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The founders of WeAreMoCo are from different parts of the county, but we have one thing very much in common: We feel that every resident in the county deserves a seat at the table. Residents should be included in the county decision-making processes when their families, homes and property values will be affected.
Many of the current county officials seem to lack the belief that the residents can add anything to the discussions. We, the founders of WeAreMoCo, have shared the experience of being blind-sided by county decisions that will profoundly affect us. Some of us have spent years working within the guidelines given to us by the county, only to find that the decisions had been made long before we heard anything about them. Some have spent tens of thousands of dollars trying to be heard. And that is just plain wrong. We need to change the way Montgomery County views the role of its citizens.
We understand that the residents and the county officials won't always agree on everything, but we need more than the token community meetings to hear their plans for our neighborhoods. It is imperative that we be given more than the proscribed three minutes to speak at hearings. It would be gratifying to be a real part of the process and to know that our input is being taken seriously.
WeAreMoCo.org is an online communication network to "Stay informed. Get connected. Take action. Get results." Since we formed WeAreMoCo we have heard from residents as well as civic and neighborhood groups from across the county who have had similar experiences. Collectively, we feel that it is of utmost importance to protect and enhance the well-being of our neighborhoods for the current and future residents. Our voices must be heard.
We are not an umbrella organization: We are a virtual community promoting communication that will empower us to become a productive influence in the county decision-making process.
A few bewildered citizens are voices crying in the wilderness. An entire county of residents who are informed and know how to be an effective part of the system is a force to be reckoned with. Join the discussions at www.wearemoco.org and on Facebook. We are all MoCo.
Donna Baron, North Potomac
Jean Cavanaugh, Silver Spring
Gail Dalferes, Kensington
Maria Fusco, Potomac
Judy Higgins, Kensington View
Lydia Sullivan, Kensington
The Big Egg
4:05 pm on Tuesday, June 5, 2012
Look. I'm all for having residents be "heard." But, why do you think that being heard involves, for example, being given more than three minutes at hearings? There's certainly no limit on the number of written pages that you can submit. If you get more than three minutes to speak, doesn't that have the potential to actually discourage public involvement at these meetings? I would dread going if I had to sit and listen to 20 members of the public speak for 10-20 minutes each. I wouldn't go. Now, with a 3-minute cap, plus the ability to submit written comments, the meetings are tolerable.
Paula Bienenfeld
8:45 pm on Wednesday, June 6, 2012
@TheBigEgg, who gets more than three minutes to speak? Developers and their attorneys and planners, to start with. MSI and their lobbyists, for another. Berman Academy staff and their attorneys, for a third. I could go on. Where do they speak? Not publicly, that's for sure. They are behind closed doors with councilmembers, council staff members, planning department staff, planning board members, County Executive Leggett, and his staff, MCPS staff, and BOE members and their staff. By then, the deal is done. Stick a fork in it. If you want to see the pages and pages of those meetings -- the real meetings -- MPIA them. Many of us have stacks of paper overflowing that document those meetings. Those are the real meetings. The 3 minutes that a working person like you, I, or Ms. Baron get are so late in the process that they don't matter.
The Big Egg
9:56 pm on Wednesday, June 6, 2012
Paula, the Westfield Costco Gas issue is a great example of where this whole closed-door process either didn't occur or wasn't successful. I have no doubt that these private meetings occur--they're not secret because you are able to find out about them. But, at some point, we have agencies that have to make decisions, based on a public record, which is open to anyone to contribute to. My lingering concern is that resident groups show up (like the renowned "rich,white,women" that Mr. Stanley ill-advisedly referred to) and claim to represent the residents. Really? Which ones? If it's just the 500 that sign a petition--fine. But it's wrong to say that these groups represent residents as a whole. By the way, and I'll not make Mr. Stanley's mistake, but why are the WeAreMoCo group, and the Neighborhood Montgomery group, led by rich (or at least middle-class) white women? Strange phenomenon. MoCo is a more diverse county than that.
Gail Dalferes
5:39 pm on Thursday, June 7, 2012
Hi TBE,
I think it is fascinating when anonymous, or even named, individuals and groups try to redirect conversations away from the issues at hand. We let it happen every day in the news we consume and other choices we make.
Regardless of gender, race, socioeconomic status or whatever, the question people are asking is why do all of these groups and individuals NEED to donate/volunteer/spend so much of their valuable time and resources on these land use and related issues in order to have their needs/desires/wants included in the process? Reducing this need for such active activism is part of the reason WeAreMoCo was founded.
So let's get to it shall we? Follow us on facebook and twitter. Uncloak yourself (who would know?) and contribute blog posts or add comments to the discussion on http://wearemoco.org/. There is much to do.
BTW - thanks for your comment below. I actually have a lot of very good explanations. The elected officials lack of mandate note was for my neighbors in and around the Town of Kensington (maybe you too then??). You should read my explanations to the comments of my other anonymous buddies, TBarnes and S4Smith, about another group of residents (the Committee to Save Kensington) assembled out of need for more inclusive representation in the language of the Kensington Sector Plan. http://www.gazette.net/article/20120509/NEWS/705099497/save-kensington-finds-purpose-after-passage-of-sector-plan&template=gazette
The Big Egg
9:50 pm on Thursday, June 7, 2012
Gail, You sound pretty reasonable--almost meeting the President Obama test of "someone I'd like to have a beer with." I don't think considering the racial/gender make-up of WAMC and Neighborhood Montgomery is a redirection, however. IF you want your suggestions/comments to be considered by County officials solely on their merits (kind of like when a professor grades exams anonymously) then it's less relevant for sure. However, if you want to add "ooomf" to your comments by saying that you are but a sample of residents (and motivated voters) who share these values, then making sure you have at least some of the diversity that is MoCo would seem to be a first step. Surely you would be uncomfortable if the MoCo Council or Planning Board consisted solely of white men, right? Why should a citizen group be homogenous?
Gail Dalferes
5:27 pm on Tuesday, June 12, 2012
Hi TBE - labels belong on food packaging and medicine bottles, not people. WeAreMoCo is an online community, so the beauty is that we don't know (or care) the gender, race or socioeconomic status of the participants. The trick is reaching all interested parties, and this article was just one of our first steps. I like the idea of a citizen group having more 'ooomf' but know that the true power and potential of this group remains to be seen. We are just getting started collectively but individually have been at this for many years. We listed the founders for this article, but continue to grow the list of contributors on our web site and 'followers' on facebook and twitter. 'See' you soon. Gail
Donna Baron (Scale-it-back.com)
5:17 pm on Tuesday, June 5, 2012
It's not about the amount of time we have to speak...it's about being heard.
" It would be gratifying to be a real part of the process and to know that our input is being taken seriously. "
3:27 pm on Wednesday, June 20, 2012
The reason why you don't feel like your input is being taken seriously is because it's unrealistic. Because it's unrealistic, people disregard it quickly. If you want your input to be take seriously, you need to bring it in-line with the the public opinion.
People want progress in development in MoCo. They want new bio technology in the area. You don't want ANY development because you have a mind-set of a MoCo that once existed but will not exist like that again. It is you that needs to change (whether that means moving out of MoCo, or a change in mind-set).
These 'activist' groups like yours that tries to impose their own values/will on the people are annoying. If you can, please "scale back" your incessant nagging. That would be a real 'scale-it-back'.
Donna Baron (Scale-it-back.com)
3:57 pm on Wednesday, June 20, 2012
pw, the people who are involved in both scale-it-back.com and WeAreMoCo.org are well aware of the need for sensible development in Montgomery County. We have worked long and hard to understand the underlying assumptions of County policy. We have worked endless hours with the county officials as well as their staffs.
We support the sensible expansion of biotechnology as well as other industries that will provide jobs to support the people of Montgomery County.
HOWEVER, we feel that there is a serious disconnect with the concerns of the residents and the goals of the developers as supported by some of the county officials. Many of the decisions are made long before the residents in any of the county neighborhoods are involved. We feel that the residents should have a voice in matters that will profoundly affect their neighborhoods.
Thank you for your suggestions.
The Big Egg
4:23 pm on Wednesday, June 20, 2012
Whew. I thought this thread had died. But, Donna--let me suggest that the reply you posted reveals the blinders that you wear in your role. You say, "serious disconnect with the concerns of the residents and the goals of the developers as supported by some of the county officials." You talk as though the residents are monolithic and support you in your opposition to unreasonable development. What you're failing to see, or at least acknowledge, is that, as pw says, some residents actually want robust development of the area. It means jobs. It means more people to shoulder the tax burden. It means that overburned roads will be improved, and mass transit expanded. This is not the simplistic "residents vs. developers" dynamic that you have written.
Donna Baron (Scale-it-back.com)
5:06 pm on Wednesday, June 20, 2012
Big Egg,
You say: " It means that overburned roads will be improved, and mass transit expanded. This is not the simplistic "residents vs. developers" dynamic that you have written."
OK, here we go again, just for you.
The Great Seneca Science Corridor Master Plan, for example, proposes to add 40,000 workers and 5,200 housing units. 2,250 housing units will be built in Crown Farm which is next to the so-called "Science City".
The Corridor Cities Transitway will be built but will only accommodate 12-15% of the newcomers. 85% of the newcomers will be ON THE ROADS IN THEIR CARS.
In order to accommodate all of these cars:
- Key West Avenue will be widened to EIGHT-LANES.
- Great Seneca Highway will be widened to SIX-LANES.
- Muddy Branch Road will be widened to SIX-LANES.
- The interchange at the end of Sam Eig (Rt 370) at Great Seneca Hwy will be THREE LEVELS AND SIXTEEN LANES.
- Up to FIVE MULTILEVEL HIGHWAY INTERCHANGES WILL BE BUILT ON GREAT SENECA HIGHWAY.
Even after all of the above infrastructure improvements have been completed, including the CCT, the traffic on Great Seneca Highway, now posted at 50 mph, is expected to travel at an AVERAGE OF 9-11 MPH.
Did any of us have a voice in these decisions? NO, even though much of the development will be adjacent to established residential neighborhoods.
The land use decisions were made long before the residents knew anything about them by the county officials and the developers.
The Big Egg
5:28 pm on Wednesday, June 20, 2012
Donna--VOTE THE BASTARDS OUT OF OFFICE! Seriously. If there's a disaster looming on the horizon, you should have no trouble rallying the voters. But, if the voters don't believe you, then perhaps it is you who should step down. The voters will get the government they deserve. But, you still will not have come to terms with the fact that it is not simply a residents vs developer decision tree. Some of us residents don't trust or believe you.
Donna Baron (Scale-it-back.com)
5:33 pm on Wednesday, June 20, 2012
Big Egg, thanks for your kind words.
The Big Egg
5:31 pm on Tuesday, June 5, 2012
Oh, you said, "It is imperative that we be given more than the proscribed three minutes to speak at hearings." I though this meant you wanted more than three minutes to speak.
Theresa Defino
7:18 pm on Tuesday, June 5, 2012
I wish you luck, and hope you have a broad enough perspective to see beyond the catch-all of "neighborhood preservation." Where I live that was used to retain the charm of shacks of rental homes instead of low and moderate income rental units and a (thankfully) failed attempt to thwart senior housing. I hope the group embraces the need to attract and keep business and developers in Maryland as they--not property taxes--are the economic engine of Montgomery County. We CAN and MUST co-exist. Branding the county a "sugar-daddy," for example, when no money had been officially offered to a wayward business, in my opinion, is one way to cut off your nose to spite your face, as they say. An important balance must be struck.
Also, I have a pretty long record of offering public testimony, and when I'm actually guaranteed a spot to speak--which often DOESN'T happen at MCPS-BOE or before the County Council unless I know the secret strings to pull (I'm learning) it's never more than 3 minutes. If you have more to say you scramble to get a second person to receive 3 minutes. I have also seen instances where the president of an organization, granted five minutes, spent a great percentage giving a personal opinion that was not endorsed by the group the president purportedly represented.
Fighting for a spot to speak IS a big problem, particularly for individuals.
Donna Baron (Scale-it-back.com)
10:23 pm on Tuesday, June 5, 2012
When our homes, our schools and our neighborhoods are at stake, having three minutes, five minutes or an hour to speak doesn't amount to a hill of beans if the decisions have already been made. What we are saying is that we would like to be a part of the decision-making process. If the residents were included and our input was taken seriously, the process would not be so contentious.
10:53 pm on Tuesday, June 5, 2012
How would residents be included and their input taken seriously? We have a million residents in MoCo. Right now, they are "included" because they vote for Councilmembers and replace them if a majority of voters feel they don't represent the residents. And, when the administrative bodies don't reflect popular sentiment (as may be happening with Wheaton Costco Gas), the elected council can weigh in to overturn the planning department. So, I'm wondering how you increase resident inclusion in a way that fairly represents the view of the residents, and not just the view of residents who have the time and make the choice to join activist groups?
Donna Baron (Scale-it-back.com)
11:23 pm on Tuesday, June 5, 2012
As I recall there are over 300 neighborhood and activist groups in Montgomery County. Officers have been chosen by these groups to represent the interests of the groups and to speak for them.
In addition, individuals can send their comments in writing to the county officials.
Montgomery County is one of the most highly educated counties in the U.S. It is a waste of resources to marginalize the residents.
Donna Baron (Scale-it-back.com)
11:57 pm on Tuesday, June 5, 2012
Sorry, I hit submit before I finished my comment.
WeAreMoCo will serve as an online communication network to keep residents informed and promote cooperation among groups to accomplish common goals. As I said, "An entire county of residents who are informed and know how to be an effective part of the system is a force to be reckoned with."
Theresa Defino
7:10 am on Wednesday, June 6, 2012
Donna, is this the name of the group and your title--taken from your byline: Coordinator, The Gaithersburg - North Potomac - Rockville Coalition"?
The Rockville Community Coalition, though we undoubtedly share some of your goals, is not affiliated with this organization. We are at http://www.rockcom.org and
Donna Baron (Scale-it-back.com)
8:06 am on Wednesday, June 6, 2012
During our long battles with the Gaithersburg West (Great Seneca Science Corridor) Master Plan we formed The Gaithersburg - North Potomac - Rockville Coalition. The Coalition represents almost 500 people from over 70 different areas and subdivisions in the county.
During the master plan process we wrote a zillion letters and emails to the County Council and the Planning Board. Royce Hanson, former Chair of the Planning Board, said our plan was "singular among master plans in the amount of correspondence" they had received.
We had about 500 people at the two nights of Council Hearings to voice our concerns about the plan. There were about 300 people who voiced our concerns at the Town Hall meeting for the At-large candidates.
The plan is the poster child for bad master plans and how to present a master plan. Yet, our voices were not heard. We had little or no influence on the outcome of the plan. The decisions on the master plan were made long before we heard anything about it. Johns Hopkins was/is driving that bus.
Other communities had or are facing similar situations. WeAreMoCo was formed, not as an umbrella group, but as a communication network to empower residents with information and the strategies to work together to change the culture of the Montgomery County government and the way they view the role of the residents.
Visit www.wearemoco.org and http://www.facebook.com/wearemoco.org to join the discussions.
Darin Bartram
8:32 am on Wednesday, June 6, 2012
"represents almost 500 people from over 70 different areas and subdivisions in the county" What is the total population in those 70 different area? I imagine that the people who you represent are a small fraction of that area. I see this as something of an attempted power-grab by these groups. My experience in Kensington is that the groups meet behind closed doors--they even describe themselves as "not an official group with by-laws but a fluid group who have held many meetings and discussions about the issues." Quite honestly--I don't want these groups to be given extra consideration by the county leaders, because their views cannot be said to be representative of the broader community's. They are, instead, representative of the "500 people from over 70 different areas." Certainly, you should expect to be heard and have your views considered. But, that doesn't necessarily mean that the plans should be changed to incorporate your views.
3:35 pm on Wednesday, June 20, 2012
It seems like you are lacking a proper understanding of our political system. If you have beef with certain issues, voice them through your representative. If the representative is not representing, then vote them out. That's how democracy works. The voting the key component part of the system, not individual, or activist groups claiming to represent the people getting to make all the decision.
If you do not believe the representatives are representing you properly, then stage to vote yourself in through your activist group. Let the public decide if you are truly representing their voice by their votes.
Theresa Defino
8:44 am on Wednesday, June 6, 2012
That's almost comical. How can people who have virtually no power--as Donna shows through the Science Center example at a minimum--be "grabbing" power!?
Darin Bartram
9:01 am on Wednesday, June 6, 2012
Teresa, When an individual is 1 out of a million residents, or even 500 out of a million (0.05%), how much "power" is it reasonable to give them? I completely agree that if they write thoughtful letters to the county elected or appointed leaders, those letters should be read and considered. I'm suggesting, however, that it is not reasonable to expect the county to consider those letters to be the prevailing view of residents throughout the 70 different areas Donna refers to.
Donna Baron (Scale-it-back.com)
9:15 am on Wednesday, June 6, 2012
Darin, I suspect from your post that you know nothing about the 500 people from over 70 different subdivisions or the 600 people who signed a petition against the Gaithersburg West (Great Seneca Science Corridor) Master Plan and the proposed plans for Belward Farm. Or the position paper written by organizations from across the county regarding the master plan.
If you would like to educate yourself on our efforts, please visit www.scale-it-back.com and read the comments by the residents as well as the journalists who understand the situation. Please read the articles in the Belward section ( http://www.scale-it-back.com/Belward.html documents ) regarding the Belward Farm/Johns Hopkins lawsuit.
Or, just read all the articles and testimony if you have a lot of time to kill. We did everything we could do to have our voices heard and we were completely sidelined.
Is it your position that the residents' concerns should not be incorporated into a plan that will profoundly affect their communities?
Darin Bartram
9:26 am on Wednesday, June 6, 2012
Wow, Donna, you seem to be as insulting and condescending as our local "civic activists." I'm not saying that your letters weren't meritorious--maybe they were. If you read what I wrote, you'd could not possibly conclude that I believe "resident's concerns should not be incorporated." I'm simply trying to make the point that, however well you articulate the position of 500 residents from 70 different subdivisions, there is no basis to say that those views represent the concerns of the entire (or substantial part of) the residents in those subdivisions. Jeez.
The Big Egg
9:47 am on Wednesday, June 6, 2012
Did you see that Lydia Sullivan thinks Marion Barry should move to Kensington? Is that because she thinks the residents would elect him, just like they elected that big, bad Peter Fosselman? Does she not exhibit contempt for her fellow residents/voters?
Gail Dalferes
6:03 pm on Thursday, June 7, 2012
redirect alert! redirect alert! redirect alert! redirect alert!
TBE - are you a follower or a friend of a follower of Ms. Sullivan? Must be since you are quoting her personal facebook page. I think that is hilarious.
Fact check: Ms. Sullivan had a concern about the KSP and did something about it - she ran for public office. She ran for and won a seat on the TOK Council on a platform that she actually delivered - such as seeking reasonable and appropriate scale in the Kensington Sector Plan. She was representing all of those TOK residents who voted for her. I would use the word contempt to describe the way Ms. Sullivan was treated for her knowledgeable and informed positions on behalf of the residents of the TOK.
Being demonized for having different views from the rest of the TOK Council and Mayor is hardly democracy at its finest. The crime is the effect this had on the people of the Town. Without her leadership and courage in the face of this actual contempt, the Town would be without many of the protections it has today.
I know - this is off topic right?
redirect alert! redirect alert! redirect alert! redirect alert!
Donna Baron (Scale-it-back.com)
9:33 am on Wednesday, June 6, 2012
I said we represent the interests of almost 500 residents from over 70 different areas and subdivisions. I did not say we represent all the residents in over 70 different areas and subdivisions or all the residents in Montgomery County or the state of Maryland or the world.
I am not being insulting or condescending. How 'bout I say lots of people agree with us and leave it at that?
Read the documents.
Darin Bartram
9:42 am on Wednesday, June 6, 2012
Fine lots of people agree with you. But all of the residents elected leaders (who directly or through their choice of staff) to make decisions. It's a reprentative democracy. If your views are meritorious and appealing to the broad community, elect leaders who will implement them. Otherwise, weigh in through letters, but understand that the elected leaders represent all of us, not just those of us who join local civil activist groups.
Gail Dalferes
6:28 pm on Thursday, June 7, 2012
Conversely, elected officials do not speak for all individuals just because that person was elected, regardless of their margin of victory. New problems present themselves everyday, so while we do need to elect people who will think independently about issues, we also need a process of engagement with elected officials that requires less energy from those willing to take up a cause and results in more balanced solutions inclusive of the broad spectrum of residents.
There seems to be agreement that there needs to be a way for elected officials to do their jobs in a manner that accounts for all residents' needs, not just the needs of a narrow sampling be they elected official, activist, developer or other. I am not saying elected officials always get it wrong, but I do know that certain issues need to be handled in a more representative manner. As Donna has so aptly stated, we seek to work together to find solutions to the things we all agree are broken.
We are civil civic activists. And we are all MoCo.
Donna Baron (Scale-it-back.com)
11:26 am on Wednesday, June 6, 2012
And may you have a long and happy life, Darin.
Gail Dalferes
5:42 pm on Wednesday, June 6, 2012
Lest the point gets lost in the minutiae, an important aspect of this online community is sharing experiences and knowledge among residents in how governmental processes work today, while collectively working with elected officials and their staff to fix parts of the process all agree are less effective than desired. The accessory apartment process is a current example.
When you experience how growth policies, master plans and traffic mitigations are enacted, there are aspects that work more effectively than others. A collection of individuals working together can make a positive change that individually we can't achieve. WeAreMoCo is one more resource for those interested in having elected officials move forward in a timely fashion with initiatives that truly reflect the needs of the County residents as well as the businesses in each area.
Elected officials do not have a mandate to do what they want, simply because they won an election. They are expected to compromise and listen to all of their constituents to govern in ways that reflect mutually beneficial results.
We at WeAreMoCo don't have all of the answers but we wanted to let our neighbors across the County know that we are getting together to learn from each other in taking more effective actions in gaining better results for the many residents impacted by the land use and related legislation. We'll get there. It will just take a little time. A little patience. And a lot of mutual respect.
The Big Egg
9:43 pm on Wednesday, June 6, 2012
Gail--this is actually a very good explanation. I totally agree with you that different areas of the county shouldn't have to re-learn the sector plan process when it's their turn, or traffic mitigation. That's great that you can share the learning among yourselves. (As to your point about elected leaders not having a mandate to do what they want, I agree, but that's not what I said.)
Donna Baron (Scale-it-back.com)
10:22 pm on Wednesday, June 6, 2012
Big Egg (George), I'm glad you see the value in WeAreMoCo. We have gotten very favorable feedback from residents across the county which is gratifying.
The Big Egg
10:34 pm on Wednesday, June 6, 2012
What George do you think I am? I'm not a George at all. I'm just someone who doesn't want to be the public target of your kiss-off statements like you made at 11:26 am regarding another poster.
Donna Baron (Scale-it-back.com)
10:57 pm on Wednesday, June 6, 2012
No problem, George. It's OK to hide as The Big Egg. I won't tell anyone.
The Big Egg
3:09 pm on Thursday, June 7, 2012
Okay. This is actually kind of fun. I hope you think I'm George Leventhal. Well, I'd love to stay and chat with you on Patch, Donna, but I have to go take some big bags of money from developers and pre-approve their permits. I'll catch you once the result is pre-ordained!
3:42 pm on Wednesday, June 20, 2012
I think it's pretty obvious Donna Baron thinks that her opinion should be valued more than other MoCo residents because she thinks that a lot of people (not yet established) agrees with her. Bigger ego than most, perhaps?
Theresa Defino
3:43 pm on Thursday, June 7, 2012
Anonymously libeling a public official. Coward.
4:16 pm on Thursday, June 7, 2012
Umm...it's pretty clear s/he's making a joke, if you're referring to TBE (legally and definitionally, libel is malicious, no? I think you just committed libel against TBE by aggressively and incorrectly labeling him/her a libeler!). If you want to see someone libeling Levental, head over to Muslim article. Every third post is this crazy guy ranting about how Levental is the devil. It's hilarious.
Theresa Defino
11:56 pm on Thursday, June 7, 2012
It's not clear at all that this is a joke, nor funny. And no, I didn't commit libel. Might want to research the law.
12:22 am on Friday, June 8, 2012
Good lord, was it seriously not clear I was being absurd? Someone needs to chill. Of course "big bags of money" is a joke and of course "libeling against...labeling...a libeler!" is a joke. Not to mention, yes, you're the only one being aggressive here and attacking people. Shesh.
The Big Egg
8:16 am on Friday, June 8, 2012
Okay--I guess I have to clarify. It was a joke! Clearly, Council Member Leventhal doesn't accept money in bags. But, maybe if they're those reusable grocery bags . . . .
Sammy Singh
3:31 pm on Tuesday, October 30, 2012
I hope JHU wins and builds what they want. MoCo has not created enough jobs over the past few years when you compare it to the growth in Fairfax County VA. We need to be more competitive and dominate the biotechnology industry so we can continue to attract more jobs and wealth in MoCo.


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FLAME Virus |
Reading about the latest most sophisticated virus ever detected so far -the "Flame" virus, also called SkyWiper, I wonder if such malware could be installed while one is running the browser and email client sandboxed. And if programs applying HIPS would detect it, and prevent it from installing without one's permission. I'm just a regular home user, of no interest to the source (Israel?) of this super spyware. But just out of curiosity... Here is the most complete up to date info on this issue: http://www.securelist.com/en/blog/208193522/The_Flame_Questions_and_Answers |
Re: FLAME Virus |
Trust No Program, not even SBIE 100%. Remember, nothing is perfect, even though SBIE comes close |
You're right about sandboxing not being 100 % safe. It doesn't protect against spying, unless one knows how to set it up in in such a way that the items one wants to protect from that are made immune to it. At least that is what I understand from reading about this on another thread.
And if I remember well Tzuk has said that even some stuff gets trough sometimes and is installed anyway, but that this happens seldom, and that he finds a patches for those sporadic occasions. Still Sandboxie is an excellent protection against malware programs installing, although a sophisticated team like the Flame writers could probably find a way. So then I still wonder about HIPS. I thought it would monitor any changes made as far as installations are concerned, and then ask one for permission. I'm using the Online Armor firewall, and every time -it seems- I have anything new installed, it asks if I want that, and I see that the install stops, until I tell OA it's OK. But I don't know if that is HIPS. It doesn't look like it from this explanation: "HIPS Explained": http://www.techsupportalert.com/content/hips-explained.htm |
I would react like this .
Then: If on AC, immediately pull the plug out of my laptop. If on battery, immediately press down hardware "Off" button until system shuts down. Start in Safe Mode (no Networking). Scan with AV's. Remove email. Maybe use latest system backup from external hard drive in case I still had doubts. |
That might prevent this type of thing from happening. My email program already prohibits any javascript routine in an email from running. Plus, I don't install java. It's a bit of a hassle to set up Start/Run, for a short time, but it may be worth it. The number of programs that need to run using that sandbox is probably pretty low. |
_________________ Paul XP Pro SP3 (Admin rights), Zone Alarm Pro Firewall, Malwarebytes Pro, Firefox 21, Thunderbird 17 |
The thing is I'm not using an email program; I'm using IE web browser. It actually read my email bookmarks in Yahoo Mail which uses, I believe, AJAX. I'm no programmer and God only knows why I remembered this. lol
Scary that someone figured out how to attack a browser based email system. Guess I'm behind the times since I think this is new and probably isn't. lol |
I've vaguely heard about attacks like that, but I'm a little surprised that it actually does occur in-the-wild. Come to think about it, I've been sent many similar e-mails from "friends that I hadn't heard from for a long time" and I would open the e-mail and see some random writing and a (suspicious) link or two. My habit has always been to immediately delete the e-mail. However, I always think to myself that Sandboxie + LUA + SRP would contain/block any malicious events even if I were to click on the link(s). Now, it appears that this is not really the case, and really emphasises the importance of security awareness - you need a good security "approach", not just a good security "setup" (my favourite mantra haha). |
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A while back I was playing with some virus, and when run it would take over the screen flashing all kinds of stuff, couldn't get to the taskbar, or anything short of a power reset. Then it owned the system. Running it sandboxed, produced all the same stuff with one key exception. Once rebooted the system was clean. But I also back up my installation with Appguard, and OA. Pete |
I think the point lylejk was making is that programs like Appguard and OA would not prevent online malware reading web-based e-mail bookmarks and sending out rogue e-mails. In fact, I can't think of anything that can stop this, apart from not clicking on the malicious link in the first place. But then again, I'm sure the malware could be programmed so that you wouldn't even need to click on the link, but would simply need to open the e-mail. |
ssj100 is right; there is no way to stop a virus that can work inside the sandbox itself. I was an idiot (remedied it quickly by killing my XP VM session itself then afterwards, changed my passwords) and it did send out about 10 emails using my online Yahoo email. I had no idea that they could do this but I now know they can. Fortunately, it's been years since I updated my online email bookmarks and only around 5 folk actually received rogues and did manage to contact them (nice to have an email exchange with a few of them since it's been literally years for some of them). Be leary about links within email addresses for sure, but if you are still logged into Yahoo, any online link may be able to do this (hope not; hope it can only work within an AJAX email session) but it was an eye opener for someone who shouldn't be surprised (that would be me).
Perhaps a more accurate way of putting it is that there is no way to stop a virus that can work inside the sandbox and only uses the online web interface to perform its malicious activity. This makes me wonder whether the virus even needs to write to disk? Sandboxie would still be able to contain it, but it wouldn't be able to stop it from running. |
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{pink cotton jumpsuit from cotton on kids, similar one here. handmade quilt by tina magee sews. toy cupcake belonging to the preschooler.}
p.s The car accident wasn't bad but it was scary. I cried.
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Transliteration perets |
Pronunciation peh'·rets
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Part of Speech
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Root Word (Etymology) From פָּרַץ (H6555) | |
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Lexicon Results
Strong's H6556 - perets
Outline of Biblical Usage
1) breach, gap, bursting forth a) bursting forth, outburst b) breach c) broken wall d) outburst (fig. of God's wrath)
Authorized Version (KJV) Translation Count — Total: 19
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Strong's H6556 - perets
Learn More About Our Word Search Tools Strong's Number H6556 matches the Hebrew פֶּרֶץ (perets), which occurs 2 times in 2 verses in Amo of the Hebrew concordance of the KJVPage 1 / 1 (Amo 4:3 - Amo 9:11) (More Info)
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Hi Yazmine, from your comments I understood that she is the same doll but I was wondering because I cannot identify her. She isn't a Barbie, she isn't a Bratz. Just curious.
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Vigillo CSA 2010 Scorecard
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May 5, 2010 10:30 AM
Vigillo LLC, creators of data mining software products designed to aggregate, organize, and deliver fleet safety information in an easy-to-read scorecard format, announced that more than a half-million drivers at 1,300-plus carriers, are being scored by its CSA 2010 Carrier & Driver Scorecard.
When the FMCSA released its CSA 2010 Data Preview product on April 12 we thought our sales trajectory might slow down, said Steve Bryan, president of Vigillo. But just the opposite has happened. The carriers are rapidly realizing that even with access to the FMCSAs information they need more than just the raw data provided.
The Vigillo Carrier & Driver Scorecard provides trucking companies with an advance look at the fleet safety data that will be included when CSA 2010 replaces FMCSAs SafeStat program in November. Using the same algorithms and methodologies as FMCSA, the Vigillo offering allows carriers to use data available today to see what their operations will look like under CSA 2010.
Our growth and the adoption of our CSA 2010 platform by large national trucking companies, small regional carriers, and private fleets is a result of our ability to anticipate the needs of motor carriers and their drivers, Bryan said. We anticipate having a million drivers using our products by year-end.
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Silverado is the rock-solid pickup people count on year after year. It's the truck with built-in strength, power and durability. The foundation is provided by the rugged, yet lightweight three-piece modular frame. The power is highlighted by an available 403 horsepower VortecTM 6.2L High Output V8. The fuel efficiency available with the VortecTM 5.3L V8 is the envy of its class, with better V8 highway and city fuel efficiency than Ford F-150.1 And the capabilities make Silverado ready for your biggest challenges, with payloads that range up to 865 kg (1,908 lb)2 and towing capacities up to 4,853 kg (10,700 lb).3 Something else you can count on with Silverado - its renowned dependability is backed by the best coverage of any full-size pickup in Canada.4 The 2013 Chevy Silverado. Ready to prove itself to you.
- Five VortecTM Engines - Five Reasons Why
- It's all a question of matching up an engine to your specific demands for power. Silverado 1500 makes it easy with five VortecTM engines to choose from, ranging from the economical 4.3L V6 to the most powerful V8 in Silverado history - the 6.2L V8 that generates a massive 403 horsepower and 417 lb-ft of torque. In today's trucks, maximizing fuel efficiency is also imperative. Silverado's VortecTM 5.3L and 6.0L V8 engines feature the fuel-saving technology called Active Fuel Management® that shuts down four of eight cylinders when power demands are low. The VortecTM 4.8L, 5.3L and 6.2L all incorporate Variable Valve Timing (VVT) that optimizes combustion timing to increase efficiency and torque production across a wide rpm range. Further aiding fuel efficiency is the Hydra-Matic six-speed automatic transmission, mated to the 5.3L and 6.2L V8 engines, that includes 2 overdrive gears to help achieve low rpm highway cruising speeds. The results: Silverado 1500 beats the Ford F-150 in both V8 highway and city fuel efficiency ratings.1
- Silverado Hybrid - The One And Only
- The reason for building a hybrid full-size pickup is compelling. It's the only option for achieving the best fuel efficiency of any full-size pickup in its class.5 And the only hybrid technology in full-size pickups today is the Silverado Hybrid's Two-Mode Hybrid System. It can run on pure electric power, on gasoline power generated by the 332 horsepower VortecTM 6.0L LIVC V8 VVT, or on a combination of the two. The capability is impressive also, with a maximum towing capacity of up to 2,767 kg (6,100 lb). But what makes Silverado such a stand-alone truck is the best city and highway fuel efficiency ratings of any full-size pickup in its class: 10.1 L/100 km and 8.4 L/100 km, respectively.5 The one and only Silverado Hybrid.
- Built-In Towing Capability
- Silverado is engineered to handle the demands of towing, with a series of standard trailering features included in every conventional gas powered model. Trailer Sway Control6 helps keep your truck and trailer heading in the proper direction automatically. The Tow/Haul mode6 transmission adjusts the shift schedule to avoid "hunting" for the right gear while trailering. Hill Start Assist6 holds the truck stationary for about a second after the brake is released, so you can accelerate without worrying about the truck rolling backwards. Cruise grade braking6 automatically downshifts to help slow the truck on long descents, reducing conventional brake component wear. In addition, the available Trailering Special Equipment Package adds such useful features as a weight-distributing trailer hitch platform with a 51 mm (2-in.) receiver and a 7-wire harness. It all adds up to substantial towing capacities - up to 4,854 kg (10,700 lb), when properly equipped.3
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- A rock-solid truck requires a super strong foundation. And that is precisely what Silverado's three-piece modular frame delivers. The fully boxed front section is hydroformed under extreme hydraulic pressure, resulting in greater strength and more dimensionally precise mounting points. The rear portion of the Silverado frame is fully boxed all the way to the spare tire cross member, where it becomes a C-channel. The advantage of this modular configuration is that it places the support where it's needed most, while reducing weight elsewhere. This translates into better fuel efficiency and increased payloads - which on a Crew Cab equipped with the available MAX Trailering Package go up to 879 kg (1,937 lb).2 That's a foundation you can build upon.
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- Canada has millions of square kilometres of land that is inaccessible by road. That doesn't stop the Silverado equipped with the available Z71 Plus Package. It features such rugged components as Rancho® shock absorbers, off-road jounce bumpers, an automatic locking rear differential, fog lights and chrome recovery hooks. The Z71 Plus Package also includes a series of rugged styling features, with 18" bright machined aluminum wheels, a body-colour grille and chrome insert, body-colour outside rearview mirrors and body-colour exterior door handles. Don't stop where the road ends - open up this wide-open country with Silverado Z71.
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ΩMSRP - Manufacturer's Suggested Retail Price. Dealers are free to set individual prices. See additional information on vehicle pricing.
^ Available manufacturer to dealer delivery credit (tax exclusive). This credit is available to cash customers only; customers who choose to finance or lease their vehicles will forego some or all of these credits which will result in a higher effective cost of credit on their transaction.
Visit OnStar.ca for coverage map, details and system limitations. Services vary by model and conditions.
2Maximum payload capacity includes weight of driver, passengers, optional equipment and cargo and are approximate.
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52013 Silverado Hybrid fuel consumption ratings based on GM testing in accordance with approved Transport Canada test methods. Competitive fuel consumption ratings based on Natural Resources Canada's 2012 Fuel Consumption Guide. Your actual fuel consumption may vary. Excludes other GM models.
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Can Apple start making their product in the U.S. again? The answer is YES.
Last fall, we pondered whether Apple could start building iPads and iPhones in the U.S. Our conclusion was: YES, Apple could indeed start assembling products in the U.S.
Some key points:
1. Labor costs are not the key factor. As Michele Nash-Hoff (President of ElectroFab) and Curtis Ellis (of the American Jobs Alliance) have explained, labor is a small part (probably less than 10 percent) of Apple's cost of manufacturing, far less than capital equipment and components. With wages rising in China and U.S. manufacturing workers actually being far more productive, the labor cost differential become very small.
2. Apple is the rare product that competes on quality, not price. While it may or may not cost more in total to assemble iPads in the U.S., Apple is not competing against dozens of similar products. And so, retail price is not the key criteria because consumers are already buying iPads due to their unique quality and attributes, not "low sticker price."
3. Thanks to high productivity and top quality, U.S. manufacturing offers its own cost-savings and benefits. U.S. manufacturers are recognized as being the most productive, efficient, and safe in the world. A state-of-the-art U.S. manufacturing facility would offer its own cost savings by virtue of its incredibly productive and streamlined assembly processes.
Okay, so why are we analyzing the Apple production process today? Because Apple CEO Tim Cook was quoted this week at an All Things Digital Conference as saying he'd like to see his company make more components, and possibly assemble them, in the U.S.
Specifically, Cook said:
"There are things that can be done in the U.S., not just for the U.S. market but that can be exported for the world...On the assembly piece, could that be done in the U.S.? I hope so, again, one day."
There are stumbling blocks to a possible reshoring of Apple products, though. Andrew Nusca at Between the Lines says that American companies can always "go overseas for greater flexibility, lower price and sheer speed." He also cites the potential shortage of skilled high-tech workers in the U.S. who can tackle the logistical and competitive needs of such competitive, state-of-the-art production.
But these are battles worth fighting. For starters, a high-tech facility COULD produce in the manner required by Apple for rapid market response. And as for worker skills needed in such a high-tech industry, the Alliance for American Maufacturing (AAM) has repeatedly urged that the U.S. needs to prioritize such training in order to compete successfully in the 21st Century.
All of this is a battle worth fighting, and a very necessary one if the U.S. is to maintain a solid middle class economy. Apple can do it, and so can the U.S. The question is who will take the big step first?
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Romney courts evangelicals' favor in speech at Liberty University
"People of different faiths, like yours and mine, sometimes wonder where we can meet in common purpose, when there are so many differences in creed and theology," said Romney, whose Mormon religion has been criticized in some evangelical circles.
"Surely the answer is that we can meet in service, in shared moral convictions about our nation stemming from a common worldview."
Romney spoke at the school's commencement, and got his most enthusiastic response when he reiterated his view that "marriage is a relationship between one man and one woman." President Barack Obama earlier in the week said he supported same-sex marriage, a sure-fire way to galvanize evangelicals and other social conservatives to work against his re-election.
Romney seized the chance to show he was behind them, as his remark got one of the day's three standing ovations; the others, consisting of brief, subdued applause, came at the start and end of his talk.
The presumptive Republican presidential nominee needs this crowd, particularly in this pivotal state. Throughout the primary and caucus season, he did poorly among evangelical Christian voters like those who support and attend this school, which bills itself as "training champions for Christ since 1971."
It was founded by the late Rev. Jerry Falwell, the leader of the Moral Majority, and emerged as a political force during Ronald Reagan's 1980 presidential run. Falwell's son Jerry Jr. is now the president and chancellor.
Romney had three goals Saturday: To assure everyone present that he shared the audience's values, that he'd lived a good moral life and was running for president to heal the ailing economy.
"Central to America's rise to global leadership is our Judeo-Christian tradition, with its vision of the goodness and possibilities of every life," he said.
Romney dwelled heavily on his own family. "I have never once regretted missing any experience or opportunity in business in order to be with my wife and five sons," he said in a solemn tone.
"In this life, of course, the commitments that come closest to forever are those of family. Maybe you've heard that (wife) Ann and I have a pretty large family, and I'm sure glad I like having grandchildren because every time I turn around there's more of them."
Romney, who's been married for 43 years, has 18 grandchildren.
Though the festive crowd was generally supportive, many continued to express reservations about Romney. Last month, the Liberty Champion, the student newspaper, wrote in a commentary, "Mitt Romney was announced as Liberty's 39th commencement speaker, great _ but he is a Mormon."
Many conservative Christians remain dismayed by his center-right record as governor of Massachusetts from 2003 to 2007. He was then an abortion-rights supporter; today he stresses his firm opposition. He signed state health-care legislation viewed as a model for the 2010 federal law that requires nearly everyone to obtain coverage in 2014 or face a penalty. Conservatives deride the federal law as "Obamacare," branding it an unwelcome government intrusion into a personal, private matter.
"He's the lesser of two evils," said Kristine Funk, a Manchester, N.H. pre-school teacher present at the graduation, said of Romney. "I don't agree with a lot of his positions, but I can't vote for Obama."
Sarah Rouse, a stay-at-home mother from Goldsboro, N.C., offered the same kind of endorsement. "I like Romney more than Obama. Obama is destroying our country through his socialistic policies," she said.
Romney needs this community, with its history of political activism, to get out and spread the word. The speech to 34,000 people Saturday was "an opportunity to address a whole lot of concerns for all 50 states in one place," said Mark DeMoss, a Liberty trustee who introduced Romney.
Romney's talk, which he called a "great life honor," had messages both subtle and obvious. He lavishly praised founder Falwell, and told the graduates, "Moral certainty, clear standards, and a commitment to spiritual ideals will set you apart in a world that searches for meaning."
He also had a warning: "Your values will not always be the object of public admiration. In fact, the more you live by your beliefs, the more you will endure the censure of the world.
"Christianity is not the faith of the complacent, the comfortable or of the timid. It demands and creates heroic souls like Wesley, Wilberforce, Bonhoeffer, John Paul the Second, and Billy Graham," he said, citing notable theologians. "Each showed, in their own way, the relentless and powerful influence of the message of Jesus Christ. May that be your guide."
Romney also wanted the crowd to remember his economic message, the centerpiece of his campaign.
"For you and so many young Americans, our current troubles can be discouraging. You are ready for jobs that were supposed to be ready for you," he said. "Millions wait on the day when there are jobs for everyone willing to work, and opportunities to match your hopes and your goals. But don't lose heart, because that day is coming."
Polls and analysts all suggest that Romney will have little trouble winning the votes of the evangelicals _ at least, those who show up.
They will, said the Rev. Virginia Craig, a Marion, N.C., pastor. "Some people don't see it (Mormonism) as a Christian faith," she said. And it bothered her "a little bit _ but not enough to make me not vote for him. I won't vote for the other candidate."
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According to the Institute on Taxation and Economic Policy's new study on who pays how much in state and local taxes:
Combining all of the state and local income, property, sales and excise taxes state residents pay, the average overall effective tax rates by income group nationwide are 11.1 percent for the bottom 20 percent, 9.4 percent for the middle 20 percent and 5.6 percent for the top 1 percent.
In Washington, the most regressive state, the poorest 20 percent of the population pays 16.9 percent of its income in state and local taxes while the richest 1 percent pays a burdensome 2.8 percent. By contrast, in Vermont, the most "progressive" state, the poorest 20 percent pays 8.7 percent while the richest 1 percent pays 8 percent.
In California, the bottom 20 percent only pay 10.6% in taxes, while the oppressed top 1 percent pay a whopping 8.8%.
Texas, in contrast, has a much fairer tax system. There, the bottom 20 percent pays 12.6% in taxes, while the top 1 percent pays an exorbitant 3.2%
"Fair is fair," states Texas Republican Governor Rick Perry, "and if the bottom 20 percent pay almost 4 times more than our job creating heroes, that's just a reflection upon their own stupidity." He then further quipped: "Maybe the poor should hire a team of competent tax lawyers."
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Thread: Replacing heat pump
02-10-2005, 08:44 PM #1Regular Guest
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I want to replace the heat pump sytem in my two story, 2000sq. ft. house. 1000sq.ft up, and same downstairs. I have single compressor, split system with one thermostat downstairs and one cold air return downstairs. I have had five proposals and thought it would be simple to compare oranges to oranges and prices. However, I got proposals for three different type systems. 1)Two 2-ton heat pumps, two air handlers,(one in attic), two thermostats and two cold air returns. 2)One 2 and half ton heat pump, one air handler, two thermostats and two motor operated dampers out of the air handler. 3)One 2 and half ton heat pump, one thermostat, one cold air return and one air handler with a variable speed fan. There are two people in the house who both sleep upstairs during the same hours. I want to ensure that I don't need to close the downstairs registers to force a/c upstairs during the summer.
If anyone has any info or even opinions on which setup, never mind price, might serve me better I would appreciate hearing from you.
Its hard to get an even temperature on a 2 level home with one system unless you have zoning installed, if this is what your looking for then either zoning (dampers) or 2 seperate systems is the way to go, I would prefer the latter myself if cost is not a huge issue.
As far as sizing goes, there is quite the spread there in your proposals (2 1/2 to 4 tons), Make sure the installing contractor does a load calculation to determine the proper size equipment for your home.
02-10-2005, 09:02 PM #3Regular Guest
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Swampfox, thanks
Oddly, the dual system is barely more than the variable motor system and quite a bit less than the 'damper' one. It has been calculated that 2 and half tons is proper capacity so I am not sure if this particular contractor happened to have these sitting around or what. They are only 12 SEER and I understand they won't even be used much longer. Will the fact that the two tonners are too big mean they will be stopping and starting a lot and so using more power?
02-10-2005, 09:45 PM #4Originally posted by bigalf
... Will the fact that the two tonners are too big mean they will be stopping and starting a lot and so using more power?
Cold & wet is not comfortable.
If the humidity is under control, most people are just as comfortable with a room temperature in the summer.
That saves money.
Starting a motor is very hard on it. Long run times, with properly sized systems will save money on energy, plus repairs.
A system takes a few minutes to stabilize and operate at the SEER (efficiency) it is rated at.
Excessive startups means higher electric bills & shorter life of the equipment.
Get it sized right.
A more expensive system, done right, is cheaper in the long run.
02-10-2005, 10:43 PM #5Regular Guest
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Thanks for the response. Do heat pumps come less than 2 tons capacity? And if so, in your experience would they, properly sized, be better than the motorized damper system?
One contractor claims that the motorized damper systems break down a lot and are hard to set up. I find that a little hard to believe as I have had experience with auto controls, valve actuators and so forth and it shouldn't be a big problem.
I am an old schoolteacher.
I haven't done contracting for several years.
All those new gizmos are newer than I have intimate knowledge of.
Motorized dampers do have more parts, but provide a higher degree of control.
Your local contractor's comfort level with dampers, heat pumps, variable speed, etc., should be very high on your list of qualifiers when choosing one system over another.
He is the one that has to keep it running and keep you happy.
Personally, I have two systems in my two-story, but I am thinking about putting in variable speed, with 2 systems.
The smallest heat pump split system is probably a ton and a half, commonly.
Ask your contractor.
02-10-2005, 11:03 PM #7Regular Guest
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Good advice, thanks again.
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replacing heat pump
follow swampfox's advice - he is 100% right
If someone covered this I missed it, but you refer to what sounds like single return openings on each floor. You should have dedicated returns to any room you want good airflow to. Exceptions being kitchen and bathrooms. If you are going to the expense of updating this system I would not take shortcuts on the air distribution system. As you have been advised, seek the advice of a reputable contractor. If none of these guys you have spoken with so far, have run a load calculation, kick em to the curb, and call someone in who will take the time and follow the steps necessary to give you a correctly sized job. His intestest in the "small stuff" will probably be a reflection of his attention to the big stuff. Most everyone here will be more than happy to offer an opinion, but the person looking at the job, and talking to you face-to-face is the one who needs to "get it right."
02-12-2005, 10:23 PM #10Regular Guest
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heat pump replace
I may be misinterpreting your concern but to clarify. Each room in the house has an air IN. Each floor will have a 20x25 air RETURN and filter. Are you suggesting I should have an IN and OUT in each room? There will be a thermostat on each floor. My latest contractor says that 2 and 1/2 tons is proper size but that 1 and 1/2 ton is smallest heat pump on the market, giving me a total of 3 tons but split between two floors. These are 14 SEER units. This contractor also spoke against durability of the one unit, two damper system.
All of you who have answered my questions have been a big help and I appreciate it. But, don't go away, I may be back.
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In a humid climate,I'd go with variable speed air handler and the best controls and zoning that that brand has.
The best,today is Infinity Zoning ,by Carrier.
Two systems ,equals ,two compressors,four fan motors and coils,to maintain,repair and eventualy replace.Look at zoning.
Every room needs a return "path" for the supply air to get back to the air handler.That can be under the door,though that may not be enough.
Run the fan,feel the air flow,close the door,if the air flow is reduced,that's a problem.
I believe dash reitterated my concern about single return points on each floor. This is an inexpensive way to keep from running individual returns to each space. You won't know it wasn't a good idea to run individual returns until down the road when you come back to this site asking why you don't get good air circulation between all your rooms. The only reason not to run a cold air return from each room (except bath and kit) is to save money. There are some builders that try to cut corners by saying this type of arrangement is fine. If it works, great, but if it doesn't you'll never be happy. Now is the time to address it. Also, if you are going to have two systems, then two (2) load calculations need to be run; for each space served by an independent system. You don't just divide it up by sq. ft / tonnage. You will always have a disproportionate cooling load for the upper floor and likewise a disproportionate heatng load for the lower floor.