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Imagine Newport….without a toll on the Pell Bridge……
On Wednesday evening, Feb. 13, 2013, scores of East Bay residents testified to the Rhode Island Senate Finance Committee on Senate Bill 20 by Senator Walter Felag and Senate Bill 242 by Senator Lou DiPalma.
Senate Bill 20 would repeal Article 20 of the 2013 Rhode Island State Budget which created the East Bay Infrastructure and authorized the transfer of the Sakonnet and Jamestown Bridges to the Rhode Island Turnpike and Bridge Authority.
Senate Bill 242 proposed alternative legislation to create a bridge maintenance trust fund and alternative funding proposals instead of a toll on the Sakonnet River Bridge.
There was plenty of testimony about how the proposed toll on the Sakonnet River Bridge would negatively affect individuals, small businesses, and the area economy.
Senate President Teresa Paiva-Weed attended the hearings as well and challenged the folks who gave testimony on how to maintain the four bridges to Aquidneck Island without having a toll increase on the Pell Bridge.
A number of anti-toll advocates met with her on January 15th of this year to discuss this very topic. They shared information on how the proposed toll on the Sakonnet River Bridge would have many negative economic impacts in the East Bay area. She expressed her concern about the possibility of an increase on the toll on the Pell Bridge if a toll did not go on the Sakonnet River Bridge. Her concern is real and she must protect her constituents.
One of the anti-toll advocates went as far to suggest a solution without any toll on the Pell Bridge. It sounds far-fetched, but it is within the realm of possibilities.
Based on figures provided by RIDOT and RITBA, the four bridges to Aquidneck Island would require funding of about $38 million a year each year for the next ten years. This would include enough funds for bridge maintenance, debt service and setting aside funds for future capital improvements.
The Rhode Island State Budget is roughly $8 billion dollars. One half of one percent of this figure is $40 million dollars. Is there a way to find $38 million dollars a year within an $8 billion dollar annual state budget? There may be.
One way would be to consider incorporating private sector business best practices into the state budgeting and money management practices. The ISO standards come to mind.
The State could examine the way the U.S. Army responded to sizable budget cuts in the early 1990's as a result of the "peace dividend" after the Berlin Wall came down in 1989. The U.S. Army implemented two programs – the Army Community of Excellence (ACOE) program and Total Quality Management (TQM) to reduce costs and operate with reduced budgets. They implemented these programs with success and responded to budget cuts greater than five percent.
Another possibility is to incorporate practices similar to the Inspector General system in the U.S. Army. The U.S. Army Inspectors General are charged with looking at systemic problems and recommending solutions to fix these problems. Some of the areas that the Inspectors General investigate is systemic spending problems and looking at areas where there is fraud, waste and abuse.
A fourth possibility is to have a dialog with UPS – "the Logistics People." UPS developed internal programs to become more efficient and more profitable. This program was successful and so much so, they added it as an adjunct business and have offered their methodologies to any other business that wants to save time and money. Why not give them a try? At least have a discussion with them.
It certainly seems possible that implementation of any of these four ideas could save the State one half of one percent of the State Budget. If this happens, then the State could identify $38 million dollars a year to dedicate to RIDOT and RITBA.
Then they would be able to maintain the four bridges, take care of debt service, set aside funds for future capital improvements and do it without a toll on the Pell Bridge.
John Weisley
10:38 pm on Friday, February 15, 2013
If there wasn't a toll, how would all the employees at the RI Bridge Authority get paid??
Portsmouth Business Association
7:39 am on Saturday, February 16, 2013
Good thought. If RITBA stays as is to maintain the four bridges, they would still be there. Toll collectors could be re-trained. There would arguably be more jobs in Newport if you believe removal of the Pell toll would have a measurable positive effect.
John Weisley
8:39 am on Saturday, February 16, 2013
There would be more jobs and more revenue for the businesses in Newport if there were no tolls. Tolls and high parking costs are a major deterrent that prevent many Southern New Englanders from making more day trips to Newport. The hotel tax and the unreasonable rates charged by local hotels deters day tripers from being overnight and weekend long guests.
Regardless.. Non public sector jobs in Newport don't offer (1) pensions (2) high salaries/hourly wages (3) plentiful vacation time (4) guaranteed job security for life (5) 8-5 hours (6) comprehensive health care. The jobs at RIBTA do offer these benefits.
Look at the ratio btw maintenance costs spent each year vs. administrative costs spent by RITBA. RITBA is run like a private college with an unlimited budget. They have even embarked on a new capital building projects program. Have you seen their $4 mil headquarters???
Portsmouth Business Association
8:48 am on Saturday, February 16, 2013
John: We are aware of those numbers and more. The info is posted on various links on their website. In our strategy sessions, we felt that this operation could use a good, independent forensic audit. And perhaps audits on the amounts they are getting quoted for repair work. Also, that is why we are suggesting some ideas to incorporate business best practices into the mix to reduce unnecessary spending.
John H Hedley
10:03 am on Saturday, February 16, 2013
Untl you prove there's a problem- using published, audited raw data from unbiased sources- there's no point in proposing a solution. Your stance is based on data that either self-generated, generated using unpublished unverified multipliers, or self/survey reported. Blaming the conseqences of several generations of island wide mismanagement and folly on tolls is just a pipe dream unless you can draw an irrefutable line from A (tolls) to B (bad business). You operate on an island- if you can't see that has additional costs and disadvantages to operating on the MAINland then you aren't willing to accept consequences for whatever advantages keep you here.
John H Hedley
10:12 pm on Sunday, February 17, 2013
@ John Weisley
Don't work for anybody but myself. I pay my own way and I don't look to others to foot my bills or build special roads for me. What I do is irrelvant to the intrinsic problems raised by my post regarding the anti-toll coalition-of-the-intitled. Either debate me or be quiet, but don't be a coward and resort to ad hominems- they are the ultimate act of captitulation without honor.
Stanley Martin
10:35 am on Saturday, February 16, 2013
Start the tolls ASAP. If they can GUARANTEE no increase on Pell bridge, then and if then will I support the cause. Until that moment, Jim L and his cheapskates can help with the bills. All their complaining about losing the workers and tourists that come over the sakonnet bridge. Do they know that many more come over the Pell bridge. PAY UP PORTSMOUTH/TIVERTON
Dan D
1:22 pm on Saturday, February 16, 2013
well, here is the thing: we won't pay. I will never drive to newport again. (And I go about once a week and spend roughly $25-30 each trip). I will also never drive to Portsmouth, or Bristol again. I wont drive through on my way to South County again, because the toll means it is now cheaper for me to go over the top, which means I wont stop for a coffee in Middletown or gas. It also means I will go to the Dartmouth christmas tree Shop instead of Middletown, and I will no longer go to Batik Garden chinese buffet, but rather the Fall River or Dartmouth one. And I will never go to the IHOP again either It also means I will completely stop giving a darn at all what happens on the island, all because Newport people didnt support no tolls on out 1/4 mile long bridge. so, if you do not mind losing my roughly $3000 per year of business on the island, sure, support the Sakonnet tolls.
Stanley Martin
9:04 pm on Saturday, February 16, 2013
Wow big spender Dan... Ihop, Xmas tree shops, batik garden.. You hit all three and only spend $2.15... Hahaha We not miss your money...
Dan D
8:06 pm on Sunday, February 17, 2013
fine by me, ask those businesses if they will miss it. Maybe you can afford lobster pancakes every day and $8 round trip on the tolls, but I am not rolling in dough. And ask people from Fall River which way they will head. Dartmouth, or Middletown? Middle town is a few miles closer and a little bit nicer. But $8 rough trip nicer? no, sorry to say, but no. Belittle it all you want, but if you want my business and many others business on the island, you would do well to support the no toll initiative. I really love that you think that $3k per year in business is equal to two bucks. You must be an economics professor, right?
John H Hedley
10:30 pm on Sunday, February 17, 2013
Dan can't do math. Lets figure out- based on Providence-New Bedford statistical area census data what it would cost him. Using the following:.29 cents per mile of depreciation, gasoline at 3.75 (lowest it will be this year) in a vehicle getting 20 MPG and figuring he will add an extra 20 miles and 30 minutes at the speed limit (good luck with that one on I-195) and his time is worth 17 bucks/hour the total addtional cost would be... 5.80 + 3.75 + 8.50 = $18.50 in addtional costs PER TRIP ONE WAY! Thats $37 once a week x 40 weeks = fourteen hundred dollars a year wasted to make a point. How bout you give me half, Dan, and I kick you in the pants twice and we'll call it even? I know there are a lot of dumb people in this world but this takes the cake.
8:04 am on Monday, February 18, 2013
When are men going to start acting like men?? You sound like 2 year olds!!! Who cares whose math is right or wrong. Who cares that you think 2.15 isn't worth it. Imagine EVERY person spending $3000 all of a sudden, STOPPING! Do you think that will make a difference?? Instead of bickering, try joining forces and figure something out that will work.
John H Hedley
11:39 pm on Monday, February 18, 2013
@ cherie
If you depend on that 3K you need to have your business where the 3K is, on the mainland. There is a solution- tolls- for maintaining bridges that benefit a select few- and please drop the sales tax issue- if Aquidneck island had mature industry wages they'd dwarf the sales tax from tourism. This state doesn'd need another gosh darn 10 dollar an hour service industry job. There are tolls to get to the poconnos, delware water gap, all the the hudson valley including lake champlain, down east maine, the eastern cheasepeake, virginia beach, cape may, hilton head.... what makes Aquidneck Island so damn special that it shouldn't have tolls too?
Jim L
11:58 am on Saturday, February 16, 2013
Looks like you might be working for the DOT instead of the RITBA Stanley you left middletown and 1/2 of newport, plenty of folks from upstate and workers from Ma in your rant
1:23 pm on Saturday, February 16, 2013
Can anyon explain to me where all the gas tax goes? I thought the $0.32 cents a gallon we pay was supposed to go to upkeep of roads and bridges. Where is the money?
Portsmouth Business Association
2:29 pm on Saturday, February 16, 2013
Tom: Bankrate.com shows 51.4 cents per gallon in RI. 18.4 cents Federal and 33 cents state. http://www.bankrate.com/finance/taxes/gas-taxes-by-state.aspx
Go to this link for the state breakdown: http://www.dot.state.ri.us/documents/tolling/SRB_December_2012_Workshops_RIDOT.pdf page 6 has the best table of info.
Of the state 33 cents, RIDOT gets 19.75 cents. The rest goes to RIPTA, Garvee, DHS and underground storage.
2:54 pm on Saturday, February 16, 2013
So if there's a million people in RI, conservatively 1/3 of them drive, that's 330,000 cars, conservatively using 5 gallons of gas a week; my math says that's at least 28 million a year into the state coffers. This of course does NOT include all the other taxes that support the State. I dont know that we are efficiently using our tax dollars. Does that surprise anyone?
2:57 pm on Saturday, February 16, 2013
Sorry, I didnt open the link. Apparently I was being way to conservative. The actual ammount of collected gas tax is almost $92 million. Now I really know this state cant manage its money.
John Coccio
12:55 pm on Sunday, February 17, 2013
Guys, I think there are a couple of ideas that may work in lieu of tolls. First idea, which has been bantied around nationally, Would be to replace the gas tax with a mileage tax. I think if you dropped it to 5 cpg from the 33 cpg, and charged people say 1.5 cents per mile based on about 2/3 rds of the driving in state, you would make up revenue being lost by higher mileage cars. (NOTE!!!! In the next 12 yrs, the average fleet mileage will DOUBLE, thereby cutting the gas tax collected IN HALF) Next would be to dedicate more of that revenue to the DOT, as opposed to other depts.
Secondly, I think we need to stop borrowing money for road repairs. IIRC, almost HALF of the DOT's budget is eaten up by bond payments.
LAstly, as far as the states' obsolete and deficient bridges, we could embark on a program like Colorado does. Impose an extra fee on our registrations to pay for their replacement/refurbishment. Colorado identified over 200 bad bridges, instituted a fee structure, annd has currently replaced about half of them, WITHOUT incurring ANY debt for the future.
4:17 pm on Saturday, February 16, 2013
I agree that there is plenty of waste and best practices should be pursued; but that will not be instant nor is there any guarantee that $38M of savings will be realized. However, the entire state should share in the burden. Increase the fee for inspection stickers and registration fees could be a solution.
Concerned Resident
4:26 pm on Saturday, February 16, 2013
Guessing that while you don't want a toll on the Sakonnet Bridge, you're ok with the toll remaining on the Newport Bridge????
Guessing you're ok with people paying a toll on the Newport Bridge AND pay an increase in inspection fees????
4:37 pm on Saturday, February 16, 2013
Increase the fee for inspection stickers and registration fees could be a solution? How about we do what's really necessary and stop all the State and Municipal entitlements e.g. State Judges retiring with 100% pay yet not working 20 years, State Troopers and Local Police allowed to retire at 20 years, Firefighters retiring with 100% disability, yet somehow they manage to make it to the gym every day. This is the kind of madness that drives the taxpayer nuts. The reason we have some of the highest taxes in the country is simply because we allow it to happen. We might as well throw another tax on the Sakonnet Bridge, it's all we know how to do. Madness.
Still Broke
9:05 pm on Sunday, February 17, 2013
Concerned Resident... Before there was a Newport Bridge, you went up through Tiverton and Providence or paid to take the ferry to cross the East Passage. On the other hand, there has always been a way to get from Tiverton to Portsmouth at no cost. The Newport Bridge is over 2 miles long. The Sakonnet River bridge is less than 1/2 mile. The Newport Bridge is a major connector. The Sakonnet River Bridge is a local community link. You really can't compare the two.
However, if there is an increase in inspection or registration fees, the Newport toll should be eliminated too.
Dan D
9:19 pm on Sunday, February 17, 2013
many articles have state officials saying what a great job RIBTA has done with the Newport bridge. Frankly, I am terrified to drive over it in GOOD weather. That is how great a job they have done. A 2 mile long bridge that hasnt been paved in 20 years. the Sakonnet bridge was left to rot by the state and had to be replaced. And now they want to toll a bridge, barely over a quarter mile long and give it to the people that have done such a great job on the newport bridge. Yep, good idea.
Stanley Martin
9:11 pm on Saturday, February 16, 2013
How many schmucks were on the vans that went to providence this week. From the picture it looked like 6 people were there. According to Dan, you guys from tiverton and Portsmouth are the cheapest people around. You'll pay $2.00 for all you can eat pancakes, but not $1.66 to get there and back... Unreal..
Joe Sousa
4:51 am on Sunday, February 17, 2013
At least they make sense Stan. A fool and his money are soon parted.
John Romano
7:32 am on Sunday, February 17, 2013
A big 'thank you' to the public sector unions and all the Democrats they control, for this horrendous mess we affectionately call a 'state'. Get rid of unions and the this State will have the money it need to run efficiently and not put a toll on the Sakonnet Bridge. Need proof that Unions are the cause of our mess??
look no further.
12:13 pm on Sunday, February 17, 2013
The only problem with your argument is that social program spending is way bigger that union wages. Read a State Budget sometime.
9:36 pm on Sunday, February 17, 2013
The more social program spending - the more union jobs.
John H Hedley
11:53 pm on Sunday, February 17, 2013
This isn't a liberal or conservative issue (well maybe on a few esoteric points conservatives- really ones not GOP neo-cons would have a position based on ideology) or a partisan issue. This is about people who live and have livelihoods ON AN ISLAND, who want it for free. That's just plain wrong any way you slice it. What's more it's an entitlement that no other island with even remotely similar GDP enjoys on the whole of the eastern seaboard. What makes A.I. so special that it shouldn't have to pay it's own way in world? Keep in mind that I live and work on the island so let's keep the ad hominems to something relevant.
Dan D
12:25 am on Monday, February 18, 2013
pay it's own way? like with taxes? Like with the fact that 1/3 of teh GDP of the entire state comes from Newport County. yes, the gas tax gets spent hardly at all in it. The Sakonnet bridge was largely paid for with federal funds. The state hasnt paved 118 in about 20 years, locals call it "offroading" because it is so bad. Basically, the entire county is completely ignored.
and "no other island"? you mean, like Staten Island, or Long island? no tolls on those bridges. and in fact, it is ILLEGAL to toll all roads off an island, which is why the only one they want to toll is the one that you basically cannot get anywhere but the maze of Bristol and Barrington town roads. And do you just liek to ignore the fact that tiveron and Little Compton are not on any islands, yet, if you toll the Sakonnet Bridge, there is not one single way for Tiverton and LC residents to move around in state without either paying a toll or driving through Fall River, Mass. How about we make it so Woonsocket residents cannot get out of town without either paying a toll or driving through Mass? Would that be ok with you?
1:41 am on Monday, February 18, 2013
Dan D, you are spot on. But you are thinking logically. The problem is you live in RI where logic is a rare commodity. You need to start thinking realistically. Realistically, in RI, there is no more money, regardless of where all the GDP comes from. Therefore, A.I. residents will be squeezed for more taxes disguised as a toll. Until this State reels in entitlements, the taxpayer will continue to make up the difference with fees, tolls, taxes, permits, licenses, etc. We can no longer pay to fix our infrastructure because we must pay all the entitlements. We are broke. Welcome to RI. Now be a good boy, reach into your wallet and give the State some more money. It needs it more than you do.
Robert E
2:20 pm on Monday, February 18, 2013
Dan D you are right in all aspects except "it is ILLEGAL to toll all roads off an island" that is an urban myth there are no laws both Federal or State that prohibit tolling all roads on or off an island. That has been stated time and again but it is not true. We need to be vigilant of this because if this toll does go through and more people devert to the Mt Hope that will be tolled next. Don't forget up until 1969 the Jamestown bridge had a toll and that was the only bridge on of off of Conanicut Island.
John H Hedley
8:48 am on Tuesday, February 19, 2013
@ Dan D
Let's see how many inaccuracies there were in that last post:
Newport County is NOT repsonsible for 1/3 of RI's GDP, that's 14 Billion dollars. That's works out to a per capital GDP of 170K or, for comparison, 68K more than the wealthiest nation on earth, Quatar.
There are tolls on every bridge on Staten Island. Some as high as 14 dollars. As a point of fact the only deep channel bridges on the east coast that don't have tolls are in Jacksonville and Charleston. Sanibel Island has a $6 toll one way, the major north-south and east-west access to the poconnos and Delaware Water Gap have tolls, the tourist route into Hilton Head has a toll, nearly every way into the Eastern Shore has tolls as does access to down east Maine and the Jersey Shore. So, what makes Aquidneck Island so damn special? Every tourist destination on the east coast from Virgina Beach northwards has tolls. Why? Because tourism's tax revenue is offset by it's crappy wages and standard of living.
There is no law, anywhere that says a island must have a free bridge.
I am getting sick and tired of the shirll cries ands whines of the substantial population of RI who exhibit childlike imaturity and entitlement. But the lies and false propaganda surrounding this toll is shocking even by my already low estimation of the local populace.You are the poster child of why this is the single most disfunctional place in which I have ever resided.
Stanley Martin
12:28 pm on Sunday, February 17, 2013
Nice work John bashing unions isn't part of this article... Another uninformed individual... Wah wah wah unions...
1:14 pm on Sunday, February 17, 2013
Stanley, you can't dismiss his comment completely. I don't think there's any arguing that all the entitlements this State pays out (retirements, medical, social programs) is the very reason we have no money to fix our infrastructure. We are one of the highest taxed States in the nation, yet we are broke. How? The only way to "Imagine No Toll on the Pell Bridge" is to first get a handle on all of the excessive entitlements in this State, many of which go to unions. "Imagine lower taxes, and No Toll on the Pell Bridge"
9:45 pm on Sunday, February 17, 2013
The new Jamestown bridge was built with funds that were earmarked for the EastBay. $185 million stolen from the East Bay.
That bridge has already needed major repairs despite being almost new.
Why is that being foisted onto the backs of people who commute back and forth over the Sakonnet?
If you are going to toll the brand new Sakkonnet toll all 4 bridges strictly relative to the actual costs to maintain THAT bridge. The Sakonnet toll can be $0 for many years. The Pell toll would be the most to cross followed by the Jamestown and then the Mt Hope - however when the 70 year old Mt Hope has only one lane because the work mysteriously can only be done during the day in the summer - every summer the toll will be temporarily stopped till its a 2 lane bridge again.
9:46 pm on Sunday, February 17, 2013
For that matter toll all 600+ bridges that exist in RI.
Concerned Resident
8:02 am on Monday, February 18, 2013
Amazing that people to be affected can use any rational to protest putting a toll on the Sakonnet Bridge while caring less about tolls on the Pell bridge.
Some of these same use logic that is beyond belief again showing that people only care about themselves.
What happens when a Newport resident travels to Warwick??
As far as mentioning unions, does any recall the decision to eliminate tolls on the Mt Hope bridge as for among other it was costing more for union workers to collect the tolls than they took in? Does any recall how the union was up in arms for eliminating these positions strongly suggesting that the state raise the toll to cover the cost of union employees collecting tolls? Grow up people and understand that times have changed and I ALREADY pay my share IN crossing the Newport bridge daily AND I DO NOT WANT TO PAY ADDITIONAL FOR MY CAR INSPECTION TO ALLOW YOU TO CROSS A BRIDGE AT NO CHARGE.
Time for RI to do the right thing putting tolls on the Sakonnet bridge AND for people to understand that it is for the good of the state!
11:14 am on Monday, February 18, 2013
Yes and toll the Jamestown bridge also because that isn't free either but people seem to think it is.
The Pell Bridge was built with RIBTA Bonds. They have always owned the Pell.
Joe Sousa
8:22 am on Monday, February 18, 2013
Tell the RITBA to give the MT Hope bridge back to the State . Then use the Pell Bridge toll money for the Pelll Bridge. The RITBA should have gave it back the day it was paid for. That was back in the 70's . All it takes is a vote to make things right. Too Bad they made the wrong decisions keeping it.
Just Another Taxpayer
11:57 am on Monday, February 18, 2013
The Pell Bridge(Newport) bonds were paid off in 1999, thirty years after the bridge opened.
Joe Sousa
8:31 am on Monday, February 18, 2013
How much money could we save if all bridges were under DOT. $$$$$$$$
Rhode Island Turnpike and Bridge Authority
P.O. Box 437
Jamestown, RI 02835
Executive Director Buddy Croft (401) 423-0800
CFO Nancy E. Parrillo (401) 423-0800
Director of Operations Marianne Hillier (401) 423-0803
Director of Engineering Peter M. Janaros P.E. (401) 423-0800
Assistant to the Executive Director and Director of Engineering Jo-Ann Head (401) 423-1903
Interim Chief of Maintenance James Romano (401) 423-1909
John Coccio
1:25 pm on Monday, February 18, 2013
Ummmm........NONE!!! Joe, you seem to forget that the Pell bridge is NOW as old as the OLD Jamestown bridge was when it closed. Yep, lasted a grand total of 43 yrs thanks to the DOT. Sakonnet???? 59 yrs. Was deemed structually deficient OVER A DECADE AGO!!! Again, thanks to the DOT. PAwtucket River Bridge.......lasted what???? 50 years??? Replaced. Providence Viaduct is 49 yrs old......It too is DONE!!! TRASH!!! All thanks to the DOT.
Pell bridge??? 43 yrs old and expected to last 100. Mt hope bridge is 84 yrs old and still going strong (although, at 2 lanes, I would say it is obsolete) ALL THANKS TO THE RIBTA..
Dan D
1:39 pm on Monday, February 18, 2013
John: the only bridge under the RIBTA is the Pell bridge. and you expect that to last to 100? that bridge is as terrifying as the old Jamestown bridge was. It is practically gravel at this point. but they have a shiny new speedpass booth.
Joe Sousa
2:04 pm on Monday, February 18, 2013
John Coccio , Don't blame DOT for the condition of our roads and bridges. The previous Governors and Legislators diverted funds that should have gone to DOT. Your argument is flawed from the start.
John Coccio
2:29 pm on Monday, February 18, 2013
Dan, curently RIBTA is charged with both the Pell and Mt.Hope bridges. According to the Director, they are on a 100 yr life cycle. They at least take the toll revenues and inspect and fix the bridges. Joe, because funds are diverted, as well as the fact that half their budget goes to paying off bonds, they don't inspect or repair until it's too late. Having said that, I want to eliminate ALL the tolls. There is no need for them.
Dan D
3:03 pm on Monday, February 18, 2013
all tolls should be eliminated.
But, whats the point of keeping teh bridge standing if you cant drive over it because it will ruin your car?
11:17 am on Monday, February 18, 2013
"One of the clearest examples of duplication in state government is the fact that we have two highway departments: the Kansas Department of Transportation, and the Kansas Turnpike Authority.
"It is time that we realize the efficiencies to be gained by placing these two operations under the same umbrella. We don't need two highway departments in Kansas. One is enough," said Brownback.
Turnpikes that have been absorbed into the state DOT include Florida, New Hampshire, Delaware, Massachusetts, Texas and North Carolina.
Crystal Ball
12:06 pm on Monday, February 18, 2013
David A. Darlington had no experience or expertise in managing the Turnpike Authority. He is a political HACK and was friends with Gov. Almond. Time to merge this agency into DOT and save $$$$$$.
Former Ports resident
12:28 pm on Monday, February 18, 2013
Here's an idea - rather than having tolls on any bridge, why not sell the naming rights to each bridge like they do stadiums. Get rid of the Pell Bridge and sell the naming rights to Cardi's Furniture. Sell all the others too to the highest bidders. You could even do local roads and any other spot you want. Someone is always willing to pay for advertising
12:42 pm on Monday, February 18, 2013
Naming rights would bring in some money but not enough.
12:47 pm on Monday, February 18, 2013
You're not going to stop them from putting tolls on the bridges by saying hey don't put tolls on these bridges.
You have to use their own logic against them. Tell them to put tolls on all the bridges in the state because that is the ultimate extension of 'everyone paying their own way'. Anything other than that is clearly prejudiced against this part of the state.
2:38 pm on Monday, February 18, 2013
Watching the hearing on TV I could not believe that many folks from the Island Park section were crying about the possible loss of all those Mass. cars that come to use the RI beaches every summer ( FOR FREE ) as many bring their own food and drink. And the man who owns a German Restaurant in Bristol who may lose the clients he has in Marion, Ma. There were many others who have already set the toll at $4 and refuse to think otherwise or even as low as $.50 like many roadways in the south are now charging.
These people really want the entire state to subsidize their businesses with an increase in the inspection fee and let all those Mass. folks in for free. I hope the rest of the state are calling their reps and Senators to make these bills fail.
Dan D
3:07 pm on Monday, February 18, 2013
so, none of those people from Mass (or Tiverton and Little Compton) spend a penny in Newport county? That is your argument? Well, i promise this. If they toll the Sakonnet bridge, I will, as a RI resident, forever spend my money in Mass. you will lose the gas taxes collected, the sales taxes collected, and on and on and on. What point would I have to visit RI businesses ever again? why would I go to the markets in Portsmouth instead of Fall River or New Bedford? Im not spending extra money to do a normal shopping. Im not going to Pay an extra $2, $4, $8 whatever to go buy a book at Barnes and Noble, or to the Best Buy, Stop and Shop, Mexican restaurant or whatever simply because I am now TAXED to move around inside my own state with no other avenues around it.
Concerned Resident
4:21 pm on Monday, February 18, 2013
@ Dan D.......there's reasons that you shop on the island so stop the drama "queen".
Renee Cwiek
4:45 pm on Monday, February 18, 2013
Sorry, I agree with Dan. The only reason I had to shop in RI is that I enjoyed going there instead of to Fall River or Dartmouth. The only way I will pay the toll to go over the bridge is to bring my children to the dentist. I may even look for a new dentist for them.
I guess that makes me a drama "queen" too?
Dan D
7:19 pm on Monday, February 18, 2013
of course, Renee, this person would not be saying this if they were tolling the only road to and from the next town over in their area, with the only avoidance option being a 25 mile hike through another state.
Stanley Martin
7:45 am on Tuesday, February 19, 2013
Please stop with the garbage... "I may even look for a new dentist for them". 83 cents has got your panties in a bunch.. If you can't pay 83 cents for a trip to the dentist I'm sure you don't pay for the dentist at all... I'm sure the government picks up the tab. Stop whining people...
Your wrong about the toll "in our area". We already pay for you freeloaders to cross the bridge. It's time you shared in the fun... FREE LOADERS FROM PORTMOUTH AND TIVERTON..
Renee Cwiek
7:48 am on Tuesday, February 19, 2013
Hey Stan...I never said I CAN'T. I said I WON'T. Do you need me to explain the difference to you? As for the rest of your post...meh....just shows what kind of person you are.
Former Ports resident
4:33 pm on Monday, February 18, 2013
I say put a toll on for this reason - so we can show the state that they will lose money. I will also stop going to Portsmouth unless I absolutely have to, then I am using the Mt Hope. I am sick of the bitching back and forth. Let the state do whatever they want as they will anyways, and I will do what I have to by avoiding the tolls. I have yet to go over the Newport Bridge - I refuse to call it the Pell - since the toll went to $4. I refuse to get a transponder until they give them away for free. I alone will not make a bit of difference, but if there are thousands like me we will.
Tiverton Dad
5:06 pm on Monday, February 18, 2013
There are hundreds of bridges in Rhode Island. The Sakonnet River Bridge is a fight in a battle that could end up in backyards across the state if the tolls are allowed to stand. What's to stop the RITBA from raising tolls on the Pell Bridge whenever they (or the governor) decides the state needs more revenue? What's to stop this or another governor from expanding RITBA's power to include other bridges across the state? This isn't just about Tiverton and Portsmouth. It's about finding a sustainable way of funding bridge and road repairs throughout Rhode Island. Tolls are an easy "solution" for the governor. My thanks to all of the people who are working to make tolling the bridge harder.
Jim L
7:11 pm on Monday, February 18, 2013
If the DOT hadn't put up a early cut oft date and held these hearing in Jan I beleive that many More thousands of names would have surfaced on Petitions, I still get calls asking for pickup and delivery. If this effort fails then i think the state will have failed the voters, even now with ways being talked about to stop local tolls on the Pell bridge folks who use it are still complaining, Is the RITBA union that strong? Is the DOT not able to handle this job? Does the Ga think sucking income tax and sales tax money out of Newport County will save business climate in this state? It's way past time for the citizens to speak up, sue and get the Curt Shilling money Put our gas tax and reg fees where they belong, on the roads and bridges
Joe Sousa
5:43 pm on Monday, February 18, 2013
So far our Congressional Delegation has done a bang up job evading this issue . Guess you get what you vote for .
Jim L
6:57 pm on Monday, February 18, 2013
If Tolls come in Joe THAT point should be remembered at the next election , state and local level to
8:25 pm on Monday, February 18, 2013
The only 2 bridges to get on and off the Cape (Cod) are fully maintained by the Army Corps of Engineers - out of everyone's pockets.
The view that 'everyone has to pay their own way needs to be pushed to absurdity for these morons to see the point. 600+ bridges in the State - 600+ tolls.
Tiny Central Falls gets enough state aid to build a new Sakonnet bridge every 4 years. Pay their own way?
Providence gets $230 million and climbing rapidly every year. Pay their own way?
Bristol and Warren are losing $9 million a year in State school aid. Its being phased out $900k a year till $9 million a year is lost. $900k, $1.8 million, $2.7 million etc
8:35 pm on Monday, February 18, 2013
So remember bridges must pay their own way but deadbeat communities can suck up state aid like their is no tomorrow.
I don't believe any East Bay community is getting more State school aid except Barrington.
So the State knows how to pull money out of this area but its a one way street. East and West Main roads are a disgrace.
Robert E
1:32 am on Tuesday, February 19, 2013
What makes anyone think the toll money will go to maintain the Sakonnet bridge. RI has a long tradition of taking money raised for one thing and using it for another. How do you think RIDOT was defunded in the first place. Once the GA sees the money being raised they won't be able to keep their hands off it. A perfect example is the College Bound Fund. Parents are investing their money in the fund so that their kids can go to college and the state is using that money to fund RIPTA. Next time you see one of the RIPTA rider ads look at the end where it says it was paid for by the College Bound Fund. That fund will be just like the pentions when the time comes there will be no money there. Maybe they can use the toll money to replace the money they are spending out of the College Bound Fund.
Stanley Martin
7:49 am on Tuesday, February 19, 2013
It's funny how many people are saying that they are going to go around through Fall River to avoid the toll. Not very good with money I guess. Spend $5 in gas and 15 minutes extra to avoid a 83. toll. You people aren't that bright I gather...
Dan D
2:01 pm on Tuesday, February 19, 2013
no, we are saying we will not bother with the island at all. When I want to go to SK, for example, it is 42 miles through the island and over teh bridges and takes an hour and 10 minutes. when I go over the top it is 62 miles and takes an hour and 10 minutes. with just the Pell toll, I save a whopping 50 cents each way by going over the island. Add the Sak toll and now i am losing 30 cents. and over the top is a better ride. I do not have to drive over incredibly neglected state roads (138 and 114) because Portsmouth and Middletown roads have been ignore by the state for decades. Im not going to go onto the island at all. People are not saying they are going to drive through fall river and then barrington and bristol to cross the mt hope, they are saying they will never set foot in portsmouth or on the island again.
2:30 pm on Tuesday, February 19, 2013
That all depends on you destination and the time of day. What you say is not universally true time wise though gas wise it may be. Though since time is money the gas isn't the only thing that counts.
Bristol, Warren and Barrington are traffic nightmares due in great part to the $185 million stolen from the East Bay to pay for the new Jamestown bridge.
3:54 pm on Tuesday, February 19, 2013
Assuming no traffic.
Portsmouth to Providence is 28.7 miles 33 minutes through Fall River.
Over the Mt Hope its 22.8 miles, 39 minutes.
Jim L
8:12 am on Tuesday, February 19, 2013
Okay we got over 38,000, voters that think tolls are an economic death , and Then we have Stanley Martin and maybe a handful of others who are trying to save their RITBA jobs, How do you know the toll would be .83 cents Stanley You do remember the first time that you crossed the Newport bridge, YOU paid a toll and YOU knew it, The RITBA was suppose to end in 1999, didn't did it?Why because your little section of RI didn't have the voice to stop it and now that ways are being found to possible rid that bridge of tolls YOUR CRYING, Yup that makes perfect sence to no one!
Renee Cwiek
8:19 am on Tuesday, February 19, 2013
OH! He works for RITBA? That explains a lot. Thanks Jim.
Jim L
9:41 am on Tuesday, February 19, 2013
John Hedly, t Every tourist place from Virgina on down has a toll ? But, Tiverton, Little Compton Portsmouth and Middletown are not tourist destinations . They are home to folks who WORK for a living,employed by the goverment, or self employed in business 's that depend on locals or tourist or both. The Pell was built with tourist's in mind, Nobody ever paid the toll on the Jamestown bridge and then paid to take the ferry to Newport., The bridge was built for 2 things ,1 connect Newport to Qounsett,2 attract TOURISTS to Newport by building a shortcut to Cape Cod, It is not the fault of Newport County that the RITBA like the DOT has failed in their job, NOR is it the problem of ALL the residents of the county to bail out the entire state by killing one of the best things about RI, YOU in your short sighted vision think this is about .83 centss, It's about the economics of over 75,000. votersf voters have the right to appeal an tax or fee imposed on just a portion of the voters and not the voters as a whole,!, Tthe people of Newport county as mostly a whole, and a majority have protested this in a way that goes directly to the heart of our government, and as voters will continue to fight this yoke of hidden tax increases and job losses untill every appeal is heard and I believe will use the ballot box for any political person of local towns that failed to do all they could to help us a DONE DEAL? I THINK NOT!!
John H Hedley
1:08 am on Wednesday, February 20, 2013
There is no data to support the toll as killing business- in fact the predictions of doom in the wake of the toll increases four years ago on the Pell not only NEVER materialized, Newport county's sales tax revenues beat the national GDP by 2.5 points. You want to work on an island- then pay up or get a job on the mainland. Stop being a cry baby.
Stanley Martin
4:35 pm on Tuesday, February 19, 2013
I guarantee I have nothing to do with the RITBA... I just want you cheapskates to pay your share...
Renee Cwiek
4:45 pm on Tuesday, February 19, 2013
You're so pleasant. I bet you just bring a smile to everyone's face everywhere you go! I hope you have a lovely afternoon.
John H Hedley
1:19 am on Wednesday, February 20, 2013
@Robert E
And your share of taxes to RIDOT allowed TWO bridges to go to seed 20-30 years earlier than planned. Every other state with the kind of cantilevered bridge that failed in Minneapolis at least maintained the bolts and pins such that they could modify them in a cost effective manner. But not RI. We have to tear both of them down and start from scratch- who does that? Dumb people and the dumb taxpayers who foot the bill.
Meanwhile RIBTA has kept one of the most poorly designed suspension bridges in North America running despite design flaws, poor climate (same as the Sakonnet) ,and an annual gross tonnage that is DOUBLE the original design estimate and the fact that beholden to some of the dumbest dumb people in New England. From my research it has never flunked an independent, federal or state inspection. The same can be said of the NEW Jamestown bridge- replaced after RIDOT let the old one go to seed 15 years too early- and, for twenty years, the Mt. Hope bridge- none of which have ever had lower weight restrictions put in place because of poor maintenence.
Stanley Martin
4:42 pm on Tuesday, February 19, 2013
How simple is it... I pay everyday when I travel over the bridge. It's going to double if thy don't toll the Sak bridge. So I really don't care that your going to go elsewhere. If you can't see my point your blind. Claiming I work for the RITBA is funny, just because I think it's fair that you skaters pay for your trip. It's gonna pass and I can't wait till it does..
5:43 pm on Tuesday, February 19, 2013
Do you complain that the Jamestown doesn't have a toll? It should because everyone should pay their own way.
Robert E
6:42 pm on Tuesday, February 19, 2013
If you don't like paying a toll do something about it but don't bash us that are trying to do something. You feel we should pay our fair share but you don't want to pay your fair share the reason your tolll would go up if they don't toll the Sakonnet is because it is costing more to maintain the bridge you use. None of your toll money is going tword the Sakonnet but if they put a toll on the Sakonnet we will be subsidizing your bridge. Just because you are willing to be screwed by the state does not mean we have to stand for it. If you don't want to stand up to the state and do somethig about the toll on the Newport bridge don't complain to us.
Former Ports resident
6:16 pm on Tuesday, February 19, 2013
Sure you would Stan. If you're going to act like an ass then everyone should treat you like one. You're just complaining because you have to commute over the Newport bridge and have to pay a toll. You have no problem saying you don't care about a Jamestown bridge toll, but then you whine that you don't want an increase on Newport. Well you know what, too bad. Let them raise the toll in Newport so you can then know how it feels, and if you don't like it move to the other side of the bridge
Concerned Resident
6:42 pm on Tuesday, February 19, 2013
FPR - There's something wrong with you it you think that any and all should pay additional for the likes of you to cross a bridge for zippo......sounds like a union type comment. Bet you don't have an issue with the toll on the Pell Bridge.
The countdown has begun as toll's need to and will be charged to cross the Sakonnet Bridge and guess what - life will go on AND / OR as you stated, move to the other sidew of the bridge.
Former Ports resident
7:58 pm on Tuesday, February 19, 2013
CR what I am saying is that if you put a toll on the Sak then I just won't cross it. I will limit my trips to Ports just like I have basically eliminated going to Newport. When I do have to go into Ports I will use the Mt Hope. It's a shorter distance for me anyways. I am not going to suffer but the businesses will along with traffic in Bristol if a bunch of people like me follow suit. As far as riding for free, this bridge has never been tolled. The state is looking for another money grab. Let this happen and they will start and toll every road once they pave them. Then it will be Rte 95, then 195 and so on. After a while people will just move from RI or not come here to begin with. The state got greedy with the sales tax so what do most people do? They go to Mass. I won't buy liquor in this state anymore. Why pay tax when I don't have to. The state can do what they want but I use my wallet to hit back
Concerned Resident
8:22 am on Wednesday, February 20, 2013
FPR – you don't have to cross the Sakonnet Bridge to get to Ports? You will limit your trips to ports if when they put a toll on the Sak?? The free Mt Hope Bridge offers you a shorter distance to Ports anyways??? You should really take a look in the mirror asking who you are really trying to hurt and who you are going to hurt when something takes place that won't affect you. What will you do when the debate shifts to Mt Hope Bridge tolls for bridge repairs?? Its attitudes such as yours that contributes a business unfriendly state!!!!!!
Get ready: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JgeNhF5znZY
Dan D
11:19 am on Wednesday, February 20, 2013
CR: people like me, in Tiverton and Little Compton will no longer be able to even get to another part of the state without paying a toll. Portsmouth and middle town will lose a ton of business from us, and the people in surrounding Mass areas. I spend thousands of dollars per year on the island which will evaporate if a toll goes in. So, is the RIBTA collecting $50 or $80 a year from me worth $3-4000 in lost business? I guarantee the sales tax I pay is far greater than whatever the tolls will garner. so, put up a toll, people wont pay it like they think AND they lose our sales taxes to Mass. Yep, smart move.
Former Ports resident
12:15 pm on Wednesday, February 20, 2013
CR - Who am I trying to hurt? The question is why is the state hurting me? If the state wants to toll this it is them that is creating a business unfriendly state. Just as businesses are forced off the island, or have to raise prices to make up for their lost revenue, I also am forced to make choices. My choice is to go where it's cheaper and keep more money in my wallet. See I can't be like the state and just demand more money from my boss when I go over my budget, I have to make cuts to survive. The state can do what they want, but realize the citizens can also. That's why people and businesses are leaving in droves.
Concerned Resident
12:48 pm on Wednesday, February 20, 2013
DD, as you wrote "people like me" is the true crux of the issue as except for the obvious me me me, your dialog that doesn't make sense.
Based on your numbers:
You make 50 round trips per year = to less than 1 trip / week = $83 MAX / yr cost.
You currently shop eat etc on the island to the tune of upwards of $4000 / yr - do tell why you currently spend this money on the island.....and don't give me that I'm supporting local business crap.
What do Newport residents do when they want to shop at the malls, etc?? Guessing that's ok with you BECAUSE it's not you.
Oh yea, you seem to be short sighted in saying that you can get to another part of the state without paying a toll....untrue!
In the end the tolls are coming and after a cooling off period the world...at least your world will return to a sense of normalcy. You can put your big boy pants on now or later.
Concerned Resident
1:00 pm on Wednesday, February 20, 2013
FPR, so let's review shall we -
the state is going to do something that has you up in arms
the state is going to do something that doesn't affect you but somehow hurts you
the state is going to force you into a position by doing something that doesn't affect you
you're going to punish businesses that are not responsible for changes THAT does not affect you
your logic is extremely flawed........you must be a union employee
Former Ports resident
3:11 pm on Wednesday, February 20, 2013
CR let me set the record straight. Yes the state is doing something that has me up in arms - they are talking more of my money. The state is doing something that doesn't affect me but hurts me - Wrong it does affect me as I regularly travel over the Sak bridge. The state is going to force me into a position - Not 100% true. I am choosing my right to avoid these tolls by instead going thru Bristol. A little more of an inconvenience because of the time spent on Metacom, but a shorter distance drive to me. I'd rather do this than give one nickle for the bridge toll. I am going to punish businesses - wrong again. I am affected and will use my right to go elsewhere. Businesses will suffer not because of me "punishing" them, but because I will change my decisions on where I eat and shop based on what the state is doing. They are the ones punishing the businesses. I just have to find a way to get the most for my money and paying this toll is not a necessity. Just like I do not shop at Providence Place mall because they charge to park there, I will go to another mall where it is free. Just like I buy liquor in Mass because there is no sales tax. Like I said the state can do what they want, and I strongly oppose this, but I will not be a sheep and keep handing over my money. Fortunately I am not a prisoner to this toll like the folks in Little Compton or parts of Tiverton as they have no choice.
Joe Sousa
5:55 pm on Tuesday, February 19, 2013
Stan where were you when they built that huge facility in James town ? Why do you protest now ? You must be some nut who likes playing Devils Advocate .
East side
6:34 pm on Tuesday, February 19, 2013
We need a toll so that the bridges are maintained. Then people can come and go to the island. Common sense economics along with this toll is coming weather people like it or not.
Dan D
11:15 am on Wednesday, February 20, 2013
Tolling would hurt the economy of the island. Economically, it make NO sense. the bridge will not be maintained anyway. Just like the Pell bridge isnt maintained, but they will build better toll booths instead of paving it!
3:11 pm on Wednesday, February 20, 2013
Perhaps the toll would keep people from LEAVING the island and the effect would counter the loss of people no longer coming to the island. Any data to support that theory?
6:57 am on Wednesday, February 20, 2013
Senate Bill 242 does go a long way to relieve the tension of the toll proposal on the Sakonnet Bridge. However, I wish to bring to light that by raising the inspection fee to $59 dollars, there is something that needs to be disclosed. Of that $59, $19 dollars goes to the inspection station, $20 goes to the program manager and $20 goes to the bridge maintenance fund. The program manager retains no more than $4 dollars and remits no less than $16 to the state general fund. This is where I have the problem
6:58 am on Wednesday, February 20, 2013
Dept of Human Services
Dept. of Health
Dept. of Environmental Management
Dept. of Public Safety
Dept. of Attorney General
Dept. of Administration
Office of Management and Budget
The Legislature
Dept. of Elderly Affairs
Dept. of Children Youth and Families
Dept. of Treasury
Dept. of Business Regulation
Dept. lof Judiciary
Dept. of Elementary and Secondary Education
Office of the Govenor
Dept. of Labor and Training
and the DOT Bridge Maintenance Fund.
Other than the last item, WHY ARE ALL OF THESE DEPARTMENTS AND AGENCIES RECEIVING MONEY FROM AN AUTOMOBILE INSPECTION?? WHY AREN'T THESE FUNDS BEING USED TO FIX THE INFRASTRUCTURE IN THIS STATE?
The Dept. of Transportation Director Lewis stated that close to 1/3 of his budget goes toward servicing the debt of all of those bonds the voters approved. Why not given him the additional $16 dollars from each inspection to do his job?
7:23 am on Wednesday, February 20, 2013
If you applied the math, $16 times 400,000 vehicles would yield $6.4 Million dollars! Wouldn't it make more sense to apply those funds to fixing the roads instead of wasting it on 73 state agencies and departments? How much benefit would each group receive?
Joe Sousa
7:56 am on Wednesday, February 20, 2013
Gov, the answer is the people we send to Smith Hill. For to many years we sent legislators who allowed the gas tax to be spent in other areas. The people sleep and the State goes to hell.
Stanley Martin
9:31 am on Wednesday, February 20, 2013
Joe, what huge facility... I love how all the sakonnett people are getting defensive. Yes I pay on the Newport bridge. I'LL PUT IT IN LARGE PRINT. I ALREADY PAY, YOU JOE, DAN, JIM DON'T. THAT ISN'T FAIR. Explain how it's fair that I pay double (if No toll on sakonnett) to cross Newport bridge when you pay nothing. Let me guess you can't..
Joe Sousa
10:08 am on Wednesday, February 20, 2013
10:08 am on Wednesday, February 20, 2013
The Sakonnet is under the jurisdiction of DOT . The Newport is under the RITBA. Tell the RITBA not to except the extra responsibility , and give the Mt Hope back to the State. I don't have to be defensive since I'm right . The new RITBA building was not needed or voted on by the Tax Payers or Toll payers. Out of control spending by an unelected board.
Dan D
11:13 am on Wednesday, February 20, 2013
I already pay on the Pell too. But I wont pay double. I also wont pay to move around inside my own county! Now we have to pay just to go to the county seat on county business? no, and no. Gotta go to the DMV and I gotta pay a toll? no. that is just wrong. What part of this do you not understand. a toll on the Sakonnet bridge is TOLLING US OFF FROM THE ENTIRE STATE.
Stanley Martin
10:31 am on Wednesday, February 20, 2013
Stil didn't answer why I should pay double when you pay nothing?
Joe Sousa
10:45 am on Wednesday, February 20, 2013
Because you allowed the RITBA to keep the Mt. Hope bridge when they should have turned it back to the State. You are paying because the statuesque was good enough for you and others that vote for duplication and wasteful spending. Learn the facts before you spout off.
Jim L
1:23 pm on Wednesday, February 20, 2013
The Best answer to You Mr Martin is that Newprt County has about 75,000 residents 38,00 thousand signed copies of the anti toll petitions, ANd there are stil signed peitiions out there, this means that over 1/2 the people of Newport county are AGAINST TOLLS and the folks we sent up state now know just what a bad idea this is! Feel free to start a pro toll petition any time, but your out numbered from the start ! If this fails Myself and many, many others will make sure this issue shows up in every election for years to come, All the people that can plainly see the ill effects of this idea will remember the loss of jobs and income and will vote to send others into office since the current group will have failed us. It is not the fault of the ENTIRE population of Newpprt county that the GA tried to slide a high hard one past us, but it also their job to listen to the voters when they speak
Concerned Resident
1:42 pm on Wednesday, February 20, 2013
JL, although I haven't seen your petition, I'm sure that there is at least one petition plan detailing with how maintenance costs are to be paid WITHOUT affecting those that do not use the sakonnet bridge......especially those that already pay to cross the newport bridge. Are you aware of the petition by those objecting to any increased taxes and or service fees to pay for a bridge that the majority could care less about? I suggest you do the math to see how many will sign the petition. Just like death and taxes the tolls are coming to the sakonnet bridge.....get used to it.
Dan D
3:37 pm on Wednesday, February 20, 2013
get used to the significant loss in sales and gas tax income the state used to get once the tolls go in. anyone who lives on the island will be affected by this. Expect housing prices to suffer and businesses to close. and millions and million of lost revenue. The state will rake in about a million bucks a year and lose $50 million in tax revenue. Even a moron could see that.
Stanley Martin
1:54 pm on Wednesday, February 20, 2013
Jim it will fail.. Get out your wallets. Or just look on the ground for the whopping .83 cents.. CAN'T WAIT FOR THE TOLLS!!!!!!
Jim L
2:21 pm on Wednesday, February 20, 2013
Stan yoi chose to pay a toll it's your choice, you took a job that requires toll, why because that why the bridge was built To CREAT jobs, and bring folks spending money to Newport Folls use that bridge for to reasons to go to jobs they choe to accept on the other side of it, and to go to NEWPORT, not Middletown or POrtsmouth, tiverto nor little Compton and Adamsville, Inother words it was built to benefit NEWPORT, so suck it up stan, sit in your chair at Am Vets with a few other bridge workers and get ready because your free ride is over, but maybe you can work for the Pprtsmouh DOT, why you could even Maintan the new bridge instead of cutting the grass at ri bridge central
Jim L
2:11 pm on Wednesday, February 20, 2013
Dear Stan and CC as i look out my window and see the lng tanker headed towards Fall r, oh wait thats right LNG got stopped by citizens (IE VOTERS) in Fall River gee who wuld have thought!!!!
Concerned Resident
3:03 pm on Wednesday, February 20, 2013
JL, I appreciate you understanding that citizens (IE VOTERS) do make a difference and since the majority of RI residents DO NOT want to pay higher taxes and or fee's for you to cross the Sakonnet Bridge for zippo you will accept the inevitable of tolls.
Dan D
3:33 pm on Wednesday, February 20, 2013
so, when does teh majority of teh state freak out about supporting the failed cities in Central Falls, Pawtucket and Coventry? Why am I paying for rt 102 in Foster to be repaved when no one travels it? oh, the logic of people that want to make others pay the bills. All we want is a fair shake, which we never ever get over here. 1/3 yes a full THIRD of the economy of RI is generated by Newport County. So, why are we paying for the rest of the state?
Concerned Resident
3:49 pm on Wednesday, February 20, 2013
DD, just like with the Sakonnet Bridge maintenance except for the Central Falls, Pawtucket and Coventry no one wants to support them. You seem to be reaching again talking about other area roads WHILE forgetting about the ones you drive on. You argument would have carried more weight if you would have protested all tolls.....but you didn't as it was only what was affecting you. Guess what, a few more hours and the tolls will be a day closer to reality.
Joe Sousa
2:28 pm on Wednesday, February 20, 2013
Jim it has became clear Stan is the town fool and hasn't a leg to stand on .
Dan D
3:38 pm on Wednesday, February 20, 2013
I got a great idea. Lets band together with Portsmouth and rebuild Stonebridge.
Robert E
4:51 pm on Wednesday, February 20, 2013
Dan you can't rebuild the Stonebridge that would be illegal the RITBA had the state build a non-compete clause into the law.
Rhode Island Turnpike and Bridge Authority
§ 24-12-38 Covenant against competition. – The state covenants and agrees with the holders of any bonds or obligations of the authority that the state will not authorize or permit the construction, operation, and maintenance of any additional facility for the transportation of passenger vehicles by any person or body other than the authority within a distance of ten (10) miles in either direction from any project financed by the authority under the provisions of this chapter.
Stanley Martin
4:41 pm on Wednesday, February 20, 2013
The town fool? Because I want you to share the cost... Look in the mirror joe, there's the fool. I guarantee I have no relationship to bridge workers or RITBA. I'm a fool because you should share. Sounds like you know your going to loose so your resorting to this low level.. Nice work Joe....
Dan D
7:07 pm on Wednesday, February 20, 2013
so, Stan, are you willing to give up the excess funds your town gets to equalize it and pay your fair share? we get next to nothing from teh millions in taxes we pay. Maybe we should just secede back to Mass. at least we wouldnt have to pay a toll in order to travel within our own state (which we would be the only place in the country that exists.)
Dan D
10:39 pm on Wednesday, February 20, 2013
you keep saying that, but I keep saying the same thing. I wont. at all. RI will lose 10% of it's GDP simply by putting this toll in.
4:54 am on Thursday, February 21, 2013
i have to travel over sakonet every day because i work in fall river. cant find a job around here. (i live in portsmouth) i make mininum wage and my husband is on disability. i dont get any help from anyone cuz supposely i make too much money. thats a joke. it would be a great burden on my very small budget i mange on now. the bridge is the shortest way for me to travel back and forth. will it be cheaper for residents to cross over the bridge? i think that would be fair.between me and my husband we cross that bridge at least 20 or more time a week!! is this fair to us???? i just can not afford an extra 80 dollars or more a week.
Concerned Resident
8:11 am on Thursday, February 21, 2013
rita, sorry to hear about your overall situation. With that being said perhaps you can help me to understand your numbers. You said you and your husband cross that bridge at least 20 or more times a week.....I'm assuming that the 20 means 10 or more round trips a week? While I'm not sure why any would cross that bridge that many times in a week I'm not sure how you arrive at 80 dollars a week. Is it fair for people crossing the Pell bridge? Would it be fair for residents that cannot afford additional taxes and or fees to pay additional for others to cross a bridge at no charge? There are always options, just ask dan d.
6:20 pm on Saturday, February 23, 2013
maybe im doing my math wrong. on a regular weekly basis just to go to work i go to fall river then back to portsmouth. on sat i pick up my granddaughter in new bedford bring her to portsmouth then back to her house and i come back home. thats not counting doctor appts my husband has in fall river. i was told it was going to be $4.oo each way. i dont know if this is correct or not. the other day someone else told me portsmouth residents could pay one yearly fee and cross over whenever. is this true????
Stanley Martin
8:54 am on Thursday, February 21, 2013
For residents it will be .83 cents.... Rita that's $16.60 a week for you. Not $80. Your situation sounds bad. I already pay $8.30 as week to cross pell. Why should I have to pay double if the don't put a toll on sakonett ( pell will double), while you pay nothing? Dan, Jim and Joe can't answer that question.
Dan D
9:38 am on Thursday, February 21, 2013
The Pell should not be tolled, that is teh whole point of this article. Get your head out of your you-know-what.
Jim L
8:59 am on Thursday, February 21, 2013
Concern , No there is not always an option, many, many people from Portsmouth,Middletown and Newport go to Doctors in Fall River It's the best and nearest heath care around, The ortho surgery guys have rehab places in Bristol, Midlletown, and Tiverton, Lindentree is part on Charlton hospital, The Heartcare and cancer care in Fall River is outstanding! Gemmie a figure on how many folk on the island go to Jamestown for ANY medical care So the GA (ie the state) is just fine with increasing heath care for a certain portion of it's citizens to fix a bridge that benefits the whole state? All of this has been pointed out before, the point being you just don't care, your just protecting YOUr job
Concerned Resident
9:37 am on Thursday, February 21, 2013
jiml, no options?? you seem to have all the answers except what you don't want to see. your postings show how truly short sighted you are WHILE looking after the proverbial number 1 me me me me me while looking for others to pay your way.
Jim L
9:11 am on Thursday, February 21, 2013
Stanley, perhaps if the tolls HAD been raised to $1.00 for you and $5.00 for out of state last year when it was called fo,r we wouldn't be listening to you whine, The pell bridge saw an increase of over 30,000 thosand cars last year I doubt they were all locals, That money is gone because it was never raised thanks to just 1 rep , just one, who happens to be head of the senate, It is not the fault of the rest of Newport county nor the rest of the state that a screwy deal for making millions of dollars was cooked up by the RITBA and a few folks. I could understand why the Senate head would not want to raise tols on some off her voters, but the whole process should have been open and above board, NOT RI politics as usual. I wonder just how far this would have got if some rep from east providence had tried to slap this on Newport county
Concerned Resident
9:42 am on Thursday, February 21, 2013
jiml, there you go again. guessing that NO out of state drivers use the sakonnet bridge AND it would be ok the raise the pell tolls to ensure that you can drive for zippo. guessing it's only people crossing the sakonnet bridge spent money on the island. oh yea and that same rep rightfully supports the toll on the sakonnet.
Just Another Taxpayer
9:16 am on Thursday, February 21, 2013
I am glad you didn't mention that the best chiropractors in RI are located on the island. I am sure you would agree Fake Jim L. By the way, there are no hospitals located in Jamestown. However, I am sure lobster vendors will not be impacted since it is such a specialized profession.
Jim L
9:49 am on Thursday, February 21, 2013
Dan D n Concerned, again where i live i wouldn't have to pay tolls Period! And if you have been paying attention there have been ways bought up that would remove tolls on the newport bridge, and even YOUR rep from Newport said she would support something like that, All you guys do on here is whine
Dan D
11:37 am on Thursday, February 21, 2013
Jim L, do you even read the comments? Try calling out the CORRECT people when you speak.
Stanley Martin
12:33 pm on Thursday, February 21, 2013
Let me get this straight you want the pell toll raised but don't want the sakonnett toll at all... I just laughed at how stupid you sound..
Dan D
1:02 pm on Thursday, February 21, 2013
no, the Pell toll should only be raised if you people who use it continue to push for a toll that cuts off tiverton from the rest of the state as punishment for your own stupidity. Otherwise, we want the Pell toll removed too. Did you not read anything? or so you just come on her to stir stuff up?
Stanley Martin
1:10 pm on Thursday, February 21, 2013
So free travel for everyone? Sounds great. I'm sure the company that's been painting the pell bridge for the last two years will do it for free next time... I'll give you clowns credit, you are dreamers...
Dan D
1:22 pm on Thursday, February 21, 2013
how is it free? we (the people of Newport County) pay millions each year in gas taxes without seeing a single penny sent to our infrastructure. the Sakonnet bridge was built with federal money. but, you want free travel, go into Providence and the $500 million i-way. Paid for by everyone in the state. including us. while, West Main Road is practically dirt at this point.
Jim L
1:26 pm on Thursday, February 21, 2013
Stanley , who just don't wanna hear it, but it is your job, there is more than one proposal that would END tolls on the Newport Bridge or lower ir much more 4 locals, THIS Your against that and WERE clowns would also can the RITBA and roll it and your job into the RI DOT, so the DOT will just take over doing the bids for bridge painting and fixing. the way they were suppose to in 1999. Your against that and we are clowns? whats wih the funny nose and those big shoes of yours then.
Stanley Martin
1:34 pm on Thursday, February 21, 2013
What job do I have? I don't work for RITBA or any other related company. I commute.
Stanley Martin
12:05 pm on Saturday, February 23, 2013
If you can prove that I work for RITBA or related company. I will wear a no toll sign at the bridge for the rest of my life. Give it up and pay like the rest of us commuters..
Joe Sousa
2:28 pm on Saturday, February 23, 2013
The RITBA has a test for employment . You have to be able to take a toll and, push the button . Way too hard for Stan. He's still trying to chew gum and walk. Woop's their he goes again .
Stanley Martin
5:33 pm on Saturday, February 23, 2013
Please joe.. Still looking for the idiot... You must not have mirrors in the house. What do you do for a living joe? Probably suck off my taxes...
Concerned Resident
6:40 pm on Saturday, February 23, 2013
js, no, here YOU go again....guessing you must be a jr high student!
Stanley Martin
8:28 pm on Saturday, February 23, 2013
CR, no need to worry about Joe. He doesn't realize that he is the one well behind in this whole argument. The tolls will happen, not soon enough for me. Joe can stay in Tiverton hanging with the old people...
Concerned Resident
8:18 am on Sunday, February 24, 2013
SM, good point and best of all, it appears the toll will be similar to border security keeping the likes of Joe off the island.
9:37 am on Sunday, February 24, 2013
Go easy on Joe....he has no credit and can't get a credit card so he has no FastPass.....that could be expensive soon !!!!!
Stanley Martin
11:10 am on Sunday, February 24, 2013
Dan's gonna have to go to fall river to IHOP for the $1.99 all you can eat pancakes.
Concerned Resident
11:37 am on Sunday, February 24, 2013
fall river ihop presents a problem for dan – now that he's resolved to tolls going on the sakonnet bridge his next protest involves having the state again raise the meal tax allowing him to eat at restaurants at no charge which I think will only apply in state
Robert E
12:46 pm on Sunday, February 24, 2013
fall river ihop presents a problem for everyone because there isn't one. The nerest ihop is in newport the next nerest is in new bedford. If you are trying to insualt someone at least get your facts streight or else you come off sounding like a fool.
Concerned Resident
4:15 pm on Sunday, February 24, 2013
bobbye, no not everyone just those that will refuse to cross the bridge and oh yea - doesn't appear that grammar and spelling is your strong point!
Renee Cwiek
5:01 pm on Sunday, February 24, 2013
Who cares how the guy spells and whether or not he uses correct grammar. Are you five?
Robert E
4:51 pm on Sunday, February 24, 2013
It's Bobby E not Bobbye and no spelling never was my strong point but thanks for pointing that out.
Joe Sousa
4:52 pm on Sunday, February 24, 2013
It's not hard to see the shill is posting with several names here . This page is closed. Concerned Resident Stanley Martin Jack. No not the Three Stooges ,it's all one idiot.
The Shill
4:56 pm on Sunday, February 24, 2013
No Joe The Shill only posts under The Shill please do not lump those other fools in with me. Thanks.
Robert Oliveira
10:46 pm on Sunday, February 24, 2013
Some of you have really lost all perspective.
Jim L
7:23 am on Monday, February 25, 2013
Robert . i agree nothing to be gained further by discussing this on here, either the GA will use their brains or Newport County will suffer and the reat of the state will follow, loss of jobs & loss of income tax & loss of sales tax will not be could for any other town in RI, If folks don't see that then they only have tunnel vision
Concerned Resident
8:10 am on Monday, February 25, 2013
jimmiel, talk about tunnel vision.........seems it's all about me me me me without regards to paying for upkeep on the new bridge. the majority can see the obvious in the few trying to get others to pay for your way. really how you forget to talk about the pell tolls. once again put your big boy pants on and realize that tolls are coming and it will not be the end of the world as the few would have others believe. once again, grow up.
Tom Horn
8:17 am on Monday, February 25, 2013
If there were no tolls how would the retired executives formerly of RITBA get their FAT Inflated checks and great heath care plan every month?
Robert Oliveira
9:26 am on Monday, February 25, 2013
Let's take these one at a time:
Jim L., excuse me for saying so, but that's a little bit of cart before the horse thinking. The Senate might act now but the House definitely won't and those signals are loud and clear. We have to go to Court first and then the House will act.
Concerned, while it's not the end of the world, it's going to cause a significant decrease in day drives, especially from Boston, and therefore a significant decrease in tax revenue. Yes, the bridge has to be paid for but we need to do it the smart way. This issue is not Left vs. right; it is new and smart versus old and dumb.
Tom, some folks are always going to cash in and you probably won't be one of them. We can even guarantee that without tolls.
Concerned Resident
12:23 pm on Monday, February 25, 2013
Let's take these one at a time:
Yes, the bridge has to be paid for but we need to do it the smart way........guessing a smart way including eliminating impacting you.
Once again another that feels a toll on the sakonnet is not right while letting pell tolls continue.
Still Broke
11:34 am on Monday, February 25, 2013
I work on the island but, I live off the island. When the weather is good, I go home after work, pick up my wife and head back to the island for dinner or drinks or other entertainment. If there is a toll, I will have no choice but to pay it to go to work and back. You can bet I won't come back to the island after work for dinner, or drinks or entertainment. I'm just not paying the toll twice a day. There are plenty of nice places in Bristol and Warren to eat and drink. Even a few in East Providence and Fall River.
Concerned Resident
12:32 pm on Monday, February 25, 2013
SB, so let all get this straight - for $1.66 you will not eat where you've been eating? be real as there's a reason that you eat on the island.
how about these past statements:
when gas hits $1.00 gallon I'll walk.
when ciggs hit $1.00 a pack I'll quit
when they charge $2.00 to cross the newport bridge - I won't
on on on on on .....bottom line is that people do what they want when they want so please quit with the scare tactics as you and I both know that most if not all will not let a toll stop any enjoyment.
oh yea and your another that seems to be ok with the pell toll
finally, suck it up because the tolls are coming.
Still Broke
2:39 pm on Monday, February 25, 2013
Concerned Resident... That is correct. I have 4 EZ Pass transponders from Mass. So, I would pay more than an extra $1.66. Where do you draw the line? I'm already going to have to pay a toll to go to work. That money has to come from somewhere so, my leisure money is less. With less leisure money, my choice is NOT spend it on tolls.
When gas hit $2.00, I sold my gas guzzler and bought a small fuel efficient car.
When Cigarettes hit $3.00, I quit smoking.
I don't normally cross the Newport Bridge but, my understanding that the ferry it replaced was not free either so, there has never been a free way to cross there.
Oil for my house has surpassed $3.90/gal. so I now have a wood burning stove. Yes, I paid $225 for a cord but, I have only had one oil delivery this year instead of the 3 that I had at this point last year.
I will suck it up and pay the tolls to get to work. However, that will leave me with somewhere between $33.20 (your instate rate) and $80.00 (my out of state EZ Pass) each month to spend on leisure. I will stay closer to home and, frankly, be able to afford to go out less often when the tolls get implemented.
Concerned Resident
4:17 pm on Monday, February 25, 2013
stibro, guessing you're saying that if the sakonnet had a toll all along all would be ok, wow. through your thriftiness in apparently owning 4 vehicles while deciding to pay the ever increasing price for gas and the soon to be sakonnet bridge out of state toll to get to work and for dinner or drinks or other entertainment is a little confusing to me but who am I to judge. In the end I will tell you in advance that I and many other RI residents' thank you in advance for paying a higher (out of state) toll ensuring that the bridge is well maintained for you to get to work and possible dinner or drinks or other entertainment.
Still Broke
9:14 am on Tuesday, February 26, 2013
CR... I have 4 transponders. Not 4 cars. One for me, one for my spouse, one for my child who travels the MassPike to get to a state college and one on my father's car. He lives near Boston and lost his pension after spending his entire career with a company that went bankrupt and out of business soon after he retired. The least I can do for him is pay for his transponder after all he did for me.
Please don't be confused. I can help my child and my father precisely because I AM thrifty.
Concerned Resident
10:55 am on Tuesday, February 26, 2013
stilbro, Ok so you have 4 transponders covering your household of 3 vehicles and 1 for your dad. I'm not confused and really none of my business who you assist. although I commend you for helping out your dad I'm not sure why you feel the need to tell his unfortunate story on this blog. what is my business is when people want and expect me to pay their way. also, I'm guessing that you are also protesting the tolls on the mass pike and whatever tolls your dad is accessing – paying or is tolls ok in mass and not ri???
dialog such as this is great as it exposes much including the real intent of the few……..I hope you're reading what you write.
Robert Oliveira
12:27 pm on Monday, February 25, 2013
Just to keep the record correct:
If the Article V lawsuit prevails, both tolls disappear until further action by the General Assembly.
The hope would be at that time, they would come up with something else. (with some manipulation thrown in)
Concerned Resident
12:43 pm on Monday, February 25, 2013
roberto, it is a dream to think that the pell toll will disappear. the major point is where will the funds be generated to pay for either or.....the current painting of the pell is $100M. While I would like to see no tolls on either one has to be a realist - other than that you are looking at another tax.....not that taxes are an issue in this state.
Jim L
12:33 pm on Monday, February 25, 2013
I know lets do this the fair way tools on the saconett the mt hope, the pell/ newport AND the JAMESTOWN bridge all based on how much maitaince each bridge needs I mean they are all bridges, Why should Folks in Jamestown get a FREE RIDE I mean they even PAID a toll before so sign them up
Why this is a better arguement than were just like marths vineyard
Concerned Resident
1:26 pm on Monday, February 25, 2013
jimmy, please be real, once again I will make the point that your world was good with the pell toll while you were crossing the sakonnet for zippo
Robert Oliveira
1:08 pm on Monday, February 25, 2013
That's not what the law says.
You seem stuck with the idea that the taxes we have now will continue.
Imagine for a moment, thinks to a legal technicality that i originally opposed, that this becomes the catalyst forcing us to re-examine our entire tax structure.
Concerned Resident
1:35 pm on Monday, February 25, 2013
roberto, while I would always agree that it good to re-examine our entire tax structure you seem to be stuck with the idea that taxes we now have will change "soon". so let's give you that concept that taxes will soon change after re-examination - with that being said lets be safe placing tolls on the sakonnet until the changes take place "then the state can remove all tolls when changes take effect.
Robert Oliveira
4:41 pm on Monday, February 25, 2013
If there were a way to have that as a compromise, I'm not saying I would sign on but it would be something to think about.
However, you can't get there from here. The tolls have to go before the discussion or there will be no discussion.
This is why all these bills are a waste of time since they're dead in the House. Even if one survived, it will get vetoed and based on the number of reps from the cities, there is no chance to override that veto.
(In this scenario, the entire House Leadership takes off for a week leaving no instructions and finds out when they return that one of the bills wormed through Committee.)


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