Ask YC: Thoughts on funding non-US ideas? - <AUTHOR>

Given YC's precedence of funding only US based startups, how do you feel about funding a startup targeted at the Indian market? The founders will be in the Bay Area through the end of March to work with the YC team and relocate to India shortly thereafter. <comment><USER2> We'd consider it if it's a great idea.

If it's a great idea, though, it seems likely it would also appeal to the US market...

</comment><comment><USER3> Just curious, if you live in the U.S., do you still feel in touch with the Indian market? I'm Indian but I've lived in the Valley for about 18 years... I took a trip there last year, and I was blown away by how much has changed.

</comment><comment><USER4> Hi. I think they can do it. Read the FAQ here <http://ycombinator.com/faq.html>

The main question is not a location. The question is if they understand your market.

Also there is a question: is you product only for India? Why don't you want to push your product on the global market?

<comment><AUTHOR> There are too many competitors in this area. The web market in India is relatively nascent and good for "me-too" ideas.

<comment><USER4> I see. But maybe it is better for you to find a local investor then? YC team and YC crowd may just don't know India market well to help you with advices, etc. Or it's a big problem to find money in India?

<comment><AUTHOR> For an experienced team -- probably not. A bunch of 26 year olds will definitely have a crisis of credibility -- even with a functional product (which is the case with us). To a very large extent, a group like YC will give us the kind of credibility we need to approach the Indian angel/VC community. Not to mention the fact that the Indian press will love it :)

<comment><USER4> Good luck you guys :) We have a similar problem here in Russia. The investors or too small to fund you or they too large to work with you)

Hopefully we dont't need money to start a startup)

My advise - submit your application. I've submited mine yesterday.

</comment></comment></comment></comment></comment><comment><USER5> Just apply, and make your case in your application. You can talk to them about it more if you get the interview. I bet it ultimately just depends on your specific product and how well you can support your argument.</comment>


Caught on camera, police explode in rage and violence across the US - <AUTHOR> https://www.theverge.com/2020/5/31/21276044/police-violence-protest-george-floyd <comment><USER2> As a veteran this hits me particularly hard. This kind of force goes beyond most uses of force I personally used in Afghanistan and Iraq, actual fighting being the exception. In fact, I'm pretty sure I'd be brought up on charges if we treated nonviolent people the way these videos portray.

<comment><USER3> > ...if we treated nonviolent people the way these videos portray.

A lot of the videos portray violent rioters/looters. A lot of the ones of the police are ambiguous because they don't show what behavior warranted the police reaction.

I've also seen a lot of videos of peaceful protests with police walking/talking/marching with the protesters.

We do justice a disservice when we lump everyone and every precinct together.

<comment><USER4> > A lot of the videos portray violent rioters/looters.

I've yet to see an instance of this that wasn't precipitated by cops showing up in ironman armor to a peaceful protest and firing on people with all sorts of military-police toys.

The violent instigators are the cops, across America. Even Target came out and said "whatever, our shit's insured, this problem with the cops needs to be solved."

<comment><USER5> Here's just one example: [https://www.whec.com/rochester-new-york-news/rpd- asking-for-...](https://www.whec.com/rochester-new-york-news/rpd-asking-for- help-identifying-people-seen-beating-couple-on-monroe-avenue/5747247/)

Animals.

<comment><USER4> Animals? Lemme guess, thin blue line, thugs, etc?

How about credit where credit is due - systemic police racism, and when that was protested, insane amounts of police brutality.

All people had to do was not be racist.

<comment><USER5> I'm talking about the video I linked. Did you watch it?

The looters in this video are acting like animals.

More links to the same incident: [https://twitter.com/PatrolRpd/status/1267202275895803904](https://twitter.com/PatrolRpd/status/1267202275895803904) [https://streamable.com/ibwexe?fbclid=IwAR3Kmn22FzFgxAHTxNfiu...](https://streamable.com/ibwexe?fbclid=IwAR3Kmn22FzFgxAHTxNfiu5LOtYYpW0hOnRB5xUaoUVevxe9D8QD0U3Csv-s)

<comment><USER4> I've only ever heard protesters described as "animals" by people that are also happy to throw around the word "thug" and smugly pretend both aren't racist dogwhistles.

<comment><USER5> You are attempting to put a positive spin on their behavior by calling them protesters.

No. They are rioters and looters, and guilty of aggravated battery.

This has nothing to do with race. It has to do with behavior.

</comment></comment></comment></comment></comment></comment></comment></comment><comment><USER6> This abuse of power is the direct result of the militarization of our police force.

I say we take away their guns.

If a suspect is brandishing a firearm, they can call in a separate unit allowed to carry weapons.

Also, no more riot gear. The police can't be trusted with it. Let the national guard have it, but train them for emergency response, not hunting down crooks.

<comment><USER7> If you can't trust the police with guns or riot gear then what is the point of them. If all they are reduced to are official naggers then they will end up having to call the actual police (the people who are allowed to have guns and riot gear) and the actual police will end up doing what the current police do. A better solution would be to provide better training and enforcement of police behavior.

<comment><USER8> You can't trust most people with a gun. That's the problem. Guns also bring tension to most situations. How often do you visit people with a pistol attached to your hip? Do they all go, "Oh, yeah, feel even safer now that you're here." Probably not - they're worried you're going to do something stupid and shoot them.

No one I know feels safer with armed police around and tensions frequently escalate with them around. We all go, "this man has a gun and could kill us - he will do it too because he knows he will get away clean and free."

Training isn't sufficient. If there are real consequences for police and it shows that they face the same consequences the rest of us do for many years - maybe then. But that day will not be for 10+ years. For now, it's much easier to say and act on taking away their weapons that are meant to kill people.

<comment><USER7> In fact I do feel safer when the security guard in front of my kid's school is armed. That security guard has been trained and will suffer big consequences if he uses the gun improperly.

I guess that if you feel unsafe around armed security guards I can't argue with your feelings

<comment><USER9> What if he's a bad shot, tries to aim at and hit the perp doing a shooting and ends up killing more people than the actual shooter?

<comment><USER7> Then he is investigated and the court decides if he is liable for manslaughter, murder or nothing. Similar to a soldier who killed people from their country, nuclear engineers who caused a meltdown, or bus drivers who got into a deadly accident.

</comment></comment></comment></comment></comment></comment><comment><USER10> There's two sides to every story. And every business/organization has bad apples. Achieving perfection becomes order of magnitudes more expensive the closer you are to achieving it, so some level of acceptance that factors economic cost must be reached. The police are humans too. Knowing people are throwing Molotov Cocktails and bricks at police cars, I wouldn't sit still in my car if people, I mean, a mob (mentality) surrounded it. Self preservation.

My theory on why the police need to use some level of brutality is because a mob mentality is an animal. It's an amorphous mammalian manifestation that is afraid of loud noises, pain, and losing it's ability to breath easily. So they use counterpart tools to control it, because when this animal cant be controlled, the whole city could be be razed in flames. (As an example, [https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/1992_Los_Angeles_riots#Destruc...](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/1992_Los_Angeles_riots#Destruction_of_Koreatown) )

Im not excusing shitty behavior, but it's worth considering there are millions of events going on in these protests, and all the excess force ones fit in a bullet list on my monitor. Also, in many of the listed events, the cops told people to move away or go back inside repeatedly before taking action. From their perspective, keeping battle formation is necessary to success. And lawfully, you are supposed to comply with this demand.

Just things to consider. I hope I'm not gut-reaction-down voted for taking the middle ground.

<comment><USER11> You know where the expression "bad apples" came from, right? A few bad apples spoil the bunch. In other words, if there are a couple of rotten apples in a barrel, it spreads quickly to the whole barrel. In other words, it's important to find and throw out the bad apples immediately or you'll have to throw out the whole barrel a few days later.

<comment><USER12> I'm not sure I've ever seen anyone defend police and _not_ use the "bad apples" expression for some reason.

<comment><USER11> I think the expression "it's only a few bad apples" started out as an ironic expression but got picked up by those who missed the irony. You're right, I do see it applied this way to police everywhere. And it's a self-defeating argument every time.

</comment></comment></comment></comment><comment><USER13> The protests might lead to real change and save lives.

The riots will get people killed and are destroying businesses.

Events like this are as bad as the original event [https://www.sfchronicle.com/bayarea/article/22-arrested-60-l...](https://www.sfchronicle.com/bayarea/article/22-arrested-60-looters- detained-in-Oakland-15305244.php)

If this has deteriorated to an eye for an eye I'm not sure where it will end. I hope things get better before there is more loss of life.

</comment><comment><USER14> It's a tough situation for police too. On one hand, how to you stop those taking advantage of the situation by looting/burning? On the other hand, how do they show tolerance for non-aggressive civil disobedience?

Should anyone breaking curfew be subject to rough treatment? Should the police stand idle while people burn and loot? How can peaceful protesters be protected while looters/abusers are using them as shields for their activities?

PS: If replying, please be civil!

<comment><USER15> You don't attack non-violent protestors or bystanders. You use proportional violence and only as a last resort.

But more importantly, you avoid these kinds of situations by not being an absolutely inhumane and racist police force that should be a disgrace to any nation that calls itself civilized.

I do find it fascinating and a bit scary that you can read this article, watch the linked videos, and then come up with a comment like this though. Is this kind of stuff that normalized in the US?

<comment><USER3> If you go to /r/publicfreakout and sort by /rising, you will see LOTS of videos of some rioters being extremely violent.

Two sides to every story.

Peaceful protesters deserve respect and to be heard. Rioters and looters should be dealt with harshly by the law.

<comment><USER16> Do you not see the dozens of videos on that sub showing protestors being shot, shoved down, tear gassed, for nothing?

</comment></comment></comment></comment><comment><USER17> Is there a specific point at which police are or are not allowed to pepper spray people? Use tasers? Use other hopefully non-lethal force like this? These videos are really sad and I wonder when these actions are actually acceptable.

<comment><USER18> Rules of engagement:

[https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Rules_of_engagement](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Rules_of_engagement)

[https://www.washingtonpost.com/opinions/ending-excessive- pol...](https://www.washingtonpost.com/opinions/ending-excessive-police-force- starts-with-new-rules-of- engagement/2014/12/25/7fa379c0-8a1e-11e4-a085-34e9b9f09a58_story.html)

[https://www.citylab.com/equity/2014/11/how-police-rules- of-e...](https://www.citylab.com/equity/2014/11/how-police-rules-of- engagement-differ-around-the-world/383188/)

</comment></comment><comment><USER19> United States is a police state. I said it 20 years ago, people laughed. Now you see if for yourself. American police have positioned themselves as the enemy of the people because they see people as their enemy. And the only way to stop the enemy is by applying brute force. If they're doing all this in front of cameras, imagine what they do when nobody is looking.

Whereas in other countries, such as the UK, police are considered civilians in a uniform and behave accordingly.

<comment><USER20> How did this come about, is it the consequence of an armed society, or something else unique to Americans?

<comment><USER21> We have a very armed police because we have a very armed populace, and we have a very armed populace because security is your own responsibility, at least in the rural areas (also notice the urban/rural divide, armed populace is in the rural area, and the crazy police stories are from the urban area).

One of the main ways America is so different than Europeans because of its political system. Here we empower rural areas (due to electoral college). Without electoral college, the national policies are what urban policies are. NY state looks just like Canada from a political POV, large urban concentrated center who vote and dictate all the policies, and rural areas don't really get much of a say in state policy.

Urban areas are ok with different point of views, they are ok with lifestyles which don't result in 'spreading of the tribe' (i.e. abortion, LGBTQ etc), they are less religious, pro-infrastructure spending (because a fire brigade can serve a LOT of people).

Rural areas are more religious, self-reliant, pro-guns, anti things which don't spread the tribe.

In European democracies, this results in primarily urban driven policies, whereas in the US this results in a constant rural-urban divide and struggle.

<comment><USER22> As a rural in the USA, I see it quite differently. Urban areas are hard left, and rural areas are a smattering of everything. I have never been attacked for my beliefs in rural areas, and yet I have in urban ones. There is a huge divide, but to assert yourself unquestionably on the right side paints how you view your position in the world. Stop demonizing what you don't understand, or you are very much the root of the problem.

<comment><USER23> The Sikhs that got killed for wearing turbans after 9/11/2001 weren't living in SF, LA or NY.

[https://www.cnn.com/2016/09/15/us/sikh-hate-crime- victims/in...](https://www.cnn.com/2016/09/15/us/sikh-hate-crime- victims/index.html)

</comment></comment></comment></comment></comment><comment><USER24> Let's be very clear, police are assaulting citizens in order to protect capital. Police protect capital not humans.

<comment><USER25> > in order to protect capital

Doesn't look so to me.

instead I think it's because those policemen (which are not all policemen) enjoy being others.

</comment></comment><comment><USER26> I forgot about that, and how pissed it made me.

Also forgot how people revenge killed good, innocent cops

[https://www.nydailynews.com/new-york/nyc-crime/cops-shot- bro...](https://www.nydailynews.com/new-york/nyc-crime/cops-shot-brooklyn- sources-article-1.2051941)

<comment><USER26> Do those of you downvoting me, do you think it's because I think those officers are innocent or something?

They are guilty.

I also think there are many people using this tragedy as an excuse to commit crime and somehow justify their behavior via a bifurcation of their world view.

Are you applying your beliefs about a group (the police in this case) at an individual level or in one broad stroke? Is not the definition of bias / prejudice (racism as a subset?) essentially applying beliefs at the group level rather than the individual level?

<comment><USER4> > excuse to commit crime

When cops break the law, and that's what they're doing here, they destroy faith in the justice system, in rule of law.

What's crime? Is looting a Target, crime? Sure, according to tons of various laws in the USA, it is. Think about it another way though - there's a pile of food, more food than anybody could possibly eat before it spoils. In fact, lots of it does get thrown away, because it spoils. You're hungry, you walk up, take some, eat it, and leave. Did you just do something unethical? You take a TV, a pure form of entertainment and nothing more. Did you just do something Bad? Hm. Maybe, if I followed a very very long chain of events, I could say that the taking of the TV meant a CEO got to buy 1/100th less TVs for himself, sure, that's kinda bad I guess.

Is it... worst than someone with a state-sponsored monopoly on violence doing, well, any of the following? :

[https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=23373619](https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=23373619)

There is no "excused crime" happening here. It's people recognizing that the rule of law is broken, that those with the Most Might are doing as they please, and telling themselves "well fuck it, I'm going to get a TV then."

Expectation of the citizenry to, uh, "respect property rights" (lmfao) is absurd when we don't even expect our police to respect the rights of People to exist without violence being committed against them.

So in short, who gives a fuck if target loses TVs - until we solve police brutality to the point that every cop is held criminally accountable for unethical violence, I say let it all burn, because the harm done by a looted target is immeasurably less than even a single instance of police brutality.

</comment></comment></comment><comment><USER26> Are there videos where protesters are beyond acceptable behavior? Rioters? I doubt this is a one way street by any measure.

[https://www.nydailynews.com/new-york/nyc-crime/cops-shot- bro...](https://www.nydailynews.com/new-york/nyc-crime/cops-shot-brooklyn- sources-article-1.2051941)

There was some pretty awful things happening on the live streams last night.

I'm surprised by how many people streamed themselves committing crimes. Are they ignorant or just dumb? The police just started taking pictures of everyone

<comment><USER27> How about instigators? Are you aware of white supremacists? I saw a video with a white guy breaking windows with a hammer and protesters chased him away. These tactics have been used before.

That is not to say that there aren't bad actors on each side, there are. I didn't like the looting but I think its nothing compared to how systematically broken things are.

Im white and I do break the law here and there, minor stuff and sometimes by accident: going above speed limit or smoking pot. If i were not white it's likely that I would have ended up in jail.

When I was younger I'd do stupid things like trespass some propery with my friends, for fun. We would be caught sometimes and let go with a warning. They understood we were kids doing stupid stuff. Well, i dont need to tell you what would have happened if I was black, you probably know..

<comment><USER26> I'm white, I've been in jail (not prison), I've been put to the ground by an officer, I was doing dumb shit when I was a dumb shit.

But as soon as you introduce color, aren't you seeing color and preventing the fundamental problem from fading away?

You can't force it away, you have to teach it away, right?

Do children see color naturally or do we teach them how? Where are they primarily learning this? (I suspect from video screens more so than IRL, sources widely varied)

<comment><USER28> I guess from being treated like dirt and excluded. This can happen to white males too, but is systematic against how people where born and look.

If you move abroad, the same can happen to you.

<comment><USER26> Moving abroad / long term travels are the best way to realize we are all the same, have the same basic dreams and desires, that there are bad apples in all walks of life, and is really a great way to lose prejudice, myself a case in point, but most who travel (beyond site seeing) relate this transformation

<comment><USER27> I absolutely agree with that but this view is limited to a subgroup who can empathise. The reality is in multiple modes, competition and all for oneself's interests is generally a frequently met philosphy to a quite large subgroup and thats a human nature thing. Only when we all realize that it's better for all of us if we're not predominantly ruled by psychopaths and narcisits maybe things will turn around

<comment><USER28> We will stop glorifying narcissists and psychopathic systems after they make the world burn. Their positive traits turn destructive in excess.

Most people abroad are friendly. Makes one think why we hang on to old conceptions and limited beliefs, and instead meet people "as new".</comment></comment></comment></comment></comment></comment></comment>


Infinite work is less work - <AUTHOR> http://blogs.perl.org/users/damian_conway/2019/07/infinite-work-is-less-work.html <comment><USER3> I'm not sure I've wielded Perl in anger in a decade, but I still drop what I'm doing whenever Damain writes a new post about it... His writing and writing style and his sense of humour which he intersperses into his techincal mastery of Perl is still wonderful to read. Even though I reach for Python by default these days...

<comment><USER4> I have the pleasure of seeing him and Larry present _years_ ago on Perl 6's evolution. Their styles were polar opposites, but the comradery was fun to watch.

I often wonder where we'd be today if Perl 6 had got "finished" 10 years before it did...

<comment><USER5> Probably with more than a handful of Perl job opportunities nationwide.

</comment></comment></comment><comment><USER6> I believe the fancy math word for this "building up" of a value from a "smaller" initial condition is "anamorphism."

Most interview-style programming problems are catamorphisms, or "boiling down" an initial condition to "smaller" result. (For example, summing the numbers in a string.)

In, say, JavaScript, knowing that you're implementing a catamorphism usually (or always?) means that you can convert your input to an array and use the aptly-named reduce method to write a reducer that works on one piece at a time to build your result. (Sometimes your reducer needs a sophisticated memo object to keep track of details, like whether you're in the middle of multiple digits.)

If you know you'll be dealing with an anamorphism in JavaScript, your two options are a while loop (for an imperative flavor) or a generator (for a functional flavor).

<comment><USER7> Catamorphisms are more general than reducing an array, e.g. evaluating down a tree structure (or any other recursive datastructure) is also a catamorphism.

<comment><USER6> True, but isn't it also true that a catamorphism on any other data structure still operates one piece at a time? If so, I think this would imply that you _could_ concert your tree or whatever to an array and still get your result with Array#reduce. (Not saying you should, just speculating that it might be always possible.)

<comment><USER7> > True, but isn't it also true that a catamorphism on any other data structure > still operates one piece at a time? If so, I think this would imply that you > _could_ concert your tree or whatever to an array and still get your result > with Array#reduce.

No, the catamorphism operates on one part of the structure but that part of the structure is not necessarily (head, tail) like it is for reduce - <USER2> it's the "base" shape of the recursive data structure.

E.g. it's easy to write a catamorphism on a tree that finds the maximum number of children any one node has. But if you flatten the tree into an array then it's obviously impossible to recover that information.

</comment></comment></comment></comment><comment><USER8> > There are an infinite number of primes and of weak primes (and possibly of > strong primes too, though that's still only conjectured)

Given that a strong prime is < (p[n-1] + p[n+1])/2, and that an infinite number of prime pairs with prime gap < 400 exist (twin prime conjecture and derivatives), and that the average prime gap is ln(p[n]), does it then not also follow that there is an infinite number of strong primes?

<comment><USER9> Yes, nice! Here's a more rigorous way of proving it:

A strong prime is precisely one for which the prime gap preceding it is strictly larger than the one following it. There are arbitrarily large prime gaps (for example none of the n numbers following n! are prime, since n!+m divides by m whenever m≤n). But it has recently been proven that there are infinitely many prime gaps with length less than or equal to 246. So given any strong prime we can find a prime gap after it which is longer than 246, and then a prime gap after that whose length is less than or equal to 246. Somewhere in between those two prime gaps there must be a prime at which the gap size decreases; a strong prime larger than our original strong prime. Hence there are infinitely many strong primes.

<comment><USER10> n!+1 can be prime, as primes can be divisible by 1. None of the n-1 numbers after n!+1 are prime.

<comment><USER9> Good point! But n-1 still gets arbitrarily large so the proof still works.

</comment></comment></comment></comment><comment><USER11>
        strong :: (Integral i) => [i] -> [i]
        strong = mapMaybe fst3 . scanr g (Nothing, 0, 0)
            where fst3 (x, _, _) = x
                  g n (_, p, pp) = (p <$ guard (2 * p > pp + n), n, p)

Haskell makes a better Perl (especially if, like here, you don't bother with readability).

<comment><USER12> Wow, Haskell is just as opaque as ever to me. I wonder if I'll ever be able to comprehend this language.

<comment><USER13> For what it's worth, I've worked as a professional Haskell programmer at multiple companies and have been writing Haskell for more than a decade, and I _still_ have trouble reading code written in that style. I usually end up decomposing it at a REPL so I can look at the types of intermediate parts of the program.

(In practice, most—although not all, admittedly—of the Haskell codebases I've worked with tended to be a lot less dense than the occasional combinator-heavy sample code you see in blog posts and comments.)

</comment></comment></comment><comment><USER14> I've gone through most of the comments and it seems that some commenters are either

* referring to Perl 6 as Perl, or

* mistaking Perl 6 for Perl 5.

Although from the same family of programming languages, Perl (or Perl 5) and Perl 6 (or Raku[1]) are two completely different languages.

The article is about Perl 6 (or Raku), not Perl 5.

[1] [https://docs.perl6.org/language/faq#What's_the_difference_be...](https://docs.perl6.org/language/faq#What's_the_difference_between_Raku,_Rakudo_and_Perl_6)?

<comment><USER15> I think this "different language" concept is in many ways either revisionist history or scope creep. Originally, Larry said he wanted to remove historical warts, clean up the language design, and etc. I think the apocalyptic and exegetical snowball rolled faster than expected, and after the mushroom cloud dissipated and the dust cleared it was easier to say, "Oh, it's a completely different language."

<comment><USER14> As Grinnz notes, I also think it's both:

\- revisionist history. For most intent and purposes, Perl 5 and Perl 6 are two different languages and pretending otherwise helps nobody. In fact, it just creates misunderstandings and misplaced expectations. But why didn't they change the language's name a lot sooner? I honestly don't know. If many of the people involved in the project would've acted sooner, things such as clarifying that Perl 5 and Perl 6 are actively-developed, independent and different languages, even when the names suggest otherwise, would be things of the past. Nonetheless, even now there's the alias Raku, the name Perl 6 is the most used and probably will be for time to come. Will it catch on?

\- scope creeps. As you state, Wall's goal was "to remove historical warts, clean up the language design, etc" which he deemed "the community's rewrite of Perl and of the community." but as we all know, things changed along the way (e.g., untimely delivery) and Perl 6 turned out to be a total different language to Perl 5 or to what many people envisioned as the replacement for Perl 5.

</comment></comment></comment><comment><USER16> Lazy, functional, and pretty: I had no idea Perl could be this nice! (Actually, I know next to zero Perl, but that's not the point…)

<comment><USER17> Perl gets a bad rep, but a decent programmer should be able to write readable Perl.

<comment><USER18> > readable Perl

I worked with Perl 5 intensively for three years and know the language in and out. These Perl 6 snippets there are mostly foreign to me. It's like how a non-Perler looks at Perl 5: mostly a mess of unexpected symbols with some recognizable keywords inbetween.

<comment><USER19> It's a bit like if a C programmer looks at a Schwartzian transform.

</comment></comment></comment></comment><comment> vincent-toups That people still use this wacky ass language is a kind of charming miracle.

<comment><USER20> Care to elaborate what is 'wacky ass' in Perl 6?

<comment><USER21> Perl 6 is pretty "wacky ass" throughout. The crazy blending of object orientation and functional programming, the twigils, the built-in support for PEGs, the scoping rules, the operators, lots of things.

I like it, though. Perl 6 is a fun language in which to program, and it's therefore one I like trying to use, even if said use is less than practical.

</comment></comment></comment><comment><USER22> I think Infinity can be handled lot more elegantly in Python.

Here is my response with the same problem solved in Python.

[https://anandology.com/blog/python-is-infintely- beautiful/](https://anandology.com/blog/python-is-infintely-beautiful/)

<comment><USER23> You can replace your `integers` function with `itertools.count` (same signature but defaults to starting at 0), and `take` with `itertools.islice`.

<comment><USER22> Didn't realize I could use `itertools.count`. In fact, it accepts a `start` parameter.

The `take` function is borrowed from Haskell. It feels lot more natural to say/read `take(10, primes())`, than `islice(primes(), 10)`.

</comment></comment></comment><comment><USER24> > However, as we stopped generating primes at 100, the &strong subroutine > would have received an undefined value when it requested that n+1th prime. > _When used as a number, that undefined value would convert to zero_ , so the > average of 97's two prime neighbours would be computed as (89+0)/2

I think I prefer Python's behaviour here, of just raising an OutOfRangeError, and not permitting NoneType to be coerced as an number.

<comment><USER20> Well Damian's program actually reports "Use of uninitialized value of type Any in numeric context" which the programmer can choose to be a warning or an exception.

</comment></comment><comment><USER25> I am not familiar with Perl 6, nor with list comprehensions, but I am wondering if this is really more readable than the 'traditional' way of looping through the prime numbers and appending to the list, like this:

      strongs=[]
      weaks=[]

      n=1
      AskedNumbers=10
      while len(strongs) < AskedNumbers:
        if p(n) * 2 > ( p(n-1) + p(n+1) ):
           if len(strongs) < AskedNumbers:
             strongs.append(p(n))
        if p(n) * 2 < ( p(n-1) + p(n+1)):
           if len(weaks) < AskedNumbers:
             weaks.append(p(n))
        n+=1
      print(strongs)
      print(weaks)

<comment><USER26> I am not familiar with Perl at all, though I am with list comprehensions, and FWIW I find the code very readable. (Though the lambda syntax was not obvious at first.)

What I would worry about is performance. But we are talking about top ten numbers, so whatever. (If it does actually matter, just precompute the lists.) But for larger sets I would check how is-prime is actually implemented :)

[EDIT: Grammar.]

</comment></comment><comment><USER27> I was a Perl 5 developer for over a decade and didn't recognize this as valid Perl.

<comment><USER28> this is not valid Perl, its Perl 6.

<comment><USER27> I understood it was about Perl 6, but I thought the article was starting off with some pseudo-code or some other language.

</comment></comment></comment><comment><USER29> So variables in Perl 6 can be _sigil-less_...by prefixing a backslash like my \p = [];

Umm.. backslash _is_ a sigil. Why do we need to add this ?

<comment><USER21> You only need the sigil during definition. So, for example (in the Perl 6 REPL):

        > my \x = 1
        1
        > my \y = 2
        2
        > say "Look Ma, no punctuation!" if x + y == 3
        Look Ma, no punctuation!

There are some implications of this; namely: x and y are now immutable. Back in the REPL:

        > my \x = 1
        1
        > x = 2
        Cannot modify an immutable Int (1)
          in block <unit> at <unknown file> line 1

This is because in Perl6 the sigil is a _container_ for the value represented by that variable, so since you don't have a sigil, you don't have a container; that is: the names "x" and "y" are now literal synonyms for "1" and "2" (respectively). "x = 2" fails here for the same exact reason (and with the same exact error message) you'd get if you tried to do "1 = 2".

<comment><USER14> Sweet explanation ;-)!

For those interested on learning more about containers in Raku, lizmat wrote a nice article about them [1]. There's also this documentation page [2] that gives a detailed overview of them, where you can find more about sigilless variables.

[1] [https://opensource.com/article/18/8/containers- perl-6](https://opensource.com/article/18/8/containers-perl-6)

[2] [https://docs.perl6.org/language/containers](https://docs.perl6.org/language/containers)

</comment></comment></comment><comment><USER30> Using "infinite" when you mean "lazily generated" is a large source of confusion for learners of math, computer science, and programming.

Infinite things don't exist in computing, and infinite things in math are not the same as lazily-generated things. Conflating terminology makes the truth harder to understand. People prove statements about infinite objects and then misapply them to lazily-generated objects.

<comment><USER27> The infinity symbol is part of the code. This is about "the first N elements of an infinite sequence".

Explaining laziness without infinite lists makes laziness harder to understand.</comment></comment>


Presentation Zen: Storytelling lessons from Bill Cosby - <AUTHOR> http://www.presentationzen.com/presentationzen/2011/06/storytelling-lessons-from-bill-cosby.html <comment><USER2> Good points. Storytelling is so important in delivering a message and having people successfully learn and remember it. I would say a key point is to keep in mind what you want the audience to actually remember from the story -- it's easier to tell a story and have people remember the interesting bits, but more difficult to structure the story in such a way that places the focus on the bits you would like the audience to remember. Daniel Willingham in his book "Why Students Don't like School" spends a decent amount of time talking about the value of good storytelling.

On another note, the Presentation Zen blogger and author, Garr Reynolds, was a professor in a course I took a few years ago. Although the class he was teaching at the time had nothing to do with giving presentations or speeches, he was so passionate about the topic that peripherally* I ended up learning more about giving great presentations from his class than any other class I've ever had (including Speech in college). His blog is a great source for improving too.

*The topic constantly came up and Garr constantly organized related events outside of class

<comment> T-R His class at Kansai Gaidai? Every time I read another one of his blog articles, I regret even more not taking his class when I had the chance.

<comment><USER3> I have fond memories of his classes (took 2). Possibly the only lecturer I've ever met who was actually trying to help his students get jobs by organizing networking events. Astounding.</comment></comment></comment>


We think our tool that tracks contact forms is unique, is anything similar? - <AUTHOR> http://www.convertable.com

<comment><AUTHOR> We're offering forever free for our beta users. Sometime in the future, we will charge a very reasonable fee for the use of the system.

</comment><comment><USER2> Hi. Pricing?</comment>


10 highly practical startup marketing tips from a SaaS marketer - <AUTHOR> http://purde.net/2016/06/10-practical-startup-marketing-tips/ <comment><USER2> On their own the tips are okay... It's clear they're based on experience, and they reflect my own experience as a marketing consultant.

Unfortunately they lose their practicality when put in an arbitrary list like this. Here's why:

1\. No founder has the time to execute on all 10 of these tips. And if they do, then each of the 10 tactics will only get a half-hearted attempt and yield few results.

2\. Perhaps they recognize they can't split their attention on all 10 things-- plus the 10 things from another article, and the 7 things from another, ...-- so they decide to focus on just 3. Now the problem: Which 3 do they choose? The tips vary in their practicality, so choosing the wrong 3 can result in a big waste of time and money.

For example:

> Customize your site with geo-specific elements.

Maybe it will result in "double-digit conversion lift," and maybe (most likely) it won't... But the same can be said for the 1,000 other conversion optimization tips.

There are too many better uses of time for an early stage startup--some of which you mention, such as experimenting with channels and measuring costs per acquisition--to be tweaking a word here and a button color there.

3\. Two prescriptive paragraphs on a subject as broad as "paid advertising" can do more harm than good. I've seen too many companies flushing money down the drain on AdWords without even realizing it. In one case, a company meant to advertise to _python_ developers but instead was using up their entire budget on clicks from people searching for snakes.

4\. Some of this is easier to say in retrospect than actually do in the present. For example:

> Define value proposition early.

Startups lack a good value prop not because they didn't think to do it sooner, but because it takes time to figure out what exactly is that value prop. As you said yourself, it takes many iterations and many conversations with users before you can reach the "a-ha" moment and figure out the magical sentence.

\---

All this to say: You obviously have great experience and a desire to share your knowledge, but you're doing yourself (and others) a disservice by diluting that knowledge into clickbait listicles.

<comment><AUTHOR> Never meant these as "do all these 10 things, and nothing else". Every startup is different and no-one should tell you what 3 or 10 things you should do. Perhaps tips #11 should have been: take all advice with a grain of salt.

And indeed, these tips were of unequal weight and difficulty - and advice that people find useful is sometimes a light tip and othertimes an almost philosophical approach.

I am not sorry to hear you found this post as disservice - can't please them all. But it came from a good place, so you know.

</comment></comment><comment><USER3> Bad advice. Cliches and not actionable items.

<comment><AUTHOR> Like a wise man once said: thank you for your feedback.

</comment></comment><comment><USER4> This is a great list of highly actionable items. Could you please elaborate a bit on the value proportion point?

<comment><AUTHOR> This is a post in itself. But I guess the main thing here is to take time for crafting a value prop before the time you urgently need it. Even if it's not perfect, start using it. When it works, great. If not, have another stan.

How to do it? Talking to lots of customers helped. Having founders keep talking about product vision until it started making sense to yours truly helped - there was development both on their and my part. Being in the business for more than 1-2 years helped as I developed a better sense of what customers wanted and what competitors were/are doing. Also, basic market research helped.</comment></comment>


How to find the latitude and longitude for international locations? - <AUTHOR>

Given just a zipcode (or postal code, for other international places) do you know of a simple way of getting the latitude, longitude and timezone of the location? A country code can be considered as well along with zip/postal code. <comment><USER2> There are a few ways. To find the Longitude and latitude: 1\. Google map your address or whatever. 2\. Don't move the map around. 3\. Erase your address bar and copy and paste "javascript:void(prompt('',gApplication.getMap().getCenter()));" without quotes in your address bar. 4\. Those are the coordinates.

To find the timezone if you click "more info" when you look up a postal code/zip code on google maps, it will give you the time zone under the entry name

EDIT: Now that I think about it, the easiest way would be through Google Earth, as your pointer is always being tracked. Just enter the zip code and hover over the marker.

<comment><AUTHOR> Sorry, I should have been a bit more clear with my question, I wanted to do this programatically. I can find the latitude/longitude based on US zipcodes but was wondering what would be the easiest and best way to find the same for international locations.</comment></comment>


I Want to Show Affection - <AUTHOR> Is our culture simply Puritanical to no end, or is it possible for a kiss to simply be a kiss?  I'm interested in creating a tribe that has affection as a cornerstone, and I wonder if this is so against the grain that it will just rile people up instead of bringing them together.  Can someone help me sort this out? <comment><USER2> There are plenty of communities that are based on open affection, join one. They are also based on consent. To share affection with someone, you must obtain consent.

However, don't try to enforce your desire for affection on the rest of society. Join a group which has agreed to it, and do that before trying to start your own so you can learn what works and what doesn't.</comment>


Ask HN: Looking for interns / entry level? - <AUTHOR> Is your company looking for interns for the summer?
Do you care more about talent than years of work experience?
Are you an inexperienced but ambitious hacker/designer/<anything which may be useful to a real company> looking for something more stimulating than mowing lawns?
This is your thread.
As always, if your position is location specific, please say so in the post. <comment><USER2> Chicago or New York. Paid. Help build a cool new Rails product, or contribute to security research on hugely important industry projects: you pick. We'll take on interns year round.

We're looking for exactly one thing: willingness to code (in any language).

<comment><USER3> Would you consider candidates from Canada?

<comment><USER4> Where in Canada are you?

<comment><USER3> I'm in Montreal. (firstname.lastname@example.com)

</comment></comment></comment></comment><comment><USER5> I'm a graduating fourth year Computer Science major at Georgia Tech looking for an entry level job. I code well in Python, Lisp, Java, C++, as well as having worked in Lua, Smalltalk, C, Netlogo and C#. My experience is mostly in Robotics in addition to Modeling and Simulation, however I've done some website work. I'm fairly well versed in algorithms as well. Contact me on my e-mail in my profile for a copy of my resume.

<comment><USER6> Hi I'm a Junior at Stanford in Biogeochemistry and Economics. I'm looking for a do-anything, put-on-different-hats ('cept coding as I've only taken intro CS) internship anywhere in the world (Bay Area, NYC, Mongolia, etc) for the summer- paid, unpaid, plastic tchotkes is all good.

Thanks! elee89 _at_ stanford dot edu

<comment><USER7> Hello, I too am a Junior studying Economics (at Northwestern University though). I am looking for anything paid or unpaid for this summer.

Feel free to check out my website <http://andregarrigo.com/> or shoot me an email firstname.lastname@example.com

I won't bite, promise!

</comment></comment></comment><comment><USER8> Here is a Google Doc with all the info from this thread. Feel free to add yourself.

[https://docs.google.com/Doc?docid=0ASrV38bNy1TlZHhqNjlmel8xM...](https://docs.google.com/Doc?docid=0ASrV38bNy1TlZHhqNjlmel8xMjdmN2Q4em5jZw&hl=en)

P.S. I'm looking for a marketing internship :)

</comment><comment><USER9> We're looking for an intern in Shanghai. Paid but not much (but more than enough to cover the cost of living in Shanghai)... You would be working on Rails app and play with cool and fun things like cappuccino, redis and mongodb. Possibility of getting hired full time later on.

So, if you want to discover China and join a small growing startup (we do both consulting and our own products), send me a mail at guillaume -squiggly sign- agiletomato.com.

We're also interested in designers...

<comment><USER10> Thats looks like a great opportunity, wish you were looking for marketing people

<comment><USER9> send me an email, a friend of mine was looking for marketing people... so I'll forward him your contact...

<comment><USER11> Do you know any Marketing positions in the NY area?

</comment></comment></comment></comment><comment><USER12> We're Timetric. We're based in London and working on helping people find and make sense of the statistics they need.

<http://timetric.com/>

On the development side, if you're into things like visualization and interactive information design, statistics and financial mathematics, finding and cleaning up data, metadata and search systems, machine learning... then we should talk. We're also interested in speaking to prospective business development interns. Email me - email@example.com.

<comment><USER13> Out of curiosity have you developed your own time-series database to do the analysis ? - your api looks much nicer than other time-series databases like KX which I've used.

<comment><USER12> Thanks! Yes, we rolled our own - on top of Tokyo Tyrant ([http://blog.timetric.com/2009/05/upgrading-the-timetric- back...](http://blog.timetric.com/2009/05/upgrading-the-timetric-backend/)).

<comment><USER13> I've just been having a play around with Timetric and it looks pretty neat.

I used to be the developer for Bloomberg's CIX (an excel like language for historical & real-time financial time-series calculations) so it's always interesting to see new people in the space :-)

I'm based in London as well, so if you'd fancy grabbing coffee or something sometime feel free to shoot me an email.

<comment><USER12> You have mail! (I hope.)

</comment></comment></comment></comment></comment><comment><USER14> I'm a fourth year mechanical engineer located in Sydney, Australia. I like making things, either code based (eg, python, django, matlab) or mechanical based (eg, suspension systems). For any questions, reach me at email@example.com.

Even though news.yc has a large slant on the northern hemisphere, I'm interested to see if there is much going in the southern hemisphere.

</comment><comment><USER15> I hope it's OK to post this here, but I'm looking for an entry level position in the software industry myself. An internship would be great as well, especially if there's a possibility of getting hired full-time afterwards:

<http://careers.stackoverflow.com/kyle>

email@example.com

</comment><comment><USER16> Snaptic is hiring interns and full time.

We build apps for Android / iPhone, and have shiny backend goodies.

#1 productivity app on Android, and TechCrunch/MobileCrunch named us(3banana) one of the top ten apps on Android.

We speak scala, Obj-C, java, python, Thrift, whatever gets the job down.

Please shoot us an email at email@example.com

Looking for folks to come hack with us in South Park, SF.

<comment><USER16> ^down^done

</comment></comment><comment><USER17> We're hiring at Mixpanel (YC S09) - web analytics startup located in Mountain View, CA. You'd get to work on cool user-facing stuff that helps lots of other startups.

Email us at firstname.lastname@example.com, further details: <http://mixpanel.com/jobs>

</comment><comment><USER18> We're looking for an intern to live in our guest room near Lake Tahoe and program. Email me at email@example.com.

You should like dogs and the outdoors, and expect little to no pay, beyond room and board. If you want to get here in the winter, that's fine too. The skiing is great.

</comment><comment><USER19> I'm a CS/Economics student in Romania. I'll be graduating this summer and looking for an internship (remote would be great, but relocating is also an option). I have experience with python and various web frameworks (mainly Django and TurboGears, but I've enjoyed fooling around with Rails, Sinatra and web.py). I'm familiar with HTML/CSS and the HTTP. I'm completely self-taught in these technologies, but have also picked up some C and C++ from school.

I'm an opensource community guy, being a contributing member of various local FLOSS communities. I'm also a member of the Fedora Project, having contributed as a packager, web developer and participated in GSOC2009.

</comment><comment><USER20> Seeking Co-founder for Flixa, a service to help independent filmmaker self- distribute their films online. Telecommute.

Look at my profile for more info.

EDIT: Also should mention I'm applying to YC, so if you wanted to do this but needed an idea here's your chance!

<comment><USER7> email sent.

:)

<comment><USER20> Thanks for the interest. Email replied!

</comment></comment></comment><comment><USER21> I'm a high school senior looking for a programming internship for the summer. I'm admittedly quite inexperienced(both in terms of hobbyist activities, having worked on no projects of any significant size, and in terms of work in the field, of which I have no experience yet), but I am a fast learner and a very hard worker when I have a project to work towards. I'd be happy to take either a paid or an unpaid internship, although unpaid internships could be a problem if they required me to relocate outside of Tennessee because I don't know that I could afford to find housing.

</comment><comment><USER22> We're in Mountain View (SF Bay Area) looking for Rails/JRuby/Java coders, preferably folks who are okay with all three. I got hired with just Rails experience, so you might too if you're good :-)

If you've played with JRuby and have strong opinions on how Ruby and Java should integrate, that'd be a big plus.

This is usually a full-time job, with no problem with entry-level folk. But I'll bet we'd be happy to have an intern as well. I'll ask the guys at work :-)

It's a small programming team (about 8 full-time), but a very stable non- startup company. You won't get rich, but you'll have a lot of say in what we're doing.

</comment><comment><USER23> We're hiring a bunch (interns and full-timers in search engineering, search tools, query intelligence) at AT&T Interactive (YellowPages.com) in Glendale CA. Email me for more info: email@example.com.

</comment><comment><USER24> Junior in the CS program at the University of Arizona.

I love Python, can code well in Java, and am picking up C this semester. I like networking (I participate in a Networks Research Lab), finance, and all things grandiose and complicated. I need to get away from University jobs that entail plugging in cables or adding content to websites. I want to write production software. I'm free for this Summer and looking for an internship that's paid (or at least living expenses covered) and one that's hopefully outside the state of Arizona (or even the US! :).

Kevin Luikens (email@example.com)

<comment><USER25> You should come to a Tucson Startup Drinks get together.

It's a combination of small business and startup business owners and employees in the Tucson area. There also tends to be a lot of like-minded students in attendance.

The google group is much more active than the website.

<http://tucson.startupdrinks.com/>

</comment></comment><comment><USER26> We (<http://www.rethinkdb.com>) are looking for summer interns for software engineering and business development. Software guys should have good knowledge of C/C++ and basic computer science, and have good problem solving skills. Biz dev guys should have lots of chutzpah.

We're offering extremely interesting and challenging problems (on both ends), and some pay. We nearly guarantee that you'll learn more in these three months than you have in any three months since you were five. Email us at firstname.lastname@example.com.

</comment><comment><USER27> We're looking for either marketing or engineering interns to join Smarkets in London for a minimum of three months. Our front-end is Django and back-end Erlang with a nifty RESTful API.

<http://smarkets.com>

Smarkets is a simple and social place to bet online. Our tech team is top notch and we recently launched publicly. For more information: <http://smarkets.com/about/internships/>

</comment><comment><USER28> Yelp's looking for coders in SF, both full-time and as summer interns: <http://www.yelp.com/jobs>

<comment><USER29> Submitted my resume (but forgot to attach cover letter, darn), thanks for the heads up! Seems like it'd be a cool place to work.

</comment></comment><comment><USER30> True Ventures is looking for interns graduating in 2011 or 2012 for our summer TEC program this summer in the Bay Area. As a member of our program, you will be paired with one of our companies and spend eight weeks working on a variety of projects both appropriate to your background and skillset and of value to the company. There is a stipend paid for the completion of the summer program.

<comment><USER10> Any options for students graduating this year, sounds like an amazing opportunity. I'd love to chat more, pjharrin [at] gmail d0t com

</comment></comment><comment><USER31> I'm experienced with a variety of technologies, although I'm currently most competent with python. I have a lot of experience doing web development and web-scraping/spidering in python.

I have the understanding of (X)HTML, CSS, javascript, and HTTP that comes with making web-apps in languages that aren't necessarily just beefed-up templating languages.

I also have working knowledge of C, and can read a smattering of other languages.

Extensive experience administering linux servers, minor (but growing) experience with BSD. Can work with windows.

I'm in NE Ohio. I'm open to remote work, or relocating, but am currently suffering from a bad case of brokeitis, so I would either need to be offered a relocation package, or work remotely for a month or two to acquire the necessary funds. Unless you're in NE Ohio, that is.

If you have any questions, would like to see an example of work I've done, or would like to contact me for any other reason, shoot me an email at email@example.com

</comment><comment><USER32> I'm a senior at WPI, an ECE major. I also have a good CS background. I have experience with systems programming and software defined radio. For contact info and my CV check out: <http://users.wpi.edu/~dkelly/>

My first preference is to work in the New England area, but I'm open to anything.

</comment><comment><USER33> I'd love to find a generalist who can try to find cool, scalable ways to help a rapidly growing, profitable company get really reliable, efficient, and secure. We're located right on Union Square in New York, and we specialize in the profitable parts of the music industry.

Oh, and this would be a paid, full-time job, not an internship.

<comment><USER34> contact information?

<comment><USER33> Sorry! Thought I'd updated my profile with it. Here's my work address: <http://imgur.com/zEwd6.jpg>

Mention hacker news in the subject.

</comment></comment></comment><comment><USER35> I'm willing to hire an intern (or, ideally, recent grad/dropout). We're doing all sorts of cool stuff, from Machine Learning in Lisp, to a JS heavy website, to iPhone, Android, etc apps.

Incidentally, we're also looking for a marketing intern - but that's probably less interesting to the people here.

Strong preference for NYC. My email is in my profile.

<comment><USER24> Would the intern be working on Postabon?

<comment><USER35> Yep! There are a lot of exciting things happening with Postabon in the last few weeks (on both the business and tech sides) that I can't talk about publicly yet :-D But let's talk if you're interested in some details and think you might be a good fit.

<comment><USER24> Cool. Email sent.

</comment></comment></comment></comment><comment><USER36> We're looking for someone to do some high quality customer service, but that has a healthy understanding of IT (we sell IT products and services). Want to trial someone for a week or two first. (Unpaid) which then may move to part/full time paid. Would suit someone still studying.

We're also looking for anyone that'd be interested in Delphi.net coding, working under a senior developer (unpaid currently).

Actually. If you're looking for any kind of work where you can push your skill set and get a good reference, just email me at firstname.lastname@example.com -- we're based in the UK but _you_ can be based _anywhere_ as we're do everything remotely.

PS. If i don't reply to you within two days, it may mean i havent received your email (aggressive spam filter) in which case, tweet me at twitter.com/KhuramMalik

Thank you.

</comment><comment><USER37> LSE.ac.uk IS grad, LAMP, Mostly interested in business/marketing/managerial type of work on a technical project, or with at least some technical component. You'd be a fun, serious, results-oriented team that has an idea of what you want to achieve. I am not a designer, but we'd be focusing on good design/presentation as much as on you bottom line. Ideally, telecommuting for a non-US based comapany, some travel is fine especially if you are located on a tropical island ;).

Someday, I'd like to do "something" at the intersection of Technology/Travel/Health and Wellness/Sustainability just to help keep things nice while doing something fun.

PO Box: khalamx | abv.bg - Free Response!

</comment><comment><USER38> I'm currently in my senior year at the University of Minnesota Duluth, finishing up my Computer Science degree. I really enjoy programming in general without an allegiance to any one particular language. The past two summers I've interned for IBM in Rochester MN. Right now, I'm looking for an entry level job in or around the Minneapolis area. I don't know if there's a big Minneapolis crowd on this site, but I thought I'd put myself out there if anyone is out there. My email is in my profile if anyone is interested.

</comment><comment><USER39> I'm a sophomore CompSci and Econ major located in Silicon Valley (Santa Cruz, to be specific). I'm an experienced rails coder, and am also proficient in Obj-c, java (though I try to avoid it) and javascript. My most recent project was a classroom automation system with a ruby backend, a Qt-based touchscreen GUI and a Sproutcore web app, with everything stored in CouchDB. I'm looking for an interesting internship from mid-May to the end of August. I can be reached at firstname.lastname@example.com (remove the A).

</comment><comment><USER40> META: It'd probably be more helpful for this to show up in the fall instead of in the spring. Many students are extended (and accept) internship offers prior to the start of the Spring Semester.

Editted to add: This is is no way a complaint about this thread showing up now. I'll definitely be forwarding it along to folks I know here and do appreciate it. I'd just appreciate having _two_ , one with the fall recruiting cycle and one with the spring.

<comment><USER40> It's probably worth adding that I'm quite pleased with the internship offer I've been extended and that when I _really_ would have appreciated it was during freshman/sophomore year when options were more limited.

I just think it'd probably help out the companies looking for interns (realistically, possible future hires) to get in early.

</comment></comment><comment><USER41> I'm a 4th-year Cognitive Science student in Vancouver who can handle average computing projects, including experience in python, pylab, and django. I'd like to stay in the Vancouver area as I have classes as well. I have an understanding of writing, human factors, and user-interface design. I also have focused knowledge in the fields of psychology, computer science, linguistics, philosophy, and biology. (I like being a generalist).

<comment><USER4> Send me an email.

</comment></comment><comment><USER42> I'm currently a senior math major at Emory College, looking for an interesting entry-level job or an internship with the possibility of being hired afterwards. I've taught myself C, Python, ObjC, and Mathematica; I'm very fond of learning new things and I don't mind teaching myself when I need to. I want to do something new and challenging. I don't mind moving to another location. My e-mail address is in my profile.

</comment><comment><USER43> If you want to intern at a rapidly-growing startup, whatever you're skill set, there may be a position for you at CarWoo! Email me if you're interested.

</comment><comment><USER44> I'm a graduate student at RIT and I'm looking for an internship where I can work on computer graphics from the mathematical/programming side. Most of my experience is with C/C++ and OpenGL. Currently I'm working on Renderman shaders for a black hole visualization project.

If anyone is looking for an intern to do some work with graphics let me know at jxl6110 _at_ rit _dot_ edu .

I can start in March and work through the end of summer.

</comment><comment><USER45> I'm a semester away from graduating with a computer science degree in the Los Angeles area. I'm looking for any positions available that can be contract based and remotely worked (although I would be willing to come in for any any meetings here and there) I have programming experience for over 5 years, and currently do freelance web development. My email is: topqadmin [at] gmail [dot] com

</comment><comment><USER46> Currently looking for work in the Toronto area so that I can move back. Though I'm not looking for an internship, I'll throw my hat in since people seem to be pimping non-internship jobs too. Actual experience with Java/Groovy/Perl/C, non-work experience with Python/C++/PHP4/awk/etc. Very mild experience with Cocoa/ObjC/OpenGL. (Practically entry-level as I only have ~1 year of experience)

firstname.lastname@example.com

</comment><comment><USER47> We're looking for full time paid summer interns in the Cleveland area. Looking mostly for programmers, but if you're a marketing person with a hacker- oriented outlook, shoot me an email (included on my profile). We can fly you out here and help you find summer housing. We're looking for folks with backgrounds (or willingness to learn) python, actionscript, or general web dev prowess.

</comment><comment><USER10> I'm a graduating Economics student in Canada, looking to move to the bay area. Entrepreneurship experience, getting involved in coding more currently taking my 2nd coding class (with plans to take more in the future). Lots of extracurricular experience, including putting a TEDx event together in February. Looking for entry level in marketing, QA or project management.

</comment><comment><USER48> I'm going to school in Bellevue, WA (north-east side, bordering Redmond). I'm interested in part-time work at the moment and full-time when the semester is over. My top two languages are Python and PHP, though I'm proficient in C/C++ and Java and I can read Lisp pretty easily. Most of my experience is in web apps and simple 2D video games.

</comment><comment><USER49> Manymoon is hiring full-time engineers (<http://bit.ly/9sdEmA>) and an intern (<http://bit.ly/b8yE8N>).

We're a small, funded startup in San Francisco that's already generating revenue. Manymoon is also a top-rated application for Google Apps.

Please contact email@example.com

</comment><comment><USER50> I'm a junior/CS major at Wesleyan University looking for a paid internship in the northeast.

My current big project is in Rails, but I'd be happy to be doing pretty much any startup-related development/UI design. (I also know Python/Java well, and I've done work in Haskell, Scala, and a lot of other things.)

samdk.com

mail name: sam, domain: defabbiakane.com

</comment><comment><USER51> Academia.edu is looking for developer interns in our San Francisco office:

<http://academia.edu/jobs/developer_intern>

We value enthusiasm, motivation and curiosity over experience in our interns, and we give you challenging projects to work on.

</comment><comment><USER52> I'm a fourth year bioengineering major @ UCLA looking to switch fields into something more hacker - User exp. design or simply coding. Have done some coursework in C++/run a website w/ drupal @ www.bruinco.com. Would love to work an internship in Bay Area or LA.

</comment><comment><USER8> Are there companies here who are looking for marketing interns that embody the hacking lifestyle?

<comment><USER47> Sure, shoot me an email if you're interested. I checked out your blog, and you're actually dealing with quite a few of the marketing challenges that we're facing in the educational market.

The comment about marketing to students: "Marketing to college students is like being in marketing boot camp. You deal with one of the most distracted audiences and if you get them to do stuff you're good" seems to ring true for me.

Also, I liked your idea for online social marketing for Universities to students. It's an interesting concept, I wonder if it will bear fruit.

</comment></comment><comment><USER53> BackType is looking for interns (San Francisco): <http://backtype.theresumator.com/apply/F38wS3/>

More info here: <http://www.backtype.com/jobs>

</comment><comment><USER54> I'm a freshman majoring in CS at Wisconsin-Madison looking for an internship this summer. I'm experienced in Ruby/Rails and PHP, and I have some experience in Clojure and Java. Location isn't too important. My email is email@example.com

</comment><comment><USER55> UK, graduate mathematician from Imperial College London looking for entry level position. Specialise in machine learning, financial mathematics, programming: C, C++, Python, Matlab. Contact for CV: dmn001 <AT> gmail.com

</comment><comment><USER56> ProcrasDonate: Boston, MA startup looking for technical teammate, though will take anyone with passion (sales, community building, PR, etc)

<http://ProcrasDonate.com>

django, python, javascript<\---for real

</comment><comment><USER57> We're hiring devs (paid, full time) at graduate level in London we're working on Mobile payments, SMS, MMS VoIP

<http://www.mxtelecom.com/uk/careers/roles/softdev>

</comment><comment><USER58> CS Junior at Worcester Polytechnic Institute looking for a web development internship in the Boston area. Skilled in Python, Django, Java, Linux and more. Email email@example.com for a resume.

</comment><comment><USER59> Track.com is looking for a summer intern or two with a CS background and some web development experience. Django experience is a plus. Based in Manhattan. Contact rich@ if interested.

</comment><comment><USER60> Brooklyn, NY - we're always looking for interns with development, design or marketing backgrounds.

<http://www.ad60.com/jobs/>

<comment><USER11> What kind of company are you? Are internships paid? I'm in the NY area.

</comment></comment><comment><USER61> my company is looking to hire at least 1 intern for the summer, paid. It's a media monitoring mature startup located in the NOVA/DC area. You'd be working on the team that builds the system that gathers the data. It's all Java. So if you like data mining massive amounts of data on the web, you should send an email to firstname.lastname@example.com. I'm not making any hiring decisions but I'll pass it along to someone who is.

</comment><comment><USER62> bit.ly is looking for dev interns in NYC this summer.

If you're ambitious, curious, and like the idea of big data and high traffic volumes, drop us a line at jobs @ bit.ly

</comment><comment><USER63> Think is hiring in Palo Alto.

<http://www.thinkcomputer.com/corporate/jobs/>

We're working on mobile payments.

</comment><comment><USER64> I am looking for a UI developer as intern in Mumbai, India. Skills required are graphics design, photoshop, HTML, CSS and javascript.

Connect with me on LinkedIn.

</comment><comment><USER65> I'm graduating from CMU with Cognitive Science + HCI this semester; looking for entry-level jobs in FE engineering, Rails.

More info + links on profile.

</comment><comment><USER66> I just graduated college and am looking for an entry level job or internship in front-end design (CSS/HTML/JS/PHP/MySQL).

firstname.lastname@example.com

</comment><comment><USER67> We're looking for interns to do Android and iPhone development. Pay. Philadelphia only. Email me at firstname.lastname@example.com

</comment><comment><USER68> We're looking for an Android developer in Lincoln, Nebraska. We want to port our iPhone apps to Android.

</comment><comment><USER69> This might be more useful as a gdoc of some sort (similar to the call for cofounders from a while back?)

</comment><comment><USER70> Crazy but I'll give it a shot: We're looking for someone..... in Jordan

If you're around, drop me an email :) We want you!

</comment><comment><USER71> We are looking for interns in nyc to help develop/market our alternative to affiliate programs

</comment><comment><USER72> Facebook: www.facebook.com/careers . You can also shoot me a resume.

<comment><USER10> email?

<comment><USER72> firstname.lastname@example.com

</comment></comment></comment><comment><USER73> We're looking for an intern eager to learn Ruby in the Miami area. Should be a hacker type and know at least one computer language in-depth. We're paying a modest stipend monthly $1,000.00 - firstname.lastname@example.com

<comment><USER74> Your front page is missing two "."s, which is ironic considering that you use "Period" as a sentence. Hope this helps.</comment></comment>


Uber's self-driving cars start picking up passengers in San Francisco - <AUTHOR> https://techcrunch.com/2016/12/14/ubers-self-driving-cars-start-picking-up-passengers-in-san-francisco/ <comment><USER2> Actually these Uber Volvo self driving cars have been picking up passengers using UberX in San Francisco for weeks. They're easy to spot because they have a huge lidar contraption on the roof and a lot of camera's mounted on the roof, rear vision mirrors, and the rear tailgate of the vehicle. The depot they use is on Harrison and 3rd so you see a lot of them driving around the area just south of Market Street, which has a lot of traffic obstacles, construction, and pedestrians. They go very slow and stop often out of an abundance of caution, much to the consternation of impatient SF drivers behind them.

<comment><USER3> I've never understood why people think traffic will move faster with self driving cars. The status quo is drivers driving well beyond the physical capabilities to stop given the conditions at hand. Sure, they _might_ be able to cut down on reaction time, but they still can't do anything about physics.

Given that these vehicles will shift the risk model from driver to manufacturer, and subsequently programmed to obey the laws (which include right of way), we might actually see pedestrians and cyclists using their right of way instead of being bullied away from it.

The idea that cars can communicate with each other so they could drive closer together and faster is complete bullshit...Sure, it's possible, but what profit-driven company would ever take that risk knowing the real-world reliability of wireless communication?

The idea that they won't drive around looking for parking? Welcome to your traffic jam of the future: [https://twitter.com/yann_rouen/status/807781862022246401](https://twitter.com/yann_rouen/status/807781862022246401)

Pretty much all the evidence points to very slow traffic in the future of self driving cars. As someone who mostly walks everywhere, I'm pretty excited.

<comment><USER4> A lot of traffic jams are so called shockwave/phantom traffic jams and a lot of other ones are where lanes have to merge in each other. Those could be avoided with self driving cars. Maybe in the beginning they will be too cautious for that, but after some time and experience, I'm sure these optimizations will be implemented.

It may not make the traffic in downtown SF faster, but it sure will make the traffic on the 101 from SF to San Jose faster. And good luck walking that.

<comment><USER3> Those won't go away. They might be mitigated, but once again, you can only mitigate the portion that is due to driver error, and the major problem in those scenarios is physics.

The shock wave phenomenon is one caused by physics (it literally is modeled by fluid dynamics simulation), exacerbated by limited visibility, and exacerbated once again by human reaction times. You can only get rid of the human reaction times, and maybe a little bit of visibility due to communication (although I'm extremely skeptical that there is any incentive for cars to rely on wireless communication to make decisions).

Lanes merging is a physical bottleneck. Sure, humans might make the merge worse, but speed is still limited by the capacity bottleneck, not the friction of the merge. The zipper merge has never proven to be faster, merely safer and more space efficient. You'll get to the bottleneck faster, and cars that try to exit before the bottleneck will get out of your way faster, but that's about it.

<comment><USER5> Those traffic waves are in large part psychology though. If every car traveled at the average speed you wouldn't have them. If even just 10% are self driving and have data on average speed for that section of road, they can not only avoid the wave but break them up, making traffic better for everyone.

I've even done this myself. I see a standing wave in front of me and slow to what I know is about average for that time of time. People cut in front of me as the gap gets bigger, but by the time I get to the choke point the wave dissolves as I pass through, and everyone behind me who was pissed about my slow speed is suddenly happy.

<comment><USER3> I'm not convinced, and I don't think there is very much evidence either way. Are the traffic waves caused by erratic driving due to driver error at misjudging average speed? Or is it more caused by small fluctuations due to actual and unavoidable conditions? Would a self driving car see a plastic bag blowing in the wind and slam on its brakes, or drive right through it? What about a kitten? What about a bowling ball, or an unsecured 2x4 falling off a truck? Any one of those situations can cause a shock wave.

We know, due to fluid dynamics simulation, that reduced reaction times will make traffic more resilient to small fluctuations in speed (they can "recover" from the shock wave with lower space requirements), but when the freeway is at capacity there is no recovery room and the shock wave will happen regardless of reaction time.

<comment><USER6> I try to leave 10-20 car lengths between myself and the next vehicle in this kind of stop-and-go heavy traffic. No waves for me! The anti-traffic essays indicate that doing what I'm doing will actually speed up the breakup of a traffic jam.

<comment><USER7> That's true, but depending on the local driving culture, this may just lead to many vehicles cutting in front of you and making the gap vanish. In metro NY/NJ, at stop-and-go speeds on freeways, 1 to 2 car lengths seems to be about as much as you can safely leave without it quickly being snatched away. Too bad.

<comment><USER6> Cars cutting you does not make the gap vanish - you just have to slow down marginally more for a short amount of time.

</comment></comment></comment></comment></comment></comment></comment></comment></comment><comment><USER8> Uber's product is the company's stock. All of their "AI" and "self-driving" stunts so far have been transparent hype fuel that anyone with the slightest domain knowledge knows have no practical significance.

Their PR department are, as can be expected, top notch though. I especially like how they put a populist spin on their announcements, like the beer delivery (yay, beer!) and now picking up passengers with their proof-of- concept vehicles, to make it look like self-driving cars are already part of their business.

<comment><USER9> Nah, Uber and Lyft CEOs both said they envision a future where we don't own cars and just call self driving taxi services via app when we need them. They both envision this happening in less than a decade. This seems to be coming true, millennials have the lowest rate of car ownership and it seems to be the best explanation for why both companies are willing to bleed money to expand market-share as quickly a possible in the mobile taxi app game.

<comment><USER10> Why not use trains or buses. Thousands of cars compared to a single train seems inefficient.

<comment><USER11> The age old last mile problem. I don't think anyone is suggesting getting rid of mass transit and in fact self driving cars could be the best thing ever happen to mass transit (no need to park at the train station if coming from the suburbs).

[https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Last_mile_(transportation)](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Last_mile_\(transportation\))

<comment><USER12> When a whole suburb is taking self-driving car every morning to get to the train, I guess someone will innovate and start offering rides in a minibus or even a bus.

<comment> ygjb-dupe Nah, self driving electric vehicles with 6 seats operating on an UberPOOL model will dominate, and it wouldn't be surprising to see the UberPOOL model be extended to a subscription service as well where you simply pay a commit for the service level each month, get an included number of trips, and a further discounted on trips over that number.

Having the commit will make it maore feasible to fund vehicles that are intended for a specific area, and the pool model allows Uber to recover margin during pricing surges and users who don't want to pay the commit (after all, the discount on the fare would only apply to the portion of the pool fare ascribed to the subscribed to the passenger).

<comment><USER7> One neat thing about this (that probably won't end up making that big a difference for most people, just those few with high-mileage commutes in low traffic areas) is minivans can safely go faster on the freeway than buses.

</comment></comment></comment></comment></comment></comment></comment><comment><USER13> How is this going to combat people who make a mess inside the vehicle after going 100 percent without human drivers/test engineers? If it picks up a drunk person at 3 AM who then throws up inside the car, is it vomit-aware and knows it needs a cleaning before picking up the next passenger?

<comment><USER14> The same way ZipCar, Car2Go and every other car-sharing solution deals with this?

<comment><USER15> "Not very well."

</comment></comment></comment><comment><USER16> They describe this as a third-generation vehicle, but it still requires multiple human-driver interventions over a single journey. How many more generations to reach reliable true autonomy?

<comment><USER17> My opinion as a researcher in AI/ML but without any expertise in self-driving tech:

We are a _long way_ from where I would be willing to trust my life to self- driving cars - as a passenger, as another driver on the streets, as a cyclist, or as a pedestrian. Much farther away than these companies press releases make it seem.

Here's why. These driving algorithms are successful in large part because of data. They train their systems, such as visual recognition (what are the objects in the world around me), on millions of miles of visual data collected on the roads, most of it in California in the sunny daytime.

This means they are very likely to perform well in the average case when everything goes according to plan. And if deployed there they might live up to the hype and save thousands of lives compared to human drivers.

But now say you're in a major city in the midwest or northeast, for instance. It may be night time. It might be raining. There might be two feet of snow on the ground, narrow lanes, road signs covered up and unreadable. There may be a pedestrian crossing in dark colors. The street lines may be faded or nonexistent. There may be a street that is marked one way on the GPS map but is currently detoured the opposite direction due to construction.

There may be a policeman directing traffic. The police might pull the car over and direct it to a parking lot. There might be a fire truck or ambulance coming at an unusual time.

A computerized system trained on data can only perform well in situations very similar to its training set. But its vision will have a hard time recognizing objects it hasn't seen before. Its language processing will not understand unusual or novel road signs. Even if it recognizes the objects around it correclty, it lacks the "true" intelligence to deal with unforeseen situations falling significantly outside its training set.

I believe that cars are quite likely to run into novel situations they haven't experienced before, and I don't trust their reactions or decisionmaking in these scenarios. So I think what we have are self-driving cars that perform very well in the common, easy case, as we have already seen in numerous press releases, but are in my opinion very unpredictable in the long, fat tail of situations.

<comment><USER18> I think you are missing the most important part here. These cars are always online and share data between them. They have a detailed map of every street and every road bump and every road pole/sign that can be used for navigation. Even if everything is in snow and the camera/lidar is frozen and can't see anything, these cars know exactly where they are and where the road is from predictive navigation based on speed, direction, road shape/bumps from previous data that was collected from 1000s of passes before that on that very same road. At first AI cars will probably avoid certain areas that have not been mapped. Each car will signal any unexpected road blocks, data will be sent realtime to a human operator who will script a walkthrough in seconds. Such as "ok, you are legitimately stuck in traffic right now, just wait" or "ok, there is a crashed car ahead of you so the right-turning lane is closed, move into the left lane and you can turn right from here as an exception". There will be humans like ATC in all cases.

Police and emergency services will just coordinate with the "ATC" to pre- script routes differently depending on the situation.

<comment><USER19> Dead reckoning is pretty bad by itself but with GPS it probably wouldn't be too bad.

</comment></comment></comment></comment><comment><USER20> I ride a motorcycle in SF daily and frequently "split lanes". I saw one of the Ubers all decked out with spinning radar and wondered how it would react as I passed through at 10-15mph. There was a person at the steering wheel, I am not sure who was in control. Thankfully it was uneventful. I thought the car might brake or veer away from me.

<comment><USER21> I'd be curious as well, but after lane splitting in the bay area, my default assumption would be that a self-driving car would react in a safer way. In my experience most lane splitting close calls are due to inattentive drivers changing lanes without signalling or randomly shifting position within their own lane.

</comment></comment><comment><USER22> Just saw this: [https://electrek.co/2016/12/14/uber-autonomous-rides- califor...](https://electrek.co/2016/12/14/uber-autonomous-rides-california/)

I am confused do they require a permit or is uber changing the claim/capabilities of the car to evade getting a permit?

<comment><USER23> No permit as far as I can tell. They have drivers actively monitoring their vehicles at all times and are playing semantic games right now as that article says. The biggest disappointment to me is the way they're deliberately ignoring NHTSA's guidelines around collision and near-miss data sharing.

<comment><USER23> Definitely no permit. They just got slapped with a stop order: [http://www.recode.net/2016/12/14/13962698/uber-dmv-self- driv...](http://www.recode.net/2016/12/14/13962698/uber-dmv-self-driving-cars- stop-order)

</comment></comment></comment><comment><USER24> I wonder if everything you say & do is recorded in these? The car has all those cameras covering the outside of the vehicle, it would be little effort to add another inside, and I doubt Uber will be able to resist.

Uber could claim they need to record passengers in order to spot damage or dirtying of the cab. (Otherwise passengers could blame any damage on the previous occupant.)

<comment><USER25> > The car has all those cameras covering the outside of the vehicle

This raises a good point i never thought about. If in some day all of our cars have self driving or self aware features, then that means nearly all locations in the city are within reach of cameras and possibly microphones. I'm not "a paranoid" about privacy stuff, but that is quite impressive nonetheless.

The future is going to be quite interesting. I always thought we'd end up with cameras on every street corner monitoring everything. I never thought our own cars could become every present monitoring devices.

<comment><USER26> Your phone is more omnipresent and knows about as much as your car would.

<comment><USER25> Yes but i'm not trying to evade detection. If i was, i would obviously not bring a phone with me. I can't however, avoid all cars, everywhere.

</comment></comment></comment></comment><comment><USER27> As a Canadian, I wonder how anyone in this industry can create an autonomous vehicle that can safely drive during winter?

<comment><USER28> The biggest problem human drivers have in winter weather is simply driving too fast. Self-driving cars won't get impatient and will presumably never exceed safe speeds for given conditions.

<comment><USER29> Having lived nearly my whole life in Michigan, I think this grossly oversimplifies the problem. I'm sure my Canadian friends will agree. This assumes there's some clear algorithm for determining a "safe" speed. There's not.

Even in highway driving you can lose traction in an instant if you hit a patch of black ice. Autonomous vehicles will need to be able to recover from a complete loss of traction safely. This isn't trivial - in fact it's probably the most complicated bit of driving I tend to do. Once you are sliding and your steering wheel becomes more of a suggestion than a command, the entire act of driving becomes a process of trying to coax the car off the road using a combination of steering, brakes, and even occasionally gas. I think it's possible for a computer to do this - but you can't avoid all slides just by driving slowly.

Then there's the plethora of other winter fun you run into with a vehicle: getting stuck (happens all the time on city streets) and all the techniques to get unstuck, going too slow and losing your momentum (and thus traction), having every indication you have traction and then discovering you actually don't (it's very easy to be driving at a "safe" speed and still slide through an intersection), white out conditions where you are guessing where the lane is... etc...

To be clear, I believe most of these conditions could eventually be handled by computers. I also believe a lot of people drive too fast in/on snow. However, winter driving is in no way simple. It's a problem domain unto itself, and one I've seen relatively little work being done on.

<comment><USER30> You may be correct that relatively little work is being done in this area, however I think you overstate the difficulty.

Winter driving is really no different from any other kind of driving in which the driver exceeds the limits of the vehicle's available traction. The methods of recovery are mostly well-known; the problem is more often the driver's inability to implement them in a timely manner.

Constant input from wheel speed and accelerometer sensor arrays, coupled with the vehicle's ability to individually brake/slow wheels (which also gives the vehicle the ability to accelerate individual wheels independently!) means that it could be a far easier 'problem' for self-driving cars to solve than it is for humans.

Again, if they're working on it :) But there's already been decades of work put into ABS, traction/stability control, etc.

<comment><USER29> > Winter driving is really no different from any other kind of driving in > which the driver exceeds the limits of the vehicle's available traction.

I actually agree with this statement. The problem is that, in good conditions, low traction events are rare, and often caused by catastrophic conditions. In winter driving it's practically the norm, once you leave well traveled roadways.

I think AI could be trained to drive a car that only occasionally has full traction, and probably more effectively than a person given enough time. But again - it's like you said - someone needs to be addressing this case directly.

</comment></comment></comment></comment></comment><comment><USER31> Bit of a conspiracy theory sort of question, but... is there any reason to believe that maybe self-driving car technology is being backed by the military-industrial complex as a way to run R&D for military automation and related technologies? That could explain why there was a sudden spike in interest in this technology several years ago, and it could also explain why enormous amounts of hype are continually being generated for a technology that is probably still quite far away from being approved for fully automated road use.

<comment><USER32> There's no conspiracy about it - that is exactly what happened, and it happened right out in the open, in the form of the DARPA Grand Challenge races in 2004-2007. The explicitly stated goal of those races was to motivate research into autonomous vehicles that would enable the US military to begin converting its ground vehicles to autonomous operation. The much-hyped commercial applications are a spin-off.

<comment><USER33> The DARPA challenge is somewhat of an orthogonal use case. The DARPA challenge was based off of an autonomous vehicle that doesn't have extensively pre- mapped roads; it is in rough terrain. The vehicle had to alter its route on- the-fly if it encountered impassable obstacles. It also didn't have to concern itself with traffic. I presume the use case is getting materiel to troops without risking human drivers. This is important considering IEDs were a major source of injury and death for coalition troops in the most recent wars.

Google/Waymo and its successors are using pre-mapped courses with many heuristics and edge case tweaks. Routes are generated from existing resources (Google Maps, etc). Much effort is devoted to avoiding other vehicles and pedestrians. Much of the rules are based off of U.S. traffic rules, such as speed limits, stop signs, traffic signals, and lane markings.

They both share technology (computer vision, momentum/traction control), but I conjecture the bulk of the work for commercial autonomous driving was not related to the DARPA challenge and wasn't paid by its grants.

<comment><USER32> That was true for the first two Grand Challenges, but once that prize was claimed DARPA simply cranked up the difficulty level; the 2007 race was all about navigation in urban environments, and compliance with traffic laws was a condition of success.

Sure, of course you're right that "the bulk of the work" is not related. But it's also no secret that the "sudden spike in interest in this technology" lucker referred to above happened because the US government paid for it to happen, as a means of advancing military vehicle automation technology.

</comment></comment></comment></comment><comment><USER34> Will a Self-Driving Car be available for ride service by the end of 2018? [http://www.metaculus.com/questions/181/will-a-self- driving-c...](http://www.metaculus.com/questions/181/will-a-self-driving-car- be-available-for-ride-service-by-the-end-of-2018/)

</comment><comment><USER35> > "a blade architecture, a whole bunch of CPUs and GPUs that we can swap out > under there," though he wouldn't speak to who's supplying those components > specifically.

Does anyone have more info or speculation on the tech stack sitting in the trunk?

<comment><USER36> I think it might be Nvidia - [http://www.forbes.com/sites/aarontilley/2016/08/22/nvidia- un...](http://www.forbes.com/sites/aarontilley/2016/08/22/nvidia-unveils-new- processor-for-its-self-driving-car-supercomputer/#47c8fc686339)

</comment></comment><comment><USER37> Is this a voluntary thing? Do I get a discount to sit in those? I would at the very least want to know in advance that an autonomous car is going to pick me up so if I want I can reject it if I want to and not waste time.

<comment><USER38> They sent an email this morning saying you will be notified that it is an autonomous vehicle, you have the option to cancel, and prices are the same.

</comment></comment><comment><USER39> One thing that's still not clear to me is how autonomous these truly are. There's still a human in the driver's seat, but how much intervention is required from them?

</comment><comment><USER4> Does anybody know what the chance of getting a self driving car is? I could try to use uberX instead of pool for a while, if there's a sufficient chance of getting one.

</comment><comment><USER40> There is an amazing amount of hand waiving and conjecture in this discussion.

<comment><USER41> Your comment is very dismissive and hand-wavy. What do you think your conjecture has contributed to the discussion?

</comment></comment><comment><USER42> I have more expectation about self drive Bus and Trucks than cars.

</comment><comment><USER43> No thanks.

</comment><comment><USER44> and never letting them go.</comment>


New Bitcoin gaming site? - <AUTHOR>

We love primedice and just-dice and were inspired to do something in the same arena.
So ... we've recently completed a new gambling site that is almost ready for release. What's the best way to get the name out there and get some players on the site? Obviously we don't want to piss people off with unsolicited postings and spam but still want to get the word out as widely as possible.
We're a little different because the action takes place against other players rather than against the house so pot size can vary dramatically from round to round. It's a little more social and hopefully a little more fun.
Thanks in advance! <comment> bulte-rs Don't forget to drop the name here. You've got me interested at least ;-)

</comment><comment><USER2> Bitcointalk.org ?</comment>


How will users feel about advertising in CAPTCHAs? - <AUTHOR> http://www.techvibes.com/blog/nucaptcha-adds-ads-to-their-video-captcha

<comment><USER2> I'll leave such site or at least will not pass as a human.

</comment><comment><USER3> On it's own I probably would tolerate it. But, I wonder about a secondary effect of providing incentive for websites to log me out to increase ad revenue.</comment>


Why are browsers so stupid? - <AUTHOR>

Why can't my browser handle www.example..com ? Is it pedagogical, teaching me to type correctly? <comment><USER2> It's not your browser's main focus to fix spelling mistakes. Even then, they've come a long way. I remember Netscape 4 not being able to handle "news.bbc.co.uk" due to lack of "www." in there. You had to manually add "<http://> in front of it.

</comment><comment><AUTHOR> A friend replied in private mail: "Because it is not a valid host name (e.g <http://www.ietf.org/rfc/rfc952.txt>). My browser searches on an Internet search engine whatever I enter in the address field that is not a valid host name. I think that is a pretty good way of handling it. What does your browser do?"

</comment><comment><USER3> Why are you so stupid?

<comment><AUTHOR> It's evolutionary, will get worse :)</comment></comment>


UK Police Orders Registrars to Suspend Domains of Major Torrent Sites - <AUTHOR> http://torrentfreak.com/uk-police-orders-registrars-to-suspend-domains-of-major-torrent-sites-131009/

<comment><USER2> Wait, how is UK taking down .com domains? Are these registrars registered in UK as businesses? But even then this method sounds very suspicious. Can the UK government suspend Google.com, if Google's registrar is based in UK, too?</comment>