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Spies's cognitive evolution
15 May 2009
Pierre Spies on his return to form, steroid allegations and his quest to be the best No 8 in the world.
Over the course of our conversation Pierre Spies speaks openly about a range of interesting topics – the pain of missing the 2007 World Cup due to a rare blood disease and how religion helped him stave off depression in that period, life as a newlywed and the benefits of not having to drop his wife off at home after a night out, Schalk Burger's explosiveness in Test matches despite his laid-back attitude to training, and the won't-go-away rumours of steriod use – none of which capture the attention more than a simple response to a simple question.
'Who is the best No 8 in world rugby?' I ask. I fully expect him to rattle off some boring bullshit like: 'That's tough. Ryan Kankowski is an unbelievable player, and that bloke from Wales, whatshisname? Powell? Ja, Andy Powell, that boy can play a bit. And the Irishman, Jamie Heaslip, he's coming through nicely. Oh ja, and Rodney So'oialo …'
Instead, I'm met with a thoughtful gaze before the most unexpected response. 'That player is still in the making. It's me.'
'Wait a minute, you're breaking protocol here,' I say. 'You're supposed to sing the praises of the first half-decent players who spring to mind. So, I'll ask again for fear of misquoting you: who is the best No 8 in world rugby?'
'Look, I'm not going to make excuses for having confidence in my ability,' Spies fires back. 'If you look at the guys out there, not much separates them. I'd like to think I have that extra bit that sets me apart. I know it'll be perceived as arrogance, like: "Listen to this guy talking himself up. He needs to learn his place." That's the way we are as humans isn't it? We're encouraged to aspire to be the greatest, then shot down when we do. But it's not arrogance. I know my limitations and strengths and I'd like to believe that I can be the best in the world.'
I'm incredulous by now, stunned at what I'm hearing, but completely overjoyed to be listening to a player spitting unbridled truths.
'I know I have a long way to go,' he says. 'But I want to get to the point where coaches, players and the public think about the best No 8s in the game and my name is at the forefront of their minds.'
We'll discuss the physical and technical evolution of Pierre Spies at length, but from the outset there's no denying that a cognitive evolution has been at the heart of his return to something resembling his best form.
This is my sixth Spies interview in four years. We've spoken extensively about playing on the wing in his rookie Super Rugby season, the death of his father, becoming a Springbok, a nightmarish debut Test and how that was the catalyst for his transition from man-child to man, an outstanding 2007 Super 14 campaign which culminated in him kneeling down on the King's Park turf thanking God, who he communes with regularly, and his decision to specialise at eighthman.
But this is the first time I encounter this Spies. He has progressed beyond the self-effacing kid whose offerings were often a hybrid of the mundane and clichéd. There's a self-belief that was missing or concealed in his formative years. A self-belief that allows him to confidently share his vision of being the best No 8 in the world.
Evolution in the world's elite players is triggered by an evolution in their mindset. The body is at the complete mercy of the mind and since the end of the 2008 season Spies's mind has been barking orders at his body with the intensity and relentlessness of a commanding officer in the US Marine Corps.
My previous encounters with Spies mean I'm well aware of how physically imposing he is. I'm no expert on conditioning, but to my mind he had reached his physical ceiling prior to the 2007 World Cup, so I'm fully expecting a man mountain to come striding through the doors of a cafe close to Loftus, where we've agreed to meet, but wholly unprepared for what I am about to encounter.
I interviewed Spies in Cape Town just before news of his illness broke, and then it seemed the Boks' kit manager would have to put in an order for custom-made apparel. No professional sportsman, I thought, could get more muscular than that. At least not naturally. But we'll delve into that nagging issue in a minute.
Yet Spies is bigger and even more imposing than he was 18 months ago. He looks like a lab experiment who had spent that period doing nothing more than being intravenously pumped with protein and lifting weights the size of a five-year-old. My hand disappears in his as we greet and I catch myself measuring my thigh and wondering if it's bigger than his bicep. Brutal honesty leads me to the conclusion that it is, in fact, not.
I'll throw some stats your way to underline the majesty of the beast who has just declined a meal and a Coke, preferring mineral water instead. 'I'll eat later,' he says. 'What? A baby rhino?' I wonder. Spies power cleans 135kg. He dead lifts 240kg. He bench presses 165kg. Only mildly impressed? Wait, here are some more. He is able to do pull-ups with a 50kg weight between his legs. He can launch his 108kg body 1.4m onto a raised platform, sprints for 835m before slowing on a repeated sprint-ability test and has a body-fat percentage of 6.5.
'Pierre has been blessed with amazing genes and has maximised those,' Bulls conditioning coach Basil Carzis says. 'As humans we don't really know what our full physical potential is. We think we're pushing the limits but the reality is that we're not even close most of the time. Pierre refuses to die wondering.
'Mediocrity doesn't sit well with him. In the gym he pushes himself to lift the most, jump the highest and run the fastest. We have competitions between teams in the gym and you're feeling pretty confident if Pierre is on your side. Physically he's well above the norm. I've heard the term freak used to describe him and that's probably accurate.'
But there's a nagging thought in my mind: What if this freak is a drug cheat?
Since the modern era of drug testing began at the Pan Am Games in '83 I've seen more elite athletes banned for the use of performance-enhancing substances than I care to remember. I recall sitting transfixed as US sprinter Marion Jones took gold at the Sydney Olympics 100m final in 2000, wondering who on earth would ever be as quick, and I watched juiced-up baseballer Barry Bonds hit his 654th career home run at Yankee Stadium, craning my neck to see the ball land in the car park outside. Gods among mere mortals, I thought. Floyd Landis, Ben Johnson, countless swimmers, weightlifters, cyclists and sprinters … drug cheats the lot of them.
Everything inside me wants to believe that Spies is different. I want to believe that true athletic phenoms, ones with no intruders in their bloodstream, still walk the earth. He speaks candidly about the rumours which have dogged him throughout his senior career and, rightly or wrongly, I'm sold.
'What can I do about those rumours? Nothing,' he says with a resigned tone. 'I can't shape what people think. But those people who make those sorts of allegations aren't there with me in the gym when everyone else has gone home. They don't see what I eat, the lengths I go to to look after my body. They're not there when my mates are going partying and I turn down the invite because I know it will affect the way I train. They're not there. They don't see what sacrifices I make.'
OK, let's establish something: this is not an article hailing the arrival of a Messiah. Spies is flawed and doesn't at any stage attempt to plaster over the cracks in his game. At 23 it would, of course, be grossly unfair to expect him to be flawless, as it would at 24 or even 25.
Yet such is his extraordinary talent that we continue to judge him by an exaggerated standard. It's partly his own doing. How dare he raise our expectations of him with performances like he delivered against England at Loftus in 2007, or more recently, in the Super 14? Silly boy. How dare he give us glimpses of heaven then facilitate our return to a reality that pales in comparison.
'I set a high standard for myself but at times it seems like I have to make 15 linebreaks, 100 tackles and score five tries carrying four defenders on my back across the tryline,' Spies laments. 'I want to be a player who dominates matches because I don't think I do yet. It'll take time but I will get there.'
Heyneke Meyer is the authority on Spies. Before he resigned as the Bulls' director of rugby in 2007 he'd been considerably more than Spies's coach. He was and remains a father figure and confidant.
'He's been phenomenal recently – really, really good – but we haven't seen the best of Pierre yet, not even close, and won't for a couple of years to come,' Meyer says. 'He was great in 2007 but mentally his illness would have slowed his development. He's showing glimpses of his best form again, but it's important to keep in mind everything he's been through and the fact that he's only 23.
'Physically he's superb and in this regard is unmatched by any No 8 in world rugby. He doesn't have all the technical skills of a great No 8 yet, but whenever he gets his hands on the ball he has an explosive quality that you just can't coach. Give him a year where he stays injury free and he'll become the best No 8 in the world.'
No analysis of Spies would be complete without the insights of former Bok coach Jake White, who watched Spies being buried alive on debut (the 49-0 hammering by the Wallabies in Brisbane in 2006) and then saw him kick the casket lid open, dust away the soil, and stride purposefully into the rest of his Test career.
'People are talking about him like they did when he arrived on the scene in 2006,' White says. 'I think Pierre is back to where he was when he was playing his best rugby in 2007. The second try he scored against the Blues [in the Super 14] was a replica of the one he scored against England in 2007 at Loftus where he busted through four tackles. It was sensational and gave me goosebumps.
'But we have to remember that he still needs to mature as a player. He's so big and strong we forget how young he actually is. People see him as something that he'll be one day, but isn't yet. He'll get mentally stronger and that will bring about improvements across the board. It's not that he disappears in tight games as is the perception, it's that he's not as mentally tough as he will be when he's 26, 27, 28. He'll learn the shortcuts and when he does, performances like the ones against England and the Blues will become the norm.
'He has all the attributes to become the best No 8 the world has ever seen.'
By Ryan Vrede
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94 Comments
15 May 2009, 14:04 pmHorses for Courses i'de still pick Danie Roussouw. It's not that i think that he's the most amazing player in the world in terms of pure athleticism or skill levels, but given the other two likely loosies (Schalk and Juan) the key is balance. Pierre is a ball carrier like Juan. Danie does a lot of the tight work that is often overlooked but man, if it's not there the other guys are put under a lot of pressure. We can't all hang around the backline…
15 May 2009, 14:05 pmahh so when I make the comment its smart *** but when you make it its ok …. quite sanctimonious aren't you… I have no story with Spies I think he's a good player …. mind you I also think Luke Watson is a good player but you wouldn't heckle about that would you… I wonder why
15 May 2009, 14:06 pm#51 stormersboy: will Schalk be ready?
15 May 2009, 14:19 pm#29 Transformation: YAAAAWN!
15 May 2009, 14:24 pm#53 SpringbokSarah: I'm not sure. Still in my opinion no place for Pierre if Juan is there. They end up playing very similar games. Brussouw would be my next bet if schalk is out. Not sure if PDV will pick him though. He'll probably go with Watson…
15 May 2009, 14:28 pm#52 gunther: your wondering is an exercise in futility…okay let's see, on this thread make a comment on the article in sa rugby mag, i voice my opinion on spies..on the other hand, you mr what do you do? Take potshots @ me by alluding that i must be "suffering from whine flu" and again what does that result in, yes, a jibe from me to calm u down a little…
Do u see a pattern here…i make a comment about the subject matter (prince or spies) and you throw smart@ss comments @ me or anyone you disagree with…hhmmm, you did the same with the_duke…
15 May 2009, 14:44 pmGood Lord…240…jeez!!!! Surely that can't be true… I will NOT mess with this dude…I repeat I will NOT mess with this dude if that stats is true…
15 May 2009, 14:54 pm#54 CANADIAN BOK: yawwwn!!
15 May 2009, 15:05 pmSometimes watching the insults go back and forth here reminds me of a Zille-Malema debate. You both may have had a point in the beginning, but after a while no one can remember what it is and everyone looks a bit stupid….
15 May 2009, 15:21 pm#59 stormersboy: malema could have an argument with himself given half the chance
15 May 2009, 15:24 pm#60 fish out of water: Too true…but so could some of our muppet lot
15 May 2009, 15:31 pm#61 stormersboy: the bickering coupled with the stupid and offensive comments from those muppits is the reason I have not been reading or posting too many comments for a while.
15 May 2009, 15:37 pm#59 stormersboy: hey stormerboy, how are you this afternoon? Don't worry it's a sad reality, that some muppets don't have views hence they latch on to other peoples comments and try & disparage them, i mean if they had the ability to formulate they own thoughts, what stops them frm doing so, then we'd have a difference of opinion here which would be lekker…
Do you still read & ponder about what malema says? Julius has been handed over to sylvester chauke (marketing manager @ nandos) he has taken on the duty to rid our national discourse of the curse that is julius…helen must please not pick fights with julius because all she's doing is giving julius press mileage
15 May 2009, 15:46 pm#63 Transformation: Hey Trans talking of forming an opinion. I've just formed one you aint gonna like: Man Utd – Premier League Champions 2009 in my opinion.
15 May 2009, 15:56 pmU mean natural PHYSICAL endownment…
The word "talent" has a much wider definition which I believe is not the best characterisation to describe Spies.
But he is a sight to see,the perfect specimen for a rugby player.
But as far is freaks go ONLY ONE NAME DEFINES it the best in rugby circles:
15 May 2009, 16:07 pm#64 bananaboy: whatever dude, you paid money for the championship, referee howard webb got a fat brown envelope for the penalty he gave you @ spurs…and the dubious free kicks that cry-baby ronaldo's been getting all season…you can take the league, but barcelona is going to make mince meat out of you!
15 May 2009, 16:14 pmPage 3 Boys…Magazine/articles dedicated by Keo and others to these individuals.gotten tiresome
Fourie Du Preez
Pierre Spies
Jaque Fourie
Frans Steyn
Jean De Villiers
Schalk Burger
Brian HabanaAdd to that snippets about Eddie Jones and Jake White…sheesh
What about writing stories on:
Beast Mtawarira
Bismarck Du Plessis
Wynand Olivier's comeback
Wayne van heerden resurrection
rise of Johan van Deventer
Stories on talents wasted/dissapeared ala:Jorrie Muller,Dewey Swartbooi,Roland Bernard,Leon Karemaker,Ashley Jonhson,Hercules Venter etcLuzuko Vulindlu
Jongi Nokwe
Odwa Ndungane-his consistency
Morne Steyn
The Trompie Nontshinga story(Bulls/Lions/Cheetahs/Naka/Griquas)
Keegan Daniel
Danie Rossouw(unsung hero)
Guthro Steenkamp
Steven Sykes
Deon Steggman
Dewaldt Potgieter
Eric SaulsJust some suggestions…from the tiresome BS regurgitated every issue
15 May 2009, 16:17 pmAny story on Adi Jacobs and his career ups and downs
15 May 2009, 16:24 pm#67 mshiniwami: beast has had a cover already & adi's story was in the same beast covered issue, so ryan is going to jump on your neck on those, ha ha ha…
15 May 2009, 16:28 pmwhich football team do you support – uk and sa?
15 May 2009, 16:42 pmsouth africa – kaizer chiefs i don't support any team in england…
15 May 2009, 16:51 pm#67 mshiniwami: it is the october issue of last year, it had stories on adi, chilli boy, brussow, nick koster, big joe and mr know-it-all eddie jones, doing what he does best ie criticising other coaches, this time pdv was getting the shanks!
15 May 2009, 16:54 pm#71 Transformation: hi Transformation….cmon…i know you love MAN U !!..Personally i support Ajax in RSA , Man U and also enjoy Barca…
15 May 2009, 16:56 pmamazulu and red devils – the greatest football team the world has ever seen.
15 May 2009, 17:02 pmsince when did this turn into the boring round ball game forum?
15 May 2009, 17:08 pmhumblest apologies
15 May 2009, 17:14 pm#75 fish out of water:read keo's red statement…people come here "for rugga & a bit of banter", this my man is the bit if banter part…ha ha ha
#73 grant10:me? Love manure? No ways, bunch of pompous individuals, their manager being the top cheese! Did you hear him on saturday? A journalist from sky asks him about tevez, he replies "i don't want to talk about it, i'm not going to talk about him, OKAY?"…the stupid sycophant of a journalist moved on to the next question like a bloody school boy!!
15 May 2009, 17:23 pm#74 charo: in your dreams charo…man yoo hasn't even reached liverpool's record of english league titles, let alone european cup titles, but you wouldn't know that or if u knew it you would purposefully ignore it & follow the manure hype…lol…man u haven't set any records in world football, they have chance now of being the only side to succesfully defend the champions league…we will see!
15 May 2009, 17:30 pm#77 Transformation: #78 Transformation: The wily old scotsman has chewed up many a journalist…Man u are very special…those records will come….support Ajax because i used to play against Craig Rosslees older brother David a lot back in the day….Craig was a teenager then and full of talent…the Rosslee brothers were very good footballers…
15 May 2009, 17:34 pm#71 Transformation: Respect!
15 May 2009, 18:07 pmfootball joke …. please note I have NO football affiliations… except for Bafana Bafana to win the world cup…
Police have confirmed that two Premiership
footballers have had their houses burgled
on the same night last Tuesday.Ryan Giggs had 70 welsh caps, 10 premiership
medals, 2 champions league medals, 5 FA cup
medals, 1 league cup medal, 2 world club
cup medals, 8 charity shield medals and 1
super cup medal stolen.Emmanuel Adebayor lost a kettle and a toaster.
15 May 2009, 18:11 pm#81 gunther: LOL…I rest my case…
15 May 2009, 18:16 pmready for a totty?
15 May 2009, 18:21 pm#83 gunther: always!! Went to justrugby for this mornings game …kick off 9 30 am…by the time game finished a fair amount of whiskey and a bottle of SA s finest red done and dusted!! Slept the whole bloody afternoon….LOL
15 May 2009, 18:24 pm#81 gunther: arsene wenger confirmed yesterday that chelsea are interested in buying adebayor and that he is willing to release the player…when asked to comment on chelsea's interest oin him, adebayor answered, "it's like being coveted by beyonce"…i rest my case…
15 May 2009, 18:24 pmyou missed nothng …. newlands was a desolate place this aternoon..
15 May 2009, 18:27 pm#86 gunther: LOL bloody dark and spooky here in clifton….that sea looks dangerous!
15 May 2009, 18:31 pmstay off the beach…. big swell coming … Atlantic could end up in your living room…
15 May 2009, 18:35 pm#88 gunther: LOL….thats a fact…or at least wash my car away…parked in Victoria Rd!!!If it is as crazy as i think it may be i will be on that beach taking photos…love this stuff !!!
15 May 2009, 19:27 pmhe will be good company for drogba…
15 May 2009, 19:34 pmthen again Beyonce….I would …. definitely…
16 May 2009, 04:37 amMuch of the criticism of Spies appears to stem from sour grapes. I would love to know whence the "steroid" allegations (rumours) emanate. This could be most revealing. The solution is simple – tests! I would wager that they would be negative.
Pierre take the unjustified comments as praise – I think the authors are scared of your prowess! -
18 May 2009, 16:51 pmthis is the best article i have ever read on this site.. very interesting i must say!
16 May 2010, 21:22 pmspies' cognitive evolution, this was almost exactly a year ago…
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One cannot realize the nourishing* qualities of hardy barley until they have tried Golden Grain Belt Beer. It gives vigor to the tired body and strengthens the wear-, brain. Order of oeare*- be sup plied, bv E. S. Tanner, Li Falls. _ ,'n an Amusing Case of Ist-skcn Identity. ted if there ever oc- ■ re -iuii_.liaj_ instance of ity ilian that afforded _-U.!**lii=-i hutnor- ! un me about lravi-i '-IMH Eug- ai".ivraa._____l journey at Dover !fe5|_^[e chan ,ed his hoots, ordered a slight dinner | and went : rough the town. [Returning at the appointed surprised to lind the | wheel.' I in ..infusion. A I crowd had collected outside the door. The ma: ter i .' Ihe house was su. ut the fot-,1 of Ihe stairs with two c-an- I'li-odore's 1 backward In Mtid ■ ondti red hint Into the priu- . liters were ' rt*- pasl had ; Th'* wit was ['mused a •nity to which he had heen promoted. !>;it. being au e.ples full ice to ' re him. Next day • Intention of departing h, when, to his astonishment, a i ut d four drove Up tee ill ti) tO !il !ii0U. jle |u rehenslOD r all this grandeur and was i;<> less astonished than on recei "Noth high ness.'' He was never more thoroughly mystified, but the next uight, on taking ol ts, which he had bought ready made just before he went to r, he found "13. S. ... the I'rince of Orange" written inside tlietu. They had bwu originally made for the prince, who was then in England suing for the b Charlotte. and notice had been given that all his expenses while iu the country should be set dowu to the charge of the government.—Minneapolis News. Fight Quack Grass Now Get to work now on the small patches of quack ,_frass. Set them apart for special attention durinor the rest of '.he summer. Keep the underground stems from being dragged to other parts of the field. If patches are too larye to smother with tar paper dig up the grass, shake out the roots and underyround stems carefully, and haul them from and burn. A five or six-tined fork will be found a valuable tool for this work. If dead the roots and stems may be plowed under to increase fertility. Look the patches over every week to catch any plants that may have been left or that may have developed. These patches mav be planted to any cultivated crops. For management of large patches or fields of quack grass see _\Iin- eas liulleyin Nc______<> J. Schilling of Duluth has been employed as local manager of the Bridgeman-Rus- sell creamery to succeed T.E. Eckstrand. Mr. Eckstrand and familv leave tomorrow to pav a visit to his home at Cokato. I'Yee'dhem Struck out Virnig*, 2. 1 2 3 4 0 1 1. 0 1 2 0 0 --by Smith, •_> —3 by rz and a team from the town of Buh locked horns Tuesday afternoon, the local team coming out victorious by a score of 9 to 4. Batteries: Buh, Tschida, Bollig, Marshik, Gau, pitchers, Bollig, Marshik, catchers; Pierz, K'ernan, \"irnij_f pitchers, Macho, Morrill, catchers. Score by innings: 12 3. 5 6 7 Pierz 0 14 10 2 1 Buh 0 0 0 4 0 0 0 —4 Struck out---by K'ernan, 4; by Virnig, 3; by Tschida, 2. IS STILL MERE. J. Winstein, the iron buyer, is still here and is buying old iron, copper, brass, rubbers and rags. You will always find him at the Pierz Hotel. Harrowing corn is not recommended, but if farmers persist in this practice it should be done when the corn is dry. It is then less tender and not so liable to be broken down. Harrowing should not be done when the ground is wet and weather cold. Care must be exercised not to thin out the stand when harrowing. If the ground is lumpy, full of old corn stalks or rubbish harrowing- is even more undesirable than on good land. Frank Zuleger was called td Rice's last Saturday, being- informed that his brother Jos. Zuleger of that place is seriously ill with pneumonia. MORRISON COUNTY TELEPHONE ■ COHPAN OPEN HOURS From 7:30 A.M. to 12 M; 1 P.M to 6 P.M. 7 ,, to 9 ,, Every day except Sunday. The service Sunday will be from 9 to 10 in the morning jand 7 io 8 in the evening. _•—o—*—o—*—o—+—o- We loan money on improved FARMS at the cneape^t rates. ^ We offer you the Convenience and Safety of a checking account. Open an Account with the now ...ivities. ••Xliiit j seems lo bave ' made a bit at yum- lion "Yes;* I judge be luis. .Ma's investi- i gating bis family tree, aud pa's loot- | ;u_- 11 staudiu-,."— sblngtou Herald. GERMAN STATE BANK r o i i r o I r • •f o I r PIERZ, niNN. { -o * o- -o- -o—+—0- o e I -6-4» OR A CLEAN ^AVE? Ai
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Robert Aufuldish to serve as president of Lake County Commissioners board
Lake County Commissioner Robert E. Aufuldish was elected Monday by his two fellow commissioners to serve as the board's president for 2013.
Aufuldish's appointment was made during the commissioners' annual organizational meeting, required by law to be held the second Monday of the year.
The president runs the meetings and is often the first person contacted about upcoming issues. The position of president does not come with any additional authority or pay.
Former Commissioner Raymond E. Sines had held the position for the previous two years.
Aufuldish was also appointed as the commissioners' representative to the Lake County Geographic Information System Board, Lake Erie Energy Development Corp. (known as LEEDCo), and Lake County Land Reutilization Corp. (known as the county land bank).
Commissioner Judy Moran was appointed as the commissioners' representative to the Lake County Automatic Data Processing Board, Lake County Microfilming Board, Lake County Narcotics Agency Executive Board, and Lake County Visitors Bureau Board of Trustees.
Commissioner Daniel P. Troy was appointed as the commissioners' representative to the Lake County Solid Waste Management Policy Committee and Lake County Board of Revision.
Moran and Troy were also selected as members of the Lake County Investment Advisory Committee, which along with the county Treasurer, meets quarterly to review the county's investment portfolio.
At the organizational meeting each year, commissioners typically appoint a county apiary inspector, and they again selected Jim Davis, who held the job last year.
The position, which is mandated by state law, does not require a license and is generally filled by someone who has beehives themselves. Continued...
The inspector, who works on a part-time basis, is paid $14 per hour plus 50 cents per mile and goes into the hives once a year to look for potential diseases.
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Kakashi kept if in store for when the time to bithclap Sasuke across the face with it comes...
So, anyone find a replacement?
Hey guys, i'm new here. Guess this will do www.mangaeden.com
Bless your heart. Thank you, clyde.
Hah... the empire doesn't realise that the force is with us rebels... ! I've been using this site for don't know how long now... http://www.mangareader.net/
Gosh, I love the return of Itachi...
...Itachi. Shit. I forgot that. Well.... that... now i'm interested.
For once, it seems a Bleach chapter is more interesting than a Naruto chapter.
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Man, what the hell is Hashirama? The more they talk about him the more god-like he seems. I honestly can't believe he's dead... hell is he dead? Anyway, in spite of how boring the developments of the last two chapters were (I know he's trying to pace the story) this one was pretty good. I expected Sasuke to try and kill Itachi thinking he was a fake, but I liked the way things are turning out even in my favorite characters still haven't done much.
The Kages vs. Madara didn't turn out to be as exciting as I expected... enough of this foolishness... ! Where is Naruto and Bee... !? Nice reunion of the brothers btw... go Itachi... ! Stop the Edo Tensei... !
Soo... I'm not liking manga reader. The translations are shit. Anyone recommend better?
son of a bitch. It's terrible.
Itachi can still use the Sharingan though, mind control anyone? But that's pretty lame for a shonen manga.
sasuke's right behind him, i'm betting itachi'll trick him into canceling the jutsu for him, with sasuke watching with the sharingan so he now can cancel it for the rest.
"Tsunade's taken a big hit! Hope her special jutsu can get her out of this predicament." - you just said what will happen. Why was i so surprized? i can't believe I didn't think that.
Linkman0596, you're absolutely right. Seems obvious.
Tsunade has to die in order for Naruto to become Hokage... her cleavage will be missed... hope that Sasuke will be somewhat useful for once...
Her, die? No... I always thought the series could wait till he's older than 15 for him to be Hokage. I doubt the series is ending after this, unless it's not speculation and confirmed.
@Galaxy Crisis: except, kabuto might only cancel itachi's edo (not sure why he didn't already) and sasuke might ... something, and learn?
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So you think it's possible that Kabuto can selectively cancel an Edo Tensei, effectively eliminating Itachi while keeping the other revived shinobi available.
I don't think it works that way. If it did, Kabuto would have done something the moment he lost control of Itachi due to Shisui's Sharingan.
Even if a selective cancellation is possible, I say again, the only reason Sasuke would want to stop the Edo Tensei controlling the other revived shinobi would be to foil Tobi's plans.
In other words, even if Sasuke does learn how to stop Edo Tensei doesn't necessarily mean he will.
true, but itachi might be willing to let himself die again to at least give sasuke the ability to cancel it, even if he wont right away. from there, the story could go for sasuke's redemtion where he cancelles the jutsu and saves the village, or he takes control of it himself and focuses it all on the leaf village and naruto. something along these lines at least. and as for why he didn't do it already? who knows, it's kaborochimaru, he's got all sorts of insane reasons for stuff, maybe he'll try to remove his eyes, which can only be done while alive even if through this jutsu, so that he can finally have his own sharingan
My read on the trend of the story: Kabuto will somehow win and take over Sasuke's body and will be the ultimate nemesis.
Also, the 'talk after the battle thing' that Itachi mentioned, that's impossible. If they somehow defeat Kabuto and cancel Edo Tensei, Itachi will also be released, and Itachi won't be able to talk to Sasuke.
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Also, the 'talk after the battle thing' that Itachi mentioned, that's impossible. If they somehow defeat Kabuto and cancel Edo Tensei, Itachi will also be released, and Itachi won't be able to talk to Sasuke.
SO, either Kabuto goes über, Orochimaru comes back or Sasuke is going to be pissed.
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Also, the 'talk after the battle thing' that Itachi mentioned, that's impossible. If they somehow defeat Kabuto and cancel Edo Tensei, Itachi will also be released, and Itachi won't be able to talk to Sasuke.
But It'd be fitting if he tapped him on the head one last time before he finally disappears forever.
Actually it's possible that while entrancing Kabuto with Tsukiyomi he'll have the opportunity to talk. As we well know by no Itachi can completely control space time with that technique.
Now I want to see Tsunade in Slug Sage mode, Kakashi in Dog Sage Mode, and Gai in Tortoise Sage Mode. I have not really given thought of the idea that there can be other Sage Modes. Now I want to see if that really gives Kabuto a big boost of advantage, or still the hot burning eyes of the Uchiha will still make its way.
Now i wish i remember everything i read on the sage mode. Apparently it makes you gain properties of the animal for each time you fail to do something properly? Naruto only got the eyes. kabuto has the skin and horns... So, what else is observed by this?
As I recall, the less of a transformation that takes place from an individual entering sage mode the more complete it is. It was remarked by the little old frog that Naruto was amazing for only his eyes changing since even Jiraya gained a few toad features. I can't remember what they said makes it more or less complete, maybe it's just compatibility. I know it probably just didn't exist in the story back when he was alive, but what did Orochimaru lack to be able to get Sage Mode, I thought the general thought was that he was better than Jiraya in everything (even though it didn't actually seem like it).
Anyway I also wan see other people in sage mode, imagine Guy in sage mode with the eight gates open... wicked. Oh, that does bring a thought though can ANY animal teach it to a human or just certain ones... ahh he probably won't expand on this, oh well.
Man... that snake sage must be the the baddest pimp in all of Naruto universe...
Kabuto having Sage Mode has made me really think that he will be the ultimate nemesis of Naruto. Also, I am thinking if the Dragon Sage Mode also has the same time limit as Toad Sage Mode of 5 minutes. If it does, then the Uchihas just have to wait till the Sage Mode wears out. I doubt if Kabuto also has Shadow Clones lurking around somewhere gathering the Senjutsu chakra.


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So true. Literally nearly all of the life-long Lab. voters I know - at least, those with whom I've discussed it - have given up on them for now - and these aren't radical lefties, just normal progressives - and decamped to support for the Greens, for want of a more appropriate home.
As if the Greens weren't going in all the wrong direction either. Some of us are simply despairing.
Related issue -
AOS wear balaclavas to hide their identity for security issues or to ensure their future royalties are paid.
Gray killed 13 people and they're calling him a bad shot, that is crass in the extreme. The fact remains the AOS shot each other in the cross fire, so they're good shots?
Tim Ashton said he would have shot another guy but his weapon exploded. His weapon malfunctioned because of his poor maintaince; or he got nervous and planted the barrell into the earth and so when he pulled the trigger the weapon blew up as the gases couldn't escape. Either way not good.
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Just thinking, what is your response to the closing quote?
And how do you know what caused Ashton's weapon to explode? All that article says is that it did.
As if the Greens weren't going in all the wrong direction either. Some of us are simply despairing.
Well, yes. I meant that more in an if-an-election-were-held-tomorrow sense than in an actually-representing-my-position sense.
Quite right, I don't know how his weapon exploded, but neither was it explained. Judging from the crassness of the comments in the article, ignoring the poor co-ordination which had one of their own in the line of fire. I'm taking an educated guess that he f&%ked up.
Labour & Phil Goff started the erosion of Rights and Nationals following suit.
I dispair at party politics and hope we can get a few good people in as independants or some assemblage of Social Justice (which the Greens seem to be leaving).
I want to get Samoa back on board as they were in 1964, and from their open the door to our sphere of influence in the Pacific.
(Craig, I don't care who was in charge when this one was drafted, National are the ones who love playing urgency and they're the ones in power now)
What part of "fuck 'em both" requires further explication? I don't really see the point of bitching about urgency when Labour introduces shit legislation, there's a change of Government and National advances it, and both shove it over the finish line and into the statute books.
Oh, there's a point in bitching about urgency alright - just not in this instance, I agree.
One element of the BORA issue is that the burden of the legislation will not fall equally on all citizens. It will not even fall equably, in the sense that those who most deserve the intervention will get it. All studies ever done in this country demonstrate the large (and growing) ethnic bias in the justice system, especially against Maori. Maori are more likely to get arrested (against pakeha involved in the same activities), more likely to be charged, more likely to get convicted and more likely to go to prison. Over two decades ago the Roper report begged for a change in policy approach to prevent the move to mass incarceration and the criminalisation of everything. That report was ignored and we now continue to reap the benefits. the question of 'where will it end' needs to be discussed, with urgency.
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I don't know how his weapon exploded, but neither was it explained. Judging from the crassness of the comments in the article, ignoring the poor co-ordination which had one of their own in the line of fire. I'm taking an educated guess that he f&%ked up.
Hah. I wouldn't call that guess educated.
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I wouldn't call that guess educated.
Steve, really? I thought it was a very educational guess. Oh, wait, you said educated not educational. My bad.
Holmes: … so you're no longer innocent until you're proven guilty.
Collins: It's fantastic, isn't it?
Thanks for the link Lyndon.
What a depressing state of affairs.
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Thanks for the link Lyndon.
What a depressing state of affairs.It's fantastic isn't it?
Fanatic, y'mean.
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They're as bad as each other. Holmes for perpetuating the nonsense that the police can just come and seize your stuff because they feel like it, and Collins for not stomping on that and crushing it dead.
Holmes' example of the guy on the Shore who's being hassled by the cops because his vehicles and appearance meet "the profile" would be able to stop a forfeiture hearing in its tracks by presenting a letter from the Lotteries Commission to confirm that he had, indeed, won a million dollars on such-and-such-a-date. Bang, case closed, and that's assuming the Police got more evidence than just that he looks sus and has expensive cars. Collins could've knocked that thread on the head in 30 seconds, but the woman is too stupid to even understand what the law says judging by her woeful performance in that interview.
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Holmes: … so you're no longer innocent until you're proven guilty.
Collins: It's fantastic, isn't it?Crimebusters UK is now awaiting your call. Dob in your parents now and win a cellphone.
Actually, I'd only really read that quote in the Q&A transcript, but the whole thing if full of Lose.
She says we take the DNA samples before arresting people because if we do the DNA test first there'll be fewer false arrests.
I wrote this for Werewolf V (out now!).
Libz not happy, though that in itself is not unusual.
Libz not happy, though that in itself is not unusual.
Indeed. Are they capable of any kind of restraint at all?
From the Libz' release:
"Judith Collins is a ruthless and dangerous sociopath who John Key should dismiss forthwith. If she has her way, no-one will be secure in their property and personal effects; and the police will be able to compel New Zealanders to speak - presumably using torture or blackmail."
And concluding:
"If the Police Minister persists in her attempts to crush the liberties we cherish, she will get more than she bargained for."
It would be amusing to compare this to the Libz' frothings on the terror raids. But I'm busy.
I don't agree with the Libz on many things, but Lindsay Perigo hit the nail on the head with a surprising daisy-cutter on the Roundtable:
I myself have poured scorn at every opportunity on the Treasury-ACT-Roundtable efficiency-obsession. My most tasteless, and therefore favourite, taunt is that, had these people been around at the time of the Nazis' gassing of Jews, their primary concern would have been the impact of the gas bill on the government's budget deficit, not the use to which the gas was put.
Bear in mind this is a man who advocates the forced sterilisation of DPB recipients.
seen the ad with the younguns out for a fun night time drive and having a laugh as you do, passing the breath test after being pulled over but then being asked to accompany the man down to the station for a blood test anyway on suspicion of drugs ???
FUCK THAT!!! and how easy is it gonna be for the po-po to abuse that and piss people off for no reason ???
and woe betides you if you got a jolly fat polynesian in the back chowing down on maccas!!!
i mean most of the people i know, (apart form my family:) ,who smoke weed, look fully pro and respectably middle aged. exactly the type of people rarely ever profiled but oh how the profile in this vile piece of shit campaign will be strictly adhered to and stick in the closed mind of the average dumbed down copper who believes the hype.
exactly the type of people rarely ever profiled but oh how the profile in this vile piece of shit campaign will be strictly adhered to and stick in the closed mind of the average dumbed down copper who believes the hype.
Seems the police believe whatever they like
I note a few people seem to think the DNA Bill wasn't reported. Well I can say I wrote stuff about it when it was proposed, when it passed its first reading, evidence given at select committee, and then it's passing through its second and third readings under urgency. I also referred to it in several crosses as it progressed through Parliament.
I know my colleagues in the gallery gave the legislation similar attention.
In my case I can understand why you might have missed it. At the risk of making a sweeping generalisation I suspect not many who post here are ZB listeners.
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butterfrog, on 13 May 2012 - 11:01 PM, said:
I got an email from netphoria to preorder from them, but I already ordered through amazon.com. Why hasn't the site put up a preorder yet? if this is supposed to be the official site how in the hell does netphoria and amazon have a preorder up before this place? :scatch:/>
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I mean if we put the whole "reissue-mess up" then "flexi-disc-success" apart, there are still some aspects that make me hesitate.
The biggest one being the shipping cost.
I mean I'd rather buy directly to the band, but what if the shipping fare is the price of an extra CD/vinyl? :scatch:/> Tough question.
Posted 14 May 2012 - 07:02 AM
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dreamover, on 14 May 2012 - 04:22 AM, said:
I agree. Just got my preorder for the new mewithoutyou cd in the mail today. It was a day early and they used 11spot.
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reinsdorfsucks, on 15 May 2012 - 07:08 AM, said:
Listen to it in an isolated area during a sunset. At least, that's what I always do.
Posted 15 May 2012 - 12:09 PM
And I think it's been expressed that Topspin will NOT be involved in the future distibutions.
And every press release has EXPLICITLY said that Oceania is a part of Teargarden. I don't know why this is even being argued. Billy will do whatever he wants at the end of the day, thank God.
Posted 15 May 2012 - 02:13 PM
Lunatic, on 15 May 2012 - 01:47 PM, said:
nah, dude.
from an email update from sp.com
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reinsdorfsucks, on 15 May 2012 - 07:08 AM, said:
I know what you mean. In all actuality, I sat on a computer and listened to Zeitgeist & TbK for the first time. However, those records never gave me any reason to ever want to 'set the setting & sink in', so to speak. I heard 5 of the 6 revealed Oceania songs live, and was blown away. Everything surrounding this record seems just...right for once. I hope I'm not wrong. Either way, I'll be playing this one on the stereo, rather than on shit laptop speakers. Maybe on a vinyl player, seeing as I just found my mother's practically unused one in my storage. :D/>
Posted 16 May 2012 - 03:45 AM
reinsdorfsucks, on 15 May 2012 - 07:08 AM, said:
Great point. First time I listened to 'Freak' I was on holidays lying on a beach in Spain and even though I don't think its a great song it will always bring back a nice memory to me. I have resisted listening to any of the Oceania live material so I don't know what to expect just cant wait to hear the finished product.
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simontreal, on 16 May 2012 - 05:24 PM, said:
I hope not. I don't want to tempted by those crappy, 30 seconds, low quality taints. But Amazon almost always has samples for major releases prior to their actual release so I wouldn't be surprised if they show up soon.
As far as the whole new way to consume an album thing, it was pretty much overblown at the time and wasn't exactly the big deal we made it out to be. The current "speculation" is that it's going to be in the form of an audio/visual component, possibly an album long music video type experience to watch via stream prior to the actual release to ensure people listen to Oceania from beginning to end, at least on the first go round. But again that is just speculation based on a few off the cuff comments and some now removed tweets from some people involved in some type of SP video/film.
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Lunatic, on 15 May 2012 - 01:47 PM, said:
That makes sense, but couldn't it have just as easily been an apology to the fans? I believe I heard somewhere on the board (via Simon maybe?) that Topspin was not the distributor for the next release. Of course, if it is after all, I'm still not that bent out of shape.
Never mind, just saw gyang's post. Cool
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@20th anniversary of The Smashing Pumpkins' first album:
"It certainly feels like more than 10,- the 45-year-old singer says, "but it doesn't feel like 20. It certainly seems to have gone by faster than I would have guessed.
"You know, I've got a drummer in my band now who's 21 years old, "Corgan adds, referring to Mike Byrne, "and we were sitting in the studio the other day, listening to something, and I said, 'That was done 22 years ago.' And he looked at me and I realised, '(Heck), that's older than you'.
@Oceania and the reissue program
"Before I started this process, I would've thought, 'Yeah, this is going to be a little uncomfortable, because I'm trying to make this new point at the same time that I'm trying to make an old point',- Corgan admits, speaking by telephone from his home in Chicago. "But it's actually been the opposite experience. I've found that it's brought a sort of peace to me, because it reminds me of my journey.
"It's like I look at an old photo and I don't go 'Ugh',- he explains. "I look at the old photo and go, 'That's good I did that. That's good I went there. That's good I took those chances, and I can feel compassion for when I did something stupid or said something stupid because I believed in something.-
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"It's a very shockingly mature and kind group of people,- the singer says. "Everyone's very respectful of each other. It's the only band I've ever been in where there's no backbiting, where there's no talking (garbage) when the other person's out of the room or where this person doesn't like that person. It's the first time I've ever been in a band where there's equal respect. I've never experienced that.-
"I would say that we're probably more of a studio band now than a rehearsal band,- Corgan says. "The old band was more rehearse, rehearse, rehearse, and you'd hammer out a vision and then go into the studio. I think this band benefits a little more from the intellectual process of making a record. Now it's like, 'OK, we've got these songs,' and we go in and start throwing stuff at the wall in the studio and everybody sorof puts their two cents into where it's going, and I think that's successful.
"I think on Oceania people will hear the contribution of this band and why I've stuck with this band.-"
Posted 17 May 2012 - 11:34 AM
If anyone is actually getting paid as an SP web admin, they honestly need to be massacred.
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If anyone is actually getting paid as an SP web admin, they honestly need to be massacred.
it's frustrating.
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"It seemed like every time we got close there, we turned the ball over or they would hit a shot," said Middlesboro coach Elgie Green. "That was a tough stretch for us."
Despite scoring just one point, Harlan maintained the lead in the fourth quarter. The Lady Dragons forced Middlesboro into nine turnovers and grabbed five offensive rebounds in the final period to hold off the Lady Jackets.
"Rebounding was a point of emphasis for us down the stretch. I felt like we gave up too many offensive rebounds in the first half," Akal said. "I thought we did a better job of limiting them to one shot and turning them over in the fourth quarter."
Middlesboro (0-8 overall, 0-2 district) will host Corbin on Tuesday, while Harlan (3-3 overall, 1-1 district) returns to action Dec. 21 in the Muhlenberg County Christmas Tournament.
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00We went to war over a liemike1987the past administration put political pressure to mold their vision of an enemy who, though bad, did not attack the U.S. Now, successive administrations will be free to fire defense and intelligence personnel over not supporting an ideological belief. This will not bode well for careerists. Political appointees will now exert full control over facts and bend them (or ignore) to their master's will. Though I support the President, he did not do this country well by supporting this policy. The long term detriment to this nation will be felt. Facts will be changed to support a desired outcome and those who do not bend, will be fired. Government is not business. AT&T cannot declare war. What government can do has a profound impact and we are marching down the wrong road in politicizing national security even more than we already do. Everything is now politics. Nothing, not even the justice system is about "the people". It's now about ideology.32753{ "Agree":"1","Funny":"1","Insightful":"1","Disagree":"-1","Offensive":"-1","Troll":"-1" }0
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