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February 10, 2002, 08:13:43 AM »
I know very little about dvd burners and copyright protection on DVD's, and I was wondering if anyone could clarify a few things for me. Is it possible to copy Playstation 2 games with a DVD burner? I'm guessing they have some sort of copyright protection that prevents it, but is there any way to override it so I can make a backup copy of some of my ps/2 games? No matter how careful I am the discs always seem to get horribly scratched. Maybe some sort of software utility/patch?
Also, do some DVD movies have copyright protection?
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February 10, 2002, 12:00:04 PM »
No you cannot and yes they do. And for the moment it will stay that way. Most use multiple layers for recording and that is something that consumer DVD burners aren't capable of doing yet. The ethics of the issue are a completely different matter, I am still torn on that topic. I know many people who sould simply use it for backups(good friend of mine has kids, they trash every CD they can get their hands on over time, he would desperatly like to be able to make backups of his DVD's). On the other hand looking at how badly the PSX and Dreamcast were pirated...well....
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February 10, 2002, 03:42:45 PM »
Reflex the issue for me is very clear with so many family members in the gaming business.Console games are proprietary and should not be copied under any circumstances as based on the rights of the individual companies involved and the Federal Copyright laws.
Some pcgame makers have allowed in the past making copies of games as backup but if you read most of the agreements presently this is not the case with present games.
Now some companies if you send them the damaged games with proof of purchase will replace them at reduced cost and repair methods are available to fix many minor issues with game discs.
My advice to you is take care of your games but by no means make copies that you might share with friends or sell.This cheats the makers of these games of necessary revenue to continue making games and make a decent living plus is clearly illegal with todays laws.
**Discussion of the illegal copying and use of games really doesnt belong on this forum since we have clear rules against warez and copying onsite,
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February 10, 2002, 04:07:52 PM »
Crosscourt, you are incorrect. There is a set of laws called 'Fair Use' that permits copying of anything you own, from cassettes to CD's to DVD's for the purpose of backups. This ensure that if a device gets damaged a consumer does not have to go purchase another copy of something they already are legally licensed to view or listen to. These laws are very absolute, and I gave a perfectly normal example in my post on the topic.
The downside, of course, is that these laws are abused by a small minority of users. Right now there is a debate on the topic and we will see what comes of it. But currently it is perfectly legal to backup software/DVD's/Games that you already own a license to, and that is not changing anytime soon.
I also do not see what you mean by this post has no place here. He did not ask how to warez software, or how to steal software. He asked a perfectly legal question in a forum titled 'Off-Topic'. If this dosen't qualify as Off Topic, I don't know what does. Realize that I am one of the first to come down on piraters as you will notice in threads like the one with my response to the guy asking about Windows XP on multiple computers. However what Everlast80 asked about is perfectly legal.
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February 10, 2002, 11:01:35 PM »
First off you are correct about the fair use laws and it does allow the archival backup of games for personal use and you can read more about it here:
and Im already aware of that.
This is an issue that is still being sorted out as we speak such as in this article:
The fair use law section 107 does allow copying of computer software and other media but in the case of the consoles this is proprietary and the right to make games is licensed and for use only with that companies console.It is still considered legal to make copies for backup but the making of that copy allows it to be used on devices other than the console in question so there is a grey area involved in the law about this issue.This issue is being worked on as we speak thru precedents set with various cases this year about this problem.This is what Im referring to since his question was about psx2 games.
If we knew that every person who asks about making copies had just simple intentions that would be fine but that isnt the case most of the time.
Nothing personal toward Everlast but Ive seen many posts that were simple in nature that ended up with talk of illegal copies on other sites.One of which closed down a site before the mods spotted the situation and it got out of control.
My comments are from this point of view and I agree if this is for personal uses fine no problem but as usually happens games get copied and shared with friends and the problems begin.
The whole reason behind companies trying to go to great lengths to develop copy protection was to stop the huge flow of copied games and illegal distribution.Most companies still do not want copies made of their games and their warnings are included in most games.
I never said he couldnt post this topic. I made the warning to others who may want to discuss this issue for other reasons that its clearly against site rules and shouldnt be pursued as well as being an illegal activity.
As to whether my actions are appropriate thats up to the site management and Everlasts post is fine and my remarks are not necessarily intended
just for him but for anyone who made read this and get the idea its ok to copy and do whatever they like.
Bottomline is fair use laws have alot of problems many of which will change this year with actions from the IDSA and individual game companies such as Sony,CC
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February 10, 2002, 11:12:17 PM »
Thank you reflex. Crosscourt - I don't believe I discussed anything illegal I was simply asking if something was possible. I never said anything about giving, selling, loaning, or distributing copies to anyone. I'm just sick of paying $50 or more for a game, and not being able to play it because it is scratched. I think your private e-mail to me was sort of rude, and unnecessary. I'm sorry if your family members in the gaming business lose money because of pirating, but I don't support or promote pirating in any way, nor did I mention it in my post. I'm sorry if my topic offended you, but I thought this board was a place to freely discuss and share information. Was I wrong?
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February 11, 2002, 02:20:18 AM »
It is a place to talk about topics freely but when posts are made in particular about copying playstation 2 games on a computer site it does lend itself to abit of suspicion and thats all I meant by my posts and email.
We get members that range in age from very young to adults and many times simple posts are really a search for the necessary expertise to use to copy games for the wrong purposes in the guise of curing simple problems with their discs.
No offense was intended nor was I accusing you of anything illegal but just trying to see if your request was on the level or not.You would be surprised how many times it isnt and problems have ensued.
I apologize for any remarks I made you found offensive but the intent remains that moderators will be very attentive to posts like this due to issues that have affected alot of sites recently.
Feel free to pm me if you would like to discuss it,have a good night,CC
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February 11, 2002, 02:22:58 AM »
Since nothing illegal was shared, you are just fine. Crosscourt does not completely understand what he is talking about, it is perfectly legal to copy a Playstation game, as long as you are the ONLY one using it. There is no dispute on this. In fact, current attempts by corporations to make CD's uncopyable are now coming under congressional and legal fire due to the fact that they are taking away the fair use rights we were granted by law.
Don't get me wrong, I am all for copywrite holders getting their fair due, its why the Windows XP activation dosen't bother me. But fortunatly Microsoft was a bit smarter about it than the RIAA and other groups, they protected the program, not the CD its on. Very clever. Perhaps Sony and others need to follow this example...
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February 11, 2002, 02:33:12 AM »
Reflex-Croft, you're right about the "fair use" clause in copyright law. Too bad that the DMCA from 1998 renders it practically useless, among other things. It is downright unconstitutional because it infringes on a number of our Consitutional rights.
Check this story out...
Time To Rewrite The DMCA
As far as I'm concerned, my rights under the Constitution override any and every "EULA" I've ever "agreed" to. This land was founded on a nice principle called "Freedom of Choice" - notice it does not say "The Freedom To Limit One's Choices" and that's what the DMCA does. I'll even go so far as to say that all an EULA is is nothing more than a way for these businesses to coerce you into waivering your rights away.
For example, many EULAs say, "If you do not agree with the terms outlined in this agreement, return the product intact in its original packaging and all materials to the place you purchased it for a refund."
I like this.
It tries to make you feel all safe and secure when it reality, it's bogus. Why?
Most EULAs on software are INSIDE THE BOX, therefore in order to even read (much less agree) to the EULA, you have to crack open the plastic seal. WHOOPS!! Guess what? Once you crack that seal, you can't take the product back to the store for a refund because THEY have a policy that states "Opened items can only be exchanged for same item or for an item of equal value!"
In other words, they've stacked the deck. Retailers and businesses have rigged this whole system, not because of piracy...but as an insurance policy against something that could threaten them more than a handful of pirates. The DMCA, along with these EULAs, coupled with these return policies is their way of having an insurance policy against 1983 happening all over again - a complete crash in the whole market. With all of this intact, they can and will keep running all to the bank.
The IDSA says the video game industry is or will be worth $20 Billion dollars and they expect it to continue to grow. Of course it'll grow because these "rules", "policies" and "laws" insure their bottom line and leave us stuck with what we thought would be a pretty cool game or application but turned out to be nothing but buggy code on a coaster.
And don't give me the "go rent it at BlockBuster" excuse because Viacom, BlockBuster's parent company, makes sure that certain titles are only available in larger cities. To this day, my local BlockBuster does NOT have that new Dragon Warrior game for the PSX or even Tekken Tag Tournament for the PS2, thus it's not possible to rent EVERY SINGLE GAME from BlockBuster, no matter how popular or obscure it might be. They only get what their corporate office sends them, mainly because THEY have to pay anywhere from $120-200 PER COPY of any game, DVD, or VHS tape. Yeah, one copy of "Saving Private Ryan" is $100+ for BlockBuster but only $19.99 for us.
Now you know the real meaning behind the Wall Street Journal "adventures in capitalism" slogan!
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February 11, 2002, 05:07:40 AM »
You make the fair use law seem straightforward and easy and its far from that and is downright difficult to get a handle on.Companies may still have rights due to permissions and licensing which when proved can overcome the free use defense.
The most important point being part of the 4 points of free use.
4. If this use was widespread what effect would it have on the market for the original or for permissions?{economic impact}
My point here is very simple going beyond just this single post.When in doubt about whether something can be copied assume you need permission that in most cases is usually granted without a fee.
Free use is not assumed and it doesnt automatically give you the right to copy anything without prior permission.
Free use was originally intended for educational use,libraries and other archival uses with companies and various research uses through set guidelines.
Guidelines have been around for years about this but through recent developments in the courts free use has extended well beyond those areas espeically with digital media that is still in the midst of emerging laws and guidelines.
I understand this issue fairly well considering how complex it really is but it remains to be seen where this will go in the future.Given the huge amount of articles,conferences,studies by congress and major studies by University law schools this issue is too diffcult to generalize. An individuals rights to copy may vary with the nature of the use,of what the
actual material is and how much it you will be using plus how that copying if done by others would affect the market.
If everyone copies programs just once the economic affect could be huge which is why this issue isnt so cut and dry beyond the basics of this single post.
My intent here was not to anger the poster nor get into legal discussions with Reflex or anyone else.
I dont see free use as a carte blanche to copy whatever or whenever you like without consideration for the intellectual rights involved.
This applies to material from a small independent game developer right up to Microsoft or Oracle.If I was in that position and I was developing that game I have every right to be paid for my work and expect others to respect those rights.Permission to use the material in question isnt alot to ask and in most cases is given freely unless allowed in the agreement for that software.
Again I apologize for any comments I made that offended anyone involved in this post but my attitude is simply very different in this area due to personal interests.Many companies suffer due to this situation and the $20 billion dollar number is very deceptive when development costs are so high as well as marketing and losses from piracy particularly on the pc game side.CC
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February 11, 2002, 11:32:26 AM »
I think you just do not get it, CC. No one has discussed selling, distributing, or warezing copywrited materials. This discussion is about, and has been since the first post, copying software you already legally own for your own personal backup/archival purposes. Not distributing. Not selling. Not posting online. This is a legally protected activity under the Fair Use guidelines. It does not economically impact corporations unless they are counting on reselling the same product to the same person multiple times.
I don't understand why its difficult for you to get what we are talking about. I am usually the first to call someone a thief when it comes to warez and illegal duplicating. I have no sympathy for people going on about installing Office and WinXP on multiple computers. That is theft. But copying CD's and DVD's that you already own simply so that you don't ruin your originals is NOT illegal, and right now laws that make it illegal as a side effect(DMCA) are under fire and are being challenged.
This really isn't an argument or a debate, its just how it is.
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February 11, 2002, 01:50:31 PM »
Yes I do get it Reflex but as usual we dont see things the same way and my perspective in regards to this is entirely different from yours so continuing this discussion is pointless,point taken!!!CC
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February 11, 2002, 03:25:06 PM »
Why do I get the strange feeling that you think that CD-R's are inherantly evil? Mebbe dual deck tapes too. ;>
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February 11, 2002, 04:18:35 PM »
Actually I have no problem with the archival backup of pc software given the open nature of the pc model in general.I do believe licensing does provide limitations in some situations and may require permission otherwise thats fine.
I do see a problem with copying console games that are produced by a specific company for use on their console with licensing agreements maintained with various companies who pay for the ability to produce games for that console.
I also have problems with the casual copying to the extent that if its done by many people it can become an economic issue creating a market effect which changes the free use situation to some extent.
This link has a good article about this:
Heres an example of a thread on another site about a casual question and read everyones reaction:
Heres another article with a similar point of view to this thread:
The legality and the reality of the situation are two entirely different subjects.You are exactly right about the legality of the issue but Im dealing with the reality.Should forums provide any info about copying of software,many dont and delete threads dealing with any issues of this nature.Is a simple thread to be considered just that or
are any requests to be seen as potential piracy issues?The thread at cncnz talks about this abit.
I will clear this up with management myself to prevent any further problems but my main concern is to make sure VH doesnt end up in a legal situation accidentally.
The forum I use to work at 2 years ago was shut down because a poster asked about copying Psx games and he later was sharing discs and info by pm with other members.He too used the I scratch my discs alot post that was very tame but it turned into a complete mess.
Im not trying to point fingers at anyone nor get overbearing about this issue nor argue with you about the finer points of Copyright law.
This is a valid concern on sites and the issues arent entirely cut and dry and thats where Im coming from with this and other threads like this onsite.
Their have been many warez and borderline/casual posts up to this point and all have been handled but unfortuantely this one became abit complicated.
I hope Ive cleared this up abit without making matters worse but regardless of my good or bad handling of this all sites will reserve the right to limit or stop posts regarding this type of issue with Anandtech a good example,CC
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February 11, 2002, 07:39:29 PM »
Um, exactly what makes backing up a CD for your computer any different than a CD for a Playstation? Both would be backed up for the exact same purposes and both would have been legally purchased first. The format is identical, the media is identical, the only difference is one says 'Licensed by Sony' and the other does not.
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February 11, 2002, 08:29:30 PM »
The conflict of the issue here is interest, really.
Businesses want copy protection to protect their investments.
Consumers want ways to circumvent that copy protection in order to protect their investment.
So what we have is this system with the DMCA, EULAs, and retail return policies is it automatically assumes that every customer is nothing more than a thief - a pirate - a can not be trusted at all. Period. I seriously believe that these corporations made up this whole "piracy is our concern" just to distract the consumer long enough to suckle that $50 from them. Their concern is $$$, and granted piracy does make them lose a good chunk of money, but I do not see that as an excuse to infringe or otherwise limit the rights of the consumer. In fact, I think its something they say for public relations reasons. "We don't like making these stiff rules but the pirates made us do it..." It sounds so logical. It gives us the illusion that they are on our side. But they're not. There's only one side to them, and that's money. By locking away the options of the consumer, they are effectively enganging in extortion under the guise of piracy. They realized long ago that fighting piracy is a losing battle and there's no way they'll ever recoup the lost revenue from these guilty pirates so they stacked the deck against the honest and faithful consumer by instituting these rules and policies to offset their losses to a degree. In other words, the consumer is getting unfairly, unconstitutionally punished for the actions of these pirates, judged as nothing more than "thiefs" by proxy without any due process whatsoever, and the result is they still get to run all the way to the bank regardless. In other words, they act pissed off about piracy but relax a bit knowing that the customer is being gouged for it in the long run and that offsets their losses.
And secretly, although they'd never admit it publically, they actually like piracy and even manufacture products to encourage it. If it were not for the reproduction criminals, life would not be as rosy for them. So they set up these rules and regulations to act like they are trying to compete or be against the reproduction criminals, market and manufacture products that encourage it the likelyhood of these acts of reproduction just to make life easier for them - the business criminals.
Look at Sony. Big corporate conglomerate. They own movie studios, recording studios and record lables, produce TV and game shows, make the PlayStation series of gaming consoles, TV sets, VCRS, boom boxes, home theatre stereo equipment, yet also market and manufacture such things as blank VHS tapes, blank high grade chromium oxide cassette tapes, recordable CD-R and CDRW discs and even their CRX family of CD recorders - all of these products Sony manufactures and markets explicity for the purpose of reproduction for the conveinence of the consumer...
...and yet they whine and cry about piracy?!?!
Sounds awfully fruity and downright hypocritical to me!
And I don't feel sorry for them one bit.
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February 12, 2002, 01:29:44 AM »
Wow. Maybe I should have posted my question in the debate area? I didn't mean to bring up an issue that would start such an argument. I did end up learning quite a bit more than I expected to, and I'm sure others did too. I appreciate everyone's willingness to help answer my questions, you have been very helpful. I hope to continue to use this board to learn and share information, and I will be more careful what topics I bring up. To avoid future confusion, I have added a friendly disclaimer to my posts ;-)
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February 12, 2002, 03:31:55 PM »
Well, to answer the original poster!
Yes, you can copy your PS2 game, be it DVD or CD.
Yes, you heard me right. You can, it's easy. There is ZERO protection on a PS2 DVD game - it's all just one big ol' honkin' data directory.
HOWEVER, PS2 discs are physically modified. Hence you will need a Game Shark and something called a MOD chip in order to play your wonderful DVD copy. Those things ARE beyond the purview of this board. However, if you wish to learn more, a good place to start might be:
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February 12, 2002, 09:03:56 PM »
Despite my rantings, I don't get into the piracy scene. To me, it just a big waste of time. In the hour or two it might take me to snag a Dreamcast CD-image off some crazy, far flung, loaded-with-18-popup-adds website, that's an hour or two better spent playing RTCW and besides Dreamcast games are $12-20 tops at the cost of 7-10 mile drive so spending $20 and a 10 minute drive is much more conveinient and the idea of not having my happy carcass tossed so deep into prison the warden has to feed me with slingshot is a nice perk!
I've once spent 9 months in a juvenile lockup years ago and the boss repeatedly told me, "If you don't like it here, then don't come back!" Wise words, indeed.
Now CC, hey I didn't mean to offend you at all (you've been awfully silent) and I understand how you feel since you've got relatives that invest their blood, sweat and tears into the gaming industry. If it isn't the pirates taking food from their tables, is their corporate bosses forcing them to "meet that deadline" regardless if the code isn't up to snuff and turning them into borderline homocidal cranky insomniacs. I think that the majority of game developers don't like the idea of customers being forced to keep something of theirs that they weren't sastisfied with but they can only write the software. In essence, between their publisher and the pirates, game developers are beset by manipulation on all sides. However, despite all of the respect I have for game developers, the only thing that really matters to me in the long run is the same thing that matters to their boss - the bottom line. In other words, as long as I hold the wallet, I call the shots and MY terms are the only important ones. They will do whatever it takes to protect their interests and likewise, so will I. Pretty soon, this whole copy-protection/duplication/copyright infringment/DMCA stuff will get ugly. Too many customers will get sick and tired of their strong-arming tactics and the whole debacle will come to roost, and these corporations and Washington had better realize that they might be able to cram 10-20 pirates into jail here and there but if 100,000, 500,000, or even 1,000,000 or more angry consumers decide they will not tolerate it any longer and "revolt". What I mean by this "revolt" term is these people will engage in actions these businessmen deem criminal just because they can. Imagine these people demonstrating right in front of Sony headquarters blaring their personal mix CD on a boombox held over their head, some playing their "archival" copy of a videogame on their laptops, and some dumping their entire CD or game collection right on their front lawns. You might thing that's a notion right of a fairy tale but I think it'll happen sooner or later.
Sooner or later, the chickens will come home to roost. The facade is slowly cracking, and something must give. The consumers have given up enough. It's high time these coporations and Washington back down. If they don't, well they better not complain about the lack of a turnaround come election time.
If the citizens feel that their rights don't count, then what about their votes?
And on that, I'll bow out of this debate. I've said plenty.
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February 12, 2002, 11:43:19 PM »
I got your email CC, and I understand your concern. I can easily see how a thread like this can promote warez via PMs and I really hope that is not what's happening. If it is, you all know what happens if you get caught. You've been warned. However, I'm not going to stiffle conversations on a topic when they're perfectly legit as this one seems to be.
Not only that, I'll add my two cents. While I'm not a software developer, I am a musician and I have very mixed emotions about the whole thing. If my music was popular enough to matter, I wouldn't necessarily want people ripping me off. However, we currently give all of our music away for free as it is. I don't think the music/software/movie industries are approaching this the right way. What I've noticed from observing friends that buy and friends that warez is that the people that warez never would have purchased in the first place. Generally speaking, they can't afford it, never could, and are therefore not part of the market anyway. I rip every single cd I buy off to mp3 so I can listen to it on my computer. I've been doing this for well over a year now and I still purchase just as many cds as before. I buy all the games I play. I rent or buy all the movies I watch. What gets me really aggravated is when the fair use of that purchased media is thwarted. Right now my pet peeve is macrovision on DVD. I built a media box to play mp3s and dvds in my living room. However, because my TV and Video output are macrovision impaired, I can't watch DVDs on my TV without installing software to get around it. This is CLEARLY illegal and does nothing but make me angry at the movie industry. They have restricted my ability to watch a DVD that I paid for on my system of choice. What they need to do is stop wasting their money fighting it. They will not win and in the end the legitimate consumer is punished with higher prices to pay for their lawsuits.
Did tapes destroy the music industry? How about minidisk players, cds, DATs, etc....
Did the VCR destroy the movie industry?
Did the CDRW destroy the gaming industry?
The answer is no to all of the above.
I have never talked to an active warez user that could actually afford the high prices for the games they've stolen. $50 was two weeks worth of groceries to me when I was in college and that's where the majority of this is happening. I used to copy cds to tapes when I was in High School because I was making $3.35 an hour at Burger King and couldn't afford the real thing. When I could, I actually went out and purchased a fair amount of the stuff I dupped. I have over 150 tapes and 300 cds in my collection. I had napster and I have morpheus. I try stuff out and then I buy it. I have 17 "Napster" cds and counting. These are cds that I NEVER would have bought if I hadn't downloaded tracks and tried it out first. I heard about these bands by word of mouth because they can't get played on the radio. I'm not buying something I've never heard. In these cases, the record company owes Napster and Morpheus thanks. They sold albums. They need to quit working against a medium that isn't hurting them.
I just don't believe that people with money are going to expend the enormous effort it takes to warez stuff, when they can go down to Blockbuster and pay $3 to rent it for a couple nights. Their only going to watch it once or twice anyway, so why bother? As far as mp3s go, I can never get complete albums, or if I do each track is ripped at different qualities and it's so uneven it's annoying, so if I want it all I have to purchase the cd anyways. Plus, MP3s just aren't the same quality as CDs and on a high end stereo I want the real deal.
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February 13, 2002, 05:14:02 AM »
I'm with you on that, Scut. I have a HUGE collection of MP3's, and I am proud to say that I ripped each and every one of them myself. The reason is that I use them for Dj work and as a result I had to be certain of their quality on auditorium sized sound systems. When I work I am covered by an ASCAP/BMI license, meaning that I can legally play everything I have. Of course if it was up to the record industry they would remove my rights to have the media in this format and I would be back to a dual CD deck. Horribly inconvenient. I used to hate hauling around a massive CD case with a bunch of equip. Now I just take a computer. ;> Soon a laptop. Much better system.
The assumption that the only reason people would want to copy store bought media is that they are pirates is rediculous and unfounded. I have met a couple rich kids who still warez everything they can, but they are the exception, not the rule. Most people I know who warez are kids, either in body or mind, and would not have purchased the product anyways. That dosen't mean that what they are doing is ok, I actively discourage warez at every turn, however I do not believe in overreacting to people trying to utilize their fair use rights. The more I think about it, the more I like the Windows XP method, I originally hated it, but when you think about it it is the ultimate compromise: You can copy the XP CD all you want, but the license is only good for your one system. Pretty neat and dosen't block my rights to backing up my software CD's.
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February 13, 2002, 09:34:55 AM »
Reflex, I definately agree with you on the XP method. Honestly, it would make my job (lan admin) a lot easier if more programs were like that. So much of my time has been wasted dealing with licensing issues, because many users on my network don't even understand that you can't just install a program on as many computers as you want. I also like the "dongle" method used by some programs, where you have to have that little pass-thru parallel port device. If only all software vendors had used these type of methods from the beginning, I wouldn't have to waste my time constantly making sure we're legal. I think these methods are a good compromise for the "pirating vs. backing up" issue. Software vendors get to avoid piracy, people can still backup their media, and my job will be) a whole lot easier (you wouldn't believe how many marketing people love to run around wildly, installing Corel Draw on every machine in the building). I don't see any real downsides to these methods, does anyone else?
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since this looks like the appropriate thread for my questions, here it goes...
I have 2 PCs at my home, and i'm the only one to use them. One of them is the system u see in the signature, and the other one is using Linux at the moment. Nevertheless, a few months ago, i was thinking of installing MSOffice on it along with Windows. Anyway, I own a copy of Windows98 SE (my previous OS), so, i have no doubt i can use it on the other PC, since on my primary PC i now use XP. But, is it illegal if i install Office on my other PC? Or do i really need to buy 2 copies for me??? It's i and only i who owns both computers, and i who is using them.
I'm not even gona use them both at the same time, is just that, id i'm in one computer in my bedroom, i don't want to go upstairs to type something quick in word...
Any thoughts?
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Although the companies might want you to think otherwise, current US copyright law holds that you can certainly install on both computers, but legally can't use the same program on different machines at the same time.
That answer your question?
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OMAHA (DTN) -- Corn producers across the United States outdid themselves this week, propelling the amount of acres planted to 71% by Sunday, May 19. Last week only 28% of the nation's crop was in the ground. This pace is reportedly a record-setter.
Thanks to last week's sprint, planting progress is now only 8 percentage points behind the five-year average, an average that includes last year's blistering 95% planted rate.
"If my math is correct, and USDA is still using its 97.3 million acre corn planting projection, then over 41.8 ma were planted last week," said DTN Senior Analyst Darin Newsom.
Nineteen percent of the corn is emerged, compared to 5% last week and a 46% five-year average.
"Despite rains over the past weekend, corn planting should speed to an end, putting the attention on emergence," said Newsom. "This could remain a concern as a slower emergence pace pushes silking, doughing, and denting deeper into the heat of the summer."
The report should be viewed as bearish for corn, Newsom said.
Soybean planting progress rose to 24%, compared to 6% last week and a 42% five-year average. Three percent of the soybean crop has emerged, compared to a 14% five-year average.
The numbers should be viewed as bearish for soybeans, Newsom said.
Winter wheat headed rose to 43%, compared to 29% last week and a 62% five-year average. Winter wheat conditions worsened to 41% poor to very poor, compared to 39% last week. It's uncertain how much, if any, of this past weekend's severe weather damage is factored into these condition ratings.
"The drop in ratings led to a DTN Winter Wheat Crop Condition Index of only 32 points," Newsom said. "Last week this index came in at 39 points. Key states continue to decline with the Kansas crop showing a rating of 26 points, Oklahoma (-7) points, and Texas (-94) points.
"The percent headed as of Sunday, May 19, was reported at 43% as compared to the five-year average of 62%. Kansas was pegged at 41%, Oklahoma 79%, and Texas 70%, all well behind average."
The numbers are bullish for winter wheat, Newsom said.
Spring wheat planting increased to 67% complete, compared to 43% last week and a 76% five-year average. Twenty-two percent of the crop was emerged, compared to 10% last week and a 49% five-year average.
"Spring wheat, like corn and soybeans, saw a great deal of work done as the weather finally cleared," Newsom said. "Minnesota jumped to 71% from the previous report's 19%, while North Dakota nearly doubled its plantings to 50% completed."
Oats were 86% planted, compared to 70% last week and a 91% five-year average. Emergence was reported at 62%, compared to 47% last week and a 77% five-year average. Oat conditions, reported for the first time this year are 47% good to excellent.
Barley is 70% planted, compared to 55% last week and a 77% five-year average. Barley emergence is reported at 35%, compared to 25% last week and a 47% five-year average.
Sorghum is 35% planted, compared to 29% last week and a 42% five-year average.
Cotton is 39% planted, compared to 23% last weke and a 52% five-year average. Rice is 80% planted and 60% emerged with a condition rating of 54% good to excellent.
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Consultations are available at both surgeries Monday to Friday by appointment which can be arranged at the reception desk at either surgery or by telephone to the Central Appointments Desk – 328528 (receptionist 8.30am-6.30pm Monday to Friday, automated line for routine appointments 24 hours a day).
If you are unable to keep your appointment for any reason please let us know as soon as possible so that it may be given to another patient. Over 2000 appointments per year are missed so please let us know! You can use the autmoated line to check and to cancel your appointments.
Both Hall Grove and Parkway surgeries are part of the same practice with the same computer system and same doctors doing sessions at both sites. If you have a preferred doctor and they are not doing a session at your closest surgery on a convenient day for you consider booking an advanced routine appointment at the other surgery.
In life threatening emergencies call 999 for an ambulance and then our emergency number 01707 323355.
We operate an OPEN SURGERY SYSTEM for URGENT PROBLEMS at Hall Grove (every morning) and at Parkway (Tuesday-Friday mornings). You may telephone the appointments line where you will be given a time to attend. We will see EVERY SINGLE PERSON that requires an appointment IF it is an URGENT problem that must be seen that day.
Please note you can phone Parkway Surgery to make appointments at Hall Grove and vice versa.
We urge patients to only discuss ONE problem with the doctor in the urgent surgeries as these appointments are shorter to ensure everyone can be seen that day. We strongly advise patients for non urgent or chronic problems to book routine appointments.
If you would like to be seen for a routine problem (such as a medicines review, a problem that has been present for months, or chronic illness review) then it is best to book an advanced routine appointment with your preferred doctor. Please let the receptionist know if you have a preferred doctor.
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If it is for a routine problem (such as medicines review, a problem that has been present for months, or chronic illness review) then it is best to book an advanced routine appointment with your preferred doctor.
If you make a book on the day appointment for an urgent problem your preferred doctor may not be doing a urgent appointment session that day. If they are then we will try and fit you in with your preferred doctor if you ask.
Home visits are reserved only for patients who as a result of their medical condition are unable to leave the house. The decision whether a home visit is appropriate is at the discretion of the visiting doctor who may call before visiting. Approximately 4 patients can be seen in the time it takes for the doctor to do 1 home visit so please only request this if you are unable to come to the surgery. Not having transport is not accepted as a reason to request a home visit.
If you require a home visit telephone 323355 or send a message to Hall Grove Surgery between 8.30am-10.30am.
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There is only one of the doctors doing visits each day and therefore we cannot accept requests for visits by a specified GP. If you have a preferred doctor and the problem is not urgent please try to arrange for transport/help to get into see your preferred doctor at the surgery in an advanced routine appointment.
Every 3 months across the country 200 people from each GP practice are called and asked a series of questions about their local surgery. Scoring badly can have serious consequences for the services the practice provides, for example the health authority could remove services such as minor operations or annual health checks for our patients with learning disability.
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We are open from 8.30am-6.30pm 5 days a week. We do not shut any lunch times or afternoons like some practices still do. In addition we have extended hours until 7.30pm two evenings a week, plus alternate Saturday mornings for routine appointments. There are few GP surgeries in Hertfordshire with more extensive opening hours.
Seeing patients with urgent problems:
We run an open surgery policy all day, everyone that has a medical problem (most commonly infections) who need to be seen that day will be seen. If the morning surgeries are full we will continue seeing any urgent cases that must be seen that day. In the afternoon if you call to be seen you will be put on the triage list for the duty GP to phone you back.
Being told there are 'no appointments left today' does not mean that we will not see you if you have an urgent need.
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We now have a new full time partner to increase the number of appointments we offer. On top of that we also now have Fin, our minor illness and dermatology nurse.
Calling patients back:
If you have a problem/question but feel it doesn't need a face to face consultation you can call reception to leave a message for a doctor. The doctor will call you back between sessions that day if possible. Many practices do not offer this kind of service.
If you are called for the survey we hope you remember the efforts we have gone to improving the service and feel able to mark us as high as possible as we would like to continue providing the current range of services and more.
We have been trying our best to improve how easy it is to get through to us on the phone. To significantly improve this further we have installed a new automated phone system for booking doctor appointments.
By using this system you will not have to wait to speak to a receptionist to book your appointment. It can be used for both urgent appointments in the morning as well as normal advanced routine appointments 24 hours a day .
With receptionists no longer spending so much time booking appointments it will become much easier to get through to them for other queries (please call after 10am for these). The option will still be there to speak to a receptionist to book your appointment if you need.
The automated system will also allow you to cancel your appointment and check your appointment time.
We needed to set the options you choose when booking your appointment. The options will be: 1. Parkway or Hallgrove; 2. Urgent or Routine;
If you need a routine appointment you can choose: 1. Next available appointment; 2. male or female doctor; 3. specific doctor.
For urgent on the day appointments you will be given the next available slot that morning. If all slots are filled you will be diverted to a receptionist.
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I am so thrilled to have found this site, I have been trying to homeschool for 3 yrs now, and we are definitely unschoolers.... for some time now I have been getting down on myself for not "educating" my children properly.... I know that they learn at their own pase and was so relieved to find an actuall term for our style of educating. We live in SR and my oldest son Justin, is going to be 15 the end of January. Shannon is 10, Nicole is 5 and Keith is 1yr. I would love to talk to you and see how things have been going for you. Occasionally I am on FB, but not as of late.
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Canada Citizenship and Immigration recently released a new study guide for immigrants who wish to become Canadian citizens. Thanks to Federal Minister Jason Kenney, the guide does not contain any reference to Canada's gay rights.
I've put in a link below. The Globe and Mail article includes links to related items. Be sure to check the awesome Adam Radwanski column, "Jason Kenney's mixed messages." Also, please let me know if the link works, because I've never done this before.
I would really like to know what the American Soulforce members think of this. It's always good to get an outside viewpoint. I would also like to encourage other Canadians out there to write, phone, or e-mail their Members of Parliament. I've made up a bit of a summary here.
The original draft of the guide included the following statements:
"Homosexuality was decriminalized in 1969 and more recently civil marriage rights to same-sex couples was legalized nationwide in 2005"
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"Equality Rights - Canadians are protected against discrimination based on race, gender, national origin, religion, sexual orientation or age."
These two items were deleted on orders from Kenney's office.
Kenney's spokesman, Alykhan Velshi, said "we had to ensure the guide did not become encyclopedic." I wasn't aware that two sentences could be "encyclopedic".
Now Kenney is trying to deny everything. He's using the Bart Simpson defense: "I didn't do it and you can't prove I did." (See the "Update" link at the bottom of Adam Radwanski's column.)
People are entitled to know about their rights - all of their rights. That's as crucial to citizenship education as information on laws and responsibilities. The Tories (Conservatives) don't like gay rights, so they dumped a reference to human rights in general. That's despicable.
This is a black eye to Canada's reputation. I was always proud of Canada's record on gay rights. The Tories seem to be ashamed of it. Hey, Jason! Gay rights aren't an embarrassment to Canada; you and your homophobe buddies are!
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Well I think it can be used with a negative connotation, but it still points a specific concept that cannot be refered to by one word otherwise. I think it's more a matter of reflecting and discussing the meaning of the word. I don't think it should be pointed towards individuals, but rather groups and archetypal identities. I can say James Bond, as an archetypal character, is a cis male and I can say the cis male is the dominating model for masculinity in society, but I should avoid labeling an individual with this word.
In other words, I don't believe censorship of words is a good way to avoid agressivity and insults.
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Urgh! 3rd child name nightmare
After months of deliberation and argument over names for my son and then for my daughter, we found out a couple of months ago that we're expecting a surprise baby number three. After the shock of this unexpected delight the next thought was, 'oh no, how on earth do we name this one!' We like close to normal, but not quite common names. Our son is Zebedee Tom and our daughter is Elsbeth Beatrix. This also works for us as we have gone over all the variations of nicknames we can think of for these names and we like them all. We also like how Zebbie Tom and Elsie Bea can be easily spun into little made up lullabies for them. But what on earth do we name the third?? I quite like Tabitha for a girl and Barnabas for a boy as these continue the 'b' sound that features in the previous two first names but can't think of catchy middle names that flow. Meanings of names are quite important to us as well. Oh I don't know! Any ideas??
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Zebedee and Elsbeth - what a fun set of siblings! I think Tabitha or Barnabas would work excellently with your other children's names. For middle names for Tabitha...Tabitha Leora (Tabby Lee) or Tabitha Jane (Tabby Jane) came to mind for me. I'm not sure on middle names for Barnabas, and still I'm trying to figure out how you'd shorten it to a cute lullaby name (Barnie?), but - going out on a limb, here - have you thought about the name Tobias? Toby is a cute nickname and the meaning of the name is "God is good", which is quite nice.
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June 14th, 2012 11:13 AM #5
You have a great style going. I understand it can get tricky to continue though! I actually prefer Barnaby to Barnabas, although I guess that might be a little too matchy with Zebedee. Tabitha is adorable too.
For middle names, do you have a grandparent you'd like to honor, or other family name to give you ideas?
Some ideas off the top of my head --
Tabitha Belle
Tabitha Bellamy
Tabitha Gwyneth
Tabitha Eve
Tabitha Suzanne
Tabitha Noelle
Tabitha Catherine
Tabitha Ruth
Tabitha Verity
Barnabas Jonathan
Barnabas Jack
Barnabas Truth
Barnabas Ivo
Some Barnaby ideas too since when I thought of them, they didn't seem to flow with Barnabas.
Barnaby Zephaniah/Barnaby Zephan
Barnaby Zane
Barnaby Theo
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Ah, thank you. I love Barnaby but it's already been snaffled by someone else in the family. Only as a middle name mind you, but it wouldn't be appreciated if we copied exactly. Barnabas would become Barney - also because we often call our other two Zed and Bea - Zed, Bea and Barney feels like it has a ring to it, however my husband's doubt is about having a name with an 's' at the end as our surname also ends in 's'. We'd already lined up Tobias for Zebedee but we ruled it out for that reason. I've just been a bit stubborn with Barnabas (son of encouragement). Tabitha is lovely isn't it, even though it means gazelle! Tabitha Eve is a lovely combination. Tom is a family name so we used that for Zeds, other family names are Charlie, Emmie and Florence, so did contemplate Tabitha Florrie but Tabbie Flo sounds like some kind of toilet appliance! Florence is a lovely first name but if anybody remembers the 1970s programme 'The Magic Roundabout' (uk so maybe not) there were two characters called Zebedee and Florence and we already get comments about it for Zeds. My other thought for a boy was Josiah, possibly teamed with Obadiah, he'd be our Joby. Hmmm. Hard isn't it!
June 14th, 2012 08:59 PM #9
LOL -- Tabbie Flo is pretty bad. I'm in the U.S. and I've never heard of the show, but I'd generally avoid cast members as siblings so Florence is probably best left alone.
Ooh I love Josiah, but Josiah Obadiah is a little much. If you're looking for nn Joby, maybe...
Joab Ethan (LOVE this for you, gets the B in first name)
Joseph Obadiah (prn it Jozeph gives you a Z sound, subtle but nice match to Zeb)
I also feel like you might love Ozias, again with the -s ending but great meaning, so unusual and it just sounds amazing. Great meaning on Barnabas too so I understand that. I've seriously considered it myself but here in the States I'm just not sure if the masses are ready for Barn- anything after the purple dinosaur on children's programming. Maybe you could use Barnabas in the middle? Josiah Barnabas?
Some others you might like...
Boaz (though I've heard fear that it could get @ss teasing)
Benedict (no-no in the States but you could do it!)
Amadeus (one of my all-time favorite names, my husband says no every time. You could use Amadeo to eliminate the S ending)
I'll check in if I think of any more. Hope you like something here!
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I think Tabitha and Barnabas go great with your sibset. Here are some other possibilities:
Abel (Abie)
Abraham (Abie, Bram)
Albert (Albie, Bertie)
Bartholomew (Bart, Barth, Barty, Barto)
Bernard (Bernie)
Benjamin (Benji)
Caleb (Cab)
Eben or Ebenezer (maybe a little to close with Zebedee)
Gabriel (Gabe)
Gilbert (Gilby?)
Oberon (Obie?)
Robin (you could use this for a girl too-- or Robina)
Sebastian (Seby?)
Tobin (instead of Tobias to get to Toby?)
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Thank you so much for the advice. the great thing about such transatlantic wisdom is that we all get to think outside the box. For instance Benedict is quite big here at the moment (actor called Benedict Cumberbatch- BBC and Shakesperean actor has seen to that) and I'd never heard of Ozias, but I love it! Could be a bit 'out there' perhaps with the other two names but maybe not.. Josiah Benjamin would still mean I get my Joby, and you're right, having barnabas as a middle name could definitely be an option. We already have an Albert known as bertie in the family, my brother-in-law, and a Reuben and an Abraham but thank you for the suggestions. Definitely thinking along the same lines. I like oriel for a girl as well but not sure how this would be shortened. I get the teasing about Barney, my other brother-in-law is called Digby and used to get a lot of angst about having the same name as 'The biggest dog in the world' a 1973 film, and my sister-in-law has got dibs on Boaz so I begrudgingly have to pass that one by. I've got a lot of work to do, my husband has decided that this one is called Mowgli and I can't work out if he's joking or not!
June 15th, 2012 02:30 PM #15
You have great taste! I have a brother named Barnabas and another named Josiah! Barnabas's middle name is Andrew. He doesn't really get nicknamed, except as the occasional joke, because my folks didn't like the nn Barney. If you like it, go for it! I think Barnabas Andrew "Barney Drew" could be cute. If you don't like the 's' ending in Tobias (one of my favorite names!), Tobin (as a pp suggested) or Tobiah would still fit nicely with your style and get you the nickname Toby.
Tabitha is sweet. Susanna comes to mind as a name with a similar feel and cute nicknames (Susie, Anna, Annie...), but I don't know whether it's popular there. Susanna Jean? Tabitha Jean?
Congratulations and best wishes!"He telleth the number of the stars; He calleth them all by their names."
Psalm 147:4
Shaking things up a bit:
Robin Maccabee ~ Bartholomew Prentice ~ Viggo Matthias
Elnora Fairlight ~ Narcissa Rose ~ Sylvie Magdalen
Triples for fun:
Lucian Barnaby Reuel ~ Gillian Mary Lavinia ~ William Wythe Taliesin ~ Viola Guinevere Loveday ~ George Wystan Llyr
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Picking up on the Joby theme, how about Jobin nn Joby? Both Joby and Jobin are old medieval diminutives of Job that now survive as surnames. And Jobin is very similar to Tobin, a variant of Tobias.
Another similar name is Jory - the Cornish form of George.
Other Joby longer-form possibilities:
Josiah Job
Jago Barnabas
Joah Baranbas
Jovian Beau / Ben / Boyd
Also, on a side note, when I first saw the names Zebedee and Elspeth my first thought for a girl was Tabitha or Jemima and Gideon or Gulliver for a boyLast edited by elea; June 16th, 2012 at 04:38 AM.
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June 16th, 2012 05:57 AM #19
Barnabas positively couldn't be more perfect for a second son! [I recommend Barnabas Jack, nickname: Barney Jack.]
In addition to Tabitha, you might consider Moira for a second daughter. [I recommend Moira Eloise, nickname: Mimi Lou]
Absolutely loving this offbeat [and adorable!] sibset for you ...
01-02. Barnabas [and] Zebedee [Hebrew versions of Biblical names]
03-04. Elspeth [and] Moira [Celtic versions of Biblical names]
... so much so, in fact, I'm rooting for you to have a fourth child .


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If I paid my life savings for my dream home, you can bet I'd be pissed off if paintballs were being shot at it and my cars.
Granted, they do sound like a couple of assholes, but put yourself in their shoes. I realize that's hard to do when you've never seen five figures in your own bank account before....
^^ agreed, if paint is actually going into their property too isn't that a risk liability? meaning the field is unsafe? would suck if you were mowing your lawn then a paintball hits you out of no where. The field needs to respect their neighbors because when they become a safety liability, you can guarantee they won't last.


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Wednesday, 14 June 2006
In which Aishwarya controls herself and does not go on a murdering rampage
About ten days ago, Airtel offered to change my prepaid number to a *postpaid* (that isn't a real term, is it?) one for free. This (they said) was to be done with minimum discomfort to me, would only take a day, my phone would only be unuseable for a few minutes, etc. I very much doubted that it would be that easy, but I'd been planning to switch over for a while. The next day someone from the company arrived to collect proof of identity (which was given) and a passport sized photo of me (also given) and I, sweet innocent that I am, thought it was all over.
Two days later I was out and someone from the office showed up again to confirm my address. They hadn't told me they were going to, and my dad (who was home) asked why not. Apparently the man told him that they did not call ahead for address confirmations, and dad pointed out(reasonably, I thought) that if they expected their customers to be home all the time, said customers would hardly require cellphones. Since I wasn't home, the guy left.
The next day someone did call, asking me what time would be convenient for me. I told him. He didn't show up.
The next day, they disabled all outgoing calls and messages on my phone.
I called up to complain twice. The second time, they reactivated my phone calls, etc, and promised to send a man to confirm my address. The man came, confirmed my address, was again shown proof of ID, and left.
On saturday morning, two hours before my flight to Bombay I discovered that Airtel had switched off my roaming priveleges, so that my phone would be useless outside Delhi. It would be nice if they'd told me this would happen, but I suppose it's my fault for not asking at the time. So I switched my phone off and left it at home and went off to Mumbai, thinking I'd get the roaming thing sorted out when I got back.
This evening I came home and switched on my phone. A couple of text messages needed replying to, and inexplicably, my phone refused to send said messages. Nor would it make outgoing calls. This was beginning to seem rather familiar. I called customer care (for the fifth time in ten days) and asked what was going on.
I was told my address hadn't been confirmed.
A rather timid customer care guy told me he understood completely and that someone would come to confirm my address...by June 21st.
At times like these, you can either yell or bang your head repeatedly against a wall. I yelled.
I think I'm getting a new phone number. And if anyone from Airtel actually reads this, you are welcome to grovel.
18 comments:
- Falstaff said...
I still think you should have gone for the full-scale rant. It's not just the entertainment value, it's very unhealthy to keep all these negative emotions bottled up inside. Ask any Reader's Digest devotee. Repressed hostility against utility companies is the third largest cause of fatal psychological trauma, after road rage and the desire to attack relatives who want to know when you're getting married with chainsaws. Don't blame me when you find yourself waking up from a nightmare screaming "Dammit, this IS my address".
And as for cellphones that won't make 'outgoing' calls - don't even get me started on the Freudian symbolism of that. - Wednesday, June 14, 2006 9:25:00 am
- MadHat said...
Hmm.. I fell for their lure too.
I suppose you havnt found out yet that they require Rs 1500 deposit each to activate std calls and roaming. Also, some Rs 8000 deposit for ISD call activation.
My phone still does not have roaming activated on it, although they did activate STD calls.
And calling their call center hardly helps. I have found the customer service of Airtel the worst. I hope TLP arrives soon so that I would be able to switch my connection to some other better provider but from what I hear there seems to be none. :(
Pre-paid is the best. - Wednesday, June 14, 2006 5:58:00 pm
- The Optimist said...
If I tell you that I faced the same treatment with Hutch would that make you happy? Plus please clarify your plan with one of the Airtel Shops in town, as they will deliver a huge bill with unknown tariffs and charge rates. I didnt know this but my 199 monthly talk plan had extra charges for caller ID and SMS charges. SO without waiting for your bill confirm your charges!
- Wednesday, June 14, 2006 8:09:00 pm
- Aishwarya said...
Falstaff - *grin*. I think I can handle it.
Madhat - 8000 for ISD? WTF? And I actually need that!
Airtel customer care is hilarious...after I've been ranting about why they've disconnected my phone, the guy politely asks me if I'm happy with the service Airtel provides.
Rehab Chougle - (um. "rehab chougle"? why?). And yes, I'll be sure to go into the details as much as possible with the new number. - Wednesday, June 14, 2006 10:02:00 pm
- spotted elephant said...
This is the sort of thing that makes me want to live in the woods and never deal with another company again.
- Wednesday, June 14, 2006 10:39:00 pm
- MadHat said...
And they think privitisation would improve things...
- Wednesday, June 14, 2006 10:49:00 pm
- Aishwarya said...
SE - Some of the commentors at Ginmar's blog have been discussing a feminist commune. I'm joining that.
Madhat - To be fair, I have equal faith in the government's desire to screw me over. - Thursday, June 15, 2006 12:34:00 am
- MadHat said...
@aishwarya: to be fair, I said 'improve'
- Thursday, June 15, 2006 10:47:00 am
- imhunt said...
Stay on the phon line with the customer service and tell them to do it right there, the min 3 hours thing is a bogus claim, it hardly takes 2 mins to activate any service. I've done it.
And youw were in Mumbai? When? - Thursday, June 15, 2006 1:49:00 pm
- Aishwarya said...
Madhat - I'm not convinced. At least I have options, even if they asren't very good ones.
Mithun - From Saturday night to Tuesday afternoon. I should have called or something, shouldn't I?
I don't suppose you'll be in Delhi any time soon? - Thursday, June 15, 2006 2:00:00 pm
- the wannabe indian punkster said...
Phone companies and their plans of world domination.
Its a conspiracy. Im telling you. - Friday, June 16, 2006 2:15:00 am
I exactly went through the same ordeal about an year ago.I was lured by a scheme of airtel where one pays Rs 900 as advance rental for two years in lieu of the monthly rent. So i decided to migrate from pre-paid to post paid, while retaining the same number.They told me that my connection would be deactivated for about 24-48 hours for some technical reasons. But even after a week my connection was not restored.When i called up their customer care, they informed me that my address verification could not be done and thats why my connection could not get activated. I informed them that i stay alone and will be available at home, during daytime, only on sundays.Then they said they will come next sunday. that meant six more days.I couldnt withstand the harassment any longer. I threatened to file a complaint with TRAI if my connection was not restored in the next 24 hours. I think this somehow worked. My connection was restored quickly. But they didnt activate STD/ISD. The restoration of connection was of no use to me since 90% of the calls i make are STD. Again i had to repeat the whole process of arguments, threats and all kind of things which i normaly hate to do.Finally it took a month for all hassles to be sorted out.
I thought several times about dumping airtel for someother service provider. But i heard similar, if not worse, stories from subscribers of other services.Competetion in telecom sector has certainly brought down the tariffs. But improvement in the quality of service has not kept similar pace.Telecom companies still continue to enjoy certain monopoly powers which arise out of the uniqueness of subscriber numbers.My decision to stick to airtel, inspite of such unsavoury experiences, is mainly due to the fear of losing my number. Its virtually impossible to inform all people known to me about the change in my mobile number. I heard that TRAI is toying with the idea of number portability.I am waiting for the day it is implemented.
P.S. sorry for using your blog to vent my frustration - Friday, June 16, 2006 8:35:00 pm
- Confused & Baffled said...
Even here in Calcutta, AirTel does all this stuff all the time. They dont know how to talk English fluently most of them. I half suspect they're made to sit with a book of phrases, that they are supposed to spout every 5-6 seconds in order to appear as half-witted as possible.
I had a similar problem when I wanted to send some messages to New Zealand, but couldn't for an unfathomable reason. Every time I called them, I had to speak to a different Customer Irritate Representative, and so I'd go over my case with them right from the start.
Sometimes, in my more sombre moods, I wonder if Hutch would be better for me. I dont know about you in Delhi and all, but in Cal its called Hutch Pink. That word snaps me out of my melancholy fast enough. - Saturday, June 17, 2006 9:44:00 pm
- Anirudh said...
We await a post. You are as bad as the uncle.
- Monday, June 19, 2006 11:34:00 am
- Ben Jarvis said...
So have you quit LJ?
- Wednesday, June 21, 2006 2:39:00 am
- Aishwarya said...
Megha - *grin*
Jitesh - It sounds like you've sufferred more than me! Rant away!
Anirudh - How dare you? I am far, far better than the uncle. So there.
Ben - No, I haven't abandoned LJ! I'm just...too tired to really talk about my personal life right now.:) - Thursday, June 22, 2006 1:38:00 am
- Just Mohit said...
Thanks for sharing the pain! You prompted me to write about my own frustrating experience at http://unjustly.wordpress.com/2006/07/02/phone-companies-bah/
- Sunday, July 02, 2006 12:36:00 pm
On Airtel another wonderfull thing happens if you call them 6 times within a short duration you cannot call them again for the next 24 hours.
If you have ever used their Net on phone service you will realise a minimum of 8 calls on an average is required and always an esclation solves the problem. - Wednesday, November 01, 2006 12:30:00 am


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MyFord Touch added to 2014 Ford Fiesta
The newest version of MyFord Touch will be available in the 2014 Ford Fiesta when it debuts next year. It will feature a 6.5-inch screen in the small car's center console. The company's SYNC technology will also hit its five-year anniversary next year.
"We are seeing strong brand lift from MyFord Touch amongst in-market shoppers, with 65 percent of those intending to purchase a vehicle reporting SYNC definitely plays a role in their purchase consideration," says Michelle Moody, Ford cross-vehicle marketing manager.
"Take rates for MyFord Touch on new vehicle orders, such as the 2013 Escape and Fusion, continue to outpace our internal projections. We expect the same trend for Fiesta."
New software for 2014 will simplify Bluetooth phone pairing by allowing the driver to only touch the OK button if pin numbers match rather than entering their own pin number with each pairing. Ford says the system has improved voice recognition and more simplified controls for changing functions. Drivers and passengers can also now say, "play jazz" instead of "play genre jazz." The destination entry screen has been improved and simplified as well.
The 2014 Ford Fiesta was revealed in September, but not before we found out it would be the first North American-market Ford to carry the company's three-cylinder EcoBoost engine.
We'll probably see a version at the L.A. Auto Show this week, and definitely in Detroit in January.
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