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End the Strike: Mom Talk
Right or wrong, teachers need to be part of the solution, too.
It was circa 1982 when Joliet's District 86 teachers went on strike. I was in junior high, and our teachers told us, no, no, they would not strike.
They were out three weeks.
I couldn't tell you what the details were or who won. But I can recall the names of the two teachers who crossed the picket line.
That was a difficult time for my family. My divorced mother worked full time and I had no where to go during the day. At 10, I was home alone.
By and large, teachers are undervalued in this country. They deserve combat pay for some of the districts they work in. My close friends are Chicago teachers. If I had a magic wand I would easily triple their salaries, benefits and give them anything else they wanted. Schools should be palaces!
With that said, Chicago Teacher Union President Karen Lewis is a thoroughly unimpressive person. After listening to her sarcasm and rants these past months, I have little faith in her ability to properly represent the union. More importantly, it is hard to see her dedication to students through the egotistical media personae.
The unfortunate reality is that Illinois is broken—and broken bad. There quite simply is no money to do what rightfully should be done. It must be difficult for the school board to negotiate with nothing but lint in its pockets.
The bottom line is these children are in danger, real imminent danger. Suddenly, we have 350,000-plus grade schoolers with no place to go. We can expect emergencies to be up. Gang activity will be up. Parents' jobs will be in jeopardy if they lose too much work. The costs to society will be far reaching.
Whatever the sticking points, this is a high-stakes tug of war. No matter what, the children will lose. They have already lost. Both sides need a kick in the pants, the school board and the teachers. You are both at fault. Get this strike over.
It's a plague on both your houses.
6:14 am on Wednesday, September 12, 2012
I have NO sympathy for teachers (though there are a few exceptional ones in the bunch). They are very well paid, particularly here in DG. While the rest of us are expected to continually take on more and more responsibility at our jobs with same or less pay, they expect more and more and come off as very greedy to me. Once they hit tenure, all bets are off. They become complacent and, once again, it's our kids that suffer as a result.
All this talk of how they care for the kids is BS. If they really cared, they'd get back to their jobs. If teaching is so difficult as they say it is, find another job ... they're obviously not meant to be in that field. CTU is one of the most powerful and strongest unions there is, and they know it, and they will use and manipulate that to get whatever it is they want.
All the talk of pension reform as it pertains to police and fire in the State of Illinois should really be applied to teacher pension reform.
10:35 am on Wednesday, September 12, 2012
A, I disagree with many of your points but I will focus on one fact that you have incorrectly stated. All bets are NOT off with tenure anymore. A recent law eliminates tenure as the sole reason a teacher keeps his or her position. Job performance evaluations are now the key factor. They have made it easier to get rid of bad and apathetic teachers.
If teachers were really just in this for the money, I am pretty sure they could go elsewhere and get paid a whole lot more to do a whole lot less. If you haven't been in a classroom, don;t talk about what you don;t know.
8:25 am on Thursday, September 13, 2012
What pension reform for Police and Fire? There is none, The reform covers the Teachers and State workers. Not Police, Fire, Judges or Legislators. All of these groups pensions are way more lucritive than teachers. As for the statement, go find another job, the fact that Police and Fire always through up we risk our lives, we deserve more pay us seems to work for them. If Police and Fire are such dangerous jobs in Oswego then you would think there would be some line of duty injuroies or deaths. Can't recall any. How many police died in columbine, oh that's right they didn't even go in until an hour after it was over. Also help me figure out the statement of parents don't know what to do with their kids in chicago since the strike began. My answer is the same thing you did when they were on summer break.
Katie A
4:21 pm on Thursday, September 13, 2012
My benefits are getting cut at work too, and I have no recourse. I just have to be thankful that I still have a job when so many don't. With so many desperately unemployed people out there, I get really angry that these teachers selfishly put everything on hold so they can go throw a tantrum while parents and students suffer. It's not right. Like you say, they got into this field of work knowing that there are enormous challenges inherent in it, and then they constantly complain and act like martyrs. There are some fabulous teachers out there that really care about the kids and the job they do, and there are plenty of teachers who just don't care, and don't contribute - they shouldn't be on a level playing field. When everyone is lumped together, the bad teachers slip through the cracks and there is nothing to be done about it. We'd be much better off without the unions. I agree that they know they are finally getting attention to their cause, so they are going to milk this for all it's worth. Trying to resolve every one of their issues all at once is not reasonable. If they weren't demanding so much at one time, they would have settled long ago. They are just being stubborn. That Karen Lewis is a joke, too; the Drew Peterson of the CTU.
6:37 am on Wednesday, September 12, 2012
If teachers are so important, how come they can strike? Mailmen can't.
Kent Frederick
7:34 am on Wednesday, September 12, 2012
The air traffic controllers weren't supposed to strike, and they did. Teachers aren't considered a public employee group vital to public safety, unlike police and fire. So, they are allowed to strike.
Mary Van
6:45 am on Wednesday, September 12, 2012
I hop the mai service goes away....they never kept up with the times, and everything can be done via online or ups/fedex/etc.......The way mail service solves their problems....raise the price of a stamp....REALLY. I never send anything via mail, just not efficient for me.
Fire strike, police strike, nurses strike, electricians, traffic controllers, pilots, waste collectors...all strike. Very important jobs, but let's treat them fairly and not take advantage of them.
Dan Lipowski
6:53 pm on Wednesday, September 12, 2012
Mary Van..."I hope the mail service goes away". For just 44 cents the postal service will come to your home or business, pick up a letter or card, and deliver it to a front door any where in the country. There are hundreds of thousands of people who use the Postal Service everyday, and profitable deliveries or not, the USPS delivers to every home in the US. You want to know what I see everyday Mary Van. UPS and Fed EX, as well as other delivery services dropping packages off at the post office for the postal service to deliver daily. I won't even start about how congress has made the Postal Service over fund their pensions, which has cut into profits. By the way, postal workers are federal employees, that's why they cannot strike. Teachers are state employees and have the rigt to strike. President Regan fired the air traffic controllers because they were federal employees who went on strike. Have a clue before you just throw a very poor and uninformed opinion out.
9:48 pm on Wednesday, September 12, 2012
You are an idiot. Not everything can or should be done online. Think about it...for less than fifty cents, someone picks up something from your house and it gets delivered anywhere in the country! Take a letter down to your local fedex/ups and ask them to deliver it...see how much that costs you jackass.
6:53 am on Wednesday, September 12, 2012
I agree (A) if they don't like there jobs go find another that gives you summers off plus sick days and still on top of that they get 2-? vacation time . They are greedy !
I understand people should have a good days pay for a good days work but this is crazy I hope the city holds there ground if they want more show me that your worth it.
Mary Van
7:45 am on Wednesday, September 12, 2012
Cost of living, fair evaluations, and bringing back laid off teachers is all their asking for....doesn't sound greedy to me.
Mary Van
7:46 am on Wednesday, September 12, 2012
And let's remember......never did Mayor Daley have a strike
6:57 am on Wednesday, September 12, 2012
One of the main sticking points is the teacher evaluation system Rahm Emamuel is trying to strong-arm into place. The hiring process is another. Clearly Rahm Emanuel is trying to fuel the anti-union fires and clear the way for a voucher system. The entire nation is watching the situation in Chicago very closely, looking to see which points each side concedes on. Let's not sit here in Plainfield with a fraction of the facts, comparing this strike to completely different situations, and talk about how greedy the teachers are, how they should find different jobs, how the teachers are harming the children, etc.
Have any of you ever had a class of 40+ kindergartners, no teacher's aid, in an inner city classroom where you bought all or most of the kids school supplies and had to be evaluated by a grossly unfair system Rahm Emanuel strong-armed into place? Me neither. Let's go easy on the TEACHERS ARE GREEDY AND UNIONS ARE MONSTERS rhetoric. This situation is complicated and has far reaching implications.
Paul Lark
7:35 am on Wednesday, September 12, 2012
This is a battle between who controls the teachers; Union Leadership or the folks at CPS administration.
All CPS teachers in charter schools are not unionized, so you can see why this is huge.
Pay is not an issue since CPS teachers are on the top end. Why the union turned down 16% over 4 years says a lot in what union leadership is aiming for,
The evaluation system is a point to some degree since teachers will be held accountable for kids who have no parenting at home and such. Trying to control and teach kids who really don't want to be there is something I do understand.
Chicago is usually a leader when it comes to teachers contracts, so both sides better be careful what they agree too, since it will filter down and across the nation and have far reaching implications locally.
10:09 am on Wednesday, September 12, 2012
I'm not anti-union and if it somehow could help the kids I would be all for paying the teachers more, but CPS is a mess and it instead of just making it a better place for the teachers to work, its time we make it better for the kids. The huge success of the charter schools are really making CPS look terrible. Teachers need to be evaluated and then fired or rewarded with a raise if the principle thinks that is necessary. Its wrong for the teachers halt all meaningful progress just for the fear of being wrongly evaluated. Yes, these kids are tough, but they took the job , and they need to stop making excuses about how hard the kids are and start teaching, otherwise CPS will be slowly replaced by Charter Schools. It says something when you have a school system where no one really wants to send their kids. I fully support Rahm.
5:44 pm on Wednesday, September 12, 2012
"evaluation system Rahm Emanuel is trying to strong-arm into place."??? Really?
Oh how unreasonable to have to undergo an annual evaluation! I'll notify my employer at once.
6:32 pm on Wednesday, September 12, 2012
I have always been an advocate for vouchers. If the teachers are buying school supplies shame on them that goes back long ago that enable parents to be irresponsible. Getting meals to these students is another dependency.
i know of 5 great teachers in 308. I would have embraced a voucher. Maybe the communication would have improved.
7:18 am on Wednesday, September 12, 2012
I am going to have to agree with LMS. My friend is one of those teachers on strike and I agree with her fully. She has a class of 38 students, no AC, and it gets up to 98 degrees in the classroom. The school nurse is only at her.school on Fridays, cause they share her with four other schools. She has 4 students that have severe allergies to where they carry epipens. If my friend got certified to use the epipens, she still couldnt use it in the class cause its illegal in the state. So if its m-th, the kids have to wait on 911. These are things that need to be fixed. She is fighting for more than salaries or pensions. I understand that there are single moms out there who are needimg the kids to go back to school, I am a single mom of 4, but didnt they just figure out childcare for 3 months over the summer? Whats a little bit more?
7:45 am on Wednesday, September 12, 2012
1. Illinois is broke. 2. You can spend what you don't have. 3. Teachers need to be paid based on their ability to perform (just like the private sector jobs). 4. There are plenty of unemployed teachers looking to work....if you can't have your guaranteed 3-4% increase (which is not guaranteed if you work in the private sector) then you might want to consider looking for another job. 5. If there are so many other "issues" why do we only hear about money, money and money? 6. Tenure makes people complacent...again it does not exist if the private work sector. 7. People need to be held accountable....if you don't perform...then you don't get additional compensation. 8. There are many tenured teachers who are horrible and yet they don't care "about the children" and the long term effects they have on them...... 9. It would be great to be able to just hand our money, but we don't have it and the children are really going to suffer unless the unions work with the government to make it work. There are many in the private sector who have not had raises for 3-4 years....how many unions can say they have not?
8:53 am on Wednesday, September 12, 2012
Comparing teachers to private sector jobs is apples to oranges. Teachers can not "fire" their students if they don't perform like people in private sector jobs can.
A better analogy would be a dentist or doctor. They "teach" their patients how to brush, floss, eat healthy, not smoke... but if their students choose not to learn what they are taught, should the dentist or doctor loose their job or have a reduction in their salary?
10:21 am on Wednesday, September 12, 2012
Ken, the way you're talking is apples to oranges too. Students are not "employees" of the teachers; they are the sole reason the teachers have a job. I can't fire my customers when they aren't performing or doing something right with my products. Why? Because they are the sole reason I have a job.
And to think that one of the sticking points in negotiations is that teachers don't want principals to be able to fire them if they are doing a bad job. Ridiculous. Can you imagine being a "boss" and not being able to fire poor employees?
Let's look at your dentist and doctor analogy here. Should they lose their job if a patient smokes and has gross teeth or a heart attack? Good question. But where the "apples to oranges" situation comes in is that the patient can choose whether they want to go to that dentist. The students can't.
Finally, to all you people with the 98-degree, non air-conditioned schools. Um, we never had air-conditioning when I was in school. Cops and firemen don't have air-conditioning when they're out in the field. Construction workers, same. Uncomfortable, no doubt. But when you went to school for teaching, was air-conditioning a guarantee? No.
11:04 am on Wednesday, September 12, 2012
Name one private sector job where an employee is evaluated based on the performance of someone else that doesn't have a vested interest in doing well.
1:13 pm on Wednesday, September 12, 2012
Ken - Nursing. In many cases, nurses are given raises strictly on the basis of patient satisfaction surveys. The patient has no vested interest in whether that nurse gets a raise or not.
1:36 pm on Wednesday, September 12, 2012
That's interesting. My child has been in 4 different hospitals (2 of which were in Chicago and 2 in the suburbs) in the last year. Not once did I get a survey. If I did get one and returned it back blank or filled in the boxes to make a design, would the nurses be fired? Believe it or not, that happens quite often with student tests. They may fill in their name only and leave the rest of the test blank or they may make a pattern when they fill out the bubbles.
How will SpEd, HI, VI, O&M, SLP, PE, Music, Art...teachers be evaluated?
Will the IEP goals of SpEd students be "dummied down" so that everyone listed in the IEP gets a raise?
It's not as simple as giving raises based on test scores.
2:04 pm on Wednesday, September 12, 2012
This is a brand new evaluation process for CPS teachers beginning this year. All principals were required to take classes and tests proving that they know the ins and outs of this evaluation process. MANY principals failed their tests. Why should CPS teachers have a high-stakes evaluation process by a principal that does not fully understand how the process works? The union is asking for a pilot year in the new evaluation process. They are NOT asking for teachers to not be evaluated based on performance. Also, having tenure in CPS does not mean that you cannot be fired or laid off. You also ask why the other "issues" are not being stated to the public and that all you hear about is the money. CTU members are not allowed to strike over work conditions anymore. A law was passed recently taking away their right to strike about pretty much anything but money. So if union leaders mention anything about other issues, everyone could all be fired. Poor work conditions for teachers means poor learning environments for students. AND when it comes to the standardized test scores being used towards teachers raises or lay offs: the seventh and eighth graders in CPS have already begun taking standardized tests during their first week of school. Those students have already found so many typos in the tests! I fully agree that there should be an evaluation process dealing with pay raises, but the system needs to be 100% accurate first.
3:20 pm on Wednesday, September 12, 2012
You've never gotten a patient satisfaction survey? Interesting. I've been to several hospitals in the area - Edwards, Delnor, and most recently, Rush-Copley - and gotten one from all of them. And I have several friends and family members who are nurses and the results of those surveys are, in fact, figured into reviews and raises.
That said, I don't believe raises should be based solely on test scores, so on this, we absolutely agree. But I do think it should be part of the evaluation process. Perhaps a three-year average. And there has to be some professor out there who can calculate a formula that averages how many "pattern" or "blank" tests are in the bunch. There has to be an answer out there somewhere.
I'm not trying to rail against the teachers. I think a few bad apples don't account for all of them. I had some wonderful teachers, but I also had some horrible ones who didn't care to teach. It's sad.
3:55 pm on Wednesday, September 12, 2012
Not in the last few years. My child was at Hinsdale, Edward, U of Chicago and Loyola. Not one of them sent us a survey. While in patient, they all gave us a business card for the patient rep but that's about it.
I'm not against evals either. I'd like to know how they plan on doing them with SpEd, HI, VI, O&M, SLP, PE, Music, Art...and what these evals will me to children with an IEP.
Will the IEP goals of SpEd students be "dummied down" so that everyone listed in the IEP gets a raise?
6:44 pm on Wednesday, September 12, 2012
Ken, do not even speak to IEP that is a total state joke. The facts are if a student has an IEP it does not help them improve their skills by state standards. Lets just say if a child has low reading....
and their math has a reading problem....oh check the obligation is accommodated.
I had a student in 308 that also had my students 5th grade records...and shazam that should have been caught 5-6 years ago....the records show that but oh no the 308 folks did not disclose any of "their" law that they work from. I had to corner them in a conversation....No one ties any of this stuff together..all loose ends...
now I am so irritated...
8:12 pm on Wednesday, September 12, 2012
The IEP program in 308 was overhauled 4-5 years ago. 8-9 years ago it was a joke...now its good. I know...I have 2 kids in it right now, one of which started school 9 years ago and we had nothing but problems.
9:41 am on Thursday, September 13, 2012
Kelly, construction workers work in the heat yes, Cops and Firemen spend 99% of their time in air conditioning. So don't use them as an example. 98 degree class rooms are tough on the teachers, but even more on the students. Do you think these kids are paying attention while sweating in a 98 degree class room. But my point is, the schools that don't have air conditioning in class rooms have it in the office for the sec. and principals. And the administration building is air cooled. Are we there for the kids or the management.
10:35 am on Thursday, September 13, 2012
My child has had an IEP for the last 17 years and I have another child that is a Special Ed teacher as well so I'm pretty familiar with both sides of the story. I have seen IEP goals dummied down so far so that my child's test score on the AA test showed that they were meeting or exceeding standards in Science but what it didn't show was that the reason they scored so well was because the goal was something along the lines of the student will place a bean seed in a pot of dirt.
I've also heard many times from my child that is a Special Ed teacher how she is not given the resources listed in her students IEP.
Lastly something that most people don't know is that standardized test scores revert back to the child's "base school". So in other words, you have a child that attends a school other than their base school whether it be for SpEd or Gifted Ed. The test scores for those children is not reflected in the data for the school that is actually teaching them but it's reflected in the data of the school that the child would have attended if they were not out-placed.
I'd still love to know how the specialized teachers like SpEd, HI, VI, O&M, Reading Specialist... are going to be evaluated and scored with making IEP goals less challenging.
2:14 pm on Thursday, September 13, 2012
Oswegosmarts - Again, my point is that we went to school in non-airconditioned facilties and we did just fine. And you have no idea how long a cop or firefighter is out in the field, so way to throw 99% out there.
Mary Van
7:48 am on Wednesday, September 12, 2012
Folks.....it is not 16% over four years....channel 7 abc news stated it is 3%, 2%, 2%, and 2%.....which when you do the math is 9%.
Let's ask this question....it is a war zone at CPS schools....would you want to work there?
Paul Lark
8:00 am on Wednesday, September 12, 2012
You might wanna double check your facts...
8:22 am on Wednesday, September 12, 2012
The facts are hard to double check from a google search in Plainfield. Are you reading an article with phrasing like, "Teachers dig in heels and refuse to consider a 16% pay raise," or are you reading an article that touches on the back and forth negotiations, including the revocation of an earlier agreed-on pay raise, and makes clear that teacher evaluations and hiring/re-hiring are the major points of contention?
We don't know what's going on behind closed doors and what exactly is going on as both sides offer, counter-offer, refuse, and go back to the table. I personally feel certain that teacher greed isn't the reason we're seeing a Chicago teachers strike for the first time in 25 years.
Mary Van
7:50 am on Wednesday, September 12, 2012
Teachers are always the scapegoat.....always the people who are blamed ...... geez....let's look into the American home these days, just watch television, and you will see we are a mess!!!!
6:49 pm on Wednesday, September 12, 2012
amen mary van......I have fought off my fellow community people because of poor home values....and what a battle it is .....still going on...nobody is responsible anymore....everyone has a bad attitude of wanting to be taken care of...
8:15 am on Wednesday, September 12, 2012
CPS teachers' average salary exceeds $70,000 per year, for a nine-month work year. The average salary of those paying that salary: $48,000 (with a college degree). If teachers were fighting to materials for their classrooms, or something that's really for the children, I might understand their position a little better, but they aren't. They're striking mainly for a 16% raise over 4 years. Oh, and by the way, CPS have a 56% graduation rate. So, why should teachers be rewarded for failure to teach?
12:15 am on Thursday, September 13, 2012
Is the $48,000 figure=with college degree-for those working in the city of Chicago?
Interestingly enough, success for some students is getting them to school. For many kids, school is the least of their life concerns. Once there, they have to be convinced that you are there for THEM. School districts like to present clips from Stand and Deliver as motivation for the start of school years. Have you seen it? The man goes to kids houses to get them to come to class, spends the school day and most of the rest of the day worrying about his students and then has a heart attack. There are Bad teachers. Think of this...a teacher could be fired for sneezing during a meeting during their four year probationary period. Not 30,60 or 90 days. So, if bad teachers make tenure, it is the result of poor management. If you ran a business, wouldn't you be able to identify a poor employee before 4 years are up.
1. You are the teacher of the Gifted students. Test scores...Great
2. You are the teacher of the Gen population...Test scores Great, Good and Poor
3. You are the teacher of the At risk students...Test scores Poor
What do the test scores say? The teacher 3 should be fired and Teacher 2 should be on probation.
What they do not say? Both of these teachers could be teaching the kids HOW to learn, HOW to get along, HOW to be different, etc. Some students will not use these skills until adulthood, but they are there.
Tenure=ability to fight for kids without job risk.
3:44 pm on Thursday, September 13, 2012
Chicago city teachers have an incredibly difficult job, suburban teachers don't.
10:55 pm on Thursday, September 13, 2012
Chicago teachers have a different set of conditions, but the suburbs are not easy. Shadow a teacher. Wow.
10:58 pm on Thursday, September 13, 2012
Included in teacher pay: extra duties outside of school day like coaching, substitute teaching during their conference and plan period, working games (high school), etc.
These are not listed. Many have their masters not just the BS or BA. I worked with several that had PhD in their subject area (high school).
8:28 am on Wednesday, September 12, 2012
Just think about this. Using Chicago as a reference The teachers get a 30% pay raise but who really secretly wins here. Answer is all the overpaid administrators because they can now widen the gap between teachers and administrators pay so now they can get raises withuot it looking so bad.Do you realize the reason that teachers union succeed is that the parents of the children have to go to work to pay taxes,bills etc.They cant have there kids home from school on strike so the teachers end up getting what the want so parents can get back to work.
Julie J
8:55 am on Wednesday, September 12, 2012
I empathize with the teachers. I truly do. It cannot be easy to work in some of the CPS environments. But I ask you this: Who pays during a strike? The kids. The parents. This is nonsense. Both sides should be ashamed. This should be negotiated during the kids' summer vacation, not the school year.
6:50 pm on Wednesday, September 12, 2012
Where are the parents with solving their children's problems? All this has to tie together....
Ann Paul
9:00 am on Wednesday, September 12, 2012
Hey Erin, a fine quote from Karen Lewis: As she left the rally, Lewis told the crowd "I've got to go back to the silly part of my day. ... Y'all continue to have fun. Show each other some love."
Yeah, it's about the kids. She is a disgrace and I cannot believe the teachers allow this idiot to represent them. I hope they show her the door.
1:08 pm on Wednesday, September 12, 2012
A very unimpressive "leader" indeed. Seems like she's enjoying the spotlight, not knowing (or caring) that she looks like an idiot. How does someone like this get elected anyway?
9:02 am on Wednesday, September 12, 2012
Wanting to know more about these issues, I'm doing some research. I found the CPS contract offer on their website: http://www.cps.edu/News/Announcements/Pages/09_09_2012_A1.aspx
None of those items seems unreasonable to me, considering the tough economic times we're in. So then I tried to find a similar document from the teacher's union, CTU. I've been unable so far, if anyone has seen one please link to it here.
From the CTU press releases, I've seen they're asking to 1) maintain existing health benefits, 2) teacher evaluation process, 3) better job security via increased training, 4) installation of classroom A/C, 5) teacher recall, and 6) increased pay for longer school day.
I would love to have the same health benefits I did last year (and those benefits weren't very good). Costs increase and Congress adds to that, get used to it. Teachers should be evaluated, in part, by the test scores of their students. You have to gauge improvement somehow. Most private-sector training has been cut or dropped, there's not money right now. Schools are no different. Bad teachers shouldn't be recalled, period, even if that means the union doesn't get part of their pay (and that's really what this point is all about). Teachers will be req'd to work 190 days, an avg of 7.5 hrs/day in class. I'd love that schedule! We all work OT, get over it. Only the A/C item is something I agree with.
This union picked the wrong time to strike.
7:47 pm on Wednesday, September 12, 2012
I don't know about Chicago but suburban schoolteachers are evaluated by dept. heads and principals.
What about all the special ed students that are severly handicapped,at a mentally low age that can never make progress. Is it fair to judge those students the same way.The teachers would constantly be fired for their students not advancing. Husband is a teacher in that kind of classroom and the school can't even come up with a curriculum that fits the students,because there is not one available.
9:15 am on Wednesday, September 12, 2012
These unions need to be dissolved. There are plenty good teachers in the CPS system that want to teach, get back to the classroom but are being strongarmed by the Union. "Stick with us or we'll make it a living hell for you when we all go back".
I think every one of those teachers that are on strike should be fired. There's plenty more out there that would love to have a job right now.
You knew what you signed up for when you took the job. The school didn't have a/c then and it doesn't have a/c now. When you signed the contract, you knew how much you were going to make.
I want a raise, too but pretty much can guarentee you, it's not going to happen. You can't get dollars where dollars don't exist. ILLINOIS is BROKE!!!
11:06 pm on Thursday, September 13, 2012
I believe they are in agreement with salary and school districts should be audited. Too many generals who have forgotten how to be soldiers.
The sticking points are not financial.
Illinois is not broke because of hard working teachers or other workers for that matter. Teachers lose in negotiations too. My new contract was far worse than the old. Including items that will make it harder on students, but we were weak and didn't strike because so much of our workforce was non tenured and afraid to stand up for the students...4 year probation...can be fired for anything as long as they can find some way to word your evaluation poorly.
New evaluation procedures will make it easier to get rid of bad teachers, but also good experienced and educated teachers because the $ too much.
9:30 am on Wednesday, September 12, 2012
Are any of you reading this entire thread and/or news articles representing both sides, or are you just jumping on to insult Chicago teachers and unions in general? Unless you're sharing an informed opinion on the present teacher evaluation system and the proposed reforms suggested by both sides as well as the current rehire process as opposed to the suggested changes and the resulting effects then you are not making a constructive contribution to the discussion.
To be clear: In order to have and share an informed opinion you must understand the argument over teacher evaluation. Not *IF* they should be evaluated. Of course they should be. Everyone agrees. But *HOW* they should be evaluated, and what the wider repercussions of the teacher evaluation process are and could be. If you haven't researched and thought over this subject you do not have an informed opinion, and your contribution about greedy teachers and evil unions is worthless. Feel free to add it to the pile, but it will be completely worthless.
Paul Lark
1:01 pm on Wednesday, September 12, 2012
I'm trying not to read articles, I'm trying to go directly from the sources; The CPS and the CTU and it appears the CTU is failing on getting out information that would make the average lay person understand what is going on.
So until the union leadership starts selling what they want harder, they're losing the PR and public opinion battle.
6:54 pm on Wednesday, September 12, 2012
mr. Paul Lark,
The unions do so on purpose....media likes unions and disgruntlement....just wait lets see who wants to be the hero....then you know to stay away from that person....blowing smoke
10:10 am on Wednesday, September 12, 2012
I'm not anti-union and if it somehow could help the kids I would be all for paying the teachers more, but CPS is a mess and it instead of just making it a better place for the teachers to work, its time we make it better for the kids. The huge success of the charter schools are really making CPS look terrible. Teachers need to be evaluated and then fired or rewarded with a raise if the principle thinks that is necessary. Its wrong for the teachers halt all meaningful progress just for the fear of being wrongly evaluated. Yes, these kids are tough, but they took the job , and they need to stop making excuses about how hard the kids are and start teaching, otherwise CPS will be slowly replaced by Charter Schools. It says something when you have a school system where no one really wants to send their kids. I fully support Rahm.
11:10 pm on Thursday, September 13, 2012
You need to apply to charter schools. That, right there, changes the game. In some families, in the suburbs, the kid is the only one with satisfactory english or education for that matter. Leading to the fact that, though available, some families may not know the process of getting the application 'in'.
The fact that they apply also suggests greater parental/family investment in education. That is huge.
10:38 am on Wednesday, September 12, 2012
After reading all these comments, bashing teachers and telling them that if you don't like the pay....go get another job. First of all, teaching is not a job...It is a calling. And like motherhood, it is one of the MOST IMPORTANT calling a person can have. For an entire school year, you have the responsibility of teaching and showing something to a child who represents the future of our society, our culture, our moral values, our place in the global arena. It is up to you for that school year to make sure that that child learns what he/she needs to learn to carry on to the subsequent year where the baton will be passed on to another teacher and so on and so forth, and you will walk away in June knowing that for those months, you contributed to that child's future, well-being, moral compass, intellect, ambitions, etc. Personally, I have every ounce of respect for those who choose to accept that mantle. In my opinion, we ALL have a moral obligation to make sure that those who accept that calling to mold not just our children, but our country's future, have every possible advantage. And it disgusts me that these teachers are being asked to carry this responsibility with less and less resources and have more and more children in each classroom. We should ALL being cheering on these teachers who, knowing what they are putting the children through, still decide to go on strike, in order to assure that they are having their voices heard.
12:30 pm on Wednesday, September 12, 2012
If it's a calling they should never go on strike. Mothers don't go on strike because they have difficult kids or because they get blamed by the errors their kids make.
It's a job, they are on strike for all the wrong reasons and that is enough reason to question how much they actually care about the kids.
Ann Paul
11:05 am on Wednesday, September 12, 2012
Hey Erin, more enlightenment from Karen Lewis:
"Negotiations have been intense but productive," she said. "However, we have failed to reach an agreement that will prevent a labor strike. Real school will not be open (Monday)."
I agree with you that her sarcasm is unimpressive and I question her values and her commitment to getting it done. She has an agenda with her grandstanding, and please, don't tell me it's for the kids. Unfortunately, the teachers have no choice but to follow. Also, just because a school does not fall under the CTU stranglehold (private, charter, montessori, whatever), does not make it any less a "real" one. It goes to show you her true colors. She is the poorest example of union representation.
11:18 am on Wednesday, September 12, 2012
Carolina: A calling it may be ... for some. You'll never convince me that it's a calling for every teacher in every school in every state. Yes, teachers should, and often do, contribute to a child's future but they are no different from anyone else in other professions ... there are the good, the bad, and the ugly. To make a blanket statement that ALL teachers are dealing with the hardships you described is a little out of touch with reality.
I'm all for being heard when there's a legitimate gripe or grievance but I don't feel that that's the case in this scenario. I hear whining and excuses and, quite honestly, an inflated sense of self in most teachers. In the corporate world, this would not fly; we have to deal with something called accountability. It's up to us to fix the problems with the resources (no matter how great or small or non-existent) we have.
The real issue is the educational system in this country that has remained essentially unchanged since its inception. Too much focus and attention is placed on our "poor teachers" and all that they must do. Welcome to the real world! Now put on your big boy/girl panties and get on with it!
3:23 pm on Wednesday, September 12, 2012
A: First of all, if there is a teacher out there who is doing it for the money instead of for the students....I'd like to meet them. Teachers on average, at least the elementary and middle school teachers I've met, and let me tell you, I have been in the Plainfield Schools community for quite a few years, do not make that much money nowadays and what little they make, they have to use to buy supplies and whatnot for their classrooms/students. They are not given an expense account like so many corporate employees. As for a legitimate grievance or gripe, I think that what they are fighting for IS legitimate. Let's see.....the kind of evaluations that are being used to judge their performances as well as other details like pensions, health care, etc. These are quite legitimate. As for the "poor teachers"....YES! They are the poor teachers. They work long into the taking home work and poring over homework assignments, tests, quizzes, and term papers, and spend their free time thinking of ways to help their students maximize their potential. Can you say the same for your job??? I am in the real world. I've raised three children, on my own, since my youngest was 3. My oldest is now a senior at Northwestern University, a four-time Deans List, cheerleader for the Wildcats and holds two jobs while on campus. My youngest is a junior at PNHS and is in Marching Band and the Tennis team. So, I repeat....I am in the real world and quite aware of the value of teachers in our society.
Edward Andrysiak
11:31 am on Wednesday, September 12, 2012
Our politicians, for the vote, pandered to the unions. Why in the world we wouldn't have negotiated a "no lock out...no strike clause" into their contract eons ago reflects how corrupt the system is. If I were "king for a day" I would fire all those on strike. Bust the Union and offer teaching jobs to those qualified (strikers and others) who want to come back into the system and do a job for our kids. Conversly, to keep unions out we need to pay a decent wage with corresponding bennies equal to the rest of industry (not far to go on that). Every effort to enhance the classroom environment to make it a modern lab for teaching should be the next priority. Give the teachers every tool they need! Next, monitor results and those teachers and their administrators who are not bring their students along on a predetermined path to graduation...fire them! The area alderman, ward committeman and every other politician ought to be voted out as well...performance judged on more than snow removal and garbage pick up...think schools. The system sucks and the politicians and the unions are, for the most part, the blame. The Chicago voters aren't blameless either because they keep voting these leaches back into office year after year. When a gang leader offers neighborhood kids a better future that the school system...it is time for a major shake up!
1:07 pm on Wednesday, September 12, 2012
"Next, monitor results and those teachers and their administrators who are not bring their students along on a predetermined path to graduation...fire them! "
I'm interested to hear how you purpose doing that for Special Education, Hearing Itinerant, Vision Itinerant, O&M Itinerants, Speech/Language Pathologists, PE, Music, Art...teachers.
11:56 am on Wednesday, September 12, 2012
A CALLING? Reaaaaaaally? And all these teenagers and unwed mothers and etc.. (I could go on, but you get the picture), that was a calling? PLEAZE!! And the teachers that physically/mentally/sexually harm their students? Where did their calling come from?
The system is broke. It needs a major overhaul.
11:13 pm on Thursday, September 13, 2012
Kota, really?
How many teachers are in the news for the Wonderful things they do for kids?
Doesn't get ratings.
But thanks for throwing that in as if it is the norm.
Explain the teenagers and unwed monthers and etc. Are you blaming teachers or is there more to that that you did not state?
12:29 pm on Wednesday, September 12, 2012
I fully support the Teachers, but not the Union. The teachers don't seem to have a choice, when the Union says strike, the teacher's go along with it. Ms Lewis was calling for a strike last Spring...before the arbitor came back with anything, before the vote was even thought of.
7:02 pm on Wednesday, September 12, 2012
Teachers do not have to join a union...there is lots of pressure though to join....Jewel employees have to because of closed shop like the one on route 30. those kids pay around 8.00 a week each....I say they need to vote the union to be an "open store" and work on merits.
1:26 pm on Wednesday, September 12, 2012
You all have legitimate issues about the salaries and conditions in the Chicago Schools. But who pays for the changes? Taxpayers in Chicago complain about their real estate tax bill going up which is mostly related to the school expenses. How can you keep the real estate tax bill the same but pay out more money for salaries and building improvements? Creative Accounting!!!!!!
Pro Life Crusader +
1:39 pm on Wednesday, September 12, 2012
It looks like what ever the union settles on the contract , Karen Lewis will eat all the profits.
meg and joe
3:00 pm on Wednesday, September 12, 2012
ya its a calling for most of the teachers for the best pension in the world besides being Apples CEO. 80% of your highest four years pay( find that somewhere else)summers off,holidays off etc. if the stock market tanks teachers don't care because taxpayers pay your pensions.I get a 401k that I have to put all my own money in and hope the market returns good.the only job better is a administrator 150k to 200k a year. do the math on that retirement about 160k a year guaranteed. OH YA THE Reason they strike during school is because parents can't find babysitters so they use the children as pawns.parents cant call off work to watch kids so the want teacher to get whatever they want.PURE GREED
2:39 pm on Thursday, September 13, 2012
Not true, and yes kelly I have a little insite on what Police and Fire do my wife is a cop and my brother in law is a Fireman. Family events are fun because they try to outdo each other as to how much sleeping and doing nothing and making $125,000 a year. And paid days off etc. Also my wifes pension is way more lucrative than our teacher friends. She makes tens of thousands more and can retire with less time. You see while everyone keeps banging on teachers, both my wife and brother in law hope you don't look their way. In fact I don't either, she is retiring in two years and in her first year her pension will be $97,500 . Not bad for 53 years old.
3:24 pm on Wednesday, September 12, 2012
Like I said, the entire system needs to be revamped. If you live in the city, or anywhere else in the state for that matter, and your child attends private school or a charter school, why should you have to pay taxes? You pay your taxes when you have children in the system .. that would be fair. And buses, why does 'everyone' pay for buses? My children don't need a bus, but yet I'm paying for Daisy on the other side of town to be bussed. Is it not the parents job to see to it their child gets to school? Isn't that a mother (or father) is "called" to do?
And now, with all the foreclosures, why?... hmmm... taxes?.. we are paying for all those vacant homes, too. Our taxes go up because of others irresponsibility.
Those people that are not paying their mortgage, but yet they are sending their children to the schools we pay taxes on.
11:18 pm on Thursday, September 13, 2012
I agree with many statements here Kota.
In addition, why do we pay for drivers ed? Reading Writing Math Science Arts, but Driving?
Unfortunately, that is the way a tax system works. SS is not guarenteed for me, but I pay...Sucks, my taxes went up and home value down, but that is where I choose to live.
3:26 pm on Wednesday, September 12, 2012
clarify.. pay taxes for public schools. Of course you would pay other taxes. I was referencing only schools
Walt Hines
3:32 pm on Wednesday, September 12, 2012
Time to start outsourcing the jobs. Bring in teachers from India and pay them $2.00 a day, now that's a bargain don't ya think. So your kids can't understand them, doesn't really matter because they're not really learning anything from these overpriced educators anyway. Maybe we should start paying the teachers the going babysitter rate since some parents think it's the educators responsibility to see that their child has proper supervision. Outsourcing and babysitter pay scale that solves the problem, next.
7:52 pm on Wednesday, September 12, 2012
Charge each parent $5 (cheap rate) or so an hour for each student.????
5:21 pm on Wednesday, September 12, 2012
I read several of the posts and this is my suggestion for the negative ones that think a teacher is over paid and gets summers off and blah, blah, blah! Walk a week or even a day in their shoes and just see how tough this job is. We have a program in our school called "Watch Dogs" and it is Dads coming in to help for an entire day. It is amazing how tunes have changed once they realize what really happens in a day. It is not the same anymore. The amount of paperwork is unreal. The amounts of tests are awful. The great teachers do it because of the compassion they have for "our" kids. They do it for their families, so they are able to have that time in the summer to connect with their families. They sure as heck are not connecting during the week. With all of the papers to grade, the planning to do, the data entry that can not be done at school, there is not enough time in the day. If you have children and your child has a great teacher, you should be so thankful. They are with your child and probably about 25 others on a daily basis. Not to babysit, but to form them and help create an independant, well educated person! Imagine having 25 children, all whom have grown up differently looking at you all day? It is amazing what teachers can do with so many different personalities, behaviors and education levels. Toot Toot for the Great Teachers! I am shocked when a graduate goes into teaching. I would never want to be one, but I give them all my respect!!!
7:57 pm on Wednesday, September 12, 2012
If only all the complainers could walk in a teacher's shoes for a week or even a day.
I have seen the Watch Dog program in action and seen a lot of dads looking very overwhelmed at what goes on. Very enlightening.
6:19 pm on Wednesday, September 12, 2012
You want to pay teachers at babysitter rates because THAT'S all you think we do?! Okay. Let's say $10 per child per hour. 34 kids in my class. That's $340 per hour! $2,380 per day! I would make $428,400 per year! If all you think we do is babysit, bring on those babysitting rates!!!!
Walt Hines
7:31 pm on Wednesday, September 12, 2012
BPC9 I was on your side if you had read it correctly. Please re-read my post and you should catch on to my comment.
11:26 pm on Thursday, September 13, 2012
Hey bpc9, 150 kids per day in my high school. I think it is amazing that parents think we will be so overwhelmingly more successful with them than they are at home. 'I cannot get ___to do homework' oh, explains test scores.
It is amazing that some of you allow kids to go to school with such little respect for educators.
In other competitive countries, kids and families respect educators. That is one form of payment we do not get here in USA. In fact, I would say that that is one reason we are falling behind other countries that do not 'make' kids go to school and who believe it truely is a privilege to be educated. We educate all students no matter their ability and believe all students can improve. Yet, not all can be doctors and engineers because it is beyond their ability. However, they can all be successful.
6:48 pm on Wednesday, September 12, 2012
Before you write an article Erin check your facts. The strike isn't about money. If you are currently a stay at home mom, please stay there.
Erin Gallagher
7:12 pm on Wednesday, September 12, 2012
JK, Never did I say the strike was about money. In fact I didn't say what the strike was about. I said I would give teachers anything they want if I had a magic wand. Glad you're such a rockstar in reading for comprehension. And thanks, I do plan to stay at home.
8:36 pm on Wednesday, September 12, 2012
I'm sorry if I read your post wrong. My apologies. However, I have been told to return to "babysitting" while on the picket line.
Walt Hines
7:33 am on Thursday, September 13, 2012
bpc9 no apology needed, I understand your frustration! It's unbelievable that we can give CEO's of companies( that we as taxpayers had to bailout) bonuses yet we have a problem paying teachers a fair salary. No wonder this country lags behind in education. A lot of these kids don't learn and that's a parent problem. How many of these parents are actively involved in their children's life, not many from what I've seen. When you decide to bring another human being into this world you make a choice that for the next 18yrs it's your responsibility to make sure that person is housed, clothed and educated by either you or a teacher. Parenting doesn't stop when they walk out that door. Time some of them get rid of the game systems and t.v's. I'm a single parent, we have no t.v. or game system and my girls are all honor students. By the way I work 1 full time and 2 part time jobs so this can be done.
8:39 pm on Wednesday, September 12, 2012
This is a great article outlining the teachers' side of this strike. Please read. http://www.wbez.org/blogs/jim-derogatis/2012-09/chicago-teachers-rock-102377
9:27 pm on Wednesday, September 12, 2012
Teachers signed up for the job. Just as I signed up for my job. Politics plays a big part, unfortunately, in my profession. It's what I chose, it's what I do. If EVER I feel so stressed, so overwhelmed, so poor me..I would find a new job. SUCK IT UP... It's wat you signed up for.
That bldg that doesn't have air...yea, probably didn't have air when you signed the contract.
As far as classroom size, I get it. Anything over 32 is too many. Not sure what to do with the leftover kids though. Can't hire more teachers, can't even afford what we have. Solution?
Teachers re NOT babysitters and should never be referred to as such. It's the parents who need to step up to the plate and take responsibility for their children.
11:35 pm on Thursday, September 13, 2012
thanks Kota
Share this...This is how I and many of my teacher FRIENDS feel. It isn't the money.
9:29 pm on Wednesday, September 12, 2012
1. If the strike isn't about money they why are they asking for raises over the next few years. 2. Look closely at how charter schools operate and why are they successful....IL need sto wake up 3. It would be great if benefits could remain the same, but look at the trends medical insurance premiums are rising abou 10% per year, private sector companies have to modify the annual deductibles, change the quality of services and YES employees have to contribute more each year...few employers pay 100% of the insurance cost. 4. Accountability starts at home, maybe the teachers would not have to deal with some of the issues if the Parents took accountability for their kids behavior in the classroom and their lack of respect for the teachers.....kids that grew up in the 60's and 70's never dreamed of treating teachers with disrespect and parents respected the discipline that teachers had in the classroom....these days all the parents want to do is blame the teacher...it starts at home. Teachers should not be in a union, they are intelligent, educated people who should be able to perform, and be judged on their performance and paid on their merits and performance which includes feedback from parents. Someone previosly made a comment about apples and oranges relating teachers to private sector jobs...If you supervise 100 people and you cannot motivate them to perform....you lose your job.....its all apples.
7:23 am on Thursday, September 13, 2012
"Someone previosly made a comment about apples and oranges relating teachers to private sector jobs...If you supervise 100 people and you cannot motivate them to perform....you lose your job.....its all apples."
That would be me. The reason that I see if differently is that the 100 people that you supervise have a vested interest in doing well, a job and a paycheck.
Teachers on the other hand are expected to get results out of students that have no vested interest in the process.
Teachers can't fire their students for not doing a good job like a manager can fire his/her employees. That's were it becomes apples and oranges.
11:38 pm on Thursday, September 13, 2012
parents have to apply/sign up for charter...means they are invested. That is a HUGE difference that is not being taken into account.
I read, but check me on it, that the teachers could only strike for $. So whether or not it was about $ they need it to be in order to strike. Please check that as I cannot locate my original citing.
6:14 am on Thursday, September 13, 2012
Yes, Carolina ... I can say the same for my job. Actually, I put in MORE hours than any teacher I know. I work more hours per day than they do (average 10 hours in the office) AND I take work home with me on a daily basis. Plus, I do it 12 months a year, together with traveling several times a month to my regional offices. My husband, a police officer, also works more than any teacher as well ... putting in 12-18 hours a day, works holidays, and must be on call for emergencies. In addition, we manage our own business as well and we teach at 2 of our local universities. We, too, have children in college and have plenty of real-world experience as it pertains to teachers' roles in our society. In fact, I've often said that if I could go back in time, I would have home-schooled my children. It's my commentary on both the teachers and the educational system in this country, lest you think I'm picking on your precious teachers.
Having said that, from where I sit, they do have it easier ... you say they don't. Obviously, opinions will vary based on individual perspectives. Such is life.
7:06 am on Thursday, September 13, 2012
Your numbers just don't add up. You say your husband is working 12-18 hours a day. Last time I checked, there were 24 hours in a day. That means that he has 6 hours left that include his commute to/from work, teaching at 2 different universities, preparing his instruction for these classes, grading papers from these students,running the business that you own, eating, sleeping,..
7:30 am on Thursday, September 13, 2012
Kristie: They do add up ... his commute is 1.8 miles away. I'm 8 miles from work, and teach at a university 4 blocks away, 1 evening a week. Hubby teaches an online course 1 evening a week (we are adjunct professors). Preparing, grading, etc. is done during our lunch hours and on our days off. Our home business involves data inquiries and input for various Fortune 500 companies, which can be done anywhere and anytime as long as we have access to our computers.
8:27 am on Thursday, September 13, 2012
What pension reform for Police and Fire? There is none, The reform covers the Teachers and State workers. Not Police, Fire, Judges or Legislators. All of these groups pensions are way more lucritive than teachers. As for the statement, go find another job, the fact that Police and Fire always through up we risk our lives, we deserve more pay us seems to work for them. If Police and Fire are such dangerous jobs in Oswego then you would think there would be some line of duty injuroies or deaths. Can't recall any. How many police died in columbine, oh that's right they didn't even go in until an hour after it was over. Also help me figure out the statement of parents don't know what to do with their kids in chicago since the strike began. My answer is the same thing you did when they were on summer break.
Old Lee
11:09 am on Thursday, September 13, 2012
According to the U.S. Bureau of Labor Statistics, Law enforcement is one of the top ten most dangerous jobs in the United States. It is rank the highest of any profession where a worker faces being murdered on the job (48% of all police fatalities). The facts to support this statement are clear; in 2010, 134 police and sheriff's patrol officers lost their lives on the job. In 2011, 124 law enforcement officers lost their lives. Police officers have the second-highest nonfatal injury rate of any job.
Old Lee
11:13 am on Thursday, September 13, 2012
Police Pension facts: Most Illinois local police officers do not receive medical benefits when they retire. Local police officers have to contribute 10% of their earning into the Down State pension plan and can not spike there salary the last few years with overtime. Granted, local police officers can "retire" and draw their pension at age 50 or now 55 (new law in 2012) with a minimum of 20 years and they would collect 50% of their salary. If they work 30 years on the job they max out and collect 75% of their actual salary (no spikes). The Illinois State Police are in a different pension plan than local police. The State is struggling with State police pension because a State policeman can retire with 26 years on and collect 80% salary (including spiking the last three years with overtime). The State can not keep paying full lifetime medical benefits or keep dipping and borrowing from the pension plans.
My point: Do not think that all local/State pension benefits are the same.
11:34 am on Thursday, September 13, 2012
police officer is #10, out of 10. And it is not 48% murdered, it is 48 total being murdered.
Stuntman, Truck Driver, Garbage Man, Roofers, Miners, Farmers, Airplane Pilots, Lumber workers, and FISHERMEN (in order from lowest to highest) are all more dangerous jobs.
The death rate in fishing is almost TEN TIMES higher than police man, but fishermen will be lucky to make half the salary of a police officer.
You can worship police officers all you want, but you need to face the reality that there are plenty more dangerous jobs, that pay much less than police officer. Out of all those jobs, police officer is also the only one paid for with tax dollars.
You also left out that almost half the fatalities of police officers were in highway traffic accidents. I imagine if we took into traffic accidents into consideration, even an accountant has a more dangerous job than a police officer.
Think I'm joking?
An accountant driving to work;
12.3 deaths per 100,000 from car accidents in the US
A police officer;
18.3 per 100,000 when accidents are included
In other words, a police officer faces just about the same background death rate as the general population.
Ernie Knight
2:15 pm on Thursday, September 13, 2012
Try making that argument to the family of the Ship, Michigan police officer who was killed 2 days ago. He was gunned down on duty.
Old Lee
11:49 am on Thursday, September 13, 2012
@ Tim "According to data from the National Law Enforcement Officers Memorial Fund, 173 officers have been killed during 2011 — up 13 percent from 153 line-of-duty deaths in 2010. For the first time in 14 years, more officers died from firearms-related incidents than traffic-related incidents. Sixty-eight officers were shot and killed in 2011, up 15 percent from 2010 when 59 officers died from gunfire. The number of officers killed by firearms has now risen during each of the past three years." http://www.nleomf.org
Yes, other than in 2011 the majority of police officer deaths on-duty (not driving to and from work) are vehicle related crashes.
11:54 am on Thursday, September 13, 2012
That's all well and good, but those numbers are still much lower than the regular accidental death rate for the general population.
In other words, being a police officer is LESS DANGEROUS overall than the everyday life of a regular citizen.
Ernie Knight
1:04 pm on Thursday, September 13, 2012
As Mark Twain said, "There are three kinds of lies: lies, damn lies and statistics."
How many non-police employees are required to wear body armor? How many are required to run toward the sound of gunfire? How many are required to make traffic stops on armed, violent criminals? How many are required to deal with domestic violence calls, active shooter situations, barricaded subjects, bomb threats? How many are required to fight with angry, violent drunks and drug addicts? How many are required to take control of armed, suicidal subjects?
Simply because cops are good at their job, and accountants are bad drivers, doesn't make being a cop safe. Death rate is not the only measure of danger.
We get that you don't like cops.
Ernie Knight
2:00 pm on Thursday, September 13, 2012
And exactly how is that relevant to the dangers of police work?
11:45 pm on Thursday, September 13, 2012
The 'dangers' of having a lower incidence of accidental death than the general population?
There is no more danger to police work as a whole, than there is to you. In fact, you face more danger than they do. Stop idolizing police work based on nonsensical myths.
Ernie Knight
9:04 am on Friday, September 14, 2012
Somehow I don't think "accidental death" is what most cops and their families are concerned with, Tim.
Ask the family of the murdered Michigan police officer (3 days ago).
Playing with numbers cannot trump reality. Being a cop is dangerous. Body armor is not an affectation.
Gerard Schilling
4:06 pm on Thursday, September 13, 2012
The entire state pays for 30% of Chicago's teacher salaries and benefits including pensions and as such should have inputs into these negotiations. Mine is cut off these funds and if Chicago citizens want to continue to bribe their union bosses to get their political hacks reelected let them pay their own bills!
7:16 pm on Thursday, September 13, 2012
If I were the Mayor of Chicago or any other big city and had to deal with a teachers strike I would tell the teachers They can have anything they want, we will just raise taxes to cover the cost.Every one seems to be against what the mayor is trying to do so just give them what they want,when people leave the city because they can't afford the taxes the city can layoff teachers.By doing this maybe the next time a teachers contract comes up the Mayor will get some support from the taxpayers
7:45 pm on Thursday, September 13, 2012
It's not that easy Tony. People tend to forget that teachers teach the future of this country. You sit in a room with 30 kids all day everyday, and inspire them to do amazing things. The reason you know how to read and write in this blog is thanks to your teachers. People forget that, and the media is portraying them as greedy. In other countries, being a teacher is the highest honor. What's happening here is a shame if you ask me.
Oh and I worked at a school district not as a teacher but as an administrator so I should know.
8:52 pm on Thursday, September 13, 2012
After reading all the comments from this thread it seems to me that a lot of people should have chosen teaching as a career.
I am assuming from reading that all the people who say teaching is easy and that the suburban teachers have it easier are not currently teachers. I don't know why you don't quit your current career and come join the gravy train. (sarcasm) Teachers have it made. (sarcasm) All of the negative comments are obviously from people who went to school and now have kids in school so therefore they are qualified to evaluate teachers. (sarcasm) Hey that sounds like the current evaluation for teachers. Completely unfair. I put sarcasm in quotes for all of you who had lousy teachers when you grew up while walking to school uphill both ways in the snow.
9:34 am on Friday, September 14, 2012
"All of the negative comments are obviously from people who went to school and now have kids in school so therefore they are qualified to evaluate teachers. (sarcasm)"
Brilliantly put (no sarcasm). I've been struggling to figure out how so many ignorant people can feel comfortable being so vocal about something they know nothing about, but you've nailed it. These experts you've described join forces with the, "If I don't get baseline level quasi-fair treatment in the workplace no one should...If others demand it they're greedy" or "My husband and I chose to work multiple jobs and never have any free time ever (literally....ever), so no one should expect free time...If they ask for semi-decent compensation they're greedy." You're so right. In addition to those thought processes there's, "I had cruddy teachers in the seventies, so the Chicago teachers of 2012 should let unions nationwide bend over and take it from Rahm and others determined to privatize and profit from education, setting the teachers up for unfair and imminent termination based on illogical evaluations." Or "My cherubic son/daughter had a bad (fill in the grade) teacher, so this strike must be about those evil unions and the greedy teachers throwing a tantrum and demanding more money."
You've filled in the missing piece, Tom. I sincerely thank you.
2:03 pm on Friday, September 14, 2012
LMS...where will the money come from for these increases since you are so brilliant?
4:13 am on Friday, November 9, 2012
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Published by Melody Moezzi at 12:00 AM under Bipolar Depression | Bipolar Disorder | Bipolar Safety | Bipolar symptoms | Bipolar Treatment | Communication | Community | coping skills | DBSA | Depression | For Loved Ones | General | Living Well | Mania | Melody Moezzi | parenting | partner | self-care | Stress
I often hear from people seeking advice on ways to help a friend or family member living with bipolar disorder. Though each situation is unique, my initial advice is always the same:
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So, today is a first: The first time I've ever been late submitting a post in my over two years blogging for bphope. My excuse? There's a stadium in my head...or at least there was.
Last night, going on 48 hours of no sleep, sitting on the floor of my living room, amid a sea of purses, scarves, belts and socks, I began to hear a sportscaster saying nothing in particular and fans cheering. But neither the radio nor television was on, and no one else was in the room. It was just me and my carpet full of accessories (all of which I was planning to color-code and organize in a few minutes that became a few hours that became a few more still). I knew right away what was happening. It used to be that I could skip a few nights of sleep no problem, but not anymore. Now, I pay for lost sleep with hallucinations. On the whole, they're not vicious or vindictive or anything. Still, they're annoying. For example, I don't even like most sports, let alone sporting events, but there I was, smack-dab in the middle of one. Nevertheless, I knew what to do. But just as my head was about to hit the pillow, I remembered: "Crap, my blog post!" There was a day when I would have insisted on writing it immediately no matter what, but now I know better. I know I'm incapable of writing--strike that, thinking--coherently when I reach the Stadium-in-my-Head moment. So I did the unthinkable: I slept.
Right now, after nearly seven full hours of slumber, there is no competition in my head. Had I stayed awake, however, I may very well have reached a dangerous place by now. It's a short ride from the moment where I know that the game in my head isn't real to the moment where the game seems just as real as any other, where abnormal seems normal. I missed that ride last night, and thankfully, the more I miss it, the less adamant the station agent becomes about selling me a ticket. Nonetheless, my apologies for being late.
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As many of you know, I do a lot of speaking engagements, and recently, after giving a talk on hope and mental illness, a woman in the audience raised her hand and matter-of-factly announced she was a prophet. Immediately, I was concerned for her, thinking she must be in the midst of some manic or psychotic episode. But then, as she continued to speak, I noticed that she wasn't exhibiting any of the telltale signs. Her speech was coherent and not at all pressured, and her prophecies made sense: be kind; love one another; we're all God's children--that sort of thing. So, who is to say she isn't a prophet? Not that I'm saying she is. For one, I feel like announcing you're a prophet in the middle of a lecture hall isn't behavior particularly befitting a prophet. But again, who am I to say? The thing is, I believe in lots of things that others write off as being completely ridiculous: God, angels, mystics, prophets, shamans, mediums, sensitives, aliens, etc. Still, I see no contradiction between these beliefs and the existence of serious mental illness that requires treatment. People love talking about how what constitutes faith and mysticism in one setting could easily be viewed as insanity in another. Perhaps. Nevertheless, for me, there's a clear difference between enlightenment and mania, bliss and psychosis. My spirituality doesn't hurt my family or friends, and my faith doesn't fill my head with dangerous beliefs that could seriously hurt me and the people I love (e.g. I'm invincible! I can cross streets without looking; I can fly; I can swallow razor blades.) So, it troubles me when people liken madness to mysticism. The former tortures and oppresses, while the latter soothes and elevates. Whatever the case, if believing you're a prophet--or a goat or a fish for that matter--makes you a better person and doesn't hurt anyone around you, I say go for it. Whatever works.
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Greetings from thirty thousand feet. If you read my blogs or columns on even a sporadic basis, then you probably know by now that I often find myself up in the air like this and more to the point, that I hate it. The idea is lovely: up in the air, above the clouds, defying gravity. But then there's the reality. The stale air, the tiny seats, the parading past business class as "platinum" passengers pity you, the screaming children, the miserable businessmen--and that's the short list. So, why do I do it--over and over again? Because I love seeing new places, meeting new people, eating new foods and hearing new voices. At the moment, for example, I'm headed to Jordan for the first time in my life, and I'm thrilled about it. I'm excited to be training some amazing journalists from around the world at a conference sponsored by Google, the UN and the World Bank; I'm excited to be visiting some exquisite historic sites; I'm excited to ride camels and scuba dive in the Red Sea. Still, at this exact moment, I want to throw up.But you can't get to new exciting lands without some suffering, and as a rule, the more you suffer to get there, the sweeter it is when you finally arrive. To get to this beautiful place in my life--where I love what I do and manage to make a living doing it--I've had to go through hell. In my 34 years on this planet, I've nearly died three times. I've fought discrimination, hatred and bigotry. I've encountered exile, isolation and restraints. And I've been poked, prodded, cut open, and sewed back up. But today, my life is extraordinary on so many different levels, and so much of that is the result of the traumas I've endured. So, should you find yourself in the midst of a crisis today, take heart. Eventually, the turbulence will end and the nausea will abate, and when that happens, you just might find yourself in a place more beautiful than "normal" could ever be.
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Shortly after graduating law school, I took a job as an estate attorney. It wasn't a particularly exciting gig, but I did learn an important lesson: the more painful it is to plan ahead, the more important it is to do so. As a species, we don't enjoy thinking about what will happen to our families after we die or vice versa. Plus, many people think "estate-planning" is something only the wealthy do or should do. It's not. Of course, to a certain extent, it's just a nice way of saying "legal tax evasion for rich people," but there's another side: pain evasion. I can't tell you how many times I've witnessed families agonize for months over something that easily could have been resolved with a five or ten minute conversation with their now deceased loved-one. But no one wants to have these conversations, so we don't...and we suffer for it later. For those of us living with mental illness, moreover, that suffering can be even worse.
One example: A mother leaves her estate to her son, and when she dies, the son happens to be manic. Instead of investing his inheritance wisely, he spends it all on drugs or strip clubs or bubble gum or any number of other lethal, degrading, and/or otherwise dumb, decadent items or activities. Had mom put his inheritance into a trust to which he would only have access were he of sound mind and judgment, then she could have saved him and his remaining family a whole lot of grief. I could present dozens of other examples here, but the message is the same: If you care for your family, plan ahead--even if it means having difficult conversations or shelling out a bit of cash for your friendly neighborhood estate lawyer. And just to be clear, I no longer practice, so this isn't me trying to drum up business.
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