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Thread: Ishotu R12
May 18 2012 02:19 PM #1
Ishotu R12
Grats. Been a long haul. Good luck on R13!
May 18 2012 02:40 PM #2
Re: Ishotu R12
Well done dude, congrats!
May 18 2012 07:18 PM #3
May 19 2012 01:37 PM #4
Re: Ishotu R12
I'd congratulate you, but instead I'll step aside and let Bigdaddy do the honors.
The Spider formerly known as Morthil
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May 19 2012 06:36 PM #5
Re: Ishotu R12
Grats on any of the points you earned killing other players on the way to this rank
May 19 2012 08:00 PM #6
Re: Ishotu R12
All your hard earned points killing your own toons should be applauded! Grats on all the rank farming!
May 20 2012 02:40 AM #7
Re: Ishotu R12
That was a funny 1v5 today, its clearly gonna be a rough way to 13
May 20 2012 02:41 PM #8
Re: Ishotu R12
This is a joke congrats thread right?
If not oh my pugga a new low.......Auzue, Urukder
May 20 2012 08:45 PM #9
May 21 2012 08:07 AM #10
Re: Ishotu R12
Just to clarify my post was meant in a sarcastic way not in a positive way I did not see my name on the list so just wanted to make sure we all understand sorry for any confusion I may have caused. I was only giving him congratulations on the points he recived on his Ba prior to making the decision to acquire infamy in a style that the majority of the creep community frowns upon any infamy he earned during or after that decision to acquire infamy in a less than sporting manor that I personally find to be deplorable I do not congratulate him on and take offense that this thread was made with out any disclaimer that not all infamy that resulted in reaching R12 was earned in the style of 99% of the former, current and hopefully future Playerbase.
May 21 2012 09:51 AM #11
Re: Ishotu R12
First of all, someone called out Ishot for killing a sub-level 75 freep repeatedly. Said freep was actually playing and using skills. It is up to you to decide if this is rank farming. I, and many other creeps, have purposely sought out the level 40-74 freeps to kill. I guess that make us a rank farmers.
I would suggest that people start looking at themselves and those around them with regard to rank farming. Almost every freep rank farms. If you have been on BM, you are a rank farmer. If you kill a greenie you are a rank farmer. I cant tell you how many greenie creeps auto run out of grams or a rez so their buddies can kill them repeatedly. Anyone that tags them could be considered a rank farmer. All of the people who consistently flip sides depending on who is 'winning' could be considered rank farmers. All of you high and mighty freeps and creeps need to take look around before you start pointing fingers. Look at all the exploitation done freep side from high ranked freeps. Clean up your own house before you go pissing in someone elses.
All that being said, R12 creepside is a long haul. If you think rank farming all the way to R12 is easy, go try it. Let me know how you fare after 18-24 months.
May 21 2012 12:24 PM #12
Re: Ishotu R12
He was known to rank farm long before this recent accusation, just saying....
Rank 12 Minstrel, Rank 9 Rune-keeper
Rank 11 Weaver, Rank 10 Blackarrow, Rank 9 Stalker, Rank 9 Reaver, Rank 6 Defiler, Rank 6 Warleader
May 21 2012 02:35 PM #13
Re: Ishotu R12
Never saw him do it, dont really care if he did, all I know is this guy is always on, in your face, and up front in the mix. Hands down the most aggresive creep out there as of late. So grats.
May 21 2012 03:23 PM #14
Re: Ishotu R12
Pugga THAT may be the dumbest post I have EVER read.
HE ADMITTED OPENLY TO RANK FARMING, He said that it doesn't even work and that you don't get that many points from it!
3 years ago he farmed with his buddy Bigdaddylonglegs very often, it was common knowledge.
You people need to pull your heads out of your behinds.
May 21 2012 03:30 PM #15
Re: Ishotu R12
Rank 12 Minstrel, Rank 9 Rune-keeper
Rank 11 Weaver, Rank 10 Blackarrow, Rank 9 Stalker, Rank 9 Reaver, Rank 6 Defiler, Rank 6 Warleader
May 21 2012 05:56 PM #16
May 21 2012 06:56 PM #17
Re: Ishotu R12
The question here is, how long should we hold grudges in a video game?
I was one of those who once caught him farming one of BD's freeps a few years ago (by GV if I recall correctly). I called him out on it in ooc and his response was something to the effect of "so? lol"
I've also caught another creep farming a freep on more than one occasion s/sw of DG. I liked the guy and his groups but hated his farmimg, so it was mixed virtual emotions. He since transferred servers. And there was a third creep I saw farming a kinmate up at GV. This too happened a few years ago. It's amazing what you see when you roam a lot. And then there was the Grams farming a few nights ago. /sigh
In any case, how long does one hold a grudge? Yes, I admit whenever I see Ishotu, the first thing that immediately comes to my mind is "rank farmer" even though I haven't seen him doing that in a long time. And admittedly I don't heal him most of the time because of it (apparently I still have a virtual grudge). However, he is one of the more aggressive creeps on the server, and I don't think I've seen him complaining about defeat. He also sometimes answers questions from the newbies, and his ooc attitude in general is decent.
So do I keep thinking "rank farmer" when I see him? I probably will simply because it's ingrained in my mind after all these years. And his nonchalant attitude about it years ago didn't help. It's hard to congratulate someone on rank when a lot of those points have come from farming another freep who didn't resist in any way.
But I also don't want to be one of those people who holds grudges forever. I don't do that IRL, in most cases, so it seems pointless to do it in a video game when I don't even know the person, and his actions just involved pixels. When I log out of the game, none of it matters. And I really shouldn't have bothered writing all of this out since it doesn't matter, but I wanted to give people food for thought.
So.... congratulations on the points you have earned *legitimately*, and I hope the rank farming is long over. A sincere apology years ago would have gone a long way, but it's probably too late for that now.Ijustpassedgas Excuseme
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May 21 2012 07:09 PM #18
Re: Ishotu R12
First thing I think of when I see him is tool, but I've always kinda pondered that too gassy. Honestly I don't care if somebody rank farms, just makes them look bad when they lose cuz they don't know how to play their classes like you would expect. I have some respect for him now at least, everyone congratulates him on aggressiveness and he always does bring a good fight. Props to him for always tracking me and actually fighting me, over the people that track me and ill wait for them and they won't jump me until they have friends.
And before somebody says that I think its ok for somebody to rank farm if they know how to play their classes, I don't think its ok;however, I do think it doesn't matter if they farmed a little bit when 99% of their rank was legit. People always need somebody to hate lol. So grats on 99% r12 than.Jag
May 21 2012 07:34 PM #19
Re: Ishotu R12
Lol. killing a greenie is all fair game pugga. its not like u have greenies lined up for u to kill. u still have to hunt them. Bm is not rank farming theres still a challenge in earning the kill.
May 21 2012 07:43 PM #20
May 21 2012 08:06 PM #21
May 22 2012 01:10 AM #22
Re: Ishotu R12
is amazing how far this thread has gone. Like Gassy, first thing that comes to mind is rank farmer. It is just part of our nature to remember things that are either extraordinary (in the sense of beyond the norm). We all know he ranked farmed before, and massively from r8-r11. He did come around and started playing legitimately and earned part of his rank 11.
I think most people found this post either as a joke or ridiculous as, most likely, half or more of that infamy was farmed.
Point to take from this is, the guy has turned around, and I guess with time, we will soon forget or learn to accept him as another player in a video game.
And yes, Gassy the guy's comments in OOC seems amicable. (apologies if you are a girl :P)
May 22 2012 07:21 PM #23
Re: Ishotu R12
Some of you may have noticed that Ishotu is a member of Morgul Blades now. For clarification, rank farming is strictly not allowed. Following a Officer vote on his membership, he was spoken to about the rules on rank farming and understands what we here in tribe expect. I can honestly say the dude is very happy with us, and I don't see farming being a future issue.
On a side note, Turbine is solely to blame for having rank farming (a known way to cheat the system) not against any kind of code of conduct. But then again, they really blew it by letting PvE (questing) contribute to your PvP level... or as we know it Inf/Renown. Whats to stop people from farming slug meat 24/7 and achieving r12? I do know that doing such, would infact take some serious dedication, and concentration skills to do something so repetitive and boring. Kinda like rank farming....
May 22 2012 08:31 PM #24
Re: Ishotu R12
So the way I read this Bloodloaf is that its okay to farm your rank before you join the tribe but you have to stop once you are a member ?
You can lay the blame on turbine for allowing it but at the end of the day its the player that makes the decision on how they play the game just like in real life your actions dictate how others percive you and for me someone who takes the easy route and farms up there rank so they unlock skills battle field promotions etc etc to make them self stronger to compete on a higher level is a slap in the face of every creep who has gone through or going through the pains of playing a grennie creep.
Accepting this type of behavior will only encourage more of it but if some players are okay playing with Rankfarmers so there infamy bar can move a little faster to the right then more power to ya hopefully you can hit rank 15 before the last hampster dies and the servors shut down for good.
May 22 2012 09:03 PM #25
Re: Ishotu R12
Why do people keep trying to make comparisons and justifications for rank farming?
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May 22 2012 10:49 PM #26
Re: Ishotu R12
Thats right Caz, Ishotu technically didn't do anything against lotro rules. Do I support rank farming, absolutely not. Do I believe in giving the guy a shot to redeem himself and prove to the tribe and to the arkenstone community that he is a skilled pvp gamer, absolutely. Not once has the guy ever acted like a tool in ooc, or forums as I can remember. He continually helps others in tribe, get there maps, and encourages people by saying good job. Even after defeat. He not once complains about how unfair things are, and how uneven the sides are. He's a good guy if you had given him a chance to get to know him. If you want to talk about real life situations, lets just say our very own jurisdiction system as multiple ways for people to redeem themself. If you want to talk about whats fair about rank and aquiring skills associated with rank... I baught rank 9-15 skills the very first day I was allowed to on the infamous Lotro store. As did a vast majority of everyone else. Against the rules? No. I choice Lotro made available to us. How you wish to judge those who did is up to you. Same with rank farmers. Unfortunately like I have said, farming is not against lotro rules.... But IS against MB standards... It's the least I can do to enforce what I believe to be right.
Fankly, If I gave you a name of a toon that has done ZERO actual pvp, and ALL pve... and is rank 6 how would you feel about that? Is that not a slap in the face? This person has no kills, and no kb's. Bunch of deaths for being ganked along the way... It's the same thing.. turbine did us all wrong with the quest for points system....
May 22 2012 11:03 PM #27
Re: Ishotu R12
But he put himself out there, not sitting alone in some corner of the map farming his or a friends toons over and over.
Rank farming is something no one considers legitimate means of ranking, i ask again, why are you trying to rationalize and compare it to other things?Rank 12 Minstrel, Rank 9 Rune-keeper
Rank 11 Weaver, Rank 10 Blackarrow, Rank 9 Stalker, Rank 9 Reaver, Rank 6 Defiler, Rank 6 Warleader
May 23 2012 12:06 AM #28
May 23 2012 10:27 AM #29
Re: Ishotu R12
Rank is stupid and worth about as much as a bucket of piss on either side now. Before when rank meant something Ishotu farmed it so it he could attempt to be good ( he failed as he is still a miserable excuse for a ba). I think this is a lowering of standards for MB, though you did let pugga join so its not like the standards were high.
Auzue, Urukder
May 23 2012 01:56 PM #30
Re: Ishotu R12
It also takes a lot longer to get rank by doing pve than it does by farming someone's creep. I could go out to some remote corner (or be especially stupid and not even try to hide it) and farm someone's freep and get what... 100 points for the first kill? Then 95 or so? Then 90? Not sure how fast it decrements. That's still A LOT faster than running around the map gathering items to hand in.
So even though Turbine gave creeps a way to get infamy by doing pve quests, I don't see how that correlates to rank farming. It doesn't matter that both are boring, Blood. One goes a lot faster than the other, and the player base in general accepts the one Turbine explicitly added (pve quests). Turbine didn't say, "hey, go farm your bud for infamy." They *did* say "hey, go hand in pve quests for infamy".
But if people want to rationalize it, so be it. lol Different strokes for different folks.Ijustpassedgas Excuseme
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May 23 2012 03:03 PM #31
Re: Ishotu R12
I think it is perfectly understandable and respectable even that you guys put aside Ishotu's past atrocities and let him into your tribe....HOWEVER, he does not deserve a "congratulations on RANK" thread when he obviously farmed a decent amount of it, he has earned nothing.
Blood I like you Gorgurth and Gas a lot, but Morgul Blades is even worse than the second version of the Immortals.
May 23 2012 03:24 PM #32
May 23 2012 06:42 PM #33
Re: Ishotu R12
You people really don't get me do you? Let me try to explain it to you all a little more clearly, although I had thought it was already pretty clear. Bloodloaf = mad at turbine for ruining what he thinks Infamy Reknown should stand for. Points for actually doing PvP. Bloodloaf = mad that if you try to report someone for rank farming, OR mention so and so is doing this and that on forums, Turbine will ban you for harrassing a player that is not breaking any set lotro rules. Bloodloaf = Not supporting Turbines lack of care on this subject. Bloodloaf says, Turbine should have installed a rule against rank farming as it is a known way to cheat, therefor should be punishable by lotro law. Bloodloaf says, Turbine should never have installed pve encouragement but should have explored other ways to bring pvp to the lesser used areas of our pretty little sand box. Okay Kiddies did I make myself clear?
May 23 2012 07:46 PM #34
Re: Ishotu R12
So much drama in a little thread, how about you guys settle this at the flagpole after school like real children.
May 23 2012 08:55 PM #35
Re: Ishotu R12
I prefer in the smoking pit behind the gymnasium.
Auzue, Urukder
Jun 02 2012 06:46 PM #36
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It's just hours before the start of the 2008/09 Premiership season but there are still mixed feelings towards the implementation of the ELVs.
The 2008 Super 14 witnessed the introduction of the new laws and the first few weeks of this competition were marked by criticism from various players, coaches and media. Only 80% of the new laws were applied to this tournament, and when the full set were implemented in the Absa Currie Cup, there was even more criticism and derision. Nobody wanted to change.
It is not surprising that the northern hemisphere are displaying similar feelings ahead of the first round of league matches. Saracens director of rugby Eddie Jones has already questioned the need for such a change while a few other coaches say the ELVs will hamper the north's traditional strengths.
"The experimental law variations will depower a lot of the traditional mauling sides, of which there are quite a few in the Premiership, and then there are the periods in which a number of teams will be pretty heavily hit by international call-ups," Newcastle assistant coach Stuart Grimes said. "I don't think some people have truly considered the implications of both of these things."
London Irish lock Bob Casey lamented the law that allows defending players to sack the maul.
"The new rules will suit a team like London Irish, certainly with our attacking philosophy and the players we have," Casey said. "I am a little bit disappointed from the line-out point of view that the new rules have taken away the driving contest but on the whole we are looking forward to it."
Former England skipper Martin Corry said it may take some time to adjust to the ELVs. The Leicester skipper was initially against the new laws, and although he still opposes the reasons for change, he can see the sense in their implementation.
"After playing with them, the majority of them make a slight alteration and don't make a huge difference. Should they have brought the rules in? No. The Guinness Premiership and Heineken Cup are great brands of rugby. Now I've accepted them and played under them, I've started to see the positives. There's a lot of pressure on referees now," said Corry.
Wasps loose forward Tom Rees shares a similar view to that of his former England team-mate.
"I'm not convinced they're going to make a hell of a lot of difference. It's going to be interesting over the first couple of months of the season to see how things bed down.
"As a club we've looked at the contact area and tweaking tactics in terms of line-outs and kicking, but it's still the same game and hopefully we've done enough that we won't get caught cold. Staying on your feet in contact, for example, is how it should be anyway," said Rees.
"There's not much need to change the game, but maybe somebody in authority wants to leave a legacy or something, who knows?"
Meanwhile, Glasgow Hawks coach Peter Wright is looking forward to a competition that allows smaller teams a better chance.
"It is very rare that Scotland is the biggest side on the park and we often struggle to get the ball against the bigger teams that just keep the ball at the back of a rolling maul. So the rules give the smaller teams a bit of a help. England and Ireland don't want this one as they feel it takes away from one of their core strengths. It could make the game more open."
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5 Sep 2008, 10:44 amDragons!
5 Sep 2008, 10:56 amHa – close, but no cigar
5 Sep 2008, 10:57 amEngland and Ireland against. Wales and Scotland for. The French don't care as they ignore the laws anyway.
5 Sep 2008, 11:00 am#3 David:
That's how they stay 'indepentant' – just do their own thing ….. always voting the 'other way' to show that they think for themselves – Ha, ha,ha,
5 Sep 2008, 11:01 amSeriously though – I do prefer the older laws including the raking of bodies illegally laying on the wrong side to illegally slow the ball down.
5 Sep 2008, 11:04 amWho actually cares? I dont. The new laws take a lot more more interpretation from the ref and that's the problem. The new laws are progressive and are a step in the right direction.
Refs need to be taken out of the game. Anything that improves that gets my vote!!!
5 Sep 2008, 11:06 am#5 SyKoPlaya:
Now, those were the days! -
5 Sep 2008, 11:09 am#7 David:
Brillant – we just sorted out the kak there and then. Really enjoyed those days – both giving and receiving.
Battle scars always improved after game stories. (never letting the truth getting in the way of a good story)
5 Sep 2008, 11:10 amThe only problem is that the ABs were the best at that, as well.
5 Sep 2008, 11:12 am#9 David:
And we respected them for it – as they respected us for our 'cleaning out' skills.
5 Sep 2008, 11:27 am#8 SyKoPlaya:
Unless you happened to be a flyhalf, like me, pinned at the bottom of a ruck with some 110kg locks knee in your back. Damn difficult to roll away. -
5 Sep 2008, 11:33 am#11 David:
I was a scrummie – so did and got my fair share as well.
5 Sep 2008, 12:00 pmThose were the days. A gentle digging of the studs on the back of a player on the wring side of the ruck. And then a long and forceful movement of the of the leg backwards.
Would our current crop of fetchers be as effective as they are, if rucking was re-introduced? (McCaw, Smith, Baywatch etc.)
Maybe lets bring them back when Watson play for WP against one of the Bulls, Lions, Cheetahs and Sharks. Then we will really see his true colours. -
5 Sep 2008, 12:18 pmSo which ELV's are they playing now? Bloody confusing all this
5 Sep 2008, 12:19 pm#3 David: Wales aren't pro-ELV David. If anything its Wales/Ireland/England against Scotland and France for.
I actually see a lot of self-interest in the reactions to the ELVs amongst club teams. Wasps are happy with the no kicking from 22 rule and the pulling down of the maul because it suits their game, Leicester much less so as they maul all day long.
I hope they forget about this maul rule.
5 Sep 2008, 12:20 pm#14 Mutant: Global trial ELVs, the same ELVs South AFrica played Argentina under. No free kick sanction.
5 Sep 2008, 12:25 pm#16 Big Hit: OK, so not the Super 14, Currie Cup or Tri-Nations ELV's. Unbelievable.
5 Sep 2008, 12:27 pm#17 Mutant: nope. the NH unions didn't like those especially the quick tap
5 Sep 2008, 12:28 pm#15 Big Hit:
That surprises me. I would have thought that Wales more open game would suit the ELVs, especially with Gatland in charge. -
5 Sep 2008, 12:29 pm#18 Big Hit:
You mean now that Matt Dawson has retired. -
5 Sep 2008, 12:30 pmThere's no doubt the ELV's have been bad for the game – simply by the way they've been handled. Half the rugby supporters in the country don't even know what set are being played when, let alone anyone getting into the game.
They need to settle on one set asap and move on. -
5 Sep 2008, 12:31 pm#19 David: You have to remember they've just won a grand slam under the old laws, so 'change' is not really high on their list of desirables. Like Wasps however, I think they'll have no problem with the no kicking from the 22 and collapsing maul rule.
Its also worth noting that ELVs may not promote an open game at international level. Indeed the most successful team in this year's 3N to date has been the team who have kept it tight and played a kicking game, NZ.
5 Sep 2008, 12:32 pm#20 David: he was good at it wasn't he. Find the nearest forward and make a beeline straight for him before pulling the victim act. Worked tho
5 Sep 2008, 12:34 pm#21 Mutant: yes its a joke. Whats really annoying is that SANZAR got the choice of which ELVs to trial whereas the NH had ELVs forced upon them
5 Sep 2008, 12:38 pm#24 Big Hit: Well that's been half the problem. The SH can't decide which rules to use so IMO it's better to be told one set and to play them. I don't think they'll revolutionise the game, which brings us back to the point: why change in the first place?
5 Sep 2008, 12:42 pm#25 Mutant: Apparently because the world cup final was too boring. But more likely because the antipodean teams who felt they were the best didn't get that far, losing out to supposedly more boring teams.
I just hope the right ELVs are kept and dispensed with when its put to a vote in February.
5 Sep 2008, 12:48 pm#26 Big Hit: I thought the France-NZ game was one of the better games of the WC, and only their fault the Blacks didn't have the BMT. And unfortunately most finals are boring games because of what's at stake, ELV's or not.
And do you know how they judge success of the ELV's – player, coach or fan polls maybe? Do we have any input as spectators? -
5 Sep 2008, 12:57 pmWhat will be interesting if the ELVs are introduced is how they'll go down at school and club level. It's all very well at senior level where the coaches are constantly monitored but a lot more open to interpretation lower down the scale.
5 Sep 2008, 12:58 pm#27 Mutant: The only input spectators have as far as I know is an RFU questionnaire. As for judging their success, I think it basically all comes down to a vote by the Unions as to whether they're wanted or not. Certainly the crowds haven't got any bigger in the S14/3N.
5 Sep 2008, 13:45 pm#29 Big Hit: The biggest downfall of the ELVs has been the officiating of them. It is ironic that the Australians, who are pushing the new laws, have the worst referees at the moment.
5 Sep 2008, 14:10 pm#30 BokEd: Agree with that. The refs were just useless this year especially the Australians. Some of the Kiwis too though. Now they will get one of the best refs for 3N game in Brisbane. Of course a South African.
5 Sep 2008, 14:15 pmWhat happens if NH just does not want to play with the ELV's? Does it then just get dropped for next years S14 and 3N here?
5 Sep 2008, 14:19 pm#32 Puma:
It would probably become an item on the IRB agenda – then it will be a 'political' vote that will be won be the power-players in the boardroom
5 Sep 2008, 14:25 pmBye Guys – have a good one, and may the best teams win ………….
5 Sep 2008, 15:09 pmI understand that the IRB will discuss each of the ELVs separately, and vote on each one separately. I agree with this as hopefully the ELVs that add value will be retained and those that don't work will be dropped.
The problem with multiple variations of laws being trialled relates to politics and hidden agenda. I actually feel that the reluctance of the "old world" to give the ELVs a reasonable trial has caused this fragmented approach. Unfortunately the culture of the UK means they will always be resistant to change. Those UK citizens that were pioneers all left for the new world over the past 200 years! -
5 Sep 2008, 15:44 pmNot too sure how many of you boytjies still play the game, but while I enjoyed the viewing spectacle of the Super 14 and Tri-nations with the ELVs, playing with them at amateur level is totally exhausting, and frustrating. We started our new rugby season, and boy I've never felt that exhausted after a game; apart from the confusion, as it's really difficult to ref. Okay, while I agree fitness and conditioning should be part of every level of the game, I don't think rugby with the ELVs will attract the fatties and slackers – you know the guys I'm talking about Rugby used to be a game for all shapes and sizes, and that's what made it so special. Since playing the game with the ELVs, I really feel that rugby has been revolutionised in such a way that it's no longer recognisable as the game we know – the only size that it caters for now is a big strong fast player e.g. Pierre Spies. How good or bad it is for the game at large, only time will tell.
5 Sep 2008, 15:54 pmI dont see how anyone ca feel the ELV are ****?
I love good rugby, but hate it when it is one penelty after the other which a ref decides on and then the final score is 12-9!
For pete's sake……I always feel the team going to score tries is the one who deserves the win! Not the one kicking every opertunity it gets!!!
My 2 cents worth!
5 Sep 2008, 15:57 pm#36 Durban Poison:
The ELVs require improved decision making. It is not mandatory to tap and go every time a short arm is awarded. I think it takes time to develop and implement suitable tactics. -
5 Sep 2008, 16:29 pm#38 Spencer 19: Good call. We'll develop and implement suitable tactics as soon as I've caught my breath!
5 Sep 2008, 16:31 pm#36 Durban Poison: yes, Rugby League
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5 Sep 2008, 19:46 pmThey're still called "Experimental" law variations.
There was uncertainty in SH before implementation as well, but as players and fans got used to it they realized that it was superior, with some improvements to be made.
I think it will be the same in the NH.
5 Sep 2008, 21:21 pmhowzit soda
What happens if an experiment fails?
(one interpretation is if NZ don't win in 2011)
5 Sep 2008, 23:09 pmHmmm.. the British Lions have refused to accept ANY yarpie refs for their tour — even for the provincial games! How's that for a vote of no-confidence in SA home-town refs, hey? The ghost of Gert Bezuidenhout sweeps over the highveld still …
6 Sep 2008, 07:29 amI the new rules ,dnt knw what the nh is complaining about. theyll never dominate the south
6 Sep 2008, 07:30 ammy prediction wil b a DRAW 4 NEXT YEARS B AND I LIONS TOUR
6 Sep 2008, 12:13 pm#31 Puma: Agree there mate, the aussies were #$# and the NZders were not far behind. The saffers and some of the N hemisphere refs were far better
6 Sep 2008, 12:43 pm#47 ka meti ka meti: Yes agree too but they are still learning too with the new rules. Just nice that the Brisbane game will have a SA ref. Hope it goes well. Good luck to the Ab's too. Hope they take it.
6 Sep 2008, 14:39 pmWell said Joe.
They are afraid of the unknown.
Some refinements may need to be made, but in general ……….the players, the fans, the Refs, all seem to prefer these new laws.I think an 80% endorsement from s14 Players.
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Comment posted Clydelink Kilcreggan-Gourock service suspended amidst queries by Dave Forbes.
Politicians DO NOT operate the ferry service , it's the operators and WELL MAINTAINED BOATS. These two second-hand boats were probably purchased in a hurry after the new operator knew they had won the contract. The trouble with anything bought 'used' is that there could be hidden histories not ever reported. Clyde Marine Ltd has very well maintained vessels sitting idle in Victoria Dock. Politicians only turn up for the photo opportunity to get their mugs in the papers BUT NO if something is going wrong.
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- Why oh why did SPT even decide to re-tender the good safe and , more important , reliable Gourock-Kilcreggan-Helensburgh ferry service? The professionalism in which the crews of Clyde Marine Motoring Ltd carried out their duties was away beyond that of the new-kids-on-the-block. An alarm went off in the wheelhouse of the Stand-by boat Cailin Oir on the 5th May just as it proceeded from Gourock Pierhead and had to turn back barely 2 hundred yards out (something to do with the bilge sensors playing up. GIVE US BACK CLYDE MARINE PLEASE!!
Recent comments by Dave Forbes
- Council concerns on proposed partial ferry service on Ardrossan-Arran-Campbeltown route
Only last week two of Calmac's bigger ships were taken 'off service' due to different matters (crew sickness and engine problems). I say that Calmac could be caught out with only two spare vessels whilst Saturn is presumable just about done and gone. Could she ever be reactivated?…maybe the cost of doing so could be prohibited. What about the usual second summer only (freight) boat for Arran? What happens if daydrippers from the 'mainland' get stranded ashore on Kintyre because of adverse weather?…would Calmac let them stay onboard overnight or until the weather subsides?. If you don't try anything , you will never know , there seems to be a whole lot of negativity about at least attempting the new pilot service. - Scottish Ferry Services Plan 2013-2022 published
Does the upper Firth of Clyde services and routes not exist undere this SNP plan? No mention of Gourock – Dunoon – Wemyss Bay – Rothesay. Are there no plans for the re-instatement of the Calmac car ferry which most people want to see. No disrespect to Argyll Ferries Ltd , but these boats seem to be off service more nowadays. - Russell admits vehicle element of former Dunoon ferry was indeed publicly funded
Wasn't it a good rumour that the Scottish Government were actively proposing to re-instate some type of publically-run vehicle service between the two linkspans and searching for an appropriate vessel before the six year contract was up after local Dunoon MSP , Mike Russell , came under severe pressure from ferry users AND to keep his seat in parliament? I heard this from a Calmac employee. - Russell admits vehicle element of former Dunoon ferry was indeed publicly funded
If the Calmac vehicle service between Gourock and Dunoon (centre-to-centre) was deemed illegally subsidised by preceding governments , why did it last for some 54 years with the ABC's and the Steakers? Isn't this SNP Govermnent just hiding behind some EU dictat. If they were all that interested in 'speaking for the people of Scotland' , as their leader always seems to quote , surely they could have stayed strong and argued the point instead of capitulating like a fearty cat. The private concern Western get all the financial benefits of carrying vehicles whilst the publically run Argyll Ferries Ltd can now only afford to run two passenger-only boats…I still smell-a-rat! - Bring it on out: Queen Elizabeth carrier section tugged out of the Clyde today
What is the reason for the barge heading south through the Irish Sea and English Channel instead of heading north?
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WASHINGTON, D.C. — For the first time, the Orlando Magic will wear "El Magic" jerseys to honor their Latino fan base.
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Six weeks after Sandy hit New York, lower Manhattan law firms that remain out of their offices are hoping to return by next month but are confronting the possibility it could take much longer.
Harris Beach COO William Kedley said the firm's initial lease of temporary space at 1290 Avenue of the Americas expires in early January, giving lawyers a few weeks to decide if the firm can return to 100 Wall St. If there's not enough time, Kedley said the firm has the option to renew.
A big factor in the decision will be whether the telecommunications and data systems are up and running, Kedley said.
Lawyers at Fragomen, Del Rey, Bernsen and Loewy also remain in temporary space and are hoping to return to 7 Hanover Square by early January, but "we just don't have clarity," said Michael Patrick, a partner and executive committee member. "We're also frustrated about not having information" about the building's condition.
Sandy took out about 95 percent of Verizon's copper network downtown, Mayor Michael Bloomberg said last week. "They are now rebuilding better and smarter with fiber, but full restoration will take months."
Verizon's schedule "right now says that lower Manhattan is not going to be back up until May," Bloomberg said. "That is just not acceptable."
He added, "Those buildings in downtown that lost electricity and heat should be back up by the end of this month, but they can't be occupied unless we have telephone service."
Meanwhile, Fried, Frank, Harris, Shriver & Jacobson, which had to take temporary space on Park Avenue, moved back on Nov. 27 to One New York Plaza. The firm said it has phone service.
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Israelis on subject of peace
In discussing Chuck Hagel's nomination (which I'm not), a number of commentators described Israeli public opinion on the Middle East conflict in ways that are at odds with reality.
To illustrate with one clear example, journalist Carl Bernstein opined that "Israelis are divided down the middle, just like we are." His fellow commentators nodded sagely in agreement, though there is little basis for such an assertion.
A larger 68 percent would support a specific "two-state peace agreement … with the Palestinians entailing a demilitarized Palestinian state with boundaries based on the 1967 lines along with territorial swaps that reckon with Israel's security concerns and keep the major settlement blocs under Israeli control; if Palestinian refugees could return to the new state but not to Israel; if the Arab neighborhoods of Jerusalem reverted to the Palestinian state, the Jewish neighborhoods stayed in Israel and the Old City were under some kind of joint administration; and if the agreement would come into effect only after the Palestinians ended all terror activities and the United States approved the deal."
There is consensus, not division, on the desirability of peace and in support of the outlines of a specific peace agreement. There is an equally clear consensus, one might even say despair, about the actual prospects for peace.
Two-thirds agree "the peace process with the Palestinians is at a standstill for reasons that have nothing to do with Israel and there is no chance of progress in the foreseeable future."
These sentiments are clearly reflected in the content of Israel's current election campaign. While the right, which will likely end up with a majority, campaigns on security issues, only one party of the center or center-left is focused directly on the conflict and it is likely to secure less than 10 percent of the parliamentary seats. Other center and left parties recognize the small constituency for a foreign policy coming from that direction, instead directing their attention to social and economic issues.
Why the extraordinary pessimism? Consider, first, Palestinian public opinion. A survey last month by the Palestinian Center for Policy and Survey Research found over half of Palestinians still supporting "armed attacks against Israeli civilians inside Israel." Sixty percent believe Hamas's missile attacks and terrorism is the way forward, with just 28 percent endorsing President Abbas's stated commitment to peaceful resolution of the conflict.
The specific peace plan outlined above, overwhelmingly favored by Israeli Jews, draws support from a 43 percent minority on the Palestinian side, where the principle of a two-state solution is met with even division.
Action on the ground produces even more pessimism, with the Gaza example forming a dark cloud in the consciousness of Israelis. Unable to envision real progress from negotiations, in 2005, Ariel Sharon unilaterally withdrew from Gaza. Forcible eviction of thousands of Jewish settlers from their homes in Gaza and dismantling 21 settlements created a national trauma.
However, the result was not peace, but over 8,000 rocket and missile attacks launched from Gaza after the Israeli occupation had come to an end, the settlements uprooted. Therefore, Israelis reasonably ask, "Is peace realistic? Will rockets still fall on kindergartens and community centers after an agreement? Will half of Palestinians still give aid, succor and support to terrorist attacks?" The Gaza example calls the possibility of peace into question for many Israelis.
Israelis are not divided down the middle; they are divided within. There is a consensus in support of peace, a peace that includes another painful withdrawal from most of the territory captured in 1967, but also a consensus that there may be no real partner for or path to peace.
Mellman is president of The Mellman Group and has worked for Democratic candidates and causes since 1982. Current clients include the Majority Leader of the Senate and the Democratic Whip in the House.


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Eighth graders at Ellerbe Middle School celebrated Happy Pi Day with a fun activity. Students gathered into the cafeteria Thursday afternoon to participate in a mathematical exercise. The task was to figure out the surface area of a pie using the Pi equation. After completing the exercise, some students participated in a contest of "who can recite the most digits of pi." All the students ended the afternoon activity by enjoying a wonderful piece of pie. Two eighth graders are pictured here working on an exercise.