Ask HN: Inspirational movies - <AUTHOR> When feeling demotivated or simply in need of a gentle kick in the ass, watching a good inspirational/feel-good movie can never hurt. Which movies did you find inspirational? Bonus point for business related movies. <comment><USER3> Sneakers (<http://www.themovietracker.com/movies/8710>). The film's aged a little, but it's nice to watch a fairly funny hacking film that doesn't dress up hacking into 3D flying GUIs, Hack the Planet or hacking a TLA with a gun put to your head, while getting head.

Brewster's Millions always cheers me up around Christmas, as does Trading Places (<http://www.themovietracker.com/movies/9749>), both of which are slightly business related (although not exactly real-world related).

Someone else posted the pursuit of happyness (<http://www.themovietracker.com/movies/7605>), when I stick that on it comes across as a bit schmaltzy for me but has a good message.

A beautiful mind (<http://www.themovietracker.com/movies/1112>) is another great film about an incredibly smart but tortured genius who makes a massive contribution to economics.

Catch me if you can (<http://www.themovietracker.com/movies/1798>) is based on the true story of a fraudster who ripped off banks for tons of money and did all kinds of amazing things with it. It's a great romp and I'd highly recommend a first watch.

Life is beautiful (<http://www.themovietracker.com/movies/5583>) is hardly an uplifting film but is incredible and if it doesn't make you thankful for what you have, then I'd question whether or not you have a soul.

<comment><USER4> I think you mistook Sneakers for Swordfish. One is from 1992 and has Robert Redford and Dan Aykroyd.

<comment><USER3> I think you mis-parsed my Sneakers comment. Sneakers is an awesome film. Swordfish, while ok to watch if there's nothing else on can't hold a candle to Sneakers.

</comment></comment></comment><comment><USER5> It's strange. Most of the movies I use aren't here already. So here's my list.

Tucker: The Man and His Dream (1988) <http://www.imdb.com/title/tt0096316/>

Cinderella Man (2005) <http://www.imdb.com/title/tt0352248/>

The Secret of My Succe$s (1987) <http://www.imdb.com/title/tt0093936/>

Strangely I also find, Scarface (1983) <http://www.imdb.com/title/tt0086250/> and The Bucket List (2007) <http://www.imdb.com/title/tt0825232/> strangely inspiring.

Pirates of Silicon Valley and The Social Network would also be on my list but they have already been mentioned.

I also keep the fraud trilogy handy.

Wall Street (1987) <http://www.imdb.com/title/tt0094291/>

Glengarry Glen Ross (1992) <http://www.imdb.com/title/tt0104348/>

Boiler Room (2000) <http://www.imdb.com/title/tt0181984/>

<comment><USER6> I don't think Scarface is a strange choice for the same reason I like the fraud trilogy. Stories of meteoric success followed by tragic failure are hella inspiring, because you get to see where they went wrong. So while your watching your brain is telling you: 'All we have to do is follow The 10 Crack Commandments and we'll make it!'

</comment></comment><comment><USER7> Apart from those already mentioned by others, some challenging classics:

      Zorba the Greek
      Ikiru (Living), by Akira Kurosawa
      Babette's Feast
      La Strada
      La double vie de Véronique
      Lawrence of Arabia
      It's a Wonderful Life
      Jakob the Liar
      Citizen Kane
      Deliverance
      Dogville

Worth noting that none of these are "feel-good" american movies. They're "kick you in the balls and get you busy living" movies. I much prefer those to simple feel-good movies. If you want feel-good, just go watch some reruns of Friends (I'm not saying that like it's a bad thing; I do it quite often; but those are not the best inspirational movies by a long shot).

<comment><USER8> Ikiru is one of the few movies I bought on DVD. Such a special movie, I don't know any other movie like it.

</comment></comment><comment><USER9> _Iron Man_. I can't say why Downey's portrayal of being in the zone is so compelling, but it makes me want to build something.

 _Apollo 13_. When engineering had heroic scope.

Sometimes _300_ is stirring and brings a sort of you're-not-alone feeling when I'm stuck at the office. Also the RiffTrax commentary is hilarious.

<comment><USER6> I would say the appeal of Iron Man in that sense is the montage effect. I love montage sequences in movies, and movies that use them right are totally energizing. There's nothing like seeing the trip from obscurity to success without coffee breaks, writers block, tooth-brushing etc.

</comment></comment><comment><USER10> _The Social Network_

<comment><USER11> Am I the only one who found the film a bit disappointing given all the hype? While the first half was pretty cool and I really enjoyed the Facemash hacking scene, the second half felt like it was just endless squabbling over who owns what. Not exactly inspiring.

<comment><USER3> I've found that it's generally best to ignore hype for any film. If you go into a reasonably good film with low expectations, you'll like it. Walk into an incredible film with low expectations and you'll love it.

<comment><USER12> How can you set low expectations once you have read in the reviews that it is indeed good? You can't undo that, can you?

<comment><USER3> Yes you can. If you see reviews you should take them with a pinch of salt - there's a world of difference between Mark Kermode saying something's good and Nuts Magazine saying something's good.

You can avoid reviews, get a rough idea based on the actors and crew members' other work and a synopsis then decide if it warrants a visit to the cinema. You can go out and read the book the film might be based on.

For example, Black Swan is a film coming out by Darren Aronofsky that's coming out later this year. It stars Natalie Portman as a promising young ballet dancer that's slowly turning into a swan. It's an interesting premise, Aronofsky did Requiem for a Dream, the Fountain and more recently The Wrestler.

As well as Natalie Portman it has Vincent Cassel, both of whom I've loved in films before. This tells me that the film is probably worth seeing at the cinema - it may or may not be good but I can go in regardless of expectations. Unless I hear it's pretty awful then that's what I'm likely to do.

</comment></comment></comment></comment></comment><comment><USER13> I'd agree with two here, while adding one of my own.

The Social Network - have seen it twice, both times eager to get out of the cinema and rush home to continue working on my own projects. We all know it's possible to create something and have the world take notice, but to see the journey and the all too familiar scenarios was hugely inspiring. As much as the lead character may come across as an unemotional awkward individual - <USER2> can't help but want his sharpness and drive. Oh, and success.

Good Will Hunting - Maybe I happened to watch this at the right time, during a period where I had met someone special and certain obstacles had me holding back. This movie had me book a flight the second the credits began rolling. There's similarities with The Social Network too, a special yet flawed individual, whose mistakes pale in comparison to his potential. Every line in the film is a quotable.

Hangover - This will be the first and only mention I expect of this film, but in terms of leaving a cinema and feeling inspired, this is up there for me. Would happily have left on the road trip of a lifetime if my groups of friends were to join me. Sure I'd have broken down 2 miles into the journey, broke and a little homesick but I'd have given it a go.

</comment><comment><AUTHOR> I'll answer my own question: Catch Me If You Can (2002). It's basically the adventures of a very skilled social engineer.

<comment><USER14> But don't read the book if you want to stay motivated.

</comment></comment><comment><USER15> Office Space - gave me an idea what work in an average software company might be like and why I'd rather go my own way.

</comment><comment><USER16> October Sky. This is one of the inspirational movie i can think of now.

<comment><USER17> One of my all time favorites. It's not computer nerd, it's rocket nerd -- but it feels similar to stories of Woz building his own computers from cheap chips.

</comment></comment><comment><USER18> Pirates of Silicon Valley

<comment><USER19> The best movie on startups I've ever seen. I've watched it at least 20 times and appreciate it more each time. Woz has said that it's fairly accurate, which makes it that much more awesome.

</comment></comment><comment><USER20> Amelie

<http://www.imdb.com/title/tt0211915/>

</comment><comment><USER21> A Time for Drunken Horses is a less mainstream film that tells the story of entrepreneurship in the face of adversity.

<http://www.imdb.com/title/tt0259072/>

I also found The Pursuit of Happiness pretty incredible

<http://www.imdb.com/title/tt0454921/>

</comment><comment><USER22> Gattaca is always uplifting.

</comment><comment><USER23> I have a soft spot for "Meet the Robinsons".

I went looking for the exact Walt Disney quote at the end of the movie, and discovered "<http://en.wikiquote.org/wiki/Walt_Disney> which includes quite a few quotes that can relate to entrepreneurship.

</comment><comment><USER19> Star Trek: TOS. I find the innocence and unabashed optimism puts me in a good mood. I keep it on in the background while I work.

</comment><comment><USER24> Breaking Away (1979) "They're gonna keep callin' us "cutters." To them, it's just a dirty word. To me, it's just somethin' else I never got a chance to be." <http://www.imdb.com/title/tt0078902/>

</comment><comment><USER25> \- I Heart Huckabees \- You, Me And Everyone We Know \- Juno \- The Straight Story \- My Neighbour Totoro

Are all straight forward feel good movies.

\- Caché \- The Lives Of Others \- The White Ribbon \- The Fountain \- Amores Perros \- City Of God \- Fargo \- Dune \- Castle In The Sky \- Nausicaä of the Valley of the Wind \- Eternal Sunshine of the Spotless Mind \- Festen

Make you feel good simply by the presence of their across the board brilliance.

<comment><USER3> I never really liked Nausicaä, but I loved Spirited Away, Howl's Moving Castle and Ponyo.

Which Dune are you referring to? Film, Mini-Series, original or extended?

<comment><USER25> Dune the film. It's different to the book. It is flawed. It's also one of the most atmospheric and convincing SF worlds ever realised on film, on a par with Blade Runner. It's got plenty of cool bits and a wicked Brian Eno soundtrack.

What you have to remember about Nausicaä is that it's 26 years old. Miyazaki was hitting wonderfully balanced deep green themes and using ambiguous villains whilst Disney was churning out 'Mickey's Christmas Carol'. There's lot's of truly wonderful space and silence in Nausicaä's 'forest' scenes.

</comment></comment></comment><comment><USER26> One of my favorite movies that I watch quite often and belongs in that category is "The Shawshank Redemption" from 1994. Persist in adverse environments, make lifetime friends, resist to cruel authorities, develop side projects ;), use your skills in a good and moral way.

"Small Time Crooks" 2000 by Woody Allen. A movie about naive accidental lovable millionaires. Funny and sometimes bitter.

</comment><comment><USER27> Or you can just _read_ few pages from "Founders at Work"

</comment><comment><USER28> Rudy. This movie will inspire you to work harder every time.

</comment><comment><USER29> \- The Social Network. \- Black Hawk Down. \- Catch Me If You Can. \- The Bourne Supremacy, The Bourne Identity, The Bourne Ultimatum. \- Ocean's Twelve, Ocean's Eleven. \- Remember the Titans. \- The Blind Side.

</comment><comment><USER30> Hoop Dreams. It's a documentary, but it is both inspirational and feel-good.

<comment><USER31> uh, its a great movie, but I don't remember it being very feel good. I mostly remember it being depressing. That scene toward the end where one of the kids is playing ball with his father is heartbreaking.

</comment></comment><comment><USER32> This is a novelette, not a movie: The Djinn's Wife, by Ian McDonald. Hard AIs, cybernetic brain interfacing, AI diplomats, AI negociators, AI cyber- and real war, a trans-human love story, it's incredible. Setting is "near future India".

You can read a preview at Asimov's site: <http://www.asimovs.com/_issue_0607/Djinn.shtml>

Asimov's used to publish it in its entirety online, I guess that was for promotional purposes.

</comment><comment><USER33> Don't overlook the obvious: _The Matrix_

Also: _Primer, Amadeus, Ratatouille_

Older movies: _The General_ and other Buster Keaton movies, _Trouble in Paradise_ and other Lubitsch movies.

<comment><USER34> To each his own, but can I ask what about Buster Keaton movies motivates you? Just wondering.

<comment><USER35> I was impressed with _Die Hard_ (1988) when I first saw it; so well engineered, as a movie and story and visual spectacle. Now that's the way action movies should be made, I thought, and hoped there'd be more like it -- even while wary of formulaic recombinations, like 'Die Hard on a boat', etc.

Years later, I saw _The General_ (1927), and it blew my mind. There, 60+ years earlier, was 'Die Hard on rails'. There were so many action-movie scenes and stunts and plot points that have been repeated over and over in the decades since.

But: when Keaton did it, he wasn't cribbing anyone else. These weren't old familiar cliches (yet). He was risking his health with dangerous stunts. He didn't have the help of later special effects. He didn't even have sound or spoken dialogue. But still it all worked: the humor, the story, the stunts, the tension.

It was like discovering the common ancestor of hundreds of later movie and TV tropes, the very first action flick that crawled out of the oceans of text and imagination to walk on the dry land of motion pictures.

To have created that, with the limited tools of the era, prefiguring so much of what came later -- well, we can only hope to do something similar with the still-young digital and network media of our age.

</comment></comment></comment><comment><USER36> Law Abiding Citizen. It's a bit dark, but extremely powerful. The first time I saw it, I watched it twice more within a week to share it with a bunch of my friends.

</comment><comment><USER37> 1\. The Killing Fields

[http://movies.netflix.com/WiMovie/The-Killing- Fields/671140?...](http://movies.netflix.com/WiMovie/The-Killing- Fields/671140?trkid=438403#height1457)

2\. Danny Deckchair

[http://movies.netflix.com/Movie/Danny- Deckchair/60033353?trk...](http://movies.netflix.com/Movie/Danny- Deckchair/60033353?trkid=496751#height1554)

3\. As Far as My Feet Will Carry Me (German film)

[http://movies.netflix.com/Movie/As-Far-as-My-Feet-Will- Carry...](http://movies.netflix.com/Movie/As-Far-as-My-Feet-Will-Carry- Me/70068024?trkid=496751#height1848)

4\. Vitus (another German flick)

[http://movies.netflix.com/Movie/Vitus/70068654?trkid=496751#...](http://movies.netflix.com/Movie/Vitus/70068654?trkid=496751#height1509)

5\. The Diving Bell and the Butterfly (French film)

[http://movies.netflix.com/Movie/The-Diving-Bell-and-the- Butt...](http://movies.netflix.com/Movie/The-Diving-Bell-and-the- Butterfly/70071610?trkid=496751#height1941)

6\. Band of Brothers (HBO mini-series)

[http://movies.netflix.com/Movie/Band-of-Brothers- Disc-1/6002...](http://movies.netflix.com/Movie/Band-of-Brothers- Disc-1/60024705?trkid=496751)

7\. The Pianist

[http://movies.netflix.com/Movie/The- Pianist/60025061?trkid=4...](http://movies.netflix.com/Movie/The- Pianist/60025061?trkid=496751#height1522)

8\. I am David

[http://movies.netflix.com/Movie/I-Am- David/60034547?trkid=49...](http://movies.netflix.com/Movie/I-Am- David/60034547?trkid=496751#height1771)

<comment><USER3> I'm not sure if I'd call The Pianist uplifting!

<comment><USER38> Or The Killing Fields!

</comment></comment></comment><comment><USER39> 'The World's Fastest Indian'

<comment><USER40> I have a project motorcycle right now, and I just watched this last week. Amazing movie. In the vernacular of HN, it's about an old Kiwi who's bootstrapped, ramen profitable and hacking his way to making the worlds fastest motorcycle.

</comment></comment><comment><USER41> Good Will Hunting.

The Bourne Identity.

<comment><USER42> No offence, but I find "Good Will Hunting" as a perfect "bait movie".

</comment></comment><comment><USER43> _Defending Your Life_

 _From IMDB: In an afterlife resembling the present-day US, people must prove their worth by showing in court how they have demonstrated courage._

Albert Brooks dies and has to prove that he has conquered his fears in order to "move on" or get smarter.

He looks back on his life and sees how things could have been better if he'd just had more courage.

<comment><USER44> Totally agree. I watch the movie every few years and I'm always surprised at how much it motivates and moves me. Plus, it's amusing.

</comment></comment><comment><USER45> Ken Burns's Frank Lloyd Wright documentary is one of my favorites. The guy went through so many ups and downs in his career and created some of his most amazing works well and age when most would have retired. Leaves you feeling like it's never too late to accomplish something amazing if you stick to your convictions.

<comment><USER46> I found it quite the opposite. He valued his genius above anything else, honored no inconvenient personal obligations, and was chronically dishonest when promoting new projects, and without those qualities, his accomplishments would have been much more limited. I don't feel inspired by that at all -- I could perhaps convince myself I was a genius and do anything to further my creative output, but I can't morally do that, because the odds are overwhelming that I would not create beautiful and enduring works of art that eclipsed the personal damage to people around me the way Frank Lloyd Wright's architecture does.

</comment></comment><comment><USER47> Lemonade Movie (<http://www.lemonademovie.com>) - It's a short, beautifully shot documentary that tracks a handful of people who got fired in 2008 and took that as an opportunity to do amazing things with their next careers

Also, gotta love the classics - Rudy and Good Will Hunting

</comment><comment><USER48> Can't believe nobody has mentioned Breaking Away

<http://www.imdb.com/title/tt0078902/>

[http://rogerebert.suntimes.com/apps/pbcs.dll/article?AID=/19...](http://rogerebert.suntimes.com/apps/pbcs.dll/article?AID=/19790101/REVIEWS/901010308/1023)

</comment><comment><USER49> Shawshank Redemption

Hudsucker Proxy

<comment><USER24> Upvoted for Hudsucker Proxy. Very underrated movie. Essential if you're interested in business and specifically product development.

</comment></comment><comment><USER50> SeTec Astronomy...

</comment><comment><USER51> The Lord of the Rings Triology (when you have loads of time - there is something about it) Kick-Ass Jerry Maguire The Thief Lord Pursuit of Happyness

Not all are 'hacking' or 'enterprising' but something about them that does the trick.

</comment><comment><USER34> The King of Kong: A Fistful of Quarters. Classic story of the underdog battling the perennial favorite told through the real-life struggle for the world's highest Donkey Kong score. Seriously, watch it now.

</comment><comment><USER52> Fight Club

<comment><USER53> "It's only after you've lost everything that you're free to do anything."

</comment></comment><comment><USER54> * Life is beautiful

* Last Train Home

* Brokeback mountain

* Slumdog Millionare

* Aftershocks (Tangshan dadizhen)

* Bus 174

* Moon

* The Wire (TV series)

* Zorba the greek

* City of God

</comment><comment><USER55> For inspiration, I tend to prefer movies rooted in a real life story. A couple of movies already mentioned that fall into that category: _The Pursuit of Happyness_ and _October Sky_. I also really like _Shine_ , _Cool Runnings_ , and _Take the Lead_.

Favorite scene from _Shine_ :

<http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=y-QrSc_Jw3g>

</comment><comment><USER56> Lord of War

<comment><USER57> Seconded. one of my favourite and compelling films.

</comment></comment><comment><USER58> Thank you for all the amazing suggestions

I made a list with all the movies now that i run out of suggestions on what to watch. (I missed some, and the list will grow, but still useful)

Here you have it, thanks again [https://docs.google.com/document/pub?id=1x2H4erOo2wAktNMXr2R...](https://docs.google.com/document/pub?id=1x2H4erOo2wAktNMXr2RfUxxwCoQMGCc1N9UHh-S3ADc)

</comment><comment><USER59> Star Wars, the original movie

Superman, the original movie

Star Trek, the first movie with Shatner, Nimoy, etc. Also Wrath of Khan.

The Matrix

300 probably will become one

The Social Network was surprisingly motivational. Fairly realistic portrayal of programming and programmers and startup life, and I loved many of Sean Parker's motivational speeches, and some of the Zuckerberg character's speeches as well.

</comment><comment><USER60> I'm surprised nobody mentioned "Hoosiers"

<comment><USER61> "My team's on the floor!!!" <http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=J-lt6jDaVnc>

</comment></comment><comment><USER62> The Right Stuff

</comment><comment><USER63> There are a lot of good movies here already, I missed these two however:

Big Fish <http://www.imdb.com/title/tt0319061/>

City of Ember <http://www.imdb.com/title/tt0970411/>

</comment><comment><USER64> Contact, Fountainhead, Glen Garry Glen Ross, Waking Life, Zorba the Greek, Von Ryan's Express

<comment><USER65> Echo Glengarry Glen Ross (<http://www.imdb.com/title/tt0104348/>). The tagline, "A story for everyone who works for a living" pretty much sums it up. For me, no other movie has done such a good job of capturing the horror of the workaday grind. The acting is also amazing (Pacino, Jack Lemon, Alec Baldwin).

Also in the spirit of quit your day job movies, Joe vs. The Volcano (<http://www.imdb.com/title/tt0099892/)is> pretty great. Not as masterful a film as Glengarry, but much more upbeat.

</comment></comment><comment><USER66> _Jerry Maguire_

</comment><comment><USER67> I'm always blown away by the 2,5 hour documentary on the first DVD-release of Star Wars (IV-VI). I think it is this one: <http://www.imdb.com/title/tt0416716/plotsummary>

</comment><comment><USER42> I find 70s Japanese action movies very inspiring. Very hard to explain why, but just do.

<comment><USER68> You mean like Zatoichi the Blind Swordsman? Can you give some examples?

<comment><USER42> Watched 'Sex and Fury' last week. (Admittedly, that falls into 'Pinky Violence' genre.)

</comment></comment></comment><comment><USER69> Network (1976) - The phrase "I'm mad as hell and I'm not going to take it anymore" comes from this film.

<http://www.imdb.com/title/tt0074958/>

</comment><comment><USER70> Karate Kid :)

Now serios:

The Godfather: makes you feel everything is possible

A Good Year: feel-good movie, but I think it really shows why we really struggle. I mean what's the point in having millions if you don't know what to do with them.

</comment><comment><USER71> Pursuit of Happiness

If you like Bollywood, I would highly recommend 3 Idiots.

<comment><USER72> staying with Bollywood, I also recommend "Taare Zameen par" <http://www.en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Taare_Zameen_Par>

</comment></comment><comment><USER73> "The Man From Earth"

<comment><USER74> The world looked slightly different after I watched that movie. There are many things that I blindly refused to believe without any means of disproving them.

</comment></comment><comment><USER75> I watch Hackers about once every two months and listen to the soundtrack every other week. Sometime for a change I watch Antitrust.

</comment><comment><USER76> Hitchhiker's Guide to the Galaxy. Funny, lot of philosophical analogies and above all have to honor Douglas Adam's imagination

</comment><comment><USER77> Sunshine (2007) Danny Boyle, Alex Garland.

</comment><comment><USER78> Antitrust <http://www.imdb.com/title/tt0218817/>

</comment><comment><USER79> Sunflower

<http://www.imdb.com/title/tt0923714/>

</comment><comment><USER80> "2001: A Space Odyssey" - Stanley Kubrick

"Eat Drink Man Woman" - Ang Lee

"The Ice Storm" - Ang Lee

"Wonder Boys" - Curtis Hanson

"The Apartment" - Billy Wilder

</comment><comment><USER81> Rocky IV

<comment><USER82> Even if you dont like Rocky you might want to watch this story: <http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ywuse55qU2A> Much shorter than movie, but super motivational!

</comment></comment><comment><USER83> If you're a runner - Running Brave, Saint Ralph, Spirit of the Marathon.

</comment><comment><USER84> The Pursuit of Happiness

</comment><comment><USER85> Rushmore

It Might Get Loud - documentary about Jimmy Page, Jack White and the Edge

</comment><comment><USER86> Great list--I'm surprised to not see "Groundhog Day" here yet.

</comment><comment><USER87> A feel good movie about a "loser" girl and family "startup".

Cleaning sunshine

</comment><comment><USER88> Man on Wire. This movie pumps me up like no other.

<comment><USER89> I'll second Man on Wire. Artist-hacker decides to tightrope walk between the towers of the World Trade Center without permission. Such a great story, and a true one.

</comment></comment><comment><USER90> Groundhog Day, Little Miss Sunshine, Pleasantville

</comment><comment><USER91> Army of Darkness

</comment><comment><USER92> Rounders, Count of Monte Cristo, Gladiator.

<comment><USER61> Try the Count of Monte Cristo book, the movie's an awful version of the book.

</comment></comment><comment><USER93> The Color of Money Rainman The great escape

</comment><comment><USER94> My favorite is always Million Dollar Baby.

</comment><comment><USER95> A Beautiful Mind

The Shawshank Redemption

Mr. Smith Goes to Washington

Pirates of Silicon Valley

</comment><comment><USER96> _Hackers_

<comment><USER7> Have you watched it recently? I tried, I couldn't get past the first 30 minutes with my ex-girlfriend, it was just so embarrassingly bad.

<comment><USER97> I watch it about once a year, but I consider it a feelgood comedy that parodies its title.

</comment></comment></comment><comment><USER98> Koyaanisqatsi

</comment><comment><USER99> invictus is a pretty good one too

</comment><comment><USER100> Wall Street!

</comment><comment><USER101> War Games

</comment><comment><USER102> Primer

Antitrust

Rocket man

Office Space

</comment><comment><USER103> Wanted

Spirited Away

<comment><USER8> Don't know Wanted, but Spirited Away is totally amazing.

<comment><USER103> All Hayao Miyazaki movies are pretty epic :)

</comment></comment></comment><comment><USER51> Star Wars!

</comment><comment><USER104> Wayne Dyer's The Shift

</comment><comment><USER105> pursuit of happiness

</comment><comment><USER106> Harold and Maude

</comment><comment><USER107> Freedom Writers

</comment><comment><USER108> October Sky

</comment><comment><USER109> The Aviator

</comment><comment><USER110> Wall·e

</comment><comment><USER111> The "Poor Jack" song in Nightmare before Christmas is one of the best songs for this purpose ever written, in my opinion: <http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LXXOO3Wd_5Q>. The basic message is: I'm klbarry, I can do whatever the fuck I want.</comment>


Gmail Ending? Google Starts Migrating Users - <AUTHOR> http://www.forbes.com/sites/gordonkelly/2015/12/05/google-ending-gmail/ <comment><USER2> I really hope not. I like Inbox and I use it every day, but for example today I've had two emails that spoofed my address. The only way I was able to see the headers was to go back to GMail because "Show Original" is not included in Inbox - quite a few features aren't.

If they did it might be the beginning of the end for me using Google for mail.</comment>


Off-Facebook Activity Is a Welcome but Incomplete Move - <AUTHOR> https://www.eff.org/deeplinks/2020/01/facebook-history-welcome-incomplete-move <comment><USER2> I don't use Facebook, but I do use Messenger as I have a couple of close family members who refuse to use anything else. I've just logged into Facebook (which has no history as I've purged it[1]), and still there are 5 apps sharing my activity with Facebook. These 5 apps are all on my phone, so I guess Messenger is also sharing back to FB. :(

\---

[1] Shameless plug: [https://github.com/Jaruzel/DeleteFacebookActivity](https://github.com/Jaruzel/DeleteFacebookActivity)

<comment><USER3> You can use Facebook's stripped-down web interface to send messages. It's what I use on my phone. [https://mbasic.facebook.com/](https://mbasic.facebook.com/)

<comment><USER4> Ahah! Thanks for this.

Many a time I've had to temporarily install their mobile Messages app just to reply to someone while away.

</comment></comment></comment><comment><USER5> yes

</comment><comment><USER6> _In the U.S., for example, three-quarters of adults don't even know that Facebook's "ad preferences" page exists_

That's just ignorance. It irritates me when a person complains about social media and its data farming, but the person doesn't bother to change some of the settings a website/app has in order to diminish the collecting data activity.

<comment><USER7> The fact that you found hacker news, created an account here and comment puts you in the category where you poke around with settings and fault others for not doing so. But there are _vast_ numbers of people using Facebook that just aren't going to look at settings. They aren't bad people for not doing this. Default behaviors mean a lot.

<comment><USER6> I'm not faulting anyone. I said it only irritates me those who complain without taking any action.

<comment><USER7> But the possible actions we can take are not equally visible to everyone, and this is true for many things in life outside of software as well. Putting an opt-out somewhere deep in settings while doing things people would likely not want technically solves the problem, but effectively does not.

<comment><USER8> I might agree with the other commenter. If you can't figure it out yourself (understandable for most people), it ought to be as easy as googling "where are facebook's privacy settings?" I don't have an account, so I can't tell whether the facebook help pages that come up are useful.

In general, I am frustrated when the complaint is about how hard a thing is to do, when sticking that complaint into a web search gives you an easy answer. That doesn't seem to be the case here though?

<comment><USER9> I don't know if you've used Facebook for a long time, but no matter how many times you've gone and managed Facebook settings, if you come back a year later you'll find that you've been opted into all kinds of new garbage, you'll find that certain options are completely gone (for example, no longer being able to opt out of public search or making your profile photo private) - even if you were a layman who did your research, you will still likely fail.</comment></comment></comment></comment></comment></comment>


Lieberman Introduces New Censorship Bill In Kneejerk Response To Wikileaks - <AUTHOR> http://www.techdirt.com/articles/20101202/16091112095/lieberman-introduces-new-censorship-bill-kneejerk-response-to-wikileaks.shtml <comment><USER2> How can Liberman be taken seriously by anyone - this guy epitomizes the out of touch clown.

</comment><comment><USER3> His state disowning him in 3...2..1..</comment>


Ask HN: Angular vs. React vs. Vue for App MVP - <AUTHOR> Hey, guys. I'm a developer building a web app MVP.  I am relatively new at development, and the company is a funded startup. So far, I've been building data gathering and processing tools on the backend, and now am building a web app as a way to deliver relevant data to customers.
The back end will be Node, talking to Mongo and Azure SQL Server. The data is imagery overlays on maps, and dashboards. I'll be using Mapbox and probably PowerBI embeds.
The question is this: which framework/library should I use of the above 3? Ideally, this should be something that is easy enough to learn and extend, intuitive and easy to maintain.
I've built a few learning projects with Angular 2, have an ok grasp on the basics, but it's a bit of a monster.
I've heard many good things about React with Mobx and Vue. I think that pretty quickly, once the MVP is built as a browser app, I'll end up building it as a mobile app, using Ionic, Nativescript or Jsonette. A point in Angular's favor is that it lends itself to making the app in Ionic. <comment><USER2> I've previewed all these frameworks.

Vue is probably the easiest to get started with and has the nicest binding model IMO.

Angular, which I ended up with, has a big learning curve, but was a good match for building large enterprise web apps. One of the hardest parts is getting familiar with RXJS, which is baked in.

For me, React seemed like it was best for read-only data. I wouldn't want to do a forms heavy app in React, but I could be missing something. I'm also not a big fan of jsx, so I might be prejudiced against it.

With Cordova you can use any of these frameworks to make a native app.</comment>


The OpenType Cookbook - <AUTHOR> http://opentypecookbook.com/ <comment><USER2> Sweet, this looks like a perfect level of introduction -- readable to novices, but still a fairly deep dive.</comment>


Node.JS and Socket.IO online support-style chat - <AUTHOR> https://github.com/guille/oscon-chat

<comment><USER2> Very neat idea and implementation. I can definitely see this application making money if you release a paid version.</comment>


Cable lacing on the Curiosity rover - <AUTHOR> http://igkt.net/sm/index.php?topic=4028 <comment><USER2> If an advanced alien species someday finds this rover on Mars (or probably any other space probe launched by NASA) and examines it, what will this method of knotting tell them about the state of human mathematics?

For example, is it possible that there exists another, more optimal, type of knot that we should have chosen had only our knot theory had been more advanced?

<comment><USER3> "Knot theory" always concerns strings that are joined at either end to form a closed circuit. Regardless, I don't think abstract mathematics does much for you when the problem is so simple and 'practical'.

</comment></comment><comment><USER4> Why are the cables exposed ? Wouldn't it better to fix them inside the rover and only have the relevant ends pop out when there is a need to connect to a device located on the outside of the shell in order to reduce interferences and external damages ?

<comment><USER5> My guess is that they have cables on the outside _and_ inside, and putting yet another cover over the outside cables would mean more mass. As-is, they only have to worry about wind and sand, so extra metal shielding is probably not necessary.

<comment><USER6> Right. If they didn't care about weight they'd have used zip ties and braiding.

<comment><USER5> Not sure what braiding entails, but according to TFA, they would not have used zip ties. And if by braiding you mean twisted, shielded pairs, then I'm sure they used that.

</comment></comment></comment></comment><comment><USER7> Does anyone know why so much cabling on Curiosity is on top of the vehicle, exposed to the elements?

Surely it would be safer to contain those cables in the body? It would just take a rock to fall on the rover from a cliffside or similar to damage those cables.

<comment><USER8> For just a moment, I found myself worried about how they would hold up when it rained...

<comment><USER9> Wouldn't that be a nice problem to have. The only way to fix it would be to send some humans to the rover for a repair job...

</comment></comment></comment><comment><USER10> Just had to post this photo which I found after looking around as it's related:

[http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/4/46/System_Te...](http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/4/46/System_Test_of_the_Saturn_V_Instrument_Unit_%286861934%29.jpg)

Saturn V instrument unit.

Awesome piece of engineering.

<comment><USER11> Cool picture. It looks to me like most of those long-running cable bundles are secured with black plastic zip ties--ironic given the text of the article.

</comment></comment><comment><USER12> This is awesome. I'm going to lace all my cables now.

In these kinds of applications, what do they use to attach the cables to something? It looks like on the rover they have special tie points built onto the rover surface -- is that what is done in other applications too?

<comment><USER13> Either they are laced parallel to a support strut, which can be thought of as a very hard wire, or lashed down to some support point. You can also see this in large data centers.

<http://www.reddit.com/r/cableporn>

<comment><USER10> Great link. There goes my afternoon :-)

The first item is amazing as well (ST-124-M3 inertial platform i.e. Gimbal unit for Saturn V)

About: <http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/ST-124-M3_inertial_platform>

Pron: [https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/4/44/ST-124_u...](https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/4/44/ST-124_uncovered_%28IMGP3445%29.JPG)

This sort of engineering is as much art as engineering and I truly respect the people who designed and built it.

</comment></comment></comment><comment><USER14> If anyone is interested in more of these standard practices in regards to aircraft construction the following book details the proper methods that should be used.

[http://www.amazon.com/Standard-Aircraft-Handbook- Mechanics-T...](http://www.amazon.com/Standard-Aircraft-Handbook-Mechanics- Technicians/dp/0071348360/ref=sr_1_2?ie=UTF8&qid=1346765869&sr=8-2&keywords=aircraft+standard+practices)

</comment><comment><USER15> An entire forum about knot tying?! Sign me up!

</comment><comment><USER16> Can I get an explanation as to how the OP is making the claim that these are IN FACT these kind of knots? I mean I cannot see how this image is of sufficient resolution to support this.

</comment><comment><USER17> I love the fact that there are people, who when faced with photographs sent from a robot on mars, will crop out all the bits of image with mars in them, so they can get a better look at the knots used to tie all the cables down. They must have absolutely immaculate sock drawers.

<comment><USER18> Your backhanded compliment is a bit disturbing for being the top comment. I've largely dismissed the complaints about the HN community becoming more negative, largely thinking that mature realism was being mistaken for unwarranted negativity.

However, this comment, along with the negative comments about the uptime of Tindie's _blog_ (<http://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=4472348>), has me thinking that these complaints of undue negativity are justified.

I find the attention to detail involved in selecting _knots_ to be a tremendously interesting aspect of sending a physical vehicle to mars, and I find it to be a testament to human specialization and intelligence that there's a whole community of _knot_ experts that can provide so much insight into the knot choices. Implying some sort of OCD around sock drawers seems incredibly rude, and counter-productive to building or maintaining a culture of technical excellence.

<comment><USER19> I've read and reread ktizo and I'm not seeing the negativity. He drew a correlation based on their attention to detail and if mistaken should be about as insulting as mathematical error.

Perhaps there's a cross-cultural interpretation associated with sock drawers that I'm missing. Granted there has been negativity on HN lately, but are we not manufacturing drama here?

//edit: I read it that he's impressed with their focus and passion, which sounds more like a compliment.

<comment><USER18> "I love that ..." is the rhetorical equivalent of "Don't take this the wrong way, but ..."

There's a pretty clear implication that it's silly to "crop out" pictures of mars, focus on knots, and the kind of people that would do that would be OCD in their maintenance of sock drawers.

It's a silly, vaguely cutting generalization. Observe the top reply, which takes a defensive stance: <http://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=4474178>

</comment></comment></comment></comment><comment><USER20> Two words: zip tie.

<comment><USER21> Perhaps zip ties can't withstand the changes in pressures or heat. Expansion, contraction, and all that mess. I'm simply arm chair guessing here.

<comment><USER20> Well, neither wikipedia nor the linked article say why zip ties aren't used. I don't know what material the lacing is made from, but unless it is a natural thread I'm sure zip ties can be made from that material.

It might be that tension (which is what I worry about when I zip tie delicate things like optic fibre) is better controlled in hand tied knots, but zip ties can be tied pretty precisely.

<comment><USER22> "but unless it is a natural thread I'm sure zip ties can be made from that material"

A zip tie requires a different combination of compression strength, tensile strength, and elongation stability compared with lacing. So the materials are not interchangeable.

Also, individual fibers bundled into a cable is MUCH MUCH stronger than the exact same amount of material as a single homogeneous cable.

And individual fibers can handle flexing and vibration far far better than a single large strand.</comment></comment></comment></comment>


Next Gen of Innovators: Crowdfunding Campaign to Acquire a 3D-Printer for Youth - <AUTHOR> http://www.indiegogo.com/projects/young-makers-community-3d-printer-for-pop-up-demonstrations

<comment><AUTHOR> I am excited to present an initiative that will introduce local youth to the wonders of 3D printing. The basic idea is to seek community support to help us achieve the funding necessary to acquire a low-cost desktop 3D printer. We plan on bringing the 3D printer to schools, community centres, local libraries and other places where young people can have an opportunity to engage with this cutting-edge technology.

3D printing represents a powerful educational instrument that can simultaneously unleash the creative potential of youth, develop their technical skills while fostering experimentation, problem-solving and collaborative learning. Our "community" 3D printer will be the centerpiece of a program of "pop-up" events that we plan on organizing to introduce young people to the world of digital fabrication and the joy of "making".

I invite you to visit our crowdfunding campaign on the Indiegogo platform for more details: www.indiegogo.com/projects/young-makers-community-3d-printer- for-pop-up-demonstrations

If you are interested in supporting this campaign with a donation but prefer not to create an account on Indiegogo website, please let me know and we can discuss an alternative way to expedite your contribution.

If you would like to support the campaign other than through a financial contribution, I would be most grateful if you would consider: \- forwarding this message or above weblink to friends and colleagues; or \- referring a school, community centre or any other organization that you believe could benefit from our initiative.</comment>


Ask HN: Poor Adnetwork Participation and Usage - <AUTHOR> The following third-party study shows an incredibly poor participation rate by websites in what is probably the dominant "website monetization" method. I'm concerned I have read way too much into this lack of participation by websites. I'm looking at it like 2/3 of website operators fail to monetize their web traffic and are letting that potential income go down the drain. I'm looking for some other perspectives to explain why only 1/3 of website participate in ad networks operated by some giant companies (such as Google, Amazon, Microsoft, yahoo etc)? Here's the link: https://w3techs.com/technologies/overview/advertising/all <comment><USER2> Not everybody is trying to make money directly from their website. If you're an online-shop, you don't want ads from random people on your site. If you're a company/govt agency/non-profit etc running a website to promote your services, you don't want ads on your site. If you're a normal person with a personal site, you don't want ads on your site.

<comment><AUTHOR> Thanks for the feedback. Do you think it reasonable to believe 2/3 of website operators would have the objections you list or is it possible that the ad network industry is under serving a large portion of the website operators? Also, two of three use cases you mentioned were websites that were trying to get money from visitors so is it possible they might change their opinions with more lucrative payment for displaying ads?

<comment><USER2> I believe it's reasonable, yes. The SEO/Affiliate-market is strong, but the rest of the economy is much larger and runs a lot more websites.

Commercial websites are made to (help) make money, but you'll likely not convince somebody who has a non-ad business model to include ads. Similarly, a lawyer runs his office to make money, but he won't let you put up billboards with ads in his office, even if he could make a little extra money, because it would likely impact his primary business.</comment></comment></comment>


Decreases in global beer supply due to extreme drought and heat - <AUTHOR> https://www.nature.com/articles/s41477-018-0263-1 <comment><USER2> It seems this is the future warning for a lot of things. Coffee, bananas, cocoa are all crops I have heard this about. But if places like Canada warm up by a bit and the season extend just a bit, would that not make them prime conditions for growing a lot of these things? Perhaps demand will bring on new supply.

<comment><AUTHOR> That's my reasoning as well. A lot of climate change research seems to assume that the only variable is climate, while everything else has to stay the same: in this case cultivated varieties, cultivation techniques, production countries, economic incentives to cultivation, and so on. The world is constantly adapting to changes, often in complex and unexpected ways. I have next to zero faith in the ability of any researcher to correctly predict and rule out the miriad of ways we can adapt to such changes, before a real decrease in supply happens.</comment></comment>


8088 microprocessor IP core fits in 308 LUTs, runs at 180MHz on a Kintex-7 FPGA - <AUTHOR> https://forums.xilinx.com/t5/Xcell-Daily-Blog/8088-microprocessor-IP-core-fits-in-308-LUTs-runs-at-180MHz-on-a/ba-p/682449 <comment><USER2> Note that this core runs at ~100 MHz to get equivalent performance (cycle accurate timings) to the original 4.77 MHz 8088. The big deal is the relatively small number of LUTs used, leaving plenty of room for more stuff.

There's more from the creator at [http://www.eetimes.com/author.asp?section_id=216&doc_id=1328...](http://www.eetimes.com/author.asp?section_id=216&doc_id=1328967) including this nice tidbit:

 _The result is the MCL86, which is basically a 7-instruction, 32-bit micro- sequencer. Some of the micro-sequencer 's instructions are specialized so as to allow it to rapidly decode instructions as well as nest function calls. With these seven instructions, I was able to microcode all of the 8086 opcodes in a relatively small number of micro-sequencer clocks._

A video of this running 8088mph would be awesome, they already have a number of videos of this running other stuff on a PC: [https://www.youtube.com/channel/UC9B3TaEUon- araO2j7tp9jg](https://www.youtube.com/channel/UC9B3TaEUon-araO2j7tp9jg) EDIT: There is a video of it runnin 8088 mph that polpo linked!

<comment><USER3> Exactly. This is a "old is new" kind of design. Back when logic was so expensive as to make computers almost impossible, designs were build around a small number of execution units on a small number of buses and a comparatively compact microcode table that could share them sequentially. So you only needed one adder because the IP increment and ALU operation could share it on different clocks.

Then once there was space to put all the stuff needed for a single instruction on the die, we found ourselves clock-limited by long logic depth and started splitting the functions out across "pipeline" stages, which begat RISC, and we've never looked back.

But all that being said: _this design is totally cheating_. Sure, the _logic_ takes only 308 LUTs. But the microcode is stored in 4 block RAMs, which a quick Google tells me are 36kbit a piece. That's a much more significant chunk of chip resources than is implied in the linked article.

<comment><USER4> Perhaps in terms of _gates_ , but LUTs represent a much larger fraction of resources on an FPGA than the block RAMs. In other words, if you wanted to pack a lot of these onto an FPGA you'd run out of LUTs before block RAM.

<comment><USER3> I'm too lazy to look up numbers for the Kintex-7 part in question, but I'm almost certain you're wrong on this. A block RAM is a _big_ chunk of die, and there are comparatively few of them to go around. A LUT is a tiny object (comparable in computation power to 10-50 dedicated transistors) and there are hundreds of thousands of them on the FPGA.

I'm willing to bet lots that 4/n_block_ram > 308/n_lut.

<comment><USER3> Yeah, I went and looked up. The details are hairy, becuase Xilinx. But a KC7K410T part, which is roughly their mid-range offering has 63550 slices, where IIRC a slice has two LUTs (pay no attention to their "logic cells" number -- that's a normalized thing scaled so as to be linear with the old 4-input LUT design from long ago) and 28620kbit of block RAMs, where each block is 36kbit.

So that design uses 308/(2*63550) =~ 0.2% of the logic resources on the FPGA, but 4/(28620/36) = 0.5% of the RAM.

Not nearly as imbalanced as it sounded to me originally, but still: the LUT numbers are spun by more than a factor of two. The design is more closely equivalent to "640 LUTs". Which interestingly is very comparable to the equivalent transistor count on the original part from Intel.

<comment><USER4> Yes, you were correct. I was working from the bulk stats on the chip and mixed up Kb and KB ;-)

</comment></comment></comment></comment></comment></comment><comment><USER5> > Just how many LUTs is 308? The smallest Kintex-7 FPGA is the K70T with > 65,600 logic cells ("the logic equivalent of a classic 4-input LUT and a > flip-flop" according to User Guide UG474), so we're talking about a resource > consumption of much less than 1% of that very small programmable device.

So...you could put 100 8088 work-alikes on one FPGA?

At the risk of inducing /. nostalgia in the old timers here...can you imagine a Beowulf cluster of these?

<comment><USER6> To put the mind-boggling amount of logic in a contemporary FPGA into perspective, the smallest device in the Kintex-7 family seems to be the XC7K70T...

[http://www.xilinx.com/products/silicon- devices/fpga/kintex-7...](http://www.xilinx.com/products/silicon- devices/fpga/kintex-7.html#productTable) (<\-- HTML overview page at Xilinx)

...which contains 10,250 slices where one slice contains four 6-in-2-out lookup tables and 8 flipflops:

[http://www.xilinx.com/support/documentation/user_guides/ug47...](http://www.xilinx.com/support/documentation/user_guides/ug474_7Series_CLB.pdf) (<\-- family user-guide) [http://imgur.com/viEdQUv](http://imgur.com/viEdQUv) (<\-- png of page 19 with "schematic" of one logic slice)

On page 19: The four boxes on the left are the lookup tables implementing combinatorical logic (A/W/O5/O6/...), the eight squares on the middle/right (D/CE/CK/SR/...) are flipflops (store one bit of data each). There's a bunch of random multiplexers (the trapezoid ones, they choose one output of X inputs) scattered around. This "schematic" is of course simplified ;-).

So, 10250*6/308=199.7 fits the 8088 "IP" 200 times. Of course this is a very naive calculation ignoring any routing between cores or any peripherals to make them do anything useful, and one would use one of such a 8-bit CPU for easy housekeeping tasks, and not 200 of them. But it shows nicely how incredibly dense current FPGAs are.

Of course, just one bare chip will set you back around $120. [https://octopart.com/search?q=XC7K70T](https://octopart.com/search?q=XC7K70T) (<\-- part search)

<comment><USER7> Even more mindboggling: the unreleased Stratix 10 FPGA from Altera claims to have 5,510,000 LUTs in the largest device.

That's a total of 17,889 Intel 8088 Microprocessors.

<comment><USER8> What does one even use that much FPGA for? Any organization that could afford that could probably afford making an ASIC of comparable or better performance.

...That said, that's crazy impressive.

<comment><USER6> One example that comes to mind is data analysis for radioastronomy. With arrays of radiotelescopes, as far as I understand it, you will downconvert an incoming frequency band spanning a few GHz, which gives you a few GByte/sec of data _for_ _each_ _antenna_. Then you might have an array of 50 telescopes (the ALMA array is planned to have 50 or so, I think).

This stream of maybe a TByte/sec of data will then be filtered and decimated/downconverted in real time by racks full of DSP/FPGA boards. Here's a picture of one board used for an Australian facility:

[http://www.atnf.csiro.au/news/newsletter/oct06/CABB.htm](http://www.atnf.csiro.au/news/newsletter/oct06/CABB.htm)

5x Virtex II XC2VP50 (23,616 slices, 2 PowerPC CPU blocks, $1700 each)

5x Virtex 4 XC4VSX55 (15,360 slices, $1300 each)

Yes, an ASIC might be more energy efficient and could be made faster, but FPGAs give you the flexibility to adapt your algorithms and filter topologies. And an ASIC run might cost you half a million dollars whereas with FPGAs you only spend ~15'000$/board.

</comment></comment></comment></comment></comment><comment><USER9> That is so freaking awesome. CPLDs are approaching 308 logic blocks :-). And given the small footprint of the core it suggests you could probably build the entire IBM PC architecture on a single FPGA with CGA or Hercules Mono framebuffer support. Then boot Microsoft Flight Simulator and chortle at how much imagination you needed to use to believe you were flying a plane.

<comment><USER10> Lol, I can't even suspend disbelief and play VGA games from the 1990s. I see the pixels and not the scene. Same with games like Civ 1 or Sim City. I remember playing for ages but now there's no way I can do it.

Maybe the size of my monitor is contributing to this. My DOS gaming days were on 12" and 14" CRTs current play is on 27" LCD.

<comment><USER11> This looks perfectly playable to me [https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qUOEAsCNZiA](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qUOEAsCNZiA)

</comment></comment></comment><comment><USER12> This is sweet. Been a while since I worked in HW after switching to full time SW but this kind of news just makes me chuckle.

Say a modern day FPGA has 10 million gates. 6 gates/LUT. That gives 1.6 million LUTS. Let's say half are used up by other IPs and IOs within the chip. 800k/308 = ~2500.

You could have 2500 of the 8088 running at 180MHz simultaneously. Why? For science.

</comment><comment> david-given I wonder how much extra space it would take to emulate all the weird-ass IBM XT peripherals and end up with a true 8088 embeddable-system-on-a-chip? Plug that into a cheapo SD card (or even a serial EEPROM) and you'd have a standalone machine that would run DOS.

That could actually be _useful_.

</comment><comment><USER13> I haven't done any VHDL in about 9 years. Anyone know of a good site/tutorial to run through that starts out relatively basic and goes through to advanced topics? (bonus points if it has step-by-step instructions for a low cost / free for noncommercial dev environment).

<comment><USER14> Most vendors have free (as in beer) licenses available for their smaller parts.

Check out FreeRangeFactory. They have some good intro books. Not sure how advanced they get (as I do mostly verilog). Feel free to shoot me a message if you get stuck.

</comment></comment><comment><USER15> Let's see 8088mph run on that baby.

<comment><USER16> Okay: [https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=b3GkPGZR4BU](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=b3GkPGZR4BU)

<comment><USER17> Looks like it _mostly_ works, with the exception of a couple of tricky color effects (which have nothing to do with the CPU, and might depend on some composite video tricks).

In particular, the Kefrens bars at 4:42 render completely wrong.

<comment><USER18> The Kefrens bars effect is the part of 8088 MPH that is most sensitive to the instructions being a cycle faster or slower here or there. The MCL86 doesn't claim to have perfect emulation of timing, so I would not necessarily expect this effect to work reliably on it.

<comment><USER19> The artifact colours are quite off as well, so I suspect the card used was not a real IBM CGA card. On my ATi Small Wonder and Paradise PVC4 cards, I get the exact same Kefrens bars, with the top chopped off.

Having said that, the fact that the music slows down noticeable during the moire-effect seems to indicate that indeed some instructions are a few cycles off here and there.

</comment></comment></comment></comment></comment><comment><USER20> I'm curious why it only runs at 180MHz on a Kintex-7. The Kintex-7 can do 32-bit additions at 400-500MHz, so it's odd to see an 8088 running at less than half that. The article mentions that removing the cycle accurate constraint would allow it to run faster, so perhaps that's why.

<comment><USER21> In theses solutions you're less interested in raw performance(you could go with one of their hybrid ARM-FPGA cores in that case) then keeping LUTs small so that the FPGA can use them for things that it's good at. Processors like these are kinda like the glue for larger parts.

</comment></comment><comment><USER22> I'm sorry... IP? LUT?

EDIT: Thanks for the explanations, guys!

<comment><USER23> For some reason, in the hardware design world, we use "IP" to mean "a self- contained functional block of hardware that we have developed". It probably derives from 'intellectual property' (i.e., 'we bought some IP from $VENDOR to handle HDMI', and then eventually 'we bought _an_ IP from $VENDOR to handle HDMI').

A LUT is, more or less, the smallest logical element on an FPGA (a piece of programmable hardware) -- it's a Look-Up Table. They're not directly comparable from FPGA to FPGA, because some FPGAs have different sizes; in the early days, LUTs had 3 inputs and produced one output, but on modern FPGAs, 'LUT4's (4 input, 1 output) are the smallest that you'll reasonably get, and some FPGAs even use 'LUT6's (6 input, 1 output; sometimes divisible into 5 input, 2 output, or other subdivisions) as their basic logic element. But no matter how you slice it, 308 LUTs is impressively small, especially for 180MHz.

</comment></comment><comment><USER24> i'm curious why it only runs at 180MHz on a Kintex-7. The Kintex-7 can do 32-bit additions at 400-500MHz, so it's odd to see an 8088 running at less than half that. The article mentions that removing the cycle accurate constraint would allow it to run faster, so perhaps that's why.

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</comment><comment><USER25> This is pretty cool, and should remind everyone that the 8088 and even the Zilog80 CPUs are still relevant and used to this day.

<comment><USER17> Z80? Yes. 8088? Eh, not really.

You may be confusing the 8088 CPU with the 8051 microcontroller, which is extremely common in embedded designs.

</comment></comment><comment><USER26> Incidentally, the smallest model organism with a nervous system, C. elegans, has 302 neurons.

Coincidence? Don't think so.

</comment><comment><USER27> Sweet Jesus

<comment><USER28> Why? I haven't played with an FPGA since University, so I'm really disconnected from this world. So what does this article mean?

<comment><USER21> 308 is an incredibly small amount of LUTs, might even fit in a CPLD.

<comment><USER29> You could fit 200+ 8088's on the smallest version of the FPGA family they used.

<comment><USER30> Oh wow, now I really want to see a 200-core-8088-on-FPGA! (Yeah, I know, the necessary NoC and glue would add a ton of overhead. But still!)

<comment><USER31> Even better than 88s: [http://fpga.org/grvi-phalanx/](http://fpga.org/grvi- phalanx/)

</comment></comment></comment></comment></comment></comment><comment><USER24> Robert Chao is what many of us dreamed we'd become when we first started engineering school. We loved technology. We knew we were intelligent. We wanted to build our skills and increase our knowledge. We wanted to apply that education along with our natural passion and talent to solve important problems. We craved that creative rush, that eureka moment when we realized we had a slightly better idea, an improvement, a challenge to the status quo. We wanted to change the world - one transistor at a time.

For most of us, Dr. Moore had other plans.

For the past four decades, Robert Chao has remained indifferent to the cataclysmic vortex of Moore's Law. His first patent (4215281), filed in February 1978 on behalf of Supertex Semiconductor (of which he was a founder), was for a CMOS integrated circuit - a single-chip solution that provided the platform enabling the ubiquitous home smoke detector.

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</comment><comment><USER32> I know at least a dozen of these words.</comment>


Good Riddance, Internet Explorer - <AUTHOR> https://vivaldi.com/blog/good-riddance-internet-explorer/ <comment><AUTHOR> I still remember those times in the early noughties where MSIE6, MSIE5 and MSIE4 was always a concern when doing the silly JavaScript tricks, where each browser had a slightly different way of accessing the DOM tree.

However, as I'm reading this in 2020, I cannot stop but think of Google (incl. YouTube) doing the exact same tricks to all the browser vendors that Microsoft and MSN did to Opera and Mozilla back in the day. (Why in this day and age is User-Agent sniffing still the way so many services do business?! Including those provided by Google itself?!)

Not to mention the inconvenient fact that Chromium pretty much has the monopoly nowadays; Vivaldi itself is based on Chromium, so, they can't quite go around badmouthing it, either. The bigger issue today is with the `User- Agent` strings -- neither Vivaldi nor Brave have their own, and even SeaMonkey is forced to pretend to be Firefox, else, none of the major websites would work. So, when you look at all these web counters nowadays on browser share, Brave, Vivaldi, and probably a bunch of other Chromium-based browsers, cannot be tracked, and may look exactly the same as Google Chrome, creating a self- fulfilling prophecy.</comment>


Would the economy be better off without MBA students? - <AUTHOR> http://www.economist.com/debate/days/view/900 <comment><USER3> Having an MBA myself (nowhere near from a top-10 school, although friends who have gone to better schools report similar curricula) I don't see B-Schools teaching/reinforcing what it is to be a "manager".

I think the MBA does a disservice because it often either doesn't teach "people management" at all or (worse?) reinforces hard-core Taylorism ([http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Scientific_management#Taylor.27...](http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Scientific_management#Taylor.27s_view_of_workers)). We get disastrous manage-by-the-numbers and "us vs. them" mentality, ultimately devaluing the role of the manager! If all you need to manage is a report that says how many widgets employee X made relative to compensation you can automate away most management.

Yes, under that definition (not all MBA programs are like that, but it seems the majority are), I think the MBA is bad for the US economy. It promotes underperformance, lack of innovation, and sucks up resources that could better be spent elsewhere.

Instead, they should teach Drucker-ism (<http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Peter_Drucker>) and Organizational Systems Theory (<http://managementhelp.org/organizations/systems.htm>).

Managers can and do amazing things by enabling their coworkers to scale better by:

* Removing roadblocks that get in their way

* Listen to, and allow employees to change and shape the culture

* Coach coworkers to improve skills and develop flow

* Help mentor and guide the organization as it scales up

Though, we need far fewer of them if we leave it to stuff like this. It allows organizations to be a lot flatter and scale better without dedicated managers, putting causing downward demand on managers so it seems something most MBA programs won't adopt. Still, it would prevent wholesale manager-bankruptcy that I envision is the future for the "managing" class in most businesses.

<comment><USER4> An aside: As of this comment, that wikipedia article on scientific management needs some serious work.

<comment><USER5> Continuing off-topic:

It's vandalism. I just did an hour of procrastinatory cyberstalking, it's the work of a high schooler in Ohio. Probably vandalizing articles they read for class.

Speculation: if not just out of frustration, perhaps sabotage against classmates reading later? Is that a thing now?

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Last good revision:

[http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Scientific_managem...](http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Scientific_management&oldid=521213480)

<comment><USER6> While working as a teacher I came to the conclusion that links to wikipedia should in most cases include a known good revision number in the url.

<comment><USER7> That's actually a great idea. Wonder if this can/should be made more well- known through the wiki software?

For example, maybe all Wiki article paths should redirect to a specific version? E.g. if I go to "wiki/tree" I'll get "wiki/tree/1101" which is the version number. Then, every page can have a message at the top saying "to get to the latest revision, click here". (Just an off-the-top-of-my-head idea of how to do this).

</comment></comment></comment></comment></comment><comment><USER8> This floored me:

"The professionalisation of management has, some argue, been the single biggest factor behind the economic advancements of the past 100 years."

Not electricity, rapid transportation, semiconductors/computers, telephones, the assembly line, or public investment in research. Professionalization of management. Mmkay.

<comment><USER9> well the operative word is "economic" .. you may have all of the above but without commercial acumen there is nothing economic.

<comment><USER10> You can have economies without commercial acumen. And you can gain commercial acumen without a college education. Many have done this by growing fruit and then selling it.

</comment></comment></comment><comment><USER11> The MBA credential is but one special case of general 'degree pollution', overinvestment in credentials as relative-rank signalling. See for example this analysis:

[http://econlog.econlib.org/archives/2012/09/degree_pollutio....](http://econlog.econlib.org/archives/2012/09/degree_pollutio.html)

As suggested there (including the author's expansions in the comments), when an activity confers private benefits but at a cost in negative externalities, a traditional economic/policy response is to tax the activity in proportion to its net externalities. So perhaps excessive upper-level/professional degrees should be taxed, rather than subsidized. (That is, tax the degrees themselves, _not_ any consequential rise in income, if any.)

</comment><comment><USER12> On one of the toilet paper dispensers at my college someone had written;

"Pull for Arts Degree."

Underneath it someone else wrote. "Wipe for Business Degree."

</comment><comment><USER13> Would the economy be better off without "insert the people you don't like here"

Film at 11.

Works with : \- politicians \- lawyers \- liberals \- libertarians \- communists \- the military industrial conglomerate

Also work with any minority or any ethnic group, although it may result in classifying you with a special tag which is generally frowned upon.

<comment><USER14> That's not an accurate characterization of the article at all. It's not asking whether managers are valuable; it's asking whether a popular way of training managers is valuable. It's an excellent question.

<comment><USER15> But it _is_ accurate re: the linkbait title.

</comment></comment></comment><comment><USER16> > Free markets are generally good at determining value, and for decades the > market for young business leaders has given a strong vote of confidence to > the graduates of top MBA programmes.

The opposition's entire argument hinges on this one sentence, but they supply no evidence to refute the idea that this segment doesn't behave like a free market at all. As the moderator pointed out, there's no reason to believe that this is anything other than the effect of the "old boys' network".

The opposition needs to come at this from another angle - to show that an MBA gives advantage to the holder in such a way that it isn't clearly an effect of networking rather than learning. Unless they can do that, I will remain unconvinced. I will, however, admit that this a big ask. Performance of business leaders is difficult to measure in a meaningful way.

<comment><USER17> Worse, he's conflated merit with value-at-market.

Hayek taught us to be smarter than that, dammit. I'd expect a good MBA to know that.

</comment></comment><comment><USER18> so, i dropped out of Dean Danos' program just hours before moving to New Hampshire.

i have the utmost respect for his program and the people they admit - <USER2> i met seemed highly intelligent and extremely driven. it may yet be in my future. to anyone interested in an MBA - take a long look at Tuck. i was admitted to several elite schools and this one stood out to me. it felt the most like a family, which is what i wanted. for me, a poor 27 year old (relative to the typical MBA entrant) with a strong interest in early-stage technology, the arithmetic didn't make sense. i had a moment, late in the evening before leaving Boston for good, where i saw into a future in which i was saddled with extreme debt and forced to make decisions about where to work and what career to pursue based upon a pending loan payment rather than a passion. it would take several years post-mba to pay off the debt over which i'd begin adding expense to my life e.g. kids, house, marriage, car... i'd likely earn a great deal of money (by my measure) and i'd find myself in a strange mix of being stuck, due to circumstance, but also comfortable and content. i would pay my loans off but, would i realistically be willing/able to leave that lifestyle? the answer to me was clearly, "no." so, the choice was: take extreme risk now, when i have no baggage and next to nothing to lose or, take extreme risk never. i wasn't comfortable with the latter option. explaining this decision to my parents was a horrific experience.

</comment><comment><USER19> I'm surprised no one has said it. Experienced programmers should manage programmers, experienced professors should manage university affairs. Not a freakin MBA! Let's have people learn how to do useful work. Then, the people who have the experience will be able to lead the others. We need more engineers, more computer scientists, more scientists. Not MBAs.

<http://thedailywtf.com/>

</comment><comment><USER10> This is the "IT certification" argument all over again. Paper MBAs are as useful as paper MCSEs. Who's more valuable to your startup, someone with a degree/certification learning about what you need, or someone with years of experience doing what you need?

<comment><USER20> Or someone who is smart, hard working, and willing+capable to be flexible in their roles and responsibilities?

</comment></comment><comment><USER21> The oppositions opening remarks do not, in fact, refute the motion. Instead of talking about how MBA's benefit the economy as a whole he talks about how MBA's benefit the individuals who obtain an MBA degree.

<comment><USER22> It's a similar problem when you think about the number of lawyers in America. Individual lawyers and MBAs can have handsome incomes while being a net drain on the economy.

Anybody who has been on the receiving end of a frivolous lawsuit can understand how that's true for lawyers. But it's less obvious for MBAs. A good example, though, is Simmons Mattress:

[http://www.nytimes.com/2009/10/05/business/economy/05simmons...](http://www.nytimes.com/2009/10/05/business/economy/05simmons.html?pagewanted=all&_r=0)

</comment></comment><comment><USER23> >> Similarly, demand for slots in the top programmes is extraordinarily competitive

This is something I picked out from the article in a quick skim. And sums it up pretty well.

If you can get into a top 10 business school, the consensus is it's worth it. If not, it may be wise to skip it.

As always, the truth lies somewhere in the middle.

<comment><USER24> I wonder how much benefit an MBA from a top school gives beyond signaling. If you are admitted into Harvard/Stanford/Wharton/etc you've been successful early on in your career. It seems to me that pursuing an MBA at that point is an extremely risk averse move. Credentialing for the sake of credentialing.

While there are tons of successful graduates of top MBA programs, it may be a function of who is admitted and not a function of the value added by the program.

<comment><USER25> Most people on hacker news don't realize that within business there is a huge amount of types of business jobs. Most people go to business school to switch to a new type of business job. About 40% come from engineering because they realize they hate it and want to do something making more money with less hours.

If you had a great job, lets say Investment Banking, you may go to a top business school to switch to Private Equity. To an hacker those don't sound different, but they are worlds apart.

The biggest benefit to getting an MBA is that it gives you an excuse to interview with whatever company you want to. It gives you the opportunity to really change your path. Few other places do that.

<comment><USER26> I completely agree but isn't this really a failing of our current world/society? Many of our best and brightest spend huge amounts of money and two years of their life just so they can have an excuse/opportunity to apply themselves in a different field. Seems like there's something wrong here, no?

<comment><USER27> I really think you don't understand what wtvanhest is saying. Business is a really big subject. They don't go to school for two years to change from being an accountant to becoming a controller. It is much more equalent to going to school for two years to change from electrical engineering to chemical engineering. Sure the basics are the same but after that they are worlds apart.

</comment></comment></comment></comment></comment><comment><USER28> There are two types of MBAs ... a) people who can already "get stuff done" and then went on to add an MBA to their credentials b) people that have no other skills and (IMHO), no underpinnings for their new business knowledge. I think the second type is typified by someone that goes to college in business for their undergrad degree and moves straight into the MBA program.

I don't know what the current climate is, but early in the last decade, MBAs were about half the salary of a good programmer. It was economical to hire one for about every 2-3 programmers just to offload some of their non-programming tasks (updating MS Project schedules, specifications, etc - and yes ... it was BDUF).

</comment><comment><USER29> Very interesting debate format. I like it! Great way to combine the strengths of the internet with expert opinions.

<comment><USER30> I agree, I'm more interested in this innovative design than the debate itself.

It gets me thinking as well, like what if people for and against the issue could vote up comments independently. So you get the the agreed talking points on both sides of the issue facing off against each other.

</comment></comment><comment><USER31> There's another dimension to be looked at here - especially in India's case. I'm currently enrolled in a Bschool and my class mostly comprises of students from an engineering background. Most of them have joined an MBA program to switch careers. Their primary argument is that they were forced to do engineering and when they figured out that they'd rather be doing something else it was too late. Since none of them wanted to spend their early life debugging code for big IT company (read: TCS, infosys) they preferred to do an MBA program.

</comment><comment><USER32> I think that MBA's teach a very valuable thing (also found in undergraduate commerce degrees): How to efficiently and effectively work with different types of people in teams.

No one ever addresses this issue when talking about the bad aspects of MBAs.

</comment><comment><USER33> Solid advice from the comment section in the article: "Major in business? Just read Business Week and the Economist every week and you'll pick up more than you will in a business program. Major in something worthwhile."

<comment><USER34> An undergraduate degree in business isn't that useful by itself. An engineering degree will buy you a lot more credibility down the line, no matter what you end up doing. But the real money isn't in being an engineer-- it's in finance, operations, and strategic management. So the MBA is still crucial--it allows you to transition between the two domains.

<comment><USER35> Do you really think an MBA is that important for operations?

I sometimes think it would be fun to get one (although, since I dropped out of MBA undergrad, the only easy way for me to get one is LSE or LBS or another UK or EU school).

I know finance to the extent of "how to read a balance sheet", run a startup, or do very basic investment analysis, but nothing really exciting. If an MBA actually would be useful for something beyond credentialing in operations/management, I might consider it more.

</comment></comment></comment><comment><USER36> Wow, take that Betteridge's Law!

</comment><comment><USER37> Interesting comment on the problem of MBA programs: <http://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=2470694>

</comment><comment><USER38> yes

</comment><comment><USER39> YES. More importantly, the economy would be better off without the reason why an MBA has some value -- too much government-induced bureaucratization.

</comment><comment><USER40> This question totally retarded and I'm incredulous that the economist entertained it. Would the economy be better without MBAs? Really? There are people out there who are trying to tell other people that the entire economy would be much better without a small group of people spending another couple of years at university learning more about business? A better question might be 'Would a startup be better off with out MBAs?' or something more specific. But to try and claim that the entire economy would be better off because a tiny proportion of young people decided to do a masters is incomprehensible. Disclaimer: I have an MBA.

<comment><USER22> It's a serious question. Did you even read the article?

Not all that many people do law degrees, but the Economist has repeatedly covered studies that suggest the number of lawyers we have is well above the economic optimum, that having too many lawyers harms the economy.

Further, since you have an MBA, you should be fully aware that the tiny number of MBA holders have wildly disproportionate influence on the economy. As the article says at the beginning, 40% of Fortune 500 CEOs hold an MBA. So it's entirely reasonable to ask whether the degree, like a law degree, is really benefiting everybody. Perhaps it mainly benefits MBA-holders at the expense of others.

</comment></comment><comment><USER41> Of all the useless, worthless, pants-on-head retarded degrees out there, why have they chosen to rant on business degree?

At the very least, a business degree would be theoretically applicable for doing work in the real world. Why isn't this discussion about art, history, or political science majors?

<comment><USER22> Because this is The Economist?

Further, the harm, if any, of most degrees is to the person who pays for it. People are generally allowed to do stupid things that don't hurt others. But Mintzberg and others argue that the harm caused by MBAs is to the economy, while individual MBA-holders profit. That would be a tragedy-of-the-commons situation, which isn't self-correcting.

<comment><USER42> MBA's are different than people with degrees in Sociology. They tend to hire other MBA's, and stuff organizations with fellow MBA buddies. They damage things.

IMO, the problem is that these degrees give you the technical tools needed to function as a manager, but fall short in developing leadership skills -- which is bad news when companies automatically place McKinsey alums with top X MBA's in influential positions.</comment></comment></comment>


Has anyone used asynchronous video based collaboration tools? - <AUTHOR> Has anyone used asynchronous video based collaboration tools? Does that help cut down on daily meetings time.
I work remotely for a company and a lot of our time is wasted on daily syncs, brainstorming sessions. While these looked important when we were in an office setting pre covid, these feel redundant and  hamper my productivity. Slack was fine but it does not do any justice to the tone of the message.
I would love your thoughts on this. <comment><USER2> Video engineer here, I've been supporting a lot of Zoom recently, but have been in the space since the Polycom / Tandberg days. Which tools do you have in mind as far as asynchronous video?

<comment><AUTHOR> Okay. So there are tools like loom that can be used. Vidyard is also good. Although, they do focus on creating single videos and sharing them via links. There is another new tool called vlokit which has tried to provide structure to the video collection kind of like snapchat stories.

To some extent, it solves the video challenge but the other challenge definitely is educating your team to switch to these new tools, which is a bit tricky.

</comment></comment><comment><USER3> Only thing my team uses is recorded demos.</comment>