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Paul Ryan Speaks in West Chester
Paul Ryan has concluded his speech in West Chester. See the blog below to find out what was said and see the crowd, campaign buttons, signs and T-shirts. Because the live part of the blog is over, the blog starts at the beginning, so go to the bottom.
R Mexico
2:06 pm on Tuesday, August 21, 2012
i just hope this doesn't make me late to pick up my wife... it's bad enough that there's a (hopefully diminishing) chance this guy could be vice-president without him adding to my traffic problems...
Suzanne Lowther
5:13 pm on Tuesday, August 21, 2012
I can not believe there are people out there that think Obama has done a good job.
Seriously?? We need to get rid of Obama and get in a new president whether it is a Democrat or a Republican. Preferably a smart team like Romney and Ryan!!
Dave Hoag
11:51 pm on Tuesday, August 21, 2012
Suzanne, the country was losing nearly a million jobs a month when Obama took office. Obama has done a good job getting the country back on track. We have economic growth and job growth. But the House GOP has opposed all of Obama's job-creating initiatives and then accused of him failing to get anything done--all with the ultimate goal of thwarting his re-election.
Romney certainly doesn't know how to improve the economy. Look at his deplorable record as governor. Under Governor Romney, Massachusetts was the only state with three straight years of a shrinking labor force. The state was hemorrhaging jobs under Romney, even as the rest of the country was growing.
During Romney's time in office, the Massachusetts labor force contracted by 1.7 percent, and it was the only state in the nation to decline each year during the time period. The nation's labor force expanded by 3.1 percent.
When Romney was in office, the Massachusetts labor force was the only one in New England that did not grow, while the labor forces in all the other New England states grew between 4.6 percent and 6.0 percent.
When Romney ran for governor, he bragged that as CEO he'd bring corporations and jobs to Massachusetts and belittled his opponent for "not knowing what I know." While Mr. CEO Romney was governor, major employers like Gillette, Hancock, Fleet, and Reebok closed down their Massachusetts operation and sent hundreds of thousands of jobs out of state.
7:46 am on Wednesday, August 22, 2012
what jobs? the only jobs he tries to create are in the public sector. how many more people do we need on the dole?
Jim Shu
9:16 am on Wednesday, August 22, 2012
Wow, talk about an ignorant public! All I can say is Thank God ABC, NBC, MSNBC, CNN, or NPR weren't broadcasting their lies on the Titanic. Otherwise, there wouldn't have been any survivors...
Jeff Lugar
9:25 am on Wednesday, August 22, 2012
Dave Hoag couldn't have said it better. There's no politics for the sake of the country anymore; it's all partisan obstructionism. The GOP's goal is getting the White House by preventing anything Obama asks for and then hoping the public is too stupid to realize that they're what's causing him to not be able to do anything.
We desperately need to end this "intend to fillibuster" nonsense that makes it so easy to force passage in the Senate to require 60 yes votes; if someone's that desperate to block progress, let the public see them read from the phone book for 36 hours and we'll see how quickly public sentiment turns on people who refuse to allow votes to occur.
Rosemary B
12:54 pm on Thursday, August 23, 2012
The problem is that Obama is a very poor leader and does not know how to work with people. Hoping for better with Romney.
3:09 pm on Tuesday, August 21, 2012
Don't forget that is a road that Obama "built"!! Please!
Tom Bartman
8:30 am on Wednesday, August 22, 2012
How did the GOP roadblock when Obama had full control of the House and Senate for 2 years? Explain that to us.
Tim Again.
5:53 pm on Wednesday, August 22, 2012
Tom Bartmann. Joe Lieberman and the other democrats bought by the healthcare and the NRa.
7:44 am on Friday, August 31, 2012
Due to the fact that the President is a tax payer, you are absolutely correct! The President plus all the rest of the American tax payers have built our roads, which is the President's (exact) point!
Mock the President if you will Matt, but only the dimmest bulbs on the string of lights would not get the President's point and/or believe the Republican propaganda and false representation of his comments.
Jim L
3:15 pm on Tuesday, August 21, 2012
Waiting in the sun 4 hours to hear that moron speak, I'm having a much more productive day than that.
I shouldn't say that, he's not a moron, but this type of thinking/upbringing/religion has no business being at the top of our Govt.
I'm being very nice here, (biting my tongue).
3:57 pm on Tuesday, August 21, 2012
just wondering what type of thinking/upbringing/religion should be at the top of our gov't?
4:35 pm on Tuesday, August 21, 2012
Would you rather a no work experience community organizer at the top of our Govt? Oh wait we have that and that really didnt work out.
Suzanne Lowther
5:14 pm on Tuesday, August 21, 2012
Why are you waiting?? I guess you realize he has more important things to say than Obama. Or should I say truthful?
John Dallas Bowers
11:18 am on Wednesday, August 22, 2012
"Waiting in the sun 4 hours to hear that moron speak, I'm having a much more productive day than that. I shouldn't say that, he's not a moron..."
If you actually thought you shouldn't say it, you wouldn't have. That's why there's a delete key.
R Mexico
4:25 pm on Tuesday, August 21, 2012
OK, "the gaffe that keeps on giving" was a good one... Joe Biden IS an idiot (although i'll still vote for his boss)...
Tim Again.
4:27 pm on Tuesday, August 21, 2012
Is lying Ryan blaming for anymore GM closings thatc happened under Bush's watch? What a weazel.
Tim Again.
5:28 pm on Tuesday, August 21, 2012
Is lyng Ryan blamin obama 4 the gm plant closngs? OK mike.
4:59 pm on Tuesday, August 21, 2012
It's unbelievable to me that a person would compare Paul Ryan campaign visit to a KKK march. This guy is about American as apple pie. There are many of us that aren't buying Obama's cool aid and it's does have anything to do with race.
Tim Again.
5:26 pm on Tuesday, August 21, 2012
Apple pie. More like the poisoned apples that the witch made.
Bill L
6:43 pm on Tuesday, August 21, 2012
"I mean, you got the first mainstream African-American who is articulate and bright and clean and a nice-looking guy. I mean, that's a storybook, man." --Joe Biden on Barack Obama
Jim Knowles
9:46 pm on Tuesday, August 21, 2012
Dennis. Do you realize you made it about race as soon as you mentioned it's not about race?
12:41 pm on Wednesday, August 22, 2012
Dennis - I don't know what you mean by "Ryan being about American as apple pie." Apple pie was created long before this country was here I believe. Apple pie does not equal American.
Rosemary B
12:56 pm on Thursday, August 23, 2012
And Obama's upbringing outside of this country does not equal All-American either.
6:10 pm on Tuesday, August 21, 2012
Romney/ Ryan = Ruination of Middle class, Medicare, social security, and America.
Bill L
7:09 pm on Tuesday, August 21, 2012
Ed, how do you figure that Ryan and Romney are responsible for any of those? Please enlighten us all. Are you referring to middle class jobs? Such as?
Dave Hoag
11:38 pm on Tuesday, August 21, 2012
You're darn right Ed. The Romney/Ryan budget would kill 4.1 million middle-class jobs within two years:
Joe Plummer
8:17 am on Wednesday, August 22, 2012
In Obama's Inaugural speech, he promised..create jobs, ( truth: only in the public sector) lay a new foundation of growth (promised 4%, reality 1.3%..lowest in ten years), build road and bridges, elecric grids, and digital upgrades (none of this was done), reduce the deficit (has risen 7 trillion)......Sad. He has done nothing in Iraq, done nothing in Syria and the Islamic Republic violently crushed the protestors and heas unitied the "Extremist Muslim" by doing nothin in the Middle East. Vote him in again at least you'll get free money from the Government
Steve Maher
6:58 pm on Tuesday, August 21, 2012
I hope someone asks Paul Ryan about Todd Akin! The Akin-Ryan Bill is one of the most anti-choice pieces of legislation out there! Two words that should never be used together in the same sentence: legitimate and rape. In defending his extreme anti-choice position – that a woman who is raped and becomes pregnant should not be permitted to have an abortion, Akin said, "First of all, from what I understand from doctors [pregnancy from rape] is really rare. If it's a legitimate rape, the female body has ways to try to shut that whole thing down."
Akin and Ryan were the original co-sponsors of the controversial bill H.R. 3, "No Taxpayer Funding for Abortion Act," which initially included language which changed the definition of "rape" to "forcible rape," until public pressure forced the bill's supporters to remove that unacceptable and narrow definition.
Ryan was against abortion in all cases including rape until Team Romney's statement. Romney has said he would get rid of Planned Parenthood and has been moving further right on women's issues since he was a pro-choice governor of Massachusetts. This could be a huge problem for the Republican ticket in November.
Bill L
8:43 pm on Tuesday, August 21, 2012
1. Akins' comment was a flubbed remark. He admitted it. Hardly scandalous when you consider those of Charles Rangel, Anthony Weiner, Rod Blagojevich, John Edwards, Joe Biden, Timothy Geithner, Tom Daschle, and the list goes on.... I find it remarkable that Progressives and Dems want to crucify a guy for admitting that he spoke out of context when practically bragging about the misgivings of their own party.
Rosemary B
1:04 pm on Thursday, August 23, 2012
This is really a non issue for president and vice president. They do not write the laws, the congress does. They only sign it or veto it. And, quite frankly, with the huge deficit and the high unemployment and the state that the world is in I think they have more important things on their mind to deal with than abortion. Also, why should the unborn child have to pay with their life for the crimes of the father? It is quite a moral dilemma.
John Q. Public
5:00 pm on Thursday, August 23, 2012
The Democrats have an accused rapist, Bill Clinton, addressing their convention, not just someone who admitted his misspoke. It's not about the issue, but all agenda driven.
Issue Driven
8:28 pm on Thursday, August 23, 2012
There is ONE extreme view on Abortion in Presidential race. President Obama's. Another example of the things the Democrat Media Complex completely ignored was Obama's votes against the Illinois " Born Alive Act". Then state legislator Obama voted "present" one year, and "NO" the next . Synopsis: It protected a l fetus/infant who survived a Late Term Abortion. If the to be aborted fetus somehow survived... it would then be afforded human rights and medical care. Forget "present" he didn't vote YES!
Language was identical.
Good Video on the topic from CNN
CNN fairly reported then-state Sen. Barack Obama's opposition to the IL Born Alive Infants Protection Act, a bill to protect abortion survivors from being shelved to die in hospital soiled utility rooms.
Obama not only voted against Born Alive, he was the sole senator to speak against it on the senate floor - 2 years in a row.
The federal version of Born Alive passed unanimously 98-0 in the US Senate with Sens. Kennedy and Boxer speaking in support on the senate floor. It passed overwhelmingly by voice vote in the US House. President Bush signed it into law on August 5, 2002.
As chairman of the IL Senate Health & Human Services Committee, Obama singlehandedly stopped the identical wording of the federal bill from being introduced in IL in 2003.
Barack Obama is so radical in his support of abortion, he supports infanticide.
See CNN Video from 08 election <http://youtu.be/QPZCXcTwZPY>;
Bill L
7:05 pm on Tuesday, August 21, 2012
This election is really the country's last chance to save if from the same ruinous fate of Spain, Greece, and rest of Europe. Obama has us on a collision course with socialism. If he wins, then we've lost the ship. The "no liability" voter (one that does not own property, businesses, or pay taxes but instead lives entirely off of the tax revenue created by those that have they smarts, guts, determination, and desire to success and create jobs, is overtaking the country. Public worker unions voting for their own pay and obscene impossible-to-fund cushy pension plans are literally driving cities across the country into insolvency. So much has to change in order for us to swerve off course from the inevitable cliff that is rapidly approaching, that I fear even if the country wakes up and recognizes the severe damage that Obama has caused the country, it may just be too late. I have no time for petty back-and-forth quips about KKK and other BS. You all better wake up and understand that the government is funded by taxes collected by the Producing Class of this country. Period. It is downright insulting to hear from the recipient class that they "deserve" welfare, healthcare, etc. STFU, conger up a novel idea, strap a set on, and get into business for yourself.
Steve Maher
9:02 pm on Tuesday, August 21, 2012
Bill L are you married? Do you have daughters? That was one of the dumbest responses I have ever heard of. I guess thats what happens when you don't have a college education!
Bill L
9:43 pm on Tuesday, August 21, 2012
OK, Steve. Whatever you say. Calm yourself down and take a deep breath. No one is going to overturn Roe v Wade on you, my friend. Question though: Does requiring tax-payers that oppose abortion to fund an abortion seem, in your apparently college-educated mind, seem moral? Legal?
10:08 pm on Tuesday, August 21, 2012
Bill L - When you talk about the "recipient class" are you reminding us that Paul Ryan had his college education paid for by Social Security and chose to go to school (out of state), which cost more than an in state school? Further, outside of having a government job and receiving gold plated healthcare and "cushy" pension, his only job was driving the Weiner Mobile.
Joe Plummer
8:33 am on Wednesday, August 22, 2012
Bill L...your right on the money...Obama = hand outs. I worked in social services for a few years and had to get out. The sense of entitlement is beyond belief. People believe that the government owes them rent, food, extra moneyfor booze etc...I start a business, struggled and became semi-successful. And I built it on my own with out government.
7:55 pm on Tuesday, August 21, 2012
The "Democratic Party" is really America's answer for the Socialist Party: the perennial crutch for non performing minorities and caucasians. The only salvation for America is the Romney / Ryan ticket.
8:21 pm on Tuesday, August 21, 2012
I listened to Mr. Ryan's remarks and didn't really hear anything specific or convincing. A few well crafted one liners to pander to the mostly friendly crowd, but that isn't going to get him elected or transform this country. The GOP seems so focused on the past and trying to insert religion into every conversation they fail to recognize that we are dependent on a global economy and the simplicity of the past will never again be the environment in which we live or govern.
John - there are many Dems that own their own business, lead major enterprises and contribute significantly to our economy and society. The GOP doesn't have a monopoly on success. Sure there are free loaders, in some states they vote for the Dems but there are many places where they take the gov't $ and vote straight ticket Republican.
10:35 am on Thursday, August 23, 2012
I don't believe John said that the Dems were comprised of only non performing minorities etc, but that their policies directly support a state whose purpose is to "nanny" those that can't provide for themselves (e.g. socialism).
The point isn't whether people take advantage of what the gov't gives them as that is the right economic approach (i.e. if the gov't offers you something free, most people will take it regardless of whether they think it is good policy). It isn't disingenuous to both take the gov't money as that is the policy of the day and then vote against it because they don't believe that is the best approach for the country.
What John seems to be alluding to is the policy of the gov't becoming the provider to the people rather than a servant of the people -- If only 50% are paying the taxes, then it is very tenous that the gov't works for the people.
Steve Maher
9:00 pm on Tuesday, August 21, 2012
Bill L. what planet are you living on? What the difference between "forceable rape" and rape? This just shows how out of touch the Republican party really is with the American public. Romney/Ryan/Corbett/Akin/Truitt all going back to the 1950's!
Bill L
9:36 pm on Tuesday, August 21, 2012
Steve, is that what you are voting on this year? Choice? While you are obsessing over that, the entire economy is collapsing. Personally, I am pro-choice as a matter of fact. Frankly, I'd like to see a lot more "choice" exercised by the Recipient Class, but, alas, they continue to burden the taxpayers by irresponsible procreation. Consider me one of the many pro-choice, pro-death penalty, fiscally-conservative, Chester County Republicans. At the end of the day, when you stack up the real issues that are weighing HEAVY on the future of America, the battle over women's choice is far down the list my friend. Because in the next couple of generations, if the Recipient Class continues to squirt out other Recipient Class offspring, then, like a cancer, they will overtake the healthy body that is the Producing Class of the country.
Dave Hoag
11:41 pm on Tuesday, August 21, 2012
Bill L, spare us the purple prose. The "entire economy" is not collapsing. We're in a recovery. We have positive job growth. The stock market is booming and hit a four-year high today. The GOP wrecked the economy under George W. Bush and now they're telling us they can fix everything? That's baloney.
10:42 am on Thursday, August 23, 2012
Steve, this is really disingenuous. No one holds this view that is remotely aligned with the GOP or Dem ticket. One poor sap who is very bad with the media stepped in the poop. It doesn't make it a national scandal.
Honestly, this really isn't even part of the issue at the national level. Abortion as a litmus test makes for very bad elections and choices (on both sides.)
This is a canard to deflect the discussion from real and significant choices: What is the correct role of the federal gov't in the life of the average person?
louis kootsares
9:06 pm on Tuesday, August 21, 2012
i never argue with nutso people ..but it seems they are ayahtolla obahma and bobo bidens biggest fans newest blunder of that traitor ignore our only friend israel and iraq ignored the trade blockade on iran then again one of saddam obahmas aides did receive 100grand from iran i did ask one of saddam obahmas stoogie workers what did he do good.. he could not answer me.. hurrah for romney and ryan ..they can save the country
10:12 pm on Tuesday, August 21, 2012
louis kootsares you would deal well to spend some time reading some fact checking sites. Talk about nutso! LOL!!!!
Amend Wun
9:28 pm on Tuesday, August 21, 2012
Hate Obama if you want, but no one supporting his opponent can really articulate how Romney/Ryan will magically change things for the positive. All they do is yell "socialist!" without any defense of that statement or any real solutions. When I listen to the replyblicans ideas of progress, it sounds more like elitism than anything. Tell us what Romney/Ryan are planning to do that will really make a difference. That's their challenge if they want to win. Name calling is childish and just doesn't cut it.
10:15 pm on Tuesday, August 21, 2012
Their platform is one that promotes an Oligarchy and big government in our personal lives.
Liberty 1
1:07 pm on Thursday, August 23, 2012
I guess their problem is they can't explain it in 30 second soundbites. The average attention span of a lefty.
Jon Beretsky
9:28 pm on Tuesday, August 21, 2012
this is all the republican party could come up with; no real candidates just puppets with one goal to oust President Obama. Just another failure by the republican party to find viable candidates who can actually do something legitamately good for our country. Maybe if they are elected they will make Palin secretary of state and Limbaugh the next Drug Czar. I am not saying Obama is perfect, but at least he achievied some things all while inheriting the worst mess since the great depression. (Thanks Dubbya!) I think we tried Trickle Down Economics, how id that work out? And for all of you Anti Abortion bible thumpers; do the math, when abortion was made legal crime rate in our country decreased exponentially over time. This is because mothers who do not want their children have children who turn into delinquents and then full fledged criminals. The right to choose saves not only the child from being raised in a broken home andthe mother from living a life she does not want; it also protects society as a whole. OPEN YOUR EYES! what was revelant 5000 years ago may not be applicable today... be careful anyone taking a cruise, you may fall of the edge of the world.
9:43 pm on Tuesday, August 21, 2012
Seriously this is about the dumbest thing I have read in a long time. Abortion makes crime go down......your an idoit - and I'm being nice.
7:40 am on Friday, August 31, 2012
ADOPTION. Talk to Pam Stenzel whose mother was raped and who could have been easily aborted but instead is so thankful to her birth mother and her adopted family. She has devoted her life to talk to teens about abstinence. We are NOT out of control animals. Do you really think that this is a blob in your stomach with a beating heart and you have a right to stop the heartbeat? How many people adopt oversees every day because they would have to wait YEARS to adopt a child here. Abortion destroys most woman over time. They cannot deal with the permanent decision that they made. They see children that would have been their childs age and it kills them. They self medicate with food, alcohol or drugs. They are depressed and angry that nobody told them that they would have after affects FOREVER. Permanent decisions often have permanent pain. How come I do not have the right to choose to drink and drive...is that taking away my rights? NO, it is for the safety of others. I 100% agree that mothers who do not want their children should NEVER be mothers..but guess what ...we need to teach responsibility. Do not have sex with anyone you are not willing to be a parent with. If you do, then be willing to carry the child and give them up for adoption. You can be proud of yourself that you did not commit MURDER. Where did you get the impression that the BIble supported that the world was flat? Go to answersingenesis.org or gotquestions.org.Pray for wisdom before you decide you eternal fate.
Anonymous 2.0
9:31 am on Friday, August 31, 2012
Anonymous: pam is a bit plump, certainly she has self esteem issues, pam is against sex, is that healthy? pam is a carnival barker selling her books profiting
9:37 am on Friday, August 31, 2012
Anonymous- I believe in the right of the mother to choose for herself what to do. It should not be dictated by others or peoples religious beliefs. It is her body, her uterus, her decision, no one elses. You would force a women to have her rapists baby? Then everytime she looks at that baby she is reminded of that rape? It is her right to choose, no one elses. All making abortion illegal will do is increase the black market ones, or some women will do it themselves. Just like the war on drugs. It drives these things to the black market which makes it even more dangerous.
Jim Knowles
9:48 pm on Tuesday, August 21, 2012
When's the civil war? Just looking to plan ahead.
10:26 pm on Tuesday, August 21, 2012
He ascribes to the philosophy of an atheist that believed in the survival of the fittest, believed that the facts about the harm of tobacco was a hoax, and in the end when being treated for cancer relied in all the "entitlements" that she preached against in her books. Hypocritical.
Ryan's too is hypocritical... Social Security paid for his education. Aside from driving the wiener mobile, he has only held government jobs.
9:19 am on Thursday, August 23, 2012
That's right about Ryan only holding government jobs, I mean look Obama worked at, I mean he did .....never mind.
11:43 pm on Tuesday, August 21, 2012
Wow - what a nasty bunch of posts. I cannot believe how hateful people are. What ever happened to civility of discourse. And where did the KKK comment come into play? What a disappointment this country has become in all the hate speak from both sides.
Bill L
7:11 am on Wednesday, August 22, 2012
Anitra (scroll up) is the genius that insulted us all by comparing Paul Ryan's visit with a KKK rally, in case you are wondering, Laura. So that's where that "race card" comment entered the discussion.
7:32 am on Wednesday, August 22, 2012
I find it funny how the Libs hide behind their keyboards, guess the name Spinless Liberals fits.
7:43 am on Wednesday, August 22, 2012
I just find it ironic that we have 50 candidates for Miss America yet are forced to choose between two millionaires for President.
louis kootsares
8:02 am on Wednesday, August 22, 2012
earnest..what news do you get? a paper written in crayon by bobo biden?i get 2 newspapers and subscribe to 3 news services and it seems every one shows the same thing...with ayatolla obahma we are screwed but with boohoo liberals the same applies
8:02 am on Wednesday, August 22, 2012
I despise the arrogance and socialist/Marxist views and policies that spew from Obama. We fought the spreading of communism and won that battle 20 years ago and now it reappears in the form of our current President who got into office under the guise of bringing people together. He has done nothing but divide this country since he went into office and his class warfare crusade is very tiring. This isn't about race and the liberals use that tactic all the time to promote guilt and deflect from the facts.
Morgan King
4:51 pm on Wednesday, August 22, 2012
Wait, if you 'won the battle' against the spread of Communism 20 years ago, how did the most powerful position in your country end up being filled by a socialist/Markist - that sounds a lot like losing to me. And, you know, there's China - the actually Communist country that makes all our stuff and owns most of our debt? And how is this country any more divided than it was 8 years ago? That's both unprovable and silly.
Amend Wun
8:30 am on Wednesday, August 22, 2012
@Bob- uh...aren't you using a keyboard while throwing around insults?
Amend Wun
8:41 am on Wednesday, August 22, 2012
@Patriot2- please state specific facts that defend your position against President Obama. References to Marxism and communism by those opposing Obama are unfounded and overblown, as are accusations of class warfare and his expansion of the welfare state. Those are just phrases used by people trying to spread fear. If anything, the continued defense of trickle up economics, in light of its utter failure, is itself a promotion of class warfare; in that it promoted the notion that an elite class of wealthy individuals knows best and should be given financial advantages that others are not given.
So, I ask again; using specific examples, how would a Romney/Ryan presidency change the nation for the better?
Rosemary B
1:12 pm on Thursday, August 23, 2012
Much of it has to do with attitude. Obama has a negative attitude against this country and his whole campaign is negative cause he cannot run on his record. Romney's is positive and hopeful for a great future. He has turned things around in bad situations, the Olympics plus under performing companies, and has the confidence that he can do it again for the whole country. That is what I am voting for.
1:17 pm on Thursday, August 23, 2012
@Rosemary B - So you are voting for Mutt & Jeff because of their *attitude*?
Reeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeally? Oh my. Mitt & Ryan are all smoke & mirrors. Just like my big Republican boss.
Be careful what you wish for....
Rosemary B
3:43 pm on Thursday, August 23, 2012
I am voting for Romney instead of Obama for many reasons. Attitude is just one of them.Some others are that I am against Universal Healthcare and I think Obama is a terrible leader. I think Romney is a much better leader who has proven he can accomplish real things and fix problems, as he did with the Utah Olympics and by turning around faltering companies. He has real life experience that Obama lacks. I am not impressed with Obama's 'accomplishments" while in office and would like to try a more experienced leader in the position. I also do not agree with Obama's position on Israel.
8:43 am on Wednesday, August 22, 2012
Only difference is I can back up my words where Libs can't and won't , so Mr or Mrs Amend get in your Prius and drive away.
Louis Flanagan
8:55 am on Wednesday, August 22, 2012
Those of us who work in private enterprise and do not draw taxpayer funded salaries understand how screwed up this economy is. A printer in upstate Pennsylvania told me last week that companies like his in that region are working three day weeks. Drive down Lancaster Avenue from Paoli and you'll see a frightening number of closed businesses. Drive through the modern office parks behing King of Prussia malls and you'll find nearly every building has an "available" sign on it.
Jobs? Apart from taxpayer funded jobs, most companies I know of are not hiring. One company owner told me he paid himself a whopping $16,000 last year.
Recovery? To believe that, you'd need to live in a bubble.
How much more evidence does anyone need to grasp that the current occupants in Washington have no clue about building a free-market economy? Community organizing skills are laughable substitutes for knowing what to do in the real world.
9:58 am on Wednesday, August 22, 2012
That may be because so much of what now passes for printing is done overseas. Local printing such as it is can be done in-house much cheaper.
Amend Wun
8:59 am on Wednesday, August 22, 2012
@Bob- what exactly are you backing up? All I see happening is you tossing insults around.
9:00 am on Wednesday, August 22, 2012
I agree with Louis, thank God for someone with common sense
9:07 am on Wednesday, August 22, 2012
It's obvious your clueless amend or whatever your name is. I'm not going to waste my time with someone as idiotic as yourself , I'll end with this advice, enjoy your socialist, racist , unqualified excuse for a President while you have him.
Amend Wun
9:08 am on Wednesday, August 22, 2012
@Louis- pointing out how bad it is doesn't give Romney an advantage, nor does it speak to what he would do to change that. One could also site examples of how things have gotten better, I.e. The auto industry. You can't whitewash the economy to suit a bias. You have to take it as it stands. Sure it could be better, but it was a lot worse in 2008. That implies a recovery, even if some sectors and some communities are faring as well as others. The city I live in is doing better. I own a small business and my bottom line has increased even if it isn't where I'd like it to be yet. I'm not going to vote for someone who's platform is to denigrate the guy who started fixing the mess his predecessor created just cuz it's not happening as fast as I'd like, especially when that person offers no real solutions. I want to hear what Romney will do, not how much he thinks Obama messed up. Give us substance is you want to get elected, not insults.
Liberty 1
1:11 pm on Thursday, August 23, 2012
YEA! Give us substance!!! Just like Obama did in 2008!! Oh, that wasn't substance? Sorry.
Amend Wun
9:10 am on Wednesday, August 22, 2012
@Bob- it's obvious you have no real information to offer the debate, and your only reason for commenting is to insult people. That says more about you than me.
Mallison Schwartz
9:27 am on Wednesday, August 22, 2012
Can't we get back to whats really important ? How can we on the suburban side of " the 13" continue be represented by career phila politician ( and pig) Allyson Schwartz ?
Roman Gabriel
10:22 am on Wednesday, August 22, 2012
Beary, you are the man. Why do we allow Allyson Schwartz to represent us ? Because half of the 13th district is in Phila. In philly there two kinds of people : union members & citizens with there hands out . Thats why she stays in office.
11:24 am on Wednesday, August 22, 2012
What's with you two? Beary & Roman? You one and the same? Must be. You never really contribute anything worth reading so why take the chance of a carpal tunnel attack? Lots of hot air and no balloon.
Liberty 1
4:49 pm on Thursday, August 23, 2012
Good point #5.
Slyfox - "You never really contribute anything worth reading" - you responded - what does that say?
9:32 am on Wednesday, August 22, 2012
Obama creed
The political and economic philosophy of Karl Marx and Friedrich Engels in which the concept of class struggle plays a central role in understanding society's allegedly inevitable development from bourgeois oppression under capitalism to a socialist and ultimately classless society.
Amend Wun
9:55 am on Wednesday, August 22, 2012
@Bob- your correlation between Marxist philosophy and Obama is extreme at best, And doesn't site specific references as to how that is factual. It simply defines Marxism. Couldn't one then say that Romney wants to introduce a theological plutocracy? Exterminating your extreme logic even further, shouldn't we then define Jesus as a Marxist? At the very least he was a socialist, no?
Amend Wun
10:04 am on Wednesday, August 22, 2012
Sorry-that should have read extrapolating not exterminating.
10:33 am on Wednesday, August 22, 2012
Extreme? I think not. His extreme leftist views have been well documented. It will not work here in the US and I think you will be shocked and saddened in November.
1:27 pm on Wednesday, August 22, 2012
So give a few of those "Marxist" ideas...you just keep ducking the question (though you've been ask to cite specifics several times)...you just keep spouting propaganda and Fox News talking points.
So again (I don'tknow how many times you've been asked this but here we go again)...
Name, specifically...the Marxist, Socialist, non-capitalist philosophy you keep whining about but refuse to name!
Liberty 1
4:51 pm on Thursday, August 23, 2012
Mr. Blue - read his books, listen to his speeches. Take a breath and pay attention!
Joseph Finnick
9:02 am on Friday, August 24, 2012
Actually his extreme leftist views have not been documented at all. He is actually just a left of center moderate politician who the Republicans try to demonize so they can take his place. Even the so-called centerpiece socialist piece of legislation, ACA, is nothing like socialism. It forces people to purchase healthcare from private insurers. If you think that is a socialism ideal, you do not know what socialism is.
Amend Wun
10:58 am on Wednesday, August 22, 2012
@Bob- If his views have been well documented, it shouldn't be difficult to cite credible references that back up your position. We need substantive discourse, not partisan vitriol. If Mitt Romney wants to be President, I want to know why I should vote for him. Dissing Obama with extreme partisan talking points doesn't cut it. Saying, "at least he's not Obama" doesn't sway me.
John Daly
11:15 am on Wednesday, August 22, 2012
The only tactics that the Obama campaign will use is to attack what Romney and Ryan have done prior to running. When he ran for President, he had no record to defend! Now that he does, he won't talk about it because it's terrible. He'd rather divert attention to other things, such as blaming President Bush for his dismal performance of the past 4 years. When will take responsibility for his actions? At the end of another 4 terrible years, after continuing to blame a president who has been out of for 8 years?
How can the economy be considered to be improving when the unemployment rate continues to worsen? While Obama has been in office, there has not been such a high rate for a sustained period of time since the Depression!
He promised "change", via "transparency" in government, yet the only "significant" legislature promoted and passed by his administration was Obamacare. This was done through back-room deals and circumventing the Constitution's requirement of a 2/3's affirmative vote!
He promised to decrease the deficit, yet it has increased to historic levels! He continues to ignore that his policies of unrestrained spending will bankrupt the programs that he accuses a Romney presidency of threatening. This type of liberal hypocrisy continues to amaze me.
While I can't be sure that Governor Romney will do a better job as President, I know that he can't perform worse than Obama.
11:45 am on Wednesday, August 22, 2012
Your final two sentences say it all. If you believe Mitt won't be any better then there is no reason to vote for him. The last bit? There is always that chance that Mitt will be worse. I am not willing to take that chance, That's a big chance. Mitt & Ryan continue to tell us that THEY will create all these jobs and improve our economy. They have yet to provide any facts and substantial evidence to that promise.Truth be told, they spew lies and 1/2 truths just as anyone else does or have done.
They all lie, cheat and steal. You will end up voting for the pair that comes closest to your financial status. Comes down to the "haves" and "have nots". Bottom line. It's a shame that we can trust no one to help us. There is no quick fix nor is there an end to this madness.
12:10 pm on Wednesday, August 22, 2012
Obama created more jobs in 2010 than Bush created in 8 years...
That's fact.
The Federal Government work-force has been reduced over that time while the Private sector such as manufacturing is growing at a faster rate than in the last 10 years.
These are facts Mr. Daly, not Fox News just talking points...or more twisting of facts to confuse the issues or just plain BS which is mostly what I've been hearing from your side of the debate.
Why not start defending the draconian voter ID laws as "really needed to stop voter fraud" which I hear so many on the Right proclaim but is totally un-substantiated, there is not one proven case of in-person voter fraud (which is what the law pretends to protect against) in the 21st century!! Not a single proven case and only about 10 alleged cases, Go ahead and defend that BS as well!!
That's what
John Daly
12:57 am on Thursday, August 23, 2012
I pray that you are not basing your vote on the issue of voter identification. Aren't there more important issues? Or is this another way to divert attention from Obama's dismal performance?
Also, if the unemployment rate was much lower during the Bush years, doesn't it make sense that there were far fewer people out of work? Should he have created jobs for people who were already employed?
Your ignorant "MSNBC talking points" are ridiculous!
Morgan King
2:46 am on Thursday, August 23, 2012
The steep decline in job creation started in late 2005, our exchange rate with China - our primary consumer goods provider - started plummeting in 2005, the purchasing power of the dollar has been ridiculously low since the early 80s and the generation that grew up with that is now unable to afford houses and other big economy-driving expenditures - the home ownership rate has been dropping sharply since 2005. Even Obama's terrible unemployment rate started its steep upward climb in May 2008, before he was even elected. Obama hasn't been working miracles, exactly, but it's hardly appropriate to lay these problems at the feet of his administration - all things considered, seems to me he's done a pretty good job keeping things relatively functioning. This whole spectrum of economic troubles goes directly back to deregulated outsourcing, as far as I can tell - a country that doesn't make anything can't survive in a global economy for long. Romney and Ryan's Randian free market economic platform continues to foster this same strategy, oblivious to the fact that there will always be cheaper laborers somewhere else in the world
1:39 pm on Thursday, August 23, 2012
That one single issue makes me angry but so glad that in the long run, no matter what your side does, the demographics of the US will reduce your parties influence and power over time.
You know this, the Party knows this and the candidates know this (it's why you're so scared run fairly so you are trying these tactics)...and maybe you'll pull off some shady maneuvers this year and get away with it... but there's always 2014, 2016, 2018, etc...and your Party is declining in numbers and as a percentage of the population already and that trend isn't going to do anything but accelerate.
So play these games, anything to hang onto power if/while you can (it might already be too late!) but it's clear your's is a shrinking coalition and it won't be too long before the demographics do you in no matter what you do.
Your Party is scared and they should be!!
All this immigrant bashing, tax cuts for the rich, deregulation, supporting outrageous gun laws, crazy bat-shit members like Aiken and Bachman...it's just a matter of time before you're like the Whigs...people will have heard of you but wont remember even what you stood for.
1:40 pm on Thursday, August 23, 2012
Mr. Daly,
Are there more important issues than Voter ID...?? Maybe...maybe not.
I guess if I didn't get to express my will at the ballot box maybe not. Trying to reduce voting, by any side for any reason, is disgusting and un-American...and to many of us it's a very big issue.
The problem with you and the Right is you think this is a legitimate way to win an election. Use clever tactics to disenfranchise millions of voters in a way that only a certain demographic will be disproportionally denied the chance to vote. Admit it... they did it because that's the outcome they want...not voter fraud or to win on ideas but on dirty tricks and shady maneuvers, only and THEN Republicans can win.
Not by actually appealing to the majority of voters...that would be crazy huh?
If you and your parties ideas are so powerful...why are you all working so hard to stop people from voting? Isn't that a legitimate question?
there may be more important issues to me personally that will make me vote for Obama over Romney/Ryan...preserving Medicare (not a voucher system...), preserving Social safety net like food stamps, National Security (your party is a joke when it comes to defense), Women's Health/Choice, Healthcare for the poor, Fairness in Taxation (cut taxes for millionaires and expect the middle class to vote for you?), Global Trade, Immigration policy just to name a few but the coordinated efforts by Republicans to depress voting is a big, big issue with me.
11:29 am on Wednesday, August 22, 2012
Need a good laugh? Imagine Joe Biden debating Paul Ryan.
Something tells me 'ol Joe will come up with a sudden stomach bug that day...
Romney Ryan 2012, because America needs smart patriots who know how to run businesses and understand economics!
Amend Wun
11:48 am on Wednesday, August 22, 2012
@John- fair criticism of Obama, tho much of it seems to be viewed thru a partisan veil. I also don't agree with your critic of the unemployment rate but that's another debate for another time. That criticism however doesn't speak to how Romney might perform as president. To that, your last comment is a contradiction. In essence you're saying, "Romney may not do a better job, but at least he's not Obama". That's a weak platform from which to make a decision on who to vote for, especially when Romney seems to be running on the notion of continuing the same practices that put our economy in the place it is now; lower taxes for the wealthy, lower capital gains, lower corporate taxes, marginally higher taxes on the middle class, deep cuts to social services and government, reduced regulations on financial institutions and industry...not to mention his moral agenda that limits the rights of others.
12:03 pm on Wednesday, August 22, 2012
Oh, I think it will be easy to debate Paul Ryan...ask him to be specific about the legislation he's passed and the legislation he's co-sponsored.
That will be all it takes for Ryan to fall apart...
He's only pased 2 bill in the entire 16 yrs in the House...
One to rename a POst Office (wow!)
One to reduce the taxed HE pays on arrows, that he uses for his favorite hobby...archery!
That's it! In 16 yrs., yea, he's real powerhouse!!
But if you've heard of Todd Aiken (the Legitimate Rape guy)...he AND Ryan are co-sponsors on the bill he was referring to concerning "Forcible Rape".
Remember this is the guy Ryan is dis-avowing now. That legislation is designed to outlaw abortion for ALL WOMEN, RAPE, INCEST, Etc...no exceptions and even worse the language of the bill requires women to prove they were "forcibly raped"!!
Yup, that's right. Paul Ryan put that burden on women who are rape victims! He and Todd Aiken have also co-sponsored 8 other bills of a similar nature so I don't thin it will be hard for Biden to debate Ryan. As a matter of fact the more that comes out about Ryan's voting record (remember he voted for ALL Bush's unfunded tax cuts and deficit spending...even though NOW he acts like that's a crime!).
Just wait till his actual record comes out...I think Biden will have an easy time with him since he'll spend the entire debate back-tracking on his record and trying to pretend he didn't do what he did...but it won't work!
He's ON THE RECORD!!
12:35 pm on Wednesday, August 22, 2012
Great point!!!! Biden would crush him in a debate..Could you imagine a debate on foreign policy between the two..Seriously..Ryan would pee his pants!!!!
Rosemary B
1:25 pm on Thursday, August 23, 2012
Ryan is a very smart man. I have confidence he will be crushing Biden. And all you have to say about the abortion issue is ask biden why an innocent child conceived during a rape has to pay for their fathers sins with their life?
1:11 pm on Wednesday, August 22, 2012
Gee, do you think Joe could find the location of the debate. His so called foreign policy knowledge sure has influenced President Obama. I Bush were President, you guys would be protesting in the streets, the press would have headlines as to why we're still in Afghanistan. A hearbeat away from the Presidency, Joe B, OMG!!!
2:13 pm on Wednesday, August 22, 2012
We'll see soon enough won't we...actually I think the Ryan pick was a critical mistake by Romney. He can't defend his voting record, he didn't get a bounce from puttin ghim on the ticket...
And slowly but surely the Ryan "dismantle medicare" plan is goign to get more and more traction. So debate or no debate...Americans don't want to touch Medicare or Social Security. Bush proved that after the last election,
But hey, enjoy this time while you can...it won't last very long (it's already starting to unravel!)
louis kootsares
1:18 pm on Wednesday, August 22, 2012
the thought act passed 2009 another piece of garbage to take away 1st amendment rights... a journey of a 1000 miles begins with a step 2nd amendment rights just check what is happening with hilary and the conference with china and the other countries trying to disarm our citizensmore ayahtolla obahma trash along with obahma care too much government trying to enslave us .. there are none so blind as those who follow ayahtolla obahma to the slaughter like the lambs they are
1:58 pm on Wednesday, August 22, 2012
How will Mitt/Ryan fix THIS type of problem - a guy we know hasn't worked a steady job in over 5 years. He was laid off and then collected unemployment, had that extended, then extended again. Drinks beer starting at 9am each and every day, makes sure he has his keg replenished every week, smokes about 2-3 cartons of cigarettes every week, asks his mother in law to help pay the mortgage (she "loaned" him about $5,000) which he never will pay back, goes on interviews, gets hired and then they lay him off right away because he is a jerk. He went through the career link programs but nothing comes up & when it does he makes sure they lay him off.
Now, THIS has type of blatant, ignorant use of government money has to stop but how do you make that happen? How does this system get all screwed up like this? I am sick of working every single day to support lazy losers like this. How can this be stopped? Millions use the system as this loser does and it makes me sick. Oh yeah, he also went to a phone store, said he dropped his I-phone (he was drunk at the time) so they gave him a FREE phone – he pays about $40 a month. My family doesn't even spend money like that. He gets it all for FREE! Makes us sick that this happens.
Tim Lewis
9:02 am on Thursday, August 23, 2012
You forgot the part about the food stamps, where he is paying for premium ice cream, steak, shrimp, and all sorts of good things with food stamps, while you stand there with a loaf of bread and some peanut butter because that is all that is left in your food budget. (sorry, this is not a cliche, but my everyday experience for the last 40 years.)
1:58 pm on Wednesday, August 22, 2012
On the other hand, an idiot mowing a public area with a commercial stand up mower scraped my husband new truck with the rubber coated handles and you could SEE it was a perfect match yet our insurance company said, oh well you can't prove it so get it fixed yourself.
See? There is no such thing as karma as much as I would hope. Bad things happen to good, honest people and good things happen to bad people. Makes no sense. Just makes me mad.
4:27 pm on Wednesday, August 22, 2012
Liberalism is constipation of the Brain, Big Government is not what this Country was built on, you ask how is your President a Marxist? Pleae don't insult my intelligence with your leftist views. Captilism will always conquer socialism , end of story. As I said earlier today go get your hybrid Prius with your peace decal on the back and I'll fire up my truck and my Harely which both run on premium fuel and we can duke it out, lol , OBUMBLE GONE 2012
Morgan King
10:10 pm on Wednesday, August 22, 2012
I think it's really sad that you repeatedly correlate a person's identity and the value of their thoughts with their choice in vehicles, both yours and his. If the best counterpoint you have to someone you disagree with is 'Oh yeah? Well I drive a truck' in contrast to the vehicle you are pretending they drive - as if that was some indicator of your authority or masculine righteousness instead of the sad pervasiveness of Like A Rock commercials - you probably shouldn't be involved in the discussion in the first place. To save you the trouble of coming up with another apparently-emasculating Liberal vehicle to imagine me driving, in case you were planning on it, I, too, drive a truck - it's a stick, even! - though mine runs just fine on 87 gas.
10:29 pm on Friday, August 24, 2012
That's right i asked... and you cowardly didn't answer, just blew smoke about insulting your intelligence but didn't answer the question.
I've said this 100 times and still you and the rest of these kool-aide drinking Right Wingers never seem to answer the question.
Its getting funny.
I bet if you reply you still won't answer the question...i laugh every time.
Insult your intelligence... you did that with your weak-ass response!
Come on, answer the question.
Name these Marxist, non capitalist policies...
Amend Wun
4:58 pm on Wednesday, August 22, 2012
@Bob- I'm still waiting for you to add anything of substance to the debate. Calling people names and trying to have a contest to see who's manhood is bigger isn't intellectual by any means. Further, it might be helpful to not confuse terms, in that capitalism is a form of economics where socialism is a governmental structure. All modern democracy are based on a socialistic premise as they collect taxes in return for services. Trying to act like capitalism is a form of governance is short-sighted and mistaken.
Bob's Dad
9:32 pm on Wednesday, August 22, 2012
Dear Bob, a fat guy on a bike isnt tough. You have to acutally pump iron.
Anyway as bad as the Democrats are, the Bush years proved worse than the Clinton years. Wasnt it under Regan we started outsourcing jobs? Look I dont want socialism, but the Repubs want to cater to the trickle down theory and greedy corporations that refuse to generate jobs and just give more to the CEO's. The CEO's say look I cut jobs and made the company more money, therfore I deserve more money.
People need good jobs not Rush Limbaugh bologna or fat guys on loud motorcycles.Women will never vote for anti-choice and I wont vote for anything that messes with my retirement benefits that I have paid into my whole life.
Mallison Schwartz
9:00 am on Thursday, August 23, 2012
I Dont even know where Willow Grove is. But at least I voted for Obamacare !
Joseph Robert
9:28 am on Thursday, August 23, 2012
How could anyone trust Romney-Ryan to lead the country since they both like to distort and lie so much?
For instance, look how much Paul Ryan avoids telling the truth....
According to a recent analysis by Politifact, a nonpartisan watchdog and Pulitzer Prize winner, Ryan rarely gives true information in his public comments. Politifact reviewed 14 statements that Ryan has publicly made over recent months and found that of those statements:
Four were "mostly false."
Four were "half true."
Two were "pants on fire" (equal to incredibly false)
Two were "true."
Two were "mostly true"
In total, that means 10 statements were inaccurate, and 4 were true or mostly true. In other words, he was accurate 28 percent or less than one-third of the time.
Learn more at:
Liberty 1
1:32 pm on Thursday, August 23, 2012
I looked at the website and to say that it is non partisan is a bit of a stretch. For instance when I looked at Romneys statements it considered false when he states that Obamacare robbed from Medicare. Why did it consider it false? Because of the term "robbed". One of the first things libs do is play the semantics game.
9:42 am on Thursday, August 23, 2012
why does ryan want to end the social security death benefit that he used himself to pay for his education?
1:58 pm on Thursday, August 23, 2012
Why hasn't anyone answered your question? Good question, too.
10:16 am on Thursday, August 23, 2012
Had an eye exam yesterday and the optometrist wanted to set me straight on this upcoming election, you see. He spoke of Mutt & Jeff as though they are God #2 and the Holy Second coming of Jesus Christ. He was just about frothing at the mouth and spittle dribbled onto his shirt. They will wield their magic wand and all will be okay. That's because we need the republicans to take care of us little people who don't know what's good for us. He insisted that we need these Holey Men to save us. No one, NO ONE can do what they can.
As I mentioned the problems that they will face, he insisted and became quite irritated that I could not and would not agree with him. He blew me off and said, "There is no sense talking to you about this". What a dolt.
10:16 am on Thursday, August 23, 2012
Moreover, he stated according to his "facts" that this country is in such bad shape because of the Democrats. Never mind about the Republicans, they never caused anything bad to happen here. All the issues started with the Democrats and the republicans never pay anyone off or receive funds from interest groups. He said that is hogwash. Only the Democrats are that underhanded. Years ago with the increase of taxes, the wealthy that had companies pulled out and went overseas instead of staying, employing AMERICAN people and paying their fair share. They picked up, scooted and ran from the country that gave them everything they have. I wish I would be so privileged.
Therefore, if the republicans win and nothing changes I am sure my optometrist will liken that to an unforeseen problem that the Democrats made happen to begin with and it will take longer than expected.
I mentioned the ridiculous "voter proof of ID" now in place, even though there has NEVER been proof that any fraud voting has occurred in the state of Pennsylvania and he said, "Of course there was". Asked him to prove it and again he ignored me.
I guess it will all be okay when we bow down to God #2 and Holey Jesus Christ. Suppression and control.
You bet that's what I want for my future. Take from the middle & give to the top. Again. Still.
1:46 pm on Thursday, August 23, 2012
Anyone that stomps on a woman's choice to have an abortion is from the middle ages and deserves no respect or vote.
To fix this economic mess all those in office should be denied any & all health care for themselves, families and friends. They should be forced to purchase health care just as millions of Americans do. Sick of the free rides on both sides. They all need to get slapped into reality & begin to pay their dues. Taxes too. Am so tired of the loopholes only those "in the money" can afford to jump through. Sick of it.
Mallison Schwartz
2:03 pm on Thursday, August 23, 2012
Slyfox, your an idiot ! And because your an idiot, I want your help in my reelection campaign. We need to let those crazy, right wing, Republicans know that big government IS the answer. You , me and Obama can tax and spend our way to fulfill our great socialist agenda. Yes, eventually we will run out of tax payer money, then we can just raise the debt ceiling and borrow some more. Who cares, our grandchildren will be paying for it. OBAMA 2012
Joseph Finnick
2:36 pm on Thursday, August 23, 2012
Mallison, I don't think you understand the debt ceiling, taxes, or the economy in general. You make fun of others calling them idiots while using the wrong form of "your." You and people like you are what is wrong with politics today: not the politicians, not the economy, not even SuperPACs and the absurd bias in all news sources, but you because you are misinformed and assume everyone who disagrees with you is a fool, which therefore perpetuates the problems with the politicians, the economy, SuperPACs and news bias.
On that note, please do us all a favor and keep to yourself before you continue hurting our political world.
2:07 pm on Thursday, August 23, 2012
@Mallison - nice comment. Nice name calling. You do that everywhere on "The Patch". You're too smart for me! Thanks for your input.
2:17 pm on Thursday, August 23, 2012
Government has NO business telling me what to do with my own body. Abortion needs to stay legal. How dare anyone attempt to change that. Abortion is a choice and it should remain so.
Tim Lewis
6:15 pm on Thursday, August 23, 2012
How dare you selfishly call it "your own body". Whether by God's design or nature's evolution (whichever you are so inclined) it is not. It is your body + another body. No way around it, it doesn't belong only to you.
Joseph Finnick
9:04 am on Friday, August 24, 2012
@Tim.. that was ridiculous. Is that just for women or men? If we all share each other's bodies shouldn't we be a socialist nation? I am just way too confused by your statement.
4:28 pm on Thursday, August 23, 2012
I find it hypocritical that the right wing is anti big gov't and wants a less intrusive gov't but wants to stop all abortions. Please tell me how it affects anyone besides the mother and the glob of multiplying cells within her body? You have no right to force your religious beliefs on anyone else. It is none of your business. Stop trying to regulate and impose your ideals on everyone else.
Rosemary B
5:16 pm on Thursday, August 23, 2012
As a society we have agreed that murder is wrong. I don't think that is solely a religious belief. Yet it is ok to murder a baby in utero? That "glob" eventually turns into a baby then a child and then an adult. It seems like it is still murder to me, no matter when it is committed. That is the ugly truth about abortion. It is not just some nameless, faceless, harmless "choice". You are ending the life of another human being. Be pro-"choice" if you want, but accept the fact that you are really pro- murder.
5:32 pm on Thursday, August 23, 2012
I disagree with your belief that a newly formed embryo is a human being. Although it will eventually turn into a human if all things go well, the bottom line is that it is not human yet and could not survive on its own out of the uterus, therefore I do not consider abortion within the first trimester murder. The only thing that would happen if abortions were made illegal is an increase in back ally coat hanger procedures and an increase of pregnant women intentionally doing bodily harm through ill advised diet or drug use to "naturally end the pregnancy." If a women really does not want to have the baby and end her pregnancy she is going to do it regardless. So now because you think you are doing good, you are making a bad situation even worse.
5:01 pm on Thursday, August 23, 2012
@ Liberty 1... Not sure I understand your comment, can you please explain / articulate what you mean? I am not sure where being pro-choice equals being a little nazi... If you truely wanted liberty IE what you wrote in as your screen name, you would be pro-choice as well along with pro-legalization, pro-gay marriage etc. These are all personal liberty issues that I do not feel is anyones business but the individual. I think the nazi's would be the ones forcing their belief systems on others.
5:06 pm on Thursday, August 23, 2012
GOP = Shrinking the government just small enough to fit into your bedroom. Hypocrites, all.
Liberty 1
5:16 pm on Thursday, August 23, 2012
" the glob of multiplying cells within her body". It is a baby, nazi. Just as the germans declared jews not to be human and felt free to exterminate them and just as the democrats in the south declared blacks to be non human and enslaved them so are you pro - abortion advocates, nazis. I believe in choice. People CHOOSE to do things to get pregnant. Start taking responsiblity for your actions and stop killing a human. How do you know I am not pro-legalization? What exactly are my views on homosexuality?
11:04 pm on Friday, August 24, 2012
Hey Liberty1,
Why don't you shut up about things you can't possibly understand... such as whether a woman is killing a child when she decides to terminate a pregnancy...calling someone a Nazi really pissed off.
What about a child that's raped and becomes pregnant, or something like incest?
I know a person like that and you have no freaking idea what they went through. Calling them a Nazi shows what an idiot you are.
So don't you dare call someone who might have to make that terrible decision a Nazi you moron, you sound like a total jerk, you have no idea but your constant diarrhea of the mouth has gone a little far if your calling someone a Nazi..i read some of your crap posted here and that was the most stupid...and that's saying something when it comes to you!
Until you are confronted with a decision like that...you should grow a set and apologize.
Liberty 1
8:34 am on Saturday, August 25, 2012
Oh boy! Mr.Blue took a breath!!! I heard you foot stamping all the way to my estate. Get control of your emotions will ya? Why couldn't I "possibly understand" abortion? I am not a Jew but I can understand the Holocost. I am not black but I can understand the racist democrat policies that have always kept me down. You bring up a very extreme example (no shock there - you ARE a lib) of a child raped or incest, well what are the percentages of that? There are many more abortions due to not wanting to face the responsibilty of their own actions as pleasurable as it may have been.
I call abortion supporters nazis (and will continue to do so) because they, like the Germans of the 30's & 40's, have no problem doing away with innocent lives by declaring them not human.
Mr.Blue, don't worry, I don't see you as a nazi. Most Germans were not Nazis, you are more like the guy in the street extending his arm crying "sieg heil" as der fuher drove by, with tears of joy running down your cheek.
Yea, maybe I am a total jerk. So what?
5:25 pm on Thursday, August 23, 2012
This is where we disagree. I do not believe it is a human being at conception. Nothing you can say will ever change that. I looked to science to form this belief. The embryo will eventually turn into a human but at its initially early stage it is really just a glob of multiplying cells. This is why expecting mothers do not announce they are pregnant until after the first tri-mester... There are lots of things that can go wrong in the first 3 months of development and the process of becoming human. It is also none of your business what another person does to their body at anytime. Stop trying to intrude on others and take care of yourself.
Reputable Median
6:30 pm on Thursday, August 23, 2012
"Abortions for some, miniature American flags for others." --Kang
Tom Coombe
7:14 pm on Thursday, August 23, 2012
Can we get you to leave this comment on every political story?
Reputable Median
7:16 pm on Thursday, August 23, 2012
It's all about finding the right balance and telling people what they want to hear ; )
linda spreeman
7:46 pm on Thursday, August 23, 2012
I generally stay away from political posts because everyone tries to convince everyone else their side is best, and it's a waste of breath. What bothers me is the stalemate that occurs in Washington DC with "Republicans" and "Democrats" essentially holding the entire country hostage based on their party laurels, rather than what is "best" and for the "greater good." I suggest all politicans be required to take (or re-take) Philosophy 101, bag their "party" distinction, and vote as representatives of the people. Period. <Linda Spreeman, King of Prussia>
Tim Lewis
8:29 pm on Thursday, August 23, 2012
If you are saying that smaller government with limited power, a strong national defense, and upholding traditional values, is how you define "what is best for the country, then I agree! If you are talking about a cradle to grave, know everything, anything goes relativist, statist government, then sorry - I'll take a stalemate any day!
Joseph Finnick
9:11 am on Friday, August 24, 2012
Then you didn't understand the point of her post and don't understand that a stalemate in Congress is the worst outcome. It makes us seem weak and undecided as a country. The stalemate about the debt ceiling caused us to lose our rating (yes, we did raise it, but we were seriously talking about not paying America's bills, something that if you know people were thinking about doing as private citizens you would be appalled).
Decision is almost always preferable to nothing.
Liberty 1
8:45 am on Saturday, August 25, 2012
A Congress in stalemate is much better then one working against a free people. Who cares how we look to other nations? We are NOT like other nations, we are BETTER then other nations, so why are we trying to become like those failures in Europe? Our ancesters left there for a reason.
And a decision to do nothing is still a decision.
linda spreeman
10:40 am on Friday, August 24, 2012
Thank you Joseph! Exactly what I was trying to say. <Linda Spreeman>
Both Stink
11:46 pm on Friday, August 24, 2012
I was kind of hoping the Republicans were going to give me a good Canidate with good ideas. I was hoping I would have to actually sit and and take time to evaluate which person actually cares about the average American family. However I am disappointed with Mitt and Ryan. At least Obama gives the illusion he cares about us. Mitt and Ryan pretty much outright say your screwed. So unless Mitt can really impress me during the debates (which I doubt) it looks like Obama will be getting my vote.
Liberty 1
8:39 am on Saturday, August 25, 2012
Be honest will you? What you are saying is that you prefer to be lied to, that's good. Which republican would you have wanted to see? No matter who headed the ticket your post would read the same because you want to try and give the illusion of being "independent". You fool no one with your dishonesty, kind of like Obama.
10:41 am on Monday, August 27, 2012
Heres the thing with pro-life vs pro-choice. Most of the pro lifers view it as a difference between a medical procedure and a baby where as most of the pro-choicers view it as a difference between a medical procedure and a coat hanger.
Mary B
11:43 pm on Monday, August 27, 2012
Here's to you Linda S.... You hit the nail on the head! If it wasn't for the obstructionist club on the Hill, President Obama would have accomplished more than he was able. What this country needs is citizen/voter engagement, zero tolerance for self serving compensated representation, the same gusto, perserverance, and committment to maintaining our liberties as the men and women who gave their lives to uphold what this democracy was created to be. All must come from the citizen who holds precious his/her right to participate. All of this polarizing dialoge in this forum won't get that job done, won't protect the middle class, and sure as hell won't protect the environment which sustains all of us.
Liberty 1
1:24 pm on Tuesday, August 28, 2012
His first two years he had an overwhelming majority in both houses of Congress. He still has his democrat led do nothing Senate. To blame it on the House is why you guys are laughed at so much!
3:25 pm on Thursday, August 30, 2012
Agree, Rosemary. Add publically funded campaigns and fair and enforced trade agreements to the list.
Liberty 1, why all the endless lies? Overwhelming majority? The House had a number of Democrats from conservative districts who cared more about their careers than the interest of the country. Republicans obstrcuted and slowed down all that they could. Their tactic was soooo predictable. Plenty of Democrats were predicting they'd later claim Obama could have done anything he wanted to. From 2008 - 2010, all we heard was Republicans screaming Obama is going to fast and would make a mistake as a result. Now, they claim he didn't do anything when he had a chance. People have to be really stupid to fall for that.
Liberty 1
7:09 pm on Thursday, August 30, 2012
Well, he did win 2008. Oh, you were not speaking of Obama voters?
Name one conservative left in the democrat party. A real conservative not just someone right of Pelosi or Obama. There are none. They were purged long ago. It is fun watching the undefendable being explained away by the unintellegent.
9:09 pm on Thursday, August 30, 2012
I am truly scared. I don't understand how so many educated people would continue to support someone who hands out money, like it is free. We are not even getting a return on the money. Tax the rich? Take it all, it's still not enough! Wake up! It is unsustainable. Please think this through. It is not about abortion, race, wall street or even the rich, we must stop spending and make people responsible for themselves. The government makes nothing! We must let individuals reap the spoils of their labor. Invent things without regulations and taxes. Make our country what it used to be. Our current path is unsustainable! How will we ever be able to repay our debt? EVERY country that has tried our current administrations form of government has or is failing!
11:07 pm on Thursday, August 30, 2012
The real fact is that about 75% of welfare money goes to children and the elderly. These are people that cannot help themselves. Fact is the gov't has always had these programs but tax rates are lower now than they ever have been. The deficit is due to 2 wars not paid for and a stimulus to prevent a depression. Its not due to entitlement programs. Both parties lie, both parties will continue to spend money regardless of who is elected. Congress is the entity that sets the budget not the president. With that being said social issues are important. I would never vote for a party that treats women, minorities, gays, muslims, immigrants, drug users etc as second class citizens. So yes it is about a womens right to choose, about gay marriage and other social issues because fiscally both parties will do the same thing. Oh my household makes less than $250,000 a year so based on every article I have read, Romney / Ryans plan will increase my taxes while lowering those who make more than me... Why would I ever vote for him?
11:31 pm on Thursday, August 30, 2012
Who is treating Muslims as second class citizens? If you use and/or abuse drugs that's a problem but second class citizens? Minorities as second class? Women as second class? And the best immigrants, didn't you forget the word illegal? Where do you get this stuff? Who pays for those illegal immigrants? How do we keep track of the taxes they don't pay? I am kept track of! Why is it wrong to prove you are who you say you are to vote? Give it all away until there is nothing left, that is your plan! Give the money, citizenship, freedoms... Why are there so many people in the country that don't pay any taxes at all? Surely each citizen should pay something, no? Why do people file returns and get back more than they payed in? You say that the majority goes to children. Are you speaking of those single mothers with 4 and 5 kids, who keep having kinds and increasing the money given to them by the government with each birth? Yea that's really helping! We need to have people be responsible for themselves. Bottom line, we can not efford the current administration any longer. It is that simple. We cant keep floating bonds from China! Just think of the resources they will own.........oil, coal, fresh water, land, farms, they are not dumb....and soon it will be a fire sale!
10:34 am on Saturday, September 1, 2012
Brunell provides us with the results of the massive war that was declared on our President is one that stirs, fear and hate via psychological manipulation (propaganda) messaging of a man of color who "hands out money, like it is free."
The dog whistle campaign of insinuating that the President of the United States, (the first President who happens to be a man of color) steals and lies. He's not an American, he doesn't understand America, he's the food stamp president, how could he possibly have earned scholarships and attended elite educational institutions...we need to see his transcripts! Republican politicians embracing public disrespect of the Office of the President, by screaming out "you lie" during the Presidential State of the Union Address, and then rewarding ones self by taking money for that disrespectful behavior. Of course, for the first time in history we also have the Commander in Chief, who is publicly mocked by Republican politicians and their surrogates, after ordering the killing of bin Laden. Then come the repeated flat out lies at the Republican convention.
To add to that Republican's at the State level have created voter ID laws based on promoting suspicion of minorities and young voters committing in person voter fraud.
9:11 pm on Thursday, August 30, 2012
My last comment has one mistake. The government does make one thing, voters to support their jobs.......
10:59 am on Saturday, September 1, 2012
No one believes that the government "makes" things. However, the Government of the United States has always invested in America and the American people to assist in providing pathways for opportunity in building our country, businesses, and achieving the "American Dream." Infrastructure, clean up after mother natures devastation, the GI Bill, clean drinking water, transportation, energy, national protection.
Why is it that we never hear those Republican's who tout their family history of working hard and receiving government help to make their level of living conditions possible, saying thank you rather than dismissing and condemning.
Why don't Republican's publicly recognize that they receive a public funded government pay check, gold plated health insurance, and a lucrative pension.
Why don't Republican's mention all the connections to business opportunities, education institutions for their own children, and of course the jobs/ career opportunities that their children are afforded and score, because of their names.
I would include the Democratic politicians in these comments. However, it is the Republican's who (pretend) that they are not government and they and their families do not reap great financial rewards, positions, and careers, curtesy of being a member of government.
3:35 pm on Saturday, September 1, 2012
That is the problem. It used to be when you worked for the government it was a public service job with a lower salary and slightly better benefits. Now, it is in major run away with both pay scale and benefits. Who pays my pension? ME! Who pays my health care, my company pays about 12k a year for me and I pay 900 per month for my family. When my non-matching 401k goes down, who funds the loss? ME! Not the taxpayers. The Government takes 2 billion dollars of funding a day to run. When will this stop? The government should provide infrastructure. However, the minority participation laws, prevailing wage, and other restrictions are driving the cost of building this infastructure out of this world! Who pays....the TAXPAYER! For every government program(restrictions), there is an army of government workers to insure that the small businessman/contractor is following the rules. So it's a double cost, the cost to implement the regulation and the cost for the regulation itself. It's got to stop.
Liberty 1
9:49 pm on Saturday, September 1, 2012
You are right Brunell! It has gone from public service to the servant public.
11:52 pm on Thursday, August 30, 2012
Ego_Death,stimulus to prevent a depression? What happened to the billions of stimulus spent on the solar companies? What jobs were created there? How will the American people be paid back for that? Just to push a policy? Please....who's pocket did that line. What political cronie did that pay off? How about GM? When the original GM was "closed" the administration decided who would be paid not the laws of the land. Time to repay my voters.....But the banks that were first tier creditors were left high and dry. Of course the government had to dump the money back in, who would lend them money if they had no collateral? The collateral and legal agreements mean nothing now! 200+ years of laws and a system of government fundamentally changed in 4 short years.....what a shame!
9:31 am on Friday, August 31, 2012
It wasn't Billions it was millions and investment in alternative energy is 100% necessary. More RnD is needed in all aspects of solar and wind energy. The sun provides life, is a constant energy source for the next 5 billion years or so. I do not feel sorry for any banks that got screwed as they have been screwing us for years and are the main cause of the financial collapse. Again all politicians from both sides of the political spectrum will do this. Look at all the laws (wiretap) that Bush broke. Just because your guy isn't in the white house. You really think things would be different if McCain and Palin were in there or that Mitt and Ryan are going to preform some sort of miracle and turn the economy around by going back to the policies that caused the collapse to begin with?
Lower Saucon Guy
7:42 am on Friday, August 31, 2012
It certainly wasn't changed in four short years. Why don't people want to own up to the fact that George W bankrupted multiple private companies before he was elected and an entire country during the eight years he was in charge. Obama stepped into a situation, I don't know why anyone in his right mind, would have wanted. Now, it's all his fault. You talk like Romney/Ryan are going to save the country. Isn't going to happen. They'll never make it to office despite the lies and Koch brothers commercials. I've ,personally, always despised politics and wouldn't trust a word they said. To listen to them rattle off what they're going to do for the country makes me sick. It never happens and won't happen with Mitt either. At least, when he looses, he won't be able to blame voter fraud. Now have a nice day, I'm going to make a peach pie and enjoy what time I have left on this earth.
Bill L
10:57 pm on Saturday, September 1, 2012
Lower Saucon Guy, did you ever take the time to really trace the financial crisis back to its roots? Ever hear of Acorn? National People's Action? Community Reinvestment Act? I love how you guys blame the banks for "causing the mess" but skip right past the fact that Obama, Holder, and Clinton set in motion the entire housing crisis after Carter established the Act in'77. Look it up. Obama bullied the banks into lending to credit-weak inner city minorities. And now the banks are to blame?
Bill L
10:58 pm on Saturday, September 1, 2012
"The Obama camp's running a new ad reminding African-Americans of all he's done for them as they weather an economic crisis he "inherited." Left out is his own role in their predicament. The press has never questioned the president about his involvement. But his fingerprints are there.Before the crisis, Obama pushed thousands of credit-poor blacks into homes they couldn't afford. As a civil-rights attorney, he sued banks to rubberstamp mortgages for urban residents.Many are now in foreclosure. In fact, the lead client in one of his class-action suits has since lost her home and filed bankruptcy."
Bill L
11:00 pm on Saturday, September 1, 2012
First some background: Obama focused on "housing rights" when he worked as a lawyer-activist and community organizer in South Side Chicago. His mentor – the man who placed him in his first job there – was the father of the anti-redlining movement: John McKnight. He coined the term "redlining" to describe the mapping off of minority neighborhoods from home loans.
McKnight wrote a letter for Obama that helped him get into Harvard. After he graduated, he worked for a Chicago civil-rights law firm that worked closely with McKnight's radical Gamaliel Foundation and National People's Action, as well as Acorn, to solicit lending-discrimination cases.
At the time, NPA and Acorn were lobbying the Clinton administration to tighten enforcement of anti-redlining laws. They also dispatched bus loads of goons trained by Obama to the doorsteps of bankers to demand more home loans for minorities. Acorn even crashed the lobby of Citibank's headquarters in New York and accused it of discriminating against blacks. The pressure worked. In 1994, Clinton's top bank regulators signed a landmark anti-redlining policy that declared traditional mortgage underwriting standards racist and mandated banks apply easier lending rules for minorities.
Bill L
11:04 pm on Saturday, September 1, 2012
In the run-up to the crisis, Citibank underwrote thousands of shaky subprime mortgages to satisfy the court in Obama's case. Defaults were common. When home prices collapsed, most of the loans went bust.
His lead African-American client, Selma Buycks-Roberson, who was denied a loan due to bad credit and low income, got her mortgage only to default on it years later.
She got a foreclosure notice in 2008, according to The Daily Caller website, along with many of her Chicago neighbors. By putting them on the hook for loans they couldn't pay, Obama did them no favors. Blacks have been hit hardest by foreclosures. But what does Obama care? The Caller reports he pocketed at least $23,000 from the Citibank case. Today, he blames the devastating wealth drain in black communities on subprime mortgages. He says "greedy," "predatory" lenders tricked poor minorities into paying higher fees and interest rates. But Obama was for subprime loans before he was against them. "Subprime loans started off as a good idea," he said as those loans began to sour in 2007.


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