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Myomin by Chi's Enterprise and Dr Chi supports the reduction of estrogens in men and women. Myomin is commonly used by women to help naturally shrink uterine fibroids and benefits women with high levels of estrogen. Myomin may be taken by men with low testosterone and has shown to support men's prostate health. This all-natural formula of Chinese herbs that has been shown to help metabolize unhealthy estrogens and promote proper hormonal balance. 120 Capsules.
Also try Myomin Plus by Chi's Enterprise, which includes Astragalus and Notopterygium root for additional support and added GI comfort.
Myomin Benefits:
Myomin benefits women with high levels of estrogen or experiencing symptoms caused by high estrogen levels. Myomin benefits women experiencing symptoms caused by uterine fibroids, cysts, endometriosis, and estrogen-receptive growths.
Myomin Men?
Yes! Myomin benefits men who are experiencing high levels of estrogen. Men get high levels of circulating estrogens from environmental toxins, just like women, or from poor liver detoxification, obesity or other reasons. Myomin has shown to benefit men with specific prostate disorders. As men age, testosterone decreases and estrogen increases. Given that Myomin helps minimize estrogen formation, this indirectly increases testosterone. Learn more below about why Myomin and men work well together as men age.
Myomin Side Effects
Myomin side effects are minimal and the side effects by Myomin can be avoided:
Chang Hai Hospital studies show approximately 1% of the subjects taking Myomin experienced side effects such as nausea and bloating. These Myomin side effects go away when the Myomin dosage is reduced or when Myomin is taken with meals.
Estrogen-dominant disorders such as endometriosis, cysts, fibroids and breast cancer may benefit from taking Myomin by Dr Chi. Myomin supports the reduction of estrogen production which is why Myomin is so effective for many women in reducing uterine fibroids and reducing estrogen-sensitive cells.
Myomin is an all-natural herbal formula that can support the reduction of estrogen through Chinese herbs.The herbal ingredients of Myomin are Aralia, Smilax glabra, Curcurma zedoria, and Cyperus otundus. These herbs have been traditionally used for various female ailments and hormone related disorders. Aralia and Cyperus rotundus both help reduce estradiol. Cyperus is also effective against cervical endometriosis and cervical carcinoma. Additionally, Aralia has been found to be cytotoxic against several human cancer cell lines.
Aromatase is a key enzyme in the synthesis of estrogen. Specifically, it converts androstenedione into estrone and testosterone into estradiol. For instance, evidence shows that breast cancer and prostate cancer tissues overexpress aromatase. Inhibiting aromatase, therefore, plays an important role in suppressing the deleterious action of estrogen on hormone related conditions. This is why Myomin is so helpful in uterine fibroids and other high estrogen disorders such as endometriosis.
An in vivo study demonstrated that Myomin inhibits the aromatase enzyme in the ectopic endometrium and ovarian tissue of rats. Aromatase was expressed markedly in the untreated ectopic endometrium of the positive control group. On the other hand, aromatase expression significantly decreased in the ectopicendometrium of the Myomin group after 28 days.
Similar to the ectopic endometrium tissue, aromatase expression was remarkably high in the untreated ovaries of the positive control group. After 28 days of therapy with Myomin, aromatase expression was significantly reduced in the ovarian tissue.
Image analysis of both the ectopic endometrium and ovarian tissues yielded elevated aromatase expression in the positive control group (108.9 and 149.8,respectively) in both tissues. After administration with Myomin for 28 days, aromatase expression reduced to 34.7 in the endometrium and 47.0 in the ovary. This translates to a 100% reduction of aromatase expression in the endometrium and an 85.6% reduction in the ovary compared to the negative control group.
Myomin has three functions:
Myomin Reduces Estradiol Levels
One study performed at the Shanghai Medical School illustrates the effect of Myomin on estradiol levels of mice during pregnancy – a period when estradiol levels are especially high. Two groups of 12 mice each were used in the study. One group was used as the control. The other group was given Myomin beginning 15 days into pregnancy. Three days later (on the 18 th day of the study), the average estradiol level of the Myomin group was 7.22pg/ml, approximately seven times less than the control group. After 6 days of taking Myomin (on the 21 st day of the study), their average estradiol level was 8.81pg/ml while it was 85.98 pg/ml for the control group.
In another study, 90 female mice were divided into three groups. Each group was then given Myomin for 30, 60 and 180 days, respectively. The average estradiol levels after each period was 50.6, 36.6, and 32.4 pg/ml, respectively. After 180 days, the estradiol level stabilized. These results demonstrate long-term use of Myomin reduces estradiol in such a way that it maintains around the normal level. No side effects were reported in this study.
A human study involved 60 postmenopausal women with cysts and/or fibroids. Postmenopausal women were studied because their estradiol levels are more stable than those of premenopausal women. Initially, the average estradiol level was 74.52 pg/ml. After only 10 days on Myomin, their average estradiol level reduced to 38.84 pg/ml. The fibroids, cysts and associated pain gradually reduced.
Myomin and Estrogen Dominant Disorders
A study from Chang Hai Hospital involved 75 cases of fibrocystic breasts (70 women ages 18 to 52 years old and 5 men ages 62 to 64 years old). Sixty five percent of the women were under 35 years old. 25 cases were in the control group while 50 cases were in the Myomin group. Results of the study revealed that, in 14 cases, the fibrocystic breast completely cleared after 1 month of taking Myomin while, in 16 cases, the fibrocystic breast reduced 50% in size. Among the five men in the study, the cysts cleared completely in 3 cases. Overall, the effectiveness rate of Myomin is more than 60%, compared to the control group's 12% rate. In the Myomin group, in 48 out of 50 cases,associated pain cleared or tremendously reduced (p value <0.05) while in the control group, pain reduced in only 12 out of 25 cases.
A 1994 clinical study was conducted on 255 patients with ovarian cysts and endometriosis. After 5 months, Myomin was effective on 147 patients (57%) while some improvements was observed in 87 patients (34.1%). No effect was observed in only 21 patients.
Another study was conducted on both pre- and postmenopausal women with ovarian cysts. In one study from the Chang Hai Hospital in Shanghai, China, 85 female patients with ovarian cysts were involved, with ages ranging from 27to 64 years old (more than 50% of them between 34 and 45 years old). Out of the 85, 40 cases were related to endometriosis (hyatidiform cyst), 44 cases were simple ovarian cysts and 1 was a case of ovarian cancer. After 1 to 3 courses of the herbal formula, the cysts and symptoms of 15 patients completely cleared with no recurrence 3 months after the study. In 34 patients, the size of the cyst reduced by 50% and some of the associated symptoms were relieved.
Y. Dikansky, DDS from NY, has a 38 year old female patient with an ovarian cyst for 8 years. The cyst was 3.7x6x2. After 3 months on Myomin, the cyst cleared.
A 2000 study at the Shanghai Medical School was performed on 60 patients with small uterine fibroids. It revealed that if Myomin is used in combination with Revivin, it is 69.2% effective on uterine fibroids that exceed 2.5cm in size. Another alternative would be to combine Myomin with Angiostop, an angiogenesis inhibitor.
The potential applications of aromatase inhibitors in many health conditions are continually increasing. They have been shown to reduce the risk of recurrent breast cancer, especially when used for a longer period. However, the aromatase inhibitor drugs in the market today are indicated for postmenopausal women only. This is very limiting especially since more and more premenopausal women are developing estrogen-related conditions. It is for this reason that the results of these studies on Myomin are significant. As stated before, Myomin has been used in clinical studies and found to be effective in both premenopausal and postmenopausal women with ovarian cysts, fibrocystic breast and endometriosis as well as in men with fibrocystic breast. It is able to produce these favourable results by inhibiting aromatase and consequently reducing estrogen levels.
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Aromatase inhibition is important in men as well. As men age, testosterone is being more readily converted to estrogen through the aromatase enzyme. Increased estrogen levels can lead to problems such as prostate cancer, prostatitis, and even gynecomastia. Evidence suggests that local aromatase expression in the prostate increases malignancy. In fact, the level of aromatase expression in malignant prostate tissue is comparable to that in breast cancer tissue. As a result, local estrogen levels are also promoted at the prostate tumor site, increasing growth. Aromatase inhibitors like Myomin will help block the action of aromatase, thereby minimizing the depletion of testosterone and reducing estrogen levels.
Myomin for Relief of Menopausal Symptoms
Myomin has also been reported to be effective in reducing the severity and frequency of hot flashes in some women. Although its exact mechanism on this particular function remains to be elucidated, it may be explained by Myomin's ability to compete with estrogen at the cells' estrogen receptors. It should be noted, however, that some women experience worsening of symptoms with Myomin. This is probably due to very low levels of estrogen in these women.
Myomin for Abdominal Fat
An aromatase inhibitor like Myomin can also reduce abdominal fat. Abdominal obesity is associated with decreased testosterone levels (or hypogonadism) and increased estradiol levels. Hypogonadism leads to the deposition of fat in the abdomen. As fat accumulates, aromatase activity increases at the site, causing more testosterone to be converted into estradiol. Taking testosterone or DHEA supplements is not enough because if aromatase is uncontrolled, then testosterone and DHEA will eventually be converted to estradiol. Adding anaromatase inhibitor like Myomin blocks the action of aromatase, effectively preventing the testosterone from being converted into estradiol. This leads to more muscle mass and the loss of abdominal weight.
Myomin is an herbal formula that is both an anti-estrogen agent and an aromatase inhibitor. This formula combined with Angiostop, an angiogenesis inhibitor, presents an effective combination for breast cancer. Revivin may also be added to help kill cancer cells. To boost the immune system, Asparagus Extract and Reishi Spore Extract are recommended.
Myomin And Chi-F For PCOS
PCOS is associated with an excess level of the androgens testosterone, androstenedione, and DHEA. This leads to a condition of excess hair growth, which is common in some women with PCOS.
Managing PCOS involves inducing ovulation, making the menstrual cycle normal and reducing associated symptoms. In many cases, supplementation with progesterone is recommended. However, there are may be future risks involved.
In the biochemical pathway of sex hormones, progesterone and androgens are precursors to estrogen. This means that the higher the amount of progesterone and androgens, the more estrogen is produced (through the action of the aromatase enzyme). Excess estrogen is common in obese women. As fat accumulates, aromatase activity increases, leading to the conversion of more androgens into estrogen.
Myomin is an ideal supplement for normalizing estrogen levels. It acts by inhibiting the aromatase enzyme, stopping the conversion of androgens into estrogen. Numerous studies have shown that Myomin is able to reduce estrogen levels in as little as 10 days. It also reduces ovarian cysts.
Because of the imbalance of hormones in PCOS, Chi-F is also recommended. Studies have shown that Chi-F balances hormones in the body, making it effective for reducing symptoms associated with menstrual abnormalities in women.
The Development of Myomin, a Chinese herbal formula, has been clinically shown to reduce fibroid cysts, to have effective inhibition rates and improve immunity. It contains Curcuma zedoaria (Berg.) Rosc., Cyperus rotundus L.,Smilax glabra Roxb., Areca catechu L. (Pericarpium arecae), and Aralia Dasyphylla Miq. Myomin has also been proven to induce interferon, tumor necrosis factor, interleukin-2, and lymphatic toxin. This herbal supplement is especially beneficial when treating ovarian poly-cysts as well as mammary ductal hyperplasia. In addition, it has been found to be effective in treating breast cancer as well as cervical cancer. Through clinical data it has been shown that Myomin is excellent for treating endometriosis and does not result in negative side effects such as weight gain or dry vagina. For best results, Myomin should be taken 3 times a day, 2-3 capsules each time. It should only betaken 30 minutes after each meal.
In another respect, Myomin can reduce myoma symptoms and significantly reduce the size of the growths. Myomin is good for maintaining good health in female organs such as the breasts, uterus and ovaries. This amazing mixture has also been shown to prevent ectopic pregnancy, adjust irregular menstrual cycles, prevent post-operative adhesion of organs and now has been found to work on skin tumors as well. Myomin works best on tumors no larger than 2-3cmin each dimension. It is excellent for kidney and thyroid cysts. Improvements should be seen within 2-3 months of treatment. In regard to cervical cancer, aspeedy rate of improvement (within 4-6 months) should also be observed. The product works to increase circulation and dissolve clots, detoxifying thesystem and mitigating fever. It is excellent for alleviation of enlarged livers and spleens and cirrhosis.
Clinical Studies:
In an experiment done to test the effectiveness of Myomin, 100 patients were given Myomin and after a 2-3 month treatment period, two-thirds of tumors were reduced and the overall volume of menstrual fluid was reduced by 50%. The total effectiveness rate was 44% while the control group showed only 15% effectiveness using conventional treatment only.
Myomin also helps to shrink fibroids and so is also beneficial for patients who suffer from cysts found in the ovary, kidney, liver, thyroid and breasts.Clinical studies have shown that Myomin is capable of inhibiting cysts and abnormal growths, such as tumors, as well as improving immunity, induce interferon levels, tumor necrosis factor and interleukins. The results of several hundred case studies regarding ovarian cysts show that the effectiveness of Myomin on ovarian cysts is 57.7%. In addition to being the most commonly found benign tumor on female genitalia, myoma is the most frequently observed tumor in the entire body. Myomin has been clinically shown to reduce myoma symptoms of galactoma, neurinoma, endometriosis and cysts in many organs.
Myomin for Osteoporosis and Kidney Function
Myomin has also been shown to be excellent in the improvement of osteoporosis and kidney function. In a test including 160 people (152 women and 8 men) with osteoporosis, 29% of the patients actually improved their condition with use of the product, as well as their overall bone density in a course of 2 years. Conventional calcium treatment methods showed only a 10% rate of effectiveness. And since the product is shown to be good for the kidneys, it works to prevent hair loss in those with poor kidney function. In tests conducted on over 1000 patients at the Bejing Red Cross Hospital, 86% benefited from Myomin use.
Chang Hai Hospital in Shang Hai reported 75 case studies involving fibrocystic breast disease. Five of the patients were males. Their ages ranged from 18-52 years old. The two males were 62 and 64 years years old. 65% of thegroup were under 35 years old. 50 of the patients were treated with Myomin andthe other 25 were used as controls in a double blind study. The Myomin group consisted of 38 people with both breasts afflicted. More than 60% of thefibrocysts were over 3cm. They were treated with Myomin three times a day,three capsules at a time, for up to 3 months. Within one month, 14 cases werealready improved. Totally, only 5 cases were unaffected. 90% of the cases showed improvements. 95% of the patients reported a reduction in pain. Both males and females experienced these positive results.
When taken 30 minutes after meals, 3 times a day, Myomin produces excellent results. For those with Ductal hyperplasia, Myomin successfully inhibits proliferation of the lactation ducts and the difference is noticeable within days of treatment. Its beneficial effects on ovarian cysts can be observed within one month of usage. Symptoms of abdominal pain, myoma, and irregular period and discharge cycles are all improved within 1-2 months of taking Myomin as recommended.
Cost Per Serving: $0.75
Brand: Chi's Enterprise
Delivery type: Vegetarian Capsule
Contraindications: Consult your physician before use
Made In: USA
Serving size: 2 capsules
Servings per container: 60
Proprietary Herbal Extract Blend | 1000 mg | * |
Astragalus membranaceus | - | - |
Curcuma zedoaria | - | - |
Cyperus rotundus | - | - |
Astragalus membranaceus, Curcuma zedoaria, Cyperus rotundus, gelatin capsule.
Other Ingredients
No preservatives, no sodium, no artificial colors, no yeast.
Suggested Use
2-3 capsules, 2-3 times a day after meals.
Keep out of reach of children.
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Item was very reasonably priced and shipped super fast. I will be ordering again soon.
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The speedy delivery of this product is the best by far I have experienced. The free shipping is a huge value. The product has helped with decreasing the amount of bleeding from my uterine fibroid tumors. I have even noticed my abdomen decrease in size. this is my second order from this company and I will continue to order because I actually see results from the product and the company has the best delivery service so far from my experience.
Order # 167329 (Posted on 10/17/12)
I've been taking Myomin for 4 months for fibroids. I am going to have them checked the end of December.
I met Dr. Chi at the New Life Expo and he said it may take 5-6 months for the fibroids to go away.
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I've been taking myomin for months now, and I believe it has made my menstrual cycle manageable. I have fibroids, and they have slowly decreased in size. The pain is now minimal, and the bleeding is manageable.
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Product was delivered promptly and professionally and so far after about two weeks it seems to be working great. I can feel positive changes with reduced pain and cysts. I am looking forward to experiencing additional benefits... :)
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How come there are ONLY good reviews on all of this products websites except for Amazon. I started taking only 2 pills for 7 or 8 days and my first cycle was a DREAM compared to what I've experienced for the past 30 years of my life. Literally no cramps at all, everything was great. I increased to 4 tabs a day after about 21 days and started having regular headaches everyday a few hours after I took the first 2 pills with food. The headaches stay the rest of the day. The same week I started spotting and the end of that week woke up with a severe headache, cramping and bleeding. My right ovary even hurts. I'm not saying the product doesn't work; I am saying there can be side effects. (Posted on 10/17/12)
Very professional and fast delivery. Thank you guys!
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I was told to take Myomin for prostate health by a health professional. I have been taking this for eight months and blood tests show improvement of prostate health.
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Myomin is adding to my overall health and nutrition plan. I am attributing this, at least in part, to the loss of stomach fat and higher testosterone levels. (Posted on 10/17/12)
It is working fine at stopping my hair loss.
Thank you!
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My General Practitioner prescribed Myomin to help treat adrenal fatigue and estrogen dominance. I have never felt better. This has improved my PMS and estrogen dominance. I feel calmer. I have an ovarian cyst that I hope this product will also help. Will continue to take as directed by my Doctor.
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As a male, I had an unusually high estrogen level: 61 and far above a normal reading of 25. Working with my physician we've developed a strategy to bring it down. One component of our program is Myomin, which my physician suspects is the most pivotal aspect we're employing. My estrogen reading is now 18.
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Blood work came back "perfect". I'm happy with the effectiveness of this supplement. (Posted on 10/17/12)
I started taking Myomin recently on the recommendation of an ND. It was highly recommended. Order # 103671. (Posted on 10/17/12)
Great price and fast delivery on DR Chi's Myomin!!! I started taking it by recommendation of Dr Wong. Noticing the difference!
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Myomin was suggested as a product that would help support my hormone system. I've been taking it for 6 weeks and plan to continue until no longer needed. Order #103750 (Posted on 10/17/12)
I began taking Myomin based on the recommendation of my doctor who although also practices supplement therapy along with other alternative therapies. Will continue using until hormones are balanced.
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We feel that the product made my grandson more calmer and helped him with his mood swings. (Posted on 10/17/12)
I started taking Angiostop and Myomin together a week before chemo for stage 4 colorectal cancer. Some sympthoms of the colon cancer were reduced or just went away like severe gastrointestinal pain. Another factor that may have contributed, was that all products with gluten and refined sugars were almost eliminated. My 1st and 2nd chemo treatments have been very easy. My Dr. at M.D. Anderson, Houston, TX said it was ok for me to take both of these after seeing how well I was doing after my 1st Chemo. My liver functions improved by 50% after just 1 chemo treatment. Order No. 34453. (Posted on 10/17/12)
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Hello -
I suspect that you have some blockages in your estrogen metabolism and those are what may need to be addressed.
Myomin and DIM+I3C are useful in lowering estrogen but do not get at the root cause of the elevation.
I'd consider looking at your lifestyle, diet, liver health and potentially some genetic mutations such as MTHFR and COMT.
In the meantime, starting on DIM+I3C is a good start along with taking ProBiota 12 and Liver Nutrients and Optimal Fish Oil.
A consult here is highly recommended. If you'd like my help in getting to the bottom of your elevated estrogen levels, I'm available via consults. Please call 800-689-8221 to set up a time and I'm there on call with you one on one.
In health,Dr Ben
Hello -
This is a complex medical question that is not safe for me to answer.
I apologize that I cannot offer more information.
Do ask your integrative physician if it is ok to take Myomin with your renal issue.
In health,
Dr Ben
Hello -
I am not sure why DIM cannot be taken if you have a thyroid problem. Research shows that DIM can be useful for thyroid disorders. http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/16219298
Myomin is useful in lowering elevated estrogen levels - so that is a good 2nd option.
In health,
Dr Ben
Hello -
It is always recommended to have your OB/GYN or midwife and/or integrative physician monitor your hormones when trying to conceive and while pregnant.
Myomin is a great product for those with PCOS as is DIM + I3C by Seeking Health.
If your estrogen levels are elevated, it is ok to take Myomin and/or DIM+I3C before getting pregnant. Once pregnant, I'd stop it and ask your integrative physician to see what they recommend.
I do recommend you consider taking 1 to 2 scoops of Inositol once to twice daily to help support insulin levels. Inositol may be significantly important to you currently.
I also suggest you consider Optimal Fish Oil capsules to help support healthy membranes and triglyceride levels. Consider taking 2 capsules with lunch and 2 capsules with dinner.
In health,
Dr Ben
Do you mean Calcium D Glucarate?
Taking calcium citrate will have no effect on estrogen levels - not to my knowledge.
Taking Myomin or DIM + I3C are both effective at supporting healthy estrogen levels.
Making sure you instill lifestyle and dietary changes to help lower estrogen levels is highly recommended.
In health,
Dr Ben
Thank you!
We will correct it!
Hello -
It appears that you may have elevated estrogen levels. Please have your doctor check your female hormone levels.
If your estrogen is elevated, Myomin or DIM+I3C by Seeking Health may be useful in supporting healthy estrogen levels.
Also, supporting your liver with Liver Nutrients by Seeking Health - at one capsule with dinner.
I would not recommend Myomin or DIM+I3C if your estrogen levels are fine.
Supporting your adrenals and thyroid gland is critical.
Consider taking 1 capsule of Pantothenic Acid with breakfast and 1 with lunch to support your adrenals.
Taking some quality fish oil may also help - such as Optimal Fish Oil - consider 2 capsules with dinner.
If you are struggling with restless legs, consider:- 1 to 2 capsules of Magnesium Plus before bed- 2 capsules of Ashwagandha before bed- 1/2 tablet of Active B12 with Metafolin upon rising.
Supporting your adrenals also with vitamin C is also recommended. Consider mixing 1 to 2 scoops of Optimal Vitamin C Powder in a liter of filtered water and drink throughout the day. This will help support your adrenals, hydration and also support glutathione recycling - for detoxification.
These recommendations may help you.
In health,
Dr Ben
Hello -
This is a question that you have to present to your integrative doctor.
Tamoxifen and Myomin both work on estrogens so it is best to work with an integrative doctor to check on your estrogen levels and estrogen fractionation.
Thank you for your inquiry. the ingredients are
Serving size: 2 capsules Servings per container: 60
Supplement Facts: | ||
Proprietary Herbal Extract Blend | 1000 mg | * |
Astragalus membranaceus | - | - |
Curcuma zedoaria | - | - |
Cyperus rotundus | - |
No preservatives, no sodium, no artificial colors, no yeast, no animal product.
It is a gelatin capsule.
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Hello and thanks for your question!
Myomin works by blocking the aromatase enzyme in the body, which in turn reduces the production of estrogen. This is an indirect action on estrogen. If your estrogen is sky high, DIM & IC3 are more potent and decrease estrogen even more than Myomin. They work by binding and blocking estrogen receptors and also increase an ability for your liver to detoxify excess estrogen. Talk to your doctor if you are interested in taking any of these products. DIM + I3C and Myomin may be taken together if your estrogen levels are elevated. You may need to take the DIM longer to see results. You must have you doctor monitor your estrogen levels as they should not get too low.
Also consider why your estrogen may be high? Some items to consider: Be aware of what you eat and where it comes from. Avoid drinking or eating out of plastic containers. Avoid heating food in plastic containers. Many plastics contain BPA (common sources of BPA: plastic cups, plastic water bottles, plastics (in general), lining of canned foods, etc.). Estrogen is readily increased through synthetic xenoestrogens, which are widely used industrial compounds, such as PCBs, BPA, and phthalates, which have estrogenic effects on a living organisms. Consider eating and drinking out of stainless steel and glass instead.
If overweight, consider losing weight because adipose tissue (ie: fat) creates estrogen.
Consider taking a probiotic. One capsule after dinner to help assist your body eliminate excessive estrogens and process xenoestrogens. I recommend: http://www.healthegoods.com/probiota-12-maximum-support-50-billion-cfus-twelve-species-probiotic-60-vegetarian-capsules-seeking-health.html
What are you vitamin D levels? Have your doctor check your levels to determine whether or not you need a vitamin D3 supplement.
In Health and Happiness,
Kelly Harrington, MS, RD
Nutritionist for Healthy Goods
Hi Sandra,
It is ok to take Myomin while trying to conceive. Once you become pregnant, discontinue the Myomin. It is not recommended to take Myomin while pregnant. Since you're trying to conceive, don't forget to start taking folic acid now to reduce your risk of a baby with a birth defect (ie: neural tube defects). I recommend the active form of folic acid, which is 5-Methyltetrahydrofolate (5-MTHF) or folinic acid. You need 400 mcg before becoming pregnant and once you are pregnant, the recommendation is 800 mcg per day. Here are a couple folic acid supplement options:
Best of luck to you!
In Health and Happiness,
Kelly Harrington, MS, RDNutritionist for Healthy Goods
Hi Bonnie,
Myomin has also been reported to be effective in reducing the severity and frequency of hot flashes in some women. Although its exact mechanism on this particular function remains to be elucidated, it may be explained by Myomin's ability to compete with estrogen at the cells' estrogen receptors. Please note, however, some women experience worsening of symptoms with Myomin. This is probably due to very low levels of estrogen in these women. For this reason, please consult with your primary health care provider.
In Health and Happiness,
Kelly Harrington, MS, RD
Registered Dietitian Nutritionist for Healthy Goods
Sorry to hear about your wife's difficulty in conceiving. What you eat is definitely related to ability to conceive, so continue making changes to clean up your diet. If you have any specific questions about your diet, please let me know.
Also, there is a MTHFR gene mutation associated with recurrent miscarriages. It may be worth looking into to make sure your wife doesn't have this. It's actually fairly common. Here's a very informational & credible website to learn more about MTHFR: www.mthfr.net
With that said, I wish I was able to further assist you, but I am not a doctor or naturopath. Your question is outside of the scope of practice of a Registered Dietitian. Hopefully your doctor can steer you in the right direction, or consider looking for a naturopath in your location. Here are a few websites for help in locating one:
In Health and Happiness,
Kelly Harrington, MS, RD
Registered Dietitian Nutritionist for Healthy Goods
According to Chi Enterprises, a small number of users of Myomin have reported experiencing nausea and bloating. I have not heard of fatigue as side effect of Myomin but each person is different and hormones are very powerful! Make sure you're taking Myomin with food. Consider lowering the dosage of Myomin to see if that decreases any unwanted side effects. Be sure to consult with your doctor about your depression worsening and taking the Myomin.
In Health and Happiness,
Kelly Harrington, MS, RD
Registered Dietitian Nutritionist for Healthy Goods


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Mandatory attendance makes sense to me. It's kind of like writing papers or doing mandatory assignments: these things don't necessarily teach you anything, improve your knowledge, or measure your competency, but in general, for most students, they help. Take jeffd: he is (I gather) in an English course where he is required to write papers which don't teach him much or improve his writing. If he decided not to write those papers his grades would suffer. That's not unfair, even though for him those papers have little educational value. I think it would be kind of unfair if students could pick and choose which of their obligations they will meet based on their subjective feelings about the value of lectures, assignments, and tests.
Those papers are doing something to improve his writing and he even said so, albeit begrudgingly and in a roundabout fashion (iirc), in one of his posts. Regardless of his or any student's feelings on the subject of mandatory coursework, mandatory attendance is a completely different beast, one which, by itself, renders absolutely no benefit; the only way to gain from attending every class is to have, in ascending order of importance, a schedule, a curriculum/labwork/coursework/lectures and a professor that meet your needs. Otherwise you're attending but you aren't really there, which is, I believe, one of the main things that LK has been pointing out this entire time. The other point being, I believe, that mandatory attendance is only considered "necessary" when students don't feel a draw to the education on offer, which speaks to an entirely different and horrible failure, one which won't be solved by mandatory attendance, only worsened.
I don't really follow you, Bryce. In what way do mandatory assignments necessarily convey a benefit to all students, while mandatory lectures do not ever convey a benefit? I don't see how they are different beasts. I've completed a lot of tests, assignments, and papers from which I learned nothing and obtained no benefit. I've attended many lectures from which I learned a lot. My point is that assignments and papers can be ill conceived or unhelpful for a particular student, but they are still mandatory. So the fact that lectures can be ill-conceived or unhelpful for some students is not a reason to conclude they should be optional. I agree that in general it is better that students attend lectures because they want to attend the lecture, rather than being effectively bribed to attend. But at the same time, I think it would be better in principle if students wrote papers of their own volition rather than being bribed with a grade. And yet I don't think writing papers should be optional. Perhaps I don't have much sympathy, because (with the exception of working students and students with family, who should be accommodated), attendance is a pretty small thing to ask of a student, in my view at least. Just show up, pay a little attention, and you're good. Yes, sometimes it's boring, but "life, friends, is boring". E: actually let me resile a little. I'm not in favour of mandatory attendance per se, but it is consistent with other mandatory student obligations like assignments and papers which are not of universal benefit to all students.
I'm not sure that I'm on board with the attendance-is-needlessly-burdensome consensus, logical though it is for the utilitarian gain of the student-as-paying-client. To take an example where we'd usually scoff at imposing attendance, imagine a 400 student lecture in a sciences course. For the average student (leaving aside those special accessibility issues) it may be a good utilitarian option to just read the course materials, complete the assignments and do well on the tests if that's all practical without attending lectures. In such a situation I'm ok with a competent instructor imposing attendance if they reasonably believe that the lecture has real added value and that the students who attend the lectures are more competent course graduates. Thinking not only of the utilitarian cost/benefit equation for the almighty student, but also the good of the discipline. I suspect LK will point out that every egotistical mediocrity is going to "reasonably believe" in their own academic added value and that this perspective licenses them to pointlessly inconvenience students. And talk of "the good of the discipline" licenses student-unfriendly elitism. I suppose that's true, but it's also a good student's unwritten, underexplained responsibility to avoid shitty instructors, or courses in which shitty instructors' shittiness can't be gotten around. I don't like that sort of pointless blind hurdle, but I still have to side with giving the minority of good instructors the discretion to fight the erosion of undergraduate educational standards. In some cases that means making students come to lecture if you sincerely believe you're beating better education into a plurality of heads by doing so.
This is either outside my field, outside my country, or I'm an idiot, but I have no idea what a tutorial is. I'm assuming it's like a discussion session based on the context. So student were called on to ask an analysis question, and if they fucked it up they had to answer a further series of questions to get credit?
Yes, discussion. In some cases tutorials were delegated to TAs, although when I did my undergrad that was only the case with my language courses. I'm thinking the nomenclature may have drifted over from sciences/languages courses, since "lecture tuesday, discussion thursday" was actually what we meant by "lecture tuesday, tutorial thursday. IIRC the prof's explanation of the process emphasized that students wanted to demonstrate that they'd done the readings, that a "correct" answer wasn't always necessary, but a good demonstration that one'd done the readings often coincided with a good answer to the questions. Short answer exam questions, say. I imagine he must've had to work up quite a lot of the questions for all the readings he used. Although of course some of them were generalizable - "what sort of evidence did [author x] use to look at [ABC]" sort of thing. If one botched one's question in such a way that one might not have gotten credit, well, there was a bit of general discussion and you could try to demonstrate that you'd done the readings enough to get the little "did the readings" tickbox next to your name. I don't recall if there was anything other than a binary did/didn't do the readings list, for that part of the mark.
Unless there's actual value being delivered from in person - which I found rare in low level STEM - mandatory attendance is fairly pointless.
The point should be to ensure that society is furnished with well-educated, broadly capable, skilled adults who can participate meaningfully in both the workforce and broader life. Universities shouldn't be the whole answer to that problem, but they should be a major part of it. In the highly class-stratified but reasonably stable societies of ~100 years ago, they performed their function pretty damned well. You were generally only admitted to university if you were capable of taking on the challenges it would throw your way, and the small proportion of people who went to university fairly well matched the small proportion of people who were needed to fulfill the specialised roles for which it prepared you. Now, the situation is a mess. Western governments fell for the idea of the "mythical education year" (every bit as pernicious and fallacious as the "mythical man-month"), being that if you stick more people in more educational institutions for longer periods of time, you will get a more highly educated population, and these people will all have rewarding and highly-paid jobs. There's... look, there's a certain amount of truth to it. It's a tragedy when someone from a working-class background with a brilliant mind ends up working retail all their life and thinking about what could have been, because the barriers to entry for education for them were just too high. Raimond Gaita's book about his dad - "Romulus, My Father" - gives some idea of how that situation did play out in past times. What we have now, though... I've taught in a "normal" university, and the range of student ability runs from the astonishing to the mediocre. I've also taught in a "fake" university, for want of a better term, and the mediocre was the top of the range. There were 2nd-year and 3rd-year students handing in essays that simply copy-pasted large chunks of wikipedia and then exchanged a few words for synonyms. From their contributions to "class discussions", I wouldn't call this cheating so much as a sincere attempt to produce the best essays they possibly could, given the limitations they were working with. These kids weren't bad people, but it was a complete waste of time to have them in a university environment and expect these "education years" to add anything to them at all in terms of job-readiness or life skills or networking or whatever. It's a sick parody of "education", produced by a combination of self-seeking careerism on the part of the academics pretending to teach them something, governmental obliviousness, well-meaning but willfully blind do-gooderism, and a general social "qualificationary inflation" described so well 50 years ago by Ronald Dore in "The Diploma Disease". Anyway. I think in some sense the problem is irresolvable. The universities of 100 years ago did a good job partly because the world the students were being prepared for was fairly stable and therefore could be fairly well understood. Who knows what the world is going to look like even 20 years from now? Meanwhile the universities are being turned into businesses, maximising their revenues and minimising their expenditures, and the hell with education except to the extent that academics and students are willing to strike for it - which is to say, if it only gets a little worse every year, instead of all happening in a lump, everyone will accept that the ongoing destruction of these places as a home for scholarship and learning is just the way of the world. If someone gave me a government post with the authority and the funding to re-engineer the whole damn system from top to bottom, I'd know how to knock a few of the sharper edges off it, but I can't see how one would get to the real core of the problem.
At my school, class time is separated into classes, where professors discuss a topic with minimal student interaction, tutorials, where either a professor or a TA has a loose lesson plan but ultimately the direction and substance of the discussion is up to the students, and labs, where hands on experience with the subject happens (most classes don't have labs). Tutorial attendance is usually mandatory and I'm fine with that since that is an excellent way to make 1 hour each week about either quickly assessing student performance or answering questions that students have. Mandatory lectures are ridiculous, since for some people it doesn't matter how witty, charming, or knowledgeable you are, we're going to learn more efficiently on our own.
In principle, that's true, but while you can force people to come, you can't make them listen, pay attention, take notes, or give a shit. The main effect is that you end up working harder only to generate resentment. I'm perfectly willing to put in a small attendance factor in the grade, if for no other reason than it allows me to fudge marginal cases up and down depending on how committed I feel the student is to understanding the material. But as you yourself admit, your incentives don't seem to be all that effective, which I think jives with my impression that heavy use of them is bad for you, annoying for good students, and ambiguous for bad students.
Well, there are a whole range of things that fall under the category of ensuring attendance, and not all of them are equally problematic. My general point is if your concern is improving what students get out of your class, attendance-oriented solutions are lowest common denominator approaches that will deliver results for a lowest common denominator curriculum. If that's the limit of what you are able to offer for reasons beyond your control, well, it's not exactly uncommon. But I would submit that a lot of that seems to me to be rooted in the mistaken impression that college professors have no control over their class design beyond inserting their own anecdotes and hilarious jokes into the same old block lectures. Well, that's the puzzle for me. If you understand that your assessment strategies are inadequate, then look at the incredibly broad range of things you can give someone a grade for and add new ones. For instance, one person I worked with gave students a menu where they can choose how to shape their own assessment strategy from different groups, which provided them with genuine control over how they had to present the content without compromising instructional rigor. I've seen traditional test/paper/test/etc structures work fine as well, because the instructor puts in the methods and fundamentals instruction as a coherent part of the content part of the class in a manner that's appropriate to the level of the course, and because he is able to "fill seats" on the basis of being transparent about the relationship between time in class and outcomes. That is, you can not show up, but if you do show up, your work is that much easier. Pre-quizzes are interesting in that they *can* be a good instructional tool *if* they are addressed substantively in class and the students see a clear rationale for how they think around a test. More often than not, they simply serve as a summary of what will be on the upcoming assessment, which is not bad but is something that should be integrated into the meat of the class in my opinion. It's in the same category as review sessions in that it's one thing if it's a substantive back and forth and quite another if it's really the precursor to a cram session that is their first real engagement with the subject matter. In any case, pedagogy is hardly a settled thing and I'm not trying to make this more than it is. It's really hard to speak in abstractions about better or worse because some very traditional approaches have a lot to offer in the right hands and some of the best theory often goes horribly awry in the wrong hands. My main point is this: in assessments it's really important to think about what that question is actually measuring and whether you've taught the different things it's asking in reasonable proportions. Sometimes from the instructor perspective we've really gotten to the meat of the content, and the results from students tell you that in fact there was a clear conceptual gap between people who really understood compare contrast and the content and people who just had the latter under control (for instance). How you keep people in class is much the same, in my opinion. You have to try to be self-critical about what different approaches are actually getting you, and if you're being too willing to see the marginal returns on band-aids for bad design rather than the big picture strategic options you really have before you. YMMV, etc.
After reading that I just realized my worst class ever was given the harshest attendance policy, for reasons beyond my control. I had three tests in a row where there was only one A out of roughly twenty people. People who clearly didn't give a fuck regularly attended, and they were regularly pissed about it. They refused to engage with the material, and I missed the opportunity to show them that lack of engagement leads to failure, because they came, didn't engage, failed, and didn't understand what went wrong. You and Lizard King are right. I'm removing all intentional attendance incentives from my future courses. I'm interested in this approach, but nervous about implementing it. What sort of options did they offer, and what did each option involve?
On the mandatory attendance issue... Back when I was a biological science student as well, I skipped those massive lectures that I felt didn't add to my knowledge. I found reading the notes, textbooks and interacting with TA's and seniors during lab times and discussion times to be far more educational. Since I had direct access to certain lecturers and professors in specialized labs, where I was part of a small group of students pursuing our own educational objectives. The general lectures were trying to cover general knowledge and there was no way to cover all the important detail when you're trying to get 400 students up to speed, most of which probably didn't read the material beforehand. I never pursued that career in science. I went to film school instead, where I skipped quite a lot of my film classes, or at least those that were fairly theoretical and the writing class. For various reasons, I didn't think they were interesting, I didn't like the lecturer, and I disagreed sometimes with the method of teaching. I used that time instead to go hang out with my cinematography teacher, who at the time, was actually a working cinematographer and helped me get hooked up with various crews around New York for a few days, or hours at a time. My class at this time was around 35-45 people, so my absence was definitely noted. It was definitely an issue with one lecturer, who I didn't get along with anyway, but smoothed over cos I actually knew my stuff before and after class. Out of that class, I think I'm one of the few that still at the very least, making use of the my experience, or still possess the greater desire to learn about the craft and the skill. I think there's value to be had by going to class, but that value is directly proportional to how good a communicator, and lecturer that class has. I was fortunate enough to have a few good ones, in which I continuously attended, but more often than not, there are lecturers who don't add value to their lectures. I now teach at an Arts College which does practice a mandatory class attendance. Classes are small though, about 10-15 each, and absences are incredibly noted with exceptions. I try to add value to the lectures, treating each time as workshops and working with the students to get their issues squared away, or pointing them in directions that work for them. Smaller classes seem to have much better leeway for guiding individual students where they need to go. In contrast, when I was in larger classes, I sometimes felt it was a waste of my time when I could be learning at a faster rate, or be ahead of the curve in where I needed to be, and the lecture never addressed question I had, or issues I would like dealt with in the course of my education. The TL:DR version is that I think class attendance depends quite a lot on the student. I don't like systemic implementation of mandatory attendance, but I also understand that many students learn at different speeds and at different capabilities. Lectures are a way to level the playing field for those who need it, but aren't great for the individual student's educational needs. If the point of college is for students to learn how to learn, I'm don't think mandatory lectures are the way to go, as I prefer a smaller group mentorship programs.
I had a few classes where attendance was not mandatory and missing lectures did not hurt your grade. But if you had a borderline grade and had attended all of the lectures the prof would bump your final to the higher edge, e.g. an 89%=B+ would bump to an A-. The idea is that if you were one of those guys who didn't need to attend to get an A, great; but if you did attend all the time and were close to a better grade, showing up helped you. These were not "lecture hall" classes with 200+ students but they did have 30-40 bodies.
To those college profs, if you class is 'easy'* enough that someone can get As in the class without attending, is there an option for the student to test out of the class? Cause it seems pretty obvious that there needs to be. For everyone else with horror stories in this thread, both teachers and students, were these all intro-type classes? Cause I've slept through my share of 'dim the lights' intro classes and I've had my share of non-intro classes that I didn't dare miss a day of lecture cause the materials were that dense. *- I'm not saying that the class is easy for everyone or easy at all. Some people learn best by just reading the material, and often, especially where there are huge amounts of material to digest, tests are more about reading comprehension than analytical thought.
Depends on the school. I know San Jose State has a process for testing out of a class, but I imagine many places don't.
I've done some teaching at the college level, albeit just a small bit. FWIW, if I was teaching, e.g., fracture mechanics, I would tell the students the first day what the final exam would cover. Such as "On the final exam, you will be expected to be able to be given a set of conditions and parameters and be able to calculate things such as the critical fracture length, energy of critical crack propagation, blah blah blah." I'd give them a pretty lengthy list of what would be on the final exam. That's what I needed them to know, to display proficiency in, to pass the class. If they decided that they could go learn it all on their own, no skin off my rear. I was just concerned with them having a certain level of knowledge and capability when they finished the class. Now, I spent a lot of time in the class lectures teaching, explaining the "Whats" and the "Hows" and the "Whys" and hopefully teaching in a way that made it much easier to develop the proficiency by being in class, asking questions that I could answer or to which I could elaborate or expand a point, etc. And the students who attended class tended to do much better on the final and other exams than those who didn't. But if a student decided they wanted to learn it on their own somehow, and demonstrated that knowledge in the exams, fine. The goal was the "What" - the knowledge and capability, not the "How."
I generally explain during the first class that I think class time is valuable, or I wouldn't bother showing up for it. I tell them I try to not just repeat what's in the book, but add value to it. I assume you've done the reading and build from there. So, yes, you can read the books I assign and do the assignments and maybe you'll do well, but if you just come to my office, I'll recommend some good books for you to read and you can use the slot to take some other class you think is more worthwhile. And then you don't even have to bother doing the assignments, you can just read the books. Then I ask them if they ever just head over to the bookstore and buy some books from classes they aren't taking. None of them ever do that. I used to do that when I was in college. I figured if the books were good enough to be in some college course, then maybe they'd be worth reading for pleasure. Even some stuff that was pretty difficult reading was interesting enough for me to struggle through back then. Turns out that most of my students don't read for pleasure. A few are voracious readers, but most only read five or fewer books a year that aren't assigned for courses. I cannot imagine not having a book going. I have been constantly reading something or other since I was about 10 years old. Even when I was trapped at summer camp with only a dog eared copy of The World According to Garp to my name, I ended up reading it twice (and I had already read it, it was thrown in the back of my parents' car and grabbed it when they dropped me off) just because it was there.
There's been research done that shows that "active readers" read about *a hundred* times more stuff than other people. If you're not an active reader... education is a whole different experience, to say the least.
Well, but on the other hand... let's just say that for most people, reading quantum field theory is a quick way to stop being an "active reader."
One of my papers had small, random in-class tests worth a small but not insignificant percentage. The tests themselves were 15 minutes and straightforward, the idea being that if you attended lectures (obviously, can't sit it otherwise) and did the readings you'd get a solid addition to your overall score. If you didn't come to lectures you could still pass comfortably, but getting a really good grade would be prohibitive. I thought it was quite a good way to motivate attendance in a course where attendance is not a requirement.
That's not too much different from just penalizing students for missing class, really, unless the points were extra credit.
Well, in theory, but it's far less trouble and it does reflect the students' understanding of the material to an extent. I don't really know how you would mark attendance in lectures without it being a disruption anyway.
That was by far my least favorite "attendance is mandatory" method in college. If your class is interesting and useful enough that showing up has merit then you don't need such tests. If it's not it's not, and some lame busy work pop quiz isn't going to change that. Somehow the good classes never had to resort to such methods... Whenever I saw such coercion on the syllabus I looked into whether I could instead take the class from another professor, or just some other class altogether -- such methods signal that your class is crap and the only reason to show up is because you might be randomly quizzed. It's effectively directly penalizing students for missing class -- the pop quizzes are always easy, since their point is to get you to show up, not to teach you anything. Absolutely zero advantage over the classic midterm + final + lab work or papers if appropriate, at least as far as whether I got anything out of a class.
Coupled with the fact that not too many people would willingly spend $200+ plus on one. Also throw in the fact that of all the textbooks I've bought over the years, I can count the number of 'useful' ones on a single hand means there's absolutely no way I'd buy a random one from some other course for no reason.
I think maybe what lesslucid was talking about with "active readers" was not people who read academic tomes/anthologies in their spare time but people who just read a lot (in various forms, like essays, newspaper, fiction and nonfiction novels, etc [not one but all]) because they are compelled to/like reading. Maybe? I'm just guessing. Also, the only books I count as useful from college (it's more than 3 hands) are novels or assemblages of poetry, so that method of measuring may not be so across the boards reliable. On retrospect those aren't textbooks, but these words still stand.
And, what I'm saying is, reading certain subjects is so exhausting that they are almost guaranteed to crowd out other reading. For those who haven't done them, this is hard to imagine, but reading certain books is like a personal Groundhog Day: you start at the top of the page, and by the time you reach the bottom of the page 3 hours later, you have forgotten what is at the top of the page. Some people, having done this, never want to look at another book again. If so, well, the world just lost another active reader.
Ok, yes. I've had to slog through one or two ridiculously long readers with end notes at the end of the whole fucking book. I can understand how being exposed to too much of that would darken your view of the world of reading. I guess I am lucky (this is usually unlucky bla bla bla) to have focused on the humanities in college. It helped me to love reading even more.
I think the valid point Dean's making is that if you're an enthusiastic reader, you could find good books in the university bookstore, pre-filtered for quality/general relevance by their selection by the faculty. (Of course, the longer you're in school the more you realize that that some of the faculty suck, that the bookstore has monstrous markups, and that reading syllabuses and going to the library is the cheaper way of stealing extra college.) I think head-crushing books about quantum theory are sort of on the "less relevant for people to read for fun" end of the spectrum. If one enjoys reading/learning there's lots of lighter fare. What does sometimes make me a bit sad is that I know I could go online and download syllabuses for courses I've never taken, and fill them out for free with my alumni access to library databases. But I don't because I'm lazy. I still usually have some history books on the go but there's really no substitute for the rigours that grad school - or 3rd-4th year undergrad really - imposes. They make one "learn harder" than almost any autodidact.
Yeah, even though I really enjoy science, enough to spend almost 9 years in colleges studying it, there are quite a few books required for classes that I'd never read "just for fun." They typically aren't written for anything but learning what you need to learn to pass a class. Jason T mentioned grad school: for me, that was a really different animal than undergrad. For example, in undergrad I learned a ton of chemistry, but in a couple of great graduate physical chem classes (which means a couple of great profs) we learned a lot more of the "why" of what we memorized in undergrad. I got my B.S. degree and thought we knew everything there was to know in science; in grad school I was struck at just how much we don't understand. Also, classes were a lot less of teh grad school experience, as the last years were almost all lab work and learning how to do effective research (and praying that no one would publish a paper somewhere in the world in my last year showing the work I was doing for my thesis!) Also, there was more of a relationship with the professors while in grad school. For better and worse. Instead of coming to class and then going back to your dorm room, in grad school you lived in the labs, 6 days a week, all day, and so you saw and interacted with the profs in the labs a lot. Grad school was a lot like "work" as opposed to school, in many ways.
The people who don't read at all unless it's mandatory do baffle me. I don't know how they get through life.
Difficult to relate to perhaps, but not particularly baffling, imo. If one starts out not reading much, it's not like LeVar Burton's going to stage an intervention at age 18 or something.
Compiler manuals. Some of you might recall me pointing someone towards Immanuel Kant's Critique of Pure Reason in one thread when a few people were advocating the position that you must have faith to be moral and/or capable of reason. There's just something great about when an entirely correct refutation and trolling coincide. (Kant's objective with that piece was to exhibit how you could, like, know things, man) I doubt any of them actually bothered to read it (EDIT: or the Cliffnotes version, for that matter) sufficient enough to understand it, likely a wise choice, though it didn't exactly help the level of discourse.
It's more that I don't understand how they stay out of jail, or bankruptcy, or accomplish a damn thing at work. Is it really that easy to fake it?
I don't think it's a question of faking anything; one can secure educational qualifications without reading for leisure. Erudition is a great help in building a better mind, but an executive vice president who owns no books might seem anything but ignorant if they browse their way through the Economist and FT the same way they did their business school coursework. Conversely, my interior life is rich as shit and my bank statements make for sorry reading.
I can't speak for lesslucid, but the way I interpret his point is in terms of how literacy is measured and taught as a subject in and of itself. Active readers are people who engage with the texts they are reading (regardless of subject) using symbolic and practical means while they are reading. That means they are underlining, writing notes, recapping as they go, outlining on separate paper, checking footnotes and considering their validity, and so on. It starts as a time-consuming process, but quickly gives the reader a much more effective and diverse set of indicators by which to fish out important concepts from texts efficiently. It's analogous to active note-taking as a creative process involving paraphrasing and reorganizing ideas as you take notes, along with cyclical reexaminations of the notes where you process them into strategic narratives. Starts out as time-consuming, ends up being a lot more efficent. This is off the top of my head so it's possible I'm missing something crucial; basically she took a very simple skeleton developed by another chem teacher of easy, medium, and hard assignments in a given grade bloc, where they could do more easy ones or fewer hard ones to get the same grade. But she took that and ran with, so basically she had 3 tiers, A, B, and C. A was carefully designed high level work including designing your own experiment and producing a truncated form of a paper, in differentiated parts. B would include things like surveying pools she'd created of actual cutting edge research on the topics at hand and then distilling them to plain English, graphics-heavy explanations of how they applied to current concepts being handled, as well as introduction to real lab book creation and detailed analysis and recording of results. C was the rudimentary stuff every other teacher at her level was doing (vocabulary lists, group participation in simple experiments as proof of concept, and so on). You could basically construct your own grade expectation from what you took from each group. You could only get as high a letter grade as the highest group you'd done, but you could reverse it and do more with your higher level stuff and do less of the C-B level stuff. So students who were unwilling to do higher level work would still eke out a B and A assignment to give themselves a shot at an A, and students who were highly motivated or ahead of their peers could carry their A work right past it into events outside of the school and so on. In any case, both approaches were relatively successful in producing good results and keeping the students and instructors engaged at their comfort level with one another. In essence, what I've retained from the process of surviving a real mess of a high school teaching experience is this: look at the forms of assessment you have to do in order to keep your job (group 1), and then look at the forms of assessment you would like to do in a perfect world (group 2). Then figure out how to staple them together in ways that don't get you fired and don't destroy your life. In one situation, I was forced to give only multiple choice exams as 40% of a student's grade, in a situation where instructors were incredibly smug about failing students and blaming them for not being good at the shitty, trap-filled ABCD exams they'd been inadequately prepared for. So I built deep multiple choice exams where it was expected that most students would not do that well, as they were reading intensive in ways they had not encountered before. But the trick was that the corrections to the multiple choice questions in my class could get you to full credit in an answer if you unpacked the difference between (presumed) right and (confirmed) wrong answers in the form of an outline and wrote an analysis of what the key differences were, which eventually left me getting 80% initial pass rates on tests that had questions with ten (choose some, all, or none as the correct answer) responses that were often multiple sentences apiece, which would have been instant, uncritical failure before. Since all of this was transparently addressed in class as part of the routine, and methodology, reading comprehension, and efficient analysis skills were just as much a part of the class as content, it got good feedback from students in terms of their control over their fates. The scope of the corrections phase could be adjusted on a case by case basis with the student in order to ensure they were progressing according to their capabilities, and because it stuck to a pretty clear outline it was relatively easy to grade, moreso once I went electronic. I'm not claiming this is something that would fit everyone or that it was optimal, but what I am saying is that I think a lot of teachers really underestimate how much control they have once priorities are clear. You have to build up to it by integrating the skills required into lesson plans, and you have to expect problems anytime you try something new just because it's hard to anticipate which aspects will need the most time and how. Why is it that people getting x degree as undergrads (nevermind the busy work that passes for most high/middle schooling) often do very little that resembles x as a career that actually does something meaningful? It's a tough question, I think, and one that you can only have so much control over as an instructor. But I think it cuts to the heart of the matter. I would have added more but this post is ridiculous.
I feel like I should go back and delete my post on the previous page so Jason T's one makes more sense, instead of ghettorized on a separate page. But I kinda like my post. Anyone else want to volunteer instead?


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AUBURN HILLS, Mich., – March 20, 2013 –ALTe Powertrain Technologies announced today that it has successfully completed a Cooperation Agreement to establish a new commercial vehicle manufacturing Joint Venture with the Henan Benma Company (Benma) in the Henan province of China.
AUBURN HILLS, Mich – June 12, 2012 – John Thomas, co-founder and CEO of ALTe Powertrain Technologies, has once again been named to the Automotive News Electrifying 100.
CHICAGO, IL, – June 7, 2012 – ALTe Powertrain Technologies, developer of the first range-extended plug-in electric hybrid powertrain for light commercial fleet vehicle applications, today announced that it has created a Commitment to Action as part of the Clinton Global Initiative America (CGI America) meeting. ALTe has committed to spur adoption of hybrid electric technology in the worldwide fleet industry and bolster clean technology jobs in America.
May 16, 2012 – The crew at Translogic took the time to stop by and see the the team at ALTe Powertrain Technologies. Founded by a group of former Tesla Motors executives, the company focuses on building plug-in hybrid conversions for fleet vehicles.
AUBURN HILLS, Mich., – April 16, 2012 – ALTe Powertrain Technologies and Club Assist today announced a joint development project to study ALTe's powertrain technology in Club Assist's fleet. Project will be a first for Club Assist, a company committed to electrification of fleets.
AUBURN HILLS, Mich., – March 22, 2012 –ALTe more than doubles miles per gallon for the popular E350 full-size fleet van.
February 29, 2012 – Extended range electric vehicle powertrain company ALTe (earlier post) is tracking to produce a limited number of production-caliber vehicle powertrains by December, and plans to ramp up production in the first quarter of 2013.
January 11, 2012 – Alternative-fuel and fuel-efficient vehicles are increasingly becoming fleet mainstays — electric vehicles and hybrids are a common sight in a growing number of fleets
December 3, 2011 – ALTe Powertrain Technologies and Coda Automotive are two of America's Most Promising Companies, according to Forbes. The conservative business mag's annual list spotlights 100 privately-held companies with compelling business models, strong management teams, plenty of capital, and notable customers and strategic partners.
AUBURN HILLS, Mich., – December 1, 2011 – Forbes Magazine has named ALTe Powertrain Technologies (ALTe), developer of the first range-extended plug-in hybrid electric vehicle powertrain for light commercial fleet vehicle applications, as one of America's Most Promising Companies.
ALTe believes that range extended electric vehicle powertrains, where vehicles drive the first 40-50 miles on power stored in the batteries which are subsequently recharged by an on-board generator, represent the optimal "hybrid" technology to simultaneously maximize fuel economy, minimize emissions, make the purchase price of a "hybrid" as comparable as possible to the purchase price of a similar gasoline powered vehicle, minimize operating expenses, minimize changes in driver behavior, provide comparable vehicle performance and minimize additional infrastructure requirements.
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ALTe uses advanced technology in the development of its range extended electric powertrains for a variety of vehicle applications based on the Company's rolling electric platform or "e-platform" product which includes the "Green Box," a controls system which communicates with the controls systems of various OEMs, battery chemistries, power electronic modules and engine controls and a lithium ion battery pack. Massive utilization of advanced "virtual" engineering techniques facilitates product development.
ALTe is an engineering company led by a management team with a unique combination of Detroit and Silicon Valley automotive engineering experience dedicated to leading the transformation of the automobile industry from vehicles powered by gasoline to vehicles powered by electricity.
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