Ask HN: Why would Human Interest (YC SC15) make such arrogant statement? - <AUTHOR> They posted at HN a public rejection to people with certain personality traits (genuine tech geniuses with almost asperger syndrome) as if they were trying to score something, why didn't they publish that on their private twitter? What do they earn from that? Does someone understand this marketing move? Aren't they in fact publicly dismissing diversity?
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https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=20590019 <comment><USER2> Hi nudpiedo,

This is Paul from Human Interest. I'm a co-founder of the company and wrote the job post in question.

That job post was intended purely as a statement of our work culture. Our only goal in posting it was to attract the sort of folks who might enjoy working within that culture.

It's worth noting that there's a lot of cultural diversity _between_ companies in the tech industry these days, and there are some in which "10x engineers" might thrive. And that's okay! We just wanted to find a way to catch the attention of people who might be a good fit for us.

I think a big part of building a company is deciding what you do (and don't) stand for. For example, Gusto, a company that we greatly admire, did so by saying that they were "not hiring hackers" ([https://gusto.com/company- news/gusto-is-not-hiring-hackers](https://gusto.com/company-news/gusto-is-not- hiring-hackers)). Again, there are plenty of companies that are.

YC kindly provides us the platform to advertise job postings on Hacker News, and doesn't allow direct comments on those job posts. I'm glad you posted this here on HN, because it gave me an opportunity to better explain where we're coming from.

Does that make sense? Let me know what you think -- I'm happy to chat more about this here or directly by email (email@example.com).

<comment><AUTHOR> Hi psawaya,

thanks for explaining yourself. I found your post, shocking to say the least, not because the dismiss against 10x productive introvert specialists does exist, but because your are posting that on the hacker news which is a forum born precisely in an environment of hacker culture and high tech cult which values and pursues the technical competitive advantages since its foundation (read Paul Graham's post as witness of how was it).

Such introverts are treasured in many companies, at IBM they used to call them "wild ducks" and managers were extra flexible with them, and the difficulties they face, especially since they could easily beat the averages, see things from perspectives ordinary people don't and easily outperform teams of well rounded bureaucrats for several reasons (even if it just for breaking protocols). And these people were the foundation of many large IT adventures, which ended up overcoming their communication issues after longer life experience than average people.

I hope it is not necessary to say that a "wild duck" only company would probably also be flawed, but banning people based on a stereotype was a bit too much, don't you think? Now you seem to have changed your mind... in any case if there was a judging because of a stereotype that will take longer to be corrected.

Good luck with your startup.

</comment></comment><comment><USER3> I don't see anything wrong with it. Honestly it is your post that sounds off to me. You're implying that somehow Human Interest is discriminating against people with Asperger's but there's nothing in their post that says that.

<comment><AUTHOR> Well they are excluding a group of people based on some vague statements and stereotypes as if there was some evidence of I am not sure what exactly. Might not be asperguer but he personality described by the 10x engineer thread was the le of a compromised person.

</comment></comment><comment><USER4> Just had a look and came to the same conclusion as the OP, but I found these statements very odd from their page.

> ...And we come from diverse backgrounds.

Just not the "10x" types. So much for "diversity" and "inclusion".

> ...We're professionals who keep normal work hours, and are eager to mentor > and be mentored.

Can't they hire these "10x engineers" and mentor/coach them to have empathy?

I've seen some companies have and invest in diversity training, surely this can also be the case, I would argue it could make these engineers better engineers.

Not hiring these types promotes exclusion.

</comment><comment><USER5> Ok, we've changed the title of that post from "Human Interest (YC S15) is not hiring 10x engineers" to "Human Interest (YC S15) is hiring non-10x engineers", which is surely more accurate anyhow.

</comment><comment><USER6> I think it needs to be taken in the context of the twitter backlash against the 10x engineer tweet. The tweet was largely interpreted as "10x engineers are brilliant jerks". People have been writing about toxic environments created by brilliant jerks for years and I think Human Interest is just trying to avoid creating an environment like that.

If that's not how you want to work, that's alright, but casting is as discrimination feels like a stretch.

<comment><AUTHOR> The context you mention promotes excluding a group of people based on some vague statements and stereotypes with no evidence, now a group of people will be judged for actions they did not commit and passionate compromised people with certain personality will be attributed some features they might not have. For me that's same as judging blonde people or Irish or something in the lines.

Probably they just don't deserve 10x engineers if they don't know how to deal with actual diversity anyway.

</comment></comment><comment><USER7> I found it a bit odd as well. Maybe it was an odd/rude way of saying, "we accept all engineers...not just the 10x engineers"</comment>


Mac OS X Leopard and Xcode on iPad Pro - <AUTHOR> https://twitter.com/jankais3r/status/1274043856821145602 <comment><USER2> trying to build ios apps via emulator on ipad looks more like an exercise in masochism or a cool trick than something "usable"

<comment><USER3> It would kinda make sense if the thing was cheap. But it's not so essentially you are paying a premium to have a shitty experience.

Doing hacky things on Apple products seems pointless in my opinion, because people paid their way into a walled garden that are now trying to escape?

<comment><USER4> Ish. It's like you're staying at this wonderful hotel that is very expensive and you absolutely love, but they refuse to allow wifi in the rooms. So you rig up your own hacky solution to get wifi anyway, hoping they won't discover it and throw you out.

<comment><USER5> Feels like prisoners scratching on their walls. They won't get to keep what they make.

Free your talent and creativity by putting your effort into open platforms.

</comment></comment></comment></comment><comment><USER6> It's a cool trick, but far from what I need.

I'd like to see Xcode —in full, and up to date— running on an iPad.

At that point, iPad will suddenly become a viable development platform, and one I would definitely consider using as a traveling system.

<comment><USER7> If you don't require Xcode UTM's Linux VMs will probably work for you as a development platform.

<comment><USER8> If you're going down that route, a VPS is an alternative (albeit more expensive) option. Blink shell is a great ssh/mosh client, and code-server makes for a great IDE.

Blink shell: [https://blink.sh/](https://blink.sh/)

code-server: [https://github.com/cdr/code-server](https://github.com/cdr/code- server)

<comment><USER9> +1 for Blink and a good VPS.

For testing big builds or anything you want some power for, a good way to go when you need portability.

</comment></comment></comment></comment><comment><USER10> What's happening here? Did the guy manage to install OS X on an iPad? Is this a supported feature or a hack?

<comment><USER11> It's running via [https://github.com/utmapp/UTM](https://github.com/utmapp/UTM), a qemu-based VM manager for iOS.

</comment></comment><comment><USER12> This is likely a PPC build of Mac OS X, running on the iPad through QEMU.

<comment><USER13> Is there any particular reason it has to be PPC? Does QEMU emulate PPC more effectively than x86?

<comment><USER14> Probably because nobody has gotten OS X running on that version of QEMU.

</comment></comment></comment><comment><USER15> I'm curious if there's an iPad old enough to be supported by Xcode while also new enough to run UTM so you can actually use Xcode to build an app that could theoretically run directly on the device.

<comment><USER13> He appears to be using PPC Leopard. The iOS 2.2.1 SDK is the latest that can be made to work on that. [https://macintoshgarden.org/apps/iphone-os-221-sdk- ppc](https://macintoshgarden.org/apps/iphone-os-221-sdk-ppc)

So, I'm going to go ahead and say it's impossible.

<comment><USER16> Wow I never knew the iOS build chain ever worked on PPC!

<comment><USER13> Well, it never _officially_ did. From the Macintosh Garden page I linked:

> Despite Apple's claim that the SDK was available for Intel Macs only, some > clever developers soon realized that all the frameworks and programs the SDK > delivered were compiled as Universal (PPC/Intel) code while the compiler > configuration files were ARM/Intel only. Moreover the installer checked for > Intel architecture and denied installation on PPC Macs. Installing the .pkg > archives manually and repairing the compiler configurations made the iPhone > SDK run completely on PPC Macs.

</comment></comment></comment></comment><comment><USER17> Now it's a computer.

<comment><USER18> So because it runs Xcode in an emulator it's a computer?

<comment><USER19> If we can get to the point of EMULATING a whole-@$$ computer on the device, maybe, just maybe, that device was slightly capable of running a compiler a looooooooooooooooong time ago.

<comment><USER20> But to run a compiler you'd have to be able to see _files_ , and as we all know, Apple-customers find things like that very, very scary.

Edit: I'm sarcastically referring to Apple's original justification for not making files a concept on iOS, and thus I'm mocking Apple's condescending judgement of its own users, not the actual users themselves. I thought that much would be obvious.

<comment><USER21> [https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Files_(Apple)](https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Files_\(Apple\))

</comment></comment></comment></comment></comment><comment><USER22> Would loooooove to have an iPad Pro em for most of my stuff and have the ability to use a fast VM for development or other things that require me to have more control and finegrained window management

</comment><comment><USER23> There needs to a shift in the way Xcode deploys apps or iOS accepts over WiFi app installs, only then can Xcode as an App rather than a VM help with development on the device you are actually using even if it cannibalises Mac sales.

<comment><USER24> iOS does accept Xcode builds over Wi-Fi, in case you weren't already aware. I think that's how most people work now, when they run the project in Xcode, it just launches on the iOS device wirelessly.

<comment><USER23> I know, but if Xcode runs on the same device they'd have to make some changes to target itself obviously though

</comment></comment></comment><comment><USER25> I'm sooo ready to work on my web apps on my iPad Pro with the magic keyboard. It really feels like it could be an great developer experience if we could just run/build Node apps.

</comment><comment><USER26> At this point, it would be straightforward for Apple to release a limited version of Xcode for iOS, and I expect them to do so, maybe even this year.

It would only use Swift and SwiftUI, and only target iOS.

</comment><comment><USER27> Can we have a native ARM MacOS for iPad now, please?

</comment><comment><USER28> Anyone here coding on their iPad? What tools are you using?

</comment><comment><USER29> Why?

</comment><comment><USER30> I'm not sure we'll ever see a full xcode release for iPad unless something drastic happens with the way mobile operating systems work. On your desktop you are king, you have the freedom to delete most every file or install any utility to any directory. Apple does not want you to have that autonomy on your devices and made sure from the start that you are unable to do anything unless they approve. I just don't see a marriage between these two worlds anytime soon.

<comment><USER26> For a _full_ release you are probably right, but a release that can only build iOS apps with swift and swiftui would be quite easy for them at this point.

<comment><USER31> It would be ironic if they will ship macOS Simulator for iOS.</comment></comment></comment>


Most Americans think too many people are easily offended - <AUTHOR> http://www.pewresearch.org/fact-tank/2016/07/20/in-political-correctness-debate-most-americans-think-too-many-people-are-easily-offended/?utm_content=buffere6ea5&utm_medium=social&utm_source=twitter.com&utm_campaign=buffer <comment><USER2> Most British people likely believe this as well. There's a reason 'political correctness gone mad' is basically a meme over here.

As far as the study goes... interesting that more republicans and independents seem to think this is an issue than democrats. Guess the left's obsession with identity politics may factor into that one.</comment>


Show HN: Track New Twitter Follows by Tech CEOs, Founders, VCs and Executives - <AUTHOR> https://datakit.app/X-BAgbbyFsik <comment><AUTHOR> Currently tracking ~50 people. Let me know who else should be on the list!</comment>


Mozilla Bug 77790: Style the scrollbar - <AUTHOR> https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/show_bug.cgi?id=77790 <comment><USER2> No, you shouldn't style your scrollbars when they are part of the browser chrome and simply scroll a page. Yes, you should be able to style your scrollbars when they're part of your website/application.

Those JS solutions out there are quite sucky. Oh, hey, sorry, we just broke scrolling down using your spacebar.

</comment><comment><USER3> Stylable scroll bars are definitely a slippery slope. Once you allow it, you are possibly opening the gate for really bad scroll bars that pervert an essential ui of browsers. On the other hand, lots of people demand custom scroll bars, which leads to shitty scroll experiences because every js implementation is bound to perform badly in one scenario ot another.

<comment><USER4> So, it sounds like just a bad idea. I don't understand -- why do people think it's a good idea for web pages to style my scrollbar?

I wonder if there's something of an age/cultural separation at play here. Back in the 90s when desktop environments were a point of wide discussion and interest, there was a piece of "common knowledge" that it's important for all the user's applications to have a consistent look+feel. Furthermore, that look+feel was in their control via desktop manager settings: so you could choose large font-sizes, high-contrast window borders and cursors, scrollbar widths, stuff like that.

The web used to follow that same themeing, or at least tried to; hence specific UI controls were part of HTML, and the browser could defer to the platform toolkit to render them. That mechanism has been abandoned by the Web as it has moved towards a full application-platform, where every webpage re- implements its own toolkit and decides how things should look+feel. Which is directly the opposite of the "consistent-look desktop" philosophy.

There are some good reasons why that happened, but I think a whole lot of bad ones too. Taking the user's scrollbar out of their control, into the webpage designer's, is just another UI control ripe for abuse.

I guess the only question is that, since webpages render their own controls for everything else, shouldn't they be able to make the Firefox scrollbar consistent with the rest of it? But then, why is the Firefox scrollbar coming into play at all, when they could already just implement their own as a Javascript control?

<comment><USER5> The user should never be given control. Users are terrible at determining their own experience. A good designer knows what the user wants better than the user.

Of course, there are bad designers, but they get filtered out by users not going back to their site.

In the end, the designer should have control over every pixel on his product. Any OS branding should disappear from view, because the web advances faster than OS UI design.

Also, this problem was the same back in the 90's. There was the default terrible OS user interface, and some apps decided to make their own much nicer interface.

Kai Power Tools immediately comes to mind, as well as any game with their own UI.

<comment><USER4> > The user should never be given control.

> the designer should have control over every pixel on his product.

That's why I can't increase the font sizes or zoom in on mobile browsing, to aid my poor eyesight. Sigh. Why should USERS never have control, but you give bad designers a free pass? That's an awfully totalitarian view of computing, and leads to many unbearable situations.

> Of course, there are bad designers, but they get filtered out by users not > going back to their site.

No. As I mentioned in another comment, you can't just pick-and-choose websites like equivalent oranges. Each website is different, and while occasionally you can choose which blog you read, you can't so easily select which government agency you need to engage with. We all have to deal with the designer's choices, good or bad.

A tangent, but back to this:

> the designer should have control over every pixel on his product.

How is it appropriate to discuss the web in this manner? The web is a communication mechanism, and it was intended to be easy for people -- end users, real people -- to make their own webpages. Now it's just for "products" created by professional designers? We have given up so much.

<comment><USER5> > We all have to deal with the designer's choices, good or bad.

You'll have to deal with them anyways. Every government site is pretty much horrible - they don't even need any advanced UI capabilities to make them unusable.

This discussion is about enabling advanced UI capabilities for top designers.

> How is it appropriate to discuss the web in this manner? The web is a > communication mechanism, and it was intended to be easy for people -- end > users, real people -- to make their own webpages.

The web is a one-way communications medium. It's not a two-way medium. You'll need to go to phone/chat/email for that.

And, with a one-way medium, the message should be decided by the sender, not the receiver.

</comment></comment></comment></comment></comment><comment><USER6> Funny to see how the original bug reporter (Skewer) hung around for about 18 months before other people continued the discussion for the past 13 years. I wonder where Skewer is today and what he thinks about the feature.

</comment><comment><USER7> personally i would rather they made the scroll bar like in IE, Where it doesn't push content, but it is on top of it so whole page doesn't get pushed slightly if it appear dynamically.

<comment><USER8> There is a number of user styles (installable with Stylish [1]) that replace default scroll bars with floating ones. I find this [2] particularly nice.

[1] [https://addons.mozilla.org/en- us/firefox/addon/stylish/](https://addons.mozilla.org/en- us/firefox/addon/stylish/) [2] [https://userstyles.org/styles/83431/minimal- floating-scrollb...](https://userstyles.org/styles/83431/minimal-floating- scrollbars-for-firefox-windows)

<comment><USER9> I've been using this for a while in Firefox.

These kinds of floating scroll bars really should be the default for all OSes. Presence of scroll bars changing the width of the window contents and causing repaints/reflows is really poor UX in my humble opinion.

</comment></comment></comment><comment><USER10> A pre-9/11 ticket.

<comment><USER11> Ah yes, 'twas a simpler time.</comment></comment>


Win32/CompromisedCert - <AUTHOR> http://www.microsoft.com/security/portal/threat/encyclopedia/entry.aspx?Name=Program%3aWin32%2fCompromisedCert#tab=1

<comment><AUTHOR> Microsoft's AV products now detect and remove Superfish: [https://twitter.com/marcwrogers/status/568804376577339392](https://twitter.com/marcwrogers/status/568804376577339392)

<comment><USER2> Thanks for the clarification. I was wondering if antivirus vendors would be removing superfish. I'm also curious what the process would be for revoking the root CA centrally. Is that something only the superfish vendor could do? Would anyone knowledgeable about this care to enlighten me?

<comment><USER3> Revoking a certificate requires it to have been created with a functional CRL / OCSP configuration. This isn't the case here; there's no way to revoke the CA short of uninstalling it from every machine it's present on.

</comment></comment></comment><comment><USER4> Does Microsoft also remove the Firefox and Chrome certificates?</comment>


Show HN: Steady – Shoot Cinematic Videos - <AUTHOR> http://steady.stupeflix.com/

<comment><USER2> This is a most brilliant landing page - flashy, but in a way that directly demonstrates what the product does, and the text is readable even against the white waves. Each of the sequences look beautiful and seem like if I just had this app, I would be able to make my videos just as beautiful. Congrats.

I'm not sure, but I believe the beauty lies in the fact that each of these scenes is something I can see myself trying to capture: the beach, a forest, etc.

<comment><USER3> I have some trouble with fonts on Elementary [http://i.imgur.com/dYHPbvP.png](http://i.imgur.com/dYHPbvP.png)

<comment><USER4> Looks the same on Ubuntu.

<comment><USER5> Looks fine here in Firefox 29/Ubuntu 12.04.

</comment></comment></comment></comment><comment><USER6> Videos used as the backdrop:

[http://d3eterog612le0.cloudfront.net/steady/videos/homepage/...](http://d3eterog612le0.cloudfront.net/steady/videos/homepage/1.mp4)

[http://d3eterog612le0.cloudfront.net/steady/videos/homepage/...](http://d3eterog612le0.cloudfront.net/steady/videos/homepage/2.mp4)

[http://d3eterog612le0.cloudfront.net/steady/videos/homepage/...](http://d3eterog612le0.cloudfront.net/steady/videos/homepage/3.mp4)

[http://d3eterog612le0.cloudfront.net/steady/videos/homepage/...](http://d3eterog612le0.cloudfront.net/steady/videos/homepage/4.mp4)

[http://d3eterog612le0.cloudfront.net/steady/videos/homepage/...](http://d3eterog612le0.cloudfront.net/steady/videos/homepage/5.mp4)

[http://d3eterog612le0.cloudfront.net/steady/videos/homepage/...](http://d3eterog612le0.cloudfront.net/steady/videos/homepage/6.mp4)

[http://d3eterog612le0.cloudfront.net/steady/videos/homepage/...](http://d3eterog612le0.cloudfront.net/steady/videos/homepage/7.mp4)

<comment> o0-0o These seem jittery on a MBPr with 16GB of RAM. What gives?

<comment><USER7> I'm noticing the slightest stutters with 32gb, quad core i7 and a gtx 780 on chrome. I'm assuming it's a connection thing.

Same when I watched the video links directly.

Downloaded the tree one (which is where I noticed it) and played it with VLC twenty times or so on loop; didn't pick up any stuttering then. Must be something with chrome or my network (for me)

</comment></comment></comment><comment><USER8> Just installed it. Seems to work pretty well. This would be useful to real estate agents for doing smooth apartment walk-through videos for listings-- might want to try advertising specifically for that use case.

<comment><USER9> Stupeflix (the company behind Steady) actually has a tool designed specifically for Real Estate agents : [http://studio.stupeflix.com/en/realestate/](http://studio.stupeflix.com/en/realestate/)

</comment></comment><comment><USER10> I remember seeing this during the 'tape to car wheel' test. That was impressive.

What, if any, details can you reveal about the implementation? How is the tracking/smoothing different than other SOTA approaches?

How tightly coupled are you to the Apple environment? Is an Android port plausible?

<comment><USER6> I think that was a different app: [http://www.horizon.camera](http://www.horizon.camera)

[http://blog.evilwindowdog.com/post/88969373226/extreme- car-e...](http://blog.evilwindowdog.com/post/88969373226/extreme-car- experiment-horizon)

</comment></comment><comment><USER9> Thanks everyone for the input. Quick answer to most common questions :

* The video you can see on the landing page (steady.stupeflix.com) were all taken w/ Steady. Try using it outside on a sunny day for best results !

* Steady is not yet compatible with iOS8. Working on it ;)Same for iPad and iTouch.

* We use gyroscope informations to know the attitude of the iPhone while you shoot a video, and uses this information to correct the video.

* The app is not available yet on Android. We're pretty much tied to the iPhone right now, as the algorithm relies on a given gyro / camera pair to work.

If you like the app, a kind review on the App Store would be appreciated ! Thanks for taking the time to try it

From

Trueduke, Olotiar, Madlag, thomas 759 and Kaahne at Stupeflix

</comment><comment><USER11> Or you just use a chicken [http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UytSNlHw8J8#t=132](http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UytSNlHw8J8#t=132)

<comment><AUTHOR> Actually the app codename was "Chicken" :)

</comment></comment><comment><USER12> I tried it on a bike and then edited the video with replay. I was really impressed with the result [https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4ynVeMFAQM8](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4ynVeMFAQM8)

<comment><USER13> What is impressive about that movie ? To me it's quite the opposite.. it's not impressive at all (too dark, bad fps) and when I watch it there is something in it that causes head aches. It's very hard to watch.

<comment><USER12> I am biking with one hand and filming with the other. The image doesn't shake, try do film walking or biking and you'll see

<comment><USER14> I think he's trying to say that it's hard to tell because of the effects and filters added to the video distract from the example of stabilized video. The additional edits are unappealing to some so it's hard to get a feel for how the footage looks.

</comment></comment></comment></comment><comment><USER15> Does anyone know if there's a similar video capture app for Android devices?

</comment><comment><USER16> Just spins the loading animation without showing any video in the camera screen. Wondering if there is any server work and it might be under heavy load due to HN and whatnot. Edit: iPhone 5s. Edit2: its working now!

<comment><USER9> The app does not require any type of connectivity. Try killing it and relaunching.

</comment></comment><comment><USER17> Are there any recommended Android versions of these apps?

<comment><USER18> Seems like google auto stabilized my video. They probably did it on the server side though.

<comment><USER19> Yes, Google has had some pretty good video stabilization on Youtube for 2 years now. I wish it happened in the camera app, though, especially since I once posted some _private_ videos on Youtube, and Google deleted them anyway because there was some music in the background. It even said some company made a claim against them (even though they were _private_ ).

So yeah, Google's shitty copyright takedown system makes me not want to put my videos on Google's servers ever again, and I'd prefer them on my phone.

<comment><USER20> "It even said some company made a claim against them (even though they were private)."

The claim system is automatic based on Shazam-style audio "fingerprints"; companies basically pre-complain about any uploads that match audio sources they supply to Google that the claim copyright on.

On one hand, I can sort of understand Google's position with this proactive system because the alternative would mean they have to manually deal with probably hundreds of thousands, if not millions of copyright claims.

On the other hand, it is horribly broken in a lot of ways. In addition to not caring if your video is private, there are basically two classes of people (the ones with lots of subscribers who generate a lot of adwords hits for Google and everyone else), with the former class having a much easier time of disputing bad claims. Also I've run into situations where music that was creative commons licensed was flagged with attempts to unflag it automatically denied (with no legal basis to do so) and most amusingly(?) of all, Google offers a bunch of public domain recordings they suggest you use for your videos, but using them is almost guaranteed to generate a copyright claim from some third party that you then have to manually dispute.

I basically stopped using YouTube for videos because there seems to be like a 80% chance anything you upload will be auto-copyright-flagged, even if there is no recognizable music in it and it isn't worth the hassle to deal with the system.

</comment></comment></comment></comment><comment><USER21> Looking at the landing page on my iPhone and all I see is a bit of copy and a still image of a forest. Based on the comments in this thread the app seems worth downloading but not so much based just on the landing page. Are other people seeing video on the landing page when viewing on the iPhone?

<comment><USER9> Sorry about that. The static image turns into a video on desktop, but there's no way to play a video that is not full screen on Mobile Safari.

We'll probably update the landing page soon. In the meantime, visit the landing page on your desktop, or see [https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5mt286dTNFg](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5mt286dTNFg)

</comment></comment><comment><USER22> I downloaded it and gave it a quick try. Walking around the office at a somewhat fast pace yielded some blur on each step. I slowed down a bit and results were better. We have a lot of windows so there was a lot of light/dark issues which is more the iPhones limitations than the app.

Stability was pretty cool though not convinced it would work well on a bike. If you have some untouched videos you captured from the app itself without any post production editing, that would be cool to see. If you said the videos on your website background were all taken with the app I'd be more impressed.

<comment><AUTHOR> Yes they are legit :) The originals are only longer... Those in the forest were shot (with an iPhone 5) on a bike, and you can "feel" the footsteps for those on the beach :) (it was last month in the South-West of France...)

</comment></comment><comment><USER23> With apps like these (horizon etc) - if they are any good won't Apple simply build it into their default camera app sooner rather than later? I'm curious, what's the product or business plan here?

</comment><comment><USER24> I often shoot little snippets (cheeky bit of stock footage for behind credits etc) and usually have to use stabilization in post to make it usable

$1.99? The mere possibility of it working at a later date is worth more than $1.99. I'll give it a test run later on for sure but you guys should re- evaluate that price, if it works well you've way under-priced yourselves

</comment><comment><USER25> Downloaded, looks good. Though it crashes when trying to do slowmo on my iPhone 5, 16GB AT&T. Also when you view "My Steady Videos" the Navigation bar buttons feel reversed, "Back" buttons are usually on the left in iOS, in that case the three dots should be on the right. Keep up the good work, hope it's successful.

<comment><AUTHOR> Oh sorry for the crash, I assume you sent a crash report. Will investigate... And thanks for the UI feedback! :)

<comment><AUTHOR> (if you are using iOS 8, we are currently working on supporting it)

<comment><USER25> Indeed I submitted a crash report, Yeah sorry I forgot I was on my dev phone, it is iOS 8 and I can't expect it to work. ;-)

</comment></comment></comment></comment><comment><USER26> I just bought it and it does not work on iPhone 4. I did not read the description before buying, my bad.

Unfortunately the app does not appear on [https://reportaproblem.apple.com/](https://reportaproblem.apple.com/).

[Edit] The app finally showed up on the "Report a problem" page

</comment><comment><USER27> The one thing that would be great to see is a comparison of video shot with the app and the same video shot without the app.

<comment><USER28> There is a good comparison video here -> [https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5mt286dTNFg](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5mt286dTNFg)

<comment><USER29> The stabilized video looks fuzzier. There's a definite lack of crispness that the unsteady video has.

<comment><USER9> Quick aside to tell that this comparison video was generated a long time ago, when stabilized video were saved at a lower resolution. Since then, we've increased the output resolution and fixed some color correction issues.

<comment><USER29> That'll explain it! Thanks.

</comment></comment></comment></comment></comment><comment><USER30> Does this, by any chance, use the 3D deforming based stabilization demonstrated here [1]. That was already an impressive demo when it came out.

[1] [http://web.cecs.pdx.edu/~fliu/project/3dstab.htm](http://web.cecs.pdx.edu/~fliu/project/3dstab.htm)

<comment><USER9> Yes and no. Going through the paper real quick, we use similar technique, but do not analyze the video to reconstruct the movement of the camera, which allows us to speed up the algorithm significantly.

</comment></comment><comment><USER31> Hey, great job here! Two questions:

1) Is it at all feasible to do the stabilisation on the fly so that the screen shows already-stabilised video (if not then why)?

2) Do you envisage building an API so that a third-party app can use your technology?

<comment><USER9> Hey Ivanlubenko,

On the fly stabilization is not really an option, as smoothing is done by averaging movement from the past and future, up to 5s on both sides.

The API thing might be a good idea, shoot an email at firstname.lastname@example.com!

</comment></comment><comment><USER32> Looks pretty cool from the example videos. Is an Android port planned in the future?

<comment><USER33> Where are you seeing example videos?

</comment></comment><comment><USER34> Downloaded, and like it so far (although I did also experience the crash while trying to record slow motion), but am I correct in thinking it only allows you to record square videos?

<comment><USER9> Hey, You can actually record landscape videos by turning your iPhone (make sure that rotation is enabled though).

</comment></comment><comment><USER35> Are there any plans to add this kind of tech to cameras? I know they already use optical image stabilization but wonder if the benefit would be additive.

</comment><comment><USER36> How does this compare to Luma? I've been using that app for a few years now and it has been great, though it doesn't work well in low light.

<comment><USER9> As one of the developer of this app, I'm obviously biased, but we think that we achieve even better results than Luma.

Low light is always an issue (due to intrinsic limitations of the stabilization method), but we added slo-motion and support for the iPhone 5s and iOS7.

<comment><USER37> Luma was acquired, so it's no longer being developed.

<comment><USER38> There is another similar app, DollyCam: [https://itunes.apple.com/us/app/dollycam/id449577531](https://itunes.apple.com/us/app/dollycam/id449577531)

Has been available for quite a while, and works on iPhone 4.

</comment></comment></comment></comment><comment><USER39> It was kind of odd watching the lens flare dart around the screen while the sun was stationary. I guess that proves the video is legit :-).

<comment><USER40> Nice see!

The video are legit :-) The best thing to prove it is to try the app (it works better outside) and I'm pretty sure you'll be amazed.

</comment></comment><comment><USER41> Downloaded and playing with it, seems to work fairly well. However, I can't seem to figure out how to get the app to work in 16:9 mode.

<comment><USER42> Turn your iPhone to landscape position ;) (and make sure you are not locking the rotation in control center)

<comment><USER41> Ah, I see. Very nifty!

</comment></comment></comment><comment><USER43> Nice landing page. The use of videos here is really apt and powerful.

Unlike the Paypal homepage, which makes me feel unsecure..

</comment><comment><USER44> I use "Luma", free. But I think they were acquired by Instagram and shut down.

How does Steady compare to Luma?

</comment><comment><USER45> Wow fantastic app! I've missed this kind of video processing ever since Luma was acquired by Instagram and shut down.

</comment><comment><USER46> Maybe add iPod Touch to the not supported list in the app description. Although I know there aren't many of us!

<comment><USER9> Oups! We'll do that. There is a good chance that iTouch will be supported in the next update.

<comment><USER47> I'd like that. The iPod Touch makes for a nice video camera.

</comment></comment></comment><comment><USER48> "and you get award-winning documentary shots right from your phone"

Please tone down the hyperbole.

</comment><comment><USER49> App is buyable from iPad and checked as compatible with it, however your description paragraph says otherwise.

<comment><USER9> We can't really exclude iPad from buying the app using only App Store approved methods. We try our hardest to warn users in the description.

</comment></comment><comment><USER50> You should get together with the people who made horizon and merge the two ideas into a feature.

</comment><comment><USER51> I just bought it and tried it out. It works great in good lighting. Awesome job.

</comment><comment><USER52> Trying it out but it crashes each time I end a recording. (iPhone 5S, UK)

<comment><USER9> Do you still have available space on your phone ? Anyway, send us the crash reports, we'll look into this !

<comment><USER52> It just throws me out to the home screen, is there somewhere else I need to look for crash reports?

I have plenty of space, it crashes after about 1 seconds of processing the movie.

<comment><USER9> Damn. We'll look into that. Thanks for the feedback. IN the meantime, try rebooting your phone and quitting all active app. This might be an available memory issue.

</comment></comment></comment></comment><comment><USER53> How does this video stabilization work?

<comment><USER42> We record data from the internal sensors in your iPhone while shooting the video (mainly, the gyroscope), which allows us to estimate how your camera moves when taking the video and compensate for that.

<comment><USER54> That's a neat way to do it, good stuff!

</comment></comment></comment><comment><USER55> Not available in the Polish App store.

<comment><USER56> yeah, I wonder, why?

</comment></comment><comment><USER57> Looks great, going to give this a shot

</comment><comment><USER37> FYI, this can be done on Android, it's just stupidly difficult.

</comment><comment><USER58> Sold! Great work!

</comment><comment><USER59> brilliant one, cant wait to get it in android

</comment><comment><USER60> I'd never buy this without trying

</comment><comment><USER61> this is really cool!

</comment><comment><USER62> I'll try it out when it's out for "the rest of us" who use Android.</comment>


Using Ember.js and Stripe Checkout - <AUTHOR> http://hawkins.io/2013/06/ember-and-stripe-checkout/

<comment><USER2> Just a quick edit to the script to re-enable the purchase button if the Stripe modal is closed.

[http://jsbin.com/alesuk/16/edit](http://jsbin.com/alesuk/16/edit)

</comment><comment><USER3> Please enlighten if I'm mistaken but is this not, like, a microcosm for a certain current culture of unproductive client MVC fetishism? What do you think is easier to maintain, the officially supported data-attribute based implementation here:

[https://stripe.com/blog/stripe-checkout](https://stripe.com/blog/stripe- checkout)

or the model/controller code in the article? Maybe I've missed the point.</comment>


Hey Personal is $99/year (mail by Basecamp team) - <AUTHOR> https://twitter.com/jasonfried/status/1265660813773361154 <comment><USER2> Will it support custom domains?

<comment><USER3> Eventually.

[https://twitter.com/dhh/status/1232733919847469057?s=21](https://twitter.com/dhh/status/1232733919847469057?s=21)</comment></comment>


Yogurt Sales Are Falling, Despite (and Because of) Endless Varieties - <AUTHOR> https://modernfarmer.com/2019/11/yogurt-sales-are-falling-despite-and-because-of-endless-varieties/ <comment><USER2> It's rather hard to find good yogurt in the US. Most of the ones in the supermarket are essentially candy -- oversugared, overflavored, etc. and the ones that aren't seem to be seriously overpriced.

I started making my own a number of years back because of this (making yogurt is SUPER easy). Now I live in an area that has a local creamery that makes excellent yogurt, though, and have been making my own less often.

(Edited to add this: if you are interested in making yogurt, there are instructions all over the internet -- but don't bother buying a yogurt maker unless you're into gadgets. They're entirely unnecessary.)</comment>


Scaling python webapps from 0 to 50 million users - A top-down approach - <AUTHOR> http://www.slideshare.net/jinaljhaveri/scaling-python-webapps-from-0-to-50-million-users-a-topdown-approach pycon2010 scalability talk: scaling facebook apps <comment><USER2> I wish this was a video presentation :( .

<comment><USER3> there is: see <http://pycon.blip.tv/>

All the presentations should be up already, if not, shortly.

<comment><USER2> Awesome :) thanks.

</comment></comment></comment><comment><USER4> Here is a link to the video: <http://blip.tv/file/3359300>

</comment><comment><USER4> Yes, the video of this presentation will be available on pycon.blip.tv soon. Thanks Mike for posting this.

</comment><comment><USER5> Wow. I was not expecting to read "paster" nor "mysql" in that presentation!</comment>


Tesla reports first quarterly profit in more than three years - <AUTHOR> http://www.reuters.com/article/us-tesla-results-idUSKCN12Q2QW <comment><USER2> Really great news! But something that shouldn't be overlooked is the discounts they gave in Q3 to push deliveries up.

First, those that know me know that I am a Tesla FANATIC. My girlfriend once challenged me to not talk about Tesla (motors, energy, something) for a 24 hour period. I dunno if I've ever done that honestly. I'm also an owner (no surprise given my fanaticism, lucky to be able to afford one). And I also own some TSLA.

Elon sent a company-wide email in Q3 to push sales to show profitability. I don't think its a fluke but they did something they never really do to help reach this number: they offered significant discounts on vehicles (new, pre- owned, showroom). Like, really big discounts (relative to the price of the car).

That certainly helped. Elon also sent an email at the start of Q4 that NO MORE DISCOUNTS are allowed. So I'm really very interested to compare Q3 to Q4 when that comes.

I also happen to know a lot of the people who bought a heavily discounted Tesla in Q3 feel kind of burned that right at the beginning of Q4 Tesla announced the new Autopilot hardware (that isn't retrotfitable on old vehicles). If you did your homework on Tesla though, this wasn't a surprise. It was expected that Tesla would make some big announcement to spur Q4 sales especially after Elon said there wouldn't be any capital raises in Q4 while he expected to hit Q4 numbers. You generally can't do that without some big news.

Just wanted to color this news with that. I'm still very excited!

<comment><USER3> > "I also happen to know a lot of the people who bought a heavily discounted > Tesla in Q3 feel kind of burned that right at the beginning of Q4 Tesla > announced the new Autopilot hardware (that isn't retrotfitable on old > vehicles). "

Wow I guess this is the best proof of how Tesla is really changing the way auto owners think, this is something that wasn't unthinkable before Tesla and their over the air updates. Can you imagine a BMW owner complaining that his 2015 model does not have stuff that new 2017 models will get??

<comment><USER4> No, but I can imagine a BMW owner complaining that the 2016 model came out 3 weeks after he bought his 2015, with no notice from BMW, the sales guy, or the press. And that the 2016 model came with a bunch of new features he really wanted and would've been willing to pay for.

<comment><USER5> > no notice from BMW, the sales guy, or the press

Tesla has done this for a long while. Newer larger battery pack options, newer interior and tech package options, and completely new performance and configuration options (insane, dual motor, and autopilot 1.0 all hit at once)

While there wern't announcements ahead of time what was coming, there were often advance notice that there was an announcement coming, and even when there wasn't - there was a big period of quiet from Tesla leading up to it.

For Autopilot 2.0 everyone knew it was coming for at least the Model 3 launch (Elon said as much at the Model 3 announcement), they just brought it forward.

It is really no different to what happens to customers for a bunch of other tech companies. Canon sure doesn't tell anyone when their new models are coming out - you know it'll _probably_ happen at a major trade show, but only if you're someone that follows that kind of thing. The average customer at their camera shop isn't going to have the sales guy say "Hey, wait a week and we'll have the next version available."

<comment><USER6> Yes, they keep doing it, and _if you pay close attention_ to Tesla, you're aware of it. You're also aware of rumors of AP2 coming. If you don't follow Tesla news, you're in for a surprise.

Regardless, I think it's a fair critique: buyer's remorse is a real thing with Tesla. It's one thing to buy a $3000 computer from Apple and have it replaced with a much better one the next week, it's another to buy a $100K car and have a major improvement two weeks later.

<comment><USER7> At the end of the day however, it is not Tesla's responsibility nor in their best interest to educate their customers to make intelligent purchasing decisions.

If you want change in this regard, it's not going to come from Tesla.

<comment><USER8> It can lead to buyer hesitance, which is a problem. Why buy now when the car can suddenly become better? Without any understanding of when it would get better, or how much, the fear of the regret can be substantial.

</comment></comment></comment></comment></comment></comment></comment><comment><USER9> The Economist recently did a good article on the financing of Elon Musk's companies that flew under the radar of Hacker News that probably warranted further discussion [1] [2]. (Though the author of that piece completely misses the relative importance of each company to Musk, suggesting "he could try to sell [...] SpaceX, through gritted teeth, to a defence firm")

It's unfortunate there's a bit of a reality distortion field around discussion Elon Musk's companies sometimes. Maybe because everyone wants his companies to succeed...

[1] [http://www.economist.com/news/business/21709061-entrepreneur...](http://www.economist.com/news/business/21709061-entrepreneurs- finances-are-jaw-dropping-inventive-and-combustible-his- space?fsrc=scn/fb/te/pe/ed/countdown)

[2] [http://www.economist.com/blogs/economist- explains/2016/10/ec...](http://www.economist.com/blogs/economist- explains/2016/10/economist- explains-21?fsrc=scn/fb/te/bl/ed/canelonmusksbusinessempiresurviveandthrive)

<comment><USER10> > Maybe because everyone wants his companies to succeed...

Surely the only ones who _don 't_ want dramatically cheaper space launches, cheaper, widely available solar PV installations and attractive, affordable electric vehicles are deeply entrenched incumbents whose continued profitability involves polluting the planet, or those who really hate the environment for whatever reason.

There are valid criticisms you can level at Musk (I wouldn't like to be a direct employee), but taking on the Wall Street quarter to quarter thinking with enormous, risky endeavours that have the potential to completely revolutionise some of the biggest industries out there (energy and transport) takes an extreme type of individual to succeed.

<comment><USER11> I don't have anything against Musk. I simply don't care much one way or the other because the things he's working on will never affect me.

Electric cars are not something I'm interested in owning at the price Tesla is asking. Or even half what Tesla is asking.

Utility electricity works fine for me, is a small fraction of my monthly budget, and is reliable. I.e. something I never really worry about. Payments for and maintenance of a personal PV system do not interest me.

Space travel? Again if he wants to spend his money there, fine. But I don't see it changing my life.

I am not an entrenched encumbent either. I just drive cheap, old cars and have no interest in visiting Mars. I don't even care for conventional air travel.

<comment><USER12> Model 3 is going to cost $35k, and like $28k after incentives. It will SAVE about $1500/year on gas and $500 on maintenance. This is cheaper than a Honda Civic.

Are you sure you aren't interested at this price?

<comment><USER13> Really? I have a 20 year old Honda del Sol--which is essentially a 2-seater Civic variant--on which I spend under $500/yr on gas and under $500/year on maintenance. That's not typical I'm sure--and I do have another vehicle--but you can't claim your numbers as general savings.

<comment><USER14> Can you really compare a 20 year old honda del sol to a new model 3 (when it comes out obvioulsly) though? I don't have anything against used cars, but its apples and oranges. You can totally claim those numbers as savings, in an apples to apples comparison to a similar class car from a close year.

<comment><USER13> The claim was around saving money vs. a Civic. You're going to have to assume a lot of miles (and make favorable assumptions about long-term maintenance) to make the numbers work. I have nothing against EVs but they're generally not a good purely financial decision for most people today.

[ADDED: The mass-market Tesla is going to still be a premium vehicle relative to other options. There's nothing wrong with that. But it's unrealistic to expect that crunching the numbers the right way will make Tesla the optimal financial decision for everyone.]

</comment></comment></comment></comment></comment></comment></comment><comment><USER15> Related, at the beginning of Q3 Elon Musk sent email to employees urging to cut costs:

> I thought it was important to write you a note directly to let you know how > critical this quarter is, The third quarter will be our last chance to show > investors that Tesla can be at least slightly positive cash flow and > profitable before the Model 3 reaches full production.

<comment><USER16> Although now he says (in the earnings call) there is a _slight_ chance that Q4 will also be profitable.

</comment></comment><comment><USER17> Direct link to the letter: [http://files.shareholder.com/downloads/ABEA-4CW8X0/310041501...](http://files.shareholder.com/downloads/ABEA-4CW8X0/3100415019x0x913801/F9E5C36A-AFDD-4FF2-A375-ED9B0F912622/Q3_16_Update_Letter_- _final.pdf)

> Total Q3 GAAP revenue was $2.30 billion, up 145% from Q3 2015, while total > Q3 gross margin was 27.7%, compared to 21.6% in Q2. Total automotive revenue > was $2.15 billion on a GAAP basis, up 152% from Q3 2015. Our final Q3 > delivery count was 24,821,over 300 more than the estimated delivery count we > shared on October 2nd. Deliveries increased 114% from the third quarter of > 2015, and was comprised of 16,047 Model S and 8,774 Model X vehicles. In > addition, 5,065 vehicles were in transit to customers at the end of the > quarter. These vehicles will be delivered in Q4.

<comment><USER18> > We achieved record production levels in Q3, rising to 25,185 vehicles for an > increase of 37% from Q2 and an increase of 92% from Q3 last year.

An almost 100% production increase Year over Year, they said it couldn't be done and yet here we are.

<comment><USER19> Compare with Toyota's annual production of approximately 9 million vehicles for some perspective.

<comment><USER20> Compare with Toyota's head start of approximately 66 years for some perspective.

<comment><USER21> They're literally building them in an old Toyota plant, that at peak output was 426,000 vehicles annually.

<comment><USER16> They're building televisions in an old lawnmower plant. For the most part they built a new factory inside the old one.

<comment><USER22> More like building tv sets into lawnmower.

</comment></comment></comment></comment></comment></comment></comment><comment><USER23> One thing to note, I have a few friends who work at Tesla service centers. They cut A LOT of corners when it comes to service to show profits this quarter. For example, for the location that one of my friends works at (which happens to be one of the busiest locations in Southern California), they sold almost every single loaner vehicle as a used car.

<comment><USER24> While it's obvious that Tesla did whatever they could in Q3, it's worth noting that that's the strategy for loaner cars: they are supposed to be new, loaded cars, so that owners with a 2-3 year old car are tempted to upgrade.

Given the new sensors, they need to update the loaner fleet.

<comment><USER25> Right, I don't think that's dishonest. These were vehicles essentially already paid for by Tesla in previous quarters. The fact that they could still sell them is a good sign.

</comment></comment></comment><comment><USER26> I imagine this is because the majority of revenue is spent on growing the buisness, rather than going into profit (As profit = revenue - expenses). As Tesla still has a lot more space to grow. Same method Amazon did until recently for years.

<comment><USER27> Excellent! Thank you for pointing that out. "Profit" is a comical term, how can we measure the net savings for humanity-at-large from such endeavors?

<comment><USER28> I wouldn't exactly call it comical. It's just that it's a political term rather than a financial one. Deciding to take a profit this year is an important signifier for the investors, who all must have the same question in mind, how long is it going to take for their investment to pay off.

As long as Musk decides to roll all revenues back into operations, investors get nothing. Musk has a reputation as someone who doesn't really care all that much about his investors, this is a move carefully designed to massage that image. Musk still doesn't care about his investors, but throwing a little cash their way keeps their voices from building to a crescendo.

As for what humanity is getting out of the deal, they already got the Model S and X, it's soon going to get the 3.

<comment><USER29> _humanity is getting out of the deal, they already got the Model S and X, it 's soon going to get the 3_

Let's not be too breathless when we describe the cars that a few hundred thousand of the wealthiest people on the planet have purchased.

<comment><USER30> ... at a considerable cost to taxpayers in what was essentially a large upward wealth transfer.

It might be worth it in the end, but call a spade a spade.

<comment><USER31> In the US gas is subsidized to hell. It's not even close compared to EV credits paid out.

<comment><USER32> The ZEV credits that Tesla receives, and sells on, aren't paid for by taxpayers - they're paid for by other automakers.

Ultimately, it comes out of the profits of whichever automakers aren't producing enough low-emission cars.

<comment><USER27> Interesting. This is my first time learning about ZEV credits. That's actually pretty cool.

</comment></comment></comment></comment></comment></comment></comment></comment><comment><USER33> SCTY acquisition is locked up.

EDIT: Elon just said on the investor call "Our current plan requires _no capital raise whatsoever for the Model 3 production_. Solar City will be neutral to cash contributor in Q4.

<comment><USER34> I'm not sure it does. All it shows is that Tesla, may at some point in the future be consistently profitable. It doesn't change anything about the prospects of SolarCity to be consistently profitable and if I were a Tesla owner that's what I'd want to see, getting more value than I put in.

<comment><USER35> The whole is greater than its parts. Tesla, to 'own' the ecosystem, needed to eventually offer what SolarCity has or there'd be a segment in their market they are catering to.

<comment><USER36> By that logic, what's really preventing Ford and Toyota from reaching true success is that they don't own any oil rigs.

TSLA owning SCTY makes about as much sense as Toyota buying Exxon-Mobil, with a small helping of 'enormous conflict of interest.'

<comment><USER37> If ford and Toyota were marketing their vehicles to people that for the most part had substandard access to gas, or gas fluctuated enough that they were caught paying higher prices based on the time of day, they may very well have come out with accessories to deal with this, such as standard equipment tow- hitches on all cars and small gas trailers, so you could plan a trip to the gas station that might be a ways away, and for when gas is cheap.

We don't generally have that problem in the US thought, and places where that might be useful are dwarfed by the markets it's not at that point, so it doesn't make sense. Otherwise, yes, that would be a big missed market opportunity for car companies. A chance to sell more stuff, and put it all under the same financing.

That is, the difference between Tesla and the ICE automakers is that one of them has a resource (fuel) distribution problem that was already solved a long time ago, and one doesn't. That necessitates different strategies.

</comment></comment></comment></comment></comment><comment><USER38> Most impressive here is a 70% increase in production.

Note that this occurred while Model 3 production is still starting.

</comment><comment><USER39> The biggest news in this release is gross margin.

Gross Margin Jumped from 26.7% in Q2 to 33.2% in Q3.

For reference, MRQ,

GM gross margin: 13.9%

Toyota: 23.6%

VW: 19.9%

Granted, those are not luxury auto makers, but Tesla is more profitable on a gross margin basis. That margin fuels everything from cash flow to R&D spending. 33% for an automaker is huge.

<comment><USER18> Yup, and as battery prices drop those margins are going to get even better(although I doubt we'll see the same level on the Model 3).

<comment><USER11> Only if they can sustain prices as competition comes online from other makers.

<comment><USER40> It is going to take about 3 years for competition to reach where Tesla is right now with regards to range and charging networks.

<comment><USER41> Charging networks maybe, but range no. The Chevy Bolt that will start selling in a couple of months has 238 miles range.

GM doesn't have the superchargers, but they can afford to price these cars with zero profit for a while, if they want to undercut Tesla.

<comment><USER40> My point was that the two are important together. A 240 mile range without a supercharger network is still a car that will not be particularly useful for a long trip (2+ hour drive).

</comment></comment></comment></comment></comment></comment><comment><USER42> Another take on the Tesla financial story:

[http://www.zerohedge.com/news/2016-10-26/tesla-earnings- smas...](http://www.zerohedge.com/news/2016-10-26/tesla-earnings-smash- expectations-after-dramatic-change-reporting-methodology)

</comment><comment><USER43> Cashed in a large amount of ZEV credits, for a one-time revenue bump of $140MM. Excluding that, GAAP loss was $117MM. Big increase in accounts payable. But, all things considered, that's not bad.

<comment><USER44> Very first line of the Update linked to in another comment,

> The Tesla third quarter results reflect strong company-wide execution in > many areas. Furthermore, we expect this to continue into Q4 and project > positive GAAP net income (excluding non-cash stock-based compensation) > despite ZEV credit sales in Q4 likely being negligible.

[https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=12800234](https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=12800234)

<comment><USER43> I'm not sure your point. That they expect profits to continue without the credits? I guess we will see. Not sure how this invalidates anything I wrote. I care less about projections than financial statements. Those credits composed a good chunk.

<comment><USER24> It's not a wild prediction, given that the new sensors means another surge in orders, which gives Tesla a chance to prioritize higher-margin, more expensive cars.

I don't know how many potential buyers were waiting, but I was expecting a bump in sensors and compute power sooner than later.

</comment></comment></comment></comment><comment><USER45> Can someone explain what this[0] means? It would seem that when you buy the car, you don't own it after all.

[0] [http://www.huffingtonpost.com/entry/tesla-self-driving- car-n...](http://www.huffingtonpost.com/entry/tesla-self-driving-car-network- uber-lyft_us_5810cebfe4b001e247df8fe2)

<comment><USER24> When you buy a lot of computing equipment, there's a clause in the contract saying that you can't use it to control a nuclear power plant. Do you own the computer?

<comment><USER46> I think that is because of the law.

This clause is more like Microsoft saying you can't use Windows to write software for Apple computers.

<comment><USER47> It doesn't change the fact that you still own the hardware on which the software is executed.

You own the car and the computer but you don't own the autopilot software or windows that runs on the hardware.

<comment><USER46> That doesn't mean people can't be upset that there are limitations placed on how you can use the software. Imagine if you were told you couldn't use Microsoft Word to write about certain topics, for example.

</comment></comment></comment></comment></comment><comment><USER48> It may even be a bad things if they have profits considering the kind of revolution they are attempting on the car industry. I hope though, that it means things went better for them than expected.

<comment><USER34> Profits do not equal money returned to investors. These profits will be held for future capital purchases or used to pay down debt or used for R&D in the future.

</comment></comment><comment><USER49> Great news! But not a surprise considering the great people who work there.

</comment><comment><USER50> I'm impressed and skeptical of the substantial increase in production. A 70% increase in production in one year would likely require substantial changes in the production stages. Hopefully Tesla didn't cut any corners to hit this production number; I'm hopeful that they just scaled back their production initially and now show their "full potential", or added a lot of new machinery in their production line(s). Maybe they will reach the 500,000 target.

<comment><USER51> They've been achieving production increases like that for years now. 70% YoY isn't anything special or remarkable for Tesla at this point.

</comment></comment><comment><USER52> I've been reading the book about Elon Musk, great read. This is all the more impressive considering all the stories of times they almost went bankrupt.

<comment><USER11> Amost (or actually) going bankrupt is normal (or at least, not unusual) for entrepreneurs.

</comment></comment><comment><USER53> Good for Tesla. It now only needs to reduce its dependency on government dole to kill the rest of the auto industry.

<comment><USER54> What are you talking about?

<comment><USER53> subsidies per car.

</comment></comment></comment><comment><USER55> Curious to understand how Model 3 deposits are reported in financials. Deferred revenue?

<comment><USER13> Yes, I believe. As such it will be on the balance sheet but generally deferred revenue shouldn't have an impact on the income statement given accrual accounting. It will be recognized as revenue as the product is delivered. (It will affect the cash flow statement as well, of course.)

<comment><USER56> There is a section that says customer deposits. I thought that's where the Model 3 Deposits and pending order deposits went.

<comment><USER13> Looks like it. So a deposit is received and it's recorded as cash (an asset) and customer deposits (a liability) on the balance sheet. And it doesn't affect the income statement. [ADDED: So customer deposits just a more specific name for revenue that can't be recognized as such yet.]

</comment></comment></comment></comment><comment><USER57> Why would they do that? Why post profits?

<comment><USER58> November 17 vote to approve Solar City purchase. Solar City has Musk's cousins with stakes worth millions.

[http://www.bloomberg.com/news/articles/2016-10-26/the- goldma...](http://www.bloomberg.com/news/articles/2016-10-26/the-goldman-way- to-fire-bit-by-bit-hundreds-are-given-heave-ho)

[https://www.bigw.com.au/product/fisher-price-keyboard- mat/p/...](https://www.bigw.com.au/product/fisher-price-keyboard- mat/p/WCC100000000209539/)

</comment></comment><comment><USER59> Elon Musk works too hard to fail.

</comment><comment><USER60> "Of 20 analysts covering the company, seven have a "sell" rating on the stock, four rate it "buy" or higher and nine have a "hold", according to Thomson Reuters data."

=== proof that something is very wrong with a world defined by speculators

<comment><USER61> How is a company with a market cap of $32 billion making a $20 million quarterly profit proof that something is wrong with people who think that company might be overvalued? Stock ratings are not about how a company is doing but about how a company is doing relative to its price.

<comment><USER62> stock price is about the sum of all future cash flow. not current profit level. you can have different forecasts, but you cannot say the act of making forecast itself is nonsense.</comment></comment></comment>


How Much Has Harvard Really Lost? - <AUTHOR> http://www.huffingtonpost.com/ed-epstein/how-much-has-harvard-real_b_152711.html <comment><USER2> The article discusses Harvard's investment shift away from American stocks and bonds, into real assets such as timber forests, real estate, and stockpiles of oil.

While these assets may have lost even more than US stocks this year, it's not hard to imagine that this strategy still makes sense in the long term. It really depends on whether you think this is simply a cyclical recession in the US or whether there is a risk the US will continue to decline relative to other nations. If the latter happens, commodities may regain value much faster than US stocks.

<comment><USER3> > US will continue to decline relative to other nations. If the latter > happens, commodities may regain value much faster than US stocks.

Somewhat paradoxically, U.S. stocks are likely to do _better_ if the U.S. declines relative to other nations. Very few U.S. stocks make the bulk of money in the U.S. Instead, they tend to make most of their revenues abroad (usually from 30-70% for most S&P 500 companies) and pay most of their _expenses_ in the U.S. If the U.S. dollar declines, their expenses drop, their revenues increase, and so their earnings (and hence stock price) go way up. If the U.S. _worker_ declines and can't bargain for the same standard of living they used to have, their wage costs go down, their revenues remain constant, and their stock price goes up.

The nightmare scenario for U.S. stocks would be if international trade goes kaput and war breaks out. Then they'd see the bulk of their market instantly disappear, with a resulting drop in earnings and stock price. But in this case, you should be worrying about how not to get killed, and not where to put your money.

<comment><USER2> Good points. The decline we should be worried about is not in the currency, but in the competitive advantage of the US relative to other countries. If it gets more affordable to do business elsewhere, you'll find fewer and fewer good companies on US financial markets. (Many claim SarbOx has already done significant damage here.) If emerging economies can continue to reduce costs -- by tackling security problems, corruption, red tape, improving education and infrastructure, etc. -- faster than we can, US equities may lose their world-leading position. That's not to say it's a zero-sum game; it's quite possible that all the world's equities markets could do well, and the US could lead without being dominant. But equity investments are more strongly tied to their country of origin than globally traded "real" commodities like timber or oil, so if you think the US might lose some competitive advantage -- like if it got significantly less appealing for valuable workers to immigrate here -- you might want to skip the stock certificates and instead buy the paper they're printed on.

</comment></comment></comment><comment><USER4> The amount of hate in the comments on that page is really surprising; I just don't understand it.

<comment><USER5> It's a populist backlash. As far as Harvard is a proxy for our financial elites, the commenters are upset at what they see as the government bailing out Wall Street while ignoring Main Street.

</comment></comment><comment><USER6> Where is this article originally from?

<comment><USER7> It looks like it really is a HuffPo article/blog post as opposed to a teaser link to WSJ, NYTimes, etc. It'd be nice if there was a bit more citation of quotes, numbers, etc.

And of course it's not just Harvard that's hit with losing nearly a quarter of it's value: Yale had announced it lost 25% [[http://seekingalpha.com/article/111196-yale-endowment- down-2...](http://seekingalpha.com/article/111196-yale-endowment- down-25-since-june-30)] and if you do a news search on "college endowment" you'll see similar losses.

It'll be interesting to see how colleges cope with budget shortfalls especially with the initiatives that they've made on the financial aid front.

There's also the fallout from the Madoff debacle that hasn't yet been factored in: [http://www.usnews.com/blogs/paper-trail/2008/12/22/tufts- yes...](http://www.usnews.com/blogs/paper-trail/2008/12/22/tufts-yeshiva-new- york-law-school-and-harvard-hurt-by-madoff.html)

</comment></comment><comment><USER8> whats the surprise? in good markets, excess risk makes you rich. in bad markets. it kills you. the able manager knows when to realign the portfolio</comment>


Planetary waves, first found on Earth, are discovered on Sun - <AUTHOR> http://exactlyscience.com/archives/11747.html <comment><USER2> Blogspam of

[https://www2.ucar.edu/atmosnews/news/126091/planetary- waves-...](https://www2.ucar.edu/atmosnews/news/126091/planetary-waves-first- found-on-earth-are-discovered-on-sun)

with the actual author credit (Laura Snider) ripped out.</comment>


Zapier integration process more severe than big-techs. - <AUTHOR> Apple attempted to levy a 30% App Store fee on Hey subscriptions, despite the fact that Hey doesn't actually allow in-app purchases (payments happen on the web). While Apple's actions were not necessarily in response to the competition, they do call out Apple's incredible power over app developers.
Last January, the entrepreneur took his Twitter rants directly to Congress, testifying in front of the House Antitrust Committee:
"A small company like ours simply has no real agency to reject or resist the rules set by big tech. And neither do consumers. The promise that the internet was going to cut out the middleman has been broken"
This dictatorial nature is not limited to big-tech, but in my recent experience, while submitting an integration to Zapier, here is what I discovered.
1. Do the API integrations as per them - which is fair and expected.
2. Create a blog-post and documentation about your submission.
3. Send this to your subscribers.
4. It does not stop here. Create Zap templates on Zapier and then embed it on your website.
5. As if this was not enough, now they want you to bring them 50 customers. Unless you do that, your app is in beta.
If not dictatorial, what is this? If you want to submit your app
1. Give me free backlink 2. Give me a blog post 3. Give me a website embed. 4. Give me an email shout-out to your subscribers.
5. Well that is not enough, I want 50 of your customers to sign up with us.
What do you think about it? <comment><USER2> I don't think so.

Playing in someone's arena is playing by their rules.

They built that arena with their blood, sweat and tears.

Why should the their reward be decided/judged by people on the sidelines?

You want to play? Pay up.

Dictatorial would be if you could ONLY make a living by selling through Zapier and they made that process unreasonable. They are not the only arena in town.

</comment><comment><USER3> I think there is a lot of people that want the integration just for the free promotion from Zapier and a seal of approval if your app supports Zapier. I think they have define these rules to weed out all the non-serious partners.

Like a lot of the integrations would work fine with the default Webhook integration they have and then your app's webhook.

</comment><comment> will-mortar Nothing is for free - especially around no code platforms. We aren't far from zapier, bubble and webflow getting a % of equity on whatever you build on/with their platforms!

</comment><comment><USER4> Well it is asking a lot TBH. Get 50 customers to sign up with us. It is almost like free affiliate partner. Are they asking for app integrations or free sales people for them?

</comment><comment><USER5> Are there any set standards for these types of integrations between systems/SaaS services to make them interoperable?

EG: Specific subset of REST or GraphQL, etc?

</comment><comment><USER6> how about somebody started an MIT licensed alternative to it?

<comment><USER4> there is n8n.io have you checked it?

<comment><AUTHOR> well there's a bunch.

Flogo - [https://github.com/tibcosoftware/flogo](https://github.com/tibcosoftware/flogo)

Huginn - [https://github.com/huginn/huginn](https://github.com/huginn/huginn)

DataFire - [https://github.com/DataFire/DataFire](https://github.com/DataFire/DataFire)

And yes, none of them as complicated as Zapier, which is kind of running a monopoly iPass, exploiting each integration provider.

<comment><USER4> what zapier leverages is the platform it has become, and is using it to its advantage.

<comment><AUTHOR> and is demonstrating the kind of monopoly, that even big-techs are shy of.</comment></comment></comment></comment></comment>


Ask HN: Opportunities for Structured Data? - <AUTHOR>

Ever since Google acquired ITA and Metaweb, I've been thinking of other verticals where building / aggregating structured data would be valuable. Seems like many niches have already been covered:
- Lawyers: Avvo
- Doctors: Vitals
- Location: Yelp/Foursquare/etc
- Cars: Vast
- Pets: Vast
- Movies: Imdb
- Credit Cards: NerdWallet
I think it would be interesting to brainstorm some other verticals where building your own structured data could be a viable business.
Here are some that I'm thinking about:
- Colleges: It's a pain comparing which college is better vs another. Having a single structured database/model for all colleges would be great. Could extend it to comparing courses/costs/future salaries/etc.
- Disease: There are some companies already doing this, but I feel like it could be more open. Symptoms, cures, timelines, progression, location, etc.
- Soft Goods: Clothes, accessories, etc. Not sure how you'd go about creating / gathering enough structured data, but seems like there is a need.
What do you think are some good opportunities to apply the structured data biz model? <comment><USER2> Household appliances - no site I know of allows you to search them based on the width, height and depth but for people who are replacing them, then that is often the first consideration - yes there are 'standard' sizes but how many houses are built to standard :) Another thing of course is when buying an oven or fridge, important consideration is capacity. I would love to be able to search for say 'show me all fridges which have a max width of 90cm and order them by capacity'. Add In price comparison and links to buy

</comment><comment><USER3> In the UK several of the national newspapers publish university league tables - not sure if you get the same thing in the US? Might provide some inspiration for you.

See <http://extras.timesonline.co.uk/stug/universityguide.php> for an example.

</comment><comment><USER4> Colleges breaks down when trying to turn qualitative experiences into quantitative data, I don't like how the models come out. (Doesn't mean they don't end up successful, obviously.)

My fave approach in the space recently has been Unigo.com, nice aggregation of user generated content to great effect.

<comment><AUTHOR> It's hard even to measure the quantitative stuff now. For example, how do you perform a query like "find me 10 colleges in the west coast, that offer both a CS bachelors degree and masters, ordered by average entry SAT score"?

</comment></comment><comment><USER5> \- Books, book categories, book reviews.

\- Wines, beers.

\- Food ingredients and nutrition (FDA data).

\- Public and private companies, financial data and reports.

\- Housing data, county records.

</comment><comment><USER6> This is a good line of thinking.

Disease (health) is a huge, huge industry.

(does Vast really do pets?)

More ideas: Travel, Financial Instruments (credit cards and other debt)

<comment><AUTHOR> Yeah - Vast really does pets. <http://www.vast.com/pets>

Do you really think there's still an opportunity in Travel given ITA/Google?

<comment><USER6> Honestly that probably makes for more opportunity rather than less...

</comment></comment></comment><comment><USER7> Although I dont like the word, I d say "semantic" endpoints for things like YQL to enable easy access to data without having to parse html manually.

</comment><comment><USER2> I'll add another. Hotel, car rental, flight reward programs and their myriad of benefits, special offers to get extra points / miles etc.

</comment><comment><USER8> I like the colleges one. Good question too, giving it some thought...

</comment><comment><USER9> household grocery consumption for a zip code/town/neighborhood (or is there something out there already).

Would be interesting for consumers, manufacturers and stores.</comment>


The Pitchforks are Coming - <AUTHOR> http://www.politico.com/magazine/story/2014/06/the-pitchforks-are-coming-for-us-plutocrats-108014.html#.U7Iy5I1dXgR

<comment><USER2> I'm curious to see if this only grows worse given the continued automation of industries like manufacturing that have traditionally been the backbone of the American middle class during the 20th century. Not so much that jobs won't be there, but they will require more advanced skills and less employees, thanks to "software eating the world."

Building the case for raising the minimum wage is an interesting one to be viewed objectively (not that it ever is), but I think it's also too early to tell with Seattle what the long-term outcomes are.

<comment><USER3> If capitalism works, it will solve that problem. In other industries there are talent shortages. Maybe markets will be created on making tools to raise the relative skillset of a displaced workforce?

<comment><USER2> One can hope, and I would sincerely like to think that new markets within manufacturing or other "old" industries are going to emerge. Off-shoring isn't the cheap solution it once was. Then again, I tend to be very critical of the belief that other industries have "shortages": [http://spectrum.ieee.org/at- work/education/the-stem-crisis-i...](http://spectrum.ieee.org/at- work/education/the-stem-crisis-is-a-myth)

</comment></comment></comment><comment><USER4> [https://hn.algolia.com/?q=pitchforks+are+coming#!/story/fore...](https://hn.algolia.com/?q=pitchforks+are+coming#!/story/forever/0/pitchforks%20are%20coming)

<comment><USER5> To be honest, this is one of the problems I have with HN. If there's a decent article but it goes relatively under the radar, I'll never see it. And there's no system in place to give an article a "second chance". It seems like based on the algorithm in place, if it doesn't take off immediately, the article will never get traction.

<comment><USER4> Thanks for writing that. It's definitely a problem that too many good stories fall through the cracks on HN. If all the good stories were able to reach the front page even briefly, I'm convinced that the story quality on HN would be much higher. So this problem is actually my primary focus these days when I have time to work on the code.

You're a bit mistaken about there being no system to give second chances right now. If an article hasn't had significant attention within about the last year, we don't treat reposts as dupes. That already helps quite a lot. However, the ideas that we're hoping to implement around this are different and, if they work, will have a more dramatic effect. So I hope you'll be willing to wait and see.

Now for the bad news. I'm afraid we don't agree that this "pitchforks" piece is a decent article. To me (qua moderator) it looks like a low-substance political riler-upper by an author who has been circulating the same message (including through HN) for a while now and happened to score a post on Politico, a questionable site for HN to begin with.

Qua reader, by the way, I have a different reaction. I kind of like that stuff and I find the root question very interesting. I mean the question of whether the postwar social order which has been so stable is threatened by current macroeconomic developments. But (qua moderator again) I think any HN discussions on that need to be seeded with higher-quality material.

So the reason you were frustrated in this case is not HN's dupe detector, it's that a moderator is more or less calling an article you like off-topic for HN. My thought was that since [https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=7953608](https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=7953608) did have _some_ discussion, we could just treat all the reposts as dupes. Maybe that was overly finessey.

<comment><USER5> Thanks for your response. Glad to hear you're looking for a solution, and I'm very interested in seeing what ends up getting changed. I wonder how many people are actually looking at the "new" page vs. the front page, as I would imagine that an incredibly small number of people are the ones that end up being responsible for whether an article falls through the cracks or not. Personally, I rarely look at articles on the new page, so I expect that there are quite a lot of articles that do fall through the cracks for me.

Appreciate the input on the article in particular - I thought it was an insightful look as a Seattle local who has been puzzled by the $15 wage minimum for quite some time. I definitely see the point of it being more off- topic, but I'd argue that the author's background helps that cause (I have seen plenty of articles about random tech luminaries' opinions on somewhat off-topic items).

Regardless, thank you again for writing a reasoned reply to add context.

</comment></comment></comment></comment><comment><USER5> As a local Seattleite, this is the first logical explanation I've heard for a $15 minimum wage, and it has given me a reason to change my mind on the policy. I don't know how it will play out (I don't think anyone does), but I hope he's right.</comment>


Summary of Elixir Conf EU 2016 - <AUTHOR> https://tkowal.wordpress.com/2016/05/13/my-summary-of-elixir-conf-eu-2016/ <comment><USER2> I'm really excited about nerves. I'm hoping to use it to build some small arduino projects this summer.</comment>


RuneScape 3, completely rewritten in HTML5, is now live - <AUTHOR> http://electronictheatre.co.uk/pc/pc-news/38958/runescape-3-launches-worldwide

<comment><AUTHOR> I would have linked to an actual announcement from Runescape.com itself, but the site seems to be all but down right now.</comment>


As Curiosity touches down on Mars, video is taken down from YouTube  - <AUTHOR> http://arstechnica.com/tech-policy/2012/08/as-curiosity-touches-down-on-mars-video-is-taken-down-from-youtube/ <comment><USER2> It's time for penalties for false DMCA takedown notices.

<comment><USER3> If it was a content id takedown (which it sounds like it was, and Ars thinks so too), the DMCA is not involved at all; Google's content id system allows takedowns that do not use the DMCA system and thus do not expose the filer to a perjury charge. Google might penalize the company some other way, but it doesn't seem like it from the outside.

<comment><USER4> Well, I'm not sure I condone this behavior, but the Fox News thing to do here is for NASA to blackball Scripps, and to refuse to grant them interviews or access to their events.

<comment><USER5> Isn't Content ID automatic? Could be Scrips just says yes automatically to every hit generated by Content ID.

<comment><USER4> That doesn't absolve Scripps of their responsibility to make sure that the content going into their system isn't owned by someone else.

If one were the sort to blackball others, the fact that an algorithm did it for them, on the basis of data that they fed in is essentially no excuse for me.

<comment><USER5> > that the content going into their system

I thought it was a mistaken identification? I.e. it was youtube's fault, not Scripps.

<comment><USER4> "We apologize for the temporary inconvenience experienced when trying to upload and view a NASA clip early Monday morning," a Scripps spokesman told Motherboard. "We made a mistake. We reacted as quickly as possible to make the video viewable again, and we've adjusted our workflow processes to remedy the situation in future."

<comment><USER5> I repeat myself: "Could be Scrips just says yes automatically to every hit generated by Content ID."

So they have some responsibility for saying yes (i.e. their workflow was select all, yes), but it was youtube that misidentified the video, not that Scrips uploaded a video from NASA into content ID as you wrote.

</comment></comment></comment></comment></comment></comment></comment></comment><comment><USER6> I think we need legislation or, at least, some sort of groundwork regulation that protects user-generated content from company-issued end-user agreements tied to private takedown workflows, such as Google's content-id system. Such agreements tend to give publishers and copyright owners far too much power. I'm even thinking of left-field cases here, such as the right to control and redistribute content in the backdrop of Craiglist vs. PadMapper -- regardless of who's right or not, these two websites are fighting over content that _wasn't actually produced by either one of them_. It's come to the point where websites and their business partners have become _de facto_ copyright owners of anything ever produced by mankind. What I'm saying is quite hyperbolic, I know, but just imagine a glitch in Time-Warner's top-notch automated content takedown workflow that takes down from You Tube, Vimeo and DropBox, almost instantly, a homevideo of my 8-year old son's rendition of Bach's Suite for Cello, due to a striking similarity to some piece of content supposedly owned by a prominent customer of theirs. Sounds familiar?

For instance, under my hypothetical legislation, Google would only be allowed to take down NASA's video if NASA accepted such action via an email notification that warned of a copyright claim by a third party. Such legislation would limit Google's liability (even further), protecting it from legal action by Scripps Local News, but most importantly, limit its power over the user's content published in its website, thus effectively (and I hope positively) diminishing Google's role as a copyright claim desk. The burden now would be on Scripps Local News to "threaten" (warn) the end-user of impending legal actions. This system works better the less anonymous and more accountable you, or your profile, are. OTOH, it reduces Google's persuasiveness when it comes to partnering with large media producers, which, all in all, is the heart of this content removal fever. Google's stance is to beg the user to bear with these takedown "glitches" because that's how we'll get to watch the full Beatles concertography for "free".

This fantasy takedown and redistribution noob legislation of mine, which has been addressed before [1], has many limitations (ie legal inconsistencies across borders), but I feel something needs to be done to better protect UGC since its existence, despite its metamorphic nature, has remained a constant for as long as we've had the internets.

[1] [http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User- generated_content#Legal_pr...](http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User- generated_content#Legal_problems_related_to_UGC)

</comment><comment><USER7> How about a three strike or six strike rule for false take down notices? Pass that threshold, and no more DMCA for you.

/snark, but also seriously

<comment><USER8> YouTube doesn't require DMCA takedowns - they just trust the copyright holder. So "no more DMCA" wouldn't even stop this. The problem is Google's fire-and- forget method of automated interaction with humans.

<comment><USER9> This is how they took down Megaupload's Ad.

</comment></comment></comment><comment><USER10> Does anyone know how these DCMA/ ContentID calims work in practice?

As I understand it currently, the news segment was probably send to someone who fingerprints it and crawls youtube for infringement. They then send Google a take-down notice and some bot at Google takes down the video and sends a mail to NASA, where for the first time a human notices that some news segment did copy a video from NASA.</comment>