Why Tufte Is Flat-Out Wrong about Pie Charts - <AUTHOR> http://speakingppt.com/2013/03/18/why-tufte-is-flat-out-wrong-about-pie-charts/ <comment><USER2> The author is obviously more interested in telling entertaining stories (in the boardroom) than telling the truth.

Tufte is not only about data viz. and powerpoint bashing. Integrity is central to his work.

I would not trust someone who present me a graph like in the second example (whether as a pie chart or as a bar chart). There is no way to know if the classes have the same attendance. Hence his conclusions could be completely wrong.

</comment><comment><USER3> I don't think I've seen such a collection of bad graphs in one article in a long time. I think that every single one of those graphs could be done better - which is really quite impressive.

<comment><USER4> How would you improve them? (In the context of the boardroom presentations he references.)

<comment><USER3> The first dataset is so simple that no chart is appropriate. "Companies A and B control two-thirds of the market". Big text. Done.

The second dataset could be done better with stacked bars (eg, [https://i.imgur.com/oGzIKED.png](https://i.imgur.com/oGzIKED.png)). The author seems to think stripping temporal data is a virtue here, for some reason, when it clearly isn't.

The third dataset should be presented with a heatmap on a state (or county) level, a la [https://projects.fivethirtyeight.com/mortality-rates- united-...](https://projects.fivethirtyeight.com/mortality-rates-united- states/)

<comment><USER5> Heatmaps on state and county levels are really difficult to get right.

For one thing, the dataset does not do a good job of conveying uncertainty, specifically that caused by low-population counties. The second-highest mortality rate county - Buffalo, South Dakota - has a population of 1,912 people, and the "City" which is the county seat is remarkably the least populous county seat in the US with a population of 14. The various mountainous locations (appearing to be mostly ski towns) in Colorado which top the list of lowest-mortality counties have similarly low populations.

For another, size and population density are often misleading. That small, orange blotch in the lower left? That's LA County, with a population greater than the 10 lowest-population states combined (including such large areas as Montana, North and South Dakota, Alaska). Information in these low-population areas is over-represented, while the largest cities are under-represented.

I suppose those caveats are just something to be aware of. Because I don't know of a good solution for to how to accurately and concisely convey this sort of information.

</comment></comment></comment></comment><comment><USER6> "Especially as pie charts become smaller, and you need to use a lot of them, pie charts can communicate percentages much more quickly than bar graphs."

I'd prefer a heat map, instead of having to look at many little pie charts.

</comment><comment><USER7> This article actually shows why Tufte is right, repeatedly, in some sort of delicious graphical irony.

</comment><comment><USER5> The site seems to be suffering a bit - here's the archive: [https://archive.fo/jpPjF](https://archive.fo/jpPjF) (better that cache because the images are important).</comment>


Ask HN: How does a programmer also help out with BizDev? - <AUTHOR>

I like programming but I have a unique perspective on business problems in general (family of business owners).<p>What should a programmer know about bizdev? <comment><USER2> You should know that you are a one man team. Go out and build products and sell the products you build. It's good to be a programmer with biz dev skills.

<comment><AUTHOR> what are your favorite biz dev skills?

</comment></comment><comment><USER3> Symbiotic software partnerships. Your added value as a programmer is ever increasing with the growing importance and availability of APIs on the web.

These get you in front of customers. They add value to both softwares. I'd recommend an article like this: <http://digitalcapitalism.com/2009/04/api- marketing/></comment>


Search Engine for Sci-Hub - <AUTHOR> https://medco.io <comment><USER2> This is dope!</comment>


Domain name registrar scams have increased from China - <AUTHOR> Just got hit with a scam from a Chinese registrar company [1] telling me that my domain name in other countries (eg. domain.cn or domain.com.dn) is being taken over by a Chinese company.
After doing some research [2] this is a complete scam. Since  CNNIC registry announced that the Chinese .CN domains were public, these sort of scams have increased significantly.
If you do see these kinds of scams, I would highly recommend reporting it to the FBI internet fraud team here: https://www.fbi.gov/scams-and-safety/common-fraud-schemes/internet-fraud
[1] http://eyis.org.cn [2] http://www.makeuseof.com/tag/spot-chinese-domain-name-scam/ <comment><USER2> These have been everywhere for a while. If you file a trademark, they'll send these to you too.

Rule of thumb is to ignore them and only register domains directly with a trustworthy registrar(not links you click on in an email).

<comment><USER3> You don't need to file a trademark for this. I did get plenty of those for domains I own in the last 10 years. There was even one "company" which did send me snail mails for this.

<comment><USER2> > You don't need to file a trademark for this.

I didn't say that. I said they ALSO do this if you file a trademark.

</comment></comment></comment><comment><USER3> This 'scam' is really old and I am not sure if this is scammy enough to bother the FBI with that.</comment>


'Father is Surgeon,' '1 mil pledge': The Role of Money in USC Admissions - <AUTHOR> https://www.wsj.com/articles/father-is-surgeon-1-mil-pledge-the-role-of-money-in-usc-admissions-11567548124?mod=rsswn <comment><USER2> I grew up thinking our world was egalitarian, but as an adult I see how untrue that is. I long for a society where privilege is not so pronounced. Where no one is so wealthy while others starve. We don't live in that world yet, but I do believe it's possible. We need to grow in to something better. The old ways aren't working for all but a few of us.

<comment><USER3> This is such a popular sentiment lately, and I really have no idea where it comes from. The world is getting better by basically any objective metric at an incredible pace. Far fewer people are starving than at any time in history, and even that number only looks to be shrinking as we gaze out into the immediate future.

There are problems to be sure. But if your goal is eliminating poverty...well..we're already doing that quite rapidly. It seems more like this sentiment comes from envy of the super-rich, rather than compassion for the extremely poor. And that I understand, but it doesn't seem to me to be a very good reason to reshape civilization.

<comment><USER4> > The world is getting better by basically any objective metric at an > incredible pace.

I think "basically any" is overselling it (particularly when combined with "incredible pace")

Climate change is hard to overlook, for example.

Income inequality is rising. That leads to more of the kind of statements you're objecting to.

<comment><USER2> Thank you. The potential destruction of the majority of living species on earth is hardly an improvement!

<comment><USER3> While that's true...if you were to redistribute the wealth of the world's richest people to the world's poorest, you would accelerate climate change by at least an order of magnitude over night.

<comment><USER5> Nobody is suggesting doing that specifically.

It's not inequality per se that's at fault, but a system that serves the powerful thus increasing it.

As long as such a system is in place the powerful will exploit it for their gain disregarding casualties like the environment.

<comment><USER3> Except that as I said, things are getting better for the world's poorest at an incredible rate. So, if your concern is the world's poorest, you probably don't want to mess with the current system too much.

If you do still want to mess with the current system, you probably aren't actually concerned with helping the poor.

<comment><USER5> That's a false equivalence, because you're assuming that this system is the only one which benefits the poor.

The worlds poorest will suffer from climate change the most and this system is only making it worse.

They may be (ostensibly) better off now, but their children certainly won't.

<comment><USER3> > That's a false equivalence, because you're assuming that this system is the > only one which benefits the poor.

I'm not assuming that, i'm merely stating that this one does. If your goal is to benefit the poor, and you have a system that does so, you should be happy. If you are not happy, it is not because you are upset about poverty.

> The worlds poorest will suffer from climate change the most and this system > is only making it worse.

Yes, and unfortunately mitigating climate change is directly at odds with alleviating their poverty. It's a tricky problem.

<comment><USER5> > If your goal is to benefit the poor, and you have a system that does so, you > should be happy.

Problem is these benefits are superficial. On one hand you get cell phones and cheap flights, on the other rivers of plastic and land devastated by mining.

And it isn't even worth it, because a large part of the profit inevitably goes to those responsible for this devastation, so wealth is actually extracted from these places.

> Yes, and unfortunately mitigating climate change is directly at odds with > alleviating their poverty.

It is in this system only, which allows it in the name of profits for the powerful.

<comment><USER3> > Problem is these benefits are superficial. On one hand you get cell phones > and cheap flights, on the other rivers of plastic and land devastated by > mining.

It's not superficial to the people that are no longer starving and dying of preventable diseases.

> And it isn't even worth it, because a large part of the profit inevitably > goes to those responsible for this devastation, so wealth is actually > extracted from these places.

So, it's not worth lifting people out of poverty if some other people also get rich?

> It is in this system only, which allows it in the name of profits for the > powerful.

You think you've got a design for a social system that would lift more people out of poverty while harming the environment less? I'm all ears.

<comment><USER2> > You think you've got a design for a social system that would lift more > people out of poverty while harming the environment less? I'm all ears.

If you're actually serious, look up Communalism or Murray Bookchin. There are in fact real and detailed ideas about alternatives that would still lift people out of poverty without a wealthy class extracting wealth from those places and people.

<comment><USER3> Ok. I looked this up a bit, it seems to essentially be a variant of anarcho- syndicalism. The essential conceit of which appears to be "we're going to do centralized planning, but local, so it'll be good instead of bad". It's unclear to me why this would substantially resolve any of the serious criticisms of central planning (calculation problem, local knowledge problem, etc.)

</comment></comment></comment></comment></comment></comment></comment></comment></comment></comment></comment></comment></comment><comment><USER6> This isn't even in the same ballpark as the Rick Singer stuff. Bribing a coach to use his influence to get you admitted is waaaaaay worse than donating money to a school with the (universal!) understanding that this will help your kid's chances.

<comment><USER7> Why is bribing a coach worse than bribing a university?

<comment><USER8> Because when you donate to a university, that money goes into either improving the university (new buildings or renovations and updated equipment) or helping with university expenses such as maintenance. i.e. it subsidizes the cost of attending the university for everyone at the expense of a very few wealthy families.

When you just bribe the coach, it helps no one but the coach.

<comment><USER9> Again, whether "it benefits everyone" or "private universities should be allowed to use whatever criteria they want" \-- I don't care for arguments about whether the ends justify the means. I'm arguing that the act itself is immoral.

You are paying money to {univeristy|coach}, with the expectation that (a) the payment will help your kid's admissions prospects, and (b) {university|coach} will maintain the facade that money did not have any influence.

That's bribery.

<comment><USER6> > {university|coach} will maintain the facade that money did not have any > influence

That's not really true though. For the coach, sure, as the payments happen is secret. But for the school? If I buy Harvard a new building and get my name put on it, everybody knows about it, _and nobody is surprised when my kid gets admitted._

</comment></comment></comment></comment></comment><comment><USER10> It's a private school. I don't understand the issue.

<comment><USER11> It might not be a legal issue, but it can still be a moral one. We should try to make this society at least somewhat meritocratic.

<comment><USER10> How do Women's schools fit into that?

<comment><USER12> ...the same way men's schools do?

<comment><USER10> Not suggesting that there is anything wrong with women's schools ... just pointing out that nothing in life is a meritocracy.

<comment><USER12> You're right in that pure meritocracy without bias doesn't exist. It never has, and probably never will. However, the post you replied to argued that we should strive for a more meritocratic society, and I think we can all agree that some societies are more meritocratic than others. That's what I take issue with on your point.

I challenge you to name a perfect system in the universe that was created by a human. Just because perfection doesn't truly exist doesn't mean we shouldn't strive for it anyway. Or else what's the point in even being here?

</comment></comment></comment></comment></comment></comment><comment><USER13> I'm not sure that the defense, "But other people were doing it, even with the school's approval!" Is much of a defense here. Other people doing bad things generally doesn't exempt a person from prosecution for their own bad actions. That the school was soliciting such bribes just means they may have their own criminal liability.

<comment><USER14> What is the crime for exchanging legal goods and services in exchange for payment?

<comment><USER13> Nothing is wrong, by definition, with legal exchanges. The crux of the argument here is specifically that this quid-pro-quo was _not_ legal, that it was obtained or solicited fraudulently.

</comment></comment></comment><comment><USER15> As an employer, I'll take a hard luck scrappy fighter from some obscure midwest school over these cream puff shoo-ins any day...

<comment><USER10> As an employer I don't even consider the university you attended. It's meaningless to me.

<comment><USER16> Really? You don't see a different in regionally accredited or non-accredited schools?

</comment></comment></comment><comment><USER9> I found it difficult to get upset over the original scandal knowing that this was considered the "correct" way to buy an admission. In my view, either both of these should be considered fraud/bribery and outlawed, or neither of them should be.

<comment><USER13> It's not completely egalitarian, insider influence plays an out-sized role in many areas of society, but that doesn't mean it is the _only_ thing that matters. In the US at least, we still live in a society that has historically unprecedented (though unfortunately dwindling) class mobility. It's easy to look at the college scandal and think that's the only way anyone gets in, but in reality that only represents a fraction (perhaps a sizable one, but not the majority) of things.

<comment><USER9> I'm not trying to claim that this is a huge problem, I'm trying to make a principled argument: I don't think there is a big difference between donating to a school and bribing a coach. Both of these things are bribery.

The reason the former is considered acceptable is because the universities have spent decades making us think that this is a normal, reasonable thing. And telling us not to worry, because they would _never_ allow themselves to be influenced by a donation when making admissions decisions. This is plainly false. University administrators are fucking hypocrites.

<comment><USER13> I can't disagree with any of what you wrote. I agree with it all. I just want to avoid the generalization that that's how _everything_ works or how _everyone_ "gets ahead" in life.

</comment></comment></comment></comment><comment><USER17> Did anyone else notice the reframing the article ends on? It spends every paragraph on 7-figure donations, then concludes with a quote that no one cares about families that make $100k donations.

Clearly Mr. Brunold wants people to focus on the $50k to $100k donation range that doesn't grant an admissions advantage, but no one seems to care about those other than him (and maybe the WSJ).

</comment><comment><USER18> Anecdotal data point here: I happen to know for a fact that "donated" cash has gotten students into USC as far back as the 1960's.

</comment><comment><USER19> College admissions should be anonymous and strictly based on standardized tests.

<comment><USER20> How can you possibly anonymise college admissions. Interview behind a curtain?

<comment><USER21> Many universities don't require interviews. Most state schools don't.

<comment><USER20> That seems worse - reducing them to raw data rather than giving them a chance to explain where they're coming from and what they want to get out of the course?

<comment><USER21> Interviews tend to favor wealthy, white applicants. Who do you think is going to leave a better impression on the interviewer: someone from an upper class family that has been coached in manners most of their life, knows what to wear, and has practiced these interviews? Or someone from a very different cultural background?

Furthermore, the Harvard case has also demonstrated that interviews are used as a tool to suppress the chances of Asian applicants. While it may seem cold to reduce candidates to their applications, if the goal is to provide a consistent admissions process interviews are not a good choice.</comment></comment></comment></comment></comment>


Ask HN: Is Svbtle Dead? - <AUTHOR> <comment><USER2> Nope.

Working on it right now, in fact.

<comment><USER3> Just maintenance, or are there new features planned?

<comment><USER2> First maintenance, then fixing bugs, and finally new features.

</comment></comment></comment><comment><USER4> It's definitely not dead. My best guess is that it simply lost the popularity contest to Medium. Svbtle's influence cannot be understated, however, in my opinion. I've seen a number of independent bloggers using their own "kudos circle" (inspired by the Svbtle feature)

<comment><USER5> >cannot be understated

I think you may have one negation too many there.

<comment><USER4> Hahaha, no kidding! :D Overstated is what I meant to say.

</comment></comment></comment><comment><USER6> [https://svbtle.com/promise](https://svbtle.com/promise)

</comment><comment><USER7> I didn't even realise that they had launched to the public. In my mind they were an invitation-only blogging service.

</comment><comment><USER3> I see why you think it might be dead, given that it stays quiet in the background and gets out of your way (as opposed to Medium for example), but that's the whole point of Svbtle.

Svbtle puts the _content_ first - the content is the end game, where as Medium puts itself first; the Medium brand itself is put first; the content is just an afterthought.

<comment><USER8> I think OP was more pointing out that, at least from the outside, the product and its features appear unchanged from several years ago.

I tried Svbtle myself, and while I like the product aesthetically and conceptually, customization features that I really wanted like adding custom tracker tags just weren't there yet. I chose to keep using Ghost for now.

</comment></comment><comment><USER9> I would say Svbtle had gone experimenting. At some point I decided I wanted to be a part of something livelier and more inclusive and announced in a review of Book Worm Lab [http://ratedbystudents.com/services/bookwormlab](http://ratedbystudents.com/services/bookwormlab) Svbtle dead too. But now I'm using it again:)</comment>


1000-core Processor Simulator, Compiler, Libraries, and Applications - <AUTHOR> http://rigelproject.github.com

<comment><AUTHOR> Hi all,

We've just opened up a large fraction of the tools we've developed as part of the Rigel project[1] at UIUC. The goal of the project is to investigate several aspects of efficient many-core processors, including microarchitecture, architecture, compiler optimization, and programming models. To this end, we've built an execution-driven simulator, LLVM-based cross-compiler toolchain, libraries, and parallel applications all targeting a common baseline architecture, Rigel.

With these tools, you should be able to simulate cross-compiled parallel programs running on 1024 cores by the end of the quick start guide. We are working hard to release the rest of what we have internally, including more benchmarks and an RTL model of the core.

When we started the project in 2007, there really wasn't much tooling available to do the kind of cross-cutting studies we wanted to do. While many existing projects have improved since then, and many new interesting tools have come about, we've found it very useful to have an _integrated_ set of tools targeting an ISA we define. It has allowed us to easily evaluate, for example, the effect of instruction set extensions on hardware efficiency, performance, compiler optimizations, and the application programming experience.

I'll stick around and answer any questions folks might have; we're excited to work with people to improve these tools, and are actively looking for users and contributors.

[1] <https://rigel.crhc.illinois.edu/></comment>


Johnny Lee creates a headtracking VR system with a TV and a Wii-mote - <AUTHOR> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Jd3-eiid-Uw

<comment><USER2> Johnny Lee needs to get hired by someone.

</comment><comment><USER3> A very cool hack!

I wonder how widely used head tracking systems are for gaming? I saw one at my friends, who plays a lot of flight simulators on his PC, and I guess basically the technology was quite similar to the Wii remote - IR-leds and a camera.

</comment><comment><USER4> Side note if you were to mount a camera on the hat/goggles and show the stream on VR goggles others could "share" the same experience.

<comment><USER5> The same, minus control over your view. It's a very important difference. That's why you can get dizzy in a car when others drive, but not when you drive yourself.

Some people report motion sickness when using VR glasses; I think sharing the view would only make it worse for all but the guy in control.

</comment></comment><comment><USER4> I wish i was in "that" market because i would hire that guy in a heart beat.

Keep in mind the "magic" is in the software.

<comment><USER5> The "magic" is in the man, but not in the software. I guess it only takes a knowledge of the low level Wii remote protocols and a good grasp of linear algebra to execute this. Most people that have that knowledge still don't come up with this coolest stuff.

<comment><USER6> The implementation for this is pretty simple. What this guy did is coming with a very original and interesting idea no other came before, and that was brilliant. I'm very, very impressed.</comment></comment></comment>


MonkeySort (2012) - <AUTHOR> http://leonid-shevtsov.github.io/monkeysort/ <comment><USER2> Interesting read!

I find it funny how we approach this same problem every ~5 years. ([https://stackoverflow.com/questions/164831/how-to-rank-a- mil...](https://stackoverflow.com/questions/164831/how-to-rank-a-million- images-with-a-crowdsourced-sort))

I recently implemented a similar tool to help my team decide which brand and art references to use => [http://refsort.com/](http://refsort.com/)

One big difference is that I focused on subjective topics, where there is no absolute 'correct' or 'better' option. In that case I think transitivity could actually decrease the quality of the result, so more 'brute force' is required.

I could probably implement this algorithm in a branch and see what happens :)

</comment><comment><USER3> Was I the only one that clicked on 'better' every time because it was actually the word requested on the statement?

</comment><comment><USER4> My god! In the end _I_ was the monkey.

<comment><USER5> It was Earth all along...

</comment></comment><comment><USER6> With the default list, one is eventually asked "Which one is better?" with the options "best" and "better".

Obviously, I'd choose the exact match.

<comment><USER7> "Do you want to cancel?" <OK> <Cancel>

</comment></comment><comment><USER8> I made this[0] a while back as an implementation of merge sort in JavaScript with continuation passing style. His seems very similar but uses quicksort. Surprising since merge sort has fewer comparisons than quicksort's average case[1]. Why exactly does he use a matrix to store the comparisons?

[0]: [https://jsfiddle.net/dsamarin/hgdjwtck/](https://jsfiddle.net/dsamarin/hgdjwtck/) [1]: [https://stackoverflow.com/questions/8535540/exactly-how- many...](https://stackoverflow.com/questions/8535540/exactly-how-many- comparisons-does-merge-sort-make)

</comment><comment><USER9> I've tried it in Chrome, Firefox, and Edge and has script errors in Chrome and Firefox, and just doesn't work in Edge.

<comment><USER10> In firefox you can click the site security information thing in the address bar and then select "Disable protection for now". My firefox sets the Upgrade- Insecure-Requests header and loads the https site instead, I guess that's what makes the difference between browsers.

<comment><USER9> Yup, that worked!

</comment></comment></comment><comment><USER11> Does this avoid asking questions that would make the relation not a partial ordering? Is it even possible to implement that?

<comment><USER12> Yes, you can store old answers and report error when one of the axioms of poset is violated.

</comment></comment><comment><USER13> A Ford–Johnson merge-insertion sort would need 28% fewer comparisons on average than the quick sort used here.

[https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Merge- insertion_sort](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Merge-insertion_sort)

</comment><comment><USER14> Would love to see the list order visually during the questions phase.

But regardless, this is useful for teaching sorting to help understand the comparison function's role that is passed into a sort routine.

</comment><comment><USER15> I love this, I've used it for years any time I need to rank things, since having to pick my preference between different options is much more accurate than giving them arbitrary numbers.

</comment><comment><USER16> I think an Android app called Prioritize Me did something functionally similar. Haven't looked it up again recently.

</comment><comment><USER17> Here we go again: the latest in a long line of sites that I can't figure out, while lots of others comment "cool".

I click "Sort it". Nothing happens. <sigh>

For all those silent folks who are just like me: know that you are not alone.

<comment><USER18> Q: How do you tell if someone doesn't use Javascript?

A: They will tell you.</comment></comment>


Hailo says Uber blocked potential investors - <AUTHOR> http://www.bbc.com/news/technology-29740296

<comment><USER2> This doesn't seem strange at all. Uber doesn't need confidential information being transferred to their competitors...</comment>


NodeJS vs ROR. Not quite there... yet - <AUTHOR> http://nodejs-vs-ror.nodejitsu.com/ Only 113 watchers left <comment><USER2> very surprised to see this kind of following for NodeJS, but does anybody think this will actually turn into Node becoming the platform of choice? Is the Rails framework falling out of favor??

Or is it just that Node is more interesting than rails?

<comment><USER3> I don't think it means anything.</comment></comment>


Ask HN: Hacker Listing? - <AUTHOR>

Recently, HN has had an influx of "Where/How to Find Work" posts. There has been some advice offered, but I know that the people that post these have been offered jobs. I was curious if there is any central "Hacker Listing" for people that are looking for work and frequent HN. If so, where? <comment><USER2> I've thought of letting profiles be more detailed, e.g. letting people post their resumes, and having them be searchable. Would people like something like that?

<comment><USER3> Having some more detailed profile is not the main point. What would be great is if people in need of a job could add a little symbol ("*" or whatever else you want) that appears next to my name on each of my posts.

If I'm currently laid off and looking for a job, someone may read a smart comment I make, then notice: "hey, this guy is smart, and he is looking for a job? Let me check his profile".

If you just have the profile part, it's inefficient. When I want to hire someone, I'll keep looking at profiles of plenty of people not looking for jobs, and I'll miss the ones who could use the help. And if I browse resumes, it's not connected to their comments (at least not in context of a thread), so I don't have the impulse to like them.

An alternative would be to sort resumes by karma, but it's kind of orwellian...

<comment><USER4> Maybe instead of an asterisk we could use orange names.

</comment></comment></comment><comment><USER5> This would be great, but when Hacker News gets filled with all of the retards from Digg and 4chan, it'll turn into the "casual encounters" page on Craigslist.

Not that I would know what that's like, of course.

<comment><USER6> I posted on casual encounters that I wanted to meet a chick to get busy in a Burger King bathroom because I love that Humpty Hump song and got a bunch of responses. Some included naked pictures. The only thing I put in my ad was a Burger King logo and a picture of Humpty Hump. True story.

</comment></comment><comment><USER7> So as an hacker looking for a job I can ask a question about job hunting and get a job? Oh, boy sounds like we're going to get a bunch of those types postings and that PG is going to have his work cut for him modding down a lot of postings! :)

Now I'm going to be like Yosser and say: "Gissa job"

<http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Yosser_Hughes>

</comment><comment><USER8> [http://www.venturewoods.org/index.php/venturetalent/?cp=all#...](http://www.venturewoods.org/index.php/venturetalent/?cp=all#comments)

</comment><comment><USER6> Yes it's wonderful to leverage community but the way to get hired is A) find people who are hiring; B) develop skills which are in demand, and/or advertize that you have them; or C) do something interesting that makes hiring people find you.

Looking for work by putting an asterisk next to your name when you post on Hacker News is like saying that your job search consists of watching television.

If you read Hacker News and you have free time, why on earth are you not building some kind of business? Pick some tiny problem and build a tiny, awesome solution. Do some consulting. I gotta tell you, if I were coming here looking for people to hire, it wouldn't be the people who have no hustle and expect jobs to fall out of the sky and land in their lap.

<comment><USER9> Just because you're reading/posting on HN doesn't mean you're wasting time.

Its nice to have some sort of down time and catch up on news or other things that are interesting, even if only for a few minutes a day.</comment></comment>


One man's obsession with rediscovering the Doves typeface - <AUTHOR> http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/magazine-31534032 <comment><USER2> The Doves Type font can be seen at this site [http://www.typespec.co.uk/doves- type/](http://www.typespec.co.uk/doves-type/), which als tells the story how it was recovered.

<comment><USER3> Why doesn't BBC have even a single link to the project page? Do they assume nobody actually cares about the news they read on their website? The entire point of the WWW is to make a network of information with hyperlinks connecting them.

<comment><USER4> I find a lot of online news publications still write as though they're dealing with print.

NYT has made huge strides with this, greatly increasing the amount of visualization and interactivity in their articles.

<comment><USER5> Some bloomberg articles are downright gorgeous to look at, this brilliant minimalist gradient design.

</comment></comment></comment></comment><comment><USER6> If you enjoyed reading about the quirky history of different typefaces, like this one, I can reccomend the book 'Just My Type' by Simon Garfield. Each chapter introduces a bit quirky of history of a type face designer along with details of the type they cremated and what it's good for.

[http://www.amazon.com/gp/aw/d/1592407463](http://www.amazon.com/gp/aw/d/1592407463)

<comment><USER7> Thanks for the recommendation!

A related book would be 'Type Matters!' by Jim Williams - it's actually suggested for me at the bottom of the 'Just my Type' page. It's a fantastic book on typography, layout, font detail and suggested practices for legibility. I own it and would highly recommend it, especially at the price on Amazon (it's over $60 in Australia).

[http://www.amazon.com/Type-Matters-Jim- Williams/dp/185894567...](http://www.amazon.com/Type-Matters-Jim- Williams/dp/1858945674)

</comment></comment><comment><USER8> I remember there being an article about this font a few years back, perhaps 2010. I, like most would, fantasised about what it would be like if someone actually retrieved the type. Crazy idea that perhaps this Mr Green also read that article and actually got a mudlarkers permit to (literally) get to the bottom of it.

The article doesn't mention if the 150 retrieved pieces together actually constitute a useable font or if there's any essential letters missing or damage from being underwater for almost a hundred years.

<comment><USER9> [http://www.typespec.co.uk/recovering-the-doves- type/](http://www.typespec.co.uk/recovering-the-doves-type/) better pictures of recovered type here.

</comment></comment><comment><USER10> The Economist had a good article about this in their 2013 Christmas special:

[http://www.economist.com/news/christmas- specials/21591793-le...](http://www.economist.com/news/christmas- specials/21591793-legendary-typeface-gets-second-life-fight-over-doves)

</comment><comment><USER11> Why couldn't the font be reproduced from printed sources? Seems much easier than to try and fish old, rusty typefaces out of a river and then try to reconstruct them.

<comment><USER12> That is how he started, but it does not give completely satisfactory results. The article in the Economist addresses this:

 _> That sounds simple—yet the uneven printing that letterpress-lovers cherish made tracing the type impossible. Once ink hits paper, no single letter is reproduced identically. Guessing the shape of the metal that made the marks takes time and patience. Guess wrong, and the error is imperceptible at first; but lined up in text the letter looks awkward, the typeface distracting._

[http://www.economist.com/news/christmas- specials/21591793-le...](http://www.economist.com/news/christmas- specials/21591793-legendary-typeface-gets-second-life-fight-over-doves)

</comment></comment><comment><USER13> It's not clear that this font, as a replication of a work out of copyright, is copyrightable in the US. See Bridgeman vs. Corel.

<comment><USER14> True, though if the hinting was done manually or the outlines adjusted for the screen, that's plausibly a new creative work.

<comment><USER15> The outlines were redrawn manually because there were no drawn outlines as such in existence. It is a new creative work, in that it's my interpretation of the Doves type which only ever existed in metal. It was never redrawn for filmsetting or digital by its original creators because they disposed of it before these technologies came into existence. So the final typeface was never drawn as such, as would have been necessary for adapting it (as so many other types have been) for new reproduction techniques.

The original drawings for the type, by Percy Tiffin, are more like sketches or visuals – guidelines to give the punchcutter a direction rather than precise instructions. They bear little relation to the end product, so they are not the typeface in & of themselves. (I initially tried to use these as reference & after a couple of hours realised that they were pretty useless, containing no uniform measures, proportions or elements). The final 'outlines' for the type were created in the metal itself by the punchcutter, Edward Prince. He is responsible for drawing, or rather carving the form of the type straight onto the steel punches from which the final type moulds (matrices) were cast.

The name Doves Type® is copyrighted to protect my drawings. But if someone wants to go ahead and do what I did and recreate the type from the original printed sources there's nothing to stop them, as long as they do not use my font data as a basis for their font. It took me 5 years, on-&-off, to reach the stage where I was satisfied that I had captured the overall essence of the original. Though one can never recreate the patina of a letterpress type – the appearance of each glyph varies from word to word, line to line, page to page. That's why I prefer to call my digital type a facsimile.

<comment><USER16> From what are you protecting your drawings/recreation?

<comment><USER15> Anyone taking repackaging and selling as theirs. It's my research & work. This is what I do for a living.

</comment></comment></comment></comment></comment><comment><USER17> Sorry for the off topic but.... F*CK autoplay videos! Couldn't they at least use the page visibility API (or even just requestAnimationFrame) so it doesn't start playing after I've opened a dozen tabs?

Is there a Firefox add-on that enables audio/video and flash only when you see the page?

<comment><USER18> flash: enable "ask to activate" in the extension settings

<video>: set media.autoplay.enabled = false

you could have googled that instead of whining.

<comment><USER19> Or it could have been set as a sensible default, since an overwhelming majority of users despise autoplaying videos on sites other than Youtube?</comment></comment></comment>


The Week in Bitcoin: Issue 30 – A FREE Weekly Bitcoin Newsletter - <AUTHOR> http://theweekinbitcoin.com/issues/30#start

<comment><USER2> Oh my god! A FREE newsletter? OMG! Nope.</comment>


Experience VR using the Myo armband - <AUTHOR> http://developerblog.myo.com/experience-vr-using-the-myo-armband/

<comment><USER2> Initially I assumed that this was just an accelerometer, but actually the device detects hand motions by detecting electric impulses from the skin.

That's really exciting - even if it can only detect fairly gross gestures, it opens up all kinds of applications! When developers get hold of these kits we could see some really cool stuff.

<comment><USER3> I own an early kit, and got to play around with a more recent one a bit ago too. Sadly, my experience wasn't very positive. The API felt super restricted, and it didn't seem like it was improving much.

[edit] Additional details: it's extremely limited in which gestures it detects. At the time I used it, it could detect a relaxed hand, a clenched fist, a wave outward, and curled fingers in an "O" shape. There may have been one or two that I forgot, but it wasn't many at all. Additionally, it could tell if you were rotating your hand clockwise or counter-clockwise. The detection of the gestures wasn't great. I found myself having to very deliberately move my hand into variations on these basic gestures until it picked up on them. The degree to which it picked up on gestures got drastically worse if I lowered the band on my arm to relieve the pressure (the band was quite snug).

The combination of being limited to a very few specific gestures and the poor accuracy of the device just left me feeling very disappointed.

<comment><USER2> Ideally, you'd want access to the underlying data, and some tools for working with it... sad although there might be some technical reason like they don't stream all the data back over the wireless link.</comment></comment></comment>


Ask HN: Why web development is becoming so complicated? - <AUTHOR> Hello, a few days ago I was asked by a stakeholder where I work about what's making the feature implementations and changes to our system takes longer time compared to the company's legacy system (which was developed using Oracle Forms). I tried to tell her about the complexity of web development and the time required for good UI/UX is much longer than the old days but I don't think she was convinced, how would you respond to such a question from a non-technical person? <comment><USER2> Come up with an analogy to something they'll understand about how complexity has changed. Maintenance on a jet engine vs a horse-drawn cart. Or cooking pasta vs a seven layer cake. Or upgrading the plumbing in an off-the-lot double-wide vs a one of a kind skyscraper. Changing the ID system for an elementary school vs a state university. Etc. You can probably come up with something appropriate to this specific situation.

</comment><comment><USER3> My response would depend greatly on the system I was working on.

\- Is it true that changes actually take longer in the new system, or is there an unfair comparison being made (eg "tweak a form input" vs "rework an API")?

\- Is the new system inherently more complex than the old one in terms of business logic?

\- Is the new system inherently better than the old system (as you hint by your UI/UX allusion), and it's just a case of "good things take time"?

\- Have you, in fact, chosen an unnecessarily complex stack in which to build the new system?

This last point is worth considering as a possibility. Ordinarily you'd expect to make progress faster in a newer, smaller codebase you're building from scratch than you can when trying to change a large legacy system that someone else built. If you can't, and if the new system isn't inherently a larger effort, it may be that your tools are poorly chosen or are overkill for the task.

Eg, if the application would be just fine as a server-rendered site, but you've taken on the task of building the server side in one framework and the client side in another, you've added unnecessary work.

Or maybe you've chosen tools that are perfect for the task but which your team doesn't know well.

Web development has gained the _potential_ to be more complicated; you can now build things on the web that you couldn't build 10 years ago. But you still _can_ build sites like it's 1999, and in some cases, that (with a little bit of modern styling) would be good enough.

</comment><comment><USER4> Companies like Facebook and Google are setting the agenda for the web. They can afford highly trained staff, high development costs, high failure risks, etc. because they have nearly unlimited budgets.

"Free" tools have crowded out the market for commercial tools that make money based on web creators succeeding at their goals.

</comment><comment><USER5> Talking to someone who is not technical about some technical details requires some extra skill. I've learnt that in my years of being in the technical side of things, I don't have that skill. That extra knowledge of what you should say so that they can understand you. I left that up to the others who possesses this skill.

It is really hard for me to explain some details in a way that everyone can understand. But giving examples from aspects of life they know while explaining is helpful. Like everyday stuff. Just try to come up with an applicable example. Note: if your example doesn't make sense, they will be more confused. Risky....

</comment><comment><USER6> It's because web sites are more complicated. Put up a static HTML web site and ask see if they're happy with it, they won't be.

</comment><comment><USER7> It's impossible, they don't understand. Give up now!</comment>


Ask HN: What would make you pay for a digital web development magazine? - <AUTHOR> <comment><USER2> To be perfectly honest, I wouldn't pay anything for it. The perception of most users is, you can get a free digital subscription to anything on twitter. Just click "Follow".

The trick is to find the really good accounts to follow. To make that easier, I wrote a tool you can use to find the exactly the twitter account you're looking for: [http://www.find70.com](http://www.find70.com)

</comment><comment><USER3> As a dev I pay for a lot of services (AWS, Digital Ocean, Github, etc). However, on my personal life the only paid service that I consume is Netflix. Everything else is free. Can you compete with free?

</comment><comment><USER4> Beautiful typesetting, high quality articles, good editing, smooth and convenient payment.</comment>


Ask HN: Is it a good idea to spin up a VPS for each subscriber? - <AUTHOR> My SaaS is going to be priced at much more than $5/mo, but the computation involved is fairly cheap. A $5 VPS from Linode/DigitalOcean is more than sufficient. However, latency is fairly important criteria to my application, so a dedicated VPS (as much of an oxymoron that term is) would be pretty neat.<p>Is it feasible to spin up a separate VPS every time I get a subscriber? They'd be paying much more than $5/mo, so the cost of the VPS would be covered. <comment><USER2> Better get very very good at configuration management, provisioning, patching, monitoring, and all the other things that go along with running large quantities of infra (even if virtual). I don't know anything about your app, but I do know many shops that deeply regret going down this path rather than building multi-tenant in the first place.

For what its worth, and some may disagree, but production SaaS apps don't belong on Linode/DigitalOcean... but that's a whole other topic.

<comment><USER3> What's your reasoning for that last comment? Why don't you think prod apps should be running on Linode or DO? I have experience with both and really enjoy using DO. Their infra seems solid, so just curious as to why you made that comment.

<comment><USER2> I have used both extensively and love them for dev and non production environments.

Perhaps I have some old biases, but I have gotten caught up in noisy neighbor hell more times than I can count. Being impacted by DDOS attacks on your neighbors is no fun.

Add in privacy/security compliance where they attempt to leverage their facilities SOC2 reports rather than operate their own business to this standard and it just doesn't work for me or my customers.

EDIT: FWIW, my concerns tend to come from a place much further along in the game that might not be relevant to you right now. If you're still proving your business model and this is the fastest way to get there then by all means.

</comment></comment></comment><comment><USER3> Why not build a proper multi-tenant service? Do you absolutely need the compute power for each customer? What are you gonna do when 6 months down the line you need to apply a critical update to all of your servers? What about deployment? Seems like a lot of unnecessary trouble for yourself, imo.

</comment><comment><USER4> We are doing this at SignalBox - but recently better containerisation with Docker has given us much more flexibility, and now we can dedicated host or multi tenant with very little configuration change, I'd recommend going down this route

(Some of our customers, e.g. ad tech, fx trading) have very low latency requirements do being able to dedicated host them has been good

</comment><comment> le-mark You should have people willing to pay before you do anything. Having said that, consider, if a $5 intance can host 100 customers, that's $.05 per customer. One may ask, how does 100% increase in cost per customer make any sense?

</comment><comment><USER5> I have thought about this before from a security point of view but the hassle of setting up and running my multiple databases wasn't worth it.

I assume you have a database that is shared, would that not become the bottleneck in latency?

</comment><comment><USER6> i think containers would suit you better.</comment>


A Year in the Life of an Open Source Lead - <AUTHOR> https://www.annashipman.co.uk/jfdi/a-year-in-the-life-os-lead.html <comment><USER2> Interesting read. I think commercial open source where you are actually trying to monetize some sort of open source software is very different than governmental open source. There is some overlap (it's important to be transparent, blog and build community), but the "business" model is completely different.

That being said, I really like the trend of governments moving towards open source. If the taxpayers are paying for software development they should be able to see the source and use the software. I wonder if we'll ever see a popular open source framework maintained by a government. That would be interesting!

<comment><USER3> A lot of government funding goes towards Microsoft products. I think Microsoft should open source their products.

<comment><AUTHOR> Certainly at GDS I can't think of a single Microsoft product that was in use beyond some VMs for testing browsers and assistive technology.

<comment><USER3> I was in the AF, and everyone uses Windows and MS office. So much so that DoD requirements influenced some of the features of MS products.

</comment></comment></comment></comment><comment><USER4> The biggest reason government should use free software is interoperability.

Right now, software written for government bodies is incompatible, and therefore inefficient.

Free software has the advantage of mutability, you can change the software to meet your specific needs.

Closed source software must be changed by its original authors, often contractors, meaning it ends up staying incompatible with the rest of the ecosystem.</comment>


Check your chances of having a Robot Boss anytime soon - aurora- https://www.producthunt.com/posts/will-a-robot-be-your-boss <comment><AUTHOR> This is actually a great way to bring attention to a very near future problem. People always seem to act like issues like this won't affect them anytime soon, so they need not do anything about it. AI is taking jobs every day, and we have very little to no net to help those that will soon be not needed in the labor force.</comment>


Can anyone explain the business case for Adsense's no-contact banning policies? - <AUTHOR>

So, there's a lot of noise around Adsense account bans or suspensions right now, not least from me, and it's got me wondering.
Google are smart people. There must be a reason they're doing what they're doing.
But what they're doing is dropping 4, 5 and 6-figure sources of income, in their hundreds if not thousands, rather than send a single email.
As I said elsewhere, I speak from experience here. Adsense was disabled on my own site - which does about 600k page impressions a month - in late August, for some very vague reasons. I received a single email which copy-pasted a large section of the Adsense ToS, and that was it - ads disabled. No indication of what ad was breaking the rules, or even what rules I was breaking. No personal contact.
How on earth can a business justify dropping $10k+ a year in revenue without even making an hour's attempt to fix the problem? I know Google staff are highly paid, but I'm assuming most of them aren't on more than $10k ph!
Given this is far from a limited phenomenon, I wouldn't be surprised to hear that Google have lost 7 figures - maybe even 8 figures - of revenue over the last few years by not being willing to have anyone get in touch with website owners.
I'm genuinely interested. What on earth would justify this as a business practice? How do you possibly make the case that it's not worth thousands of dollars to have someone send an email?
There must be some thinking here - I just can't figure out what it is. <comment><USER2> Publishers are Google's product. The bans are a product quality assurance exercise for them.

They do not really lose any business when they cut out a publisher. They almost always have plenty of other options to display their inventory on.

<comment><AUTHOR> So basically, whether they treat advertisers or publishers well is a function of whether they have too many advertisers or too many publishers?

Makes sense - although it does seem a bit like eating your seed corn. As and when the economy recovers and there's an online advertising boom, the balance may shift.

</comment></comment><comment><USER3> If too many people generate fake clicks, advertisers will no longer want to place expensive ads with Google. That loss could easily amount to 10 (or even 11) figures. Over 90% of Google's revenue comes from advertising. Even a slight reduction in that revenue could cost billions.

If AdSense is associated with websites that contain copyright-infringing material, Google could find itself on the losing side of a gigantic lawsuit with the MAFIAA. That loss, too, could easily amount to billions.

If AdSense is associated with any other kind of content with questionable legality (child porn, hate speech, bomb-making tutorials, etc), there could be similar financial ramifications, or worse, damage to Google's brand. This can also be worth billions.

So it might make sense, from a purely financial point of view, to be overly aggressive in banning AdSense users. A few false positives might cost tens of millions of dollars, but that could be the lesser of two evils if the alternative is to let a few false negatives slip by.

 _Edit:_ As for lack of communication, someone at Google seems to think that letting people know too many details about exactly which page violates which policy would allow the bad guys to work around those policies, leading to more false negatives. Security through obscurity! Similarly, if you ever set up a mail server, you'll quickly realize that Google doesn't let you know exactly what you need to do to get rid of that pesky "via your.hostname.com" message. You could try adding DKIM and cross your fingers, but there's no guarantee. That's an anti-spam & anti-phishing feature, and Google doesn't want spammers and phishers to know its exact policies and algorithms.

According to Wikipedia [1], AdSense represents 28% of Google's ad revenue. But unlike ads placed in Google's own pages, Google needs to pay out the majority (~68%) of that revenue to website owners, so AdSense's actual contribution to profit is much lower than that. Google has plenty of other places where they can place ads far more profitably, even if a lot of third-party websites dropped AdSense.

[1] <http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Adsense>

<comment><AUTHOR> Thanks - that's a great reply, and makes a depressing amount of sense.

In the case of page layout issues rather than click fraud, though, I still can't see why it doesn't make more sense to work with the publisher to achieve a layout everyone's happy with. I'm not sure what the bad guys could get out of knowing that Google doesn't like inline ads without a border, for example.</comment></comment>


Julian Assange – Google Is Not What It Seems - <AUTHOR> https://wikileaks.org/google-is-not-what-it-seems/ <comment><USER2> Previously discussed: [https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=8500970](https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=8500970)</comment>


Ask HN: If I developed IP and go work for a big tech company, do they claim it? - <AUTHOR> So long story short, I'm going to a big tech company in May and currently am the owner of a dating app. The big tech company has also dabbled in the dating space.
I published the IP prior to starting my job. But am wondering if the tech company will try to take my IP from me after I start working, assuming I still update the IP every now and then with minor updates.
This is in California if that helps. My product is fairly different than theirs, but they are both technically in the dating space.
I plan to disclose this to them within 2 weeks of starting. Am somewhat worried they will ask me to transfer my code over to them that I've been working on in college for 7 months or they tell me I need to shut down the app because they feel threatened by it.
Alternatively I could just not tell them. I think I'm protected under Section 2870 of California's Labor Code but not sure.
I'd be pretty upset if I have to transfer them my IP after I start working there. Do I need to worry too much about this? <comment><USER2> Not a lawyer, but have navigated IP partitioning with big engineering firms for over two decades. General answer to you question is "no", but the truth of course is that it depends on when and how you've protected your IP, and what country your in.

If you're in the USA and you patent a technology, then join a company, the company doesn't have a claim to that technology unless you both explicitly agree to it during your onboarding. For example, it's possible a part of the reason a company want to bring you onboard is that they are partly interested in you're IP and partly interested in your ability to develop/implement that technology (the latter being exceedingly more difficult that generating the initial idea). In any event, you may agree to sign over IP rights (fully or partially) in exchange for better compensation.

If you don't patent your IP before joining a large company, then you need to review the IP terms before you join, because in general (certainly not always) companies do tend to claim ownership of any IP you create while employed at their company. However, this clause is mostly to protect the company not inhibit your creativity or success, so you can easily get a waiver to keep building and securing IP for your own gain. That's what I did.

</comment><comment><USER3> You will definitely want to tell them about it and have in writing that they recognize that what is yours is yours. If they ask you to assign it to them politely tell them no. The worst situation you could be in is to have them find out in the future with some notion that you wronged them. If they press the issue of IP with you can decide at that point what you want to do.

For what it is worth, I joined a startup with a bogus "all your ip is now our ip" clause as well as an overly broad "non-compete" clause. I simply struck those entire sections from my contract. In the end, they asked me for a list of my IP/inventions and I provided them the folder structure of my side projects drive. I agreed (in writing) that I would never work on any of my own IP with their resources.

I told them flat out that I would accept an alternate offer if the perused the issue. I recognize that this is a different time (given the uncertainty of how the virus will affect the economy) but I feel strongly that what is yours is yours and joining a company does not give them the absolute right to anything you have done prior.

<comment><AUTHOR> I see. So then on day 1 of starting, email legal and tell them about my IP (it's on the App Store) and let them know I wouldn't use their resources to work on it.

And yes the virus is somewhat producing uncertainty. I'm pretty confident in my ability to get a job elsewhere but these aren't normal times.</comment></comment>


The Internet Isn't Forever - <AUTHOR> https://longreads.com/2018/02/20/the-internet-isnt-forever/ <comment><USER2> Also a lot of surviving websites are no longer so accessible. ie Youtube and reddit comments, panoramio pictures (which google kept but you can't see, even if you took them), even capturing a large amount of tweets is pretty hard right now.

Companies are closing down all data they can grab. Youtube used to have a list of the top 1000 videos ordered by view count and other parameters. It allowed you to explore and filter their data. To choose what to see. To index their content. This is no longer possible. They want to keep everything they know about you private, and they want to control what you see and "discover".

This is pretty far away from the open web we had 10 years ago. Part of the blame is Javascript, but most of the blame is on users who don't care. Smartphones ruined the internet in my opinion. Sure, there's more content than ever, but it's not freely available. In fact you're not even allowed to know what's available.

</comment><comment><USER3> I've tried to read this week an (unfinished) fantasy novel on a forum, which has been there for a few years. I had already read a few chapters and it was very well-written. Except the author decided last month to remove all his content from the place (10000+ forum posts), which included this unfinished novel and two others. I tried to find back-ups (on the internet archive), but only the first page of each thread was saved. I only found a few chapters using google cache. And I don't think the mods will agree to restore the content. So yeah, I can relate with the idea that internet isn't forever.

<comment><USER3> And in addition to the disappearance in the same site of many image-based let's play with the changes with imageshack and photobucket.

</comment></comment><comment><USER4> I got burned by this yesterday. I was looking for an old photo that was only on myspace, but apparently they had a huge content purge and it was long past the migration phase :(

<comment><USER5> This era is so weird.

On one hand internet promised information highway, pure digital storage.

Instead it's social network noise highway and same bitrot.

<comment><USER6> The tech may have changed but the people have not.

Thus they put the same amount of effort into the same things (ephemera vs permanence).

<comment><USER5> True, it's just amplified to a rare scale.

It just examplifies how marketing is pervasive no matter the field.

</comment></comment></comment></comment><comment><USER7> Very true, the internet has a memory problem. If you try to research something that happened, let's say 10 years ago, by using just the Internet you'll have lots of trouble. If it wasn't printed in one of the major newspapers you're out of luck. Not only that but you'll need to go through a truck load of data if you want to expand on what the newspapers have to say. I suspect that eventually, no one will be able to look back at the net's past since cryptography is becoming a must for everything net. If you're reading this and you encrypt your data, think about the data 10 years ago that you encrypted. Can you get to it? Maybe. Think about someone else's. I bet you can't. What happened 10 years is blurry now. If that's the case now then what will happen 100 years from now.

</comment><comment><USER8> SRI-NIC wiped all the WHOIS NIC handles when they handed the job on to somebody else. Network Solutions I think. So, my 1985 NIC handle got wiped by the dotcom boom sometime between 1992 and 1998.

Stuff been dyin' on the internet since forever.

</comment><comment><USER9> I am so glad the article mentions IPFS and the great potential it has to solve this very issue.

<comment><USER10> Diffusion of responsibility is no responsibility at all.

We need to have a well-funded, well-run, serious effort at preserving digital history.

<comment><USER11> [https://archive.org/donate/](https://archive.org/donate/)

<comment><USER12> Archive.org is a great project that one can't recommend highly enough.

It's not "just" collecting huge amounts of data, it is a _living_ archive. For example, when they publish old Amiga software, they publish it ready to use. And I don't just mean polished disk image files. I mean ready to use right in the browser. Click on a ancient game, and play it immediately in your browser!

That's exactly the kind of attitude towards archiving that we need. Like one of the more modern museums where you are allowed to touch (and interact with!) things.

</comment></comment></comment></comment><comment><USER13> Computing and storage capabilities can grow (practically) without limits.

Human information consumption, however, has limits.

Therefore, I don't see the problem.

</comment><comment><USER5> I wonder if archive.org analyses the data to see what's "useless" or not

</comment><comment><USER14> Yeah, duh.

I don't think the internet was ever supposed to be forever. Sometimes it looks like it's forever because people copy content from one public place to the other but this behavior is not inevitable.</comment>


Show HN: A django-app for AB Testing - <AUTHOR> https://github.com/siddharthsarda/django-abtest

<comment><USER2> Couple of comments. The lack of tests would personally keep me from using this library, it's a pretty simple setup and relatively easy to test so it shouldn't be too hard. Also keep in mind that hitting the database for something like an AB test isn't going to perform very well at large scale. Finally, you're reimplementing a built in Django feature with your get_or_create_* functions. Just call Model.objects.get_or_create(...) no reason to rebuild that particular wheel.

<comment><AUTHOR> Thanks a lot for the comments. Adding tests was in my todo list. Maybe I could use redis for storing the AB tests?

<comment><AUTHOR> I have implemented the changes related to your comment using django's built get_or_create function. Thanks</comment></comment></comment>


What Tool Do You Use For Reading Technical Ebooks? - <AUTHOR> http://programmers.stackexchange.com/q/12540/5511 <comment><USER2> Over the past few months the O'Reilly ebook deal of the day at $10 (although they seem to be testing the water for selling at over $10 at the moment unfortunately) has lead to quite a few acquisitions on my part. Additionally you can register your paper books and "upgrade" to an ebook for $5 on those. All this made a Kindle 3 logical as it brought a vast number of $10 ebooks into parity with their $30 to $40 paper cousins. My points of warning would be as follows - this is specific as the O'Reilly books are not DRMed. You get them in mobi, pdf, apk, daisy and epub. That said, the smaller Kindle I have is almost completely useless for PDFs, don't even think about it, not sure about the big Kindle though. I've had success converting webpages to .mobi plus all the public domain stuff in txt works just fine.

<http://twitter.com/Oreillymedia> has the deals but <http://twitter.com/timoreilly> retweets them and is vastly more interesting to follow.

<comment><USER3> Most PDFs are a little small on the DX, as well. It depends on the file, of course.

I have the 1st gen DX. The latest DX might be better, if it has the PDF contrast control that the kindle 3 has. The latest DX also has a better- contrast e-ink screen.

You can always turn the DX sideways, of course. Which solves the text size problem at the cost of having pages spread across three screenfulls.

</comment></comment><comment><USER4> For text heavy books I use a Sony PRS-300 eReader. The e-ink is much better for eye strain and the PRS-300 does a fairly good job with PDFs as well as EPUB formats. If I want to copy text I have whatever's on my Sony on the laptop I sync it from so can quickly open it up there but with the reader it's not taking up screen real estate and I can have a bunch of books on there. I can put my annotations on Evernote if I want to.

I also use iBooks on my iPhone and can sync my books to that too, it's nowhere near as good to read on but on a croweded train it's the best given the space available.

For particularly graphics heavy docs, or where colour is important I use my laptop and Foxit PDF or Calibre. This is my last choice.

My favourite by far is the Sony.

<comment><USER5> PRS-505 here. You don't find the 5" screen too small? For books with proper zoom text re-formatting, not an issue at all. But otherwise, I find myself complaining even with the larger screen.

<comment><USER4> The zoom on the 300's really good for epub, not so hot for PDF. I tend to find with PDFs that it's hit and miss as to the formatting, but PDFs that are effectively scanned images are pretty much off because of the size.

I find the screen size (roughly the size of a paperback) is fine for Epubs though, which is what I mainly use for tech books. I also like the fact that it fits in the pockets for my shorts. This summer I went to an Island in the mediterranean and went through about 10 books in 4 days on the thing. Carrying the 10 books would've meant less room for luggage. Being able to take 200-odd books to the beach is pretty awesome.

</comment></comment></comment><comment><USER6> Depends on the format.

PDF on the desktop. Keeps formatting, and on Mac Preview is solid document viewer.

ePub on iPad/iPhone. Why not PDF on those devices? You can't annotate/highlight PDF's but you can to ePub.

That's what works for me. YMMV.

<comment><USER7> Go get GoodReader. It is a much better PDF reader than the built-in app on iOS devices, makes cropping out PDF whitespace easy, has support for annotation & highlighting, and can load PDFs straight off of Dropbox.

</comment></comment><comment><USER8> i use an ipad.

</comment><comment><USER9> Does anybody have any experience using an ipad? It has a full pdf reader so that at least should work well.</comment>


Invitations sent for Work at a Startup - <AUTHOR> http://ycombinator.posterous.com/invitations-sent-for-work-at-a-startup <comment><USER2> What are the plans for doing this again? Is this going to be a yearly thing or have you not decided (depending on how it goes, etc.)? I'm interested in attending one of these once I finish my PhD.

<comment><AUTHOR> We'll probably do more. I'm not sure how soon. Maybe as soon as 6 months from now.

</comment></comment><comment><USER3> Are those of us who got denied on a waiting list if spots do open up?

<comment><AUTHOR> Unfortunately the software I wrote for this doesn't have the ability to do waiting lists yet. Maybe in some future event though.

<comment><USER4> Do you want a hand with that?

What would we call it? "Work at Work at a Startup"? ;-)

</comment></comment></comment><comment><USER5> Are there any plans to livestream the event?

<comment><AUTHOR> Yes, on Justin.tv.

</comment></comment><comment><USER6> A question for PG: How many applicants did you get?

</comment><comment><USER7> Is there any way to find out what rating was given for our application?

</comment><comment><USER8> Rejections also sent for Work at a Startup.

</comment><comment><USER9> Did anyone else get invites to apply for some yc startups, but didn't get accepted for the Work At A Startup event?

<comment><USER10> yes, that happened to me

</comment></comment><comment><USER11> I was accepted, but I forgot the username I used to apply :\\. Should I email info@yc to get it, so that I can RSVP? [I don't think I had my email in my profile either, but I'm guessing it was in the application.]

</comment><comment><USER12> Would you consider an event that would include non-technical people as well? I think it might be interesting for sales people, marketing and so on to get more of an idea what working at a start-up would be like.

<comment><USER13> Did the application process exclude non-technical people? It was just a big text field saying "RESUME GOES HERE."

I think they would have wanted solid sales/marketing/design people to apply too.

<comment><USER12> Well the language is explicitly programmer related, e.g. "If you're like a lot of programmers you may have considered one day joining a startup" and "the event is free, but since more programmers may want to attend than we have room for..."

The event had a clear focus on being for programmers, which is fine by me. I'm just saying another event, geared towards non-programmers, with a different focus, might be useful.

<comment><USER14> I'm a designer, and I applied. I also got rejected. :P

<comment><USER15> I'm a designer and I applied and got accepted. Now n=2.</comment></comment></comment></comment></comment>


Ecuador legalized gangs and murder rates plummeted - <AUTHOR> https://www.vox.com/future-perfect/2019/3/26/18281325/ecuador-legalize-gangs <comment><USER2> From Terry Pratchett's "Guards, Guards" [1]

"One of the Patrician's greatest contributions to the reliable operation of Ankh-Morpork had been, very early in his administration, the legalising of the ancient Guild of Thieves. Crime was always with us, he reasoned, and therefore, if you were going to have crime, it at least should be organised crime.

And so the Guild had been encouraged to come out of the shadows and build a big Guildhouse, take their place at civic banquets, and set up their training college with day-release courses and City and Guilds certificates and everything. In exchange for the winding down of the Watch, they agreed, while trying to keep their faces straight, to keep crime levels to a level to be determined annually. That way, everyone could plan ahead, said Lord Vetinari, and part of the uncertainty had been removed from the chaos that is life.

And then, a little while later, the Patrician summoned the leading thieves again and said, oh, by the way, there was something else. What was it, now? Oh, yes…

I know who you are, he said. I know where you live. I know what kind of horse you ride. I know where your wife has her hair done. I know where your lovely children, how old are they now, my, doesn't time fly, I know where they play. So you won't forget about what we agreed, will you? And he smiled.

So did they, after a fashion."

[1] [https://discworldquotes.tumblr.com/post/150983136815/one- of-...](https://discworldquotes.tumblr.com/post/150983136815/one-of-the- patricians-greatest-contributions-to)

<comment><USER3> I came here for this. He unmade my education and actually taught me to think... :-)

</comment></comment><comment><USER4> Excerpt: "And when you hang out for a while, you see how differently they respond to conflicts now. For example, they [the Latin Kings] put on one of the biggest hip hop concerts ever, and they worked with other previously antagonistic gangs on the project."

If this is true, then I nominate David Brotherton for a Nobel Prize...

Also, I found this quote interesting: "...basically, when you want to stop a behavior, the worst thing you can do is prohibit it. Social inclusion is the most productive means of social control."

Interesting...

<comment><USER5> Could we also say - now criminals kill less each other, hence there are more criminals in the streets?

<comment><USER6> And we could also say that they use their influence and legality to spread their criminal identity through the use of art (like rap, graffiti, etc).

<comment><USER7> If additions to the biggest music genre, and a massive art genre, is the negative results of doing this then they should be doing a lot more of it.

</comment></comment></comment></comment><comment><USER8> Another commenter posted it[0], but it's more likely that the banning of leaded gasoline in 1997 precipitated a drop in violent crime 15 years later.

Reductions in lead pollution => a drop in crime ~15 years later is a pretty consistent pattern around the world, regardless of what other approaches the nation's took to combat rising crime.

[0] [https://www.motherjones.com/kevin-drum/2019/03/ecuador- phase...](https://www.motherjones.com/kevin-drum/2019/03/ecuador-phased-out- leaded-gasoline-in-1997-guess-what-happened-17-years-later/)

<comment><USER9> I wonder sometimes how this has effected our current politics also. With everyone born from post-WWII until the 1980 experiencing some level of lead poisoning.

<comment><USER10> But since 1980 haven't the amount of other toxins grown? Like hormone altering plastic hardeners?

Claiming generational pollution works both ways.

<comment><USER11> Not all toxins cause violence though probably. Maybe other problems.

</comment></comment></comment></comment><comment><USER12> Hmmm, this article might be a clickbait, this is super normal to do in latin America

Is not about legalizing gangs, most latin america countries have been using culture/cultural movements and even sport to drive gangs members into the society.

Hiphop, street art, basketball, etc, are just easy and cheap methods to fight the delinquency problem, same as in the US.

You can go to any place filled with gangs, and follow the basic recipe: build a basketball court, build some cultural center and have it filled with organized neighborhood vigilance and in few yours you pretty much removed a big part of the problem, you will end up with some famous basketball players and some famous rap artists emerging from this community.

<comment><USER13> You might get less people killing each other, and you might get a small amount of famous athletes or artists, but are you significantly improving the lives of those people and preparing them to work in a modern economy? Midnight basketball and street art might merely be bread and circuses, a way to keep that demographic quiet and avoid troubling more privileged levels of society.

<comment><USER14> The cultural center, much like schools, can become a means to invest in the education of a community. Build a computer lab, hire tutors, and then... Oh crud, all the poor people cant afford to live there anymore.

Also of note, we can also draw a similar analogy to Motorcycle clubs in the US, though such demands more wealth from each individual than community centers.

<comment><USER12> This "all the poor people cant afford to live there anymore" doesn't apply to latin america, most (only chile misses this) the countries have free education at every level, the budget for a school is the same no matter if its a poor or a rich area.

</comment></comment></comment></comment><comment><USER15> After reading the article, I still do not know what is actually meant by "legalizing" gangs. Exactly in which way was the mere existence of a gang, compared to maybe the crimes it did perform, illegal before in Ecuador?

The only specifics the article gets into sound more like increased money for streetworkers.

Does anybody have any details on the situation there?

<comment><USER16> I would assume it was a paragraph about membership itself being prosecuted. Parts of the US seem to have a similar concept [https://www.legalmatch.com/law-library/article/gang- affiliat...](https://www.legalmatch.com/law-library/article/gang-affiliation- laws.html)

>Gang Participation: Some states, such as Georgia and Texas, make it unlawful for anyone to form, associate with, or profit from a street gang.

Germany has such a thing with membership in a criminal or terrorist organization in §129 stgb. Being part of such an organization is in itself a crime. So individual members dont have to commit any crimes them self to be prosecuted. How ever I only know of the paragraph being used against terrorists, as well as outlawed political associations.

</comment></comment><comment><USER17> Well shucks. From my jaded point of view it seems that Ecuador had in place a system that denied Freedom of Association among the young to the Orwellian extent of frisking and institutionalized profiling (not merely rogue, discouraged and depends-where-you-live variable, as in the US). Yeah just like brown people in the Old South.

And then they stopped doing it. What a bloody miracle.

<comment><USER18> Belonging to a criminal organisation is commonly defined as an offence in laws all around the world. There is not such thing as "freedom of association to a criminal band", neither in international nor in national or local laws. If you are aware of one single country when citizens have the legal right to enter in a mafia, would be interesting to know about it

[https://knoema.es/atlas/Ecuador/Tasa-de- Homicidios](https://knoema.es/atlas/Ecuador/Tasa-de-Homicidios)

The plot shows that the crime rates sinked mainly in the big scam period. Accelerating from 2010 onwards. The "post-economic war" among europeans caused eventually the firing and return to Ecuador to many ecuatorian entrepreneurs that were working hard in Europe. Really nice and determined people. Therefore, another possibility to explain the decrease in rate crime is that the gangs diluted and lose influence by the arrival of lots of relatively rich people buying houses, acting as a better model of success for youngsters, and creating new job opportunities in Ecuador.

Another possible cause was the government of Correa increasing sharply the money spent in education and sustaining it in time

[https://knoema.es/atlas/Ecuador/Gasto-p%c3%bablico-en- eduaci...](https://knoema.es/atlas/Ecuador/Gasto-p%c3%bablico-en- eduaci%c3%b3n)

<comment><USER19> Actually, I think the returning affulent people only caused the rate of home invasions to shoot up, which although only anecdotally, have risen sharply since 2010 - which also coincedes with Ecuador being rated the #1 place to retire so also saw an influx of rich (actual and relative) foreigners coming in, buying land and building (actual and relative) mansions.

Having lived in Ecuador for 10 years, I have not heard any anecdotal evidence of this report (in fact the counter). But that is mostly from middle class inlaws. Perhaps the reduction is in the barrios, which would not be felt / known nor reported

</comment></comment></comment><comment><USER20> Kevin Drum is banging his "It's the lead, stupid" drum on this:

[https://www.motherjones.com/kevin-drum/2019/03/ecuador- phase...](https://www.motherjones.com/kevin-drum/2019/03/ecuador-phased-out- leaded-gasoline-in-1997-guess-what-happened-17-years-later/)

<comment><USER8> It probably is. Lead seriously messes with humans. It likely crashed Rome, and the pattern of "ban leaded fuels => crime rate falls 15 years later" has been demonstrated in multiple nations.

<comment><USER7> Kevin Deum has made a really solid argument for his lead hypothesis. He points to a solid bank of data, as well as peer reviewed sources. Further, I haven't seen anyone point to studies refuting the hypothesis.

What I don't understand is why Drum is the only one who seems to believe this theory? Is it just because I'm missing the research that has pretty much disproven it?

</comment></comment></comment><comment><USER21> I'm curious about how this has impacted non-murder crimes like racketeering. It's not like gangs were just honest, persecuted businesses that were being oppressed for no reason.

<comment><USER22> Right. I live in Ecuador and crime is booming. I'm not sure it is related but anyways, this policy is not an anti-crime panacea.

<comment><USER19> Same. Not even a noticed reduction in murder rates, unless it is happening in areas that don't get much reporting

</comment></comment></comment><comment><USER23> The article says murders are down but what about the other crimes? What is happening to arrest rates for gang members?

Are the gangs just taking some of their profits from crime and investing in legitimate businesses? Is the opportunity that the government is offering them so large that they've agreed on territories thus reducing the murder rate?

<comment><USER22> As I just posted in another comment, I live in Ecuador and crime is booming everywhere. Narco-related crimes are a serious problem too.

I believe this policy helped former president secure votes in zones where this gangs operated, but definitely it is not a crime solving solution.

</comment></comment><comment><USER24> For anyone curious about what was meant by "legalizing gangs" as policy, here's the relevant snippet:

> The country allowed the gangs to remake themselves as cultural associations > that could register with the government, which in turn allowed them to > qualify for grants and benefit from social programming, just like everybody > else.

Turns out offering people money and the opportunity to make a difference makes them want to fight less.

> There was a job training grant, and a grant to set up a community center. > The Catholic University of Quito paid for 15 Latin Queens to study to become > nurses.

</comment><comment><USER25> Great. Now onto drugs next. That's the main way to reduce violence, get addicts help, and save a ton of money on wasteful police resources.

<comment><USER19> Ecuador in fact went the other. They did try and decriminalise small amounts for personal use. But then there was an explosion in "micro traffikers". So rather than a traffiker dealer moving 100grams, they would now go in a group of 10, each carrying 10 grams and not have a problem (the numbers of not accurate, but you get the idea).

So the government went the other way and say anyway found with tiny amounts would be classed as a traffickers.

Results, drugs are still everywhere, same price, same quality. More arrests, more people in prison though.

Just legalise them all already and solve the problem. Everyone who wants drugs can get them. No one who hasn't used them yet, is going to think "oh, I will start smoking crack for breakfast". Regulate, register and control their distribution and remove the main source of funding from the blackmarket

</comment></comment><comment><USER26> Related work in this area includes Scotland's "violence reduction unit", similarly effective by using social inclusion; and de Soto's book "The Other Path" about bringing land ownership and small businesses into legality in order to reduce the power of Shining Path's Maoist guerillas.

</comment><comment><USER27> This should really come as no surprise when you consider that gangs are often made up of people from the lower and marginalized classes using it as an opportunity to either replace a family they never had, earn money in ways that allowed you to rise out of poverty or serve as an outlet for any other issues.

In America, our solution is to continue taking away opportunity, thereby driving more people to join gangs. Our prison system enables this and so does our selective enforcement of laws. Turns out that if you give people opportunity to grow and/or contribute to the community in a positive manner, they'll take it.

</comment><comment><USER28> If we promote the Aryan Brotherhood race relations will improve.

</comment><comment><USER29> One could argue that the world has already legalized gangs and called them corporations. The result is that those corporations have tremendous lobbying and political power.

</comment><comment><USER30> Hold up, there's a problem here.

A "gang" is not where some folks get together and decide to have a club together with a hang out. A gang is a club where they practice criminal enterprise as an organization.

There are plenty of "legal" gangs in America. They're called clubs. Country club, MOPAR Club, Gun club, etc. Even motorcycle clubs are perfectly, absolutely legal. Hell, technically they're 501.3cs. Most organized clubs are non-profits. Even the small ones (like 10 or so people). What makes a difference between a VFW MC and the Mongrels is one rides around, drinks and does scholarship rallies for disadvantage yutes. The other rides around, drinks and sells heroin. One doesn't do illegal things. The other does illegal things. One gets considered a club still while the other... say it with me class... becomes a gang because they do illegal shit.

Hell, the Polish-American club or Mopar club I'm with can very, very easily become a gang. All we have to do is start running guns or drugs. Maybe some prostitution. A little racketeering. Holy shit, we're a gang now. How is that? I don't understand? Oh wait, it's because we did something illegal as an organization! Actually, the Polish-American club can become a gang pretty easy. Just smuggle a bunch of Kinder Eggs into the country (for those that don't know, real Kinder Eggs are illegal to import into the US... and they're delicious & fun...even as an adult). That's all we need would need to do to be labeled a gang. Why? Because we did illegal shit _as an organization_. That's why there are RICO laws too. Mostly to take the head off the snake of said organizations though.

You want to start a club, then buy some abandoned building, fix it up, have a place for all of y'all to hang out. Then as a club y'all decide to do a bake sale of cakes, cookies or even start a car repair shop to raise funds for the club. Y'all do well and decide "Hey, let's have a concert for everyone in town to enjoy. You know what, we need a new skate park for the yutes. Let's build a skate park for the yutes." No one can legally stop you or shut down your club currently in the USA. That is roughly the story of one group here locally to me. The moment you decide, "Let's sell meth to build a skate park." That's where it becomes a "gang". Or you killed the old guy who owned the abandoned building and put a gun to his wife's head to sign it over to the club. That's pretty illegal too.

TLDR: no difference between a club and a gang, except one does illegal shit and the other has cookie bake sales. Make a club. Join a club. Who cares. No one does... except the queen of england. You can't have secret clubs in england if I remember right. But on the freedom side of the pond, you can't do illegal shit as part of your club. Bake some fucking bread and sell it as a way to fund your club. No one cares. Except the IRS. Makes sure to declare that shit. Just don't bake meth. Hold car shows. Don't do drive by shootings. Rescue women from abusive relationships. Don't do prostitution. Start a low cost building repair services for homes and businesses in the area. Don't do extortion. I'm trying to figure out how this is so fucking difficult to understand. Read an actual law book. They're free at your local library. Stop being stupid. Yes, gangs should be illegal. For very good fucking reason. Clubs are not illegal in the USA.

<comment><USER31> "Clubs" are not 501(c)(3) organizations. They are typically 501(c)(7), 501(c)(8), or 501(c)(10) organizations--the latter two covering fraternal lodges. So, mainly 501(c)(7).

If you register your recreational club as a 501(c)(3), then congratulations, you're now a gang of tax code violators.

<comment><USER32> You can register your recreational club as a 501(c)(3) if you are careful about what the club does.

I know of one club that is a 501(3)(c). They exist for purposes of running a local antique show. When the group has meetings many motions are shot down because it isn't allowed under their status.</comment></comment></comment>


Microsoft quietly deletes largest public face recognition data set - <AUTHOR> https://www.ft.com/content/7d3e0d6a-87a0-11e9-a028-86cea8523dc2 <comment><USER2> "The site was intended for academic purposes. It was run by an employee that is no longer with Microsoft and has since been removed."

What in the ACTUAL fuck Microsoft.

<comment><USER3> "The people whose photos were used were not asked for their consent, their images were scraped off the web from search engines and videos under the terms of the Creative Commons license that allows academic reuse of photos."

Is it ethically acceptable to republish someone's CC-licensed face annotated for the purpose of training recognition algorithms?

Is the dataset inclusive as a composite whole? Does it have biases such as "primarily white-male" or "majority white"?

Should facial recognition data and training studies of people's faces be required to adhere to the same ethical review practices that psychology and sociology studies of people are required to adhere to?

If I were Microsoft, I would red flag every one of these questions as reason enough to take it down immediately until answered.

<comment><USER4> I don't personally see the ethics issue if they were using publicly available pictures. That would be like someone scraping public FB profiles.

That person posted the image/information willingly knowing they lose all control over how it is used and who it is seen by.

Could definitely cause some potential bias though if your input set isn't filtered for some kind of diversity.

<comment><USER5> _That person posted the image /information willingly knowing they lose all control over how it is used and who it is seen by._

This seems like a dangerous precedent. There have been cases where images of recognisable people that were made available with some liberal licence were then used as part of marketing for deeply offensive campaigns or illegal activities, for example.

I don't think it's reasonable to say that anyone who volunteered to let others use their image for general purposes should automatically accept the kind of portrayal that would result in a defamation lawsuit in other contexts. You can call them naive for not anticipating nasty people doing that with their image, but naivety isn't a crime. Meanwhile, being portrayed deliberately and without warning as a child abuser or a supporter of a highly unpopular politician or a drug addict or a terrorism suspect could have profound and immediate consequences for the subject, who obviously didn't intend to consent to that and may have no idea it has been done until the reality catches up to them.

<comment><USER4> Misrepresentation of the images is something Microsoft has no more power over than Google Image Search. At the very least their dataset here wasn't including names/locations/etc. I don't really see how this is any different from Google using their own data in projects like DeepMind. At least Microsoft admitted the project didn't go as planned and they're shuttering it, and cleaning up their data.

</comment></comment></comment></comment></comment><comment><USER6> Anyone have a bittorrent hash for the data set?</comment>