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Republican Senator Scott Brown faced off against Democratic challenger Elizabeth Warren Thursday night in a debate televised by WBZ-TV. The Thursday debate was the first of four planned tilts between the candidates, and it saw disagreement between the two on just about every topic.
Polls have seesawed over the last week, with Brown and Warren swapping small leads, as they have throughout the campaign. The debates may provide one or the other an opportunity to change voter minds and swing the election his or her way.
Central to the debate Thursday was the focus on taxes, jobs and the economy.
"He has said he will defend the top 2 percent and the top 3 percent...and will hold the other 98% of families hostage," Warren said, referencing Brown's position against extending the Bush-era tax cuts unless it also contained cuts for the country's top earners.
Brown countered by noting that Warren's policies would raise taxes, on everyone, in fact, it's the "first thing she looks to do," he said.
"And the criticism is that I don't want to raise taxes," he said. "Guilty as charged. I'm not going to raise taxes. I'm going to protect taxpayers' pocketbooks and wallets."
Who do you think won the debate? Did the back and forth change your mind about the upcoming election? Did the candidates answer the questions you had? Tell us your thoughts in the comments below.
Elsa Aviza
2:56 pm on Friday, September 21, 2012
Warren won ! Scott Brown was arrogant, rude, childish and untruthful.
Omi Cantor
3:17 pm on Friday, September 21, 2012
couldn't have said it better but you left out the fact that Brown lied about his voting record which can be found on line. Elizabeth Warren was accurate
3:20 pm on Friday, September 21, 2012
I give the edge to Brown, but I thought both candidates served their positions well.
But Brown being arrogant, etc.? Were we watching the same debate? I remarked to some colleagues this morning that I appreciated the debate last night in that I thought the questions were fair and balanced, it was fairly moderated, and both candidates were prepared and civil.
3:40 pm on Friday, September 21, 2012
I love these characterizations - Brown didn't lie about his voting record, he explained his votes, which he did very well, btw
The implied lies were by Warren, for example, characterizing Brown as not for women's issues because he did vote for Elena Kegan. Brown's explanation was more than plausible - he did vote for her because she didn't have enough experience on the bench. Where's the lie?
Cheryl Tully Stoll
3:51 pm on Friday, September 21, 2012
Elsa, that covers what I was going to say! Thanks for getting here first.
3:52 pm on Friday, September 21, 2012
I think FindBalance is quite mistaken: Scott Brown has been running ads saying he supports womens rights. Yet he voted for the Blunt Amendment - which lets your boss decide if women may have contraception, and against the Lily Ledbetter Fair Pay act which ensures that women get the same pay as men - for the same work.
Lastly, Scott Brown voted to give billions of tax dollars to the oil industry in the form of subsidies - he's giving *my* tax dollars to the most profitable companies on the planet for no good reason at all (except so that they can help funnel dark money back into his campaign). Redistributing my tax dollars to oil companies does not help my small business or my hard working family.
4:16 pm on Friday, September 21, 2012
I guess we're at opposites, RS - I think you are mistaken about why he voted for the Blunt Amendment – and I challenge your ridiculous characterization that it lets your boss decide if women may have contraception. Any woman is allowed any contraception she'd like, and an employer cannot prevent her from attaining it. But your position is that an employer must be *made* to *include it* as part of her compensation package, even if contraception goes against the employers conscience. Is that where we are – we have to rely on the govt to dictate to our employers what the compensation should be for our jobs?
Also, you may be surprised that I agree with you on oil subsidies – cut them out gradually, so as to have minimal impact on the economy, transportation, etc., but do cut them out (and do not replace it with giving subsidies to solar and wind companies).
6:14 pm on Friday, September 21, 2012
Hey look, Joe, someone's gotta give an alternate point of view. ;-)
5:12 pm on Sunday, September 23, 2012
Warren is lying mean spirited crusty old wombat, who enjoys taking jobs and money allocated for minorities. I have seen enough of her to be truly afraid for my wallet if she gets in.
David Nolta
8:06 pm on Sunday, September 23, 2012
Now THAT's an argument, John Ford. Well reasoned, mature, and supported with evidence. At least you admit that fear is your primary motivator.
Dr. Priscilla Cogan
3:07 pm on Friday, September 21, 2012
Brown arrogantly thinks he is the arbiter of someone else's family ethnic heritage. He also thinks that one has to "look like" a Plains Native American to be one. Whether he knows it or not, he is doing racial stereotyping. Shame on you, Sen. Brown.
3:33 pm on Friday, September 21, 2012
"Brown arrogantly thinks he is the arbiter of someone else's family ethnic heritage."
What does that even mean? And Warren has never proven that she is American Indian, just has stories of that heritage from her family. When you're applying for things from applications to colleges and Harvard Law School professor, you better be more sure of your heritage than stories from your family.
10:52 am on Saturday, September 22, 2012
There isn't a whole lot of information available to prove or disprove...if Elizabeth Warren says she is part Native American then who is Scott Brown to say otherwise and why does he raise the issue? Is a person part Native American not good enough to run for the office he currently holds?
12:09 pm on Sunday, September 23, 2012
Marlene - You sure don't understand the issue. She is perfectly welcome to run for political office if she is Native American. The issue is that she checked a box that gave her an advantage (else why check the box?) for important things (acceptance to college, Harvard Law Professor job) without being of that heritage - that is an issue that goes to her character.
3:13 pm on Friday, September 21, 2012
Elizabeth Warren stuck to politics, specifically Scott Brown's votes in the Senate - which will surprise most MA voters who are not yet aware that he very often votes the Republican party line, instead of our best interests. I found Scott Brown to be petty, personal, and regurgitating worn out talking points. In my view, Elizabeth Warren won the debate on substance and maturity.
3:45 pm on Friday, September 21, 2012
Brown very often votes R, yet he is the 2nd-most bi-partisan Congressman, based on his votes. Which charactereization do I believe - the statement by RS, or the facts based on Brown's votes?
And so far, almost eveery post here has consisted of character assassination of Brown - typical Saul Alinsky tactic.
9:18 pm on Friday, September 21, 2012
Brown follows the republican leadership less than 60% of the time. What has Warren said that makes you think that she will not fall in lockstep with the Dem leadership on every vote?
Omi Cantor
3:19 pm on Friday, September 21, 2012
Hooray for RS- she has it right but more importantly Elizabeth Warren has it right.
3:47 pm on Friday, September 21, 2012
Warren is right that more govt control of everything is the solution?
4:09 pm on Friday, September 21, 2012
Warren was careful to state there should be balance. Big difference. A system that favors big money interests rigging the system is not balanced - and definitely needs to be regulated... to bring things into balance again where voters and businesses can thrive together.
4:22 pm on Friday, September 21, 2012
Not quite accurate, RS - Warren advocated a balanced approach *only* for reducing the deficit (or debt), not in her governing philosophy. And we know how that works from when Reagan trusted Tip O'Neil with the same concept - raise taxes now on the promise of long-term spending cuts. The spending cuts never materialized on O'Neil's side - fool me once, shame on you; fool me twice, shame on me...
Annie Libbey
3:49 pm on Friday, September 21, 2012
I wasn't swayed one way or the other. Still undecided. Looking forward to the next three debates.
David Honen
4:16 pm on Friday, September 21, 2012
I would like to know if and when Scott Brown verified his background. I know I have never verified that I am half Irish, 25% French and 25% Italien, I accepted what my parents told me. Oddley enough I look nothing like the Irish side of the family. It appears I look very much like my great grandfather in Italy, at least that is what his daughter (my grandmother) told me. All in all a good story, and no I have never checked it. How many reading this have checked theirs?
4:23 pm on Friday, September 21, 2012
I have not checked mine either. Who does? This is how information becomes distorted as it is passed from generation to generation.
4:26 pm on Friday, September 21, 2012
DH - It is irrelevant whether Scott Brown verified his background - he didn't check a minority box that gave him an advantage for college acceptance, a job, or anything else. That is what is relevant about Warren not having verified her background - she checked boxes that would give her an advantage (why else check the box?); when you do that to get into a college or get a Harvard Law Professor job, you should be damn sure of the heritage you are claiming.
6:08 pm on Friday, September 21, 2012
When you list yourself as a minority for personal gain, you darn well better have the documentation to back it up. She doesn't, so that makes her a liar for personal gain in my book.
John Tehan
11:06 am on Sunday, September 23, 2012
Interestingly, there's an incident in Scott Brown's past where he embellished his own ancestry. When he first appeared in Cosmo back in the 80's, he was interviewed by the NY Times. He told the interviewer that he was the great-grandson of Arthur Prentice Rugg, a chief justice of the MA Supreme Court in the 19th century, and he found it funny to be studying briefs in law school that were penned by his great-grandfather. Two days later, the Times had to print a retraction, when it was discovered that Brown and Rugg were only distantly related.
Original article: http://bmgmedia.s3.amazonaws.com/wp-content/uploads/2012/07/NYTRugg.pdf
Retraction: http://bmgmedia.s3.amazonaws.com/wp-content/uploads/2012/07/NYT-Rugg-correction-001.pdf
To everyone who is outraged that Warren claimed Native American heritage, where's your outrage at Scott Brown for this bit of mendacity?
Robert Sudol
4:24 pm on Thursday, September 27, 2012
John Tehan, You are misrepresenting the article regarding Scott Brown and Arthur Prentice Rugg. The relationship was defined by the author of the article, Judy Klemesrud. Had it been stated that way by Scott Brown it would have been quoted. So the misrepresentation was the fault of the author and editor.
Concerned Citizen
5:01 pm on Friday, September 21, 2012
It is very easy to check your heritage these days...Ancestry.com
You actually get "accurate" information, not hearsay or family lore. Why wouldn't you want to do it?
larry Williams
5:08 pm on Friday, September 21, 2012
Elizabeth Warren is for the working people.. You only saw the barn coat & the pickup truck during the election (last time ) soon has he got elected it was smoking cigars with the guys in the back room. Stick to the issues scott, and forgot about picking and chosing which vote will bring you more votes. I my opinion elizabeth warren won the debate.. Scott Brown is a sheep in wolfs clothing beware.....
5:20 pm on Friday, September 21, 2012
larry - What are you talking about? What evidence do you have that he was smoking cigars in the back room, or that he is a sheep in wolf's clothing? What makes you think he picks and choses which vote will bring him more votes?
5:28 pm on Friday, September 21, 2012
Oh, and Warren may be for the working people, but if she is elected, she will work to give them what she thinks they should have, when she thinks they should have it (govt solutions and govt control, because she knows best; after all, she is Harvard intellectual elite).
Brown is also for the working people, but his efforts are focused on providing private sector jobs that allow the middle class (and everyone) as many opportunities as they wish to pursue.
5:09 pm on Friday, September 21, 2012
DH - Smart people don't really care what box she did or didn't check off. It's really a non-issue. It's not even a "character" thing. She did a fine job in the debate. She seems nice enough. She seems smart. But, I'm not hearing anything but "buzz phrases" from her. Scott has done mostly what he said he would. I like that even if I don't agree 100% of the time. I'm not crazy about the Blunt Amendment. But, I'm not going to like every single vote no-matter who wins. It was a waste of her time to paint him as against women. You can't just vote one way because it's "liberal" or "for women" just BECAUSE. As someone who has voted "D" since I turned 18, I'm sick of the left voting left just to be on the left. It's too much. Sorry DPH.
Neil Herzig
5:17 pm on Friday, September 21, 2012
Warren's main platform preaches a philosophy of "leveling the playing field". Come on! Seriously what does that really mean and how does she propose to accomplish this? She points to big oil, big banks, and big business as the main problem and depicts these industries as bullies taking advantage of all of us. Certainly, I'm not claiming they are pure "as the driven snow", BUT if it weren't for big oil, big banks, big business most of what you have around you right now (including what you are reading this on) would not exist. These industries supply us much of the resources that we take for granted, but more importantly they differentiate the United States and elevate our standard of living above and beyond the rest of the world! So think carefully about Warren's philosophy and the "unintended" adverse consequences the next time you flip on the lights, turn on the flat screen, and fire up the IPod while the heat automatically flows through your refinanced home with the attached two car garage where your SUVs are parked after you took the highway back from the mall. THINK CAREFULLY!
Theresa Live
5:23 pm on Friday, September 21, 2012
The notion that one must produce papers to prove your racial heritage is ridiculous. One might as well demand that all white people who check the caucasian box must be able to prove their ancestors never mixed with other races. I found Scott Brown's insistence on repeating this topic to be a cheap ploy meant to distract from the important real issues of this political campaign.
5:32 pm on Friday, September 21, 2012
Character is an important and real issue, Theresa. Checking the Native American box for few college or prestigious job positions without knowing that you are truely of that heritage is simply gaming the system. And a Cuacasian box is never used to give a Caucasian an advantage when applying for college or a job.
John Tehan
11:13 am on Sunday, September 23, 2012
FindBalance, I have to agree, character is important, and misrepresenting your ancestry shows a lack of character. See my post above, where I described how Scott Brown misrepresented his own ancestry in an interview with the NY Times - who are you going to vote for now?
12:25 pm on Sunday, September 23, 2012
Let's say you are right, John - was Brown trying to be get something out of an anecdotal story he gave in an interview? Probably not. And by the article, it says he is related to the judge, anyway. Brown did not use that story repeatedly, either, like Warren did/does. So, on balance, what Warren did is far more disgraceful than what Brown did.
John Tehan
12:36 pm on Sunday, September 23, 2012
@FindBalance, you think Brown "probably" didn't seek any type of gain with his story, so that's good enough for you? Warren has repeatedly explained that she also did not seek to gain anything by relating an anecdotal story about her ancestry - why is that not good enough for you? Brown has no proof of his assertion that she ever "checked a box" to gain any advantage. Based on anecdotal family history, she listed herself in a registry of professionals with Native American heritage. This heritage was not used to gain access to law school, or in gaining employment. That's "probably" good enough for me to say that it's not an issue - if it's not good enough for you, it's because of your partisan blinders.
Robert Sudol
4:54 pm on Thursday, September 27, 2012
John Tehan, You are misrepresenting the article regarding Scott Brown and Arthur Prentice Rugg. The relationship was defined by the author of the article, Judy Klemesrud. Had it been stated that way by Scott Brown it would have been quoted. So the misrepresentation was the fault of the author and editor.
Regarding partisan blinders, Elizabeth Warren admitted the heritage statement and the concern is whether she received an advantage over another minority that should have received the advantage. Were I a minority that applied for the same positions, I would justifiably be outraged. Why take an article that speaks about Brown that clearly has quotes from him and state a point the author made outside of the quote as being said by him? But even so, let's assume he did state that and he hoped to gain from it as he did state "modeling...so I can make a lot of contacts..." . That was done to publicize his desires as an entertainment lawyer. There is no comparison to disregard for affirmative action or Equal Opportunity Employment.
5:59 pm on Friday, September 21, 2012
I hated Brown's smirking and personal attacks. So uncalled for. But that may be all he has.
5:59 pm on Friday, September 21, 2012
Elizabeth Warren did NOT gain any job or other advantage due to her PROVEN 1/32 minimum amount Native American heritage. Therefore this is a false issue.
6:11 pm on Friday, September 21, 2012
Gordon - Why did she check the box if she did not think it would give her an advantage?
And the system is set up for the very reason to give someone an advantage who check a minority box, so it is unlikely that her Native American status was not taken into consideration, but that is an aside. The issue is that *she* checked the box. Again, why would she do that if it was not to give her an avantage?
6:12 pm on Friday, September 21, 2012
Proven? Where????? It's been DISPROVEN! And she won't even meet with the Indians in her tribe to discuss it. And how do you know she didn't gain any advantage? Do you read minds as well?
8:11 pm on Friday, September 21, 2012
I have to agree with FindBalance. Elizabeth Warren's heritage isn't the issue - the issue is why did she check that box? She's a smart and very well educated woman - surely she knew the purpose of that box on the application.
It doesn't really matter whether or not the University considered her heritage in hiring her. The plain fact that she checked the box, knowing that it might give her an unfair advantage that she wasn't really entitled to. And, now that she's been called on it, she comes up with all kinds of fanciful excuses about how her Grandmother told her she had "high cheekbones".
Does she really think Massachusttes voters are dumb enough to believe that?
This whole incident shows her true character. And it's not pretty.
Joe Sousa.
7:08 pm on Friday, September 21, 2012
Scott Brown Hands Down!
We need him to return to the Senate
dave Hornfischer
7:27 pm on Friday, September 21, 2012
Does it really matter? They have three more and the only poll that matters is the one on election day.
Most would say their current favorite won!
Most media folks I heard thought Brown won however .
Linda Worthy
7:47 pm on Friday, September 21, 2012
Brown has been misleading about Warren's involvement with Traveler's insurance.
"...she was fighting for an arcane but important principle in taking on the (Traveler's) case: the constitutionality of allowing bankrupt companies facing a flood of lawsuits to form what are known as trusts. The trusts are large bank accounts that set aside money for current and future victims."
@Concerned Citizen -- In my family, which arrived in North America during the 1640's, there is a story from two distinct sources that a male ancestor married a Native American woman in New England. If you think Ancestry.com has records about that, you're silly. If you think that census records, birth/death/ marriage certificates, etc. always have "accurate" information, you probably think you have something in common with Romney.
Brown has walked a fine line during his brief tenure as Senator as a result of a special election. With a full term, Brown will become a lock-step Republican and he'll vote for a Supreme Court justice who will overturn Roe v. Wade. You all better hope that your grandsons never gets their 16 year-old girlfriends pregnant.
9:20 pm on Friday, September 21, 2012
Really, Brown has a proven record here in Massachusetts and inthe U.S. senate of working with the other party. I guess your democratic colored glasses won't let the facts in.
Concerned Citizen
8:09 pm on Friday, September 21, 2012
We just need to go back 150 years, not 350 years.
Elizabeth Warren will be a lock-step Democrat, and nothing will get done in Washington. Even Democrats don't care for her. She is a polarizing figure. Senator Brown is Pro-Choice and supports funding Planned Parenthood. Scare tactics regarding Roe vs. Wade are just scare tactics, as are the "Senator Brown is anti-women" falsehoods that Elizabeth Warren is trying to spread. Talk about dirty politics!
10:57 pm on Friday, September 21, 2012
It's not dirty politics; Scott Brown needs to take responsibility for the way he votes on women's issues.... see the Blunt Amendment and Lilly Ledbetter Fair Pay act. He can't vote against women and also expect their support.
John Tehan
11:18 am on Sunday, September 23, 2012
Democrats don't care for her? Which Democrats are you seeing? I see thousands of Democrats donating millions of dollars to her campaign, making phone calls, walking door-to-door and otherwise working to get her elected.
Elsa Aviza
8:54 pm on Friday, September 21, 2012
If being a native American of any percentage guarantees you a professor's position at Harvard then I highly advise those individuals to apply. After all those pure white,Christian Europeans who "discovered "your land owe you I think. I guess what the nay sayers are saying is that Elizabeth Warren's education, experience and intelligence were not part of Harvard's decision in hiring her.
9:23 pm on Friday, September 21, 2012
Harvard promoted Warren as their FIRST NON-WHITE FACULTY HIRE. I guess that where her experience and skills took over.
11:51 pm on Friday, September 21, 2012
I like your post, Elsa. The native American issue is a big NOTHING and if it were Scott Brown who had that issue then you would hear a chorus of Republicans saying we were whiners. Well, I guess it's their turn. This issue will do the opposite of hurt. I now feel it helps as Brown handled it brutally cruel!
12:35 pm on Sunday, September 23, 2012
Boy, more people who don't understand the issue. Elsa and Linda - of course not just any Native American could get the Harvard job. But by checking the box, Warren was trying to get an advantage (unfairly, since she has not proven her Native American heritage) over other qualified candidates, most of whom are not Native American.
11:02 pm on Friday, September 21, 2012
... if you think it's okay for him to send your tax dollars to highly profitable oil companies, through federal subsidies. Then, yes, he's the candidate for you.
10:33 am on Saturday, September 22, 2012
yeah, I guess you're right. Oil companies don't pay enough taxes. Currently 41 percent compared to 26 percent for the rest of businesses in Standard & Poor's 500. Majority of what folks refer to as subsidies are actually tax credits to encourage exploration & production, including accelerated depreciation for capital. Let's take all that money and invest in ventures like Evergreen Solar and Solyndra. Yeah let's do that instead.
Robert Sudol
5:06 pm on Thursday, September 27, 2012
Yes , maybe we should tax oil companies more so they can then raise the cost of fuel more. Then everything else will cost more. Every item in a supermarket and any other store needs to be transported there. How would raising the cost of fuel benefit the consumer?
11:37 pm on Friday, September 21, 2012
Eliz. Warren far better in debate; she was accurate & fair, while he was childish & lost his cool more than once. He attacked her & I thought he was out of line re: her job as counsel for ins.company/which was explained on the news today. He is a Republican & kept referencing Kennedy & other Democrats & his record as independent; Brown is a Republican - no matter how indep. he keeps telling the voters & his 'concepts' for the US are about business/ not people.
12:44 pm on Sunday, September 23, 2012
pcworld3 - Brown was childish and lost his cool; were we watching the same debate? Just more character assassination from a liberal.
I could participate in character assissination, too. I could say Warren was meek and mousey, and that shows she doesn't have the gumption to fight for the people of MA. But I won't, because I thought she *performed* well, even though I disagree with the majority of her positions.
And Brown's concepts are about people and prosperity for all through private enterprise, whereas Warren's concepts are about "taking care of the people" through govt control, govt programs, and govt-provided solutions. When you think about it, Warren's concepts are more about govt deciding what is right and just for people.
11:48 pm on Friday, September 21, 2012
AOL and WBZ I believe are corporate clones so many on here will I am sure give the edge to Brown BUT not I. Earlier I did BUT the more I thought about it the less I liked him. I thought Brown was a BULLY and his comments that she does not look like a native American were unbelievably moronic and worse cruel. It would be like saying I do not LOOK Jewish. What can one get from looks? NOTHING. My thought was why doesn't this boar just take a DNA sample from her.
The more I thought about it the more I concluded he was as DESPICABLE as Romney and as the Republican Party is in general. The fault is not Romneys the fault is what the Party is selling. It's selling cruelty, anger, racism and basically NOTHING. It is selling tax breaks for the ultra rich. THAT is why his campaign is tanking. The product stinks and Brown is part of that product as well.
I rethought my original feeling about the debate and now think Elizabeth is SO far and away the better candidate and most importantly she is far and away the better person. I love her and only regret I have but one vote to give to this incredibly brilliant and politically astute candidate. If Mass. passes her up shame on us! She is THAT good.
12:55 pm on Sunday, September 23, 2012
Wow Natalie - you've gone from being in the middle to far to one side in the blink of an eye - curious; not sure who won the debate all the way to "[Warren] is THAT good".
Do you know why Brown brought up Warren not having Native American features? Because Warren said she has high cheekbones as evidence of her Native American heritage. Warren opened the door herself!
You are right about 1 thing - why doesn't Warren take a DNA test and put this all to bed?
And more character assassisination, painting Brown as a bully and despicable. Is warren a bully and despicable for buying foreclosed properties in Oklahoma and evicting the residents? Or is she for the middle class?
Also, the Republican party is selling hope to all Americans by proposing plans to create sustainable private sector jobs, not to spend more taxpayer money for jobs that will go away when the govt has no more money to spend.
Milford Patch Reader
12:08 am on Saturday, September 22, 2012
Elizabeth Warren comes off as judgmental and angry again and again. She doesn't want to play the game; she wants to preach her point of view. She definitely is biased and will only vote with her party. This is a super intellectual that will get nothing accomplished in Washington. Not a team player, just a holier than thou type.
Scott Brown offers a choice and seems to be pretty moderate. He truly is a public servant with his military and years in office. I think all the politics of campaign is just there to confuse us. In the end, Scott will be more effective as the guy in the room that knows how to get things done through years of experience and a vote that needs to be won over on the Senate floor - not a rubber stamp for either party.
1:10 pm on Saturday, September 22, 2012
I think the "angry" line has become a standard attack line in Republican politics. That's what they called President Obama too - he's not an angry person, and nor is Elizabeth Warren. Scott Brown is moderate only in his political ads - when it comes to voting, he takes the corporate and GOP party line, because that's who pays him now and will also pay him once he is voted out of office.
1:05 pm on Sunday, September 23, 2012
MPR - If you take out the reference to Warren coming off as judgemental and angry, your other points need are plenty to show who Warren is, and what she will do.
RS - Read the posts in this blog again - of those who attempt to incorrectly paint their candidate's opponent as arrogant, bully, angry, the ones against Brown outnumber the obnes against Warren by about 10 to 1. I find that "Democrats" use character assasination way more than "Republicans" do, but since it seems to work so well for them, I can understand why "Republicans" would be tempted to do the same.
1:08 pm on Sunday, September 23, 2012
RS - Also, I find it confusing how you can believe the "Brown takes the corporate and GOP party line" line of thinking, when Brown is the 2nd-most bipartisan Congressman, and has a long record of bipartisanship in the MA legislature.
7:33 am on Saturday, September 22, 2012
RS-Your repeated inference that Scott Brown is against women as exhibited by his vote on Lily Ledbetter leads me to point out it is the Lily Ledbetter Fair Pay Act of 2009. Scott Brown assumed his US Senate seat in Feb. 2010. It's one thing to disagree with Brown's voting record, quite another to simply make it up.
1:18 pm on Saturday, September 22, 2012
That is not true and is well documented that Scott Brown voted against the Paycheck Fairness Act as recently as June this year. If we stick to the facts of Scott Brown's voting record, it is clear his campaign ads say one thing, but he does another. See this Boston Globe article for the facts: http://bo.st/LjCDvI
Bill C
8:06 am on Saturday, September 22, 2012
I just find it hard to believe a Harvard professor who makes $350,000 a year to teach 1 class, and has a net worth of approx. 15,000,000, is in touch with middle class families who are barely scraping by, working 2 jobs and up to their heads in student loans, with college graduate children living at home unemployed. Warren is part of the problem
1:23 pm on Saturday, September 22, 2012
Why do you have a problem with Elizabeth Warren achieving the American Dream?
She earned her success. And she wants more, not less Americans to have an opportunity to be successful too. That's not hard to understand at all.
1:17 pm on Sunday, September 23, 2012
RS - I re-read Bill C's post - I don't see him say or imply he had a problem with Warren achieving the American Dream. He said he does not believe she is in touch with the middle class.
And how would she provide more Americans with an opportunity to be successful, if she demonizes as the problem corporations, banks, and the private sector - the very things that provide (through competition, not through govt mandate) Americans with opportunities to be successful?
Ray Fellows
10:10 am on Saturday, September 22, 2012
I just can't take Warren seriously, she's as phony as a three dollar bill but of course that is normal for a liberal. She tries to be an average Joe but comes off as a pompous condescending fake.
She cant even own up to her lies and that bothers me. I love the term for her "Fauxcahontas". :)
10:48 am on Saturday, September 22, 2012
Let's not forget Scott Browns child molester cover-up by refusing to assist law enforcement in bringing in a child molester. That says a lot about his character to me but it didn't get in the way of his election. His ambition got in the way of helping to save future victims
Listen to the 1:45 minute mark
Warren is by far the best choice!
1:23 pm on Sunday, September 23, 2012
Brown was the victim but now somehow he is the criminal. Where is your compassion, Patty - oh, that's right, your compassion is for everyone but Republicans.
10:56 am on Saturday, September 22, 2012
For me, the best explanation for why Warren is running came from one of the Democratic Party leaders at their convention, who said (paraphrasing) "Scott Brown may vote with us some of the time, but Elizabeth Warren will vote with us ALL the time".
She's not running to represent the best interests of Massachusetts - she's running for highly partisan political reasons. And that's not in the best interests of Massachusetts.
11:13 am on Saturday, September 22, 2012
And for me, while I am a solid Warren supporter (and she did a great job facing Brown's snarkiness (the contempt every time he spoke the word 'professor' was palpable) during the debate, I find Brown the most 'barely tolerable' Republican since the last one I voted for (Ed Brooke), Brown still has an R next to his name. That means that his election could lead to GOP control of the senate, which would putting reactionary right wing obstructionists into positions of majority leadership. That to me is enough to hopefully convince some fence sitters to vote Warren
1:28 pm on Sunday, September 23, 2012
By using the term "Professor", Brown was respecting the highest professional position that Warren has attained. If he hadn't used "professor" would you have complained that he didn't respect the level she attained?
Concerned Citizen
11:42 am on Saturday, September 22, 2012
Neil Herzig,
Great comments about our banks, corporations, and the oil industry. As you say, Elizabeth Warren rails against these groups as though the United States can function as a society without them. She believes they are all evil across the board. I think Elizabeth Warren's view of the economy is simplistic and irrational. I don't find her to be the intellectual that the Democrats tout her to be.
Linda Worthy
11:48 am on Saturday, September 22, 2012
Am rather bored by the folks who describe Warren as a "Harvard professor who makes $350,000 a year to teach 1 class".
She began as an elementary school teacher. I believe she was a single mother when she went to law school and is now considered a national expert on bankruptcy law.
So, Bill C., if your daughter made that kind of journey, you'd be singing her praises, taking credit for instilling the virtue of hard work in her, and hailing it as the American Dream come true. Instead you are petty and small-minded.
@RayFellow -- have you ever wondered why almost no one responds to your posts?
1:33 pm on Sunday, September 23, 2012
Linda - you didn't need to call Bill C petty and small-minded, so please elevate the discussion.
To the issue of Warren making $350k for 1 class - great for her (if she completely earned it ;-) The real point is that Warren criticizes the cost of hihger education, but her salary is a significant part of the reason - if she were to be elected as Senator, it seems to me that she would be conflicted on this...
greoumina rodgers
12:02 pm on Saturday, September 22, 2012
with the exception of CA and NY--granny warren wouldn't be taken seriously for anything but a tenured school teacher. she looked like her usual foolish self.but out Here in our little looney-bin we call Massachusetts we just love her and have the cult-like following to prove it. you go granny!!
Judy Riegelhaupt
12:20 pm on Saturday, September 22, 2012
Elizabeth Warren did an excellent job of giving her positions and pointing out Brown's votes. He simply cannot run from his votes on the Blunt amendment and tax bills which support the very rich. Most importantly, she pointed out that having a majority of Republicans in the Senate will affect future Supreme Court appointments and chairmanships of important committees. Brown is likely to vote with the Republicans on these two issues. Think, think about a Republican majorith in the Senate.
1:24 pm on Saturday, September 22, 2012
Don't forget Scott Brown's vote against the Paycheck Fairness Act - to stop women being cheated out of money they earned fair and square. See http://bo.st/LjCDvI
1:38 pm on Sunday, September 23, 2012
Jusy, you said "Elizabeth Warren did an excellent job of giving her positions and pointing out Brown's votes."
Agreed - I thought she did a good job doing that.
And you said "He simply cannot run from his votes on the Blunt amendment and tax bills which support the very rich."
I disagree with your characterization of "running from his votes", and I disagree that he cannot explain them reasonable. I believe he did both own up to the votes, and explained vey well his reasons for his votes.
Bill C
12:35 pm on Saturday, September 22, 2012
I am tired of people in this state blindly voting for someone just because there is a d next to their name. The rest of the country laughs at this state. Just a corrupt nanny state.
12:56 pm on Saturday, September 22, 2012
If that is how you think Bill, you could move to a red state.
1:44 pm on Saturday, September 22, 2012
Scott Brown is trying to convince voters that he's really as good as a Democrat (hence all the Democratic-lite endorsements). So if he's all that, then why doesn't he just switch parties? The answer is that he isn't all that Democratic, and it shows in his voting record.
1:41 pm on Sunday, September 23, 2012
You're right, RS - he is rather independent and leans to the right, and it shows in his voting record!
Concerned Citizen
2:26 pm on Saturday, September 22, 2012
Bill C,
Linda and Patty obviously don't have kids in college. The escalating cost of higher education has a stranglehold on middle-class families, who are bankrupting their finances trying to put their kids through college. And Elizabeth Warren IS part of the problem when she is earning $350K to teach one course at Harvard. You can't portray yourself as a proponent for working class families while earning an outrageous salary at their expense. How is that fair? How does that benefit the middle-class?
And Bill C, you are not "petty" or "small-minded" as Linda suggested. You are a hard-working Dad concerned that your kids can't get a job after graduating from college, while you struggle to help them pay off their college loans. I'd call that a good parent!
3:13 pm on Saturday, September 22, 2012
Concerned Citizen,
What would you say to your child if they ended up teaching at Harvard and earning $350,000 for teaching one course? Would you try and make them feel guilty? Correct me if I am wrong, but I would think that a large number of Harvard graduates end up earning far more than $350,000.
1:44 pm on Sunday, September 23, 2012
Patty, I'm sorry but you missed what the issue is - it is not that Warren makes $350k a year - good for her! It is that she criticizes that college is too expensive, yet her salary is part of what drive up the cost of college - she can't have it both ways.
Moderate from Massachusetts.
2:35 pm on Saturday, September 22, 2012
I guess it is all in the eye of the beholder. I didn't feel that Senator Brown was smirking. He came across as an honorable and dedicated son, father and public servant in my opinion. I feel he has priven to be a defender of the women in his life that extends to all women. Scott was well spoken and truthful. He votes with and for the people of the Commonwealth.
3:23 pm on Saturday, September 22, 2012
Patty et al, How come it's laudable for Liz Warren to make $350,000 a year, but Mitt Romney's success is a problem for you? Sounds like a double standard to me.
3:46 pm on Saturday, September 22, 2012
Where did you see me say or write that Mitt Romney's success was a problem for me? Please get your facts straight and go back and read my comment to Concerned Citizen again. Thank you.
Dennis Wilson
3:42 pm on Saturday, September 22, 2012
I don't get all the yelling about Warren's salary. Has someone done a search to determine the pay scales for professors at MIT, Stanford, Yale, Harvard, etc? It seems that he same people who have a problem with Warren's salary, have no problem with Romney's wealth. And what about the recent news that Romney claimed less in deductions for charitable donations than he could have in order to keep his tax rate from dropping below 13%. This appears to be deliberate manipulation for the sake of politics.
If Elizabeth Warren worked her way up to a point where Harvard wants to pay her $350k to have her name attached to their university instead of Yale, more power to her. From time to time, I've seen news stories about the competition between Ivy League schools to get & keep top ranked professors. The competition is fierce and the money is big. She'll take a pay cut if she becomes a Senator.
And Concerned Citizen, how do you know how many kids Patty or Linda put thru college? And how do you know Bill C. is a father at all? He didn't say he was. He made a general statement about financial issues facing many Americans. On an earlier post, you said "I don't find her to be the intellectual that the Democrats tout her to be." What is your basis for making such a statement? Let's see your credentials. And your birth certificate : )
1:49 pm on Sunday, September 23, 2012
" in order to keep his [Romney] tax rate from dropping below 13%" - Dennis, and the proof of this is...?
"I don't get all the yelling about Warren's salary."
Here is what all the yelling about Warren's salary is about (and btw - I say "good for her") - from a previous post:
it is not that Warren makes $350k a year - good for her! It is that she criticizes that college is too expensive, yet her salary is part of what drive up the cost of college - she can't have it both ways.
8:50 am on Monday, September 24, 2012
Dennis - Warren is complaining about the high cost of higher education while at the same time sticking her hand in the students pockets. As long as it increases her income, just like claiming to be a native American, Warren is all for it.
Ron Goodenow
4:30 pm on Saturday, September 22, 2012
Universities at the Harvard, MIT, Columbia etc. level do not pay professors to teach courses so much as to advance knowledge and thereby the reputation of the school -- like it or not they have legions of untenured faculty to teach many courses. High status profs like Warren (hired mainly because she is among the very best in her field, not because of a cheekbone or checkbox) include huge numbers of graduate students in their research in place of simply teaching them in lecture halls -- and that research brings in millions of dollars, new buildings, etc. Many of these schools offer enormous amounts of financial aid (I believe about 70% of Harvard students get significant help, sometimes with parents asked to chip in a bit) and have need blind admissions policies. If you were to run down the list of academics who provide input into the Romney campaign I am sure you would find salaries that would make you gasp. Hells Bells guys you want to go to a socialist system where the state sets all salaries regardless of merit? You want to depress research so we fall further behind the rest of the world? The problem here is that the costs to provide good higher ed are not only expensive, but the recession, and lack of public assistance and investment in public higher education is making it harder and harder for young people and their parents to pay. It has nothing to do with Elizabeth Warren.
8:32 pm on Saturday, September 22, 2012
I love it when folks like you step in with the facts and not just sound bites! Bravo!
1:56 pm on Sunday, September 23, 2012
Patty and Ron, you miss the issue:
it is not that Warren makes $350k a year - good for her! It is that she criticizes that college is too expensive, yet her salary is part of what drive up the cost of college - she can't have it both ways.
Actually, Ron touched on that, but I disagree that it has nothing to do with EW - it does. In a free market, her salary would go down, as would the cost of college. When you introduce public funds, it artificially keeps the price of college and professor salaries high.
If Warren were elected to the Senate, that would be a conflict of interest and bias on her part if she provided public monies that would help her pay colleagues and kindred spirits (profs in colleges and universities) salaries.
4:44 pm on Saturday, September 22, 2012
Patty, Sorry, but it seems to be for most Dems. That seems to be the number one problem for most of the Dems that I know. If his wealth (which he earned) is no problem for you, please pass that along to the other Dems you know. Thanks.
8:57 pm on Saturday, September 22, 2012
I don't have a problem with how much money anyone makes as long as they pay their fair share of taxes. I for one want to see Romney's back taxes to see if he took part in the 2009 IRS amnesty program for international tax dodgers.
Elsa Aviza
8:08 pm on Saturday, September 22, 2012
Not sure what you are saying Joescarp. I just want to know why you are all upset that a woman professor at Harvard is paid the same as a male professor at Harvard. Oh yuh, i remember Scott Brown doesn't think women should be paid the same as proven by his voting record not his claims. By the way how much does the National Guard pay him every year? That is 2 days a month and 2 weeks a year. In 10 years of recent wars why has he not been sent to Iraq or Afghanistan? I know he went for 5 days this year which he spent I heard in a hotel in the Green Zone in Kabul. Many of Romney's so called "moochers" with the National Guard are young kids who have been on multiple tours.
9:41 pm on Saturday, September 22, 2012
RS-You don't seem to understand that the Paycheck Fairness Act and Lily Ledbetter are two distinct pieces of legislation. It is patently false to contend, as you did twice above, that Brown voted against the latter as he was still in the MASSACHUSETTS Senate at the time the billed was decided upon.
10:12 pm on Saturday, September 22, 2012
So, Scott Brown sits down at the dinner table with his wife and 2 daughters and says, I am going to vote against equal pay for women and not allow women to make their own choices about their bodies, sound like a good plan.
10:59 pm on Saturday, September 22, 2012
From: USA Today
"The paycheck bill was aimed in part at putting Senate Republicans in tough races in the hot seat over a key women's issue. One, Massachusetts Sen. Scott Brown, issued a statement emphasizing his support for pay equity but calling the legislation "the right cause but the wrong bill."
"On the heels of last week's dismal jobs report, the last thing we should be doing is putting more job-killing burdens on small businesses and employers," he said.
Tweeted challenger Elizabeth Warren: "Scott Brown voted NO on Paycheck Fairness, telling MA women he thinks it's ok that they continue to earn less than men."
My take on what Brown said is that women will have to wait until the economy improves. We have waited long enough!
2:05 pm on Sunday, September 23, 2012
My take is that Brown is looking at the bigger picture, and willing to consider something more reasonable that achieves equal pay.
BTW, serious question, because I do not know - do these equal pay bills make sure others, like males, get equal pay as women get for equal jobs? Because I know of many women who get paid more than males for the same job, even if the averages may be against women.
David Nolta
10:31 pm on Saturday, September 22, 2012
That's a very ambiguous comment, John! Just so long as you know.
Linda Worthy
10:35 pm on Saturday, September 22, 2012
Hey John -- great image. Smacking a woman around.
If others find John's comment offensive, perhaps they will also click "Flag as inappropriate".
Linda Worthy
10:54 pm on Saturday, September 22, 2012
John's gone...that didn't take long at all.
Perhaps we all should use "Flag as inappropriate' more often.
Max Walker
12:42 pm on Sunday, September 23, 2012
I like Scott Brown and voted for him in the last election, but with a heavy heart I won't be voting for him this time around. My reason is simple. I am really tired of the uncompromising do nothing Republican legislators. It's important not to cede the majority in the senate and if possible at all, make some gains.
Max Walker
5:06 pm on Sunday, September 23, 2012
Findbalance writes: "To the issue of Warren making $350k for 1 class - great for her (if she completely earned it ;-) The real point is that Warren criticizes the cost of hihger education, but her salary is a significant part of the reason - if she were to be elected as Senator, it seems to me that she would be conflicted on this..."
The Republicans who are all about meritocracy will not mind this. She worked hard, and got to where she got to. This is what Harvard pays its top scholars. Deal with it. Yeah there are lots of ways to make money -- start and run a successful business, study hard and become a great doctor, be an entrepreneur, or become a sought after scholar. Don't know why Republicans get all hot under the collar only about the last option.
5:31 pm on Sunday, September 23, 2012
I can tell you why. Let me give an example - Mitt Romney works hard for his money, but the Democrats want to make what he makes an issue, like being successful and earning tons of money in the private sector is a crime. Just watch the next Obama for President commercial if you do not believe me. BTW I am pretty sure Obama never broke a sweat, has he ever worked? Like a regular job before he went into politics? Did he go from traveling the world, then Hawaii, then straight to Harvard was it? then it was off to Chicago? Where did he get all his money? He certainly doesn't have a history of working somewhere or anywhere where we can all see where he worked and how much $$$ he earned like we can with Romney now can we??? Its funny how I hear all this whining about MONEY from Warren and Obama, who seem to have lots of it, but no one else is allowed to be wealthy, and certainly no one dares call them out on how much they have and make, or how they obtained their money. Bottom line is if you enjoy paying higher taxes then vote for thin lizzy, if you do not vote for Brown. If you enjoy entitlements, vote for liawatha, if you do not, vote for Brown.
6:26 pm on Sunday, September 23, 2012
There is nothing wrong with being successful. That is the American Dream.
But when your success is built on vulture capitalism (which is the opposite of building companies), and then you want to run as an economic boom magician, people are going to call Mitt on that, and that is what's happening. The only prosperity Mitt creates is his own (which, again is fine). But this is in contrast to people who build companies like Warren Buffet, Bill Gates etc...
David Nolta
8:03 pm on Sunday, September 23, 2012
John Brown--Is it "Lizzie's" thinness you resent? Or that she puts you in mind (inexplicably) of a wombat? Romney's work--including a lot of outsourcing of American jobs--is the murkiest of all fields of inquiry. Like pulling teeth with him, to have him explain anything that he's done. You haven't, by the way, given "an example" when you said that "Mitt Romney works hard for his money"--you've stated a belief, without any details. Romney, who comes from a political family with some pretty scandalous baggage, has never worked as hard as President Obama over these past four years. I don't necessarily love that my taxes go toward keeping up the roads you drive on, educating your children (I am speaking generally, not providing specific "examples" such as you pretend to provide), keeping you safe and fire-free--but then, fear of taxes is not what motivates me. And you might want to adopt a slightly more mature tone when you talk to and about women--you're on record as treating most people shabbily on The Patch, but especially females. Don't you care about their votes? Typical conservative.
Ron Goodenow
9:52 pm on Sunday, September 23, 2012
Max, what worries me is politicians on the public payroll basically attacking private universities and demanding things like personnel records. Harvard, one of the world's great universities, and a private corporation, has made it clear that Ms. Warren was not hired because of a box she checked, whether wisely or unwisely. I think Brown is way out of line here. He is not only suggesting Warren is some kind of dishonest sleaze (although probably not in the 47% LOL) but that Harvard somehow is, unless his opponent releases personnel files which she does not own. This is dangerous stuff. If Obama attacked a university or IBM or anyone else in terms of their hiring practices the Barack the socialist, communist, whatever howls would be out in force. Aside from all this, I don't think most of these critics have a clue as to what they are talking about in terms of how universities hire people. Lets get on with issues, votes, etc. I was always somewhat sympathetic to Brown. But when he signed on to the Blunt amendment I starting going south. Now I am running south, and from what some of my friends and neighbors say, I am in good company. Oh, if Warren or many other Harvard profs went into the free market they would be paid a heck of a lot more. The GOP positions is sheer politics, and dangerous ones at that.
9:04 am on Monday, September 24, 2012
Max, I am confused - you copy my post that says I have no problem with Warren's salary, and compliment her for her attaining that level, then you talk about how Republicans have shouldn't have a problem with this. I don't! But I have a problem with her being critical of the cost of tuition, to which her salary contributes.
6:40 pm on Sunday, September 23, 2012
You obviously have no idea what a private equity fund does, or what private equity fund managers like Mitt Romney do all day long. They quite literally invest in dying businesses, and create start up businesses as well. You wanna call it vulture capitalism go ahead, at the end of the day it creates jobs without tax payer money or Govt assistance
6:53 pm on Sunday, September 23, 2012
Warren could care less about MA citizens. She's Obama's hired gun to carry out his national agenda. This was obvious in the final 5 min's of last week's debate when she went off about how Republican majority will replace the head of the EPA.
Wake up, we're being played.
Max Walker
7:34 pm on Sunday, September 23, 2012
If Republicans want folks in the northeast to vote for them, they should try to convince their southern wingnut brethren to move to the center. We who live in these parts don't think unyielding cretinism is any recipe for solving the world's problems.
David Nolta
7:48 pm on Sunday, September 23, 2012
Oh Goodness, another anonymous, unsupported declaration--implying knowledge of so many things--how much Elizabeth Warren cares about MA citizens (she cares a LOT, unclklebuck, which you would know if you ever listened to her); President Obama's gun-hiring and national agenda (about which, clearly, you know less even than you know about Elizabeth Warren); and how we are being played. Explain that again, "unclkebuck"--you are not playing us, but we are being played? I'm tellin' ya', these anonymous posters love ta' fling it, because they are so full of it.
Elsa Aviza
8:28 pm on Sunday, September 23, 2012
I just hope no-one speaks to his daughters the way that he spoke to Elizabeth Warren. Very chauvinistic. Hey where is the answer to Scott Brown's salary as a Colonel in the National Guard? As well has his salary at his Pentagon position, plus his Senators pay and any money from his legal cases. They must all be part time jobs right? Since he thinks her salary is an issue A man who has never been called to serve in either Afghanistan or Iraq over the past 10 years. Are officers too good to serve? His initial training was in infantry training at Ft. Dix. Once he got his law degree was he too important to send to fight the Republican led wars? As a Guard member not on deployment he goes 2 days a month and 2 weeks a year. Apparently only the non-officer, non-lawyers go. How do their salaries compare? I think he is a little jealous of her ability to come from a loving,stable lower middle class family and rise to a position where she can really help the Middle Class. And yes I do admire his ability to overcome many child hood adversities as well, but his bitter, snarkiness towards Elizabeth Warren would imply he still has a way to go..
10:22 pm on Sunday, September 23, 2012
Elizabeth Warren won the debate. Scott is arrogant and doesn't deserve any women's vote!
David Nolta
10:33 pm on Sunday, September 23, 2012
And on the positive side, Elizabeth Warren is an indefatigable worker when it comes to protecting middle class, working Americans--more specifically, their FINANCES! I find it weird that so many people who have posted on this Patch seem threatened by the simple fact that she is smart, articulate, well-paid (most of the self-identifying male posters on this topic are appalled by her salary!), and cares about American working people. This is not a negative comment about Scott Brown--it is a positive endorsement of a brilliant, dedicated woman candidate for political office. I am more for her than ever before!
9:14 am on Monday, September 24, 2012
"And on the positive side, Elizabeth Warren is an indefatigable worker when it comes to protecting middle class, working Americans--more specifically, their FINANCES!"
I find this statement hard to believe of a person (Warren) who buys foreclosed-on houses and evicts the inhabitants.
7:36 pm on Monday, September 24, 2012
It's hard to keep track of the spin. Elizabeth Warren cannot foreclose on properties - banks and mortgage holders do that.
Are you saying that Elizabeth Warren isn't allowed to do buy and sell houses to make a profit because she's a Democrat? And when she buys a foreclosed house, she has to pay for the the previous occupant's housing?
That's just crazy. It makes no sense.
7:44 pm on Monday, September 24, 2012
"Are you saying that Elizabeth Warren isn't allowed to do buy and sell houses to make a profit because she's a Democrat?"
No, but she is a predatory opportunist who preys on the downtrodden, which is something she professes to oppose and abhore.
7:54 pm on Monday, September 24, 2012
"It's hard to keep track of the spin. Elizabeth Warren cannot foreclose on properties - banks and mortgage holders do that."
I did not say Warren foreclosed on properties - I said that she buys [bought] foreclosed-on properties.
So, is that your spin, RS, or did you mis-read my post?
8:43 pm on Monday, September 24, 2012
How is buying a foreclosed home preying on the downtrodden? When you are buying a foreclosed home, you're buying from a bank... not from the person who didn't make their payments. This is just silly talk... trying really hard to find something or anything wrong with Elizabeth Warren.
David Nolta
8:51 pm on Monday, September 24, 2012
RS: I think, however simple and sad it is, it boils down to the fact that Elizabeth Warren is a smart and successful FEMALE. Romney outsourcing American jobs is "good business"--here here!--but Elizabeth Warren doing anything an intelligent man might do? Unnatural! It's mundo bizzarro. This is a facet of conservatism that sounds more and more like Strange Tales from the Time of the Dinosaurs.
9:18 pm on Monday, September 24, 2012
David - Are you implying that Republicans/conservatives don't think women are intelligent and capable? I am suprised, because you rail (sp) at posters who allegedly make those kinds of statements.
And outsourcing American jobs is a lot better than giving companies taxpayer money to outsource American jobs.
9:31 pm on Monday, September 24, 2012
RS - Sorry, I said "she is a predatory opportunist who preys on the downtrodden" because that's the kind of twisting I expect from a liberal argument - I shouldn't have stooped, and sincerely apologize.
However, Warren does criticize banks for the kinds of activities that led to her being able to buy foreclosed properties, and that is not consistent.
2:44 pm on Monday, September 24, 2012
Quick synopsis Scott Brown; honest, moderate conservative with left-leaning social values, bipartisan voting record, does what he feels is best for the state and country. Lis Warren; Washington picked, radical Democrat, mired in academia at the most liberal institution in the country, grandiose ideas on utopia with absolutely no specifics on how to fund them without raising taxes and jacking up the deficit even more, typical tax and spend and give everyone a handout moonbat. Is there really even a choice here? If Scott Brown didn't have an R next to his name this wouldn't even be a race.
4:03 pm on Monday, September 24, 2012
Well, that is how Republican spin operatives are trying to frame Elizabeth Warren right now, so we're going to hear that a lot.
Scott Brown is a Republican and votes mostly Republican, not Democratic. A few Democratic votes here and there doesn't count. But it's clear he really wants to be a Democrat for this election.
6:11 pm on Monday, September 24, 2012
A few Democrat votes here and there... Insignificant legislation, too, like being the determining vote to let Frank/Dodd come to the Senate floor for a vote. (While I did not agree with that vote, I can live with Brown as Senator vs Warren, because I know she will vote 100% Dem)
...the Democrats seem to want to talk about Scott Brown's voting record, and when Republicans point out that his voting record is the 2nd most bipartisan in Congress, they don't want to acknowledge it.
Republican spin, sort of like Democratic spin...
3:23 pm on Friday, September 28, 2012
Republicans saying Scott Brown is the so-called 2nd most bipartisan member of Congress is irrelevant. When Scott Brown voted to give my tax dollars to oil companies, that don't need the money, I didn't say... well, I feel okay about that because Scott Brown is supposedly the "2nd most bipartisan" member of Congress.
That vote didn't help me and it didn't help my business --- but it sure did give the oil companies billions of dollars of help they didn't need (but, but... Scott Brown is the 2nd most bipartisan member of Congress... who cares, it does not matter, people vote for who will represent them best ALL of the time, not some of the time)
3:29 pm on Friday, September 28, 2012
I guess giving tax credits to oil companies is your wedge issue, then, RS.
BTW, giving tax credits to oil companies keeps oil prices down, which helps your business.
For me - and Scott Brown - these credits should be reduced gradually so as to minimize the impact on oil prices rising because of it, which would have an awefull affect on an already fragile economy.
3:40 pm on Friday, September 28, 2012
Using your flawed logic we could give everyone tax breaks and pay less for everything... The price of oil is not set by tax breaks. It is set by supply and demand, with some price manipulation thrown in. But, then, we live in a world where many people believe the fairy tale that tax breaks pay for themselves.
3:54 pm on Friday, September 28, 2012
"we could give everyone tax breaks and pay less for everything" No, I don't think that at all - I think there would be a break point where there would be diminishing returns. That's the danger of applying a certain logic to a situation to which it was not intended.
And I do think we should eliminate (gradually, but definitely) oil companies' tax credits. The fact that they still get them is not a wedge issue for me.
4:16 pm on Friday, September 28, 2012
What you are saying does not make sense -- the oil companies are the largest and most profitable on the planet. If they need help, then EVERY other company also deserves tax payer funded help.
Bill Ferguson
2:53 pm on Thursday, September 27, 2012
Frank/Dodd is a mistake. We need Glass Steagall back. Many congress folks voted for F/D because they did not think they could get anything better. I wish Brown had voted against F/D.
3:07 pm on Thursday, September 27, 2012
Bill - Funny, I just posted on a different blog that some form of Glass-Steagal should be brought back. Yes, F/D is a mistake, giving unchecked power to regulators over banks, without having to go through Congress - very dangerous.
I am also disappointed in Brown's role in the passage of F/D, but my response was to the characterization of the Dems that he only votes D when it is inconsequential.
Though I am disppointed in his vote for F/D, he is still a way better Senator for the state and country than Warren.
Bill Ferguson
12:58 pm on Friday, September 28, 2012
For sure Warren would not have voted against it. We need a Senator with legislative experience, who will not support larger governement agencies to fix all problems, and more able to bridge the gap between the parties. Especially important since it looks like Obama will be re-elected. I might feel differently if Mitt was going to be elected.
Linda Worthy
3:28 pm on Thursday, September 27, 2012
After some of Scott Brown's staff members participated in the tomahawk chops and Indian war whoops at a campaign rally which have been labeled "racist", Senator Brown "issued them their one and only warning that this type of conduct will not be tolerated."
Problem is that there is second video, in which "Indian war whoops" are heard in the background as Mr. Brown spoke at an event in Chatham this summer. That video was initially posted on the Chatham Republican Web site.
One would think that after the Chatham incident, Brown would have issued a caution to his staff not to engage in such behavior -- even if they had not done so in Chatham. Instead after the second incident, Brown asked his staffers not to do it again. His staffers were no doubt emboldened by his 'person of color' comment during the first debate.
Ben Jackson
3:54 pm on Thursday, September 27, 2012
But Linda - they didn' tget *caught* then! Why would he possibly do the right thing until it's a big news story? Sheesh!
3:55 pm on Thursday, September 27, 2012
Remember, Elizabeth Warren first used the issue of physical features as proof that she was Native American. Maybe they thought if she could refer to physical features, then it was ok...
Linda Worthy
6:03 pm on Thursday, September 27, 2012
I guess you're right Ben. Bank robbers keep stealing 'til they get caught.
3:59 pm on Friday, September 28, 2012
How is an Indian chop racist?? Does that mean 80,000 people at FSU stadium are racists? The fact is she was called on the carpet for slander and cannot prove she is native american.
11:50 pm on Friday, September 28, 2012
It's childish and unbecoming a United States Senator. We have serious problems to solve, and Scott Brown would rather waste time attacking Elizabeth Warren's heritage than talk about his votes in the Senate. Anyone, except staunch party loyalists can see this.
Ben Jackson
4:05 pm on Friday, September 28, 2012
Slander: n. 1 Oral communication of false statements injurious to a person's reputation. 2. A false and malicious statement or report about someone.
I don't think that word means what you think it means.
1:15 am on Sunday, September 30, 2012
.So those of you criticizing Brown for not voting for the equal pay bill what are we to do when a woman is round to be making more than her make counterpart? The economist recently debunked this myth of women making 73% of men. When the data is normalized for jobs and seniority there is 94% pay . Just women CHOOSE to leave the work force or seek lower paying carers doesn't mean they are underpaid
If i choose to be a nurse instead of an engineer I must accept that pay gap whether iam a man or woman
Linda Worthy
11:41 am on Sunday, September 30, 2012
Todd Aiken is at it again -- or rather, he probably never stopped.
He recently said that his Democratic opponent, Claire McCaskill, had acted more "ladylike' during her 2006 Campaign than during her current campaign.
Personally, I hope Todd keeps talking. Prior to his comment about 'legitimate rape', he was a virtual lock to win the Missouri Senate seat and help the Republicans gain control of the Senate. Now that looks far less likely.
After his legitimate rape' comment, REpublican jumped off the sinking ship. Now DMint, Gingrich and Santorum are all back aboard. The National Republican Senatorial Committee is once again supporting Aiken.
The Republicans don't care what their candidates say about women.
Dave Lenane
12:25 pm on Sunday, September 30, 2012
What is your source for this Linda? Have you personally interviewed every Republican?
If you don't have the sources why are you posting???
Linda Worthy
12:54 pm on Sunday, September 30, 2012
http://www.bostonglobe.com/news/nation/2012/09/26/mitt-romney-praises-his-health-law-denounces-obamacare/2qlvfbGySunjrs4sOyLb2I/story.html (second story down)
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9:24 pm on Sunday, September 30, 2012
Well, Dave, you demanded Linda provide sources and she did. I read these blogs a lot but comment little and I've seen her other comments on Aiken. It seems that she is not going to let people forget what Aiken said and now that notable Republicans and the Nat. Rep. Senatorial Comm. are moving to support him, she going to make noise about that. She may have personal reasons that you'll never know. In any event, she handed you your arse for your snarky comments. Just saying'.
9:38 pm on Sunday, September 30, 2012
How can any democrat comment about what republicans say or do to women?? Isn't that the pot calling the kettle black??
Dave Lenane
4:38 am on Monday, October 1, 2012
Really Dennis? I mean REALLY? Where in one of those blogs does it say that Republicans dont care what their candidates say about women? Point it out please! And you all look like arses when you don't even know that the man's name is Akin...Not Aiken! I was letting it slide...but obviously Dennis you dontread the drivel that is spouted here as proof.Good Job there buddy!
Dave Lenane
5:20 am on Monday, October 1, 2012
Now Dennis it's a little past 5AM and I am getting in my truck to go to work. Hopefully I will be home to my family by 6PM tonight. I have to do my best to make sure Obama and Patrick give my tax dollars to people that are to lazy to work. In the meantime I ask you to read one of those "sources". Scour them and tell me which one says Republicans don't care what their candidates say about women! Enjoy! And have a good day! I sure hope my Scott Brown lawn signs show up today!
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11:46 am on Monday, October 1, 2012
Mark...Thanks for that! So funny I almost spit out my lunch!!!!


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