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How to avoid warts
After acne, warts are the most common skin complaint children have – it's estimated that one school child in 20 has at least one wart or more.
What are warts?
Warts are non-cancerous skin growths which are caused by the human papillomavirus (HPV). The HPV causes the protein in the top layer of the skin to grow too fast, which results in warts on the skin.
While HPV is responsible for a variety of warts including genital warts and filiform warts, the most common warts found in children are:
- Common warts: They are skin coloured, rough to the touch, and usually grow around the nails, on fingers or the back of hands, and are often described as looking like tiny cauliflowers.
- Flat warts: Also known as juvenile warts because they are almost exclusively found on children and teenagers, these warts are smooth, skin-coloured and very small – about the size of a pinhead – and often appear in clusters on the face and the backs of the hands.
- Plantar warts: These warts are usually found on the sole of the foot and can be quite painful to live with. Starting out as a small black puncture mark, plantar warts grow inwards which makes them painful to walk on.
How warts are spread
The HPV, or wart virus, is spread by direct contact – and being a virus, it prefers moist surfaces where it can breed. All it takes is for someone with warts to shed the virus onto a damp surface – public swimming pool change rooms, gym locker rooms, spas and bathrooms are notorious places to pick up a wart – which is then picked up on the skin. If you have a cut or crack on your skin, the virus can enter and begin to grow.
It is also possible to spread the infection to other parts of your own body. By scratching or picking at warts, you can transmit the virus on your hands.
How to avoid warts
Because HPV thrives in moist environments, the key to avoiding picking up the virus is to keep contact with wet surfaces to a minimum and to keep your skin dry.
To avoid warts, encourage your kids to:
- Wear footwear in public places that have wet environments
- Cover broken skin to protect against contact with the virus
- Resist the urge to pick your warts – and be sure to shave around warts to avoid nicking the growth
- Wash your hands well if you do touch your warts (or other people's warts)
- Avoid biting your nails – the broken skin around your cuticles can make you particularly vulnerable to a nasty wart variety called periungual, that is hard to get rid of
- Keep feet dry – if you get sweaty feet, try wearing open-toe shoes that will allow your feet to perspire without becoming moist. Perhaps also consider using medicated foot powder to keep them dry.
- Keep wet areas at home clean – if there are warts in the family home, consider wiping down surfaces in the bathroom with a disinfectant that will kill any lurking HPV.
Related skin condition articles
- Learn more about warts
- Common skin infections
- Get information on cold sores
- Eczema symptoms and treatments
- Find out about tinea
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Have you tried to rebuild initramfs already? (my post #18, last part)
Last edited by xaos52 (2012-03-19 16:27:41)
bootinfoscript - emacs primer - I ♥ #!
ok, i followed the update-initramfs instructions, the command completed without any problems....
sadly, the problem still exists though...
any more idea's ????
Cheers for your support....
Running out of ideas, yes.
Can you remember installing/upgrading packages before you ran into this problem?
If you are using apt-get, /var/log/apt/history would be interesting to see the last packages that were installed.
If you use aptitude, I suppose something similar exists?
What kernel are you running?
Post output of
uname -a
after chrooting into #!
Are you using the latest #! images (February 2012)? If not, is reinstalling #! from the latest images an option for you?
bootinfoscript - emacs primer - I ♥ #!
Here's the content of /var/log/apt/history.log
Start-Date: 2012-03-02 14:08:23
Commandline: apt-get install parted
Install: parted:i386 (2.3-8)
End-Date: 2012-03-02 14:08:53
whilst i agree parted (if i'd used it) could be the cause of many problems, i only installed it to run 1 command -
parted -l
I promise i've not run any other parted commands...
Here's my uname output....
Linux crunchbang 2.6.32-5-686 #1 SMP Mon Jan 16 16:04:25 UTC 2012 i686 GNU/Linux
I'd be happy to "upgrade" to the latest #! if it didn't mess up my old system and settings... you know what it's like when you've got everything just as you like it.... Is it possible to upgrade my "old" installation using the new ISO's ?
Thanks again,
Last edited by stevewalsh (2012-03-21 16:42:31)
I believe you.
And you can chroot to #! on disk, so everything still seems to be there.
Make a backup of your $HOME directory and of /etc to an external USB disk, so that you can restore your settings, and then install one of the latest #! ISO's (Feb 2012).
Make sure to install to the right partition, so that your DATA and DATA_ are not affected.
Good luck.
Edit: I am not saying you must re-install. If you want to debug the current situation even further, that is OK with me, and I will be glad to help.
Last edited by xaos52 (2012-03-21 15:11:24)
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I would like to recover the existing installation if possible, and I'd be very grateful for your continued support.
I accept that there must be a point where if all fails, I have no choice but to re-install... Feel free to tell me when you think we've reached that point !!!
So short of sticking the disk in the post to you, what else can we try ?
Oh there is still quite a lot we can do...
Since you get the error while the filesystem from initramfs is still mounted, lets start with a listing of what is in that initramfs.
To do that, you will have to boot from a live system, and chroot into #! on disk.
I suppose that will be no problem by now
In the chroot shell:
/usr/bin/lsinitramfs /boot/initrd.img-2.6.39-bpo.2-686-pae
if this produces no output, something is wrong. Let me know. Stop.
Normally there will be (quite a lot) of output, and I want to capture it, so you can post it on the forum.
run the command again, now as folows:
/usr/bin/lsinitramfs /boot/initrd.img-2.6.39-bpo.2-686-pae >/tmp/lsinitramfs.out
Get out of chroot: Ctrl+D
Copy the output file - which will now be in location /mnt/sda1/tmp/lsinitramfs.out - to a stick.
Publish the file on the forum.
If you have any questions do not hesitate to ask.
Last edited by xaos52 (2012-03-21 17:46:02)
bootinfoscript - emacs primer - I ♥ #!
I hope you had a good weekend.
I've put the output of the command onto the crunchbang pastebin - http://crunchbanglinux.org/pastebin/1549
Please let me know if you need more info.... (or if I'm using the pastebin thing incorrectly/for the wrong purpose etc...)
Hi Steve,
I had a good weekend, thanks.
Hope yours was good as well.
I have been going over the info you supplied (you are using the pastebin for what it is meant, no problem:) )
But there is a problem with the initrd image. I am almost sure that you were not properly chrooted when you rebuilt the initramfs.
So, this is what I want you to do:
1. boot from live CD and chroot into #! on disk, as per my tutorial
2. in the chroot environment, run
update-initramfs -u -k all
3. Get out of chroot environment.
4. check that the correct initrd image has been created:
ls -al /mnt/sda1/boot/initrd.img-2.6.39-bpo.2-686-pae
Check that the creation date/last modification date is today.
5. Try to reboot into #! on disk from the grub menu - so a normal boot into crunchbang.
Last edited by xaos52 (2012-03-26 16:25:37)
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I followed your tutorial about chroot http://crunchbanglinux.org/forums/topic … -via-grub/
I had 1 small problem with the instructions.... the final mount command in the instructions didn't use sudo, but as you can see below, it won't work otherwise.... i notice you have recently changed the instructions to reflect this ????
crunchbang@crunchbang:~$ TARGET=/mnt/sda1
crunchbang@crunchbang:~$ sudo mkdir -p $TARGET
crunchbang@crunchbang:~$ sudo mount /dev/sda1 $TARGET
crunchbang@crunchbang:~$ sudo mount --bin /dev $TARGET/dev
crunchbang@crunchbang:~$ sudo mount --bin /dev/pts $TARGET/dev/pts
crunchbang@crunchbang:~$ sudo mount --bin /proc $TARGET/proc
crunchbang@crunchbang:~$ mount --bin /sys $TARGET/sys
mount: only root can do that
crunchbang@crunchbang:~$ sudo mount --bin /sys $TARGET/sys
crunchbang@crunchbang:~$ sudo chroot $TARGET /bin/bash
root@crunchbang:/# update-initramfs -u -k all
update-initramfs: Generating /boot/initrd.img-2.6.39-bpo.2-686-pae
update-initramfs: Generating /boot/initrd.img-2.6.36-2.dmz.5-liquorix-686
update-initramfs: Generating /boot/initrd.img-2.6.32-5-686
root@crunchbang:/# exit
crunchbang@crunchbang:~$ ls -al /mnt/sda1/boot/initrd.img-2.6.39-bpo.2-686-pae
-rw-r--r-- 1 root root 15296860 Mar 26 17:30 /mnt/sda1/boot/initrd.img-2.6.39-bpo.2-686-pae
I tried to reboot but it failed with the same error....
so i have rebooted back into live environment to check the initramfs update took place...
crunchbang@crunchbang:~$ sudo mkdir /mnt/sda1
crunchbang@crunchbang:~$ sudo mount /dev/sda1 /mnt/sda1
crunchbang@crunchbang:~$ sudo chroot /mnt/sda1
root@crunchbang:/# ls -al /boot/initrd.img-2.6.39-bpo.2-686-pae
-rw-r--r-- 1 root root 15296860 Mar 26 17:30 /boot/initrd.img-2.6.39-bpo.2-686-pae
root@crunchbang:/# date
Wed Mar 28 13:17:14 BST 2012
As far as i can tell, the initramfs rebuild was done correctly on Monday, and as of today, is still the same one i rebuilt on Monday.... yet the problem still exists... pesky Linux....
Yes, I changed instructions for chroot recently. Noticed the missing sudo and added it.
I was almost certain this would solve it.
OK. We try something else:
When you have the GRUB menu displayed:
enter c
grub> set root=(hd0,1)
grub> linux /boot/vmlinuz-2.6.39-bpo.2-686-pae root=/dev/sda1 ro nomodeset vga=793
(you can press the Tab key after vmlinuz to use auto-completion)
grub> initrd /boot/initrd.img-2.6.39-bpo.2-686-pae
(again you can press Tab after initrd for auto-completion)
grub> boot
and touch wood...
Edit: There is something wrong with the size of your initrd: here are mine:
-rw-r--r-- 1 root root 8469948 Mar 27 15:18 initrd.img-2.6.32-5-486
-rw-r--r-- 1 root root 9069649 Mar 27 15:18 initrd.img-2.6.39-bpo.2-486
-rw-r--r-- 1 root root 9611392 Mar 27 15:17 initrd.img-3.2.0-0.bpo.1-686-pae
Much smaller than yours.
Could it be that your initrd is not a gzipped cpio archive?
Let me show the output of
file /mnt/sda1/boot/initrd.img-2.6.39-bpo.2-686-pae
Let me check where that is specified.
It is in /etc/initramfs/initramfs.conf
Please post output of
cat /mnt/sda1/etc/initramfs/initramfs.conf
Last edited by xaos52 (2012-03-28 14:51:15)
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well, before you edited your post, i followed the instructions and whaddya know - maybe it was the touching of wood - it booted up and i'm in the "old" OS....
There was 1 error when the gui started - XFCE power manager is not started, and something about HAL in relation to this XFCE error... i can do it again if you need to know more ???
I await further instructions :-)
Yes, please give the error messages.
And output of the commands I wanted to see after my 'Edit'.
Last edited by xaos52 (2012-03-28 14:54:12)
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ok, the error box which pops up says :
and the output from the commands :
user@crunchbang:~$ file /boot/initrd.img-2.6.39-bpo.2-686-pae
/boot/initrd.img-2.6.39-bpo.2-686-pae: gzip compressed data, from Unix, last modified: Mon Mar 26 17:30:37 2012
initramfs.conf (/etc/initramfs-tools on my "old" system !)
# initramfs.conf
# Configuration file for mkinitramfs(8). See initramfs.conf(5).
# Note that configuration options from this file can be overridden
# by config files in the /etc/initramfs-tools/conf.d directory.
# MODULES: [ most | netboot | dep | list ]
# most - Add most filesystem and all harddrive drivers.
# dep - Try and guess which modules to load.
# netboot - Add the base modules, network modules, but skip block devices.
# list - Only include modules from the 'additional modules' list
# BUSYBOX: [ y | n ]
# Use busybox if available.
# KEYMAP: [ y | n ]
# Load a keymap during the initramfs stage.
# COMPRESS: [ gzip | bzip2 | lzma | lzop | xz ]
# NFS Section of the config.
# BOOT: [ local | nfs ]
# local - Boot off of local media (harddrive, USB stick).
# nfs - Boot using an NFS drive as the root of the drive.
# Specify a specific network interface, like eth0
# Overridden by optional ip= bootarg
# NFSROOT: [ auto | HOST:MOUNT ]
Thanks again for your continued support :-)
Would you mind trying this: in stead of /dev/sda1 for root device, use UUID again, but without the splash:
When you have the GRUB menu displayed:
Position the cursor over the 2.6.39.bpo.2 entry
enter e
Use the arrow down key to go past the line that starts with 'linux'
Press the left arrow to go to the end of the linux line
Press backspace to remove the 'splash' boot param
Then press F10 or Ctrl+X to boot
and touch wood...
If this works, the 'splash' boot param is causing the problems, else it is the UUID thingy.
Will look into the hal problem when you can boot properly.
bootinfoscript - emacs primer - I ♥ #!
ok, I tried your instructions (which "worked") but used the UUID instead...
in other words, i did the command line in grub and changed the line :
grub> linux /boot/vmlinuz-2.6.39-bpo.2-686-pae root=/dev/sda1 ro nomodeset vga=793
grub> linux /boot/vmlinuz-2.6.39-bpo.2-686-pae root=UUID=728ae5bc-0457-4fa4-ae4d-e68731b2a43e ro nomodeset vga=793
All other lines were identical...
AND IT FAILED TO BOOT - /dev/disk/by-uuid/728..... does not exist
Then i tried your instructions for editing the grub entry
here's a pic of the grub entries for the 2.6.39.bpo.2 entry
I removed the splash entry and it still failed...
So i tried editing the grub entry again but instead of removing the splash entry i changed the linux line from root=UUID=728.... to root=/dev/sda1 and it booted up (even with the splash screen entry left in)
Looks like it doesn't like my UUID entry for the disk.... /dev/sda1 it does seem to like !!!!!
(I still got the HAL error though)
I hope this helps....
Cheers again, Steve
Last edited by stevewalsh (2012-03-30 11:27:32)
Hi Steve,
Yes. It is definitely the UUID method that is not working.
Now I am fairly certain that /dev/disk/by-uuid should be created dynamically by udev at startup. I suspect the error to be with the udev package.
If you have network access from the #! system on disk:
sudo apt-get update
sudo apt-get --reinstall install udev
sudo update-initramfs -u
and try to reboot normally from the grub menu.
If no internet access, do the same, except leave out the first command, and hope that the udev package is still in cache.
if no internet access, post output of
lspci -knn
We will try to restore network access first.
As to the hal problem: try starting hal from the command line. Publish any error messages you receive on the forum:
sudo /etc/init.d/hal start
Cheers, xaos
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ok, here's the result of the update/install command....
user@crunchbang:~$ sudo apt-get --reinstall install udev
Reading package lists... Done
Building dependency tree
Reading state information... Done
Some packages could not be installed. This may mean that you have
requested an impossible situation or if you are using the unstable
distribution that some required packages have not yet been created
or been moved out of Incoming.
The following information may help to resolve the situation:
The following packages have unmet dependencies:
libc6-dev : Breaks: gcc-4.4 (< 4.4.6-4) but 4.4.5-8 is to be installed
E: Broken packages
and the result of trying to start HAL manually....
user@crunchbang:~$ sudo /etc/init.d/hal start
[sudo] password for ajt:
sudo: /etc/init.d/hal: command not found
Post your apt sources please:
sudo cat /etc/apt/sources.list
sudo cat /etc/apt/preferences
Remove libc6-dev and try installing udev again
sudo apt-get remove libc6-dev -s
This is a simulated remove. Check that it does not remove packages that are essential for you.
If OK, do it for real:
sudo apt-get remove libc6-dev
sudo apt-get --reinstall install udev
Seems like hal has been removed?
sudo ls -al /etc/init.d | grep hal
Try to re-install hal:
sudo apt-get --reinstall install hal
Last edited by xaos52 (2012-03-30 14:22:08)
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user@crunchbang:~$ sudo cat /etc/apt/sources.list
## Compatible with Debian Squeeze, but use at your own risk.
deb [url]http://packages.crunchbanglinux.org/statler[/url] statler main
deb [url]http://ftp.uk.debian.org/debian/[/url] squeeze main contrib non-free
# deb-src [url]http://ftp.uk.debian.org/debian/[/url] squeeze main contrib non-free
deb [url]http://ftp.uk.debian.org/debian/[/url] testing main contrib non-free
deb [url]http://security.debian.org/[/url] squeeze/updates main
# deb-src [url]http://security.debian.org/[/url] squeeze/updates main
deb [url]http://backports.debian.org/debian-backports[/url] squeeze-backports main contrib non-free
## DEBIAN MULTIMEDIA inc. myth + mplayer
deb [url]http://debian-multimedia.fx-services.com/[/url] stable main
# deb-src [url]http://debian-multimedia.fx-services.com/[/url] stable main
deb [url]http://debian.yacy.net[/url] ./
user@crunchbang:~$ sudo cat /etc/apt/preferences
Package: *
Pin: release n=statler
Pin-Priority: 1001
Package: *
Pin: release n=squeeze
Pin-Priority: 100
I've removed libc6-dev and reinstalled udev (which triggered an update-initramfs)
I've also reinstalled hal (the ls command only found "halt" )
I'm afraid I don't know where hal went, nor what happened to udev....
I'm going to try to reboot again.... finger crossed....
edit : it failed with the same error - /dev/disk/by-uuid/728.... does not exist
I'm on annual leave for the whole of next week so won't have access to the PC with #! on it....
Please enjoy the time without my problem/s !!!!!
Thanks again for your support....
Last edited by stevewalsh (2012-03-30 16:10:37)
OK. Let me know when you are ready pick this up again.
Enjoy your leave.
No problem. Actually I enjoy solving problems like this.
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I'm back from the easter holidays... hope you had a good one...
So a small update...
Even though i have re-installed HAL (see previous/old post), I still get the error message...
Is this error correct though - I'm not using the Xfce desktop environment and the error box refers to the Xfce power manager...
So, how do we make the manual grub commands from one of your previous posts http://crunchbanglinux.org/forums/post/204127/#p204127 work all the time ?
or is that not practical and we need to find out why the UUID doesn't get found ?
Cheers, Steve
Hi Steve,
Welcome back.
All relaxed, I suppose, after the holidays, ready to tackle any problem that is thrown at you
No holidays for me, but I am retired, so I am very busy...
Yes, there could be an easy way to restore the normal boot procedure:
(1) boot into #!
(2) edit /etc/default/grub with your preferred editor:
Uncomment the entry containing GRUB_DISABLE_LINUX_UUID=true: remove the leading # so that it becomes:
# Uncomment if you don't want GRUB to pass "root=UUID=xxx" parameter to Linux
Save the file
(3) Run
sudo update-grub
Reboot and you should now be able to select #! from the grub menu, and boot into it.
Let me know if
(1) that works
(2) you feel like continuing to debug the UUID problem
Last edited by xaos52 (2012-04-12 14:03:23)
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It worked....
I'm happy to work through the UUID problem - Always willing to learn etc....
And if you have any ideas about the HAL error
Last edited by stevewalsh (2012-04-12 14:40:38)
#! uses openbox as window manager, but installs xfce-power-manager for its functionality.
sudo apt-get --reinstall install hal hal-info libhal-storage1 libhal1
and post the output of the install command.
Then reboot and let me know if you still get that message.
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2013 Goals: >2,000 miles, 50-miler and 2 marathons
Hey, I'd go out at 8:55-9:05 pace and see how you feel after 10 miles. You've put in some good work and may surprise yourself!
Eye of Sauron
I'd say "sure, and perhaps better".
With the big ol' caveat that it is March, the race is in October and it is all about 1) where you are now and 2) what you do in the next seven months.
I've seen people shave a whole lot more than 5 minutes with that kind of time. I've also seen people, well, not.
I have also been both of those two people at various points over the past 10 years :-)
Don't limit yourself to an artificial time... see where your training takes you.
And once again Mr. Wizard (aka: Stevie Ray) explains the internet.
Whoops. October?
Then, yeah, what he said.
Thanks! I've been that person, too. My first marathon I ran a 2:02:28 and the second, I ran a 3:54:48 with a PR of >7 minutes. Just wanted your valuable feedback, please and thank you.
My first marathon I ran a 2:02:28
"Way to make Borat look overdressed"
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"...and after that, Paula wouldn't talk to me anymore."
2013 goals: Kick some arse. Moreso than 2012.
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Your trend clearly shows you need to retire immediately -- earlier, in fact -- before that 3:54:48 result.
It's a 5k. It hurt like hell...then I tried to pick it up. The end.
Come on now.
It was wind aided.
My first marathon I ran a 2:02:28...
I quit, i'm never running again
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Is that a typo?
No. The world record holder is actually chillidogbeagle. How do you not know this?
Runners run.
Sorry. That's my fault. Sarcasm and general ass-ishness are hard to portray over the interwebz. If anything serious ever does come out of my mouth, you'll know it. Until then, take whatever I type with a grain of salt.
But I really don't know who the marathon record holder is. I'm guessing it's not actually anyone here at RA, right?
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> And any sane copy&paste implementation that supports "complex" types is > a simple text one at heart where the programs that want to support things > like pictures do that by passing the needed information on in the form of > text, and the complex data is just a temp file.
To clarify, "the needed information" is not the image data, but as you point out, a file path and other metadata, if needed.
So you won't get garbage, but something like "/tmp/stupidimagefile.png" (and perhaps the MIME type).
Does this addresses your point?
You must be joking
Posted Nov 6, 2010 20:48 UTC (Sat) by quotemstr (subscriber, #45331) [Link]
Posted Nov 6, 2010 21:12 UTC (Sat) by i3839 (guest, #31386) [Link]
Best would be a copy&paste system that only supports text, but because people want to copy other crap, you have to support other crap somehow anyway. So yes, you have to add a type to the copied data. But instead of going the way of madness and trying to add a type for every bloody type of data there is, just add two: Normal plain text, and the extended plain text. The second is the file path + metadata (if needed). And low and behold, your copy&paste system is done and finished.
If you want to add network transparency, just copy the tmp file over. Simple as that. The CP system stays the same no matter what data types come and go.
Now instead of picking at unmentioned details, could anyone of you please come with real problems instead?
And no, I haven't thought it thoroughly through. There's no need, as I said, it's trivial stuff, as long as you don't shoot yourself in the foot.
So much for edit buttons...
Posted Nov 6, 2010 21:25 UTC (Sat) by i3839 (guest, #31386) [Link]
Then again, it's probably good if programs paste the text for types they can't handle, so the user can open the file directly.
That makes me think of one thing PO8 might find non-trivial: How to copy and paste complex data types around in a program, while using the same keys for system wide copy&paste.
Either just export and import that bit to a file of the format that program prefers, or just check before pasting whether it's the data the program copied before or something new. Simple enough.
Some other potentially scarry non-trivial problem: What if a program exits? Again, no problem, because shared memory would be used, so it's persistent data.
Aha! You might say, but if you use tmp files for colpex types, won't you leak data and fill the disk with them? At worst, yes, but that's what FF and other are already doing. Besides that, as the copy & paste thing would be implemented as a library, after copying something new the old thing can be deleted.
And so on and on. As I said, it's trivial.
Posted Nov 6, 2010 21:36 UTC (Sat) by quotemstr (subscriber, #45331) [Link]
Furthermore, "just seeing a file path" is NOT an acceptable outcome from a user-interface point of view. Again, that's the kind of statement only a developer could make. You seem to imagine a world of "simple" programs that would just slurp up the clipboard contents and use them. What you really want is content negotiation. We already have that.
This line of argumentation is exactly what's wrong with the people who want to reinvent X. They look at the complexity of the existing system, imagine it can be reduced, but when they try, they either create something worse or cut features, most of which people actually use. It really smacks of hubris to suppose that we're smarter than people were 20 years ago, and that we can do a better job of solving the same problems.
X is not the problem. Copy and paste isn't the problem. This asinine buzz around replacing X pops up every five years or so (remember Berlin?), and it has the same outcome every time. It's like saying, "my web browser doesn't pass the ACID3 test --- so let's reinvent TCP!"
Posted Nov 6, 2010 22:11 UTC (Sat) by i3839 (guest, #31386) [Link]
> Furthermore, "just seeing a file path" is NOT an acceptable outcome from > a user-interface point of view. Again, that's the kind of statement only > a developer could make. You seem to imagine a world of "simple" programs > that would just slurp up the clipboard contents and use them.
Yes, I'm a computer programmer, and by your attitude I guess you're not.
May I assume any technical discussion goes over your head and you're too stupid to follow what I say? I hope not, because I don't. You on the other hand seem to attribute my spartan approach to computering (Fluxbox, xterms, Nedit/Vim and LaTeX for the rest) to the fact I'm a programmer, and brush away my taste and opinion away as "something only a developer would say".
Pasting data is by definition slurping clipboard content and using it.
Now back to the discussion at hand:
> Furthermore, "just seeing a file path" is NOT an acceptable outcome from > a user-interface point of view.
The alternative is that nothing would happen because the program didn't understand that format. So yes, I think it's a pretty acceptable outcome for something that can't work. And with my developers hat on, I'd say some outcome is better than nothing happening, because the latter is hard to debug and fix, while the first is plain and simple. For both users and developers. Users know what files are, developers know what's happening. But if you prefer the program can also not display anything, that doesn't change the CP system, though IMHO would be worse for the user experience.
As for your other ranting, I'm just saying that implementing a copy and paste system from scratch is technically trivial, no more and no less. It could be done in one day, maybe two. I just don't buy that copy & paste is hard stuff.
Posted Nov 6, 2010 22:22 UTC (Sat) by quotemstr (subscriber, #45331) [Link]
The alternative is that nothing would happen because the program didn't understand that format. So yes, I think it's a pretty acceptable outcome for something that can't work. And with my developers hat on, I'd say some outcome is better than nothing happening
Users have only the foggiest notion of what a file is. Hell, they conflate files with pictures on their desktop. They certainly don't know about paths: they know about sequences of clicks that bring up the right pictures. Asking them to deal with seeing "/tmp/asd5FAB34/image-jpeg.clipboard.tmp" when they meant to paste a hiking picture into an email is just an idea completely divorced from reality.
If you want to make a system purely for yourself and your ilk, fine. But don't go claim that implementing a system is trivial, then force users to wear the same hairshirt that you do.
Posted Nov 7, 2010 10:41 UTC (Sun) by i3839 (guest, #31386) [Link]
You keep missing the power of text: That I'd put in the filename doesn't mean you have to do that in your program too. Instead of /tmp/image.jpg you could put in "This program can't paste JPEG images!", or whatever the hell you like. That is IMHO a lot better than a stupid pop-up (I hate those). And if people see something they don't like, they can close their eyes, do ctrl+z and pretend nothing happened.
The fundamental problem of your "Sorry, but I don't know how to paste an image in this document" is that it's the program failing the paste that has to say it, while it doesn't know about the type that you tried pasting. So now it has to know that the type it can't handle is an image. And then you make the mistake of making the copy & paste system more complicated by adding a text description of the type, and adding all those "error" handling everywhere. Copy & paste is not worth that extra complexity, that's the way how you get bloated software.
Because no one can tell me what makes copy & paste hard, I'll do it myself: To enter copy & paste hell you have to want to copy from a complex type and paste it as another complex type, THAT is where the madness lies. And any sane copy & paste system will not try to solve that at all, because it can't, it's not the right place. So I'm not saying that copy & paste is always easy, I'm just saying that implementing a copy & paste system is easy. And 95% of the time hell is avoided, and the 5% that wants to deal with it can do it themselves without making the rest of the system more complicated. And the way to solve the complex to complex problem is to solve it on a case by case base, with programs agreeing how to do it per case. And the agreeing on pretty much means choosing an intermediate complex type, or agree on the ordering of provided types. And to do all that the list of types system is sufficient as far as I can tell. Make the interface extensible, just to be sure, and it's done.
The hard part of introducing a copy & paste system is to let people agree on its features and interface, because there are always people that think it should be made more complicated than warranted.
Copy and Paste
Posted Nov 7, 2010 15:23 UTC (Sun) by ccurtis (guest, #49713) [Link]
If an application builds a MIME message for each Cut/Copy operation, and receives a MIME message for each Paste, why does this not work?
The creator of the message can (in the case of a PDF reader, for example) present both text and pbm versions; the receiver of the message can take the text/plain part (if an xterm) or the image/pbm part (if an image editor), or prompt the user for the format they want if it so desires.
How the message is stored is immaterial - disk file, network server, whatever - why would this "text only" interface not work?
Posted Nov 7, 2010 15:30 UTC (Sun) by ccurtis (guest, #49713) [Link]
Now, why are threaded discussions on LWN so hard to follow - it should be easy! ;-)
Posted Nov 7, 2010 13:03 UTC (Sun) by jond (subscriber, #37669) [Link]
Posted Nov 8, 2010 15:10 UTC (Mon) by i3839 (guest, #31386) [Link]
I just checked out the Wayland repo and might give it a stab later this week.
Personally I find decentralized input event handling more important than CP though.
Posted Nov 6, 2010 21:25 UTC (Sat) by quotemstr (subscriber, #45331) [Link]
If you instead put the type information in the metadata, you basically have the system we have today *plus* the complexity of having to manage this temporary file and copy it across machines. Preemptively? On demand? Over what transport? Do transfers block the GUI?
Plus, you lost the ability to send multiple alternative data types. If I copy some text from a word processor and paste it into another word process, I want the formatting to be retained. If I paste that text into a terminal, I want plain text. There's no way to achive that without some fallback provision in the copy and paste system. This is a feature users want. They use it all the time, today.
You haven't solved any problems. You've obfuscated them and made them *worse* while removing features at the same time.
Posted Nov 6, 2010 21:51 UTC (Sat) by i3839 (guest, #31386) [Link]
Umm, that's a known problem and solved, as far it's possible to solve, for regular files. I'm pushing it to the place where this problem is already solved, instead of reinventing the wheel awkwardly. File extension seems good enough, but if you want MIME or whatever, that's easy enough to add.
> If you instead put the type information in the metadata, you basically > have the system we have today *plus* the complexity of having to manage > this temporary file and copy it across machines. Preemptively? On demand? > Over what transport? Do transfers block the GUI?
No, today there is too much information passing between programs. I know nothing about it, but that closing an app makes the copied thing disappear tells me that there is too much cooperation going on when copying/pasting happens.
The copying is only needed for network transparency, if you want to copy stuff between local and remote apps. It's not hard to implement.
> Plus, you lost the ability to send multiple alternative data types. If > I copy some text from a word processor and paste it into another word > process, I want the formatting to be retained. If I paste that text into > a terminal, I want plain text. There's no way to achive that without > some fallback provision in the copy and paste system. This is a feature > users want. They use it all the time, today.
This is actually a good point you make, finally.
Can't say I ever felt the need to do thing like this, but here goes:
Add a way to copy something multiple times in different formats, and let the program pasting it choose the type it prefers.
So instead of a singular item, you suddenly got a list or array of items. I give you that, my simple scheme before wouldn't handle this too well, unnecessarily cludgey for text if you pass the file path as text already. So instead always have a text representation (also the path in case there's nothing else), and a (hopefully usually empty) list of files.
This pushes the complexity of handling multiple types to where it belongs, while keeping the copy and paste system itself simple.
> You haven't solved any problems. You've obfuscated them and made them > *worse* while removing features at the same time.
What problems? I don't see any.
Posted Nov 6, 2010 21:54 UTC (Sat) by quotemstr (subscriber, #45331) [Link]
Add a way to copy something multiple times in different formats, and let the program pasting it choose the type it prefers. So instead of a singular item, you suddenly got a list or array of items. I give you that, my simple scheme before wouldn't handle this too well, unnecessarily cludgey for text if you pass the file path as text already. So instead always have a text representation (also the path in case there's nothing else), and a (hopefully usually empty) list of files. This pushes the complexity of handling multiple types to where it belongs, while keeping the copy and paste system itself simple.
All right. Now we're arrived at a complex tagged array scheme with server-managed copying. In what specific way is this better than (or hell, different from) what we have today?
Posted Nov 6, 2010 22:18 UTC (Sat) by i3839 (guest, #31386) [Link]
Second, primarily it's a simple text based CP system, but for the people that want silly complex types, it supports an array of path/type pairs. That is where the API ends and the system is complete. Technically it's all very simple and straightforward.
As for whether it's better or not than the current system, I don't know. Read my first post, all I'm saying is that you don't need X for copy&paste and that it's trivial enough to implement.
Posted Nov 8, 2010 12:47 UTC (Mon) by dgm (subscriber, #49227) [Link]
What a waste.
You need to realize that Cut and Paste is really an IPC, and one that requieres data format negotiation.
Also, you cannot rely on temporary files for that on X11, both applications need not be on the same machine, nor on the same network. Maybe they cannot see eachother directly, either.
Posted Nov 8, 2010 15:26 UTC (Mon) by michaeljt (subscriber, #39183) [Link]
You can also implement the clipboard as something purely local but proxyable, rather than coupling it so tightly with the window system. That would have the advantage that it can be more easily proxied in other situations than just the one you originally thought of (e.g. between virtual machines or different Synergy desktops). Just for fun, here is an imaginary non-X11-based clipboard API based on a well-known location in the filesystem (e.g. /var/spool/clipboard.tar).
* The application placing data in the clipboard creates a tar archive. The first file in the archive is a text file with a list of the MIME types provided, one per line. The other files contain the clipboard data in different formats, probably one file per MIME type and as few as possible (say one specialised format, one common one and a text fallback). The application atomically renames the tar file to /var/spool/clipboard.tar.
* An application which can handle clipboard data waits for file change notifications on /var/spool/clipboard.tar. When it gets one it reads the list of MIME types to see if it can handle one and if so enables its "paste" menu entry or whatever it does. When the user pastes data it reads the whole archive until it finds the format it can handle.
A couple of notes about the imaginary protocol:
* It is probably highly inefficient, although again copy and paste is not something you do several times a second.
* It could be integrated with the X11 clipboard protocol by a suitable X11 proxy client with the big caveat that the client would need to know about (though not to understand) lots of different data formats so that when an X11 client offers clipboard data the proxy client would know which formats are worth grabbing and which are not.
Simple is good enough
Posted Nov 14, 2010 17:06 UTC (Sun) by i3839 (guest, #31386) [Link]
Simplicity is more important than efficiency. The alternative would be to have some format negotiation and directly copying between programs when needed (for non-text formats), like X has. This is not worth the complexity.
All that's needed is a way to store mutiple formats and retrieve them, as wel as serialisation and notifications when things get copied (for proxies).
Posted Nov 14, 2010 21:00 UTC (Sun) by quotemstr (subscriber, #45331) [Link]
That's what users will begin saying if your scheme is implemented and we don't have application-to-application copying. What X11 jacobins like you don't realize is that current design choices were made *for a reason* and shouldn't be lightly abandoned.
Posted Nov 15, 2010 10:10 UTC (Mon) by michaeljt (subscriber, #39183) [Link]
If that was also addressed to me, I will make an attempt at defending my proposal (consider the correction I added above as part of it).
* Clipboard data is written to a file on disk in order to share it, but due to disk caching that doesn't have to mean that the disk has to be a bottleneck (even disregarding the fact that /var/clipboard could be a tmpfs). This would need real life testing of course. * Some latency is acceptable (ESR's estimate is 0.7 seconds - http://www.faqs.org/docs/artu/ch10s01.html). In this case we have additional room for manoeuvre, as we also have the time the user needs to switch from the copying to the pasting application. * I will also point out that this proposal actually removes a potential source of latency (one that does occur in the wild) with the X11 selection protocol - when an application pastes X11 clipboard data it requires several rounds of communication between the two applications via the X server. If the application offering the data is currently busy the application pasting will often freeze until the data can be served. With the scheme I proposed the data will be available at once.
I realise that it might still not be workable despite all that, but I do think that there is a chance it might be.
Posted Nov 15, 2010 10:30 UTC (Mon) by michaeljt (subscriber, #39183) [Link]
> If that was also addressed to me, I will make an attempt at defending my proposal (consider the correction I added above as part of it).
Replying to myself. One clear weakness of my proposal would be that it might not work well with select and middle button paste, as selecting is something you do more often than copying (again, that would need testing to be sure). I would give it more chances of working with drag and drop (which I personally prefer over middle button paste, but I greatly fear I am in a minority here with that).
Posted Nov 16, 2010 13:00 UTC (Tue) by i3839 (guest, #31386) [Link]
Posted Nov 16, 2010 14:11 UTC (Tue) by michaeljt (subscriber, #39183) [Link]
Shouldn't applications be doing what the user asks them to rather than being smart? Selecting and middle click pasting an image works now. If the user selects it, should the application really assume that they don't want to paste it? Of course, it might still turn out that users don't select things often enough that the overhead would be a big issue.
Posted Nov 16, 2010 22:26 UTC (Tue) by i3839 (guest, #31386) [Link]
Posted Nov 16, 2010 22:42 UTC (Tue) by michaeljt (subscriber, #39183) [Link]
This does happen currently though (I tested it earlier today).
> But copying it into a hundred formats isn't something you should do for every selection of any random thing (or ever, but if you do...).
I changed that aspect of the proposal in a previous comment - in the new version a file containing a single mime type (with a well-known magic number) is saved to disk. To handle conversions, a (large) set of filters is installed on the system, and the application reading the clipboard must iterate through the installed filters to find ones which convert the file to a format it can use. This is roughly what BeOS did, which apparently worked well (or so I am told by a colleague who developed for BeOS).
Posted Nov 19, 2010 22:13 UTC (Fri) by i3839 (guest, #31386) [Link]
Well, the problem is that for complex types you can't easily convert from one to the other, because only the program doing the copying has all the info.
Example: If you copy a bit of a webpage, it can be either plain text, the raw HTML code, or formatted text depending on the style etc. Converting to plain text is almost always possible, but anything else doesn't really work. So a single mime type isn't always sufficient.
There are two sides to a copy and paste system: The program ABI to do the copying and pasting, and the system ABI how it's actually done. I think the latter shouldn't be set in stone, only the former, to keep the implementation flexible. So all copying and pasting should happen through the system installed copy&paste library, or the copy and paste programs (simple front-ends for the lib).
(I still haven't found to start implementing this, hopefully next week.)
Posted Nov 22, 2010 14:52 UTC (Mon) by michaeljt (subscriber, #39183) [Link]
Actually the idea was that the application doing the copying provided the data in its native/internal format, which by definition should have all the information. It could always define an x- or a vnd. mime format for this and provide whatever converters it wanted to transform that data into other formats (they could probably double up as export filters too).
> Example: If you copy a bit of a webpage, it can be either plain text, the raw HTML code, or formatted text depending on the style etc. Converting to plain text is almost always possible, but anything else doesn't really work. So a single mime type isn't always sufficient.
In this case the native format is presumably "text/html", which should be convertable to either plain text or formatted text without the copying application even having to provide its own converters.
Posted Nov 25, 2010 21:44 UTC (Thu) by i3839 (guest, #31386) [Link]
For images and other data formats with an obvious raw format are much easier and better suited for automatic convertion. That can be done automatically without changing the API.
Posted Nov 25, 2010 21:56 UTC (Thu) by michaeljt (subscriber, #39183) [Link]
Just for interest I copied some text in Firefox and ran my clipboard format viewer. Here are the results:
$ ../tmp/viewclipformats Found clipboard format: TIMESTAMP Found clipboard format: TARGETS Found clipboard format: MULTIPLE Found clipboard format: text/html Found clipboard format: text/_moz_htmlcontext Found clipboard format: text/_moz_htmlinfo Found clipboard format: UTF8_STRING Found clipboard format: COMPOUND_TEXT Found clipboard format: TEXT Found clipboard format: STRING Found clipboard format: text/x-moz-url-priv
Without knowing, it wouldn't surprise me if one of those contained both the html and the formatting information, which I think should be feasible with my proposal too.
Posted Nov 26, 2010 22:26 UTC (Fri) by michaeljt (subscriber, #39183) [Link]
You also have to ask, when an application puts HTML data into the clipboard, what data it is actually putting there. When I select a section of text, pictures and whatever in Firefox and copy I get HTML data in the clipboard. But Firefox can't just put the source of the document from the point where the selection begins to the point where it ends into the clipboard, as it is announcing HTML data, and as you point out, that wouldn't be HTML, it would be broken HTML. So Firefox has no choice but to massage the HTML data anyway, and if it is doing that already, adding the style information inline is no great hardship.
Of course, if you want to reuse that data as is as HTML for some other web page then you are probably out of luck, but if you think of it that makes no sense anyway - if you want to do that you should probably be copying the source of the HTML as plain text. If you select and copy part of a page in Firefox, chances are that what you are actually about to do is to paste it either as plain text (the text visible on the page, not the HTML source) or as formatted text into e.g. OpenOffice.
And if you were copying the data inside some visual HTML editor, it would probably still not make sense for the editor to insert the data as naive HTML - chances are there would be no way to paste the data in any form resembling the source of the page the editor was generating, and in any case, if you were trying to get at the generated source it would make more sense to ask the editor directly than copying and pasting to get at it. In fact I would expect the visual editor to use some internal format which was not valid HTML at all when copying to the clipboard, but which another instance of the editor would know what to do with when pasting it. It might provide a filter to convert it to HTML, but not for the purposes of viewing the source - you don't use the clipboard for that - but rather as a stepping stone for converting it to OOXML or something else.
Hope that made sense, as I am rather short of sleep currently. I would really like to be clear that I am not trying to argue for the sake of arguing here, but rather because responding to the points you make forces me to think things through myself.
Posted Nov 27, 2010 10:39 UTC (Sat) by i3839 (guest, #31386) [Link]
Same here, we're trying to figure out if a list of formats is really needed, or if always providing only one and having convertors is sufficient. This choice determines the API, so it's pretty important.
Only having one format and providing convertors is simpler, but less complete. My main concern is that it's not always sufficient, or that it makes implementing copy harder than necessary for some applications, because they have to create one "complete" format and convertors.
Another concern is that you convert from simple->complex->simple, when also supporting a complex type, hoping that the "simple" in the end is the same as what you started with. So the unrelated complex type makes simple types more complex too, with too much room for errors in my opinion. Or in other words, copying simple types is not simple anymore, if you also copy a complex one.
Lastly, I don't really see a way to support multiple types when pasting. It should be the pasting program's decision what type to paste, if it supports multiple types. I don't see another way than supporting a list of types in the pasting API anyway, and then you can as well support lists in the copy API too.
I think you make too many assumptions about what the user or pasting program expects in your line of thinking.
All in all I think the automatic convertion idea is good, but not always sufficient. Combined with today's multiple format support in applications, I think it's best to support multiple formats, but to encourage convertor usage when possible.
Then when someone pastes something the lists are compared, and if they have no common format, a convertor is used.
A list of formats is basically "more of the same", so I think the added complexity, both for the API and implementation, is small enough.
Now we just have to find some time to implement this. I think I'll give it a stab next week. I'll keep you informed (my email address is email@example.com).
Posted Dec 9, 2010 19:16 UTC (Thu) by Lestibournes (guest, #71790) [Link]
If no one requests the data from Program A, then it will still dump the data when it terminates. The only weaknesses I detect are a delay when the Paste operation is performed, and that the data will be lost if Program A crashes. There should be a separate clipboard folder for each session to avoid conflicts such as two users who share an account and override each other's Copy operations.
Posted Nov 15, 2010 9:51 UTC (Mon) by michaeljt (subscriber, #39183) [Link]
I have been turning this over in my head since I posted that and have refined it somewhat. Rather than creating a tar file it should be enough to create a standard file in a known mime format with a usable magic number (note that the opendesktop.org mime specification allows for adding custom mime formats complete with magic numbers to a system). This would of course mean that text data would also need to be preceded by a mime tag, which I recognise makes the system slightly uglier, but also more reliable. Conversions could be handled in the BeOS way, which is to register conversion filters with the system (shared objects or just executable filters - in the end they need to be loaded from disk one way or another, so it might not make much difference). An application pasting clipboard data of a mime type it couldn't handle could enumerate the available filters to see if one of them helped.
An X11 application using this clipboard should of course start a proxy application - preferably a well known singleton application - which would keep the clipboard in sync with the traditional X11 one. This would allow for painless transition (I say transition, but there is no reason this sort of compatibility shouldn't be maintained for ever). Perhaps (although unlikely) I will try to get this working some time. I already maintain an X11 clipboard proxy tool that could be adapted to do the job.
Posted Nov 7, 2010 5:14 UTC (Sun) by drag (subscriber, #31333) [Link]
If copying non-text data you just have to use a URL to reference the resource. http://blah/ file://blah/ sftp://blah/
Then you let the application figure it out. If it does not know how to handle the file then it can display a error or just paste the text link or something.
This is were things like GVFS come in handy. Apps that support GVFS it's easy to do this... you just let GVFS handle the details about the connection to the service and then have the program figure out what to do with the file.
For non-gvfs programs you can theoretically just pass the URL through /home/blah/.gvfs/etc/etc/ and expose GVFS through FUSE.
Posted Nov 7, 2010 13:07 UTC (Sun) by jond (subscriber, #37669) [Link]
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Feb 2, 2012 12:09 PM
patch 1.08 release Tonight
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And doesn't mention lag. Host lag...
I think the lag is in there. You only have so many characters in a tweet. But yes that is the most important of issues
yipee, i don't care
some of us do
Obviously you do enough to make a comment about it. #Hipster
Lag comp
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uL5FlLCYCDY&feature=g-u-u&context=G2a5d74aFUAAAAA AAEAA
They better fix this **** with patch
So basically tomorrow.
Just out of curiousity I wonder if the patch was resubmitted without the lag comp fixes because for whatever reason that code failed Sony cert. Wouldn't you think that would be one of the highlighted fixes in his post?
JT235 wrote: So basically tomorrow. Just out of curiousity I wonder if the patch was resubmitted without the lag comp fixes because for whatever reason that code failed Sony cert. Wouldn't you think that would be one of the highlighted fixes in his post?
I believe that is what happened, and/or they got caugh this type trying to send out empty patch. Whatever the case, Sony caught some bullshit going on and rejected whatever it was. Though I have to say, it sucks for XBox if this is true. If Microsoft is just sliding those patches out to get more money for ATVI. I know for a fact that the patch that came with DLC drop did nothing. Hence the the .3 after is was 1.4.478 for at least 3-4 days after release of patch. All of .3 was to address something in previous patches.
'Theater fixes'? Does this mean that PS3 will finally have HD uploading like the Xbox has???
no only fails like ,,out of memory 7,, or that you cant upload to Youtube
Oh ok thanks.
Supposed to. Only took 3 months. WE ARE TREATED AS EQUALS
I recently got a PS3 from a friend (just to play GT actually because the 360's racing games are a joke). I rented MW3 to play with buddies who dont have a 360 and I have to say, I would be absolutely embarassed at teh state of MW3 on the PS3.
Parties rarely connect, joining games/parties takes for ever and the mic quality? How did this HORRIBLE mic quality make it past IW's beta testing? Why did it take 3+ months for a game that made TONS of money take this long to fix mic chat?
If I was a PS3/MW3 owner i would be irate!
If you are a PS3 owner, a word of advice, dont play on the 360. You wont be happy.
Any update to give Elite Subs what they fully deserve is nice. I'm just waiting on an update to enable clan operations.
They still have more issues to deal with. They rush the game out and have to patch for the whole year. Shame.
When is 2am in regards to the international time zones?
I'm CET (Central European Time) = GMT + 1 = US Eastern Time + 6
When does Bob Bowls mean with 2am?
PST (Pacific Standard Time) = GMT - 8
So is it live?


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3. | Sandbar | ||
An expression of lameness or douchebaggery. Derived from the people who visit the sandbar on the Columbia River behind the Gorge Amphitheater instead of buying tickets for the show. Can you believe those girls in the campground bathroom who are straightening their hair! That's so SANDBAR!
We're at a Dave Matthews show and those SANDBAR douche bags are blasting Snoop Dogg in their RV. Me: I have to go back to work tomorrow. You: SANDBAR! |
1. | Sandbar | ||
The act of wetting your penis and covering it with sand, then sticking it inside of a girl's ass That bitch didn't even see the sandbar comin!
2. | sandbar | ||
The area between the dick and the ass. Also referred to as the grundle or gooch. Please fondle my sandbar.
4. | sandbar | ||
The act of becoming exuberantly inebriated with a sibling of the same sex and proceding to engender in one sided anal innercourse. "(to) sandbar"
Sam: Hey mike, did mom cook dinner yet? Mike: Im not talking to you. Sam: Why? Mike: Because you sandbared me lastnight and you know it. Ace: Hey dads cooking steaks tonight! Gary: Your right. We better get a good sandbaring in before he gets home! Teacher:Joe your grades have been sub par, youve been 0 habitually absent, and youve had trouble sitting in class. Whats going on with you? Joe:My brother....... He...... Teacher: (gasp) He didnt...... sandbar you..... Did he? Joe: Yes, every weekend. William: To sandbar, or not to sandbar? That is the question. Steve: Well i hope my rusty sherifs badge winking at you answers your question. Now grab that turkey baster full of jack and fill up my darkstar. Paramedic: This guys O2 levels are low. Im going to administer lactated ringer's to bring his liquids up. Paramedic 2: This kid has a load of cum in his ass. He doesnt need any more liquids. Paramedic: He was probably getting sandbared all night. Alright johnny, your going to feel a little prick, but it wont be as bad as the first one. |
5. | sandbar | ||
sandbar - when you shit in the toilet and the mound peaks above the water line forming a sandbar\ omg there are raisins in your sandbar homie1
6. | sandbar | ||
An extreme skid mark left on the toilet bowl. I just had to scrub my brother's nasty ass sandbar off the toilet!
7. | sandbar | ||
The perineum.


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This was our first trip to the area and we could not have been more pleased with the beautifully designed lodge and spectacular views of the Rockies from our room and other areas of the lodge. The owners and innkeeper were so hospitable and helpful - and such good breakfasts and coffee a bonus! We recommend Taharaa Mountain Lodge highly... More
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Archives > Sports Update
Overtime and out: Leopards fall shy of 7-on-7 state bid in semifinals
BY Matt Welch, firstname.lastname@example.com
WYLIE -- The Lovejoy football team began last week as an alternate for Friday's Wylie 7-on-7 State Qualifying Tournament.
Uncertain to even be part of the event, the Leopards would justify their eventual entry by coming within a hairline of being in the finals. Tournament host Wylie had other plans, dashing the Leopards' latest bid for a state tournament berth with a 47-45 overtime win in the semifinals.
"I'm really proud of our kids," said Matt Green, Lovejoy head coach. "Being a late addition, they weren't prepared for this, but they came together and said that they wanted to be here."
With overtime contested in an NCAA-style format, Lovejoy's Daniel Sefcik traded blows with the Pirates by accounting for the Leopards' two touchdown receptions on catches of 5 and 2 yards. Wylie quarterback Kameron Kelly was game with two overtime touchdown passes to counter, going one step further by connecting on a two-point conversion pass for the 47-45 victory.
The Leopards had a chance at said conversion on their prior series, but failed.
"The reality is that we're a bit shorthanded right now and our program isn't as big as some of these other ones," Green said. "But I know this: our kids fight and they play hard."
The Leopards' SQT finale culminated against a Wylie squad they will see this fall for their inaugural run through Class 4A with the Leopards and Pirates slated to occupy District 13-4A.
That was a theme for Lovejoy's afternoon in Wylie, with its three prior pool play matchups contested against 4A and 5A opposition.
Slotted in Pool B, replacing Hebron, the Leopards emerged unscathed.
Lovejoy opened the tournament with a 27-6 victory over North Mesquite that featured touchdown receptions by Cullon Greene, Sefcik and Zach Wilkins, plus two interceptions by Steven Larsen.
The Leopards followed with wins over Sachse (27-13) and Lake Dallas (34-33) to complete the pool sweep.
"We played some teams that were super athletic and well coached," Green said. "I thought our team responded well and we had to fight in every game. There wasn't an easy one out there and they battled the whole way."
Of note was Sells quarterbacking the Leopards the whole way while spring ball and 2011 signal caller Zach Saffle saw reps at receiver and defensive back.
"This is good for [Sells]," Green said. "He's going to eventually grow into being a quarterback for us. I'm not sure where he fits right now, but I do know that Zach Saffle is our leader.
"Zach is our quarterback right now."
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