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Your guide to our coverage of the new DVD/Blu-ray releases
Here's what's new on DVD and Blu-ray this week as featured on Videodrone
Hot Tips and Top Picks: DVDs and Blu-rays for November 15
New Releases:
Tom Hanks and Julia Roberts Lift 'Larry Crowne'
Ewan McGregor and Christopher Plummer are 'Beginners'
The New Release Rack: The Indie Grunge of 'Bellflower,' the Grace of 'The Tree' and more
TV on DVD:
'Being Human' in America
MSN Exclusive Clip: Neil Gaiman On 'Neverwhere' at 15
Bargain: 'Crime Story: The Complete Series'
TV on DVD Channel Guide: 'It Takes a Thief' Debuts
The Cool and the Collectible:
Essentials: 'Three Colors: Blue White Red' and 'The Rules of the Game' on Criterion
Alex Cox's 'Highway Patrolman,' Giorgio Moroder's 'Metropolis' and more
Blu-ray Debuts:
Gift Guide Spotlight: The Best of 'Looney Tunes' on Blu-ray
MSN Exclusive Clip: 'West Side Story' Turns 50 with a Blu-ray Debut
Blu-ray Round-up: 'My Fair Lady' Not So Fair on Blu-ray, plus 'Farscape,' 'The Mysterious Island,' 'Despair' and a new 'Evil Dead II'
MOD Movies:
Harlow and Gable - with an exclusive film clip
Weekend Viewing: 'The Private Files Of J. Edgar Hoover'
'Atlas Shrugged' DVDs recalled, the world shrugs
Coming up next week:
"Super 8" (Paramount)
"Conan the Barbarian" (Lionsgate)
"The Devil's Double" (Lionsgate)
"Sarah's Key" (Weinstein)
"Spy Kids: All the Time in the World" (Anchor Bay)
"The Family Tree" (eOne)
"12 Angry Men" (Criterion)
"The Adventures of Tintin: Season One" (Shout! Factory)
"Doctor Who: The Complete Sixth Series" (BBC)
"The Office: Special Edition" (U.K.) (BBC)
"Rushmore" (Blu-ray) (Criterion)
"Birth of a Nation" (Blu-ray) (Kino)
"Way Down East" (Blu-ray) (Kino)
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Plus 'Farscape,' 'The Mysterious Island,' 'Despair' and a new 'Evil Dead II'
"Looney Tunes Platinum Collection: Volume 1" (Warner) presents the HD debut of 50 of the greatest Looney Tunes cartoons in a three-disc set with commentaries, featurettes and hours of bonus documentaries. Videodrone's review is here. "Three Colors: Blue White Red" (Criterion), the complete trilogy by Krzysztof Kieslowski, gets its Criterion debut on DVD and Blu-ray, and "The Rules Of The Game" (Criterion) is remastered for a new DVD and a Blu-ray debut by Criterion. Videodrone reviews them here.
And a pair of classic, multiple Oscar-winning musicals go Blu this week. "West Side Story: 50th Anniversary Edition" (Fox) is released in two editions with some minor issues that Fox is sorting out. See Videodrone's coverage here.
"My Fair Lady" (Paramount), Alan Jay Lerner and Frederick Loewe's transformation of the witty George Bernard Shaw play "Pygmalion" into a buoyant musical, also makes its Blu debut, but this edition is even more problematic. Again, I turn to the experts. At Home Theater Forum, Robert Harris (who was involved in the original film restoration of "My Fair Lady" decades ago and is featured on the commentary track, recorded over a decade ago) complains of the weaknesses in the color and stability of the image: "The new Blu-ray, especially with its field problems, is not representative of the film."
And at DVD Beaver, Gary Tooze opens his review with "I have to say that something is 'wrong' here." Both agree that it is an upgrade from the old DVD, but that for an Oscar winner and a beloved film, it is well below the standards set for major studio classics on Blu-ray.
Features all the supplements of the previous DVD release: commentary by art director Gene Allen, singer Marni Nixon and restoration team Robert A. Harris and James C. Katz, the 1994 documentary "More Loverly Than Ever: The Making of My Fair Lady - Then and Now," vintage featurettes, archival material from the vaults (including Hepburn's original vocals for "Wouldn't It Be Loverly" and "Show Me") and other extras.
"Farscape: The Complete Series" (A&E) is technically "complete" but practically speaking not quite: it features all four seasons of the wild made-for-cable science fiction series but not the mini-series finale, which was produced after the series was cancelled. The show was the first real trademark hit for the SciFi channel, an original series filled with exotic aliens, marbled worlds, and spacescapes that look ripped from the cover of "Amazing Stories." But it was more than just space opera and pulp adventure. Our heroes are essentially outlaws, escaped from an authoritarian regime and on the run from pretty much everybody out there. The totalitarian worlds and mercenary survivors of this hostile universe are a far cry from the Federation friendly universe of "Star Trek," and the dark art direction and wild, often grotesque creatures (courtesy of Jim Henson studios) made this the most imaginative and unpredictable science fiction show on TV in its day. This series knew how to make an epic on a budget.
As in the previous DVD release from A&E, it features all 88 episodes of the show (on 20 Blu-ray discs) plus the commentary tracks (29 in all), featurettes, interviews, character profiles, deleted scenes, galleries and other goodies seen on earlier releases from show. New to the set is a brand new retrospective documentary: "Memories of Moya: An Epic Journey Explored" featuring new interviews with the cast and crew.
Cy Enfield directs "Mysterious Island" (Twilight Time), adapted from Jules Verne's sequel to "20,000 Leagues Under the Sea," but the creative imagination is provided the Ray Harryhausen, whose intricate visual effects provide the giant bestiary of the island, including a ferocious Dodo bird, a crab the size of an elephant, and a hive of helicopter-sized bees. They are the creations of Captain Nemo (Herbert Lom), who has been stranded on the island but makes his appearance late in the film. The main story involves a group Union soldiers (among them Michael Craig, Michael Callan, and Gary Merrill) who escape form a Confederate prison in a raging storm and crash on the island. The excellent score is by Bernard Herrmann, which is also presented in a separate isolated audio track, as is the custom of the boutique label Twilight Time. This disc marks their first release in a new partnership with Sony to release Blu-ray editions of classics from the Columbia Pictures library.
"Despair" (Olive), adapted from the Vladimir Nabokov novel, is Rainer Werner Fassbinder's first English language production and the first film he didn't script himself (Tom Stoppard wrote this one). Dirk Bogarde stars as Hermann Hermann, a dandified Russian emigree in late 1920s Berlin, the owner of a chocolate factory who plots the escape the monotony of his life by exchanging identities with an unemployed man he believes is his exact double but in fact looks nothing like the man. Fassbinder shot the film simultaneously in English and German language versions for international release. Olive released the film on DVD earlier this year and new offers a restored HD edition of the English language version on Blu-ray along with the new making-of documentary feature "The Cinema and Its Double" by Robert Fischer, which debuts in this release.
"Infernal Affairs" (Lionsgate), the original 2002 Hong Kong gangster thriller that inspired Martin Scorsese's "The Departed," stars Andy Lau as a gangster undercover with the cops and Tony Leung as a deep cover operative in the mob. Andrew Lau's high concept cat-and-mouse thriller (co-directed by Alan Mak) is like a South Korean crime drama married to the outsized Hong Kong melodrama of loyalty and sacrifice: slick and handsome (it credits cinematographer Christopher Doyle as "visual consultant"), solidly plotted, and satisfyingly cynical. Includes two featurettes ("Confidential File" and "The Making of Infernal Affairs") and an alternate ending.
"Evil Dead II: 25th Anniversary Edition" (Lionsgate) is the second Blu-ray edition of Sam Raimi's cult classic of a horror comedy. Previously released by Anchor Bay, the new Lionsgate edition has been newly remastered from the original negative and includes plenty of new supplements along with the commentary track (by Raimi, star Bruce Campbell, co-writer Scott Spiegel and special make-up effects artist Greg Nicotero) and featurettes of the previous edition. New to this set are the feature-length, seven-part documentary "Swallowed Souls: The Making of Evil Dead II," a comprehensive look at the film from conception to release featuring almost everyone involved in the film except Sam Raimi, and the featurettes "The Road to Wadesboro: Revisiting the Shooting Location of Evil Dead II" and "Cabin Fever," with footage that the film's FX artist Nicotero shot on the set during the original shoot.
The original "Spy Kids" trilogy was released on Blu-ray in separate editions earlier this year. "Spy Kids Triple Feature" (Lionsgate) simply collects them in a single set and a conveniently space-saving standard case with a hinged tray. The review from the earlier Blu-ray release is here.
"WWII in HD: Collector's Edition" (History) is a new edition of the previously-released series which presents the war as seen through rare color film footage, with two bonus programs ("The Battle for Iwo Jima" and :WWI in HD: The Air War") in an olive green case. "Sea Rex 3D" (Universal) presents both 2D and 3D versions of the IMAX documentary.
For more releases, see Hot Tips and Top Picks: DVDs and Blu-rays for November 15
Plus the Life of Ozzy, 'Assassin's Creed', Renoir and Kieslowski
Criterion has a reputation for presenting the greatest film of world cinema in superb editions, but with week they top even their own high standards. "Three Colors: Blue White Red" (Criterion) offers newly remastered editions of the Krzysztof Kieslowski films, a sublime trilogy given a magnificent treatment. Jean Renoir's "The Rules Of The Game" (Criterion) is rereleased in a new, improved high-definition master with additional supplements. Videodrone's review is here.
After Alex Cox proved himself unmarketable in the US, he went South and toiled in the low budget film industry in Mexico and within the tight restrictions of the Mexican studios he turned out another powerful, personal little film which even received limited theatrical distribution in the US in 1992. "Highway Patrolman" (Microcinema) chronicles the descent of a rookie cop into the morass of corruption and moral self destruction fostered by the very system he works within (an allegory for Mexican politics in general?). Austerely shot on the desolate highways and empty plains of Durango, Cox effectively uses long takes and extended tracking shots to communicate the pace of life while keeping the focus on the young cop and his experiences. Robert Sosa is terrific as the idealistic newlywed ready to make a difference, and every compromise he makes takes that much more life out of the character, replaced with a weary acceptance of… well, almost anything. The DVD debut features commentary by Cox and producer Lorenzo O'Brien and three shorts.
"Giorgio Moroder Presents Metropolis" (Kino) is the 1984 reconstruction of Fritz Lang's silent classic with (then) newly-discovered footage, lavish tints and a rock soundtrack. Now it is more of a curiosity than a classic, all but displaced by recent restorations, but it was so influential in its day—it was many a film lover's first introduction to the film and it for years it was (for all of Moroder's tinkering) the most complete and best looking edition you could find on home video—that Kino has honored the film and its place in film history with DVD and Blu-ray release true to Moroder's labor-of-love original release. Features "A Personal Message by Giorgio Moroder" and a 1984 documentary about film preservation and the restoration of "Metropolis" produced by Moroder. For more on the film and the DVD/Blu-ray release, read Glenn Erickson's review at Turner Classic Movies.
"God Bless Ozzy Osbourne" (Eagle Rock) chronicles the four-decade career of the heavy metal icon. The DVD and Blu-ray both feature a bonus Q&A with Ozzy and Jack Osbourne, deleted scenes and footage from the Tribeca Film Festival screening.
Ralph Richardson stars as a thinly-veiled version of Dutch war hero Piet Hein, who posed as a Nazi collaborator while secretly sabotaging their fleet, in "The Silver Fleet" (VCI), a British war drama from 1943.
Originally made for the web are "Assassin's Creed: Lineage" (Flatiron), a prequel to the film series based on the hit video game, and "Red vs. Blue: Season 9" (Flatiron), an animated spoof of spun off from the video game Halo.
"The Legacy Collection: Kirk Douglas" (Inception Media Group) presents five features from the public domain ("The Strange Love of Martha Ivers," "My Dear Secretary," "The Big Trees," "Catch Me a Spy" and "The Master Touch") and select DVD appearances and trailers on three discs, and "Dahling: A Tribute to Zsa Zsa Gabor" (Inception Media Group) presents the movies "Mooch Goes to Hollywood" and "Frankenstein's Great Aunt Tillie" and select TV appearances and trailers on single disc. Don't expect quality; these are cheap public domain prints indifferently mastered for DVD.
For more releases, see Hot Tips and Top Picks: DVDs and Blu-rays for November 15
Plus the new 'Being Human' and new collections of vintage TV shows
"Being Human: The Complete First Season (U.S.)" (eOne) is the American incarnation of the original British series about a vampire, a werewolf and a ghost who become roommates and try to live like regular folk. Videodrone's review is here.
"Neverwhere: 15th Anniversary Edition" (BBC) remasters the 1996 British mini-series adapted by Neil Gaiman from his own novel. Videodrone's review is here, with an exclusive clip with Neil Gaiman. And "Crime Story: The Complete Series" (Image) collects the two seasons of Michael Mann's sixties-era gangster series in bargain-priced edition. Reviewed here.
"It Takes a Thief: The Complete Series" (eOne) comes out of the same sixties cold war culture and American adventurism of shows like "Mission: Impossible" and "The Man From U.N.C.L.E.," but in place of the suave superspy is the slick civilian thief and con man drafted into government service.
Robert Wagner is the career criminal Alexander Mundy, sprung from prison in exchange for applying his talents to special assignments. "We're not asking you to spy," explains his agency boss Noah Bain (a wonderfully wry Malachi Throne). "We're just asking you to steal." Wagner is perfect for the role, part James Bond playboy spy and part all-American operator, always with an eye toward the ladies between (and often during) missions, and the show has a great line-up of guest star beauties on both sides of the spy game, including Susan Saint James in a recurring role as a fellow thief who crosses his path more than once. Malachi Throne left the series after two seasons and was never really replaced but the third and final season has its own rewards: it was shot in Italy, which gives the season a real international flavor and glamour, and brings in Fred Astaire in a recurring role as Alexander's father Alistair, the globetrotting master thief who taught Alexander everything he knows.
The 18-disc box set presents the entire three-season run, all 66 episodes, plus the expanded feature version of the pilot that was released to theaters. The image quality, however, is spotty. Apparently mastered from 16mm television prints, the first season episodes I sampled looked fine but the later seasons are mastered from faded and dull and often worn prints, and some episodes appeared to be old, pre-digital video masters. Each season is in a flimsy fold-out paperboard digipak with slipsleeves rather than trays, and the supplements are limited to new interviews with Robert Wagner and producer/writer Glen A. Larson. The box is a little cheap, sad to say. And there's also a set of coasters.
"Aaron Copland: Music in the 20s" (Kultur), produced by the pre-PBS station WNET in 1964, presents a series lecture presented by composer Aaron Copland, who also conducts a studio orchestra. The complete 12-part series of half-hour episodes on three discs.
"The California Raisins Collection" (Hen's Tooth) spotlights the unlikely fame of the stop-motion animated characters created by Will Vinton through two TV specials ("Meet the Raisins" and "Raisins: Sold Out"), four TV commercials and the short-lived cel animated Saturday morning TV series.
"American Restoration: Season One" (History) presents the first 16 episodes in the spin-off of "Pawn Stars." "Half Pint Brawlers: Season 1" (Image) is a reality series spin-off of "Jackass" following the exploits of a group of self-proclaimed hardcore little person wrestlers. Seven episodes. "Gabriel Iglesias Presents Stand-Up Revolution" (Paramount) features seven episodes of the stand-up comedy showcase.
For more releases, see Hot Tips and Top Picks: DVDs and Blu-rays for November 15
Criterion releases some of the greatest films ever made in new DVD editions and Blu-ray debuts
Criterion established itself as the gold standard for classic cinema on home video first on laserdisc, then on DVD and now for Blu-ray. This week, Criterion brings out editions of four of the greatest, most beautiful and most resonant films every made in newly remastered DVD editions and Blu-ray debuts: "Three Colors: Blue White Red," the great trilogy from Krzysztof Kieslowski, and Jean Renoir's "The Rules Of The Game."
Reviled and condemned upon its release in 1939, butchered by the studio and declared a rediscovered masterpiece when is was reconstructed and restored in 1959, Jean Renoir's "The Rules Of The Game" (1939) is at once savage social satire and a compassionate comedy of manners with a fatal, feral undercurrent. Set in the dying days of the 1930s, as the Third Reich cast a long shadow over a seemingly impotent France, the ironic drama of life, love, class, and the social code of manners and behavior --"the rules of the game" of the title -- finds its microcosm of French society in the farcical romantic triangles that play out during a weekend in the country. The defining line of the film -- "Everyone has their reasons" -- is transformed by Renoir from a statement of tolerance to a dismissal of behavior to ultimately an apologist's impotent excuse for the inexcusable. I'd have a hard time calling this my "favorite" of Renoir's films, as it demands so much and can leave you devastated by end, but I believe that there is not a more perfect, more profound, or more inexhaustible film in Renoir's amazing career.
Criterion originally released this on DVD in 2004 in what was then a state-of-the-art edition. It's been newly remastered in a high-definition digital restoration, which brings out greater detail, depth and texture. As it is mastered from a reconstruction of a film that was drastically re-edited after its release, from whatever materials survived (the original negative was destroyed in during World War II), the greater detail reveals more of the wear and damage, but that is an honest trade-off. Criterion was able to digitally clean up most of the scratches, grit and wear, and what's left is the legacy of film and time. DVD Beaver compares the new transfer to the previous DVD editions here.
The Blu-ray and the new DVD editions both feature the supplements of the earlier DVD release, including commentary, comparisons between the cut version and the reconstructed edition, featurettes, interviews and archival material. A complete reckoning is included below.
Krzysztof Kieslowski ended his career with "Three Colors: Blue White Red" (Criterion), a trilogy of delicately connected films that many hold as his greatest work. They are the three colors of the French flag and the films reflect the ideals of the motto "Liberty, Equality, and Fraternity" as Kieslowski-an exploration of the human experience. Liberty is represented "Blue" (1993), starring the luminous Juliette Binoche as a young widow who withdraws from the world after the sudden death of her husband and child. The hushed study in loss, which hovers around Binoche as she tries to live a life of emotional detachment, is a film of magnificent grace, informed by the sometimes soothing, sometimes alienating hues of her blue existence, and the enigmatic production is the richest, most lush visual experience of the trilogy. "White" (1993) couldn't be more different, an unexpected comedy of rejection and revenge starring Zbigniew Zamachowski as a sad sack Polish immigrant who, after being dumped by his frustrated wife Julie Delpy, returns to the new Poland of capitalism and prepares his plan of wounded vengeance. "Red" (1994), the story of a French model (Irene Jacob) who befriends an embittered retired judge (Jean-Louis Trintignant) who eavesdrops on his neighbors' conversations, is the warmest and most forgiving of the series.
The subtlest of details weave through the three films, flourishes that marry them to the same cinematic universe. "I have said all I need to say on film," remarked Kieslowski after completing the trilogy. ""Red" is my summation." Revisiting the films 17 years after the release of his summation, I find "Blue" to be the most intimate and poetic of the three and "Red" the most complex and densely woven, reverberating with doubles and disconnected relationships that dance around one another throughout the film until the final scene of "Red," a coda that pulls all three films together in an unforgettable scene of emotional power and beauty.
Miramax released the three films to DVD in 2003. Criterion returns to the original materials for new high-definition masters for a significantly improved presentation on DVD and a much-anticipated Blu-ray debut. DVD Beaver tackles the Blu-ray releases with technical reviews of all three film: "Blue," "White" and "Red."
Criterion includes many (but not all) of the supplements from the Miramax release in their box set (the most obvious omission are the commentary tracks that Annette Insdorf recorded for each film), and adds a few of its own, most prominently superb video essays by Annette Insdorf (on "Blue"), Tony Rayns ("White") and Dennis Lim ("Red"). See below for complete list of supplements.
For more releases, see Hot Tips and Top Picks: DVDs and Blu-rays for November 15
For more on the supplements, and clips from "Red," continue reading below.
Everything's Blu in America!
Life is all right in America when you can celebrate the "West Side Story: 50th Anniversary Edition" (Fox) with a Blu-ray debut, though there is a production issue that make this edition just "mostly right." Details after the clip.
See below for an MSN Exclusive clip from the Blu-ray
Playwright Arthur Laurents, lyricist Stephen Sondheim and composer Leonard Bernstein collaborated to turn "Romeo and Juliet" into a modern story of rival gangs on the streets of 1950s inner city New York, where the whites and the Puerto Ricans battle for supremacy. Robert Wise co-directs the screen adaptation with stage choreographer Jerome Robbins, and he gives Robbins a free hand to let dance and movement dominate, while Leonard Bernstein's score is, simply put, one of the greatest in musical history.
The Blu-ray comes in two editions. The three-disc Blu-ray+DVD features the extras of the previous DVD special editions (the hour-long documentary "West Side Memories," storyboard-to-film comparisons) plus new supplements: "A Place for Us: West Side Story's Legacy," a half-hour featurette that looks back on the impact and influence of the original show and the film; "Pow! The Dances of West Side Story," a picture-in-picture track that engages for the dance numbers; song specific commentary by lyricist Stephen Sondheim; and a jukebox function to jump directly to the songs. The documentaries are presented in a separate disc.
Here's a clip from "A Place for Us: West Side Story's Legacy" featured on the Blu-ray.
The Deluxe Edition doesn't offer much more than the regular Blu-ray, and certainly nothing essential. The standard plastic case is replaced by a foldout digibook with slipsleeve trays and includes a bonus CD tribute, but it's limited to a mere 8 songs. The set comes in a box that also features a 40-page hardcover booklet with notes and photos and an envelope with postcard reproductions of film posters from around the world. Fun for the "West Side" fanatic but of nominal interest to everyone else and, by my measure, not worth the hefty price increase.
The transfer is gorgeous and the image and sound is getting high marks from the critics I trust to measure and judge technical quality (see Robert Harris at Home Theater Forum and Gary Tooze at DVD Beaver), but there is a small but significant error in the presentation of the opening credits: The dissolve from the stylized skyline to the Main Title has been replaced by a fade-to-black and then a fade into the Main Titles.
Fox is not recalling the sets but has promised to provide what they call a "running fix" and replace the faulty discs at a later date, which means that if you purchase the set now, you will have to follow-up late and arrange for a replacement to get the correct edition. For more details on the problem (and the blame), check out the research by Jeffrey Wells at Hollywood Elsewhere.
Why does something so small matter? Because the job of a Blu-ray is to honor the film and bring you as accurate a representation of an ideal film screening experience as possible within the bounds of the format. Some issues are simply a matter of the materials available. This gaffe is a production error, however, and is correctable.
For more releases, see Hot Tips and Top Picks: DVDs and Blu-rays for November 15
The entire run of Michael Mann's cops and gangsters show at a bargain price
After helping turn "Miami Vice" into the defining neon crime show of its era, Michael Mann turned back the clock and put his stamp on "Crime Story: The Complete Series" (Image). Created by former Chicago cop Chuck Adamson and Gustave Reininger, Mann's sixties-era gangster series made for a fabulous mix of genres (old-time gangster thriller, modern mob movie and early rock and roll sixties culture) and one of the most stylish and snappy shows on TV.
Dennis Farina (also a former Chicago Cop and a Michael Mann favorite) is Lt. Mike Torello, a cop obsessed with to putting away ruthless street thug turned fast-rising mob superstar Ray Luca (Anthony Denison). Along with his crack unit (among them Bill Smitrovich and Bill Campbell), they follow him from the streets of Chicago to the bright lights and casino action of Las Vegas.
From its gritty streetwise feature length pilot to its atomic bombshell of a season climax, it was one of the most exciting blasts of TV excitement of its era. Snazzy duds, hairdos and period detail give the show a glitzy surface, the great music, hard-boiled dialogue and smartly composed scripts give it a great sound, and the tough guy camaraderie and obsessive sweep of the season-long clash of tough cops and arrogant mobsters provides the dramatic drive. Stephen Lang co-stars as the assistant DA who proves himself to be just as driven as Torello, and John Santucci (as the dim but unfailingly loyal Pauli Taglia), Ted Levine, Jay O. Sanders, and Andrew Dice Clay are among the colorful gangsters that help Luca build his criminal empire.
The complete series gets a new release in a bargain-priced edition: all 43 episodes of the two-season run, including the feature-length pilot directed by Abel Ferrara and starring David Caruso as a hot-headed Irish thug who falls victim to Luca. Guest stars in the first season include Pam Grier, Ving Rhames, Lorraine Bracco, Gary Sinise, Deborah Harry, Vincent Gallo, and Julia Roberts. The second season, which moves the action from Chicago to Las Vegas, opens with a thinly veiled fictionalization of Kennedy (part JFK, part Robert, played with a New England twang by Kevin Spacey) and Marilyn Monroe (Jenny Wright) but really gears up when Ray Lucca, presumed dead after his brush with an atom bomb test in the Nevada desert (one of the most mind-bending scenes on American TV in the eighties), returns more powerful and more protected than ever. Guest stars this season include Stephen McHattie, James Remar, David Soul, George Dzundza, David Hyde Pierce, Margaret Avery, Laura San Giacomo, Michael J. Pollard, and the return of Darlanne Fluegel (as Farina's ex-wife) and Pam Grier (as reporter Suzanne Terry).
The new nine-disc "25th Anniversary" set comes in the five-tray digibook and arrives in stores at a suggested retail price of $29.95 (less with the inevitable discounts). These appear to be the same transfers as the previous Anchor Editions: no remastering here, some of the episodes appear to be shorter syndication versions and some of the original music has been replaced (pretty common for shows of this vintage but frustrating for a show where music is such a major part of the equation). Del Shannon's great theme song, however, it intact, and that alone can power an episode. No supplements. We still await a definitive edition but this will make do until then.
Here's the opening credits sequence with Shannon's great reworking of "Runaway"
For more releases, see Hot Tips and Top Picks: DVDs and Blu-rays for November 15
Plus 'Griff the Invisible,' 'Main Street' and a Chinese remake of 'What Women Want'
Tom Hanks and Julia Roberts carry "Larry Crowne" (Universal), a romantic comedy of downsizing, second chances and making friends at community college. Videodrone's review is here. Speaking of second chances, "Beginners" (Universal) stars Ewan McGregor as an artist challenged to open up his life after his father (Christopher Plummer) comes out of the closet at age 75. Videodrone's review is here.
"Bellflower" (Oscilloscope) is a scruffy American indie about cars, friendship, the disappointment of romance and building the perfect car-mounted flame thrower for the apocalypse, and an impressive showcase debut for writer-director-editor-actor Evan Glodell, who reportedly made the film for under $15,000. "Like "Fight Club," "Bellflower" is about the unspoken challenge facing American young men trying to make it into manhood -- who do you have to explain to you how to be a man when your only models are the dads in the bad marriages who don't stay and the actors in the bad movies that don't stop?" writes MSN film critic James Rocchi. "It's warm and beautiful and terrible and scary, full of heart and blood and truly unique." The Blu-ray+DVD combo pack includes featurettes, interviews and outtakes.
"The Tree" (Zeitgeist), directed by Julie Bertuccelli, was the closing night film at Cannes 2010. Charlotte Gainsbourg stars as French widow in Australia whose youngest daughter thinks her dead father is speaking to her through the fig tree in their yard. "Despite the potential for some supernatural grandiosity, the tone here remains understated and quiet, and Gainsbourg's performance feels lived-in, and deep, and right," writes Philadelphia Inquirer critic Steven Rea. The DVD includes the featurette "In the Shadow of The Tree" and nine deleted scenes, plus an insert with a director interview.
"Griff the Invisible" (Vivendi), from Australia, stars Ryan Kwanten (of "True Blood") as a sad sack by day turned self-made superhero at night. "There have been so many movies about aspiring superheroes in recent years, they practically constitute their own genre," writes New York Daily News film critic Elizabeth Weitzman. "Though hardly ground-breaking, this whimsical Australian entry is just endearing enough to stand out from the pack." On DVD and Blu-ray, with commentary, making-of featurettes and deleted scenes among the supplements. James Rocchi interviews Ryan Kwanten for The Hitlist here.
"Main Street" (Magnolia) stars Colin Firth, Ellen Burstyn, Patricia Clarkson, Amber Tamblyn and Orlando Bloom, who were surely tempted to this ensemble piece for the chance to be in the final screenplay by Horton Foote. "Main Street shoots for a sprawling, John Saylesian portrait of a community, but beyond just being dramatically inert — you can only pick out the climax after the fact — its characters also seems curiously disconnected from each other and from the physical location in which they're supposed to live," complains Movieline film critic Alison Willmore. The DVD and Blu-ray include a featurette and deleted scenes.
From China comes a remake of "What Women Want" (China Lion) starring Andy Lau and Gong Li in roles created by Mel Gibson and Helen Hunt. "Andy Lau and Gong Li are appealing leads, but this Chinese-language carbon copy doesn't find a distinctive voice," writes Los Angeles Times film critic Mark Olsen. Also from China is the historical war epic "The Warring States" (China Lion), a South Korean co-production set in the early Chinese empire. Both in Mandarin with English and Chinese subtitles.
Jonathon Nossiter directs Charlotte Rampling, Bill Pullman, Irene Jacob and Fisher Stevens in "Rio Sex Comedy" (FilmBuff), which (as you might guess from the title) is a romantic comedy set in the sexually charged atmosphere of Rio de Janeiro.
True Stories:
On the non-fiction front is "The Topp Twins: Untouchable Girls" (Disinformation), about the New Zealand lesbian twin sister yodeling comedy duo. Village Voice film critic Melissa Anderson writes that "the beloved Kiwi duo, who frequently perform as a rotating cast of corny alter egos, can charm even the crankiest viewers, thanks to their soaring, clarion harmonies and cuddly-butch personas." The DVD includes a featurette and bonus interviews and deleted scenes.
Also this week is "The Wavy Gravy Movie: Saint Misbehaving" (Docurama), a portraits of the counterculture clown and activist who made his fame performing at Woodstock and touring with the Grateful Dead. Features almost an hour of deleted scenes. "Superheroes" (Docurama) looks at the self-styled citizen superheroes who patrol city streets today in homemade costumes and "When Strangers Click: Five Stories From The Internet" (Disinformation) profiles stories of couples who met through online dating.
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Boy, it takes a special type of person to blame the world's problems on too much ice creamy. Lighten up. Everything in moderation pal.
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Hey, getting fat takes constant effort. Nobody can get fat in a day. We need more icecream to feed our self-indulgence. Hooray for a new source of temptation. I need to gain more weight!
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Brian, that is the point, we do not do ice cream and sweet stores in moderation, in Palo Alto or most other places and it is one of the reason that we have the obesity economic, but you are right, not the cause of all the world's problems, but since no one argued that it did, maybe you ought to lighten up.
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Upgrade from Honeywell IAQ 9000 to Nest
So, subject says the gist. I'm curious if this is even a feasible upgrade, and whether or not it would even be worth it.
Has anyone seen a system go this way? I bought the IAQ largely because it was the best you could really get at the time (2008) to control my HP and AH.
Heck, I don't even know if the Nest is capable of controlling everything fully.
Anyone know?
HP and AH are both Trane.
XL15i, 4TWX5030B1 with the 4TEE3F39A1 air handler.
I would imagine an installer would need to remove the back end of the IAQ, and wire the Nest directly into the AH (since I'm pretty sure between the backend unit, and the thermostat, there are only 3 active wires).
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I bought a bunch of desks today, are they worth it? Last month I bought a Specialized SWorks Epic mountain bike. Worth it?
Worth what?
Let's face it, the thing is a beautiful and cool toy (both yours and mine). Clearly it's worth it, we bought them. If we get years of pleasure they will pay for themselves many times.
(You weren't planning to retire early on your energy savings, we're you? If so, and that was your only reason, it wasn't worth it.)Which makes more sense to you?
CONSERVATION - turning your thermostat back and being uncomfortable. Maybe saving 5-10%
ENERGY EFFICIENCY - leaving your thermostat where everyone is comfortable. Saving 30-70%
DO THE NUMBERS! Step on a HOMESCALE.
What is comfort? Well, it AIN'T just TEMPERATURE!
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that wasn't snarky or anything. =P
By "worth it", I guess I meant, would I lose some key function of the IAQ? I didn't mean, "Would this pay for itself". I'm a geek, it doesn't need to if it's cool enough, or has some killer feature (like, being able to access it online).
So I'd assume, given the response, you haven't done this "upgrade" yourself, or seen a case of it done. So whether the nest will handle everything the IAQ does, is unknown.
Basically, I'd imagine it must be able to talk to the external thermistor so it knows where the balance point of the HP is. And I'd assume that one could set that balance point manually. That it should be able to handle the variable speed AH fan (runs all the time at low speed, ramps up when there's heating/cooling). What about using the AC for dehumidifying? I guess I'm unsure of what functionality is controlled internally by the HP and AH, and what is controlled by the IAQ.
I guess really I'm looking for input from an HVAC tech that's actually worked with a Nest before in a HP setting, since the Nest site doesn't have a lot of the technical details (that I can find). Guess they're like Apple in that way as well.
I'd get the Honeywell Prestige 2.0 instead. It does more.
I've installed a few nests, two on heat pumps. As far as the coolness factor goes I'd give it a thumbs up, but it's not all that "smart" a thermostat when it comes to HVAC technology. It's really just a basic thermostat that has wifi capabilities and an app for your phone so it can be accessed remotely. No real user configurable settings.
The Nest thermostat doesn't do dehumidification, or work with outdoor temperature sensors, so you would lose a couple of key capabilities of the IAQ thermostat.
Depending on where the thermostat is located, the "learning" function of the Nest thermostat will be completely useless. The occupancy sensor needs line of sight to people moving around for that feature to work.
The "cool factor" of having control of the thermostat from your phone, or computer, wears off pretty quickly. For the vast majority of people, it is completely pointless.
For me personally, the "cool factor" wore off after about a month.
The only thing I use the internet control capabilities of my Ecobee thermostat for is remote monitoring of a small home built chiller system I use for a water cooled computer system. The Ecobee thermostat has an add on sensor board that a number of remote sensors can be tied into, and sets of dry contacts that can be used to turn things on and off. It also has some configurable alert options I find useful.
The Nest thermostat has none of those capabilities.If more government is the answer, then it's a really stupid question.
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Thanks Mark! So, I'm curious, how does the Nest know when to use emergency/secondary heat if it doesn't work with an outdoor temp probe?
But heck, you answered a follow up question as well, which is "what about the Ecobee".
At this point, I'm probably going to stick with the IAQ since it does "just work". Sure, it's kinda ugly, but it gets the job done.
And the dehumidification thing, I'm sure they could add via software update (since all the system does is run the AC for a bit before ramping up the fan so the evap coils are nice and cold, then pull all that moisture out of the air with that). Seems like a software update could add that feature pretty easily.
Thanks again!
Maybe, but got you to give meaningful detail to your original question.
2 stages of heat, one of cooling. I believe backup would be second stage. They have a pretty thorough q/a and blog on their site. If you have better equipment, this is a very pretty turd.
Communicating equipment does A LOT MORE than just delay the fan. I'm not sure how much of those features translate down to iaq, but I suspect you are underestimating what that unit does. (oop, bt jumped in with the answer above - that's a BIG feature).
Mark, really awesome and helpful reply.Which makes more sense to you?
CONSERVATION - turning your thermostat back and being uncomfortable. Maybe saving 5-10%
ENERGY EFFICIENCY - leaving your thermostat where everyone is comfortable. Saving 30-70%
DO THE NUMBERS! Step on a HOMESCALE.
What is comfort? Well, it AIN'T just TEMPERATURE!
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I greatly dislike the Nest, the technology is not HVAC technology. Stick with the Honeywell Prestige 2.0 with redlink kit for the best control. I am constantly seeing those horrible Nest thermostats because of their flashy look the Nest would be a downgrade for you.
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Agree with others. other than WiFi and being pretty it's a basic big box store grade thermostat. No advanced features that most other stats in it's price class have.
They should being keeping the nest on the shelf next to Lux and Hunter thermostats.
All 3 are pieces of junk."Better tell the sandman to stay away, because we're gonna be workin on this one all night."
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Grischa Tellenbach (grischa.tellenbach)
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Posted: Tue Sep 23, 2003 5:21 pm
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Go Canada !!!
Tell me where net is getting big.
In France it's Montpellier (at least 6 players) and Paris (at least 10 players, compared to 0 in 1999 and 4 in 2000 and we lost 1 of the original 4)
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Roman Gornitsky (eR-mine)
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Posted: Tue Sep 23, 2003 6:37 pm
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only "open discussion" forum has more posts, then "footbag net" has. most-talked-about-on-this-forum game is going to die? i don't really think so =).
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Steve Goldberg (brat)
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Posted: Tue Sep 23, 2003 7:18 pm
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Roman Gornitsky (eR-mine) wrote:
only "open discussion" forum has more posts, then "footbag net" has. most-talked-about-on-this-forum game is going to die? i don't really think so =).
Well, it's "most talked about" because I created a contentious thread that is forcing people into a discussion. Duh.
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Brian Johnson (gumby)
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Posted: Tue Sep 23, 2003 9:22 pm
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Not to mention this is the only section dealing with Net footbag. All the other sections of the forum are basically dealing with different divisions of freestyle footbag.
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Martin Côté (martincote)
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Posted: Wed Sep 24, 2003 3:11 pm
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This is quite an interesting thread, don't have time to comment for now but will get back. That's a great idea Steve to provide this discussion forum. It look much more active than the list
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Ludovic Lacaze (ludo88)
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Location: Montpellier, France
Posted: Wed Sep 24, 2003 3:54 pm
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Hi guys,
just answering few points in our point of view in france and more generaly in europe : i play in intermediate in the last world championships in prague and i don't think that intermediate players (newbies) are that old most of the german, fin's and slovenian guys i have meet have between 20 and 25 which is not that old ???
So i 'm thinking that maybe newbies will come from europe (the same for freestyle), the problem is that afreestyler can progress because there's a lot of resources on the net, i am working on this for net with the help of PT and all the chaos team who help me to take videos during worlds. So i hope that i will be able to put vids on the internet on a new net website that i am actually building. And i am actually working on good videos on CD's to help newbies to progress easily because i have not ound anything more than a text , 10 pics and a short vid of 3 sec about a spike which look like Kung-Fu.
I hope that the newbies in europe at least will work for the growing of net by putting resources on the web.
PS: PT i am waiting for your vid... i'll send you mine as soon as it will be finished
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Jon Robison (narfman0)
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Posted: Wed Sep 24, 2003 10:37 pm
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Personally I think that net will die because: why play net when you can freestyle? Don't you think freestyle is more "teamy" and enthralling anyways?? You can play it alone, you progress like mad, then you show off. Maybe you play in a circle, get noticed, and show off. Net is an offshoot of the actual freestyle. Since net is just a branch of footbag, and freestyle just being footbag, then the freestyle aspect must stay longer than the net aspect of footbag. Who really wants to play net over freestyle? Perhaps net won't even ever die, however, it will never thrive more than or close to freestyle. There will always be the net bums hanging on the court coaching people into following their path, but seriously, I would rather follow father mulroney on the trip to seven-add-dom.
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Steve Goldberg (brat)
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Posted: Thu Sep 25, 2003 12:56 am
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Ludovic Lacaze (ludo88) wrote:
... i will be able to put vids on the internet on a new net website that i am actually building
Yep, Ludo, c'est parfait. Just go do your own thing, that's right. We definitely shouldn't be working together and contributing to a central place. Everyone go off and try it yourself. Good luck with that.
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P.T. Lovern (ptlovern)
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Posted: Thu Sep 25, 2003 3:40 am
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Jon Robison (narfman0) wrote:
There will always be the net bums hanging on the court coaching people into following their path,
Hey buddy,
You need to settle down on the bums call.
Freestyle has subjective scoring, in other words judges decide who wins. Net has a score board. Sports with a scoreboard seem to be way more popular in the sporting world these days. Look at figure skating or a beauty contest compared to football. When footbag net rises rowdy crowds will erupt with it. Fans love a score board. You can't judge the sport as it stands now time will tell. Today's Freestyle footbag isn't the original footbag if I remember people used to pass it around a little more in the process of showing off. But lets not go there.
Jon Robison (narfman0) wrote:
But seriously, I would rather follow father mulroney on the trip to seven-add-dom.
You obviously have never crushed a good footbag spike either
Lets keep the net forum on the postive tip here.
Your footbag net bum
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Grischa Tellenbach (grischa.tellenbach)
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Posted: Thu Sep 25, 2003 12:05 pm
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Steve nobody ever said something about that you are putting new net stuff on footbag.org. (until very recently)
Searching for net related stuff on the internet was frustrating for the last years. the only one I know is this canadian site with really bad vid quality.
So, at this worlds tonnes of net players where filming top players, to get something to put on the internet.
But if you do it serisouly with PT on fbag.org it will hopefully fill this BIG gap.
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Steve Goldberg (brat)
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Posted: Thu Sep 25, 2003 3:58 pm
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Grischa Tellenbach (grischa.tellenbach) wrote:
Steve nobody ever said something about that you are putting new net stuff on footbag.org
Grischa, you still don't get it. Nobody seems to. If you all wait for
to "put new stuff on footbag.org", you'll wait forever. I don't have time to just be everyone's slave building web pages. I am trying to provide much higher level value by creating mechanisms for people to publish things themselves on this resource. That's the way it's been since the beginning. But, the old addage, "if you build it, they will come," (okay, not so old) has not been true in footbag. I've found most people prefer the creative process of building their own independent websites which I think has really sapped the value we could have created as a team. This same argument applies to the whole issue of footbag organization in general. IFPA's supposed to be a framework for collaboration whereby organizers all around the world can participate in the governance of the sport, and assist with volunteer projects to help bring the sport to the next level. But until recently (it's better now, but only slightly), the Europeans (we should start this thread on the European channel on the forum) were all trying to organize their own rules and what-not. Anyway, I'm rambling but you get the idea.
Grischa Tellenbach (grischa.tellenbach) wrote:
But if you do it serisouly with PT on fbag.org it will hopefully fill this BIG gap.
I'm glad you think this, however, it's not
doing this with
, it's
stepping up (like others have failed to do) and starting to do work for the promotion of the sport using the tools provided, and giving me feedback on ways to improve the tools.
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Ludovic Lacaze (ludo88)
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Posted: Thu Sep 25, 2003 7:18 pm
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Sorry steve if you take it wrong but what i need to publish video on the internet is a web access which i will obtain in less than a month after that i hope that the most important number of people will see them and i think that it will be in footbag.org so if you want ( i know you already ask for this and that's why i'm working on it because you ask someone to do it) i can upload my videos on footbag.org but what i need is only an hard driv or a way to comunicate links to vids (if you want me to put certain kind of vids or certain quality or size ... tell me or just give me an FTP pass or a place where i can add links and i can upload soem vids in a month.
Again sorry if you take it wrong but you already told me that you are really busy and i was working on a VHS but because i do it on my computer it will onl tke 1 hr to put it on the net.
Send me a mail or tell me directly on the forum what is interesting you.
Maybe see you soon on a net court in Montpellier.
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Steve Johnson (Zescape)
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Location: New Castle, DE, USA
Posted: Thu Sep 25, 2003 9:45 pm
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Back to the topic...
I think most of the major reasons for the decline in Net's popularity have been touched upon.
1.) Lack of internet exposure
When I started playing freestyle, I was also curious about net, but could find almost nothing in the way of videos or tutorials on the web. The spikes and clips recently put into the move list here are a huge step in the right direction. Net does not lend itself to video as well as freestyle. The games are too long to upload/download the whole thing. A site where one could download particularly exciting points from championship matches at tournaments would be really great.
2.) Lack of recruiting/ new blood
I'm not sure I agree with the statement that established players do not try to teach new players and bring them into the game. Vince Bradley has been trying to get me to come down to College Park to learn some net. Were I not injured, I would have already been there, because a teacher would be immensely helpful. This year at Funtastiks, Jaime Lepley inducted my buddy Jon Felix (another up and coming net player) into Team Net Wrecker. In my limited experience, people in the net community have seemed very willing to take newbies under their wings.
The steep learning curve is certainly a factor. Just getting used to kicking a net bag takes some time and effort, let alone setting and spiking with accuracy. However, the mid-atlantic region of the US has quite a few "pros-in-training." East Coasts and Funtastiks both had strong intermediate and novice fields.
3.) Tournament format
This has not been mentioned, so I thought I would bring it up. I think a majority of the new generation of net players are starting as freestylers. This is great, it gives them a base on which to build net skills. However, the events I have attended were not very conducive to playing both freestyle and net. The games seem to keep coming and coming. Don't get me wrong, I really like net, but at both East Coasts and Funtastiks I wanted to shred as the afternoon wore on only to realize I had like 8 games left. This could be a big turn-off to freestylers trying net for the first time.
I'll save what I think should be done for another post. For now, adios.
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Allan Haggett (allan)
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Posted: Thu Sep 25, 2003 10:10 pm
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..snip... but at both East Coasts and Funtastiks I wanted to shred as the afternoon wore on only to realize I had like 8 games left. This could be a big turn-off to freestylers trying net for the first time.
I'd have to say I agree that this is a pretty major factor. I go to tournaments to freestyle, but although I like Net enough, I tend to shy away from the Net courts a little because it does seem like
a committment. Don't get me wrong; I know the committment is a part of the game -- espcially in a tourny environment. But freestyle is
less demanding. If I'm competing in any and/or all of the freestyle events I know that I'm able to "hang out" still and just shred with whomever I want and be casual for the bulk of the day. All I have to worry about is the half hour before my run (during which time my stomach does those wonderful flip flops), the two minutes (MAX) that I'm out there for and then it's back to hanging out and doing "whatever". You can hardly say the same for Net. If you compete, you're there for the day. From an outside perspective, it seems like some of "you net players" barely have time to run to the store for a drink on competition days
I really have no idea what the solution to this is -- I think Steve maybe touched on it in another thread somewhere in relation to having SO many freestyle competitors and how to seed them etc - perhaps Net tournaments need to have less rounds and separate the playing levels a little more. I dunno
I'd like to add that I think one of the things that will bring Net out of it's current slump will be the game of 4 Square. Not only are freestylers and net players brought together (to build on social alliances that would make it easier for "recruitment" to take place) on the 4 square court, but it also exposes many freestylers to a completely different game that is actually closer to net than freestyle -- even though it grew out of freestyle. How's that for a paradox?
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Posted: Tue Oct 07, 2003 7:55 am
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Sorry if these points i am trying to make here have been discussed many times before, because i did not have time to read all the messages under this topic. I should note here that I am watching these things from a Finnish perspective.
It is obvious that the lack of new players is killing footbag net. So, why are there so few new net players? I think it after all is much of a promotional issue. At least here in Finland when we do footbag net demos there is always some freestyle involved as well. I think it is believed that there has to be some freestyle for the public to understand that the demo is after all about footbag, because freestyle is the form of footbag everybody is aware of. So, after a demo there are some young kids interested about the sport asking if they can try to kick some. They try to kick a netbag and find it really hard to do. They also kick a freestyle bag and surprisingly find it much easier and maybe even start to kick regularly.
You might think here, what the heck is wrong with that? I say nothing. But it could be possible to arrange things so that the net game would have better changes to get more attention as well. We could promote footbag net by arranging particularly net demos without any freestyle kicking. So footbag net would be "the main act" for the public. And when the interested kids come to ask about the sport and try to play themselves, it would all be about footbag net.
I know this is not a new idea, but it clearly has not been given enough thought, at least in Finland. All the freestylers reading this may think that why forcing people to play net if they like freestyle better. I am not saying that. I just think that in order to survive and get bigger footbag net should get the attention it deserves and not always be promoted as if it was just a side-act of footbag freestyle.
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