Apple Moves Mac Pro Production from Texas to China - <AUTHOR> https://arstechnica.com/information-technology/2019/06/apple-moves-mac-pro-production-from-texas-to-china/ <comment><USER2> [https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=20304371](https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=20304371)</comment>


My Gmail is fast again - <AUTHOR> http://www.gabrielweinberg.com/blog/2010/06/my-gmail-is-fast-again.html

<comment><USER2> Or in other words, yet another example of:

"How to get meaningful support from Google"

\- be an internet personality in a community with enough clout to make noise

\- write blog post

\- wait

\- profit?? :)

Seriously, though, glad it was all worked out (and, more to the point, we now have a teeny tiny indication as to where this issue stems from - for other users with problems)

<comment><USER3> This guy is more than just an Internet celebrity though, this guy runs a search engine as a competitor to them -- why are they watching his blog? (Or did they come across it by accident?)

Speculative comment ahoy!

<comment><USER4> It might also just be that some people who work at Google who know some people working on Gmail read HN or his blog. They seem like the right demographic :)

</comment></comment></comment><comment><USER5> Are they helping out anyone or just people that complain loudly? My gmail has been killing me lately.

<comment><USER6> Are you internet famous and have a blog that people read? Then "Yes"!

</comment></comment><comment><USER7> If you want support for a Google product, write a letter to the 'Bits' blog of the NYTimes.

</comment><comment><USER8> I once worked with some reasonably large shared Web hosting companies and they frequently "oversold" on bandwidth, capacity, and the like - quite normal practice in the field.. and if people complained about slowness (perhaps their server was unlucky to have a handful of heavy users on it), they could be moved to quieter servers.

Seems like a similar thing is happening with GMail. The difference, though, is that most GMail users aren't paying a bean ;-)

</comment><comment><USER9> I think they swapped my account onto the old servers Gabe was on, because whilst mine was fast when I read the article, suddenly it's very slow (as in, 30 seconds to send an email slow).

I'd love to use Google Apps for my business, all employees already have Android phones so from that point of view it's a great idea. Things like this are what is stopping me from actually doing it.

That and I don't know if I could stand to be parted from mutt.

</comment><comment><USER10> i hope they can move all others accounts, including mine, to a _different set of servers_

</comment><comment><USER11> squeaky wheel...

</comment><comment><USER12> maybe they had you on an old cluster of commodore 64s they had repurposed for serving gmail?

</comment><comment><USER13> This is ridiculous, my ex-girlfriend once had this problem and she emailed support (I suggested her to do that) and got fixed.

This guy said he tried to send a support request to gmail but I bet he didn't. He said he had trouble finding the forms but even my ex found them.

<comment><USER14> I emailed support.</comment></comment>


YouTube videos that have almost zero previous views - <AUTHOR> http://astronaut.io/ <comment><USER2> Amazing concept. This was an incredible thing to uncover during my few minutes on the site:

[https://youtu.be/1rvPbeHjzlk](https://youtu.be/1rvPbeHjzlk)

It's a video of a woman reciting a poem that she wrote for her eldest son that speaks of her love for her son and her wish that he would get "off the streets". Emotional, honest, real. YouTube like I've never experienced. Brilliant.

<comment><USER3> This project is fantastic and has potential in bringing people closer together. I just watched a man propose to his girlfriend in another language. (I'm pretty sure she said yes!)

<comment><USER4> Then you get things like this: [https://youtu.be/syiSYMPwFck](https://youtu.be/syiSYMPwFck)

<comment><USER5> I couldn't even finish watching the video... once he said the letter "P" I switched off

<comment><USER6> But it got better at the end. Why did she say "do-da-didi-dam-di-doo"?

</comment></comment></comment></comment></comment><comment><USER7> This is... fascinating on a very personal level. I've never been a "YouTube" guy; I'd rather skim/read an article than watch a video. I've never binged, never clicked-clicked-clicked my night away on Youtube, and generally when sent a 17 minute video tutorial, ask/search if there's a 30 seconds writeup.

But this... this is mesmerizing. As cheesy as premise may be, you do feel a little like an outsider voyeur - not in a perverse sense, but in the having- no-expectations-or-context sense. Each video proves a gem, and timing is right. And knowing that you may be the only person who has ever seen it just adds to mystique... absolutely brilliant! :O

<comment><USER8> It's sort of like channel surfing all the "local access" channels in the world

<comment><USER9> It reminds me of the Adult Swim show "Robot Chicken". Not exactly in content but in format and style. Just random things, slices of life, from people across the world.

</comment></comment></comment><comment><USER10> The implementation here is somewhat interesting.

\- Video IDs are spit out onto a Socket.io connection. (Another person claims it's synchronized, which seems likely.)

\- While one video plays, another player is in the background buffering the next video. Making it quite seemless.

\- The code is from 2011, apparently, and it feels like it. You have code in script tags and plain old unminified JS, not to mention jQuery. Nothing wrong with that, but it's almost nostalgic at this juncture.

So many of the videos it was pulling up had IMG/MOV/DCS in the title that I wondered if that was the strategy for finding unwatched videos, but I don't think so, it must just be a consequence of many people uploading videos directly from camera files.

One remark I do have is that it seems to not be picking the most recent videos. There might be good reason for that (maybe waiting filters out bad content, or content that _will_ have views?)

<comment><USER11> "These videos come from YouTube. They were uploaded in the last week and have titles like DSC 1234 and IMG 4321. They have almost zero previous views."

That is from the initial page load. So it would seem that the title pattern that you observed is intentional

<comment><USER12> It's probably a strategy to find videos that were recorded IRL by real people.

There's a ton of content on YouTube that's generated automatically, as well as marketing videos, screencasts, etc. but those are not going to be nearly as interesting as something that someone recorded and uploaded by hand.

</comment></comment></comment><comment><USER13> This is a really weird premise for a site, but after a couple videos, all I could think was, this is an awesome glimpse at humanity.

<comment><USER14> And it makes me wonder about using similar approaches to break down the echo chambers we find ourselves in. We have a perception of what's normal based on what we see, but what we see is based on what we're already exposed to and what we ourselves do. Randomly seeing what a bunch of other people did this week? Great for that.

I also saw someone rave about "Donut" this week - schedules random 1-on-1's with people in your company to help with cross-pollination and bigger picture context. Chat Roulette and what a dumpster fire that is comes to mind, but I wonder if a LinkedIn-based service of a similar nature would be good just to learn about other companies, other corporate cultures, etc..

<comment><USER15> Your comment reminded me of interviewing.io and their strapline "chat roulette without the dicks" Similar idea but for engineering interviews and practice interviews

</comment></comment></comment><comment><USER16> There's a subreddit dedicated to this sort of thing, check it out:

[https://www.reddit.com/r/IMGXXXX](https://www.reddit.com/r/IMGXXXX)

<comment><USER17> also /r/deepintoyoutube.

</comment></comment><comment><USER18> I just have views of a planet and some spacecraft flying above the surface. How can I get the actual videos to play? There is no GO button anywhere.

<comment><USER19> Disable uBlock Origin. I had the same problem

<comment><USER20> I didn't have to disable uBlock myself, only whitelist it in noscript. Then I hovered over the word Go and the Go button appeared.

<comment><USER21> I didn't have to do anything with ublock origin still on.

</comment></comment></comment></comment><comment><USER22> Interesting idea, but the "Go" button is not appearing for me on Safari mobile.

<comment><USER23> It doesn't appear for me either on Firefox or Chrome. Maybe too much traffic?

<comment><USER24> Working for me on Firefox for Android.

</comment></comment></comment><comment><USER25> I kind of like the periodic switching and "hands-free" experience, but the idea itself isn't too original[0][1][2] and I am not a fan of the video taking up about 25% of my screen estate, the rest taken up by an unrelated, distracting stock space video.

0: [http://defaultfile.name/](http://defaultfile.name/)

1: [https://www.randomlyinspired.com/noviews](https://www.randomlyinspired.com/noviews)

2: [https://www.incognitube.com/](https://www.incognitube.com/)

<comment><USER26> > but the idea itself isn't too original

It's not immediately clear which one is the "original one", but this one has been around since at least 2012[1].

[1] [https://github.com/wonga00/astronaut/commit/a9bdaf0d00588b7a...](https://github.com/wonga00/astronaut/commit/a9bdaf0d00588b7ace6f05fb658e70641b513a94)

</comment></comment><comment><USER27> Video feed is synced across viewers. Even if you, as a user, click the button to keep watching a specific video, once you resume live mode, it's synced with other clients once again.

You can also see how many viewers are currently on the site, if you inspect the websockets messages.

</comment><comment><USER28> I created a very similar app:

[https://alexgarces.github.io/loststories/](https://alexgarces.github.io/loststories/)

The titles of all the videos shown are random strings based on the default media file names of some popular devices, such as iPhone or Samsung Galaxy. Some examples of these titles would be IMG_8869.MOV, DSC 0711 or MVI 6710.

All the videos, requested in real time, are not more than one year old. They are almost undiscovered, usually with very few views (or not even one).

</comment><comment><USER29> I'd like a back button, so the stream pause/resume isn't such a high cognitive load high-stakes high-regret "oh, that looks ... drat, too late" decision. Or perhaps a fade transition?

<comment><USER30> Left-arrow key goes back to the previous video, right arrow key takes you forward. Not sure if there's an option for mobile.

<comment><USER31> For anybody else that thought this doesn't work, you need to first select the circle pause button at the bottom to put the controls in "focus"

</comment></comment></comment><comment><USER32> Very interesting concept! I wish there were a bit more control, like being able to disable the automatic skip-to-next-video that happens after only a few seconds. Oh, you can, you need to press the round circle (which I mistook for a spinner-type indicator), icons that require you to first read instructions are bad icons. A button with a text on it, or a checkbox would have made more sense. But hey, it works, so it's cool!

</comment><comment><USER33> Quoting astrocat from the previous thread:

PSA: Watch in an private/incognito tab/window. If you are currently logged into your google account, this WILL pollute your watched history: [https://www.youtube.com/feed/history](https://www.youtube.com/feed/history)

<comment><USER34> Why would someone who is concerned about their watch history have watch history enabled at all?

<comment><USER35> Some like me actually appreciate the youtube recomendations based on the previously watched content, but need to be extra careful when watching some kind of content that is likely to be weighted a lot by "power users". Example, I do not follow videogames, but I do enjoy watching speedruns of old games ocassionally, so I need to watch it on incognito mode so I won't have my recommendations flooded with videogame videos.

<comment><USER36> Essentially with all that data, YouTube still hold a bad recommendation engine.

<comment><USER37> I'm currently unaware of any recommendation engine that's worth acknowledging.

Netflix, Amazon, Youtube, PornHub, etc... they're all accomplishing little more than "similar to the one, and only one item you last saw", with dramatic shifts in "profiling" from one or two videos.

Actually, Netflix acknowledges this and splits the recommendation into "because you watched X..", so at least it covers a greater range (eg last 5 things seen)

I'm damned sure they could be much more useful if they would let me tell them what I like, by implementing rating systems that are worth using (e.g. the ability to _browse and edit_ previous ratings in a sane fashion)

but user-useful recommendation is not the actual goal, so really its just that our metrics are wrong. It's probably great according to view counts.

<comment><USER38> The only one I think is good is when I build radio stations off custom playlists on Google play music. Generally speaking, most of the songs are good, and like 40% will get added to the playlist as well.

<comment><USER37> I don't use this, or Spotify, but those are the only two systems I've heard people give praise for the recommendation engine — I suspect that its because music playlists are almost equivalent to a rating system.

That is, the user is capable of efficiently informing the engine of their taste, and there's significant incentive for the user to consistently re- evaluate their ratings (playlists), so it can be trusted as up to date.

Another very important aspect is that playlists are useful enough to the user that they actually _want_ to maintain it.

For example, amazon, netflix and pornhub all have rating systems, but they're not at all useful. The interface isn't useful enough for reviewing and reflecting on, its not comprehensive enough to keep as a primary list (because it only covers what _they_ offer, which is _very_ limited) and there's of course no impact on the recommendation engine (because the rating systems are not worth using; chicken and egg). No sane person would touch the things (beyond "upvoting", which isn't significantly related to taste)

Imo ratings are absolutely vital to useful reccomendation, but they've been totally neglected

</comment></comment></comment></comment></comment></comment></comment><comment><USER39> Really like this! I remember the musician Burial would sample covers on YouTube of songs he wanted to sample with next to 0 views. So you had this double whammy of getting the vibe of the original song and the intimacy of a bedroom recording wrapped into the sample. Feel like there's so much potential to get neat stuff outta the onslaught of personal footage on youtube.

I guess on one level it's invasive as hell but in an increasingly streamlined online experience it's nice to get glimpses at all the other stuff that's going on out there.

</comment><comment><USER40> I love the perspective this gives you. You watch for a few minutes and remember how many things are going on outside of your own little world.

</comment><comment><USER41> Does this respect the 'unlisted' setting for a video? I recently uploaded some videos and set them all to unlisted, and yet some of them received views despite me not viewing them or handing out a link. I meant to dig into that more but forgot after getting distracted. Can unlisted videos be found by a program like this, which I assume is using the API?

<comment><USER42> We [0] index YouTube actively and see way over 5.5B videos [1] at this point. We catch a lot of unlisted videos and we did try to figure out how is that possible in the past.

It seems that a lot of users will upload video which is by default published with the default settings and thus is visible from the outside. Even if they change the settings fairly quickly, automated systems like ours will already know about the existence of that video.

There could be other reasons but this seems the most likely, especially as a video that is being uploaded can be published fairly swiftly.

[0] [https://pex.com](https://pex.com)

[1] [https://blog.pex.com/what-content-dominates-on- youtube-39081...](https://blog.pex.com/what-content-dominates-on- youtube-390811c0932d)

<comment><USER43> It sounds like you are aware that you are scraping videos that are later re- labeled as "unlisted", but you don't mention what you do to mitigate this problem.

Even if it may not be illegal, at the very least it would seem un-ethical to link to private videos like this, and it would seem trivial for you to "re- scrape" your database every now and then to check whether any existing videos have changed from listed -> unlisted, and if they have, remove them.

<comment><USER44> This logic would require them to re-scrape every video forever, which is unreasonable.

I think a better approach for everyone involved would be to only store references to videos which were posted more than x minutes ago. I'm not sure if they have that information when scraping though.

<comment><USER45> GP said:

>It seems that a lot of users will upload video which is by default published [and then they change it to private] //

So to avoid that sort of unexpected public-ing (ie publishing) only one extra scrape would be needed. Or, if they knew the period over which the setting was normally changed then they could just delay the scrape until most would have already been changed.

I imagine though, in part, the 'fun' is catching inadvertent publication and morality is no t considered.

<comment><USER42> It actually has nothing to do with "fun". As I mentioned in my other comment, we don't expose our database publicly and nobody but us can see that a video is unlisted.

It would beat the purpose of our service would we delay our identification, and it would actually require some significant engineering efforts in order to introduce such capabilities into our system with significant economical impact on our business.

</comment></comment></comment></comment></comment></comment><comment><USER46> > These videos come from YouTube. They were uploaded in the last week and have > titles like DSC 1234 and IMG 4321. They have almost zero previous views. > They are unnamed, unedited, and unseen (by anyone but you).

How does it work, technically? Is there an API to pull videos with a certain title format within a certain range, and then are the sections of video randomly chosen?

Edit: Found this [https://github.com/wonga00/astronaut](https://github.com/wonga00/astronaut) \- answers some questions:

> The server currently pulls in videos daily from youtube. Search criteria is > [TAG]XXXX with upload time this week, where TAG is a raw video prefix such > as 'dsc' or 'img'. This search turns out to be a good approximation for the > data set of home videos created in the last week.

</comment><comment><USER47> Reminds me of Forgotify: a website that displays songs that have 0 plays on Spotify: [http://forgotify.com/](http://forgotify.com/)

Fun fact: if you listen to a song returned from the site it'll never be seen on the site again (as it would have >0 views)

</comment><comment><USER48> Thread from 2017: [https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=13413225](https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=13413225)

</comment><comment><USER49> Interdimensional cable, Morty.

</comment><comment><USER50> For me the first video result was, what at first glance appeared to be a robot welding a barbecue.

[https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LblUWrJXfSA](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LblUWrJXfSA)

<comment><USER51> Pretty good find, looks more like an excavator bucket, not a barbecue though.

</comment></comment><comment><USER52> Check this subreddit for a similar and a bit weirder experience

[https://www.reddit.com/r/DeepIntoYouTube/](https://www.reddit.com/r/DeepIntoYouTube/)

</comment><comment><USER29> A somewhat similar "sampling" experience is searching for a high-frequency term like "a", and filtering for an upload date of last hour or day[1]. Non- English terms and time of day bias on geography.

[1] "a"/"last hour": [https://www.youtube.com/results?search_query=a&sp=EgIIAQ%253...](https://www.youtube.com/results?search_query=a&sp=EgIIAQ%253D%253D)

<comment><USER45> No stop words, that's curious?

</comment></comment><comment><USER53> [http://www.petittube.com/](http://www.petittube.com/) is 100 times better

</comment><comment><USER54> Yeah can confirm this is a new way to not only experience Youtube, but the internet itself.

This was one of the first few that popped up for me, a cyberpunk/Terry Gilliam reality thing: [https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RPyfqim1KA8](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RPyfqim1KA8)

</comment><comment><USER55> This is the same search method I use to continuously play back YT videos on a dedicated small screen connected to a raspberry pi in my apartment. Definitely shows an amazing cross section through humanity. The great thing about the camera file name is it's language and region agnostic. So you really get everything.

</comment><comment><USER56> LOL - found this diamond in the rough. Not sure if creepy dude filming women or actually his job? [https://www.youtube.com/user/federicomarocchio/videos](https://www.youtube.com/user/federicomarocchio/videos)

<comment><USER57> Most of them seem related to beauty pageants, and the others are cosplayers, probably showing off their costumes.

</comment></comment><comment><USER58> Awesome. I've been trotting this idea out for years as an interesting but silly website I should make: videos even the uploaders didn't watch. I'm so excited to see it at the top of HN. This might inspire me to execute on one of my other absurd ideas.

</comment><comment><USER59> this is an awesome idea, for a handful of different reasons. "A feed of the present". The post got my attention because of the domain name. Perhaps including your description "A feed of a present" would get more deserved attention

</comment><comment><USER60> One minute in and I saw a video that appeared to show an older guy secretly recording a girl playing hopscotch.

The concept is great. It's real, and that's amazing, but it's also a reminder of how terrible people can be.

</comment><comment><USER61> No matter where you look on YouTube, there always seems to be a pyramid scheme to hop onto:

[https://youtu.be/PKqKLntvLFE](https://youtu.be/PKqKLntvLFE)

I hope he was able to retire after all!

</comment><comment><USER62> I love this, what I really need is a back button or history though, what if i see something I love and then it switches before I think to hit the freeze button? It is gone forever? (As far as I'm concerned)

<comment><USER63> The site logs each video to your browser's console in the format `Playing {0} in [object Object]`. You can rewatch by visiting [https://youtu.be/{0}](https://youtu.be/{0}).

</comment></comment><comment><USER64> I have regularly been doing these kind of searches for years and have always loved the spontaneity of the results I found.

We are far from the "SHOCKING: A WHALE EATS A BABY LIVE!!!" with the red circled preview image.

</comment><comment><USER65> Absolutely incredible. I felt like I had a bird's eye view to humanity.

</comment><comment><USER66> I think this is an amazing way of both estranging us from humankind by viewing our world from the outside as if we were aliens, and of widening our horizons by giving us access to the immediate experience of people from all walks of life, all over the planet.

My only worry is that it selects for people who don't know or care to properly name their youtube videos, e.g. after watching for ten minutes, I'm yet to see a young person from the West. Though this is probably one of the reasons why, for me, the videos are so strikingly unfamiliar.

</comment><comment><USER67> These should just be running 24/7 in a lobby of a building somewhere

</comment><comment><USER68> "Go" button is missing on Chrome and Brave, background video doesn't work on Brave. Cool website though, I could watch this for hours.

<comment><USER69> I don't see any buttons on FF 68 either. I was able to just click around for the first one.. can't find one to get videos playing.

</comment></comment><comment><USER70> My anecdotal observations are that the lonely, unloved videos typically consist of home movies, personal vacation videos, children's sporting events, and group exercise. Except for the exercise, it seems like the kind of stuff you'd find on any family's VHS tapes from the 80s and 90s.

Can anyone explain the prevalence of group exercise videos? Has anyone had radically different experiences?

</comment><comment><USER67> Are these curated? Or is it truly just new things?

</comment><comment><USER71> This kid is awesome

[https://youtu.be/kJ1owcGo-QA](https://youtu.be/kJ1owcGo-QA)

<comment><USER72> This kid is awesome

[https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VvKbUPMkbqM](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VvKbUPMkbqM)

</comment></comment><comment><USER73> I like the concept and it looks good. Some criticism: After pausing a video, it still goes to the next video after a couple of seconds. I'm also seeing way too many XHR requests on a paused video. It's like the next video is already playing but invisible? The network tab just looks way too messy.

</comment><comment><USER74> It's pretty cool that the first video that I got was on my language and one of the more classic songs about the struggle against oppression here.

[https://www.youtube.com/watch?t&v=brNbYfwMEjM](https://www.youtube.com/watch?t&v=brNbYfwMEjM)

</comment><comment><USER75> Wish this had a better UI on mobile

</comment><comment><USER76> FYI. When you share the link on Facebook no description or picture is added. Cool site

</comment><comment><USER77> I recall being told at one time that the great majority of youtube uploads are never watched even by the person who uploaded them. This fact figures prominently into how they decide to transcode, store, and distribute uploads.

<comment><USER45> Not really being serious: Are we inadvertent being hooked into an attempted YouTube DoS by resource exhaustion?

It works go something like: System transcodes when demand is applied; normally demand misses 90% of videos; demand surely focuses only on unprocessed videos; 'attack' diverts resources to processing videos that would otherwise have never required processing.

</comment></comment><comment><USER78> Is this a joke? Whenever I press the button it skips to the next video instead of preventing it from switching. So the ones I want to see are immediately stopped. It's quite frustrating but I guess that's the point?

<comment><USER79> I can see how this could be confusing. If you click it once, on a fresh log in, it will stop switching. When you press it again it will resume switching.

</comment></comment><comment><USER80> If you like this, you might find this interesting as well: [https://www.reddit.com/r/DeepIntoYouTube/](https://www.reddit.com/r/DeepIntoYouTube/)

</comment><comment><USER3> This shows how much YouTube could benefit from a "I'm feeling lucky" button. No algorithms (except for flagging inappropriate content), no filter bubbles, just a random video uploaded from another human.

</comment><comment><USER81> Wow, incredible. I feel like an alien watching this strange planet called earth.

</comment><comment><USER82> I'm flabbergasted. Such precious, rich, true and amazing moments of life.

</comment><comment><USER83> I really love the way it connects people, but...

Doesn't anyone question that youtube is basically run by an ad service? If you really want to connect to people then why does "company x" wants to know and keep tabs?

Why is there a thumbs up or down in the first place? Or even, why doesn't the number of views matter to you in this case. "company x" had a great search engine but now it seems crippled by the fact you can't say: "exclude the top x percent popular results"

I'm writing this because when I searched for something obscure, I go to page 8 of the "company x" results and got slapped multiple times with "suspicious behaviour" notifications and had to wait or solve a captcha.

<comment><USER84> Agreed. The especially weird thing for me is that when I suggest ads are perhaps not great, I get energetic replies along the lines of "why do you hate newspapers/TV/video and want to kill them!1!"

I think of the ad ecosystem as like a tree that has grown so tall and dense that little can grow beneath it. If that tree weren't there I don't think we'd have nothing. I think we'd have a richer ecosystem with many more things growing.

</comment></comment><comment><USER85> What is filter criteria except zero views? I had think finding gems in this set would be much harder but this site is somehow popping up lot more good than junk.

</comment><comment><USER86> There is also a similar website called [http://www.petittube.com/](http://www.petittube.com/)

<comment><USER87> There's also [http://www.youhole.tv/](http://www.youhole.tv/) which is pretty great

</comment></comment><comment><USER88> This is interesting and also worrying. The first video it found for me featured a medical patient giving away their full name and date of birth.

<comment><USER89> This can be found on many social media profiles. What's the concern?

<comment><USER57> Those aren't usually connected to the person's medical problems.

That said, the "patient" may not be one; lots of trainee doctors and nurses use YouTube to show their abilities, using mock patients.

</comment></comment></comment><comment><USER90> [https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cxkpDHfgvpY](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cxkpDHfgvpY)

Well well

<comment><USER91> I got that one too.

</comment></comment><comment><USER92> Sorry to hijack, but I am trying to find any contact information for the creator. Can anyone help me with that? It's very positive.

<comment><USER38> Generally speaking, asking for help doxxing someone isn't considered kosher.

<comment><USER92> Ok. Well Id love to chat with him about @bksenior on any social platform. Thanks for the help. His idea is great.

<comment><USER93> Are you asking for information about the creator of astronaut.io or the lady reading her poem?

<comment><USER92> Creator of astronaut.io

<comment><USER94> The creators' Twitter:

      - https://twitter.com/@wongavision
      - https://twitter.com/@astrojams1

Originally posted here: [https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=13413225](https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=13413225)

</comment></comment></comment></comment></comment></comment><comment><USER62> What a great experience, I really like it withe the sound off, it becomes very dreamlike and I feel even more like an astronaut.

</comment><comment><USER95> I'm a little disturbed that it appears to have started playing immediately, but with the text and go button as an overlay.

</comment><comment><USER96> [https://youtu.be/OFXAK8WcJ1A](https://youtu.be/OFXAK8WcJ1A)

</comment><comment><USER97> This is such a brilliant idea. Wish YouTube made something like this to improve discovery. I am already a fan.

</comment><comment><USER98> How does someone create something like this? Is there a reverse sort by view count or something like that?

</comment><comment><USER99> Pretty nice concept ! I don't get the "astronaut" part, though. What am I missing ?

<comment><USER100> Maybe because you're looking from the outside in, into regular people's lives?

Or maybe because an astronaut explores the space between the stars, and watching unwatched videos is exploring the space between YouTube "stars".

</comment></comment><comment> a-afterglow Great, my first video was a group of cosplayers dancing to music from "THE IDOLM@STER".

<comment> B-Con Brings back memories of the Hare Hare Yukai craze.

</comment></comment><comment><USER92> I'm trying to find any contact information of the creator, can anyone help me with this?

<comment><USER101> Here's the GitHub repo for the site: [https://github.com/wonga00/astronaut](https://github.com/wonga00/astronaut) \- I'm sure you can go from there. :)

</comment></comment><comment><USER102> Awesome concept, great execution. Great thing to stumble on at the beginning of the day!

</comment><comment><USER103> Well, I didn't expect to find something like this today! Pretty damn cool.

</comment><comment><USER104> this made me lol.. still laughing at this tho [https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JhpzNDwm6H4](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JhpzNDwm6H4)

</comment><comment><USER105> This was surprisingly satisfying to watch. Thanks for doing this

</comment><comment><USER106> This is super cool! I spent like 30 minutes whatching it

</comment><comment><USER107> Very nice, reminds me of the old internet. :-D

</comment><comment><USER108> It needs an "upvote" or "downvote" button so people can filter out the better videos that others should watch.

<comment><USER7> But... That's literally the rest of YouTube, no?

The entire value here, for me at least, is a) randomness an b) fact they haven't been watched before.

There's so much curatrd stuff (which is great), and all tech companies are trying so hard to send me what they think I'll like / agree with, it's refreshing to step out of that box.

Edit: apologies if, perchance, I missed some subtle sarcasm btw... You never know on them interwebs

</comment></comment><comment><USER109> so amazing, thanks!, is there something similar about instagram stories ?

</comment><comment><USER110> Try pressing the spacebar.

<comment><USER110> This functionality is broken in Safari for me. Works in Chrome.

</comment></comment><comment><USER111> Great use of search

</comment><comment><USER112> Thank you for this.

</comment><comment><USER113> This is fantastic.

</comment><comment><USER114> This is awesome.

</comment><comment><USER115> Github this!

<comment><USER116> [https://github.com/wonga00/astronaut](https://github.com/wonga00/astronaut)

</comment></comment><comment><USER117> STOP HIDING THE VIDEO CONTROLS

<comment><USER118> I actually like that feature. It forces you to see the video as the author intended, kind of like watching live TV.

<comment><USER117> Yes, but I can't adjust the audio level.

</comment></comment></comment><comment><USER119> I recently put forward the idea there's enough music in the world already[1] because millions of songs on Spotify have never been heard[2]. And of those millions of unheard songs, many are probably not by musicians but by "poseurs" who don't care about the craft of songwriting.

Perhaps we need something like Astronaut for Spotify?

[1] [https://write.as/poseur-to-composer/poseur-approach-to- makin...](https://write.as/poseur-to-composer/poseur-approach-to-making-music)

[2] [https://tonedeaf.thebrag.com/spotify-turns-5-reveals- theres-...](https://tonedeaf.thebrag.com/spotify-turns-5-reveals-theres- millions-of-songs-nobodys-listened-to/)

</comment><comment><USER120> <[Astronaut.to]> The nighttime, sniffling, sneezing, aching, coughing, stuffy- head, fever, so you can rest medicine.</comment>


Foobity - A Company, A Facebook App - <AUTHOR> http://primevector.wordpress.com/2007/06/14/foobity-a-company-a-facebook-app/ <comment><USER2> "Foobity" just sounds.. Well.. Naughty.

<comment><USER3> I agree with you, but it would be interesting to find out more about the project...

<comment><AUTHOR> Hrm...Foobity does sound kind of naughty. I'm agreeing and I'm one of the founders, hah! What would you like to know about the project (he said while avoiding developing it)?</comment></comment></comment>


Twilio Demonstrates Why Courts Should Review Every National Security Letter - <AUTHOR> https://www.eff.org/deeplinks/2018/02/twilio-demonstrates-why-courts-should-review-every-national-security-letter <comment><USER2> Discussion of Twilio's original article: [https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=16321760](https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=16321760)</comment>


GraphQL - Data Fetching for React Applications [video] - <AUTHOR> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9sc8Pyc51uU

<comment><USER2> The title is burying the lede.

Facebook is talking here about "Relay", a framework around React that handles pulling together all the data needs for a deeply nested component tree, from fetching, to optimistic updates, through error handling and pagination.

</comment><comment><USER3> If they can pull off what they're saying they can, this will be mind blowing. Pretty interested in seeing what the server code for this looks like.</comment>


NSA data volumes in terms of STASI filing cabinets - <AUTHOR> http://translate.google.com/translate?hl=en&sl=de&tl=en&u=http%3A%2F%2Fapps.opendatacity.de%2Fstasi-vs-nsa%2F

<comment><USER2> More direct link:

[http://translate.google.com/translate?hl=en&sl=de&tl=en&u=ht...](http://translate.google.com/translate?hl=en&sl=de&tl=en&u=http%3A%2F%2Fapps.opendatacity.de%2Fstasi- vs-nsa%2F)

</comment><comment><USER3> Too bad they used the reported 5 zettabytes number which is probably the amount of data _processed_ , not stored.

<comment><USER4> Exactly, the storage capacity must be lower. If the data center uses 65 MW and a single hard disk with all overheads 5W, there can be at most 13 million of hard disks there resulting in the maximum capacity of the order of exabyte, not zettabyte, or for the given example, at least 100 times less.

That gives "only" an order of (17e4/0.019) ~ 10 million times bigger area for the file cabinets than the Stasi files, or the square 3000 times bigger in every direction compared to the Stasi one.

<comment><USER5> While I agree that they likely store much less data than five zettabytes, your assumption that all their storage is on constantly spinning hard disks seems flawed.

(Tape libraries and various other offline/nearline storage solutions would be viable for most of their data)

<comment><USER4> Which other solutions do you suggest? Interestingly, tape libraries have also capacity limitations.

</comment></comment></comment></comment><comment><USER6> The only upside is a great title:

"Against the NSA, the Stasi data is a flying shit"

<comment><USER7> Looking at the German, I think the intended translation is "fly shit" or "shit of a fly".

<comment><AUTHOR> yes, a "Fliegenschiss" is "fly shit" ... another nice word google doesn't now how to translate is "Sammelwut"

it's like a collecting data spree</comment></comment></comment>


AMD Hawaii chip to out perform Nvidia Titan, due out September - <AUTHOR> http://semiaccurate.com/2013/08/07/amd-to-launch-hawaii-in-hawaii/

<comment><USER2> Go where the puck is going, not where it was, AMD!

<comment><USER3> It takes 2-3 years to design one of these chips.</comment></comment>


Virtual Box 5.1 - <AUTHOR> https://www.virtualbox.org/wiki/Changelog <comment><USER2> With Oracle's rocky reputation around open source, I'm surprised that VirutalBox is still going strong and under active development. There doesn't seem to be any kind of commercial "enterprise version" that they license for big bucks... what is their incentive for keeping this thing going?

<comment><USER3> It's also made even uglier by the fact that VMware has discontinued Fusion, and Parallels (at least in the Vagrant, etc, ecosystem) has always been a second class citizen).

Not to mention that Parallels licensing is a pain. I understand license key activation as at times a necessary evil but in cases where you are developing a product for use primarily by developers who may frequently re-install their computer, could you at least do some form of trivial hardware checksumming? I had to call support because I'd exceeded five activations of my license. They reset it, after asking why. Several months later, same situation - this time they refused to reset the activation counter. Once loyal customer, no longer, when you refuse to activate software for the purchaser.

Thankfully, Docker et al seem to be making some good strides at making use of Hyve based virtualization in the OS X realm. I'm excited to see how that progresses.

<comment><USER4> From where do you get vmware fusion was discontinued?

<comment><USER5> At least the people behind it is gone. I was discussed in HN at the time: [https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=10978672](https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=10978672)

<comment><USER6> > the people behind it is gone

Development switched to different people/teams but that doesn't mean it's not under active development. Meet the new team: [http://blogs.vmware.com/workstation/2016/07/meet-the- team.ht...](http://blogs.vmware.com/workstation/2016/07/meet-the-team.html)

<comment><USER5> Great, I'm glad Fusion is alive.

</comment></comment></comment></comment></comment></comment><comment><USER7> If you're using Vagrant, stick to 5.0.24 until this issue is closed: [https://github.com/mitchellh/vagrant/issues/7411](https://github.com/mitchellh/vagrant/issues/7411)

<comment><USER8> Does this have to do with just the version number? Or something more?

<comment><USER9> There's an open PR to add 5.1 support, and it seems to just be a bit-for-bit identical copy of the 5.0 code which Vagrant inexplicably requires a separate driver for: [https://github.com/mitchellh/vagrant/pull/7574](https://github.com/mitchellh/vagrant/pull/7574)

All the heavy-duty OOP-first power of Ruby at their fingertips, and people still just copy-and-paste massive files to change a version string...

<comment><USER10> I only looked very briefly, but yes in this case 5.1 driver hasn't made any changes other than the version. But doing a quick vimdiff with a few of the other drivers show that the files have seen some substantial changes over time, and in some cases the small differences between two versions of a driver are to work around bugs, whether new or newly identified.

</comment></comment></comment></comment><comment><USER11> There's some negativity around this product on this thread, but honestly I'm really glad Virtual Box is around and under active development.

I have both an active linux and os x env for dev and I use virtual box to manage and switch between. It's been super useful, very reliable, fast enough, and, btw, it's free.

<comment><USER12> Do you just have a vanilla OSX VM installation or do you optimize it in some way? For me OSX is very slow on vbox on a very decently spec'ed VM. Far from my experience with Windows guests.

<comment><USER11> My OS X install is native; my linux is vbox. So OS X is the host.

</comment></comment></comment><comment><USER13> I'm not sure why, but my Ubuntu image with unity always thinks it should run at 10fps. I had to hard set the frame rate in compizConfig at 60 fps to get it to run smoothly.

Putting it here because it took me quite a while to figure out why it was 3D accelerated but still so slow.

<comment><USER14> Any VM I provision seems to be setup by default with 1mb of video memory and 3D Acceleration off. The option to enable 2D Acceleration is greyed out.

The funny thing is that VB complains about this configuration whenever you load the console.

Have you tried increasing the video memory for the VM or enabling acceleration?

</comment></comment><comment><USER15> Anyone tested to see if the network and disk IO is actually any faster than before? We found it _very_ slow in the past compared to VMWare Fusion on OSX.

</comment><comment><USER16> "... better support for Python 3". Why does VB need to better support a specific executable, namely python 3? Anyone have more technical details on this?

<comment><USER17> VirtualBox offers a Python API (among others): [http://www.virtualbox.org/manual/ch11.html](http://www.virtualbox.org/manual/ch11.html).

<comment><USER16> OK, Python for using their VM's API. Yes, that rings a bell. However, from the notes it seemed like something they modified in the VM to better support python with the guest OS ... did not make sense until. Thanks!

</comment></comment></comment><comment><USER18> Has anyone done performance tests with different versions of VirtualBox? I often see entries in the changelog relating to "significantly improved performance".

<comment><USER19> I did a test for VMWare player verses Virtualbox and its no competition, VMWare is hands down a lot faster especially on anything GUI. I like what Virtualbox gives us but the performance is a problem.

<comment><USER20> I noticed the same thing. VMWare (at least in my experience) runs a GUI in Unity mode at pretty much the same speed as native for xubuntu guests. I/O performance over shared folders is really good in VMWare too.

The only problem is VMWare has abandoned Linux guests in Unity mode for newer releases of VMWare, which likely means you'll be stuck on 7.x and running older guest versions until the end of time.

For me, VirtualBox's deal breakers are:

\- VBox doesn't support dual monitors in seamless mode while VMWare does.

\- VBox is not capable of running another 64bit OS inside of itself through virtualization, so using Vagrant inside of VBox is not happening. VMWare does not have this limitation.

<comment><USER21> Wasn't 64 in 64 a config issue? Enable VT-X?

<comment><USER22> No. [https://www.virtualbox.org/ticket/4032](https://www.virtualbox.org/ticket/4032)

<comment><USER20> This 7 year old comment disturbs me: "A lot of work for questionable usefulness. Definitely very low on our priority list.".

This looks like a clear case where the people developing the product don't actually use it in real life. As a developer and ops person I would say this is very likely the highest priority thing right now because it makes their product unusable for anyone who needs to spin up a VM within their Linux based dev VM.

</comment></comment></comment></comment></comment></comment><comment><USER23> I don't see any security-related fixes. Is VBox that solid or am I missing something? I remember also looking at previous versions and not finding much...

<comment><USER24> "VMM: many more fixes", "GUI: various bugfixes and internal cleanup", "Audio: various bugfixes and infrastructure improvements" \- who know what that means. If nobody disclosed it externally as a vulnerability, they could just call things "bugfixes".

But it's not like they don't get any security issues at all: [https://cve.mitre.org/cgi- bin/cvekey.cgi?keyword=virtualbox](https://cve.mitre.org/cgi- bin/cvekey.cgi?keyword=virtualbox)

</comment></comment><comment><USER21> [https://www.virtualbox.org/wiki/Changelog](https://www.virtualbox.org/wiki/Changelog)

</comment><comment><USER25> My understanding is that on Windows, VirtualBox still can't run along Docker For Windows, because DFW needs Hyper-V and VBox is incompatible. Is this still the case? I don't ask much of my VMs, but desktop Ubuntu guests under Hyper-V are very clunky.

<comment><USER26> IIRC that is not something that VirtualBox can fix; I read somewhere that Hyper-V requires exclusive use of the virtualisation features of the hardware.

Note that this only applies to 64-bit virtualisation, you can still run Hyper-V and 32-bit VirtualBox virtual machines simultaneously.

</comment></comment><comment><USER27> Are any modern alternatives to VMWare player and Oracle VirtualBox for running a Linux guest OS (with GUI) on a Windows desktop host?

<comment><USER28> Maybe qemu?</comment></comment>


Seriously, Juice Is Not Healthy - <AUTHOR> https://www.nytimes.com/2018/07/07/opinion/sunday/juice-is-not-healthy-sugar.html <comment><USER2> I love the strange looks we get when we tell extended family that our 1.5y old and 4y old kids don't drink juice. I had this exact conversation with a cousin of mine last week. She checked in with me before giving my child juice. When I told her we didn't give our kids juice this is how the conversation went:

Q: "They don't drink juice? What do they drink?"

A: "Water."

Q: "Just water?"

A: "Yep. If you want to get fancy they also drink soda water or water with lemon."

She looked judgy and baffled at how hard-ass my wife and I were about juice. But juice is straight calories in the form of sugar. There's no fibre to slow absorption like you'd get with eating the whole fruit. It's not much better, calorically speaking, than soda.

And in addition to being unhealthy, having young kids wired on sugar also makes our life harder.

<comment><USER3> > wired on sugar

That's not a thing.

[http://theincidentaleconomist.com/wordpress/sugar-and- candy-...](http://theincidentaleconomist.com/wordpress/sugar-and-candy-do-not- make-kids-hyper/)

(From one of the co-authors of this article)

<comment><USER4> Have kids and give them sugar. It absolutely is a verifiable thing. You get ~2-3 hours of hyperactivity/tunnelvision followed by the crying crash to nap combo. Every parent knows this. It's real and repeatable.

<comment><USER5> Confirmation bias, meet placebo control group.

From the article:

> In my favorite of these studies, children were divided into two groups. All > of them were given a sugar-free beverage to drink. But half the parents were > told that their child had just had a drink with sugar. Then, all of the > parents were told to grade their children's behavior. Not surprisingly, the > parents of children who thought their children had drunk a ton of sugar > rated their children as significantly more hyperactive. This myth is > entirely in parents' heads. We see it because we believe it.

</comment></comment></comment></comment><comment><USER6> Next, let's dispel the notion that fat is bad for you. It's the strangest thing to me to see parents feeding their kids "skim milk", which is really just milk flavored water, because whole milk "has fat" and therefore must make their children fat.

I only drank whole milk as a kid. A glass with every meal. My parents never bought any juice or soda and me and all of my siblings grew up healthy and strong with no cavities or health issues.

It makes me cringe seeing overweight children glugging down sodas, but it makes me equally sad seeing horribly skinny children who's bones could be broken by the wind.

<comment><USER7> You're rolling too many things into one here. The concept that fat makes people fat as a direct consequence is false, but only if the calories gained from that fat are reduced elsewhere. Fat contains very dense calories, so consuming fat can lead to too many calories which leads to getting fat. That is not to say that a diet should be devoid of fat and replaced with sugar, just that the overall diet needs to be balanced with both, and not exceed the number of calories required. Any amount of "glugging down sodas" is certainly a problem, no matter if you're also getting fat in your diet elsewhere.

On to the milk thing... Your complaint about skim milk presupposes that the whole variety is actually meant to be consumed by humans. By "meant" I assume that evolution has formulated the milk of various mamamals to the offspring of their own respective species. So for that definition of "meant", how can one say that milk formulated for bovine offspring is meant for human consumption as is? Would not the ratios of fat, sugars, vitamins, etc. be out of balance with what a human needs? Right away, the widespread problem of lactose intolerance in humans, even many babies, upholds this view even a little. So why shouldn't the formulation of cow's milk as consumed by humans be altered outside of its natural state?

<comment><USER8> Milk is homogenized so I am not sure how close 3.5% is to ideal. But I would say that humans are probably pretty well adapted to drinking their milk because they've been doing it for millennia.

The thing about fat is that it can increase feelings of satiety.

<comment><USER7> > But I would say that humans are probably pretty well adapted to drinking > their milk because they've been doing it for millennia.

Only humans of Northern European descent. Everyone else is lactose intolerant after they are weaned.

<comment><USER9> That's still one in three humans.

</comment></comment></comment></comment></comment><comment><USER10> For breakfast, my wife and I squeeze a single grapefruit and single orange (the old fashioned, manual and unfiltered way, keeping any "bits") and split and drink that. It's not much to look at - a little over half a short glass each. Basically we have the juice and some of the fibre from a single piece of fruit each.

If you think about how much fruit it takes to create a 600ml bottle of juice its crazy. If you couldn't stomach eating half a dozen oranges in a sitting, why would you think that drinking that much juice at a time (sometimes multiple times a day) would be good for you?

<comment><USER11> Serious question: Why not eat the grapefruit and/or orange? That seems like less work, more food, and healthier (and personally I think it tastes better, but YMMV).

<comment><USER10> Fair question. I agree that the fruit itself tastes nicer. I could say I want to avoid having too much fibre (as I get plenty from other sources), but in reality I just find peeling oranges a PITA and contrary to your claim I find it quicker to cut in half and twist each half a few times on a juicer (plus I can just knock back the output).

<comment><USER11> > I just find peeling oranges a PITA

You know, I've almost forgotten about this problem. Buy clementines; they are a kind of orange which happen to be easy to peel. For more ease, at the store you can feel which ones have looser skin; it's no exaggeration that they are easier to peel than plastic wrappers off of processed food. They don't even make a mess - no dripping, no sticky fingers, etc. I can't recommend them enough - one of the wonders of nature, or of selective breeding.

<comment><USER12> No we only need a proper way to eat grapefruits. Love the fruit, hate the mess that is preparing/eating them.

</comment></comment></comment></comment></comment><comment><USER3> Here's some context on the authors:

[https://twitter.com/aaronecarroll/status/1015682328411230208](https://twitter.com/aaronecarroll/status/1015682328411230208)

<comment><USER13> Does anyone else have about a 40% success rate on clicking Twitter links? Maybe I'm rate-limited because I don't have an account, but the level of reliability I see clicking a few links a day isn't exactly compelling.

<comment><USER14> What do you mean by "success rate on clicking Twitter links"?

<comment><USER15> Links to twitter often show an error message instead of the tweet.

</comment></comment></comment></comment><comment><USER16> Seems like a drastic way to say like that juice is not as healthy as eating fruit, and is not a substitute for solid fruit. Also that it has a lot of sugar.

When you see this headline, you'd think they might be including fresh squeeze juice from a variety of fruits and vegetables. They seem to only be talking about things like Coca-Cola's Minute Maid and Walmart apple juice that the average American feeds their children. I thought they might be talking about juice bars. It makes me wonder, have the authors ever heard about the gigantic national trend of drinking fresh juice? Because they don't seem to be referring to it at all.

I don't know why they don't suggest that you could give your kids less sugary juice, fresh squeeze juice, orange juice from things other than oranges, grapes or apples. One thing they don't seem to realize is that many parents give their kids HFCS soda pop. I could think of many parents who believe the only reason to not give their children mountain dew is the caffeine. It is a little healthier to give them juice. Especially the 100% fruit juice they're condemning, which is a better grade even than most juice on the shelves.

I would agree that the pasteurized, filtered, old sugary juices sold in plastic bottles in grocery stores are not very healthy. But they contain far fewer enzymes and vitamins and fiber than fresh squeezed juice. Maybe they should recommend that parents buy a juicer, and give their kids diluted juice that also includes vegetables in addition to sweet fruit.

Personally, I have been on a very restricted diet, mainly liquids all year. I don't have been drinking fresh squeezed juice to solve my caloric deficit, but don't binge on it or buy store juice because it's clear to me that the main component is sugar and I don't want to tempt type 2 diabetes. I'd much rather eat the whole fruits and vegetables if I could, but in the meantime, it's hard to believe that the juice of 5 apples, a bunch of chard, a beet, 2 carrots, a stick of ginger and some celery would harm me or children.

<comment><USER17> > it's hard to believe that the juice of 5 apples, a bunch of chard, a beet, 2 > carrots, a stick of ginger and some celery would harm me or children.

Is this what each person gets or what you share with your children? That juice alone would contain around 100g of sugar, which regardless of where it comes from would be a lot for a single person, especially considering it won't be their only source of sugar in a day.

The problem with juices is that they're very easy to consume compared to their whole food counterpart and keep you full for a shorter time. I'm not sure exactly what definition you're using for fresh squeezed juice, but if you're not using the whole fruit then you're likely losing a lot of the fiber that makes whole fruit healthier

<comment><USER16> My definition of fresh squeezed juice is putting whole fruit into a juicer.

As far as 100g of sugar, yes, and that hypothetical stack of produce which is more than one person, especially a kid, would consume in a serving. And how much is in one can of Coke, which I've seen people give their children? 35 grams? In a far less healthy form, with anti-nutrients and no vitamins. This was the point of half my comment.

No, I would not feed that entire amount to a child at once. Yes, I would feel comfortable consuming it.

If it's not their entire source of sugar all day - why not? Sure, some people feed their kids eat mcdonald's ice cream while the doctors here demonize fruit. I'd think they could at least once mentioned that the 100% whole fruit juice that they are slandering is healthier than the sort of product some parents consider appropriate: [http://texas- wholesale.com/images/products/80007%20-4236-BUG...](http://texas- wholesale.com/images/products/80007%20-4236-BUG-JUICE-LEMON-LIME-24ct.jpg)

"The problem with juices is that they're very easy to consume compared to their whole food counterpart and keep you full for a shorter time. I'm not sure exactly what definition you're using for fresh squeezed juice, but if you're not using the whole fruit then you're likely losing a lot of the fiber that makes whole fruit healthier"

You just summed up this entire article, like I did. Yes, juice is high in sugar, and it's healthier to eat whole fruit because of the fiber.

I have a severe swallowing disorder btw, so I can't consume whole fruit at all.

Most people are there kids would never, ever sit down and eat a raw beet, two carrots, five apples, and so forth. Nutritionally, even without the fiber, the vitamins and enzymes of eating fresh raw fruits and vegetables are worth it, despite the sugar, especially for people who eat the typical awful American diet of fast and frozen food. American dietary analysis often includes a myopic focus on one or two macro nutrients, and this is a great example.

<comment><USER18> Fresh squeezed won't be appreciably healthier (on the sugar dimension). What makes juice unhealthy compared to intact fruits and vegetables is the mechanical separation of sugar from the fiber water matrix.

This makes the sugar all available instantly.

When you eat the whole carrot, your digestive system has to tear away the layers of the matrix one at a time to get the sugar out. When you juice you remove the matrix mechanically.

<comment><USER16> Yes, I'm aware of that. However, it's important to compare it to products that are simply water with partially synthetic corn syrup, which millions of children consume regularly every single day. We are talking about drinks, after all, and it seems somewhat absurd to be suggesting that anyone eat solid fruit when they want to have a drink.

<comment><USER18> I don't think anyone is saying "eat fruit when you want a drink". The point is that while fruit is relatively healthy fruit juice is relatively unhealthy, on par with sugar sweetened sodas.

Similar to how beets are relatively healthy and pure sugar (derived from beets) is relatively unhealthy.

<comment><USER16> I disagree for a variety of reasons. Fresh juice made from actual fruit or preferably vegetables contains vitamins, enzymes, healthier forms of sugar and other nutrients which make up for the presence of sugar, in my opinion. As for the filtered, pasteurized, sugar laden, pesticide tainted brew in plastic bottles that 95% of people and grocery stores consider 'juice', I agree that nobody should ever consume that, under any circumstances. I'm sure that is what these doctors are thinking of since they don't seem to mention or be aware of actual juicing.

I'm not sure at all what the alternative proposed for a drink is - water? tea? with no sweetener? I'm still confident that carrot, beet, tomato, whatever juice (diluted... like people normally do) is a better choice than just about anything with sweetener in it.

</comment></comment></comment></comment></comment></comment></comment><comment><USER19> Sugar is bad.

Juice has a lot of sugar.

<comment><USER20> Calories are bad.

Sugar is very calorie dense.

[I'm on the lookout for direct sugar-specifically-is-bad studies so I hope to get spammed with some]

<comment><USER21> That's a wrong argument. Sugar is three times less calorie dense than fat. (that's not an argument for sugar or against fat, just a fact).

</comment></comment></comment><comment><USER22> I had that discussion several times. Last time I was told that apple juice is less healthy than apples because of the fibres (missing in the juice).

After I have done some "research" on my own I found out that 100g Apple only contains 1g of fiber, so I guess the difference can't be that huge.

In animal testing it was found that mice who ate a diet that included apples had up to 50 percent less tumors. Now the exact same effect was achieved by giving them apple juice, with non-filtered apple juice being more effective, supposedly due to a higher concentration of Procyanidins.

<comment><USER18> Closer to 2.5g-3g Fiber.

The major effect isn't how much fiber, but that the sugar is trapped in a matrix of fiber and water. Your digestive system has to tear away the outer layers to get to the sugar, this slows the absorption of the sugar and reduces the glycemic index.

In juice the matrix has been mechanically separated so the glycemic effect is almost exactly the same as eating ten spoonfuls of white sugar.

</comment></comment><comment><USER22> What about the difference between Fructose, Sucrose and Glucose? Fruit usually has a quite high ratio of Fructose as far as I know. Does it matter? It doesn't even get mentioned in the article.

</comment><comment><USER23> It seems like this article assumes fruit juice.

For breakfast I make juice with kale (a bunch), a cucumber, carrots, and an apple. It's a lot healthier than most other American breakfasts.

<comment><USER24> How much sugar is in it?

</comment></comment><comment><USER25> Why not to eat just fruits? Why a kind of juice is necessary?

<comment><USER26> It seems people are trained to believe that food always needs some kind of processing. I often eat raw bell peppers and tomato pieces at work and judging from the comments people seem to never even have thought of that as possibility.

Right now the best are bottled teas like "Honest Tea" for $3 a pop at lunch. You can get something much better by buying some nice tea and brewing it yourself. And it probably costs only 5 cents instead of $3.

<comment><USER20> For me it's raw broccoli. Most people seem to think it's supposed to be bitter raw and I am still rather confused about that since broccoli is not bitter at all to me.

</comment></comment></comment><comment><USER27> Ok, what if you carbonate juice, add ginger, and call it Kombucha? Is it healthy now?

<comment><USER28> Kombucha usually has way less sugar though. I get the brands that have 4-6grams of sugar per serving.

<comment><USER29> is it replaced in part by alcohol though?

<comment><USER30> If you've ever tried kombucha, it's pretty obvious the ethanol has been metabolized to acetic acid.

</comment></comment></comment></comment><comment><USER31> I'm continually amazed when people make obviously horrible assumptions:

\- "Weed is good because it's 'natural'" "Yeah, but so are ricin, hemlock and nightshade."

\- "Juice is made from fruit, fruit is good, therefore juice must be good." "Although it's not HFCS, juice has more carbs than soda."

<comment><USER32> I'm also disgusted by the "it's natural" platitude some persons spout.

But that doesn't mean it's a good idea to drink the latest clinically unproven science experiment like, for example, Coke Zero. Nobody has a clue what those small molecules actually do besides the obvious.</comment></comment>


Simple MVC PHP Framework - <AUTHOR> http://blog.maxindelicato.com/2008/11/simple-mvc-php-framework.html This article details the specifics of a simple PHP based web application framework. There are many different architectural patterns that one can use to develop a web application framework, and for this framework I've chosen the Model-View-Controller (MVC) pattern. <comment><USER2> Despite it using PDO, too bad this seems to encourage not using prepared queries.

<comment><AUTHOR> The data access code was intended to display as simply as possible how the Model should be architected in regards to encapsulation. Switching out the data access code itself with something more robust, while still maintaining the overall Model architecture is in fact encouraged. I should have made that more clear, thanks for the feedback.

<comment><USER2> I really think that any documentation that has to do with interacting with a database via SQL needs to not even hint at the fact that you should, or even can, build queries as strings. The security in apps have truly suffered because of PHP's documentation in this regard.</comment></comment></comment>


We Did It! - <AUTHOR> https://mayday.us/2014/07/04/WeDidIt/

<comment><USER2> Lessig's last e-mail: [http://pastebin.com/AUdh8Dav](http://pastebin.com/AUdh8Dav)

</comment><comment> matias-a Not from the US, but I wanted to congratulate everyone involved in this historic event. I think it is inspiring, apart from being inherently relevant worldwide.

</comment><comment><USER3> I like the irony of raising money to "reduce the influence of money in politics".

At the same time, well done. $5 Billion dollars raised is an incredible feat. I'm not American, but hopefully if they are successful in actually implementing the changes they propose, other countries will follow suit.

My concern is that if corporate $$ buys less influence in Washington, it might enable them to buy more influence in other places (eg. Canada), and that corporate influence could have a negative effect not only on Canada itself, but retaliatory effects on the US. Think if the Oil industry doesn't get it's way in the US, they start influencing Canadian policy to not ship Canadian oil (or less of it) to the US, resulting in a cost spike for the states. Similar things could happen with other natural resources.

But well done for Lawrence Lessig and the rest of the MayDay gang. As he states, this is just the beginning of a very challenging and amazing initiative.

<comment><USER4> I was really surprised for a second. 5 billion raised is a huge sum which would mean either mass contributions from extremely wealthy individuals or that pretty much everybody is US chipped in. 5 million though is less than 1% of what was spent on presidential elections alone by each side (Obama side spent 779M, Romney side 704M [1]). This is not counting what is being spent in congressional, state, local, etc. elections and what is being spent on one- issue campaigns. For example, just prop 8 campaign in California took 70M [2].

I am not sure what exactly these guys plan to do (my conviction is any law compatible with the First Amendment can not prevent political spending as public speech on national scale costs a lot of money and content-based regulations on such speech to exclude political speech are in direct contradiction with current understanding of First Amendment both by the courts and the public) and their descriptions are very vague ("agnostic about the specific legislation") - I don't think 5 million is going to take them too far. They might support some candidates from the left that already campaign on the issue of "big money stole our politics" (while taking big money like everybody else of course) but those guys were already for it anyway, and I don't think you can tip too many congressional elections with 5 million. We'll see I guess.

[1] [http://www.cnbc.com/id/49550998/](http://www.cnbc.com/id/49550998/) [2] [http://ballotpedia.org/California_Proposition_8,_the_%22Elim...](http://ballotpedia.org/California_Proposition_8,_the_%22Eliminates_Right_of_Same- Sex_Couples_to_Marry%22_Initiative_\(2008\))

<comment><USER5> Just to be clear: they raised $5 million, not $5 billion. (I think the original commenter mixed up the two)

<comment><USER6> Also, they are receiving matching funding for the 5 million and the original 1 million raised, for a total of $12 million.

</comment></comment></comment></comment><comment><USER7> A couple years too late. With the two Supreme Court decisions there really are no reforms that can stop Super PACs in any meaningful way.

<comment><USER4> You think if this happened earlier the Supreme Court would have different view on the First Amendment? The SC has powers to overturn any legislation, including one proposed by people supported by this campaign. Short of FDR- style tricks I don't see how you could overcome that.

<comment><USER8> "Legislation" initiated by Congress isn't limited to statutes, it can include Constitutional Amendments.

<comment><USER4> True, but the chance of passing an amendment of such a controversial topic is virtually nil, so I did not consider this as a real option. The bar for the Constitutional Amendment is very high.

<comment><USER8> A Constitutional Amendment is where the legislative effort on the issue in Congress is focussed _now_ ; if MayDay.US is successful in pushing the legislative balance _farther_ in favor of efforts to reverse the effect of Citizen's United, I hardly imagine that the effort would shift to _less_ powerful remedies than those that are already the focus.

<comment><USER4> For Constitution Amendment to pass, it's not enough to get a couple of House members. You need 38 states to sign.

<comment><USER8> > For Constitution Amendment to pass, it's not enough to get a couple of House > members.

True, but so what? First, the Constitutional Amendment _currently on the table in Congress_ has a lot more support than that (the version in the Senate has, IIRC, 43 cosponsors), and, second, a PAC aiming to _increase_ legislative support can target both Congress and state legislatures, and, _third_ , as the issue _cannot_ be addressed legislatively except by a Constitutional Amendment, since the Supreme Court has _already determined_ that legislation in this area violates the Constitution as it currently stands, so no other mechanism is meaningful.

</comment></comment></comment></comment></comment></comment></comment><comment><USER9> You did what??

<comment><USER10> The impossible, and that makes them mighty.

Edit: For those downvoting, I was just quoting the article (I realise this was perhaps not the best quote, but felt it was the one most fitting given the question).

<comment><USER9> The downvotes that you got and i got are something normal, internet trolls are everywhere, although i asked a real 100% valid question, the title of this post and the first couple of paragraphs didn't give me a background about why this is in the front page, those who downvoted me obviously thought i was trolling so they whipped out their swords and fought like real knights ... dumb motherfuckers.</comment></comment></comment>


Ask HN: What daily habits help you to stay productive? - <AUTHOR> For me it is going to the gym. What is yours? <comment><USER2> What's your gym routine? Does anyone happen to know one that you can do with just a floor mat?

Consistent productivity is really hard. Especially when it's so easy to become addicted to social media. (HN bit me.)

One hidden feature of HN: If you go into your profile, you can set a "noprocrast" value. It shuts down HN for you after "maxvisit" minutes, and won't let you return for "minaway" minutes. It's probably a good thing to enable.

<comment><AUTHOR> I usually do 20mins of spinning and then I spent 20mins to train rest of my body.

I also have resistance bands that probably have been the best £20 investment the past 2 years.

Every time I feel tired I do a couple exercises. Usually I spend around 5mins.

</comment></comment><comment><USER3> Simply doing something, anything on each of my projects. Even if it's just looking up a bunch of links and bookmarking them or measuring something.

</comment><comment><USER4> Working.</comment>


Intel Discloses Lakefield CPUs Specifications - <AUTHOR> https://www.anandtech.com/show/15841/intel-discloses-lakefield-cpus-specifications-64-execution-units-up-to-30-ghz-7-w <comment><USER2> Jeez - how is this supposed to work with OS scheduling? The charm of big.little on arm is that the instruction sets between the big and the little cores are identical. Now the OS has to pin processes based on support for different instructions? What a ridiculous nuisance. Intel really couldn't discipline themselves just this once and actually implement the same instructions, even if in microcode, for both types of cores?

Are the little cores' instructions at least a complete subset of the big cores'? Are we going to have some ridiculous situations where the little cores are completely pegged but the OS can't migrate their processes off to the big core?

Or do kernel programmers need to start chasing Intel and trap/software implement every single future AVX8192AESNISSSE instruction Intel jams into future instruction sets to provide Xeon market differentiation?

<comment><USER3> > Now the OS has to pin processes based on support for different instructions?

The only complication here would be if they have differing extensions like AVX512, but that's easily solved by the OS by just advertising the common baseline. Nothing about this looks difficult to support?

<comment><USER2> _by the OS by just advertising the common baseline._

What does that mean? Advertise to whom? The process/process loader? Does it mean that I can't compile with -mavx2 anymore? What if I do?

The extensions are the whole problem.

<comment><USER3> > What does that mean? Advertise to whom?

Runtime detection is the process querying what extensions are available, and then selectively using those. You adjust what the query returns to only return the common set.

Runtime detection has been a pretty standard thing for well over a decade now - it's how we all manage to run the same compiled binaries over the years despite variability in SSE & AVX support. You don't download different versions of Chrome/Photoshop/Gimp/Premiere/Blender/Whatever compiled for different CPU micro-architectures, do you? You might if you run Gentoo I suppose, but that'd be about it.

> Does it mean that I can't compile with -mavx2 anymore?

You already can't if you're shipping binaries to users unless you only support Skylake & newer? There's a lot of CPUs currently in use that don't support AVX2. So... you either already have this problem and you're familiar with it, or you're not doing this and it's moot.

<comment><USER2> _Runtime detection is the process querying what extensions are available, and then selectively using those. You adjust what the query returns to only return the common set._

Except that they almost always do this runtime detection _once_ , on startup, and then choose/thunk codepaths accordingly. If the OS just happens to start my avx2 process on a little core (and how is it going to know better?), that's going to turn off all of my optimizations, regardless of where the process subsequently gets migrated to.

 _You already can 't if you're shipping binaries to users unless you only support Skylake & newer? There's a lot of CPUs currently in use that don't support AVX2. So... you either already have this problem and you're familiar with it, or you're not doing this and it's moot._

Except nobody in 30 years of x86 dev expects to get a different answer from CPUID during runtime.

<comment><USER4> If _all the cores_ are configured to advertise the lowest common denominator instructions it will work.

<comment><USER2> But that defeats the purpose of supporting any extensions at all in the big core that the little core doesn't support. Software will get the lowest common denominator answer and just not use avx2. So why support it in the first place? Why not just do the right thing and have uniform extension support like big.LITTLE?

<comment><USER4> Chips aren't designed from scratch. They're assembled out of previously designed components and in this case Core cores and Atom cores were never designed to work together.

<comment><USER2> No - but that just means that Intel shouldn't do this at all. Either don't support stuff like avx and avx2 in the big core by disconnecting those blocks or support a slow microcode version of avx and avx2 in the little cores. Supporting different extensions for a CPU used with modern preempting OS's doesn't make any sense.

<comment><USER3> > Either don't support stuff like avx and avx2 in the big core by > disconnecting those blocks

That's partly what they did. From the article: "One thing we can confirm in advance – the Sunny Cove does not appear to be AVX-512 enabled."

Maybe they also fused off AVX & AVX2 support in the Sunny Cove core as well, we'll see.

And disabling AVX in cores that otherwise support it is already a common thing - see the Pentium & Celeron lineups that Intel currently sells. They don't have AVX/AVX2, even though the cores inside them definitely could offer it.

</comment></comment></comment></comment></comment></comment></comment></comment></comment></comment><comment><USER3> The ARK page is up:

[https://ark.intel.com/content/www/us/en/ark/products/202777/...](https://ark.intel.com/content/www/us/en/ark/products/202777/intel- core-i5-l16g7-processor-4m-cache-up-to-3-0ghz.html)

There's no mixed instructions as Anandtech speculated. The Sunny Cove core was cut down to match what the Tremont cores support. So no AVX at all, no weird extension mismatch, no OS headaches beyond the expected big.LITTLE headaches.

<comment><USER5> How much would the lack of AVX hurt performance apart from scientific computing? It's interesting to see Intel offering a chip with a clear focus on tablet computing, so the lack of AVX might not be so bad if the Tremont cores improve battery life significantly.

<comment><USER6> I can answer that: a lot. AVX can speed up things anywhere from modest 20% (if not very well implemented) to massive 15 or 30x when carefully used (usually things that very good fits for AVX/AVX2 instructions/use cases).

Anecdotically, I have a "netbook" that has a Goldmont+ Celeron N4000 that works very respectable for everyday business (web browsing, office suites, watching videos, etc) but crawls when trying to run scientific code. 100x slowdowns at worst, 10x slowdowns on the parts that take "nice and easy" (wrt a 7200u notebook that I usually carry around).

<comment><USER3> > I can answer that: a lot.

You mean not much. The question was _apart_ from scientific computing how much does it hurt. Per your own comment it's only worth maybe 20%, and that everyday needs work fine.

It'll show up occasionally in some things that would be relevant to a device with this SoC, like noise cancellation, but very little else. And even then you can do noise cancellation even better on a GPU (RTX Voice says hi), and this does still have a GPU and a decent one at that (~500 gflops), so it's not even that simple.

<comment><USER6> Read my second paragraph. Also Intel, despite having theoretically amazing GPUs, has for years been a lackluster player in that area. Ironical too, since they're one of the largests iGPU manufacturers in the world.

</comment></comment></comment></comment></comment><comment><USER7> I'm really curious how they envision this working, given the different instruction sets between the main core and the small cores. That seems like a bit of a nightmare to handle on the OS side of things, unless you turn things in to a two tier environment somehow, and require software (users?) to explicitly opt-in to the small cores somehow.

<comment><USER8> I would imagine the difference between the instruction sets of the two CPU types is small since the small CPU is Atom which is not too different from the main CPU.

The program machine code can be scanned when loaded to look for specific assembly opcodes to determine the required capability of the CPU to execute it on. The code with instructions not fitted for Atom will be sent to the main CPU only.

Edit: Just a thought. The OS can install an illegal-opcode exception handler. When a process is first run on the small CPU, the unsupported opcode will raise the exception. The exception handler can simply set the processor affinity of the process to the main CPU and put it to sleep. The OS will handle it like it normally would - putting the process in the run queue of the affined processor.

<comment><USER9> > The program machine code can be scanned when loaded to look for specific > assembly opcodes to determine the required capability of the CPU to execute > it on.

That works as a heuristic, but it's not perfect, since JITs and self-modifying code are a thing.

I expect the chip will raise a fault and the OS will move the process.

<comment><USER10> This is one of the things we tried when I worked (2011-12) at Intel on QuickIA [0] (dual socket, Atom on one side Xeon on the other). One of my first projects was to write a vectorized matrix multiplication that could only run on the Xeon, so we could demo the fault-to-big-core behavior.

[0] [https://www.neotextus.net/hpca12.pdf](https://www.neotextus.net/hpca12.pdf)

(I think the "3.2 QuickIA Software Support" section is interesting, if nearly a decade old by now)

</comment></comment></comment></comment><comment><USER11> With the heavy rumours of Apple moving forward with ARM chips in Macs, Intel clearly showed the plans for this chip to Apple last year, and Apple said no thank you.

<comment><USER12> IMHO, Apple's phones were considered fantastic for a few reasons, in order: brand (perceived quality, luxury status, pricing, "Apple"), software lock-in (iMessage, iCloud), and privacy (also a branding thing since they still use Google for Safari search). The hardware and camera were usually matched or exceeded by top-tier Android manufacturers. Now, Apple-designed CPUs are leaving their competitors in the dust, and provide, perhaps for the first time in a long time, hardware superiority. I don't think consumers quite understand the actual performance gap yet. But once it gets out, it's probably going to be second or third in the list for why people buy iPhones.

I'm going to switch from a Pixel to an iPhone this year. The CPU is just clearly better, and seems to actually matter for taking photos and web browsing. (The Pixel still takes like 5 seconds to post-process a photo. iPhones do it instantly.)

<comment><USER13> What are your sources for the claim that the hardware superiority actually matters in real life? Every once in a while when I'm looking to buy a phone, I like to check out videos that do real life speed tests (mainly opening apps but other tasks as well) and iPhones have never been on top. Curious to see if that has changed recently.

<comment><USER14> You're asking for sources and then citing unnamed "real life speed test" videos without any way for people to see what they're measuring or how solid their methodology was?

The main area where normal people notice this is in web usage, where Mobile Safari has handily outpaced Android browsing for many years — see e.g. [https://discuss.emberjs.com/t/why-was-ember-3x-5x-slower- on-...](https://discuss.emberjs.com/t/why-was-ember-3x-5x-slower-on- android/6577) from 2014. How much that matters depends on how much a particular website is limited by single-core JavaScript performance — well- engineered sites probably don't have a huge impact but it's quite noticeable on anything which has a bloated SPA and the web has been moving in the latter direction for years.

Gaming is the other area where this is fairly noticeable but that varies both in where the bottlenecks are (CPU vs. GPU), how prominent the effect is, and the relative quality of the ports so it's harder to do a fair comparison.

<comment><USER13> Burden of proof is on the one who makes the claim. I'm just asking for some links and I explained why I doubted the claim.

I appreciate your effort with giving more background, although I think 2014 is a bit dated with Firefox Quantumn becoming more of a thing on Android. Can't remember if the Preview has it yet or not.

</comment></comment></comment></comment></comment><comment><USER15> This has a lot of parallels to how Intel incorporated some of the best ideas from RISC processor designs in their x86 CPU's to produce a better product under intense competiton in the 90's - they're doing the same thing here with ARM processor designs ideas, like the "Big Little" ARM core designs for low power, translated to x86.

<comment><USER16> you lost me at "produce a better product". I don't think there are any parallels to that in this offering.

</comment></comment><comment><USER17> Very good tdp numbers. This sounds like an X86 version of arm big little architecture.

Amd can do lower tdp to with underclocking undervolting. But should offer something out of the box.

Happy cpu makers are lowering power consumption we have global warming. People often talk about co2 with cars but less so with computers.

<comment><AUTHOR> Just remember these are Intel Watts. They tend to be larger than ISO Watts depending on the workload the processor is running.

</comment></comment><comment><USER18> Why? I do not understand. It would make sense if the Atoms were performance per watt champions but [https://www.cpubenchmark.net/power_performance.html#intel- cp...](https://www.cpubenchmark.net/power_performance.html#intel-cpu) in this chart you basically only see various generations of ultra low (Y) and some low (U) Core chips, going back to Broadwell when the Y chips were introduced. Atoms make a very rare appearance. The top performing Sunny Cove (which itself has much poorer score than the latest Amber Lake Y but I digress) brings in 623 CPU Mark / Max TDP where the top performing Atom, a Pentium Silver N5000 features 455. You can argue on the finer details of this particular benchmark but we are talking of an absolutely brutal 40% difference. Core CPUs switch P states extraordinaly quick so if less performance is needed, they will consume less power just fine. What's the point...?

Cheat sheet to reading Intel CPU codes: if the number starts with 10 and contains a G it's an Ice Lake. Otherwise, if there is an Y somewhere, it's ultra low power. The last U letter means 15W, rarely 28W. Last letter T means a 35W desktop chip. E means embedded. Letter H means 45W mobile. All of these were Core chips, first letter N, J, Z means Atom. First digit (or two digits for 10) is generation which became an absolute mess past 7th gen, most important change is that 8-U is quad core where 7-U was dual core.

</comment><comment><USER19> And the real question... Will it have more performance per dollar than whatever AMD has up its sleeve...

<comment><USER20> AMD doesn't really have anything in this category, do they? Or even any announced plans for it?

<comment><USER21> Ryzen 4000 series has 8 cores down to 10W. This is 7W but with fewer and slower cores.

But there _are_ things that need lower power more than multi-thread performance.

<comment><USER22> They really aren't comparable. For example, standby power for Lakefield appears to be 2.5mW. Idle is probably significantly lower as well. They're targeting different use cases.

<comment><USER21> I can't find any figures for the standby power for Ryzen 4000 series, but standby is basically off. The standby power consumption should be negligible in both cases.

It's also not obvious what that use case would be. You can put most laptops into standby and they'll run on battery like that for many weeks. What's the thing that needs more than that?

It would be interesting to compare _idle_ power consumption, but for that we'd have to know what it actually is.

<comment><USER19> Also, don't most x86 CPU's support being powered off entirely during standby? Ie. flush the caches, write the registers back to RAM, set RAM to self- refresh, and then write some config registers in some power control IC to cut the power to the CPU.

Then it doesn't matter what the standby power consumption is - it simply matters how quickly it can get back into a working state from OFF.

</comment></comment></comment></comment></comment></comment><comment><USER23> It all sounds like a respin of the Cell Processor concept from the PS3 .. big standard CPU core surrounded by little DSP like cores that you have to farm out work to and manage and keep fed.

</comment><comment><USER24> I'm unsure of how this is being positioned in terms of CPU "horsepower". Is this supposed to be something like the next gen version of their "U" chips? More powerful? Less powerful but more portable with lower watt/TDP?

Also the "stacking" approach is really interesting, I wonder how far that approach may go though-- heat dissipation seems like it would quickly become a problem with multiple layers.

</comment><comment><USER25> Be nice if they could shift some of the CPU core towards [https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Asynchronous_circuit](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Asynchronous_circuit) design and that way be able to run those parts at a variable clock rate instead of one part for this frequency and another for a slightly lesser frequency.

For power efficiency for dynamic loads, an asynchronous circuit design would win over current solutions. However designing asynchronous circuits is a magnitude more complex than a synchronous one.

But for parts like AVX, extensions that will only be available upon the main core, that would yield dividends and with that. However, may find they offer such extensions as a separate chiplet/stack and negate the issue of does this core support it as they all could tap into that.

What i'd find interesting would be the actual design and instruction set under the hood, the x86 gets translated via microcode and do wonder how much of the underlying way things work has diverged from that original instruction set.

<comment><USER26> Async design is basically snake oil AFAIK that's only produced cores in the 10Ks of gates.

And there's still benefits to lower speed sections as there's physical differences to the transistors to emphasize power consumption of switching speed that'd still continue into async designs.

On top of that, part of what we're seeing is dark silicon and the specifics of Dennard scaling. You can't light up the whole chip and not melt the chip, so you're going to see mobile TDP chips where you turn half the chip on or off at a time either way.

<comment><USER25> Thank you for that, had somewhat overlooked the aspect of parts not used would in effect be shifting heatsinks and the whole big/little does in many ways give you whole easily controlled area's which for multi core designs can work well.

But biggest issue with any adoption of growth in asyn design is the tools and skills to do such work. Though it does prove hard to compare and most of the development in the async area been driven by the EM advantages for space based usage.

</comment></comment></comment><comment><USER27> Can we get this one without Intel ME? Or with the HA bit twiddled in advance?

<comment><USER28> not in a million years. Having complete access to your device without you being able to do anything is their wet dream

</comment></comment><comment><USER29> > new 3D stacking 'Foveros' technology

...wonder where they got that one from.

<comment><USER30> Total crapshoot but it sounds like "foveon" which is a layered camera sensor.

</comment></comment><comment><USER31> So can it compete with GPU, in a way?

I mean if it can do minimalist 3D, with opengl ES, with good performance or the same performance of a playstation 2, it would still be interesting, since high end, bleeding edge GPU graphics are not always interesting for everybody (and developing on bleeding edge GPU seems like it requires a lot of work).

A dedicated GPU always made sense for high performance, but at some point, having a console or a gaming PC that can run games with a single big chip might not be a bad idea. I have been able to play wow classic on a laptop's i5 with integrated graphics, and it was just fine.

Although I'm not sure if that new CPU is just that kind of "hybrid" design.

<comment><USER26> The GPU is somewhere between 360/PS3 generation and XBone/PS4 generation, but probably gets throttled heavily on sustained workloads.</comment></comment>


As Automation in Tech Hiring Gathers Speed, Lytmus Raises $7.2M - <AUTHOR> http://techcrunch.com/2015/09/30/lytmus/ <comment><USER2> this is pretty neat! the solution is pretty novel and I think this will definitely be a disruptor in the hiring space.

</comment><comment><USER3> Promotional voting and sockpuppet comments are both not ok here. You're welcome to repost your announcement but please don't do either of those things! HN's software picks it up and the accounts end up penalized.

</comment><comment><AUTHOR> Check out a demo at www.lytmus.com! We're here to answer any questions, or email us at firstname.lastname@example.com.</comment>