old foofyshmooshyperson.
is this entirely legal?
Right, Honeydragon, that needs more explanation . You immaced a baby?
Look Velvet, you've got your own quiche now, the "Parding Moldies who don't want SnowVelvet to leave" thread. AKA, the Snowies. You could join the select few who have spawned their own clique if you run back soon. This could be bigger than the Nobdies, bigger than the Wolves with their random js.
Oh, immac.
Fair enough. Hairy babies are a big turn off.
I mean on mn in general.
I love almost everyone on here
<<keeps thread on it's toes>>
I like the PARDs idea. I also have a couple of posters who I cant stand, none of which have appered here yet
Just hope I'm not on anyone else's shit list probably not known enough to be recognised though
It might be more convincing if you got her name right, mardy.
Me too. Almost.
<ups ante>
The snowies sounds better than the velvets though.
The velvets sound like toilet roll weirdos
Or lesbians.
Oh. That's good < blinks back tears >
Not like I thought you meant me or anything.
So Immac?
Bye Velvet.
<<hoist. Petard>>
Shit list eh? Cool. I've got all day and night Because it may take me a while to type it all out...
It was an accident. Some got erm mislocated unknowingly. She ended up with 10p sized bald patch. It was winter, hats were worn
Haa I am laughing out loud remembering Honey immacing the baby.
It was on my immacing your pubes thread, Honey came on and mentioned in passing immac on a 4 month old baby's head, then fucked off for a few hours, during which time people froithed YOU IMMACED A BABY'S HEAD and i in typical mumsnet fashion said 'perhaps Honey did it for cultural reasons' (rememnbering a vague thing I had read about some asian baby heads being shaved).
<bangs head on desk>
It's been a long morning. I lost it in a queue in Sainsburys earlier.
'Twould be called the Velvetties.
ooh I like the Snowies. I want to be a Snowie!
What about SoftIceDykes?
Oh, immac.
Fair enough. Hairy babies are a big turn off.
I wonder what my survival rate would be if I posted that on Feminism?
hey Shirl!
No one's made any yet except me cos I is hard.
Nil by muff.
Shirley! WTF was your tweet about yesterday? It earnt me a pat on the head by Alouiseg for being a dunce
nil by muff <arf> ver good
I'd like to nominate the arse starting a petition about 'abuse' in special school.
Because a petition in chat is a great idea compared to, you know, reporting it.
Well if she flounced because of a feminism thread then she has my full commisserations and understanding.
I won't make the mistake of posting on there again!
Anyway, is she back yet?
Getorf, I was trying to point out if a baby suffered no ill effects than it was probably fine to shove on your chuff. But on hindsight more explanation may have been called for before fucking off to the shop.
Or this could be the "flouncies".
Go Pag!
Not that I don't think Rhubs.
Please let's not go there. <Rubs arnica all over self>
Roaring with laughter at "if a baby suffered no ill effects than it was probably fine to shove on your chuff"
Yeah sorry about the name. Was reading one of those reactivated old threads the other day and admired someone's name
Agreed with a lot of their posts too, talked sense, wise old bird
Dug a bit
Was me ( / ) so thought I would have it back for a little while LOL
Mardy it's not a clique as you know it, it's a moveable PARD fest. Much nicer, and infinitely more welcoming and polite.
Velvet always makes me think of a friend's crushed polyester burgundy velvet smock circa 1984. Bad. Whereas snowie makes me think of the yummy snowy road cakes in this month's Good Housekeeping: yum.
I like the idea of a moveable PARD fest.
<waves to Hully and Pinot>
Pinot - I got a couple of spam DM's saying "I've read a really bad thing about you on this blog [linky]" It was obviously a hacky thing, so I was just having a laugh. <lead balloon>
I'd like to nominate the avalanche of bollocks which is AIBU.
I've started a thread about enemies.
Next I shall do the Berserkers
Velvet will be quite amazed if she does come and read this thread..
I can't believe you got away with that honey.
Did weeping mners not contact social services with, well frankly no information at all.
Why do people say 'i'm reporting this'?
Do they really phi be social services and say "well this person on the Internet said she thought someone had.... I don't know. No I don't know that either. Don't know. Of course it could be made up.Look I'm crying here!"
Phi be is a posh way of phoning.
hAHA Pag
I am crying sitting here!! I mean come on!! This is really really bad!!
I am in the mood for a row.
Tempted to start 'AIBU to think that women who have tattoos of flowers/angels/their baby's name behind their ear look like complete twats'
V good Pag.
Yes, someone who might not be a real person said something that might not have happened and I just can't bear to think about a lil bubba crying.
Message from VelvetSnow via the magic of facebook
"Hiya, Thanks for the message - I had a bit of a hissy fit to be honest and in one of my darker moments I decided I wasn't going to use MN anymore. I just felt like it was taking over my evenings, just searching for threads to get my teeth into really and finding nothing, not that there was nothing interesting on MN it was more just that I didn't really have anything to say tbh, and I always find that when there is nothing left to say then no point trying to force something.
Something also happened last week (involving some MN'ers although not on MN) which has really affected me and the main reason is that I have received no proper explanation for the reason why - and I'm pissed off at myself for allowing something so trivial to bother me, so that's why I've de registered (took me a while to find out how to do it mind you ) This is going to sound really silly, but I'm not exactly flush for friends right now and when you think you've found a nice group to get to know and then all of a sudden it's taken away it is quite upsetting..... Oh, it's all trivial bollox anyway - ignore me
I just need a break Jen, when/if I ever come back to MN you'll be the first to know! (You're a good un)
Please pass my apologies to anyone who has posted kind words on the thread. Now I feel a right wanker
Oh god, what a moaning cow I sound like here, I feel like I should merrily do a little tap dance now to balance the whingy ness of this message
You're welcome to copy this onto the thread as well (as explanation)
I meant what I said on my OP - I really do wish you and the rest of the cunts MN'ers the very best!"
Why do so many people eat too much?
Thanks, Pinot.
Tell her to read the thread. She's got loads of friends here, and we're Mumsnet's Finest <is that disturbing?>
AIBU to lock my baby in the cupboard under the stairs?
Aw, VelvetSnow. Nice message. Hope you'll forgive me for getting your name wrong.
AIBU to tell my mother not to make my baby eat a whole hairy coconut in one go
BLESS HER. Look velvet we are going to start a clique in your honour, we will have flags and everything.
And a dance! Let's have a dance. With streamers.
Oh Shirls I see I don't at all Well I'm a tool for racing to your aid with my sword aloft. I shall return said sword to compartment marked "You didn;t get the joke, tool."
Or 'Demented MIL has to move in with us otherwise we ill have to use her money to pay for care home fees, AIBU to put her in the shed with a calor gas fire?
I've got my own very own AIBU from Sainsbury's earlier but I am refusing to put it in AIBU because I know I was right when the words "For crying out loud, I've been waiting for ages" emerged very suddenly and very loudly from out of my mouth.
I'd like to know who the MNers are that left her out of their offboard antics.
Because that is very playground behaviour and NOT NICE AT ALL << capitals, see, that's how naughty it is. I hope they feel bad about their behaviour <sniffs>
No, I thought it was SWEEET Pinot.
AIBU to kill my DH with an axe in the face?
what happend in sainsburys mardy?
Oh gawd Shirls. <punches self>
AIBU to sell everything in my house for crack when I really really want some?
I got away with it Pag, but in another much older newbier guise I got a hysterical stern telling off for throwing foam tennis balls at my dog, despite some of the "doggy" posters posting to say WTF? Leave the poor woman alone.
Yeah Mardy spill woman
If I could be arsed, I'd go and trawl Pinot and Shirley's twitter timelines to find out wtf is going on, but I can't.
did you shout at people in real life mardy
I told a bloke at the rugby that he was an utter twat on Saturday. Dh thinks mn is leading me astray. And I am old so I come across as a foul mouthed retired head teacher.
Yes. We should inundate aibu until it disappears up it's own arse.
That's all
We need to know who excldued Velvet and made her leave.
We could then hunt them down. We could be like the A Team.
Baggsy I be BA Baracus (pity the fool)
I can't take it anymore. You a bunch of boring bastards.
I'm off.
What a nice place to escape to.
There are currently three threads going at the moment that need a serious PARD kick up the arse. .
People just get so angry and rude.
Does anyone know yet why Velvet flounced?
Oooh that sounds like a line from Dr Who, Toby
<<Twitter numpty'>>
Two women in front of me who for some reason had to spend £60 each to get some sort of discount/promotion. (I think they may have been staff). Lots of faffing ("shall I get the tin of Roses or you"), then one wandered off to get some more items to bump up her total. And then the other one hadn't spent enough and she wandered off too to find more things to buy. Not so much as an acknowledgement or an apologetic "do you mind if I do this?" or anything...
And then the words came out, and I did a double take because I wasn't sure if I'd actually said them or not. But I had. Loudly. At least I didn't swear involuntarily.
Valhalla really really shouted at me once when I said I would kick a dog up the arse if it jumped up on me.
I really like her though, she is very funny on many threads and I know she has been kind to so many people off board, even if she gets on people's nerves.
So what's happened? Is there a new clique? I like VelvetSnow. She's not a cheerless scrote like some people on MN.
I called a man a dick in Tesco's yesterday because he was telling the cashier how ridiculous it was that he lost his job for calling a woman a lesbian.
His 'hilarious' story ended with the line, "The funny thing is, she was!".
OOh Mardy what did they DOOOOO.
I am longing LONGING for someone to have a go at me when I park (childless) in a P&C space in the supermarket. I can then be sarcastic to the person in real life and then come on here and tell you about it.
It's like when I breastfed all over the shop and had all my retorts ready for when someoen said something amiss, or asked me to move. Nobody ever said a godamned thing. All the old ladies nodded and smiled at me. Where's a miserable old battleaxe when you want them.
LadyBeagle - see Pinot's post of 14.31
Yes I think PARD needs to give certain posters like Valhalla diplomatic immunity to be AN ARSE, because they use their powers of ARSE for the greater good.
ARSE - Arguing Relevantly Sincerely Eloquently
Look I have started Frothing Berserkers and Enemies freds.
Three parallel convos at once.
Link to threads please. Some of us are very busy lazy
Isn't that really annoying when you have brilliant comebacks just itching to get out and no-one says a dam bloody word
A Reactionary Sod who's Exempt
Oh I love Vallhala too. She's never shouted at me <preens>
Abs I just <ARF>'d at Velvet is "not a cheerless scrote" <considers making badges for all non-cheerless scrotes here
That's what I reckon 68% (accurate stats) of AIBU threads are.
Arguments that people want to have.
GetOrf. It was a classic British embarrassment scene. No eye contact. No acknowledgement of my outburst. No apology. Woman number 2 did that mock hurrying running thing back with the items she had grabbed. Then paid and went.
Maybe GetOrf and I should have a set-to in a supermarket and come on here and have the nice PARDY people see which of us is the more unreasonable...
I think 68% is a conservative estimate tbh.
Much better Getorf....cheers!
'mock hurrying run'
Yes let's meet at a Sainsbos equidistant from our houses and have a stand up row in the car park.
Make sure there are witnessed.
I once parked in P+T and a woman was just about to have a go at me. But I was 8 months pregnant at the time. She eyed me up and I stuck out my big fat belly and she backed off.
Oh no its not because of me is it?. I know you messaged me about the whole M**moo thing but i really wasn't offended. You seem like a lovely poster.
Bye VelvetSnow you're a lovely poster and shall miss you. I'm sorry that people may have been unkind to you.
If I'm ever in your neck of the woods, you're on!
vajazzle explain more please?
This is officially the longest flounce thread ever. I've just checked.
Usually there are just an average of 10-20 posts - sometimes more. Take note Velvet if you are watching.
Oh no, I think the PSM and the dittany flounce threads were longer. They were more focused though. Less ARSEing about
I love mock running.
It is almost exclusively women. You bend your knees a bit and do a faster running/walk thing. But no arm action at all. And you have to laugh self consciously or do exaggerate your 'i am in a rush' expression so people know why you are doing it.
Otherwise you might look a tit.
Most often seen crossing the road when cars are coming.
Abs - I didn't say it was focussed. Was just trying to make her feel better.
Was Dittany's deleted? Can see it in Flouncers' Corner.
Pagwatch not totally exclusive to women. I have a gay friend who does it too, although his partner says that "he runs like a chicken".
The whole Mitmoo situation when she said she had posted under another name. As i was new Velvet messaged me saying she thought i was Mitmoo.
Hence all the Mitmoo threads a couple of weeks ago.
My mum does the fake running thing. I always point, laugh and ask her if her hooves need re-shoeing
Don't know what happened to the dittany one, though I do know there was a loooooooooong follow on thread in Feminism.
PSM = Poshsinglemum
Read it one day when bored - am GUTTED I missed it at the time
I probably should start getting out more if this is the kind of thing that's getting me really excited at the moment. This and new types of cereal bars
Tsk. I go away to do some Real Life stuff. You know, really interesting stuff, like defrosting the freezer, going to the dry cleaners and then doing some shopping, and all this breaks out.
I'd like to be part of the PARDPosse, if I may.
As long as I'm not on anyone's shit list, of course
<whispers behind BIW's back while smiling insincerely>
<starts own Flouncer's thread>
Oh now now <pats and soothes>
<Feels left out>
Scared to flounce in case everyone says 'meh, happywho?'
I'm guessing no-one's had any replies to any PMs ? About/from Velvet that is, not about the shit list.
<pretending not to care>
It's a mystery, I can't see what has happened to upset her either, - unless she has been upset under a different name.
Seemed perfectly nice to me from what I saw, - shame.
Oh I like you molehappy. Don't go flouncing.
Constance - read Pinot's fb thing upthread.
Connie - I messaged her via the book of the face and her reply is upthread.
Absy - I bought Jammie Dodger cereal bars today for me the boys and I told the cashier how excited I was to find them Worra twat.
I'm loving some of the reasons people have flounced
- too many fancy emoticons
- lots of mners being unhappy about a Tory government
and a rather lame (let's be honest) flounce from Peachy. That woman's an addict - she just can't stay away.
Harrumph. I bet if I started a thread in flouncer's corner saying I was off, the only response I would get is someone saying "thought there was a funny smell around here".
You are clearly well-liked Velvet (deregging doesn't stop you from reading MN). Don't let the buggers grind you down.
<Hugs BardyMa >
Thanks Pinot, you are very helpful
Shame, hope she comes back soon having realised we're not such a bad bunch.
<unsettles by Connies wink>
<buttons cardigan>
BardyMa! Like it.
Pinot If your in contact with velvet, can't you try to convince her that she is well loved here, and to come back with a name change
I'll message her again with a link to this thread. Tis a good idea, Dreams
What steam is it you're dreaming of, if I may be so bold as to ask? Steam trains? Facial steaming to open pores to assist blackhead degunking? Steaming ?
I agree with Dumbledoresgirl ...
Sorry for the lop-sided
It has a few variations. I am involved with steam traction engine and fairground scene and steam trains but I try to ignore that if possible I am also quite partial to a steamy dream of the bedtime variety so it works well on that side aswell, also will never turn down a steamy
Oh it speaks volumes that I negated to provide a steamy dream option.
<padlocks knickers>
aww, I feel sorry for you now. Everyone needs a steamy dream in their life. perhaps too much pinot before bed it to blame.
Ah, what she posted on Facebook, doesn't that sound awfully familiar? To some Christmas scandal?
You know velvet - ok I don't know you, but I learnt a harsh lesson from Mumsnet. These people are not friends. They don't know you from Adam and the people who are being all nice and friendly one minute can turn into your worst enemy the next. I had one Mumsnetter who used to MSN me and I stupidly told her some family background and a bit about my depression. When I disagree with her on a thread she used that to question my sanity and therefore my argument and before I knew it, her other friends were employing the same tactics. I later learnt that she copied MSN chats and shared them amongst others.
Another friend whom I had met in real life turned against me because of a run-in she had with Custy regarding a certain mouldies group. I got a very long and very nasty email from her accusing me of all sorts and it was mainly this response that changed my mind from not being arsed about the stupid private group to being very vocal about it.
Now what I do is to keep my private identity very private. I do not befriend Mumsnetters on Facebook, I do not reveal my name and when I do (like at meet-ups) it is my maiden name. Because it's a horrible thing to happen and leaves you feeling vulnerable and foolish. But believe me, I've been there and so have a lot of other people. Yet there is a lot of love and kindness on Mumsnet that outweighs the bad.
Get back to your real life, then when you're feeling stronger re-join under a different name, like VelvetSnow0 .
Hope you're feeling better about it all soon.
See, I CAN be nice!
<wipes a tear>
I still luff you rhubs x
Ahhh Rhubs that was luffly
And for Dreams .... <<runs nekkid through thread>> (just to liven myself up, ya know)
I have a sudden urge to MN-befriend Rhurbarb just to be annoying
That WAS very nice of you Rhubarb...
<<averts eyes from Pinots nekkidness>>
Good on you Pinot!dear lord
heh heh
Luff you too lulu!
What is MN befriend? Surely there isn't a bloody friend scheme on Mumsnet is there? Please tell me not! I might just puke.
Pinot - I can out-minge you anytime love!
Most MNers are MN Friends with each other, Rhubs. It's only the unpopular ones who aren't.
My MN Friend count is currently at 653.
Did I tell you you have a lovely, unsundamaged decolletage btw?
652 - someone just Unfriended me
I only have four <cries> And freckles and wrinkles and crepe.
Huh? Seriously is this some weird Netmums type thing that you have all neglected to tell me about? You're all discussing me in the corner aren't you?
See if I care! <flicks crabs out of her minge in Pinot's direction>
<faints at Rhub's minge-off>
I have no MN friends <loser> I do have freckled and wrinkles though <high-fives Hulky>
crabs? Dirty caaaaahhhhh
Seriously. If you have MN Friends you can see how many everyone else has by hovering over their name.
But how do you get them? Do they sell them in Sainsbos?
Lidl more like <sneers as has no friends>
I cant see owt by your name Jenai
Ha! No you can't, I just checked out your profile! Lying git!
<quickly deletes all her pleading PMs>
I don't have any MN friends!
<<willing to be Pinots friend but don't know how>>
<<looks to jenai for anwsers>>
I'm not at liberty to say, Hully.
That's because I'm one of a very special inner sanctum of friends <deluded>
Actually there is something, isn't there? Hang on... Here:
MN Mates
I don't have any
Anyway I have real life friends so there! <looks about her padded cell forlonely, takes out a minge crab and pats it lovingly on the claw>
just found mumsnet mates but it appears I could just add anybody regardless of whether they want to or not, so knowing my luck I'd end up with a list of people who don't actually like me.
<<goes back to sobbing at friendlessness>>
ugh! I never knew that existed!
The MN Mates that is, not the crabs.
Hey MN Mates sounds like a great name for a brand of condoms...
Rhubarb - I know (a bit) how you feel. A now banned mumsnetter who knew my real name, posted it and my mumsnet nick together on her blog, accusing me of all sorts. Of course, none of my replies denying it got published, and the blog site refused to remove my name from the blog. It made me feel absolutely sick to my stomach, and scared me a lot, but I decided I had to get past it.
Your mates list is empty
Story of my life
<Eats worms>
<Ponders a Burt bomb>
Blimey, SDTG
Who are these people?
(That's a rhetorical question by the way)
I remember that STDG (ss?) It was awful
I hate to say it but some Mumsnetters use Mumsnet to make themselves popular and for that they will get in with the it crowd and do whatever it takes to please them. If you are not part of the it crowd and are a vocal Mumsnetter then you are a viable target.
However I do believe that most Mumsnetters are fantastic and this is a valuable community. But as SDTG's story illustrates, you've just got to be careful about what information you give out.
There are all kinds of weirdos on here who think that duck fucking is ok and who have minge competitions. Those are the ones you really need to stay away from.
Not rhetorial - PM me! Bloody heck. Happymole you know everything!! <jealous>
Ah the joys of being mainly a lurker....... I know alllll your secrets
I've got no mumsnet mates and I've been here for years :-(
Has anyone got any MN mates then?
Surely you pick them?!
I just added you Hully. Did anything happen?
I thought MN Mates was just to keep your Profile Private, or bits of it, anyway.
<covers Profile with flowery hat>
<winks coquettishly>
Oh, and VelvetSnow. Come back!
Ahhhhh that makes sense. SO Hully could now see my private photos. If I had any.
And yy, velvet - do come back. Look what you started!
You can friend mnetters through facebook can't you? Is that what you are talking about.
I have a huge total of one mner friend on facebook. Then I sent her porn by mistake.
Yes. You can have a Profile behind a Profile, almost, for people you really trust.
Well, trust not to laugh at photos of you, anyway.
You can. Best to have a MN Nickname FB account though, really, isn't it? Not that I do, but it would be safer. Or counter-productive, as you may as well chat on MN <head vibrates with Thinking>
I don't have any FB MN friends (that I know of). I do follow a few on Twitter though and posted a tragically beggy thread on Chat with my name in the title hoping I'd be inundated with follows and not one person responded
Pag, did the porn feature you?
I don't do Twitter. It's the whole idea of 'Following' that puts me off.
Why would I Follow anyone?
No. Not me.
That would have been especially tragic as I also sent it to my brothers, sisters and a few mums at dd school.
She was the only one who said "errr, Pag?" though. Everyone else obviously shrugged at Pag sending porn
I really don't know to be fair, BeerTricks. And I keep doing it all wrong and making an arse of myself.
It's particularly embarrassing and needy when I reply to slebs' tweets, thinking I'm hilarious. Like they're going to read them
Still, keeps me off Facebook.
Oh I love that everyone else was perfectly sanguine about Pagporn
Well, VelvetSnow, I hope you're pleased with yourself Young Lady.
<adjusts pinze nez>
Twitter, FB and Porn now in Flouncer's Corner! All because of you! <tuts>
Oh yes, I remeber now. It's so you can see secret private stuff. I saw someone's sexytime filmage baby pics that way
BIWI, nobody agrees with me anymore <sigh>
Whats your twitter name JenaiMarr i'll follow you. Agree about the sleb thing as well, i will make a simpering comment and get roundly ignored, although Nanny Plum once tweeted me
Jenai, you had me going there for a moment with your talk of MN mates.
And I second everything Rhuby says, but I would, wouldn't I?
PS wish someone would inadvertently send me porn.
are you lot having a party on Velvets thread whilst she's not here!!!
........ Shame on you.
Jenai - I thought I was following you! I am now though.
We're partying in Velvet's kitchen, Ruby.
And if she has any sense she'll join us. Lovely wine rack there btw Velvet
What a cool name for a resaurant...Velvet's Kitchen
restaurant even!
It's a bit like have a party while your parents are away.
<grabs tequila from the drinks cabinet>
Think of it more as a wake ruby, celebrating all that was VelvetSnow.
<whispers> do you think there may be a reincarnation?
oh I hope so!
<<wonders if MysticShed could channel something>>
<<hunts around for a ouji board (sp?)>>
ruby, I don't think anyone ever leave <mwah>, everyone comes back whether they admit it or not .
Unless they are fluffyhunnies and they slink back to NM, never to darken our doors again.
<plays 'hotel california'>
But isn't it okay to be horrified that someone pinched a baby's cheek until it bruised? I haven't read the responses just the op, but I didn't think it was 'madness' that it upset me (unless it was fabricated)
And doesn't this whole wankers v the decent ones reek of playground mentality? Yes there are some on here who piss me off and some I click with but I don't want to join any sides, I am past all that.
square, it's the hysterical "I'm going to report you for ignoring child abuse, please, please come back and tell us you have kicked the aunt out, the op needs heeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeelp in real life, is anyone living near her who can go over and check that social services have taken her baby away" cries.
Advice is fine. Interference irl is another thing altogether, especially when none of us actually know the poster, know the circumstances, or even know she exists, iyswim.
You don't have to take sides, you can sit happily on the fence like me.
happymole I pm'd dumbledore with my Twitter name, just to confuse her.
crazy I so want to go to Velvet's Kitchen! The barman will be the spit of Jim Morrison, and they'll stock Woods Old Navy rum.
VelvetSnow please open a restaurant. it'll be ACE.
No one is suggesting that feeling upset about a child being hurt is bad. But read the thread. It is full of and mawkish nonsense and aggressive pointless posts.
Some shining beacon of common sense went on this morning and wrote a long bit about having seen it on eastenders and so she was an authority. And that the correct way to deal with it would be for the ops husband to drag the woman by the neck into the street and kick the shit out of her.
If I am being playground to think that is frothing stupidity then so be it
I personally think running one's life after a soap opera is the way forward. But I'm going for Dallas. <saddles up and dons shoulder pads>
D'you know what, a lot of threads are pissing me off at the moment.
I stupidly wandered onto a feminism thread about a Cath Elliot article. On there I have been accused of not believing rape victims and actually blaming them for their rapes. I apologised to one poster for the wording of one of my posts that upset her and it wasn't even acknowledged. I've just gone back on to demand an apology myself for the stupid accusations hurled at me because I'm getting really pissed off at those posters who come onto threads, launch into a huge rant, throw around insults and accusations and then bugger off.
Tell you what my lovely ducky posters - let's have an uprising! Don't stand for these aggressive posters anymore. I think we need to take the bull by the horns and start to challenge these people wherever they are.
Let us stand on the beaches and throw sand in their eyes!
Rhubs, did you see Fresh Meat last night?
oooOooo Rhubs I love it when you get all ranty and strong <flutters eyelashes>
<wanders in> Have I missed anything?
Keep interesting threads to a minimum would y'all, I have a long 4 day drive back to England now and hate to miss out on silly fighting and massive love ins
I should be able to laugh but the 'i watched Enders, beat the shit out of her' was one of the single most depressing things I have ever read in my life.
I am trying to be wry but missing a bit
I haven't watched Eastenders since Dirty Den shagged whatsername.
His daughters pal.
What the fuck was her name?
I had a quick looky at that pinched cheeks thread last night and good God yes, it was a tsunami of frothing. Where have they all come from? When are they going to go away?
You know....Susan Tully from Grange Hill..
Sharon's friend.
I can see her stupid face and can't remember her stupid name.
Michelle innit Reeling
As in Meee-chelle, ma belle....
I really shouldnt be here.
I've just been through the alphabet and still missed Michelle!
Fresh Meat - were they hacking an animal to death?
I saw The Fades. I like that.
<for Pinot> RANT RANT RANTY ARSE FECKERS RANT
Old timers disease.
Or is it spelled (spelt) differently?
Are all these horrid threads in the AIBU and Feminism sections per chance?
Best thing I ever did on MN was hide those awful topics.
(Though I admit I am sometimes tempted to go on to Feminism and parade my 1950s lifestyle just to see if I can make anyone spontaneously combust.)
Dumble, Just go on am I being unreasonable and be reasonable. It freaks them out
Doesn't anyone watch Fresh Meat? It's fab, nearly as good as Made in Chelsea.
Pag, I can't stand AIBU. It's just so playgroundy. People shouting meaningless twaddle for the sake of it. And other people following the herd - we should rename this site Sheepsnet and have done with it.
But the feministas - I could really cause havoc there! Maybe save it for Christmas? <wicked >
I wouldn't bother Dumbledore, it's not worth it.
I have no idea what Fresh Meat is or Made in Chelsea, although I can guess at the latter and it sounds shite. I inwardly cringe with embarrassment when people prove how thick they are.
Gimme QI anyday!
Is fresh meat a cookery programme?
Fresh Meat was very funny last night.
I have wandered into Feminism once or twice and found myself in a similar situation to Rhubarb. It's infuriating, so I don't bother now. Although I bloody well AM a feminist and I've got a Sociology degree and everything so it should be like a home from home for me.
And yes another one here wondering where all these frotting fuckwits on AIBU have come from.
See what you mean about your treatment on that Facebook thread Rhubs. And I read that particular sentence in exactly the same way as you and Jamma (could feel myself getting angry on behalf of my dh) but am quite literally too scared to post on the F threads any more. It has been made very plain to me that I am not welcome. So don't bother unhiding ddg (hello) by the way, have you seen I have been having a concerted go at mnhq about aibu. I keep starting threads with lots of people saying yyyyyyyy gotta do something about aibu, but so far they are ignoring me .
Jenai - aren't the charactes good? I knew every one of them in days of yore
I have just been told yet AGAIN that I am some kind of rape apologist for believing in sociology.
Getting very angry now.
Oh and apparently you cannot call them a twunt, it refers to women's biology and that's not on you know <saves info for future use>
It's about time they knew they cannot get away with their bloody rantings and accusations. It's not on.
This will get deleted for being a thread about a thread.
No, we will stop talking about it. Consider my arse smacked Hully.
Yes but which thread are we talking about now?
I don't miond, Bibs, just reminding.
No, it would be a shame if it went pfffft as its full of lurve. And fond memories of Snowy.
Bibbity, where are your threads asking for the removal of AIBU? I would post on them if I saw them but my MN seems to be full of clique threads and pregnancy threads (must hide that too - sigh, there will soon be nothing left on my MN).
The fundamental problem in my mind with AIBU is the very premise(sp?): that of having to ask complete strangers if your opinion/stance is right or not. Are there really so many people out there who are so insecure in themselves that they do not know if they are being unreasonable or not? I find that hard to understand. So, assuming I am right, and they do already know that they are being unreasonable, or reasonable, why do they need to seek other people's opinions? Madness!
I much prefer the concept of WWYD? but that topic doesn't seem to attract many takers. In RL, I would never ask "am I being unreasonable?" of my friends, but I might ask "what would you do?"
Sorry for rant. I would post all this on a relevant thread if I could find one.
I generally find that all Mumsnetters, except myself of course, are on the whole very unreasonable. So really any such thread should be called Ask Rhubarb. Which is another reasonable response from your resident reasoner
I think you'll find that I am HullyVoiceOfReason. Acksherly.
I am always, always reasonable. I am so reasonable it hurts.
I very rarely venture onto the Feminism board, because it seems to get very personal, very quickly over there. And there seems to be a lot of attacking what you think someone's said, and carrying on doing so even when they say very clearly that's not what they meant.
And I don't like being told that, because I don't agree with them, I must be an ignorant woman who is incapable of thinking for herself. Err - hello - I am thinking for myself - and I'm not going to be bullied into changing my views (and it has certainly felt like bullying, at times).
Crikey at the disappearance of your other thread Hullyv.o.r. I spose it went because there was discussion of departed-but-not-much-missed Mnetters.
yes, twas the naming I think
Oh it's gawn!
<shakes fist> I didn't name anyone.
SDTG - your support was much appreciated. I just wasn't willing to put up with it any longer. That's how they silence the opposition and we aren't even opposing their views, we are simply presenting different ideas and different ways of looking at things. To launch into such vile accusations shouldn't be allowed. I've reported every post that did so.
And when I'm mad I actually get more work done so in that time I've completed an article on TV Aerials I should get mad more often!
Oh was that other thread spirited away? Aw I had named names and everything! Ya boo sucks.
Whereas, you see, I am undoubtedly unreasonable most of the time, but am strong enough not to care!
Have ventured on to AIBU and posted 2 completely unhelpful comments. Will now retire.
No one named anyone this morning, really. Day Shift more draconian than Night Shift, obviously.
I won't go on to feminism either. I do wonder whether the very fact that few reasonable people go there is the reason that it is so polarised .
<bites tongue>
Start a thread discussing, someone
Well the feminists are lurking on this thread - say hello! Now you would think that with so many posters saying they will not post on the feminism thread that they would start to wonder why and perhaps tone make themselves more welcoming? Or at least think about their posting styles?
On the deleted thread I named Hully, Pag, Custy and BeerTricksPotter. All sworn enemies of mine.
Oh no, it's gawn.
Whatever happened, when I left everbody was being very nice.
Oh dear.
I hope this sounds luffy rather than arselicky Rhubarb (particularly following my admiration of your decolletage), but you were brilliant on that FB thread. I am very, very grateful to you for standing up for youself so well and therefore making a stand for those of us who've been accused of being rape apologists in the past.
There is so much wilfull misunderstanding on MN. Not just in Feminism but on AIBU.
I did see that comment, Rhubarb0. I am planning a fiendish and intricate revenge, possibly involving sockies with equally silly names.
those of us who've been wrongfully accused of being rape apologists in the past I should have said.
I post in Feminism, Maryz (I'm lovecat in disguise btw) and I like to think I'm reasonable. I haven't noticed any 'unwelcomingness' (not a word, I know, I know), tbh. Some people post more abruptly than others, but many do that all over the board.
I have noticed a lot of people taking umbrage in FWR at the slightest disagreement with their opinions.
ImDave - there are a lot of feminists I really respect on those threads. Dittany was a long-standing feminist and she and I would have lots of debates but never once did she resort to calling me a rape apologist and nor would she even consider it. Her debating style was intelligent, thoughtful and reasoned and although we didn't see eye to eye on a lot of things, there was never any grudge holding and when we did agree we would chuckle about it.
But I guess the feminist thread is a victim of its own success - as is Mumsnet as a whole really. There are lots of lovely, kind and fluffy posters on here but sometimes it can seem to be dominated by one or two very vocal posters who see themselves as Head Girls and have a bunch of groupies who drown out any reasonable response with their aggressive tactics. So when you see a thread whinging about how Mumsnet has changed, it's usually because the poster has had the Mumsnet Viper Treatment.
BUT, having said that I don't think Mumsnet has those Head Girls at the moment. Not that I've noticed.
I had a bit of a telling off on a thread about prosecuting boys for sleeping with their girlfriends, and was told that all 15 year old girls need protecting from their rapist 15 year old boyfriends, and then told that I didn't understand the issues . I had been wandering around lurking, but I don't even do that any more.
Are the mumsnet facebooks threads loads of people in the know bitching about people who aren't there? I wonder if the stricter stance Mumsnet hq are taking on calling people on their opinions and threads about threads will drive more people to facebook.
Hmm, I think threads ARE discussed on facebook. That's life.
I joined Twitter recently under my username just to promote my blog mainly, and threads are linked to on there regularly.
Oh, yes there was a thread about that wasn't there Rhubarb [slight snigger].
God, the potential for accidentally offending people is huge these days.
Maryz that kind of thing is just so bloody infuriating. Thing is I'm not (for a variety of reasons) up to the job of defending myself properly. So I've given up.
Having read the thread in question, I began with a similar opinion to you, but then as I read further, and read some of the links given, I realised that actually, no, saying a rapist is "other" is doing everyone a disservice.
No-one was saying that your specific son/husband/brother was a rapist, just that you can't say that all rapists are somehow spottable. Society creates the conditions where men think they have the right to have sex above all else, and many men (who haven't thought about the issues) buy into that. They don't see themselves as rapists when they shag their sleeping girlfriends or pressure unwilling partners into sex. And sadly, neither do a lot of women. And yes, those women who make excuses for men's behaviour when they have sex without consent ARE rape apologists.
But this thread is about VelvetSnow, surely? Let's not drag grudges across the board, that's really not very nice at all.
x-post - that was in response to the 15yo boy thing.
Has anyone taken the empties out from Velvet's Kitchen yet? And whoever put their fag out in the goldfish tank - you should be ashamed of yourself
Don't do it here, the thread will get deleted and it's for Velvet.
Start one, really.
And I think that whole thread was full of misunderstandings and misplaced umbrage.
I think most threads need to start with some calm, measured defining of terms so everyone is talking about the same thing.
I think that's a bit unfair ImDave, I wasn't excusing men who had sex without consent , I was talking about 14 and 15 year old boys with willing partners (and I only mentioned it because I was explaining why I don't go over to feminism any more - I feel that many posters over there don't listen and don't discuss, they just condemn without reading).
But yes, I'm happy to leave it.
Mary, I think Dave was talking about today's thread, not your one.
Oh, oh, sorry cross-posts Hully [slaps self]. I'm off to real life now anyway. I wonder will this be here when I come back.
Erm no, she was talking about the 15yo boy one. Not that I read it.
What bus stop?
No, Rhubs, I wasn't. Hully had it. Please don't stir.
I'm a bit confused. I know unecceasary hysteria of the tabloid type is annoying but people 'frothing' about an act of child abuse is reasonable I would say. I want to know where all these interfering, over reacting types are?
Because I was abused as a child and nobody did a damn thing. It was exactly the mentality of don't get involved, don't over react that caused me years of heartache. Because we were outwardly a normal family. You would have thought the neglect and the outward signs of disordered eating and self harm would have alerted someone
And I will put a because that is what it is
Let's all leave it . Sorry ImDave, I got the wrong end of the stick, I think I'm a bit over-sensitive now about that particular thread.
Anyway, onwards and upwards.
<<can't afford to have another thread deleted, I have very few Threads I'm On atm>>
squarebugs, I'm truly sorry to hear that, and of course you are right in those cases.
What a horrible thread - really nasty to turn someone's goodbye thread into a bitch fest.
FWIW, I too feel too scared to post in feminism at the moment, rhubarb, because of your nasty aggressive attitude on that thread. So congratulations, if you think you've somehow changed the attitudes there, yes, you have - you've made more people feel unwelcome there.
Look at the mess of my kitchen!
<sneaks in>
Thanks for all your messages on this thread btw - Pinot sent me the link and I laughed my arse off reading it!!
This is the return of the flouncer I will wear the in my username to remind me of how much of an arse I've been,
Can we all go home now - I'm knackered?
Shit, think I made it back just in time!!!
Oh hooray Snowy! I reckon 99.99% of all Mumsnetters have flounced and returned ya know. Big kiss X
Welcome back Velvet.
Hurraaaaaaaaaaaaaaayyyy!! Welcome back Velvet
Welcome back Velvet
What about my suggestion of opening a restaurant called 'Velvet's Kitchen'?
I am going to call you Snowy, hope that's alright.
Hello Velvet, welcome back
<Furtively wipes away at fagburn on your counter top>
It wasn't me, honest (but I know who it was)
Yay! I'm sorry for what I did to your le Creuset, Velvet
I did take the empties along to Morisson's carpark though, to save your blushes come recycling day.
Shall I hand EllaDee a mop? Your kitchen floor is rather sticky.
Who are you again?
Welcome back, Velvet!
That was the part I found most amusing crazynanna - I burn toast me, and I've never boiled an egg!
Good Eggs 1
Arses 0
Welcome back, you are back just in time to change your name for Hallowe'en (though it will be well appropriate for Christmas).
We could keep a space on the Menu board that permanently says.."Toast and eggs off menu"
Well I guess we all reach different views on life.
I was abused all my childhood and I would have hoped someone would intervene.
But I doubt anyone turning up and shrieking at my mother that she was a negligent bitch would have helped enormously. Not least because my mother was lovely.
bibbity - Snowy is just fine
Hully, you can stop the hard act now - I know what you're really like
Expect a bill for damages, I'm very very disapp.....ahhhh fuck it...jumps in, starts a food fight
I'm lovely me
don't tell anyone
Can I just say, BeerTricks I noticed your name again the other day and I'm embarrassed to say that it was the first time that I actually got what it said . I've been around for many years too! <thick>
9.5/10 for the flounce.
I feel your return needs to be a bit more sheepish, but good effort.
Cheese You just saw the word Beer and your eyes glazed over didn't they..?
Just goes to show LoveBombing does work.
Welcome back Velvet
well done Velvet-a magnificant flounce!
Abs, I'll be more sheepish on the boards tbh, but it's my kitchen and I feel among friends here
oh and welcome back
Welcome back! So glad that the campaign worked
Just to say, I reported workdrivesme on the other thread - meaning that I thought her posts should be deleted, so I don't know if that was why the whole thread was deleted.
Velvet I think they must have! I can't believe I misread it in my head for so long! Glad you decided to stay btw, I've noticed you around and love your name and posts Pretty sure I say your name correctly though...
I'll look out for you now Velvet
Is that a threat, Rhubs?
blimey Rhubarb0, i've just read some of the FB thread and feel like tearing my head off, well done for keeping your sanity! I hate it when people get so enraged they can't debate properly (talking about the other posters- not you)
Glad to see you back velvet
ok you can all go mad threading about threads now Velvet's seen it....
<brushes imaginary dust off shoulders>
My work here is done
Welcome back Velvet! <snogs>
Rhubs, likewise but honestly, you opened up a little back there - cheers for the advice
Yes everyone, go mad they can delete my most favourite this thread all they want
I think that you can't intellectualise feelings. It is almost fashionable now (and born from intellectual snobbery) to scorn intense and collective feelings. It is seen as too tabloid, too soap operaish.
Now I am not suggesting that every bruise on a child should warrant immediate removal by social services or violence towards the parents but I also think intense negative feelings about such an action, if true, is entirely human and normal.
I am sorry you also suffered in childhood Pagwatch but I just can't believe that the solution is to do nothing. In my case, yes, I think someone telling my adoptive father he was a bullying, abusive twat would have helped me. It would have validated me and my feelings about him. It would have stopped me questioning my very sanity because I had been brainwashed and gaslighted into believing I was the one with the problem. I would have escaped sooner (I have no contact with him now) and been less damaged.
As it is I am rebuilding my life successfully but I feel so passionately about this that I am writing a fantasy book for young adults specifically aimed at the bullied and abused and with those themes in mind. I think it is important to somehow reach these people as the cycle generation after generation causes more damage to humanity daily.
Anyway I am aware I am sidetracking this thread. Velvet welcome back
anytime velvet me old mucker. I shall now stalk you
No one disagrees with you squarebugs, but if it is a pinch on the cheek from an aunt, and the mother hasn't even mentioned it to the aunt, then surely telling her to mention it and perhaps ask the aunt to leave is more appropriate that screaming for social services?
I think you keep missing the point I am trying to make.
The alternative to shrieking, shouting negligence and threatening social services is not to do nothing.
I fnd it pretty annoying actually, this persistence that the two alternatives are to shout aggressive abuse at her or shrug it off.
I have posted to the op that she should take steps to get the woman out of her house. Lots of people have.
They have just done it while recognising that an essentially good woman has been thrown massively out of her depth by circumstances she hasn't quite managed to process.
She is shocked and worried and needed good advice.
And I would have thought it was sensible to best protect the child by helping her mother to do something. Making her too frighten to ask for help seems to be an odd way to achieve that
Name calling, abuse, threats do nothing except let the shouter vent. It is quite a selfish act really
Yaaaaay! Velvet's back!
Am genuinely, unarselickingly pleased.
S'allright, Cheese. I don't even like beer though. Am allergic to it.
Oh right, I thought square was on the wrong thread for a minute!
Gawd, I can see why journos have a go at Mumsnet sometimes. Why newbies are put off. I also fully sympathise with flouncers and quiet leavers. Head and brick wall come to mind.
<<Tackles velvet in massive bear hug>>
<<refuses to let go with the determination of an octopus>>
So glad your back!
The others were drinking and it was starting to turn nasty! Please restore order to your kitchen and keep the love going!
Well done people, mission accomplished.
Welcome back VS. This has been an epic flounce thread.
Certainly been an eye-opener.
pinot I gave you some flowers on the MNHQ thanks thread for making this happen
What do you mean?
I mean nothing. Or everything <mysterious> <swirls cloak>
Ahhh thanks Dreams that's luffly of you my chick! Merci beaucoup <dons beret>
A cloak and a beret?
<style fail, massive scale>
I'm just being dumb. I'm always the last one to know things, thought id missed something...
<<just checking>>
<<still works>>
i only got 50 odd posts on my flouncing thread, if I had had 400 I might have stayed <<huffy>>
You'll never be accepted on the S&B boards with that sort of dress sense...
Ahhh Paggy. How I love thee <true>
<offers cloak to ABF to cheer her up> <not my beret. I likes my beret>
Fanjo - it appears that my best work was upon exit....
I've never had a thread go this long.
400 posts, but 390 of them were probably related to nonsense, in the typical MN style, I don't care though, it's all mine!
ach I will probably come back anyway but in a minor fashion, no more AIBU fights for me
ello fanjo I'm glad you're back.
Arseholes 0
Good eggs 2
aww thanks.
Well, actually, what brought me back is, I keep seeing people asking for advice, and wanting to help them..so either I am bossy and interfering, or quite nice really
and i was bored :D
anyway mustn't hijack velvet's lovely not flouncing after all yay! thread!
just spotted some good guys on here you see
Hurrah for Velvet and Fanjo
We'll lure all the Good Eggs back Willy Nilly.
Whoever he is
i was actually looking for a poster called WillyNilly there
Yay! Fanjo's back too!
This thread must be powered by Anti-Flounce Dust!
Wow, they are coming out of the woodwork now . Welcome back Fanjo (still love your name, I'm glad you didn't deregister).
Who else is out there?
Why did people 'flounce' form here though.
Surely it's just all anonymous internet stuff.
Because if you have been here 5 or 6 years it might just seem like good manners.
If it is just Internet, why go on one particular site at all?
Something I've always wondered..... was Flouncer's Corner a Tpoic right from the beginning or was it added later?
I may flounce. Then you'd all cry and that. Especially that.
I suppose so.
5 or 6 years on one site is quite some time.
If you did I would personally track you down, tie you to a chair and only leave enough slack in the rope to allow you to MN and eat doughnuts.
So. Think on.
I posted a flounce so I would actually leave and not come straight back. It worked, briefly
I do hope that wasn't a windy-up post already
I might flounce, one day, just for the crack. I'm becoming like one of the pirates on Davy Jones' ship, im growing into the MN woodwork. All that will be left of me is barnacles and shit.
I'm with BeerTricksPotter, Pinot! You're not going anywhere m'lady
Which one, Fanjo?
<snogs everyone> Nah, I'm hard as nailz me.
<distant sound of sobbing>
I am planning a major flounce somewhere else.....my 1st flounce anywhere
Pinot, pull yourself the fuck together, there's a dear.
This was my 1st flounce, bloody brilliant it was too!
<Might join some other forums and flounce my tits off>
BeerTricks - good question about whether flouncers' corner has been here from the beginning, or whether it was requested. I'd also never heard the term 'flounce' until joining MN
I had.
Was often told to stop flouncing about like I owned the place when I was little, so it was strangely familiar.
Can you imagine the first request for it, though?
FumingMNer: "I want a New Topic!"
MNHQ: "Why? On what subject?"
FumingMNer: "So I can leave of course! I hate it here! "
Yes Beer. I'm just being a dillydally. Thanks for the tough love <rubs smacked arse>
<snuggles up to crazy for a cuddle>
I think i'll have to wait until i've been here longer then i can flounce.
I was wondering how people first noticed this thread - I saw when it came up in most active but do some people regularly check flouncers' corner? (Not that there's anything wrong with that, I'm just not that organised )
Velvet, Fanjo, who else I wonder?
Hi Fanjo glad you're back.
This must be the magnetic thread pulling everyone back. Have we seen Dittany yet?
I noticed this one in Active Convos. But I do check Flouncer's Corner in idle moments. Every couple of weeks or so, just to see who has escaped. By then it's too late to post 'Goodbye!' if I liked them though.
Why did you flounce VelvetSnowBlush?
Everyone likes you.
<strokes Pinot's hair>
Sweaty - the reason for my flounce is up thread.
But when I heard of the lovely messages of support on this thread I decided to come back.
You see, I'm a little sensitive and I over think a lot of things, like I said earlier, I'm not too flush with RL friends as I've moved to another country (okay only England from Scotland) so I tend not to have anyone to bounce my girly thoughts off, I was upset but have also given myself a cyber kicking - i.e Man up Velvet and get stuck in
Not sure if any of that makes sense...
To VelvetSnowBlush
Are you Scottish?
Rab C Nesbit was back last night.
What a thread for a newbie like you SweatyBetty, to get your teeth into. welcome to mumsnet.
I'm not that new but i've been watching the threads and wondering at all the nastiness and bad language.
Thankyou anyway.
you get used to it, just remember what school was like, add frequent breaks to feed children and it's exactly like it.
Beertricks, I meant the one asking why people flounce when its only the internet.
I wasn't being entirely serious though!
Even though it was an err interesting question
I would be afraid to flounce. In case no-one noticed, or even worse cheered.
And after this thread any flouncing will be a huuuuuuge disappointment for the flouncer. I've never seen one longer than about a dozen posts.
Yes, imagine having to keep bumping your Flounce thread until someone noticed. Mortifying!
<coughs>nomination for MN classic flounce
Welcome back Velvet from what must be the shortest flounce ever!
24 hours HedleyLamarr, 24 hours!
That's a long time in my life
Although, I do conceed that I now come across as a bit of an arse, and I'm prepared to live with that.
Message withdrawn at poster's request.
TSC - you seem to have it all figured out anyway, nothing I say will change your perception
Message withdrawn at poster's request.
The nomination was said in jest, hence the strikethough and the (you've been on MN a long time, I thought you'd recognise that) but I imagine friends of mine would realise that I always joke about myself and not think a silly comment was egotistical in the slightest. But I take your point on board TSC, cheers.
I'm not one to "snark" whatever that means, but I'm sorry if you feel offended.
The rest of your post has nothing to do with me so not sure what else you want me to say?
Message withdrawn at poster's request.
<<runs in>>
Play nicely now children
<<runs out>>
TSC, are you having a shit day? Come over to the swearing thread, it's quite funny and has cheered me up no end.
<enters thread and knocks some heads together>
<Threatens naughty step and confiscation of all electronic games. Refuses to acknowledge that either party is to blame for misunderstanding>
<Shouts behave and flounces off to do laundry>
Ha ha - x post with Maryz
I've just found one of these in the bottom of my handbag. I'm so sorry Velvet, I have no idea what came over me
Message withdrawn at poster's request.
Laundry Mardy, surely not .
Love your name, btw.
<twirls> Thanks Maryz.
Jenai I've been searching for that!
I wonder what else you've got in that bag of yours
I have a strawberry stalk remover <one-up-manship> My MIL bought it for me for my birthday
Pinot made me do it.
<glares at Pinot>
Are you sure it was for your birthday, was your MIL in my kitchen per chance?
I seem to be missing mine.....
I'm being forced to flounce this weekend as my laptop is fucked.
I'm on ds's at the moment but then he's taking it with him to his Dads till Sunday night.
I'm going to miss Friday night drunkeness and the X Factor thread.
Do you have WiFi EvilEyes? And a DS? I regularly MN using my DSi, usually use my phone though. I hardly ever get onto the PC at home.
Thank you Jenai.
I asked my son to leave me his ds, but he's taking it with him and leaving me his laptop
Drunk thread here I come.
I've just worked out who LadyEvilEyes is <brain working slowly>
Inspired by that post I asked DS if his old DS could do The Internet. he showed me a list of neighbouring WiFi I could hijack if I didn't want to use ours.
oh, mumsnet on the sly!
Ilike that fear
Don't stay logged in on you ds's DS though for gawd's sake, Beer
God no.
Good grief I actually thought Flouncers Corner was a myth.
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Girl, 18, died a week after a hospital scan failed to pick up signs of deep vein thrombosis - even though her left calf was 3CM bigger than her right
- Laura Pincher went to her GP after noticing her legs were different sizes
- Was referred to the local hospital for a scan by her worried GP
- Scans failed to reveal anything and was assumed she had injury from a fall
- Suffered a cardiac arrest days later and died after the clots were missed
- Inquest heard she had 'massive' blood clots on her lungs
- Coroner recorded verdict of death by natural causes
An 18-year-old girl died just a week after a hospital scan failed to pick up signs of deep vein thrombosis.
Laura Pincher suffered a cardiac arrest after a hospital missed the blood clots in a scan recommended by her worried GP.
The teenager from Stourbridge, in the West Midlands, collapsed at her home on October 28 last year and was pronounced dead within an hour at Russells Hall Hospital, Dudley.
Missed chances: Laura Pincher suffered a cardiac arrest after a scan failed to detect 'massive' blood clots
An inquest heard that the student had been to see her GP, Dr Debbie Foulds, seven days before her death after noticing that her left calf was 3cm bigger than her right.
Dr Foulds sent Miss Pincher for an urgent assessment at the hospital, setting off a chain of events that culminated in the tragedy.
Dr Jonathan Tatton, a fellow GP at the practice, said: 'One of the things we would be thinking of was DVT - deep vein thrombosis.
'It's a GP's role to highlight the risk. As soon as you've highlighted the risk it needs to be assessed in a properly set-up clinic.
Worried: Miss Pincher had been to see her GP after noticing her left calf was 3cm bigger than her right
Dr Anthony D'Sa, a doctor at the Dudley Group NHS Foundation Trust, who specialises in radiology, said a Doppler ultrasound scan carried out the next day had not detected blood clots.
But he admitted: 'I don't think there's any test that's 100 per cent successful in picking up symptoms.'
He told coroner Angus Smillie, sitting at Dudley Coroner's Court: 'At any stage it's a matter of putting together how the patient presents and the blood tests and examination.
'We had enough information at that stage to say that there wasn't a thrombus [blood clot] within the legs.'
At a follow-up visit with Dr Tatton on October 23, Miss Pincher and the GP accepted the findings of the scan, concluding the pain in her leg must have been caused in a recent accident when she had tripped on some wood.
But just five days later, on the morning of her death, Miss Pincher visited a Walk-In Centre in Dudley.
She complained of worsening shortness of breath and a chesty cough - but was sent home with antibiotics and a new inhaler to combat her asthma.
Pathologist Dr Swapna Ghosh said Miss Pincher had died of 'massive' blood clots in both lungs, giving deep vein thrombosis and morbid obesity as underlying factors.
Mr Smillie ruled death was due to natural causes, declaring that the scan had been concluded satisfactorily.
But Miss Pincher's mother Jane said afterwards: 'How can they say an 18-year-old girl has died of natural causes when there's a blood clot in her lungs? That's not natural.'
Commenting on the inquest, Paula Clarke, chief executive of the Dudley Group NHS Foundation Trust, said: 'We would like to express our sincere condolences to the family of Laura Pincher for their tragic loss.
'We acknowledge the coroner's verdict that, sadly, Laura died from natural causes.'
In some cases of deep vein thrombosis (DVT) there may be no symptoms, but possible symptoms can include:
* Pain, swelling and tenderness in one of the legs (usually the calf)
* A heavy ache in the affected area
* Warm skin in the area of the clot
* Redness of the skin, particularly at the back of the leg, below the knee
DVT usually (although not always) affects one leg. The pain may be made worse by bending the foot upward towards the knee.
If DVT is not treated, a pulmonary embolism (a blood clot that has come away from its original site and become lodged in one of the lungs) may occur. This creates more serious symptoms such as:
* Breathlessness, which may come on gradually or suddenly
* Chest pain, which may become worse when breathing in
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